From jmyepes at mac.com Tue Jun 1 04:21:46 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275337661211-2237801.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275380506796-2238165.post@n4.nabble.com> Let's try :) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2238165.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From simon at asato-media.com Tue Jun 1 05:14:18 2010 From: simon at asato-media.com (As_Simon) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Troubles downloading .eps files Message-ID: <1275383658814-2238213.post@n4.nabble.com> Hello List, I have used rev to download thousands of files without much trouble until I came across some .eps files. The download starts and then stops only after I have downloaded a portion of the file. The result is empty or "downloaded" depending on which method I use. This error is very repeatable but twice out of about 60 attempts I did manage to get the file. I have downloaded consecutively dozens of files of less than or greater file size from the same server and network but only the .eps fails, I don't believe it's a network problem. I can see that the socket is still open and the file is still downloading but since rev thinks it's done the rest of the file goes???? Using FireFox I can download the complete file without an error. Looking at the .eps file the common thing I see is that it was saved as an .eps from Photoshop (but not sure that has anything to do with it). Thanks for any help you can provide. Regards, Simon -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Troubles-downloading-eps-files-tp2238213p2238213.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Tue Jun 1 05:26:50 2010 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:26:50 +0200 Subject: Download queue with libURL In-Reply-To: <20100531170004.D9D54288369@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100531170004.D9D54288369@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <2285C3B1-769A-44F9-89D3-20D5E794BB94@de-mare.nl> Hi Mark, I'm afraid that is not true. I tried it without queue and it worked for very small files. If the file is small enough, the upload is done on time. Also, when debugging, the script is running slow enough to finish downloading. But when I'm just running it and it has to download a bunch of JPGs of 125kb each, I only have the last one. That was the only one that had enough time to finish. So I apparently need this queue approach to solve this. And the variable contains the right data because it does the first one. However, it doesn't call the script like it should. No wachtrij message is sent. I'm puzzled... Terry Op 31-mei-2010, om 19:00 heeft use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com het volgende geschreven: > Hi Terry, > > You don't need to do this. LibURL can do this by itself. Just issue > the upload and download commands right-away. > > Does item 3 of line 1 of kjoejoe contain a file path? (It should). > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > On 31 mei 2010, at 13:28, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > >> I can't figure out what is wrong with this script: >> >> on wachtrij >> global kjoejoe >> if line 1 of kjoejoe <> "" then >> put line 1 of kjoejoe && the number of lines of kjoejoe >> set the itemdel to tab >> switch item 1 of line 1 of kjoejoe >> case "up" >> libURLftpUploadFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 >> of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" >> break >> case "down" >> libURLDownloadToFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 >> of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" >> end switch >> delete line 1 of kjoejoe >> end if >> end wachtrij >> >> >> The global variable 'kjoejoe' contains the prober data, because the >> first line gets processed as expected. But then, after >> libURLDownloadToFile or libURLftpUploadFile is done, it should call >> this command again until kjoejoe is empty. And that isn't happening. >> Why not? >> >> Terry From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 06:10:13 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:10:13 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post: Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90 XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are between the guide lines. The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become larger and so go over the guide lines. To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show the correct font, albeit at the wrong size. Hope that illustrates the problem. -- Nicolas Cueto From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 06:27:57 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:27:57 +1000 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: >> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests > > Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post: > > Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J > Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES > > XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90 > XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA > > The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are > between the guide lines. > > The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become > larger and so go over the guide lines. The XP images seem more jagged than the Vista ones. I wonder are the monitors set to different DPI? Not that this should make any difference to the overall effect. Cheers, Sarah From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Jun 1 07:22:44 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:22:44 +1000 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could you do a spot of preliminary 'image analysis' on a field containing a standard lowercase letter. By programatically moving the mouse (I guess you can do this with the cursor hidden) and querying the mouseColor you could determine the actual height of the character on the target platform and adjust the distance between the two lines accordingly. There's sure to be an easier way. Terry... On 1/06/10 8:10 PM, "Nicolas Cueto" wrote: >> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests > > Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post: > > Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J > Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES > > XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90 > XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA > > The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are > between the guide lines. > > The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become > larger and so go over the guide lines. > > To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a > script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show > the correct font, albeit at the wrong size. > > Hope that illustrates the problem. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Jun 1 08:40:54 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:40:54 -0400 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: References: <20100529170004.43DEA2880C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <67186B23-0FEC-42AD-9A86-2FE31FE0EA96@mangomultimedia.com> On May 29, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: > This is becoming an interesting survey about who actually reads > instructions and who just assumes the way things are... I had a graphics teacher in high school that became so fed up with students not reading instructions (and thus wasting materials) that he began puttingspecial instructions at the top of every test. The instructions spelled out how you should take the test, which questions to answer, etc. If you didn't read them you definitely wouldn't pass. I've been an instruction reader ever since :-) A favorite quote: "If all else fails?Please! Follow instructions." -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From rjb at robelko.com Tue Jun 1 08:38:10 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:38:10 +0200 Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 31.05.10 at 10:50 -0700 JosepM apparently wrote: >Nop. My solution was store the entire document and search and replace before >to build the document, and then out as PDF using Quartam PDF Library and >Quartam Reports, but also you can print from a card. > If you need to just print, producing PDF files might be a way to go. Using RTF works as well. I used RTF documents as templates to produce Word docs. Basically, I created a full blown, properly formatted Word doc as template, then replaced variable elements with tokens, in my case things like [title], [description]. Rev stack read RTF directly into a variable and replaced the tokens, then saved new file. One needs to use RTF commands for marking new paragraphs, styles, and code non-English characters. I even used to produce Word table with varying numbers of rows by marking a repeating code for row in RTF and replicating it as many times as needed. Some sleuthing required, though, to decipher blocks in RTF. Robert From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Jun 1 08:45:43 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:45:43 -0400 Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 29, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Anyone have a good example of how to make a group that scrolls (like > the > data grid)? I haven't seen anything in the User's Guide or on the > RunRev > site - although I could have missed it. This lesson shows how to use a group to scroll large images. http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/11788-How-do-I-scroll-a-card-that-is-taller-or-wider-than-the-window- -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Jun 1 08:49:02 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:49:02 -0400 Subject: Behaviors handlers not found when re-opening stacks In-Reply-To: <2B1CD2AC-5C99-4957-915A-5F7702BD99C8@inria.fr> References: <2B1CD2AC-5C99-4957-915A-5F7702BD99C8@inria.fr> Message-ID: <4958554A-EE4E-4EA6-8736-220FD430BB9C@mangomultimedia.com> On May 31, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > But > If I save and close these 2 stacks when I reopen them that does not > work anymore (I get a "can"t find handler" error, and in tRev, the > tab of the group's script opens up with some empty lines in it !!!??) http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8280 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Jun 1 09:38:18 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:38:18 -0400 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <4C0400C4.6060307@fourthworld.com> References: <4C0400C4.6060307@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I agree with both Andre and Richards responses to these issues brought up in this excellent thread. One of the things Peter brought up was about the idea of having to buy a 3d party add on to get expected functionality out of the Rev IDE. Andre and Richards responses were right on/spot on about this. But, Peter mentioned the editor as one of these and I agree with him that the internal editor is too flaky (thanks Andre) and as a result of too many crashes related to the built-in editor have had to buy tRev/switch to tRev in order to get some of my latest projects out the door. I would rather have 'chosen' to use tRev because of its great features (of which it has many, many great features), than having 'had' to use it because the internal editor just doesn't work well enough for professional development. I think Peter's inclusion of the Editor points to a real problem and to the impressions that he points out. I think this impression is accurate only in the case of the built-in editor which, I hope, will be fixed in the next release. The other Rev-Select Add-ons fall into the 'really great enhancements to RunRev' category and do not necessarily fall into the 'need to make up for something that should work but doesn't ' in RunRev category. I think the more important thing to learn here is what some of the current impressions of RR are and why. How RR is perceived (especially by new comers to the world of RR) should help point us/RR to the areas that need the most improvement. Great thread, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 From niggemann at uni-wh.de Tue Jun 1 10:37:08 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> Nicolas, I liked the idea of a scrolling field and gave it a try. I tested on Mac with Safari and Firefox, on Windows XP with Firexfox and Internet Explorerer 6. It worked. Under MacOS X 10.6.x with the scrollwheel or the trackpad the system gives a "iPhone" like scrolling, not with Firefox though. You might want to have a look at it as revlet: http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/scrollfield/ as a zipped stack: http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/scrollfieldstack/ regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/never-ending-scroll-tp2232507p2238596.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Jun 1 11:26:47 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:26:47 +0200 Subject: Behaviors handlers not found when re-opening stacks In-Reply-To: <4958554A-EE4E-4EA6-8736-220FD430BB9C@mangomultimedia.com> References: <2B1CD2AC-5C99-4957-915A-5F7702BD99C8@inria.fr> <4958554A-EE4E-4EA6-8736-220FD430BB9C@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: Le 1 juin 10 ? 14:49, Trevor DeVore a ?crit : > On May 31, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > >> But >> If I save and close these 2 stacks when I reopen them that does not >> work anymore (I get a "can"t find handler" error, and in tRev, the >> tab of the group's script opens up with some empty lines in it !!!??) > > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8280 > OK, (I am working with rev 4.0). I will try 4.5 dp3 Thank you much for your attention and your answer Trevor Andr? From bobs at twft.com Tue Jun 1 12:29:41 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:29:41 -0700 Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: This is exactly what I am working on, more for importing a foreign database that backing up, but it could be used for both. Unfortunately I am in the early alpha stages, so I don't have much to offer you, except that I have a card where you enter the connection information for 2 databases, which then connects to them and reads the database schema. After that there are 2 phases: Table links and column links. Once you set those up, you click the go button and it will import just the tables and columns you selected from the second database into the first. One of the features is that it will add tables and columns that do not already exist in the first database for you. Very handy. But as I said I am writing it really as an import/merge from a Spiceworks database so I can get all the devices collected by Spiceworks networks scanner into my own database where I can handle software licenses and other resources associated with the device the way I want them handled. Still, the techniques I use are very much along the lines of what you describe. Bob On May 31, 2010, at 11:35 AM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I need to create and backup mySQL database from Rev. I have created the > database, so only I need to run the schema, but I have no clear what can be > the best solution for. > > Any experience? > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237715.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue Jun 1 12:51:57 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:51:57 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> References: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: The word "bootstrap" comes to mind. Microsoft tipped because they got into the market at it's infancy and lots of investors were inspired and saw an opportunity for returns on their investments. Later the Macintosh OS was able to tip because they were a unique way of going at the computer experience that promised, again, new markets for people heretofore unwilling or incapable of grasping computer interfaces. And also they shipped several usable apps bundled with the device to get them going, until other developers got up to speed. Linux strikes me as an OS that hit the market too late to tip the scales, and with no real incentive for new developers to invest money into an OS whose reputation was "the OS where you could get free stuff". I think that Open Source, while a great and very successful approach in terms of community, works contrary to itself in that developers do not want to invest in a market where people who charge for software are rather resented. I know I am going to get lots of responses from all the Linux people. I apologize in advance. But if my opinion is worth anything, I would say let Runrev focus on IDE's and engines for OS'es with a demonstrable hold on existing markets. Bob On May 31, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Currently, Linux is at the pre-tipping-point stage characterized by this catch-22 as a key contributing factor: end-users want more apps on Linux before they switch, and developers want to see more end-users on Linux before they deploy. From bobs at twft.com Tue Jun 1 13:05:57 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:05:57 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: References: <4C0400C4.6060307@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I get the impression that Jerry likes the built in editor just fine the way it is. ;-) Let's face it, Revolution is an odd duck. It really is. A most amazing, magical, useful and inspiring duck, but still odd. What other paradigm in the software development world is like Revolution? It's BECAUSE it's not Java or C++ or ObjectiveC or even Pascual that I can use it. But some of it's edges are unpolished. Still, it's come a long way from where it was when I first got ahold of it, and one of the reasons I pony up each year, and recently for 5 years in advance, is because I see it as an investment. So long as revolution thrives and continues to become even just a little bit better, I will be a happy camper. I can actually write useful apps with this thing!! Given my lack of patience, and the time needed to write a really professional looking app, Revolution feels like it was made just for me. I don't mind then a few feathers out of place here and there, especially since others like Jerry and Trevor and so many others that don't get as much credit as they deserve, are doing a bit of preening on our beloved duck. I rather like the whole crazy odd little setup we have going here. Bob On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I would rather have 'chosen' to use tRev because of its great features (of which it has many, many great features), than having 'had' to use it because the internal editor just doesn't work well enough for professional development. I think Peter's inclusion of the Editor points to a real problem and to the impressions that he points out. From effendi at wanadoo.fr Tue Jun 1 13:13:18 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:13:18 +0200 Subject: Cross-Platform Fonts Message-ID: <4B50FC7C-F40C-40CC-8CF9-466010EB5409@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Thanks Jacqueline, > I have some notes about it here: > All you ever wanted to know about Cross-Platform "Fonts", but were afraid to ask ! -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" From pete at mollysrevenge.com Tue Jun 1 13:24:10 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:24:10 -0700 Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <20100601170005.91AB9288115@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100601170005.91AB9288115@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I've been trying to figure out how to use an RTF document as a template using pretty much this same methodology. The problem I ran into is that sometimes, for reasons I don;t understand, the token names I put into the document get interspersed with RTF commands, so something that looks like "[myToken]" when displayed in Word ends up looking like "[mytoken]". That stops my search for tokens dead in it's tracks. Another method I've tried is to set up a Word document with merge fields in it and have my application write out a comma delimited file that is the source for the merge data. That works well if you have a predictable number of lines you want to print, not so good for variable number of lines. Right now, I've settled on writing out html code from templates that are defined within my Application. I have some conventions to deal with "repeating lines". For example, if I was printing an invoice, I'd define one html line in the format of an invoice line and its definition would include a code that tells me I need to repeat that line for each invoice line I'm printing. That works quite well although so far I haven't figured out how to deal with printing a heading at the top of each page. I guess I should break down and spend some money on a real report writer, especially since all my data is stored in an sqlite database but it's a fun challenge to figure this stuff out sometimes! Pete Haworth On Jun 1, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:38:10 +0200 > From: Robert Brenstein > Subject: Re: RTF documents as templates > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > On 31.05.10 at 10:50 -0700 JosepM apparently wrote: >> Nop. My solution was store the entire document and search and >> replace before >> to build the document, and then out as PDF using Quartam PDF >> Library and >> Quartam Reports, but also you can print from a card. >> > > If you need to just print, producing PDF files might be a way to go. > Using RTF works as well. I used RTF documents as templates to produce > Word docs. Basically, I created a full blown, properly formatted Word > doc as template, then replaced variable elements with tokens, in my > case things like [title], [description]. Rev stack read RTF directly > into a variable and replaced the tokens, then saved new file. One > needs to use RTF commands for marking new paragraphs, styles, and > code non-English characters. I even used to produce Word table with > varying numbers of rows by marking a repeating code for row in RTF > and replicating it as many times as needed. Some sleuthing required, > though, to decipher blocks in RTF. > > Robert From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jun 1 13:38:04 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:38:04 -0500 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: References: <4C0400C4.6060307@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C05457C.5080105@hyperactivesw.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > Let's face it, Revolution is an odd duck. It really is. A most > amazing, magical, useful and inspiring duck, but still odd. Ugly ducklings are really swans. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jun 1 13:40:49 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:40:49 -0500 Subject: Cross-Platform Fonts In-Reply-To: <4B50FC7C-F40C-40CC-8CF9-466010EB5409@wanadoo.fr> References: <4B50FC7C-F40C-40CC-8CF9-466010EB5409@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <4C054621.2070003@hyperactivesw.com> Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Thanks Jacqueline, > >> I have some notes about it here: > >> > > All you ever wanted to know about Cross-Platform > "Fonts", but were afraid to ask ! :) But like I said, it's out of date. The info is just a collection of things previously mentioned on the list here, so if anyone has newer info about more modern OS font implementations, I'll add it to the document. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Jun 1 13:44:42 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:44:42 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: References: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <439201C11ED0441A8ED57B52E4C331AA@GATEWAY> > Linux strikes me as an OS that hit the market too late to tip > the scales, and with no real incentive for new developers to > invest money into an OS whose reputation was "the OS where > you could get free stuff". I think that Open Source, while a > great and very successful approach in terms of community, > works contrary to itself in that developers do not want to > invest in a market where people who charge for software are > rather resented. > > I know I am going to get lots of responses from all the Linux > people. I apologize in advance. But if my opinion is worth > anything, I would say let Runrev focus on IDE's and engines > for OS'es with a demonstrable hold on existing markets. Linux as a "market" is still evolving - I don't think tipping works the same way with it, and that in itself is a frustration to those who were banking that it would. Linux absolutely has a place, and there are many ways to make money off of it. I just think making money from Linux requires a different sort of focus than what many are used to. As a desktop OS, its coming along at its own pace and Ubuntu is looking better and better. In fact, I think Android in the market will help Linux, too, because it demonstrates that there are alternatives to Mac OS and Windows. Runrev cannot drop Linux without seriously damaging the promise of cross platform development, and that would reduce overall sales. Ive sold a lot of software over my 20 odd years in the industry. One phenomenon I am aware of is the Mac Mirage. For example, in some markets, you'll see a jump in the sales of Windows products if there is a Mac version available too. The number of units of Mac product sold may be significantly less than Windows, but there are Windows units sold BECAUSE there is Mac version. The absense of the Mac version would reduce sales; looking at overall sales then means the Mac version deserves more consideration than just looking at the number of units sold. I think if anyone is looking solely at Linux IDE (as in Rev Studio for Linux) sales, then they would be missing the point. There are a lot of free tools for developing on Linux, and that makes it very challenging to sell IDEs on Linux. A different sort of sales model could be built around a RevServer/On-Rev. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Jun 1 13:48:28 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:48:28 +0200 Subject: How to launch an app invisible? Message-ID: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> Sorry, I know this must have been asked a couple of times, but I didn't got the right search terms for the archives. I want to build a tiny launcher app to launch another app and quits afterwards, without any notice for the user, so that he doesn't even knows of its existence. Technically everything is easy, beside I don't get the launcher totally invisible. I tried it with setting the stack property invisible. Hiding the stack at startup, setting the topleft to -1000,-1000 at startup, getting rid of every title controls, BUT whatever I try, a "window frame" (which is much larger as the stack size) blinks up for a moment, before the launcher disappears. It's just a nice to have, but I am sure there must be an easy solution. Thank you Tiemo From massung at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 13:54:37 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:54:37 -0500 Subject: How to launch an app invisible? In-Reply-To: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> References: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> Message-ID: Untested, but could you just put this in the first card of the main stack: on preOpenStack if the environment is not "development" then hide this stack end if end preOpenStack Jeff M. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Jun 1 13:57:46 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:57:46 +0200 Subject: How to launch an app invisible? In-Reply-To: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> References: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> Message-ID: <69814098-81D8-4DDC-A597-3A208441CEA0@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Tiemo, I found the following on the internet somewhere, I think it was the AppleScript newsgroup. > - Open de application package to see its contents. > - open the Contents folder > - Open the file "info.plist" in a text editor and add the following > two lines inside the > outermost tags: > NSBGOnly > 1 > Example: > > [lots o' XML, possibly including > other nested tags] > NSBGOnly > 1 > > The following two lines should also work: > NSUIElement > 1 > but the latter solution hasn't been confirmed. If you tried it, let > us know. This applies to Mac OS X only. I think (guess) that hiding the window suffices on Windows. More info in the archives at http://qurl.tk/bn -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 1 jun 2010, at 19:48, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Sorry, I know this must have been asked a couple of times, but I > didn't got > the right search terms for the archives. > > I want to build a tiny launcher app to launch another app and quits > afterwards, without any notice for the user, so that he doesn't even > knows > of its existence. > > Technically everything is easy, beside I don't get the launcher > totally > invisible. I tried it with setting the stack property invisible. > Hiding the > stack at startup, setting the topleft to -1000,-1000 at startup, > getting rid > of every title controls, BUT whatever I try, a "window frame" (which > is much > larger as the stack size) blinks up for a moment, before the launcher > disappears. It's just a nice to have, but I am sure there must be an > easy > solution. > > Thank you > > Tiemo From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Jun 1 14:02:09 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:02:09 -0700 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How are you positioning the guidelines? Can you use the formattedRect property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: >> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests > > Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post: > > Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J > Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES > > XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90 > XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA > > The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are > between the guide lines. > > The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become > larger and so go over the guide lines. > > To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a > script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show > the correct font, albeit at the wrong size. > > Hope that illustrates the problem. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Jun 1 14:07:15 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:07:15 +0200 Subject: AW: How to launch an app invisible? In-Reply-To: <69814098-81D8-4DDC-A597-3A208441CEA0@economy-x-talk.com> References: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> <69814098-81D8-4DDC-A597-3A208441CEA0@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <005401cb01b5$44daa800$ce8ff800$@de> Hi Jeff and Mark, I forgot to say that the target platform is Win. I tried Jeffs approach first without result. But because of your quick replies I started thinking if my ghost-windows perhaps doesn't comes from my rev launcher, but from the other (non-rev) app, I want to launch... I think have to dig in that direction Thank you for your replies Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Juni 2010 19:58 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: How to launch an app invisible? > > Hi Tiemo, > > I found the following on the internet somewhere, I think it was the > AppleScript newsgroup. > > > - Open de application package to see its contents. > > - open the Contents folder > > - Open the file "info.plist" in a text editor and add the following > > two lines inside the > > outermost tags: > > NSBGOnly > > 1 > > Example: > > > > [lots o' XML, possibly including > > other nested tags] > > NSBGOnly > > 1 > > > > The following two lines should also work: > > NSUIElement > > 1 > > but the latter solution hasn't been confirmed. If you tried it, let > > us know. > > This applies to Mac OS X only. I think (guess) that hiding the window > suffices on Windows. > > More info in the archives at http://qurl.tk/bn > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 1 jun 2010, at 19:48, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Sorry, I know this must have been asked a couple of times, but I > > didn't got > > the right search terms for the archives. > > > > I want to build a tiny launcher app to launch another app and quits > > afterwards, without any notice for the user, so that he doesn't even > > knows > > of its existence. > > > > Technically everything is easy, beside I don't get the launcher > > totally > > invisible. I tried it with setting the stack property invisible. > > Hiding the > > stack at startup, setting the topleft to -1000,-1000 at startup, > > getting rid > > of every title controls, BUT whatever I try, a "window frame" (which > > is much > > larger as the stack size) blinks up for a moment, before the launcher > > disappears. It's just a nice to have, but I am sure there must be an > > easy > > solution. > > > > Thank you > > > > Tiemo > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Jun 1 14:21:40 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:21:40 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows Message-ID: Another big shift: http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From alex at a2technology.com Tue Jun 1 14:43:46 2010 From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:43:46 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow! -- Alex Adams hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 alex at a2technology.com hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com universalConnector.wordpress.com > From: stephen barncard > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:21:40 -0700 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows > > Another big shift: > > http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From nealk3nc at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 15:11:30 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:11:30 -0400 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would be just a tad skeptical of a story sourced by a guy that works for Google. Based on what I know, they couldn't possibly purge all PCs out of their shop. BTW I heard from the mouth of the AT&T CIO that they were purging PCs because of security concerns and going to a linux desktop, It was at a software security meeting in DC. The next speaker was the Chief Security Officer of Microsoft! All he could say was "Its going to get better". Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Alex Adams wrote: > Wow! > -- > Alex Adams > > hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems > > (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. > 831-726-8013 > alex at a2technology.com > hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com > universalConnector.wordpress.com > > > > From: stephen barncard > > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:21:40 -0700 > > To: How to use Revolution > > Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows > > > > Another big shift: > > > > http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows > > > > -- > > ------------------------- > > Stephen Barncard > > San Francisco > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Jun 1 15:16:27 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275419787218-2239058.post@n4.nabble.com> Tinkering with the demo version of wordLib. It seems wordLib enters it into the field as HTMLText. This should make searching and replacing very easy, no? But i've noticed the formatting doesn't stay exact on the import. The alignments are off on even the sample documents. Is there anyway to prevent this I wonder? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2239058.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Jun 1 16:37:37 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:37:37 +1000 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/06/10 4:02 AM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > How are you positioning the guidelines? Can you use the formattedRect > property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions? I think that would give you the same height value irrespective of the font or case your using. Terry... > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > >>> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests >> >> Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post: >> >> Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J >> Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES >> >> XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90 >> XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA >> >> The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are >> between the guide lines. >> >> The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become >> larger and so go over the guide lines. >> >> To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a >> script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show >> the correct font, albeit at the wrong size. >> >> Hope that illustrates the problem. >> >> -- >> Nicolas Cueto >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 18:10:13 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:10:13 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > How are you positioning the guidelines? The guidelines don't get positioned each time. I positioned them once during initial development and that's it. In more detail, I put the text in the field, drew the two lines, then manually nudged the lines until they looked in the right place, and finally locked their positions. > Can you use the formattedRect > property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions? Didn't know about that property. I'll try. > Could you do a spot of preliminary 'image analysis' Thanks Terry, but that's way beyond what I'm up to. -- Nicolas Cueto From bobs at twft.com Tue Jun 1 18:38:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:38:53 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488CFBAF-4FAB-446E-B521-9C376EF43573@twft.com> HAAH HAAH AHAHAHAH HAHA A! I remember when a bunch of pot smoking hippies were dreaming of a world without borders. They are all politicians in California and the Fed Govt now. Wonder how that dream is working out for them? ;-) Bob On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > Another big shift: > > http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Jun 1 19:10:33 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:10:33 +1000 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you were prepared to set the height of the 'tramlines' dynamically then you could use the following function to return the appropriate value based on the true height of a visible lowercase z of the relevant font and size (the test character must be visible as the function relies on the mouseColor). Watch out for line wraps. Terry... put the formattedRect of [chunk expression for target character] into tRect put zHeight(tRect) into tHeight -- insert some routine to separate the 'tramlines' by tHeight function zHeight pRect put the mouseLoc into tM put round((item 1 of pRect + item 3 of pRect)/2) into tX put "" into tColorData lock screen repeat with i = (item 2 of pRect) to (item 4 of pRect) set the screenMouseLoc to globalLoc((tX,i)) put i&comma&mouseColor() &cr after tColorData end repeat filter tColorData with "*,0,0,0" -- black points only put (item 1 of line -1 of tColorData)-(item 1 of line 1 of tColorData)+2 set the screenMouseLoc to globalLoc(tM) unlock screen return ((item 1 of line -1 of tColorData)-(item 1 of line 1 of tColorData)+2) end zHeight On 2/06/10 8:10 AM, "Nicolas Cueto" wrote: >> How are you positioning the guidelines? > > The guidelines don't get positioned each time. I positioned them once > during initial development and that's it. > > In more detail, I put the text in the field, drew the two lines, then > manually nudged the lines until they looked in the right place, and > finally locked their positions. > > >> Can you use the formattedRect >> property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions? > > Didn't know about that property. I'll try. > > >> Could you do a spot of preliminary 'image analysis' > > Thanks Terry, but that's way beyond what I'm up to. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 20:35:29 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:35:29 -0500 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > I liked the idea of a scrolling field and gave it a try. I tested on Mac > with Safari and Firefox, on Windows XP with Firexfox and Internet Explorerer > 6. It worked. Under MacOS X 10.6.x with the scrollwheel or the trackpad the > system gives a "iPhone" like scrolling, not with Firefox though. That's some really nice work, Bernd! ...thanks for sharing. Best regards, David C. From mfstuart at cox.net Tue Jun 1 21:46:07 2010 From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:46:07 -0700 Subject: Single Record Updates Only??? Message-ID: on Fri May 28 18:45:35 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> If so, I am wondering if this is something that can be addressed in a future update, or if there is perhaps another way of doing this. << Hi Bob, Have you considered mySQL Stored Procedures to do what you want? It is possible. Here's a link to get you started: http://www.mysqltutorial.org/stored-procedures-parameters.aspx Regards, Mark Stuart From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 21:51:53 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:51:53 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, Won't have a chance to test your function right away but, it looks very promising. Thank you! Others have said it before. Without the generosity and patience of members here, Rev just wouldn't be what it is. Three cheers for the list! -- Nicolas Cueto From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Jun 1 21:52:08 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DataGrid Headers not showing. Message-ID: <1275443528218-2239509.post@n4.nabble.com> I recently redid the multiple datagrids that I have across several cards into one datagrid placed as a background. All of a sudden the datagrid headers disappear randomly. It happens when changing from card to card. I can get them back if I select the datagrid and push the Refresh Data Grid Button in the Property Inspector. Is there a way to prevent this from happening or a way to script the refresh of the datagrid on preOpenCard? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/DataGrid-Headers-not-showing-tp2239509p2239509.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 21:53:29 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:53:29 +0900 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bernd, Wow! Thank you so much. -- Nicolas Cueto From paulgabel at comcast.net Tue Jun 1 23:43:10 2010 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:43:10 -0700 Subject: dragDrop an image into a graphic rectangle Message-ID: <5410CA92-C869-46CE-94F9-1730BF258B41@comcast.net> Hello everyone: I need a little help on a script. I can dragDrop an image from the desktop into a field (the field containing a script like the one below), but I'd like to drag the image into a graphic rectangle, which is not handled automatically. The Dictionary says: "To accept drops to a locked field or a control other than a field, handle the dragDrop message, using the dragData property to determine what data is being dragged. For these objects, your dragDrop handler must get the dragged data and put it into the object (or perform whatever action you want to do on a drop); the behavior is not automated as it is for unlocked fields." I underlined the part that's giving me trouble. I'm not sure how to go about it. Can anyone give me an example script for that part of the handler? on dragDrop put the dragData["files"] into theFilePath import paint from file theFilePath set the name of the last image to "New Image" -- ????? end dragDrop Thanks, Paul Gabel From herz at ucsd.edu Tue Jun 1 23:53:14 2010 From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:53:14 -0700 Subject: HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said In-Reply-To: <20090713222617.AC71648A8E6@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090713222617.AC71648A8E6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4C05D5AA.8060203@ucsd.edu> Blog report on interview of Steve Jobs at D: All Things Digital, June 1, 2010 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20006442-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 at 6:31 in blog: HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said.. Jobs suggests it was bigger than Flash. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Jun 2 00:03:32 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:03:32 -0400 Subject: HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said In-Reply-To: <4C05D5AA.8060203@ucsd.edu> References: <20090713222617.AC71648A8E6@mail.runrev.com> <4C05D5AA.8060203@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: Unfortunately, Steve was making the point that Flash being big doesn't prove that it will live forever, after all, look at HyperCard. The blog I followed reported that the crowd laughed at his HyperCard comment. He also seems to be making the mistake that a lot of people have, thinking that Flash is only used for video, and that if Flash dropped to 50% of use for playing video, that means that all Flash usage has dropped to 50%. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jun 2 01:25:30 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:25:30 -0700 Subject: dragDrop an image into a graphic rectangle In-Reply-To: <5410CA92-C869-46CE-94F9-1730BF258B41@comcast.net> References: <5410CA92-C869-46CE-94F9-1730BF258B41@comcast.net> Message-ID: <126306290171.20100601222530@ahsoftware.net> Gabel- Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 8:43:10 PM, you wrote: > Hello everyone: > I need a little help on a script. I can dragDrop an image from > the desktop into a field (the field containing a script like the one > below), but I'd like to drag the image into a graphic rectangle, > which is not handled automatically. See if this helps... http://lessons.runrev.com/buckets/784/lessons/7124 -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Jun 2 02:51:45 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:51:45 +0200 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 Message-ID: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> see http://www.themacsale.com/ spread the word! Best, Fran?ois From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Jun 2 04:09:56 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275466196525-2239732.post@n4.nabble.com> David, thank you. Mind you that I "cheated" on the scroll. I used a transparent field to pick up the scroll. I did not do the "physics" of iPhone-like scrolling like momentum/decelleration. As a side effect/unwanted effect it also scrolls when you click in the right part of the field where the scrollbar of the transparent field is, then you also have a 'never ending scroll'. So there are some quirks. If my name were Malte Brill of Animation Engine fame I would have implemented that. :) At least the fields are relatively easy to adapt by setting the two hidden fields "fHourTemplate" and "fMinutesTemplate" to new data (like 24 hrs for example or roman numerals, if you are so inclined) :) regards Bernd David C. wrote: > >> I liked the idea of a scrolling field and gave it a try. I tested on Mac >> with Safari and Firefox, on Windows XP with Firexfox and Internet >> Explorerer >> 6. It worked. Under MacOS X 10.6.x with the scrollwheel or the trackpad >> the >> system gives a "iPhone" like scrolling, not with Firefox though. > > That's some really nice work, Bernd! > ...thanks for sharing. > > Best regards, > David C. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/never-ending-scroll-tp2232507p2239732.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Jun 2 04:12:34 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> <1275403028015-2238596.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275466354406-2239735.post@n4.nabble.com> Nicolas, you are welcome, it was a nice challenge. please see also my response to David C. regards Bernd Nicolas Cueto-4 wrote: > > Bernd, > > Wow! > > Thank you so much. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/never-ending-scroll-tp2232507p2239735.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From williamdesmet at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 05:00:35 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:00:35 +0200 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? Message-ID: Hi there, I notice quite some delay in opening cards in my new app on Win 7. On OSX all is fine (I asked before on the list). I click a button and nothing happens (so it seems). After some time the next card is shown. It is just a button with the most simple script: go cd "start_2x2". In the end it will be an app with about 100 cards in it I think so the delay can take a while? For now I came up with the following, so the user has some visual feedback. *on* mouseUp *unlock* cursor *set* cursor to watch *lock* cursor *wait* 7 sec *go* cd "start_2x2" *end* mouseUp The 7 sec is just my idea and it can take much longer. Is there another way to do this? I want the 'wait' to be an exact time (after the wait the next card opens). Thanks in advance. greetings, William From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Jun 2 05:30:38 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:30:38 +0200 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William, The wait command in your script just adds another delay, because RunRev is completely blocked while waiting. If you add "with messages" to the command, you'll give the engine a chance to do its thing while your script waits. I don't think this will make much of a difference, except that going to the next card will always take more than 7 seconds. I have had the same problem several times, too. I wonder whether it has something to do with QuickTime. Getting the QTVersion in the preOpenStack handler will load QT before the first card shows. Maybe this moves the delay to the startup time of your programme/stack. Setting the dontUseQT to true doesn't load QT at all, which might take away the delay completely. I might be all wrong about this, but I'm curious whether it makes any difference. Do any scripts run when cd "start_2x2" opens? P.S. There's also http://runrev.info/rrforum -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 2 jun 2010, at 11:00, William de Smet wrote: > Hi there, > > I notice quite some delay in opening cards in my new app on Win 7. > On OSX > all is fine (I asked before on the list). > I click a button and nothing happens (so it seems). After some time > the next > card is shown. > It is just a button with the most simple script: go cd "start_2x2". > > In the end it will be an app with about 100 cards in it I think so > the delay > can take a while? > For now I came up with the following, so the user has some visual > feedback. > > *on* mouseUp > > *unlock* cursor > > *set* cursor to watch > > *lock* cursor > > *wait* 7 sec > > *go* cd "start_2x2" > > *end* mouseUp > > The 7 sec is just my idea and it can take much longer. > Is there another way to do this? I want the 'wait' to be an exact time > (after the wait the next card opens). > > Thanks in advance. > > greetings, > > William From kee at kagi.com Wed Jun 2 05:47:41 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:47:41 -0700 Subject: revServer ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Took the survey and saw mention of revServer. Not something I am familiar with. When I go to the RunRev web site and search for revServer it appears there are tutorials but no product information. None of the web site menus list revServer as a product. Is revServer an unreleased product? Or is it functionality in the enterprise edition that I can have IT install on some of our production servers? Are there docs on how to use it? Lynn's question asking for a CGI version said that it is an Apache module which is exactly what I want. Pointers to docs and downloads would be most welcome. Kee From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Jun 2 06:04:21 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:04:21 +0100 Subject: revServer ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I remember, revServer is the name for the planned version of On-Rev that can be installed on your own server. In other words, not a shipping product at this time. Ian On 2 Jun 2010, at 10:47, Kee Nethery wrote: > Took the survey and saw mention of revServer. Not something I am familiar with. When I go to the RunRev web site and search for revServer it appears there are tutorials but no product information. None of the web site menus list revServer as a product. > > Is revServer an unreleased product? Or is it functionality in the enterprise edition that I can have IT install on some of our production servers? > > Are there docs on how to use it? Lynn's question asking for a CGI version said that it is an Apache module which is exactly what I want. > > Pointers to docs and downloads would be most welcome. > > Kee > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 06:13:00 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:13:00 +1000 Subject: revServer ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Kee Nethery wrote: > Took the survey and saw mention of revServer. Not something I am familiar with. When I go to the RunRev web site and search for revServer it appears there are tutorials but no product information. None of the web site menus list revServer as a product. > > Is revServer an unreleased product? Or is it functionality in the enterprise edition that I can have IT install on some of our production servers? > > Are there docs on how to use it? Lynn's question asking for a CGI version said that it is an Apache module which is exactly what I want. > > Pointers to docs and downloads would be most welcome. At the moment only available through a subscription to On-Rev. Docs are limited, though you get a read me if you sign up. Basically it's like PHP as it provides server-side scripting. There are a couple of lessons on revServer at the RunRev lessons site. I have some examples at the On-Rev section of my site: Cheers, Sarah From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Jun 2 07:28:01 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:28:01 -0400 Subject: DataGrid Headers not showing. In-Reply-To: <1275443528218-2239509.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275443528218-2239509.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <014DB99A-7DE2-419F-9AD6-D47123870B4C@mangomultimedia.com> On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I recently redid the multiple datagrids that I have across several > cards into > one datagrid placed as a background. All of a sudden the datagrid > headers > disappear randomly. It happens when changing from card to card. I > can get > them back if I select the datagrid and push the Refresh Data Grid > Button in > the Property Inspector. > > Is there a way to prevent this from happening or a way to script the > refresh > of the datagrid on preOpenCard? I've never tried sharing a data grid across cards in a group so I'm not sure what might be going on. You could try dispatching "RefreshList" or "ResetList" in preopencard. http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7344-Data-Grid-API -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 08:04:11 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:04:11 -0400 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> If this is true, I suspect that those of us who are Mac users will soon have to start worrying about viruses in a way we never have had to -- this will create a juicy target for hackers who have up to now focused on the low-hanging fruit of the Windows system. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:21 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Another big shift: > > http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 08:18:39 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:18:39 +0800 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> References: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well IMO Steve's decision to upset a community full of developers is more likely to get the virus makers hard at work. The reference article doesn't make sense, as far as I'm aware the Chinese hacking was directed against the Google Servers and more particularly the personal accounts of Google users, and the Google servers run Linux. This is completely separate to the Windows desktops that Oliver Office worker might be running. Tomorrow, when the Chinese hackers wake up, they'll again be hacking Google's Linux. On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > If this is true, I suspect that those of us who are Mac users will soon > have to start worrying about viruses in a way we never have had to -- this > will create a juicy target for hackers who have up to now focused on the > low-hanging fruit of the Windows system. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > > On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:21 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > > Another big shift: >> >> http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows >> >> -- >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> San Francisco >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 2 08:46:03 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:46:03 -0300 Subject: revServer ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kee, RevServer is a new product, it is an engine for creating web apps not unlike php. It is easier to use than old Rev CGI system since you can mix HTML and RevTalk. It also includes an include command so that you can organize and share your code in text files instead of stacks which is a boon. Right now, RevServer is only available at the On-Rev.com service but it will be released to the rest of the world someday. Cheers andre On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Kee Nethery wrote: > > Took the survey and saw mention of revServer. Not something I am familiar > with. When I go to the RunRev web site and search for revServer it appears > there are tutorials but no product information. None of the web site menus > list revServer as a product. > > > > Is revServer an unreleased product? Or is it functionality in the > enterprise edition that I can have IT install on some of our production > servers? > > > > Are there docs on how to use it? Lynn's question asking for a CGI version > said that it is an Apache module which is exactly what I want. > > > > Pointers to docs and downloads would be most welcome. > > At the moment only available through a subscription to On-Rev. > Docs are limited, though you get a read me if you sign up. Basically > it's like PHP as it provides server-side scripting. > There are a couple of lessons on revServer at the RunRev lessons site. > > I have some examples at the On-Rev section of my site: > > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From williamdesmet at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 09:32:29 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:32:29 +0200 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I just used 'if the platform is "Win32" then set the dontUseQT to true' on preOpenStack Tested it on WinXP (Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz with 500 MB RAM) and I noticed a little difference in speed. Without the script there is a little delay but not as much as on Windows 7. Will test that as soon as possible as well as with Windows Vista. I will keep you informed. What if the system is 64bit? Do I replace 32 with 64 in the script? Thanks again! greetings, William 2010/6/2 Mark Schonewille > Hi William, > > The wait command in your script just adds another delay, because RunRev is > completely blocked while waiting. If you add "with messages" to the command, > you'll give the engine a chance to do its thing while your script waits. I > don't think this will make much of a difference, except that going to the > next card will always take more than 7 seconds. > > I have had the same problem several times, too. I wonder whether it has > something to do with QuickTime. Getting the QTVersion in the preOpenStack > handler will load QT before the first card shows. Maybe this moves the delay > to the startup time of your programme/stack. Setting the dontUseQT to true > doesn't load QT at all, which might take away the delay completely. I might > be all wrong about this, but I'm curious whether it makes any difference. > > Do any scripts run when cd "start_2x2" opens? > > P.S. There's also http://runrev.info/rrforum > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share > the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > > On 2 jun 2010, at 11:00, William de Smet wrote: > > Hi there, >> >> I notice quite some delay in opening cards in my new app on Win 7. On OSX >> all is fine (I asked before on the list). >> I click a button and nothing happens (so it seems). After some time the >> next >> card is shown. >> It is just a button with the most simple script: go cd "start_2x2". >> >> In the end it will be an app with about 100 cards in it I think so the >> delay >> can take a while? >> For now I came up with the following, so the user has some visual >> feedback. >> >> *on* mouseUp >> >> *unlock* cursor >> >> *set* cursor to watch >> >> *lock* cursor >> >> *wait* 7 sec >> >> *go* cd "start_2x2" >> >> *end* mouseUp >> >> The 7 sec is just my idea and it can take much longer. >> Is there another way to do this? I want the 'wait' to be an exact time >> (after the wait the next card opens). >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> greetings, >> >> William >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Jun 2 09:47:32 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:47:32 -0700 Subject: revServer ? Message-ID: <4C0660F4.1090702@fourthworld.com> Kee Nethery wrote: > Is revServer an unreleased product? Or is it functionality in the > enterprise edition that I can have IT install on some of our > production servers? > > Are there docs on how to use it? Lynn's question asking for a CGI > version said that it is an Apache module which is exactly what I > want. If you need an Apache module specifically, RevServer won't do what you need. I have yet to get a clear answer as to what exactly it is, but it's not an Apache module. Behaviorally it's very similar to the very-capable-and-highly-underrated CGI engine you can use right now. Neither the CGI engine nor RevServer are stay-resident processes; both terminate when your script is done. After reading Andre's comments here about FastCGI (which can be configured on some servers to work with the Rev CGI engine) I've become more fond of the "old-fashioned" way the CGI currently works. :) Having discrete processes keeps things clean, and persistence can be provided with a data store. Both the RevServer engine at On-Rev.com and the Rev CGI engine will let you mix Rev statements and HTML. With the CGI you run your HTML template with your embedded function call placeholders through the engine's excellent merge function, and with On-Rev this is done automatically for you. If you review the merge function in the dictionary I think you'll find it quite tempting to play with. It was introduced to xTalk in SuperCard, back when they had a server-side engine called Flamethrower. Its adoption in MetaCard/Rev offers the same syntax and benefits it was originally designed for, profoundly useful on both servers and the desktop. The version of the merge function used in the On-Rev is a bit more flexible than the merge we have available to us in the engine we have now, but those differences are relatively minor, providing some helpful conveniences but very little that can't provide similar results through other means with the CGI engine. The big benefit to On-Rev is the real-time debugging. If you're doing serious CGI work that can be a godsend. But you may be surprised at how capable the little CGI engine is. Cookies, libURL, and of course all the beauty of chunk expressions -- all in your hands and installable on any server today. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From gefisher at mac.com Wed Jun 2 10:17:00 2010 From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:17:00 -0500 Subject: Problem with scrolling image Message-ID: <8694981C-0ACB-4B68-8500-C45B9FE9B1EE@mac.com> All, I have a group which contains a large jpg image (width=5760 height=2880 pixels). The grp has hscroll and vsroll bars. It works on MacOSX on a PPC & Intel. On Windows XP using Virtual PC on the PPC and VMShare on the Intel, the image does not show in the window. If I edit the group it shows up and when I stop editing group it disappears. Any Ideas what could be causing this? TIA, Glenn -- Glenn E. Fisher University of Houston - Retired 22402 Diane Dr. Spring, Tx 77373 gefisher at mac.com http://www.uh.edu/~fisher http://gefisher.comxa.com/gindex.html http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed Jun 2 10:22:45 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:22:45 -0700 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: Is this Rev 4? What is the difference between the free RevMedia version and this one if one is just developing private stacks for a classroom? (A teacher friend who is about to take the leap asked me and I'm still not sure). I did discover that RevStudio is not compatible with aspects of tRev, which is a bad thing because tRev is such a good thing. Thanks Mark On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > see > http://www.themacsale.com/ > spread the word! > > Best, > Fran?ois > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From williamdesmet at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 10:34:20 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:34:20 +0200 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <6C8DD705-3FB6-4D47-81E2-E7BBE65B81D7@gmail.com> Hi Mark, With the Studio version you can make standalones. The free version can't do this. Greetings, William ----- Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone! Op 2 jun 2010 om 16:22 heeft Mark Swindell het volgende geschreven:\ > Is this Rev 4? What is the difference between the free RevMedia > version and this one if one is just developing private stacks for a > classroom? (A teacher friend who is about to take the leap asked me > and I'm still not sure). I did discover that RevStudio is not > compatible with aspects of tRev, which is a bad thing because tRev > is such a good thing. > > Thanks > Mark > > On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > >> see >> http://www.themacsale.com/ >> spread the word! >> >> Best, >> Fran?ois >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed Jun 2 10:35:19 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:35:19 +0200 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <5369EA0B-9F7D-4DD3-B0D1-DB7AA5B35706@numericable.com> I use RevStudio with tRev and it is all right ! Ren? Le 2 juin 2010 ? 16:22, Mark Swindell a ?crit : > I did discover that RevStudio is not compatible with aspects of tRev From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Jun 2 10:52:23 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:52:23 +0100 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: On 2 Jun 2010, at 15:22, Mark Swindell wrote: > Is this Rev 4? What is the difference between the free RevMedia > version and this one if one is just developing private stacks for a > classroom? Apart from the ability to build standalones, revMedia doesn't include database access, externals or the datagrid. http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ > I did discover that RevStudio is not compatible with aspects of > tRev, which is a bad thing because tRev is such a good thing. I've seen no difference between revEnterprise & revStudio regarding tRev. Ian From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Jun 2 11:20:32 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DataGrid Headers not showing. In-Reply-To: <014DB99A-7DE2-419F-9AD6-D47123870B4C@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1275443528218-2239509.post@n4.nabble.com> <014DB99A-7DE2-419F-9AD6-D47123870B4C@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <1275492032580-2240321.post@n4.nabble.com> RefreshList did the trick! Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/DataGrid-Headers-not-showing-tp2239509p2240321.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dan at clearvisiontech.com Wed Jun 2 12:02:45 2010 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:02:45 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: <20100602090052.A0011288184@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100602090052.A0011288184@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hey... I am writing compressed XML data to file on a server using the put command. Every now and then, I get a report from a user that when they go to read the data, they are getting an error. When I look on the server, the file is gone! Not empty, not zero K... just gone - nonexistent! Let's assume for a moment that the file was there to begin with, and there is no one messing with the data and secretly deleting things. It must be something in my app that is causing this. But, what could it be? Nowhere am I deleting a file. Can anyone think of a way you could delete a file without actually deleting it? I tried: put compress("") into url x I thought that compressing "empty" might do something funny. But it didn't, it just wrote some gargly-goop. ANY thoughts out there?? Thank you in advance, Dan From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 2 12:11:30 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:11:30 -0300 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: I think revMedia should include externals and the data grid... :-/ On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 2 Jun 2010, at 15:22, Mark Swindell wrote: > > Is this Rev 4? What is the difference between the free RevMedia version >> and this one if one is just developing private stacks for a classroom? >> > > Apart from the ability to build standalones, revMedia doesn't include > database access, externals or the datagrid. > > http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ > > > I did discover that RevStudio is not compatible with aspects of tRev, >> which is a bad thing because tRev is such a good thing. >> > > I've seen no difference between revEnterprise & revStudio regarding tRev. > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 12:20:33 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:20:33 -0700 Subject: Single Record Updates Only??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark. Thanks for the link. It looks interesting. I was not aware that the Rev API could use stored procedures though. I will look into it. Bob On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > on Fri May 28 18:45:35 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> > If so, I am wondering if this is something that can be addressed in a future > update, or if there is perhaps another way of doing this. > << > > Hi Bob, > Have you considered mySQL Stored Procedures to do what you want? It is > possible. > Here's a link to get you started: > http://www.mysqltutorial.org/stored-procedures-parameters.aspx > > Regards, > Mark Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 12:35:31 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:35:31 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> References: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not to make a big deal of this, but it seems you are saying that heretofore, Mac users only were safe from viruses because we weren't a big enough target. While true, it is not the only reason. It is also true that it is much harder to propagate a virus on a Mac using the vast majority of methods known. All demonstrable exploits so far have been through components other than the core OS. As far as I know, the only real demonstrable exploit has been via drive-by downloads in a web browser. But I tread again on old soil. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 5:04 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > If this is true, I suspect that those of us who are Mac users will soon have to start worrying about viruses in a way we never have had to -- this will create a juicy target for hackers who have up to now focused on the low-hanging fruit of the Windows system. > > -- Peter From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jun 2 12:38:05 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:05 -0700 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <192346644859.20100602093805@ahsoftware.net> Fran?ois- Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 11:51:45 PM, you wrote: > see > http://www.themacsale.com/ > spread the word! My favorite thing about this is that if you use the right scroll arrow on the web page to scroll through the apps in the bundle, when you get to WebRemote you get RickRolled. ...but if anyone is still using RevMedia and hasn't made the move to Studio, just plunk down the fifty bucks and don't look back. Don't think about it, just do it. You can thank me later. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Jun 2 12:38:42 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:38:42 -0700 Subject: Problem with scrolling image In-Reply-To: <8694981C-0ACB-4B68-8500-C45B9FE9B1EE@mac.com> Message-ID: Recently, Glenn E. Fisher wrote: > I have a group which contains a large jpg image (width=5760 > height=2880 pixels). The grp has hscroll and vsroll bars. > > It works on MacOSX on a PPC & Intel. > > On Windows XP using Virtual PC on the PPC and VMShare on the Intel, > the image does not show in the window. If I edit the group it shows > up and when I stop editing group it disappears. > > Any Ideas what could be causing this? I seem to recall there might be a size limit for images (?). This could be a memory issue, but you could trying using narrower images and see if you run across a size threshold. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 12:38:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:53 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: References: <20100602090052.A0011288184@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1A9F9A45-15FF-4121-9D53-A1FD319E1491@twft.com> Too little information. I can think of at least one way: Volume Corruption. I can think of another way: File was not saved where you thought it was saved. Yet another way: User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Hey... > > I am writing compressed XML data to file on a server using the put command. Every now and then, I get a report from a user that when they go to read the data, they are getting an error. When I look on the server, the file is gone! Not empty, not zero K... just gone - nonexistent! > > Let's assume for a moment that the file was there to begin with, and there is no one messing with the data and secretly deleting things. It must be something in my app that is causing this. But, what could it be? Nowhere am I deleting a file. > > Can anyone think of a way you could delete a file without actually deleting it? > > I tried: > > put compress("") into url x > > I thought that compressing "empty" might do something funny. But it didn't, it just wrote some gargly-goop. > > > ANY thoughts out there?? > > Thank you in advance, > Dan_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 12:40:36 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:40:36 -0700 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: But then it would have to be called RevStudio Lite. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I think revMedia should include externals and the data grid... > > :-/ From rman at free.fr Wed Jun 2 12:41:39 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <1275496899673-2240450.post@n4.nabble.com> I agree on the ground that the (first) user experience should be simplified as much as possible. ; there already are so many traps... one should not expect the first time user to re-build the datagrid from scratch.. Now.. it's perhaps not so easy to deal with datagrids "full capacities" for instance.. so maybe a simplified limited version, just to do simple lists could do the trick? Thus leaving ground for enhancment if required. But something more to stumble upon. I suspect runrev is cooking some sort of revolution again in its offering and pricing.. maybe offering the full IDE, without limitation, for free and having people pay for a license to make standAlones on each platform as a supplement + subscription for on-rev !!?, who knows? it sounds quite rational to me... and potentially positive for the community... no? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RevSudio-on-sale-for-50-tp2239639p2240450.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 2 13:16:07 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:16:07 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> Message-ID: Autostart or Autoplay on volume insertion, whatever you call it has been a problem on Windows systems, and disabled on macs for years. That may be a big difference re: the viruses, along with the security notification on newly installed apps by default. McAffee is a virus, if you as me. For a long time mac user, dorking around with Windows, it keeps pestering me to buy "protection" and the method of removal is not immediately evident. Kinda like the old days in Chicago. On 2 June 2010 09:35, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Not to make a big deal of this, but it seems you are saying that > heretofore, Mac users only were safe from viruses because we weren't a big > enough target. While true, it is not the only reason. It is ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From dan at clearvisiontech.com Wed Jun 2 13:32:41 2010 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:32:41 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <43866219-F81D-4CE6-99C5-DA1ED58486F5@clearvisiontech.com> Bob, Thank you VERY much for the insight. I really need some help resolving this problem. However.... > Volume Corruption On one file only? I suppose that possible, but I think it's pretty unlikely. > File was not saved where you thought it was saved. Then why would the original file have been deleted? > User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. Again, why would the original file have been deleted? -Dan On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Too little information. I can think of at least one way: Volume Corruption. I can think of another way: File was not saved where you thought it was saved. Yet another way: User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. > > Bob > > > On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > >> Hey... >> >> I am writing compressed XML data to file on a server using the put command. Every now and then, I get a report from a user that when they go to read the data, they are getting an error. When I look on the server, the file is gone! Not empty, not zero K... just gone - nonexistent! >> >> Let's assume for a moment that the file was there to begin with, and there is no one messing with the data and secretly deleting things. It must be something in my app that is causing this. But, what could it be? Nowhere am I deleting a file. >> >> Can anyone think of a way you could delete a file without actually deleting it? >> >> I tried: >> >> put compress("") into url x >> >> I thought that compressing "empty" might do something funny. But it didn't, it just wrote some gargly-goop. >> >> >> ANY thoughts out there?? >> >> Thank you in advance, >> Dan From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Jun 2 13:37:33 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:37:33 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> > McAffee is a virus, if you as me. For a long time mac user, > dorking around with Windows, it keeps pestering me to buy > "protection" and the method of removal is not immediately > evident. Kinda like the old days in Chicago. I don't know how many times of AV Ive tried on Windows, but Kasparsky Labs is so much better than the others Ive tried. I do have a couple of computers using free AV and that seems to work well, but those machines aren't seeing a lot of heavy, every day use. Kasparsky has an army of Russian developers updating it. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 13:39:02 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:39:02 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: <012FDDC4-58C0-4F1B-8F18-AD7A0E48E626@gmail.com> Message-ID: Also, let's not forget ActiveX objects in a browser, Macro Objects in Office files (Office 2008 for Mac no longer supports VB scripts), and Microsoft's own "silent install feature". Great for Admins like me, hell once someone gets the Admin credentials tho. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:16 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > Autostart or Autoplay on volume insertion, whatever you call it has been a > problem on Windows systems, and disabled on macs for years. That may be a > big difference re: the viruses, along with the security notification on > newly installed apps by default. > > McAffee is a virus, if you as me. For a long time mac user, dorking around > with Windows, it keeps pestering me to buy "protection" and the method of > removal is not immediately evident. Kinda like the old days in Chicago. > > On 2 June 2010 09:35, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Not to make a big deal of this, but it seems you are saying that >> heretofore, Mac users only were safe from viruses because we weren't a big >> enough target. While true, it is not the only reason. It is > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 13:41:45 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:41:45 -0500 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: > see > http://www.themacsale.com/ > spread the word! Hummm..... I wonder if there is a restriction on what platform is available for that price? Would be awesome if I could grab the Linux version instead of the Mac. ;) Best regards, David C. From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 13:47:31 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:47:31 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: <43866219-F81D-4CE6-99C5-DA1ED58486F5@clearvisiontech.com> References: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> <43866219-F81D-4CE6-99C5-DA1ED58486F5@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: After reading a bit more of your original post, I think I understand that you are creating an XML file each time you do a PUT? If so, are you "PUTTING" to the same file name each time? If so, then if the command fails for some reason the file system would delete the original, and then the new file, having failed would never get to the server. It might be better to rename the original, "PUT" the new XML file, verify the existence of the file after "PUTTING" it, then delete the old one. I'm curious why you are using this command and not the low level file commands: open file read from file write to file close file Bear in mind I'm not an expert on low level file commands. I am simply curious about your method. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Bob, > > Thank you VERY much for the insight. I really need some help resolving this problem. However.... > >> Volume Corruption > > On one file only? I suppose that possible, but I think it's pretty unlikely. > >> File was not saved where you thought it was saved. > > Then why would the original file have been deleted? > >> User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. > > Again, why would the original file have been deleted? > > > -Dan > > > > > > On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> Too little information. I can think of at least one way: Volume Corruption. I can think of another way: File was not saved where you thought it was saved. Yet another way: User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: >> >>> Hey... >>> >>> I am writing compressed XML data to file on a server using the put command. Every now and then, I get a report from a user that when they go to read the data, they are getting an error. When I look on the server, the file is gone! Not empty, not zero K... just gone - nonexistent! >>> >>> Let's assume for a moment that the file was there to begin with, and there is no one messing with the data and secretly deleting things. It must be something in my app that is causing this. But, what could it be? Nowhere am I deleting a file. >>> >>> Can anyone think of a way you could delete a file without actually deleting it? >>> >>> I tried: >>> >>> put compress("") into url x >>> >>> I thought that compressing "empty" might do something funny. But it didn't, it just wrote some gargly-goop. >>> >>> >>> ANY thoughts out there?? >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> Dan > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Jun 2 13:54:45 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:54:45 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files Message-ID: <4C069AE5.4040707@fourthworld.com> Dan Friedman wrote: >> File was not saved where you thought it was saved. > > Then why would the original file have been deleted? > >> User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. > > Again, why would the original file have been deleted? libURL uses the STOR FTP command to post files. I know that when a file already exists at the specified location the new file will overwrite it, but I'm not clear on the exact sequence of actions it will use to do so. It may be that the original file is deleted by the FTP server immediately before the new file is written, and if that's the case there may be a problem with the FTP server in question or the data transfer to it which is allowing the first action (delete) to take place without being followed by the second (write). Your client-side logs from libURL won't be able to help you, but there may be some diagnostics that can be done by a tech on the server side to see those specifics. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Jun 2 13:55:44 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:55:44 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Recently, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > I don't know how many times of AV Ive tried on Windows, but Kasparsky Labs > is so much better than the others Ive tried. I do have a couple of computers > using free AV and that seems to work well, but those machines aren't seeing > a lot of heavy, every day use. Kasparsky has an army of Russian developers > updating it. One hundred rubles says an army of Russian virus writers is working in the office next door to Kasparsky, and they all take cigarette breaks together every morning. :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed Jun 2 14:13:09 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:13:09 -0700 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <45225873-4B7D-4E1D-8802-22C29F89A482@cruzio.com> I remember now. When I tried RevMedia with tRev there was a problem where tRev wouldn't access the scripts. Renaming RevMedia to Revolution solved that, and I mentioned it to Jerry. Sounds like he fixed it (which often seems to happen within minutes with him). Mark On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Ian Wood wrote: >> > > I've seen no difference between revEnterprise & revStudio regarding tRev. > > Ian > _______ From nealk3nc at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 14:40:08 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:40:08 -0400 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> Message-ID: If you go into the services applet under the Admin Tools control panel, you can disable the ActiveX installer (which I do on all computers). I sell computers specifically tuned for low latency in Software Defined Radios and the only AV I have found that doesn't eat up 20+% of your computer (and make SDR impossible) is Eset's NOD32. Its virtually invisible processing-wise. Cannot recommend it enough! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > > I don't know how many times of AV Ive tried on Windows, but Kasparsky > Labs > > is so much better than the others Ive tried. I do have a couple of > computers > > using free AV and that seems to work well, but those machines aren't > seeing > > a lot of heavy, every day use. Kasparsky has an army of Russian > developers > > updating it. > > One hundred rubles says an army of Russian virus writers is working in the > office next door to Kasparsky, and they all take cigarette breaks together > every morning. :-) > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From johnpatten at mac.com Wed Jun 2 15:37:32 2010 From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:37:32 -0700 Subject: Audio Playback in Linux is Clipped? Message-ID: <2E82BBF6-E723-4A7B-B137-46A378417CD9@mac.com> Hi All... I'm trying to track down why on Linux Rev is clipping the audio playback? On opening a stack and attempting to play recording from Rev, the first time through appears to layer pieces of the single recording on top of each other. Then on subsequent attempts to play the same recording it only plays the last few seconds of the audio. I created a sample stack and saved it to RevOnline. It is called "Linux Audio Test." It will record 10 seconds of audio using a shell script for aRecord and then use Rev's ability to play back the wav audio file. This was done on Unbuntu Netbook Remix (9.01) version. Not sure if the problem is my hardware or if it is the software, or my goofy authoring skills... If anybody could confirm that would be fantastic. If anybody has some tips that would be even better :-) Thank you! John Patten SUSD From effendi at wanadoo.fr Wed Jun 2 15:48:49 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:48:49 +0200 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? Message-ID: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, William, > What if the system is 64bit? Do I replace 32 with 64 in the script? All Windows systems return "Win32" from the "platform" command, including Windows 7 ! -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Jun 2 15:59:49 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:59:49 -0700 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? Message-ID: <4C06B835.1080109@fourthworld.com> Francis Nugent wrote: >> What if the system is 64bit? Do I replace 32 with 64 in the script? > > All Windows systems return "Win32" from the "platform" command, > including Windows 7 ! IIRC "the platform" will always return "Win32" on all Win systems, because Rev doesn't (yet) offer a 64-bit engine. However, if you need to differentiate processors I believe "the processor" will return a distinctive string for 64-bit. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From Ray at LinkIt.Com Wed Jun 2 19:35:51 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:35:51 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server Message-ID: <330F5DFF-9713-4D53-8DEA-48B52DD17D07@LinkIt.Com> Greetings, Anybody know how to do this? Thanks, Ray From kkaufman at snet.net Wed Jun 2 17:04:34 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:34 -0400 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows Message-ID: <21A1A30D-6F21-4927-ACF5-B83EE3246F19@snet.net> S.R.: "One hundred rubles says an army of Russian virus writers is working in the office next door to Kasparsky, and they all take cigarette breaks together every morning. :-)" LOL!!!!! Wasn't there someone who, years ago on the SC list, would occasionally spin fanciful tales of KGB and Stasi intrigue? Kurt From revdev at pdslabs.net Wed Jun 2 17:32:43 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:32:43 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: <21A1A30D-6F21-4927-ACF5-B83EE3246F19@snet.net> References: <21A1A30D-6F21-4927-ACF5-B83EE3246F19@snet.net> Message-ID: <4C06CDFB.8090902@pdslabs.net> The late Grant Schempel? (not sure about spelling) On 6/2/10 2:04 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > S.R.: > "One hundred rubles says an army of Russian virus writers is working in the > office next door to Kasparsky, and they all take cigarette breaks together > every morning. :-)" > > LOL!!!!! Wasn't there someone who, years ago on the SC list, would occasionally spin fanciful tales of KGB and Stasi intrigue? > > Kurt > -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Jun 2 17:37:20 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:37:20 +0200 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: <21A1A30D-6F21-4927-ACF5-B83EE3246F19@snet.net> References: <21A1A30D-6F21-4927-ACF5-B83EE3246F19@snet.net> Message-ID: Hi Kurt, > S.R.: > "One hundred rubles says an army of Russian virus writers is working in the > office next door to Kasparsky, and they all take cigarette breaks together > every morning. :-)" > > LOL!!!!! Wasn't there someone who, years ago on the SC list, would occasionally spin fanciful tales of KGB and Stasi intrigue? Yep, Ivan Aufulish (or whateveritwasspelled)! That was my first thought, too :-D > Kurt Bestz Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From kkaufman at snet.net Wed Jun 2 17:47:47 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:47:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows Message-ID: <67ABE414-5B90-4A56-9328-BD8408A8B495@snet.net> "The late Grant Schempel?" That was him. Ivan and all. From davidocoker at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 18:00:30 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:00:30 -0500 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: >> http://www.themacsale.com/ >> spread the word! > > Hummm..... I wonder if there is a restriction on what platform is > available for that price? > Would be awesome if I could grab the Linux version instead of the Mac. ;) I guess I'm losing it.... replying to my own list message. I emailed them about the platforms available at that awesome price and got a reply: >> Hi David, >> Sorry, it's the Mac version only... Foiled again! Hummm, if there any Rev marketing folks reading this, perhaps you might consider a special sale or alternate upgrade/add on pack on the Linux version for folks like myself, that already have one platform and only want one more. Upgrading to RevEnterprise is always an option of course, but I have no need for the extra "features" and even less of a need or desire for the Mac version. The studio to enterprise requires a pretty hefty upgrade fee for features and capabilities that I do not need or want. (Sorry about that to all of you Mac folks... no harm intended.) ;-) The really funny/crazy thing in all of this is that I originally purchased the old DreamCard version -> for Linux <- because that has been my preferred O/S for 6-7 years. After using DC for less than a week, I was sold on Rev completely and quicklyupgraded to Studio. Unfortunately, I got the Windows version because of all of the work I do for my employer. (windows based shop). These days I just keep sitting patiently on the sideline hoping for an eventual bargain so I can work in Linux. Best regards, David C. From dan at clearvisiontech.com Wed Jun 2 18:08:24 2010 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:08:24 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6C754766-5ED6-4C39-B404-6CAE0D8A0C2D@clearvisiontech.com> Bob, I am using the "put" because I am writing to a ftp web server. So I need to pass a username and password. How would I rename the file on a remote server? Also, how would you suggest I go about this? I could end up in a endless error check... rename the original file write the data if error then rename the original file back if error then then what? What do you think? -Dan > After reading a bit more of your original post, I think I understand that you are creating an XML file each time you do a PUT? If so, are you "PUTTING" to the same file name each time? If so, then if the command fails for some reason the file system would delete the original, and then the new file, having failed would never get to the server. It might be better to rename the original, "PUT" the new XML file, verify the existence of the file after "PUTTING" it, then delete the old one. > > I'm curious why you are using this command and not the low level file commands: > open file > read from file > write to file > close file > > Bear in mind I'm not an expert on low level file commands. I am simply curious about your method. > > Bob > > >> Thank you VERY much for the insight. I really need some help resolving this problem. However.... >> >>> Volume Corruption >> >> On one file only? I suppose that possible, but I think it's pretty unlikely. >> >>> File was not saved where you thought it was saved. >> >> Then why would the original file have been deleted? >> >>> User or app appears to have saved the file but in reality, didn't. >> >> Again, why would the original file have been deleted? From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 18:18:02 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:18:02 -0700 Subject: Filter command not working with tabs?? Message-ID: Hi all. I cannot see what I am doing wrong here. Try this yourselves. In the message box put: put "test" & tab & tab & return & \ "sw_" & tab & tab & return & \ "sw_test3" & tab & "<" & tab & return into theDropData put tab & tab into theFilter filter theDropData without theFilter put theDropData I get: test sw_ sw_test3 < NOTICE if you will, that lines 1 & 2 have 2 tabs together, and 3 does not. The filter command here should give me just line 3 shouldn't it?? Perhaps I do not understand the filter command or regular expressions very well, but the command reference seems to indicate that I should filter out all the lines that do not contain two tabs, but it is not doing this. It looks for all the world like the filter command is completely ignoring tabs in the expression! Bob From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jun 2 18:20:34 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:20:34 -0700 Subject: Filter command not working with tabs?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66367187812.20100602152034@ahsoftware.net> Bob- Try > filter theDropData without "*" & theFilter & "*" -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Jun 2 18:22:33 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 00:22:33 +0200 Subject: Filter command not working with tabs?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob, > filter theDropData without "*" & theFilter & "*" -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 3 jun 2010, at 00:18, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi all. I cannot see what I am doing wrong here. Try this > yourselves. In the message box put: > > put "test" & tab & tab & return & \ > "sw_" & tab & tab & return & \ > "sw_test3" & tab & "<" & tab & return into theDropData > put tab & tab into theFilter > filter theDropData without theFilter > put theDropData > > I get: > test > sw_ > sw_test3 < > > NOTICE if you will, that lines 1 & 2 have 2 tabs together, and 3 > does not. The filter command here should give me just line 3 > shouldn't it?? > > Perhaps I do not understand the filter command or regular > expressions very well, but the command reference seems to indicate > that I should filter out all the lines that do not contain two tabs, > but it is not doing this. It looks for all the world like the filter > command is completely ignoring tabs in the expression! > > Bob > From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 18:30:06 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:30:06 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: <6C754766-5ED6-4C39-B404-6CAE0D8A0C2D@clearvisiontech.com> References: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> <6C754766-5ED6-4C39-B404-6CAE0D8A0C2D@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: <3A4BA077-F035-4E29-BD74-6F8525CD4CCE@twft.com> Sorry Dan I missed the remote aspect of things. I was thinking you were on a local area network using a file share. I believe there are FTP commands to rename files. I'm not certain though. Assuming you can, it is doubtful an FTP server would allow the first file rename but not the second, should the new write fail. Also, doesn't the FTP server respond if there is an error with the command? I mean, you can never completely guarantee a remote site will still be there a split second later, but I think it would go more like this (pseudo wise): open connection check result if ok, see if file exists with same name as the one you are going to write if it does, rename the old file check the result if ok, write new file check the result if ok, delete renamed file if error anywhere either reconnect and try again, or bail out. At least you will have the renamed file sitting there in the odd circumstance that there was a disconnect. You can have a repeat loop that tries x number of times, that exits if everything works or the counter gets to x. And you would be able to tell if your SEND command was actually failing, because you would have a renamed file, but no new file. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Bob, > > I am using the "put" because I am writing to a ftp web server. So I need to pass a username and password. > > How would I rename the file on a remote server? Also, how would you suggest I go about this? I could end up in a endless error check... > > rename the original file > write the data > if error then > rename the original file back > if error then > then what? > > What do you think? > > -Dan From bobs at twft.com Wed Jun 2 18:31:08 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:31:08 -0700 Subject: Filter command not working with tabs?? In-Reply-To: <66367187812.20100602152034@ahsoftware.net> References: <66367187812.20100602152034@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <31B615B7-492E-495A-9B81-687BF968C5B3@twft.com> Dangit! I think I already asked this one a couple weeks ago! I remember now. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bob- > > Try > >> filter theDropData without "*" & theFilter & "*" > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 18:37:13 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:37:13 -0700 Subject: Filter command not working with tabs?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The filter command works on wildcards, not regex Your filter definition = keep lines that are not exactly "tabtab" You might be thinking put "*" & tab & tab & "*" into theFiliter = which means keep lines that do not have at least two tabs in sequence On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi all. I cannot see what I am doing wrong here. Try this > yourselves. In the message box put: > > put "test" & tab & tab & return & \ > "sw_" & tab & tab & return & \ > "sw_test3" & tab & "<" & tab & return into theDropData > put tab & tab into theFilter > filter theDropData without theFilter > put theDropData > > I get: > test > sw_ > sw_test3 < > > NOTICE if you will, that lines 1 & 2 have 2 tabs together, and 3 > does not. The filter command here should give me just line 3 > shouldn't it?? > > Perhaps I do not understand the filter command or regular > expressions very well, but the command reference seems to indicate > that I should filter out all the lines that do not contain two tabs, > but it is not doing this. It looks for all the world like the filter > command is completely ignoring tabs in the expression! > > Bob Jim Ault Las Vegas From niconiko at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:06:47 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:06:47 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, Have had a chance now to test your function on XP and Vista. It worked!! Plus, studying closely your code, learnt about some new Rev commands/functions. Again, thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Jun 2 19:10:08 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:10:08 +1000 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/06/10 9:06 AM, "Nicolas Cueto" wrote: > Terry, > > Have had a chance now to test your function on XP and Vista. It worked!! > > Plus, studying closely your code, learnt about some new Rev > commands/functions. > > Again, thank you. My pleasure - glad it helped. Terry... ? Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Jun 2 19:28:23 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:28:23 -0700 Subject: Deleted Files Message-ID: <4C06E917.7050107@fourthworld.com> Dan Friedman wrote: > How would I rename the file on a remote server? libURL does it's magic with FTP, and FTP does its magic with a set of commands available for the protocol, including two for renaming files: Thankfully, Dave Cragg opens the door to use any of them with the libURL call "libUrlFtpCommand" - e.g., to rename a file: get libUrlFtpCommand("RNFR mydomain.com/file.dat",\ "myserver.com","myFtpLogin","myPassword") get libUrlFtpCommand("RNTO mycomain.com/newname.dat",\ "myserver.com","myFtpLogin","myPassword") Wonderfully detailed notes on everything in libURL here: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Jun 3 00:21:14 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 00:21:14 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> Greetings, Anybody know how to do this? Thanks, Ray From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:45:08 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:45:08 +1000 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <330F5DFF-9713-4D53-8DEA-48B52DD17D07@LinkIt.Com> References: <330F5DFF-9713-4D53-8DEA-48B52DD17D07@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ray Horsley wrote: > Greetings, > > Anybody know how to do this? I think we need more information here.... What OS is running on the server and on your local computer? What sort of app do you need to start: a headless CGI type app, or a full application. I have used AppleScript on a Mac to operate on an AppleScript I installed on a networked Mac to stop & start a particular application. If that sounded useful, I could probably dig up the scripts, although it was a long time ago. Cheers, Sarah From niconiko at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:45:40 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:45:40 +0900 Subject: send problem Message-ID: Hello, In my stack's opencard handler the last line is "send mouseUp to field x" . There's other things happening in the handler before then, too. Problem is, after the stack opens, the message box appears, displays the word "exit", and field x's mouseUp doesn't run. But if I click on field x, then the mouseUp handler works. What have I overlooked? Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:49:42 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:49:42 +1000 Subject: send problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Hello, > > In my stack's opencard handler the last line is "send mouseUp to field > x" . There's other things happening in the handler before then, too. > > Problem is, after the stack opens, the message box appears, displays > the word "exit", and field x's mouseUp doesn't run. But if I click on > field x, then the mouseUp handler works. I seem to remember having problems like this in the past. The workaround is not to use a system event as the message you are sending. Change your field script so it has a separate handler. e.g. on mouseUp doMouseUpStuff end mouseUp command doMouseUpStuff -- put the script in here end doMouseUpStuff Then in your openCard handler, send "doMouseUpStuff" to the field instead of mouseUp. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 20:00:08 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:00:08 +1000 Subject: Download queue with libURL In-Reply-To: <48A1386D-F93C-4D31-9695-D8F7E31AFCAB@de-mare.nl> References: <48A1386D-F93C-4D31-9695-D8F7E31AFCAB@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > I can't figure out what is wrong with this script: > > on wachtrij > ? global kjoejoe > ? if line 1 of kjoejoe <> "" then > ? ? ?put line 1 of kjoejoe && the number of lines of kjoejoe > ? ? ?set the itemdel to tab > ? ? ?switch item 1 of line 1 of kjoejoe > ? ? ? ? case "up" > ? ? ? ? ? ?libURLftpUploadFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 of line 1 > of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" > ? ? ? ? ? ?break > ? ? ? ? case "down" > ? ? ? ? ? ?libURLDownloadToFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 of line > 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" > ? ? ?end switch > ? ? ?delete line 1 of kjoejoe > ? end if > end wachtrij I think the problem is that when you issue a call to libURLftpUploadFile or libURLDownloadToFile with a callback, the processing doesn't stop & wait. So I think all the uploads & downloads are trying to start at the same time, so the later ones are failing. I usually have 2 routines called something like startTransfer and transferComplete. startTransfer takes the first line in the queue and starts processing it, with transferComplete as the callback. transferComplete checks the result and it is all worked OK, it deletes the first line of the queue and then calls startTransfer again if the queue is not empty. Also check out libURLSetStatusCallback and libURLSetLogField which are both really useful for debugging and keeping people informed as to the progress or the file transfers. HTH, Sarah From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed Jun 2 20:03:07 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:03:07 -0500 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: <45225873-4B7D-4E1D-8802-22C29F89A482@cruzio.com> References: <53965D92-0C1A-4B95-8C2A-6A7AD22D61C3@mines-paristech.fr> <45225873-4B7D-4E1D-8802-22C29F89A482@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <0CCEBFFC-4F79-4E92-8827-86E69F57AD8B@me.com> Mark, tRev has been working with RevMedia for some time now. Didn't at first. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > When I tried RevMedia with tRev there was a problem where tRev > wouldn't access the scripts From niconiko at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 20:03:28 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:03:28 +0900 Subject: send problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Sarah. That worked. -- Nicolas Cueto From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 21:09:59 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:09:59 +0800 Subject: Deleted Files In-Reply-To: References: <20100602170004.AECB52881F3@mail.runrev.com> <43866219-F81D-4CE6-99C5-DA1ED58486F5@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > I'm curious why you are using this command and not the low level file > commands: > open file > read from file > write to file > close file > > Bear in mind I'm not an expert on low level file commands. I am simply > curious about your method. > > There could be two reasons. Firstly this Tip at the bottom of the Dictionary entries for the above 4 commands: Tip: As an alternative to the open file, read from file, and write to > filecommands, you can also use the URLkeyword with get, put, and other > commands to access the contents of a file. > Personally, if it's a Tip, it suggest to me that it's a better way to do something. My understanding by using 'put someData into URL " ftp://www.mySite.net' you avoid the need to open and close a file, plus, as mentioned, you get to work with servers. Additionally, you avoid this problem, as mentioned in the dictionary: Important: before opening any file for writing to, remember to back up the > file contents as Revolution will erase them even if you don't write to the > file after opening it. > Does seem important. From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Jun 3 08:14:39 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:14:39 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: References: <330F5DFF-9713-4D53-8DEA-48B52DD17D07@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: Sarah, Thanks for your input. It's a Windows server and I'm simply trying to launch a stand alone made with Rev. (I'm not sure how to build CGI's with Rev nor am I exactly sure how they differ.) The AppleScript idea probably won't work since it's a Windows server. I was thinking somebody might know of a shell command or something. Thanks, Ray On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ray Horsley wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Anybody know how to do this? > > > I think we need more information here.... > What OS is running on the server and on your local computer? > What sort of app do you need to start: a headless CGI type app, or a > full application. > > I have used AppleScript on a Mac to operate on an AppleScript I > installed on a networked Mac to stop & start a particular application. > If that sounded useful, I could probably dig up the scripts, although > it was a long time ago. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From williamdesmet at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 03:05:26 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:05:26 +0200 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? In-Reply-To: <4C06B835.1080109@fourthworld.com> References: <4C06B835.1080109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <6ADDF065-7D1B-4384-89B7-244691DF3FA1@gmail.com> Hi there all, Setting the 'dontuseQT' to true solves my problem on Win7. There is no delay anymore. It workes fine using Win32 aswell. Thanks Richard, Francis and Mark. Greetings (from a sunny Delft - Netherlands), William ----- Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone! Op 2 jun 2010 om 21:59 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:\ > Francis Nugent wrote: > >>> What if the system is 64bit? Do I replace 32 with 64 in the script? >> >> All Windows systems return "Win32" from the "platform" command, >> including Windows 7 ! > > IIRC "the platform" will always return "Win32" on all Win systems, > because Rev doesn't (yet) offer a 64-bit engine. > > However, if you need to differentiate processors I believe "the > processor" will return a distinctive string for 64-bit. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From henk at ludisstudio.com Thu Jun 3 03:37:57 2010 From: henk at ludisstudio.com (Henk van der Velden) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:37:57 +0200 Subject: send problem In-Reply-To: <20100602234534.364552882ED@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100602234534.364552882ED@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <70ABF84D-8F43-4052-AC48-44449088B82D@ludisstudio.com> Maybe put double quotes around 'mouseUp'? Henk On 03 Jun 2010, at 01:45, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > In my stack's opencard handler the last line is "send mouseUp to field > x" . There's other things happening in the handler before then, too. > > Problem is, after the stack opens, the message box appears, displays > the word "exit", and field x's mouseUp doesn't run. But if I click on > field x, then the mouseUp handler works. From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Thu Jun 3 06:13:39 2010 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:13:39 +0200 Subject: No callback from libURLDownloadToFile? Message-ID: <9E99AC40-96C1-4284-9A8F-7581E57C6400@de-mare.nl> Hi all, libURLDownloadToFile seems to ignore the callback message after finishing. I didn't hear a beep when putting this in the message box: libURLDownloadToFile "http://www.houdinis.net/TributePeggyLee.jpg", "~/ Desktop/9823.jpg", "beep" What did I do wrong? The file got downloaded, but the callback message wasn't sent. Bug maybe? Terry From gwolfgang at gaich.de Thu Jun 3 07:19:35 2010 From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G. Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:19:35 +0200 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: References: <330F5DFF-9713-4D53-8DEA-48B52DD17D07@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <4C078FC7.5010201@gaich.de> Ray, perhaps PsExec is your tool. You can find it at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897553.aspx HTH G. Wolfgang Am 03.06.2010 14:14, schrieb Ray Horsley: > Sarah, > > Thanks for your input. It's a Windows server and I'm simply trying to > launch a stand alone made with Rev. (I'm not sure how to build CGI's > with Rev nor am I exactly sure how they differ.) The AppleScript idea > probably won't work since it's a Windows server. I was thinking > somebody might know of a shell command or something. > > Thanks, > > Ray > > > On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ray Horsley wrote: >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Anybody know how to do this? >> >> >> I think we need more information here.... >> What OS is running on the server and on your local computer? >> What sort of app do you need to start: a headless CGI type app, or a >> full application. >> >> I have used AppleScript on a Mac to operate on an AppleScript I >> installed on a networked Mac to stop & start a particular application. >> If that sounded useful, I could probably dig up the scripts, although >> it was a long time ago. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 07:34:18 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:34:18 +1000 Subject: No callback from libURLDownloadToFile? In-Reply-To: <9E99AC40-96C1-4284-9A8F-7581E57C6400@de-mare.nl> References: <9E99AC40-96C1-4284-9A8F-7581E57C6400@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: beep is a command, not a message handler. Try making your own handler that beeps and I think it will work. Cheers, Sarah On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > Hi all, > > libURLDownloadToFile seems to ignore the callback message after finishing. I > didn't hear a beep when putting this in the message box: > libURLDownloadToFile "http://www.houdinis.net/TributePeggyLee.jpg", > "~/Desktop/9823.jpg", "beep" > > What did I do wrong? The file got downloaded, but the callback message > wasn't sent. Bug maybe? > > Terry > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Jun 3 13:58:17 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:58:17 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <4C078FC7.5010201@gaich.de> References: <330F5DFF-9713-4D53-8DEA-48B52DD17D07@LinkIt.Com> <4C078FC7.5010201@gaich.de> Message-ID: <41F1DDEB-63E8-4C36-9A01-9AA4606AC555@LinkIt.Com> Wolfgang, Thanks for the tip. This looks promising. I'll post something after I've had a chance to work with it some. Ray On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:19 AM, G. Wolfgang Gaich wrote: > Ray, > > perhaps PsExec is your tool. You can find it at > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897553.aspx > > HTH > > G. Wolfgang > > Am 03.06.2010 14:14, schrieb Ray Horsley: >> Sarah, >> >> Thanks for your input. It's a Windows server and I'm simply trying >> to launch a stand alone made with Rev. (I'm not sure how to build >> CGI's with Rev nor am I exactly sure how they differ.) The >> AppleScript idea probably won't work since it's a Windows server. >> I was thinking somebody might know of a shell command or something. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ray Horsley wrote: >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Anybody know how to do this? >>> >>> >>> I think we need more information here.... >>> What OS is running on the server and on your local computer? >>> What sort of app do you need to start: a headless CGI type app, or a >>> full application. >>> >>> I have used AppleScript on a Mac to operate on an AppleScript I >>> installed on a networked Mac to stop & start a particular >>> application. >>> If that sounded useful, I could probably dig up the scripts, >>> although >>> it was a long time ago. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Sarah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From crw at nosirrah.com Thu Jun 3 07:59:00 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:59:00 +1000 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 Message-ID: <6DC65FBC-237A-4C88-9510-EFA704467DFC@nosirrah.com> To get things straight, this is not RevStudio for $50: it is RevStudio plus nine other Mac apps for $50. This distinction will not affect the Win World, but it will the Mac users - some of the other apps are very well regarded. The nine apps have a combined recommended value of $250. Since the banner says "Ten apps for $500", it means RevStudio has been valued at $250 which is its normal runRev price. On this basis RevStudio is selling for $25, a discount of 90%. After some aggro in the early days, bundle sellers guarantee that all apps purchased are the full retail version with all rights and privileges accruing. As there is no restriction with RevStudio as to which platform you use, even though this sells as a Mac bundle,the buyer will be able to download any and all platform versions. All of this will probably not worry all the old hands one little bit. But as a new user who paid the full $250 just over two months ago, I am feeling a little PO'd. I am wondering if the company might consider substituting an upgrade to RevEnterprise for current RevStudio holders. On a less personal note, I am wondering how much this deal has been prompted by the recent iPad kerfuffle, and the problems that caused. Rev will get a major proportion of their income from this sale, from people who don't care about RevStudio, but will take it as a freebie with the other apps they do want. And I reckon this will be at least a 10K bundle. (Or am I just being cynical.) From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Jun 3 08:12:31 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:12:31 +0100 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, If you need it to happen at a certain time then you can use the Windows built-in Task Scheduler. Other than that there's always the Startup folder. It really depends on whether you need to call/run it to execute a specific function and then quit or have it running (Startup) and query it remotely. Cheers, Luis. On 03/06/2010 05:21, Ray Horsley wrote: > Greetings, > > Anybody know how to do this? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jun 3 08:38:41 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:38:41 +0200 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago, I made a very simple telnet server in Rev. You could take that telnet server and add whatever scripts your need to launch your apps. Look here for more info http://qurl.tk/bv . The result could be something very similar to PsExec but cross-platform and customisable. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > > > > On 03/06/2010 05:21, Ray Horsley wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Anybody know how to do this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Jun 3 15:58:58 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:58:58 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <740C663A-5D59-4AD4-A8A8-9145CBA8FD2C@LinkIt.Com> Luis, Thanks for your response. Actually, I need to do the launch itself from a Rev standalone. In other words, a script needs to launch the app, not a timer or startup. Any ideas? Thanks, Ray On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > If you need it to happen at a certain time then you can use the > Windows built-in Task Scheduler. Other than that there's always the > Startup folder. > > It really depends on whether you need to call/run it to execute a > specific function and then quit or have it running (Startup) and > query it remotely. > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 03/06/2010 05:21, Ray Horsley wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Anybody know how to do this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Jun 3 15:59:16 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:59:16 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <32EED0CC-497D-4150-9A6B-7E0A496482BC@LinkIt.Com> Very interesting Mark. Thanks! On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > Some time ago, I made a very simple telnet server in Rev. You could > take that telnet server and add whatever scripts your need to launch > your apps. Look here for more info http://qurl.tk/bv . The result > could be something very similar to PsExec but cross-platform and > customisable. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > >> >> >> >> >> On 03/06/2010 05:21, Ray Horsley wrote: >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Anybody know how to do this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jun 3 10:14:28 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:14:28 -0700 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? Message-ID: <4C07B8C4.3090401@fourthworld.com> William de Smet wrote: > Setting the 'dontuseQT' to true solves my problem on Win7. There is no > delay anymore. It workes fine using Win32 aswell. Does your app use player controls? If not then QT should never be loaded, and you have found a bug. If that's the case, please consider dropping a report into the RQCC: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jun 3 10:30:12 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:30:12 -0700 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 Message-ID: <4C07BC74.8090700@fourthworld.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > All of this will probably not worry all the old hands one little bit. > But as a new user who paid the full $250 just over two months ago, I > am feeling a little PO'd. Special promotional pricing is always problematic for that reason, with any product. That's why I tend to run promotions very seldom, and very carefully. And unlike a lot of vendors, I don't have a "Coupon Code" field on my purchase page, because all that tells the customer is that someone out there is getting a better price. Far better to just invest five minutes' time to make a separate page for a promotional purchase, but it seems few vendors bother to do that. A lot of the promotions I run are private offerings through channel partners to their customers via email or private web pages accessible only for their members. This allows us to offer our partners' customers really great prices without feeling resentful about not getting the same discount. But we also use MacZot at least annually, where they run absolutely killer specials where you can get apps for about half-off for 24 hours. When we run those we make far less from each sale than we do at our own store, but the boost to the installed base makes it worthwhile. Fortunately, it's been rare that our public promotions have resulted in disappointment for our customers who paid full price. On the one hand, this is no different from paying full price at a grocery store while the person in front of you has a half-off coupon, or being able to save thousands on a car purchase because you negotiate better than another customer. But even though this is a common occurrence across nearly all products in all industries, when a customer complains about pricing I'm inclined to try to find some way to make them feel better about their investment in our products. If you feel strongly about this it may not be a bad idea to voice your dissatisfaction with the vendor. The worst that can happen is that you'll still have paid no more for the product than the normal price, so it may be worth a minute to see what happens. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Jun 3 10:50:16 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:50:16 -0700 Subject: RevSudio on sale for $50 In-Reply-To: <4C07BC74.8090700@fourthworld.com> References: <4C07BC74.8090700@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > But we also use MacZot at least annually, where they run > absolutely killer specials where you can get apps for about > half-off for 24 hours. > > When we run those we make far less from each sale than we do > at our own store, but the boost to the installed base makes > it worthwhile. > > Fortunately, it's been rare that our public promotions have > resulted in disappointment for our customers who paid full > price. On the one hand, this is no different from paying > full price at a grocery store while the person in front of > you has a half-off coupon, or being able to save thousands on > a car purchase because you negotiate better than another customer. The nice thing about using a service like MacZot is that it gets customers onto your update/upgrade plan, usually in large batches. I ran a deal on MacZot a few weeks ago on Shade Designer for 50% off at $24.50, and the results were quite good. In running these types of campaigns, there are a few considerations - - Is there a good chance you'll get an upsell later? This can be on renewals or on upgrades. If you have a short initial renewal period and/or desireable higher levels, then it's a really good investment. For us, it was a really good for Shade Designer because the most popular version of Shade is Shade Standard, which is a $200 upgrade. - Do you get a cross sell opportunity? Once you sell to a customer, it is usually that much easier to sell them something else. When we sold Shade Designer, we had subsequent sales of content, including two 3D characters Hanako and Tully, each of which run for about $49. - Does the promotion cause long term devaluation of your product? This is a bit harder. If you keep your promotion term down to two weeks or less and the exposure narrowed to a specific group - probably no problem. If it is longer than this and, you also have sales channels, you can see some push back from those channels because they will begin to see a reduction in sales - this is where price protection issues come up. - Does your product require intensive support? If you have a product that requires a lot of support and you don't have a separate way to charge for it (or a way to keep your costs very low), then you are setting yourself up to lose. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Jun 3 11:01:32 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:01:32 -0700 Subject: Kevin's Article on the Top Page of CIO UK: Software industry is being damaged by Apple Message-ID: http://www.cio.co.uk/article/3225096/software-industry-is-being-damaged-by-a pple/ Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Jun 3 11:08:23 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:08:23 +0100 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <740C663A-5D59-4AD4-A8A8-9145CBA8FD2C@LinkIt.Com> References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> <740C663A-5D59-4AD4-A8A8-9145CBA8FD2C@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <4C07C567.40401@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, I don't know if the launch command works with a URL, and if it does, does it need the authentication details? Cheers, Luis. On 03/06/2010 20:58, Ray Horsley wrote: > Luis, > > Thanks for your response. Actually, I need to do the launch itself from > a Rev standalone. In other words, a script needs to launch the app, not > a timer or startup. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Luis wrote: > >> Hiya, >> >> If you need it to happen at a certain time then you can use the >> Windows built-in Task Scheduler. Other than that there's always the >> Startup folder. >> >> It really depends on whether you need to call/run it to execute a >> specific function and then quit or have it running (Startup) and query >> it remotely. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luis. >> >> >> On 03/06/2010 05:21, Ray Horsley wrote: >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Anybody know how to do this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Jun 3 17:34:26 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:34:26 -0400 Subject: Launch an app on a remote server In-Reply-To: <4C07C567.40401@anachreon.co.uk> References: <12D97C5896B1491FBC63C1C45D9B08AE@GATEWAY> <89EFC7DA-1947-4E37-9078-81CAEE33321D@LinkIt.Com> <4C079C2F.4000305@anachreon.co.uk> <740C663A-5D59-4AD4-A8A8-9145CBA8FD2C@LinkIt.Com> <4C07C567.40401@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: It seems like it should and that it would need authentication details, I just can'tfigure out the syntax. Thanks, Ray On Jun 3, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > I don't know if the launch command works with a URL, and if it does, > does it need the authentication details? > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 03/06/2010 20:58, Ray Horsley wrote: >> Luis, >> >> Thanks for your response. Actually, I need to do the launch itself >> from >> a Rev standalone. In other words, a script needs to launch the app, >> not >> a timer or startup. Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray >> >> On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Luis wrote: >> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> If you need it to happen at a certain time then you can use the >>> Windows built-in Task Scheduler. Other than that there's always the >>> Startup folder. >>> >>> It really depends on whether you need to call/run it to execute a >>> specific function and then quit or have it running (Startup) and >>> query >>> it remotely. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Luis. >>> >>> >>> On 03/06/2010 05:21, Ray Horsley wrote: >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Anybody know how to do this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From williamdesmet at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 11:50:30 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:50:30 +0200 Subject: Delay in opening the first card. How can I solve this? In-Reply-To: <4C07B8C4.3090401@fourthworld.com> References: <4C07B8C4.3090401@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, No I don't use player controls. I will report a bug then. greetings, William 2010/6/3 Richard Gaskin > William de Smet wrote: > >> Setting the 'dontuseQT' to true solves my problem on Win7. There is no >> delay anymore. It workes fine using Win32 aswell. >> > > Does your app use player controls? > > If not then QT should never be loaded, and you have found a bug. > > If that's the case, please consider dropping a report into the RQCC: > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Jun 3 11:54:25 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <4C05457C.5080105@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C0400C4.6060307@fourthworld.com> <4C05457C.5080105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: And the flip side of that is that, sometimes, things written using languages/environments perceived to be swans produce profoundly ugly ducklings: http://www.doubledivision.org/DoubleDivisionCalculator.html I offer the challenge of finding the third-grader who finds this sort of presumably Jobs-approved stuff compelling... :-p Judy On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Let's face it, Revolution is an odd duck. It really is. A most >> amazing, magical, useful and inspiring duck, but still odd. > > Ugly ducklings are really swans. From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Thu Jun 3 13:52:14 2010 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:52:14 +0200 Subject: No callback from libURLDownloadToFile? In-Reply-To: <20100603170005.6AAEC2883B0@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100603170005.6AAEC2883B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1B08E1EA-929C-48B4-B09F-54FA1AA3282A@de-mare.nl> That was very helpful. Thanks. Terry Op 3 jun 2010, om 19:00 heeft use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com het volgende geschreven: > beep is a command, not a message handler. > Try making your own handler that beeps and I think it will work. > > Cheers, > Sarah > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> libURLDownloadToFile seems to ignore the callback message after finishing. I >> didn't hear a beep when putting this in the message box: >> libURLDownloadToFile "http://www.houdinis.net/TributePeggyLee.jpg", >> "~/Desktop/9823.jpg", "beep" >> >> What did I do wrong? The file got downloaded, but the callback message >> wasn't sent. Bug maybe? >> >> Terry From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 13:54:59 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:54:59 +0300 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> Dear RunRev users, My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; which is gae queer as they mount under '9'. Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . . :( And here I am writing "love letters" on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM running Damn Small Linux! The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this direction? So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for at least a week. sincerely, Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Jun 3 14:00:03 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:00:03 -0500 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C07EDA3.2060503@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond wrote: > Dear RunRev users, > My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped > functioning. Over here in the US we say broken things "went south". So that's undoubtedly the problem, you've sent it the wrong direction. Swivel the machine 90 degrees to the north and it should start working again. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 14:47:58 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:47:58 +0300 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <4C07EDA3.2060503@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> <4C07EDA3.2060503@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4C07F8DE.7010704@gmail.com> On 06/03/2010 09:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Dear RunRev users, >> My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped >> functioning. > > Over here in the US we say broken things "went south". So that's > undoubtedly the problem, you've sent it the wrong direction. Swivel > the machine 90 degrees to the north and it should start working again. > Wouldn't it be lovely if everything were that simple. From rman at free.fr Thu Jun 3 15:07:04 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <439201C11ED0441A8ED57B52E4C331AA@GATEWAY> References: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> <439201C11ED0441A8ED57B52E4C331AA@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <1275592024561-2242187.post@n4.nabble.com> There seems to be a big change just around the corner. As I see it.. for linux & runrev TOGETHER yes : TOGETHER a) a bundle ready to install and b) an openSource ShellTalk command line interface to make it much more accessible to everybody, including grand-ma. How about that!? Ha and commands that.. hw to say that : match the people use rather than the computer needs (please, show today's new files, thanks ; please, change the rights of folder myfolder and all (its) files to categoryofRights, thanks) hint : that openSOurce ShellTalk would need to be driven though by an insitution, and it could be in the interest of runrev to do it, but keep it openSource. a) more and more people are educated.. and perhaps more linux capable. In particular, I personnaly would switch back to a very simple desktop with a command line system if a xTalk command line tool appears. Imagine a shell layer, that would understand english like commands, really polished and "evident", well documented and stream-lined to these 80% need... I found Andre Garzia contribution of the linux and runrev bundle distro great, great! I think a step further would be such a ShellTalk interface. This would solve the bigest problem of linux : all these distributions that rely on interface subtleties.. trying to implement some visual interfaces. A ShellTalk could allow to have a simpler core distro, which would not rely on sophisiticated interfaces... and in the end be so much more simple!? b) the netbook wave is putting forward the linux proposition, with the small thing running swiftly (how many netbooks run linux?) - there is a true actual need and nearly a demand? c) the de facto huge power of windows is being challenged, at least in the minds : google unplugging windows is a huge sign to businesses. Its the biggest business in the industry that says we want only unix (mac os and linux). d) the magic apple effect is getting challenged too in the minds. More and more people are concerned about being closed in, even in a really cool hotel. Having to pay 200 dollars a night.. just to see the curtains move in a progressive motion, like iPhones menus... does raise questions. I beleive Apple made a fantastic jump these recent years, but that might just not hold the next wave, beyond magic animation!? (did anybody make the common denominator between Apple and Disney etc??) e) android will definitely hit the spirits and most important launch an app store. So people will come to buy linux apps. f) the free world will be balanced, people will realize that it is ok to pay for things... but cheap, much cheaper than before. And that is the major apple store effect. Go for mass at reduced price. And linux could be the best potential platform for that. And that does not mean that many apps cannot be sold at a medium price in their niches. g) last, I wonder if and when a mjority of tech users will change focus and see computers as.. just simple tools.. and not magical promisses... that could change a lot and favor linux again (some realize they mostly use email, webbrowser and 2 or 3 tools..!). Someday more people will realize we do not need the funky animated stuff and that it sucks (our mind sometimes!) h) and this "awareness" when it reaches back, will bring in simple OS that respond to a kind of natural ShellTalk. Personnaly I'm working on one app where the interface is stripped off and which is driven by a dialog. Recently, Apple bought a personnal assistant web service that works just like that. And I do beleive that this will be the next chapter. And for that, runrev is well placed and that is why I chose it.. and a shellTalk unix thing would.. well : I'm ready to invest! smile.. What do you think? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/The-State-of-Rev-Was-Re-ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2237387p2242187.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Thu Jun 3 15:40:32 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:40:32 -0700 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> You can run a G4 under 10.5??? Bob On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote: > Dear RunRev users, > My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped > functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up > all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA > disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under > 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; which > is gae queer as they mount under '9'. > > Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . . :( > > And here I am writing "love letters" on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM > running Damn Small Linux! > > The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I > tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this > direction? > > So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for > at least a week. > > sincerely, Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu Jun 3 15:42:16 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:42:16 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <1275592024561-2242187.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> <439201C11ED0441A8ED57B52E4C331AA@GATEWAY> <1275592024561-2242187.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <17C98271-0EB2-42EC-81A0-E3504AD18349@twft.com> If I don't say "please" will it crash to desktop and send me to my memory partition without supper? Bob On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > There seems to be a big change just around the corner. As I see it.. for > linux & runrev TOGETHER > > yes : TOGETHER a) a bundle ready to install and b) an openSource > ShellTalk command line interface to make it much more accessible to > everybody, including grand-ma. How about that!? Ha and commands that.. hw to > say that : match the people use rather than the computer needs (please, show > today's new files, thanks ; please, change the rights of folder myfolder and > all (its) files to categoryofRights, thanks) From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Jun 3 15:54:14 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:54:14 -0700 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> Message-ID: <4C080866.2050505@comcast.net> I'm running a 2001 Titanium PowerBook (500 MHz) on 10.5 - I had to put the drive in another computer to install it though. I think if the processor is over 1Ghz the installer will work on a G4, but that's the end of the line as far as OS upgrades. Marty Knapp > You can run a G4 under 10.5??? > > Bob > > From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Jun 3 16:10:29 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:10:29 EDT Subject: No marked Message-ID: <3fdd.5b39a629.39396635@aol.com> In Rev, "marked" is a keyword but (no longer) a property. You cannot say "if the marked of cd 3 then doSoAndSo". You have to say "the mark of..." Just a small example of a difference with HC. Craig Newman From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jun 3 20:35:04 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:35:04 +0100 Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> Hi everyone, I have been struggling for weeks trying to get scrolling working as well. A while ago, I looked at the example quoted by Trevor below, and thought "Easy, - I can do that" WRONG! I simply can't get the scroll bars to appear at all reliably, even while building the stack in Browse mode in the editor. I am trying to cover for the user having a smaller screen than my app really needs, so automatically shrink the stack to acceptable size after checking. I have tried using a single item in a group as well as with the actual group of items that would need to be scrollable. Most of the time I just get a grey rectangle with nothing in it for both H and V bars. I have tried using lockLocation - doesn't seem to make any difference. Cut down bits of my code below - anything obviously wrong there? I also tried the example program: http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/advanced-custom-controls/ And it won't work at all for Vertical bars! I haven't spent any time trying to debug it yet, but it just does not display a vertical bar when selected. It just keeps the display of a horizontal bar and messes it up! What is everyone doing wrong? Is it just my OS or Rev version. I have tried Rev 3.5 and 4.0 both on OSX 10.5.8. I am just about to try on a Windows PC I hope someone can point out the obvious thing that I seem to be missing! Douglas on checkForScreenSize -- this app needs a window 630 wide by 865 approx (PLUS menus and Dock if on on OSX!) -- globals used gScrHeight, gScrWidth, gWinHeight, gWinWidth, gNeedWidth, gNeedHeight put 630 into gNeedWidth put 865 into gNeedHeight put item 3 of the screenRect into gScrWidth put item 4 of the screenRect into gScrHeight if (gScrHeight < 1000) then -- shrink the V size of stack to acceptable size for the monitor revChangeWindowSize 630,(gScrHeight -150) -- do something about scrollbars in here !!!!!!!!! SetScrollbarIfNeeded else revChangeWindowSize gNeedWidth,gNeedHeight -- ie full size window without scroll bars end if put the height of this card into gWinHeight put the width of this card into gWinWidth if gScrHeight < 1000 then answer error "This system really requires a screen display which has at least 1000 pixels vertically." \ & cr &"This screen is "&gScrWidth &"x"&gScrHeight& "."& cr &\ "It's OK, the window has been shrunk to fit and you will need to scroll it to get to all data fields." \ with "Sorry" end if end checkForScreenSize on SetScrollbarIfNeeded -- Note- this is just the START of this routine - Can't get bars to appear and incomplete anyway! -- use this to disable/enable Vertical scroll bar if needed for window size vs required stack size -- using a general group name of PageGroup for group containing EVERYTHING on card! if (gWinHeight < gNeedHeight ) then set the lockLocation of group "PageGroup" to true -- does it need to be unlocked again later???????? set the vScrollbar of group "PageGroup" to true set the vScroll of group "PageGroup" to 0 -- how-much it appears scrolled ( not at all at start!) -- Presumably still need to set size of scrollbar and also its offset! --(Calculate scrollsize based on amount of visible gWinHeight V gNeedHeight) else set the vScrollbar of group "PageGroup" to false end if end SetScrollbarIfNeeded On 01/06/2010 13:45, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On May 29, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: >> Anyone have a good example of how to make a group that scrolls (like the >> data grid)? I haven't seen anything in the User's Guide or on the RunRev >> site - although I could have missed it. > This lesson shows how to use a group to scroll large images. > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/11788-How-do-I-scroll-a-card-that-is-taller-or-wider-than-the-window- > > From massung at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 20:48:23 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:48:23 -0500 Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: Douglas, I still haven't gotten my group to scroll as well, but here's something I learned while trying that might help you out... Lock the size of the group. If the controls within the group are are being repositioned/resized by the geometry manager - or even by you - it will automatically adjust the size of the group to encompass all the controls within it, meaning your scrollbars will never appear. After moving all the controls have been updated, then resize/reposition the group. Actually, as I think about this maybe it was the group that you needed to resize/reposition first and then the controls. Anyway, order matters here! Try both. ;-) Jeff M. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Jun 3 22:58:20 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:58:20 -0300 Subject: [Maybe OT] Cryogen Erlang Editor Message-ID: Hey Jeff, Is that your erlang editor? http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Nitrogen_Editor_Movie.mov Is it built with Rev, it looks really good! Actually it looks great! Better than Revs own script editor... Congrats, if I ever take erlang for a walk, will sure check your editor when it is released. :D -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From massung at gmail.com Thu Jun 3 23:11:12 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:11:12 -0500 Subject: [Maybe OT] Cryogen Erlang Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andre, Thanks for the kind words. Yes, it is built with Rev. Took me a week to get it that far. I'm working on some new features and plan on putting up some new videos soon. Jeff M. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hey Jeff, > > Is that your erlang editor? > http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Nitrogen_Editor_Movie.mov > > Is it built with Rev, it looks really good! Actually it looks great! Better > than Revs own script editor... > > > Congrats, if I ever take erlang for a walk, will sure check your editor > when > it is released. > > :D > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jun 4 01:46:07 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:46:07 +0300 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> Message-ID: <4C08931F.8070601@gmail.com> On 06/03/2010 10:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > You can run a G4 under 10.5??? > YES! > Bob > > > On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote: > > >> Dear RunRev users, >> My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped >> functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up >> all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA >> disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under >> 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; which >> is gae queer as they mount under '9'. >> >> Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . . :( >> >> And here I am writing "love letters" on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM >> running Damn Small Linux! >> >> The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I >> tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this >> direction? >> >> So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for >> at least a week. >> >> sincerely, Richmond. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sundown at pacifier.com Fri Jun 4 02:49:52 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:49:52 -0700 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <4C08931F.8070601@gmail.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> <4C08931F.8070601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not all G4's can run 10.5. The older slower ones I don't think will run it. I have and old G4 400 AGP and if I am correct the latest OS X it can run is 10.4.11. i think the double mirror or what ever they are can run 10.5 since they have a much faster processor. -=>JB<=- On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/03/2010 10:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> You can run a G4 under 10.5??? >> > > YES! > >> Bob >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote: >> >> >>> Dear RunRev users, >>> My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped >>> functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up >>> all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA >>> disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't >>> mount under >>> 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being >>> repaired; which >>> is gae queer as they mount under '9'. >>> >>> Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . . :( >>> >>> And here I am writing "love letters" on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM >>> running Damn Small Linux! >>> >>> The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky >>> is that I >>> tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with >>> ideas in this >>> direction? >>> >>> So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my >>> direction for >>> at least a week. >>> >>> sincerely, Richmond. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From joef1 at mac.com Fri Jun 4 02:50:03 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:50:03 -0400 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <4C08931F.8070601@gmail.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> <4C08931F.8070601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C61F9D2-8A21-40AE-A77C-A8267FE25222@mac.com> I had 10.5 running on an old eMac. Ran pretty well too, for web surfing and the like. If you have 2 Macs a good way to go is to start the victim in Firewire Target mode, holding down the "t" at startup (or is it command-t?) On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/03/2010 10:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> You can run a G4 under 10.5??? >> > > YES! > >> Bob >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote: >> >> >>> Dear RunRev users, >>> My G4 Mac decided to "play silly bu**ers" on Monday and stopped >>> functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up >>> all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA >>> disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under >>> 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; which >>> is gae queer as they mount under '9'. >>> >>> Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . . :( >>> >>> And here I am writing "love letters" on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM >>> running Damn Small Linux! >>> >>> The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I >>> tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this >>> direction? >>> >>> So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for >>> at least a week. >>> >>> sincerely, Richmond. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Jun 4 04:06:55 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:06:55 +0200 Subject: AW: How to launch an app invisible? In-Reply-To: <005401cb01b5$44daa800$ce8ff800$@de> References: <004f01cb01b2$a4e245d0$eea6d170$@de> <69814098-81D8-4DDC-A597-3A208441CEA0@economy-x-talk.com> <005401cb01b5$44daa800$ce8ff800$@de> Message-ID: <001101cb03bc$e633a3b0$b29aeb10$@de> Hello, the flashing window is still there. My rev launcher app is hidden in preopenstack, the launched non-rev-app doesn't have that flashing window either. So I think it must be the Windows shell window, which blinks up for a moment. I put a lockscreen in the handler with the shell call without result. Probably because lockscreen has no effect on the shell. I used the same syntax before to call other apps and never had this flashing window, so I wonder what makes the difference and what I can do against a flashing shell? Any way to hide the shell before it pops up? Here is an extract of the code: on openStack set the lockscreen to true put appToLaunch into tStart put myTitel into tTitel get shell ("start" && quote & tTitel & quote && quote & tStart) set the lockscreen to false end openStack Thanks for any idea Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Juni 2010 20:07 > An: 'How to use Revolution' > Betreff: AW: How to launch an app invisible? > > Hi Jeff and Mark, > > I forgot to say that the target platform is Win. I tried Jeffs approach > first without result. But because of your quick replies I started > thinking > if my ghost-windows perhaps doesn't comes from my rev launcher, but > from the > other (non-rev) app, I want to launch... > I think have to dig in that direction > Thank you for your replies > Tiemo > > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Jun 4 04:17:01 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:17:01 -0700 Subject: AW: How to launch an app invisible? In-Reply-To: <001101cb03bc$e633a3b0$b29aeb10$@de> Message-ID: Locking the screen only applies to Rev stacks -- this doesn't affect any non-Rev windows. You can try running this right before calling your shell command: set the hideConsoleWindows to true get shell..... Otherwise, you may have to employ some kind of invisible flag setting in the shell command which I don't know. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, > the flashing window is still there. My rev launcher app is hidden in > preopenstack, the launched non-rev-app doesn't have that flashing window > either. So I think it must be the Windows shell window, which blinks up for > a moment. I put a lockscreen in the handler with the shell call without > result. Probably because lockscreen has no effect on the shell. I used the > same syntax before to call other apps and never had this flashing window, so > I wonder what makes the difference and what I can do against a flashing > shell? Any way to hide the shell before it pops up? > Here is an extract of the code: > on openStack > set the lockscreen to true > put appToLaunch into tStart > put myTitel into tTitel > get shell ("start" && quote & tTitel & quote && quote & tStart) > set the lockscreen to false > end openStack > > Thanks for any idea From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Jun 4 04:25:43 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:25:43 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: How to launch an app invisible? In-Reply-To: References: <001101cb03bc$e633a3b0$b29aeb10$@de> Message-ID: <001201cb03bf$86e60710$94b21530$@de> Thank you Scott! that did the trick - and now I remember obviously having seen this statement before, but my brain didn't got it out of the box :) Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Scott Rossi > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2010 10:17 > An: Revolution Mail List > Betreff: Re: AW: How to launch an app invisible? > > Locking the screen only applies to Rev stacks -- this doesn't affect > any > non-Rev windows. > > You can try running this right before calling your shell command: > > set the hideConsoleWindows to true > get shell..... > > Otherwise, you may have to employ some kind of invisible flag setting > in the > shell command which I don't know. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > From niggemann at uni-wh.de Fri Jun 4 06:22:44 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> David, I made a little test stack with four fields on the corners of the card. These fields are grouped. Into the script of the card I put this handler: ---------------- on resizeStack set the width of group 1 to the width of card 1 set the height of group 1 to the height of card 1 -30 -- adjust set the topleft of group 1 to 0,30 -- adjust if the width of card 1 > 780 then -- adjust set the hScrollbar of group 1 to false else set the hScrollbar of group 1 to true end if if the height of card 1 > 520 then -- adjust set the vScrollbar of group 1 to false else set the vScrollbar of group 1 to true end if end resizeStack ----------------- Into the script of the stack I put this handler: -------------- on openstack if the width of card 1 > 400 then revChangeWindowSize 350,150 else revChangeWindowSize 800,550 end if send resizeStack to card 1 in 2 milliseconds end openstack ---------------------- This worked for manually resizing the stack with just the handler in the card, and worked for setting the stack size in the openstack handler. I had to add "send resizeStack to card 1 in 2 milliseconds" though. If I understand your problem this should give you an idea. The group is not locLocked. The fields stay in their original position, just the group size is adjusted and w/o scrollbar. (When manually changing the size of the stack I noticed that the field locations changed a little when increasing width and height and went back to the original location when making the stack window small, but this was only with live resizing on, with live resizing off they did not do this.) And thanks for "revChangeWindowSize", I did not know this one. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Example-of-scrolling-group-tp2236026p2242986.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 09:32:37 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <548517.33442.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sarah vs. Jacque: Both of you make our lives so much easier. Literally every time I use RunRev I use something I learned from one of you. So it pains me to have to side with Sarah on this one. I understand Jacque's wish to segregate the third party add-ons. I don't use any myself, although I like to find out what they are and how people are getting along with them. I really don't want to check on several websites to explore the possibilities. As long as the subject line warns us of the content we can choose what we want. Jack and Sarah get free advertizing, but everyone with a product to sell here seems to do the same thing -- it's just that they aren't so agressive. Jacque -- if you want to ban all posts pertaining to Steve Jobs' business mojo I'm behind you 100 percent. Mike --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > From: Sarah Reichelt > Subject: Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 12:43 AM > On 29/05/2010, at 1:25 PM, "J. > Landman Gay" > wrote: > > > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Jerry Daniels > > wrote: > >>> We have posted a video of the Rodeo > development environment in action! Sarah Reichelt > (co-creator of Rodeo) joins me in the video all the way from > Queensland, Australia. > >>> > >>> This is a pretty big step for our little team. > Here's the link: > >>> > >>>? http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-headed-for-pre-release-0 > >> Jerry is away for a few days, but if anyone has > any questions, post > >> them here or on the Rodeo site and I will do my > best to answer. > > > > Since it's a third party product, I think the rodeo > site would be more appropriate. > > > > While I agree that the Rodeo site is a better location for > such questions, I feel that discussion of an On-Rev based > service has it's place here, and is vastly more on-topic > than many other recent threads. > > Cheers, > Sarah > ? _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jun 4 10:10:18 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:10:18 -0700 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows Message-ID: <4C09094A.8010107@fourthworld.com> Klaus wrote: > Hi Kurt, > >> S.R.: >> "One hundred rubles says an army of Russian virus writers is working in the >> office next door to Kasparsky, and they all take cigarette breaks together >> every morning. :-)" >> >> LOL!!!!! Wasn't there someone who, years ago on the SC list, would occasionally spin fanciful tales of KGB and Stasi intrigue? > > Yep, Ivan Aufulish (or whateveritwasspelled)! > That was my first thought, too :-D It's "Aufulich", read "Awful Itch" - he was the Third Deputy Assistant Undersecretary in the Ministry for Woolen Underwear. :) The late great Grant Schampel used to read Pravda and other Soviet sources for a job he once had which he never went into much detail on. The doublespeak he found in much of the Soviet "news" was so amusing to him that he created the Ivan character as a way of discussing pre-release SuperCard and Apple software without actually divulging any details which would violate an NDA. Over time the Aufulich mythos grew to include a great many other characters, many of them party "apparatchiks" as he called them, and it became a marvelous snapshot of Soviet-era lingo. Before he passed away in the late '90s, Grant donated to my site the Ivan Aufilich Archives, a collection of 28 profiles of the characters from the Aufulish mythos. It's a shame that I still haven't moved these into my main site since I redesigned it some years back, but the archives are still online in an old repository: This first entry introduces Mr. Aufulich, well worth the read: This discussion was a good reminder that I should move those pages into my current site. I'm glad you brought this up. Grant was a talented writer, an ardent supporter of xTalks, and a loyal friend. And if you like the Aufulich Archives I should see if I can turn up some of his limericks - he had quite a gift for those too, many a bit off-color, all them really funny. He is missed, but through these archives and the legacy he left us he's not forgotten. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From revolution at derbrill.de Fri Jun 4 10:28:35 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:28:35 +0200 Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <20100528004531.2F1652890EB@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100528004531.2F1652890EB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <85714DCD-A2AA-4A50-BB56-43FBC38B98CD@derbrill.de> Hi there, am a bit puzzled by the following. If I enter Czech text into a field it displays the text correctly. e.g. escrz????d However, if I get the text of that field, I get garbage back: escrz????d If I am using htmlText it works correctly:

escrzýáíéd

Is there a way to work with the text property, instead of htmlText? All the best, Malte From viktoras at ekoinf.net Fri Jun 4 10:31:23 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:31:23 +0100 Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <85714DCD-A2AA-4A50-BB56-43FBC38B98CD@derbrill.de> References: <20100528004531.2F1652890EB@mail.runrev.com> <85714DCD-A2AA-4A50-BB56-43FBC38B98CD@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <4C090E3B.1060801@ekoinf.net> get the unicodeText of field? V. Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Hi there, > > am a bit puzzled by the following. If I enter Czech text into a field it displays the text correctly. > > e.g. > > escrz????d > > However, if I get the text of that field, I get garbage back: > > escrz????d > > If I am using htmlText it works correctly: > >

escrzýáíéd

> > Is there a way to work with the text property, instead of htmlText? > > All the best, > > Malte > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From revolution at derbrill.de Fri Jun 4 11:19:04 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:19:04 +0200 Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <20100529170004.90C7C2880C8@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100529170004.90C7C2880C8@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5DECB4CA-3330-42C5-A5FA-6C60BB008535@derbrill.de> Hi Viktorias, unicode Text is broken there too. Does not work. :-( Thanks for the tip though. Malte From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 11:34:49 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <5DECB4CA-3330-42C5-A5FA-6C60BB008535@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <193036.56974.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On XP I copied the Czech word into fld 1 put the text of fld 1 into fld 2 -- works put fld 1 into fld 2 -- works -------------------- put fld 1 into v put v into fld 2 -- works Am I missing something obvious? It has happened before. Mike --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > From: Malte Pfaff-Brill > Subject: Re: Czech text > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 10:19 AM > Hi Viktorias, > > unicode Text is broken there too. Does not work. :-( > > Thanks for the tip though. > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Jun 4 11:42:47 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:42:47 -0600 Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows In-Reply-To: <4C09094A.8010107@fourthworld.com> References: <4C09094A.8010107@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <760CE2BA-5CDF-45AB-8A02-620EB10C717A@byu.edu> On Jun 4, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > It's "Aufulich", read "Awful Itch" - he was the Third Deputy Assistant > Undersecretary in the Ministry for Woolen Underwear. :) As a long-time student of Russian and erstwhile Kremlin-watcher, I have just three words: Flat-out brilliant! Thanks for sharing this, Richard. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From rman at free.fr Fri Jun 4 12:09:21 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <061DEC67-FC3A-4F91-9282-A46F357B8A16@me.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> <061DEC67-FC3A-4F91-9282-A46F357B8A16@me.com> Message-ID: <1275667761988-2243453.post@n4.nabble.com> I like to hear from things on a single list, but Jerry's point makes sense, to keep major annoucement here and keep in touch more "intimately" (!) somewhere else. And wherever it is : http://wecode.org/planet allows to keep track of runrev "planets" developpments efficiently (except I don't like the tweets that distract a lot there..). -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2243453.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revolution at derbrill.de Fri Jun 4 12:14:16 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:14:16 +0200 Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <20100603170005.6AAEC2883B0@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100603170005.6AAEC2883B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3C000834-5C46-4710-ABBC-5418F43DEADA@derbrill.de> Hi Mike, thanks for testing. This is all very very strange. On my Mac I get what I posted earlier. On one Vista machine, I get what you describe. On one XP machine (System Language set to Czech) I get the same result as on the Mac. I do not get it... On the vista box, the HTMLtext returns ý for the character ?. If I use this entity on a mac I get an apple sign. Tried setting the text font to no avail. Could you do me a favour and tell me what the effective textfont of the field you pasted to is, and what the language setting of your XP box is? Thanks a heap! Malte From massung at gmail.com Fri Jun 4 12:42:18 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:42:18 -0500 Subject: libURLFTPCommand problems Message-ID: I cannot seem to get this to work. Well, to be clear, the function works just fine, but none of the commands are working. For example, a simple test: put libURLFtpCommand("ls", "my.ftp.site", "username", "password") Every time this will put "500 Command not found". However, if I just ftp into the account I can do "ls" all day long and it works just fine. I've tried DIR, NLST, LIST, caps combinations, etc. PWD works, but almost every other command fails. Any ideas? Thanks! Jeff M. From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 13:54:33 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: libURLFTPCommand problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <109047.50744.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mark, It looks like we get three more commands to work with: ------------------------------------------ -- output from following script ------------------------------------------ 214-The following SITE commands are recognized ALIAS CHMOD IDLE UTIME -- Don't know why PWD isn't listed. ------------------------------------------ Script: on mouseUp libURLSetLogField "field 1" put libURLFtpCommand("HELP", "taishan.on-rev.com", "taishan", "pj7d89kq") into fld 2 end mouseUp Not much help. Sorry. Mike --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Jeff Massung wrote: > From: Jeff Massung > Subject: libURLFTPCommand problems > To: "RunRev Mailing List" > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:42 AM > I cannot seem to get this to work. > Well, to be clear, the function works > just fine, but none of the commands are working. For > example, a simple test: > > put libURLFtpCommand("ls", "my.ftp.site", "username", > "password") > > Every time this will put "500 Command not found". However, > if I just ftp > into the account I can do "ls" all day long and it works > just fine. I've > tried DIR, NLST, LIST, caps combinations, etc. PWD works, > but almost every > other command fails. > > Any ideas? Thanks! > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 14:03:46 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <3C000834-5C46-4710-ABBC-5418F43DEADA@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <92137.81496.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Malte, When the effective textFont is the default (English over here I assume) it works. When the effective textFont is set to WSJ_Czec it displays some letters as gibberish as you experienced. The language setting for the XP overall is American English. Over the weekend I'll do some more testing. I'm on 4.0 build 950. I'm very happy that you posted this question because every once in a while my mother asks me to go to Bohemia and do some genealogy research on her side of the family. I doubt very much that I'll ever get around to it but it might help if I can type some Czech in RunRev. Half Kraut and half Bohemie, Mike --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > From: Malte Pfaff-Brill > Subject: Re: Czech text > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:14 AM > Hi Mike, > > thanks for testing. This is all very very strange. > > On my Mac I get what I posted earlier. On one Vista > machine, I get what you describe. On one XP machine (System > Language set to Czech) I get the same result as on the Mac. > I do not get it... > > > On the vista box, the HTMLtext returns ý for the > character ?. If I use this entity on a mac I get an apple > sign. Tried setting the text font to no avail. Could you do > me a favour and tell me what the effective textfont of the > field you pasted to is, and what the language setting of > your XP box is? > > Thanks a heap! > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 14:09:08 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: libURLFTPCommand problems In-Reply-To: <3C000834-5C46-4710-ABBC-5418F43DEADA@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <57544.11129.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Richard let me know that I put my password on the Internet by mistake. Thanks Richard. (So nobody else needs to waste time notifying me.) Mike From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Jun 4 16:05:00 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:05:00 -0300 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <1275667761988-2243453.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> <061DEC67-FC3A-4F91-9282-A46F357B8A16@me.com> <1275667761988-2243453.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Robert, I will remove the tweet part or allow it to be accessible thru a menu. Glad you liked the service, I thought no one used it except me. :D On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > I like to hear from things on a single list, but Jerry's point makes sense, > to keep major annoucement here and keep in touch more "intimately" (!) > somewhere else. And wherever it is : > > http://wecode.org/planet > > allows to keep track of runrev "planets" developpments efficiently (except > I > don't like the tweets that distract a lot there..). > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2243453.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jun 4 16:18:14 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:18:14 -0700 Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4C095F86.8070807@comcast.net> When setting the passKey of a protected stack, is there a way to catch if is valid or not? I made a change in the password of some of my stacks along the way, and so there are two possible passKeys. If there's a way for me to try one, then if it fails try another, I'd be a lot happier today! My guess is that it can't be done, but maybe? Thanks, Marty From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Fri Jun 4 16:24:52 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:24:52 +0100 Subject: libURLFTPCommand problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:42, Jeff Massung wrote: > I cannot seem to get this to work. Well, to be clear, the function works > just fine, but none of the commands are working. For example, a simple test: > > put libURLFtpCommand("ls", "my.ftp.site", "username", "password") > > Every time this will put "500 Command not found". However, if I just ftp > into the account I can do "ls" all day long and it works just fine. I've > tried DIR, NLST, LIST, caps combinations, etc. PWD works, but almost every > other command fails. > > Any ideas? Thanks! You could try "SITE ls" as the command. "ls" isn't a standard ftp command, but many servers support it. If you just want a directory listing, you can use "get url" with the url to the directory. Ex: get url "ftp://myName:myPassword at my.server.com/myDirectory/" If you do want to use "ls" or "LIST" yourself, you have a bit of work to do. FTP commands go over a "control connection". Commands that result in "data transfer" (such as STOR, RETR, LIST, NLST) require a separate connection to transfer the data. libURLFtpCommand just sends commands and returns responses over the "control connection". Commands such as PWD only use the "control connection" and so work fine. To conduct a LIST command fully, the sequence goes something like this: -- send CWD command to switch to the directory you ned to list -- send the PASV command to initiate opening a data socket -- read the response (should be 227) and parse the IP address and port information returned typical response looks like this: 227 Entering Passive Mode (173,175,12,250,15,28) -- open a socket to the IP address and port you've just parsed -- send the LIST command with the appropriate path data -- wait for a 150 response (indication that the server is ready) -- read from the socket you opened previously until it closes It's not a lot of fun. :-) Cheers Dave From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Jun 4 16:53:21 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:53:21 EDT Subject: combo box messages Message-ID: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> A problem was posted to the forums. SomeOne wanted to type text into a field, and have that text dynamically located among the lines of another scrolling list field such that closer and closer matches are found as the text entry gets longer. Easy to do. Two fields, some lineOffset stuff, etc. I was wondering if a combo box couldn't act like that on its own. The text entry field does respond to field messages, like "keyUp", but it takes some finagling to pop open the box: click at item 1 of the topRight of me - 5 & "," & item 2 of the topRight of me +5 But then I am stuck on how to scroll the contents of the combo box based on additional text entry. In fact, how to continue text entry (with the box open) at all. Very few messages are sent from an open combo box, in fact, none, and that is my problem. As a pertinent side issue, is there a property that returns the "scroll" of an open combo box? Too much to ask of this humble control? Thanks, Craig Newman From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jun 4 17:20:19 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:20:19 +1000 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <548517.33442.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <548517.33442.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't worry about us. Jacque & I have discussed this off-list and we're still friends :-) Cheers, Sarah On Friday, June 4, 2010, Michael Kann wrote: > Sarah vs. Jacque: > > Both of you make our lives so much easier. Literally every time I use RunRev I use something I learned from one of you. So it pains me to have to side with Sarah on this one. > > I understand Jacque's wish to segregate the third party add-ons. I don't use any myself, although I like to find out what they are and how people are getting along with them. I really don't want to check on several websites to explore the possibilities. As long as the subject line warns us of the content we can choose what we want. Jack and Sarah get free advertizing, but everyone with a product to sell here seems to do the same thing -- it's just that they aren't so agressive. > > Jacque -- if you want to ban all posts pertaining to Steve Jobs' business mojo I'm behind you 100 percent. > > Mike > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> From: Sarah Reichelt >> Subject: Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 12:43 AM >> On 29/05/2010, at 1:25 PM, "J. >> Landman Gay" >> wrote: >> >> > Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Jerry Daniels >> >> wrote: >> >>> We have posted a video of the Rodeo >> development environment in action! Sarah Reichelt >> (co-creator of Rodeo) joins me in the video all the way from >> Queensland, Australia. >> >>> >> >>> This is a pretty big step for our little team. >> Here's the link: >> >>> >> >>>? http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-headed-for-pre-release-0 >> >> Jerry is away for a few days, but if anyone has >> any questions, post >> >> them here or on the Rodeo site and I will do my >> best to answer. >> > >> > Since it's a third party product, I think the rodeo >> site would be more appropriate. >> > >> >> While I agree that the Rodeo site is a better location for >> such questions, I feel that discussion of an On-Rev based >> service has it's place here, and is vastly more on-topic >> than many other recent threads. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> ? _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jun 4 17:42:47 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:42:47 -0700 Subject: Example of scrolling group? Message-ID: <4C097357.2090700@fourthworld.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > When setting the passKey of a protected stack, is there a way to catch > if is valid or not? I made a change in the password of some of my stacks > along the way, and so there are two possible passKeys. If there's a way > for me to try one, then if it fails try another, I'd be a lot happier > today! My guess is that it can't be done, but maybe? In earlier versions of Rev you could check is a stack is protected with this: return (the passkey of stack tStack = the password of stack tStack) ...to return true if the password had never been set or if the passkey has been entered during the current session. Unfortunately this broke with the new, more secure, method of encrypting scripts in v4.0. Now the only reliable method I've found also works in earlier versions but is a little longer, requiring a try/catch block: function IsPasswordProtected pStack try get the script of stack pStack catch tErr return true -- couldn't get script end try return false -- got it OK end IsPasswordProtected You can use a similar try/catch setup to attempt to set the password, with the catch part coming into play if it fails. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jun 4 19:12:58 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:12:58 +0100 Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4C09887A.1000501@tiscali.co.uk> Thanks Bernd, That certainly helped me out, and also shows why I was getting grey rectangles instead of scroll bars. I copied your example and made a test stack like yours. Jeff M. - Here's some stuff I figured out:- If the window size is larger than the group and the hScrollbar or vScrollbar is true then the scroll bars turn into these grey rectangles. You can set the maximum width and height of the card to the original group size - that will leave the full scroll bars at max size. You can set the hScrollbar / vScrollbar to false if the window is over the group size and the scrollbars will vanish when the window is changed. Or just don't allow the user to change the window size at all! The scroll bars are included in the group, so the group size is original group size PLUS the scroll bar width (16 by default). (Otherwise the scroll bars obscure the group fields etc at the edges.) When you are changing width or height of card within a card script, you need to keep track of the scrollbars with a resizeStack routine as below. Bernd has introduced a little interest below by putting in the 30 pixel offset from the top of the card. I found that a little confusing when messing about in the IDE and changing window sizes etc. I should be able to get on with it now, thanks again, Bernd Douglas On 04/06/2010 11:22, BNig wrote: > David, > I made a little test stack with four fields on the corners of the card. > These fields are grouped. Into the script of the card I put this handler: > ---------------- > on resizeStack > set the width of group 1 to the width of card 1 > set the height of group 1 to the height of card 1 -30 -- adjust > set the topleft of group 1 to 0,30 -- adjust > if the width of card 1> 780 then -- adjust > set the hScrollbar of group 1 to false > else > set the hScrollbar of group 1 to true > end if > if the height of card 1> 520 then -- adjust > set the vScrollbar of group 1 to false > else > set the vScrollbar of group 1 to true > end if > end resizeStack > ----------------- > Into the script of the stack I put this handler: > -------------- > on openstack > if the width of card 1> 400 then > revChangeWindowSize 350,150 > else > revChangeWindowSize 800,550 > end if > send resizeStack to card 1 in 2 milliseconds > end openstack > ---------------------- > This worked for manually resizing the stack with just the handler in the > card, and worked for setting the stack size in the openstack handler. I had > to add "send resizeStack to card 1 in 2 milliseconds" though. > > If I understand your problem this should give you an idea. The group is not > locLocked. The fields stay in their original position, just the group size > is adjusted and w/o scrollbar. > (When manually changing the size of the stack I noticed that the field > locations changed a little when increasing width and height and went back to > the original location when making the stack window small, but this was only > with live resizing on, with live resizing off they did not do this.) > And thanks for "revChangeWindowSize", I did not know this one. > > regards > Bernd > From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Jun 4 19:55:59 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:55:59 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? Message-ID: Anyone have any secrets for playing audioClips asynchronously with event messages (not other sounds) on Windows? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems the audio capabilities of Rev are getting worse. I have a stack with a bunch of large image buttons that is supposed to play a short click sound upon mouseEnter on the buttons, combined with visual feedback of the button slightly enlarging. The stack works relatively flawlessly on OS X, but moving it over to Vista, it seems that playing audioclips is essentially locking up mouseEnter until the audioclip has finished, and the buttons respond like they're swimming in molasses. Disabling the sound playback causes the buttons to respond normally. I tried moving the sound playback into its own handler and using "send in..." to play the audioclip (with the hope of achieving semi-asynchronous playback), but the molasses behavior is the same. I tried using a player, which allows the buttons to respond normally to mouseEnter, but it takes a good second before the player starts and the sound plays! Tried restarting the entire system -- no change. Any other options I can try? Is my only option to disable audio feedback for the Windows platform? I've been harping on Rev's (lack of) audio support for years, and I thought I was playing it safe by avoiding players and using imported auidioClips. It seems I was mistaken. Apparently Rev can't even handle playback of simple sound effects without bogging down to near non-usability. [sigh] Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From coiin at verizon.net Fri Jun 4 20:40:17 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:40:17 -0400 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When using other tools, and getting choppy sound on Windows, one place to check is in the Audio part of the QuickTime preferences. Make sure it's set to use the normal WAV player, and not using hardware. Failing that, try the opposite approach outlined here: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1362 From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Jun 4 20:54:14 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:54:14 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Colin Holgate wrote: > When using other tools, and getting choppy sound on Windows, one place to > check is in the Audio part of the QuickTime preferences. Make sure it's set to > use the normal WAV player, and not using hardware. > > Failing that, try the opposite approach outlined here: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1362 Thanks for the suggestions Colin but the stack I'm building is for public use -- messing around with a QT control panel (if indeed there is one) won't be a viable option. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From coiin at verizon.net Fri Jun 4 21:03:07 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:03:07 -0400 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 4, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions Colin but the stack I'm building is for public > use -- messing around with a QT control panel (if indeed there is one) won't > be a viable option. Might be worth trying anyway, so that you can tell people how to fix it. If that's what it turns out to be, I don't think there's anything you can do in your stack that could fix it. If it was Director, you could change to use another sound manager. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jun 4 22:24:53 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:24:53 -0500 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C09B575.8040601@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > Anyone have any secrets for playing audioClips asynchronously with event > messages (not other sounds) on Windows? In my Blocks game I use an audioclip and it takes a good couple of seconds to load a short click sound the first time. There's a very decided delay. After the first playback it works normally from then on. As soon as I leave the card, the sound gets dumped and when I return to the card it has to load all over again. If that's what's affecting you, then I imagine the loading is blocking any other activity while it's happening. Audio clips are very old technology and I don't think they've been updated since RR took over the engine; players are supposedly the way to go now. As a test, you might try playing the clip on opencard or manually from the message box, just to see if preloading fixes it. If so, then we can try to figure out how to fake a preload. I thought there was a command for that, but I don't see it. If you're getting the same problem each time you click the button (without changing cards,) not just the first time, then that may not be what's wrong. My delay happens on OS X too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jun 4 22:25:46 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:25:46 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: References: <548517.33442.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C09B5AA.2010607@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Don't worry about us. Jacque & I have discussed this off-list and > we're still friends :-) To death do us part! :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Jun 4 22:33:04 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:33:04 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <4C09B5AA.2010607@hyperactivesw.com> References: <548517.33442.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4C09B5AA.2010607@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <86155DE7-8A8A-4445-A4AF-B50B64C4521B@me.com> I believe that's "until death do us part." Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Don't worry about us. Jacque & I have discussed this off-list and >> we're still friends :-) > > To death do us part! :) > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jun 4 22:40:11 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:40:11 -0500 Subject: combo box messages In-Reply-To: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> References: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C09B90B.20704@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > A problem was posted to the forums. SomeOne wanted to type text into a > field, and have that text dynamically located among the lines of another > scrolling list field such that closer and closer matches are found as the text > entry gets longer. > > Easy to do. Two fields, some lineOffset stuff, etc. > > I was wondering if a combo box couldn't act like that on its own. The text > entry field does respond to field messages, like "keyUp", but it takes some > finagling to pop open the box: > > click at item 1 of the topRight of me - 5 & "," & item 2 of the topRight of > me +5 > > But then I am stuck on how to scroll the contents of the combo box based on > additional text entry. In fact, how to continue text entry (with the box > open) at all. Very few messages are sent from an open combo box, in fact, > none, and that is my problem. As a pertinent side issue, is there a property > that returns the "scroll" of an open combo box? They don't really work that way. You can check for an offset of the button contents and set the label accordingly. Or you can change the menuhistory to automatically insert the desired line, but the menu won't pop up like you want it to. The menu portion is pretty much a manual-only control, just as you can't pop down a system menu via script either. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jun 4 22:42:10 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:42:10 -0700 Subject: Setting a PassKey - can errors be caught? In-Reply-To: <4C095F86.8070807@comcast.net> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C095F86.8070807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C09B982.2090105@comcast.net> I just realized that I posted my question under the wrong subject - sorry about that. So I thought I should re-post: When setting the passKey of a protected stack (via script), is there a way to catch if is valid or not? I made a change in the password of some of my stacks along the way, and so there are two possible passKeys (real smart I know . . .). If there's a way for me to try one, then if it fails try another, I'd be a lot happier today! My guess is that it can't be done, but maybe? BTW these stacks are in the hands of my users. Locally it would be no problem to fix, I know. Thanks, Marty From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jun 4 23:05:10 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:05:10 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <86155DE7-8A8A-4445-A4AF-B50B64C4521B@me.com> References: <548517.33442.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4C09B5AA.2010607@hyperactivesw.com> <86155DE7-8A8A-4445-A4AF-B50B64C4521B@me.com> Message-ID: <162557063546.20100604200510@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Friday, June 4, 2010, 7:33:04 PM, you wrote: > I believe that's "until death do us part." Maybe Jacque wants to force the issue. If there are still tickets left to the smackdown, I'd like to go. Although if it's gonna be televised, there'll be some serious competition with the World Cup coming up next week. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Jun 5 01:17:00 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:17:00 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Colin Holgate wrote: >> Thanks for the suggestions Colin but the stack I'm building is for public >> use -- messing around with a QT control panel (if indeed there is one) won't >> be a viable option. > > > Might be worth trying anyway, so that you can tell people how to fix it. For educational reasons, sure, but having a user change settings purely for feedback purposes is asking a bit much. > If > that's what it turns out to be, I don't think there's anything you can do in > your stack that could fix it. If it was Director, you could change to use > another sound manager. Sadly, I will also probably using Flash to play video in the stack, since there doesn't seem to be any other good non-QT cross-platform video format. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Jun 5 01:54:03 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:54:03 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: how about html5 with flash backup? This is the current rave. I understand about 40% of browsers can do this. http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/audio.php friends don't let friends use Flash. Have you seen these Tech Demos for HTML5 at the apple site? http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/ Amazing stuff. On 4 June 2010 22:17, Scott Rossi wrote: > > > Sadly, I will also probably using Flash to play video in the stack, since > there doesn't seem to be any other good non-QT cross-platform video format. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sat Jun 5 03:20:42 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:20:42 +0100 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> On 5 Jun 2010, at 06:54, stephen barncard wrote: > Have you seen these Tech Demos for HTML5 at the apple site? > > http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/ > > Amazing stuff. And amazing irony. A great showcase for web standards, so long as you install Safari. Try a demo on Firefox, and we're asked to install Safari. A look at a couple of the demos (typography and transitions) shows a lot of css stuff with "-webkit" in the properties. Friends don't let friends tie themselves to a particular browser. :-) Dave From briany at qldlearning.com Sat Jun 5 03:38:24 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 00:38:24 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <30E3AD32-874B-4CC2-BADD-765CA82C027C@qldlearning.com> A bit ironic, but understandable at this point. HTML 5 may be the future, but the standard itself isn't even final yet. A bit hard to produce a cross-browser tech demo when all of the vendors are still in the middle of implementing a moving target. The -webkit stuff is more a reflection of things being in flux than an indication that these are Safari-specific extensions. With that said, it *would* be cool if HTML 5 would get here all ready and succeed in bringing unprecedented compatibility =) > > On 5 Jun 2010, at 06:54, stephen barncard wrote: > >> Have you seen these Tech Demos for HTML5 at the apple site? >> >> http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/ >> >> Amazing stuff. > > And amazing irony. A great showcase for web standards, so long as you install Safari. Try a demo on Firefox, and we're asked to install Safari. A look at a couple of the demos (typography and transitions) shows a lot of css stuff with "-webkit" in the properties. > > Friends don't let friends tie themselves to a particular browser. :-) > > > Dave_______________________________________________ From h at FlexibleLearning.com Sat Jun 5 04:36:56 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:36:56 +0100 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: <20100521170005.7AA5C288564@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Now available at http://www.flexiblelearning.com/xtalk.htm About... ChartMaker is a cross-platform Rev library solution for Mac OS and Windows, designed to present clear, uncluttered pie, doughnut, ring, bar, column and line charts in your own work. It comes with ChartMaker Utility, a point and click palette that uses ChartMaker to create ad-hoc charts along with the required syntax for you. ChartMaker's syntax is straightforward, default settings are applied if you omit anything or if it cannot understand, and it will always try to correctly interpret the data you supply. ChartMaker is an appropriate solution if you want to... . Intuitively create flexible chart graphics . Use 'Point and Click' or fully scripted options . Copy charts to the clipboard . Save charts to an image file . Integrate charts in layouts . Specify dimensions and position to fit your design . Quickly make display and data changes . Apply calculated values . Specify constants . Draw charts using formulae . Animate dynamic data . Apply visual effects . Choose 2D or gradient fills . Selectively display specific data sub-sets ('data binding') . Differentiate between zero and null values . Flip (or transpose) charts for the alternative view . List and update existing charts . Store chart definitions in a compact archive . Recover the data and settings for any chart Requirements... .Rev version 3.5 or later, any edition From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat Jun 5 05:17:42 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:17:42 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) Message-ID: There was some discussion about Using BASS as an audio plugin a short while ago. Several other audio solutions were also mentioned. Does anyone now if some sort of communication has taken place about getting a plugin or wrapper produced so something more sophisticated for audio can be done with Rev? sims From revolution at derbrill.de Sat Jun 5 05:21:33 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:21:33 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: <20100604170005.3621B288263@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100604170005.3621B288263@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I did not get any feedback from the bass guys yet. Maybe somebody else was more lucky? Cheers, Malte From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat Jun 5 05:22:27 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:22:27 +0200 Subject: Callbacks Message-ID: <152349C9-25AB-4CE0-B8E3-6F26C2001AC6@ezpzapps.com> When using callback with an audio file in a player object I seem to get slight variations on when that callback actually happens. Does anyone have some thoughts on how I might obtain more consistent callbacks? sims From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat Jun 5 05:34:23 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:34:23 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <20100604170005.3621B288263@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7CD33AED-4EB0-4C5A-AB69-422E7229B7C1@ezpzapps.com> On Jun 5, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > I did not get any feedback from the bass guys yet. Maybe somebody else was more lucky? According to the BASS forum an iPhone version has been released. "There have been quite a lot of requests for the iPhone version recently, so it's probably about time that it was made publicly available. Well, here it is... www.un4seen.com/stuff/bass24-iphone.zip (updated: 23 Apr '10)" I wonder if having that already done might make it easier for them to at least make an OS X version or wrapper for us to use with Rev. sims From coiin at verizon.net Sat Jun 5 08:38:05 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:38:05 -0400 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: <30E3AD32-874B-4CC2-BADD-765CA82C027C@qldlearning.com> References: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> <30E3AD32-874B-4CC2-BADD-765CA82C027C@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: Someone nicely summed up the browser craziness with this image: http://i.imgur.com/cT08B.png As for saying anything against Flash, if you go along with what Steve says about Flash, you should also stop using Rev. From gwolfgang at gaich.de Sat Jun 5 10:02:57 2010 From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G. Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:02:57 +0200 Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? In-Reply-To: <4C09B982.2090105@comcast.net> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C095F86.8070807@comcast.net> <4C09B982.2090105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C0A5911.8000307@gaich.de> Hi all, I don't know how to manage this: On a card I have a field with text and a combo box. With the combobox the user can change the textsize of the selected text of the textfield. That works good when I set the traversalOn of the combobox to false. The User then can use the menu of the combobox while the selection in the textfield keeps visible. But when I set the traversalOn of the combobox to true, so that the user can manually enter a textsize in the field part of the combobox, the selection in the textfield disappears because the textfield lost its focus. One way I tested was to store the selectedChunk in a custom property on selectionchanged and when the user has entered the textsize in the combobox and presses return or enter the textsize and the selection for the selectedchunk (I stored in the custom property) of the field is set. But there is a period of time the user doesn't see his selection in the textfield. Is there a way to keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? I hope you understand my request despite my poor english. Thank you very much in advance. Wolfgang From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Jun 5 11:05:07 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:05:07 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> <30E3AD32-874B-4CC2-BADD-765CA82C027C@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: Sorry to reveal my less-than-informed research re players. I'm still looking for a better way to do web playback, and without flash. I think Scott was looking at desktop solutions. I am checking out a PHP playernow. On 5 June 2010 05:38, Colin Holgate wrote: > Someone nicely summed up the browser craziness with this image: > > http://i.imgur.com/cT08B.png > > As for saying anything against Flash, if you go along with what Steve says > about Flash, you should also stop using Rev. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 12:31:18 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:31:18 +0300 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> <30E3AD32-874B-4CC2-BADD-765CA82C027C@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <4C0A7BD6.7010100@gmail.com> On 06/05/2010 06:05 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Sorry to reveal my less-than-informed research re players. I'm still looking > for a better way to do web playback, and without flash. I think Scott was > looking at desktop solutions. > > I am checking out a PHP > playernow. > > On 5 June 2010 05:38, Colin Holgate wrote: > > >> Someone nicely summed up the browser craziness with this image: >> >> http://i.imgur.com/cT08B.png >> >> As for saying anything against Flash, if you go along with what Steve says >> about Flash, you should also stop using Rev. >> >> >> __ >> Hmm: if you go along with what Steve says about Flash, you should also stop using just about everything: soap, toothpaste, water???? unless it is on the "Steve approves" list . . . . . . anybody know why Vaisnava Hindus won't use toothpaste??? because it contains animal shell; not veggie enough. [off-topic fact number 108 in the 'Richmond Collection' of facts to annoy use-list users with]. However, as Steve is not (at least as far as I know) a guru in a recognised spiritual tradition with an apostolic succession stretching back into the misty past; and, no guru worth his/her salt is going to be THAT heavy, count me out for the queue to become some sort of unthinking chela. Even if only for the reason that we have brains which are capable (for some odd reason that folks like Steve may be unable to appreciate) of making informed choices (and, sadly, uninformed ones). I will not pretend to understand the real reason (although I have already written some cr*p on the subject on this list) why Steve is anti-Flash. But, until he explains in terms that I can understand (that will have to be fairly simplistic) I won't even entertain rejecting it. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Jun 5 12:51:30 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:51:30 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: <4C0A7BD6.7010100@gmail.com> References: <9D36ECF9-4404-4DAA-B0F8-A7B78253C902@lacscentre.co.uk> <30E3AD32-874B-4CC2-BADD-765CA82C027C@qldlearning.com> <4C0A7BD6.7010100@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just want my 'stuff' to run everywhere, all the time, that's all. ha ha -- I know I'm the delusional one. On 5 June 2010 09:31, Richmond wrote: > On 06/05/2010 06:05 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> Sorry to reveal my less-than-informed research re players. I'm still >> looking >> for a better way to do web playback, and without flash. I think Scott was >> looking at desktop solutions. >> >> I am checking out a PHP >> player< >> http://download.cnet.com/MP3-Web-Player/3000-10248_4-10528817.html?tag=mncol >> >now. >> >> >> On 5 June 2010 05:38, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >> >> >>> Someone nicely summed up the browser craziness with this image: >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/cT08B.png >>> >>> As for saying anything against Flash, if you go along with what Steve >>> says >>> about Flash, you should also stop using Rev. >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> >> > Hmm: if you go along with what Steve says about Flash, you should also stop > using just about everything: soap, toothpaste, water???? unless it is on > the > "Steve approves" list . . . . . . anybody know why Vaisnava Hindus won't > use toothpaste??? > > because it contains animal shell; not veggie enough. [off-topic fact number > 108 in the 'Richmond > Collection' of facts to annoy use-list users with]. > > However, as Steve is not (at least as far as I know) a guru in a recognised > spiritual > tradition with an apostolic succession stretching back into the misty past; > and, no > guru worth his/her salt is going to be THAT heavy, count me out for the > queue to > become some sort of unthinking chela. > > Even if only for the reason that we have brains which are capable (for some > odd reason > that folks like Steve may be unable to appreciate) of making informed > choices (and, sadly, > uninformed ones). > > I will not pretend to understand the real reason (although I have already > written some > cr*p on the subject on this list) why Steve is anti-Flash. But, until he > explains in terms that > I can understand (that will have to be fairly simplistic) I won't even > entertain rejecting it. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat Jun 5 13:01:27 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:01:27 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > There was some discussion about Using BASS as an audio plugin > a short while ago. > > Several other audio solutions were also mentioned. > > Does anyone now if some sort of communication has taken place > about getting a plugin or wrapper produced so something more > sophisticated for audio can be done with Rev? Hi Jim, I posted the original post about developing a commercial plugin for enhanced audio to see what the level of interest is. Similar to how we got the Franklin 3D external made, I am looking into scheduling an enhanced audio plugin, most likely using an organized donation system to fund its development though. This would be handled through our indie dev group that isnt directly involved with Valentina. Development would only start after the donation account reaches a reasonable level of confirmed donations (it will get spelled out in the next few weeks). Basically anyone who donates over level X will get a copy of the plugin(s). Externals are written in C++, and its expensive development. But, you know I have extensive resources overseas and can get this kind of development help at a very reasonable cost. We actually had a good list of folks express interest in, and even confirm helping us fund Franklin 3D development by pre-purchasing Franklin 3D licenses - enough to cover costs of the development. Unfortunately, almost all left us holding the bag. We have paid off those costs and can now afford to keep paying for updates, but it was a lesson on this kind of development. A little background on this Audio plugin project - I discussed this with several other Rev developers, now a few years ago, and were warned of another project to deliver something similar. Basically, it would have killed any commercial value in the project - so we dropped it. That project never materialized. This plugin could have been been available 1-2 years ago if it weren't for this. Within the next two weeks, Ill post more details. It would be useful though if there was agreement on the most important, core features for such a plugin - not a hog wild list, but everyone's top five features, starting with multi-channel audio. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sat Jun 5 13:21:15 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:21:15 -0700 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution Message-ID: Wondering if anyone has personal experience using REAL Basic and Revolution? I did see some discussions on this list but they're all pretty old. At first glance, REAL Basic appears to provide very similar functionality to Revolution and a few things (like a report writer) that aren't in Revolution, at least without an extra cost third party add-on. Also possible that this isn't an appropriate place for such discussions, and I'm fine with that. Thanks, Pete Haworth From rman at free.fr Sat Jun 5 13:26:02 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> <061DEC67-FC3A-4F91-9282-A46F357B8A16@me.com> <1275667761988-2243453.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7CF7CA56-3B49-4742-B25E-2D00DA387CD2@free.fr> I found it very useful! A good complement to nabble-runrev. And I beleive it will find more and more audience. Actually.. like Jerry, maybe from time to time.. one should mention it on Nabble! One thing that could be interesting is add just a few selected "major" interest discussions from nabble that you and some folks could select. So as to make a kind of "best of" digest. But i'ts already fine as it stands.. thanks! Le 4 juin 10 ? 22:05, Andre Garzia-3 [via Runtime Revolution] a ?crit : > Robert, > > I will remove the tweet part or allow it to be accessible thru a menu. > > Glad you liked the service, I thought no one used it except me. > > :D > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Robert Mann <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > I like to hear from things on a single list, but Jerry's point > makes sense, > > to keep major annoucement here and keep in touch more > "intimately" (!) > > somewhere else. And wherever it is : > > > > http://wecode.org/planet > > > > allows to keep track of runrev "planets" developpments efficiently > (except > > I > > don't like the tweets that distract a lot there..). > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2243453.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > [hidden email] > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2243711.html > To unsubscribe from Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2244414.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 13:32:53 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:32:53 +0300 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0A8A45.2010403@gmail.com> On 06/05/2010 08:21 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Wondering if anyone has personal experience using REAL Basic and > Revolution? I did see some discussions on this list but they're all > pretty old. At first glance, REAL Basic appears to provide very > similar functionality to Revolution and a few things (like a report > writer) that aren't in Revolution, at least without an extra cost > third party add-on. > > Also possible that this isn't an appropriate place for such > discussions, and I'm fine with that. > > Thanks, > > Pete Haworth > > Have a look at HyperNext: www.tigabyte.com Based on RealBASIC; 'stacky', and FREE From bob.earp at ashford.ca Sat Jun 5 13:33:46 2010 From: bob.earp at ashford.ca (Robert Earp) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:33:46 -0700 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables - revUp 93 Message-ID: <705B10DB-E0D3-4D04-AB27-EE8019CAED17@ashford.ca> As I'm a bit behind on my reading, this may have already been discussed and if so I apologize, but I can't find any references to Oliver Kenyon's article titled "Avoiding Global Variables" in revUp issue 93. Firstly, I'd like to thank Oliver for his time and effort putting the article together, even though I have concerns with the content. I'm concerned that readers of the article, especially new people to Rev and scripting, will now stay away from global variables, which would be a shame as they are extremely valuable. I believe the crux of the Olivers concerns about global variables is one of scripting practices and project documentation, rather than global variables themselves. There's absolutely nothing wrong with global variables, in fact I much prefer them to other means of storing data especially when wishing to access that data across multiple stacks and/or locations. Global variables are truly global, and as such save an awful lot of addressing problems which ends up in simpler script. But I do agree in using custom properties of objects, or groups, when the data truly refers to something associated with the object/group. For example, the number of passengers in a group named myAircraft would better be stored in a property of myAircraft, and named something like numPassengers. It makes scripting to the data very logical and almost self documenting. Also, doing it this way the myAircraft group can be duplicated, renamed whatever, and the script references essentially stay the same. Well, apart from referring to the additional aircraft name!! Olivers concerns are real, however they do not need to be solved by giving up on one of the most valuable assets in revTalk (or other languages for that matter). The solution is that we need to manage ourselves better, and most of us don't want to do that. It's also something that does not get much emphasis in education today. Not wishing to sound like an old fart, which I am, when saying this ;-) Global variables vs. local variables and custom properties is a subject that has been discussed as long as I've been scripting, and that's a few decades. Some great words have been written about the subject and the associated one's of scripting practice and documentation. There are a number of papers written on all of this and some tools that help manage things. I seem to remember Richard Gaskin having a tool to list all variables in a stack, for example. One key item that is so simple it seems to get forgotten, and that is to name the variables and the properties with something meaningful. That means "meaningful" to others, and of course yourself when looking at a project in months or years to come. I'm sure a lot of the readers wrestle with this management problem on a constant basis, but maybe it's something we need to remind each other of now and again. Thanks everybody for helping everybody develop in Rev. I wish we had governments that were the same ;-) best, Bob... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.ashford.ca www.cabinsimulators.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert J. Earp Ashford Technologies Inc. 18059 21A Ave, Surrey British Columbia. V3S 9V7 Canada t: (+1) 604 541 1662 f: (+1) 604 541 1686 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.ashford.ca www.cabinsimulators.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert J. Earp - President Ashford Technologies Inc. 18059 21A Ave, Surrey British Columbia. V3S 9V7 Canada t: (+1) 604 541 1662 f: (+1) 604 541 1686 From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 13:59:10 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:59:10 -0500 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Wondering if anyone has personal experience using REAL Basic and Revolution? > ?I did see some discussions on this list but they're all pretty old. ?At > first glance, REAL Basic appears to provide very similar functionality to > Revolution and a few things (like a report writer) that aren't in > Revolution, at least without an extra cost third party add-on. Hey Pete, As a BASIC language fan spanning more than just a few years, I've licensed and used most of them that you can find available these days. I licensed RealBasic a few weeks before RunRev some 5 years ago now... and there are plenty of similarities between the two products that can easily be compared. Here's a comparison by Geoff Canyon that is a bit old, but still useful I think: http://www.inspiredlogic.com/whitepaper/index.html >From a personal perspective, after having had time to become familiar with RunRev, I can only offer this: Feature for feature, there isn't a "BASIC-like" language on the planet (including RealBasic) that can hold a candle to RunRev, IMO. - Absolutely none! - YMMV ;-) Best regards, David C. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat Jun 5 14:00:35 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:00:35 -0700 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Wondering if anyone has personal experience using REAL Basic > and Revolution? I did see some discussions on this list but > they're all pretty old. At first glance, REAL Basic appears > to provide very similar functionality to Revolution and a few > things (like a report > writer) that aren't in Revolution, at least without an extra > cost third party add-on. > > Also possible that this isn't an appropriate place for such > discussions, and I'm fine with that. You'll probably get a different response over on the REALbasic list. Functionally, they couldn't be more different. RB is much more like a Visual Studio type product, and to get the most out of it you really need to commit yourself to learning all the nuances of traditional type programming, just as you would if you were going to learn a language for using Visual Studio. Revolution lets you design first, use an English-like language, add functionality, test without recompilation. Both products produce applications that can run on multiple operating systems. Rev supports deployment through a web plugin as well. And then, there is a server-side Rev platform called On-Rev. REAL's report writer is personally interesting to me. From RB 1 to RB 5.5, I managed REAL's international sales. There was an incredible demand for support for a report writer, especially for Crystal Reports, when RB was the "Visual Basic for Mac". There wasn't a REAL Server back then. That came later after REAL failed to acquire our Valentina DB product, and instead built a server around SQLite. REAL's report writer came after we announced and shipped Valentina Reports for REALbasic. There are also a few other reporting solutions for Rev, as there are for REALbasic. Most of those solutions are built from the native platform, unlike Valentina Reports, which is developed in C++ with native wrappings. The amount of add-ons and extensions for Rev is on the increase; I haven't seen much new out there for RB. They started supporting some of their 3rd party supporters by placing them in the REAL store - later than the RevSelect program at Runtime. Although both products produce native applications, Rev isn't trying to mimic Visual Studio. If you want a Visual Studio type experience, then RB is good; but then again, there is also Visual Studio, and if you are okay with .net, Mono is what you need for cross platform and .net. But Rev doesn't do .net. I think if you evaluate both products with an eye of its support, new features and market influence over the last five years, it will give you a good idea of their potential for the future. Rev is for developers who are willing to take a risk on a less traditional programming paradigm; but Rev developers also benefit from the features and support that you do not get from others. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From DunbarX at aol.com Sat Jun 5 14:40:50 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:40:50 EDT Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? Message-ID: <41de.28136fbf.393bf432@aol.com> Just on the fly here because it might well be possible to keep the selectedText. Might you change the color or the style of the selectedtext? Perhaps to "box"? Then you can change it back once your own changes have been made. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 5 14:58:44 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275764324715-2244478.post@n4.nabble.com> It depends if you want to program, use the IDE, in Linux. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/REALBasic-vs-Revolution-tp2244408p2244478.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From yvescoppe at skynet.be Sat Jun 5 15:19:33 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:19:33 +0200 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 05-juin-10 ? 10:36, Hugh Senior a ?crit : Hi list I'm a Chartmaker user an I may say it's a fantastic tool I recommand that you try or test the chartmaker tool with the chart utility stack : you will be convinced Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From gwolfgang at gaich.de Sat Jun 5 16:12:10 2010 From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G. Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:12:10 +0200 Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? In-Reply-To: <41de.28136fbf.393bf432@aol.com> References: <41de.28136fbf.393bf432@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C0AAF9A.6010206@gaich.de> Thanks for your reply. Yes, I tested that, too. But I'm not content with it. It would be an observable workaround. Thank you Wolfgang Am 05.06.2010 20:40, schrieb DunbarX at aol.com: > Just on the fly here because it might well be possible to keep the > selectedText. > > Might you change the color or the style of the selectedtext? Perhaps to > "box"? Then you can change it back once your own changes have been made. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sat Jun 5 18:17:05 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:17:05 +1000 Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? In-Reply-To: <4C0A5911.8000307@gaich.de> Message-ID: On 6/06/10 12:02 AM, "G. Wolfgang Gaich" wrote: > One way I tested was to store the selectedChunk in a custom property on > selectionchanged and when the user has entered the textsize in the > combobox and presses return or enter the textsize and the selection for > the selectedchunk (I stored in the custom property) of the field is set. > But there is a period of time the user doesn't see his selection in the > textfield. > > Is there a way to keep the selection of a textfield visible while the > focus is on another control? Hi Wolfgang - You can use the backcolor to achieve an 'authentic' selection effect... Set the backcolor of [chunk expression] to the hiliteColor Terry... -- Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne > > Thank you very much in advance. > > Wolfgang From viktoras at ekoinf.net Sat Jun 5 18:25:24 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:25:24 +0100 Subject: raw data from barcode scanner In-Reply-To: <4C0AAF9A.6010206@gaich.de> References: <41de.28136fbf.393bf432@aol.com> <4C0AAF9A.6010206@gaich.de> Message-ID: <4C0ACED4.8060304@ekoinf.net> my experience with barcode scanners equals to absolute zero, so I am posting a very naive question :-). Is it possible to get raw "image" data from barcode scanner e.g. a line of b/w pixels (e.g. bytes or bits, whatever it is) ? Viktoras From mikekann at yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 18:31:28 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: raw data from barcode scanner In-Reply-To: <4C0ACED4.8060304@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <70112.65413.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ask Franz: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2008-July/112224.html --- On Sat, 6/5/10, viktoras d. wrote: > From: viktoras d. > Subject: raw data from barcode scanner > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 5:25 PM > my experience with barcode scanners > equals to absolute zero, so I am posting? a very naive > question :-). > > Is it possible to get raw "image" data from barcode scanner > e.g. a line of b/w pixels (e.g. bytes or bits, whatever it > is) ? > > Viktoras > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 18:41:08 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: <4C0A8A45.2010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <315829.35400.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The most important difference I've found between the two is that the chunk expressions in RunRev make it much easier to manipulate text. --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Richmond wrote: > From: Richmond > Subject: Re: REALBasic vs Revolution > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:32 PM > On 06/05/2010 08:21 PM, Peter Haworth > wrote: > > Wondering if anyone has personal experience using REAL > Basic and Revolution?? I did see some discussions on > this list but they're all pretty old.? At first glance, > REAL Basic appears to provide very similar functionality to > Revolution and a few things (like a report writer) that > aren't in Revolution, at least without an extra cost third > party add-on. > > > > Also possible that this isn't an appropriate place for > such discussions, and I'm fine with that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pete Haworth > > > > > > Have a look at HyperNext:? www.tigabyte.com > > Based on RealBASIC; 'stacky', and FREE > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 18:58:19 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:58:19 -0500 Subject: Open process woes Message-ID: I'm having an interesting issue with opening a process that I'm hoping someone here has a thought or two about. I don't want to go into gory details, because - for the most part - they don't matter. Suffice to say: I'm on OS X. If I open a Terminal and type my process command (/usr/local/bin/... -cmdargs) then the process executes and works perfectly, just as expected. If I use open process and do the exact same thing, the process executes (it spawns and spits output), but is slightly different. It fails to run properly, not finding various bits of data and such. My guess is that when I use "open process" that the user isn't the same user, or the bash shell is different, or something of that nature. I can't seem to find anything in the documentation except a user-added note in the shell() function that the $PATH variable may not be correct since bash sets it (and we haven't actually run bash). Any ideas? Jeff M. From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 19:07:52 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:07:52 -0500 Subject: combo box messages In-Reply-To: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> References: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> Message-ID: > A problem was posted to the forums. SomeOne wanted to type text into a > field, and have that text dynamically located among the lines of another > scrolling list field such that closer and closer matches are found as the text > entry gets longer. I put together a very simple stack that "kind of" does what he was looking for: http://www.docstoolchest.com/Predictive.rev It's a bit "hackish" with the hidden fields and can probably be coded more elegantly, but filtering the text seems to do pretty well in my testing with Win 7. Although I haven't done so, you can probably grab the coordinates for the cursor position and have it pop up along side each time. Best regards, David C. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Jun 5 19:08:30 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:08:30 -0700 Subject: Open process woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <104629263953.20100605160830@ahsoftware.net> Jeff- Well, lacking the gory details, I'd guess that there are environment variables that your terminal window has access to and that aren't present in your "open process" command. This may just be the path variable, as you guessed, or it may be something else. Issue a "set" command from your terminal window and see if anything jumps out at you. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Sat Jun 5 19:14:33 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:14:33 -0400 Subject: raw data from barcode scanner In-Reply-To: <4C0ACED4.8060304@ekoinf.net> References: <41de.28136fbf.393bf432@aol.com> <4C0AAF9A.6010206@gaich.de> <4C0ACED4.8060304@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <9D6AF093-86D9-4755-BD61-A4D7174694B7@verizon.net> Barcode readers act just as if the user had typed the numbers in on a keyboard. From massung at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 19:39:03 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:39:03 -0500 Subject: Open process woes In-Reply-To: <104629263953.20100605160830@ahsoftware.net> References: <104629263953.20100605160830@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jeff- > > Well, lacking the gory details, I'd guess that there are environment > variables that your terminal window has access to and that aren't > present in your "open process" command. > Ya, I've looked at the output of SET in both the message box and terminal, aside from the path they are both the same (Rev is missing /usr/local/bin). I really didn't want to get into gory details because it's pretty complicated. I'm opening a process that will connect to a remote machine and perform some operations. Launching the app works, but the remote connection fails. Yet, works from the terminal. I don't get any error messages, and it's as if everything succeeded. Out of curiosity, does read from process capture output from stderr as well? Perhaps I'm getting something there that may help me but I can't see it? If not, is there any way for me to get at it? Thanks! Jeff M. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Jun 5 20:10:57 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:10:57 -0700 Subject: Open process woes In-Reply-To: References: <104629263953.20100605160830@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <47633011250.20100605171057@ahsoftware.net> Jeff- Saturday, June 5, 2010, 4:39:03 PM, you wrote: > Out of curiosity, does read from process capture output from stderr as well? > Perhaps I'm getting something there that may help me but I can't see it? If > not, is there any way for me to get at it? I usually start by piping stuff into a text file to see if there's anything there. I don't remember whether stderr gets piped or not. I *do* remember being disgusted finding out that in update mode I there wasn't a signal raised to indicate that the external program ended. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From wdurden at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 20:25:51 2010 From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:25:51 -0400 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: <315829.35400.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4C0A8A45.2010403@gmail.com> <315829.35400.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would agree about the chunk expressions and text. But I will say it all depends on your task. I have used RealBasic for about 7years and RunRev for about 3. My main project is software which goes through lists of individual trading transactions and matches the trades into round trips and calculates gains/losses and then generates tax form PDF documents. The file sizes typically are in the realm of 6000 lines but can go up to approximately 100,000 lines. I originally had a version in RealBasic and rewrote it in RunRev when I was tackling the output to PDF files. My experience is that the RealBasic matching engine was faster but this is not significant for my typical file size. Because most of this app involves opening files, assigning items in a comma separated line and operating on those items and writing files back to the hard drive, RunRev is much much faster development wise. The experience as a whole is far more pleasant to work in and there is much less reluctance for me to actually open up the project and make changes. That said, I genuinely like RealBasic and have found other projects for which it is much better suited. I have a project that makes mosaic versions of photos and does some other filter type effects. This type of project runs in just tolerable times in RealBasic but is too slow in RunRev. I actually used a procedural basic called PureBasic on a version of this and that was blazingly fast, but the overall development environment was much much slower as the language and IDE were simply just a little too different. I would say RunRev is not the best development environment for image processing and without threads you have to be careful in large processing loops to properly use wait with messages, etc. However, if you are crunching text and/or have any background with Hypercard / Supercard then RunRev definitely gets the edge. It also can't be beat if you practice some type of profession such that programming isn't your "all day job" but you do it to create custom tools to make your main work better. Someone the other day mentioned it was an odd duck but very special, and I would agree with that completely. Hope this might be a little helpful, but sometimes you just never can know until you wade in completely... Wayne On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > The most important difference I've found between the two is that the chunk > expressions in RunRev make it much easier to manipulate text. > > --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Richmond wrote: > > > From: Richmond > > Subject: Re: REALBasic vs Revolution > > To: "How to use Revolution" > > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:32 PM > > On 06/05/2010 08:21 PM, Peter Haworth > > wrote: > > > Wondering if anyone has personal experience using REAL > > Basic and Revolution? I did see some discussions on > > this list but they're all pretty old. At first glance, > > REAL Basic appears to provide very similar functionality to > > Revolution and a few things (like a report writer) that > > aren't in Revolution, at least without an extra cost third > > party add-on. > > > > > > Also possible that this isn't an appropriate place for > > such discussions, and I'm fine with that. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Pete Haworth > > > > > > > > > > Have a look at HyperNext: www.tigabyte.com > > > > Based on RealBASIC; 'stacky', and FREE > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 20:53:29 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:53:29 -0500 Subject: Open process woes In-Reply-To: <47633011250.20100605171057@ahsoftware.net> References: <104629263953.20100605160830@ahsoftware.net> <47633011250.20100605171057@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Okay, I'm 95% sure I've figured out the problem, but I'm not quite sure how to fix it... The problem is that when running from the terminal, I have a valid TERM setting ("linux"). However, if I run from the IDE or standalone and I echo $TERM it is set to "dumb". Is there any way for me to set the TERM setting within Rev so I can get this to work? Thanks! Jeff M. From gwolfgang at gaich.de Sat Jun 5 21:38:46 2010 From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G.Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 03:38:46 +0200 Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0AFC26.2060905@gaich.de> Hello Terry, thank you for the tip. But if I set the backcolor for the selectedchunk, blank lines are not affected like they are when the user select several lines. Yes, I'm a bit fussy when I build an UI. Wolfgang Am 06.06.2010 00:17, schrieb Terry Judd: > On 6/06/10 12:02 AM, "G. Wolfgang Gaich" wrote: > > >> One way I tested was to store the selectedChunk in a custom property on >> selectionchanged and when the user has entered the textsize in the >> combobox and presses return or enter the textsize and the selection for >> the selectedchunk (I stored in the custom property) of the field is set. >> But there is a period of time the user doesn't see his selection in the >> textfield. >> >> Is there a way to keep the selection of a textfield visible while the >> focus is on another control? >> > Hi Wolfgang - You can use the backcolor to achieve an 'authentic' selection > effect... > > Set the backcolor of [chunk expression] to the hiliteColor > > Terry... > -- > Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education > Medical Education Unit > Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry& Health Sciences > The University of Melbourne > >> Thank you very much in advance. >> >> Wolfgang >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sat Jun 5 23:04:36 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:04:36 +1000 Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? In-Reply-To: <4C0AFC26.2060905@gaich.de> Message-ID: On 6/06/10 11:38 AM, "G.Wolfgang Gaich" wrote: > Hello Terry, > > thank you for the tip. But if I set the backcolor for the selectedchunk, > blank lines are not affected like they are when the user select several > lines. Yes, I'm a bit fussy when I build an UI. Yes - that's clearly a deficiency of the backcolor approach. There are other methods you could probably try (using overlaid snapshots based on the formattedRect for example) but they are out and out hacks. Terry... -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne > > Wolfgang > > > Am 06.06.2010 00:17, schrieb Terry Judd: >> On 6/06/10 12:02 AM, "G. Wolfgang Gaich" wrote: >> >> >>> One way I tested was to store the selectedChunk in a custom property on >>> selectionchanged and when the user has entered the textsize in the >>> combobox and presses return or enter the textsize and the selection for >>> the selectedchunk (I stored in the custom property) of the field is set. >>> But there is a period of time the user doesn't see his selection in the >>> textfield. >>> >>> Is there a way to keep the selection of a textfield visible while the >>> focus is on another control? >>> >> Hi Wolfgang - You can use the backcolor to achieve an 'authentic' selection >> effect... >> >> Set the backcolor of [chunk expression] to the hiliteColor >> >> Terry... >> -- >> Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education >> Medical Education Unit >> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry& Health Sciences >> The University of Melbourne >> >>> Thank you very much in advance. >>> >>> Wolfgang >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revolution at derbrill.de Sun Jun 6 05:03:52 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:03:52 +0200 Subject: Czech text In-Reply-To: <20100605170004.684A6288065@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100605170004.684A6288065@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Just for the archives in case anyone else stumbles upon the same problem. The issue is a matter of display. The output field requires mixed font settings. If you set the textfont to a polish variant, it sort of works, howwever you end up with some japanese characters for certain character combinations (e.g. ??). So you somehow need to mix the fonts. A brute force method can be this (assuming you know the output is in an east european language): on mouseUp local tArray if numToChar(0) is in field "output" or numToChar(1) is in field "output" then repeat with i=1 to the number of chars of fld "output" -- CZ special chars are UNICODE. 2 bytes. Second Byte appears to be either 0 or 1 in charToNum if charTonum(char i+1 of fld "output")<10 and i+1 < the number of chars of fld "output" then put true into tArray[i] end if end repeat repeat for each key theKey in tArray set the textfont of char theKey to theKey +1 of fld "output" to ",po" end repeat end if end mouseUp Not necessariely pretty, nor really optimal, however, the only solution I found until now. All the best, Malte From rman at free.fr Sun Jun 6 09:37:15 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <7CF7CA56-3B49-4742-B25E-2D00DA387CD2@free.fr> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> <061DEC67-FC3A-4F91-9282-A46F357B8A16@me.com> <1275667761988-2243453.post@n4.nabble.com> <7CF7CA56-3B49-4742-B25E-2D00DA387CD2@free.fr> Message-ID: <1275831435630-2244992.post@n4.nabble.com> was meant to be a private post, sorry about that. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2244992.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Sun Jun 6 09:56:23 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:56:23 +0000 Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is onanother control? In-Reply-To: <4C0A5911.8000307@gaich.de> References: <4C084A38.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> <1275646964092-2242986.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C095F86.8070807@comcast.net><4C09B982.2090105@comcast.net><4C0A5911.8000307@gaich.de> Message-ID: <602079507-1275831783-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-645939603-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Rather than simulating text highlighting, try simulating the change in focus. The actual focus would always stay on the field. However, you could use a custom prop to define a pseudofocus. When that property is set to a different object, like the combo box, then text gets diverted (using key down handler) to that object. It would be tricky, including the need to simulate the blinking text cursor, but it should be doable. Good luck, J Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "G. Wolfgang Gaich" Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:02:57 To: How to use Revolution Subject: To keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? Hi all, I don't know how to manage this: On a card I have a field with text and a combo box. With the combobox the user can change the textsize of the selected text of the textfield. That works good when I set the traversalOn of the combobox to false. The User then can use the menu of the combobox while the selection in the textfield keeps visible. But when I set the traversalOn of the combobox to true, so that the user can manually enter a textsize in the field part of the combobox, the selection in the textfield disappears because the textfield lost its focus. One way I tested was to store the selectedChunk in a custom property on selectionchanged and when the user has entered the textsize in the combobox and presses return or enter the textsize and the selection for the selectedchunk (I stored in the custom property) of the field is set. But there is a period of time the user doesn't see his selection in the textfield. Is there a way to keep the selection of a textfield visible while the focus is on another control? I hope you understand my request despite my poor english. Thank you very much in advance. Wolfgang _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Jun 6 12:52:50 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:52:50 -0700 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables - revUp 93 Message-ID: <4C0BD262.5090108@fourthworld.com> Robert Earp wrote: > I'm concerned that readers of the article, especially new people to > Rev and scripting, will now stay away from global variables, which > would be a shame as they are extremely valuable. I believe the crux > of the Olivers concerns about global variables is one of scripting > practices and project documentation, rather than global variables > themselves. > > There's absolutely nothing wrong with global variables, in fact I much > prefer them to other means of storing data especially when wishing to > access that data across multiple stacks and/or locations. Global > variables are truly global, and as such save an awful lot of > addressing problems which ends up in simpler script. But I do agree > in using custom properties of objects, or groups, when the data truly > refers to something associated with the object/group. Thank you for that, Bob. There is indeed a stigma against global variables, and while a good many programmers continue to argue against their use nearly every language they use supports them. I doubt the designers of programming languages are all so wrong. Like you noted, there's a place for globals, and it's also true that globals can be abused, just as custom props and other containers can be abused. Rather than lead newcomers down the dogma road of avoiding globals altogether, it would be more helpful to assist them in distinguishing when they are useful. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From massung at gmail.com Sun Jun 6 13:05:33 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:05:33 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables - revUp 93 In-Reply-To: <4C0BD262.5090108@fourthworld.com> References: <4C0BD262.5090108@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Global variables are far from bad. Ages ago, back in the 8-bit and 16-bit CPU days, global variables were cursed because they required crossing segment boundaries (64K each), which causes numerous performance hitches. No such problem exists today. In fact, global variables can actually be a performance boost when accessed properly because if you use them in lock-step they may all end up being in L1/2 cache. Then academia became involved and global variables were stigmatized due to a thought that they lead to poor programming practices. Yes, there are those who use them inappropriately (read: for everything). But without global variables we wouldn't have dynamic extent or scope, which are incredibly powerful tools at our disposal as programmers. The rule of thumb is simple: don't let data extend outside the scope in which it is intended. If you have a loop variable, it's local to the function that contains it. If you have a function, it's extent is likely the module it's contained in (in Rev's case, keep functions that act on multiple controls at the card level... and functions that act on cards at the stack level, etc). As Richard noted: dogma is a bad thing. Understand the problem, understand the solution. Don't complicate the solution... instead, try and simplify the problem. Use the tool that best helps you to get the job done. Make it work, then go back and make it right. Then go back again and make it fast. Jeff M. From massung at gmail.com Sun Jun 6 13:52:33 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:52:33 -0500 Subject: Changing environment variables Message-ID: Is there a way for me to change the environment variables my Rev app is running with? Note: shell() doesn't work because it will only modify the environment for that spawned shell process. If there is no way to do this, *please* let this be a feature in 4.5 or 5.0. It's very useful. ;-) Jeff M. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sun Jun 6 14:17:18 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:17:18 -0700 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables - revUp 93 In-Reply-To: References: <4C0BD262.5090108@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <55DCE2B9-08CE-4943-89EB-DCF80027A5C2@yahoo.com> My experience with people who are new to a language or new to programming tend to simplify or "round off" their efforts and produce the following: Use globals as a short cut to passing parameters because it is simpler Develop programming patterns that mean they use the same global names Forget that globals are owned by Rev, not the stack(s) Lose track of how many script containers touch and change the same global Try to reuse globals, thinking that they will just keep track of clearing the global variable when they need to. I used to be leader of the Advance Hypercard Special Interest Group back in the day. The global naming was particularly problematic when a school teacher decided to jump in and do their own grade book and used: global mySelectedStudent -- as one declaration, without the 'g' prefix -- then in field scripts, etc used put "Tom Jones" into mySelectedStudent -- forgetting to declare the global at the top of the script container -- or forgetting they had declared it and it already had a value -- or forgetting that the global value was supposed to be line 5 of field "studentList" -- and defined it as the string "Tommy Smith" -- thus dueling data formats This became worse when they tried to employ "stacks in use", which meant that many globals became hidden library instances. Now the globals were not even in the same stack or logical project. They had a fighting chance if they were the authors of the 'stacks in use', but not when they acquired the stacks of others. Our Hypercard group actually designed some scripts to map the globals and look for duplicate locals or missing global declarations. Script locals were not a feature of Hypercard. If the 'g' prefix were not used, mapping was essential for finding 'cross-wiring' (as we called it). Hypercard was designed to run across hard drives and computers, so now globals became more difficult. You had a choice to navigate and use the remote environment or keep using your own. Remember the days of "Go Recent", "Pop Card" ? On an AppleTalk network, like a classroom, this could lead to significant degrees of anarchy. The students would use the same global names as the instructor, but for different tasks. I found that most new programmers, including me, had challenges with the scope of variables. Certainly experienced programmers have mastered the use of global variables and developed work patterns to use them wisely, thus they have become a valuable tool. To the new programmer, they create extra bugs that are more difficult to find and fix. There was one programming student who could not understand that globals were persistent, even if he closed his stack. He would leave Hypercard running all the time, no matter which stacks he was developing or exploring. Opening someone else's stack created variables you did not know about. You can imagine at the end of 4 weeks how many globals were safely nestled into his application memory. It was a clan of somewhat- related variables, most were of his own creation. After all, part of the thrill of Hypercard was seeing all the wonderful stacks built by others. Our Hypercard group rule was if your stacks were for distribution, sharing, and fun, don't use globals (or use unique names). Hope this adds to the discussion by looking back to the beginning of the Hypercard-space-time continuum and the universal nature of globals and their nebulae. Jim Ault Las Vegas From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Jun 6 14:44:09 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:44:09 -0500 Subject: Changing environment variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0BEC79.20401@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Is there a way for me to change the environment variables my Rev app is > running with? Note: shell() doesn't work because it will only modify the > environment for that spawned shell process. I'm not sure if this will help or not, but you can define any new environment variable if you include the "$" as the first character. For example: put "foo" into $VAR That gives a new environment variable named "$VAR". I'm assuming you can change the content of any existing environment variable the same way, by just putting something new into the variable. I haven't worked with this much though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From cszasz at mac.com Sun Jun 6 15:12:16 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards Message-ID: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> I have a series of marked cards that have many checkboxes. I want to reset the checkboxes to true when the user before an user enters new data. Any scripting suggestions about how to reset checkboxes on marked cards to true? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Resetting-checkboxes-to-true-on-marked-cards-tp2245212p2245212.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Jun 6 15:18:56 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:18:56 +0200 Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards In-Reply-To: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8008F2BC-2520-44AF-A718-3C817A3BB13E@economy-x-talk.com> Charles, I didn't test it but what you need should look like this: repeat with x = 1 to number of marked cards set the hilite of btn "foo" of marked cd x to false end repeat -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 6 jun 2010, at 21:12, charles61 wrote: > > I have a series of marked cards that have many checkboxes. I want to > reset > the checkboxes to true when the user before an user enters new data. > Any > scripting suggestions about how to reset checkboxes on marked cards > to true? From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun Jun 6 15:21:40 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:21:40 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo pre-released; has its own list now! Message-ID: <04E6913C-4732-4D9D-80AC-537A138F80EC@me.com> Dudes and Dudettes... I promised we'd get our own list so we wouldn't harsh any Zen here in revLand, so you'll see a link to our discussion list below. We've also officially pre-released Rodeo via our completely re-vamped site! Check out the links directly below for the deets. http://rodeoapps.com/what-is-rodeo http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer Feel free to groove about the cabin and tweet us at will. Best, Jerry, Sarah & MJ Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sun Jun 6 15:41:40 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:41:40 -0700 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution (Michael Kann) In-Reply-To: <20100606134259.E7449288027@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100606134259.E7449288027@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the input. As usual, sounds like it comes down to a matter of the application and personal preferences. I've spent perhaps 30 minutes looking over Real Studio and what has caught my eye so far is the report writer, as previously mentioned, what looks like very well organised documentation (which for me is a major problem area in Revolution), and IDE that feels more comfortable to me, and at first glance, functionality that is at least equivalent to Revolution. Small things catch my eye, like placing controls on a tabbed control automatically makes them visible/invisible when a tab is clicked on without having to mess with groups as in Revolution. Lynn, you mentioned several third party report writers for Rev. I'm aware of Quartum but could you point me to any others? The lack of built-in report writing capabilities in Rev is a major issue for me. Once again, thanks to all for the valuable input. I'm probably not going to switch to Real Studio at this point, I've got too many development hours invested in my Revolution app, but when I start my next app I think I will try Real Studio out to see what it can do. Pete Haworth -------------- next part -------------- http://www.mollysrevenge.com http://www.sonicbids.com/MollysRevenge http://www.myspace.com/mollysrevengeband On Jun 6, 2010, at 6:42 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Re: REALBasic vs Revolution (Michael Kann) From cszasz at mac.com Sun Jun 6 15:54:53 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards In-Reply-To: <8008F2BC-2520-44AF-A718-3C817A3BB13E@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> <8008F2BC-2520-44AF-A718-3C817A3BB13E@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <805C04FF-959A-46CD-A2BF-6D12E4D924D8@mac.com> Hi Mark! Thanks! I used your suggestion to come up with the following to loop through the cards and buttons: on mouseUp repeat with x = 1 to number of marked cards repeat with y = 1 to number of buttons if the hilite of button y is true then set the hilite of btn y to false end if end repeat end repeat It works on one card. I am testing it on multiple cards now. Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 6, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mark Schonewille-3 [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > Charles, > > I didn't test it but what you need should look like this: > > repeat with x = 1 to number of marked cards > set the hilite of btn "foo" of marked cd x to false > end repeat > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 6 jun 2010, at 21:12, charles61 wrote: > > > > > I have a series of marked cards that have many checkboxes. I want to > > reset > > the checkboxes to true when the user before an user enters new data. > > Any > > scripting suggestions about how to reset checkboxes on marked cards > > to true? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Resetting-checkboxes-to-true-on-marked-cards-tp2245212p2245216.html > To unsubscribe from Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Resetting-checkboxes-to-true-on-marked-cards-tp2245212p2245237.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Sun Jun 6 15:55:05 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:55:05 EDT Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards Message-ID: <1beed.2ddf3a06.393d5719@aol.com> Mark probably missed the fact you have many checkboxes on each card. repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds repeat with u = 1 to the number of btns of marked cd y if the style of btn u of marked cd y = "checkBox" then set the hilite of btn u of marked cd y to "false" end repeat end repeat Not tested, but the idea is sound. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun Jun 6 16:00:23 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:00:23 -0700 Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution (Michael Kann) In-Reply-To: References: <20100606134259.E7449288027@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <86662DF146E34F99A0D0C560E0AE7474@GATEWAY> > Thanks for all the input. As usual, sounds like it comes > down to a matter of the application and personal preferences. > I've spent perhaps 30 minutes looking over Real Studio and > what has caught my eye so far is the report writer, as > previously mentioned, what looks like very well organised > documentation (which for me is a major problem area in > Revolution), and IDE that feels more comfortable to me, and > at first glance, functionality that is at least equivalent to > Revolution. Small things catch my eye, like placing controls > on a tabbed control automatically makes them > visible/invisible when a tab is clicked on without having to > mess with groups as in Revolution. > > Lynn, you mentioned several third party report writers for > Rev. I'm aware of Quartum but could you point me to any > others? The lack of built-in report writing capabilities in > Rev is a major issue for me. Paradigma Software sells Valentina for Revolution, and Valentina Reports for Revolution (we also sell versions for REALbasic as well) - http://www.valentina-db.com. You build reports in Valentina Studio Pro, then save the reports as projects. Those projects can work with the Reports runtime. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Jun 6 16:05:14 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:05:14 +0200 Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards In-Reply-To: <805C04FF-959A-46CD-A2BF-6D12E4D924D8@mac.com> References: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> <8008F2BC-2520-44AF-A718-3C817A3BB13E@economy-x-talk.com> <805C04FF-959A-46CD-A2BF-6D12E4D924D8@mac.com> Message-ID: <4F9A30DD-22E0-47AF-9D2A-1B8859565132@economy-x-talk.com> Charles, You can simply delete that if-then structure. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 6 jun 2010, at 21:54, charles61 wrote: > > Hi Mark! > > Thanks! I used your suggestion to come up with the following to loop > through the cards and buttons: > > on mouseUp > repeat with x = 1 to number of marked cards > repeat with y = 1 to number of buttons > if the hilite of button y is true then > set the hilite of btn y to false > end if > end repeat > end repeat > > It works on one card. I am testing it on multiple cards now. > > Charles Szasz > cszasz at mac.com From cszasz at mac.com Sun Jun 6 16:14:02 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards In-Reply-To: <1beed.2ddf3a06.393d5719@aol.com> References: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> <1beed.2ddf3a06.393d5719@aol.com> Message-ID: Dunbarx Thanks! Your suggestion is better than the one I posted a few moments ago. My script only work on one card because I did not add clarity for the buttons being on the marked cards. Thanks Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 6, 2010, at 3:55 PM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > Mark probably missed the fact you have many checkboxes on each card. > > repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds > repeat with u = 1 to the number of btns of marked cd y > if the style of btn u of marked cd y = "checkBox" then set the hilite > of btn u of marked cd y to "false" > end repeat > end repeat > > Not tested, but the idea is sound. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Resetting-checkboxes-to-true-on-marked-cards-tp2245212p2245239.html > To unsubscribe from Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Resetting-checkboxes-to-true-on-marked-cards-tp2245212p2245246.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From massung at gmail.com Sun Jun 6 16:17:15 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:17:15 -0500 Subject: Changing environment variables In-Reply-To: <4C0BEC79.20401@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C0BEC79.20401@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Jacque, that's perfect. Thanks. Sadly, it doesn't fix my problem, but it's a closer step. ;-) Jeff M. From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sun Jun 6 17:53:37 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:53:37 -0700 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones Message-ID: Not again, I can hear some people saying! I've just run into this long standing issue in the context of needing to save the filepath to my database across runs of Revolution and also various other settings I need to save which are currently in custom properties. I'm not concerned about saving my applications data across runs because I'm using an sqlite database for that. The stuff I need to preserve is more in the way of internal settings. I'd prefer to leave them in custom properties if I can because storing them elsewhere will entail a substantial amount of work to find all the places in my code where I set and get custom properties and replace the logic with something else. I've searched the list archives and the discussion forums and also read Sarah Reicheldt's revJournal article and Mark Wieders Conference presentation and still somewhat confused by the solutions to this. The most common solution seems to be to create a single stack .rev file that does nothing except invoke the real .rev file and use it as the basis for the build of the standalone app. But then I see mentions of that being a problem because of the lack of write access to the Applications folder (I'm primarily concerned with Macs) so I look at the permission on my Applications folder and I have full read and write access to it and the standalone Rev app so am I missing something? Then there's the issue of how to implement that solution. I see that Sarah's article recommends using the "Move substacks into individual files" option which Mark also describes but then advises against because of message passing hierarchy problems. So should use that option or not? And if I do, how do I open the mainstack of my real .rev file? go stack URL or can I just go stack? I'm also concerned about what seems to be a huge support issue. If I understand this method correctly, the .rev file containing the real application will be just that, a .rev file not a compiled application. If that's true what's to stop a user of my application who owns Revolution from changing my application code? And then I ran across a post on the forum concerning a complication with this approach related to how to get the datagrid library included in the app. There's a fairly simple workaround for it but now I'm wondering what other issues of that nature there might be. How about the database library for example? And right now, I insert a couple of front scripts into my app - should that logic stay in the real application or be moved to the single stack application? So pity this poor unsuspecting user that thought the IDE might perhaps warn him if he tried to do something that absolutely would not work in a standalone application, or perhaps expected that an attempt to save something that couldn't be saved would at least throw an error in a standalone application, and believed the user guide section on building standalones which states "All of Revolution's feature set is available in a standalone application", followed by a couple of exceptions which don't include the fact that you can't save data in them, and the section on global variables that notes that you can't save them across runs and recommends, amongst other things, saving them in a custom property if you need to do that. Help! Pete Haworth From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Jun 6 18:00:25 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 00:00:25 +0200 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F86D5C9-A487-4444-A5ED-D11908434810@economy-x-talk.com> Peter, Just make sure that you write to a directory for which you have permissions. Not the system directory or the application directory, but preferably the documents directory or the preferences directory. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 6 jun 2010, at 23:53, Peter Haworth wrote: > Not again, I can hear some people saying! > From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Jun 6 20:03:41 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:03:41 -0700 Subject: Resetting checkboxes to true on marked cards In-Reply-To: <8008F2BC-2520-44AF-A718-3C817A3BB13E@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1275851536744-2245212.post@n4.nabble.com> <8008F2BC-2520-44AF-A718-3C817A3BB13E@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Also, I believe you can write: unhilite btn foo Instead of: set the hilite of btn foo to false Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Charles, > > I didn't test it but what you need should look like this: > > repeat with x = 1 to number of marked cards > set the hilite of btn "foo" of marked cd x to false > end repeat > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 6 jun 2010, at 21:12, charles61 wrote: > >> >> I have a series of marked cards that have many checkboxes. I want to reset >> the checkboxes to true when the user before an user enters new data. Any >> scripting suggestions about how to reset checkboxes on marked cards to true? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rman at free.fr Sun Jun 6 20:57:24 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275872244786-2245382.post@n4.nabble.com> What format are the original audio files? I use mp3 that I import as videoclips instead of audio clips But I have not tested this on vista... Some windows platform might not treat aiff files as naturally as wave. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Abysmal-Sound-on-Windows-tp2243899p2245382.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Jun 6 22:48:21 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:48:21 -0700 Subject: Abysmal Sound on Windows? In-Reply-To: <1275872244786-2245382.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275872244786-2245382.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: As far as I know, Rev will not be able to play those imported files unless QuickTime is installed. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Jun 6, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > What format are the original audio files? > > I use mp3 that I import as videoclips instead of audio clips > > But I have not tested this on vista... > > Some windows platform might not treat aiff files as naturally as wave. > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Abysmal-Sound-on-Windows-tp2243899p2245382.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From cszasz at mac.com Sun Jun 6 22:55:42 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> I have the following script to clear fields on marked cards: on mouseUp repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cards repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y if the short name of field u CONTAINS "field" then put empty into field u end repeat end repeat end mouseUp The script clears the empty fields on the marked card that has the Clear button but it will not clear the fields on the next marked card. This sample stack consists of two cards. This is weird! I am using Rev Enterprise 4.0. Any suggestions? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2245427.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mark.hausmann at jessenlenz.com Sun Jun 6 23:01:17 2010 From: mark.hausmann at jessenlenz.com (mark.hausmann at jessenlenz.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 04:01:17 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?AUTO=3A_Mark_Hausmann/jl1_ist_au=DFer_Haus=2E_=28?= =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCckkehr_am_02=2E07=2E2010=29?= Message-ID: Ich bin bis 02.07.2010 abwesend Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner R?ckkehr beantworten. In dringenden F?llen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Kollegen Horst Strohkirch, email: horst.strohkirch at pdap.de Hinweis: Dies ist eine automatische Antwort auf Ihre Nachricht "Re: Saving Data in Standalones" gesendet am 06.06.2010 23:00:25. 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From scott at elementarysoftware.com Sun Jun 6 23:25:18 2010 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:25:18 -0700 Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I think you just need to specify the card that the target field is on: if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email scott at elementarysoftware.com office 1-800-360-734-4701 ------------------------------------------------------ On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:55 PM, charles61 wrote: > > I have the following script to clear fields on marked cards: > > on mouseUp > repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cards > repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y > if the short name of field u CONTAINS "field" then put empty into > field u > end repeat > end repeat > end mouseUp > > The script clears the empty fields on the marked card that has the Clear > button but it will not clear the fields on the next marked card. This sample > stack consists of two cards. This is weird! I am using Rev Enterprise 4.0. > Any suggestions? > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2245427.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Jun 6 23:41:36 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:41:36 -0700 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <121732049781.20100606204136@ahsoftware.net> Pete- Sunday, June 6, 2010, 2:53:37 PM, you wrote: > Help! You covered a lot of issues there. I see Mark S. has addressed one of them already. Here's some more. One of these is easy: if you want to prevent a rev script from being loaded, poked into, and modified then set a password on the stack before distributing it. I don't recommend doing this during normal development work because it's a PITA to have to enter a password every time you want to look at a script. But doing that before sending it out into the world will keep it from prying eyes. You can't save a running application. This isn't a limitation of rev, but of the OS. There's no modern OS that will let you modify a running app. I realize you've internalized that already, so here are some ramifications of that concept: you can modify global and local variables and save custom properties all you want, but you can't save them to disk because they're part of your application; if your app is resizeable you can resize it but the changes aren't sticky - the next time you launch it will be the same size as the previous launch. If you want to make changes that are persistent for the next launch of the app you have some options. You can save the preferences to a text file and read them back in at launch time. This is easy to do (remember to save the file somewhere you have write permissions for) and allows for editing the preferences file with a text editor outside the IDE if the need arises. You could also save the preferences in any other format you wanted (xml, xls, etc): it's just a file. For Windows and OSX systems you can use specialFolderPath("Preferences") to find a safe place to store preferences. You can save custom properties in a substack *as long as that substack is a separate file from your mainstack*. This gets around the OS limitation of modifying the running application because you're not; you're modifying a different file. If your substack is part of your mainstack and not a separate file then your changes won't be permanent. I use both of these approaches (saving a prefs text file and saving a prefs stack) in different situations. As far as I know, there's no Best Practices pattern for one over the other. You *can* tell the standalone builder to make the substacks separate files in the build phase. This will get around the problem sometimes. You do have to remember to load the substack into memory in order to have access to it. And that's why I don't recommend that approach. A better approach would be to have the substacks separate files to begin with - in that case the way you use substacks during development is the same as the way you use them in your standalone. You don't have the situation of a stack/substack system working fine in the IDE and then failing in a standalone because you haven't loaded the substacks properly. I do think it's a good idea to try to avoid surprises when you deploy a standalone application, and having a stack in the IDE behave like a stack in a standalone is one way to stay out of trouble. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 01:23:15 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 00:23:15 -0500 Subject: Silly Problem Message-ID: Hey folks, I know that I can center my application stack like this: set the loc of me to the screenLoc ...but what's the proper way of centering a sub stack (about box, preference stack, etc) to the position of my main stack, wherever it may be on the screen? I'm pretty sure I've been down this path before but the answer, however simple it may be, somehow eludes me. Best regards, David C. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 01:34:19 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:34:19 +1000 Subject: Silly Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David C. wrote: > Hey folks, > I know that I can center my application stack like this: > > set the loc of me to the screenLoc > > ...but what's the proper way of centering a sub stack (about box, > preference stack, etc) to the position of my main stack, wherever it > may be on the screen? I'm pretty sure I've been down this path before > but the answer, however simple it may be, somehow eludes me. set the loc of me to the loc of stack "Main" Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 01:39:10 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:39:10 +0800 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > I'm not concerned about saving my applications data across runs because I'm > using an sqlite database for that. The stuff I need to preserve is more in > the way of internal settings. I'd prefer to leave them in custom properties > if I can because storing them elsewhere will entail a substantial amount of > work to find all the places in my code where I set and get custom properties > and replace the logic with something else. > > Have you considered using sqlite to do the same? Create a separate table that contains the internal settings you need to save then on preOpenCard/preOpenStack pull this data first, stuff it into your customProps and then proceed with the normal start-up process of your app. You could* use setProp handlers to catch every time a custom property is changed, and issue an UPDATE myPrefTable SET myCustProp = "purple people eater" to sqlite via an revExecuteSQL command to ensure the db was synced to the customProps. It's a pity we can't use wild card characters in setProp calls; imagine how easy it would be to set up a generic: setProp (*+), newValue --assuming *+ is captured and put into it put it into myCustProp revExecuteSQL myDBid, "UPDATE myPrefTable SET " & myCustProp & "= " & quote & newValue & quote pass setProp end setProp (*+) Some bright spark here will hopefully point out you can already do that, but as far as I'm aware you'll have to write a setProp handler for every customProp you want to save into sqlite. *Other options are to do a global search for all instances of "set the" and go through and add the extra revExecuteSQL command inline with your other statements, or, if you are not worried about keeping the apps state if it crashes, you could just once save the customProps to your sqlite db on closeStack. Just a thought. HTH From tbandi at swissonline.ch Mon Jun 7 04:41:25 2010 From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:41:25 +0200 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A5AE076-4984-43B6-93E1-107EFD84FB8F@swissonline.ch> Yes. To make a good chart is not easy (experience with excel) - now there is Chartmaker with it's wizard (chartmaker utility) which helps making charts a step by step process and at the end you have a script you can use in your own stack. A great learning experience and a great tool! Till Bandi Am 05.06.2010 um 21:19 schrieb Yves COPPE: > > Le 05-juin-10 ? 10:36, Hugh Senior a ?crit : > > > Hi list > > I'm a Chartmaker user an I may say it's a fantastic tool > I recommand that you try or test the chartmaker tool with the chart utility stack : you will be convinced > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > yvescoppe at skynet.be > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:22 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:48:22 -0500 Subject: Silly Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > set the loc of me to the loc of stack "Main" As always, thanks for the help Sarah. What I had been trying was the same as in your example, yet neither of our scripts worked for me! I had no confidence in my own code, which is why I finally posted my question, but when *your* code didn't work Sarah, I knew there had to be other problems... As it turns out, both scripts were correct, but I had forgotten about a small handler I was testing with the sub stack that did not get removed: on closeStackRequest set the visible of me to false end closeStackRequest The sub stack would work once, the first time the app was run, but after that the preOpenStack handler was being bypassed completely because the sub stack was never properly closed. ...another self inflicted coding wound. Best regards, David C. From cszasz at mac.com Mon Jun 7 10:22:33 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <47AB9967-645D-4D3B-91D9-F1A5042ECBE5@mac.com> Scott, Thanks very much for your suggestion! Your script works! Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 6, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Scott Morrow [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > I think you just need to specify the card that the target field is on: > > if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y > > Scott Morrow > > Elementary Software > (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) > web http://elementarysoftware.com/ > email [hidden email] > office 1-800-360-734-4701 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:55 PM, charles61 wrote: > > > > > I have the following script to clear fields on marked cards: > > > > on mouseUp > > repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cards > > repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y > > if the short name of field u CONTAINS "field" then put empty into > > field u > > end repeat > > end repeat > > end mouseUp > > > > The script clears the empty fields on the marked card that has the Clear > > button but it will not clear the fields on the next marked card. This sample > > stack consists of two cards. This is weird! I am using Rev Enterprise 4.0. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2245427.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > [hidden email] > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2245442.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2246008.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From h at FlexibleLearning.com Mon Jun 7 10:40:03 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:40:03 +0100 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: <20100607142226.CF77428818E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: The elementary scripting error in ChartMaker's Playground 1 stack has now been corrected. It can be downloaded at www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk /H Till Bandi wrote: Yes. To make a good chart is not easy (experience with excel) - now there is Chartmaker with it's wizard (chartmaker utility) which helps making charts a step by step process and at the end you have a script you can use in your own stack. A great learning experience and a great tool! Till Bandi Am 05.06.2010 um 21:19 schrieb Yves COPPE: > Hi list > > I'm a Chartmaker user an I may say it's a fantastic tool > I recommand that you try or test the chartmaker tool with the chart utility stack : you will be convinced > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > yvescoppe at skynet.be From cszasz at mac.com Mon Jun 7 11:19:08 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275923948362-2246112.post@n4.nabble.com> Scott, I spoke too soon about your code. It not clears the fields but it also clears the labels of fields! So, I need to do some more work with it. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2246112.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Jun 7 11:30:16 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:30:16 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: <24090.325f943c.393e6a88@aol.com> Labels of the field? Buttons have labels, but fields don't. When you run your script, the contents of the field are emptied. What else is also? Craig Newman In a message dated 6/7/10 11:19:18 AM, cszasz at mac.com writes: > > I spoke too soon about your code. It not clears the fields but it also > clears the labels of fields! So, I need to do some more work with it. > From cszasz at mac.com Mon Jun 7 11:51:47 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <24090.325f943c.393e6a88@aol.com> References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> <24090.325f943c.393e6a88@aol.com> Message-ID: Dunbarx In addition to the data entry fields being cleared, the name of the label fields are changed to field "label field". Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > Labels of the field? > > Buttons have labels, but fields don't. When you run your script, the > contents of the field are emptied. What else is also? > > Craig Newman > > > In a message dated 6/7/10 11:19:18 AM, [hidden email] writes: > > > > > > I spoke too soon about your code. It not clears the fields but it also > > clears the labels of fields! So, I need to do some more work with it. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2246133.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2246176.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Jun 7 11:51:29 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:51:29 -0600 Subject: combo box messages In-Reply-To: References: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <6BEA95E5-28BC-4C23-9966-550C79F21105@byu.edu> On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:07 PM, David C. wrote: >> A problem was posted to the forums. SomeOne wanted to type text into a >> field, and have that text dynamically located among the lines of another >> scrolling list field such that closer and closer matches are found as the text >> entry gets longer. > > > I put together a very simple stack that "kind of" does what he was looking for: > http://www.docstoolchest.com/Predictive.rev > > It's a bit "hackish" with the hidden fields and can probably be coded > more elegantly, but filtering the text seems to do pretty well in my > testing with Win 7. Although I haven't done so, you can probably grab > the coordinates for the cursor position and have it pop up along side > each time. I have a stack that does this on revOnline. Look for a stack called "Type with Filter". Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From pete at mollysrevenge.com Mon Jun 7 12:01:59 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:01:59 -0700 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <20100607142226.CF77428818E@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100607142226.CF77428818E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <0A97E9DA-A6E7-4742-ACBF-D7C37AF4AAB8@mollysrevenge.com> Thanks for all the suggestions folks. I've already set up a preferences file and rewritten the code that opens my db to get it's path from there and store the path there if a different db is opened and all works well. Thanks to Sarah Reicheldt for the function that returns the user's Preferences folder on OSX or Windows. I have a bunch of other preferences that I'm currently storing in custom properties and plan to convert the handling of them to use the preferences file also. As an aside, I did come across a couple of other gotchas in the course of implementing that. I read that opening a file for write access will create it if it doesn't already exist. Perfect I thought, then was mystified that it wasn't happening until I scrolled down the dictionary entry and found a user comment that files are NOT created if their enclosing folder does not exist. Mark, thanks for the idea of passwording my stack to avoid the possible unauthorised modification of it. I'm thinking I'm probably being somewhat paranoid on that front but it could happen. I also like your idea of keeping the substacks in separate files right from the development stage for the reason you mention - that it avoids the standalone being run/tested in a different environment than in development. Kay, thanks for the suggestion of saving things in my sqlite database. I had indeed thought of that and I may still go ahead with that approach. The main reason I haven't just jumped in and done it already is the one you referred to which is the considerable amount of coding changes I'd need to make. Plus the db designer in me is baulking at the idea of storing real application data and internal data in the same db but I guess I could overcome that or even use a separate db. The only thing I'm still unsure of is this whole issue of the Applications folder not being enabled for write access. On my Mac (OSX 10.5), i have read and write access to the Applications folder but this keeps coming up which makes me wonder if my Mac is not configured in the standard way. I don;t recall ever changing the permissions on the Applications folder, but it is possible. Don't want to assume my Applications folder is set up normally and then find that everything falls down when other people try to run the app. Pete Haworth From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Jun 7 12:05:21 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:05:21 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: <2735a.1af92744.393e72c1@aol.com> Ah, I see what you mean. But the "label" in a label field is just the contents of that field. It isn't a separate property as in a button, and I don't think there are any properties that distinguish this control from an ordinary field. This even though it is a separate object in the tools palette. I could be wrong, of course. But you can distinguish these fields easily. Why not set a custom property in all your fields called "isLabel"? Set that property of all the label fields to "true", and all other fields to "false". Then you can add a check in your script to see if the property is "true" or not. In a message dated 6/7/10 11:51:54 AM, cszasz at mac.com writes: > Dunbarx > > In addition to the data entry fields being cleared, the name of the label > fields are changed to field "label field". > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Jun 7 12:06:27 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:06:27 +0200 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <0A97E9DA-A6E7-4742-ACBF-D7C37AF4AAB8@mollysrevenge.com> References: <20100607142226.CF77428818E@mail.runrev.com> <0A97E9DA-A6E7-4742-ACBF-D7C37AF4AAB8@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <4D63DBD4-4428-40E3-9953-B35C3D157C86@economy-x-talk.com> Pete, Probably, you log in on your Mac with admin privileges. That gives you write access to the applications folder. The guest account (Mac OS X 10.5 and later) and limited accounts don't have write access for the applications folder and several other folders. That's why you should avoid writing to those folders. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 7 jun 2010, at 18:01, Peter Haworth wrote: > The only thing I'm still unsure of is this whole issue of the > Applications folder not being enabled for write access. On my Mac > (OSX 10.5), i have read and write access to the Applications folder > but this keeps coming up which makes me wonder if my Mac is not > configured in the standard way. I don;t recall ever changing the > permissions on the Applications folder, but it is possible. Don't > want to assume my Applications folder is set up normally and then > find that everything falls down when other people try to run the app. > > Pete Haworth From cszasz at mac.com Mon Jun 7 12:06:56 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <2735a.1af92744.393e72c1@aol.com> References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> <2735a.1af92744.393e72c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <6F091C85-922B-4F21-B364-012F7454D523@mac.com> Dunbarx Thanks! I will try your suggestion! Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:05 PM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > Ah, I see what you mean. > > But the "label" in a label field is just the contents of that field. It > isn't a separate property as in a button, and I don't think there are any > properties that distinguish this control from an ordinary field. This even though > it is a separate object in the tools palette. I could be wrong, of course. > > But you can distinguish these fields easily. Why not set a custom property > in all your fields called "isLabel"? Set that property of all the label > fields to "true", and all other fields to "false". > > Then you can add a check in your script to see if the property is "true" or > not. > > > In a message dated 6/7/10 11:51:54 AM, [hidden email] writes: > > > > Dunbarx > > > > In addition to the data entry fields being cleared, the name of the label > > fields are changed to field "label field". > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2246202.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2246209.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Jun 7 12:54:46 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:54:46 -0300 Subject: Call for Participants: Rev Coding Sprint 2010 Message-ID: Hello Fellow RevCoders and RevCodettes, I plan to organize a single day or two day coding sprint early or middle july to celebrate the month of july or any other reason. WHAT WILL THIS SPRINT BE? We'll gather over the internet and will code some nice stuff for the community. We'll divide ourselves into little groups and focus on some area of interest according to each other interests. We'll release everything when the sprint end. I will put a little site online for us to sign up and collaborate (it will be revlet based so that I can code this in 2 hours instead of a month). In this site the teams will share stuff, code and if they want, they will maintain some microblogging about the experience. It will be terribly FUN, people will meet & talk & code and in the end we'll have some new resources. WHAT THE TEAMS WILL BE? I have no clue, I will put an interface up so that you can create or join a team. I for one want to be on the "Let's build an Standard Library" team where we'll focus on what to do and how to promote the library created by the Rev Interop Group but the idea is that a little anarchy is good, you'll be able to create a team and then, you and your team have 24h or 48h to produce something, the idea is that the projects should be quite small but useful, for example, building a simple installer stack that one could make standalones and use as an application installer on windows, mac and linux. HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? Nothing! WHY SHOULD I PARTICIPATE ON THIS? We'll be running a reward program and all who participate are eligible for the benefits. The reward will be in the form of Karma Bonus which in plain english means that creating FOSS software for revolution will make the world better and your life better too. It will be a single day or two days for the teams who need more time, just a weekend. Imagine on friday there's nothing, on monday there are wonderful new and useful resources!!! I will organize this even if I have no one to play with, I am pretty creative and I can make voices so, if no one joins I can fake some participants and have some kind of schizophrenic fun while I boss myself while coding. Cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Jun 7 13:51:17 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:51:17 -0300 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables - revUp 93 In-Reply-To: <4C0BD262.5090108@fourthworld.com> References: <4C0BD262.5090108@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Here is an excerpt of Andre Alves Garzia Global Guidelines: Don't use them, they pollute the environment and can cause collisions. Explanation: First, anyone can write to a global variable, any stack running at the same engine can write there, so if you do a lot of work inside the IDE for example, using globals is not safe, by not safe I don't mean it will break things but that your global might be overwritten by some other stack and you will not know it or be able to control it. There's hardly a case where you can't replace it with a script local variable. Script local variables are much like globals except for the fact that they are not. They are only shared at script level and that is most of the cases where you need variable sharing anyway. If you want to share data across different scripts, then your best option is using functions because they enable abstraction and encapsulation of your code and are safer than globals since the underlining implementation of the data you're storing is abstracted away which makes reusing or refactoring simpler. In the cases where you have absolute control over the environment, then, you can use globals as a simple way of sharing data structures. Usually for these cases it is better to create a single global as an array and write to a single variable, this makes debugging easier. Better to have a single array with 50 entries than 50 globals. For example, one place where globals are king is RevServer another place where globals should not be used is on Rev IDE Plugins. On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Robert Earp wrote: > > I'm concerned that readers of the article, especially new people to >> Rev and scripting, will now stay away from global variables, which >> would be a shame as they are extremely valuable. I believe the crux >> of the Olivers concerns about global variables is one of scripting >> practices and project documentation, rather than global variables >> themselves. >> >> There's absolutely nothing wrong with global variables, in fact I much >> prefer them to other means of storing data especially when wishing to >> access that data across multiple stacks and/or locations. Global >> variables are truly global, and as such save an awful lot of >> addressing problems which ends up in simpler script. But I do agree >> in using custom properties of objects, or groups, when the data truly >> refers to something associated with the object/group. >> > > Thank you for that, Bob. > > There is indeed a stigma against global variables, and while a good many > programmers continue to argue against their use nearly every language they > use supports them. I doubt the designers of programming languages are all > so wrong. > > Like you noted, there's a place for globals, and it's also true that > globals can be abused, just as custom props and other containers can be > abused. > > Rather than lead newcomers down the dogma road of avoiding globals > altogether, it would be more helpful to assist them in distinguishing when > they are useful. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From david at architex.tv Mon Jun 7 14:04:51 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Subject: export snapshot of another application? Message-ID: What's the best way to use rev to take a snapshot of another application window? I think the windowID is only of a stack and you can't use the ids of other system windows? So the only way is to use AppleScript or the equivalent to get the rect of a window? From niggemann at uni-wh.de Mon Jun 7 15:50:31 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: combo box messages In-Reply-To: <6BEA95E5-28BC-4C23-9966-550C79F21105@byu.edu> References: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> <6BEA95E5-28BC-4C23-9966-550C79F21105@byu.edu> Message-ID: <1275940231034-2246454.post@n4.nabble.com> Devin Asay wrote: > > > On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:07 PM, David C. wrote: > >>> A problem was posted to the forums. SomeOne wanted to type text into a >>> field, and have that text dynamically located among the lines of another >>> scrolling list field such that closer and closer matches are found as >>> the text >>> entry gets longer. > > I have a stack that does this on revOnline. Look for a stack called "Type > with Filter". > > Devin > That is a very nice stack. Thank you for pointing it out. But actually the original poster on the forum wanted to write text in a textfield and he wanted to use some shorthand or macro functionality. Whenever he typed two periods and a letter a list was supposed to pop up and let him insert the text into the current text at the current position. He was a doctor and wanted to save some of the repetitive work on putting medications and how to use it into the letter also avoiding typos I guess. I liked the idea and gave it a try: the revlet: http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/revlets/typeandshortcutinfield/ the stack http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/revletsdownload/typeInFieldAndInsertShortCut.rev.zip regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/combo-box-messages-tp2243770p2246454.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Mon Jun 7 16:09:10 2010 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:09:10 -0400 Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field Message-ID: <3271E3E6-5CA2-4B56-AB0C-52C3D57E59EA@videotron.ca> Hello everyone, I have a data field with many lines and I'd like to script a handler that hilites every appearance of a particular word in yellow? Regards, Gregory From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 16:39:22 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field In-Reply-To: <3271E3E6-5CA2-4B56-AB0C-52C3D57E59EA@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <970568.46477.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Gregory, A while back on the list there was much discussion of what constitutes a "word." To cover all your bases you have to concern yourself with punctuation and case. It's all there in gory detail. Here's some code that might help out a wee bit. I'm sure others on the forum can do it in one line, so you might want to wait for their input. ---------------------------- on mouseUp put "Scotland is victorious" into fld 1 put "Scotland"into chosenWord put "yellow" into chosenColor put fld 1 into v put zero into c repeat for each word w in v add 1 to c if w is chosenWord then set the backgroundColor of word c of fld 1 to chosenColor end if end repeat end mouseUp ---------------------------- --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Gregory Lypny wrote: > From: Gregory Lypny > Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field > To: "Revolution" > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 3:09 PM > Hello everyone, > > I have a data field with many lines and I'd like to script > a handler that hilites every appearance of a particular word > in yellow? > > Regards, > > Gregory > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 17:10:56 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field In-Reply-To: <3271E3E6-5CA2-4B56-AB0C-52C3D57E59EA@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <401148.42364.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a data field with many lines and I'd like to script > a handler that hilites every appearance of a particular word > in yellow? > > Regards, > > Gregory > It depends a bit on your definition of the term 'word' in this context. The straightforward solution is to do a replace in the htmlText of the field, wrapping it with a font tag - but this simply hilites every occurence of the search string, rather than the whole word: ## put the htmlText of field "Data" into tHtmlText replace "foo" \ with "foo" \ in tHtmlText set the htmlText of field "Data" to tHtmlText ## If you're looking to hilite only complete words, your best option is the wordOffset function and a loop: ## put the text of field 1 into tText set the wholeMatches to true put wordOffset(tWordToFind, tText) into tWordOffset put 0 into tPrevOffset repeat until tWordOffset = 0 add tWordOffset to tPrevOffset set the backgroundColor of word tPrevOffset of field 1 to "yellow" put wordOffset(tWordToFind, tText, tPrevOffset) into tWordOffset end repeat ## If you leave the 'wholeMatches' local property at its default value of 'false' the above script hilites the entire word, if part of it matches tWordToFind. HTH, Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From pete at mollysrevenge.com Mon Jun 7 17:12:46 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:12:46 -0700 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <20100607170004.EF3702881CC@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100607170004.EF3702881CC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark, it is indeed the case that I'm logging in with admin privileges. After vacillating back and forth on the best solution to this issue, here's what I think I'm going to do. It turns out there are only three custom property names that I need to preserve between runs, although they exist in a large number of objects. I think I can write a setProp handler for each of the three custom properties that will store their values in either my sqlite db or a preferences file of some sort (haven't decided on that yet). Each entry will consist of the object's ID as a key, plus it's value. I'll put the setProp handlers in my main stack's stack script so it will be called for any object that has those properties. When my application starts up, I'll retrieve all these property values and set them into the objects that own them. I'll have to find a mechanism to prevent the setProp handler from updating them again during that process but some sort of global variable should take care of that. Alternatively, I could write a getProp handler for each of them I guess. All that's left at that point is to run a one-off script that will locate all the instances of these custom properties and put them into my sqlite db/preferences file. I already have code that locates all objects with a given custom property so should be a simple matter to add the update of the sqlite db/preferences file. With this approach, I don;t have to worry about splitting up my application into two or more stack files, write access to them or the issue of preventing users from changing the stack files, which I think would probably involve a lot more work than the above solution Be grateful for any input on this idea.. Pete Haworth On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:06:27 +0200 > From: Mark Schonewille > Subject: Re: Saving Data in Standalones > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: <4D63DBD4-4428-40E3-9953-B35C3D157C86 at economy-x-talk.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Pete, > > Probably, you log in on your Mac with admin privileges. That gives you > write access to the applications folder. The guest account (Mac OS X > 10.5 and later) and limited accounts don't have write access for the > applications folder and several other folders. That's why you should > avoid writing to those folders. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Mon Jun 7 17:14:49 2010 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field In-Reply-To: <3271E3E6-5CA2-4B56-AB0C-52C3D57E59EA@videotron.ca> References: <3271E3E6-5CA2-4B56-AB0C-52C3D57E59EA@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1275945289243-2246586.post@n4.nabble.com> Gregory... Continuing with Michael's 'Scotland' theme :- on mouseUp repeat with count = 1 to the number of words of fld 1 if word count of fld 1 = "Scotland" then set the foregroundcolor of word count of fld 1 to "yellow" end repeat end mouseUp -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Hiliting-Words-in-a-Field-tp2246485p2246586.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 17:35:19 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: REALBasic vs Revolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <966848.27826.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Peter Haworth wrote: > Wondering if anyone has personal > experience using REAL Basic and Revolution?? I did see > some discussions on this list but they're all pretty > old.? At first glance, REAL Basic appears to provide > very similar functionality to Revolution and a few things > (like a report writer) that aren't in Revolution, at least > without an extra cost third party add-on. > > Also possible that this isn't an appropriate place for such > discussions, and I'm fine with that. > > Thanks, > > Pete Haworth > Hi Pete, I'm sure you could come up with a bullet list of items that RealBasic has where Rev lacks, and vice versa. It's part of the game that each language and IDE has its strengths when compared to the other - there are even a few things you can do in C#.NET which you can't do in VisualBasic.NET, even though they are compiled down to the same Common Language Runtime :-) Some languages are better suited for your project than others. At work, we use a mixture of OpenEdge ABL (database 4GL where you can mix procedural and object-oriented programming), C/C++, Java and even some Ruby - and I toss in revTalk every once in a while for prototypes. The trick is to pick the right tool or tools for the job. When it comes to reporting, I am (of course) biased towards my own Quartam Reports solution. It works pretty much like the Report Builder you find in FoxPro or Access, but it isn't tied to a particular database and allows you to use every day revTalk expressions to fill the report. In fact, it's all revTalk - no externals - just creative thinking and lots of scripting to make the Layout Builder and the report library work. Quartam Reports takes the drudgery out of reporting, tracking subtotals and determining the position on paper for you - but there's nothing to stop you from creating reports with what the revEngine already has on offer. Just create a template stack with the fields in the right position, fill them up with data and use the 'print' command to send it to a printer or create a PDF/XPS/PS file. A quick google reveals that RealBasic's ReportWriter only recently got some loving after years of neglect. I gather this is their way of differentiating themselves from the competition, by offering a feature the others don't have and which may just lure people over. But last time I checked, they didn't have a web browser plug-in... Looking at the broader spectrum of languages and platforms, Java doesn't have a built-in reporting system (though the open-source JasperReports is quite good in my experience) nor does .NET ship with one (you get a CrystalReports preview box but no design tools) - but most database tool vendors do have one available (either as part of the package or an optional add-on) Rev isn't exclusively a database front-end builder tool, though plenty of us happily use it for such purposes. And we all have our wish-lists that we hope the RunRev team will tackle first :-) Cheers, Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon Jun 7 17:44:26 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:44:26 +1000 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables - revUp 93 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/06/10 3:51 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > In the cases where you have absolute control over the environment, then, you > can use globals as a simple way of sharing data structures. Usually for > these cases it is better to create a single global as an array and write to > a single variable, this makes debugging easier. Better to have a single > array with 50 entries than 50 globals. A single global as an array supplemented by script locals works well for me. Terry... From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 17:48:25 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Robert Brenstein wrote: > On 31.05.10 at 10:50 -0700 JosepM > apparently wrote: > > Nop. My solution was store the entire document and > search and replace before > > to build the document, and then out as PDF using > Quartam PDF Library and > > Quartam Reports, but also you can print from a card. > > > > If you need to just print, producing PDF files might be a > way to go. Using RTF works as well. I used RTF documents as > templates to produce Word docs. Basically, I created a full > blown, properly formatted Word doc as template, then > replaced variable elements with tokens, in my case things > like [title], [description]. Rev stack read RTF directly > into a variable and replaced the tokens, then saved new > file. One needs to use RTF commands for marking new > paragraphs, styles, and code non-English characters. I even > used to produce Word table with varying numbers of rows by > marking a repeating code for row in RTF and replicating it > as many times as needed. Some sleuthing required, though, to > decipher blocks in RTF. > > Robert > Sorry for the late reply - I'm just resurfacing after several months of deadlines at the day-job. Anyway, a while ago I wrote two articles for the revUp newsletter, titled 'The Word of Merge': - part 1: - part 2: In short, create a template file in Word, with double square brackets around variable names or revTalk expressions; save the template file in RTF format; read the file into a variable and use the 'merge' function to dynamically replace the content of each bit of text inside the double square brackets with its value. HTH, Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon Jun 7 17:50:18 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:50:18 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer Message-ID: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Friends, I just followed the Apple WWDC Keynote live blog by MacWorld. I have to say: I saw some very impressive integration of software and hardware. Apple is definitely leading the way with hybrid design. They've gone way beyond industrial design or "user interface" or "user experience." This stuff will be hard to copy. And it has tremendous traction in the market already. Mr. Jobs made it abundantly clear that there are two ways to get apps on the iOS 4 platform (iOS 4 = iPad + iPhone + iPod Touch): the curated (and sometime just hated) app store and HTML5 which he made clear was WIDE open. There is a wonderful opportunity to create rich HTML5 apps for this platform much faster by taking advantage of On-Rev and the revServer technologies. Sarah, MJ and I are doing our version of just that with Rodeo. We would not have made it to pre-release in month without revServer technology. Anyways, great stuff from Apple. Go to their front page (http://apple.com ) to see a couple really nice videos. One is about the iPhone 4 and the other is about their incredible built-in video chat called FaceTime. The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. Forgot to mention iPhone 4 also has built-in video cam AND iMovie! Smokin' hot. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves From luis at anachreon.co.uk Mon Jun 7 17:57:26 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:57:26 +0100 Subject: Call for Participants: Rev Coding Sprint 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0D6B46.7020003@anachreon.co.uk> On 07/06/10 17:54, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Fellow RevCoders and RevCodettes, > I will organize this even if I have no one to play with, I am pretty > creative and I can make voices so, if no one joins I can fake some > participants and have some kind of schizophrenic fun while I boss myself > while coding. > > Cheers > andre > I think you could take the lack of responses as a vote of curiosity towards your one man show... :P Cheers, Luis. From bvg at mac.com Mon Jun 7 18:10:02 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 00:10:02 +0200 Subject: Call for Participants: Rev Coding Sprint 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <832D489F-C90C-433F-A228-F3DFDB6C3F05@mac.com> I'm generally interested. One day sprints is the only way I'm doing my coding anyway, tho normally that day is randomly picked, based on to me unknown factors. So most likely I won't be actually able to participate, despite all the interest in the world... On 7 Jun 2010, at 18:54, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Fellow RevCoders and RevCodettes, > > I plan to organize a single day or two day coding sprint early or middle > july to celebrate the month of july or any other reason. > > WHAT WILL THIS SPRINT BE? > > We'll gather over the internet and will code some nice stuff for the > community. We'll divide ourselves into little groups and focus on some area > of interest according to each other interests. We'll release everything when > the sprint end. > > I will put a little site online for us to sign up and collaborate (it will > be revlet based so that I can code this in 2 hours instead of a month). In > this site the teams will share stuff, code and if they want, they will > maintain some microblogging about the experience. > > It will be terribly FUN, people will meet & talk & code and in the end we'll > have some new resources. > > WHAT THE TEAMS WILL BE? > > I have no clue, I will put an interface up so that you can create or join a > team. I for one want to be on the "Let's build an Standard Library" team > where we'll focus on what to do and how to promote the library created by > the Rev Interop Group but the idea is that a little anarchy is good, you'll > be able to create a team and then, you and your team have 24h or 48h to > produce something, the idea is that the projects should be quite small but > useful, for example, building a simple installer stack that one could make > standalones and use as an application installer on windows, mac and linux. > > HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? > > Nothing! > > WHY SHOULD I PARTICIPATE ON THIS? > > We'll be running a reward program and all who participate are eligible for > the benefits. The reward will be in the form of Karma Bonus which in plain > english means that creating FOSS software for revolution will make the world > better and your life better too. It will be a single day or two days for the > teams who need more time, just a weekend. Imagine on friday there's nothing, > on monday there are wonderful new and useful resources!!! > > I will organize this even if I have no one to play with, I am pretty > creative and I can make voices so, if no one joins I can fake some > participants and have some kind of schizophrenic fun while I boss myself > while coding. > > Cheers > andre > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 7 18:44:38 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:44:38 +0100 Subject: Flash is buggy - Where have I heard that before? Message-ID: <4C0D7656.2080606@tiscali.co.uk> Some people have found that Flash / Acrobat / Adobe Reader is/are buggy and a serious security risk. (Just in case you didn't know.) http://news.techworld.com/security/3225908/hackers-exploit-adobe-flash-and-reader-flaws/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10257411.stm From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 19:02:45 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:02:45 +0800 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. > > Interesting marketing tactic, having ticked off all those developers I guess he's now targeting deaf people in the hope they haven't heard what he did ;-) There's probably more deaf people in the world than iOS developers so I think he might still be able to sell a few of these. From coiin at verizon.net Mon Jun 7 19:09:33 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:09:33 -0400 Subject: Flash is buggy - Where have I heard that before? In-Reply-To: <4C0D7656.2080606@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C0D7656.2080606@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Douglas wrote: > Some people have found that Flash / Acrobat / Adobe Reader is/are buggy and a serious security risk. > (Just in case you didn't know.) Those links don't claim Flash to be buggy. There is a brief mention that if Flash needs a security patch that it might back up Steve's comments about it being buggy, but that's not the same as saying that it's buggy. As for security in Flash in general, it's much like with Windows and viruses, and because nearly everyone has Flash installed, that makes a tempting target audience for hackers. There are alternatives to Flash that are more prone to security issues. Javascript and HTML5 for example. Watch the video here: http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/1483-doug-crockford-discusses-javascript-html5-security-issues/ especially from 1:35 onwards. You'll see that some people are worried about the security problems of using Javascript. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Jun 7 20:31:37 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:31:37 -0700 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: This was a really big deal for tech today for many reasons: the new phone is outrageous. first real video phone ( I was at the 1964 world's fair and remember the first videophone on display ) the Retina display camera 720p iMovie gyroscope - detects rotation around gravity. There was a dreaded glitch in the presentation, but it wasn't Apple. The wifi (and net feed) at the Moscone was overwhelmed - there were so many personal devices and laptops in the crowd sucking bandwidth that it brought Job's demonstration of the book app to an embarrassing crawl. Jobs had to hold up the keynote until everyone turned off their wifi connections. Surely this is some kind of tipping point. The ad thing is brilliant, too. Jerry, you said that Rodeo might be supporting iPhone at some point? On 7 June 2010 16:02, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels > wrote: > > > > The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. > > > > Interesting marketing tactic, having ticked off all those developers I > guess he's now targeting deaf people in the hope they haven't heard what he > did ;-) There's probably more deaf people in the world than iOS developers > so I think he might still be able to sell a few of these. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From bobs at twft.com Mon Jun 7 20:41:36 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:41:36 -0700 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <121732049781.20100606204136@ahsoftware.net> References: <121732049781.20100606204136@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <5D423351-CE03-425E-B9B3-DE1F3E6AC4B6@twft.com> Hi Mark. By Loading Into Memory, do you mean the "Start Using" command? Bob On Jun 6, 2010, at 8:41 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > You *can* tell the standalone builder to make the substacks separate > files in the build phase. This will get around the problem sometimes. > You do have to remember to load the substack into memory in order to > have access to it. > > And that's why I don't recommend that approach. > > A better approach would be to have the substacks separate files to > begin with - in that case the way you use substacks during development > is the same as the way you use them in your standalone. You don't have > the situation of a stack/substack system working fine in the IDE and > then failing in a standalone because you haven't loaded the substacks > properly. I do think it's a good idea to try to avoid surprises when > you deploy a standalone application, and having a stack in the IDE > behave like a stack in a standalone is one way to stay out of trouble. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net From dr.alistair at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 21:21:47 2010 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275960107737-2246780.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, Looks interesting but there is no download link. cheers -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-ChartMaker-2-tp2244113p2246780.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon Jun 7 21:36:31 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:36:31 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: Stephen, Sarah and I have been surprised how much easier it has been to cover multiple devices. If it has webkit we're pretty much good in Rodeo. iPhone is looking good to us right about now. So YES we sure are gonna support it! Editing our objects on the iPhone itself might be challenging due to lack of screen real estate whereas it's much easier on the iPad. But our Mac editor will groove on making an iPhone app. This is a big week for us as we're adding a bunch of cool stuff like faceless objects and inheritance. Hard to contain my exuberance. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:31 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > This was a really big deal for tech today for many reasons: > > the new phone is outrageous. > first real video phone ( I was at the 1964 world's fair and remember the > first videophone on display ) > the Retina display > camera 720p iMovie > gyroscope - detects rotation around gravity. > > There was a dreaded glitch in the presentation, but it wasn't Apple. The > wifi (and net feed) at the Moscone was overwhelmed - there were so many > personal devices and laptops in the crowd sucking bandwidth that it brought > Job's demonstration of the book app to an embarrassing crawl. Jobs had to > hold up the keynote until everyone turned off their wifi connections. Surely > this is some kind of tipping point. > > The ad thing is brilliant, too. > > Jerry, you said that Rodeo might be supporting iPhone at some point? > > > > On 7 June 2010 16:02, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels >> wrote: >> >> >>> The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. >>> >>> Interesting marketing tactic, having ticked off all those developers I >> guess he's now targeting deaf people in the hope they haven't heard what he >> did ;-) There's probably more deaf people in the world than iOS developers >> so I think he might still be able to sell a few of these. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 01:18:20 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:18:20 +0800 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > > There is a wonderful opportunity to create rich HTML5 apps > > Along with iPhone 4 I see Apple released Safari 5 today, with additional who ha about HTML5. I've been a big fan of BBEdit for a long time, and love their HTML support, but even today there seems to be no support (wrong word because obviously you can still write HTML5 with BBEdit) for HMTL5 like there is for current versions of HTML. Searching the BareBones website produces no hits. So how standard is HTML5? I guess I should be asking BareBones. I also notice on the Safari 5 'What's New' page that they list 'HTML5 offline storage' as a feature that is supported. Anyone have any experience with this. How much can you actually do 'offline'? From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 01:28:05 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:28:05 +0800 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: References: <20100607170004.EF3702881CC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > When my application starts up, I'll retrieve all these property values and > set them into the objects that own them. I'll have to find a mechanism to > prevent the setProp handler from updating them again during that process but > some sort of global variable should take care of that. Alternatively, I > could write a getProp handler for each of them I guess. > > I believe the Dictionary suggests you use 'lock messages' to prevent such recursion. HTH From yvescoppe at skynet.be Tue Jun 8 01:33:57 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:33:57 +0200 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: <1275960107737-2246780.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275960107737-2246780.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Le 8 juin 10 ? 03:21, planix a ?crit : > > Hi, > > Looks interesting but there is no download link. > Hi, here is the link : http://www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk.htm Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 01:34:24 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:34:24 +0800 Subject: Call for Participants: Rev Coding Sprint 2010 In-Reply-To: <4C0D6B46.7020003@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4C0D6B46.7020003@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Luis wrote: > > I think you could take the lack of responses as a vote of curiosity towards > your one man show... :P > > Yes, with the new iPhone 4 he could video with the back camera what he's doing, and then switch to the front camera and video himself bossing himself to do it ;-) From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 01:48:05 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:48:05 +1000 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: > I also notice on the Safari 5 'What's New' page that they list 'HTML5 > offline storage' as a feature that is supported. Anyone have any experience > with this. How much can you actually do 'offline'? Lots :-) We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves From scott at elementarysoftware.com Tue Jun 8 01:58:23 2010 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:58:23 -0700 Subject: combo box messages In-Reply-To: <1275940231034-2246454.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> <6BEA95E5-28BC-4C23-9966-550C79F21105@byu.edu> <1275940231034-2246454.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3EE379E0-07A1-46E0-986A-34FD8D331069@elementarysoftware.com> Hello Bernd, Thank you for sharing that! Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:50 PM, BNig wrote: > > That is a very nice stack. Thank you for pointing it out. > > But actually the original poster on the forum wanted to write text in a > textfield and he wanted to use some shorthand or macro functionality. > Whenever he typed two periods and a letter a list was supposed to pop up and > let him insert the text into the current text at the current position. > He was a doctor and wanted to save some of the repetitive work on putting > medications and how to use it into the letter also avoiding typos I guess. > I liked the idea and gave it a try: > > the revlet: > http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/revlets/typeandshortcutinfield/ > the stack > http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/revletsdownload/typeInFieldAndInsertShortCut.rev.zip > > regards > Bernd From dr.alistair at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 02:33:41 2010 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1275960107737-2246780.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry, should have been clearer. There is no download link from the Chartmaker2 hyperlink. cheers Alistair On 8 June 2010 15:34, Yves COPPE [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > > Le 8 juin 10 ? 03:21, planix a ?crit : > >> >> Hi, >> >> Looks interesting but there is no download link. >> > > > Hi, > > here is the link : > > http://www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk.htm > > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > [hidden email] > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > ________________________________ > View message @ > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-ChartMaker-2-tp2244113p2246882.html > To unsubscribe from Re: [ANN] ChartMaker 2, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-ChartMaker-2-tp2244113p2246918.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 02:43:07 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:43:07 +0800 Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <2735a.1af92744.393e72c1@aol.com> References: <2735a.1af92744.393e72c1@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:05 AM, wrote: > > But you can distinguish these fields easily. Why not set a custom property > in all your fields called "isLabel"? Set that property of all the label > fields to "true", and all other fields to "false". > > There may not be a need to set a custom property, for instance their are several inbuilt properties that are false for text fields and true for label fields; sharedText and lockText for instance. traversalOn goes the other way. So why create another property when you could test for those. Of course you could still set up fields as label fields but aren't actually labels to a field, maybe a copy right banner at the bottom of a stack, so the above wouldn't be foolproof but may suffice in your circumstance. If not, there are other ways to skin this cat. I've gotten into the habit of prefixing the name of all true label fields with 'lbl', this has other benefits as well; when you access the property inspector all the label fields are grouped together - great if you have 100 fields + accompanying label fields. Finally, and best of all, your text entry fields should all be 'layered' consecutively (Size & Position pane of the Property Inspector), this makes traversal work better. I do the same with label fields. Then to do any group entry, validation or clearing it's simply a mater of: --because you've layered the fields consecutively --faster because you are not testing if it's a label field repeat with x = 1 to 88 -- text entry field put empty into field x --more stuff here if necessary end repeat repeat with x = 100 to 187 -- label fields set the textColor of field x to red --more stuff here if necessary end repeat Of course if you do the layering correctly, and you want to work with field/label pairs, knowing the offset where one ends and the other starts makes it easy to do this: repeat with x = 1 to 88 -- text entry field put empty into field x --paired label is offset by 99 set the textColor of field (x + 99) to red end repeat Using fixed numbers isn't going to work if you have a different number of fields on each card, so that's where custom properties are so useful; easy to have cEditableFields = 88 repeat with tCardNo = 1 to the number of marked cards put the cEditableFields of marked card tCardNo into y repeat with x = 1 to y put empty into field x of marked card tCardNo --more stuff here if necessary end repeat end repeat HTH From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 03:02:00 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:02:00 +0800 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. > Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), > local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. > > Are you suggesting then, that if I use HTML5 (rodeo) to dynamically create several pages of content - whilst online, and those pages were to say contain a form that interacted with SQLite, that whilst offline I might be able to dynamically interact with SQLite, ie make entries into a field that searches the SQLite db and have results dynamically presented to me - although the base page template wouldn't change? I currently have a postgreSQL db I can access from On-Rev, which is great as long as I can connect. Once I loose connection, I can no longer do searches. It would be great to be able to push the db data into SQLite on the iPhone, be able to continually query it no matter where I am, then purge the data when finished. Does that sound doable with HTML5 + On-Rev + SQLite + iPhone? Thanks for your thoughts. From h at FlexibleLearning.com Tue Jun 8 03:07:41 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:07:41 +0100 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker 2 In-Reply-To: <20100608064302.573BC2882E0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Either visit the site at http://www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk or download direct from http://www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk/chartmaker/ChartMaker2.zip /H Alisair wrote: >Hi, > >Sorry, should have been clearer. There is no download link from the >Chartmaker2 hyperlink. > >cheers > >Alistair From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 03:18:49 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:18:49 +1000 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: >> We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. >> Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), >> local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. >> >> Are you suggesting then, that if I use HTML5 (rodeo) to dynamically create > several pages of content - whilst online, and those pages were to say > contain a form that interacted with SQLite, that whilst offline I might be > able to dynamically interact with SQLite, ie make entries into a field that > searches the SQLite db and have results dynamically presented to me - > although the base page template wouldn't change? > > I currently have a postgreSQL db I can access from On-Rev, which is great as > long as I can connect. Once I loose connection, I can no longer do searches. > It would be great to be able to push the db data into SQLite on the iPhone, > be able to continually query it no matter where I am, then purge the data > when finished. > > Does that sound doable with HTML5 + On-Rev + SQLite + iPhone? Yes it does. The SQLite database is stored on your device and should be accessible any time. You may need to do something with caches & manifests so the page will operate without a connection, but it is certainly doable. Cheers, Sarah From bvg at mac.com Tue Jun 8 04:02:27 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:02:27 +0200 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <5D423351-CE03-425E-B9B3-DE1F3E6AC4B6@twft.com> References: <121732049781.20100606204136@ahsoftware.net> <5D423351-CE03-425E-B9B3-DE1F3E6AC4B6@twft.com> Message-ID: <45355C5C-407B-4AE5-93F6-FE287AC11119@mac.com> On 8 Jun 2010, at 02:41, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi Mark. > > By Loading Into Memory, do you mean the "Start Using" command? > > Bob I can't speak for Mark, but in the mentioned case it's sufficient to "go" to your stack, and depending on your needs, you can do it invisible: go invisible stack "valid/path/test.rev" -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 08:25:08 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:25:08 -0400 Subject: combo box messages In-Reply-To: <1275940231034-2246454.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <3a1de.da938a0.393ac1c1@aol.com> <6BEA95E5-28BC-4C23-9966-550C79F21105@byu.edu> <1275940231034-2246454.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:50 PM, BNig wrote: > Devin Asay wrote: >> >> On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:07 PM, David C. wrote: (actually, I think it was Craig Newman) >>> A problem was posted to the forums. SomeOne wanted to type text >>> into a >>> field, and have that text dynamically located among the lines of >>> another >>> scrolling list field such that closer and closer matches are found >>> as >>> the text >>> entry gets longer. >> >> I have a stack that does this on revOnline. Look for a stack called >> "Type >> with Filter". >> >> Devin > > That is a very nice stack. Thank you for pointing it out. > > But actually the original poster on the forum wanted to write text > in a > textfield and he wanted to use some shorthand or macro functionality. > Whenever he typed two periods and a letter a list was supposed to > pop up and > let him insert the text into the current text at the current position. > He was a doctor and wanted to save some of the repetitive work on > putting > medications and how to use it into the letter also avoiding typos I > guess. > I liked the idea and gave it a try: > > the revlet: > http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/revlets/typeandshortcutinfield/ > the stack > http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/revletsdownload/typeInFieldAndInsertShortCut.rev.zip > > regards > Bernd Ah, medication names! What I do is use a custom prop that is an array of abbreviations -- eg, srt = sertraline, mrt = mirtazapine, etc. -- that can be consulted as needed. My arrangement is that the user enters a 3- or 4-letter abbreviation and then hits the key and the medication name is substituted. I have a practice management stack that does this and lots more. Write me off list if you need the details on this point, or to compare notes on other features.... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Tue Jun 8 09:14:09 2010 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:14:09 -0400 Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field In-Reply-To: <20100608064302.377252882DE@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100608064302.377252882DE@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1755A013-AE68-4D83-96D2-C8674D6E8369@videotron.ca> Thanks, Jan, John, and Michael, Good stuff. I hadn't realized that BackgroundColor was a property of text. Regards, Gregory From DunbarX at aol.com Tue Jun 8 09:38:53 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:38:53 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: <92c3e.5ecde958.393fa1ed@aol.com> The properties mentioned are not intrinsic to label fields, they are just defaults at creation, and may be common to other fields. Certainly sharedText and lockText could be. All the other suggestions are valid as far as they go, naming, numbering, layering, etc., but these may not be convenient, or constant, and may be tedious to manage down the road. In other words, they may not go very far. Naming them with a unique beginning string is pretty robust, I guess; I've done that. But I still think that creating a custom property is the cleanest way. It isn't so onerous, after all. Craig Newman From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:04:16 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:04:16 +0800 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: OOOhhhh :-) If you ever do an example on your website please let us know. Thanks On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. > >> Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), > >> local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. > >> > >> Are you suggesting then, that if I use HTML5 (rodeo) to dynamically > create > > several pages of content - whilst online, and those pages were to say > > contain a form that interacted with SQLite, that whilst offline I might > be > > able to dynamically interact with SQLite, ie make entries into a field > that > > searches the SQLite db and have results dynamically presented to me - > > although the base page template wouldn't change? > > > > I currently have a postgreSQL db I can access from On-Rev, which is great > as > > long as I can connect. Once I loose connection, I can no longer do > searches. > > It would be great to be able to push the db data into SQLite on the > iPhone, > > be able to continually query it no matter where I am, then purge the data > > when finished. > > > > Does that sound doable with HTML5 + On-Rev + SQLite + iPhone? > > > Yes it does. The SQLite database is stored on your device and should > be accessible any time. > You may need to do something with caches & manifests so the page will > operate without a connection, but it is certainly doable. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From luis at anachreon.co.uk Tue Jun 8 10:34:15 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:34:15 +0100 Subject: Call for Participants: Rev Coding Sprint 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4C0D6B46.7020003@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4C0E54E7.2080602@anachreon.co.uk> Noting his lack of response I'm assuming he's already started on his course of madication... Cheers, Luis. On 08/06/2010 06:34, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Luis wrote: > >> >> I think you could take the lack of responses as a vote of curiosity towards >> your one man show... :P >> >> Yes, with the new iPhone 4 he could video with the back camera what he's > doing, and then switch to the front camera and video himself bossing himself > to do it ;-) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:53 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:35:53 -0700 Subject: Flash is buggy - Where have I heard that before? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0D7656.2080606@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <396C8F65678744848FC691E3B06F2D42@GATEWAY> > There are alternatives to Flash that are more prone to > security issues. Javascript and HTML5 for example. Watch the > video here: > > http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/1483-doug-crockford-discusses-javascript-ht ml5-security-issues/ > > especially from 1:35 onwards. You'll see that some people are > worried about the security problems of using Javascript. I happen to like Javascript but, wow, you are so right. A lot of the trojans out of the wild today take advantage of how insecure browsers are to deliver payloads right through your browser. Sometimes your antivirus software will catch it, othertimes not. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 11:01:18 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:01:18 -0400 Subject: Hiliting Words in a Field In-Reply-To: <401148.42364.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <401148.42364.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Gregory Lypny wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I have a data field with many lines and I'd like to script >> a handler that hilites every appearance of a particular word >> in yellow? >> >> Regards, >> >> Gregory >> > > It depends a bit on your definition of the term 'word' in this > context. > > The straightforward solution is to do a replace in the htmlText of > the field, wrapping it with a font tag - but this simply hilites > every occurence of the search string, rather than the whole word: > ## > put the htmlText of field "Data" into tHtmlText > replace "foo" \ > with "foo" \ > in tHtmlText > set the htmlText of field "Data" to tHtmlText > ## > > If you're looking to hilite only complete words, your best option is > the wordOffset function and a loop: > ## > put the text of field 1 into tText > set the wholeMatches to true > put wordOffset(tWordToFind, tText) into tWordOffset > put 0 into tPrevOffset > repeat until tWordOffset = 0 > add tWordOffset to tPrevOffset > set the backgroundColor of word tPrevOffset of field 1 to "yellow" > put wordOffset(tWordToFind, tText, tPrevOffset) into tWordOffset > end repeat > ## > If you leave the 'wholeMatches' local property at its default value > of 'false' the above script hilites the entire word, if part of it > matches tWordToFind. > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel Try something like this: on mouseUp put fld "text" into tText put "the" into targetString put smartWordOffsets(targetString,tText) into wList repeat for each line w in wList set the backcolor of char (item 1 of w) to \ (item 2 of w) of fld "text" to yellow -- or whatever formatting you want to do end repeat end mouseUp function smartWordOffsets targetString,tText -- returns a return-delimited list of chunk data -- for matches of targetString in tText: -- each line = , put length(targetString) into strLength put ".,?!$':;()#" & quote into puncList repeat for each char c in puncList replace c with space in tText end repeat -- the above handles the punctuation problem put offsets(targetString,tText) into offsList put empty into wList repeat for each item j in offsList put the number of words of char 1 to j of tText \ into wdNbr put word wdNbr of tText into testWd if testWd <> targetString then next repeat -- whole matches only put j & comma & j+strLength-1 & cr after wList end repeat delete char -1 of wList return wList end smartWordOffsets function offsets str,cntr -- returns a comma-delimited list -- of all the offsets of str in cntr put "" into mosList put 0 into startPoint repeat put offset(str,cntr,startPoint) into os if os = 0 then exit repeat add os to startPoint put startPoint & "," after mosList end repeat if char -1 of mosList = "," then delete last char of mosList if mosList = "" then return "0" return mosList end offsets Despite several repeat loops, this is extremely fast. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jun 8 11:24:48 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:24:48 -0700 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <45355C5C-407B-4AE5-93F6-FE287AC11119@mac.com> References: <121732049781.20100606204136@ahsoftware.net> <5D423351-CE03-425E-B9B3-DE1F3E6AC4B6@twft.com> <45355C5C-407B-4AE5-93F6-FE287AC11119@mac.com> Message-ID: <142860642484.20100608082448@ahsoftware.net> Bj?rnke- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:02:27 AM, you wrote: > I can't speak for Mark, but in the mentioned case it's sufficient > to "go" to your stack, and depending on your needs, you can do it > invisible: > go invisible stack "valid/path/test.rev" ...you can go ahead and speak for me... That's correct. If you say "start using" then the script of the substack will also be placed as a library for other stacks to use. So depending on your situation you may want "go stack" and you may want to use "start using". -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rman at free.fr Tue Jun 8 12:19:40 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> Message-ID: <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> HTML5 local storage seems to present some security issues. At least raise some serious ethical questions about how to use it and what for. I think basically users will eventually get .. (censored) unless one build a specific control interface to give that power back to users. http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ For Rod?o apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server, than all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps, So far I understood. Not reassuring! Though, it's not clear to me if the key is the domain name or the actual server : if I open a site with domainNameY.com and the site is actually hosted on host.com, what will be the local storage named? What I understood is : host.com will be the "primary" key for all local storage. And using sub folders will not allow to restrict the scope. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2247681.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue Jun 8 12:36:45 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:36:45 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> Not so. No. Each developer has own space. If developer INVITES someone in...as a teammate, then they share. Vampire rules. Need an invite to join another developer. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Mann wrote: > For Rod?o apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared > server, than > all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo > apps, So > far I understood. Not reassuring! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jun 8 12:42:33 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:42:33 -0500 Subject: Saving Data in Standalones In-Reply-To: <142860642484.20100608082448@ahsoftware.net> References: <121732049781.20100606204136@ahsoftware.net> <5D423351-CE03-425E-B9B3-DE1F3E6AC4B6@twft.com> <45355C5C-407B-4AE5-93F6-FE287AC11119@mac.com> <142860642484.20100608082448@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4C0E72F9.8070109@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Bj?rnke- > > Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:02:27 AM, you wrote: > >> I can't speak for Mark, but in the mentioned case it's sufficient >> to "go" to your stack, and depending on your needs, you can do it >> invisible: > >> go invisible stack "valid/path/test.rev" > > > ...you can go ahead and speak for me... > > That's correct. If you say "start using" then the script of the > substack will also be placed as a library for other stacks to use. So > depending on your situation you may want "go stack" and you may want > to use "start using". > In fact, any access to a stack loads it into RAM, even just grabbing a custom property. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 13:10:05 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:10:05 -0600 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> Message-ID: Actually, I believe the following (from the provided link) is what is being referred to: 7.2 Cross-directory attacks Different authors sharing one host name, for example users hosting content on geocities.com, all share one local storage object. There is no feature to restrict the access by pathname. Authors on shared hosts are therefore recommended to avoid using these features, as it would be trivial for other authors to read the data and overwrite it. Even if a path-restriction feature was made available, the usual DOM scripting security model would make it trivial to bypass this protection and access the data from any path. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Not so. No. > > Each developer has own space. If developer INVITES someone in...as a > teammate, then they share. > > Vampire rules. Need an invite to join another developer. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Follow the Rodeo discussion: > http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves > > > > On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Mann wrote: > >> For Rod?o apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server, >> than >> all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps, >> So >> far I understood. Not reassuring! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From slord at karbonized.com Tue Jun 8 13:23:26 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:23:26 -0400 Subject: Resizable grid of thumbnails Message-ID: One of my many faults is a lack of intense math skills. So when I hit the math *wall* I ask for help or samples... In this case, I'm looking for a sample stack that can show 20+ thumbnails and be resizable. As the stack is scaled up (wider) the top row of thumbnails increases thus reducing the overall number of rows which displays the thumbnails. Ironically, in HTML I only have to assign the style "float: left;" to each thumbnail to achieve this. Is there something similar or does it require gobs of math to calculate the loc of all thumbnails? If so, anyone have a good sample? Thanks! From WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu Tue Jun 8 14:14:19 2010 From: WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu (Sumner, Walt) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:14:19 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <20100608170004.D9C762882F2@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but it looks like Firefox 4 (or 3.7, or earlier) hopes to deliver HTML5 and multitouch, as well as the local data storage. Do we know if On-Rev is on track to host multitouch browser interfaces? If so, I would suddenly have a compelling reason to get facile with On-Rev and HTML5. I would guess that the iOS version of Safari will eventually support multitouch? This video purports to show a Firefox browser window supporting multitouch painting: http://www.labnol.org/internet/firefox-logo-drawn-using-firefox/10579/ Walton Sumner From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Tue Jun 8 14:27:39 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:27:39 +0100 Subject: Stacks with transparent background Message-ID: Before I dive in with masks, multiple stacks and the like - any advice on how to achieve a stack with opaque controls and a transparent background. It seems that due to the nature of the inheritance using the blendlevel to make the stack window transparent means that all of its controls will be at least as transparent - so you cant have an opaque control and a transparent card background / window. Maybe there is a nice trick here with inks? The only thing I can think of is scripting something to create a mask or use multiple stacks. From williamdesmet at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 15:02:12 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:02:12 +0200 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? Message-ID: Hi there, I have a flashing button "1" with this script: ----------------------- *on* mouseenter *set* cursor to hand *lock* cursor *end* mouseenter *on* mouseleave *unlock* cursor *set* cursor to arrow *end* mouseleave *on* mouseUp *set* the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" to pink *repeat* *hide* me *wait* 25 ticks *show* me *wait* 25 ticks *end* *repeat* *end* mouseUp ----------------------- The idea is that while button "1" is flashing I want to click at button "2" so button "1" stops flashing and executes its own script: ----------------------- *on* mouseenter *set* cursor to hand *lock* cursor *end* mouseenter *on* mouseleave *unlock* cursor *set* cursor to arrow *end* mouseleave *on* mouseUp *set* the backgroundcolor of me to the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" *end* mouseUp ----------------------- I try adding 'repeat until the MouseClick' in button "1" but that only stops the flashing (what I want) but doesn't execute the script in button "2". To run the script on button "2" I have to click on button "2" again. So I have to click twice and that is not what I want :-(. Is this possible? Anyone has any other idea's on how to do this? Greetings, William From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jun 8 15:16:07 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:16:07 -0700 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> William- What's with the asterisks and the double spacing? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From williamdesmet at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 15:28:14 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:28:14 +0200 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? In-Reply-To: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> References: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark, That's just my way to make clear what I am doing. I do't use them in the script. Greetings, William 2010/6/8 Mark Wieder > William- > > What's with the asterisks and the double spacing? > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jun 8 16:07:13 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:07:13 -0700 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? In-Reply-To: References: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <105877586718.20100608130713@ahsoftware.net> William- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 12:28:14 PM, you wrote: > That's just my way to make clear what I am doing. It's too hard for me to read. I'll pass on this one. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rman at free.fr Tue Jun 8 16:09:08 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> Message-ID: <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> Yes indeed, Mike, i understand jerry's answer as far as server side accounts are concerned. I was just pointing out that in the context of "html5 local storage", if and when a web app uses that storage, then there are issues of security. I'm working on an eDemocracy site & app. i'll try hard to make it as secure as possible in order not to allow anybody to gather information about what somebody else think. What troubles me is at the same time to see a big move towards mobile advertisement AND the launching of HTML5 local storage which unlike cookies (which have caused trouble in the minds!) can have persistent datas, and much more datas. So I beleive it could be a good thing to be very clear on this data policy with users, for a change! Actually I do have a question on this HTML5 specifs : how can the user monitor datas? Has he got the right to go and inspect? or is it context dependant, e.i only a javascript program imbedded in a page of the said domain could get to the datas? If anybody has a clue, thanks! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2247953.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From williamdesmet at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 16:14:16 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:14:16 +0200 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? In-Reply-To: <105877586718.20100608130713@ahsoftware.net> References: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> <105877586718.20100608130713@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: @ Mark: easier to read now? Hi there, I have a flashing button "1" ?with this script: on mouseUp set the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" to pink ?? ? repeat ? ? hide me ? ? wait 25 ticks ? show me ? wait 25 ticks end repeat end mouseUp The idea is that while button "1" is flashing I want to click at button "2" ?so button "1" stops flashing and executes its own script: on mouseUp ?? set the backgroundcolor of me to the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" end mouseUp I try adding 'repeat until the MouseClick' in button "1" but that only stops the flashing (what I want) but doesn't execute the script in button "2". To run the script on button "2" I have to click on button "2" again. So I have to click twice and that is not what I want :-(. Is this possible? Anyone has any other idea's on how to do this? Greetings, William 2010/6/8 Mark Wieder > > William- > > Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 12:28:14 PM, you wrote: > > > That's just my way to make clear what I am doing. > > It's too hard for me to read. I'll pass on this one. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jun 8 16:23:49 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:23:49 -0700 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? In-Reply-To: References: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> <105877586718.20100608130713@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <136878583296.20100608132349@ahsoftware.net> William- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:14:16 PM, you wrote: > @ Mark: easier to read now? > Hi there, > I have a flashing button "1" ?with this script: > on mouseUp > set the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" to pink > ?? ? repeat > ? ? hide me > ? ? wait 25 ticks > ? show me > ? wait 25 ticks > end repeat > end mouseUp > The idea is that while button "1" is flashing I want to click at > button "2" ?so button "1" stops flashing and executes its own script: > on mouseUp > ?? set the backgroundcolor of me to the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" > end mouseUp > I try adding 'repeat until the MouseClick' in button "1" but that only > stops the flashing (what I want) but doesn't execute the script in > button "2". > To run the script on button "2" I have to click on button "2" again. > So I have to click twice and that is not what I want :-(. > Is this possible? > Anyone has any other idea's on how to do this? Yep - that's much better. Lots of ways to do this. Here's one: button1: on mouseUp set the IsFlashing of me to true send "flashme" to me in 25 ticks end mouseUp on flashme if the IsFlashing of button 1 then if the visible of me then hide me else show me end if send "flashme" to me in 25 ticks end if end flashme button 2: on mouseUp set the IsFlashing of button 1 to false end mouseUp -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue Jun 8 16:34:52 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:34:52 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> Robert, These are excellent issues and questions. We have a very robust discussion area for thoughts and comments from everyone. We also have monthly online (GoToMeeting) summits for pre-release registrants where we review all relevant technological issues...from syntax and language to architecture and scope. We want a healthy exchange of ideas while we build. It's our goal to have the highest performance, most secure solutions money can buy. We really want our hosting to be A-1. We have chosen a premium provider and review performance and configurations frequently. I have a good background in server-side architecture, security and performance. When I do run into my own ignorance, I know what to ask and whom to ask. Also, Sarah and MJ are very knowledgeable, and they ARE both mothers. They are endowed with great reserves of common sense and good judgement. HOWEVER... We are now in a gray area as far as discussion here on the How to Use Revolution list goes. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to appear unresponsive to your and other questions, but I also don't want to wear out my welcome here. I try to give quick answers and then redirect to our discussion group. So follow our discussion area and participate. It's free. Or better yet, actually get involved. Buy into the project and help guide it as we go one step at a time. We are going to listen most closely to the people we are committing to us and our project early-on. There aren't many opportunities to grow a new dev environment for a new class of device. This is a huge technical opportunity for everyone involved. Especially for Sarah, MJ and me. We want to share it with others, and we want it to be financially rewarding for the first 250 people involved (253 counting the three of us). Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > Yes indeed, Mike, i understand jerry's answer as far as server side > accounts > are concerned. > > I was just pointing out that in the context of "html5 local > storage", if and > when a web app uses that storage, then there are issues of security. > > I'm working on an eDemocracy site & app. i'll try hard to make it as > secure > as possible in order not to allow anybody to gather information > about what > somebody else think. > > What troubles me is at the same time to see a big move towards mobile > advertisement AND the launching of HTML5 local storage which unlike > cookies > (which have caused trouble in the minds!) can have persistent datas, > and > much more datas. > > So I beleive it could be a good thing to be very clear on this data > policy > with users, for a change! > > Actually I do have a question on this HTML5 specifs : how can the user > monitor datas? Has he got the right to go and inspect? or is it > context > dependant, e.i only a javascript program imbedded in a page of the > said > domain could get to the datas? If anybody has a clue, thanks! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jun 8 16:42:47 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:42:47 -0700 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> Message-ID: <1661008734.20100608134247@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:34:52 PM, you wrote: > people involved (253 counting the three of us). Dude- You need three more people to make it an even number. Although 253 is the product of two primes, which is also kind of cool. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Jun 8 16:43:45 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:43:45 -0700 Subject: Flash is buggy - Where have I heard that before? Message-ID: <4C0EAB81.5090006@fourthworld.com> Lynn Fredricks wrote: > I happen to like Javascript but, wow, you are so right. A lot of the trojans > out of the wild today take advantage of how insecure browsers are to deliver > payloads right through your browser. Sometimes your antivirus software will > catch it, othertimes not. Reminds me of one of my favorite Raneys posts, on buffer overruns: And this one: Excerpts: ...you should keep in mind that the average cobbled-together MetaCard server is going to be safer, at least WRT to buffer-overrun security problems (the easiest to exploit and most dangerous kind), than virtually any current open-source server program. This is obviously the case when compared with the FTP, HTTP, and BIND servers that are running on the majority of Internet hosts out there, all of which have multiple security holes like this, one of the buffer-overrun bugs in BIND (the DNS server) being the single most commonly exploited security hole in any server software. ... I certainly wouldn't rule out building or using MetaCard server software, even for protocols for which well-known (if buggy) open source software is widely available. While I don't see any big advantage to writing an FTP server in MetaCard, an HTTP server that executes CGI scripts is a different matter entirely and an area where a MetaCard server could be safer and feature-competitive with any of the alternatives. ... ...the ubiquity of buffer-overrun bugs in open source software rises to the level of criminal negligence. There is just no excuse for this kind of sloppy programming, yet not a week goes by that yet another example of this kind of thing isn't found in one of the commonly used open-source packages. I wouldn't blindly trust Microsoft software either, but at least the majority of the security holes in their products were put there deliberately to improve the usability of the products rather than as the result of poor security hygiene on the part of the developer. My advice is to not be afraid of this stuff. Sure, you have to be careful, but you can hardly do any worse a job than those hacks who are writing the software that runs the Internet ;-) :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue Jun 8 16:46:34 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:46:34 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <1661008734.20100608134247@ahsoftware.net> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> <1661008734.20100608134247@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <657560F9-8577-46C1-B8FA-D1B1393AF901@me.com> I am from Austin and studied the sub-genius manifesto with care. I believe in slack. 256 it is. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jerry- > > Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:34:52 PM, you wrote: > >> people involved (253 counting the three of us). > > Dude- > > You need three more people to make it an even number. Although 253 is > the product of two primes, which is also kind of cool. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Jun 8 16:46:41 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:46:41 -0300 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <20100608170004.D9C762882F2@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Walt, You're mixing things. On-Rev which is just a service provider for RevServer does not deal with the presentatation (HTML, CSS, JS) part of web applications, this is left to the programmer. RevServer is a server side engine not unlike php. It doesn't do the presentation layer but the back end layer behind that. As far as I know, Safari Mobile already supports multitouch. Developers seldon make use of it though. I think that Safari sends touch events for the different fingers. Andre On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Sumner, Walt wrote: > Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but it looks like Firefox > 4 (or 3.7, or earlier) hopes to deliver HTML5 and multitouch, as well as the > local data storage. Do we know if On-Rev is on track to host multitouch > browser interfaces? If so, I would suddenly have a compelling reason to get > facile with On-Rev and HTML5. > > I would guess that the iOS version of Safari will eventually support > multitouch? > > This video purports to show a Firefox browser window supporting multitouch > painting: > http://www.labnol.org/internet/firefox-logo-drawn-using-firefox/10579/ > > Walton Sumner > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Jun 8 16:47:20 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:47:20 -0700 Subject: Stacks with transparent background In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, David Bovill wrote: > Before I dive in with masks, multiple stacks and the like - any advice on > how to achieve a stack with opaque controls and a transparent background. It > seems that due to the nature of the inheritance using the blendlevel to make > the stack window transparent means that all of its controls will be at least > as transparent - so you cant have an opaque control and a transparent card > background / window. > > Maybe there is a nice trick here with inks? The only thing I can think of is > scripting something to create a mask or use multiple stacks. The short answer is, you must create a custom bitmap to mask the window, and each control must have its own opaque region in the mask to make them non-translucent. Setting the blendLevel of the stack will not work, nor will the use of any ink effects. The long answer is in this thread (a couple of demo stacks are referenced): Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jmyepes at mac.com Tue Jun 8 17:29:03 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1276032543134-2248067.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Jan, And this can work if the word have images? I can't... :( Salut, Josep M. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2248067.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Tue Jun 8 17:31:10 2010 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:31:10 -0400 Subject: Sizing Columns to Fit Message-ID: <650FC35A-46E2-43B8-AB3E-9FBA6114343C@videotron.ca> Hello everyone, When I import tab-delimited data files, I'd like to be able to set the tab stops in a field so that each column displays its entire contents the way a spreadsheet does when you size-to-fit. It's easy to loop through the lines of the file to find the maximum number of characters in each column, but I'm not sure how to convert that to tab stops in pixels. Any tips? Gregory From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Jun 8 17:58:35 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:58:35 +1000 Subject: Sizing Columns to Fit In-Reply-To: <650FC35A-46E2-43B8-AB3E-9FBA6114343C@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On 9/06/10 7:31 AM, "Gregory Lypny" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > When I import tab-delimited data files, I'd like to be able to set the tab > stops in a field so that each column displays its entire contents the way a > spreadsheet does when you size-to-fit. It's easy to loop through the lines of > the file to find the maximum number of characters in each column, but I'm not > sure how to convert that to tab stops in pixels. Any tips? Check out the dictionary entry for formattedWidth. If you're using a fixed width font then all you need to do is find the maximum length of each column and get the formatted width of the first word of that length. If not then do the same and then add a few pixels just to be safe. Terry... > > Gregory > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From niggemann at uni-wh.de Tue Jun 8 18:08:45 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sizing Columns to Fit In-Reply-To: <650FC35A-46E2-43B8-AB3E-9FBA6114343C@videotron.ca> References: <650FC35A-46E2-43B8-AB3E-9FBA6114343C@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1276034925998-2248104.post@n4.nabble.com> Gregory, you might want to have a look at http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/428/OldTableFieldDragDividers in the script of the field is a handler: adjustToWidthOfContent that does what you want. Additionally you can adjust the width of the columns by manually dragging the divider lines. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Sizing-Columns-to-Fit-tp2248069p2248104.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Jun 8 18:15:37 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:15:37 -0400 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Walt, The iOS version of Safari already supports multitouch and has for a while now. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Sumner, Walt wrote: > Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but it looks like Firefox 4 (or 3.7, or earlier) hopes to deliver HTML5 and multitouch, as well as the local data storage. Do we know if On-Rev is on track to host multitouch browser interfaces? If so, I would suddenly have a compelling reason to get facile with On-Rev and HTML5. > > I would guess that the iOS version of Safari will eventually support multitouch? > > This video purports to show a Firefox browser window supporting multitouch painting: > http://www.labnol.org/internet/firefox-logo-drawn-using-firefox/10579/ > > Walton Sumner > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sundown at pacifier.com Tue Jun 8 18:21:46 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:21:46 -0700 Subject: Sizing Columns to Fit In-Reply-To: <650FC35A-46E2-43B8-AB3E-9FBA6114343C@videotron.ca> References: <650FC35A-46E2-43B8-AB3E-9FBA6114343C@videotron.ca> Message-ID: You can use Dynamic Table Field. It is located in the old Rev Online stacks section under the user sundown. The code is in the field. -=>JB<=- On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > When I import tab-delimited data files, I'd like to be able to set > the tab stops in a field so that each column displays its entire > contents the way a spreadsheet does when you size-to-fit. It's > easy to loop through the lines of the file to find the maximum > number of characters in each column, but I'm not sure how to > convert that to tab stops in pixels. Any tips? > > Gregory > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jmyepes at mac.com Tue Jun 8 18:20:36 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1276032543134-2248067.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1276032543134-2248067.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1276035636973-2248114.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi again, Some questions for the experts... How can open or print a RTF file without Word? TextEdit loss the images and format of tables... How can open and print from Applescript without view the flashing RTF file? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2248114.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From slord at karbonized.com Tue Jun 8 20:53:59 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:53:59 -0400 Subject: Detect background application... Message-ID: Is there a way to have a stack know if it's not *focused*? Can this also be done if the stack is not the foreground application? From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Jun 8 20:58:35 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:58:35 -0700 Subject: Detect background application... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Simon Lord wrote: > Is there a way to have a stack know if it's not *focused*? Can this > also be done if the stack is not the foreground application? Might want to take a look at suspend/resume, suspendStack/resumeStack. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jun 8 21:00:08 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:00:08 +1000 Subject: Detect background application... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Simon Lord wrote: > Is there a way to have a stack know if it's not *focused*? ?Can this > also be done if the stack is not the foreground application? On a Mac, you can do this using AppleScript. Here are my handlers for this: function isAppAtFront pAppName if isAppRunning(pAppName) = false then return false put " tell application " & quote & "System Events" & quote & cr & \ "get the frontmost of application process" & quote & pAppName & quote & cr & \ "end tell" into tScript do tScript as AppleScript return the result end isAppAtFront function isAppRunning pAppName put "tell application " & quote & "System Events" & quote & cr into tScript put "return (exists application process " & quote & pAppname & quote & ")" & cr after tScript put "end tell" after tScript do tScript as AppleScript return the result end isAppRunning -- Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jun 8 23:11:59 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:11:59 -0500 Subject: Detect background application... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0F067F.9070908@hyperactivesw.com> Simon Lord wrote: > Is there a way to have a stack know if it's not *focused*? Can this > also be done if the stack is not the foreground application? If your stacks use standard windows, you can check whether the stack you're interested in is the topstack or not. (It won't work with palettes and modals.) That should still work even if the app itself is in the background. I'm assuming you're running a script in Rev that needs the info. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From slord at karbonized.com Tue Jun 8 23:46:07 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:46:07 -0400 Subject: Detect background application... In-Reply-To: References: <4C0F067F.9070908@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys! Got it doing what I need now. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > Thanks guys! ?Got it doing what I need now. > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:11 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: >> Simon Lord wrote: >> >>> Is there a way to have a stack know if it's not *focused*? ?Can this >>> also be done if the stack is not the foreground application? >> >> If your stacks use standard windows, you can check whether the stack you're >> interested in is the topstack or not. (It won't work with palettes and >> modals.) That should still work even if the app itself is in the background. >> I'm assuming you're running a script in Rev that needs the info. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > From slord at karbonized.com Tue Jun 8 23:57:25 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:57:25 -0400 Subject: iTunes style titlebar Message-ID: Is it possible to *assign* a style that mimics the thickness of the iTunes.app? The CODA application has the same thickness (~120px high). I couldn't do it so I figured I'd just trap the mouse position and drag the window when the user clicks on the space just below the titlebar (in order to simulate a thicker titlebar). It works great, but the bugger drags the whole app right off the top of the screen. Mac OS apps don't allow the titlebar to be dragged under the OS menu and now I have a few options: 1) Does RunRev support a thinker title bar that we can mount icons onto etc. (like CODA, iTunes...) 2) Properly detect the top of the stack and exit script before user drags stack under OS X system menu bar (tried, doesn't work) I'd be happy with any solution where the *feel* of OS X integrity is upheld. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jun 9 00:01:33 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:01:33 -0700 Subject: iTunes style titlebar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11827335093.20100608210133@ahsoftware.net> Simon- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:57:25 PM, you wrote: > 2) Properly detect the top of the stack and exit script before user > drags stack under OS X system menu bar (tried, doesn't work) Can you constrain the mouseloc to the working screenrect? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Jun 9 00:05:59 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:05:59 +1000 Subject: iTunes style titlebar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like a job for either a custom window shape or, if you're happy with a window with square top corners, a window with the decorations set to empty and a faked titlebar. Here's a script I use for dragging a custom window around by its 'titlebar' that constrains the upper and lower limits of the drag (watch out for line wraps) local pDown, pXOffset, pYOffset, pT, pB on mouseEnter put false into pDown end mouseEnter on mouseDown put true into pDown put the mouseH into pXOffset put the mouseV into pYOffset put the screenRect into tRect if platform() = "MacOS" then put 20 into pT put item 4 of tRect - 28 into pB else put 0 into pT put item 4 of tRect - 63 into pB end if end mouseDown on mouseUp put false into pDown end mouseUp on mouseRelease put false into pDown end mouseRelease on mouseMove x,y if pDown then put x-pXOffset into tX put y-pYOffset into tY put globalLoc((tX,tY)) into tTL set the topleft of this stack to (item 1 of tTL,min(max(pT,item 2 of tTL),pB)) end if end mouseMove HTH, Terry... On 9/06/10 1:57 PM, "Simon Lord" wrote: > Is it possible to *assign* a style that mimics the thickness of the > iTunes.app? The CODA application has the same thickness (~120px > high). > > I couldn't do it so I figured I'd just trap the mouse position and > drag the window when the user clicks on the space just below the > titlebar (in order to simulate a thicker titlebar). It works great, > but the bugger drags the whole app right off the top of the screen. > Mac OS apps don't allow the titlebar to be dragged under the OS menu > and now I have a few options: > > 1) Does RunRev support a thinker title bar that we can mount icons > onto etc. (like CODA, iTunes...) > 2) Properly detect the top of the stack and exit script before user > drags stack under OS X system menu bar (tried, doesn't work) > > I'd be happy with any solution where the *feel* of OS X integrity is upheld. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From slord at karbonized.com Wed Jun 9 00:23:34 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 00:23:34 -0400 Subject: iTunes style titlebar In-Reply-To: <11827335093.20100608210133@ahsoftware.net> References: <11827335093.20100608210133@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Hmmm, I'll have to try this out in tomorrow nights' sprint. It sounds promising. :) And if it doesn't, I'll try Terry's code which is very similar to mine (possibly missing a line or two which is causing me the grief). Thanks for the tips, always appreciated. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Simon- > > Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:57:25 PM, you wrote: > >> 2) Properly detect the top of the stack and exit script before user >> drags stack under OS X system menu bar (tried, doesn't work) > > Can you constrain the mouseloc to the working screenrect? > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 01:39:11 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:39:11 +0800 Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <92c3e.5ecde958.393fa1ed@aol.com> References: <92c3e.5ecde958.393fa1ed@aol.com> Message-ID: Craig, Agreed, which is why I pointed out that some methods were not foolproof. My main aim was to point out that there were alternative ways to skin the cat. Depending on your needs one will probably be better than another. I guess clean is in the eye of the beholder. And as for onerous, I've generally discovered that taking the easy option at the beginning ALWAYS comes and bites me down the road; typically in speed. Personally, going to the trouble of layering all input fields together at the beginning so I can do: repeat with x = 1 to 100 put empty into field x end repeat appears cleaner to me than: repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields if the cIsLabel of field x = false then put empty into field x end if end repeat Also, logical it must take longer to execute as there will be at least twice as many iterations of the repeat cycle, but lets not use logic, lets check the numbers:-) The below results are from a card with 100 normal fields (to be cleared, cIsLabel = false, lockText = false), + 10 normal fields whose lockText is true (not to be cleared, cIsLabel = true, lockText = true) and 100 label fields (not to be cleared, cIsLabel = true, lockText = true). The result are for 1000 repeats of clearing the 100 normal fields only: Layer: Min = 1ms, Max = 2ms, Avg = 1ms for 100 iterations. cLabel: Min = 5ms, Max = 6ms, Avg = 5ms for 210 iterations. lockText: Min = 2ms, Max = 4ms, Avg = 3ms for 210 iterations. Content: Min = 3ms, Max = 4ms, Avg = 3ms for 210 iterations. Note the results are significantly slower if you don't 'lock screen'! Most of this Richard has told us before; Fastest - layer the objects so you can use repeat with the exact number of objects. Fast - if you must step through every object, if possible use an inbuilt property to perform the validity test. Slow - custom properties are slower than in built properties. Slowest - We all know accessing the content of a field is slow, but I'm surprised at how quick it can be, but I also discovered the results can be hugely effected by the size of the content and the type of test performed to determine if it needs to be cleared or not - I used what appeared to be the fasted, not much content and a simple = test. HTH On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:38 PM, wrote: > The properties mentioned are not intrinsic to label fields, they are just > defaults at creation, and may be common to other fields. Certainly > sharedText > and lockText could be. All the other suggestions are valid as far as they > go, naming, numbering, layering, etc., but these may not be convenient, or > constant, and may be tedious to manage down the road. In other words, they > may > not go very far. > > Naming them with a unique beginning string is pretty robust, I guess; I've > done that. But I still think that creating a custom property is the > cleanest > way. It isn't so onerous, after all. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 01:49:42 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:49:42 +0800 Subject: iTunes style titlebar In-Reply-To: References: <11827335093.20100608210133@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > Hmmm, I'll have to try this out in tomorrow nights' sprint. Does this mean you are in training for Andres' July coding sprint? Now I do feel inadequate ;-))) From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 04:01:18 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:01:18 -0700 Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1276035636973-2248114.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1276032543134-2248067.post@n4.nabble.com> <1276035636973-2248114.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: "Pure" RTF text files created by Rev are a styled text format that is readable by Word and most text editors, but does not include images. On the mac, RTF documents (note the suffix .rtfd) created by TextEdit are actually BUNDLES, not files, and contain the RTF file and the graphic files. RTF files saved by Word I believe do not save images either, that is for the .doc format. On 8 June 2010 15:20, JosepM wrote: > > Hi again, > > Some questions for the experts... > > How can open or print a RTF file without Word? TextEdit loss the images and > format of tables... > > How can open and print from Applescript without view the flashing RTF file? > > > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2248114.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From janschenkel at yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 04:25:18 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <280454.97753.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I recall a post from November 2008 where Franz B?hmisch posted a way to embed images into RTF files, followed by Ken Ray's abstraction of said method. Searching the use-revolution archives, I found these two links for you: Other than that, I'm afraid there's no built-in way to print those RTF documents and you'd have to rely on the presence of MS Word on the end-user machine. While it's nearly ubiquitous on Windows, MacOSX is another matter so you may have to decypher the .rtfd bundle format that TextEdit uses, to cram your images into it. Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Wed, 6/9/10, stephen barncard wrote: > > "Pure" RTF text files created by Rev > are a styled text format that is > readable by Word and most text editors, but does not > include images. > > ? On the mac, RTF documents (note the suffix .rtfd) > created by TextEdit are > actually BUNDLES, not files, and contain the RTF file and > the graphic files. > RTF files saved by Word I believe do not save images > either,? that is for > the .doc format. > > On 8 June 2010 15:20, JosepM > wrote: > > > > > Hi again, > > > > Some questions for the experts... > > > > How can open or print a RTF file without Word? > TextEdit loss the images and > > format of tables... > > > > How can open and print from Applescript without view > the flashing RTF file? > > > > > > > > Salut, > > Josep > > From williamdesmet at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 05:09:30 2010 From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:09:30 +0200 Subject: Repeat until the MouseClick to stop 'flashing' button? In-Reply-To: <136878583296.20100608132349@ahsoftware.net> References: <6874520750.20100608121607@ahsoftware.net> <105877586718.20100608130713@ahsoftware.net> <136878583296.20100608132349@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Thanks Mark, Works great so far! 2010/6/8 Mark Wieder : > William- > > Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:14:16 PM, you wrote: > >> @ Mark: easier to read now? > >> Hi there, > >> I have a flashing button "1" ?with this script: >> on mouseUp >> set the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" to pink >> ?? ? repeat >> ? ? hide me >> ? ? wait 25 ticks >> ? show me >> ? wait 25 ticks >> end repeat >> end mouseUp > >> The idea is that while button "1" is flashing I want to click at >> button "2" ?so button "1" stops flashing and executes its own script: >> on mouseUp >> ?? set the backgroundcolor of me to the backgroundcolor of grc "dummy" >> end mouseUp > >> I try adding 'repeat until the MouseClick' in button "1" but that only >> stops the flashing (what I want) but doesn't execute the script in >> button "2". >> To run the script on button "2" I have to click on button "2" again. >> So I have to click twice and that is not what I want :-(. > >> Is this possible? >> Anyone has any other idea's on how to do this? > > Yep - that's much better. Lots of ways to do this. Here's one: > > button1: > > on mouseUp > ?set the IsFlashing of me to true > ?send "flashme" to me in 25 ticks > end mouseUp > > on flashme > ?if the IsFlashing of button 1 then > ? ?if the visible of me then > ? ? ?hide me > ? ?else > ? ? ?show me > ? ?end if > ? ?send "flashme" to me in 25 ticks > ?end if > end flashme > > > button 2: > > on mouseUp > ?set the IsFlashing of button 1 to false > end mouseUp > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 9 09:17:51 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:17:51 -0300 Subject: iTunes style titlebar In-Reply-To: References: <11827335093.20100608210133@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: \O/ Warm Up Team!!! On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > > > Hmmm, I'll have to try this out in tomorrow nights' sprint. > > > Does this mean you are in training for Andres' July coding sprint? > > Now I do feel inadequate ;-))) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Wed Jun 9 09:31:29 2010 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:31:29 -0400 Subject: Sizing Columns to Fit In-Reply-To: <20100609040557.99B3F28831C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100609040557.99B3F28831C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded. Good suggestions. I will look into each one. Gregory From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Wed Jun 9 10:03:47 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:03:47 -0700 Subject: Stacks with transparent background Message-ID: Under Windows I have an external that allows you to set a stack a colour and then make that colour transparent.. Under Mac OS X there are two ways to create a window - composite and non-composite. Rev creates windows (stacks) as non-composite and therefore cannot create a transparent window with opaque controls.. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Wed Jun 9 11:20:42 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:20:42 +0100 Subject: Stacks with transparent background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting - thanks! Any reason you know of for not choosing composite windows on OSX - I take it you can't port your external to OSX without that :) On 9 June 2010 15:03, Shao Sean wrote: > > Under Windows I have an external that allows you to set a stack a colour > and then make that colour transparent.. Under Mac OS X there are two ways > to create a window - composite and non-composite. Rev creates windows > (stacks) as non-composite and therefore cannot create a transparent window > with opaque controls. > From jmyepes at mac.com Wed Jun 9 12:18:30 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <280454.97753.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1276032543134-2248067.post@n4.nabble.com> <1276035636973-2248114.post@n4.nabble.com> <280454.97753.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1276100310134-2249102.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, Here my tests... In MacOSX the RTF is RTFD that is a bundle as explained Jan. Showing the contents of bundle you can found one TXT.rtf file that contain the text and the n files for the asociated images used in the creation of the file from TextEdit. Steps. 1 Open TextEdit and create your template using images and positioning using tables if you need. If not put your text formated as you need. 2 Where you need replace some part, use the [[myreplacedtext1]] using [[ to open and ]] to close. As Jan show in her link above. 3 Save as RTFD 4 Open from Rev with the following code. The question is to open the TXT.rtf file and modify it. 5 Open directly from TextEdit and Print using Rev or Applescript. Pro No MS Word need. Easy way to use templates for the user. Con Poor alignment format, only tables, so to build some document A4 or Letter for example you need to check the lines, footers, etc... on mouseUp put mactoiso("????_test") into text1 put "This a long text to see how is showed inside the rtf file" into description put "Bottom text" into footer put the system date into tDate answer file "Where is the template file?" if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into theTemplateFile -- Duplicate the file with a new name put "TXT.rtf" into tFichero put theTemplateFile & "/" & tFichero into tTheFile put URL("binfile:" & tTheFile) into theRTFtext set the fileType to "MSWDRTF " put merge(theRTFtext) into URL ("binfile:" & tTheFile) end mouseUp Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2249102.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 12:52:13 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:52:13 +0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? Message-ID: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> So; my G4 MAC went wonky; very wonky. So; I ran out and spent 150 Euros on a Maxell 1.5 TB 'Tank' with a USB2 interface; and spend the better part of 9 days backing the computer up (remember the useful motto: "never do the sensible thing until after the disaster happens") For those who are interested in this type of thing; the MAC wouldn't 'see' the 1.5 TB disk for WRITE until it had been partitioned into 10 150 GB partions. The G4 MAC only has USB1 ports . . . So; late to the table as usual . . . :) Can anybody recommend a USB2 card I can pop in the back of my G4? Hey; maybe there is a way to ensure that restoration doesn't take another 9 days. From cszasz at mac.com Wed Jun 9 13:03:04 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <92c3e.5ecde958.393fa1ed@aol.com> References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> <92c3e.5ecde958.393fa1ed@aol.com> Message-ID: <2F6F79D7-91CD-4C24-BFBC-BE0BFB05C9F0@mac.com> Craig, I made some changes in my script, which works. I am carefully checking any field on a marked card to see if there are problems. Here is the revised script on mouseUp repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds ------> Clears fields on marked cards repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y if the lockText of field u of card y is false then put empty into field u of marked card y -- if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y end repeat end repeat end mouseUp What do you think? Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:39 AM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > The properties mentioned are not intrinsic to label fields, they are just > defaults at creation, and may be common to other fields. Certainly sharedText > and lockText could be. All the other suggestions are valid as far as they > go, naming, numbering, layering, etc., but these may not be convenient, or > constant, and may be tedious to manage down the road. In other words, they may > not go very far. > > Naming them with a unique beginning string is pretty robust, I guess; I've > done that. But I still think that creating a custom property is the cleanest > way. It isn't so onerous, after all. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2247389.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249168.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 13:07:03 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:07:03 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, do you have a problem with Firewire? Even FW 400 is way faster than USB2 for extended disk operations. (IMHO) USB is for mice and keyboards and USB sticks. On 9 June 2010 09:52, Richmond wrote: > So; my G4 MAC went wonky; very wonky. > > So; I ran out and spent 150 Euros on a Maxell 1.5 TB 'Tank' with > a USB2 interface; and spend the better part of 9 days backing > the computer up (remember the useful motto: "never do the > sensible thing until after the disaster happens") > > For those who are interested in this type of thing; the MAC wouldn't 'see' > the 1.5 TB disk for WRITE until it had been partitioned into 10 150 GB > partions. > > The G4 MAC only has USB1 ports . . . > > So; late to the table as usual . . . :) > > Can anybody recommend a USB2 card I can pop in the back of my G4? > > Hey; maybe there is a way to ensure that restoration doesn't > take another 9 days. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From slord at karbonized.com Wed Jun 9 13:16:40 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:16:40 -0400 Subject: Banner ads... Message-ID: When I last used MetaCard it had basic support for HTML rendering. RunRev seems to do more so I'm curious to know if anyone has successfully built an app with banner ads in the UI. Does it work? From jmyepes at mac.com Wed Jun 9 13:20:36 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1276100310134-2249102.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <587796.69918.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1276032543134-2248067.post@n4.nabble.com> <1276035636973-2248114.post@n4.nabble.com> <280454.97753.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1276100310134-2249102.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1276104036453-2249205.post@n4.nabble.com> Update code using theRTFText of field XXXX The revCopyFile don't copy the bundle, only create the file so searching for the list I found a piece of code to copy using the shell. If someone want the stack and the RTF file to test email me and I send you. Salut, Josep on mouseUp put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto1) into texto1 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto2) into texto2 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto_f1c1) into texto_f1c1 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto_f1c2) into texto_f1c2 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto_f1c3) into texto_f1c3 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto_f2c1) into texto_f2c1 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto_f2c2) into texto_f2c2 put mactoiso(the RTFText of fld f_texto_f2c3) into texto_f2c3 answer file "Where is the template file?" if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into theTemplateFile ask file "Save your message as:" with "TheResultingRTF.rtfd" if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into theMergedFile set the fileType to "MSWDRTF " -- put ("cp -R -p ""e&theTemplateFile"e&"e&theMergedFile"e) into tCommand get shell(tCommand) -- put TXT & ".rtf" into tFichero put theTemplateFile & "/" & tFichero into tTheFile put URL("binfile:" & tTheFile) into theRTFtext set the fileType to "MSWDRTF " put merge(theRTFtext) into URL ("binfile:" & theMergedFile & "/" & tFichero) end mouseUp -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2249205.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Jun 9 13:31:10 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:31:10 +0200 Subject: Banner ads... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E7EB08F-2F7C-4AF1-87F2-F4F5B130EC16@major.on-rev.com> Hi Simon, > When I last used MetaCard it had basic support for HTML rendering. > RunRev seems to do more so I'm curious to know if anyone has > successfully built an app with banner ads in the UI. Does it work? if you mean a gif/jpeg file as the banner then this is nothing more than setting the filename of an (empty) image object to an url on any HTTP server! But FLASH will also work if you use a browser object! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 14:10:38 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:10:38 +0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> On 06/09/2010 08:07 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Richmond, do you have a problem with Firewire? Even FW 400 is way faster > than USB2 for extended disk operations. (IMHO) USB is for mice and keyboards > and USB sticks. > > NO! I have no problem at all with Firewire; and, just as soon as I have my G4 up-and-running I am going to yank out a 750 GB ATA disk I have inside and pop it into a LaCie Firewire-&-USB external box I have. YES! Bulgaria has a problem with Firewire as (well, at least in Plovdiv) there are about 10 Macs in the country, and 4 of them are mine; so nobody sells a Firewire external thing here. Once I have hoicked out the 750 GB and got it inside the Firewire box I shall; glacially slowly, pop all my USB backup onto that - but, a USB2 card (I saw one online by Allegro) would expedite matters considerably. The 1.5 TB could then be connected up to a P4 I am currently using with kids I teach to do a remake of "Snow White and the incredibly expanding list of pupils" with puppets made from old socks: no doubt knocking everything out of competition at Cannes next year . . . :) And before you ask; the 'pupils', being made of socks, will be called "mouldy, manky, sweaty, cheesy, holey" and so on! "USB is for mice and keyboards and USB sticks." try telling that to some salesperson in a computer shop here in Bulgaria; first off, they haven't heard of Firewire! What is not at all clear to me is what is actually inside the Maxell Tank; documentation is minimal to say the least, and I am reluctant to open the thing up until its guarantee expires (2 years); but, for a 1.5 TB disk it is rather cheap. Should it contain a PATA or a SATA disk I am wondering about buying an empty Firewire enclosure in Britain (will be over there for 12 days at the start of August) to transfer it to. -------------------------------------- The whole thing, ultimately, boils down to my own stupidity. I should have realised that a G4 Mac at 7 years old just might throw a tantrum; and I should have made proviso for that; but didn't. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 14:13:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:13:23 +0300 Subject: Klaus . . . :) In-Reply-To: <2E7EB08F-2F7C-4AF1-87F2-F4F5B130EC16@major.on-rev.com> References: <2E7EB08F-2F7C-4AF1-87F2-F4F5B130EC16@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <4C0FD9C3.6080009@gmail.com> Hello Klaus, So glad to see that you are "back with us"; I do hope that everything has smoothed itself out. I am putting this message on the Use-List as I am sure my sentiments are supported by everyone. Love you, you "rotten old chap"! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Jun 9 14:13:38 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:13:38 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: I think you are almost there. But I would not use the In a message dated 6/9/10 1:03:14 PM, cszasz at mac.com writes: > Craig, > > I made some changes in my script, which works. I am carefully checking any > field on a marked card to see if there are problems. > > Here is the revised script > > on mouseUp > ?? repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds ------> Clears fields on > marked cards > ? ? ? repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y > ? ? ? ?? > ? ? ? ?? if the lockText of field u of card y is false then put empty into > field u of marked card y > ? ? ? ?? --? ? ? ?? if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS > "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y > ? ? ? end repeat > ?? end repeat > end mouseUp > > What do you think? > > Charles Szasz > From cszasz at mac.com Wed Jun 9 14:15:17 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <95E2A58A-E11C-4BE3-9F48-8BF4A3CD7493@mac.com> Dunbarx Your last part of your e-mail was cut off. Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:14 PM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > I think you are almost there. But I would not use the > In a message dated 6/9/10 1:03:14 PM, [hidden email] writes: > > > > Craig, > > > > I made some changes in my script, which works. I am carefully checking any > > field on a marked card to see if there are problems. > > > > Here is the revised script > > > > on mouseUp > > repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds ------> Clears fields on > > marked cards > > repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y > > > > if the lockText of field u of card y is false then put empty into > > field u of marked card y > > -- if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS > > "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y > > end repeat > > end repeat > > end mouseUp > > > > What do you think? > > > > Charles Szasz > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249275.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249276.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Jun 9 14:16:16 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:16:16 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: Charles, I think you are almost there. But I would not use the "locktext" to distinguish label fields from all my other fields, for reasons already discussed. I would set a custom property: if the isLabel of field u of card y is "true" then put empty into field u of marked card y This is clean and unassailable. Craig In a message dated 6/9/10 1:03:14 PM, cszasz at mac.com writes: > Craig, > > I made some changes in my script, which works. I am carefully checking any > field on a marked card to see if there are problems. > > Here is the revised script > > on mouseUp > ?? repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds ------> Clears fields on > marked cards > ? ? ? repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y > ? ? ? ?? > ? ? ? ?? if the lockText of field u of card y is false then put empty into > field u of marked card y > ? ? ? ?? --? ? ? ?? if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS > "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y > ? ? ? end repeat > ?? end repeat > end mouseUp > > What do you think? > > Charles Szasz > From cszasz at mac.com Wed Jun 9 14:24:43 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3313330F-FC95-4031-9EB3-D41E9DB705AE@mac.com> Craig, Well, I have 72 cards and I had locked the label fields two weeks ago. But I will try your suggestion. I need practice in creating custom property! Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:16 PM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > Charles, > > I think you are almost there. But I would not use the "locktext" to > distinguish label fields from all my other fields, for reasons already discussed. I > would set a custom property: > > if the isLabel of field u of card y is "true" then put empty into field u > of marked card y > > This is clean and unassailable. > > Craig > > > In a message dated 6/9/10 1:03:14 PM, [hidden email] writes: > > > > Craig, > > > > I made some changes in my script, which works. I am carefully checking any > > field on a marked card to see if there are problems. > > > > Here is the revised script > > > > on mouseUp > > repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds ------> Clears fields on > > marked cards > > repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y > > > > if the lockText of field u of card y is false then put empty into > > field u of marked card y > > -- if the short name of field u of marked card y CONTAINS > > "field" then put empty into field u of marked card y > > end repeat > > end repeat > > end mouseUp > > > > What do you think? > > > > Charles Szasz > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249279.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249293.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 14:28:12 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:28:12 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> Message-ID: There are no PATA drives over 500 gig. The technology shifted after that point. Yeah, old G4s. I have a bunch of them. I know. G4s kinda like Tiger but they really don't like Leopard. Some of the later ones (as well as my G5 ) have these giant processor sections with liquid cooling and outside pipes that look like miniatures of the first hydrogen bomb. TIGER DIRECT has a cheap ($14) USB card that seems to be rated for Mac and has good reviews http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4143850&csid=_25 On 9 June 2010 11:10, Richmond wrote: > > What is not at all clear to me is what is actually inside the Maxell Tank; > documentation is minimal > to say the least, and I am reluctant to open the thing up until its > guarantee expires (2 years); but, > for a 1.5 TB disk it is rather cheap. Should it contain a PATA or a SATA > disk I am wondering about > buying an empty Firewire enclosure in Britain (will be over there for 12 > days at the start of August) > to transfer it to. > > -------------------------------------- > > The whole thing, ultimately, boils down to my own stupidity. I should have > realised that a G4 Mac at > 7 years old just might throw a tantrum; and I should have made proviso for > that; but didn't. > > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 14:37:22 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:37:22 +0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C0FDF62.5020100@gmail.com> On 06/09/2010 09:28 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > There are no PATA drives over 500 gig. The technology shifted after that > point. > That is NOT true; I have a 750 PATA (IDE/ATA) drive in my G4; ordered it through Amazon.uk about 2 years ago. It seems hard to obtain PATA drives nowadays; this is sad as I have about 5 perfectly serviceable Pentium 4s lying around that, with decent size hard drives (i.e. not the 20 GB ones they currently have) could be 'thrown' at quite a few of my pupils for the cost of a PATA drive (80-160 GB) and Mint XFCE; for which they would be very happy. > Yeah, old G4s. I have a bunch of them. I know. G4s kinda like Tiger but they > really don't like Leopard. Some of the later ones (as well as my G5 ) have > these giant processor sections with liquid cooling and outside pipes that > look like miniatures of the first hydrogen bomb. > > TIGER DIRECT has a cheap ($14) USB card that seems to be rated for Mac and > has good reviews > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4143850&csid=_25 > > Thank you very much for the link. I wonder why, as well as having 4 external USB2 ports it has 2 internal ones: I'd be hard-put to squeeze anything else inside my G4; although a second fan (err??? possibly connected to an internal USB port) might not be a bad thing. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 14:38:03 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:38:03 -0700 Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: <3313330F-FC95-4031-9EB3-D41E9DB705AE@mac.com> References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> <3313330F-FC95-4031-9EB3-D41E9DB705AE@mac.com> Message-ID: That's the good part! It's just as easy as setting the Rev property The custom property is 'created' by just setting a name you pick to some data. (don't forget the 'the' ) set the SillyPropertyName of field "myField" to myData -- myData can be any text or even binary or a stack ! get the SillyPropertyName of field "myfield" put it -- into msg box easy!! Custom properties are the greatest thing since sliced bread. sqb On 9 June 2010 11:24, charles61 wrote: > > Craig, > > Well, I have 72 cards and I had locked the label fields two weeks ago. But > I will try your suggestion. I need practice in creating custom property! > > Charles Szasz > cszasz at mac.com > > > From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Jun 9 14:44:16 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:16 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: Charles. Custom properties are very simple and very powerful. They work just like any other property. You just make them up. Write: set the isLabel of field "yourField" to "true" --isLabel is the new custom property Then ask: answer the isLabel of fld "yourField" You will get "true". You will set the isLabel of all your other fields to "false". You can do this in a script. This property is separate from the ordinary properties of your fields. For example, you might want a locked field in your application for some reason, and that would then interfere with your ability to distinguish it from a label field. From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 14:46:04 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:46:04 -0600 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yep, since Jerry's initial answer hadn't exactly covered what was being, I just posted the relevant section for him. So I guess I was pointing out the point of your pointing. . *grin* On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > Yes indeed, Mike, i understand jerry's answer as far as server side accounts > are concerned. > > I was just pointing out that in the context of "html5 local storage", if and > when a web app uses that storage, then there are issues of security. > > I'm working on an eDemocracy site & app. i'll try hard to make it as secure > as possible in order not to allow anybody to gather information about what > somebody else think. > > What troubles me is at the same time to see a big move towards mobile > advertisement AND the launching of HTML5 local storage which unlike cookies > (which have caused trouble in the minds!) can have persistent datas, and > much more datas. > > So I beleive it could be a good thing to be very clear on this data policy > with users, for a change! > > Actually I do have a question on this HTML5 specifs : how can the user > monitor datas? Has he got the right to go and inspect? or is it context > dependant, e.i only a javascript program imbedded in a page of the said > domain could get to the datas? If anybody has a clue, thanks! > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2247953.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rman at free.fr Wed Jun 9 14:50:47 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? Message-ID: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> I really wonder how many people actually are out there... what is the runrev community like, in numbers!? about 120 people on the google map, I assume the core of the group http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 tRev mentionned 100 users, less than 20 interested in the doc. Would be interesting to gather facts around to have a clearer view. Is there a way to get to know the number of users of the nabble runrev list? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/runrev-community-how-many-licenses-How-many-users-How-many-developpers-tp2249326p2249326.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rman at free.fr Wed Jun 9 14:57:32 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> Message-ID: <1276109852035-2249336.post@n4.nabble.com> I get the point about to be here or not to be here, Jerry. I'll go sign in and get enrolled in the rodeo trip. See you there! Nevertheless, discussing the know how and limitations of "HTML5 local storage" is a matter of general interest I think for runrev and more specifically for on-rev users, who will follow the HTML5 webapps route. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2249336.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Jun 9 14:57:24 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:57:24 +0200 Subject: Klaus . . . :) In-Reply-To: <4C0FD9C3.6080009@gmail.com> References: <2E7EB08F-2F7C-4AF1-87F2-F4F5B130EC16@major.on-rev.com> <4C0FD9C3.6080009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <261CCBCA-900C-436B-B07A-6AC76581B976@major.on-rev.com> Hi Richmond, > Hello Klaus, > So glad to see that you are "back with us"; > I do hope that everything has smoothed itself out. Well, sort of, a work in progress... > I am putting this message on the Use-List as I am sure > my sentiments are supported by everyone. > > Love you, you "rotten old chap"! Thanks buddy :-) > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Jun 9 14:59:56 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:59:56 EDT Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? Message-ID: Cool. How does one get on the map? Craig Newman In a message dated 6/9/10 2:50:54 PM, rman at free.fr writes: > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0& > msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188& > t=h&z=2 > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 15:02:42 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:02:42 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C0FDF62.5020100@gmail.com> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FDF62.5020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Richmond, Regardless the PATA standard is dead for new manufacture and very few are made anymore. I can't find them in the cavernous big box stores in California at all. The sick thing is if you can find 750's on ebay and Amazon they cost more than today's modern SATA (and probaby not as reliable). If one wants to continue using G4s and other older machines, it's cheaper just getting a inexpensive SATA card. On ebay all the prices I saw for 750's was over $185 US. In the big box stores, the 1.5 gig are coming down, quickly and the new price/performance is now going to the 2.0 gig drives, and the 1.5TB drives could go for less than $100 soon, if not now. again, Tiger Direct has one for $24 - not sure of the compat or drivers but this shows that these devices are out there. A lot of this PC-only stuff just runs. Some of it doesn't. Tiger has a live chat that might even work. Pretty impressive computer gear store. They've come a long way from their 'cheesy electronic gadget' days. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3501402&CatId=1455 I wonder why, as well as having 4 external USB2 ports it has 2 internal ones: I'd be hard-put to squeeze anything else inside my G4; although a second fan (err??? possibly connected to an internal USB port) might not be a bad thing. PCs often have bigger boxes and SIX slots. Don't forget there's a little area for a floppy or second CD drive in some G4s. On 9 June 2010 11:37, Richmond wrote: > On 06/09/2010 09:28 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> There are no PATA drives over 500 gig. The technology shifted after that >> point. >> >> > > That is NOT true; I have a 750 PATA (IDE/ATA) drive in my G4; ordered it > through Amazon.uk about 2 years ago. > > It seems hard to obtain PATA drives nowadays; this is sad as I have about > 5 perfectly serviceable Pentium 4s lying around that, with decent size hard > drives > (i.e. not the 20 GB ones they currently have) could be 'thrown' at quite a > few > of my pupils for the cost of a PATA drive (80-160 GB) and Mint XFCE; for > which > they would be very happy. > > > Yeah, old G4s. I have a bunch of them. I know. G4s kinda like Tiger but >> they >> really don't like Leopard. Some of the later ones (as well as my G5 ) have >> these giant processor sections with liquid cooling and outside pipes that >> look like miniatures of the first hydrogen bomb. >> >> TIGER DIRECT has a cheap ($14) USB card that seems to be rated for Mac and >> has good reviews >> >> >> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4143850&csid=_25 >> >> >> > > Thank you very much for the link. > > I wonder why, as well as having 4 external USB2 ports it has 2 internal > ones: > I'd be hard-put to squeeze anything else inside my G4; although a second > fan > (err??? possibly connected to an internal USB port) might not be a bad > thing. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 9 14:38:06 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:38:06 -0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, Send me your snail mail address, I think I have an spare firewaire enclosure you could use. It was made in taiwan eons ago but it works, you just pop an HD inside it and it will work. I don't know if a shipment from Brazil to Bulgaria will ever arrive, you might get some weird stamps in it as if the package traveled to asia, africa, oceania, the international space station, io and more before it reaches you but it is worth a try. Cheers andre PS: I know what it is to live somewhere where hardware simply is not available... it took eons for macbooks to arrive here... On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/09/2010 08:07 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> Richmond, do you have a problem with Firewire? Even FW 400 is way faster >> than USB2 for extended disk operations. (IMHO) USB is for mice and >> keyboards >> and USB sticks. >> >> >> > > NO! I have no problem at all with Firewire; and, just as soon as I have my > G4 up-and-running > I am going to yank out a 750 GB ATA disk I have inside and pop it into a > LaCie Firewire-&-USB > external box I have. > > YES! Bulgaria has a problem with Firewire as (well, at least in Plovdiv) > there are about 10 Macs in the country, > and 4 of them are mine; so nobody sells a Firewire external thing here. > > Once I have hoicked out the 750 GB and got it inside the Firewire box I > shall; glacially slowly, > pop all my USB backup onto that - but, a USB2 card (I saw one online by > Allegro) would > expedite matters considerably. > > The 1.5 TB could then be connected up to a P4 I am currently using with > kids I teach to do a remake > of "Snow White and the incredibly expanding list of pupils" with puppets > made from old socks: > no doubt knocking everything out of competition at Cannes next year . . . > :) And before you ask; the > 'pupils', being made of socks, will be called "mouldy, manky, sweaty, > cheesy, holey" and so on! > > > "USB is for mice and keyboards and USB sticks." > > try telling that to some salesperson in a computer shop here in Bulgaria; > first off, they haven't heard > of Firewire! > > What is not at all clear to me is what is actually inside the Maxell Tank; > documentation is minimal > to say the least, and I am reluctant to open the thing up until its > guarantee expires (2 years); but, > for a 1.5 TB disk it is rather cheap. Should it contain a PATA or a SATA > disk I am wondering about > buying an empty Firewire enclosure in Britain (will be over there for 12 > days at the start of August) > to transfer it to. > > -------------------------------------- > > The whole thing, ultimately, boils down to my own stupidity. I should have > realised that a G4 Mac at > 7 years old just might throw a tantrum; and I should have made proviso for > that; but didn't. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From cszasz at mac.com Wed Jun 9 15:05:16 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: References: <1275879342142-2245427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5390FD95-B212-47DD-8277-9C2DDA303940@mac.com> Dunbarx Thanks for the explanation! I will try it! Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:44 PM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > Charles. > > Custom properties are very simple and very powerful. They work just like > any other property. > > You just make them up. Write: > > set the isLabel of field "yourField" to "true" --isLabel is the new > custom property > > Then ask: > > answer the isLabel of fld "yourField" > > You will get "true". > > You will set the isLabel of all your other fields to "false". You can do > this in a script. > > This property is separate from the ordinary properties of your fields. For > example, you might want a locked field in your application for some reason, > and that would then interfere with your ability to distinguish it from a > label field. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249318.html > To unsubscribe from A problem with clearing fields on marked cards, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-clearing-fields-on-marked-cards-tp2245427p2249346.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 15:09:30 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:09:30 -0700 Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think you need to 'opt out' the other fields. That would negate the ease of just checking for some data in the property in your loop. Simplify! If it exists, then it is. Otherwise it isn't! "false" is implied in objects that aren't "branded". -- inside your loop checking fields: get the nothingText of stack "mystack" if it is empty then next repeat (or whatever) else -- execute something here if there is something in it end if On 9 June 2010 11:44, wrote: > Charles. > > Custom properties are very simple and very powerful. They work just like > any other property. > > You just make them up. Write: > > set the isLabel of field "yourField" to "true" --isLabel is the new > custom property > > Then ask: > > answer the isLabel of fld "yourField" > > You will get "true". > > You will set the isLabel of all your other fields to "false". You can do > this in a script. > > This property is separate from the ordinary properties of your fields. For > example, you might want a locked field in your application for some reason, > and that would then interfere with your ability to distinguish it from a > label field. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Jun 9 15:21:05 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:21:05 EDT Subject: A problem with clearing fields on marked cards Message-ID: Stephen has a point. If you want, the label fields can have the property set to "true", and all other fields can have the property set to empty. Since you already set the locktext of your label fields to "true" (and I assume that means that all your other fields have it set to "false") you can write a script: on mouseUp ?? repeat with y = 1 to the number of marked cds ? ? ? repeat with u = 1 to the number of fields of marked card y ? ? ? ?? if the lockText of field u of marked card y is "true" then set the isLabel of field u of marked card y to "true" else set the isLabel of field u of marked card y to empty ? ? ? end repeat ?? end repeat end mouseUp And from now on, with new fields or changed old ones, you never have to worry about whether the field is a label field or not. The property explicitly tells you. If you clone or copy any existing fields, the property will already be correct. Craig From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 15:24:00 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:24:00 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking document. But I don't think that 's what you meant. I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping experiment! On 9 June 2010 11:38, Andre Garzia wrote: > Richmond, > > Send me your snail mail address, I think I have an spare firewaire > enclosure > you could use. It was made in taiwan eons ago but it works, you just pop an > HD inside it and it will work. > > I don't know if a shipment from Brazil to Bulgaria will ever arrive, you > might get some weird stamps in it as if the package traveled to asia, > africa, oceania, the international space station, io and more before it > reaches you but it is worth a try. > > Cheers > andre > PS: I know what it is to live somewhere where hardware simply is not > available... it took eons for macbooks to arrive here... > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Richmond >wrote: > > > On 06/09/2010 08:07 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > > > >> Richmond, do you have a problem with Firewire? Even FW 400 is way faster > >> than USB2 for extended disk operations. (IMHO) USB is for mice and > >> keyboards > >> and USB sticks. > >> > >> > >> > > > > NO! I have no problem at all with Firewire; and, just as soon as I have > my > > G4 up-and-running > > I am going to yank out a 750 GB ATA disk I have inside and pop it into a > > LaCie Firewire-&-USB > > external box I have. > > > > YES! Bulgaria has a problem with Firewire as (well, at least in Plovdiv) > > there are about 10 Macs in the country, > > and 4 of them are mine; so nobody sells a Firewire external thing here. > > > > Once I have hoicked out the 750 GB and got it inside the Firewire box I > > shall; glacially slowly, > > pop all my USB backup onto that - but, a USB2 card (I saw one online by > > Allegro) would > > expedite matters considerably. > > > > The 1.5 TB could then be connected up to a P4 I am currently using with > > kids I teach to do a remake > > of "Snow White and the incredibly expanding list of pupils" with puppets > > made from old socks: > > no doubt knocking everything out of competition at Cannes next year . . . > > :) And before you ask; the > > 'pupils', being made of socks, will be called "mouldy, manky, sweaty, > > cheesy, holey" and so on! > > > > > > "USB is for mice and keyboards and USB sticks." > > > > try telling that to some salesperson in a computer shop here in Bulgaria; > > first off, they haven't heard > > of Firewire! > > > > What is not at all clear to me is what is actually inside the Maxell > Tank; > > documentation is minimal > > to say the least, and I am reluctant to open the thing up until its > > guarantee expires (2 years); but, > > for a 1.5 TB disk it is rather cheap. Should it contain a PATA or a SATA > > disk I am wondering about > > buying an empty Firewire enclosure in Britain (will be over there for 12 > > days at the start of August) > > to transfer it to. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > The whole thing, ultimately, boils down to my own stupidity. I should > have > > realised that a G4 Mac at > > 7 years old just might throw a tantrum; and I should have made proviso > for > > that; but didn't. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 15:29:14 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:29:14 +0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking document. But I > don't think that 's what you meant. > > I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping > experiment! > > No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my address for what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 9 15:40:02 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:40:02 -0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will send it as a registered package so we can all have terrible fun while tracking it, it will be like "where in the world is carmen sandiego" or something... On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking document. But I >> don't think that 's what you meant. >> >> I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping >> experiment! >> >> >> > No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil > and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my address for > what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. > > Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jim at d-film.com Wed Jun 9 15:43:23 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:23 -0400 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Click on the edit button, zoom in on your location and plant a flag. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, wrote: > Cool. How does one get on the map? > > Craig Newman From slord at karbonized.com Wed Jun 9 15:51:53 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:51:53 -0400 Subject: Oliver's scrollbar sample Message-ID: If Oliver is out there, any chance of getting the version of your scrollbar sample stack with *both* horizontal and vertical scrollbars? From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed Jun 9 16:05:48 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:05:48 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <1276109852035-2249336.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> <1276109852035-2249336.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Robert, It's tricky for ME to discuss Rodeo specifics, even if the topic would be of general interest. Truth is, I cannot think of many things we're doing with Rodeo that would not be of immense interest to lots of folks here. But me discussing these items and YOU discussing them are two different things. I'm a Rev user, but I'm also a visiting vendor of other wares. It would seem you have greater freedom to discuss. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > I get the point about to be here or not to be here, Jerry. > > I'll go sign in and get enrolled in the rodeo trip. > > See you there! > > Nevertheless, discussing the know how and limitations of "HTML5 local > storage" is a matter of general interest I think for runrev and more > specifically for on-rev users, who will follow the HTML5 webapps > route. > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2249336.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Jun 9 16:39:06 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:39:06 -0500 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C0FFBEA.3070307@hyperactivesw.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > I don't know if a shipment from Brazil to Bulgaria will ever arrive, you > might get some weird stamps in it as if the package traveled to asia, > africa, oceania, the international space station, io and more before it > reaches you but it is worth a try. You forgot to put Io in your "Where's my luggage" game. I want an update! :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Jun 9 16:57:05 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:57:05 +0200 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> <1276109852035-2249336.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2F50C08B-6A4C-4562-9ED9-5D59DEC83D1E@mines-paristech.fr> Jerry et al, you may be interested in this: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/09/exclusive-mdialog-ad-developers-toolkit-for-ios4-and-ipad/ its a toolkit for streaming video to the iPhone/iPad, all in HTML5 Best, Fran?ois Le 9 juin 2010 ? 22:05, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Robert, > > It's tricky for ME to discuss Rodeo specifics, even if the topic would be of general interest. Truth is, I cannot think of many things we're doing with Rodeo that would not be of immense interest to lots of folks here. > > But me discussing these items and YOU discussing them are two different things. I'm a Rev user, but I'm also a visiting vendor of other wares. It would seem you have greater freedom to discuss. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Follow the Rodeo discussion: > http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves > > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jun 9 17:50:53 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:50:53 -0700 Subject: [OT] HTML5 and Safari 5 Message-ID: the new Safari browser is now available... and although the HTML5 features are compelling, some of the best features are there for programmers. Available for Window as well as Mac. My favorite is the "snippet editor" which is this split window with two fields. Enter HTML, Java, Javascript DOM - most stuff you put into a web page - and it interprets as you type, character by character. It's kind of like a 'command line' for the webkit engine, except it responds immediately Great for testing... little code snippets or paste in entire web pages. If the references are all full URLs you will see a lot of it and can play around with it. Easier than saving a text file then reading it back into a web page. Of course we could have built it in rev and revBrowser. -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From jhj at jhj.com Wed Jun 9 17:57:17 2010 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:57:17 -0700 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <975506ED-6D85-4287-BE45-763A157EDF1F@jhj.com> I never found the edit button. When Mark moved us into this map, it put me under a tree in a field a few miles from my house. Someday I'll go find that tree and carve my initials in it! Jerry Jensen On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: > Click on the edit button, zoom in on your location and plant a flag. > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, wrote: >> Cool. How does one get on the map? >> >> Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed Jun 9 18:05:45 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:05:45 -0500 Subject: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer In-Reply-To: <2F50C08B-6A4C-4562-9ED9-5D59DEC83D1E@mines-paristech.fr> References: <50739FCA-799D-4800-AB60-AB73BAC4CEE9@me.com> <1276013980112-2247681.post@n4.nabble.com> <1CAEC698-D0A5-4E03-A5A1-B62D142786A4@me.com> <1276027748431-2247953.post@n4.nabble.com> <3B76BD49-5010-464D-B519-10C8E7C2844E@me.com> <1276109852035-2249336.post@n4.nabble.com> <2F50C08B-6A4C-4562-9ED9-5D59DEC83D1E@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <052FA73B-FDE6-4231-A83C-4440A7B2250C@me.com> Thanks, Fran?ois! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > Jerry et al, you may be interested in this: > http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/09/exclusive-mdialog-ad-developers-toolkit-for-ios4-and-ipad/ > its a toolkit for streaming video to the iPhone/iPad, all in HTML5 > Best, > Fran?ois From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed Jun 9 18:40:24 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:40:24 -0500 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <38AEDB59-54B5-4B24-AB06-37644BB7E651@me.com> Robert, 100 users? 20 interested in the doc? We posted that we didn't have enough folks in interested in documentation for tRev...only 18 and we needed forty to proceed. We have about 700 licensed tRev owners. We post our numbers all the time. Don't know what 100 users to which you might be referring. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > tRev mentionned 100 users, less than 20 interested in the doc. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 9 19:08:04 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:08:04 -0300 Subject: [OT] HTML5 and Safari 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Firefox + Firebug still a winner combination too! :D On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > the new Safari browser is now available... and although the HTML5 features > are compelling, some of the best features are there for programmers. > Available for Window as well as Mac. > > My favorite is the "snippet editor" which is this split window with two > fields. Enter HTML, Java, Javascript DOM - most stuff you put into a web > page - and it interprets as you type, character by character. > > It's kind of like a 'command line' for the webkit engine, except it > responds > immediately > > Great for testing... little code snippets > > or paste in entire web pages. If the references are all full URLs you will > see a lot of it and can play around with it. Easier than saving a text file > then reading it back into a web page. > > Of course we could have built it in rev and revBrowser. > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 9 19:21:55 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:21:55 -0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <38AEDB59-54B5-4B24-AB06-37644BB7E651@me.com> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> <38AEDB59-54B5-4B24-AB06-37644BB7E651@me.com> Message-ID: I am one of them and I am worth a hundred users when it comes to support calls \O/ (jokes, tRev doesn't need that it's that I just like to keep contact with Jerry) On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Robert, > > 100 users? 20 interested in the doc? > > We posted that we didn't have enough folks in interested in documentation > for tRev...only 18 and we needed forty to proceed. We have about 700 > licensed tRev owners. We post our numbers all the time. > > Don't know what 100 users to which you might be referring. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Follow the Rodeo discussion: > http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > tRev mentionned 100 users, less than 20 interested in the doc. >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 19:57:02 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:57:02 -0700 Subject: [OT] HTML5 and Safari 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <304EABEF-4FBC-4268-97EE-DEAC31C00DE5@yahoo.com> and don't forget the power of FirePHP written by the same group. So many live debugging tools and access to information. start using FireBug + FirePHP... Now add Live HTTP Headers for Firefox and you can watch/capture headers in both directions as you use your browser to access pages or do the AJAX loops, etc. Copy-paste into Rev and now you can set the correct custom headers in minutes. On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Firefox + Firebug still a winner combination too! :D > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM, stephen barncard < > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > >> the new Safari browser is now available... and although the HTML5 >> features >> are compelling, some of the best features are there for programmers. >> Available for Window as well as Mac. >> >> My favorite is the "snippet editor" which is this split window with >> two >> fields. Enter HTML, Java, Javascript DOM - most stuff you put >> into a web >> page - and it interprets as you type, character by character. >> >> It's kind of like a 'command line' for the webkit engine, except it >> responds >> immediately >> >> Great for testing... little code snippets >> >> or paste in entire web pages. If the references are all full URLs >> you will >> see a lot of it and can play around with it. Easier than saving a >> text file >> then reading it back into a web page. >> >> Of course we could have built it in rev and revBrowser. >> Jim Ault Las Vegas From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jun 9 20:01:54 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:01:54 -0300 Subject: [OT] HTML5 and Safari 5 In-Reply-To: <304EABEF-4FBC-4268-97EE-DEAC31C00DE5@yahoo.com> References: <304EABEF-4FBC-4268-97EE-DEAC31C00DE5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I do use FirePHP as well... check out FireLogger which is similar to firephp but not tied to php, you can communicate with both with RevServer. Latest version of my own revSpark framework has the ability to talk to Firebug, now I am adding support to FirePHP and FireLogger. Cheers andre On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > and don't forget the power of FirePHP written by the same group. > > So many live debugging tools and access to information. > start using FireBug + FirePHP... > Now add Live HTTP Headers for Firefox and you can watch/capture headers in > both directions as you use your browser to access pages or do the AJAX > loops, etc. Copy-paste into Rev and now you can set the correct custom > headers in minutes. > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > Firefox + Firebug still a winner combination too! :D >> >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM, stephen barncard < >> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: >> >> the new Safari browser is now available... and although the HTML5 >>> features >>> are compelling, some of the best features are there for programmers. >>> Available for Window as well as Mac. >>> >>> My favorite is the "snippet editor" which is this split window with two >>> fields. Enter HTML, Java, Javascript DOM - most stuff you put into a >>> web >>> page - and it interprets as you type, character by character. >>> >>> It's kind of like a 'command line' for the webkit engine, except it >>> responds >>> immediately >>> >>> Great for testing... little code snippets >>> >>> or paste in entire web pages. If the references are all full URLs you >>> will >>> see a lot of it and can play around with it. Easier than saving a text >>> file >>> then reading it back into a web page. >>> >>> Of course we could have built it in rev and revBrowser. >>> >>> > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Wed Jun 9 21:14:47 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:14:47 -0700 Subject: Stacks with transparent background Message-ID: <59f39f2776f442d9622cba30c78d764b@65.49.9.11> > Interesting - thanks! Any reason you know of for not choosing composite > windows on OSX - I take it you can't port your external to OSX without that > :) No idea.. Might be a historical reason from when Mac OS X was just starting or from when Dr Raney was working on the engine or it might be a technical reason to deal with the cross-platform UI or it might simply be they do not know about it (only Rev can answer why).. It is just a simple flag that needs to be set on the window, but it can only be set when the window is being created so an external cannot just turn it on.. I know REALbasic has it as a window property that can be toggled on and off (window is destroyed and recreated to turn it off and on).. In regards to the window properties on Mac OS X I would like to see the features toggle without destroying/creating the window every time (it changes the windowID property and most features can be toggled live [shadows for example]) Actually the external is a port from the current Mac external to Windows but without a Windows machine to code on my development stopped (now I have an Intel MacBook Pro so I can get back in to it in the future) -Sean From slord at karbonized.com Wed Jun 9 21:42:08 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:42:08 -0400 Subject: Status on GUI skinning... Message-ID: So I downloaded Oliver's stack sample for a custom VERTICAL scrollbar which does exactly what I wanted. Problem is he took out the horizontal scrollbar and I can't figure out how to get it to work (again, the math). So before I start crying profusely I just thought I'd ask if RunRev allows for easily skinning scrollbars. If not then the begging shall begging... From alex at a2technology.com Wed Jun 9 22:06:07 2010 From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:06:07 -0700 Subject: Datagrid mouseUps Message-ID: I have a number of datagrids that behave in a way that is not intended and I?m curious if there is a simple way to solve the problem. I have a mouseUp event the script of the datagrid. It works well except that it is triggered even when there is click in a scroll bar. I?m imagining that changing the row style from a table to a form that I can move the event to the behaviors? I?ll be making that change in the next version or so, but I?d like to fix this the way it is first. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, -- Alex Adams hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 alex at a2technology.com hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com universalConnector.wordpress.com From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Jun 9 22:16:56 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:16:56 +1000 Subject: Status on GUI skinning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/06/10 11:42 AM, "Simon Lord" wrote: > So I downloaded Oliver's stack sample for a custom VERTICAL scrollbar > which does exactly what I wanted. Problem is he took out the > horizontal scrollbar and I can't figure out how to get it to work > (again, the math). > > So before I start crying profusely I just thought I'd ask if RunRev > allows for easily skinning scrollbars. > > If not then the begging shall begging... Hi Simon - here's some code for a simple 'iPhone style' vertical scrollbar that can be scrolled with your mouse's scroll wheel. Yes it's only for a vertical scrollbar but it should be easily adapted for a horizontal scrollbar and has the advantage that their is only one moving part (well, two if you add a horizontal bar as well). All you should have to do to modify it for a horizontal scrollbar is to substitute formattedWidth for formatted height, width for height, left for top bottom for right, hScroll for scroll etc. Hope there's something useful to you in there. Terry... As always, watch out for wrapped lines. # script of the group that is being scrolled on resizeControl put the rect of me into tRect put the height of me into tH put the formattedHeight of me into tFH put tFH-4 into tMax set the height of grc "scroller" to min(tFH-4,round(tH*(tH/tFH))-4) set the top of grc "scroller" to (item 2 of tRect)+2 set the height of me to tH set the top of me to (item 2 of tRect) set the visible of grc "scroller" to (the height of grc "scroller" < tMax) end resizeControl on rawkeydown theCode switch theCode case 65308 set the scroll of me to (the scroll of me)+10 break case 65309 set the scroll of me to (the scroll of me)-10 break end switch switch theCode case 65308 case 65309 put (the scroll of me)/(the formattedHeight of me - the height of me) into tRatio set the top of grc "scroller" to round(tRatio*(the height of me - the height of grc "scroller"))+the top of me set the blendlevel of grc "scroller" to 0 if not(the pendingMessages contains "hideScroller") then repeat for each line tMessage in the pendingMessages if tMessage contains "hideScroller" then cancel item 1 of tMessage end if end repeat end if send "hideScroller" to me in 1 sec break end switch end rawkeydown on hideScroller set the blendLevel of grc "scroller" to 100 end hideScroller # script of the vertical 'scrollbar' (grc "scroller") on mouseEnter put false into pDown set the blendlevel of me to 0 end mouseEnter on mouseLeave set the blendLevel of me to 100 end mouseLeave local pDown, pYoffset, pMin, pMax, pH, pGrpT, pGrpB, pGrpH, pFGrpH, pMaxScroll on mouseDown put the top of (the owner of me) into pGrpT put the bottom of (the owner of me) into pGrpB put the height of (the owner of me) into pGrpH put the formattedHeight of (the owner of me) into pFGrpH put the mouseV - the top of me into pYOffset put the height of me into pH put pGrpH-pH into pMax put pFGrpH-pGrpH into pMaxScroll put true into pDown end mouseDown on mouseUp put false into pDown end mouseUp on mouseRelease put false into pDown end mouseRelease on mouseMove x,y --put false into pDown if pDown then put y-pYOffset into tY set the top of me to min(pGrpB-pH,max(pGrpT,tY)) put (the top of me - pGrpT)/pMax into tRatio set the scroll of (the owner of me) to round(tRatio*pMaxScroll) end if end mouseMove > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Jun 9 22:24:48 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:24:48 +1000 Subject: Datagrid mouseUps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/06/10 12:06 PM, "Alex Adams" wrote: > I have a number of datagrids that behave in a way that is not intended and > I?m curious if there is a simple way to solve the problem. > > I have a mouseUp event the script of the datagrid. It works well except > that it is triggered even when there is click in a scroll bar. > > I?m imagining that changing the row style from a table to a form that I can > move the event to the behaviors? I?ll be making that change in the next > version or so, but I?d like to fix this the way it is first. Hi Alex - how about just filtering out the elements you don't want? on mouseUp put the short name of the target into tTarget switch tTarget case " dgAlternatingRows" case [other things I don't want triggering my code] exit mouseUp break default -- do mouseUp stuff end switch end mouseUp Terry... > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance, From henk at ludisstudio.com Thu Jun 10 03:07:31 2010 From: henk at ludisstudio.com (Henk van der Velden) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:07:31 +0200 Subject: Resizable grid of thumbnails In-Reply-To: <20100609040557.BB465288380@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100609040557.BB465288380@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9492D138-985C-4718-A654-853281DA9CFF@ludisstudio.com> Hi Simon, I don't think there is an option like that in Rev, unless of course you put your pictures in a textfield ('imagesource' in Rev Dictionary). But showing your thumbnails in a grid doesn't need to be that difficult. When every picture is contained in a square, all you need to do is divide the width of the stack by the width of the square, and then truncate the resulting value. That way you get the number of pictures on a row, and then, using a double loop, every picture is positioned. HTH, Henk On 09 Jun 2010, at 06:05, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > One of my many faults is a lack of intense math skills. So when I hit > the math *wall* I ask for help or samples... > > In this case, I'm looking for a sample stack that can show 20+ > thumbnails and be resizable. As the stack is scaled up (wider) the > top row of thumbnails increases thus reducing the overall number of > rows which displays the thumbnails. > > Ironically, in HTML I only have to assign the style "float: left;" to > each thumbnail to achieve this. > > Is there something similar or does it require gobs of math to > calculate the loc of all thumbnails? If so, anyone have a good > sample? From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu Jun 10 03:57:26 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:57:26 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is the procedure to follow if we want to help (donate) ? Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 5 juin 2010 ? 19:01, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit : > Development would only start after the donation account reaches a reasonable > level of confirmed donations (it will get spelled out in the next few > weeks). Basically anyone who donates over level X will get a copy of the > plugin(s). From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 05:19:21 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:19:21 +0200 Subject: Datagrid mouseUps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/6/10 Alex Adams > I have a number of datagrids that behave in a way that is not intended and > I?m curious if there is a simple way to solve the problem. > > I have a mouseUp event the script of the datagrid. It works well except > that it is triggered even when there is click in a scroll bar. > > I?m imagining that changing the row style from a table to a form that I can > move the event to the behaviors? I?ll be making that change in the next > version or so, but I?d like to fix this the way it is first. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance, > > Hi Alex, It remembers me an old thread. Have a look here: http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/13809881.html I think it could help you to understand what happens with the scroll bars and how to avoid this. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From slord at karbonized.com Thu Jun 10 08:04:01 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:04:01 -0400 Subject: Scale9 Message-ID: 10yrs ago I left the community for Flash, then a few years ago I dropped Flash for CCS3/DHTML. Now I'm playing with RunRev (was MetaCard) again and having fun. Lots of things have been improved, the font support and html rendering are very impressive. What's lacking however, is the ability to *easily* create GUI skins. This was a huge problem in Flash as well until a technique known as Scale9 was developed. An entire site is dedicated to this when a UI designer realized its potential: http://www.scalenine.com/ All you do is drop the GUI component of your choice into your Flash app and *poof*, instant skin. It's actually quite easy to do as well using the tools in Flash but sites like this make the task of creating the entire skin even easier. I'd love to see RunRev get its own Scale9, or $$$ plugin. PS: There was another project called "Liquid Components" for Flash which is now open source. It operated differently and was just as effective. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 08:08:32 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:08:32 +0300 Subject: Scale9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C10D5C0.30003@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 03:04 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > Lots of things have been improved, > the font support ...... very impressive. > Not on Linux, it ain't! From justin.sloan at us.army.mil Thu Jun 10 08:38:24 2010 From: justin.sloan at us.army.mil (Justin Sloan) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:38:24 +0300 Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 Message-ID: TheMacSale.com bundle is ending on 15 June. The good news is you still have time to get revStudio for only $50, and for any OS. When you purchase the bundle they send you an activation code. You then take that activation code to the RunRev website and choose which OS you are planning to run it on. RunRev will then email you the serial number for the product you selected and you are good to go. Regardless of which OS you write your stacks on you can create standalones that run on Win, Mac or Linux. Awesome. From davidocoker at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 08:58:27 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:58:27 -0500 Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > TheMacSale.com bundle is ending on 15 June. The good news is you still > have time to get revStudio for only $50, and for any OS. When you > purchase the bundle they send you an activation code. You then take > that activation code to the RunRev website and choose which OS you are > planning to run it on. ?RunRev will then email you the serial number > for the product you selected and you are good to go. Regardless of > which OS you write your stacks on you can create standalones that run > on Win, Mac or Linux. ?Awesome. Justin, is that something you've actually done first hand with the Linux version? ...I contacted them inquiring whether it covered the Linux and was told the offer was good for Mac'c only. Best regards, David C. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jun 10 09:13:52 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:13:52 -0700 Subject: Scale9 Message-ID: <4C10E510.10903@fourthworld.com> Simon Lord wrote: > 10yrs ago I left the community for Flash, then a few years ago I > dropped Flash for CCS3/DHTML. Now I'm playing with RunRev (was > MetaCard) again and having fun. Lots of things have been improved, > the font support and html rendering are very impressive. > > What's lacking however, is the ability to *easily* create GUI skins. > This was a huge problem in Flash as well until a technique known as > Scale9 was developed. > > An entire site is dedicated to this when a UI designer realized its potential: > > http://www.scalenine.com/ > > All you do is drop the GUI component of your choice into your Flash > app and *poof*, instant skin. It's actually quite easy to do as well > using the tools in Flash but sites like this make the task of creating > the entire skin even easier. > > I'd love to see RunRev get its own Scale9, or $$$ plugin. Glad to see you back here, Simon. I remember you well from the SuperCard days, all the excellent tools you made. Great stuff. With Rev's property inheritance for visual attributes (color, pattern, font, etc.), it's not hard to make a skinning system. I started work on a library and accompanying UI called SkinnerBox for that, with "themes" that encapsulate skin elements into separate hot-swappable files, a la Firefox. But alas my customers don't need customizable skins often enough to make finishing it a priority. Chipp Walters put together a nifty tool for this called Interface Designer - I think you may find it quite interesting: If Chipp's tool doesn't do everything you need you may find it worth the time to roll your own. And you could sell it through RevSelect to recoup some of the cost. You certainly have the tools experience to make a good one, and I'll bet others would find it useful. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Jun 10 09:21:58 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:21:58 +0100 Subject: Scale9 In-Reply-To: <4C10E510.10903@fourthworld.com> References: <4C10E510.10903@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: That's certainly something I'd consider purchasing if it was available. Ian On 10 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: > If Chipp's tool doesn't do everything you need you may find it worth the time to roll your own. And you could sell it through RevSelect to recoup some of the cost. You certainly have the tools experience to make a good one, and I'll bet others would find it useful. From justin.sloan at us.army.mil Thu Jun 10 09:34:40 2010 From: justin.sloan at us.army.mil (Justin Sloan) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:34:40 +0300 Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I purchased the Mac version. I noticed the option when I went to activate my code and RunRev and get my serial for Studio. After you enter your activation code provided by TheMacSale you are presented with a form to fill in your name and address. At the botton of the form you select your OS. It sounds to me like you can select whatever version you want. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:58 PM, David C. wrote: >> TheMacSale.com bundle is ending on 15 June. The good news is you still >> have time to get revStudio for only $50, and for any OS. When you >> purchase the bundle they send you an activation code. You then take >> that activation code to the RunRev website and choose which OS you are >> planning to run it on. ?RunRev will then email you the serial number >> for the product you selected and you are good to go. Regardless of >> which OS you write your stacks on you can create standalones that run >> on Win, Mac or Linux. ?Awesome. > > > Justin, is that something you've actually done first hand with the > Linux version? > ...I contacted them inquiring whether it covered the Linux and was > told the offer was good for Mac'c only. > > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Jun 10 09:41:35 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:41:35 +0200 Subject: Scale9 In-Reply-To: References: <4C10E510.10903@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Me too. Matthias Am 10.06.2010 um 15:21 schrieb Ian Wood: > That's certainly something I'd consider purchasing if it was available. > > Ian > > On 10 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> If Chipp's tool doesn't do everything you need you may find it worth the time to roll your own. And you could sell it through RevSelect to recoup some of the cost. You certainly have the tools experience to make a good one, and I'll bet others would find it useful. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Jun 10 10:31:16 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:31:16 +0100 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, If you haven't sent it yet, I might be tempted to challenge your delivery... :) Let's see who gets there first! Let me think, what would Mr. Mathewson require... BTW: Why not transfer the files over ethernet? I had once reinstalled the OS (not clean) and had access to the files, I then transferred the entire lot over cat5 to another machine, much quicker. If the G4 has space for two drives: Do a clean install on a new drive (doesn't have to be large capacity) and mount the second drive, then transfer over ethernet. Cheers, Luis. On 09/06/2010 20:40, Andre Garzia wrote: > I will send it as a registered package so we can all have terrible fun while > tracking it, it will be like "where in the world is carmen sandiego" or > something... > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Richmondwrote: > >> On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >> >>> It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking document. But I >>> don't think that 's what you meant. >>> >>> I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping >>> experiment! >>> >>> >>> >> No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil >> and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my address for >> what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. >> >> Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Jun 10 10:31:06 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:31:06 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21B93A75AC13459284109A800C3AF211@GATEWAY> > What is the procedure to follow if we want to help (donate) ? > Bon souvenir de Paris > Ren? > > Le 5 juin 2010 ? 19:01, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit : > > > Development would only start after the donation account reaches a > > reasonable level of confirmed donations (it will get spelled out in > > the next few weeks). Basically anyone who donates over level X will > > get a copy of the plugin(s). Hi Ren?, It will get posted here in the next two weeks. Thanks for your interest! :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From davidocoker at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 10:37:23 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:37:23 -0500 Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>revStudio for Linux Also $50 ... ... > After you enter your activation code provided by TheMacSale you are presented > with a form to fill in your name and address. At the botton of the > form you select your OS. It sounds to me like you can select whatever > version you want. This is not an opportunity that I personally want to miss out on if it's suitable with RunRev, so I've just emailed support for clarification. We'll know the results soon for sure... ;-) Best regards, David C. From h at FlexibleLearning.com Thu Jun 10 10:56:22 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:56:22 +0100 Subject: Welcome back Simon! (was: Scale9) In-Reply-To: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: As subject! Been a looong time. Good to see you again. /H From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Jun 10 12:14:46 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:14:46 +0200 Subject: Getting errors in the rev program: please help! Message-ID: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> Bonjour, I am transforming an app. using behaviors; (the behaviors are in a special card of the main stack to be inherited by independant stacks which can be created by cloning a modelStack (which is a substack of the main). One week ago I was still using rev 4.0 but, as I had problems (behaviors non inherited when reopening stacks) I was obliged to download rev 4.5 dp 3 were this bug is fixed. So I am using this version for several days now. BUT, since yerterday, I get big troubles: When I open/close the main stack only, all is working normally. But as soon as a substack is opened, when I close the main stack (red round button at the top left) rev freezes for at least 20 seconds, then the stack closed but rev still continues to be inert for long seconds before resuming a normal state, And then (in tRev) I get errors concerning the stack "Home" such as : Handler: can't find handler Object: btn "revBackScript" of card id 1002 of stack "revLibrary" location: line 2139 Char 1 and a lot of others (as "does not have this property", "error in statement" etc) all concerning handlers of Rev. I am completely paralyze; can"t work any more :-((( I may have done something which triggers these errors, I don't know and have no idea what that could be. Help please; any idea would be very much appreciated Best regards from Grenoble Andr? P.S. I downloaded rev 4.5 dp 3 again but I get the seme troubles. From bobs at twft.com Thu Jun 10 12:22:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:22:37 -0700 Subject: [OT] HTML5 and Safari 5 In-Reply-To: References: <304EABEF-4FBC-4268-97EE-DEAC31C00DE5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <843CC595-318C-4379-A3DB-53D6E11C7E89@twft.com> You are a programming monster! Can I come sit at your feet and learn? Bob On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Jim, > > I do use FirePHP as well... check out FireLogger which is similar to firephp > but not tied to php, you can communicate with both with RevServer. > > Latest version of my own revSpark framework has the ability to talk to > Firebug, now I am adding support to FirePHP and FireLogger. > > Cheers > andre From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jun 10 12:27:41 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:27:41 +0200 Subject: Getting errors in the rev program: please help! In-Reply-To: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> References: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> Message-ID: Hi Andr?, Do you have the script editor open while this happens? If so, make sure that the script editor is closed while you close stack windows (just a guess, of course). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 10 jun 2010, at 18:14, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Bonjour, > > I am transforming an app. using behaviors; (the behaviors are in a > special card of the main stack to be inherited by independant stacks > which can be created by cloning a modelStack (which is a substack of > the main). > > One week ago I was still using rev 4.0 but, as I had problems > (behaviors non inherited when reopening stacks) I was obliged to > download rev 4.5 dp 3 were this bug is fixed. > > So I am using this version for several days now. > > BUT, since yerterday, I get big troubles: > > When I open/close the main stack only, all is working normally. > > But as soon as a substack is opened, when I close the main stack > (red round button at the top left) rev freezes for at least 20 > seconds, then the stack closed but rev still continues to be inert > for long seconds before resuming a normal state, > > And then (in tRev) I get errors concerning the stack "Home" such as : > > Handler: can't find handler > Object: btn "revBackScript" of card id 1002 of stack "revLibrary" > location: line 2139 Char 1 > > and a lot of others (as "does not have this property", "error in > statement" etc) all concerning handlers of Rev. > > I am completely paralyze; can"t work any more :-((( > > I may have done something which triggers these errors, I don't know > and have no idea what that could be. > > Help please; any idea would be very much appreciated > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? > > P.S. I downloaded rev 4.5 dp 3 again but I get the seme troubles. From film2 at handheldfilm.com Thu Jun 10 12:43:42 2010 From: film2 at handheldfilm.com (Emmett Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:43:42 -0400 Subject: Help with bg graphic In-Reply-To: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: This is driving me nuts. I've got a HC stack (the last one I'm still using - all others already imported into Rev) which I'm trying to convert. I'm resizing it and and I've edited the bg graphic in Photoshop. I've saved it as a .png file, and can replace the original with it by changing the reference to it in the object inspector to an external file. But I'd like to have it in the stack and not external. Every attempt to do this results in something getting screwed up - either the graphic becomes a solid gray field (which exists as another background in the stack) or else something else gets screwed up when I try to bring it in as "new control" - like it ends up only on the current card. If I import it into the image library, it sticks itself on top of the current card. If I delete that image, it then disappears from the library too. If I select the bogus gray background and try to edit that externally by selecting the pencil tool in the inspector, nothing happens at all (but that works OK for card images). What am I doing wrong? From jiml at netrin.com Thu Jun 10 12:47:33 2010 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:47:33 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 81, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: RichardG wrote: > I started work on a library and accompanying UI called SkinnerBox Electrifying! In fact, quite shocking! ;) Jim Lambert From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Jun 10 12:49:49 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:49:49 +0200 Subject: Getting errors in the rev program: please help! In-Reply-To: References: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> Message-ID: Bonjour Mark, Yes the script editor is closed. I am working with tRev (keeping it open all the time without any problem up to now. However, I just tried to close tRev before closing my stack but I got the same problem. Thank you very much for your prompt answer. Best regards Andr? Le 10 juin 10 ? 18:27, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Hi Andr?, > > Do you have the script editor open while this happens? If so, make > sure that the script editor is closed while you close stack windows > (just a guess, of course). > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 10 jun 2010, at 18:14, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > >> Bonjour, >> >> I am transforming an app. using behaviors; (the behaviors are in a >> special card of the main stack to be inherited by independant >> stacks which can be created by cloning a modelStack (which is a >> substack of the main). >> >> One week ago I was still using rev 4.0 but, as I had problems >> (behaviors non inherited when reopening stacks) I was obliged to >> download rev 4.5 dp 3 were this bug is fixed. >> >> So I am using this version for several days now. >> >> BUT, since yerterday, I get big troubles: >> >> When I open/close the main stack only, all is working normally. >> >> But as soon as a substack is opened, when I close the main stack >> (red round button at the top left) rev freezes for at least 20 >> seconds, then the stack closed but rev still continues to be inert >> for long seconds before resuming a normal state, >> >> And then (in tRev) I get errors concerning the stack "Home" such >> as : >> >> Handler: can't find handler >> Object: btn "revBackScript" of card id 1002 of stack "revLibrary" >> location: line 2139 Char 1 >> >> and a lot of others (as "does not have this property", "error in >> statement" etc) all concerning handlers of Rev. >> >> I am completely paralyze; can"t work any more :-((( >> >> I may have done something which triggers these errors, I don't know >> and have no idea what that could be. >> >> Help please; any idea would be very much appreciated >> >> Best regards from Grenoble >> >> Andr? >> >> P.S. I downloaded rev 4.5 dp 3 again but I get the seme troubles. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jun 10 13:09:55 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:09:55 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 81, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <191110447390.20100610100955@ahsoftware.net> Jim- Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:47:33 AM, you wrote: > RichardG wrote: >> I started work on a library and accompanying UI called SkinnerBox > Electrifying! In fact, quite shocking! ;) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jun 10 13:10:43 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:10:43 +0200 Subject: Getting errors in the rev program: please help! In-Reply-To: References: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> Message-ID: Hi Andre, The line reported in the error is correct. In fact, it doesn't do anything at all and it looks like all calls to that command should have been removed from the IDE, but the IDE team didn't take the time for it. Can you put true into gRevDevelopment and try again? Do you get a different error now? I would test without tRev, until you know what causes the problem. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 10 jun 2010, at 18:49, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Bonjour Mark, > > Yes the script editor is closed. I am working with tRev (keeping it > open all the time without any problem up to now. However, I just > tried to close tRev before closing my stack but I got the same > problem. > > Thank you very much for your prompt answer. > > Best regards > > Andr? From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jun 10 13:18:41 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:18:41 -0700 Subject: Help with bg graphic In-Reply-To: References: <20100610143718.C785F2883E3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <53110973093.20100610101841@ahsoftware.net> Emmett- Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:43:42 AM, you wrote: > up when I try to bring it in as "new control" - like it ends up only > on the current card. Easiest way to do this is from the menubar: Select the background group Click Edit group (starts the edit process) Import as control (imports the image into the background) Click Edit group (ends the edit process) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jun 10 13:23:58 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:23:58 -0700 Subject: OT: Periodic Table of Typefaces Message-ID: <30111290093.20100610102358@ahsoftware.net> Have fun- http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/kindle2/Periodic_Table_of_Typefaces_large.jpg -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Jun 10 13:26:55 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:55 +0000 Subject: Scale9 Message-ID: <2093424780-1276190686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-572539298-@bda2526.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Actually, the scaling behavior isn't that difficult. The hard part is enabling controls with all the same behaviors and properties as built-in controls. I started down this road a long time ago but it's been slow going due to having to recreate the behaviors/properies from scratch. THAT is a lot of work. ------Original Message------ From: Simon Lord Sender: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com To: Revolution Mail List ReplyTo: Revolution Mail List Subject: Scale9 Sent: Jun 10, 2010 5:04 AM 10yrs ago I left the community for Flash, then a few years ago I dropped Flash for CCS3/DHTML. Now I'm playing with RunRev (was MetaCard) again and having fun. Lots of things have been improved, the font support and html rendering are very impressive. What's lacking however, is the ability to *easily* create GUI skins. This was a huge problem in Flash as well until a technique known as Scale9 was developed. An entire site is dedicated to this when a UI designer realized its potential: http://www.scalenine.com/ All you do is drop the GUI component of your choice into your Flash app and *poof*, instant skin. It's actually quite easy to do as well using the tools in Flash but sites like this make the task of creating the entire skin even easier. I'd love to see RunRev get its own Scale9, or $$$ plugin. PS: There was another project called "Liquid Components" for Flash which is now open source. It operated differently and was just as effective. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Jun 10 14:24:07 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:24:07 +0200 Subject: Getting errors in the rev program: please help! In-Reply-To: References: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> Message-ID: Hi Mark, In the script of my main stack, in the openStack handler I put "true" into gRevDevelopment. I opened my stack, opened a substack (a drawer) Then trying to close the main stack I get the same phenomena; I noticed that in the folder of my disk, where the main stack is the small icon followed by the name of my stack appears (with a tilde after .rev) then disappeared, appearead again, etc thus several times (for at least 15 seconds). Eventually, after long seconds, the stack gets closed. Several seconds after I got the following error (in an error window): executing internal 8:01:45 PM Type Function: error in function handler Object revApplicationOverview Line put the long id of card id tID of stack revTargetStack(pTarget) into tCard Hint revTargetStack It is the first time I run in such a problem and I am really unable to understand what is happening! I am really stuck with that Thanks a lot for your attention to my problem. I feel myself less alone ;-)) Best regards Andr? Le 10 juin 10 ? 19:10, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Hi Andre, > > The line reported in the error is correct. In fact, it doesn't do > anything at all and it looks like all calls to that command should > have been removed from the IDE, but the IDE team didn't take the > time for it. > > Can you put true into gRevDevelopment and try again? Do you get a > different error now? > > I would test without tRev, until you know what causes the problem. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 10 jun 2010, at 18:49, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > >> Bonjour Mark, >> >> Yes the script editor is closed. I am working with tRev (keeping it >> open all the time without any problem up to now. However, I just >> tried to close tRev before closing my stack but I got the same >> problem. >> >> Thank you very much for your prompt answer. >> >> Best regards >> >> Andr? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From benr_mc at cogapp.com Thu Jun 10 14:28:16 2010 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:28:16 +0100 Subject: HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said In-Reply-To: References: <20090713222617.AC71648A8E6@mail.runrev.com> <4C05D5AA.8060203@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <4C112EC0.5010504@cogapp.com> On 2/6/10 05:03, Colin Holgate wrote: > Unfortunately, Steve was making the point that Flash being big doesn't prove that it will live forever, after all, look at HyperCard. The blog I followed reported that the crowd laughed at his HyperCard comment. > > He also seems to be making the mistake that a lot of people have, thinking that Flash is only used for video, and that if Flash dropped to 50% of use for playing video, that means that all Flash usage has dropped to 50%. It's here if you want to check - about 8-9 minutes in: http://video.allthingsd.com/video/d8-steve-jobs-on-the-iphone-origin/3BBFA695-DC39-4834-9E39-7097C9CE1243 Colin's right about the general reception of his comment - but I think that's scepticism about his SJ's claim that HyperCard was bigger than Flash - and that SJ was only making the reference in order to reiterate that HC is dead. FWIW However, I think Colin's second point is off. Jobs is explicitly reacting to the point that Flash isn't just video: that's why he's comparing Flash to HyperCard, as a development environment - and saying he was prepared to kill that development environment, and he's prepared to live without Flash as a dev env as well. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jun 10 14:37:07 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:37:07 +0200 Subject: Getting errors in the rev program: please help! In-Reply-To: References: <2BA284DB-CB2B-4BEB-88D7-A70A9CE2EA05@inria.fr> Message-ID: <92366026-9177-4FEF-A0D1-6BE4960C8494@economy-x-talk.com> Andre, Just one more question. Does this happen to all your stacks that have substacks or only with one particular stack (which happens to have a substack)? If it happens with just one stack, could you send it to me? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 10 jun 2010, at 20:24, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Hi Mark, > > In the script of my main stack, in the openStack handler I put > "true" into gRevDevelopment. > I opened my stack, opened a substack (a drawer) > > Then trying to close the main stack I get the same phenomena; > I noticed that in the folder of my disk, where the main stack is the > small icon followed by the name of my stack appears (with a tilde > after .rev) then disappeared, appearead again, etc thus several > times (for at least 15 seconds). > > Eventually, after long seconds, the stack gets closed. > > Several seconds after I got the following error (in an error window): > > executing internal 8:01:45 PM > Type Function: error in function handler > Object revApplicationOverview > Line put the long id of card id tID of stack revTargetStack(pTarget) > into tCard > Hint revTargetStack > > It is the first time I run in such a problem and I am really unable > to understand what is happening! > I am really stuck with that > > Thanks a lot for your attention to my problem. I feel myself less > alone ;-)) > > Best regards > > Andr? > From jmyepes at mac.com Thu Jun 10 15:23:04 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Scale9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1276197784526-2250906.post@n4.nabble.com> Very interesting.. I think that we can organize to build some, graphics and behaviors by groups. I'm available to help :) Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Scale9-tp2250302p2250906.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Jun 10 15:30:05 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:30:05 EDT Subject: How to attach a file in the forums Message-ID: <1175a.5b2928d7.3942973d@aol.com> This is on the "Studio and Enterprise" forum. I made a small stack to illustrate a point. I tried to attach it to my post. Just cannot do it. Errors have to do with extension issues and no-extension issues. Anyone know the protocol? Should I contact Heather? Thanks, Craig Newman From bobs at twft.com Thu Jun 10 15:40:10 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:40:10 -0700 Subject: OT: Periodic Table of Typefaces In-Reply-To: <30111290093.20100610102358@ahsoftware.net> References: <30111290093.20100610102358@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <13CCD55F-8D52-41B9-92DD-06D7D26C1FC7@twft.com> What would be even cooler, is if there was a link to see the entire typeface, and links for where to buy them. Bob On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Have fun- > > http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/kindle2/Periodic_Table_of_Typefaces_large.jpg > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 15:46:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:46:41 +0300 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4C114121.7040101@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 05:31 PM, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > If you haven't sent it yet, I might be tempted to challenge your > delivery... :) Let's see who gets there first! > > Let me think, what would Mr. Mathewson require... > "Mr Mathewson" has just bought a USB2 PCI card (10 Euros) and a fan (3 Euros) (he will remove the internal speaker at the front of the g4 MDD and mount the fan just there): http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/mdd_cooling_mods/MDD_cooling_mods2.html#storytop he is currently trying to lay his hands on a PCI Slot Cooler fan to put at the back (fan at front sucks in, fan at back puffs out): http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/MDD_slot_cooler/mdd_slot_cooler.html#storytop most of his problems probably come down to over-heating. He will be removing a 750 GB and a 320 GB ATA disk from his G4 and move them into Firewire enclosures (he has one and Andre Garzia is sending him another). He is also wondering about collecting a SCSI CD burner from his house in Scotland and popping a disk inside that (as he has a SCSI PCI card on the back of his G4) He is also wondering about popping a fan directly on top of the heatsink: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/mdd_cooling_mods/MDD_cooling_mods.html#storytop He will be extremely grateful for any Firewire enclosures, PCI slot coolers, and so on that anybody sees fit to send him: if anybody wants to send him a Mac Pro he is not quite sure whether he has sufficient gratefulness in his reservoir to repay that sort of thing . . . :) As I know Mr Mathewson reasonably well I know that he intends to go through with this plan this coming Saturday and Sunday! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson (related). From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 16:03:58 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:03:58 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: <8493F046-5114-4966-963F-B4D46B2CA62D@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> <62AF7A3B-54EA-408B-A3A0-215A3ECC5323@lacscentre.co.uk> <8493F046-5114-4966-963F-B4D46B2CA62D@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey Dave, I finally got around to trying this and had no luck. I'm trying to attach a file to a jira ticket and jira isn't cooperating at all. I'm looking at the headers for a successful file upload using a tool in firefox and noticed that it was using Content-Type: image/png instead of Content-Type: application/octet-stream so I tried that, but no change. Other than that I have no idea what I might be doing wrong. Any ideas? gc On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: > > On 15 May 2010, at 21:07, Dave Cragg wrote: > >> The use is a little complicated. You set the httpHeaders to the first line of the returned data, and lines 2 to the end is the data to post. > > More complicated than I remember. It doesn't return the data. Instead, you pass in a variable that gets filled in. But it's explained in the link. > > Dave_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Jun 10 16:09:18 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:09:18 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E8CEEA7-9449-42D2-A380-CE21F794EFEC@pacifier.com> If I remember correctly you were talking about USB 2.0 cards, SATA drives etc. to run on a Mac G4. Below is a link to and interesting product that will hook up to your USB port and then you can use from it various internal drives as and external drive. They also sell rubber holders for the drive to prevent the drive from shorting out. It is reasonably priced too. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2NV2SPATA/? utm_source=macworld&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=120409 -=>JB<=- On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > If you haven't sent it yet, I might be tempted to challenge your > delivery... :) Let's see who gets there first! > > Let me think, what would Mr. Mathewson require... > > BTW: Why not transfer the files over ethernet? I had once > reinstalled the OS (not clean) and had access to the files, I then > transferred the entire lot over cat5 to another machine, much quicker. > If the G4 has space for two drives: Do a clean install on a new > drive (doesn't have to be large capacity) and mount the second > drive, then transfer over ethernet. > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 09/06/2010 20:40, Andre Garzia wrote: >> I will send it as a registered package so we can all have terrible >> fun while >> tracking it, it will be like "where in the world is carmen >> sandiego" or >> something... >> >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, >> Richmondwrote: >> >>> On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >>> >>>> It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking >>>> document. But I >>>> don't think that 's what you meant. >>>> >>>> I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping >>>> experiment! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil >>> and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my >>> address for >>> what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. >>> >>> Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 16:12:12 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:12:12 -0600 Subject: How to attach a file in the forums In-Reply-To: <1175a.5b2928d7.3942973d@aol.com> References: <1175a.5b2928d7.3942973d@aol.com> Message-ID: Zip it first and then you can attach. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:30 PM, wrote: > This is on the ? "Studio and Enterprise" forum. I made a small stack to > illustrate a point. I tried to attach it to my post. > > Just cannot do it. Errors have to do with extension issues and no-extension > issues. Anyone know the protocol? Should I contact Heather? > > Thanks, > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Jun 10 16:15:37 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:15:37 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: <3E8CEEA7-9449-42D2-A380-CE21F794EFEC@pacifier.com> References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> <3E8CEEA7-9449-42D2-A380-CE21F794EFEC@pacifier.com> Message-ID: This device is a lot less "messy" - like a toaster. I've got the firewire version. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2ES2HDK/ On 10 June 2010 13:09, -= JB =- wrote: > If I remember correctly you were talking about USB 2.0 cards, SATA drives > etc. > to run on a Mac G4. Below is a link to and interesting product that will > hook up > to your USB port and then you can use from it various internal drives as > and > external drive. They also sell rubber holders for the drive to prevent the > drive > from shorting out. It is reasonably priced too. > > > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2NV2SPATA/?utm_source=macworld&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=120409 > > -=>JB<=- > > > > > On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Luis wrote: > > Hiya, >> >> If you haven't sent it yet, I might be tempted to challenge your >> delivery... :) Let's see who gets there first! >> >> Let me think, what would Mr. Mathewson require... >> >> BTW: Why not transfer the files over ethernet? I had once reinstalled the >> OS (not clean) and had access to the files, I then transferred the entire >> lot over cat5 to another machine, much quicker. >> If the G4 has space for two drives: Do a clean install on a new drive >> (doesn't have to be large capacity) and mount the second drive, then >> transfer over ethernet. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luis. >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 20:40, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >>> I will send it as a registered package so we can all have terrible fun >>> while >>> tracking it, it will be like "where in the world is carmen sandiego" or >>> something... >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Richmond>> >wrote: >>> >>> On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >>>> >>>> It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking document. But >>>>> I >>>>> don't think that 's what you meant. >>>>> >>>>> I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping >>>>> experiment! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil >>>> and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my address for >>>> what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. >>>> >>>> Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Jun 10 16:44:00 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:44:00 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> <3E8CEEA7-9449-42D2-A380-CE21F794EFEC@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I did not know about that one, very nice. One thing about the other is it works with IDE/ATAP which I think is the main drive in the G4 so it can be used to update a drive and then swap it out with the old smaller drive, at least that is what I think it can help out in. -=>JB<=- On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:15 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > This device is a lot less "messy" - like a toaster. I've got the > firewire > version. > > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2ES2HDK/ > > On 10 June 2010 13:09, -= JB =- wrote: > >> If I remember correctly you were talking about USB 2.0 cards, SATA >> drives >> etc. >> to run on a Mac G4. Below is a link to and interesting product >> that will >> hook up >> to your USB port and then you can use from it various internal >> drives as >> and >> external drive. They also sell rubber holders for the drive to >> prevent the >> drive >> from shorting out. It is reasonably priced too. >> >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2NV2SPATA/? >> utm_source=macworld&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=120409 >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Luis wrote: >> >> Hiya, >>> >>> If you haven't sent it yet, I might be tempted to challenge your >>> delivery... :) Let's see who gets there first! >>> >>> Let me think, what would Mr. Mathewson require... >>> >>> BTW: Why not transfer the files over ethernet? I had once >>> reinstalled the >>> OS (not clean) and had access to the files, I then transferred >>> the entire >>> lot over cat5 to another machine, much quicker. >>> If the G4 has space for two drives: Do a clean install on a new >>> drive >>> (doesn't have to be large capacity) and mount the second drive, then >>> transfer over ethernet. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Luis. >>> >>> >>> On 09/06/2010 20:40, Andre Garzia wrote: >>> >>>> I will send it as a registered package so we can all have >>>> terrible fun >>>> while >>>> tracking it, it will be like "where in the world is carmen >>>> sandiego" or >>>> something... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, >>>> Richmond>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking >>>>> document. But >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't think that 's what you meant. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping >>>>>> experiment! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil >>>>> and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my >>>>> address for >>>>> what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. >>>>> >>>>> Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Jun 10 16:51:30 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:51:30 -0700 Subject: [OT] Mac PPC and USB2 ? In-Reply-To: References: <4C0FC6BD.3070300@gmail.com> <4C0FD91E.30403@gmail.com> <4C0FEB8A.4050306@gmail.com> <4C10F734.6000704@anachreon.co.uk> <3E8CEEA7-9449-42D2-A380-CE21F794EFEC@pacifier.com> Message-ID: yes, of course...good point. I have a device like that. Good for emergency situations, not good for routine backup. Too many wires. sqb On 10 June 2010 13:44, -= JB =- wrote: > I did not know about that one, very nice. One thing about the > other is it works with IDE/ATAP which I think is the main drive > in the G4 so it can be used to update a drive and then swap > it out with the old smaller drive, at least that is what I think it > can help out in. > > -=>JB<=- > > > > > On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:15 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > > This device is a lot less "messy" - like a toaster. I've got the firewire >> version. >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2ES2HDK/ >> >> On 10 June 2010 13:09, -= JB =- wrote: >> >> If I remember correctly you were talking about USB 2.0 cards, SATA drives >>> etc. >>> to run on a Mac G4. Below is a link to and interesting product that will >>> hook up >>> to your USB port and then you can use from it various internal drives as >>> and >>> external drive. They also sell rubber holders for the drive to prevent >>> the >>> drive >>> from shorting out. It is reasonably priced too. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2NV2SPATA/?utm_source=macworld&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=120409 >>> >>> -=>JB<=- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Luis wrote: >>> >>> Hiya, >>> >>>> >>>> If you haven't sent it yet, I might be tempted to challenge your >>>> delivery... :) Let's see who gets there first! >>>> >>>> Let me think, what would Mr. Mathewson require... >>>> >>>> BTW: Why not transfer the files over ethernet? I had once reinstalled >>>> the >>>> OS (not clean) and had access to the files, I then transferred the >>>> entire >>>> lot over cat5 to another machine, much quicker. >>>> If the G4 has space for two drives: Do a clean install on a new drive >>>> (doesn't have to be large capacity) and mount the second drive, then >>>> transfer over ethernet. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Luis. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/06/2010 20:40, Andre Garzia wrote: >>>> >>>> I will send it as a registered package so we can all have terrible fun >>>>> while >>>>> tracking it, it will be like "where in the world is carmen sandiego" or >>>>> something... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Richmond>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 06/09/2010 10:24 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be quite an interesting read as a Fedex tracking document. >>>>>> But >>>>>> >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't think that 's what you meant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am eagerly awaiting news on this amazing international shipping >>>>>>> experiment! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No offence to Andre; but I think I can safely describe Brazil >>>>>>> >>>>>> and Bulgaria as a wee bit corrupt; so I have sent Andre my address for >>>>>> what is a generous gift; and we shall see what we shall see. >>>>>> >>>>>> Notwithstanding the above Amazon gets through! >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> San Francisco >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Jun 10 17:04:13 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:04:13 EDT Subject: How to attach a file in the forums Message-ID: <15e82.392d6067.3942ad4d@aol.com> Thanks, that's it exactly. No info about that, though in hindsight I should have experimented. Craig Newman From slord at karbonized.com Thu Jun 10 20:05:51 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:05:51 -0400 Subject: Tile background... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm, thought I cancelled this email. Got it working finally. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > Is there a way to import a small image and have it tile ad-nauseam? > I'm trying to avoid importing a massive background image. ?So far the > only method I can find is to use a scrollbar set to OS9 *look and > feel* and setting an image as the background. > From gbojsza at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 20:19:36 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:19:36 -0700 Subject: Linux question / problem Message-ID: I hope that there are some Rev users working with Linux (with Android coming there may quite a few more). Anyways, I am using Fedora 11 with Gnome desktop. What I would like to do is associate a Logo image with the application I am working on. In Windows and OS X this is all built in quite nicely but in Linux it does not seem straight forward. Does anyone have some experience / wisdom or step by step guide on how to do this ... file association, icon location, icon size / format? The second problem that I am encountering (though I don't believe it is only on Linux) is that I import a snapshot of a field, rotate it 90 degrees and then place it at a specific location. All of this works as it should with the exception or annoyance of the image "flashing" on the center of the screen before being rotated and moved. I have tried lock screen import snapshot of field "test" unlock screen But this results in the application hanging until I go and click in the script editor? Is there anyway to do this in a background or hidden? regards, Glen From rman at free.fr Thu Jun 10 20:27:44 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1276216064739-2251167.post@n4.nabble.com> Well thanks for sharing this info! It arrived spot on for me : - my 4 years old dual G5 going bust made me decide to go back to my PC machine, so I needed a transition for runrev ; - And the brand new Intel Atom Program.. which basically requires a little tweaking on a PC machine to participate so that program on mac and sell on windows can no more do the trick... So I confirm I did receive a windows version key. They must have changed their policy, or if it is a bug.. so it is! And next move is getting the Atom Program Runrev plugin... -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revStudio-for-Linux-Also-50-tp2250346p2251167.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From slord at karbonized.com Thu Jun 10 20:35:47 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:35:47 -0400 Subject: Imported images are very dark Message-ID: The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so don't see a reason for this discrepancy. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Thu Jun 10 21:15:21 2010 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:15:21 -0500 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FD5E@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> Even with glasses I couldn't see the edit button. Help!! Mark Smith Associate Director, Repository Manitoba Centre for Health Policy University of Manitoba 727 McDermot Ave Room 408 Winnipeg, Manitoba R3E 3P5 (204) 789-3264 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/units/mchp ________________________________________ From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kanter [jim at d-film.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 2:43 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? Click on the edit button, zoom in on your location and plant a flag. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, wrote: > Cool. How does one get on the map? > > Craig Newman _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From slord at karbonized.com Thu Jun 10 21:26:59 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:26:59 -0400 Subject: Stack shape Message-ID: I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too but not getting very far. I'm trying to make my own stack *shape* and seem to be failing miserably. Why? 1) *Standard* look for OS X actually hasn't been what RunRev is offering for some time now. The bottom corners should be rounded and there is no option for fatboy style title bars. 2) Metal texture is very close but I can't get rid of those 4px wide borders on either side of the stack. So I figured I'd make a shape. Silly me thought that RunRev would actually use the four corners of the shape to render the 4 corners of the stack. Turns out it sticks to the shape image dimensions to the pixel. Any solution to this? Can I assign a shape to each corner to get my rounded corners and build my own custom titlebar? From jmac at consensustech.com Thu Jun 10 23:06:16 2010 From: jmac at consensustech.com (Jim MacConnell) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:06:16 -0700 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there twice.. and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. I'll have to go visit myself next time I'm here. Jim Jim MacConnell Consensus Technology,LLC On Jun 9, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Robert Mann wrote: > > I really wonder how many people actually are out there... what is the runrev > community like, in numbers!? > > about 120 people on the google map, I assume the core of the group > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > tRev mentionned 100 users, less than 20 interested in the doc. > > Would be interesting to gather facts around to have a clearer view. > > Is there a way to get to know the number of users of the nabble runrev list? > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/runrev-community-how-many-licenses-How-many-users-How-many-developpers-tp2249326p2249326.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From slord at karbonized.com Thu Jun 10 23:19:41 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:19:41 -0400 Subject: Stack name baggage Message-ID: So the name of my stack now looks like this: MyStack (1) * What's up with the --> (1) * <-- Can I get rid of this? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jun 10 23:30:12 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:30:12 -0700 Subject: Stack shape Message-ID: <4C11ADC4.2020907@fourthworld.com> Simon Lord wrote: > 1) *Standard* look for OS X actually hasn't been what RunRev is > offering for some time now. The bottom corners should be rounded... Only some window styles are spec'd in the HIG with round corners; the "document" style is the one Rev uses: If you need the "application" style I wonder if Shao Sean here has an external for that.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jun 10 23:32:46 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:32:46 -0700 Subject: Stack name baggage Message-ID: <4C11AE5E.6050801@fourthworld.com> Simon Lord wrote: > So the name of my stack now looks like this: > > MyStack (1) * > > What's up with the --> (1) * <-- Can I get rid of this? That's an indicator of the card number. In MC/Rev, the name of the stack is independent of its title. If the title property is empty you get what you see there as the default. I tend to use the stack name as a sort of short mnemonic ID for coding, and use the title for something more meaningful for the user to see. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jun 11 00:31:32 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:31:32 -0500 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4C11BC24.7030000@hyperactivesw.com> Jim MacConnell wrote: > Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there twice.. > and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. I'll have > to go visit myself next time I'm here. Google insists that I live half a block away. It puts my company in the wrong place and I can't move that flag. I know those neighbors and they aren't me. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 01:20:35 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:20:35 +0300 Subject: Stack name baggage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C11C7A3.706@gmail.com> On 06/11/2010 06:19 AM, Simon Lord wrote: > So the name of my stack now looks like this: > > MyStack (1) * > > What's up with the --> (1) *<-- Can I get rid of this? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > The number in parentheses is the card number of the stack. Do this; set the title of ne to the name of me Or: Copy the name of the stack into the title field in the prefs pane. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jun 11 01:22:05 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:22:05 -0700 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <44154377609.20100610222205@ahsoftware.net> Jim- Thursday, June 10, 2010, 8:06:16 PM, you wrote: > Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there > twice.. and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. > I'll have to go visit myself next time I'm here. Interesting... my office is across the street from itself. I never knew that. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 01:22:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:22:46 +0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <4C11BC24.7030000@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C11BC24.7030000@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4C11C826.7040804@gmail.com> On 06/11/2010 07:31 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Jim MacConnell wrote: >> Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there twice.. >> and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. I'll have >> to go visit myself next time I'm here. > > Google insists that I live half a block away. It puts my company in > the wrong place and I can't move that flag. I know those neighbors and > they aren't me. > That last sentence sounds extremely surreal: " I know those neighbors and they aren't me." Rather like the way I feel when I wake up some mornings: I don't know who this person is, but he seems to be me . . . ) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 01:25:39 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:25:39 +0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <44154377609.20100610222205@ahsoftware.net> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> <44154377609.20100610222205@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4C11C8D3.309@gmail.com> On 06/11/2010 08:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jim- > > Thursday, June 10, 2010, 8:06:16 PM, you wrote: > > >> Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there >> twice.. and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. >> I'll have to go visit myself next time I'm here. >> > Interesting... my office is across the street from itself. I never > knew that. > > Hey; according to a web search I live in Carbondale, Illinois; which is interesting, because as far as I know, I left there about 14 years ago. Mind you, I could be wrong . . . :) Possibly the subsequent stuff: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Scotland and Bulgaria are just hallucinations caused by excessive xTalk coding. Well; Saudi Arabia was a hallucination in its own right! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jun 11 01:25:46 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:25:46 -0700 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <44154377609.20100610222205@ahsoftware.net> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> <44154377609.20100610222205@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <189154598718.20100610222546@ahsoftware.net> Mark- Thursday, June 10, 2010, 10:22:05 PM, I wrote: > Interesting... my office is across the street from itself. I never > knew that. ... but I *did* manage to move the marker. Click the Edit button, move the marker, click Save. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri Jun 11 02:38:42 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:38:42 +0200 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <4C11C8D3.309@gmail.com> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> <44154377609.20100610222205@ahsoftware.net> <4C11C8D3.309@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Richmond, Be careful if you are going in Illinois to not meet you youngest ! Envoy? de mon iPad Le 11 juin 2010 ? 07:25, Richmond a ?crit : > On 06/11/2010 08:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jim- >> >> Thursday, June 10, 2010, 8:06:16 PM, you wrote: >> >> >>> Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there >>> twice.. and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. >>> I'll have to go visit myself next time I'm here. >>> >> Interesting... my office is across the street from itself. I never >> knew that. >> >> > > Hey; according to a web search I live in Carbondale, Illinois; which > is interesting, because as far as I know, I left there about 14 years ago. > > Mind you, I could be wrong . . . :) > > Possibly the subsequent stuff: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Scotland and Bulgaria are > just hallucinations caused by excessive xTalk coding. > > Well; Saudi Arabia was a hallucination in its own right! > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Fri Jun 11 04:15:09 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 01:15:09 -0700 Subject: Stack shape Message-ID: > 2) Metal texture is very close but I can't get rid of those 4px wide > borders on either side of the stack. Try out my external http://shaosean.tk/ssMacWindows.html to see if it does what you need it to do.. Set the metal window property to true Run the "ssSetWindowTexturedSquareCorners" command From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 11 05:48:18 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux question / problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1276249698562-2251550.post@n4.nabble.com> >From memory, as I don't run Gnome any longer, having moved to Fluxbox or ion2. First create your link on the desktop or in the task bar. In the task bar, right click, then when you get to the add application window, take custom application, give the full path as prompted - or browse to the application. On the desktop, right click, create application launcher, giving the path in the same way. In each case you should then be able to right click on the launcher, and select properties. If you then click on the icon, you will be able to navigate to where your own custom icon is (presumably in the folder where your app is located) and select it. If you do this with an app that has been installed through the package manager, you'll find that it auto selects the right icon. I don't know how this binding works. Your app will be unusual, in that its icon will not be stored in any of the usual places, which are /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/pixmaps (in Debian, they may be someplace slightly different in Fedora). If you want to create an iconned desktop link during installation, I think you will have to do it in the install shell script. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Linux-question-problem-tp2251161p2251550.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sloan.justin at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 06:35:16 2010 From: sloan.justin at gmail.com (Justin Sloan) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:35:16 +0300 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo Message-ID: Hello All, I am trying to run a shell() command in revStudio in order to execute some terminal commands as the superuser on a Mac. An Ubuntu terminal will accept the superuser password using a pipe, such as "pass | sudo -S command", but Mac's terminal will not accept the password on the same line. Is there a way to run multiple commands from a single rev shell() call? Or, can I somehow followup a shell() call with the password? Thanks, Justin From sims at ezpzapps.com Fri Jun 11 06:59:59 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:59:59 +0200 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Justin Sloan wrote: > Hello All, > > I am trying to run a shell() command in revStudio in order to execute some terminal commands as the superuser on a Mac. An Ubuntu terminal will accept the superuser password using a pipe, such as "pass | sudo -S command", but Mac's terminal will not accept the password on the same line. > > Is there a way to run multiple commands from a single rev shell() call? Or, can I somehow followup a shell() call with the password? I went to http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/info.html In the search field I put: multiple shell commands os x It returned a few items that might be of help for you, at least worth a try: ----------- As an alternative solution, one could use multiple shell commands separated by a semi-colon: get shell("cd /etc/ ; ls") ----------- atb, sims From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Jun 11 07:36:58 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:36:58 +0200 Subject: How to implement a timebased reminder? Message-ID: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> Hello, I would like to create a timebased reminder (like a reminder from a calendar app), which runs the whole day "in the background"/ as a task icon (windows) or gadget and reminds me in settable intervals about anything. How do you realize this kind of app with using a minimum of the processor power? Using idle and idlerate or any kind of loop or perhaps something completely different? Which would be the less consuming approach? Any hint welcome Tiemo From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Jun 11 07:38:56 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:56 +0200 Subject: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> Message-ID: <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> Hi Tiemo, > Hello, > > I would like to create a timebased reminder (like a reminder from a calendar > app), which runs the whole day "in the background"/ as a task icon (windows) > or gadget and reminds me in settable intervals about anything. > > How do you realize this kind of app with using a minimum of the processor > power? Using idle and idlerate or any kind of loop or perhaps something > completely different? Do not use IDLE! > Which would be the less consuming approach? > > Any hint welcome this also can be done with "ditto" :-D No, just kidding, use "send ... in... " for this purpose! > Tiemo Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From slord at karbonized.com Fri Jun 11 07:44:20 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:44:20 -0400 Subject: Stack shape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bingo. Payment sent. Very impressive little external. :) On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Shao Sean wrote: > >> 2) Metal texture is very close but I can't get rid of those 4px wide >> borders on either side of the stack. > > > Try out my external http://shaosean.tk/ssMacWindows.html to see if it does > what you need it to do.. > Set the metal window property to true > Run the "ssSetWindowTexturedSquareCorners" command > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Jun 11 07:51:18 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:51:18 +0200 Subject: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> Hi Klaus, yes I tried it already with ditto, but my Win7 machine started smoking and making funny noise! Using "send in" in a self calling handler to get the infinite "loop" or what would be the calling handler? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus on-rev > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Juni 2010 13:39 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: How to implement a timebased reminder? > > Hi Tiemo, > > > Hello, > > > > I would like to create a timebased reminder (like a reminder from a > calendar > > app), which runs the whole day "in the background"/ as a task icon > (windows) > > or gadget and reminds me in settable intervals about anything. > > > > How do you realize this kind of app with using a minimum of the > processor > > power? Using idle and idlerate or any kind of loop or perhaps > something > > completely different? > > Do not use IDLE! > > > Which would be the less consuming approach? > > > > Any hint welcome > > this also can be done with "ditto" :-D > > No, just kidding, use "send ... in... " for this purpose! > > > Tiemo > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 07:54:03 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:54:03 -0500 Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 In-Reply-To: <1276216064739-2251167.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1276216064739-2251167.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Just read my reply from Heather at RunRev... No problemo with swapping the Linux version in place of the Mac version offered in the package from TheMacSale. We're good to go! It probably wasn't ever a big issue, but I just hate being "sneaky" about such things. I prefer to have all the cards on the table and rules being followed when I play. ;-) Best regards, David C. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 08:00:54 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:00:54 -0700 Subject: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> Message-ID: <84B6BD53-AA4C-4DC0-B058-161CCD786B03@yahoo.com> make a check box button on mouseup callMyStackScriptTimer end mouseUp on callMyStackScriptTimer waitSecs if waitSecs is empty then put 10 into waitSecs if the hilight of btn "timerStatus" is true then -- do these commands send "callMyStackScriptTimer" in waitSecs seconds end if end callMyStackScriptTimer --now the script can be called by different routines --setting the hilight of the check box will stop any 'send in' calls --obviously, if your mouseup turns off the check box, the loop will skip the tasks This is just one way of accomplishing the task. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Klaus, > yes I tried it already with ditto, but my Win7 machine started > smoking and > making funny noise! > Using "send in" in a self calling handler to get the infinite "loop" > or what > would be the calling handler? > Thanks > Tiemo > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus on-rev >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Juni 2010 13:39 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: How to implement a timebased reminder? >> >> Hi Tiemo, >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would like to create a timebased reminder (like a reminder from a >> calendar >>> app), which runs the whole day "in the background"/ as a task icon >> (windows) >>> or gadget and reminds me in settable intervals about anything. >>> >>> How do you realize this kind of app with using a minimum of the >> processor >>> power? Using idle and idlerate or any kind of loop or perhaps >> something >>> completely different? >> >> Do not use IDLE! >> >>> Which would be the less consuming approach? >>> >>> Any hint welcome >> >> this also can be done with "ditto" :-D >> >> No, just kidding, use "send ... in... " for this purpose! >> From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri Jun 11 08:05:15 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:05:15 +0100 Subject: Rio and London Message-ID: Seeking London based revolutionaries for fun and FaceTime :) Also partly in response to Andre's sprint suggestion - I'd like to organise a meet-up in London, where we can chat, talk, swap ideas and even code. I'd propose meeting at the National Theatre - in the members area. It's got good wifi, coffee and views of the Thames. Now Andre if you can organise views of Rio... From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Jun 11 08:08:55 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:08:55 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <84B6BD53-AA4C-4DC0-B058-161CCD786B03@yahoo.com> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> <84B6BD53-AA4C-4DC0-B058-161CCD786B03@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901cb095e$dd986900$98c93b00$@de> Thanks Jim and Klaus for your helpful ideas Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Ault > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Juni 2010 14:01 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? > > make a check box button > on mouseup > callMyStackScriptTimer > end mouseUp > > on callMyStackScriptTimer waitSecs > if waitSecs is empty then put 10 into waitSecs > if the hilight of btn "timerStatus" is true then > -- do these commands > send "callMyStackScriptTimer" in waitSecs seconds > end if > end callMyStackScriptTimer > > --now the script can be called by different routines > --setting the hilight of the check box will stop any 'send in' calls > --obviously, if your mouseup turns off the check box, the loop will > skip the tasks > > This is just one way of accomplishing the task. > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Hi Klaus, > > yes I tried it already with ditto, but my Win7 machine started > > smoking and > > making funny noise! > > Using "send in" in a self calling handler to get the infinite "loop" > > or what > > would be the calling handler? > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus on-rev > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Juni 2010 13:39 > >> An: How to use Revolution > >> Betreff: Re: How to implement a timebased reminder? > >> > >> Hi Tiemo, > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I would like to create a timebased reminder (like a reminder from a > >> calendar > >>> app), which runs the whole day "in the background"/ as a task icon > >> (windows) > >>> or gadget and reminds me in settable intervals about anything. > >>> > >>> How do you realize this kind of app with using a minimum of the > >> processor > >>> power? Using idle and idlerate or any kind of loop or perhaps > >> something > >>> completely different? > >> > >> Do not use IDLE! > >> > >>> Which would be the less consuming approach? > >>> > >>> Any hint welcome > >> > >> this also can be done with "ditto" :-D > >> > >> No, just kidding, use "send ... in... " for this purpose! > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Jun 11 08:09:17 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:09:17 +0200 Subject: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> Message-ID: Hi Tiemo, > Hi Klaus, > yes I tried it already with ditto, but my Win7 machine started smoking and > making funny noise! > Using "send in" in a self calling handler to get the infinite "loop" or what > would be the calling handler? Jim was faster :-) > Thanks > Tiemo Have a sunny weekend! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From revolution at derbrill.de Fri Jun 11 08:12:17 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:12:17 +0200 Subject: Scanning barcodes In-Reply-To: <20100608064302.8F7E92882E1@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100608064302.8F7E92882E1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> Hi all, I wonder if anyone has got recommendations for a barcode scanner device that works with rev. Ideally it would read both traditional barcodes and those newer 2d codes and work with Win PCs and Macs (Linux a plus). Is anyone doing this already and can recommend a device and maybe some test code to peek at? All the best, Malte From slord at karbonized.com Fri Jun 11 08:26:08 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:26:08 -0400 Subject: Externals Message-ID: Just downloaded my first external from Shao and I love it. Where's the best place(s) to get more? I only see a handful on the runrev site. From kee at kagi.com Fri Jun 11 08:34:31 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:34:31 -0700 Subject: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> Message-ID: I do a bunch of this run forever kind of stuff. If I was going to build a reminder system, here's how I'd rig it. First I'd store the data about each alarm. For simplicity sake lets assume you have a table that has three columns: alarm time, event name, status You could store alarm time using dateitems Event name would be the text you want displayed status would be a marker as to whether you acked the alarm ("old" or "new") and whether a "send .. in" had been sent for this alarm ("active"). Then on stack startup, I'd go through every alarm in the list and any "active" markers I would set back to "new". Then for any "new" markers, if the alarm time had already past, I'd put up the alarm and request that the user ack it, and I'd set the status for that alarm to "old". Then for all "new" alarms, IF there is a future alarm find the one that is the next one to happen and do the "send .. in ..." script for it AND I'd set its status to "active" so that you know not to create another "send ... in" message. I have no idea what the longest "send ... in" time period is but to be safe, maybe your maximum time delay is 4 hours? If you don't have an alarm within 4 hours, just do a 4 hour "Send In" and check things when it next wakes up. The "send ... in" message would always be the same message. Essentially it would tell your system to wake up and scan the alarms and see if there are any that are active or new that need to be displayed to the user. The only trick to all of this is I have no idea what happens with the send in message if your computer has gone to sleep. If I was going to build it ... Kee On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Klaus, > yes I tried it already with ditto, but my Win7 machine started smoking and > making funny noise! > Using "send in" in a self calling handler to get the infinite "loop" or what > would be the calling handler? > Thanks > Tiemo > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus on-rev >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Juni 2010 13:39 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: How to implement a timebased reminder? >> >> Hi Tiemo, >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would like to create a timebased reminder (like a reminder from a >> calendar >>> app), which runs the whole day "in the background"/ as a task icon >> (windows) >>> or gadget and reminds me in settable intervals about anything. >>> >>> How do you realize this kind of app with using a minimum of the >> processor >>> power? Using idle and idlerate or any kind of loop or perhaps >> something >>> completely different? >> >> Do not use IDLE! >> >>> Which would be the less consuming approach? >>> >>> Any hint welcome >> >> this also can be done with "ditto" :-D >> >> No, just kidding, use "send ... in... " for this purpose! >> >>> Tiemo >> >> Best >> >> Klaus >> >> -- >> Klaus Major >> http://www.major-k.de >> klaus at major.on-rev.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ------------------------------------------------- I check email roughly 2 to 3 times per business day. Kagi main office: +1 (510) 550-1336 From jmyepes at mac.com Fri Jun 11 08:39:16 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Scanning barcodes In-Reply-To: <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> References: <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <1276259956300-2251753.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, I used the Metrologic Vogayer USB, the bluetooth give me many problems but for the bluetooht itself. With 2d codes I don't test, for the others codes work as a keyboard entry. http://www.honeywellaidc.com Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Scanning-barcodes-tp2251724p2251753.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cszasz at mac.com Fri Jun 11 08:54:19 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Save Dialog showing current name of file open Message-ID: <1276260859347-2251770.post@n4.nabble.com> I have been able to code the standard save dialog boxes that are in the Rev Manual for my project. But I have not been able to code a save dialog box that shows the name of a current window open where the user is asked if you want to save it with that name. All that I can get is the save dialog with Save As: untitled.txt. I looked through the Use/Rev archives and could not find any mention of creating such a dialog! Since my app only permits one document open at a time, a Save Dialog giving the name of the current document would be very appropriate as opposed to the Standard Dialog of "Don't Save", "Cancel" and "Save". I greatly appreciate if someone could show me how to create such a dialog! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Save-Dialog-showing-current-name-of-file-open-tp2251770p2251770.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Fri Jun 11 08:55:34 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:55:34 -0400 Subject: Externals Message-ID: > Just downloaded my first external from Shao and I love it. thanks for the kind words.. > Where's the best place(s) to get more? I only see a handful on the runrev site. i think the majority of externals written are to tackle an internal issue and are not released to the public.. From slord at karbonized.com Fri Jun 11 09:07:31 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:07:31 -0400 Subject: revStudio for Linux Also $50 In-Reply-To: References: <1276216064739-2251167.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I bought both mac and windows versions this way. I'll probably be purchasing the service pack for free updates next week and then the regular payments going forward. So the *sneaky* feeling never occurred to me?the somewhat *free* ride won't last more than a year then I'll be part of the herd paying the going price like everyone else. In the end everyone wins. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, David C. wrote: > Just read my reply from Heather at RunRev... > No problemo with swapping the Linux version in place of the Mac > version offered in the package from TheMacSale. We're good to go! > > It probably wasn't ever a big issue, but I just hate being "sneaky" > about such things. I prefer to have all the cards on the table and > rules being followed when I play. ;-) > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jun 11 09:14:39 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:14:39 -0700 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? Message-ID: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Almost as accurate as Google (maybe more so ), with nothing more than your IP address: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 09:16:59 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:16:59 -0700 Subject: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> Message-ID: <57538863-C64D-444E-940C-0B57FD5DA394@yahoo.com> On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:34 AM, Kee Nethery wrote: > > The only trick to all of this is I have no idea what happens with > the send in message if your computer has gone to sleep. > > If I was going to build it ... > > Kee One method is to have an TimerAgentApp.rev that scans, then notifies another MainApp.rev that it is time to check I use an FTPagent.rev app to scan the output of a Photoshop action script to move, rename, and upload files automatically. Scott Rossi TimeSpinner stack A cool design of this a sample stack written by Scott Rossi called TimeSpinner The name refers to the dramatic visual effect he demonstatrates. www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/software/tutorial_thumbs.html I used this as an app for my time and date display for a *couple years*. It ran *flawlessly*, even after waking from sleep mode. The second app can use a constant 'send in' since it only has one loop to run. ---------------------------------- Another approach that is less user friendly... .. program a CRON job, which would be active whenever the *nix system is running in the correct mode. Another trigger that would be persistent is to use text files, then look for them The agent looking could be the cron task script that detects a file and the Rev app running, then sends the trigger. Hope this helps with adding confusion. Jim Ault Las Vegas From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 09:36:38 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:36:38 -0600 Subject: AW: How to implement a timebased reminder? In-Reply-To: <57538863-C64D-444E-940C-0B57FD5DA394@yahoo.com> References: <002301cb095a$671cabf0$355603d0$@de> <4EB2A0B8-BAF0-4A27-8C35-BFBAC9EEE917@major.on-rev.com> <002801cb095c$67dc6790$379536b0$@de> <57538863-C64D-444E-940C-0B57FD5DA394@yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you go with the cron job method, and want it to be cross platform you can use 'at' on windows to setup jobs. Requires the schedule service to be running, and haven't used it on anything after XP. I assume vista and 7 still have at? On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:34 AM, Kee Nethery wrote: >> >> The only trick to all of this is I have no idea what happens with the send >> in message if your computer has gone to sleep. >> >> If I was going to build it ... >> >> Kee > > One method is to have an TimerAgentApp.rev that scans, then notifies another > MainApp.rev that it is time to check > > I use an FTPagent.rev app to scan the output of a Photoshop action script to > move, rename, and upload files automatically. > > Scott Rossi ? TimeSpinner stack > A cool design of this a sample stack written by Scott Rossi called > TimeSpinner > ? The name refers to the dramatic visual effect he demonstatrates. > ? www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/software/tutorial_thumbs.html > ? I used this as an app for my time and date display for a *couple years*. > ? It ran *flawlessly*, even after waking from sleep mode. > > The second app can use a constant 'send in' since it only has one loop to > run. > ---------------------------------- > Another approach that is less user friendly... > .. program a CRON job, which would be active whenever the *nix system is > running in the correct mode. > > Another trigger that would be persistent is to use text files, then look for > them > The agent looking could be the cron task script that detects a file and the > Rev app running, then sends the trigger. > > Hope this helps with adding confusion. > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 09:41:03 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:41:03 -0600 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: IP location is always several hundred miles off for me, says i'm in Chimayo, other places say Espanola. I always knew my home was a figment, but this is proof! On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Almost as accurate as Google (maybe more so ), with nothing more than > your IP address: > > > > > -- > ?Richard Gaskin > ?Fourth World > ?Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > ?Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > ?revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From film2 at handheldfilm.com Fri Jun 11 09:19:08 2010 From: film2 at handheldfilm.com (Emmett Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:19:08 -0400 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 81, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <20100611033401.2834228836D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100611033401.2834228836D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I tried this. What is happening now is that the image ends up covering up and hiding all the other objects in the background. Sending to back doesn't change this. I don't get it yet, sorry to say. >Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:43:42 AM, you wrote: > >> up when I try to bring it in as "new control" - like it ends up only >> on the current card. > >Easiest way to do this is from the menubar: > >Select the background group >Click Edit group (starts the edit process) >Import as control (imports the image into the background) >Click Edit group (ends the edit process) > >-- >-Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Jun 11 10:03:43 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:03:43 +0200 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 81, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: <20100611033401.2834228836D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <76CADCCA-B548-4404-BC08-A2A7178F820C@major.on-rev.com> Hi Emmett, > I tried this. What is happening now is that the image ends up covering up and hiding all the other objects in the background. Sending to back doesn't change this. I don't get it yet, sorry to say. >> Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:43:42 AM, you wrote: >> >>> up when I try to bring it in as "new control" - like it ends up only >>> on the current card. >> >> Easiest way to do this is from the menubar: >> Select the background group >> Click Edit group (starts the edit process) >> Import as control (imports the image into the background) >> Click Edit group (ends the edit process) >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net Did you resize the image? Sounds like the image resizes to its orginal dimensions after setting the filename or importing it (again). In the "Inspector" palette -> "Size & position" check "Lock size and position" (lockloc) after you set the correct size of that image object. That should fix it, if my presumption is correct ;-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Jun 11 11:33:34 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:33:34 -0300 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this kind of stuff is to use the "expect" tool. http://expect.sourceforge.net/ With expect you can automate many command line things. HTH Andre On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Justin Sloan wrote: > Hello All, > > I am trying to run a shell() command in revStudio in order to execute some > terminal commands as the superuser on a Mac. An Ubuntu terminal will accept > the superuser password using a pipe, such as "pass | sudo -S command", but > Mac's terminal will not accept the password on the same line. > > Is there a way to run multiple commands from a single rev shell() call? Or, > can I somehow followup a shell() call with the password? > > Thanks, > > Justin_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jun 11 11:44:38 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:44:38 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 81, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: <20100611033401.2834228836D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <571098203.20100611084438@ahsoftware.net> Emmett- Friday, June 11, 2010, 6:19:08 AM, you wrote: > I tried this. What is happening now is that the image ends up > covering up and hiding all the other objects in the background. > Sending to back doesn't change this. I don't get it yet, sorry to say. What Klaus said. I thought from your original message that you had already resized the image using another app. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri Jun 11 11:51:46 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:51:46 +0100 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't think expect is the right way to do this - best would be to use an ssh key (seem to remember that is how I used to do this back when i was on Linux with Metacard), or else to write a bash script as a text file and then get rev to execute that. On 11 June 2010 16:33, Andre Garzia wrote: > Justin, > > I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this > kind of stuff is to use the "expect" tool. > > http://expect.sourceforge.net/ > > With expect you can automate many command line things. > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jun 11 12:29:47 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:29:47 -0500 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <4C11C826.7040804@gmail.com> References: <1276109447491-2249326.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C11BC24.7030000@hyperactivesw.com> <4C11C826.7040804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C12647B.9080406@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond wrote: > On 06/11/2010 07:31 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Jim MacConnell wrote: >>> Knew I was on the map but was very surprised to see I'm there twice.. >>> and my house seems to only be a little way from my house. I'll have >>> to go visit myself next time I'm here. >> >> Google insists that I live half a block away. It puts my company in >> the wrong place and I can't move that flag. I know those neighbors and >> they aren't me. >> > > That last sentence sounds extremely surreal: " I know those neighbors > and they aren't me." > > Rather like the way I feel when I wake up some mornings: I don't know > who this > person is, but he seems to be me . . . ) Perhaps we're both Gregor Samson. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Jun 11 13:09:08 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:09:08 -0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Richard, That link put me more than 300 KM away from where I really am... I am in the City of Niter?i in the State of Rio de Janeiro... it put me in S?o Paulo state in the city of S?o Paulo... tricky ips... On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Almost as accurate as Google (maybe more so ), with nothing more than > your IP address: > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri Jun 11 13:15:01 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:15:01 +0200 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <108A3433-4437-4020-B061-6A77E346BCB4@numericable.com> It is good for me in Paris Ren? Le 11 juin 2010 ? 19:09, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > Richard, > > That link put me more than 300 KM away from where I really am... I am in the > City of Niter?i in the State of Rio de Janeiro... it put me in S?o Paulo > state in the city of S?o Paulo... tricky ips... > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > >> Almost as accurate as Google (maybe more so ), with nothing more than >> your IP address: >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jun 11 13:25:54 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:25:54 -0700 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <57174593.20100611102554@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Friday, June 11, 2010, 10:09:08 AM, you wrote: > That link put me more than 300 KM away from where I really am... I guess I shouldn't complain then - I'm only 18 km from myself. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bobs at twft.com Fri Jun 11 13:32:33 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:32:33 -0700 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70AC5A19-241C-40CA-83A8-539320BAA328@twft.com> What happens is this: You have your monitor set to be bright and high contrast. You Open an image in Photoshop, and Adobe's own color correction adjusts the color of the image based on the current monitor profile it is set to. Now you save the file, most likely with the color profile embedded. I suspect that Revolution's importer does not take into account this embedded profile. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but it's irrelevant because Photoshop has made the adjustments based upon what it "thinks" is the right thing to do. It never is. The result is a darker file than the original. You will have the same problem if you open the file in iPhoto. I haven't futzed with it for some time, but I think the key is to open files in Photoshop without any color correction and save them the same way. I am still using CS2 so I cannot say for sure how to do that in later versions. There really needs to be a "Don't screw up my color" setting in all Adobe applications preferences. You can open Photoshop's preferences and tell it how you want it to handle color. For those who don't hate verbose posts, here is a little background: This is a problem with Photoshop's color correction. When Photoshop was originally introduced, and for a few major releases after that, the color you picked was the color you got. One of my first graphics projects I did involved creating a photo with a blended mask to a particular Pantone color, and then placing that photo into an Illustrator document with the same Pantone color as a background. It worked perfectly. A year later, after Adobe decided to "correct" their color, we reopened the Illustrator document and found that the pantone color in the photo no longer matched the one in the Illustrator document! So shocked was I that I created a new photoshop document, filled with the same pantone color, placed it in another Illustrator document, created a square with the same pantone fill, and I'll be d**ned if they were not even close to the same color!!! Adobe could not even get pantone colors straight between their own apps!!! Since then Adobe has made a shambles of color correction, which is a pipe dream anyway. The best you can do is try to come up with a "perceived" balance between color on a printed media, and color from a light source, not to mention the different kinds of printed media, i.e.. gloss vs. matte. Computer monitors, especially LCD monitors, do not do a terrible good job at accurate color rendering, and even when you do have a high quality color accurate LCD, and configure it as accurately as possible, you wouldn't like the look of it. People like bright high contrast displays, especially in brightly lit rooms. That is why good graphic arts companies carefully control the lighting and the quality of the equipment they use, and more than likely use CRT displays. http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html On Jun 10, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in > Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so don't > see a reason for this discrepancy. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jun 11 13:35:44 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:35:44 -0500 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> Simon Lord wrote: > The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in > Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so don't > see a reason for this discrepancy. If you are saving the images as .png, they have an embedded gamma setting. Try saving as .jpg instead and see if that helps. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Fri Jun 11 13:37:18 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:37:18 -0700 Subject: Scanning barcodes In-Reply-To: <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> References: <20100608064302.8F7E92882E1@mail.runrev.com> <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <7DD397AC-E53D-4EC1-B5E7-0C3E3338B871@twft.com> Hi Malte. Just about any scanner has a mode where it will "type" at the location of a cursor. We use something called the Magpie from Peninsula. It was very reasonably priced, compared to a lot of other bar code scanners I looked at. Peninsula Low Hall Sheep Dyke Lane Hunmanby North Yorkshire YO14 0PS United Kingdom +44 1723890699 sales at peninsula-group.com Bob On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:12 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if anyone has got recommendations for a barcode scanner device that works with rev. > Ideally it would read both traditional barcodes and those newer 2d codes and work with Win PCs and Macs (Linux a plus). > Is anyone doing this already and can recommend a device and maybe some test code to peek at? > > All the best, > > Malte > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Fri Jun 11 13:52:59 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:52:59 -0400 Subject: Scanning barcodes In-Reply-To: <7DD397AC-E53D-4EC1-B5E7-0C3E3338B871@twft.com> References: <20100608064302.8F7E92882E1@mail.runrev.com> <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> <7DD397AC-E53D-4EC1-B5E7-0C3E3338B871@twft.com> Message-ID: <1C3896AB-CC23-433F-9703-6B58920F063A@verizon.net> On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Just about any scanner has a mode where it will "type" at the location of a cursor. We use something called the Magpie from Peninsula. It was very reasonably priced, compared to a lot of other bar code scanners I looked at. Unfortunately, this page of theirs: http://www.barcodereaders.com/barcodereadertypes/default.html suggests that their scanners don't read the QR codes that was mentioned. Here's a page of scanners that can: http://www1.shopping.com/xPP-barcode_scanners--qr_code though I don't know for sure if they do the usual trick of making it look like you're getting input from a keyboard. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 14:11:00 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:11:00 -0700 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <66DADF4F-0936-4145-BC0D-87E90BEFCC3F@yahoo.com> On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Simon Lord wrote: >> The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in >> Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so don't >> see a reason for this discrepancy. > > If you are saving the images as .png, they have an embedded gamma > setting. Try saving as .jpg instead and see if that helps. Actually, the color shift occurs when using Photoshop as the external editor. In a Rev stack, Get the rgb values of the top-left pixel of an image. Right click on an image, choose external editor as Photoshop. Make an edit, note the exact rgb values the top left pixel, then close to update the image in Rev. Now you will see a slightly different rgb values than Photoshop reported. From what I remember, this shift is relative and not the same offset for each r,g,b channel. Jim Ault Las Vegas From irog at mac.com Fri Jun 11 14:16:24 2010 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:16:24 -0700 Subject: OT: Periodic Table of Typefaces In-Reply-To: <20100611033401.2834228836D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100611033401.2834228836D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Very cool! Thank you, Mark. Cheers, Roger Guay On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:34 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:23:58 -0700 > From: Mark Wieder > Subject: OT: Periodic Table of Typefaces > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Message-ID: <30111290093.20100610102358 at ahsoftware.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Have fun- > > http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/kindle2/Periodic_Table_of_Typefaces_large.jpg > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Jun 11 14:20:44 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:20:44 +0200 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: <66DADF4F-0936-4145-BC0D-87E90BEFCC3F@yahoo.com> References: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> <66DADF4F-0936-4145-BC0D-87E90BEFCC3F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: This might be a Snow Leopard problem, although Simon didn't say he works on Snow Leopard. http://qurl.tk/cb -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 11 jun 2010, at 20:11, Jim Ault wrote: > > On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Simon Lord wrote: >>> The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see >>> in >>> Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so >>> don't >>> see a reason for this discrepancy. >> >> If you are saving the images as .png, they have an embedded gamma >> setting. Try saving as .jpg instead and see if that helps. > Actually, the color shift occurs when using Photoshop as the > external editor. > > In a Rev stack, > Get the rgb values of the top-left pixel of an image. > Right click on an image, choose external editor as Photoshop. > Make an edit, note the exact rgb values the top left pixel, then > close to update the image in Rev. > > Now you will see a slightly different rgb values than Photoshop > reported. > > From what I remember, this shift is relative and not the same offset > for each r,g,b channel. > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas From slord at karbonized.com Fri Jun 11 14:34:10 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:34:10 -0400 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: References: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> <66DADF4F-0936-4145-BC0D-87E90BEFCC3F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do use snow leopard. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > I am in Snow Leopard. > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Mark Schonewille > wrote: >> This might be a Snow Leopard problem, although Simon didn't say he works on >> Snow Leopard. >> http://qurl.tk/cb >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> >> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote >> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html >> Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share >> the clipboard of your computer over the local network. >> >> On 11 jun 2010, at 20:11, Jim Ault wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >>> >>>> Simon Lord wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in >>>>> Photoshop. ?Is there a reason for this? ?I'm working in sRGB so don't >>>>> see a reason for this discrepancy. >>>> >>>> If you are saving the images as .png, they have an embedded gamma >>>> setting. Try saving as .jpg instead and see if that helps. >>> >>> Actually, the color shift occurs when using Photoshop as the external >>> editor. >>> >>> In a Rev stack, >>> Get the rgb values of the top-left pixel of an image. >>> Right click on an image, choose external editor as Photoshop. >>> Make an edit, note the exact rgb values the top left pixel, then close to >>> update the image in Rev. >>> >>> Now you will see a slightly different rgb values than Photoshop reported. >>> >>> From what I remember, this shift is relative and not the same offset for >>> each r,g,b channel. >>> >>> Jim Ault >>> Las Vegas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > From massung at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 14:36:59 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:36:59 -0500 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: References: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> <66DADF4F-0936-4145-BC0D-87E90BEFCC3F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth, I've noticed the same thing. Even more interesting is that it's not in the stack itself where the image is darker. If I load up the same stack on a Windows machine the images display brighter (correctly) and the RGB values are correct. I use Snow Leopard as well. Jeff M. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > I do use snow leopard. > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > > I am in Snow Leopard. > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Mark Schonewille > > wrote: > >> This might be a Snow Leopard problem, although Simon didn't say he works > on > >> Snow Leopard. > >> http://qurl.tk/cb > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Mark Schonewille > >> > >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > >> > >> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote > >> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > >> Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share > >> the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > >> > >> On 11 jun 2010, at 20:11, Jim Ault wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >>> > >>>> Simon Lord wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in > >>>>> Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so don't > >>>>> see a reason for this discrepancy. > >>>> > >>>> If you are saving the images as .png, they have an embedded gamma > >>>> setting. Try saving as .jpg instead and see if that helps. > >>> > >>> Actually, the color shift occurs when using Photoshop as the external > >>> editor. > >>> > >>> In a Rev stack, > >>> Get the rgb values of the top-left pixel of an image. > >>> Right click on an image, choose external editor as Photoshop. > >>> Make an edit, note the exact rgb values the top left pixel, then close > to > >>> update the image in Rev. > >>> > >>> Now you will see a slightly different rgb values than Photoshop > reported. > >>> > >>> From what I remember, this shift is relative and not the same offset > for > >>> each r,g,b channel. > >>> > >>> Jim Ault > >>> Las Vegas > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > >> preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From teacherjim42 at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 14:47:36 2010 From: teacherjim42 at gmail.com (Jim Lyons) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:47:36 -0400 Subject: Is there hope for RevMobile on iPad after all??? Message-ID: John Gruber just linked to this: http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua pointing out a new change to that critical section of the Developer License Agreement for iThingies about built-in interpreters. Does this give us hope? Still lurking after all these years, Jim From hmauro at hmauro.com Fri Jun 11 14:55:07 2010 From: hmauro at hmauro.com (Haroldo Mauro Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:55:07 -0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Andre, you'd never, never, think there was going to be someone using Revolution (mac), in Barra de S?o Jo?o, RJ, would you? Well, here I am... Haroldo At 14:09 -0300 11/06/10, Andre Garzia wrote: >Richard, > >That link put me more than 300 KM away from where I really am... I am in the >City of Niter?i in the State of Rio de Janeiro... it put me in S?o Paulo >state in the city of S?o Paulo... tricky ips... > From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Jun 11 14:58:36 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:58:36 -0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: \O/ We just doubled the amount of Brazilian Rev Users! Victory!!!! Onwards to total domination!!! You're practically a neighbor, now we can organize sprints with a view to the bay and send it to David there by the Thames. \O/ On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > Andre, you'd never, never, think there was going to be someone using > Revolution (mac), in Barra de S?o Jo?o, RJ, would you? Well, here I am... > Haroldo > > At 14:09 -0300 11/06/10, Andre Garzia wrote: > >Richard, > > > >That link put me more than 300 KM away from where I really am... I am in > the > >City of Niter?i in the State of Rio de Janeiro... it put me in S?o Paulo > >state in the city of S?o Paulo... tricky ips... > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri Jun 11 15:11:52 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:11:52 +0100 Subject: Is there hope for RevMobile on iPad after all??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B2A2556-0853-44F9-95D1-88EAAD8F94EB@azurevision.co.uk> I just spotted it myself, but given the need for written acceptance from Apple and their previous response to Runrev I'd be doubtful. Looks like it's more for scripting engines in games. Ian On 11 Jun 2010, at 19:47, Jim Lyons wrote: > John Gruber just linked to this: > > http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua > > pointing out a new change to that critical section of the Developer > License Agreement for iThingies about built-in interpreters. Does > this give us hope? > > Still lurking after all these years, > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From film2 at handheldfilm.com Fri Jun 11 15:16:15 2010 From: film2 at handheldfilm.com (Emmett Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:16:15 -0400 Subject: Help with bg graphic Message-ID: Ahhh.... Thanks everyone who helped. Little by little, Rev secrets are revealed. At 12:00 PM -0500 6/11/10, Klaus wrote: > > I tried this. What is happening now is that the image ends up >covering up and hiding all the other objects in the background. >Sending to back doesn't change this. I don't get it yet, sorry to >say. > >>> Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:43:42 AM, you wrote: >>> >>>> up when I try to bring it in as "new control" - like it ends up only >>>> on the current card. >>> >>> Easiest way to do this is from the menubar: >>> Select the background group >>> Click Edit group (starts the edit process) >>> Import as control (imports the image into the background) >>> Click Edit group (ends the edit process) >>> -- >>> -Mark Wieder >>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net > >Did you resize the image? >Sounds like the image resizes to its orginal dimensions after >setting the filename or importing it (again). > >In the "Inspector" palette -> "Size & position" check "Lock size and >position" (lockloc) after you set the correct size of that image >object. >That should fix it, if my presumption is correct From bobs at twft.com Fri Jun 11 19:24:38 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:24:38 -0700 Subject: Imported images are very dark In-Reply-To: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C1273F0.7040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1273458C-2C7D-4455-8EDE-3A79B5043CD4@twft.com> I was having the same problem, only I was seeing the effect in iPhoto, and I was not using png's. I was using jpg's as Jacque suggested. I did find a way around it (sort of) but Photoshop still thinks it necessary to make changes to the color of a document. I sure wish there was a "leave my color the h*ll alone" setting in Photoshop preferences. Bob On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Simon Lord wrote: >> The images I import into my stacks are much darker than what I see in >> Photoshop. Is there a reason for this? I'm working in sRGB so don't >> see a reason for this discrepancy. > > If you are saving the images as .png, they have an embedded gamma setting. Try saving as .jpg instead and see if that helps. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri Jun 11 19:28:14 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:28:14 -0700 Subject: Is there hope for RevMobile on iPad after all??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apple's rejection of Rev-Mobile was more than just about interpreted code. Rev-Mobile would not have involved an interpretation layer. It would have been a full iApp indistinguishable from others, unless Apple fingerprinted all the apps compiled with Xcode. Bob On Jun 11, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Jim Lyons wrote: > John Gruber just linked to this: > > http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua > > pointing out a new change to that critical section of the Developer License Agreement for iThingies about built-in interpreters. Does this give us hope? > > Still lurking after all these years, > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 19:45:11 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:45:11 +1000 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: <4C1236BF.30308@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: That seems very accurate Andre. It put me about 1300 km away from home! That's about 800 miles for the imperialists among us :-) Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Richard, > > That link put me more than 300 KM away from where I really am... I am in the > City of Niter?i in the State of Rio de Janeiro... it put me in S?o Paulo > state in the city of S?o Paulo... tricky ips... > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > >> Almost as accurate as Google (maybe more so ), with nothing more than >> your IP address: >> >> From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 19:50:44 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:50:44 +1000 Subject: Scanning barcodes In-Reply-To: <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> References: <20100608064302.8F7E92882E1@mail.runrev.com> <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> Message-ID: > I wonder if anyone has got recommendations for a barcode scanner device that works with rev. > Ideally it would read both traditional barcodes and those newer 2d codes and work with Win PCs and Macs (Linux a plus). > Is anyone doing this already and can recommend a device and maybe some test code to peek at? I haven't done 2D barcodes, but traditional ones are easy. Just make sure the scanner can operate in keyboard-wedge mode and it will act like a keyboard. You will need to test it to see what terminating character it sends and then check for that and when it arrives, operate on the complete code. I have a barcode reader test stack on my web site . as well as a stack to generate Code 128 barcodes , which needs a Code128 font to display them correctly. -- Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 19:55:40 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:55:40 +1000 Subject: Save Dialog showing current name of file open In-Reply-To: <1276260859347-2251770.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1276260859347-2251770.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Try something like this: put the label of this stack into tSuggestedFileName put ".txt" after tSuggestedFileName ask file "Save data as:" with tSuggestedFileName put it into tSaveFileName if tSaveFileName is empty then exit to top end if put tDataToSave into URL ("file:" & tSaveFileName) if the result is not empty then answer error "There was a problem saving your data: " & the result end if Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:54 PM, charles61 wrote: > > I have been able to code the standard save dialog boxes that are in the Rev > Manual for my project. But I have not been able to code a save dialog box > that shows the name of a current window open where the user is asked if you > want to save it with that name. All that I can get is the save dialog with > Save As: untitled.txt. I looked through the Use/Rev archives and could not > find any mention of creating such a dialog! > > Since my app only permits one document open at a time, a Save Dialog giving > the name of the current document would be very appropriate as opposed to the > Standard Dialog of "Don't Save", "Cancel" and "Save". I greatly appreciate > if someone could show me how to create such a dialog! From coiin at verizon.net Fri Jun 11 20:38:46 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:38:46 -0400 Subject: Scanning barcodes In-Reply-To: References: <20100608064302.8F7E92882E1@mail.runrev.com> <3DCF2F84-440A-42B8-838F-9D7DB266FC21@derbrill.de> Message-ID: You can usually set the scanners to automatically add a return character after the numbers. That can make it easy to tell when the code has arrived. From slord at karbonized.com Fri Jun 11 21:52:55 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:52:55 -0400 Subject: Opaque stack resizer Message-ID: The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it. It doesn't match the background of my stack. Is there any way to change this value? I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy?it's downright sluggish. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jun 11 22:32:07 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:32:07 -0700 Subject: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system... Message-ID: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> ...if that system is Linux. Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from other OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows. I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04: 1. Make a Mac standalone 2. Zipped it 3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac 4. Unzipped it 5. Double-clicked it RESULT: Ran just fine. Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable bit, it carries over across platforms. I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76: Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system pushes a bit closer to getting one.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 02:19:30 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:19:30 +0300 Subject: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system... In-Reply-To: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> References: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C1326F2.5060900@gmail.com> On 06/12/2010 05:32 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > ...if that system is Linux. > > Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from > other OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows. > > I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04: > > 1. Make a Mac standalone > 2. Zipped it > 3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac > 4. Unzipped it > 5. Double-clicked it > > RESULT: Ran just fine. > > Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable > bit, it carries over across platforms. > > > I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76: > > > Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system > pushes a bit closer to getting one.... > Font detection ????? How are you going to be sure that your stack, made on Linux, is going to behave itself on Mac when: 1. There is no real parity with fonts. 2. On Linux RunRev cannot even detect user-installed fonts. Time and time again; whether moving standalones from Mac-Win, Win-Lin, Mac-Lin, and so on for all the possible combinations; the thing that has gone wonky has been the font display. I always take a stack over to the target platform and then go through, text field by text field checking the font display; and , often as not, muttering dark thoughts and resetting the font settings. From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Jun 12 02:23:32 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:23:32 -0700 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D261E36-23F1-4D8D-A039-9E7A77AA396A@tactilemedia.com> Hi Simon: I'm not sure if Shao Sean's Mac external offers something here, but there is no built-in property you can change. Your scripted solution will likely never be as snappy as the built-in behavior, but one thing you might try is enabling liveResizing on the stack. I've found this usually makes for faster updating when stack is resized. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Jun 11, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it. > It doesn't match the background of my stack. Is there any way to > change this value? I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack > by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy?it's > downright sluggish. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From justin.sloan at us.army.mil Sat Jun 12 03:53:03 2010 From: justin.sloan at us.army.mil (Justin Sloan) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:53:03 +0300 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied. With you help and some additional research I came up with a solution. Mac OS X bash shell only allows results from commands to be piped in to another command, including sudo, not plain text. The solution is to set a bash variable (pw=password) and echo the variable to pipe it into sudo (echo $pw | sudo -S command). In Rev you must set the variable and pipe it in on the same shell() call. Like this: shell("pw=" & tPassword & "; echo $pw | sudo -S command") Works like a charm, and it's an elegant solution without a lot of hashed code. I have not tested this on other Unix based systems but the command should work on any system with bash as the default shell. Happy coding! - Justin On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Don't think expect is the right way to do this - best would be to use an ssh > key (seem to remember that is how I used to do this back when i was on Linux > with Metacard), or else to write a bash script as a text file and then get > rev to execute that. > > On 11 June 2010 16:33, Andre Garzia wrote: > >> Justin, >> >> I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this >> kind of stuff is to use the "expect" tool. >> >> http://expect.sourceforge.net/ >> >> With expect you can automate many command line things. >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 12 05:08:40 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1276333720733-2252593.post@n4.nabble.com> Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? Maybe this is not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no password option, and its done. If you do this, the command can be limited to one with specific options. For instance, you can allow shutdown with the -h option, but not the -r option. No-one has to know the root password then and it is not written anyplace. Yes, you do have to know it to edit /etc/sudoers. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Shell-Command-with-Sudo-tp2251593p2252593.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 05:11:21 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:11:21 +0300 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: <1276333720733-2252593.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1276333720733-2252593.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4C134F39.3040000@gmail.com> On 06/12/2010 12:08 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? Maybe this is > not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers > to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no > password option, and its done. If you do this, the command can be limited > to one with specific options. For instance, you can allow shutdown with the > -h option, but not the -r option. No-one has to know the root password then > and it is not written anyplace. Yes, you do have to know it to edit > /etc/sudoers. > This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . . :) From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Jun 12 05:28:35 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:28:35 +0200 Subject: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system... In-Reply-To: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> References: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Richard, I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 12 jun 2010, at 04:32, Richard Gaskin wrote: > ...if that system is Linux. > > Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from > other OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows. > > I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04: > > 1. Make a Mac standalone > 2. Zipped it > 3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac > 4. Unzipped it > 5. Double-clicked it > > RESULT: Ran just fine. > > Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable > bit, it carries over across platforms. > > > I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76: > > > Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system > pushes a bit closer to getting one.... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 12 05:30:23 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:30:23 +0200 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? Message-ID: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I must have been lucky. If I zoom in a max, my flag puts me just in front of my computer, in the living room ! However, the flag doesn't tell me which way I am facing ......... :>) -Francis From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 05:31:49 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:31:49 +0300 Subject: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system... In-Reply-To: References: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C135405.9070504@gmail.com> On 06/12/2010 12:28 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Richard, > > I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never > thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win > XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a > Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which > circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 12 jun 2010, at 04:32, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> ...if that system is Linux. >> >> Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from >> other OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows. >> >> I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04: >> >> 1. Make a Mac standalone >> 2. Zipped it >> 3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac >> 4. Unzipped it >> 5. Double-clicked it >> >> RESULT: Ran just fine. >> >> Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable >> bit, it carries over across platforms. >> >> >> I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76: >> I'm not surprised: it looks fantastic. My only worry would be if something went wrong and I had to open the case. >> >> Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system >> pushes a bit closer to getting one.... >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Media Corporation > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 05:33:58 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:33:58 +0300 Subject: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C135486.20700@gmail.com> On 06/12/2010 12:30 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > I must have been lucky. If I zoom in a max, > my flag puts me just in front of my computer, > in the living room ! > > However, the flag doesn't tell me which way > I am facing ......... :>) > Considering Google seem to have been tapping into people's wireless internet, if you know where to look you will probably find a description of the type of toilet paper you prefer . . . :) From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 12 05:39:24 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:39:24 +0200 Subject: OT: Periodic Table of Typefaces Message-ID: <847E98AF-2C8E-40DE-890E-F082FE08F5CB@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, It's on my wall - love it ! I'm sure even Mendeleev would have loved it too ! But according to the rules, this means we can define certain characteristics of character fonts that have not yet been discovered ......... :>) -Francis From justin.sloan at us.army.mil Sat Jun 12 05:53:30 2010 From: justin.sloan at us.army.mil (Justin Sloan) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:53:30 +0300 Subject: Shell Command with Sudo In-Reply-To: <4C134F39.3040000@gmail.com> References: <1276333720733-2252593.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C134F39.3040000@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, That is a good suggestion if the application was not meant for mass deployment. Otherwise each machine's sudoers file would have to be edited accordingly, which would be a bummer for users that do not know how to do so. And that is likely the majority of Mac users. I would venture to say that the majority of Mac users never even opened the Terminal. The solution is elegant, I believe, in that it will work on any Mac OS X machine and takes advantage of Bash' s flexibility with Rev's shell structure. Happy coding! - Justin On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/12/2010 12:08 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: >> >> Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? ?Maybe this >> is >> not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit >> /etc/sudoers >> to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the >> no >> password option, and its done. ?If you do this, the command can be limited >> to one with specific options. ?For instance, you can allow shutdown with >> the >> -h option, but not the -r option. ?No-one has to know the root password >> then >> and it is not written anyplace. ?Yes, you do have to know it to edit >> /etc/sudoers. >> > > This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would > effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . . ?:) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Jun 12 07:35:53 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:35:53 +0200 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> Hi Simon, > The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it. > It doesn't match the background of my stack. Is there any way to > change this value? I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack > by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy?it's > downright sluggish. the resize widget is a button (if we mean the same thingie)! So you can just set its "icon" to empty and its "ink" to "noop" and that's it :-) If you want its icon to have the right color, then you will have to edit the image shown in the button or use your own image for this resizer. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From slord at karbonized.com Sat Jun 12 08:27:42 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:27:42 -0400 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> References: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Klaus, how would I target this resize widget? The closest thing I can find in the dictionary is resizeControl which doesn't appear to be what I thought it was. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Simon, > >> The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it. >> It doesn't match the background of my stack. ?Is there any way to >> change this value? ?I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack >> by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy?it's >> downright sluggish. > > the resize widget is a button (if we mean the same thingie)! > So you can just set its "icon" to empty and its "ink" to "noop" and that's it :-) > > If you want its icon to have the right color, then you will have to edit the image > shown in the button or use your own image for this resizer. > > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bonnmike at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 08:31:56 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:31:56 -0600 Subject: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system... In-Reply-To: <4C135405.9070504@gmail.com> References: <4C12F1A7.407@fourthworld.com> <4C135405.9070504@gmail.com> Message-ID: On the subject of creating *nix builds from windows I had a thought. How difficult would it be to setup a virtualbox linux setup with a simple script.. or even a rev app, that you feed a folder to, it will copy it in to the linux virtual, set the execution bit zip it up, and copy it back out into the windows file system? Or if one prefers, if hfsplus is installed, a script like the one here. http://confluence.concord.org/display/CCTR/Creating+MacOS+dmg+files+in+Linux could be used to create dmg files. If nothing else, its easy enough to set the execution bit by hand as well as zip everything up, so the only real requirement is to setup the linux virtualbox. DSL is tiny, resource efficient, and runs great. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/12/2010 12:28 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> >> Richard, >> >> I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never thought >> it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win XP, building a >> standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a Mac OS X Leopard >> machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which circumstances doesn't the >> standalone run exactly? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> >> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote >> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html >> Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share >> the clipboard of your computer over the local network. >> >> On 12 jun 2010, at 04:32, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> ...if that system is Linux. >>> >>> Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from other >>> OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows. >>> >>> I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04: >>> >>> 1. Make a Mac standalone >>> 2. Zipped it >>> 3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac >>> 4. Unzipped it >>> 5. Double-clicked it >>> >>> RESULT: Ran just fine. >>> >>> Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable bit, >>> it carries over across platforms. >>> >>> >>> I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76: >>> > > I'm not surprised: it looks fantastic. > > My only worry would be if something went wrong and I had to open the case. > >>> >>> Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system pushes >>> a bit closer to getting one.... >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World Media Corporation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Jun 12 08:33:28 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:33:28 +0200 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: References: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <124D962A-764C-408C-B978-54388F6EE48A@major.on-rev.com> Hi Simon, > Klaus, how would I target this resize widget? The closest thing I can > find in the dictionary is resizeControl which doesn't appear to be > what I thought it was. ??? Sorry, don't know what you mean? I "placed" that fully functional(!) widget from the "Object library" in my stack removed its icon and set the "ink" of that namely button to "noop" in the "Inspector". After that the (now invisible) button still worked. What am I missing? Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From slord at karbonized.com Sat Jun 12 09:01:53 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:01:53 -0400 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: <8D261E36-23F1-4D8D-A039-9E7A77AA396A@tactilemedia.com> References: <8D261E36-23F1-4D8D-A039-9E7A77AA396A@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: No it does, but I have to say that Shao's external is one of the most useful I've found so far. I wish there were more I could look at but I'm having a hard time finding them all. For instance, I'm DYING to have rounded corners on the bottom of my stack but the only way to do this is with the "Metal" texture which adds fat borders. Shao's external removes the borders but also the rounded corners. There's always *something* missing. :P On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi Simon: > > I'm not sure if Shao Sean's Mac external offers something here, but there is > no built-in property you can change. ?Your scripted solution will likely > never be as snappy as the built-in behavior, but one thing you might try is > enabling liveResizing on the stack. ?I've found this usually makes for > faster updating when stack is resized. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > On Jun 11, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Simon Lord wrote: > >> The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it. >> It doesn't match the background of my stack. ?Is there any way to >> change this value? ?I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack >> by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy?it's >> downright sluggish. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From slord at karbonized.com Sat Jun 12 09:02:27 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:02:27 -0400 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: <124D962A-764C-408C-B978-54388F6EE48A@major.on-rev.com> References: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> <124D962A-764C-408C-B978-54388F6EE48A@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Ok, I figured out what you're talking about. The Object Library is something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev until a few weeks ago). It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable. drag grc "drag-handle" set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack Thanks Klaus, at least I learned something. :) On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Simon, > >> Klaus, how would I target this resize widget? ?The closest thing I can >> find in the dictionary is resizeControl which doesn't appear to be >> what I thought it was. > > ??? Sorry, don't know what you mean? > > I "placed" that fully functional(!) widget from the "Object library" in my stack > removed its icon and set the "ink" of that namely button to "noop" in the > "Inspector". > > After that the (now invisible) button still worked. What am I missing? > > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 09:22:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:22:45 +0300 Subject: [OT] G4 goes West In-Reply-To: <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> References: <4C07EC73.7070304@gmail.com> <22B41860-F6C6-4B32-B1AF-CD7A9396FB01@twft.com> Message-ID: <4C138A25.7040800@gmail.com> Back from the dead (or very nearly): Well: I removed one of the hard disks in the G4 MDD from the cage that sits over the heat sink; allowing me space to install an 80 mm 12 v fan directly on top of the heat sink with those funny rubber doodahs to keep it in place: power drawn from the HD cage supply. Took out my antiquated SCSI PCI card (saved it for the day when I need what is saved on my ZIP disks) and inserted a USB2 card. Put 2 PCI slot cooler fans back to back in 2 of the 3 PCI slots between the Video card and the USB2 card; jacked them into the power supply for the other 2 hard disks. Unscrewed the internal speaker from the 'hole' at the top front of the MDD and taped it with electrical tape to the top of the DVD drive housing; left the plastic grid on the hole: now acts as an air intake. -------------------------------------------------------------------- However; spent yesterday trawling round all the computer shops in Plovdiv, Bulgaria in search of PCI slot fans: in 8 shops I was told: 1. They don't exist (one chap actually told me I was fantasizing). 2. Why would you need them anyway. I then printed out a picture of a PCI slot fan and went round all the shops again; the 'fantasy' man told me I was mad and had faked up the picture !!!!! Eventually saw a "hole in the wall" repair shop; went in and the chap there was on the phone to a warehouse in Sofia lickety-split; and I collected the 2 fans this morning. Went round to see the 'fantasy' man and waved the PCI slot cards under his nose . . . :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- And the moral of my story is: don't try to be clever with computers in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I took a few photos and will post them on my website in the next few days. AFTER I have restored all my software . . . :( --------------------------------------------------------------------- Average temperature from the sensors is now 20 degs Centigrade lower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Jun 12 09:23:40 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:23:40 +0200 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: References: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> <124D962A-764C-408C-B978-54388F6EE48A@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Hi Simon, > Ok, I figured out what you're talking about. The Object Library is > something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev > until a few weeks ago). > > It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate > (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable. > > drag grc "drag-handle" > set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this > stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the > bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack > > Thanks Klaus, at least I learned something. :) at least something... :-D Best from rainy germany Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From slord at karbonized.com Sat Jun 12 09:42:31 2010 From: slord at karbonized.com (Simon Lord) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:42:31 -0400 Subject: WDEF identifiers Message-ID: Has anyone ever successfully used a WDEF identifier? Is there a list of available identifiers somewhere or do we still have to manually look at the app resource and then set it in RunRev? From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Jun 12 10:29:37 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:29:37 -0700 Subject: Secure file delete Message-ID: I remember reading a suggestion on the list about creating a file with dummy information to overwrite an existing file. This way the original file will be zeroed out so there is nothing to undelete. Unfortunately I can't find the email and was hoping that someone could clarify how to do this. The reason for this is the next version of InfoWallet will support encrypted and password protected attachments but for someone to view an attachment it will have to be saved to disk unprotected and then launched. I want to securely delete the temporarily saved unprotected file. Thanks, Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat Jun 12 10:56:31 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:56:31 +0200 Subject: Secure file delete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09994BC6-684A-479C-9DF3-D4CD3A0203A4@ezpzapps.com> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I remember reading a suggestion on the list about creating a file with dummy information to overwrite an existing file. This way the original file will be zeroed out so there is nothing to undelete. > > Unfortunately I can't find the email and was hoping that someone could clarify how to do this. > > The reason for this is the next version of InfoWallet will support encrypted and password protected attachments but for someone to view an attachment it will have to be saved to disk unprotected and then launched. I want to securely delete the temporarily saved unprotected file. Might have been me. My client wanted me to take steps to keep people from saving small video files that were used by the app, make it very difficult for users to play them outside the app. I placed all the videos into user properties - then to view the video, a temp file was made and that file used the data from the user property to make the video - after playing the video I would delete the file. I noticed that on rare occasions the file would appear in the trash on a reboot, inside a folder (perhaps the folder was named "saved" or "rescued" items?). So, I changed my script so that before I deleted the file I would write over the file with a simple single phrase, thus destroying the video and changing it to a simple text file. sims From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Jun 12 11:28:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:28:14 -0500 Subject: Opaque stack resizer In-Reply-To: References: <3A176D15-7F64-4FAB-AC0A-34617B77D2F2@major.on-rev.com> <124D962A-764C-408C-B978-54388F6EE48A@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <4C13A78E.5060108@hyperactivesw.com> Simon Lord wrote: > Ok, I figured out what you're talking about. The Object Library is > something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev > until a few weeks ago). > > It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate > (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable. > > drag grc "drag-handle" > set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this > stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the > bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send in