From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan  1 02:22:14 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:22:14 +0000
Subject: Does Lock Moves Work on XP?
In-Reply-To: <769302.39066.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <4B3D734B.5070003@hyperactivesw.com><769302.39066.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <96121933-1262330509-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-428757859-@bda046.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think you need to add "without waiting" to the move command.



Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:58:04 
To: How to use Revolution<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Does Lock Moves Work on XP?

Can't get lock moves to work on XP? Is it me?

lock moves
move grc 1 to 300,300 in 2 secs
move grc 3 to 300,300 in 2 secs
unlock moves

-- also tried 
set the lockmoves to true
move --
move --
set the lockmoves to false

grc 1 and grc 3 don't move together
they move separately, but more quickly than they should




      
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 06:39:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:39:43 +0000
Subject: RunRev 4 on Mac OS 10.3
In-Reply-To: <C4CEF1FC-34CE-4B7F-B9E4-CE3A154B691F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4B2DE146.4080505@gmail.com>
	<C4CEF1FC-34CE-4B7F-B9E4-CE3A154B691F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001010339k77f2cb22w32d18007d5a0b6b4@mail.gmail.com>

Well, here I am in "Merry England" - or, to put it another way, Smug
England; the
country that is creeping towards a police state, and where everybody is
convinced
the place is better than anywhere else. Nice to see Mum and Dad, but will be
jolly
glad to go back to Bulgaria; at least the Bulgarians, despite all the really
obvious
problems with their country don't have CCTV cameras on every corner,
draconian
regulations about everything, and think they are the bee's knees.

Somebody eve said "well, at least we still have a free press." Har, har,
har.

So, to RunRev:

I am typing this on an original, tray-loading iMac:

 Machine Model:    iMac
  CPU Type:    PowerPC 750  (2.2)
  Number Of CPUs:    1
  CPU Speed:    233 MHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):    512 KB
  Memory:    160 MB
  Bus Speed:    67 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:    1.3.f2

running Mac OS X 10.3.9

glacially slow (as I will be taking possession of this machine in the summer
I will run the Crucial scanner on it and pop it up to its max of 512 RAM
then),
but it runs RunRev Studio 4 without any hitches at all. The only real snags
being the
lack of a firewire port (backups run very slowly onto an external HD via
USB) and
the max screen res of 1024 x 768.

Auto-detected Dad's Ethernet-Broadband modem!

very nice, compact little machine.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> What problems are you having, Richmond? Here, the 3.5 updater crashes on
> 10.3 :-(
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> Full PayPal integration and automation in web site or
> (Revolution/SuperCard/other) software. Contact me for a quote before 1 Jan
> 2010 and we'll charge (reduced) 2009 prices.
> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
>
> Op 20 dec 2009, om 09:33 heeft Richmond Mathewson het volgende geschreven:
>
>
>  Has anybody got RunRev 4 running on Mac OS 10.3 (Panther)?
>>
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
>>
>
>
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From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Fri Jan  1 07:00:12 2010
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:00:12 +0000
Subject: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows
In-Reply-To: <20091229154911.DD7442883D0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20091229154911.DD7442883D0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5849297B-BCC2-401C-90AC-2C21B088A514@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Firstly, Happy New Year.

It has started well for me because with the help of the list I have solved the above.  Last problem of 2009, and first solution of 2010!

I tried pretty much all the suggestions.  (I skipped the suggestion of saving to the standalone folder, because the Windows virtualisation dragon would eat the data.)

I relabelled the path to avoid non vanilla characters...

I rescripted to save by changing the defaultfolder.

In fact, I rescripted several times to use different methods.  All worked in OS X, and none worked in Windows.

As far as I can make out, the problem is something to do with representing the path as a variable.  If the path was in quotes, it worked OK both as a script and in the message box.  If defined as a variable, it didn't work.  The solution was simply to refer directly to the line in the field containing the full path.  So, 

 set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to "binfile:" & the last line of field "snapshots"

worked, but ......

put the last line of field "snapshots" into k
set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to "binfile:" & k

...... didn't.

The only thing I could think of is that on Win a character in the URL which is benign on the Mac is interpreted as part of the address, but only when copied into a variable, not when read directly from the field.  Anyhoo.  Fixed now.

Now to get going with ScreenSteps, and make a manual.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

David Glasgow





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  1 08:31:13 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:31:13 +0000
Subject: Happy New Year
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001010531j22374bc5k481aaaca2fc1620e@mail.gmail.com>

Happy New year to all you lovely list people,

  and may the forthcoming decade (should that be the "teenies"?) be truly
Revolutionary for each and every one of you!

David


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 08:36:18 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:36:18 -0800
Subject: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows
In-Reply-To: <5849297B-BCC2-401C-90AC-2C21B088A514@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20091229154911.DD7442883D0@mail.runrev.com>
	<5849297B-BCC2-401C-90AC-2C21B088A514@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <55592511-B773-4E33-9C1A-113CA209BD15@yahoo.com>

Of course this should make no difference...
try using parens
set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to ("binfile:" & k)
answer ("binfile:" & k)


Of course, Win32 may like "\" instead of "/" in path names so try

replace "/" with "\" in k
set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to "binfile:" & k
answer ("binfile:" & k)

On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:00 AM, David Glasgow wrote:

> put the last line of field "snapshots" into k
> set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to "binfile:" & k
>
> ...... didn't.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From david.bovill at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 09:10:23 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:10:23 +0000
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>

2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>

>   --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>   --// javascript honors both quote types
>
>   --build the Rev string without ANY ampersands
>   --use single, not double quotes
>

I use single quote - but run into some problems so got lazy and replaced
then at the end with "replace "'" with quote. Not sure what situations cause
the problems - is it OK to use single quotes in Rev htmlText? Not sure. But
thanks for the tip

NB - I do think that RunRev should add syntax to the language to make html
quoting very easy to use for both iRev scripts We need an elegant solution
to quoting html - other languages are easier to use and read with regard to
html quoting! using our own custom functions does not make read/writeability
that much easier, and makes it harder to share scripts.

My personal choice would be to have an in-script syntax for putting raw text
into a variable. The idea would be that you could type the text inside some
sort of markup, in a way in which you could write anything, and then assign
it to a variable. That way you could just copy html or whatever and paste it
into the script editor - easy and readable.

While you can do this with custom properties - and the IDE could be changed
to make it easier to relate values in custom properties to the scripts by
showing both in the same window - I'd prefer the ability to do this all in a
script. This is also important for iRev server side scripts, where custom
properties are less easy to use.

My suggestion is to extend the syntax for local variables and constants.
Currently we have:

local someHtml = "<b> hello world </>"
>

How about something like:

local someHtml = {
>     <b> hello world </>
> }
>


This would then allow doing things like:

local someHtml = {
> It is <b>traditional</> to say "Happy New Year" at this time of year, & why
> not?
>
> You could 'single quote' or "double quote" etc
> }
>

Alternatives could be to use quotes as they are (but allow a special
exception for multiple lines):

local someHtml = "
> <b> hello world </>
> "
>

or to use C style quotes:

local someHtml = /*
> <b> hello world </>
> */
>

If you like this suggestion maybe vote for it / improve it here -
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8517

NB - at the same time perhaps as implementing this RunRev could take the
opportunity to enhance local/constant functionality by allowing a script to
assign values to locals (and constants?) as the value of an expression:

local someHtml = the htmltext of fld 1
> local someValue = fetchSomething("new")
>


From zarpairacunda at yahoo.de  Fri Jan  1 10:28:49 2010
From: zarpairacunda at yahoo.de (Zarpa Iracunda)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:28:49 +0100
Subject: Strange behaviour of arrowkey handler
Message-ID: <04972C65-496F-4FAC-8062-8EBD40847F38@yahoo.de>

Hi all,

happy new year to all of you!

My new year started with some confusion, which I am sure one of you can help me with.

I have a data grid group, which should do something when the user changes the selected line using an arrow key. I have put the following handler into the group script:

on arrowKey tkey
   local tdata
   local mykey
   put tkey into mykey
   answer "the key was " & mykey with "Ok!" titled "Arrow Key"
   if ( ( mykey is "down" ) or ( mykey is "up"  ) ) then
      put the dgdata[the dgline of group "procdg"] of group "procdg" into tdata
      answer tdata["id"] with "Ok!" titled "selected process"
   end if
   pass arrowKey
end arrowKey

It does throw the first answer, displaying the correct key value. Unfortunately, it does not evaluate the if clause. The second "answer" is never fired.

Can anybody point me into the direction of the mistake I made?

Many thanx!

Zarpa

From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 10:29:02 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:29:02 -0800
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5C7FF6E-2C59-41A4-9C95-2F3207AF5C94@yahoo.com>

Imagine in my right hand I hold a snowball, and off to my left is an  
actuarial expert with a very powerful calculator that will determine  
the odds of it reaching the target of multi-line and C-style code in  
the xTalk IDE.  I hurl the snowball, the LED display flickers and the  
answer is 7734.
Oh wait, it is the old calculator trick of showing the answer upside  
down.

Could not resist the joke that made the rounds in the late 1960's when  
I was in college.

Anyway, the archives have the discussion of the anomaly of being able  
to set a variable using an equal sign instead of 'put'.
I think this only occurs when declaring a local or constant with a  
value.
To me the origins are uncertain.

Consider that IREV allows the following 3-line script to work by  
reading each line literally...

<html>
It is <b>traditional</b> to say "Happy New Year" at this time of year,  
& why
</html>


The real power of the web servers is in javascript, jquery, and php...  
so now where do we stop on the slippery slope of editing features that  
appeal to web programmers?

As you can tell, I am fine with Rev editor conventions since I use the  
chunking tools to build the many constructs I need for web server  
programming.

As Trevor did many years ago, someone may build a lib stack that does  
the same thing for HTML as he did for SQL.
Maybe the team is working on this already.

Happy New Year

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:10 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> 2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>
>>  --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>>  --// javascript honors both quote types
>>
>>  --build the Rev string without ANY ampersands
>>  --use single, not double quotes
>>
>
> I use single quote - but run into some problems so got lazy and  
> replaced
> then at the end with "replace "'" with quote. Not sure what  
> situations cause
> the problems - is it OK to use single quotes in Rev htmlText? Not  
> sure. But
> thanks for the tip
>
> NB - I do think that RunRev should add syntax to the language to  
> make html
> quoting very easy to use for both iRev scripts We need an elegant  
> solution
> to quoting html - other languages are easier to use and read with  
> regard to
> html quoting! using our own custom functions does not make read/ 
> writeability
> that much easier, and makes it harder to share scripts.
>
> My personal choice would be to have an in-script syntax for putting  
> raw text
> into a variable. The idea would be that you could type the text  
> inside some
> sort of markup, in a way in which you could write anything, and then  
> assign
> it to a variable. That way you could just copy html or whatever and  
> paste it
> into the script editor - easy and readable.
>
> While you can do this with custom properties - and the IDE could be  
> changed
> to make it easier to relate values in custom properties to the  
> scripts by
> showing both in the same window - I'd prefer the ability to do this  
> all in a
> script. This is also important for iRev server side scripts, where  
> custom
> properties are less easy to use.
>
> My suggestion is to extend the syntax for local variables and  
> constants.
> Currently we have:
>
> local someHtml = "<b> hello world </>"
>>
>
> How about something like:
>
> local someHtml = {
>>    <b> hello world </>
>> }
>>
>
>
> This would then allow doing things like:
>
> local someHtml = {
>> It is <b>traditional</> to say "Happy New Year" at this time of  
>> year, & why
>> not?
>>
>> You could 'single quote' or "double quote" etc
>> }
>>
>
> Alternatives could be to use quotes as they are (but allow a special
> exception for multiple lines):
>
> local someHtml = "
>> <b> hello world </>
>> "
>>
>
> or to use C style quotes:
>
> local someHtml = /*
>> <b> hello world </>
>> */
>>
>
> If you like this suggestion maybe vote for it / improve it here -
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8517
>
> NB - at the same time perhaps as implementing this RunRev could take  
> the
> opportunity to enhance local/constant functionality by allowing a  
> script to
> assign values to locals (and constants?) as the value of an  
> expression:
>
> local someHtml = the htmltext of fld 1
>> local someValue = fetchSomething("new")





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  1 10:32:10 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:32:10 -0500
Subject: Context menu for Header of DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <001501ca89b8$0116f530$0138a8c0@stuart>
References: <001501ca89b8$0116f530$0138a8c0@stuart>
Message-ID: <8265DD53-DC41-425A-A09C-C7D0F6FACA13@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> I followed your lessons with success. But now the mouseDown handler
> overrides any normal behavior of the DataGrid.
>
> That is, resizing of columns no longer works. Clicking on a column  
> header no
> longer sorts a column.
>
> So it seems a "else - end if" section of script is needed to detect  
> left
> mouse button, to complete normal behavior actions.
>
> Could you please amend the lesson to correct the missing behaviors?

I forgot to add a call to dgMouseDown to the mouseDown handler. I've  
updated the code in the lesson.

<http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/8411-How-Do-I-Display-a-Contextual-Menu-When-the-User-Clicks-on-a-Column-Header- 
 >

For more information about dgMouseDown see this lesson:

<http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7316-How-Do-I-Add-a-mouseDown-Event-To-The-Data-Grid-Without-Breaking-It- 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Jan  1 11:40:34 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:40:34 -0600
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - make bookmarks in handler list with
	handler tags
Message-ID: <0A55AAE1-E83A-4069-8067-BCCB5F4FB1EB@me.com>

Dear tRev users and watchers,

With our new handler tags feature, you can turn short comments within  
your code into bookmarks within your handler list. We have a short  
video showing how to make and use handler tags:

    http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis

Handler Tags!
- now you can tag your handlers by typing handler comments like this:  
--> my tag
- place these special tag comments inside the handler, not outside  
with folder comments
- handler tags show up in the handler list indented beneath their  
parent handler
- these tags work like bookmarks within the handlers list
- handlers tags are never sorted in the handler list
- click a handler's tag in handler list and navigate quickly to a  
specific area within a large handler
- handler tags themselves cannot be dragged, but are dragged when  
parent handler is dragged
- using these tags beats folding control structures, IMHO

Fixes:
- leading spaces at top of handler are now removed when handler is  
formatted
- removing these spaces making make the handler appear properly in the  
handler list
- dropping a handler on its home line no longer leaves orange  
insertion bar
- a home line drop will no longer select the first line of the script  
when it should not
- after dragging and dropping text within editor's code field, the tab  
is now marked dirty

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Want to edit something? We can help with tText!
http://reveditor.com/purchase-ttext






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  1 11:52:38 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:52:38 -0600
Subject: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows
In-Reply-To: <55592511-B773-4E33-9C1A-113CA209BD15@yahoo.com>
References: <20091229154911.DD7442883D0@mail.runrev.com>	<5849297B-BCC2-401C-90AC-2C21B088A514@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<55592511-B773-4E33-9C1A-113CA209BD15@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B3E2856.5090204@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Of course this should make no difference...
> try using parens
> set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to ("binfile:" & k)
> answer ("binfile:" & k)

I was about the suggest the same thing. It does make a difference. The 
parentheses are required to force evaluation.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Fri Jan  1 12:55:34 2010
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:55:34 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - make bookmarks in handler list with
	handler tags
In-Reply-To: <0A55AAE1-E83A-4069-8067-BCCB5F4FB1EB@me.com>
References: <0A55AAE1-E83A-4069-8067-BCCB5F4FB1EB@me.com>
Message-ID: <EE333CF4-6C76-4D76-9761-7E6FBDC0F885@rpsystems.net>


On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> With our new handler tags feature, you can turn short comments  
> within your code into bookmarks within your handler list. We have a  
> short video showing how to make and use handler tags:

Brilliant. Jerry, this one kicks @ss.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Jan  1 13:05:57 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:05:57 -0600
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - make bookmarks in handler list with
	handler tags
In-Reply-To: <EE333CF4-6C76-4D76-9761-7E6FBDC0F885@rpsystems.net>
References: <0A55AAE1-E83A-4069-8067-BCCB5F4FB1EB@me.com>
	<EE333CF4-6C76-4D76-9761-7E6FBDC0F885@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <FA560CC8-19C7-4920-BD39-BBE900379F44@me.com>

Thanks, Troy!

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis

On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> With our new handler tags feature, you can turn short comments  
>> within your code into bookmarks within your handler list. We have a  
>> short video showing how to make and use handler tags:
>
> Brilliant. Jerry, this one kicks @ss.
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  1 14:45:57 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:45:57 +0000
Subject: on deleteGroup
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>

Just noticed that the deleteGroup message is not sent when the group is
nested - anyone got an idea how to get around this?

Say you have a group that you want to do some tidying up if a user deletes
it - and so you put a handler like this in the group itself:

on deleteGroup
>    beep
>    doSomeTidying
>    pass deleteGroup
> end deleteGroup
>

Which works fine if it is a toplevel group - but when this group is inside
another group deleting the toplevel group triggers a deleteGroup message
which travels up the hierarchy to the card - but no deleteGroup messages are
sent from the inner groups - this means you can't attach appropriate
behaviors to the groups.

Wandering if anyone has looked at this - I can't think how to do it as
deleteGroup is sent after deletion so even a frontscript would not be able
to tell what was inside a deleted group. Even the new closeControl message
does not seem to be sent in these circumstances?


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:31:06 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:31:06 +0100
Subject: Opening a doc in a cd or fld
In-Reply-To: <C7624F3B.2226%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <B676381D-38D9-4043-B99A-3A72C2E304AC@inria.fr>
	<C7624F3B.2226%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001011331r3572d09fjcf629e4a235f9927@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hershel,

Not tried yet, but it could be possible to open a pdf directly on a
Rev stack by using the revBrowser external.
The revBrowser external allow you to open a browser on a stack. Since
it is possible to open a pdf in a common browser, no reason that the
revBrowser could not do same.

For .doc and .xls it depends if you're on mac or windows. On windows
it maybe possible to open those formats in a browser by using ActiveX
controls.


-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)

2009/12/31 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>:
> Thanks, this opens it up In it own window, my question if I could open in a
> rev stack?
> Hershel


From david at architex.tv  Fri Jan  1 16:40:05 2010
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:40:05 +0000
Subject: Multipage icons
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001011340j112a9d1fx1f1137201e7f0384@mail.gmail.com>

I'm used to creating icons with a separate icon for each image file. I've
noticed that there are a couple of other techniques in use:

   1. multi-page icons
   2. multiple icons in one image

I'm using some icons in a rev project of type 2. I think they are usually
formatted by scrolling and clipping the overall image using CSS - and i
guess I could do the same with an image in a group? Does anyone have any
advice on how to work together with a graphic designer who does strange
things to their icons :)


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jan  1 19:18:58 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:18:58 +0000
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>

David Bovill wrote:
> 2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>   --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>   
Thanks Jim !! How did I get to this age in my life without realizing that !?
> NB - I do think that RunRev should add syntax to the language to make html
> quoting very easy to use for both iRev scripts We need an elegant solution
> to quoting html - other languages are easier to use and read with regard to
> html quoting! using our own custom functions does not make read/writeability
> that much easier, and makes it harder to share scripts.
>   
My first choice would be to allow either single or double quotes to 
delimit strings - then I could put the other kind within it without any 
problems (yep, idea borrowed from Python, amongst others).

So we could go one step further and also borrow from Python a neat 
method of allowing multi-line strings. Instead of using *one* quote at 
start+end of the string, you use *three* of them (which is unambiguous 
with any existing valid code, afaict).  So in revTalk terms, I could do

put 'I said "This way!"' into tVar

put "it's mine" into tVar

put """
this is a long
multi line string.
I'd say "It's easy to embed quotes within it !!"
""" into tVar

Note the starting triple-quote has to be last item on line, and the 
closing triple-quote has to be first item on its line - and the 
first/last CR within the text are not part of the resulting string.
> My suggestion is to extend the syntax for local variables and constants.
> Currently we have:
>
>   
Hmmm :-(    I'd much rather find a syntax that works equally for local, 
constants and plain old expressions - see above.

-- Alex.


From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Fri Jan  1 20:13:12 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:13:12 -0800
Subject: Compact SQLite database
In-Reply-To: <4B3B9747.6010400@whitelotus.on-rev.com>
References: <fc.009867af001c922e009867af001c922e.1c9230@CreaTECHSol.com> <,>
	<4B3B9747.6010400@whitelotus.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001c9666009867af001c922e.1c9668@CreaTECHSol.com>

Christian Langers <chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com> on December 30, 2009 at
10:09 AM -0800 wrote:
>try somthing like this (if needed) :
>
>global gConID
>put "VACUUM" into tSQL
>get revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL)

Worked like a charm.  Thank you.
Happy New Year to all.


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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 21:03:57 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:03:57 -0800
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
In-Reply-To: <4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
References: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E08ACE4F-4D76-49D3-A9B5-71C51250D4A9@yahoo.com>

My plan is to use irev to call various working scripts that are run in  
Rev cgi, rather than try to build functions above working code in a  
single irev script.
The way I handle multiline storage of languages like AppleScript,  
Html, Php is the following:

A non-irev solution:
The only way I can think of at the moment to get a multiline text  
script to work in Rev so that it can be simply typed verbatim and then  
used in variables, then be shared between cards, stacks, and other Rev  
users, etc. is to do the following:


### stack script --------------------

put line 2 to -2 of the script of btn textSnip01 into multiLineVerbatim
put line 2 to -2 of the script of btn htmlSnip02 into multiLineHtml
--and you can copy and paste buttons between cards/stacks

-- if a button is NOT in a group, its ID is different on each card
-- if a button is in a group, it is the same as setting a field to  
'sharing' thus the same script is available to all cards that use that  
group


### button textSnip01 script ###
/*  --this allows compiling without errors
this is a long
multi line string.
I'd say "It's easy to embed quotes within it !!"
*/

### button htmlSnip02 script ###
/*
<b>Major Headline</b>
<p> More info on the next page if you click very fast.<br>
If not, there will be less info.<br>
<i>The clock is ticking...</i>
</p>
*/

### button appleScriptSnip03 script ###
/*
set thisUrl to "http://www.mapquest.com/maps/89117/90209/"
tell application "Safari"
	make new document
	set the URL of document 1 to thisUrl
	delay 5
	tell window 1
		set prevName to the name of current tab
		make new tab
		set current tab to last tab
	end tell
	set the URL of document 1 to thisUrl
	delay 5
	set listt to every document
	--MapQuest: Driving Directions & Business Directory
	return listt
end tell
*/
####################
One caution:  watch for tabs and high-ascii chars that may get pasted  
from other code editors

Hope this gives you a few ideas to get up and running before the  
script editor features are added.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>> 2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>>  --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>>
> Thanks Jim !! How did I get to this age in my life without realizing  
> that !?
>> NB - I do think that RunRev should add syntax to the language to  
>> make html
>> quoting very easy to use for both iRev scripts We need an elegant  
>> solution
>> to quoting html - other languages are easier to use and read with  
>> regard to
>> html quoting! using our own custom functions does not make read/ 
>> writeability
>> that much easier, and makes it harder to share scripts.
>>
> My first choice would be to allow either single or double quotes to  
> delimit strings - then I could put the other kind within it without  
> any problems (yep, idea borrowed from Python, amongst others).
>
> So we could go one step further and also borrow from Python a neat  
> method of allowing multi-line strings. Instead of using *one* quote  
> at start+end of the string, you use *three* of them (which is  
> unambiguous with any existing valid code, afaict).  So in revTalk  
> terms, I could do
>
> put 'I said "This way!"' into tVar
>
> put "it's mine" into tVar
>
> put """
> this is a long
> multi line string.
> I'd say "It's easy to embed quotes within it !!"
> """ into tVar
>
> Note the starting triple-quote has to be last item on line, and the  
> closing triple-quote has to be first item on its line - and the  
> first/last CR within the text are not part of the resulting string.
>> My suggestion is to extend the syntax for local variables and  
>> constants.
>> Currently we have:
>>
>>
> Hmmm :-(    I'd much rather find a syntax that works equally for  
> local, constants and plain old expressions - see above.
>
> -- Alex.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 21:12:43 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:12:43 -0800
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
In-Reply-To: <4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
References: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <78F02CED-861C-4053-8776-670AF02769B9@yahoo.com>

You may not realize that the Rev Script Editor uses html tags to  
colorize the script lines..  but it would be an interesting a  
challenge for the design team to use html tags to display html tags.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>> 2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>>  --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>>
> Thanks Jim !! How did I get to this age in my life without realizing  
> that !?
>> NB - I do think that RunRev should add syntax to the language to  
>> make html
>> quoting very easy to use for both iRev scripts We need an elegant  
>> solution
>> to quoting html - other languages are easier to use and read with  
>> regard to
>> html quoting! using our own custom functions does not make read/ 
>> writeability
>> that much easier, and makes it harder to share scripts.
>>
> My first choice would be to allow either single or double quotes to  
> delimit strings - then I could put the other kind within it without  
> any problems (yep, idea borrowed from Python, amongst others).
>
> So we could go one step further and also borrow from Python a neat  
> method of allowing multi-line strings. Instead of using *one* quote  
> at start+end of the string, you use *three* of them (which is  
> unambiguous with any existing valid code, afaict).  So in revTalk  
> terms, I could do
>
> put 'I said "This way!"' into tVar
>
> put "it's mine" into tVar
>
> put """
> this is a long
> multi line string.
> I'd say "It's easy to embed quotes within it !!"
> """ into tVar
>
> Note the starting triple-quote has to be last item on line, and the  
> closing triple-quote has to be first item on its line - and the  
> first/last CR within the text are not part of the resulting string.
>> My suggestion is to extend the syntax for local variables and  
>> constants.
>> Currently we have:
>>
>>
> Hmmm :-(    I'd much rather find a syntax that works equally for  
> local, constants and plain old expressions - see above.
>
> -- Alex.






From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 04:46:20 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:46:20 +0000
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
In-Reply-To: <4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
References: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001020146v26ff44b2hce239f2f48719b2e@mail.gmail.com>

Yes! Much better syntax - thanks Alex, Jim and Python! Alex why not vote
for:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8517

or create a new one?

2010/1/2 Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>

> David Bovill wrote:
>
>> 2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>>  --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>>
>>
> Thanks Jim !! How did I get to this age in my life without realizing that
> !?
>
>  NB - I do think that RunRev should add syntax to the language to make html
>> quoting very easy to use for both iRev scripts We need an elegant solution
>> to quoting html - other languages are easier to use and read with regard
>> to
>> html quoting! using our own custom functions does not make
>> read/writeability
>> that much easier, and makes it harder to share scripts.
>>
>>
> My first choice would be to allow either single or double quotes to delimit
> strings - then I could put the other kind within it without any problems
> (yep, idea borrowed from Python, amongst others).
>
> So we could go one step further and also borrow from Python a neat method
> of allowing multi-line strings. Instead of using *one* quote at start+end of
> the string, you use *three* of them (which is unambiguous with any existing
> valid code, afaict).  So in revTalk terms, I could do
>
> put 'I said "This way!"' into tVar
>
> put "it's mine" into tVar
>
> put """
> this is a long
> multi line string.
> I'd say "It's easy to embed quotes within it !!"
> """ into tVar
>
> Note the starting triple-quote has to be last item on line, and the closing
> triple-quote has to be first item on its line - and the first/last CR within
> the text are not part of the resulting string.
>
>  My suggestion is to extend the syntax for local variables and constants.
>> Currently we have:
>>
>>
>>
> Hmmm :-(    I'd much rather find a syntax that works equally for local,
> constants and plain old expressions - see above.
>
> -- Alex.
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From david at architex.tv  Sat Jan  2 06:00:34 2010
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:00:34 +0000
Subject: Finding strings in script editor
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001020300g10e988f8rf861b52473ffeb59@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone got any tips and advice on how to use the IDE's find dialogue to find
exact strings? I'm looking for the string:

Global | View | Script | Menu
>

It seems the find matches each and every word anywhere in the script -
quoting the string does not work and I don't seem to be able to get anywhere
with the regular expressions? Any tips?


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 07:17:06 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:17:06 +0000
Subject: Finding strings in script editor
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001020300g10e988f8rf861b52473ffeb59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001020300g10e988f8rf861b52473ffeb59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001020417i37afabdqede93316f5978a97@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

With "use regular expressions" selected in the "Find Options"
sub-section of the Find dialog, I could find this string:

Global | View | Script | Menu

using this:

Global \| View \| Script \| Menu

I wasn't sure if you wanted to find the ">" as well.  If so, you can
use regex for that too.

Or maybe you got this far already, and I'm telling you nothing new :-)

Bernard

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> Anyone got any tips and advice on how to use the IDE's find dialogue to find
> exact strings? I'm looking for the string:
>
> Global | View | Script | Menu
>>
>
> It seems the find matches each and every word anywhere in the script -
> quoting the string does not work and I don't seem to be able to get anywhere
> with the regular expressions? Any tips?


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 08:54:13 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:54:13 +0000
Subject: Finding strings in script editor
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001020417i37afabdqede93316f5978a97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001020300g10e988f8rf861b52473ffeb59@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001020417i37afabdqede93316f5978a97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001020554j5baa48c3g5affe7c2f5202e71@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bernard!

2010/1/2 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> Hi David,
>
> With "use regular expressions" selected in the "Find Options"
> sub-section of the Find dialog, I could find this string:
>
> Global | View | Script | Menu
>
> using this:
>
> Global \| View \| Script \| Menu
>
> I wasn't sure if you wanted to find the ">" as well.  If so, you can
> use regex for that too.
>
> Or maybe you got this far already, and I'm telling you nothing new :-)
>
> Bernard
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> > Anyone got any tips and advice on how to use the IDE's find dialogue to
> find
> > exact strings? I'm looking for the string:
> >
> > Global | View | Script | Menu
> >>
> >
> > It seems the find matches each and every word anywhere in the script -
> > quoting the string does not work and I don't seem to be able to get
> anywhere
> > with the regular expressions? Any tips?
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan  2 08:59:04 2010
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:59:04 +0100
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
Message-ID: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>

Hello,

I've a group, inside that grp, i've an other grp with scrollbar, and inside this group i've an other group (!) where objects need to be active with a mouseenter.
It's not working (it's work if there is only the last group).

Only script's object have the mouseenter handler.

What i miss ?

Thanks and happy New Year !

From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 09:14:14 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:14:14 +0000
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>

You are not missing anything - it is just that groups themselves do not
trigger mouseEnter / leave (even when opaque - which is a pity) - AFAIK the
only way around that is to place some suitable control (I usually use a
graphic) as a "background" to the group - set the margins of the group to 0
- and then you messages will get sent first to the graphic then up the
hierarchy to the groups.

2010/1/2 Ludovic Th?bault <ludovic.thebault at laposte.net>

> Hello,
>
> I've a group, inside that grp, i've an other grp with scrollbar, and inside
> this group i've an other group (!) where objects need to be active with a
> mouseenter.
> It's not working (it's work if there is only the last group).
>
> Only script's object have the mouseenter handler.
>
> What i miss ?
>
> Thanks and happy New Year !_______________________________________________
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jan  2 10:24:20 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:24:20 -0500
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
	<c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:14 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> You are not missing anything - it is just that groups themselves do  
> not
> trigger mouseEnter / leave (even when opaque - which is a pity)

And this is a major shortcoming in the engine. Not having events sent  
to groups makes some custom controls very difficult to code properly.

I found a report in RQCC. The report is filed as a bug though it  
should probably be a feature request. People affected by this may want  
to take a look and add any comments/votes they deem necessary.

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7077>

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 11:32:04 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:32:04 +0000
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
	<c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001020832v443b3120k14812be75449af97@mail.gmail.com>

Trevor, shortly after he entered that bug report Andreas gave up on
Revolution.  So it may be worth re-entering this item as an
enhancement request rather than a bug.  Otherwise, it will remain a
bug report.

If you decide to do this, please let me know and I'll move my old
votes to the new report.  It is a pity more people don't see the
significance of 7077.

Bernard.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> And this is a major shortcoming in the engine. Not having events sent to
> groups makes some custom controls very difficult to code properly.
>
> I found a report in RQCC. The report is filed as a bug though it should
> probably be a feature request. People affected by this may want to take a
> look and add any comments/votes they deem necessary.
>
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7077>


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat Jan  2 12:15:56 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:15:56 -0800
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001020832v443b3120k14812be75449af97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
	<c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001020832v443b3120k14812be75449af97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4B47E5F-EAE0-4E4D-BA6A-5379259DF985@cruzio.com>


On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> 
> If you decide to do this, please let me know and I'll move my old
> votes to the new report.  It is a pity more people don't see the
> significance of 7077.

Or even the reality of it.  The report is classified "unconfirmed."


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 12:25:52 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:25:52 +0000
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
	<c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001020925l23293994g2143df27bf6e4c2c@mail.gmail.com>

Added comments:

I'd add that it makes sense to have these
> events sent when the group is opaque. Others may like to comment if this would
> cause any problems for them, or the messages should be sent regardless of the
> actual visibility of the groups background?
>
>
And voted for.

2010/1/2 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:14 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  You are not missing anything - it is just that groups themselves do not
>> trigger mouseEnter / leave (even when opaque - which is a pity)
>>
>
> And this is a major shortcoming in the engine. Not having events sent to
> groups makes some custom controls very difficult to code properly.
>
> I found a report in RQCC. The report is filed as a bug though it should
> probably be a feature request. People affected by this may want to take a
> look and add any comments/votes they deem necessary.
>
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7077>
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers:
> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  2 12:40:43 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:40:43 -0800
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <E4B47E5F-EAE0-4E4D-BA6A-5379259DF985@cruzio.com>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
	<c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001020832v443b3120k14812be75449af97@mail.gmail.com>
	<E4B47E5F-EAE0-4E4D-BA6A-5379259DF985@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <106862026515.20100102094043@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:15:56 AM, you wrote:

>> If you decide to do this, please let me know and I'll move my old
>> votes to the new report.  It is a pity more people don't see the
>> significance of 7077.

> Or even the reality of it.  The report is classified "unconfirmed."

You'd think that filing a bug report with a severitity of "blocker"
would raise its visibility, no? Apparently "unconfirmed" is a code
phrase for "let's work on something else"...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jan  2 14:04:58 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:04:58 -0500
Subject: Mouseenter for objects inside groups
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001020832v443b3120k14812be75449af97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D56FC2B6-F1C6-4EEC-82A1-AC8FDDF5A646@laposte.net>
	<c1c5836b1001020614l7eab4ec1lf22eafb878ad9bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8F3B77A-9E7D-43D5-8355-E767C508E687@mangomultimedia.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001020832v443b3120k14812be75449af97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D17C0975-5386-48B7-B7C6-9D5F7A1A44D2@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 2, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Trevor, shortly after he entered that bug report Andreas gave up on
> Revolution.  So it may be worth re-entering this item as an
> enhancement request rather than a bug.  Otherwise, it will remain a
> bug report.
>
> If you decide to do this, please let me know and I'll move my old
> votes to the new report.  It is a pity more people don't see the
> significance of 7077.

People have already started adding comments to 7077 so I don't think I  
will open an enhancement request.

I know that the folks at Rev are aware of this issue and would like to  
address it as I have discussed it with them a couple of times in  
regards to Data Grids and custom controls. I think group events play  
an important role in the creation of the custom controls that Rev is  
trying to facilitate with recent engine additions.

I don't think that adding the events to groups is a trivial issue, but  
I bet that the more people that express a tangible need for the  
feature through RQCC the more likely it is to be escalated.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From jiml at netrin.com  Sat Jan  2 15:14:40 2010
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:14:40 -0800
Subject: Multipage icons
In-Reply-To: <20100102180009.017E7288103@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100102180009.017E7288103@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <218AE2FA-2AEE-434A-8DAB-8DE66585C9AB@netrin.com>

DavidB wrote:

> they are usually
> formatted by scrolling and clipping the overall image using CSS - and i
> guess I could do the same with an image in a group?


Here's a script that shows how you can use a single image with multiple segments to make an animation.
This techniques also works for multi-state icons contained in a single image file.

http://netrin.on-rev.com/animateimage/animateimage.html

Jim Lambert

From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:56:12 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:56:12 +0000
Subject: Multipage icons
In-Reply-To: <218AE2FA-2AEE-434A-8DAB-8DE66585C9AB@netrin.com>
References: <20100102180009.017E7288103@mail.runrev.com>
	<218AE2FA-2AEE-434A-8DAB-8DE66585C9AB@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001021256y5d3966fdp148a3b33ba80b4b5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - nice to see!

2010/1/2 Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com>

> DavidB wrote:
>
> > they are usually
> > formatted by scrolling and clipping the overall image using CSS - and i
> > guess I could do the same with an image in a group?
>
>
> Here's a script that shows how you can use a single image with multiple
> segments to make an animation.
> This techniques also works for multi-state icons contained in a single
> image file.
>
> http://netrin.on-rev.com/animateimage/animateimage.html
>
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 17:32:03 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:32:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Lock Moves Work on XP?
In-Reply-To: <96121933-1262330509-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-428757859-@bda046.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <29621.48013.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thanks Scott. 

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> From: Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> Subject: Re: Does Lock Moves Work on XP?
> To: "Revolution Mail List" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 1:22 AM
> I think you need to add "without
> waiting" to the move command.
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:58:04 
> To: How to use Revolution<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Does Lock Moves Work on XP?
> 
> Can't get lock moves to work on XP? Is it me?
> 
> lock moves
> move grc 1 to 300,300 in 2 secs
> move grc 3 to 300,300 in 2 secs
> unlock moves
> 
> -- also tried 
> set the lockmoves to true
> move --
> move --
> set the lockmoves to false
> 
> grc 1 and grc 3 don't move together
> they move separately, but more quickly than they should
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat Jan  2 19:04:53 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:04:53 -0800
Subject: Attaching files to a document like a file system
Message-ID: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>

I want to add the ability to store documents encrypted in InfoWallet. I can figure out how to simply add them either to a custom property or just encrypt on disk. It would be great to be able to treat the storage like a disk instead of attached files that can be imported and exported where you can open-from and save-to them and copy to and from it.

Apple's Disk Tools can create these types of disk images that can be encrypted but they only work on the Mac.

Any ideas on how this can be done in Rev that works cross platform?


Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important details of my life.



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 19:29:43 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:29:43 +1000
Subject: Sound recording
Message-ID: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have a one-off need to record sound, so I am hoping somebody will
have done all the hard work for me :-)
It's streamed from a radio station online in either Real player
format, or mp3 format.
These both play on my Mac fine, using VLC & iTunes respectively, but
as the mp3 stream is 128kbps while the Real stream is listed as "22,
44 & 96 kbps", I am assuming the mp3 stream is the way to go.

I've looked at various capture utilities, but they all want money,
which would be fine if I wanted to do this regularly, but I only need
it once, so I though maybe Rev could do it for me.
If anyone knows of a freeware alternative, that would be great.

Meanwhile, I have been looking at Rev's sound recording capabilities.
There seem to be lots of options, and I can get the "record sound"
dialog, even though I don't know what to choose.
But I guess the real problem is selecting the recordInput. The docs
say to use a 4 letter code and they say that the possible options vary
with hardware & system software, but I can't see any way to tell what
options are available. The listed ones don't appear to include
recording a live stream.

As you will all be able to tell, I know next to nothing about audio
formats or recording, but an advice or sample scripts would be
gratefully received.

Many thanks,
Sarah


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  2 19:35:00 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 01:35:00 +0100
Subject: Sound recording
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <381DA65D-6994-4C66-80A9-1FB32CFA8F0E@economy-x-talk.com>

Sarah,

I think you should experiment more with VLC.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Full PayPal integration and automation in web site or (Revolution/ 
SuperCard/other) software. Contact me for a quote before 1 Jan 2010  
and we'll charge (reduced) 2009 prices.
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 3 jan 2010, om 01:29 heeft Sarah Reichelt het volgende geschreven:

> Hi All,
>
> I have a one-off need to record sound, so I am hoping somebody will
> have done all the hard work for me :-)
> It's streamed from a radio station online in either Real player
> format, or mp3 format.
> These both play on my Mac fine, using VLC & iTunes respectively, but
> as the mp3 stream is 128kbps while the Real stream is listed as "22,
> 44 & 96 kbps", I am assuming the mp3 stream is the way to go.
>
> I've looked at various capture utilities, but they all want money,
> which would be fine if I wanted to do this regularly, but I only need
> it once, so I though maybe Rev could do it for me.
> If anyone knows of a freeware alternative, that would be great.
>
<snip>



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 20:25:02 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:25:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Multipage icons
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001011340j112a9d1fx1f1137201e7f0384@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001011340j112a9d1fx1f1137201e7f0384@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262481902673-997524.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi David,


David Bovill-4 wrote:
> 
> I'm used to creating icons with a separate icon for each image file.
> I've noticed that there are a couple of other techniques in use:
> 
>    1. multi-page icons
>    2. multiple icons in one image
> 
> [snip]
> 

Some years ago, answering a question from the mail list,
Abraham Wouter wrote a stack that shows a vector graphic
grouped displayed as an animation.

Visit my webpage at:

http://www.capellan2000.000space.com

and download the file:
Vector_Animation_Wouter.zip

Notice that 000space does not allow hotlinking, so if you
click in the file path, you will get an error:
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/Vector_Animation_Wouter.zip

Alejandro

-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Multipage-icons-tp991972p997524.html
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  2 21:04:28 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:28 -0800
Subject: Sound recording
In-Reply-To: <381DA65D-6994-4C66-80A9-1FB32CFA8F0E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
	<381DA65D-6994-4C66-80A9-1FB32CFA8F0E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <36892251296.20100102180428@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 4:35:00 PM, Mark S. wrote:

> I think you should experiment more with VLC.

I second that. In particular, look in File|Open at the Network tab and
Advanced Options: select Stream/Save and adjust the Settings... button
options to output to a file. VLC will play both local and streaming
mp3 files and can save them to files with no problem. Remember to turn
off the output setting when you're done or you'll be saving all your
VLC stuff to file.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 21:25:30 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:25:30 +1000
Subject: Sound recording
In-Reply-To: <36892251296.20100102180428@ahsoftware.net>
References: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
	<381DA65D-6994-4C66-80A9-1FB32CFA8F0E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<36892251296.20100102180428@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001021825q506e0c4s2a29e0ab9b9ddabd@mail.gmail.com>

>> I think you should experiment more with VLC.
>
> I second that. In particular, look in File|Open at the Network tab and
> Advanced Options: select Stream/Save and adjust the Settings... button
> options to output to a file. VLC will play both local and streaming
> mp3 files and can save them to files with no problem. Remember to turn
> off the output setting when you're done or you'll be saving all your
> VLC stuff to file.


Thanks Mark & Mark, I did as you suggested and got it working.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Jan  2 23:06:40 2010
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:06:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sound recording
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1001022005400.5967@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Sarah,

Have you tried Audacity?

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

HTH,

Judy

On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have a one-off need to record sound, so I am hoping somebody will
> have done all the hard work for me :-)
> It's streamed from a radio station online in either Real player
> format, or mp3 format.
> These both play on my Mac fine, using VLC & iTunes respectively, but
> as the mp3 stream is 128kbps while the Real stream is listed as "22,
> 44 & 96 kbps", I am assuming the mp3 stream is the way to go.
>
> I've looked at various capture utilities, but they all want money,
> which would be fine if I wanted to do this regularly, but I only need
> it once, so I though maybe Rev could do it for me.
> If anyone knows of a freeware alternative, that would be great.
>
> Meanwhile, I have been looking at Rev's sound recording capabilities.
> There seem to be lots of options, and I can get the "record sound"
> dialog, even though I don't know what to choose.
> But I guess the real problem is selecting the recordInput. The docs
> say to use a 4 letter code and they say that the possible options vary
> with hardware & system software, but I can't see any way to tell what
> options are available. The listed ones don't appear to include
> recording a live stream.
>
> As you will all be able to tell, I know next to nothing about audio
> formats or recording, but an advice or sample scripts would be
> gratefully received.
>
> Many thanks,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  2 23:30:18 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:30:18 -0600
Subject: Interface question
In-Reply-To: <02548932-61FC-483D-A658-9DCAD4CA305A@byu.edu>
References: <4B311505.3000708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<02548932-61FC-483D-A658-9DCAD4CA305A@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4B401D5A.8050909@hyperactivesw.com>

In case anyone is interested, I thought I'd let people know how we 
decided to resolve the interface issue I was having with a client's 
stack. This was the problem:

> Because the prefs stack is much smaller than the print template stacks,
> the text entry fields are also not as wide. To give the user a way to
> visualize how their tabstops will look, the textsize in the entry fields
> is very small. This gives the right ratio between field width and text
> size, so that they get a fairly accurate idea of the text placement in
> the header or footer as they slide the tabstops around.
> 
> So now the client says the text is too small to read easily (which is
> true) and he'd like it legible. Problem is, if I increase the text size,
> the relative ratio of the tabstops will not be accurate and the fields
> will not display the relative text placement correctly.

I got lots of good answers here but they all involved some kind of 
second field, which I wasn't keen on. Someone had suggested a magnifying 
glass effect, but that doesn't allow easy editing. It did give me an 
idea though. The upshoot is that we decided to implement a dynamically 
resizing field, which for our situation works pretty well.

When the insertion point is placed in one of the two relevant prefs 
fields, it grows horizontally and a little bit vertically. The font size 
and textheight are changed proportionately, which makes it readable. A 
colored border is added to show that the field is in a special state. On 
exitField and closeField, the field size and font properties are reduced 
back to normal and the border removed.

It works pretty well, seems intuitive, avoids an extra editing field, 
and has a semi-animated effect. (I'm considering adding a visual effect 
to amplify that.)

--In each prefs field:

on openField
   zoomFld "large"
end openField

on closeField
   zoomFld "small"
end closeField

on exitField
   zoomFld "small"
end exitField

--In the card script:

on zoomFld pSize
   put the short name of the target into tFldName
   put the uRect of fld tFldName into tNativeRect -- custom prop stores 
native size
   lock screen
   switch pSize
   case "large"
     put the loc of fld tFldName into tLoc
     set the threeD of fld tFldName to false
     subtract 10 from item 1 of tNativeRect
     add 10 to item 3 of tNativeRect
     add 5 to item 4 of tNativeRect
     set the rect of fld tFldName to tNativeRect -- now adjusted
     set the loc of fld tFldName to tLoc
     set the textsize of fld tFldName to 13
     set the textheight of fld tFldName to 18
     break
   case "small"
     set the threeD of fld tFldName to true
     set the rect of fld tFldName to tNativeRect
     set the textsize of fld tFldName to 9
     set the textheight of fld tFldName to 16
     break
   default
   end switch
   unlock screen
end zoomFld

I didn't need a direct command to set the border, because toggling the 
threeD property toggles border visibility. So all I had to do was 
manually set up the border width and color, and then just turn threeD on 
and off.

Maybe someone can use this. It's a simple solution that I just didn't 
think of until you guys jogged my brain. Thanks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 01:33:43 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:33:43 -0800
Subject: Easier syntax for quoting text and html?
In-Reply-To: <4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
References: <c1c5836b1001010610g1f6df16ctd29af5e6861eae00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E90F2.6020501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <2CA03FE2-AF72-4CF5-9B0A-144C384926D2@yahoo.com>


On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> 2009/12/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>>  --// html honors both quote types, ignores extra spaces
>>
> Thanks Jim !! How did I get to this age in my life without realizing  
> that !?


There is actually another behavior that works but is probably not as  
reliable
   ... if there are no spaces, you don't need quotes

<div id=firstTab class=selected height=398 width=690 >

    ...  will work with most browsers.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 03:22:03 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:03 +1000
Subject: Sound recording
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1001022005400.5967@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1001022005400.5967@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001030022x2ef2bb36m53334580b1d97840@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Judy, I looked at Audacity, but I couldn't work out how to make
it record from a stream, instead of from a mic or line in.
But VLC looks like it will do the job.

I love this list - even if the answer is to use something other than
Rev, there are always helpful suggestions :-)

Cheers,
Sarah



On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> Have you tried Audacity?
>
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
>
> HTH,
>
> Judy
>
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a one-off need to record sound, so I am hoping somebody will
>> have done all the hard work for me :-)
>> It's streamed from a radio station online in either Real player
>> format, or mp3 format.
>> These both play on my Mac fine, using VLC & iTunes respectively, but
>> as the mp3 stream is 128kbps while the Real stream is listed as "22,
>> 44 & 96 kbps", I am assuming the mp3 stream is the way to go.
>>
>> I've looked at various capture utilities, but they all want money,
>> which would be fine if I wanted to do this regularly, but I only need
>> it once, so I though maybe Rev could do it for me.
>> If anyone knows of a freeware alternative, that would be great.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I have been looking at Rev's sound recording capabilities.
>> There seem to be lots of options, and I can get the "record sound"
>> dialog, even though I don't know what to choose.
>> But I guess the real problem is selecting the recordInput. The docs
>> say to use a 4 letter code and they say that the possible options vary
>> with hardware & system software, but I can't see any way to tell what
>> options are available. The listed ones don't appear to include
>> recording a live stream.
>>
>> As you will all be able to tell, I know next to nothing about audio
>> formats or recording, but an advice or sample scripts would be
>> gratefully received.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Sarah
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Jan  3 03:26:55 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:26:55 +0100
Subject: Interface question
In-Reply-To: <4B401D5A.8050909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B311505.3000708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<02548932-61FC-483D-A658-9DCAD4CA305A@byu.edu>
	<4B401D5A.8050909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6C7A0750-BEAE-43D9-BFE9-7877B26E76F5@inria.fr>

Bonjour,
and "heureuse ann?e ? tous"

Jacque, thanks a lot for sharing your solution.
I just tried it : very nice and clever :-))

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

Thank
Le 3 janv. 10 ? 05:30, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> In case anyone is interested, I thought I'd let people know how we  
> decided to resolve the interface issue I was having with a client's  
> stack. This was the problem:
>
>> Because the prefs stack is much smaller than the print template  
>> stacks,
>> the text entry fields are also not as wide. To give the user a way to
>> visualize how their tabstops will look, the textsize in the entry  
>> fields
>> is very small. This gives the right ratio between field width and  
>> text
>> size, so that they get a fairly accurate idea of the text placement  
>> in
>> the header or footer as they slide the tabstops around.
>> So now the client says the text is too small to read easily (which is
>> true) and he'd like it legible. Problem is, if I increase the text  
>> size,
>> the relative ratio of the tabstops will not be accurate and the  
>> fields
>> will not display the relative text placement correctly.
>
> I got lots of good answers here but they all involved some kind of  
> second field, which I wasn't keen on. Someone had suggested a  
> magnifying glass effect, but that doesn't allow easy editing. It did  
> give me an idea though. The upshoot is that we decided to implement  
> a dynamically resizing field, which for our situation works pretty  
> well.
>
> When the insertion point is placed in one of the two relevant prefs  
> fields, it grows horizontally and a little bit vertically. The font  
> size and textheight are changed proportionately, which makes it  
> readable. A colored border is added to show that the field is in a  
> special state. On exitField and closeField, the field size and font  
> properties are reduced back to normal and the border removed.
>
> It works pretty well, seems intuitive, avoids an extra editing  
> field, and has a semi-animated effect. (I'm considering adding a  
> visual effect to amplify that.)
>
> --In each prefs field:
>
> on openField
>  zoomFld "large"
> end openField
>
> on closeField
>  zoomFld "small"
> end closeField
>
> on exitField
>  zoomFld "small"
> end exitField
>
> --In the card script:
>
> on zoomFld pSize
>  put the short name of the target into tFldName
>  put the uRect of fld tFldName into tNativeRect -- custom prop  
> stores native size
>  lock screen
>  switch pSize
>  case "large"
>    put the loc of fld tFldName into tLoc
>    set the threeD of fld tFldName to false
>    subtract 10 from item 1 of tNativeRect
>    add 10 to item 3 of tNativeRect
>    add 5 to item 4 of tNativeRect
>    set the rect of fld tFldName to tNativeRect -- now adjusted
>    set the loc of fld tFldName to tLoc
>    set the textsize of fld tFldName to 13
>    set the textheight of fld tFldName to 18
>    break
>  case "small"
>    set the threeD of fld tFldName to true
>    set the rect of fld tFldName to tNativeRect
>    set the textsize of fld tFldName to 9
>    set the textheight of fld tFldName to 16
>    break
>  default
>  end switch
>  unlock screen
> end zoomFld
>
> I didn't need a direct command to set the border, because toggling  
> the threeD property toggles border visibility. So all I had to do  
> was manually set up the border width and color, and then just turn  
> threeD on and off.
>
> Maybe someone can use this. It's a simple solution that I just  
> didn't think of until you guys jogged my brain. Thanks.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 07:29:52 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:29:52 +0000
Subject: Multipage icons
In-Reply-To: <1262481902673-997524.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001011340j112a9d1fx1f1137201e7f0384@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262481902673-997524.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001030429l51b77c88hffbdb60502b0e854@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - as ever.

2010/1/3 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>

>
> Some years ago, answering a question from the mail list,
> Abraham Wouter wrote a stack that shows a vector graphic
> grouped displayed as an animation.
>
> Visit my webpage at:
>
> http://www.capellan2000.000space.com
>


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 08:21:06 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:21:06 +0000
Subject: Sound recording
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001030022x2ef2bb36m53334580b1d97840@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001021629l2f6a1803q211576aa1c986022@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1001022005400.5967@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<f99b52861001030022x2ef2bb36m53334580b1d97840@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001030521v41ed011ra4a984e0fb2616a2@mail.gmail.com>

VLC is fab (I wish we could use embedded VLC libraires in Rev instead of
QuickTime) - but I was wandering how hard it would be to get QuickTime to do
this? AFAIK QuickTime will play streaming MP3's from ShoutCast and other
streaming servers, and so maybe it is not too hard to get it to save live
stream? Trevors eQT external perhaps?

2010/1/3 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>

> Thanks Judy, I looked at Audacity, but I couldn't work out how to make
> it record from a stream, instead of from a mic or line in.
> But VLC looks like it will do the job.
>
> I love this list - even if the answer is to use something other than
> Rev, there are always helpful suggestions :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu>
> wrote:
> > Sarah,
> >
> > Have you tried Audacity?
> >
> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I have a one-off need to record sound, so I am hoping somebody will
> >> have done all the hard work for me :-)
> >> It's streamed from a radio station online in either Real player
> >> format, or mp3 format.
> >> These both play on my Mac fine, using VLC & iTunes respectively, but
> >> as the mp3 stream is 128kbps while the Real stream is listed as "22,
> >> 44 & 96 kbps", I am assuming the mp3 stream is the way to go.
> >>
> >> I've looked at various capture utilities, but they all want money,
> >> which would be fine if I wanted to do this regularly, but I only need
> >> it once, so I though maybe Rev could do it for me.
> >> If anyone knows of a freeware alternative, that would be great.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, I have been looking at Rev's sound recording capabilities.
> >> There seem to be lots of options, and I can get the "record sound"
> >> dialog, even though I don't know what to choose.
> >> But I guess the real problem is selecting the recordInput. The docs
> >> say to use a 4 letter code and they say that the possible options vary
> >> with hardware & system software, but I can't see any way to tell what
> >> options are available. The listed ones don't appear to include
> >> recording a live stream.
> >>
> >> As you will all be able to tell, I know next to nothing about audio
> >> formats or recording, but an advice or sample scripts would be
> >> gratefully received.
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Sarah
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
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From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Jan  3 09:42:45 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:42:45 +0100
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
Message-ID: <D749D204-8CDE-464A-B276-F53C1404DD86@rombauts.be>

Hello all,

I'm developping on OS X applications for Mac, and Win. I have those  
environments and I can test. But I cannot test on Linux myself and  
thus check if this "error" is an important one.

I generated a standalone using MySQL db access. Everything is OK for  
Mac and Win but when generating the standalone for Linux I get this  
warning message:
Linux, driver file not found: ""

Wha'ts happening.

Andr? Rombauts,
Belgium.

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 09:49:52 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:49:52 +0000
Subject: [OT] Text on a curve
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001030649t430b9619l28f0f58014c17aed@mail.gmail.com>

Having a limited budget (i.e. cannot afford Adobe Illustrator) and having
got bogged-down with Inkscape I have
been searching for el-cheapo solution to text on a curve.

Anybody who has seen my Devawriter is going to be singularly unimpressed
with the bitmapped, jaggy-edged
title . . . but, hey, what do you expect if all I have to do that sort of
thing is LightScribe Labeller !!! ?

So, over here in England and Dad was looking for a way to do Venn diagrams
with coloured, semi-transparent
fills, and I suddenly remembered that I had downloaded Microsoft Expression
a while back and had glanced at it
and quickly forgotten about it: BIG MISTAKE . . .

http://www.microsoft.com/expression/expression-design/Default.aspx

[Yes, I am going against the grain and recommending a Microsoft product -
but mainly because it isn't really
a Microsoft product; Microsoft bought the product and then released it for
FREE; funny really, but there you
go.]

It is available for Windows (well, it works on Dad's XP laptop - dunno about
Vista and 7), Mac OS X (PPC -
but suppose it will function with Rosetta - prob. not under 10.6) - works
well at home under 10.5 and 10.4,
working OK here on first edition G3 iMac on 10.3, and Mac OS 8 and 9.

Very serviceable, FREE Vector Graphics program with a lot of levels of UNDO.

It saves in its own format and to Illustrator and EPS; under 'save as
Bitmap' it can export to JPG, PNG
and so forth.

The only slight snag is that it exports the whole 'page', so if your image
is smaller than that you
have to crop it in GIMP or somesuch.

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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 09:55:55 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:55:55 +0100
Subject: Opening a doc in a cd or fld
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001011331r3572d09fjcf629e4a235f9927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B676381D-38D9-4043-B99A-3A72C2E304AC@inria.fr>
	<C7624F3B.2226%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<64bda6471001011331r3572d09fjcf629e4a235f9927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001030655m1e2b6b53tfade1edae8931fde@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Just in case it maybe useful for someone, have a look to The Lab
experiment 3 on www.aslugontheroad.co.cc.


-Zryip The Slug- wish you the best! 8)

2010/1/1 zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
> Hi Hershel,
>
> Not tried yet, but it could be possible to open a pdf directly on a
> Rev stack by using the revBrowser external.
> The revBrowser external allow you to open a browser on a stack. Since
> it is possible to open a pdf in a common browser, no reason that the
> revBrowser could not do same.
>
> For .doc and .xls it depends if you're on mac or windows. On windows
> it maybe possible to open those formats in a browser by using ActiveX
> controls.
>
>
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
>
> 2009/12/31 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>:
>> Thanks, this opens it up In it own window, my question if I could open in a
>> rev stack?
>> Hershel
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 10:04:00 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:04:00 +0000
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <D749D204-8CDE-464A-B276-F53C1404DD86@rombauts.be>
References: <D749D204-8CDE-464A-B276-F53C1404DD86@rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001030704q657882bcn4a77b2e498ef26c3@mail.gmail.com>

I have said it before, and I'll say it again until my throat is hoarse:
whatever else
anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones for any
platform from a platform other than the target one.

1. Find an old PC with a minimum of 256 MB RAM, a CD drive and a Hard Drive
that
is at least 6 MB (Pentium III or IV, probably best to have at least a 500
MHz processor).
You may have something like this under the bed, in the attic, the garage,
the cellar or
over at Granny's house.

2. Download a Debian Linux distro (Ubuntu 8.04 LTS is a good bet); make sure
you download the Alternative Install disk (the GUI on the standard one
grinds to a
halt on tatty old computers).

3. Burn the ISO image onto a CD.

4. Install Linux on your old PC.

(if you cannot do these steps I would be very surprised if you cannot find
at least
one person you know who could do it for you)

5. Download the 30-day trial version of RunRev 4 Studio for Linux.

6. Install it on your Linux PC.

7. Transfer your stack across to the Linux PC.

8. Make sure you have a good look and think about the INCLUSIONS needed when
you set up the standalone settings.

9. Build the Linux standalone.

I know that that is an awful lot more long-winded than just popping out a
Linux
standalone from Mac or Windows; but it really does minimize the chances of
all sorts of horrible things happening when your standalone actually gets to
an end-user's PC!

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm developping on OS X applications for Mac, and Win. I have those
> environments and I can test. But I cannot test on Linux myself and thus
> check if this "error" is an important one.
>
> I generated a standalone using MySQL db access. Everything is OK for Mac
> and Win but when generating the standalone for Linux I get this warning
> message:
> Linux, driver file not found: ""
>
> Wha'ts happening.
>
> Andr? Rombauts,
> Belgium._______________________________________________
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From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Jan  3 10:26:34 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:26:34 +0100
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001030704q657882bcn4a77b2e498ef26c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D749D204-8CDE-464A-B276-F53C1404DD86@rombauts.be>
	<74ac8f551001030704q657882bcn4a77b2e498ef26c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B508B4CD-0A50-42E0-9B45-9C44B5533824@rombauts.be>

Thanks for you reply!

Le 03-janv.-10 ? 16:04, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> I have said it before, and I'll say it again until my throat is  
> hoarse:

I have never seen you previous post, sorry. In the past I had not so  
much time to check forum and groups... :-(
Although I'm not a newcomer to Runrev, I have now time to learn it in  
depth as I'm retired...

> anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones  
> for any
> platform from a platform other than the target one.

It is one of RunRev assets to produce easily multi-platforms  
applications.
Testing on each, might not be a problem but why should I generated on  
an another platform?
If this is an issue why is it offered as a feature in Runrev?...

>> and Win but when generating the standalone for Linux I get this  
>> warning
>> message:
>> Linux, driver file not found: ""

It is just a warning message, but what could produce it? In addition,  
the driver file name is not displayed... :-(

Andr?,
Belgium



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Jan  3 10:47:28 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:47:28 +0100
Subject: How to get a same data grid on each card? 
Message-ID: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>

Bonjour Trevor (and all)

I have an old app I built in HC, then I converted in Rev. and that I  
am using quite a lot.
Now, I am transforming it in a true Rev app ;-))

On each card on a stack I have a background including, among other  
objects, a table whose columns are made with grouped scrolling fields  
(an old solution ;-)

I would like to replace this with a data grid.

My first attempt was to put a data grid in the background, expecting I  
could populate it with specific data on each card.

But seems this is not possible. When doing "new card", I get a data  
grid on the new card,
- without the columns headers, which is not a big issue,
- but when I populate the data grid on the new card the data grid on  
the previous one is emptied

So I understand that in fact,  the data grid which is replicated on  
each card can be populated only on the current card.

In other word including a data grid in a group with background  
behavior set to true seems not a good idea. I found an answer from  
Trevor in the archives that seems to confirm that.
-------------
"If you want to have different data on each card (I assume you are  
sharing the data grid across cards) then you would need to:
a) Load the data into the data grid on open card each time a card opens.
b) Create separate data grids for each card."
-------------
In my case, I can't do a), I have to do b)

Then, I red the lesson which explains how to create a data grid  
through script.

But I am trying to avoid re-defining for each new card, the properties  
of the data grid (columns, their names and labels, their width etc.

So my later trial is as follow :

I create a data grid "dataGrid" (with all needed properties defined)  
on the first card of the stack.
I don"t include it in the background of this first card

Then, when I create a new card I do :

   copy grp "DataGrid" of cd 1 of this stack
    paste
    set the dgText of grp "DataGrid" to empty

So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to be  
specifically populated for this card.

Seems to work well :-)

Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against it?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice

Heureuse ann?e 2010
Andr?





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan  3 12:17:11 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:17:11 -0800
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
Message-ID: <4B40D117.7080003@fourthworld.com>

Andre Rombauts wrote:
>> anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones
>> for any
>> platform from a platform other than the target one.
>
> It is one of RunRev assets to produce easily multi-platforms
> applications.
> Testing on each, might not be a problem but why should I generated on
> an another platform?
> If this is an issue why is it offered as a feature in Runrev?...

I can't speak highly enough of the benefits of testing and tweaking on 
each of the platforms one develops for, but as far as the mechanics of 
building standalones I've had good success for many years building for 
OS X, Win, and Linux from my Mac.  Win standalones run without 
alteration, and the Linux builds run as soon as I set their executable 
bit within Linux.  The build process itself has always been flawless 
here (with the only exceptions being "user error", things I may have 
forgotten to include or set up properly, easily remedied).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Sun Jan  3 15:26:46 2010
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:26:46 -0500
Subject: Parallels 5 Mac coupon
Message-ID: <CF35361F-922E-4C1D-BE05-829640C29EC1@luceatlux.com>

As a result of upgrading, I have a $10 off coupon for Parallels Desktop 5 Mac EN that expires January 15, 2010. The first person who contacts me directly is welcome to it!

George



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sun Jan  3 16:06:57 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:06:57 -0800
Subject: Parallels 5 Mac coupon
In-Reply-To: <CF35361F-922E-4C1D-BE05-829640C29EC1@luceatlux.com>
References: <CF35361F-922E-4C1D-BE05-829640C29EC1@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <CBB8FA96-2083-4AAE-9E50-434779578D99@cruzio.com>

Darn it, I just ordered and installed Parallels 5 for Mac last night!  Oh well.  Someone will take advantage. 

Thanks for the offer,
Mark

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:26 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

> As a result of upgrading, I have a $10 off coupon for Parallels Desktop 5 Mac EN that expires January 15, 2010. The first person who contacts me directly is welcome to it!
> 
> George
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 17:05:46 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:05:46 +0100
Subject: Attaching files to a document like a file system
In-Reply-To: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>
References: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001031405x636a92e5p422d8c2fce491c7b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill,

Not sure how your app works, but if you have a database behind and if
it manages BLOB (Binary Large Object), consider this:

1) Somewhere in a pref table, add two blobs one with a description
file of an empty disk image mac (ie dmg), the other with a description
file of an empty disk image windows (ie iso). I'm not sure how it
works on linux, so I exclude it.
2) In your user or maybe wallet table, add a blob
3) When an user opens its Wallet for the first time (blob empty).
- If it is on windows, copy the windows blob from the pref table to
the wallet table
- If it is on mac, copy the mac blob from the pref table to the wallet table
4) Restore the wallet blob somewhere on the disk
5) Mount the image and decrypt the files
6) When the user closes its Wallet, encrypte the file in the image,
unmount the image and store the image file in the Wallet Blob.

If you need to know how to store/restore a blob from a database, I
have shared somewhere on the list, a piece of code.
For more convenience, have a look on the lab experiment 4 on
www.aslugontheroad.co.cc.

Hope this helps.


-Zryip the Slug- wish you the best! 8)


2010/1/3 Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>:
> I want to add the ability to store documents encrypted in InfoWallet. I can figure out how to simply add them either to a custom property or just encrypt on disk. It would be great to be able to treat the storage like a disk instead of attached files that can be imported and exported where you can open-from and save-to them and copy to and from it.
>
> Apple's Disk Tools can create these types of disk images that can be encrypted but they only work on the Mac.
>
> Any ideas on how this can be done in Rev that works cross platform?
>
>
> Bill Vlahos


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  3 17:32:17 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:32:17 -0800
Subject: Text anomaly  
In-Reply-To: <20100103180006.AB96228800C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100103180006.AB96228800C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FA667F1D-3023-463F-92C7-D8E32F1997C5@sbcglobal.net>

I have a list of address (stored in a field), some of which have   
street numbers have fractional values such as 123 1/2 Main St.

When I set the "text" of a popup button to these street addresses,  
everything in a line after "/"  (division sign) is omitted.

This doesn't seem to happen with any other arithmetic sign.

It this an anomaly or is there something special I should worry about  
in setting the "text" of a popup menu.

Jim Hurley


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  3 17:41:37 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:41:37 -0800
Subject: Text anomaly
In-Reply-To: <20100103180006.AB96228800C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100103180006.AB96228800C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CDBF20B4-E7FD-4C15-8A75-827BF1BC8916@sbcglobal.net>

I have a list of addresses in which some of the street number area  
fractional such as:  123 1/2 Main St.

When I put these addresses into the "text" property of a popup menu,  
everything after the division sign is omitted from the line in which  
it appears, i.e. the address above would look like "123 1"

This doesn't happen with any other aritmetic sign, multiplcation,  
addition or subtraction signs.

Is this just an anomaly with the text field in a popup or is there  
something else going on that I should worry about?

Jim Hurley




From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Jan  3 17:48:50 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:48:50 +1100
Subject: Text anomaly
In-Reply-To: <CDBF20B4-E7FD-4C15-8A75-827BF1BC8916@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <C7676A02.8530%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Jim - you need to escape the slash with an extra slash

E.g. 123 1//2 Main St

Terry...


On 4/01/10 9:41 AM, "James Hurley" <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I have a list of addresses in which some of the street number area
> fractional such as:  123 1/2 Main St.
> 
> When I put these addresses into the "text" property of a popup menu,
> everything after the division sign is omitted from the line in which
> it appears, i.e. the address above would look like "123 1"
> 
> This doesn't happen with any other aritmetic sign, multiplcation,
> addition or subtraction signs.
> 
> Is this just an anomaly with the text field in a popup or is there
> something else going on that I should worry about?
> 
> Jim Hurley
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:49:26 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:49:26 +0100
Subject: How to get a same data grid on each card?
In-Reply-To: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>
References: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001031549x5dec3571pf72f9a24001ecee0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andr?,

Why not using a template instead of a copy paste?

Happy new year to you too ;)

-Zryip the Slug- wish you the best! 8)


2010/1/3 Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr>:
> Bonjour Trevor (and all)
>
> I have an old app I built in HC, then I converted in Rev. and that I am
> using quite a lot.
> Now, I am transforming it in a true Rev app ;-))
>
> On each card on a stack I have a background including, among other objects,
> a table whose columns are made with grouped scrolling fields (an old
> solution ;-)
>
> I would like to replace this with a data grid.
>
> My first attempt was to put a data grid in the background, expecting I could
> populate it with specific data on each card.
>
> But seems this is not possible. When doing "new card", I get a data grid on
> the new card,
> - without the columns headers, which is not a big issue,
> - but when I populate the data grid on the new card the data grid on the
> previous one is emptied
>
> So I understand that in fact, ?the data grid which is replicated on each
> card can be populated only on the current card.
>
> In other word including a data grid in a group with background behavior set
> to true seems not a good idea. I found an answer from Trevor in the archives
> that seems to confirm that.
> -------------
> "If you want to have different data on each card (I assume you are sharing
> the data grid across cards) then you would need to:
> a) Load the data into the data grid on open card each time a card opens.
> b) Create separate data grids for each card."
> -------------
> In my case, I can't do a), I have to do b)
>
> Then, I red the lesson which explains how to create a data grid through
> script.
>
> But I am trying to avoid re-defining for each new card, the properties of
> the data grid (columns, their names and labels, their width etc.
>
> So my later trial is as follow :
>
> I create a data grid "dataGrid" (with all needed properties defined) on the
> first card of the stack.
> I don"t include it in the background of this first card
>
> Then, when I create a new card I do :
>
> ?copy grp "DataGrid" of cd 1 of this stack
> ? paste
> ? set the dgText of grp "DataGrid" to empty
>
> So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to be
> specifically populated for this card.
>
> Seems to work well :-)
>
> Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against it?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance for any advice
>
> Heureuse ann?e 2010
> Andr?


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 20:12:33 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:12:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Increasing Text Size in Fields
In-Reply-To: <CDBF20B4-E7FD-4C15-8A75-827BF1BC8916@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <88191.30975.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jim had a couple of questions about a stack he submitted to revonline. I didn't see an email address hanging around so I'll reply here. Maybe he'll see it.

I found Jim's stack here:

http://revonline2.runrev.com/search/searchtype/latest/offset/160
Title Formatter
Jim Hamlyn
Dec 23, 2009

The question was about resizing the text in a fld. The faulty code changes both the textsize and the textheight of the fld. Just change the textsize, not the textheight. 

The following code works. No guardrails included.

on mouseUp
put the textSize of fld "a" into oldTextSize
put oldTextSize + 2 into newTextSize
set the textSize of fld "a"  to newTextSize
end mouseUp

Another question was about select all. It's built-in.

Select all is ctrl-a on Windows, I think cmd-a on Macs

Hope this helps.



      


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jan  4 01:01:12 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:01:12 -1000
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
Message-ID: <4B418428.3030908@hindu.org>

Is anyone getting the Franklin 3D external to work?

I installed the external, put the Windows and Mac serial numbers in the 
init string and

a) I get an error when opening that takes me to the initialization line 
in the open card script.

b) if I close the script, and try a tutorial it opens a window, but 
steals the mouse I cannot use the mouse for anything else, and have to 
force quit Revolution.


From andre at rombauts.be  Mon Jan  4 02:01:49 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:01:49 +0100
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001030704q657882bcn4a77b2e498ef26c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D749D204-8CDE-464A-B276-F53C1404DD86@rombauts.be>
	<74ac8f551001030704q657882bcn4a77b2e498ef26c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546C82CB-94AA-454C-BA04-54A3F3659BCE@rombauts.be>

Le 03-janv.-10 ? 16:04, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones  
> for any
> platform from a platform other than the target one.

>> I generated a standalone using MySQL db access. Everything is OK  
>> for Mac
>> and Win but when generating the standalone for Linux I get this  
>> warning
>> message:
>> Linux, driver file not found: ""

The error was generated because I checked "Search for required  
inclusions..." instead of "Select inclusions..." in the Standalore  
Application Settings.
It seems RunRev did not add the relevant libraries for Linux... :-(

But as you suggested I setup a Linux environement, but a virtual one  
using Sun VirtualBox (http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.1.2/VirtualBox-3.1.2-56127-OSX.dmg 
) and Ubuntu (http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso 
).

Took me one hour...

My application run correctly but crashed as soon as I wanted to click  
into an input field... :-(

Andr?

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan  4 02:58:31 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:58:31 -0800
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
In-Reply-To: <4B418428.3030908@hindu.org>
References: <4B418428.3030908@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <3AE312D6-D51D-4C17-A405-522D720EA0BB@tactilemedia.com>

Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior here).  On  
this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time and then had to force  
quit.  Wrote to Lynn F a couple of times but no response.  Demos are  
still worth looking at though.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Mutimedia & Design



On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> Is anyone getting the Franklin 3D external to work?
>
> I installed the external, put the Windows and Mac serial numbers in  
> the init string and
>
> a) I get an error when opening that takes me to the initialization  
> line in the open card script.
>
> b) if I close the script, and try a tutorial it opens a window, but  
> steals the mouse I cannot use the mouse for anything else, and have  
> to force quit Revolution.
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan  4 03:01:04 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:01:04 +0200
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
In-Reply-To: <3AE312D6-D51D-4C17-A405-522D720EA0BB@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C7676CE0.CE9A1%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/4/10 9:58 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

Hello Guys,

In nearest hours we will upload new archives of Franklin.

With true installers. Several fixes.
Now work all examples on mac and win.
No annoying msgbox during demo.
Fixed crash on mac. And other issues.


> Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior here).  On
> this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time and then had to force
> quit.  Wrote to Lynn F a couple of times but no response.  Demos are
> still worth looking at though.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Mutimedia & Design
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> 
>> Is anyone getting the Franklin 3D external to work?
>> 
>> I installed the external, put the Windows and Mac serial numbers in
>> the init string and
>> 
>> a) I get an error when opening that takes me to the initialization
>> line in the open card script.
>> 
>> b) if I close the script, and try a tutorial it opens a window, but
>> steals the mouse I cannot use the mouse for anything else, and have
>> to force quit Revolution.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Jan  4 03:04:55 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:04:55 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.5.0
Message-ID: <556364AF-C93D-43F5-8F0D-A97293D9596D@wehostmacs.com>

I listened to the users on the list and have renamed all the external  
commands and functions (yeah I know this sucks for people who are  
using it, but on a good note I will not change them again :-).. All  
the names start with "ss" and are more clear about what they do  
(hopefully).. Again, sorry for this change, but it was requested and  
it made sense..

- 23 system cursors added
- Secure data entry (other programs cannot record what you type)
- Start a Spotlight search from your application
- Set a proxy icon based on creator/type code
- Window transition now have a started and completed message fired to  
your application
- better error handling across all the external commands/functions

The next two features were cool but for whatever reason they do not  
run in compiled applications :-(  but I thought I would leave them in  
there anyways for you to play with in the IDE (might be useful to your  
workflow or something)

- check when a volume is mounted/unmounted
- global hot keys (control + option + function key)


More information and download link at < www.shaosean.tk >

-Sean


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan  4 03:40:46 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:40:46 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.5.0
In-Reply-To: <556364AF-C93D-43F5-8F0D-A97293D9596D@wehostmacs.com>
References: <556364AF-C93D-43F5-8F0D-A97293D9596D@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <7FCD299C-EB14-43F4-8F76-B2064B2A8201@economy-x-talk.com>

Thank you so much, Sean. I'll be testing.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Full PayPal integration and automation in web site or (Revolution/ 
SuperCard/other) software. Contact me for a quote before 1 Jan 2010  
and we'll charge (reduced) 2009 prices.
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 4 jan 2010, om 09:04 heeft Shao Sean het volgende geschreven:

> I listened to the users on the list and have renamed all the  
> external commands and functions (yeah I know this sucks for people  
> who are using it, but on a good note I will not change them  
> again :-).. All the names start with "ss" and are more clear about  
> what they do (hopefully).. Again, sorry for this change, but it was  
> requested and it made sense..
>
> - 23 system cursors added
> - Secure data entry (other programs cannot record what you type)
> - Start a Spotlight search from your application
> - Set a proxy icon based on creator/type code
> - Window transition now have a started and completed message fired  
> to your application
> - better error handling across all the external commands/functions
>
> The next two features were cool but for whatever reason they do not  
> run in compiled applications :-(  but I thought I would leave them  
> in there anyways for you to play with in the IDE (might be useful to  
> your workflow or something)
>
> - check when a volume is mounted/unmounted
> - global hot keys (control + option + function key)
>
>
> More information and download link at < www.shaosean.tk >
>
> -Sean




From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan  4 03:54:15 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:54:15 +0200
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
In-Reply-To: <3AE312D6-D51D-4C17-A405-522D720EA0BB@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C7677957.CE9A9%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/4/10 9:58 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

Hi All,

> Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior here).  On
> this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time and then had to force
> quit.  Wrote to Lynn F a couple of times but no response.  Demos are
> still worth looking at though.

Btw, in the new build you can stop demo by ESC. On mac and win.

* NEW mac archive is on site.

* Installation page for windows is in the WIKI

<http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:inst
all>


VERY IMORTANT !!!
*********************

IF you have install prev Franklin3D external inside of
    Revolution/v.v.v-gm-v/Externals

You need REMOVE this old external!


Then install from new installer.
Then you need do second step:
    run Install.rev stack from REV.

This script will install Franklin3D external into
    My Documents/Revolution/Externals folder


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Jan  4 04:40:40 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:40:40 +0100
Subject: How to get a same data grid on each card?
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001031549x5dec3571pf72f9a24001ecee0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>
	<64bda6471001031549x5dec3571pf72f9a24001ecee0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2FE11E69-15A0-4716-9E35-E28A7744CCB3@inria.fr>


Le 4 janv. 10 ? 00:49, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> Hi Andr?,
>
> Why not using a template instead of a copy paste?
>
> Happy new year to you too ;)
>
> -Zryip the Slug- wish you the best! 8)

Bonjour,

I must confess that, up to now, I did not learn a lot about  
customizing the Data Grid Templates substack ;-). I just dragged a  
data grid and set its properties in the inspector, or by scripts.
So thanks you very much for your suggestion;
It induces me to read (and try) more deeply what concerns this topic  
in the Trevor' manual. I am going to do that right now!

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?


>
>
> 2010/1/3 Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr>:
>>
>>
>> Then, I red the lesson which explains how to create a data grid  
>> through
>> script.
>>
>> But I am trying to avoid re-defining for each new card, the  
>> properties of
>> the data grid (columns, their names and labels, their width etc.
>>
>> So my later trial is as follow :
>>
>> I create a data grid "dataGrid" (with all needed properties  
>> defined) on the
>> first card of the stack.
>> I don"t include it in the background of this first card
>>
>> Then, when I create a new card I do :
>>
>>  copy grp "DataGrid" of cd 1 of this stack
>>   paste
>>   set the dgText of grp "DataGrid" to empty
>>
>> So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to  
>> be
>> specifically populated for this card.
>>
>> Seems to work well :-)
>>
>> Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against  
>> it?
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance for any advice
>>
>> Heureuse ann?e 2010
>> Andr?





From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan  4 04:55:23 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:55:23 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
Message-ID: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>

Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc
Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !).
It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!)
All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed.
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?




From rabit at dimensionB.de  Mon Jan  4 05:13:17 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:13:17 +0100
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
In-Reply-To: <C7677957.CE9A9%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C7677957.CE9A9%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <5B1AABE2-7707-402C-AE17-5CEECDC7E197@dimensionB.de>

Hi Ruslan,

I really would like to have a look at Franklin 3D
but the Demo_Franklin3D.rev stack throws the
following errors using Rev 4 on Mac:

openStack handler

Type	Function: error in function handler
Object	Startup_card
Line	put franklin3D_Version() into franklin3DVersion
Hint 	franklin3D_Version

START button

Type	Function: error in function handler
Object	START
Line	get franklin3D_Init("","") -- First parameter - serial number for Windows version and second for Mac OS
Hint 	franklin3D_Init


Regards,

Ralf


On 04.01.2010, at 09:54, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

>> Btw, in the new build you can stop demo by ESC. On mac and win.
> 
> * NEW mac archive is on site.
> 
> * Installation page for windows is in the WIKI
> 
> <http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:inst
> all>
> 
> 
> VERY IMORTANT !!!
> *********************
> 
> IF you have install prev Franklin3D external inside of
>    Revolution/v.v.v-gm-v/Externals
> 
> You need REMOVE this old external!
> 
> 
> Then install from new installer.
> Then you need do second step:
>    run Install.rev stack from REV.
> 
> This script will install Franklin3D external into
>    My Documents/Revolution/Externals folder
> 
> 



From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Mon Jan  4 05:15:32 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:15:32 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <D0D60151-4AE6-4B0A-AB8C-16216EA575F2@unil.ch>

Hi Ren?,

Really impressive and full of possibilities ! J.-S. Bach would have liked it !

Jacques

Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 10:55, Ren? Micout a ?crit :

> Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
> I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
> For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
> There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
> part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
> part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
> part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc
> Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !).
> It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!)
> All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
> I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed.
> Bons souvenirs de Paris
> Ren?
> 
> 
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******************************************
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Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan  4 05:21:32 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:21:32 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <D0D60151-4AE6-4B0A-AB8C-16216EA575F2@unil.ch>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
	<D0D60151-4AE6-4B0A-AB8C-16216EA575F2@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <3101CAFF-0E53-414B-B0AB-555DA8962A5C@numericable.com>

Thank you Jacques,
Quel honneur pour moi dans ce cas !
JSB use Macintosh or Windows ?  :-)
Ren?

Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 11:15, Jacques Hausser a ?crit :

> Hi Ren?,
> 
> Really impressive and full of possibilities ! J.-S. Bach would have liked it !
> 
> Jacques
> 
> Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 10:55, Ren? Micout a ?crit :
> 
>> Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
>> I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
>> For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
>> There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
>> part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
>> part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
>> part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc
>> Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !).
>> It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!)
>> All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
>> I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed.
>> Bons souvenirs de Paris
>> Ren?
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> ******************************************
> Prof. Jacques Hausser
> Department of Ecology and Evolution
> Biophore / Sorge
> University of Lausanne
> CH 1015 Lausanne
> please use my private address:
> 6 route de Burtigny
> CH-1269 Bassins
> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
> mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
> E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
> *******************************************
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan  4 05:37:29 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:37:29 +0000
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001040237h430e4f16x8c321d948eae88bc@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>

> All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
>

Thanks for that - I worked on a lot of Sound installations in the past and
used Midi externals for the main audiovisual glue - most of them came from
France :) I searched for "PlayCommand X" - not quite sure what you are
referring to there - any links or references appreciated.


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan  4 05:41:45 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:45 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001040237h430e4f16x8c321d948eae88bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
	<c1c5836b1001040237h430e4f16x8c321d948eae88bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0B8E36B-DBC1-458D-90BF-13EB4B67BF30@numericable.com>

David,
It is "PlayCommand Agent X" the real name (from Shakobox).
If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo)
Ren?

Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 11:37, David Bovill a ?crit :

> 2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
> 
>> All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
>> 
> 
> Thanks for that - I worked on a lot of Sound installations in the past and
> used Midi externals for the main audiovisual glue - most of them came from
> France :) I searched for "PlayCommand X" - not quite sure what you are
> referring to there - any links or references appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 06:41:40 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:40 +0000
Subject: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001040341r5cd7a6d0r2f110c0494f33276@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ren?, searching around for music related software I found this
interesting software:

   - http://www.thingtone.net/thing1/editions/index.html

looks like it is made with Revolution to me - or does any other software
produce interfaces like that :)

2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>

> David,
> It is "PlayCommand Agent X" the real name (from Shakobox).
> If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo)
> Ren?
>

I couldn't find any references to it on the web - was it an open source
HyperCard external?


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan  4 06:55:25 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:55:25 +0100
Subject: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001040341r5cd7a6d0r2f110c0494f33276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001040341r5cd7a6d0r2f110c0494f33276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF037D39-87D7-49E7-B299-4E4629A6409A@numericable.com>

PlayCommand Agent X :
The right person is :
"J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
She can help you... I think...

Thingtone :
I think it is not made with Revolution, but I could be wrong...

Ren?

PS : I can send you MY list of "weird gear" about music... If you want...


Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 12:41, David Bovill a ?crit :

> Hi Ren?, searching around for music related software I found this
> interesting software:
> 
>   - http://www.thingtone.net/thing1/editions/index.html
> 
> looks like it is made with Revolution to me - or does any other software
> produce interfaces like that :)
> 
> 2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
> 
>> David,
>> It is "PlayCommand Agent X" the real name (from Shakobox).
>> If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo)
>> Ren?
>> 
> 
> I couldn't find any references to it on the web - was it an open source
> HyperCard external?
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 07:08:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:08:21 +0000
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <4B40D117.7080003@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B40D117.7080003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001040408u5f33b88erf2bc34fb5022e75e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Andre Rombauts wrote:
>
>> anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones
>>> for any
>>> platform from a platform other than the target one.
>>>
>>
>> It is one of RunRev assets to produce easily multi-platforms
>> applications.
>> Testing on each, might not be a problem but why should I generated on
>> an another platform?
>> If this is an issue why is it offered as a feature in Runrev?...
>>
>
> I can't speak highly enough of the benefits of testing and tweaking on each
> of the platforms one develops for, but as far as the mechanics of building
> standalones I've had good success for many years building for OS X, Win, and
> Linux from my Mac.


I, certainly, have had great success spinning off Windows standalones from
RR 4.
I find Linux standalones are not always reliable.

However, working with earlier versions of RR I have had nothing but grief
spinning off
both Windows and Linux standalones.

The last sentence should be taken in the context that before I acquired RR 4
I used
RR 2.0.1 to spin off standalones; and there has been an awful lot of water
under the
bridge between RR 2 and RR 4. I still use the FREE version of RR 2.2.1 for
Linux
(spins off standalones for Linux only) that was given out by Novell quite a
few years
ago because the machines I run in my language school run on Ubuntu 5.10, and
RR 4 studio for Linux does not work on that system, nor do standalones
generated
by RR 4 studio for Linux on a machine running a later form of Ubuntu.

As setting up a functioning Linux system cost me about $25 and a couple of
hours
work that seems a small trade-off for guaranteeing my Linux standalones
behave the
way they should.

I have a similar system (headless) running Windows XP Home (OEM XP cost me
$25)
in Bulgaria (I am still in England at the moment), and it really is the best
way of
ensuring that things go exactly as they should. I previously used VPC with
Windows,
but it was grindingly slow.

This also allows you to see what the thing looks like running on your target
system.
I feel that developing and hiving off standalones on one system for another
without
access to that target system is a bit like fumbling around in a dark room
looking for
the light switch; I usually end up either falling over a chair or sticking
my fingers into
something that hurts.

If you have a new INTEL Mac you can spend your money on one of the 'things'
that
will allow you to run Windows and Linux on your Mac; the end-result is much
the same.


>  Win standalones run without alteration, and the Linux builds run as soon
> as I set their executable bit within Linux.


This is an extremely important point - setting the executable property of a
Linux
standalone - unless you expect the end-user to do this for herself you HAVE
to have
access to a Linux system.


>  The build process itself has always been flawless here (with the only
> exceptions being "user error", things I may have forgotten to include or set
> up properly, easily remedied).
>


The only problem about statements such as "The build process itself has
always been flawless here" is that 'here' is not 'there', and all you need
is one end-user to make a big
noise and your reputation gets dragged through the mud.

Unless you live and work in a 3-foot square box with no space there is
really no reason
not to have a few test machines to hand. I work in a 3-foot by 6-foot
'office' and still
manage to have 4 machines packed in there as well as bags of room for a
record-player
and coffee cups. Needless to say, I come out of the office to live; but,
hey, let's face
it, if spending one's time hunched over a computer constitutes living we are
all in line
for padded cells and straitjackets down at the funny farm. . .  :)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am the author of Devawriter

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 07:10:37 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 04:10:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
In-Reply-To: <AF037D39-87D7-49E7-B299-4E4629A6409A@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <474379.56166.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I downloaded Speakalong (one of their other programs) and looked at the strings inside. It looks to be Cocoa.

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> From: Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
> Subject: Re: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 5:55 AM
> PlayCommand Agent X :
> The right person is :
> "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> She can help you... I think...
> 
> Thingtone :
> I think it is not made with Revolution, but I could be
> wrong...
> 
> Ren?
> 
> PS : I can send you MY list of "weird gear" about music...
> If you want...
> 
> 
> Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 12:41, David Bovill a ?crit :
> 
> > Hi Ren?, searching around for music related software
> I found this
> > interesting software:
> > 
> >???- http://www.thingtone.net/thing1/editions/index.html
> > 
> > looks like it is made with Revolution to me - or does
> any other software
> > produce interfaces like that :)
> > 
> > 2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
> > 
> >> David,
> >> It is "PlayCommand Agent X" the real name (from
> Shakobox).
> >> If you need it I can send you by mail directly
> (2,1 Mo)
> >> Ren?
> >> 
> > 
> > I couldn't find any references to it on the web - was
> it an open source
> > HyperCard external?
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
> manage your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:02:01 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:02:01 +0000
Subject: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
In-Reply-To: <AF037D39-87D7-49E7-B299-4E4629A6409A@numericable.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001040341r5cd7a6d0r2f110c0494f33276@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF037D39-87D7-49E7-B299-4E4629A6409A@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001040502t72717123i63dcfb5d2be369f9@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>

> Ren?
>
> PS : I can send you MY list of "weird gear" about music... If you want...
>

That would be very kind. I'm pretty intrigued with the hexagons and the
composition metaphor!


From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan  4 08:15:34 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:15:34 +0200
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
In-Reply-To: <5B1AABE2-7707-402C-AE17-5CEECDC7E197@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <C767B697.CE9D8%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/4/10 12:13 PM, "Ralf Bitter" <rabit at dimensionB.de> wrote:

Hi Ralf,

Please try TODAY's archive  franklin_rev_1_mac.dmg

Make you you have did TWO installation steps:

http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:insta
ll
    

> I really would like to have a look at Franklin 3D
> but the Demo_Franklin3D.rev stack throws the
> following errors using Rev 4 on Mac:
> 
> openStack handler
> 
> Type Function: error in function handler
> Object Startup_card
> Line put franklin3D_Version() into franklin3DVersion
> Hint  franklin3D_Version
> 
> START button
> 
> Type Function: error in function handler
> Object START
> Line get franklin3D_Init("","") -- First parameter - serial number for Windows
> version and second for Mac OS
> Hint  franklin3D_Init

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]



From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan  4 08:39:22 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:39:22 +0200
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work - fixed mac
In-Reply-To: <C767B697.CE9D8%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <C767BC2A.CE9E7%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

Hi Ralf,

Aha, was mistake in RELEASE build. FIXED.
Mac archive uploaded once again 5 min ago.

Tested on clean MAC, works.


> Please try TODAY's archive  franklin_rev_1_mac.dmg
> 
> Make you you have did TWO installation steps:
> 
> http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:insta
> ll
>     
> 
>> I really would like to have a look at Franklin 3D
>> but the Demo_Franklin3D.rev stack throws the
>> following errors using Rev 4 on Mac:
>> 
>> openStack handler
>> 
>> Type Function: error in function handler
>> Object Startup_card
>> Line put franklin3D_Version() into franklin3DVersion
>> Hint  franklin3D_Version
>> 
>> START button
>> 
>> Type Function: error in function handler
>> Object START
>> Line get franklin3D_Init("","") -- First parameter - serial number for
>> Windows
>> version and second for Mac OS
>> Hint  franklin3D_Init

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan  4 09:45:36 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:45:36 -0500
Subject: How to get a same data grid on each card? 
In-Reply-To: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>
References: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <82E7115F-FD14-4AC2-A3A4-206EF9FEEAC0@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> I create a data grid "dataGrid" (with all needed properties defined)  
> on the first card of the stack.
> I don"t include it in the background of this first card
>
> Then, when I create a new card I do :
>
>  copy grp "DataGrid" of cd 1 of this stack
>   paste
>   set the dgText of grp "DataGrid" to empty
>
> So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to  
> be specifically populated for this card.
>
> Seems to work well :-)
>
> Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against it?

Off the top of my head I don't see why that wouldn't work. It appears  
that you are using one Data Grid as your template and then copying it  
to new cards as needed.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan  4 10:29:11 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 07:29:11 -0800
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
In-Reply-To: <3AE312D6-D51D-4C17-A405-522D720EA0BB@tactilemedia.com>
References: <4B418428.3030908@hindu.org>
	<3AE312D6-D51D-4C17-A405-522D720EA0BB@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <63A91FA07D804556B4382CFAFA088C39@GATEWAY>

> Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior 
> here).  On this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time 
> and then had to force quit.  Wrote to Lynn F a couple of 
> times but no response.  Demos are still worth looking at though.

Hi Scott,

Sorry about that - I passed your comments on to engineering, but if
information doesn't go in through Mantis on the Franklin site, it added a
step when everyone was thinking "holiday, holiday, holiday...".

We get a triple churn of holiday confusion around this time of year. Not
only is there "American" style Christmas (24, 25), but we also have Japanese
New Year and Ukranian Christmas (which happens in a couple of days in
January). There was a minor fix it update on December 19, and we have
another one coming out today.

The examples mostly have the window open displaying the 3D space without a
regular interface. What's the ideal way of handling the "exit"? What about
the old Control- . or something like that?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




> On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone getting the Franklin 3D external to work?
> >
> > I installed the external, put the Windows and Mac serial numbers in 
> > the init string and
> >
> > a) I get an error when opening that takes me to the initialization 
> > line in the open card script.
> >
> > b) if I close the script, and try a tutorial it opens a window, but 
> > steals the mouse I cannot use the mouse for anything else, 
> and have to 
> > force quit Revolution.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 11:51:52 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:51:52 +0000
Subject: Attaching files to a document like a file system
In-Reply-To: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>
References: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001040851q43012eaal17504d672b8de629@mail.gmail.com>

Bill, are you asking that your app InfoWallet should use it's
open/save dialogs to look into some stack/datastore to open/save the
file? If so, then I believe that is possible, but maybe not with Rev
as it currently works.  It would require that the Rev file IO code
should be able to hook into some kind of Virtual File System e.g. a
custom property set of a stack, or maybe even a relational database.

If your asking that other apps should be able to open/save documents
to InfoWallet, then I think that maybe be very difficult.  The only
way I can think for you to do that is to look at impliment something
like a webdav/ftp server within your app.  But even if that works, it
would require mappying the OS filesystem such that the filesystem was
talking to your in-built server.

Bernard

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> I want to add the ability to store documents encrypted in InfoWallet. I can figure out how to simply add them either to a custom property or just encrypt on disk. It would be great to be able to treat the storage like a disk instead of attached files that can be imported and exported where you can open-from and save-to them and copy to and from it.
>
> Apple's Disk Tools can create these types of disk images that can be encrypted but they only work on the Mac.
>
> Any ideas on how this can be done in Rev that works cross platform?
>
>
> Bill Vlahos


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan  4 12:13:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:13:49 -0600
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001040237h430e4f16x8c321d948eae88bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
	<c1c5836b1001040237h430e4f16x8c321d948eae88bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4221CD.8040600@hyperactivesw.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> I searched for "PlayCommand X" - not quite sure what you are
> referring to there - any links or references appreciated.

It's from Shakobox, which is hosted on my site:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/resources_shakobox.html>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  4 12:19:35 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:19:35 -0800
Subject: Text anomaly
In-Reply-To: <20100104144540.C234E48A423@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100104144540.C234E48A423@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C573AC7C-108D-419C-8ABC-A44B80A91B6C@sbcglobal.net>

>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:48:50 +1100
> From: Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: Text anomaly
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <C7676A02.8530%tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Jim - you need to escape the slash with an extra slash
>
> E.g. 123 1//2 Main St
>
> Terry...
>


Thanks Terry. I presume this anomalous behavior of "/" in setting the  
text of a popup menu must have something to do with a similar use in  
the menu bar.

I can't find a summary of this in the docs or the User Guide. Can you  
point me to it?

Thanks,

Jim Hurley



From andre at rombauts.be  Mon Jan  4 12:48:18 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:48:18 +0100
Subject: Error while generating a Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001040408u5f33b88erf2bc34fb5022e75e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B40D117.7080003@fourthworld.com>
	<74ac8f551001040408u5f33b88erf2bc34fb5022e75e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6BFEBC4-FE5B-4E35-B5FA-99F36802947D@rombauts.be>

Le 04-janv.-10 ? 13:08, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:
>> Andre Rombauts wrote:
>>> anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones
>>>> for any
>>>> platform from a platform other than the target one.
>>> It is one of RunRev assets to produce easily multi-platforms
>>> applications.
>>> Testing on each, might not be a problem but why should I generated  
>>> on
>>> an another platform?
>>> If this is an issue why is it offered as a feature in Runrev?...
>> I can't speak highly enough of the benefits of testing and tweaking  
>> on each
>> of the platforms one develops for, but as far as the mechanics of  
>> building
>> standalones I've had good success for many years building for OS X,  
>> Win, and
>> Linux from my Mac.
>
>
> This also allows you to see what the thing looks like running on  
> your target
> system.

I imported the stack developed on an OSX system on the Linux one.
Load OK.
But if I try to enter a text object, RunRev crashes without no error  
message... :-(
If I create a test stack on the Linux system, it is working...
Grrrrr.

Andr?

From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan  4 12:51:17 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:51:17 -0800
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
Message-ID: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>

Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by Oracle? I got an email from monty at helpmysql.org wanting me to "sign" some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop solutions and host them on on-rev. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan  4 13:45:25 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:45:25 +0200
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C76803E5.CEA3F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/4/10 7:51 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Well, this is wave of cry raised by author of mySQL some weeks ago.
You can find site with his letter on few languages.
And you can read comments of people to him on this.

Many people say that they support him,
But exists IMO adequate comments which point something like this:

    Hey man, you have SOLD your baby for billion of cache to Sun.
    This means you have loose control over it.
    Do not try now return control back. This is not fair game.


Actually I have predict and told to everyone that Oracle have started game
against mySQL yet in 2005. First step was purchase of InnoDB engine.

> Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by Oracle? I got an
> email from monty at helpmysql.org wanting me to "sign" some petition to help keep
> mySQL open source. I'm not sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a
> real issue. Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not going
> to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop solutions and host them on
> on-rev. 

My prediction to you is:
    mySQL future is in dark.
    they self have start become very greedy and aggressive.
 

> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Jan  4 14:07:05 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:07:05 +0100
Subject: How to get a same data grid on each card? 
In-Reply-To: <82E7115F-FD14-4AC2-A3A4-206EF9FEEAC0@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <189FCB7F-73AF-4945-B196-19BE177E1EAD@inria.fr>
	<82E7115F-FD14-4AC2-A3A4-206EF9FEEAC0@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <B5E498F5-DDD0-45AC-A454-2B1B45777784@inria.fr>


Le 4 janv. 10 ? 15:45, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>
>> I create a data grid "dataGrid" (with all needed properties  
>> defined) on the first card of the stack.
>> I don"t include it in the background of this first card
>>
>> Then, when I create a new card I do :
>>
>> copy grp "DataGrid" of cd 1 of this stack
>>  paste
>>  set the dgText of grp "DataGrid" to empty
>>
>> So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to  
>> be specifically populated for this card.
>>
>> Seems to work well :-)
>>
>> Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against  
>> it?
>
> Off the top of my head I don't see why that wouldn't work. It  
> appears that you are using one Data Grid as your template and then  
> copying it to new cards as needed.
>
OK thank you much for this confirmation
Meanwihile, I am learning about template; seems it should be a more  
elegant solution (more in the spirit of the Data Grid).

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?






From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 14:18:16 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:18:16 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001041118h5f7f1e1bqd6ae6de4fcb2bf0e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ren?,

Very impressive demo! ;)

Keep on the good work!


-Zryip The Slug- wish you the best! 8)

2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>:
> Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
> I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
> For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
> There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
> part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
> part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
> part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan  4 14:32:08 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:32:08 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001041118h5f7f1e1bqd6ae6de4fcb2bf0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
	<64bda6471001041118h5f7f1e1bqd6ae6de4fcb2bf0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E0BD01-CB2F-4090-9DF7-28E847E61CA7@numericable.com>

Thank you, merci Zryip
Ren?

Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 20:18, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> Hi Ren?,
> 
> Very impressive demo! ;)
> 
> Keep on the good work!
> 
> 
> -Zryip The Slug- wish you the best! 8)
> 
> 2010/1/4 Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>:
>> Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
>> I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
>> For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
>> There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
>> part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
>> part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
>> part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan  4 15:11:35 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:11:35 -0800
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
Message-ID: <34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>

> Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by 
> Oracle? I got an email from monty at helpmysql.org wanting me to 
> "sign" some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not 
> sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. 
> Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not 
> going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop 
> solutions and host them on on-rev. 

I think he's worried about his baby.

Michael Widenius (aka Monty) certainly has his concerns about the Oracle
acquisition of Sun. Michael is the original developer of MySQL and worked on
the project for more than 27 years. It is worth reading his posts about the
importance of the GPL in MySQL licensing and even goes on to tie the fate of
MySQL to the free nature of the Internet. What I find facinating is that his
argument is that the open source project requires a strong corporate master
invested in making it competitive with closed source databases. For all the
arguments and worry about MySQL, I believe that the Sun acquisition was more
motivated by the fate of Java than MySQL. It is understandable why Sun was
seeking to sell itself.  Although much of the success of today's internet is
a result of resting on the highly stable Solaris OS and the development of
Java enabled an entirely new (and not always rock solid) way to deploy
server side and handheld applications, new technologies have come along to
kick out their revenue potential.  Oracle has heavily invested in Java as a
development environment, and the threat over the last two years of a
possible acquisition by rival IBM of Sun made the acquisition of Sun an
important step for Oracle. Oracle really does not need MySQL, but they
needed Java. Solaris is also a nice alternative to Linux, too.

I think Michael is going to have a lot of heartache in 2010. MySQL AB had an
extremely aggressive sales force and rather difficult to understand
licensing that, in combination, generated revenues for MySQL AB from
confused executives at development companies and end user companies who
became enamored with MySQL because it was free - but later found it wasn't
free for their commercial endeavors. Oracle certainly has an aggressive
sales force, but the mindset is different. The sort of bait and switch
mentality for licensing isn't a part of the Oracle way of doing things - and
I can see some of Michael's fears coming true. Prices will very likely go
up, up, up. The software license will probably not change for a while - at
least until the worries of government probes are behind them.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan  4 15:53:07 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:53:07 -0800
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
	<34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>

oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge users an extra fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle. 

Having a certain department here who purchased Solaris and Oracle long ago for their server(s) and databases, I can testify that these are VERY PRICEY options, and are overkill for almost all but the high end database needs. 

"Monty" seems to have a good point, in that he thinks Oracle is not going to compete against itself by continuing the licensing scheme of mySQL, if it is considerably less than using Oracle. Microsoft is famous for doing this sort of thing, that is buying out a competitor (or potential competitor), cannibalizing what code they need for their own product, then killing the thing they bought. I cite Foxpro (formerly Fox Software), and that anti-spyware that eventually became Microsoft Anti-spyware. If this is Oracle's intention for mySQL, I would at least like to know now. 

I just don't want to paint myself into a corner by developing for mySQL on On-Rev, and then having support discontinued because Oracle kills it. With all due respect, Valentina, although a great product, especially for large databases, seems a little pricey to me for small projects like the one I have in mind, and since mySQL is free for development, I can use it while I decide if what I am trying to do is something I can bring to fruition without actually spending any money up front. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Jan 4, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by 
>> Oracle? I got an email from monty at helpmysql.org wanting me to 
>> "sign" some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not 
>> sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. 
>> Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not 
>> going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop 
>> solutions and host them on on-rev. 
> 
> I think he's worried about his baby. <snip>



From bill at midway.uchicago.edu  Mon Jan  4 15:59:59 2010
From: bill at midway.uchicago.edu (Bill Sterner)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:59:59 -0600
Subject: Change in brushpattern access in 4.x?
Message-ID: <p06240807c768074961ac@[10.0.1.2]>

Hi,

I'm just returning to RR after having used 3.0.  I found that there 
is no longer any access to brushpatterns in the paint pallette or on 
the properties list.  My question:  is there anyway to specify a 
brushpattern through the user interface in 4.x?  I'm aware of setting 
brushpattern to a number, but would like my students to have an 
easier path at first.

Thanks,

Bill Sterner


From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan  4 16:03:03 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:03:03 +0200
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C7682427.CEA66%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/4/10 10:53 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers
> mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application and host it on my
> On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge
> users an extra fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the
> ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle.
> 
> Having a certain department here who purchased Solaris and Oracle long ago for
> their server(s) and databases, I can testify that these are VERY PRICEY
> options, and are overkill for almost all but the high end database needs.
> 
> "Monty" seems to have a good point, in that he thinks Oracle is not going to
> compete against itself by continuing the licensing scheme of mySQL, if it is
> considerably less than using Oracle. Microsoft is famous for doing this sort
> of thing, that is buying out a competitor (or potential competitor),
> cannibalizing what code they need for their own product, then killing the
> thing they bought. I cite Foxpro (formerly Fox Software), and that
> anti-spyware that eventually became Microsoft Anti-spyware. If this is
> Oracle's intention for mySQL, I would at least like to know now.

If Monty so worried about mySQL, why he have sale it?
Right?

Yes Bob, although everybody around (even Lynn) say, Oracle need Java,
I say: Oracle want kill mySQL from moment when mySQL team becomes so
aggressive to start publish in magazines benches and other things which did
show that mySQL can replace Oracle in corporations.

Yes, Oracle uses Java. But primary source of profit for Oracle is what?
Right - DBMS.

MySQL is enemy for Oracle.
This is clear as a day. :)


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Mon Jan  4 16:08:31 2010
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:08:31 -0500
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
	<34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>
	<4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
Message-ID: <425C7BE5-145A-4F3A-B25E-7EDC282EFCCA@rpsystems.net>


On Jan 4, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which  
> offers mySQL support?

On-rev also supports pgSQL out of the box.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan  4 16:37:39 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:37:39 -0800
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <425C7BE5-145A-4F3A-B25E-7EDC282EFCCA@rpsystems.net>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
	<34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>
	<4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
	<425C7BE5-145A-4F3A-B25E-7EDC282EFCCA@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001041337w232a6943x3b142548cd26f6ca@mail.gmail.com>

There will be clones to run the same code before there will be a crisis.
Your database will not stop working and the 'Language' will not go away.

"MySQL compatibility" will be a buzzword.

And anyway, there is also Valentina   - many times faster and reasonable
licensing.

Perhaps ON-Rev should offer V as an option?
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/4 Troy Rollins <troy_lists at rpsystems.net>

>
> On Jan 4, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>  oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers
>> mySQL support?
>>
>
> On-rev also supports pgSQL out of the box.
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Jan  4 16:40:41 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:40:41 -0700
Subject: on deleteGroup
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <309E5569-DAF3-4187-BA78-7211F22F63CE@byu.edu>


On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Just noticed that the deleteGroup message is not sent when the group  
> is
> nested - anyone got an idea how to get around this?
>
> Say you have a group that you want to do some tidying up if a user  
> deletes
> it - and so you put a handler like this in the group itself:
>
> on deleteGroup
>>   beep
>>   doSomeTidying
>>   pass deleteGroup
>> end deleteGroup
>>
>
> Which works fine if it is a toplevel group - but when this group is  
> inside
> another group deleting the toplevel group triggers a deleteGroup  
> message
> which travels up the hierarchy to the card - but no deleteGroup  
> messages are
> sent from the inner groups - this means you can't attach appropriate
> behaviors to the groups.
>
> Wandering if anyone has looked at this - I can't think how to do it as
> deleteGroup is sent after deletion so even a frontscript would not  
> be able
> to tell what was inside a deleted group. Even the new closeControl  
> message
> does not seem to be sent in these circumstances?

David,

Maybe you'll need to check the child objects of the group before you  
delete the parent group. If they have child groups delete them first  
from the "inside out", so that each group is deleted individually and  
so triggers the deleteGroup message.

repeat with x= 1 to the number of groups in group "parent"
   if there is a group x of group "parent" then
     delete group x of group "parent"
    else
     exit repeat
   end if
end repeat

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan  4 17:05:15 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:05:15 -0800
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <5C40F17E-D751-4624-98FF-E4B102BBA72E@twft.com>

Combine that with a touch screen and gestures and you really have something there. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM


On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
> I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
> For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
> There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
> part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
> part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
> part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc
> Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !).
> It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!)
> All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
> I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed.
> Bons souvenirs de Paris
> Ren?
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan  4 17:10:14 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:10:14 -0800
Subject: Text anomaly
In-Reply-To: <C573AC7C-108D-419C-8ABC-A44B80A91B6C@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100104144540.C234E48A423@mail.runrev.com>
	<C573AC7C-108D-419C-8ABC-A44B80A91B6C@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <C455CE7C-1714-4FED-8891-0ADD8C347008@twft.com>

Isn't the slash used to denote the hotkey of the menu option? I made a menu driven app once and I recalled that was how you indicated which letter would be the command key or something of the sort. As indicated earlier, you have to "escape" the slash if you want a real slash to appear and not be interpreted as the command key. 

Bob


On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:19 AM, James Hurley wrote:

> Thanks Terry. I presume this anomalous behavior of "/" in setting the text of a popup menu must have something to do with a similar use in the menu bar.
> 
> I can't find a summary of this in the docs or the User Guide. Can you point me to it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Hurley



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 17:24:18 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:24:18 +0100
Subject: Interface question
In-Reply-To: <4B401D5A.8050909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B311505.3000708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<02548932-61FC-483D-A658-9DCAD4CA305A@byu.edu>
	<4B401D5A.8050909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001041424v5881fbbdq3ccd6d51355dfdc@mail.gmail.com>

Nicely done Jacque! Thanks for the solution ;)

It inspired me another solution that I've experimented for fun.
It's something combining zoom the size of the text and the Mac/Windows
stack resizer available on the Object Library.
When the user resize the field by drag & drop, the size of the text is
resized too.

I confess that I cheated a little because I take care only here of the
proportion of the field width.
We could imagine add a zoom box to maximize the size of the field and
so the size of the text.

In case of it useful to someone, here is the code:

1) In a button placed on the bottom right of each field

local lMoving, lDistance
constant cFldName="Field" -- Put here the name of the field

on mouseDown
  put true into lMoving
  put the right of fld cFldName - item 1 of the Mouseloc,the bottom of
fld cFldName - item 2 of the MouseLoc into lDistance
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
  put false into lMoving
  unlock cursor
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
  put false into lMoving
  unlock Cursor
end mouseRelease

on mouseMove
   if lMoving then
      moveAndResizeFld cFldName, lDistance
   end if
end mouseMove

2) In the card script

on moveAndResizeFld pFldName, pDistance
   put item 1 to 2 of the rect of fld pFldName,item 1 of the
Mouseloc+item 1 of pDistance,item 2 of the Mouseloc+item 2 of
pDistance into tRect
   if item 3 of tRect < (the uMinWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld
pFldName) then put (the uMinWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld
pFldName) into item 3 of tRect
   if item 4 of tRect < (the uMinHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld
pFldName) then put (the uMinHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld
pFldName) into item 4 of tRect
   if item 3 of tRect > (the uMaxWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld
pFldName) then put (the uMaxWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld
pFldName) into item 3 of tRect
   if item 4 of tRect > (the uMaxHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld
pFldName) then put (the uMaxHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld
pFldName) into item 4 of tRect
   lock screen
   set the rect of fld pFldName to tRect
   set the bottomRight of the target to bottomRight of fld pFldName

   get (width of fld pFldName / the uMinWidth of fld pFldName)

   set the textsize of fld pFldName to the round of (the uTextSize of
fld pFldName * it)
   set the textheight of fld pFldName to the round of (the uTextheight
of fld pFldName * it)

   unlock screen
end moveAndResizeFld

It's just a quick adaptation of the Mac/Windows stack resizer
available in the Revolution's Object Library but it doing the job;)
Note that I've used the custom properties for emulate min and max size
of the field. Plus I've transposed the screenMouseLoc which works well
for a stack by the mouseLoc property which works better for managing
objects in a card.


-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)

2010/1/3 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> I got lots of good answers here but they all involved some kind of second
> field, which I wasn't keen on. Someone had suggested a magnifying glass
> effect, but that doesn't allow easy editing. It did give me an idea though.
> The upshoot is that we decided to implement a dynamically resizing field,
> which for our situation works pretty well.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan  4 17:25:40 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:25:40 -0800
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com><34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>
	<4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4237C92A87784401B47CBE8804715959@GATEWAY>

> oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, 
> which offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser 
> application and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering 
> now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge users an extra 
> fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up 
> the ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force 
> people to adopt Oracle. 

I could see development slowing down a bit (though it was already very slow
for the community edition of MYSQL), but I expect it will keep going. Oracle
has absorbed a number of other databases over the years.
 
> I just don't want to paint myself into a corner by developing 
> for mySQL on On-Rev, and then having support discontinued 
> because Oracle kills it. With all due respect, Valentina, 
> although a great product, especially for large databases, 
> seems a little pricey to me for small projects like the one I 
> have in mind, and since mySQL is free for development, I can 
> use it while I decide if what I am trying to do is something 
> I can bring to fruition without actually spending any money up front.

While you can use MySQL for free, it isn't free for commercial development.
On the commercial side, Valentina is very competitive vs MySQL. We get a lot
of MySQL users coming our way so we try to make them as welcome as possible.
For example, if you look at our PHP API, you can do a lot with a simple
search/replace of a prefix for porting your app.

The database market is a very mature market - meaning, its been around for
long enough that there are really big players in the market (1-3), and a lot
of products that, facing the behemoths, offer specific features that attract
very specific kinds of customers and understand that its likely they won't
kick the biggest out of the market. The FOSS movement hasn't really changed
that, because these are very technical products, and a product being free or
not free often represents the smallest cost of developing a project.

This is one reason why we really don't worry about the likes of SQLite - its
freer that MySQL - its public domain. But there are loads of things
Valentina can do that it can't do (and being public domain, we've shook any
fruit out of that tree that looked shiny and ripe a long time ago).

Developers use Valentina for several reasons. We really push the speed
message - we get a lot of BI customers who are dumping from other dbs into
Valentina to do custom analysis applications. That's a hot market for us.
There are other reasons too - features we spend a lot of time on to
differentiate it from the competition.

Maybe its bad to say so, but when I buy a new product (that isn't purchased
for pure hedonism), I usually have asked myself how Im going to make money
with it - we try to do that when planning Valentina updates. A lot of our
main "point" releases, like 4.3 or soon to be released 4.5, we try to
include features that our customers can turn around and make into *their*
next feature. If a complex but common sort of query against 200,000 records
is 20% faster, that could mean our customers (who are developers) can come
out with a new version of their product and say "now 20% faster!". It's the
same sort of approach in picking and upgrading your development environment
:-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From insidepocket at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 17:59:04 2010
From: insidepocket at gmail.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:59:04 -0800
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Message-ID: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,


To Download for FREE the classic, Revolution-built Monks CD-ROM visit:

http://rivertext.com/


Please let me know, if you have any issues with the download or
installation, as I plan on sending Press Releases out early tomorrow
morning,




Thanks to everyone for their offers and suggestions for helping with the
free downloads of the IF MONKS HAD MACS CD-ROM.

The most intriguing suggestion was to use the public folder of my Dropbox. I
think that explaining what I learned about Dropbox will be of use to a lot
of folks so I will explain that below.


If you don't know about Dropbox, you go there and get 2 gigabytes of FREE
storage that you can use just by dragging to the alias of a drop box on your
hard drive. It is easier to use for storage then Apple's MobleME. But it's
real value is that you can share folders within your Dropbox with folks you
are working on  project with and everytime you update something in a shared
folder it gets updated on the computer of everyone who is sharing that
folder.

What I learned this weekend is that you can link to items in your shared
folder from you web page and the visitors to your web site will never know
that they aren't downloading from your own server. It is seamless, and the
files don't disappear if they aren't downloaded as they do on Rapidshare or
FileFactory -- which are hardly seamless as the user has to pass a human
test by inputing letters and then waiting 30 seconds watching a message to
upgrade to their professional version.

Anyway, if you are interested in Dropbox now click the link below. (and if a
few of you sign up for a free Dropbox account I'll get the space back for my
own Dropbox use that I'm giving up to host Monks there.)

https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI4NDQ3ODY5



-- 
Brian


From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 18:18:00 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:18:00 -0500
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>

Do you know that the launcher file is a Unix document, and not an application?




From insidepocket at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 18:57:40 2010
From: insidepocket at gmail.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:57:40 -0800
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I know it is not an application, and there is a story attached to that
one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it?

Why?

Monks was more than an interactive presentation. There were 2 applications
-- a Journal and an e-book reader -- built-in, in addition to the
interactive presentation. Since we didn't want the user to have to have
enough memory to run 3 Revolution standalones at the same time (this was
planned out in last millennium) we put the Rev engine into one of the
standalone's -- so they would have to only have two standalones open at
most.

So, the Rev engine in the Journal runs the interactive presentation and the
journal application. If you open the Journal app you go straight into the
sophisticated Journaling application, if you open the document you go
straight into the Cloister and the interactive presentation.

*** Colin -- I remember fondly a few of the things you said to me when we
were building Monks like:

"If Monks had Windows they'd jump out of them."

---- It turned out that with Revolution Windows development was a piece of
cake. However, we were developing it at the same time that Revolution was
working out its bugs with the Mac platform and Steve Jobs was jerking that
platform around  every few month with a new version of OS X -- that changed
the underpinnings of the OS.

This is long, but, now I'm ready to tell the story. Just before the burning
of the CD's a new version of Revolution came out with something we needed,
but broke the perfectly sensible code we were using to launch Monks.

So, Sarah, from this Revlist saved the launch by writing for us an
Applescript that relied of our Monks creator code to launch Monks. And, I
thought, why throw away the old launcher, I think I'll just leave it on the
CD-ROM and call it "the back-up launcher" even though it stopped working.
Maybe someday it will work again...

And that, is really a nutty way to think. However, five years later, Snow
Leopard stop recognizing Creator Codes and Sarah's AppleScript stopped
working. Then I checked the Back-up launcher...

and it worked!!!!

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Do you know that the launcher file is a Unix document, and not an
> application?
>
>
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-- 
Brian


From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Jan  4 19:01:54 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 01:01:54 +0100
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
	<34621EC1B28D466DB0791B5DE510249C@GATEWAY>
	<4F5D38FA-A34A-431D-8E65-0E179FB2D973@twft.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081bc76830661877@[192.168.1.94]>

On 04.01.2010 at 12:53 Uhr -0800 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
>oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which 
>offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application 
>and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is 
>going to be forced to charge users an extra fee to continue to host 
>MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the ante, so to speak, or even 
>discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle.
>
>Having a certain department here who purchased Solaris and Oracle 
>long ago for their server(s) and databases, I can testify that these 
>are VERY PRICEY options, and are overkill for almost all but the 
>high end database needs.
>

Another plausible scenario could be that Oracle decides to have two 
revenue streams, Oracle on the high-end and MySQL on the lower-end, 
expanding the scope of their products and keeping MySQL free for 
non-commercial users but cutting down its high-end features. All of 
this is however pure speculation and we just have to wait and see.

Robert


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan  4 19:15:27 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:15:27 -0800
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
	<849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001041615g14630cdak9ff0a3fcb31dd0c9@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the download. I'd never seen MONKS before, although I knew of its
existence, being a Mac developer in the late 80s.

What hasn't been talked about is the excellent extra NEW material that Brian
added. Great photography and essay.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/4 Brian Thomas <insidepocket at gmail.com>

> Yes I know it is not an application, and there is a story attached to that
> one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it?
>
> Why?
>
> Monks was more than an interactive presentation. There were 2 applications
> -- a Journal and an e-book reader -- built-in, in addition to the
> interactive presentation. Since we didn't want the user to have to have
> enough memory to run 3 Revolution standalones at the same time (this was
> planned out in last millennium) we put the Rev engine into one of the
> standalone's -- so they would have to only have two standalones open at
> most.
>
> So, the Rev engine in the Journal runs the interactive presentation and the
> journal application. If you open the Journal app you go straight into the
> sophisticated Journaling application, if you open the document you go
> straight into the Cloister and the interactive presentation.
>
> *** Colin -- I remember fondly a few of the things you said to me when we
> were building Monks like:
>
> "If Monks had Windows they'd jump out of them."
>
> ---- It turned out that with Revolution Windows development was a piece of
> cake. However, we were developing it at the same time that Revolution was
> working out its bugs with the Mac platform and Steve Jobs was jerking that
> platform around  every few month with a new version of OS X -- that changed
> the underpinnings of the OS.
>
> This is long, but, now I'm ready to tell the story. Just before the burning
> of the CD's a new version of Revolution came out with something we needed,
> but broke the perfectly sensible code we were using to launch Monks.
>
> So, Sarah, from this Revlist saved the launch by writing for us an
> Applescript that relied of our Monks creator code to launch Monks. And, I
> thought, why throw away the old launcher, I think I'll just leave it on the
> CD-ROM and call it "the back-up launcher" even though it stopped working.
> Maybe someday it will work again...
>
> And that, is really a nutty way to think. However, five years later, Snow
> Leopard stop recognizing Creator Codes and Sarah's AppleScript stopped
> working. Then I checked the Back-up launcher...
>
> and it worked!!!!
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Do you know that the launcher file is a Unix document, and not an
> > application?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Brian
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 19:53:52 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:53:52 -0500
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
	<849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB8F895B-55FF-41D3-8F0A-A473D50398D1@verizon.net>

On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Brian Thomas <insidepocket at gmail.com> wrote:

> is a story attached to that
> one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it?
>

Well, double clicking on it brings up a dialog asking me which program  
to use. As it's a Unix document, should I use Terminal?




From insidepocket at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 20:33:35 2010
From: insidepocket at gmail.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:33:35 -0800
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <FB8F895B-55FF-41D3-8F0A-A473D50398D1@verizon.net>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
	<849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB8F895B-55FF-41D3-8F0A-A473D50398D1@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <849418031001041733x3282b4ffm6b2e260bb9ca2ef5@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone else having having trouble getting the OS X version to launch?

I just double-click on the "new launcher" in the If Monks had Macs folder
and it launches Monks everytime. Works from the doc, too.



On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Brian Thomas <insidepocket at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  is a story attached to that
>> one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it?
>>
>>
> Well, double clicking on it brings up a dialog asking me which program to
> use. As it's a Unix document, should I use Terminal?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
Brian


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  4 20:35:45 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:35:45 -0600
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <849418031001041733x3282b4ffm6b2e260bb9ca2ef5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
	<849418031001041557m7aa83fadu381d5a3b09cbecca@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB8F895B-55FF-41D3-8F0A-A473D50398D1@verizon.net>
	<849418031001041733x3282b4ffm6b2e260bb9ca2ef5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94851638-7FAD-4455-96DE-B1099FCD6CC1@earthlink.net>

Lauches OK for me.  Thanks for the download, Brian!

On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Brian Thomas wrote:

> Is anyone else having having trouble getting the OS X version to  
> launch?
>
> I just double-click on the "new launcher" in the If Monks had Macs  
> folder
> and it launches Monks everytime. Works from the doc, too.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Brian Thomas <insidepocket at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> is a story attached to that
>>> one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it?
>>>
>>>
>> Well, double clicking on it brings up a dialog asking me which  
>> program to
>> use. As it's a Unix document, should I use Terminal?
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
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From insidepocket at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 21:51:56 2010
From: insidepocket at gmail.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:51:56 -0800
Subject: Does Rev Ltd. still have a PR forwarding service?
Message-ID: <849418031001041851m505ed760le1003f43816201e7@mail.gmail.com>

When Monks was released Runrve had a service which would send your
Revolution related press release out to a hundred places. If they still do
that does anyone know who to contact to access that service>

-- 
Brian


From edljr at mac.com  Mon Jan  4 21:58:20 2010
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:58:20 -0600
Subject: Does Rev Ltd. still have a PR forwarding service?
In-Reply-To: <849418031001041851m505ed760le1003f43816201e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <849418031001041851m505ed760le1003f43816201e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DF71E73-46BF-4DEE-BA63-5BDD0CF51327@mac.com>

Hi Brian,

Here is the contact data you asked about.



Samantha Steinwinder
Office: 206.760.9809
Mobile: 206.713.6983
samantha at conceptpr.net
www.conceptpr.net
LinkedIn Profile
Twitter


Ed


On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Brian Thomas wrote:

> When Monks was released Runrve had a service which would send your
> Revolution related press release out to a hundred places. If they  
> still do
> that does anyone know who to contact to access that service>
>
> -- 
> Brian
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Mon Jan  4 22:44:48 2010
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:44:48 -0800
Subject: AnimationEngine and Creating Icons in Photoshop...?
Message-ID: <50E46D9E-B685-44F5-8197-F9D43297B997@mac.com>

DISCLAIMER: This question is targeting Malte Brill and is more Photoshop related then Rev...however I thought it might be useful for others, so here goes...

I've been experimenting with Animation Engine, and have been creating some icons that work as levers, odd shaped dials, etc. etc.

Using some of the nice functions that Malte has created and his excellent examples I can set the icon ID of button to give the illusion of these icons turning. 

However, the hard part seems creating the 360 icon representations for the animations and such. I have access to Adobe CS3 (PS, Fireworks, Illus, etc.) but I'm no expert in any of these apps, especially when it comest to automating processes.

In PhotoShop I can create Actions however, doing something like...create layer, rotate 1 degree, copy layer, repeat, repeat, 360 times, does not seem to be in my range of expertise :-)

Malte, or any of the other graphic experts (Scott R., Richard G.),  Do you have any sites or tips you can point me to for automating the creation of images for animations and icons?

Thank you!

John Patten


From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon Jan  4 23:36:25 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:36:25 -0800
Subject: Attaching files to a document like a file system
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001040851q43012eaal17504d672b8de629@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001040851q43012eaal17504d672b8de629@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8DE8D1F-0708-4BA9-A899-7026B37F9CF4@mac.com>

Good question.

A number of users have asked for the ability to store documents in InfoWallet. These could be anything from pictures or medical image scans to Word or PDF documents for Power of Attorney, Wills, Contracts, etc. The requests have been to have them together with their other information in their "wallet" and to have them encrypted.

I was thinking that I could simply store them in custom properties in their existing data file (i.e. Wallet file). While that would work fine for a small number of documents it would become unwieldy with either many or very large documents. Long before they would reach the 4 GB limit for a stack file (InfoWallet stores its data in a stack file) saving the entire file would take much too long on a USB attached flash drive.

Instead of doing that I was thinking of either cloning a small stack for each document and compressing, encrypting, and adding the document to the custom property of that stack or even more directly just compressing and encrypting the document at the file system in a folder. Either of these would work cross platform. While it wouldn't be a big deal to have the user "import" the document and I process it, exporting or viewing the document would be a multi-step process 1) Decrypt, uncompress, and export the file to the disk, 2) opening the file. This would be additional steps and would leave the unprotected file on the file system.

Perhaps there is a way to do this transparently directly from the program without saving a copy to the disk but I can't think of it. Opening a document that comes via email or web download appears to do this but in actuality they download and store a copy of the actual document somewhere on disk and then open it.

Encrypt-stick software (https://www.encrypt-stick.com/) creates "disk image" type vaults that behave like a password protected, encrypted disk and I thought that was kind of cool but I can't figure out how to do that in Rev. You can create this kind of thing on the Mac with Disk Tools creating an encrypted and password protected disk image but it won't work on Windows or Linux. Since they create a disk-like storage system other programs can open or save directly to it or the user can copy to or from it.

I don't need that level of functionality but it would be good to make the viewing and/or exporting to disk of a stored document a one-step clickable process that doesn't expose the file to the file system.

Bill Vlahos


On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Bill, are you asking that your app InfoWallet should use it's
> open/save dialogs to look into some stack/datastore to open/save the
> file? If so, then I believe that is possible, but maybe not with Rev
> as it currently works.  It would require that the Rev file IO code
> should be able to hook into some kind of Virtual File System e.g. a
> custom property set of a stack, or maybe even a relational database.
> 
> If your asking that other apps should be able to open/save documents
> to InfoWallet, then I think that maybe be very difficult.  The only
> way I can think for you to do that is to look at impliment something
> like a webdav/ftp server within your app.  But even if that works, it
> would require mappying the OS filesystem such that the filesystem was
> talking to your in-built server.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
>> I want to add the ability to store documents encrypted in InfoWallet. I can figure out how to simply add them either to a custom property or just encrypt on disk. It would be great to be able to treat the storage like a disk instead of attached files that can be imported and exported where you can open-from and save-to them and copy to and from it.
>> 
>> Apple's Disk Tools can create these types of disk images that can be encrypted but they only work on the Mac.
>> 
>> Any ideas on how this can be done in Rev that works cross platform?
>> 
>> 
>> Bill Vlahos
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue Jan  5 00:23:52 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:23:52 -1000
Subject: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work - fixed mac
In-Reply-To: <C767BC2A.CE9E7%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C767BC2A.CE9E7%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <4B42CCE8.1000903@hindu.org>

Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
> 
> Aha, was mistake in RELEASE build. FIXED.
> Mac archive uploaded once again 5 min ago.
> 
> Tested on clean MAC, works.
> 


OK things are looking better, you might update your notes to tell us all 
that the init string (to add the win and mac serial numbers) is now in 
the START button..

found it.

But I am unable to save the demo

and after looking thru some o the demo scripts  finallly

executing at 7:20:43 PM
Type	DEMO time is over.
Object	START
Line	get 
franklin3D_Init("F3DRV-W-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX","F3DRV-MXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX") 
-- First parameter - serial number for Windows version and second for Mac OS
Hint	DEMO time is over.

hmmmm








From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jan  5 00:47:53 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:47:53 -0800
Subject: AnimationEngine and Creating Icons in Photoshop...?
In-Reply-To: <50E46D9E-B685-44F5-8197-F9D43297B997@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C7681289.46E03%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, John Patten wrote:

> I've been experimenting with Animation Engine, and have been creating some
> icons that work as levers, odd shaped dials, etc. etc.
>
> Using some of the nice functions that Malte has created and his excellent
> examples I can set the icon ID of button to give the illusion of these icons
> turning. 
> 
> However, the hard part seems creating the 360 icon representations for the
> animations and such. I have access to Adobe CS3 (PS, Fireworks, Illus, etc.)
> but I'm no expert in any of these apps, especially when it comest to
> automating processes.
> 
> In PhotoShop I can create Actions however, doing something like...create
> layer, rotate 1 degree, copy layer, repeat, repeat, 360 times, does not seem
> to be in my range of expertise :-)
> 
> Malte, or any of the other graphic experts (Scott R., Richard G.),  Do you
> have any sites or tips you can point me to for automating the creation of
> images for animations and icons?

Well since you asked, I'll offer a response for what it's worth...

First, I would never create 360 images for dial rotation -- that's way too
many images, and even without knowing exactly what you're doing, I doubt
you'd be able to see much difference in anything finer than say 60 to 120
increments.

Unless your "composite" image employs some special shading that needs to
stay oriented at a specific angle, you might be able to use one image and
set its angle as needed.   Even if your situation does require the use of
multiple images, there's got to be a more efficient option than using 360
separate images.

On a dial, for example, you might make only one graphic tick mark rotate,
while keeping the base image static.  And if you used a circular tick mark,
you can simply set its position radially around the dial and don't even have
to mess with rotation at all.  Or you could create a series of graphic tick
marks positioned radially around a base image, and set the
opacity/blendLevel/backColor of the "active" tick based on the implied
rotation of the dial (think of the OS X timer icon that consists of a series
of 12 radial tick marks that "spin" and yet don't really spin -- motion is
implied by changing the opacity/color of the tick marks).

Hopefully the above illustrates that there are many ways to create dials and
levers.  If you have a specific control you're trying to create, post it
somewhere and we could take a look.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Jan  5 01:47:12 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:47:12 +0100
Subject: Exagofon
In-Reply-To: <5C40F17E-D751-4624-98FF-E4B102BBA72E@twft.com>
References: <4BD50376-77E3-4A83-8A6B-AF00106F428A@numericable.com>
	<5C40F17E-D751-4624-98FF-E4B102BBA72E@twft.com>
Message-ID: <0B922A4A-0811-46B8-94D5-1FBF06180C4C@numericable.com>

Bob,
Yes, I play it, now, with a pen tablet/screen Wacom Cintiq but I am waiting a screen/tablet multitouch...
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 4 janv. 2010 ? 23:05, Bob Sneidar a ?crit :

> Combine that with a touch screen and gestures and you really have something there. 
> 
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
> 
> 
> On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> Bonjour ? tous (Hello everybody),
>> I wish you a happy new year (bonne ann?e, bonne sant? !)
>> For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress.
>> There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube :
>> part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo
>> part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc
>> part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc
>> Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !).
>> It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!)
>> All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh).
>> I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed.
>> Bons souvenirs de Paris
>> Ren?
>> 
>> 
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Jan  5 02:10:40 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 02:10:40 -0500
Subject: [ANN] libGrowl 1.3.0
Message-ID: <111EC554-EA9F-48E4-A6C8-D3B1C5D0841D@wehostmacs.com>

Just re-released the Growl library and it has been streamlined to make  
it easier to use.. This library makes use of AppleScript to work with  
Growl..


Check if the Growl system is installed and running:
	growlIsAvailable()

To send a notification to the Growl system:
	growlNotify <applicationName>, <growlTitle>, <growlDescription>


For more information and to download < www.shaosean.tk >


-Sean


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Jan  5 02:22:25 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:22:25 +0100
Subject: Attaching files to a document like a file system
In-Reply-To: <E8DE8D1F-0708-4BA9-A899-7026B37F9CF4@mac.com>
References: <D60E7F69-F472-461D-842B-9E5AF19DB674@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001040851q43012eaal17504d672b8de629@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8DE8D1F-0708-4BA9-A899-7026B37F9CF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <16713784-DA85-4D1F-9286-1305A4658990@ezpzapps.com>


On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> exporting or viewing the document would be a multi-step process 1)  
> Decrypt, uncompress, and export the file to the disk, 2) opening the  
> file. This would be additional steps and would leave the unprotected  
> file on the file system.
>
> Perhaps there is a way to do this transparently directly from the  
> program without saving a copy to the disk but I can't think of it.  
> Opening a document that comes via email or web download appears to  
> do this but in actuality they download and store a copy of the  
> actual document somewhere on disk and then open it.

While this might not be a complete solution, maybe it helps: When you  
open a document open it as a temp file so at least the file is not  
easily grabbed. When your app closes, or maybe even when a viewer in  
your app closes or goes to a new item, have it also write over that  
temp file with gibberish, or simply have the temp file deleted.

I did that for an app that played videos that were compressed and  
saved as custom properties - then reopened as temp files and played.

sims


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 06:30:20 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:30:20 +0000
Subject: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
In-Reply-To: <C76803E5.CEA3F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <2110581C-0820-4E99-83C6-DDC0CB120453@twft.com>
	<C76803E5.CEA3F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001050330v57348586x87c19fd79ee48c5e@mail.gmail.com>

I have to agree with Ruslan on this (but perhaps from a different
perspective).

Monty's call to arms just seems bizarre and under-handed.  MySQL was
never really free (unlike Postgres or Firebird or Sqlite).  He sold
MySQL to Sun and became very rich.  Now he wants to claim that Oracle
is a threat to free software, when MySQL was the least free of the
free databases.  There are several equally good or better alternatives
to MySQL.  There are several equally good or better commercial
alternatives to MySQL.  Microsoft got away with it's 90+% dominance of
desktop computers and office software for the best part of twenty
years, and it wasn't the Competition Commission that reduced
Microsoft's market share.

But we have a hard time predicting t the future.  Who knows what
Oracle will do.  That is one of the problems with having to pay
run-time licenses.  The developer is effectively a hostage to fortune.
 In some ways MySQL might be better off with Oracle.  After all, they
went to the trouble of buying the various storage engines for MySQL,
something which MySQL AB never bothered to do.  Paying MySQL customers
might be much happier to have all that technology owned and secured by
one company.

I certainly wouldn't consider developing a project now that was
dependent on future versions of MySQL being available with the current
(pseudo-)free licensing.  Even if you are happy distributing the
current version of MySQL with your app (and on the server), and paying
the licenses costs, there is no saying what those costs might be in
the future.  That is what was so underhand about the way in which
MySQL was marketed as free-in-some-circumstances.

I think on is better to consider Sqlite or Valentina client-side, and
Postgresql server-side  (I don't know enough about Valentina server to
offer an opinion about the suitability of that option.)  And if you
want to have the 'same db' on both the client and the server then use
a data-abstraction layer like SQL Yoga.  I believe that Sean Shao is
also working on some kind of abstraction layer.

Then you can swap out one database for another, and (hopefully) the
abstraction layer will take care of any differences.

As a fan of Firebird, I was advocating years ago that RunRev produce
drivers for that database.  That way one could run that same
completely free, fully-transactional, multi-version concurrency
control, fully-acid compliant db technology as both an embedded
database and a multi-user server database.

Bernard

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin
<ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com> wrote:
> Well, this is wave of cry raised by author of mySQL some weeks ago.
> You can find site with his letter on few languages.
> And you can read comments of people to him on this.
>
> Many people say that they support him,
> But exists IMO adequate comments which point something like this:
>
> ? ?Hey man, you have SOLD your baby for billion of cache to Sun.
> ? ?This means you have loose control over it.
> ? ?Do not try now return control back. This is not fair game.


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Tue Jan  5 11:03:48 2010
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:03:48 -0800
Subject: Math ML
Message-ID: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>

Does anybody have a way to render Math ML in a RunRev stack?  This is  
a type of HTML used in education to show math symbols.  It's usually  
embedded in HTML.  (Setting the htmlText of a field doesn't work.)   
I'll include a small example of Math ML below.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

__________________________

<html>
<body>
<p><span><b>The following is a life cycle of what organism?<br></ 
br><br></br></b></span><div><span><b><m:math xmlns:m="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML 
"><m:mrow><m:mtext>Egg</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext><m:mtext>Larva</ 
m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</ 
m:mo><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext><m:mtext>Pupa</ 
m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>Adult</ 
m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext></m:mrow></m:math></b></span></ 
div></p>
</body>
</html>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Jan  5 08:10:41 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:10:41 +0100
Subject: Math ML
In-Reply-To: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>
References: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <EB0CAAE3-B885-4EA4-A6CC-05A0705497C4@economy-x-talk.com>

Ray,

Render it in a browser object and export a screenshot of object, using  
the revBrowser external.

It is also possible to use a command line utility, such as webkit2png.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
M: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
P: +31 6 81 35 17 10
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 5 jan 2010, om 17:03 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven:

> Does anybody have a way to render Math ML in a RunRev stack?  This  
> is a type of HTML used in education to show math symbols.  It's  
> usually embedded in HTML.  (Setting the htmlText of a field doesn't  
> work.)  I'll include a small example of Math ML below.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> __________________________
>
> <html>
> <body>
> <p><span><b>The following is a life cycle of what organism?<br></ 
> br><br></br></b></span><div><span><b><m:math xmlns:m="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML 
> "><m:mrow><m:mtext>Egg</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
> m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
> m:mtext><m:mtext>Larva</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
> m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext><m:mtext>Pupa</ 
> m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</ 
> m:mo><m:mtext>Adult</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext></m:mrow></ 
> m:math></b></span></div></p>
> </body>
> </html>




From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 09:07:06 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:07:06 +0000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <C760F7E8.2192%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C760F7E8.2192%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001050607t3f1285efs374f1d89c19148b2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hershel,

Sorry I didn't see your post until now (it went into my spam folder -
thanks Google!)

The way to work with remote shells is with rsh or ssh.  I'm assuming
that your client platform is os x or linux, and your server platform
is linux.

What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
program?

Bernard

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
> Hi, I?d like to write an admin gui for hylafax+, any advise on how to issue
> remote shell commands?
> As well how to write multiple arguments via shell?
> Thanks, Hershel


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 09:11:44 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:11:44 +0000
Subject: Opening a doc in a cd or fld
In-Reply-To: <C760F809.2192%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C760F809.2192%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001050611i5918f6fy7e617add29c0d768@mail.gmail.com>

The only way I can think this might be possible is with a revBrowser
instance where IE or Safari has been configured to open the document
inside the browser.  On Linux I've seen Firefox open OOO docs inside
the browser window; on Windows I've seen Acrobat do the same thing
with PDFs opening in the browser window.  I rarely use Windows or OS X
these days, so I cannot say if Firefox works with OOO in a similar way
on Windows.

Of course, there is no revBrowser on Linux, so I can't test this.,

Bernard

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
> Hi, is there a way to open a document,doc, pages, pdf, xls and so on in a
> stack, card or fld?
> Thanks, Hershel


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Jan  5 09:39:35 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:35 +0100
Subject: VideoGrabber on Windows
Message-ID: <38E2347F-7711-4892-8CDD-C734479919C2@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

I am currently trying to make the videograbber work on Windows 7.

I have a brandnew "Cheapnis" PC with Windows 7 Premium Home
to test this. The only other newly installed software is Rev 4 and
QuickTime 7x, latest version for Windows.

What I found so far is extremely disappointing.

All tests were made with the "Video Capture.rev" test stack from Rev.

1. QuickTime:
When trying to:
...
revInitializeVideoGrabber the short name of this stack, "QT",the rect of img "video" of cd 1
answer the result 
## = Cannot load video component
...

I already bugzillaed this:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8465>

2. Video for Windows:
This works in general, but I found that one cannot save the current settings, which works fine on a Mac:
...
local myVar
revVideoGrabSettings "myVar"
answer (myVar = empty)
## Gives me TRUE!!!
...

So this way I cannot save/load settings :-/

Anyone working with the videograbber successfully on Windows 7?
If yes, with QuickTime or VfW?
Any opinions, hints or comfort? ;-)

Believe it or not, its official:
The videograbber is also supposed to work in Revlets!!!!
Isn't this amazing? Anyone dared this yet? :-D


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan  5 09:39:55 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:39:55 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
Message-ID: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>

Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file on  
revOnline via script???

It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for  
transferring data via NSUrl.

There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create them.

(on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would  
still have to populate them online)

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html








From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  5 09:59:53 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:59:53 -0200
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001050659v452176b8i2be611e7e698a84c@mail.gmail.com>

aren't plists just funny xml files? Open one on your favorite text editor
(which should be tText or TextMate) and see if they carry anything that
can't be generated by revXML

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>wrote:

> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file on
> revOnline via script???
>
> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for
> transferring data via NSUrl.
>
> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create them.
>
> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would still
> have to populate them online)
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Tue Jan  5 13:04:49 2010
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:04:49 -0800
Subject: Math ML
In-Reply-To: <EB0CAAE3-B885-4EA4-A6CC-05A0705497C4@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>
	<EB0CAAE3-B885-4EA4-A6CC-05A0705497C4@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <56FA92E9-108F-404E-A6DE-FCC2A9DE33C2@LinkIt.Com>

Mark, much thanks.  I should have thought of the revBrowser idea.

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Ray,
>
> Render it in a browser object and export a screenshot of object,  
> using the revBrowser external.
>
> It is also possible to use a command line utility, such as webkit2png.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> M: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
> P: +31 6 81 35 17 10
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for  
> new projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without  
> any further obligations
> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
>
> Op 5 jan 2010, om 17:03 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Does anybody have a way to render Math ML in a RunRev stack?  This  
>> is a type of HTML used in education to show math symbols.  It's  
>> usually embedded in HTML.  (Setting the htmlText of a field doesn't  
>> work.)  I'll include a small example of Math ML below.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>>
>> __________________________
>>
>> <html>
>> <body>
>> <p><span><b>The following is a life cycle of what organism?<br></ 
>> br><br></br></b></span><div><span><b><m:math xmlns:m="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML 
>> "><m:mrow><m:mtext>Egg</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
>> m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
>> m:mtext><m:mtext>Larva</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
>> m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
>> m:mtext><m:mtext>Pupa</m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</ 
>> m:mtext><m:mo>&rarr;</m:mo><m:mtext>Adult</ 
>> m:mtext><m:mtext>&thinsp;</m:mtext></m:mrow></m:math></b></span></ 
>> div></p>
>> </body>
>> </html>
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Jan  5 10:10:23 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:10:23 -0500
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6173563C-7F88-4FF4-8500-5C316B230CBD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <824E504E-7613-48A4-A2BC-8DA928EBA033@verizon.net>

Things are ok now. The folder needs to be copied to Applications, I may have run it straight from the DMG.




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 10:25:22 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:25:22 -0800
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>


On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file  
> on revOnline via script???
>
> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
> for transferring data via NSUrl.
>
> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
> them.
>
> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would  
> still have to populate them online)


you can run a shell script in Rev that converts a file sitting on your  
hard drive from binary, then edit, then convert it back again

plutil -convert xml1 Project
open -a TextEdit Project

--edit the file, then File - Save
--then run
plutil -convert binary1 Project

or use BBEdit 9 that opens the plist binary in readable xml, then  
saves in the binary format automatically.

or as Andre said about 18 months ago

Folks,

This page here < http://tomeklof.googlepages.com/aapl > has a list of
useful command line tools unique for Mac OS X. For example did anyone
here knew about plutil to convert plists to plain xml and back?

Andre



Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 10:56:08 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:56:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Array name from a variable
Message-ID: <1262706968968-999105.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Yesterday, i was looking for a way to
create an array using a name stored
in a variable. But i was unable to found
a way to do this.

Look at this example:

   put word 2 to 4 of tInput into tNewArrayName
   replace space with "_" in tNewArrayName
   -- Word 2 to 4 could be, for example: (First data container)
   -- These 4 words become 1 word, like this: (First_data_container)
   -- This is the name that i need to use as an array name
   -- but the following line fails and overwrite array name

   put "data 0001" into tNewArrayName["uno"]

   -- Now the variable tNewArrayName is an array but,
   -- i want to convert the content of tNewArrayName 
   -- in this example, (First_data_container), in an array name

 Thanks in advance.
Happy 2010 for each one! :-)

Alejandro
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 11:02:46 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:02:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Math ML
In-Reply-To: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>
References: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <1262707366325-999110.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Looking Math ML examples from those two webpages:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-MathML2-20010221/chapter2.html#fund_examples
http://www.mathmlcentral.com/Tools/FromMathML.jsp

Noticed that there are more than one way to render 
the same Math ML code.

Why Math ML accepts as valid different representation
of these formulas?

Alejandro
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  5 11:05:32 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:05:32 -0200
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com> 
	<B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001050805p2ca256d0tb1e125760f74da82@mail.gmail.com>

I said that??!

good thing, I forgot about those tools... sometimes I wish I had spotlight
search for my memory, I remember a lot of useless stuff by heart and forgot
a lot of things I need... lol...

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>  Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file on
>> revOnline via script???
>>
>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for
>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>
>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create them.
>>
>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would still
>> have to populate them online)
>>
>
>
> you can run a shell script in Rev that converts a file sitting on your hard
> drive from binary, then edit, then convert it back again
>
> plutil -convert xml1 Project
> open -a TextEdit Project
>
> --edit the file, then File - Save
> --then run
> plutil -convert binary1 Project
>
> or use BBEdit 9 that opens the plist binary in readable xml, then saves in
> the binary format automatically.
>
> or as Andre said about 18 months ago
>
> Folks,
>
> This page here < http://tomeklof.googlepages.com/aapl > has a list of
> useful command line tools unique for Mac OS X. For example did anyone
> here knew about plutil to convert plists to plain xml and back?
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 11:18:01 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:18:01 +0100
Subject: Array name from a variable
In-Reply-To: <1262706968968-999105.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1262706968968-999105.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001050818g4a622addyf49afd0d6bb27af4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alejandro,

Happy new year to you too ;)


Try this:

do "put" && quote & "data 0001" & quote && "into" && tNewArrayName &
"["& quote & "uno" & quote &"]"

Hope this helps.

-Zryip the Slug- wish you the best! 8)

2010/1/5 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday, i was looking for a way to
> create an array using a name stored
> in a variable. But i was unable to found
> a way to do this.
>
> Look at this example:
>
> ? put word 2 to 4 of tInput into tNewArrayName
> ? replace space with "_" in tNewArrayName
> ? -- Word 2 to 4 could be, for example: (First data container)
> ? -- These 4 words become 1 word, like this: (First_data_container)
> ? -- This is the name that i need to use as an array name
> ? -- but the following line fails and overwrite array name
>
> ? put "data 0001" into tNewArrayName["uno"]
>
> ? -- Now the variable tNewArrayName is an array but,
> ? -- i want to convert the content of tNewArrayName
> ? -- in this example, (First_data_container), in an array name
>
> ?Thanks in advance.
> Happy 2010 for each one! :-)
>
> Alejandro
> --
> View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Array-name-from-a-variable-tp999105p999105.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 11:36:20 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Array name from a variable
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001050818g4a622addyf49afd0d6bb27af4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262706968968-999105.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<64bda6471001050818g4a622addyf49afd0d6bb27af4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262709380678-999138.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Zryip,

Yes, you are correct.
Using "Do" actually creates
an array variable with the
name requested. :-D

But the example the i posted
using parentheses fails:
(First_data_container)
this works fine:
First_data_container

Now, How could i make a copy
of this new array?

Thanks a lot for your help!

Alejandro

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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan  5 13:11:47 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:47 -0800
Subject: Great new feature!
Message-ID: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>

Hi Jerry. Fantastic new feature, these tags. I like to pseudo code what I am going to do first, and then refine the code later. It helps me map out complex procedures that, despite Rev's easily readable code, are still difficult to grasp once I put a lot of code down. 

The tags give me a quick glance at what I am trying to do and where I am at. Also, I put an asterisk (--> *test tag) before the sections that still need work, so I can tell at a glance what still needs to be done and go right to it! 

Bob

From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan  5 13:37:51 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:37:51 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1A09ACDF-E73A-483C-809F-2971ED28E634@mac.com>

Thanks for the plutil and other suggestions which are good for the  
desktop, but I was wondering about doing this via iRev scripts online.

I can create and populate a pList on my desktop with textWrangler and  
use xcode to convert back to binary for inclusion with my iPhone app.  
What I want is a way using iRev scripts to create one on on-rev and if  
not that then at least via iRev scripts to modify an existing one.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file  
>> on revOnline via script???
>>
>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
>> for transferring data via NSUrl.
>>
>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>> them.
>>
>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would  
>> still have to populate them online)
>
>
> you can run a shell script in Rev that converts a file sitting on  
> your hard drive from binary, then edit, then convert it back again
>
> plutil -convert xml1 Project
> open -a TextEdit Project
>
> --edit the file, then File - Save
> --then run
> plutil -convert binary1 Project
>
> or use BBEdit 9 that opens the plist binary in readable xml, then  
> saves in the binary format automatically.
>
> or as Andre said about 18 months ago
>
> Folks,
>
> This page here < http://tomeklof.googlepages.com/aapl > has a list of
> useful command line tools unique for Mac OS X. For example did anyone
> here knew about plutil to convert plists to plain xml and back?
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan  5 15:09:14 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:09:14 +0100
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
References: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>

Hi,

I have a stack loading and rescaling big pictures (12 megapixels or more) by setting their filename and then their size. The user can choose their resizequality, and with "best" the process is rather slow, the final size being as big as possible. My question: how to link an "honest"  progress bar to this process ? It's only one line of code: set the rect of image "X" to..., and I do not see where to check the actual progress.

Thank you for every idea

Jacques

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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  5 15:32:30 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:32:30 -0200
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <1A09ACDF-E73A-483C-809F-2971ED28E634@mac.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com> 
	<B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>
	<1A09ACDF-E73A-483C-809F-2971ED28E634@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001051232y6de0aa94j6d3b69c3a3bd4e57@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

why a plist on on-rev? The system is linux...

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the plutil and other suggestions which are good for the desktop,
> but I was wondering about doing this via iRev scripts online.
>
> I can create and populate a pList on my desktop with textWrangler and use
> xcode to convert back to binary for inclusion with my iPhone app. What I
> want is a way using iRev scripts to create one on on-rev and if not that
> then at least via iRev scripts to modify an existing one.
>
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>
>>  Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file on
>>> revOnline via script???
>>>
>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for
>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>
>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create them.
>>>
>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would still
>>> have to populate them online)
>>>
>>
>>
>> you can run a shell script in Rev that converts a file sitting on your
>> hard drive from binary, then edit, then convert it back again
>>
>> plutil -convert xml1 Project
>> open -a TextEdit Project
>>
>> --edit the file, then File - Save
>> --then run
>> plutil -convert binary1 Project
>>
>> or use BBEdit 9 that opens the plist binary in readable xml, then saves in
>> the binary format automatically.
>>
>> or as Andre said about 18 months ago
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> This page here < http://tomeklof.googlepages.com/aapl > has a list of
>> useful command line tools unique for Mac OS X. For example did anyone
>> here knew about plutil to convert plists to plain xml and back?
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  5 15:35:07 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:35:07 -0200
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
References: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com> 
	<56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001051235u16873294h3cb77ecc1f820930@mail.gmail.com>

Jacques,

Revolution is single tread so you will not be able to move your progress bar
while the resizing is working for an individual file, only in the little
intervals between each file resize. One trick is setting the cursor to
watch, this will spin an hourglass which I think will keep spining during
the process, but to measure the resizing while it is happening, I don't
think this is possible.

Cheers
andre

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Jacques Hausser <jacques.hausser at unil.ch>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a stack loading and rescaling big pictures (12 megapixels or more)
> by setting their filename and then their size. The user can choose their
> resizequality, and with "best" the process is rather slow, the final size
> being as big as possible. My question: how to link an "honest"  progress bar
> to this process ? It's only one line of code: set the rect of image "X"
> to..., and I do not see where to check the actual progress.
>
> Thank you for every idea
>
> Jacques
>
> ******************************************
> Prof. Jacques Hausser
> Department of Ecology and Evolution
> Biophore / Sorge
> University of Lausanne
> CH 1015 Lausanne
> please use my private address:
> 6 route de Burtigny
> CH-1269 Bassins
> tel/fax:        ++ 41 22 366 19 40
> mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan  5 15:36:28 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:36:28 -0800
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
References: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
	<56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001051236i9a7ad5ex81e3a1378544c5b6@mail.gmail.com>

Graphic operations seem to be a blocker. Have you tried doing any 'send in
time' experiments to see if those will run during the operation? You could
at least create a spinning watch or some kind of indicator that something is
happening.  I know animated gifs won't run during any blocking operation.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/5 Jacques Hausser <jacques.hausser at unil.ch>

> Hi,
>
> I have a stack loading and rescaling big pictures (12 megapixels or more)
> by setting their filename and then their size. The user can choose their
> resizequality, and with "best" the process is rather slow, the final size
> being as big as possible. My question: how to link an "honest"  progress bar
> to this process ? It's only one line of code: set the rect of image "X"
> to..., and I do not see where to check the actual progress.
>
> Thank you for every idea
>
> Jacques
>
> ******************************************
> Prof. Jacques Hausser
> Department of Ecology and Evolution
> Biophore / Sorge
> University of Lausanne
> CH 1015 Lausanne
> please use my private address:
> 6 route de Burtigny
> CH-1269 Bassins
> tel/fax:        ++ 41 22 366 19 40
> mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24
> E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch
> *******************************************
>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Jan  5 15:34:00 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:34:00 +0100
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
References: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
	<56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <p0624080cc76951f1c181@[192.168.1.94]>

On 05.01.2010 at 21:09 Uhr +0100 Jacques Hausser apparently wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a stack loading and rescaling big pictures (12 megapixels or 
>more) by setting their filename and then their size. The user can 
>choose their resizequality, and with "best" the process is rather 
>slow, the final size being as big as possible. My question: how to 
>link an "honest"  progress bar to this process ? It's only one line 
>of code: set the rect of image "X" to..., and I do not see where to 
>check the actual progress.
>
>Thank you for every idea
>
>Jacques
>

You can't have the engine call your progress stack, so all you can do 
is to put up a small dialog window with something like 
"Rescaling...", call set the rect of image "X" to..., then close the 
dialog window. Set a cursor to watch as well.

Robert


From fmoyer at aol.com  Tue Jan  5 14:22:27 2010
From: fmoyer at aol.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:22:27 -0700
Subject: 65535 limit?
Message-ID: <AC8B6927-E833-4B16-8ABC-3D8A01021ABE@aol.com>

The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack  
is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to  
greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of  
the User's guide, the "Maximum size of an object" is given as  
"Unlimited". But I can't set the width of an object to greater than  
32767.

What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by  
making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100.  
However, if I try to make the rect of the stack "-32767, 10,  
32767,100" Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.

Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding  
something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac  
problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out  
of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/ 
ever change?

I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card  
that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The  
group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another.  
One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's  
HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many  
images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater  
than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while  
setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen.  
Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so  
if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/ 
comments?

Thanks.

Fred


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Jan  5 15:57:28 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:57:28 -0600
Subject: Great new feature!
In-Reply-To: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
References: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <D718BF2A-08F5-45EC-87F6-7C25C9914F71@me.com>

Bob,

That's an excellent application of the tRev handler tag feature! I'm  
learning from how you guys are using this. Very exciting!

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis

On Jan 5, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Hi Jerry. Fantastic new feature, these tags. I like to pseudo code  
> what I am going to do first, and then refine the code later. It  
> helps me map out complex procedures that, despite Rev's easily  
> readable code, are still difficult to grasp once I put a lot of code  
> down.
>
> The tags give me a quick glance at what I am trying to do and where  
> I am at. Also, I put an asterisk (--> *test tag) before the sections  
> that still need work, so I can tell at a glance what still needs to  
> be done and go right to it!
>
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan  5 16:26:06 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:26:06 +0100
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <p0624080cc76951f1c181@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <7B9B7FB9-1E18-4A2B-BA73-FB505586EEF8@twft.com>
	<56714507-6378-4C50-B821-E577A8D081B3@unil.ch>
	<p0624080cc76951f1c181@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <027BD13B-F08A-4A1A-8506-89AAB2A126E9@unil.ch>

Thanks, Andre,Stephen and Robert for your answers.

It is more or less what I guessed, but you never know.
[ I'm not sure it's correct in english... I don't mean that you don't know ;) ]
Stephen, I tried "send in time", but it is blocked too. 
I will probably turn to a mere "Please wait" or something like that.

Jacques

******************************************
Prof. Jacques Hausser
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 16:33:41 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:33:41 +0100
Subject: Array name from a variable
In-Reply-To: <1262709380678-999138.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1262706968968-999105.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<64bda6471001050818g4a622addyf49afd0d6bb27af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262709380678-999138.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001051333m5de42768v53b2960948819a2e@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I've not take care that you used parentheses in the name of your array.

However check your manual page 151.I quoted it:
"The names of variables must consist of a single word and may contain
any combination
of letters, digits, and underscores (_). The first character must be
either a letter or an
underscore. You cannot use any Revolution RevTalk language word as a name of a
variable".

() are operator, so you can't used it in a name of a variable.

To duplicate an array this is really trivial, put it into another
variable like this:
put First_data_container into myCopyOfFirst_data_container

2010/1/5 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Zryip,
>
> Yes, you are correct.
> Using "Do" actually creates
> an array variable with the
> name requested. :-D
>
> But the example the i posted
> using parentheses fails:
> (First_data_container)
> this works fine:
> First_data_container
>
> Now, How could i make a copy
> of this new array?

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 17:45:23 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:45:23 +1000
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file on
> revOnline via script???
>
> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for
> transferring data via NSUrl.
>
> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create them.
>
> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would still
> have to populate them online)


Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev

Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts in
here to modify them.
When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
anything other than stack hosting does it?
As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
command will not be available, as it is OS X only.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 18:12:04 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:12:04 -0800
Subject: 65535 limit?
In-Reply-To: <AC8B6927-E833-4B16-8ABC-3D8A01021ABE@aol.com>
References: <AC8B6927-E833-4B16-8ABC-3D8A01021ABE@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4810F2BE-9D67-45BE-AE93-D32291627488@yahoo.com>

Rather than worry about maximums and future changes that could hamper  
performance, why not make several smaller groups that 'overlap' in a  
collage of sorts, then move all the groups as one?
Maybe I am missing the point, so let me know.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:

> The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack  
> is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to  
> greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of  
> the User's guide, the "Maximum size of an object" is given as  
> "Unlimited". But I can't set the width of an object to greater than  
> 32767.
>
> What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by  
> making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100.  
> However, if I try to make the rect of the stack "-32767, 10,  
> 32767,100" Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.
>
> Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding  
> something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac  
> problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out  
> of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/ 
> ever change?
>
> I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card  
> that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The  
> group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another.  
> One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's  
> HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many  
> images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater  
> than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while  
> setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen.  
> Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so  
> if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/ 
> comments?



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Jan  5 22:47:24 2010
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:47:24 -0800
Subject: 65535 limit?
In-Reply-To: <AC8B6927-E833-4B16-8ABC-3D8A01021ABE@aol.com>
References: <AC8B6927-E833-4B16-8ABC-3D8A01021ABE@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49E3B474-68BC-499E-B9E4-D2E1042ECD4C@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Fred,

I don't have a solution for you but I ran into something once that sounds similar... I dug around and found a comment in one of my scripts: 

     "The vScroll of groups is limited at the engine level to 32780"

I'm not sure where I got this information or if it is still (or ever) valid.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------




On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:

> The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of the User's guide, the "Maximum size of an object" is given as "Unlimited". But I can't set the width of an object to greater than 32767.
> 
> What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100. However, if I try to make the rect of the stack "-32767, 10, 32767,100" Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.
> 
> Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/ever change?
> 
> I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another. One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen. Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/comments?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Fred
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 04:41:54 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:41:54 -0800
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>

Idea:
You could send the plist file to a Rev cgi running on OSX and it would  
return the result, or perhaps an iPhone app (as it might have plutil  
in its operating system)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III  
> <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file  
>> on
>> revOnline via script???
>>
>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for
>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>
>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>> them.
>>
>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would  
>> still
>> have to populate them online)
>
>
> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>
> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts in
> here to modify them.
> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
> anything other than stack hosting does it?
> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>






From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Wed Jan  6 05:03:46 2010
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:03:46 +0100
Subject: VideoGrabber on Windows
In-Reply-To: <38E2347F-7711-4892-8CDD-C734479919C2@major.on-rev.com>
References: <38E2347F-7711-4892-8CDD-C734479919C2@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <E0519F26-0BF8-47CC-8ECF-44F1ABFBFFCA@libero.it>

  Klaus Major writes:

> Believe it or not, its official:
> The videograbber is also supposed to work in Revlets!!!!
> Isn't this amazing? Anyone dared this yet? :-D



Hello Klaus,
where did you get this piece of information?
I had a look at runrev.com web site but I could not find it.

Do you know if the issue about audio compression in video grabber has  
been solved?

Referring to RQCC it is still unconfirmed. See..

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3712

Command RevSetVideoGrabAudio does not work in MacOSX.

It is not possible to set compression of the audio   and files  
recorded using
the Video Capture stack are too big.

I tryed to set recording audio using  command:

RevSetVideoGrabAudio true, "1", "8", "11025"

What I get, regardless of any setting,  is a big file with audio set to:

16-bit Intero (Endian grande), Mono, 48,000  kHz

I think this  is a bug of the revvideograbber external for MacOSx

Best regards

Paolo Mazza

From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Jan  6 05:35:46 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:35:46 +0000
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16C73C57-07E7-4B6A-A4B8-3536A818910C@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

If this is for On-Rev (which I believe can handle Perl) you could  
load plutil.pl on the server and have it convert to XML and Text:

http://scw.us/iPhone/plutil/

(Wikipedia 'Webarchive' for more infos).

Cheers,

Luis.



On 6 Jan 2010, at 09:41, Jim Ault wrote:

> Idea:
> You could send the plist file to a Rev cgi running on OSX and it  
> would return the result, or perhaps an iPhone app (as it might have  
> plutil in its operating system)
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III  
>> <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist  
>>> file on
>>> revOnline via script???
>>>
>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
>>> for
>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>
>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>>> them.
>>>
>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I  
>>> would still
>>> have to populate them online)
>>
>>
>> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
>> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>>
>> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts in
>> here to modify them.
>> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
>> anything other than stack hosting does it?
>> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
>> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>>
>
>
>
>
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>



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan  6 05:35:50 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:35:50 +0100
Subject: VideoGrabber on Windows
In-Reply-To: <E0519F26-0BF8-47CC-8ECF-44F1ABFBFFCA@libero.it>
References: <38E2347F-7711-4892-8CDD-C734479919C2@major.on-rev.com>
	<E0519F26-0BF8-47CC-8ECF-44F1ABFBFFCA@libero.it>
Message-ID: <A41A5792-3AEE-48A8-8487-81CDCB9F2DA3@major.on-rev.com>

Buongiorno Paolo,

> Klaus Major writes:
> 
>> Believe it or not, its official:
>> The videograbber is also supposed to work in Revlets!!!!
>> Isn't this amazing? Anyone dared this yet? :-D
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> where did you get this piece of information?
> I had a look at runrev.com web site but I could not find it.

You can see the "revvideograbber.bundle" inside of the "RevWebPlayer.app"
On OS X you can find it here:
../Library/Application Support/RunRev/revwebplayer/

And Kevin Miller mentioned it a couple of weeks before when the first version of the
plugin was published.

> Do you know if the issue about audio compression in video grabber has been solved?

Nothing has been solved concerning the VideoGrabber unfortunately!

> Referring to RQCC it is still unconfirmed. See..
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3712
> Command RevSetVideoGrabAudio does not work in MacOSX.

I know, I reported a lot of bugs concerning the videograbber external

> It is not possible to set compression of the audio   and files recorded using
> the Video Capture stack are too big.

Yep, one can alos not switch audio recording off, if you only wnat the video.

> I tryed to set recording audio using  command:
> RevSetVideoGrabAudio true, "1", "8", "11025"
> What I get, regardless of any setting,  is a big file with audio set to:
> 16-bit Intero (Endian grande), Mono, 48,000  kHz
> I think this  is a bug of the revvideograbber external for MacOSx

See above, obviously the mothership has other priorities (gradients, display of CMYK jpegs etc...)

> Best regards
> 
> Paolo Mazza

Ciao amico

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 06:05:36 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 03:05:36 -0800
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <16C73C57-07E7-4B6A-A4B8-3536A818910C@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
	<16C73C57-07E7-4B6A-A4B8-3536A818910C@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E5EF0EB6-B817-44B4-B849-FFCBA7ED2CAE@yahoo.com>

Thomas McGrath:   here are a couple Interesting web pages


http://www.dunnington.net/entry/data-driven-iphone-apps-with-property-lists-and-php


The plutil comes with Xcode development toolkit on Mac OS X. Erica  
Sadun has ported it to iPhone. This is a neat tool to process  
the .plist files.
The ported plutil is here: plutil for iPhone
http://george.insideiphone.com/index.php/2007/12/05/plutil-a-nifty-tool-to-edit-plist-files/



Google "plutil php"
and you will also find    plutil.exe for windows    on the listing.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Luis wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> If this is for On-Rev (which I believe can handle Perl) you could  
> load plutil.pl on the server and have it convert to XML and Text:
>
> http://scw.us/iPhone/plutil/
>
> (Wikipedia 'Webarchive' for more infos).
>
> On 6 Jan 2010, at 09:41, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> Idea:
>> You could send the plist file to a Rev cgi running on OSX and it  
>> would return the result, or perhaps an iPhone app (as it might have  
>> plutil in its operating system)
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist  
>>>> file on
>>>> revOnline via script???
>>>>
>>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
>>>> for
>>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>>
>>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I  
>>>> would still
>>>> have to populate them online)
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
>>> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts  
>>> in
>>> here to modify them.
>>> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
>>> anything other than stack hosting does it?
>>> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
>>> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>>>





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan  6 10:36:33 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:36:33 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
Message-ID: <4B44AE01.90103@fourthworld.com>

I'm making a custom installer in which I want to provide the option of a 
normal desktop install to the hard drive and a zero-footprint install to 
a removable USB drive (no registry entries, prefs stored in the app 
folder, etc.).

To help make this simple for the user I'd like to present a list of 
available USB drives if they choose that option, so they can pick the 
target for the install.

Phil Davis was kind enough to share some pointers in his libUsbDrive 
library (see <http://pdslabs.net/usb/index.html>), which has me 
exploring the use of shell calls on OS X to system_profiler, e.g.:

    get shell("system_profiler -xml SPUSBDataType")

While the info returned there contains a lot of very useful stuff, the 
one thing I'm not able to find is the name of the volume as it appears 
to the user on the desktop.

Well, sometimes, that is.

It seems that if I've named the drive in the Finder, the Volumes section 
of the data returned from that shell call is filled in, and includes the 
apparent name of the volume.

But drives which haven't been given a name on a Mac system appear on the 
desktop as "Untitled", and although the data from the system_profiler 
shows it as a removable drive there is no Volumes section included and 
hence no way to know the name of the drive as it appears to the user.

When there is is a Volumes section the _name key there shows the name as 
it appears in the Finder, but drives that have not explicitly been given 
a name appear as "Untitled" or "Untitled 1", etc., in the Finder and the 
corresponding _name key from system_profiler is something different (for 
example my card reader device has a _name value of "Generic USB2.0 card 
" in system_profiler, but on the desktop it appears as "Untitled 1").

Do any of you know a way I can use shell or AppleScript to obtain the 
apparent name of a removable drive when system_profiler fails to return it?

Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info on 
Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to 
work out the Linux side soon.

TIA -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Wed Jan  6 14:20:14 2010
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:20:14 -0800
Subject: Load URL Recursion and Automatic Updates Checker
In-Reply-To: <1262707366325-999110.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <C735239A-8B7B-4340-BAD3-5353CB81AC26@LinkIt.Com>
	<1262707366325-999110.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CF75A8B3-102C-4361-A238-EF496DFCBF8F@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings,

I used to get this error when launching documentation from the script  
editor window:

    "The handler: loadUrl has reached the recursion limit of 400,000   
Execution will be terminated to prevent hang"

Now after upgrading to 4.5 I get this error each time I open RunRev.   
I have a loadUrl handler in my main stack's script which is evidently  
getting called by RunRev since the url parameter which is passed,  
below, is something to do with checking for updates.  I can easily  
trap for this parameter coming in and exit the handler, but I thought  
I'd post this to see if anybody has any idea on where this is coming  
from, how to turn it off, or any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

________________________

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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan  6 12:25:57 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:25:57 +0100
Subject: VideoGrabber on Windows
In-Reply-To: <A41A5792-3AEE-48A8-8487-81CDCB9F2DA3@major.on-rev.com>
References: <38E2347F-7711-4892-8CDD-C734479919C2@major.on-rev.com>
	<E0519F26-0BF8-47CC-8ECF-44F1ABFBFFCA@libero.it>
	<A41A5792-3AEE-48A8-8487-81CDCB9F2DA3@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <90A0B402-D5DF-47B2-A093-793B447DBFDE@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

no other win user that work with the RevVideoGrabber
and wants to share her/his experiences?

Oh, c'mon folks! :-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 13:11:36 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:11:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: It's All Over Now
In-Reply-To: <90A0B402-D5DF-47B2-A093-793B447DBFDE@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

http://www.google.com/phone


      


From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Jan  6 13:18:55 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:18:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing
Message-ID: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com>


I have been working on a project that uses marked cards based on an user's
input. When the user selects a card or cards, they become marked for
printing. I want to add a page number at the bottom when printing the marked
cards.
There are around 70 cards which makes it very difficult to include page
numbers on the cards when printing since they may not be sequential. In my
situation, only about 6 to 11 cards would been selected by the user. Has
anybody developed a means of assigning page numbers to marked cards when
printing them as marked cards? 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 13:21:12 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:21:12 -0500
Subject: It's All Over Now
In-Reply-To: <314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6D443A98-1EF2-46DE-B8EF-8B9F066BDF49@verizon.net>


On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Michael Kann wrote:

> http://www.google.com/phone
> 


I imagine that in the time it takes Google to get to 3 billion app downloads, Apple may have more features on the iPhone.




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed Jan  6 13:36:10 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:36:10 -0500
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001050607t3f1285efs374f1d89c19148b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C76A424A.22E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

First of all thanks,


On 1/5/10 9:07 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Hershel,
> 
> The way to work with remote shells is with rsh or ssh.  I'm assuming
> that your client platform is os x or linux, and your server platform
> is linux.
My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
 
> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
> program?

I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a
continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means that
it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password
it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and
its done.
Now when I'll know how to do it in Rev, then I can develop the majority of
front end GUI's for server's, like the one I want to do now, a Hylafax+
admin and user client.

Thanks in advanced, Hershel
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I?d like to write an admin gui for hylafax+, any advise on how to issue
>> remote shell commands?
>> As well how to write multiple arguments via shell?
>> Thanks, Hershel
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 13:49:46 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:49:46 -0800
Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing
In-Reply-To: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net>

I would place a field on each card that you can populate just before you 
print

repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards
   put "Page" && x into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x
end repeat

--do your printing
--then clear the field:

repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards
   put empty into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x
end repeat
> I have been working on a project that uses marked cards based on an user's
> input. When the user selects a card or cards, they become marked for
> printing. I want to add a page number at the bottom when printing the marked
> cards.
> There are around 70 cards which makes it very difficult to include page
> numbers on the cards when printing since they may not be sequential. In my
> situation, only about 6 to 11 cards would been selected by the user. Has
> anybody developed a means of assigning page numbers to marked cards when
> printing them as marked cards? 
>   



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan  6 14:27:07 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:27:07 -0800
Subject: It's All Over Now
Message-ID: <4B44E40B.6030201@fourthworld.com>

Michael Kann wrote:
> http://www.google.com/phone

Looks like it's just the beginning.

Competition keeps everyone playing at their best.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From randall at randallreetz.com  Wed Jan  6 14:41:41 2010
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:41:41 -0800
Subject: It's All Over Now
Message-ID: <20100106194143.IVEU26518.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Hilarious, I guess what is over is a monopoly on large touch screen, app running, open API platforms?  But apple is the only company that understands the value of customer service.  Ever try to contact google?  I am not an apple slave with spiralling eyes, but google isn't exactly customer oriented.  If they win, it will only be as a result of an easier more open development path.  But apps have run their fad.  Johnny come lately.  I expected more.  But then again, google has made a science of offering the least and making it look like the most.  When you are the only god, you don't have to be the best.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: It's All Over Now

Michael Kann wrote:
> http://www.google.com/phone

Looks like it's just the beginning.

Competition keeps everyone playing at their best.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 15:04:30 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:04:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: It's All Over Now
In-Reply-To: <6D443A98-1EF2-46DE-B8EF-8B9F066BDF49@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <35168.60047.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I was being satirical. I apologize. 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: It's All Over Now
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:21 PM
> 
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Michael Kann wrote:
> 
> > http://www.google.com/phone
> > 
> 
> 
> I imagine that in the time it takes Google to get to 3
> billion app downloads, Apple may have more features on the
> iPhone.
> 
> 
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 15:29:03 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:29:03 -0500
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B44AE01.90103@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B44AE01.90103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A6199511-A09B-4B9F-86FC-68A11108840E@gmail.com>

FWIW, I was unable to find a way of getting the name of the currently- 
connected USB printer without asking the user when it is first  
encountered and storing the associated printername (as listed in the  
printer dialog under printers with available drivers). With printers  
there seems to be no way of fetching the user-chosen name of the  
device from any shell call for USB info, at least as far as I have  
been able to discover. But I am hardly knowledgeable about shell  
calls....

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jan 6, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'm making a custom installer in which I want to provide the option  
> of a normal desktop install to the hard drive and a zero-footprint  
> install to a removable USB drive (no registry entries, prefs stored  
> in the app folder, etc.).
>
> To help make this simple for the user I'd like to present a list of  
> available USB drives if they choose that option, so they can pick  
> the target for the install.
>
> Phil Davis was kind enough to share some pointers in his libUsbDrive  
> library (see <http://pdslabs.net/usb/index.html>), which has me  
> exploring the use of shell calls on OS X to system_profiler, e.g.:
>
>   get shell("system_profiler -xml SPUSBDataType")
>
> While the info returned there contains a lot of very useful stuff,  
> the one thing I'm not able to find is the name of the volume as it  
> appears to the user on the desktop.
>
> Well, sometimes, that is.
>
> It seems that if I've named the drive in the Finder, the Volumes  
> section of the data returned from that shell call is filled in, and  
> includes the apparent name of the volume.
>
> But drives which haven't been given a name on a Mac system appear on  
> the desktop as "Untitled", and although the data from the  
> system_profiler shows it as a removable drive there is no Volumes  
> section included and hence no way to know the name of the drive as  
> it appears to the user.
>
> When there is is a Volumes section the _name key there shows the  
> name as it appears in the Finder, but drives that have not  
> explicitly been given a name appear as "Untitled" or "Untitled 1",  
> etc., in the Finder and the corresponding _name key from  
> system_profiler is something different (for example my card reader  
> device has a _name value of "Generic USB2.0 card " in  
> system_profiler, but on the desktop it appears as "Untitled 1").
>
> Do any of you know a way I can use shell or AppleScript to obtain  
> the apparent name of a removable drive when system_profiler fails to  
> return it?
>
> Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info  
> on Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll  
> need to work out the Linux side soon.
>
> TIA -
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 15:31:00 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:31:00 +0000
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>
	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>

And boxed sets of RunRev Studio 4 . . .

I suppose everybody else has forgotten that the money they paid for the
Edinburgh
conference was not for the conference alone.

If I undertake to do some work for somebody, and they pay me in advance, and
I don't deliver (by the advertised dealine !!!!!) I will be taken to court,
or, in
Bulgaria (that rather more practical country) some shaven-headed chap with
scars
on his face will come and visit me to discuss my desire for cosmetic
surgery.
Knowing this, and because I am, on the whole, an honourable sort of person,
I either deliver, or repay some of my fee for late or non-delivery.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Robert Man <robert at rman.on-rev.com> wrote:

>
> Indeed... I insert a reply so that this post does not sink to hell too
> soon,
> as a reminder. it would be "nice" if not fair from runrev to give some news
> to all of us who have "given" in, and are possibly waiting for...
> But I suspect we'll have to look for some other presents for Xmas!
> --
> View this message in context:
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Jan  6 15:45:51 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:45:51 -1000
Subject: It's All Over Now
In-Reply-To: <314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <90A0B402-D5DF-47B2-A093-793B447DBFDE@major.on-rev.com>
	<314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002301ca8f11$3c7c5e40$b5751ac0$@com>

This phone has been out since last July when T-Mobile first introduced it.
Since then, several other carriers have also introduced it under different
names. Far from over, with Revlets, it's just the beginning. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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> Subject: It's All Over Now
> 
> http://www.google.com/phone
> 
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From calhorner at xtra.co.nz  Wed Jan  6 15:47:07 2010
From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:47:07 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
Subject: 65535 limit?
Message-ID: <4B44F6B1.000011.03388@CALS_BIG_PC>

In response to your question about the magic number 32767. This number has
an ancient history, as anyone that has worked with early mainframe machines
will know. And I don't think there are too many of us on this list.

 32767 was the maximum value(in binary) that could be held in one word. BTW,
you have to be a master of binary math's in order to understand this.  32768
meant that the number was negative.

As you pointed out 65534 is half of 32767 logic dictates that that is the
maximum positive value that can be held in two words.

Just remember this, even though you are cutting code in a human like
language when it is passed to the CPU it has to be converted to machine code
and therefore is converted back to the ancient language of the first
computer gurus.

Now, as far as having what I would hazard to call a "virtual" control. One
that is scrollable to the limit you wish to use. It can't be done in runrev.
You will have to fake it.

How do I know. Well I tried to do the same thing you want to do and after
many bashings of my forehead on the keyboard I was pointed in the right
direction.

If you have a look at this:
http://n4.nabble.com/Virtual-Scrolling-window-td325059.HTML#a325060

Perhaps that will straighten things out.


Cal


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Jan  6 15:58:43 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:58:43 -0800
Subject: It's All Over Now
In-Reply-To: <4B44E40B.6030201@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B44E40B.6030201@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9EBA179BDE2041CFBB7BEB069B318517@GATEWAY>

> Michael Kann wrote:
> > http://www.google.com/phone
> 
> Looks like it's just the beginning.
> 
> Competition keeps everyone playing at their best.

Oh yes, this makes it all the more interesting :-)

The one complaint (and it's a big one) I have about the iPhone is the
monopoly on commercial applications. While I understand the arguments about
controling the experience (which to me equates to Apple's concerns it will
be a support nightmare and massive increase in touch costs) Id like to see
an official "unlocked" iPhone Pro, too. 

They treat the iPhone like a consumer electronics product, which keeps down
all sorts of vendor side issues (support, returns, bad press about support
and returns), but Id like a smart phone that doesn't treat me any less smart
than I am with a computer.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Jan  6 16:18:32 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:18:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing
In-Reply-To: <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net>
References: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <999C26B8-866A-4E0A-A94F-7C4890B36C7F@mac.com>


Mary,

Thanks very much! I tried your script and it works. I appreciative you taking time to help me.


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Marty Knapp [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

> I would place a field on each card that you can populate just before you 
> print 
> 
> repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards 
>    put "Page" && x into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x 
> end repeat 
> 
> --do your printing 
> --then clear the field: 
> 
> repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards 
>    put empty into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x 
> end repeat
> 
> > I have been working on a project that uses marked cards based on an user's 
> > input. When the user selects a card or cards, they become marked for 
> > printing. I want to add a page number at the bottom when printing the marked 
> > cards. 
> > There are around 70 cards which makes it very difficult to include page 
> > numbers on the cards when printing since they may not be sequential. In my 
> > situation, only about 6 to 11 cards would been selected by the user. Has 
> > anybody developed a means of assigning page numbers to marked cards when 
> > printing them as marked cards? 
> >  
> 
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan  6 16:48:51 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:48:51 +1100
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B44AE01.90103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C76B5073.51E5%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Richard - I haven't got an unnamed USB drive handy to test this with but
what does the volumes function return when one is mounted? Does this give
you the expected "untitled" (or "untitled 1" etc)?

If so, you could iterate through the listed volumes using a couple of
applescripts to determine whether the drive was local (false if it's a
network drive) ejectable (false if it's internal) and then if you get two
false results you can attempt to open a file on the volume. If that gives
you an error then the drive is write protected. If it passes all tests then
you're left (presumably) with an external USB or Firewire drive.

The relevant applescript snippets are...

tell application "System Events" to get the local volume of disk
[volumepath]

tell application "System Events" to get the ejectable of disk [volumepath]

Would that do it?

Terry...


On 7/01/10 2:36 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I'm making a custom installer in which I want to provide the option of a
> normal desktop install to the hard drive and a zero-footprint install to
> a removable USB drive (no registry entries, prefs stored in the app
> folder, etc.).
> 
> To help make this simple for the user I'd like to present a list of
> available USB drives if they choose that option, so they can pick the
> target for the install.
> 
> Phil Davis was kind enough to share some pointers in his libUsbDrive
> library (see <http://pdslabs.net/usb/index.html>), which has me
> exploring the use of shell calls on OS X to system_profiler, e.g.:
> 
>     get shell("system_profiler -xml SPUSBDataType")
> 
> While the info returned there contains a lot of very useful stuff, the
> one thing I'm not able to find is the name of the volume as it appears
> to the user on the desktop.
> 
> Well, sometimes, that is.
> 
> It seems that if I've named the drive in the Finder, the Volumes section
> of the data returned from that shell call is filled in, and includes the
> apparent name of the volume.
> 
> But drives which haven't been given a name on a Mac system appear on the
> desktop as "Untitled", and although the data from the system_profiler
> shows it as a removable drive there is no Volumes section included and
> hence no way to know the name of the drive as it appears to the user.
> 
> When there is is a Volumes section the _name key there shows the name as
> it appears in the Finder, but drives that have not explicitly been given
> a name appear as "Untitled" or "Untitled 1", etc., in the Finder and the
> corresponding _name key from system_profiler is something different (for
> example my card reader device has a _name value of "Generic USB2.0 card
> " in system_profiler, but on the desktop it appears as "Untitled 1").
> 
> Do any of you know a way I can use shell or AppleScript to obtain the
> apparent name of a removable drive when system_profiler fails to return it?
> 
> Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info on
> Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to
> work out the Linux side soon.
> 
> TIA -
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:29:52 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:29:52 +1000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <C76A424A.22E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001050607t3f1285efs374f1d89c19148b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C76A424A.22E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001061529r47c987f9k2dc18580f95a4a2f@mail.gmail.com>

> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a
> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means that
> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password
> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and
> its done.

Here is a command I use for setting the system clock on OS X.
It builds a multi-line set of shell commands, including the su
password, then sends them to the Rev shell() function as a single
command.

on setClock pPassword, pDate, pTime
   -- build the command lines
   ?put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into tScript
   ?put "pw=" & quote & pPassword & quote & cr after tScript
   ?put "echo $pw | sudo -S date " & pDate & pTime & cr after tScript

   ?-- do the command & get the result
   ?put shell(tScript) into tCheck
end setClock

To alter to use your command, change the following line:
    put "echo $pw | sudo -S date " & tDate & tTime & cr after tScript

Leave everything up to & including the -S, then put your command &
it's parameters in place of my date command.

HTH,
Sarah


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan  6 18:31:07 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:31:07 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
Message-ID: <4B451D3B.2080202@fourthworld.com>

tsj wrote:
> Richard - I haven't got an unnamed USB drive handy to test this with but
> what does the volumes function return when one is mounted? Does this give
> you the expected "untitled" (or "untitled 1" etc)?
>
> If so, you could iterate through the listed volumes using a couple of
> applescripts to determine whether the drive was local (false if it's a
> network drive) ejectable (false if it's internal) and then if you get two
> false results you can attempt to open a file on the volume. If that gives
> you an error then the drive is write protected. If it passes all tests then
> you're left (presumably) with an external USB or Firewire drive.
>
> The relevant applescript snippets are...
>
> tell application "System Events" to get the local volume of disk
> [volumepath]
>
> tell application "System Events" to get the ejectable of disk [volumepath]
>
> Would that do it?

Works a treat!  And simpler than parsing the XML data from system_profiler.

Thanks!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Jan  6 20:50:58 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:50:58 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B451D3B.2080202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B451D3B.2080202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B453E02.8040902@pdslabs.net>

On 1/6/10 3:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> tsj wrote:
>> Richard - I haven't got an unnamed USB drive handy to test this with but
>> what does the volumes function return when one is mounted? Does this 
>> give
>> you the expected "untitled" (or "untitled 1" etc)?
>>
>> If so, you could iterate through the listed volumes using a couple of
>> applescripts to determine whether the drive was local (false if it's a
>> network drive) ejectable (false if it's internal) and then if you get 
>> two
>> false results you can attempt to open a file on the volume. If that 
>> gives
>> you an error then the drive is write protected. If it passes all 
>> tests then
>> you're left (presumably) with an external USB or Firewire drive.

The "passes all tests" list can also includes mounted .dmg files.

Thanks for posting this - very helpful.
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan  6 21:19:28 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:19:28 +1100
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B453E02.8040902@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <C76B8FE0.51EE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 7/01/10 12:50 PM, "Phil Davis" <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> On 1/6/10 3:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> tsj wrote:
>>> Richard - I haven't got an unnamed USB drive handy to test this with but
>>> what does the volumes function return when one is mounted? Does this
>>> give
>>> you the expected "untitled" (or "untitled 1" etc)?
>>> 
>>> If so, you could iterate through the listed volumes using a couple of
>>> applescripts to determine whether the drive was local (false if it's a
>>> network drive) ejectable (false if it's internal) and then if you get
>>> two
>>> false results you can attempt to open a file on the volume. If that
>>> gives
>>> you an error then the drive is write protected. If it passes all
>>> tests then
>>> you're left (presumably) with an external USB or Firewire drive.
> 
> The "passes all tests" list can also includes mounted .dmg files.

True - but only if it's modifiable (if not, trying to open a file for
writing will give you a "can't open file" error in the result). One other
test you can throw in is to get the format of the disk. DMGs appear to
always return 'Mac OS Extended format' while USB sticks *may* be in another
format (mine all appear to be MS-DOS (FAT32), which returns 'unkown format'
from applescript).
> 
> Thanks for posting this - very helpful.

Cheers,

Terry...



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 21:27:47 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:27:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Eps Import V05B
Message-ID: <1262831267298-1008563.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Download the stack "Eps Import V05B" from:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TL5QP5WD

or visit my webpage:

http://capellan2000.000space.com/

in this page look for the stack named:
Eps_Import_V05B.zip

Notice that this website named 000space does not
allow hotlinking so, if you click in this link to
download the file, you will be redirected to
an error page:

http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/Eps_Import_V05B.zip

New in this version: Basic functionality to import ilustrator blends
as gradients. Still pending to create code for some important blend
properties.

Important caveat:
Your ilustrator gradients should have a name compatible
with the Runrev convention for variable names.
That is, your gradients names in ilustrator should not have any
"ilegal" characters like commas, ampersand (&), etc, etc.

Ilustrator files exported from Xara, (the tool that i use) does not
have this problem, because gradients are named like "Radial gradient 05"
and "Lineal gradient 12".

Hopefully, Runrev will integrate soon this functionality of importing blends
to their SVGL importer stack. In fact, svg graphics are better than
ilustrator
graphics because they share many important features with vector graphics
from this platform, like defined geometric shapes (vital to import round
rectangles
and circles), alpha properties for each color inside a fill or stroke and
gradients
applied to stroke lines.

Alert me in this mail list about any problems with the download links
provided.

Happy and fruitful 2010 for everyone!

Alejandro
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Jan  6 21:46:03 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:46:03 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B453E02.8040902@pdslabs.net>
References: <4B451D3B.2080202@fourthworld.com> <4B453E02.8040902@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4B454AEB.2010200@pdslabs.net>

Here is an simplified 'system_profiler' output approach. It returns one 
tab-delimited line of info per detachable USB storage device, with all 
the data items known to system_profiler for each device. NOTE: It 
expects system_profiler output to be in English.


function macUsbDrives
    -- get USB device info from system profiler
    put shell("system_profiler -detailLevel full SPUSBDataType") into tData

    -- convert data to one line per USB device
    replace (colon & cr & cr) with numToChar(245) in tData -- device name
    replace (cr & cr) with numtoChar(250) in tData
    replace cr with tab in tData
    replace numtoChar(245) with (colon & tab) in tData
    replace numtoChar(250) with cr in tData

    -- remove records for all but USB drives (English data only)
    filter tData with "*Detachable Drive: Yes*"

    -- remove space-padding from items in each line
    set the itemDel to tab
    repeat for each line tLine in tData
       repeat for each item tItem in tLine
          put word 1 to -1 of tItem & tab after tNewData
       end repeat
       put cr into last char of tNewData
    end repeat
    delete last char of tNewData

    -- return the data
    return tNewData
end macUsbDrives

HTH -
Phil Davis



On 1/6/10 5:50 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> On 1/6/10 3:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> tsj wrote:
>>> Richard - I haven't got an unnamed USB drive handy to test this with 
>>> but
>>> what does the volumes function return when one is mounted? Does this 
>>> give
>>> you the expected "untitled" (or "untitled 1" etc)?
>>>
>>> If so, you could iterate through the listed volumes using a couple of
>>> applescripts to determine whether the drive was local (false if it's a
>>> network drive) ejectable (false if it's internal) and then if you 
>>> get two
>>> false results you can attempt to open a file on the volume. If that 
>>> gives
>>> you an error then the drive is write protected. If it passes all 
>>> tests then
>>> you're left (presumably) with an external USB or Firewire drive.
>
> The "passes all tests" list can also includes mounted .dmg files.
>
> Thanks for posting this - very helpful.

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  6 21:51:54 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:51:54 -0600
Subject: Cached imagesource
Message-ID: <4B454C4A.2040905@hyperactivesw.com>

Well, just so the rest of you don't spend two days debugging this like I 
did, it appears that imagesource caches its image and doesn't reload the 
file from disk as long as the file name remains the same.

In my project, a user selects an image to be displayed in a field. I set 
the imagesource of a character in the field to do that. I also copy the 
image to a special project folder and give it a predictable name so I 
can use it later for other things without tracking it. That means that 
every time the user chooses a new image, the file name stays the same 
but the image content changes.

I guess we can't do that. The only time the image appears correctly is 
on first launch. All future references to it load the *old* image, not 
the changed one.

I'll have to rewrite a bunch of scripts to track file names, unless 
someone can figure out how to force Rev to re-load the image from disk 
on demand. That's what I'd prefer.

If you want to try it, make a field and a button. Put this into the 
button script:

on mouseUp
   answer file "Choose an image"
   if it = "" then exit to top
   set the cImg of this stack to it
   put "a Test Header" into fld 1
   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)
end mouseUp

Now behind Rev's back, change the image in an image editor so it looks 
different and resave it. Then run this in the message box:

   get the cImg of this stack
   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)

No change. Your old image will still be there. If you can figure out how 
to re-load, I'd love to hear it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  6 22:05:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:05:49 -0600
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <4B454C4A.2040905@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B454C4A.2040905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B454F8D.3090605@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> No change. Your old image will still be there. If you can figure out how 
> to re-load, I'd love to hear it.
> 

Just noticed this works:

  set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:nada") -- doesn't 
exist
  set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)

Seems like I shouldn't have to do that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan  6 22:21:22 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:21:22 -0800
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <4B454F8D.3090605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C76A9332.46E98%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

>> No change. Your old image will still be there. If you can figure out how
>> to re-load, I'd love to hear it.
>> 
> 
> Just noticed this works:
> 
>   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:nada") -- doesn't
> exist
>   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)
> 
> Seems like I shouldn't have to do that.

What worked for me: set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to " "

Was just about to send you a stack, but it appears you got it figured out.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan  6 22:42:30 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:42:30 +1100
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <C76A9332.46E98%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C76BA356.51F7%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

What about setting the filename of an image object and setting the
imagesource of the character to its id...

set the filename of image id 1005 to [somefilepath1]
set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to 1005
set the filename of image id 1005 to [somefilepath2]
set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to 1005

...seems to work

Terry...


On 7/01/10 2:21 PM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> No change. Your old image will still be there. If you can figure out how
>>> to re-load, I'd love to hear it.
>>> 
>> 
>> Just noticed this works:
>> 
>>   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:nada") -- doesn't
>> exist
>>   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)
>> 
>> Seems like I shouldn't have to do that.
> 
> What worked for me: set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to " "
> 
> Was just about to send you a stack, but it appears you got it figured out.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Jan  6 23:47:14 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:47:14 -0800
Subject: How to invoke SendInput() Windows API. was Re: How do I paste into a
 different app?
In-Reply-To: <B04F2810-9A4D-49B0-A95E-66040F0EE80C@mac.com>
References: <5B380495-84F0-4633-BE0E-5D30D1BABCCB@mac.com>
	<2D25B9AF-9931-453A-A1F9-6AAD6609FE19@mac.com>
	<f99b52860912301519r53d3acedkd2ca0c6534499c75@mail.gmail.com>
	<B04F2810-9A4D-49B0-A95E-66040F0EE80C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2DCE47ED-4712-4C05-9E8C-4B0B97D83C9E@mac.com>

It looks like Microsoft has deprecated the keybd_event API and suggests using SendInput() instead.

Below is a sample of what needs to be sent. This is a C++ example. How do I send this from Rev in Windows? It looks similar to what I do with AppleScript on the Mac? While the send...as applescript commands are documented in Rev's dictionary I don't see anything similar for Windows APIs.

INPUT inp[2];
   memset(inp,0,sizeof(INPUT));
   inp[0].type = INPUT_KEYBOARD;
   inp[0].ki.dwFlags = KEYEVENTF_UNICODE; // to avoid shift, and so on
   inp[1] = inp[0];
   inp[1].ki.dwFlags |= KEYEVENTF_KEYUP;

   for (LPCTSTR p=str; *p; p++) {
      inp[0].ki.wScan = inp[1].ki.wScan = *p;
      SendInput(2, inp, sizeof(INPUT));
   }

Here are some relevant links:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163867.aspx
http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377393
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms646310(VS.85).aspx

On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I figured it out and have it working on the Mac with AppleScript. I'm not using a paste function but the AppleScript "keystroke" function. It looks like the Windows API "keybd_event" can do the same type of thing.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 00:03:02 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:03:02 -0600
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <C76A9332.46E98%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C76A9332.46E98%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B456B06.6010908@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> No change. Your old image will still be there. If you can figure out how
>>> to re-load, I'd love to hear it.
>>>
>> Just noticed this works:
>>
>>   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:nada") -- doesn't
>> exist
>>   set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)
>>
>> Seems like I shouldn't have to do that.
> 
> What worked for me: set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to " "
> 
> Was just about to send you a stack, but it appears you got it figured out.

I tried setting to empty several times, but it doesn't work here. It 
works there? Using the same file name?

What I decided to do after all was store each image with different file 
names, even though I said I didn't want to. That seems reliable and I 
think the code will be more robust.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 00:20:31 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:20:31 -0600
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <C76BA356.51F7%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C76BA356.51F7%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4B456F1F.1070002@hyperactivesw.com>

tsj wrote:
> What about setting the filename of an image object and setting the
> imagesource of the character to its id...
> 
> set the filename of image id 1005 to [somefilepath1]
> set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to 1005
> set the filename of image id 1005 to [somefilepath2]
> set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to 1005
> 
> ...seems to work

I think it works because the file name changes from somefilepath1 to 
somefilepath2, and both the image object and the imagesource are using 
the same file path referent. Actually, I'm using this method on the card 
where the user sets their image preference. And you're right, it works fine.

The issue comes in later when I need to use the image in a print 
template. This could be long after the preferences have been set and the 
app closed and relaunched. For that I need to read the image from disk, 
which works on the first print job (when Rev retrieves the file) but 
fails if the user changes the image in prefs and then does another print 
job (when Rev does not retrieve the file.) The old image shows up on the 
second printout. I suppose I could hide an image object on the print 
templates but I think I'll just store different file names on disk instead.

Mostly I was surprsied that the engine cached the image in the first 
place. I didn't know it did that, and I was debugging in all the wrong 
places.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 00:23:18 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:23:18 -0600
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <4B456B06.6010908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C76A9332.46E98%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4B456B06.6010908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B456FC6.2050708@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Scott Rossi wrote:

>> What worked for me: set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to " "
>>
>> Was just about to send you a stack, but it appears you got it figured 
>> out.
> 
> I tried setting to empty several times, but it doesn't work here. It 
> works there? Using the same file name?

Oh wait -- that's a space, not an empty. I get it. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 00:30:03 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:30:03 -0800
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <4B456B06.6010908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C76A9332.46E98%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4B456B06.6010908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8EBB00A2-B735-49CE-812F-4D27E075EFAF@yahoo.com>

I think Scott was setting to one space ( " " ), not empty.
On Jan 6, 2010, at 9:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>>>> No change. Your old image will still be there. If you can figure  
>>>> out how
>>>> to re-load, I'd love to hear it.
>>>>
>>> Just noticed this works:
>>>
>>>  set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:nada") --  
>>> doesn't
>>> exist
>>>  set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to ("binfile:"&it)
>>>
>>> Seems like I shouldn't have to do that.
>> What worked for me: set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to " "
>> Was just about to send you a stack, but it appears you got it  
>> figured out.
>
> I tried setting to empty several times, but it doesn't work here. It  
> works there? Using the same file name?
>
> What I decided to do after all was store each image with different  
> file names, even though I said I didn't want to. That seems reliable  
> and I think the code will be more robust.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan  7 00:32:31 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:32:31 -0800
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <4B456FC6.2050708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C76AB1EF.46EA4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

>> I tried setting to empty several times, but it doesn't work here. It
>> works there? Using the same file name?
> 
> Oh wait -- that's a space, not an empty. I get it. :)

Not be confused with an empty space.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 00:44:42 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:44:42 -0600
Subject: Cached imagesource
In-Reply-To: <C76AB1EF.46EA4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C76AB1EF.46EA4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B4574CA.9000703@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> I tried setting to empty several times, but it doesn't work here. It
>>> works there? Using the same file name?
>> Oh wait -- that's a space, not an empty. I get it. :)
> 
> Not be confused with an empty space.

Like my brain.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 01:22:13 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:22:13 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001051232y6de0aa94j6d3b69c3a3bd4e57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<B8031DAC-034A-4228-8987-629F1127E782@yahoo.com>
	<1A09ACDF-E73A-483C-809F-2971ED28E634@mac.com>
	<7c87a2a11001051232y6de0aa94j6d3b69c3a3bd4e57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34AC3308-DB25-4A0D-A3F9-9AF319FE2874@mac.com>

Andre,

Because the iphone sdk prefers a plist for retrieving in NSURL. The  
iphone sdk has some very easy built in methods for handling plists and  
downloading them from a url. If I can get irev to build one online  
then I can make a very easy fast and simple application with  
Revolution as the back end and the iPhone as one front end and a  
desktop app as another.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html

On Jan 5, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Tom,
>
> why a plist on on-rev? The system is linux...
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III  
> <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the plutil and other suggestions which are good for the  
>> desktop,
>> but I was wondering about doing this via iRev scripts online.
>>
>> I can create and populate a pList on my desktop with textWrangler  
>> and use
>> xcode to convert back to binary for inclusion with my iPhone app.  
>> What I
>> want is a way using iRev scripts to create one on on-rev and if not  
>> that
>> then at least via iRev scripts to modify an existing one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom McGrath III
>> Lazy River Software
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>
>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
>> Information and download can be found on this page:
>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist  
>>> file on
>>>> revOnline via script???
>>>>
>>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
>>>> for
>>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>>
>>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I  
>>>> would still
>>>> have to populate them online)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> you can run a shell script in Rev that converts a file sitting on  
>>> your
>>> hard drive from binary, then edit, then convert it back again
>>>
>>> plutil -convert xml1 Project
>>> open -a TextEdit Project
>>>
>>> --edit the file, then File - Save
>>> --then run
>>> plutil -convert binary1 Project
>>>
>>> or use BBEdit 9 that opens the plist binary in readable xml, then  
>>> saves in
>>> the binary format automatically.
>>>
>>> or as Andre said about 18 months ago
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> This page here < http://tomeklof.googlepages.com/aapl > has a list  
>>> of
>>> useful command line tools unique for Mac OS X. For example did  
>>> anyone
>>> here knew about plutil to convert plists to plain xml and back?
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Ault
>>> Las Vegas
>>>
>>>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 01:24:50 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:24:50 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <831ECB3C-0852-4653-9806-8A7561DF8F64@mac.com>

Sarah thanks...

Yes I mean On-rev....

I will look at your scripts and share what I come up with....

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III  
> <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist file  
>> on
>> revOnline via script???
>>
>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml for
>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>
>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>> them.
>>
>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would  
>> still
>> have to populate them online)
>
>
> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>
> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts in
> here to modify them.
> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
> anything other than stack hosting does it?
> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 01:31:45 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:31:45 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6162C50D-699B-4A9B-93FD-F0988A92E0D2@mac.com>

Good idea, I will look into this one...

I can already create an XML version of a plist with dictionaries and  
arrays. But the iPhone plist is binary. So I have to copy the text I  
created from Revolution and then in the iPhone SDK view/convert the  
plist as XML -- then paste the text from REV -- then view as binary  
again and it is then binary plist. This works well for me in building  
them from the desktop but is not programatic for on-rev version.

I have a series of apps that I am building that will read the plist  
downloaded from on-rev that have info entered by web users.

-----------
My alternative is to download text from on-rev and then have the  
iphone app build the plist. But programatically that is a bit harder.  
Rev is much easier. Much much much easier.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html



On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:41 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Idea:
> You could send the plist file to a Rev cgi running on OSX and it  
> would return the result, or perhaps an iPhone app (as it might have  
> plutil in its operating system)
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III  
>> <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist  
>>> file on
>>> revOnline via script???
>>>
>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
>>> for
>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>
>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>>> them.
>>>
>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I would  
>>> still
>>> have to populate them online)
>>
>>
>> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
>> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>>
>> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts in
>> here to modify them.
>> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
>> anything other than stack hosting does it?
>> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
>> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>>
>
>
>
>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 01:32:38 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:32:38 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <16C73C57-07E7-4B6A-A4B8-3536A818910C@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
	<16C73C57-07E7-4B6A-A4B8-3536A818910C@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2D3091ED-2C53-4153-A283-C1CC9474B842@mac.com>

Luis, checking it out now.....

Thanks

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Luis wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> If this is for On-Rev (which I believe can handle Perl) you could  
> load plutil.pl on the server and have it convert to XML and Text:
>
> http://scw.us/iPhone/plutil/
>
> (Wikipedia 'Webarchive' for more infos).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
>
> On 6 Jan 2010, at 09:41, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> Idea:
>> You could send the plist file to a Rev cgi running on OSX and it  
>> would return the result, or perhaps an iPhone app (as it might have  
>> plutil in its operating system)
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist  
>>>> file on
>>>> revOnline via script???
>>>>
>>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or xml  
>>>> for
>>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>>
>>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to create  
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I  
>>>> would still
>>>> have to populate them online)
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
>>> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the scripts  
>>> in
>>> here to modify them.
>>> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
>>> anything other than stack hosting does it?
>>> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
>>> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 01:36:15 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:36:15 -0500
Subject: create a plist from script with iRev
In-Reply-To: <E5EF0EB6-B817-44B4-B849-FFCBA7ED2CAE@yahoo.com>
References: <FE68669A-43A1-493E-9B39-A1E4DED6B93A@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001051445l5e6828bfjce05736021e3c577@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D420A43-45EC-483C-81FA-0B03A17966B8@yahoo.com>
	<16C73C57-07E7-4B6A-A4B8-3536A818910C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<E5EF0EB6-B817-44B4-B849-FFCBA7ED2CAE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <51A08955-99CC-41AE-9002-703092E96341@mac.com>

This is a good site for info on this. Thanks Jim

Am checking it out now...

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Thomas McGrath:   here are a couple Interesting web pages
>
>
> http://www.dunnington.net/entry/data-driven-iphone-apps-with-property-lists-and-php
>
>
> The plutil comes with Xcode development toolkit on Mac OS X. Erica  
> Sadun has ported it to iPhone. This is a neat tool to process  
> the .plist files.
> The ported plutil is here: plutil for iPhone
> http://george.insideiphone.com/index.php/2007/12/05/plutil-a-nifty-tool-to-edit-plist-files/
>
>
>
> Google "plutil php"
> and you will also find    plutil.exe for windows    on the listing.
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Luis wrote:
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> If this is for On-Rev (which I believe can handle Perl) you could  
>> load plutil.pl on the server and have it convert to XML and Text:
>>
>> http://scw.us/iPhone/plutil/
>>
>> (Wikipedia 'Webarchive' for more infos).
>>
>> On 6 Jan 2010, at 09:41, Jim Ault wrote:
>>
>>> Idea:
>>> You could send the plist file to a Rev cgi running on OSX and it  
>>> would return the result, or perhaps an iPhone app (as it might  
>>> have plutil in its operating system)
>>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have a way or explanation on how to create a plist  
>>>>> file on
>>>>> revOnline via script???
>>>>>
>>>>> It turns out that Apple recommends using a pList over json or  
>>>>> xml for
>>>>> transferring data via NSUrl.
>>>>>
>>>>> There would be a lot of things I could do if I knew how to  
>>>>> create them.
>>>>>
>>>>> (on the desktop I can do them and upload manually but then I  
>>>>> would still
>>>>> have to populate them online)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom, I have a stack that I use for editing plist files:
>>>> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/PlistEditor.rev
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you could start with an existing plist and use the  
>>>> scripts in
>>>> here to modify them.
>>>> When you say revOnline, do you mean On-Rev? revOnline doesn't allow
>>>> anything other than stack hosting does it?
>>>> As regards On-Rev, the servers are Linux machines, so the plutil
>>>> command will not be available, as it is OS X only.
>>>>
>
>
>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 01:38:48 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:38:48 -0500
Subject: It's All Over Now
In-Reply-To: <314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <314541.11705.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AFAA230-F663-4DE7-9B87-207F4581E694@mac.com>

Although this is a very cool phone. It is extremely sluggish and  
unresponsive.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Michael Kann wrote:

> http://www.google.com/phone
>
>
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 05:12:31 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:12:31 +0000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <C76A424A.22E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001050607t3f1285efs374f1d89c19148b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C76A424A.22E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Herschel,

I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.

If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
(part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).

A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.

It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.

Bernard

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
>
>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? ?Do you mean
>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
>> program?
>
> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a
> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means that
> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password
> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and
> its done.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 05:17:41 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:17:41 +0000
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>
	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond, if you undertake any interaction with RunRev that requires
physical shipment, you have to expect very long delays.  This happened
with the printed docs years ago, and with other conference DVDs.  Add
Christmas/New Year into the equation (the UK does shut down for about
14 days at the end of each year).  Now the country is paralysed by
snow.

Seriously, just re-adjust your expectation.  I'm sure by March or
April you will have the physical goods.

Hopefully someone will come along soon and explain what is causing the
delay, and re-adjust people's expectations accordingly.

Bernard

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> And boxed sets of RunRev Studio 4 . . .
>
> I suppose everybody else has forgotten that the money they paid for the
> Edinburgh
> conference was not for the conference alone.
>
> If I undertake to do some work for somebody, and they pay me in advance, and
> I don't deliver (by the advertised dealine !!!!!) I will be taken to court,
> or, in
> Bulgaria (that rather more practical country) some shaven-headed chap with
> scars
> on his face will come and visit me to discuss my desire for cosmetic
> surgery.
> Knowing this, and because I am, on the whole, an honourable sort of person,
> I either deliver, or repay some of my fee for late or non-delivery.


From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Thu Jan  7 05:20:29 2010
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:20:29 +0100
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <20100107052334.E137C288213@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100107052334.E137C288213@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <43D33423-F842-4BB6-A9C8-3AF57BB236A1@id.uzh.ch>

I am also waiting for the DVDs!

Can the Mothership please answer this question ?!



Am 07.01.2010 um 06:23 schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

> And boxed sets of RunRev Studio 4 . . .
> 
> I suppose everybody else has forgotten that the money they paid for the
> Edinburgh
> conference was not for the conference alone.



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jan  7 05:37:50 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:37:50 +0100
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>
	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DB080CA-4B3D-4B7D-B0F9-BA729E216A54@economy-x-talk.com>

Bernard,

Edinburgh is a city with quite a few post offices at walking distance  
from the RunRev HQ. The nearest post office is around the corner and  
to the left. Put stuff into big envelopes or boxes, walk to post  
office, done. That should take only one day.

RunRev HQ:
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=25a+Thistle+Street+Lane+South+West+&sll=55.950545,-3.23101&sspn=0.135521,0.274658&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=25A+Thistle+St+Ln+SW,+Edinburgh,+Midlothian+EH2+1EW,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.953754,-3.198824&spn=0.13551,0.274658&t=h&z=12 
 >

Post offices:
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&num=100&lr=&safe=off&ie=UTF8&q=edinburgh+post+office&hq=post+office&hnear=Edinburgh,+UK&t=h&z=12 
 >

I didn't order anything, I am not waiting for anything, but I am  
surprised that people need to wait 3 months or longer for a product to  
be shipped. Even actual shipment by boat shouldn't take longer than 6  
weeks.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
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Op 7 jan 2010, om 11:17 heeft Bernard Devlin het volgende geschreven:

> Richmond, if you undertake any interaction with RunRev that requires
> physical shipment, you have to expect very long delays.  This happened
> with the printed docs years ago, and with other conference DVDs.  Add
> Christmas/New Year into the equation (the UK does shut down for about
> 14 days at the end of each year).  Now the country is paralysed by
> snow.
>
> Seriously, just re-adjust your expectation.  I'm sure by March or
> April you will have the physical goods.
>
> Hopefully someone will come along soon and explain what is causing the
> delay, and re-adjust people's expectations accordingly.
>
> Bernard
>



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan  7 05:53:46 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:53:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <43D33423-F842-4BB6-A9C8-3AF57BB236A1@id.uzh.ch>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>
	<43D33423-F842-4BB6-A9C8-3AF57BB236A1@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <1262861626399-1008717.post@n4.nabble.com>


Rolf,
over at the forum Andycal has an answer from support:
http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4664
regards
Bernd

Rolf Kocherhans wrote:
> 
> I am also waiting for the DVDs!
> 
> Can the Mothership please answer this question ?!
> 

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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan  7 05:55:49 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:55:49 +0100
Subject: AW: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0145A6761689475E880EFF37B9230BE3@Kestner.local>


Ok, scanning all material from the conference, cutting and producing can
actually take some time (shouldn't usually take soo long, but...)

But what I don't like the most on this issue is that we have to pay in
advance (me in October) and don't get a value for it over month. I think
this is a not correct business behaviour with selling a simple DVD.

I hope at least that we will get this year a good quality for our money and
not that quality disaster as last year. I don't like being forced twice to
buy the cat in a bag (german saying, don't know the English one)

Sorry RunRev guys, my 2 cents
Tiemo



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan  7 06:02:47 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:02:47 +0000
Subject: How to invoke SendInput() Windows API. was Re: How do I paste
 into a different app?
Message-ID: <0003AE33.4B45CD48@192.168.168.3>

Hi Bill,

i have done something similar.  You can create a vbs script and let Rev run this.

I am not very good at VBS, but the following lines show how to insert text into an app.

___________________
Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell") 
WshShell.Run "winword.exe"
'the app is opened. If your app is already running, you do not need this line
WScript.Sleep 2000          
 'script stops for 2000 milliseconds to take sure, that the app is running before further proceeding.

WshShell.AppActivate "Dokument1 - Microsoft Word"    
'activates your already running app
'between the quotes you have to put the exact name of the app - as it is shown in the title bar of that app
' winword also shows the document name in the title bar

WScript.Sleep 100          
 'script stops for 100 milliseconds'

WshShell.SendKeys "This Text should be inserted"   
 'the text between the quotes is sent to the app

WScript.Sleep 100          
WshShell.SendKeys "{enter}"
'sends an enter to winword
WScript.Sleep 100          

WshShell.SendKeys "This Text should also be inserted"   
 'the text between the quotes is sent to the app

____________________

Maybe Ken Ray could jump in, as he knows much more about VB and VBS.

Regards,

Matthias





-------- Original Message --------
Subject: How to invoke SendInput() Windows API. was Re: How do I paste into a different app? (07-Jan-2010 6:42)
From:    Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> It looks like Microsoft has deprecated the keybd_event API and suggests 
> using SendInput() instead.
> 
> Below is a sample of what needs to be sent. This is a C++ example. How do I 
> send this from Rev in Windows? It looks similar to what I do with 
> AppleScript on the Mac? While the send...as applescript commands are 
> documented in Rev's dictionary I don't see anything similar for Windows 
> APIs.
> 
> INPUT inp[2];
>    memset(inp,0,sizeof(INPUT));
>    inp[0].type = INPUT_KEYBOARD;
>    inp[0].ki.dwFlags = KEYEVENTF_UNICODE; // to avoid shift, and so on
>    inp[1] = inp[0];
>    inp[1].ki.dwFlags |= KEYEVENTF_KEYUP;
> 
>    for (LPCTSTR p=str; *p; p++) {
>       inp[0].ki.wScan = inp[1].ki.wScan = *p;
>       SendInput(2, inp, sizeof(INPUT));
>    }
> 
> Here are some relevant links:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163867.aspx
> http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377393
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms646310(VS.85).aspx
> 
> On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
> > I figured it out and have it working on the Mac with AppleScript. I'm not 
> > using a paste function but the AppleScript "keystroke" function. It looks 
> > like the Windows API "keybd_event" can do the same type of thing.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan  7 06:03:06 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:03:06 +0100
Subject: Test
Message-ID: <3240FCBB-D6BD-4509-905A-27DEA206F279@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all, 

just a test, since I did not receive any posting since yesterday evening.


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan  7 06:06:33 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:06:33 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
Message-ID: <0003AE34.4B45CE48@192.168.168.3>

> buy the cat in a bag (german saying, don't know the English one)

to buy a pig in a poke  ;-)

Matthias




From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan  7 06:13:52 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:13:52 +0100
Subject: AW: Re-2: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <0003AE34.4B45CE48@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <1F55848123504255AE4D9BAB546E0B91@Kestner.local>

Good to know! :)

Tiemo

> 
> > buy the cat in a bag (german saying, don't know the English one)
> 
> to buy a pig in a poke  ;-)
> 
> Matthias
> 



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan  7 07:58:43 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:58:43 +0000
Subject: OT: 2nd Conference DVD set for sale
Message-ID: <0003AE37.4B45E892@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

because i?ve ordered the Megabundle,i will receive  a 2nd Conference DVD set, which i do not need. So if there is anyone on the list (because of customs germans or EU customers are preferred) interested in it,  contact me offlist at        matthias (at) m-r-d.de

Regards,

Matthias




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu Jan  7 10:09:22 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:09:22 +0100
Subject: (Data Grid) How to get the setting of the
	dgHeaderAlignment["column"] saved 
Message-ID: <02D2F3E4-A2F8-4287-844B-FAEF07A30A98@inria.fr>

Bonjour,

I have a data grid "DataGrid" defined with the Inspector. The columns'  
headers are aligned to left.

In order to get the columns headers centered I do the following :
------
   put the dgProp["columns"] of group "DataGrid" into theColumns
   repeat for each line enil in theColumns
      set the dgHeaderAlignment[enil] of grp "DataGrid" of this cd to  
center
   end repeat
-------
Ok, that works well.

I save the stack
If I close the stack and reopen it, the headers are still centered.

But if I quit Rev, when I reopen the stack, the headers are aligned to  
left again.

What am I missing?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

P.S. I sent this message about 2 hours ago but seems it was not  
received (it does not appear in the archives) ; so I am trying again 



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 10:21:09 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:21:09 +0000
Subject: on deleteGroup
In-Reply-To: <309E5569-DAF3-4187-BA78-7211F22F63CE@byu.edu>
References: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>
	<309E5569-DAF3-4187-BA78-7211F22F63CE@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001070721y7866d4feuee27ff61de9058fc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Devin - the problem is no message is sent so I can't tell when the group
is deleted. The only way to do that is have a front script, but I was hoping
to use behaviors - so i could script a component without having to install
somethin in a users development environment.

2010/1/4 Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>

>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  Just noticed that the deleteGroup message is not sent when the group is
>> nested - anyone got an idea how to get around this?
>>
>> Say you have a group that you want to do some tidying up if a user deletes
>> it - and so you put a handler like this in the group itself:
>>
>> on deleteGroup
>>
>>>  beep
>>>  doSomeTidying
>>>  pass deleteGroup
>>> end deleteGroup
>>>
>>>
>> Which works fine if it is a toplevel group - but when this group is inside
>> another group deleting the toplevel group triggers a deleteGroup message
>> which travels up the hierarchy to the card - but no deleteGroup messages
>> are
>> sent from the inner groups - this means you can't attach appropriate
>> behaviors to the groups.
>>
>> Wandering if anyone has looked at this - I can't think how to do it as
>> deleteGroup is sent after deletion so even a frontscript would not be able
>> to tell what was inside a deleted group. Even the new closeControl message
>> does not seem to be sent in these circumstances?
>>
>
> David,
>
> Maybe you'll need to check the child objects of the group before you delete
> the parent group. If they have child groups delete them first from the
> "inside out", so that each group is deleted individually and so triggers the
> deleteGroup message.
>
> repeat with x= 1 to the number of groups in group "parent"
>  if there is a group x of group "parent" then
>    delete group x of group "parent"
>   else
>    exit repeat
>  end if
> end repeat
>
> Regards,
>
> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From andre at rombauts.be  Thu Jan  7 10:29:39 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:29:39 +0100
Subject: Strange issue on Windows Vista
Message-ID: <D001B624-6AA5-449B-8F70-95801EB51048@rombauts.be>

Hello from the cold and snowy Belgium...

I'm developping On Snow Leopard Enterprise 4.5 an application using  
MySQL libraries. The guy who is testing for me the Windows standalone  
reports that it is OK on XP and Windows7 but not on Vista. On Vista he  
is getting the error

Object: stack "revExternalLibrary" of stack "C:/Program Files/Chatou/ 
Chatou.exe"

I can generate a similar error if I remove the dbmysql.dll from the / 
database_drivers subdir in /Externals Is it possible to have issues on  
Vista and not on 7 or classic XP?

Andr?




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  7 10:43:51 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:43:51 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
Message-ID: <4B460137.6090404@fourthworld.com>

Phil Davis wrote:
> Here is an simplified 'system_profiler' output approach. It returns one
> tab-delimited line of info per detachable USB storage device, with all
> the data items known to system_profiler for each device. NOTE: It
> expects system_profiler output to be in English.
>
>
> function macUsbDrives
>     -- get USB device info from system profiler
>     put shell("system_profiler -detailLevel full SPUSBDataType") into tData
>
>     -- convert data to one line per USB device
>     replace (colon & cr & cr) with numToChar(245) in tData -- device name
>     replace (cr & cr) with numtoChar(250) in tData
>     replace cr with tab in tData
>     replace numtoChar(245) with (colon & tab) in tData
>     replace numtoChar(250) with cr in tData
>
>     -- remove records for all but USB drives (English data only)
>     filter tData with "*Detachable Drive: Yes*"
>
>     -- remove space-padding from items in each line
>     set the itemDel to tab
>     repeat for each line tLine in tData
>        repeat for each item tItem in tLine
>           put word 1 to -1 of tItem & tab after tNewData
>        end repeat
>        put cr into last char of tNewData
>     end repeat
>     delete last char of tNewData
>
>     -- return the data
>     return tNewData
> end macUsbDrives

Very helpful Phil, and I appreciate your posting it, but unfortunately 
the issue I found with using system_profiler is that it doesn't report 
the volume name as it appears to the user on the desktop.

I had hoped there would be some reasonably simple way to get a list of 
mounted volumes that looks something like this:

<driveName>  <mountPoint>  <type>

...where <driveName> is the name as it appears in the Finder, 
<mountPoint> is either "/" or "Volumes/<drivename>", and <type> is 
either ATA, SCSI, CD/DVD, USB, etc.

With what I've learned in this thread it seems I may be able to use 
output from system_profiler checked against output from AppleScript 
calls to obtain such a list.

For the future, I see that Jeanne DeVoto had submitted an RQCC request 
for "the detailed volumes" which could do what I need if implemented as 
described there:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=101>

In the meantime, it looks like I have some parsing to do and some 
homework to figure out the details of getting this info for Win Vista, 
Win 7, and Linux.  I'll post the result here once I get it working.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jan  7 10:47:14 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:47:14 -0700
Subject: on deleteGroup
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001070721y7866d4feuee27ff61de9058fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>
	<309E5569-DAF3-4187-BA78-7211F22F63CE@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b1001070721y7866d4feuee27ff61de9058fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE269B9B-97AC-4488-8ECF-EB777FF50D20@byu.edu>


On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:21 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Hi Devin - the problem is no message is sent so I can't tell when  
> the group
> is deleted. The only way to do that is have a front script, but I  
> was hoping
> to use behaviors - so i could script a component without having to  
> install
> somethin in a users development environment.

Sorry, David, I didn't read your original message closely enough. What  
if the parent group has a deleteGroup handler that passes the message  
on? Maybe the parent group is just swallowing group-related messages  
from child groups.

What does the Message Watcher say? If no deleteGroup is generated by  
nested groups it seems like a bug to me.

Regards,

Devin

>
> 2010/1/4 Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>
>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>>
>> Just noticed that the deleteGroup message is not sent when the  
>> group is
>>> nested - anyone got an idea how to get around this?
>>>
>>> Say you have a group that you want to do some tidying up if a user  
>>> deletes
>>> it - and so you put a handler like this in the group itself:
>>>
>>> on deleteGroup
>>>
>>>> beep
>>>> doSomeTidying
>>>> pass deleteGroup
>>>> end deleteGroup
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Which works fine if it is a toplevel group - but when this group  
>>> is inside
>>> another group deleting the toplevel group triggers a deleteGroup  
>>> message
>>> which travels up the hierarchy to the card - but no deleteGroup  
>>> messages
>>> are
>>> sent from the inner groups - this means you can't attach appropriate
>>> behaviors to the groups.
>>>
>>> Wandering if anyone has looked at this - I can't think how to do  
>>> it as
>>> deleteGroup is sent after deletion so even a frontscript would not  
>>> be able
>>> to tell what was inside a deleted group. Even the new closeControl  
>>> message
>>> does not seem to be sent in these circumstances?
>>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Maybe you'll need to check the child objects of the group before  
>> you delete
>> the parent group. If they have child groups delete them first from  
>> the
>> "inside out", so that each group is deleted individually and so  
>> triggers the
>> deleteGroup message.
>>
>> repeat with x= 1 to the number of groups in group "parent"
>> if there is a group x of group "parent" then
>>   delete group x of group "parent"
>>  else
>>   exit repeat
>> end if
>> end repeat
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Devin
>>
>>
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 10:56:35 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:56:35 +0000
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <8DB080CA-4B3D-4B7D-B0F9-BA729E216A54@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>
	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>
	<8DB080CA-4B3D-4B7D-B0F9-BA729E216A54@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001070756r6c31e7dej97ccb8d264f29416@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, I'm sure you realise, I was being ironic :-)  The last time I
bought conference DVDs from Runrev, they took 6 months to arrive.
Most of my emails to them in that 6 month period asking for
explanations went unanswered.  After several months of waiting, my
exasperation with them flared up with me expressing my displeasure on
this list.

I think they seriously let customers down by not setting expectations
appropriately.  If there is going to be a 3 month or 6 month wait, it
is better to just tell people that up front.  If an unforeseen problem
crops up, send an email to the list.  Sadly, years after me making
this recommendation it appears they have still not learned how to
simply re-set expectations with a brief email.

Since that experience with them, I make myself assume that anything I
buy from them requiring physical shipment has a delivery date 6 months
hence.  To be fair, I've almost never had any problem with any
non-physical shipment.

I hope they will soon let those waiting hear of a realistic shipment
date.  Maybe the person in charge of this has been off on long-term
sick leave.  I'm sure there is nothing underhand about the delay.

Bernard

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Mark Schonewille
<m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Bernard,
>
> Edinburgh is a city with quite a few post offices at walking distance from
> the RunRev HQ. The nearest post office is around the corner and to the left.
> Put stuff into big envelopes or boxes, walk to post office, done. That
> should take only one day.


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan  7 11:06:37 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:06:37 -0500
Subject: on deleteGroup
In-Reply-To: <AE269B9B-97AC-4488-8ECF-EB777FF50D20@byu.edu>
References: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>
	<309E5569-DAF3-4187-BA78-7211F22F63CE@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b1001070721y7866d4feuee27ff61de9058fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE269B9B-97AC-4488-8ECF-EB777FF50D20@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1D2C012E-4E7F-4BE0-860C-A10585FA5088@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Sorry, David, I didn't read your original message closely enough.  
> What if the parent group has a deleteGroup handler that passes the  
> message on? Maybe the parent group is just swallowing group-related  
> messages from child groups.
>
> What does the Message Watcher say? If no deleteGroup is generated by  
> nested groups it seems like a bug to me.

Devin,

I think the issue David is trying to address is that no deleteGroup is  
sent to children groups if the parent is deleted (which should  
probably be considered a bug anyway). Assume you have this group  
hierarchy:

Group A
     Group B
     Group C

If you delete Group B then Group B receives the deleteGroup message as  
does Group A (unless Group B traps the message).

If you delete Group A then Group B and Group C DO NOT receive the  
deleteGroup message. Only Group A does.

Currently a developer needs to to manually go through a group's  
children and dispatch the deleteGroup message to it's children if it  
was the target of the deleteGroup message.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 11:17:05 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:17:05 +0000
Subject: on deleteGroup
In-Reply-To: <1D2C012E-4E7F-4BE0-860C-A10585FA5088@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001011145p1b5bab44rb90dab1b880ec174@mail.gmail.com>
	<309E5569-DAF3-4187-BA78-7211F22F63CE@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b1001070721y7866d4feuee27ff61de9058fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE269B9B-97AC-4488-8ECF-EB777FF50D20@byu.edu>
	<1D2C012E-4E7F-4BE0-860C-A10585FA5088@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001070817n5547c3e8yc3544a0a56937e12@mail.gmail.com>

It's an issue for anyone developing nested components. In my case I have a
component that I want to distribute that creates some (global) data that I
want to tidy up / clear when the component is deleted manually or by script.
This is fine if the group is a top level group, but as i use "layout groups"
and other forms of group nesting (say I want to use the group within a
datagrid for instance) - then no message at all is sent - and so I cannot
create this form of component without resorting to libraries or front/back
scripts.

I've filed this as a report here (and copied Trevor's description)  -
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8524  Votes appreciated!

2010/1/7 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

>
> Assume you have this group hierarchy:
>
> Group A
>    Group B
>    Group C
>
> If you delete Group B then Group B receives the deleteGroup message as does
> Group A (unless Group B traps the message).
>
> If you delete Group A then Group B and Group C DO NOT receive the
> deleteGroup message. Only Group A does.
>
> Currently a developer needs to to manually go through a group's children
> and dispatch the deleteGroup message to it's children if it was the target
> of the deleteGroup message.
>


From eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch  Thu Jan  7 11:51:35 2010
From: eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch (Eric Sciolli)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:51:35 +0100
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
Message-ID: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

I've downloaded last version of tRev but when I try to open it on
macosx 10.6.2 it closes suddenly; does someone encountered this
problem?

Thanks

Eric


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 12:04:58 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:04:58 -0600
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
In-Reply-To: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B46143A.90201@hyperactivesw.com>

Eric Sciolli wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I've downloaded last version of tRev but when I try to open it on
> macosx 10.6.2 it closes suddenly; does someone encountered this
> problem?

The tech queue is getting reports about failed OS X builds occasionally. 
I haven't figured out why but the symptoms are what you describe. 
Sometimes it works if you do this:

Click on the afflicted application to select it in the Finder

Either click the application while holding the control key, or use the 
"Action" menu (the icon looks like a gear) to access the option "Show 
Package Contents"

Open the "Contents" folder therein, and then find the "MacOS" folder
Modify the permissions on this folder to give it "execute" permissions 
for all users. Do this by opening the Terminal (located in 
Applications/Utilities) and typing the following command (don't press 
return afterward):

sudo chmod 755

After typing this, drag the "MacOS" folder to the Terminal window -- its 
path should appear. Press return, and you will be prompted for your 
administrator password, which you should enter.

The "MacOS" directory should now have read, write and execute priveleges 
for the owner, and read and execute privileges for the group and others.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 12:06:40 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:06:40 -0600
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001070756r6c31e7dej97ccb8d264f29416@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>	<74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>	<edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>	<8DB080CA-4B3D-4B7D-B0F9-BA729E216A54@economy-x-talk.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001070756r6c31e7dej97ccb8d264f29416@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4614A0.1080404@hyperactivesw.com>

I asked about the DVDs. Production was completed just before Christmas. 
As was mentioned, the office (like most of the country) was closed for 2 
weeks during the holidays and they have just returned. They will begin 
shipping soon.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 12:09:08 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:09:08 -0600
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <4B4614A0.1080404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>	<74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>	<edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>	<8DB080CA-4B3D-4B7D-B0F9-BA729E216A54@economy-x-talk.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001070756r6c31e7dej97ccb8d264f29416@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4614A0.1080404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <EFDB4773-AA8F-4BCF-B456-8F4212860EC0@earthlink.net>

Great news!  Thanks for the update, Jacque!!

On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I asked about the DVDs. Production was completed just before Christmas. As was mentioned, the office (like most of the country) was closed for 2 weeks during the holidays and they have just returned. They will begin shipping soon.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 12:10:58 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:58 -0600
Subject: Attn: Dan Olsen
Message-ID: <4B4615A2.7030101@hyperactivesw.com>

Dan, if you are reading this list, please contact either me or tech 
support with a valid email address. We have all been trying to send your 
megabundle materials since your order was received but the address you 
provided bounces back as undeliverable. Tech support can't reply to your 
query either for the same reason. If you have a different email, please 
let us know.

(Sorry to impose on the list, folks, but we couldn't think of any other 
way to respond.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jan  7 12:26:14 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:26:14 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B460137.6090404@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B460137.6090404@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B461936.5040301@pdslabs.net>

Hi Richard,

I believe this does include the volume names as they appear in the 
Finder. Look for the "Volumes:" tag in each output line.

Phil



On 1/7/10 7:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Phil Davis wrote:
>> Here is an simplified 'system_profiler' output approach. It returns one
>> tab-delimited line of info per detachable USB storage device, with all
>> the data items known to system_profiler for each device. NOTE: It
>> expects system_profiler output to be in English.
>>
>>
>> function macUsbDrives
>>     -- get USB device info from system profiler
>>     put shell("system_profiler -detailLevel full SPUSBDataType") into 
>> tData
>>
>>     -- convert data to one line per USB device
>>     replace (colon & cr & cr) with numToChar(245) in tData -- device 
>> name
>>     replace (cr & cr) with numtoChar(250) in tData
>>     replace cr with tab in tData
>>     replace numtoChar(245) with (colon & tab) in tData
>>     replace numtoChar(250) with cr in tData
>>
>>     -- remove records for all but USB drives (English data only)
>>     filter tData with "*Detachable Drive: Yes*"
>>
>>     -- remove space-padding from items in each line
>>     set the itemDel to tab
>>     repeat for each line tLine in tData
>>        repeat for each item tItem in tLine
>>           put word 1 to -1 of tItem & tab after tNewData
>>        end repeat
>>        put cr into last char of tNewData
>>     end repeat
>>     delete last char of tNewData
>>
>>     -- return the data
>>     return tNewData
>> end macUsbDrives
>
> Very helpful Phil, and I appreciate your posting it, but unfortunately 
> the issue I found with using system_profiler is that it doesn't report 
> the volume name as it appears to the user on the desktop.
>
> I had hoped there would be some reasonably simple way to get a list of 
> mounted volumes that looks something like this:
>
> <driveName> <mountPoint> <type>
>
> ...where <driveName> is the name as it appears in the Finder, 
> <mountPoint> is either "/" or "Volumes/<drivename>", and <type> is 
> either ATA, SCSI, CD/DVD, USB, etc.
>
> With what I've learned in this thread it seems I may be able to use 
> output from system_profiler checked against output from AppleScript 
> calls to obtain such a list.
>
> For the future, I see that Jeanne DeVoto had submitted an RQCC request 
> for "the detailed volumes" which could do what I need if implemented 
> as described there:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=101>
>
> In the meantime, it looks like I have some parsing to do and some 
> homework to figure out the details of getting this info for Win Vista, 
> Win 7, and Linux.  I'll post the result here once I get it working.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan  7 13:02:10 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:02:10 +0100
Subject: AW: Strange issue on Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <D001B624-6AA5-449B-8F70-95801EB51048@rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <85E396B18A6D449D8029F9F879A54E60@Kestner.local>

Hi Andr?,

that sounds strange. As far as I know and I experiences it every day there
are (almost) no differences between Vista and 7 in this part of the system
architecture. So I would believe it is not a matter of Vista or 7, but of
different configurations / user rights / settings, etc.

The only strange thing I can see is the blank in your path before the exe,
but that is probably a typo and even if not it wouldn't make a difference
between Vista and 7

Tiemo 

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Rombauts
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 16:30
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Strange issue on Windows Vista
> 
> Hello from the cold and snowy Belgium...
> 
> I'm developping On Snow Leopard Enterprise 4.5 an application using
> MySQL libraries. The guy who is testing for me the Windows standalone
> reports that it is OK on XP and Windows7 but not on Vista. On Vista he
> is getting the error
> 
> Object: stack "revExternalLibrary" of stack "C:/Program Files/Chatou/
> Chatou.exe"
> 
> I can generate a similar error if I remove the dbmysql.dll from the /
> database_drivers subdir in /Externals Is it possible to have issues on
> Vista and not on 7 or classic XP?
> 
> Andr?
> 
> 
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan  7 13:55:27 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:55:27 +0100
Subject: Exagofon and RunRev on Create Digital Music
Message-ID: <6C74F3EB-60C8-47EF-890F-5294FA15059D@numericable.com>

There is an article about Exagofon with mention of RunRev at :
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/01/07/put-a-hex-on-you-new-game-crazy-music-sequencer-with-hexagons/#more-8958
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

From eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch  Thu Jan  7 13:58:24 2010
From: eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch (Eric Sciolli)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:58:24 +0100
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
Message-ID: <E269F8D9-0668-4445-84F3-CCC1033C4AA1@sunrise.ch>

Hello Jacqueline

your solution doesn't work... perhaps it's a bug with the new version of tRev?

Thanks

Eric

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 14:03:18 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:03:18 -0600
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
In-Reply-To: <E269F8D9-0668-4445-84F3-CCC1033C4AA1@sunrise.ch>
References: <E269F8D9-0668-4445-84F3-CCC1033C4AA1@sunrise.ch>
Message-ID: <4B462FF6.7060208@hyperactivesw.com>

Eric Sciolli wrote:
> Hello Jacqueline
> 
> your solution doesn't work... perhaps it's a bug with the new version of tRev?

The next step is to contact Jerry directly.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 14:32:56 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:32:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Strange issue on Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <D001B624-6AA5-449B-8F70-95801EB51048@rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <985661.6575.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/advanced-windows-vista/

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:

> From: Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be>
> Subject: Strange issue on Windows Vista
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 9:29 AM
> Hello from the cold and snowy
> Belgium...
> 
> I'm developping On Snow Leopard Enterprise 4.5 an
> application using MySQL libraries. The guy who is testing
> for me the Windows standalone reports that it is OK on XP
> and Windows7 but not on Vista. On Vista he is getting the
> error
> 
> Object: stack "revExternalLibrary" of stack "C:/Program
> Files/Chatou/Chatou.exe"
> 
> I can generate a similar error if I remove the dbmysql.dll
> from the /database_drivers subdir in /Externals Is it
> possible to have issues on Vista and not on 7 or classic
> XP?
> 
> Andr?
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:02:51 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:02:51 +0000
Subject: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B2E4B80.5070906@gmail.com>
	<1261518257552-977373.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<74ac8f551001061231r5d94197fjda11d7f7d90ae94d@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001070217jcf6c18fx83e1e1a96125ae88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001071202t33966695h34ab56c63f8f9aee@mail.gmail.com>

Actually my "Grunt" would not really be a grunt if I felt that I had been
informed why
things have taken so long + a reassurance that in due course (with some idea
of
timescale) things would be delivered.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Richmond, if you undertake any interaction with RunRev that requires
> physical shipment, you have to expect very long delays.  This happened
> with the printed docs years ago, and with other conference DVDs.  Add
> Christmas/New Year into the equation (the UK does shut down for about
> 14 days at the end of each year).  Now the country is paralysed by
> snow.
>

I know, I am, at present in a neighbouring country (England) that is
experiencing
very cold weather.


>
> Seriously, just re-adjust your expectation.  I'm sure by March or
> April you will have the physical goods.
>
> Hopefully someone will come along soon and explain what is causing the
> delay, and re-adjust people's expectations accordingly.
>

It would be nice if RR could tell us  . . .


>
> Bernard
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson
> <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > And boxed sets of RunRev Studio 4 . . .
> >
> > I suppose everybody else has forgotten that the money they paid for the
> > Edinburgh
> > conference was not for the conference alone.
> >
> > If I undertake to do some work for somebody, and they pay me in advance,
> and
> > I don't deliver (by the advertised dealine !!!!!) I will be taken to
> court,
> > or, in
> > Bulgaria (that rather more practical country) some shaven-headed chap
> with
> > scars
> > on his face will come and visit me to discuss my desire for cosmetic
> > surgery.
> > Knowing this, and because I am, on the whole, an honourable sort of
> person,
> > I either deliver, or repay some of my fee for late or non-delivery.
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:23:09 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:23:09 +0000
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>

I recently decided to take a fresh look at Valentina.  As the licensed
copy I had was quite old, I upgraded to 4.3

On Vista with RevEnt 4.0, I decided the easiest way to learn more
about Valentina was using Trevor's LibDatabase library.  (I know that
it's kind of 'old hat' compared to SQL Yoga, but LibDatabase appeals
to me).

I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
these days.  I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
the Revolution program directories (i.e. it did not add itself to the
list of externals in the Externals text file, nor add the drivers to
the folder containing database drivers).

I got the example stack provided by Paradigma to work by adding the
V4Rev.dll file to the external references of the Examples main stack.

When it comes to making use of LibDatabase, the only way I could get
it to work was by adding V4Rev.dll to the externals of the library).
I was getting an error at at the point where LibDatabase calls
Valentina_Init.  It seems to me that the main stack of an application
should be where the externals are set, not in a library stack.  I am
sure that if LibDatabase required a reference to any relevant
externals, Trevor would have said so (he's a thorough kinda guy).

Also, does anyone know how to get an error string back from Valentina?

Bernard


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Jan  7 15:44:54 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:44:54 -0600
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
In-Reply-To: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB1B035A-207D-4A7B-B1D6-B71106D2EBBC@me.com>

I know this doesn't help much, but It's running here, Eric. Also Mac  
OS X. Which Rev are you running?

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis

On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Eric Sciolli wrote:

> Hello
>
> I've downloaded last version of tRev but when I try to open it on
> macosx 10.6.2 it closes suddenly; does someone encountered this
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Eric
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan  7 17:07:18 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:07:18 -0800
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
Message-ID: <C76B9B16.46EE7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Can anyone think of way to scale the imageSource representation of an image
in a field without actually scaling the source image?

I have a bunch of Web based thumbnail images that are larger than I would
like, which I want to display in a field via imageSource links.  The only
way I can think to scale the imageSource display is to set the fileName of
an intermediate image object to the URL of the thumbnail, scale the
intermediate image, and then point the imageSource items in the field at the
intermediate image object.  But then I think I would need a separate
intermediate image for every imageSource reference, which will eventually
become unmanageable.

I tried adding standard HTML size tags (width =, height =) to the HTMLtext
of the field but these seem to be ignored.

Any other ideas on how I might do this?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 17:19:09 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:19:09 +1000
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
In-Reply-To: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f5ccf521001070851t59a10a8by312bcd90e8873cb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5205532-19EB-4762-B648-1C42DDD9CE00@gmail.com>

Have you tried starting tRev with the option key held down? This  
forces a re-install of all the components.

Cheers,
Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/01/2010, at 2:51 AM, Eric Sciolli <eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I've downloaded last version of tRev but when I try to open it on
> macosx 10.6.2 it closes suddenly; does someone encountered this
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Eric
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From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Jan  7 17:29:20 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:29:20 +0200
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C76C2CE0.CEECF%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/7/10 10:23 PM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bernard,

> I recently decided to take a fresh look at Valentina.  As the licensed
> copy I had was quite old, I upgraded to 4.3
> 
> On Vista with RevEnt 4.0, I decided the easiest way to learn more
> about Valentina was using Trevor's LibDatabase library.  (I know that
> it's kind of 'old hat' compared to SQL Yoga, but LibDatabase appeals
> to me).
> 
> I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
> these days.  I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
> the Revolution program directories (i.e. it did not add itself to the
> list of externals in the Externals text file, nor add the drivers to
> the folder containing database drivers).
> 
> I got the example stack provided by Paradigma to work by adding the
> V4Rev.dll file to the external references of the Examples main stack.
> 
> When it comes to making use of LibDatabase, the only way I could get
> it to work was by adding V4Rev.dll to the externals of the library).
> I was getting an error at at the point where LibDatabase calls
> Valentina_Init.  It seems to me that the main stack of an application
> should be where the externals are set, not in a library stack.  I am
> sure that if LibDatabase required a reference to any relevant
> externals, Trevor would have said so (he's a thorough kinda guy).

Yes I think Trevor can answer this, and most probably this is describe in
some docs.
 
> Also, does anyone know how to get an error string back from Valentina?

** If you will look into V4REV/Examples you will see how to work with Errors
codes and strings.

** This is entry point of Valentina for REV docs in WIKI

<http://valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:products:adk:v4rev:v
4rev>

Here you can find simple steps how to install,
Tutorial, PDF of API, ...


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu Jan  7 07:44:09 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:44:09 +0100
Subject: (Data Grid) How to get the setting of the
	dgHeaderAlignment["column"] saved
Message-ID: <BF6FD4CC-5B96-4DB9-968C-E11F3111E870@inria.fr>

Bonjour,

I have a data grid "DataGrid" defined with the Inspector. The columns'  
headers are aligned to left.

In order to get the columns headers centered I do the following :
------
    put the dgProp["columns"] of group "DataGrid" into theColumns
    repeat for each line enil in theColumns
       set the dgHeaderAlignment[enil] of grp "DataGrid" of this cd to  
center
    end repeat
-------
Ok, that works well.

I save the stack
If I close the stack and reopen it, the headers are still centered.

But if I quit Rev, when I reopen the stack, the headers are aligned to  
left again.

What am I missing?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 18:48:41 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:48:41 -0600
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <C76B9B16.46EE7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C76B9B16.46EE7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B4672D9.6070503@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Can anyone think of way to scale the imageSource representation of an image
> in a field without actually scaling the source image?

Sadly, I don't think you can. You can set the fixedlineheight and it 
will cut off the image but it doesn't sound like that's what you want.

Did you try using a space?
<manic laughter>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Jan  7 21:28:59 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:28:59 +1100
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <C76B9B16.46EE7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C76CE39B.8712%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Scott - What about exporting the scaled image object to a 'random' temporary
file (using the tempname function), setting the imagesource and then
deleting the file. That way you should avoid the caching issues that Jacqui
brought up the other day.

Terry...

On 8/01/10 9:07 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Can anyone think of way to scale the imageSource representation of an image
> in a field without actually scaling the source image?
> 
> I have a bunch of Web based thumbnail images that are larger than I would
> like, which I want to display in a field via imageSource links.  The only
> way I can think to scale the imageSource display is to set the fileName of
> an intermediate image object to the URL of the thumbnail, scale the
> intermediate image, and then point the imageSource items in the field at the
> intermediate image object.  But then I think I would need a separate
> intermediate image for every imageSource reference, which will eventually
> become unmanageable.
> 
> I tried adding standard HTML size tags (width =, height =) to the HTMLtext
> of the field but these seem to be ignored.
> 
> Any other ideas on how I might do this?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  7 23:45:22 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:45:22 -0600
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <C76CE39B.8712%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C76CE39B.8712%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4B46B862.5090908@hyperactivesw.com>

Terry Judd wrote:
> Scott - What about exporting the scaled image object to a 'random' temporary
> file (using the tempname function), setting the imagesource and then
> deleting the file. That way you should avoid the caching issues that Jacqui
> brought up the other day.

What an interesting idea. Nice.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Jan  8 00:36:14 2010
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:36:14 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B454AEB.2010200@pdslabs.net>
References: <4B451D3B.2080202@fourthworld.com> <4B453E02.8040902@pdslabs.net>
	<4B454AEB.2010200@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <131662C4-6579-42D6-BB82-6143CE20AC9F@elementarysoftware.com>

Very nice.  Thanks, Phil!

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------


On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Here is an simplified 'system_profiler' output approach. It returns one tab-delimited line of info per detachable USB storage device, with all the data items known to system_profiler for each device. NOTE: It expects system_profiler output to be in English.
> 
> 
> function macUsbDrives
>   -- get USB device info from system profiler
>   put shell("system_profiler -detailLevel full SPUSBDataType") into tData
> 
>   -- convert data to one line per USB device
>   replace (colon & cr & cr) with numToChar(245) in tData -- device name
>   replace (cr & cr) with numtoChar(250) in tData
>   replace cr with tab in tData
>   replace numtoChar(245) with (colon & tab) in tData
>   replace numtoChar(250) with cr in tData
> 
>   -- remove records for all but USB drives (English data only)
>   filter tData with "*Detachable Drive: Yes*"
> 
>   -- remove space-padding from items in each line
>   set the itemDel to tab
>   repeat for each line tLine in tData
>      repeat for each item tItem in tLine
>         put word 1 to -1 of tItem & tab after tNewData
>      end repeat
>      put cr into last char of tNewData
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of tNewData
> 
>   -- return the data
>   return tNewData
> end macUsbDrives
> 
> HTH -
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/6/10 5:50 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>> On 1/6/10 3:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> tsj wrote:
>>>> Richard - I haven't got an unnamed USB drive handy to test this with but
>>>> what does the volumes function return when one is mounted? Does this give
>>>> you the expected "untitled" (or "untitled 1" etc)?
>>>> 
>>>> If so, you could iterate through the listed volumes using a couple of
>>>> applescripts to determine whether the drive was local (false if it's a
>>>> network drive) ejectable (false if it's internal) and then if you get two
>>>> false results you can attempt to open a file on the volume. If that gives
>>>> you an error then the drive is write protected. If it passes all tests then
>>>> you're left (presumably) with an external USB or Firewire drive.
>> 
>> The "passes all tests" list can also includes mounted .dmg files.
>> 
>> Thanks for posting this - very helpful.
> 
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan  8 00:52:02 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:52:02 -0800
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <C76CE39B.8712%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C76C0802.46F0A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Terry Judd wrote:

>> Can anyone think of way to scale the imageSource representation of an image
>> in a field without actually scaling the source image?

> What about exporting the scaled image object to a 'random' temporary
> file (using the tempname function), setting the imagesource and then
> deleting the file. That way you should avoid the caching issues that Jacqui
> brought up the other day.

As Jacque said, an interesting idea Terry.  In fact, the imageSource caching
"feature" could actually work to my benefit since the thumbnails could all
be exported to a single temp image without fear of updating the other
imageSource references.  Using one fileName would be a bit less messy than
using 40 or so separate exports I would have to deal with (40 thumbnails).

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  8 01:26:59 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:26:59 -0600
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <C76C0802.46F0A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C76C0802.46F0A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B46D033.2090203@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

> As Jacque said, an interesting idea Terry.  In fact, the imageSource caching
> "feature" could actually work to my benefit since the thumbnails could all
> be exported to a single temp image without fear of updating the other
> imageSource references.  Using one fileName would be a bit less messy than
> using 40 or so separate exports I would have to deal with (40 thumbnails).

Let us know if it works. I have a hunch that Rev will only read the 
first iteration of the image and all the subsequent imagesource 
references to the same file will look like the first one. But I'm not 
sure, so I'm curious. And if it does work, we all have a new trick.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan  8 02:02:41 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:02:41 -0800
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <4B46D033.2090203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C76C1891.46F0F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

>> As Jacque said, an interesting idea Terry.  In fact, the imageSource caching
>> "feature" could actually work to my benefit since the thumbnails could all
>> be exported to a single temp image without fear of updating the other
>> imageSource references.  Using one fileName would be a bit less messy than
>> using 40 or so separate exports I would have to deal with (40 thumbnails).
> 
> Let us know if it works. I have a hunch that Rev will only read the
> first iteration of the image and all the subsequent imagesource
> references to the same file will look like the first one. But I'm not
> sure, so I'm curious. And if it does work, we all have a new trick.

Oops, you're probably right.  If I get a chance to try it I'll report back.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Jan  8 02:05:07 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:05:07 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <131662C4-6579-42D6-BB82-6143CE20AC9F@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <4B451D3B.2080202@fourthworld.com>
	<4B453E02.8040902@pdslabs.net>	<4B454AEB.2010200@pdslabs.net>
	<131662C4-6579-42D6-BB82-6143CE20AC9F@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4B46D923.2080503@pdslabs.net>

On 1/7/10 9:36 PM, Scott Morrow wrote:
> Very nice.  Thanks, Phil!
>
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
>    
You're welcome!

Here is an improved version of the original handler. It adds a "Device:" 
label to the device name and replaces the single "Volumes:" label before 
ALL volume descriptions with a "Volume:" label before EACH volume 
description (should make it easier to break out descriptions of each 
partition on a USB drive).

function macUsbDrives
    -- get USB device info from system profiler
    put shell("system_profiler -detailLevel full SPUSBDataType") into tData

    -- convert data to one line per USB device
    replace (colon & cr & cr) with numToChar(245) in tData -- device name
    replace (cr & cr) with numtoChar(250) in tData
    replace cr with tab in tData
    replace numtoChar(245) with (colon & tab) in tData
    replace numtoChar(250) with cr in tData

    -- remove records for all but USB drives (English data only)
    filter tData with "*Detachable Drive: Yes*"

    -- remove space-padding from items in each line
    set the itemDel to tab
    repeat for each line tLine in tData
       put empty into tNewLine
       repeat for each item tItem in tLine
          put word 1 to -1 of tItem & tab after tNewLine
       end repeat

       -- insert a device tag at beginning of device description
       delete last char of item 1 of tNewLine -- trailing colon
       put "Device: " before item 1 of tNewLine

       -- remove single 'volumes:' tag at beginning of all volume 
descriptions
       replace "Volumes:" & tab with empty in tNewLine

       -- insert a "volume: " tag at the start of each volume description
       replace (colon & tab) with cr in tNewLine -- break after each 
volume name
       repeat with x = 1 to (the number of lines in tNewLine - 1)
          put "Volume: " before last item of line x of tNewLine
       end repeat
       replace cr with tab in tNewLine

       -- append finished line to rest of data
       put cr into last char of tNewLine
       put tNewLine after tNewData
    end repeat
    delete last char of tNewData

    -- return the data
    return tNewData
end macUsbDrives

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 02:23:29 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:23:29 -0800
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <4B46D033.2090203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C76C0802.46F0A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4B46D033.2090203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9821FE5-DE56-4011-B2CC-4A704E8BDA9B@yahoo.com>

Would this work?

delete image "currentThumb"
import your image
put the last image id into newId
set the name of image id newId to "currentThumb"
set the imageSource of char thisChar of field 1 to "currentThumb"

You could detect the if(same thumbnail condition) by storing it in a  
variable, then comparing this imagedata to the new thumb.


On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> As Jacque said, an interesting idea Terry.  In fact, the  
>> imageSource caching
>> "feature" could actually work to my benefit since the thumbnails  
>> could all
>> be exported to a single temp image without fear of updating the other
>> imageSource references.  Using one fileName would be a bit less  
>> messy than
>> using 40 or so separate exports I would have to deal with (40  
>> thumbnails).
>
> Let us know if it works. I have a hunch that Rev will only read the  
> first iteration of the image and all the subsequent imagesource  
> references to the same file will look like the first one. But I'm  
> not sure, so I'm curious. And if it does work, we all have a new  
> trick.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 05:44:13 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:44:13 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <0003AE34.4B45CE48@192.168.168.3>
References: <0003AE34.4B45CE48@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001080244s3dbd99afw2537334e642eee6c@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know who is poking pigs; but I do feel a grunt coming on . . .  :)

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM, <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

> > buy the cat in a bag (german saying, don't know the English one)
>
> to buy a pig in a poke  ;-)
>
> Matthias
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Jan  8 06:27:31 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:27:31 +0100
Subject: AW: Re-2: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080244s3dbd99afw2537334e642eee6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <502B064124DD4DCCBA446C28877F4A16@Kestner.local>

Is there also a german saying for this - anybody?
Don't find it in my dict ;)
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richmond Mathewson
> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 11:44
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Re-2: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
> 
> I don't know who is poking pigs; but I do feel a grunt coming on . . .  :)
> 
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM, <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> > > buy the cat in a bag (german saying, don't know the English one)
> >
> > to buy a pig in a poke  ;-)
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Jan  8 07:25:35 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:25:35 +1100
Subject: Scale ImageSource?
In-Reply-To: <C76C1891.46F0F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C76D6F6F.8722%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 8/01/10 6:02 PM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> As Jacque said, an interesting idea Terry.  In fact, the imageSource caching
>>> "feature" could actually work to my benefit since the thumbnails could all
>>> be exported to a single temp image without fear of updating the other
>>> imageSource references.  Using one fileName would be a bit less messy than
>>> using 40 or so separate exports I would have to deal with (40 thumbnails).
>> 
>> Let us know if it works. I have a hunch that Rev will only read the
>> first iteration of the image and all the subsequent imagesource
>> references to the same file will look like the first one. But I'm not
>> sure, so I'm curious. And if it does work, we all have a new trick.
> 
> Oops, you're probably right.  If I get a chance to try it I'll report back.

Yep - I reckon they will all be the same as well which is why I suggested
using the tempname function to provide a unique file path, writing the image
to it, setting the imagesource and then deleting the temporary file. I might
have confused things unnecessarily by mentioning the caching issue, which on
reflection seems not to be relevant if you use this method.

Terry...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 07:48:03 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:48:03 +0100
Subject: Re-2: Edinburgh Conference DVDs
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080244s3dbd99afw2537334e642eee6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0003AE34.4B45CE48@192.168.168.3>
	<74ac8f551001080244s3dbd99afw2537334e642eee6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001080448m72fbdaf1ve7ededd41d25175a@mail.gmail.com>

The grunt of a slug, the nights of full moon?

2010/1/8 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> I don't know who is poking pigs; but I do feel a grunt coming on . . . ?:)
>

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Fri Jan  8 07:59:53 2010
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:59:53 +0000
Subject: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows
In-Reply-To: <20100101180006.DBD97488F77@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100101180006.DBD97488F77@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E431DAD0-591B-4F8A-BF93-0600D648F0D2@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>


On 1 Jan 2010, at 6:00 pm, Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:

> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Date: 1 January 2010 4:52:38 pm GMT
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> 
> 
> Jim Ault wrote:
>> Of course this should make no difference...
>> try using parens
>> set the imageSource of last char of fld "ResultsT" to ("binfile:" & k)
>> answer ("binfile:" & k)
> 
> I was about the suggest the same thing. It does make a difference. The parentheses are required to force evaluation.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

I have been busy on other stuff, so I am only just catching up with this.  I don't think I will mess with success on this one.  However, the parentheses thing is really useful to know.  I always understood they organised evaluation, but hadn't appreciated that they force it - which presumable might be what happens with a direct reference to a line in the field.  

Still don't quite grasp the platform issue though...

Thanks to all who chipped in.

David Glasgow


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 09:34:00 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:34:00 EST
Subject: Locking size and position
Message-ID: <bcd.62f5ea76.38789c58@aol.com>

I was surprised to learn that a control that has its position locked in the 
inspector can't be moved in edit mode, but can be moved under script 
control. Should I have been so surprised?

In other words, is there a way to really, really lock such a property of an 
object? (without trapping every possible "set" command that might refer to 
that object) The lockLocation property merely reflects the status of the 
setting.

Craig Newman


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Jan  8 10:27:28 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:27:28 -0800
Subject: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows
In-Reply-To: <4E56331C-0DB5-4603-A1FC-C5784A0371AA@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20091220101527.5F4A428822B@mail.runrev.com>
	<4E56331C-0DB5-4603-A1FC-C5784A0371AA@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001080727t3778f566ue3916d86d446938e@mail.gmail.com>

Spaces in filepath names? Try filenames with no spaces, use underscores.




> The snapshots are saved to a location such as
>
> C:/Users/DavidG/Documents/This_Much!/Anon 12 28 08 [11-36
> AM]/graphics/image1.png
> C:/Users/DavidG/Documents/This_Much!/Anon 12 28 08 [11-39
> AM]/graphics/image2.png
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:40:47 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:40:47 +0000
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
Message-ID: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>

My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
a dog's dinner . . .

Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]

with this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

[dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  8 10:42:10 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:42:10 -0800
Subject: Locking size and position
Message-ID: <4B475252.3060104@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:
> I was surprised to learn that a control that has its position locked in the
> inspector can't be moved in edit mode, but can be moved under script
> control. Should I have been so surprised?
>
> In other words, is there a way to really, really lock such a property of an
> object?

Sure:  set the lockLoc of the object to true and don't write any scripts 
that move it. :)

But seriously, can you tell us a bit more about the circumstances in 
your app you need to account for?

The lockLoc property prevents interactively adjusting the object with 
the mouse, but leaves your scripts free to control its size and position.

While the IDE provides tools which can affect an object's size, in that 
development mode you're likely to be doing layout tasks anyway so that 
doesn't seem so bad.

At runtime, unless you provide an extensible architecture in which other 
scripters can add stuff to your environment you should have complete 
control over what can and can't happen with those objects, so for 
deployment the lockLoc property would seem reasonably useful.

What circumstances are you encountering in which the lockLoc property 
and your scripts aren't providing what you need for the end-user experience?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Jan  8 10:43:53 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:43:53 -0800
Subject: Locking size and position
In-Reply-To: <bcd.62f5ea76.38789c58@aol.com>
References: <bcd.62f5ea76.38789c58@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F968045-FD87-4484-BCA8-2E3F05195ABE@cruzio.com>

I don't think you should be surprised (though it was an "aha" moment when I first saw this was the case).

Not sure why you'd want to lock something down so tight even you couldn't  move it via script.   But if you don't want it moved, you'd have to except the particular object in your script that is moving neighboring objects (I'm assuming probably grouped?), somehow, I guess.  You could also store the desired location of the property in a custom property and reset its loc via a send in time, though that wouldn't look so nice, I don't think.  I'm sure other will offer better solutions, but I'm glad I can move locked items via script... what a pain it would be otherwise.  

What are you trying to accomplish?

Mark

On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:34 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I was surprised to learn that a control that has its position locked in the 
> inspector can't be moved in edit mode, but can be moved under script 
> control. Should I have been so surprised?
> 
> In other words, is there a way to really, really lock such a property of an 
> object? (without trapping every possible "set" command that might refer to 
> that object) The lockLocation property merely reflects the status of the 
> setting.
> 
> Craig Newman
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan  8 10:45:06 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:45:06 +0100
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AFBCE39-B1A9-4BEF-9EE9-9AC608B8D868@numericable.com>

Hello Richmond !
For me the second one is better (the principle) but with Ganesh !! :-)
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 8 janv. 2010 ? 16:40, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
> a dog's dinner . . .
> 
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
> 
> with this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan  8 11:09:12 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:09:12 -0500
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F93F9FAF-E671-4DC1-8742-1898D599FA69@verizon.net>

Both sites are somewhat plain. Have you thought about using a tool that comes with nice design templates, like iWeb for example?

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri Jan  8 11:09:44 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:09:44 -0500
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C774F722-9429-41DD-AA14-D80775A28490@all-auctions.com>

Hi Richmond,

I hate to have to say it, but your sister is probably correct.

I think the rather raw naked brain at the very bottom almost
made me loose my breakfast, which is then something a
dog might consider for dinner.  Blah!

The second example is a much cleaner, and organized start.

Unfortunately in our age of the web now, everything has to have
that graphic artist professional polished brush look or no one takes
one's website seriously.  I wish this was not the case myself as it
has raised the cost of website development astronomically for
everyone.

Good luck with your revisions, and remember that you can't
please all of the people all of the time.  There will always be
some critics out there who will say they don't like your site no
matter how well polished it is.

Cheers,

Rick

On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
> a dog's dinner . . .
> 
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
> 
> with this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 11:13:44 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:13:44 EST
Subject: Locking size and position
Message-ID: <d4a.64a0b44d.3878b3b8@aol.com>

Mark, Richard.

It is mainly academic for me. It came up when I tried to set the loc of an 
object in a certain stack from a utility stack I use, without specifying the 
pathname of that object. A similar object in the utility stack moved 
instead.

I was just playing around, set the lockLocation property in the utility 
stack, and noticed it had no effect. Not a biggie; I learned a bit more. It 
certainly cannot be considered a bug. And you both made the point that a script 
would likely have a good reason to move an object, whereas a person with a 
mouse might not.

Thanks for the replies. 

Craig


From fmoyer at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 11:17:13 2010
From: fmoyer at aol.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:17:13 -0700
Subject: 65535 limit?
In-Reply-To: <20100106180007.72D122881B2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100106180007.72D122881B2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B819A360-74AD-4698-82EB-BAAFE272EAB2@aol.com>

Thanks Jim for the input. Yes, because of Rev's limitation, I will  
have to redesign using something like what you describe. But given my  
particular application, keeping all images side-by-side would have  
been far preferable and simpler.

Fred

On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:12:04 -0800
> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: 65535 limit?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <4810F2BE-9D67-45BE-AE93-D32291627488 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Rather than worry about maximums and future changes that could hamper
> performance, why not make several smaller groups that 'overlap' in a
> collage of sorts, then move all the groups as one?
> Maybe I am missing the point, so let me know.
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:
>
>> The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack
>> is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to
>> greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of
>> the User's guide, the "Maximum size of an object" is given as
>> "Unlimited". But I can't set the width of an object to greater than
>> 32767.
>>
>> What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by
>> making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100.
>> However, if I try to make the rect of the stack "-32767, 10,
>> 32767,100" Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.
>>
>> Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding
>> something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac
>> problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out
>> of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/
>> ever change?
>>
>> I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card
>> that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The
>> group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another.
>> One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's
>> HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many
>> images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater
>> than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while
>> setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen.
>> Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so
>> if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/
>> comments?
>



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 12:02:00 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:02:00 -0800
Subject: 65535 limit?
In-Reply-To: <B819A360-74AD-4698-82EB-BAAFE272EAB2@aol.com>
References: <20100106180007.72D122881B2@mail.runrev.com>
	<B819A360-74AD-4698-82EB-BAAFE272EAB2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9E14F3EC-03F8-497D-9598-AC8FB05B2E31@yahoo.com>

I guess what I was thinking is that the various groups are positioned  
edge to edge to make them 'side by side', kind of like a 3-dimensional  
patchwork quilt, or a technicolor dreamcoat.  Perhaps what you are  
saying is that positioning two groups still needs to remain within the  
32767.

Jim

On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:

> Thanks Jim for the input. Yes, because of Rev's limitation, I will  
> have to redesign using something like what you describe. But given  
> my particular application, keeping all images side-by-side would  
> have been far preferable and simpler.
>
> Fred
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:12:04 -0800
>> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: 65535 limit?
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <4810F2BE-9D67-45BE-AE93-D32291627488 at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> Rather than worry about maximums and future changes that could hamper
>> performance, why not make several smaller groups that 'overlap' in a
>> collage of sorts, then move all the groups as one?
>> Maybe I am missing the point, so let me know.
>>
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:
>>
>>> The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack
>>> is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to
>>> greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of
>>> the User's guide, the "Maximum size of an object" is given as
>>> "Unlimited". But I can't set the width of an object to greater than
>>> 32767.
>>>
>>> What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by
>>> making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100.
>>> However, if I try to make the rect of the stack "-32767, 10,
>>> 32767,100" Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.
>>>
>>> Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding
>>> something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac
>>> problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out
>>> of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/
>>> ever change?
>>>
>>> I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card
>>> that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The
>>> group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another.
>>> One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's
>>> HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many
>>> images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater
>>> than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while
>>> setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen.
>>> Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so
>>> if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/
>>> comments?
>>
>
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From robert at rman.on-rev.com  Fri Jan  8 12:17:20 2010
From: robert at rman.on-rev.com (Robert Man)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:17:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <C774F722-9429-41DD-AA14-D80775A28490@all-auctions.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
	<C774F722-9429-41DD-AA14-D80775A28490@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <1262971040736-1009823.post@n4.nabble.com>


I disagree! Find the first, naive... much more alive than the 2nd polished.

IN the end, i'd really say... 
a) is it a site to SEDUCE people? commercial.. 
b) or is it a site to EXPRESS yourself, and just GIVE ACCESS to your
pupils.. 

if a then, sure.. neither sites will do the job.. 
but, as I suspect it is b) then.. just don't bother tand do whatever PLEASES
YOU
(and let your sister do her site as she wishes i'd say!!! )

Have fun.. 

p.s; if you want a basic CMS site, i've developped one from andre garzia
basic cms sample on on-rev in april, and this I found was a very good base.


Rick Harrison wrote:
> 
> Hi Richmond,
> 
> I hate to have to say it, but your sister is probably correct.
> 
> 

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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Jan  8 12:17:16 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:17:16 -0600
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
In-Reply-To: <E269F8D9-0668-4445-84F3-CCC1033C4AA1@sunrise.ch>
References: <E269F8D9-0668-4445-84F3-CCC1033C4AA1@sunrise.ch>
Message-ID: <CF61914A-3F62-43CB-9F4E-53FD395D66DC@me.com>

Eric,

You can ask me directly...more effective. New version coming out  
today, but if you're having a problem we need to go through the  
process of me replicating the error, etc.

jerry at reveditor.com

The rest of us are doing fine, so there is something particular to the  
way you're set up, etc.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis

On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Eric Sciolli wrote:

> Hello Jacqueline
>
> your solution doesn't work... perhaps it's a bug with the new  
> version of tRev?
>
> Thanks
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Jan  8 12:21:03 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:21:03 +0000
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D7076D5-16AB-4C84-AD14-333CF514D358@anachreon.co.uk>

My eyes! My eyes!

On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website  
> looks like
> a dog's dinner . . .
>
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
>
> with this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
>
> [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Fri Jan  8 13:06:34 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:06:34 +0100
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36386F41-F196-4D17-A1CB-BA2CACA3B912@unil.ch>

Hi Richmond,

The old website is maybe a dog's dinner, but a rather appetizing one. The new one is terribly calvinist and my cat was not specially appealed...
I would at least soften it, these grey borders look like prison's walls seen from above.
And to milden it, put somewhere an illustrated and well visible logo symbolizing your interests - the problem is probably that you have too many of them ;).
I agree with Ren?: why not Ganesh-with-a-laptop ? Good introduction to DevaWriter !

Sicerely

Jacques

Le 8 janv. 2010 ? 16:40, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
> a dog's dinner . . .
> 
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
> 
> with this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan  8 13:27:11 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:27:11 +0100
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <1D7076D5-16AB-4C84-AD14-333CF514D358@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D7076D5-16AB-4C84-AD14-333CF514D358@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <84BA13F6-4617-4DA4-80C6-24B4945588A4@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Luis,

Am 08.01.2010 um 18:21 schrieb Luis:

> My eyes! My eyes!

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

> On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
>> a dog's dinner . . .
>> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
>> ...
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Jan  8 13:40:32 2010
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:40:32 -0800
Subject: Locking size and position
In-Reply-To: <20100108154214.186F628826E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100108154214.186F628826E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6CA228ED-77A5-4415-8198-CF96DB5562CE@netrin.com>

RichardG wrote:

> The lockLoc property prevents interactively adjusting the object with 
> the mouse, but leaves your scripts free to control its size and position.


The arrowkeys can also control (i.e., move) a locked object - handy.

Jim Lambert


From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  8 13:44:45 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:44:45 -0800
Subject: Drag and Drop in Datagrids
Message-ID: <B6619ABD-2E37-415E-B917-8B3F4D7BAC7F@twft.com>

Hi all. 

I seem to remember someone had worked out a method for drag and drop in datagrids, but I flush the posts from time to time and alas, I recently did so. I am now in need of some starting wisdom on the issue. The idea would be to begin a drag in a cell of a table, and create an image of the cell I am dragging. The purpose would be to re-order the items, or drag them to another list to add/link them. 

I can figure out what to do once I drop the item, but I think the trick will be taking a "snapshot" of what I intend to drag. 


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 13:44:59 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:44:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <84BA13F6-4617-4DA4-80C6-24B4945588A4@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <422452.78695.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

For all the comparative linguists out there: in our part of the world we would call the first website "a dog's breakfast." 

Besides the animated flags, everything looks fine and dandy. Those flags have to go.

 

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

> From: Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Crappy website
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:27 PM
> Hi Luis,
> 
> Am 08.01.2010 um 18:21 schrieb Luis:
> 
> > My eyes! My eyes!
> 
> :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
> 
> > On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> >> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me
> that my website looks like
> >> a dog's dinner . . .
> >> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing
> this:
> >> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html?
> [dog's dinner]
> >> ...
> >> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 13:49:28 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:49:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Drag and Drop in Datagrids
In-Reply-To: <B6619ABD-2E37-415E-B917-8B3F4D7BAC7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <460311.46276.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> Subject: Drag and Drop in Datagrids
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:44 PM
> Hi all. 
> 
> I seem to remember someone had worked out a method for drag
> and drop in datagrids, but I flush the posts from time to
> time and alas, I recently did so. I am now in need of some
> starting wisdom on the issue. The idea would be to begin a
> drag in a cell of a table, and create an image of the cell I
> am dragging. The purpose would be to re-order the items, or
> drag them to another list to add/link them. 
> 
> I can figure out what to do once I drop the item, but I
> think the trick will be taking a "snapshot" of what I intend
> to drag. 
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
> 
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jan  8 12:45:05 2010
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:45:05 +0100
Subject: Crappy website
Message-ID: <BD1354C5-16AE-4884-9301-ADF2314F8240@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany (I've moved)

Richard,

> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website  
> looks like
> a dog's dinner . . .
>
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:

This is your site, and you have put a ton of gung-ho and guts into it.
So, be proud of it, but be ready to submit to criticism. That's life !

1 - Tell them what you are going to tell them !
2 - Tell them !
3 - Tell them what you have told them !

Well - maybe you can forget rule 3 !!

Based upon those simple rules  :

1 - Start with an introduction page
(who am I, What am I selling, what have I got to sell).

2 - Separate the levels of information
(if it costs you a few HTML pages, so who cares ?)
(NEVER mix chalk and cheese (even if they are both white)

3 - Based upon rule 1, don't put too much info on page 1
(lead the user into the areas that may take his fancy).

4 - Use menus (they can be so useful)

5 - And this is the most important :

Don't add pages to your site by adding pointers from Page 1.
LOOK CAREFULLY at your PAGE HEIRARCHY (do you have one ?)
and redesign it if necessary.

and finally :

If you have to redesign your page hierarchy, this means that
you DIDN't HAVE a page heirarchy in the first place.

I have learned (with great pain), that building Internet sites
is the same as writing any program - (90% analysis, using some
antiquated material called a pencil and paper, and then 10%
writing and testing). Every time you put up a new HTML page,
you are only proving what you have already carefully designed !

I will now duck because of any sh*t hitting the fan !
(but then, nobody is perfect !)

-Francis




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Jan  8 14:19:40 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:19:40 -0400
Subject: Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <BD1354C5-16AE-4884-9301-ADF2314F8240@wanadoo.fr>
References: <BD1354C5-16AE-4884-9301-ADF2314F8240@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <459b22a91001081119q7dfee25frdc78985ceb9f143a@mail.gmail.com>

I had to look. The new website is pretty ugly. Maybe if you at least toned
things down to light colors and use black for the lettering?


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 14:24:55 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:24:55 EST
Subject: Locking size and position
Message-ID: <c43.5b0c8bc1.3878e087@aol.com>

I take it all back.

If I agree that a script should be able to move (or resize) an object whose 
lockLoc is "true" because scripts probably have a good reason for doing so, 
but that a user is precluded from doing so with a mouse, then why would 
that user be given the right to do so with an arrowKey? Not a bug per se, but 
certainly not consistent.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 1/8/10 1:40:45 PM, jiml at netrin.com writes:


> The arrowkeys can also control (i.e., move) a locked object - handy.
> 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  8 14:34:14 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:34:14 -0600
Subject: Locking size and position
In-Reply-To: <c43.5b0c8bc1.3878e087@aol.com>
References: <c43.5b0c8bc1.3878e087@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B4788B6.4050508@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> I take it all back.
> 
> If I agree that a script should be able to move (or resize) an object whose 
> lockLoc is "true" because scripts probably have a good reason for doing so, 
> but that a user is precluded from doing so with a mouse, then why would 
> that user be given the right to do so with an arrowKey? Not a bug per se, but 
> certainly not consistent.

It dates back to the MetaCard days. People were doing layouts and 
accidentally moving objects they didn't want to move because they were 
dragging a selection around several things at once. They asked for a 
lock so that drag-selecting wouldn't select specified objects. Ergo, 
lockloc. It's strictly to ease developers during the construction phase.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  8 14:37:16 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:37:16 -0600
Subject: Locking size and position
In-Reply-To: <4B4788B6.4050508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <c43.5b0c8bc1.3878e087@aol.com>
	<4B4788B6.4050508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B47896C.7080901@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> It's strictly to ease developers during the construction phase.


Oops, I should probably add that the functionality expanded after that. 
Lockloc is, of course, now used to prevent resizing of some objects 
(like groups and images) when their contents change. Without a lock, the 
default behavior is to resize to accomodate the new content; with a 
lock, the object boundaries remain fixed. In the case of images, the 
image itself resizes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 15:35:36 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:35:36 -0400
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
Message-ID: <3bbe202f1001081235j4c568ec8m343b7f0d57c669a7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richmond,

You are Scott, so i expected to find your familiar plaid
design in your website. ;-)

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/qResults.aspx?searchString=Mathewson

When time permits, i will create a stack to create
tartan designs. These designs show how you could create
nice looking patterns using simple elements... a great example
of economy of means:

http://www.bustler.net/index.php/event/economy_of_means_a_brief_history_of_doing_more_with_less/

Scottis were (Still are?) famous for their acute sense of economy... :-)

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4850359,00.html

So, Richmond... Keep your design simple, but elegant.

Have a great good 2010!

alejandro


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 15:35:37 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:35:37 EST
Subject: prehandler: (was: Locking size and position)
Message-ID: <c53.62123f4b.3878f119@aol.com>

Jacques.

OK, as mainly a development aid I see all that.

Rev is far less forgiving about trapping reserved words than you-know-what, 
so (I think) I cannot write a handler that traps "set", checks to see if my 
immovable object is in danger, and acts appropriately.

There was discussion a while back to have a universal handler trap in the 
engine, way in the front, that could be analyzed at will. What do you think? 
Before even the frontscripts, offer a control structure like:

on preHandler theMessage,paramList
...
end preHandler


It almost always just passes the usual stuff through, but you could check 
it at will to see, perhaps, if 'myImmovableObject' was somewhere in the 
paramList, and catch the "set" message that might be about to change its loc.

Craig

In a message dated 1/8/10 2:37:48 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> 
> > It's strictly to ease developers during the construction phase.
> 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  8 16:04:16 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:04:16 -0800
Subject: Locking size and position
Message-ID: <4B479DD0.4060500@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:

> I take it all back.
>
> If I agree that a script should be able to move (or resize) an object whose
> lockLoc is "true" because scripts probably have a good reason for doing so,
> but that a user is precluded from doing so with a mouse, then why would
> that user be given the right to do so with an arrowKey? Not a bug per se, but
> certainly not consistent.

This is not an engine behavior; being able to move objects with the 
arrow keys is done by scripting an arrowKey handler.

See the RevShortcuts frontScript in the Rev IDE, or the menuButton 
frontScript in the MC IDE.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
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  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 16:12:22 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:12:22 EST
Subject: Locking size and position
Message-ID: <cbe.55e02bc5.3878f9b6@aol.com>

Richard:

That explains that. Thanks. One day I will feel brave enough to look behind 
the curtain of this unbelievably rich program. Right now I am still reading 
the dictionary. I'm on page 5.

Craig


In a message dated 1/8/10 4:04:32 PM, ambassador at fourthworld.com writes:


> This is not an engine behavior; being able to move objects with the
> arrow keys is done by scripting an arrowKey handler.
> 
> See the RevShortcuts frontScript in the Rev IDE, or the menuButton
> frontScript in the MC IDE.
> 



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  8 16:17:38 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:17:38 -0500
Subject: (Data Grid) How to get the setting of the
	dgHeaderAlignment["column"] saved 
In-Reply-To: <02D2F3E4-A2F8-4287-844B-FAEF07A30A98@inria.fr>
References: <02D2F3E4-A2F8-4287-844B-FAEF07A30A98@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <7CAEBC7D-E4DA-4F0E-9497-1F3F850615C6@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> I have a data grid "DataGrid" defined with the Inspector. The  
> columns' headers are aligned to left.
>
> In order to get the columns headers centered I do the following :
> ------
>  put the dgProp["columns"] of group "DataGrid" into theColumns
>  repeat for each line enil in theColumns
>     set the dgHeaderAlignment[enil] of grp "DataGrid" of this cd to  
> center
>  end repeat
> -------
> Ok, that works well.
>
> I save the stack
> If I close the stack and reopen it, the headers are still centered.
>
> But if I quit Rev, when I reopen the stack, the headers are aligned  
> to left again.
>
> What am I missing?

It's a bug. The Data Grid isn't setting alignment when creating the  
headers from scratch.

You can either set the alignment each time your program opens or add a  
1 line fix to the Data Grid behavior script. Instructions follow.

======
1) Open Script
======

edit script of btn "Data Grid" of stack "revdatagridlibrary"

======
2) Locate _table.CreateHeaders command
======


======
3) Add line to _table.CreateHeaders command
======


             set the dgTooltip of theGroup to theColsA[theColumn] 
["tooltip"]
             set the dgHilite of theGroup to theColumn is  
sortByThisColumn
             #####
             ## ADD FOLLOWING LINE
            #####
             set the dgAlignment of theGroup to theColsA[theColumn] 
["header"]["alignment"]
             lock messages
         end if
     end repeat
end _table.CreateHeaders

======
4) save revDataGridLibrary stack
======

In message box execute:

save stack "revDataGridLibrary"


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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  8 16:25:28 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:25:28 -0500
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF09B7F7-7204-47C0-9E04-4012031D7DFD@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
> these days.  I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
> the Revolution program directories (i.e. it did not add itself to the
> list of externals in the Externals text file, nor add the drivers to
> the folder containing database drivers).

3rd party externals are traditionally added to the User Extensions  
folder. This folder is usually located in your documents folder. This  
lesson shows how to install an external and shows you how to find the  
User Extensions folder. I would check there for the Valentina files.

<http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/6347-How-To-Install-3rd-Party-Externals-For-Use-in-the-IDE-and-Standalone-Builder 
 >

After running the V4REV installer on OS X you need to restart  
Revolution so the externals can load. I have not tested on Windows  
though.

> I got the example stack provided by Paradigma to work by adding the
> V4Rev.dll file to the external references of the Examples main stack.
>
> When it comes to making use of LibDatabase, the only way I could get
> it to work was by adding V4Rev.dll to the externals of the library).
> I was getting an error at at the point where LibDatabase calls
> Valentina_Init.  It seems to me that the main stack of an application
> should be where the externals are set, not in a library stack.  I am
> sure that if LibDatabase required a reference to any relevant
> externals, Trevor would have said so (he's a thorough kinda guy).

libDatabase relies on the Valentina external being loaded and that the  
handlers are available in the message path. When working in the IDE  
the Valentina external should be available in the message path  
assuming it was loaded at startup (see aforementioned lesson for ways  
to test).

Now I have no idea if libDatabase will work with Valentina 4. I  
haven't looked at the libDatabase code in a looooooong time and  
Valentina 4 was not around when I did work on it. So you are kind of  
on your own when it comes to troubleshooting actual functionality...

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  8 16:29:47 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:29:47 -0500
Subject: Drag and Drop in Datagrids
In-Reply-To: <460311.46276.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <460311.46276.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B79428AC-993B-455A-9C1C-55BD2FF016B0@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Michael Kann wrote:

> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333

Hmm, I still need to document that...

-- 
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ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From kee at kagi.com  Fri Jan  8 18:57:48 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:57:48 -0800
Subject: unicode files? open file for text or binary?
Message-ID: <B3895BFA-D6A0-45E8-977E-06B0663B98AA@kagi.com>

I want to open a unicode file and read it. It has a BOM at the front to indicate what kind of encoding it uses (in this case UTF-16). Do I open this as a text file and read it and unicode goodness happens? Or is it a bunch of binary data that I need to somehow convert into unicode values (ug)?

Kee Nethery

From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:04:17 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:04:17 +1000
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001081604u3076970ft7af63c3000f9d41@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
> a dog's dinner . . .
>
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html ?[dog's dinner]
>
> with this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html


I guess my main problem with the original is that there is no overall
theme. Links are images of very different sizes and transparencies, so
it isn't obvious which are links.
The new one looks more consistent, which will make it easier to navigate.

But for people like me who are not into design, it is often easier to
start with a CSS template and adapt that to your needs.
http://www.freecsstemplates.org/ is one good source of such things and
it allows you to build a polished site with remarkably little effort.
Using CSS also makes it much easier to make sure all the pages on the
site have the same formatting, and changes are site-wide for even
easier editing.

Cheers,
Sarah


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jan  8 19:04:33 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 01:04:33 +0100
Subject: unicode files? open file for text or binary?
In-Reply-To: <B3895BFA-D6A0-45E8-977E-06B0663B98AA@kagi.com>
References: <B3895BFA-D6A0-45E8-977E-06B0663B98AA@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <3C83259D-2B3B-417C-8AC4-B0B2F3616B22@economy-x-talk.com>

Kee,

Read the data as binary. Use the BOM to detect UTF8/UTF16/UTF32 and  
the endian. If necessary, switch the bytes to change the endian.  
Delete the BOM and set the unicodeText of a field to the remaining data.

--
Best regards,

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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
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Op 9 jan 2010, om 00:57 heeft Kee Nethery het volgende geschreven:

> I want to open a unicode file and read it. It has a BOM at the front  
> to indicate what kind of encoding it uses (in this case UTF-16). Do  
> I open this as a text file and read it and unicode goodness happens?  
> Or is it a bunch of binary data that I need to somehow convert into  
> unicode values (ug)?
>
> Kee Nethery



From kee at kagi.com  Fri Jan  8 19:11:49 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:11:49 -0800
Subject: unicode files? open file for text or binary?
In-Reply-To: <3C83259D-2B3B-417C-8AC4-B0B2F3616B22@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <B3895BFA-D6A0-45E8-977E-06B0663B98AA@kagi.com>
	<3C83259D-2B3B-417C-8AC4-B0B2F3616B22@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <6AE8D629-917B-4601-A6A0-B9A0560D8CAE@kagi.com>

Mark, thank you for the answer. 

Kee Nethery


On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Kee,
> 
> Read the data as binary. Use the BOM to detect UTF8/UTF16/UTF32 and the endian. If necessary, switch the bytes to change the endian. Delete the BOM and set the unicodeText of a field to the remaining data.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> 
> We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any further obligations
> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
> 
> Op 9 jan 2010, om 00:57 heeft Kee Nethery het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> I want to open a unicode file and read it. It has a BOM at the front to indicate what kind of encoding it uses (in this case UTF-16). Do I open this as a text file and read it and unicode goodness happens? Or is it a bunch of binary data that I need to somehow convert into unicode values (ug)?
>> 
>> Kee Nethery
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  8 19:27:22 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:27:22 -0800
Subject: the dragdestination wierdness
Message-ID: <202C817E-B29C-4DD2-B5EF-E92FD864323C@twft.com>

Hi all. 

This may or may not be a bug. When I drag from one column of data in a datagrid to another column of data in the SAME datagrid, I get what you might expect, which is, the dgDataControl of the target contains the long id of the column name I am dragging from, and the dragdestination contains the long id of the column I am dropping onto. 

HOWEVER...

If I drop on a different place in THE SAME COLUMN, then the dragdestination contains "_ColumnData_" which really does me no good at all. What I really want to do is be able to drag a CELL of a datagrid to another cell in the same column so I can reorder JUST THAT COLUMN. 

I cannot believe that the text "_ColumnData_" is what the developers intended to return under these circumstances. Anyone?


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  8 19:27:28 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:27:28 -0800
Subject: Creating data grids by script
In-Reply-To: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E65C431-D8FF-43E1-8336-9A8F43877F57@sbcglobal.net>

I need to create new cards with data grids on them.

I tried copying a DG from one card and pasting into the newly create  
card, but the pasted DG doesn't seem to recognize the "dgDataControl  
of the mouseControl."

Is it possible to create a DG by script on a new card?

Jim Hurley





From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:40:27 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 01:40:27 +0100
Subject: Creating data grids by script
In-Reply-To: <3E65C431-D8FF-43E1-8336-9A8F43877F57@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
	<3E65C431-D8FF-43E1-8336-9A8F43877F57@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001081640w497f5113u478b760b858314fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

Have a look here:
http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4488-Creating-A-Data-Grid-By-Hand

2010/1/9 James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>:
> I need to create new cards with data grids on them.
>
> I tried copying a DG from one card and pasting into the newly create card,
> but the pasted DG doesn't seem to recognize the "dgDataControl of the
> mouseControl."
>
> Is it possible to create a DG by script on a new card?
>
> Jim Hurley
>



-- 
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http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  8 19:49:16 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:49:16 -0800
Subject: the dragdestination wierdness
Message-ID: <06BAD846-329F-472B-940A-33D890ED1CEC@twft.com>

Apparently what is happening is that when I drag within a datagrid to another row in the same datagrid, the DragDestination returns the name of the TEMPLATE field, and NOT the name of the INSTANCE field, that is the field named after the column, and the index number. 

Bob


> Hi all. 
> 
> This may or may not be a bug. When I drag from one column of data in a datagrid to another column of data in the SAME datagrid, I get what you might expect, which is, the dgDataControl of the target contains the long id of the column name I am dragging from, and the dragdestination contains the long id of the column I am dropping onto. 
> 
> HOWEVER...
> 
> If I drop on a different place in THE SAME COLUMN, then the dragdestination contains "_ColumnData_" which really does me no good at all. What I really want to do is be able to drag a CELL of a datagrid to another cell in the same column so I can reorder JUST THAT COLUMN. 
> 
> I cannot believe that the text "_ColumnData_" is what the developers intended to return under these circumstances. Anyone?
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
> 


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  8 20:09:28 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:09:28 -0800
Subject: Creating data grids by script
In-Reply-To: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A5584C8E-AEB3-4BF7-AFD1-C947AF5C60F7@sbcglobal.net>

> Hi Jim,
> Have a look here:
> http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4488-Creating-A-Data-Grid-By-Hand
>
>
>

Thanks. That sort of works. The data grid created is a little strange.  
If I select it and hit the delete key, it won't delete. It can be cut  
however.

I might have found this but lesson name reads:

      Creating A Data Grid By Hand
But then the lesson begins:

      This lesson will show you how to create a data grid through  
script.

Perhaps change the "By Hand" to "By Script" ?



Thanks again,

Jim



>> 2010/1/9 James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>:
>> I need to create new cards with data grids on them.
>>
>> I tried copying a DG from one card and pasting into the newly  
>> create card, but the pasted DG doesn't seem to recognize the  
>> "dgDataControl of the mouseControl."
>>
>> Is it possible to create a DG by script on a new card?
>>
>> Jim Hurley


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  8 20:12:11 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:12:11 -0500
Subject: the dragdestination wierdness
In-Reply-To: <06BAD846-329F-472B-940A-33D890ED1CEC@twft.com>
References: <06BAD846-329F-472B-940A-33D890ED1CEC@twft.com>
Message-ID: <036ABEA8-C2F2-401D-8DC5-168507061626@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Apparently what is happening is that when I drag within a datagrid  
> to another row in the same datagrid, the DragDestination returns the  
> name of the TEMPLATE field, and NOT the name of the INSTANCE field,  
> that is the field named after the column, and the index number.

_ColumnData_ is the name of the field. You want to access the custom  
props of the cell. Try checking the dgColumn of the dragDestination.

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From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  8 20:13:49 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:13:49 -0800
Subject: Accessing the inaccessible 
In-Reply-To: <20100108154213.F37EA28826D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100108154213.F37EA28826D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6EEDCADE-6D4E-47C8-A523-18BCBDA5789C@sbcglobal.net>

RIght now I have a collection of fields arranged in a grid--5 across  
and 31 down. They were created by script and run off the bottom of the  
screen. I would like to group them and put in a vertical scrollbar,  
but I can't get at them to select those off the bottom of the screen.

Any thoughts? Is it possible to select a collection of controls by  
script and then group them?

Jim Hurley





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  8 20:17:26 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:17:26 -0800
Subject: Accessing the inaccessible
Message-ID: <4B47D926.4090606@fourthworld.com>

James Hurley wrote:
> RIght now I have a collection of fields arranged in a grid--5 across
> and 31 down. They were created by script and run off the bottom of the
> screen. I would like to group them and put in a vertical scrollbar,
> but I can't get at them to select those off the bottom of the screen.
>
> Any thoughts? Is it possible to select a collection of controls by
> script and then group them?

One of the great things about Rev is that if the IDE can do it you can 
do it too. :)

repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields
   set the selected of fld i to true
end repeat
group


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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  8 20:31:49 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:31:49 -0800
Subject: the dragdestination wierdness
In-Reply-To: <036ABEA8-C2F2-401D-8DC5-168507061626@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <06BAD846-329F-472B-940A-33D890ED1CEC@twft.com>
	<036ABEA8-C2F2-401D-8DC5-168507061626@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <181C760B-FCFC-4C28-B202-A0B47479F033@twft.com>

Hi Trevor. 

That throws an error. The DragDestination returns the long id of the INSTANCE of the template, or so it seems to me. Only the last column is returning the long id of the TEMPLATE field itself. In no case do any of the returned fields have the property dgColumn. 

I can get the dgColumn of the target, but that does not return the actual row I dropped on, but only the column itself. I tried to get the dgRow of the target, but of course that didn't work because the target is a column. 

I am going to have to play around some more. I am not sure I am getting this. Thanks for the reply. BTW here is my code: 

on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
   
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
   
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theTargetLongID
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
   
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
   
   ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   set the dragData["private"] to the short name of theDataControl
    
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
   put theIndex & return & the dragData["private"]
end dragStart
   
on DragDrop
   put the dragDestination into theDestination
   put dragData["private"] & return & the short name of theDestination & return & the dgColumn of the target 
end DragDrop  


When I drag from column 1 to column 1 on a different row I get this:
PriFields 0001
PriFields 0002
PriFields 


When I drag from any column to the LAST row I get this:
PriFields 0001
_ColumnData_
SecFields

On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> _ColumnData_ is the name of the field. You want to access the custom props of the cell. Try checking the dgColumn of the dragDestination.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan  8 20:34:38 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:34:38 -0700
Subject: Database access in revlet?
Message-ID: <68505106-0A0C-475B-BDA0-D853F5FCB006@byu.edu>

I know there isn't supposed to be any special setup required to run  
revlets that access online databases (MySQL in this case). In fact, a  
couple of months ago I took a stack that heavily accesses dbs and made  
it into a revlet, and it worked like a charm. But now I'm trying to do  
another one and it loads, but whenever it tries to make a db query-- 
nothing.

Anyone have experience with this? I'm under the gun to get a project  
up by next week.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  8 20:43:51 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:43:51 -0800
Subject: the dragdestination wierdness
In-Reply-To: <036ABEA8-C2F2-401D-8DC5-168507061626@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <06BAD846-329F-472B-940A-33D890ED1CEC@twft.com>
	<036ABEA8-C2F2-401D-8DC5-168507061626@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <68118312-4C58-4FD5-9C38-2AE9D1237B18@twft.com>

Here's an update. Seems I was overcomplicating things by trying to read the API docs and not knowing what I was doing. This works:

on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
   
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
   
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theTargetLongID
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
   
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
   
   ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   set the dragData["private"] to the short name of theDataControl
    
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
end dragStart
   
on DragDrop
   put dragData["private"] into theDropSource
   put the short name of the dgDataControl of the target into theDropTarget
   put theDropSource & return & theDropTarget 
end DragDrop  

This returns: 
SecFields 0001
SecFields 0002

As expected, or more specifically, the source of the drag and the destination of the drop. I didn't know "the dgDataControl of the target" changed when I executed a drag and drop. I thought it only referred to the source of the drag. 

Bob


On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Apparently what is happening is that when I drag within a datagrid to another row in the same datagrid, the DragDestination returns the name of the TEMPLATE field, and NOT the name of the INSTANCE field, that is the field named after the column, and the index number.
> 
> _ColumnData_ is the name of the field. You want to access the custom props of the cell. Try checking the dgColumn of the dragDestination.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan  8 20:45:56 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:45:56 -0700
Subject: Database access in revlet?
In-Reply-To: <68505106-0A0C-475B-BDA0-D853F5FCB006@byu.edu>
References: <68505106-0A0C-475B-BDA0-D853F5FCB006@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4BD564E0-F2F2-4A83-9E29-F32A36171190@byu.edu>

Well, as often happens, the act of posting about my problem triggered  
an idea of something I had forgotten to check. It turns out that I  
forgot I was doing some fancy shell calls to make sure the database  
port was open before  trying to connect to the db. Works just fine as  
a standalone, but the plugin rightly refuses access to shell calls  
unless you ask for permission. I had set it to auto-detect, and it  
didn't catch the shell call. At any rate, I just commented out the  
calls and it worked like a charm.

Going home for the weekend. My head hurts.

Devin


On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> I know there isn't supposed to be any special setup required to run
> revlets that access online databases (MySQL in this case). In fact, a
> couple of months ago I took a stack that heavily accesses dbs and made
> it into a revlet, and it worked like a charm. But now I'm trying to do
> another one and it loads, but whenever it tries to make a db query--
> nothing.
>
> Anyone have experience with this? I'm under the gun to get a project
> up by next week.

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri Jan  8 20:46:00 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:46:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001081604u3076970ft7af63c3000f9d41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF4C38C424.DB4D4B4E-ON852576A6.0008F60E-852576A6.0009B525@sealedair.com>

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks
like
> a dog's dinner . . .
>
> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html ?[dog's dinner]
>
> with this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

Like Sarah said:
> But for people like me who are not into design, it is often easier to
> start with a CSS template and adapt that to your needs.

Templates are wonderful!  I have recently started a site for my robotics
hobby using a FREE hosting service. I know Richmond likes freebies and I do
too. Take a look at my first go at a website using the online site builder
(also free).  http://www.ellerrobotics.webege.com/

~Roger Eller  <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan  8 20:59:19 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:59:19 -0700
Subject: Database access in revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4BD564E0-F2F2-4A83-9E29-F32A36171190@byu.edu>
References: <68505106-0A0C-475B-BDA0-D853F5FCB006@byu.edu>
	<4BD564E0-F2F2-4A83-9E29-F32A36171190@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <5AE0E8F5-94F1-42F9-B168-A139C98A3C09@byu.edu>

One more report: I couldn't get the revlet to work with the shell  
call, even when I manually selected Shell calls under the Security  
settings in the standalone builder. In fact, when the revlet launches  
and asks for the needed permissions, Shell calls is not one of them.  
Process permission is requested, however, even though I hadn't  
selected that setting in the Security settings. I'm wondering if that  
checkbox is wired correctly in the standalone builder.

Can anyone confirm? Have you been able to get shell access in revlets?  
(I'm just going to leave out shell calls for now.)

Devin

On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Well, as often happens, the act of posting about my problem triggered
> an idea of something I had forgotten to check. It turns out that I
> forgot I was doing some fancy shell calls to make sure the database
> port was open before  trying to connect to the db. Works just fine as
> a standalone, but the plugin rightly refuses access to shell calls
> unless you ask for permission. I had set it to auto-detect, and it
> didn't catch the shell call. At any rate, I just commented out the
> calls and it worked like a charm.
>
> Going home for the weekend. My head hurts.
>
> Devin
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> I know there isn't supposed to be any special setup required to run
>> revlets that access online databases (MySQL in this case). In fact, a
>> couple of months ago I took a stack that heavily accesses dbs and  
>> made
>> it into a revlet, and it worked like a charm. But now I'm trying to  
>> do
>> another one and it loads, but whenever it tries to make a db query--
>> nothing.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with this? I'm under the gun to get a project
>> up by next week.
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  8 20:59:48 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:59:48 -0600
Subject: Locking size and position
In-Reply-To: <cbe.55e02bc5.3878f9b6@aol.com>
References: <cbe.55e02bc5.3878f9b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B47E314.4060503@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Richard:
> 
> That explains that. Thanks. One day I will feel brave enough to look behind 
> the curtain of this unbelievably rich program. Right now I am still reading 
> the dictionary. I'm on page 5.

You're ahead of most people, I think. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  8 21:05:58 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:05:58 -0600
Subject: prehandler: (was: Locking size and position)
In-Reply-To: <c53.62123f4b.3878f119@aol.com>
References: <c53.62123f4b.3878f119@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B47E486.50700@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Jacques.
> 
> OK, as mainly a development aid I see all that.
> 
> Rev is far less forgiving about trapping reserved words than you-know-what, 
> so (I think) I cannot write a handler that traps "set", checks to see if my 
> immovable object is in danger, and acts appropriately.

Right. None of the command or function keywords pass through the message 
hierarchy, they go directly to the engine, so you can't intercept. 
That's one of the reasons Rev is so fast.

> There was discussion a while back to have a universal handler trap in the 
> engine, way in the front, that could be analyzed at will. What do you think? 
> Before even the frontscripts, offer a control structure like:
> 
> on preHandler theMessage,paramList
> ...
> end preHandler
> 
> 
> It almost always just passes the usual stuff through, but you could check 
> it at will to see, perhaps, if 'myImmovableObject' was somewhere in the 
> paramList, and catch the "set" message that might be about to change its loc.

I used to be adamant that we needed a feature like that. I changed my 
mind because there was always some other way to do what I needed. Old 
habits die hard, but eventually they do hibernate.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 21:27:32 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:27:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Database access in revlet?
In-Reply-To: <5AE0E8F5-94F1-42F9-B168-A139C98A3C09@byu.edu>
References: <68505106-0A0C-475B-BDA0-D853F5FCB006@byu.edu>
	<4BD564E0-F2F2-4A83-9E29-F32A36171190@byu.edu>
	<5AE0E8F5-94F1-42F9-B168-A139C98A3C09@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1263004052923-1010143.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Devin,

After you finish this project, Could you post a tutorial
or lesson to show how to receive and send data to
a database using a revlet?

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro


Devin Asay wrote:
> 
> One more report: I couldn't get the revlet to work with the shell  
> call, even when I manually selected Shell calls under the Security  
> settings in the standalone builder. In fact, when the revlet launches  
> and asks for the needed permissions, Shell calls is not one of them.  
> Process permission is requested, however, even though I hadn't  
> selected that setting in the Security settings. I'm wondering if that  
> checkbox is wired correctly in the standalone builder.
> 
> Can anyone confirm? Have you been able to get shell access in revlets?  
> (I'm just going to leave out shell calls for now.)
> 
> Devin
> 

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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 21:32:29 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:32:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Porting Lingo scripts to Revtalk
Message-ID: <1263004349861-1010144.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Yesterday, i found this book:

http://garyrosenzweig.com/advancedlingoforgames/toc.html

Now, i am looking for guidelines to port code from
Macromedia Director's Lingo to RevMedia's Revtalk.
Every advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro
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From mark.laffoon at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 00:27:13 2010
From: mark.laffoon at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:27:13 -0900
Subject: New On-Rev Set-Up
Message-ID: <4B4813B1.1080706@gmail.com>

Hello list,

I was wondering if any of you knew what the turn around time was for new 
On-Rev accounts.  I purchased a month to month "subscription" through 
the runrev.com store a week ago (successfully billed to my cc) and have 
yet to receive any information in regards to the account.

I have also emailed support at runrev.com, with only an automated responder 
thanking me for my effort.  Is everyone still on holiday?

Thanks in advance....

Mark

P.S.  The mega-bundle has me drooling like a fat kid in a candy store!  
Thanks rev and rev-select partners, what a package!






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  9 01:41:14 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:41:14 -0600
Subject: New On-Rev Set-Up
In-Reply-To: <4B4813B1.1080706@gmail.com>
References: <4B4813B1.1080706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B48250A.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I was wondering if any of you knew what the turn around time was for new 
> On-Rev accounts.  I purchased a month to month "subscription" through 
> the runrev.com store a week ago (successfully billed to my cc) and have 
> yet to receive any information in regards to the account.
> 
> I have also emailed support at runrev.com, with only an automated responder 
> thanking me for my effort.  Is everyone still on holiday?

No, but very heavily backlogged after the holidays. I could be wrong, 
but I thought the setup was automatic and immediate. Anyone know? My own 
account was set up manually before the system was fully in place, so I 
don't know how it works now.

Did you search your spam folders for email?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mark.laffoon at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 02:03:05 2010
From: mark.laffoon at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:03:05 -0900
Subject: New On-Rev Set-Up
In-Reply-To: <4B48250A.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B4813B1.1080706@gmail.com> <4B48250A.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B482A29.9060508@gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion.  I thought it would be automatic too.  
Nothing in spam folders. Oddly enough, I see what should be my login 
name (a portion of my requested sub-domain) as the newest user at the 
on-rev forums. Though I can't login to the forums...  I tried to use the 
"forgot password" at the forums also, but to no avail.  I'm sure they 
will eventually get to me in the cue.  I'm just anxious to play with 
some "irev" code.

On 1/8/10 9:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I was wondering if any of you knew what the turn around time was for 
>> new On-Rev accounts.  I purchased a month to month "subscription" 
>> through the runrev.com store a week ago (successfully billed to my 
>> cc) and have yet to receive any information in regards to the account.
>>
>> I have also emailed support at runrev.com, with only an automated 
>> responder thanking me for my effort.  Is everyone still on holiday?
>
> No, but very heavily backlogged after the holidays. I could be wrong, 
> but I thought the setup was automatic and immediate. Anyone know? My 
> own account was set up manually before the system was fully in place, 
> so I don't know how it works now.
>
> Did you search your spam folders for email?
>



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Jan  9 02:03:37 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:03:37 +0100
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
Message-ID: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>

Hello list

on mac OS X(leopard)
I'd like do send an applescript from rev to mail.app
it should be something like this :
open mail.app
open a new message
fill the fields "To", "Object" and "Message" with variables

Can anyone help me in this task ?

thank you


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch  Sat Jan  9 02:14:50 2010
From: eric.sciolli at sunrise.ch (Eric Sciolli)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:14:50 +0100
Subject: can't open tRev anymore
Message-ID: <F9699C06-F6DC-47C8-8BAB-AD31540AFF5F@sunrise.ch>

Thank you Sarah; I've opened tRev with optionkey down and now it works perfectly... wow! very difficult to work without...
Probably a problem with download

best regards

Eric

From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 02:19:38 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:19:38 +1000
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
In-Reply-To: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>
References: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001082319lb396d16y4ca4792568f99ef2@mail.gmail.com>

> on mac OS X(leopard)
> I'd like do send an applescript from rev to mail.app
> it should be something like this :
> open mail.app
> open a new message
> fill the fields "To", "Object" and "Message" with variables


Here is the script I use:

Here is the Rev part, fill in the recipVar, subjectVar and bodyVar
variables as required:

    put the cMakeEmail of this stack into makeEmail
    replace "*addr*" with quote & recipVar & quote in makeEmail
    replace "*subj*" with quote & subjectVar & quote in makeEmail
    replace "*body*" with quote & bodyVar & quote in makeEmail
    do makeEmail as AppleScript

And here is the AppleScript that I store in a custom property of the
stack, called cMakeEmail:

tell application "Mail"
	activate
	copy *addr* to recipVar
	copy *subj* to subjVar
	copy *body* to bodyVar
	
	set newMessage to make new outgoing message with properties
{subject:subjVar, content:bodyVar & return & return}
	tell newMessage
		set visible to true
		make new to recipient at end of to recipients with properties
{address:recipVar}
	end tell
end tell

This is a very basic AppleScript that just assumes a single recipient
and no attachments, but it should be enough to get you started anyway.
If the body of the email contains any quotes, you need to escape them,
or replace them with single quotes first.

Regards,
Sarah


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan  9 02:21:23 2010
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:21:23 +0100
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
In-Reply-To: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>
References: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net>


Le 9 janv. 2010 ? 08:03, Yves COPPE a ?crit :

> 
> Hello list
> 
> on mac OS X(leopard)
> I'd like do send an applescript from rev to mail.app
> it should be something like this :
> open mail.app
> open a new message
> fill the fields "To", "Object" and "Message" with variables
> 
> Can anyone help me in this task ?
> 
> thank you
> 

Hello Yves

here a script found on the net :

tell application "Mail" 
	set newMessage to (make new outgoing message at end of outgoing messages with properties {subject:"@@", content:"##"}) 
	tell newMessage 
		make new recipient at end of to recipients with properties {address:"??"} 
		make new cc recipient at beginning of cc recipients with properties {address:"??"} 
		send newMessage 
		delay 45 
		quit 
	end tell 
end tell

Place it on a field

With Rev, change @@ with the subject, ## with the message, ?? with the email and ?? with an other email if you want.

From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Jan  9 02:40:59 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:40:59 +0100
Subject: [OT] Crappy website
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001081604u3076970ft7af63c3000f9d41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f551001080740m17dc76d9rd8b73b7e485b498e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001081604u3076970ft7af63c3000f9d41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3879B0A0-9F5B-4265-8ED8-EF4F8BF08A3B@numericable.com>

Thank you Sarah !
Ren?

Le 9 janv. 2010 ? 01:04, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson
> <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
>> a dog's dinner . . .
>> 
>> Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
>> 
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
>> 
>> with this:
>> 
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> 
> I guess my main problem with the original is that there is no overall
> theme. Links are images of very different sizes and transparencies, so
> it isn't obvious which are links.
> The new one looks more consistent, which will make it easier to navigate.
> 
> But for people like me who are not into design, it is often easier to
> start with a CSS template and adapt that to your needs.
> http://www.freecsstemplates.org/ is one good source of such things and
> it allows you to build a polished site with remarkably little effort.
> Using CSS also makes it much easier to make sure all the pages on the
> site have the same formatting, and changes are site-wide for even
> easier editing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  9 02:52:04 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 23:52:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B44AE01.90103@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B44AE01.90103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1263023524433-1010192.post@n4.nabble.com>


Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info on 
Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to 
work out the Linux side soon.

Richard, have you tried blkid?

http://linux.die.net/man/8/blkid

Peter

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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Jan  9 03:10:38 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:10:38 +0100
Subject: RunRev and music
Message-ID: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>

Hello everybody,
I have a project : make a bridge between RunRev and Macintosh Core Audio/Core Midi with AppleScript and if successful do benefit the community...
I am searching books, tutorials or ?something? (in english or in french [is it possible to dream ?]) witch talk about working Macintosh Core audio/Core Midi with AppleScript.
Somebody know that ?
Thank you
Ren?

From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 06:46:39 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:46:39 +0000
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <DF09B7F7-7204-47C0-9E04-4012031D7DFD@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF09B7F7-7204-47C0-9E04-4012031D7DFD@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001090346r6df49386y77374d47d5a2cc81@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Trevor.  I expect to be on my own with LibDatabase now.  I can
understand your focus is on Sql Yoga right now.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> 3rd party externals are traditionally added to the User Extensions folder.
> This folder is usually located in your documents folder. This lesson shows
> how to install an external and shows you how to find the User Extensions
> folder. I would check there for the Valentina files.
>
> <http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/6347-How-To-Install-3rd-Party-Externals-For-Use-in-the-IDE-and-Standalone-Builder>


> libDatabase relies on the Valentina external being loaded and that the
> handlers are available in the message path. When working in the IDE the
> Valentina external should be available in the message path assuming it was
> loaded at startup (see aforementioned lesson for ways to test).

I will have a look at the externals lesson.

> Now I have no idea if libDatabase will work with Valentina 4. I haven't
> looked at the libDatabase code in a looooooong time and Valentina 4 was not
> around when I did work on it. So you are kind of on your own when it comes
> to troubleshooting actual functionality...

FYI LibDatabase does kind of work with Valentina 4.  But when an array
is returned with a result set, there are no column names.

There is another weird problem with quotation marks.  I'm using Rev on
Vista at the moment.  I see from the zip file containing LibDatabase
that it was prepared on OS X.  LibDatabase relies on multi-item array
names, where some of the items are quoted.  That causes a problem
within LibDatabase when it looks for values by key within arrays.

The quotation marks do not register any problem in the Script Editor.
But they are not the same charToNum on windows i.e. on Windows quote
is something like 34, whereas the quotation marks in the arrray names
are something like char 143 (I don't have Rev installed on this
machine).  So, I think there is a macToISo issue in Rev itself.  I
understand it is supposed to be applied automatically to stacks when
Rev opens.  I seem to have come across an issue like this a couple of
years ago.

I may try to get round this quotation character issue and see if that
fixes the lack of column names (maybe there is some magic going on in
LibDatabase when it looks for Valentina column names).

Bernard


From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Sat Jan  9 06:51:00 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:51:00 +0200
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001090346r6df49386y77374d47d5a2cc81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C76E3A44.CF04B%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/9/10 1:46 PM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bernard,

> Thanks Trevor.  I expect to be on my own with LibDatabase now.  I can
> understand your focus is on Sql Yoga right now.

May be there is sense to use just Valentina API?


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Jan  9 06:55:52 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:55:52 +0100
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
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	<f99b52861001082319lb396d16y4ca4792568f99ef2@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 9 janv. 10 ? 08:19, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

>> on mac OS X(leopard)
>> I'd like do send an applescript from rev to mail.app
>> it should be something like this :
>> open mail.app
>> open a new message
>> fill the fields "To", "Object" and "Message" with variables
>
>
> Here is the script I use:
>
> Here is the Rev part, fill in the recipVar, subjectVar and bodyVar
> variables as required:
>
>    put the cMakeEmail of this stack into makeEmail
>    replace "*addr*" with quote & recipVar & quote in makeEmail
>    replace "*subj*" with quote & subjectVar & quote in makeEmail
>    replace "*body*" with quote & bodyVar & quote in makeEmail
>    do makeEmail as AppleScript
>
> And here is the AppleScript that I store in a custom property of the
> stack, called cMakeEmail:
>
> tell application "Mail"
> 	activate
> 	copy *addr* to recipVar
> 	copy *subj* to subjVar
> 	copy *body* to bodyVar
> 	
> 	set newMessage to make new outgoing message with properties
> {subject:subjVar, content:bodyVar & return & return}
> 	tell newMessage
> 		set visible to true
> 		make new to recipient at end of to recipients with properties
> {address:recipVar}
> 	end tell
> end tell
>
> This is a very basic AppleScript that just assumes a single recipient
> and no attachments, but it should be enough to get you started anyway.
> If the body of the email contains any quotes, you need to escape them,
> or replace them with single quotes first.
>
> Regards,
> Sarah


Hi Sarah

Works fine
Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Jan  9 06:58:13 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:13 +0100
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
In-Reply-To: <774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net>
References: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>
	<774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net>
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Le 9 janv. 10 ? 08:21, Ludovic Th?bault a ?crit :

>
> Hello Yves
>
> here a script found on the net :
>
> tell application "Mail"
> 	set newMessage to (make new outgoing message at end of outgoing  
> messages with properties {subject:"@@", content:"##"})
> 	tell newMessage
> 		make new recipient at end of to recipients with properties  
> {address:"??"}
> 		make new cc recipient at beginning of cc recipients with  
> properties {address:"??"}
> 		send newMessage
> 		delay 45
> 		quit
> 	end tell
> end tell
>
> Place it on a field
>
> With Rev, change @@ with the subject, ## with the message, ?? with  
> the email and ?? with an other email if you  
> want._______________________________________________



Hello Ludovic

Works also fine as the script I've received from Sarah

Thanks for you two ... I have now the choice between 2 scripts



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Jan  9 07:16:10 2010
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:16:10 +0100
Subject: Crappy Website
Message-ID: <EDD80E17-A037-4513-AACA-C4E4C5C03057@wanadoo.fr>

Richmond,

I have a liitle test for you !

Take a look at your desktop. If it is full of little alias
icons, and you spend a few seconds trying to find the right
one when you want to launch an application, then you can stop
reading now. I now know why your sister finds that your site
is like a dogs dinner.

Now - a second test. Get yourself a pack of different coloured
Post-Its, from your local store. You also need a wall ...... !

Build yourself a heirarchy of your site on the wall. Each Site
Level is a Post-It MENU, and all the items under each menu
represent either another level of menu, or a HTML page. If you
appear to have too many items in your menu, open another
menu level, but try not to have too many. Always ask the questions :
Is this the right place for this item, or more correctly, all all
the items in this menu siblings ?

I agree with Sarah that you should take a look at those CSS
templates, but I think it unfortunate that we can't see any
drop-down menus there. Using drop-down menus gives you more scope.
And all the menus I see, imply a two level heirarchy only. In
fact, all the templates are the same design, only the colours change.
They all look very nice, but in fact they are forcing you into a
strait-jacket.

Play with your diagram on your wall for a few days.  Sit down
in front of it and contemplate it (use the colours for different
types of function). Think carefully before you assign a Menu
Title, or a Menu Item (Short and Sweet names do the trick).
Extension of your site at a later date should be a piece of cake.

Finally, spend some time on designing a nice background for your
site pages, and use it on every page. It will save you much time.

Your site users should be able to intuitively wander your site...... !
(Oh !! - Don't forget a "Back to Main Menu" menu   : >)

-Francis




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 08:40:12 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:40:12 +0100
Subject: Creating data grids by script
In-Reply-To: <A5584C8E-AEB3-4BF7-AFD1-C947AF5C60F7@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
	<A5584C8E-AEB3-4BF7-AFD1-C947AF5C60F7@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001090540n6dda2a41hc92635f27c08d740@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/9 James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>:
>     Creating A Data Grid By Hand
> But then the lesson begins:
>
>     This lesson will show you how to create a data grid through script.
>
> Perhaps change the "By Hand" to "By Script" ?

It is an expression used by developpers.

If a feature is not automatic or is not provided by the developpment
tool, thus developpers have to develop it manually or by hand.
But don't worry, developpers also use their hands when they script;)

Although if they're bad developers we can say they have developed with
their feet.
An expression of mine to qualify a very bad code: "This is developed
with feet. Unfortunately, they forgot to remove their shoes"...

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  9 08:53:36 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:53:36 +0100
Subject: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
In-Reply-To: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <849418031001041459jdd0253cl75ceec204d85dee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <554DE7F1-B024-48B6-9061-BC0C6DB8409A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I tried to download IMHM and noticed that the DropBox links are  
broken, but the other links still work.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 4 jan 2010, om 23:59 heeft Brian Thomas het volgende geschreven:

> Hello,
>
>
> To Download for FREE the classic, Revolution-built Monks CD-ROM visit:
>
> http://rivertext.com/
>
>
> Please let me know, if you have any issues with the download or
> installation, as I plan on sending Press Releases out early tomorrow
> morning,

<snip>



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Jan  9 09:28:45 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:28:45 +0100
Subject: (Data Grid) How to get the setting of the
	dgHeaderAlignment["column"] saved 
In-Reply-To: <7CAEBC7D-E4DA-4F0E-9497-1F3F850615C6@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <02D2F3E4-A2F8-4287-844B-FAEF07A30A98@inria.fr>
	<7CAEBC7D-E4DA-4F0E-9497-1F3F850615C6@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <721DA8C8-3301-4408-A6F0-B8BC5EC2A94E@inria.fr>


Le 8 janv. 10 ? 22:17, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>
>> I have a data grid "DataGrid" defined with the Inspector. The  
>> columns' headers are aligned to left.
>>
>> In order to get the columns headers centered I do the following :
>> ------
>> put the dgProp["columns"] of group "DataGrid" into theColumns
>> repeat for each line enil in theColumns
>>    set the dgHeaderAlignment[enil] of grp "DataGrid" of this cd to  
>> center
>> end repeat
>> -------
>> Ok, that works well.
>>
>> I save the stack
>> If I close the stack and reopen it, the headers are still centered.
>>
>> But if I quit Rev, when I reopen the stack, the headers are aligned  
>> to left again.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>
> It's a bug. The Data Grid isn't setting alignment when creating the  
> headers from scratch.
>
> You can either set the alignment each time your program opens or add  
> a 1 line fix to the Data Grid behavior script. Instructions follow.

Thanks Trevor for your answer and the precisely explained procedure to  
add the line to the _tableCreateHeaders command.

But, when I do so, I get a new issue : after quitting Rev, when I  
launch my stack again, the headers of the columns, not only are not  
centered anymore but also some of them are even so shifted to the  
left, that  one can't see the first characters of them; bizarre ;-)

More precisely : could be useful to say that the data grid is on a  
substack;
Even without quitting Rev :
- if I close the substack and re-open it the headers keeps centered
- If I close the substack AND its main stack, then, when I re-open  
them, I get the headers shifted to the left.

Not a big problem anyway (I can set the alignment each time a card  
opens as you suggest); but I am curious about what is happening ;-))

It was the first time I had a look at your scripts in the  
revdatagridlibrary; very impressive; "chapeau bas" ;-))

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

>
> ======
> 1) Open Script
> ======
>
> edit script of btn "Data Grid" of stack "revdatagridlibrary"
>
> ======
> 2) Locate _table.CreateHeaders command
> ======
>
>
> ======
> 3) Add line to _table.CreateHeaders command
> ======
>
>
>            set the dgTooltip of theGroup to theColsA[theColumn] 
> ["tooltip"]
>            set the dgHilite of theGroup to theColumn is  
> sortByThisColumn
>            #####
>            ## ADD FOLLOWING LINE
>           #####
>            set the dgAlignment of theGroup to theColsA[theColumn] 
> ["header"]["alignment"]
>            lock messages
>        end if
>    end repeat
> end _table.CreateHeaders
>
> ======
> 4) save revDataGridLibrary stack
> ======
>
> In message box execute:
>
> save stack "revDataGridLibrary"
>
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 10:48:55 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:48:55 +0000
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <C76E3A44.CF04B%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001090346r6df49386y77374d47d5a2cc81@mail.gmail.com>
	<C76E3A44.CF04B%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001090748m628904edj1024401c9363a6bf@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin
<ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com> wrote:
> On 1/9/10 1:46 PM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernard,
>
>> Thanks Trevor. ?I expect to be on my own with LibDatabase now. ?I can
>> understand your focus is on Sql Yoga right now.
>
> May be there is sense to use just Valentina API?

Hi Ruslan,

I am indeed considering just using the Valentina API.  I started using
LibDatabase as I'd remembered it was fairly straightforward in the
past - it makes clever use of Rev arrays, getting out of one's way as
an abstraction layer.  I saw from looking through the Rev list in the
past that people had been using it, and that using the SQL with
Valentina had often been recommended as the way to get started with
Valentina.

I'm thinking about the best way to use the Valentina API that would be
smoothest whilst working with Rev.

Bernard


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  9 11:02:15 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:02:15 -0400
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001090748m628904edj1024401c9363a6bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001090346r6df49386y77374d47d5a2cc81@mail.gmail.com>
	<C76E3A44.CF04B%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001090748m628904edj1024401c9363a6bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a91001090802m30cf08f7ha0ba5c3a95ae9029@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use Trevor's libdatabase with SQLite but now I use valentina with
the Valentina API. It really makes sense and is not that difficult to put in
place.


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  9 12:12:06 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:12:06 -0800
Subject: Accessing the inaccessible
In-Reply-To: <20100109014357.DDCDE2882D7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100109014357.DDCDE2882D7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0FAB1A22-C747-4893-AAF2-AEC5ABDF688F@sbcglobal.net>

>
> James Hurley wrote:
>> RIght now I have a collection of fields arranged in a grid--5 across
>> and 31 down. They were created by script and run off the bottom of  
>> the
>> screen. I would like to group them and put in a vertical scrollbar,
>> but I can't get at them to select those off the bottom of the screen.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Is it possible to select a collection of controls by
>> script and then group them?
>
> One of the great things about Rev is that if the IDE can do it you can
> do it too. :)
>
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields
>   set the selected of fld i to true
> end repeat
> group
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv

Well, that was easy. Thanks Richard

Jim



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  9 12:21:59 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:21:59 -0600
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
In-Reply-To: <7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be>
References: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>	<774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net>
	<7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com>

Yves COPPE wrote:

> 
> Thanks for you two ... I have now the choice between 2 scripts

There is also the IDE command "revMail" which does it all for you. It's 
in the dictionary.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Jan  9 12:42:56 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:42:56 +0100
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
In-Reply-To: <4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>	<774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net>
	<7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be>
	<4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B2F18131-D6FE-4F29-8EE0-94457D09B5F9@skynet.be>


Le 09-janv.-10 ? 18:21, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> Thanks for you two ... I have now the choice between 2 scripts
>
> There is also the IDE command "revMail" which does it all for you.  
> It's in the dictionary.
>



Re,

I didn't see it; Thanks !

Now, I have 3 scripts for answering my question !




Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  9 13:05:20 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:05:20 -0600
Subject: Porting Lingo scripts to Revtalk
In-Reply-To: <1263004349861-1010144.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1263004349861-1010144.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4B48C560.4090106@hyperactivesw.com>

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Now, i am looking for guidelines to port code from
> Macromedia Director's Lingo to RevMedia's Revtalk.
> Every advice is welcome.

The person you need is Colin -- the most incredible Lingo guru I ever 
met, an accomplished x-talker, and a participant on this list. Maybe 
he'll see this. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Sat Jan  9 13:18:41 2010
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:18:41 -0500
Subject: Porting Lingo scripts to Revtalk
In-Reply-To: <4B48C560.4090106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1263004349861-1010144.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B48C560.4090106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <35BF42AE-43E4-43A5-B6D2-2D97EF59CB08@rpsystems.net>


On Jan 9, 2010, at 1:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> The person you need is Colin -- the most incredible Lingo guru I  
> ever met, an accomplished x-talker, and a participant on this list.  
> Maybe he'll see this. :)

You didn't mention that he also knows the author of the book pretty  
well.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Jan  9 13:28:45 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:28:45 -0800
Subject: Applescrript from Rev
In-Reply-To: <B2F18131-D6FE-4F29-8EE0-94457D09B5F9@skynet.be>
References: <E58A0CB5-0561-4C22-B65A-7B952C20E13B@skynet.be>
	<774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net>
	<7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be>
	<4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B2F18131-D6FE-4F29-8EE0-94457D09B5F9@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001091028j5c2221ffs83d9b7ba854a5a5d@mail.gmail.com>

revMail will even open up a new mail document for google mail if one has
that extra 'thing' from google to work with "mailto:"s in browsers. It will
take multiple addresses in the to and cc: fields and subject and body but no
bcc: (probably a spammy reason for that)
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/9 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>

>
> Le 09-janv.-10 ? 18:21, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :
>
>
>  Yves COPPE wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks for you two ... I have now the choice between 2 scripts
>>>
>>
>> There is also the IDE command "revMail" which does it all for you. It's in
>> the dictionary.
>>
>>
>
>
> Re,
>
> I didn't see it; Thanks !
>
> Now, I have 3 scripts for answering my question !
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 15:53:55 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:53:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRev and music
In-Reply-To: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>
References: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <1263070435806-1010436.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Ren?

Are you aware of UDI's work in Runrev
with Midi?

Visit his page:
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html

and download his stacks:
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/makeSMF133.hqx
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/pmdPlayerRR12.hqx
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/pmdKB11.hqx
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/rMusic11.hqx
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/smf2Pmd.hqx

By the way, Does your work allows automatic creation of
music in different styles like the software "Band in a Box"
or just in one style like "Mozart's Musical Dice Game for
Composing a Minuet"?

http://sunsite.univie.ac.at/Mozart/dice/

Automatic music generator are really useful to add
infinite variety to stacks that require constant use.
Ren?, Have you created similar automatic music generator
with Runrev?

Have a nice weekend!

Alejandro

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From bobs at twft.com  Sat Jan  9 16:41:11 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:41:11 -0800
Subject: Creating data grids by script
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001090540n6dda2a41hc92635f27c08d740@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100108180004.F046628827E@mail.runrev.com>
	<A5584C8E-AEB3-4BF7-AFD1-C947AF5C60F7@sbcglobal.net>
	<64bda6471001090540n6dda2a41hc92635f27c08d740@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C7E2A52-3A4F-4256-B6DB-557D85E4D620@twft.com>

You guys have hands??? ;-)

Bob


On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:40 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> It is an expression used by developpers.
> 
> If a feature is not automatic or is not provided by the developpment
> tool, thus developpers have to develop it manually or by hand.
> But don't worry, developpers also use their hands when they script;)



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Jan  9 16:46:54 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:46:54 +0100
Subject: RunRev and music
In-Reply-To: <1263070435806-1010436.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>
	<1263070435806-1010436.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <98A6A51C-8EE2-4EFB-BEAB-9DEB80CBF9D1@numericable.com>

Alejandro,
Thank you for answer.
Yes I know UDI's work. It is about Midi File Format (that is a part of my work)...
But my new research is about direct access to Core Audio / Core Midi (in real time...)
Exagofon my application is not a sequencer like Logic or ProTools, it is very much easy to play with, it is like a game for a child (my small-son ? yes I am a grand-father ! ? play with it and he is 4) but it is powerful and old many possibilities.
For my own (pour ma part) my musical projects turn around contemporary music like american minimalists (John Cage, Morton Felman, Terry Riley, la Monte Young, Steve Reich, Philip Glass, etc...) and rock few special like Soft Machine, Fripp & Eno, Robert Wyatt. But there is no exclusive, all is open...
If you have not already, watch part 6 of the presentation of Exagofon towards the end, there are some more interesting musical examples than the beginning (witch is more didactic) ; it is not really "compositions", but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgdRplS1wZE

I wish you also a good (half) week-end.
Bon souvenir de Paris
Ren?

Le 9 janv. 2010 ? 21:53, Alejandro Tejada a ?crit :

> 
> Hi Ren?
> 
> Are you aware of UDI's work in Runrev
> with Midi?
> 
> Visit his page:
> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html
> 
> and download his stacks:
> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/makeSMF133.hqx
> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/pmdPlayerRR12.hqx
> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/pmdKB11.hqx
> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/rMusic11.hqx
> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/smf2Pmd.hqx
> 
> By the way, Does your work allows automatic creation of
> music in different styles like the software "Band in a Box"
> or just in one style like "Mozart's Musical Dice Game for
> Composing a Minuet"?
> 
> http://sunsite.univie.ac.at/Mozart/dice/
> 
> Automatic music generator are really useful to add
> infinite variety to stacks that require constant use.
> Ren?, Have you created similar automatic music generator
> with Runrev?
> 
> Have a nice weekend!
> 
> Alejandro
> 
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/RunRev-and-music-tp1010194p1010436.html
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Jan  9 17:18:59 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:18:59 -0500
Subject: PostgreSQL/On-Rev Database Tables
In-Reply-To: <98A6A51C-8EE2-4EFB-BEAB-9DEB80CBF9D1@numericable.com>
References: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>
	<1263070435806-1010436.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<98A6A51C-8EE2-4EFB-BEAB-9DEB80CBF9D1@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <AC83A392-DDD0-4226-B9C4-D5438251AAE4@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I created PostgreSQL database on On-Rev
using the PostgreSQL Database Wizard which seemed
to work fine. 

Then I was trying to use phpPgAdmin to create tables
for the database. It told me that I couldn't do it because 
I wasn't a "SuperUser" which to me seemed crazy because 
I was logged in as the user who created the database in the first place.

Does anyone have any ideas or has anyone ever done this
successfully on On-Rev?

I've also noticed that documentation on how to do these
things is lacking. Suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Rick


From psahores at free.fr  Sat Jan  9 18:06:41 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:06:41 +0100
Subject: PostgreSQL/On-Rev Database Tables
In-Reply-To: <AC83A392-DDD0-4226-B9C4-D5438251AAE4@all-auctions.com>
References: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>
	<1263070435806-1010436.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<98A6A51C-8EE2-4EFB-BEAB-9DEB80CBF9D1@numericable.com>
	<AC83A392-DDD0-4226-B9C4-D5438251AAE4@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <46B400CF-EB0E-4EA5-BC3C-B17D70A873D6@free.fr>

Hi Rick,

I got exactly the same problems when i tried to setup my on-rev  
postgresql db (loki.on-rev.com) :

OK to create the db in using the PostgreSQL Database Wizard

No luck in trying to setup its contents in using the phpPgAdmin lib.

To avoid to have to setup the table in using the shell under SSH  
(because my standard DSL web acces use dynamic IPs), i switched to  
MySQL instead. It must not be so difficult (some files rights and  
users access to correct or so)

It would be great to have some one at Edimburg to reconfigure the  
phpPgAdmin config to let us use it as we can use the phpMyAdmin one.

Best Regards,

Pierre


Le 9 janv. 10 ? 23:18, Rick Harrison a ?crit :

> Hi there,
>
> I created PostgreSQL database on On-Rev
> using the PostgreSQL Database Wizard which seemed
> to work fine.
>
> Then I was trying to use phpPgAdmin to create tables
> for the database. It told me that I couldn't do it because
> I wasn't a "SuperUser" which to me seemed crazy because
> I was logged in as the user who created the database in the first  
> place.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas or has anyone ever done this
> successfully on On-Rev?
>
> I've also noticed that documentation on how to do these
> things is lacking. Suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rick
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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www.sahores-conseil.com








From bobs at twft.com  Sat Jan  9 20:12:42 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:12:42 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
Message-ID: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>

Hi all. 

Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would think that given:

put "1" & comma & "A" & comma & "Green" & return into theData
put "2" & comma & "B" & comma & "Blue" & return after theData
put "3" & comma & "C" & comma & "Orange" & return after theData
put "4" & comma & "D" & comma & "White" & return after theData

which would get me:
1,A,Green
2,B,Blue
3,C,Orange
4,D,White

I could then split by column (or by row I get confused) and get a simple array where:
theData[1,1] = "1"
theData[1,2] = "A"
theData[2,1] = "2"
theData[4,3] = "White" 

And so forth. However, this is NOT the case! If it were, I could issue a command:

put transpose(theData) into myArray

and:
myArray[1,2] = 2
myArray[1,3] = 3

and so on. If I got the entire row (I think there's a function for that) then I would have effectively gotten the column of the original data. Seems reasonable eh?

So can someone please explain to me why I cannot get a simple x,y row,column grid-like array using these simple commands? Revolution seems to think that the first column MUST be the key! I would LIKE for revolution to simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my data be my data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split and combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution to treat my first column as the key?

If arrays worked like I described above, it would be a simple matter to get a single column of an array, just by transposing it and getting an entire row, instead of writing complex repeat loops to get a column of data. Am I missing something here? 

Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save some helpful souls the trouble of responding by saying I am capable of making repeat loops to accomplish this. I was just hoping that maybe I was missing something and I can in fact do what I thought I could. 

Bob

From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 21:35:24 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:35:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <93861.35700.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Bob, Maybe we can learn something about arrays together.

First, the format for a multi-dimensional array is

theData[1][1] = "1"   NOT  theData[1,1] = "1"

-----------------------
-- as an example, put your 4 lines into fld 1
-----------------------
1,A,Green
2,B,Blue
3,C,Orange
4,D,White
-----------------------
-- to get those 4 lines into a multi-dimensional
-- array called myArray I think you need code
-- like below (which you already know)
-- There might be an easier way.
-----------------------
on mouseUp
put fld 1 into v
set itemDelimiter to comma
put zero into countLine
repeat for each line curLine in v
    add 1 to countLine
    put zero into countItem
        repeat for each item curItem in curLine
            add 1 to countItem
            put curItem into myArray[countLine][countItem]
      end repeat
end repeat
put myArray[1][2] into fld 2
end mouseUp
-----------------------
-- will end up with "A" in fld 2
------------------------
Now for the transpose function.

>From the dictionary:

-- The array is a two-dimensional array variable whose elements are numbers, and whose keys are sequential numbers. --

So it looks like transpose will only work for two-dimensional arrays. It won't work for your example. 








--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> Subject: Simple Arrays
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:12 PM
> Hi all. 
> 
> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would think
> that given:
> 
> put "1" & comma & "A" & comma & "Green"
> & return into theData
> put "2" & comma & "B" & comma & "Blue"
> & return after theData
> put "3" & comma & "C" & comma & "Orange"
> & return after theData
> put "4" & comma & "D" & comma & "White"
> & return after theData
> 
> which would get me:
> 1,A,Green
> 2,B,Blue
> 3,C,Orange
> 4,D,White

 
> I could then split by column (or by row I get confused) and
> get a simple array where:
> theData[1,1] = "1"
> theData[1,2] = "A"
> theData[2,1] = "2"
> theData[4,3] = "White" 
> 
> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case! If it were, I
> could issue a command:
> 
> put transpose(theData) into myArray
> 
> and:
> myArray[1,2] = 2
> myArray[1,3] = 3
> 
> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think there's a
> function for that) then I would have effectively gotten the
> column of the original data. Seems reasonable eh?
> 
> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot get a
> simple x,y row,column grid-like array using these simple
> commands? Revolution seems to think that the first column
> MUST be the key! I would LIKE for revolution to simply
> create it's OWN numerical keys and let my data be my data.
> Maybe in the future add an argument to the split and combine
> commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution to
> treat my first column as the key?
> 
> If arrays worked like I described above, it would be a
> simple matter to get a single column of an array, just by
> transposing it and getting an entire row, instead of writing
> complex repeat loops to get a column of data. Am I missing
> something here? 
> 
> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save some helpful
> souls the trouble of responding by saying I am capable of
> making repeat loops to accomplish this. I was just hoping
> that maybe I was missing something and I can in fact do what
> I thought I could. 
> 
> Bob_______________________________________________
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan  9 21:37:46 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:37:46 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>
References: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4B493D7A.4080004@pdslabs.net>

Hi Bob,

On 1/9/10 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would think that given:
>
> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&  comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&  comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&  comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&  comma&  "White"&  return after theData
>
> which would get me:
> 1,A,Green
> 2,B,Blue
> 3,C,Orange
> 4,D,White
>    

Actually either of these:

     split theData with cr
     split theData by row -- where the rowDelimiter is CR

would get you this:

     theData[1] = "1,A,Green"
     theData[2] = "2,B,Blue"
     theData[3] = "3,C,Orange"
     theData[4] = "4,D,White"

> I could then split by column (or by row I get confused) and get a simple array where:
> theData[1,1] = "1"
> theData[1,2] = "A"
> theData[2,1] = "2"
> theData[4,3] = "White"
>
> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case!

Right. Technically speaking, comma is not an array index separator. 
Commas in our array keys help us conceptually represent multiple array 
dimensions in our own minds, but Rev sees an array with such keys as a 
simple one-dimensional array with alphabetic keys (since commas are not 
numerals).

Until version 3.0, Rev couldn't handle true multi-dimensional arrays. 
Since then, the thing that tells Rev "this is a multi-dimensional array" 
is multiple keys per element, with each key in its own bracket. Like this:

     theData[1][1] = "1"
     theData[1][2] = "A"
     theData[1][3] = "Green"


Now do you see why 'transpose()' wouldn't work with your array? In part 
it's because your keys aren't numeric - they contain commas. (Also they 
have to be sequential numbers.)

Welcome to array re-education camp!  ;-)

Phil Davis


>   If it were, I could issue a command:
>
> put transpose(theData) into myArray
>
> and:
> myArray[1,2] = 2
> myArray[1,3] = 3
>
> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think there's a function for that) then I would have effectively gotten the column of the original data. Seems reasonable eh?
>
> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot get a simple x,y row,column grid-like array using these simple commands? Revolution seems to think that the first column MUST be the key! I would LIKE for revolution to simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my data be my data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split and combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution to treat my first column as the key?
>
> If arrays worked like I described above, it would be a simple matter to get a single column of an array, just by transposing it and getting an entire row, instead of writing complex repeat loops to get a column of data. Am I missing something here?
>
> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save some helpful souls the trouble of responding by saying I am capable of making repeat loops to accomplish this. I was just hoping that maybe I was missing something and I can in fact do what I thought I could.
>
> Bob_______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>
>    

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk  Sun Jan 10 05:05:26 2010
From: R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk (Beynon, Rob)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:05:26 +0000
Subject: Simplistic use of data grids
Message-ID: <C76F56E6.DD8C%rbeynon@liverpool.ac.uk>

I think I understand a bit about datagrids, but what I'd really like is the ability to use it as a device to allow entry of data in column,row format, for further processing, purely during that instance of the data.

1. User enters data, completing all cells in each row - this will be checked for in program
2. User processes data via a simple button, such that...
3. Program performs analysis of tabulated data in datagrid
4. Data is volatile, and is lost when program quits

The reason why I like the datagrid is because it does things like headers and automatic sorts very easily.

However, if I create an empty datagrid, it seems as though it is not possible to manually enter data. I suspect I am doing something wrong with the properties (I select editable though).

All help appreciated.

Rob
________________________________
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Proteomics and Functional Genomics Group
Faculty of Veterinary Science
University of Liverpool
Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ
________________________________
Phone: +44 151 794 4312                Fax: +44 151 794 4243
Email: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk               http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jan 10 05:22:02 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:22:02 +0100
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <20091230180006.CBB7C48BBA9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20091230180006.CBB7C48BBA9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <39BE46C2-5B50-4AC4-A716-8DF57670C11B@derbrill.de>

In addition to what has been said previously, the default columnDelimiter is TAB, so in your script there would be no columns to split by, unless you set the columnDelimiter to Comma before the split. (Given that split by column is what you wanted. I  do mix up rows and cols all the time though. :-) )

All the best,

Malte

From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 05:47:18 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:47:18 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>
References: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <BD038617-6FDC-4566-8863-56822657FCF9@yahoo.com>

In addition to the good answers above:

In Rev, the arrays are 'associative arrays'
This means the keys are strings, not integers.
Also, there is no particular order to the keys, such as last-in

There is no auto-increment by specifying a blank key
     such as      put 12.35 into arrayVar[]

The character limit for a key is 255 chars.
To store arrays on disk use
     arrayEncode() to convert to a string

Custom properties are the same thing as arrays.
Their namespace (parent) can be any object in Rev.
The keys are the custom property names.
Each Rev object can have unlimited sets of keys.

Thus
set the custompropertyset of this card to "yr2009"
set the Jan[21] of this card to "payday"
set the Jan[22] of this card to "lunch meeting"

-- define arrays equal to the properties
put the Jan of this card into yr2009Jan
put the Feb of this card into yr2009Feb

set the custompropertyset of this card to "yr1999"
set the May of this card to yr1999May

Caution when accidentally using a reserved word as a custom property
Caution: failure of assigning or storing or getting array values does  
not produce an error.
There is no error if you try to use an element of an array that does  
not exist.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would think that given:
>
> put "1" & comma & "A" & comma & "Green" & return into theData
> put "2" & comma & "B" & comma & "Blue" & return after theData
> put "3" & comma & "C" & comma & "Orange" & return after theData
> put "4" & comma & "D" & comma & "White" & return after theData
>
> which would get me:
> 1,A,Green
> 2,B,Blue
> 3,C,Orange
> 4,D,White
>
> I could then split by column (or by row I get confused) and get a  
> simple array where:
> theData[1,1] = "1"
> theData[1,2] = "A"
> theData[2,1] = "2"
> theData[4,3] = "White"
>
> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case! If it were, I could  
> issue a command:
>
> put transpose(theData) into myArray
>
> and:
> myArray[1,2] = 2
> myArray[1,3] = 3
>
> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think there's a function for  
> that) then I would have effectively gotten the column of the  
> original data. Seems reasonable eh?
>
> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot get a simple x,y  
> row,column grid-like array using these simple commands? Revolution  
> seems to think that the first column MUST be the key! I would LIKE  
> for revolution to simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my  
> data be my data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split  
> and combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution to  
> treat my first column as the key?
>
> If arrays worked like I described above, it would be a simple matter  
> to get a single column of an array, just by transposing it and  
> getting an entire row, instead of writing complex repeat loops to  
> get a column of data. Am I missing something here?
>
> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save some helpful souls  
> the trouble of responding by saying I am capable of making repeat  
> loops to accomplish this. I was just hoping that maybe I was missing  
> something and I can in fact do what I thought I could.
>
> Bob_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 06:21:22 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:21:22 +0000
Subject: PostgreSQL/On-Rev Database Tables
In-Reply-To: <46B400CF-EB0E-4EA5-BC3C-B17D70A873D6@free.fr>
References: <4F6B9064-967D-492A-A26C-81B54F50E8AF@numericable.com>
	<1263070435806-1010436.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<98A6A51C-8EE2-4EFB-BEAB-9DEB80CBF9D1@numericable.com>
	<AC83A392-DDD0-4226-B9C4-D5438251AAE4@all-auctions.com>
	<46B400CF-EB0E-4EA5-BC3C-B17D70A873D6@free.fr>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001100321n7ea84dcj4f8b4b312df08b01@mail.gmail.com>

I think it would be quite a good idea to contact help -
on-rev at runrev.comand see what the issue is here?

2010/1/9 Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>

> Hi Rick,
>
> I got exactly the same problems when i tried to setup my on-rev postgresql
> db (loki.on-rev.com) :
>
> OK to create the db in using the PostgreSQL Database Wizard
>
> No luck in trying to setup its contents in using the phpPgAdmin lib.
>
> To avoid to have to setup the table in using the shell under SSH (because
> my standard DSL web acces use dynamic IPs), i switched to MySQL instead. It
> must not be so difficult (some files rights and users access to correct or
> so)
>
> It would be great to have some one at Edimburg to reconfigure the
> phpPgAdmin config to let us use it as we can use the phpMyAdmin one.
>


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 10 08:52:19 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:52:19 -0500
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <4B493D7A.4080004@pdslabs.net>
References: <D201DACF-A75F-4FF1-BC81-7E55B85245DA@twft.com>
	<4B493D7A.4080004@pdslabs.net>
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Pardon my question, but I have learned more about arrays in these four  
posts than I ever thought about before:

So given that I would want a multi-dimensional array where theData[2] 
[3] = "Blue" as in the examples provided, what is the 'best' way to  
enter data into this array, or is the way Bob did it the best way?

Workflow:
First;
>> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&  comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
>> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&  comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
>> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&  comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
>> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&  comma&  "White"&  return after theData
Then ;
split theData with cr

Would this get me theData[2][3] = "Blue" ??? I thought the delimiter  
was TAB?

Would this be better:
put "1"& tab& "A"& tab& "Green"& return into theData

OR is this all wrong and if so what is the 'best' way to enter a lot  
data into a mutli-dimensional array to get these results??
Thank you for this.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html

On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> On 1/9/10 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would think that given:
>>
>> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&  comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
>> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&  comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
>> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&  comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
>> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&  comma&  "White"&  return after theData
>>
>> which would get me:
>> 1,A,Green
>> 2,B,Blue
>> 3,C,Orange
>> 4,D,White
>>
>
> Actually either of these:
>
>    split theData with cr
>    split theData by row -- where the rowDelimiter is CR
>
> would get you this:
>
>    theData[1] = "1,A,Green"
>    theData[2] = "2,B,Blue"
>    theData[3] = "3,C,Orange"
>    theData[4] = "4,D,White"
>
>> I could then split by column (or by row I get confused) and get a  
>> simple array where:
>> theData[1,1] = "1"
>> theData[1,2] = "A"
>> theData[2,1] = "2"
>> theData[4,3] = "White"
>>
>> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case!
>
> Right. Technically speaking, comma is not an array index separator.  
> Commas in our array keys help us conceptually represent multiple  
> array dimensions in our own minds, but Rev sees an array with such  
> keys as a simple one-dimensional array with alphabetic keys (since  
> commas are not numerals).
>
> Until version 3.0, Rev couldn't handle true multi-dimensional  
> arrays. Since then, the thing that tells Rev "this is a multi- 
> dimensional array" is multiple keys per element, with each key in  
> its own bracket. Like this:
>
>    theData[1][1] = "1"
>    theData[1][2] = "A"
>    theData[1][3] = "Green"
>
>
> Now do you see why 'transpose()' wouldn't work with your array? In  
> part it's because your keys aren't numeric - they contain commas.  
> (Also they have to be sequential numbers.)
>
> Welcome to array re-education camp!  ;-)
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
>>  If it were, I could issue a command:
>>
>> put transpose(theData) into myArray
>>
>> and:
>> myArray[1,2] = 2
>> myArray[1,3] = 3
>>
>> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think there's a function for  
>> that) then I would have effectively gotten the column of the  
>> original data. Seems reasonable eh?
>>
>> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot get a simple x,y  
>> row,column grid-like array using these simple commands? Revolution  
>> seems to think that the first column MUST be the key! I would LIKE  
>> for revolution to simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my  
>> data be my data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split  
>> and combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution to  
>> treat my first column as the key?
>>
>> If arrays worked like I described above, it would be a simple  
>> matter to get a single column of an array, just by transposing it  
>> and getting an entire row, instead of writing complex repeat loops  
>> to get a column of data. Am I missing something here?
>>
>> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save some helpful souls  
>> the trouble of responding by saying I am capable of making repeat  
>> loops to accomplish this. I was just hoping that maybe I was  
>> missing something and I can in fact do what I thought I could.
>>
>> Bob_______________________________________________
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>>
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 09:43:43 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:43:43 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
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Split and combine only work on the last level of keys in an array, and  
they are a little too unwieldy for me, although I use them frequently  
for two-dimensional arrays and custom properties.
I prefer the following:

--there is no array named kitchen yet
put "bacon" into kitchen[refrigerator][drawer][top]
--  now there is an array with one value and 3 keys

put "cheese" into kitchen[refrigerator][drawer][top]
  --replaces bacon

--assuming 3 trays in the door
put "eggs" into kitchen[refrigerator][door][shelf][top][tray][1]
put "garlic" into kitchen[refrigerator][door][shelf][top][tray][2]
put "coffee" into kitchen[refrigerator][door][shelf][top][tray][3]

-- let's put part of the data into another array temporarily
put kitchen[refrigerator][door][shelf][top][tray] into foodArr

foodArr is two-dimensional and has 3 keys
[1] eggs
[2] garlic
[3] coffee

put "butter" into foodArr[2]
put "horseradish" into foodArr[3]

foodArr is two-dimensional and has 3 keys
[1] eggs
[2] butter
[3] horseradish

--now let's define a new array and put it into the big one
    put empty into foodArr
    put "meat" into foodArr[1]
    put "lettuce" into foodArr[2]
    put "milk" into foodArr[6]
    put "cream" into foodArr[jar in the door]

--now let's put the new data into the big array
    put foodArr into kitchen[refrigerator][door][shelf][top]
--this means that [tray] is gone
--   replace by 4 keys    1  2  6  "jar in the door"

All the keys in a particular dimension have to be unique.
Reusing the key means you are replacing that key's current definition

Unless you really want to study multidimensional arrays and learn the  
code tricks, be prepared for a mind bender as you attempt to debug  
your code, then wonder if you could ever trust it, let alone come back  
next year and modify it for version 2.16a

Fun, games, and then some.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Pardon my question, but I have learned more about arrays in these  
> four posts than I ever thought about before:
>
> So given that I would want a multi-dimensional array where theData[2] 
> [3] = "Blue" as in the examples provided, what is the 'best' way to  
> enter data into this array, or is the way Bob did it the best way?
>
> Workflow:
> First;
>>> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&  comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
>>> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&  comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
>>> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&  comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
>>> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&  comma&  "White"&  return after theData
> Then ;
> split theData with cr
>
> Would this get me theData[2][3] = "Blue" ??? I thought the delimiter  
> was TAB?
>
> Would this be better:
> put "1"& tab& "A"& tab& "Green"& return into theData
>
> OR is this all wrong and if so what is the 'best' way to enter a lot  
> data into a mutli-dimensional array to get these results??
> Thank you for this.
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> On 1/9/10 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would think that given:
>>>
>>> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&  comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
>>> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&  comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
>>> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&  comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
>>> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&  comma&  "White"&  return after theData
>>>
>>> which would get me:
>>> 1,A,Green
>>> 2,B,Blue
>>> 3,C,Orange
>>> 4,D,White
>>>
>>
>> Actually either of these:
>>
>>   split theData with cr
>>   split theData by row -- where the rowDelimiter is CR
>>
>> would get you this:
>>
>>   theData[1] = "1,A,Green"
>>   theData[2] = "2,B,Blue"
>>   theData[3] = "3,C,Orange"
>>   theData[4] = "4,D,White"
>>
>>> I could then split by column (or by row I get confused) and get a  
>>> simple array where:
>>> theData[1,1] = "1"
>>> theData[1,2] = "A"
>>> theData[2,1] = "2"
>>> theData[4,3] = "White"
>>>
>>> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case!
>>
>> Right. Technically speaking, comma is not an array index separator.  
>> Commas in our array keys help us conceptually represent multiple  
>> array dimensions in our own minds, but Rev sees an array with such  
>> keys as a simple one-dimensional array with alphabetic keys (since  
>> commas are not numerals).
>>
>> Until version 3.0, Rev couldn't handle true multi-dimensional  
>> arrays. Since then, the thing that tells Rev "this is a multi- 
>> dimensional array" is multiple keys per element, with each key in  
>> its own bracket. Like this:
>>
>>   theData[1][1] = "1"
>>   theData[1][2] = "A"
>>   theData[1][3] = "Green"
>>
>>
>> Now do you see why 'transpose()' wouldn't work with your array? In  
>> part it's because your keys aren't numeric - they contain commas.  
>> (Also they have to be sequential numbers.)
>>
>> Welcome to array re-education camp!  ;-)
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>>> If it were, I could issue a command:
>>>
>>> put transpose(theData) into myArray
>>>
>>> and:
>>> myArray[1,2] = 2
>>> myArray[1,3] = 3
>>>
>>> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think there's a function for  
>>> that) then I would have effectively gotten the column of the  
>>> original data. Seems reasonable eh?
>>>
>>> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot get a simple x,y  
>>> row,column grid-like array using these simple commands? Revolution  
>>> seems to think that the first column MUST be the key! I would LIKE  
>>> for revolution to simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my  
>>> data be my data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split  
>>> and combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution  
>>> to treat my first column as the key?
>>>
>>> If arrays worked like I described above, it would be a simple  
>>> matter to get a single column of an array, just by transposing it  
>>> and getting an entire row, instead of writing complex repeat loops  
>>> to get a column of data. Am I missing something here?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save some helpful souls  
>>> the trouble of responding by saying I am capable of making repeat  
>>> loops to accomplish this. I was just hoping that maybe I was  
>>> missing something and I can in fact do what I thought I could.
>>>
>>> Bob_______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
>> PDS Labs
>> Professional Software Development
>> http://pdslabs.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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Jim Ault
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 09:54:32 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:54:32 +0200
Subject: Crappy Website
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Just off the plane, back home in Bulgaria.

This is just to say a BIG THANK YOU !!!

to everyone for their comments and
criticisms.

I will settle down and read through them
and consider them more closely at the
end of the coming week as, just now,
I have to dig my sickly sweet smile out
of the pickle barrel ready for the start
of teaching the tinies tomorrow.

Once again; Thank you.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Jan 10 10:22:02 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:22:02 +0100
Subject: Simplistic use of data grids
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Le 10 janv. 10 ? 11:05, Beynon, Rob a ?crit :

> I think I understand a bit about datagrids, but what I'd really like  
> is the ability to use it as a device to allow entry of data in  
> column,row format, for further processing, purely during that  
> instance of the data.
>
> 1. User enters data, completing all cells in each row - this will be  
> checked for in program
> 2. User processes data via a simple button, such that...
> 3. Program performs analysis of tabulated data in datagrid
> 4. Data is volatile, and is lost when program quits
>
> The reason why I like the datagrid is because it does things like  
> headers and automatic sorts very easily.
>
> However, if I create an empty datagrid, it seems as though it is not  
> possible to manually enter data. I suspect I am doing something  
> wrong with the properties (I select editable though).
>
Bonjour Rob,
I think that an empty datagrid is not editable. There is nothing to  
edit ;-)))

But, If for example your populate it with "x" then it's possible to  
edit it.
1- create a data grid
2 - put manually in the content pane "x" & tab & "x" & tab & "x"
3 - then you are able to edit the cells.

Not necessary to write some x's! only tabs are enough to create  
editable cells.

Hope this help

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 11:55:12 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:55:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <F69C5266-004C-4E10-BD2B-D7D60271D0B9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <366523.94093.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

While trying to rassle these arrays to the ground I tried to transpose one. The following script doesn't work. Can anyone see why? (Need some fresh eyes).
------------------------------ 
on mouseUp

put  1 into myArray[1][1]
put  2 into myArray[1][2]
put  3 into myArray[2][1]
put  4 into myArray[2][2]
put myArray[2][1] into fld 1 -- works til here

put transpose(myArray) into yourArray -- causes problem
put yourArray[2][1] into fld 2

end mouseUp
-------------------
From the dictionary:

The array is a two-dimensional array variable whose elements are 
numbers, and whose keys are sequential numbers.

It seems like the constraints have been met. In the above examples I assume the "elements" would be 1,2,3,4 ? Why would the elements be restricted to numbers? All we are doing is switching the two keys. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas,

 In answering the question concerning

-- the 'best' way to enter Bob's data into an array --

I think the usual concern is that you are given a set of data formatted in a certain way and then you have to shoehorn it into an array. If you want the final array to resemble an Excel spreadsheet (each piece of data gets its own row and column number) then the repeat loop I posted a few messages back would do it. We can call that the easiest way until someone posts an easier one.



-----------------------
Here's the code for populating an array:

-----------------------
-- as an example, put your 4 lines into fld 1
-----------------------
1,A,Green
2,B,Blue
3,C,Orange
4,D,White
-----------------------
-- to get those 4 lines into a multi-dimensional
-- array called myArray I think you need code
-- like below (which you already know)
-- There might be an easier way.
-----------------------
on mouseUp
put fld 1 into v
set itemDelimiter to comma
put zero into countLine
repeat for each line curLine in v
    add 1 to countLine
    put zero into countItem
        repeat for each item curItem in curLine
            add 1 to countItem
            put curItem into myArray[countLine][countItem]
      end repeat
end repeat
put myArray[1][2] into fld 2
end mouseUp
-----------------------
-- will end up with "A" in fld 2

-----------------------








--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:52 AM
> Pardon my question, but I have
> learned more about arrays in these four posts than I ever
> thought about before:
> 
> So given that I would want a multi-dimensional array where
> theData[2][3] = "Blue" as in the examples provided, what is
> the 'best' way to enter data into this array, or is the way
> Bob did it the best way?
> 
> Workflow:
> First;
> >> put "1"&? comma&? "A"&?
> comma&? "Green"&? return into theData
> >> put "2"&? comma&? "B"&?
> comma&? "Blue"&? return after theData
> >> put "3"&? comma&? "C"&?
> comma&? "Orange"&? return after theData
> >> put "4"&? comma&? "D"&?
> comma&? "White"&? return after theData
> Then ;
> split theData with cr
> 
> Would this get me theData[2][3] = "Blue" ??? I thought the
> delimiter was TAB?
> 
> Would this be better:
> put "1"& tab& "A"& tab& "Green"& return
> into theData
> 
> OR is this all wrong and if so what is the 'best' way to
> enter a lot data into a mutli-dimensional array to get these
> results??
> Thank you for this.
> 
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
> 
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> 
> > Hi Bob,
> > 
> > On 1/9/10 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> >> Hi all.
> >> 
> >> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would
> think that given:
> >> 
> >> put "1"&? comma&? "A"&?
> comma&? "Green"&? return into theData
> >> put "2"&? comma&? "B"&?
> comma&? "Blue"&? return after theData
> >> put "3"&? comma&? "C"&?
> comma&? "Orange"&? return after theData
> >> put "4"&? comma&? "D"&?
> comma&? "White"&? return after theData
> >> 
> >> which would get me:
> >> 1,A,Green
> >> 2,B,Blue
> >> 3,C,Orange
> >> 4,D,White
> >> 
> > 
> > Actually either of these:
> > 
> >? ? split theData with cr
> >? ? split theData by row -- where the
> rowDelimiter is CR
> > 
> > would get you this:
> > 
> >? ? theData[1] = "1,A,Green"
> >? ? theData[2] = "2,B,Blue"
> >? ? theData[3] = "3,C,Orange"
> >? ? theData[4] = "4,D,White"
> > 
> >> I could then split by column (or by row I get
> confused) and get a simple array where:
> >> theData[1,1] = "1"
> >> theData[1,2] = "A"
> >> theData[2,1] = "2"
> >> theData[4,3] = "White"
> >> 
> >> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case!
> > 
> > Right. Technically speaking, comma is not an array
> index separator. Commas in our array keys help us
> conceptually represent multiple array dimensions in our own
> minds, but Rev sees an array with such keys as a simple
> one-dimensional array with alphabetic keys (since commas are
> not numerals).
> > 
> > Until version 3.0, Rev couldn't handle true
> multi-dimensional arrays. Since then, the thing that tells
> Rev "this is a multi-dimensional array" is multiple keys per
> element, with each key in its own bracket. Like this:
> > 
> >? ? theData[1][1] = "1"
> >? ? theData[1][2] = "A"
> >? ? theData[1][3] = "Green"
> > 
> > 
> > Now do you see why 'transpose()' wouldn't work with
> your array? In part it's because your keys aren't numeric -
> they contain commas. (Also they have to be sequential
> numbers.)
> > 
> > Welcome to array re-education camp!? ;-)
> > 
> > Phil Davis
> > 
> > 
> >>? If it were, I could issue a command:
> >> 
> >> put transpose(theData) into myArray
> >> 
> >> and:
> >> myArray[1,2] = 2
> >> myArray[1,3] = 3
> >> 
> >> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think
> there's a function for that) then I would have effectively
> gotten the column of the original data. Seems reasonable
> eh?
> >> 
> >> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot
> get a simple x,y row,column grid-like array using these
> simple commands? Revolution seems to think that the first
> column MUST be the key! I would LIKE for revolution to
> simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my data be my
> data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split and
> combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution
> to treat my first column as the key?
> >> 
> >> If arrays worked like I described above, it would
> be a simple matter to get a single column of an array, just
> by transposing it and getting an entire row, instead of
> writing complex repeat loops to get a column of data. Am I
> missing something here?
> >> 
> >> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save
> some helpful souls the trouble of responding by saying I am
> capable of making repeat loops to accomplish this. I was
> just hoping that maybe I was missing something and I can in
> fact do what I thought I could.
> >> 
> >>
> Bob_______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
> and manage your subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > --Phil Davis
> > 
> > PDS Labs
> > Professional Software Development
> > http://pdslabs.net
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 12:05:33 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:05:33 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <366523.94093.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <366523.94093.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0DD1AC42-C3FB-4E09-B33E-BE92B7078F64@yahoo.com>

An array with one key and one element (value) is two dimensions

myArray[1][1]   is three dimensions ( two keys and one element )

Again, Rev uses associative arrays.
Transpose means switching the numeric *values* for the numeric  
*keys*.  The keys must be sequential.

Excel transpose does not meant the same thing.
Excel array notation and functions operate differently.

Rev would use a 'table' with
      item j of line i of tabularData

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Michael Kann wrote:

> While trying to rassle these arrays to the ground I tried to  
> transpose one. The following script doesn't work. Can anyone see  
> why? (Need some fresh eyes).
> ------------------------------
> on mouseUp
>
> put  1 into myArray[1][1]
> put  2 into myArray[1][2]
> put  3 into myArray[2][1]
> put  4 into myArray[2][2]
> put myArray[2][1] into fld 1 -- works til here
>
> put transpose(myArray) into yourArray -- causes problem
> put yourArray[2][1] into fld 2
>
> end mouseUp
> -------------------
> From the dictionary:
>
> The array is a two-dimensional array variable whose elements are
> numbers, and whose keys are sequential numbers.
>
> It seems like the constraints have been met. In the above examples I  
> assume the "elements" would be 1,2,3,4 ? Why would the elements be  
> restricted to numbers? All we are doing is switching the two keys.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas,
>
> In answering the question concerning
>
> -- the 'best' way to enter Bob's data into an array --
>
> I think the usual concern is that you are given a set of data  
> formatted in a certain way and then you have to shoehorn it into an  
> array. If you want the final array to resemble an Excel spreadsheet  
> (each piece of data gets its own row and column number) then the  
> repeat loop I posted a few messages back would do it. We can call  
> that the easiest way until someone posts an easier one.
>
>
>
> -----------------------
> Here's the code for populating an array:
>
> -----------------------
> -- as an example, put your 4 lines into fld 1
> -----------------------
> 1,A,Green
> 2,B,Blue
> 3,C,Orange
> 4,D,White
> -----------------------
> -- to get those 4 lines into a multi-dimensional
> -- array called myArray I think you need code
> -- like below (which you already know)
> -- There might be an easier way.
> -----------------------
> on mouseUp
> put fld 1 into v
> set itemDelimiter to comma
> put zero into countLine
> repeat for each line curLine in v
>    add 1 to countLine
>    put zero into countItem
>        repeat for each item curItem in curLine
>            add 1 to countItem
>            put curItem into myArray[countLine][countItem]
>      end repeat
> end repeat
> put myArray[1][2] into fld 2
> end mouseUp
> -----------------------
> -- will end up with "A" in fld 2
>
> -----------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:52 AM
>> Pardon my question, but I have
>> learned more about arrays in these four posts than I ever
>> thought about before:
>>
>> So given that I would want a multi-dimensional array where
>> theData[2][3] = "Blue" as in the examples provided, what is
>> the 'best' way to enter data into this array, or is the way
>> Bob did it the best way?
>>
>> Workflow:
>> First;
>>>> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&
>> comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
>>>> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&
>> comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
>>>> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&
>> comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
>>>> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&
>> comma&  "White"&  return after theData
>> Then ;
>> split theData with cr
>>
>> Would this get me theData[2][3] = "Blue" ??? I thought the
>> delimiter was TAB?
>>
>> Would this be better:
>> put "1"& tab& "A"& tab& "Green"& return
>> into theData
>>
>> OR is this all wrong and if so what is the 'best' way to
>> enter a lot data into a mutli-dimensional array to get these
>> results??
>> Thank you for this.
>>
>> Tom McGrath III
>> Lazy River Software
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>
>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
>> Information and download can be found on this page:
>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> On 1/9/10 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL. I would
>> think that given:
>>>>
>>>> put "1"&  comma&  "A"&
>> comma&  "Green"&  return into theData
>>>> put "2"&  comma&  "B"&
>> comma&  "Blue"&  return after theData
>>>> put "3"&  comma&  "C"&
>> comma&  "Orange"&  return after theData
>>>> put "4"&  comma&  "D"&
>> comma&  "White"&  return after theData
>>>>
>>>> which would get me:
>>>> 1,A,Green
>>>> 2,B,Blue
>>>> 3,C,Orange
>>>> 4,D,White
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually either of these:
>>>
>>>     split theData with cr
>>>     split theData by row -- where the
>> rowDelimiter is CR
>>>
>>> would get you this:
>>>
>>>     theData[1] = "1,A,Green"
>>>     theData[2] = "2,B,Blue"
>>>     theData[3] = "3,C,Orange"
>>>     theData[4] = "4,D,White"
>>>
>>>> I could then split by column (or by row I get
>> confused) and get a simple array where:
>>>> theData[1,1] = "1"
>>>> theData[1,2] = "A"
>>>> theData[2,1] = "2"
>>>> theData[4,3] = "White"
>>>>
>>>> And so forth. However, this is NOT the case!
>>>
>>> Right. Technically speaking, comma is not an array
>> index separator. Commas in our array keys help us
>> conceptually represent multiple array dimensions in our own
>> minds, but Rev sees an array with such keys as a simple
>> one-dimensional array with alphabetic keys (since commas are
>> not numerals).
>>>
>>> Until version 3.0, Rev couldn't handle true
>> multi-dimensional arrays. Since then, the thing that tells
>> Rev "this is a multi-dimensional array" is multiple keys per
>> element, with each key in its own bracket. Like this:
>>>
>>>     theData[1][1] = "1"
>>>     theData[1][2] = "A"
>>>     theData[1][3] = "Green"
>>>
>>>
>>> Now do you see why 'transpose()' wouldn't work with
>> your array? In part it's because your keys aren't numeric -
>> they contain commas. (Also they have to be sequential
>> numbers.)
>>>
>>> Welcome to array re-education camp!  ;-)
>>>
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>>   If it were, I could issue a command:
>>>>
>>>> put transpose(theData) into myArray
>>>>
>>>> and:
>>>> myArray[1,2] = 2
>>>> myArray[1,3] = 3
>>>>
>>>> and so on. If I got the entire row (I think
>> there's a function for that) then I would have effectively
>> gotten the column of the original data. Seems reasonable
>> eh?
>>>>
>>>> So can someone please explain to me why I cannot
>> get a simple x,y row,column grid-like array using these
>> simple commands? Revolution seems to think that the first
>> column MUST be the key! I would LIKE for revolution to
>> simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my data be my
>> data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the split and
>> combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT Revolution
>> to treat my first column as the key?
>>>>
>>>> If arrays worked like I described above, it would
>> be a simple matter to get a single column of an array, just
>> by transposing it and getting an entire row, instead of
>> writing complex repeat loops to get a column of data. Am I
>> missing something here?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can save
>> some helpful souls the trouble of responding by saying I am
>> capable of making repeat loops to accomplish this. I was
>> just hoping that maybe I was missing something and I can in
>> fact do what I thought I could.
>>>>
>>>>
>> Bob_______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>> --Phil Davis
>>>
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>>> Professional Software Development
>>> http://pdslabs.net
>>>
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>
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 12:23:37 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:23:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <0DD1AC42-C3FB-4E09-B33E-BE92B7078F64@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200474.87853.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jim, thanks for the info. I'm really learning a lot sitting here in the coldest room in the house with the little electric heater blowing in my face. How's it in Las Vegas?

Thanks for weaning me of the Excel model of transpose. I was going by the RunRev dictionary. Since I can't get transpose to work using almost the exact same example they used I assume I am missing something obvious or the docs need revision. Let's see what the dictionary has to say and see if we can get something working.

Thanks again Jim for all your help.

Mike

-------------------------------------------------------------------
-- the dictionary entry for transpose:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Comments:
A two-dimensional array is an array whose elements have a two-part key to describe them. You can visualize such an array as a set of rows and columns: the first part of each element's key is the row number, and the second part is the column number. For example, the expression myArray[3,2] describes the element of myArray which is in the third row, second column.

The transpose function simply swaps rows for columns. In other words, for each element in the array, the corresponding element in transpose(array) has its two parts switched one for the other. The value in the third row, second column is moved to the second row, third column.

The transpose function is its own inverse: you can transpose a transposed array again to recover the original array.

  Important!  If the array has missing elements, the transposefunction will fail to work. For example, an array that contains elements myArray[1,1], myArray[1,2], and myArray[2,2] cannot be transposed because the element myArray[2,1] is missing.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:05 AM
> An array with one key and one element
> (value) is two dimensions
> 
> myArray[1][1]???is three dimensions ( two
> keys and one element )
> 
> Again, Rev uses associative arrays.
> Transpose means switching the numeric *values* for the
> numeric? 
> *keys*.? The keys must be sequential.
> 
> Excel transpose does not meant the same thing.
> Excel array notation and functions operate differently.
> 
> Rev would use a 'table' with
> ? ? ? item j of line i of tabularData
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Michael Kann wrote:
> 
> > While trying to rassle these arrays to the ground I
> tried to? 
> > transpose one. The following script doesn't work. Can
> anyone see? 
> > why? (Need some fresh eyes).
> > ------------------------------
> > on mouseUp
> >
> > put? 1 into myArray[1][1]
> > put? 2 into myArray[1][2]
> > put? 3 into myArray[2][1]
> > put? 4 into myArray[2][2]
> > put myArray[2][1] into fld 1 -- works til here
> >
> > put transpose(myArray) into yourArray -- causes
> problem
> > put yourArray[2][1] into fld 2
> >
> > end mouseUp
> > -------------------
> > From the dictionary:
> >
> > The array is a two-dimensional array variable whose
> elements are
> > numbers, and whose keys are sequential numbers.
> >
> > It seems like the constraints have been met. In the
> above examples I? 
> > assume the "elements" would be 1,2,3,4 ? Why would the
> elements be? 
> > restricted to numbers? All we are doing is switching
> the two keys.
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Thomas,
> >
> > In answering the question concerning
> >
> > -- the 'best' way to enter Bob's data into an array
> --
> >
> > I think the usual concern is that you are given a set
> of data? 
> > formatted in a certain way and then you have to
> shoehorn it into an? 
> > array. If you want the final array to resemble an
> Excel spreadsheet? 
> > (each piece of data gets its own row and column
> number) then the? 
> > repeat loop I posted a few messages back would do it.
> We can call? 
> > that the easiest way until someone posts an easier
> one.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------
> > Here's the code for populating an array:
> >
> > -----------------------
> > -- as an example, put your 4 lines into fld 1
> > -----------------------
> > 1,A,Green
> > 2,B,Blue
> > 3,C,Orange
> > 4,D,White
> > -----------------------
> > -- to get those 4 lines into a multi-dimensional
> > -- array called myArray I think you need code
> > -- like below (which you already know)
> > -- There might be an easier way.
> > -----------------------
> > on mouseUp
> > put fld 1 into v
> > set itemDelimiter to comma
> > put zero into countLine
> > repeat for each line curLine in v
> >? ? add 1 to countLine
> >? ? put zero into countItem
> >? ? ? ? repeat for each item
> curItem in curLine
> >? ? ? ? ? ? add 1 to
> countItem
> >? ? ? ? ? ? put curItem
> into myArray[countLine][countItem]
> >? ? ? end repeat
> > end repeat
> > put myArray[1][2] into fld 2
> > end mouseUp
> > -----------------------
> > -- will end up with "A" in fld 2
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> >> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:52 AM
> >> Pardon my question, but I have
> >> learned more about arrays in these four posts than
> I ever
> >> thought about before:
> >>
> >> So given that I would want a multi-dimensional
> array where
> >> theData[2][3] = "Blue" as in the examples
> provided, what is
> >> the 'best' way to enter data into this array, or
> is the way
> >> Bob did it the best way?
> >>
> >> Workflow:
> >> First;
> >>>> put "1"&? comma&?
> "A"&
> >> comma&? "Green"&? return into
> theData
> >>>> put "2"&? comma&?
> "B"&
> >> comma&? "Blue"&? return after
> theData
> >>>> put "3"&? comma&?
> "C"&
> >> comma&? "Orange"&? return after
> theData
> >>>> put "4"&? comma&?
> "D"&
> >> comma&? "White"&? return after
> theData
> >> Then ;
> >> split theData with cr
> >>
> >> Would this get me theData[2][3] = "Blue" ??? I
> thought the
> >> delimiter was TAB?
> >>
> >> Would this be better:
> >> put "1"& tab& "A"& tab&
> "Green"& return
> >> into theData
> >>
> >> OR is this all wrong and if so what is the 'best'
> way to
> >> enter a lot data into a mutli-dimensional array to
> get these
> >> results??
> >> Thank you for this.
> >>
> >> Tom McGrath III
> >> Lazy River Software
> >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> >>
> >> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> >> Information and download can be found on this
> page:
> >> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
> >>
> >> On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Bob,
> >>>
> >>> On 1/9/10 5:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> >>>> Hi all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Apparently I am not getting arrays AT ALL.
> I would
> >> think that given:
> >>>>
> >>>> put "1"&? comma&?
> "A"&
> >> comma&? "Green"&? return into
> theData
> >>>> put "2"&? comma&?
> "B"&
> >> comma&? "Blue"&? return after
> theData
> >>>> put "3"&? comma&?
> "C"&
> >> comma&? "Orange"&? return after
> theData
> >>>> put "4"&? comma&?
> "D"&
> >> comma&? "White"&? return after
> theData
> >>>>
> >>>> which would get me:
> >>>> 1,A,Green
> >>>> 2,B,Blue
> >>>> 3,C,Orange
> >>>> 4,D,White
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Actually either of these:
> >>>
> >>>? ???split theData with cr
> >>>? ???split theData by row
> -- where the
> >> rowDelimiter is CR
> >>>
> >>> would get you this:
> >>>
> >>>? ???theData[1] =
> "1,A,Green"
> >>>? ???theData[2] =
> "2,B,Blue"
> >>>? ???theData[3] =
> "3,C,Orange"
> >>>? ???theData[4] =
> "4,D,White"
> >>>
> >>>> I could then split by column (or by row I
> get
> >> confused) and get a simple array where:
> >>>> theData[1,1] = "1"
> >>>> theData[1,2] = "A"
> >>>> theData[2,1] = "2"
> >>>> theData[4,3] = "White"
> >>>>
> >>>> And so forth. However, this is NOT the
> case!
> >>>
> >>> Right. Technically speaking, comma is not an
> array
> >> index separator. Commas in our array keys help us
> >> conceptually represent multiple array dimensions
> in our own
> >> minds, but Rev sees an array with such keys as a
> simple
> >> one-dimensional array with alphabetic keys (since
> commas are
> >> not numerals).
> >>>
> >>> Until version 3.0, Rev couldn't handle true
> >> multi-dimensional arrays. Since then, the thing
> that tells
> >> Rev "this is a multi-dimensional array" is
> multiple keys per
> >> element, with each key in its own bracket. Like
> this:
> >>>
> >>>? ???theData[1][1] = "1"
> >>>? ???theData[1][2] = "A"
> >>>? ???theData[1][3] =
> "Green"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Now do you see why 'transpose()' wouldn't work
> with
> >> your array? In part it's because your keys aren't
> numeric -
> >> they contain commas. (Also they have to be
> sequential
> >> numbers.)
> >>>
> >>> Welcome to array re-education camp!? ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Phil Davis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>???If it were, I could issue
> a command:
> >>>>
> >>>> put transpose(theData) into myArray
> >>>>
> >>>> and:
> >>>> myArray[1,2] = 2
> >>>> myArray[1,3] = 3
> >>>>
> >>>> and so on. If I got the entire row (I
> think
> >> there's a function for that) then I would have
> effectively
> >> gotten the column of the original data. Seems
> reasonable
> >> eh?
> >>>>
> >>>> So can someone please explain to me why I
> cannot
> >> get a simple x,y row,column grid-like array using
> these
> >> simple commands? Revolution seems to think that
> the first
> >> column MUST be the key! I would LIKE for
> revolution to
> >> simply create it's OWN numerical keys and let my
> data be my
> >> data. Maybe in the future add an argument to the
> split and
> >> combine commands to tell it whether or not I WANT
> Revolution
> >> to treat my first column as the key?
> >>>>
> >>>> If arrays worked like I described above,
> it would
> >> be a simple matter to get a single column of an
> array, just
> >> by transposing it and getting an entire row,
> instead of
> >> writing complex repeat loops to get a column of
> data. Am I
> >> missing something here?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for any wisdom you can give. I can
> save
> >> some helpful souls the trouble of responding by
> saying I am
> >> capable of making repeat loops to accomplish this.
> I was
> >> just hoping that maybe I was missing something and
> I can in
> >> fact do what I thought I could.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> Bob_______________________________________________
> >>>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe,
> unsubscribe
> >> and manage your subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --Phil Davis
> >>>
> >>> PDS Labs
> >>> Professional Software Development
> >>> http://pdslabs.net
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> unsubscribe and
> >> manage your subscription preferences:
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> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 12:34:35 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:34:35 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <200474.87853.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <200474.87853.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18603BCB-2D51-4678-95DF-F576A5A46889@yahoo.com>

Yours is not the same syntax as the example in the docs

put  1 into myArray[1][1]
put  2 into myArray[1][2]
put  3 into myArray[2][1]
put  4 into myArray[2][2]

theirs
put  1 into myArray[1,1]
put  2 into myArray[1,2]
put  3 into myArray[2,1]
put  4 into myArray[2,2]

But theirs does not make sense to me, since "1,1" is like "1comma1" or  
"1a1" if all keys are strings (except when they fall into a special  
category of sequential integers)
Sorry I could not be of more help, but I long ago regarded arrays in  
Rev as NOT useful mathematical constructs.

There is no ReDim or ReDim preserve in Rev arrays.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Michael Kann wrote:

> Jim, thanks for the info. I'm really learning a lot sitting here in  
> the coldest room in the house with the little electric heater  
> blowing in my face. How's it in Las Vegas?
>
> Thanks for weaning me of the Excel model of transpose. I was going  
> by the RunRev dictionary. Since I can't get transpose to work using  
> almost the exact same example they used I assume I am missing  
> something obvious or the docs need revision. Let's see what the  
> dictionary has to say and see if we can get something working.
>
> Thanks again Jim for all your help.
>
> Mike
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- the dictionary entry for transpose:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Comments:
> A two-dimensional array is an array whose elements have a two-part  
> key to describe them. You can visualize such an array as a set of  
> rows and columns: the first part of each element's key is the row  
> number, and the second part is the column number. For example, the  
> expression myArray[3,2] describes the element of myArray which is in  
> the third row, second column.
>
> The transpose function simply swaps rows for columns. In other  
> words, for each element in the array, the corresponding element in  
> transpose(array) has its two parts switched one for the other. The  
> value in the third row, second column is moved to the second row,  
> third column.
>
> The transpose function is its own inverse: you can transpose a  
> transposed array again to recover the original array.
>
>  Important!  If the array has missing elements, the  
> transposefunction will fail to work. For example, an array that  
> contains elements myArray[1,1], myArray[1,2], and myArray[2,2]  
> cannot be transposed because the element myArray[2,1] is missing.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:05 AM
>> An array with one key and one element
>> (value) is two dimensions
>>
>> myArray[1][1]   is three dimensions ( two
>> keys and one element )
>>
>> Again, Rev uses associative arrays.
>> Transpose means switching the numeric *values* for the
>> numeric
>> *keys*.  The keys must be sequential.
>>
>> Excel transpose does not meant the same thing.
>> Excel array notation and functions operate differently.
>>
>> Rev would use a 'table' with
>>       item j of line i of tabularData


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 12:42:26 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:42:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <18603BCB-2D51-4678-95DF-F576A5A46889@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <487788.25531.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jim, thanks for the fresh eyes. My example does differ. I'll give their version a try. When I tested the -- myArray[1,1] --  format earlier I couldn't get it to work -- maybe it was just me. I do agree that the arrays in RunRev aren't that useful when you have the chunk expressions that are so convenient. I guess you need arrays for custom properties, but I never use them, either.

Thanks for the reply.



--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:34 AM
> Yours is not the same syntax as the
> example in the docs
> 
> put? 1 into myArray[1][1]
> put? 2 into myArray[1][2]
> put? 3 into myArray[2][1]
> put? 4 into myArray[2][2]
> 
> theirs
> put? 1 into myArray[1,1]
> put? 2 into myArray[1,2]
> put? 3 into myArray[2,1]
> put? 4 into myArray[2,2]
> 
> But theirs does not make sense to me, since "1,1" is like
> "1comma1" or "1a1" if all keys are strings (except when they
> fall into a special category of sequential integers)
> Sorry I could not be of more help, but I long ago regarded
> arrays in Rev as NOT useful mathematical constructs.
> 
> There is no ReDim or ReDim preserve in Rev arrays.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Michael Kann wrote:
> 
> > Jim, thanks for the info. I'm really learning a lot
> sitting here in the coldest room in the house with the
> little electric heater blowing in my face. How's it in Las
> Vegas?
> > 
> > Thanks for weaning me of the Excel model of transpose.
> I was going by the RunRev dictionary. Since I can't get
> transpose to work using almost the exact same example they
> used I assume I am missing something obvious or the docs
> need revision. Let's see what the dictionary has to say and
> see if we can get something working.
> > 
> > Thanks again Jim for all your help.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -- the dictionary entry for transpose:
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Comments:
> > A two-dimensional array is an array whose elements
> have a two-part key to describe them. You can visualize such
> an array as a set of rows and columns: the first part of
> each element's key is the row number, and the second part is
> the column number. For example, the expression myArray[3,2]
> describes the element of myArray which is in the third row,
> second column.
> > 
> > The transpose function simply swaps rows for columns.
> In other words, for each element in the array, the
> corresponding element in transpose(array) has its two parts
> switched one for the other. The value in the third row,
> second column is moved to the second row, third column.
> > 
> > The transpose function is its own inverse: you can
> transpose a transposed array again to recover the original
> array.
> > 
> >? Important!? If the array has missing
> elements, the transposefunction will fail to work. For
> example, an array that contains elements myArray[1,1],
> myArray[1,2], and myArray[2,2] cannot be transposed because
> the element myArray[2,1] is missing.
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> >> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:05 AM
> >> An array with one key and one element
> >> (value) is two dimensions
> >> 
> >> myArray[1][1]???is three dimensions
> ( two
> >> keys and one element )
> >> 
> >> Again, Rev uses associative arrays.
> >> Transpose means switching the numeric *values* for
> the
> >> numeric
> >> *keys*.? The keys must be sequential.
> >> 
> >> Excel transpose does not meant the same thing.
> >> Excel array notation and functions operate
> differently.
> >> 
> >> Rev would use a 'table' with
> >>? ? ???item j of line i of
> tabularData
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Jan 10 12:43:48 2010
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:43:48 -0700
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <20100110170545.DA9BE2880A5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100110170545.DA9BE2880A5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AF4D5007-F70A-438A-9336-87EA6456230B@mac.com>

I very much appreciate this discussion about arrays and I too have learned a lot. Any chance someone has done a tutorial?

Thanks and cheers,
Roger Guay


On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:05 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Re: Simple Arrays



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 13:00:01 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:00:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <AF4D5007-F70A-438A-9336-87EA6456230B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <924752.86723.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/intermediate-arrays/

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7810-How-do-I-display-an-array-in-a-table-field-


--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:43 AM
> I very much appreciate this
> discussion about arrays and I too have learned a lot. Any
> chance someone has done a tutorial?
> 
> Thanks and cheers,
> Roger Guay
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:05 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
> wrote:
> 
> > Re: Simple Arrays
> 
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 13:15:39 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:15:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <AF4D5007-F70A-438A-9336-87EA6456230B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <995672.96935.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

More goodies:

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue53/newsletter1.php

More baddies:

It looks like the "extents" function only works for one dimension of an array

on mouseUp
put uno_uno into a[1][1]
put uno_dos into a[1][2]
put dos_uno into a[2][1]
put dos_dos into a[2][2]
put the extents of a into fld 1
end mouseUp

--
fld 1 will have  1,2 -- just one line
---- 
-- according to  the dictionary we should get 2 lines, one for each dimension


Use the extents function to find the minimum and maximum row and column numbers of an array whose keys are integers.

Parameters:
The array is any array of any dimension whose keys are numbers.

Value:
The extents function returns one line for each dimension of the array.

Each line contains two numbers separated by commas. The first item is the lowest key number in that dimension, and the second item is the highest key number.

Comments:
If any of the keys of the array is non-numeric, the extents function returns empty.


--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: Simple Arrays
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:43 AM
> I very much appreciate this
> discussion about arrays and I too have learned a lot. Any
> chance someone has done a tutorial?
> 
> Thanks and cheers,
> Roger Guay
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:05 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
> wrote:
> 
> > Re: Simple Arrays
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 10 13:16:08 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:16:08 +0000
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001101016s7cf54a16s148aeefe0a6eff40@mail.gmail.com>

Hi can anyone advise - I've posted to the forums and emailed support a
couple of times, but no reply yet. I'd like to keep the main domain hosted
elsewhere for a site, and then host a subdomain at on-rev. I can't figure
out how to do this without transfering the whole top-level domain to On-Rev.


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sun Jan 10 13:25:55 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:25:55 -0800
Subject: Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <4B49EA28.6000903@gmail.com>
References: <EDD80E17-A037-4513-AACA-C4E4C5C03057@wanadoo.fr>
	<4B49EA28.6000903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488339B5-A9E9-4E35-8769-ADD684A9159E@cruzio.com>


On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 
> I have to dig my sickly sweet smile out
> of the pickle barrel ready for the start
> of teaching the tinies tomorrow.


Sorry to hear you don't possess an honest, welcoming smile you could produce to welcome your kids back to school.  They're just kids, and they're just doing the job the adults have sent them off to do.

Mark




From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 13:29:19 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:29:19 -0800
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001101016s7cf54a16s148aeefe0a6eff40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001101016s7cf54a16s148aeefe0a6eff40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A1C7F.6060405@comcast.net>

You could set up the subdomain with you current site, then re-direct to 
something hosted at On-Rev (though technically I don't think it could be 
a sub domain of you main domain) Or use frames?

Marty Knapp
> Hi can anyone advise - I've posted to the forums and emailed support a
> couple of times, but no reply yet. I'd like to keep the main domain hosted
> elsewhere for a site, and then host a subdomain at on-rev. I can't figure
> out how to do this without transfering the whole top-level domain to On-Rev.
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>   



From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Jan 10 13:36:32 2010
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:36:32 -0800
Subject: Crappy Website
Message-ID: <20100110183633.VRK11375.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Wow, has this whole thread devolved.  At to the original post, please feel good that you are being brave enough to publish a public exclamation of who you are and what you care about.  I think your first instinct is correct... To he'll with style and fashion.  It so open hides content and shames people into subservance and group-think.  Be yourself.  Keep your eyes on salience.  Lead. (but don't expect followers)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:25 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Re : Crappy Website


On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 
> I have to dig my sickly sweet smile out
> of the pickle barrel ready for the start
> of teaching the tinies tomorrow.


Sorry to hear you don't possess an honest, welcoming smile you could produce to welcome your kids back to school.  They're just kids, and they're just doing the job the adults have sent them off to do.

Mark


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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:57:11 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:57:11 +0200
Subject: Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <488339B5-A9E9-4E35-8769-ADD684A9159E@cruzio.com>
References: <EDD80E17-A037-4513-AACA-C4E4C5C03057@wanadoo.fr>	<4B49EA28.6000903@gmail.com>
	<488339B5-A9E9-4E35-8769-ADD684A9159E@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A2307.7090406@gmail.com>

On 10/01/2010 20:25, Mark Swindell wrote:
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>    
>> I have to dig my sickly sweet smile out
>> of the pickle barrel ready for the start
>> of teaching the tinies tomorrow.
>>      
>
> Sorry to hear you don't possess an honest, welcoming smile you could produce to welcome your kids back to school.  They're just kids, and they're just doing the job the adults have sent them off to do.
>
> Mark
>
>    

I'm sorry to see that you did not realise that I was being tongue-in-cheek.

If I really wanted to "make money" I would be out in the Arabian Gulf where
I once earned in a month twice what I earn here in a year. I make just 
enough
to pay my bills - and the only reason I do this work is because, in the 
first time
in my life I have a job in which I passionately believe.

And . . .

By-the-by

most parents know little or nothing about what constitutes good holistic
education, so I make damn sure the kids are NOT doing the job the adults
have sent them off to do: I make sure the children are learning in a
child-centred safe environment which is completely unlike the
semi-Dickensian school methods that are standard here in Bulgaria.

You have 'pricked me hard' on that one as I live for my teaching, and
I do not 'teach to live'.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:59:02 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:59:02 +0000
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <4B4A1C7F.6060405@comcast.net>
References: <c1c5836b1001101016s7cf54a16s148aeefe0a6eff40@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4A1C7F.6060405@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001101059s6fd7f069uf17654ff8dafc0db@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply Marty - frames are out, redirection of some sort may be
OK - though as it is not something I've done, and there are a number of ways
to do this - I'd like to know the non-hacky way of doing this without the
url in the browser changing. I think all I need to do is change the DNS C
records to point to an On-Rev subdomain - anyone know of anything I should
be careful of before doing this?

2010/1/10 Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>

> You could set up the subdomain with you current site, then re-direct to
> something hosted at On-Rev (though technically I don't think it could be a
> sub domain of you main domain) Or use frames?
>
> Marty Knapp
>
>> Hi can anyone advise - I've posted to the forums and emailed support a
>> couple of times, but no reply yet. I'd like to keep the main domain hosted
>> elsewhere for a site, and then host a subdomain at on-rev. I can't figure
>> out how to do this without transfering the whole top-level domain to
>> On-Rev.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 14:01:45 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:01:45 +0200
Subject: Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <20100110183633.VRK11375.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20100110183633.VRK11375.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4B4A2419.1080903@gmail.com>

On 10/01/2010 20:36, Randall Reetz wrote:
> Wow, has this whole thread devolved.  At to the original post, please feel good that you are being brave enough to publish a public exclamation of who you are and what you care about.  I think your first instinct is correct... To he'll with style and fashion.  It so open hides content and shames people into subservance and group-think.  Be yourself.  Keep your eyes on salience.  Lead. (but don't expect followers)
>    

Thanks Randall!

I, unlike quite a few (cough, cough, cough) don't really see myself in 
any sort of messianic, guru sort of role.

However, in about 18 months I should like to move to England (aging 
parents, younger boy's schooling; usual mundane concerns)
at which point I will need some sort of work (preferably doing some sort 
of programming). My sister told me in no uncertain terms
that a would-be employer would take one look at my website and flush me 
down the toilet of history; so, I have to sell myself -
so, have to conform (something I am extremely bad at, surprise, surprise).




From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 14:05:15 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:05:15 -0500
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001101059s6fd7f069uf17654ff8dafc0db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001101016s7cf54a16s148aeefe0a6eff40@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4A1C7F.6060405@comcast.net>
	<c1c5836b1001101059s6fd7f069uf17654ff8dafc0db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2056735A-D820-405C-A2C2-D0BD839B6DD6@verizon.net>


On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:59 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> I think all I need to do is change the DNS C
> records to point to an On-Rev subdomain - anyone know of anything I should
> be careful of before doing this?

I did that for a site, and it all seems to be transparent after that. A user would type in the original url, and has no indication that they are looking at a site hosted on on-rev.




From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Jan 10 14:15:05 2010
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:15:05 -0800
Subject: Crappy Website
Message-ID: <20100110191507.HJSE27221.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Then how about using something like "wordpress".  That way, you can concentrate on your content, and let their designers do the layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:01 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Re : Crappy Website

On 10/01/2010 20:36, Randall Reetz wrote:
> Wow, has this whole thread devolved.  At to the original post, please feel good that you are being brave enough to publish a public exclamation of who you are and what you care about.  I think your first instinct is correct.. To he'll with style and fashion.  It so open hides content and shames people into subservance and group-think.  Be yourself.  Keep your eyes on salience.  Lead. (but don't expect followers)
>    

Thanks Randall!

I, unlike quite a few (cough, cough, cough) don't really see myself in 
any sort of messianic, guru sort of role.

However, in about 18 months I should like to move to England (aging 
parents, younger boy's schooling; usual mundane concerns)
at which point I will need some sort of work (preferably doing some sort 
of programming). My sister told me in no uncertain terms
that a would-be employer would take one look at my website and flush me 
down the toilet of history; so, I have to sell myself -
so, have to conform (something I am extremely bad at, surprise, surprise).


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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan 10 14:17:53 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:17:53 +0000
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000000B0003B0EE@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

it?s  a little complicated, but it is possible. I?ve done this already.

step 1. create an A-record for your desired subdomain on the nameserver, which is responsible
for the main domain and point it to the ip of your On-Rev-domain
If you cannot do this directly, let your provider do this for  you.

step 2. get the ip-adresses of the nameservers, which are responsible for your main domain.

step 3. Ask the support at  support at on-rev.com to add the ip-adresses (from step 2)  to the file ips.remotedns.

step 4. After support has added the ip-addresses to the file, add your subdomain  to your on-rev account. But you have to add it as an addon-domain.

That?s it.

HTH,

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere) (10-Jan-2010 19:20)
From:    David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Hi can anyone advise - I've posted to the forums and emailed support a
> couple of times, but no reply yet. I'd like to keep the main domain hosted
> elsewhere for a site, and then host a subdomain at on-rev. I can't figure
> out how to do this without transfering the whole top-level domain to On-Rev.
> 
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 14:19:04 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:19:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <20100110191507.HJSE27221.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <256457.69355.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I agree with Randall (for once). 

Richmond, be yourself. Everybody else is taken.

-----------------------------------------------------

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:

> From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
> Subject: RE: Re : Crappy Website
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:15 PM
> Then how about using something like
> "wordpress".? That way, you can concentrate on your
> content, and let their designers do the layout.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Re : Crappy Website
> 
> On 10/01/2010 20:36, Randall Reetz wrote:
> > Wow, has this whole thread devolved.? At to the
> original post, please feel good that you are being brave
> enough to publish a public exclamation of who you are and
> what you care about.? I think your first instinct is
> correct.. To he'll with style and fashion.? It so open
> hides content and shames people into subservance and
> group-think.? Be yourself.? Keep your eyes on
> salience.? Lead. (but don't expect followers)
> >? ? 
> 
> Thanks Randall!
> 
> I, unlike quite a few (cough, cough, cough) don't really
> see myself in 
> any sort of messianic, guru sort of role.
> 
> However, in about 18 months I should like to move to
> England (aging 
> parents, younger boy's schooling; usual mundane concerns)
> at which point I will need some sort of work (preferably
> doing some sort 
> of programming). My sister told me in no uncertain terms
> that a would-be employer would take one look at my website
> and flush me 
> down the toilet of history; so, I have to sell myself -
> so, have to conform (something I am extremely bad at,
> surprise, surprise).
> 
> 
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 16:01:12 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:01:12 +0000
Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000000B0003B0EE@192.168.168.3>
References: <DIIE.0000000B0003B0EE@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001101301o1f83f003rdb30653145285246@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Matthias - what is the advantage of doing this over changing a C -
record. I have full DNS control so can do as you propose but not sure why?

2010/1/10 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>

> Hi,
>
> it?s  a little complicated, but it is possible. I?ve done this already.
>
> step 1. create an A-record for your desired subdomain on the nameserver,
> which is responsible
> for the main domain and point it to the ip of your On-Rev-domain
> If you cannot do this directly, let your provider do this for  you.
>
> step 2. get the ip-adresses of the nameservers, which are responsible for
> your main domain.
>
> step 3. Ask the support at  support at on-rev.com to add the ip-adresses
> (from step 2)  to the file ips.remotedns.
>
> step 4. After support has added the ip-addresses to the file, add your
> subdomain  to your on-rev account. But you have to add it as an
> addon-domain.
>
> That?s it.
>
> HTH,
>
> Matthias
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere) (10-Jan-2010
> 19:20)
> From:    David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
> To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de
>
> > Hi can anyone advise - I've posted to the forums and emailed support a
> > couple of times, but no reply yet. I'd like to keep the main domain
> hosted
> > elsewhere for a site, and then host a subdomain at on-rev. I can't figure
> > out how to do this without transfering the whole top-level domain to
> On-Rev.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>
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From JRARICK at hpsk12.net  Sun Jan 10 16:02:42 2010
From: JRARICK at hpsk12.net (JACK RARICK)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:02:42 -0500
Subject: Version 3.5 download
Message-ID: <FE8924C1632421429E640A92A28FB878073C472F@NGC-EXCHMD-01.hpsk12.net>

I am so sorry to bother you all ...

But the computer I use to do the majority of programming just took a large crap. I am reformatting my mac-mini but cannot find any version of rev greater than 2.9 and less than 4.0! Aughh.
Does anyone know where I might be able to download 3.5??

Thanks in advance!

Jack Rarick
www.coachsvideoassistant.com

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jan 10 16:06:57 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100
Subject: Version 3.5 download
In-Reply-To: <FE8924C1632421429E640A92A28FB878073C472F@NGC-EXCHMD-01.hpsk12.net>
References: <FE8924C1632421429E640A92A28FB878073C472F@NGC-EXCHMD-01.hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <4DEC592E-E4A4-4394-BFEB-837507190A70@economy-x-talk.com>

Jack,

Ask support. If it takes them too long to reply, you can send me an e- 
mail.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 10 jan 2010, om 22:02 heeft JACK RARICK het volgende geschreven:

> I am so sorry to bother you all ...
>
> But the computer I use to do the majority of programming just took a  
> large crap. I am reformatting my mac-mini but cannot find any  
> version of rev greater than 2.9 and less than 4.0! Aughh.
> Does anyone know where I might be able to download 3.5??
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jack Rarick




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Jan 10 16:25:18 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:25:18 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <995672.96935.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <995672.96935.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A45BE.8040106@pdslabs.net>

All this discussion of arrays inspired me to create a general-purpose 
function that 'splits' table data into an array. It will handle data 
that has any number of 'lookup key' items before the final 'lookup data' 
item in each row.


Some sample data:
1,1,1,data111
1,1,2,data112
1,1,3,data113
1,2,1,data121
1,2,2,data122
1,3,1,data131
1,3,2,data132
1,3,3,data133
1,3,4,data134
2,1,1,data211
2,1,2,data212
2,2,1,data221
2,2,2,data222
2,2,3,data223
2,2,4,data224
2,2,5,data225


The code (watch for line wraps):

on mouseUp
    put table_Split(fld 2,,comma) into tArray
    -- then do things with array data
end mouseUp


function table_Split pTable, pLineDel, pItemDel
    #-------------------------------
    #   pTable = REQUIRED rows of column data, where
    #   .    all rows have the same number of columns
    #   .    cols 1 to -2 of each row are the lookup keys for the value
    #   .    col -1 of each row is the value to be looked up
    #   pLineDel = OPTIONAL non-CR line delimiter used in pTable
    #   pItemDel = OPTIONAL non-tab item delimiter used in pTable
    #-------------------------------

    local vArray -- make sure variable exists for 'do' command

    -- prep
    if pLineDel = empty then put CR into pLineDel
    if pItemDel = empty then put tab into pItemDel
    set the itemDel to pItemDel
    set the lineDel to pLineDel
    filter pTable without empty -- remove blank lines from data

    repeat for each line tLine in pTable
       -- prep key
       put "vArray[" & quote & item 1 to -2 of tLine & quote & "]" into 
tArrayElementName
       replace pItemDel with (quote & "][" & quote) in tArrayElementName
       -- store data item in array element
       do ("put last item of tLine into" && tArrayElementName)
    end repeat

    put vArray into tArray
    delete variable vArray -- so it will be empty next time through
    return tArray
end table_Split


You can set a breakpoint at the "return tArray" line to see the array in 
the script editor's variable viewer.

The things some people do for fun...  ;-)
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan 10 16:35:58 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:35:58 +0000
Subject: Re-2: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

a cname is an alias for an other domain.
That means it points directly to your on-rev domain.
e.g. shop.yourdomain.com would point directly  to yourname.on-rev.com
The same pages would be shown.

With an a-record you can use this subdomain as a real domain on the on-rev system.
You could have different folders for shop.yourdomain.com and yourname.on-rev.com
So it would be possible to show different content for each domain.

Regards,

Matthias




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere) (10-Jan-2010 22:05)
From:    David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Thanks Matthias - what is the advantage of doing this over changing a C -
> record. I have full DNS control so can do as you propose but not sure why?
> 
> 2010/1/10 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > it?s  a little complicated, but it is possible. I?ve done this already.
> >
> > step 1. create an A-record for your desired subdomain on the nameserver,
> > which is responsible
> > for the main domain and point it to the ip of your On-Rev-domain
> > If you cannot do this directly, let your provider do this for  you.
> >
> > step 2. get the ip-adresses of the nameservers, which are responsible for
> > your main domain.
> >
> > step 3. Ask the support at  support at on-rev.com to add the ip-adresses
> > (from step 2)  to the file ips.remotedns.
> >
> > step 4. After support has added the ip-addresses to the file, add your
> > subdomain  to your on-rev account. But you have to add it as an
> > addon-domain.
> >
> > That?s it.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere) (10-Jan-2010
> > 19:20)
> > From:    David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
> > To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de
> >
> > > Hi can anyone advise - I've posted to the forums and emailed support a
> > > couple of times, but no reply yet. I'd like to keep the main domain
> > hosted
> > > elsewhere for a site, and then host a subdomain at on-rev. I can't figure
> > > out how to do this without transfering the whole top-level domain to
> > On-Rev.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan 10 16:35:59 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:35:59 +0000
Subject: Version 3.5 download
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000000E0003B0F5@192.168.168.3>

Hi,


Enterprise

http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/3.5.0-gm-2/RevEnt350Full.dmg

Studio

http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/studio/3.5.0-gm-2/RevStd350Full.dmg


HTH

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Version 3.5 download (10-Jan-2010 22:10)
From:    JACK RARICK <JRARICK at hpsk12.net>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I am so sorry to bother you all ...
> 
> But the computer I use to do the majority of programming just took a large 
> crap. I am reformatting my mac-mini but cannot find any version of rev 
> greater than 2.9 and less than 4.0! Aughh.
> Does anyone know where I might be able to download 3.5??
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Jack Rarick
> www.coachsvideoassistant.com_______________________________________________
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> subscription preferences:
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> 
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 16:54:24 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:54:24 +0000
Subject: Re-2: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/10 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>

> Hi,
>
> a cname is an alias for an other domain.
> That means it points directly to your on-rev domain.
> e.g. shop.yourdomain.com would point directly  to yourname.on-rev.com
> The same pages would be shown.
>
> With an a-record you can use this subdomain as a real domain on the on-rev
> system.
> You could have different folders for shop.yourdomain.com and
> yourname.on-rev.com
> So it would be possible to show different content for each domain.
>

OK yes - but why not just set up say:

   - http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/

And then point the C name record as:

   - subdomain.mydomain.com  =>  subdomain.david.on-rev.com ?

I'd still have different folders on on-rev - but are you saying that I'd
have different root folders and that
http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/would then not ALSO point to
subdomain.david.on-rev.com ? Still a bit confused - thanks for you patience!


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Jan 10 21:00:57 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:00:57 -0800
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
Message-ID: <700AB95BD6FE448A9B9FFA2F0E0A69B9@GATEWAY>

Hi all,

Im only in SF for about half a day, but Im wondering who else is going.
Anyone?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Jan 10 22:26:21 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:26:21 -0800
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
In-Reply-To: <700AB95BD6FE448A9B9FFA2F0E0A69B9@GATEWAY>
References: <700AB95BD6FE448A9B9FFA2F0E0A69B9@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <A02A5091-341D-4CFC-B61B-D25CD457146E@mac.com>

Im going.

Bill Vlahos

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com 
 > wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Im only in SF for about half a day, but Im wondering who else is  
> going.
> Anyone?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Mon Jan 11 04:51:20 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:51:20 +0000
Subject: Re-4: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000100003B155@192.168.168.3>

Hi David,

you are right. But for me it is
easier to handle the subdomain as add-on domain
on the on-rev system. I have moved many domains already 
to on-rev and i want to keep sure not to loose the overview.

Btw.: Although cname is easier to setup, many providers prefer to set a-records instead of cnames.

Regards,

Matthias

> 
> OK yes - but why not just set up say:
> 
>    - http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/
> 
> And then point the C name record as:
> 
>    - subdomain.mydomain.com  =>  subdomain.david.on-rev.com ?
> 
> I'd still have different folders on on-rev - but are you saying that I'd
> have different root folders and that
> http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/would then not ALSO point to
> subdomain.david.on-rev.com ? Still a bit confused - thanks for you patience!
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jan 11 10:39:48 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:39:48 +0900
Subject: Cursors
Message-ID: <4B4B4644.4080305@tkf.att.ne.jp>

I made a test stack, changing the cursor to a hand when over
buttons to click. Saved as a web application, put up on the web
and it works fine. (Kinda fun!) BUT the cursor doesn't change. It
stays an arrow. Since web users expect the cursor to change when
hovering over something clickable, I am disappointed.

Can cursors not be set on web revlets?

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Jan 11 10:40:32 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:40:32 -0700
Subject: Accessing the inaccessible
In-Reply-To: <0FAB1A22-C747-4893-AAF2-AEC5ABDF688F@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100109014357.DDCDE2882D7@mail.runrev.com>
	<0FAB1A22-C747-4893-AAF2-AEC5ABDF688F@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <B371DC6C-95C1-447E-BED5-E09481FD55C7@byu.edu>


On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:12 AM, James Hurley wrote:

>
> James Hurley wrote:
>> RIght now I have a collection of fields arranged in a grid--5 across
>> and 31 down. They were created by script and run off the bottom of
>> the
>> screen. I would like to group them and put in a vertical scrollbar,
>> but I can't get at them to select those off the bottom of the screen.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Is it possible to select a collection of controls by
>> script and then group them?
>
> One of the great things about Rev is that if the IDE can do it you can
> do it too. :)
>
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields
>  set the selected of fld i to true
> end repeat
> group

Or you can just use the group command:

group [object list]

eg.

group fld 1 and fld 2 and fld 3 and (etc.)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 11 10:42:12 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:42:12 +0100
Subject: Cursors
In-Reply-To: <4B4B4644.4080305@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B4B4644.4080305@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <E0E0714B-09FE-455A-AB2B-793D92BFA8C3@economy-x-talk.com>

Indeed, they cannot. Let's hope it gets fixed in the first next update  
of the plug-in.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 11 jan 2010, om 16:39 heeft Tim Selander het volgende geschreven:

> I made a test stack, changing the cursor to a hand when over
> buttons to click. Saved as a web application, put up on the web
> and it works fine. (Kinda fun!) BUT the cursor doesn't change. It
> stays an arrow. Since web users expect the cursor to change when
> hovering over something clickable, I am disappointed.
>
> Can cursors not be set on web revlets?
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 11:06:23 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:06:23 -0800
Subject: Cursors
In-Reply-To: <E0E0714B-09FE-455A-AB2B-793D92BFA8C3@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4B4B4644.4080305@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<E0E0714B-09FE-455A-AB2B-793D92BFA8C3@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <27D63419-7D27-438B-A4F0-06A8506646A6@yahoo.com>

Sending javascript to the browser will tell the browser to change the  
cursor.
To the browser, a Revlet is one object that it is 'hosting' or  
displaying.
It has no knowledge of what is in side.
Remember, the browser's purpose is to display items, not communicate  
with them (such as Flash movies).  The browser can receive commands,  
but is limited to its set of functions and those of its helpers (such  
as javascript, mp3 players)

I have not done this except with CSS, which is a way of triggering  
javascript routines to change web page formatting.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Indeed, they cannot. Let's hope it gets fixed in the first next  
> update of the plug-in.
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>
> Op 11 jan 2010, om 16:39 heeft Tim Selander het volgende geschreven:
>
>> I made a test stack, changing the cursor to a hand when over
>> buttons to click. Saved as a web application, put up on the web
>> and it works fine. (Kinda fun!) BUT the cursor doesn't change. It
>> stays an arrow. Since web users expect the cursor to change when
>> hovering over something clickable, I am disappointed.
>>
>> Can cursors not be set on web revlets?
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan






From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 11 11:06:53 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:06:53 -0500
Subject: Simplistic use of data grids
In-Reply-To: <C76F56E6.DD8C%rbeynon@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <C76F56E6.DD8C%rbeynon@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8E3302A6-021B-431D-AE9F-E96DA3BA4B24@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Beynon, Rob wrote:

> I think I understand a bit about datagrids, but what I'd really like  
> is the ability to use it as a device to allow entry of data in  
> column,row format, for further processing, purely during that  
> instance of the data.

Hi Rob,

See response below.

> 1. User enters data, completing all cells in each row - this will be  
> checked for in program
> 2. User processes data via a simple button, such that...
> 3. Program performs analysis of tabulated data in datagrid
> 4. Data is volatile, and is lost when program quits

If you don't want to permanently store data in the Data Grid you can  
uncheck the "persistent data" checkbox in the General Property Pane  
for a Data Grid or you can set the property directly:

set the dgProps["persistent data"] of group "DataGrid" to false

> The reason why I like the datagrid is because it does things like  
> headers and automatic sorts very easily.
>
> However, if I create an empty datagrid, it seems as though it is not  
> possible to manually enter data. I suspect I am doing something  
> wrong with the properties (I select editable though).

A Data Grid allows users to edit existing information if it the Data  
Grid is editable. You can add records using script. This might be done  
with a "+" button somewhere in your UI. Here is a lesson that shows how.

How Do I Add A Row Of Data To An Existing Data Grid?: <http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7314-How-Do-I-Add-A-Row-Of-Data-To-An-Existing-Data-Grid- 
 >

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ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
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From john at ihouse.on-rev.com  Mon Jan 11 11:09:12 2010
From: john at ihouse.on-rev.com (Dixie)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:09:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: revweb plugin
Message-ID: <1263226152053-1011327.post@n4.nabble.com>


I remember reading something over the past few weeks about a comment made
that users should be able to install the revweb plugin in without having to
shut down all open web browsers... though, for the life of me, I can't
remember where I read this...

Does anyone know if I have been dreaming or is this really going to happen
?... installing the revweb plugin in its present form is a big 'No, no' for
most of my (read 'all') present customers...

Regards

Dixie
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 11 11:19:34 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:19:34 -0500
Subject: (Data Grid) How to get the setting of the
	dgHeaderAlignment["column"] saved 
In-Reply-To: <721DA8C8-3301-4408-A6F0-B8BC5EC2A94E@inria.fr>
References: <02D2F3E4-A2F8-4287-844B-FAEF07A30A98@inria.fr>
	<7CAEBC7D-E4DA-4F0E-9497-1F3F850615C6@mangomultimedia.com>
	<721DA8C8-3301-4408-A6F0-B8BC5EC2A94E@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <D8526770-367A-476E-B070-EDC7E315F3B7@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> But, when I do so, I get a new issue : after quitting Rev, when I  
> launch my stack again, the headers of the columns, not only are not  
> centered anymore but also some of them are even so shifted to the  
> left, that  one can't see the first characters of them; bizarre ;-)
>
> More precisely : could be useful to say that the data grid is on a  
> substack;
> Even without quitting Rev :
> - if I close the substack and re-open it the headers keeps centered
> - If I close the substack AND its main stack, then, when I re-open  
> them, I get the headers shifted to the left.
>
> Not a big problem anyway (I can set the alignment each time a card  
> opens as you suggest); but I am curious about what is happening ;-))

I'm not seeing this with a simple example I created using your  
instructions. Does a Data Grid on the mainstack work properly if  
closed and reopened? I wonder if something else might be going on in a  
script somewhere that is causing a problem.

> It was the first time I had a look at your scripts in the  
> revdatagridlibrary; very impressive; "chapeau bas" ;-))

Merci beaucoup :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 11:59:05 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:59:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <1263226152053-1011327.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the websites I see on my list. 

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html






      


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 11 12:07:44 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:07:44 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <93861.35700.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <93861.35700.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF353128-24DE-40BE-B791-677976063D99@twft.com>

Great responses on the subject of arrays. I gather then that my attempt to "trick" revolution into giving me a column of data without using repeat loops is ill fated. Since I am working with data grids, I was hoping to get a column of data without going through much trouble. 

Really, I just need to write a function that does this, or use the example provided by Phil Davis (thanks Phil.)

Bob


On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Michael Kann wrote:

> Bob, Maybe we can learn something about arrays together.



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:23:33 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:23:33 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <BF353128-24DE-40BE-B791-677976063D99@twft.com>
References: <93861.35700.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<BF353128-24DE-40BE-B791-677976063D99@twft.com>
Message-ID: <5BD8AFB7-E725-47C8-B4E7-E36B6038F916@yahoo.com>

You can use
combine
split
to work with arrays of data, but if you do speed tests, you will find  
that repeat loops + chunking are just as fast and have more power,  
such as extracting more that one column, shuffling the column order  
while gathering, reformatting, error checking, etc

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Great responses on the subject of arrays. I gather then that my  
> attempt to "trick" revolution into giving me a column of data  
> without using repeat loops is ill fated. Since I am working with  
> data grids, I was hoping to get a column of data without going  
> through much trouble.
>
> Really, I just need to write a function that does this, or use the  
> example provided by Phil Davis (thanks Phil.)
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Michael Kann wrote:
>
>> Bob, Maybe we can learn something about arrays together.
>






From film2 at handheldfilm.com  Mon Jan 11 12:43:03 2010
From: film2 at handheldfilm.com (Emmett Gray)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:43:03 -0500
Subject: Keyboard focus on opening a card
In-Reply-To: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06240817c77110b75154@[192.168.1.2]>

The manual states: "When a card is opened, Revolution automatically 
focuses the first object on the card that is capable of receiving the 
keyboard focus." I don't want this to happen, but everything I have 
tried to stop it from happening (such as setting traversalOn to false 
or turning off autoHilite or whatever) means that fields I want to be 
able to edit text in don't accept a click (so I can't use a mouseUp 
in their script to change the traversalOn property because the 
message is not sent). How can I do this (i.e. no focus on open card, 
but focus with click or tab)? This worked as desired in HC.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:57:35 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:57:35 +0000
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001110957j73c1b461p982442d4ac7c64d0@mail.gmail.com>

Just responding to myself, for the sake of anyone else who uses
Valentina 2 with libDatabase.  I am sure that most people will be
using Sql Yoga, still...

I have only been trying out the basic functionality of libDatabase,
and but that is working.  These were the issues I came across:

1) Valentina install.  I made a mistake here.  I had installed
Valentina in Rev on various versions of Linux.  When I subsequently
installed it on Windows, I only unzipped it and forgot to run
install.rev.  After I ran install.rev, the correct changes were made
to the Rev install and Valentina functionality was available within
the IDE.

2) There is a minor bug in libDatabase when it comes to getting the
column names back from Valentina (it looks like it would only be an
issue with Valentina2).  This can be fixed within the function
libdb_columnNames, by substituting this line:

put VField_Value(it) &comma after tReturn

with this line:

put VField_Name(it) &comma after tReturn

I know it's late in the day, but thanks Trevor for providing us with
such a transparent solution for working with Rev and databases.  I'm
not sure if Valentina will turn out to be what I want, or if I will go
on to use SQL Yoga in the future.  But for sheer ease of getting
started with a new db technology, libDatabase is a gem.

Bernard


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 11 12:59:00 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:59:00 -0500
Subject: valentina, externals of libdatabase
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001110957j73c1b461p982442d4ac7c64d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001071223t3c16d64xcc33c4a031a9a412@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001110957j73c1b461p982442d4ac7c64d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE61CA26-2D8B-46C6-968F-2C19EAF08AA9@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Just responding to myself, for the sake of anyone else who uses
> Valentina 2 with libDatabase.  I am sure that most people will be
> using Sql Yoga, still...
>
> ...
>
> I know it's late in the day, but thanks Trevor for providing us with
> such a transparent solution for working with Rev and databases.  I'm
> not sure if Valentina will turn out to be what I want, or if I will go
> on to use SQL Yoga in the future.  But for sheer ease of getting
> started with a new db technology, libDatabase is a gem.

Thanks for posting Bernard. Can you email me the updated lib so I can  
post it on my site?

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 13:02:50 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:02:50 -0800
Subject: Keyboard focus on opening a card
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c77110b75154@[192.168.1.2]>
References: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06240817c77110b75154@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <9A1DDE6E-F236-4A5B-A393-84A32F94E3D3@yahoo.com>

Put this in your stack script

on opencard
    select empty
    pass opencard
end opencard


On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Emmett Gray wrote:

> The manual states: "When a card is opened, Revolution automatically  
> focuses the first object on the card that is capable of receiving  
> the keyboard focus." I don't want this to happen, but everything I  
> have tried to stop it from happening (such as setting traversalOn to  
> false or turning off autoHilite or whatever) means that fields I  
> want to be able to edit text in don't accept a click (so I can't use  
> a mouseUp in their script to change the traversalOn property because  
> the message is not sent). How can I do this (i.e. no focus on open  
> card, but focus with click or tab)? This worked as desired in HC.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From john at ihouse.on-rev.com  Mon Jan 11 13:04:05 2010
From: john at ihouse.on-rev.com (Dixie)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:04:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <1263226152053-1011327.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1263233045426-1011451.post@n4.nabble.com>




Michael Kann wrote:
> 
> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on
> your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear cookies."
> They get through even when you are "private browsing" with Firefox. I
> don't remember ever giving permission to any of the websites I see on my
> list. 
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
> 
> 
> What !?
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 13:56:44 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:56:44 +0200
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>

On 11/01/2010 18:59, Michael Kann wrote:
> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the websites I see on my list.
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
>
>    

That is really quite alarming!

Is there any way of seeing those Flash cookies when ont online?


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 14:51:36 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:51:36 -0800
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B8148.4060908@comcast.net>

On the "Global Privacy Settings" you can deny access to your camera and 
microphone? Yikes - didn't know Flash could do that. Very disturbing if 
that is indeed the case.

Marty
> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the websites I see on my list. 
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
>
>   


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Mon Jan 11 15:10:37 2010
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:10:37 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <4B4A45BE.8040106@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <C770C5BD.45CD7%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 1/10/10 1:25 PM, "Phil Davis" <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> The things some people do for fun...  ;-)

... can make others want to get in on the fun, like by fixing something that
ain't broke.  Here's an elaboration on your idea that handles your sample
data more than twice as fast, primarily by avoiding the "do" for typical
cases.

Thanks for the cue, Phil.

-- Dick


<postscript_with_line_wraps>

function table_split tTable,pLineDel,pItemDel
   filter tTable without empty
   set the lineDelimiter to coalesce(pLineDel,cr)
   set the itemDelimiter to coalesce(pItemDel,tab)
   switch number of items in line 1 of tTable - 1 -- number of dimensions
      case 1
         repeat for each line tLine in tTable
            put item 2 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine]
         end repeat
         break
      case 2
         repeat for each line tLine in tTable
            put item 3 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine][item 2 of
tLine]
         end repeat
         break  
      case 3
         repeat for each line tLine in tTable
            put item 4 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine][item 2 of
tLine][item 3 of tLine]
         end repeat
         break  
      default      
         repeat for each line tLine in tTable
            do "put last item of tLine into tArray[" & replaceText(item 1 to
-2 of tLine,the itemDelimiter,"][") & "]"
         end repeat
   end switch
   return tArray 
end table_split

function coalesce -- return the first non-empty parameter
   repeat with i = 1 to the paramCount
      if param(i) is not empty then
         return param(i)
      end if   
   end repeat
end coalesce

</postscript_with_line_wraps>




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Jan 11 15:24:45 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:24:45 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <C770C5BD.45CD7%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C770C5BD.45CD7%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B890D.1010301@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Dick - I hadn't thought about handling common cases differently. 
Good idea!

Phil


On 1/11/10 12:10 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
> On 1/10/10 1:25 PM, "Phil Davis"<revdev at pdslabs.net>  wrote:
>
>    
>> The things some people do for fun...  ;-)
>>      
> ... can make others want to get in on the fun, like by fixing something that
> ain't broke.  Here's an elaboration on your idea that handles your sample
> data more than twice as fast, primarily by avoiding the "do" for typical
> cases.
>
> Thanks for the cue, Phil.
>
> -- Dick
>
>
> <postscript_with_line_wraps>
>
> function table_split tTable,pLineDel,pItemDel
>     filter tTable without empty
>     set the lineDelimiter to coalesce(pLineDel,cr)
>     set the itemDelimiter to coalesce(pItemDel,tab)
>     switch number of items in line 1 of tTable - 1 -- number of dimensions
>        case 1
>           repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>              put item 2 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine]
>           end repeat
>           break
>        case 2
>           repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>              put item 3 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine][item 2 of
> tLine]
>           end repeat
>           break
>        case 3
>           repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>              put item 4 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine][item 2 of
> tLine][item 3 of tLine]
>           end repeat
>           break
>        default
>           repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>              do "put last item of tLine into tArray["&  replaceText(item 1 to
> -2 of tLine,the itemDelimiter,"][")&  "]"
>           end repeat
>     end switch
>     return tArray
> end table_split
>
> function coalesce -- return the first non-empty parameter
>     repeat with i = 1 to the paramCount
>        if param(i) is not empty then
>           return param(i)
>        end if
>     end repeat
> end coalesce
>
> </postscript_with_line_wraps>
>
>
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Professional Software Development
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Jan 11 16:12:43 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:12:43 -1000
Subject: Detect revWeb Plugin version
Message-ID: <001701ca9302$d1859250$7490b6f0$@com>

Hello,

I know this has been discussed before, but I can't find or remember what
"the final answer" was/is.

Is there a way for a Revlet to detect what is the version of the revWeb
plugin that is installed on a user's machine? I don't mean the build number
of Rev, but the build number of the plugin itself. Also, how do we know what
is the most current shipping version of the revWeb plugin?

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 16:25:05 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:25:05 +1000
Subject: Detect revWeb Plugin version
In-Reply-To: <001701ca9302$d1859250$7490b6f0$@com>
References: <001701ca9302$d1859250$7490b6f0$@com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001111325ud8f9605w5063fda917a2a6ba@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there a way for a Revlet to detect what is the version of the revWeb
> plugin that is installed on a user's machine? I don't mean the build number
> of Rev, but the build number of the plugin itself. Also, how do we know what
> is the most current shipping version of the revWeb plugin?

Yes, "the version" and "the buildNumber" when running in a revlet will
give the details for the plugin, not for the version of Rev you have
of that was used to create the revlet. I have a revlet
<http://www.troz.net/rev/revweb.irev?revlet=System> that gives this
sort of data.

As for detecting the current version, the only way I have thought of
is to get the web page from <http://revweb.runrev.com/> and look for
the version number in the text there.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 16:25:29 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:25:29 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <4B4B890D.1010301@pdslabs.net>
References: <C770C5BD.45CD7%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4B4B890D.1010301@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <9131A72C-B70E-466A-995A-1666346ED432@yahoo.com>

One bit of shorter code would be deleting the function and using the  
two lines:

    set the lineDelimiter to char 1 of (pLineDel & cr)
    set the lineDelimiter to char 1 of (pItemDel & tab)


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Thanks Dick - I hadn't thought about handling common cases  
> differently. Good idea!
>
> Phil
>
> On 1/11/10 12:10 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>> On 1/10/10 1:25 PM, "Phil Davis"<revdev at pdslabs.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> The things some people do for fun...  ;-)
>>>
>> ... can make others want to get in on the fun, like by fixing  
>> something that
>> ain't broke.  Here's an elaboration on your idea that handles your  
>> sample
>> data more than twice as fast, primarily by avoiding the "do" for  
>> typical
>> cases.
>>
>> Thanks for the cue, Phil.
>> -- Dick
>>
>> <postscript_with_line_wraps>
>>
>> function table_split tTable,pLineDel,pItemDel
>>    filter tTable without empty
>>    set the lineDelimiter to coalesce(pLineDel,cr)
>>    set the itemDelimiter to coalesce(pItemDel,tab)
>>    switch number of items in line 1 of tTable - 1 -- number of  
>> dimensions
>>       case 1
>>          repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>>             put item 2 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine]
>>          end repeat
>>          break
>>       case 2
>>          repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>>             put item 3 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine][item 2  
>> of
>> tLine]
>>          end repeat
>>          break
>>       case 3
>>          repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>>             put item 4 of tLine into tArray[item 1 of tLine][item 2  
>> of
>> tLine][item 3 of tLine]
>>          end repeat
>>          break
>>       default
>>          repeat for each line tLine in tTable
>>             do "put last item of tLine into tArray["&   
>> replaceText(item 1 to
>> -2 of tLine,the itemDelimiter,"][")&  "]"
>>          end repeat
>>    end switch
>>    return tArray
>> end table_split
>>
>> function coalesce -- return the first non-empty parameter
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the paramCount
>>       if param(i) is not empty then
>>          return param(i)
>>       end if
>>    end repeat
>> end coalesce
>>
>> </postscript_with_line_wraps>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis






From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 11 16:54:35 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:54:35 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <9131A72C-B70E-466A-995A-1666346ED432@yahoo.com>
References: <C770C5BD.45CD7%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4B4B890D.1010301@pdslabs.net>
	<9131A72C-B70E-466A-995A-1666346ED432@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E71E7362-701B-4423-B510-8773D1C6155A@twft.com>

You guys are too white and nerdy! ;-) (reference to Wierd Al Yankovich tune)

Bob


On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> One bit of shorter code would be deleting the function and using the two lines:
> 
>   set the lineDelimiter to char 1 of (pLineDel & cr)
>   set the lineDelimiter to char 1 of (pItemDel & tab)
> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Mon Jan 11 08:58:31 2010
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:58:31 -0800
Subject: Simple Arrays
In-Reply-To: <18603BCB-2D51-4678-95DF-F576A5A46889@yahoo.com>
References: <200474.87853.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<18603BCB-2D51-4678-95DF-F576A5A46889@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0621028ac770dd0d5e2c@[192.168.1.102]>

At 9:34 AM -0800 1/10/2010, Jim Ault wrote:
>Yours is not the same syntax as the example in the docs
>
>put  1 into myArray[1,1]
>put  2 into myArray[1,2]
>put  3 into myArray[2,1]
>put  4 into myArray[2,2]
>
>But theirs does not make sense to me, since "1,1" is like "1comma1"
>or "1a1" if all keys are strings (except when they fall into a
>special category of sequential integers)


The transpose function and its documentation are both pretty ancient, 
and date from before the time when Rev had true multidimensional 
arrays. Back in the olden days (cough), that style of key was how you 
emulated multidimensional arrays, and transpose was implemented to 
make that a little easier.
-- 
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto, Transcript Language Curmudgeon
revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Jan 11 16:57:37 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:57:37 -1000
Subject: Detect revWeb Plugin version
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001111325ud8f9605w5063fda917a2a6ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001701ca9302$d1859250$7490b6f0$@com>
	<f99b52861001111325ud8f9605w5063fda917a2a6ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca9309$16f51670$44df4350$@com>

Sarah wrote:

> Yes, "the version" and "the buildNumber" when running in a revlet will
> give the details for the plugin, not for the version of Rev you have
> of that was used to create the revlet. I have a revlet
> <http://www.troz.net/rev/revweb.irev?revlet=System> that gives this
> sort of data.
> 
> As for detecting the current version, the only way I have thought of
> is to get the web page from <http://revweb.runrev.com/> and look for
> the version number in the text there.

Thanks Sarah,

I wasn't sure if the 4.0.0 build 950 was the plugin or Rev version I built
under because it just so happens I built the Revlet under Rev 4.0.0 build
950. ;-) I just checked another machine on which I hadn't updated the plugin
for a while and it showed build 920 running the same Revlet. So you are
correct. Thanks!

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Mon Jan 11 17:42:18 2010
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:42:18 +0000
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <4B4B8148.4060908@comcast.net>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B8148.4060908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B4BA94A.40901@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Oh yes, it's very sneaky,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Shared_Object

Martin Baxter

Marty Knapp wrote:
> On the "Global Privacy Settings" you can deny access to your camera and
> microphone? Yikes - didn't know Flash could do that. Very disturbing if
> that is indeed the case.
> 
> Marty
>> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored
>> on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear
>> cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with
>> Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the
>> websites I see on my list.
>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
>>
>>
>>   
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> 


-- 
In the absence of a definition, anything makes sense.


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Jan 11 18:42:53 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:42:53 +0000
Subject: Bill Marriott
Message-ID: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi all,

It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.

During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
will always remember him for his unique contribution.

His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
shortly.

Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jan 11 18:48:29 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:48:29 +0000
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:56, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 11/01/2010 18:59, Michael Kann wrote:
>> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the websites I see on my list.
>> 
>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
>> 
>>   
> 
> That is really quite alarming!
> 
> Is there any way of seeing those Flash cookies when ont online?

On OS X, they are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/

I guess they are in an equivalent location of Windows. (No access right now.) I don't know about Linux.

Cheers
Dave

From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 11 18:54:43 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:54:43 -0500
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <917D6626-E8B4-43FE-A271-19BB776BA23C@verizon.net>

Very shocking, and saddening. 




From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 18:57:18 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:57:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <825509.74544.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kevin, such harsh news. Let us know if we can help out his family in any way. 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> wrote:

> From: Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com>
> Subject: Bill Marriott
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>, "Improvements to Revolution" <improve-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:42 PM
> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill,
> our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on
> Friday. Bill was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health
> problems recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a
> position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of
> initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we
> have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes
> controversial, but usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring
> and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider
> Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his
> position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my
> brother?s young daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take
> me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about
> something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal
> service will resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com
> ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


      


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 11 19:05:40 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:05:40 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BE9C595F-7786-4E76-A929-EBD006AE973C@economy-x-talk.com>

I'm very sorry to read that Bill is no longer among us. Although I  
often disagreed with him, he was a respected member of our community  
and it will be strange without him. My sympathies are with his family.

Kevin, I wish you and your relatives all the best.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 11 19:08:47 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:47 -0600
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4B4BBD8F.3060803@hyperactivesw.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday.

I am shaken, and so sorry. Bill and I had our ups and downs but after a 
while I came to deeply respect his devotion to Rev and his unerring 
sense of what the product and the company needed. He had a keen sense 
for the right path to take and more energy for the journey than most. I 
will miss his expertise and advice.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jan 11 19:15:38 2010
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:15:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1001111613200.10636@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I met Bill at the Vegas conference where I found him direct and a little 
scary, but later discovered his sense of humor and fierce support for the 
product line and its history.  I will miss you, Bill.

And my sympathies to your family, Kevin, on your loss.

Judy

On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
>
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
> shortly.
>
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Jan 11 19:24:16 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:24:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1263255856555-1011730.post@n4.nabble.com>


Kevin,

I am sorry to hear about the Bill Marriott. He will sorely missed by the Rev
community. I am so sorry to hear about the death of your brother's younger
daughter. To lose a child is a real tragedy. I will keep the families of
Bill and your brother in my prayers.



Kevin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in
> his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems
> recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually
> he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young
> daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will
> resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 

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View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Bill-Marriott-tp1011690p1011730.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 19:34:39 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:34:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <825509.74544.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <841103.1639.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kevin, our condolences to you and your extended family on the loss of your niece. Stay strong.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Bill Marriott
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:57 PM
> Kevin, such harsh news. Let us know
> if we can help out his family in any way. 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com>
> > Subject: Bill Marriott
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>,
> "Improvements to Revolution" <improve-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:42 PM
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > It is with great sadness that I must inform you that
> Bill,
> > our Marketing
> > Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on
> > Friday. Bill was in his
> > mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of
> health
> > problems recently,
> > including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a
> > position to say much
> > more about the circumstances of his passing at the
> moment.
> > 
> > During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of
> > initiatives which in
> > part, contributed to some of the most successful
> growth we
> > have seen in
> > recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes
> > controversial, but usually he
> > was right. His strategies and campaigns were never
> boring
> > and the results
> > speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to
> consider
> > Bill a close
> > friend. In time we will be able to find someone to
> fill his
> > position but I
> > will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> > 
> > His death comes for me right after the death of my
> > brother?s young daughter
> > during the holidays, so between these events it will
> take
> > me a little time
> > to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about
> > something and not
> > received a reply I would ask that you be patient,
> normal
> > service will resume
> > shortly.
> > 
> > Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in
> peace.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com
> > ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> > RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
> manage
> > your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


      


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Jan 11 19:35:56 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:35:56 -1000
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <002501ca931f$34e829e0$9eb87da0$@com>

OMG! This reminds me of another unexpected passing, almost exactly a year to
the day. My deepest condolences to his family, friends, co-workers and all
who knew him personally.

Friendship and genius is difficult, if not impossible, to replace. It is
obvious from his correspondence that Bill was a deeply caring and
opinionated man who was a friend to many and a spearhead to numerous
initiatives at RunRev.

In the wake of such a passing, the best any of us can do is celebrate the
person and their life and be grateful and thankful for the honor and
privilege of having known and benefited from his being.

To those who are left behind, know that when one door closes, another opens,
but it's OK to glance back and remember, and maybe even shed a tear.

Aloha nui loa, Bill. You will live on in the hearts and minds of all those
you touched.
 

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Miller
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: How to use Revolution; Improvements to Revolution
> Subject: Bill Marriott
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our
> Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was
> in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems
> recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say
> much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which
> in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but
> usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the
> results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position
> but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young
> daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little
> time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will
> resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Mon Jan 11 19:41:53 2010
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:41:53 -0500
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DC27F026-5018-4A9C-A2F8-AEABD7547E44@rpsystems.net>


On Jan 11, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
> was right.

This about matches my evaluation.

He'll be missed.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 11 19:59:49 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:59:49 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C178AE2D-CEAE-4F6B-A5E1-10DCEC7EE34B@twft.com>

So very sorry for your loss. May we all take a moment and remember how much the work and passions of others help us in our everyday lives, and be thankful for every day, and every friend given us. 

Bob


On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Jan 11 20:07:47 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:47 -0500
Subject: Version 3.5 download
Message-ID: <A9B7D844-E642-4B6F-87FA-F0FE37AB735E@wehostmacs.com>

Mac OS X
http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/studio/3.5.0-gm-2/RevStd350Full.zip
http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/3.5.0-gm-2/RevEnt350Full.dmg

Windows
http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/studio/3.5.0-gm-2/RevStd350Full.exe
http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/3.5.0-gm-2/RevEnt350Full.exe


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Jan 11 20:20:01 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:20:01 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C178AE2D-CEAE-4F6B-A5E1-10DCEC7EE34B@twft.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
	<C178AE2D-CEAE-4F6B-A5E1-10DCEC7EE34B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4B4BCE41.2000704@pdslabs.net>

On 1/11/10 4:59 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> So very sorry for your loss. May we all take a moment and remember how much the work and passions of others help us in our everyday lives, and be thankful for every day, and every friend given us.
>
> Bob
>    

I say "amen" to Bob's comment. I believe we will all miss Bill's 
considerable contribution to our greater joy with Rev (and often the 
improvement of our work lives) through his work improving it.

Phil

>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
>> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
>> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
>> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
>> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>>
>> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
>> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
>> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
>> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
>> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
>> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
>> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
>>
>> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
>> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
>> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
>> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
>> shortly.
>>
>> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>>      

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon Jan 11 22:00:27 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:00:27 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FAE9BD30-B0AF-4356-911F-D8BEDA129395@mac.com>

Keven,

How sad regarding both Bill and your niece.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
> Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill  
> was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems  
> recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to  
> say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives  
> which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have  
> seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but  
> usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the  
> results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his  
> position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
>
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young  
> daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a  
> little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service  
> will resume
> shortly.
>
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From david_beck at rotundasoftware.com  Mon Jan 11 12:19:50 2010
From: david_beck at rotundasoftware.com (David Beck)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:19:50 -0800
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
In-Reply-To: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B5DB6.3020106@rotundasoftware.com>

I'm going as well. I'd be happy to meet up.

On 1/11/2010 8:19 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

Hi all,

Im only in SF for about half a day, but Im wondering who else is going.
Anyone?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 11 22:06:24 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B369490B-9C24-44C9-9050-903096505E45@mac.com>

I am stunned by this news. Very sad to say the least.

Bill helped me out most recently with the Simulcasts and made me feel  
very comfortable 'like I belonged' in them. I will remember him always  
as:

"Bill, RunRev marketing guy "

I really like him especially since he wasn't afraid to jump in on some  
of our more serious rant parties and offer his insights.

Will miss you Bill.....

P.S. Kevin, so sorry about your niece. My thoughts are with you and  
your family.

Love you guys...

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jan 11, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
> Marketing Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on  
> Friday. Bill was in his mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a  
> number of health problems recently, including a heart attack.  
> Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much more about the  
> circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives  
> which in part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we  
> have seen in recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes  
> controversial, but usually he was right. His strategies and  
> campaigns were never boring and the results speak for themselves.  
> Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close friend. In time we  
> will be able to find someone to fill his position but I will always  
> remember him for his unique contribution.
>
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young  
> daughter during the holidays, so between these events it will take  
> me a little time to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about  
> something and not received a reply I would ask that you be patient,  
> normal service will resume shortly.
>
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> _______________________________________________
> improve-revolution mailing list
> improve-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/improve-revolution



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 11 22:10:27 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:10:27 -0500
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
In-Reply-To: <4B4B5DB6.3020106@rotundasoftware.com>
References: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com>
	<4B4B5DB6.3020106@rotundasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <3ADDEC60-066C-4952-BD1C-D2F834B769D9@mac.com>

I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be going to  
McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is expected to double in  
size as my dear friend Ron says he will be attending after all this  
year.

Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:19 PM, David Beck wrote:

> I'm going as well. I'd be happy to meet up.
>
> On 1/11/2010 8:19 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Im only in SF for about half a day, but Im wondering who else is  
> going.
> Anyone?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 00:58:35 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:58:35 -0800
Subject: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
Message-ID: <DBF1EF38-7974-40FB-AB62-23FCF9C33D4F@mac.com>

I issue a "get URL "http://..." command to load a very small file from the web page. This usually behaves well and loads instantly even on slow network connections because the http file. If there is good a good network connection to the Internet it gets the download. If there isn't a connection at all it downloads nothing and errors out well and if usually notifies the user very quickly.

However, I sometimes the Internet connection is either extremely slow or otherwise problematic. In this case nothing appears to be happening until the statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for it to time out takes a long time to the user and I want to give them a chance to cancel it.

The Rev docs suggest using the "load" command instead.  The Rev docs state that "get URL" commands are blocking. The handler pauses until Rev is finished accessing the URL. I would like to present a "Cancel download" button to the user in the event it is taking too long. How do I configure this?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important details of my life.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jan 12 01:05:33 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:05:33 -0700
Subject: weird option menu buttons in revlets
Message-ID: <6E40CF32-E1EC-41D9-ADC9-1CE4ACF8DAF9@byu.edu>

Has anyone else seen this?

When I click on option menu buttons in revlets, the list of options  
appears far above and and completely separate from the button on the  
screen. It still works but it's very bizarre.

is this a known issue?

Mac OS X 10.5, Safari 4

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jan 12 01:14:31 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:14:31 -0800
Subject: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
In-Reply-To: <DBF1EF38-7974-40FB-AB62-23FCF9C33D4F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C7715347.47079%scott@tactilemedia.com>

In some of my stacks, I use "loadURL <URL>" to download a stack, and "unload
url <URL>" to cancel an active download.  I believe this will still work if
the download hangs.  I also use an animated indicator (to show things are
active during the download) which is stopped as soon as a download is
canceled or completed.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I issue a "get URL "http://..." command to load a very small file from the web
> page. This usually behaves well and loads instantly even on slow network
> connections because the http file. If there is good a good network connection
> to the Internet it gets the download. If there isn't a connection at all it
> downloads nothing and errors out well and if usually notifies the user very
> quickly.
> 
> However, I sometimes the Internet connection is either extremely slow or
> otherwise problematic. In this case nothing appears to be happening until the
> statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for it to time out takes a long
> time to the user and I want to give them a chance to cancel it.
> 
> The Rev docs suggest using the "load" command instead.  The Rev docs state
> that "get URL" commands are blocking. The handler pauses until Rev is finished
> accessing the URL. I would like to present a "Cancel download" button to the
> user in the event it is taking too long. How do I configure this?






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 12 01:16:14 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:16:14 -0600
Subject: weird option menu buttons in revlets
In-Reply-To: <6E40CF32-E1EC-41D9-ADC9-1CE4ACF8DAF9@byu.edu>
References: <6E40CF32-E1EC-41D9-ADC9-1CE4ACF8DAF9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4B4C13AE.6020901@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
> Has anyone else seen this?
> 
> When I click on option menu buttons in revlets, the list of options 
> appears far above and and completely separate from the button on the 
> screen. It still works but it's very bizarre.
> 
> is this a known issue?

I don't know, but I found the exact same bug in HyperCard 15 years 
ago...I don't suppose that helps.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Jan 12 01:43:03 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:43:03 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <874D3003-0708-433D-852E-41DCCF983923@skynet.be>


Le 12 janv. 10 ? 00:42, Kevin Miller a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
> Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill  
> was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems  
> recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say  
> much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>
>



Kevin,

It makes me reminder the same sudden event with Eric previous year
I'm very sorry
I wish you all the best.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 01:46:07 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:46:07 +0200
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <917D6626-E8B4-43FE-A271-19BB776BA23C@verizon.net>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
	<917D6626-E8B4-43FE-A271-19BB776BA23C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B4C1AAF.90801@gmail.com>

I met Bill at the Edinburgh conference.

I am saddened at his death and can only
hope that his family are bearing up. He
was a fine chap who will be sorely missed.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Jan 12 02:08:55 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim sims)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:08:55 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <4B4C1AAF.90801@gmail.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
	<917D6626-E8B4-43FE-A271-19BB776BA23C@verizon.net>
	<4B4C1AAF.90801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6fa9f4a1001112308l3bcc062h84866eafc22ea7f0@mail.gmail.com>

Very, very tragic, difficult news. I am also reminded of others who
also have enriched our lives and are now gone, like Eric.  Bill had
power and vision and we shall miss him in many ways.

Enjoy life, cherish friends, and seek balance.

sims

On 1/12/10, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I met Bill at the Edinburgh conference.
>
> I am saddened at his death and can only
> hope that his family are bearing up. He
> was a fine chap who will be sorely missed.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 02:27:57 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:57 -0800
Subject: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
In-Reply-To: <C7715347.47079%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C7715347.47079%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <40232FA8-3C63-4AD0-96BF-B6CEA188BC3B@mac.com>

Scott,

Perfect. Thank you.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> In some of my stacks, I use "loadURL <URL>" to download a stack, and "unload
> url <URL>" to cancel an active download.  I believe this will still work if
> the download hangs.  I also use an animated indicator (to show things are
> active during the download) which is stopped as soon as a download is
> canceled or completed.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
> Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
>> I issue a "get URL "http://..." command to load a very small file from the web
>> page. This usually behaves well and loads instantly even on slow network
>> connections because the http file. If there is good a good network connection
>> to the Internet it gets the download. If there isn't a connection at all it
>> downloads nothing and errors out well and if usually notifies the user very
>> quickly.
>> 
>> However, I sometimes the Internet connection is either extremely slow or
>> otherwise problematic. In this case nothing appears to be happening until the
>> statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for it to time out takes a long
>> time to the user and I want to give them a chance to cancel it.
>> 
>> The Rev docs suggest using the "load" command instead.  The Rev docs state
>> that "get URL" commands are blocking. The handler pauses until Rev is finished
>> accessing the URL. I would like to present a "Cancel download" button to the
>> user in the event it is taking too long. How do I configure this?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 03:26:30 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:26:30 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001120026i19f11062h82fea2c57d7763a2@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/12 Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday.

Even if I'm joining the list recently and I never had any contact with
Bill, losing a family member, friend or colleague is always a tragedy
for everyone.

At this moment, all my thoughts are with his family, colleagues and friends.

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan 12 04:21:46 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:21:46 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <f6fa9f4a1001112308l3bcc062h84866eafc22ea7f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
	<917D6626-E8B4-43FE-A271-19BB776BA23C@verizon.net>
	<4B4C1AAF.90801@gmail.com>
	<f6fa9f4a1001112308l3bcc062h84866eafc22ea7f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F4E0B7E-ED69-4DC2-AE31-A70134B861F8@unil.ch>

Very, very sad - I did not know Bill personally - not more than I did know Eric one year ago - but both were of this quality of people who made the RunRev community something so much alive, so attractive and so friendly.
Children do that - and far more - for a family, and to lose a kid seems the worse kind of injustice one may suffer. Kevin, I'm with you and your family.

Jacques
******************************************
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Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Jan 12 04:24:37 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:24:37 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <ACABA605-C794-4D91-8892-754060A685F7@numericable.com>

All my sympathies are with his family and friends
Ren?

Le 12 janv. 2010 ? 00:42, Kevin Miller a ?crit :

> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From psahores at free.fr  Tue Jan 12 04:25:13 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:25:13 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C4334866-9420-4605-B791-B02221DDAE70@free.fr>

Kevin,

Eric, Bill... I'did'nt meet Bill ever but Eric went a friend before...  
It's always so difficult to accept to see how, sometimes, the life  
goes for the most independant and creative of us...
Love is in you, Kevin and your niece knowed certainly that too. All my  
attentions to your brother and family

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 12 janv. 10 ? 00:42, Kevin Miller a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
> Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill  
> was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems  
> recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say  
> much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives  
> which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen  
> in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but  
> usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the  
> results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position  
> but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
>
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young  
> daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a  
> little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service  
> will resume
> shortly.
>
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 04:47:29 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:47:29 +0000
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001120147l596db128j12e8018fab9eb140@mail.gmail.com>

There is a FlashBlock extension for Firefox which prevents Flash
loading on a page automatically.  I use it on my netbook - largely
because I don't want Flash using up the restricted amount of RAM and
processor on that computer.

Looks to me that it might well be worth using it routinely.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433

Bernard

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is really quite alarming!
>
> Is there any way of seeing those Flash cookies when ont online?


From wow at together.net  Tue Jan 12 05:51:59 2010
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:59 -0500
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C4334866-9420-4605-B791-B02221DDAE70@free.fr>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
	<C4334866-9420-4605-B791-B02221DDAE70@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4B4C544F.1010700@together.net>

Kevin,

So sorry to hear of your loss. These moments are certainly trying.

How inspiring it is to experience such an outpouring of sincere emotion 
from this community of supporters you have created... like a large, 
extended family. Revolution is far more than just another product. This 
community surely reflects the richness of your inner world, Kevin.... 
and that of others, like Bill. How marvelous. Perhaps you can find some 
comfort in that.

Kind regards,
Richard Miller


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Jan 12 07:49:26 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:49:26 +0000
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <4B4C544F.1010700@together.net>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>	<C4334866-9420-4605-B791-B02221DDAE70@free.fr>
	<4B4C544F.1010700@together.net>
Message-ID: <4B4C6FD6.5050803@ekoinf.net>

shocked... it is hard to believe... Kevin, sorry for your loss. My 
condolences to your and Bill's families.

Viktoras


From bvg at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 07:54:22 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:54:22 +0100
Subject: ChatRev up again
Message-ID: <286A7AE8-8A84-4063-89DA-09A08DD1C6A6@mac.com>

Hi

Unfortunately, my router crashed today and I didn't realise it for three hours. I am sorry if you wanted to chat. After rebooting the box, Chatrev works as previous. This was the longest downtime in the last 5 Years, and I apologise.

have fun
Bj?rnke


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 08:07:00 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:07:00 +0200
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
	<8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4B4C73F4.9040901@gmail.com>

On 12/01/2010 01:48, Dave Cragg wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:56, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>    
>> On 11/01/2010 18:59, Michael Kann wrote:
>>      
>>> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the websites I see on my list.
>>>
>>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> That is really quite alarming!
>>
>> Is there any way of seeing those Flash cookies when ont online?
>>      
> On OS X, they are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/
>
> I guess they are in an equivalent location of Windows. (No access right now.) I don't know about Linux.
>
>    

It gets even worse!

Yesterday I went to

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html

as instructed, and deleted a flash cookie called 'susan-boyle.com' (err, 
all a bit embarrassing).

Today, had a look in the folders in

~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/

and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .

so, obviously, at least as far as Mac are concerned, the online Settings 
Manager
is worse than useless; it is positively misleading.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 08:13:00 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:13:00 +0200
Subject: Flash cookies - Dig them out.
In-Reply-To: <8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
	<8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4B4C755C.5050109@gmail.com>

Here we are:

Windows XP:

For Web sites: %APPDATA%\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\<random 
code>\<domain>\<path - maybe?>\<object name>.sol

For AIR Applications: %APPDATA%\<AIR Application Reverse Domain 
Name>\Local Store\#SharedObjects\<flash filename>.swf\<object name>.sol

Windows Vista and later:

For Web sites: %APPDATA%\Roaming\Macromedia\Flash 
Player\#SharedObjects\<random code>\<domain>\<path - maybe?>\<object 
name>.sol

For AIR Applications: unknown, likely similar to the above

Mac OS X:

For Web sites: ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash 
Player/#SharedObjects/<random code>/<domain>/<path - maybe?>/<object 
name>.sol and ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash 
Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/<object name>.sol

For AIR Applications: ~/Library/Preferences/<AIR Application Name>/Local 
Store/#SharedObjects/<flash filename>.swf/<object name>.sol

Linux/Unix:
~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects/<random id>/<domain>/<path - 
maybe?>/<flash filename>.swf/<object name>.sol

? - Flash player can save the file in any path specified by the SWF 
developer, relative to the current domain.


courtesy of Wikipedia

Frankly I would check these pathways as Wikipedia is 'sometimes' wrong . 
. .  :)


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 12 08:31:40 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:31:40 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott - flowers and donation to Diabetes research
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4B4C79BC.9010902@fourthworld.com>

The news of Bill's passing came as a sad shock to me as it was for all 
of us.  I've met him in person only once, at RevCon Vegas where we 
enjoyed a drink together under the desert stars at Red Rock Canyon, but 
had spoken with him on the phone and corresponded with him many times 
over the years.

He's been enormously helpful to me personally, and as Kevin noted his 
contributions to the Rev community speak for themselves.  His energy and 
enthusiasm showed him so full of life that I had expected to see him 
continue his good work for many years to come.

Yes, he expressed his opinions strongly, both before he joined RunRev 
and during his tenure there.  I liked that about him:  his candor was 
refreshing; I never had to guess where he was coming from. I used to 
take exception to some of his ideas, but over time I came to appreciate 
that he had a long experience in this industry to back it up, and his 
love of Rev was in earnest, passionately so.  I learned a lot from him.

It's very rare to find someone who can not only market a complex product 
like Rev, but can do so as effectively by knowing it intimately from 
having scripted in it for many years.  He had a unique insight into the 
mind of the Rev customer by having been one himself.  He will be missed 
here, and his work will be missed by all of us.


I'll be sending flowers to his memorial service on behalf of the Rev 
Developer Community, and making a modest donation to the American 
Diabetes Association in his name.

If any of you would like to make a contribution to that please contact 
me offlist and we'll make arrangements to pool our donations.

If you'd like to donate directly to the American Diabetes Association 
you can do so here:
<http://www.diabetes.org/how-to-give/ways-to-donate-give/>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 08:31:55 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:31:55 +0000
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001120531x7ea43fbakb31cc40b9c180d7b@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin, sad, sad news. My thoughts are with you, your family and Bills
friends and family in these difficult times.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 12 08:38:59 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:38:59 -0800
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
Message-ID: <4B4C7B73.6030509@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be going to
> McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is expected to double in
> size as my dear friend Ron says he will be attending after all this
> year.
>
> Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.

Now THERE's a conference I'd like to attend. :)

It's been great to watch your work progress over the years, and I hope 
you have the opportunity to host many McGrathWorld conferences around 
the world over the coming years.

Put me on the mailing list when you expand to add a west coast venue. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 09:47:16 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:47:16 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <4B4C6FD6.5050803@ekoinf.net>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>	<C4334866-9420-4605-B791-B02221DDAE70@free.fr>
	<4B4C544F.1010700@together.net> <4B4C6FD6.5050803@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <A30A682A-9AF2-4A2B-9C4D-87A59103FDA0@yahoo.com>

My condolences.
This is the second year that started with optimism but has been  
clouded with sad news.
Such a champion of the RunRev products and company, Bill will be  
missed in the many corners of the on-going marketing efforts by the  
team.  We all benefit is so many ways that are invisible to us.

Thank you for using your talents and skills to make all our lives a  
little richer.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 09:50:20 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:50:20 -0800
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7B73.6030509@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B4C7B73.6030509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <045F348E-955A-415B-A57D-6588B4736E68@yahoo.com>

On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be going  
>> to
>> McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is expected to double in
>> size as my dear friend Ron says he will be attending after all this
>> year.
>>
>> Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.
>
> Now THERE's a conference I'd like to attend. :)
>
> It's been great to watch your work progress over the years, and I  
> hope you have the opportunity to host many McGrathWorld conferences  
> around the world over the coming years.
>
> Put me on the mailing list when you expand to add a west coast  
> venue. :)
>

Just let us know the UStream broadcast channel and the best times to  
tune in.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 12 09:51:02 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:51:02 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
Message-ID: <4B4C8C56.8090001@fourthworld.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info on
> Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to
> work out the Linux side soon.
>
> Richard, have you tried blkid?
>
> http://linux.die.net/man/8/blkid

Thanks.  Do you know offhand if this is part of the default install for 
many distros?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Tue Jan 12 09:56:57 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:56:57 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <A30A682A-9AF2-4A2B-9C4D-87A59103FDA0@yahoo.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>	<C4334866-9420-4605-B791-B02221DDAE70@free.fr>
	<4B4C544F.1010700@together.net> <4B4C6FD6.5050803@ekoinf.net>
	<A30A682A-9AF2-4A2B-9C4D-87A59103FDA0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F9A16904-5B9C-43AF-A4CF-BCEBB643B733@cruzio.com>

I didn't know Bill but always enjoyed reading his well-thought ideas and opinions.  His passion and insight will be missed.  

And Kevin, I'm so sorry to hear of your niece's passing.  The loss of a child is beyond tragic.

Most sincerely,
Mark

From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Jan 12 09:57:39 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:57:39 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
Message-ID: <p06240802c7723e331c10@[192.168.1.94]>

What's a shock... Joining all in grief...

Robert


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Jan 12 10:34:06 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0500
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BCE632BF-E926-43FF-996F-422F51305C22@all-auctions.com>


I was saddened at the news of Bill's passing.  My condolences to the 
family, Kevin, the RunRev team, and anyone who ever knew Bill well. 

Rick Harrison


On Jan 11, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution





From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Jan 12 10:40:38 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:40:38 -0600
Subject: Serial Port Woes
Message-ID: <4B4C97F6.7000107@crcom.net>

I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.  I'm 
trying to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the basic 
idea is to send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then wait for an 
answer (about 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and 1/2 second delay 
from when I send the command and the controller STARTS sending it back.

I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either text 
or binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command, then close 
the port and reopen it for read to get anything at all.

I've tried "until linefeed", "until empty", "until eof", "for 1 line", 
etc. and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a response 
ends with a CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 "line" in a response so 
if I could just wait until I got the LF and it happened in say 3 seconds 
or less, I'd be happy.

Any suggestions??

len morgan


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Jan 12 10:46:06 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:46:06 -0800
Subject: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?
In-Reply-To: <3ADDEC60-066C-4952-BD1C-D2F834B769D9@mac.com>
References: <20100111161939.65DBA288154@mail.runrev.com><4B4B5DB6.3020106@rotundasoftware.com>
	<3ADDEC60-066C-4952-BD1C-D2F834B769D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5C42AB00FAB848F99EA633FFEB6F14E4@GATEWAY>

> I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be 
> going to McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is 
> expected to double in size as my dear friend Ron says he will 
> be attending after all this year.
> 
> Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.

I have a feeling I would much prefer the beer and barbeque at McGrathWorld
than at MacWorld ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jan 12 11:24:32 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:24:32 -0800
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <4B4C73F4.9040901@gmail.com>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
	<8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4B4C73F4.9040901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60450254296.20100112082432@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07:00 AM, you wrote:

> Today, had a look in the folders in

> ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/

> and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .

...old hack, but still quite useful...

Rename the "Flash Player" folder to "Flash Playerx"
In the Macromedia folder reate a *text* document named "Flash Player"

Flash Player is now no longer able to store anything into the
non-existent folder and is not able to create the folder since a file
of that name already exists. It fails gracefully and moves on.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jan 12 11:38:03 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:38:03 -0700
Subject: weird option menu buttons in revlets
In-Reply-To: <4B4C13AE.6020901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6E40CF32-E1EC-41D9-ADC9-1CE4ACF8DAF9@byu.edu>
	<4B4C13AE.6020901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A8AA194A-1D95-4BBC-9E61-3A7CF80540E4@byu.edu>


On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>> Has anyone else seen this?
>>
>> When I click on option menu buttons in revlets, the list of options
>> appears far above and and completely separate from the button on the
>> screen. It still works but it's very bizarre.
>>
>> is this a known issue?
>
> I don't know, but I found the exact same bug in HyperCard 15 years
> ago...I don't suppose that helps.

Ah, the old HyperCard-wannabe bug. That's very helpful, Jacque.

I notice that it only happens in Safari, not FF. Can't check it in  
Windows right now because my Windows test machine died. Can anyone  
check it out? I'll post a bug report if needed.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 11:39:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:39:16 +0200
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <60450254296.20100112082432@ahsoftware.net>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>	<8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4B4C73F4.9040901@gmail.com>
	<60450254296.20100112082432@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B4CA5B4.60809@gmail.com>

On 12/01/2010 18:24, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07:00 AM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> Today, had a look in the folders in
>>      
>    
>> ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/
>>      
>    
>> and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .
>>      
> ...old hack, but still quite useful...
>    

Does that refer to the following, or to me? . . .  :)

> Rename the "Flash Player" folder to "Flash Playerx"
> In the Macromedia folder reate a *text* document named "Flash Player"
>
> Flash Player is now no longer able to store anything into the
> non-existent folder and is not able to create the folder since a file
> of that name already exists. It fails gracefully and moves on.
>
>    

Thanks for such a great tip.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jan 12 11:59:21 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:59:21 -0800
Subject: Windows system recovery
In-Reply-To: <A8AA194A-1D95-4BBC-9E61-3A7CF80540E4@byu.edu>
References: <6E40CF32-E1EC-41D9-ADC9-1CE4ACF8DAF9@byu.edu>
	<4B4C13AE.6020901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A8AA194A-1D95-4BBC-9E61-3A7CF80540E4@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <147452343625.20100112085921@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 8:38:03 AM, you wrote:

> Windows right now because my Windows test machine died. Can anyone

Seems to be a lot of that going around lately.
Here's my Best Windows Tip Ever from the writeup I sent to a friend
the other day:

Lars has written two excellent tools: ERUNT and NTREGOPT. I have them
both installed. ERUNT is the sort of thing you want to install and
then never have to think about again until your computer goes
belly-up. This is what the Windows "Last Good Configuration" boot-up
option is supposed to do, but never does...

> Wanna try attacking one of my problems, then?

Better than that. Lemme solve one before it happens:

http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

I installed ERUNT a few months ago and then forgot about it. I had a
registry crash on my main Windows computer last weekend and I've been
hobbling along with a semi-working computer since then trying to piece
things back together again. If I had remembered that I had ERUNT
installed I could have saved myself days of work. Now I'm just stuck
with repairing the damage I did trying to do things myself.

It archives snapshots of your registry that you can then go back to
later on, does it in the background, lets you restore the system
and/or user registries separately, and seems to work with all NT-based
Windows systems including Win7. I'm installing this onto every
computer I see.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Jan 12 12:06:04 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:06:04 +0000
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <BCE632BF-E926-43FF-996F-422F51305C22@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <C7725C7C.9FAC%kevin@runrev.com>

Thanks to all for the kind words of support. It means so much to me and all
those affected.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Tue Jan 12 12:09:26 2010
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:09:26 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000101ca93a9$ff45c8c0$fdd15a40$@girard@laposte.net>


Toute mes condol?ances ? sa famille et ses proches

Damien

-----Message d'origine-----
De?: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Kevin Miller
Envoy??: mardi 12 janvier 2010 00:43
??: How to use Revolution; Improvements to Revolution
Objet?: Bill Marriott


Hi all,

It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.

During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
will always remember him for his unique contribution.

His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
shortly.

Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 12 12:19:05 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:19:05 -0800
Subject: DG: alternateRowColor
Message-ID: <4B4CAF09.70708@fourthworld.com>

I need to set the background and alternate row colors in my DG to custom 
values, but when I edit the props for those I get the background color 
applied only to the alternate rows with the alternate row color showing 
correctly within its bounds, while the background of all odd-numbered 
rows shows white.

What am I missing?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jan 12 12:55:31 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:55:31 -0500
Subject: DG: alternateRowColor
In-Reply-To: <4B4CAF09.70708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B4CAF09.70708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1B4F04F0-C922-44EF-8A05-F2941BDA8BAC@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I need to set the background and alternate row colors in my DG to  
> custom values, but when I edit the props for those I get the  
> background color applied only to the alternate rows with the  
> alternate row color showing correctly within its bounds, while the  
> background of all odd-numbered rows shows white.

Hi Richard,

Background color is different then the row color. Try this:

set the dgProps["row color"] of group 1 to "red"
set the dgProps["alternate row color"] of group 1 to "green"

You should have alternating red/green lines.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 12 13:01:46 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:01:46 -0800
Subject: DG: alternateRowColor
Message-ID: <4B4CB90A.7070806@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> I need to set the background and alternate row colors in my DG to
>> custom values, but when I edit the props for those I get the
>> background color applied only to the alternate rows with the
>> alternate row color showing correctly within its bounds, while the
>> background of all odd-numbered rows shows white.
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Background color is different then the row color. Try this:
>
> set the dgProps["row color"] of group 1 to "red"
> set the dgProps["alternate row color"] of group 1 to "green"
>
> You should have alternating red/green lines.

Ah yes! I see rowColor right there in my property sheet, but overlooked 
it before.

Perfect - thanks!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jan 12 13:10:03 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:10:03 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <40868FB7-9F89-48A0-A714-EEB5A51AB62B@pacifier.com>

Sorry to hear the sad news about Bill Marriot and the death of
your niece Kevin.  Best wishes to everyone.

It is a good time to remember we are all here for a limited amount
of time.

If it helps I know for a fact their life does not end with the death of
the human body.

-=>JB<=-



On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
> Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill  
> was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems  
> recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to  
> say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
>
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives  
> which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have  
> seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but  
> usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the  
> results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his  
> position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
>
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young  
> daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a  
> little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service  
> will resume
> shortly.
>
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jan 12 13:26:24 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:26:24 -0800
Subject: Serial Port Woes
In-Reply-To: <4B4C97F6.7000107@crcom.net>
References: <4B4C97F6.7000107@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <9E308E47-5DA3-436B-848A-6510223E40FF@pacifier.com>

I was working on a serial port stack but have been prevented from  
programming
on it for over a year now due to being poisoned and tormented in my  
own home
by a communist nazi like secret society destroying select lives in  
America.

It is unfinished but it does some basic calls.  If you are interested  
I will put it on
the Rev site and allow anyone to use or improve it.

-=>JB<=-


On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

> I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.   
> I'm trying to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the  
> basic idea is to send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then  
> wait for an answer (about 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and  
> 1/2 second delay from when I send the command and the controller  
> STARTS sending it back.
>
> I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either  
> text or binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command,  
> then close the port and reopen it for read to get anything at all.
>
> I've tried "until linefeed", "until empty", "until eof", "for 1  
> line", etc. and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a  
> response ends with a CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 "line" in a  
> response so if I could just wait until I got the LF and it happened  
> in say 3 seconds or less, I'd be happy.
>
> Any suggestions??
>
> len morgan
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Jan 12 13:32:18 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:32:18 -0800
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C77167FD.9F13%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8D848B73-8751-4F72-BC25-5D6FBCC46154@dvcreators.net>

My sincerest condolences for your niece and Bill and strength to you in difficult times.

Best,
Josh

On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
> Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
> mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
> including a heart attack. Unfortunately I?m not in a position to say much
> more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
> 
> During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
> part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
> recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
> was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
> speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
> friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
> will always remember him for his unique contribution.
> 
> His death comes for me right after the death of my brother?s young daughter
> during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
> to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
> received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
> shortly.
> 
> Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From sniderl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:04:09 2010
From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:04:09 -0500
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
In-Reply-To: <4B4C8C56.8090001@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B4C8C56.8090001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1001121204h1dd89b47n1ffc01747eecccf0@mail.gmail.com>

I can confirm that blkid, which is part of the e2fsprogs package, is
part of the following distributions:

CentOS release 5 (Final)
CentOS release 5.3 (Final)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 4)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 (Nahant Update 7)

If blkid is installed on CentOS and Redhat Enterprise Linux then more
than likely it is on Fedora as well.

You can find which distributions have the RPM/package available by
checking RPMFind.net.

http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=blkid&submit=Search+...&system=&arch=


Larry



On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>
>> Extra bonus points: ?what shell calls would I use to get this info on
>> Linux? ?I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to
>> work out the Linux side soon.
>>
>> Richard, have you tried blkid?
>>
>> http://linux.die.net/man/8/blkid
>
> Thanks. ?Do you know offhand if this is part of the default install for many
> distros?
>
> --
> ?Richard Gaskin
> ?Fourth World
> ?Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> ?Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> ?revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Jan 12 15:44:33 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:44:33 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Scratch Pad, Minimize, Multiple Instances for tRev
Message-ID: <6449A5E6-6336-4B34-9197-B50F061343E5@me.com>

Friends,

Amidst the cheer of the holidays, the MegaBundle and other goings-on,  
friend Bill Marriott passed away after Robin Miller lost his daughter.  
MJ and I are deeply saddened by these losses to our community and to  
the Miller family. I trust and hope their prayers will all be heard.

Bill loved passionately all aspects of the software  
lifecycle...development, design, marketing. We're dedicating this  
version of tRev to him.

We just completed our most sweeping series of changes to tRev. Much of  
this is beneath the covers. Let's start with what you can see. We now  
have a way for you to keep track of the handlers on which you're  
working. It's called the Scratch Pad.

The Scratch Pad is simply a list of links to your favorite handlers.
- It persists from session-to-session.
- It is there whether in code editor or object browser mode.
- It can be edited in-situ or through its own editor.

There's a nice slide show and a video of the Scratch Pad in action:

     http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers

tRev is No Longer a Palette

I've made tRev's window into a standard window--it was a palette. Now  
you can minimize, maximize, close...all in very standard ways across  
both platforms. On Windows, when you iconify or uniconify Revolution  
IDE, tRev iconizes or uniconizes right along with it.

Basic Architectural Revamp

I've also redone the tRev application itself and its file architecture  
so that...
- You can run multiple instances of tRev/Rev pairs (up to 100).
- There is now only one components folder.
- Least-used ports are employed during our inter-app communication.

Proxy Support

I've also added support for HTTP proxy servers in the prefs and  
whenever you encounter connection problems.

That's about it.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

http://reveditor.com
Want to edit something? We can help!


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jan 12 15:57:31 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:57:31 -0500
Subject: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin
Message-ID: <6F7215AD-55F3-4FCD-A30D-F3FBE22607AC@mangomultimedia.com>

Version 1.0.1 of the SQL Yoga library is now available for download  
from our site. This version includes a few new features, some bug  
fixes and a new plugin.

You can learn more at the following url:

http://bit.ly/6bXMiJ

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Jan 12 16:23:55 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:23:55 -1000
Subject: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin
In-Reply-To: <6F7215AD-55F3-4FCD-A30D-F3FBE22607AC@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6F7215AD-55F3-4FCD-A30D-F3FBE22607AC@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B4CE86B.3010908@hindu.org>

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> Version 1.0.1 of the SQL Yoga library is now available for download 
> from our site. This version includes a few new features, some bug 
> fixes and a new plugin.
>
> You can learn more at the following url:
>
> http://bit.ly/6bXMiJ

Aloha, Trevor:

Thanks! the upgrade to Hinduism Today Digital Edition, newly named 
Hinduism Today Navigator, owes a lot to you work (via Andre whose doing 
this for us)

I appreciate the kind of strong support you give to everything you do.

cheers from Kauai

Om Shanti
Sivakatirswami

Production Manager
   www.HinduismToday.com
Web Coordinator
   www.HimalayanAcademy.com



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 17:21:15 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:21:15 +1000
Subject: Serial Port Woes
In-Reply-To: <4B4C97F6.7000107@crcom.net>
References: <4B4C97F6.7000107@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001121421j5467d9cak43fcdfd1e3af04c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port. ?I'm trying
> to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the basic idea is to
> send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then wait for an answer (about
> 300 bytes). ?There is between a 1/4 and 1/2 second delay from when I send
> the command and the controller STARTS sending it back.
>
> I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either text or
> binary). ?I have to open the com port, send the command, then close the port
> and reopen it for read to get anything at all.
>
> I've tried "until linefeed", "until empty", "until eof", "for 1 line", etc.
> and none of them seem to work reliably. ?I KNOW that a response ends with a
> CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 "line" in a response so if I could just
> wait until I got the LF and it happened in say 3 seconds or less, I'd be
> happy.


Hi Len,

I have done a lot of work with serial ports, and although I always put
in lots of checks that close & re-open the port if there is an error,
this is not a normal occurrence.

Have a look at my serial test stack
<http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/SerialTest.rev> which allows you to
configure the expected line endings as well as all the serial port
parameters. It sends data, and then constantly checks for incoming
responses from the serial device.

Cheers,
Sarah


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 19:21:31 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:21:31 -0400
Subject: Bill Marriott
Message-ID: <3bbe202f1001121621k69c23874q27ad5a2ad6617e27@mail.gmail.com>

Mis mas sinceras condolencias para la familia Marriot
y para la familia Miller, por la inesperada perdida de
sus seres queridos.

Que Dios los acompa?e en este momento de tristeza.


Alejandro


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Jan 12 20:12:12 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:12:12 -0400
Subject: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4B4CE86B.3010908@hindu.org>
References: <6F7215AD-55F3-4FCD-A30D-F3FBE22607AC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4B4CE86B.3010908@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <459b22a91001121712g2b46a22co946c77c8806cadf5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for this new plug in. I love the improvement in the IDE!


From alex at a2technology.com  Tue Jan 12 21:07:24 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:07:24 -0800
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
Message-ID: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>

I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and everything
works fine on the way in and on the way out.  Thanks Zryip TheSlug for your
explanations.

What isn?t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
a Mac OS X.  The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
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www.promisstudio.com
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 22:08:13 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:08:13 +1000
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
In-Reply-To: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001121908h648a51e4jd0fb175763c3f1b2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
> I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and everything
> works fine on the way in and on the way out. ?Thanks Zryip TheSlug for your
> explanations.
>
> What isn?t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
> a Mac OS X. ?The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
> file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.


Check out "the filetype" in the docs.
By default, Rev sets the filetype to "ttxtTEXT" which means that any
file saved will appear to be a text file.
You can set the file type to the required creator code & type, but now
that Apple no longer supports creator codes, it is much easier just to
set the filetype to empty and let the Finder use the file extension to
sort out which application to use for each file type.

Cheers,
Sarah


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jan 12 22:31:40 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:31:40 -0700
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001121908h648a51e4jd0fb175763c3f1b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
	<f99b52861001121908h648a51e4jd0fb175763c3f1b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB424549-E6BC-4BC6-A1EC-D6664A4FD1C8@byu.edu>


On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>  
> wrote:
>> I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and  
>> everything
>> works fine on the way in and on the way out.  Thanks Zryip TheSlug  
>> for your
>> explanations.
>>
>> What isn?t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files  
>> restored to
>> a Mac OS X.  The files work just fine, if opened by a program that  
>> uses the
>> file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.
>
>
> Check out "the filetype" in the docs.
> By default, Rev sets the filetype to "ttxtTEXT" which means that any
> file saved will appear to be a text file.
> You can set the file type to the required creator code & type, but now
> that Apple no longer supports creator codes, it is much easier just to
> set the filetype to empty and let the Finder use the file extension to
> sort out which application to use for each file type.

Alex,

As Sarah mentioned, with Snow Leopard Apple has abandoned the creator  
code and file type model, but if you're still using Leopard or have  
users who are, this page might be useful:

http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Jan 12 22:37:55 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:37:55 -0600
Subject: Is there a 64-bit version coming?
Message-ID: <4B4D4013.6060406@crcom.net>

The subject says it all.  Is there a 64-bit version of Rev 4.0 (or 
later) for Windows 7?  Just curious...

len morgan


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Jan 12 22:42:07 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:42:07 -0600
Subject: Serial Port Woes
In-Reply-To: <9E308E47-5DA3-436B-848A-6510223E40FF@pacifier.com>
References: <4B4C97F6.7000107@crcom.net>
	<9E308E47-5DA3-436B-848A-6510223E40FF@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <4B4D410F.9030202@crcom.net>

I'd love to take a stab at finishing it up.  If you have any thoughts on 
what you feel is missing that you didn't get a chance to finish, let me 
know.  Maybe I can release a serial library we could all use.

len morgan

On 1/12/2010 12:26 PM, -= JB =- wrote:
> I was working on a serial port stack but have been prevented from 
> programming
> on it for over a year now due to being poisoned and tormented in my 
> own home
> by a communist nazi like secret society destroying select lives in 
> America.
>
> It is unfinished but it does some basic calls.  If you are interested 
> I will put it on
> the Rev site and allow anyone to use or improve it.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.  I'm 
>> trying to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the basic 
>> idea is to send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then wait for 
>> an answer (about 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and 1/2 second 
>> delay from when I send the command and the controller STARTS sending 
>> it back.
>>
>> I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either 
>> text or binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command, then 
>> close the port and reopen it for read to get anything at all.
>>
>> I've tried "until linefeed", "until empty", "until eof", "for 1 
>> line", etc. and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a 
>> response ends with a CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 "line" in a 
>> response so if I could just wait until I got the LF and it happened 
>> in say 3 seconds or less, I'd be happy.
>>
>> Any suggestions??
>>
>> len morgan
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From runrev at gmx.com  Tue Jan 12 22:35:32 2010
From: runrev at gmx.com (runrev at gmx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:35:32 -0500
Subject: an interesting challenge
Message-ID: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>




From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 23:19:58 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:19:58 -0800
Subject: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
In-Reply-To: <40232FA8-3C63-4AD0-96BF-B6CEA188BC3B@mac.com>
References: <C7715347.47079%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<40232FA8-3C63-4AD0-96BF-B6CEA188BC3B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <713A0160-EE36-4E3C-8A0A-769A89476F17@mac.com>

OK. I'm able to "load" the URL to the cache. How do I get the text of the downloaded web page?

I see the file in the list of cached urls but I don't see how to get the text.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Perfect. Thank you.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> 
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> In some of my stacks, I use "loadURL <URL>" to download a stack, and "unload
>> url <URL>" to cancel an active download.  I believe this will still work if
>> the download hangs.  I also use an animated indicator (to show things are
>> active during the download) which is stopped as soon as a download is
>> canceled or completed.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>> 
>>> I issue a "get URL "http://..." command to load a very small file from the web
>>> page. This usually behaves well and loads instantly even on slow network
>>> connections because the http file. If there is good a good network connection
>>> to the Internet it gets the download. If there isn't a connection at all it
>>> downloads nothing and errors out well and if usually notifies the user very
>>> quickly.
>>> 
>>> However, I sometimes the Internet connection is either extremely slow or
>>> otherwise problematic. In this case nothing appears to be happening until the
>>> statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for it to time out takes a long
>>> time to the user and I want to give them a chance to cancel it.
>>> 
>>> The Rev docs suggest using the "load" command instead.  The Rev docs state
>>> that "get URL" commands are blocking. The handler pauses until Rev is finished
>>> accessing the URL. I would like to present a "Cancel download" button to the
>>> user in the event it is taking too long. How do I configure this?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important details of my life.
> 
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 23:59:42 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:59:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
In-Reply-To: <713A0160-EE36-4E3C-8A0A-769A89476F17@mac.com>
Message-ID: <471120.95004.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

on mouseUp
put "http://www.runrev.com" into curURL
load url curURL
put the cachedURLS into fld 1 // to see what you have loaded
put url curURL  into fld 2    // will load from cache
end mouseUp

From the dictionary:

To use a file that has been downloaded by the load command, refer to it using the URL keyword as usual. When you request the original URL, Revolution uses the cached file automatically.

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:19 PM
> OK. I'm able to "load" the URL to the
> cache. How do I get the text of the downloaded web page?
> 
> I see the file in the list of cached urls but I don't see
> how to get the text.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> 
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
> > Scott,
> > 
> > Perfect. Thank you.
> > 
> > Bill Vlahos
> > 
> > On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> > 
> >> In some of my stacks, I use "loadURL <URL>"
> to download a stack, and "unload
> >> url <URL>" to cancel an active
> download.? I believe this will still work if
> >> the download hangs.? I also use an animated
> indicator (to show things are
> >> active during the download) which is stopped as
> soon as a download is
> >> canceled or completed.
> >> 
> >> Hope this helps.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> Scott Rossi
> >> Creative Director
> >> Tactile Media, UX Design
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I issue a "get URL "http://..." command to
> load a very small file from the web
> >>> page. This usually behaves well and loads
> instantly even on slow network
> >>> connections because the http file. If there is
> good a good network connection
> >>> to the Internet it gets the download. If there
> isn't a connection at all it
> >>> downloads nothing and errors out well and if
> usually notifies the user very
> >>> quickly.
> >>> 
> >>> However, I sometimes the Internet connection
> is either extremely slow or
> >>> otherwise problematic. In this case nothing
> appears to be happening until the
> >>> statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for
> it to time out takes a long
> >>> time to the user and I want to give them a
> chance to cancel it.
> >>> 
> >>> The Rev docs suggest using the "load" command
> instead.? The Rev docs state
> >>> that "get URL" commands are blocking. The
> handler pauses until Rev is finished
> >>> accessing the URL. I would like to present a
> "Cancel download" button to the
> >>> user in the event it is taking too long. How
> do I configure this?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
> and manage your subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > 
> > Bill Vlahos
> > _________________
> > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me
> remember the important details of my life.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
> manage your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
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> your subscription preferences:
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From mark.laffoon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 00:43:07 2010
From: mark.laffoon at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:43:07 -0900
Subject: New On-Rev Set-Up
In-Reply-To: <4B482A29.9060508@gmail.com>
References: <4B4813B1.1080706@gmail.com> <4B48250A.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4B482A29.9060508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4D5D6B.1040402@gmail.com>

It's probably bad form to reply to ones self, but I wanted to say thank 
you to Jacque and Heather for their tireless help in resolving my On-Rev 
setup issue.  I have been made to feel well at home!
Also, I realize that I'm quite new to this list and company, but I would 
also like to offer my condolences to the friends and family of the 
recently lost loved ones.

Thanks again,
Mark
--
Mark Laffoon
Lyceum Design
907.490.0375
mark at lyceumdesign.com
www.lyceumdesign.com
On 1/8/10 10:03 PM, Mark wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I thought it would be automatic too.  
> Nothing in spam folders. Oddly enough, I see what should be my login 
> name (a portion of my requested sub-domain) as the newest user at the 
> on-rev forums. Though I can't login to the forums...  I tried to use 
> the "forgot password" at the forums also, but to no avail.  I'm sure 
> they will eventually get to me in the cue.  I'm just anxious to play 
> with some "irev" code.
>
> On 1/8/10 9:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if any of you knew what the turn around time was for 
>>> new On-Rev accounts.  I purchased a month to month "subscription" 
>>> through the runrev.com store a week ago (successfully billed to my 
>>> cc) and have yet to receive any information in regards to the account.
>>>
>>> I have also emailed support at runrev.com, with only an automated 
>>> responder thanking me for my effort.  Is everyone still on holiday?
>>
>> No, but very heavily backlogged after the holidays. I could be wrong, 
>> but I thought the setup was automatic and immediate. Anyone know? My 
>> own account was set up manually before the system was fully in place, 
>> so I don't know how it works now.
>>
>> Did you search your spam folders for email?
>>
>



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 00:59:10 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:59:10 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <27A03E4A-BF6A-464C-ADA4-B6E0681EAF4D@numericable.com>

What ?

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 04:35, runrev at gmx.com a ?crit :

> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 13 01:01:32 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:01:32 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.

:-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, runrev at gmx.com wrote:






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 13 01:24:48 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:24:48 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>

We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/12 Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>

> I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
>
> :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
> Recently, runrev at gmx.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 01:36:55 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:36:55 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FED77C99-2E3A-4C17-9F53-302A902576BA@numericable.com>

In front of my house, here in Paris, I have the same !
Ren?

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 07:24, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
> gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> 
> 
> 2010/1/12 Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> 
>> I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Recently, runrev at gmx.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 01:38:46 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:38:46 +0200
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>

Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:

"?"

and they replied:

"!"

which seems about as minimal as one can get.

A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
else for that matter.

Now, the thing that worries me is whether "?" constitutes a
sentence as it is verbless.

> We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
> gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/12 Scott Rossi<scott at tactilemedia.com>
>
>    
>> I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>      
>    



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 13 01:54:13 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:54:13 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C772AE15.47104%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
> 
> "?"
> 
> and they replied:
> 
> "!"
> 
> which seems about as minimal as one can get.


.



Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 01:57:43 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:57:43 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6561F8D3-5263-4FC3-82CC-7BC910577B5F@numericable.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_(linguistics)

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 07:38, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
> 
> "?"
> 
> and they replied:
> 
> "!"
> 
> which seems about as minimal as one can get.
> 
> A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
> else for that matter.
> 
> Now, the thing that worries me is whether "?" constitutes a
> sentence as it is verbless.
> 
>> We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
>> gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
>> 
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>> 
>> 
>> 2010/1/12 Scott Rossi<scott at tactilemedia.com>
>> 
>>   
>>> I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
>>> 
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     
>>   
> 
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 02:03:04 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:03:04 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
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Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the sentence than the english(s)  :-)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 07:38, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
> 
> "?"
> 
> and they replied:
> 
> "!"
> 
> which seems about as minimal as one can get.
> 
> A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
> else for that matter.
> 
> Now, the thing that worries me is whether "?" constitutes a
> sentence as it is verbless.
> 
>> We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
>> gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
>> 
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>> 
>> 
>> 2010/1/12 Scott Rossi<scott at tactilemedia.com>
>> 
>>   
>>> I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
>>> 
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     
>>   
> 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Jan 13 02:36:26 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:36:26 -1000
Subject: an interesting challenge
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References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>
	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>
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Ren? Micout wrote:

> Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the
> sentence than the english(s)  :-)
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase

French is apparently always more "wordy" than English. ;-) When I worked
with Eric, he would struggle to fit into the same "space" in French what I
wrote in English (and he was an accomplished author). He told me French is
about one-third more words than English to say the same thought.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 02:41:46 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:41:46 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>
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Hello Jim,
I agree, but...
Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content...  ;-)
Ren?

PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 08:36, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the
>> sentence than the english(s)  :-)
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase
> 
> French is apparently always more "wordy" than English. ;-) When I worked
> with Eric, he would struggle to fit into the same "space" in French what I
> wrote in English (and he was an accomplished author). He told me French is
> about one-third more words than English to say the same thought.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Jan 13 04:55:00 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:55:00 +0100
Subject: Flash cookies
In-Reply-To: <60450254296.20100112082432@ahsoftware.net>
References: <17339.29693.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B746C.1030604@gmail.com>
	<8D11C61F-63B9-4F55-A941-4085032A6BF3@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4B4C73F4.9040901@gmail.com>
	<60450254296.20100112082432@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <D99D38B6-7EAB-496C-814F-EB4E4CE817A4@inria.fr>


Le 12 janv. 10 ? 17:24, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> Richmond-
>
> Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07:00 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Today, had a look in the folders in
>
>> ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/
>
>> and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .
>
> ...old hack, but still quite useful...
>
> Rename the "Flash Player" folder to "Flash Playerx"
> In the Macromedia folder reate a *text* document named "Flash Player"
>
> Flash Player is now no longer able to store anything into the
> non-existent folder and is not able to create the folder since a file
> of that name already exists. It fails gracefully and moves on.
>
> --  
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
Bonjour,
I tried this "old hack" but here Flash Player recreates a new folder  
"Flash Player"!

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?



From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Jan 13 05:10:06 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:10:06 -1000
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>
	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>
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> Hello Jim,
> I agree, but...
> Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content...  ;-
> )
> Ren?
> 
> PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...


On the anniversary of his passing, I will tell a funny story.

In all the years of our association, Eric and I always spoke and
corresponded in English. About two months before his passing, I "confessed"
and told him I had taken two years of French in high school as my "second
language." He was outraged and said something to the effect of, "After all
these years you tell me this?"

He then wrote me several emails in French. I understood little of what he
said and told him we needed to return to English. He said something to the
effect of, "As you have been my English editor, now I will be your French
one." ;-)

He was also to be my Mac teacher as I had taught him about PCs. But time did
not allow.

C'est la vie.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 05:41:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:41:16 +0200
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>
	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
Message-ID: <4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>


>> Hello Jim,
>> I agree, but...
>> Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content...  ;-
>> )
>> Ren?
>>
>> PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...
>>      
>
> On the anniversary of his passing, I will tell a funny story.
>
> In all the years of our association, Eric and I always spoke and
> corresponded in English. About two months before his passing, I "confessed"
> and told him I had taken two years of French in high school as my "second
> language." He was outraged and said something to the effect of, "After all
> these years you tell me this?"
>
> He then wrote me several emails in French. I understood little of what he
> said and told him we needed to return to English. He said something to the
> effect of, "As you have been my English editor, now I will be your French
> one." ;-)
>
> He was also to be my Mac teacher as I had taught him about PCs. But time did
> not allow.
>
> C'est la vie.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>    

To which I could reply: if you'll be my American English editor I'll be your
British English editor . . .  :)

Words that caused me problems in Illinois:

Hoovering (Vacuuming); as in "I'm sorry I'm late, I've been hoovering at 
home."

Hoe (Cultivator); as in "I always use a hoe in the garden."

Tap (Faucet); as in "The tap in the bathroom is leaking."

Fag (Cigarette); as in "I could really do with a fag."

Lady; as in "That lady over there."

Queer (Peculiar); as in "I'm feeling a little queer."

Scones (Biscuits) / Biscuits (Cookies); as in "I'd like to buy some 
biscuits."

entre vos mots et mes mots nous avons un mur trop dure! [Come on, 
correct my French!]


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 05:53:12 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:53:12 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>
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Eric was my neighbor (his office was at 780 meters [Google Earth] of my home) and yet we had never met...
I was a big "fan" since the publication of his book/CD "Tout sur Hypercard". We exchanged by mail, often in french (especially about "Guides Picker" that I use everyday...), but in english on the forum...
Time passes...

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 11:10, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> 
>> Hello Jim,
>> I agree, but...
>> Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content...  ;-
>> )
>> Ren?
>> 
>> PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...
> 
> 
> On the anniversary of his passing, I will tell a funny story.
> 
> In all the years of our association, Eric and I always spoke and
> corresponded in English. About two months before his passing, I "confessed"
> and told him I had taken two years of French in high school as my "second
> language." He was outraged and said something to the effect of, "After all
> these years you tell me this?"
> 
> He then wrote me several emails in French. I understood little of what he
> said and told him we needed to return to English. He said something to the
> effect of, "As you have been my English editor, now I will be your French
> one." ;-)
> 
> He was also to be my Mac teacher as I had taught him about PCs. But time did
> not allow.
> 
> C'est la vie.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 05:57:21 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:57:21 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>
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I propose (it is not easy) :
"Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barri?re du langage"
Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
Fran?ais (ou francophones) d'autres propositions ?

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 11:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> entre vos mots et mes mots nous avons un mur trop dure! [Come on, correct my French!]



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 06:06:42 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:06:42 +0200
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <723D7518-EDA3-4190-B253-1D11195A923E@numericable.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
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On 13/01/2010 12:57, Ren? Micout wrote:
> I propose (it is not easy) :
> "Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barri?re du langage"
> Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
> Fran?ais (ou francophones) d'autres propositions ?
>
> Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 11:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
>    
>> entre vos mots et mes mots nous avons un mur trop dure! [Come on, correct my French!]
>>      

Non!

Possiblement:

Entre vos miens, mes miens et des mots, il y a une barri?re du sens.

Et, c'est sure a ce moment ici nous avons une salade des miens . . .  :)



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 06:20:24 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:20:24 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4DA942.1020005@gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
	<4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
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Bon app?tit !

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 12:06, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Et, c'est sure a ce moment ici nous avons une salade des miens . . .  :)



From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 13 07:46:37 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:46:37 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4DA942.1020005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1jc9ew6.17xgxx92xzmr8M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Entre vos miens, mes miens et des mots, il y a une barri?re du sens.

il y a souvent les faux-amis ;-) [false friends]

qui perfusent en fran?ais (comme pathetic = lamentable)

? l'inverse (sur une photo de chat) someone said it was "putty-putty*"
et mon dictionnaire** said me that it was a "zizi" ;-))

* if I remember correctly
** Harrap's shorter; but for now I rely on "Dictionnaire" [Dictionary]
with a number of dictionaries added




From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Jan 13 08:09:04 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:09:04 +0100
Subject: Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <20091231180007.BCFE128876B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20091231180007.BCFE128876B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <863581C4-1500-46F6-9AC3-D4CF0BC13BA7@derbrill.de>

I am still shocked. And I do not know what to say. I?ve been pondering long if I should write to the list at all... Nothing I could say can take the pain from the families. It is important you all take your time to do the work of mourning (I do not have the correct english term for this. We say "Trauerarbeit" in german)

Kevin, first of all my condolences for the loss of your niece. If I could I would give Robin, his wife, you and Heather a big hug. I know this wouldn?t help. As a parent myself, the loss of a child always leaves me speechless. No parent should be forced to bury their child. It is just not fair. Te whole Miller family has my deepest sympathy. I?ve been thinking of you folks a lot since I learned Robins child has died. Take your time to find your feet. Everybody will understand. In tragic times like this, you have all rights to let work being work and be there for your loved ones. Also you have an outstanding team of co workers who will take care that work gets done anyway. Take your time... And lets hope the rest of the year will bring some happy news.

I will keep Bill in my memory as a guy who really moved something. That?s the least I must say. He was a guy with a lot of expertise and helped me a lot when the whole webinar thing for the revSelect stuff came up. He had very valuable tips and really cared to make it an outstanding event. I was so nervous when I had to hold mine, but Heather and him gave me lots of support. He surely will be missed.

All the best,

Malte

From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Jan 13 08:43:05 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:43:05 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.3.0
Message-ID: <851B9FCA-0452-49B9-A55E-31449B7D9FA5@wehostmacs.com>

(yes, I just make the version numbers as I go along ;-)

Not certain if anyone remembers or even tried out the original version  
of this, but I finally managed to set aside some time for it to get  
working the way I wanted it to work.


What Is It?

A plugin that allows you to create (and share) your own script editor  
colour schemes.
Schemes are stored as plain text files so you can easily share them,  
edit them or write your own software to mangle them.


How Do I Use It?

Place it in your plugins folder, launch (or re-launch) Rev, look in  
Preferences > Script Editor > Colorization (the popup menu)


Sharing Schemes

Schemes are stored in [User Extensions] > Resources > Script Colour  
Editor Schemes



If you come up with some themes, email them to me so I can post on the  
site for others to use..


Info and download at < http://www.shaosean.tk/ >


-Sean


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 13 08:51:07 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:51:07 +0100
Subject: Winmdows 7 & "launch app.exe"
Message-ID: <DB60F267-B461-46B1-BA21-1EE72C370ACA@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

looks like Rev is not (yet) working with Windows 7.

I have a valid pathname to a valid EXE file in "the_app".

This does not work:
...
launch the_app
answer the result
## I get "not opened"
## A good laugh, but not really useful :-D
...

This does work:
...
set the hideconsolewindows to true
get shell("start" && QUOTE & QUOTE && QUOTE & the_app & QUOTE=
...

So looks like "launch" is broken on Windows 7!?
Could someone check this please before I file this as a bugreport? 
Thanks!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 13 09:05:55 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:05:55 +0100
Subject: Winmdows 7 & "launch app.exe"
In-Reply-To: <DB60F267-B461-46B1-BA21-1EE72C370ACA@major.on-rev.com>
References: <DB60F267-B461-46B1-BA21-1EE72C370ACA@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F27925FA-B1D1-4CE4-A285-BDBF462CF8C1@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

I often have the same problem with other versions of Windows. It is  
not limited to Windows 7. Quite some time ago, I decided not to bother  
anymore and to use the shell whenever I have to launch an application  
or file.

Are you sure that this hasn't been reported yet?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 13 jan 2010, om 14:51 heeft Klaus Major het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> looks like Rev is not (yet) working with Windows 7.
>
> I have a valid pathname to a valid EXE file in "the_app".
>
> This does not work:
> ...
> launch the_app
> answer the result
> ## I get "not opened"
> ## A good laugh, but not really useful :-D
> ...
>
> This does work:
> ...
> set the hideconsolewindows to true
> get shell("start" && QUOTE & QUOTE && QUOTE & the_app & QUOTE=
> ...
>
> So looks like "launch" is broken on Windows 7!?
> Could someone check this please before I file this as a bugreport?
> Thanks!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 13 09:10:22 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:10:22 +0100
Subject: Windows 7 & "launch app.exe"
In-Reply-To: <F27925FA-B1D1-4CE4-A285-BDBF462CF8C1@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <DB60F267-B461-46B1-BA21-1EE72C370ACA@major.on-rev.com>
	<F27925FA-B1D1-4CE4-A285-BDBF462CF8C1@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1A253736-B694-43BA-96F2-DBDAE01D024B@major.on-rev.com>

Dag Mark,

Am 13.01.2010 um 15:05 schrieb Mark Schonewille:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> I often have the same problem with other versions of Windows. It is not limited to Windows 7. Quite some time ago, I decided not to bother anymore and to use the shell whenever I have to launch an application or file.

Ah, good to know, thanks!

> Are you sure that this hasn't been reported yet?

No idea :-)

> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> 
> We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any further obligations
> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Jan 13 07:55:13 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:55:13 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Scratch Pad, Minimize, Multiple Instances for tRev
In-Reply-To: <6449A5E6-6336-4B34-9197-B50F061343E5@me.com>
References: <6449A5E6-6336-4B34-9197-B50F061343E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <6E4F8DB6-9749-488E-9AC7-632DE28FAD1E@inria.fr>


Le 12 janv. 10 ? 21:44, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :

>
> The Scratch Pad is simply a list of links to your favorite handlers.
> - It persists from session-to-session.
> - It is there whether in code editor or object browser mode.
> - It can be edited in-situ or through its own editor.
>
> There's a nice slide show and a video of the Scratch Pad in action:
>
>    http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers
>

Bonjour Jerry,

When I click on "updates available" on the bottom left of my tRev then  
on "quit and get it now", reveditor.com is opened but there, I can't  
find how (where) to download the new version of tRev!
"3 Download links located at the lower right of the main page on this  
site. " seems I am a bit stupid, but I don't find these links!

Besides, I am remaking an old app I am using a lot, improving it etc.  
Hence, I am merrily dragging handlers, either with or without the  
option key ;-)
Really amazing this handler's drag feature! I am saving a lot of time  
and? it is very playful! Seems that tRev is more and more like a nice  
game ;-))) Each weekly new feature seems the best to me ;-O))))

I am looking forward to getting the scratch pad!

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 09:26:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:26:57 +0200
Subject: Windows 7 & "launch app.exe"
In-Reply-To: <1A253736-B694-43BA-96F2-DBDAE01D024B@major.on-rev.com>
References: <DB60F267-B461-46B1-BA21-1EE72C370ACA@major.on-rev.com>	<F27925FA-B1D1-4CE4-A285-BDBF462CF8C1@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1A253736-B694-43BA-96F2-DBDAE01D024B@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4B4DD831.5000500@gmail.com>

On 13/01/2010 16:10, Klaus Major wrote:
> Dag Mark,
>
> Am 13.01.2010 um 15:05 schrieb Mark Schonewille:
>
>    
>> Hi Klaus,
>>
>> I often have the same problem with other versions of Windows. It is not limited to Windows 7. Quite some time ago, I decided not to bother anymore and to use the shell whenever I have to launch an application or file.
>>      
> Ah, good to know, thanks!
>
>    
>> Are you sure that this hasn't been reported yet?
>>      
> No idea :-)
>
>    
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>>      
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>    

Well, I have had no problems with any versions of Windows up to an 
including XP * 3.

Mind you, that is majorly outdated except in Bulgaria . . .  :)

Mind you, I wonder why people would prefer Vista?

I wonder if "7" is better than Vista, or just a fudge rather like 
Millennium was?


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 09:29:54 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:29:54 +0100
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
In-Reply-To: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001130629r7089f576ra6c466b1615d53c9@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/13 Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>:

Hello Alex,

> What isn?t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
> a Mac OS X. ?The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
> file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.

> What am I missing?
> Thanks,

On Mac OS X try to restore the file with the command: ask file... with type...
 It means that when you store a file in the dataBase, you need to keep
its type somewhere in the record.

>
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http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 13 09:38:05 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:38:05 +0100
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001130629r7089f576ra6c466b1615d53c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
	<64bda6471001130629r7089f576ra6c466b1615d53c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B64272FB-B154-414E-B2F9-2E0E4C6A159C@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Alex,

Am 13.01.2010 um 15:29 schrieb zryip theSlug:

> 2010/1/13 Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
>> What isn?t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
>> a Mac OS X.  The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
>> file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.
> 
>> What am I missing?
>> Thanks,
> 
> On Mac OS X try to restore the file with the command: ask file... with type...
> It means that when you store a file in the dataBase, you need to keep
> its type somewhere in the record.

Add this line:
...
set the filetype to ""
...
before you write your file(s) to disk.

This way the Finder will be forced to check the file suffix and to open that file
with the associated app when doubleclicked.

I do this all the time and works fine.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 13 09:40:32 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:32 +0100
Subject: Windows 7 & "launch app.exe"
In-Reply-To: <4B4DD831.5000500@gmail.com>
References: <DB60F267-B461-46B1-BA21-1EE72C370ACA@major.on-rev.com>	<F27925FA-B1D1-4CE4-A285-BDBF462CF8C1@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1A253736-B694-43BA-96F2-DBDAE01D024B@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B4DD831.5000500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5753B6A8-95DF-4060-A84F-BFB02DE354F5@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

> On 13/01/2010 16:10, Klaus Major wrote:
>> Dag Mark,
>> Am 13.01.2010 um 15:05 schrieb Mark Schonewille  
>>> Hi Klaus,
>>> I often have the same problem with other versions of Windows. It is not limited to Windows 7. Quite some time ago, I decided not to bother anymore and to use the shell whenever I have to launch an application or file.   
>> Ah, good to know, thanks!
>> Are you sure that this hasn't been reported yet?
>>>      No idea :-)
>> ...
> 
> Well, I have had no problems with any versions of Windows up to an including XP * 3.
> Mind you, that is majorly outdated except in Bulgaria . . .  :)

Not only in Bulgaria :-)

> Mind you, I wonder why people would prefer Vista?

Mind YOU, they wouldn't!

> I wonder if "7" is better than Vista, or just a fudge rather like Millennium was?

Yes, this is better, just like a little cold is better than a mature influenza :-D


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Jan 13 10:34:17 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:34:17 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Scratch Pad, Minimize, Multiple Instances for tRev
In-Reply-To: <6E4F8DB6-9749-488E-9AC7-632DE28FAD1E@inria.fr>
References: <6449A5E6-6336-4B34-9197-B50F061343E5@me.com>
	<6E4F8DB6-9749-488E-9AC7-632DE28FAD1E@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <6DF1DAF6-4415-4D2B-BFE6-0BDC9B7BF8C5@me.com>

Andre,

Glad to hear you're enjoying tRev so much. I, too, love to drag my  
handlers around...moving them to new folders, positioning them in a  
way that makes sense to me, and even moving them to new objects via  
tabs. I think the Scratch Pad will be another breakthrough like that.

Here's how to download the latest version:

If you go to http://reveditor.com and look at the right side of the  
page you will see a box with a dinosaur bursting out of it. Below it  
are short descriptive paragraphs with links in them. One of them says:

Download tRev: OS X or Vista!
Need reg code for first launch.

Both OS X and Vista are links. Click them to download.

I have considered making a big download button, but I don't want to  
give the impression that there is a trial version of the product, etc.  
And the truth is, we rarely update the tRev app itself, but, as you  
know, we do weekly component updates. tRev has lots of little  
components that can be updated in situ without restarting tRev, etc.

So I may make a large pair buttons or something. Have fun with the new  
version.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis

On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

>
> Le 12 janv. 10 ? 21:44, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :
>
>>
>> The Scratch Pad is simply a list of links to your favorite handlers.
>> - It persists from session-to-session.
>> - It is there whether in code editor or object browser mode.
>> - It can be edited in-situ or through its own editor.
>>
>> There's a nice slide show and a video of the Scratch Pad in action:
>>
>>   http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers
>>
>
> Bonjour Jerry,
>
> When I click on "updates available" on the bottom left of my tRev  
> then on "quit and get it now", reveditor.com is opened but there, I  
> can't find how (where) to download the new version of tRev!
> "3 Download links located at the lower right of the main page on  
> this site. " seems I am a bit stupid, but I don't find these links!
>
> Besides, I am remaking an old app I am using a lot, improving it  
> etc. Hence, I am merrily dragging handlers, either with or without  
> the option key ;-)
> Really amazing this handler's drag feature! I am saving a lot of  
> time and? it is very playful! Seems that tRev is more and more like  
> a nice game ;-))) Each weekly new feature seems the best to me ;-O))))
>
> I am looking forward to getting the scratch pad!
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
>
> Andr?
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From sniderl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 10:47:19 2010
From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:47:19 -0500
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to anchor a card to the bottom left corner of the screen
but I want to dynamically determine the screen size, card size, etc
and then change it's location.

When doing something like this I sometimes get "coordinate is not a
point" errors at run time...but not all the time, mind you.  Putting
numbers in the coordinate position of bottomLeft works but not using a
variable.

on mouseDoubleUp
    put the working screenRects into tSCR
    --put item 4 of tSCR into tYHeight

    --put "0," & tYHeight into tVarLoc

    set the bottomLeft of this stack to 0,item 4 of tSCR
    --set the bottomLeft of this stack to tVarLoc

    put the decorations of this stack into tDecorations
    switch tDecorations
        case "title,minimize"
            set the decorations of this stack to empty
            break
        case empty
            set the decorations of this stack to "title,minimize"
            break
        default
            set the decorations of this stack to "title,minimize"
            break
    end switch
end mouseDoubleUp

Can anyone guide me on the proper way to snap a card to the edge of
the screen?  I'd like to add the option to choose which corner to
anchor to but if variables in the coordinates are sketchy I won't.
;-)

Thanks.

Larry


From alex at a2technology.com  Wed Jan 13 12:19:51 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:19:51 -0800
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001121908h648a51e4jd0fb175763c3f1b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77340B7.101B0%alex@a2technology.com>

Thanks one an all.  Setting the fileType to empty solved my problem.
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com


> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:08:13 +1000
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: BLOBs to files - works great but...
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
>> I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and everything
>> works fine on the way in and on the way out. ?Thanks Zryip TheSlug for your
>> explanations.
>> 
>> What isn?t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
>> a Mac OS X. ?The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
>> file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.
> 
> 
> Check out "the filetype" in the docs.
> By default, Rev sets the filetype to "ttxtTEXT" which means that any
> file saved will appear to be a text file.
> You can set the file type to the required creator code & type, but now
> that Apple no longer supports creator codes, it is much easier just to
> set the filetype to empty and let the Finder use the file extension to
> sort out which application to use for each file type.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Jan 13 12:21:45 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:21:45 -0500
Subject: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4B4CE86B.3010908@hindu.org>
References: <6F7215AD-55F3-4FCD-A30D-F3FBE22607AC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4B4CE86B.3010908@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <12D2D370-C424-4A68-AF53-7818E47CE76C@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Thanks! the upgrade to Hinduism Today Digital Edition, newly named  
> Hinduism Today Navigator, owes a lot to you work (via Andre whose  
> doing this for us)
>
> I appreciate the kind of strong support you give to everything you do.

You're welcome. I'm glad to hear your project is moving along.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 13 13:17:13 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:17:13 -0800
Subject: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin
In-Reply-To: <12D2D370-C424-4A68-AF53-7818E47CE76C@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6F7215AD-55F3-4FCD-A30D-F3FBE22607AC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4B4CE86B.3010908@hindu.org>
	<12D2D370-C424-4A68-AF53-7818E47CE76C@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <B5D4CA8A-D2D2-417C-8181-0113DEEB8DA8@twft.com>

Seriously Trevor, sqlYoga is in my opinion exactly in the spirit of what Revolution SHOULD have provided end users with concerning database access. Anyone ever involved with the differing flavors of SQL and the subtleties of syntax, or who have ever tried to write SQL for complex joins knows it really is like learning another language. Learning another language is EXACTLY what attracts casual developers like myself. I wonder how many people wanting to develop in Revolution hit the SQL syntax hurdle and just quit at that point? I certainly was at that point a few times. 

SQL Yoga provides a way to access SQL database without learning any SQL syntax. THAT is the kind of thing casual developers like me who have another job in IT need to get over that hurdle. 

Thank you once again for your excellent contributions to the Rev community. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 13:38:04 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:38:04 -0600
Subject: HTML Text
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001131038ibc5fdbib56720fd024268f@mail.gmail.com>

I am using the put url command to retrieve the html code from a website.  Is
there a command to strip out the html code?  I just want the text.

ie.
<html>
<body>
<b>This is an example</b>
</body>
</html>

I would want:
This is an example

Thanks for any help,
Warren


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 13 13:44:15 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:44:15 -0800
Subject: HTML Text
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001131038ibc5fdbib56720fd024268f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001131038ibc5fdbib56720fd024268f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001131044t4568cfd1p1dc759de34778069@mail.gmail.com>

get the HTML from the website then

set the htmltext of fld "yourfield" to it


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/13 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>

> I am using the put url command to retrieve the html code from a website.
>  Is
> there a command to strip out the html code?  I just want the text.
>
> ie.
> <html>
> <body>
> <b>This is an example</b>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> I would want:
> This is an example
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Warren
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 13 13:52:06 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:52:06 +0100
Subject: HTML Text
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001131044t4568cfd1p1dc759de34778069@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001131038ibc5fdbib56720fd024268f@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001131044t4568cfd1p1dc759de34778069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B98AA88-96F8-414A-8E90-6CF4BA6EAE42@economy-x-talk.com>

Warren and Stephen,

If you really want just the text, put fld "yourfield" into fld  
"yourfield" after setting the htmlText. Might sound weird, but it  
works. If you want to make it look clever and elegant, set the  
lockScreen to true while doing this.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new  
projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any  
further obligations
http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html

Op 13 jan 2010, om 19:44 heeft stephen barncard het volgende geschreven:

> get the HTML from the website then
>
> set the htmltext of fld "yourfield" to it
>



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 13:54:22 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:54:22 -0600
Subject: HTML Text
In-Reply-To: <6B98AA88-96F8-414A-8E90-6CF4BA6EAE42@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001131038ibc5fdbib56720fd024268f@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001131044t4568cfd1p1dc759de34778069@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B98AA88-96F8-414A-8E90-6CF4BA6EAE42@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001131054m202f9c0by75bbb8d6879d1aab@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you....the htmltext worked perfectly!

Warren

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Warren and Stephen,
>
> If you really want just the text, put fld "yourfield" into fld "yourfield"
> after setting the htmlText. Might sound weird, but it works. If you want to
> make it look clever and elegant, set the lockScreen to true while doing
> this.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new
> projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any further
> obligations
> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
>
> Op 13 jan 2010, om 19:44 heeft stephen barncard het volgende geschreven:
>
>
> get the HTML from the website then
>>
>> set the htmltext of fld "yourfield" to it
>>
>>
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 14:19:42 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:19:42 -0600
Subject: Images on a webpage
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001131119s543aaeb1t104d5247f4af0b3f@mail.gmail.com>

If I have the url of a image, is there a way to save the image to a folder
on computer using Revolution Studio?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 15:05:24 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:24 +0200
Subject: [OT] Slightly less Crappy Website
Message-ID: <4B4E2784.4010101@gmail.com>

I would like to think I am getting "there" thanks to all your
good advice (and, to a certain extent, avoiding premade
templates like the plague):

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

(admittedly a bit dull just at present)

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/links.html

(quite a bit more 'sexy')

Other pages still to come.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 15:18:05 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:18:05 -0600
Subject: Images on a webpage
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001131119s543aaeb1t104d5247f4af0b3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001131119s543aaeb1t104d5247f4af0b3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001131218t3a04901eu5f76cbe55551a5cc@mail.gmail.com>

Figured it out....libURLDownloadToFile.  No matter what the problem...RR
always seems to have the answer!

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I have the url of a image, is there a way to save the image to a folder
> on computer using Revolution Studio?
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 13 15:23:03 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:23:03 -0600
Subject: Images on a webpage
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001131218t3a04901eu5f76cbe55551a5cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001131119s543aaeb1t104d5247f4af0b3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<bcabf3d21001131218t3a04901eu5f76cbe55551a5cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E2BA7.90802@hyperactivesw.com>

Warren Kuhl wrote:
> Figured it out....libURLDownloadToFile.  No matter what the problem...RR
> always seems to have the answer!
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I have the url of a image, is there a way to save the image to a folder
>> on computer using Revolution Studio?

It can be even easier than that:

put url "http://www.domain.com/imagename.jpg" into url 
("binfile:folder/folder/imgname.jpg")

But your way works too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 13 15:30:01 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:30:01 +0100
Subject: [OT] Slightly less Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <4B4E2784.4010101@gmail.com>
References: <4B4E2784.4010101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04FE1A43-79A8-4231-B381-B0B56276BA35@numericable.com>

YES, YES, YES > Ganapati !
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 21:05, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> I would like to think I am getting "there" thanks to all your
> good advice (and, to a certain extent, avoiding premade
> templates like the plague):
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> (admittedly a bit dull just at present)
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/links.html
> 
> (quite a bit more 'sexy')
> 
> Other pages still to come.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
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From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 15:30:19 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:30:19 -0500
Subject: [OT] Slightly less Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <4B4E2784.4010101@gmail.com>
References: <4B4E2784.4010101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F59EC39-90DC-4FA2-AB5F-AA9AFBD4AB6F@verizon.net>


On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/links.html


That seems better, though you might think about using a JPEG or repeating pattern for the background. At the moment you're using 325kb just for that one png. Also, could the left side box be as tall as the grid of boxes on the right?



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 15:37:56 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:37:56 +0200
Subject: [OT] Slightly less Crappy Website
In-Reply-To: <6F59EC39-90DC-4FA2-AB5F-AA9AFBD4AB6F@verizon.net>
References: <4B4E2784.4010101@gmail.com>
	<6F59EC39-90DC-4FA2-AB5F-AA9AFBD4AB6F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B4E2F24.2000604@gmail.com>

On 13/01/2010 22:30, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/links.html
>>
>> That seems better, though you might think about using a JPEG or repeating pattern for the background. At the moment you're using 325kb just for that one png. Also, could the left side box be as tall as the grid of boxes on the right?
>>
>>      
Thanks, Colin; boiled the PNG down by 3 times to a JPEG.


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 15:48:20 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:48:20 -0600
Subject: Images on a webpage
In-Reply-To: <4B4E2BA7.90802@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001131119s543aaeb1t104d5247f4af0b3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<bcabf3d21001131218t3a04901eu5f76cbe55551a5cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4E2BA7.90802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001131248j6df4a4ew484ec8571eabb0aa@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jacqueline!

I am always looking for the easy way out.  I will use your solution.

 Warren
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>  Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>> Figured it out....libURLDownloadToFile.  No matter what the problem...RR
>> always seems to have the answer!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If I have the url of a image, is there a way to save the image to a folder
>>> on computer using Revolution Studio?
>>>
>>
> It can be even easier than that:
>
> put url "http://www.domain.com/imagename.jpg" into url
> ("binfile:folder/folder/imgname.jpg")
>
> But your way works too.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 13 16:12:28 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:12:28 -0800
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Larry:

Try this...

 put item 4 of tSCR into tYHeight
 put 0,tYHeight into tVarLoc

You should also double check the values you're putting into variables when
working with coordinates.  If you script

  put "0," into item 1 of  tLoc

You'll wind up with a double comma in tLoc.  This might be why you're
running into "coordinate is not a point" error.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Larry Snider wrote:

> I'm trying to anchor a card to the bottom left corner of the screen
> but I want to dynamically determine the screen size, card size, etc
> and then change it's location.
> 
> When doing something like this I sometimes get "coordinate is not a
> point" errors at run time...but not all the time, mind you.  Putting
> numbers in the coordinate position of bottomLeft works but not using a
> variable.
> 
> on mouseDoubleUp
>     put the working screenRects into tSCR
>     --put item 4 of tSCR into tYHeight
> 
>     --put "0," & tYHeight into tVarLoc
> 
>     set the bottomLeft of this stack to 0,item 4 of tSCR
>     --set the bottomLeft of this stack to tVarLoc
> 
>     put the decorations of this stack into tDecorations
>     switch tDecorations
>         case "title,minimize"
>             set the decorations of this stack to empty
>             break
>         case empty
>             set the decorations of this stack to "title,minimize"
>             break
>         default
>             set the decorations of this stack to "title,minimize"
>             break
>     end switch
> end mouseDoubleUp
> 
> Can anyone guide me on the proper way to snap a card to the edge of
> the screen?  I'd like to add the option to choose which corner to
> anchor to but if variables in the coordinates are sketchy I won't.
> ;-)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Larry
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From sniderl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 16:26:00 2010
From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:26:00 -0500
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>

hi Scott,

That's what I was using and it didn't work consistently and when I use
your method I get the same result for some reason.

I get the following error no matter which method I use.

card "card id 1002": execution error at line n/a (Object: coordinate
is not a point) near "0,1020"

What's strange is that this was working consistently one day and then
today I open up the stack and I get an error.

Larry

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> Hi Larry:
>
> Try this...
>
> ?put item 4 of tSCR into tYHeight
> ?put 0,tYHeight into tVarLoc
>
> You should also double check the values you're putting into variables when
> working with coordinates. ?If you script
>
> ?put "0," into item 1 of ?tLoc
>
> You'll wind up with a double comma in tLoc. ?This might be why you're
> running into "coordinate is not a point" error.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
> Recently, Larry Snider wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to anchor a card to the bottom left corner of the screen
>> but I want to dynamically determine the screen size, card size, etc
>> and then change it's location.
>>
>> When doing something like this I sometimes get "coordinate is not a
>> point" errors at run time...but not all the time, mind you. ?Putting
>> numbers in the coordinate position of bottomLeft works but not using a
>> variable.
>>
>> on mouseDoubleUp
>> ? ? put the working screenRects into tSCR
>> ? ? --put item 4 of tSCR into tYHeight
>>
>> ? ? --put "0," & tYHeight into tVarLoc
>>
>> ? ? set the bottomLeft of this stack to 0,item 4 of tSCR
>> ? ? --set the bottomLeft of this stack to tVarLoc
>>
>> ? ? put the decorations of this stack into tDecorations
>> ? ? switch tDecorations
>> ? ? ? ? case "title,minimize"
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? set the decorations of this stack to empty
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? break
>> ? ? ? ? case empty
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? set the decorations of this stack to "title,minimize"
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? break
>> ? ? ? ? default
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? set the decorations of this stack to "title,minimize"
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? break
>> ? ? end switch
>> end mouseDoubleUp
>>
>> Can anyone guide me on the proper way to snap a card to the edge of
>> the screen? ?I'd like to add the option to choose which corner to
>> anchor to but if variables in the coordinates are sketchy I won't.
>> ;-)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Larry
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> preferences:
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>
>
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From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed Jan 13 16:27:44 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:27:44 -0500
Subject: Rev on kde
Message-ID: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi everybody, just wanted to let the group know (incase somebody would have
some interest)  that I tried my stand alone (win) App on PC-BSD (a gui on
freebsd)(KDE GUI for various platforms)  running in Wine, and runs very
descent. 
Had one interesting behavior that 2 out of 4 DataGrids had a complete
background, trying to figure out why.

Hershel Fisch



From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed Jan 13 16:34:10 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:34:10 -0500
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C773A682.2458%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Thanks, I think this is what I'll try to do. I hope its going to work.
Hershel


On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Herschel,
> 
> I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
> it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
> process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
> opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
> as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.
> 
> If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
> use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
> hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
> the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
> client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
> start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
> (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
> 
> A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
> the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
> would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
> 
> It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
>> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
>> 
>>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? ?Do you mean
>>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
>>> program?
>> 
>> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
>> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
>> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a
>> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
>> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means that
>> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password
>> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and
>> its done.
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From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed Jan 13 16:37:15 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:37:15 -0500
Subject: Opening a doc in a cd or fld
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001050611i5918f6fy7e617add29c0d768@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C773A73B.2459%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Thanks, to all looks like it wouldn't work.
Hershel


On 1/5/10 9:11 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> The only way I can think this might be possible is with a revBrowser
> instance where IE or Safari has been configured to open the document
> inside the browser.  On Linux I've seen Firefox open OOO docs inside
> the browser window; on Windows I've seen Acrobat do the same thing
> with PDFs opening in the browser window.  I rarely use Windows or OS X
> these days, so I cannot say if Firefox works with OOO in a similar way
> on Windows.
> 
> Of course, there is no revBrowser on Linux, so I can't test this.,
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
>> Hi, is there a way to open a document,doc, pages, pdf, xls and so on in a
>> stack, card or fld?
>> Thanks, Hershel
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Jan 13 07:12:39 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:12:39 +0100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4DA942.1020005@gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
	<4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
	<723D7518-EDA3-4190-B253-1D11195A923E@numericable.com>
	<4B4DA942.1020005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C220C1CC-A512-41CC-BB6E-FBAC0C2139FC@inria.fr>


Le 13 janv. 10 ? 12:06, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> On 13/01/2010 12:57, Ren? Micout wrote:
>> I propose (it is not easy) :
>> "Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barri?re du langage"
>> Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
>> Fran?ais (ou francophones) d'autres propositions ?
>>
>> Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 11:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> entre vos mots et mes mots nous avons un mur trop dure! [Come on,  
>>> correct my French!]
>>>
>

Bonjour,
As for me, I would just remove the "e" after "dure" in the sentence  
above ("mur" is masculine) ;-))

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?

> Non!
>
> Possiblement:
>
> Entre vos miens, mes miens et des mots, il y a une barri?re du sens.
>
> Et, c'est sure a ce moment ici nous avons une salade des  
> miens . . .  :)
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 17:14:03 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:14:03 +0100
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001131414k5d27be2mdd92d5beacde82d8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Larry,

How many screens have you when it's works or not ?

If more than one the working screenRects will return you as many lines
as you have screens.
That's means that item 4 will contains item 4 of the rect of your
first screen and all the other screen rect behind. Take a look to your
variable tSCR on the debugger and count how many lines you have. I'm
sure that more than one;)

Insteed used :
-  put the working screenRect into tSCR
- or put line 1 of the working screenRects into tSCR

2010/1/13 Larry Snider <sniderl at gmail.com>:
> I'm trying to anchor a card to the bottom left corner of the screen
> but I want to dynamically determine the screen size, card size, etc
> and then change it's location.
>
> When doing something like this I sometimes get "coordinate is not a
> point" errors at run time...but not all the time, mind you. ?Putting
> numbers in the coordinate position of bottomLeft works but not using a
> variable.
>
> Can anyone guide me on the proper way to snap a card to the edge of
> the screen? ?I'd like to add the option to choose which corner to
> anchor to but if variables in the coordinates are sketchy I won't.
> ;-)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Larry

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 17:30:32 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:30:32 +0100
Subject: Opening a doc in a cd or fld
In-Reply-To: <C773A73B.2459%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001050611i5918f6fy7e617add29c0d768@mail.gmail.com>
	<C773A73B.2459%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001131430x37d8f710q6925f0cb0725a8e2@mail.gmail.com>

You're welcome, it's really nothing.
For the next time I will turn off my screen 8)

2010/1/13 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>:
> Thanks, to all looks like it wouldn't work.
> Hershel


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 13 17:53:59 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:53:59 -0600
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>

Larry Snider wrote:

> I get the following error no matter which method I use.
> 
> card "card id 1002": execution error at line n/a (Object: coordinate
> is not a point) near "0,1020"

If the error says "line n/a", the compiler can't identify the line 
number, and probably something else is wrong. I wouldn't trust the error 
you are seeing, it could be due to something entirely different and 
you're getting a random error message.

If you make a minor change to the script (add a space or something) and 
re-compile, does it compile correctly?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 18:24:33 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:24:33 +0100
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001131524mdc295b4ma2ac060c9eafe920@mail.gmail.com>

Larry obtains  "card id 1002": execution error at line n/a (Object:
coordinate is not a point) near "0,1020".

Maybe I'm wrong but it is possible that the compiler is limited to the
first line of the content of a variable when it returns the error.
In fact RR would say to Larry that "0,1020&return&1024,0,2034,800" is
not a point. But the compiler try to keep the secret.

So Larry could consider to turn off its second screen (and if it
greater than mine, send it to me by mail), or use screenRect instead
of screenRects ;)

2010/1/13 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> Larry Snider wrote:
>
>> I get the following error no matter which method I use.
>>
>> card "card id 1002": execution error at line n/a (Object: coordinate
>> is not a point) near "0,1020"
>
> If the error says "line n/a", the compiler can't identify the line number,
> and probably something else is wrong. I wouldn't trust the error you are
> seeing, it could be due to something entirely different and you're getting a
> random error message.
>
> If you make a minor change to the script (add a space or something) and
> re-compile, does it compile correctly?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 18:31:49 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:31:49 -0500
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <C220C1CC-A512-41CC-BB6E-FBAC0C2139FC@inria.fr>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
	<4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
	<723D7518-EDA3-4190-B253-1D11195A923E@numericable.com>
	<4B4DA942.1020005@gmail.com>
	<C220C1CC-A512-41CC-BB6E-FBAC0C2139FC@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <6225A264-960A-4E90-9B40-232F317BDBFD@gmail.com>

I'm still stuck on the original challenge....

My mind keeps coming up blank.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jan 13, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

>
> Le 13 janv. 10 ? 12:06, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
>> On 13/01/2010 12:57, Ren? Micout wrote:
>>> I propose (it is not easy) :
>>> "Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barri?re du langage"
>>> Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
>>> Fran?ais (ou francophones) d'autres propositions ?
>>>
>>> Le 13 janv. 2010 ? 11:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>>>
>>>
>>>> entre vos mots et mes mots nous avons un mur trop dure! [Come on,  
>>>> correct my French!]
>>>>
>>
>
> Bonjour,
> As for me, I would just remove the "e" after "dure" in the sentence  
> above ("mur" is masculine) ;-))
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
>
> Andr?
>
>> Non!
>>
>> Possiblement:
>>
>> Entre vos miens, mes miens et des mots, il y a une barri?re du sens.
>>
>> Et, c'est sure a ce moment ici nous avons une salade des  
>> miens . . .  :)
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 13 18:48:55 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:48:55 -0600
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <6225A264-960A-4E90-9B40-232F317BDBFD@gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>	<4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>	<723D7518-EDA3-4190-B253-1D11195A923E@numericable.com>	<4B4DA942.1020005@gmail.com>	<C220C1CC-A512-41CC-BB6E-FBAC0C2139FC@inria.fr>
	<6225A264-960A-4E90-9B40-232F317BDBFD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E5BE7.5030007@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Brigham MD wrote:
> I'm still stuck on the original challenge....
> 
> My mind keeps coming up blank.

Must mean it's a meditational challenge then. If so, you're doing fine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From runrev at gmx.com  Wed Jan 13 18:51:42 2010
From: runrev at gmx.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>


I am very sorry, apparently this list does not like HTML emails, so I now see
my first email was blank! Glad to see that it nevertheless sparked the
creativity of the group!

Now that I am famous for my minimalist approach, here is the lengthy email I
*meant* to send:

Hello all, I have an interesting challenge:

I have a standalone that a user downloads by clicking a button on a download
web page. My conundrum is, I would like the standalone to know from what
website the user originated when they clicked a link to jump to the download
page.

For example, let's say http://bob.com has a link that says "Go download this
thing now!", and the link on Bob's web page is something like:
http://thedownloadsite.com/downloadpage.html?referrer=bob

It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the information
that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the Revolution
standalone know about Bob?


Here are a few options my feeble brain has been considering:

1. Have the landing page write a cookie to the drive, then have Rev scan all
browsers on the computer for the cookie? (no, sounds really dicey,
permission privilege problems?)

2. Have Rev somehow read the URL in the browser (no, days could have elapsed
before they launch the standalone, won't work)

3. Revlet (no, we can't make the user install two things)

4. a secret text file gets generated and downloaded to the drive along with
the standalone, the standalone finds it, reads it and deletes it? (no, the
user might be confused and delete it before they launch the standalone)

5. make different standalones for the dozens or hundreds of potential
referrers (no, way too much trouble)

6. give them a code to type into the standalone, or choose who sent them
from a menu (no, they'll forget)

7. make sure they don't forget by offering a discount (no, client said no
discounts)

8. capture the user IP and tie it to Bob with code on the landing page (no,
several people in an office (same IP) might be doing this at the same time,
no way to distinguish between them)

9. ask them for their email address on the landing page before downloading
and link their email and bob in a database (yes, this will work, but it is a
last resort, because some people will resent the trouble and not download)


How can the standalone link the user and Bob, who sent them? Is this an
impossibility? Or is it very simple and I can't see what is right in front
of my face?


Thanks in advance for any ideas,

Derek
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 19:12:53 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <421990.82651.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Have a string in a hidden field in your binary standalone that we call "PUT_REFERER_HERE" 

When the request comes in replace that string with the web page referer in the binary standalone.

If the binary is compressed it will be trickier. I'm sure someone on the forum will show us the way.



--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Derek <runrev at gmx.com> wrote:

> From: Derek <runrev at gmx.com>
> Subject: Re: an interesting challenge
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 5:51 PM
> 
> I am very sorry, apparently this list does not like HTML
> emails, so I now see
> my first email was blank! Glad to see that it nevertheless
> sparked the
> creativity of the group!
> 
> Now that I am famous for my minimalist approach, here is
> the lengthy email I
> *meant* to send:
> 
> Hello all, I have an interesting challenge:
> 
> I have a standalone that a user downloads by clicking a
> button on a download
> web page. My conundrum is, I would like the standalone to
> know from what
> website the user originated when they clicked a link to
> jump to the download
> page.
> 
> For example, let's say http://bob.com has a link that says "Go
> download this
> thing now!", and the link on Bob's web page is something
> like:
> http://thedownloadsite.com/downloadpage.html?referrer=bob
> 
> It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get
> the information
> that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the
> Revolution
> standalone know about Bob?
> 
> 
> Here are a few options my feeble brain has been
> considering:
> 
> 1. Have the landing page write a cookie to the drive, then
> have Rev scan all
> browsers on the computer for the cookie? (no, sounds really
> dicey,
> permission privilege problems?)
> 
> 2. Have Rev somehow read the URL in the browser (no, days
> could have elapsed
> before they launch the standalone, won't work)
> 
> 3. Revlet (no, we can't make the user install two things)
> 
> 4. a secret text file gets generated and downloaded to the
> drive along with
> the standalone, the standalone finds it, reads it and
> deletes it? (no, the
> user might be confused and delete it before they launch the
> standalone)
> 
> 5. make different standalones for the dozens or hundreds of
> potential
> referrers (no, way too much trouble)
> 
> 6. give them a code to type into the standalone, or choose
> who sent them
> from a menu (no, they'll forget)
> 
> 7. make sure they don't forget by offering a discount (no,
> client said no
> discounts)
> 
> 8. capture the user IP and tie it to Bob with code on the
> landing page (no,
> several people in an office (same IP) might be doing this
> at the same time,
> no way to distinguish between them)
> 
> 9. ask them for their email address on the landing page
> before downloading
> and link their email and bob in a database (yes, this will
> work, but it is a
> last resort, because some people will resent the trouble
> and not download)
> 
> 
> How can the standalone link the user and Bob, who sent
> them? Is this an
> impossibility? Or is it very simple and I can't see what is
> right in front
> of my face?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any ideas,
> 
> Derek
> -- 
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> Nabble.com.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 13 19:14:44 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:14:44 -0600
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001131524mdc295b4ma2ac060c9eafe920@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001131524mdc295b4ma2ac060c9eafe920@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E61F4.30004@hyperactivesw.com>

zryip theSlug wrote:
> Larry obtains  "card id 1002": execution error at line n/a (Object:
> coordinate is not a point) near "0,1020".
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong but it is possible that the compiler is limited to the
> first line of the content of a variable when it returns the error.

The line number should point to the line of his script that has the 
error, not the line in the variable. If the compiler doesn't know which 
script line has the error, it seems like a compiler problem. But...

> In fact RR would say to Larry that "0,1020&return&1024,0,2034,800" is
> not a point. But the compiler try to keep the secret.

True, although "item 4" would be "1020&return&0" -- which isn't a valid 
point either. We need to know if he has multiple monitors.

> So Larry could consider to turn off its second screen (and if it
> greater than mine, send it to me by mail), or use screenRect instead
> of screenRects ;)

Right. Or use "item 4 of line 1" instead.

But the line number in the error message should not be "n/a" in any 
case. There is something wrong there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan 13 19:19:06 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:19:06 +1100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C774AE2A.89D8%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 14/01/10 10:51 AM, "Derek" <runrev at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> 4. a secret text file gets generated and downloaded to the drive along with
> the standalone, the standalone finds it, reads it and deletes it? (no, the
> user might be confused and delete it before they launch the standalone)

There was some discussion over the last couple of days about the potential
evils of Flash shared objects but I guess you could use them to your
advantage in this case. If you included a small Flash object on the
referring page that created a shared object with a name that reflected its
relationship to both your standalone and the host website then you could get
the downloaded Rev standalone to check for its existence amongst all the
other shared objects when it started up for the first time.

Still far from ideal and will definitely fail if the user downloads on one
computer and installs on another. Seems like what you really want is a
server-based routine that packages (zips) the standalone with a text file
containing the required information on the fly and delivers the customised
version to the user.

Terry...



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 13 19:25:21 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:25:21 -0600
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E6471.2080303@hyperactivesw.com>

Derek wrote:
> I am very sorry, apparently this list does not like HTML emails, so I now see
> my first email was blank! Glad to see that it nevertheless sparked the
> creativity of the group!

Well, I for one am sorry you've disrupted our fun. Hmph. :)

> I have a standalone that a user downloads by clicking a button on a download
> web page. My conundrum is, I would like the standalone to know from what
> website the user originated when they clicked a link to jump to the download
> page.
> 
> For example, let's say http://bob.com has a link that says "Go download this
> thing now!", and the link on Bob's web page is something like:
> http://thedownloadsite.com/downloadpage.html?referrer=bob
> 
> It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the information
> that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the Revolution
> standalone know about Bob?

One thought: PHP gets the info and sends it to the download server via a 
POST action to a CGI on the download server. The download server's CGI 
parses the parameters and writes the info to a file or database. When 
the standalone launches on a user's machine, it does a "get URL" of the 
CGI on the download server, which looks up the data and returns it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 13 19:30:33 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:30:33 -0600
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4E6471.2080303@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B4E6471.2080303@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E65A9.5000506@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the 
>> information
>> that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the Revolution
>> standalone know about Bob?
> 
> One thought: PHP gets the info and sends it to the download server via a 
> POST action to a CGI on the download server. The download server's CGI 
> parses the parameters and writes the info to a file or database. When 
> the standalone launches on a user's machine, it does a "get URL" of the 
> CGI on the download server, which looks up the data and returns it.
> 

I left out something. You need some kind of identifying info so that you 
know who to look up. So unless you require a registration, where they 
enter their name on both the server and into your standalone, this 
method won't work. :(

Do you really need to tie each copy to a specific user? Maybe just 
knowing that Bob referred 10 people and another server referred 40 is 
enough?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 13 20:38:36 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:38:36 -0800
Subject: Finding the name of a USB volume
Message-ID: <4B4E759C.8010204@fourthworld.com>

Larry Snider wrote:
> I can confirm that blkid, which is part of the e2fsprogs package, is
> part of the following distributions:
>
> CentOS release 5 (Final)
> CentOS release 5.3 (Final)
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 4)
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 (Nahant Update 7)
>
> If blkid is installed on CentOS and Redhat Enterprise Linux then more
> than likely it is on Fedora as well.
>
> You can find which distributions have the RPM/package available by
> checking RPMFind.net.
>
> http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=blkid&submit=Search+...&system=&arch=

Thanks, Larry.  I found that it's included with Ubuntu also.

--
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Jan 13 11:45:17 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:45:17 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Scratch Pad, Minimize, Multiple Instances for tRev
In-Reply-To: <6DF1DAF6-4415-4D2B-BFE6-0BDC9B7BF8C5@me.com>
References: <6449A5E6-6336-4B34-9197-B50F061343E5@me.com>
	<6E4F8DB6-9749-488E-9AC7-632DE28FAD1E@inria.fr>
	<6DF1DAF6-4415-4D2B-BFE6-0BDC9B7BF8C5@me.com>
Message-ID: <67B894D0-3B55-4845-BB14-C36BE20F68BA@inria.fr>


Le 13 janv. 10 ? 16:34, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :

> Andre,
>
> Glad to hear you're enjoying tRev so much. I, too, love to drag my  
> handlers around...moving them to new folders, positioning them in a  
> way that makes sense to me, and even moving them to new objects via  
> tabs. I think the Scratch Pad will be another breakthrough like that.
>
> Here's how to download the latest version:
>
> If you go to http://reveditor.com and look at the right side of the  
> page you will see a box with a dinosaur bursting out of it. Below it  
> are short descriptive paragraphs with links in them. One of them says:
>
> Download tRev: OS X or Vista!
> Need reg code for first launch.

Jerry,
May be I need new spectacles ;-))) I believed I had read these  
paragraphs! but I missed the good one.
Thank you for your help.

All is OK now "I got it" ;-)

And I am already using the Scratch Pad: seems very useful to organize  
one's work

Amiti?s
Andr?
>
> Both OS X and Vista are links. Click them to download.
>
> I have considered making a big download button, but I don't want to  
> give the impression that there is a trial version of the product,  
> etc. And the truth is, we rarely update the tRev app itself, but, as  
> you know, we do weekly component updates. tRev has lots of little  
> components that can be updated in situ without restarting tRev, etc.
>
> So I may make a large pair buttons or something. Have fun with the  
> new version.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> The latest Rev Editor Video:
> http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-leave-bookmarks-in-handler-lis
>





From runrev at gmx.com  Wed Jan 13 21:41:22 2010
From: runrev at gmx.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:41:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4E65A9.5000506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B4E6471.2080303@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4B4E65A9.5000506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1263436882762-1013562.post@n4.nabble.com>




J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the 
>>> information
>>> that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the Revolution
>>> standalone know about Bob?
>> 
>> One thought: PHP gets the info and sends it to the download server via a 
>> POST action to a CGI on the download server. The download server's CGI 
>> parses the parameters and writes the info to a file or database. When 
>> the standalone launches on a user's machine, it does a "get URL" of the 
>> CGI on the download server, which looks up the data and returns it.
>> 
> 
> I left out something. You need some kind of identifying info so that you 
> know who to look up. So unless you require a registration, where they 
> enter their name on both the server and into your standalone, this 
> method won't work. :(
> 
> That was my last resort -- option #9!
> 
> Do you really need to tie each copy to a specific user? Maybe just 
> knowing that Bob referred 10 people and another server referred 40 is 
> enough?
> 
> In this project, I do need to match incoming users to referrers.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan 13 21:53:35 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:53:35 +1100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <1263436882762-1013562.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C774D25F.89E2%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

A challenge within a challenge.

Terry...

On 14/01/10 1:41 PM, "Derek" <runrev at gmx.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>>> It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the
>>>> information
>>>> that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the Revolution
>>>> standalone know about Bob?
>>> 
>>> One thought: PHP gets the info and sends it to the download server via a
>>> POST action to a CGI on the download server. The download server's CGI
>>> parses the parameters and writes the info to a file or database. When
>>> the standalone launches on a user's machine, it does a "get URL" of the
>>> CGI on the download server, which looks up the data and returns it.
>>> 
>> 
>> I left out something. You need some kind of identifying info so that you
>> know who to look up. So unless you require a registration, where they
>> enter their name on both the server and into your standalone, this
>> method won't work. :(
>> 
>> That was my last resort -- option #9!
>> 
>> Do you really need to tie each copy to a specific user? Maybe just
>> knowing that Bob referred 10 people and another server referred 40 is
>> enough?
>> 
>> In this project, I do need to match incoming users to referrers.
>> 
>> -- 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 22:47:27 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:47:27 +0900
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to connect a USB dance-pad to my PC and then make a stack
that does game-type stuff with the signals sent in by the dance-pad.
But I don't know if Rev can read in signals other than from the mouse
or keyboard.

Anyone know if and how this can be done... or perhaps have even
actually done it?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From runrev at gmx.com  Wed Jan 13 22:57:01 2010
From: runrev at gmx.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:57:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <C774AE2A.89D8%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C774AE2A.89D8%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1263441421054-1013581.post@n4.nabble.com>




Terry Judd wrote:
> 
> On 14/01/10 10:51 AM, "Derek" <runrev at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 4. a secret text file gets generated and downloaded to the drive along
>> with
>> the standalone, the standalone finds it, reads it and deletes it? (no,
>> the
>> user might be confused and delete it before they launch the standalone)
> 
> There was some discussion over the last couple of days about the potential
> evils of Flash shared objects but I guess you could use them to your
> advantage in this case. If you included a small Flash object on the
> referring page that created a shared object with a name that reflected its
> relationship to both your standalone and the host website then you could
> get
> the downloaded Rev standalone to check for its existence amongst all the
> other shared objects when it started up for the first time.
> 
> Would that be better than a browser cookie? Would I still have to scan all
> the browser folders on their computer?
> 
> 
> 
> Still far from ideal and will definitely fail if the user downloads on one
> computer and installs on another. Seems like what you really want is a
> server-based routine that packages (zips) the standalone with a text file
> containing the required information on the fly and delivers the customised
> version to the user.
> 
> That is a great suggestion... then all Revolution needs to do is search
> their whole hard drive for the file (different people choose to download
> things to different places), and hopefully not run into permissions
> problems, and hopefully the user won't delete it before launching the
> standalone.
> 
> Maybe the best available option...
> 
> Terry...
> 
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan 13 23:47:05 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:47:05 +1100
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <1263441421054-1013581.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C774ECF9.89EA%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 14/01/10 2:57 PM, "Derek" <runrev at gmx.com> wrote:

I think we're running into problems with indents so hopefully this remains
readable...

>> There was some discussion over the last couple of days about the potential
>> evils of Flash shared objects but I guess you could use them to your
>> advantage in this case. If you included a small Flash object on the
>> referring page that created a shared object with a name that reflected its
>> relationship to both your standalone and the host website then you could
>> get the downloaded Rev standalone to check for its existence amongst all the
>> other shared objects when it started up for the first time.
>> 
>Would that be better than a browser cookie? Would I still have to scan all the
>browser folders on their computer?

There are designated (platform specific) locations for shared objects to be
stored (check the mail archives for the last few days because I'm sure
someone posted them previously) so you wouldn't need to do much scanning -
some relatively simple code within a switch statement based on the platform
and systemversion functions and utilising the defaultfolder property should
do the trick.
 
>> Still far from ideal and will definitely fail if the user downloads on one
>> computer and installs on another. Seems like what you really want is a
>> server-based routine that packages (zips) the standalone with a text file
>> containing the required information on the fly and delivers the customised
>> version to the user.
>> 
> That is a great suggestion... then all Revolution needs to do is search
> their whole hard drive for the file (different people choose to download
> things to different places), and hopefully not run into permissions
> problems, and hopefully the user won't delete it before launching the
> standalone.
> 

Well if your program consists of a folder containing the application and
various other folders/components then I don't think you'd have any problem
with an additional (temporary) text file getting 'lost' or the application
finding the file when it first launched. If however your program has to
consist of the application and nothing else then you'd need to somehow write
the info into the application on the server side before you zip it for
download. I guess this would be relatively straightforward for Mac apps as
they are folders anyway but not sure how you'd go about it with Win apps.
Perhaps you could find a bit of redundant/little used text within the binary
code (there are bits and pieces that are human readable) that you could
write your string to for later extraction.

Terry...





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 02:33:26 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:33:26 +1000
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to connect a USB dance-pad to my PC and then make a stack
> that does game-type stuff with the signals sent in by the dance-pad.
> But I don't know if Rev can read in signals other than from the mouse
> or keyboard.


I would guess this sort of device functions like a trackpad or joystick.
My recommendation would be to plug it in and do stuff while tracking
rawKey messages.

Cheers,
Sarah


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 14 03:45:59 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:45:59 +0100
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2767438-FF52-4F41-A961-422BCF4D9A18@numericable.com>

Hello,
I have a musical keyboard (Axis 49 : http://www.c-thru-music.com/cgi/?page=prod_axis-49) plugged by USB (on the Macintosh keyboard) witch work on GarageBand > rawKey messages on RunRev > nothing !  :-(
I am very interested by this question...
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 14 janv. 2010 ? 08:33, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to connect a USB dance-pad to my PC and then make a stack
>> that does game-type stuff with the signals sent in by the dance-pad.
>> But I don't know if Rev can read in signals other than from the mouse
>> or keyboard.
> 
> 
> I would guess this sort of device functions like a trackpad or joystick.
> My recommendation would be to plug it in and do stuff while tracking
> rawKey messages.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 05:08:10 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:08:10 +0000
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001140208r68cc3c25j1f755569ead94916@mail.gmail.com>

That's interesting.  Whenever I've tried to run the Rev IDE under WINE
on Fedora or Mandriva, any buttons with images are just black squares.

Bernard

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody, just wanted to let the group know (incase somebody would have
> some interest) ?that I tried my stand alone (win) App on PC-BSD (a gui on
> freebsd)(KDE GUI for various platforms) ?running in Wine, and runs very
> descent.
> Had one interesting behavior that 2 out of 4 DataGrids had a complete
> background, trying to figure out why.
>
> Hershel Fisch
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 05:13:24 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:13:24 +0200
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <D2767438-FF52-4F41-A961-422BCF4D9A18@numericable.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2767438-FF52-4F41-A961-422BCF4D9A18@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <4B4EEE44.6070903@gmail.com>


> Hello,
> I have a musical keyboard (Axis 49 : http://www.c-thru-music.com/cgi/?page=prod_axis-49) plugged by USB (on the Macintosh keyboard) witch work on GarageBand>  rawKey messages on RunRev>  nothing !  :-(
> I am very interested by this question...
> Bons souvenirs de Paris
> Ren?
>
> Le 14 janv. 2010 ? 08:33, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
>
>    
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Nicolas Cueto<niconiko at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> I'd like to connect a USB dance-pad to my PC and then make a stack
>>> that does game-type stuff with the signals sent in by the dance-pad.
>>> But I don't know if Rev can read in signals other than from the mouse
>>> or keyboard.
>>>        
>>
>> I would guess this sort of device functions like a trackpad or joystick.
>> My recommendation would be to plug it in and do stuff while tracking
>> rawKey messages.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>>      

I have used a Belkin Nostromo Gamepad n52 for about 3 years as a 
programming aid
to stop me getting sore wrists.

All USB devices will send some sort of keyDown signals and/or pointer 
movements
to the system; as long as you can interpret those keyDowns inside your 
stack there is
no earthly reason why your USB device won't work with RunRev.

sincerely, Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 05:15:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:15:16 +0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001140208r68cc3c25j1f755569ead94916@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001140208r68cc3c25j1f755569ead94916@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4EEEB4.1070707@gmail.com>

On 14/01/2010 12:08, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> That's interesting.  Whenever I've tried to run the Rev IDE under WINE
> on Fedora or Mandriva, any buttons with images are just black squares.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Hershel Fisch<hershrev at syp2u4c.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Hi everybody, just wanted to let the group know (incase somebody would have
>> some interest)  that I tried my stand alone (win) App on PC-BSD (a gui on
>> freebsd)(KDE GUI for various platforms)  running in Wine, and runs very
>> descent.
>> Had one interesting behavior that 2 out of 4 DataGrids had a complete
>> background, trying to figure out why.
>>
>> Hershel Fisch
>>
>>      
Why would you want to run a Windows standalone under WINE on Linux when
it is perfectly possible to make a Linux standalone?

Sorry for asking what seems to me a blazingly obvious question . . . but!


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Jan 14 05:19:50 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:19:50 +0000
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <D3ADB20C-F26A-4538-B162-7931025D70F1@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Have you tried installing the Linux version of Rev on PC-BSD? I run  
the system, but not for development, and am wondering if the Linux  
compatibility layer may be a better option. Unless you're trying to  
do something else...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:27, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi everybody, just wanted to let the group know (incase somebody  
> would have
> some interest)  that I tried my stand alone (win) App on PC-BSD (a  
> gui on
> freebsd)(KDE GUI for various platforms)  running in Wine, and runs  
> very
> descent.
> Had one interesting behavior that 2 out of 4 DataGrids had a complete
> background, trying to figure out why.
>
> Hershel Fisch
>
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 14 05:18:12 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:18:12 +0100
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4B4EEE44.6070903@gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4B4EEE44.6070903@gmail.com>
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Richmond,
I agree, but how can we pass messages from system to RunRev ?

Le 14 janv. 2010 ? 11:13, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
> All USB devices will send some sort of keyDown signals and/or pointer movements
> to the system; as long as you can interpret those keyDowns inside your stack there is
> no earthly reason why your USB device won't work with RunRev.



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jan 14 05:20:37 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:20:37 +0100
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001140208r68cc3c25j1f755569ead94916@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001140208r68cc3c25j1f755569ead94916@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D109080F-DC2D-4F21-A435-BF13C9B8C5CF@economy-x-talk.com>

Same here: black shapes everywhere. Has something changed in either a  
recent version of Wine or in Rev 4.x? It would be every interesting to  
know.

Did you make a standalone with any images, Hershel?

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Op 14 jan 2010, om 11:08 heeft Bernard Devlin het volgende geschreven:

> That's interesting.  Whenever I've tried to run the Rev IDE under WINE
> on Fedora or Mandriva, any buttons with images are just black squares.
>
> Bernard
>



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Jan 14 05:51:14 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:51:14 +0000
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4B4EEE44.6070903@gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2767438-FF52-4F41-A961-422BCF4D9A18@numericable.com>
	<4B4EEE44.6070903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51F1BF60-B9D4-4E4F-AD80-AD7DB4EC093D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 14 Jan 2010, at 10:13, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> All USB devices will send some sort of keyDown signals and/or pointer movements
> to the system; as long as you can interpret those keyDowns inside your stack there is
> no earthly reason why your USB device won't work with RunRev.

I don't think that's right. Each USB device identifies what "class" of device it is, and the host device (computer) loads the appropriate driver. One such class is Human Interface Device which covers keyboards, mice, etc. If the device is of that class, then you should be able to get key messages. But there are other classes (Audio, Communications, Vendor Specific, etc.) where key messages probably aren't sent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Device_classes

Cheers
Dave

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 06:17:36 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:17:36 +0200
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <51F1BF60-B9D4-4E4F-AD80-AD7DB4EC093D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52861001132333s48c77123q1b9ba0f59547546c@mail.gmail.com>	<D2767438-FF52-4F41-A961-422BCF4D9A18@numericable.com>	<4B4EEE44.6070903@gmail.com>
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On 14/01/2010 12:51, Dave Cragg wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2010, at 10:13, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>    
>> All USB devices will send some sort of keyDown signals and/or pointer movements
>> to the system; as long as you can interpret those keyDowns inside your stack there is
>> no earthly reason why your USB device won't work with RunRev.
>>      
> I don't think that's right. Each USB device identifies what "class" of device it is, and the host device (computer) loads the appropriate driver. One such class is Human Interface Device which covers keyboards, mice, etc. If the device is of that class, then you should be able to get key messages. But there are other classes (Audio, Communications, Vendor Specific, etc.) where key messages probably aren't sent.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Device_classes
>
>    
Yes, you are right; I'm sorry, I was thinking only of the class of USB 
devices such as:

Mice,
Keyboards,
Gamepads.
Dancepads,
Trackballs,
Joysticks,
Steering wheels,
Foot pedals,

and so on (data entry USB devices - I suppose).

The situation ca be complicated; for instance

my Belkin Nostromo n52 (now obsolete, but c.f.  
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=390404 )
requires settings to be set outwith the target program before it can 
interact with that program.

I had to set up a settings file called "Revolution" using the Nostromo 
Preference Pane (Mac OS X) so that
when I pressed button 06 it would paste from the clipboard.

If you are 'just' developing your stack for your own use then you should 
have no problems, but, in the
case of authoring for other end users who may have USB devices with 
user-editable settings you will
be up a gum tree.

Apart from my 'blah' above; the thing to know is whether your target USB 
device has USER-EDITABLE settings.


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 14 07:27:44 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:27:44 -0500
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
Message-ID: <AAB142CA-CD4F-4695-81F8-DFB9876250AF@wehostmacs.com>

Sorry Richmond but it should not matter about user definable keys or  
not, as the device driver should be monitoring that and then sending  
the appropriate message to the receiving applications..

In theory you can get an external to listen to the messages sent by  
the system, but as demonstrated in my recent external there are issues  
(on the Mac anyways) with the compiled application engine and  
listening for (some?) external events..


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 07:49:01 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:49:01 +0100
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4B4E61F4.30004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001131524mdc295b4ma2ac060c9eafe920@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4E61F4.30004@hyperactivesw.com>
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2010/1/14 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>> Larry obtains ?"card id 1002": execution error at line n/a (Object:
>> coordinate is not a point) near "0,1020".
>>
>> Maybe I'm wrong but it is possible that the compiler is limited to the
>> first line of the content of a variable when it returns the error.
>
> The line number should point to the line of his script that has the error,
> not the line in the variable. If the compiler doesn't know which script line
> has the error, it seems like a compiler problem. But...

I wanted to point here that the content of the variable returned by
the compiler is truncated. I had not in mind that the compiler was not
able to determine where the error occured.

More I think to that more I believe that the two things are linked.
Surely I'm totally wrong in the interpretation of how the compiler
could operate, but it possible that because the variable which cause
problem is composed by more than one line, it's confused the scope of
the compiler because it can found the correct line between two lines.

It could be interresting that the compiler indicates somehow a
variable is truncated to help the debugging. Maybe an improvement to
bring in a future version of RR.

>
>> In fact RR would say to Larry that "0,1020&return&1024,0,2034,800" is
>> not a point. But the compiler try to keep the secret.
>
> True, although "item 4" would be "1020&return&0" -- which isn't a valid
> point either. We need to know if he has multiple monitors.

Yes it's true. Thanks to correct me Jacque. However when I tested it's
well 1020&return&1024 that I obtained.
It seems that "the working screenRects" takes care the direction in
which the first monitor is extended to the second.

> But the line number in the error message should not be "n/a" in any case.
> There is something wrong there.

Really

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Thu Jan 14 08:33:58 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:33:58 +0900
Subject: Debugger for On-rev
Message-ID: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp>

How do you set a break point for the debugger in the on-rev.app
for OSX? Trying to learn how to script web pages....

Thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Thu Jan 14 08:45:24 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:45:24 +0900
Subject: Debugger for On-rev
In-Reply-To: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <4B4F1FF4.5050500@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Never mind, found it through google. sorry for the noise.

Tim Selander wrote:
> How do you set a break point for the debugger in the on-rev.app
> for OSX? Trying to learn how to script web pages....
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>


From sniderl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 09:04:24 2010
From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:04:24 -0500
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001131414k5d27be2mdd92d5beacde82d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
	<64bda6471001131414k5d27be2mdd92d5beacde82d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1001140604v8bb6544me8b60971a16dd0f2@mail.gmail.com>

This was exactly the case.  The output of

put "the working screenRects :" && the working screenRects & CR into msg box
put "the screenRects :" && the screenRects & CR into msg box

is

the working screen Rects : 0,0,1680,1020
1680,24,2960,824
the screenRects : 0,0,1680,1050
1680,24,2960,824


So putting "line 1 of" ... in there worked like it was supposed to
work.  That also makes sense that the compiler could not identify the
line since it was multi-lined data.  However, the compiler's code
should be changed to account for this, as well as the
documentation/dictionary.

Larry


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> How many screens have you when it's works or not ?
>
> If more than one the working screenRects will return you as many lines
> as you have screens.
> That's means that item 4 will contains item 4 of the rect of your
> first screen and all the other screen rect behind. Take a look to your
> variable tSCR on the debugger and count how many lines you have. I'm
> sure that more than one;)
>
> Insteed used :
> - ?put the working screenRect into tSCR
> - or put line 1 of the working screenRects into tSCR
>
> 2010/1/13 Larry Snider <sniderl at gmail.com>:
>> I'm trying to anchor a card to the bottom left corner of the screen
>> but I want to dynamically determine the screen size, card size, etc
>> and then change it's location.
>>
>> When doing something like this I sometimes get "coordinate is not a
>> point" errors at run time...but not all the time, mind you. ?Putting
>> numbers in the coordinate position of bottomLeft works but not using a
>> variable.
>>
>> Can anyone guide me on the proper way to snap a card to the edge of
>> the screen? ?I'd like to add the option to choose which corner to
>> anchor to but if variables in the coordinates are sketchy I won't.
>> ;-)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Larry
>
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 14 09:40:10 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:40:10 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.5.1
Message-ID: <F7E8A495-8CA1-4370-AFBE-FC1AB68C53CE@wehostmacs.com>

Just a small update, pretty much only good for 2.8 users

- fixed some issues with the demo stack
- added proxy menus for Revolution 2.8 compiled applications (see below)
- discovered that ssRegisterForVolumeEvents and  
ssRegisterForHotKeyEvents work in Revolution 2.8 compiled applications  
as well

More information and download at < http://shaosean.tk/ >


I am not certain what happened after 2.8 but it seems something not  
good happened to the engine (both the IDE one and the compiled app  
one)..

Why proxy menus do not work past 2.8
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8350

Why the two events do no work in compiled apps
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8489


-Sean


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Jan 14 09:49:16 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:49:16 -0800
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>

> I'd like to connect a USB dance-pad to my PC and then make a 
> stack that does game-type stuff with the signals sent in by 
> the dance-pad.
> But I don't know if Rev can read in signals other than from 
> the mouse or keyboard.
> 
> Anyone know if and how this can be done... or perhaps have 
> even actually done it?

Someone poke Phil Davis, he's the king of Rev and USB and done some very
interesting work.

Some makers do produce SDKs for use with the device, though a lot of them
are for C++ developers. If it does have such an SDK, it may be possible to
write a Revolution external.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 14 11:15:48 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:15:48 +0100
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>

Another boon is that usb developers are lazy (like all developers). Thus they often use some standard lib for their device, especially if it isn't a network adapter or other exotic device. 

and the most standardised libs are:
disk space (USB memory stick or HD)
user interface (mouses, keyboard, ...)
serial over usb

so it might be worth a shot to check the drivernames when you connect your device or before and after you install relevant drivers...

of course this is pretty much a shot into the dark...
bjoernke


-- 

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Chat with other RunRev developers:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 14 11:19:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:19:49 -0600
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001140449r19ff01d9w7af96262803695f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>	<64bda6471001131524mdc295b4ma2ac060c9eafe920@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4E61F4.30004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001140449r19ff01d9w7af96262803695f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4F4425.90306@hyperactivesw.com>

zryip theSlug wrote:
> However when I tested it's
> well 1020&return&1024 that I obtained.
> It seems that "the working screenRects" takes care the direction in
> which the first monitor is extended to the second.

You're right. I don't have two monitors connected so I guessed wrong. I 
think Larry should send his extra monitor to me instead of you. :)

Congratulations on correctly diagnosing the problem.

> 
>> But the line number in the error message should not be "n/a" in any case.
>> There is something wrong there.
> 
> Really

Well, just to make things more interesting, I got the same "n/a" error 
yesterday in one of my own scripts. I had changed only a single line and 
that was the one which was broken but the compiler didn't know it. 
Something has changed in recent versions of the Rev engine, I think.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 14 12:39:23 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:39:23 -0800
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1001140604v8bb6544me8b60971a16dd0f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77496CB.471D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Larry Snider wrote:

> the working screen Rects : 0,0,1680,1020
> 1680,24,2960,824
> the screenRects : 0,0,1680,1050
> 1680,24,2960,824
> 
> 
> So putting "line 1 of" ... in there worked like it was supposed to
> work.  That also makes sense that the compiler could not identify the
> line since it was multi-lined data.  However, the compiler's code
> should be changed to account for this, as well as the
> documentation/dictionary.

FWIW, if you use screenRect (singular), you get a single line for the
primary display.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From sniderl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 12:43:39 2010
From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:43:39 -0500
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <C77496CB.471D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001140604v8bb6544me8b60971a16dd0f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77496CB.471D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1001140943o7337973flfb500911f761fd94@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, that's good to know!

Thanks.

Larry

On Thursday, January 14, 2010, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> Recently, Larry Snider wrote:
>
>> the working screen Rects : 0,0,1680,1020
>> 1680,24,2960,824
>> the screenRects : 0,0,1680,1050
>> 1680,24,2960,824
>>
>>
>> So putting "line 1 of" ... in there worked like it was supposed to
>> work. ?That also makes sense that the compiler could not identify the
>> line since it was multi-lined data. ?However, the compiler's code
>> should be changed to account for this, as well as the
>> documentation/dictionary.
>
> FWIW, if you use screenRect (singular), you get a single line for the
> primary display.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Jan 14 12:45:49 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:45:49 -0600
Subject: [ANN] tRev Gets Better PDF Docs,
	Enhanced Scratch Pad Editing (video)
Message-ID: <865862BD-A7C9-42AC-98A6-D443AD44D44A@me.com>

tRev users,

We have just updated the documentation for tRev to accomodate the new  
Scratch Pad feature with its new window style and multi-instance  
architecture. Here's the link to a page with links to the Quickstart  
guide and the Shortcuts.

     http://reveditor.com/trev-quickstart-shortcuts-now-on-iworkcom

These nice little PDFs are hosted on iWork.com and view really well,  
let you download them or print them. Best of all, there is no log-in  
of any sort required.

We've also enhanced the Scratch Pad editing process so that it's done  
directly--without the inconvenience of a separate editor. I have a  
super-short video showing how to edit and annotate your links in the  
Scratch Pad. Here's the link:

     http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-enhancement

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers



From alex at a2technology.com  Thu Jan 14 12:56:50 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:56:50 -0800
Subject: PostgreSQL help
Message-ID: <C7749AE2.1027A%alex@a2technology.com>

I have successfully setup a runRev application to work with PosgreSQL on
localhost of the same machine that is running the runRev app (OS X).

Now I am ready to connect to a fresh PostgreSQL install on a Vista machine
on the LAN.  I am trying to use Navicat to move the database from the
localhost to the new server installation.  I can?t make the connection.  I
can ping from one machine to the other, but I can?t get a response from
Postgres.  The services are running.  Any ideas as to what might be wrong?

I know that this is a very basic question with a lot of variables to the
specific installations here, but I need to learn how to do this smoothly and
easily.  I expect to host many, many of these Postgres database on hosted
installations, perhaps virtual servers, on the net.

Any guidance would be appreciated and any reference works for my education
would be appreciated also.  I am an experienced database user.  I am
familiar with MS SQL Server, Openbase, Frontbase, and SQLite.  This is my
first time with Postgres.

Thanks,
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com



From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 14 13:08:25 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:08:25 +0100
Subject: PostgreSQL help
In-Reply-To: <C7749AE2.1027A%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C7749AE2.1027A%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <111AD69B-66D0-406B-BDFD-3475AF191C8A@free.fr>

Hi,

Did you set-up your remote PostgreSQL to accept non-localhost  
connexions too (hba.conf) ?

Best,


Le 14 janv. 10 ? 18:56, Alex Adams a ?crit :

> I have successfully setup a runRev application to work with  
> PosgreSQL on
> localhost of the same machine that is running the runRev app (OS X).
>
> Now I am ready to connect to a fresh PostgreSQL install on a Vista  
> machine
> on the LAN.  I am trying to use Navicat to move the database from the
> localhost to the new server installation.  I can?t make the  
> connection.  I
> can ping from one machine to the other, but I can?t get a response  
> from
> Postgres.  The services are running.  Any ideas as to what might be  
> wrong?
>
> I know that this is a very basic question with a lot of variables to  
> the
> specific installations here, but I need to learn how to do this  
> smoothly and
> easily.  I expect to host many, many of these Postgres database on  
> hosted
> installations, perhaps virtual servers, on the net.
>
> Any guidance would be appreciated and any reference works for my  
> education
> would be appreciated also.  I am an experienced database user.  I am
> familiar with MS SQL Server, Openbase, Frontbase, and SQLite.  This  
> is my
> first time with Postgres.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Alex Adams
>
> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>
> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-726-8013
> alex at a2tecnology.com
> www.a2technology.com
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> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jan 14 13:16:02 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:16:02 -0800
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>	<0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>
	<95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B4F5F62.3050300@pdslabs.net>

Yes, what Bj?rnke (and Dave C) said is true - in USB termonology the 
device interaction requirements are defined by the class it belongs to.

    * Mass Storage class = flash drives etc. Rev lists them in "the volumes"

    * Communications class = Bj?rnke's "serial over USB" - controller
      boards, modems etc that have a command set of their own. These
      usually have drivers that Rev lists in "the driverNames" although
      they don't always get listed. (I have a 'deviceNames()' function
      somewhere (thanks to Dar Scott and Ken Ray) that returns a more
      complete list - I'll see if I can dig it out and post it.) These
      require that you open driver / read from driver / write to driver
      / close driver. I learned a lot from Sarah Reichelt about working
      with this device type. Here is a description of her work with one
      such device:
            http://www.pdslabs.net/usb/rev-usb1.pdf

    * HID class = keyboards, mice etc.

There are about a dozen USB device classes in all, but the ones listed 
above are the ones most relevant to the current discussion.

Phil Davis




On 1/14/10 8:15 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> Another boon is that usb developers are lazy (like all developers). Thus they often use some standard lib for their device, especially if it isn't a network adapter or other exotic device.
>
> and the most standardised libs are:
> disk space (USB memory stick or HD)
> user interface (mouses, keyboard, ...)
> serial over usb
>
> so it might be worth a shot to check the drivernames when you connect your device or before and after you install relevant drivers...
>
> of course this is pretty much a shot into the dark...
> bjoernke
>
>
>    

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From alex at a2technology.com  Thu Jan 14 13:17:41 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:17:41 -0800
Subject: PostgreSQL help
In-Reply-To: <111AD69B-66D0-406B-BDFD-3475AF191C8A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <C7749FC5.10283%alex@a2technology.com>

Pierre,

Unknown.  How do I do that?

Thanks,
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com


> From: Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:08:25 +0100
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: PostgreSQL help
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you set-up your remote PostgreSQL to accept non-localhost
> connexions too (hba.conf) ?
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Le 14 janv. 10 ? 18:56, Alex Adams a ?crit :
> 
>> I have successfully setup a runRev application to work with
>> PosgreSQL on
>> localhost of the same machine that is running the runRev app (OS X).
>> 
>> Now I am ready to connect to a fresh PostgreSQL install on a Vista
>> machine
>> on the LAN.  I am trying to use Navicat to move the database from the
>> localhost to the new server installation.  I can?t make the
>> connection.  I
>> can ping from one machine to the other, but I can?t get a response
>> from
>> Postgres.  The services are running.  Any ideas as to what might be
>> wrong?
>> 
>> I know that this is a very basic question with a lot of variables to
>> the
>> specific installations here, but I need to learn how to do this
>> smoothly and
>> easily.  I expect to host many, many of these Postgres database on
>> hosted
>> installations, perhaps virtual servers, on the net.
>> 
>> Any guidance would be appreciated and any reference works for my
>> education
>> would be appreciated also.  I am an experienced database user.  I am
>> familiar with MS SQL Server, Openbase, Frontbase, and SQLite.  This
>> is my
>> first time with Postgres.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -- 
>> Alex Adams
>> 
>> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>> 
>> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>> 831-726-8013
>> alex at a2tecnology.com
>> www.a2technology.com
>> www.promisstudio.com
>> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 14 13:27:54 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:27:54 -0800
Subject: Rev + PNG Display on OS X 10.6
Message-ID: <C774A22A.471DA%scott@tactilemedia.com>

This might be useful for folks delivering image-heavy apps on Mac OS X 10.6
and later...

Apparently with Snow Leopard, Apple has changed the default gamma of the
system to 2.2 (used to be 1.8).

<http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/09/why_your_web_content_will_look_darker.
html>

I was recently throwing some PNG images on a card on Rev that looked
significantly darker than where they were created (in Photoshop), and for
the life of me could not figure out why.  I'm still searching for a reliable
way to strip the gamma information from PNG images, but after finding the
above article, I tried changing the screenGamma in Rev to 2.2 and amazingly
(or maybe expectedly) the image seems to display properly.

 set the screenGamma to 2.2

I need to do some more testing, but it appears that when delivering apps on
Snow Leopard that make heavy use of PNGs, one will need to do something to
the effect of:

 if "mac" is in platform() and systemVersion() > 10.5 then ...

Also used the following method to force refresh the display of the image:

 set text of img 1 to text of img 1

Hope this saves some head banging for other folks using images.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Jan 14 16:45:48 2010
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:45:48 -0800
Subject: Images when setting the htmlText of a field
Message-ID: <296D1861-A579-43C4-B279-1FDDA91E4B85@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings,

I've tried setting the htmlText of a fld to this html (below) both URL  
encoding the image path and by leaving in plain text (with spaces).   
Neither way displays the image.  Nonetheless, if I save this as a file  
and open it in Explorer or Safari (on my Mac) the image is displayed  
perfectly.  Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd 
">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head>
     <title>Untitled Page</title>
</head>
<body>
<span class="class1"><b>The volume of a marble is 1.8 cubic  
centimeters <img
src="http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20B
ank/Science/Grade%205%20QTI/SCI%20G5%20P4/images/mml1738861.png" />  
Which of
these tools determines density?</b></span>
</body>
</html>

From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 14 14:00:42 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:00:42 +0100
Subject: PostgreSQL help
In-Reply-To: <C7749FC5.10283%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C7749FC5.10283%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <EBF26ABD-C064-4FC8-ABCB-4FF36DA6735B@free.fr>

See inside your windows PostgreSQL directory where to find the  
Pg_hba.conf file and just add your navicat host IP as a trusted host.

<http://www.mapbender.org/Pg_hba.conf>
<http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/auth-pg-hba-conf.html>

The Pg_hba.conf file is, by default, set to accept localhost  
connexions only.

Best,

Le 14 janv. 10 ? 19:17, Alex Adams a ?crit :

> Pierre,
>
> Unknown.  How do I do that?
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Alex Adams
>
> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>
> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-726-8013
> alex at a2tecnology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> www.promisstudio.com
> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>
>
>> From: Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>
>> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:08:25 +0100
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: PostgreSQL help
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Did you set-up your remote PostgreSQL to accept non-localhost
>> connexions too (hba.conf) ?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Le 14 janv. 10 ? 18:56, Alex Adams a ?crit :
>>
>>> I have successfully setup a runRev application to work with
>>> PosgreSQL on
>>> localhost of the same machine that is running the runRev app (OS X).
>>>
>>> Now I am ready to connect to a fresh PostgreSQL install on a Vista
>>> machine
>>> on the LAN.  I am trying to use Navicat to move the database from  
>>> the
>>> localhost to the new server installation.  I can?t make the
>>> connection.  I
>>> can ping from one machine to the other, but I can?t get a response
>>> from
>>> Postgres.  The services are running.  Any ideas as to what might be
>>> wrong?
>>>
>>> I know that this is a very basic question with a lot of variables to
>>> the
>>> specific installations here, but I need to learn how to do this
>>> smoothly and
>>> easily.  I expect to host many, many of these Postgres database on
>>> hosted
>>> installations, perhaps virtual servers, on the net.
>>>
>>> Any guidance would be appreciated and any reference works for my
>>> education
>>> would be appreciated also.  I am an experienced database user.  I am
>>> familiar with MS SQL Server, Openbase, Frontbase, and SQLite.  This
>>> is my
>>> first time with Postgres.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -- 
>>> Alex Adams
>>>
>>> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>>>
>>> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>>> 831-726-8013
>>> alex at a2tecnology.com
>>> www.a2technology.com
>>> www.promisstudio.com
>>> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>>
>> www.woooooooords.com
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> subscription
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--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From alex at a2technology.com  Thu Jan 14 14:06:12 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:12 -0800
Subject: PostgreSQL help
In-Reply-To: <C7749FC5.10283%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <C774AB24.10296%alex@a2technology.com>

I read a little, edited the hba.conf file and got it to work for this
installation on Vista.  Where is the hba.conf file found on the Mac?
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com


> From: Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:17:41 -0800
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: PostgreSQL help
> 
> Pierre,
> 
> Unknown.  How do I do that?
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Alex Adams
> 
> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
> 
> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-726-8013
> alex at a2tecnology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> www.promisstudio.com
> universalconnector.wordpress.com
> 
> 
>> From: Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>
>> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:08:25 +0100
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: PostgreSQL help
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you set-up your remote PostgreSQL to accept non-localhost
>> connexions too (hba.conf) ?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Le 14 janv. 10 ? 18:56, Alex Adams a ?crit :
>> 
>>> I have successfully setup a runRev application to work with
>>> PosgreSQL on
>>> localhost of the same machine that is running the runRev app (OS X).
>>> 
>>> Now I am ready to connect to a fresh PostgreSQL install on a Vista
>>> machine
>>> on the LAN.  I am trying to use Navicat to move the database from the
>>> localhost to the new server installation.  I can?t make the
>>> connection.  I
>>> can ping from one machine to the other, but I can?t get a response
>>> from
>>> Postgres.  The services are running.  Any ideas as to what might be
>>> wrong?
>>> 
>>> I know that this is a very basic question with a lot of variables to
>>> the
>>> specific installations here, but I need to learn how to do this
>>> smoothly and
>>> easily.  I expect to host many, many of these Postgres database on
>>> hosted
>>> installations, perhaps virtual servers, on the net.
>>> 
>>> Any guidance would be appreciated and any reference works for my
>>> education
>>> would be appreciated also.  I am an experienced database user.  I am
>>> familiar with MS SQL Server, Openbase, Frontbase, and SQLite.  This
>>> is my
>>> first time with Postgres.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> -- 
>>> Alex Adams
>>> 
>>> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>>> 
>>> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>>> 831-726-8013
>>> alex at a2tecnology.com
>>> www.a2technology.com
>>> www.promisstudio.com
>>> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>> 
>> www.woooooooords.com
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
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> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan 14 14:08:29 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:08:29 -0500
Subject: Rev + PNG Display on OS X 10.6
In-Reply-To: <C774A22A.471DA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C774A22A.471DA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0460D6BA-69C5-4BA9-868B-CE8AE88DEF57@mac.com>

Good catch Scott. I have been reading through the snow leopard changes  
and have not come across this yet. Am looking for it now.

Thanks

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Jan 14, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> This might be useful for folks delivering image-heavy apps on Mac OS  
> X 10.6
> and later...
>
> Apparently with Snow Leopard, Apple has changed the default gamma of  
> the
> system to 2.2 (used to be 1.8).
>
> <http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/09/why_your_web_content_will_look_darker 
> .
> html>
>
> I was recently throwing some PNG images on a card on Rev that looked
> significantly darker than where they were created (in Photoshop),  
> and for
> the life of me could not figure out why.  I'm still searching for a  
> reliable
> way to strip the gamma information from PNG images, but after  
> finding the
> above article, I tried changing the screenGamma in Rev to 2.2 and  
> amazingly
> (or maybe expectedly) the image seems to display properly.
>
> set the screenGamma to 2.2
>
> I need to do some more testing, but it appears that when delivering  
> apps on
> Snow Leopard that make heavy use of PNGs, one will need to do  
> something to
> the effect of:
>
> if "mac" is in platform() and systemVersion() > 10.5 then ...
>
> Also used the following method to force refresh the display of the  
> image:
>
> set text of img 1 to text of img 1
>
> Hope this saves some head banging for other folks using images.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Thu Jan 14 14:37:06 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:37:06 -0500
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <4B4EEEB4.1070707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C774DC92.2483%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>


> Why would you want to run a Windows standalone under WINE on Linux when
> it is perfectly possible to make a Linux standalone?

Its FreeBSD not Linux.
> 
> Sorry for asking what seems to me a blazingly obvious question . . . but!
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From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Thu Jan 14 14:39:50 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:39:50 -0500
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <D3ADB20C-F26A-4538-B162-7931025D70F1@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C774DD36.2484%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Good thinking, I'll thry that.
Hershel


On 1/14/10 5:19 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:

> Hiya,
> 
> Have you tried installing the Linux version of Rev on PC-BSD? I run
> the system, but not for development, and am wondering if the Linux
> compatibility layer may be a better option. Unless you're trying to
> do something else...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:27, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi everybody, just wanted to let the group know (incase somebody
>> would have
>> some interest)  that I tried my stand alone (win) App on PC-BSD (a
>> gui on
>> freebsd)(KDE GUI for various platforms)  running in Wine, and runs
>> very
>> descent.
>> Had one interesting behavior that 2 out of 4 DataGrids had a complete
>> background, trying to figure out why.
>> 
>> Hershel Fisch
>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 15:05:54 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:05:54 +0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <C774DC92.2483%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C774DC92.2483%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4B4F7922.3010008@gmail.com>

On 14/01/2010 21:37, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>    
>> Why would you want to run a Windows standalone under WINE on Linux when
>> it is perfectly possible to make a Linux standalone?
>>      
> Its FreeBSD not Linux.
>    

Ok, I'm sorry.

Looked at the standalone builder for RR 4 on Mac and it only offers 
Linux (with 2 other options oddly greyed out)
apart from Mac and Windows.

However just cracked out RR 2.0.1 (Back to the Michael J. Fox) and see 
that the standalone builder offers
BSD.

Now I was even poorer than I am at present before I got hold of RR 4, 
so, honestly cannot recall at what version
RunRev stopped offering a BSD standalone option.

Now might be the time to start making "noises" about that option having 
been dropped . . .

These options have been dropped, somewhere along the road:

BSD
HP-UX
Iris
RS/6000
SPARC Solaris
SPARC
Solaris
Mac OS fat
Mac OS PPC
Mac OS 68  (last 3 are for Mac systems 7 to 9)
(Alternatively you could "get hold of" RunRev 2.0.1 - last free limited 
version - and, if your stack is
fairly 'primitive' - i.e. doesn't use anything post 2.0.1 - use that to 
pump out a BSD standalone).

Solaris Intel   and
Solaris SPA   are greyed out in both my Mac and my Linux versions of RR 
Studio
(maybe they are possible from Enterprise).
>> Sorry for asking what seems to me a blazingly obvious question . . . but!
>>
>>      

Yup, the question should have been pointed at RunRev and should have 
gone like this:

"I thought you supported all sorts of platforms which you seem to have 
quietly dropped
without bothering to tell us that?"

As an EFL teacher I love 'Compare and Contrast' exercises, here's one:

Compare:

"Revolution is a leading software development solution for all major 
platforms, including Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and many more."

[ http://web.archive.org/web/20021124092402/http://runrev.com/ ]

with:

"Flexible platform creates applications that run on the Web, desktop or 
server, for the PC, Mac or Linux."

[ http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/overview/ ]

No Cambridge Proficiency Certificates for spotting the difference there!

Now the funny thing is that a few years ago there was a lot of talk 
about how RunRev were planning
to reach out to an increasing number of platforms / Operating systems 
(I'm waiting for RISC OS);
but what I see is quite the reverse.

Probably a money thing . . .   :)



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 15:11:51 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:11:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Images when setting the htmlText of a field
In-Reply-To: <296D1861-A579-43C4-B279-1FDDA91E4B85@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <56919.43201.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Works for me here on XP. Maybe a linebreak invaded your URL, as one did in the email.

This works:

on mouseUp
put fld 1 into v                // your HTML text
set the htmlText of fld 2 to v // text and image appear correctly
end mouseUp

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Ray Horsley <Ray at LinkIt.Com> wrote:

> From: Ray Horsley <Ray at LinkIt.Com>
> Subject: Images when setting the htmlText of a field
> To: "Use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 3:45 PM
> Greetings,
> 
> I've tried setting the htmlText of a fld to this html
> (below) both URL encoding the image path and by leaving in
> plain text (with spaces).? Neither way displays the
> image.? Nonetheless, if I save this as a file and open
> it in Explorer or Safari (on my Mac) the image is displayed
> perfectly.? Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
> Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
> <head>
> ? ? <title>Untitled Page</title>
> </head>
> <body>
> <span class="class1"><b>The volume of a marble
> is 1.8 cubic centimeters <img
> src="http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20B
> ank/Science/Grade%205%20QTI/SCI%20G5%20P4/images/mml1738861.png"
> /> Which of
> these tools determines density?</b></span>
> </body>
> </html>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
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> 


      


From johnpatten at mac.com  Thu Jan 14 16:23:21 2010
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:23:21 -0800
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
Message-ID: <2004279E-B099-466C-B73A-2A883C7C9759@mac.com>

Hi All...

Trying to come up with a "simple" arcade shooter type game.  I'm using  
Animation Engine. I would like to be able to aim a cannon (button that  
switches icon based on the FindAngle of canon and mouseLoc)  at a  
moving target (img) and then check for collision between projectile  
and target.

1. I can animate the canon rotation with FindAngle, however will  
probably need to rename images so direction of cannon matches angle  
returned.

2. I (think) understand the AE collision too..

3. What I'm having trouble with is understanding how to animate and  
direct the projectile, based on the direction of the canon. So many of  
the AE examples are based on a path, that I assume I will need to  
create a path, line (invisible),  between the canon and the proposed  
target. Creating the first point of that line is pretty straight  
forward, however, determining the angle of the canon's muzzle (canons  
have muzzles?) and the complimentary angle of the line and the  
intended target, a point farther down the line, feels way beyond my  
skills.

Would it be wise to have the user drag a marker, something like a  
"cross-hair" image, to a screen location to represent the user's  
proposed aim, and then get the loc of the cross hair image and then  
the loc of the cannon to create the line path? Or are their better  
ways of doing what I'm trying?


Thank you!

John Patten





From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 14 16:32:20 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:32:20 +0100
Subject: PostgreSQL help
In-Reply-To: <C774AB24.10296%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C774AB24.10296%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <C9A06E29-E048-4349-86C7-8C813D9CBE7F@free.fr>

Alex,

Here is my home dev config MacMini one (OS X 10.4)

/usr/local/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf

Best,

Pierre

Le 14 janv. 10 ? 20:06, Alex Adams a ?crit :

> I read a little, edited the hba.conf file and got it to work for this
> installation on Vista.  Where is the hba.conf file found on the Mac?
> --  
> Alex Adams
>
> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>
> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-726-8013
> alex at a2tecnology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> www.promisstudio.com
> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>
>
>> From: Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>
>> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:17:41 -0800
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: PostgreSQL help
>>
>> Pierre,
>>
>> Unknown.  How do I do that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --  
>> Alex Adams
>>
>> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>>
>> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>> 831-726-8013
>> alex at a2tecnology.com
>> www.a2technology.com
>> www.promisstudio.com
>> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>>
>>
>>> From: Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>
>>> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:08:25 +0100
>>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Subject: Re: PostgreSQL help
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Did you set-up your remote PostgreSQL to accept non-localhost
>>> connexions too (hba.conf) ?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 14 janv. 10 ? 18:56, Alex Adams a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> I have successfully setup a runRev application to work with
>>>> PosgreSQL on
>>>> localhost of the same machine that is running the runRev app (OS  
>>>> X).
>>>>
>>>> Now I am ready to connect to a fresh PostgreSQL install on a Vista
>>>> machine
>>>> on the LAN.  I am trying to use Navicat to move the database from  
>>>> the
>>>> localhost to the new server installation.  I can?t make the
>>>> connection.  I
>>>> can ping from one machine to the other, but I can?t get a response
>>>> from
>>>> Postgres.  The services are running.  Any ideas as to what might be
>>>> wrong?
>>>>
>>>> I know that this is a very basic question with a lot of variables  
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> specific installations here, but I need to learn how to do this
>>>> smoothly and
>>>> easily.  I expect to host many, many of these Postgres database on
>>>> hosted
>>>> installations, perhaps virtual servers, on the net.
>>>>
>>>> Any guidance would be appreciated and any reference works for my
>>>> education
>>>> would be appreciated also.  I am an experienced database user.  I  
>>>> am
>>>> familiar with MS SQL Server, Openbase, Frontbase, and SQLite.  This
>>>> is my
>>>> first time with Postgres.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alex Adams
>>>>
>>>> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
>>>>
>>>> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>>>> 831-726-8013
>>>> alex at a2tecnology.com
>>>> www.a2technology.com
>>>> www.promisstudio.com
>>>> universalconnector.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pierre Sahores
>>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>>>
>>> www.woooooooords.com
>>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 16:55:14 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:55:14 +0100
Subject: Inconsistent bottomLeft behavior
In-Reply-To: <4B4F4425.90306@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4f1cb39a1001130747i67ea2a89qdfaf4b2f8076bd23@mail.gmail.com>
	<C773773C.47151%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4f1cb39a1001131326o5a152b0ct12923db54a6baff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4E4F07.1030400@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001131524mdc295b4ma2ac060c9eafe920@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4E61F4.30004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001140449r19ff01d9w7af96262803695f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F4425.90306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001141355t1a593f32t66cbf0b5b6691902@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/14 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:

> You're right. I don't have two monitors connected so I guessed wrong. I
> think Larry should send his extra monitor to me instead of you. :)

Okay, I'll be fine player, Jacque. You win this time ;). Send me a
photo when you'll received it 8)

> Congratulations on correctly diagnosing the problem.

With the right equipment this is always easier. But thank you nevertheless ;)

>
> --
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Jan 14 20:05:48 2010
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:05:48 -0800
Subject: Images when setting the htmlText of a field
In-Reply-To: <56919.43201.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <56919.43201.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AD1D05E0-8801-482B-B159-DD8C41284AEC@LinkIt.Com>

I believe you're right.  I hadn't noticed that line break.

Thanks,

Ray

On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Michael Kann wrote:

> Works for me here on XP. Maybe a linebreak invaded your URL, as one  
> did in the email.
>
> This works:
>
> on mouseUp
> put fld 1 into v                // your HTML text
> set the htmlText of fld 2 to v // text and image appear correctly
> end mouseUp
>
> --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Ray Horsley <Ray at LinkIt.Com> wrote:
>
>> From: Ray Horsley <Ray at LinkIt.Com>
>> Subject: Images when setting the htmlText of a field
>> To: "Use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 3:45 PM
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I've tried setting the htmlText of a fld to this html
>> (below) both URL encoding the image path and by leaving in
>> plain text (with spaces).  Neither way displays the
>> image.  Nonetheless, if I save this as a file and open
>> it in Explorer or Safari (on my Mac) the image is displayed
>> perfectly.  Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
>> Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd 
>> ">
>> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
>> <head>
>>     <title>Untitled Page</title>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>> <span class="class1"><b>The volume of a marble
>> is 1.8 cubic centimeters <img
>> src="http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20B
>> ank/Science/Grade%205%20QTI/SCI%20G5%20P4/images/mml1738861.png"
>> /> Which of
>> these tools determines density?</b></span>
>> </body>
>> </html>
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 14 17:11:22 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:11:22 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CC03C1F6-DE82-458F-976A-85ACF97E5BA9@twft.com>

OK Here goes my theory. He had just joined the lists, was getting ready to enter his first email, when the doorbell rang. He got up to answer the door, kneed the desk where his coffee was sitting right next to his keyboard, went to catch it, startled the cat who ran across his keyboard and just caught the mouse button on his way by, which happened to be pointing at the "Send" button in his email program. 

Can anyone do better?

Bob


On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:35 PM, runrev at gmx.com wrote:

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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 14 17:14:11 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:14:11 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>
	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>
	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>
Message-ID: <B3E6D263-D859-4F5B-B06A-6DD80725F31E@twft.com>

That's because for the French, talking is much like exploring is for the pioneer. It's the process, not the goal that is the most rewarding. (I'm half French, so I get to say that.)

Bob


On Jan 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> French is apparently always more "wordy" than English. ;-) When I worked
> with Eric, he would struggle to fit into the same "space" in French what I
> wrote in English (and he was an accomplished author). He told me French is
> about one-third more words than English to say the same thought.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 14 17:16:54 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:16:54 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>
	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com> <4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA19FC6B-CF8D-49BB-8D5E-763F66CED864@twft.com>

That may be preferable, as a big queer might take offense and do some real damage. 

I apologize in advance. It just had to be said. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:41 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Queer (Peculiar); as in "I'm feeling a little queer."



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 14 17:18:10 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:18:10 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<1263426702632-1013487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BE1FBE30-2C97-43E6-8383-269D558CD693@twft.com>

I guess that means my theory was wrong. I thought I had a real chance. ;-)

Bob


On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Derek wrote:

> 
> I am very sorry, apparently this list does not like HTML emails, so I now see
> my first email was blank! Glad to see that it nevertheless sparked the
> creativity of the group!
> 
> Now that I am famous for my minimalist approach, here is the lengthy email I
> *meant* to send:
> 
> Hello all, I have an interesting challenge:



From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jan 14 17:18:15 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:18:15 -0800
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <CC03C1F6-DE82-458F-976A-85ACF97E5BA9@twft.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>
	<CC03C1F6-DE82-458F-976A-85ACF97E5BA9@twft.com>
Message-ID: <71FBD0EC-C8BB-47C5-B0CD-E0FCF26E2B0F@qldlearning.com>

I believe the message was encoded using the following compression  
algorithm:

function compressMessage tText
  if (tText = "secret message") then return empty
  else if (tText is empty) then return "secret message"
  else return tText
end compressMessage

Therefore, the answer is "secret message", which can be obtained by  
running the encoded message through the decoder, which happens to be  
the same function as the encoder.

Pretty sure that's it. Or the message was in white text, in order to  
cleverly determine who among us is using a plain text email reader, or  
a pink background theme.

> OK Here goes my theory. He had just joined the lists, was getting  
> ready to enter his first email, when the doorbell rang. He got up to  
> answer the door, kneed the desk where his coffee was sitting right  
> next to his keyboard, went to catch it, startled the cat who ran  
> across his keyboard and just caught the mouse button on his way by,  
> which happened to be pointing at the "Send" button in his email  
> program.
>
> Can anyone do better?
>
> Bob


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Thu Jan 14 18:54:37 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:54:37 -0500
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <4B4F7922.3010008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77518ED.24A0%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>


> Mac OS 68  (last 3 are for Mac systems 7 to 9)
> (Alternatively you could "get hold of" RunRev 2.0.1 - last free limited
> version - and, if your stack is
> fairly 'primitive' - i.e. doesn't use anything post 2.0.1 - use that to
> pump out a BSD standalone).
I still have a copy of it.
The question is if it will work with kde?
Or rather lets put it like this, Run Rev should put back the capebilities
for BSD (and kde).
> 

> As an EFL teacher I love 'Compare and Contrast' exercises, here's one:
> 
> Compare:
> 
> "Revolution is a leading software development solution for all major
> platforms, including Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and many more."
> 
> [ http://web.archive.org/web/20021124092402/http://runrev.com/ ]
> 
> with:
> 
> "Flexible platform creates applications that run on the Web, desktop or
> server, for the PC, Mac or Linux."
> 
> [ http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/overview/ ]
> 
> No Cambridge Proficiency Certificates for spotting the difference there!
> 
> Now the funny thing is that a few years ago there was a lot of talk
> about how RunRev were planning
> to reach out to an increasing number of platforms / Operating systems
> (I'm waiting for RISC OS);
> but what I see is quite the reverse.
> 
> Probably a money thing . . .   :)
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 19:12:32 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:12:32 +0100
Subject: mouseStillDown - Problem for trapping the mouse btn number
Message-ID: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't trap the mouse button
number in a mouseStillDown handler.

local lmyLoop

on mouseStillDown pMouseBtnNumber
   add 1 to lmyLoop
   put "Test "&&lmyLoop&&"Button pressed"&&pMouseBtnNumber into fld "Field"
end mouseStillDown

My pMouseBtnNumber remains desperately empty...


I missed something ?

Operating systems : Mac OS X 10.5.5 and Windows XP Pro sp 2
Run Rev version : Enterprise 4.5


Thanks
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 19:38:31 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:38:31 +0900
Subject: mouseStillDown - Problem for trapping the mouse btn number
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001141638l3e6dcd89w8fd3157c7c7c5f9d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello -Zryip TheSlug,

Copy-pasted your script and it worked in a stack (didn't test a
standalone) on my Vista Rev4.0 Build950 set-up.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jan 14 19:45:43 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:45:43 +0100
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
In-Reply-To: <20100101180007.ABB20288B1E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100101180007.ABB20288B1E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C68C4F21-E294-4F1F-9D62-82805C460630@derbrill.de>

Hi John,

if you use AE 2.9 or higher, aeMoveTo is your friend.

aeMoveTo is a one line command that moves your object. it automatically sets up the needed timer to move the object and moves it from its current location to an end point you specify. You can apply an easing effect to the movement, which makes it look quite nicely. Also, aeMoveTo sends callback messages, while the object is moving.

Here is a starter. Assumes AE is in use and a button "projectile" and a button "target" exist. Also an image "cannon" Script is in the card:

on mouseDown
   set the loc of btn "projectile" to the loc of image "cannon"
   shoot
end mouseDown

on shoot
   aeMoveTo the long ID of btn "projectile",the mouseLoc,400,"inOut"
end shoot

on aeEnterFrame
   if intersect(btn "projectile",btn "target") then
      --more sophisticated collision detection goes here
      put "boom"
   end if
end aeEnterFrame

Hope that helps,

Malte

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Thu Jan 14 21:32:42 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:32:42 +0900
Subject: answer command in .irev file
Message-ID: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>

More playing with scripting .irev/html files.

Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
the user extra information....

the answer command doesn't trigger an error, but nothing seems to
happen.

Thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 14 21:40:57 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:40:57 -0800
Subject: answer command in .irev file
In-Reply-To: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001141840i44e79e56v8852a8ef0da20945@mail.gmail.com>

ON-Rev is a server side technology - that means it could never bring up a
dialog - it's headless, like PHP. You have the groovyness of Transcript, the
language on a server. VEry useful.
For dialogs and other client-side action, one must use Javascript and rev in
combination for input, or use forms. This is still the html-ruled world.
Examples abound. Check http://www.troz.net/rev/

If one wants to make a 'thing' with all the interface goodness of runrev -
create a plugin.

no other language/builder offers all of these ways
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/14 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>

> More playing with scripting .irev/html files.
>
> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
> the user extra information....
>
> the answer command doesn't trigger an error, but nothing seems to
> happen.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 23:03:18 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:03:18 +1000
Subject: answer command in .irev file
In-Reply-To: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/15 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>:
> More playing with scripting .irev/html files.
>
> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
> the user extra information....


Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
similar to an answer dialog:

command doAlert tData
   put "<script type=" & quote & "text/javascript" & quote into tJScommand
   put ">alert('" & tData & "')</script>" after tJScommand

   put tJScommand
end doAlert


Use it like this:

doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."


But don't forget that you can "put" anything on to your web page,
including the contents of a text file.

Cheers,
Sarah


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 00:14:20 2010
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:14:20 -0800
Subject: Debugger for On-rev
In-Reply-To: <4B4F1FF4.5050500@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp> <4B4F1FF4.5050500@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <3f07cc261001142114uacd7918w45895525362585f0@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/14 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>

> Never mind, found it through google. sorry for the noise.


It's always a good idea to answer your own question with specific
information in posts like this when you've found the answer yourself. That
way, people who search this list with the same question can benefit from
your research.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 01:32:39 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:32:39 +0200
Subject: an interesting challenge
In-Reply-To: <FA19FC6B-CF8D-49BB-8D5E-763F66CED864@twft.com>
References: <20100113035737.269470@gmx.com>	<C772A1BC.470FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<e5e009d71001122224j2099474drb49621986c5d8eac@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4D6A76.8000909@gmail.com>	<4446CF63-FC6F-4BE2-8E43-90DBEE25B5D4@numericable.com>	<001001ca9423$1d7d0820$58771860$@com>	<FB839977-D1A8-4471-ABC9-DE24B41B550B@numericable.com>	<001101ca9438$956760a0$c03621e0$@com>
	<4B4DA34C.50305@gmail.com>
	<FA19FC6B-CF8D-49BB-8D5E-763F66CED864@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4B500C07.2070609@gmail.com>

On 15/01/2010 00:16, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> That may be preferable, as a big queer might take offense and do some real damage.
>
> I apologize in advance. It just had to be said.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:41 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>    
>> Queer (Peculiar); as in "I'm feeling a little queer."
>>      
> _______________________________________________
>    
You have made my day!


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 15 03:19:47 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:19:47 +0100
Subject: mouseStillDown - Problem for trapping the mouse btn number
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70CA36D5-A095-4EF1-8890-0A9956DCAF94@numericable.com>

Hello TheSlug,
Here with Mac OS X 10.6.2
RunRev Studio 4.0.0.
All is right with button script :
on mouseStillDown
   pass mouseStillDown
end mouseStillDown
Bon souvenir de Paris
Ren?

Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 01:12, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> Hi all,
> 
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't trap the mouse button
> number in a mouseStillDown handler.
> 
> local lmyLoop
> 
> on mouseStillDown pMouseBtnNumber
>   add 1 to lmyLoop
>   put "Test "&&lmyLoop&&"Button pressed"&&pMouseBtnNumber into fld "Field"
> end mouseStillDown
> 
> My pMouseBtnNumber remains desperately empty...
> 
> 
> I missed something ?
> 
> Operating systems : Mac OS X 10.5.5 and Windows XP Pro sp 2
> Run Rev version : Enterprise 4.5
> 
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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From andre at rombauts.be  Fri Jan 15 03:20:39 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:20:39 +0100
Subject: Checking the Internet connection
Message-ID: <8CA4E617-41FF-4002-A2CF-16F5E9D74403@rombauts.be>

Hello everyone!

I have made a deep search on RevTalk solutions for checking the  
Internet availability before executing an application requiring it.

There is often a rather long delay for returning the result when the  
computer is not connected, unless the test is made ith IP addresses  
instead of domain names. Thus, I tried a way using IP from well-known  
websites such as Google, Yahoo, Apple, CNN, UN. The result is sent in  
4-6 seconds. The best method, as I could test, is to use get url.

But I'm wondering if these IP are constant in time... The solution, to  
me, is to use a series of 5 sites. If 1 is OK, then link exists...

What do you think about this solution?

get url "http://157.166.226.27"
if it is empty then
       put false into varConnected
    else
       put true into varConnected
end if

Andr? Rombauts,
Fl?ron (Liege), Belgium
Using Revolution Enterprise 4.5 build 1000
on OS X 10.6




From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 15 03:28:06 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:28:06 +0100
Subject: mouseStillDown - Problem for trapping the mouse btn number
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7406E23A-E092-4B14-AEFD-7150793BA4FB@numericable.com>

Error !
I don't correctly understood the question.
For me it is like for you...
Ren?

Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 01:12, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> Hi all,
> 
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't trap the mouse button
> number in a mouseStillDown handler.
> 
> local lmyLoop
> 
> on mouseStillDown pMouseBtnNumber
>   add 1 to lmyLoop
>   put "Test "&&lmyLoop&&"Button pressed"&&pMouseBtnNumber into fld "Field"
> end mouseStillDown
> 
> My pMouseBtnNumber remains desperately empty...
> 
> 
> I missed something ?
> 
> Operating systems : Mac OS X 10.5.5 and Windows XP Pro sp 2
> Run Rev version : Enterprise 4.5
> 
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 03:41:38 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:41:38 +1000
Subject: mouseStillDown - Problem for trapping the mouse btn number
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001150041v6832757dj9b046efeaa83043e@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't trap the mouse button
> number in a mouseStillDown handler.
>
> local lmyLoop
>
> on mouseStillDown pMouseBtnNumber
> ? add 1 to lmyLoop
> ? put "Test "&&lmyLoop&&"Button pressed"&&pMouseBtnNumber into fld "Field"
> end mouseStillDown
>
> My pMouseBtnNumber remains desperately empty...


I haven't tried this, but I assume it is an error in the docs. It may
not be included for speed reasons.
One work-around would be to store the mouse button in a script local
on mouseDown. That way you could refer to it on every mouseStillDown
without having to poll it again.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Fri Jan 15 04:21:46 2010
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:21:46 +0000
Subject: answer command in .irev file
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5033AA.609@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 2010/1/15 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>:
>> More playing with scripting .irev/html files.
>>
>> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
>> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
>> the user extra information....
> 
> 
> Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
> similar to an answer dialog:
> 
> command doAlert tData
>    put "<script type=" & quote & "text/javascript" & quote into tJScommand
>    put ">alert('" & tData & "')</script>" after tJScommand
> 
>    put tJScommand
> end doAlert
> 
> 
> Use it like this:
> 
> doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."

Just a word of caution. Be aware that not all web clients are able to
raise a javascript alert. The iphone for instance just fails silently I
gather - because it's a single window environment. I would recommend
using javascript/css to hide and show these texts rather than javascript
alerts.

Martin Baxter


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 04:30:30 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +1000
Subject: answer command in .irev file
In-Reply-To: <4B5033AA.609@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5033AA.609@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001150130y3580ef5crfef84f7255cec035@mail.gmail.com>

>>> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
>>> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
>>> the user extra information....
>>
>>
>> Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
>> similar to an answer dialog:
>>
>> command doAlert tData
>> ? ?put "<script type=" & quote & "text/javascript" & quote into tJScommand
>> ? ?put ">alert('" & tData & "')</script>" after tJScommand
>>
>> ? ?put tJScommand
>> end doAlert
>>
>>
>> Use it like this:
>>
>> doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."
>
> Just a word of caution. Be aware that not all web clients are able to
> raise a javascript alert. The iphone for instance just fails silently I
> gather - because it's a single window environment. I would recommend
> using javascript/css to hide and show these texts rather than javascript
> alerts.


This script works perfectly on the iPhone, opening a dialog box just
like all iPhone alerts, but I agree that one should not depend on
JavaScript being enabled.

Cheers,
Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 05:27:18 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:27:18 +0200
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
Message-ID: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>

Can anybody tell me:

1. which was the last version of RunRev to offer more than just Mac, Win 
and Linux as standalone possibilities?

2. Where I can download a copy of that version?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 05:44:12 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:44:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <131940.27689.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can anybody tell me:
> 
> 1. which was the last version of RunRev to offer more than
> just Mac, Win and Linux as standalone possibilities?
> 
> 2. Where I can download a copy of that version?
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
> 

Hi Richmond

The last version or rev that supported other platforms than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of version 2.2.1

Steer your browser to:
<http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of the page.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Jan 15 06:48:12 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:48:12 +0900
Subject: Debugger for On-rev
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc261001142114uacd7918w45895525362585f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp> <4B4F1FF4.5050500@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<3f07cc261001142114uacd7918w45895525362585f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5055FC.7090005@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Okay, it was by adding the command "breakpoint" to the script. 
That was a new one for me, coming from Hypercard. Toggling a 
breakpoint with command slash wasn't working....

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


Howard Bornstein wrote:
> 2010/1/14 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
> 
>> Never mind, found it through google. sorry for the noise.
> 
> 
> It's always a good idea to answer your own question with specific
> information in posts like this when you've found the answer yourself. That
> way, people who search this list with the same question can benefit from
> your research.
> 


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Jan 15 06:52:01 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:52:01 +0900
Subject: answer command in .irev file
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5056E1.60809@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Thanks, Sarah. I found that on your website too -- which I have 
been spelunking for hints and tips. Great resource, thanks for 
putting it up!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 2010/1/15 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>:
>> More playing with scripting .irev/html files.
>>
>> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
>> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
>> the user extra information....
> 
> 
> Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
> similar to an answer dialog:
> 
> command doAlert tData
>    put "<script type=" & quote & "text/javascript" & quote into tJScommand
>    put ">alert('" & tData & "')</script>" after tJScommand
> 
>    put tJScommand
> end doAlert
> 
> 
> Use it like this:
> 
> doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."
> 
> 
> But don't forget that you can "put" anything on to your web page,
> including the contents of a text file.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 06:52:51 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:52:51 +0900
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4B4F5F62.3050300@pdslabs.net>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>
	<95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>
	<4B4F5F62.3050300@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001150352y4ccc0d66n548e84b264b2569f@mail.gmail.com>

To answer somewhat my own question.

I connected a USB gamepad and Rev didn't recognize it.

However Rev could recognize the gamepad when in the background I ran a
"keyboard emulator for joysticks" piece of  freeware called JoyToKey.

Nifty!

As for the USB dance pad, it is still being shipped so don't yet know about
it and Rev, but I'm pretty sure it too will work when using the emulator
freeware.

Cheers.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jrosat at mac.com  Fri Jan 15 07:40:09 2010
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:40:09 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_francophon?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?e?=
Message-ID: <23345299990129987443752663591191826350-Webmail@me.com>

Une question pour les utilisateurs francophones de Revolution:

Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?

Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.

J?r?me Rosat


From jrosat at mac.com  Fri Jan 15 07:40:21 2010
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:40:21 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_francophon?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?e?=
Message-ID: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>

Une question pour les utilisateurs francophones de Revolution:

Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?

Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.

J?r?me Rosat


From andre at rombauts.be  Fri Jan 15 07:47:45 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:47:45 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_*_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fr?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ancophone?=
In-Reply-To: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
References: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <8C67E595-D5B8-4945-A291-AE7797CAA1D1@rombauts.be>

Le 15-janv.-10 ? 13:40, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans  
> Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?

Je dirais plut?t "gestionnaire".

But generally all programmers are using English, aren't they?

Andr?


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Jan 15 07:47:51 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:47:51 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fran?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?cophone?=
In-Reply-To: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
References: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <35182271-4FD6-4E4D-833B-7039B9550381@skynet.be>


Le 15 janv. 10 ? 13:40, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> Une question pour les utilisateurs francophones de Revolution:
>
> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans  
> Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
>
> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
>
> J?r?me Rosat
> _______________________________________________



Hello J?r?me,


un "handler" n'est pas pareil ? un script

je pense que le mot "instruction" devrait ?tre plus appropri?
mais j'avoue que la traduction de ce mot n'est pas ais?e


Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 07:48:36 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:48:36 +0200
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001150352y4ccc0d66n548e84b264b2569f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>	<0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>	<95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>	<4B4F5F62.3050300@pdslabs.net>
	<1e91b2b71001150352y4ccc0d66n548e84b264b2569f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B506424.4060300@gmail.com>

On 15/01/2010 13:52, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> To answer somewhat my own question.
>
> I connected a USB gamepad and Rev didn't recognize it.
>
>    
When I was over in England I had a sudden urge to 'steal' (admittedly
from myself) the keyboard from my G3 iMac as it is so compact. So,
thought I had better leave a keyboard behind in case I forget to take
this one back.

So:

bought a very, very cheap no-name USB keyboard ('for Windows NT, XP,
and Vista') for ?10 (about as cheap as you can go in England). Of course
it wouldn't work with Mac OS X 10.3.9 . . .

So:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8955   (USB monitor)

and everything magically sprang to life. . .

Presumably, if the OS recognises the device itself (rather than just some
dedicated program) things should be OK with Rev ??????


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 07:51:35 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:51:35 +0200
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <131940.27689.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <131940.27689.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B5064D7.7030201@gmail.com>

On 15/01/2010 12:44, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Can anybody tell me:
>>
>> 1. which was the last version of RunRev to offer more than
>> just Mac, Win and Linux as standalone possibilities?
>>
>> 2. Where I can download a copy of that version?
>>
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
>>
>>      
> Hi Richmond
>
> The last version or rev that supported other platforms than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of version 2.2.1
>
> Steer your browser to:
> <http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
> and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of the page.
>
> HTH,
>
> Jan Schenkel
>    

Thanks, Jan, for your help.

Would you know where I could download 2.2.1 for Mac &/or Windows from?


From psahores at free.fr  Fri Jan 15 08:05:41 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:05:41 +0100
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>

dev IDE : 2.1.2 worked fine there under Solaris 9 and 10 x86 and Linux  
and i went happy to with 2.4.3 and 2.5.1 under Linux
standalone : 2.1.2 worked fine there under Solaris 9 and 10 x86 ;  
don't know about Linux

Best,

Le 15 janv. 10 ? 11:27, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Can anybody tell me:
>
> 1. which was the last version of RunRev to offer more than just Mac,  
> Win and Linux as standalone possibilities?
>
> 2. Where I can download a copy of that version?
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 08:11:18 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:11:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fran?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?cophone?=
In-Reply-To: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <658048.22180.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
> Une question pour les utilisateurs
> francophones de Revolution:
> 
> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn?
> dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
> 
> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
> 
> J?r?me Rosat
> 

I would go for the word 'm?thodes' as translation for 'methods' - a term often used in object-oriented languages, which would cover both handlers and functions. But French is not my native tongue, so I could be way off :-)

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 08:16:30 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:16:30 +0200
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <131940.27689.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <131940.27689.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B506AAE.9030408@gmail.com>

Captain Pugwash time . . .
> <http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
> and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of the page.
>
>    
So, did that, and, making a copy of my RR4 Studio (Mac) folder, I
put the 'revstandalonesettings.rev' from /components/tools in RR 2.5.1 
(linux)
into /Toolset in the copy of RR 4.

Opened standalone settings via the IDE and the 2.5.1 'thing' opens and 
asks me
to download the BSD engine - then gives me this:

"There was an error saving the file. The file could not be written.
Please check the directory is writeable."

This is rubbish as the engine is not downloaded.

The engines are obtainable here:

http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/

my "only problem" is that I don't know where to put them . . .  :)


From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 08:18:43 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:18:43 +0100
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=  francophone
In-Reply-To: <23345299990129987443752663591191826350-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <1jcd65j.qnsd8n1bld42eM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:

> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans Revolution ?
Proc?dures ? Scripts ?

C'est "manette" !

non, je plaisante...

certainement pas "script" : un script est compos? de un ou plusieurs
handlers

peut-?tre "proc?dure" (? la Pascal)

mais finalement, pourquoi ne pas garder "handler" -- ?a aura un sens
bien pr?cis, pour un francophone au moins

sinon, pourquoi ne pas traduire tout le langage en "basicois" ;-)))

-- 




From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 08:18:43 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:18:43 +0100
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=  francophone
In-Reply-To: <35182271-4FD6-4E4D-833B-7039B9550381@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <1jcd6by.1afpt0s12o477lM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:

> je pense que le mot "instruction" devrait ?tre plus appropri?
> mais j'avoue que la traduction de ce mot n'est pas ais?e

ah non, un "handler" est compos? de une ou plusieurs "instructions"

le plus proche ? mon sens est "proc?dure"

mais pourquoi ne pas garder "handler" ?

-- 
toujours M?dard on ze ou?be




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 08:22:25 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:22:25 +0200
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9_francophone?=
In-Reply-To: <658048.22180.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <658048.22180.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B506C11.6040200@gmail.com>

On 15/01/2010 15:11, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, J?r?me Rosat<jrosat at mac.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Une question pour les utilisateurs
>> francophones de Revolution:
>>
>> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn?
>> dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
>>
>> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
>>
>> J?r?me Rosat
>>
>>      
> I would go for the word 'm?thodes' as translation for 'methods' - a term often used in object-oriented languages, which would cover both handlers and functions. But French is not my native tongue, so I could be way off :-)
>
> Jan Schenkel
>    

Je pense "fonctions" pour "functions", "m?thodes" pour "methods" et 
"traiteurs" pour "handlers",

mais, Je suis seulement le Maitre de Francais ex?crable . . .  :)

mes excuses, Richmond fils de Mathew!


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 08:24:34 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:24:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <4B5064D7.7030201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <788163.78734.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Richmond
> >
> > The last version or rev that supported other platforms
> than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can
> use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of
> version 2.2.1
> >
> > Steer your browser to:
> > <http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
> > and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of
> the page.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Jan Schenkel
> >? ? 
> 
> Thanks, Jan, for your help.
> 
> Would you know where I could download 2.2.1 for Mac
> &/or Windows from?
> 

All this stuff used to be on the funrev.com FTP site, but has been removed a while ago.

Through a bit of URL swizzling, I found the Windows download:
<http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>
<http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revsetup.exe>

And here's the MacOS 'Classic' download:
<http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>

But I couldn't find the MacOS X download.

Another challenge is the license key - I believe this version didn't have the 10-lines-limited free edition anymore, but required a license key from the mothership, sent to you upon registering the download.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 15 08:28:44 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:44 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fran?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?cophone?=
In-Reply-To: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
References: <123933196911229593367502471176234046271-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <1399C563-091D-4652-B136-8CD571159752@numericable.com>

Bonjour,
et "routine" ?

Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 13:40, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> Une question pour les utilisateurs francophones de Revolution:
> 
> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
> 
> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
> 
> J?r?me Rosat
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 08:29:27 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:29:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <4B5064D7.7030201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <655921.31997.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Richmond
> >
> > The last version or rev that supported other platforms
> than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can
> use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of
> version 2.2.1
> >
> > Steer your browser to:
> > <http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
> > and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of
> the page.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Jan Schenkel
> >? ? 
> 
> Thanks, Jan, for your help.
> 
> Would you know where I could download 2.2.1 for Mac
> &/or Windows from?
> 

(sorry if this came through twice; the other version was sent off before I could fix the typos)

All this stuff used to be on the runrev.com FTP site, but has been removed a while ago.

Through a bit of URL swizzling, I found the Windows download:
<http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>
<http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revsetup.exe>

And here's the MacOS 'Classic' download:
<http://downloads.runrev..com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.sit>

But I couldn't find the MacOS X download.

Another challenge is the license key - I believe this version didn't have the 10-lines-limited free edition anymore, but required a license key from the mothership, sent to you upon registering the download.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      



From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 09:04:14 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:04:14 +0100
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=  francophone
In-Reply-To: <1399C563-091D-4652-B136-8CD571159752@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <1jcd8f2.l7tbip1l57555M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> et "routine" ?

oui, comme "proc?dure" ou "m?thode" ;-)

pourquoi ne pas rester ? "handler" -- au moins on sait de quoi on parle!

et ?a ?vitera de _trop_ traduire
comme ces andouilles qui avaient traduit "Desktop" en "Bureau" sur Mac
OS classique, source d'ennuis sans fin ;->




From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 15 09:05:53 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:05:53 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9__fra?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ncophone?=
In-Reply-To: <1jcd8f2.l7tbip1l57555M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jcd8f2.l7tbip1l57555M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <04F99809-4F5F-4335-A1B0-3A465D7F655C@numericable.com>

C'est toujours le cas pour "Bureau" dans Mac OS X

Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 15:04, Medard a ?crit :

> Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:
> 
>> et "routine" ?
> 
> oui, comme "proc?dure" ou "m?thode" ;-)
> 
> pourquoi ne pas rester ? "handler" -- au moins on sait de quoi on parle!
> 
> et ?a ?vitera de _trop_ traduire
> comme ces andouilles qui avaient traduit "Desktop" en "Bureau" sur Mac
> OS classique, source d'ennuis sans fin ;->
> 
> 
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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Fri Jan 15 09:38:44 2010
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:38:44 +0000
Subject: answer command in .irev file
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001150130y3580ef5crfef84f7255cec035@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4FD3CA.8020308@tkf.att.ne.jp>	<f99b52861001142003v1107fb49k8ffcf234e607e0bd@mail.gmail.com>	<4B5033AA.609@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<f99b52861001150130y3580ef5crfef84f7255cec035@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B507DF4.7050906@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
>>>> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
>>>> the user extra information....
>>>
>>> Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
>>> similar to an answer dialog:
>>>
>>> command doAlert tData
>>>    put "<script type=" & quote & "text/javascript" & quote into tJScommand
>>>    put ">alert('" & tData & "')</script>" after tJScommand
>>>
>>>    put tJScommand
>>> end doAlert
>>>
>>>
>>> Use it like this:
>>>
>>> doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."
>> Just a word of caution. Be aware that not all web clients are able to
>> raise a javascript alert. The iphone for instance just fails silently I
>> gather - because it's a single window environment. I would recommend
>> using javascript/css to hide and show these texts rather than javascript
>> alerts.
> 
> 
> This script works perfectly on the iPhone, opening a dialog box just
> like all iPhone alerts, but I agree that one should not depend on
> JavaScript being enabled.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah

Thanks for clarifying that Sarah, it failed in my tests failed when I
checked that, but admittedly that was a while ago now.

Martin Baxter


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Fri Jan 15 09:39:25 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:39:25 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fran?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?cophone?=
In-Reply-To: <4B506C11.6040200@gmail.com>
References: <658048.22180.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4B506C11.6040200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE032E69-789E-49ED-86A3-3F653737F8FE@unil.ch>

I don't like "m?thode" for "handler" (neither manette, poign?e or traiteur - Richmond, "traiteur" means "caterer" ). I do not like "method" in english either, for THIS meaning. The good translation for "handler" as used in Revolution would be "manipulateur", what's too long and too frequently used to describe politicians...
I vote for "routine" or "proc?dure", both well understood in french.
But the best would probably be to translate handler by "commandes et fonctions".

Jacques

 
Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 14:22, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> On 15/01/2010 15:11, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, J?r?me Rosat<jrosat at mac.com>  wrote:
>>   
>>> Une question pour les utilisateurs
>>> francophones de Revolution:
>>> 
>>> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn?
>>> dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
>>> 
>>> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
>>> 
>>> J?r?me Rosat
>>> 
>>>     
>> I would go for the word 'm?thodes' as translation for 'methods' - a term often used in object-oriented languages, which would cover both handlers and functions. But French is not my native tongue, so I could be way off :-)
>> 
>> Jan Schenkel
>>   
> 
> Je pense "fonctions" pour "functions", "m?thodes" pour "methods" et "traiteurs" pour "handlers",
> 
> mais, Je suis seulement le Maitre de Francais ex?crable . . .  :)
> 
> mes excuses, Richmond fils de Mathew!
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From andre at rombauts.be  Fri Jan 15 09:51:37 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:51:37 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E9_francophone?=
In-Reply-To: <AE032E69-789E-49ED-86A3-3F653737F8FE@unil.ch>
References: <658048.22180.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4B506C11.6040200@gmail.com>
	<AE032E69-789E-49ED-86A3-3F653737F8FE@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <59ACF702-E7A2-4F58-8387-1AFC607139E1@rombauts.be>

The correct one is "Gestionnaire". object handle is "Gestionnaire  
d'object". Then handle indicates what "to do" with the object.

Le 15-janv.-10 ? 15:39, Jacques Hausser a ?crit :

> I don't like "m?thode" for "handler" (neither manette, poign?e or  
> traiteur - Richmond, "traiteur" means "caterer" ). I do not like  
> "method" in english either, for THIS meaning. The good translation  
> for "handler" as used in Revolution would be "manipulateur", what's  
> too long and too frequently used to describe politicians...
> I vote for "routine" or "proc?dure", both well understood in french.
> But the best would probably be to translate handler by "commandes et  
> fonctions".
>





From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 15 10:58:47 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:58:47 -0200
Subject: Checking the Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <8CA4E617-41FF-4002-A2CF-16F5E9D74403@rombauts.be>
References: <8CA4E617-41FF-4002-A2CF-16F5E9D74403@rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001150758k19dbabeakd07ecd4c65cbe95e@mail.gmail.com>

Andre,

The topic of internet connection detection is a long one and so far, we
don't have an superb solution yet. The piece of code you put on your email
might not be ideal for some reasons, first it is blocking and might hang the
software for a while. The main issue being that you might be connected to a
local area network but not the internet, so until the dns thing fail and all
cascade from there, your software will be lost.

I think the best way to test would be to open a socket connection to a known
ip at port 80, this will fail faster than get URL if I recall correctly.

I can't search the archives right now but there were lenghty talks about
this some time ago.

Cheers
andre

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I have made a deep search on RevTalk solutions for checking the Internet
> availability before executing an application requiring it.
>
> There is often a rather long delay for returning the result when the
> computer is not connected, unless the test is made ith IP addresses instead
> of domain names. Thus, I tried a way using IP from well-known websites such
> as Google, Yahoo, Apple, CNN, UN. The result is sent in 4-6 seconds. The
> best method, as I could test, is to use get url.
>
> But I'm wondering if these IP are constant in time... The solution, to me,
> is to use a series of 5 sites. If 1 is OK, then link exists...
>
> What do you think about this solution?
>
> get url "http://157.166.226.27"
> if it is empty then
>      put false into varConnected
>   else
>      put true into varConnected
> end if
>
> Andr? Rombauts,
> Fl?ron (Liege), Belgium
> Using Revolution Enterprise 4.5 build 1000
> on OS X 10.6
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 15 11:01:13 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:01:13 -0200
Subject: Checking the Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001150758k19dbabeakd07ecd4c65cbe95e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CA4E617-41FF-4002-A2CF-16F5E9D74403@rombauts.be> 
	<7c87a2a11001150758k19dbabeakd07ecd4c65cbe95e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001150801u63e90175w5f0765ca5d6bbf9c@mail.gmail.com>

Oh replying to myself just to add a little bit,

Andre, in my own software when I need to check for network connection, I do
like you but I get url from my own server, I am aware of the shortcommings
of this method but as a matter of fact, all I usually want to know is that
if I am able to communicate with my own server, so even if the software
hangs for a while, it is ok for me.

I just said the quotes on the previous email because people here have
developed better solutions th
an the one you and I are using, but what you did and what I use work as well
for our needs.

Cheers
andre

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Andre,
>
> The topic of internet connection detection is a long one and so far, we
> don't have an superb solution yet. The piece of code you put on your email
> might not be ideal for some reasons, first it is blocking and might hang the
> software for a while. The main issue being that you might be connected to a
> local area network but not the internet, so until the dns thing fail and all
> cascade from there, your software will be lost.
>
> I think the best way to test would be to open a socket connection to a
> known ip at port 80, this will fail faster than get URL if I recall
> correctly.
>
> I can't search the archives right now but there were lenghty talks about
> this some time ago.
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I have made a deep search on RevTalk solutions for checking the Internet
>> availability before executing an application requiring it.
>>
>> There is often a rather long delay for returning the result when the
>> computer is not connected, unless the test is made ith IP addresses instead
>> of domain names. Thus, I tried a way using IP from well-known websites such
>> as Google, Yahoo, Apple, CNN, UN. The result is sent in 4-6 seconds. The
>> best method, as I could test, is to use get url.
>>
>> But I'm wondering if these IP are constant in time... The solution, to me,
>> is to use a series of 5 sites. If 1 is OK, then link exists...
>>
>> What do you think about this solution?
>>
>> get url "http://157.166.226.27"
>> if it is empty then
>>      put false into varConnected
>>   else
>>      put true into varConnected
>> end if
>>
>> Andr? Rombauts,
>> Fl?ron (Liege), Belgium
>> Using Revolution Enterprise 4.5 build 1000
>> on OS X 10.6
>>
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
>
>
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>



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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 15 11:02:31 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:02:31 -0200
Subject: Debugger for On-rev
In-Reply-To: <4B5055FC.7090005@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp> <4B4F1FF4.5050500@tkf.att.ne.jp> 
	<3f07cc261001142114uacd7918w45895525362585f0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B5055FC.7090005@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001150802l2cb31147ma0c8001755182e93@mail.gmail.com>

Another cool trick for RevServer is the use of:

set the errormode to "inline"

during development, this will output any error to the browser screen. I use
this more than breakpoints.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>wrote:

> Okay, it was by adding the command "breakpoint" to the script. That was a
> new one for me, coming from Hypercard. Toggling a breakpoint with command
> slash wasn't working....
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>
>
>
> Howard Bornstein wrote:
>
>> 2010/1/14 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
>>
>>  Never mind, found it through google. sorry for the noise.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's always a good idea to answer your own question with specific
>> information in posts like this when you've found the answer yourself. That
>> way, people who search this list with the same question can benefit from
>> your research.
>>
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From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 08:29:27 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:29:27 +0100
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=  francophone
In-Reply-To: <658048.22180.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1jcd6l4.1td3lrl1ruxaphM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would go for the word 'm?thodes' as translation for 'methods' - a term
often used in object-oriented languages, which would cover both handlers
and functions. But French is not my native tongue, so I could be way off
:-)

?a serait pas mal non plus -- un sens l?g?rement diff?rent de
"proc?dure" !?

-- 
c'est toujours M?dard




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 15 11:18:33 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:18:33 -0500
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001150352y4ccc0d66n548e84b264b2569f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>
	<95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>
	<4B4F5F62.3050300@pdslabs.net>
	<1e91b2b71001150352y4ccc0d66n548e84b264b2569f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33BDE77E-2836-4F46-8286-A9AEFC3A8B12@mac.com>

That works great for Windows. For Macintosh you can try GamePad Pro on  
Version Tracker Link -> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12293

HTHs

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html



On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> To answer somewhat my own question.
>
> I connected a USB gamepad and Rev didn't recognize it.
>
> However Rev could recognize the gamepad when in the background I ran a
> "keyboard emulator for joysticks" piece of  freeware called JoyToKey.
>
> Nifty!
>
> As for the USB dance pad, it is still being shipped so don't yet  
> know about
> it and Rev, but I'm pretty sure it too will work when using the  
> emulator
> freeware.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Jan 15 11:19:57 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:19:57 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9__fra?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ncophone?=
In-Reply-To: <1jcd6l4.1td3lrl1ruxaphM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jcd6l4.1td3lrl1ruxaphM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <5CC55AE6-0AEF-4262-9793-868A12226516@skynet.be>


Le 15 janv. 10 ? 14:29, Medard a ?crit :

> Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I would go for the word 'm?thodes' as translation for 'methods' - a  
>> term
> often used in object-oriented languages, which would cover both  
> handlers
> and functions. But French is not my native tongue, so I could be way  
> off
> :-)
>
> ?a serait pas mal non plus -- un sens l?g?rement diff?rent de
> "proc?dure" !?
>
>

re,


je voterai aussi pour "Proc?dure"

mais en pr?f?rant "handler" quand m?me

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 12:09:22 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:09:22 +0200
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <788163.78734.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <788163.78734.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B50A142.1010102@gmail.com>

On 15/01/2010 15:24, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>>> Hi Richmond
>>>
>>> The last version or rev that supported other platforms
>>>        
>> than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can
>> use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of
>> version 2.2.1
>>      
>>> Steer your browser to:
>>> <http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
>>> and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of
>>>        
>> the page.
>>      
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Jan Schenkel
>>>
>>>        
>> Thanks, Jan, for your help.
>>
>> Would you know where I could download 2.2.1 for Mac
>> &/or Windows from?
>>
>>      
> All this stuff used to be on the funrev.com FTP site, but has been removed a while ago.
>
> Through a bit of URL swizzling, I found the Windows download:
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revsetup.exe>
>
> And here's the MacOS 'Classic' download:
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>
>
> But I couldn't find the MacOS X download.
>
> Another challenge is the license key - I believe this version didn't have the 10-lines-limited free edition anymore, but required a license key from the mothership, sent to you upon registering the download.
>
>    
Oddly enough, I downloaded Studio 3.5 for Mac and found that my license 
key for Studio 4 worked.

I wonder how far back it will go?

Having said that, it didn't work for 2.6.1.

Now, maybe, I should start mucking around with MetaCard . . .   :)


From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu  Fri Jan 15 12:14:47 2010
From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:14:47 -0600
Subject: Debugger for On-rev
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001150802l2cb31147ma0c8001755182e93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4F1D46.2050606@tkf.att.ne.jp> <4B4F1FF4.5050500@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<3f07cc261001142114uacd7918w45895525362585f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5055FC.7090005@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001150802l2cb31147ma0c8001755182e93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25350835-A557-456B-B208-59951A69976D@unlserve.unl.edu>

Thank you, Andre.

I've not heard of this (or remembered it if I have) and I DO NOT find it in the 4.5 dictionary.

Obviously this could be VERY helpful.

Best,

Dave B.



On Jan 15, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Another cool trick for RevServer is the use of:
> 
> set the errormode to "inline"
> 
> during development, this will output any error to the browser screen. I use
> this more than breakpoints.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 15 12:47:49 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:47:49 -0800
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <33BDE77E-2836-4F46-8286-A9AEFC3A8B12@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C775EA45.4725B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> That works great for Windows. For Macintosh you can try GamePad Pro on
> Version Tracker Link ->
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12293

This is good to know.  I have an old Sega Activator I've been trying to
figure out how to get going under OS X.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-UZv3AS-E

It has Sega's proprietary gamepad connector, but there was an old gamepad
adapter box that allowed connection of gamepads to Mac systems.  Sadly this
used an ADB connection, so between 2 port adapters and Mac OS 7 software,
I'm not sure if this FrankenController is worth trying to resurrect, but it
was a cool device, especially when used as a trigger for music.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri Jan 15 11:45:51 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:51 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fran?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?cophone?=
In-Reply-To: <23345299990129987443752663591191826350-Webmail@me.com>
References: <23345299990129987443752663591191826350-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <3892522E-F7C6-4C24-B87F-9E6E785A06AB@inria.fr>

Bonjour,

Parmi les suggestions faites jusqu'ici, je pencherais pour  
"routine" (il y a aussi "sous-routine") voire pour "proc?dure"
Mais on peut penser aussi ? "sous-programme"
Voir la d?finition donn?e par "Le jargon fran?ais" :
  http://www.linux-france.org/prj/jargonf/H/handler.html

bien cordialement de Genoble
Andr?

Le 15 janv. 10 ? 13:40, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> Une question pour les utilisateurs francophones de Revolution:
>
> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans  
> Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
>
> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
>
> J?r?me Rosat
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution





From jrosat at mac.com  Fri Jan 15 15:31:15 2010
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:31:15 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9_fran?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?cophone?=
In-Reply-To: <3892522E-F7C6-4C24-B87F-9E6E785A06AB@inria.fr>
References: <23345299990129987443752663591191826350-Webmail@me.com>
	<3892522E-F7C6-4C24-B87F-9E6E785A06AB@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <C6D20CF4-CB92-4DA9-BDD2-817E64378C20@mac.com>

Andr?, Yves, Jan, Medard, Richmond, Ren?, Jacques,

Merci pour vos r?ponses. Vous avez r?pondu ? ma curiosit?.

J'ai l'impression que la communaut? francophone de la liste Revolution se compte sur les dix doigts des mains. Dommage. Je comprends mieux maintenant pourquoi RunRev ne tient pas compte d'autres langages.

Salutations de Gen?ve.

J?r?me
 
Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 17:45, Andre.Bisseret a ?crit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> Parmi les suggestions faites jusqu'ici, je pencherais pour "routine" (il y a aussi "sous-routine") voire pour "proc?dure"
> Mais on peut penser aussi ? "sous-programme"
> Voir la d?finition donn?e par "Le jargon fran?ais" :
> http://www.linux-france.org/prj/jargonf/H/handler.html
> 
> bien cordialement de Genoble
> Andr?
> 
> Le 15 janv. 10 ? 13:40, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :
> 
>> Une question pour les utilisateurs francophones de Revolution:
>> 
>> Comment traduire le terme "handlers" qui est mentionn? dans Revolution ? Proc?dures ? Scripts ?
>> 
>> Merci d'avance pour vos r?ponses.
>> 
>> J?r?me Rosat
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 15:55:02 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:55:02 +0100
Subject: mouseStillDown - Problem for trapping the mouse btn number
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001141638l3e6dcd89w8fd3157c7c7c5f9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001141612o1dad526cuee6d2e5bf2bd0ce2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b71001141638l3e6dcd89w8fd3157c7c7c5f9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001151255n7a630da5g77a24602cc02debc@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/15 Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>:
>
> Copy-pasted your script and it worked in a stack (didn't test a
> standalone) on my Vista Rev4.0 Build950 set-up.

Not working for me.


2010/1/15 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>:
> I haven't tried this, but I assume it is an error in the docs. It may
> not be included for speed reasons.
> One work-around would be to store the mouse button in a script local
> on mouseDown. That way you could refer to it on every mouseStillDown
> without having to poll it again.

Anyway it seems logical.
It's like I'm putting the same value in a variable inside an infinite
loop. Not really useful and optimized...

For the moment this is the second time that I found an error in the
docs. I'll consider making a compilation after my reading 8)

Thanks Nicolas, Ren? and Sarah for your answers ;)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 16:29:36 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:29:36 +0100
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=
 francophone
In-Reply-To: <04F99809-4F5F-4335-A1B0-3A465D7F655C@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <1jcdso5.73y8zzcosqslM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> C'est toujours le cas pour "Bureau" dans Mac OS X

ouim?non...

dans Mac OS X, il s'agit juste d'une "?tiquette"
-- le nom r?el du fichier reste inchang? (il n'y a qu'? voir avec le
Terminal) c'est g?r? par le fichier invisible ".localized"




From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 16:29:37 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:29:37 +0100
Subject: [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=  francophone
In-Reply-To: <C6D20CF4-CB92-4DA9-BDD2-817E64378C20@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1jcdsz1.u1rpzltcsh2mM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:

> J'ai l'impression que la communaut? francophone de la liste Revolution se
> compte sur les dix doigts des mains. Dommage. Je comprends mieux
> maintenant pourquoi RunRev ne tient pas compte d'autres langages.

il y a sans doute beaucoup de ROMs (read only members)

sur la liste francophone h?berg?e par Yahoo, il y avait en octobre
dernier 107 membres !

<http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/revolutionfr/>




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:42:13 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:42:13 +0100
Subject: BLOBs to files - works great but...
In-Reply-To: <B64272FB-B154-414E-B2F9-2E0E4C6A159C@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C7726ADC.1014F%alex@a2technology.com>
	<64bda6471001130629r7089f576ra6c466b1615d53c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<B64272FB-B154-414E-B2F9-2E0E4C6A159C@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001151342u4ad7e976y10a3d2f10b894d36@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/13 Klaus Major <klaus at major.on-rev.com>:

> set the filetype to ""
> ...
> before you write your file(s) to disk.
>
> This way the Finder will be forced to check the file suffix and to open that file
> with the associated app when doubleclicked.
>
> I do this all the time and works fine.

Klaus, thanks for the trick. I'm going to update my script with it ;)


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:57:56 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:57:56 +1000
Subject: USB dance-pad with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <33BDE77E-2836-4F46-8286-A9AEFC3A8B12@mac.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001131947n23a83befv17bcd2c076b450c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AC2A1E8410C4832995890AB77CD3B54@GATEWAY>
	<95D09A49-FBC2-464E-BD9D-A5F7EA256E6B@mac.com>
	<4B4F5F62.3050300@pdslabs.net>
	<1e91b2b71001150352y4ccc0d66n548e84b264b2569f@mail.gmail.com>
	<33BDE77E-2836-4F46-8286-A9AEFC3A8B12@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001151357t1981fc36g9f084716f1ed6321@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
> That works great for Windows. For Macintosh you can try GamePad Pro on
> Version Tracker Link ->
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12293

Or USB Overdrive.

Cheers,
Sarah


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Jan 15 17:36:10 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:36:10 -0800
Subject: Do substacks work on the web?
Message-ID: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>

I'm trying to open a substack on a web build. It works on a standalone but when I open it from the web build nothing happens. The main app works fine.

How do I open a substack on a web build?

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important details of my life.



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jan 15 18:07:56 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:07:56 +0000
Subject: Do substacks work on the web?
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000270003B34D@192.168.168.3>


If i remember right, it worked here

with

go stack "YourSubstack" in the window of this stack

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Do substacks work on the web? (15-Jan-2010 23:41)
From:    Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I'm trying to open a substack on a web build. It works on a standalone but 
> when I open it from the web build nothing happens. The main app works fine.
> 
> How do I open a substack on a web build?
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important 
> details of my life.
> 
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> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kee at kagi.com  Fri Jan 15 18:53:56 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:53:56 -0800
Subject: htmltext to unicode
In-Reply-To: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
References: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44A50232-2327-4DFE-8A8F-A05E5DE0727E@kagi.com>

First, thanks to Devin Asay for the wonderful articles on Rev and Unicode.

Second, I'm going unicode with my code and I'm stumped.

There is a database I access and I get what appears to be HTML encoded text. For example:

I am not unicode text but what follows is:
&#12475;&#12461;&#12517;&#12522;&#12486;&#12451;&#12540; &#20491;&#20154;&#24773;&#22577; &#20195;&#37329;&#36820;&#21364;&#26041;&#37341; &#12504;&#12523;&#12503;
And although I have no idea what that says, it is UTF8 in the database.

I think this is what revtalk refers to as htmltext. I'd like to put this into a field as unicode (UTF16). How do I display this as the characters or glyphs that it should be viewed as, and how do I get it into UTF16? 

-- horrific thought --
Am I going to have to manually convert these HTML entities into UFT16 using the numtochar function for each set? 

Kee Nethery

From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 15 08:29:28 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:29:28 +0100
Subject: * [FR] Question pour la =?iso-8859-1?q?communaut=E9?=
 francophone
In-Reply-To: <8C67E595-D5B8-4945-A291-AE7797CAA1D1@rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <1jcd6o1.1sq8pp518jzrtdM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:

> But generally all programmers are using English, aren't they?

oui c'est vrai !
un anglais de cuisine, mais un anglais tout de m?me
bien s?r on n'a le m?me rapport avec le langage de programmation qu'un
native speaker -- et c'est peut-?tre mieux ainsi ;-)

d'ailleurs, toutes les tentatives pour "traduire"  un langage de
programmation ou de script en fran?ais  ont eu au moins un succ?s
d'estime (ou dand un cadre restreint, comme l'?ducation)

pensez au "basicois" qui devait remplacer le Basic !

-- 




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan 15 19:25:09 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:25:09 -0700
Subject: htmltext to unicode
In-Reply-To: <44A50232-2327-4DFE-8A8F-A05E5DE0727E@kagi.com>
References: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
	<44A50232-2327-4DFE-8A8F-A05E5DE0727E@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <913F1CBD-0F46-482B-812B-BB4B3E9A8737@byu.edu>

Kee,
On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

> First, thanks to Devin Asay for the wonderful articles on Rev and  
> Unicode.

Thanks. Glad it's helped.
>
> Second, I'm going unicode with my code and I'm stumped.
>
> There is a database I access and I get what appears to be HTML  
> encoded text. For example:
>
> I am not unicode text but what follows is:
> &#12475;&#12461;&#12517;&#12522;&#12486;&#12451;&#12540;  
> &#20491;&#20154;&#24773;&#22577;  
> &#20195;&#37329;&#36820;&#21364;&#26041;&#37341;  
> &#12504;&#12523;&#12503;
> And although I have no idea what that says, it is UTF8 in the  
> database.

These are HTML unicode entities.
>
> I think this is what revtalk refers to as htmltext. I'd like to put  
> this into a field as unicode (UTF16). How do I display this as the  
> characters or glyphs that it should be viewed as, and how do I get  
> it into UTF16?
>
> -- horrific thought --
> Am I going to have to manually convert these HTML entities into  
> UFT16 using the numtochar function for each set?

It's not as terrible as you fear. You have to make a couple of  
educated guesses about the language, but just do this:

Paste your unicode entities into a field, say, "code" and surround  
them with html tags:

<font face="Osaka"  
lang="ja">&#12475;&#12461;&#12517;&#12522;&#12486;&#12451;&#12540;  
&#20491;&#20154;&#24773;&#22577;  
&#20195;&#37329;&#36820;&#21364;&#26041;&#37341;  
&#12504;&#12523;&#12503;</font>

If they don't look quite right, try different fonts in the face  
attribute or other languages in the lang attribute. For example,  
Chinese Simplified is "zh-CN" and Traditional is "zh-TW". Google html  
language codes if you need to try others.

Then make another field "final" and do this:

set the htmltext of fld "final" to fld "code"

Now you have real unicode text and you can save it or do whatever you  
need by referring to the unicodeText of fld "final".

HTH,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan 15 19:28:25 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:28:25 -0700
Subject: htmltext to unicode
In-Reply-To: <44A50232-2327-4DFE-8A8F-A05E5DE0727E@kagi.com>
References: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
	<44A50232-2327-4DFE-8A8F-A05E5DE0727E@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <26C36664-6F94-4688-9287-60CA2E053175@byu.edu>

Oops. The hazards of non-linear editing. That last bit should read:

On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

> -- horrific thought --
> Am I going to have to manually convert these HTML entities into  
> UFT16 using the numtochar function for each set?

It's not as terrible as you fear. You have to make a couple of
educated guesses about the language, but just do this:

Paste your unicode entities into a field, say, "code" and surround
them with html tags:

<font face="Osaka"
lang="ja">&#12475;&#12461;&#12517;&#12522;&#12486;&#12451;&#12540;
&#20491;&#20154;&#24773;&#22577;
&#20195;&#37329;&#36820;&#21364;&#26041;&#37341;
&#12504;&#12523;&#12503;</font>

Then make another field "final" and do this:

set the htmltext of fld "final" to fld "code"

If they don't look quite right, try different fonts in the face
attribute or other languages in the lang attribute. For example,
Chinese Simplified is "zh-CN" and Traditional is "zh-TW". Google html
language codes if you need to try others.

Now you have real unicode text and you can save it or do whatever you
need by referring to the unicodeText of fld "final".

HTH,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 15 19:38:57 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:38:57 -0800
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone
Message-ID: <4B510AA1.1030104@fourthworld.com>

I have a DataGrid which works fine in the IDE, but in a standalone it 
draws only the appropriate number of alternating lines but no contents 
in those rows.

Because the problem is limited to the standalone it's difficult to pin 
down; I hope to have more details as I continue to poke around.

But I'm writing now just to see if any of you have come across such a 
thing, and how you resolved it.

TIA for any insight you can share....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 15 20:20:42 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:20:42 -0600
Subject: Do substacks work on the web?
In-Reply-To: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
References: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B51146A.6020401@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I'm trying to open a substack on a web build. It works on a
> standalone but when I open it from the web build nothing happens. The
> main app works fine.
> 
> How do I open a substack on a web build?

Revlets don't support secondary windows, so you can't. You can either 
open it in the same window, replacing the current contents, or you can 
display it as a second revlet on the same browser page, like this:

<http://jacque.on-rev.com/codebits/dualrevlets.irev>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kee at kagi.com  Fri Jan 15 20:22:09 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:22:09 -0800
Subject: htmltext to unicode
In-Reply-To: <26C36664-6F94-4688-9287-60CA2E053175@byu.edu>
References: <CAC64617-B7E2-4145-BE10-4CB6720613FC@mac.com>
	<44A50232-2327-4DFE-8A8F-A05E5DE0727E@kagi.com>
	<26C36664-6F94-4688-9287-60CA2E053175@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <3FB268AE-4E89-4227-8EB9-0BA59DAE2DB8@kagi.com>

I'm dealing with customers from around the world. I never know for a specific transaction whether they have unicode in their name and what language they are using. 

Is there a font on the Mac that I can just use for all characters? Like maybe Verdana? What about on Windows? 

Is there a generic language of say unicode that I can use for all text I want to display regardless what language the customer speaks and types in?

Thanks, Kee



On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Oops. The hazards of non-linear editing. That last bit should read:
> 
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:
> 
>> -- horrific thought --
>> Am I going to have to manually convert these HTML entities into UFT16 using the numtochar function for each set?
> 
> It's not as terrible as you fear. You have to make a couple of
> educated guesses about the language, but just do this:
> 
> Paste your unicode entities into a field, say, "code" and surround
> them with html tags:
> 
> <font face="Osaka"
> lang="ja">&#12475;&#12461;&#12517;&#12522;&#12486;&#12451;&#12540;
> &#20491;&#20154;&#24773;&#22577;
> &#20195;&#37329;&#36820;&#21364;&#26041;&#37341;
> &#12504;&#12523;&#12503;</font>
> 
> Then make another field "final" and do this:
> 
> set the htmltext of fld "final" to fld "code"
> 
> If they don't look quite right, try different fonts in the face
> attribute or other languages in the lang attribute. For example,
> Chinese Simplified is "zh-CN" and Traditional is "zh-TW". Google html
> language codes if you need to try others.
> 
> Now you have real unicode text and you can save it or do whatever you
> need by referring to the unicodeText of fld "final".
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Jan 15 20:24:48 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:24:48 +1100
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone
In-Reply-To: <4B510AA1.1030104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C7776090.8A79%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Is the datagrid in a separate stack (not a substack) that is opened by the
standalone?

Terry...


On 16/01/10 11:38 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I have a DataGrid which works fine in the IDE, but in a standalone it
> draws only the appropriate number of alternating lines but no contents
> in those rows.
> 
> Because the problem is limited to the standalone it's difficult to pin
> down; I hope to have more details as I continue to poke around.
> 
> But I'm writing now just to see if any of you have come across such a
> thing, and how you resolved it.
> 
> TIA for any insight you can share....
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>   revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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> preferences:
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan 15 21:32:35 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:32:35 -0500
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone
In-Reply-To: <4B510AA1.1030104@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B510AA1.1030104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3C616D05-E848-48FC-A87E-5DDEFF88096F@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 15, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I have a DataGrid which works fine in the IDE, but in a standalone  
> it draws only the appropriate number of alternating lines but no  
> contents in those rows.
>
> Because the problem is limited to the standalone it's difficult to  
> pin down; I hope to have more details as I continue to poke around.

How is the revDataGridLibrary being included when you build the  
standalone? I ask because I've seen problems with behaviors not being  
resolved properly if the Data Grid library isn't in memory when the  
stack with the Data Grid group controls loads.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Jan 15 23:09:06 2010
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:09:06 -0800
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
Message-ID: <095B6DE2-CB90-4667-9DDC-E5561262F3BA@mac.com>

Thanks Malte! 

I just have one little issue with the example. I have the aeEnterFrame deleting the grc "target" when there is a collision between the projectile and the grc "target." However, after it deletes the grc it throws up the script dialog box immediately with "password required" for the AnimationEngine stack.

I think it's related to the aeMoveDone call, because after I delete the grc "target" it can't complete the aeMoveTo nestled in the aeMoveDone call anymore.

I attempted to trap for this by adding some conditions based on the number of grc "target" (s), so that if it = 0 it would just exit aeMoveDone.  That didn't seem to help. Any suggestions?

Thanks for your help!

Thank you!

John Patten


--------------snip--------

Message: 25
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:45:43 +0100
From: Malte Pfaff-Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>
Subject: Re: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: <C68C4F21-E294-4F1F-9D62-82805C460630 at derbrill.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi John,

if you use AE 2.9 or higher, aeMoveTo is your friend.

aeMoveTo is a one line command that moves your object. it automatically sets up the needed timer to move the object and moves it from its current location to an end point you specify. You can apply an easing effect to the movement, which makes it look quite nicely. Also, aeMoveTo sends callback messages, while the object is moving.

Here is a starter. Assumes AE is in use and a button "projectile" and a button "target" exist. Also an image "cannon" Script is in the card:

on mouseDown
  set the loc of btn "projectile" to the loc of image "cannon"
  shoot
end mouseDown

on shoot
  aeMoveTo the long ID of btn "projectile",the mouseLoc,400,"inOut"
end shoot

on aeEnterFrame
  if intersect(btn "projectile",btn "target") then
     --more sophisticated collision detection goes here
     put "boom"
  end if
end aeEnterFrame

Hope that helps,

Malte

------------------------------


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat Jan 16 00:44:28 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:44:28 -0500
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
Message-ID: <122ED32E-4655-4FE1-A9BF-464E793C37CE@wehostmacs.com>

Why not hide the graphic(s) and when aeMoveDone is completed, delete  
the graphic(s) then?


From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jan 16 01:51:22 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:51:22 +0100
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
In-Reply-To: <20100103180007.3CA4748AA17@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100103180007.3CA4748AA17@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <757AD4DB-98AF-48E8-89BC-EE82E470034E@derbrill.de>

Hi John,

I guess this is a scenario I should trap for in AE (writing this on to do just now). As you figured out exactly, it throws an error, because AE tries to move an object, which is no longer existing. What you could do is either what Sean suggests: hide on collision, delete on aeMoveDone, or (this should work too) 

aeStopMoving the long ID of the target -- this tells ae to stop the move
delete the target


Hope that helps,

Malte



From joef1 at mac.com  Sat Jan 16 02:27:19 2010
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:27:19 -0500
Subject: Re-2: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
	<c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>

This is very interesting discussion to me and I'm sure it will be  
something that comes up for a lot of other on-rev users.
So, if possible, I hope one of you can follow up with a report on  
which method is better/easier, or has any problems in actual use.

I haven't toyed with it on on-rev yet, but I know that other ISPs  
limit remote access to things like MySQL based on IP addresses.
This kind of thing would be a problem for running a separate secure on- 
rev subdomain for transactions from another server, so if there's a  
definitive way to do it I think it might be useful to get the Rev folk  
to publish it to the website.

Thanks,
Joe F.


On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:54 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> 2010/1/10 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> a cname is an alias for an other domain.
>> That means it points directly to your on-rev domain.
>> e.g. shop.yourdomain.com would point directly  to yourname.on-rev.com
>> The same pages would be shown.
>>
>> With an a-record you can use this subdomain as a real domain on the  
>> on-rev
>> system.
>> You could have different folders for shop.yourdomain.com and
>> yourname.on-rev.com
>> So it would be possible to show different content for each domain.
>>
>
> OK yes - but why not just set up say:
>
>   - http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/
>
> And then point the C name record as:
>
>   - subdomain.mydomain.com  =>  subdomain.david.on-rev.com ?
>
> I'd still have different folders on on-rev - but are you saying that  
> I'd
> have different root folders and that
> http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/would then not ALSO point to
> subdomain.david.on-rev.com ? Still a bit confused - thanks for you  
> patience!
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 16 02:59:23 2010
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:59:23 +0100
Subject: Ask window and foreign language
Message-ID: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>

Hello,

It is possible to translate the "Cancel" button in the ask window ?

Thanks.




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan 16 03:16:08 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:16:08 -0800
Subject: Ask window and foreign language
In-Reply-To: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>
References: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>

Try this:

     set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to "ZZZZ"
     ask "Use what value?"

Phil


On 1/15/10 11:59 PM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It is possible to translate the "Cancel" button in the ask window ?
>
> Thanks.

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 16 03:21:45 2010
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:21:45 +0100
Subject: Ask window and foreign language
In-Reply-To: <4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
References: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>
	<4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <7698EC65-D8B0-440A-865A-3D27D5BEF2C8@laposte.net>


Le 16 janv. 10 ? 09:16, Phil Davis a ?crit :

>
> Try this:
>
>    set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to "ZZZZ"
>    ask "Use what value?"
>
> Phil

So simply ! Thanks !



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 16 03:34:20 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:34:20 -0800
Subject: Ask window and foreign language
In-Reply-To: <4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
References: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>
	<4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <19457909203.20100116003420@ahsoftware.net>

Phil-

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:16:08 AM, you wrote:

> Try this:

>      set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to "ZZZZ"
>      ask "Use what value?"

I fell asleep waiting for an answer...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Jan 16 03:36:38 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:36:38 -0800
Subject: Re-2: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
	<c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001160036s74b01a7cje75c19b08d190186@mail.gmail.com>

On-Rev MySQL as well as most MySQL installations are secured by IP, but you
can use the wildcard "%" instead for any IP.
This true at On-Rev.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/15 Joe F. <joef1 at mac.com>

> This is very interesting discussion to me and I'm sure it will be something
> that comes up for a lot of other on-rev users.
> So, if possible, I hope one of you can follow up with a report on which
> method is better/easier, or has any problems in actual use.
>
> I haven't toyed with it on on-rev yet, but I know that other ISPs limit
> remote access to things like MySQL based on IP addresses.
> This kind of thing would be a problem for running a separate secure on-rev
> subdomain for transactions from another server, so if there's a definitive
> way to do it I think it might be useful to get the Rev folk to publish it to
> the website.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe F.
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:54 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  2010/1/10 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> a cname is an alias for an other domain.
>>> That means it points directly to your on-rev domain.
>>> e.g. shop.yourdomain.com would point directly  to yourname.on-rev.com
>>> The same pages would be shown.
>>>
>>> With an a-record you can use this subdomain as a real domain on the
>>> on-rev
>>> system.
>>> You could have different folders for shop.yourdomain.com and
>>> yourname.on-rev.com
>>> So it would be possible to show different content for each domain.
>>>
>>>
>> OK yes - but why not just set up say:
>>
>>  - http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/
>>
>> And then point the C name record as:
>>
>>  - subdomain.mydomain.com  =>  subdomain.david.on-rev.com ?
>>
>> I'd still have different folders on on-rev - but are you saying that I'd
>> have different root folders and that
>> http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/would then not ALSO point to
>> subdomain.david.on-rev.com ? Still a bit confused - thanks for you
>> patience!
>> _______________________________________________
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan 16 03:43:22 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:43:22 -0800
Subject: Ask window and foreign language
In-Reply-To: <19457909203.20100116003420@ahsoftware.net>
References: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>	<4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
	<19457909203.20100116003420@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B517C2A.1080303@pdslabs.net>

LOL - maybe I should have said:

      set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to "!!!!"

;-)



On 1/16/10 12:34 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Phil-
>
> Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:16:08 AM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> Try this:
>>      
>    
>>       set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to "ZZZZ"
>>       ask "Use what value?"
>>      
> I fell asleep waiting for an answer...
>
>    

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Jan 16 05:59:30 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:59:30 +0100
Subject: A funny story: parent script for stack
Message-ID: <7EA81645-D990-4F38-A951-E1985A62F7D0@inria.fr>

Once upon a time (yesterday:), in order to get the same script for  
several list fields of a substack, I created a button as a behavior on  
this substack.
  Its script included a visual effect and a "find the selectedLine of  
list fields" (in order to go to a corresponding .card).

Then, from the message box, I set the behavior of several list fields  
to the long ID of this button.

I got a festival of visual effects!!!!

Clicking on any locked field triggered a visual effet, often 2 or 3 in  
a row! and this even on the main stack of the substack!
More, I was getting the same when selecting any row in any data grids  
of  the main stack!!!

Well, first of all, I tested If knocking at the door of my office  
triggered the same series of visual effect on my stack ;-o)) No!  
bizarre!

At last, I noticed that, on my tRev window, the substack was flagged  
as having a "Parent script"!
Ouups! I had inadvertently set the behavior of the substack to the  
behavior button (I had not think yet this was possible).

So I set the behavior of stack "mySubstack" to empty.
"bam" (as Jerry says ;-); all was in order!
THE END

So, as stacks can inherit a behavior, why this property is not  
included at the bottom of the basic properties pane of the Inspector,  
as it is for fields and buttons?

Once more : thank you Jerry for your superb tRev tool :-)

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat Jan 16 07:06:33 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:06:33 -0500
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
Message-ID: <37EDBA36-0954-4F97-9B27-04D5EB858FD6@wehostmacs.com>

I checked the documentation stack before posting the list and after  
Malte replied and there is no notation of "aeStopMove" listed in  
there.. Even using the search field returns two unrelated results..


From jrosat at mac.com  Sat Jan 16 07:57:30 2010
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:57:30 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_Question_pour_la_communaut=E9__fra?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ncophone?=
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Merci pour le lien. Je ne connaissais pas cette liste.

Le 15 janv. 2010 ? 22:29, Medard a ?crit :

> J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> J'ai l'impression que la communaut? francophone de la liste Revolution se
>> compte sur les dix doigts des mains. Dommage. Je comprends mieux
>> maintenant pourquoi RunRev ne tient pas compte d'autres langages.
> 
> il y a sans doute beaucoup de ROMs (read only members)
> 
> sur la liste francophone h?berg?e par Yahoo, il y avait en octobre
> dernier 107 membres !
> 
> <http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/revolutionfr/>
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 09:20:31 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:20:31 +0200
Subject: RunRev and old standalone choices?
In-Reply-To: <788163.78734.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <788163.78734.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B51CB2F.1030303@gmail.com>

On 15/01/2010 15:24, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>>> Hi Richmond
>>>
>>> The last version or rev that supported other platforms
>>>        
>> than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can
>> use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of
>> version 2.2.1
>>      
>>> Steer your browser to:
>>> <http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/>
>>> and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of
>>>        
>> the page.
>>      
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Jan Schenkel
>>>
>>>        
>> Thanks, Jan, for your help.
>>
>> Would you know where I could download 2.2.1 for Mac
>> &/or Windows from?
>>
>>      
> All this stuff used to be on the funrev.com FTP site, but has been removed a while ago.
>
> Through a bit of URL swizzling, I found the Windows download:
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revsetup.exe>
>
> And here's the MacOS 'Classic' download:
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.2.1/revolution.zip>
>
> But I couldn't find the MacOS X download.
>
> Another challenge is the license key - I believe this version didn't have the 10-lines-limited free edition anymore, but required a license key from the mothership, sent to you upon registering the download.
>    

That is correct.

However, as RunRev claim that RR 4 is better than RR 2.2.1 (which is 
obviously no true completely
across the board) they might "do the decent thing" and offer all holders 
of Licensed versions more recent
than 2.2.1 free licensed copies of 2.2.1 . . . .  :)

Actually, as my RR 4 licence works for 3.5 as well (!!!!), and as RR 4 
supposedly obviates all previous
versions I don't see why RunRev should object to licensed users having 
access to both all previous
downloads and licences for them.
> HTH,
>
> Jan Schenkel
>    



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 16 09:59:32 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:59:32 -0800
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED
Message-ID: <4B51D454.9030907@fourthworld.com>

Thank you Terry and Trevor for your feedback.

Trevor wrote:

 > On Jan 15, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> I have a DataGrid which works fine in the IDE, but in a standalone
 >> it draws only the appropriate number of alternating lines but no
 >> contents in those rows.
 >>
 >> Because the problem is limited to the standalone it's difficult to
 >> pin down; I hope to have more details as I continue to poke around.
 >
 > How is the revDataGridLibrary being included when you build the
 > standalone? I ask because I've seen problems with behaviors not
 > being resolved properly if the Data Grid library isn't in memory
 > when the stack with the Data Grid group controls loads.

I found a suitable workaround by simply resetting the behavior of my DG 
in the initialization script of the stack that it's in:

     set the behavior of grp "dgResults" to \
        the behavior of grp "dgResults"

But since this was just a workaround to let me get back to work, I still 
wanted to figure out what was going on.

I finally resolved it this morning.  Here's the bottom line, discovered 
after quite a bit of experimentation:

It appears that if any behavior is unresolved at runtime, the engine 
will fail to resolve any other behavior assignments it subsequently 
encounters which reference the same behavior object, even ones occurring 
after the behavior object has been safely loaded.

This may or may not be documented, depending on how you interpret this 
note from the ParentScriptNotes.txt file:

   Once resolution has failed for a parentScript reference, no attempt
   will be made to resolve it again *unless* the parentScript of an
   object is set to the same reference.

In my reading, "no attempt will be made to resolve it again" applies to 
the instance rather than the referenced object, implying that any given 
instance using a behavior will be attempted only once, but that each 
instance will indeed be attempted.

If that were the case, then if a behavior is defined in a library 
stackfile I would expect any object using that library to fail until 
that library has been loaded (for behaviors I load using the suggested 
"is a stack" test), but any object referencing the same behavior object 
loaded after the behavior library has been loaded should succeed.

In my tests, this appears not to be the case.  Instead, it seems that 
once any object attempting to use a referenced behavior cannot be 
resolved, any objects loaded later which reference the same behavior 
object will not be resolved, even if the behavior object has been loaded 
in the meantime.

In short, one mistake can make a lot of non-mistakes non-workable. :(

Perhaps by "*unless* the parentScript of an object is set to the same 
reference" they mean "reset again in script" rather than simply having 
been set in advance; with new stuff like this it's understandably easy 
to write ambiguously.

It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more 
relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in 
isolation:

<http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/behavior_test.zip>

The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed to 
reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening there.

If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running that 
test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I submit this to 
the RQCC.

I'm also open to the idea that this may be merely a documentation issue 
rather than an engine bug; if the current failure to resolve instance 
references seems reasonable to you, perhaps simply clarifying the 
ambiguity in the notes (and expanding the rather sparse Dictionary entry 
for behavior to include that) would suffice.


There is a second consideration here as well:

Currently the engine attempts to resolve all behavior references 
throughout a stack file, whether or not any of those substacks have been 
directly accessed in any way.

This means that anyone wishing to use libraries which define behaviors 
as external stack files must take care to make sure that any stacks that 
use such libs are also external to the standalone stack file.

It would seem to offer more flexibility for the developer if behavior 
references were resolved only when:
- the stack is opened
- the stack is brought into use with "start using"
- any of its objects are put into the frontScripts or backScripts

This may be a low priority for most folks, and is usually not an issue 
for me since my own framework externalizes everything (even the Splash 
screen, using only the slimmest possible stack in the executable itself).

But there may be times when it can be convenient to simply have UI 
stacks as substacks in the executable, while still having the libraries 
that drive them in separate stackfiles.

Your opinions on whether this is useful enough to pursue would be 
appreciated.


I should also note that while the Rev v3.5 DP1 ParentScriptNotes.txt 
describes a resolutionError message to be included in DP2, in v3.5, 
v4.0, and v4.5 it does not appear this message is sent.  It's not in the 
Dictionary, and my resolutionError handler does not trigger when 
unresolvable behavior references are encountered.

A silent failure in resolving behavior script lookups can eat up time in 
diagnosis.

If the resolutionError message not slated to become part of v4.5 it 
would be good if that could be confirmed by someone from RunRev Ltd. so 
I can give some thought to implementing workarounds in my runtime 
diagnostic tools.


Thanks again for your interest, and thanks in advance to anyone who 
offers their feedback on the above.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 16 11:11:01 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:11:01 -0600
Subject: A funny story: parent script for stack
In-Reply-To: <7EA81645-D990-4F38-A951-E1985A62F7D0@inria.fr>
References: <7EA81645-D990-4F38-A951-E1985A62F7D0@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <0F484B0C-A5B7-4CC7-BA07-29852B658CA9@me.com>

You are entirely welcome, Andr?!

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers

On Jan 16, 2010, at 4:59 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> Once upon a time (yesterday:), in order to get the same script for  
> several list fields of a substack, I created a button as a behavior  
> on this substack.
> Its script included a visual effect and a "find the selectedLine of  
> list fields" (in order to go to a corresponding .card).
>
> Then, from the message box, I set the behavior of several list  
> fields to the long ID of this button.
>
> I got a festival of visual effects!!!!
>
> Clicking on any locked field triggered a visual effet, often 2 or 3  
> in a row! and this even on the main stack of the substack!
> More, I was getting the same when selecting any row in any data  
> grids of  the main stack!!!
>
> Well, first of all, I tested If knocking at the door of my office  
> triggered the same series of visual effect on my stack ;-o)) No!  
> bizarre!
>
> At last, I noticed that, on my tRev window, the substack was flagged  
> as having a "Parent script"!
> Ouups! I had inadvertently set the behavior of the substack to the  
> behavior button (I had not think yet this was possible).
>
> So I set the behavior of stack "mySubstack" to empty.
> "bam" (as Jerry says ;-); all was in order!
> THE END
>
> So, as stacks can inherit a behavior, why this property is not  
> included at the bottom of the basic properties pane of the  
> Inspector, as it is for fields and buttons?
>
> Once more : thank you Jerry for your superb tRev tool :-)
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
>
> Andr?
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 16 11:36:35 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:36:35 +0100
Subject: [OT] TwistAWord support Haiti
Message-ID: <6E9D0EDA-CC0B-49A5-BF9B-A68C7CD68442@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Revolution gang,

Since we're with a lot of software developers here, while quite a few  
of you sell their software on-line, you might want to know about Indie 
+Relief. An inititative to support the victims of the Haiti disaster.  
If you are interested, have a look at <http://www.indierelief.com/>.

The RunRev-based word game TwistAWord will be one of the products  
participating in Indie+Relief. If you buy TwistAWord on 20 January  
2010, the revenues will go to Haiti. You can find more info about  
TwistAWord at <http://www.twistaword.net>.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net 
  and support the earthquake victims.



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 16 11:55:02 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:55:02 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Megabundle sale ends after Monday
Message-ID: <FD71A417-17D0-44F2-9374-C67BBA55009A@me.com>

Bundle lovers,

Since I have not seen the posted here, I thought I might mention that  
the RevSelect Megabundle sale ($4000 worth of software for $499) is  
still good through Monday. After that, it is no more.

You can read more about the Megabundle here:

    http://www.runrev.com/products/mega-bundle-09/

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Jan 16 12:04:37 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:04:37 +0100
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4B51D454.9030907@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B51D454.9030907@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A03FB41-F231-4F15-8F8D-DFC1F303E755@inria.fr>


Le 16 janv. 10 ? 15:59, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>
> It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more  
> relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in  
> isolation:
>
> <http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/behavior_test.zip>
>
> The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed  
> to reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening  
> there.
>
> If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running  
> that test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I  
> submit this to the RQCC.
...

Bonjour Richard,

I ran your test.
All happened exactly like your describe it in your "read me"
(Mac OSX 10.5.8; Rev 4.0)

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?






From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 12:05:02 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:05:02 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Megabundle sale ends after Monday
In-Reply-To: <FD71A417-17D0-44F2-9374-C67BBA55009A@me.com>
References: <FD71A417-17D0-44F2-9374-C67BBA55009A@me.com>
Message-ID: <4B51F1BE.7000506@gmail.com>

On 16/01/2010 18:55, Jerry Daniels wrote:
> Bundle lovers,
>
Are presumably people who are bundled:

"Bundling, or Tarrying, was the traditional practice of wrapping one 
person in a bed accompanied by another, usually as a part of courting 
behavior."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_(tradition)

Awfully sorry, just couldn't resist it.

Love, Richmond.


From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jan 16 12:05:57 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:05:57 +0100
Subject: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?
In-Reply-To: <20100105180005.BCA7F288190@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100105180005.BCA7F288190@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <075529B0-90F5-497A-A2EE-7FCC4267AA48@derbrill.de>

ss wrote: 

> there is no notation of "aeStopMove" listed in there..

You are absolutely correct. 
Not documenting essential commands is a strategy to generate traffic on the lists. Jokes aside: I?m sorry.
That command sliped through in the documentation.

addendum: 

aeStopMoving "all"

Will stop all controls that are currently moved using aeMoveTo.

All the best,

Malte

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 16 12:31:30 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:31:30 -0800
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED
Message-ID: <4B51F7F2.3040505@fourthworld.com>

Andre Bisseret wrote:

> Le 16 janv. 10 ? 15:59, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>>
>> It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more
>> relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in
>> isolation:
>>
>> <http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/behavior_test.zip>
>>
>> The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed
>> to reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening
>> there.
>>
>> If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running
>> that test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I
>> submit this to the RQCC.
> ...
>
> Bonjour Richard,
>
> I ran your test.
> All happened exactly like your describe it in your "read me"
> (Mac OSX 10.5.8; Rev 4.0)

Thanks for confirming that.

So what do you think:  is it a bug, a documentation error, or a user error?

Or maybe a better question would be:  What would you prefer it to do?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 16 13:40:04 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:40:04 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Tired of opening the same stacks over and over?
Message-ID: <324503F0-4448-4A5B-94AD-54ECCC588876@me.com>

tRev users and aficionados,

You really can avoid the painful, repetitive use of the Rev menu in  
opening your stacks! Just click a link in tRev's Scratch Pad and the  
stack is automatically stored in memory so you can work on its code.  
You don't even have to have it showing in Rev to do so. Big plus: less  
clutter; less mind-numbing tasks!

That's right! In addition to having fast access to a handler on which  
you were laboring, the tRev Scratch Pad also functions a work space.  
Watch tRev's Scratch Pad and Object Browser perform a virtual hat  
trick performing as a (1) handler navigator, (2) a stack loader and  
(3) a stack viewer:

     http://reveditor.com/tired-of-opening-the-same-stacks-over-and-ove

Want to go to that stack you have in memory now? Open the tRev Object  
Browser, select the stack name (or any object in it) and click the Go  
To column button or just type g. BAM! Your stack is now visible in Rev  
and you can work on it's properties or whatever.
[[posterous-content:0ljHKCasS4iQXumHRgaM]]

This little hat trick not only saves me OODLES of time, but it also  
keeps me from going postal (on a rampage with a rifle).

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 15:06:26 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:06:26 +0100
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4B51D454.9030907@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B51D454.9030907@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001161206q30f2d633m7531176495628cfd@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/16 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:

> <http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/behavior_test.zip>

Hi Richard,

This is doing same for me.

As soon as a button in a substack shared the same behavior than in the
mainstack, the both buttons doesn't work.

If a button is in the mainstack and there is none button with the same
behavior in the substack, it resolves its behavior
If a button is in the substack, it doesn't resolve its behavior.
If a button with an other behavior is in the mainstack but not in the
substack, it resolves its behavior, while the other button of your
test stack doesn't work.

Richard, it could be useful that you add in the "behavior test." a
button linked to a second behavior in the library in order to
illustrate that the behavior is only blocked when the same behavior is
called in the substack.

I'm not familiar with this feature yet, but looks like a bug.

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Jan 16 21:39:29 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:39:29 -0600
Subject: Can't seem to print the script of a card
Message-ID: <4B527861.6070006@crcom.net>

I'm trying to write a recursive stack printer and I'm having trouble 
with "unnamed" cards (i.e., cards that have the default name of "card id 
1002").

I use the following:

on printCards pStack
     put the cardNames of stack pStack into theCards

     repeat for each line c of theCards
         put the script of card c of stack pStack into theScript
         ...
     end repeat
end printCards

I get an error saying "Can't find card"  every time I hit a card that 
has never been named.  Is this not possible or am I doing something wrong?

len morgan


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 21:51:16 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:51:16 +1000
Subject: Can't seem to print the script of a card
In-Reply-To: <4B527861.6070006@crcom.net>
References: <4B527861.6070006@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001161851w40dbf394t9f9157f846d84b1e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> I'm trying to write a recursive stack printer and I'm having trouble with
> "unnamed" cards (i.e., cards that have the default name of "card id 1002").
>
> I use the following:
>
> on printCards pStack
> ? ?put the cardNames of stack pStack into theCards
>
> ? ?repeat for each line c of theCards
> ? ? ? ?put the script of card c of stack pStack into theScript
> ? ? ? ?...
> ? ?end repeat
> end printCards
>
> I get an error saying "Can't find card" ?every time I hit a card that has
> never been named. ?Is this not possible or am I doing something wrong?

The problem is that the default description for an un-named card
includes the word "card".
So you are effectively telling the script to print "card card id
1002", which does not exist.

You might be better using the cardIDs instead of the cardNames to
populate the original list.

Cheers,
Sarah


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Jan 16 22:02:26 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:02:26 -0600
Subject: Can't seem to print the script of a card
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001161851w40dbf394t9f9157f846d84b1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B527861.6070006@crcom.net>
	<f99b52861001161851w40dbf394t9f9157f846d84b1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B527DC2.6010808@crcom.net>

On 1/16/2010 8:51 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Len Morgan<len-morgan at crcom.net>  wrote:
>    
>> I'm trying to write a recursive stack printer and I'm having trouble with
>> "unnamed" cards (i.e., cards that have the default name of "card id 1002").
>>
>> I use the following:
>>
>> on printCards pStack
>>     put the cardNames of stack pStack into theCards
>>
>>     repeat for each line c of theCards
>>         put the script of card c of stack pStack into theScript
>>         ...
>>     end repeat
>> end printCards
>>
>> I get an error saying "Can't find card"  every time I hit a card that has
>> never been named.  Is this not possible or am I doing something wrong?
>>      
> The problem is that the default description for an un-named card
> includes the word "card".
> So you are effectively telling the script to print "card card id
> 1002", which does not exist.
>
> You might be better using the cardIDs instead of the cardNames to
> populate the original list.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>    

Thanks Sarah, that worked perfectly.

len


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Jan 16 22:16:58 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:58 -0600
Subject: Uniqueness of Group IDs
Message-ID: <4B52812A.9040409@crcom.net>

Now that Sarah solved my card name problems, I have a question about 
groups on stacks.

I don't want to print out the script of a group more than once if it's 
repeated on several cards.  My question is:

Is the group ID unique in a stack or could I have a group 1010 on one 
card and group 1010 on a different card that is a completely different 
group?  I know group IDs can be repeated in different stacks but I 
specifically concerned with group IDs in a single stack.

Thanks in advance,

len morgan


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Jan 16 22:34:48 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:34:48 -0600
Subject: Uniqueness of Group IDs
In-Reply-To: <4B52812A.9040409@crcom.net>
References: <4B52812A.9040409@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4B528558.9030903@crcom.net>

On 1/16/2010 9:16 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
> Now that Sarah solved my card name problems, I have a question about 
> groups on stacks.
>
> I don't want to print out the script of a group more than once if it's 
> repeated on several cards.  My question is:
>
> Is the group ID unique in a stack or could I have a group 1010 on one 
> card and group 1010 on a different card that is a completely different 
> group?  I know group IDs can be repeated in different stacks but I 
> specifically concerned with group IDs in a single stack.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> len morgan
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>
And to keep this line of questioning going, it seems I can't list the 
controls on a card, at least not by using:

put the number of controls of card 1 of stack pStack into 
theNumberOfControls

I thought maybe I'd just "select" the card first, then put the number of 
controls into theNumberOfControls,
but that gives me the error: Can't select an object that isn't open.  So 
it appears I can read the script of a card
that isn't open but I can't select the card.

I'm getting really confused.

len


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 16 23:41:14 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:41:14 -0800
Subject: Uniqueness of Group IDs
In-Reply-To: <4B528558.9030903@crcom.net>
References: <4B52812A.9040409@crcom.net> <4B528558.9030903@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <141130323078.20100116204114@ahsoftware.net>

Len-

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 7:34:48 PM, you wrote:

> And to keep this line of questioning going, it seems I can't list the
> controls on a card, at least not by using:

> put the number of controls of card 1 of stack pStack into 
> theNumberOfControls

> I thought maybe I'd just "select" the card first, then put the number of
> controls into theNumberOfControls,
> but that gives me the error: Can't select an object that isn't open.  So
> it appears I can read the script of a card
> that isn't open but I can't select the card.

try

push card
go invisible card "whatever" of stack pStack
do your thang
pop card

...and yes, group ids are unique.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan 17 00:40:14 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:40:14 -0800
Subject: Uniqueness of Group IDs
Message-ID: <4B52A2BE.6050606@fourthworld.com>

Len Morgan wrote:

> Is the group ID unique in a stack or could I have a group 1010 on one
> card and group 1010 on a different card that is a completely different
> group?  I know group IDs can be repeated in different stacks but I
> specifically concerned with group IDs in a single stack.

There is one serial number incrementer in a given atack, and every 
object is assigned the next available ID from that incrementer 
regardless of the object's type.

You'll find that the first card of a new stack is always ID 1002, and 
every object added after that increments from there up.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 17 02:09:34 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:09:34 -0600
Subject: Uniqueness of Group IDs
In-Reply-To: <4B528558.9030903@crcom.net>
References: <4B52812A.9040409@crcom.net> <4B528558.9030903@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4B52B7AE.9090506@hyperactivesw.com>

Len Morgan wrote:

> And to keep this line of questioning going, it seems I can't list the 
> controls on a card, at least not by using:
> 
> put the number of controls of card 1 of stack pStack into 
> theNumberOfControls

It works here. Double-check that your stack reference is correct. Or 
just set the defaultstack to the one you're interested in, and drop the 
stack reference entirely from the command. That's usually easier besides.

> I thought maybe I'd just "select" the card first, then put the number of 
> controls into theNumberOfControls,
> but that gives me the error: Can't select an object that isn't open.  So 
> it appears I can read the script of a card
> that isn't open but I can't select the card.

Cards can't be selected. You can go to them, or refer to them, or get 
their contents in various ways, but they aren't technically either 
objects or controls themselves. They're more like containers. But for 
what you're doing, you don't need to select the card, just refer to it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Jan 17 05:55:23 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:55:23 +0100
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4B51F7F2.3040505@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B51F7F2.3040505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <DFD069C0-9801-46DD-B5A9-216785E8E547@inria.fr>


Le 16 janv. 10 ? 18:31, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Andre Bisseret wrote:
>
>> Le 16 janv. 10 ? 15:59, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>>>
>>> It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more
>>> relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in
>>> isolation:
>>>
>>> <http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/behavior_test.zip>
>>>
>>> The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed
>>> to reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening
>>> there.
>>>
>>> If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running
>>> that test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I
>>> submit this to the RQCC.
>> ...
>>
>> Bonjour Richard,
>>
>> I ran your test.
>> All happened exactly like your describe it in your "read me"
>> (Mac OSX 10.5.8; Rev 4.0)
>
> Thanks for confirming that.
>
> So what do you think:  is it a bug, a documentation error, or a user  
> error?
>
> Or maybe a better question would be:  What would you prefer it to do?
>

Bonjour Richard,

If I understand well, I should not be much concerned as, like yours,  
my standalones are nearly empty except for the engine.
I used behavior for the first time only one week ago, AND I am not a  
"pro" programmer (as such, might be I too often accept oddities  just  
so, as soon as there is a workaround! So be cautious about my  
judgment ;-)) Hope others will chime in.

But your explanations are very clear, and your test convincing so that  
I think I understand quite well the problem.
I don't think it's a user error.
Sure the doc is ambiguous and should be far more accurate. My  
interpretation is that they are not meaning the parentScript has to be  
reset again in script".

Anyhow, seems to me it's not normal at all to have to (re)"set the  
behavior of btn 1 to the behavior of btn 1!!! I would not like to have  
to do that!!

So I think it's a bug; at the very least a rather big flaw that should  
be corrected. I agree with your requests at the end of your "readMe".
  It would be useful to submit that to the RQCC.

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 05:57:01 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:57:01 +0200
Subject: "Funny" standalones.
Message-ID: <4B52ECFD.30001@gmail.com>

This is a copy of a request I have just sent to RunRev support:

"I would be extremely grateful if you could make available to all 
holders of RunRev licences higher than
RunRev 2.2.1 licensed copies of RunRev 2.2.1 to enable them to make 
standalones for platforms that
are no longer officially supported by RunRev."

I wonder if they will respond at all, and if they do, how they will respond.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 17 10:02:35 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:02:35 +0000
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001170702t6621a10fpec5324ea15cb252@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal
video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a Rev
application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would
not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in
searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software):

you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder,
> then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero for
> example).
> putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC so
> the user does not need to navigate to some file manually.
>

I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within
Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder
create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know of?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:32:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:32:57 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>
	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>

Built "Metacard 4" on my Ubuntu Box (P4, 1.42 GHZ, 512 MB, Ubuntu 8.04.3 
LTS) using
J. Landman Gay's magic stack available at RevOnline.

Downloaded the BSD and HP9K700 engines from

http://www.hot.com.my/metacard/

saved them in a subdirectory inside my MC 4 directory; expanded their 
contents (twice)
into subdirectories labelled BSD and HP9K700 respectively

made a goofy, trial stack (i.e. 1 card with 1 button) and built a BSD 
standalone -
of course whether the thing works or not I am unable to tell . . .

the stack was 170 bytes, the putative standalone 1.7 MB, so, obviously, 
something
happened!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

HOWEVER; this circumvents any need to fossick out old versions of RunRev and
chase old serial numbers. It also (seems) to avoid having to save stacks 
into legacy
format.


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:37:38 2010
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:37:38 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>
	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr> 
	<4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>

Wait - is that HP 9000 series 700?  Is that what the HP9k700 means?

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:32, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Built "Metacard 4" on my Ubuntu Box (P4, 1.42 GHZ, 512 MB, Ubuntu 8.04.3
> LTS) using
> J. Landman Gay's magic stack available at RevOnline.
>
> Downloaded the BSD and HP9K700 engines from
>
> http://www.hot.com.my/metacard/
>
> saved them in a subdirectory inside my MC 4 directory; expanded their
> contents (twice)
> into subdirectories labelled BSD and HP9K700 respectively
>
> made a goofy, trial stack (i.e. 1 card with 1 button) and built a BSD
> standalone -
> of course whether the thing works or not I am unable to tell . . .
>
> the stack was 170 bytes, the putative standalone 1.7 MB, so, obviously,
> something
> happened!
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> HOWEVER; this circumvents any need to fossick out old versions of RunRev
> and
> chase old serial numbers. It also (seems) to avoid having to save stacks
> into legacy
> format.
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And God said, "This is good."


From billziegler at mac.com  Sun Jan 17 11:38:44 2010
From: billziegler at mac.com (William Ziegler)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:38:44 -0500
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
Message-ID: <A189353A-ADD5-4D2B-8E0D-CDBA645FF429@mac.com>

I have a stack that allows teachers and parents to attach videos for  
students to write sentences about. These videos are created with  
various devices and thus have different heights and widths.  I  
currently store these videos in a default folder, and use a 'Player',  
which I probe for the Height and Width to resize large clips to a set  
maximum size.

Teachers have asked if I could package all the videos into each stack  
to make it easier to send home and/or share lessons with other teachers.

I am having a hard time manipulating videoclips with the PLAY command  
as compared to using a 'Player' with external video files.

Player example:

create player "myPlayer"
Set the filename of player "myPlayer" to fName
put the width of  player "myPlayer" into realWidth
put the height of player "myPlayer" into realHeight
if the height of player "myPlayer" > 330 then
put 330/realHeight into theRatio
set the height of player "myPlayer" to theRatio *RealHeight
etc.

I know I can set the RATIO of stack based videoclips, but how can I  
find their initial size in order to know if their image will be too  
large?

Is my best option to store the clips in the stack, temporarily export  
them to the hard drive when needed,use the file in a 'Player', then  
delete the file when finished.

Bill 


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:43:25 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:43:25 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>
	<4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B533E2D.5010407@gmail.com>

On 17/01/2010 18:37, Mikey wrote:
> Wait - is that HP 9000 series 700?  Is that what the HP9k700 means?
>
>    
As far as I know, yes.


From rabit at dimensionB.de  Sun Jan 17 11:57:16 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:57:16 +0100
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
Message-ID: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>


revIgniter v1.0 Beta has been released ready
for download. revIgniter is no longer in Alpha state.
It is now stable enough, that anybody who is
interested is encouraged to give it a try.

What's new? This version (1.0b) includes
a new library, which helps in manipulating images.
The image library lets you perform image resizing,
thumbnail creation, image cropping, image rotating
and image watermarking, for display purposes even without
writing images to disk.

Info and download at: http://www.revigniter.com/

Have fun!


Ralf


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 12:07:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:07:43 +0200
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
In-Reply-To: <A189353A-ADD5-4D2B-8E0D-CDBA645FF429@mac.com>
References: <A189353A-ADD5-4D2B-8E0D-CDBA645FF429@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B5343DF.6080606@gmail.com>

On 17/01/2010 18:38, William Ziegler wrote:
> I have a stack that allows teachers and parents to attach videos for 
> students to write sentences about. These videos are created with 
> various devices and thus have different heights and widths.  I 
> currently store these videos in a default folder, and use a 'Player', 
> which I probe for the Height and Width to resize large clips to a set 
> maximum size.
>
> Teachers have asked if I could package all the videos into each stack 
> to make it easier to send home and/or share lessons with other teachers.
>
> I am having a hard time manipulating videoclips with the PLAY command 
> as compared to using a 'Player' with external video files.
>
> Player example:
>
> create player "myPlayer"
> Set the filename of player "myPlayer" to fName
> put the width of  player "myPlayer" into realWidth
> put the height of player "myPlayer" into realHeight
> if the height of player "myPlayer" > 330 then
> put 330/realHeight into theRatio
> set the height of player "myPlayer" to theRatio *RealHeight
> etc.
>
> I know I can set the RATIO of stack based videoclips, but how can I 
> find their initial size in order to know if their image will be too 
> large?
>
> Is my best option to store the clips in the stack, temporarily export 
> them to the hard drive when needed,use the file in a 'Player', then 
> delete the file when finished.

NOT REALLY:

1. You cannot (as far as I know) export videoClips or audioClips that 
are embedded in a stack

(actually this is an old chestnut I have been banging on about for ages 
and ages)

2. If you bung all your video files in a stack the RAM overhead will 
skyrocket, and on machines
that don't have buckets of RAM everything will grind to an untimely halt.

What you could do (as I did when faced with a similar problem with about 
200 videoClips about
7 years ago) is pop each videoClip into its own substack; that way all 
your videoClips won't be clogging
up the RAM at once; as you need each clip you can load the substack, 
play the thing, and then
close it - thereby offloading the videoClip from the RAM, freeing RAM 
for the next one.

>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 12:22:58 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:22:58 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>
	<4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B534772.20101@gmail.com>

On 17/01/2010 18:37, Mikey wrote:
> Wait - is that HP 9000 series 700?  Is that what the HP9k700 means?
>
>    

This is worth reading:

"MetaCard 2.5 is supported on 68K and PPC Macintosh systems running 
MacOS 7.1 through 9.X, with a separate Carbon engine for use with Mac OS 
X. The Win32 engine runs on Windows 95, 98 and NT and Windows 3.1 
systems with the Win32s library (see the README for installation 
instructions and a list of features not available under Win32s). Nine 
popular UNIX/X11 platforms are also supported: Solaris SPARC, Solaris 
x86, DEC Alpha, SGI IRIS, HP-9000/700, IBM RS/6000, SCO ODT, BSD UNIX, 
Linux Intel, and LinuxPPC."

from:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031009200733/www.metacard.com/pi3.html

Personally, I'm extremely 'turned on' by this bit:

"Nine popular UNIX/X11 platforms are also supported: Solaris SPARC, 
Solaris x86, DEC Alpha, SGI IRIS, HP-9000/700, IBM RS/6000, SCO ODT, BSD 
UNIX, Linux Intel, and LinuxPPC."

most of those options have become Boojums with RunRev; i.e. they have 
softly and silently
vanished away.

which is an awful shame

NOW . . . the big and burning question has to be . . . How many of the 
features implemented
after RR 2.2.1 will function in builds made with 'Mortal Engines' ?


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 12:33:07 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:33:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
In-Reply-To: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <953647.70836.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Wunderbar

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionB.de> wrote:

> From: Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionB.de>
> Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 10:57 AM
> 
> revIgniter v1.0 Beta has been released ready
> for download. revIgniter is no longer in Alpha state.
> It is now stable enough, that anybody who is
> interested is encouraged to give it a try.
> 
> What's new? This version (1.0b) includes
> a new library, which helps in manipulating images.
> The image library lets you perform image resizing,
> thumbnail creation, image cropping, image rotating
> and image watermarking, for display purposes even without
> writing images to disk.
> 
> Info and download at: http://www.revigniter.com/
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> 
> Ralf
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
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> 


      


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sun Jan 17 12:35:31 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:35:31 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B534772.20101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF1A2F0236.D35D9700-ON852576AE.005FBF4A-852576AE.0060A43F@sealedair.com>

Richmond wrote:
> "Nine popular UNIX/X11 platforms are also supported: Solaris SPARC,
> Solaris x86, DEC Alpha, SGI IRIS, HP-9000/700, IBM RS/6000, SCO ODT, BSD
> UNIX, Linux Intel, and LinuxPPC."
>
> most of those options have become Boojums with RunRev; i.e. they have
> softly and silently
> vanished away.
>
> which is an awful shame

I remember this. I am or WAS one of the few users of the SGI IRIS platform.
RunRev had the words "Coming Soon" beside the download link for IRIS for 2+
years... then it just went away. Our perfectly good SGI machines are in
storage awaiting disposal. So sad.

Currently, I am thrilled by the new functionality offered by the new revWeb
plugin. However, I fear the words I see on the link for the Linux version,
which reads, "Coming Soon".
http://revweb.runrev.com/downloads.php

~Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 17 13:12:35 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:12:35 -0600
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B534772.20101@gmail.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>	<4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>	<9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B534772.20101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B535313.7010100@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Personally, I'm extremely 'turned on' by this bit:
> 
> "Nine popular UNIX/X11 platforms are also supported: Solaris SPARC, 
> Solaris x86, DEC Alpha, SGI IRIS, HP-9000/700, IBM RS/6000, SCO ODT, BSD 
> UNIX, Linux Intel, and LinuxPPC."
> 
> most of those options have become Boojums with RunRev; i.e. they have 
> softly and silently
> vanished away.
> 
> which is an awful shame

We need a show of hands of how many people actually would use those 
platforms. Last count, almost zero, except for Linux -- which is the 
variant the team chose to continue to support. The time and effort to 
produce engines optimized for each 'nix variant can't be justified by 
the tiny or non-existent number of people likely to use them. The 2.1 
engines were made for MetaCard by Dr. Raney. There were almost no takers 
for those platforms even back then, and now that Linux is the most 
popular, there are virtually none. Personally I'm very happy that the 
engineers are working on the engines that most people use.

> 
> NOW . . . the big and burning question has to be . . . How many of the 
> features implemented
> after RR 2.2.1 will function in builds made with 'Mortal Engines' ?

Anything implemented in later engines will of course fail in older ones. 
I'm surprised you had to ask.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:06:23 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:06:23 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B535313.7010100@hyperactivesw.com>
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On 17/01/2010 20:12, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'm extremely 'turned on' by this bit:
>>
>> "Nine popular UNIX/X11 platforms are also supported: Solaris SPARC, 
>> Solaris x86, DEC Alpha, SGI IRIS, HP-9000/700, IBM RS/6000, SCO ODT, 
>> BSD UNIX, Linux Intel, and LinuxPPC."
>>
>> most of those options have become Boojums with RunRev; i.e. they have 
>> softly and silently
>> vanished away.
>>
>> which is an awful shame
>
> We need a show of hands of how many people actually would use those 
> platforms. Last count, almost zero, except for Linux -- which is the 
> variant the team chose to continue to support. The time and effort to 
> produce engines optimized for each 'nix variant can't be justified by 
> the tiny or non-existent number of people likely to use them. The 2.1 
> engines were made for MetaCard by Dr. Raney. There were almost no 
> takers for those platforms even back then, and now that Linux is the 
> most popular, there are virtually none. Personally I'm very happy that 
> the engineers are working on the engines that most people use.
>
>>
>> NOW . . . the big and burning question has to be . . . How many of 
>> the features implemented
>> after RR 2.2.1 will function in builds made with 'Mortal Engines' ?
>
> Anything implemented in later engines will of course fail in older 
> ones. I'm surprised you had to ask.
>
I had to ask because, before I owned RunRev Studio 4 I had to rely on 
stacks made with Dreamcard 2.6.1;
and on the rare occasions I needed a build I used RunRev 2.0.1 - and all 
the stuff I used in 2.6.1 worked
its way into the 2.0.1 builds very successfully - as I never really 
bothered to track which components were
advances from 2.0.1 to 2.6.1 I had no way of knowing whether the fact 
was that with 2.6.1 I was only using features that pre-existed in 2.0.1 
or the 2.0.1 standalone builder was magically coping with 2.6.1 features.

This was especially confusing because shortly after I acquired 2.6.1 and 
built a standalone with 2.0.1 it
downloaded new versions of the engines.

The previous reply to my posting that revolves around SGI IRIS computers 
rotting in cupboards is quite
informative to my mind.

As you can see, somebody else is interested in something to do with HP 
9000 series 700 machines.

I myself, have a large number of computers rotting in my attic in 
Scotland (about 5 Performa 52xx
Macs) which are perfectly serviceable, except for the fact that it would 
be JOLLY NICE to leverage
features implemented in RunRevs 3.5 and 4 on Mac OS 8.1 . . .  I am 
seriously tempted to cart them
to Bulgaria this coming summer (when I will be driving to Scotland and 
back) as I may be moving into
bigger school premises where I could easily accommodate 5 or 6 machines. 
I also have been offered
the opportunity to get my hands on a half-dozen G3 slot-loading iMacs 
that are being 'deprecated' at
an educational institution in Scotland - they will cope with Mac OS X 
10.4.9 but will run far more
efficiently on 9.1.

And I am quite sure that I am not the only "retro nutter" out there.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

"Fooling around" with Metacard and engines is not to everybody's taste 
or abilities, and I, personally
entirely agree with what you say about:

"The time and effort to produce engines optimized for each 'nix variant 
can't be justified by the tiny or non-existent number of people likely 
to use them."

and I am really just playing the devil's advocate because somebody was 
asking about BSD builds and I thought
it might be 'fun' to see what could be done in that direction . . .

http://www.freebsd.org/

certainly doesn't look as if it is going to disappear up its own WXYZ 
any time soon.

So, I have written directly to RunRev (see earlier posting) to ask if 
they would be so kind as to issue
2.2.1 and engines with licence numbers to any Studio and Enterprise 
owners who might be interested;

I don't see quite how they would object . . .  :)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

My own interest lies in the direction of Linux PPC as am wondering 
whether it is not a good
idea to run Ubuntu PPC:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads

on G3 iMacs rather than Mac OS 9  (I have had a PPC macMini running 
Ubuntu PPC 8.0.4 for quite
some time, but got cheesed-off when I realised I was unable to author 
standalones to run on it).

Now while a lot of engines that work really dandily with Metacard are 
available at:

http://www.hot.com.my/metacard/

I cannot see one for Linux PPC.

As the stuff I have authored for educational use was largely composed on 
RunRev 2.2.1 for Linux
a version of 2.2.1 that had access to Linux PPC would either 'solve my 
problem' or rapidly
disabuse me of any illusions I might be suffering from . . . :)


From bfr at nwlink.com  Sun Jan 17 14:16:21 2010
From: bfr at nwlink.com (Bruce Robertson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:16:21 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I myself, have a large number of computers rotting in my attic in Scotland (about 5 Performa 52xx
> Macs) which are perfectly serviceable, except for the fact that it would be JOLLY NICE to leverage
> features implemented in RunRevs 3.5 and 4 on Mac OS 8.1 . . .  I am seriously tempted to cart them
> to Bulgaria this coming summer (when I will be driving to Scotland and back) as I may be moving into
> bigger school premises where I could easily accommodate 5 or 6 machines. I also have been offered
> the opportunity to get my hands on a half-dozen G3 slot-loading iMacs that are being 'deprecated' at
> an educational institution in Scotland - they will cope with Mac OS X 10.4.9 but will run far more
> efficiently on 9.1.
> 
> And I am quite sure that I am not the only "retro nutter" out there.

And the incentive here for RunRev is what?

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 17 14:31:06 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:31:06 -0600
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> So, I have written directly to RunRev (see earlier posting) to ask if 
> they would be so kind as to issue
> 2.2.1 and engines with licence numbers to any Studio and Enterprise 
> owners who might be interested;

You will receive an answer, but it will probably take some time. The 
company has suffered two deaths within a very short time span, the tech 
queue is still somewhat backlogged from the holidays (though we're 
catching up) which is amplified by the fact that Heather is working much 
shorter hours recently because she needs to attend to her family. I am 
volunteering extra hours to help but I don't know the answers to much of 
what's in there, so those tickets are still sitting in the queue until I 
can find out. Tickets are being triaged by urgency, and a question like 
yours will not take priority right now.

Mailing list memories are very short, but over at the office they are 
still recovering. The double blow was extremely difficult. All the staff 
are jumping in to help, and many are doing things outside their job 
descriptions, but some things just have to wait. So be patient.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:33:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:33:34 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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On 17/01/2010 21:16, Bruce Robertson wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>    
>> I myself, have a large number of computers rotting in my attic in Scotland (about 5 Performa 52xx
>> Macs) which are perfectly serviceable, except for the fact that it would be JOLLY NICE to leverage
>> features implemented in RunRevs 3.5 and 4 on Mac OS 8.1 . . .  I am seriously tempted to cart them
>> to Bulgaria this coming summer (when I will be driving to Scotland and back) as I may be moving into
>> bigger school premises where I could easily accommodate 5 or 6 machines. I also have been offered
>> the opportunity to get my hands on a half-dozen G3 slot-loading iMacs that are being 'deprecated' at
>> an educational institution in Scotland - they will cope with Mac OS X 10.4.9 but will run far more
>> efficiently on 9.1.
>>
>> And I am quite sure that I am not the only "retro nutter" out there.
>>      
> And the incentive here for RunRev is what?_______________________________________________
>    

Probably nothing; but there seems to be no downside for them either.

If you come to my house and ask me for the 3 chairs that are stored in 
the cellar because
I no longer need them you are welcome to them: doesn't really benefit 
me, doesn't hurt
me either - but if you can use the chairs, that's super.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:55:08 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:55:08 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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On 17/01/2010 21:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> So, I have written directly to RunRev (see earlier posting) to ask if 
>> they would be so kind as to issue
>> 2.2.1 and engines with licence numbers to any Studio and Enterprise 
>> owners who might be interested;
>
> You will receive an answer, but it will probably take some time. The 
> company has suffered two deaths within a very short time span, the 
> tech queue is still somewhat backlogged from the holidays (though 
> we're catching up) which is amplified by the fact that Heather is 
> working much shorter hours recently because she needs to attend to her 
> family. 

I am well aware of the situation there, and far from wanting to be a 
thorn in the flesh I can wait; and, ultimately,
I won't lose any sleep if I never receive a reply. However I will lose 
quite a lot of sleep if I feel that my message
is the straw that breaks the camel's back of an overloaded, grieving 
workforce.

> I am volunteering extra hours to help but I don't know the answers to 
> much of what's in there, so those tickets are still sitting in the 
> queue until I can find out. Tickets are being triaged by urgency, and 
> a question like yours will not take priority right now.

Ha, Ha, Ha . . . right down at the bottom; and I am well aware of that; 
but, hey, I've always been a bit of a
chancer . . .  :)

>
> Mailing list memories are very short, but over at the office they are 
> still recovering. The double blow was extremely difficult. 

Bill seemed a super chap when I met him in the summer, and I can only 
offer (again) my electronic
tears. As for Kevin's niece, in many ways that is even sadder, when one 
is taken when so young the
world seems dreadfully unfair - and it must feel like a kick in the 
pants. I became aware in the summer
just how family-style the Runtime Revolution company is, and, frankly, 
that was far more interesting
and enlightening than anything I learnt at the conference itself. For 
what its worth all the good folk
at the Edinburgh office are in my thoughts/prayers.

> All the staff are jumping in to help, and many are doing things 
> outside their job descriptions, but some things just have to wait. So 
> be patient.
>
I have always thought that job descriptions were utter rubbish; in all 
the places I have ever worked I have
been required to work outwith some sort of silly job description - 
except my current job, where as sole
owner and operator of my language school my job description is 
"everything, everything and everything"
- just blown the main fuse trying to sort out some outside lights . . .   :)

"Be patient" . . . I live in Bulgaria, and have lived in Islamic 
countries where the people have patience
down to a fine art; and if incomers don't acquire it pretty quickly 
things go badly sour even more
quickly.

part of my last posting was about personal needs/wishes re Linux PPC and 
as my time frame for that
is about 8 months I can be fairly patient . . .  :)

Mind you . . . if you could point me to a Linux PPC engine for Metacard 
I could start fooling around now.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 17 15:12:05 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:12:05 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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Richmond-

Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:33:34 AM, you wrote:

> If you come to my house and ask me for the 3 chairs

...for Captain Spaulding, no doubt...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 15:34:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:34:21 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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On 17/01/2010 22:12, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:33:34 AM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> If you come to my house and ask me for the 3 chairs
>>      
> ...for Captain Spaulding, no doubt...
>
>    
I'm sorry I don't understand the reference; do tell!


From billziegler at mac.com  Sun Jan 17 15:52:37 2010
From: billziegler at mac.com (William Ziegler)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:52:37 -0500
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
Message-ID: <8B214FEB-1CDD-424D-AE69-73D471C43204@mac.com>


Thanks for the tip Richard, but I'll still need to check the video  
height and width to be sure it fits on the screen in the correct  
place. If it can't be queried once it's in the stack or subStack as a  
videoClip  can I constrain the final imported videoClip through a  
script when I import it from the file? I fit the video, no more than 5  
- 10 seconds worth, in a button that is the correct size, when the  
teacher is previewing it. That is the size I need it for later on for  
a student "reward". Can I play a videoClip within the rect of  a  
button? There doesn't seem to be a lot of references to manipulating  
videoClips as there are with "Players".

Bill



On 17/01/2010 18:38, William Ziegler wrote:
> I have a stack that allows teachers and parents to attach videos for
> students to write sentences about. These videos are created with
> various devices and thus have different heights and widths.  I
> currently store these videos in a default folder, and use a 'Player',
> which I probe for the Height and Width to resize large clips to a set
> maximum size.
>
> Teachers have asked if I could package all the videos into each stack
> to make it easier to send home and/or share lessons with other  
> teachers.
>
> I am having a hard time manipulating videoclips with the PLAY command
> as compared to using a 'Player' with external video files.
>
> Player example:
>
> create player "myPlayer"
> Set the filename of player "myPlayer" to fName
> put the width of  player "myPlayer" into realWidth
> put the height of player "myPlayer" into realHeight
> if the height of player "myPlayer" > 330 then
> put 330/realHeight into theRatio
> set the height of player "myPlayer" to theRatio *RealHeight
> etc.
>
> I know I can set the RATIO of stack based videoclips, but how can I
> find their initial size in order to know if their image will be too
> large?
>
> Is my best option to store the clips in the stack, temporarily export
> them to the hard drive when needed,use the file in a 'Player', then
> delete the file when finished.

NOT REALLY:

1. You cannot (as far as I know) export videoClips or audioClips that
are embedded in a stack

(actually this is an old chestnut I have been banging on about for ages
and ages)

2. If you bung all your video files in a stack the RAM overhead will
skyrocket, and on machines
that don't have buckets of RAM everything will grind to an untimely  
halt.

What you could do (as I did when faced with a similar problem with about
200 videoClips about
7 years ago) is pop each videoClip into its own substack; that way all
your videoClips won't be clogging
up the RAM at once; as you need each clip you can load the substack,
play the thing, and then
close it - thereby offloading the videoClip from the RAM, freeing RAM
for the next one.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 16:26:02 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:26:02 +0200
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
In-Reply-To: <8B214FEB-1CDD-424D-AE69-73D471C43204@mac.com>
References: <8B214FEB-1CDD-424D-AE69-73D471C43204@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B53806A.1090004@gmail.com>

On 17/01/2010 22:52, William Ziegler wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip Richard, 

Who is 'Richard'?

> but I'll still need to check the video height and width to be sure it 
> fits on the screen in the correct place. If it can't be queried once 
> it's in the stack or subStack as a videoClip  can I constrain the 
> final imported videoClip through a script when I import it from the 
> file? I fit the video, no more than 5 - 10 seconds worth, in a button 
> that is the correct size, when the teacher is previewing it. That is 
> the size I need it for later on for a student "reward". Can I play a 
> videoClip within the rect of  a button? There doesn't seem to be a lot 
> of references to manipulating videoClips as there are with "Players".

A player is a Control, a videoClip is not

unfortunately a videoClip is shown as having dimensions 0 by 0

[ Tools/Application Browser  if you right-click on your video-clip you 
can see its property palette ]

You can set it width and height to whatever you want:

on mouseUp
    set the width of videoClip "CALC" to 300
    set the height of videoClip "CALC" to 300
    play videoClip "CALC"
end mouseUp

  but it does NOT affect its playback size at all! a bl***y nuisance.

You can set a videoClip's size to 2,3,4 times its normal size via its 
property palette, but that is not really
going to help you much.
>
> Bill
>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 17 17:12:45 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:12:45 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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Richmond-

Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:34:21 PM, you wrote:

> I'm sorry I don't understand the reference; do tell!

This is the best I can come up with at the moment:

http://www.filmsite.org/anim2.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 17 17:43:56 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:43:56 -0600
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
In-Reply-To: <A189353A-ADD5-4D2B-8E0D-CDBA645FF429@mac.com>
References: <A189353A-ADD5-4D2B-8E0D-CDBA645FF429@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B5392AC.2070805@hyperactivesw.com>

William Ziegler wrote:
> I have a stack that allows teachers and parents to attach videos for 
> students to write sentences about. These videos are created with various 
> devices and thus have different heights and widths.  I currently store 
> these videos in a default folder, and use a 'Player', which I probe for 
> the Height and Width to resize large clips to a set maximum size.
> 
> Teachers have asked if I could package all the videos into each stack to 
> make it easier to send home and/or share lessons with other teachers.
> 
> I am having a hard time manipulating videoclips with the PLAY command as 
> compared to using a 'Player' with external video files.

I'd forget the videoclip idea and stick with players. A common way to 
package everything in the same stack is to set a custom property of the 
stack to the binary data of the movie on disk. That way it travels with 
the stack. When you want to actually play the movie, you write the 
custom property to a temporary file on disk, and then load it into a 
player object just like you did originally. When you're done with the 
movie, delete the temporary file.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jan 17 18:26:49 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:26:49 +0100
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
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Hi,

I have created a poll about currently unsupported operating systems in  
the feature requests section of the RunRev forum.

<http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4717&p=20927>

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net 
  and support the earthquake victims.



From billziegler at mac.com  Sun Jan 17 18:57:35 2010
From: billziegler at mac.com (William Ziegler)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:57:35 -0500
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
Message-ID: <32067E2F-4893-495D-A5BB-4170C8D404D0@mac.com>

Thanks Jacqueline and Richard

Any sources for tutorials with sample scripts on setting custom disk  
property to binary data?

bill

William Ziegler wrote:
 > I have a stack that allows teachers and parents to attach videos for
 > students to write sentences about. These videos are created with  
various
 > devices and thus have different heights and widths.  I currently  
store
 > these videos in a default folder, and use a 'Player', which I probe  
for
 > the Height and Width to resize large clips to a set maximum size.
 >
 > Teachers have asked if I could package all the videos into each  
stack to
 > make it easier to send home and/or share lessons with other teachers.
 >
 > I am having a hard time manipulating videoclips with the PLAY  
command as
 > compared to using a 'Player' with external video files.

I'd forget the videoclip idea and stick with players. A common way to
package everything in the same stack is to set a custom property of the
stack to the binary data of the movie on disk. That way it travels with
the stack. When you want to actually play the movie, you write the
custom property to a temporary file on disk, and then load it into a
player object just like you did originally. When you're done with the
movie, delete the temporary file.


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Sun Jan 17 19:18:10 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:18:10 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B535313.7010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C77912F2.2520%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Oo, oo, I'd really appreciate a bsd builder.
Thanks, Hershel


On 1/17/10 1:12 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I'm extremely 'turned on' by this bit:
>> 
>> "Nine popular UNIX/X11 platforms are also supported: Solaris SPARC,
>> Solaris x86, DEC Alpha, SGI IRIS, HP-9000/700, IBM RS/6000, SCO ODT, BSD
>> UNIX, Linux Intel, and LinuxPPC."
>> 
>> most of those options have become Boojums with RunRev; i.e. they have
>> softly and silently
>> vanished away.
>> 
>> which is an awful shame
> 
> We need a show of hands of how many people actually would use those
> platforms. Last count, almost zero, except for Linux -- which is the
> variant the team chose to continue to support. The time and effort to
> produce engines optimized for each 'nix variant can't be justified by
> the tiny or non-existent number of people likely to use them. The 2.1
> engines were made for MetaCard by Dr. Raney. There were almost no takers
> for those platforms even back then, and now that Linux is the most
> popular, there are virtually none. Personally I'm very happy that the
> engineers are working on the engines that most people use.
> 
>> 
>> NOW . . . the big and burning question has to be . . . How many of the
>> features implemented
>> after RR 2.2.1 will function in builds made with 'Mortal Engines' ?
> 
> Anything implemented in later engines will of course fail in older ones.
> I'm surprised you had to ask.




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Sun Jan 17 19:36:21 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:36:21 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7791735.2523%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

On which version's will this work?
Hershel


On 1/17/10 11:32 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Built "Metacard 4" on my Ubuntu Box (P4, 1.42 GHZ, 512 MB, Ubuntu 8.04.3
> LTS) using
> J. Landman Gay's magic stack available at RevOnline.
> 
> Downloaded the BSD and HP9K700 engines from
> 
> http://www.hot.com.my/metacard/
> 
> saved them in a subdirectory inside my MC 4 directory; expanded their
> contents (twice)
> into subdirectories labelled BSD and HP9K700 respectively
> 
> made a goofy, trial stack (i.e. 1 card with 1 button) and built a BSD
> standalone -
> of course whether the thing works or not I am unable to tell . . .
> 
> the stack was 170 bytes, the putative standalone 1.7 MB, so, obviously,
> something
> happened!
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> HOWEVER; this circumvents any need to fossick out old versions of RunRev and
> chase old serial numbers. It also (seems) to avoid having to save stacks
> into legacy
> format.
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jan 17 20:38:30 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:38:30 +0100
Subject: Datagrid form - sorting?
In-Reply-To: <20100108154214.7014728826F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100108154214.7014728826F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EB7FD916-40B3-446B-82C6-CBA1C0568AAB@derbrill.de>

I have a datagrid form that has a timestamp in its dataArray. I would like to sort the data in the datagrid using that timestamp. 
For lists this is easy, but is it also possible for forms?

the data might look like this

tData[1]["timestamp"]
tData[1]["otherData"]
tData[2]["timestamp"]
tData[2]["otherData"]

Thanks in advance,

Malte

From niconiko at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 22:42:35 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:42:35 +0900
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>

Where in the Rev documentation (or sample stacks?) should I be looking to
learn how to do the following?

Given 6 identical standalones running of 6 computers all internet connected,
I want an event X triggered on any one of those computers to be immediately
relayed to the other 5 computers.

An example of what I'm planning is a multiple-choice quiz. As soon as the
contestant on computer A buzzes in, her choice should display immediately on
the other contestants' computers B thru F.

My guess is that to enable stacks to "wait", sockets will be involved.

I'm also guessing that these are the three Rev elements (one local, two
server-side) I'll nee for this multi-player multiple-choice quiz standalone:

1) the stack itself

2) a Rev cgi-script to co-ordinate the interaction between standalones

3) an SQL table to store or temporarily hold game-related variables

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 17 22:54:42 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:54:42 -0800
Subject: Online Scripting Conferences
Message-ID: <48213930656.20100117195442@ahsoftware.net>

Hooray! The Online Scripting Conference archives have reappeared!

http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/online-scripting-conferences/

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Jan 17 23:27:51 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:27:51 -0800
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001170702t6621a10fpec5324ea15cb252@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001170702t6621a10fpec5324ea15cb252@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001172027w3668952aobb3d1995c8bde88b@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs.

I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files
those apps put in .
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/17 David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>

> Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal
> video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a
> Rev
> application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would
> not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in
> searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software):
>
> you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder,
> > then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero
> for
> > example).
> > putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC so
> > the user does not need to navigate to some file manually.
> >
>
> I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within
> Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder
> create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know of?
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Jan 17 23:30:10 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:30:10 -0800
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>

Nicolas,

Check out the chat server sample stack. It shows how to create a server and send information to and from clients.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 17, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Where in the Rev documentation (or sample stacks?) should I be looking to
> learn how to do the following?
> 
> Given 6 identical standalones running of 6 computers all internet connected,
> I want an event X triggered on any one of those computers to be immediately
> relayed to the other 5 computers.
> 
> An example of what I'm planning is a multiple-choice quiz. As soon as the
> contestant on computer A buzzes in, her choice should display immediately on
> the other contestants' computers B thru F.
> 
> My guess is that to enable stacks to "wait", sockets will be involved.
> 
> I'm also guessing that these are the three Rev elements (one local, two
> server-side) I'll nee for this multi-player multiple-choice quiz standalone:
> 
> 1) the stack itself
> 
> 2) a Rev cgi-script to co-ordinate the interaction between standalones
> 
> 3) an SQL table to store or temporarily hold game-related variables
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important details of my life.



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Jan 17 23:46:45 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:46:45 -0800
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001172027w3668952aobb3d1995c8bde88b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001170702t6621a10fpec5324ea15cb252@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001172027w3668952aobb3d1995c8bde88b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001172046te83e841j8a2fdf086bf9e9f@mail.gmail.com>

hdutil in the shell
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/17 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs.
>
> I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files
> those apps put in .
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/17 David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
>
> Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal
>> video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a
>> Rev
>> application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would
>> not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in
>> searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software):
>>
>> you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder,
>> > then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero
>> for
>> > example).
>> > putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC
>> so
>> > the user does not need to navigate to some file manually.
>> >
>>
>> I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within
>> Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder
>> create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know
>> of?
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>


From contact at kipmedia.com  Sun Jan 17 23:56:26 2010
From: contact at kipmedia.com (chris livermore)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:56:26 +1100
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001172027w3668952aobb3d1995c8bde88b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001170702t6621a10fpec5324ea15cb252@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001172027w3668952aobb3d1995c8bde88b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ABF1B09-7FB1-4CD1-995E-27D4DB322FA2@kipmedia.com>

a UDF dvd format is what you're after.
if you're using Toast - select the Data/DVD-ROM (UDF) option

If you build in DVD Studio Pro you can create links to content on the  
DVD or the internet. I'm unsure as to whether you can link to a Rev  
app (from the DVD menu) but it can certainly be on the dvd disc, along  
with anything else (pdfs, docs, images etc)

cheers

chris

On 18/01/2010, at 3:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs.
>
> I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what  
> files
> those apps put in .
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/17 David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
>
>> Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play  
>> as normal
>> video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such  
>> as a
>> Rev
>> application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it  
>> would
>> not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I  
>> found in
>> searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing  
>> software):
>>
>> you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts  
>> folder,
>>> then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD  
>>> (with nero
>> for
>>> example).
>>> putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something  
>>> for PC so
>>> the user does not need to navigate to some file manually.
>>>
>>
>> I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from  
>> within
>> Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data  
>> folder
>> create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you  
>> know of?
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon Jan 18 00:04:56 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:04:56 -0800
Subject: [OT] TwistAWord support Haiti
In-Reply-To: <6E9D0EDA-CC0B-49A5-BF9B-A68C7CD68442@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <6E9D0EDA-CC0B-49A5-BF9B-A68C7CD68442@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <16A2E8B4-447D-4669-9CCC-D5630BD015EA@mac.com>

Good idea Mark. I'll do the same with InfoWallet.

Bill Vlahos
http://www.infowallet.com


On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Dear Revolution gang,
> 
> Since we're with a lot of software developers here, while quite a few of you sell their software on-line, you might want to know about Indie+Relief. An inititative to support the victims of the Haiti disaster. If you are interested, have a look at <http://www.indierelief.com/>.
> 
> The RunRev-based word game TwistAWord will be one of the products participating in Indie+Relief. If you buy TwistAWord on 20 January 2010, the revenues will go to Haiti. You can find more info about TwistAWord at <http://www.twistaword.net>.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> 
> TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net and support the earthquake victims.
> 
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jan 18 00:22:16 2010
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:22:16 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B536B1C.40102@gmail.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>	<4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>	<9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>	<4B534772.20101@gmail.com>	<4B535313.7010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<4B535FAF.4020302@gmail.com>
	<4B53657A.2050002@hyperactivesw.com> <4B536B1C.40102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E043DBAE-021B-46CD-868B-3B5D628178B3@canelasoftware.com>


On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Mind you . . . if you could point me to a Linux PPC engine for  
> Metacard I could start fooling around now.

Hi Richmond,

You can access my repository of MetaCard files at:

http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard23/index.html
http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard24/index.html
http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard242/index.html
http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard243/index.html
http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard25/index.html

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com







From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 18 01:23:54 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:23:54 -0600
Subject: Online Scripting Conferences
In-Reply-To: <48213930656.20100117195442@ahsoftware.net>
References: <48213930656.20100117195442@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B53FE7A.3040807@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Hooray! The Online Scripting Conference archives have reappeared!
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/online-scripting-conferences/
> 

Woot!

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 01:36:09 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:36:09 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <E043DBAE-021B-46CD-868B-3B5D628178B3@canelasoftware.com>
References: <4B504306.9040501@gmail.com>	<D9D2AD84-3EDC-46A0-90D1-18ACBFCF4E1F@free.fr>	<4B533BB9.10508@gmail.com>	<9b408d8e1001170837u454eabd9te4576a0603e83e93@mail.gmail.com>	<4B534772.20101@gmail.com>	<4B535313.7010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<4B535FAF.4020302@gmail.com>	<4B53657A.2050002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4B536B1C.40102@gmail.com>
	<E043DBAE-021B-46CD-868B-3B5D628178B3@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4B540159.5080900@gmail.com>

On 18/01/2010 07:22, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
> On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Mind you . . . if you could point me to a Linux PPC engine for 
>> Metacard I could start fooling around now.
>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> You can access my repository of MetaCard files at:
>
> http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard23/index.html
> http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard24/index.html
> http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard242/index.html
> http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard243/index.html
> http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard25/index.html
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>
Thanks, Mark.

Yippee; /metacard24/index.html contains a LinuxPPC engine!

I was digging in my hard disks and found that RunRev 1.1.1 has a 
LinuxPPC engine;
mind you, going all that way back a stack might have to be 'pared' of 
quite a few
features before building a standalone.

Now I really can consider running Ubuntu PPC on cast-off G3 iMacs.


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Jan 18 02:08:00 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:08:00 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
Message-ID: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>

I find it funny that a single person (Dr. Scott Raney) was able to  
support all the different platforms, yet the "team" at RunRev cannot..  
(I understand their business reasoning(s), just find it amusing ;)


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 02:31:19 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:31:19 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>
References: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001172331g10d72193rca7c6d9c8a7b9119@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that assessment is funny or fair.
The REV of today is a lot more complex than previous years. Also it's
important to note in this comparison the fact that Metacard went out of
business.

Keeping parity among the currently supported platforms is gotta be intense.

I am just happy they support Macintosh.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/17 Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com>

> I find it funny that a single person (Dr. Scott Raney) was able to support
> all the different platforms, yet the "team" at RunRev cannot.. (I understand
> their business reasoning(s), just find it amusing ;)
>
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Jan 18 02:41:01 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:41:01 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
Message-ID: <A9DF43D9-FF1B-4444-8C67-8D611D361DB3@wehostmacs.com>

> that Metacard went out of business.

umm.. Rev bought them, not quite the same..

> I don't think that assessment is funny or fair.

But I do.. ;-P
It was the same thing when REALSoftware (actually FYI Software at the  
time) bought REALbasic (CrossBasic at them time).. It was originally  
being written by one person and could compile to Mac, Windows and Java  
applets and after it was bought it only did Mac (for many years before  
they brought back Windows and then added Linux, but still no Java  
applets ;)


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Jan 18 03:39:09 2010
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:39:09 +0000
Subject: Rev + PNG Display on OS X 10.6
In-Reply-To: <C774A22A.471DA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C774A22A.471DA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <83CA4F0F-1843-4B40-BE49-EF1BE9A4212C@azurevision.co.uk>


On 14 Jan 2010, at 18:27, Scott Rossi wrote:

> This might be useful for folks delivering image-heavy apps on Mac OS  
> X 10.6
> and later...
>
> Apparently with Snow Leopard, Apple has changed the default gamma of  
> the
> system to 2.2 (used to be 1.8).

>
> if "mac" is in platform() and systemVersion() > 10.5 then ...

That's not entirely true - on 10.6 a NEW Mac and any fresh install  
from scratch will default to 2.2. If you have *upgraded* to 10.6 the  
machine will be using whatever gamma it was on before.

Also bear in mind that the majority of photographers and web designers  
will have been using 2.2 for years now regardless of platform.

In other words, you can't assume that all machines running 10.5 or  
lower are using 1.8, and you can't assume that all machines running  
10.6 are using 2.2. :-(

Ian


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jan 18 03:42:31 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:42:31 +0900
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
In-Reply-To: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>
References: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <4B541EF7.4050602@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Hi Ralf,

I'm new to revolution and so also new to revigniter. I have an 
on-rev account (pba.on-rev.com) and put revigniter in the root 
directory and altered the system/application/config.irev file to: 
put "http://pba.on-rev.com/" into gConfig["baseUrl"]

And created the blog.irev as per the documentation in 
pba.on-rev.com/system/application/controllers - but when I try to 
run/load it, I get 500 internal server error.

Any pointers for this newbie?

Thanks,

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


Ralf Bitter wrote:
> revIgniter v1.0 Beta has been released ready
> for download. revIgniter is no longer in Alpha state.
> It is now stable enough, that anybody who is
> interested is encouraged to give it a try.
> 
> What's new? This version (1.0b) includes
> a new library, which helps in manipulating images.
> The image library lets you perform image resizing,
> thumbnail creation, image cropping, image rotating
> and image watermarking, for display purposes even without
> writing images to disk.
> 
> Info and download at: http://www.revigniter.com/
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> 
> Ralf
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 03:54:20 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:54:20 +0900
Subject: Can a Rev cgi "accept connections"?
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001180054m484b8f49yc264a2a5e2f7f365@mail.gmail.com>

Why do I ask?

Cause, after studying about sockets using Rev's "chat server/client" sample
stack (thank you to Bill Vlahos for pointing it out), I'm now trying to get
a Rev cgi script to act as the server (the script will  be in my on-rev
Rev-cgi folder).

Unfortunately, what works locally isn't at all on the web.

If it helps, here's the Rev cgi server-script and a snippet of the client
stack:


///////////////   Rev.cgi server script    ////////////////////////////////

#!MyRevEngine -ui
on startup
  accept connections on port 1987 with message chatConnected
end startup

on chatConnected s   -- s contains address and port of connecting computer
  read from socket s for 1 line
  put line 1 of it into tSocket
  put "Hello world" && tSocket into message
  write message to socket tSocket
  close socket tSocket
end chatConnected


/////////////////// client stack ///////////////////////////
on mouseUp
  open socket to "myurl.com/cgi-bin/server.cgi:1987" with message
"chatConnected"
end mouseUp

on chatConnected s
   put s into lChatSocket
   read from socket s with message chatReceived
end chatConnected

on chatReceived s,data
   put data & return after field "responses"
   read from socket s with message chatReceived
end chatReceived

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Apologies if I'm asking for excessive hand-holding.

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jburtt at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 18 03:56:10 2010
From: jburtt at earthlink.net (John Burtt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:56:10 -0800
Subject: Datagrid form - sorting?
In-Reply-To: <20100118063615.DD5A5288188@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100118063615.DD5A5288188@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2E23B906-5DD7-4081-B7F7-4612A7FD5F30@earthlink.net>


Malte,

try this:

##  if the timeStamp is a number
put "numeric" into theSort

or,

##  if the timeStamp is a date and time
put "date and time" into theSort

dispatch "sortDataByKey" to group "dataGrid" with  
"timeStamp","theSort","descending","false"

"timeStamp" = the key to sort by
"theSort" = the sort type
"descending" = the direction
"false" = whether or not the sort is case-sensitive

Cheers, John


> I have a datagrid form that has a timestamp in its dataArray. I  
> would like to sort the data in the datagrid using that timestamp.
> For lists this is easy, but is it also possible for forms?
>
> the data might look like this
>
> tData[1]["timestamp"]
> tData[1]["otherData"]
> tData[2]["timestamp"]
> tData[2]["otherData"]
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Malte




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 18 04:03:13 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:03:13 +0100
Subject: Can a Rev cgi "accept connections"?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001180054m484b8f49yc264a2a5e2f7f365@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001180054m484b8f49yc264a2a5e2f7f365@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53858783-854F-4BE1-9FFA-EFFBB740103B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Nicolas,

As far as RunRev is concerned, it is possible, but your web host may  
not allow it.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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Op 18 jan 2010, om 09:54 heeft Nicolas Cueto het volgende geschreven:

> Why do I ask?
>
> Cause, after studying about sockets using Rev's "chat server/client"  
> sample
> stack (thank you to Bill Vlahos for pointing it out), I'm now trying  
> to get
> a Rev cgi script to act as the server (the script will  be in my on- 
> rev
> Rev-cgi folder).
>
> Unfortunately, what works locally isn't at all on the web.
>
> If it helps, here's the Rev cgi server-script and a snippet of the  
> client
> stack:
>
>
> ///////////////   Rev.cgi server  
> script    ////////////////////////////////
>
> #!MyRevEngine -ui
> on startup
>  accept connections on port 1987 with message chatConnected
> end startup
>
> on chatConnected s   -- s contains address and port of connecting  
> computer
>  read from socket s for 1 line
>  put line 1 of it into tSocket
>  put "Hello world" && tSocket into message
>  write message to socket tSocket
>  close socket tSocket
> end chatConnected
>
>
> /////////////////// client stack ///////////////////////////
> on mouseUp
>  open socket to "myurl.com/cgi-bin/server.cgi:1987" with message
> "chatConnected"
> end mouseUp
>
> on chatConnected s
>   put s into lChatSocket
>   read from socket s with message chatReceived
> end chatConnected
>
> on chatReceived s,data
>   put data & return after field "responses"
>   read from socket s with message chatReceived
> end chatReceived
>
> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> Apologies if I'm asking for excessive hand-holding.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto



From rabit at dimensionB.de  Mon Jan 18 05:29:02 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:02 +0100
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
In-Reply-To: <4B541EF7.4050602@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>
	<4B541EF7.4050602@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <96FB6A1F-32E6-478C-BAC1-5BF0BCD0476C@dimensionB.de>


Hi Tim,

sorry, there is a typo in the index.irev file.
I will provide a revised version shortly.

In the meantime you can change the last script line of index.irev to:

include gBASEPATH & "revigniter/RevIgniter" & gEXT

Ralf


On 18.01.2010, at 09:42, Tim Selander wrote:

> Hi Ralf,
> 
> I'm new to revolution and so also new to revigniter. I have an on-rev account (pba.on-rev.com) and put revigniter in the root directory and altered the system/application/config.irev file to: put "http://pba.on-rev.com/" into gConfig["baseUrl"]
> 
> And created the blog.irev as per the documentation in pba.on-rev.com/system/application/controllers - but when I try to run/load it, I get 500 internal server error.
> 
> Any pointers for this newbie?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 05:29:54 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:29:54 +0900
Subject: Can a Rev cgi "accept connections"?
In-Reply-To: <53858783-854F-4BE1-9FFA-EFFBB740103B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001180054m484b8f49yc264a2a5e2f7f365@mail.gmail.com>
	<53858783-854F-4BE1-9FFA-EFFBB740103B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001180229p116e66ewe2e0bb803f36114d@mail.gmail.com>

> As far as RunRev is concerned, it is possible, but your web host may not allow it.

Thanks Mark.

My webhost is onrev. So, I'd think they'd allow it.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 05:43:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:43:16 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <A9DF43D9-FF1B-4444-8C67-8D611D361DB3@wehostmacs.com>
References: <A9DF43D9-FF1B-4444-8C67-8D611D361DB3@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4B543B44.1010609@gmail.com>

Having equipped  myself with a LinuxPPC engine for Metacard I decided to 
try to
build a LinuxPPC standalone with Metacard 4 . . .

No joy whatsoever on a Mac as the standalone builder does not recognise 
the LinuxPPC engine
'mc' as such,

Having already built a BSD standalone on Ubuntu I suspect that I will 
have no problems
"on the wild side" . . .

[and, while I'm on about Linux I must say I like the Chromium browser a 
lot - on Mac as I am
'still' in the PPC era I use Stainless  http://www.stainlessapp.com/ ]

Yup, appears to work (sometime this week will bung it over to the 
macMini that is running
Ubuntu 8.04.3 PPC and see what happens.


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 06:00:09 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:00:09 -0800
Subject: Can a Rev cgi "accept connections"?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001180054m484b8f49yc264a2a5e2f7f365@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001180054m484b8f49yc264a2a5e2f7f365@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74920C0B-1385-4609-AFE4-1A0E41121CA2@yahoo.com>

> Cause, after studying about sockets using Rev's "chat server/client"  
> sample
> stack (thank you to Bill Vlahos for pointing it out), I'm now trying  
> to get
> a Rev cgi script to act as the server (the script will  be in my on- 
> rev
> Rev-cgi folder).
>
> Unfortunately, what works locally isn't at all on the web.
>

Wouldn't you have to use Fast CGI for that?

Normally a CGI script only runs as a single instance when called, and  
then immediately quits.  If called again, it relaunches, but is a  
separate instance with no common variables unless a programmer does  
something to create "session variables".

In PHP, the use of globals is a serious security hazard since these  
areas of memory can be hijacked by inventive bots and programmers and  
cause havoc, such as denial of service attacks and spambots.

Further, the customer of a hosting company does not get to change the  
firewall settings (TCP and UDP) so you would have to use the existing  
port configuration.

Locally, if you changed the httpd.conf file to have Apache listen at  
ports other than just port 80, then rebooted it, Apache could get  
packets on ports such as 1987.
A hosting company, even the one in Texas that is used by On-Rev,  
probably would not allow a request to reconfigure your account.  This  
is an area I know little about for General hosting, but I do have  
several Rev apps running in a Private data center where firewall  
requests are handled by the tech group and have to get approval.  I  
write connection software for the company that owns the data center,  
otherwise I would have no chance of submitting work orders to make  
changes.

I would suggest you contact the On-Rev hosting company and ask how  
they are setup to allow chat server programs to operate on their  
system.  It could be that cPanel has a tool for doing that on a port  
that is already configured.  If you are not familiar with cPanel (as I  
am not).

You should Google "cPanel chat server"
and do some reading to get to know exactly what you want, then  
hopefully it is possible.  It would be cool if it were easy, and then  
you could let us know a few details when you are up and running.



Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 18, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Why do I ask?
>
> Cause, after studying about sockets using Rev's "chat server/client"  
> sample
> stack (thank you to Bill Vlahos for pointing it out), I'm now trying  
> to get
> a Rev cgi script to act as the server (the script will  be in my on- 
> rev
> Rev-cgi folder).
>
> Unfortunately, what works locally isn't at all on the web.
>
> If it helps, here's the Rev cgi server-script and a snippet of the  
> client
> stack:
>
>
> ///////////////   Rev.cgi server  
> script    ////////////////////////////////
>
> #!MyRevEngine -ui
> on startup
>  accept connections on port 1987 with message chatConnected
> end startup
>
> on chatConnected s   -- s contains address and port of connecting  
> computer
>  read from socket s for 1 line
>  put line 1 of it into tSocket
>  put "Hello world" && tSocket into message
>  write message to socket tSocket
>  close socket tSocket
> end chatConnected
>
>
> /////////////////// client stack ///////////////////////////
> on mouseUp
>  open socket to "myurl.com/cgi-bin/server.cgi:1987" with message
> "chatConnected"
> end mouseUp
>
> on chatConnected s
>   put s into lChatSocket
>   read from socket s with message chatReceived
> end chatConnected
>
> on chatReceived s,data
>   put data & return after field "responses"
>   read from socket s with message chatReceived
> end chatReceived
>
> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> Apologies if I'm asking for excessive hand-holding.



From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jan 18 06:14:52 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:14:52 +0100
Subject: Datagrid form - sorting?
In-Reply-To: <20100110170546.1F6DF2880E6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100110170546.1F6DF2880E6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7E44C0B9-E229-48FA-AD76-F8BBCA724E1F@derbrill.de>

Thanks a heap John!

Works like a charm.

All the best,

Malte


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 06:49:59 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:49:59 +0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <C77518ED.24A0%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C77518ED.24A0%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4B544AE7.3070606@gmail.com>

<The question is if it will work with kde?

Well, that is a question!

However I have now found a way that works on current 'nix systems and 
should not
really get its knickers in too much of a twist re window-managers:

1. Install a licensed version of RunRev (3, 3.5, 4) Studio/Enterprize on 
a Linux distro
      [well, it works on Ubuntu 8-9 on my 'mixed system' of bits of KDE 
wrapped up with GNOME]

2. Set up Metacard 4 via J. Landman Gay's stack on RevOnline (this should
     automatically license itself from your RR 4.

3. Download whatever engines you need from Mark Talluto's web-mirror 
(see earlier
     posting by him)

4. Use Metacard to build standalones for whatever flavour of 'nix you 
are working with

5. Pop your standalone on the target computer.

ALWAYS being aware that all the 'sexy' stuff that came after RunRev 2 is 
just not going to
work.

<Or rather lets put it like this, Run Rev should put back the capabilities
<for BSD (and kde).

I tell you what: find oodles of money from somewhere to pay RunRev to hire
a computer whizz who can devote his/her time to building new engines for 
systems
that they feel are uneconomic to continue to support and I'm sure they will
oblige . . .

That modal verb 'should' could get somebody's hackles up.

Let's try a rewrite . . .  :)

"It would be a jolly nice thing if RunRev COULD put back the 
capabilities for BSD."

Aaaaah, a lot better.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

On my website:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html

I have written;

"I am currently working on a longer-term, more extensive upgrade which I 
hope to release in the latter half of January."

and it won't be ready until, at the soonest, mid-February. Whether this 
will be FREE like previous
releases or a pay upgrade I haven't decided.

Now as I am an unreliable chap at least in terms of claims I make about 
the next release of Devawriter
(so many variables I have lost count of them; not least being that our 
older cat has run away)
I don't suppose we should take any of Runtime Revolution's "promises", 
"proposals", "route plans"
and so on, as completely reliable either. And, as somebody once said; 
"Always strive for 40%, then you
will not be disappointed when you achieve 75&; if you always strive for 
100% you will always go
around with a bad taste in your mouth."


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 07:27:07 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:27:07 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>
References: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4B54539B.90607@gmail.com>

On 18/01/2010 09:08, Shao Sean wrote:
> I find it funny that a single person (Dr. Scott Raney) was able to 
> support all the different platforms, yet the "team" at RunRev cannot.. 
> (I understand their business reasoning(s), just find it amusing ;)
-------------------------------------------------
Story Time
-------------------------------------------------
I run a one-man business; all sorts of seductive types are continually 
trying to get me to expand
from a one-man hole-in-the-wall schoolroom into a full-blown language 
school.

So, why am I not going to do that?

Everything will change:

The character of my school,
the style of teaching,
the quality of teaching,
the administrative bumf for a firm with 3 employees is about 10-fold 
what it is with just me,
to keep financially above water . . . all sorts of compromises would 
have to be
adopted . . .

and I would end up as the "headmaster" of just another language school 
like all the rest,
at which point I would go out of business because that niche is already 
full to overflowing.

-------------------------------------------------

RunRev's 'abandonment' of less popular platforms may have little to do 
with business as such,
and more to do with the changing dynamic of siingle person to "team".



From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 07:53:12 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:53:12 +0900
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I give up for now.

Rev CGI scripts don't work easily with sockets, and my on-rev web
account won't or can't run stacks such as the Rev chat-server one Bill
suggested.

So, I can't see a way of my stacks communicating with each other over the web.

Instead, it's back to relying on my LAN. I'll modify the chat-server
sample stack for my purposes and have the stacks connect to each other
thru it over the LAN.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 08:22:06 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:22:06 -0800
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCA7DF8-ACF4-4E7B-9F1E-7BCBB048ABC0@yahoo.com>

On Jan 18, 2010, at 4:53 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Well, I give up for now.
>
> Rev CGI scripts don't work easily with sockets, and my on-rev web
> account won't or can't run stacks such as the Rev chat-server one Bill
> suggested.
>
> So, I can't see a way of my stacks communicating with each other  
> over the web.
>
> Instead, it's back to relying on my LAN. I'll modify the chat-server
> sample stack for my purposes and have the stacks connect to each  
> other thru it over the LAN.



The standard way of communicating over the web is using the protocol
       HTTP
and either POST  or   GET  to send a 'packet' on port 80.
... all of which is part of Rev as a library

Go to Rev documentation and find the command 'post'
This will show you related commands.


Port 80 is open on all hosting services with (in most cases) Apache as  
the listener for packets.
Once Apache receives a packet, it determines the helper to do the  
server-side work.

Web sharing on the Mac OSX systems is a checkbox startup, and it runs  
Apache listening on port 80.

Thus you could experiment with a LAN where one computer ran Apache/cgi  
and another ran a Rev stack to communicate with that cgi stack using  
port 80 to start with, then learn how to edit the OSX /etc/apache2/ 
httpd.conf file so that Apache would also listen on port 1987.
If Apache is not listening, then the cgi never gets triggered.
The cgi stack will not care which port is used, since it does not  
handle the HTTP connection, Apache does.

----
A different way of doing HTTP listening on a computer (not a web  
server) is to run a Rev stack that has the HTTP commands in it.
Thus you are starting an app from the desktop that will listen on any  
port you specify.
This way, the Rev app is the listener, and Apache is not running (Rev  
acts like a very limited web server)

I believe there are BBS stacks still kicking around the net for free/ 
cheap download.

and plenty of windows versions, and for Mac,
search google for "Mac BBS software hypercard"  for example.

TeleFinder News (2001)    http://tfbbs.com/news_.spml
Pure Mac    http://www.pure-mac.com/irc.html

Hope this helps you get started.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 18 08:22:38 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:22:38 +0100
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6873CB0-E014-4F61-BA0F-C366ED501DA2@mac.com>

I don't know if this applies to your user case, but Chatrev also runs from my LAN. Now you might think "but it's accessible via the internet?". That is because for a network, a server is anything that accepts connections. I have set my router to forward queries on port 8008 to my iBook (a previous main work computer of mine), and there I have the IDE running with a Chatrev stack. 

This works very well, and I'm always flabbergasted about how I did the same thing with a Win98 machine that had dozens of games and lots of other crap installed. That one ran with only 10 to 20 very short downtimes during over 4 years.

If you have questions about this, just join the chatting:
http://bjoernke.com/?target=chatrev

have fun
Bjoernke


On 18 Jan 2010, at 13:53, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Well, I give up for now.
> 
> Rev CGI scripts don't work easily with sockets, and my on-rev web
> account won't or can't run stacks such as the Rev chat-server one Bill
> suggested.
> 
> So, I can't see a way of my stacks communicating with each other over the web.
> 
> Instead, it's back to relying on my LAN. I'll modify the chat-server
> sample stack for my purposes and have the stacks connect to each other
> thru it over the LAN.

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan 18 08:30:52 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:52 +0100
Subject: Ask window and foreign language
In-Reply-To: <4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
References: <2E0C87CD-F5FB-42D9-9317-F95F7E73CF6F@laposte.net>
	<4B5175C8.7010600@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CA559D44-4C91-42BE-BFC7-469E570E4C65@numericable.com>

Hello Phil,
Thank you very much for this "tip"
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 16 janv. 2010 ? 09:16, Phil Davis a ?crit :

> Try this:
> 
>    set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to "ZZZZ"
>    ask "Use what value?"
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> On 1/15/10 11:59 PM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> It is possible to translate the "Cancel" button in the ask window ?
>> 
>> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
> 
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon Jan 18 08:35:21 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:35:21 +0000
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B54539B.90607@gmail.com>
References: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>
	<4B54539B.90607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1616F9B8-D8CA-4649-A83F-65EC687E5C06@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Doesn't a team consist of 'single' people? Pass the salt...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 Jan 2010, at 12:27, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 18/01/2010 09:08, Shao Sean wrote:
>> I find it funny that a single person (Dr. Scott Raney) was able to  
>> support all the different platforms, yet the "team" at RunRev  
>> cannot.. (I understand their business reasoning(s), just find it  
>> amusing ;)
> -------------------------------------------------
> Story Time
> -------------------------------------------------
> I run a one-man business; all sorts of seductive types are  
> continually trying to get me to expand
> from a one-man hole-in-the-wall schoolroom into a full-blown  
> language school.
>
> So, why am I not going to do that?
>
> Everything will change:
>
> The character of my school,
> the style of teaching,
> the quality of teaching,
> the administrative bumf for a firm with 3 employees is about 10- 
> fold what it is with just me,
> to keep financially above water . . . all sorts of compromises  
> would have to be
> adopted . . .
>
> and I would end up as the "headmaster" of just another language  
> school like all the rest,
> at which point I would go out of business because that niche is  
> already full to overflowing.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> RunRev's 'abandonment' of less popular platforms may have little to  
> do with business as such,
> and more to do with the changing dynamic of siingle person to "team".
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 08:47:22 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:47:22 -0200
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
In-Reply-To: <96FB6A1F-32E6-478C-BAC1-5BF0BCD0476C@dimensionB.de>
References: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de> 
	<4B541EF7.4050602@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<96FB6A1F-32E6-478C-BAC1-5BF0BCD0476C@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180547m1ad28423w92825bc8ccc1d88e@mail.gmail.com>

Ralf,

You *ROCK*

I love revIgniter, thanks for sharing that.

Question, do you have file uploads sorted out in it yet?

Cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionb.de> wrote:

>
> Hi Tim,
>
> sorry, there is a typo in the index.irev file.
> I will provide a revised version shortly.
>
> In the meantime you can change the last script line of index.irev to:
>
> include gBASEPATH & "revigniter/RevIgniter" & gEXT
>
> Ralf
>
>
> On 18.01.2010, at 09:42, Tim Selander wrote:
>
> > Hi Ralf,
> >
> > I'm new to revolution and so also new to revigniter. I have an on-rev
> account (pba.on-rev.com) and put revigniter in the root directory and
> altered the system/application/config.irev file to: put "
> http://pba.on-rev.com/" into gConfig["baseUrl"]
> >
> > And created the blog.irev as per the documentation in
> pba.on-rev.com/system/application/controllers - but when I try to run/load
> it, I get 500 internal server error.
> >
> > Any pointers for this newbie?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim Selander
> > Tokyo, Japan
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 10:07:09 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:07:09 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <1616F9B8-D8CA-4649-A83F-65EC687E5C06@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>	<4B54539B.90607@gmail.com>
	<1616F9B8-D8CA-4649-A83F-65EC687E5C06@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4B54791D.9080507@gmail.com>

On 18/01/2010 15:35, Luis wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> Doesn't a team consist of 'single' people? Pass the salt...

Have you ever heard of "Corporate Identity" ?

>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2010, at 12:27, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> On 18/01/2010 09:08, Shao Sean wrote:
>>> I find it funny that a single person (Dr. Scott Raney) was able to 
>>> support all the different platforms, yet the "team" at RunRev 
>>> cannot.. (I understand their business reasoning(s), just find it 
>>> amusing ;)
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Story Time
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> I run a one-man business; all sorts of seductive types are 
>> continually trying to get me to expand
>> from a one-man hole-in-the-wall schoolroom into a full-blown language 
>> school.
>>
>> So, why am I not going to do that?
>>
>> Everything will change:
>>
>> The character of my school,
>> the style of teaching,
>> the quality of teaching,
>> the administrative bumf for a firm with 3 employees is about 10-fold 
>> what it is with just me,
>> to keep financially above water . . . all sorts of compromises would 
>> have to be
>> adopted . . .
>>
>> and I would end up as the "headmaster" of just another language 
>> school like all the rest,
>> at which point I would go out of business because that niche is 
>> already full to overflowing.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> RunRev's 'abandonment' of less popular platforms may have little to 
>> do with business as such,
>> and more to do with the changing dynamic of siingle person to "team".
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 18 10:08:39 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:08:39 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
Message-ID: <4B547977.4060805@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> The REV of today is a lot more complex than previous years. Also it's
> important to note in this comparison the fact that Metacard went out of
> business.

While it's technically correct that MetaCard Corp. is no longer in 
business, to avoid newcomers misinterpreting the above this is a case 
where details matter:

MetaCard Corp. is no longer in business because Dr. Raney successfully 
executed its exit strategy.

Most businesses are launched with an exit strategy in mind, and for many 
small software companies that exit strategy is the sale of the company's 
assets to another firm after having built them up to an appreciable value.

With the sale of the MetaCard engine to RunRev Ltd. in 2003, that's 
exactly what Dr. Raney did.

In fact, it may be worth noting that in the whole of xTalk history I 
know of no one else who has retired as well from the proceeds of their 
engine.

Last time I corrresponded with Dr. Raney he was taking a brief break 
from sailing around the Caribbean Sea to return to the States to manage 
some assets here which his corporation had acquired for him.

It would be ungentlemanly to discuss the nature of those assets, but 
suffice to say his leisure time speaks for itself.

So while it's true that MetaCard Corp. "went out of business", may we 
all go out of business as well as he did. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jan 18 10:15:55 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:15:55 +0900
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
In-Reply-To: <96FB6A1F-32E6-478C-BAC1-5BF0BCD0476C@dimensionB.de>
References: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>	<4B541EF7.4050602@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<96FB6A1F-32E6-478C-BAC1-5BF0BCD0476C@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <4B547B2B.5070600@tkf.att.ne.jp>

thanks, Ralf. I'll give that a try.

Tim Selander

Ralf Bitter wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> sorry, there is a typo in the index.irev file.
> I will provide a revised version shortly.
> 
> In the meantime you can change the last script line of index.irev to:
> 
> include gBASEPATH & "revigniter/RevIgniter" & gEXT
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
> On 18.01.2010, at 09:42, Tim Selander wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ralf,
>>
>> I'm new to revolution and so also new to revigniter. I have an on-rev account (pba.on-rev.com) and put revigniter in the root directory and altered the system/application/config.irev file to: put "http://pba.on-rev.com/" into gConfig["baseUrl"]
>>
>> And created the blog.irev as per the documentation in pba.on-rev.com/system/application/controllers - but when I try to run/load it, I get 500 internal server error.
>>
>> Any pointers for this newbie?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon Jan 18 10:22:13 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:22:13 +0000
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B54791D.9080507@gmail.com>
References: <EB69CFE0-AD87-4173-8169-CCC65CACAAAD@wehostmacs.com>	<4B54539B.90607@gmail.com>
	<1616F9B8-D8CA-4649-A83F-65EC687E5C06@anachreon.co.uk>
	<4B54791D.9080507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27C98ADA-9D16-42FD-BCE7-24A8814F9470@anachreon.co.uk>

No, when's that out?

On 18 Jan 2010, at 15:07, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 18/01/2010 15:35, Luis wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Doesn't a team consist of 'single' people? Pass the salt...
>
> Have you ever heard of "Corporate Identity" ?
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2010, at 12:27, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/01/2010 09:08, Shao Sean wrote:
>>>> I find it funny that a single person (Dr. Scott Raney) was able  
>>>> to support all the different platforms, yet the "team" at RunRev  
>>>> cannot.. (I understand their business reasoning(s), just find it  
>>>> amusing ;)
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>> Story Time
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>> I run a one-man business; all sorts of seductive types are  
>>> continually trying to get me to expand
>>> from a one-man hole-in-the-wall schoolroom into a full-blown  
>>> language school.
>>>
>>> So, why am I not going to do that?
>>>
>>> Everything will change:
>>>
>>> The character of my school,
>>> the style of teaching,
>>> the quality of teaching,
>>> the administrative bumf for a firm with 3 employees is about 10- 
>>> fold what it is with just me,
>>> to keep financially above water . . . all sorts of compromises  
>>> would have to be
>>> adopted . . .
>>>
>>> and I would end up as the "headmaster" of just another language  
>>> school like all the rest,
>>> at which point I would go out of business because that niche is  
>>> already full to overflowing.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> RunRev's 'abandonment' of less popular platforms may have little  
>>> to do with business as such,
>>> and more to do with the changing dynamic of siingle person to  
>>> "team".
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jan 18 10:27:57 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:27:57 +0900
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
Message-ID: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Hi,

I've found some ways using javascript, but does anyone know if
on-rev revlets (.irev files) have a way of getting the user's
date and time from their browser/PC?

Thanks,

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 18 10:37:07 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:37:07 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
Message-ID: <4B548023.4070504@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
 > RunRev's 'abandonment' of less popular platforms may have little
 > to do with business as such, and more to do with the changing
 > dynamic of siingle person to "team".

With all due respect, this describes the relationship between a 
company's size and its mission in terms that are exactly backwards.

Moreover, the premise that MetaCard Corp. was a one-man show is 
incorrect. AFAIK even during most of its Unix-only years he had at least 
one employee to help run things.  But once he started the port to 
Windows he used contractors regularly, and when he ported to Mac he 
expanded that contractor pool.  From my discussions with him it seemed 
his team size varied between three and five people much of the time 
since I started working with the engine in '97.

But it's also very much the case that the missions of MetaCard Corp. and 
RunRev Ltd. are quite different:


MC sold for $995, with upgrades at $485.  Period.  There was only one 
version available, and that was its price.

This pricing helped keep support costs down, acting as a sort of filter 
which pretty much eliminated all but professional developers from his 
customer base.

Dr. Raney's model was based on high margins over high unit sales, and 
although he did rather well with site licenses to some rather large 
companies, there was a limit to the potential for unit sales growth at 
that price point.

That worked well enough for him, but Kevin Miller saw a different 
opportunity and formed RunRev Ltd. to answer this question:  Can we take 
this engine to the masses?

The myriad ways this different mission shapes day-to-day operations in a 
company cannot be overstated.


With price points ranging from half of what MC Corp. asked down to zero, 
RunRev Ltd. must do things very differently than MC did.

On the marketing side, MC Corp. could afford to pretty much coast on 
word-of-mouth, since the audience he was aiming at was much smaller and 
a much more specific target to hit.  RunRev, on the other hand, has to 
appeal to orders of magnitude more people to make the same level of 
operational profit.  Those of you who run your own businesses appreciate 
that effective marketing requires resources, not always cash but always 
a fair bit of time, and that means people.

On the technical side, as Stephen noted the engine was much simpler back 
when Raney managed it.  For example, all OS appearances were emulated, 
and he began moving beyond appearance emulation only for OS X by the 
time he sold the company, while RunRev has moved it forward to adopt OS 
appearances across the board.  If they did their job well this may seem 
a simple thing, but what it does to the complexity of the underlying 
object structures is not trivial, and it's only one modest example of 
the things they've added, along with modern buffering, antialiasing, and 
a few hundred other features and fixes that are very difficult (read 
"costly") to implement across three platforms.

The dynamics of these differences are described well in Geoff Moore's 
book "Crossing the Chasm" (a must-read, IMO, for any tech business 
owner), and Raney once wrote to me that his model would never have taken 
the engine across that chasm between tech-savvy "early adopters" to the 
masses.


Consider this:  how much smaller would the membership of this use-rev 
list be if the price point had been maintained at $995?

Sure, MC's trial method was limited by number of script lines rather 
than by time as Rev's is (and before the advent of RevMedia as a free 
product I used to feel that Raney's model was a better one for a product 
as complex as Rev), but how much work can one do in 10 lines?

Some especially clever folks got along quite well with the 10-line limit 
in the MC trial version, but such savvy folks are relatively few.

RunRev can reach far more people by giving away the whole engine in 
RevMedia, and newcomers experimenting with it don't need to be nearly as 
clever as they used to with MC in working around the 10-line limit; 
RevMedia lets newcomers built a great many very useful things at a 
fraction of the effort MC used to require.

But all of this takes a lot of time to deliver, more time than just 
three people will have.  It takes a team about the size of what RunRev 
has now; heck, they might do even better with more, but the constant 
business challenge of profitability requires them to use their human 
resources very carefully.


In the early days of RunRev I had no shortage of opinions about how they 
might refine their operations to better support their model.  But in 
recent years, esp. with v3.0 forward, I now have no shortage of opinions 
about how well they're doing toward that end.

They've come a long way, and have delivered a great many features which 
serve my customers and clients well, all for a tiny sliver of what it 
would take me to get those on my own.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 10:37:29 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:37:29 -0200
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>

Tim,

.irev files are not revlets. revlets are the plugin based files to be run in
a browser thru the plugin, they have the .revlet sufix. irev files are text
file scripts to be run by the RevServer engine. This is just so that you
don't mix them two when you search the archives or documentation, for it
would yield bad search results

As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the variable
$_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser perspective.
Hope this helps.

Cheers
andre

2010/1/18 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>

> Hi,
>
> I've found some ways using javascript, but does anyone know if
> on-rev revlets (.irev files) have a way of getting the user's
> date and time from their browser/PC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 18 10:42:32 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:42:32 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
Message-ID: <4B548168.3060609@fourthworld.com>

Andre wrote:
> As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the variable
> $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser perspective.

 From the browser perspective?  I would have thought that server 
variables would report things from the server perspective, no?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 10:55:32 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B548168.3060609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <807600.3171.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

While perusing the revIngniter docs I came across the sentence:
----
The On-Rev server is currently not supporting the $_Server variable HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET, so this function returns FALSE on this server.
---
Is there a list someplace of the server variables which the On-Rev server supports? (I assume that would be the same list that you can use in your .irev pages?) 

Thanks again,

Mike




--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Subject: Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:42 AM
> Andre wrote:
> > As for getting the clients time using RevServer files
> check out the variable
> > $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the
> browser perspective.
> 
> From the browser perspective?? I would have thought
> that server variables would report things from the server
> perspective, no?
> 
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 18 11:03:19 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:03:19 -0800
Subject: Rev on kde
Message-ID: <4B548647.7080901@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > <Or rather lets put it like this, Run Rev should put back the
 > capabilities <for BSD (and kde).

This is much more useful than advocating support for Solaris, Irix, etc.

At a minimum, BSD is used on enough servers that it would be great to 
see the new server engine deployed for that along with Linux (though at 
this point it would be great to have any info on the new server engine 
at all).

I use Gnome here, and haven't played with KDE in a couple years.  Since 
Rev adopted GTK support a while back I would have thought that more 
recent versions would also run under KDE, no?  What issues do you find 
there?

Does it at least run if you set the lookAndFeel to Motif? (undesirable, 
I know, but just looking to clarify the source of the trouble)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From rabit at dimensionB.de  Mon Jan 18 11:07:48 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:07:48 +0100
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.0b
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001180547m1ad28423w92825bc8ccc1d88e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8356BB16-7FB0-477C-8544-0E158C3EB0D0@dimensionB.de>
	<4B541EF7.4050602@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<96FB6A1F-32E6-478C-BAC1-5BF0BCD0476C@dimensionB.de>
	<7c87a2a11001180547m1ad28423w92825bc8ccc1d88e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019E22B1-B5B1-4F32-9DBA-0C25A6F8D73F@dimensionB.de>

Hi Andre,

thanks for your nice comment.

Recently I started to build an upload library
but then, as I read at forums.on-rev.com, that
multipart/form-data encoding for forms will be
"supported soon" (Benjamin Beaumont), I decided
to wait.
So this item is currently on hold because I think
doing it now may be a waist of time as I definitely
will have to revise my work when multipart/form-data
encoding will be built in.

I know, you and others have solutions, which read stdin but
I think it is much easier to deal with the $_FILES array.

Ralf

On 18.01.2010, at 14:47, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Ralf,
> 
> You *ROCK*
> 
> I love revIgniter, thanks for sharing that.
> 
> Question, do you have file uploads sorted out in it yet?
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 11:07:50 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:07:50 -0200
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B548168.3060609@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B548168.3060609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180807m3edc4ca3t23a7838788e7a429@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

$_SERVER holds server variable and request variables, Date is a request
variable with the timestamp sent by the browser for the given request. I
think it should be on some kind of $_REQUEST array but it is on the
$_SERVER, everything that is not GET or POST variable goes into $_SERVER,
many things from the browser perspective will be there as well.

to get the time on the server we can simply use our date time functions such
as "the internet time" :D

Cheers

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Andre wrote:
>
>> As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the
>> variable
>> $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser
>> perspective.
>>
>
> From the browser perspective?  I would have thought that server variables
> would report things from the server perspective, no?
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 11:12:54 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:12:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B548023.4070504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <971504.6092.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I came across an old website with interviews of persons who had started their own software companies, Scott Raney among them. One of the questions was whether he had met any of his competitors face-to-face. He said, "no, in fact I never met any of my employees either."

As a model for a software company I think Metacard was a one-off. It ain't ever gonna happen again in this universe.

If you want a program that runs on every operating system you've ever heard of, try REBOL. 

There's a show on public radio in the US called "Whad'ya Know?" At the beginning of the show one of the opening lines is "If you don't like the show, get your own." 

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Subject: Re: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:37 AM
> Richmond wrote:
> > RunRev's 'abandonment' of less popular platforms may
> have little
> > to do with business as such, and more to do with the
> changing
> > dynamic of siingle person to "team".
> 
> With all due respect, this describes the relationship
> between a company's size and its mission in terms that are
> exactly backwards.
> 
> Moreover, the premise that MetaCard Corp. was a one-man
> show is incorrect. AFAIK even during most of its Unix-only
> years he had at least one employee to help run things.?
> But once he started the port to Windows he used contractors
> regularly, and when he ported to Mac he expanded that
> contractor pool.? From my discussions with him it
> seemed his team size varied between three and five people
> much of the time since I started working with the engine in
> '97.
> 
> But it's also very much the case that the missions of
> MetaCard Corp. and RunRev Ltd. are quite different:
> 
> 
> MC sold for $995, with upgrades at $485.?
> Period.? There was only one version available, and that
> was its price.
> 
> This pricing helped keep support costs down, acting as a
> sort of filter which pretty much eliminated all but
> professional developers from his customer base.
> 
> Dr. Raney's model was based on high margins over high unit
> sales, and although he did rather well with site licenses to
> some rather large companies, there was a limit to the
> potential for unit sales growth at that price point.
> 
> That worked well enough for him, but Kevin Miller saw a
> different opportunity and formed RunRev Ltd. to answer this
> question:? Can we take this engine to the masses?
> 
> The myriad ways this different mission shapes day-to-day
> operations in a company cannot be overstated.
> 
> 
> With price points ranging from half of what MC Corp. asked
> down to zero, RunRev Ltd. must do things very differently
> than MC did.
> 
> On the marketing side, MC Corp. could afford to pretty much
> coast on word-of-mouth, since the audience he was aiming at
> was much smaller and a much more specific target to
> hit.? RunRev, on the other hand, has to appeal to
> orders of magnitude more people to make the same level of
> operational profit.? Those of you who run your own
> businesses appreciate that effective marketing requires
> resources, not always cash but always a fair bit of time,
> and that means people.
> 
> On the technical side, as Stephen noted the engine was much
> simpler back when Raney managed it.? For example, all
> OS appearances were emulated, and he began moving beyond
> appearance emulation only for OS X by the time he sold the
> company, while RunRev has moved it forward to adopt OS
> appearances across the board.? If they did their job
> well this may seem a simple thing, but what it does to the
> complexity of the underlying object structures is not
> trivial, and it's only one modest example of the things
> they've added, along with modern buffering, antialiasing,
> and a few hundred other features and fixes that are very
> difficult (read "costly") to implement across three
> platforms.
> 
> The dynamics of these differences are described well in
> Geoff Moore's book "Crossing the Chasm" (a must-read, IMO,
> for any tech business owner), and Raney once wrote to me
> that his model would never have taken the engine across that
> chasm between tech-savvy "early adopters" to the masses.
> 
> 
> Consider this:? how much smaller would the membership
> of this use-rev list be if the price point had been
> maintained at $995?
> 
> Sure, MC's trial method was limited by number of script
> lines rather than by time as Rev's is (and before the advent
> of RevMedia as a free product I used to feel that Raney's
> model was a better one for a product as complex as Rev), but
> how much work can one do in 10 lines?
> 
> Some especially clever folks got along quite well with the
> 10-line limit in the MC trial version, but such savvy folks
> are relatively few.
> 
> RunRev can reach far more people by giving away the whole
> engine in RevMedia, and newcomers experimenting with it
> don't need to be nearly as clever as they used to with MC in
> working around the 10-line limit; RevMedia lets newcomers
> built a great many very useful things at a fraction of the
> effort MC used to require.
> 
> But all of this takes a lot of time to deliver, more time
> than just three people will have.? It takes a team
> about the size of what RunRev has now; heck, they might do
> even better with more, but the constant business challenge
> of profitability requires them to use their human resources
> very carefully.
> 
> 
> In the early days of RunRev I had no shortage of opinions
> about how they might refine their operations to better
> support their model.? But in recent years, esp. with
> v3.0 forward, I now have no shortage of opinions about how
> well they're doing toward that end.
> 
> They've come a long way, and have delivered a great many
> features which serve my customers and clients well, all for
> a tiny sliver of what it would take me to get those on my
> own.
> 
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jan 18 11:28:40 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:28:40 +0100
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <20100118153753.EEAA9289004@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100118153753.EEAA9289004@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5088941C-1C3C-48EE-A227-542633FA8E9D@derbrill.de>

FWIW my observations:

Richard wrote:

> I use Gnome here, and haven't played with KDE in a couple years.  Since 
> Rev adopted GTK support a while back I would have thought that more 
> recent versions would also run under KDE, no?  What issues do you find 
> there?
When testing a rather complex app (50 Stacks, huge amounts of XML data being processed)
under Kubuntu on a very decent machine (actually I got a bit jealous of what is under the hood 
there):

Performance is rather slow. Especially screen refreshes. Drag and Drop is
not working very well (if at all). Everything that uses inks, slows down performance 
terribly. This is with engine 3.x and up

Scrollbars (progress bars) are not rendered correctly. Only tested with 3.5

Everything is a little better when using Ubuntu without a k, however performance
is far from what I am used to under MacOs or Win. 

I am not complaining. I understand it is a tremendous task to support an Os the
end user has as much control about as all the Oses they call "Linux" are. You can make
it be a tame penguin, or a 7 headed Hydra (it lost 2 heads, when it tried to install its 
graphics card), with lions teeth (one of them carious, but sharp anyways), bears claws
and penguin feet.

Just wanted to share what I have seen.

Malte



From rabit at dimensionB.de  Mon Jan 18 11:36:58 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:36:58 +0100
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <807600.3171.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <807600.3171.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D130C585-C721-47D0-81C6-1E9BCD1AE503@dimensionB.de>

Hi Mike,

you can get infos about the $_SERVER variable here:

http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt


Ralf


On 18.01.2010, at 16:55, Michael Kann wrote:

> While perusing the revIngniter docs I came across the sentence:
> ----
> The On-Rev server is currently not supporting the $_Server variable HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET, so this function returns FALSE on this server.
> ---
> Is there a list someplace of the server variables which the On-Rev server supports? (I assume that would be the same list that you can use in your .irev pages?) 
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Mike
> 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 11:45:58 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:45:58 -0200
Subject: revBrowser htmltext trouble on win xp
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180845q62e0e939h7dce454e41091800@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

I am experiencing some trouble here with RevBrowser on windows XP. Windows
is not my main platform, so forgive me if this has been sorted out long ago.

I have some code here that creates an stack and then creates a revBrowser
instance in it, instead of using a URL with revBrowser, I use the htmltext
property to set what is displayed. RevBrowser is being used as a media
viewer for audio, video and youtube videos. This works great on mac but on
my windows machine the htmltext property is simply not being set. After I
set it, if I check it thru revBrowserGet(id, "htmltext") it is empty.

Is there any caveat or bug in revBrowser for windows where we can't create a
new revBrowser object and set its htmltext property on the run?

Cheers and thanks for any help
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 18 12:18:43 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:18:43 -0800
Subject: Rev on kde
Message-ID: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>

Malte wrote:
> When testing a rather complex app (50 Stacks, huge amounts of XML data being processed)
> under Kubuntu on a very decent machine (actually I got a bit jealous of what is under the hood
> there):
>
> Performance is rather slow. Especially screen refreshes. Drag and Drop is
> not working very well (if at all). Everything that uses inks, slows down performance
> terribly. This is with engine 3.x and up
>
> Scrollbars (progress bars) are not rendered correctly. Only tested with 3.5
>
> Everything is a little better when using Ubuntu without a k, however performance
> is far from what I am used to under MacOs or Win.
>
> I am not complaining. I understand it is a tremendous task to support an Os the
> end user has as much control about as all the Oses they call "Linux" are. You can make
> it be a tame penguin, or a 7 headed Hydra (it lost 2 heads, when it tried to install its
> graphics card), with lions teeth (one of them carious, but sharp anyways), bears claws
> and penguin feet.
>
> Just wanted to share what I have seen.

Good info.  I'm assuming this is logged in the RQCC?

I appreciate the business case behind RunRev's priorities placing Win 
and Mac support above Linux, but I also think that for the long term 
investment in Linux is a good bet.

There are many challenges in seeing Linux adoption on the desktop 
approach the lofty goal of 10%, but none of them are technical.  From an 
engineering standpoint the OS is a darn fine one; the only issues 
inhibiting adoption are usability and evangelism, which can be worked 
out in reasonable time.

While 10% may seem unrealistic to some right now, I think in the five- 
to ten-year time frame that may actually be low. It's a rock-solid 
contender available at the unbeatable price of free.  What's not to love?

I just hope its adoption grows fast enough to push RunRev Ltd. toward 
more investment sooner rather than later.  Ubuntu Linux is my 
second-favorite OS ever, and their Netbook Remix Edition has been a 
beautiful enhancement to my EeePC. :)

Even in the here-and-now, there may be opportunities where Linux is 
disproportionately represented among groups who could make better use of 
a tool like Rev than most, such as education.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 12:22:25 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:22:25 -0500
Subject: mandelRev - in memory of Bill Marriott
Message-ID: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>

You can download the updated mandelRev stack at:

http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.dmg
or
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.rev.zip

 From the help text:

This stack is a tribute to the memory of Bill Marriott ? one of his  
last little side projects was the initial Mandelbrot Explorer stack,  
which he offered to the RunRev mailing list as an example of the power  
of the Revolution environment. Bill worked out the calculation  
handlers after teaching himself the basic math of complex numbers in a  
few days, and put together a stack that created black-and-white images.

With the view that a fitting tribute to Bill's memory would be a Rev  
project, I expanded his stack to create color images, moved the  
controls into a palette, and stored the calculated dwell values in a  
customprop so that colorization could be adjusted without  
recalculation, which speeds things up considerably especially for high  
iteration parameters. The colorization scheme is mine but many other  
algorithms are possible.

Bill's contributions to RunRev will long be with us. His brief foray  
into fractals was a tiny sideline, but when you use this stack you can  
remember him.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 12:31:07 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:31:07 +0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B549ADB.8050502@gmail.com>

On 18/01/2010 19:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Malte wrote:
>> When testing a rather complex app (50 Stacks, huge amounts of XML 
>> data being processed)
>> under Kubuntu on a very decent machine (actually I got a bit jealous 
>> of what is under the hood
>> there):
>>
>> Performance is rather slow. Especially screen refreshes. Drag and 
>> Drop is
>> not working very well (if at all). Everything that uses inks, slows 
>> down performance
>> terribly. This is with engine 3.x and up
>>
>> Scrollbars (progress bars) are not rendered correctly. Only tested 
>> with 3.5
>>
>> Everything is a little better when using Ubuntu without a k, however 
>> performance
>> is far from what I am used to under MacOs or Win.
>>
>> I am not complaining. I understand it is a tremendous task to support 
>> an Os the
>> end user has as much control about as all the Oses they call "Linux" 
>> are. You can make
>> it be a tame penguin, or a 7 headed Hydra (it lost 2 heads, when it 
>> tried to install its
>> graphics card), with lions teeth (one of them carious, but sharp 
>> anyways), bears claws
>> and penguin feet.
>>
>> Just wanted to share what I have seen.
>
> Good info.  I'm assuming this is logged in the RQCC?
>
> I appreciate the business case behind RunRev's priorities placing Win 
> and Mac support above Linux, but I also think that for the long term 
> investment in Linux is a good bet.
>
> There are many challenges in seeing Linux adoption on the desktop 
> approach the lofty goal of 10%, but none of them are technical.  From 
> an engineering standpoint the OS is a darn fine one; the only issues 
> inhibiting adoption are usability and evangelism, which can be worked 
> out in reasonable time.
>
> While 10% may seem unrealistic to some right now, I think in the five- 
> to ten-year time frame that may actually be low. It's a rock-solid 
> contender available at the unbeatable price of free.  What's not to love?
>
> I just hope its adoption grows fast enough to push RunRev Ltd. toward 
> more investment sooner rather than later.  Ubuntu Linux is my 
> second-favorite OS ever, and their Netbook Remix Edition has been a 
> beautiful enhancement to my EeePC. :)
>
> Even in the here-and-now, there may be opportunities where Linux is 
> disproportionately represented among groups who could make better use 
> of a tool like Rev than most, such as education.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin

This thread should change its name to 'Rev on Linux'; while KDE may look 
more "Windowzy" out of the
box, GNOME can be tweaked around to look like almost anything (on my 
Ubuntu Test machine it has
been made to closely resemble Mac OS X - because that's what makes me 
feel comfortable). After the
German and French government warning about Internet Explorer people may, 
eventually wake up to
what a second class set of products Microsoft sells.

Setting up Ubuntu is extremely easy and is not really any more difficult 
to use than Windows or Mac to the
end user owing to the WIMP convergence of their desktops.

NOW it is entirely possible to couple RunRev with a host of high 
standard open source programs to
produce all sorts of media rich solutions that were only conceivable a 
few years ago with a
significant investment in commercial software. The fact that open source 
offerings such as GIMP, Inkscape
and Audacity, while having Windows and Mac versions, started life on 
Linux (and as a result sit
very easily there) should give one pause for thought.


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 12:30:57 2010
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:30:57 -0500
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <971504.6092.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <4B548023.4070504@fourthworld.com>
	<971504.6092.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e1001180930k4fd3c7daqbd8b8f45480f326b@mail.gmail.com>

Jumping back in late - back in THE DAY a 9000/700 version would have been
the bomb for me.  We still run our Enterprise software on this platform,
but,

I'm much, much more excited about having it on Linux, and even more so about
the pdf print and web plugins.

NOW GIVE ME A REPORT WRITER!


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
  and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 12:37:53 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:37:53 -0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <4B549ADB.8050502@gmail.com>
References: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com> <4B549ADB.8050502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180937x7b8cb5e8qfe7a6a5a646e88bd@mail.gmail.com>

here I use the following OSes

Macs runs MacOS X 10.6 or 10.5.
PC runs OpenSUSE 11.2
Sheevaplug runs Ubuntu 9.10 (I think)
XO-1 runs sugar thing
Andre runs on smoothies, tea and sometimes beer

On my OpenSUSE setup, I use Gnome 2.28 with with Rev performs quite well.
Way better than my ubuntu. What I miss these days is a RevServer Core
release so that I could start doing some linux stuff outside of On-Rev.

Specially if they ever release RevServer as an ARM linux engine, then my
sheevaplug will be in heaven.

Cheers
andre



-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 18 12:48:23 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:48:23 -0800
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:18:43 AM, you wrote:

>Malte wrote:

>> I am not complaining.

I am. And I have.

> Good info.  I'm assuming this is logged in the RQCC?

Examples: BZ#7216, BZ#7162, BZ#7257, BZ#7274, BZ#7364, BZ#8513...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 12:53:29 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:53:29 -0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
	<100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>

huge memory problems and slow rendering...

I experience this as well sometimes.

Voted for the rendering bugs


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:18:43 AM, you wrote:
>
> >Malte wrote:
>
> >> I am not complaining.
>
> I am. And I have.
>
> > Good info.  I'm assuming this is logged in the RQCC?
>
> Examples: BZ#7216, BZ#7162, BZ#7257, BZ#7274, BZ#7364, BZ#8513...
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 18 12:54:47 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:54:47 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1001180930k4fd3c7daqbd8b8f45480f326b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B548023.4070504@fourthworld.com><971504.6092.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9b408d8e1001180930k4fd3c7daqbd8b8f45480f326b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5297FEC964E246DDA2F8647E9A3B8609@GATEWAY>

> Jumping back in late - back in THE DAY a 9000/700 version 
> would have been the bomb for me.  We still run our Enterprise 
> software on this platform, but,
> 
> I'm much, much more excited about having it on Linux, and 
> even more so about the pdf print and web plugins.
> 
> NOW GIVE ME A REPORT WRITER!

There are a couple of report writers available for Revolution, including our
own Valentina Reports. You can design reports in Valentina Studio Pro, then
use the projects with VR for Revolution (Mac, Windows, Linux).

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 12:56:42 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:56:42 -0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <5297FEC964E246DDA2F8647E9A3B8609@GATEWAY>
References: <4B548023.4070504@fourthworld.com>
	<971504.6092.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
	<9b408d8e1001180930k4fd3c7daqbd8b8f45480f326b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<5297FEC964E246DDA2F8647E9A3B8609@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001180956y7964b750jf7a4a4f7660180c4@mail.gmail.com>

Theres also Quartam Reports which rocks!

check it out at
http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/quartam-reports

:D

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> > Jumping back in late - back in THE DAY a 9000/700 version
> > would have been the bomb for me.  We still run our Enterprise
> > software on this platform, but,
> >
> > I'm much, much more excited about having it on Linux, and
> > even more so about the pdf print and web plugins.
> >
> > NOW GIVE ME A REPORT WRITER!
>
> There are a couple of report writers available for Revolution, including
> our
> own Valentina Reports. You can design reports in Valentina Studio Pro, then
> use the projects with VR for Revolution (Mac, Windows, Linux).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 18 13:05:25 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:25 +0100
Subject: mandelRev - in memory of Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>
References: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39086AE2-CDA0-4080-BA4F-C5CB7F366E43@free.fr>

Thanks for this nice gift, Peter !

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 18 janv. 10 ? 18:22, Peter Brigham MD a ?crit :

> You can download the updated mandelRev stack at:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.dmg
> or
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.rev.zip
>
> From the help text:
>
> This stack is a tribute to the memory of Bill Marriott ? one of his  
> last little side projects was the initial Mandelbrot Explorer stack,  
> which he offered to the RunRev mailing list as an example of the  
> power of the Revolution environment. Bill worked out the calculation  
> handlers after teaching himself the basic math of complex numbers in  
> a few days, and put together a stack that created black-and-white  
> images.
>
> With the view that a fitting tribute to Bill's memory would be a Rev  
> project, I expanded his stack to create color images, moved the  
> controls into a palette, and stored the calculated dwell values in a  
> customprop so that colorization could be adjusted without  
> recalculation, which speeds things up considerably especially for  
> high iteration parameters. The colorization scheme is mine but many  
> other algorithms are possible.
>
> Bill's contributions to RunRev will long be with us. His brief foray  
> into fractals was a tiny sideline, but when you use this stack you  
> can remember him.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Jan 18 13:10:20 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:10:20 -0600
Subject: mandelRev - in memory of Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>
References: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD5C5943-F1EE-4A28-8CA5-3CA10A53C34E@me.com>

Thank you, Peter. Well done. The app, the sentiment. All good.

On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> You can download the updated mandelRev stack at:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.dmg
> or
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.rev.zip
>
> From the help text:
>
> This stack is a tribute to the memory of Bill Marriott ? one of his  
> last little side projects was the initial Mandelbrot Explorer stack,  
> which he offered to the RunRev mailing list as an example of the  
> power of the Revolution environment. Bill worked out the calculation  
> handlers after teaching himself the basic math of complex numbers in  
> a few days, and put together a stack that created black-and-white  
> images.
>
> With the view that a fitting tribute to Bill's memory would be a Rev  
> project, I expanded his stack to create color images, moved the  
> controls into a palette, and stored the calculated dwell values in a  
> customprop so that colorization could be adjusted without  
> recalculation, which speeds things up considerably especially for  
> high iteration parameters. The colorization scheme is mine but many  
> other algorithms are possible.
>
> Bill's contributions to RunRev will long be with us. His brief foray  
> into fractals was a tiny sideline, but when you use this stack you  
> can remember him.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 13:22:03 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:22:03 -0800
Subject: ON-Rev Docs (was Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?)
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181022i79fe12feue9250bc14f430a81@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, "ON-REV ENGINE NOTES [ LAST UPDATED 2009-06-02 BY Mark Waddingham ]"
is the ONLY full reference sheet on ON-Rev. (why? have they slowed up on
development?) I was just going to re-post it.

When is Revolution going to {

1. Show some other features promised for On-Rev (like stacks and/or GETPROP
ability so we can rewrite some desktop scripts that use custom properties?
2. Print some decent, searchable, and fully complete docs on the service?
3. Make this tech available to other ISP hosts like Dreamhost?

}

then there is the additional information below that was sent out a while ago
(by email) for some new features. This info is not available anywhere online
except Nabble.
The errormode property is especially helpful.
Here's where to download the iRev clients:

-------------------------snip---------------------------

* Mac OS X: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevosx.dmg
* Windows: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevwindows.exe

New Features:

new errormode property which specifies how error messages are handled
? inline: display errors html formatted within page output
? stderr: errors are not displayed but will appear in server error logs
? quiet: no error display

New $_POST_RAW variable

Fixes:

? include of empty file name no longer outputs spurious characters, now
throws an appropriate error (bad filename)
? engine crash when setting http headers
? PATH_TRANSLATED now contains the path to the running script file when the
requested url contains extra path info after the script path
? PATH_INFO contains the extra path info


-------------------------snip---------------------------

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionb.de>

> Hi Mike,
>
> you can get infos about the $_SERVER variable here:
>
> http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt
>
>
> Ralf
>
>
> On 18.01.2010, at 16:55, Michael Kann wrote:
>
> > While perusing the revIngniter docs I came across the sentence:
> > ----
> > The On-Rev server is currently not supporting the $_Server variable
> HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET, so this function returns FALSE on this server.
> > ---
> > Is there a list someplace of the server variables which the On-Rev server
> supports? (I assume that would be the same list that you can use in your
> .irev pages?)
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 18 13:21:43 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:21:43 -0600
Subject: Getting the height and width of a videoclip
In-Reply-To: <32067E2F-4893-495D-A5BB-4170C8D404D0@mac.com>
References: <32067E2F-4893-495D-A5BB-4170C8D404D0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B54A6B7.2090508@hyperactivesw.com>

William Ziegler wrote:
> Thanks Jacqueline and Richard
> 
> Any sources for tutorials with sample scripts on setting custom disk 
> property to binary data?

It's so easy, I don't think there are any tutorials. It's a one-liner. 
Assume you are going store the movie data in a custom stack property 
called "cMovie":

set the cMovie of this stack to url ("binfile:folder/folder/mymovie.mov")

That's it. You can of course create any number of custom properties 
(cMovie1, cMovie2, etc) if you need to store more than one movie. When 
you want to use it:

put tempname() into tFilePath
put the cMovie of this stack into url ("binfile:"&tFilePath)
set the filename of player 1 to tFilePath

The "binfile" part is important, it uses binary data. If you use just 
"file" instead you'll get a text file which won't work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:28:35 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:28:35 +0000
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <1ABF1B09-7FB1-4CD1-995E-27D4DB322FA2@kipmedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001170702t6621a10fpec5324ea15cb252@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001172027w3668952aobb3d1995c8bde88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ABF1B09-7FB1-4CD1-995E-27D4DB322FA2@kipmedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001181028x43fe481ei94c621d5e7c28769@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all - seems unproblematic then? I'm a little worried that I'll break
compatibility with plain old DVD players. I'm a little intrigued by this, as
something doesn't stack up - which is why I assumed there would be a problem
doing this with DVD's.

Where does this argument go wrong:

   1. It is straight forward to author (Rev) apps, that sit on a DVD in such
   a way that the DVD plays normally on a DVD player and the app auto-boots
   when inserted into a PC / laptop.
   2. The (Rev) app can offer additional interactivity / games / features to
   the plain DVD adding value to the DVD
   3. Rev apps could offer cross-platform interactive video
   4. There are quite a number of videos / documentaries that don't take up
   the full DVD disk space - leaving room for H264 encoded interactive video
   applications
   5. Consumers would benefit from the additional features. Publishers could
   create apps that easkily build communities around the DVD.
   6. There should be quite a few of these hybrid beasts out there...

but there aren't? Which makes me think there is a compatibility problem
doing this?

2010/1/18 chris livermore <contact at kipmedia.com>

> a UDF dvd format is what you're after.
> if you're using Toast - select the Data/DVD-ROM (UDF) option
>
> If you build in DVD Studio Pro you can create links to content on the DVD
> or the internet. I'm unsure as to whether you can link to a Rev app (from
> the DVD menu) but it can certainly be on the dvd disc, along with anything
> else (pdfs, docs, images etc)
>
> cheers
>
> chris
>
>
> On 18/01/2010, at 3:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs.
>>
>> I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files
>> those apps put in .
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/17 David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
>>
>>  Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as
>>> normal
>>> video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a
>>> Rev
>>> application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would
>>> not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in
>>> searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software):
>>>
>>> you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder,
>>>
>>>> then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> example).
>>>> putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC
>>>> so
>>>> the user does not need to navigate to some file manually.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within
>>> Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder
>>> create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know
>>> of?
>>>
>>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 13:44:55 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:44:55 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <D130C585-C721-47D0-81C6-1E9BCD1AE503@dimensionB.de>
References: <807600.3171.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<D130C585-C721-47D0-81C6-1E9BCD1AE503@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181044o52f386ffi5e66168397df101b@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, "ON-REV ENGINE NOTES [ LAST UPDATED 2009-06-02 BY Mark Waddingham ]"
is the ONLY full reference sheet on ON-Rev. I was just going to re-post it.

When is Revolution going to {

1. Show some new features promised for On-Rev?
2. Print some decent, searchable, and fully complete docs on the service?
3. Make this tech available to other ISP hosts like Dreamhost?

}
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionb.de>

> Hi Mike,
>
> you can get infos about the $_SERVER variable here:
>
> http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt
>
>
> Ralf
>
>
> On 18.01.2010, at 16:55, Michael Kann wrote:
>
> > While perusing the revIngniter docs I came across the sentence:
> > ----
> > The On-Rev server is currently not supporting the $_Server variable
> HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET, so this function returns FALSE on this server.
> > ---
> > Is there a list someplace of the server variables which the On-Rev server
> supports? (I assume that would be the same list that you can use in your
> .irev pages?)
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:58:00 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:58:00 +0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>	<100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>
	<7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B54AF38.7080806@gmail.com>

On 18/01/2010 19:53, Andre Garzia wrote:
> huge memory problems and slow rendering...
>
> I experience this as well sometimes.
>
> Voted for the rendering bugs
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mark Wieder<mwieder at ahsoftware.net>  wrote:
>
>    
>> Richard-
>>
>> Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:18:43 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Malte wrote:
>>>        
>>      
>>>> I am not complaining.
>>>>          
>> I am. And I have.
>>
>>      
>>> Good info.  I'm assuming this is logged in the RQCC?
>>>        
>> Examples: BZ#7216, BZ#7162, BZ#7257, BZ#7274, BZ#7364, BZ#8513...
>>
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>>   mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>
>>      
My main 'grunt' about RunRev on Linux has nothing to do with RunRev at 
all: it is
virtually impossible to install your own fonts in a place that RunRev 
will recognise
them.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 14:23:53 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:23:53 -0200
Subject: [BUG] RevBrowser fails to render from htmltext property if no url
	was loaded before.
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001181123p4b59dc58jdbef0b90021a1493@mail.gmail.com>

If you create a revbrowser object on windows xp and didn't set it to go to
any url (pass empty in revbrowseropen) and then tries to set the content by
setting the htmltext property of the revbrowserinstance, it will fail to set
and will not render.

If you set the url property to some url and then after rendering, you set
the htmltext property, it will work.

It appears that revbrowser will not instantiate on windows if it is not told
to load a url.

bz#8549

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8549

This is a blocker to anyone trying to use RevBrowser to render custom media
players or displays. For example, I use it to play youtube videos but not
youtube home page, I assemble a htmltext using merge and set it, this is
elegant for the temporary page never touches the disk but it is not working
on windows, on the mac it works great. I also use it to play audio and video
files using JW FLV player which works quite well on macs but on windows is
failing.

If I set the revbrowser to some other url and then try to set it to my
htmltext, then it works ok. I believe the activeX or whichever thing is used
to load the browser component on windows fails to initialize if not pointed
to an url.

Cheers and votes welcome.

Andre
PS: will by beer and chocolates for voters during next revolution
conference.

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jan 18 14:32:31 2010
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:32:31 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B547977.4060805@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B547977.4060805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E42E005A-DF8A-4C4C-9A7B-DBFE5E47CA71@canelasoftware.com>

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>> The REV of today is a lot more complex than previous years. Also it's
>> important to note in this comparison the fact that Metacard went out of
>> business.
> 
> While it's technically correct that MetaCard Corp. is no longer in business, to avoid newcomers misinterpreting the above this is a case where details matter:
> 
> MetaCard Corp. is no longer in business because Dr. Raney successfully executed its exit strategy.
> 
> Most businesses are launched with an exit strategy in mind, and for many small software companies that exit strategy is the sale of the company's assets to another firm after having built them up to an appreciable value.
> 
> With the sale of the MetaCard engine to RunRev Ltd. in 2003, that's exactly what Dr. Raney did.
> 
> In fact, it may be worth noting that in the whole of xTalk history I know of no one else who has retired as well from the proceeds of their engine.
> 
> Last time I corrresponded with Dr. Raney he was taking a brief break from sailing around the Caribbean Sea to return to the States to manage some assets here which his corporation had acquired for him.
> 
> It would be ungentlemanly to discuss the nature of those assets, but suffice to say his leisure time speaks for itself.
> 
> So while it's true that MetaCard Corp. "went out of business", may we all go out of business as well as he did. :)


This reminds me of my last conversation I had with Dr. Raney.  We were discussing his sale to Rev when he told me about his exit strategy.  In my more naive state of business ownership I felt he was selling out.  But he educated me in considering this very important stage and lifespan of a business.  He asked me when I planned to retire and enjoy the fruit of my labor.  I found the handful of conversations we had to be very useful in my formative years.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Mon Jan 18 14:38:48 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:38:48 -0500
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my
questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
Thanks, Hershel


On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Herschel,
> 
> I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
> it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
> process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
> opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
> as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.
> 
> If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
> use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
> hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
> the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
> client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
> start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
> (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
> 
> A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
> the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
> would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
> 
> It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:
>> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
>> 
>>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? ?Do you mean
>>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
>>> program?
>> 
>> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
>> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
>> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a
>> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
>> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means that
>> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password
>> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and
>> its done.
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> preferences:
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 18 15:04:27 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:04:27 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <E42E005A-DF8A-4C4C-9A7B-DBFE5E47CA71@canelasoftware.com>
References: <4B547977.4060805@fourthworld.com>
	<E42E005A-DF8A-4C4C-9A7B-DBFE5E47CA71@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C6ECD932340C4E4CB1D175C0A45749A2@GATEWAY>

> > So while it's true that MetaCard Corp. "went out of 
> business", may we 
> > all go out of business as well as he did. :)
> 
> 
> This reminds me of my last conversation I had with Dr. Raney. 
>  We were discussing his sale to Rev when he told me about his 
> exit strategy.  In my more naive state of business ownership 
> I felt he was selling out.  But he educated me in considering 
> this very important stage and lifespan of a business.  He 
> asked me when I planned to retire and enjoy the fruit of my 
> labor.  I found the handful of conversations we had to be 
> very useful in my formative years.

It is important to differentiate between a company, technology and the
owner. In fact, I have had some conversations with VCs about how they screen
out a lot of start ups by finding out if the owner really understands it.
Ive seen a lot of brilliant work that comes out of deep research (esp from
academics) flounder as a result.

Scott had his "human" exit strategy - retirement. MetaCard had its business
exit strategy - sell assets to Runtime, knowing that Runtime will make long
term investments. I am very glad this is what happened. If the business
can't reach beyond a certain size, then its very hard to keep prepetuating
an infrastructural product like a development environment (or a database
system, for that matter). Open source can alleviate that a bit.

For those who know what Im talking about - remember.. mTropolis? ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 15:13:26 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:13:26 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>

Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>

> Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
> sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my
> questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
> Thanks, Hershel
>
>
> On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Herschel,
> >
> > I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
> > it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
> > process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
> > opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
> > as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.
> >
> > If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
> > use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
> > hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
> > the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
> > client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
> > start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
> > (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
> >
> > A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
> > the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
> > would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
> >
> > It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> wrote:
> >> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
> >>
> >>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
> >>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
> >>> program?
> >>
> >> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
> >> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
> >> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not
> a
> >> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
> >> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means
> that
> >> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
> password
> >> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in
> and
> >> its done.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
> > preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 15:18:54 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:18:54 -0200
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>

be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable.

Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP?

(PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last
time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience
with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
>
> > Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
> > sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now
> my
> > questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
> > Thanks, Hershel
> >
> >
> > On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Herschel,
> > >
> > > I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
> > > it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
> > > process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
> > > opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
> > > as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.
> > >
> > > If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
> > > use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
> > > hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
> > > the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
> > > client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
> > > start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
> > > (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
> > >
> > > A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
> > > the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
> > > would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
> > >
> > > It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
> > >
> > > Bernard
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
> > >>
> > >>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
> > >>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
> > >>> program?
> > >>
> > >> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when
> a
> > >> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
> > >> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and
> not
> > a
> > >> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server
> or
> > >> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that
> means
> > that
> > >> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
> > password
> > >> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in
> > and
> > >> its done.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription
> > > preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 15:27:10 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:27:10 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181227o413dfffcjf87561025190a4a8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure we will hear from Jim Ault soon about this -- he's been working
recently with both TCP and UDP packets.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>

> be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable.
>
> Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP?
>
> (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last
> time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience
> with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams)
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> > Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> >
> >
> > 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> >
> > > Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
> > > sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior,
> now
> > my
> > > questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
> > > Thanks, Hershel
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Herschel,
> > > >
> > > > I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
> > > > it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
> > > > process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
> > > > opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
> > > > as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with
> it.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
> > > > use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
> > > > hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions
> to
> > > > the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
> > > > client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got
> a
> > > > start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
> > > > (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
> > > >
> > > > A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
> > > > the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine
> it
> > > > would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
> > > >
> > > > It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
> > > >
> > > > Bernard
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
> > > >>
> > > >>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
> > > >>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
> > > >>> program?
> > > >>
> > > >> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev,
> when
> > a
> > > >> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need
> to
> > > >> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and
> > not
> > > a
> > > >> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server
> > or
> > > >> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that
> > means
> > > that
> > > >> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
> > > password
> > > >> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it
> in
> > > and
> > > >> its done.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription
> > > > preferences:
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> > >
> > >
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 18 15:27:11 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:27:11 -0800
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
Message-ID: <4B54C41F.3050807@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> For those who know what Im talking about - remember.. mTropolis? ;-)

What I remember about mTropolis was that at the trade shows they acted 
like debutantes fresh out of finishing school:  at $5,000 a license, 
they gave a quick look at your watch and your shoes before deciding 
whether you were worth talking to. ;)

That unique customer service approach came back to haunt them later: by 
the time they dropped the price by about 75% the following year, they'd 
already turned off so many people to their company that I knew very few 
who bothered looking at it.

For those unfamiliar with mTropolis, the saga of their demise is 
described in this Salon article:
<http://archive.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/06/10feature.html>

They also discovered a common failing of many visual authoring systems, 
as noted in <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTropolis>:

    One criticism of the tool was that the integrated programming
    language, Miniscript, was lacking key features necessary for
    common tasks. Because mTropolis was conceived around a visual
    programming metaphor, mFactory engineers intentionally omitted
    control constructs such as conditional loops.

Bill Appleton ran into the same thing after he made CourseBuilder, which 
was part of his motivation for creating SuperCard.  As he put it in an 
interview I did with him back in '89, "Visual systems are great for 
simple things, but once you get to a certain level of complexity they 
just break down, they're just not as expressive as scripting."

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 15:27:51 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:27:51 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181227o413dfffcjf87561025190a4a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001181227o413dfffcjf87561025190a4a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181227j62337ab6jcf87518dee651223@mail.gmail.com>

By the way, Skype uses UDP
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> I'm sure we will hear from Jim Ault soon about this -- he's been working
> recently with both TCP and UDP packets.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/18 Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
>
> be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable.
>>
>> Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP?
>>
>> (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last
>> time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience
>> with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard <
>> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
>> > -------------------------
>> > Stephen Barncard
>> > San Francisco
>> > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
>> >
>> > > Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
>> > > sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior,
>> now
>> > my
>> > > questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
>> > > Thanks, Hershel
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Herschel,
>> > > >
>> > > > I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
>> > > > it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
>> > > > process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
>> > > > opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program
>> opened
>> > > > as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with
>> it.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you
>> can
>> > > > use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have
>> for
>> > > > hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions
>> to
>> > > > the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
>> > > > client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got
>> a
>> > > > start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
>> > > > (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
>> > > >
>> > > > A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
>> > > > the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine
>> it
>> > > > would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
>> > > >
>> > > > Bernard
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
>> > > >>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
>> > > >>> program?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev,
>> when
>> > a
>> > > >> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need
>> to
>> > > >> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and
>> > not
>> > > a
>> > > >> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a
>> server
>> > or
>> > > >> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that
>> > means
>> > > that
>> > > >> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
>> > > password
>> > > >> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it
>> in
>> > > and
>> > > >> its done.
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > use-revolution mailing list
>> > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > > subscription
>> > > > preferences:
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>> > >
>> > >
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Jan 18 15:34:31 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:34:31 +0100
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <135EAA9B-2753-4A7A-9B37-9E38ECF39E3B@ezpzapps.com>


On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable.
> 
> Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP?
> 
> (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last
> time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience
> with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams)

Amen Brother, been there with you and done that.

sims

[sims is trying to organize a group attendance to a Bob Dylan Concert in the UK - Get in touch with sims if interested]

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 18 15:34:57 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:34:57 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181227j62337ab6jcf87518dee651223@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001181227o413dfffcjf87561025190a4a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001181227j62337ab6jcf87518dee651223@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <190273945609.20100118123457@ahsoftware.net>

stephen-

Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:27:51 PM, you wrote:

> By the way, Skype uses UDP

Yes, but a voice stream has typically a 3kHz bandwidth and dropped
packets don't make much of a difference.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 15:48:42 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:48:42 -0800
Subject: shell (cell phone rant)
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181248w7b4e44c1m4a54f9fd7047e0e8@mail.gmail.com>

To be fair, Skype's bandwidth (audio wise) sounds a lot better than 3k.
That's a value like the horrible cellphone audio bandwidth (which is far
worse than POTS). Skype is  MUCH better sounding than either.
Most of the communication companies don't give a hoot about clarity or
quality of the conversation as long as it gets there and people put up with
it. The state of telephone communications audio is at an all-time low. How
many times have you had to say "WHat?" when using a cellphone?  This just
didn't happen with the old wired phones nearly as much. I hate the frickin'
cellphone and use it every day. It's probably slowly killing me.

The wired phones would NEVER drop a call, the biggest insult of all. Usually
it's not a signal strength issue at all; most of the time users get randomly
booted and cut off because the bandwidth narrows from the traffic load.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>

> stephen-
>
> Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:27:51 PM, you wrote:
>
> > By the way, Skype uses UDP
>
> Yes, but a voice stream has typically a 3kHz bandwidth and dropped
> packets don't make much of a difference.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:53:29 2010
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:53:29 -0500
Subject: shell (cell phone rant)
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181248w7b4e44c1m4a54f9fd7047e0e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181248w7b4e44c1m4a54f9fd7047e0e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e1001181253i73886fadgce9e45283d9867ce@mail.gmail.com>

It doesn't help that the phones sux0rz, either.  I have two phones on my
hip, and the new one, the expensive one, sounds like crap.  Bluetooth
headsets sound like crap.



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
  and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From edljr at mac.com  Mon Jan 18 16:10:08 2010
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:10:08 -0600
Subject: Modal Stack Problem
Message-ID: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>

I am in a pickle, as the saying goes.

I was experimenting with a stack that on preOpenStack, executes a  
"modal stack" command. The problem is that I forgot to put a way out  
of the modal mode. Now I cannot get back to my code to fix this. I  
cannot even get to the Message Box.

Is there a way out of this?

Painted in a corner,
Ed



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 16:11:51 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:11:51 -0800
Subject: shell (cell phone rant)
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1001181253i73886fadgce9e45283d9867ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181248w7b4e44c1m4a54f9fd7047e0e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e1001181253i73886fadgce9e45283d9867ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181311w275f65bci52e081eef2b1f6bc@mail.gmail.com>

Which is my point. Between You Toob and MP3s and cell phones, the 'general
public' is often only exposed to distorted (and disfigured) sound and video
sources -- the 'dumbing down' of quality to where there is no quality
reference available and so this noise ends up being what is considered
'acceptable'.

For someone like me who has worked with quality audio for 50 years, it's
painful. I don't tolerate bad sound in clubs either - I will walk out.
"The Rickshaw Stop" in  San Francisco was one of the worst I have ever heard
in my life.  Brick Wall Limiting and kill sound levels combined. No
dynamics. Acoustic songs and Electric rockers all sound alike in a painful
collage of pain.  And I had my 25db pro earplugs in and still couldn't
escape the pain.  All these people will be SO deaf in about 5 years. Sad.
Nobody seems to care.

 And one of the best sounding venues in town is the old Fillmore (and both
Yoshi's nightclubs)
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Mikey <mikeythek at gmail.com>

> It doesn't help that the phones sux0rz, either.  I have two phones on my
> hip, and the new one, the expensive one, sounds like crap.  Bluetooth
> headsets sound like crap.
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>  and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 18 16:12:11 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:12:11 -0800
Subject: shell (cell phone rant)
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181248w7b4e44c1m4a54f9fd7047e0e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181248w7b4e44c1m4a54f9fd7047e0e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57276179828.20100118131211@ahsoftware.net>

stephen-

Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:48:42 PM, you wrote:

> To be fair, Skype's bandwidth (audio wise) sounds a lot better than 3k.

We spent an hour and a half on a Skype video conversation halfway
around the world with a friend in Germany yesterday with crystal-clear
reception. My vision of the future is the POTS companies going out of
business and Skype buying them up to provide wired service.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 18 16:16:18 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:16:18 +0100
Subject: Modal Stack Problem
In-Reply-To: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
References: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <57DC033C-5ADD-4FB1-B772-17A027FE9DEA@economy-x-talk.com>

Ed,

On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in  
the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while  
right-clicking with the mouse.

On Windows and Linux, keep control-shift pressed while right-clicking  
in the modal window.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net 
  and support the earthquake victims.

Op 18 jan 2010, om 22:10 heeft Edward D Lavieri Jr het volgende  
geschreven:

> I am in a pickle, as the saying goes.
>
> I was experimenting with a stack that on preOpenStack, executes a  
> "modal stack" command. The problem is that I forgot to put a way out  
> of the modal mode. Now I cannot get back to my code to fix this. I  
> cannot even get to the Message Box.
>
> Is there a way out of this?
>
> Painted in a corner,
> Ed



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 16:17:10 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:17:10 -0800
Subject: Modal Stack Problem
In-Reply-To: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
References: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181317n6d4ff0ffq65b802f1aef19a46@mail.gmail.com>

Probably 'force quit'. Sorry. This happens. You must build in a 'Cancel'
button (or some other escape mechanism) first in your modal to keep this
from happening.

Consider using Eric Chatonet's Backup utility while working -- it rocks.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Edward D Lavieri Jr <edljr at mac.com>

> I am in a pickle, as the saying goes.
>
> I was experimenting with a stack that on preOpenStack, executes a "modal
> stack" command. The problem is that I forgot to put a way out of the modal
> mode. Now I cannot get back to my code to fix this. I cannot even get to the
> Message Box.
>
> Is there a way out of this?
>
> Painted in a corner,
> Ed
>
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From edljr at mac.com  Mon Jan 18 16:31:22 2010
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:31:22 -0600
Subject: Modal Stack Problem
In-Reply-To: <57DC033C-5ADD-4FB1-B772-17A027FE9DEA@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
	<57DC033C-5ADD-4FB1-B772-17A027FE9DEA@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C64FA28E-E4C8-463B-8956-F2775F703D5B@mac.com>

Hi Mark,

Thanks so much for this; it obviously did the trick!

After watching the 2008 conference DVDs and attending the 2009  
conference, I did not walk away with this gem.

Thanks again.

Out of the corner,
Ed


On Jan 18, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Ed,
>
> On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in  
> the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while  
> right-clicking with the mouse.
>
> On Windows and Linux, keep control-shift pressed while right- 
> clicking in the modal window.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net 
>  and support the earthquake victims.
>
> Op 18 jan 2010, om 22:10 heeft Edward D Lavieri Jr het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> I am in a pickle, as the saying goes.
>>
>> I was experimenting with a stack that on preOpenStack, executes a  
>> "modal stack" command. The problem is that I forgot to put a way  
>> out of the modal mode. Now I cannot get back to my code to fix  
>> this. I cannot even get to the Message Box.
>>
>> Is there a way out of this?
>>
>> Painted in a corner,
>> Ed
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 18 16:33:55 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:33:55 -0800
Subject: Modal Stack Problem
In-Reply-To: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
References: <961D8E70-7870-4A44-835E-F736C305817B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <159277484218.20100118133355@ahsoftware.net>

Edward-

Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:10:08 PM, you wrote:

> I am in a pickle, as the saying goes.

> I was experimenting with a stack that on preOpenStack, executes a  
> "modal stack" command. The problem is that I forgot to put a way out
> of the modal mode. Now I cannot get back to my code to fix this. I  
> cannot even get to the Message Box.

> Is there a way out of this?

Turn on "Suppress Messages" from the menubar before loading your
stack. Then turn in back off again when it's loaded and edit your
preOpenStack handler.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 17:06:02 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:06:02 +0900
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <C6873CB0-E014-4F61-BA0F-C366ED501DA2@mac.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6873CB0-E014-4F61-BA0F-C366ED501DA2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001181406g58b4834cja2decb2ac55d8491@mail.gmail.com>

> but Chatrev also runs from my LAN.

Doesn't this require purchasing a permanent IP address from your  ISP?

I used to run my own Linux web server, and relied on software for
updating the IP address whenever my ISP changed it (eg, whenever I
restarted my web server).

Thanks, Bjoernke... and I'll try and see about posting this too on
your chat setup.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 17:10:51 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:10:51 +0900
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <8CCA7DF8-ACF4-4E7B-9F1E-7BCBB048ABC0@yahoo.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CCA7DF8-ACF4-4E7B-9F1E-7BCBB048ABC0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001181410t361a2820u534f1538fb536247@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim.

I've made stacks/revcgis that rely on POST/GET. But the interaction is
always one-off -- something's done and then the connection is cut. My
understanding of sockets is that, once a socket connection's been
made, then data can flow to and fro between any and all of the
connected elements.

Mostly though, after reading what you describe at some length just
left me thinking I'm way over my head here. But perhaps given time
I'll be able to digest it better.

Cheers.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 17:25:49 2010
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:25:49 EST
Subject: Modal Stack Problem
Message-ID: <39e29.50f8e0a5.388639ed@aol.com>

I did this once, early in my rev learning (I haven't moved much farther).

I seem to recall I asked, from the msg box, to edit the script of the 
offending stack, changed the code, and then was able to get in again.

Craig Newman


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Mon Jan 18 17:37:30 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:37:30 -0500
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77A4CDA.257E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>




On 1/18/10 3:13 PM, "stephen barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
wrote:

> Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
Could you be a bit more precise please? Didn't find it.
Hershel
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> 
> 
> 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> 
>> Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
>> sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my
>> questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
>> Thanks, Hershel
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Herschel,
>>> 
>>> I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
>>> it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
>>> process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
>>> opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
>>> as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.
>>> 
>>> If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
>>> use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
>>> hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
>>> the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
>>> client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
>>> start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
>>> (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
>>> 
>>> A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
>>> the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
>>> would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
>>> 
>>> It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
>>> 
>>> Bernard
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
>>>> 
>>>>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
>>>>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
>>>>> program?
>>>> 
>>>> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a
>>>> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
>>>> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not
>> a
>>>> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or
>>>> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that means
>> that
>>>> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
>> password
>>>> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in
>> and
>>>> its done.
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 17:41:42 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:41:42 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <C77A4CDA.257E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A4CDA.257E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181441w36cc8d6fsa68ac4ee27929ff6@mail.gmail.com>

My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It
doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could
write him.

sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>

>
>
>
> On 1/18/10 3:13 PM, "stephen barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
> Could you be a bit more precise please? Didn't find it.
> Hershel
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> >
> >
> > 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> >
> >> Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via
> >> sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now
> my
> >> questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
> >> Thanks, Hershel
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Herschel,
> >>>
> >>> I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to cut
> >>> it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
> >>> process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
> >>> opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened
> >>> as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it.
> >>>
> >>> If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then you can
> >>> use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you have for
> >>> hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to
> >>> the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
> >>> client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've got a
> >>> start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
> >>> (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
> >>>
> >>> A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to
> >>> the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I imagine it
> >>> would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
> >>>
> >>> It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
> >>>
> >>> Bernard
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
> >>>>
> >>>>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
> >>>>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
> >>>>> program?
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when
> a
> >>>> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to
> >>>> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and
> not
> >> a
> >>>> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server
> or
> >>>> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that
> means
> >> that
> >>>> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
> >> password
> >>>> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in
> >> and
> >>>> its done.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jan 18 17:50:55 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:50:55 +0000
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001181406g58b4834cja2decb2ac55d8491@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>	<1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>	<C6873CB0-E014-4F61-BA0F-C366ED501DA2@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001181406g58b4834cja2decb2ac55d8491@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B54E5CF.5080709@tweedly.net>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>> but Chatrev also runs from my LAN.
>>     
>
> Doesn't this require purchasing a permanent IP address from your  ISP?
>
>   
No. Your IP address will not change during a single connected session, 
only when your DSL (or equivalent) line drops and restarts. So you can 
use dyndns ( www.dyndns.com ) or equivalent services to register a 
domain name and have it automatically track your *current* IP address.

Or you can simply use their service to find your current IP address, and 
keep that updated yourself on your web page (not sure why you'd want to 
go to this extra effort, other than to keep everything under your own 
control ....)

If you're not familiar with port forwarding, you can get info from 
http://portforward.com/

What it does require is an "always on" (or mostly always on) machine to 
use.

Note - depending on what you're going to use this for, you should be 
aware of the possible issues. What you will have is the server 
replicating the packets, so every packet generated by the client will 
cause the server to echo it back once per other client (or perhaps once 
per client for every client - your choice). You need to consider the 
bandwidth usage and latency induced by this - especially if you have an 
ASDL connection, where your upload speed (and allowed bandwidth for some 
ISPs) is restricted.

There is also a chance you can appear like a file-sharing user (hardly 
anyone else will use as much upload bandwidth as they do download 
bandwidth), so you may trigger alarms in your ISP.

The other option for your overall problem is to use a freely available 
chat-like server, such as jabber.org
Unfortunately, there isn't a jabber protocol library available for 
RunRev - though I know someone on this list had implemented a version of 
this, and was hoping to find time to get it polished enough to release.


-- Alex.


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jan 18 18:36:36 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:36:36 +0000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181441w36cc8d6fsa68ac4ee27929ff6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>	<C77A4CDA.257E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181441w36cc8d6fsa68ac4ee27929ff6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B54F084.5050806@tweedly.net>

stephen barncard wrote:
> My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It
> doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could
> write him.
>   
They were on the old RevOnline (pre Rev 3.0). I had some problems 
getting stacks on the new RevOnline, but will try again soon.

In the meantime, you can find them at

http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo server - released.rev
http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo client - released.rev

(please do not look at anything else on that web site. "under 
construction" wouldn't even begin to describe it ...).

-- Alex.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 18:37:46 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:37:46 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory listing using
the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a directory and
it really is incomplete (like year information).

Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON-REV ftp
setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
http://pureftpd.org/"

HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }



Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the other FTP
commands, especially LIST?

here's the simple code:


on mouseup

      get returnAffectedFieldName()

      put it into tObject

      put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine

      libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"

      get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)

      put it into fld tObject

end mouseup


We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help, please,
Dave Cragg.


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 18:39:46 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:39:46 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <4B54F084.5050806@tweedly.net>
References: <e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A4CDA.257E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181441w36cc8d6fsa68ac4ee27929ff6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B54F084.5050806@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181539o29f8d242rb0d8ce080368123d@mail.gmail.com>

look out for spaces in the link --- automatic clickable links will be wrong
with spaces.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It
>> doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could
>> write him.
>>
>>
> They were on the old RevOnline (pre Rev 3.0). I had some problems getting
> stacks on the new RevOnline, but will try again soon.
>
> In the meantime, you can find them at
>
> http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo server - released.rev
> http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo client - released.rev
>
> (please do not look at anything else on that web site. "under construction"
> wouldn't even begin to describe it ...).
>
> -- Alex.
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 18:59:33 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:59:33 +1000
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001181559q46e98ab2ra2b6f913e72f2a2@mail.gmail.com>

> As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the variable
> $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser perspective.
> Hope this helps.

I can't get $_SERVER["Date"] to return anything, although that would
be really useful.

I have a test page that lists all the elements of the $_SERVER array
that it can find:
<http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/test.irev>
but it doesn't include a DATE entry.

I would imagine that since On-Rev is server-side scripting, it would
have no way of getting the time & date from the calling browser. I
would expect that this would need to use JavaScript (client-side
scripting) which interacts more directly with the browser.

Cheers,
Sarah


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 18 19:01:51 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:01:51 +0100
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>

generally, you can go to ftp directories, and get a rev-like listing:

put "ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/" into theListOfFiles

if you know that and still want to use the list command yourself, then i suggest to use shell, because rev doesn't open the data connection for you, and it seems you need that for file listings. (ftp has a data and a command port, and some servers need you to use both, this can be controlled by active and passive mode (via liburlsetftpmode), but for what you're trying that's not much help anyway). Seriously, i've looked into this once, and am now glad to know that I never will need to implement it myself, thus i suggest again:

put "ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/" into theListOfFiles

finally, note that setting the liburlftplistcommand is useless if you use liburlftpcommand to get listings of files "by hand"(basically liburlftpcommand is more of an internal handler, and using it forfaits a few build in things).


On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:37, stephen barncard wrote:

> I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory listing using
> the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a directory and
> it really is incomplete (like year information).
> 
> Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON-REV ftp
> setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
> http://pureftpd.org/"
> 
> HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
> LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
> PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
> SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the other FTP
> commands, especially LIST?
> 
> here's the simple code:
> 
> 
> on mouseup
> 
>      get returnAffectedFieldName()
> 
>      put it into tObject
> 
>      put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine
> 
>      libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"
> 
>      get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)
> 
>      put it into fld tObject
> 
> end mouseup
> 
> 
> We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help, please,
> Dave Cragg.
> 
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 18 19:07:04 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:07:04 -0200
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001181559q46e98ab2ra2b6f913e72f2a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f99b52861001181559q46e98ab2ra2b6f913e72f2a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001181607q5d6b1b70sb9e3ea458338813c@mail.gmail.com>

AAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!

okay, it is down to this... browsers send the date header to the server, it
is mandatory but the date header is not being passed to the $_SERVER
variable, which means they are not passing all the headers as they should.

they are just passing some of the http headers, they should simply loop all
sent headers and pass them to the $_SERVER variable.

Damn!!! When I checked, I used firebug to see what my browser is sending,
and the date header is there as expected, it is just not being parsed by the
revserver engine.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

> > As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the
> variable
> > $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser
> perspective.
> > Hope this helps.
>
> I can't get $_SERVER["Date"] to return anything, although that would
> be really useful.
>
> I have a test page that lists all the elements of the $_SERVER array
> that it can find:
> <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/test.irev>
> but it doesn't include a DATE entry.
>
> I would imagine that since On-Rev is server-side scripting, it would
> have no way of getting the time & date from the calling browser. I
> would expect that this would need to use JavaScript (client-side
> scripting) which interacts more directly with the browser.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 19:11:30 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:11:30 +0900
Subject: scrollable-like navigation of images in a group-object
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>

I've grouped a large number of images, then set the height of the
group-object to be smaller than the actual height-area covered by the
images (the widths are ok).

Next, I'd like to enable keyboard navigation such that users use keys
rather than the mouse to:

(1) hilite/select individual images

(2) bring into display images outside the boundaries of the
group-object's size (ie, vertical scrolling).

I realize groub-object's already have a built-in scrollbar property,
but want to avoid relying on or displaying scrollbars for this
particular stack in progress.

What Rev commands/properties might be involved for this effect?

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 18 19:21:44 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:21:44 +0100
Subject: scrollable-like navigation of images in a group-object
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD5C8763-D956-40CB-A990-8CF9E4CD4C3A@economy-x-talk.com>

Nicolas,

You might simply try to grab command, if all you want to do under (2)  
is to move the image around. Set the lockLoc of the group to true and  
the image will just move inside the group. I'm not sure what happens  
of the user manages to drag far enough to move the image entirely off- 
screen.

You could also use a repeat loop, which sets the loc of the image to a  
value dependent on the mouseLoc.

Personally, I would change the vScroll and hScroll of the group while  
the user moves the mouse over the image while pressing the mouse  
button. You don't need to dislplay scroll bars for this.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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Op 19 jan 2010, om 01:11 heeft Nicolas Cueto het volgende geschreven:

> I've grouped a large number of images, then set the height of the
> group-object to be smaller than the actual height-area covered by the
> images (the widths are ok).
>
> Next, I'd like to enable keyboard navigation such that users use keys
> rather than the mouse to:
>
> (1) hilite/select individual images
>
> (2) bring into display images outside the boundaries of the
> group-object's size (ie, vertical scrolling).
>
> I realize groub-object's already have a built-in scrollbar property,
> but want to avoid relying on or displaying scrollbars for this
> particular stack in progress.
>
> What Rev commands/properties might be involved for this effect?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto




From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 19:29:44 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:29:44 +0900
Subject: scrollable-like navigation of images in a group-object
In-Reply-To: <BD5C8763-D956-40CB-A990-8CF9E4CD4C3A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD5C8763-D956-40CB-A990-8CF9E4CD4C3A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001181629v10f5b9c7v31d4bcac350a2888@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark, but I do not want to rely on the mouse at all. And I do
not want the image positions changed within the group. It's the group
itself that should scrolll up and down, so that a row of images above
or below the group-object boundaries will come into view.

In the meantime, I've discovered one new property: "vScroll".

Now, to find out how to set the border color of image objects...

--
Nicolas Cueto


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 18 19:45:20 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:45:20 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks...this sort of works.....  the example needs to use the URL keyword
though

put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles

this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method, however the dates in
the listing are not consistent.

drwxr-x---   21 sbarncar 99           4096 Dec 31 03:03 .

drwx--x--x   15 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..

-rw-r--r--    1 sbarncar sbarncar        0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess

drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jul 11  2009 .smileys

drwxr-xr-x   12 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jun 20  2009 barncard

drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters


Some directories have the year, and some just have the month and day. Is
this just the way it is? The year is just not important?

I wonder how Transmit and other FTP clients get this date info correctly?

sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

> generally, you can go to ftp directories, and get a rev-like listing:
>
> put "ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/" into theListOfFiles
>
> if you know that and still want to use the list command yourself, then i
> suggest to use shell, because rev doesn't open the data connection for you,
> and it seems you need that for file listings. (ftp has a data and a command
> port, and some servers need you to use both, this can be controlled by
> active and passive mode (via liburlsetftpmode), but for what you're trying
> that's not much help anyway). Seriously, i've looked into this once, and am
> now glad to know that I never will need to implement it myself, thus i
> suggest again:
>
> put "ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/" into theListOfFiles
>
> finally, note that setting the liburlftplistcommand is useless if you use
> liburlftpcommand to get listings of files "by hand"(basically
> liburlftpcommand is more of an internal handler, and using it forfaits a few
> build in things).
>
>
> On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:37, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory listing using
> > the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a directory
> and
> > it really is incomplete (like year information).
> >
> > Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON-REV ftp
> > setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
> > http://pureftpd.org/"
> >
> > HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
> > LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
> > PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
> > SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the other
> FTP
> > commands, especially LIST?
> >
> > here's the simple code:
> >
> >
> > on mouseup
> >
> >      get returnAffectedFieldName()
> >
> >      put it into tObject
> >
> >      put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine
> >
> >      libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"
> >
> >      get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)
> >
> >      put it into fld tObject
> >
> > end mouseup
> >
> >
> > We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help,
> please,
> > Dave Cragg.
> >
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 18 20:35:51 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:35:51 -0600
Subject: scrollable-like navigation of images in a group-object
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001181629v10f5b9c7v31d4bcac350a2888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>	<BD5C8763-D956-40CB-A990-8CF9E4CD4C3A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1e91b2b71001181629v10f5b9c7v31d4bcac350a2888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B550C77.2000100@hyperactivesw.com>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> Thanks Mark, but I do not want to rely on the mouse at all. And I do
> not want the image positions changed within the group. It's the group
> itself that should scrolll up and down, so that a row of images above
> or below the group-object boundaries will come into view.
> 
> In the meantime, I've discovered one new property: "vScroll".

Or just "scroll" for short. There is also hScroll to move the group 
horizontally. I would trap key events and set the scroll of the group by 
a few pixels in the right direction on each keypress.

> 
> Now, to find out how to set the border color of image objects...

It isn't easy. I know you can only set a bordercolor using a color that 
is already in the image's palette. And the border must not be 3D, and 
the image must be opaque. But I just tried it and it doesn't work. Maybe 
someone else knows.

I think I got around this in the past by displaying the image as an icon 
in a square button and setting the border color of the button instead.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 01:31:33 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:31:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <134448.87412.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Stephen,

Try changing the FTP list command before you get that URL.
##
libUrlSetListCommand "NLST"
put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles
##
If the ftp daemon supports the 'new list' format, it will be easier and more predictable to parse.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard..com> wrote:

> From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> Subject: Re: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:45 PM
> Thanks...this sort of
> works.....? the example needs to use the URL keyword
> though
> 
> put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into
> theListOfFiles
> 
> this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method,
> however the dates in
> the listing are not consistent.
> 
> drwxr-x---???21 sbarncar 99? ?
> ? ? ???4096 Dec 31 03:03 .
> 
> drwx--x--x???15 sbarncar sbarncar?
> ???4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..
> 
> -rw-r--r--? ? 1 sbarncar sbarncar? ?
> ? ? 0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess
> 
> drwxr-xr-x? ? 2 sbarncar sbarncar?
> ???4096 Jul 11? 2009 .smileys
> 
> drwxr-xr-x???12 sbarncar sbarncar?
> ???4096 Jun 20? 2009 barncard
> 
> drwxr-xr-x? ? 2 sbarncar sbarncar?
> ???4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters
> 
> 
> Some directories have the year, and some just have the
> month and day. Is
> this just the way it is? The year is just not important?
> 
> I wonder how Transmit and other FTP clients get this date
> info correctly?
> 
> sqb
> 


      



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 01:34:28 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:34:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BUG] RevBrowser fails to render from htmltext property if no
	url was loaded before.
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001181123p4b59dc58jdbef0b90021a1493@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <969017.20450.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

The ea?siest workaround is to first open a blank page; so on opening the revBrowser instance, I set the initial URL to "about:blank" and that seems to do the trick.
Maybe this should be the default URL for new revBrowser instances - either that or they should make it very clear in the docs that a valid URL is required :-)

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> 
> If you create a revbrowser object on
> windows xp and didn't set it to go to
> any url (pass empty in revbrowseropen) and then tries to
> set the content by
> setting the htmltext property of the revbrowserinstance, it
> will fail to set
> and will not render.
> 
> If you set the url property to some url and then after
> rendering, you set
> the htmltext property, it will work.
> 
> It appears that revbrowser will not instantiate on windows
> if it is not told
> to load a url.
> 
> bz#8549
> 
> http://quality..runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8549
> 
> This is a blocker to anyone trying to use RevBrowser to
> render custom media
> players or displays. For example, I use it to play youtube
> videos but not
> youtube home page, I assemble a htmltext using merge and
> set it, this is
> elegant for the temporary page never touches the disk but
> it is not working
> on windows, on the mac it works great. I also use it to
> play audio and video
> files using JW FLV player which works quite well on macs
> but on windows is
> failing.
> 
> If I set the revbrowser to some other url and then try to
> set it to my
> htmltext, then it works ok.. I believe the activeX or
> whichever thing is used
> to load the browser component on windows fails to
> initialize if not pointed
> to an url.
> 
> Cheers and votes welcome.
> 
> Andre
> 


      



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 19 02:39:38 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:39:38 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <134448.87412.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<134448.87412.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001182339q3fac092fla903e240940ae2bb@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jan,

but  "NLIST" is the short list - names only. and "LIST" is the default
anyway. I'm trying to get good years out of a listing  -- or seconds.

I'm going to try this with another web host.

Odd with all the years of progress on the web, that we'd have a date problem
with a ftp server in 2010!

It has been 30 years. Some pretty funky underpinnings the net is built
on....     like email....

I think it's time that Rev ( or someone ) offered SFTP and https support.
I'm guessing that SFTP is a modern, rewritten, version of FTP and surely
they got the date-time stuff right. Anyway the security would help adoption
of Rev in many instances.

sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>

> Hi Stephen,
>
> Try changing the FTP list command before you get that URL.
> ##
> libUrlSetListCommand "NLST"
> put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles
> ##
> If the ftp daemon supports the 'new list' format, it will be easier and
> more predictable to parse.
>
> HTH,
>
> Jan Schenkel
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard..com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> > Subject: Re: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:45 PM
> > Thanks...this sort of
> > works.....  the example needs to use the URL keyword
> > though
> >
> > put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into
> > theListOfFiles
> >
> > this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method,
> > however the dates in
> > the listing are not consistent.
> >
> > drwxr-x---   21 sbarncar 99
> >        4096 Dec 31 03:03 .
> >
> > drwx--x--x   15 sbarncar sbarncar
> >    4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..
> >
> > -rw-r--r--    1 sbarncar sbarncar
> >     0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar
> >    4096 Jul 11  2009 .smileys
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x   12 sbarncar sbarncar
> >    4096 Jun 20  2009 barncard
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar
> >    4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters
> >
> >
> > Some directories have the year, and some just have the
> > month and day. Is
> > this just the way it is? The year is just not important?
> >
> > I wonder how Transmit and other FTP clients get this date
> > info correctly?
> >
> > sqb
> >
>
>
>
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 02:42:02 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:42:02 +0000
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59DEA699-9494-497C-82BF-45E361C0E852@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:45, stephen barncard wrote:

> Thanks...this sort of works.....  the example needs to use the URL keyword
> though
> 
> put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles
> 
> this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method, however the dates in
> the listing are not consistent.
> 
> drwxr-x---   21 sbarncar 99           4096 Dec 31 03:03 .
> 
> drwx--x--x   15 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..
> 
> -rw-r--r--    1 sbarncar sbarncar        0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess
> 
> drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jul 11  2009 .smileys
> 
> drwxr-xr-x   12 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jun 20  2009 barncard
> 
> drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters
> 
> 
> Some directories have the year, and some just have the month and day. Is
> this just the way it is? The year is just not important?

This is the standard FTP way. Similar to what the "ls -l" command returns on Unix-like systems. The year is not shown if the modification date is within the last six months. Instead the time is shown. Either way, "word 9 of line x of whatever" will return the name of the file.

libUrl uses the LIST command internally for ftp directory listings (or NLST if you do as Jan suggested). It returns exactly what the server returns.

Cheers
Dave

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 19 03:35:26 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:35:26 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <59DEA699-9494-497C-82BF-45E361C0E852@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<59DEA699-9494-497C-82BF-45E361C0E852@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001190035oaad292dt89f3f01b6b096d05@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for responding, Dave.  I get it now. Ok so I have to apply some kind
of logic and recover the year.....(over the threshold)
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/18 Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>

>
> On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:45, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > Thanks...this sort of works.....  the example needs to use the URL
> keyword
> > though
> >
> > put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles
> >
> > this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method, however the dates
> in
> > the listing are not consistent.
> >
> > drwxr-x---   21 sbarncar 99           4096 Dec 31 03:03 .
> >
> > drwx--x--x   15 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..
> >
> > -rw-r--r--    1 sbarncar sbarncar        0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jul 11  2009 .smileys
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x   12 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jun 20  2009 barncard
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters
> >
> >
> > Some directories have the year, and some just have the month and day. Is
> > this just the way it is? The year is just not important?
>
> This is the standard FTP way. Similar to what the "ls -l" command returns
> on Unix-like systems. The year is not shown if the modification date is
> within the last six months. Instead the time is shown. Either way, "word 9
> of line x of whatever" will return the name of the file.
>
> libUrl uses the LIST command internally for ftp directory listings (or NLST
> if you do as Jan suggested). It returns exactly what the server returns.
>
> Cheers
> Dave_______________________________________________
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 04:43:15 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:43:15 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001190035oaad292dt89f3f01b6b096d05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<59DEA699-9494-497C-82BF-45E361C0E852@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<e5e009d71001190035oaad292dt89f3f01b6b096d05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57D344DE-0D47-471F-9E1B-5D3F652A87EF@yahoo.com>

n Jan 19, 2010, at 12:35 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Thanks for responding, Dave.  I get it now. Ok so I have to apply  
> some kind
> of logic and recover the year.....(over the threshold)
> --    Stephen Barncard

I would strategize using a cgi stack to look a the folders that would  
be local to it, therefore it can return the detailed info about the  
drive it resides on.

Now you would ping an irev script, or a cgi, that returned what you  
wanted in the format you wanted, including filtered lists and  
directory walking (recursion).

I plan to do this in the next  few weeks as my new project will be  
uploading and moving files around on several web servers.

Of course I will also make a webPageThatShowsDirInfo.html (or .php)  
for each server to document which folder/folder/files I have in order  
to do batch updates and purges.  I will probably add a button to the  
page so that it will send me an email with its current data.

If  you do this, it will be interesting to see your solution vs the  
one I will be tweaking over the next couple years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:35 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Thanks for responding, Dave.  I get it now. Ok so I have to apply  
> some kind
> of logic and recover the year.....(over the threshold)
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
>
>
> 2010/1/18 Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>
>
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:45, stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks...this sort of works.....  the example needs to use the URL
>> keyword
>>> though
>>>
>>> put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles
>>>
>>> this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method, however the  
>>> dates
>> in
>>> the listing are not consistent.
>>>
>>> drwxr-x---   21 sbarncar 99           4096 Dec 31 03:03 .
>>>
>>> drwx--x--x   15 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--    1 sbarncar sbarncar        0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jul 11  2009 .smileys
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   12 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jun 20  2009 barncard
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters
>>>
>>>
>>> Some directories have the year, and some just have the month and  
>>> day. Is
>>> this just the way it is? The year is just not important?
>>
>> This is the standard FTP way. Similar to what the "ls -l" command  
>> returns
>> on Unix-like systems. The year is not shown if the modification  
>> date is
>> within the last six months. Instead the time is shown. Either way,  
>> "word 9
>> of line x of whatever" will return the name of the file.
>>
>> libUrl uses the LIST command internally for ftp directory listings  
>> (or NLST
>> if you do as Jan suggested). It returns exactly what the server  
>> returns.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave






From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 04:50:09 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:50:09 +0000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09E04F44-5A41-457F-ADF4-F289DCDC7CDC@anachreon.co.uk>

He he.. U is for User...

The protocol is is 'Unreliable' in the sense that there is very  
little in the way of guaranteeing data integrity, more like a shotgun  
approach to data transmission.
It relieves some of the TCP overhead which is why some online games  
use UDP instead of TCP to reduce latency. Any occasional hiccup is  
tolerated by the User.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 Jan 2010, at 20:18, Andre Garzia wrote:

> be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable.
>
> Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP?
>
> (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that  
> because last
> time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting  
> experience
> with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams)
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
>> Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
>>
>>> Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to  
>>> go via
>>> sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted  
>>> behavior, now
>> my
>>> questions if somebody could give a full statement example?
>>> Thanks, Hershel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Herschel,
>>>>
>>>> I am unfamiliar with Hylafax.  I don't think "shell" is going to  
>>>> cut
>>>> it for your needs.  What you may need is "open process", "write to
>>>> process" and "read from process".  Open process is kind of like
>>>> opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program  
>>>> opened
>>>> as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions  
>>>> with it.
>>>>
>>>> If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X & Windows, then  
>>>> you can
>>>> use that as the process to open.  If the only CLI client you  
>>>> have for
>>>> hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote  
>>>> sessions to
>>>> the server.  On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax
>>>> client via ssh opened via "open process".  If that works, you've  
>>>> got a
>>>> start.  On Windows you would then have to use something like plink
>>>> (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows).
>>>>
>>>> A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to  
>>>> talk to
>>>> the remote hylafax client.  I have never used Expect, but I  
>>>> imagine it
>>>> would be more complex to use than "open process" + ssh.
>>>>
>>>> It's going to be convoluted, but it might work.
>>>>
>>>> Bernard
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch  
>>>> <hershrev at syp2u4c.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the problem with writing multiple arguments?  Do you mean
>>>>>> multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one
>>>>>> program?
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in  
>>>>> Rev, when
>> a
>>>>> shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I  
>>>>> need to
>>>>> respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session  
>>>>> and
>> not
>>> a
>>>>> continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a  
>>>>> server
>> or
>>>>> change user, put shell("su - userABC") it returns "password" that
>> means
>>> that
>>>>> it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a
>>> password
>>>>> it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type  
>>>>> it in
>>> and
>>>>> its done.
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Jan 19 04:51:35 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:51:35 +0000
Subject: mandelRev - in memory of Bill Marriott
In-Reply-To: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>
References: <2AC76E38-0151-4070-A3F1-BBA5C590E713@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5580A7.8080805@ekoinf.net>

Thank You Peter! In my memories Mandelbrot fractal now is also 
associated with Bill...

Viktoras


Peter Brigham MD wrote:
> You can download the updated mandelRev stack at:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.dmg
> or
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/mandelRev.rev.zip
>
> From the help text:
>
> This stack is a tribute to the memory of Bill Marriott ? one of his 
> last little side projects was the initial Mandelbrot Explorer stack, 
> which he offered to the RunRev mailing list as an example of the power 
> of the Revolution environment. Bill worked out the calculation 
> handlers after teaching himself the basic math of complex numbers in a 
> few days, and put together a stack that created black-and-white images.
>
> With the view that a fitting tribute to Bill's memory would be a Rev 
> project, I expanded his stack to create color images, moved the 
> controls into a palette, and stored the calculated dwell values in a 
> customprop so that colorization could be adjusted without 
> recalculation, which speeds things up considerably especially for high 
> iteration parameters. The colorization scheme is mine but many other 
> algorithms are possible.
>
> Bill's contributions to RunRev will long be with us. His brief foray 
> into fractals was a tiny sideline, but when you use this stack you can 
> remember him.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 05:32:55 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:32:55 +0000
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6BA4A02-DE15-4885-A101-4514594DF010@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001181645m2bd52d3ah736b808f5751bfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB8F180D-ED5A-4EBC-870A-7BD13A51495B@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

If the year isn't LISTed then assume the current year. You can also  
parse for ':' and any that don't have it have the year...

Other than that, the LIST command should take a filename ('LIST  
filename') and return full information, so you could parse the return  
from LIST and then pump through the filenames (those that have a ':').

Cheers,

Luis.


On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:45, stephen barncard wrote:

> Thanks...this sort of works.....  the example needs to use the URL  
> keyword
> though
>
> put URL ("ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/") into theListOfFiles
>
> this does list ok, similar listing to the HTTP method, however the  
> dates in
> the listing are not consistent.
>
> drwxr-x---   21 sbarncar 99           4096 Dec 31 03:03 .
>
> drwx--x--x   15 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jan 15 01:51 ..
>
> -rw-r--r--    1 sbarncar sbarncar        0 Dec 30 12:06 .htaccess
>
> drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jul 11  2009 .smileys
>
> drwxr-xr-x   12 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Jun 20  2009 barncard
>
> drwxr-xr-x    2 sbarncar sbarncar     4096 Dec 22 03:35 blasters
>
>
> Some directories have the year, and some just have the month and  
> day. Is
> this just the way it is? The year is just not important?
>
> I wonder how Transmit and other FTP clients get this date info  
> correctly?
>
> sqb
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/18 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>
>
>> generally, you can go to ftp directories, and get a rev-like listing:
>>
>> put "ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/" into theListOfFiles
>>
>> if you know that and still want to use the list command yourself,  
>> then i
>> suggest to use shell, because rev doesn't open the data connection  
>> for you,
>> and it seems you need that for file listings. (ftp has a data and  
>> a command
>> port, and some servers need you to use both, this can be  
>> controlled by
>> active and passive mode (via liburlsetftpmode), but for what  
>> you're trying
>> that's not much help anyway). Seriously, i've looked into this  
>> once, and am
>> now glad to know that I never will need to implement it myself,  
>> thus i
>> suggest again:
>>
>> put "ftp://user:pass at host.com/directory/" into theListOfFiles
>>
>> finally, note that setting the liburlftplistcommand is useless if  
>> you use
>> liburlftpcommand to get listings of files "by hand"(basically
>> liburlftpcommand is more of an internal handler, and using it  
>> forfaits a few
>> build in things).
>>
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:37, stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory  
>>> listing using
>>> the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a  
>>> directory
>> and
>>> it really is incomplete (like year information).
>>>
>>> Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON- 
>>> REV ftp
>>> setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
>>> http://pureftpd.org/"
>>>
>>> HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
>>> LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
>>> PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
>>> SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the  
>>> other
>> FTP
>>> commands, especially LIST?
>>>
>>> here's the simple code:
>>>
>>>
>>> on mouseup
>>>
>>>      get returnAffectedFieldName()
>>>
>>>      put it into tObject
>>>
>>>      put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine
>>>
>>>      libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"
>>>
>>>      get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)
>>>
>>>      put it into fld tObject
>>>
>>> end mouseup
>>>
>>>
>>> We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help,
>> please,
>>> Dave Cragg.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco
>>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 05:37:42 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:37:42 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <09E04F44-5A41-457F-ADF4-F289DCDC7CDC@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
	<09E04F44-5A41-457F-ADF4-F289DCDC7CDC@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <79D57F84-C871-4669-ABBA-F4CD5A391033@yahoo.com>

OK, it has been said that I would chime in at some point, and so here  
it is.

I use UDP for several networking configurations, now and in the past.
The computers in one configuration were located in Las Vegas, New  
York, London, and Vancouver BC.
Another configuration is mostly West Coast USA.

I have seen virtually no packet loss or corruption using Rev stacks  
and apps that I have written over the last 4 years.  The apps run  
cross platform, on the same and different networks.  I am always  
sending data files that have to be accurate.

The reason for this reliability... I crafted ACK loops, resend logic,  
socket management,  plus multi-part data packet routines.
This means that each packet is acknowledged and resent until success,  
then the next packet is sent.  This way all packets arrive in the same  
sequence as the originating data source. Using UDP is so fast that I  
rarely detect transmission failures ( I write log files ) and that is  
usually do to ISP or internet down times.

UDP is so fast that using the ACK loops is still many times faster  
than TCP.

I also have designed code loops that recover from any socket errors  
that would stop operation, thus avoiding manually requesting that the  
operating system reset sockets.

Another essential routine that is called at the end of all socket  
operations is "killOpenSockets" to reduce the number of open sockets  
to less than 20.  The reason this is important is that sockets are  
controlled by the operating system, such as Win XP.  There are lots of  
high-numbered sockets (eg. 34221, 56449) that are opened simply by  
using UDP or TCP.  If more than 50 are left open the operating system  
does sockets more and more slowly, making it almost impossible to keep  
repeat loops from becoming infinite.

One last bit of caution needs to be taken. You need to measure the  
limitations of the networking equipment and computers.  Routing  
traffic means that you need to measure the maximum packet size that  
will flow through the network, then subtract about 20% for reliability  
insurance.  Now you send packets at or below that maximum, using multi- 
part packet sizing if necessary.  I have found that 8K-20% (yes, very  
small) works for me.

Vonage and Skype don't need to resend packets except for the voice and  
audio, but do for the user data, etc.

Hope this helps someone.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 05:44:27 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:44:27 +0000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <79D57F84-C871-4669-ABBA-F4CD5A391033@yahoo.com>
References: <edcc7e6b1001070212r264e82a2l8371b4b7f1ee6e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77A22F8.2568%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<e5e009d71001181213u8516bdfq25a89b6a075ea577@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181218m6605c84co69432fb170819008@mail.gmail.com>
	<09E04F44-5A41-457F-ADF4-F289DCDC7CDC@anachreon.co.uk>
	<79D57F84-C871-4669-ABBA-F4CD5A391033@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001190244y7824b9aaq23e8e8517d1c748@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim.  Very interesting reading.

Bernard

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> OK, it has been said that I would chime in at some point, and so here it is.


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 05:48:36 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:48:36 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001181607q5d6b1b70sb9e3ea458338813c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001181559q46e98ab2ra2b6f913e72f2a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001181607q5d6b1b70sb9e3ea458338813c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10D999FD-85D2-4FE2-A3FA-FE9DF6DA5CB1@yahoo.com>

Another reason for using Rev CGI for the OnRev server.  I am using both.
The irev scripting is nice, but it is in beta, so changes are sure to  
be made.

With CGI, you can install an engine (eg. Linux 3.5) and use that one  
forever, thus no shifting conditions.
Andre's auto-installer works great.

I also believe that all the  $_SERVER variables are available  
including custom HTTP headers that a web page programmer or Rev  
programmer might want to use for security or special conditions.

Of course, I also like custom properties and arrays, so uploading a  
stack that contains all the parameters in props is good for me.  Very  
fast and reliable.

Hope this helps this thread.
I wonder about the  $_SERVER variables differences.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 18, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> AAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!
>
> okay, it is down to this... browsers send the date header to the  
> server, it
> is mandatory but the date header is not being passed to the $_SERVER
> variable, which means they are not passing all the headers as they  
> should.
>
> they are just passing some of the http headers, they should simply  
> loop all
> sent headers and pass them to the $_SERVER variable.
>
> Damn!!! When I checked, I used firebug to see what my browser is  
> sending,
> and the date header is there as expected, it is just not being  
> parsed by the
> revserver engine.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com 
> >wrote:
>
>>> As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the
>> variable
>>> $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser
>> perspective.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> I can't get $_SERVER["Date"] to return anything, although that would
>> be really useful.
>>
>> I have a test page that lists all the elements of the $_SERVER array
>> that it can find:
>> <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/test.irev>
>> but it doesn't include a DATE entry.
>>
>> I would imagine that since On-Rev is server-side scripting, it would
>> have no way of getting the time & date from the calling browser. I
>> would expect that this would need to use JavaScript (client-side
>> scripting) which interacts more directly with the browser.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah






From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 06:13:11 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:13:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <4B54AF38.7080806@gmail.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
	<100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>
	<7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B54AF38.7080806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263899591050-1017447.post@n4.nabble.com>


"My main 'grunt' about RunRev on Linux has nothing to do with RunRev at
all: it is virtually impossible to install your own fonts in a place that
RunRev
will recognise them."

That too.  Also virtual desktops don't work, revBrowser not available,
revPrintField doesn't work, no player for Linux, lots of the functionality
seems to be increasingly provided by add-ins from the group which work only
on Windows or Mac.  As for instance tRev.  Which is understandable, and
their choice, but in that case the core team needs to offer some way of
getting to feature parity if not identity - like, for instance, Geany or
Gedit plugins, or even Eclipse plugins.

The problem is, if doing it at all, it should be done right.  Otherwise you
get the worst of all possible worlds.  I'm not a professional Linux
developer, but if I were, would have moved to (or never left) Python. 
Python has many different disadvantages, but using Python on Linux you are
an equal citizen in a less desirable country, rather than being a second
class citizen in a more desirable one.  So the result of the present
situation if continued is that Rev ends up with the amateurs, like us,
because we are less demanding, we like the people and the environment, and
are prepared to compensate for its lacks by writing shell scripts in antique
languages.  Like, I do my reporting in Awk, and the users put up with
something that looks like it came out of 1995.  The info is there, but its a
bit antique, but its fine for us.  It would not be if I were making a full
time living from it.

What Rev needs to do is get Linux up to full parity.  Its the last 15% that
needs doing.  It can't make any sense to restrict the market to people like
us, but that's the effect of what's happening.  Till its done this, all
other platforms have to go.  The price of a few things well is refusing to
do a lot badly.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Rev-on-kde-tp1013369p1017447.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 07:13:25 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:13:25 +0000
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <1263899591050-1017447.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
	<100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>
	<7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B54AF38.7080806@gmail.com>
	<1263899591050-1017447.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001190413x36a264f0wd9d7df5fd269a7ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades
<palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> That too. ?Also virtual desktops don't work, revBrowser not available,
> revPrintField doesn't work, no player for Linux, lots of the functionality
> seems to be increasingly provided by add-ins from the group which work only
> on Windows or Mac. ?As for instance tRev.

I know you are not singling out tRev, but just using it as an example.
 But maybe the third parties who are restricting themselves to
supporting Windows/OS X are doing this precisely because there are so
many problems with Rev on Linux.  I have an overwhelming desire to use
Linux as my desktop, and have been amazed by the high quality of
modern day Linux when I've used it as a desktop in the last 18 months.
 I've sometimes gone for months on end using nothing but Linux.  And
the only reason I've been able to do that is because those were months
when I didn't use Rev.  As soon as I need to use Rev, I've struggled
with it on Linux for days, then given up and gone back to using Rev on
Windows or OS X.

> What Rev needs to do is get Linux up to full parity. ?Its the last 15% that
> needs doing. ?It can't make any sense to restrict the market to people like
> us, but that's the effect of what's happening. ?Till its done this, all
> other platforms have to go.

I agree entirely.  It is amazing that a product that claims to work
cross-platform should have major features missing in the final third
platform.  There is NO reason why RunRev cannot provide revBrowser on
Linux.  Even if a Linux distro did not have Firefox set as the default
browser, it is only a click away in a repository.

I deliberately decided not to buy the megabundle in the recent offer,
because I'm so cheesed off by the quality of Rev on Linux.  After
(literally) buying into Rev for years on the prospect that they would
one day offer a suite of tools for Linux application development that
matched what they provided on Windows/OS X, I decided that they will
not get any more money from me until I see them take Linux seriously.


Bernard


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 07:37:36 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:37:36 +0200
Subject: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?
In-Reply-To: <4B54C41F.3050807@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B54C41F.3050807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B55A790.5080309@gmail.com>

Those of you with suicidal tendencies, an urge to hose your system, or 
take a walk on the
wild side are invited to download this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/BUILDER.zip

I have 'pinched' the Metacard Standalone Builder and a lot of associated 
substacks and rolled them up
into a REV stack: pop it in your plug-in folder or use as a 
free-standing stack (download some Metacard
engines) and try to build a BSD or HP9K700 standalones.

May prove more trouble than it's worth!

Love, Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 07:41:51 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:41:51 +0200
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001190413x36a264f0wd9d7df5fd269a7ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>	<4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>	<100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>	<7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>	<4B54AF38.7080806@gmail.com>	<1263899591050-1017447.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001190413x36a264f0wd9d7df5fd269a7ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B55A88F.3070500@gmail.com>

On 19/01/2010 14:13, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades
> <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
>    
>> That too.  Also virtual desktops don't work, revBrowser not available,
>> revPrintField doesn't work, no player for Linux, lots of the functionality
>> seems to be increasingly provided by add-ins from the group which work only
>> on Windows or Mac.  As for instance tRev.
>>      
> I know you are not singling out tRev, but just using it as an example.
>   But maybe the third parties who are restricting themselves to
> supporting Windows/OS X are doing this precisely because there are so
> many problems with Rev on Linux.  I have an overwhelming desire to use
> Linux as my desktop, and have been amazed by the high quality of
> modern day Linux when I've used it as a desktop in the last 18 months.
>   I've sometimes gone for months on end using nothing but Linux.  And
> the only reason I've been able to do that is because those were months
> when I didn't use Rev.

Yes, indeed. And, as far as I'm concerned, when my last Mac PPC goes pop 
I shall certainly not
be investing in an INTEL Mac - why should I when I can bung lovely Linux 
on a comparatively cheap
computer. The only thing that would stop me is RunRev.

> As soon as I need to use Rev, I've struggled
> with it on Linux for days, then given up and gone back to using Rev on
> Windows or OS X.
>
>    
>> What Rev needs to do is get Linux up to full parity.  Its the last 15% that
>> needs doing.  It can't make any sense to restrict the market to people like
>> us, but that's the effect of what's happening.  Till its done this, all
>> other platforms have to go.
>>      
> I agree entirely.  It is amazing that a product that claims to work
> cross-platform should have major features missing in the final third
> platform.  There is NO reason why RunRev cannot provide revBrowser on
> Linux.  Even if a Linux distro did not have Firefox set as the default
> browser, it is only a click away in a repository.
>
> I deliberately decided not to buy the megabundle in the recent offer,
> because I'm so cheesed off

Wow, I'm so glad somebody else uses that phrase too . . .  :)

> by the quality of Rev on Linux.  After
> (literally) buying into Rev for years on the prospect that they would
> one day offer a suite of tools for Linux application development that
> matched what they provided on Windows/OS X, I decided that they will
> not get any more money from me until I see them take Linux seriously.
>
>
> Bernard
> _______________________________________________
>    

Hey, all you "closet Linux users" it is time to OUT yourselves and start 
making noises
at RunRev!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 19 08:00:59 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:00:59 -0200
Subject: [BUG] RevBrowser fails to render from htmltext property if no
	url was loaded before.
In-Reply-To: <969017.20450.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001181123p4b59dc58jdbef0b90021a1493@mail.gmail.com> 
	<969017.20450.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001190500y13826dc5h1b165b7d355af010@mail.gmail.com>

Jan,

I just woke up and saw this email, I already won my day! Thanks for the tip,
this is going to save me!

Cheers
andre

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The ea?siest workaround is to first open a blank page; so on opening the
> revBrowser instance, I set the initial URL to "about:blank" and that seems
> to do the trick.
> Maybe this should be the default URL for new revBrowser instances - either
> that or they should make it very clear in the docs that a valid URL is
> required :-)
>
> HTH,
>
> Jan Schenkel
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you create a revbrowser object on
> > windows xp and didn't set it to go to
> > any url (pass empty in revbrowseropen) and then tries to
> > set the content by
> > setting the htmltext property of the revbrowserinstance, it
> > will fail to set
> > and will not render.
> >
> > If you set the url property to some url and then after
> > rendering, you set
> > the htmltext property, it will work.
> >
> > It appears that revbrowser will not instantiate on windows
> > if it is not told
> > to load a url.
> >
> > bz#8549
> >
> > http://quality..runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8549
> >
> > This is a blocker to anyone trying to use RevBrowser to
> > render custom media
> > players or displays. For example, I use it to play youtube
> > videos but not
> > youtube home page, I assemble a htmltext using merge and
> > set it, this is
> > elegant for the temporary page never touches the disk but
> > it is not working
> > on windows, on the mac it works great. I also use it to
> > play audio and video
> > files using JW FLV player which works quite well on macs
> > but on windows is
> > failing.
> >
> > If I set the revbrowser to some other url and then try to
> > set it to my
> > htmltext, then it works ok.. I believe the activeX or
> > whichever thing is used
> > to load the browser component on windows fails to
> > initialize if not pointed
> > to an url.
> >
> > Cheers and votes welcome.
> >
> > Andre
> >
>
>
>
>
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 08:59:48 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:59:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001181607q5d6b1b70sb9e3ea458338813c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <225888.60182.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I took a look at what server variables PHP uses and found that IREV is not as impoverished as some assume. One difference is that PHP has the server variable _SERVER["REQUEST_TIME"] and IREV doesn't. Everything else that one might need looks about the same.

Here's the php file that pumps out the info:

<HTML>
<?php
print phpinfo();
?>
</HTML>

If you scroll down you will see the server variables. You will find

_SERVER["REQUEST_TIME"]

>From the PHP docs this variable is defined as:

The timestamp of the start of the request. Available since PHP 5.1.0. 

Does the "start of the request" begin when the browser sends off the packets, or does it begin when the server receives the packets?

I assume it is when the server receives them. In other words, when does start begin?


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> Subject: Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:07 PM
> AAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!
> 
> okay, it is down to this... browsers send the date header
> to the server, it
> is mandatory but the date header is not being passed to the
> $_SERVER
> variable, which means they are not passing all the headers
> as they should.
> 
> they are just passing some of the http headers, they should
> simply loop all
> sent headers and pass them to the $_SERVER variable.
> 
> Damn!!! When I checked, I used firebug to see what my
> browser is sending,
> and the date header is there as expected, it is just not
> being parsed by the
> revserver engine.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > > As for getting the clients time using RevServer
> files check out the
> > variable
> > > $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp
> from the browser
> > perspective.
> > > Hope this helps.
> >
> > I can't get $_SERVER["Date"] to return anything,
> although that would
> > be really useful.
> >
> > I have a test page that lists all the elements of the
> $_SERVER array
> > that it can find:
> > <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/test.irev>
> > but it doesn't include a DATE entry.
> >
> > I would imagine that since On-Rev is server-side
> scripting, it would
> > have no way of getting the time & date from the
> calling browser. I
> > would expect that this would need to use JavaScript
> (client-side
> > scripting) which interacts more directly with the
> browser.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sarah
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
> manage your
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> >
> 
> 
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Tue Jan 19 09:29:26 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:29:26 +0900
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Thanks for clearing up the .irev/revlet confusion in my head.

I've read through the thread a couple times... and it seems you 
CANNOT get the user/browser's date and time through RevServer 
scripts. Correct?

Anyone have a javascript snippet they like to use to get the 
user's date and time? thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> .irev files are not revlets. revlets are the plugin based files to be run in
> a browser thru the plugin, they have the .revlet sufix. irev files are text
> file scripts to be run by the RevServer engine. This is just so that you
> don't mix them two when you search the archives or documentation, for it
> would yield bad search results
> 
> As for getting the clients time using RevServer files check out the variable
> $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the browser perspective.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> 2010/1/18 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've found some ways using javascript, but does anyone know if
>> on-rev revlets (.irev files) have a way of getting the user's
>> date and time from their browser/PC?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
> 
> 
> 


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Jan 19 09:46:29 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:46:29 +0100
Subject: Bug?: SPACES in RevBrowser, platform differences!
Message-ID: <4458B54C-1CAD-4FA6-88DB-2EB57F8E7A57@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

I use a RevBrowser object to display SWF files.
Before I set the RevBrwoser URL to the filepath, I usually replace SPACE with "%20"
Works fine on a Mac!

On windows (XP and greater) i end with "%2520" instead of "%20" in the url.
This is obviously "normal" (HA! :-) behaviour on windows as Google told me

So again I have to use:
...
if the platform <> "Win32" then 
   replace SPACEW with "%20" in tUrl
end if
...
when I shouldn't...

What dou you think?
"Bug" or "the joy of crossplatform development"?

I think the Browserobject should take care of this.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 09:58:13 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:58:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <10D999FD-85D2-4FE2-A3FA-FE9DF6DA5CB1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <248428.31389.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jim,

You've rekindled my interest in using the Revolution engine for cgi on the server. If you keep at it I might even upload a stack or two. 

From your informative post I glommed onto one statement:

"I wonder about the  $_SERVER variables differences."

I have wondered about that also, so I did a little experiment. The summary is that the differences are practically nil.

-----------------
IREV script
goes in public_html folder
-----------------
<HTML>
<?rev

repeat for each key k in $_SERVER
put k & "<br \>" & cr after v
end repeat
sort v
put v

?>
</HTML>

-----------------
Output:

DOCUMENT_ROOT
GATEWAY_INTERFACE
HTTP_ACCEPT
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  -- only in IREV
HTTP_CONNECTION
HTTP_HOST
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE
HTTP_USER_AGENT
PATH_INFO          -- called PATH in Rev engine output
PATH_TRANSLATED    -- only in IREV
QUERY_STRING
REMOTE_ADDR
REMOTE_PORT
REQUEST_METHOD
REQUEST_URI
SCRIPT_FILENAME
SCRIPT_NAME
SERVER_ADDR
SERVER_ADMIN
SERVER_NAME
SERVER_PORT
SERVER_PROTOCOL
SERVER_SIGNATURE
SERVER_SOFTWARE

-----------------
REVOLUTION engine
-- script goes in cgi-bin directory
-----------------
#!revolution -ui

on startup

put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr

put the globals into v
replace comma with return in v
replace "$" with empty in v
sort v
put v

end startup
------------------
OUTPUT:
-- I took off the "$"s 



#                     -- not server variable
0                     -- not server variable
DOCUMENT_ROOT
GATEWAY_INTERFACE
HTTP_ACCEPT
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
HTTP_CONNECTION
HTTP_HOST
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE
HTTP_USER_AGENT
msg                    -- not server variable
PATH                   -- called PATH_INFO by IREV
QUERY_STRING
REMOTE_ADDR
REMOTE_PORT
REQUEST_METHOD
REQUEST_URI
SCRIPT_FILENAME
SCRIPT_NAME
SERVER_ADDR
SERVER_ADMIN
SERVER_NAME
SERVER_PORT
SERVER_PROTOCOL
SERVER_SIGNATURE
SERVER_SOFTWARE





--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 4:48 AM
> Another reason for using Rev CGI for
> the OnRev server.? I am using both.
> The irev scripting is nice, but it is in beta, so changes
> are sure to be made.
> 
> With CGI, you can install an engine (eg. Linux 3.5) and use
> that one forever, thus no shifting conditions.
> Andre's auto-installer works great.
> 
> I also believe that all the? $_SERVER variables are
> available including custom HTTP headers that a web page
> programmer or Rev programmer might want to use for security
> or special conditions.
> 
> Of course, I also like custom properties and arrays, so
> uploading a stack that contains all the parameters in props
> is good for me.? Very fast and reliable.
> 
> Hope this helps this thread.
> I wonder about the? $_SERVER variables differences.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> > AAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!
> > 
> > okay, it is down to this... browsers send the date
> header to the server, it
> > is mandatory but the date header is not being passed
> to the $_SERVER
> > variable, which means they are not passing all the
> headers as they should.
> > 
> > they are just passing some of the http headers, they
> should simply loop all
> > sent headers and pass them to the $_SERVER variable.
> > 
> > Damn!!! When I checked, I used firebug to see what my
> browser is sending,
> > and the date header is there as expected, it is just
> not being parsed by the
> > revserver engine.
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:
> > 
> >>> As for getting the clients time using
> RevServer files check out the
> >> variable
> >>> $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp
> from the browser
> >> perspective.
> >>> Hope this helps.
> >> 
> >> I can't get $_SERVER["Date"] to return anything,
> although that would
> >> be really useful.
> >> 
> >> I have a test page that lists all the elements of
> the $_SERVER array
> >> that it can find:
> >> <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/test.irev>
> >> but it doesn't include a DATE entry.
> >> 
> >> I would imagine that since On-Rev is server-side
> scripting, it would
> >> have no way of getting the time & date from
> the calling browser. I
> >> would expect that this would need to use
> JavaScript (client-side
> >> scripting) which interacts more directly with the
> browser.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Sarah
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 10:16:46 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:16:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <938555.53602.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Tim,

Let's say Mary is in front of her computer in Tokyo. Do you want her to be able to see her local date/time appear on the web page in front of her? Or do you want that web page to send the Tokyo date/time back to the server in Houston so it can be logged there?

If you want to send the data back to Houston then you have two choices. Either she can click on a link in her page to send a POST request back to Houston, or it can be done sneakily with AJAX, behind the scenes. Both of those require Javascript. We can do some dumpster diving on the javascript websites and find something.



--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> From: Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
> Subject: Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 8:29 AM
> Thanks for clearing up the
> .irev/revlet confusion in my head.
> 
> I've read through the thread a couple times... and it seems
> you 
> CANNOT get the user/browser's date and time through
> RevServer 
> scripts. Correct?
> 
> Anyone have a javascript snippet they like to use to get
> the 
> user's date and time? thanks.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> Andre Garzia wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > .irev files are not revlets. revlets are the plugin
> based files to be run in
> > a browser thru the plugin, they have the .revlet
> sufix. irev files are text
> > file scripts to be run by the RevServer engine. This
> is just so that you
> > don't mix them two when you search the archives or
> documentation, for it
> > would yield bad search results
> > 
> > As for getting the clients time using RevServer files
> check out the variable
> > $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the
> browser perspective.
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > andre
> > 
> > 2010/1/18 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
> > 
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've found some ways using javascript, but does
> anyone know if
> >> on-rev revlets (.irev files) have a way of getting
> the user's
> >> date and time from their browser/PC?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
> and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 10:24:03 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <560034.95706.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm sure you don't want to do this for your current project, but what the hell I'll just mention it anyway.

On the server side you could have a database that figures out the location of the browser according to the IP number it sends you. Match the location against a table of times/dates around the world and you might be right some of the time.





--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> From: Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
> Subject: Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 8:29 AM
> Thanks for clearing up the
> .irev/revlet confusion in my head.
> 
> I've read through the thread a couple times... and it seems
> you 
> CANNOT get the user/browser's date and time through
> RevServer 
> scripts. Correct?
> 
> Anyone have a javascript snippet they like to use to get
> the 
> user's date and time? thanks.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> Andre Garzia wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > .irev files are not revlets. revlets are the plugin
> based files to be run in
> > a browser thru the plugin, they have the .revlet
> sufix. irev files are text
> > file scripts to be run by the RevServer engine. This
> is just so that you
> > don't mix them two when you search the archives or
> documentation, for it
> > would yield bad search results
> > 
> > As for getting the clients time using RevServer files
> check out the variable
> > $_SERVER["Date"], it will contain a timestamp from the
> browser perspective.
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > andre
> > 
> > 2010/1/18 Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
> > 
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've found some ways using javascript, but does
> anyone know if
> >> on-rev revlets (.irev files) have a way of getting
> the user's
> >> date and time from their browser/PC?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
> and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Jan 19 11:46:07 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:46:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: scrollable-like navigation of images in a group-object
In-Reply-To: <4B550C77.2000100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD5C8763-D956-40CB-A990-8CF9E4CD4C3A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1e91b2b71001181629v10f5b9c7v31d4bcac350a2888@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B550C77.2000100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1263919567527-1017730.post@n4.nabble.com>


Nicolas,
if you are using Rev 4.0 or greater you could use the graphics effects to
"hilite"

---------
-- code to set outerglow
on mouseUp
   put "normal" into tArray["blendmode"]
   put "218,41,24" into tArray["color"]
   put "gaussian" into tArray["filter"]
   put "255" into tArray["opacity"]
   put "255" into tArray["range"]
   put "8" into tArray["size"]
   put "255" into tArray["spread"]
   set the outerglow of image 1 to tArray
end mouseUp
--------------

--------------
-- code to remove outerglow
on mouseUp
   set the outerglow of image 1 to empty
end mouseUp
----------------

-----------------
-- code to get the outerglow parameters if changed by hand
on mouseUp
   put the outerglow of image 1 into temp
   combine temp using return and tab
   put temp into field 1
end mouseUp
-----------------

regards
Bernd
-- 
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 13:04:00 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001181406g58b4834cja2decb2ac55d8491@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<62BEFFFC-04DB-4003-BE06-FDABCFF124F3@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001180453v14f17946udfb489eaa9baae29@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6873CB0-E014-4F61-BA0F-C366ED501DA2@mac.com>
	<1e91b2b71001181406g58b4834cja2decb2ac55d8491@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001191004w22e3dea6p7ec4324496b5dcf9@mail.gmail.com>

Nicolas, some ISPs even provide a free permanent IP address on
domestic ADSL.  Of the top of my head, I can think of 2 large ISPs
that do that in the UK.  Wherever you are, it might just be a question
of finding an ISP like that.

Bernard

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> but Chatrev also runs from my LAN.
>
> Doesn't this require purchasing a permanent IP address from your ?ISP?


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 13:20:51 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev on kde
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001190413x36a264f0wd9d7df5fd269a7ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C773A500.2454%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
	<4B5497F3.7060402@fourthworld.com>
	<100263952328.20100118094823@ahsoftware.net>
	<7c87a2a11001180953i55b9503ao77c6fe2ad5d7670b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B54AF38.7080806@gmail.com>
	<1263899591050-1017447.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001190413x36a264f0wd9d7df5fd269a7ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263925251309-1017818.post@n4.nabble.com>


Yes, tRev is just an example, I fully understand that it may well not make
any business sense for it to come in a Linux flavor.  The point however
where this does become an issue for RunRev itself is when, after quite a few
of these entirely reasonable choices by the individuals concerned, the
package that you are getting starts to vary a lot in functionality from one
OS to the other.  And that is the main reason I didn't buy the great
megapack, which was indeed superb value were you on Windows, too many things
either of interest, but not for Linux, or for Linux, but not of interest. 

They definitely don't have to provide identical solutions.  But there does
need to be some thought about maintaining equivalence when not identity,
which is why in this example I suggested plugins for a couple of the
lightweight programming editors people use in Linux.  Kate would be another
possibility.  There should be an alternative programming editor, one of the
common Linux ones, to maintain parity.  As a forinstance.

I must say that Rev has always been very fair and pleasant to deal with, and
for what I use it for, its just fine.  I can work around the gaps and
omissions well enough.  And support from the community has always been
outstanding.  I was writing quite bluntly, but not in anger, rather in the
spirit in which one says to one's bright teenage son, look, you are all set
for a B.  Just stop sitting in front of the TV for a few weeks, and you will
get an A    Now, you say to him, its going off, now.

Obviously they have quite a bit on their minds right at the moment though
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From tereza at califex.com  Tue Jan 19 14:05:06 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:05:06 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
Message-ID: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>

I have this handler in a script:


function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
   set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
   set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
   modal "AskYesOrNo"	
   return the dialogData
end YesOrNo

The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.

In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?

(Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Jan 19 14:56:36 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:56:36 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
Message-ID: <709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>

Tereza,

modal stack "AskYesOrNo"

Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/tired-of-opening-the-same-stacks-over-and-ove

On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> I have this handler in a script:
>
>
> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>   set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>   set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>   modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>   return the dialogData
> end YesOrNo
>
> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it  
> displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no"  
> in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns  
> empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put"  
> statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in  
> the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in  
> the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the  
> dialog.
>
> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test  
> stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in  
> the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>
> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)
>
> t
>
>
> -- 
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>
>
>
>
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From tereza at califex.com  Tue Jan 19 15:22:26 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:22:26 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
Message-ID: <5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>


On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Tereza,
> 
> modal stack "AskYesOrNo"
> 
> Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?

The (mis)behavior is the same whether it's "modal stack"  or just "modal"


> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
>> I have this handler in a script:
>> 
>> 
>> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>  set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>  set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>  modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>>  return the dialogData
>> end YesOrNo
>> 
>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>> 
>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>> 
>> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Jan 19 15:26:03 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:26:03 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F24BC122-5ABE-4397-89E8-7DC21C1596C7@dvcreators.net>

Stephen,

You might find this post (and the demo stack) helpful:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-August/102401.html

Cheers

Josh

On Jan 18, 2010, at 3:37 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory listing using
> the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a directory and
> it really is incomplete (like year information).
> 
> Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON-REV ftp
> setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
> http://pureftpd.org/"
> 
> HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
> LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
> PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
> SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the other FTP
> commands, especially LIST?
> 
> here's the simple code:
> 
> 
> on mouseup
> 
>      get returnAffectedFieldName()
> 
>      put it into tObject
> 
>      put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine
> 
>      libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"
> 
>      get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)
> 
>      put it into fld tObject
> 
> end mouseup
> 
> 
> We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help, please,
> Dave Cragg.
> 
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Jan 19 15:28:10 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:28:10 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <F24BC122-5ABE-4397-89E8-7DC21C1596C7@dvcreators.net>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<F24BC122-5ABE-4397-89E8-7DC21C1596C7@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <2A61F0CC-1FF3-4772-8D6E-F046BD68AFEC@dvcreators.net>

Hehe, just noticed you responded to this back in 2007:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-August/102407.html


On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> Stephen,
> 
> You might find this post (and the demo stack) helpful:
> 
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-August/102401.html
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 3:37 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory listing using
>> the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a directory and
>> it really is incomplete (like year information).
>> 
>> Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON-REV ftp
>> setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
>> http://pureftpd.org/"
>> 
>> HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
>> LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
>> PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
>> SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the other FTP
>> commands, especially LIST?
>> 
>> here's the simple code:
>> 
>> 
>> on mouseup
>> 
>>     get returnAffectedFieldName()
>> 
>>     put it into tObject
>> 
>>     put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine
>> 
>>     libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"
>> 
>>     get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)
>> 
>>     put it into fld tObject
>> 
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> 
>> We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help, please,
>> Dave Cragg.
>> 
>> 
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Jan 19 15:28:35 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:28:35 -0800
Subject: [OT] fulltime Rev developer needed in LA
Message-ID: <60DF3F5A-B329-400B-8897-97A3B8ED17CF@dvcreators.net>

On-site, Los Feliz area in LA, open to anyone from expert to trainee. Please respond offlist to josh at dvcreators.net.

From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan 19 17:02:58 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:02:58 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>

Hi Tereza

I checked your handler in a stack "modaling" a substack "AskYesOrNo" with both RR 3.5 and 4, and both seem to work perfectly...
Do you have something else than filling fields with the custom properties and setting the dialogData in the scripts of "AskYesOrNo" ?

Jacques


Le 19 janv. 2010 ? 21:22, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :

> 
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
> 
>> Tereza,
>> 
>> modal stack "AskYesOrNo"
>> 
>> Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?
> 
> The (mis)behavior is the same whether it's "modal stack"  or just "modal"
> 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>> 
>>> I have this handler in a script:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>> set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>> set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>> modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>>> return the dialogData
>>> end YesOrNo
>>> 
>>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>>> 
>>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>>> 
>>> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)
> 
> -- 
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 19 17:21:41 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:21:41 -0800
Subject: FTP listing using "libURLftpCommand"
In-Reply-To: <2A61F0CC-1FF3-4772-8D6E-F046BD68AFEC@dvcreators.net>
References: <e5e009d71001181537r71bf0d57obd0a3057d04fc8aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<F24BC122-5ABE-4397-89E8-7DC21C1596C7@dvcreators.net>
	<2A61F0CC-1FF3-4772-8D6E-F046BD68AFEC@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001191421x7e091482x3384b241d9acbc77@mail.gmail.com>

Josh,

That *is* funny. It's probably in my sample stack library right now. But I
will re-download in case you've updated it.

thanks.

sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/19 Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net>

> Hehe, just noticed you responded to this back in 2007:
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-August/102407.html
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> >
> > You might find this post (and the demo stack) helpful:
> >
> > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-August/102401.html
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2010, at 3:37 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to use the LIST command and get a decent directory listing
> using
> >> the FTP library. Yes I know about parsing a HTML listing of a directory
> and
> >> it really is incomplete (like year information).
> >>
> >> Currently only some of the libURL ftp commands work with the ON-REV ftp
> >> setup, which  a piece of Open Source called "Pure-FTPd -
> >> http://pureftpd.org/"
> >>
> >> HELP    returns {   214 Pure-FTPd - http://pureftpd.org/   }
> >> LIST "/"     returns   {  425 No data connection   }
> >> PWD     returns  {   "/"    }
> >> SYST    returns  {   215 UNIX Type: L8  }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Has anyone used LIBURL successfully trying to gain control of the other
> FTP
> >> commands, especially LIST?
> >>
> >> here's the simple code:
> >>
> >>
> >> on mouseup
> >>
> >>     get returnAffectedFieldName()
> >>
> >>     put it into tObject
> >>
> >>     put "LIST"  into ftpCommandLine
> >>
> >>     libURLSetFTPListCommand "LIST"
> >>
> >>     get  libURLftpCommand(ftpCommandLine,kFTPAdr,kLogin,kPasw)
> >>
> >>     put it into fld tObject
> >>
> >> end mouseup
> >>
> >>
> >> We really need more examples in the docs.  Or is this broken? Help,
> please,
> >> Dave Cragg.
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------------------
> >> Stephen Barncard
> >> San Francisco
> >> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From tereza at califex.com  Tue Jan 19 17:37:02 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:37:02 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>
	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>


On Jan 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote:

> Hi Tereza
> 
> I checked your handler in a stack "modaling" a substack "AskYesOrNo" with both RR 3.5 and 4, and both seem to work perfectly...
> Do you have something else than filling fields with the custom properties and setting the dialogData in the scripts of "AskYesOrNo" ?
> 
> Jacques
> 

Thanks Jacques!

In preopenstack I move buttons around to suit the platform and default value, and I arrange to return the default value on returnkey. But I do nothing unusual. I've had to revert to using an answer dialog--which works--but I wish my own dialog would work! This is old code that worked for years that I revived for this project (I wanted my own look-and-feel). Convinces  me I really AM losing my grip!


t

> 
> Le 19 janv. 2010 ? 21:22, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>> 
>>> Tereza,
>>> 
>>> modal stack "AskYesOrNo"
>>> 
>>> Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?
>> 
>> The (mis)behavior is the same whether it's "modal stack"  or just "modal"
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have this handler in a script:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>>> set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>>> set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>>> modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>>>> return the dialogData
>>>> end YesOrNo
>>>> 
>>>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>>>> 
>>>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>>>> 
>>>> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tereza Snyder
>> Califex Software, Inc.
>> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
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> Department of Ecology and Evolution
> Biophore / Sorge
> University of Lausanne
> CH 1015 Lausanne
> please use my private address:
> 6 route de Burtigny
> CH-1269 Bassins
> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan 19 17:55:18 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:55:18 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>
	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
Message-ID: <24BB0693-6B8C-4104-A362-B1A8B9BBCE97@unil.ch>

Just an idea: could you have a returnkey message (or another closing message) pending from somewhere and caught there inadvertendly (nice word) ?

Jacques


Le 19 janv. 2010 ? 23:37, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :

> 
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tereza
>> 
>> I checked your handler in a stack "modaling" a substack "AskYesOrNo" with both RR 3.5 and 4, and both seem to work perfectly...
>> Do you have something else than filling fields with the custom properties and setting the dialogData in the scripts of "AskYesOrNo" ?
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
> 
> Thanks Jacques!
> 
> In preopenstack I move buttons around to suit the platform and default value, and I arrange to return the default value on returnkey. But I do nothing unusual. I've had to revert to using an answer dialog--which works--but I wish my own dialog would work! This is old code that worked for years that I revived for this project (I wanted my own look-and-feel). Convinces  me I really AM losing my grip!
> 
> 
> t
> 
>> 
>> Le 19 janv. 2010 ? 21:22, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tereza,
>>>> 
>>>> modal stack "AskYesOrNo"
>>>> 
>>>> Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?
>>> 
>>> The (mis)behavior is the same whether it's "modal stack"  or just "modal"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have this handler in a script:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>>>> set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>>>> set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>>>> modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>>>>> return the dialogData
>>>>> end YesOrNo
>>>>> 
>>>>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tereza Snyder
>>> Califex Software, Inc.
>>> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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>> Department of Ecology and Evolution
>> Biophore / Sorge
>> University of Lausanne
>> CH 1015 Lausanne
>> please use my private address:
>> 6 route de Burtigny
>> CH-1269 Bassins
>> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
>> mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
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Biophore / Sorge
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CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Jan 19 18:15:32 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:15:32 -0800
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>

Hi Tereza,

So you call YesOrNo() from preOpenStack? If so, I bet that's the 
problem. Hide your mainStack in preOpenStack, and call AskYesOrNo() in 
openStack (after the stack window has been drawn, even if invisible). 
And before calling AskYesOrNo() be sure the modal stack is visible.

This is a guess, but I think I did something like that when I had 
troubles with modal stacks in the past.

Phil Davis



On 1/19/10 2:37 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi Tereza
>>
>> I checked your handler in a stack "modaling" a substack "AskYesOrNo" with both RR 3.5 and 4, and both seem to work perfectly...
>> Do you have something else than filling fields with the custom properties and setting the dialogData in the scripts of "AskYesOrNo" ?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>      
> Thanks Jacques!
>
> In preopenstack I move buttons around to suit the platform and default value, and I arrange to return the default value on returnkey. But I do nothing unusual. I've had to revert to using an answer dialog--which works--but I wish my own dialog would work! This is old code that worked for years that I revived for this project (I wanted my own look-and-feel). Convinces  me I really AM losing my grip!
>
>
> t
>
>    
>> Le 19 janv. 2010 ? 21:22, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :
>>
>>      
>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Tereza,
>>>>
>>>> modal stack "AskYesOrNo"
>>>>
>>>> Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?
>>>>          
>>> The (mis)behavior is the same whether it's "modal stack"  or just "modal"
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> I have this handler in a script:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>>>> set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>>>> set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>>>> modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>>>>> return the dialogData
>>>>> end YesOrNo
>>>>>
>>>>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>>>>>
>>>>> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)
>>>>>            
>>> -- 
>>> Tereza Snyder
>>> Califex Software, Inc.
>>> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>        
>> ******************************************
>> Prof. Jacques Hausser
>> Department of Ecology and Evolution
>> Biophore / Sorge
>> University of Lausanne
>> CH 1015 Lausanne
>> please use my private address:
>> 6 route de Burtigny
>> CH-1269 Bassins
>> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
>> mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
>> E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
>> *******************************************
>>
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http://pdslabs.net



From contact at kipmedia.com  Tue Jan 19 18:34:18 2010
From: contact at kipmedia.com (chris livermore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:34:18 +1100
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
Message-ID: <22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>

Not so much a compatibility problem but a delivery issue. I used to  
churn out the cd-rom apps with video (which is similar to what you're  
describing), years ago, now my clients request web delivery.
I've found there's no such thing as 'plain ol dvd players'. Many PCs  
still don't have them, if they do they sometimes don't have the grunt  
to run them. Then you have Win Media player auto opening some movie  
files at times.

If you are going to play DVD movies (i think this is what you're  
suggesting) and have a separate rev app, then I'd say no-one will see  
your app. The movie will play and the app is forgotten. You need to  
run the movies from within the app, so you have one interface  
delivering all components. Even then many of my cd-rom and dvd  
products have made great coasters ;-)

Auto-boot: problematic. On a Mac a DVD movie will open in DVD Player,  
on a PC win media player usually open the dvd and people have  
problems. VLC is better on PCs but there are other options.
The rev app can autostart on a PC but you may have problems doing the  
same on a mac.

I've seen a few of these type of media around but, in my experience,  
if it's not simple it won't work.

hope this helps, lots more info on this topic

cheers

chris

On 19/01/2010, at 5:28 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Thanks all - seems unproblematic then? I'm a little worried that  
> I'll break
> compatibility with plain old DVD players. I'm a little intrigued by  
> this, as
> something doesn't stack up - which is why I assumed there would be a  
> problem
> doing this with DVD's.
>
> Where does this argument go wrong:
>
>   1. It is straight forward to author (Rev) apps, that sit on a DVD  
> in such
>   a way that the DVD plays normally on a DVD player and the app auto- 
> boots
>   when inserted into a PC / laptop.
>   2. The (Rev) app can offer additional interactivity / games /  
> features to
>   the plain DVD adding value to the DVD
>   3. Rev apps could offer cross-platform interactive video
>   4. There are quite a number of videos / documentaries that don't  
> take up
>   the full DVD disk space - leaving room for H264 encoded  
> interactive video
>   applications
>   5. Consumers would benefit from the additional features.  
> Publishers could
>   create apps that easkily build communities around the DVD.
>   6. There should be quite a few of these hybrid beasts out there...
>
> but there aren't? Which makes me think there is a compatibility  
> problem
> doing this?


From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jan 19 18:40:46 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:40:46 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <20100119180005.67BD648A437@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100119180005.67BD648A437@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <38B9BB08-69A4-40E0-A02B-5349BFA5E71D@derbrill.de>

Hi Tereza,

is your stacks visible false by chance? If you call a modal stack that is hidden (visible set to false by any script) it closes immediately.

does a sequence of

 show stack "yesOrNo" 
 modal stack "yesOrNo"

change anything?

All the best,

Malte

From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan 19 18:51:18 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:51:18 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>

Hi Phil and Tereza

I tried it, using "YesOrNo" from preOpenStack... it works fine ! The modal stack shows before the main stack, and returns the dialogData, and the main stacks appears and shows what was transmitted when you have clicked the button "Yes" or "No"...
Must be something else.

Jacques


Le 20 janv. 2010 ? 00:15, Phil Davis a ?crit :

> Hi Tereza,
> 
> So you call YesOrNo() from preOpenStack? If so, I bet that's the problem. Hide your mainStack in preOpenStack, and call AskYesOrNo() in openStack (after the stack window has been drawn, even if invisible). And before calling AskYesOrNo() be sure the modal stack is visible.
> 
> This is a guess, but I think I did something like that when I had troubles with modal stacks in the past.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/19/10 2:37 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Hi Tereza
>>> 
>>> I checked your handler in a stack "modaling" a substack "AskYesOrNo" with both RR 3.5 and 4, and both seem to work perfectly...
>>> Do you have something else than filling fields with the custom properties and setting the dialogData in the scripts of "AskYesOrNo" ?
>>> 
>>> Jacques
>>> 
>>>     
>> Thanks Jacques!
>> 
>> In preopenstack I move buttons around to suit the platform and default value, and I arrange to return the default value on returnkey. But I do nothing unusual. I've had to revert to using an answer dialog--which works--but I wish my own dialog would work! This is old code that worked for years that I revived for this project (I wanted my own look-and-feel). Convinces  me I really AM losing my grip!
>> 
>> 
>> t
>> 
>>   
>>> Le 19 janv. 2010 ? 21:22, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :
>>> 
>>>     
>>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> Tereza,
>>>>> 
>>>>> modal stack "AskYesOrNo"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't you have to put the word "stack" in there?
>>>>>         
>>>> The (mis)behavior is the same whether it's "modal stack"  or just "modal"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>         
>>>>>> I have this handler in a script:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>>>>> set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>>>>> set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>>>>> modal "AskYesOrNo"	
>>>>>> return the dialogData
>>>>>> end YesOrNo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Revolution 3.5, MacOS 10.6.2)
>>>>>>           
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tereza Snyder
>>>> Califex Software, Inc.
>>>> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>       
>>> ******************************************
>>> Prof. Jacques Hausser
>>> Department of Ecology and Evolution
>>> Biophore / Sorge
>>> University of Lausanne
>>> CH 1015 Lausanne
>>> please use my private address:
>>> 6 route de Burtigny
>>> CH-1269 Bassins
>>> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
>>> mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
>>> E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
>>> *******************************************
>>> 
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Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
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*******************************************



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 18:56:43 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:56:43 +0000
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/19 chris livermore <contact at kipmedia.com>

> Not so much a compatibility problem but a delivery issue. I used to churn
> out the cd-rom apps with video (which is similar to what you're describing),
> years ago, now my clients request web delivery.
>

Yes - I've made CD-ROM apps like this - and yes they were mainly "coasters"
:)


> I've found there's no such thing as 'plain ol dvd players'. Many PCs still
> don't have them, if they do they sometimes don't have the grunt to run them.
> Then you have Win Media player auto opening some movie files at times.
>
> If you are going to play DVD movies (i think this is what you're
> suggesting) and have a separate rev app, then I'd say no-one will see your
> app. The movie will play and the app is forgotten. You need to run the
> movies from within the app, so you have one interface delivering all
> components. Even then many of my cd-rom and dvd products have made great
> coasters ;-)
>

For this to work

   1. the DVD must work without any problems as a normal DVD in DVD rental
   and sales outlets without it not playing on some machines because it also
   has a Rev app on it.
   2. when played on a a good laptop or PC a motivated user should be able
   to launch the Rev app by reading the instructions on the DVD cover

Auto-boot: problematic. On a Mac a DVD movie will open in DVD Player, on a
> PC win media player usually open the dvd and people have problems. VLC is
> better on PCs but there are other options.
> The rev app can autostart on a PC but you may have problems doing the same
> on a mac.
>

Ideally it would auto-boot to the Rev app on a PC and not the DVD player -
though this seems like it would be a mess. So - I think it would be OK if
the DVD player launched and you would have to quit that before looking for
the Rev app on the DVD.


>
> I've seen a few of these type of media around but, in my experience, if
> it's not simple it won't work.
>

Tricky is OK - as it would be a competition / game with a prize. The main
thing is not to muck up the basic DVD functionality.


> hope this helps, lots more info on this topic
>

Yes - thanks. Any links / references would be useful. My main nightmare
would be to pitch this and get the client to print loads of DVD's which
would not play in some consumer DVD players.


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jan 19 19:44:38 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5651F6.1080307@tweedly.net>

Hi Nick. I've gone back to your original question. The "right" way to do 
this undoubtedly involves sockets, which in turn requires a private web 
server (or very permissive web hosting company), so isn't readily 
available to most of us.

But there is a way to do it using only simple ordinary Web server and 
client features. I've done it as a proof of concept using on-rev, but 
the server part of it is *so* simple I could probably do it in php if I 
had to.

Theory (simple web-based chat application)

Client

The client (which can be found at 
http://www.tweedly.org/async_web_chat_released.rev ) uses "load url" to 
request the latest update from the chat server. If it times out, it 
simply tries again :-0  If it receives data, it appends that data to the 
scrolling text window, and repeats forever (or until stopped).

The client can also "say" something to the server.

Server (is even more simple - see the text of the scripts below)

saysomething.irev
takes a single parameter (i.e.  tweedly.org/saysomething.irev?say=the 
text ) and appends this to a file (called, imaginatively, my.txt)

listen.irev
takes a single parameter (i.e. tweedly.org/listen.irev?lastline=23 )  
which is the last line of the file which that client has already 
received. It then checks if the file has grown longer - in which case it 
sends the additional lines to the client. Otherwise, it waits for 100 
msec, and then tries again.

Eventually, if there is no new data, the client will time out - then it 
does an "unload url" to cancel the request, and tries again.

The nice thing is you can test and debug this with a browser - try
  www.tweedly.org/listen.irev?lastline=1
  http://www.tweedly.org/saysomething.irev?say=ALEX:says%20this
  www.tweedly.org/listen.irev?lastline=1

saysomething.irev
> <?rev
>
> set the errormode to inline
>
> put $_GET["say"] into tSay
>
> open file "my.txt" for text append
> put  "open result = " & the result
> write tSay & CR to file "my.txt"
>
> put URL("file:my.txt") into t
> put the number of lines in t
> ?>
listen.irev
> <?rev
>
> put $_GET["lastline"] into tLast
>
>
> repeat with i = 1 to 100
>   put URL ("file:my.txt") into tData
>   if the number of lines in tData > tLast then
>     delete line 1 to tLast in tData
>     put tData
>     exit repeat
>   end if
>   wait for 100 millisec
>   put empty into tData
> end repeat
> if tData is empty then
>     put "no new data"
> end if
> ?>
NOTE - I do not recommedn this if you intend to scle in any way, but for 
small number of users, with small data rates this should be just fine.

-- Alex.


Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> Where in the Rev documentation (or sample stacks?) should I be looking to
> learn how to do the following?
>
> Given 6 identical standalones running of 6 computers all internet connected,
> I want an event X triggered on any one of those computers to be immediately
> relayed to the other 5 computers.
>
> An example of what I'm planning is a multiple-choice quiz. As soon as the
> contestant on computer A buzzes in, her choice should display immediately on
> the other contestants' computers B thru F.
>
> My guess is that to enable stacks to "wait", sockets will be involved.
>
> I'm also guessing that these are the three Rev elements (one local, two
> server-side) I'll nee for this multi-player multiple-choice quiz standalone:
>
> 1) the stack itself
>
> 2) a Rev cgi-script to co-ordinate the interaction between standalones
>
> 3) an SQL table to store or temporarily hold game-related variables
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 20:08:05 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:08:05 +0900
Subject: standalones interacting over the web
In-Reply-To: <4B5651F6.1080307@tweedly.net>
References: <1e91b2b71001171942x70a7ec5k6eba39b31d94991b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5651F6.1080307@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001191708s67003bdeq7a8b8a1bedf23bc1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Alex. Very confusing right now, but I'll archive your
suggestion for future study.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 20:09:37 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:09:37 +0900
Subject: scrollable-like navigation of images in a group-object
In-Reply-To: <1263919567527-1017730.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1e91b2b71001181611i79d633bcmf86c6e829f95c3bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD5C8763-D956-40CB-A990-8CF9E4CD4C3A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1e91b2b71001181629v10f5b9c7v31d4bcac350a2888@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B550C77.2000100@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1263919567527-1017730.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001191709m50c831ccj256530ec25d96de5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Bernd. That's a neat trick. In fact, I'll play around with
outerglow and see if instead of a solid border I can make something
more warm and fuzzy.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Jan 19 23:07:29 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:07:29 -0800
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
	<c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>

> Yes - thanks. Any links / references would be useful. My main nightmare
> would be to pitch this and get the client to print loads of DVD's which
> would not play in some consumer DVD players.


As long as a DVD has a properly authored formatted VIDEO_TS folder it will play on most any DVD player. You can put whatever else you want on the DVD - software, PDFs, whatever.

There are startup problems with computers as mentioned, where DVD players will auto-launch, making for a bad customer experience when putting a DVD into computers, which is why many companies don't pursue this, and most consumers don't put enhanced DVDs in their computers. A DVD goes in a DVD player, a DVD-ROM goes in a computer.

My personal opinion is that doing anything with a physical DVD in 2010 is kind of like starting a horse buggy company in 1900. Before too long, a physical DVD will seem as quaint as an audio CD is today.

From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 20 03:20:29 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:20:29 +0100
Subject: ON-Rev Docs (was Re: Getting user's time from web revlet?)
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001181022i79fe12feue9250bc14f430a81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1jcko8x.y9as2410s9pizM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> When is Revolution going to [snip]

+1

What about "The Missing Manual for On-Rev" ?

;-)




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 04:33:15 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:33:15 +0000
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
	<c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001200133x62e63633nd13b3330de0ee6c7@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/20 Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net>

> My personal opinion is that doing anything with a physical DVD in 2010 is
> kind of like starting a horse buggy company in 1900. Before too long, a
> physical DVD will seem as quaint as an audio CD is today
>

Yep - can I quote you on this :) I need as many facts, figures and quotes as
possible to convince these guys that their business model is dead.

Since the pitch is to a DVD distribution company, and is in essence a
strategy towards moving them from their existing distribution based model
onto a community model - the idea is to get people who purchase the DVD to
join the community / go online. Printing something on the cover is maybe all
that is needed - but embedding some hidden assets in the DVD may be part of
the fun here.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 20 05:42:10 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:10 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

I also had some troubles in the past with a script NOT halting while a modal stack was displayed.

...
## After downloading some files from the internet...
answer "Update complete! The app will be shut down..."
quit
...

I saw the "Answer dialog" flashing and the app quit, without leaving time to click the "OK" button!
NOTHING else involved that could have caused this anomaly!

Unfortunately this is not reproducable, but it happens, which makes it difficult to stay mentally sane :-D


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Wed Jan 20 06:11:33 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:11:33 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>
	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>

Hi Tereza

That explains nothing, but could perhaps be an ad hoc solution (since I cannot reproduce the problem, I cannot test it). Try to modify your script as follows:

function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
  set the dialogData to empty -- to be sure
  set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
  set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
  modal "AskYesOrNo"
  wait until the dialogData <> empty	
  return the dialogData
end YesOrNo

... I cross my fingers

Jacques

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From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 20 08:42:32 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:42:32 -0500
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001200133x62e63633nd13b3330de0ee6c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
	<c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b1001200133x62e63633nd13b3330de0ee6c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <511A7C0C-087A-45EE-B8B5-3A6F0FCCDDFF@verizon.net>

On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:33 AM, David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Printing something on the cover is maybe all
> that is needed - but embedding some hidden assets in the DVD may be  
> part of
> the fun here.


I hope that if a request came up on a Director email list, and the  
best answer to the request was for Rev to be used instead of Director,  
I would tell them to use Rev!

Here we have the opposite situation. One of Director's abilities us  
that it can control the DVD-Video in your computer. You can make an  
interactive activity that includes the DVD quality video from any DVD- 
Video disc, not just ones that have files copied onto the ROM part of  
the disc.

It also works in a browser. You could do a site that had bonus  
features even for old titles, and directly control the associated DVD. 


From tereza at califex.com  Wed Jan 20 08:50:21 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:50:21 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>
	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>
	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>

I originally reported:

>>>> The stack "AskYesOrNo" is intended to do what you'd expect: it displays the question with "yes" or "no" and returns "yes" or "no" in the dialog data. However, when I call this handler, it returns empty before it even displays the dialog. If I insert a "put" statement AFTER the "modal" statement, the putted text is visible in the message box while the dialog is on the screen, and statements in the caller of the YesOrNo function are executed before I exit the dialog.
>>>> 
>>>> In other words, "modal" seems broken. Before I start making test stacks, has anyone encountered this before? Could there be a bug in the dialog scripts that causes the dialog to fail silently?
>>> 

Jacques wrote:
> 
>> Do you have something else than filling fields with the custom properties and setting the dialogData in the scripts of "AskYesOrNo" ?

so I wrote:
> 
> 
> In preopenstack I move buttons around to suit the platform and default value, and I arrange to return the default value on returnkey. But I do nothing unusual. I've had to revert to using an answer dialog--which works--but I wish my own dialog would work! This is old code that worked for years that I revived for this project (I wanted my own look-and-feel). Convinces  me I really AM losing my grip!

Phil Davis wrote:

> So you call YesOrNo() from preOpenStack? If so, I bet that's the problem. Hide your mainStack in preOpenStack, and call AskYesOrNo() in openStack (after the stack window has been drawn, even if invisible). And before calling AskYesOrNo() be sure the modal stack is visible.

I didn't report clearly that the preopenstack handler in question is in the dialog. The YesOrNo() function is called in the course of normal business ("Are you sure you want to set xx to yy?").

Malte wrote:

> is your stacks visible false by chance? If you call a modal stack that is hidden (visible set to false by any script) it closes immediately.

The problem isn't that it closes immediately, but that execution continues past the modal statement even while the dialog is visible awaiting input. If I do this:

> modal "AskYesOrNo"
> put "back from dialog"

I can see "back from dialog" in the message box while the modal stack is still awaiting input.

Klaus contributed, about an app he wrote:

> I saw the "Answer dialog" flashing and the app quit, without leaving time to click the "OK" button!
> NOTHING else involved that could have caused this anomaly!
> 
> Unfortunately this is not reproducable, but it happens, which makes it difficult to stay mentally sane :-D

And I agree!



On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Jacques Hausser wrote:

> Hi Tereza
> 
> That explains nothing, but could perhaps be an ad hoc solution (since I cannot reproduce the problem, I cannot test it). Try to modify your script as follows:
> 
> function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>  set the dialogData to empty -- to be sure
>  set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>  set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>  modal "AskYesOrNo"
>  wait until the dialogData <> empty	
>  return the dialogData
> end YesOrNo
> 
> ... I cross my fingers


I will try this approach and see if it works, as I attempt to isolate the problem today. At least, using an answer dialog, I was able to release the standalone for testing yesterday.

Thanks to all for the input.

from crazyland,

tereza




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Jan 20 09:22:55 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:22:55 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>
	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>
	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>
	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>
	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>

On 20.01.10 at 07:50 -0600 Tereza Snyder apparently wrote:
>  > Hi Tereza
>>
>>  That explains nothing, but could perhaps be an ad hoc solution 
>>(since I cannot reproduce the problem, I cannot test it). Try to 
>>modify your script as follows:
>>
>>  function YesOrNo pQuestion, pDefaultAnswer
>>   set the dialogData to empty -- to be sure
>  >  set the Question of stack "AskYesOrNo"  to pQuestion
>>   set the DefaultAnswer of stack "AskYesOrNo" to pDefaultAnswer
>>   modal "AskYesOrNo"
>>   wait until the dialogData <> empty
>>   return the dialogData
>>  end YesOrNo
>>
>>  ... I cross my fingers
>
>
>I will try this approach and see if it works, as I attempt to 
>isolate the problem today. At least, using an answer dialog, I was 
>able to release the standalone for testing yesterday.
>
>Thanks to all for the input.
>
>from crazyland,
>
>tereza

Have you tried the alternative syntax

go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal

Robert


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 09:30:07 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:30:07 +0000
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <511A7C0C-087A-45EE-B8B5-3A6F0FCCDDFF@verizon.net>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
	<c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b1001200133x62e63633nd13b3330de0ee6c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<511A7C0C-087A-45EE-B8B5-3A6F0FCCDDFF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001200630s556328efy804f13a15cfed500@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Colin - that's the sort of thing I was thinking - but I'm not clear
what your are saying here with regard to Director? Is it that you have
already done this with Director - are there some plugins that can be used?

I would have thought that we could get Rev to Script both the PC and the OSX
built in DVD players, but also it should be possible to directly control DVD
play back with VLC or Mplayer scripted from Rev - and so a revWeb plugin?

2010/1/20 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>

> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:33 AM, David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Printing something on the cover is maybe all
>> that is needed - but embedding some hidden assets in the DVD may be part
>> of
>> the fun here.
>>
>
>
> I hope that if a request came up on a Director email list, and the best
> answer to the request was for Rev to be used instead of Director, I would
> tell them to use Rev!
>
> Here we have the opposite situation. One of Director's abilities us that it
> can control the DVD-Video in your computer. You can make an interactive
> activity that includes the DVD quality video from any DVD-Video disc, not
> just ones that have files copied onto the ROM part of the disc.
>
> It also works in a browser. You could do a site that had bonus features
> even for old titles, and directly control the associated
> DVD._______________________________________________
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From tereza at califex.com  Wed Jan 20 09:40:30 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:40:30 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>
	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>
	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>
	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>
	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>
	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>
	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>
	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>
	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>
	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>
	<p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> Have you tried the alternative syntax
> 
> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal


Yes. Same result. Poop.

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Jan 20 10:06:49 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:06:49 +0000
Subject: validate XML against schema
In-Reply-To: <07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>	<p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>
	<07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4B571C09.4040405@ekoinf.net>

how do you "usually" validate XML against schema in Rev? I know there is 
a function RevXMLValidateDTD, but it validates against DTD, not 
schema... Or should I convert my XML schemas to DTDs prior to validation?

Viktoras


From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Wed Jan 20 10:10:54 2010
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:10:54 +0000
Subject: Windows Registry setting - to install fonts
In-Reply-To: <W7853912830115321232478700@webmail23>
References: <W7853912830115321232478700@webmail23>
Message-ID: <637DCF62-3B64-4B45-B71F-18948A8B7CEF@clubtype.co.uk>

It seems I need to address the Windows Registry to install a font. And again to uninstall it.
To do this I would like to understand what components are required. I've narrowed it down to:

Root Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

Key: \Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts\

Name (arbitrary name to identify this font?): myFont_S180

Value (actual filename of the font, or should that be Menu Name [My Font] ?): MyFont.otf

Value Type: REG_SZ

Write Entry

Can anyone confirm these are the required components?
And what if I have multiple fonts?

Thanks,
Adrian

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 10:11:15 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:11:15 -0800
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
Message-ID: <4B571D13.4060306@fourthworld.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>> Have you tried the alternative syntax
>>
>> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal
>
>
> Yes. Same result. Poop.

Ah - you're missing a poop handler.  Just put this in your dialog stack:

on poop
   do "What I want you to do"
   pass poop
end poop

Passing poop is important, because otherwise it can clog the system and 
take up unnecessary resources.


But seriously, tedious as it is it may be time to try this the other way 
around:

First, see if you can replicate this in isolation.  That is, make a 
simple stack with nothing but a Cancel button so you can close it, and 
see if your modal command works there.

If it does, try adding in additional script from the stack that fails 
until this new one fails too.

If this simple dialog fails, then at least you know the problem is with 
a script elsewhere in your setup.

Alternatively, you can comment out everything in your existing stack and 
uncomment a few lines at a time until the error shows itself again.

It may also be useful to review and libraries, frontScripts, or 
backScripts which may be active to see if you have anything there which 
may be causing this.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From tereza at califex.com  Wed Jan 20 10:38:35 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:38:35 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <4B571D13.4060306@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B571D13.4060306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B2A72551-3406-4625-9725-B11641AA0B24@califex.com>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried the alternative syntax
>>> 
>>> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal
>> 
>> 
>> Yes. Same result. Poop.
> 
> Ah - you're missing a poop handler.  Just put this in your dialog stack:
> 
> on poop
>  do "What I want you to do"
>  pass poop
> end poop
> 
> Passing poop is important, because otherwise it can clog the system and take up unnecessary resources.

hahaha! 


> But seriously, tedious as it is it may be time to try this the other way around:
> 
> First, see if you can replicate this in isolation.  That is, make a simple stack with nothing but a Cancel button so you can close it, and see if your modal command works there.


OK . I made a test stack, copied the dialog stack, and made a few modifications for testing. Usually when I do this, the problem disappears. The error is obvious. I am humiliated. This time, the error persists! That doesn't mean it isn't humiliatingly obvious, though.

Who can be the first find the horrid, obvious, trivial error?

go url "http://www.califexsoftware.com/stacks/TestModal.rev"

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Jan 20 11:09:31 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:09:31 -0500
Subject: sneak peek
Message-ID: <2536F65F-574F-4F1E-9664-3F7D20021877@wehostmacs.com>

Thanks to Malte and Trevor I was able to get a few things working  
correctly in the external and want to share a sneak peek of a new  
feature - toolbar blob :-)

http://shaosean.tk/images/ssMacWindows5.png


-Sean


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 20 11:11:03 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:11:03 +0100
Subject: sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <2536F65F-574F-4F1E-9664-3F7D20021877@wehostmacs.com>
References: <2536F65F-574F-4F1E-9664-3F7D20021877@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <6B219B9F-65BD-4E17-9EE7-B7CC03157CB5@economy-x-talk.com>

*drool*

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Op 20 jan 2010, om 17:09 heeft Shao Sean het volgende geschreven:

> Thanks to Malte and Trevor I was able to get a few things working  
> correctly in the external and want to share a sneak peek of a new  
> feature - toolbar blob :-)
>
> http://shaosean.tk/images/ssMacWindows5.png
>
>
> -Sean




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:15:55 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:15:55 +0200
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>	<p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>
	<07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4B572C3B.6080507@gmail.com>

On 20/01/2010 16:40, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>    
>> Have you tried the alternative syntax
>>
>> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal
>>      
>
> Yes. Same result. Poop.
>
> t
>
>
>    
"modal stack "Custom Answer Dialog" "

straight from the documentation!!!!!!!

Love, Richmond.


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Jan 20 11:18:56 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:56 +0100
Subject: sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <2536F65F-574F-4F1E-9664-3F7D20021877@wehostmacs.com>
References: <2536F65F-574F-4F1E-9664-3F7D20021877@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <99052573-C971-4AA2-87E2-51C30E63EE4D@numericable.com>

Thank you
Ren?

Le 20 janv. 2010 ? 17:09, Shao Sean a ?crit :

> Thanks to Malte and Trevor I was able to get a few things working correctly in the external and want to share a sneak peek of a new feature - toolbar blob :-)
> 
> http://shaosean.tk/images/ssMacWindows5.png
> 
> 
> -Sean
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From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 20 11:35:33 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:35:33 -0500
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001200630s556328efy804f13a15cfed500@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
	<c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b1001200133x62e63633nd13b3330de0ee6c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<511A7C0C-087A-45EE-B8B5-3A6F0FCCDDFF@verizon.net>
	<c1c5836b1001200630s556328efy804f13a15cfed500@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7EBDB38-80D5-452B-B064-DAE861436B58@verizon.net>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:30 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Is it that you have
> already done this with Director - are there some plugins that can be used?


Yes, I made a Director file to access the Criterion version of This Is Spinal Tap (I programmed the CD-ROM version). It runs inside a browser using the standard Shockwave plugin, that about 60% of people have. Installed.

The neat part is that the video appears within the shockwave movie, it's not invoking VLC or some other way to overly another application. It just uses the systems default DVD player technology. Not sure if Rev could do a similar thing, at least inside browsers.

Having said all that, there was a shockwave update today, and it may have broken the DVD-Video ability! I'll ask the authorities.




From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Jan 20 11:39:42 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:39:42 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <20100120104226.5806D2882E3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100120104226.5806D2882E3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BE837702-1039-472B-88B5-3AFE3B2C4ACE@derbrill.de>

Hi T,

you set the visible of the stack to false on preOpenStack. Thus it closes immediately.

Cheers,

malte

From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Jan 20 11:41:34 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:41:34 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <20100120104226.5806D2882E3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100120104226.5806D2882E3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9F92CB36-59BE-458D-A75F-BEE59550BB72@derbrill.de>

Changes its mode I wanted to say.

Sorry for the confusion. Anyway, if I comment out the set the visible line the problem disappears.

Cheers,

Malte

From tereza at califex.com  Wed Jan 20 11:43:45 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:43:45 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <4B572C3B.6080507@gmail.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>	<p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>
	<07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
	<4B572C3B.6080507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA21FF46-BF07-47CD-BB46-EC52B8707B70@califex.com>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 20/01/2010 16:40, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Have you tried the alternative syntax
>>> 
>>> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal
>>>     
>> 
>> Yes. Same result. Poop.
>> 
>> t
>> 
>> 
>>   
> "modal stack "Custom Answer Dialog" "
> 
> straight from the documentation!!!!!!!


yesssss?. 

Look up "go" in the documentation. It's perfectly legitimate.


t




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 11:45:51 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:45:51 -0800
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
Message-ID: <4B57333F.1070603@fourthworld.com>

Malte wrote:
> you set the visible of the stack to false on preOpenStack. Thus it closes immediately.

Good catch.  Setting the decorations may also affect this, as it causes 
the window to be reinitialized.  Since the decorations is a persistent 
property this shouldn't normally need to be set more than once.

But oddly enough, the stack shows modal here as it is.  :\

--
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  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From tereza at califex.com  Wed Jan 20 11:47:28 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:47:28 -0600
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints? A winner!
In-Reply-To: <9F92CB36-59BE-458D-A75F-BEE59550BB72@derbrill.de>
References: <20100120104226.5806D2882E3@mail.runrev.com>
	<9F92CB36-59BE-458D-A75F-BEE59550BB72@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <B3B4E909-DC16-4235-AAB6-4C4ACB3C2F77@califex.com>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Changes its mode I wanted to say.
> 
> Sorry for the confusion. Anyway, if I comment out the set the visible line the problem disappears.
> 
> Cheers,


Excellent! And stupid of me, too.  You proposed this as a solution before and I dismissed it out of hand.

Thank you again!


t

From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 20 11:47:21 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:47:21 -0500
Subject: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
In-Reply-To: <B7EBDB38-80D5-452B-B064-DAE861436B58@verizon.net>
References: <48E0EDA0-A2CF-4544-97EC-3361D9011C55@kipmedia.com>
	<22F26B83-4962-43C5-858C-34716F9BAB85@kipmedia.com>
	<c1c5836b1001191556u4d442c9bx1d1705a85a9cb9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<515E3295-A802-44F7-A5FA-B8C2203D759B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b1001200133x62e63633nd13b3330de0ee6c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<511A7C0C-087A-45EE-B8B5-3A6F0FCCDDFF@verizon.net>
	<c1c5836b1001200630s556328efy804f13a15cfed500@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7EBDB38-80D5-452B-B064-DAE861436B58@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1654F2BB-870A-4B7B-B264-BA879707C78C@verizon.net>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Having said all that, there was a shockwave update today, and it may have broken the DVD-Video ability! I'll ask the authorities.

False alarm, I was looking at the wrong link. Here's my test, you can put in any DVD-Video and it might do something, but it would only do the right thing if you're using the Criterion This Is Spinal Tap DVD-Video:

http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/dcr/stdvd.html




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:47:47 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:47:47 +0200
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>	<p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>
	<07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4B5733B3.6030402@gmail.com>

On 20/01/2010 16:40, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>    
>> Have you tried the alternative syntax
>>
>> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal
>>      
>
> Yes. Same result. Poop.
>
> t
>
>
>    
modal stack "SUBB"

or

open stack "SUBB" as modal

HOWEVER, in both cases unless you
set the stack controls to no title bar
you will get a modal window with a drag-bar.

The modal stack will open centred over the main stack.

A chap called Oliver has written a warning (2009-10-12; don't understand 
how you read that date)
about this messing up the message path:

"Doing so will cause messages such as preOpenStack, openStack, 
preOpenCard and openCard to be sent to the dialog, and if these are not 
handled, they will be sent to the main application, causing it to 
execute code."

Personally I would go for something else, as it avoids these sort of 
complications.

I would set up a title-bar-less substack and make sure that it contained 
a script to centre it in
a preOpenCard script and another script so that when the end-user 
mouse-clicked outwith the
substack rect the substack would remain at the front.


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 11:50:40 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stack on Vacation in Hawaii?
In-Reply-To: <4B5651F6.1080307@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <165683.51574.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I went to download an interesting looking stack by Jim Bufalini, but got no satisfaction. 

Here's the link:

http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/267/Install-Rev-CGI--1-1

Might someone have the stack they can send me?

Thanks,

Mike







      


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:51:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:51:28 +0200
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <EA21FF46-BF07-47CD-BB46-EC52B8707B70@califex.com>
References: <E24BB7D7-8442-41AE-A734-A819F71C7A76@califex.com>	<709038C8-5CC6-43FF-86CB-42931101195B@me.com>	<5DADC2C7-AA39-4A2D-89F8-51884429076A@califex.com>	<4F25EA93-750F-4179-9428-63CA71B0458B@unil.ch>	<185057EF-5A8B-4623-9C22-9C36AD2BCF77@califex.com>	<4B563D14.3050001@pdslabs.net>	<5A9E37C8-E212-4745-A179-1438704CBF15@unil.ch>	<984AD5A0-163A-4C52-96F4-BFF400D85F47@major.on-rev.com>	<A9BF41CE-7A76-431B-84FE-2A8E292EE525@unil.ch>	<C84EEA6F-E318-4A53-BB87-A4B0CAFD6C35@califex.com>	<p06240802c77cc1c0dad8@[192.168.1.94]>	<07147442-3C5F-47A2-8E64-CCBA833A4B42@califex.com>	<4B572C3B.6080507@gmail.com>
	<EA21FF46-BF07-47CD-BB46-EC52B8707B70@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4B573490.9090806@gmail.com>

On 20/01/2010 18:43, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>    
>> On 20/01/2010 16:40, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>>      
>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Have you tried the alternative syntax
>>>>
>>>> go stack "AskYesOrNo" as modal
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Yes. Same result. Poop.
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> "modal stack "Custom Answer Dialog""
>>
>> straight from the documentation!!!!!!!
>>      
>
> yesssss?.
>
> Look up "go" in the documentation. It's perfectly legitimate.
>
>
> t
>
>
>    
I did, and "over here" on my PPC Mac I'm getting a modal window with GO
as well . . .

tell me what I am missing (joined this discussion rather late; chopping 
logs for the fire).


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 12:02:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:02:16 +0200
Subject: Fake dialog box
Message-ID: <4B573718.7050102@gmail.com>

Sometime last year I uploaded a stack called URLANSWER.rev to my 
previous website
that then hosed itself - being a clever chap I do not seem to have kept 
a back up;
I would be extremely grateful if somebody has downloaded it and they 
could send me a zipped
copy.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jan 20 12:05:28 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:05:28 +0000
Subject: constant in the docs
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000430003B55C@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

the built in dictionary and also the online dictionary shows the following last sentence

"Tip: To see a list of built-in constants, open the Documentation window, click Revolution Dictionary, and choose "Constants" from the menu at the top of the window"

Does anyone know, what Documentation windows and what menu i shall open? Is this an error in the docs?

Regards,

Matthias 




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 20 12:10:52 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:10:52 -0800
Subject: constant in the docs
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000430003B55C@192.168.168.3>
References: <DIIE.000000430003B55C@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001200910p64688468la3e35153fc51a11c@mail.gmail.com>

"Dictionary" in the toolbar ,   Language:Constants
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/20 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>

> Hi,
>
> the built in dictionary and also the online dictionary shows the following
> last sentence
>
> "Tip: To see a list of built-in constants, open the Documentation window,
> click Revolution Dictionary, and choose "Constants" from the menu at the top
> of the window"
>
> Does anyone know, what Documentation windows and what menu i shall open? Is
> this an error in the docs?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 20 12:14:33 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:14:33 +0100
Subject: constant in the docs
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000430003B55C@192.168.168.3>
References: <DIIE.000000430003B55C@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <108253F4-04CD-41A8-8EEF-09BA3262E5F2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Matthias,

Yes, that's old and obsolete.

Instead, open the dictionary. I have it disaply in column lay-out (see  
preferences). In the most left column, there is a list starting with  
All, followeed by Library, Object and Language. If you open the  
Language branch, you will see an item Constant. Click on it and you  
will see almost all of the constants that are available. I believe  
that a few constants are missing.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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Op 20 jan 2010, om 18:05 heeft runrev260805 at m-r-d.de het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi,
>
> the built in dictionary and also the online dictionary shows the  
> following last sentence
>
> "Tip: To see a list of built-in constants, open the Documentation  
> window, click Revolution Dictionary, and choose "Constants" from the  
> menu at the top of the window"
>
> Does anyone know, what Documentation windows and what menu i shall  
> open? Is this an error in the docs?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias



From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Wed Jan 20 12:24:48 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:24:48 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints? A winner!
In-Reply-To: <B3B4E909-DC16-4235-AAB6-4C4ACB3C2F77@califex.com>
References: <20100120104226.5806D2882E3@mail.runrev.com>
	<9F92CB36-59BE-458D-A75F-BEE59550BB72@derbrill.de>
	<B3B4E909-DC16-4235-AAB6-4C4ACB3C2F77@califex.com>
Message-ID: <CADA3099-0CD7-470B-8616-14DD5980022D@unil.ch>


Le 20 janv. 2010 ? 17:47, Tereza Snyder a ?crit :

> 
> Excellent! And stupid of me, too.  You proposed this as a solution before and I dismissed it out of hand.
> 


Very glad for you, and congratulations to Malte ! And Richard's advice about the decorations is quite judicious (as ever).

Jacques

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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jan 20 12:32:16 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:32:16 +0000
Subject: Re-2: constant in the docs
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000440003B55F@192.168.168.3>

Stephen,
Mark,

thanks. Sometimes i do not see the wood for the trees.

Regards,

Matthias




From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 12:44:23 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:44:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: constant in the docs
In-Reply-To: <108253F4-04CD-41A8-8EEF-09BA3262E5F2@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <705855.26398.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

using 4.0:

put the constantNames into fld 1

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Subject: Re: constant in the docs
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 11:14 AM
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Yes, that's old and obsolete.
> 
> Instead, open the dictionary. I have it disaply in column
> lay-out (see preferences). In the most left column, there is
> a list starting with All, followeed by Library, Object and
> Language. If you open the Language branch, you will see an
> item Constant. Click on it and you will see almost all of
> the constants that are available. I believe that a few
> constants are missing.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> 
> TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game
> at http://www.twistaword.net and support the earthquake
> victims.
> 
> Op 20 jan 2010, om 18:05 heeft runrev260805 at m-r-d.de
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > the built in dictionary and also the online dictionary
> shows the following last sentence
> > 
> > "Tip: To see a list of built-in constants, open the
> Documentation window, click Revolution Dictionary, and
> choose "Constants" from the menu at the top of the window"
> > 
> > Does anyone know, what Documentation windows and what
> menu i shall open? Is this an error in the docs?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Matthias
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 20 13:01:40 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:01:40 -0800
Subject: Re-2: constant in the docs
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000440003B55F@192.168.168.3>
References: <DIIE.000000440003B55F@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001201001u35568da4jc24aebddd8a1752@mail.gmail.com>

I miss stuff all the time.
you are not alone
-------------------------
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San Francisco
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2010/1/20 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>

> Stephen,
> Mark,
>
> thanks. Sometimes i do not see the wood for the trees.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
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From rabit at dimensionB.de  Wed Jan 20 14:07:14 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:07:14 +0100
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.1b
Message-ID: <A0898522-FC07-485C-A464-06AAB0092AE4@dimensionB.de>


revIgniter v1.1b has been released. What's new?

This version (1.1b) includes a new library, which lets you generate
calendars with one line of code. Your calendars can be formatted at will
through the use of a calendar template, allowing 100% control over every
aspect of its design. In addition, you can pass data to your calendar
cells.

URI Routing has been modified so that routes will now run in the order
of the keys of the routes array.

Info and download at: http://www.revigniter.com/


Ralf


From briany at qldlearning.com  Wed Jan 20 14:23:28 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:23:28 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
In-Reply-To: <A0898522-FC07-485C-A464-06AAB0092AE4@dimensionB.de>
References: <A0898522-FC07-485C-A464-06AAB0092AE4@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <39AA30A2-F47D-4945-83B8-E10BF9C3DA52@qldlearning.com>

Has anyone had success using the evenodd fillRule for complex (say  
5000+ points) graphics? When I do, I start to get many horizontal line  
artifacts:

go stack url ("http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/fillRule.rev")

- Brian


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 20 14:27:03 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:27:03 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
Message-ID: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>

Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find 
it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've 
always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I 
need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable 
windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than 
writing all that code.

Any thoughts?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 20 14:32:31 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:32:31 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001201132w1fb121bi4b3b0a12a5523a4d@mail.gmail.com>

It seems to be more stable now, as long as one locks the objects down. I've
been cautiously using it on 3-5 objects.  I still don't always trust it (or
myself) to not blow it and I back up more often while using geometry. One
can end up with a mess if not careful.


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/20 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>

> Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find it
> reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've always
> written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I need to
> make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable windows, and I'm
> wondering if using the manager would be faster than writing all that code.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 20 14:33:26 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:33:26 +0100
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5BC8BBFA-6A80-43C8-B4A7-24A5933785D9@economy-x-talk.com>

Jacque,

Do not use the geometry manager in commercial projects. It'll cost you  
money in the end. Write your own scripts.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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  and support the earthquake victims.

Op 20 jan 2010, om 20:27 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven:

> Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you  
> find it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it  
> much, I've always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a  
> position now where I need to make several large stacks with many  
> objects into resizeable windows, and I'm wondering if using the  
> manager would be faster than writing all that code.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 20 14:38:10 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:38:10 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <5BC8BBFA-6A80-43C8-B4A7-24A5933785D9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5BC8BBFA-6A80-43C8-B4A7-24A5933785D9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <49443338578.20100120113810@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 11:33:26 AM, you wrote:

> Do not use the geometry manager in commercial projects. It'll cost you
> money in the end. Write your own scripts.

Word.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 14:46:14 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:46:14 +0200
Subject: [OT] Open Office 3.2.0rc3 Mac PPC
Message-ID: <4B575D86.9020700@gmail.com>

Don't believe what they tell you; it is available here:

http://mirror.unlogisch.ch/ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.2.0rc3_20100115/


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 20 14:47:28 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:47:28 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <49443338578.20100120113810@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5BC8BBFA-6A80-43C8-B4A7-24A5933785D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<49443338578.20100120113810@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001201147w13c77b0di58374dce9f7009a2@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't that kind of lame that it's offered in the IDE, but the unspoken rumor
is that it doesn't work, and we're not supposed to use it, yet no-one has
ever given an exact reason why? What if it has been fixed, yet the
impression persists?

This is one aspect of programming that I would like to not hassle with.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/20 Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>

> Mark-
>
> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 11:33:26 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Do not use the geometry manager in commercial projects. It'll cost you
> > money in the end. Write your own scripts.
>
> Word.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Wed Jan 20 14:48:51 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:48:51 +0100
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D99D027F-BBC5-4C75-8BD4-BAEED1BA9F92@unil.ch>

Jacque,

I used it for a game where about 60-70 groups were concerned, to ajust the display (full screen) on different machines. It worked well (everything was locked), but it was sollicited only at the start of the game. No resizeable windows. In other stacks I HAD some problems and finally I resized by script...

Jacques

Le 20 janv. 2010 ? 20:27, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than writing all that code.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 14:51:54 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:51:54 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
Message-ID: <4B575EDA.9020903@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>> Do not use the geometry manager in commercial projects. It'll cost you
>> money in the end. Write your own scripts.
>
> Word.

Word ++.

Even if it saves a little time today (and after all those clicks how 
much time would that be?), if it ever goes south you'll need to not only 
write your own handlers, but also make sure Rev's libraries don't ever 
bother with those objects again.

I've written some complex layouts and the worst case I've ever had 
required less less than half the number of lines of codes as their are 
objects.  A small price to pay for the best possible performance and the 
most robust, flexible, and extensible implementation.

Duty now for the future....


PS: a real time-saver for me in writing resizeStack handlers has been 
this SetRect command:


on resizeStack x,y
   -- Extend the Title field relative to the left of the card, and
   -- set the bottom to include any space needed for its contents:
   SetRect the long id of fld "Title" "","", x-20,\
      the top of fld "Title" + the formattedHeight of fld "Title"
   --
   -- Position the Body field below the Title field, and set its
   -- width and height relative to the edges of the card:
   SetRect the long id of fld "Body", "", \
      the bottom of fld "Title" + 12, x-20,y-20
end resizeStack


on SetRect pObj
    put the rect of pObj into tRect
    repeat with i = 1 to 4
      get param(i+1)
      if it is not empty then
         put it into item i of tRect
      end if
    end repeat
    set the rect of pObj to tRect
end SetRect


With this handler I can have objects adjusted relative to the card or 
other objects, and I never need to write more than one line.

--
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  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 14:54:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:54:57 +0200
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001201147w13c77b0di58374dce9f7009a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>	<5BC8BBFA-6A80-43C8-B4A7-24A5933785D9@economy-x-talk.com>	<49443338578.20100120113810@ahsoftware.net>
	<e5e009d71001201147w13c77b0di58374dce9f7009a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B575F91.4020006@gmail.com>

On 20/01/2010 21:47, stephen barncard wrote:
> Isn't that kind of lame that it's offered in the IDE, but the unspoken rumor
> is that it doesn't work, and we're not supposed to use it, yet no-one has
> ever given an exact reason why? What if it has been fixed, yet the
> impression persists?
>
>    
Well, if one wants to be b**chy one could point out that there are a 
fair few things
like this in the IDE;

However,

If one wants to be kind one could point out that the large number of 
good things
make the 'problematic' things look relatively insignificant;

And,

If one wants to be realistic one could point out that the Geometry 
manager is
almost unused (possibly because it is unusable???) so, frankly, hardly 
warrants
the attention of the developers - and, may, like one's appendix, be removed
without doing any real damage.

----------------------------------

Much easier is to make one's stack to some fairly standard resolution (I 
normally
favour 1024 x 768) and then have a catch-all script to stop the thing if 
the end-user's
VDU is set to a lower resolution.

Quite apart from anything else; the geometry manager is just too much like
hard work.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 14:56:39 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:56:39 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
Message-ID: <4B575FF7.2090400@fourthworld.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
> Has anyone had success using the evenodd fillRule for complex (say
> 5000+ points) graphics? When I do, I start to get many horizontal line
> artifacts:
>
> go stack url ("http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/fillRule.rev")


FWIW that stack looks good here; Mac OS 10.6.2, MBP 2.16Ghz, Rev 4.0 
build 950.

BTW: Nice graphics. How did you import those?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
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  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed Jan 20 15:00:53 2010
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:00:53 -0500
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <4B54F084.5050806@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C77CCB25.25EA%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Thanks, but the link is dead.
Hershel


On 1/18/10 6:36 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>> My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It
>> doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could
>> write him.
>>   
> They were on the old RevOnline (pre Rev 3.0). I had some problems
> getting stacks on the new RevOnline, but will try again soon.
> 
> In the meantime, you can find them at
> 
> http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo server - released.rev
> http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo client - released.rev
> 
> (please do not look at anything else on that web site. "under
> construction" wouldn't even begin to describe it ...).
> 
> -- Alex.
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From david_beck at rotundasoftware.com  Wed Jan 20 15:05:43 2010
From: david_beck at rotundasoftware.com (David Beck)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:05:43 -0800
Subject: New RunRev based software and resources
Message-ID: <4B576217.1060506@rotundasoftware.com>


Hello,

I'd like to announce the release of new commercial product from Rotunda 
built on the RunRev platform called Volunteer Scheduler Pro. Also, in 
the spirit of Trevor DeVore, Andre Garzia, Mark Weider and others who 
graciously share their RunRev libraries, and of those who are so 
supportive and helpful on these mailing lists, we have made available 
several RunRev libraries used in both Volunteer Scheduler Pro and 
Ministry Scheduler Pro in a new RunRev resource center:

http://www.rotundasoftware.com/rev/

The new software from Rotunda is a volunteer shift scheduler that 
enables schedules to be created based on availability and provides 
online access to workers. RunRev technology is at the base of the 
components on both the client and the server. Here are some screenshots:

http://www.volunteerschedulerpro.com/screenshots.php

The calendar views on that screenshot page are among the resources that 
are available for free from the resource center mentioned above. Also, 
for those not familiar with Rotunda's popular faith-based volunteer 
scheduler, screenshots and videos showcasing that RunRev based product 
are available at http://www.ministryschedulerpro.com.

Thanks to everyone on this list for helping the RunRev community and 
platform continue to grow.

David Beck
Rotunda Software


From briany at qldlearning.com  Wed Jan 20 15:09:34 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:09:34 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
In-Reply-To: <4B575FF7.2090400@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B575FF7.2090400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <005A8DF3-B9FA-4804-8EAA-CD9E5100E763@qldlearning.com>

Interesting. Do you mind sending me a screenshot off-list of how it  
looks on your end? It does seem to be some sort of rendering issue, as  
I've seen the artifacts disappear while editing a group before.

The original graphic is a v1 SWF =).

> Brian Yennie wrote:
>> Has anyone had success using the evenodd fillRule for complex (say
>> 5000+ points) graphics? When I do, I start to get many horizontal  
>> line
>> artifacts:
>>
>> go stack url ("http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/fillRule.rev")
>
>
> FWIW that stack looks good here; Mac OS 10.6.2, MBP 2.16Ghz, Rev 4.0  
> build 950.
>
> BTW: Nice graphics. How did you import those?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 20 15:12:47 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:47 -0800
Subject: Setting the dgText locks Revolution
Message-ID: <6A200175-8BFC-414A-A82F-49DEB32BC02B@twft.com>

Had to send again because message was too big. 

Hi all. 

Following is code I have in the data grid object's script. Essentially am attempting to drag a value in a column to another place in the column to rearrange the values. 

When I execute a drag and drop within a column, Revolution goes beachball on me. I originally thought it was the command to set the dgText that was causing the beachball, but no! Using GLX2 and stepping through the code, I discovered that the beachball happens when DragDrop ends after returning from the dispatch call to ProcessDrop! (see code comments)

Anyone have a clue?

Bob


--> Data Grid Handlers
on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
    
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
    
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theTargetLongID
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
    
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
    
   ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   set the dragData["private"] to the short name of theDataControl & space &\
         theIndex
    
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
   
end dragStart
   
on DragDrop
   -- Get the values we stored from dragStart
   put dragData["private"] into theDropSource

   -- Store the values for the target
   put the dgIndex of the dgDatacontrol of the target into theIndex
   put the short name of the dgDataControl of the target & space &\
         theIndex into theDropTarget
    
   -- theDropSource and theDropTarget now contain a space delimited list
   -- of the column name, the displayed row, and the data index
   -- for the source and the target

   if theDropSource = theDropTarget then
      -- Do nothing
      exit to top 
   end if
    
   dispatch processdrop with theDropSource, theDropTarget
end DragDrop  -- THIS BEACHBALLS REVOLUTION!!!
    
--> My Handlers
on processdrop theDropSource, theDropTarget
    set the itemdelimiter to tab
    put word 1 of theDropSource into theSourceColumn
    put word 3 of theDropSource into theSourceRow
    put word 1 of theDropTarget into theTargetColumn
    put word 3 of theDropTarget into theTargetRow
     
    if theSourceColumn = theTargetColumn then
        --> *Rearrange items
        -- get the data
        get the dgText of me
        put it into theData
        
        -- which column
        if theSourceColumn = "prifields" then
            put 1 into theColumn
        else
            put 3 into theColumn
        end if
         
        -- Store the source value
        put item theColumn of line theSourceRow of theData into theSourceData
         
        -- Determine the repeat loop direction
        if theSourceRow < theTargetRow then
            -- rearrange forward
            repeat with theRow = theSourceRow+1 to theTargetRow
                put item theColumn of line theRow of theData into \
                        item theColumn of line theRow-1 of theData
            end repeat
             
            -- Drop the source value into the target
            put theSourceData into item theColumn of line theTargetRow of theData
        else
            -- rearrange backwards
            repeat with theRow = theSourceRow-1 down to theTargetRow
                put item theColumn of line theRow of theData into \
                        item theColumn of line theRow+1 of theData
            end repeat
             
            -- Drop the source value into the target
            put theSourceData into item theColumn of line theTargetRow of theData
        end if
         
    else
        --> *Link items
    end if
    breakpoint
    -- save the data
    set the itemdelimiter to comma
    set the dgText of me to theData
    -- At this point theData looks good! The values for the column
    -- source and target are swapped and if you step through the code
    -- the data grid has been updated!
end processdrop

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 15:14:46 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:14:46 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
Message-ID: <4B576436.4020300@fourthworld.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
> Interesting. Do you mind sending me a screenshot off-list of how it
> looks on your end? It does seem to be some sort of rendering issue, as
> I've seen the artifacts disappear while editing a group before.

Looks good:  crisp, clear lines throughout, very clean rendering.  I 
even used the pointer tool a bit to muck with it to see if I could see 
some artifacts, but it always rendered well.

> The original graphic is a v1 SWF =).

How did you import that?

>> Brian Yennie wrote:
>>> Has anyone had success using the evenodd fillRule for complex (say
>>> 5000+ points) graphics? When I do, I start to get many horizontal
>>> line
>>> artifacts:
>>>
>>> go stack url ("http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/fillRule.rev")
>>
>>
>> FWIW that stack looks good here; Mac OS 10.6.2, MBP 2.16Ghz, Rev 4.0
>> build 950.
>>
>> BTW: Nice graphics. How did you import those?
>>
>> --

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Jan 20 15:16:25 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:16:25 -0500
Subject: Setting the dgText locks Revolution
In-Reply-To: <6A200175-8BFC-414A-A82F-49DEB32BC02B@twft.com>
References: <6A200175-8BFC-414A-A82F-49DEB32BC02B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <DA2DF98D-DBCF-4D44-89CF-00B07F85424A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 20, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Following is code I have in the data grid object's script.  
> Essentially am attempting to drag a value in a column to another  
> place in the column to rearrange the values.
>
> When I execute a drag and drop within a column, Revolution goes  
> beachball on me. I originally thought it was the command to set the  
> dgText that was causing the beachball, but no! Using GLX2 and  
> stepping through the code, I discovered that the beachball happens  
> when DragDrop ends after returning from the dispatch call to  
> ProcessDrop! (see code comments)
>
> Anyone have a clue?

Try calling processDrop AFTER dragDrop finishes executing.

send "processDrop theDropSource, theDropTarget" to me in 0 seconds

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 20 15:17:50 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:17:50 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
In-Reply-To: <4B575FF7.2090400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C77CA4EE.47477%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I think he's referring to the linear artifacts in the "background" of the
graphic (grey and purple regions on the right and left).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Brian Yennie wrote:
>> Has anyone had success using the evenodd fillRule for complex (say
>> 5000+ points) graphics? When I do, I start to get many horizontal line
>> artifacts:
>> 
>> go stack url ("http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/fillRule.rev")
> 
> 
> FWIW that stack looks good here; Mac OS 10.6.2, MBP 2.16Ghz, Rev 4.0
> build 950.
> 
> BTW: Nice graphics. How did you import those?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>   revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv




From briany at qldlearning.com  Wed Jan 20 15:26:04 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:26:04 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
In-Reply-To: <4B576436.4020300@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B576436.4020300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <96061FA9-6BAA-4FEA-A7CE-A035B15D5DF0@qldlearning.com>

>> Interesting. Do you mind sending me a screenshot off-list of how it
>> looks on your end? It does seem to be some sort of rendering issue,  
>> as
>> I've seen the artifacts disappear while editing a group before.
>
> Looks good:  crisp, clear lines throughout, very clean rendering.  I  
> even used the pointer tool a bit to muck with it to see if I could  
> see some artifacts, but it always rendered well.

This is what I get here:
http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/evenodd.png

I'm on 10.6.1 with Rev 4.0 / build 950... pretty similar setup.

>
>> The original graphic is a v1 SWF =).
>
> How did you import that?


I'm parsing SVG data generated from a SWF. If I can get it to look  
good enough, I'd like to proceed to reading the SWF directly in Rev,  
which will be yucky but doable I think. But if the rendering is a  
sticking point, probably not worth the time. Right now it looks like  
evenodd is buggy, and antialiasing is holding back the quality just a  
bit.

Here it is as SVG in a browser (NOTE: this will only work in Safari or  
FireFox, IE can't display SVG. It DOES work on the iPhone):
http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/demos/arctic.html


From briany at qldlearning.com  Wed Jan 20 15:26:48 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:26:48 -0800
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
In-Reply-To: <C77CA4EE.47477%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C77CA4EE.47477%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <ED7778E8-596E-410A-932C-3BBF8B415D26@qldlearning.com>

Yes, that =).

> I think he's referring to the linear artifacts in the "background"  
> of the
> graphic (grey and purple regions on the right and left).
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
> Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Brian Yennie wrote:
>>> Has anyone had success using the evenodd fillRule for complex (say
>>> 5000+ points) graphics? When I do, I start to get many horizontal  
>>> line
>>> artifacts:
>>>
>>> go stack url ("http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/fillRule.rev")
>>
>>
>> FWIW that stack looks good here; Mac OS 10.6.2, MBP 2.16Ghz, Rev 4.0
>> build 950.
>>
>> BTW: Nice graphics. How did you import those?
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World
>>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 20 15:50:30 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:30 +0100
Subject: evenodd fillRule?
In-Reply-To: <96061FA9-6BAA-4FEA-A7CE-A035B15D5DF0@qldlearning.com>
References: <4B576436.4020300@fourthworld.com>
	<96061FA9-6BAA-4FEA-A7CE-A035B15D5DF0@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <212BB270-7DB3-4534-A5DB-CACDDD66D714@economy-x-talk.com>

Brian,

I see exactly the same, in Rev 4, Mac OS X 10.5.8.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 20 jan 2010, om 21:26 heeft Brian Yennie het volgende geschreven:
>
> This is what I get here:
> http://fi.s.s3.amazonaws.com/evenodd.png



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Jan 20 15:52:22 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:52:22 +0100
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <08C34733-05BB-42FC-97D3-E6FFB2138A0C@mines-paristech.fr>

It's nice to have it for simple stacks. And when it works, don't ever fix it.
cheers
	Fran?ois
Le 20 janv. 2010 ? 20:27, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than writing all that code.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 15:52:51 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:52:51 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
Message-ID: <4B576D23.4030502@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> Isn't that kind of lame that it's offered in the IDE, but the unspoken rumor
> is that it doesn't work, and we're not supposed to use it, yet no-one has
> ever given an exact reason why? What if it has been fixed, yet the
> impression persists?

One man's lame is another man's affordance.  For simple layouts the GM 
seems to work well.  Any issues folks have had with it are an 
understandable byproduct of attempting to abstractify dynamic layout 
geometry in such a generalized way.

The old THINK Class Library (how old am I that I remember that? <g>) 
included a class for managing layout geometry, and with similar results. 
It's a hard task to pull off.

Given the nearly infinite variety of ways people can arrange their 
objects, compounded by the interdependencies between them as some 
objects may be relative to others which are relative to others which are 
relative to the card bounds, building a universal tool which is always 
reliable is somewhere between too complex to be worth it and impossible.

Being a gadgeteer myself I started down that road once.  Halfway into 
that dark forest of possibilities I turned back, and have been enamored 
of the relative ease and absolute control of using resizeStack handlers 
ever since.

RunRev was more ambitious than I, and their tool does a reasonably good 
job on some types of layouts.  But since it - or any generalized tool - 
won't be able to handle every possible case I can throw at it, I think 
it's useful for people to know they have options.


> This is one aspect of programming that I would like to not hassle with.

It's not so bad:  once you get into a habit of writing resizeStack 
handlers it becomes second-nature, and takes only a minute or so for 
most layouts.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Wed Jan 20 16:16:31 2010
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:16:31 +0100
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca9a15$d65b9f80$8312de80$@girard@laposte.net>


Hi Jacqueline,

The Revolution geometry manager is horrible, and multiple times it broken
entirely (all my objects disappeared !)

That's why NativeSpeak has a geometry manager (to replace rev geometry
manager and for localization/cross platform geometry).

And what I have to say, is that I re-wrote it entirely for NativeSpeak 2.0,
and it is just awesome... (the ease of use + the resizing speed like if you
wrote your own script + cross-platform + localizable). You will see in few
months !

Kind Regards,

Damien Girard
Dam-pro, France.


-----Message d'origine-----
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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de J. Landman
Gay
Envoy??: mercredi 20 janvier 2010 20:27
??: Revolution Mailing List
Objet?: Geometry manager


Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find 
it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've 
always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I 
need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable 
windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than 
writing all that code.

Any thoughts?

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 20 16:25:04 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:25:04 -0800
Subject: Setting the dgText locks Revolution
In-Reply-To: <DA2DF98D-DBCF-4D44-89CF-00B07F85424A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6A200175-8BFC-414A-A82F-49DEB32BC02B@twft.com>
	<DA2DF98D-DBCF-4D44-89CF-00B07F85424A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <AC3FD68B-7AE4-4612-8762-B1BAA3418771@twft.com>

Bingo! That did the trick. So would I be correct in saying that the principle here is, whenever doing anything to modify the data in a datagrid, use send in time?

Bob


On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Following is code I have in the data grid object's script. Essentially am attempting to drag a value in a column to another place in the column to rearrange the values.
>> 
>> When I execute a drag and drop within a column, Revolution goes beachball on me. I originally thought it was the command to set the dgText that was causing the beachball, but no! Using GLX2 and stepping through the code, I discovered that the beachball happens when DragDrop ends after returning from the dispatch call to ProcessDrop! (see code comments)
>> 
>> Anyone have a clue?
> 
> Try calling processDrop AFTER dragDrop finishes executing.
> 
> send "processDrop theDropSource, theDropTarget" to me in 0 seconds
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 20 16:37:32 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:37:32 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <000601ca9a15$d65b9f80$8312de80$@girard@laposte.net>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<000601ca9a15$d65b9f80$8312de80$@girard@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <4B57779C.4060701@hyperactivesw.com>

Well, I guess the votes are in. Thanks for your comments. I'll stick 
with my handwritten scripts. Problem is, I have about a thousand objects 
to script, scattered over a whole suite of stacks, and I *so* do not 
want to do this.

Sigh.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 17:00:31 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:00:31 +1000
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B57779C.4060701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4B57779C.4060701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001201400r49adb480maee42e140e53c186@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:37 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Well, I guess the votes are in. Thanks for your comments. I'll stick with my
> handwritten scripts. Problem is, I have about a thousand objects to script,
> scattered over a whole suite of stacks, and I *so* do not want to do this.
>
> Sigh.


Jacque, I have a plugin which is a bit rough, but does some of the
work of scripting all this.
<http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/GeomScript.rev>

Cheers,
Sarah


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Jan 20 17:08:05 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:08:05 -0500
Subject: Setting the dgText locks Revolution
In-Reply-To: <AC3FD68B-7AE4-4612-8762-B1BAA3418771@twft.com>
References: <6A200175-8BFC-414A-A82F-49DEB32BC02B@twft.com>
	<DA2DF98D-DBCF-4D44-89CF-00B07F85424A@mangomultimedia.com>
	<AC3FD68B-7AE4-4612-8762-B1BAA3418771@twft.com>
Message-ID: <7D98E9C1-28D8-42D3-93FB-7DAE1A874C2D@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Bingo! That did the trick. So would I be correct in saying that the  
> principle here is, whenever doing anything to modify the data in a  
> datagrid, use send in time?

The general rule is that if the object that is running the current  
script is going to be deleted then use send in time to delete it.  
Doing so should generate an error though, not lock up Rev.

I'm not sure that is the issue here though. Your scripts are in the  
Data Grid group script so this shouldn't be an issue.

I've had issues with dragDrop causing crashes before myself though.  
For example, I do some image processing in an app when the user drops  
images onto a Data Grid in an app. This would sometimes causes crashes  
until I moved the processing outside the dragDrop event.

So is the crash caused by an error occurring during Data Grid redraw?  
Maybe. Or maybe there are some operations that can cause Rev to become  
upset during drag operations and the Data Grid exposes them. I haven't  
fully explored this yet but IIRC the crash logs I've looked at on OS X  
were complaining about the drag event loop.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 20 17:37:33 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:37:33 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F44CA22A-857F-4E6A-998A-6A4E17A1EB46@twft.com>

Just to weigh in, the fact that people can write their own scripts to do this should be some indication that a geometry manager CAN work for most things. Off the top of my head, it seems you would want to set and track the following things:

minimum object size (per object)
maximum object size (per object)
relative size and position (to card or other object, per object)
specific properties of an object should be capable of being relative to another property of another object (for instance the top of field "a" 5 pixels below the bottom of field "b")
exact position (to card or to other object)
effect on contents (do text and labels and graphics grow within the object?)

Every object should have a prior position property set so that any time the size or position of an object changes, you can revert. Also, wouldn't it be cool if you could make each object's size and position relative to another object instead of the whole card? That way you could have an anchor object and make every other object relative to that one, or have a cascade effect where each object's size and or position is relative to another's by a percent or by an exact number of pixels. 

That's just my "gee this seems easy" way of seeing it, and obviously it's more complicated than  that. But I think that the reason the geometry manager seems inadequate is because size and position of each object is relative only to the card and not to other objects. 

Anyone who has worked with old dBase code that created forms by code know the problems here. Remember "SAY" and "GET"? EEEK!

Bob


On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:27 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than writing all that code.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 17:48:25 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:48:25 -0800
Subject: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED
Message-ID: <4B578839.4070008@fourthworld.com>

Thanks again to everyone who contributed to this thread.

Based on the discussion here and reviewing the options in depth with Ken 
Ray, I've submitted an enhancement request to the RQCC:


Extend behavior resolution to also happen before preOpenCard
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8558>

Here are my notes submitted there:

    Currently the engine attempts to resolve all behavior
    references for all objects in a stackFile once whenever
    that stack is accessed.

    While useful, this can give rise to circumstances in
    which this causes unnecessary failure of resolution
    attempts.

    For example, if you have an instance object in a
    substack of a standalone which uses a behavior defined
    in an external stackFile library, the engine will attempt
    to resolve the behavior for the instance even before you
    open that substack, and will fail since the behavior
    object hasn't been loaded first.

    If the engine was extended to attempt behavior resolution
    just prior to preOpenCard, this failed resolution would
    have no adverse effect, since a new attempt will be made
    when that substack is actually opened.

    Not only does this avoid unnecessary resolution errors,
    it makes behavior resolution more consistent with other
    uses of object references in the engine, such as image
    references used in button icons and patterns.



Also:

Some time ago I'd already submitted a request noting that the 
resolutionError message isn't yet implemented, and have appended that 
earlier report with a suggestion for the arguments to be sent with that 
message:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7944>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Jan 20 17:53:20 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:53:20 -0500
Subject: Modal dialog not modal... any hints?
In-Reply-To: <B2A72551-3406-4625-9725-B11641AA0B24@califex.com>
References: <4B571D13.4060306@fourthworld.com>
	<B2A72551-3406-4625-9725-B11641AA0B24@califex.com>
Message-ID: <8064BB86-F91E-48C6-807C-503AE959B126@mac.com>

YesOrNoYesOrNo("Are you sure you want to answer this question?","Yes")
YesOrNo the dialogData=
back from dialog




Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> go url "http://www.califexsoftware.com/stacks/TestModal.rev"



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 20 17:59:34 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:59:34 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
Message-ID: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Well, I guess the votes are in. Thanks for your comments. I'll stick
> with my handwritten scripts. Problem is, I have about a thousand objects
> to script, scattered over a whole suite of stacks, and I *so* do not
> want to do this.

Look at the bright side:  with that many objects you'd get RSI from 
using a point-and-click solution anyway. ;)

Besides, with that many objects I suspect you'll find a lot of 
similarities as you go resulting in centralized handlers used by 
multiple layouts, so with any luck you'll have little code to write 
relative to the number of objects you need to handle.

Good luck -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 20 18:20:24 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:20:24 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <-6587167842273004894@unknownmsgid>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<-6587167842273004894@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001201520v67210fe4oa701c028572b6cb3@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps you can offer it as a separate product?


2010/1/20 Damien Girard <dam-pro.girard at laposte.net>

>
>
> And what I have to say, is that I re-wrote it entirely for NativeSpeak 2.0,
> and it is just awesome... (the ease of use + the resizing speed like if you
> wrote your own script + cross-platform + localizable). You will see in few
> months !
>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 20 18:39:59 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:39:59 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001201400r49adb480maee42e140e53c186@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>	<4B57779C.4060701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52861001201400r49adb480maee42e140e53c186@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B57944F.9060409@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:37 AM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> Well, I guess the votes are in. Thanks for your comments. I'll stick with my
>> handwritten scripts. Problem is, I have about a thousand objects to script,
>> scattered over a whole suite of stacks, and I *so* do not want to do this.
>>
>> Sigh.
> 
> 
> Jacque, I have a plugin which is a bit rough, but does some of the
> work of scripting all this.
> <http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/GeomScript.rev>

Thank you. I've downloaded it, and it looks like a good compromise 
between automation and Richard's technique. Could you fix it so it reads 
my intentions as well? So I could just click one button? ;)

I still don't want to do this, but the client speaks and the programmer 
nods agreement...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 20 19:01:43 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:01:43 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Look at the bright side:  with that many objects you'd get RSI from 
> using a point-and-click solution anyway. ;)

I just added them up and it isn't as bad as I thought. It's only 943.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 20 19:17:23 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:17:23 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:01:43 PM, you wrote:

> I just added them up and it isn't as bad as I thought. It's only 943.

...so put them in groups of 41 and then you only have to write 23
handlers...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Jan 20 19:40:37 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:40:37 +0100
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080fc77d5282c834@[192.168.1.94]>

On 20.01.10 at 18:01 -0600 J. Landman Gay apparently wrote:
>Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>Look at the bright side:  with that many objects you'd get RSI from 
>>using a point-and-click solution anyway. ;)
>
>I just added them up and it isn't as bad as I thought. It's only 943.
>

I would second what Richard wrote. With that many objects, there must 
be patterns so only a few central scripts are probably needed. In 
some projects, I used naming scheme to handle this. In others, I used 
custom properties in each object. Sometimes grouping comes in play, 
as Mark suggests.

Robert


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jan 20 19:41:36 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:41:36 +0000
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <C77CCB25.25EA%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C77CCB25.25EA%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4B57A2C0.6090605@tweedly.net>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> Thanks, but the link is dead.
> Hershel
>
>   
Most likely it is (as Stephen warned) a problem due to my poor choice of 
file name - the spaces confuse automatic link-clicking. Copy/paste the 
whole URL (from http: ... all the way to ... .rev) and see if that fixes 
it (it does for me).

Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll pick better names next time.
-- Alex.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 20 20:15:35 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:15:35 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <p0624080fc77d5282c834@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0624080fc77d5282c834@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <4B57AAB7.4020604@hyperactivesw.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
> On 20.01.10 at 18:01 -0600 J. Landman Gay apparently wrote:
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>> Look at the bright side:  with that many objects you'd get RSI from 
>>> using a point-and-click solution anyway. ;)
>>
>> I just added them up and it isn't as bad as I thought. It's only 943.
>>
> 
> I would second what Richard wrote. With that many objects, there must be 
> patterns so only a few central scripts are probably needed. In some 
> projects, I used naming scheme to handle this. In others, I used custom 
> properties in each object. Sometimes grouping comes in play, as Mark 
> suggests.

There is a main stack with three (all different) cards, and 17 one-card 
substacks. Two of the substacks are very similar, each with 110 
controls. I can share those two scripts. The rest of the stacks are each 
a separate template that displays data in different layouts. Those all 
have to be resized individually. I've eliminated six substacks, such as 
the preferences substack, which can be enlarged just once during 
development and remain static. But the 943 count doesn't include those 
stacks.

The complaint came in after Windows 7 was released, and some new 
machines are apparently now shipping with monitors set to 1920 x 1080 
default resolution. The existing stacks are about half that size, which 
used to be fine but now are too small to read. It's legacy stuff that 
wasn't an issue before but it really does need to be changed.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 20 20:16:29 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:16:29 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:01:43 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I just added them up and it isn't as bad as I thought. It's only 943.
> 
> ...so put them in groups of 41 and then you only have to write 23
> handlers...
> 

Can't. 41 is one short of the Answer To Everything. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 20 20:41:22 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:41:22 -0800
Subject: shell
In-Reply-To: <4B57A2C0.6090605@tweedly.net>
References: <C77CCB25.25EA%hershrev@syp2u4c.com> <4B57A2C0.6090605@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001201741m125c096vdc927cf6d80554a1@mail.gmail.com>

I got it to work by pasting the whole thing into the adr line of a browser
and it filled in the appropriate URLEncoding (as browsers for some time have
done)
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/20 Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but the link is dead.
>> Hershel
>>
>>
>>
> Most likely it is (as Stephen warned) a problem due to my poor choice of
> file name - the spaces confuse automatic link-clicking. Copy/paste the whole
> URL (from http: ... all the way to ... .rev) and see if that fixes it (it
> does for me).
>
> Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll pick better names next time.
>
> -- Alex.
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 21:04:28 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:04:28 +1000
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> Thanks for clearing up the .irev/revlet confusion in my head.
>
> I've read through the thread a couple times... and it seems you CANNOT get
> the user/browser's date and time through RevServer scripts. Correct?
>
> Anyone have a javascript snippet they like to use to get the user's date and
> time? thanks.

As far as I know, the JavaScript Date object gives the browser's date & time.
Here is a routine I have to showing a time stamp:

function showTimeStamp() {
	  // show the current date & time in the divider bar
		var date = new Date();
		var m = date.getMinutes();
		var s = date.getSeconds();
		// add a zero in front of numbers < 10
		if (m < 10) { m = "0" + m; }
		if (s < 10) { s = "0" + s; }

		// format into "d/m/yyyy        h:mm:ss"
		var currentDate = 	date.getDate() + "/" +
						(date.getMonth() + 1) + "/" +
						date.getFullYear() + "        " +
						date.getHours() + ":" + m + ":" + s;

		$('#timestamp').text("Last step: " + currentDate);
}


The last line uses jQuery to display the time stamp in the tag with
the id "timestamp", but you can also use straight JavaScript:
		document.getElementById("timestamp").innerHTML = currentDate;

Note that I have the date formatted in the English/Australian style
(d/m/y), so swap the segments around if you want American dates.

HTH,
Sarah


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 21:26:53 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:26:53 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>
> As far as I know, the JavaScript Date object gives the browser's  
> date & time.
> Here is a routine I have to showing a time stamp:


The original issue is that the browser does not send its system date  
and time to the server so that a sever-side script can use it.

Your example is how to tell the browser to grab the time and date info  
available to it and display it for the single user.

If the javascript were to update a cookie record in the spot available  
for a Revlet or a web page script that gets and sets cookies, then  
that info would be available for harvesting.

The other two solutions mentioned were to ask the user to press a  
button to send that data, and the sneaky AJAX  approach which means  
you trigger a script without the user interacting to send the data  
back to the same server or another or several of them.  ( of course,  
no one uses computers to extract info like that )


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tim Selander  
> <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>> Thanks for clearing up the .irev/revlet confusion in my head.
>>
>> I've read through the thread a couple times... and it seems you  
>> CANNOT get
>> the user/browser's date and time through RevServer scripts. Correct?
>>
>> Anyone have a javascript snippet they like to use to get the user's  
>> date and
>> time? thanks.
>
> As far as I know, the JavaScript Date object gives the browser's  
> date & time.
> Here is a routine I have to showing a time stamp:
>
> function showTimeStamp() {
> 	  // show the current date & time in the divider bar
> 		var date = new Date();
> 		var m = date.getMinutes();
> 		var s = date.getSeconds();
> 		// add a zero in front of numbers < 10
> 		if (m < 10) { m = "0" + m; }
> 		if (s < 10) { s = "0" + s; }
>
> 		// format into "d/m/yyyy        h:mm:ss"
> 		var currentDate = 	date.getDate() + "/" +
> 						(date.getMonth() + 1) + "/" +
> 						date.getFullYear() + "        " +
> 						date.getHours() + ":" + m + ":" + s;
>
> 		$('#timestamp').text("Last step: " + currentDate);
> }
>
>
> The last line uses jQuery to display the time stamp in the tag with
> the id "timestamp", but you can also use straight JavaScript:
> 		document.getElementById("timestamp").innerHTML = currentDate;
>
> Note that I have the date formatted in the English/Australian style
> (d/m/y), so swap the segments around if you want American dates.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 20 21:51:54 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:51:54 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:26:53 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> The original issue is that the browser does not send its system date
> and time to the server so that a sever-side script can use it.

I think by now I've lost track of the "why" of this. By the time the
post information reaches the server wouldn't the server's date and
time be the important data points? Is there some reason the server
would need to know the browser's perspective?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 20 21:54:59 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:54:59 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <145469548390.20100120185459@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:16:29 PM, you wrote:

>> ...so put them in groups of 41 and then you only have to write 23
>> handlers...

> Can't. 41 is one short of the Answer To Everything. :)

No problem. All you have to do is write another group of 23 new
handlers...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jan 20 22:01:57 2010
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:01:57 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <145469548390.20100120185459@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<145469548390.20100120185459@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <0D3A965D-08C3-433E-A315-94CDBFE386DD@jhj.com>


On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>>> ...so put them in groups of 41 and then you only have to write 23
>>> handlers...
> 
>> Can't. 41 is one short of the Answer To Everything. :)
> 
> No problem. All you have to do is write another group of 23 new
> handlers...

But then it wouldn't be the product of two primes, so to speak...
--
Jerry Jensen



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Wed Jan 20 22:59:52 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:59:52 +0900
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>

I was the original poster and this has been a very interesting 
thread, though a fair bit of it has been over my head as I don't 
know javascript, nor html, very well.

I'm working on a simple web based To Do list for some family 
members to share. Pops up items based on date. But I'm in Tokyo, 
other users are in China and the US--it's Monday here while still 
Sunday for you in the US. Want to pop up the items based on the 
date of the user, whether in Asia, US or Europe.

I found some javascript solutions on the net, and now Sarah has 
posted a very easy to understand javascript (Sarah, you're 
amazing). Now I have to figure out how to get the javascript 
result into an irev variable... looks like I'll be exploring 
cookies...

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:26:53 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> The original issue is that the browser does not send its system date
>> and time to the server so that a sever-side script can use it.
> 
> I think by now I've lost track of the "why" of this. By the time the
> post information reaches the server wouldn't the server's date and
> time be the important data points? Is there some reason the server
> would need to know the browser's perspective?
> 


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 20 23:11:09 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:11:09 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>

Tim-

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:59:52 PM, you wrote:

> I'm working on a simple web based To Do list for some family
> members to share. Pops up items based on date. But I'm in Tokyo, 
> other users are in China and the US--it's Monday here while still 
> Sunday for you in the US. Want to pop up the items based on the 
> date of the user, whether in Asia, US or Europe.

Ah... got it, I think.

Couldn't you just let the server take care of its local date and then
convert it at the user's end when you go to display it? If this is
strictly irev scripting then that won't work because you don't know
the user's info. But if you're using a revlet (and that *is* in the
subject, after all) then you should be able to convert the server's
internet time to the user's local time (assuming the local time on
their computer is correct).

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From dr.alistair at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 07:28:55 2010
From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A problem with replicating a subgroup
Message-ID: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

The issue I have is a bit complicated to explain so I have uploaded an
example stack ("A Group Replication Problem") to revOnline. You should find
it if you search for me or look for a stack tagged 'Test'.

Basically, I have a scrolling group set up with a subgroup which I want to
be able to replicate as many times as I need. Each replication is managed by
a button ("New Case Plan") which clones the subgroup, changes some custom
properties, and then places the cloned subgroup a certain distance beneath
the previous subgroup. I can delete each replication in sequence back to the
first subgroup which is not deleteable as I use it as the 'template' for
replication.

This all works fine. I can press the "New Case Plan" button as many times as
I like and all the replicant subgroups all line up nicely in the scrolling
group. I can also delete any new replicant as expected. So, what I am saying
is that the code works as expected. Though I am betting that it is clumsy-
so any thoughts on how to make the code itself more efficient or elegant
would be welcomed.

The problem is this. All of the above works fine so long as I don't scroll
to the bottom of the group, so that the last replication is showing, before
I press the "New Case Plan" button. If I do that the next replication is
displaced well away from the previous one and is not the neat and tidy
separation that I expected. If I keep on doing that the distance between
replication becomes increasingly larger.

I wonder if I have simply used a poor approach to the coding of this
functionality and whether there is some simple and elegant approach that
would also solve this "bad" behaviour.

Or, is this a problem with having a scrolling group since the location of
objects within this is likely to become a pretty complicated reference once
you start to scroll.

Your thoughts on this would be most welcome. If you could have a look at the
problem in the stack on revOnline I would appreciate it.

All the best.

Alistair Campbell
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 07:46:36 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:46:36 +0000
Subject: raising the font size in dialog boxes, howto?
Message-ID: <201001211246.37065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

How do you raise the size of the font in dialog boxes, answer and ask, on 
account of people not being able to see them very well?  You can do this 
somewhat by changing the size of the rev ui elements from the application 
browser, but its one at a time, so very laborious, and also you don't seem 
able to change the message font.  As in

answer "xxx" with "aa" or "bb"

You can change the font of aa or bb but apparently not of xxx.  Also the 
box into which the aa or bb goes does not seem to change quite correctly to 
accomodate the font.  And the old familiar problem of not all fonts on the 
system being available shows up here again.

Is there a global setting for this stuff someplace ?  Or does one have to 
simply write one's own dialogue boxes from scratch if he wants a different 
font size, and wants to change the xxx?

Peter


From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 21 07:53:02 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:53:02 +0100
Subject: raising the font size in dialog boxes, howto?
In-Reply-To: <201001211246.37065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201001211246.37065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FC932A12-7895-4710-B11E-3A807D05DA81@mac.com>

There is no global setting. But you can use htmltext in the answer dialogues:

answer "<p><font size=" & quote & 18 & quote & ">text is big</font></p>" with "aa" or "bb"

If the buttons not resizing is a major problem for you, then you do indeed need to make your own dialogues. The advantage there is that substacks inherit the font-settings from their mainstacks. So you could try to not set the font anywhere but the mainstack, and that would propagate downwards as a central setting. 

Note that you cannot set the font of anything without its textsize being set, and vice versa. That fact makes this approach impossible for almost all projects (Who uses just one font and fontsize these days??)

On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:46, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> How do you raise the size of the font in dialog boxes, answer and ask, on 
> account of people not being able to see them very well?  You can do this 
> somewhat by changing the size of the rev ui elements from the application 
> browser, but its one at a time, so very laborious, and also you don't seem 
> able to change the message font.  As in
> 
> answer "xxx" with "aa" or "bb"
> 
> You can change the font of aa or bb but apparently not of xxx.  Also the 
> box into which the aa or bb goes does not seem to change quite correctly to 
> accomodate the font.  And the old familiar problem of not all fonts on the 
> system being available shows up here again.
> 
> Is there a global setting for this stuff someplace ?  Or does one have to 
> simply write one's own dialogue boxes from scratch if he wants a different 
> font size, and wants to change the xxx?
> 
> Peter

-- 

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http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Thu Jan 21 07:56:35 2010
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:56:35 +0900
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> the user's info. But if you're using a revlet (and that *is* in the
> subject, after all) then you should be able to convert the server's
> internet time to the user's local time (assuming the local time on
> their computer is correct).

Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't 
figured out how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local 
time via javascript, but don't know how to pass it to the revlet 
(actually, it seems I have my terms wrong, typical for a 
newbie... I'm trying to script this all in an .irev file on my 
on-rev account.)

Someone mentioned cookies, which seems like a logical method -- 
now to learn how to make and read cookies!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From edljr at mac.com  Thu Jan 21 07:58:47 2010
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:58:47 -0600
Subject: raising the font size in dialog boxes, howto?
In-Reply-To: <201001211246.37065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201001211246.37065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5A667C45-0C67-4AA8-AA23-3C70622F2C25@mac.com>

Hi Peter,

For customized dialog boxes, I just roll my own. These mini stacks/ 
cards do not take much effort to put together and give you 100% control.

Ed


On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> How do you raise the size of the font in dialog boxes, answer and  
> ask, on
> account of people not being able to see them very well?  You can do  
> this
> somewhat by changing the size of the rev ui elements from the  
> application
> browser, but its one at a time, so very laborious, and also you  
> don't seem
> able to change the message font.  As in
>
> answer "xxx" with "aa" or "bb"
>
> You can change the font of aa or bb but apparently not of xxx.  Also  
> the
> box into which the aa or bb goes does not seem to change quite  
> correctly to
> accomodate the font.  And the old familiar problem of not all fonts  
> on the
> system being available shows up here again.
>
> Is there a global setting for this stuff someplace ?  Or does one  
> have to
> simply write one's own dialogue boxes from scratch if he wants a  
> different
> font size, and wants to change the xxx?
>
> Peter
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan 21 08:43:54 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:43:54 +0100
Subject: How to create a Mutex on Win?
Message-ID: <5A20EAF626C94F7DB450D1081C2FAE8B@Kestner.local>

Hello (Trevor),

 

I am using InnoSetup to update my app on Win. InnoSetup offers the feature
to check, if the app is still running before updating with Mutex.

I have found in the archives Trevors enhancedWin.dll to create a Mutex. My
questions:

1. Is there a Rev standard way to create a Mutex in the current versions?

2. Is Trevors dll still the appropriate way to do it?

3. What are the experiences out there with this external? Is it reliable,
does it still work on Vista and Win7?

 

Any experiences welcome

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 21 09:34:54 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:34:54 -0500
Subject: How to create a Mutex on Win?
In-Reply-To: <5A20EAF626C94F7DB450D1081C2FAE8B@Kestner.local>
References: <5A20EAF626C94F7DB450D1081C2FAE8B@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <F551C1A6-DFBE-4C98-88AD-0DA4123994F7@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> I am using InnoSetup to update my app on Win. InnoSetup offers the  
> feature
> to check, if the app is still running before updating with Mutex.
>
> I have found in the archives Trevors enhancedWin.dll to create a  
> Mutex. My
> questions:
>
> 1. Is there a Rev standard way to create a Mutex in the current  
> versions?

No.

> 2. Is Trevors dll still the appropriate way to do it?

Yes.

> 3. What are the experiences out there with this external? Is it  
> reliable,
> does it still work on Vista and Win7?

You probably need an updated version of the external. I don't have any  
docs for it but if you send me an email I can email you an updated  
external with some notes.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 21 10:07:29 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:07:29 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
Message-ID: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>

I would like to start this announcement off thanking, once again,  
Malte Pfaff-Brill and Trevor DeVore for the help in getting some  
broken code working :-)


* Hot Keys and Volume events now work in all versions of Rev from 2.8  
up to 4.5

* Can invert the display's colour palette (I don't know why, but it is  
there anyways :)

* Add the toolbar blob to the window frame (as well as remove it)

* Get the proxy icon file path [see below]

* Some code clean up

* Removal of two deprecated commands

* Price is now 15 CAD  (my financial guru told me to raise it)




Get the proxy icon file path
----------------------------
While most people are probably excited about the toolbar blob, this is  
the one the addition I like the most and if you deal with document- 
based applications (using stacks as the documents) you will probably  
like this too..

If you set the proxy icon based on the file path to your stack:

   ssSetWindowProxyIcon the windowID of this stack, the fileName of  
this stack

you can use the new external function:

   ssGetWindoeProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)

to get the file path of the stack.. Now this may not seem like a big  
thing, but if the end user moves the stack file in the Finder, and for  
you Rev 2.8 people, if the end user uses the proxy icon to move the  
file Rev still thinks it is in the old location (oh noes).. By doing a  
quick check you can update Rev's pointer to the file:

   if (the fileName of this stack <> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the  
windowID of this stack)) then
     set the fileName of this stack to ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the  
windowID of this stack)
   end if

Hopefully you are as excited by this release as I am :-)



-Sean
http://shaosean.tk/


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 10:10:12 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:10:12 +0200
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
References: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4B586E54.2050101@gmail.com>

On 21/01/2010 17:07, Shao Sean wrote:
> I would like to start this announcement off thanking, once again, 
> Malte Pfaff-Brill and Trevor DeVore for the help in getting some 
> broken code working :-)
>
>
> * Hot Keys and Volume events now work in all versions of Rev from 2.8 
> up to 4.5

RunRev 4.5 . . . really? obviously I HAVE been asleep.

>
> * Can invert the display's colour palette (I don't know why, but it is 
> there anyways :)
>
> * Add the toolbar blob to the window frame (as well as remove it)
>
> * Get the proxy icon file path [see below]
>
> * Some code clean up
>
> * Removal of two deprecated commands
>
> * Price is now 15 CAD  (my financial guru told me to raise it)
>
>
>
>
> Get the proxy icon file path
> ----------------------------
> While most people are probably excited about the toolbar blob, this is 
> the one the addition I like the most and if you deal with 
> document-based applications (using stacks as the documents) you will 
> probably like this too..
>
> If you set the proxy icon based on the file path to your stack:
>
>   ssSetWindowProxyIcon the windowID of this stack, the fileName of 
> this stack
>
> you can use the new external function:
>
>   ssGetWindoeProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
>
> to get the file path of the stack.. Now this may not seem like a big 
> thing, but if the end user moves the stack file in the Finder, and for 
> you Rev 2.8 people, if the end user uses the proxy icon to move the 
> file Rev still thinks it is in the old location (oh noes).. By doing a 
> quick check you can update Rev's pointer to the file:
>
>   if (the fileName of this stack <> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the 
> windowID of this stack)) then
>     set the fileName of this stack to ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the 
> windowID of this stack)
>   end if
>
> Hopefully you are as excited by this release as I am :-)
>
>
>
> -Sean
> http://shaosean.tk/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 21 10:11:15 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:11:15 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
References: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <A8F64B83-28AA-417E-AE3B-89F7461E82DE@numericable.com>

Hello,
What is 4.5 version I have only 4.0 version of RunRev ?!
Ren?

Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 16:07, Shao Sean a ?crit :

> I would like to start this announcement off thanking, once again, Malte Pfaff-Brill and Trevor DeVore for the help in getting some broken code working :-)
> 
> 
> * Hot Keys and Volume events now work in all versions of Rev from 2.8 up to 4.5
> 
> * Can invert the display's colour palette (I don't know why, but it is there anyways :)
> 
> * Add the toolbar blob to the window frame (as well as remove it)
> 
> * Get the proxy icon file path [see below]
> 
> * Some code clean up
> 
> * Removal of two deprecated commands
> 
> * Price is now 15 CAD  (my financial guru told me to raise it)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Get the proxy icon file path
> ----------------------------
> While most people are probably excited about the toolbar blob, this is the one the addition I like the most and if you deal with document-based applications (using stacks as the documents) you will probably like this too..
> 
> If you set the proxy icon based on the file path to your stack:
> 
>  ssSetWindowProxyIcon the windowID of this stack, the fileName of this stack
> 
> you can use the new external function:
> 
>  ssGetWindoeProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
> 
> to get the file path of the stack.. Now this may not seem like a big thing, but if the end user moves the stack file in the Finder, and for you Rev 2.8 people, if the end user uses the proxy icon to move the file Rev still thinks it is in the old location (oh noes).. By doing a quick check you can update Rev's pointer to the file:
> 
>  if (the fileName of this stack <> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)) then
>    set the fileName of this stack to ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
>  end if
> 
> Hopefully you are as excited by this release as I am :-)
> 
> 
> 
> -Sean
> http://shaosean.tk/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 21 10:12:49 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:12:49 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
Message-ID: <5C5114AF-B98B-48BA-9B31-D328888C7C7F@wehostmacs.com>

> RunRev 4.5 . . . really? obviously I HAVE been asleep.

If you spend time in the BugZilla you will see that there is a 4.5- 
dp-1 test version..


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 21 10:12:54 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:12:54 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
References: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <A61441E3-5CB6-4981-8A3D-94A5D9126F51@numericable.com>

What is CAD ?

Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 16:07, Shao Sean a ?crit :

> I would like to start this announcement off thanking, once again, Malte Pfaff-Brill and Trevor DeVore for the help in getting some broken code working :-)
> 
> 
> * Hot Keys and Volume events now work in all versions of Rev from 2.8 up to 4.5
> 
> * Can invert the display's colour palette (I don't know why, but it is there anyways :)
> 
> * Add the toolbar blob to the window frame (as well as remove it)
> 
> * Get the proxy icon file path [see below]
> 
> * Some code clean up
> 
> * Removal of two deprecated commands
> 
> * Price is now 15 CAD  (my financial guru told me to raise it)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Get the proxy icon file path
> ----------------------------
> While most people are probably excited about the toolbar blob, this is the one the addition I like the most and if you deal with document-based applications (using stacks as the documents) you will probably like this too..
> 
> If you set the proxy icon based on the file path to your stack:
> 
>  ssSetWindowProxyIcon the windowID of this stack, the fileName of this stack
> 
> you can use the new external function:
> 
>  ssGetWindoeProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
> 
> to get the file path of the stack.. Now this may not seem like a big thing, but if the end user moves the stack file in the Finder, and for you Rev 2.8 people, if the end user uses the proxy icon to move the file Rev still thinks it is in the old location (oh noes).. By doing a quick check you can update Rev's pointer to the file:
> 
>  if (the fileName of this stack <> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)) then
>    set the fileName of this stack to ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
>  end if
> 
> Hopefully you are as excited by this release as I am :-)
> 
> 
> 
> -Sean
> http://shaosean.tk/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan 21 10:15:33 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:15:33 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <A61441E3-5CB6-4981-8A3D-94A5D9126F51@numericable.com>
References: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
	<A61441E3-5CB6-4981-8A3D-94A5D9126F51@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <43233ACA-D1D7-44F4-9329-8141F4F1C30A@major.on-rev.com>

Bonjour Ren?,

> What is CAD ?

= Computer Aided Design!

But in this case it is more likely CAnadian Dollars :-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 10:16:09 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:16:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <A8F64B83-28AA-417E-AE3B-89F7461E82DE@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <380432.50702.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

revEnterprise 4.5 is currently in developer preview. Access to prereleases is one of the perks of buying the Enterprise edition. So you won't see an 'update download' window until the developer preview is extended to revMedia/revStudio.

Hope this clarified the number thing,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


PS: wonderful external - I'm looking forward to incorporating it in my projects...



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> From: Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:11 AM
> Hello,
> What is 4.5 version I have only 4.0 version of RunRev ?!
> Ren?
> 
> Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 16:07, Shao Sean a ?crit :
> 
> > I would like to start this announcement off thanking,
> once again, Malte Pfaff-Brill and Trevor DeVore for the help
> in getting some broken code working :-)
> > 
> > 
> > * Hot Keys and Volume events now work in all versions
> of Rev from 2.8 up to 4.5
> > 
> > * Can invert the display's colour palette (I don't
> know why, but it is there anyways :)
> > 
> > * Add the toolbar blob to the window frame (as well as
> remove it)
> > 
> > * Get the proxy icon file path [see below]
> > 
> > * Some code clean up
> > 
> > * Removal of two deprecated commands
> > 
> > * Price is now 15 CAD? (my financial guru told me
> to raise it)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Get the proxy icon file path
> > ----------------------------
> > While most people are probably excited about the
> toolbar blob, this is the one the addition I like the most
> and if you deal with document-based applications (using
> stacks as the documents) you will probably like this too..
> > 
> > If you set the proxy icon based on the file path to
> your stack:
> > 
> >? ssSetWindowProxyIcon the windowID of this stack,
> the fileName of this stack
> > 
> > you can use the new external function:
> > 
> >? ssGetWindoeProxyIconPath(the windowID of this
> stack)
> > 
> > to get the file path of the stack.. Now this may not
> seem like a big thing, but if the end user moves the stack
> file in the Finder, and for you Rev 2.8 people, if the end
> user uses the proxy icon to move the file Rev still thinks
> it is in the old location (oh noes).. By doing a quick check
> you can update Rev's pointer to the file:
> > 
> >? if (the fileName of this stack <>
> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)) then
> >? ? set the fileName of this stack to
> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
> >? end if
> > 
> > Hopefully you are as excited by this release as I am
> :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Sean
> > http://shaosean.tk/
> > 


      



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 21 10:16:09 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:16:09 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
Message-ID: <76685E56-455E-4A06-8F02-1D5B7D166C25@wehostmacs.com>

> What is CAD ?

Canadian Dollars (basically this makes it cheap for anyone other than  
Canadians ;-)  CAD is some international standard way of writing it  
(USD = US Dollars, etc)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_dollar   for more information  
about our colourful money :D


From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Jan 21 10:07:25 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:07:25 +0100
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B57AAB7.4020604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0624080fc77d5282c834@[192.168.1.94]>
	<4B57AAB7.4020604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06240807c77e1d3c9ae2@[192.168.1.94]>

On 20.01.10 at 19:15 -0600 J. Landman Gay apparently wrote:
>Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>
>>I would second what Richard wrote. With that many objects, there 
>>must be patterns so only a few central scripts are probably needed. 
>>In some projects, I used naming scheme to handle this. In others, I 
>>used custom properties in each object. Sometimes grouping comes in 
>>play, as Mark suggests.
>
>There is a main stack with three (all different) cards, and 17 
>one-card substacks. Two of the substacks are very similar, each with 
>110 controls. I can share those two scripts. The rest of the stacks 
>are each a separate template that displays data in different 
>layouts. Those all have to be resized individually. I've eliminated 
>six substacks, such as the preferences substack, which can be 
>enlarged just once during development and remain static. But the 943 
>count doesn't include those stacks.

There must be some logic to arrange the objects. May be you could 
work on a card level. I am using such an approach in one of my new 
projects -- each card and each bg group has its own handler for 
arranging their objects (upon resizestack and preopencard), with a 
few common action handlers sitting at the stack level.

Robert


From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Jan 21 10:11:21 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:11:21 +0100
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <p06240808c77e1e91eae4@[192.168.1.94]>

On 21.01.10 at 21:56 +0900 Tim Selander apparently wrote:
>Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't 
>figured out how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local time 
>via javascript, but don't know how to pass it to the revlet 
>(actually, it seems I have my terms wrong, typical for a newbie... 
>I'm trying to script this all in an .irev file on my on-rev account.)
>
>Someone mentioned cookies, which seems like a logical method -- now 
>to learn how to make and read cookies!
>
>Tim Selander
>Tokyo, Japan

Are your family members login in in any way? Presumably there is some 
access protection. If so, time zone could be part of the user account 
data. You would not care then what time user computer has (and 
whether it is set correctly).

Robert


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 21 10:17:46 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:17:46 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <43233ACA-D1D7-44F4-9329-8141F4F1C30A@major.on-rev.com>
References: <AD3BAC26-EDAE-401E-A867-5E5D7F635BA3@wehostmacs.com>
	<A61441E3-5CB6-4981-8A3D-94A5D9126F51@numericable.com>
	<43233ACA-D1D7-44F4-9329-8141F4F1C30A@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <774D53BF-7FA7-49E4-8107-9091014E0F9A@numericable.com>

Danke !

Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 16:15, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Bonjour Ren?,
> 
>> What is CAD ?
> 
> = Computer Aided Design!
> 
> But in this case it is more likely CAnadian Dollars :-)
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 21 10:18:19 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:19 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
In-Reply-To: <380432.50702.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <380432.50702.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17D6A158-C3ED-424C-94BB-452122696E67@numericable.com>

Thank you !

Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 16:16, Jan Schenkel a ?crit :

> revEnterprise 4.5 is currently in developer preview. Access to prereleases is one of the perks of buying the Enterprise edition. So you won't see an 'update download' window until the developer preview is extended to revMedia/revStudio.
> 
> Hope this clarified the number thing,
> 
> Jan Schenkel
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> PS: wonderful external - I'm looking forward to incorporating it in my projects...
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.0
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:11 AM
>> Hello,
>> What is 4.5 version I have only 4.0 version of RunRev ?!
>> Ren?
>> 
>> Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 16:07, Shao Sean a ?crit :
>> 
>>> I would like to start this announcement off thanking,
>> once again, Malte Pfaff-Brill and Trevor DeVore for the help
>> in getting some broken code working :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * Hot Keys and Volume events now work in all versions
>> of Rev from 2.8 up to 4.5
>>> 
>>> * Can invert the display's colour palette (I don't
>> know why, but it is there anyways :)
>>> 
>>> * Add the toolbar blob to the window frame (as well as
>> remove it)
>>> 
>>> * Get the proxy icon file path [see below]
>>> 
>>> * Some code clean up
>>> 
>>> * Removal of two deprecated commands
>>> 
>>> * Price is now 15 CAD  (my financial guru told me
>> to raise it)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Get the proxy icon file path
>>> ----------------------------
>>> While most people are probably excited about the
>> toolbar blob, this is the one the addition I like the most
>> and if you deal with document-based applications (using
>> stacks as the documents) you will probably like this too..
>>> 
>>> If you set the proxy icon based on the file path to
>> your stack:
>>> 
>>>   ssSetWindowProxyIcon the windowID of this stack,
>> the fileName of this stack
>>> 
>>> you can use the new external function:
>>> 
>>>   ssGetWindoeProxyIconPath(the windowID of this
>> stack)
>>> 
>>> to get the file path of the stack.. Now this may not
>> seem like a big thing, but if the end user moves the stack
>> file in the Finder, and for you Rev 2.8 people, if the end
>> user uses the proxy icon to move the file Rev still thinks
>> it is in the old location (oh noes).. By doing a quick check
>> you can update Rev's pointer to the file:
>>> 
>>>   if (the fileName of this stack <>
>> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)) then
>>>     set the fileName of this stack to
>> ssGetWindowProxyIconPath(the windowID of this stack)
>>>   end if
>>> 
>>> Hopefully you are as excited by this release as I am
>> :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> http://shaosean.tk/
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 21 10:36:54 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:36:54 -0800
Subject: A problem with replicating a subgroup
Message-ID: <4B587496.8020608@fourthworld.com>

Alistair wrote:
...
> The problem is this. All of the above works fine so long as I don't scroll
> to the bottom of the group, so that the last replication is showing, before
> I press the "New Case Plan" button. If I do that the next replication is
> displaced well away from the previous one and is not the neat and tidy
> separation that I expected. If I keep on doing that the distance between
> replication becomes increasingly larger.
>
> I wonder if I have simply used a poor approach to the coding of this
> functionality and whether there is some simple and elegant approach that
> would also solve this "bad" behaviour.
>
> Or, is this a problem with having a scrolling group since the location of
> objects within this is likely to become a pretty complicated reference once
> you start to scroll.
>
> Your thoughts on this would be most welcome. If you could have a look at the
> problem in the stack on revOnline I would appreciate it.

Unfortunately I've had little luck with anything working well with 
RevOnline since v4 was released, so I haven't seen your stack.

I have three questions which may help diagnosis:

1. Are the lockLocs of the objects within the group set?

2. Are you accounting for the scroll of the containing group in the code 
that places the objects?

3. Is the total formattedHeight or formattedWidth of the group greater 
than 32765?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu Jan 21 10:37:38 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:37:38 +0100
Subject: A problem with replicating a subgroup
In-Reply-To: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9613BE8B-71B7-4281-9EF9-2CC3E05382AC@inria.fr>


Le 21 janv. 10 ? 13:28, planix a ?crit :

>
> Hi,
>
> The issue I have is a bit complicated to explain so I have uploaded an
> example stack ("A Group Replication Problem") to revOnline. You  
> should find
> it if you search for me or look for a stack tagged 'Test'.
>
> Basically, I have a scrolling group set up with a subgroup which I  
> want to
> be able to replicate as many times as I need. Each replication is  
> managed by
> a button ("New Case Plan") which clones the subgroup, changes some  
> custom
> properties, and then places the cloned subgroup a certain distance  
> beneath
> the previous subgroup. I can delete each replication in sequence  
> back to the
> first subgroup which is not deleteable as I use it as the 'template'  
> for
> replication.
>
> This all works fine. I can press the "New Case Plan" button as many  
> times as
> I like and all the replicant subgroups all line up nicely in the  
> scrolling
> group. I can also delete any new replicant as expected. So, what I  
> am saying
> is that the code works as expected. Though I am betting that it is  
> clumsy-
> so any thoughts on how to make the code itself more efficient or  
> elegant
> would be welcomed.
>
> The problem is this. All of the above works fine so long as I don't  
> scroll
> to the bottom of the group, so that the last replication is showing,  
> before
> I press the "New Case Plan" button. If I do that the next  
> replication is
> displaced well away from the previous one and is not the neat and tidy
> separation that I expected. If I keep on doing that the distance  
> between
> replication becomes increasingly larger.
Bonjour Alistair,
Try the following modifications to the script of button "New Client  
Plan"
-------------------------
   put the cpCurrentGrpNum of grp "grpCarePlan" into theNumber
    --set up to track and record the new subgroup location
    put item 1 of the cpCurrentGrpLoc of grp "grpCarePlan" into theLeft
    --add a constant displacement to the down item of loc to ensure  
the fields do not overlap
    put item 2 of the cpCurrentGrpLoc of grp "grpCarePlan" + 57 into  
theDown
    --make the copy of the orginal subgroup
    clone group "grpPlan1" --invisible group "grpPlan1" SEEMS THAT  
CLONING INVISIBLE IS NOT NECESSARY
    --note that cantDelete is set to true to stop this subgroup from  
being deleted by "btnDeletePlan"
    --need to change this so that all replicants can be deleted
    set the cantDelete of it to false
    --set the name and location of the replicant and then show it
    --------------------------------HERE ARE THE MODIF I AM SUGGESTING
    put "grpPlan" & theNumber into lastName
    put "grpPlan" & theNumber + 1 into newName
    set the name of it to newName
    set the topLeft of grp newName to the bottomLeft of grp lastName   
-- THIS IS THE PRINCIPAL MODIFICATION
    --------------------------------
    --set the name of it to "grpPlan" & theNumber +1
    --set the loc of it to theLeft, theDown
    set the cpCurrentGrpLoc of grp "grpCarePlan" to the loc of it
    --show it
    --update the property which keeps track of the number of replicants
    set the cpCurrentGrpNum of grp "grpCarePlan" to theNumber +1
---------------------------

Seems that it solves your problem: the next replication is not  
displaced any more)

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu Jan 21 11:01:06 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:01:06 +0100
Subject: A problem with replicating a subgroup
In-Reply-To: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B8A9FBC6-9FD4-4A05-B471-7F2E9BC48587@inria.fr>

Alistair,

After some more trials :

1 - I think you are right : clone invisible group "grpPlan1" (and then  
show it) is better.
2 - In the solution I suggested, the subgroup are more separated (the  
blank between 2 subgroups is higher).
If you find it is too much, you can reduce the margins of the subgroup  
model (the first one) in the "Text formatting" pane of the Inspector.

Best

Andr?






From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 21 11:14:23 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:14:23 -0200
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net> 
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net> 
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp> <p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>

I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does send time
information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer simply
ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all the headers
then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since and custom
headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to implement some
features because the headers are not available

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:

> On 21.01.10 at 21:56 +0900 Tim Selander apparently wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't figured out
>> how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local time via javascript, but
>> don't know how to pass it to the revlet (actually, it seems I have my terms
>> wrong, typical for a newbie... I'm trying to script this all in an .irev
>> file on my on-rev account.)
>>
>> Someone mentioned cookies, which seems like a logical method -- now to
>> learn how to make and read cookies!
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>
> Are your family members login in in any way? Presumably there is some
> access protection. If so, time zone could be part of the user account data.
> You would not care then what time user computer has (and whether it is set
> correctly).
>
> Robert
>
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-- 
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 11:37:25 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:37:25 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
	<7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB4680B3-0292-423A-A9D8-8F5876E1B173@yahoo.com>

I agree that with On-Rev using irev scripts, the HTTP headers is a  
definite weakness.

However, the On-Rev server account features that we have now allow for
   Rev CGI, which has the same header limitations, but stable code and  
capabilities
   PHP which does have the full range of header access/control

and the blending of userPage.php calling cgi and irev scripts (plus  
the cgi opening and using Rev stacks).

Remote servers can run both php and rev cgi, and call irev scripts to  
process data and return info.


My plans are to continue using all these tools with the foundational  
goal of writing code that will work well into the future.  This means  
mostly Rev cgi, with php, and very little irev scripting until we are  
beyond beta.  I am integrating assets located on several servers, so  
reliability is crucial.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:14 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does  
> send time
> information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer simply
> ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all the  
> headers
> then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since  
> and custom
> headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to  
> implement some
> features because the headers are not available
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> On 21.01.10 at 21:56 +0900 Tim Selander apparently wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't  
>>> figured out
>>> how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local time via  
>>> javascript, but
>>> don't know how to pass it to the revlet (actually, it seems I have  
>>> my terms
>>> wrong, typical for a newbie... I'm trying to script this all in  
>>> an .irev
>>> file on my on-rev account.)
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned cookies, which seems like a logical method --  
>>> now to
>>> learn how to make and read cookies!
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>
>> Are your family members login in in any way? Presumably there is some
>> access protection. If so, time zone could be part of the user  
>> account data.
>> You would not care then what time user computer has (and whether it  
>> is set
>> correctly).
>>
>> Robert



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jan 21 11:39:38 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:39:38 -0700
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
	<7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2093D3BC-D834-4CEC-898C-2DE6ACA2E146@byu.edu>

A few months back Mark Waddingham had an article in RevUp describing  
how to use a shell script to get the user's local time. If you knew  
where each user was located it might be a solution.

http://runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue71/newsletter2.php

Devin

On Jan 21, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does  
> send time
> information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer simply
> ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all the  
> headers
> then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since  
> and custom
> headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to  
> implement some
> features because the headers are not available
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> On 21.01.10 at 21:56 +0900 Tim Selander apparently wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't  
>>> figured out
>>> how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local time via  
>>> javascript, but
>>> don't know how to pass it to the revlet (actually, it seems I have  
>>> my terms
>>> wrong, typical for a newbie... I'm trying to script this all in  
>>> an .irev
>>> file on my on-rev account.)

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 21 12:08:59 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:08:59 +0100
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
	<7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A3B9702-9772-485D-B7B6-FC2CE3811AC9@free.fr>

Hi Andre and All,

Google Analytics use js+cookies to handle all the user's local dates  
tasks. Seems to meen that revServer is not the onest server-side  
engine to passtrough some env_vars ;-)

HTH,

Pierre

Le 21 janv. 10 ? 17:14, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does  
> send time
> information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer simply
> ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all the  
> headers
> then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since  
> and custom
> headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to  
> implement some
> features because the headers are not available
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> On 21.01.10 at 21:56 +0900 Tim Selander apparently wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't  
>>> figured out
>>> how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local time via  
>>> javascript, but
>>> don't know how to pass it to the revlet (actually, it seems I have  
>>> my terms
>>> wrong, typical for a newbie... I'm trying to script this all in  
>>> an .irev
>>> file on my on-rev account.)
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned cookies, which seems like a logical method --  
>>> now to
>>> learn how to make and read cookies!
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>
>> Are your family members login in in any way? Presumably there is some
>> access protection. If so, time zone could be part of the user  
>> account data.
>> You would not care then what time user computer has (and whether it  
>> is set
>> correctly).
>>
>> Robert
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 12:18:40 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:18:40 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
	<7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46386378-1CD2-469D-BF85-A2F968F5F1E4@yahoo.com>

If I were determined to make use of an irev script with an HTTP header  
that was unsupported by the irev engine,

I could create a userPage.php page that captured the header string(s)  
then called the irev script passing the params.  This address could be

myaccount.on-rev.com/userPage.php

I might use this to enhance the Rev cgi 3.5 Linux capabilities to use  
custom headers.
It won't work in reverse since every one of the (HTTP header data  
strings) needs to arrive in a php script.

so these would not do the trick
myaccount.on-rev.com/userPage.cgi
myaccount.on-rev.com/userPage.irev

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:14 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does  
> send time
> information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer simply
> ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all the  
> headers
> then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since  
> and custom
> headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to  
> implement some
> features because the headers are not available
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> On 21.01.10 at 21:56 +0900 Tim Selander apparently wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark - yep, that is exactly what I want to do, but haven't  
>>> figured out
>>> how yet. I have learned how to get the user's local time via  
>>> javascript, but
>>> don't know how to pass it to the revlet (actually, it seems I have  
>>> my terms
>>> wrong, typical for a newbie... I'm trying to script this all in  
>>> an .irev
>>> file on my on-rev account.)
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned cookies, which seems like a logical method --  
>>> now to
>>> learn how to make and read cookies!
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>
>> Are your family members login in in any way? Presumably there is some
>> access protection. If so, time zone could be part of the user  
>> account data.
>> You would not care then what time user computer has (and whether it  
>> is set
>> correctly).
>>
>> Robert
>>



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 12:28:02 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:28:02 -0800
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <6A3B9702-9772-485D-B7B6-FC2CE3811AC9@free.fr>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
	<7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6A3B9702-9772-485D-B7B6-FC2CE3811AC9@free.fr>
Message-ID: <77FD00A3-4FC2-4DBE-BF52-7927A1E24ABE@yahoo.com>


On Jan 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Hi Andre and All,
>
> Google Analytics use js+cookies to handle all the user's local dates  
> tasks. Seems to meen that revServer is not the onest server-side  
> engine to passtrough some env_vars ;-)
>

True, but that again is using cookies in the traditional way, as long  
as the user allows cookies.  The web page author programs using some  
code that reads/writes cookies (data to the user hard drive), thus the  
server tries to use cookies, and the user can set limits or disallow  
their use.  Many corporations disallow.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

>
> Le 21 janv. 10 ? 17:14, Andre Garzia a ?crit :
>
>> I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does  
>> send time
>> information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer simply
>> ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all the  
>> headers
>> then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since  
>> and custom
>> headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to  
>> implement some
>> features because the headers are not available
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robe







From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Thu Jan 21 12:34:55 2010
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (dam-pro.girard at laposte.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:34:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001201520v67210fe4oa701c028572b6cb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<-6587167842273004894@unknownmsgid>
	<e5e009d71001201520v67210fe4oa701c028572b6cb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30407519.6078.1264095295507.JavaMail.www@wwinf8216>

It is planned, wait and see... ;)
> Message du 21/01/10 00:20
> De : "stephen barncard" 
> A : "How to use Revolution" 
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: Geometry manager
>
> 
> Perhaps you can offer it as a separate product?
> 
> 
> 2010/1/20 Damien Girard 
> 
> >
> >
> > And what I have to say, is that I re-wrote it entirely for NativeSpeak 2.0,
> > and it is just awesome... (the ease of use + the resizing speed like if you
> > wrote your own script + cross-platform + localizable). You will see in few
> > months !
> >
> >
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 

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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:02:55 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:02:55 -0600
Subject: SQL/MySQL Database Question
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001211102h62039fder56ab422ade5fc8e5@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to get the number of records that exist in 1 tables that do not
exist in another table.  Looking online, I saw an example of a
SELECT....WHERE NOT EXISTS.

I have a two questions:

1) Does RR handle the scenario below?  For some reason I am getting a
error around the "not exists (select * from" when I try to run this.

2) Is there a better way to do this?

put revQueryDatabase (gConID, "SELECT Brand_URL, Product_URL, Product_Name,
Product_UOM, Product_Retail, Product_Price, Product_Image,
Product_Description, from products where not exists (select * from
z-products where brand_url = z_brand_url and brand_name = z_brand_name and
product_url = z_product_url and product_name = z_product_name and
product_uom = z_product_uom)") into tNotExists

put revNumberofRecords(tNotExists) into vRecNo

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 21 14:15:56 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:15:56 -0800
Subject: folder or bundle
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001211115r2d34ff68r3b5703bf1cccfc96@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again everyone,

How does one detect the 'bundle-ness' of an OSX folder in Rev (desktop)
script?

I need to filter out apps and other bundle files in a drag and drop
operation.


thanks in advance.
sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 21 14:21:10 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:21:10 +0100
Subject: Getting user's time from web revlet?
In-Reply-To: <77FD00A3-4FC2-4DBE-BF52-7927A1E24ABE@yahoo.com>
References: <4B547DFD.70607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<7c87a2a11001180737j91bf02cv6d8576f1a7a28dba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55C1C6.7050009@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<f99b52861001201804w652ec08eo74ddde9795872c9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DF99D5-0F81-4C99-9C92-02C3AF715713@yahoo.com>
	<192469363421.20100120185154@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57D138.8090607@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<43474117859.20100120201109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B584F03.8000407@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<p06240808c77e1e91eae4@192.168.1.94>
	<7c87a2a11001210814l7eb25433u423524b5546263a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6A3B9702-9772-485D-B7B6-FC2CE3811AC9@free.fr>
	<77FD00A3-4FC2-4DBE-BF52-7927A1E24ABE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A613145F-89FD-4BA1-9E9B-79072503EE30@free.fr>

Jim,

in this case, Sarah's way wins and David Beck's CallPHP 1.5 lib sould  
be usable too (http://www.rotundasoftware.com/rev/)

Le 21 janv. 10 ? 03:04, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tim Selander  
> <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>> Thanks for clearing up the .irev/revlet confusion in my head.
>>
>> I've read through the thread a couple times... and it seems you  
>> CANNOT get
>> the user/browser's date and time through RevServer scripts. Correct?
>>
>> Anyone have a javascript snippet they like to use to get the user's  
>> date and
>> time? thanks.
>
> As far as I know, the JavaScript Date object gives the browser's  
> date & time.
> Here is a routine I have to showing a time stamp:
>
> function showTimeStamp() {
> 	  // show the current date & time in the divider bar
> 		var date = new Date();
> 		var m = date.getMinutes();
> 		var s = date.getSeconds();
> 		// add a zero in front of numbers < 10
> 		if (m < 10) { m = "0" + m; }
> 		if (s < 10) { s = "0" + s; }
>
> 		// format into "d/m/yyyy        h:mm:ss"
> 		var currentDate = 	date.getDate() + "/" +
> 						(date.getMonth() + 1) + "/" +
> 						date.getFullYear() + "        " +
> 						date.getHours() + ":" + m + ":" + s;
>
> 		$('#timestamp').text("Last step: " + currentDate);
> }
>
>
> The last line uses jQuery to display the time stamp in the tag with
> the id "timestamp", but you can also use straight JavaScript:
> 		document.getElementById("timestamp").innerHTML = currentDate;
>
> Note that I have the date formatted in the English/Australian style
> (d/m/y), so swap the segments around if you want American dates.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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Le 21 janv. 10 ? 18:28, Jim Ault a ?crit :

>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> Hi Andre and All,
>>
>> Google Analytics use js+cookies to handle all the user's local  
>> dates tasks. Seems to meen that revServer is not the onest server- 
>> side engine to passtrough some env_vars ;-)
>>
>
> True, but that again is using cookies in the traditional way, as  
> long as the user allows cookies.  The web page author programs using  
> some code that reads/writes cookies (data to the user hard drive),  
> thus the server tries to use cookies, and the user can set limits or  
> disallow their use.  Many corporations disallow.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>>
>> Le 21 janv. 10 ? 17:14, Andre Garzia a ?crit :
>>
>>> I think the important part of this thread is that the browser does  
>>> send time
>>> information in the form of an HTTP Date header which RevServer  
>>> simply
>>> ignores. I want all the headers available, if we don't have all  
>>> the headers
>>> then we'll loose some information such as ETag, if-modified-since  
>>> and custom
>>> headers sent by some applications. It will me impossible to  
>>> implement some
>>> features because the headers are not available
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robe
>
>
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Thu Jan 21 14:35:47 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:35:47 -0400
Subject: SQL/MySQL Database Question
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001211102h62039fder56ab422ade5fc8e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001211102h62039fder56ab422ade5fc8e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a91001211135i51891c84yf1375176c39ee535@mail.gmail.com>

Did you try running your query in a SQL utility first?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am trying to get the number of records that exist in 1 tables that do not
> exist in another table.  Looking online, I saw an example of a
> SELECT....WHERE NOT EXISTS.
>
> I have a two questions:
>
> 1) Does RR handle the scenario below?  For some reason I am getting a
> error around the "not exists (select * from" when I try to run this.
>
> 2) Is there a better way to do this?
>
> put revQueryDatabase (gConID, "SELECT Brand_URL, Product_URL, Product_Name,
> Product_UOM, Product_Retail, Product_Price, Product_Image,
> Product_Description, from products where not exists (select * from
> z-products where brand_url = z_brand_url and brand_name = z_brand_name and
> product_url = z_product_url and product_name = z_product_name and
> product_uom = z_product_uom)") into tNotExists
>
> put revNumberofRecords(tNotExists) into vRecNo
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 21 14:53:27 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:53:27 -0500
Subject: Question on RevMobile
Message-ID: <9b408d8e1001211153j71a1bdd2h85b2c5228b5e1f15@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't tried this, but I have some folks here who have iPhone Touches.
 So, are we going to be able to deploy for them as well?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
  and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:57:59 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:57:59 -0600
Subject: SQL/MySQL Database Question
In-Reply-To: <459b22a91001211135i51891c84yf1375176c39ee535@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001211102h62039fder56ab422ade5fc8e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<459b22a91001211135i51891c84yf1375176c39ee535@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001211157wcfab15eref3b0b0b97b4e18d@mail.gmail.com>

William,

Thanks for the suggestion!  It was an error in my SQL which I fixed.

Warren

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:35 PM, william humphrey <
bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> Did you try running your query in a SQL utility first?
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to get the number of records that exist in 1 tables that do
> not
> > exist in another table.  Looking online, I saw an example of a
> > SELECT....WHERE NOT EXISTS.
> >
> > I have a two questions:
> >
> > 1) Does RR handle the scenario below?  For some reason I am getting a
> > error around the "not exists (select * from" when I try to run this.
> >
> > 2) Is there a better way to do this?
> >
> > put revQueryDatabase (gConID, "SELECT Brand_URL, Product_URL,
> Product_Name,
> > Product_UOM, Product_Retail, Product_Price, Product_Image,
> > Product_Description, from products where not exists (select * from
> > z-products where brand_url = z_brand_url and brand_name = z_brand_name
> and
> > product_url = z_product_url and product_name = z_product_name and
> > product_uom = z_product_uom)") into tNotExists
> >
> > put revNumberofRecords(tNotExists) into vRecNo
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> > Warren
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 21 15:01:41 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:01:41 -0800
Subject: Question on RevMobile
Message-ID: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>

Mike Kerner wrtote:
> I haven't tried this, but I have some folks here who have iPhone Touches.
>  So, are we going to be able to deploy for them as well?

The current shipping Rev engine will not run on iPhones.

I've not heard any public commitment to the iPhone platform from RunRev, 
but there have been a lot of requests for it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 15:04:33 2010
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:04:33 -0500
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e1001211204k53498e1cu64d82132f89b4064@mail.gmail.com>

I see that, but with the announcement of RevMobile, I was wondering aloud if
it will also deploy to the Touch


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
  and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jan 21 15:05:07 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:05:07 -0800
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7C8182EF-521C-4F95-A2D8-1B3C28A04FB0@qldlearning.com>

Richard,

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/january/issue85/newsletter1.php?id=NW085S38885

> Mike Kerner wrtote:
>> I haven't tried this, but I have some folks here who have iPhone  
>> Touches.
>> So, are we going to be able to deploy for them as well?
>
> The current shipping Rev engine will not run on iPhones.
>
> I've not heard any public commitment to the iPhone platform from  
> RunRev, but there have been a lot of requests for it.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv





From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Jan 21 15:16:27 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:16:27 -0500
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <7C8182EF-521C-4F95-A2D8-1B3C28A04FB0@qldlearning.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
	<7C8182EF-521C-4F95-A2D8-1B3C28A04FB0@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <0382497F-BD21-473B-9D8E-BC2BA1CF0B9D@verizon.net>


On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> 
> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/january/issue85/newsletter1.php?id=NW085S38885


I wonder if the name revMobile will cause any confusion, and people might think it's the RevMobile email service.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 21 15:19:22 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:19:22 -0800
Subject: Question on RevMobile
Message-ID: <4B58B6CA.3030200@fourthworld.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:

> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/january/issue85/newsletter1.php?id=NW085S38885

Thanks.  Good to see they've finally gone public with that.

I'd read the newsletters more often if I could find them more easily, 
but looking at the front page of the web site I can't find a link or 
even a menu item.  Did I miss it, or it is buried deeper somewhere in 
the site?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jan 21 15:26:25 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:26:25 -0800
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <4B58B6CA.3030200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B58B6CA.3030200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <33EEB32D-5623-4B66-B220-5E95762422FF@qldlearning.com>

I received it by email and accessed it directly.

> Brian Yennie wrote:
>
>> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/january/issue85/newsletter1.php?id=NW085S38885
>
> Thanks.  Good to see they've finally gone public with that.
>
> I'd read the newsletters more often if I could find them more  
> easily, but looking at the front page of the web site I can't find a  
> link or even a menu item.  Did I miss it, or it is buried deeper  
> somewhere in the site?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 21 15:30:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:30:49 -0600
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <4B58B6CA.3030200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B58B6CA.3030200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B58B979.9010209@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'd read the newsletters more often if I could find them more easily, 
> but looking at the front page of the web site I can't find a link or 
> even a menu item.  Did I miss it, or it is buried deeper somewhere in 
> the site?

It's in the Developers section.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 21 15:31:46 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:31:46 -0600
Subject: folder or bundle
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001211115r2d34ff68r3b5703bf1cccfc96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001211115r2d34ff68r3b5703bf1cccfc96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B58B9B2.6070907@hyperactivesw.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> Hi again everyone,
> 
> How does one detect the 'bundle-ness' of an OSX folder in Rev (desktop)
> script?
> 
> I need to filter out apps and other bundle files in a drag and drop
> operation.

I believe all bundles contain a file named "PkgInfo" at the top level of 
the bundle folder. You could check for that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jan 21 15:46:23 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:46:23 +0100
Subject: [ANN] New Software made with rev. diabasics
In-Reply-To: <20100121180005.0CBD52888C7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100121180005.0CBD52888C7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7697CF5C-5C13-4C5F-9586-4E09712BA095@derbrill.de>

Hi fellow listas,

some of you might have noticed I wasn?t that active recently on the lists.
Here is the way. My company was working very hard on a new application I am proud to announce 
today. :-) Even though it is not directly development related, I might turn the development process into
a case study at some point soon, as it has been rather interesting.

What is it?

diabasics is a diabetes management program.

It keeps track of your blood glucose levels, the food you have eaten and, if you are insulin dependent
suggests the amount of Insulin for you to inject, based on your diabetic profile. It sports a huge food 
database, based on the USDAs nutrition database. If you monitor your blood glucose, it can remember 
which finger you pricked last, to help your fingers remain sensible as long as possible.

Even if you do not have diabetes, it might be worth a look, as I think we made it pretty sexy. :-)

http://www.derbrill.de/diabasics

As usual, I would not have managed this alone, so thanks to all the guys who have helped out,
especially Andre for twitter integration and the guy who?s name I am forbidden to tell on the list
(don?t ask, I do not get it either). Well, you know how you are. You?re da man.

Now I am putting on the party hat, errrrrrr write press releases.

all the best,

Malte

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 21 15:51:10 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:51:10 -0800
Subject: folder or bundle
Message-ID: <4B58BE3E.5040004@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>> Hi again everyone,
>>
>> How does one detect the 'bundle-ness' of an OSX folder in Rev (desktop)
>> script?
>>
>> I need to filter out apps and other bundle files in a drag and drop
>> operation.
>
> I believe all bundles contain a file named "PkgInfo" at the top level of
> the bundle folder. You could check for that.

If memory serves I've removed the Pkg.info file from standalones and 
they continue to be see by the Finder as bundles.

This ADC page describes the ways bundles are identified:

--------------------------------------------------------------

How the System Identifies Bundles and Packages

The Finder considers a directory to be a package if any of the following 
conditions are true:

     * The directory has a known filename extension: .app,
       .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on.

     * The directory has an extension that some other application
       claims represents a package type; see ?Document Packages.?

     * The directory has its package bit set.


<http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/AboutBundles/AboutBundles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/10000123i-CH100-SW1>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Thu Jan 21 16:15:37 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:15:37 +0100
Subject: Partner Program [was: Question on RevMobile]
In-Reply-To: <33EEB32D-5623-4B66-B220-5E95762422FF@qldlearning.com>
References: <4B58B6CA.3030200@fourthworld.com>
	<33EEB32D-5623-4B66-B220-5E95762422FF@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <7C98A07B-6FB2-4F47-BD3B-2B8CA6991CB8@unil.ch>


Le 21 janv. 2010 ? 21:26, Brian Yennie a ?crit :

> I received it by email and accessed it directly.
> 


An I also received today an E-Mail advertising the RunRev Partner Program. I wonder... could it be something valuable (and affordable - they don't speak so much about the cost) for somebody like me, retired, developing little-to-medium freeware applications for researchers in biology and/or for students (and for fun) ? I have the feeling it's mostly for people earning their living with RunRev, but they say "no project is too small [...] for our team."
I'm also a bit afraid that such a development will remove some of the spice and attractiveness of this list... if everybody turns toward his own and personal guru at RunRev, I'll miss the desperate calls for help, the very useful solutions and the warm discussions here...
If somebody already knows this Partner Program from inside, many thanks for your advice.

Jacques

******************************************
Prof. Jacques Hausser
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 21 16:39:53 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:39:53 -0800
Subject: folder or bundle
In-Reply-To: <4B58BE3E.5040004@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B58BE3E.5040004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001211339w4c3c42e6mfd8dca450064f33f@mail.gmail.com>

thank you, Jacque and Richard...

sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/21 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>  stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi again everyone,
>>>
>>> How does one detect the 'bundle-ness' of an OSX folder in Rev (desktop)
>>> script?
>>>
>>> I need to filter out apps and other bundle files in a drag and drop
>>> operation.
>>>
>>
>> I believe all bundles contain a file named "PkgInfo" at the top level of
>> the bundle folder. You could check for that.
>>
>
> If memory serves I've removed the Pkg.info file from standalones and they
> continue to be see by the Finder as bundles.
>
> This ADC page describes the ways bundles are identified:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> How the System Identifies Bundles and Packages
>
> The Finder considers a directory to be a package if any of the following
> conditions are true:
>
>    * The directory has a known filename extension: .app,
>      .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on.
>
>    * The directory has an extension that some other application
>      claims represents a package type; see ?Document Packages.?
>
>    * The directory has its package bit set.
>
>
> <
> http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/AboutBundles/AboutBundles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/10000123i-CH100-SW1
> >
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 21 16:45:47 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:45:47 -0800
Subject: Partner Program [was: Question on RevMobile]
Message-ID: <4B58CB0B.2020809@fourthworld.com>

Jacques Hausser wrote:

 > An I also received today an E-Mail advertising the RunRev Partner
 > Program. I wonder... could it be something valuable (and affordable -
 > they don't speak so much about the cost) for somebody like me,
 > retired, developing little-to-medium freeware applications for
 > researchers in biology and/or for students (and for fun) ? I have
 > the feeling it's mostly for people earning their living with RunRev,
 > but they say "no project is too small [...] for our team."
 > I'm also a bit afraid that such a development will remove some of
 > the spice and attractiveness of this list... if everybody turns
 > toward his own and personal guru at RunRev, I'll miss the desperate
 > calls for help, the very useful solutions and the warm discussions
 > here...
 > If somebody already knows this Partner Program from inside, many
 > thanks for your advice.

It would be good to have someone from the RunRev team here to clarify 
that.  I've read that email and the page it points to twice, and I'm 
still not exactly sure what's being offered.

I don't think you need to worry about this list, though.  At least I 
hope not.  RunRev has been in direct competition with the consulting 
developer segment of its user base for years, and fortunately they've 
put enough of the proceeds from that work into marketing that I've seen 
no downturn in work coming in.

It's hard to say what the impact of this new Partner Program will be 
without knowing what it actually is, but I suspect (hope) that it won't 
erode consulting opportunities which afford us the luxury of spending 
time here.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 16:50:05 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:50:05 +1000
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1001211153j71a1bdd2h85b2c5228b5e1f15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e1001211153j71a1bdd2h85b2c5228b5e1f15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001211350q71a67eb3pdd7ecee7b8aa03de@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I haven't tried this, but I have some folks here who have iPhone Touches.
> ?So, are we going to be able to deploy for them as well?

When using Apple's development tools, there is effectively no
difference between the iPhone & the iPod touch. Obviously you cannot
access hardware that isn't there e.g. camera & GPS, but apart from
that, they are the same.

There is one wrinkle - iPhones get free software updates but iPod
touches have to pay for the major upgrades. This means that while you
can pretty much rely on all iPhones running iPhone OS 3, there will
still be lots of iPod touches running 2.x.

Cheers,
Sarah


From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Thu Jan 21 16:50:26 2010
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:50:26 +0100
Subject: Little poll about Revolution script editor
Message-ID: <000201ca9ae3$be4fb970$3aef2c50$@girard@laposte.net>


Dear Revolution users,

I have a little question to ask to you before filling an enhancement
request.

Many of you have bought the Revolution Megabundle, and so anybody that
bought it have NativeDoc, and I really recommend to use it as it was made to
increase code reuse and make easier the understanding of your source code.

For those that have NativeDoc and do not know what this tool do:
- NativeDoc is a documentation system for Runtime Revolution.

It is used by Trevor Devore, and by many other users:
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/docs/sql_yoga/api_docs/Documents
/stack_libSQLYoga.htm
http://www.dam-pro.com/nativedoc

------------------------------------------------

So what I wanted to ask you, do you prefer to have documentation block (and
not block comment) to be displayed in italic ?

The new color scheme introduced in Rev 3.0 made that all block comments are
in italic, what I would have is to have block comment in italic, and
NativeDoc (Doxygen/JavaDoc) block comment not displayed in italic.

A Doxygen/JavaDoc block comment is one of the following:
/**
* Notice "/**"
*/

Or 

/*!
* Notice "/*!"
*/

And more (see NativeDoc documentation for all supported block type).

So, what do you think about that and do you prefer ? Italic or not ?

Kind Regards,

Damien Girard
Dam-pro, France




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 21 17:08:38 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:08:38 -0800
Subject: Little poll about Revolution script editor
In-Reply-To: <2213512527166291582@unknownmsgid>
References: <2213512527166291582@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001211408k79ad95b3g7791e0fcdaaacd17@mail.gmail.com>

Well, there are options for users to consider as well, included in the same
bundle you just spoke about.

Jerry Daniels'  tRev does not italicize comments, only colors them, and has
other formatting features not offered in the IDE editor that you might
consider. A lot of people are using this alternative editor, and I wonder
how your product works with it. It will be interesting to hear from Jerry on
this.

As far as the IDE editor, there are far more tweaks than just comments that
should be addressed. Right now there is no way to easily customize the IDE
code color scheme  - I have a vision problem and use a 'Chalkboard' motif
using an 'almost black' grey background with bright text colors on top in 17
point text. This combination cannot be done in the IDE editor, but is
standard in tRev. But I digress. Again.


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/21 Damien Girard <dam-pro.girard at laposte.net>

>
> Dear Revolution users,
>
> I have a little question to ask to you before filling an enhancement
> request.
>
> Many of you have bought the Revolution Megabundle, and so anybody that
> bought it have NativeDoc, and I really recommend to use it as it was made
> to
> increase code reuse and make easier the understanding of your source code.
>
> For those that have NativeDoc and do not know what this tool do:
> - NativeDoc is a documentation system for Runtime Revolution.
>
> It is used by Trevor Devore, and by many other users:
>
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/docs/sql_yoga/api_docs/Documents
> /stack_libSQLYoga.htm
> http://www.dam-pro.com/nativedoc
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> So what I wanted to ask you, do you prefer to have documentation block (and
> not block comment) to be displayed in italic ?
>
> The new color scheme introduced in Rev 3.0 made that all block comments are
> in italic, what I would have is to have block comment in italic, and
> NativeDoc (Doxygen/JavaDoc) block comment not displayed in italic.
>
> A Doxygen/JavaDoc block comment is one of the following:
> /**
> * Notice "/**"
> */
>
> Or
>
> /*!
> * Notice "/*!"
> */
>
> And more (see NativeDoc documentation for all supported block type).
>
> So, what do you think about that and do you prefer ? Italic or not ?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Damien Girard
> Dam-pro, France
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 21 18:06:55 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:06:55 -0500
Subject: Little poll about Revolution script editor
Message-ID: <DD0190D1-000A-4850-A277-8071DF2D93D5@wehostmacs.com>

> Right now there is no way to easily customize the IDE code color  
> scheme - I have a vision problem and use a 'Chalkboard' motif using  
> an 'almost black' grey background with bright text colors on top in  
> 17 point text. This combination cannot be done in the IDE editor,

Actually the Rev engine has the ability to handle custom colour  
schemes and I made a small plugin to enhance the IDE to allow you  
create your own schemes (and seeing as they are just plain text file,  
you can easily share them through email with others)..
http://shaosean.tk/pluginScriptColourEditor.html
-Sean


From dr.alistair at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 18:12:10 2010
From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:12:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A problem with replicating a subgroup
In-Reply-To: <B8A9FBC6-9FD4-4A05-B471-7F2E9BC48587@inria.fr>
References: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<B8A9FBC6-9FD4-4A05-B471-7F2E9BC48587@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <1264115530561-1068959.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Andre,

The mod that you suggested, setting the topleft of the new to the bottom
left of the old worked perfectly. Just the way I want it to. Thanks very
much for that.

Alistair
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/A-problem-with-replicating-a-subgroup-tp1049682p1068959.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 21 18:48:57 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:48:57 -0800
Subject: Little poll about Revolution script editor
In-Reply-To: <DD0190D1-000A-4850-A277-8071DF2D93D5@wehostmacs.com>
References: <DD0190D1-000A-4850-A277-8071DF2D93D5@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001211548o49cb1f03j32faca5e9d80b2d@mail.gmail.com>

and the plugin can live in the 'user' plugin area, or does it have to be
installed in each version IDE?
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/21 Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com>

> Right now there is no way to easily customize the IDE code color scheme - I
>> have a vision problem and use a 'Chalkboard' motif using an 'almost black'
>> grey background with bright text colors on top in 17 point text. This
>> combination cannot be done in the IDE editor,
>>
>
> Actually the Rev engine has the ability to handle custom colour schemes and
> I made a small plugin to enhance the IDE to allow you create your own
> schemes (and seeing as they are just plain text file, you can easily share
> them through email with others)..
> http://shaosean.tk/pluginScriptColourEditor.html
> -Sean
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 21 18:52:48 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:52:48 -0500
Subject: Little poll about Revolution script editor
Message-ID: <60E907AA-7399-46E2-9D11-15D2A8577530@wehostmacs.com>

> and the plugin can live in the 'user' plugin area, or does it have  
> to be installed in each version IDE?

In the user plugin folder.. I write all my code to run from the user  
folders as it makes it easy to test against all the versions of Rev in  
one fell swoop.. :)  Even the schemes save in the "Resources" folder  
in the user extension folder..


From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 21 20:04:50 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:50 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>

No Jacque, 41 IS the answer to everything. 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything. You were just a little short. 

Bob


On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Jacque-
>> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:01:43 PM, you wrote:
>>> I just added them up and it isn't as bad as I thought. It's only 943.
>> ...so put them in groups of 41 and then you only have to write 23
>> handlers...
> 
> Can't. 41 is one short of the Answer To Everything. :)
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 21 20:20:11 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:20:11 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> No Jacque, 41 IS the answer to everything. 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything. You were just a little short. 

Between this and the prime number business, no wonder I can't balance my 
checkbook. I count funny.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 21 23:29:26 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:26 -0800
Subject: compression AND encryption
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001212029v6ff8e3f7p8b63280a5b7c9dac@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again, list friends.

I know milage varies on file compression, especially that MP3s are basically
already compressed and gain no advantage.
Still I have a project where the client is asking for encryption AND
compression.

I've been pondering this. At first, I didn't think this would make any
difference which came first. However, all kinds of files could be in the
Que., and the client wants 'em all pushed through the process.

So
on encode - (reverse order on decode)

1 compression, then encryption  <--my guess
2 encrypting, then compression
3 no difference or downside??


thanks
sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Jan 21 23:47:35 2010
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:47:35 -0800
Subject: compression AND encryption
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001212029v6ff8e3f7p8b63280a5b7c9dac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001212029v6ff8e3f7p8b63280a5b7c9dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E43C813-3327-45DA-A8D7-406F72211869@jhj.com>

On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
> So
> on encode - (reverse order on decode)
> 
> 1 compression, then encryption  <--my guess
> 2 encrypting, then compression
> 3 no difference or downside??

I agree with your guess. Most compression algorithms depend on regularities in the data, and encryption hides them. Encrypt first and you would hide the stuff of which compression takes advantage. 

Randomness is next to Godliness.

Cheer,
Jerry Jensen



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 21 23:51:11 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:51:11 -0800
Subject: compression AND encryption
In-Reply-To: <1E43C813-3327-45DA-A8D7-406F72211869@jhj.com>
References: <e5e009d71001212029v6ff8e3f7p8b63280a5b7c9dac@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E43C813-3327-45DA-A8D7-406F72211869@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001212051n19902f7es66c46a6ee4005404@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jerry!

Think of all the power wasted encoding noisy U-Tube Video!

2010/1/21 Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com>

>
>
> I agree with your guess. Most compression algorithms depend on regularities
> in the data, and encryption hides them.


From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu Jan 21 23:58:28 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:58:28 -0800
Subject: compression AND encryption
In-Reply-To: <1E43C813-3327-45DA-A8D7-406F72211869@jhj.com>
References: <e5e009d71001212029v6ff8e3f7p8b63280a5b7c9dac@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E43C813-3327-45DA-A8D7-406F72211869@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <535E0DC7-DD4B-493C-9496-D233D7EDE121@mac.com>

Definitly compress first then encrypt for the reasons Jerry said.

Bill Vlahos

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>> So
>> on encode - (reverse order on decode)
>>
>> 1 compression, then encryption  <--my guess
>> 2 encrypting, then compression
>> 3 no difference or downside??
>
> I agree with your guess. Most compression algorithms depend on  
> regularities in the data, and encryption hides them. Encrypt first  
> and you would hide the stuff of which compression takes advantage.
>
> Randomness is next to Godliness.
>
> Cheer,
> Jerry Jensen
>
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From joef1 at mac.com  Fri Jan 22 00:24:59 2010
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:24:59 -0500
Subject: Re-2: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001160036s74b01a7cje75c19b08d190186@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
	<c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001160036s74b01a7cje75c19b08d190186@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64F4F651-4DE4-4C35-AF7B-6B8764B9EC07@mac.com>

Sorry to be so late catching up here.

So, here's a scenario:
A page on another server gets its credit card payment form (.irev  
page) from a secure sub-domain in my on-rev space.
The secure sub-domain is the same domain as the originating website,  
the DNS there being authoritative.

So:
www.website.com - lives on cheap, wonky ISP
secure.website.com -  lives on cool on-rev ISP.

Questions:
- Which works best, CNAME or A records?
Some ISPs allow fiddling with one or both; others allow neither.

- Where would the certificate live?
My guess is that would be the secure sub-domain server. (could be wrong)
It might be dependent on whether the ISP that hosts the DNS allows  
either A or CNAME changes, and secure connections to the "third party".

I'm not dealing with any of this stuff yet but I will have to soon,  
and I suppose I'm anticipating a problem.
If anyone can book their experiences here I'm sure it will come in  
handy one day when someone Googles "wonky ISP". (ie. me)

Cheers,
Joe F.

On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:36 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> On-Rev MySQL as well as most MySQL installations are secured by IP,  
> but you
> can use the wildcard "%" instead for any IP.
> This true at On-Rev.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/15 Joe F. <joef1 at mac.com>
>
>> This is very interesting discussion to me and I'm sure it will be  
>> something
>> that comes up for a lot of other on-rev users.
>> So, if possible, I hope one of you can follow up with a report on  
>> which
>> method is better/easier, or has any problems in actual use.
>>
>> I haven't toyed with it on on-rev yet, but I know that other ISPs  
>> limit
>> remote access to things like MySQL based on IP addresses.
>> This kind of thing would be a problem for running a separate secure  
>> on-rev
>> subdomain for transactions from another server, so if there's a  
>> definitive
>> way to do it I think it might be useful to get the Rev folk to  
>> publish it to
>> the website.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe F.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:54 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>>
>> 2010/1/10 <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> a cname is an alias for an other domain.
>>>> That means it points directly to your on-rev domain.
>>>> e.g. shop.yourdomain.com would point directly  to yourname.on- 
>>>> rev.com
>>>> The same pages would be shown.
>>>>
>>>> With an a-record you can use this subdomain as a real domain on the
>>>> on-rev
>>>> system.
>>>> You could have different folders for shop.yourdomain.com and
>>>> yourname.on-rev.com
>>>> So it would be possible to show different content for each domain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OK yes - but why not just set up say:
>>>
>>> - http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/
>>>
>>> And then point the C name record as:
>>>
>>> - subdomain.mydomain.com  =>  subdomain.david.on-rev.com ?
>>>
>>> I'd still have different folders on on-rev - but are you saying  
>>> that I'd
>>> have different root folders and that
>>> http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/would then not ALSO point to
>>> subdomain.david.on-rev.com ? Still a bit confused - thanks for you
>>> patience!
>>> _______________________________________________



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 03:06:11 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:06:11 -0800
Subject: LibURL and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <64F4F651-4DE4-4C35-AF7B-6B8764B9EC07@mac.com>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
	<c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001160036s74b01a7cje75c19b08d190186@mail.gmail.com>
	<64F4F651-4DE4-4C35-AF7B-6B8764B9EC07@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C37D9B1D-B7AA-413C-95BD-4A2D3C231445@yahoo.com>

I am getting my first exposure to a computer running Snow Leopard and  
just discovered two things that don't seem to work

SMTP
FTP uploading

Rev 3.5 installed, running in the IDE, no luck.
Compiled app, no luck

Is there something I should read before digging into details about  
firewalls, etc.?

Thanks,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri Jan 22 04:22:20 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:22:20 +0100
Subject: A problem with replicating a subgroup
In-Reply-To: <1264115530561-1068959.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1264076935459-1049682.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<B8A9FBC6-9FD4-4A05-B471-7F2E9BC48587@inria.fr>
	<1264115530561-1068959.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BE0EC151-C01C-48F8-A420-2DD5A176DC40@inria.fr>


Le 22 janv. 10 ? 00:12, planix a ?crit :

>
> Hi Andre,
>
> The mod that you suggested, setting the topleft of the new to the  
> bottom
> left of the old worked perfectly. Just the way I want it to. Thanks  
> very
> much for that.
>


Bonjour Alistair,

Your are welcome!

This list is like a race: often when I am on the verge of responding  
to a question, I see that a couple of people has already answered ;-))
Very happy when I win ;-o)))

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?







From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jan 22 07:27:25 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:27:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: raising the font size in dialog boxes, howto?
In-Reply-To: <FC932A12-7895-4710-B11E-3A807D05DA81@mac.com>
References: <201001211246.37065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<FC932A12-7895-4710-B11E-3A807D05DA81@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1264163245854-1099986.post@n4.nabble.com>


Bj?rnke

Yes, many thanks, it does work perfectly.  But the tedium of it!  I guess
one just uses cut and paste a lot.  Really, you would think this should be a
standard feature.  But you do notice that Rev seems peculiarly insensitive
to less than 20/20 vision.  With a new wide screen I find myself peering at
what looks like 6 point font on the dictionary and also in the little drop
down menus in the IDE.  Yes, I know one can get your version of the
dictionary, and I will probably end up doing this to avoid going even more
blind than I am now.

Thanks

Peter
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/raising-the-font-size-in-dialog-boxes-howto-tp1049692p1099986.html
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jan 22 08:48:52 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:48:52 +0000
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
Message-ID: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>

Hi,
does anyone of the list know a good GifAnimator, which is also freeware?
 
Regards,
 
Matthias


 

From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 22 08:50:30 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:50:30 +0100
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
References: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <6F44D385-42DC-4735-820A-C6204EC7F85F@major.on-rev.com>

Hi MadHias,

> Hi,
> does anyone of the list know a good GifAnimator, which is also freeware?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias

animated GIFs are SO OLDSCHOOL! :-D

Just kidding, Mac or Win?


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jan 22 09:02:00 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:02:00 +0100
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <6F44D385-42DC-4735-820A-C6204EC7F85F@major.on-rev.com>
References: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
	<6F44D385-42DC-4735-820A-C6204EC7F85F@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F8DEB20A-2383-4BBC-95E6-C5F507B65DF2@m-r-d.de>



Ah,i forgot to mention that also in message itself. Windows.

Matthias, der lieber Mett isst, als Mad ist;)

Am 22.01.2010 um 14:50 schrieb Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>:

> Hi MadHias,
>
>> Hi,
>> does anyone of the list know a good GifAnimator, which is also  
>> freeware?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>
> animated GIFs are SO OLDSCHOOL! :-D
>
> Just kidding, Mac or Win?
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 22 09:12:07 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:12:07 +0100
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <F8DEB20A-2383-4BBC-95E6-C5F507B65DF2@m-r-d.de>
References: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
	<6F44D385-42DC-4735-820A-C6204EC7F85F@major.on-rev.com>
	<F8DEB20A-2383-4BBC-95E6-C5F507B65DF2@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <DEEC362F-FFC0-4AC6-ACC9-E6BA5CEE150B@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Matthias,

> Ah,i forgot to mention that also in message itself. Windows.
> 
> Matthias, der lieber Mett isst, als Mad ist;)

Mahlzeit :-)

Sorry folks, untranslatable german joke :-D

OK, three seconds with Guurgel gave me this for example:
<http://www.toggle.com/lv/group/view/kl34879/Microsoft_GIF_Animator.htm>


Best

Klaus


P.S.
Oh boy, SO OLDSCHOOL... ;-)

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 10:19:13 2010
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:19:13 EST
Subject: trunc(?)
Message-ID: <63de.3f6e7dfa.388b1bf1@aol.com>

This came up in the forum. Someone was getting hung up with an object 
reference.

Paraphrasing:

set numberformat to "#.00"
put 1 into y
add 0 to y
put foo into field ("myField & y)

Rev thought it was field "myField1.00", not field "myfield1".

I advised him to extract the integer portion only by using the offset 
function. Works fine.

But I cavalierly thought that trunc would work too. It does not. Even 
though the docs say that trunc returns an integer, it does not when the 
numberFormat is in   play:

on mouseUp
    set numberformat to "#.00"
    put 1 into y
    add 0 to y
    answer trunc(y) -- yields "1.00"
end mouseUp

Neither does the "round" function.

Same in HC, by the way.

Bug? Glitch? Newman not getting it again?

Craig Newman


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Jan 22 11:16:05 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:16:05 +0000
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
References: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <4B59CF45.7020504@ekoinf.net>

http://www.whitsoftdev.com/unfreez/

runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> Hi,
> does anyone of the list know a good GifAnimator, which is also freeware?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Matthias
>
>
>  
> _______________________________________________
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan 22 11:30:40 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:30:40 +0100
Subject: trunc(?)
In-Reply-To: <63de.3f6e7dfa.388b1bf1@aol.com>
References: <63de.3f6e7dfa.388b1bf1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EE502989-7483-405A-85EC-2C41B371C04C@mac.com>


On 22 Jan 2010, at 16:19, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

>  Even though the docs say that trunc returns an integer, it does not when the numberFormat is in   play
> Neither does the "round" function. 
> Same in HC, by the way.
> 
> Bug? Glitch? Newman not getting it again?

I'd guess it's option d: legacy support


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jan 22 12:24:41 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:24:41 +0000
Subject: Re-2: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
Message-ID: <0003B605.4B59ED67@192.168.168.3>

Thanks Klaus and Viktor.

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows (22-Jan-2010 17:19)
From:    viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> http://www.whitsoftdev.com/unfreez/
> 
> runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> > does anyone of the list know a good GifAnimator, which is also freeware?
> >  
> > Regards,
> >  
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >  
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Jan 22 12:55:35 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:55:35 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Create plugins for tRev!
Message-ID: <9B7D3A01-BEB9-44A0-8133-85C8724B2FE9@me.com>

Want your script editor to do what YOU'D like it to do? You can. Just  
write a tRev plugin.

tRev now has a plugins manager that lets you create new plugins in a  
blink or transform an existing stack you have into a plugin for tRev.

Watch me add a couple plugins:

     http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev

In the days to come, I'll be creating some simple, useful plugins  
(free) for you, and posting them in our plugins store. I'll also be  
putting out a simple API document so you can expand your reach into  
compiling, code formatting, colorizing, archiving to the web...all  
kind of things that you never thought you could do.

This is a big deal.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/tired-of-opening-the-same-stacks-over-and-ove



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 12:55:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:55:34 +0200
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
References: <0003B602.4B59BAD3@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <4B59E696.4000600@gmail.com>

On 22/01/2010 15:48, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> Hi,
> does anyone of the list know a good GifAnimator, which is also freeware?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
>    
Just poked around with ASK:

http://www.jhepple.com/gif_animator.htm

http://www.whitsoftdev.com/  UnFREEz 2.1




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 22 13:06:27 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:06:27 -0600
Subject: Vista/Win7 priveleges
Message-ID: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>

I use Install Creator to make Windows installers. There is this warning 
in the docs:

"Note about Vista: on Vista you shouldn't run your program from the 
installer, as it will be executed with administrator privileges. For 
example any file created with your program in administrator mode won't 
be overridable the next time your application will be executed, unless 
it is run as administrator."

How limiting is this to the average user? I know Vista/Win7 enforce a 
sort of super-admin mode and I think this is what installers use. Does 
this mean that any documents created after an auto-launch will not be 
accessible at all when the program next runs as a standard user? Even if 
they are logged in as admin? Or if not, what limitations would be 
enforced? I'm not clear on what "overridable" means here.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 22 13:28:48 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:28:48 -0200
Subject: Vista/Win7 priveleges
In-Reply-To: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001221028g441c72ddla99fdde7f5d03ff7@mail.gmail.com>

That OS really annoys the **** out of me!

That makes no sense at all.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:06 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> I use Install Creator to make Windows installers. There is this warning in
> the docs:
>
> "Note about Vista: on Vista you shouldn't run your program from the
> installer, as it will be executed with administrator privileges. For example
> any file created with your program in administrator mode won't be
> overridable the next time your application will be executed, unless it is
> run as administrator."
>
> How limiting is this to the average user? I know Vista/Win7 enforce a sort
> of super-admin mode and I think this is what installers use. Does this mean
> that any documents created after an auto-launch will not be accessible at
> all when the program next runs as a standard user? Even if they are logged
> in as admin? Or if not, what limitations would be enforced? I'm not clear on
> what "overridable" means here.
>
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 13:45:09 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:45:09 -0800
Subject: File name extensions
In-Reply-To: <7697CF5C-5C13-4C5F-9586-4E09712BA095@derbrill.de>
References: <20100121180005.0CBD52888C7@mail.runrev.com>
	<7697CF5C-5C13-4C5F-9586-4E09712BA095@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <4B59F235.4020005@comcast.net>

I'm working on an application (Mac only at the moment) and was wondering 
about file name extensions. I poked around and found web sites that list 
file name extensions, but is there someplace "official" to register or 
search? Or am I free to use whatever I want? I registered a creator code 
with Apple, but don't know what to do from there.

Thanks,
Marty Knapp


From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Jan 22 13:54:19 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:54:19 -1000
Subject: Vista/Win7 priveleges
In-Reply-To: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <001701ca9b94$4e7695e0$eb63c1a0$@com>

Jacque wrote:
 
> I use Install Creator to make Windows installers. There is this warning
> in the docs:
> 
> "Note about Vista: on Vista you shouldn't run your program from the
> installer, as it will be executed with administrator privileges. For
> example any file created with your program in administrator mode won't
> be overridable the next time your application will be executed, unless
> it is run as administrator."
> 
> How limiting is this to the average user? I know Vista/Win7 enforce a
> sort of super-admin mode and I think this is what installers use. Does
> this mean that any documents created after an auto-launch will not be
> accessible at all when the program next runs as a standard user? Even
> if
> they are logged in as admin? Or if not, what limitations would be
> enforced? I'm not clear on what "overridable" means here.

I suspect this to be a typo for "over-writable?" ;-)

Quite honestly, I've never heard of such a thing. 

First, it is true that in Vista/7 programs inherit permissions. So, if your
installer is running at highest permissions (which it has to) then, if it
launches another program, that launched program automatically inherits the
permissions of the installer (for that launch only).

That said, I always have a checkbox that is, by default, checked for running
a program after the installer quits. I have never had a problem with
permissions on ensuing launches of the program with files created by that
initial launch of the program. And, for example, the initial launch will do
things like create SQLite DB files, which must be accessed and modified by
the program on ensuing launches, create new registry entries that get
updated later, and other things.

So, I think you can safely ignore this "warning" unless on initial launch
your program writes something to, for example, the System32 directory and
then wants to totally overwrite that file later. 

Your bigger issue with Vista/7 is that on first launch, Vista is going to
put up a dialog asking permission from the user to allow the new EXE to run
and will block actual execution of the program until the user clicks
"Allow." You need to account for this delay, especially if there are any
time-sensitive actions your program is going to take on first launch, like
accessing the Internet.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jan 22 14:00:47 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:00:47 +0100
Subject: File name extensions
In-Reply-To: <4B59F235.4020005@comcast.net>
References: <20100121180005.0CBD52888C7@mail.runrev.com>
	<7697CF5C-5C13-4C5F-9586-4E09712BA095@derbrill.de>
	<4B59F235.4020005@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0AA35184-84D9-4B8F-8430-2D69229D7C49@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Marty,

There are no official lists of file extensions. You are free to use  
whatever you want. The creator type registration at Apple is a relic  
from the past and you're free to ignore it, but I still think it is a  
good thing to register your new creator types there and to adhere to it.

I often use 4-character file extensions to reduce the probability that  
the file extension is widely used by a different application already.  
Whatever 3-char combination you choose, someone has probably already  
used it.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net 
  and support the earthquake victims.

Op 22 jan 2010, om 19:45 heeft Marty Knapp het volgende geschreven:

> I'm working on an application (Mac only at the moment) and was  
> wondering about file name extensions. I poked around and found web  
> sites that list file name extensions, but is there someplace  
> "official" to register or search? Or am I free to use whatever I  
> want? I registered a creator code with Apple, but don't know what to  
> do from there.
>
> Thanks,
> Marty Knapp




From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 14:16:09 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:16:09 -0800
Subject: File name extensions
In-Reply-To: <0AA35184-84D9-4B8F-8430-2D69229D7C49@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <20100121180005.0CBD52888C7@mail.runrev.com>	<7697CF5C-5C13-4C5F-9586-4E09712BA095@derbrill.de>	<4B59F235.4020005@comcast.net>
	<0AA35184-84D9-4B8F-8430-2D69229D7C49@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4B59F979.7030803@comcast.net>

Thanks Mark - that's kind of what I thought. The four character idea 
sounds good.

Marty Knapp
> Hi Marty,
>
> There are no official lists of file extensions. You are free to use 
> whatever you want. The creator type registration at Apple is a relic 
> from the past and you're free to ignore it, but I still think it is a 
> good thing to register your new creator types there and to adhere to it.
>
> I often use 4-character file extensions to reduce the probability that 
> the file extension is widely used by a different application already. 
> Whatever 3-char combination you choose, someone has probably already 
> used it.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at 
> http://www.twistaword.net and support the earthquake victims. 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 22 14:52:40 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:52:40 -0600
Subject: Vista/Win7 priveleges
In-Reply-To: <001701ca9b94$4e7695e0$eb63c1a0$@com>
References: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<001701ca9b94$4e7695e0$eb63c1a0$@com>
Message-ID: <4B5A0208.5020102@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:

> So, I think you can safely ignore this "warning" unless on initial launch
> your program writes something to, for example, the System32 directory and
> then wants to totally overwrite that file later. 

Thanks very much, Jim. Just what I needed to know. My app doesn't have 
any time-critical operations or write any files at launch, it just sits 
there and waits for the user to do something, so it sounds like we're 
okay. My client wants that auto-run checkbox because his customer base 
is largely computer illiterate. Many don't know how to start an app 
without it.

(Makes me wish you had to get some kind of license to run a computer.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Jan 22 15:47:53 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:47:53 -1000
Subject: Vista/Win7 priveleges
In-Reply-To: <4B5A0208.5020102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>	<001701ca9b94$4e7695e0$eb63c1a0$@com>
	<4B5A0208.5020102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <002801ca9ba4$2bca4ae0$835ee0a0$@com>

Jacque wrote:

> My client wants that auto-run checkbox because his customer base
> is largely computer illiterate. Many don't know how to start an app
> without it.
> 
> (Makes me wish you had to get some kind of license to run a computer.)

Well, if they are that illiterate, you may want to consider starting your
splash screen (if on Vista) with a message that says something to the effect
of, *Please click "Allow" for any permissions your computer may request.*
Because if they click Deny, your program will never run on that computer
until it is removed from the blocked list. And, if they don't know how to
run a program, they certainly won't know how to do this.

When I say Vista blocks the program from running, it actually lets the
program load. But, before the program can "do" anything like access the
local hard drives, the dialog is presented. Also, let's say your program
does attempt to access the Internet or ports at some point, there could be a
second dialog presented.

So, for example, in one app I have, I do exactly this. When the program
first launches, I throw up a splash message telling them to click Allow to
any requests and then write a little text file and then make an unnecessary
and arbitrary request to the Internet. These two actions are just to "force"
any possible dialogs from Vista. When I get past the Internet request, I
take down the message. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini







From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 17:49:00 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:49:00 +1000
Subject: trunc(?)
In-Reply-To: <63de.3f6e7dfa.388b1bf1@aol.com>
References: <63de.3f6e7dfa.388b1bf1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001221449x4619e59ct1ea17754b60e9234@mail.gmail.com>

> But I cavalierly thought that trunc would work too. It does not. Even
> though the docs say that trunc returns an integer, it does not when the
> numberFormat is in ? play:
>
> on mouseUp
> ? ?set numberformat to "#.00"
> ? ?put 1 into y
> ? ?add 0 to y
> ? ?answer trunc(y) -- yields "1.00"
> end mouseUp
>
> Neither does the "round" function.

It seems that the numberFormat is taking precedence here.
If you try this in the message box:
   put trunc(1.00)
or
   put round(1.00)
you will get 1 as expected, but in your sample, the y is being
truncated, then the 2 decimal places are being re-applied for the
answer. You can check that this is what is happening by setting y to
something like 1.23, which makes your "answer" display 1.00

As a general rule, I much prefer using the format function to the
numberFormat. I feel that I have more control that way, since it is
only applied to numbers that I want to apply it to, instead of all
numbers which is what causes problems like the one with the field
reference.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 22 17:57:08 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:57:08 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:20:11 PM, you wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> No Jacque, 41 IS the answer to everything. 42 is the answer to
>> life, the universe and everything. You were just a little short. 

> Between this and the prime number business, no wonder I can't balance my
> checkbook. I count funny.

So let's see...

You're a little short, you count funny, and you can't balance your
checkbook... anything else you want to share?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 17:57:46 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:57:46 +1000
Subject: LibURL and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <C37D9B1D-B7AA-413C-95BD-4A2D3C231445@yahoo.com>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
	<c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001160036s74b01a7cje75c19b08d190186@mail.gmail.com>
	<64F4F651-4DE4-4C35-AF7B-6B8764B9EC07@mac.com>
	<C37D9B1D-B7AA-413C-95BD-4A2D3C231445@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001221457m401f0cf1kecb6cbd2cc2336b3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am getting my first exposure to a computer running Snow Leopard and just
> discovered two things that don't seem to work
>
> SMTP
> FTP uploading
>
> Rev 3.5 installed, running in the IDE, no luck.
> Compiled app, no luck
>
> Is there something I should read before digging into details about
> firewalls, etc.?


Both those are working fine for me Jim, but I am using Rev 4.0 and OS X 10.6.2
I don't think I changed any of the default firewall settings.

I can send you some sample stacks if that would help your diagnostics.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 19:28:06 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:28:06 -0800
Subject: LibURL and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001221457m401f0cf1kecb6cbd2cc2336b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DIIE.0000000C0003B0F1@192.168.168.3>
	<c1c5836b1001101354q1c95aaefufaeb7dfa884ac04e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0312F92-47DA-4AA7-AF54-5F6F77411002@mac.com>
	<e5e009d71001160036s74b01a7cje75c19b08d190186@mail.gmail.com>
	<64F4F651-4DE4-4C35-AF7B-6B8764B9EC07@mac.com>
	<C37D9B1D-B7AA-413C-95BD-4A2D3C231445@yahoo.com>
	<f99b52861001221457m401f0cf1kecb6cbd2cc2336b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E755E6B-056E-4D71-82CC-21AC00F845BF@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Sarah,
The client is actually using  a newer laptop (last June) OSX 10.5.8  
and Rev 3.5 IDE and compiled app.

For today I setup Screen Sharing to a Mac mini running my software, so  
a Friday crisis avoided.
It is still Friday here, and your Saturday morning.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 22, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>> I am getting my first exposure to a computer running Snow Leopard  
>> and just
>> discovered two things that don't seem to work
>>
>> SMTP
>> FTP uploading
>>
>> Rev 3.5 installed, running in the IDE, no luck.
>> Compiled app, no luck
>>
>> Is there something I should read before digging into details about
>> firewalls, etc.?
>
>
> Both those are working fine for me Jim, but I am using Rev 4.0 and  
> OS X 10.6.2
> I don't think I changed any of the default firewall settings.
>
> I can send you some sample stacks if that would help your diagnostics.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 22 20:13:00 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:13:00 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:20:11 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> No Jacque, 41 IS the answer to everything. 42 is the answer to
>>> life, the universe and everything. You were just a little short. 
> 
>> Between this and the prime number business, no wonder I can't balance my
>> checkbook. I count funny.
> 
> So let's see...
> 
> You're a little short, you count funny, and you can't balance your
> checkbook... anything else you want to share?
> 

I like brussels sprouts...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 22 20:24:12 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:24:12 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:13:00 PM, you wrote:

> I like brussels sprouts...

There's hope for you yet. Try roasting them with sweet potatoes.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 02:57:10 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:57:10 +0200
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B5AABD6.2000102@gmail.com>

On 23/01/2010 03:13, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Jacque-
>>
>> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:20:11 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>> No Jacque, 41 IS the answer to everything. 42 is the answer to
>>>> life, the universe and everything. You were just a little short. 
>>
>>> Between this and the prime number business, no wonder I can't 
>>> balance my
>>> checkbook. I count funny.
>>
>> So let's see...
>>
>> You're a little short, you count funny, and you can't balance your
>> checkbook... anything else you want to share?
>>
>
> I like brussels sprouts...
>
Oh, my gosh; the BEST part of NOT living in Britain is not having 
brussel sprouts
foisted on me by people who assume that I MUST like the things.

Yesterday I had some kids doing an exam and I calculated the final marks
with my trusty Thornton sliderule; sucking the end of which is far better
than brussel sprouts!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 03:00:47 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:00:47 +0200
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>

On 23/01/2010 03:24, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
>
> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:13:00 PM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> I like brussels sprouts...
>>      
> There's hope for you yet. Try roasting them with sweet potatoes.
>
>    
Pop sweet potatoes in the microwave oven, crack them open
and fill with butter and zaatar:

http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/zaatar.html

or try your local Arabic shop.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Jan 23 03:22:36 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:22:36 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>

I will never bring up the Geometry topic again.

Brussel Sprouts give me a headache.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


On 23 January 2010 00:00, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 23/01/2010 03:24, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Jacque-
>>
>> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:13:00 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I like brussels sprouts...
>>>
>>>
>> There's hope for you yet. Try roasting them with sweet potatoes.
>>
>>
>>
> Pop sweet potatoes in the microwave oven, crack them open
> and fill with butter and zaatar:
>
> http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/zaatar.html
>
> or try your local Arabic shop.
>
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From barryb at libero.it  Sat Jan 23 10:07:06 2010
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:07:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
Message-ID: <20426282.137511264259226405.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Others have already answered this but if you want to try something more 
advanced I should like to point out , to all, that a ex-premium animation 
programme is now up for grabs at http://www.creatoon.com/ as a free download.
Regards Barry Barber


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 11:43:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:43:21 +0200
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <20426282.137511264259226405.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <20426282.137511264259226405.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <4B5B2729.1080504@gmail.com>

On 23/01/2010 17:07, barryb at libero.it wrote:
> Others have already answered this but if you want to try something more
> advanced I should like to point out , to all, that a ex-premium animation
> programme is now up for grabs at http://www.creatoon.com/ as a free download.
> Regards Barry Barber
>    

I got a very queer feeling when Chromium told me this:

"This type of file can harm your computer. Are you sure you
want to download CreaToonInstall.exe?"

Well, in for a penny, in for a pound; and as I will be downloading
it onto an Ubuntu box (WINE - Hey, Nonny, Hey Nonny Nonny No),
I'll risk it - but, frankly, I wouldn't onto a Windoze box.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 23 13:08:28 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:08:28 -0600
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> I will never bring up the Geometry topic again.

You didn't bring it up this time. ;) I never eat them any more because 
my husband can't be in the same room with them.

But suppose the geometry manager could be fixed to resize brussels 
sprouts, shrinking them down to the molecular level, or making them 
giant so those of us who do eat them could make do with just one. You 
could put one on your plate, grab a corner with your fork, and drag. 
Instant oblivion.

As a matter of fact, I intend to demand that as part of a Rev update. 
I'm a customer, after all.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 13:31:52 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:52 +0200
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B5B4098.2060202@gmail.com>

On 23/01/2010 20:08, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> stephen barncard wrote:
>> I will never bring up the Geometry topic again.

Probably better to bring up the Geometry topic again rather than
"bring up" the brussel sprouts!
>
> You didn't bring it up this time. ;) I never eat them any more because 
> my husband can't be in the same room with them.
>
> But suppose the geometry manager could be fixed to resize brussels 
> sprouts, shrinking them down to the molecular level, or making them 
> giant so those of us who do eat them could make do with just one. You 
> could put one on your plate, grab a corner with your fork, and drag. 
> Instant oblivion.
>
> As a matter of fact, I intend to demand that as part of a Rev update. 
> I'm a customer, after all.
>
-------------------------------------------
Serious question follows:

Wouldn't life be much easier . . . if RunRev just had the capability of 
resizing an end-user's
screen resolution?


From barryb at libero.it  Sat Jan 23 13:45:32 2010
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:45:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
Message-ID: <20221727.149111264272332730.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Today ,Richmond wrote:
>I got a very queer feeling when Chromium told me this:
>"This type of file can harm your computer. Are you sure you
>want to download CreaToonInstall.exe?"

Any serious browser will give you same warning for all files with code in 
them, even if they are signed by Bill Gates himself!

Dont worry i checked it for viruses and it works smoohtly.

Best regards Barry




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 14:04:26 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:04:26 +0200
Subject: OT: Free GifAnimator for Windows
In-Reply-To: <20221727.149111264272332730.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <20221727.149111264272332730.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <4B5B483A.6090509@gmail.com>

On 23/01/2010 20:45, barryb at libero.it wrote:
> Today ,Richmond wrote:
>    
>> I got a very queer feeling when Chromium told me this:
>> "This type of file can harm your computer. Are you sure you
>> want to download CreaToonInstall.exe?"
>>      
> Any serious browser will give you same warning for all files with code in
> them, even if they are signed by Bill Gates himself!
>    

Ha, Ha, Ha; experience has taught me that anything signed by Bill Gates
ought to have a government health warning slapped on it; as has, indeed,
happened in Germany!

> Dont worry i checked it for viruses and it works smoohtly.
>    
Yeah, well most Windows programs work 'smoohtly' - that's exactly the 
problem . . .  :)

Also happy to inform you that it works smoothly under WINE on Ubuntu Linux.

> Best regards Barry
>
>    
sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 23 14:53:33 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:53:33 -0600
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>

Jacque,

You can have a large Brussels Sprout. It's called a cabbage.

Brussels sprout (also brussels sprout)
noun

a vegetable consisting of the small compact bud of a variety of cabbage.

Brussels sprouts
? the plant that yields this vegetable, bearing many such buds along a  
tall single stem.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev

On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>> I will never bring up the Geometry topic again.
>
> You didn't bring it up this time. ;) I never eat them any more  
> because my husband can't be in the same room with them.
>
> But suppose the geometry manager could be fixed to resize brussels  
> sprouts, shrinking them down to the molecular level, or making them  
> giant so those of us who do eat them could make do with just one.  
> You could put one on your plate, grab a corner with your fork, and  
> drag. Instant oblivion.
>
> As a matter of fact, I intend to demand that as part of a Rev  
> update. I'm a customer, after all.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat Jan 23 16:07:53 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:07:53 -0800
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
Message-ID: <E843F14C-FD61-4904-A596-7ED370391EEA@cruzio.com>

Bile them cabbage down boys, bile them cabbage down.

On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Jacque,
> 
> You can have a large Brussels Sprout. It's called a cabbage.
> 
> Brussels sprout (also brussels sprout)
> noun
> 
> a vegetable consisting of the small compact bud of a variety of cabbage.
> 
> Brussels sprouts
> ? the plant that yields this vegetable, bearing many such buds along a tall single stem.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> 
> The latest Rev Editor Video:
> http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev
> 
> On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>> I will never bring up the Geometry topic again.
>> 
>> You didn't bring it up this time. ;) I never eat them any more because my husband can't be in the same room with them.
>> 
>> But suppose the geometry manager could be fixed to resize brussels sprouts, shrinking them down to the molecular level, or making them giant so those of us who do eat them could make do with just one. You could put one on your plate, grab a corner with your fork, and drag. Instant oblivion.
>> 
>> As a matter of fact, I intend to demand that as part of a Rev update. I'm a customer, after all.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 23 16:22:35 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:22:35 -0600
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <E843F14C-FD61-4904-A596-7ED370391EEA@cruzio.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
	<E843F14C-FD61-4904-A596-7ED370391EEA@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <C8B39727-B4CC-4194-93A6-79FB43ED0BFA@me.com>

SMOTHERS BROTHERS!

On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Bile them cabbage down boys, bile them cabbage down.
>
> On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Jacque,
>>
>> You can have a large Brussels Sprout. It's called a cabbage.
>>
>> Brussels sprout (also brussels sprout)
>> noun
>>
>> a vegetable consisting of the small compact bud of a variety of  
>> cabbage.
>>
>> Brussels sprouts
>> ? the plant that yields this vegetable, bearing many such buds  
>> along a tall single stem.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>>
>> The latest Rev Editor Video:
>> http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>>> I will never bring up the Geometry topic again.
>>>
>>> You didn't bring it up this time. ;) I never eat them any more  
>>> because my husband can't be in the same room with them.
>>>
>>> But suppose the geometry manager could be fixed to resize brussels  
>>> sprouts, shrinking them down to the molecular level, or making  
>>> them giant so those of us who do eat them could make do with just  
>>> one. You could put one on your plate, grab a corner with your  
>>> fork, and drag. Instant oblivion.
>>>
>>> As a matter of fact, I intend to demand that as part of a Rev  
>>> update. I'm a customer, after all.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 18:02:16 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:02:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Got it Going
In-Reply-To: <A0898522-FC07-485C-A464-06AAB0092AE4@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <621723.95239.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Ralf,

I won't need to pester you anymore. For some reason the computer gods decided that I'd had my fill of frustration and decided to make it work. Thanks again for the help and for your framework.

Mike


      


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 18:14:04 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:14:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Got it Going
In-Reply-To: <621723.95239.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <652717.3302.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Ralf Bitter was helping me out and I sent him a note, but got confused and sent it to the list. Anyway, the ImageMagick problem is solved.

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Got it Going
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:02 PM
> Ralf,
> 
> I won't need to pester you anymore. For some reason the
> computer gods decided that I'd had my fill of frustration
> and decided to make it work. Thanks again for the help and
> for your framework.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 23 17:42:43 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:42:43 -0800
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <C8B39727-B4CC-4194-93A6-79FB43ED0BFA@me.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
	<E843F14C-FD61-4904-A596-7ED370391EEA@cruzio.com>
	<C8B39727-B4CC-4194-93A6-79FB43ED0BFA@me.com>
Message-ID: <5613133406.20100123144243@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Saturday, January 23, 2010, 1:22:35 PM, you wrote:

> SMOTHERS BROTHERS!

Awww... mom always liked your posts best...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 22:04:17 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:04:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Message-ID: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com>


Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application

Recently, the Python Users group from Argentina,
joined efforts to develop an application that
allows to read Wikipedia contents offline, directly
from CD or DVD. Obviously, this application is
written in Python and they are planning to include
Tutorials and lessons for Python in the CD and DVD.

You could read about the application and download
the CD or DVD from their site:
http://python.org.ar/pyar/Proyectos/CDPedia

It's a python web server that display html pages
(decompressed from CD or DVD) and linked images stored
in the CD or DVD.

If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop
an application that display directly the more recently updated
XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev.

This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of
RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a
wider audience and many potential developers.

How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete
this project?

Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas!

Alejandro
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1288518.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan 24 08:08:38 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:08:38 +0100
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com>

sounds nice

what work exactly needs to be done? 
where can one look at example xml files? 
why do you think you need help?
will you manage and direct the efforts?

including media installers is allowed by runrev, but of course one should ask em beforehand.

note that the browser external is only available for mac and win. so it'd be probably good if the content could be shown in fields, and not use that external, on-rev or the web plugin. but maybe you had a different idea about how to do it?

have fun
bj?rnke

On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:04, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
> 
> Recently, the Python Users group from Argentina,
> joined efforts to develop an application that
> allows to read Wikipedia contents offline, directly
> from CD or DVD. Obviously, this application is
> written in Python and they are planning to include
> Tutorials and lessons for Python in the CD and DVD.
> 
> You could read about the application and download
> the CD or DVD from their site:
> http://python.org.ar/pyar/Proyectos/CDPedia
> 
> It's a python web server that display html pages
> (decompressed from CD or DVD) and linked images stored
> in the CD or DVD.
> 
> If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop
> an application that display directly the more recently updated
> XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev.
> 
> This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of
> RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a
> wider audience and many potential developers.
> 
> How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete
> this project?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas!
> 
> Alejandro
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1288518.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun Jan 24 09:39:36 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:39:36 -0600
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <5613133406.20100123144243@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
	<E843F14C-FD61-4904-A596-7ED370391EEA@cruzio.com>
	<C8B39727-B4CC-4194-93A6-79FB43ED0BFA@me.com>
	<5613133406.20100123144243@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <802ED62F-DFAF-4EF6-B5F6-A5C442ADF384@me.com>

Take it...

On Jan 23, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jerry-
>
> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 1:22:35 PM, you wrote:
>
>> SMOTHERS BROTHERS!
>
> Awww... mom always liked your posts best...
>
> --  
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 12:07:30 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:07:30 -0600
Subject: Question about a group of edit controls
Message-ID: <dcf79b821001240907y2fd9b3ffqf4b265c6f7a267de@mail.gmail.com>

On the interface I'm working on, I have tab panel setup with
background behavior which is working properly. Navigation from card to
card works without any problems. I also have a group of edit controls
that I want displayed on each card, but I want the data contained in
each edit box to remain common to each card.

The edit controls need to remain editable from any card they are
displayed on without the content changing when navigating from one
card to the other. I've tried this several different ways without any
success and would appreciate any advice that you might offer.

Regards,
David C.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jan 24 13:07:21 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:07:21 +0100
Subject: Question about a group of edit controls
In-Reply-To: <dcf79b821001240907y2fd9b3ffqf4b265c6f7a267de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dcf79b821001240907y2fd9b3ffqf4b265c6f7a267de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17C1F7D2-9F04-4487-83E3-425BA35A6BB4@economy-x-talk.com>

David,

save the data in a custom property. For example

on closeField
   set the cData of me to the text of me
end closeField

and in a preOpenCard handler:

on preOpenCard
   set the text of me to the cData of me
end preOpenCard

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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  and support the earthquake victims.

Op 24 jan 2010, om 18:07 heeft David Coker het volgende geschreven:

> On the interface I'm working on, I have tab panel setup with
> background behavior which is working properly. Navigation from card to
> card works without any problems. I also have a group of edit controls
> that I want displayed on each card, but I want the data contained in
> each edit box to remain common to each card.
>
> The edit controls need to remain editable from any card they are
> displayed on without the content changing when navigating from one
> card to the other. I've tried this several different ways without any
> success and would appreciate any advice that you might offer.
>
> Regards,
> David C.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 24 13:33:22 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:33:22 -0600
Subject: Question about a group of edit controls
In-Reply-To: <dcf79b821001240907y2fd9b3ffqf4b265c6f7a267de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dcf79b821001240907y2fd9b3ffqf4b265c6f7a267de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5C9272.8020308@hyperactivesw.com>

David Coker wrote:

> The edit controls need to remain editable from any card they are
> displayed on without the content changing when navigating from one
> card to the other. I've tried this several different ways without any
> success and would appreciate any advice that you might offer.

Are these just fields? If so, turn off the sharedtext property of the 
field. That way it will store different data in the same field for each 
card.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 13:40:29 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:40:29 -0500
Subject: sleep mode
Message-ID: <97FDD8BE-2E3F-4342-84E6-5E2CE38F7597@gmail.com>

Anyone know what happens when a handler is in the middle of a long  
repeat loop and a laptop user closes up and the machine goes into  
sleep mode? I am assuming that iteration stops and nothing is saved.  
Is there a system message that can to trapped to save the execution  
contexts, or whatever? I'd like to be able to resume what was  
happening when the machine went to sleep, but I don't know if this is  
possible.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 14:01:26 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:01:26 -0600
Subject: Question about a group of edit controls
In-Reply-To: <4B5C9272.8020308@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <dcf79b821001240907y2fd9b3ffqf4b265c6f7a267de@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5C9272.8020308@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <dcf79b821001241101s7ba53b97ie58e4ff0125764e@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, Jacque,

I really appreciate the suggestions, but right after sending my
message I happened to remember how to use the "group method" for
navigating the tab control, which works well in this case. Getting all
of the various controls aligned this way is a bit more difficult, but
once that chore is over with, everything will work from the same card
without any interference to the edit boxes. Ultimately, having
everything I need available on the same card should make this
particular application much easier to code anyway...  :)

Thanks again though!

Best regards,
David C.


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Jan 24 15:10:42 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:10:42 +0100
Subject: Print dialog question
Message-ID: <A0D49887-D39F-4896-91C3-BAB7AF31773A@skynet.be>

Hi list


I have a handler which ends with the standar print dlog

   open printing with dialog
   if the result = "cancel" then
     close stack "To_print"
     exit to top
   end if
   print card "toDo"
   close printing


I'd like to know how much copies the user mentions in the print DLOG

is it possible ?


Thanks


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 16:11:06 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:11:06 -0400
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Message-ID: <3bbe202f1001241311q5e61f336gc38e582a0edce7b4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bjornke,

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:08:38 +0100
Bjornke von Gierke wrote:

> sounds nice

Yes, and this platform offers all the features
needed to create this CD or DVD.

> what work exactly needs to be done?

An application that seach and display the xml text
format and images used by Wikipedia, in every platform
available for Runrev.

> where can one look at example xml files?

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext_examples

and every wikipedia page shows near the top an option:
View source

> why do you think you need help?
To create a multiplatform project, it's neccesary to
build and test in every platform where Runrev is
available.

> will you manage and direct the efforts?
No, i could help with some code and testing in
Windows XP and Vista.

> including media installers is allowed by runrev,
> but of course one should ask em beforehand.

Yes.

> note that the browser external is only available for mac and win.
> so it'd be probably good if the content could be shown in fields,
> and not use that external, on-rev or the web plugin. but maybe
> you had a different idea about how to do it?

Yes, a field could work too, but displaying the page inside a
web browser should be ideal.

Many thanks for your answers and interest.
Have a nice weekend! :-)

Alejandro


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 16:23:27 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:23:27 +0000
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1001241311q5e61f336gc38e582a0edce7b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3bbe202f1001241311q5e61f336gc38e582a0edce7b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001241323n1e319278te7e1b35cf6512d93@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/24 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>

>
> > what work exactly needs to be done?
> An application that seach and display the xml text
> format and images used by Wikipedia, in every platform
> available for Runrev.
>
> > where can one look at example xml files?
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext_examples
>
> and every wikipedia page shows near the top an option:
> View source
>

Not sure if it is any use - but I can offer code for reading and writing to
WikiPedia from Rev - it is not a complete library - but a good start.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 24 16:47:52 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:47:52 -0800
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1001241311q5e61f336gc38e582a0edce7b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3bbe202f1001241311q5e61f336gc38e582a0edce7b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6715645140.20100124134752@ahsoftware.net>

Alejandro-

Maybe I'm missing the point here.

What's the advantage of reading Wikipedia offline? Aside from the size
of the files needed, the slowness of reading from optical media, and
the static character of the data... I thought the point of wikis was
that they're constantly in flux, Wikipedia more so than most. Errors
can be corrected in realtime, new topics added, etc. As soon as the
data gets burned to disc it's out of date, no?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 17:14:36 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:14:36 +0100
Subject: Print dialog question
In-Reply-To: <A0D49887-D39F-4896-91C3-BAB7AF31773A@skynet.be>
References: <A0D49887-D39F-4896-91C3-BAB7AF31773A@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001241414h41644158p498f6043049de7e2@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/24 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>:
> Hi list
>
>
> I have a handler which ends with the standar print dlog
>
> ?open printing with dialog
> ?if the result = "cancel" then
> ? ?close stack "To_print"
> ? ?exit to top
> ?end if
> ?print card "toDo"
> ?close printing
>
>
> I'd like to know how much copies the user mentions in the print DLOG
>
> is it possible ?

Hi Yves,

Try :

get the printCopies


First you have to check that your printer manage copies like this :

if "copies" is among the items of the printerFeatures then...


HTH,

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 19:40:43 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:40:43 -0400
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Message-ID: <3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> Not sure if it is any use - but I can offer code for reading and writing to
> WikiPedia from Rev - it is not a complete library - but a good start.

Hi David,

Your code reads and write to Wikipedia.
Did you use this code as an automatic bot
for reverse vandalism in selected pages?

This could be useful as a module that could track changes
in specific user selected articles.

One of the greatest problems of using an offline Wikipedia
database is to keep updated the database. The primitive and
rather wasteful method to update the xml database is to
download and index (again) the whole database.

About Mark question, probably this project is not useful in those
fortunate places with ubiquitous and cheap internet access:

http://www.internetworldstats.com/dsl.htm

Alejandro





An script that watch


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 24 20:03:05 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:03:05 -0800
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1727358203.20100124170305@ahsoftware.net>

Alejandro-

Sunday, January 24, 2010, 4:40:43 PM, you wrote:

> About Mark question, probably this project is not useful in those
> fortunate places with ubiquitous and cheap internet access:

Yeah, that was the one case I thought of where it might be useful to
have a static, albeit somewhat outdated, snapshot of the data. Of
course, considering that Wikipedia doesn't for the most part require
broadband access where dialup would do, the following chart is
probably more to the point:

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Jan 24 22:18:54 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:18:54 -0800
Subject: Linux Go Stack opens in a new tab
Message-ID: <1B8AB032-F70C-4BB0-B3DD-CB3E068C43EB@mac.com>

On Ubuntu when I issue a go stack xxxx it opens the stack in a different TAB instead of as an overlapping window like in Windows or Mac.

Is this is the expected linux behavior and or is there a better way to deal with it so it doesn't happen?

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) helps me remember the important details of my life.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 01:29:09 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:29:09 +0200
Subject: Linux Go Stack opens in a new tab
In-Reply-To: <1B8AB032-F70C-4BB0-B3DD-CB3E068C43EB@mac.com>
References: <1B8AB032-F70C-4BB0-B3DD-CB3E068C43EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B5D3A35.7050804@gmail.com>

On 25/01/2010 05:18, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> On Ubuntu when I issue a go stack xxxx it opens the stack in a different TAB instead of as an overlapping window like in Windows or Mac.
>
> Is this is the expected linux behavior and or is there a better way to deal with it so it doesn't happen?
>
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
>    

eschew 'Go' and use 'Open' instead . . .  :)


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Jan 25 01:53:45 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:53:45 +0100
Subject: Print dialog question
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001241414h41644158p498f6043049de7e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A0D49887-D39F-4896-91C3-BAB7AF31773A@skynet.be>
	<64bda6471001241414h41644158p498f6043049de7e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CEA63E0-2435-49D4-9CB4-CAA56B7504B7@skynet.be>


Le 24-janv.-10 ? 23:14, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> 2010/1/24 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>:
>> Hi list
>>
>>
>> I have a handler which ends with the standar print dlog
>>
>>  open printing with dialog
>>  if the result = "cancel" then
>>    close stack "To_print"
>>    exit to top
>>  end if
>>  print card "toDo"
>>  close printing
>>
>>
>> I'd like to know how much copies the user mentions in the print DLOG
>>
>> is it possible ?
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> Try :
>
> get the printCopies
>
>
> First you have to check that your printer manage copies like this :
>
> if "copies" is among the items of the printerFeatures then...
>
>


Hi,

I will ry and let you kno<

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 25 02:15:12 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:15:12 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>

At last!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/24/america-haggis-ban-lifted-burns

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 05:15:42 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:15:42 +0200
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5D6F4E.7090506@gmail.com>

On 25/01/2010 09:15, stephen barncard wrote:
> At last!
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/24/america-haggis-ban-lifted-burns
>
>    

Whacko!

And the funniest thing about this is that far more North Americans of
Scots descent (there are folk who would say that crossing the Atlantic
is more a case of 'ascent' than descent) celebrate Burn's night that do
in Scotland.

Speaking as a fairly right-wing sort of chap, while I do like some of
Burn's verse I don't take kindly to his proto-socialist politics, so I will
eat my haggis on July 8th; the accession date of our current legal monarch;
His Majesty King Francis II:

http://www.jacobite.ca/kings/francis2.htm


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 05:28:49 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:28:49 +0200
Subject: Linux Go Stack opens in a new tab
In-Reply-To: <1B8AB032-F70C-4BB0-B3DD-CB3E068C43EB@mac.com>
References: <1B8AB032-F70C-4BB0-B3DD-CB3E068C43EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B5D7261.5090700@gmail.com>

On 25/01/2010 05:18, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> On Ubuntu when I issue a go stack xxxx it opens the stack in a different TAB instead of as an overlapping window like in Windows or Mac.
>
> Is this is the expected linux behavior and or is there a better way to deal with it so it doesn't happen?
>
> Bill Vlahos
>    
[Sorry about the slightly facetious earlier response]

Right, here I am, back from teaching during my lunch break:

Ubuntu 8.04.3  RunRev 4

1. tried;

GO "subb"

[note witty inter-textual reference to some versions of BASIC]

free-standing substack in different location to main stack.

Go stack "subb"

exactly the same as #1

what am I missing?

No TAB and no overlapping window.....


From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 07:42:55 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:42:55 -0500
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54D598F9-74A9-495E-8302-D04D328D933C@verizon.net>


On Jan 25, 2010, at 2:15 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> At last!
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/24/america-haggis-ban-lifted-burns


That took some guts.




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 25 07:52:18 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:52:18 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
Message-ID: <C782D402.4761A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Has anyone figured out a good way to minimize processor use in Rev when a
player is present?

Over here, a paused player consumes roughly 30% of the processor for some
odd reason (I seem to recall somebody mentioning this anomaly before). The
only method I've found to stop this unnecessary use is to hide the player.
It is also possible to set the fileName of the player to empty but my app is
a music player so I would prefer not to do this for reasons of performance
(repeatedly changing the player's fileName could delay playback).

Any other ideas for minimizing a player's impact on the processor?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 07:58:36 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:58:36 -0500
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <C782D402.4761A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C782D402.4761A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <5ADCB339-1F3C-4CB1-8982-79342EB23165@verizon.net>

Is there an idle period you can set?


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 08:28:56 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:28:56 -0600
Subject: HTML Editor
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field (similar
to FCKeditor).  Any direction would be greatly appreciated!

Warren


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 25 10:48:37 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:48:37 -0500
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <5ADCB339-1F3C-4CB1-8982-79342EB23165@verizon.net>
References: <C782D402.4761A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<5ADCB339-1F3C-4CB1-8982-79342EB23165@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6C1D0501-E69F-488D-8279-B11B872B5159@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Is there an idle period you can set?

qtIdleRate

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 25 10:48:45 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:48:45 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <5ADCB339-1F3C-4CB1-8982-79342EB23165@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C782FD5D.47623%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Is there an idle period you can set?

Good idea -- I had forgotten about the qtIdleRate.  Setting it to a high
value lowers the processor use.  Thanks for the reminder.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Mon Jan 25 10:50:52 2010
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:50:52 +0000
Subject: HTML Editor
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5DBDDC.3000604@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Warren Kuhl wrote:
> I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field (similar
> to FCKeditor).  Any direction would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Warren

TinyMCE ?

<http://www.moxiecode.com/products_tinymce.php>

Martin Baxter


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 10:53:42 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:53:42 -0600
Subject: HTML Editor
In-Reply-To: <4B5DBDDC.3000604@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5DBDDC.3000604@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001250753k3c7c2a75ofec77971599314ab@mail.gmail.com>

Martin,

Thanks for the link.  I will check this out now.  Appreciate the help!

Warren

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Martin Baxter <
mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk> wrote:

>  Warren Kuhl wrote:
> > I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field
> (similar
> > to FCKeditor).  Any direction would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Warren
>
> TinyMCE ?
>
> <http://www.moxiecode.com/products_tinymce.php>
>
> Martin Baxter
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 25 11:48:12 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:48:12 -0800
Subject: [OT] Geometry sprouts
In-Reply-To: <76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
References: <4B578AD6.5050604@fourthworld.com>
	<4B579967.5080106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<47460091968.20100120161723@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B57AAED.40407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8D075C1-ABEE-4022-BCA7-85565F4B1595@twft.com>
	<4B58FD4B.1040109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<178104571156.20100122145708@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5A4D1C.3090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53113395312.20100122172412@ahsoftware.net>
	<4B5AACAF.7080607@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001230022k33c71b1dnc2606c6b13556b3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5B3B1C.5010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76F7A0AF-20C2-4F8E-82C4-2D3379A12A75@me.com>
Message-ID: <B468CF00-730C-41B7-BA96-9573EBBF8B86@twft.com>

I wonder if that's why carnies smell like cabbage? Too many Brussel Sprouts? 

Bob


On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Jacque,
> 
> You can have a large Brussels Sprout. It's called a cabbage.
> 
> Brussels sprout (also brussels sprout)
> noun
> 
> a vegetable consisting of the small compact bud of a variety of cabbage.
> 
> Brussels sprouts
> ? the plant that yields this vegetable, bearing many such buds along a tall single stem.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 25 11:53:34 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:53:34 -0800
Subject: sleep mode
In-Reply-To: <97FDD8BE-2E3F-4342-84E6-5E2CE38F7597@gmail.com>
References: <97FDD8BE-2E3F-4342-84E6-5E2CE38F7597@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB9E6745-2A48-4C11-8F32-C4DE25C18E8A@twft.com>

It's my understanding that the system will issue a sleep command that gets sent to all running applications. I believe applications can reject the sleep command (a practice frowned upon for obvious reasons), much like an application can be told to quit by the system in the process of shutting down, and if it refuses, the system will abort the shutdown. 

The real question is, does Revolution refuse to allow the machine to sleep when told? Or am I wrong about this? 

Bob


On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> Anyone know what happens when a handler is in the middle of a long repeat loop and a laptop user closes up and the machine goes into sleep mode? I am assuming that iteration stops and nothing is saved. Is there a system message that can to trapped to save the execution contexts, or whatever? I'd like to be able to resume what was happening when the machine went to sleep, but I don't know if this is possible.
> 
> -- Peter



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 25 11:59:52 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:59:52 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12984765171.20100125085952@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

OMG! Did you see the related article?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/gallery/2009/jan/23/haggis-make-your-own-burns

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 25 12:05:20 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:05:20 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>

offal |??f?l; ??f?l|
noun
the entrails and internal organs of an animal used as food.
? refuse or waste material.
? decomposing animal flesh.
ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [refuse from a process] ): probably suggested by Middle Dutch afval, from af ?off? + vallen ?to fall.?

If you eat that crap (and I mean that in the most literal sense) you are going to need a lot more whiskey. 

Bob


On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:15 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> At last!
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/24/america-haggis-ban-lifted-burns
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 25 12:19:42 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:19:42 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1471B25D05D848018533B7C26282FC7D@GATEWAY>

 > offal |'?f?l; '?f?l|
> noun
> the entrails and internal organs of an animal used as food.
> ? refuse or waste material.
> ? decomposing animal flesh.
> ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [refuse from a 
> process] ): probably suggested by Middle Dutch afval, from af 
> ?off? + vallen ?to fall.?
> 
> If you eat that crap (and I mean that in the most literal 
> sense) you are going to need a lot more whiskey. 

Now you might want to ask Jerry or Chipp, but I think in Texan, the
definition for offal is "anything eaten that isn't steak" :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 12:20:12 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:20:12 -0600
Subject: Replacing Text
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001250920i5081351aif28d726949c1d8d3@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to replace a selected chunk of text with the selectedchunk
of text and some html codes.  I tried the code below and the software
doesn't like this.

replace the selectedtext of field "field" with "<b>" & the
selectedtext of field "field" & "</b>" in the selectedchunk of field
"field"

I could use:
replace the selectedtext of field "field" with "<b>" & the
selectedtext of field "field" & "</b>" in field "field"
...but the replace would replace all occurrences of the text in my
field...instead of just the selectedchunk.

How would I accomplish this?  I assume it is something simple.

Warren


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 25 12:34:50 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:34:50 +0100
Subject: Replacing Text
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001250920i5081351aif28d726949c1d8d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250920i5081351aif28d726949c1d8d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E3D403B-507D-4925-ADDA-6453D0893FDB@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Warren,

The selectedChunk is a reference to particular characters in a field.  
Also, the selectedChunk of fld x isn't a reference the actual text in  
that field but rather a string containing that reference.

For example, if you tell Revolution to replace "xyz" with "abc" in  
"char 1 to 2 of field 1" it isn't going to work.

You might try this.

put the selectedText into mySelection
replace mySelection with "<b>" & mySelection & "</b>" in field x

or

put the selectedText into mySelection
put "<b>" & mySelection & "</b>" into the selectedChunk

I have tested this and both methods work.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk

Op 25 jan 2010, om 18:20 heeft Warren Kuhl het volgende geschreven:

> I am trying to replace a selected chunk of text with the selectedchunk
> of text and some html codes.  I tried the code below and the software
> doesn't like this.
>
> replace the selectedtext of field "field" with "<b>" & the
> selectedtext of field "field" & "</b>" in the selectedchunk of field
> "field"
>
> I could use:
> replace the selectedtext of field "field" with "<b>" & the
> selectedtext of field "field" & "</b>" in field "field"
> ...but the replace would replace all occurrences of the text in my
> field...instead of just the selectedchunk.
>
> How would I accomplish this?  I assume it is something simple.
>
> Warren




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Jan 25 12:36:16 2010
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:36:16 +0100
Subject: Print dialog question
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001241414h41644158p498f6043049de7e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A0D49887-D39F-4896-91C3-BAB7AF31773A@skynet.be>
	<64bda6471001241414h41644158p498f6043049de7e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5445C148-3140-4B33-A4EE-C58E98EC526C@skynet.be>


Le 24-janv.-10 ? 23:14, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> 2010/1/24 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>:
>> Hi list
>>
>>
>> I have a handler which ends with the standar print dlog
>>
>>  open printing with dialog
>>  if the result = "cancel" then
>>    close stack "To_print"
>>    exit to top
>>  end if
>>  print card "toDo"
>>  close printing
>>
>>
>> I'd like to know how much copies the user mentions in the print DLOG
>>
>> is it possible ?
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> Try :
>
> get the printCopies
>
>
> First you have to check that your printer manage copies like this :
>
> if "copies" is among the items of the printerFeatures then...
>
Re,

it works fine

thank you very much

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 12:39:53 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:39:53 -0600
Subject: Replacing Text
In-Reply-To: <1E3D403B-507D-4925-ADDA-6453D0893FDB@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250920i5081351aif28d726949c1d8d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E3D403B-507D-4925-ADDA-6453D0893FDB@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001250939s74a80088l4c1bf5bd1cb91242@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Your seconds example worked great.  I assume the first example you
provided would replace multiple occurenences of the text if it
existed?  The second example doesn't do this and is exactly what I was
trying to resolve.

Thanks for your help!
Warren

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Mark Schonewille
<m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> The selectedChunk is a reference to particular characters in a field. Also,
> the selectedChunk of fld x isn't a reference the actual text in that field
> but rather a string containing that reference.
>
> For example, if you tell Revolution to replace "xyz" with "abc" in "char 1
> to 2 of field 1" it isn't going to work.
>
> You might try this.
>
> put the selectedText into mySelection
> replace mySelection with "<b>" & mySelection & "</b>" in field x
>
> or
>
> put the selectedText into mySelection
> put "<b>" & mySelection & "</b>" into the selectedChunk
>
> I have tested this and both methods work.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk
>
> Op 25 jan 2010, om 18:20 heeft Warren Kuhl het volgende geschreven:
>
>> I am trying to replace a selected chunk of text with the selectedchunk
>> of text and some html codes. ?I tried the code below and the software
>> doesn't like this.
>>
>> replace the selectedtext of field "field" with "<b>" & the
>> selectedtext of field "field" & "</b>" in the selectedchunk of field
>> "field"
>>
>> I could use:
>> replace the selectedtext of field "field" with "<b>" & the
>> selectedtext of field "field" & "</b>" in field "field"
>> ...but the replace would replace all occurrences of the text in my
>> field...instead of just the selectedchunk.
>>
>> How would I accomplish this? ?I assume it is something simple.
>>
>> Warren
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Jan 25 13:18:50 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:18:50 -0600
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <1471B25D05D848018533B7C26282FC7D@GATEWAY>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>
	<1471B25D05D848018533B7C26282FC7D@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <B38F3A92-1B4F-4699-8C0C-5A957DB418F4@me.com>

Lynn,

That is correct, sir!

Plus, I believe there is an armadillo haggis here.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev

On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> offal |'?f?l; '?f?l|
>> noun
>> the entrails and internal organs of an animal used as food.
>> ? refuse or waste material.
>> ? decomposing animal flesh.
>> ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [refuse from a
>> process] ): probably suggested by Middle Dutch afval, from af
>> ?off? + vallen ?to fall.?
>>
>> If you eat that crap (and I mean that in the most literal
>> sense) you are going to need a lot more whiskey.
>
> Now you might want to ask Jerry or Chipp, but I think in Texan, the
> definition for offal is "anything eaten that isn't steak" :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 25 13:31:41 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:41 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <B38F3A92-1B4F-4699-8C0C-5A957DB418F4@me.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>
	<1471B25D05D848018533B7C26282FC7D@GATEWAY>
	<B38F3A92-1B4F-4699-8C0C-5A957DB418F4@me.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001251031k2981508byceff14254c4a208e@mail.gmail.com>

And roadkill haggis! Like manifold chicken.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/25 Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>

> Lynn,
>
> That is correct, sir!
>
> Plus, I believe there is an armadillo haggis here.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> The latest Rev Editor Video:
> http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
>  offal |'?f?l; '?f?l|
>>> noun
>>> the entrails and internal organs of an animal used as food.
>>> ? refuse or waste material.
>>> ? decomposing animal flesh.
>>> ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [refuse from a
>>> process] ): probably suggested by Middle Dutch afval, from af
>>> ?off? + vallen ?to fall.?
>>>
>>> If you eat that crap (and I mean that in the most literal
>>> sense) you are going to need a lot more whiskey.
>>>
>>
>> Now you might want to ask Jerry or Chipp, but I think in Texan, the
>> definition for offal is "anything eaten that isn't steak" :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lynn Fredricks
>> President
>> Paradigma Software
>> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>>
>> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 25 13:37:22 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:22 -0800
Subject: HTML Editor
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001251037r3c042cdbk1f883a7118cfb3be@mail.gmail.com>

CK Editor won't work in revbrowser?


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/25 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>

> I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field
> (similar
> to FCKeditor).  Any direction would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


From Mark at Rauterkus.com  Mon Jan 25 13:39:27 2010
From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:39:27 -0500
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD
Message-ID: <322253fe1001251039u43401a94g26970d75f0a38007@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are many uses for a wiki to Rev project as there are many uses for wikis.

There is a big need for the migration of wiki pages to wikis. They may
not land at first blush within Wikipedia, but they could migrage to
any of the thousands of wikis at http://www.Wikia.com.

The concepts involve:
- a scrape (claw the content off of another source) and
- hyperlink / reformat so the content is with wiki markup,  and
- reposting is simple.

But there can be much more yet. I'd love to see Rev muscle put into
work for extra elements that go beyond the wiki pages.

For example, a sports league could have a wiki page on each player
that gives some basics. However when that page is with a coach or a
fan with the extras it would also keep all sorts of stats and extra
value added content that are too much for the wiki pages to organize.
All of that extra stuff could be linked to the wiki content.


-- 
Ta.


Mark Rauterkus       Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com
Swimming and Water Polo Coach, Schenley High School, Pittsburgh, PA
http://CLOH.wikia.com
412 298 3432 = cell


From kee at kagi.com  Mon Jan 25 14:08:57 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:08:57 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001251031k2981508byceff14254c4a208e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>
	<1471B25D05D848018533B7C26282FC7D@GATEWAY>
	<B38F3A92-1B4F-4699-8C0C-5A957DB418F4@me.com>
	<e5e009d71001251031k2981508byceff14254c4a208e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009EAE80-6774-4088-A9DD-EF83BDF15DD4@kagi.com>

I've made manifold baked potato on those long road trips across Texas. Yummy and cheap. Never tried cooking meat on the manifold.
Kee


On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:31 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> And roadkill haggis! Like manifold chicken.
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> 
> 
> 2010/1/25 Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>
> 
>> Lynn,
>> 
>> That is correct, sir!
>> 
>> Plus, I believe there is an armadillo haggis here.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jerry Daniels
>> 
>> The latest Rev Editor Video:
>> http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>> 
>> offal |'?f?l; '?f?l|
>>>> noun
>>>> the entrails and internal organs of an animal used as food.
>>>> ? refuse or waste material.
>>>> ? decomposing animal flesh.
>>>> ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [refuse from a
>>>> process] ): probably suggested by Middle Dutch afval, from af
>>>> ?off? + vallen ?to fall.?
>>>> 
>>>> If you eat that crap (and I mean that in the most literal
>>>> sense) you are going to need a lot more whiskey.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now you might want to ask Jerry or Chipp, but I think in Texan, the
>>> definition for offal is "anything eaten that isn't steak" :-)
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Lynn Fredricks
>>> President
>>> Paradigma Software
>>> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>>> 
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>>> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 14:16:58 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:16:58 -0800
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <009EAE80-6774-4088-A9DD-EF83BDF15DD4@kagi.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7CA14F9-9F28-4CCC-B6E1-B4D32A320B9E@twft.com>
	<1471B25D05D848018533B7C26282FC7D@GATEWAY>
	<B38F3A92-1B4F-4699-8C0C-5A957DB418F4@me.com>
	<e5e009d71001251031k2981508byceff14254c4a208e@mail.gmail.com>
	<009EAE80-6774-4088-A9DD-EF83BDF15DD4@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <1DECFBA4-6D75-4552-9A55-D87D17748CD4@cox.net>

Gentle people:

I realize this is a "friendly" list, but these OT postings, of which there have been MANY, clog up our emails unnecessarily. Minimally, please mark the subjects as OT so that they may be automatically deleted, or just hold your "tongues" and think the thoughts without expressing them to everyone.

Please.

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Kee Nethery wrote:

> I've made manifold baked potato on those long road trips across Texas. Yummy and cheap. Never tried cooking meat on the manifold.
> Kee
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:31 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
>> And roadkill haggis! Like manifold chicken.
>> 
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>> 



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 14:23:23 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:23:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <12984765171.20100125085952@ahsoftware.net>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<12984765171.20100125085952@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1264447403740-1289715.post@n4.nabble.com>


Notice that there is a veggetarian version too,
that looks really appetizing:

http://www.vegsoc.org/news/2001/burns.html
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 14:30:07 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:30:07 -0600
Subject: HTML Editor
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001251037r3c042cdbk1f883a7118cfb3be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001251037r3c042cdbk1f883a7118cfb3be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d21001251130g39e0b66ayccd2f13c6b1ae642@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen,

I was also looking into this.  I actually decided to write one myself
as I need a very basic editor.

Warren

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> CK Editor won't work in revbrowser?
>
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/25 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
>
>> I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field
>> (similar
>> to FCKeditor). ?Any direction would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Warren
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 14:35:41 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:35:41 +0200
Subject: Haggis Ban In America ends.
In-Reply-To: <1264447403740-1289715.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <e5e009d71001242315m752c4883kd8adc8157cccb02e@mail.gmail.com>	<12984765171.20100125085952@ahsoftware.net>
	<1264447403740-1289715.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4B5DF28D.5020205@gmail.com>

On 25/01/2010 21:23, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Notice that there is a veggetarian version too,
> that looks really appetizing:
>
> http://www.vegsoc.org/news/2001/burns.html
>    
Vegetarian haggis is actually far better than 'real' haggis as
a poor, old sheep doesn't have to get knocked on the head;

it also tastes extremely good.


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 15:32:09 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:32:09 +0100
Subject: Print dialog question
In-Reply-To: <5445C148-3140-4B33-A4EE-C58E98EC526C@skynet.be>
References: <A0D49887-D39F-4896-91C3-BAB7AF31773A@skynet.be>
	<64bda6471001241414h41644158p498f6043049de7e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5445C148-3140-4B33-A4EE-C58E98EC526C@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001251232o6c283841oc278ddfdbcd400b6@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/25 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>:
>
> it works fine
>
> thank you very much

You're welcome 8-)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 25 15:56:55 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:56:55 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <6C1D0501-E69F-488D-8279-B11B872B5159@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C7834597.4763B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
>> Is there an idle period you can set?
> 
> qtIdleRate

More on qtIdleRate...

It appears that setting the qtIdleRate to a high value (long update
interval) has no bearing on audio-only files played by the player, while
reducing processor use about 10 - 15%.  Is there any disadvantage to having
a high qtIdleRate value when the only files played by the player will be
audio files?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 16:01:04 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:01:04 -0500
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <C7834597.4763B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C7834597.4763B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <8B5A83D5-D451-4596-9529-E24F4D80414B@verizon.net>


On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Is there any disadvantage to having
> a high qtIdleRate value when the only files played by the player will be
> audio files?


You might want to do something else, say a repeat while the mousedown, and see (or hear) if the sound dries up with different idle settings.




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Jan 25 16:04:13 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:04:13 -0800
Subject: HTML Editor
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d21001251130g39e0b66ayccd2f13c6b1ae642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001251037r3c042cdbk1f883a7118cfb3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<bcabf3d21001251130g39e0b66ayccd2f13c6b1ae642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001251304p2af46021v466b603557789d78@mail.gmail.com>

There's a very useful stack called rev htmlToCss, with a CKEditor like
toolbar. It was a very good experiment and test stack to prepare rev
htmlText in a field for web use.


It was offered free by Dreamscape Software (Derek Bump?) and shows up at
warez sites (??) all over the net. Nothing on the Dreamscape site today.

 I thought it used to be on the first Rev Online, but I can't find it (and
have a hell of a time navigating either one ). I have it here along with
modified versions; Contact me off line if you can't find it among these
dubious sites:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=dreamscape+htmltocss&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Also Eric Chatonet* has a good demo stack to go from and to from rev
htmlText.

(* yes I know he's gone, but his site is still up and his utilities I use
every day.. )
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/25 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>

> Stephen,
>
> I was also looking into this.  I actually decided to write one myself
> as I need a very basic editor.
>
> Warren
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, stephen barncard
> <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> > CK Editor won't work in revbrowser?
> >
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> >
> >
> > 2010/1/25 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> >
> >> I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field
> >> (similar
> >> to FCKeditor).  Any direction would be greatly appreciated!
> >>
> >> Warren
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 16:15:32 2010
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:15:32 -0800
Subject: Continuous MouseDown Colorization of Graphic Grid?
In-Reply-To: <20100122180004.41CB0288058@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100122180004.41CB0288058@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2308423E-00B1-42DD-A4E5-0D0CB69CD5D6@mac.com>

Hi All...

I've created a grid of graphic rectangles that I can colorize and make  
transparent (blend). I would like to be able to let the user drag the  
mouse while holding the mouse button down and colorize each rectangle  
they drag across.  On the flip side, if the rectangle is already  
colorized, I would like to it to turn it's blend level to 100 and set  
its color to empty. Again, if there were a series of rectangles in the  
grid that were colorized, dragging across them with the mouse down  
with de-colorize them.

I can't seem to get my head around the mousedown while dragging part?   
I've tried mouseEnter, but that gets messy when accidentally dragging  
over a rect in the grid you don't want colorized; I have tried  
MouseStillDown with no luck there either.

Anyone done anything similar with a transparent grid?

The grid would sit on top of an image, like for example a map, and the  
colorizing would enable the user to, essentially, focus in on a  
particular part of the image below.


Thank you!

John Patten



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Jan 25 16:32:24 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:32:24 -0700
Subject: Continuous MouseDown Colorization of Graphic Grid?
In-Reply-To: <2308423E-00B1-42DD-A4E5-0D0CB69CD5D6@mac.com>
References: <20100122180004.41CB0288058@mail.runrev.com>
	<2308423E-00B1-42DD-A4E5-0D0CB69CD5D6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9CCCFAA0-3A3F-4D82-B320-20B89F8E61A1@byu.edu>

Hi John,

On Jan 25, 2010, at 2:15 PM, John Patten wrote:

> Hi All...
>
> I've created a grid of graphic rectangles that I can colorize and make
> transparent (blend). I would like to be able to let the user drag the
> mouse while holding the mouse button down and colorize each rectangle
> they drag across.  On the flip side, if the rectangle is already
> colorized, I would like to it to turn it's blend level to 100 and set
> its color to empty. Again, if there were a series of rectangles in the
> grid that were colorized, dragging across them with the mouse down
> with de-colorize them.
>
> I can't seem to get my head around the mousedown while dragging part?
> I've tried mouseEnter, but that gets messy when accidentally dragging
> over a rect in the grid you don't want colorized; I have tried
> MouseStillDown with no luck there either.
>
> Anyone done anything similar with a transparent grid?
>
> The grid would sit on top of an image, like for example a map, and the
> colorizing would enable the user to, essentially, focus in on a
> particular part of the image below.

The problem with most mouseMessages is that they are only sent to the  
object where the action originates. What is more, most mouse messages,  
like mouseEnter and mouseLeave, are not sent while the mouse is held  
down. The exception is mouseMove, which gets sent all the time, even  
when the mouse button is down. When I have had to do similar things to  
what you're doing, I have used a mouseMove handler and checked to see  
if the mouse is within various objects. If there aren't too many  
objects you're checking a switch statement seems to work well.  
Something like:

on mouseMove
   put the mouseLoc into tLoc
   switch
     case tLoc is within btn "a"
       -- do stuff to btn "a"
     break
     case tLoc is within btn "b"
       -- do stuff to btn "b"
     break
     -- etc., etc.
   end switch
end mouseMove

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 16:42:54 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:42:54 -0500
Subject: photoshop gifs not working in revWeb
Message-ID: <BFBAB9BF-CEF0-4749-851B-E85D6790802B@mac.com>

Is anyone else having trouble getting photoshop gifs to work in  
revWeb??? They don't animate at all and show only that they have two  
frames but I know they have thirteen.

Thanks in advance...


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html








From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 17:03:21 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:03:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD
In-Reply-To: <322253fe1001251039u43401a94g26970d75f0a38007@mail.gmail.com>
References: <322253fe1001251039u43401a94g26970d75f0a38007@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1264457001500-1289875.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Mark,


Mark Rauterkus wrote:
> 
> There are many uses for a wiki to Rev project as there are many uses for
> wikis.
> 
> There is a big need for the migration of wiki pages to wikis. They may
> not land at first blush within Wikipedia, but they could migrage to
> any of the thousands of wikis at http://www.Wikia.com.
> 
> The concepts involve:
> - a scrape (claw the content off of another source) and
> - hyperlink / reformat so the content is with wiki markup,  and
> - reposting is simple.
> 

This site "Wikia" looks like an important source of new content
for Wikipedia itself.


Mark Rauterkus wrote:
> 
> But there can be much more yet. I'd love to see Rev muscle put into
> work for extra elements that go beyond the wiki pages.
> 

For example, using the Text to speech technologies, available
in each platform (without installing new software).

Then, Who volunteers to participate in this project? :-D

Alejandro

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 25 18:10:18 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:10:18 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <8B5A83D5-D451-4596-9529-E24F4D80414B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C78364DA.4764D%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> Is there any disadvantage to having
>> a high qtIdleRate value when the only files played by the player will be
>> audio files?
> 
> 
> You might want to do something else, say a repeat while the mousedown, and see
> (or hear) if the sound dries up with different idle settings.

Well, here's one finding...

It appears that MP3/4 audio files encoded at a "high" rate (ie 256 kbps)
require a semi-frequent qtIdleRate.  After testing several AAC files, I was
able to get 256 kbps tracks to play with a qtIdleRate of 250 -- any rate
longer than this caused large gaps in the playback.

I will do some more testing but it seems that audio files encoded at "low"
rates -- 128 kbps and lower -- can play fine with a long qtIdleRate
interval.

Still working on that balance between performance and bogging down the
user's system like molasses in winter...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Jan 25 18:49:37 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Q] drawers - how broken ?
Message-ID: <7EF091F0-0C68-48DB-AD45-AD46010882C8@wehostmacs.com>

I know there were issues in the past with drawers becoming detached  
from the parent window (looked kind of cool but not very functional ;-)

Is anyone still running the combination of Mac OS X and Rev that has  
issues with drawers? If so, would you be interested in testing an  
external that could fix them?

Please contact me offlist  < support AT shaosean DOT tk >

-Sean


From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Mon Jan 25 18:53:16 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:53:16 -0800
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001cd41f009867af001cd41f.1cd424@CreaTECHSol.com>

First of all, I want to say that the RevLive09 DVD set is leaps and bounds
better than the 08 set.  No comparison.  Very well done.

Now my question.  Some of the sessions (like the first one) reference
downloaded resources for the session.

Where can we get those resources?  

Stewart

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From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Jan 25 20:11:17 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:11:17 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <C78364DA.4764D%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C78364DA.4764D%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <9670FE9E-ACFC-4124-8CE2-C7752E7F521E@dvcreators.net>

Incidentally, the docs on qtIdleRate have an error, they say:


"A higher idle rate will result in smoother playback but will also require more cpu time."

but they should say:

"A LOWER idle rate will result in smoother playback but will also require more cpu time."


Lowering the qtIdleRate from 20 (30% CPU) to 1 (50% CPU) improved playback performance dramatically for me.

I wonder what the qtIdleRate represents - maybe a "tick" (1/60 sec)?



On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there any disadvantage to having
>>> a high qtIdleRate value when the only files played by the player will be
>>> audio files?
>> 
>> 
>> You might want to do something else, say a repeat while the mousedown, and see
>> (or hear) if the sound dries up with different idle settings.
> 
> Well, here's one finding...
> 
> It appears that MP3/4 audio files encoded at a "high" rate (ie 256 kbps)
> require a semi-frequent qtIdleRate.  After testing several AAC files, I was
> able to get 256 kbps tracks to play with a qtIdleRate of 250 -- any rate
> longer than this caused large gaps in the playback.
> 
> I will do some more testing but it seems that audio files encoded at "low"
> rates -- 128 kbps and lower -- can play fine with a long qtIdleRate
> interval.
> 
> Still working on that balance between performance and bogging down the
> user's system like molasses in winter...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From tereza at califex.com  Mon Jan 25 20:23:04 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:23:04 -0600
Subject: Continuous MouseDown Colorization of Graphic Grid?
In-Reply-To: <9CCCFAA0-3A3F-4D82-B320-20B89F8E61A1@byu.edu>
References: <20100122180004.41CB0288058@mail.runrev.com>
	<2308423E-00B1-42DD-A4E5-0D0CB69CD5D6@mac.com>
	<9CCCFAA0-3A3F-4D82-B320-20B89F8E61A1@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <FA57405C-97D4-4E25-A3A3-2441AA56047A@califex.com>


On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 2:15 PM, John Patten wrote:
>> ?

>> Anyone done anything similar with a transparent grid?
>> 
>> The grid would sit on top of an image, like for example a map, and the
>> colorizing would enable the user to, essentially, focus in on a
>> particular part of the image below.
> 
> The problem with most mouseMessages is that they are only sent to the object where the action originates. What is more, most mouse messages, like mouseEnter and mouseLeave, are not sent while the mouse is held down. The exception is mouseMove, which gets sent all the time, even when the mouse button is down. When I have had to do similar things to what you're doing, I have used a mouseMove handler and checked to see if the mouse is within various objects. If there aren't too many objects you're checking a switch statement seems to work well. Something like:
> 
> on mouseMove
>  put the mouseLoc into tLoc
>  switch
>    case tLoc is within btn "a"
>      -- do stuff to btn "a"
>    break
>    case tLoc is within btn "b"
>      -- do stuff to btn "b"
>    break
>    -- etc., etc.
>  end switch
> end mouseMove
> 

If there are too many objects:

You might name your rectangles in such a way that once you calculate which grc is under the cursor by the cursor location, you can refer to it by name. Lets say each grid rect is 100 pixels.  

gridX = (mouseX - gridLeft) div 100 
gridY = (mouseY - gridlTop) div 100 

Then if the grid rects are named "grid X Y", you can compose grid rect names with something like 

merge( "grid [[ gridX ]] [[ gridY ]]" ) 
or "grid" && gridX && gridY.

If you layer the grcs very carefully, you can calculate which grc is under the cursor and refer to it by number (which is faster than by name, I believe).

Dont forget to detect whether the mouse is outside the grid!

t




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 25 20:28:29 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:28:29 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <9670FE9E-ACFC-4124-8CE2-C7752E7F521E@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <C783853D.47667%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> Incidentally, the docs on qtIdleRate have an error, they say:
> 
> 
> "A higher idle rate will result in smoother playback but will also require
> more cpu time."
> 
> but they should say:
> 
> "A LOWER idle rate will result in smoother playback but will also require more
> cpu time."

I wouldn't say the docs are wrong, just ambiguous.  "High" could refer to
the duration of the idle interval (a high number), or could refer to the
frequency of updates (high frequency).


> Lowering the qtIdleRate from 20 (30% CPU) to 1 (50% CPU) improved playback
> performance dramatically for me.

I don't see how setting the qtIdleRate to 1 leads to 50% CPU.  Doing this
sets the delay between player updates to 1 millisecond.  Over here, doing so
spikes CPU usage to 100%, which is in keeping with any other message sending
that occurs with a frequency less than 1 second (ie a send loop like send
"updateMe" to this card in 1 millisec).  Are you also doing something with
the idleRate? (not qtIdleRate)


> I wonder what the qtIdleRate represents - maybe a "tick" (1/60 sec)?

The docs say the qtIdleRate is the time in milliseconds between one update
of a player and the next.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Jan 25 21:52:43 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:52:43 -0800
Subject: Minimize Excessive Player Processor Use?
In-Reply-To: <C783853D.47667%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C783853D.47667%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <320B7AF0-AE72-491F-96AF-68801330704F@dvcreators.net>


On Jan 25, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Josh Mellicker wrote:
> 
>> Incidentally, the docs on qtIdleRate have an error, they say:
>> 
>> 
>> "A higher idle rate will result in smoother playback but will also require
>> more cpu time."
>> 
>> but they should say:
>> 
>> "A LOWER idle rate will result in smoother playback but will also require more
>> cpu time."
> 
> I wouldn't say the docs are wrong, just ambiguous.  "High" could refer to
> the duration of the idle interval (a high number), or could refer to the
> frequency of updates (high frequency).


That's what I assumed, but since the docs say both:

So they say "a higher idle rate... require(s) more CPU time"

and:

"Increasing the qtIdleRate... decreases the amount of CPU time"

you need to make the assumption that the words "higher" and "increasing" mean opposite things, and you have a 50% chance of getting that right :-)


> 
> 
>> Lowering the qtIdleRate from 20 (30% CPU) to 1 (50% CPU) improved playback
>> performance dramatically for me.
> 
> I don't see how setting the qtIdleRate to 1 leads to 50% CPU.

I am judging by the Processes tab in the Task Manager of a POS Vista laptop... I'm sure there's a better way to gauge CPU usage on Vista, can you recommend a utility?

Getting smooth Quicktime video playback in Revolution, especially on Vista, has been a problem for us, but lowering the qtIdleRate to 1 from the default (the 4.0 docs say 50 is default, the 4.5 docs say 20) improved playback performance dramatically.


>  Doing this
> sets the delay between player updates to 1 millisecond.  Over here, doing so
> spikes CPU usage to 100%, which is in keeping with any other message sending
> that occurs with a frequency less than 1 second (ie a send loop like send
> "updateMe" to this card in 1 millisec).  Are you also doing something with
> the idleRate? (not qtIdleRate)


No, but I think we'll experiment with that next. It would be GREAT to get a little clarification from the RunRev folks about how the qtIdleRate and idleRate work together, and also recommend specific strategies to get the best video playback performance with the lowest CPU usage.


> 
> 
>> I wonder what the qtIdleRate represents - maybe a "tick" (1/60 sec)?
> 
> The docs say the qtIdleRate is the time in milliseconds between one update
> of a player and the next.

Aha!

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 25 21:56:05 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:56:05 -0200
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001cd41f009867af001cd41f.1cd424@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <fc.009867af001cd41f009867af001cd41f.1cd424@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>

hohoho

could you actually understand me in there or you didn't see any of my
sessions?

:D

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:53 PM, RevList <RevList at createchsol.com> wrote:

> First of all, I want to say that the RevLive09 DVD set is leaps and bounds
> better than the 08 set.  No comparison.  Very well done.
>
> Now my question.  Some of the sessions (like the first one) reference
> downloaded resources for the session.
>
> Where can we get those resources?
>
> Stewart
>
>
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 25 22:23:56 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:23:56 -0600
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc.009867af001cd41f009867af001cd41f.1cd424@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF03EF91-BF0D-425E-89EA-855C67E31446@earthlink.net>

Are you saying you got the DVDs already?  I haven't gotten mine yet.  
When were they shipped?

On Jan 25, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> hohoho
>
> could you actually understand me in there or you didn't see any of my
> sessions?
>
> :D
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:53 PM, RevList <RevList at createchsol.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> First of all, I want to say that the RevLive09 DVD set is leaps and  
>> bounds
>> better than the 08 set.  No comparison.  Very well done.
>>
>> Now my question.  Some of the sessions (like the first one) reference
>> downloaded resources for the session.
>>
>> Where can we get those resources?
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the
>> individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain  
>> information that
>> is privileged or confidential. If you have received this  
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 25 22:27:00 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:27:00 -0200
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <CF03EF91-BF0D-425E-89EA-855C67E31446@earthlink.net>
References: <fc.009867af001cd41f009867af001cd41f.1cd424@CreaTECHSol.com> 
	<7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<CF03EF91-BF0D-425E-89EA-855C67E31446@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001251927v76e0c1d4pf364a4f015fbd291@mail.gmail.com>

Marian,

They are shipping now, the UK ones are gone already as far as I know...

:D

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Petrides, M.D. Marian <
mpetrides at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Are you saying you got the DVDs already?  I haven't gotten mine yet. When
> were they shipped?
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  hohoho
>>
>> could you actually understand me in there or you didn't see any of my
>> sessions?
>>
>> :D
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:53 PM, RevList <RevList at createchsol.com> wrote:
>>
>>  First of all, I want to say that the RevLive09 DVD set is leaps and
>>> bounds
>>> better than the 08 set.  No comparison.  Very well done.
>>>
>>> Now my question.  Some of the sessions (like the first one) reference
>>> downloaded resources for the session.
>>>
>>> Where can we get those resources?
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that
>>> is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by
>>> mistake, please notify us immediately.
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>>>
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From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Mon Jan 25 22:58:26 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:58:26 -0800
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>

How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> on January 25,
2010 at 6:56 PM -0800 wrote:
>hohoho
>
>could you actually understand me in there or you didn't see any of my
>sessions?
What I am saying is that I got the DVDs today and have been watching some
of the sessions.  Many of them use sample files that are no longer
available on the web site links that are referenced in the videos.
I would like to have these so that I can look at the scripts just as they
did in the session.

Make sense?  These files should be available to us.

Stewart

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From curry at pair.com  Mon Jan 25 23:10:20 2010
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:10:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <20100125180005.3537A2880F2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100125180005.3537A2880F2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <51925.76.215.136.122.1264479020.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>


Howdy RunRevvers,

I'm cooking up a library to export Revolution text fields to MS Word and
Open Office documents. There will be Excel spreadsheet support too.

If you would like to try a beta of the Word export in a few days, let me
know off-list and mention whether you use Windows and/or Mac.

Thanks,

Curry Kenworthy
curryk.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 23:19:53 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:19:53 +0800
Subject: [ANN] tRev Gets Better PDF Docs, Enhanced Scratch Pad Editing 
	(video)
In-Reply-To: <865862BD-A7C9-42AC-98A6-D443AD44D44A@me.com>
References: <865862BD-A7C9-42AC-98A6-D443AD44D44A@me.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001252019y3655ee92x15a11fa4427395f4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jerry,

followed the iWork link and got:

 Enter your Apple ID and password to view this document.

Your Apple ID must be entered in lowercase.
Document doesn't exist.

Document password is incorrect, or the document is no longer available.
Continue
The document you requested doesn't exist or is no longer active.

Hmmmm, and that's really interesting. I just copied and pasted the dialog
text from the iWork site to here so I'd get the text absolutely correct, yet
on the dialog I can see only the first and last line above, the bit in the
middle magically appeared when I pasted into here.

Outcome is the same though, I can't check out your new and improved pdfs.

Thanks


On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:

> tRev users,
>
> We have just updated the documentation for tRev to accomodate the new
> Scratch Pad feature with its new window style and multi-instance
> architecture. Here's the link to a page with links to the Quickstart guide
> and the Shortcuts.
>
>    http://reveditor.com/trev-quickstart-shortcuts-now-on-iworkcom
>
> These nice little PDFs are hosted on iWork.com and view really well, let
> you download them or print them. Best of all, there is no log-in of any sort
> required.
>
> We've also enhanced the Scratch Pad editing process so that it's done
> directly--without the inconvenience of a separate editor. I have a
> super-short video showing how to edit and annotate your links in the Scratch
> Pad. Here's the link:
>
>    http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-enhancement
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> The latest Rev Editor Video:
> http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 25 23:26:28 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:26:28 -0200
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001252026n477b2f41y74cab615189115b@mail.gmail.com>

I think all my files are still available at the same locations but in any
case, I will check tomorrow and make them available at a better place. Ok?

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:58 AM, RevList <RevList at createchsol.com> wrote:

> How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> on January 25,
> 2010 at 6:56 PM -0800 wrote:
> >hohoho
> >
> >could you actually understand me in there or you didn't see any of my
> >sessions?
> What I am saying is that I got the DVDs today and have been watching some
> of the sessions.  Many of them use sample files that are no longer
> available on the web site links that are referenced in the videos.
> I would like to have these so that I can look at the scripts just as they
> did in the session.
>
> Make sense?  These files should be available to us.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the
> individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that
> is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by
> mistake, please notify us immediately.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 23:32:53 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:32:53 +0800
Subject: [ANN] tRev Gets Better PDF Docs, Enhanced Scratch Pad Editing 
	(video)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001252019y3655ee92x15a11fa4427395f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865862BD-A7C9-42AC-98A6-D443AD44D44A@me.com>
	<f73a98161001252019y3655ee92x15a11fa4427395f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001252032j32eeb86cu52ac11967c0def3b@mail.gmail.com>

OK, that's even weirder.

Prior to hitting the Send button my reply had nothing in it about:

Enter your Apple ID and password to view this document.

Yet another line that just magically appeared.

Weird.

So, just to clarify. I followed the link in your email to your blog page.
>From there I followed the Quickstart link to the iWork.com page. At that
point I got a simple webpage that stated (and this time I'll type it
myself):

Document doesn't exist.
The document your requested doesn't exist or is no longer active.

There were no buttons, no login prompts (I do have an Apple ID), nothing but
simple text and an apple logo at the bottom.

This was in Firefox. I just tried in Safari and it's basically the same,
although Safari had the waterwheel cursor (the one you get on intial startup
or shutdown) for about 5 seconds, under the Document doesn't exist line
before coming up with the last line about no longer active.

HTH

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
>
> followed the iWork link and got:
>
>  Enter your Apple ID and password to view this document.
>
> Your Apple ID must be entered in lowercase.
> Document doesn't exist.
>
> Document password is incorrect, or the document is no longer available.
> Continue
> The document you requested doesn't exist or is no longer active.
>
> Hmmmm, and that's really interesting. I just copied and pasted the dialog
> text from the iWork site to here so I'd get the text absolutely correct, yet
> on the dialog I can see only the first and last line above, the bit in the
> middle magically appeared when I pasted into here.
>
> Outcome is the same though, I can't check out your new and improved pdfs.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>wrote:
>
>> tRev users,
>>
>> We have just updated the documentation for tRev to accomodate the new
>> Scratch Pad feature with its new window style and multi-instance
>> architecture. Here's the link to a page with links to the Quickstart guide
>> and the Shortcuts.
>>
>>    http://reveditor.com/trev-quickstart-shortcuts-now-on-iworkcom
>>
>> These nice little PDFs are hosted on iWork.com and view really well, let
>> you download them or print them. Best of all, there is no log-in of any sort
>> required.
>>
>> We've also enhanced the Scratch Pad editing process so that it's done
>> directly--without the inconvenience of a separate editor. I have a
>> super-short video showing how to edit and annotate your links in the Scratch
>> Pad. Here's the link:
>>
>>    http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-enhancement
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>>
>> The latest Rev Editor Video:
>> http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
>


From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 23:53:05 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:53:05 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
Message-ID: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>

I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.

I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.

Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into account the time zone offset.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:36:16 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +1000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.
>
> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>
> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into account the time zone offset.


Correct. The seconds taken at an instant in time will give the same
result no matter where you are and what time zone you are in.
Converting it to any other format then applies the time zone of the
computer doing the conversions.

As an example, my time zone is +1000 and at the moment, using this
line of script,  I get:

put the seconds & cr & the long time && the long date

1264484095
3:34:55 PM Tuesday, January 26, 2010

If you take that value of seconds and convert it, you will get
whatever time it was in your zone when it was 3:34 for me.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 00:38:33 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:38:33 -0600
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <4B5E7FD9.80608@hyperactivesw.com>

RevList wrote:

> What I am saying is that I got the DVDs today and have been watching some
> of the sessions.  Many of them use sample files that are no longer
> available on the web site links that are referenced in the videos.
> I would like to have these so that I can look at the scripts just as they
> did in the session.
> 
> Make sense?  These files should be available to us.

Yeah, they should. I didn't think I took them off but you're right they 
aren't there any more. I have to go find them and re-upload. I'll try to 
do that tomorrow and will post when they're up.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 00:48:55 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:48:55 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E7BAA7C7-3523-4A9C-8EA3-2E4C68BD39AD@yahoo.com>

Do a quick test

put the seconds -- make a note of the value

set your computer clock to yesterday
put the seconds

set your computer clock to 1971
put the seconds

set your computer clock to 1969
put the seconds

GMT may be part of your answer.

Sarah has a very definitive stack that goes into to detail and examples

    DateTime.rev
http://www.troz.net/rev/index.irev?category=Library#stacks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Jan 25, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time  
> zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The  
> "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get  
> thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.
>
> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local  
> time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>
> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere  
> in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to  
> account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound  
> like it already takes into account the time zone offset.
>
> Bill Vlahos







From joef1 at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 01:07:55 2010
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:07:55 -0500
Subject: Vista/Win7 priveleges
In-Reply-To: <002801ca9ba4$2bca4ae0$835ee0a0$@com>
References: <4B59E923.2010102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<001701ca9b94$4e7695e0$eb63c1a0$@com>
	<4B5A0208.5020102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<002801ca9ba4$2bca4ae0$835ee0a0$@com>
Message-ID: <12E28F47-8BF7-48C9-A4AC-9521818801D2@mac.com>

I just had to deal with something like this in a standalone I created  
for a guy running it in Vista.

Apparently there's a difference depending on where the app is  
installed. I put mine in Program Files on his c drive.
Even though he's the only user on the computer and has admin  
privileges, my Rev app wasn't writing text files to disk in its own  
directory.

No error, nothing to indicate it wasn't working.

The fix was to right click my app and set its properties to "run as  
administrator".
Evidently, even though he has admin permissions, an app he launches  
has to be specifically set to run as administrator in order to write  
to a file outside his own Documents folder.

I was lucky to find the solution pretty quickly and thus didn't have  
to study it very much; so there may be (probably is) a lot more to it  
than that. But it worked, and I was happy.

Joe F.

On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Jacque wrote:
>
>> My client wants that auto-run checkbox because his customer base
>> is largely computer illiterate. Many don't know how to start an app
>> without it.
>>
>> (Makes me wish you had to get some kind of license to run a  
>> computer.)
>
> Well, if they are that illiterate, you may want to consider starting  
> your
> splash screen (if on Vista) with a message that says something to  
> the effect
> of, *Please click "Allow" for any permissions your computer may  
> request.*
> Because if they click Deny, your program will never run on that  
> computer
> until it is removed from the blocked list. And, if they don't know  
> how to
> run a program, they certainly won't know how to do this.
>
> When I say Vista blocks the program from running, it actually lets the
> program load. But, before the program can "do" anything like access  
> the
> local hard drives, the dialog is presented. Also, let's say your  
> program
> does attempt to access the Internet or ports at some point, there  
> could be a
> second dialog presented.
>
> So, for example, in one app I have, I do exactly this. When the  
> program
> first launches, I throw up a splash message telling them to click  
> Allow to
> any requests and then write a little text file and then make an  
> unnecessary
> and arbitrary request to the Internet. These two actions are just to  
> "force"
> any possible dialogs from Vista. When I get past the Internet  
> request, I
> take down the message. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>
>
>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 01:10:20 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:10:20 +0900
Subject: bug in Resource Center "Internet chat" stack?
Message-ID: <1e91b2b71001252210h6323afe2t763c62ad6a37cbf8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

While learning about sockets and global arrays, I found a problem with
the following line in Rev's "Internet chat" stack:

 delete lChatterArray[s]

This is wrong, right?

Cause it began to work only once I changed it to:

  delete global lChatterArray[s]

Posting in case other's too hit on this bug -- if indeed it is a bug.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 01:25:36 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:25:36 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>

Sarah,

Thanks for confirming it. Slick.

Bill

On Jan 25, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
>> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.
>> 
>> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
>> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>> 
>> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into account the time zone offset.
> 
> 
> Correct. The seconds taken at an instant in time will give the same
> result no matter where you are and what time zone you are in.
> Converting it to any other format then applies the time zone of the
> computer doing the conversions.
> 
> As an example, my time zone is +1000 and at the moment, using this
> line of script,  I get:
> 
> put the seconds & cr & the long time && the long date
> 
> 1264484095
> 3:34:55 PM Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> 
> If you take that value of seconds and convert it, you will get
> whatever time it was in your zone when it was 3:34 for me.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 01:37:19 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:37:19 +0800
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001252237m1559faa5oe4d0fdb2f69c79f5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

>
> I've not heard any public commitment to the iPhone platform from RunRev,
> but there have been a lot of requests for it.
>
> That'd be right.

I finally bite the bullet as I'd decided Rev was going to introduce iPhone
compatibility about as fast as it's going to do introduce a 4.0 Linux and
Mac OS Classic engines so I asked Santa for some iPhone programming books,
and because I was good last year, under the Christmas tree I found:

Programming in Objective-C 2.0 2nd Edition - Stephen G Kochan - Addison
Wesley

I like this book because "The book does not assume previous experience with
either C or object-oriented programming languages".

iPhone Application Development for Dummies 2nd Edition - Neal Goldstein -
Wiley

iPhone Application Development in 24 hrs - John Ray & Sean Johnson - SAMS

And so NOW Rev announce that they are going to do iPhone support.

I'm not complaining, just the opposite, I wish I'd learn; I should have
bought the iPhone books ages ago, then Rev would have announced iPhone
support ages ago less 2 weeks, and so I'd be doing iPhone apps in Rev by
now.

So RevMobile release date will be directly proportional to whether I open
the above books or not. If I don't bother opening the books because I
believe RevMobile is just around the corner, then it will be like a family
vacation,... are we there yet.... If I expend blood, sweat and tears working
my way through the books, shortly after finally getting my App to work,
RevMobile will come out and I'll be able to reproduce the same in one tenth
the time.

If anyone wants Rev 4.0 Linux or Classic engines please email me off-list to
persuade me spend time and money to go down that path - Rev will then make
an announcement 2 weeks later ;-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 02:25:40 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:25:40 +0800
Subject: Rev and SnoLeo
Message-ID: <f73a98161001252325r6bde1318l1bf22bb53d47bcb0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Medard <liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com>wrote:

>
> What about "The Missing Manual for On-Rev" ?
>
> ;-)
>
> This reminds me. For Christmas I received Snow Leopard the Missing Manual,
in it it states, as to why SnoLeo shuts down faster than previous versions
of OS X:

"to save time, Snow Leopard doesn't quit programs the way it used to - it
kills them. It checks to see if they have unsaved documents or un-backed-up
preference setting changes first, of course. But if not, it issues a kill
command to them, which terminates them instantly"

Note that this isn't just when you shutdown, but whenever you Quit any
program.

Surely this can't be correct?

I know with some of my stacks, if I get into a situation, like an infinite
loop, and I need to kill the process, that I end up with a whole bunch of
open sockets or DB server connections because the handlers to clean all
these up haven't run.

If SnoLeo kills programs, does this mean in situations where you haven't
changed preferences or a document (and I can imagine plenty of situations
where that isn't going to happen) cleanup routines are no longer going to be
run in Rev?


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 07:36:35 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:36:35 +0000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>

Hang on :-)  I seem to remember Jacques saying recently that she'd
found that the internet date was more reliable across time zones than
storing seconds.

I'm sure Jacques will be along soon to give us details or tell me
(ever so politely) that I'm wrong.

Bernard

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> Thanks for confirming it. Slick.
>
> Bill
>
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
>>> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.
>>>
>>> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
>>> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>>>
>>> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into account the time zone offset.
>>
>>
>> Correct. The seconds taken at an instant in time will give the same
>> result no matter where you are and what time zone you are in.
>> Converting it to any other format then applies the time zone of the
>> computer doing the conversions.
>>
>> As an example, my time zone is +1000 and at the moment, using this
>> line of script, ?I get:
>>
>> put the seconds & cr & the long time && the long date
>>
>> 1264484095
>> 3:34:55 PM Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>>
>> If you take that value of seconds and convert it, you will get
>> whatever time it was in your zone when it was 3:34 for me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 07:40:41 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:40:41 +0000
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001252237m1559faa5oe4d0fdb2f69c79f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98161001252237m1559faa5oe4d0fdb2f69c79f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001260440g58fedfdfg28e9301b90428c69@mail.gmail.com>

This is like a "Kay Back Machine", right :-)  I have some OS/2 books I
can send you so they can start working on Revolution for OS/2.

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Bernard

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone wants Rev 4.0 Linux or Classic engines please email me off-list to
> persuade me spend time and money to go down that path - Rev will then make
> an announcement 2 weeks later ;-)


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 07:46:56 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:46:56 +0000
Subject: HTML Editor
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001251304p2af46021v466b603557789d78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d21001250528k77865d02m2d3f465c15e9ac36@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001251037r3c042cdbk1f883a7118cfb3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<bcabf3d21001251130g39e0b66ayccd2f13c6b1ae642@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001251304p2af46021v466b603557789d78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001260446r5f4d1f8eia536ab0bf4c98ccc@mail.gmail.com>

I had to shout out "Thank you, Eric" last week (to the bemusement of
the assembled company).  I was trying to create a popup menu within a
field, whilst maintaining the selection within the field, and it just
seemed impossible.  I searched the list and there was Eric with the
surprisingly simple answer that only a guru would know.

Bernard

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:04 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> Also Eric Chatonet* has a good demo stack to go from and to from rev
> htmlText.
>
> (* yes I know he's gone, but his site is still up and his utilities I use
> every day.. )


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 26 08:29:00 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:29:00 -0200
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001260440g58fedfdfg28e9301b90428c69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98161001252237m1559faa5oe4d0fdb2f69c79f5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<edcc7e6b1001260440g58fedfdfg28e9301b90428c69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001260529q4872735asb199a394df33367@mail.gmail.com>

wait for my books on BeOS and the NewtonOS... Revolution will be
ubiquitous...

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is like a "Kay Back Machine", right :-)  I have some OS/2 books I
> can send you so they can start working on Revolution for OS/2.
>
> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
>
> Bernard
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > If anyone wants Rev 4.0 Linux or Classic engines please email me off-list
> to
> > persuade me spend time and money to go down that path - Rev will then
> make
> > an announcement 2 weeks later ;-)
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue Jan 26 08:30:59 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:30:59 +0100
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3588EF1-05B9-4120-A078-36850F202E4F@unil.ch>

Be careful with the spelling ! Jacques has a beard, smokes pipe, likes brussel sprouts (oups, sorry) and is definitively different from Jacque...

But I can nevertheless say that I did set my computer (Mac OS X) to different time zones and the seconds didn't change accordingly... they seem trustable within a computer.

Jacques

Le 26 janv. 2010 ? 13:36, Bernard Devlin a ?crit :

> Hang on :-)  I seem to remember Jacques saying recently that she'd
> found that the internet date was more reliable across time zones than
> storing seconds.
> 
> I'm sure Jacques will be along soon to give us details or tell me
> (ever so politely) that I'm wrong.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
>> Sarah,
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming it. Slick.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.
>>>> 
>>>> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
>>>> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>>>> 
>>>> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into account the time zone offset.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Correct. The seconds taken at an instant in time will give the same
>>> result no matter where you are and what time zone you are in.
>>> Converting it to any other format then applies the time zone of the
>>> computer doing the conversions.
>>> 
>>> As an example, my time zone is +1000 and at the moment, using this
>>> line of script,  I get:
>>> 
>>> put the seconds & cr & the long time && the long date
>>> 
>>> 1264484095
>>> 3:34:55 PM Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>>> 
>>> If you take that value of seconds and convert it, you will get
>>> whatever time it was in your zone when it was 3:34 for me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sarah
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jan 26 09:08:55 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:08:55 +0100
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <20100122180004.8CF50288150@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100122180004.8CF50288150@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA75A7D3-9422-4412-BF8A-7C27B5DA7D22@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

As you know my company has been writing games for quite a while. Using our animationEngine, we have been able to create fast, fun, award-winning games using Revolution. However, recent changes in our business plan do not leave enough time to continue our game efforts. Most revenue comes from health care software, so the other guys of derbrill will focus mainly on that.

I will remain your contact person for all things revolution related. In my endeavors as a rev consultant I will set up a few new ideas to move things forward.

What does this mean? As we move out of games creation, we want to make it easy for others to take our place!

http://www.awesomemegamightygames.com/pages/en/games/get-the-source.php

Starting today, we are offering a source-code, heavily commented version of drops! We will let you build your own version of our games. Our first release is drops!, our bestseller game. You may obtain a license to the sources for an introductory price of $59 ($79 as of Feb. 14th).

All the best,

Malte

From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 09:12:35 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:12:35 EST
Subject: The seconds and time zones
Message-ID: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>

Yes.

The seconds returns the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970. And this is in 
GMT, or standard universal time. So any computer anywhere will always read 
the same number of seconds, provided their own time is correct. With that 
you can perform identical calculations as needed.

craig Newman


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Jan 26 09:23:30 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
Message-ID: <9E5C7093-04AB-4532-8E35-A0F06EC4272A@wehostmacs.com>

Nifty idea.. now people like me can see how things work and either put  
in features we always wanted or to get a piece of our own puzzle  
working..

-Sean


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Jan 26 09:25:01 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:25:01 -0600
Subject: [ANN] tRev Gets Better PDF Docs,
	Enhanced Scratch Pad Editing	(video)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001252019y3655ee92x15a11fa4427395f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865862BD-A7C9-42AC-98A6-D443AD44D44A@me.com>
	<f73a98161001252019y3655ee92x15a11fa4427395f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3594FCE2-4A0A-4324-A84D-E9ED27E2CB70@me.com>

Kay,

Go to http://reveditor.com and click on the Quickstart link on the  
right side of the page. I don't know what link you are using, but I  
did have to change the URL once last week. Your page may need  
refreshing.

You can also go to the docs from the help menu in the latest tRev.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev

On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
>
> followed the iWork link and got:
>
> Enter your Apple ID and password to view this document.
>
> Your Apple ID must be entered in lowercase.
> Document doesn't exist.
>
> Document password is incorrect, or the document is no longer  
> available.
> Continue
> The document you requested doesn't exist or is no longer active.
>
> Hmmmm, and that's really interesting. I just copied and pasted the  
> dialog
> text from the iWork site to here so I'd get the text absolutely  
> correct, yet
> on the dialog I can see only the first and last line above, the bit  
> in the
> middle magically appeared when I pasted into here.
>
> Outcome is the same though, I can't check out your new and improved  
> pdfs.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Jerry Daniels  
> <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>
>> tRev users,
>>
>> We have just updated the documentation for tRev to accomodate the new
>> Scratch Pad feature with its new window style and multi-instance
>> architecture. Here's the link to a page with links to the  
>> Quickstart guide
>> and the Shortcuts.
>>
>>   http://reveditor.com/trev-quickstart-shortcuts-now-on-iworkcom
>>
>> These nice little PDFs are hosted on iWork.com and view really  
>> well, let
>> you download them or print them. Best of all, there is no log-in of  
>> any sort
>> required.
>>
>> We've also enhanced the Scratch Pad editing process so that it's done
>> directly--without the inconvenience of a separate editor. I have a
>> super-short video showing how to edit and annotate your links in  
>> the Scratch
>> Pad. Here's the link:
>>
>>   http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-enhancement
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>>
>> The latest Rev Editor Video:
>> http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers
>>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 26 09:24:50 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:24:50 -0200
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <9E5C7093-04AB-4532-8E35-A0F06EC4272A@wehostmacs.com>
References: <9E5C7093-04AB-4532-8E35-A0F06EC4272A@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001260624k79fc9868j56b16aaecb7686da@mail.gmail.com>

for example, replace that damn cheating code that Malte put there so that
you'd have a "special bonus oportunity" but it always happens with the most
difficult colors and the ones you have less...

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:

> Nifty idea.. now people like me can see how things work and either put in
> features we always wanted or to get a piece of our own puzzle working..
>
> -Sean
>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jan 26 09:30:59 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:30:59 +0100
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <20100122180004.8CF50288150@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100122180004.8CF50288150@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F7D18C81-6312-4340-B35B-C957791E3C0B@derbrill.de>

Andre wrote:
> for example, replace that damn cheating code that Malte put there so that
> you'd have a "special bonus oportunity" but it always happens with the most
> difficult colors and the ones you have less...
Lol. You figured it out. :-)


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 26 09:36:30 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:36:30 -0200
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <F7D18C81-6312-4340-B35B-C957791E3C0B@derbrill.de>
References: <20100122180004.8CF50288150@mail.runrev.com>
	<F7D18C81-6312-4340-B35B-C957791E3C0B@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001260636t546d264eu96d8bac47636970f@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I figured it out when it appeared to me and I saw you grinning.... :D

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill
<revolution at derbrill.de>wrote:

> Andre wrote:
> > for example, replace that damn cheating code that Malte put there so that
> > you'd have a "special bonus oportunity" but it always happens with the
> most
> > difficult colors and the ones you have less...
> Lol. You figured it out. :-)
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jan 26 09:51:19 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:51:19 -0800
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <BA75A7D3-9422-4412-BF8A-7C27B5DA7D22@derbrill.de>
References: <20100122180004.8CF50288150@mail.runrev.com>
	<BA75A7D3-9422-4412-BF8A-7C27B5DA7D22@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <50C43029-69C8-4157-84F1-CC62788E8B02@pacifier.com>

Thanks Malte

Showing every aspect of creating a commercial application in Rev  
alone is worth the money
and then to provide the code, artwork & sounds too plus allowing  
people to use it royalty free
to make their own version of the game is as good as it gets.

You got my money!

-=>JB<=-




On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:08 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As you know my company has been writing games for quite a while.  
> Using our animationEngine, we have been able to create fast, fun,  
> award-winning games using Revolution. However, recent changes in  
> our business plan do not leave enough time to continue our game  
> efforts. Most revenue comes from health care software, so the other  
> guys of derbrill will focus mainly on that.
>
> I will remain your contact person for all things revolution  
> related. In my endeavors as a rev consultant I will set up a few  
> new ideas to move things forward.
>
> What does this mean? As we move out of games creation, we want to  
> make it easy for others to take our place!
>
> http://www.awesomemegamightygames.com/pages/en/games/get-the- 
> source.php
>
> Starting today, we are offering a source-code, heavily commented  
> version of drops! We will let you build your own version of our  
> games. Our first release is drops!, our bestseller game. You may  
> obtain a license to the sources for an introductory price of $59  
> ($79 as of Feb. 14th).
>
> All the best,
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 26 10:18:42 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:18:42 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
Message-ID: <4B5F07D2.9070508@fourthworld.com>

Jacques Hausser (who is not Jacque) wrote:

 > But I can nevertheless say that I did set my computer (Mac OS X)
 > to different time zones and the seconds didn't change accordingly...
 > they seem trustable within a computer.

The engine's internal clock is initialized when the engine starts up, so 
if you quit before you change your time zone the seconds will be 
reliable for comparisons across time zones.

Here's a quick test I just did to verify this:

At 7:01AM PST I got these values:
   Seconds: 1264518037
   Internet Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:01:02 -0800

Then I quit Rev, opened my System Control Panel, changed my location to 
Brisbane AU, restarted Rev, and got these:
   Seconds: 1264518145
   Internet Date:  Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:02:09 +1000

While the difference in global time is several hours, the difference in 
the seconds is merely 108, roughly the amount of time I spent quitting 
and changing my system's location.

FWIW, I also tried this without quitting Rev in between, and apparently 
it does not update the time zone until you restart.

So it appears the seconds are indeed useful for comparing times and 
dates across time zones, provided the time zone does not change while 
the engine is running.

Personally, I prefer the Internet date format because it's 
human-readable.  It also works at the same level of granularity 
(seconds) but carries the additional benefit of storing the time zone it 
was acquired in.

The latter may not be useful for many apps, but I have one case where I 
need to know where people are in addition to when they perform a given 
action, and having the GMT offset embedded in the string helps me narrow 
that down.


There is an unfortunate implication with this:  because the engine needs 
to be restarted to update the GMT offset of its internal clock, this 
means that automatic changes to time zones like moving from PST to PDT 
will be ignored by the engine.

Anyone know if there's an RQCC request for that?

--
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  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 10:20:06 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:20:06 +0000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>
References: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be glad if Jacque (no s) confirms this. It will make my life easier.

I was sure she had recommended internet date.

Bernard

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:12 PM,  <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> Yes.
>
> The seconds returns the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970. And this is in
> GMT, or standard universal time. So any computer anywhere will always read
> the same number of seconds, provided their own time is correct. With that
> you can perform identical calculations as needed.
>
> craig Newman
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 26 11:06:43 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:06:43 -0200
Subject: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001260806s41b99df3w8986ed6890b0ab7e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.

don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
possible, anyone knows how to solve this?

Thanks in advance
anre

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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 11:17:50 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:17:50 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <4B5F07D2.9070508@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B5F07D2.9070508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A3C19DCC-47C6-40AD-889E-FD5531033D72@yahoo.com>

On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> There is an unfortunate implication with this:  because the engine  
> needs to be restarted to update the GMT offset of its internal  
> clock, this means that automatic changes to time zones like moving  
> from PST to PDT will be ignored by the engine.
>
> Anyone know if there's an RQCC request for that?
>

My guess for the better solution is not to rely on a user's computer  
settings
but find the time-server.com ping solution that works best for you and  
your clients.  This would capture the daylight savings change  
regardless of the user's computer setting.

The usual cautions with this are
-1- Europe does not alway change the same week as the US
-2- Each county in the US gets to decide whether to change time, and  
in which direction.

eg.  Indiana in the USA, some counties match Chicago, others  
Cincinnati, OH  and others choose not to change at all.  I used to  
live in a county that never changed its clock.
It was a farming community that did not care to change.

I haven't done the digging, but I did use the atomic clock server in a  
project about 4 years ago.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 11:28:03 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:28:03 -0600
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <A3588EF1-05B9-4120-A078-36850F202E4F@unil.ch>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>	<CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>	<edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3588EF1-05B9-4120-A078-36850F202E4F@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <4B5F1813.8010209@hyperactivesw.com>

Jacques Hausser wrote:
> Be careful with the spelling ! Jacques has a beard, smokes pipe,
> likes brussel sprouts (oups, sorry) and is definitively different
> from Jacque...
> 

I'm getting a beard too, but I pluck it out. No pipe though.

It wasn't me that mentioned the internet time, I think it was Richard. 
But if it works, then of course I'll be happy to take credit. If it 
doesn't, it's Richard's fault. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kee at kagi.com  Tue Jan 26 11:41:43 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:41:43 -0800
Subject: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001260806s41b99df3w8986ed6890b0ab7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001260806s41b99df3w8986ed6890b0ab7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2FCA919-712C-455A-A391-DFFC61B9E7B1@kagi.com>

Long ago in Hypercard I built a stack that opens a damaged stack and pulls as much as possible out of it and into a second stack. I'd create each card, and then create each button and field, and grab each attribute and script. Very tedious but it created a brand new exact duplicate. Whatever was bad in the original stack would go away in the new stack and for all practical purposes it was now a copy, only it worked.

Just a thought.
Kee


 
On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Hello Folks,
> 
> anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
> 4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.
> 
> don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
> possible, anyone knows how to solve this?



From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 11:55:16 2010
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:55:16 -0500
Subject: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
In-Reply-To: <A2FCA919-712C-455A-A391-DFFC61B9E7B1@kagi.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001260806s41b99df3w8986ed6890b0ab7e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<A2FCA919-712C-455A-A391-DFFC61B9E7B1@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e1001260855w6beb428clcff2c0e34c8e81ab@mail.gmail.com>

OMG, how funny it is that everybody has had the same issues at one point or
another.  I did the same thing...except I'm still using HC here for one
application...

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:41, Kee Nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:

> Long ago in Hypercard I built a stack that opens a damaged stack and pulls
> as much as possible out of it and into a second stack. I'd create each card,
> and then create each button and field, and grab each attribute and script.
> Very tedious but it created a brand new exact duplicate. Whatever was bad in
> the original stack would go away in the new stack and for all practical
> purposes it was now a copy, only it worked.
>
> Just a thought.
> Kee
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Hello Folks,
> >
> > anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
> > 4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.
> >
> > don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
> > possible, anyone knows how to solve this?
>
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Jan 26 11:59:13 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:59:13 +0100
Subject: Spinning whell
Message-ID: <30BA16E7-51AE-4266-81F6-0881969CA594@numericable.com>

Hello,
I have uploaded my first contribution for the community on RevOnline :
Spinning wheel : a [white] Asynchronous Progress Indicator > Macintosh X interface...
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 26 12:04:51 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:04:51 -0800
Subject: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
Message-ID: <4B5F20B3.6050906@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
> 4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.
>
> don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
> possible, anyone knows how to solve this?

I would email it to support.  If it's opening in the shipping version of 
Rev but not in the DP it sounds like a bug, and corruption is rare 
enough with Rev that I would imagine it would get priority.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jan 26 12:15:28 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:15:28 +0100
Subject: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
Message-ID: <AD4600958DF740F28A4480DEF5F9C394@Kestner.local>

Hi,

 

I just wonder if this is actually so, as stated above? Actually I havn't
thought about this up to now and just got a bit unsure, because I also
haven't found an answer in the archives.

 

Can anybody confirm my presumption because I don't have a 64Bit system on
hand.

 

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 26 12:22:14 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:22:14 -0200
Subject: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
In-Reply-To: <4B5F20B3.6050906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B5F20B3.6050906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001260922u59b8a3e0h4d66a0c1a592e06c@mail.gmail.com>

It is not regression, it was working fine on 4.5 then, after a save, close
and reopen, it stopped working saying it was corrupted. I tried loading on
4.0 to see if it was indeed corrupted, it worked fine but it stopped loading
on 4.5.

I use mercurial to manage my source code, so I reverted back to some
revisions ago and it loaded, now I am recoding my morning work...

sometimes rev is elusive.

cheers for version control software.
(with remote backups)


On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
>> 4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.
>>
>> don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
>> possible, anyone knows how to solve this?
>>
>
> I would email it to support.  If it's opening in the shipping version of
> Rev but not in the DP it sounds like a bug, and corruption is rare enough
> with Rev that I would imagine it would get priority.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jan 26 12:30:44 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:30:44 +0100
Subject: AW: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001260922u59b8a3e0h4d66a0c1a592e06c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3319EFE1CCDA4DA992F9FA2F0BD2657E@Kestner.local>

Hi Andre,
good to hear you have a not too old backup
As having worked for years with Toolbook I can say that we are really lucky
with RunRev where stack corruption almost is an exotic phenomenon - I havn't
had any yet. But with the older (up to two years ago) versions of Toolbook
file corruption almost was an daily experience with repair trials by good
luck...
Cheers 
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010 18:22
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
> 
> It is not regression, it was working fine on 4.5 then, after a save, close
> and reopen, it stopped working saying it was corrupted. I tried loading on
> 4.0 to see if it was indeed corrupted, it worked fine but it stopped
> loading
> on 4.5.
> 
> I use mercurial to manage my source code, so I reverted back to some
> revisions ago and it loaded, now I am recoding my morning work...
> 
> sometimes rev is elusive.
> 
> cheers for version control software.
> (with remote backups)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:
> 
> > Andre Garzia wrote:
> >
> >> anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
> >> 4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.
> >>
> >> don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
> >> possible, anyone knows how to solve this?
> >>
> >
> > I would email it to support.  If it's opening in the shipping version of
> > Rev but not in the DP it sounds like a bug, and corruption is rare
> enough
> > with Rev that I would imagine it would get priority.
> >
> > --
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Fourth World
> >  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> >  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> >  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 13:01:54 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:54 -0600
Subject: stack corrupted, loads on 4.0 but not on 4.5
In-Reply-To: <4B5F20B3.6050906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B5F20B3.6050906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F2E12.9020504@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> anyone here has a clue on how to recover from a corrupted stack. Rev
>> 4.5.0-dp-1 refuses to open it but Rev 4.0 loves it just like I do.
>>
>> don't want to revert to a previous version of the stack or of rev if
>> possible, anyone knows how to solve this?
> 
> I would email it to support.  If it's opening in the shipping version of 
> Rev but not in the DP it sounds like a bug, and corruption is rare 
> enough with Rev that I would imagine it would get priority.

Actually, for something like this, don't email to support -- just put in 
a bug ticket. That's all the support queue could tell you to do. There 
aren't any engineers in the support queue, just us chickens.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 13:12:42 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:12:42 -0600
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F309A.9000707@hyperactivesw.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> I'll be glad if Jacque (no s) confirms this. It will make my life easier.
> 
> I was sure she had recommended internet date.

Nope, it was Richard. But I guarantee that anything Sarah or Richard 
says about time calcs is correct. ;)

Regarding the seconds: when I was hosting the scripting conferences I 
used to announce the time of the next meeting in seconds. I'd post the 
seconds to the list and anyone who wanted to attend would convert it to 
their own time and see just when they needed to be online. That was 
Sarah's idea and it worked just great. There was something satisfying 
also about using Rev to figure out when to meet to use Rev.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 13:16:29 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:16:29 -0800
Subject: Revlet updates don't clear the cache
Message-ID: <45AD8962-1D25-4F2C-A029-C34C9FC5FADC@mac.com>

When I update the Revlet and html files the browser (Safari on the Mac but maybe others too) still runs the old one in its cache even if I reload the page and quit Safari.

The only way I can run the updated Revlet is the reset Safari cache from the Safari menu.

Are there options to make this work better? I can't expect users to do this.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 13:37:24 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:37:24 +0000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <4B5F309A.9000707@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5F309A.9000707@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001261037r767b5416nf88d68bf42f15a6e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>
>> I'll be glad if Jacque (no s) confirms this. It will make my life easier.
>>
>> I was sure she had recommended internet date.
>
> Nope, it was Richard. But I guarantee that anything Sarah or Richard says
> about time calcs is correct. ;)
>
> Regarding the seconds: when I was hosting the scripting conferences I used
> to announce the time of the next meeting in seconds. I'd post the seconds to
> the list and anyone who wanted to attend would convert it to their own time
> and see just when they needed to be online. That was Sarah's idea and it
> worked just great. There was something satisfying also about using Rev to
> figure out when to meet to use Rev.

This is all good to know.  So, generally the seconds can be used, but
there might be the most exceptional circumstances to do with daylight
saving and reboots (and in cases where the international time at which
something happened is so important than maybe one ought to be using an
external source like Jim suggests).

Good to know.

Bernard


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 14:33:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:33:49 -0600
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F439D.1080304@hyperactivesw.com>

RevList wrote:

> What I am saying is that I got the DVDs today and have been watching some
> of the sessions.  Many of them use sample files that are no longer
> available on the web site links that are referenced in the videos.
> I would like to have these so that I can look at the scripts just as they
> did in the session.

Stewart -- I've lost track of what the url should be and which files 
were on the server. I don't have a copy of the DVD to check, so could 
you contact me off list and we can figure it out? I know...I was an 
idiot. Go ahead and say it. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 14:47:29 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0600
Subject: Windows menu bars
Message-ID: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>

I need to open multiple documents that share the same menu bar. On Mac I 
can just set the default menubar. What do most of you do for Windows?

I'm not too keen on putting up a toolbar like Rev does. Is there any 
other way? I think the answer is "no" but maybe some of you have an 
ingenius solution.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 15:01:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:01:34 +0200
Subject: Presumably . . . 4.5 dp-1 ???
Message-ID: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>

Presumably while those who attended the Edinburgh developers' conference 
recieved
Studio 4.0 as part of the package that did not include further updates 
and developer
previews?


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 15:14:31 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:14:31 +0000
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001261214j423645d8qa5c575c29a64e619@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/25 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>

> David Bovill wrote:
>
> > Not sure if it is any use - but I can offer code for reading and writing
> to
> > WikiPedia from Rev - it is not a complete library - but a good start.
>
>  Your code reads and write to Wikipedia.
> Did you use this code as an automatic bot
> for reverse vandalism in selected pages?
>

I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and provide additional
tools that MediaWiki does not have.


From david at architex.tv  Tue Jan 26 15:19:00 2010
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:19:00 +0000
Subject: Is a file an image?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001261219j2bde444cwff24eee135d3d36d@mail.gmail.com>

I've just dug out this very old and pretty untested script for detecting
whether a file is an image. Seems to sort of work on OSX - included here for
insiration :) Does anyone know a better way to do this?

function file_GetType filePath
>    switch the platform
>       case "MacOS"
>          put spotlight_Kind (filePath) into fType
>          return word -1 of fType
>       case "Win32"
>          put offset(".",filePath) into tChar
>          if tChar <> 0 then
>             put char tChar to length(filePath) of filePath into text
>             put
> queryregistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&(queryregistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&tExt&
> "\")) & "\") into tType
>          else
>             put "" into tType
>             put "" into text
>          end if
>          if tType = "" then
>             if text <> "" then
>                delete char 1 of text  -- remove "."
>                put toupper(tExt) && "File" into tType
>             else
>                put "File" into tType
>             end if
>          end if
>          return filePath & numtochar(9) & tType
>       default
>          return empty
>    end switch
> end file_GetType
>

function spotlight_Kind someFile
>    put spotlight_GetAttribute(someFile, "kMDItemKind") into someKind
>    put word 1 to - 1 of someKind into someKind
>    delete char 1 of someKind
>    delete char -1 of someKind
>    return someKind
> end spotlight_Kind
>
> function spotlight_GetAttribute someFile, attributeName
>     put spotlight_FileInfo(someFile) into spotlightFileInfo
>     return spotlight_ExtractAttribute(spotlightFileInfo, attributeName)
> end spotlight_GetAttribute
>
> function spotlight_FileInfo someFile
>     put "mdls" into someShell
>     if someFile is not empty then
>         -- shell_BashParamEscape someFile
>         put space & someFile after someShell
>     end if
>     get shell(someShell)
>     return line 2 to -1 of it
> end spotlight_FileInfo
>
> function spotlight_ExtractAttribute spotlightFileInfo, attributeName
>     if char 1 to 7 of attributeName is not "kMDItem" then put "kMDItem"
> before attributeName
>     put "(?im)" &  attributeName & " += +(.*)" into someReg
>     if matchtext(spotlightFileInfo, someReg, someValue) is true then
>         return someValue
>     else
>         return empty
>     end if
> end spotlight_ExtractAttribute
>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 26 15:27:34 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:27:34 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001261037r767b5416nf88d68bf42f15a6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5F309A.9000707@hyperactivesw.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001261037r767b5416nf88d68bf42f15a6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001261227k653618bq779f2233846aa22@mail.gmail.com>

Did anyone comment on Mark Waddingham's time solution using iRev?

http://runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue71/newsletter2.php

I thought it was brilliant.

Lots of great example stories in the issues of revUp. Unfortunately, they
are not indexed or searchable, and it's a bear trying to find an old
article. I only found this as it was deep within my own bookmarks.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/26 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> > Bernard Devlin wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll be glad if Jacque (no s) confirms this. It will make my life
> easier.
> >>
> >> I was sure she had recommended internet date.
> >
> > Nope, it was Richard. But I guarantee that anything Sarah or Richard says
> > about time calcs is correct. ;)
> >
> > Regarding the seconds: when I was hosting the scripting conferences I
> used
> > to announce the time of the next meeting in seconds. I'd post the seconds
> to
> > the list and anyone who wanted to attend would convert it to their own
> time
> > and see just when they needed to be online. That was Sarah's idea and it
> > worked just great. There was something satisfying also about using Rev to
> > figure out when to meet to use Rev.
>
> This is all good to know.  So, generally the seconds can be used, but
> there might be the most exceptional circumstances to do with daylight
> saving and reboots (and in cases where the international time at which
> something happened is so important than maybe one ought to be using an
> external source like Jim suggests).
>
> Good to know.
>
> Bernard
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From alex at a2technology.com  Tue Jan 26 15:44:24 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:44:24 -0800
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001261219j2bde444cwff24eee135d3d36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7849428.1095B%alex@a2technology.com>

If you're going to be making the judgment based on the extension, why don't
you just put the possibilities in a switch/case statement and take care of
it locally?
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com


> From: David Bovill <david at architex.tv>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:19:00 +0000
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Is a file an image?
> 
> I've just dug out this very old and pretty untested script for detecting
> whether a file is an image. Seems to sort of work on OSX - included here for
> insiration :) Does anyone know a better way to do this?
> 
> function file_GetType filePath
>>    switch the platform
>>       case "MacOS"
>>          put spotlight_Kind (filePath) into fType
>>          return word -1 of fType
>>       case "Win32"
>>          put offset(".",filePath) into tChar
>>          if tChar <> 0 then
>>             put char tChar to length(filePath) of filePath into text
>>             put
>> queryregistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&(queryregistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&tExt&
>> "\")) & "\") into tType
>>          else
>>             put "" into tType
>>             put "" into text
>>          end if
>>          if tType = "" then
>>             if text <> "" then
>>                delete char 1 of text  -- remove "."
>>                put toupper(tExt) && "File" into tType
>>             else
>>                put "File" into tType
>>             end if
>>          end if
>>          return filePath & numtochar(9) & tType
>>       default
>>          return empty
>>    end switch
>> end file_GetType
>> 
> 
> function spotlight_Kind someFile
>>    put spotlight_GetAttribute(someFile, "kMDItemKind") into someKind
>>    put word 1 to - 1 of someKind into someKind
>>    delete char 1 of someKind
>>    delete char -1 of someKind
>>    return someKind
>> end spotlight_Kind
>> 
>> function spotlight_GetAttribute someFile, attributeName
>>     put spotlight_FileInfo(someFile) into spotlightFileInfo
>>     return spotlight_ExtractAttribute(spotlightFileInfo, attributeName)
>> end spotlight_GetAttribute
>> 
>> function spotlight_FileInfo someFile
>>     put "mdls" into someShell
>>     if someFile is not empty then
>>         -- shell_BashParamEscape someFile
>>         put space & someFile after someShell
>>     end if
>>     get shell(someShell)
>>     return line 2 to -1 of it
>> end spotlight_FileInfo
>> 
>> function spotlight_ExtractAttribute spotlightFileInfo, attributeName
>>     if char 1 to 7 of attributeName is not "kMDItem" then put "kMDItem"
>> before attributeName
>>     put "(?im)" &  attributeName & " += +(.*)" into someReg
>>     if matchtext(spotlightFileInfo, someReg, someValue) is true then
>>         return someValue
>>     else
>>         return empty
>>     end if
>> end spotlight_ExtractAttribute
>> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jan 26 15:52:00 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:52:00 +0100
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E8E35DA-DFC3-4041-B624-457E79AE6513@derbrill.de>

I think you could write a XPlat solution by analyzing the first few bytes of the file. 
Those should contain some header information. Though I must admit I did not try that yet.

Cheers,

Malte

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 16:01:14 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:01:14 +0100
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/26 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> I need to open multiple documents that share the same menu bar. On Mac I can
> just set the default menubar. What do most of you do for Windows?
>
> I'm not too keen on putting up a toolbar like Rev does. Is there any other
> way? I think the answer is "no" but maybe some of you have an ingenius
> solution.

Hi Jacque,

Maybe I have all wrong. I confess that I just created a menu in
Windows for the first time since your question. ;)

I note that the menu is created in the top left of each stack and is
managed by a menuPick handler.

Here is what I could do to have this menu in each of my documents.
This is purely theoretical.

1) Creating of a substack in my project (as a kind of library) where I
could create the main menu
2) Creating a button with some script to handle my menu bar.
3) Creating a parentscript / behavior link between menu bar and its
code in the button
4) At every opening of a new document, copy of my group menu in the
new open stack. Provided of course that I have room in the top left

Maybe it can help, perhaps not. I tried ;)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jan 26 16:18:18 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:18:18 +0100
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <16920B52-A3A2-4AA9-A94B-2A61304C4CB6@derbrill.de>

thanks JB! 
Hope you enjoy dissecting the sources. :-)
All the best,
Malte


> Thanks Malte
> 
> Showing every aspect of creating a commercial application in Rev  
> alone is worth the money
> and then to provide the code, artwork & sounds too plus allowing  
> people to use it royalty free
> to make their own version of the game is as good as it gets.
> 
> You got my money!
> 
> -=>JB<=-
> 




From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Tue Jan 26 17:02:06 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:02:06 -0800
Subject: RevLive09 DVD Set & Session resources
In-Reply-To: <4B5F439D.1080304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001251856t772e164du44c218cf0f5a10b6@mail.gmail.com> <,	>
	<fc.009867af001cd4b2009867af001cd41f.1cd4b4@CreaTECHSol.com> <,>
	<4B5F439D.1080304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001cd730009867af001cd41f.1cd73f@CreaTECHSol.com>

jacque at hyperactivesw.com on January 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM -0800 wrote:
>Stewart -- I've lost track of what the url should be and which files 
>were on the server. I don't have a copy of the DVD to check, so could 
>you contact me off list and we can figure it out? I know...I was an 
>idiot. Go ahead and say it. :)
No you aren't :)

It seems that every presentation I have watched (and I have just started),
the links either do not work or are not the what you would expect.
I think someone at RunRev should go through all of the presentations and
get the resources and put them all in one location and have them linked by
presentation.  Either that or bundle them all together and put them in a
zip file for all of use who have purchased the DVD to get access to these
very important resources.

Here are just some that I have found and find frustrating.  It seems that
every session I watch refers to resources but it is not at all clear where
to get them.  For this DVD set to be useful to all of us, having simple
and direct access to all of the resources is imperative.  Would someone at
RunRev please consolidate and let us know where to get all resources from
a single location?

Opening Session (Devin Assay)  www.runrevlive.com/sessions/day0.zip gives
an error

Introduction to revWeb Plugin & revlets (Ben Beaumont)
www.runrevlive.com/sessions/revweb/runrevlive09-revweb.zip or
www.runrevlive.com/sessions/revweb/step1.html
Both produce errors

Presenting Data with the Data Grid (Trevor DeVore)  http://tr.im/data_grid
 Found the resource (I think) but get an error when loading 
intro_to_data_grid_starter.rev.  It chokes on set the dgData of group
"Songs" to empty



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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 26 17:08:39 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:08:39 -0800
Subject: Rev and SnoLeo
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001252325r6bde1318l1bf22bb53d47bcb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98161001252325r6bde1318l1bf22bb53d47bcb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <142EBB11-12B8-4659-90AD-66C8B3E10789@twft.com>

I call bull***t! 

Bob

On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> "to save time, Snow Leopard doesn't quit programs the way it used to - it
> kills them. It checks to see if they have unsaved documents or un-backed-up
> preference setting changes first, of course. But if not, it issues a kill
> command to them, which terminates them instantly"



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jan 26 18:20:53 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:20:53 +0000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001261227k653618bq779f2233846aa22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>	<edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>	<4B5F309A.9000707@hyperactivesw.com>	<edcc7e6b1001261037r767b5416nf88d68bf42f15a6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001261227k653618bq779f2233846aa22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F78D5.4050708@tweedly.net>

stephen barncard wrote:
> Lots of great example stories in the issues of revUp. Unfortunately, they
> are not indexed or searchable, and it's a bear trying to find an old
> article. I only found this as it was deep within my own bookmarks.
>   
You can get some hints at 
http://www.runrev.com/developers/resources/newsletters/ and it would 
surely form the kernel of a web-scraping project to index the older 
newsletters .....

(Hmmmm - another interesting project to do when I "have some spare time" 
- just what I needed :-)

-- Alex.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 19:16:54 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:16:54 +1000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001261616j637bc01bw8b55b2ab9d4b0341@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hang on :-) ?I seem to remember Jacques saying recently that she'd
> found that the internet date was more reliable across time zones than
> storing seconds.


It all depends what you want :-)

The seconds translates to a date & time that depends on the time zone
settings of the computer doing the conversion, so the same number will
translate differently around the world. This may be what you need, but
it is not always useful.

I used to operate a series of kiosks in multiple time zones across
Australia. They would send their reports back with time stamps. If I
had used seconds, then the times would have been altered by the time
they got to me, but I needed to know the times as they were at the
kiosk.

e.g. if a kiosk in Western Australia has a problem at 4 pm, when this
gets to me, it gets translated to 6 pm. It was at 6 pm my time, but if
I have to ring up someone on site, I need to tell them that the
problem was at 4, not 6. So for me, using the seconds was not useful.

The internet date is one alternative, but it doesn't account for
daylight savings.

I ended up using my own time stamp routines, with an AppleScript
routine for working out daylight savings.

To avoid all these issues, there is an enhancement request in the Rev
QA <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4949> asking
for "the universal seconds" which would be a number of seconds that
was not affected in any way by the time zone of the converting
computer.

Cheers,
Sarah


From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jan 26 19:17:26 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:17:26 +0100
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <20100125180005.84DE5288178@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100125180005.84DE5288178@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E98145DF-E3B6-4572-894C-274500107BCC@derbrill.de>

Taking a quick glimpse at Wikipedia suggests this should be pretty straightforward:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29#Magic_numbers_in_files

Cheers,

Malte

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Jan 26 20:32:12 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:32:12 -0500
Subject: Open Database On-Rev Examples?
In-Reply-To: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
References: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

Does anyone have a good example of opening a MySQL database on On-Rev
using a Rev stack on a local machine?

I've looked at the documentation thus far, and found it to not be adequate.

I just keep getting the following message, which I believe is telling me
that it just didn't connect at all in the first place.

"Lost connection MySQL server during query"

I don't know if this a password permissions problem or path problem or what.

Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Rick





From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 21:01:16 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:01:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <1727358203.20100124170305@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
	<1727358203.20100124170305@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1264557676411-1311164.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Mark,


Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that was the one case I thought of where it might be useful to
> have a static, albeit somewhat outdated, snapshot of the data. Of
> course, considering that Wikipedia doesn't for the most part require
> broadband access where dialup would do, the following chart is
> probably more to the point:
> http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
> 

The key word is cost, not velocity.

Talking with teachers from public schools, i have learned
that many of their student's families could afford one computer
for the whole family, (here exist an enormous market for
second-hand computers) but these families could not pay the
monthly cost of Internet service that starts at US$60 dollars
for 256KB... Costly, as you noticed.

Their economy allows these students to pay for an hour of
internet access in an internet center for US$1 (one dolar)
or more.

In theory, every public school should have free internet access.
In practice, the number of public schools with internet access is
disminishing not increasing, although newspapers constantly
publish news that said otherwise. (Just talk with the teachers
and students)

Two CD (for texts and images) will cost US$0.66 cents or less
and could hold a whole encyclopedia. This is less than a single
hour of internet access. (A single 4.5 Gb DVD could be still cheaper,
but not everyone have a DVD reader in their computer)

No matter how you calculate this. It's an economically sound
decision to distribute the Wikipedia for offline use among public
school students.

Members of this community have the skills to build this project.

The only remaining question is: 
Could we lend a hand to collectively create this project,
as a gift from this community to students everywhere?

Goals and direction should appear from consensus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus

:-D

For this project, I believe that we should be able to contribute
with Password protected libraries, for specific functions or
features. In this way, your code is protected but still available
for use in this project.

I could write some code and test the application
in Windows XP and Vista.

Alejandro
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1311164.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Jan 26 21:01:44 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:01:44 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.6.1
Message-ID: <9CB10BBC-3176-483D-9306-7DAF8E0CBA39@wehostmacs.com>

What is new
-----------

- removed the automatic proxy menu support and added in custom handling
   this allows the proxy menu to be used in Rev 2.8 or greater  
(including 4.5.0-dp-1)
   allows for proxy icon drag and drop to be in Rev 2.8 or greater  
(including 4.5.0-dp-1)

- added new callback message for the proxy menu
   ssProxyMenuOpened

- added new callback messages for the title bar (after the proxy icon  
has been set)
   ssMouseDownInTitleBar, ssMouseUpInTitleBar

- added new callback messages for existing commands in the external
   command -> message
   ssHideFloatingWindows -> ssFloatingWindowsHidden
   ssShowFloatingWindows -> ssFloatingWindowsShown
   ssDisplaySwitchMode   -> ssDisplayModeSwitched
   ssDisplayRestoreMode  -> ssDisplayModeRestored



What is coming
--------------

- Trevor DeVore graciously donated replacement code for the Hot Key  
feature and it will be made free to use even in compiled applications

- If I am able to get it working, I will offer custom drag data for  
the proxy icon drag/drop feature (right now it just drops the file path)

- More externals thanks to:
   Malte Pfaff-Brill  (of course I will now be busy making my own  
drops! clone ;-)
   Trevor DeVore  (the source code and screen captures have helped  
_so_ much)
   Tereza Snyder  (screen captures, links and fixes for the externals.h)
   Jeff McWard  (my web host and bandwidth provider < http://www.wehostmacs.com/ 
  >


As always, get the newest version from my site < http://shaosean.tk/ >

-Sean


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Jan 26 21:08:38 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:08:38 -0500
Subject: The seconds and time zones
Message-ID: <350FCE16-87CA-441C-9509-FF62CA2F8EDF@wehostmacs.com>

Would an external work to suit these needs? It does not look overly  
complex and I can see about getting access to a Windows box to code  
for that platform.. Anyone willing to give me remote access to a Linux  
box to build an external for there?  [anyone have an old Intel-based  
Mac they would like to donate so I can write externals for all three  
platform? worth a try ;-) ]

-Sean


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 21:24:28 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:24:28 +1000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <350FCE16-87CA-441C-9509-FF62CA2F8EDF@wehostmacs.com>
References: <350FCE16-87CA-441C-9509-FF62CA2F8EDF@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001261824s1c78e062y9a5747fe06aae128@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> Would an external work to suit these needs? It does not look overly complex
> and I can see about getting access to a Windows box to code for that
> platform.. Anyone willing to give me remote access to a Linux box to build
> an external for there? ?[anyone have an old Intel-based Mac they would like
> to donate so I can write externals for all three platform? worth a try ;-) ]


I don't know. I guess it would depend on how each system handled their
dates & times internally.

However it's not worth it for me, since I now longer deal with some
issues on a regular basis and I have all my time stamp routines worked
out for if I do.

Regards,
Sarah


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Jan 26 21:29:00 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:29:00 -0500
Subject: The seconds and time zones
Message-ID: <3301D10D-9B12-4AD1-80AE-4690617D2D59@wehostmacs.com>

> it would depend on how each system handled their dates & times  
> internally.

I was looking at the ANSI C time routines and they start from Jan 1,  
1970 GMT and there are functions to convert from localized and non- 
localized times..


From psahores at free.fr  Tue Jan 26 21:38:22 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:38:22 +0100
Subject: Open Database On-Rev Examples?
In-Reply-To: <13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
References: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
	<13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <B635ECD7-FDCB-49BB-AF48-68EA2874503A@free.fr>

Hi Rick,

Should this example help ?

> function MySQL_idesk_lib  
> tparam1 
> ,tparam2,tparam3,tparam4,tparam5,tparam6,tparam7,tparam8,tparam9
> 	put revOpenDatabase  
> ("mysql","localhost","user","db_name","password") into myDatabaseID
> 	if myDatabaseID is not a number
> 	then return "There was an error connecting to the SQL database!"
> 	else
> 	
> 		if tparam1 is "unselect_grid" then
> 		
> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET edit_timeout = '0' WHERE  
> abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "'"  
> into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
> 			else return ""
> 	
> 		else if tparam1 is "update_tarif_webstore" then
> 		
> 			put "UPDATE abonnes SET abo_tarif_webstore = '" & tparam3 & "'  
> WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
> 			else return tparam3
> 		
> 		else if tparam1 is "tarif_webstore" then
> 		
> 			put "SELECT * FROM abonnes WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'"  
> into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "There was en error submitting the SELECT statement!"
> 			else
>
> 				if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is "1"
> 				then return word 1 to -1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"abo_tarif_webstore")
> 				else return ""
>
> 			end if
>
> 		else if tparam1 is "addgridtoedit" then
>
> 			put "INSERT INTO definitions_en_cours SET abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "', editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "', edit_timeout = '" &  
> the seconds & \
> 				"', abo_directory = '" & tparam4 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the INSERT statement ..."
> 			else return ""
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "display_clues" then
> 			
> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
> 			
> 				return revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"h_grid_clues") & "|" &  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"v_grid_clues") & "|" &  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"xml_plot")
> 			
> 			end if
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "accepted_clues" then
>
> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>
> 				return revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"h_grid_clues") & "|" &  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"v_grid_clues") & "|" & \
> 					revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"xml_plot") & "|" &  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"CCL")
>
> 			end if
> 					
> 		else if tparam1 is "publish_target" then
> 		
> 			replace "|" with " " in h_grid_clues
> 			replace "|" with " " in v_grid_clues
> 				
> 			put "INSERT INTO" && tparam2 && "SET abo_email = '" & tparam3 &  
> "', editable_grid = '" & tparam4 & \
> 				"', h_grid_clues = '" & tparam5 & "', v_grid_clues = '" &  
> tparam6 & \
> 				"', xml_plot = '" & tparam7 & "', colab_copy_name = '" & tparam8  
> & "', publish_date = '" & the seconds & "'" into sqlStatement
> 				### ajouter tarif de mise ? prix ###
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the INSERT statement ..."
> 			else
> 				put "DELETE FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam3 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam4 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 				revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 				if the result is not a number
> 				then return "error while submitting the DELETE statement ..."
> 				else return ""
> 			end if
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "save_clues" then
>
> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET h_grid_clues = '" & tparam2  
> & "', v_grid_clues = '" & tparam3 & \
> 				"' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam4 & "' AND editable_grid = '" &  
> tparam5 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
> 			else return "OK"
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "defs_validation_request" then
>
> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET h_grid_clues = '" & tparam2  
> & "', v_grid_clues = '" & tparam3 & "', validation = '" & tparam4 & \
> 				"', CCL = '" & tparam5 & "', xml_plot = '" & tparam8 & "' WHERE  
> abo_email = '" & tparam6 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam7 & "'"  
> into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
> 			else return "OK"
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "listgriddefstovalidate" then
> 		
> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "' AND validation = 'defs_validation_requered'" into  
> sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
> 					if revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"CCL") is "true"
> 					then put "&#160;>> CCL" into cw_status
> 					else put "&#160;>> WebStore" into cw_status
> 					put "<input type=hidden name=" & tparam3 && "value=" & word 1  
> to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") & ">" && \
> 						"grille" && word 1 to -1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
> 						cw_status & ", en attente de relecture" & cr after aaa2
> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
> 				end repeat
> 				return aaa2
> 			else return ""
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "unaccepted_clues" then	
> 			
> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET clues_reject_notes = '" &  
> tparam2 & "', edit_timeout = '" & tparam3 & \
> 				"', validation = '', CCL = '' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam4 &  
> "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam5 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
> 			else return "OK"	
> 					
> 		else if tparam1 is "listgridtoedit" then
> 				
> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "' AND (validation IS NULL OR validation = '')" into  
> sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
> 					if revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"edit_timeout") <  
> -604800+the seconds then
> 						put "DELETE FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE grid_id_num = '" &  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"grid_id_num") & "' LIMIT 1" into  
> sqlStatement
> 						revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 					else put "<input type=radio name=grid_editor value=" & word 1  
> to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") & ">" && \
> 						"&#160;grille" && word 1 to -1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
> 						"&#160;>> r&#233;serv&#233;e jusqu'au :" &&  
> to_timeout_date(word 1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"edit_timeout")) & cr after aaa
> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
> 				end repeat
> 				return aaa
> 			else return ""
> 			
> 		else if tparam1 is "listgridtoccl" then
>
> 			put "SELECT * FROM grilles_pub_en_ccl WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
> 					put "grille" && word 1 to -1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
> 						"&#160;>> Creative Commons le :" && to_time_date(word 1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"publish_date")) & cr after aaa
> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
> 				end repeat
> 				return aaa
> 			else return ""
>
> 		else if tparam1 is "listgridtowebstore" then
>
> 			put "SELECT * FROM grilles_sur_webstore WHERE abo_email = '" &  
> tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
> 					put "grille" && word 1 to -1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
> 						"&#160;>> WebStore le :" && to_time_date(word 1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"publish_date")) & cr after aaa
> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
> 				end repeat
> 				return aaa
> 			else return ""
> 		
> 		else if tparam1 is "abo_notes_read" then
> 		
> 			put "SELECT * FROM abonnes WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'"  
> into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0"
> 			then return word 1 to -1 of  
> revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"abo_notes_perso")
> 			else return ""
>
> 		else if tparam1 is "abo_notes_update" then
> 		
> 			put "UPDATE abonnes SET abo_notes_perso = '" & tparam2 & "' WHERE  
> abo_email = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
> 			if the result is not a number
> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
> 			else return "OK"
>
> 		end if
> 		
> 		revCloseDatabase(myDatabaseID)
> 	end if
> end MySQL_idesk_lib

Best,


Le 27 janv. 10 ? 02:32, Rick Harrison a ?crit :

> Hi there,
>
> Does anyone have a good example of opening a MySQL database on On-Rev
> using a Rev stack on a local machine?

The security model of on-rev allows localhost connections only (and  
it's good !) --> your stack need to speak to an irev script --> this  
irev script is allowed to speak to the on-rev localhost MySQL db. The  
provided working "irev to mySQL" example is just  out of my http://www.woooooooords.com 
  on-rev app.
>
> I've looked at the documentation thus far, and found it to not be  
> adequate.
>
> I just keep getting the following message, which I believe is  
> telling me
> that it just didn't connect at all in the first place.
>
> "Lost connection MySQL server during query"
>
> I don't know if this a password permissions problem or path problem  
> or what.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 21:44:21 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:44:21 +1000
Subject: Open Database On-Rev Examples?
In-Reply-To: <13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
References: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
	<13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001261844v582cd3b9l7a94dcffd0dea45a@mail.gmail.com>

> Does anyone have a good example of opening a MySQL database on On-Rev
> using a Rev stack on a local machine?


I use the scripts from the Splash21 web site <http://splash21.on-rev.com/>.
If you sign up, you can download all the files.

Cheers,
Sarah


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 21:46:55 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:46:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001261214j423645d8qa5c575c29a64e619@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b1001261214j423645d8qa5c575c29a64e619@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1264560415825-1311191.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi David,


David Bovill-3 wrote:
> 
> I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and
> provide additional tools that MediaWiki does not have.
> 

According to your description, this code looks like
the startpoint for a commercial application for
wiki administrators. ;-)

David, Could you create code that:

Verify (for a user selected list of articles) if offline XML Wikitext is
not identical to online XML Wikitext, then download news XMLs,
compress them as gzip and save a file to a folder in writable media?

A more advanced version could just store a diff between these
two XML Wikitext.

Your code could work as a "deliberately slow" mechanism to update
Wikis XML databases.

Notice that Wikipedia have warned against creating applications that
download too many pages in a short time frame.

Many thanks for offering your help for this project!
Have a great good week. 

Alejandro
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 22:04:39 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:04:39 +0800
Subject: [ANN] tRev Gets Better PDF Docs, Enhanced Scratch Pad Editing 
	(video)
In-Reply-To: <3594FCE2-4A0A-4324-A84D-E9ED27E2CB70@me.com>
References: <865862BD-A7C9-42AC-98A6-D443AD44D44A@me.com>
	<f73a98161001252019y3655ee92x15a11fa4427395f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<3594FCE2-4A0A-4324-A84D-E9ED27E2CB70@me.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001261904q3e278900p4301c5a4503dd843@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>wrote:

> Kay,
>
> I don't know what link you are using,...
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  tRev users,
>>>
>>> Here's the link to a page with links to the Quickstart guide
>>> and the Shortcuts.
>>>
>>>  http://reveditor.com/trev-quickstart-shortcuts-now-on-iworkcom
>>>
>>>
Jerry,

In your original post you had a link back to you 12Jan10 Blog. In the body
were 3 links, Quickstart and Keyboard shortcuts (Win and Mac). I didn't try
the other two, but he Quickstart one failed and still fails.

Fortunately your suggested alternative links work fine.

Thanks :-)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 26 22:31:53 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:31:53 -0600
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>

zryip theSlug wrote:

> Here is what I could do to have this menu in each of my documents.
> This is purely theoretical.
> 
> 1) Creating of a substack in my project (as a kind of library) where I
> could create the main menu
> 2) Creating a button with some script to handle my menu bar.
> 3) Creating a parentscript / behavior link between menu bar and its
> code in the button
> 4) At every opening of a new document, copy of my group menu in the
> new open stack. Provided of course that I have room in the top left
> 
> Maybe it can help, perhaps not. I tried ;)
> 

Thanks. It won't work for my stacks, they have too many cards each. When 
you copy a menu to a stack, you also have to place it on each card. 
Right now I have a pre-placed menu on each card, and have duplicated the 
menu for each stack, which I think is how it's often done. But I was 
hoping someone had a better idea. Or I may have to use a floating menu 
stack after all.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 22:33:51 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33:51 +0800
Subject: Question on RevMobile
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001260529q4872735asb199a394df33367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B58B2A5.1030908@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98161001252237m1559faa5oe4d0fdb2f69c79f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260440g58fedfdfg28e9301b90428c69@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a11001260529q4872735asb199a394df33367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001261933o78366e4alb930ec60b17d9109@mail.gmail.com>

You guys are just too kind :-) My wife wont have to worry about my birthday
or next Christmas ;-)

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> wait for my books on BeOS and the NewtonOS... Revolution will be
> ubiquitous...
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is like a "Kay Back Machine", right :-)  I have some OS/2 books I
> > can send you so they can start working on Revolution for OS/2.
> >
> > http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > If anyone wants Rev 4.0 Linux or Classic engines please email me
> off-list
> > to
> > > persuade me spend time and money to go down that path - Rev will then
> > make
> > > an announcement 2 weeks later ;-)
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 22:36:03 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:36:03 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001261824s1c78e062y9a5747fe06aae128@mail.gmail.com>
References: <350FCE16-87CA-441C-9509-FF62CA2F8EDF@wehostmacs.com>
	<f99b52861001261824s1c78e062y9a5747fe06aae128@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <721E8AE2-ABFC-46B3-8C57-E742879BBE90@mac.com>

"The seconds" is exactly what I wanted. I needed a reliable way to tell when the user changed the record so I can sync the most recent changes.

This discussion has been great.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
>> Would an external work to suit these needs? It does not look overly complex
>> and I can see about getting access to a Windows box to code for that
>> platform.. Anyone willing to give me remote access to a Linux box to build
>> an external for there?  [anyone have an old Intel-based Mac they would like
>> to donate so I can write externals for all three platform? worth a try ;-) ]
> 
> 
> I don't know. I guess it would depend on how each system handled their
> dates & times internally.
> 
> However it's not worth it for me, since I now longer deal with some
> issues on a regular basis and I have all my time stamp routines worked
> out for if I do.
> 
> Regards,
> Sarah
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From robert at rman.on-rev.com  Tue Jan 26 22:56:31 2010
From: robert at rman.on-rev.com (Robert Man)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:56:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [datagrid] how to search and show the result?
Message-ID: <1264564591356-1311218.post@n4.nabble.com>


I built a simple list using datagrids, all goes fine. I chose to store data
in the dg cache. Except, that in any text application, you'd expect the find
command to work and display the results.

Currently, the standard IDE search finds a test word in the dg cache of the
datagrid. that's about it.

If any of you has an idea on how to implement searching and showing in a
datagrid.. or maybe this issue will be covered in a later version of
datagrids? thanks, Robert




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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Jan 26 23:07:35 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:07:35 +1100
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001261616j637bc01bw8b55b2ab9d4b0341@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001261616j637bc01bw8b55b2ab9d4b0341@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7F3A11D-837C-4959-8CC9-15F02BF351F4@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Folks

There is another issue when using the seconds for a time stamp. If you  
record the seconds in a month outside summer time and translate the  
seconds to another format in a month in summer time or visa versa your  
result is an hour wrong. So the engine is not working out if the date  
the seconds refers to is in summer time or not before converting it  
using your local time zone. I always use the internet time for time  
stamps.

Cheers

Monte


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Jan 26 23:40:23 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:40:23 -0500
Subject: Open Database On-Rev Examples?
In-Reply-To: <B635ECD7-FDCB-49BB-AF48-68EA2874503A@free.fr>
References: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
	<13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
	<B635ECD7-FDCB-49BB-AF48-68EA2874503A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <97D7EF1C-3C9D-43D7-92A6-8B19EBAC7262@all-auctions.com>

Hi Pierre,

I'll take a look at this!

Thanks,

Rick


On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:38 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

>> 
>> function MySQL_idesk_lib tparam1,tparam2,tparam3,tparam4,tparam5,tparam6,tparam7,tparam8,tparam9
>> 	put revOpenDatabase ("mysql","localhost","user","db_name","password") into myDatabaseID
>> 	if myDatabaseID is not a number
>> 	then return "There was an error connecting to the SQL database!"
>> 	else
>> 	
>> 		if tparam1 is "unselect_grid" then
>> 		
>> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET edit_timeout = '0' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
>> 			else return ""
>> 	
>> 		else if tparam1 is "update_tarif_webstore" then
>> 		
>> 			put "UPDATE abonnes SET abo_tarif_webstore = '" & tparam3 & "' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
>> 			else return tparam3
>> 		
>> 		else if tparam1 is "tarif_webstore" then
>> 		
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM abonnes WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "There was en error submitting the SELECT statement!"
>> 			else
>> 
>> 				if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is "1"
>> 				then return word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"abo_tarif_webstore")
>> 				else return ""
>> 
>> 			end if
>> 
>> 		else if tparam1 is "addgridtoedit" then
>> 
>> 			put "INSERT INTO definitions_en_cours SET abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "', editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "', edit_timeout = '" & the seconds & \
>> 				"', abo_directory = '" & tparam4 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the INSERT statement ..."
>> 			else return ""
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "display_clues" then
>> 			
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>> 			
>> 				return revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"h_grid_clues") & "|" & revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"v_grid_clues") & "|" & revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"xml_plot")
>> 			
>> 			end if
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "accepted_clues" then
>> 
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>> 
>> 				return revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"h_grid_clues") & "|" & revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"v_grid_clues") & "|" & \
>> 					revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"xml_plot") & "|" & revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"CCL")
>> 
>> 			end if
>> 					
>> 		else if tparam1 is "publish_target" then
>> 		
>> 			replace "|" with " " in h_grid_clues
>> 			replace "|" with " " in v_grid_clues
>> 				
>> 			put "INSERT INTO" && tparam2 && "SET abo_email = '" & tparam3 & "', editable_grid = '" & tparam4 & \
>> 				"', h_grid_clues = '" & tparam5 & "', v_grid_clues = '" & tparam6 & \
>> 				"', xml_plot = '" & tparam7 & "', colab_copy_name = '" & tparam8 & "', publish_date = '" & the seconds & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 				### ajouter tarif de mise ? prix ###
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the INSERT statement ..."
>> 			else
>> 				put "DELETE FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam3 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam4 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 				revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 				if the result is not a number
>> 				then return "error while submitting the DELETE statement ..."
>> 				else return ""
>> 			end if
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "save_clues" then
>> 
>> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET h_grid_clues = '" & tparam2 & "', v_grid_clues = '" & tparam3 & \
>> 				"' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam4 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam5 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
>> 			else return "OK"
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "defs_validation_request" then
>> 
>> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET h_grid_clues = '" & tparam2 & "', v_grid_clues = '" & tparam3 & "', validation = '" & tparam4 & \
>> 				"', CCL = '" & tparam5 & "', xml_plot = '" & tparam8 & "' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam6 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam7 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
>> 			else return "OK"
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "listgriddefstovalidate" then
>> 		
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "' AND validation = 'defs_validation_requered'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
>> 					if revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"CCL") is "true"
>> 					then put "&#160;>> CCL" into cw_status
>> 					else put "&#160;>> WebStore" into cw_status
>> 					put "<input type=hidden name=" & tparam3 && "value=" & word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") & ">" && \
>> 						"grille" && word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
>> 						cw_status & ", en attente de relecture" & cr after aaa2
>> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
>> 				end repeat
>> 				return aaa2
>> 			else return ""
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "unaccepted_clues" then	
>> 			
>> 			put "UPDATE definitions_en_cours SET clues_reject_notes = '" & tparam2 & "', edit_timeout = '" & tparam3 & \
>> 				"', validation = '', CCL = '' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam4 & "' AND editable_grid = '" & tparam5 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
>> 			else return "OK"	
>> 					
>> 		else if tparam1 is "listgridtoedit" then
>> 				
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "' AND (validation IS NULL OR validation = '')" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
>> 					if revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"edit_timeout") < -604800+the seconds then
>> 						put "DELETE FROM definitions_en_cours WHERE grid_id_num = '" & revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"grid_id_num") & "' LIMIT 1" into sqlStatement
>> 						revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 					else put "<input type=radio name=grid_editor value=" & word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") & ">" && \
>> 						"&#160;grille" && word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
>> 						"&#160;>> r&#233;serv&#233;e jusqu'au :" && to_timeout_date(word 1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"edit_timeout")) & cr after aaa
>> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
>> 				end repeat
>> 				return aaa
>> 			else return ""
>> 			
>> 		else if tparam1 is "listgridtoccl" then
>> 
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM grilles_pub_en_ccl WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
>> 					put "grille" && word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
>> 						"&#160;>> Creative Commons le :" && to_time_date(word 1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"publish_date")) & cr after aaa
>> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
>> 				end repeat
>> 				return aaa
>> 			else return ""
>> 
>> 		else if tparam1 is "listgridtowebstore" then
>> 
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM grilles_sur_webstore WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0" then
>> 				repeat until revQueryIsAtEnd(dbCursorID)
>> 					put "grille" && word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"editable_grid") && \
>> 						"&#160;>> WebStore le :" && to_time_date(word 1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"publish_date")) & cr after aaa
>> 					revMoveToNextRecord dbCursorID
>> 				end repeat
>> 				return aaa
>> 			else return ""
>> 		
>> 		else if tparam1 is "abo_notes_read" then
>> 		
>> 			put "SELECT * FROM abonnes WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam2 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> 			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the SELECT statement ..."
>> 			else if revNumberOfRecords(dbCursorID) is not "0"
>> 			then return word 1 to -1 of revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"abo_notes_perso")
>> 			else return ""
>> 
>> 		else if tparam1 is "abo_notes_update" then
>> 		
>> 			put "UPDATE abonnes SET abo_notes_perso = '" & tparam2 & "' WHERE abo_email = '" & tparam3 & "'" into sqlStatement
>> 			revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement
>> 			if the result is not a number
>> 			then return "error while submitting the UPDATE statement ..."
>> 			else return "OK"
>> 
>> 		end if
>> 		
>> 		revCloseDatabase(myDatabaseID)
>> 	end if
>> end MySQL_idesk_lib
> 

__________________________________
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Jan 26 23:42:30 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:42:30 -0500
Subject: Open Database On-Rev Examples?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001261844v582cd3b9l7a94dcffd0dea45a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
	<13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
	<f99b52861001261844v582cd3b9l7a94dcffd0dea45a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E37CF30C-7C4F-41A6-A9DC-07EB78CBA6D2@all-auctions.com>

Hi Sarah,

I signed up for Splash21.  When I tried to login,
it keeps giving me a login error.  I've tried it
at least 12 times or more.  The site isn't working
correctly for some weird reason.

Thanks,

Rick


On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Does anyone have a good example of opening a MySQL database on On-Rev
>> using a Rev stack on a local machine?
> 
> 
> I use the scripts from the Splash21 web site <http://splash21.on-rev.com/>.
> If you sign up, you can download all the files.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the
following link.  (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.)  

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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Jan 27 00:00:02 2010
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:00:02 -0500
Subject: Open Database On-Rev Examples?
In-Reply-To: <E37CF30C-7C4F-41A6-A9DC-07EB78CBA6D2@all-auctions.com>
References: <4B5F4A1E.6090907@gmail.com>
	<13756B15-58D9-4694-9200-48527CC9FD65@all-auctions.com>
	<f99b52861001261844v582cd3b9l7a94dcffd0dea45a@mail.gmail.com>
	<E37CF30C-7C4F-41A6-A9DC-07EB78CBA6D2@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <E6721BE0-4786-41CC-B9E5-9FB0F785494D@all-auctions.com>

Hi Sarah,

Nevermind.  Once I checked my email, I found
the confirmation link required to validate the account.
You would think they would have said a little something
about that when one signs up.

Thanks for the recommendation.  I'm looking at the
database script examples now.

Rick


On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> I signed up for Splash21.  When I tried to login,
> it keeps giving me a login error.  I've tried it
> at least 12 times or more.  The site isn't working
> correctly for some weird reason.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
>>> Does anyone have a good example of opening a MySQL database on On-Rev
>>> using a Rev stack on a local machine?
>> 
>> 
>> I use the scripts from the Splash21 web site <http://splash21.on-rev.com/>.
>> If you sign up, you can download all the files.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> __________________________________
> Rick Harrison
> 
> You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the iTunes Store Now!
> 
> To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the
> following link.  (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.)  
> 
> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290
> 
> 
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To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the
following link.  (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.)  

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290




From runrevron at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 00:26:15 2010
From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:26:15 +0900
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A21115C4-80E0-45DA-91CB-A8408E0AB73F@gmail.com>

Jacque
I was hoping for a better answer from someone as well. I ended up  
doing what you did in a similar situation.

If its not too late, don't forget about the advantage of behaviors  
when adding all those menus. Maintaining one menuset and then  
parentscripting all the others has saved me lots of time when I need  
to change something in one of the menus.

Ron

On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> Here is what I could do to have this menu in each of my documents.
>> This is purely theoretical.
>> 1) Creating of a substack in my project (as a kind of library)  
>> where I
>> could create the main menu
>> 2) Creating a button with some script to handle my menu bar.
>> 3) Creating a parentscript / behavior link between menu bar and its
>> code in the button
>> 4) At every opening of a new document, copy of my group menu in the
>> new open stack. Provided of course that I have room in the top left
>> Maybe it can help, perhaps not. I tried ;)
>
> Thanks. It won't work for my stacks, they have too many cards each.  
> When you copy a menu to a stack, you also have to place it on each  
> card. Right now I have a pre-placed menu on each card, and have  
> duplicated the menu for each stack, which I think is how it's often  
> done. But I was hoping someone had a better idea. Or I may have to  
> use a floating menu stack after all.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 27 00:28:11 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:28:11 -0800
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <F7F3A11D-837C-4959-8CC9-15F02BF351F4@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001252136r5c54c439t39640f2d2f2082e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDB8CAFB-0DDF-44AA-81F1-9FC84887BF11@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260436r5cfbfcdft9c909af8acf97c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001261616j637bc01bw8b55b2ab9d4b0341@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7F3A11D-837C-4959-8CC9-15F02BF351F4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <38C7AF40-F010-4378-ADB1-0983F025B65C@yahoo.com>




On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> There is another issue when using the seconds for a time stamp. If  
> you record the seconds in a month outside summer time and translate  
> the seconds to another format in a month in summer time or visa  
> versa your result is an hour wrong. So the engine is not working out  
> if the date the seconds refers to is in summer time or not before  
> converting it using your local time zone. I always use the internet  
> time for time stamps.
>

Agreed, especially if you are populating a database that would depend  
on accurate time stamps such as system log files for data processing  
and work flows.  Reports and comparisons can span months.

Most comparisons are not that stringent, so the seconds will work fine.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 27 01:06:05 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:06:05 -0600
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <A21115C4-80E0-45DA-91CB-A8408E0AB73F@gmail.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>	<64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>	<4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A21115C4-80E0-45DA-91CB-A8408E0AB73F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5FD7CD.8090703@hyperactivesw.com>

Ron wrote:

> If its not too late, don't forget about the advantage of behaviors when 
> adding all those menus. Maintaining one menuset and then parentscripting 
> all the others has saved me lots of time when I need to change something 
> in one of the menus.

What I've done is to have zero scripts in the menubar at all. It's just 
a bunch of empty buttons. All the stacks are run by a single backscript, 
and there is one menupick handler in there with all the menu items in it 
(it's a pretty short menu.) That means there is only one handler to manage.

I thought about using behaviors, but I didn't see an advantage to it in 
this situation. Would there be one?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 05:49:54 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:49:54 +0000
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <E98145DF-E3B6-4572-894C-274500107BCC@derbrill.de>
References: <20100125180005.84DE5288178@mail.runrev.com>
	<E98145DF-E3B6-4572-894C-274500107BCC@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001270249l7207df66l1ba698c092262ba4@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the link Malte - seems possible but quite a bit of work. Works
now on OSX, so I'll come back to it later for the cross platform stuff,.

2010/1/27 Malte Pfaff-Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>

> Taking a quick glimpse at Wikipedia suggests this should be pretty
> straightforward:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29#Magic_numbers_in_files
>
> Cheers,
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 27 05:58:20 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:58:20 +0000
Subject: PNG's, alphadata and maskdata
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001270258p11153604veb9375e364f6a21c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm chopping up a some png's that have transparent backgrounds using Rev, by
getting areas of the image using the imagedata, creating new images and then
exporting these cut-outs. I've got a few questions about images, masks and
alpha channels:

   - To re-create a PNG - do I ned to worry about maskdata - or just copy
   over the imagedata and the alphadata then export?
   - Which of the image file formats supported by Rev support alphadata?
   - Is maskdata used as a part of any image format?
   - What happens when I apply maskdata or alphadata to images displayed in
   Rev that do not support these features?

I'm working on these questions now - so I'll try to answer some of them as I
go along :)


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Jan 27 05:59:50 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:59:50 +0000
Subject: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
In-Reply-To: <AD4600958DF740F28A4480DEF5F9C394@Kestner.local>
References: <AD4600958DF740F28A4480DEF5F9C394@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <17248FF6-988C-462B-BD62-43F887992D51@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Windows on both. The main difference with the 64 bit version is that  
it can address more than 3.5GB of RAM (the ceiling on the 32 bit  
version).
Other than that there are issues with device drivers, but most now  
offer 64 bit versions.

Unless your question relates to something else...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 26 Jan 2010, at 17:15, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I just wonder if this is actually so, as stated above? Actually I  
> havn't
> thought about this up to now and just got a bit unsure, because I also
> haven't found an answer in the archives.
>
>
>
> Can anybody confirm my presumption because I don't have a 64Bit  
> system on
> hand.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 06:06:27 2010
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:06:27 +0000
Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
In-Reply-To: <1264560415825-1311191.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3bbe202f1001241640w7900ff19h508f3bef02ca421@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b1001261214j423645d8qa5c575c29a64e619@mail.gmail.com>
	<1264560415825-1311191.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001270306k1583dc20ibe068239899e9b9e@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/27 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>

David Bovill-3 wrote:
> >
> > I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and
> > provide additional tools that MediaWiki does not have.
> >
>
> According to your description, this code looks like
> the startpoint for a commercial application for
> wiki administrators. ;-)
>

Yes - I thought of that though more in the line of a very good way of
getting the revWeb Plugin used by lots of people.


> David, Could you create code that:
>
> Verify (for a user selected list of articles) if offline XML Wikitext is
> not identical to online XML Wikitext, then download news XMLs,
> compress them as gzip and save a file to a folder in writable media?
>

Yes - I think all of that is pretty much there. The only question would be
 the format of the XML. I mainly use the wikitext format, so I'd have to get
my head around how you / the project want it packaged.

A more advanced version could just store a diff between these
> two XML Wikitext.
>

Yes - I use git for that to store a versioned file system locally, and allow
sharing between users horizontally.


> Your code could work as a "deliberately slow" mechanism to update
> Wikis XML databases.
>

 Yes - though I see a greater use in creating forks of WikiPedia for
specific uses (teaching for instance).

Notice that Wikipedia have warned against creating applications that
> download too many pages in a short time frame.
>
> Many thanks for offering your help for this project!
>

Happy to work on it / contribute what I can.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 06:09:01 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:09:01 +0000
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001261227k653618bq779f2233846aa22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b9a.65eb89fc.38905253@aol.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001260720p114c4ca4g3a11fbc071f614eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5F309A.9000707@hyperactivesw.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001261037r767b5416nf88d68bf42f15a6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001261227k653618bq779f2233846aa22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001270309h4ed5f64dg3429f4d4324ff42d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:27 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> Did anyone comment on Mark Waddingham's time solution using iRev?
>
> http://runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue71/newsletter2.php
>
> I thought it was brilliant.

I didn't see that.  Unless I'm mistaken, it's restricted to running on
Linux.  It may work on OS X also, but it looks like it wouldn't work
on Windows.

Bernard


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 27 06:18:49 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:18:49 -0800
Subject: PNG's, alphadata and maskdata
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001270258p11153604veb9375e364f6a21c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7856119.47742%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm chopping up a some png's that have transparent backgrounds using Rev, by
> getting areas of the image using the imagedata, creating new images and then
> exporting these cut-outs. I've got a few questions about images, masks and
> alpha channels:
> 
>    - To re-create a PNG - do I ned to worry about maskdata - or just copy
>    over the imagedata and the alphadata then export?

Generally, PNG would use image/alphaData, but also remember that you can
transfer both properties in one pass by using the text property (odd, yes,
but that's what does it):

  set the text of img 1 to the text of img 2


>    - Which of the image file formats supported by Rev support alphadata?

PNG.


>    - Is maskdata used as a part of any image format?

Since maskData is transparency that is only on or off, I believe it's only
suitable for GIF and possibly 8 bit PNG (a PNG that contains no more than
256 colors).


>    - What happens when I apply maskdata or alphadata to images displayed in
>    Rev that do not support these features?

I believe they will be converted to PNG format.  I seem to recall hearing
that any time an image is manipulated within Rev, it gets converted to PNG
format.  Not sure if anything has changed with Rev 4.5

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 06:45:30 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:45:30 +0200
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001270249l7207df66l1ba698c092262ba4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100125180005.84DE5288178@mail.runrev.com>	<E98145DF-E3B6-4572-894C-274500107BCC@derbrill.de>
	<c1c5836b1001270249l7207df66l1ba698c092262ba4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B60275A.30503@gmail.com>

On 27/01/2010 12:49, David Bovill wrote:
> Thanks for the link Malte - seems possible but quite a bit of work. Works
> now on OSX, so I'll come back to it later for the cross platform stuff,.
>
> 2010/1/27 Malte Pfaff-Brill<revolution at derbrill.de>
>
>    
>> Taking a quick glimpse at Wikipedia suggests this should be pretty
>> straightforward:
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29#Magic_numbers_in_files
>>
>>      

Well, not perhaps as straightforward as one might expect as things seem 
to 'screw up' for
JPEGs and one needs a vast list of Magic Numbers for all the myriad 
image formats
around.

Notwithstanding all that here is a fairly silly proof-of-concept stack I 
just popped together:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/FILECHEX.rev.zip

not rocket science, but is does seem to show a way forward.

ALL the code is in the button.

sincerely, Richmond.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 27 06:57:08 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:57:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001261219j2bde444cwff24eee135d3d36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446069.4561.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> I've just dug out this very old and
> pretty untested script for detecting
> whether a file is an image. Seems to sort of work on OSX -
> included here for
> insiration :) Does anyone know a better way to do this?
> 

Why go through the trouble of checking the extension and the content of the file, when you can let Rev decide if it supports that particular file as a valid image? :-)

Make a new stack with a button with the following script:
##
on mouseUp
   answer file "Pick an image file"
   if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
   answer "Is a supported image format:" && IsAnImageFile(it)
end mouseUp

function IsAnImageFile pFilePath
   local tIsAnImageFile
   --
   lock screen
   create image
   set the filename of the last image to pFilePath
   --> if the set fails, the result will tell you
   put (the result is empty) into tIsAnImageFile
   delete the last image
   return tIsAnImageFile
end IsAnImageFile
##

Click the button, select an image file, and it should be 'true' - select a Word document or something else that is definitely not an image, and yous should see 'false'.

Cheers,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Jan 27 07:15:18 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:15:18 -1000
Subject: Is a file an image?
In-Reply-To: <446069.4561.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001261219j2bde444cwff24eee135d3d36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<446069.4561.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201ca9f4a$64289d20$2c79d760$@com>

I just love seeing solutions like this. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini


Jan Schenkel wrote:
> 
> David Bovill wrote:
> > I've just dug out this very old and
> > pretty untested script for detecting
> > whether a file is an image. Seems to sort of work on OSX -
> > included here for
> > insiration :) Does anyone know a better way to do this?
> >
> 
> Why go through the trouble of checking the extension and the content of
> the file, when you can let Rev decide if it supports that particular
> file as a valid image? :-)
> 
> Make a new stack with a button with the following script:
> ##
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "Pick an image file"
>    if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
>    answer "Is a supported image format:" && IsAnImageFile(it)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function IsAnImageFile pFilePath
>    local tIsAnImageFile
>    --
>    lock screen
>    create image
>    set the filename of the last image to pFilePath
>    --> if the set fails, the result will tell you
>    put (the result is empty) into tIsAnImageFile
>    delete the last image
>    return tIsAnImageFile
> end IsAnImageFile
> ##
> 
> Click the button, select an image file, and it should be 'true' -
> select a Word document or something else that is definitely not an
> image, and yous should see 'false'.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jan Schenkel
> =====
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jan 27 08:13:01 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:13:01 +0100
Subject: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
In-Reply-To: <17248FF6-988C-462B-BD62-43F887992D51@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>

Thank you Luis,
I just wanted to get sure not to exclude 64 Bit Users when selecting the
platform with Win32 :)
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 12:00
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> Windows on both. The main difference with the 64 bit version is that
> it can address more than 3.5GB of RAM (the ceiling on the 32 bit
> version).
> Other than that there are issues with device drivers, but most now
> offer 64 bit versions.
> 
> Unless your question relates to something else...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 08:25:22 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:25:22 +0200
Subject: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
In-Reply-To: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>
References: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <4B603EC2.9060506@gmail.com>

On 27/01/2010 15:13, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Thank you Luis,
> I just wanted to get sure not to exclude 64 Bit Users when selecting the
> platform with Win32 :)
> Tiemo
>
>    
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 12:00
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Windows on both. The main difference with the 64 bit version is that
>> it can address more than 3.5GB of RAM (the ceiling on the 32 bit
>> version).
>>      

Do you know how much RAM a Mac OS X program can address?

>> Other than that there are issues with device drivers, but most now
>> offer 64 bit versions.
>>
>> Unless your question relates to something else...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>      
>    



From bvg at mac.com  Wed Jan 27 08:39:49 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:39:49 +0100
Subject: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
In-Reply-To: <4B603EC2.9060506@gmail.com>
References: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>
	<4B603EC2.9060506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4002E24-EB4C-4EBC-A453-B1F26646380C@mac.com>


On 27 Jan 2010, at 14:25, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Do you know how much RAM a Mac OS X program can address?

That depends on several things.

If it's a 64-bit binary (aka. not runrev) then it's quite a lot (more then 99% of the people have installed, including hard disk caching).

If it's a 32 cocoa app, there's a limit of shortly below 4 gb. However, os x 32 bit libraries have tricks to expand that, and if rev uses one of those, then it's more like never ending.

I have yet to encounter any user-run program that _needs_ more then 4 gb of ram. 3D games are famous for using gigantic amounts of ram and hard disk space (mostly for the textures). Many of those need at least 2 gb of ram, but work better with 4 gb (they also need at least 10 gb hd space). Other ram-heavy applications are image-, sound- or video-editing, and special kinds of databases. Some servers also use large amount of ram, most of them real time stuff (ie. milliseconds trading) or web crawlers. 

If you are not developing one of those examples, the general rule for ram demand these days is:

You do not need to care.

-- 

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http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Jan 27 09:27:11 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:27:11 -0500
Subject: [datagrid] how to search and show the result?
In-Reply-To: <1264564591356-1311218.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1264564591356-1311218.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6B58C372-0C8C-44A9-8BBA-3CB42B3C3D2A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 26, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Robert Man wrote:

> I built a simple list using datagrids, all goes fine. I chose to  
> store data
> in the dg cache. Except, that in any text application, you'd expect  
> the find
> command to work and display the results.
>
> Currently, the standard IDE search finds a test word in the dg cache  
> of the
> datagrid. that's about it.
>
> If any of you has an idea on how to implement searching and showing  
> in a
> datagrid.. or maybe this issue will be covered in a later version of
> datagrids? thanks, Robert

Hi  Robert,

You can use FindIndex/FindLine for exact match searching:
<http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7344-Data-Grid-API 
 >

An example:

dispatch "FindLine" to group "DataGrid" with "MyColumn", "String To  
Find"
put the result into theLine

For partial matches you have to write any search routines yourself.

If you are display data from a database then you would perform the  
search using SQL and then update the data in the Data Grid.

To search the Data Grid data you can extract the dgText/dgData,  
perform the find, determine which column and line/index the found  
result is located in  and then select it.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From andre at rombauts.be  Wed Jan 27 10:35:22 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:35:22 +0100
Subject: Enlarging the height of the title bar zone?
Message-ID: <EE5664C4-0C7A-4FC7-98C8-132A54B4A2E0@rombauts.be>

How do I need to proceed if I want to enlarge the title bar zone of a  
window to display icons in it?...

Thanks in advance...

Andr? 

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 27 10:43:45 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:43:45 -0800
Subject: Enlarging the height of the title bar zone?
Message-ID: <4B605F31.5010906@fourthworld.com>

Andre Rombauts wrote:
> How do I need to proceed if I want to enlarge the title bar zone of a
> window to display icons in it?...

The title bar of a window is governed by the OS, and it outside of the 
stack region which begins below it.

If you need a custom title bar you could consider setting the 
decorations of the stack to empty, and making your own controls at the 
top for dragging, closing, minimizing, etc., where you could add 
anything else you want.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From dfepstein at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 11:05:14 2010
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:05:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <835717796.150741264608124079.JavaMail.root@sz0051a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1148532197.152951264608314116.JavaMail.root@sz0051a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



This suggestion is late and perhaps obvious, but FWIW: 



If the task of adding a menubar to a whole bunch of cards is onerous, it may be worth considering?bringing the card contents to the menubar.? That is, create a "viewer" (or even "editer") stack that includes the menubar, and "faux-navigate" among the source cards by successively copying and deleting their content from your viewer/editer stack.? The merits of this depend on the relative complexity of the menu and the card content; it is certainly easiest to implement if each card's content is a single group. 



David Epstein 







I need to open multiple documents that share the same menu bar. On Mac I 
can just set the default menubar. What do most of you do for Windows? 


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 11:05:40 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:05:40 +0200
Subject: Iconify . . .
Message-ID: <4B606454.10608@gmail.com>

Just uploaded an annoying little stack:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/ICONISER.rev.zip

the card of which contains the following:

on mouseUp
    set the iconic of stack "ICONISER" to true
end mouseUp

on unIconifyStack
    set the iconic of stack "ICONISER" to true
end unIconifyStack

the idea WAS to make a stack that would sit in the Mac OS X dock and 
never come out . . .

no joy there,

SO, ended up with a stack that dances back and forth like a RunRev stack 
full to the
gills with some nasty narcotic . . .  :)

Questions for mages:

1. Why does the stack re-emerge from the Dock when its minimised icon is 
clicked? Presumably
      because this is an action handled by the Dock rather than the stack.

[Windows users can also become annoyed with a similar effect in the taskbar]

2. Why does the second script cause the stack to iconofy, uniconify and
     then iconify again when LOGIC (ha, ha, ha) tells me this should 
only happen once?


From robert at rman.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 27 11:25:09 2010
From: robert at rman.on-rev.com (Robert Man)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:25:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [datagrid] how to search and show the result?
In-Reply-To: <6B58C372-0C8C-44A9-8BBA-3CB42B3C3D2A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6B58C372-0C8C-44A9-8BBA-3CB42B3C3D2A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <1264609509476-1311774.post@n4.nabble.com>


Thank you Trevor. I realized just after writing that there was a find
function in your library.. so I deleted my post... but somehow it did not
work ! Thanks again for your detailed answer and hope this can benefit to
others too. Robert
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Re-datagrid-how-to-search-and-show-the-result-tp1311658p1311774.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jan 27 11:34:19 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:34:19 +0100
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
Message-ID: <9C077AAD03214CD092775AA3E3526DEE@Kestner.local>

Hi,

when opening a substack modal in the IDE, how can I close it, if I havn't
yet implemented a close button (there are no controls in the title bar).

Ok on windows I can use Alt + F4, but is this the wanted and only way and
how do I close such a stack on Mac, or is there a rev way to close such a
stack? Just curious, because I have trapped me already some times.

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 



From edljr at mac.com  Wed Jan 27 11:42:36 2010
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:42:36 -0600
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <9C077AAD03214CD092775AA3E3526DEE@Kestner.local>
References: <9C077AAD03214CD092775AA3E3526DEE@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <C0BFD44D-2E68-4361-A016-C298B04F4376@mac.com>

Tiemo,

I had this problem a couple of week's ago and was given this expert  
advice by Mark S.:

On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in  
the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while  
right-clicking with the mouse.

On Windows and Linux, keep control-shift pressed while right-clicking  
in the modal window.

--
HTH,
Ed


On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi,
>
> when opening a substack modal in the IDE, how can I close it, if I  
> havn't
> yet implemented a close button (there are no controls in the title  
> bar).
>
> Ok on windows I can use Alt + F4, but is this the wanted and only  
> way and
> how do I close such a stack on Mac, or is there a rev way to close  
> such a
> stack? Just curious, because I have trapped me already some times.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jan 27 11:46:08 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:46:08 +0100
Subject: AW: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <C0BFD44D-2E68-4361-A016-C298B04F4376@mac.com>
Message-ID: <56E40AE75A1A4117AD8221952C9D4055@Kestner.local>

Thanks Ed, again learned a new shortcut on Mac :)
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Edward D Lavieri Jr
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 17:43
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> I had this problem a couple of week's ago and was given this expert
> advice by Mark S.:
> 
> On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in
> the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while
> right-clicking with the mouse.
> 
> On Windows and Linux, keep control-shift pressed while right-clicking
> in the modal window.
> 
> --
> HTH,
> Ed



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 27 12:03:44 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:03:44 -0800
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
Message-ID: <4B6071F0.1060205@fourthworld.com>

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
> On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in
> the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while
> right-clicking with the mouse.

What is that supposed to do?

I just tried it here, and I get no response clicking in either the 
content region or the drag region.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From edljr at mac.com  Wed Jan 27 12:09:01 2010
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:09:01 -0600
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <4B6071F0.1060205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B6071F0.1060205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3565906A-EC89-4F53-ADF0-E2BE58BF91BF@mac.com>

Hi Richard,

When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift- 
Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the  
option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
- Toplevel
- Modeless
- Palette
- Modal

Ed


On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
>> On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in
>> the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while
>> right-clicking with the mouse.
>
> What is that supposed to do?
>
> I just tried it here, and I get no response clicking in either the  
> content region or the drag region.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Jan 27 12:11:45 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:11:45 -0800
Subject: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
In-Reply-To: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>
References: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <4B6073D1.9030103@pdslabs.net>

Hi Tiemo,

I'm not sure if anyone answered your question directly, so... on my 
64-bit Win 7 machine, "the platform" returns "Win32" in Rev 4.0.

Phil Davis


On 1/27/10 5:13 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Thank you Luis,
> I just wanted to get sure not to exclude 64 Bit Users when selecting the
> platform with Win32 :)
> Tiemo
>    

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 27 12:34:23 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:34:23 -0800
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
Message-ID: <4B60791F.20604@fourthworld.com>

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
> When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-
> Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the
> option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
> - Toplevel
> - Modeless
> - Palette
> - Modal

Ah, it's an IDE thing.  Thanks.  I use my own IDE so that feature's not 
available. :)

I had worried that it was some sort of OS thing to close a dialog, which 
seemed an invitation to buggy app behaviors.  Glad to see it's not.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 27 12:46:04 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:46:04 -0600
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <4B60791F.20604@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B60791F.20604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B607BDC.5040501@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
>> When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-
>> Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the
>> option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
>> - Toplevel
>> - Modeless
>> - Palette
>> - Modal
> 
> Ah, it's an IDE thing.  Thanks.  I use my own IDE so that feature's not 
> available. :)

I can't tell you how many times this little trick has saved me. Without 
it, there is no way to get out of a modal without force-quitting.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 13:01:07 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:01:07 +0200
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <3565906A-EC89-4F53-ADF0-E2BE58BF91BF@mac.com>
References: <4B6071F0.1060205@fourthworld.com>
	<3565906A-EC89-4F53-ADF0-E2BE58BF91BF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B607F63.5040804@gmail.com>

On 27/01/2010 19:09, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press 
> Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that 
> pop-up menu is the option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be 
> changed to:
> - Toplevel
> - Modeless
> - Palette
> - Modal
>
> Ed

Yup, that works, just tried it. HOWEVER pressing 3 keys and a mouse-click
is a mug's game and there has to be something better.


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Wed Jan 27 13:04:55 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:04:55 -0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 76, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BC63E302-526C-4D38-BB2F-821BBCCEB06A@mollysrevenge.com>

I've been caught with this too so thanks for the tip. I decided to  
ALWAYS have a close button on modals.  Is there some reason why that's  
not a good idea?

Pete Haworth








On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:46:04 -0600
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <4B607BDC.5040501 at hyperactivesw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
>>> When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd- 
>>> Shift-
>>> Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the
>>> option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
>>> - Toplevel
>>> - Modeless
>>> - Palette
>>> - Modal
>>
>> Ah, it's an IDE thing.  Thanks.  I use my own IDE so that feature's  
>> not
>> available. :)
>
> I can't tell you how many times this little trick has saved me.  
> Without
> it, there is no way to get out of a modal without force-quitting.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 27 13:10:23 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:10:23 -0600
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 76, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <BC63E302-526C-4D38-BB2F-821BBCCEB06A@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com>
	<BC63E302-526C-4D38-BB2F-821BBCCEB06A@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4B60818F.3090609@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:
> I've been caught with this too so thanks for the tip. I decided to 
> ALWAYS have a close button on modals.  Is there some reason why that's 
> not a good idea?

No, it's a good idea. Or provide some other way to close it. The problem 
usually arises during development when you're testing a modal window but 
you forgot to include any close options yet. Then you're really stuck. 
And if you haven't saved the main stack, you can lose work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 13:39:08 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:39:08 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
Message-ID: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>

So, there's Jobs showing off the new Apple iPad . . .

http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/

[doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]

what interest me far more than the fact that I can write e-mail messages by
typing with my jammy, greasy paws all over the screen (turn-off) is what
sort of peripherals one could attach to the thing; err, keyboard, err, but
wouldn't that just make it another sort of laptop?

a sort of LARGE iPhone . . .

which makes me suspect that current RunRev builds aren't going to deliver
for this platform

presumably . . . ? . . . this will be possible with the new revMobile:

http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/overview/   ????

or, are we going to feel crippled for a bit? while the java folks
belt away ahead of us

[as a pedestrian school teacher I am asking this question under my
second hat of unofficial RunRev gadfly]


From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 14:09:54 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:09:54 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/
> 
> [doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]


You may have written your email too soon. It can run iWork apps, not just Mail and Safari. I'm sure it has enough power for Rev.




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 27 14:17:51 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:17:51 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
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Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/27 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
> >
> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/
> >
> > [doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]
>
>
> You may have written your email too soon. It can run iWork apps, not just
> Mail and Safari. I'm sure it has enough power for Rev.
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 27 14:22:47 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:22:47 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
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Stephen-

Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17:51 AM, you wrote:

> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.

...and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 14:23:42 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:23:42 +0100
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
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2010/1/27 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:

> Thanks. It won't work for my stacks, they have too many cards each. When you
> copy a menu to a stack, you also have to place it on each card. Right now I
> have a pre-placed menu on each card, and have duplicated the menu for each
> stack, which I think is how it's often done. But I was hoping someone had a
> better idea. Or I may have to use a floating menu stack after all.

Ok. What I did not seen was that a background object is only duplicate
at the creation of a new card. Uhm ... I already imagine a client ask
me to add an object into the background of a one hundred cards stack.
Nightware!

What I do not understand now it is you're need to duplicate the menu
on each card. In a stack we can see only one card at the same time.
Why do not just place the menu when you need it on the current card?

I missed something here. I have to do some test to illuminate my mind.

> What I've done is to have zero scripts in the menubar at all. It's just a bunch of empty buttons. All the stacks are run by a
> single backscript, and there is one menupick handler in there with all the menu items in it (it's a pretty short menu.) That means > there is only one handler to manage.

> I thought about using behaviors, but I didn't see an advantage to it in this situation. Would there be one?

Behavior or other way to not have to repeat the same code. No
particular advantage with it here. Just I had it in head when I wrote.
;)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 14:30:45 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:30:45 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> >..and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
> processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.


What is so difficult about Rev in that regard? If GameSalad, Unity, and Flash can all be run on iPhone and iPad, why not Rev apps?




From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 27 14:34:11 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:34:11 -0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <82CA0ED7-63B1-4F4E-91EC-4432239B28CC@verizon.net>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net> 
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
	<82CA0ED7-63B1-4F4E-91EC-4432239B28CC@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001271134h51a38b7frdfef93c88a76ad26@mail.gmail.com>

because all those have little embedable libraries that you just attach to an
XCode project and boom, it builds. Until Rev has one of those things, we
won't be there. Unity will generate an XCode project with your software +
the engine library.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > >..and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
> > processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.
>
>
> What is so difficult about Rev in that regard? If GameSalad, Unity, and
> Flash can all be run on iPhone and iPad, why not Rev apps?
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 14:38:23 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:38:23 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B60962F.3060606@gmail.com>

On 27/01/2010 21:17, stephen barncard wrote:
> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
>    

Gosh, we are 'aristocratic' aren't we!

We peasants, labouring in the basement have to "cope" with 17 inches.

Mind you, its not the size that matters, it's what . . .  :)




From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 14:39:02 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:39:02 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
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	<19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
	<82CA0ED7-63B1-4F4E-91EC-4432239B28CC@verizon.net>
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> because all those have little embedable libraries that you just attach to an
> XCode project and boom, it builds. Until Rev has one of those things, we
> won't be there. Unity will generate an XCode project with your software +
> the engine library.


Flash doesn't work that way, and Rev's team are as smart as Adobe, aren't they?




From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 27 14:40:05 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:40:05 -0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <379FBF51-C344-492C-8A1F-271747B596EC@verizon.net>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net> 
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
	<82CA0ED7-63B1-4F4E-91EC-4432239B28CC@verizon.net> 
	<7c87a2a11001271134h51a38b7frdfef93c88a76ad26@mail.gmail.com> 
	<379FBF51-C344-492C-8A1F-271747B596EC@verizon.net>
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and flash does not work on the iphone...

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > because all those have little embedable libraries that you just attach to
> an
> > XCode project and boom, it builds. Until Rev has one of those things, we
> > won't be there. Unity will generate an XCode project with your software +
> > the engine library.
>
>
> Flash doesn't work that way, and Rev's team are as smart as Adobe, aren't
> they?
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 14:49:44 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:49:44 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B6098D8.80204@gmail.com>

Um . . . now Jobs is pushing the 'Keyboard Dock':

http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/

so we cannot plug-in any-old USB keyboard - crafty buzzard, he's making 
sure that we cannot
just smoke his dope through any old pipe, we have to buy the 
Apple-branded bong!

Lots of mindless non sequiturs and thought-stopping pleasantries flying 
around as well:

I tell you what: the Edinburgh RunRev conference was one heck of a lot 
nicer: and we all
know it was also about product "pushing" [and, unlike the current thing, 
about helping attendees
leverage the new features of the new product ] but the whole thing was 
more level-headed,
more friendly, and generally Kevin and Co. did not look like people 
pushing hi-tech toys
to rich, slow-developing children.

The antidote to all this is here:

http://www.nirmaltv.com/2007/10/12/friday-fun-upcoming-apple-products/


From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 14:56:59 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:56:59 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> and flash does not work on the iphone...

Flash doesn't work in Safari, but there are already a lot of Flash based Apps in the store, which is the same way it would be for Rev.




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 27 14:59:29 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:59:29 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B60962F.3060606@gmail.com>
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It's not a luxury, Richmond, my eyesight sucks. Sorry you have monitor envy,
but my screen space is wasted, I blow it al up big.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/27 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> On 27/01/2010 21:17, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
>> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd
>> want
>> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
>>
>>
>
> Gosh, we are 'aristocratic' aren't we!
>
> We peasants, labouring in the basement have to "cope" with 17 inches.
>
> Mind you, its not the size that matters, it's what . . .  :)
>
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 15:02:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:02:43 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001271159x4370b822s76a5d6ddc833d5a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>	<4B60962F.3060606@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001271159x4370b822s76a5d6ddc833d5a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B609BE3.1090706@gmail.com>

On 27/01/2010 21:59, stephen barncard wrote:
> It's not a luxury, Richmond, my eyesight sucks. Sorry you have monitor envy,
> but my screen space is wasted, I blow it al up big.
>    

I don't have monitor envy; in fact I am an extremely lucky chap insofar 
as at 47 I don't need
glasses. However I probably misread your posting as I thought that you 
meant that you
were only prepared to program stacks for people with whopping great 
monitors!

> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2010/1/27 Richmond Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>
>    
>> On 27/01/2010 21:17, stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
>>> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd
>>> want
>>> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Gosh, we are 'aristocratic' aren't we!
>>
>> We peasants, labouring in the basement have to "cope" with 17 inches.
>>
>> Mind you, its not the size that matters, it's what . . .  :)
>>
>>
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 15:38:05 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:38:05 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B609BE3.1090706@gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>	<4B60962F.3060606@gmail.com>
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	<4B609BE3.1090706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B60A42D.1010001@gmail.com>

The iWork apps for iPad have been remade for the iPad;
while it, presumably, can read iWork documents made with
the Mac version as it has been recompiled that should not
lead us to think we can merrily pop out standalones for
the iPad from our existing versions of Studio and Enterprise.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Jan 27 15:57:30 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:57:30 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com><C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>

> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. 
> And they probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the 
> unit. Not that I'd want to do any programming on the thing. I 
> need two 23" displays these days.

I can't get too excited about it - Id rather have a svelte mac tablet than a
bigger and more powerful iPhone. But this isn't such a surprise though;
Apple has entirely embraced the consumer electronics experience. I haven't
really rushed to the iPhone for my own use because I can't get the
functionality out of it that I used to get out of my long gone Palm V.

And its clear that Amazon likes what it sees with the iPhone too. They've
announced an SDK and also that they will have a dedicated store (with a cut
suspiciously similar to that of the App Store).

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu  Wed Jan 27 16:04:15 2010
From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:04:15 -0600
Subject: RSS in on-rev
In-Reply-To: <3E8E35DA-DFC3-4041-B624-457E79AE6513@derbrill.de>
References: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
	<3E8E35DA-DFC3-4041-B624-457E79AE6513@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <6DA3AEB4-3D95-4C6F-83F6-695A02D90CF7@unlserve.unl.edu>

I'm teaching a course from on-rev. We keep a home-grown message service going. One person has asked for RSS (really simple syndication) for this system. 

Has anyone tried setting up RSS with RunRev?

Has anyone tried setting up RSS on on-rev?

Suggestions and/or appreciated.

Best,

Dave B.

From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 27 16:07:53 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:53 -0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net> 
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>
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Folks,

after the announcement, I had to make this:

http://twitpic.com/101twn  check out the new iPad Mini

:D

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> > Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store.
> > And they probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the
> > unit. Not that I'd want to do any programming on the thing. I
> > need two 23" displays these days.
>
> I can't get too excited about it - Id rather have a svelte mac tablet than
> a
> bigger and more powerful iPhone. But this isn't such a surprise though;
> Apple has entirely embraced the consumer electronics experience. I haven't
> really rushed to the iPhone for my own use because I can't get the
> functionality out of it that I used to get out of my long gone Palm V.
>
> And its clear that Amazon likes what it sees with the iPhone too. They've
> announced an SDK and also that they will have a dedicated store (with a cut
> suspiciously similar to that of the App Store).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 16:22:30 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:22:30 +0100
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001271123y675e4a6dyac65099690697693@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001271123y675e4a6dyac65099690697693@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001271322o7a3fd33al3992f0cbe0155e7f@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/27 zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
> I missed something here. I have to do some test to illuminate my mind.

Okay I'm back. As expected I've illuminate my mind however maybe by shadow...

This would be the solution I would implement to solve the problem. But
it requires that the cards have the room to display the menu. Not
obvious to already existing stacks...

1) Creating of a substack in my project where I could create the main menu
2) Creating a backscript for manage the menu and a preopencard handler.
3) At every opening of a new document, copy of my group menu in the
first card of the open stack.
4) Let the user populate the cards they consults by the following script:
on preOpenCard
   if (there is no group "Main_Menubar") then
      place background "Main_Menubar" onto this card
   end if
   pass preOpenCard
end preOpenCard


No other idea at the moment on my side, sorry.
Finally, a floating window that is not so bad ... huhu 8-)

Be courageous Jacque! ;)


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 16:44:51 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:51 +0100
Subject: The seconds and time zones
In-Reply-To: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
References: <C27757A5-64C7-4912-8654-2B2E71CA7513@mac.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001271344l7c8a705ct6ebfef9e4e323ac1@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/26 Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>:
> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon which time zone the computer was in.
>
> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>
> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into account the time zone offset.


I'm late with that but here is my experience with dates and times.

In a compagny when you have a client/server application, never use the
date and time of a user's computer, in case of you have to store a
date in a bill or a time in a log, for example. The settings of each
computer has always different. Be confident in the server only.

So if it is already difficult to manage time in the same country, in a
same firm, it could be result to a real nightmare to manage time for
differents users all over the world.

I think the best is to trust an outside server which always give you
the same time for everyone. Webservices for example allow you to
retrive back the universal time.


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 27 16:57:14 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:57:14 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com><C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <F1B8D9EA-E4FF-4A8E-AF18-E0FC203CC65E@twft.com>

After seeing this thing I've been mulling around with the idea of a mobile development system, complete with wi-fi access to On-Rev, wherever I go! But bottom line, it's a hybrid OS. It remains to be seen just how much of the OS X is in this thing, and how much of it is the iPhone OS on steroids. 

Bob


On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. 
>> And they probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the 
>> unit. Not that I'd want to do any programming on the thing. I 
>> need two 23" displays these days.
> 
> I can't get too excited about it - Id rather have a svelte mac tablet than a
> bigger and more powerful iPhone. But this isn't such a surprise though;
> Apple has entirely embraced the consumer electronics experience. I haven't
> really rushed to the iPhone for my own use because I can't get the
> functionality out of it that I used to get out of my long gone Palm V.
> 
> And its clear that Amazon likes what it sees with the iPhone too. They've
> announced an SDK and also that they will have a dedicated store (with a cut
> suspiciously similar to that of the App Store).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
> 
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From claus at dreischer.de  Wed Jan 27 17:09:46 2010
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:09:46 +0100
Subject: revBrowser with local file
Message-ID: <4B60B9AA.7010509@dreischer.de>

Hi,

is it possible to display local stuff (no "http://...") with the revBrowser?
I'd like to edit some HTML code in one filed and see the result in another.
Is this possible? I tried, but failed ...

Regards,
	Claus.


From claus at dreischer.de  Wed Jan 27 17:13:19 2010
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:13:19 +0100
Subject: revBrowser with local file
In-Reply-To: <4B60B9AA.7010509@dreischer.de>
References: <4B60B9AA.7010509@dreischer.de>
Message-ID: <4B60BA7F.5000701@dreischer.de>

Am 27.01.10 23:09, schrieb Claus Dreischer:
> Hi,
> 
> is it possible to display local stuff (no "http://...") with the revBrowser?
> I'd like to edit some HTML code in one filed and see the result in another.
> Is this possible? I tried, but failed ...
> 
> Regards,
> 	Claus.

... and to answer myself:

file:///

is what i was looking for.
three slashes ...
time for bed X-)


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:00:03 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:00:03 +1000
Subject: RSS in on-rev
In-Reply-To: <6DA3AEB4-3D95-4C6F-83F6-695A02D90CF7@unlserve.unl.edu>
References: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
	<3E8E35DA-DFC3-4041-B624-457E79AE6513@derbrill.de>
	<6DA3AEB4-3D95-4C6F-83F6-695A02D90CF7@unlserve.unl.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001271500t1254ef20m6dc4b04b2ed5a544@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:04 AM, David Brooks <dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu> wrote:
> I'm teaching a course from on-rev. We keep a home-grown message service going. One person has asked for RSS (really simple syndication) for this system.
>
> Has anyone tried setting up RSS with RunRev?
>
> Has anyone tried setting up RSS on on-rev?


Yes, my On-Rev site has RSS on some pages e.g.
<feed://www.troz.net/rss/tech.xml>

An RSS page is just a text file containing XML in a specific format.
How you construct it depends on your data, but on the page I quote
above, I have a text file for each pot on the page, the rss generator
loops through these files and constructs the rss data from the
relevant bits of each file.

Search for RSS specifications to see which elements you need to
include and which are optional.

If you want to see my scripts, let me know and I can send them to you off-list.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:01:32 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:01:32 +1000
Subject: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <4B607F63.5040804@gmail.com>
References: <4B6071F0.1060205@fourthworld.com>
	<3565906A-EC89-4F53-ADF0-E2BE58BF91BF@mac.com>
	<4B607F63.5040804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001271501l20e50f3fk484b5c08b8d8a770@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27/01/2010 19:09, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-Click
>> to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the option "Stack
>> Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
>> - Toplevel
>> - Modeless
>> - Palette
>> - Modal
>>
>> Ed
>
> Yup, that works, just tried it. HOWEVER pressing 3 keys and a mouse-click
> is a mug's game and there has to be something better.


It's an emergency get-out-of-jail-free card. It is only necessary if
you forget the close button before opening a stack as modal, so it's
no big deal really.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:09:35 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:09:35 +1000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001271509h7b82355fu5ccecd880258aa8a@mail.gmail.com>

>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
>> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
>> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
>
> ...and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
> processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.


The current plan for revMobile requires the iPhone  SDK to be
installed, so I am assuming revMobile provides a bridge to XCode so
that XCode actually builds the app in a way that will be acceptable to
the App store. If this is the case, then the different chip should not
be an issue, since XCode handles it already.

And Stephen, I don't imaging programming ON the iPad, just FOR the
iPad which would be awesome.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:11:29 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:11:29 +1000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <F1B8D9EA-E4FF-4A8E-AF18-E0FC203CC65E@twft.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>
	<F1B8D9EA-E4FF-4A8E-AF18-E0FC203CC65E@twft.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001271511p32189e6sa7fc40f178f838cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> After seeing this thing I've been mulling around with the idea of a mobile development system, complete with wi-fi access to On-Rev, wherever I go! But bottom line, it's a hybrid OS. It remains to be seen just how much of the OS X is in this thing, and how much of it is the iPhone OS on steroids.


There are FTP apps on the App store already, so I am definitely
imagining mobile On-Rev development :-)

But I do think this is the iPhone on steroids, not a stripped down MacBook.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:15:21 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:15:21 +1000
Subject: Enlarging the height of the title bar zone?
In-Reply-To: <EE5664C4-0C7A-4FC7-98C8-132A54B4A2E0@rombauts.be>
References: <EE5664C4-0C7A-4FC7-98C8-132A54B4A2E0@rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001271515g3e9a193csfcec49e938b82c51@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:
> How do I need to proceed if I want to enlarge the title bar zone of a window
> to display icons in it?...


The actual title bar is set by the operating system and cannot be changed.

What you need to do is to create an area at the top of your stack and
display your icons there. They will be a part of your stack rather
than part of the title bar, so you will have to manage showing &
hiding as well as any customisation.

Cheers,
Sarah


From alex at harryscollar.com  Wed Jan 27 18:30:46 2010
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:30:46 +1000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001271509h7b82355fu5ccecd880258aa8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>	<19551512265.20100127112247@ahsoftware.net>
	<f99b52861001271509h7b82355fu5ccecd880258aa8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B60CCA6.2050909@harryscollar.com>

Hi

Yes, true, and I'm excited about eventually creating 
i-apple-product-apps in runrev but one shouldn't assume automatic access 
to worldwide customers because you still have to go through the Apple shop..

http://www.paulgraham.com/apple.html
http://www.fsf.org/news/ibad_launch

regards
alex


On 28/01/10 9:09 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> The current plan for revMobile requires the iPhone  SDK to be
> installed, so I am assuming revMobile provides a bridge to XCode so
> that XCode actually builds the app in a way that will be acceptable to
> the App store. If this is the case, then the different chip should not
> be an issue, since XCode handles it already.
>
> And Stephen, I don't imaging programming ON the iPad, just FOR the
> iPad which would be awesome.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:33:30 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:33:30 +0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001271511p32189e6sa7fc40f178f838cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<C43E1FB8-37D5-4B50-B5BD-90ED1F8B8C4E@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d71001271117i2e9a125dg1f281c7afa5476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C1D12769964E9D95758E48E34BF468@GATEWAY>
	<F1B8D9EA-E4FF-4A8E-AF18-E0FC203CC65E@twft.com>
	<f99b52861001271511p32189e6sa7fc40f178f838cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001271533y23c72944r7406e80596d66855@mail.gmail.com>

I don't understand the fuss, the Apple iPad was released over 3 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI

;-)


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Jan 27 18:35:36 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:35:36 +0000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B60CDC8.40908@anachreon.co.uk>

'Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating' - Whilst jam isn't oily...

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> So, there's Jobs showing off the new Apple iPad . . .
> 
> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/ 
> 
> 
> [doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]
> 
> what interest me far more than the fact that I can write e-mail messages by
> typing with my jammy, greasy paws all over the screen (turn-off) is what
> sort of peripherals one could attach to the thing; err, keyboard, err, but
> wouldn't that just make it another sort of laptop?
> 
> a sort of LARGE iPhone . . .
> 
> which makes me suspect that current RunRev builds aren't going to deliver
> for this platform
> 
> presumably . . . ? . . . this will be possible with the new revMobile:
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/overview/   ????
> 
> or, are we going to feel crippled for a bit? while the java folks
> belt away ahead of us
> 
> [as a pedestrian school teacher I am asking this question under my
> second hat of unofficial RunRev gadfly]
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:43:46 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:43:46 +0800
Subject: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
In-Reply-To: <4B603EC2.9060506@gmail.com>
References: <D5F03A9E068B4302B5CF9E61135A98F2@Kestner.local>
	<4B603EC2.9060506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98161001271543u20667640rc1e1f627ade3330f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Do you know how much RAM a Mac OS X program can address?
>
> Almost as much as the user has installed, which is often less than the
maximum amount that they can install, but in all cases is significantly less
than the completely useless number Apple boasts that OS X can address ;-)


From runrevron at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 19:04:35 2010
From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:04:35 +0900
Subject: Windows menu bars
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001271123y675e4a6dyac65099690697693@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B5F46D1.3020507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001261301n7ccef1a1sc95dfa8509768390@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5FB3A9.70200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<64bda6471001271123y675e4a6dyac65099690697693@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83B4C7C8-E255-4182-AA81-E2796E6CD72C@gmail.com>

Hi Jacque

You are right about your approach because you are using multiple cards  
on one window. In my case I had multiple windows in the same app. So,  
like you, I used empty buttons, a single backscript and one menupick  
handler. But because there are different windows, I switched to  
behaviors once they became available.

Thanks
Ron
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:23 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> 2010/1/27 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
>
>
>> What I've done is to have zero scripts in the menubar at all. It's  
>> just a bunch of empty buttons. All the stacks are run by a
>> single backscript, and there is one menupick handler in there with  
>> all the menu items in it (it's a pretty short menu.) That means >  
>> there is only one handler to manage.
>
>> I thought about using behaviors, but I didn't see an advantage to  
>> it in this situation. Would there be one?
>
> Behavior or other way to not have to repeat the same code. No
> particular advantage with it here. Just I had it in head when I wrote.
> ;)



From psahores at free.fr  Wed Jan 27 19:41:13 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:41:13 +0100
Subject: RSS in on-rev
In-Reply-To: <6DA3AEB4-3D95-4C6F-83F6-695A02D90CF7@unlserve.unl.edu>
References: <20100124180005.A236E288014@mail.runrev.com>
	<3E8E35DA-DFC3-4041-B624-457E79AE6513@derbrill.de>
	<6DA3AEB4-3D95-4C6F-83F6-695A02D90CF7@unlserve.unl.edu>
Message-ID: <9E974CF1-4BC4-4A09-8C1A-001AA636FD65@free.fr>

David,

> function RSSFeedUpdate tcontents,turl,tdir
> 	put url ("file:/" & tdir & "/" & turl) into tvar
> 	if (turl is "Blog/woooooooords_w_rss.xml" and word 1 to 4 of the  
> internet date is not in tvar and item 1 of the internet date is  
> "sun") \
> 		or (turl is "Blog/woooooooords_d_rss.xml" and word 1 to 4 of the  
> internet date is not in tvar) then
> 		put the seconds into tseconds
> 		put "<item>" & cr & \
> 			"<title>" & line 1 of tcontents & word 1 to - 2 of the internet  
> date && "-0500)</title>" & cr & \
> 			"<link>http://www.woooooooords.com/</link>" & cr & \
> 			"<description>"  & line 2 to -1 of tcontents & cr & "</ 
> description>" & cr & \
> 			"<pubDate>" & word 1 to -2 of the internet date && "-0500</ 
> pubDate>" & cr & \
> 			"<guid>http://www.woooooooords.com/woooooooords.irev?rss_news=" &  
> item random(2) of "wo8rdsca,wo8rdsco" & "_date=" & tseconds & "</ 
> guid>" & cr & \
> 			"</item>" into trss_new
> 		if "<link>http://www.woooooooords.com/</link>" & cr & \
> 			"<description>"  & line 2 to -1 of tcontents & cr & "</ 
> description>" & cr & "<pubDate>"	is not in tvar then
> 			put offset("<lastBuildDate>",tvar) & "," & 15+offset("</ 
> lastBuildDate>",tvar) into tipoint
> 			put "<lastBuildDate>" & word 1 to - 2 of the internet date &&  
> "-0500</lastBuildDate>" & cr & cr & \
> 				trss_new into char item 1 of tipoint to item 2 of tipoint of tvar
> 			open file (tdir & "/" & turl) for write
> 			write tvar to file (tdir & "/" & turl)
> 			close file  (tdir & "/" & turl)
> 			put url ("binfile:" & char 1 to 5+offset("/k-max",the directory)  
> of the directory & "/Blog/zimages/w8logoprog24.jpg") into \
> 				url ("binfile:" & char 1 to 5+offset("/k-max",the directory) of  
> the directory & "/Resources/w8logoprog.jpeg")
> 		end if
> 	end if
> end RSSFeedUpdate

HTH,

Le 27 janv. 10 ? 22:04, David Brooks a ?crit :

> I'm teaching a course from on-rev. We keep a home-grown message  
> service going. One person has asked for RSS (really simple  
> syndication) for this system.
>
> Has anyone tried setting up RSS with RunRev?
>
> Has anyone tried setting up RSS on on-rev?
>
> Suggestions and/or appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
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From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Wed Jan 27 19:59:33 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:59:33 -0800
Subject: DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>

I have been looking at Trevors stack from the RunRev 09 session that
supports dragreorder and dragging and dropping data from a DataGroup to
another.
I want to drag and drop data from a data group to a text field, not
another data group.
The following works

For the script of the DataGrid, I have this

on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
   
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
 
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
   
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
   
   ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   put GetDataOfIndex(theIndex, "ID") into theID
   set the dragData["private"] to "MyData" & cr & theID 
   
   ## I don't want to have to use this line, but I can't get by without
it.  See below
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
end dragStart

On the field script I have this

On DragDrop
   if  line 1 of the dragData["private"] is "MyData" then
      put line 2 of the dragData["private"] into me
   end if
end DragDrop

The trouble with the above is that I do not want to allow reordering of
the data and the visual clue that the UI shows when this is enabled so I
comment out the line.
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
or set it to false.

When I do that, the drag and drop no longer works.

What does work, however is if I change the handler on the target field to
DragMove instead of DragDrop.
I don't want this however.  I want drag drop and Not show the dragReorder
visual effect.
What am I doing wrong?

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From dr.alistair at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 23:44:21 2010
From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (dr.alistair at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:21 -0800
Subject: MS Word document export
Message-ID: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>

Hi Curry,

I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I am currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really useful tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm interested in that too.

Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are writing the library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to.

cheers

Alistair Campbell
dr.alistair at gmail.com


From dr.alistair at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 23:45:07 2010
From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (dr.alistair at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:45:07 -0800
Subject: Hiya, Alistair here again...
Message-ID: <32054336.5.1264653907451.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>

Ooops. I am using windows.

cheers

Alistair


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 01:15:02 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:15:02 +1000
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
Message-ID: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
petition at <http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.

Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)

Regards,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 28 02:57:24 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:24 -0800
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001272357m622647baj455f69d91746e134@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah, that's a troubling issue. Has the EFF "Electronic Frontier
Foundation" gotten involved? I know the founder John Barlow personally from
my Grateful Dead days....

sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


On 27 January 2010 22:15, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
> petition at <http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.
>
> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
>
> Regards,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 03:18:23 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:18:23 +0200
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001272357m622647baj455f69d91746e134@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001272357m622647baj455f69d91746e134@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61484F.4070406@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 09:57, stephen barncard wrote:
> Sarah, that's a troubling issue. Has the EFF "Electronic Frontier
> Foundation" gotten involved? I know the founder John Barlow personally from
> my Grateful Dead days....
>    

Some of us are just grateful that we are still alive (says he, 
misreading the
cultural reference) . . .  :)

I am wondering about authoring a paper on
"Runtime Revolution programming as a preventative measure
against developing Alzheimer's" . . .  maybe I should also stop sucking
that aluminium spoon as I work  :(

> sqb
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> On 27 January 2010 22:15, Sarah Reichelt<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
>> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
>> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
>> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
>> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
>> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
>> petition at<http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.
>>      

State control is upon us all over:

http://www.no2id.net

>> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sarah
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>      
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>    



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 04:33:53 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:33:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hard to believe this is much of a commercial loss - if Rev doesn't run on it. 
The thing first makes you go through the app store to get any apps available
for it or loaded on to it.  You don't want to mess with the app store.  Then
as a user you have to buy extra stuff to be able to connect even the most
basic devices like USB.  No flash.  Printing?  How exactly are printers
supported?  Again, writing for it, be careful what you assume about the
environment the user is running.

It probably has a niche, but its not a substitute for a laptop, and its very
expensive as a touch screen media player, and its way too big to be a phone,
and it seems to be a mediocre ebook reader.  People probably will buy it,
but it must be doubtful that enough of them will to make it a viable
platform for the delivery of applications.

Some of the similar units that are coming down, running Windows or Linux,
cheaper and more functional because more open, may well end up being viable
for embedded apps in commercial and industrial applications.  The concept is
probably viable, this particular device in this form probably will not be a
mass market entrant.  Jon Stokes on Ars has an interesting and well balanced
initial take.  The interesting dual screen entourage device announced lately
might be a clue to the future - viable open platform with an e-ink screen to
make long reading pleasurable.  Whether this turns out to be a decent
contender, something of that sort will come down soon.

As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly on all
three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and one whose
market significance is doubtful.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/iPadding-around-tp1311945p1345769.html
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 04:59:54 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:59:54 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4B61601A.5000604@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 11:33, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Hard to believe this is much of a commercial loss - if Rev doesn't run on it.
> The thing first makes you go through the app store to get any apps available
> for it or loaded on to it.  You don't want to mess with the app store.  Then
> as a user you have to buy extra stuff to be able to connect even the most
> basic devices like USB.

This is a commercial ramp; reminds me of my BBC micro - first you buy the
computer, then you find that you need to buy all sorts of extra ROM chips,
a joystick and a mouse, then a Winchester disk . . . all of which, 
naturally, have
to be "species specific". . . Steved again!

>   No flash.  Printing?  How exactly are printers
> supported?

Ha, ha, ha - probably you will find that printing is supported via a 
wireless or
bluetooth set up; or, dare I say it; printables have to be routed via a Mac
computer (well, we'll buy a couple of those just so we can print from 
our iPad).

>   Again, writing for it, be careful what you assume about the
> environment the user is running.
>    
> It probably has a niche, but its not a substitute for a laptop, and its very
> expensive as a touch screen media player, and its way too big to be a phone,
> and it seems to be a mediocre ebook reader.  People probably will buy it,
> but it must be doubtful that enough of them will to make it a viable
> platform for the delivery of applications.
>    

I think the whole thing is a fudge; it is NOT a tablet PC, it is not an 
E-Reader, and
it is at best a crippled cross-breed between a PC and an iPhone. I am 
sure that
people will only buy this thing for POSE value; after all it would be 
very "sexy"
to be seen checking one's e-mails on it in the lobby of some swish hotel 
or an
aeroport; err, sorry . . . maybe the buzz word these days is "aerodrome" 
. . .  :)

Mind you, having said "sexy", it looks almost as anorexic as Steve Jobs 
or Kate Moss.

Perhaps the next thing Apple will be pushing will be so thin that it 
will be invisible;

the "iEmperor" or the "Hans Christian Andersen reader" perhaps.

> Some of the similar units that are coming down, running Windows or Linux,
> cheaper and more functional because more open, may well end up being viable
> for embedded apps in commercial and industrial applications.  The concept is
> probably viable, this particular device in this form probably will not be a
> mass market entrant.  Jon Stokes on Ars has an interesting and well balanced
> initial take.  The interesting dual screen entourage device announced lately
> might be a clue to the future - viable open platform with an e-ink screen to
> make long reading pleasurable.  Whether this turns out to be a decent
> contender, something of that sort will come down soon.
>    

Books feel and smell nice; the sensual dimension of a book will never be
replicated by some electronic gadget.

> As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly on all
> three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and one whose
> market significance is doubtful.
>    

THAT last paragraph is very much too the point. Personally I think the 
hullaballoo
about revMobile may mean that RunRev are spreading themselves too thin.


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 28 05:06:38 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:06:38 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6916BBFD-EEA2-46A4-9479-35EE13428FCE@numericable.com>


Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 10:33, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :

>  more functional because more open,
> 
> As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly on all
> three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and one whose
> market significance is doubtful.

I agree on this point. There are many gaps, particularly in music and audio. But it seems that some technologies are brought to have a bright future, "multitouch" particular and the advances in these areas with RevMobile should enhance opportunities RunRev, at least I hope so.
As for the closed architecture of the iPad, I think it's a bad trial done to Apple with the release of the Macintosh in 1984. Yet although the "petit" Macintosh computer "closed" which revolutionized the computer of the twentieth century and has its opening in greater numbers than either through the original or its "copy"...
Ren?

From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 05:20:56 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:20:56 +1000
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
Message-ID: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
problems.

For further details see:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290

Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.

Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.

If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.


Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 05:33:05 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:33:05 +1000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>

> As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly on all
> three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and one whose
> market significance is doubtful.


While I have no idea of the market for Rev and how it is divided among
the platforms, I would suggest that there is far more commercial sense
in expanding Rev to the iPhone/iPad market, perhaps at the expense of
the Linux market. So long as your app uses standard APIs (which would
be RunRev's responsibility) and doesn't try to do anything too
obviously against Apple's guide lines (which are agreed to in advance
by all registered iPhone developers), then Apple gives you a fantastic
marketing tool in the App store, as well as a standard platform where
your apps run in their own sandbox and cannot be accused of
interfering with other apps.

To me, this seems like a fantastic market for us as developers, and I
certainly plan to exploit the iPhone/iPad for in-house applications.
as well.

Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
source and mainly free software. There are already 75 million iPhone
users and that number will only increase with the iPad. And these
people are already used to paying for apps over the App store.

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. If you want my thoughts on the iPad, which are very different to
Peter's & Richmond's, then have a look at my blog
<http://www.troz.net/tech/>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 28 05:37:07 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:37:07 -0800
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C786A8D3.477FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> problems.

Sarah, I was never able to find a workaround for this.  I was able to get
past it by using a custom titlebar (this was by design for the project, so
it worked out OK) but this is by no means a solution.

The one hack that was proposed which seemed to have some merit was to
display the video in a separate decoration-less palette stack at the
intended player location above the main stack.  I believe on Windows the
moveStack message is sent while dragging a standard window, so you could
account for users dragging the main stack and reposition the video stack
simultaneously.  Of course, minimizing the main stack will present some
challenges.   Had I needed to deliver my app with standard system
decorations, I probably would have gone this route.

I haven't had a chance to play with Rev 4.5 but if the title issue is still
present, I fully agree that this a major issue and needs to be dealt with
ASAP.  I don't see how anyone can take an app seriously that can't even
display its own name properly.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Jan 28 05:41:53 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:41:53 +0000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <6916BBFD-EEA2-46A4-9479-35EE13428FCE@numericable.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<6916BBFD-EEA2-46A4-9479-35EE13428FCE@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <4B6169F1.7000407@ekoinf.net>

hey, many alternatives are coming soon: 
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/186247/hp_slate_lowers_the_bar_for_apples_tablet_pc.html

Some of them run Windows 7, so I guess, we should be able to create apps 
for these.

Viktoras


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 28 05:51:06 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:51:06 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37EBC4C1-CE82-40CE-8CE1-D486A85F93B8@numericable.com>

Hello Sarah,

Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 11:33, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
> 
> P.S. If you want my thoughts on the iPad, which are very different to
> Peter's & Richmond's, then have a look at my blog
> <http://www.troz.net/tech/>

"It's basically a big iPhone without the phone" > then it is a BIG iPod Touch... ;-)

"An iPad plus the 3 iWork apps will cost $528.97 as well as being smaller, lighter and easier to use" 
Yes but it is necessary to add the price of keyboard dock accessory

But I think I love it...
But I can not say more as I have not tried...

Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jan 28 06:29:57 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:29:57 +0100
Subject: [Ann] Build your own games
In-Reply-To: <20100126041955.267412881E1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100126041955.267412881E1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F3D46C25-D61D-46E9-90AC-0171FE394C3F@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

thanks for all the feedback I have received both on- and off-list!

I have taken the top question into account and re-uploaded the sources. The question was: "The nice soundtrack original drops had is not in there, is it?" Yes, it is. :-) You just had to make a code change to make it play. Those who have asked, have received instructions on how to do that off-list. For the others, the current version automatically sets the right path. Setting up all player references and preference storing is now as easy as changing the value of one constant. I hope this is helpful.

If there are any more questions, please keep them coming. 

To clarify on another top question: 

No, moving out of the games business does not mean the end for our add ons. Actually it means quite the opposite thing. The funds we raise from selling games sources will buy us more dev time assigned to me, to work more on the core libraries of all the software we write. 2 of them being animationEngine and chartsEngine. We have a strong userbase for them. And I appreciate all the feedback we get there. We will make them better. There will be more stuff from us.
It also does not mean we will never write a game again. I love writing games too much to give that up. It just consumes too much time to market mini games nowadays. Time we better invest into making our code better. We are coders, not marketeers. :-) And basically we do not want to be.

All the best,

Malte

http://www.awesomemegamightygames.com/pages/en/games/get-the-source.php

From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan 28 06:31:30 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:31:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
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Sarah,
I aggree that the iPad offers an opportunity for Rev developers once
RevMobile is there and working. As you mentioned the in-house market and the
vertical market will have a device that can change a lot of workflows. 

Just consider connecting a bar-code scanner to the iPad and you have an
inventory system that can very well be integrated into an existing IT
infrastructure.

Or consider connecting a credit-card reader/mobile printer and you change
your whole buisiness from a fixed point of sale to a mobile one as Apple
does in its stores.

Consider hospitals with their need for mobile access to data and data input.

I know of some buisinesses that are just waiting for a device of that form
factor to change the way they do their retail and inventory.

Since I have the feeling that Rev is mostly used in vertical markets and
seeing how these markets have a tendency to go mobile this might well be an
opportunity for Rev developers.

And although I see some problems with the Appstore, as far as distribution
of software especially for small companies and even single person companies
it takes a lot of problems out marketing a product.
regards
Bernd
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 06:32:40 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:32:40 +0000
Subject: iPadding around?
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Hi Sarah

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Sarah Reichelt
<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly on all
>> three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and one whose
>> market significance is doubtful.
>
> While I have no idea of the market for Rev and how it is divided among
> the platforms, I would suggest that there is far more commercial sense
> in expanding Rev to the iPhone/iPad market, perhaps at the expense of
> the Linux market.

I seem to remember an article in the RunRev newsletter around the
release of v2.9 where 41% of Rev developers rated Linux as an
important platform for Revolution.

AFAIK On-Rev runs on Linux.  Why is that I wonder?  It could run on
the "insanely great" OS X.  But I suspect the reason it doesn't is
that OS X hosted servers are just far too expensive (or far too slow)
for the service to be economical.  One plank of RunRev's strategy
could well be entirely dependent on Linux.

> So long as your app uses standard APIs (which would
> be RunRev's responsibility) and doesn't try to do anything too
> obviously against Apple's guide lines (which are agreed to in advance
> by all registered iPhone developers), then Apple gives you a fantastic
> marketing tool in the App store, as well as a standard platform where
> your apps run in their own sandbox and cannot be accused of
> interfering with other apps.

AFAIK that means no revbrowser in your app.  No loading of external
scripts (so no libraries unless they were built-in to a standalone as
custom properties and pulled out to be put in use), probably no
externals, maybe QT wouldn't even work inside an iPhone app.  Probably
no sqlite (as someone who recently had Rev screw itself royally trying
to work with a few thousand cards, it starts to look like any Rev app
running on an iPhone is going to be little more than a presentation
layer, in which case I have to wonder why not just go with a web app?
I'm sure you know far more about what will and will not be possible,
so look forward to learning more.

As someone with only a tangential interest in the iPhone, I have seen
that there are various developers who have had apps accepted by Apple,
then subsequently pulled.  It seems that removal can even be done
because another developer objects to your app being in the app store.
Whilst the world has been moving towards software freedom for more
than a decade, Apple is trying to go in reverse.  The irony is of
course that OS X would have been dead in the water without the freedom
provided by FreeBSD and so many userland tools that Apple also bundled
along with OS X.  Personally I think it's immoral to encourage Apple
in this direction.  It's because of what I saw happening with the
iPhone that I won't own an iPhone, and I won't buy another Mac.

> Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
> logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
> with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
> source and mainly free software.

Those of use who have been waiting for (and paying for) parity between
Linux and OS X thank you for your support :-)

It seems odd to me that on the day after the iPad is announced you
would suggest that RunRev ditch further development of the Linux
version, when RunRev have already announced RevMobile which would
supports the iPhone, Windows Mobile, and Maemo.  It sounds like you
are not confident that RunRev can manage to produce a cross-platform
tool for more than two platforms.  Hey, the vast majority of people
use windows (which has much greater backwards compatibility than
Apple's OS), so why not just ditch OS X and concentrate on Windows?
Then you'd perhaps get an idea of how frustrated those of use wanting
feature parity in Linux feel.

> There are already 75 million iPhone
> users and that number will only increase with the iPad.

That is (trivially) true - some people will buy the iPad, but you're
implying it will be a success.  I was surprised that there was so much
negative reaction to the iPad.  Before it was announced there was a
lot of optimism.  Whether it was misplaced or not, the reaction I've
observed doesn't convince me that the iPad is going to be anything
like the success of the iPod or iPhone.  Maybe I've misunderstood your
remark :-)  Are you suggesting that the number of iPhone users will
increase because the iPad is such an obvious disappointment?

Quite frankly, the whole movement of RunRev into the plugin, on-rev,
revMobile areas fills me with dread.  There are long-standing admitted
bugs with Rev on all three current platforms.  Instead of fixing those
bugs, they are just branching out into more platforms, and inevitably
more bugs.  For deities' sake, there are admitted bugs with "visual
effect", exactly the kind of thing that would prove useful on a small
screen like a phone
(http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7358).  That bug
hasn't even moved on to the pending pile in the 15 months since I
initially reported it.

We still don't even have a web plugin for Linux, and when I asked
there was no schedule for it to be released.

There are currently 1997 outstanding bugs (i.e. excluding
enhancements).  This time last year there were 1577 outstanding bugs.

Regards

Bernard


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Jan 28 06:41:23 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:41:23 +0000
Subject: iPadding around?
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I see these "slate computers" as perfect means for "out of office" data 
collection/retrieval/on-site analysis in science (field works, 
expeditions), medicine, surveys, etc... Add GPS and Wifi/GPRS/etc.. 
connectivity and it looks like a platform worth to be taken seriously :-)

Viktoras

BNig wrote:
> Sarah,
> I aggree that the iPad offers an opportunity for Rev developers once
> RevMobile is there and working. As you mentioned the in-house market and the
> vertical market will have a device that can change a lot of workflows. 
>
> Just consider connecting a bar-code scanner to the iPad and you have an
> inventory system that can very well be integrated into an existing IT
> infrastructure.
>
> Or consider connecting a credit-card reader/mobile printer and you change
> your whole buisiness from a fixed point of sale to a mobile one as Apple
> does in its stores.
>
> Consider hospitals with their need for mobile access to data and data input.
>
> I know of some buisinesses that are just waiting for a device of that form
> factor to change the way they do their retail and inventory.
>
> Since I have the feeling that Rev is mostly used in vertical markets and
> seeing how these markets have a tendency to go mobile this might well be an
> opportunity for Rev developers.
>
> And although I see some problems with the Appstore, as far as distribution
> of software especially for small companies and even single person companies
> it takes a lot of problems out marketing a product.
> regards
> Bernd
>   



From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 28 06:51:12 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:51:12 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
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The simplest way to deploy first class well maintened entrainment or  
B2B apps to all of those mobile devices at once and without caring  
about having to compose with iStore religious and proprietary  
compliance : web apps maked simple trough the final release of the  
irev / revServer, perhaps, at least, the threest's Rev biggest  
potential platform after Win and OS X and probably lots before the  
Linux and revMobile ones...

Le 28 janv. 10 ? 11:41, viktoras d. a ?crit :

> hey, many alternatives are coming soon: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/186247/hp_slate_lowers_the_bar_for_apples_tablet_pc.html
>
> Some of them run Windows 7, so I guess, we should be able to create  
> apps for these.
>
> Viktoras
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From ___BG___ at VirginBroadband.com.au  Thu Jan 28 07:18:12 2010
From: ___BG___ at VirginBroadband.com.au (Brent Summerton)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:48:12 +1030
Subject: MS Word document export
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Me too. If I can help. I am using Mac OS.

Kind regards from,
Brent Summertons' iPhone

On 28/01/2010, at 3:14 PM, dr.alistair at gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Curry,
>
> I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I  
> am currently using merge() to create reports for an application that  
> I am working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a  
> really useful tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference,  
> so I'm interested in that too.
>
> Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are  
> writing the library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can  
> help I'd like to.
>
> cheers
>
> Alistair Campbell
> dr.alistair at gmail.com
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan 28 08:21:12 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:21:12 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
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Thank you Sarah,

This is just the beginning of a huge advantage for runrev developers.  
Touch screens have been around for a long time but with no real  
customer base. The size and features of the iPad and the exposure to  
75 Million people is enticing enough for me. I have been writing my  
first and second apps for the iPhone and am branching out to include  
the iPad.

Compare: I wrote a free crossplatform app and marketed it  on the  
internet and got 50 downloads over two years. I co-wrote a free iPhone/ 
iTouch/iPad app and didn't market it, instead we just put it on the  
App store and got over 4,000 downloads in less than a year! ! !

This is by far a fantastic market for us developers and also for  
runrev to pick up on technologies like touch events and to explore  
portability issues.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly  
>> on all
>> three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and  
>> one whose
>> market significance is doubtful.
>
>
> While I have no idea of the market for Rev and how it is divided among
> the platforms, I would suggest that there is far more commercial sense
> in expanding Rev to the iPhone/iPad market, perhaps at the expense of
> the Linux market. So long as your app uses standard APIs (which would
> be RunRev's responsibility) and doesn't try to do anything too
> obviously against Apple's guide lines (which are agreed to in advance
> by all registered iPhone developers), then Apple gives you a fantastic
> marketing tool in the App store, as well as a standard platform where
> your apps run in their own sandbox and cannot be accused of
> interfering with other apps.
>
> To me, this seems like a fantastic market for us as developers, and I
> certainly plan to exploit the iPhone/iPad for in-house applications.
> as well.
>
> Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
> logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
> with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
> source and mainly free software. There are already 75 million iPhone
> users and that number will only increase with the iPad. And these
> people are already used to paying for apps over the App store.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> P.S. If you want my thoughts on the iPad, which are very different to
> Peter's & Richmond's, then have a look at my blog
> <http://www.troz.net/tech/>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan 28 08:26:23 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:26:23 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
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You do not need to add the keyboard dock accessory since it has the  
almost full size touch keyboard! And trying to push the iPad to be a  
laptop is not the same thing as either a netbook or a laptop.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> Hello Sarah,
>
> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 11:33, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
>>
>> P.S. If you want my thoughts on the iPad, which are very different to
>> Peter's & Richmond's, then have a look at my blog
>> <http://www.troz.net/tech/>
>
> "It's basically a big iPhone without the phone" > then it is a BIG  
> iPod Touch... ;-)
>
> "An iPad plus the 3 iWork apps will cost $528.97 as well as being  
> smaller, lighter and easier to use"
> Yes but it is necessary to add the price of keyboard dock accessory
>
> But I think I love it...
> But I can not say more as I have not tried...
>
> Bons souvenirs de Paris
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 08:27:51 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:27:51 +0200
Subject: Export locations
Message-ID: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>

Having exported a file from my merry Sanskrit Typewriter standalone to 
my location of choice,
I find, on attempting to save a second file the standalone has not 
remembered my previous choice
so I have to click around all over again, and again, and again to find 
my location.

Not Good.

Any bright ideas?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 08:31:31 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:31:31 +0200
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
Message-ID: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>

Here we go again:

How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time, 
effort and limited
resources continuing development of a Linux version ?

How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might be 
sensible
of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux distros 
(e.g. Debian derivatives) ?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan 28 08:32:36 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:32:36 +0100
Subject: Export locations
In-Reply-To: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>
References: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>
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Hi Richmond,

> Having exported a file from my merry Sanskrit Typewriter standalone to my location of choice,
> I find, on attempting to save a second file the standalone has not remembered my previous choice
> so I have to click around all over again, and again, and again to find my location.
> 
> Not Good.
> 
> Any bright ideas?

I am sure there are many free memory training apps around on the net :-D
Sorry, never can resist...


Best

Klaus

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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 28 08:33:20 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:33:20 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
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By this point I followed the blog of Sarah : "Numbers and Pages will make this a working computer, rather than just a portable communication device".
I think that for a "working computer" the keyboard accessory is necessary (not only accessory ;-)
Ren?

Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 14:26, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> You do not need to add the keyboard dock accessory since it has the almost full size touch keyboard! And trying to push the iPad to be a laptop is not the same thing as either a netbook or a laptop.



From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Thu Jan 28 08:34:17 2010
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:34:17 +0000
Subject: Export locations
In-Reply-To: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>
References: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0BF1FA55-7E68-4E4B-BE05-BC5A546C7865@liverpool.ac.uk>

Hi Richmond,
After I've saved a document I write a little text file to the user's preferences folder - the text file contains the last save path. Just before I put up a save box in my program, I test to see if that little text file exists. If it does, I read it in and use the path it contains as the location to save to. If it doesn't exist I pick a reasonable default (the user's documents folder). This works ok for me (on Windows and Mac OS X).


On 28 Jan 2010, at 13:27, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Having exported a file from my merry Sanskrit Typewriter standalone to 
> my location of choice,
> I find, on attempting to save a second file the standalone has not 
> remembered my previous choice
> so I have to click around all over again, and again, and again to find 
> my location.
> 
> Not Good.
> 
> Any bright ideas?
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 08:36:53 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:36:53 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <BA8C8866-91F1-4F27-9043-B18D626CABE8@mac.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>	<37EBC4C1-CE82-40CE-8CE1-D486A85F93B8@numericable.com>
	<BA8C8866-91F1-4F27-9043-B18D626CABE8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B6192F5.7060902@gmail.com>

Dear Sarah et al,

"My last wild guess is that this is another blow to the PC manufacturers 
and to Microsoft. The iPhone has been adopted by millions of people, 
regardless of whether they use Macs or PCs. But the iPad will be 
creating and editing iWork documents. I wonder will the iPad versions 
have the ability to export files in MS Office format? If not, the iPad 
will be another incentive to switch."

presumably QuickOffice for iPhone will work on iPad:

http://www.megaleecher.net/taxonomy/term/6174

it can cope with Microsoft Office files.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 08:37:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:37:57 +0200
Subject: Export locations
In-Reply-To: <0BF1FA55-7E68-4E4B-BE05-BC5A546C7865@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>
	<0BF1FA55-7E68-4E4B-BE05-BC5A546C7865@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4B619335.700@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 15:34, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
> After I've saved a document I write a little text file to the user's preferences folder - the text file contains the last save path. Just before I put up a save box in my program, I test to see if that little text file exists. If it does, I read it in and use the path it contains as the location to save to. If it doesn't exist I pick a reasonable default (the user's documents folder). This works ok for me (on Windows and Mac OS X).
>
>
>    
Lovely job!


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jan 28 08:47:45 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:47:45 +0100
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <20100126162836.42A4C288249@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100126162836.42A4C288249@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1F954936-0E8A-4E29-BBDC-7FBFBAFB9359@derbrill.de>

Richmond wrote:
> How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might be 
> sensible
> of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux distros 
> (e.g. Debian derivatives) ?

I certainly would appreciate having a list of distros being known to work without major flaws.
If it is branded "Linux" I expect *any* distribution (as far as that may be possible) to work.
If it was to say, works on UBUNTU and XYZ, for the rest you?re on your own my friend, I certainly could live with that.
I think the major Problem is that there is no such thing as "Linux - the operating system". there are many of
those out there. All a little different
All the best,

Malte

From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan 28 08:54:55 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:55 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <FFAED4AD-80AD-4E59-82D3-4B3DFADC7799@numericable.com>
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;-)

Ren? , I guess some might consider it a necessary accessory. I got to  
use a wacom touch screen a few years ago with built in computer screen  
and would lay it on my lap and found that using the keyboard was not  
as desirable or productive as  just popping up an onscreen keyboard.  
But I guess for some serious typing the keyboard might be helpful.

But as to Sarah's blog comment, I disagree with even thinking of this  
iPad thing as a 'working computer'. My iPhone is not a working  
computer, my other smart phones (7 of them) are not working computers.  
I can get a certain amount of 'productivity' out of all of these  
devices. Some of that productivity is very very useful and appropriate  
for the situation and device on hand. I wrote a 42 page scope of work  
on my iPhone up at camp but only because I did not have my laptop with  
me. And although I was on vacation it started raining for two days and  
so I decided to get some work done in the quiet solitude of camp. It  
would have been good to have had an iPad at the time but even better  
would have been my laptop. But if I planned beforehand to work up at  
camp I would not consider either my iPhone or an iPad but would pack  
up my laptop instead.



On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> By this point I followed the blog of Sarah : "Numbers and Pages will  
> make this a working computer, rather than just a portable  
> communication device".
> I think that for a "working computer" the keyboard accessory is  
> necessary (not only accessory ;-)
> Ren?
>
> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 14:26, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>> You do not need to add the keyboard dock accessory since it has the  
>> almost full size touch keyboard! And trying to push the iPad to be  
>> a laptop is not the same thing as either a netbook or a laptop.
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Jan 28 08:57:36 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:57:36 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <5CC6B930-420E-4F9C-9154-781EA53635FF@mac.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
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I think people have some wrong ideas with regard to the iPad:

It's not a development platform, it's a playback one. You can't  
develop Xbox games on an Xbox, so don't worry if an iPad lacks some  
full OS features, use your computer for doing the development.

A lot of the 140,000 Apps in the App Store are good ideas that suffer  
a bit from having to be used on a 3.5 inch screen. An iPad would make  
those Apps be more useful. Most of the Apps, especially games, will be  
more impressive on an iPad.

The market for RunRev is made up from people who want to develop  
something, either for commercial or personal use. Those people have  
several other tools to choose from, so Rev has to have something  
better to offer. In the case of iPhone development it does, at least  
when compared against XCode.

To get an idea of how appealing it is to have an easy tool for making  
iPhone Apps, look at GameSalad. It's currently on beta version 0.7,  
and yet this week alone there are 12 new Apps in the store that use  
the tool.

With Flash, Unity, GameSalad, and XCode, you can create and test  
applications on up to 100 devices. So, at least for personal  
productivity applications you don't need to deal with the App Store.  
You could also sell a specialized application to one of your clients,  
which would work for a year until the provisioning file expires. That  
would give you ongoing income, again without using the App Store.

In any case, I'm puzzled to see some people being passionately against  
the iPad. If you don't think it has any value just don't get one! 


From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Jan 28 09:00:44 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:00:44 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <FFAED4AD-80AD-4E59-82D3-4B3DFADC7799@numericable.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
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	<37EBC4C1-CE82-40CE-8CE1-D486A85F93B8@numericable.com>
	<BA8C8866-91F1-4F27-9043-B18D626CABE8@mac.com>
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About the keyboard, do you know that the iPad has Bluetooth? If you  
can find your own way to prop it up, you should be able to use an  
existing Bluetooth keyboard. Not sure about mouse support. 
  


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 09:02:30 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:02:30 +0200
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <1F954936-0E8A-4E29-BBDC-7FBFBAFB9359@derbrill.de>
References: <20100126162836.42A4C288249@mail.runrev.com>
	<1F954936-0E8A-4E29-BBDC-7FBFBAFB9359@derbrill.de>
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On 28/01/2010 15:47, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>    
>> How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might be
>> sensible
>> of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux distros
>> (e.g. Debian derivatives) ?
>>      
> I certainly would appreciate having a list of distros being known to work without major flaws.
> If it is branded "Linux" I expect *any* distribution (as far as that may be possible) to work.
> If it was to say, works on UBUNTU and XYZ, for the rest you?re on your own my friend, I certainly could live with that.
> I think the major Problem is that there is no such thing as "Linux - the operating system". there are many of
> those out there. All a little different
> All the best,
>
>    
For quite a long time now the Ubuntu people have been urging people to 
say that their PC is
running Ubuntu rather than 'Linux'.

Now that quite a few Linux distros are mature operating systems it does 
seem as disingenuous
to describe Ubuntu or Red Hat as 'Linux' as describing Mac OS X as 
'UNIX', or Windows as 'DOS' (OK, OK,
I know Windows stopped "floating" on DOS back with Millennium).

5/6 years ago I spent about 6 months "messing around' with any number of 
'Linux' operating
systems (the CDs now come in extremely useful as firelighters) until I 
settled on Ubuntu, as that
suited my needs for my school. Ubuntu is the most popular desktop Open 
Source OS.

There are a variety of operating systems that are built on an Ubuntu 
foundation, so, as well as
speaking of 'Debian derivatives' (such as Ubuntu) we can now speak of 
'Ubuntu derivatives';
so it might be reasonable to label RunRev as "runs on Ubuntu and 
derivatives".
One would even have to be more careful as RunRev 4 'Linux' will not run 
on Ubuntu 5.10, but
will run on 8.04 (frankly cannot be bothered to test 'places' in 
between), nor can RR 4 standalones.

I also use 'Damn Small' on an old Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM - keep it in 
the back of the car
for diagnostic stuff when people have problems with their networks - the 
thought of trying to run
RunRev or a standalone on it makes me feel very odd indeed.


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 28 09:03:34 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:03:34 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
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Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology (Technical Specifications) of iPad

Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 15:00, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

> About the keyboard, do you know that the iPad has Bluetooth? If you can find your own way to prop it up, you should be able to use an existing Bluetooth keyboard. Not sure about mouse support._______________________________________________
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 28 09:21:55 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:21:55 -0500
Subject: DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove
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References: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <D8D10E44-B3E7-4538-BACC-D56ECA1CBE35@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:59 PM, RevList wrote:

> On the field script I have this
>
> On DragDrop
>   if  line 1 of the dragData["private"] is "MyData" then
>      put line 2 of the dragData["private"] into me
>   end if
> end DragDrop
>
> The trouble with the above is that I do not want to allow reordering  
> of
> the data and the visual clue that the UI shows when this is enabled  
> so I
> comment out the line.
>   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
> or set it to false.
>
> When I do that, the drag and drop no longer works.

You need to specify that the field can accept the drop. Try adding the  
following code to the field script after commenting out the  
dgTrackDragReorder code:

on dragEnter
     if  line 1 of the dragData["private"] is "MyData" then
         set the dragAction to "copy"
     end if
end dragEnter

on dragDrop
     put line 2 of the dragData["private"] into me
end dragDrop

Does that work?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Jan 28 09:25:17 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:25:17 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
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On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>  
wrote:

> Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology (Technical Specifications) of iPad

I think the hardware can support a Bluetooth mouse, but I'm not sure  
if the software would then show a cursor. 

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 09:29:49 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:29:49 +0100
Subject: DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>
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2010/1/28 RevList <RevList at createchsol.com>:

> I have been looking at Trevors stack from the RunRev 09 session that
> supports dragreorder and dragging and dropping data from a DataGroup to
> another.
> I want to drag and drop data from a data group to a text field, not
> another data group.
> The following works
>
> For the script of the DataGrid, I have this
>
> on dragStart
> ? put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
>
> ? ## Watch out for dragging on the header
> ? if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
>
> ? ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
> ? put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
>
> ? ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row
> ? ## that theIndex is associated with
> ? set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
>
> ? ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation
> ? ## begins
> ? put GetDataOfIndex(theIndex, "ID") into theID
> ? set the dragData["private"] to "MyData" & cr & theID
>
> ? ## I don't want to have to use this line, but I can't get by without
> it. ?See below
> ? set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
> end dragStart
>
> On the field script I have this
>
> On DragDrop
> ? if ?line 1 of the dragData["private"] is "MyData" then
> ? ? ?put line 2 of the dragData["private"] into me
> ? end if
> end DragDrop
>
> The trouble with the above is that I do not want to allow reordering of
> the data and the visual clue that the UI shows when this is enabled so I
> comment out the line.
> ? set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
> or set it to false.
>
> When I do that, the drag and drop no longer works.
>
> What does work, however is if I change the handler on the target field to
> DragMove instead of DragDrop.
> I don't want this however. ?I want drag drop and Not show the dragReorder
> visual effect.
> What am I doing wrong?

As far as I have understand, the "set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex]
of me to true" send internally to the tracker that a successful drop
occurs, so that's why nothing occurs if you remove this line.
I believe that you have to play with the "drop indicator" button
located in the data grid library. This button manage the visual
effect.
It seems that there is no property to change the drop indicator
behavior but if you have already duplicate the datagrid library you
could try in this way.

Trevor will be more helpful with this than me.

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 28 10:08:29 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:08:29 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
Message-ID: <4B61A86D.6020705@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> While I have no idea of the market for Rev and how it is divided among
> the platforms, I would suggest that there is far more commercial sense
> in expanding Rev to the iPhone/iPad market, perhaps at the expense of
> the Linux market.

Fortunately, given how far along the Rev Linux engine is, it doesn't 
seem it'll come to that.

Regardless of the opportunities or lack thereof one may see with the 
world's fastest-growing OS, Rev is already so close to having a really 
good engine for Linux that it would cost them much more to abandon it 
than simply finish it.

RunRev have characterized the iPhone engine as a separate development 
track from the desktop engines.  I have to trust Kevin on this when he 
says the team can do both, and since I use Rev on my Ubuntu-powered 
machine almost daily I can report that warts and all it's coming along 
very well.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Thu Jan 28 10:18:52 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:18:52 -0800
Subject: DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove
In-Reply-To: <D8D10E44-B3E7-4538-BACC-D56ECA1CBE35@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<D8D10E44-B3E7-4538-BACC-D56ECA1CBE35@mangomultimedia.com>
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Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> on January 28, 2010 at 6:21 AM
-0800 wrote:
>Does that work?

Like a charm.  As usual.  Many thanks.  Also, your sessions at RunRev 09
that I am watchin on DVD right now are outstanding.   I finally think I
understand how Data Grids function.


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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 10:30:49 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:30:49 +0000
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <1F954936-0E8A-4E29-BBDC-7FBFBAFB9359@derbrill.de>
References: <20100126162836.42A4C288249@mail.runrev.com>
	<1F954936-0E8A-4E29-BBDC-7FBFBAFB9359@derbrill.de>
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill
<revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
> I certainly would appreciate having a list of distros being known to work without major flaws.
> If it is branded "Linux" I expect *any* distribution (as far as that may be possible) to work.
> If it was to say, works on UBUNTU and XYZ, for the rest you?re on your own my friend, I certainly
> could live with that.

As a wise man who contributes to this list would say: "Amen to that,
brother" :-)

I would prefer that one distro could be chosen and be supported.  I've
never been a great fan of Ubuntu in the past (preferring most of the
better-known distros, in fact), but having installed Ubuntu on my
netbook, I've have been very pleased with it.

My frustrations have been with the idea that RunRev supports Rev on
Linux, when in fact the problems with Rev on Fedora, Suse, Mandrake
are manifold.  In fact, it was my desperation to find just one
distribution where I can use Rev that made me resort to Ubuntu.

I think Peter and some of the others may not be Ubuntu users, so they
may not endorse this line of thinking.

I really hope that if this was adopted there could be a push for
feature parity e.g. revBrowser on Linux.

Bernard


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Jan 28 10:31:16 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:31:16 +0100
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <100700A0-F0DB-4BE3-B55E-BE0211487588@mines-paristech.fr>

There have been some attempts at that in France. Until now, they have been thwarted by the Constitutional Council who has asserted that the right to access the internet is part of the fundamental right to access information and (implicitly) is guaranteed by the constitution. Of course the government have laid another law on the subject; I do not know what is going to happen.

In french:

Dans leur d?cision, les sages du Palais Royal estiment que la libert? de communication et d'expression ?nonc?e dans la d?claration des droits de l'homme implique, "eu ?gard au d?veloppement g?n?ralis? d'internet", la "libert? d'acc?der au services de communication au public en ligne". Ils en tirent la conclusion que la coupure de l'abonnement ne pouvait en cons?quence incomber qu'au juge.

in english
In their decision, the wise men at the Palais Royal have considered that the freedom of communication and of expression as stated in the declaration of human rights implies, "considering the general growth of internet", the "freedom to access online communication". As a consequence, the termination of a(n internet) subscription could only be decided by a judge.

(in this law, the internet subscription could  be terminated by a simple administrative decision, without any debate).

May this help.
Fran?ois 

Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 07:15, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
> petition at <http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.
> 
> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Sarah





From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 10:36:28 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:36:28 -0700
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1725B103-7A3B-4A8E-A0E8-B86A148D9C05@gmail.com>

Hi Sarah,

I believe this is the workaround we used:

	set the revruntimebehaviour to 4

I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. It's also possible that this line of code came to me as a result of emailing support directly.

Anyway, hope it helps.

Chris


On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> problems.
> 
> For further details see:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
> 
> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
> 
> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
> 
> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
> 
> 
> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
> Sarah
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Jan 28 10:38:24 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:38:24 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B61A86D.6020705@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B61A86D.6020705@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B72BB13EE9794B1A8913F82DE41647ED@GATEWAY>

> Fortunately, given how far along the Rev Linux engine is, it 
> doesn't seem it'll come to that.
> 
> Regardless of the opportunities or lack thereof one may see 
> with the world's fastest-growing OS, Rev is already so close 
> to having a really good engine for Linux that it would cost 
> them much more to abandon it than simply finish it.

I couldn't agree more. Over the last two years, Runtime has made very
significant investments in improving the Linux experience. The more recent
server-side updates and releases makes this even more compeling. Unless you
are a 100% Microsoft shop, you can't ignore what's happening on Linux and
server-side applications.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 28 10:49:47 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:49:47 -0800
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
Message-ID: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time,
> effort and limited
> resources continuing development of a Linux version ?

Count me among them.

> How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might be
> sensible
> of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux distros
> (e.g. Debian derivatives) ?

To me it seems sensible to allocate resources proportionate to the 
distro audience.  Accordingly, Ubuntu would be the primary target since 
it's the clear #1 for consumers, with others coming along for the ride 
as resources and compatibility permit.

It's a shame that after so many years there still isn't a single 
standard for deploying apps (with icon and file associations, 
installation, etc.) for all desktop distros.  Kinda silly, really, and 
further evidence that the most significant thing holding back Linux 
adoption today is that its core base are too skilled in it to prioritize 
affordances for newcomers.

But in spite of its unnecessarily fragmented nature, Linux is growing at 
a rate that merits attention, thanks in no small part to the Ubuntu and 
Gnome teams' focus on the consumer experience.  I've been on the Gnome 
usability discussion list for the last few years, and have been as 
impressed by their detailed work as I have with the outcomes I see in 
Ubuntu with every new version.

The governments of Brazil, India, Berlin and many others have 
standardized on Linux, as has the US Army, reported to be the single 
largest install by number of desktops.  And then there are the countless 
universities around the world which are adopting Linux, and so much of 
the developing world for which a free OS is creating opportunities that 
were unthinkable in the old world where each desktop always carried a 
$100 OS tax.

There are now options. Linux's price is unbeatable, Ubuntu's 
implementation very easy to install and use, and running the Ubuntu 
Netbook Remix Edition on a sub-$300 netbook opens up a lot of computing 
options for people who had previously been locked out of participating 
in the Internet revolution.  Many vast new markets are coming online.

When we look at where Linux is being used I see enormous opportunities 
for specialized apps, even commercial ones, of the vertical sort Rev is 
ideally suited for.

And some software can be made with grants.  A lot of shops do well on 
grant money alone.  My first paid gig as a developer was funded by a 
grant from the US Dept. of Energy, many weeks of work that let me buy a 
new car while delivering prototypes of new imaging techniques for 
subsurface exploration, a win-win all around. I'm currently pursuing 
grants for a new app, and am awaiting response on another grant-funded 
Rev project.  With one of the apps I manage we have a competitor whose 
product was initially funded, from initial design through v1.0, by a 
grant from the US Navy, who have since moved on to become a sustainable 
commercial entity.

Lest we forget, where would we be without publicly-funded software?  OS 
X is BSD at its core, created at publicly-funded UC Berkeley.  And the 
first web browser, Mosaic, which spawned Navigator and ultimately 
Mozilla's Firefox, began life at the publicly-funded NCSA.

While I find many things in "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" to be a bit 
optimistic in some regards, there are in fact a great many opportunities 
in software that runs on free OSes, both commercial and non-commercial.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 10:52:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:52:16 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <1CE67DB1-AC52-4770-9162-48FB37E1F910@verizon.net>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>	<5CC6B930-420E-4F9C-9154-781EA53635FF@mac.com>
	<1CE67DB1-AC52-4770-9162-48FB37E1F910@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B61B2B0.2090306@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 15:57, Colin Holgate wrote:
> I think people have some wrong ideas with regard to the iPad:
>
> It's not a development platform, it's a playback one.

I would strongly emphasise the 'play' in 'playback'!

This does indeed seem to be the case; iPad seems to be another toy for 
those who already
have all the other toys - and as such has 'toy' applications.

HOWEVER; while it may be a rich man's toy (and I use the word 'man' not 
to be sexist,
but because we all know that, on the whole, it is men who invest in 
fancy gadgets rather
more than women) and none of us should contemplate buying an iPad as a 
development
tool; we can still consider developing stuff to be deployed on it.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 11:07:53 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:53 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <B72BB13EE9794B1A8913F82DE41647ED@GATEWAY>
References: <4B61A86D.6020705@fourthworld.com>
	<B72BB13EE9794B1A8913F82DE41647ED@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4B61B659.1020306@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 17:38, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>> Fortunately, given how far along the Rev Linux engine is, it
>> doesn't seem it'll come to that.
>>
>> Regardless of the opportunities or lack thereof one may see
>> with the world's fastest-growing OS, Rev is already so close
>> to having a really good engine for Linux that it would cost
>> them much more to abandon it than simply finish it.
>>      
>    
A lot of people are becoming disenchanted with Windows
and the "Joy of Viruses" (NOT written by Dr Alex Comfort); and
with the advent of Open Office 3, mature versions of GIMP and
Inkscape reasons for sticking with Windows look increasingly
less tenable.

One of the HUGE advantages of RunRev is that by deploying
multi-platform standalones that (should) function almost
identically people do not have to feel either hampered by
a single-platform application, nor bullied into adopting an
OS they don't like.

We all know that Linux used to be used by "geeky wierdos"
a few years back (about 10); but with the advent of visual
installers and so on installing most variants is no more
difficult than installing Mac OS X or Windows. The GNU,
KDE and XFCE windows managers have convergent
WIMP interfaces that closely resemble those fixed on
Mac OS and Win.

-------------------------------------------------------
2 slightly tedious personal anecdotes follow.
-------------------------------------------------------

In a fit of foolishness I recently bought my younger son
a Nokia mobile phone with Bluetooth. He wished to transfer
some music from a CD he owns onto his phone.

The only way this was possible was via Windows.

Not Good At All.
------------------------------------------------------

An architect friend of mine estimated that he spent about
$500 a year in trips to the PC shop to have his machine
running Windows XP "defrosted" and so forth every year.
Got extremely cheesed-off by freezing screens, data
vanishing into the great beyond, and silly anti-virus
messages being continually flashed up in the bottom
right-hand corner of his screen.

I backed up his files and put Xubuntu on his machine
along with WINE to cope with a fancy CAD program he
uses.

No crashes, no viruses and no silly trips to the PC shop!

Machine runs faster as well.


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 11:17:30 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:17:30 -0700
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <1725B103-7A3B-4A8E-A0E8-B86A148D9C05@gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
	<1725B103-7A3B-4A8E-A0E8-B86A148D9C05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B834E024-23FA-4E47-9678-4B0141BE7797@gmail.com>

I failed to mention that I have this line of code in my startup handler. Not sure if that's required or not. Might be okay to have it in preOpenStack as well.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> I believe this is the workaround we used:
> 
> 	set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
> 
> I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. It's also possible that this line of code came to me as a result of emailing support directly.
> 
> Anyway, hope it helps.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
>> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
>> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
>> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
>> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
>> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
>> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
>> problems.
>> 
>> For further details see:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
>> 
>> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
>> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
>> 
>> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
>> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
>> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
>> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
>> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
>> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
>> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
>> 
>> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
>> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
>> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
>> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
>> 
>> 
>> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
>> Sarah
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
> 
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--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 28 11:20:27 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:20:27 +0100
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <100700A0-F0DB-4BE3-B55E-BE0211487588@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
	<100700A0-F0DB-4BE3-B55E-BE0211487588@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <7159FD86-5AD0-4B06-8FC0-7ACB60F9DB81@numericable.com>

Francois,
I do not think the Hadopi law is comparable to what is happening in Australia (if I understand my English being what it is ...).
In Australia, it seems that the government wants to censor access to some sites to protect children (?!), in France, the government would allow the possibility of suspending the internet subscription in case of illegal downloads (after several warnings ...)
Am I mistaken?
Ren?

En fran?ais (c'est plus facile) :
Cher Fran?ois, 
Je ne pense pas que la loi Hadopi soit comparable ? ce qui se passe en Australie (si toutefois j'ai bien compris, mon anglais ?tant ce qu'il est...).
En Australie, il semblerait que le gouvernement veuille censurer l'acc?s de certains sites pour prot?ger les enfants (?!), en France, le gouvernement voudrait permettre la possibilit? de suspendre l'abonnement ? internet en cas de t?l?chargements ill?gaux (apr?s plusieurs avertissements...)
Me trompe-je ?
Ren?

Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 16:31, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit :

> There have been some attempts at that in France. Until now, they have been thwarted by the Constitutional Council who has asserted that the right to access the internet is part of the fundamental right to access information and (implicitly) is guaranteed by the constitution. Of course the government have laid another law on the subject; I do not know what is going to happen.
> 
> In french:
> 
> Dans leur d?cision, les sages du Palais Royal estiment que la libert? de communication et d'expression ?nonc?e dans la d?claration des droits de l'homme implique, "eu ?gard au d?veloppement g?n?ralis? d'internet", la "libert? d'acc?der au services de communication au public en ligne". Ils en tirent la conclusion que la coupure de l'abonnement ne pouvait en cons?quence incomber qu'au juge.
> 
> in english
> In their decision, the wise men at the Palais Royal have considered that the freedom of communication and of expression as stated in the declaration of human rights implies, "considering the general growth of internet", the "freedom to access online communication". As a consequence, the termination of a(n internet) subscription could only be decided by a judge.
> 
> (in this law, the internet subscription could  be terminated by a simple administrative decision, without any debate).
> 
> May this help.
> Fran?ois 
> 
> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 07:15, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
>> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
>> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
>> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
>> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
>> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
>> petition at <http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.
>> 
>> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sarah
> 
> 
> 
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan 28 11:21:23 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:21:23 +0100
Subject: AW: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09C2AC212A8B4EAD9C7A1B42C5573C1A@Kestner.local>

Hi Sarah,

One of those QCC reports was opened by me I think almost one and a half
years ago and it really is annoying that nothing happens. Selling a
professional software without a title really looks unprofessional,
especially, when minimizing to the task bar

In my case I actually experienced another issue. Not that the title was
truncated to only one char, but that the title was completely corrupted to
wired signs. My only solution was to use a title of just one single char,
which wasn't corrupted.

What it made still more complicated was, that I couldn't reproduce that bug
on none of my machines and so always had to ask other people to do testing
for me.

Perhaps we need more votings on 6235 or the owner of this thread has to
change the priority?

Thanks
Tiemo
 

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Sarah Reichelt
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 11:21
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Windows title reduced to a single character
> 
> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> problems.
> 
> For further details see:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
> 
> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
> 
> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
> 
> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
> 
> 
> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 28 11:26:47 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:26:47 -0800
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
Message-ID: <4B61BAC7.40205@fourthworld.com>

Chris Sheffield wrote:
 > I failed to mention that I have this line of code in my startup
 > handler. Not sure if that's required or not. Might be okay to have
 > it in preOpenStack as well.
 >
 > On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
 >
 >> Hi Sarah,
 >>
 >> I believe this is the workaround we used:
 >>
 >> 	set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
 >>
 >> I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might
 >> be documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this
 >> is an undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what
 >> the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. It's also
 >> possible that this line of code came to me as a result of
 >> emailing support directly.

It's in
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235>

Leading us to two questions:

1. What is revruntimebehaviour?  What happens if we set it to 5? or 100? 
  Or 4444?

2. If this is easily rectified with a one-line call to a global 
property, couldn't this be done in the engine sometime in the last four 
releases since it was reported?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 28 11:28:09 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:28:09 -0600
Subject: Export locations
In-Reply-To: <4B619335.700@gmail.com>
References: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>	<0BF1FA55-7E68-4E4B-BE05-BC5A546C7865@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<4B619335.700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61BB19.6000703@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> On 28/01/2010 15:34, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>> After I've saved a document I write a little text file to the user's 
>> preferences folder - the text file contains the last save path. Just 
>> before I put up a save box in my program, I test to see if that little 
>> text file exists. If it does, I read it in and use the path it 
>> contains as the location to save to. If it doesn't exist I pick a 
>> reasonable default (the user's documents folder). This works ok for me 
>> (on Windows and Mac OS X).
>>
>>
>>    
> Lovely job!

Or if you don't need a permanent record, just set a custom property. Or 
set the defaultfolder.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan 28 11:32:11 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:32:11 +0100
Subject: AW: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <B834E024-23FA-4E47-9678-4B0141BE7797@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <295CC4BF9D4745F8A5141ED382C1F6FB@Kestner.local>

Hi Chris,

I tried this workaround a year ago and it helped indeed on some machines,
but not on all(weired!), so I didn't used it.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Sheffield
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 17:18
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Windows title reduced to a single character
> 
> I failed to mention that I have this line of code in my startup handler.
> Not sure if that's required or not. Might be okay to have it in
> preOpenStack as well.
> 
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sarah,
> >
> > I believe this is the workaround we used:
> >
> > 	set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
> >
> > I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be
> documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an
> undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means.
> Sorry for being rather vague. It's also possible that this line of code
> came to me as a result of emailing support directly.
> >
> > Anyway, hope it helps.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> >> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> >> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> >> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> >> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> >> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> >> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> >> problems.
> >>
> >> For further details see:
> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
> >>
> >> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
> >> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
> >>
> >> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
> >> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
> >> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
> >> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
> >> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
> >> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
> >> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
> >>
> >> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
> >> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
> >> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
> >> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
> >>
> >>
> >> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
> >> Sarah
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> > --
> > Chris Sheffield
> > Read Naturally, Inc.
> > www.readnaturally.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 11:40:58 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:40:58 -0700
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
Message-ID: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>

I'm wondering if anyone has run into this problem and, if so, what the possible fix would be. We have several customers (schools) reporting a problem with our Rev-built application when trying to implement parental controls on managed student accounts. Here's what's happening. When installing the application under an admin account (we're using a Vise X installer) everything appears to work as expected. The admin can launch the app and everything works fine. Then the admin grants access to our app, via parental controls, to the managed student account. After logging in with the student account, attempting to launch the app results in the infamous bouncing icon in the dock but then the app shuts down problem. What's even stranger, though, is that after attempting this and then logging back in with the admin account and attempting to run the app again, it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by attempting to run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something system wide. The only recourse at that point is to uninstall and reinstall.

It seems like I remember somebody reporting a similar problem a while back, but I can't for the life of me find the details. Has anyone seen this? If so, is there a solution? Seems permissions-related, but as far as I can tell, permissions on the app bundle are set to what they need to be. So then I wondered if it might be some strange problem in the info.plist file in the app bundle. Could that be a possibility?

The problem seems to be happening on both Leopard and Snow Leopard systems. Another thing that's strange is that all of a sudden we're getting a lot of support calls about this. It's almost like the most recent security update from Apple has caused the problem to appear for us. Other non-Rev apps seem to be unaffected, however.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Chris


--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 28 11:41:12 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:41:12 -0600
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61BE28.9050605@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
> filtering.

I was reading about this elsewhere and I'm dumbfounded by it. As 
proposed, it is apparently to protect children. But isn't that the 
parent's job? And we all know how many false positives you get from 
so-called "filtering" software. I'm angry about this and I don't even 
live there.

The last time I checked, the ruling was still under consideration. Has 
it passed now? Is it definite?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Jan 28 11:58:12 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:58:12 +0100
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <7159FD86-5AD0-4B06-8FC0-7ACB60F9DB81@numericable.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
	<100700A0-F0DB-4BE3-B55E-BE0211487588@mines-paristech.fr>
	<7159FD86-5AD0-4B06-8FC0-7ACB60F9DB81@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <58BEFB37-6B57-430A-AAB6-5F2D02631CCC@mines-paristech.fr>

answer below Ren?'s post...
Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 17:20, Ren? Micout a ?crit :

> Francois,
> I do not think the Hadopi law is comparable to what is happening in Australia (if I understand my English being what it is ...).
> In Australia, it seems that the government wants to censor access to some sites to protect children (?!), in France, the government would allow the possibility of suspending the internet subscription in case of illegal downloads (after several warnings ...)
> Am I mistaken?
> Ren?
> 
> En fran?ais (c'est plus facile) :
> Cher Fran?ois, 
> Je ne pense pas que la loi Hadopi soit comparable ? ce qui se passe en Australie (si toutefois j'ai bien compris, mon anglais ?tant ce qu'il est...).
> En Australie, il semblerait que le gouvernement veuille censurer l'acc?s de certains sites pour prot?ger les enfants (?!), en France, le gouvernement voudrait permettre la possibilit? de suspendre l'abonnement ? internet en cas de t?l?chargements ill?gaux (apr?s plusieurs avertissements...)
> Me trompe-je ?
> Ren?
> 

Non, tu as raison...

in english now:
I think the important point is that the sprit of the human rights declaration (and hence of the constitution) is that the right to access information can be extended in its application to the access of the internet.
A side effect is that a deprivation of these human rights (such as being imprisoned) requires an action by justice.
In the case of children, they are not full right citizens; however, their rights have been declared at the UN some time ago, and, the management of these rights( i.e. parental responsibility) are probably written in the australian law. There is a wikipedia article on this 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child
In France, deprivation of rights of minors imply, if i am right (no pun), a decision by a judge for children.

To boil it down, international treaties give adults and children some rights, and depriving them of these rights should require at least a decision of justice with contradictory debate.






> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 16:31, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit :
> 
>> There have been some attempts at that in France. Until now, they have been thwarted by the Constitutional Council who has asserted that the right to access the internet is part of the fundamental right to access information and (implicitly) is guaranteed by the constitution. Of course the government have laid another law on the subject; I do not know what is going to happen.
>> 
>> In french:
>> 
>> Dans leur d?cision, les sages du Palais Royal estiment que la libert? de communication et d'expression ?nonc?e dans la d?claration des droits de l'homme implique, "eu ?gard au d?veloppement g?n?ralis? d'internet", la "libert? d'acc?der au services de communication au public en ligne". Ils en tirent la conclusion que la coupure de l'abonnement ne pouvait en cons?quence incomber qu'au juge.
>> 
>> in english
>> In their decision, the wise men at the Palais Royal have considered that the freedom of communication and of expression as stated in the declaration of human rights implies, "considering the general growth of internet", the "freedom to access online communication". As a consequence, the termination of a(n internet) subscription could only be decided by a judge.
>> 
>> (in this law, the internet subscription could  be terminated by a simple administrative decision, without any debate).
>> 
>> May this help.
>> Fran?ois 
>> 
>> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 07:15, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
>>> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
>>> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
>>> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
>>> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
>>> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
>>> petition at <http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sarah
>> 





From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan 28 12:07:17 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:17 +0100
Subject: AW: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439D3EA16122444B9154355761262582@Kestner.local>

Hi Chris,

I also had some permission issues with weird behaviours on different user
accounts.

are you sure it is only related with a parental control system, or do you
also have customers without such a control experiencing it?

Are you developing on Mac or Win?

Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Sheffield
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 17:41
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: parental control problems - Mac OS X
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has run into this problem and, if so, what the
> possible fix would be. We have several customers (schools) reporting a
> problem with our Rev-built application when trying to implement parental
> controls on managed student accounts. Here's what's happening. When
> installing the application under an admin account (we're using a Vise X
> installer) everything appears to work as expected. The admin can launch
> the app and everything works fine. Then the admin grants access to our
> app, via parental controls, to the managed student account. After logging
> in with the student account, attempting to launch the app results in the
> infamous bouncing icon in the dock but then the app shuts down problem.
> What's even stranger, though, is that after attempting this and then
> logging back in with the admin account and attempting to run the app
> again, it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by attempting
> to run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something system
> wide. The only recourse at that point is to uninstall and reinstall.
> 
> It seems like I remember somebody reporting a similar problem a while
> back, but I can't for the life of me find the details. Has anyone seen
> this? If so, is there a solution? Seems permissions-related, but as far as
> I can tell, permissions on the app bundle are set to what they need to be.
> So then I wondered if it might be some strange problem in the info.plist
> file in the app bundle. Could that be a possibility?
> 
> The problem seems to be happening on both Leopard and Snow Leopard
> systems. Another thing that's strange is that all of a sudden we're
> getting a lot of support calls about this. It's almost like the most
> recent security update from Apple has caused the problem to appear for us.
> Other non-Rev apps seem to be unaffected, however.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Chris
> 
> 
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 28 12:25:59 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:25:59 -0600
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> After logging in with the student
> account, attempting to launch the app results in the infamous
> bouncing icon in the dock but then the app shuts down problem. What's
> even stranger, though, is that after attempting this and then logging
> back in with the admin account and attempting to run the app again,
> it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by attempting to
> run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something system
> wide.

The tech queue is getting questions about this too, and I'm not sure 
what the answer is. It isn't related to your filtering program. This 
works for some:

Log into Terminal and do sudo chmod 755 on the app bundle.

You could also try throwing away the OS-generated plist file in Preferences.

Also try changing the owner of the app in Get Info.

None of these has proved to be successful for everyone though, and in 
your situation it isn't really reasonable to ask your customers to use 
Terminal.

The above is from a web page that has other suggestions too:

<http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10330759-263.html>

That page is a little old but the Terminal instructions worked in one 
case I had. I need to find out more about this.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 12:53:27 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:53:27 -0700
Subject: AW: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <439D3EA16122444B9154355761262582@Kestner.local>
References: <439D3EA16122444B9154355761262582@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <704850A8-C2B5-4980-AA77-EEF0A93DC43B@gmail.com>

As far as we know the problem only occurs when customers are using parental controls to control access to our app. If they leave our app deselected in parental controls, which I know doesn't really make sense, then things seem to work okay. It's almost like there's a conflict between file permissions and parental controls. It's very strange.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> I also had some permission issues with weird behaviours on different user
> accounts.
> 
> are you sure it is only related with a parental control system, or do you
> also have customers without such a control experiencing it?
> 
> Are you developing on Mac or Win?
> 
> Tiemo
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Sheffield
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 17:41
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: parental control problems - Mac OS X
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has run into this problem and, if so, what the
>> possible fix would be. We have several customers (schools) reporting a
>> problem with our Rev-built application when trying to implement parental
>> controls on managed student accounts. Here's what's happening. When
>> installing the application under an admin account (we're using a Vise X
>> installer) everything appears to work as expected. The admin can launch
>> the app and everything works fine. Then the admin grants access to our
>> app, via parental controls, to the managed student account. After logging
>> in with the student account, attempting to launch the app results in the
>> infamous bouncing icon in the dock but then the app shuts down problem.
>> What's even stranger, though, is that after attempting this and then
>> logging back in with the admin account and attempting to run the app
>> again, it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by attempting
>> to run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something system
>> wide. The only recourse at that point is to uninstall and reinstall.
>> 
>> It seems like I remember somebody reporting a similar problem a while
>> back, but I can't for the life of me find the details. Has anyone seen
>> this? If so, is there a solution? Seems permissions-related, but as far as
>> I can tell, permissions on the app bundle are set to what they need to be.
>> So then I wondered if it might be some strange problem in the info.plist
>> file in the app bundle. Could that be a possibility?
>> 
>> The problem seems to be happening on both Leopard and Snow Leopard
>> systems. Another thing that's strange is that all of a sudden we're
>> getting a lot of support calls about this. It's almost like the most
>> recent security update from Apple has caused the problem to appear for us.
>> Other non-Rev apps seem to be unaffected, however.
>> 
>> Thanks for any suggestions,
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Read Naturally, Inc.
>> www.readnaturally.com
>> 
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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www.readnaturally.com



From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 12:54:28 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:54:28 -0700
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
	<4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D5CF0D36-6133-40F4-8C80-739D704DD010@gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestions, Jacque. I'll forward this info to our support team.

Chris


On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>> After logging in with the student
>> account, attempting to launch the app results in the infamous
>> bouncing icon in the dock but then the app shuts down problem. What's
>> even stranger, though, is that after attempting this and then logging
>> back in with the admin account and attempting to run the app again,
>> it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by attempting to
>> run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something system
>> wide.
> 
> The tech queue is getting questions about this too, and I'm not sure what the answer is. It isn't related to your filtering program. This works for some:
> 
> Log into Terminal and do sudo chmod 755 on the app bundle.
> 
> You could also try throwing away the OS-generated plist file in Preferences.
> 
> Also try changing the owner of the app in Get Info.
> 
> None of these has proved to be successful for everyone though, and in your situation it isn't really reasonable to ask your customers to use Terminal.
> 
> The above is from a web page that has other suggestions too:
> 
> <http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10330759-263.html>
> 
> That page is a little old but the Terminal instructions worked in one case I had. I need to find out more about this.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 28 13:11:32 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:11:32 -0800
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>
References: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>

The shell is your friend.

Check out textutil  in the shell.  (man textutil)

Mac OSX 10.4. and onward has document conversion routines built into the
system. RTF, HTML, DOC, DOCX, WEBARCHIVE, ODT are some of the formats.

Someone (please identify one's self in one's demo stacks!) has uploaded to
REV ONLINE a very simple stack that demonstrates conversion to-from various
text formats using shell calls. However, REV ONLINE,  one of the most
difficult to navigate and unresponsive parts of the IDE, is completely down
today.  Contact me offline if you really need the stack, the author has
indicated he's giving it freely. However, the calls are so simple and well
documented that it could be a good exercise in getting a shell call to work
for you, just using the documentation.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


On 27 January 2010 20:44, <dr.alistair at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Curry,
>
> I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I am
> currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am
> working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really useful
> tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm interested in
> that too.
>
> Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are writing the
> library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to.
>
> cheers
>
> Alistair Campbell
> dr.alistair at gmail.com
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 28 13:34:28 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:34:28 -0200
Subject: [BUG] Stack opens in 4.0-dp-4 but not in 4.0-rc-1 or 4.0-gm-1 or 
	4.5-dp-1
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001281034u35243573jac4ea68b418d01a7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

I have a stack application that opens fine in 4.0-dp-4 but it refuses to
open saying it is corrupted in the following versions:

4.0-rc-1
4.0-gm-1
4.5-dp-1

It works fine in 4.0-dp-4 though. Any clue, how we ring support on this one?
It appears to be some regression or something.

Cheers
andre

-- 
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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 13:47:01 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:47:01 -0700
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
	<4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>

Jacque,

Here's some more info from our end. Not sure if everyone is experiencing this same behavior or not, but in our case, the executable inside the app bundle is actually getting damaged. We compared an app that had been launched with parental controls enabled for it and one that hadn't, and the one that had was about 1 MB smaller. When trying to launch the executable directly from Terminal, we get a file read error. So in this case, it looks like no amount of messing with permissions is going to fix the problem. The file is toast at that point.

Another interesting tidbit of information is that the damage only seems to occur on Intel machines. On a PPC machine, we still have a problem launching the app when parental controls are enabled, but all we have to do to fix it is deselect the app in parental controls. On an Intel machine, this does not work. The app is built as a universal binary. We're going to try building only for Intel just to see if there's any difference.

Again, this seems to only happen with Rev-built apps. Not sure why.

Chris


On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>> After logging in with the student
>> account, attempting to launch the app results in the infamous
>> bouncing icon in the dock but then the app shuts down problem. What's
>> even stranger, though, is that after attempting this and then logging
>> back in with the admin account and attempting to run the app again,
>> it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by attempting to
>> run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something system
>> wide.
> 
> The tech queue is getting questions about this too, and I'm not sure what the answer is. It isn't related to your filtering program. This works for some:
> 
> Log into Terminal and do sudo chmod 755 on the app bundle.
> 
> You could also try throwing away the OS-generated plist file in Preferences.
> 
> Also try changing the owner of the app in Get Info.
> 
> None of these has proved to be successful for everyone though, and in your situation it isn't really reasonable to ask your customers to use Terminal.
> 
> The above is from a web page that has other suggestions too:
> 
> <http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10330759-263.html>
> 
> That page is a little old but the Terminal instructions worked in one case I had. I need to find out more about this.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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www.readnaturally.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 13:49:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:49:43 +0200
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <4B61BE28.9050605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B61BE28.9050605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B61DC47.6090101@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 18:41, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
>> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
>> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
>> filtering.
>
> I was reading about this elsewhere and I'm dumbfounded by it. As 
> proposed, it is apparently to protect children. But isn't that the 
> parent's job? 

Oh, you "awful" right-winger, you . . .  :)

We now live in an age where nobody accepts responsibility for anything 
any more.
In Britain there is an increasing raft of draconian laws going in the 
same direction:

My father, a retired school teacher of many years, had to be vetted by 
the police
because he is in charge of a church bell-ringing team and one of the 
bell-ringers
is 17 years old (a boy) in case he had a past of child-molestation!!!

Presumably the 17 year old is perfectly capable of looking after himself 
without
my father having to go through some invasive, nosey, degrading police
investigation?

The buzz phrase is "They should do something about it."

and "They" means the increasingly nanny, intrusive state that ALWAYS 
knows best.

I live in Bulgaria, and as such my children ahev only my wife and myself 
to protect
them against the evils lurking out there - and, oddly enough, they are 
perfectly OK!

> And we all know how many false positives you get from so-called 
> "filtering" software. I'm angry about this and I don't even live there.

Frankly, all those censoring laws would just make me want to look at 
"filthy pictures" just to
see what all the fuss was about. Speaking as a man who between the ages 
of 16 and 20 had my
fair share of magazines containing photos of women in various stages of 
undress and in
'artistic' poses and really being none the worse for it (although, to be 
fair, I did grow out of that
sort thing rather than becoming obsessed and 'pervy') I cannot see what 
the fuss is all about.
Occasionally I ran up against what perhaps should be termed "the 
zoological department", and
shied away extremely quickly - because I, like 99% of people, have 
inbuilt filters - and I don't
need so nasty little man in London/Canberra/wherever doing the job for me.

>
> The last time I checked, the ruling was still under consideration. Has 
> it passed now? Is it definite?
>



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 14:26:45 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:26:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
References: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1264706805653-1393066.post@n4.nabble.com>


I see no evidence that, for Rev as presently distributed, supporting multiple
distros is even a small part of the problem.  The problem is not that rev
Browser fails to work on Slitaz.  It is that it doesn't exist.  The problem
with revPrintField is common to all distros that I have tried.  The failure
of multiple desktops to work is common to all desktops and distros.

In fact, distros differ rather little at the level of Rev.  Rev does not use
an installer.  You decompress and run.  Put the uncompressed folder wherever
you want.  So its immaterial how menus work differently.  I've never found
Rev to fail to work, or work differently, on any distro I've tried,
including DSL and Slitaz.

I think it quite understandable that Rev might drop Linux in favor of
mobile.  That would be fine and if its commercially sensible, by all means,
people like me will move to Python, and there are probably no professional
Linux developers using it full time anyway.  

What is not understandable is to have three platforms, nominally, but not to
support one of them at a level where you have a viable professional
platform.  That makes no sense.
-- 
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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 14:31:14 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:31:14 -0700
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
	<4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F4589EC-1EF5-45DA-BAF5-54BC3FF85C48@gmail.com>

One more strange piece of information.

After allowing our app to be run through Parental Controls, a "_CodeSignature" folder gets created inside the app bundle in the Contents folder. Inside this is a CodeResources folder, which appears to be a plist-style file, except no .plist extension on it. It appears to list the icon files in the Resources folder, as well as a few other things that I'm not sure what they mean. Just thought I'd' mention that if it helps.

Is it time to file a bug report do you think? The bad thing is, I'm still not really convinced it's a Revolution problem. But if it is, this is a very serious issue that needs to get fixed asap if it still exists in the current version of Rev. I believe I used Rev 3.0 when I built this particular standalone. I may try a newer version just to see.

Chris


On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Jacque,
> 
> Here's some more info from our end. Not sure if everyone is experiencing this same behavior or not, but in our case, the executable inside the app bundle is actually getting damaged. We compared an app that had been launched with parental controls enabled for it and one that hadn't, and the one that had was about 1 MB smaller. When trying to launch the executable directly from Terminal, we get a file read error. So in this case, it looks like no amount of messing with permissions is going to fix the problem. The file is toast at that point.
> 
> Another interesting tidbit of information is that the damage only seems to occur on Intel machines. On a PPC machine, we still have a problem launching the app when parental controls are enabled, but all we have to do to fix it is deselect the app in parental controls. On an Intel machine, this does not work. The app is built as a universal binary. We're going to try building only for Intel just to see if there's any difference.
> 
> Again, this seems to only happen with Rev-built apps. Not sure why.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> 

--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Jan 28 14:33:15 2010
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:33:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Australian internet blackout
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001272357m622647baj455f69d91746e134@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001272215xa066f6vd1135f30aa72875c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d71001272357m622647baj455f69d91746e134@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1001281132380.14460@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Stephen,

Yes, the EFF is aware of the situation:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/fighting-internet-censorship-australia

Judy

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, stephen barncard wrote:

> Sarah, that's a troubling issue. Has the EFF "Electronic Frontier
> Foundation" gotten involved? I know the founder John Barlow personally from
> my Grateful Dead days....


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 28 14:43:57 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:43:57 -0600
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>	<4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61E8FD.80303@hyperactivesw.com>

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> Jacque,
> 
> Here's some more info from our end. Not sure if everyone is
> experiencing this same behavior or not, but in our case, the
> executable inside the app bundle is actually getting damaged. We
> compared an app that had been launched with parental controls enabled
> for it and one that hadn't, and the one that had was about 1 MB
> smaller. When trying to launch the executable directly from Terminal,
> we get a file read error. So in this case, it looks like no amount of
> messing with permissions is going to fix the problem. The file is
> toast at that point.

Well that would certainly explain it.

> 
> Another interesting tidbit of information is that the damage only
> seems to occur on Intel machines. On a PPC machine, we still have a
> problem launching the app when parental controls are enabled, but all
> we have to do to fix it is deselect the app in parental controls. On
> an Intel machine, this does not work. The app is built as a universal
> binary. We're going to try building only for Intel just to see if
> there's any difference.

Sounds like it may be related to a comment that was posted to the web 
page I mentioned:

"With the transition to Intel-compatible software a new wrinkle has 
developed. Specifically a "universal" binary will only load on Mac OS X 
version 10.3.9 for PowerPC-based Macs and 10.4.x for Intel-based Macs.

In some cases the "universal" binary may only load on Mac OS X 10.4 and 
newer on PowerPC-based Macs. No error message will appear and no error 
entry may appear in the Console - it simply won't launch."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 28 14:48:54 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:48:54 -0600
Subject: [BUG] Stack opens in 4.0-dp-4 but not in 4.0-rc-1 or 4.0-gm-1
 or 	4.5-dp-1
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001281034u35243573jac4ea68b418d01a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a11001281034u35243573jac4ea68b418d01a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61EA26.20402@hyperactivesw.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I have a stack application that opens fine in 4.0-dp-4 but it refuses to
> open saying it is corrupted in the following versions:
> 
> 4.0-rc-1
> 4.0-gm-1
> 4.5-dp-1
> 
> It works fine in 4.0-dp-4 though. Any clue, how we ring support on this one?
> It appears to be some regression or something.

The fastest way is to submit to the QCC and mark it "critical".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 14:49:30 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:49:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com> <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1264708170690-1393654.post@n4.nabble.com>


Well, I don't share Richard's admiration for either Gnome or Ubuntu -
especially not for Ubuntu.  And not for Gnome in its increasing incarnation
of the school of taking out all the useful functionality in order to make it
easier to use.   But the question is, if you think it is taking excessive
work to deliver Rev in a distribution agnostic way, what work is that
exactly?  If you think it should only run on Ubuntu, what exactly would be
done differently?

I think you would have to do stuff deliberately to make it not run on all
distros.  What applications can you think of that are distribution specific
and will not run on others than the chosen one?  Every app I have ever run
has worked pretty much the same on any distro I've been using, and we are
talking lots - Mandriva in most releases, Slitaz, DSL, Slackware and its
derivatives including Zenwalk, Slax.  Early versions of Red Hat, late
versions of Fedora.  Suse, in early and mid versions.  

The thing you need to watch out for is fonts, and window managers/ desktops. 
But every other application for Linux manages this, its a matter of doing
things by the book.  I run Gnome and KDE apps from Fluxbox or OpenBox, it is
just not an issue.

People talk about Linux proliferating distros.  Yes, it has.  But from the
point of view of applications that are not integrated into the repositories,
like Rev, that is just irrelevant.

The issue for Rev is, does it want to be a professional developer's tool on
Linux, or does it want to be a hobbyist or amateur's tool, on account of the
compromises using it on Linux requires.  That's the choice, and you can't
evade it.  

Discussion of which distros to support is a complete distraction.  Its not
the issue.
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 28 14:50:33 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:50:33 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <37EBC4C1-CE82-40CE-8CE1-D486A85F93B8@numericable.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<37EBC4C1-CE82-40CE-8CE1-D486A85F93B8@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>

On Jan 28, 2010, at 2:51 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> "It's basically a big iPhone without the phone" > then it is a BIG iPod Touch... ;-)

Honestly, does anyone seriously watch video, like movies and tv shows on their iTouch? Really?? You could look at this from the other angle: This is what the iTouch SHOULD have been all along. But from that perspective, I think it's pricey. 

We will have to see how inventive developers get with the apps. Like the iPhone, without the apps it is just another smart phone with an iPod built in. Fancy, but not revolutionary. But WITH the apps it becomes an order of magnitude cooler. Same thing with the iPad methinks. If developers can really get innovative with the multitouch gestures, I think we will see some amazing apps in 6 months. 

The only other thing I can think of that makes me hesitate, is how do I get things in and out of it? Looks so far like it will only sync via your computer. That is going to be a BIG bummer, as anyone with an Apple laptop is not going to need one of these, and as Steve said at the beginning of the keynote, they sell considerably more laptops that desktops now. 

But if the touch screen interface really takes off, I think we will see a full blown laptop with a touch screen interface within 2 years. 

Bob





From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu Jan 28 15:04:04 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:04:04 -1000
Subject: [ANN] ListMagic 1.1.4 Maintenance update
Message-ID: <000e01caa055$0b3816d0$21a84470$@com>

Due to a recently reported problem where specifying either the column number
or column name of which column of a list to search with LMFind caused
incorrect results, ListMagic 1.1.4 Maintenance release has been posted. This
release:

- Corrects the issue with specifying a column number or name to restrict a
search using LMFind to only that column.
- Adds the ability to specify the text of the header and/or footer line of a
printed ListMagic report.
- Has some miscellaneous code changes that don't translate into new features
just yet. ;-)

To obtain the update:

- Launch your existing copy of ListMagic (registered or unlimited trial).
- The *Check for updates* button on the bottom left of the default Action
tab should turn red.
- Click on the red "Check for updates" and follow the prompts to download
ListMagic 1.1.4

To update your projects:

ListMagic is designed to automatically update your existing projects with
the latest version of ListMagic. To do this:

- Important! Back up your project first!
- Launch your project.
- Launch ListMagic 1.1.4.
- Click on the "Install or modify a widget" button on the bottom of the
Installation tab of ListMagic.
- Then, without making any changes, click the "Modify" button towards the
bottom of the Wizard. That's it!

ListMagic will automatically recognize that your project was built with an
earlier version of ListMagic and notify you that it is going to find and
update all ListMagic gadgets on every card of every stack of your project as
well as update its library. Click OK and, when it's done, don't forget to
SAVE your project!

A significant feature enhancement update will be coming out soon. When it
does, it will be the exact same steps as above to add the new features to
projects you have already built with the existing ListMagic. Enjoy!

Please report any issues with ListMagic to support at SoSmartSoftware.com or
directly to me off-list. Please put ListMagic somewhere in the subject line.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini







From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 15:04:29 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:04:29 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>	<37EBC4C1-CE82-40CE-8CE1-D486A85F93B8@numericable.com>
	<9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4B61EDCD.8070403@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 21:50, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> <snip>
> But if the touch screen interface really takes off, I think we will see a full blown laptop with a touch screen interface within 2 years.
>
>    

Probably Apple have misfired and a "full blown laptop with a touch 
screen interface" is what they should
have been rolling out right now.

Well, the market will let us know soon enough . . . and it is the 
market, despite that cheap sign-post thing
with "Liberal Arts" splashed all over it.

A touch screen laptop with all the connectors and a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drive 
running a modded Mac OS X
would sell like hotcakes.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 28 15:09:08 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:09:08 -0800
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone has run into this problem and, if so, what the
> possible fix would be. We have several customers (schools) reporting a problem
> with our Rev-built application when trying to implement parental controls on
> managed student accounts. Here's what's happening. When installing the
> application under an admin account (we're using a Vise X installer) everything
> appears to work as expected. The admin can launch the app and everything works
> fine. Then the admin grants access to our app, via parental controls, to the
> managed student account. After logging in with the student account, attempting
> to launch the app results in the infamous bouncing icon in the dock but then
> the app shuts down problem. What's even stranger, though, is that after
> attempting this and then logging back in with the admin account and attempting
> to run the app again, it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by
> attempting to run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something
> system wide. The only recourse at that point is to uninstall and reinstall.

Hi Chris:

I don't know if this will work for Rev apps or not, but I have fought for
years with Parental Controls on kids' machines and have done the following
to get apps to launch.  Apologies if any of this is basic knowledge for you.

1) As admin under System Preferences, look in the user's account and see if
applications are enabled on an item-by-item basis.  If yes, the checkbox for
your app needs to be enabled.

2) After installing an application as admin, I would get info on the app's
folder bundle (bundle folder?) and change the "You can:" pulldown under
Ownership and Permissions to read/write.  I don't know if this is acceptable
in your situation, but it solved every problem install I had with Parental
Controls and I now do this out of habit.

I do the above on a couple of old eMac systems running (I believe) OS X 10.4
or thereabouts.  I'm not sure if Parental Controls on more recent versions
of the OS works better, or is more intelligent.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 15:25:03 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:25:03 +0200
Subject: Export locations
In-Reply-To: <4B61BB19.6000703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B6190D7.50509@gmail.com>	<0BF1FA55-7E68-4E4B-BE05-BC5A546C7865@liverpool.ac.uk>	<4B619335.700@gmail.com>
	<4B61BB19.6000703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B61F29F.6040106@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 18:28, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Or if you don't need a permanent record, just set a custom property. 
> Or set the defaultfolder.
>
Much much better than dumping text documents all over other people's 
data storage!

Thank you so much.

However, being, either a slow learner, or, just forgetful, I had a tough 
time setting the defaultFolder
and would like to share (why do I dislike the word 'share' so much?) my 
code so nobody else wastes 20
minutes just for this:

on mouseUp
   ask file "Choose where you wish to export your text"
   if the result = "cancel"
   then exit mouseUp
   else
      put the RTFtext of fld "TEKST" into url("file:" & it & ".rtf")
--------------------------------------------------------------
      set the itemDelimiter to slash
      set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of the longFilePath of it
--------------------------------------------------------------
      end if
end mouseUp

the 2 lines enclosed in lines are lifted directly from the RunRev 4 
documentation
comments - from someone who remains anonymous (and, whoever you are, Big
Big Thanks from me).


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 15:34:01 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:34:01 +0200
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B61F4B9.90805@gmail.com>

On 28/01/2010 22:09, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Chris Sheffield wrote:
>
>    
>> I'm wondering if anyone has run into this problem and, if so, what the
>> possible fix would be. We have several customers (schools) reporting a problem
>> with our Rev-built application when trying to implement parental controls on
>> managed student accounts. Here's what's happening. When installing the
>> application under an admin account (we're using a Vise X installer) everything
>> appears to work as expected. The admin can launch the app and everything works
>> fine. Then the admin grants access to our app, via parental controls, to the
>> managed student account. After logging in with the student account, attempting
>> to launch the app results in the infamous bouncing icon in the dock but then
>> the app shuts down problem. What's even stranger, though, is that after
>> attempting this and then logging back in with the admin account and attempting
>> to run the app again, it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by
>> attempting to run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something
>> system wide. The only recourse at that point is to uninstall and reinstall.
>>      
>    
Donkey's years ago (well, about 7) at the University of St Andrews we 
were running a
netboot from an image saved on a server with all the settings, 
limitations, etc. in place.

All the programs we wanted students to have access were on the image and 
"at bedtime"
everything got cleared away. The reason for this was that we had a lot 
of students from
the Far-East who used to covertly install various Chinese/Japanese chat 
systems so they
could post home to Mum on the sly when they were meant to be working on 
their
English Grammar - as policing them constantly was both a bother and 
rather humiliating
for both lab-techs and students, any software installed by students was 
simply flushed
away at the end of a boot-session. Of course we could have so crippled 
the netboot image
that nothing whatsoever could be installed.

At that time we were running 2 RunRev standalones (admittedly authored 
on 2.0.1 not 4.0.0)
that were wrapped up inside the netboot image, and we never had any 
problems with them at all.

The netboot image had NO admin account as it had been set up with a 
crippled account and activated
root user which, once the image was set up, was deactivated.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 15:50:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:50:21 +0200
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4B61F88D.3040205@gmail.com>

Awfully sorry, should have given you a few references at the end of my 
previous reply:

http://www.macgeekery.com/hacks/hardware/make_any_mac_a_netboot_server

sorry only one; but should suffice.




From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 16:05:02 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:05:02 -0700
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C7872EE4.4784C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <3A3D4A6B-A474-48E1-85C5-E68FCFC114A8@gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestions Scott. I think we're already doing the permissions part, as our installer is taking care of that. But I will verify.

As for selecting our app in Parental Controls, that part is also being done. What's strange is, the corruption does not occur *until* we try to run the app under a managed account. It's not the process of selecting the app in Parental Controls. As soon as you try to launch it under the managed student account, the launch fails and the corruption occurs. Very, very weird behavior.

Chris

On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Chris Sheffield wrote:
> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has run into this problem and, if so, what the
>> possible fix would be. We have several customers (schools) reporting a problem
>> with our Rev-built application when trying to implement parental controls on
>> managed student accounts. Here's what's happening. When installing the
>> application under an admin account (we're using a Vise X installer) everything
>> appears to work as expected. The admin can launch the app and everything works
>> fine. Then the admin grants access to our app, via parental controls, to the
>> managed student account. After logging in with the student account, attempting
>> to launch the app results in the infamous bouncing icon in the dock but then
>> the app shuts down problem. What's even stranger, though, is that after
>> attempting this and then logging back in with the admin account and attempting
>> to run the app again, it doesn't work for the admin anymore. So it's like by
>> attempting to run the app with a managed account, it is breaking something
>> system wide. The only recourse at that point is to uninstall and reinstall.
> 
> Hi Chris:
> 
> I don't know if this will work for Rev apps or not, but I have fought for
> years with Parental Controls on kids' machines and have done the following
> to get apps to launch.  Apologies if any of this is basic knowledge for you.
> 
> 1) As admin under System Preferences, look in the user's account and see if
> applications are enabled on an item-by-item basis.  If yes, the checkbox for
> your app needs to be enabled.
> 
> 2) After installing an application as admin, I would get info on the app's
> folder bundle (bundle folder?) and change the "You can:" pulldown under
> Ownership and Permissions to read/write.  I don't know if this is acceptable
> in your situation, but it solved every problem install I had with Parental
> Controls and I now do this out of habit.
> 
> I do the above on a couple of old eMac systems running (I believe) OS X 10.4
> or thereabouts.  I'm not sure if Parental Controls on more recent versions
> of the OS works better, or is more intelligent.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Jan 28 16:52:11 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:52:11 +0100
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>

rev online is back. The stack is "Textutil" in the "Text" category. Works really cool.... I tested Doc (basic text) and webarchive import. The text is there. The links in the webarchive are lost, but h**l, it's a freebie!

Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 19:11, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> The shell is your friend.
> 
> Check out textutil  in the shell.  (man textutil)
> 
> Mac OSX 10.4. and onward has document conversion routines built into the
> system. RTF, HTML, DOC, DOCX, WEBARCHIVE, ODT are some of the formats.
> 
> Someone (please identify one's self in one's demo stacks!) has uploaded to
> REV ONLINE a very simple stack that demonstrates conversion to-from various
> text formats using shell calls. However, REV ONLINE,  one of the most
> difficult to navigate and unresponsive parts of the IDE, is completely down
> today.  Contact me offline if you really need the stack, the author has
> indicated he's giving it freely. However, the calls are so simple and well
> documented that it could be a good exercise in getting a shell call to work
> for you, just using the documentation.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> 
> 
> On 27 January 2010 20:44, <dr.alistair at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Curry,
>> 
>> I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I am
>> currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am
>> working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really useful
>> tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm interested in
>> that too.
>> 
>> Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are writing the
>> library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to.
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> Alistair Campbell
>> dr.alistair at gmail.com
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Jan 28 17:00:28 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:00:28 +0100
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <2FFA702C-FF21-48F7-B4E1-A25CDC79518C@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 22:52, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit :

> rev online is back. The stack is "Textutil" in the "Text" category. Works really cool.... I tested Doc (basic text) and webarchive import. The text is there. The links in the webarchive are lost, but h**l, it's a freebie!
> 
> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 19:11, stephen barncard a ?crit :
> 
>> The shell is your friend.
>> 
>> Check out textutil  in the shell.  (man textutil)

BTW, if you don't like the terminal for man usage, there is man viewer
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/manviewer.html

>> 
>> Mac OSX 10.4. and onward has document conversion routines built into the
>> system. RTF, HTML, DOC, DOCX, WEBARCHIVE, ODT are some of the formats.
>> 
>> Someone (please identify one's self in one's demo stacks!) has uploaded to
>> REV ONLINE a very simple stack that demonstrates conversion to-from various
>> text formats using shell calls. However, REV ONLINE,  one of the most
>> difficult to navigate and unresponsive parts of the IDE, is completely down
>> today.  Contact me offline if you really need the stack, the author has
>> indicated he's giving it freely. However, the calls are so simple and well
>> documented that it could be a good exercise in getting a shell call to work
>> for you, just using the documentation.
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 January 2010 20:44, <dr.alistair at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Curry,
>>> 
>>> I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I am
>>> currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am
>>> working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really useful
>>> tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm interested in
>>> that too.
>>> 
>>> Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are writing the
>>> library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to.
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> 
>>> Alistair Campbell
>>> dr.alistair at gmail.com





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 17:03:52 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:03:52 +1000
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
	<4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001281403k7a748347wc024d99d6207062c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jacque,
>
> Here's some more info from our end. Not sure if everyone is experiencing this same behavior or not, but in our case, the executable inside the app bundle is actually getting damaged. We compared an app that had been launched with parental controls enabled for it and one that hadn't, and the one that had was about 1 MB smaller. When trying to launch the executable directly from Terminal, we get a file read error. So in this case, it looks like no amount of messing with permissions is going to fix the problem. The file is toast at that point.


Is your app trying to write a file, being denied permission, so
over-writing the executable instead?
I encountered this with an app that was writing a preferences file
with the same name as the executable. When the path was set
incorrectly, the executable got replaced.

Cheers,
Sarah


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 17:13:29 2010
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:13:29 -0700
Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281403k7a748347wc024d99d6207062c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD7B6A7F-2F7E-479B-8D23-D1D34F61076C@gmail.com>
	<4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281403k7a748347wc024d99d6207062c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A6812D4-FD03-4713-8042-D2DA5F8E3965@gmail.com>

Honestly, I wish that were the case, but I don't think so. This is the same build of our app that has been running for nearly a year now (updated last April). We've had no reports of this problem until just recently, which makes me think some security update changed something in parental controls that's causing this problem. Again, why it only happens on Rev-built apps, I don't know.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jacque,
>> 
>> Here's some more info from our end. Not sure if everyone is experiencing this same behavior or not, but in our case, the executable inside the app bundle is actually getting damaged. We compared an app that had been launched with parental controls enabled for it and one that hadn't, and the one that had was about 1 MB smaller. When trying to launch the executable directly from Terminal, we get a file read error. So in this case, it looks like no amount of messing with permissions is going to fix the problem. The file is toast at that point.
> 
> 
> Is your app trying to write a file, being denied permission, so
> over-writing the executable instead?
> I encountered this with an app that was writing a preferences file
> with the same name as the executable. When the path was set
> incorrectly, the executable got replaced.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan 28 18:10:29 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:10:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <2FFA702C-FF21-48F7-B4E1-A25CDC79518C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <51925.76.215.136.122.1264479020.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>
	<e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>
	<2FFA702C-FF21-48F7-B4E1-A25CDC79518C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <1264720229119-1401362.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Fran?ois,
in RevOnline (3.5 and up)  there is a very nice little stack "Shell Command
Help" by Phil Davis which gives you the man (help) pages for any shell
command you want the man for.
regards
Bernd
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:41:46 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:41:46 +1000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>

>> Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
>> logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
>> with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
>> source and mainly free software.
>
> Those of use who have been waiting for (and paying for) parity between
> Linux and OS X thank you for your support :-)
>
> It seems odd to me that on the day after the iPad is announced you
> would suggest that RunRev ditch further development of the Linux
> version, when RunRev have already announced RevMobile which would
> supports the iPhone, Windows Mobile, and Maemo. ?It sounds like you
> are not confident that RunRev can manage to produce a cross-platform
> tool for more than two platforms. ?Hey, the vast majority of people
> use windows (which has much greater backwards compatibility than
> Apple's OS), so why not just ditch OS X and concentrate on Windows?
> Then you'd perhaps get an idea of how frustrated those of use wanting
> feature parity in Linux feel.


I understand your frustration as there have been many complaints about
the Linux version on this list over the years.Based on the feedback, I
feel sure that if I was compelled to develop on a Linux system, I
would have chosen a different development system by now.

Similarly, if RunRev decided to drop or reduce support for the Mac, I
would change to a different development system.

They are a commercial company and I expect them to do what is best for
their own interests. It seems that they are not able to maintain
parity in the Linux version, so without meaning any lack of support
for you personally, or for any other users of the Linux version, I
think RunRev needs to make more of an effort to keep the Linux version
in line with the others, or it should be dropped completely.

However this is purely my opinion. I have nothing to do with RunRev
and I have no idea of the breakdown of their user base.

Regards,
Sarah


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:54:19 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:54:19 +0100
Subject: DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove
In-Reply-To: <D8D10E44-B3E7-4538-BACC-D56ECA1CBE35@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<D8D10E44-B3E7-4538-BACC-D56ECA1CBE35@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001281554p712a5df9yc4feb33b247a135c@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/28 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>:

> You need to specify that the field can accept the drop. Try adding the
> following code to the field script after commenting out the
> dgTrackDragReorder code:
>
> on dragEnter
> ? ?if ?line 1 of the dragData["private"] is "MyData" then
> ? ? ? ?set the dragAction to "copy"
> ? ?end if
> end dragEnter
>
> on dragDrop
> ? ?put line 2 of the dragData["private"] into me
> end dragDrop
>
> Does that work?
>

Really simple!
It seems that I've drunk more coffee as needed. Apologies for my
clumsy attempt to help.

I have to study the datagrid more seriously ;)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:55:19 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:55:19 +1000
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>> How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time,
>> effort and limited
>> resources continuing development of a Linux version ?
>
> Count me among them.

In the "iPadding around" thread, you seemed to be in support of RunRev
continuing Linux development.
But here you say you think they are wasting their time.

Confused.....


> When we look at where Linux is being used I see enormous opportunities for
> specialized apps, even commercial ones, of the vertical sort Rev is ideally
> suited for.

That's interesting. I have never come across any commercial market for
Linux apps of the sort that I thought I could create using Rev.


> Lest we forget, where would we be without publicly-funded software? ?OS X is
> BSD at its core, created at publicly-funded UC Berkeley. ?And the first web
> browser, Mosaic, which spawned Navigator and ultimately Mozilla's Firefox,
> began life at the publicly-funded NCSA.


I certainly don't expect Linux to go away, but I just don't think it
fits well with RunRev. We can't create a browser or an operating
system in revTalk.

So I am with Richard's statement above (which may not say what he
meant it to say) and you can also count me among the people who think
RunRev's resources would be better allocated elsewhere.

I also feel that it would be more honest of them to admit that Linux
is a second-class citizen in the Rev world and does not have all the
features of the other platforms. Apart from one post by Richard, every
post that I can remember about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is
not good for RunRev and not fair to their customers.

Regards,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:56:33 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:56:33 +1000
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <1725B103-7A3B-4A8E-A0E8-B86A148D9C05@gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
	<1725B103-7A3B-4A8E-A0E8-B86A148D9C05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001281556x4ecd8cechf90651a2ccac55cc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Chris, this was in one of the bug reports and I did try in, but
not in a startup handler, so I'll give it a go there.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> I believe this is the workaround we used:
>
> ? ? ? ?set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
>
> I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. It's also possible that this line of code came to me as a result of emailing support directly.
>
> Anyway, hope it helps.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
>> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
>> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
>> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
>> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
>> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
>> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
>> problems.
>>
>> For further details see:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
>>
>> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
>> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
>>
>> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
>> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
>> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
>> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
>> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
>> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
>> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
>>
>> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
>> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
>> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
>> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
>>
>>
>> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
>> Sarah
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:59:36 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:59:36 +1000
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <C786A8D3.477FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
	<C786A8D3.477FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001281559m35724029r20b5f76b526204bf@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
>> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
>> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
>> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
>> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
>> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
>> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
>> problems.
>
> Sarah, I was never able to find a workaround for this. ?I was able to get
> past it by using a custom titlebar (this was by design for the project, so
> it worked out OK) but this is by no means a solution.
>
> The one hack that was proposed which seemed to have some merit was to
> display the video in a separate decoration-less palette stack at the
> intended player location above the main stack. ?I believe on Windows the
> moveStack message is sent while dragging a standard window, so you could
> account for users dragging the main stack and reposition the video stack
> simultaneously. ?Of course, minimizing the main stack will present some
> challenges. ? Had I needed to deliver my app with standard system
> decorations, I probably would have gone this route.
>
> I haven't had a chance to play with Rev 4.5 but if the title issue is still
> present, I fully agree that this a major issue and needs to be dealt with
> ASAP. ?I don't see how anyone can take an app seriously that can't even
> display its own name properly.


Thanks Scott.

The player is actually just a music player and it is off-screen, so
maybe I will be able to move it into an invisible sub-stack.

And yes, I can confirm that the issue definitely still exists in Rev
4.5.0-dp-1 at least under Windows XP. This app that I am working on
cannot be released for Windows in it's current state. It may be only
cosmetic, but it looks very bad.

Cheers,
Sarah


From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 28 19:06:31 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:06:31 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>

I side with Sarah. Linux is and has always been faced with that odd paradox of any OS, and that is how to get enough developers on board developing for an OS that may or may not succeed. People will not use an OS that doesn't have the apps they need. Developers will not develop for an OS that doesn't have a substantial user base. How do you pull that situation up by the bootstraps?

Apple worked because what they offered at first was a whole new animal. A graphical operating system that no one else had. Also they wrote their own apps initially to make the computer at least basically viable, until enough people bought one to pique the interest of developers. 

Windows worked because they already had a HUGE user base carrying over from MSDOS and the corporate world. Any developer would slobber all over himself now to get in on the ground floor of that goldmine. 

Linux (IMHO) was (at least initially) like the odd brother who wants to tag along, but no one really has a use for. No one wants to pick him for their team because he can't play sports very well yet. He never really learns to play sports very well because no one ever picks him. Oh sure he grew up to be a dam good molecular biologist, but he still can't hit a baseball to save his life. And most people don't need a molecular biologist. (I'm sure I've offended every molecular biologist on the list now <sigh>)

My point is that unless LINUX has something UNIQUE to offer the mass of users in the computing world (aside from the fact that it makes a great server OS for some things), it's never going to really get into the client computing game. It's always going to be the "me too" OS. And please don't make me mention BeOS! 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>>> Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
>>> logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
>>> with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
>>> source and mainly free software.
>> 
>> Those of use who have been waiting for (and paying for) parity between
>> Linux and OS X thank you for your support :-)
>> 
>> It seems odd to me that on the day after the iPad is announced you
>> would suggest that RunRev ditch further development of the Linux
>> version, when RunRev have already announced RevMobile which would
>> supports the iPhone, Windows Mobile, and Maemo.  It sounds like you
>> are not confident that RunRev can manage to produce a cross-platform
>> tool for more than two platforms.  Hey, the vast majority of people
>> use windows (which has much greater backwards compatibility than
>> Apple's OS), so why not just ditch OS X and concentrate on Windows?
>> Then you'd perhaps get an idea of how frustrated those of use wanting
>> feature parity in Linux feel.
> 
> 
> I understand your frustration as there have been many complaints about
> the Linux version on this list over the years.Based on the feedback, I
> feel sure that if I was compelled to develop on a Linux system, I
> would have chosen a different development system by now.
> 
> Similarly, if RunRev decided to drop or reduce support for the Mac, I
> would change to a different development system.
> 
> They are a commercial company and I expect them to do what is best for
> their own interests. It seems that they are not able to maintain
> parity in the Linux version, so without meaning any lack of support
> for you personally, or for any other users of the Linux version, I
> think RunRev needs to make more of an effort to keep the Linux version
> in line with the others, or it should be dropped completely.
> 
> However this is purely my opinion. I have nothing to do with RunRev
> and I have no idea of the breakdown of their user base.
> 
> Regards,
> Sarah
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 28 19:15:05 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:15:05 -0800
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
	<f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED59FD9-3567-4499-8094-67EA952EF2CC@twft.com>

>> Lest we forget, where would we be without publicly-funded software?  OS X is
>> BSD at its core, created at publicly-funded UC Berkeley.  And the first web
>> browser, Mosaic, which spawned Navigator and ultimately Mozilla's Firefox,
>> began life at the publicly-funded NCSA.
> 
> 
I think I must disagree to some extent. BSD Unix is no longer BSD, although the first renditions were. I don't believe there are any more bits and pieces of BSD in Apple's most recent offerings. 

But I think the argument about the viability of LINUX for Rev really depends on how difficult it is to cross develop for both platforms. If the compiler used for Rev is of the sort that provides a high degree of portability, then properly written link libraries should solve most of the issues. 

I don't pretend of course to be that kind of programmer, but I know enough to see (I think) that the differences between the now UNIX OS X and Linux are CONSIDERABLY less than the differences between OS X and Windows. Remember the debacle Microsoft foisted on everyone when they wrapped their windows compile of Office in an interpreter and sold it as Office Mac? 

So the question really is how MUCH more difficult is it for Runrev to develop for Linux? None of us really know, do we?

Bob




From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 28 19:17:53 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:17:53 -0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> 
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
underestimate the power of that combination. If apple goes the way of the
dodo, we're all lost no matter how many developers we get, we don't have the
source to Mac OS X or the freedom to change it to suit our needs.

Now, if you ask if joe glee-watcher will use linux for those two
advantadges, then, the answer is no, he will not, but as long as linux is
alive and kicking and getting better everytime, then he has a choice. Linux
is about having a choice.

Now, on the BeOS front, check out http://haiku-os.org if you feel inclined
download the Alpha 1 to run on VMWare or VirtualBox and check the network
panel (preflet), I was the coder for that thing! :D

Cheers
andre

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> I side with Sarah. Linux is and has always been faced with that odd paradox
> of any OS, and that is how to get enough developers on board developing for
> an OS that may or may not succeed. People will not use an OS that doesn't
> have the apps they need. Developers will not develop for an OS that doesn't
> have a substantial user base. How do you pull that situation up by the
> bootstraps?
>
> Apple worked because what they offered at first was a whole new animal. A
> graphical operating system that no one else had. Also they wrote their own
> apps initially to make the computer at least basically viable, until enough
> people bought one to pique the interest of developers.
>
> Windows worked because they already had a HUGE user base carrying over from
> MSDOS and the corporate world. Any developer would slobber all over himself
> now to get in on the ground floor of that goldmine.
>
> Linux (IMHO) was (at least initially) like the odd brother who wants to tag
> along, but no one really has a use for. No one wants to pick him for their
> team because he can't play sports very well yet. He never really learns to
> play sports very well because no one ever picks him. Oh sure he grew up to
> be a dam good molecular biologist, but he still can't hit a baseball to save
> his life. And most people don't need a molecular biologist. (I'm sure I've
> offended every molecular biologist on the list now <sigh>)
>
> My point is that unless LINUX has something UNIQUE to offer the mass of
> users in the computing world (aside from the fact that it makes a great
> server OS for some things), it's never going to really get into the client
> computing game. It's always going to be the "me too" OS. And please don't
> make me mention BeOS!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> >>> Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
> >>> logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
> >>> with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
> >>> source and mainly free software.
> >>
> >> Those of use who have been waiting for (and paying for) parity between
> >> Linux and OS X thank you for your support :-)
> >>
> >> It seems odd to me that on the day after the iPad is announced you
> >> would suggest that RunRev ditch further development of the Linux
> >> version, when RunRev have already announced RevMobile which would
> >> supports the iPhone, Windows Mobile, and Maemo.  It sounds like you
> >> are not confident that RunRev can manage to produce a cross-platform
> >> tool for more than two platforms.  Hey, the vast majority of people
> >> use windows (which has much greater backwards compatibility than
> >> Apple's OS), so why not just ditch OS X and concentrate on Windows?
> >> Then you'd perhaps get an idea of how frustrated those of use wanting
> >> feature parity in Linux feel.
> >
> >
> > I understand your frustration as there have been many complaints about
> > the Linux version on this list over the years.Based on the feedback, I
> > feel sure that if I was compelled to develop on a Linux system, I
> > would have chosen a different development system by now.
> >
> > Similarly, if RunRev decided to drop or reduce support for the Mac, I
> > would change to a different development system.
> >
> > They are a commercial company and I expect them to do what is best for
> > their own interests. It seems that they are not able to maintain
> > parity in the Linux version, so without meaning any lack of support
> > for you personally, or for any other users of the Linux version, I
> > think RunRev needs to make more of an effort to keep the Linux version
> > in line with the others, or it should be dropped completely.
> >
> > However this is purely my opinion. I have nothing to do with RunRev
> > and I have no idea of the breakdown of their user base.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sarah
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 28 19:31:31 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:31:31 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>

As usual I have managed to offend more than one group of people at a time. I don't suppose you know molecular biology too? That would be a double-dipper! ;-) My grand goal in life is to offend ten distinct groups of people in one sentence! 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
> underestimate the power of that combination. If apple goes the way of the
> dodo, we're all lost no matter how many developers we get, we don't have the
> source to Mac OS X or the freedom to change it to suit our needs.
> 
> Now, if you ask if joe glee-watcher will use linux for those two
> advantadges, then, the answer is no, he will not, but as long as linux is
> alive and kicking and getting better everytime, then he has a choice. Linux
> is about having a choice.
> 
> Now, on the BeOS front, check out http://haiku-os.org if you feel inclined
> download the Alpha 1 to run on VMWare or VirtualBox and check the network
> panel (preflet), I was the coder for that thing! :D
> 
> Cheers
> andre



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 28 19:31:37 2010
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:31:37 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33627D92-419E-43FA-A9B5-23FBB7E4D33B@mac.com>

On 29 Jan 2010, at 01:17, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Now, on the BeOS front, check out http://haiku-os.org if you feel inclined
> download the Alpha 1 to run on VMWare or VirtualBox and check the network
> panel (preflet), I was the coder for that thing! :D


I'll install it as soon as there's a Rev engine for it :)


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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 28 19:37:55 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:37:55 -0800
Subject: DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001281554p712a5df9yc4feb33b247a135c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc.009867af001cdab9009867af001cdab9.1cdabb@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<D8D10E44-B3E7-4538-BACC-D56ECA1CBE35@mangomultimedia.com>
	<64bda6471001281554p712a5df9yc4feb33b247a135c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EBB3B2D-A111-457B-AF5B-E62D45A66BA9@twft.com>

Part of why it's a bit tricky to wrap your brain around datagrids, at least initially, is because their internal workings are not immediately obvious, and so we don't "see" why the code we use to work with them does what it does. 

A normal Revolution object is just an object with certain properties that can accept certain events from the rev engine. Their default behaviors (like accepting text or mouse clicks) are predefined in the IDE. Data Grids however, are GROUPS of those normal rev objects, with behaviors and scripts running "behind the scenes". Some of the datagrid objects are hidden away, because they are used only to make clones to display the actual data, and it's really the clones you are working with, not the original objects themselves. 

Data grids are several orders of magnitude more complicated than a "simple" rev object, and understanding what they are and a bit about how they operate internally is key to being able to work with them efficiently. All that to say, don't be too hard on yourself if they seem complex. They are. But anyone doing tables is overjoyed to have them, because writing a table object yourself in the old rev was enough to make you give up. 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:54 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> Really simple!
> It seems that I've drunk more coffee as needed. Apologies for my
> clumsy attempt to help.
> 
> I have to study the datagrid more seriously ;)



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 28 19:41:35 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:41:35 -0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> 
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001281641i4ebe04afp4701ab0378a4d7ec@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

uhuahuaahuhau I am not offended at all!!!

Did I sound offended? Sorry, it is 10:40 PM and I am camping at Campus Party
IT event with 6.000 geeks who do not take showers and make noise all time,
sorry if I sound tired! :D

Cheers
andre

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> As usual I have managed to offend more than one group of people at a time.
> I don't suppose you know molecular biology too? That would be a
> double-dipper! ;-) My grand goal in life is to offend ten distinct groups of
> people in one sentence!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
> > underestimate the power of that combination. If apple goes the way of the
> > dodo, we're all lost no matter how many developers we get, we don't have
> the
> > source to Mac OS X or the freedom to change it to suit our needs.
> >
> > Now, if you ask if joe glee-watcher will use linux for those two
> > advantadges, then, the answer is no, he will not, but as long as linux is
> > alive and kicking and getting better everytime, then he has a choice.
> Linux
> > is about having a choice.
> >
> > Now, on the BeOS front, check out http://haiku-os.org if you feel
> inclined
> > download the Alpha 1 to run on VMWare or VirtualBox and check the network
> > panel (preflet), I was the coder for that thing! :D
> >
> > Cheers
> > andre
>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Jan 28 19:43:00 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:43:00 -0800
Subject: Last Chance to Pick up Valentina Reports for Free With Upgrade
Message-ID: <F50947400ED8407992C854AC81E5BF6C@GATEWAY>

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From bfr at nwlink.com  Thu Jan 28 19:48:59 2010
From: bfr at nwlink.com (Bruce Robertson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:48:59 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com>


On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
> underestimate the power of that combination. 

Why not? Hasn't gone anywhere yet.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 28 19:59:35 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:59:35 -0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> 
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com>

well, linux has gone to many places including mobile appliances, servers and
many desktops.

I am at a conference with 6.000 most of them running free software...

My goverment is using free software to power our elections, the source code
of the eletronic machines is available, that adds a lot of transparency.
Also most of the software that runs the internet, not the clients but the
whole server side part are based on F/OSS... I would not say it went
nowhere...


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Bruce Robertson <bfr at nwlink.com> wrote:

>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
> > underestimate the power of that combination.
>
> Why not? Hasn't gone anywhere yet.
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:08:49 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:08:49 +1000
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>
	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001281708k47622391u83449a3c5828e9a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> As usual I have managed to offend more than one group of people at a time. I don't suppose you know molecular biology too? That would be a double-dipper! ;-) My grand goal in life is to offend ten distinct groups of people in one sentence!


Hmmm, we'd be looking at a very long sentence I reckon :-)
Perhaps you should start with paragraph and work your way down....


From psahores at free.fr  Thu Jan 28 20:12:51 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:12:51 +0100
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
	<f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EC76E55-BEC9-4BE5-B737-400ED4F16F5A@free.fr>

Sarah,

I never used Rev under the Linux platform to code desktop GUI apps and  
can't say more on this subject.

On the other hand, i had to deliver abour 20 production web / ria  
application's servers over the last 15 years and, appart one deployed  
under OS X 10.3.9 and two under Solaris 9 and 10, all went deployed on  
top of MC or Rev under Suse, Debian, Red Hat or Linux PPC distros.  
What i learned there is that a POSIX compliant MC / Rev engine is the  
onest that can be linked (via an external socket listener-translator -  
writable in any langage supported as an Apache module) to Apache, SQL  
db, Streaming servers, etc... as an xinetd protected process.

No ways to get the same config up under the Windows nor OS X server  
platforms without big improvments of the rev engine for thoses  
platforms and if RunRev want to gohead with the irev tech, it will be  
very difficult without choosing a POSIX platform as the most usable  
one of the revServer deployment.

No sure that the multiplatform support of the revServer is the best  
way to get a rock-solid version of it. I would be more confident if a  
realistic choice could be done in about this part of the RunRev  
projects (POSIX compliant server engine first, Linux or BSD prefered  
there lots before Solaris, always less reactive on low cost hardware  
configs and yet owned by Oracle....).

So, in short : iRev will probably never become a real PHP, Perl,  
Python or Ruby challenger if it's not mainly developped and targeted  
to the Linux platform, with secondary ports to the OSX and Windows  
platform, if possible.

But perhaps is that all not so important for most of the Rev customers  
and only RunRev knows about the strategic gates they will choose to go  
with.

Regards,


Le 29 janv. 10 ? 00:55, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> features of the other platforms. Apart from one post by Richard, every
> post that I can remember about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is
> not good for RunRev and not fair to their customers.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 28 20:54:49 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:54:49 -0800
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
Message-ID: <4B623FE9.5020503@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > BSD Unix is no longer BSD, although the first renditions were.
 > I don't believe there are any more bits and pieces of BSD in
 > Apple's most recent offerings.

True, but how far do you think NeXT would have gotten if they had to 
write it from scratch?

Which do we Mac folks use now: a NeXT variant, or 
Taligent/Copeland/Gershin? ;)

 > ...I know enough to see (I think) that the differences between
 > the now UNIX OS X and Linux are CONSIDERABLY less than the
 > differences between OS X and Windows.

I think that's a very key point.  The world is now pretty much in just 
two camps:  UNIX-based OSes, and Microsoft.


 > So the question really is how MUCH more difficult is it for Runrev
 > to develop for Linux? None of us really know, do we?

Certainly not me, but I know this much:  Rev already has a Linux engine. 
  Heck, the Rev engine was born on UNIX, and for the first half-decade 
lived there exclusively (my first exposure to MC was on Sun).

And don't forget the other half of the world, the server:  there Linux 
dominates, and Rev's there too.

So it's not really a question of whether Rev has to port to Linux.  It 
already did; indeed, it was the other way around.

The only question now is when they'll be in a position to tighten up the 
GTX implementation to take care of some performance and cosmetic issues. 
  Sure, there are a few crashers, but if you've been reading the RQCC as 
often as I have you know that's not an OS-specific feature. ;)

Feature-parity would be nice, but the engine differs on the other two 
platforms anyway so for me that's less of an issue.  One of the few 
things I'd like to see is RevBrowser for Linux, but since that's an 
external I'll bet we could find funding for it if we really needed it, 
so it wouldn't slow RunRev down on anything else they're pursuing.

In a related thread you wrote:

 > My point is that unless LINUX has something UNIQUE to offer the
 > mass of users in the computing world (aside from the fact that
 > it makes a great server OS for some things), it's never going to
 > really get into the client computing game.

Some would say it's already in the client computing game, with an 
estimated market share similar to what Apple had back when people used 
to say it would go out of business. ;)  But like Apple, Linux only 
continues to grow, and currently at a pace faster than any other.

Sure, feature-wise modern OSes are becoming increasingly similar, ever 
more commoditized.  That's the point:  it's an OS, it shouldn't be 
something you have to think about, it should simply do its job of 
getting you to your apps and your documents and not require much of your 
conscious attention at all so you can focus instead on the tasks you 
turned on your computer to do (IMNSHO Apple understands that far better 
than MS).

Being the world's only free and open alternative means a lot to several 
tens of millions of people.

Free and open represent a truly UNIQUE value among OSes.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 28 21:07:02 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:02 -0800
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
Message-ID: <4B6242C6.4090600@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>>
>>> How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time,
>>> effort and limited
>>> resources continuing development of a Linux version ?
>>
>> Count me among them.
>
> In the "iPadding around" thread, you seemed to be in support of RunRev
> continuing Linux development.
> But here you say you think they are wasting their time.
>
> Confused.....

And rightfully so.  I misread Richmond's comment.  Of course I find 
Linux a useful addition to the mix of OSes Rev supports.

>> When we look at where Linux is being used I see enormous opportunities for
>> specialized apps, even commercial ones, of the vertical sort Rev is ideally
>> suited for.
>
> That's interesting. I have never come across any commercial market for
> Linux apps of the sort that I thought I could create using Rev.

Sometimes the value can be strategic, but with one app I'm managing it's 
a direct cash investment:  we have several universities with wallets 
open to pick up our Linux port as soon as we finish it, all for the low 
cost of just fixing a few paths and clicking a checkbox in the 
Standalone Builder.


> I certainly don't expect Linux to go away, but I just don't think it
> fits well with RunRev. We can't create a browser or an operating
> system in revTalk.

I think there may be a misunderstanding of what Linux is.  It's not a 
development environment, it's an OS, like OS X or Windows.  Most of the 
millions running Linux aren't making browsers, they're just enjoying the 
web with them.  And they don't need to make an OS; like us Mac folk they 
already have one they like. :)

Scripting languages are a natural fit on any OS, esp. one with a 
uniquely integrated object model like Rev.  Have you seen the articles 
at Novell.com on how they use Rev on their SUSE installations?  Fun 
stuff, and not all that different form the sorts of things we make for 
in-house use here.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Jan 28 21:26:15 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:26:15 -0500
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <4B61A86D.6020705@fourthworld.com>
References: <4B61A86D.6020705@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D8F30525-3D56-4E14-BECD-51FF0921BFD0@verizon.net>

On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Richard Gaskin  
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Regardless of the opportunities or lack thereof one may see with the  
> world's fastest-growing OS


Here's a good point, RunRev should put effort into OSes based on how  
fast they are growing. For example:

Linux grew from zero to >30 million in 19 years.

iPhone OS grew from zero to 75 million in 3 years.

  


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Jan 28 22:54:11 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:54:11 -0500
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
Message-ID: <889DF481-AA6C-4D7D-870D-ECD8C58E7569@wehostmacs.com>

Have you tried setting the unicodeTitle of the stack window?


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 29 00:02:16 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:02:16 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
Message-ID: <4B626BD8.8050104@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

> On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Regardless of the opportunities or lack thereof one may see with the
>> world's fastest-growing OS
>
> Here's a good point, RunRev should put effort into OSes based on how
> fast they are growing. For example:
>
> Linux grew from zero to >30 million in 19 years.
>
> iPhone OS grew from zero to 75 million in 3 years.

By that criteria, with it's paltry 8.7% market share after more than 20 
years of trying I guess we should ask RunRev to drop support for Mac OS. ;)

Fortunately, Rev doesn't seem willing to cut back on any of the OSes 
they're shipping for, and I've seen nothing to suggest they're not being 
honest with me when they say they can add iPhone to the mix while 
keeping their desktop lineup.

The only OS I'm concerned about is the one not already in queue with RunRev:

   Global forecast puts Android ahead of iPhone,
   BlackBerry, Windows Mobile

<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139026/Android_to_grab_No._2_spot_by_2012_says_Gartner>

One of the things that makes Android interesting is that it's not a 
single phone, nor even a single vendor, but a wide range of devices and 
partnerships in which a great many players can pool their resources, and 
in which developers can enjoy unfettered distribution among all of them.

Don't get me wrong: as an Apple customer, developer, and shareholder for 
many years I like it when they do well.  But I enjoy the breadth of what 
the industry has to offer, and I find new things to learn with every OS 
that finds its way into my shop.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Jan 29 00:46:18 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:46:18 -0800
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
References: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEA6575C-C0F3-4312-B267-9CF01D4FAFAC@mac.com>

I think it is important to continue to support Linux for a few reasons.

First, it makes a great statement about the ability for Rev to be truly multi-platform. I remember a rep from Borland a long time ago claiming they were multi-platform because they supported a couple of flavors of Windows. They were serious.

Second, even though Linux folks don't actually buy software, I like the ability to say that my software runs on Windows, Macintosh, and Linux just for the marketing aspect. Particularly since it is so easy to build for it and test it.

Third, there are some situations where Linux would be the preferred distribution because these are embedded systems. I would like the Linux builds improved a little which is happening.

I don't use Linux as my development platform so I can't comment on the folks who are saying it leaves some to be desired. I generally write and build on Mac for Windows and Linux but text on all the systems. This has worked well for me.

I'm very interested in the iPhone version. WinMobile is dead and I don't really know how viable the Blackberry application market is. Android looks promising but it looks like it will be a difficult environment to build for. Different model phones with different feature sets and screen resolutions and even different versions of the firmware to deal with. The Blackberry market suffers the same problems with different models. With the iPad being so similar to the iPhone/iPod Touch it makes for a very predictable market to sell to. I can't wait.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:31 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Here we go again:
> 
> How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time, effort and limited
> resources continuing development of a Linux version ?
> 
> How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might be sensible
> of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux distros (e.g. Debian derivatives) ?
> 
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Jan 29 02:22:14 2010
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:22:14 +0100
Subject: AW: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <889DF481-AA6C-4D7D-870D-ECD8C58E7569@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <FECA2776DE944A7886D9F199004CBBF7@Kestner.local>

I just don't have a machine on hand, which reproduces the problem, perhaps
somebody else can check?

In my case it is a videoplayer, which I can't switch easily to a substack
without bigger redesign...

Tiemo

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> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Shao Sean
> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Januar 2010 04:54
> An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Re: Windows title reduced to a single character
> 
> Have you tried setting the unicodeTitle of the stack window?
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 02:57:47 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:57:47 +1000
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <889DF481-AA6C-4D7D-870D-ECD8C58E7569@wehostmacs.com>
References: <889DF481-AA6C-4D7D-870D-ECD8C58E7569@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001282357s26a7676bqb809eb75892bc84a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> Have you tried setting the unicodeTitle of the stack window?

Yes, and that doesn't work either.

I finally solved it by using Scott's suggestion and putting the player
into a separate stack but this is a very kludgy work-around, so the
problem really needs to be fixed.

Mark W. reported that he had fixed it for Rev 3.0 but here we are in
4.5 and it's still a problem, so if he did fix it, the fix got
lost....

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Cheers,
Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 03:06:32 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:06:32 +0200
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B61B21B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
	<f99b52861001281555j1300b34an7a2f0fe299ec6311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B629708.2040004@gmail.com>

On 29/01/2010 01:55, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>      
>>> How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time,
>>> effort and limited
>>> resources continuing development of a Linux version ?
>>>        
>> Count me among them.
>>      
> In the "iPadding around" thread, you seemed to be in support of RunRev
> continuing Linux development.
> But here you say you think they are wasting their time.
>
> Confused.....
>    

I do not think RunRev are wasting their time developing for Linux; far 
from it.
This is a question that is a real question rather than a rhetorical one.

>
>    
>> When we look at where Linux is being used I see enormous opportunities for
>> specialized apps, even commercial ones, of the vertical sort Rev is ideally
>> suited for.
>>      
> That's interesting. I have never come across any commercial market for
> Linux apps of the sort that I thought I could create using Rev.
>
>
>    
>> Lest we forget, where would we be without publicly-funded software?  OS X is
>> BSD at its core, created at publicly-funded UC Berkeley.  And the first web
>> browser, Mosaic, which spawned Navigator and ultimately Mozilla's Firefox,
>> began life at the publicly-funded NCSA.
>>      
>
> I certainly don't expect Linux to go away, but I just don't think it
> fits well with RunRev. We can't create a browser or an operating
> system in revTalk.
>
> So I am with Richard's statement above (which may not say what he
> meant it to say) and you can also count me among the people who think
> RunRev's resources would be better allocated elsewhere.
>
> I also feel that it would be more honest of them to admit that Linux
> is a second-class citizen in the Rev world and does not have all the
> features of the other platforms. Apart from one post by Richard, every
> post that I can remember about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is
> not good for RunRev and not fair to their customers.
>
>    
Well, I for one, have been deploying EFL content and reinforcement 
standalones
across my Ubuntu boxes in my school without a single problem for 5 years.

I have nothing negative to say in this respect about RunRev on Linux.

My only 'grunt' (and I am repeating myself) is the difficulty end-users 
have in
installing a font on Linux somewhere where RunRev will 'see' it.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 03:08:47 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:08:47 +0200
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>	<4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com>	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<FAA21349-FF1C-420A-877B-007D753B4B7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4B62978F.9090202@gmail.com>

On 29/01/2010 02:31, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> As usual I have managed to offend more than one group of people at a time. I don't suppose you know molecular biology too? That would be a double-dipper! ;-) My grand goal in life is to offend ten distinct groups of people in one sentence!
>    

Welcome to the club . . .  :)

> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>    
>> Bob,
>>
>> Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
>> underestimate the power of that combination. If apple goes the way of the
>> dodo, we're all lost no matter how many developers we get, we don't have the
>> source to Mac OS X or the freedom to change it to suit our needs.
>>
>> Now, if you ask if joe glee-watcher will use linux for those two
>> advantadges, then, the answer is no, he will not, but as long as linux is
>> alive and kicking and getting better everytime, then he has a choice. Linux
>> is about having a choice.
>>
>> Now, on the BeOS front, check out http://haiku-os.org if you feel inclined
>> download the Alpha 1 to run on VMWare or VirtualBox and check the network
>> panel (preflet), I was the coder for that thing! :D
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>>      
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Jan 29 03:17:35 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:17:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] ListMagic 1.1.4 Maintenance update
In-Reply-To: <000e01caa055$0b3816d0$21a84470$@com>
References: <000e01caa055$0b3816d0$21a84470$@com>
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Thanks Jim.

Salut,
Josep
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 03:18:42 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:18:42 +0000
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <FEA6575C-C0F3-4312-B267-9CF01D4FAFAC@mac.com>
References: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
	<FEA6575C-C0F3-4312-B267-9CF01D4FAFAC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001290018h6deb0bj57e44c9f6df91ee4@mail.gmail.com>

I really hate myself for what I'm about to say....

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> WinMobile is dead

I'm going to seem like I enjoy being cussed.  I've hated Microsoft for
as long as I can remember (because of their attempts to kill all
competition).  Since OS X 10.1 I deliberately bought, supported and
recommended Apple to all and sundry, just to do my bit to keep the
competition alive.  Among people I know, that's what they buy and what
they recommend to others, so I had my small degree of success.

However, when it came to buying a mobile phone a couple of years ago I
could not bring myself to buy an iPhone.  Instead I bought a Windows
Mobile phone.  I have been very impressed with it (maybe that's
because I had such low expectations from MS).  But I've not one OS
crash in all those years (wish I could say the same for Vista).  I
have only had to reset it twice.  And I never switch it off.  That's
pretty impressive.

Then there's the range of apps I could get for it - there's nothing I
wanted that I couldn't find.  It provides tethering out of the box.

I used to think the most impressive thing MS ever did was the move
from Windows 95 to NT.  But Windows Mobile also ranks as one of the
few things they've done that impressed me.  Compared to the Symbian
phones I've used, Windows Mobile is out in front.  Admittedly it is a
HTC phone, and they do 'skin' it to some degree and add some of their
own UI features.  I might be a bit less impressed without that
tweaking.

I'm going to be getting a Maemo phone next though.  I expect great
things from that too.

Bernard


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 29 03:49:02 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:49:02 +0100
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281559m35724029r20b5f76b526204bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52861001280220q3ac62c98t94434bada7ee646@mail.gmail.com>
	<C786A8D3.477FC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<f99b52861001281559m35724029r20b5f76b526204bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6881F19-5217-4972-ACBD-57420A7221A1@major.on-rev.com>


Am 29.01.2010 um 00:59 schrieb Sarah Reichelt:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>> Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> ...
> And yes, I can confirm that the issue definitely still exists in Rev
> 4.5.0-dp-1 at least under Windows XP. This app that I am working on
> cannot be released for Windows in it's current state. It may be only
> cosmetic, but it looks very bad.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah

I can confirm this is still present with Rev 4.5 dp1 on Windows 7!


Best

Klaus

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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 29 05:07:38 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:07:38 +0100
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
Message-ID: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>

I thought, this morning in my bed, at all I had read about the iPad on various forums French and foreign. It appears as a kind of unease, frustration. ? Ah! Is that all? ?, ? This already exists ?, ? This is a big iPod Touch ?, etc. Yet, while basically in agreement with these thoughts, I can not bring myself reduce the subject to an assemblage of technologies already known and some already mastered. In this ? thing ? I sense something new, I do not know what, I wonder as Gilles Deleuze : ? Where is the newness? ?. What makes the bicycle a new objet (tool?)? The wheel? No, that existed for a very long time. The saddle? Legacy of the cavalry. The handlebars? The pedals? There is 2 French words for this object: ? bicyclette ? and ? v?lo ?. The first one addresses the object of a technical (technological?) point of view : is a two-wheeler. The second ? v?lo ? (from ? v?locip?de ?) : go fast with his feet. The ? bicyclette ? is a technological breakthrough, the result of assembling of technical elements already existing anf already proven as the wheel and the saddle. The ? v?lo ? is a machine (yet the same) that alters our relationship to the territory, which allows us to increase our power (puissance : Nietzschean sense). When the ? bicyclette ? is an ? invention ? of more aver the history of mankind, the ? v?lo ? os one of the most amazing inventions of mankind.
In the computer world, Apple did not invent the computer, not even the micro-computer while the company was a pioneer in the field. Apple did not invent the technology icons/mouse, nor does the multitouch, but Apple has revolutionized the computer (and not only the micro-computer), inventing some technology but above all by creating new uses in assembling new technologies and linking closely to each other. Macintosh was not the first microcomputer ? graphics/mouse ?, iPod was not the first digital Walkman, iPhone was not the first mobile phone. But, all these devices have radically changed the use to which it had previously. By changing scale, from the iPod Touch to iPad, Apple does, apparently, not a new machine (the same but greater), but create a new use. By removing certain elements : the mouse, the cursor, the distance between the hand and the brain is shortened ; increasing the size of a small fun object (a Walkman after all) our power is increased. The alliance between the hand and the brain is enhanced. The alliance between the hand and the brain is not what characterizes human in the animal kingdom?

From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jan 29 05:32:04 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:32:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
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Sarah says:  "Apart from one post by Richard, every post that I can remember
about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is not good for RunRev and not
fair to their customers."

I don't mean to be negative.  I like Rev very much, the people have always
been very fair and helpful, the list is great.  It has its disadvantages for
the platform I've chosen to work on, but so does anything, and for what I
use it for, its fine, they can be worked around.  Its easy to use, and it
delivers.  For me.  

But you cannot expect professional developers to tolerate on their main
platform what people like us tolerate very cheerfully.  The real business
strategy issue for Rev in the Linux space is:  what about Python?  How are
we positioned against that?  Its not an issue for Windows or Mac.  If I were
a professional developer on either platform, I'd have no hesitation in
choosing Rev over Python.  People on this list have sometimes made off-hand
negative remarks about WXPython and similar packages - and for Windows or
Mac, given the Rev alternatives, they are quite right.  When you come to
Linux, if you are a professional developer on that platform, well, its not
so clear.

Is there a market for Linux paid apps?  Probably not for the standard
desktop type apps, but for very specific ones in industry, may well be.  Is
there a market for commercial Linux development environments with the host
of free ones available?  Dunno.  I think there may be.  You'd have to talk
to people who make a living doing development on Linux, for whom Linux is
the main platform, not a nice afterthought.  Rev has unique advantages.  It
may be possible for it to become a real contender, with only a bit more
polish and feature parity.

I may sound harsh sometimes when talking about the feature gap, but am very
pleased with Rev in very many ways.  And actually grateful to the Rev team
for doing as much as they have.   Its just that, in terms of business
strategy and positioning, I am probably not the one Rev needs to please. 
Richmond neither.  Its the Linux equivalent of Jacque or Daniels & Mara, or
Trevor DeVore.  That's the issue.

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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Jan 29 06:34:23 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:34:23 +0000
Subject: Linux deployment . . .
In-Reply-To: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
References: <4B6191B3.10502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B62C7BF.8020304@ekoinf.net>

I am using it on Linux to do various tasks (check availability of our 
services, etc, etc, etc...), so I would like RunRev to continue 
supporting Linux and I (wish to) believe I am not alone with this :-)

All the best
Viktoras

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Here we go again:
>
> How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time, 
> effort and limited
> resources continuing development of a Linux version ?
>
> How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might 
> be sensible
> of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux 
> distros (e.g. Debian derivatives) ?
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Jan 29 06:41:55 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:41:55 +0000
Subject: iPadding around?
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and I "hate" keyboards, as they tend to get pretty dirty over time and 
need to be vacuum-cleaned regularly. It is much easier to clean screens 
as they do not have holes and gaps so inviting for different kinds of 
stuff to stick in... ;-)

Viktoras

Ren? Micout wrote:
> By this point I followed the blog of Sarah : "Numbers and Pages will make this a working computer, rather than just a portable communication device".
> I think that for a "working computer" the keyboard accessory is necessary (not only accessory ;-)
> Ren?
>
> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 14:26, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>   
>> You do not need to add the keyboard dock accessory since it has the almost full size touch keyboard! And trying to push the iPad to be a laptop is not the same thing as either a netbook or a laptop.
>>     
>
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 29 08:36:17 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:36:17 +0100
Subject: iPadding around?
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The same for me, it is better since I have Mac aluminium keyboard...

Le 29 janv. 2010 ? 12:41, viktoras d. a ?crit :

> and I "hate" keyboards, as they tend to get pretty dirty over time and need to be vacuum-cleaned regularly. It is much easier to clean screens as they do not have holes and gaps so inviting for different kinds of stuff to stick in... ;-)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 10:08:55 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:08:55 +0200
Subject: Devawriter
Message-ID: <4B62FA07.1080309@gmail.com>

For ALL of you who just cannot stop writing Sanskrit letters
home to Mum a new version of Devawriter is available here:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html

[Minor update incorporating the defaultFolder stuff discussed
in the 'Export Locations' discussion.]

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Jan 29 11:06:46 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:06:46 -0600
Subject: [ANN] tRev video showing greater Rev interoperability
Message-ID: <6D0462AE-40C6-4452-8B52-4EE065A250C3@me.com>

tRev users and watchers,

What began as an optimization and bug fix update to tRev ended up with  
new features.

     http://reveditor.com/greater-trev-to-rev-interoperability-and-more

NEW:
- Greater tRev-Rev interoperability:
        New Mainstack
        New Substack
        Open Stack...
        Open Recent Stack
- IDE check box now at top of Stacks column in Object Browser
        Used for showing Rev IDE and plugin stacks
        Only shows when Headers, Footers, Tooltips pref is ON
        Option-click a Browser tab to toggle IDE stacks on or off
- When one tab showing, a link to most recent tRev post shows
        Tooltip indicates date of most recent post or comment to post
        Prefix to link indicates type of post
- Basic tRev API published as a plugin

ENHANCED:
- tRev Msg Data Broker window in Rev
        Is now a palette placed at top right top of Rev dock
        Checking off "use me" stops using tRev editor/decoder only
        You can still use all the nice shortcuts, etc.
        Closing Broker window no longer turns tRev editor/decoder back  
on
- You can no longer open more than one Object Browser
- Errors, Definitions, Decoder, var fields & Stats fonts now resize

FIXED:
- Transparent inspection menu shortcut no longer repeats
- Handlers in list with handler tags now link properly to handler in  
code

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 29 11:32:36 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:32:36 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
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	<7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com>
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no j/k :-)

On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> uhuahuaahuhau I am not offended at all!!!
> 
> Did I sound offended? Sorry, it is 10:40 PM and I am camping at Campus Party
> IT event with 6.000 geeks who do not take showers and make noise all time,
> sorry if I sound tired! :D
> 
> Cheers
> andre



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 29 11:38:09 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:38:09 -0800
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
In-Reply-To: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>
References: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <02847054-A893-4C30-9377-88ED41118315@twft.com>

Hence my statement that the iPad is what the iTouch SHOULD have been from the beginning. But remember back then, it wasn't at all certain if people would adopt a touch only interface en masse. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:07 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> I thought, this morning in my bed, at all I had read about the iPad on various forums French and foreign. It appears as a kind of unease, frustration. ? Ah! Is that all? ?, ? This already exists ?, ? This is a big iPod Touch ?, etc. Yet, while basically in agreement with these thoughts, I can not bring myself reduce the subject to an assemblage of technologies already known and some already mastered. In this ? thing ? I sense something new, I do not know what, I wonder as Gilles Deleuze : ? Where is the newness? ?. What makes the bicycle a new objet (tool?)? The wheel? No, that existed for a very long time. The saddle? Legacy of the cavalry. The handlebars? The pedals? There is 2 French words for this object: ? bicyclette ? and ? v?lo ?. The first one addresses the object of a technical (technological?) point of view : is a two-wheeler. The second ? v?lo ? (from ? v?locip?de ?) : go fast with his feet. The ? bicyclette ? is a technological breakthrough, the result of assembling of technical elements already existing anf already proven as the wheel and the saddle. The ? v?lo ? is a machine (yet the same) that alters our relationship to the territory, which allows us to increase our power (puissance : Nietzschean sense). When the ? bicyclette ? is an ? invention ? of more aver the history of mankind, the ? v?lo ? os one of the most amazing inventions of mankind.
> In the computer world, Apple did not invent the computer, not even the micro-computer while the company was a pioneer in the field. Apple did not invent the technology icons/mouse, nor does the multitouch, but Apple has revolutionized the computer (and not only the micro-computer), inventing some technology but above all by creating new uses in assembling new technologies and linking closely to each other. Macintosh was not the first microcomputer ? graphics/mouse ?, iPod was not the first digital Walkman, iPhone was not the first mobile phone. But, all these devices have radically changed the use to which it had previously. By changing scale, from the iPod Touch to iPad, Apple does, apparently, not a new machine (the same but greater), but create a new use. By removing certain elements : the mouse, the cursor, the distance between the hand and the brain is shortened ; increasing the size of a small fun object (a Walkman after all) our power is increased. The alliance between the hand and the brain is enhanced. The alliance between the hand and the brain is not what characterizes human in the animal kingdom?_______________________________________________
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 29 11:44:05 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:44:05 -0500
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
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On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Hence my statement that the iPad is what the iTouch SHOULD have been from the beginning. But remember back then, it wasn't at all certain if people would adopt a touch only interface en masse. 

The Apps part of the iPod Touch was a secondary function, that you could pay the extra $20 to get. The main function of the iPod Touch was as a music player, that needed to easily fit into your pocket.




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Jan 29 12:00:45 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:00:45 -0500
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
Message-ID: <56B05E71-C19C-4615-B80A-9D318EA22B76@wehostmacs.com>

Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one?


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jan 29 13:26:09 2010
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:26:09 +0000
Subject: Geometry manager
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On 20/1/10 22:37, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Just to weigh in, the fact that people can write their own scripts to do this should be some indication that a geometry manager CAN work for most things. Off the top of my head, it seems you would want to set and track the following things:

My view, when I abandoned the GM (which was admittedly many many many years
ago) was that an essential element of any solution is sequence; because
element A may need to be positioned relative to element B, which itself
depends on element C.  While it may be possible to encode this through a
pointy-click approach, it is certainly harder to expose (so you might be able
to set up a reasonable profile, but you can't subsequently inspect and adjust
it).  And while the GM might in principle analyse all the settings to
calculate the best sequence, I seem to recall observing experimentally that it
didn't do so.

I also think some of the issues round the GM were due to user error, which I
would naturally recast as a failure of documentation and explication: that is,
the GM encourages you to think that you could use a pane of the property
inspector on an object in a pointy-clicky way, and then you were done; whereas
in fact as development progressed you probably needed to type some magic
command (revCacheGeometry) into the message box at certain critical moments to
avoid misery.

But most of all I decided (interestingly this is parallel to the objection
many of my colleagues have to HC/Rev generally) that the pointy-clicky GM was
too obscure, and it was too hard to find get an overview of what was going on.
  I make mistakes, and I need to able to go back later, see what I
did, and change it.  Geometry management isn't really about the individual
controls (beyond the simple cases) - so it turns out to be unhelpful to have
to set it, and only be able to inspect it, control by control.


On 20/1/10 19:51, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> PS: a real time-saver for me in writing resizeStack handlers has been
> this SetRect command:

My slightly different approach is a couple of ugly commands adjustObjectPosn
and adjustObjectRect (below), which allow the layout of a bunch of controls to
be described like this:

on resizeCard
   adjustObjectRect "grc", "TabBacker",  "this card", "",     "-,-,R+1,-"
   adjustObjectRect "fld", "Report",     "this card", "",     "-,-,R-20,B-40"
   adjustObjectRect "fld", "FTPlog",     "this card", "",     "-,-,R-20,B-40"
   adjustObjectPosn "grp", "FTPlogCons", "fld", "Report",     "L,B+6,-,-"
   adjustObjectPosn "btn", "ToggleWrap", "fld", "Report",     "-,B+6,R,-"
   adjustObjectRect "fld", "FTPprogFld", "btn", "ToggleWrap", "-,-,L-2,-"
end resizeCard

That is, the commands let you set the position or rectangle of one control,
relative to another control or the card, by specifying new values for any/all
of the four edges those specifications in the form of expressions which
can include the loc (X, Y), dimensions (W, H), or rect (L,T,R,B) of the
reference control.

I'm sure more thought could make this mechanism a bit less ugly!  And the
reference control and set of expressions could be stored as properties of the
subject control - which of course is approximately what the GM does.  In some
ways the GM is more flexible (you can use different reference controls for
different edges, whereas in my model this requires two lines); in others
perhaps less so (only dynamic options is a percentage of the parent
dimension).  But for me the key thing that makes this better is having an
overview of all the layout decisions in one place - and understanding the
sequence of changes.  So in the above example, the field "Report" has its
bottom right corner adjusted relative to the card; then the group "FTPlogCons"
and button "ToggleWrap" are adjusted relative to that field.

Perhaps it's possible that there could be a perfect union: the above could
obviously be represented purely declaratively.  If the Geometry pane of the
Property Inspector wrote it's data, not into a property of the object, but of
the card, in an inspectable format, which also allowed the sequence to be
adjusted, there may be no reason why a single built-in mechanism wouldn't
suffice.  (But I'm not really sure about how we handle placed groups... which
is why at some level you have to say this is a developer product, and
developers need to take control of their work.)

Ben



on adjustObjectPosn tDstType, tDstName, tSrcType, tSrcName, tDeltas
    local tDim, X, Y, W, H, L, R, T, B, tEdge
    if tSrcName <> empty then put space & quote & tSrcName & quote \
after tSrcType -- allow us to use type of this card
    -- set up the variables X, Y, W, H, L, R, T, B
    get 0 -- explicit vars parsing error
    do ("get the loc  of" && tSrcType)
    put item 1 of it into X
    put item 2 of it into Y
    repeat for each word tDim in "Left Top Right Bottom Width Height"
       do ("put the" && tDim && "of" && tSrcType && "into " & char 1 of tDim)
    end repeat
    repeat with i = 1 to 4
       get item i of tDeltas
       if it <> "-" then
          put word i of "left top right bottom" into tEdge
          do ("set the" && tEdge && "of" && tDstType \
&& "tDstName to round(" & it & ")")
       end if
    end repeat
end adjustObjectPosn

on adjustObjectRect tDstType, tDstName, tSrcType, tSrcName, tDeltas
    local tDim, X, Y, W, H, L, R, T, B, tDstRect
    if tSrcName <> empty then put space & quote & tSrcName & quote \
after tSrcType -- allow us to use 'type' of this card
    -- set up the variables X, Y, W, H, L, R, T, B
    get 0 -- explicit vars parsing error
    do ("get the loc  of" && tSrcType)
    put item 1 of it into X
    put item 2 of it into Y
    repeat for each word tDim in "Left Top Right Bottom Width Height"
       do ("put the" && tDim && "of" && tSrcType && "into " & char 1 of tDim)
    end repeat
    do ("put the rect of" && tDstType && "tDstName into tDstRect")
    repeat with i = 1 to 4
       get item i of tDeltas
       if (it <> empty) and (it <> "-") then
          do ("put round(" & it & ") into item i of tDstRect")
       end if
    end repeat
    do ("set the rect of" && tDstType && "tDstName to tDstRect")
end adjustObjectRect





From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 29 14:11:59 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:11:59 -0800
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
In-Reply-To: <2FE90123-227D-4F88-90A0-BE6302762736@verizon.net>
References: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>
	<02847054-A893-4C30-9377-88ED41118315@twft.com>
	<2FE90123-227D-4F88-90A0-BE6302762736@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CB8EF06C-6C6D-4921-A536-32EEF52F60B4@twft.com>

And the video player? That wasn't secondary it was primary. The iTouch was not just about music it was about having an iPhone without the phone part. Otherwise there were cheaper iPods that performed the primary function of playing music just as well. The trouble was, it (and the iPhone IMHO) was just to freaking small to watch anything, never mind watch anything WITH someone else. 

But this is all my way of seeing the world, and besides me the number of people who agree with me is... <crickets> ok well I'm the only one. :-) I wonder if there are any plans to put a phone in the iPads? LOL! 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Hence my statement that the iPad is what the iTouch SHOULD have been from the beginning. But remember back then, it wasn't at all certain if people would adopt a touch only interface en masse. 
> 
> The Apps part of the iPod Touch was a secondary function, that you could pay the extra $20 to get. The main function of the iPod Touch was as a music player, that needed to easily fit into your pocket.
> 
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 29 14:20:23 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:20:23 -0500
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
In-Reply-To: <CB8EF06C-6C6D-4921-A536-32EEF52F60B4@twft.com>
References: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>
	<02847054-A893-4C30-9377-88ED41118315@twft.com>
	<2FE90123-227D-4F88-90A0-BE6302762736@verizon.net>
	<CB8EF06C-6C6D-4921-A536-32EEF52F60B4@twft.com>
Message-ID: <ED9D99E5-2253-4724-AF5C-5D6D4A681BDE@verizon.net>


On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> And the video player? That wasn't secondary it was primary. 


I agree with that, and it is a lacking aspect of the iPod Touch, other than the fact that it has a TV out option.




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 29 14:21:32 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:21:32 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B632841.10803@cogapp.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F44CA22A-857F-4E6A-998A-6A4E17A1EB46@twft.com>
	<4B632841.10803@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <591804F8-772A-4B2E-A076-6BBD9B096FAF@twft.com>

I think this is why any serious GM needs to have the ability to adjust an objects properties relative to another object. So that in a group, the objects would resize relative to the group as a whole, and the group would adjust relative to the card etc. 

But I agree to do this right would take an incredible amount of thought, and in the end would still only work for certain situations. It just seems to me that a basic ability to resize a card and have objects grow relative to that (including font sizes) should not be that hard. Perhaps in the future another universal property of objects called "scale" could be added so that an object would draw to whatever the scale for that object was. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> (But I'm not really sure about how we handle placed groups... which
> is why at some level you have to say this is a developer product, and
> developers need to take control of their work.)
> 
> Ben



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 29 14:34:04 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:34:04 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
Message-ID: <4B63382C.3090207@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> On 20/1/10 19:51, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> PS: a real time-saver for me in writing resizeStack handlers has been
>> this SetRect command:
>
> My slightly different approach is a couple of ugly commands adjustObjectPosn
> and adjustObjectRect (below), which allow the layout of a bunch of controls to
> be described like this:
>
> on resizeCard
>    adjustObjectRect "grc", "TabBacker",  "this card", "",     "-,-,R+1,-"
>    adjustObjectRect "fld", "Report",     "this card", "",     "-,-,R-20,B-40"
>    adjustObjectRect "fld", "FTPlog",     "this card", "",     "-,-,R-20,B-40"
>    adjustObjectPosn "grp", "FTPlogCons", "fld", "Report",     "L,B+6,-,-"
>    adjustObjectPosn "btn", "ToggleWrap", "fld", "Report",     "-,B+6,R,-"
>    adjustObjectRect "fld", "FTPprogFld", "btn", "ToggleWrap", "-,-,L-2,-"
> end resizeCard
>
> That is, the commands let you set the position or rectangle of one control,
> relative to another control or the card, by specifying new values for any/all
> of the four edges those specifications in the form of expressions which
> can include the loc (X, Y), dimensions (W, H), or rect (L,T,R,B) of the
> reference control.

Nicely done, Ben.  Very useful for a great many circumstances.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan 29 14:34:37 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:34:37 -0500
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
In-Reply-To: <CB8EF06C-6C6D-4921-A536-32EEF52F60B4@twft.com>
References: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>
	<02847054-A893-4C30-9377-88ED41118315@twft.com>
	<2FE90123-227D-4F88-90A0-BE6302762736@verizon.net>
	<CB8EF06C-6C6D-4921-A536-32EEF52F60B4@twft.com>
Message-ID: <12818AE1-1D3D-4A79-9028-9287631591BC@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> The trouble was, it (and the iPhone IMHO) was just to freaking small  
> to watch anything, never mind watch anything WITH someone else.

I often watch videos on my iPhone when I'm traveling or hanging around  
on the couch. It is also great for keeping kids quiet and occupied at  
restaurants between the time when they finish eating and you are  
actually ready to leave :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jan 29 14:37:50 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:37:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001280332t202fa139ge6cc619c3333b33e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52861001281541r15758b57xf696cccab1448fe3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1264793870071-1421385.post@n4.nabble.com>


"I think RunRev needs to make more of an effort to keep the Linux version
in line with the others, or it should be dropped completely. "

Yes, agreed, this was a well balanced and reasonable approach to the issue. 
I would take issue a bit with some of the remarks by others on this thread
about Linux being in limbo regarding developers.  There are 20-30,000
packages available in the Debian repositories.  There is no lack of
developers.  Of course, their problem is, their work is being given away.  

It is true that Linux is lacking some way of getting cash into the
application development process.  That said, I have been impressed and
touched by the way when you write to a developer of a package, or even the
packager, you get instant and very helpful support.  It is most impressive.

Peter
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/iPadding-around-tp1311945p1421385.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 29 14:57:06 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:57:06 -0800
Subject: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
In-Reply-To: <12818AE1-1D3D-4A79-9028-9287631591BC@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <3694EF0E-8431-407E-96E4-24EE46076D83@numericable.com>
	<02847054-A893-4C30-9377-88ED41118315@twft.com>
	<2FE90123-227D-4F88-90A0-BE6302762736@verizon.net>
	<CB8EF06C-6C6D-4921-A536-32EEF52F60B4@twft.com>
	<12818AE1-1D3D-4A79-9028-9287631591BC@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <3CDBCDA4-8DD2-4F41-8EE8-3D2E009515E4@twft.com>

I wonder if being 54 with failing eyesight has anything to do with my perspective? ;-)

Bob


On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> The trouble was, it (and the iPhone IMHO) was just to freaking small to watch anything, never mind watch anything WITH someone else.
> 
> I often watch videos on my iPhone when I'm traveling or hanging around on the couch. It is also great for keeping kids quiet and occupied at restaurants between the time when they finish eating and you are actually ready to leave :-)



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:19:42 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <56B05E71-C19C-4615-B80A-9D318EA22B76@wehostmacs.com>
References: <56B05E71-C19C-4615-B80A-9D318EA22B76@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001291419n78283d5du4caac7f17a747571@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be happy to help.

Bernard

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one?


From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Jan 29 17:39:55 2010
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:39:55 -0800
Subject: Setting the blendLevel of BGColor with no color...???
In-Reply-To: <20100129180005.6AC8328896A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100129180005.6AC8328896A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E84AB64D-FF62-4959-88B2-8BC1FC3A218C@mac.com>


Hi All...

I'm guessing you shouldn't be able to do this:

    on MouseDown
       if the backgroundcolor of me is "" then
       set the backgroundcolor of me to "blue"
set the ink of me to blend
set the blendLevel of me to 50
else
    set the backgroundcolor of me to ""
    set the ink of me to blend
    set the blendLevel of me to 100
    end if
end mouseDown

This works fine with a series of rectangle graphics. Setting the  
backgroundColor to "" results in a transparent rectangle but still  
containing an Opaque qualities. (However still couldn't get them to  
change while mouse down and dragging...but I digress...)

However, when you try to control the blendlevel of colored rectangles  
with a scrollbar the rectangles with their backgroundColor set to ""  
turn white. I was hoping I could still preserve the transparency and  
keep the rectangle grcs opaque. (I need to the user to be able click  
on them to either colorize or remove color with a click.)

Here's my scrollbar:

on mouseStillDown
    put the number of grcs of group "grid" - 1 into ModTransparency
    put 1 into X
    repeat ModTransparency
       set the blendLevel of grc ("rectangle"&X) to ThumbPosition of me
       add 1 to X
    end repeat
    put the thumbPosition of me
end mouseStillDown


Is setting the bgcolor of a grc to "" not really something that is  
supposed to result in a transparent grc with an opaque setting of true?

Thanks!

John Patten




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 29 17:48:20 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:48:20 -0800
Subject: sqlToga Help
Message-ID: <DC85D06C-A414-4839-A5F2-BDA9901DFA4B@twft.com>

Hi all. 

Could anyone interested in helping me with sqlYoga contact me off list? I am at the point where I need to start getting information from my database, and not normal information either. I need to get table schemas in the process of copying some of the fields from one table in one database to another in another database. 

I could do this using the rev commands and functions, but I really want to try to use sqlYoga for everything, and I hate bothering Trevor about how-to's. 

Bob

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 18:45:33 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:45:33 +0100
Subject: Setting the blendLevel of BGColor with no color...???
In-Reply-To: <E84AB64D-FF62-4959-88B2-8BC1FC3A218C@mac.com>
References: <20100129180005.6AC8328896A@mail.runrev.com>
	<E84AB64D-FF62-4959-88B2-8BC1FC3A218C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001291545xb1e5399j4597ac611ff9da17@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/29 John Patten <johnpatten at mac.com>:
>
> Hi All...
>
> I'm guessing you shouldn't be able to do this:
>
> ? on MouseDown
> ? ? ?if the backgroundcolor of me is "" then
> ? ? ?set the backgroundcolor of me to "blue"
> set the ink of me to blend
> set the blendLevel of me to 50
> else
> ? set the backgroundcolor of me to ""
> ? set the ink of me to blend
> ? set the blendLevel of me to 100
> ? end if
> end mouseDown
>
> This works fine with a series of rectangle graphics. Setting the
> backgroundColor to "" results in a transparent rectangle but still
> containing an Opaque qualities. (However still couldn't get them to change
> while mouse down and dragging...but I digress...)
>
> However, when you try to control the blendlevel of colored rectangles with a
> scrollbar the rectangles with their backgroundColor set to "" turn white. I
> was hoping I could still preserve the transparency and keep the rectangle
> grcs opaque. (I need to the user to be able click on them to either colorize
> or remove color with a click.)
>
> Here's my scrollbar:
>
> on mouseStillDown
> ? put the number of grcs of group "grid" - 1 into ModTransparency
> ? put 1 into X
> ? repeat ModTransparency
> ? ? ?set the blendLevel of grc ("rectangle"&X) to ThumbPosition of me
> ? ? ?add 1 to X
> ? end repeat
> ? put the thumbPosition of me
> end mouseStillDown
>
>
> Is setting the bgcolor of a grc to "" not really something that is supposed
> to result in a transparent grc with an opaque setting of true?

Hi John,

If you set the background color of an object to empty it will removes
its color, but it will not be transparent.
Check your docs: you can also set the background color of an object to
transparent.

Set an objet to no color is different than set an object to transparent.
To check you can put the color define for your rectangle into an answer box:
- nothing for empty
- or transparent

Try to set your rectangles to transparent, it could be solve your problem.

HTH

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 29 20:04:15 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:04:15 -0800
Subject: Setting the blendLevel of BGColor with no color...???
In-Reply-To: <E84AB64D-FF62-4959-88B2-8BC1FC3A218C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C788C58F.4791E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

John, maybe you could describe a bit more what you're trying to accomplish.

If you're just trying to change the blendlevel of a bunch of graphics using
a scrollbar, this is one way (using a scrollbar whose startValue = 0 and
endValue = 100):

on scrollbarDrag N
   lock screen
   repeat with G = 1 to number of grcs of grp "grid"
      set blendLevel of grc G of grp "grid" to N
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end scrollbarDrag

Note that setting the backgroundColor of something to empty means it will
inherit the backgroundColor of the card (which in turn will inherit the
backgroundColor of the stack if the card has no color assigned).

Please provide some more details if you're trying to do something else.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, John Patten wrote:

> 
> Hi All...
> 
> I'm guessing you shouldn't be able to do this:
> 
>     on MouseDown
>        if the backgroundcolor of me is "" then
>        set the backgroundcolor of me to "blue"
> set the ink of me to blend
> set the blendLevel of me to 50
> else
>     set the backgroundcolor of me to ""
>     set the ink of me to blend
>     set the blendLevel of me to 100
>     end if
> end mouseDown
> 
> This works fine with a series of rectangle graphics. Setting the
> backgroundColor to "" results in a transparent rectangle but still
> containing an Opaque qualities. (However still couldn't get them to
> change while mouse down and dragging...but I digress...)
> 
> However, when you try to control the blendlevel of colored rectangles
> with a scrollbar the rectangles with their backgroundColor set to ""
> turn white. I was hoping I could still preserve the transparency and
> keep the rectangle grcs opaque. (I need to the user to be able click
> on them to either colorize or remove color with a click.)
> 
> Here's my scrollbar:
> 
> on mouseStillDown
>     put the number of grcs of group "grid" - 1 into ModTransparency
>     put 1 into X
>     repeat ModTransparency
>        set the blendLevel of grc ("rectangle"&X) to ThumbPosition of me
>        add 1 to X
>     end repeat
>     put the thumbPosition of me
> end mouseStillDown
> 
> 
> Is setting the bgcolor of a grc to "" not really something that is
> supposed to result in a transparent grc with an opaque setting of true?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> John Patten
> 
> 
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From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 29 20:23:01 2010
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:23:01 -0500
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <58406D0D-46CC-4D38-9722-7ABAEB2E98D2@embarqmail.com>

Maybe I am doing something wrong (but it is so simple, how could I?),  
but I am not seeing any output. I import a file (e.g. a text file)  
and I try to export it as a Word file (.doc). Nothing is created! I  
am on OS X 10.4.11 using Rev 4.0.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

> rev online is back. The stack is "Textutil" in the "Text" category.  
> Works really cool.... I tested Doc (basic text) and webarchive  
> import. The text is there. The links in the webarchive are lost,  
> but h**l, it's a freebie!
>
> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 19:11, stephen barncard a ?crit :
>
>> The shell is your friend.
>>
>> Check out textutil  in the shell.  (man textutil)
>>
>> Mac OSX 10.4. and onward has document conversion routines built  
>> into the
>> system. RTF, HTML, DOC, DOCX, WEBARCHIVE, ODT are some of the  
>> formats.
>>
>> Someone (please identify one's self in one's demo stacks!) has  
>> uploaded to
>> REV ONLINE a very simple stack that demonstrates conversion to- 
>> from various
>> text formats using shell calls. However, REV ONLINE,  one of the most
>> difficult to navigate and unresponsive parts of the IDE, is  
>> completely down
>> today.  Contact me offline if you really need the stack, the  
>> author has
>> indicated he's giving it freely. However, the calls are so simple  
>> and well
>> documented that it could be a good exercise in getting a shell  
>> call to work
>> for you, just using the documentation.
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> On 27 January 2010 20:44, <dr.alistair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Curry,
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word  
>>> export. I am
>>> currently using merge() to create reports for an application that  
>>> I am
>>> working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a  
>>> really useful
>>> tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm  
>>> interested in
>>> that too.
>>>
>>> Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are  
>>> writing the
>>> library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd  
>>> like to.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Alistair Campbell
>>> dr.alistair at gmail.com
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From alex at a2technology.com  Fri Jan 29 20:28:18 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:28:18 -0800
Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
Message-ID: <C788CB32.10BEF%alex@a2technology.com>

I have an app that uses an InetBrowser stack.  It?s pretty much as it came.
Any changes are subtle.  I?ve been using this for a while now, but recently
I wanted to use the browser to view a pdf stored in the app?s directories.
A url similar to this is used:
file:///Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf
file://Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf works too.

The problem is that when I quit the app, if there is one of these file://
addresses in the InetBrowser window, I am presented with the Mac Blue Screen
of (temporary) Death.

If I manually close the browser window or if I go to an http:// address
first, the quit happens okay, but this app can have a lot of windows open at
once and I don?t want to require clean up moves from the user.

Any ideas?
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 29 20:52:18 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:52:18 +0000
Subject: Help!?! Global GameJam
Message-ID: <c1c5836b1001291752v71521a59s24927afd557a82cc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi - I've roped my self into Global Game Jam
<http://www.globalgamejam.org/>- 48 hours to build a game with a group
of people you've never met with
nearly 140 different physical locations all round the world. Naturally
thinking of using Rev - but will need to work with the other team members
most of whom are C++ / C# and Flash ActionScript developers.

Can someone advise on the latest in terms of Flash / Rev integration -
either via QuickTime or embedded browser? How can I get the communication
going? AFAIK the interactivity and playback with QuickTime was only with
early versions of Flash? With the latest and greatest is there any technique
that is easy to implement in this short time scale? Or should I give up on
that one and get more sleep :)

I'm thinking next year it would be a great place to market RunRev cross
platform rapid development capabilities!


From alex at a2technology.com  Fri Jan 29 21:08:35 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:08:35 -0800
Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
In-Reply-To: <C788CB32.10BEF%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <C788D4A3.10BF4%alex@a2technology.com>

I see after further investigation that when a pdf is loaded, browser doesn't
seem to know when the load is finished.  The little process icon never
stops.  It doesn't matter whether the file is accessed via file:/ or http:/,
it behaves the same way.

????
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
alex at a2tecnology.com
www.a2technology.com
www.promisstudio.com
universalconnector.wordpress.com


> From: Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:28:18 -0800
> To: Revolution Mail List <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
> 
> I have an app that uses an InetBrowser stack.  It?s pretty much as it came.
> Any changes are subtle.  I?ve been using this for a while now, but recently
> I wanted to use the browser to view a pdf stored in the app?s directories.
> A url similar to this is used:
> file:///Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf
> file://Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf works too.
> 
> The problem is that when I quit the app, if there is one of these file://
> addresses in the InetBrowser window, I am presented with the Mac Blue Screen
> of (temporary) Death.
> 
> If I manually close the browser window or if I go to an http:// address
> first, the quit happens okay, but this app can have a lot of windows open at
> once and I don?t want to require clean up moves from the user.
> 
> Any ideas?
> -- 
> Alex Adams
> 
> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems
> 
> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-726-8013
> alex at a2tecnology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> www.promisstudio.com
> universalconnector.wordpress.com
> 
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Jan 29 22:21:28 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:21:28 -0800
Subject: Help!?! Global GameJam
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001291752v71521a59s24927afd557a82cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b1001291752v71521a59s24927afd557a82cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E3F2A69-9646-4DB9-AB17-1AD9AE42BEA7@dvcreators.net>

David,

About a year and a half ago, Apple removed all support for Flash  
tracks in QT movies. So a browser is the only way to go.

Cheers,

Josh

On Jan 29, 2010, at 5:52 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>  
wrote:

> Hi - I've roped my self into Global Game Jam
> <http://www.globalgamejam.org/>- 48 hours to build a game with a group
> of people you've never met with
> nearly 140 different physical locations all round the world. Naturally
> thinking of using Rev - but will need to work with the other team  
> members
> most of whom are C++ / C# and Flash ActionScript developers.
>
> Can someone advise on the latest in terms of Flash / Rev integration -
> either via QuickTime or embedded browser? How can I get the  
> communication
> going? AFAIK the interactivity and playback with QuickTime was only  
> with
> early versions of Flash? With the latest and greatest is there any  
> technique
> that is easy to implement in this short time scale? Or should I give  
> up on
> that one and get more sleep :)
>
> I'm thinking next year it would be a great place to market RunRev  
> cross
> platform rapid development capabilities!
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 29 22:55:34 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:55:34 -0800
Subject: Help!?! Global GameJam
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b1001291752v71521a59s24927afd557a82cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C788EDB6.4792B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> Can someone advise on the latest in terms of Flash / Rev integration -
> either via QuickTime or embedded browser? How can I get the communication
> going?

As Josh mentioned, Flash doesn't play with QuickTime anymore; revBrowser is
your only option.  But then one would have to ask, why use Rev at all?
Since Flash is an interactive platform, layering Rev on top of it doesn't
add anything.  It seems you'd be better off producing something natively in
Rev, but I'm guessing you'll be hard pressed to find other game developers
using Rev.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat Jan 30 00:50:55 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:50:55 -0800
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D12E51F0-5B36-4110-8EB4-773B66FC3B3D@mac.com>

I do.

I've found it to be a bit touchy in development but no problems at all in the compiled applications.

One thing I noticed is if you have lots of objects on the screen it makes a huge difference what layer the object is if you use relative object positions (i.e. place one object in relation with another).

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:27 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than writing all that code.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat Jan 30 01:43:48 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:43:48 -0500
Subject: you want big cursors, we got big cursors (for mac os x)
Message-ID: <0DABA4E1-24F3-4644-9025-120D23756362@wehostmacs.com>

thanks to malte, trevor and tereza i have managed to get the cocoa-in- 
carbon stuff to work and am starting to play around with it and here  
is a quick peek at the second thing i am working on..

http://shaosean.tk/images/rnd_bigcursor.png

that big blue arrow cursor is a PNG file with transparency and it does  
click.. you can use any image on disk as a cursor and set the hot  
point (the coordinates that do the clicking)..

-Sean


From chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 03:40:42 2010
From: chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com (Christian Langers)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:40:42 +0100
Subject: MS Word document export
In-Reply-To: <58406D0D-46CC-4D38-9722-7ABAEB2E98D2@embarqmail.com>
References: <5475092.2.1264653861948.JavaMail.root@joe.nabble.com>	<e5e009d71001281011o7f51a512jcf005db6f8f310a1@mail.gmail.com>	<0DD3945E-757C-4A5C-BF3B-0FC452B1B312@mines-paristech.fr>
	<58406D0D-46CC-4D38-9722-7ABAEB2E98D2@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B63F08A.3050103@whitelotus.on-rev.com>

Hi,

I listened to Stephen and added my name and email  into the stack's
script (Textutil.rev)....

Greets,

Christian


On 30/01/10 02:23, Bruce Pokras wrote:
> Maybe I am doing something wrong (but it is so simple, how could I?),
> but I am not seeing any output. I import a file (e.g. a text file) and
> I try to export it as a Word file (.doc). Nothing is created! I am on
> OS X 10.4.11 using Rev 4.0.
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> rev online is back. The stack is "Textutil" in the "Text" category.
>> Works really cool.... I tested Doc (basic text) and webarchive
>> import. The text is there. The links in the webarchive are lost, but
>> h**l, it's a freebie!
>>
>> Le 28 janv. 2010 ? 19:11, stephen barncard a ?crit :
>>
>>> The shell is your friend.
>>>
>>> Check out textutil  in the shell.  (man textutil)
>>>
>>> Mac OSX 10.4. and onward has document conversion routines built into
>>> the
>>> system. RTF, HTML, DOC, DOCX, WEBARCHIVE, ODT are some of the formats.
>>>
>>> Someone (please identify one's self in one's demo stacks!) has
>>> uploaded to
>>> REV ONLINE a very simple stack that demonstrates conversion to-from
>>> various
>>> text formats using shell calls. However, REV ONLINE,  one of the most
>>> difficult to navigate and unresponsive parts of the IDE, is
>>> completely down
>>> today.  Contact me offline if you really need the stack, the author has
>>> indicated he's giving it freely. However, the calls are so simple
>>> and well
>>> documented that it could be a good exercise in getting a shell call
>>> to work
>>> for you, just using the documentation.
>>> -------------------------
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco
>>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 January 2010 20:44, <dr.alistair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Curry,
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export.
>>>> I am
>>>> currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am
>>>> working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really
>>>> useful
>>>> tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm
>>>> interested in
>>>> that too.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are
>>>> writing the
>>>> library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> Alistair Campbell
>>>> dr.alistair at gmail.com
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 04:49:07 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:07 +0000
Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
In-Reply-To: <C788D4A3.10BF4%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C788CB32.10BEF%alex@a2technology.com>
	<C788D4A3.10BF4%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b1001300149w70f59373na461c41b5af45e30@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex,

I don't think I've ever seen this mac bsod thing.  I just tried
loading a local pdf file using the example browser stack that comes
with Rev 4.5, and there was no problem with progress bars, and no
problem when I quit.

I'd suggest you try with that stack. If the problems you are seeing
don't exhibit themself with the sample stack, then it's most likely
that there is something else going on in your code that is causing the
problems you are seeing.

Hope that helps.

Regards,  Bernard


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 05:52:31 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:52:31 -0800
Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b1001300149w70f59373na461c41b5af45e30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C788CB32.10BEF%alex@a2technology.com>
	<C788D4A3.10BF4%alex@a2technology.com>
	<edcc7e6b1001300149w70f59373na461c41b5af45e30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A49B6B0E-F9AC-4705-9754-B66CEC7A3CB9@yahoo.com>

On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:49 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> I don't think I've ever seen this mac bsod thing.  I just tried
> loading a local pdf file using the example browser stack that comes
> with Rev 4.5, and there was no problem with progress bars, and no
> problem when I quit.
>
> I'd suggest you try with that stack. If the problems you are seeing
> don't exhibit themself with the sample stack, then it's most likely
> that there is something else going on in your code that is causing the
> problems you are seeing.


Of course the Mac equivalents of the BSOD

are
   SBOD - spinning beachball of death
   and the kernel panic screen


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Sat Jan 30 07:10:10 2010
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:10:10 -0000
Subject: [BUG] 'combine' problems
In-Reply-To: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEKMCGAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>


http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8582

split tValues by row, then
combine tValues by row

The above should re-instate the original data, BUT...

When combining values that have been split by row, the keys are combined
alphabetically not numerically. This results in the data becoming
mis-ordered.

Tip: Do not rely on split/combine to reproduce your original data!

/H



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 30 07:20:31 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:20:31 +0100
Subject: [BUG] 'combine' problems
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEKMCGAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEKMCGAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <99FC020D-338E-4694-BCA7-B8B747EE382A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hugh,

 From your report, I can't conclude that his is a bug. Arrays have no  
order.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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Op 30 jan 2010, om 13:10 heeft Hugh Senior het volgende geschreven:

>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8582
>
> split tValues by row, then
> combine tValues by row
>
> The above should re-instate the original data, BUT...
>
> When combining values that have been split by row, the keys are  
> combined
> alphabetically not numerically. This results in the data becoming
> mis-ordered.
>
> Tip: Do not rely on split/combine to reproduce your original data!
>
> /H




From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Jan 30 09:24:18 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:24:18 -0200
Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
In-Reply-To: <A49B6B0E-F9AC-4705-9754-B66CEC7A3CB9@yahoo.com>
References: <C788CB32.10BEF%alex@a2technology.com>
	<C788D4A3.10BF4%alex@a2technology.com> 
	<edcc7e6b1001300149w70f59373na461c41b5af45e30@mail.gmail.com> 
	<A49B6B0E-F9AC-4705-9754-B66CEC7A3CB9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a11001300624i379f4addjd2a8c63c0efff8b0@mail.gmail.com>

believe me, there is more than the SBOD and the Kernel Panic,

There is a the Blue Screen Of Sudden Death, where a blue screen of a light
shade fills the screen, all programs die and then you're back on the finder
as if you just rebooted. This can happen when some software does crazy
stuff. One way to force it happen was to use the wrong rev 4.0 engine as a
CGI engine for the built -in apache installation, the mac would go bonkers!
Of course this was using the wrong engine, not the cgi engine but picking
the standalone engine out of context and trying it as cgi... it was a crazy
thing to watch. It is patched now, even if you try it, it will not do those
crazy stunts anymore.

I've seen games doing that as well.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:49 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
>  Hi Alex,
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen this mac bsod thing.  I just tried
>> loading a local pdf file using the example browser stack that comes
>> with Rev 4.5, and there was no problem with progress bars, and no
>> problem when I quit.
>>
>> I'd suggest you try with that stack. If the problems you are seeing
>> don't exhibit themself with the sample stack, then it's most likely
>> that there is something else going on in your code that is causing the
>> problems you are seeing.
>>
>
>
> Of course the Mac equivalents of the BSOD
>
> are
>  SBOD - spinning beachball of death
>  and the kernel panic screen
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 09:40:30 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:40:30 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
Message-ID: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>

Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts 
of complicated stuff,
and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise 
that to copy-paste
on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .

Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it 
will propagate
across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 09:45:08 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:45:08 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

> Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts of complicated stuff,
> and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise that to copy-paste
> on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .
> 
> Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it will propagate
> across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?

just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 09:51:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:51:21 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>

On 30/01/2010 16:45, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>    
>> Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts of complicated stuff,
>> and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise that to copy-paste
>> on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .
>>
>> Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it will propagate
>> across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?
>>      
> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>    

Err . . . "place" . . . ?

>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 09:55:34 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:55:34 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

> On 30/01/2010 16:45, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,  
>>> Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts of complicated stuff,
>>> and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise that to copy-paste
>>> on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .
>>> Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it will propagate
>>> across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?    
>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
> Err . . . "place" . . . ?

is this a question or just an expression of self-mortification? :-D 


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 10:01:24 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:01:24 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>

On 30/01/2010 16:55, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>    
>> On 30/01/2010 16:45, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>>      
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>>        
>>>> Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts of complicated stuff,
>>>> and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise that to copy-paste
>>>> on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .
>>>> Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it will propagate
>>>> across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?
>>>>          
>>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>>>        
>> Err . . . "place" . . . ?
>>      
> is this a question or just an expression of self-mortification? :-D
>    

Both!

>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 10:05:33 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:05:33 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001300705u5aaed4e9uc994f80a48e84bff@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/30 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> On 30/01/2010 16:45, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts of
>>> complicated stuff,
>>> and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise
>>> that to copy-paste
>>> on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .
>>>
>>> Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it
>>> will propagate
>>> across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?
>>>
>>
>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>>
>
> Err . . . "place" . . . ?

Hi Richmond,

Just group your image in the first card of your stack and execute a
script like this:

on mouseUp
   repeat with theCard = 1 to number of cards of this stack
      lock messages
      go cd theCard
      if (there is no group "My_Image") then
         place background "My_Image" onto this card
      end if
      unlock messages
   end repeat
end mouseUp


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 10:07:05 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:07:05 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

>>>>> ...        
>>>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.   
>>> Err . . . "place" . . . ?   
>> is this a question or just an expression of self-mortification? :-D 
> 
> Both!

:-D

...
place bg "your new grouped image group here" onto card "Name of card"
...

Check "place" in the docs!


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 10:07:41 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:07:41 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001300705u5aaed4e9uc994f80a48e84bff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
	<64bda6471001300705u5aaed4e9uc994f80a48e84bff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B644B3D.4000604@gmail.com>

On 30/01/2010 17:05, zryip theSlug wrote:
> 2010/1/30 Richmond Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>    
>> On 30/01/2010 16:45, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>>      
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Suppose we have a stack with 20 cards already populated with all sorts of
>>>> complicated stuff,
>>>> and then we want to spread an image across all those cards but realise
>>>> that to copy-paste
>>>> on each card will bloat the stack ridiculously . . .
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to set an object to have background behaviour so that it
>>>> will propagate
>>>> across a series of cards after those cards have been set up?
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>>>
>>>        
>> Err . . . "place" . . . ?
>>      
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Just group your image in the first card of your stack and execute a
> script like this:
>
> on mouseUp
>     repeat with theCard = 1 to number of cards of this stack
>        lock messages
>        go cd theCard
>        if (there is no group "My_Image") then
>           place background "My_Image" onto this card
>        end if
>        unlock messages
>     end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
>
>    
Thanks so much for your help!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 10:52:17 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:52:17 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>
	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>

On 30/01/2010 17:07, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>    
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>              
>>>>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>>>>>            
>>>> Err . . . "place" . . . ?
>>>>          
>>> is this a question or just an expression of self-mortification? :-D
>>>        
>> Both!
>>      
> :-D
>
> ...
> place bg "your new grouped image group here" onto card "Name of card"
> ...
>
> Check "place" in the docs!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>    
Thanks Klaus!  However the witty remarks slowed things down and you got 
"Slugged" . . .  :)


From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Jan 30 10:54:14 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:54:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRevPlanet Spell Checker video
Message-ID: <1264866854612-1457484.post@n4.nabble.com>


A few months ago there was a RunRevPlanet Spell Checker video sponsored by
Rev. I cannot find any links to it. Does anybody have a link to this video?
-- 
View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/RunRevPlanet-Spell-Checker-video-tp1457484p1457484.html
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 11:23:44 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:23:44 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>
	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

> On 30/01/2010 17:07, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>>>>>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>>>>>>           
>>>>> Err . . . "place" . . . ?        
>>>> is this a question or just an expression of self-mortification? :-D    
>>> Both!
>>>     
>> :-D
>> ...
>> place bg "your new grouped image group here" onto card "Name of card"
>> ...
>> 
>> Check "place" in the docs!
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus  
> Thanks Klaus!  However the witty remarks slowed things down and you got "Slugged" . . .  :)

That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.

C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 11:31:03 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:31:03 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>
	<1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>

On 30/01/2010 18:23, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>    
>> On 30/01/2010 17:07, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>>      
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>>        
>>>>>>> just "group" that image/object and "place" it on the necessary cards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> Err . . . "place" . . . ?
>>>>>>              
>>>>> is this a question or just an expression of self-mortification? :-D
>>>>>            
>>>> Both!
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> :-D
>>> ...
>>> place bg "your new grouped image group here" onto card "Name of card"
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Check "place" in the docs!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>        
>> Thanks Klaus!  However the witty remarks slowed things down and you got "Slugged" . . .  :)
>>      
> That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
> and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.
>
> C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-)
>    
Fair point; but was extremely tired and lazy . . .  :)
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 11:33:58 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:33:58 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>
	<1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

>>> ...    
>> That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
>> and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.
>> C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-)
> Fair point; but was extremely tired and lazy . . .  :)

Excuse, excuses, excuses!

Whatever, no reason to let others do you thinking/work :-D


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 11:45:33 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:45:33 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B644B3D.4000604@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
	<64bda6471001300705u5aaed4e9uc994f80a48e84bff@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B644B3D.4000604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001300845v29f8c9fcw2b3c3653c0b35db7@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/30 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>
> Thanks so much for your help!

You're welcome ;)

> Thanks Klaus!  However the witty remarks slowed things down and you got "Slugged" . . .  :)

It proves once more that have no humor like me, is very advantageous...

Ahaha! 8-)


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 11:51:21 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:51:21 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>
	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>
	<1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>
	<02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001300851x7ca1e220m45c067f5ff92b362@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/30 Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>>>> ...
>>> That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
>>> and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.
>>> C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-)
>> Fair point; but was extremely tired and lazy . . . ?:)
>
> Excuse, excuses, excuses!
>
> Whatever, no reason to let others do you thinking/work :-D
>

Leave some slugs work for you in your garden and you'll never have a
harvesting problem 8-)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 12:18:59 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:18:59 +0200
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>	<1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>	<4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>
	<02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4B646A03.80007@gmail.com>

On 30/01/2010 18:33, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>    
>>>> ...
>>>>          
>>> That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
>>> and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.
>>> C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-)
>>>        
>> Fair point; but was extremely tired and lazy . . .  :)
>>      
> Excuse, excuses, excuses!
>
> Whatever, no reason to let others do you thinking/work :-D
>    
Surely, "Darling", that is what this use-list is all about!
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From rabit at dimensionB.de  Sat Jan 30 12:19:33 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:19:33 +0100
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.2b
Message-ID: <BCBA1DDA-CB33-490B-BD28-AA0BBB5C86BB@dimensionB.de>


revIgniter v1.2b has been released.

This version includes a new application profiling library,
which helps with debugging and optimization during development.
When enabled, the profiler generates a report containing
benchmark results, queries you have run, and $_POST data.

Furthermore there is now scaffolding implemented.
revIgniter's scaffolding feature provides a fast and very
convenient way to add, edit, or delete information in your
database during development.

Info and download at: http://www.revigniter.com/


Ralf


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 12:19:39 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:19:39 -0800
Subject: [BUG] 'combine' problems
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEKMCGAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEKMCGAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <E17CC165-EBF9-495F-848B-98697A670AB2@yahoo.com>

By mis-ordered, do mean the sequence of rows has changed,
or the keys are matched with different values?
The result should be that the row order has changed.

arr[mary] lamb
arr[prince] charming
arr[frog] kiss

Associative arrays don't have the order based on anything but the  
content of the keys.  There is no 'numerical order'
If this is important then you could do the following with the values

put "mary^1^lamb" into textLines
put cr & "prince^2^charming" after textLines
put cr & "frog^3^kiss" after textLines

split textLines using cr and "^"

textLines[mary] 1^lamb
textLines[prince] 2^charming
textLines[frog] 3^kiss

combine textLines using cr and "^"
set the itemDel to "^"
sort textLines by item 2 of each

mary^1^lamb
prince^2^charming
frog^3^kiss

Of course you could put the line number at the end of each value as  
well.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Hugh Senior wrote:

>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8582
>
> split tValues by row, then
> combine tValues by row
>
> The above should re-instate the original data, BUT...
>
> When combining values that have been split by row, the keys are  
> combined
> alphabetically not numerically. This results in the data becoming
> mis-ordered.
>
> Tip: Do not rely on split/combine to reproduce your original data!
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 12:30:59 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:30:59 +0200
Subject: Devawriter
Message-ID: <4B646CD3.3020500@gmail.com>


For ALL of you who just cannot stop writing Sanskrit letters
home to Mum a new version of Devawriter is available here:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html

1.0.6.3

The graphics "jazziness" in this version is the end-result of the
'post factum Background behavior?' posting - that,
generated quite a lot of "Background behavior" . . .   :)

I released, earlier in the day a 1.0.6.2 that was a real case
of bloatware as I has placed images on all the cards; 1.0.6.3
was 35% of release 1.0.6.2 once it had been 'defatted'; so

BIG thanks to Klaus Major and the Slug!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Sat Jan 30 12:33:55 2010
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:33:55 -0000
Subject: [BUG] 'combine' problems
In-Reply-To: <20100130144543.C4535288D58@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONOEKNCGAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>


Thank you for this, Mark. I appreciate that arrays have no intrinsic key
order, but it kinda seems intuitive that a 'split tValues by row' followed
by 'combine tValues by row' should resolve to the original data.  Knowing
that the result of the first mangles the key order clarifies why it doesn't.
I would, nevertheless, expect automatically allocated numeric keys to be
numerically ordered.

I have set #8582 to not-a-bug.

/H


Mark Schonewille wrote

Hugh,

 From your report, I can't conclude that his is a bug. Arrays have no
order.


Op 30 jan 2010, om 13:10 heeft Hugh Senior het volgende geschreven:

>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8582
>
> split tValues by row, then
> combine tValues by row
>
> The above should re-instate the original data, BUT...
>
> When combining values that have been split by row, the keys are
> combined
> alphabetically not numerically. This results in the data becoming
> mis-ordered.
>
> Tip: Do not rely on split/combine to reproduce your original data!
>
> /H



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 12:38:09 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:38:09 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <4B646A03.80007@gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>	<1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>	<4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>
	<02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B646A03.80007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD4E4E1D-67DF-4649-A958-61D71E1C91A5@major.on-rev.com>


Am 30.01.2010 um 18:18 schrieb Richmond Mathewson:

> On 30/01/2010 18:33, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>> ...        
>>>> That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
>>>> and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.
>>>> C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-) 
>>> Fair point; but was extremely tired and lazy . . .  :)    
>> Excuse, excuses, excuses!
>> Whatever, no reason to let others do you thinking/work :-D  
> Surely, "Darling", that is what this use-list is all about!

Not really, honeybun! :-)

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 30 12:44:51 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:44:51 +0100
Subject: post factum Background behavior?
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001300851x7ca1e220m45c067f5ff92b362@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B6444DE.3020009@gmail.com>
	<3E5CC400-98DD-4813-87E1-182CADDF3693@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B644769.4050609@gmail.com>
	<5FB6ADDC-2691-44E8-BA21-EB9C30932454@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B6449C4.2040103@gmail.com>
	<0F998878-1237-450F-878E-C82E91775577@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B6455B1.4070409@gmail.com>
	<1DEC2EAA-6CE7-49B7-A833-91B8EABF2596@major.on-rev.com>
	<4B645EC7.9040704@gmail.com>
	<02A4F238-2356-4270-88C0-17C378993D44@major.on-rev.com>
	<64bda6471001300851x7ca1e220m45c067f5ff92b362@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBF1894D-FE93-418E-B028-ECC95E3CF368@major.on-rev.com>


Am 30.01.2010 um 17:51 schrieb zryip theSlug:

> 2010/1/30 Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>:
>> Hi Richmond,
>>>>> ...
>>>> That's true but I was heavily convinced that you were able to look up "place" in the docs
>>>> and figure out that a repeat loop of any kind would have solved you problem.
>>>> C'mon yoiu are using Re/MC for LOTS of years now! ;-)
>>> Fair point; but was extremely tired and lazy . . .  :)
>> Excuse, excuses, excuses!
>> Whatever, no reason to let others do you thinking/work :-D
> Leave some slugs work for you in your garden and you'll never have a
> harvesting problem 8-)

Too bad I don't have a garden :-)

> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 30 13:13:31 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:13:31 -0600
Subject: Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <D12E51F0-5B36-4110-8EB4-773B66FC3B3D@mac.com>
References: <4B575907.8040506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D12E51F0-5B36-4110-8EB4-773B66FC3B3D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B6476CB.2010702@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I do.
> 
> I've found it to be a bit touchy in development but no problems at
> all in the compiled applications.
> 
> One thing I noticed is if you have lots of objects on the screen it
> makes a huge difference what layer the object is if you use relative
> object positions (i.e. place one object in relation with another).

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind if I use it. I have 110 objects on one of 
the cards. Sounds like the GM just goes through the objects in layering 
order, so I'd need to start with 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 30 13:30:56 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:30:56 -0800
Subject: stack blendlevel with opaque controls?
Message-ID: <4B647AE0.1070202@fourthworld.com>

I think I know the answer to this (no), but has anyone unlocked a secret 
way to make good-looking transparent palettes in which the palette is 
black with a blendlevel of about 30 but the controls within it are fully 
opaque?

I know I could use a window shape with an alpha channel for this, but 
that's more work than I'd prefer to do for multiple platforms, and seems 
error-prone (not to mention losing the smooth built-in resizability).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 30 13:36:28 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:36:28 -0600
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com>
	<1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<f99b52861001280233r58ba3801ub305e046bd16a8a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE7E743F-A498-43F4-A632-78F6784F3C64@me.com>

Sarah,

I have to agree with you.

- iPad over further fails in Linux...do iPad.
- iPad over Windows Mobile...do iPad.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/greater-trev-to-rev-interoperability-and-more

On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:33 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> As for Rev, far more important to get the basics working properly  
>> on all
>> three platforms than move into trying to support yet another, and  
>> one whose
>> market significance is doubtful.
>
>
> While I have no idea of the market for Rev and how it is divided among
> the platforms, I would suggest that there is far more commercial sense
> in expanding Rev to the iPhone/iPad market, perhaps at the expense of
> the Linux market. So long as your app uses standard APIs (which would
> be RunRev's responsibility) and doesn't try to do anything too
> obviously against Apple's guide lines (which are agreed to in advance
> by all registered iPhone developers), then Apple gives you a fantastic
> marketing tool in the App store, as well as a standard platform where
> your apps run in their own sandbox and cannot be accused of
> interfering with other apps.
>
> To me, this seems like a fantastic market for us as developers, and I
> certainly plan to exploit the iPhone/iPad for in-house applications.
> as well.
>
> Talking in purely commercial terms, I think this would be a much more
> logical direction for RunRev than continuing to try to support Linux
> with all it's multiple varieties and it's general ethos for open
> source and mainly free software. There are already 75 million iPhone
> users and that number will only increase with the iPad. And these
> people are already used to paying for apps over the App store.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> P.S. If you want my thoughts on the iPad, which are very different to
> Peter's & Richmond's, then have a look at my blog
> <http://www.troz.net/tech/>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jan 30 13:50:54 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:50:54 -0800
Subject: stack blendlevel with opaque controls?
In-Reply-To: <4B647AE0.1070202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C789BF8E.4796E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I think I know the answer to this (no), but has anyone unlocked a secret
> way to make good-looking transparent palettes in which the palette is
> black with a blendlevel of about 30 but the controls within it are fully
> opaque?
> 
> I know I could use a window shape with an alpha channel for this, but
> that's more work than I'd prefer to do for multiple platforms, and seems
> error-prone (not to mention losing the smooth built-in resizability).

Unfortunately, the only way to do this currently is using a windowshape.

Do your palettes really need to be resizable by the user?  What I've done in
some of my projects is to make predefined expanded and collapsed sizes of a
palette, that "flip" between states.  The change is fast even when using
custom windoshapes.  Maybe this could be an option for you.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat Jan 30 16:53:37 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:53:37 -0500
Subject: stack blendlevel with opaque controls?
Message-ID: <2AA238E8-BBBF-467C-8DBA-22F256B8DCE5@wehostmacs.com>

I have this working on Windows, but to get it working on the Mac Rev  
will need to make a change to the way the windows are created  
(composite windows turned on).. That particular feature can only be  
turned on when the window is created, so either Rev has to do it or  
someone needs to find a way to intercept the window creation and add  
it.. Good luck with either of those..


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jan 30 17:07:46 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:07:46 -0800
Subject: stack blendlevel with opaque controls?
In-Reply-To: <2AA238E8-BBBF-467C-8DBA-22F256B8DCE5@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <C789EDB2.47979%scott@tactilemedia.com>

If you add an enhancement request in the RQQC, I'll vote for it, and I would
guess probably a few others would as well.

And since we're talking about enhancing windows and such, allow me to
shamelessly plug a couple of enhancement requests:

8542 - Enable Graphics To Act As Masks For Other Objects
Masking windows and objects would be a heck of a lot easier being able to
use graphics.

4198 - Setting stack's windowShape resets stack's shadow
Gonna need this one fixed if we want to make resizable custom windows cross
platform.


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Shao Sean wrote:

> I have this working on Windows, but to get it working on the Mac Rev
> will need to make a change to the way the windows are created
> (composite windows turned on).. That particular feature can only be
> turned on when the window is created, so either Rev has to do it or
> someone needs to find a way to intercept the window creation and add
> it.




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat Jan 30 17:52:49 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:52:49 -0500
Subject: stack blendlevel with opaque controls?
Message-ID: <A06D1DAA-6A6F-4E4E-9A3F-922E07D1A127@wehostmacs.com>

> 4198 - Setting stack's windowShape resets stack's shadow Gonna need  
> this one fixed if we want to make resizable custom windows cross  
> platform.

If you use my external you will notice setting any property with Rev  
will remove the property set with my external due to the fact that Rev  
kills and re-creates the window instead of setting the property flag  
on the window (this might be due to historical reasons with X-Windows  
and the Unix background of MetaCard).. Basically all the window  
settings (on the Mac anyways) can be turned on and off without the  
window flickering (can the windowID before and after and you will see  
that it is a new window every time)..
-Sean


From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Sat Jan 30 19:24:34 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:24:34 -0800
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>
References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001ce2aa3b9aca008475974f.1ce2ac@CreaTECHSol.com>

Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> on January 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM -0800 wrote:
>Honestly, does anyone seriously watch video, like movies and tv shows on
>their iTouch? Really??
I don when I am travelling all the time.  If the airline does not have
in-seat video displays, watching a video on my iPhone is far superior to
watching some move that I have probably already seen on some small screen
at some angle that I can't see.

******************************************
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CreaTECH Solutions
slynch at CreaTECHSol.com
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 19:28:35 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:28:35 -0600
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001ce2aa3b9aca008475974f.1ce2ac@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>
	<fc.009867af001ce2aa3b9aca008475974f.1ce2ac@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <5B50AC23-E5BE-4B79-9ED8-18273FEB03A9@earthlink.net>

I rarely watch videos on my iPhone because I want the battery to be there when I need to use it as a phone. BUT I watch them all the time on my iPod nano on long flights.  It's so much more convenient than hauling out my laptop. 
On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:24 PM, RevList wrote:

> Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> on January 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM -0800 wrote:
>> Honestly, does anyone seriously watch video, like movies and tv shows on
>> their iTouch? Really??
> I don when I am travelling all the time.  If the airline does not have
> in-seat video displays, watching a video on my iPhone is far superior to
> watching some move that I have probably already seen on some small screen
> at some angle that I can't see.
> 
> ******************************************
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> CreaTECH Solutions
> slynch at CreaTECHSol.com
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Jan 30 20:17:19 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:17:19 -0600
Subject: iPadding around?
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001ce2aa3b9aca008475974f.1ce2ac@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com>
	<fc.009867af001ce2aa3b9aca008475974f.1ce2ac@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com>

Bob, et al.,

I not only watch movies and tv on iPhone, but I read ALL of my books  
on Kindle for iPhone. Also use Barnes & Noble reader for iPhone. It's  
great, cheap, convenient. Easier to hold up an iPhone in bed and read  
than a hardback book...easier than even a paperback book. The Kindle  
app is very well done, too.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/greater-trev-to-rev-interoperability-and-more

On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:24 PM, RevList wrote:

> Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> on January 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM -0800  
> wrote:
>> Honestly, does anyone seriously watch video, like movies and tv  
>> shows on
>> their iTouch? Really??
> I don when I am travelling all the time.  If the airline does not have
> in-seat video displays, watching a video on my iPhone is far  
> superior to
> watching some move that I have probably already seen on some small  
> screen
> at some angle that I can't see.
>
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> CreaTECH Solutions
> slynch at CreaTECHSol.com
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 20:59:42 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:59:42 +0100
Subject: [ANN]The Slug is on the Road - Follow the creation of a new object
Message-ID: <64bda6471001301759m309abc97ta720f16d150093f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends,

First of all, a big thanks to Trevor DeVore to have shared with us the
Datagrid, an object of full possibilities and inspiration. 8-)
Thanks also to Richard Gaskin to have bring to my mind the concept of
behavior. 8-)

A road map of the birth of a new object is now available on my site :
a resizable field.
This object, I hope, will be in the spirit of the Datagrid object.

This object is intentionally very simple and I'm conscious that we
could do same with less code.

My idea was to write myself an object to give me keys to create more
powerful and interesting objects. And I'm now on the road for that. ;)

All my work will bring to you with code fully commented when I've
finished, in purpose to share these keys with you like:
- how to manage your own properties
- how to write your own error manager
- how to redraw your object (and all the object in the group) in edition
- how to create your own palette and library
- and I hope a lot of tips ;)

My site is a place of full share. It's most of all a site designed for
the community. Don't hesitate to send me feedback, advices, warning
and what you want about this new project ;)

Thanks a lot! 8-)

Stay tuned to http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=38&Itemid=60


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat Jan 30 23:04:51 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:04:51 -0800
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>
	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>

Was there a response to this? I'm seeing the same thing.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:

> Something changed in Rev Enterprise 4.0 from 3.5. When I compile standalones, the Mac standalone's icon is fine, but the Windows standalone's icon is noisy. When I compile the same stack under Rev 3.5, the Windows standalone's icon is fine. Anyone else see this? I have an Intel iMac running the last Tiger version.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bruce Pokras
> Blazing Dawn Software
> www.blazingdawn.com
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From runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com  Sun Jan 31 00:19:53 2010
From: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com (RunRevPlanet)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:19:53 +1100
Subject: RunRevPlanet Spell Checker video
In-Reply-To: <20100130180005.1A7D42880DD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100130180005.1A7D42880DD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4B6512F9.9010703@smpcs.server101.com>

Charles,

I would expect the SpellCheck Webinar should be here:

  http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/webinar-series/

But it's not -- perhaps an oversight that occurred with the makeover 
recently done at the RunRev website?

* Can I answer any particular questions?

* Or are the features that you would like to see in action, that I could 
put into a video on my YouTube channel?

  http://www.youtube.com/runrevplanet


-- 
Scott McDonald

RunRevPlanet.com
"Components, Stacks, Tools and Resources for Runtime Revolution"
www.runrevplanet.com

Scott McDonald PC Services
ABN: 20 586 027 242
PO Box 139
Newtown NSW 2042 Australia
Email: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 06:51:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:51:57 +0200
Subject: Capturing photographs
Message-ID: <4B656EDD.40408@gmail.com>

I just saw this:

http://sneakybastard.co.tv/

[actually quite jealous that the developer thought of that name for his 
software
before I did . . .  :)  ]

and wondered how it could be done using RunRev.

I have at my disposal:

1. a USB webcam.

2. a Firewire video source (manky old VHS camera piped throug a 
video-digitiser).

thought it would be "fun" to try to run up a stack/standalone that would 
capture
snapshots from either or both of these and built-in cameras and save them to
some folder or e-mail them somewhere else.

This is just a thought as have no time to do this sort of thing just now.


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Jan 31 07:01:27 2010
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:01:27 -1000
Subject: [ANN]The Slug is on the Road - Follow the creation of a new
	object
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001301759m309abc97ta720f16d150093f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001301759m309abc97ta720f16d150093f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001caa26d$1ec4cf30$5c4e6d90$@com>

I cannot resist... 

A woman sends her husband out to buy snails for escargot for dinner. At the
market he meets a gorgeous woman and being of little discipline and morals
spends the night with her. On returning home the next day, it finally dawns
on him what a terrible predicament he is in. He takes the bag of slugs and
throws them on his front steps. As his wife comes to the door he gets on his
knees and starts saying, "Come on, come on." Looking up at his perplexed
wife he says, "Leaving the market, the bag broke and you just cannot imagine
what a chore and how long it has taken to herd these slugs home."

I like your new site. It is nicely done. Yet... The picture of the slug on
the road reminded me of this. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini


zryip theSlug wrote:

> Hi friends,
> 
> First of all, a big thanks to Trevor DeVore to have shared with us the
> Datagrid, an object of full possibilities and inspiration. 8-)
> Thanks also to Richard Gaskin to have bring to my mind the concept of
> behavior. 8-)
> 
> A road map of the birth of a new object is now available on my site :
> a resizable field.
> This object, I hope, will be in the spirit of the Datagrid object.
> 
> This object is intentionally very simple and I'm conscious that we
> could do same with less code.
> 
> My idea was to write myself an object to give me keys to create more
> powerful and interesting objects. And I'm now on the road for that. ;)
> 
> All my work will bring to you with code fully commented when I've
> finished, in purpose to share these keys with you like:
> - how to manage your own properties
> - how to write your own error manager
> - how to redraw your object (and all the object in the group) in
> edition
> - how to create your own palette and library
> - and I hope a lot of tips ;)
> 
> My site is a place of full share. It's most of all a site designed for
> the community. Don't hesitate to send me feedback, advices, warning
> and what you want about this new project ;)
> 
> Thanks a lot! 8-)
> 
> Stay tuned to
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=categ
> ory&id=38&Itemid=60
> 
> 
> Regards,
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 07:18:33 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:18:33 +0200
Subject: [ANN]The Slug is on the Road - Follow the creation of a
	new	object
In-Reply-To: <000001caa26d$1ec4cf30$5c4e6d90$@com>
References: <64bda6471001301759m309abc97ta720f16d150093f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001caa26d$1ec4cf30$5c4e6d90$@com>
Message-ID: <4B657519.1090703@gmail.com>

On 31/01/2010 14:01, Jim Bufalini wrote:
> I cannot resist...
>
> A woman sends her husband out to buy snails for escargot for dinner. At the
> market he meets a gorgeous woman and being of little discipline and morals
> spends the night with her. On returning home the next day, it finally dawns
> on him what a terrible predicament he is in. He takes the bag of slugs and
> throws them on his front steps. As his wife comes to the door he gets on his
> knees and starts saying, "Come on, come on." Looking up at his perplexed
> wife he says, "Leaving the market, the bag broke and you just cannot imagine
> what a chore and how long it has taken to herd these slugs home."
>    

At which the woman replied, "Slugs are bald snails, just as that is a  
bare-faced lie."

> I like your new site. It is nicely done. Yet... The picture of the slug on
> the road reminded me of this. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
> zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> First of all, a big thanks to Trevor DeVore to have shared with us the
>> Datagrid, an object of full possibilities and inspiration. 8-)
>> Thanks also to Richard Gaskin to have bring to my mind the concept of
>> behavior. 8-)
>>
>> A road map of the birth of a new object is now available on my site :
>> a resizable field.
>> This object, I hope, will be in the spirit of the Datagrid object.
>>
>> This object is intentionally very simple and I'm conscious that we
>> could do same with less code.
>>
>> My idea was to write myself an object to give me keys to create more
>> powerful and interesting objects. And I'm now on the road for that. ;)
>>
>> All my work will bring to you with code fully commented when I've
>> finished, in purpose to share these keys with you like:
>> - how to manage your own properties
>> - how to write your own error manager
>> - how to redraw your object (and all the object in the group) in
>> edition
>> - how to create your own palette and library
>> - and I hope a lot of tips ;)
>>
>> My site is a place of full share. It's most of all a site designed for
>> the community. Don't hesitate to send me feedback, advices, warning
>> and what you want about this new project ;)
>>
>> Thanks a lot! 8-)
>>
>> Stay tuned to
>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=categ
>> ory&id=38&Itemid=60
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>> _______________________________________________
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 08:03:13 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:03:13 +0800
Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
Message-ID: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>

Whilst trying to track rawKeyUp messages I was having great success as
everything was straight ASCII, until I started to deal with DELETE, TAB, and
RETURN  keys.

Create a new stack and place this script into the Stack Script:
(this is a 3 line script, watch line wraps)

on rawKeyUp tKeyCode
    put numToChar(tKeyCode) & " is charToNum:" && tKeyCode & \
        cr & numToChar (tKeyCode) & "is keyCode:" && tKeyCode & \
        cr & "TAB is charToNum:" && charToNum(tab) & \
        cr & "CR is charToNum:" && charToNum(cr.) into msg
end rawKeyUp

If you start tapping keys you will see that tKeyCode is simply the ASCII
code equivalent. Great, this makes checking which key was pressed very easy.
There is no effect if modifier keys are pressed, i.e. option + 8 does not do
the ? (bullet) but produces 8 and it's ASCII 56. This lack of effect of
modifier keys is explained in the Rev Dictionary, so no problem there.

But when we get to DELETE, TAB and RETURN keys, things change, instead of
producing 8,9 and 10* we get 65288, 65289 and 65293* (on OS X) - Basically
65280 + the ASCII number*

This appears to be some kind of Unicode, except the Rev Dictionary says
useUnicode is a Local property which is normally False, so in this script,
as it was not set, it should be False.

So my first question is, does this appear to be correct behaviour as I don't
understand why the tKeyCode for DELETE, TAB and RETURN* does not just report
as 8, 9 and 10*?

*What constitutes RETURN in Rev is fully explained in the dictionary.
Although Unix use LF = ASCII 10, and Mac uses CR = ASCII 13, and Windows
uses CR+LF, 13 10; Rev in ALL cases uses LF = ASCII 10 as it's end of line
character.

So for rawKeyUp (and rawKeyDown) on Mac it appears to produce a tKeyCode of
65280 + 13 i.e. the ASCII for Mac CR, not Rev RETURN = LF (ASCII 10).

That then raises the next question. I'm hoping that the raw keycode for
DELETE and TAB on Unix/Linux, Mac and Win are all the same - 65288. 65289.
But I get the feeling that the keycode for RETURN (Enter) may be 65290 on
Unix/Linux, it is 65293 on my MBP, and absolutely no clue for Win.

Lastly, is there any chance that these codes may change if you are using an
Extended Keyboard or different keyboard layouts - i.e. MacBooks have
different layouts to MacBook Pros, which have separate Enter keys that have
a keyCode of 65421.

I'm on SnoLeo with a MBP.


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 10:11:36 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:11:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <591458.46658.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kay, 

Good find. On Windows XP behavior is you describe it. All non ASCII keys get 65280 added to their number.

Thanks, 
Mike 

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:03 AM
> Whilst trying to track rawKeyUp
> messages I was having great success as
> everything was straight ASCII, until I started to deal with
> DELETE, TAB, and
> RETURN? keys.
> 
> Create a new stack and place this script into the Stack
> Script:
> (this is a 3 line script, watch line wraps)
> 
> on rawKeyUp tKeyCode
> ? ? put numToChar(tKeyCode) & " is
> charToNum:" && tKeyCode & \
> ? ? ? ? cr & numToChar (tKeyCode)
> & "is keyCode:" && tKeyCode & \
> ? ? ? ? cr & "TAB is charToNum:"
> && charToNum(tab) & \
> ? ? ? ? cr & "CR is charToNum:"
> && charToNum(cr.) into msg
> end rawKeyUp
> 
> If you start tapping keys you will see that tKeyCode is
> simply the ASCII
> code equivalent. Great, this makes checking which key was
> pressed very easy.
> There is no effect if modifier keys are pressed, i.e.
> option + 8 does not do
> the ? (bullet) but produces 8 and it's ASCII 56. This
> lack of effect of
> modifier keys is explained in the Rev Dictionary, so no
> problem there.
> 
> But when we get to DELETE, TAB and RETURN keys, things
> change, instead of
> producing 8,9 and 10* we get 65288, 65289 and 65293* (on OS
> X) - Basically
> 65280 + the ASCII number*
> 
> This appears to be some kind of Unicode, except the Rev
> Dictionary says
> useUnicode is a Local property which is normally False, so
> in this script,
> as it was not set, it should be False.
> 
> So my first question is, does this appear to be correct
> behaviour as I don't
> understand why the tKeyCode for DELETE, TAB and RETURN*
> does not just report
> as 8, 9 and 10*?
> 
> *What constitutes RETURN in Rev is fully explained in the
> dictionary.
> Although Unix use LF = ASCII 10, and Mac uses CR = ASCII
> 13, and Windows
> uses CR+LF, 13 10; Rev in ALL cases uses LF = ASCII 10 as
> it's end of line
> character.
> 
> So for rawKeyUp (and rawKeyDown) on Mac it appears to
> produce a tKeyCode of
> 65280 + 13 i.e. the ASCII for Mac CR, not Rev RETURN = LF
> (ASCII 10).
> 
> That then raises the next question. I'm hoping that the raw
> keycode for
> DELETE and TAB on Unix/Linux, Mac and Win are all the same
> - 65288. 65289.
> But I get the feeling that the keycode for RETURN (Enter)
> may be 65290 on
> Unix/Linux, it is 65293 on my MBP, and absolutely no clue
> for Win.
> 
> Lastly, is there any chance that these codes may change if
> you are using an
> Extended Keyboard or different keyboard layouts - i.e.
> MacBooks have
> different layouts to MacBook Pros, which have separate
> Enter keys that have
> a keyCode of 65421.
> 
> I'm on SnoLeo with a MBP.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 10:16:24 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:16:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
In-Reply-To: <591458.46658.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <538886.38162.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kay, "Enter" on XP is 65293, as on your MBP (by the way, what is MBP?)

------------------
Kay wrote:

But I get the feeling that the keycode for RETURN (Enter)
may be 65290 on Unix/Linux, it is 65293 on my MBP, and absolutely no clue
for Win.

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:11 AM
> Kay, 
> 
> Good find. On Windows XP behavior is as you describe it. All
> non ASCII keys get 65280 added to their number.
> 
> Thanks, 
> Mike 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or
> Down)
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:03 AM
> > Whilst trying to track rawKeyUp
> > messages I was having great success as
> > everything was straight ASCII, until I started to deal
> with
> > DELETE, TAB, and
> > RETURN? keys.
> > 
> > Create a new stack and place this script into the
> Stack
> > Script:
> > (this is a 3 line script, watch line wraps)
> > 
> > on rawKeyUp tKeyCode
> > ? ? put numToChar(tKeyCode) & " is
> > charToNum:" && tKeyCode & \
> > ? ? ? ? cr & numToChar (tKeyCode)
> > & "is keyCode:" && tKeyCode & \
> > ? ? ? ? cr & "TAB is charToNum:"
> > && charToNum(tab) & \
> > ? ? ? ? cr & "CR is charToNum:"
> > && charToNum(cr.) into msg
> > end rawKeyUp
> > 
> > If you start tapping keys you will see that tKeyCode
> is
> > simply the ASCII
> > code equivalent. Great, this makes checking which key
> was
> > pressed very easy.
> > There is no effect if modifier keys are pressed, i.e.
> > option + 8 does not do
> > the ? (bullet) but produces 8 and it's ASCII 56.
> This
> > lack of effect of
> > modifier keys is explained in the Rev Dictionary, so
> no
> > problem there.
> > 
> > But when we get to DELETE, TAB and RETURN keys,
> things
> > change, instead of
> > producing 8,9 and 10* we get 65288, 65289 and 65293*
> (on OS
> > X) - Basically
> > 65280 + the ASCII number*
> > 
> > This appears to be some kind of Unicode, except the
> Rev
> > Dictionary says
> > useUnicode is a Local property which is normally
> False, so
> > in this script,
> > as it was not set, it should be False.
> > 
> > So my first question is, does this appear to be
> correct
> > behaviour as I don't
> > understand why the tKeyCode for DELETE, TAB and
> RETURN*
> > does not just report
> > as 8, 9 and 10*?
> > 
> > *What constitutes RETURN in Rev is fully explained in
> the
> > dictionary.
> > Although Unix use LF = ASCII 10, and Mac uses CR =
> ASCII
> > 13, and Windows
> > uses CR+LF, 13 10; Rev in ALL cases uses LF = ASCII 10
> as
> > it's end of line
> > character.
> > 
> > So for rawKeyUp (and rawKeyDown) on Mac it appears to
> > produce a tKeyCode of
> > 65280 + 13 i.e. the ASCII for Mac CR, not Rev RETURN =
> LF
> > (ASCII 10).
> > 
> > That then raises the next question. I'm hoping that
> the raw
> > keycode for
> > DELETE and TAB on Unix/Linux, Mac and Win are all the
> same
> > - 65288. 65289.
> > But I get the feeling that the keycode for RETURN
> (Enter)
> > may be 65290 on
> > Unix/Linux, it is 65293 on my MBP, and absolutely no
> clue
> > for Win.
> > 
> > Lastly, is there any chance that these codes may
> change if
> > you are using an
> > Extended Keyboard or different keyboard layouts -
> i.e.
> > MacBooks have
> > different layouts to MacBook Pros, which have
> separate
> > Enter keys that have
> > a keyCode of 65421.
> > 
> > I'm on SnoLeo with a MBP.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
> manage
> > your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Jan 31 10:40:58 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:40:58 -0800
Subject: Prevent Keylogging
Message-ID: <485E7742-A581-4B48-969B-488BD8B2496B@mac.com>

Shao Sean's excellent ssMacWindows external has a feature that prevents keylogging on the Mac. Is there a similar external or something else available on Windows that does the same thing?

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 31 13:04:09 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:04:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1264961049112-1458117.post@n4.nabble.com>


enter 65421
return 65293
tab 65289
delete (backspace) 65288
delete 65535

Debian Linux with a mac aluminum keyboard, the full sized one, on Fluxbox. 
With the " and @ keys in the wrong places, and I can't be bothered to fix
it.  Using Sarah's key coder application.  Great help, that.

Peter

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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sun Jan 31 13:45:14 2010
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:45:14 -0800
Subject: revWeb User Guide?
In-Reply-To: <20100131180005.08A692880E3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100131180005.08A692880E3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1935E630-2E43-4689-9525-9A9038DE66E3@clearvisiontech.com>

Greeting!

Is there a revWeb user guide?   I can't seem to find one in the Docs or online.  I have experimented with it and there are some things you can't do (or I am doing wrong) in revWeb that you can in a standalone.  It would be nice to have some documentation, or at least a list of "things you can't do in revWeb".

Thank you in advance,
-Dan

From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 13:59:03 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: revWeb User Guide?
In-Reply-To: <1935E630-2E43-4689-9525-9A9038DE66E3@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <307678.78126.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Dan,

In the dictionary (under help on the menubar) each entry is labeled for desktop, web, and server. You can sort by that field and find the combination that you need. 

Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com> wrote:

> From: Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com>
> Subject: revWeb User Guide?
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:45 PM
> Greeting!
> 
> Is there a revWeb user guide????I can't seem
> to find one in the Docs or online.? I have experimented
> with it and there are some things you can't do (or I am
> doing wrong) in revWeb that you can in a standalone.?
> It would be nice to have some documentation, or at least a
> list of "things you can't do in revWeb".
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> -Dan_______________________________________________
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 31 14:15:58 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:15:58 -0500
Subject: Windows title reduced to a single character
In-Reply-To: <56B05E71-C19C-4615-B80A-9D318EA22B76@wehostmacs.com>
References: <56B05E71-C19C-4615-B80A-9D318EA22B76@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4A9574D0-243E-4BEE-857E-4EA2FDC543D1@mac.com>

I would love to beta test your external.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one?
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 31 14:37:07 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:37:07 -0500
Subject: Capturing photographs
In-Reply-To: <4B656EDD.40408@gmail.com>
References: <4B656EDD.40408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44784CB8-9E0C-4A85-AB26-A707F97B33C6@mac.com>

 I built something similar in runRev but had to use Applescript to accomplish most of it. It takes a picture and then emails it to me.

I had to cover up the little light on the iSight with black tape.

PS I managed to 'catch' someone at the office going on my computer after I had left. It sent the picture to my iPhone and I was able to turn around and head back to the office.

Not perfect or finished but interesting anyway.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I just saw this:
> 
> http://sneakybastard.co.tv/
> 
> [actually quite jealous that the developer thought of that name for his software
> before I did . . .  :)  ]
> 
> and wondered how it could be done using RunRev.
> 
> I have at my disposal:
> 
> 1. a USB webcam.
> 
> 2. a Firewire video source (manky old VHS camera piped throug a video-digitiser).
> 
> thought it would be "fun" to try to run up a stack/standalone that would capture
> snapshots from either or both of these and built-in cameras and save them to
> some folder or e-mail them somewhere else.
> 
> This is just a thought as have no time to do this sort of thing just now.
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From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 31 14:40:00 2010
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:40:00 -0500
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>
	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
	<5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5AC3F818-BD1D-4808-B229-1FC00FD1F83C@embarqmail.com>

You are the first to say that you are also experiencing the problem.  
So I am not alone!

On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Was there a response to this? I'm seeing the same thing.
>
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your  
> important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
>
> On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>
>> Something changed in Rev Enterprise 4.0 from 3.5. When I compile  
>> standalones, the Mac standalone's icon is fine, but the Windows  
>> standalone's icon is noisy. When I compile the same stack under  
>> Rev 3.5, the Windows standalone's icon is fine. Anyone else see  
>> this? I have an Intel iMac running the last Tiger version.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bruce Pokras
>> Blazing Dawn Software
>> www.blazingdawn.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 31 15:16:34 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:16:34 -0600
Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

> So my first question is, does this appear to be correct behaviour as I don't
> understand why the tKeyCode for DELETE, TAB and RETURN* does not just report
> as 8, 9 and 10*?

I'm not sure, but it's been this way since forever. And you didn't even 
get to the arrow keys yet. :)

> That then raises the next question. I'm hoping that the raw keycode for
> DELETE and TAB on Unix/Linux, Mac and Win are all the same - 65288. 65289.
> But I get the feeling that the keycode for RETURN (Enter) may be 65290 on
> Unix/Linux, it is 65293 on my MBP, and absolutely no clue for Win.

I've used the same numbers cross-platform for years without any problem.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 31 15:24:28 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:24:28 -0600
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
	<5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B65E6FC.1090902@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> Was there a response to this? I'm seeing the same thing.

> On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
> 
>> Something changed in Rev Enterprise 4.0 from 3.5. When I compile
>> standalones, the Mac standalone's icon is fine, but the Windows
>> standalone's icon is noisy. When I compile the same stack under Rev
>> 3.5, the Windows standalone's icon is fine. Anyone else see this? I
>> have an Intel iMac running the last Tiger version.

Yes, the standalone builder was altered in several ways, one of which 
was to support a more standard API for Windows resources. From the 
engine change log:

***
The method by which standalone building is done has changed in this 
release. Standalones are now built in such a way that they behave much 
better as executable files on all three platforms. In particular, 
Revolution standalone executables can now:
   - be digitally signed using the various OS tools on Windows and Mac OS X
   - have arbitrarily sized document and application ICO files used on 
Windows
   - have their resources edited on Windows
   - be used with various third-party executable processing tools (such 
as compressors, trial run makers, network key wrappers etc.)
***

If you're having a problem, you should probably submit a bug report. 
Although, if you didn't use a Windows icon editor to create your Windows 
app icons, I'd try that first.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 31 15:28:39 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:39 -0800
Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down)
In-Reply-To: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f73a98161001310503q4611fddwfd312f559a81cd17@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:16:34 PM, you wrote:

> Kay C Lan wrote:

>> So my first question is, does this appear to be correct behaviour as I don't
>> understand why the tKeyCode for DELETE, TAB and RETURN* does not just report
>> as 8, 9 and 10*?

> I'm not sure, but it's been this way since forever. And you didn't even
> get to the arrow keys yet. :)

I'm not really sure whay this is a Big Deal...

put numtochar(65289) is tab

returns true

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Sun Jan 31 15:29:58 2010
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:58 -0800
Subject: Checkbox on DataGrid
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001ce3af009867af001ce3af.1ce3ed@CreaTECHSol.com>

I have a datagrid that retrieves data from a MySQL database.  I want to
add a checkbox column to the grid so I have edited the template and added
the checkbox to the group and it displays just fine on the grid.  I can
check or uncheck the checkbox and the appropriate hilite is set.  However,
when I scroll the datagrid, the checkbox appears in the same location on
the next scroll screen too.  I am missing something.  

******************************************
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CreaTECH Solutions
slynch at CreaTECHSol.com

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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 17:39:40 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:39:40 +0100
Subject: [ANN]The Slug is on the Road - Follow the creation of a new 
	object
In-Reply-To: <000001caa26d$1ec4cf30$5c4e6d90$@com>
References: <64bda6471001301759m309abc97ta720f16d150093f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001caa26d$1ec4cf30$5c4e6d90$@com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001311439v367e181fia892439a744a9145@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/31 Jim Bufalini <jim at visitrieve.com>:
> A woman sends her husband out to buy snails for escargot for dinner. At the
> market he meets a gorgeous woman and being of little discipline and morals
> spends the night with her. On returning home the next day, it finally dawns
> on him what a terrible predicament he is in. He takes the bag of slugs and
> throws them on his front steps. As his wife comes to the door he gets on his
> knees and starts saying, "Come on, come on." Looking up at his perplexed
> wife he says, "Leaving the market, the bag broke and you just cannot imagine
> what a chore and how long it has taken to herd these slugs home."

Huhu 8-)

> I like your new site. It is nicely done. Yet... The picture of the slug on
> the road reminded me of this. ;-)

Thanks for the compliment and the story ;)


2010/1/31 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> At which the woman replied, "Slugs are bald snails, just as that is a
>  bare-faced lie."

8-)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 17:46:50 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:46:50 +0100
Subject: [ANN]The Slug is on the Road - Follow the creation of a new 
	object
In-Reply-To: <64bda6471001311439v367e181fia892439a744a9145@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bda6471001301759m309abc97ta720f16d150093f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001caa26d$1ec4cf30$5c4e6d90$@com>
	<64bda6471001311439v367e181fia892439a744a9145@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64bda6471001311446u667a6a43vd4f66cc012b48ed1@mail.gmail.com>

I just updated to show how the object is currently structured.

With a toolbar in head and a footer it could be well become more than
a simple resize field ;)


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 18:10:20 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:10:20 +1000
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>
	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
	<5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001311510t2e0c34d2qf710e32fb1948ccf@mail.gmail.com>

I have noticed this in my Windows apps for ever, but are you saying
that if I build the apps under Windows, this problem will disappear?
I don't know why it happens, but if this is a valid work-around, then I'm happy.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> Was there a response to this? I'm seeing the same thing.
>
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
>
> On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>
>> Something changed in Rev Enterprise 4.0 from 3.5. When I compile standalones, the Mac standalone's icon is fine, but the Windows standalone's icon is noisy. When I compile the same stack under Rev 3.5, the Windows standalone's icon is fine. Anyone else see this? I have an Intel iMac running the last Tiger version.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bruce Pokras
>> Blazing Dawn Software
>> www.blazingdawn.com
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 18:15:24 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:15:24 +1000
Subject: Capturing photographs
In-Reply-To: <4B656EDD.40408@gmail.com>
References: <4B656EDD.40408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52861001311515w64011ae5me0ca1e7af40bf9f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just saw this:
>
> http://sneakybastard.co.tv/
>
> [actually quite jealous that the developer thought of that name for his
> software
> before I did . . . ?:) ?]
>
> and wondered how it could be done using RunRev.
>
> I have at my disposal:
>
> 1. a USB webcam.
>
> 2. a Firewire video source (manky old VHS camera piped throug a
> video-digitiser).


I have a system of cameras and use Security Spy
<http://www.securityspy.com/> to monitor them and to do the motion
detection. Then I have  Rev app that keeps track of the number of
files that Security Spy saves and if the number increases beyond my
set limits and within certain time frames, my app does other forms of
alert: email, SMS, phone calls etc.

To do it all in Rev, I guess you need the revVideoGrabber to keep
monitoring the camera and storing snapshots. It would have to compare
the imageData with the previous data and work out of there was enough
change to be considered as detected motion. That is the tricky bit and
it needs to be fast too.

Cheers,
Sarah


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Jan 31 20:01:57 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:57 -0800
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001311510t2e0c34d2qf710e32fb1948ccf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>
	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
	<5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001311510t2e0c34d2qf710e32fb1948ccf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <383FA17E-9835-4AEB-8E38-503A5782C7A9@mac.com>

This isn't a very satisfying answer. It should either work right like is looks like it is supposed to or Rev should just not allow it.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I have noticed this in my Windows apps for ever, but are you saying
> that if I build the apps under Windows, this problem will disappear?
> I don't know why it happens, but if this is a valid work-around, then I'm happy.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
>> Was there a response to this? I'm seeing the same thing.
>> 
>> Bill Vlahos
>> _________________
>> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>> 
>>> Something changed in Rev Enterprise 4.0 from 3.5. When I compile standalones, the Mac standalone's icon is fine, but the Windows standalone's icon is noisy. When I compile the same stack under Rev 3.5, the Windows standalone's icon is fine. Anyone else see this? I have an Intel iMac running the last Tiger version.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Bruce Pokras
>>> Blazing Dawn Software
>>> www.blazingdawn.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 31 21:37:40 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:37:40 -0600
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <f99b52861001311510t2e0c34d2qf710e32fb1948ccf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>	<5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001311510t2e0c34d2qf710e32fb1948ccf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B663E74.7090600@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> I have noticed this in my Windows apps for ever, but are you saying
> that if I build the apps under Windows, this problem will disappear?
> I don't know why it happens, but if this is a valid work-around, then I'm happy.

I can't say for sure, I've never used the default Rev app icons for 
anything except quick tests on my Mac. For cross-platform client work 
I've always used custom app icons, which I create with IcoFX on Windows 
(it's free and it works great.) They've always been fine so I didn't 
know until now there was ever a problem.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Jan 31 23:47:55 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:47:55 -0800
Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac
In-Reply-To: <4B663E74.7090600@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com>
	<E42AE4DC-7E32-4E69-A676-FFEE0C987DA9@embarqmail.com>
	<5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com>
	<f99b52861001311510t2e0c34d2qf710e32fb1948ccf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B663E74.7090600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E76703D3-89A3-4775-8678-D8ACEAE2A36E@mac.com>

Good news.

I converted the Mac .icns file to Windows .ico format using IcoFX on Windows. Now a Windows build icon looks good even though it was built on the Mac.

I guess Rev 3.5 was able to make a better build image from the flawed original .ico file than Rev 4.

Thanks for the suggestions Sarah and Jacqueline.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> I have noticed this in my Windows apps for ever, but are you saying
>> that if I build the apps under Windows, this problem will disappear?
>> I don't know why it happens, but if this is a valid work-around, then I'm happy.
> 
> I can't say for sure, I've never used the default Rev app icons for anything except quick tests on my Mac. For cross-platform client work I've always used custom app icons, which I create with IcoFX on Windows (it's free and it works great.) They've always been fine so I didn't know until now there was ever a problem.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Jan 31 23:54:36 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:54:36 -0500
Subject: Prevent Keylogging
Message-ID: <0E6885FF-108B-4FC3-88D3-3425FFC9E7B1@wehostmacs.com>

Mac OS X has this feature built in at the OS level and there is not  
anything in Windows (that I found, but I will look again and ask  
around), might need to be custom code..