From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 03:05:16 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:05:16 +0800 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: OK folks, thanks for the replies. As Jacque the expert said, Rev has figured this out to work cross platform long ago. The issue doesn't appear to be the keyCode, but the naming convention. So to summarise, I'll refer to the keyboard image here: http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ follow the gallery link to the plan view photo. Firstly I'll note these naming issues Delete (backspace) - this is the key to the right of +=, Delete (not backspace) - I don't have one of those, Peter has one though! Return (marked Enter Return on Mac keyboards) - right of the quote, double quote key Enter (not Return) - not in the photo, but on my keyboard it is two keys right of the spacebar, where the Option key is in the photo. On Win I'm guessing the Enter key is in the same location as the Mac Return key? Mac Win Linux Delete (backspace) 65288 65288 65288 Tab 65289 65289 65289 Return (Enter) 65293 65293 65293 Left Arrow 65361 ? ? Up Arrow 65362 ? ? Right Arrow 65363 ? ? Down Arrow 65364 ? ? Enter (not Return) 65421 ? 65421 Delete (not Backspace) ? ? 65535 I'm guessing the ? will fill out to be corresponding numbers across platforms. Thanks From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 03:18:21 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:18:21 +0200 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> On 01/02/2010 10:05, Kay C Lan wrote: > OK folks, thanks for the replies. As Jacque the expert said, Rev has figured > this out to work cross platform long ago. The issue doesn't appear to be the > keyCode, but the naming convention. > > So to summarise, I'll refer to the keyboard image here: > > http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ > That one has no numeric keypad or those navigation buttons between the letter and the numeric keys. I suspect most people have keyboard like this: http://2aday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/apple-bt-keyboard.jpg I have one of these: http://www.recycledgoods.com/zoom_s_p_13784_1.jpg.ashx attached to my G4 because my 'biggy' keyboard is currently attached to a linux box and I find the original G3 iMac keyboard more to my taste. > follow the gallery link to the plan view photo. > > Firstly I'll note these naming issues > > Delete (backspace) - this is the key to the right of +=, > Delete (not backspace) - I don't have one of those, Peter has one though! > Return (marked Enter Return on Mac keyboards) - right of the quote, double > quote key > Enter (not Return) - not in the photo, but on my keyboard it is two keys > right of the spacebar, where the Option key is in the photo. > On Win I'm guessing the Enter key is in the same location as the Mac Return > key? > > Mac Win Linux > Delete (backspace) 65288 65288 65288 > Tab 65289 65289 65289 > Return (Enter) 65293 65293 65293 > Left Arrow 65361 ? ? > Up Arrow 65362 ? ? > Right Arrow 65363 ? ? > Down Arrow 65364 ? ? > Enter (not Return) 65421 ? 65421 > Delete (not Backspace) ? ? 65535 > > I'm guessing the ? will fill out to be corresponding numbers across > platforms. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 03:24:35 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:24:35 +0200 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4B668FC3.4010101@gmail.com> On 01/02/2010 10:05, Kay C Lan wrote: > Mac Win Linux > Delete (backspace) 65288 65288 65288 > Tab 65289 65289 65289 > Return (Enter) 65293 65293 65293 > Left Arrow 65361 ? ? > Up Arrow 65362 ? ? > Right Arrow 65363 ? ? > Down Arrow 65364 ? ? > Enter (not Return) 65421 ? 65421 > Delete (not Backspace) ? ? 65535 > > Check these: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/KEYDOWNER.rev.zip Love, Richmond. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 03:56:34 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:56:34 +0800 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ >> >> > That one has no numeric keypad or those navigation buttons between the > letter and > the numeric keys. > > I suspect most people have keyboard like this: > > http://2aday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/apple-bt-keyboard.jpg > > Ah, I was looking for a photo like that. So I take it the Delete (not backspace) key that Peter is referring to is the one below the Help key. The Enter (not Return) key is the one associated with the numeric keypad. Thanks From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Mon Feb 1 04:51:19 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:51:19 +0100 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kay it would be a very useful add-on to put a complete table of the rawkey numbers as user contributed notes in the dictionnary, under rawkeyup and rawkeydown. As you did the deciphering work, "A vous l'honneur" ... after completing the table with the mousewheel and so on ;-) looking forward to read you in the dictionary ! Jacques Le 1 f?vr. 2010 ? 09:56, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Richmond Mathewson < > richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ >>> >>> >> That one has no numeric keypad or those navigation buttons between the >> letter and >> the numeric keys. >> >> I suspect most people have keyboard like this: >> >> http://2aday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/apple-bt-keyboard.jpg >> >> Ah, I was looking for a photo like that. So I take it the Delete (not > backspace) key that Peter is referring to is the one below the Help key. The > Enter (not Return) key is the one associated with the numeric keypad. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 05:31:49 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:31:49 +0800 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jacques, Let me guess, with an ability to 'volunteer' others, you must have spent time as an Officer in the military? ;-) On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote: > Hi Kay > > it would be a very useful add-on to put a complete table of the rawkey > numbers as user contributed notes in the dictionnary, under rawkeyup and > rawkeydown. As you did the deciphering work, "A vous l'honneur" ... after > completing the table with the mousewheel and so on ;-) > > looking forward to read you in the dictionary ! > > Jacques > > > Le 1 f?vr. 2010 ? 09:56, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Richmond Mathewson < > > richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ > >>> > >>> > >> That one has no numeric keypad or those navigation buttons between the > >> letter and > >> the numeric keys. > >> > >> I suspect most people have keyboard like this: > >> > >> http://2aday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/apple-bt-keyboard.jpg > >> > >> Ah, I was looking for a photo like that. So I take it the Delete (not > > backspace) key that Peter is referring to is the one below the Help key. > The > > Enter (not Return) key is the one associated with the numeric keypad. > > > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > ****************************************** > Prof. Jacques Hausser > Department of Ecology and Evolution > Biophore / Sorge > University of Lausanne > CH 1015 Lausanne > please use my private address: > 6 route de Burtigny > CH-1269 Bassins > tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 > mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 > E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Mon Feb 1 06:08:19 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:08:19 +0100 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> Le 1 f?vr. 2010 ? 11:31, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > Jacques, > > Let me guess, with an ability to 'volunteer' others, you must have spent > time as an Officer in the military? ;-) No, as surprising as it can seem, I was a mere private, mostly peeling potatoes in the field kitchen and totally lacking of any motivation... Jacques > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote: > >> Hi Kay >> >> it would be a very useful add-on to put a complete table of the rawkey >> numbers as user contributed notes in the dictionnary, under rawkeyup and >> rawkeydown. As you did the deciphering work, "A vous l'honneur" ... after >> completing the table with the mousewheel and so on ;-) >> >> looking forward to read you in the dictionary ! >> >> Jacques >> >> >> Le 1 f?vr. 2010 ? 09:56, Kay C Lan a ?crit : >> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Richmond Mathewson < >>> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That one has no numeric keypad or those navigation buttons between the >>>> letter and >>>> the numeric keys. >>>> >>>> I suspect most people have keyboard like this: >>>> >>>> http://2aday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/apple-bt-keyboard.jpg >>>> >>>> Ah, I was looking for a photo like that. So I take it the Delete (not >>> backspace) key that Peter is referring to is the one below the Help key. >> The >>> Enter (not Return) key is the one associated with the numeric keypad. >>> >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> ****************************************** >> Prof. Jacques Hausser >> Department of Ecology and Evolution >> Biophore / Sorge >> University of Lausanne >> CH 1015 Lausanne >> please use my private address: >> 6 route de Burtigny >> CH-1269 Bassins >> tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 >> mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 >> E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch >> ******************************************* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 06:43:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:43:29 +0200 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> Message-ID: <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> What I did in my lunch break: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/rawKeys.jpg sincerely, Richmond. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 06:51:32 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:51:32 +0000 Subject: Cannot close process after calling 'launch' to browser path In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry Mark, I didn't see this email of yours until today. I think the problem with you being unable to close the browser this way is that although the 'launch' command opens a GUI program and lists the program in the openProcesses/openProcessIDs, a program launched in this way does not respond to "close process" (presumably because the process does not leave open stdio). Anyway, there is a way to do it, but its a tad messy (see the Dictionary entry for 'kill'): put the openProcessIds into tIDList repeat for each line tID in tIDList -- kill all open processes kill 9 process tID end repeat Of course you may want to kill only 1 of the openProcesses, so you will need to fashion a way to identify your open process from the others. I guess the best thing in such a situation is to keep a dictionary of process name to process id mappings - then you can find the id from your process name and kill it. Choosing to kill by process path/name does not work in my experience. I hope that is of some help. Regards, Bernard On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Mark E. Powell wrote: > I am using 'launch' to open HTML reports from my standalone: > > put word 1 of queryRegistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\http\shell\open\command\") into tBrowserPath > launch vLongFileName ?with tBrowserPath > > This works for the first report of a standalone session. ?It works if the browser window for report 1 is closed before doing subsequent reports. ?However, it returns 'process is already open' in all other cases. > > I have explicitly tried closing the tBrowserPath process, and have tried closing all open processes, but it does not prevent the return of 'process already open'. > > What am I missing? From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 1 07:23:33 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:23:33 -0500 Subject: Checkbox on DataGrid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:29 PM, RevList wrote: > I have a datagrid that retrieves data from a MySQL database. I want > to > add a checkbox column to the grid so I have edited the template and > added > the checkbox to the group and it displays just fine on the grid. I > can > check or uncheck the checkbox and the appropriate hilite is set. > However, > when I scroll the datagrid, the checkbox appears in the same > location on > the next scroll screen too. I am missing something. Not sure I understand what is happening. Can you post a screenshot somewhere? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Mon Feb 1 07:58:46 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:58:46 +0100 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Useful, I'll keep it in my docs! Thanks Jacques Le 1 f?vr. 2010 ? 12:43, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > What I did in my lunch break: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/rawKeys.jpg > > sincerely, Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From edljr at mac.com Mon Feb 1 08:19:12 2010 From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:19:12 -0600 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Richmond, I concur with Jacques; this is very helpful. Thanks for putting this together. Now, we just need a PC version. Ed On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > What I did in my lunch break: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/rawKeys.jpg > > sincerely, Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 08:45:25 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:45:25 +0800 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, Very nice. If only we could get jpgs into the Rev Dictionary. Now all you have to do is add the Shift numbers as well :-) On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > What I did in my lunch break: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/rawKeys.jpg > > sincerely, Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 10:12:08 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:12:08 +0200 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B66EF48.4030604@gmail.com> On 01/02/2010 15:45, Kay C Lan wrote: > Richmond, > > Very nice. If only we could get jpgs into the Rev Dictionary. Now all you > have to do is add the Shift numbers as well :-) > Humpf . . . and the Ctrl/Alt and the Shift/Ctrl ones . . . probably take me the rest of the week; but I'll do it. > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Richmond Mathewson< > richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> What I did in my lunch break: >> >> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/rawKeys.jpg >> >> sincerely, Richmond. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 10:20:33 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:20:33 -0600 Subject: Checkbox on DataGrid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <963c86eb1002010720j35d17fe1wc04291dd0f73ad73@mail.gmail.com> Stewart, You just forgot to put "of me" in the behavior script for the data grid when referencing the checkbox (like in the layout and fill data functions). Jeff M. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:29 PM, RevList wrote: > I have a datagrid that retrieves data from a MySQL database. I want to > add a checkbox column to the grid so I have edited the template and added > the checkbox to the group and it displays just fine on the grid. I can > check or uncheck the checkbox and the appropriate hilite is set. However, > when I scroll the datagrid, the checkbox appears in the same location on > the next scroll screen too. I am missing something. > > From livfoss at mac.com Mon Feb 1 10:37:49 2010 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:37:49 +0100 Subject: Magnifier Reference Message-ID: I know this has been done before, but I don't know where to look for the example, so I'm asking here. The idea is that the mouse turns into a magnifying glass over a bitmap image, so that under a circular area centred at the mouseLoc, one sees an enlarged version of the part of the image 'beneath' the glass. I already have two versions of my image - the one the user sees, which is reduced in scale, and the larger-scale original, which is hidden from the user - so I have the material to 'feed' to the magnifier, but I would really like to avoid reinventing the necessary code. TIA Graham From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 1 10:52:18 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:52:18 EST Subject: Magnifier Reference Message-ID: <681.7747f760.389852b2@aol.com> Jacques wrote a gadget that does this. Madam? Craig Newman From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 1 11:00:13 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:00:13 EST Subject: post factum Background behavior? Message-ID: This is one aspect of HC that trumps the group concept in Rev. You can simply take an object and move it the bg. Or create a new bg object. The "workaround" in Rev, to explicilty group and then place an object on any or all cards is internally consistent and sound, but I still miss that built-in object class. I need to do this all the time, and wrote a utility that just makes it happen. Craig Newman From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 1 11:06:03 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 06:06:03 -1000 Subject: Magnifier Reference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201caa358$74df20f0$5e9d62d0$@com> Graham Samuel wrote > I know this has been done before, but I don't know where to look for > the example, so I'm asking here. The idea is that the mouse turns into > a magnifying glass over a bitmap image, so that under a circular area > centred at the mouseLoc, one sees an enlarged version of the part of > the image 'beneath' the glass. I already have two versions of my image > - the one the user sees, which is reduced in scale, and the larger- > scale original, which is hidden from the user - so I have the material > to 'feed' to the magnifier, but I would really like to avoid > reinventing the necessary code. Guides Picker towards the bottom of here: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en and How to magnify images at the very bottom of here: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From sniderl at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 11:35:09 2010 From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:35:09 -0500 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com> <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com> <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com> <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> An opinion from a list lurker... I would very much appreciate further development of a Linux version of Rev. (And any other UNIX-type OS for that matter...) !!(In fact, I would, more importantly, like the ability to compile command-line programs! I could very easily write CGI tools for the web that would not require ANY plug-in. Sorry. I'm not a fan of special GUI web programming.)!! One aspect that apparently is not given much consideration is the enterprise/infrastructure. Not everyone develops for profit. Some people, like me, need a rapid development tool that can meet the needs of the users quickly and reliably. My company has zero Macs at this facility but we have thousands of Windows PCs and many, many Linux and Solaris servers. Yes, Solaris and HP-UX are still very alive in the enterprise arena so if there were a RunRev version available to me for those OSs I would be all over it. So, for all the naysayers who only want their preferred OS to survive to mature development then request away. You're only screwing everyone else. There's a whole other world out there to be discovered/considered. I've been a Windows/*NIX system administrator for many years now an IS security manager. That is where I'm coming from. Larry On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > well, linux has gone to many places including mobile appliances, servers and > many desktops. > > I am at a conference with 6.000 most of them running free software... > > My goverment is using free software to power our elections, the source code > of the eletronic machines is available, that adds a lot of transparency. > Also most of the software that runs the internet, not the clients but the > whole server side part are based on F/OSS... I would not say it went > nowhere... > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: > >> >> On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> > Bob, >> > >> > Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never >> > underestimate the power of that combination. >> >> Why not? Hasn't gone anywhere yet. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 1 12:41:49 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:41:49 -0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com> <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com> <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com> <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <165243965015.20100201094149@ahsoftware.net> Larry- Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:35:09 AM, you wrote: > !!(In fact, I would, more importantly, like the ability to compile > command-line programs! I could very easily write CGI tools for the > web that would not require ANY plug-in. Sorry. I'm not a fan of > special GUI web programming.)!! The only "problem" with creating standalone commandline programs is that they currently need to carry the engine baggage with them, so they're each bloated by some 2 megabytes of library data. Okay - one other problem: the engine eats some of the commandline arguments itself and they're not well documented, so you have to tread a bit carefully. Other than that it's quite a useful technique. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 1 14:33:34 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:33:34 -0600 Subject: Magnifier Reference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B672C8E.8030805@hyperactivesw.com> Graham Samuel wrote: > I know this has been done before, but I don't know where to look for > the example, so I'm asking here. The idea is that the mouse turns > into a magnifying glass over a bitmap image, so that under a circular > area centred at the mouseLoc, one sees an enlarged version of the > part of the image 'beneath' the glass. Mine isn't circular, but I posted a way to do this on RevOnline. Search for "magnify an image", or look up my profile to see a list of my stack uploads. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 15:18:07 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:18:07 +0200 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6736FF.4050808@gmail.com> On 01/02/2010 15:45, Kay C Lan wrote: > Richmond, > > Very nice. If only we could get jpgs into the Rev Dictionary. Now all you > have to do is add the Shift numbers as well :-) > Here are rawKeyDown pictures for DEFAULT and SHIFT: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/rawKeys.zip [be warned; the previous version was incorrect as to the Z-key] The OPTION/ALT keyDown and OPT/ALT+SHIFT keyDown rawKey outputs are the same as the DEFAULT and SHIFT RESPECTIVELY. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 16:15:06 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:15:06 +0200 Subject: [OT] .eml format Message-ID: <4B67445A.2040808@gmail.com> Somebody sent my wife a document with .eml as the suffix; this is from Microsoft Entourage or Outlook Express. This is just fine and dandy if you have bought into the Microsoft "thang"; but we haven't. Thunderbird: http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/ opened the .eml format document entirely smoothly (although an internet search only seemed to yield leads to commercial software that could do the job). From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 16:18:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:18:20 +0200 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: References: <4B65E522.5050501@hyperactivesw.com> <15167575828.20100131122839@ahsoftware.net> <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B67451C.40004@gmail.com> On 01/02/2010 15:45, Kay C Lan wrote: > Richmond, > > Very nice. If only we could get jpgs into the Rev Dictionary. Why not? Or, have links in the Rev Dictionary to the images stored on something more 'official' than my website? From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 16:32:48 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:32:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: sqlToga Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <166794.59635.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, I was wondering how you are doing with sqlYoga. Do you still need some help or have you corraled the beast? I bought the megabundle, so I have a copy of sqlYoga. I don't really plan on using it but I'd be interested in giving it a look if it might help someone get something done. It's more fun to have a real-life challenge when you're learning something new. Mike --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Bob Sneidar wrote: > From: Bob Sneidar > Subject: sqlToga Help > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:48 PM > Hi all. > > Could anyone interested in helping me with sqlYoga contact > me off list? I am at the point where I need to start getting > information from my database, and not normal information > either. I need to get table schemas in the process of > copying some of the fields from one table in one database to > another in another database. > > I could do this using the rev commands and functions, but I > really want to try to use sqlYoga for everything, and I hate > bothering Trevor about how-to's. > > Bob_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Feb 1 16:55:33 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:55:33 +0000 Subject: [OT] .eml format In-Reply-To: <4B67445A.2040808@gmail.com> References: <4B67445A.2040808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1559B99F-E4BE-48D1-A70B-D49E15E0E4B4@azurevision.co.uk> Pretty well any email client should open it, it's just an email saved as a text file. You get the same from Mail if you drag a message to the Finder - and Quick Look will actually display the formatted message. Ian On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Somebody sent my wife a document with .eml as the suffix; this is > from Microsoft Entourage or > Outlook Express. This is just fine and dandy if you have bought into > the Microsoft "thang"; but we > haven't. > > Thunderbird: > > http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/ > > opened the .eml format document entirely smoothly (although an > internet search only > seemed to yield leads to commercial software that could do the job). > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 1 17:14:48 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:14:48 -0800 Subject: sqlToga Help In-Reply-To: <166794.59635.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <166794.59635.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20F669E4-D1F4-4F36-BE31-B1B9866EA179@twft.com> Hi Michael. Well the particular problem I am having has nothing to do with sqlYoga. Apparently the command to create a table in an on-rev database takes quite a bit of time to get back to me. I am not sure why. Bob On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > Bob, > > I was wondering how you are doing with sqlYoga. Do you still need some help or have you corraled the beast? > > I bought the megabundle, so I have a copy of sqlYoga. I don't really plan on using it but I'd be interested in giving it a look if it might help someone get something done. It's more fun to have a real-life challenge when you're learning something new. > > Mike From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 1 17:17:40 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:17:40 -0800 Subject: Adding Tables in On-Rev Message-ID: Hi all. I thought I was having a problem with creating tables programmatically in my On-Rev database, but it appears that the table eventually gets created. It can just take 20 or 30 seconds to do! Is this normal?? Bob From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 1 17:19:27 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:19:27 -0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> Message-ID: I humbly stand corrected! :-) Bob On Jan 30, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Bob, et al., > > I not only watch movies and tv on iPhone, but I read ALL of my books on Kindle for iPhone. Also use Barnes & Noble reader for iPhone. It's great, cheap, convenient. Easier to hold up an iPhone in bed and read than a hardback book...easier than even a paperback book. The Kindle app is very well done, too. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > The latest Rev Editor Video: > http://reveditor.com/greater-trev-to-rev-interoperability-and-more > > On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:24 PM, RevList wrote: > >> Bob Sneidar on January 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM -0800 wrote: >>> Honestly, does anyone seriously watch video, like movies and tv shows on >>> their iTouch? Really?? >> I don when I am travelling all the time. If the airline does not have >> in-seat video displays, watching a video on my iPhone is far superior to >> watching some move that I have probably already seen on some small screen >> at some angle that I can't see. >> >> ****************************************** >> Stewart Lynch >> CreaTECH Solutions >> slynch at CreaTECHSol.com >> ****************************************** >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that >> is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by >> mistake, please notify us immediately. >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at free.fr Mon Feb 1 17:36:16 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 23:36:16 +0100 Subject: Adding Tables in On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 1 f?vr. 10 ? 23:17, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > Hi all. > > I thought I was having a problem with creating tables > programmatically in my On-Rev database, but it appears that the > table eventually gets created. It can just take 20 or 30 seconds to > do! Is this normal?? No if it take more time than some seconds or what it would take in running the equivalent code as an sql proc under phpMtAdmin. Did tou oprimise your code in this way first ? As a more general remark, it's always better ro avoid to use this kind of procedure without being sure that they works as expected first. Else the server will become very directly unresponsive... > > Bob_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 1 17:48:25 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:48:25 -1000 Subject: Adding Tables in On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004a01caa390$aa7b8400$ff728c00$@com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > I thought I was having a problem with creating tables programmatically > in my On-Rev database, but it appears that the table eventually gets > created. It can just take 20 or 30 seconds to do! Is this normal?? Bob, it would be helpful if you tell us which DB you are using. ;-) If you are creating your tables and accessing an SQLite or MySQL DB from a Rev CGI or irev script it's pretty near instant (although with MySQL, I don't use Rev to create the schema), so I can only speak to access. If you are accessing direct from a desktop app rather than going through a server-side script, then I don't know as I've never done it this way. And, I also bought the MegaBundle but am just learning to sit in the Lotus position with SQLYoga. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 19:06:40 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:06:40 +1000 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> Message-ID: > I not only watch movies and tv on iPhone, but I read ALL of my books on > Kindle for iPhone. Also use Barnes & Noble reader for iPhone. It's great, > cheap, convenient. Easier to hold up an iPhone in bed and read than a > hardback book...easier than even a paperback book. The Kindle app is very > well done, too. I read and watch movies on my iPhone, but a movie has to be a one person experience. If more than one of us want to watch, it has to be a bigger screen. Here's hoping the iPad fils that niche. But since bandwidth is limited over here, renting movies or TV shows via iTunes or any other download service is not viable, so I have to rip DVDs using Handbrake and then put them on my iPhone. This works perfectly, but it doesn't mean that I have to plan to watch a movie - I can't just stick a DVD in the slot and play it. I would love it if the iPad had the ability to share a DVD over wireless as the MacBook Air does, but I think it unlikely. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 19:13:37 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:13:37 +1000 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com> <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com> <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com> <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Larry Snider wrote: > An opinion from a list lurker... > > I would very much appreciate further development of a Linux version of > Rev. ?(And any other UNIX-type OS for that matter...) > > !!(In fact, I would, more importantly, like the ability to compile > command-line programs! ?I could very easily write CGI tools for the > web that would not require ANY plug-in. ?Sorry. ?I'm not a fan of > special GUI web programming.)!! > > One aspect that apparently is not given much consideration is the > enterprise/infrastructure. ?Not everyone develops for profit. ?Some > people, like me, need a rapid development tool that can meet the needs > of the users quickly and reliably. ?My company has zero Macs at this > facility but we have thousands of Windows PCs and many, many Linux and > Solaris servers. ?Yes, Solaris and HP-UX are still very alive in the > enterprise arena so if there were a RunRev version available to me for > those OSs I would be all over it. > > So, for all the naysayers who only want their preferred OS to survive > to mature development then request away. ?You're only screwing > everyone else. ?There's a whole other world out there to be > discovered/considered. Since I was the one that really started this whole thread, I guess I am the naysayer you are referring too. I assure you that I had no intention of screwing anybody. My main interest is in the continuing commercial health of RunRev, so that my preferred tool keeps going. To this end, I was suggesting that it might be more commercially viable, as well as more honest to their customers, if they re-directed their Linux team to the revMobile team. That's all - it was in no way an attack on Linux/Unix or their users. I realise that the Linux engine is essential for revServer, but that doesn't need the development that has to be put into the GUI and the externals. Anyway, my apologies if you took my opinions for a personal attack on Linux users, that was not what I meant. Regards, Sarah From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Feb 1 20:47:04 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:47:04 -0700 Subject: Simple post examples Message-ID: Hello all, I'm planning to teach my students how to post data to web servers and get back results in their stacks. I've got a couple of examples, but I wonder if anyone could point me to some examples that would be simple enough for beginners. I'm thinking of things like doing a Google search from a stack, looking up a weather report, getting local movie information, etc. Thanks! Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From bvg at mac.com Mon Feb 1 20:48:37 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:48:37 +0100 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com> <1264671233187-1345769.post@n4.nabble.com> <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com> <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com> <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E08FEF-C1B5-4F9F-8223-FCBC52CD40CD@mac.com> Hi Larry You complain about the lack of a command line app. However I know this is available, to anyone who ever bought rev. However, it was removed with 4.0, so it's only available in the versions of 3.5 and less. Currently that is not that big of a problem, as most of the 4.0 changes that weren't engine ports (php-like webserver and browser-plugin) where for gui stuff. One notable exception is the very very very old external for sqlite, but you can use the updated one from 4.0. If you only joined after 4.0 was released, and can't find the 3.5 versions, just mail support for a download link. So Here is a nice step by step guide on how you can run command line stuff on mac os (yeah i know, but that's what i'm at now, and where i can test): 1. go to application/revolution enterprise/3.5.0-gm-2/runtime/mac os x/universal/ 2. right click (or control-click) the "standalone" application and choose "show package content" 3. go to contents/MacOS/ 4. copy the "standalone" unix executable to a more convenient place like / (directly into macintosh hd) 5. create a text file at the same place (i named it "cgi.txt"): --file contents start below this line-- #!/Standalone -ui on startup put "hello world" quit end startup --end of file contents above this line-- 7. go to terminal and enter: chmod 777 /cgi.txt 8. run the newly created command line text by entering the following into terminal: /cgi.txt result: "hello world" appears in the terminal (sans quotes) I know that not all these file paths, commands or strings are the same for windows (or linux), but guessing from your mail, you are more knowledgeable about how these things should work on windows and linux then this poor mac addicted loser. ;-) Have fun Bj?rnke On 1 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Larry Snider wrote: > !!(In fact, I would, more importantly, like the ability to compile > command-line programs! I could very easily write CGI tools for the > web that would not require ANY plug-in. Sorry. I'm not a fan of > special GUI web programming.)!! -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From bvg at mac.com Mon Feb 1 20:50:16 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:50:16 +0100 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> on mouseUp put url "http://www.google.com?q=" & field "entry" into field "result" end mouseUp maybe too easy? On 2 Feb 2010, at 02:47, Devin Asay wrote: > I'm thinking of things like doing a Google search from a stack, looking up a weather report, getting local movie information, etc. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 21:23:40 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:23:40 -0800 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm planning to teach my students how to post data to web servers > and get back results in their stacks. I've got a couple of examples, > but I wonder if anyone could point me to some examples that would be > simple enough for beginners. I'm thinking of things like doing a > Google search from a stack, looking up a weather report, getting > local movie information, etc. I don't have any examples handy since I post to my own data processing servers from Rev, but here is an idea. Most web forms use the POST method and you can find out by looking at the source where it will specify either GET or POST. The GET method, of course means the name=value pairs are added to the url. "http://www.google.com?q=desert+oasis&language=EN" The POST method sends the name=value pairs in a data packet that is invisible. The form uses the names of the input fields/buttons/ckboxes and their values to prepare the data packet. So, find forms that use 'POST', note the field names, and make your own Rev post (name=value&name=value) If a web page form is programmed for GET, then it likely will ignore incoming POST commands. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 21:26:37 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:26:37 +0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > I read and watch movies on my iPhone,... > > I would love it if the iPad had the ability to share a DVD over > wireless as the MacBook Air does, but I think it unlikely. > > > Personally AVATAR on a 3.5" screen just does nothing for me. My prediction is that the next BIG must have hardware/software combo will be the mobile device which has a mini hdmi output, ie audio + video, and is 3D codec compatible. This is mated to a pair of LCD 3D compatible goggles + earphones. IMO there is probably only 2 or 3 companies who could pull it off well, and unfortunately Apple would make the sexist version and be 90% on target; the two biggest complaints will be that only 3D movies purchased thru iTunes will work and they didn't go with hdmi but made their own propriety connector - citing the need to run power down the cable as it will be the only way to charge the goggles ;-( Imagine jumping on a plane, plugging your iPhone into the in-seat power supply, donning your goggles and sitting back to enjoy AVATAR on a screen bigger than IMAX :-) The idea of LCD goggles has been around for ages, but the screen resolution has never been there. With all the mobile devices with tiny screen these days, that hurdle is virtually crossed. Cinemas see 3D as it saviour, to get people coming back. AVATAR on 3.5" is pathetic, on a big screen at home, its good, in 3D at the cinema, it's breathtaking. Of course my idea will be the cinema's Judas. Well that's probably taken this waaaay off topic. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 1 21:42:32 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:42:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> References: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> Message-ID: Apparently so incredibly easy that even I can fix your broken script: on mouseUp put url ("http://www.google.com/search?q=" & field "entry") into field "result" end mouseUp :-P tsk, tsk... Judy On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > on mouseUp > put url "http://www.google.com?q=" & field "entry" into field "result" > end mouseUp > > maybe too easy? From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 1 21:50:55 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:50:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> Message-ID: Nya-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah! I beat you! Ha! take that!! And, while you're at it, take it with some CHEESE! Gruyere! Swiss! Ementhaler! Brie! Judy On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Judy Perry wrote: > Apparently so incredibly easy that even I can fix your broken script: > > on mouseUp > put url ("http://www.google.com/search?q=" & field "entry") into field > "result" > end mouseUp > > :-P > > tsk, tsk... > > Judy > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >> on mouseUp >> put url "http://www.google.com?q=" & field "entry" into field "result" >> end mouseUp >> >> maybe too easy? From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 21:52:15 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:52:15 +0800 Subject: [BUG] or expected behaviour - rawKeyUp (or Down) In-Reply-To: <4B67451C.40004@gmail.com> References: <4B668E4D.20007@gmail.com> <3DDB917F-80A7-4942-B25C-A7B4B7947F63@unil.ch> <4B66BE61.7080109@gmail.com> <4B67451C.40004@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Richmond, Firstly, as far as the OPTION/ALT key combos go, yes that is already explained in the Rev Dictionary. As far as jpg and links go, all I know in the blurb about how to submit User entries it states links aren't acceptable because links can change and Rev aren't in a position to monitor and update such links - seems fair to me. As far as jpg in the Dictionary itself, obviously it isn't impossible because Rev already has little images for the OSs, but I haven't seen any in the User contributed notes. To me this is a prefect example of 'a picture says a thousand words'. Unfortunately at this stage it appears that we'll have to go with your link and people will have to find it via this thread :-( On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > On 01/02/2010 15:45, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> Richmond, >> >> Very nice. If only we could get jpgs into the Rev Dictionary. >> > Why not? > > Or, have links in the Rev Dictionary to the images stored > on something more 'official' than my website? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bvg at mac.com Mon Feb 1 21:56:54 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:56:54 +0100 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> Message-ID: <81955C0D-8DF7-4328-AD16-F4FBD9BD19E3@mac.com> That's... evil.... and even cheese, tzz tzz i'd say you finally lost your bog donkey marbles! On 2 Feb 2010, at 03:50, Judy Perry wrote: > Nya-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah! > > I beat you! > > Ha! take that!! And, while you're at it, take it with some CHEESE! Gruyere! Swiss! Ementhaler! Brie! > > Judy From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 1 21:58:31 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:58:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: <81955C0D-8DF7-4328-AD16-F4FBD9BD19E3@mac.com> References: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> <81955C0D-8DF7-4328-AD16-F4FBD9BD19E3@mac.com> Message-ID: Nah, those'd be what you were busy juggling while I was solving your problem for you! On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > That's... evil.... and even cheese, tzz tzz > > i'd say you finally lost your bog donkey marbles! > > > On 2 Feb 2010, at 03:50, Judy Perry wrote: > >> Nya-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah! >> >> I beat you! >> >> Ha! take that!! And, while you're at it, take it with some CHEESE! Gruyere! Swiss! Ementhaler! Brie! >> >> Judy > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kee at kagi.com Mon Feb 1 22:02:34 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:02:34 -0800 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be sure to urlEncode the parameters that go into the GET. ie "desert oasis" becomes desert+oasis Kee On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > > > Most web forms use the POST method and you can find out by looking at the source where it will specify either GET or POST. > > The GET method, of course means the name=value pairs are added to the url. > "http://www.google.com?q=desert+oasis&language=EN" From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 02:44:45 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 23:44:45 -0800 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are right, since most people are confused when they forget urlEncoding. I put 'desert+oasis' in my example, but forgot to explain why. Thanks. On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Kee Nethery wrote: > Be sure to urlEncode the parameters that go into the GET. ie "desert > oasis" becomes desert+oasis > Kee > > On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Jim Ault wrote: >> >> Most web forms use the POST method and you can find out by looking >> at the source where it will specify either GET or POST. >> >> The GET method, of course means the name=value pairs are added to >> the url. >> "http://www.google.com?q=desert+oasis&language=EN" Jim Ault Las Vegas From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Tue Feb 2 07:40:03 2010 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:40:03 +0100 Subject: Links to programs in Windows? Message-ID: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A28EE@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> Creating links to any program on Windows We have been experimenting to script a handler, which can permit windows users to select an arbitrary program (to create a link button) Linking to the "Program Files" folder is easy, but novice user gets lost in the chaos there. We have worked to script having users select through the ../Start Menu/Programs folder, but here only a small selection of the many files/aliases comes up, in contrast to what is seen when you manually open that folder via the start menu,- or work your way down the directories /C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs. Does anybody have an explanation ? A solution ? set the systemFileSelector to false does not help, has same meagre result. From sniderl at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 08:09:41 2010 From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:09:41 -0500 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com> <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com> <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com> <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1002020509x43aaf36crb6ecc6da11036585@mail.gmail.com> Sarah, No offense was taken. I was just providing some unsolicited input from an old sys admin. My language could have been chosen a little better though, I admit. :-) Larry On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Larry Snider wrote: >> An opinion from a list lurker... >> >> I would very much appreciate further development of a Linux version of >> Rev. ?(And any other UNIX-type OS for that matter...) >> >> !!(In fact, I would, more importantly, like the ability to compile >> command-line programs! ?I could very easily write CGI tools for the >> web that would not require ANY plug-in. ?Sorry. ?I'm not a fan of >> special GUI web programming.)!! >> >> One aspect that apparently is not given much consideration is the >> enterprise/infrastructure. ?Not everyone develops for profit. ?Some >> people, like me, need a rapid development tool that can meet the needs >> of the users quickly and reliably. ?My company has zero Macs at this >> facility but we have thousands of Windows PCs and many, many Linux and >> Solaris servers. ?Yes, Solaris and HP-UX are still very alive in the >> enterprise arena so if there were a RunRev version available to me for >> those OSs I would be all over it. >> >> So, for all the naysayers who only want their preferred OS to survive >> to mature development then request away. ?You're only screwing >> everyone else. ?There's a whole other world out there to be >> discovered/considered. > > > Since I was the one that really started this whole thread, I guess I > am the naysayer you are referring too. > > I assure you that I had no intention of screwing anybody. My main > interest is in the continuing commercial health of RunRev, so that my > preferred tool keeps going. To this end, I was suggesting that it > might be more commercially viable, as well as more honest to their > customers, if they re-directed their Linux team to the revMobile team. > That's all - it was in no way an attack on Linux/Unix or their users. > > I realise that the Linux engine is essential for revServer, but that > doesn't need the development that has to be put into the GUI and the > externals. > > Anyway, my apologies if you took my opinions for a personal attack on > Linux users, that was not what I meant. > > Regards, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sniderl at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 08:15:07 2010 From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:15:07 -0500 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <45E08FEF-C1B5-4F9F-8223-FCBC52CD40CD@mac.com> References: <4B60884C.4030501@gmail.com> <4520F407-D2A6-4C76-B1F1-0738316AE0CC@twft.com> <7c87a2a11001281617n2bfa1f4i8767cc26049088b0@mail.gmail.com> <8EB2B58D-E322-4D40-9FBA-31DB2B3C7670@nwlink.com> <7c87a2a11001281659y12e62ef7r4bf1fb1116b57cf@mail.gmail.com> <4f1cb39a1002010835ud380e89o22154da50ae03e5a@mail.gmail.com> <45E08FEF-C1B5-4F9F-8223-FCBC52CD40CD@mac.com> Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1002020515x7952c9fbj4044eb63118918bd@mail.gmail.com> Bj?rnke, Thanks for the information. I run Macs at home. Exclusively. Larry 2010/2/1 Bj?rnke von Gierke : > Hi Larry > > You complain about the lack of a command line app. However I know this is available, to anyone who ever bought rev. However, it was removed with 4.0, so it's only available in the versions of 3.5 and less. Currently that is not that big of a problem, as most of the 4.0 changes that weren't engine ports (php-like webserver and browser-plugin) where for gui stuff. One notable exception is the very very very old external for sqlite, but you can use the updated one from 4.0. > > If you only joined after 4.0 was released, and can't find the 3.5 versions, just mail support for a download link. So Here is a nice step by step guide on how you can run command line stuff on mac os (yeah i know, but that's what i'm at now, and where i can test): > > 1. go to application/revolution enterprise/3.5.0-gm-2/runtime/mac os x/universal/ > > 2. right click (or control-click) the "standalone" application and choose "show package content" > > 3. go to contents/MacOS/ > > 4. copy the "standalone" unix executable to a more convenient place like / (directly into macintosh hd) > > 5. create a text file at the same place (i named it "cgi.txt"): > > --file contents start below this line-- > #!/Standalone -ui > > on startup > ?put "hello world" > ?quit > end startup > --end of file contents above this line-- > > 7. go to terminal and enter: > chmod 777 /cgi.txt > > 8. run the newly created command line text by entering the following into terminal: > /cgi.txt > > result: "hello world" appears in the terminal (sans quotes) > > I know that not all these file paths, commands or strings are the same for windows (or linux), but guessing from your mail, you are more knowledgeable about how these things should work on windows and linux then this poor mac addicted loser. ;-) > > Have fun > Bj?rnke > > > On 1 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Larry Snider wrote: > >> !!(In fact, I would, more importantly, like the ability to compile >> command-line programs! ?I could very easily write CGI tools for the >> web that would not require ANY plug-in. ?Sorry. ?I'm not a fan of >> special GUI web programming.)!! > > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 09:03:44 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 06:03:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan, I found this link you might be interested in. I think what you call revWeb runRev calls revMedia (confusing enough?). Just scroll down and you'll see the features that revMedia lacks. http://revmedia.runrev.com/beginners-guide/upgrade-anytime/ Good luck, Mike --------------------------------------- Dan Friedman dan at clearvisiontech.com Sun Jan 31 12:45:14 CST 2010 Greeting! Is there a revWeb user guide? I can't seem to find one in the Docs or online. I have experimented with it and there are some things you can't do (or I am doing wrong) in revWeb that you can in a standalone. It would be nice to have some documentation, or at least a list of "things you can't do in revWeb". Thank you in advance, -Dan From psahores at free.fr Tue Feb 2 10:06:21 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:06:21 +0100 Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear All, What meens exactly this option (available to Studio/Entreprise license holders) : "Customize revlet loading screen branding" Thanks, Pierre Le 2 f?vr. 10 ? 15:03, Michael Kann a ?crit : > Dan, > > I found this link you might be interested in. I think what you call > revWeb runRev calls revMedia (confusing enough?). Just scroll down > and you'll see the features that revMedia lacks. > > http://revmedia.runrev.com/beginners-guide/upgrade-anytime/ > > Good luck, > Mike > > --------------------------------------- > > Dan Friedman dan at clearvisiontech.com > Sun Jan 31 12:45:14 CST 2010 > > Greeting! > > Is there a revWeb user guide? I can't seem to find one in the Docs > or online. I have > experimented with it and there are some things you can't do (or I am > doing wrong) in > revWeb that you can in a standalone. It would be nice to have some > documentation, or at > least a list of "things you can't do in revWeb". > > Thank you in advance, > -Dan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 2 11:23:27 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:23:27 -0700 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: <37F34716-090E-4AE6-81CA-3C6EC3373CC8@mac.com> <81955C0D-8DF7-4328-AD16-F4FBD9BD19E3@mac.com> Message-ID: <9F7F8291-4666-4579-99FF-D8DAEFBC89E0@byu.edu> On Feb 1, 2010, Judy Perry and Bj?rnke von Gierke squabbled: > Nah, those'd be what you were busy juggling while I was solving your > problem for you! > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >> That's... evil.... and even cheese, tzz tzz >> >> i'd say you finally lost your bog donkey marbles! >> >> >> On 2 Feb 2010, at 03:50, Judy Perry wrote: >> >>> Nya-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah! >>> >>> I beat you! >>> >>> Ha! take that!! And, while you're at it, take it with some >>> CHEESE! Gruyere! Swiss! Ementhaler! Brie! Knock it off you two! Don't make me come over there! Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 2 11:26:39 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:26:39 -0700 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm planning to teach my students how to post data to web servers >> and get back results in their stacks. I've got a couple of examples, >> but I wonder if anyone could point me to some examples that would be >> simple enough for beginners. I'm thinking of things like doing a >> Google search from a stack, looking up a weather report, getting >> local movie information, etc. > > I don't have any examples handy since I post to my own data processing > servers from Rev, but here is an idea. > > Most web forms use the POST method and you can find out by looking at > the source where it will specify either GET or POST. > > The GET method, of course means the name=value pairs are added to the > url. > "http://www.google.com?q=desert+oasis&language=EN" > > The POST method sends the name=value pairs in a data packet that is > invisible. > The form uses the names of the input fields/buttons/ckboxes and their > values to prepare the data packet. > > So, find forms that use 'POST', note the field names, and make your > own Rev post (name=value&name=value) > If a web page form is programmed for GET, then it likely will ignore > incoming POST commands. Thanks, Jim. Great advice, and perhaps a logical instructional progression starting with showing how GET urls work then moving to POSTing to a URL. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 11:41:27 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:41:27 +0000 Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Is there a revWeb user guide? ? I can't seem to find one in the Docs or online. ?I have > experimented with it and there are some things you can't do (or I am doing wrong) in > revWeb that you can in a standalone. ?It would be nice to have some documentation, or at > least a list of "things you can't do in revWeb". > > Thank you in advance, > -Dan I understood Dan to be asking about on-rev and what could be done using the server-side engine. Bernard From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 12:07:22 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:07:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647162.28893.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Pierre, my guess is that when a user is waiting for a revlet to load on their browser, instead of the empty square reading "Powered by Runtime Revolution" (or whatever it says now) you can make it say "Pierre Sahores' Fabulous Software" But again, that's only a guess. Mike --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Pierre Sahores wrote: > From: Pierre Sahores > Subject: Re: revWeb User Guide? > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:06 AM > Dear All, > > What meens exactly this option (available to > Studio/Entreprise license holders) : > > "Customize revlet loading screen branding" > > Thanks, > > Pierre > > > Le 2 f?vr. 10 ? 15:03, Michael Kann a ?crit : > > > Dan, > > > > I found this link you might be interested in. I think > what you call revWeb runRev calls revMedia (confusing > enough?). Just scroll down and you'll see the features that > revMedia lacks. > > > > http://revmedia.runrev.com/beginners-guide/upgrade-anytime/ > > > > Good luck, > > Mike > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > Dan Friedman dan at clearvisiontech.com > > Sun Jan 31 12:45:14 CST 2010 > > > > Greeting! > > > > Is there a revWeb user guide????I can't > seem to find one in the Docs or online.? I have > > experimented with it and there are some things you > can't do (or I am doing wrong) in > > revWeb that you can in a standalone.? It would be > nice to have some documentation, or at > > least a list of "things you can't do in revWeb". > > > > Thank you in advance, > > -Dan > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 2 12:25:32 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:25:32 -0800 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) Message-ID: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> Larry Snider wrote: > An opinion from a list lurker... > > I would very much appreciate further development of a Linux version of > Rev. (And any other UNIX-type OS for that matter...) ... > One aspect that apparently is not given much consideration is the > enterprise/infrastructure. Not everyone develops for profit. Some > people, like me, need a rapid development tool that can meet the needs > of the users quickly and reliably. My company has zero Macs at this > facility but we have thousands of Windows PCs and many, many Linux and > Solaris servers. I doubt we'll see a resurrection of the Rev engine for Sun OS (though oddly enough that was where I first used Rev, still called MetaCard back then). But for the benefit of other lurkers here, RunRev has no plans to drop support of its Linux engine. On the contrary, while I'm not at liberty to get into details I have Kevin's permission to note that on the Enterprise list he recently outlined some of the company's plans for enhancing the Linux engine. By sequencing these enhancements with related work for other engines, he's able to move the Linux build forward with minimal impact to the larger development budget, a smart win-win move that benefits the product line across all supported platforms (yep, RevMobile too). The details and projected time lines for those enhancements are proprietary and governed by my NDA with RunRev, so I won't be able to answer any questions on this. For now, suffice to say that the Rev engine we're enjoying on Linux today will only get better over time. This is good news for Trevor DeVore, Ken Ray, Bill Vlahos, myself, and many others who are taking advantage of Rev's Linux engine to port their wares. And looking down the road, the folks at Ubuntu have made public their plans to expand the Ubuntu Software Center to include commercial products in the next version. Replacing the old Add/Remove Software window, the Ubuntu Software Center is a convenient way to find and install apps, included with Ubuntu 9.1 and later. In a recent Podcast they said they're working on including a way of handling payments directly in the Software Center as well, making it as convenient for commercial app vendors to deploy to the Ubuntu audience as Apple has done for music publishers with iTunes. See idea 18538: Podcast: So whether your interest in Linux is for commercial deployment, in-house tools, or just enjoying playing around with a secure, nimble, and free OS for your netbook or PC, the opportunities for using Rev there are looking better and better. FWIW, Ubuntu ships on a freely downloadable single CD image that you can boot from - you can try it out on nearly any PC without needing to install. If you like it, just pull out one of your old PCs from the closet, use the easy installer, and you can give new life to a retired system at no cost: Note for Richmond and Judy: Ubuntu makes a special version for use in the classroom, Edubuntu: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 2 12:34:29 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:34:29 +0100 Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: References: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bonsoir Pierre, > Dear All, > > What meens exactly this option (available to Studio/Entreprise license holders) : > "Customize revlet loading screen branding" in the standalone settings for "Web" you can define an image -> "Loading Screen Configuration" that will be displayed instead of the Rev logo. > Thanks, A votre service, monsieur :-) > Pierre Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 2 14:21:29 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> There's a nice Slackware based educational distribution from Zenwalk. Very worth a look. The Slack base makes it stable and fast. It is Xfce based rather than Gnome. The other one to consider is Skolelinux, aka Debian-EDU. This is Debian Stable based. People don't realize that the main benefit of Debian is that its a rolling distro, and so super easy to keep up to date. The way it works is, the distribution starts out in Experimental, then moves on a two year or so cycle through Unstable, Testing to Stable. At which point it really is Stable. You can find links and reviews on Distrowatch. What you are getting from Ubuntu is a 6 month release cycle of a collection of bits out of Debian Experimental. This largely negates the benefits of being an apt distribution in terms of upgrade ease, and it also negates the potential benefits for stability of being Debian based. As the cries of grief and rage, which are heard regularly every six months from the upgraders, go to show! You want six month release cycles (but why would you?) go to Mandriva. You will sacrifice stability, but you do get something, ease of use combined with being bang up to date. You want boring practical useful and stable, and never having to think about upgrades again, go to Debian Stable. I wouldn't put Ubuntu on any machine I was going to have to support. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Rev-for-Linux-was-Re-iPadding-around-tp1460131p1460272.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:29:21 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:29:21 +0200 Subject: Linux PPC Message-ID: <4B687D11.5070807@gmail.com> Further to my postings in January I am happy to confirm that RunRev stacks built with RR 2.0.1 and turned into standalones with MetaCard 4 using the MC Linux PPC engine function on a MacMini PPC running Ubuntu 9.10 PPC. I know this will be cheap thrills for most of the other users on the use-list; but I have just been offered a half-dozen G3 iMacs by the University of St Andrews ELT dept. for nothing, and having collected them in the summer intend to drive them over here to Bulgaria and run Ubuntu PPC on them in my school as my experience with maintaining PPC Macs is quite a bit more positive than old Pentiums; and they look more 'sexy' in a school environment. From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 14:41:27 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:41:27 -0800 Subject: Adding Tables in On-Rev In-Reply-To: <004a01caa390$aa7b8400$ff728c00$@com> References: <004a01caa390$aa7b8400$ff728c00$@com> Message-ID: How odd. I just dropped the table with the mySQL Workbench app, and it took over 20 seconds to get to the place where it confirmed if that was what I wanted to do! I build my own SQL programmatically, and it looks like the following: CREATE TABLE `slylabs_Helpdesk`.`categories` ( `uniqueid` mediumint(3) unsigned zerofill NOT NULL auto_increment, `deleted` bit(1) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, `sw_id` INTEGER NOT NULL, `sw_name` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL, `sw_type` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL, `sw_applies_to` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL, `sw_find_conditions` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL, `sw_condition` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL, `sw_front_page` boolean DEFAULT NULL, `sw_position` integer DEFAULT NULL, `sw_counter_conditions` varchar(255), `sw_icon` varchar(255), `sw_built_in` boolean DEFAULT FALSE, `sw_live_update` boolean DEFAULT FALSE, `notes` blob NOT NULL, `signature` char(2) NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`uniqueid`) ) At times it is pretty much instant and at times it takes a good long while. I was wondering if on-rev is locking the entire database at times, preventing any major SQL updates, or if the on-rev queue is very full at times and I am getting queue'd way down the list. Bob On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> I thought I was having a problem with creating tables programmatically >> in my On-Rev database, but it appears that the table eventually gets >> created. It can just take 20 or 30 seconds to do! Is this normal?? > > Bob, it would be helpful if you tell us which DB you are using. ;-) If you > are creating your tables and accessing an SQLite or MySQL DB from a Rev CGI > or irev script it's pretty near instant (although with MySQL, I don't use > Rev to create the schema), so I can only speak to access. If you are > accessing direct from a desktop app rather than going through a server-side > script, then I don't know as I've never done it this way. And, I also > bought the MegaBundle but am just learning to sit in the Lotus position with > SQLYoga. ;-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:47:31 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:47:31 +0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> On 02/02/2010 21:21, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > There's a nice Slackware based educational distribution from Zenwalk. Very > worth a look. The Slack base makes it stable and fast. It is Xfce based > rather than Gnome. > > The other one to consider is Skolelinux, aka Debian-EDU. This is Debian > Stable based. People don't realize that the main benefit of Debian is that > its a rolling distro, and so super easy to keep up to date. I'm going to have a conniption fit (hey, do any Americans out there actually know what 'conniption' means? I don't) because my PC hasn't been updated since this morning. > The way it > works is, the distribution starts out in Experimental, then moves on a two > year or so cycle through Unstable, Testing to Stable. At which point it > really is Stable. > > You can find links and reviews on Distrowatch. > http://distrowatch.com/ > What you are getting from Ubuntu is a 6 month release cycle of a collection > of bits out of Debian Experimental. This largely negates the benefits of > being an apt distribution in terms of upgrade ease, and it also negates the > potential benefits for stability of being Debian based. As the cries of > grief and rage, which are heard regularly every six months from the > upgraders, go to show! > Only if you are obsessed with continual upgrades . . . :) My current machines in my school have been running on Ubuntu 5.10 since . . . err October 2005 (!!!!!) without any internet connexion, upgrade or hitch doing what I want them to do. Actually, having played around with more Linux distros than I can count on my fingers and toes together my conclusions are fairly crude for people in my position: Stick to Debian derivatives and after that it really is nothing more than a matter of taste. I like GNU and XFCE; KDE is too Windowzy for my liking; however I do run some KDE apps via Gnome - doesn't really seem problematic. RunRev 4 and Metacard 4 both run superbly on all 3 window managers; and, I would suppose, on Fluxbox, Enlightenment and so on. I chose Ubuntu because it was the first Debian derivative I came upon that seemed well documented and easy to install; but, hey, I'm the chap who when he arrived in the USA in 1993 had to buy a computer and, having only previous experience of main-frames, BBCs and Archimedes, picked a Macintosh over a Windows because his maternal grandfather's name was McIntosh (well, not a bad choice, in the end), so don't expect complete logic from me. > You want six month release cycles (but why would you?) go to Mandriva. Why bother with release cycles or upgrades? Find a system you like and be done with it. The only reason for eternal upgared is if you are developing for an eternally upgrading market. > You > will sacrifice stability, but you do get something, ease of use combined > with being bang up to date. You want boring practical useful and stable, > and never having to think about upgrades again, go to Debian Stable. > > I wouldn't put Ubuntu on any machine I was going to have to support. > Funny that, as I support and maintain Ubuntu on a fair number of lawyers' and architects' machines round and about in Plovdiv - a monthly visit; a cup of coffee, an hour's "fiddle" with the machine; sudo apt-get update set any updates running and tell them to leave the machine alone until 'tomorrow' Bob's your uncle! From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 14:50:18 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:50:18 -0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> Message-ID: The other problem LCD goggles have had in the past is getting the focal point to a place that didn't fatigue the eyes after a half hour or so. A company in Israel (whose name escapes me at the moment) had claimed to resolve this problem, and had demonstrated the technology, and was waiting for developers to pick up on it. I haven't heard anything since and that was about 3 or 4 years ago. Bob On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > > The idea of LCD goggles has been around for ages, but the screen resolution > has never been there. With all the mobile devices with tiny screen these > days, that hurdle is virtually crossed. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 15:08:24 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:08:24 +0200 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> Message-ID: <4B688638.8030908@gmail.com> On 02/02/2010 21:50, Bob Sneidar wrote: > The other problem LCD goggles have had in the past is getting the focal point to a place that didn't fatigue the eyes after a half hour or so. A company in Israel (whose name escapes me at the moment) had claimed to resolve this problem, and had demonstrated the technology, and was waiting for developers to pick up on it. I haven't heard anything since and that was about 3 or 4 years ago. > > Having lived and worked in Israel I recall that all Israelis see other Israelis in full colour 3D, but they only see Palestinians as monochrome 2D; so I would be extremely wary of any Israeli product. From sniderl at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 15:38:14 2010 From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:38:14 -0500 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1002021238h20d1cd6fr12aa63866b732b5d@mail.gmail.com> A conniption is a display of bad temper. If you have a conniption fit you are throwing a tantrum. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/02/2010 21:21, Peter Alcibiades wrote: >> >> There's a nice Slackware based educational distribution from Zenwalk. >> ?Very >> worth a look. ?The Slack base makes it stable and fast. ?It is Xfce based >> rather than Gnome. >> >> The other one to consider is Skolelinux, aka Debian-EDU. ?This is Debian >> Stable based. ?People don't realize that the main benefit of Debian is >> that >> its a rolling distro, and so super easy to keep up to date. > > I'm going to have a conniption fit (hey, do any Americans out there actually > know what 'conniption' > means? I don't) because my PC hasn't been updated since this morning. > >> ?The way it >> works is, the distribution starts out in Experimental, then moves on a two >> year or so cycle through Unstable, Testing to Stable. ?At which point it >> really is Stable. >> >> You can find links and reviews on Distrowatch. >> > > http://distrowatch.com/ > >> What you are getting from Ubuntu is a 6 month release cycle of a >> collection >> of bits out of Debian Experimental. ?This largely negates the benefits of >> being an apt distribution in terms of upgrade ease, and it also negates >> the >> potential benefits for stability of being Debian based. ?As the cries of >> grief and rage, which are heard regularly every six months from the >> upgraders, go to show! >> > > Only if you are obsessed with continual upgrades . . . ?:) > > My current machines in my school have been running on Ubuntu 5.10 since . . > . err > October 2005 (!!!!!) without any internet connexion, upgrade or hitch doing > what > I want them to do. > > Actually, having played around with more Linux distros than I can count on > my fingers and toes > together my conclusions are fairly crude for people in my position: > > Stick to Debian derivatives and after that it really is nothing more than a > matter of taste. > I like GNU and XFCE; KDE is too Windowzy for my liking; however I do run > some KDE apps > via Gnome - doesn't really seem problematic. RunRev 4 and Metacard 4 both > run superbly > on all 3 window managers; and, I would suppose, on Fluxbox, Enlightenment > and so on. > > I chose Ubuntu because it was the first Debian derivative I came upon that > seemed well > documented and easy to install; but, hey, I'm the chap who when he arrived > in the USA in > 1993 had to buy a computer and, having only previous experience of > main-frames, BBCs > and Archimedes, picked a Macintosh over a Windows because his maternal > grandfather's > name was McIntosh (well, not a bad choice, in the end), so don't expect > complete logic > from me. > >> You want six month release cycles (but why would you?) go to Mandriva. > > Why bother with release cycles or upgrades? ?Find a system you like and be > done with it. > > The only reason for eternal upgared is if you are developing for an > eternally upgrading market. > >> ?You >> will sacrifice stability, but you do get something, ease of use combined >> with being bang up to date. ?You want boring practical useful and stable, >> and never having to think about upgrades again, go to Debian Stable. >> >> I wouldn't put Ubuntu on any machine I was going to have to support. >> > > Funny that, as I support and maintain Ubuntu on a fair number of lawyers' > and architects' machines round and about in Plovdiv - a monthly visit; a cup > of > coffee, an hour's "fiddle" with the machine; > > sudo apt-get update > > set any updates running and tell them to leave the machine alone until > 'tomorrow' > > Bob's your uncle! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From psahores at free.fr Tue Feb 2 16:11:04 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:11:04 +0100 Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: References: <48291.15540.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guten Abend Freund Klaus und Danke Sehr ;-) Kind Regards, Pierre Le 2 f?vr. 10 ? 18:34, Klaus on-rev a ?crit : > Bonsoir Pierre, > >> Dear All, >> >> What meens exactly this option (available to Studio/Entreprise >> license holders) : >> "Customize revlet loading screen branding" > > in the standalone settings for "Web" you can define an image -> > "Loading Screen Configuration" > that will be displayed instead of the Rev logo. > >> Thanks, > > A votre service, monsieur :-) > >> Pierre > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 16:15:04 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:15:04 +0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1002021238h20d1cd6fr12aa63866b732b5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> <4f1cb39a1002021238h20d1cd6fr12aa63866b732b5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6895D8.3030802@gmail.com> On 02/02/2010 22:38, Larry Snider wrote: > A conniption is a display of bad temper. If you have a conniption fit > you are throwing a tantrum. > > Thank you very much. I don't know why, but "conniption fit" has always made me laugh - now I know what it means it still seems rather funny . . . :) From psahores at free.fr Tue Feb 2 16:12:43 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:43 +0100 Subject: revWeb User Guide? In-Reply-To: <647162.28893.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <647162.28893.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I see. Thanks Mike. Best Regards, Pierre Le 2 f?vr. 10 ? 18:07, Michael Kann a ?crit : > Pierre, my guess is that when a user is waiting for a revlet to load > on their browser, instead of the empty square reading > > "Powered by Runtime Revolution" (or whatever it says now) > > you can make it say > > "Pierre Sahores' Fabulous Software" > > But again, that's only a guess. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> From: Pierre Sahores >> Subject: Re: revWeb User Guide? >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:06 AM >> Dear All, >> >> What meens exactly this option (available to >> Studio/Entreprise license holders) : >> >> "Customize revlet loading screen branding" >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pierre >> >> >> Le 2 f?vr. 10 ? 15:03, Michael Kann a ?crit : >> >>> Dan, >>> >>> I found this link you might be interested in. I think >> what you call revWeb runRev calls revMedia (confusing >> enough?). Just scroll down and you'll see the features that >> revMedia lacks. >>> >>> http://revmedia.runrev.com/beginners-guide/upgrade-anytime/ >>> >>> Good luck, >>> Mike >>> >>> --------------------------------------- >>> >>> Dan Friedman dan at clearvisiontech.com >>> Sun Jan 31 12:45:14 CST 2010 >>> >>> Greeting! >>> >>> Is there a revWeb user guide? I can't >> seem to find one in the Docs or online. I have >>> experimented with it and there are some things you >> can't do (or I am doing wrong) in >>> revWeb that you can in a standalone. It would be >> nice to have some documentation, or at >>> least a list of "things you can't do in revWeb". >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> -Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and >> manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From fvwalter at web.de Tue Feb 2 13:45:31 2010 From: fvwalter at web.de (Florian von Walter) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:45:31 +0100 Subject: Links to programs in Windows? In-Reply-To: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A28EE@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> References: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A28EE@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> Message-ID: <4B6872CB.90100@web.de> Kresten, it is not sufficient to search through "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs". Many program links are created under "C:\Documents and Settings\\Start Menu" and "C:\Documents and Settings\\Start Menu\Programs". Also "C:\Documents and Settings" doesn't always have to be there. This can change when a power user moves user profiles away from the standard directory. It can also change between Windows versions. It changed with Windows 7 where "C:\Documents and Settings" doesn't exist anymore. It is now at "C:\Users". "C:\Documents and Settings" under Windows 7 is just a link to "C:\Users" now. The official and correct way to determine where these profile folders are is to read the Windows registry values at: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders\Start Menu HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders\Programs HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\Shell Folders\Common Start Menu HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\Shell Folders\Common Programs and scan *all* paths. In addition to that the correct way to determine the programs folder ("C:\Program Files" by default) is to read the registry key values at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ProgramFilesDir 64bit versions of Windows have at least two "Program Files" directories. Note the other values at: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\Shell Folders HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion which point to other important Windows directories like "My Documents", "My Pictures" etc. Hope this helps. Regards, Florian On 02.02.2010 13:40, Kresten Bjerg wrote: > Creating links to any program on Windows > > We have been experimenting to script a handler, which can permit windows > users to select an arbitrary program (to create a link button) > > Linking to the "Program Files" folder is easy, but novice user gets lost > in the chaos there. > > We have worked to script having users select through the ../Start > Menu/Programs folder, but here only a small selection of the many > files/aliases comes up, in contrast to what is seen when you manually > open that folder via the start menu,- or work your way down the > directories /C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs. > > Does anybody have an explanation ? A solution ? > > set the systemFileSelector to false does not help, has same meagre > result. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 16:57:03 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:57:03 -0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <4B688638.8030908@gmail.com> References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <4B688638.8030908@gmail.com> Message-ID: No that is Israeli counter intel. Apparently the Palestinian government believed this, and informed a group of Hezbollah militants that if they turned sideways and read an old newspaper, then the Israeli snipers could not see them, and thus would be unable to shoot them. None of those belonging to the terrorist cell that attempted this have been heard from in quite a while. Bob On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/02/2010 21:50, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> The other problem LCD goggles have had in the past is getting the focal point to a place that didn't fatigue the eyes after a half hour or so. A company in Israel (whose name escapes me at the moment) had claimed to resolve this problem, and had demonstrated the technology, and was waiting for developers to pick up on it. I haven't heard anything since and that was about 3 or 4 years ago. >> >> > Having lived and worked in Israel I recall that all Israelis see other Israelis in full colour 3D, > but they only see Palestinians as monochrome 2D; so I would be extremely wary of any Israeli > product. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 16:59:11 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:59:11 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries Message-ID: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> Hi all. Executing queries directly with the on-rev mySQL database I have seems to beach ball Revolution at times. I just tried executing the query: DROP TABLE `slylabs_helpdesk`.`categories` EVENTUALLY Revolution will let go/time out and although no error is generated inside of a try/catch construct, the command nevertheless fails. I have run into the same problem when adding tables. Sometimes the command works some times it doesn't. Some times it takes a really long time and some times it doesn't. There's no connection either between it taking a long time and whether or not the command succeeds. put "`" into sq put "slylabs_helpdesk" into fPriDBName put "categories" into theClickTbl put "DROP TABLE " & sq & field fPriDBName & sq & "." & \ sq & theClickTbl & sq into theSQL try put dbconn_get("connection id", "priconn", "primary") into theID -- returns a number revExecuteSQL theID, theSQL put true into successful catch theError put false into successful end try this is the code. successful is true after executing this code, EVEN IF the table NEVER GETS DROPPED! I guess I need to know if the on-rev mySQL even allows direct access via a Revolution script! It is possible that sqlYoga is somehow returning a stale connection ID, but that is just a guess. Bob From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 17:04:24 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:04:24 +1000 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi all. Executing queries directly with the on-rev mySQL database I have seems to beach ball Revolution at times. Hi Bob, I haven't been following this thread very closely, but it seems that you are allowing odd things to happen, which may be part of the problem. As I envisage databases on a server, you set up the database & it's table manually using phpMyAdmin or the equivalent. Web pages then get to read & write records, but do not mess with the basic structure of the database. If you consider that there may be multiple concurrent connections, this makes sense as the table cannot be dropped if someone else is actually reading it at the same time. I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and phpMyAdmin first. HTH, Sarah From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 18:16:05 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:16:05 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah. Thanks for the reply. Actually, when you use an admin application the very same queries that I am executing remotely are used by the admin app. There is no fundamental between difference using the web page to create and drop tables as there is making a remote connection via SSH or some other method and executing the sequel there. It is not at all odd to create and drop tables as I see fit. As I mentioned, it DOES work at times, and at others it does not. It beachballs at times and at others it does not. This has all the earmarks of timeout issues with the on-rev server. What I am trying to find out is if there is some kind of inherent restriction with certain kinds of queries with on-rev. If so, then I will not be able to use it. No one else is using the tables other than me. I have my site set up to only accept connections from my work's IP and my father's IP from his house in Hawaii. He doesn't even know what SQL is so that is not a problem. Bob On Feb 2, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> Hi all. Executing queries directly with the on-rev mySQL database I have seems to beach ball Revolution at times. > > Hi Bob, > > I haven't been following this thread very closely, but it seems that > you are allowing odd things to happen, which may be part of the > problem. > As I envisage databases on a server, you set up the database & it's > table manually using phpMyAdmin or the equivalent. > > Web pages then get to read & write records, but do not mess with the > basic structure of the database. > > If you consider that there may be multiple concurrent connections, > this makes sense as the table cannot be dropped if someone else is > actually reading it at the same time. > > I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast > for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and > phpMyAdmin first. > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 18:33:12 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:33:12 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> Message-ID: <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> I think I see what is going on here. The connection is being made with sqlYoga initially, but of course like every good server, on-rev drops the connection after a period of inactivity. Now normally I would execute an SQL statement through sqlYoga, but there is no function or command as yet that allows me to simply execute an SQL statement and return a result, or not that I have been able to find. So I have to get the database ID using an sqlYoga function, then use the rev IDE to query the on-rev database. Often, by that point, the connection has been dropped. I think the fix for this for now is for me to issue dbconn_connect every time I access the database. This would be automatic for queries done through sqlYoga, but as I said, I can't use that right now for raw SQL queries. One thing I should mention though that I find odd, is that the function revdb_execute() does not generate an error in a try/catch construct, even if the connection has been dropped and the command fails! Maybe someone could pick up on that and update the IDE to incorporate that. Bob On Feb 2, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> Hi all. Executing queries directly with the on-rev mySQL database I have seems to beach ball Revolution at times. > > Hi Bob, > > I haven't been following this thread very closely, but it seems that > you are allowing odd things to happen, which may be part of the > problem. > As I envisage databases on a server, you set up the database & it's > table manually using phpMyAdmin or the equivalent. > > Web pages then get to read & write records, but do not mess with the > basic structure of the database. > > If you consider that there may be multiple concurrent connections, > this makes sense as the table cannot be dropped if someone else is > actually reading it at the same time. > > I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast > for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and > phpMyAdmin first. > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 2 18:34:53 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:34:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265153693509-1460570.post@n4.nabble.com> The way you do Debian is, you stick with Stable, just getting the security and occasional really major application updates, for around 2 years. This is done with apt-get update apt-get upgrade I do this every few months, and you get the base system and also the packages updated. Also the packages, notice. Warren Woodford noticed this with some surprise a bit ago, when Mepis moved. Then, when what is now Testing becomes the new Stable, you upgrade the distribution as a whole apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade You do this every couple of years. Debian is very different from Ubuntu. They both use apt for package management, they both are based on the base Debian packages. But take a look at exactly what gets updated, when and how, and where it comes from. There was a reason why Mepis left Ubuntu and went back to Debian. Find out about it. I'm not just fulminating. Or connipting either! The idea some people advocate here, that Rev should somehow standardize on Ubuntu, or that the world should for that matter, is a misunderstanding of Linux, and its also just plain wrong about the standing of Ubuntu as a distribution. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Rev-for-Linux-was-Re-iPadding-around-tp1460131p1460570.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:01:23 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:01:23 +0100 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/3 Bob Sneidar : > I think I see what is going on here. The connection is being made with sqlYoga initially, but of course like every good server, on-rev drops the connection after a period of inactivity. Now normally I would execute an SQL statement through sqlYoga, but there is no function or command as yet that allows me to simply execute an SQL statement and return a result, or not that I have been able to find. > > So I have to get the database ID using an sqlYoga function, then use the rev IDE to query the on-rev database. Often, by that point, the connection has been dropped. I think the fix for this for now is for me to issue dbconn_connect every time I access the database. This would be automatic for queries done through sqlYoga, but as I said, I can't use that right now for raw SQL queries. > > One thing I should mention though that I find odd, is that the function revdb_execute() does not generate an error in a try/catch construct, even if the connection has been dropped and the command fails! Maybe someone could pick up on that and update the IDE to incorporate that. > > Bob Hi Bob, I've no experience with the on-rev server, but I suppose that it works like another server. 1) Check your logs. Often it contains the cause of how/why you have reach the time out. 2) If you have parameters like on an Apache server you maybe have an equivalent to the KeepAliveTimeout directive. -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:01:29 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:01:29 +1000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page Message-ID: Hi All, I need the ability to download a secure web page (I have the login details) and get data from it. This is so I can allow everyone to monitor internet usage, so we don't go over in a month and get speed-capped to dial-up to speeds. On my browser, I go to and when I enter the name & password, I get to which has the data I need. I have tried using Rev directly: put URL "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/" and put URL "https://username:password at memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/" but these give no data at all. Then I tried curl, but I have to say I find it very confusing with it's multitude of options. I tried several options that gave nothing and some that gave me back a web page, but always just the login page again. revBrowser allows me to get the login page, enter my details and login, then get the html source so I can find the usage data I need, but this is only a useful technique if I have a way to submit a form automatically from a revBrowser. So does anyone have a way of getting data from a page like this? TIA, Sarah From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 19:06:56 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:06:56 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05B0ECD0-4B68-4D04-858B-0AD1D7B16919@twft.com> Well I've discovered in my experience that ALL SQL servers have a default timeout to clear stale connections. The server doesn't know if someone pulled the plug on a computer or took a meteor strike, and it can't leave the connection open forever. I think I have resolved the problem by re-issuing a connect command and then getting the database ID. Then I can use the new ID in my queries. Bob On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:01 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I've no experience with the on-rev server, but I suppose that it works > like another server. > > 1) Check your logs. Often it contains the cause of how/why you have > reach the time out. > 2) If you have parameters like on an Apache server you maybe have an > equivalent to the KeepAliveTimeout directive. From briany at qldlearning.com Tue Feb 2 19:11:25 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:11:25 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <05B0ECD0-4B68-4D04-858B-0AD1D7B16919@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> <05B0ECD0-4B68-4D04-858B-0AD1D7B16919@twft.com> Message-ID: <1AB2966F-1194-4DB2-9E3C-FA4A90035834@qldlearning.com> Although not pretty, you could possibly create a timer which just issues a useless query every 15 seconds or so: on keepAlive executeSQL connectionID, SELECT "1" send "keepAlive" to me in 15 seconds end keepAlive > Well I've discovered in my experience that ALL SQL servers have a default timeout to clear stale connections. The server doesn't know if someone pulled the plug on a computer or took a meteor strike, and it can't leave the connection open forever. > > I think I have resolved the problem by re-issuing a connect command and then getting the database ID. Then I can use the new ID in my queries. > > Bob > > > On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:01 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > >> Hi Bob, >> >> I've no experience with the on-rev server, but I suppose that it works >> like another server. >> >> 1) Check your logs. Often it contains the cause of how/why you have >> reach the time out. >> 2) If you have parameters like on an Apache server you maybe have an >> equivalent to the KeepAliveTimeout directive. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:19:55 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:19:55 +1000 Subject: Simple post examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm planning to teach my students how to post data to web servers and get > back results in their stacks. I've got a couple of examples, but I wonder if > anyone could point me to some examples that would be simple enough for > beginners. I'm thinking of things like doing a Google search from a stack, > looking up a weather report, getting local movie information, etc. Devin, lots of people have suggested GET and that seems to me a better idea than POST. GET just adds parameters to an existing URL in a way that will work in any browser as well as in a Rev script. POST is much harder to visualise as it involves sending parameters in a way that is invisible to the user. Also, you need a web site that can accept your POST data and respond in a useful manner. GET can be used with Google and many other search sites. If you want to demo POST, then I think you need to set up a page (perhaps an On-Rev page), that reads the POSTed data and displays it back to the user, perhaps with some minor processing to show that the data has really been received in a usable way. I have a test page which (among other things) allows testing of both GET & POST inputs. There is a section of the script that just reads the $_POST array and displays anything it finds. You might find that useful. Cheers, Sarah From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 2 19:26:05 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:26:05 -0800 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) Message-ID: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > The way you do Debian is, you stick with Stable, just getting the security > and occasional really major application updates, for around 2 years. This > is done with > > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade And that's why I use Ubuntu. :) In Ubuntu, you don't do anything - the OS checks for updates and prompts the user as needed, an experience very much like OS X. Mine notified me of updates just last night, and kindly reminded me that I was on battery power rather than AC, suggesting I might want to plug in because it would take a few minutes. It's that level of fit-and-finish, letting me ignore the details of the OS and focus instead on the apps I use within it, that has me enamored of the Ubuntu experience. > The idea some people advocate here, that Rev should somehow standardize on > Ubuntu, or that the world should for that matter, is a misunderstanding of > Linux, and its also just plain wrong about the standing of Ubuntu as a > distribution. For myself, my only advocacy at this point is that Rev standalones work well under Ubuntu, and if they work well there they'll work well in most distros. But as for the Rev IDE product, I don't really care as much anymore. Developers will sort it out; if Rev used a Debian package it would be a little more convenient, but it's not at all difficult to put my Rev icons where I want them in my system myself even with just a Zip file as we have now. Your earlier post about distros changed my mind about the details of how Rev plays on Linux; you raised many good points, and indeed I have come to agree that it doesn't hurt to have any number of distros available for every taste. But I've been able to relax about the variety of distros only because one of those has done such an outstanding job of focusing on simplifying the newbie experience. I'm referring of course to Ubuntu. Yes, Ubuntu is not for everyone. There are plenty to choose from, so everyone can get the exact flavor they find most tasty. There are some truly mind-blowing packages out there - I think it's safe to say that some of the boldest experimental UI work around today is being done in Linux more than on Windows or OS X. With so many different flavors there's no need for all of them to play it safe, but the one-size-fits-all OSes don't have such a luxury, needing to cater to everyone with a single product. But please remember that one man's limitations is another man's freedom. For an experienced user like yourself Ubuntu's less frequent updates isn't helpful. But for newbies, updating every day is a hassle. And for developers, less frequent releases means the platform is less of a moving target. I used to be concerned that the unique value Linux brings to the table as the world's most mature and robust free OS would be hampered by distros catering only to initiates, those who've paid their dues with make files and shell commands and generally prefer what the average computer user might think of as a bit geeky. Since then, Ubuntu has emerged as a leader for folks who want to enjoy Linux but don't want to learn it. Sure, it's as Linux as any other, so if you want to dive into the deep end there's plenty of room to swim. But for the average computer user who just wants to get stuff done, Ubuntu's focus on the end-user experience makes it quite accommodating, requiring far less prerequisite knowledge to use it effectively than any other distro I've tried. So for myself, and others who make consumer software products, Ubuntu is a very appealing target. It's bringing the benefits of Linux to an audience who might otherwise remain just a bit too intimidated to try it, and that level of broad consumer adoption can only help the Linux world as a whole. Indeed, it's essential in order to fix Bug #1. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 19:26:46 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:26:46 -0800 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quick suggestion: more later when I have time Look at the LiveHeaders in Firefox and see what the Authorization header says when you do the direct login Then add the custom header in Rev before sending. Basic Authorization is just the name and password in base64. This was part of a question I had on this list about 6 weeks ago, so do a search for 'authoriaztion' and look at the code I found that worked. Now on to my deadline. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Hi All, > > I need the ability to download a secure web page (I have the login > details) and get data from it. This is so I can allow everyone to > monitor internet usage, so we don't go over in a month and get > speed-capped to dial-up to speeds. > > On my browser, I go to > > and when I enter the name & password, I get to > which has the data I > need. > > I have tried using Rev directly: > put URL "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/" > and > put URL "https://username:password at memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/ > " > but these give no data at all. > > Then I tried curl, but I have to say I find it very confusing with > it's multitude of options. I tried several options that gave nothing > and some that gave me back a web page, but always just the login page > again. > > revBrowser allows me to get the login page, enter my details and > login, then get the html source so I can find the usage data I need, > but this is only a useful technique if I have a way to submit a form > automatically from a revBrowser. > > So does anyone have a way of getting data from a page like this? > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:36:31 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:36:31 +0100 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <05B0ECD0-4B68-4D04-858B-0AD1D7B16919@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> <05B0ECD0-4B68-4D04-858B-0AD1D7B16919@twft.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002021636l51a4c3a2oe5543c8442271f6a@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/3 Bob Sneidar : > Well I've discovered in my experience that ALL SQL servers have a default timeout to clear stale connections. The server doesn't know if someone pulled the plug on a computer or took a meteor strike, and it can't leave the connection open forever. Right. It is sometimes tedious having to manage user sessions by hand... Especially when you have the visit of a meteor in your office... 8-) I thought of a parameter like the KeepAliveTimeout as a way to maybe help solving your problem depending on what you have found in your logs. Bad thought 8-) > I think I have resolved the problem by re-issuing a connect command and then getting the database ID. Then I can use the new ID in my queries. Good. Hope it will resolved definitely your problem ;) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 2 19:53:07 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:53:07 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Okay, for anyone who is interested, the trick to adding and dropping tables (or executing any odd sql) when using sqlYoga is that you have to tell sqlYoga that the schema has changed. The easiest way to do that is reset the schema with dbschema_reset, then reconnect to the database. JUST reconnecting will NOT reload the schema causing you all kinds of headaches in the future. dbschema_reset thePriDB dbconn_disconnect thePriDB dbconn_Connect thePriDB I'm not sure you have to disconnect first but what the HEY! Also, any queries you use with sqlYoga will AUTOMATICALLY reconnect to the database. BUT if you are using the REV IDE to execute what I will call "foreign" queries, that is queries not run through sqlYoga, AND your connection has timed out, you will have problems, SO... I now use dbconn_connect before executing "foreign" queries. put "DROP TABLE 'myhostname'.'mytablename'" into theSQL -- foreign query dbconn_Connect thePriDB -- make sure we are currently connected put dbconn_get("connection id", theConnection, theDBObject) into theID -- get the current dbid revExecuteSQL theID, theSQL -- shoot the wild ass (just checking to see if you are reading the comments) -- now reload the schema dbschema_reset thePriDB -- wipes the database object clean dbconn_disconnect thePriDB -- may not need to do this... dbconn_Connect thePriDB -- this will reload the schema dbobject_save thePriDB -- ALWAYS SAVE YOUR OBJECTS! This will refresh the connection id before you execute the query and all will proceed famously. Problem solved. Bob From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Tue Feb 2 20:08:25 2010 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:08:25 +0100 Subject: Links to programs in Windows? Message-ID: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A2925@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> Thank you for the meticulous answer. However, I am a dilletant and cannot see my way through all this. We have this process: answer file "select a program" with "/C:/Documents and settings//Start Menu/Programs" , and it is a function which shall permit novice computer users to produce a few buttons inside their personal electronic diary ,permitting them to open the few other programs they will tend to use, perhaps word, picasa, mail-program, calculator, checkers...etc simplifying their everyday, and having their use of such programs logged (timeindexed) into the diary. The paradox is, that in windows, they can open the start menu, go to programs, and see all programs there, and we can move down the directories manually, and find all these links in the Start Menu/Programs folder. But Revolution cannot find them , just find a very few of them, by that Answer line. I Understand, that the line may have to be changed, in order to fit windows 7, - but as long as it doesn't work even on Windows XP that seems to be a secondary question. Maybe many scriptlines have to be concocted, to produce an acceptable result corresponding to what can be done so simply in Mac, calling "Applications". So,pragmatically: how would you script to solve the problem. That a few programs may escape, is not a serious problem in this context. Still hopefully Kresten www.phenomenalog.dk www.phenomenalog.wikispaces.com - From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Feb 2 20:18:58 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:18:58 +1100 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Sarah - I'd really like to see a solution to this as well, so if you come up with anything can you post it to the list? Best regards, Terry... On 3/02/10 11:01 AM, "Sarah Reichelt" wrote: > Hi All, > > I need the ability to download a secure web page (I have the login > details) and get data from it. This is so I can allow everyone to > monitor internet usage, so we don't go over in a month and get > speed-capped to dial-up to speeds. > > On my browser, I go to > > and when I enter the name & password, I get to > which has the data I > need. > > I have tried using Rev directly: > put URL "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/" > and > put URL > "https://username:password at memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/" > but these give no data at all. > > Then I tried curl, but I have to say I find it very confusing with > it's multitude of options. I tried several options that gave nothing > and some that gave me back a web page, but always just the login page > again. > > revBrowser allows me to get the login page, enter my details and > login, then get the html source so I can find the usage data I need, > but this is only a useful technique if I have a way to submit a form > automatically from a revBrowser. > > So does anyone have a way of getting data from a page like this? > > TIA, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 22:39:18 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:39:18 +0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <4B688638.8030908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > No that is Israeli counter intel. Apparently the Palestinian government > believed this, > Sorry List Mum, I didn't think my OT post was going to end up in an Israeli Palestinian conflict:-( In an attempt to bring the thread back OT, I've checked these out and they are pretty cool: http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/18/myvu-lcd-goggles-for-ipod-reviewed/ The problem is resolution, not focal point. At the moment these are just a gadget, your own TV at home does way better. But once someone comes out with a minimum 720p 3D compatible pair, the the ball game changes. I even know what Apple are going to call their implementation, the ultra cool, iSee (boom boom). From bvlahos at mac.com Tue Feb 2 22:50:59 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:50:59 -0800 Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <17DDB61B-878F-461A-9329-76F826736CB7@theworcestersource.com> <5B5E051D-69F4-4A16-BFE7-27B32F3FEC9B@mac.com> <4B663E74.7090600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <463A9662-0283-459E-9D39-B45C9F60568B@mac.com> This web site (http://www.iconverticons.com/) will convert between the formats for free. They talk about building the Linux icon but Rev doesn't seem to have a way to incorporate an icon for Linux. How would I add the Linux icon to the Linux build? Bill Vlahos On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Good news. > > I converted the Mac .icns file to Windows .ico format using IcoFX on Windows. Now a Windows build icon looks good even though it was built on the Mac. > > I guess Rev 3.5 was able to make a better build image from the flawed original .ico file than Rev 4. > > Thanks for the suggestions Sarah and Jacqueline. > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >>> I have noticed this in my Windows apps for ever, but are you saying >>> that if I build the apps under Windows, this problem will disappear? >>> I don't know why it happens, but if this is a valid work-around, then I'm happy. >> >> I can't say for sure, I've never used the default Rev app icons for anything except quick tests on my Mac. For cross-platform client work I've always used custom app icons, which I create with IcoFX on Windows (it's free and it works great.) They've always been fine so I didn't know until now there was ever a problem. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvlahos at mac.com Wed Feb 3 00:03:16 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:03:16 -0800 Subject: Calling stack? Message-ID: <72EFAACA-36E8-449E-B79F-2F69B3C832A6@mac.com> I have a stack that opens another stack. How do I refer to the name of the calling stack in the freshly opened stack which is now on top? Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Feb 3 00:14:25 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:14:25 +1100 Subject: Calling stack? In-Reply-To: <72EFAACA-36E8-449E-B79F-2F69B3C832A6@mac.com> Message-ID: If it's a substack the you can use 'the owner' to get the name of the main stack. Otherwise I think you'll need to store it in a variable or a custom property for future reference. How about having a property called the cCallingStack of the stack you're opening and setting it with the name of the current stack before you open the next stack... set the cCallingStack of stack to the short name\ of this stack open stack HTH, Terry... On 3/02/10 4:03 PM, "Bill Vlahos" wrote: > I have a stack that opens another stack. How do I refer to the name of the > calling stack in the freshly opened stack which is now on top? > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life > information with you, accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvlahos at mac.com Wed Feb 3 00:38:26 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:38:26 -0800 Subject: Calling stack? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00F0D40E-9110-4B48-8514-327F24977866@mac.com> Terry, "The Owner" gives me the path to the stack not the name. Perhaps I have the syntax wrong. I used "the owner of this stack". However, your other suggestion about setting the Custom Property works perfectly. Thank you, Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > If it's a substack the you can use 'the owner' to get the name of the main > stack. Otherwise I think you'll need to store it in a variable or a custom > property for future reference. > > How about having a property called the cCallingStack of the stack you're > opening and setting it with the name of the current stack before you open > the next stack... > > set the cCallingStack of stack to the short name\ > of this stack > open stack > > HTH, > > Terry... > > > On 3/02/10 4:03 PM, "Bill Vlahos" wrote: > >> I have a stack that opens another stack. How do I refer to the name of the >> calling stack in the freshly opened stack which is now on top? >> >> Bill Vlahos >> _________________ >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life >> information with you, accessible, and secure. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 3 01:24:19 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:24:19 -0800 Subject: Calling stack? In-Reply-To: <00F0D40E-9110-4B48-8514-327F24977866@mac.com> References: <00F0D40E-9110-4B48-8514-327F24977866@mac.com> Message-ID: <97376115093.20100202222419@ahsoftware.net> Bill- Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:38:26 PM, you wrote: > "The Owner" gives me the path to the stack not the name. Perhaps > I have the syntax wrong. I used "the owner of this stack". Try put the short name of stack the mainstack of this stack It's not what I would consider a good example of natural language programming, but it should do the trick. Or you could work your way through the executionContexts, but that way lies madness... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From revdev at pdslabs.net Wed Feb 3 01:30:28 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:30:28 -0800 Subject: Calling stack? In-Reply-To: <72EFAACA-36E8-449E-B79F-2F69B3C832A6@mac.com> References: <72EFAACA-36E8-449E-B79F-2F69B3C832A6@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B691804.4030303@pdslabs.net> Hi Bill, This works: on openStack answer the name of the owner of the recent card end openStack Phil On 2/2/10 9:03 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I have a stack that opens another stack. How do I refer to the name of the calling stack in the freshly opened stack which is now on top? > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 02:22:06 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:22:06 +0200 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <4B688638.8030908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69241E.9050805@gmail.com> On 02/02/2010 23:57, Bob Sneidar wrote: > No that is Israeli counter intel. Apparently the Palestinian government believed this, and informed a group of Hezbollah militants that if they turned sideways and read an old newspaper, then the Israeli snipers could not see them, and thus would be unable to shoot them. None of those belonging to the terrorist cell that attempted this have been heard from in quite a while. > > Bob > > > That is a jolly good joke. Guess what, Bob; if you and I keep on with this political banter we will both get kicked off the use-list; which would be a great pity. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 02:42:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:42:47 +0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <1265153693509-1460570.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <1265138489553-1460272.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B688153.2020403@gmail.com> <1265153693509-1460570.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B6928F7.2080202@gmail.com> On 03/02/2010 01:34, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > The way you do Debian is, you stick with Stable, just getting the security > and occasional really major application updates, for around 2 years. This > is done with > > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > > I do this every few months, and you get the base system and also the > packages updated. Also the packages, notice. Warren Woodford noticed this > with some surprise a bit ago, when Mepis moved. > > Then, when what is now Testing becomes the new Stable, you upgrade the > distribution as a whole > > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > You do this every couple of years. > > Debian is very different from Ubuntu. They both use apt for package > management, they both are based on the base Debian packages. But take a > look at exactly what gets updated, when and how, and where it comes from. > There was a reason why Mepis left Ubuntu and went back to Debian. Find out > about it. I'm not just fulminating. Or connipting either! > An awful lot of the Distro world looks a bit like Bulgarian politics to me; lots of hairy-chestedness. Our whole 'disagreement', if that is really what it is, revolves around our attitude to updating; and they are rather different because we live and work in different worlds: yours is much more 'computery' than mine is; mine largely consists of static machines in my school running one particular type of RR standalone, and a dozen or so other people who use their machines as glorified typewriters and internet exploration devices. Ubuntu serves my 'world'; I am not for the life of me going to suggest it serves yours [Surely that is the super thing about Linux - it is rather like Hinduism; something for every one, rather than a monolithic system that crushes all in its path.] I do think that things would be easier for RunRev and us (that means Thee and Me) if we knew which 'strains', 'genotypes', 'types' of Linux the RR linux release worked on before, say, installing a distro on 75 machines and then finding our standalone will not deploy successfully. > The idea some people advocate here, that Rev should somehow standardize on > Ubuntu, or that the world should for that matter, is a misunderstanding of > Linux, and its also just plain wrong about the standing of Ubuntu as a > distribution. > Cough, cough, cough . . . I would not advocate that RunRev be standardised "on Ubuntu", but I would suggest that a list of distros that the product is known to work on be supplied 'on the packet' of RR for Linux. While Linux distros are, to a certain extent, ephemeral, beyond the 'mother-ships' such as Debian rather than listing: " works on Bloblinux, Sloblinux, Floblinux . . . Uncle-Tom-Cobbley-linux' it would be sensible to put something of the sort: "Tested on Debian and major Debian derivatives." Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 02:44:57 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:44:57 +0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> References: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B692979.5000402@gmail.com> On 03/02/2010 02:26, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> The way you do Debian is, you stick with Stable, just getting the >> security >> and occasional really major application updates, for around 2 years. >> This >> is done with >> >> apt-get update >> apt-get upgrade > > And that's why I use Ubuntu. :) > > In Ubuntu, you don't do anything - the OS checks for updates and > prompts the user as needed, an experience very much like OS X. > > Mine notified me of updates just last night, and kindly reminded me > that I was on battery power rather than AC, suggesting I might want to > plug in because it would take a few minutes. It's that level of > fit-and-finish, letting me ignore the details of the OS and focus > instead on the apps I use within it, that has me enamored of the > Ubuntu experience. > > >> The idea some people advocate here, that Rev should somehow >> standardize on >> Ubuntu, or that the world should for that matter, is a >> misunderstanding of >> Linux, and its also just plain wrong about the standing of Ubuntu as a >> distribution. > > For myself, my only advocacy at this point is that Rev standalones > work well under Ubuntu, and if they work well there they'll work well > in most distros. > > But as for the Rev IDE product, I don't really care as much anymore. > Developers will sort it out; if Rev used a Debian package it would be > a little more convenient, but it's not at all difficult to put my Rev > icons where I want them in my system myself even with just a Zip file > as we have now. > > Your earlier post about distros changed my mind about the details of > how Rev plays on Linux; you raised many good points, and indeed I have > come to agree that it doesn't hurt to have any number of distros > available for every taste. > > But I've been able to relax about the variety of distros only because > one of those has done such an outstanding job of focusing on > simplifying the newbie experience. I'm referring of course to Ubuntu. > > Yes, Ubuntu is not for everyone. There are plenty to choose from, so > everyone can get the exact flavor they find most tasty. There are > some truly mind-blowing packages out there - I think it's safe to say > that some of the boldest experimental UI work around today is being > done in Linux more than on Windows or OS X. With so many different > flavors there's no need for all of them to play it safe, but the > one-size-fits-all OSes don't have such a luxury, needing to cater to > everyone with a single product. > > But please remember that one man's limitations is another man's > freedom. For an experienced user like yourself Ubuntu's less frequent > updates isn't helpful. But for newbies, updating every day is a > hassle. And for developers, less frequent releases means the platform > is less of a moving target. > > I used to be concerned that the unique value Linux brings to the table > as the world's most mature and robust free OS would be hampered by > distros catering only to initiates, those who've paid their dues with > make files and shell commands and generally prefer what the average > computer user might think of as a bit geeky. > > Since then, Ubuntu has emerged as a leader for folks who want to enjoy > Linux but don't want to learn it. Sure, it's as Linux as any other, > so if you want to dive into the deep end there's plenty of room to > swim. But for the average computer user who just wants to get stuff > done, Ubuntu's focus on the end-user experience makes it quite > accommodating, requiring far less prerequisite knowledge to use it > effectively than any other distro I've tried. > > So for myself, and others who make consumer software products, Ubuntu > is a very appealing target. It's bringing the benefits of Linux to an > audience who might otherwise remain just a bit too intimidated to try > it, and that level of broad consumer adoption can only help the Linux > world as a whole. Indeed, it's essential in order to fix Bug #1. :) > Bravo Richard, extremely well stated! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From psahores at free.fr Wed Feb 3 02:43:35 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:43:35 +0100 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I used exactly the same way than the one descibed by Sarah to set up my woooooooords.com MySQL backend and it works perfectly (some ticks, each request) in all cases (user's authentication, crosswords games storage). The main advantage of this way is that it won't stress the on-rev server at all. I can send you some code example offlist if this can help. Best, Pierre Le 2 f?vr. 10 ? 23:04, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : > I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast > for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and > phpMyAdmin first. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 3 03:33:05 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:33:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> "In Ubuntu, you don't do anything - the OS checks for updates and prompts the user as needed, an experience very much like OS X." Yes, of course standard Debian has an update manager which pops up, if you want it to work that way. That's how you will get it out of the box. I don't, I want to update what and when I want, not have it just happen. Richard, where do you think Ubuntu's update manager comes from??? Mandriva has an update manager too, which I tell people also not to use, but to do updates consciously when they are sure they want to. The difference between Debian and Ubuntu is what gets updated, and the release schedule. You are better off, for purposes of stability, with a two year major release schedule and updates of the existing release between them, than you are with Dozy Dragon coming out now and six months later being followed by Loopy Leonard. This is much closer to how both Apple and MS work. My point about the Rev support is this. I don't know exactly what you could do to STOP Rev running on Mandriva or the Slackware derivatives. Its a crazy idea. It runs on them by default. Its not that Rev has a problem with some distros, what works on one works on all. Its the generic level of feature support that is the problem. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Rev-for-Linux-was-Re-iPadding-around-tp1460131p1460886.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 03:40:25 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:40:25 +0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B693679.8000900@gmail.com> On 03/02/2010 10:33, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > "In Ubuntu, you don't do anything - the OS checks for updates and prompts the > user as needed, an experience very much like OS X." > > Yes, of course standard Debian has an update manager which pops up, if you > want it to work that way. That's how you will get it out of the box. I > don't, I want to update what and when I want, not have it just happen. > Richard, where do you think Ubuntu's update manager comes from??? Mandriva > has an update manager too, which I tell people also not to use, but to do > updates consciously when they are sure they want to. > > The difference between Debian and Ubuntu is what gets updated, and the > release schedule. You are better off, for purposes of stability, with a two > year major release schedule and updates of the existing release between > them, than you are with Dozy Dragon coming out now and six months later > being followed by Loopy Leonard. Those silly names are extremely discouraging, that I will give you . . . :) Frankly it is very cheap. > This is much closer to how both Apple and > MS work. > > My point about the Rev support is this. I don't know exactly what you could > do to STOP Rev running on Mandriva or the Slackware derivatives. Its a > crazy idea. It runs on them by default. Its not that Rev has a problem > with some distros, what works on one works on all. Its the generic level of > feature support that is the problem. > > > From michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk Wed Feb 3 04:03:53 2010 From: michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk (Michael Kristensen) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:03:53 +0100 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? Message-ID: HI THERE Can you figure a smart way to check if the flow of a polygon goes clockwise or counter-clockwise? Thanks Michael From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 04:20:44 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:20:44 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > My point about the Rev support is this. ?I don't know exactly what you could > do to STOP Rev running on Mandriva or the Slackware derivatives. ?Its a > crazy idea. ?It runs on them by default. ?Its not that Rev has a problem > with some distros, what works on one works on all. ?Its the generic level of > feature support that is the problem. Sorry to disagree Peter, It is not just at the generic level where there are problems. I am assuming by the generic level you mean the way that Rev on Linux is treated like the unloved stepchild of Windows and OS X (developer previews meant to flush out bugs only being released for OS X and Windows, the lack of features like revBrowser, persistent bugs in things like revPrintField, etc). But there are problems with distributions other than Ubuntu/Debian. Take for example this problem reported by me concerning Mandriva (and as mentioned by Runrev in the comments, also occurring on Suse): http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8513 . And someone was asking in the forums recently about his issues with getting Rev to run on Mandriva -- he couldn't even get it to start (and from previous conversations I've had with him, he was no newbie). There are several other issues I've seen where a problem would appear in one version of Linux, but be absent in another. Some of them have been reported by me in the RQCC over the years whilst I've been trying to get Rev running on Linux. This is why I think it is important that there is feature parity AND at least one distribution where Rev is known to work fully. I can see myself how much time would be consumed cross-testing on different distributions. Ubuntu has not been my preferred choice over the years, but if that is the distro they choose to support (and support fully) then I can live with that. If Runrev can offer a compelling development tool on at least one version of Linux it should lead to an increased demand for Rev on Linux. Further down the line other distros can be added to the list of 'fully supported' distributions. Bernard From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Feb 3 04:39:33 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:39:33 +0100 Subject: Links to programs in Windows? In-Reply-To: <4B6872CB.90100@web.de> References: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A28EE@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> <4B6872CB.90100@web.de> Message-ID: <1C3A52EE-75BC-431C-8E6D-72486565D724@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Florian and Kresten, You give some interesting hints, Florian, but it can't be done by RunRev as far as I know. One needs to do this with VBScript for instance. One should read out the App Paths registry key and cycle through all entries under the Software key. Because Revolution can only read data and no nodes, it can't be done. I have started working on a simple command line solution with VBScript, but I need to finish other projects first. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk Op 2 feb 2010, om 19:45 heeft Florian von Walter het volgende geschreven: > Kresten, > > it is not sufficient to search through "C:\Documents and Settings\All > Users\Start Menu\Programs". > > Many program links are created under "C:\Documents and > Settings\\Start Menu" and "C:\Documents and Settings\ > \Start > Menu\Programs". > Also "C:\Documents and Settings" doesn't always have to be there. This > can change when a power user moves user profiles away from the > standard > directory. > It can also change between Windows versions. It changed with Windows 7 > where "C:\Documents and Settings" doesn't exist anymore. It is now at > "C:\Users". "C:\Documents and Settings" under Windows 7 is just a link > to "C:\Users" now. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 04:44:32 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:44:32 +0000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > revBrowser allows me to get the login page, enter my details and > login, then get the html source so I can find the usage data I need, > but this is only a useful technique if I have a way to submit a form > automatically from a revBrowser. > > So does anyone have a way of getting data from a page like this? Sarah, it could be an issue with SSL certificates. I don't know if they are using a self-generated cert that you chose to accept in your browser some time ago (unlikely), or maybe they have a cert that came from a source that is not recognized by Rev. You could try switching off SSL certificate checking using this rev command: libUrlSetSSLVerification false before making your URL call in revTalk. That revBrowser works might suggest this is the problem. I imagine revBrowser makes any http call via the IE/Safari plugin, thus relying on their SSL handling. If this doesn't make any difference, then it looks like they are using some other kind of authorization than Basic. Actually you can test the Basic Authorization issue by loading this in your normal browser (and seeing if you get into the page you want): https://username:password at memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/ That will show whether or not Basic Authorization is acceptable. Hopefully this enables you to identify where the problem lies. Regards, Bernard From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Wed Feb 3 04:59:45 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:59:45 +0000 Subject: Windows 'run as administrator' property of standalone. In-Reply-To: <20100202140345.37B8B288233@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100202140345.37B8B288233@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Whilst trying to solve a problem of a customer, I noticed that on Vista, a standalone can have a 'run as administrator' property set, which presumably does what it says on the tin. My recollection is that Pre Vista this was a property which could be set on a shortcut, but not the standalone itself. I was wondering whether setting this before distribution might reduce the occasional permissions problems which arise. I was also slightly worried that user levels can apparently be so readily overridden by an executable, and also that there may be unforeseen (by me) adverse consequences if I set this flag before distribution. So, should I or shouldn't I? David Glasgow From viktoras at ekoinf.net Wed Feb 3 05:17:41 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:17:41 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B694D45.8080604@ekoinf.net> what about creating our own Debian based Linux distribution?.. We would give it a name of Revolinux with most of the system management utilities (or GUIs for these) written in RevTalk, its own software repositories. This would provide a lot of opportunities and motivation to test and polish Revolution on Linux. Revolution engine could also be an integral part of the distribution, well, the paid version of it ;-). And it could be released with integrated and pre-configured onRev server as well. Viktoras From h at FlexibleLearning.com Wed Feb 3 05:34:36 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:34:36 -0000 Subject: How do I resize a group when using 'grab'? In-Reply-To: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: How do I resize a group when I 'grab' a control in it so the group rect automatically expands/contracts? I'm sure I have done this before, but cannot recall how! /H From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Feb 3 05:40:57 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:40:57 +0000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sarah Not quite sure what you're wanting to do. Do you just want to get the html page normally returned after login from within a Rev script? If so, does this work? on mouseUp libUrlSetSSLVerification false ## SEE BELOW 1 put "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/login/" into tUrl put "Action=login&username=abc&password=abc" into tPostData ##SEE BELOW 2 post tPostData to url tUrl put it into field 1 if the result <> empty then answer the result end if end mouseUp Point 1 libUrlSetSSLVerification false does as Bernard says, and no check is made of the certificate. (But data is still sent encrypted) Better to set the sslCertificates to a suitable file if you have one. Point 2 Change the "abc" for username and password to the correct values. (URLEncode if they contain funny characters or spaces) When I tried it, it returned the login page again but with the "Incorrect username/password." text included, which suggests it might be doing something right. Good luck! Dave From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 05:42:01 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:42:01 +0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B694D45.8080604@ekoinf.net> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B694D45.8080604@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <4B6952F9.4000308@gmail.com> On 03/02/2010 12:17, viktoras d. wrote: > what about creating our own Debian based Linux distribution?.. We > would give it a name of Revolinux with most of the system management > utilities (or GUIs for these) written in RevTalk, its own software > repositories. This would provide a lot of opportunities and motivation > to test and polish Revolution on Linux. Revolution engine could also > be an integral part of the distribution, well, the paid version of it > ;-). And it could be released with integrated and pre-configured onRev > server as well. that's a wonderful idea! And, like most wonderful ideas will "die a death" for 2 very simple reasons: 1. Most people have enough work on their plate already. 2. "Revolinux" would be fantastic for development purposes; but I cannot see end-users installing it 'just' to run somebody's standalone; can you ? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 05:52:34 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:52:34 +0200 Subject: How do I resize a group when using 'grab'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B695572.6050809@gmail.com> On 03/02/2010 12:34, Hugh Senior wrote: > How do I resize a group when I 'grab' a control in it so the group rect > automatically expands/contracts? > > I'm sure I have done this before, but cannot recall how! > > /H > > Wow! I am naive and wishful; I tried this script in a group: on mouseDown grab me end mouseDown on grab resize me end grab and it bombed! Shame really. From viktoras at ekoinf.net Wed Feb 3 05:54:09 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:54:09 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B6952F9.4000308@gmail.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B694D45.8080604@ekoinf.net> <4B6952F9.4000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6955D1.3010603@ekoinf.net> I agree :-), still a) is also valid for developers of any other existing Linux distribution - given enough motivation, people manage to cope with their plates; b) if onRev server is included, then it is not limited to development, but can also be deployed as a server (you know LAMP, so this could be LAMR or even RAMR ;-) ). Viktoras Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 03/02/2010 12:17, viktoras d. wrote: >> what about creating our own Debian based Linux distribution?.. We >> would give it a name of Revolinux with most of the system management >> utilities (or GUIs for these) written in RevTalk, its own software >> repositories. This would provide a lot of opportunities and >> motivation to test and polish Revolution on Linux. Revolution engine >> could also be an integral part of the distribution, well, the paid >> version of it ;-). And it could be released with integrated and >> pre-configured onRev server as well. > > that's a wonderful idea! And, like most wonderful ideas will "die a > death" for > 2 very simple reasons: > > 1. Most people have enough work on their plate already. > > 2. "Revolinux" would be fantastic for development purposes; but I > cannot see > end-users installing it 'just' to run somebody's standalone; can > you ? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 05:54:52 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:54:52 +1000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: > Sarah > > Not quite sure what you're wanting to do. Do you just want to get the html page normally returned after login from within a Rev script? Yes. That way I can get the data automatically, without having to log in manually with my browser. > > If so, does this work? > > on mouseUp > ?libUrlSetSSLVerification false ## SEE BELOW 1 > ? put "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/login/" into tUrl > ? put "Action=login&username=abc&password=abc" into tPostData ##SEE BELOW 2 > > ? post tPostData to url tUrl > ? put it into field 1 > ? if the result <> empty then > ? ? ?answer the result > ? end if > end mouseUp > > Point 1 > libUrlSetSSLVerification false does as Bernard says, and no check is made of the certificate. (But data is still sent encrypted) Better to set the sslCertificates to a suitable file if you have one. > > Point 2 > Change the "abc" for username and password to the correct values. (URLEncode if they contain funny characters or spaces) > > When I tried it, it returned the login page again but with the "Incorrect username/password." text included, which suggests it might be doing something right. If I try with the wrong login details, I get that "Incorrect username/password." page, but if I use my real login details, I get no page, but the result is "error 302 Moved Temporarily". Bernard: Trying the web address with the username & password included in my browser doesn't work either - I just get the login page again, so I guess that means it isn't just basic auth. So I will try it on Firefox and see if I can get the custom headers as Jim suggested. I usually do this on my work computer, so I will check tomorrow to see if I have a certificate there. Thanks all, Sarah From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Feb 3 06:04:36 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:04:36 +0000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3 Feb 2010, at 10:54, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: >> Sarah >> >> Not quite sure what you're wanting to do. Do you just want to get the html page normally returned after login from within a Rev script? > > Yes. That way I can get the data automatically, without having to log > in manually with my browser. > >> >> If so, does this work? >> >> on mouseUp >> libUrlSetSSLVerification false ## SEE BELOW 1 >> put "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/login/" into tUrl >> put "Action=login&username=abc&password=abc" into tPostData ##SEE BELOW 2 >> >> post tPostData to url tUrl >> put it into field 1 >> if the result <> empty then >> answer the result >> end if >> end mouseUp >> >> Point 1 >> libUrlSetSSLVerification false does as Bernard says, and no check is made of the certificate. (But data is still sent encrypted) Better to set the sslCertificates to a suitable file if you have one. >> >> Point 2 >> Change the "abc" for username and password to the correct values. (URLEncode if they contain funny characters or spaces) >> >> When I tried it, it returned the login page again but with the "Incorrect username/password." text included, which suggests it might be doing something right. > > > If I try with the wrong login details, I get that "Incorrect > username/password." page, but if I use my real login details, I get no > page, but the result is "error 302 Moved Temporarily". What happens if you try "get" instead of "post" get url "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/login/?Action=login&username=abc&password=abc" (Not sure about that final forward slash.) libUrl will follow redirects (the 302 response) when using "get" but not "post" If it won't accept "get", look in the headers returned from "post" (using libUrlLastRhHeaders()) and try to find the "Location:" header. With a bit* of luck, it will contain the URL with the data you need. (* maybe a lot of luck) Cheers Dave From h at FlexibleLearning.com Wed Feb 3 06:42:42 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:42:42 -0000 Subject: How do I resize a group when using 'grab'? In-Reply-To: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: P.S. The 'grab' command does not update the formattedRect of the group, so "set the rect of grp 1 to the formattedRect of grp 1" has no effect. I recently wrote: > How do I resize a group when I 'grab' a control in it so the group rect automatically expands/contracts? > > I'm sure I have done this before, but cannot recall how! /H From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 06:42:42 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:42:42 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B6955D1.3010603@ekoinf.net> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B694D45.8080604@ekoinf.net> <4B6952F9.4000308@gmail.com> <4B6955D1.3010603@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: Actually Viktoras, it might not be as much work as at first seems. OpenSuse have now produced a system whereby one can choose to build one's own version of Linux "in the cloud". When all the configuration is done, the distro can then just be downloaded and installed. It is certainly within the realms of possibility that RunRev could produce a linux distribution that worked and included Rev in it. Anyone who decided to go with that distribution could then connect to OpenSuse repositories (or even set up an OpenSuse DVD as their own local repository) and add additional packages to their own installation. I believe this might still not be the solution that Linux users like Peter want. Whether or not RunRev could use the same distro on their on-rev servers depends on their service provider. As I've got a hunch that Rev is using Linode for on-rev, then I can say that I know definitively that it is possible to run one of these OpenSuse distros on Linode.com Bernard On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, viktoras d. wrote: > I agree :-), still > > a) is also valid for developers of any other existing Linux distribution - > given enough motivation, people manage to cope with their plates; > > b) if onRev server is included, then it is not limited to development, but > can also be deployed as a server (you know LAMP, so this could be LAMR or > even RAMR ;-) ). > > Viktoras From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 06:45:30 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:45:30 +0000 Subject: Windows 'run as administrator' property of standalone. In-Reply-To: References: <20100202140345.37B8B288233@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:59 AM, David Glasgow wrote: > I was wondering whether setting this before distribution might reduce the occasional permissions problems which arise. ?I was also slightly worried that user levels can apparently be so readily overridden by an executable, and also that there may be unforeseen (by me) adverse consequences if I set this flag before distribution. Hi David On Vista always have to run Valentina Studio with "run as administrator" or I get errors. I would be surprised if you choosing to set such a flag on an executable would result in that information being carried over when the executable is copied to another system. Bernard From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Wed Feb 3 06:51:01 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:51:01 +0000 Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac In-Reply-To: <20100203105455.AA6432882E7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100203105455.AA6432882E7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Bill, I got quite excited about this, because I have struggled to get nice looking Windows icons. The Mac icon generated by iconverticons.com was fine, but the Win version choked the Rev standalone builder "does not include 6 blah blah blah". I have encountered this lots of times with icons from various tools purporting to generate valid Windows icons So I imported it into Iconographer, and chose 'complete icon' from the icon menu, and it did some stuff. The resulting icon is now acceptable to Rev at build time, but doesn't look good on Vista, and behaves as if some sizes are missing (they're not, as far as I can tell). Why are icons so blimmin' tricky? David Glasgow On 3 Feb 2010, at 10:54 am, Bill Vlahos wrote: > > Subject: Re: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > > > This web site (http://www.iconverticons.com/) will convert between the formats for free. > > They talk about building the Linux icon but Rev doesn't seem to have a way to incorporate an icon for Linux. How would I add the Linux icon to the Linux build? > > Bill Vlahos From bvg at mac.com Wed Feb 3 09:21:02 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:21:02 +0100 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B6952F9.4000308@gmail.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <1265185985579-1460886.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B694D45.8080604@ekoinf.net> <4B6952F9.4000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19C1BAA4-850E-4281-BC77-ADBEC49DA91F@mac.com> Are you nuts? No value??? this is the elusive x-talk OS! The holy grail and final goal of all x-talk evolution! you blasphemer, heretic, burn him! *foam* ;) On 3 Feb 2010, at 11:42, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 03/02/2010 12:17, viktoras d. wrote: >> what about creating our own Debian based Linux distribution?.. We would give it a name of Revolinux with most of the system management utilities (or GUIs for these) written in RevTalk, its own software repositories. This would provide a lot of opportunities and motivation to test and polish Revolution on Linux. Revolution engine could also be an integral part of the distribution, well, the paid version of it ;-). And it could be released with integrated and pre-configured onRev server as well. > > that's a wonderful idea! And, like most wonderful ideas will "die a death" for > 2 very simple reasons: > > 1. Most people have enough work on their plate already. > > 2. "Revolinux" would be fantastic for development purposes; but I cannot see > end-users installing it 'just' to run somebody's standalone; can you ? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 09:47:52 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:47:52 -0600 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> Michael, I assume you are talking about 2D polygons... Just take a 3D cross product of the first two vector (P3 - P2) x (P2 - P1). If the resultant vector is coming out of the screen (Z < 0) then the polygon is counter-clockwise. If it is going into the screen (Z > 0) then the polygon is clockwise. http://chortle.ccsu.edu/VectorLessons/vch12/vch12_1.html That page may be of help if you don't know what the cross product is. Note: to do the 3D cross product, just use Z=0 for all the points. HTH, Jeff M. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Michael Kristensen < michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk> wrote: > HI THERE > > Can you figure a smart way to check if the flow of a polygon goes clockwise > or counter-clockwise? > > > Thanks > Michael > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 3 10:07:14 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:07:14 -0500 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> Message-ID: <6ED74B36-7C52-41FF-8748-B1A7937D7DA6@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 2, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I think I see what is going on here. The connection is being made > with sqlYoga initially, but of course like every good server, on-rev > drops the connection after a period of inactivity. Now normally I > would execute an SQL statement through sqlYoga, but there is no > function or command as yet that allows me to simply execute an SQL > statement and return a result, or not that I have been able to find. Except for dbconn_executeSQL of course :-) http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/docs/sql_yoga/api_docs/Documents/stack_libSQLYoga_command_dbconn_executeSQL.htm -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 3 10:12:51 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:12:51 -0800 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) Message-ID: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > Sorry to disagree Peter, It is not just at the generic level where > there are problems. I am assuming by the generic level you mean the > way that Rev on Linux is treated like the unloved stepchild of Windows > and OS X (developer previews meant to flush out bugs only being > released for OS X and Windows, the lack of features like revBrowser, > persistent bugs in things like revPrintField, etc). At the risk of soundy all FOSSy, is the problem with the scripted elements like revPrintField something that one of us scripters could address? As for RevBrowser, I'd love to see that for Linux too. As an external, the code is separate from the main code base and so the Linux verison could conceivably be farmed out. I would be willing to toss in a few bucks toward that. Anyone else interested in funding that development? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 3 10:15:39 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:15:39 -0500 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26A2ECF5-050D-4185-AFB8-0F5495E38586@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 2, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Okay, for anyone who is interested, the trick to adding and dropping > tables (or executing any odd sql) when using sqlYoga is that you > have to tell sqlYoga that the schema has changed. The db schema that SQL Yoga caches shouldn't affect running random SQL commands. The schema is used when you work with SQL Query and SQL Record objects. > The easiest way to do that is reset the schema with dbschema_reset, > then reconnect to the database. JUST reconnecting will NOT reload > the schema causing you all kinds of headaches in the future. > > dbschema_reset thePriDB > dbconn_disconnect thePriDB > dbconn_Connect thePriDB You should use dbobject_reloadSchema for this. http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/docs/sql_yoga/api_docs/Documents/stack_libSQLYoga_command_dbobject_reloadSchema.htm You can find more info about the schema in the lesson "Introduction to the Database Object and Database Schema": http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/sqlyoga/lessons/6870-Introduction-to-the-Database-Object-and-Database-Schema > Also, any queries you use with sqlYoga will AUTOMATICALLY reconnect > to the database. SQL Yoga looks for the MySQL has gone away error and tries to reconnect to the database automatically before returning an error. > BUT if you are using the REV IDE to execute what I will call > "foreign" queries, that is queries not run through sqlYoga, AND your > connection has timed out, you will have problems, SO... > I now use dbconn_connect before executing "foreign" queries. > > put "DROP TABLE 'myhostname'.'mytablename'" into theSQL -- > foreign query > dbconn_Connect thePriDB -- make sure we are currently connected > put dbconn_get("connection id", theConnection, theDBObject) into > theID -- get the current dbid > revExecuteSQL theID, theSQL -- shoot the wild ass (just checking > to see if you are reading the comments) As I mentioned in the previous email you can use dbconn_executeSQL here which is easier. > -- now reload the schema > dbschema_reset thePriDB -- wipes the database object clean > dbconn_disconnect thePriDB -- may not need to do this... > dbconn_Connect thePriDB -- this will reload the schema > dbobject_save thePriDB -- ALWAYS SAVE YOUR OBJECTS! Your code here can be: dbobject_reloadSchema thePriDB dbobject_save thePriDB -- ALWAYS SAVE YOUR OBJECTS! Note that SQL Yoga is going to query your database again to get all of the table information. This means you should do this after finishing all alterations to your database. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 3 10:23:24 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:23:24 -0500 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: > What happens if you try "get" instead of "post" > > get url "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/login/?Action=login&username=abc&password=abc > " > > (Not sure about that final forward slash.) > > libUrl will follow redirects (the 302 response) when using "get" but > not "post" > > If it won't accept "get", look in the headers returned from > "post" (using libUrlLastRhHeaders()) and try to find the "Location:" > header. With a bit* of luck, it will contain the URL with the data > you need. (* maybe a lot of luck) I added support for following 302 with POST, DELETE and PUT requests in the version of libURL that comes with the GLX App Framework. I haven't documented it outside of the source code but if you need to use POST Sarah and a 302 is being sent then download the GLX App Framework files, grab the custom version of libURL and search for this string: ## POST, PUT, DELETE. Look for callback, otherwise we ignore. Framework home page: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/ -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed Feb 3 10:33:17 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:33:17 -0800 Subject: lockLoc OR LockSize? (but not both) Message-ID: <92FF19C6-BEFD-422F-BCAA-DA73D81DA9B1@cruzio.com> Is there a property for locking just the size of an object while allowing a manual move? Setting the lockLoc to true does locks down both size and location. If it isn't possible do each individually, why is that? Shouldn't it be possible? Thanks, Mark From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Feb 3 10:40:47 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:40:47 +0000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3 Feb 2010, at 15:23, Trevor DeVore wrote: > I added support for following 302 with POST, DELETE and PUT requests in the version of libURL that comes with the GLX App Framework. But then it isn't standards compliant. :-) From rfc2616 "If the 302 status code is received in response to a request other than GET or HEAD, the user agent MUST NOT automatically redirect the request unless it can be confirmed by the user, since this might change the conditions under which the request was issued." The server should really return 303 for these cases. But I think most browsers redirect using GET on 302. Cheers Dave From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 3 10:49:39 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:49:39 -0800 Subject: lockLoc OR LockSize? (but not both) In-Reply-To: <92FF19C6-BEFD-422F-BCAA-DA73D81DA9B1@cruzio.com> Message-ID: Recently, Mark Swindell wrote: > Is there a property for locking just the size of an object while allowing a > manual move? Nope. > Setting the lockLoc to true does locks down both size and > location. Yes. > If it isn't possible do each individually, why is that? Shouldn't it be > possible? This is possible. You can move locked objects with arrowkeys (1 and 10 pixel increments using shift), and you can reposition an object by script, such as using the "grab" command or using a custom drag routine, ie Hope this helps. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 3 10:58:33 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:58:33 -0500 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: > On 3 Feb 2010, at 15:23, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> I added support for following 302 with POST, DELETE and PUT >> requests in the version of libURL that comes with the GLX App >> Framework. > > But then it isn't standards compliant. :-) > > From rfc2616 > > "If the 302 status code is received in response to a request other > than GET or HEAD, the user agent MUST NOT automatically redirect the > request unless it can be confirmed by the user, since this might > change the conditions under which the request was issued." That is why I installed a callback when I implemented it :-) Basically a developer registers a callback for 301, 302 and 307 by issuing the command libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback. libURL then sends the message and the developer returns a value. If it is "redirect" then libURL redirects. If it is "get" then libURL fetches the new URL using "get". Any other value performs default libURL behavior which returns "socket closed before end of file". -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Feb 3 11:43:07 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:43:07 -0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> Hello Folks, arriving late on the thread. I used many linux distros till I finally settled on OpenSUSE 11.2. I find Ubuntu very charming and used it from Gusty Gibbon till Karmic Koala (can't remember version numbers but I love those silly names, was waiting for hungry hippo), it was fun to use and it was the first Gnome desktop that I could actually understand, me being a KDE person from the start. What moved me away from ubuntu was the mess that is sound under linux, it is a hit or miss, or it works or you're in very murky waters. PulseAudio, ALSA, OSS, they are all crap and conflict with each other. Video cards are also cumbersome, my PC has an onboard intel chipset that till today is not well supported. When I tried openSUSE, it just worked out of the box both video and sound. It was more polished than ubuntu for me, I really liked their gnome theme. It was somewhat a struggle to move from apt to zypper but they work basically the same, the package names change though and that is the hard part. Revolution works well on OpenSUSE and with that in mind, I decided that SUSE was the way to go for me. Now on the topic of creating our own distro, I did that! I created "Andre SUSE Distro" using Suse Studio service. Suse Studio is the most awesome and elegant web service I ever seen. It basically allow you to choose from multiple packages and everything, to configure all you want and then it will build you an ISO or a VMWare image. You can even try your system online thru a web VNC session, you don't even need to install it at home. Using this system I created an almost barebones version of suse that would pack RevEnterprise and RevWeb (that old alpha one). I haven't told anyone about it because it packs RevEnterprise with my license, I made this system basically for my own consumption, it allows me to move from bare bones pc to fully configured and ready linux with a single DVD. http://susestudio.com/ If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse that would bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license on first run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine under vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux without the need to a full linux hardware. :D Cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 3 12:11:43 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:11:43 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <26A2ECF5-050D-4185-AFB8-0F5495E38586@mangomultimedia.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <819608E2-EFF6-4BA0-9EE3-D9116B6A98DD@twft.com> <64bda6471002021601o2d1733b6k8659c31d1967ee89@mail.gmail.com> <26A2ECF5-050D-4185-AFB8-0F5495E38586@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: Ok Trevor thanks a bunch. I obviously have to go back to the docs and learn more. I thought I had read through the API and didn't find a command that would work for me. Bob On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 2, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Okay, for anyone who is interested, the trick to adding and dropping tables (or executing any odd sql) when using sqlYoga is that you have to tell sqlYoga that the schema has changed. > > The db schema that SQL Yoga caches shouldn't affect running random SQL commands. The schema is used when you work with SQL Query and SQL Record objects. > From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 3 12:27:02 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:27:02 -0800 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> References: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <36E005A8-F5C0-42C6-9C36-D260CABD44BB@twft.com> I guess the upshot of this whole discussion is that everything is a tradeoff. To gain stability we have to lose some freedom. The most stable government is a dictatorship, where only one man's wishes are done and everyone complies with the standard he issues. But of course, nobody wants that. Excepting the dictator of course. :-) Same thing with software and operating systems. People have complained against the rigid control Apple maintains on development of their operating systems (Microsoft is no different) and hardware, but the end result is stability and predictability (not perfection I know). So it's all about balance. How much freedom are we willing to give up for stability and predictability in our computing world? The answer is different for every person. For me, and IT guy, I am willing to give up a LOT of freedom, and restrict the freedom of my users, so that my job does not become orders of magnitude more complex and overwhelming. For the guy whose computer is his own personal digital erector set, he will give up very little freedom. For me, I am willing to go with the OS that the most developers will tackle, because they know it's not a moving target. I am rewarded with software like Runtime Revolution. But the erector set guy has to face the likelihood that mainstream software is not going to be available for his system. He will have to choose from the offerings of other erector set guys (and very talented and productive ones I admit.) Bob On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > But please remember that one man's limitations is another man's freedom. For an experienced user like yourself Ubuntu's less frequent updates isn't helpful. But for newbies, updating every day is a hassle. And for developers, less frequent releases means the platform is less of a moving target. From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Feb 3 12:28:35 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:28:35 +0000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On 3 Feb 2010, at 15:58, Trevor DeVore wrote: > That is why I installed a callback when I implemented it :-) I should have known you'd have taken care of things like that. Cheers Dave From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed Feb 3 12:31:09 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:31:09 +0100 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <36E005A8-F5C0-42C6-9C36-D260CABD44BB@twft.com> References: <4B68C29D.60301@fourthworld.com> <36E005A8-F5C0-42C6-9C36-D260CABD44BB@twft.com> Message-ID: <84AFABC8-5B54-4953-AA7C-D9D38ABD63F8@numericable.com> YES !! Le 3 f?vr. 2010 ? 18:27, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > I guess the upshot of this whole discussion is that everything is a tradeoff. To gain stability we have to lose some freedom. The most stable government is a dictatorship, where only one man's wishes are done and everyone complies with the standard he issues. But of course, nobody wants that. Excepting the dictator of course. :-) > > Same thing with software and operating systems. People have complained against the rigid control Apple maintains on development of their operating systems (Microsoft is no different) and hardware, but the end result is stability and predictability (not perfection I know). So it's all about balance. How much freedom are we willing to give up for stability and predictability in our computing world? The answer is different for every person. > > For me, and IT guy, I am willing to give up a LOT of freedom, and restrict the freedom of my users, so that my job does not become orders of magnitude more complex and overwhelming. For the guy whose computer is his own personal digital erector set, he will give up very little freedom. > > For me, I am willing to go with the OS that the most developers will tackle, because they know it's not a moving target. I am rewarded with software like Runtime Revolution. But the erector set guy has to face the likelihood that mainstream software is not going to be available for his system. He will have to choose from the offerings of other erector set guys (and very talented and productive ones I admit.) > > Bob > > > On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> But please remember that one man's limitations is another man's freedom. For an experienced user like yourself Ubuntu's less frequent updates isn't helpful. But for newbies, updating every day is a hassle. And for developers, less frequent releases means the platform is less of a moving target. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 3 12:31:27 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:31:27 -0800 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Andre you are a certified genius. Bob On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse that would > bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license on first > run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine under > vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux without the > need to a full linux hardware. > > :D > > Cheers > andre From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 3 12:34:45 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:34:45 -0800 Subject: iPadding around? In-Reply-To: <4B69241E.9050805@gmail.com> References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <4B688638.8030908@gmail.com> <4B69241E.9050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: I apologize to any number of people I may have offended, but you have to admit, it was dam funny. :-) Bob On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/02/2010 23:57, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> No that is Israeli counter intel. Apparently the Palestinian government believed this, and informed a group of Hezbollah militants that if they turned sideways and read an old newspaper, then the Israeli snipers could not see them, and thus would be unable to shoot them. None of those belonging to the terrorist cell that attempted this have been heard from in quite a while. >> >> Bob >> >> >> > That is a jolly good joke. > > Guess what, Bob; if you and I keep on with this political banter we will both get kicked off the use-list; > which would be a great pity. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Feb 3 12:37:26 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:37:26 EST Subject: lockLoc OR LockSize? (but not both) Message-ID: Is this so that one doesn't inadvertantly grab a handle and change the size? You can set a custom property and trap the resizecontrol message, I guess: The "lockrect" property might be something like "82,23" on resizecontrol set the width of me to item 1 of the lockRect of me set the height of me to item 2 of the lockrect of me end resizecontrol It won't actually lock the rect when dragging a handle, but at least restores it when you stop. I tried this with mouseMove, and sometimes it worked. But now I always get recursion timeouts. Craig Newman From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 3 13:19:07 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:19:07 -0600 Subject: How do I resize a group when using 'grab'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B69BE1B.5010405@hyperactivesw.com> Hugh Senior wrote: > How do I resize a group when I 'grab' a control in it so the group rect > automatically expands/contracts? > > I'm sure I have done this before, but cannot recall how! Set the group's boundingRect property. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 3 13:25:34 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:25:34 -0600 Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20100203105455.AA6432882E7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B69BF9E.9060506@hyperactivesw.com> David Glasgow wrote: > So I > imported it into Iconographer, and chose 'complete icon' from the > icon menu, and it did some stuff. The resulting icon is now > acceptable to Rev at build time, but doesn't look good on Vista, and > behaves as if some sizes are missing (they're not, as far as I can > tell). Iconographer has been unsupported for years now, and has a significant bug that clips some icons off halfway. I had to stop using it. Except for a commercial Photoshop plugin that you have to purchase, I don't know of any good Mac utilities that will create suitable Windows icons for Rev. If anyone knows, I'd love to know too. But creating icons in Windows is easy using a Windows-native icon editor, and if you are developing for Windows anyway then it isn't hard to just do the icons over there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 3 13:26:56 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:26:56 -0600 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse that would > bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license on first > run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine under > vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux without the > need to a full linux hardware. Yes! That'd be great, Mr. Resident Genius. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Feb 3 13:34:14 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:34:14 -0200 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> I am no genius, the guys at SUSE (Novell??) are. They made the software, I am just using it. Speaking of software, suse studio is giving me error 500 as of half an hour ago. Must be overwhelmed, as soon as I it is up and running I will try to cook something. Now, a simple pool, for those wanting a linux image for testing, how big it could be, meaning what is the upper size limit that you would download. Anyone here remembers what are Rev Linux dependencies: * Pango? * all g libs? * qt? Cheers andre On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Andre Garzia wrote: > > If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse that >> would >> bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license on first >> run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine under >> vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux without the >> need to a full linux hardware. >> > > Yes! That'd be great, Mr. Resident Genius. :) > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From psahores at free.fr Wed Feb 3 13:34:29 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:34:29 +0100 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F3243D6-7887-4E97-BC30-EDDDE6DE5A6F@free.fr> Hi Andre, Very interessant synthese. Thanks. It seems it would be a good idea to be back to Suse (i used it from the 5.3 to 9.2 distros, in the past, at the time it was the most usable on the different platforms i had to do with, Yast behind... :-). Never had only one problem to run MC nor Rev on my Suse configs ;-) Kind Regards, Pierre Le 3 f?vr. 10 ? 17:43, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > Hello Folks, > > arriving late on the thread. > > I used many linux distros till I finally settled on OpenSUSE 11.2. I > find > Ubuntu very charming and used it from Gusty Gibbon till Karmic Koala > (can't > remember version numbers but I love those silly names, was waiting for > hungry hippo), it was fun to use and it was the first Gnome desktop > that I > could actually understand, me being a KDE person from the start. > What moved > me away from ubuntu was the mess that is sound under linux, it is a > hit or > miss, or it works or you're in very murky waters. PulseAudio, ALSA, > OSS, > they are all crap and conflict with each other. Video cards are also > cumbersome, my PC has an onboard intel chipset that till today is > not well > supported. When I tried openSUSE, it just worked out of the box both > video > and sound. It was more polished than ubuntu for me, I really liked > their > gnome theme. > > It was somewhat a struggle to move from apt to zypper but they work > basically the same, the package names change though and that is the > hard > part. Revolution works well on OpenSUSE and with that in mind, I > decided > that SUSE was the way to go for me. > > Now on the topic of creating our own distro, I did that! I created > "Andre > SUSE Distro" using Suse Studio service. Suse Studio is the most > awesome and > elegant web service I ever seen. It basically allow you to choose from > multiple packages and everything, to configure all you want and then > it will > build you an ISO or a VMWare image. You can even try your system > online thru > a web VNC session, you don't even need to install it at home. Using > this > system I created an almost barebones version of suse that would pack > RevEnterprise and RevWeb (that old alpha one). I haven't told anyone > about > it because it packs RevEnterprise with my license, I made this system > basically for my own consumption, it allows me to move from bare > bones pc to > fully configured and ready linux with a single DVD. > > http://susestudio.com/ > > If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse > that would > bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license on > first > run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine > under > vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux without > the > need to a full linux hardware. > > :D > > Cheers > andre > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From psahores at free.fr Wed Feb 3 13:42:38 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:42:38 +0100 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <773DAE91-837F-4399-8B44-89D9A8FC3BA1@free.fr> Andre, If my memory don't freeze ;-) libXext.so.6, libX11.so.6, libm.so.6, libc.so.6, ld-linux.so. 2libraries are needed and installed out of most of the recent distributions, as long as the XWindows support is configured. Best, Pierre Le 3 f?vr. 10 ? 19:34, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > I am no genius, the guys at SUSE (Novell??) are. They made the > software, I > am just using it. > > Speaking of software, suse studio is giving me error 500 as of half > an hour > ago. Must be overwhelmed, as soon as I it is up and running I will > try to > cook something. > > Now, a simple pool, for those wanting a linux image for testing, how > big it > could be, meaning what is the upper size limit that you would > download. > > Anyone here remembers what are Rev Linux dependencies: > * Pango? > * all g libs? > * qt? > > > > Cheers > andre > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:26 PM, J. Landman Gay >wrote: > >> Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse that >>> would >>> bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license >>> on first >>> run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine >>> under >>> vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux >>> without the >>> need to a full linux hardware. >>> >> >> Yes! That'd be great, Mr. Resident Genius. :) >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From briany at qldlearning.com Wed Feb 3 13:47:25 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:47:25 -0800 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <83364332-8C9C-4624-936B-FDEF1EF11973@qldlearning.com> One possibility for RevBrowser would be to build an alternative using WebKit (aka Chrome, Safari engine). That would allow for the same browser engine on all 3 platforms, instead of locking down projects to the lowest common denominator (i.e., IE). It would certainly support Linux as that is the "original" platform. Beside Linux support the one thing that has kept me nervous about using RevBrowser is that it comes with the usual cross-browser issues! > Bernard Devlin wrote: > >> Sorry to disagree Peter, It is not just at the generic level where >> there are problems. I am assuming by the generic level you mean the >> way that Rev on Linux is treated like the unloved stepchild of Windows >> and OS X (developer previews meant to flush out bugs only being >> released for OS X and Windows, the lack of features like revBrowser, >> persistent bugs in things like revPrintField, etc). > > At the risk of soundy all FOSSy, is the problem with the scripted elements like revPrintField something that one of us scripters could address? > > As for RevBrowser, I'd love to see that for Linux too. As an external, the code is separate from the main code base and so the Linux verison could conceivably be farmed out. > > I would be willing to toss in a few bucks toward that. Anyone else interested in funding that development? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From h at FlexibleLearning.com Wed Feb 3 14:35:11 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:35:11 -0000 Subject: How do I resize a group when using 'grab'? In-Reply-To: <20100203180003.F076228833B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Q: How do I update the dimensions of a group when I 'grab' a control? 'Grab' is a really simple way of moving an object in 'browse' mode: Just 'grab me' in a mouseDown, and the object tracks the mouse until mouseUp (see the docs). There is, however, a problem when you 'grab' a control in a group. The dimensions of a group do not automatically change to fit the repositioned control, nor is the group's formattedRect updated. This means you can easily drag an object out of sight to an inaccessible position. This is a 'bad thing'. It took me a while, but the trick here is to understand that the formattedRect of the containing group is only updated when a geometric property of a control (top, bottom, left, right, width, height etc) is changed. The following is a simplified group script: This fails to update the rect of the group... on mouseDown --| User clicks and drags a control in the group grab the target end mouseDown on mouseMove --| Resize the group... set the rect of this group to the formattedRect of this group end mouseMove This works... on mouseDown grab the target end mouseDown on mouseMove --| Force the formattedRect to update... set the top of the target to (the top of the target)+1 set the top of the target to (the top of the target)-1 --| Now the group can be resized... set the rect of this group to the formattedRect of this group end mouseMove Maybe this will help someone searching the archives. /H From film2 at handheldfilm.com Wed Feb 3 15:15:31 2010 From: film2 at handheldfilm.com (Emmett Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:15:31 -0500 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20100203180003.F076228833B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100203180003.F076228833B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: How do you tell Rev to do something useful via applescript? I tried tell application "Revolution Media" activate --would like ideally first to: do script "go stack " & quote & "Foo" & quote & " in a new window" --but I couldn't even get the next command to work if the stack was already open and frontmost do script "create card" end tell Nothing happens other than activation. While I'm asking, the next things I would want to have happen are to put the clipboard into a field and send a mouseUp to a button. From rick-rice at shaw.ca Wed Feb 3 15:57:16 2010 From: rick-rice at shaw.ca (Rick Rice) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:57:16 -0800 Subject: stack compatibility Message-ID: <4C8FD0CD-B019-49FB-89D3-518DB068532D@shaw.ca> Will stacks created with Rvolution 2.6.1 run under the latest Microsft OS "Windows 7" and the latest Macintosh OS "Snow Leopard"? Thanks. From kee at kagi.com Wed Feb 3 15:59:52 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:59:52 -0800 Subject: AppleEvents and RunRev In-Reply-To: References: <20100203180003.F076228833B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Emmett Gray wrote: > How do you tell Rev to do something useful via applescript? > > I tried > > tell application "Revolution Media" > activate > --would like ideally first to: do script "go stack " & quote & "Foo" & quote & " in a new window" > --but I couldn't even get the next command to work if the stack was already open and frontmost > do script "create card" > end tell > > Nothing happens other than activation. While I'm asking, the next things I would want to have happen are to put the clipboard into a field and send a mouseUp to a button. This is what worked for me. I was running Leopard (10.5.2) on a Power PC, and using Revolution 2.8.1 when I wrote these instructions. Assume they still work today. 1. Open Revolution 2. File / New Mainstack 3. Object / Stack Script 4. enter the following script on barklikeadog additionalStuff return "arf arf" && the seconds && additionalStuff end barklikeadog 5. Apply, close the stack script 6. Object / Stack Inspector Name: AppleEventCatcher 7. close the inspector 8. File / Save 9. File / Standalone Application Settings 10. Windows Build for: (de-select the checkbox) 11. close the Standalone Application Settings window 12. File / Save 13. File / Save As Standalone Application 14. Quit Revolution 15. in the Finder, go to the newly created Mac application "AppleEventCatcher" and with the control key down, click on the application. Select "Show Package Contents" 16. Go to Contents / Resources / Revolution.rsrc and change the name of that file to AppleEventCatcher.rsrc 17. close the Show Package Contents window 18. Open Apple's Script Editor. 19. In the script window enter the following script: property thescript : [] on run copy "barklikeadog beg" to thescript tell application "asdfgh" activate do script thescript end tell end run 20. Don't press the Compile button. 21. File / Save and it will ask you where asdfgh is located. Select the newly modified Mac application "AppleEventCatcher" 22. Press the Run button 23. The Result window should display something like: "arf arf 1206236082 beg" From what I can see, the communication style I am using does not permit more that one word to be sent from the Script Editor to the application. My way around that is to URLencode what I wish to send and then URLdecode in the application. I don't know what kinds of payload limits there are going to and coming from the application. Kee Nethery From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 16:07:46 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:07:46 +0100 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: <20100203180003.F076228833B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002031307p171656f6i13ce8abd1c8665cf@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/3 Emmett Gray : > How do you tell Rev to do something useful via applescript? > > I tried > > tell application "Revolution Media" > activate > ? --would like ideally first to: do script "go stack " & quote & "Foo" & > quote & " in a new window" > ? --but I couldn't even get the next command to work if the stack was > already open and frontmost > ? do script "create card" > end tell > > Nothing happens other than activation. While I'm asking, the next things I > would want to have happen are to put the clipboard into a field and send a > mouseUp to a button. > _______________________________________________ Hi Emmett, It is not necessary that the stack be at the frontmost to make it react with applescript. Simply specify the stack you need as follows: tell application "Revolution" to do script "create card to stack \"TheSlugLab\"" -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 16:28:15 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:28:15 +0100 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: <20100203180003.F076228833B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002031328q11aca4ffi82e3a5aaabf7bfb8@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/3 Emmett Gray : > Nothing happens other than activation. While I'm asking, the next things I > would want to have happen are to put the clipboard into a field and send a > mouseUp to a button. Try this: tell application "Revolution" do script "if the clipboard is text then go cd \"MyCard\" of stack \"TheSlugLab\" select text of fld \"MyField\" paste send \"mouseUp\" to btn \"MyButton\" end if" end tell HTH -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 3 16:41:29 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:41:29 -0800 Subject: stack compatibility In-Reply-To: <4C8FD0CD-B019-49FB-89D3-518DB068532D@shaw.ca> References: <4C8FD0CD-B019-49FB-89D3-518DB068532D@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I wouldn't count on compiled apps. Both OS versions you mentioned have moved quite a bit forward. The old stacks, of course could be used and compiled on the newer IDE and engine. sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 3 February 2010 12:57, Rick Rice wrote: > Will stacks created with Rvolution 2.6.1 run under the latest Microsft OS > "Windows 7" and the latest Macintosh OS "Snow Leopard"? > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 17:31:05 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:31:05 +0100 Subject: lockLoc OR LockSize? (but not both) In-Reply-To: <92FF19C6-BEFD-422F-BCAA-DA73D81DA9B1@cruzio.com> References: <92FF19C6-BEFD-422F-BCAA-DA73D81DA9B1@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002031431j31b4ae19lb86d4dc2d02819c@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/3 : > Is this so that one doesn't inadvertantly grab a handle and change the > size? > > You can set a custom property and trap the resizecontrol message, I guess: > > The "lockrect" property might be something like "82,23" > > on resizecontrol > set the width of me to item 1 of the lockRect of me > set the height of me to item 2 of the lockrect of me > end resizecontrol > > It won't actually lock the rect when dragging a handle, but at least > restores it when you stop. > > I tried this with mouseMove, and sometimes it worked. But now I always get > recursion timeouts. If needed you can also change the size of your object with arrowkeys. http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/images/stories/Download/Tools/Resize%20controls%20with%20arrowkeys.rev.zip -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 3 17:55:05 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:55:05 +0000 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> Jeff Massung wrote: > Michael, > > I assume you are talking about 2D polygons... > > Just take a 3D cross product of the first two vector (P3 - P2) x (P2 - P1). > If the resultant vector is coming out of the screen (Z < 0) then the polygon > is counter-clockwise. If it is going into the screen (Z > 0) then the > polygon is clockwise. > > http://chortle.ccsu.edu/VectorLessons/vch12/vch12_1.html > > That page may be of help if you don't know what the cross product is. Note: > to do the 3D cross product, just use Z=0 for all the points. > > Well, I confess I don't properly remember what the cross-product is, so I will go read that page. But even without doing so, I am sure that this can't be a correct solution; the following two polygons have opposite flow, but P1, P2 and P3 are the same 0,0; 100,0; 100,100; 0,0 (i.e. a counter-clockwise triangle) 0,0; 100,0; 100,100; 200,100; 200,-10; 0,-10; 0,0 (i.e. a clockwise L-shape) I'll post a couple of suggested solutions shortly (once I've got the stack running properly) -- Alex. From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Wed Feb 3 18:05:31 2010 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:05:31 +0100 Subject: Hypercard import ? Message-ID: <63B3A617-DB74-43AD-BD26-D212AB8591F4@mac.com> I'm using Rev/enterprise version 4.5.0. with Leopard X.6.2 on a MacPro. I would like to convert an old Hypercard stack to Runrev. I did it a few years ago with an old version of Rev. I can't do it today. I can't open the stack directly from Rev, the stack isn't seen from Rev. I can't change the "Open with" of the 'Information Window' from Hypercard to Revolution. My question is: "Can Rev V.4.5 open and convert an hypercard Stack ?" What are the solutions to do it ? Many thanks to any one who could give me an idea Pierre From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 18:08:06 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:08:06 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <83364332-8C9C-4624-936B-FDEF1EF11973@qldlearning.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <83364332-8C9C-4624-936B-FDEF1EF11973@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > One possibility for RevBrowser would be to build an alternative using WebKit (aka Chrome, Safari > engine). That would allow for the same browser engine on all 3 platforms, instead of locking down > projects to the lowest common denominator (i.e., IE). It would certainly support Linux as that is > the "original" platform. I think this is an interesting proposition. Although my understanding is that when Apple made their modifications to Konqueror, they returned the changes "as one large tarball". I think that meant that no-one in the Linux world has re-integrated the changes. Where Chrome sits in relation to WebKit, I'm not sure. I don't know if Google took Webkit and built on that. Bernard From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 3 18:12:10 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:12:10 -0800 Subject: Hypercard import ? In-Reply-To: <63B3A617-DB74-43AD-BD26-D212AB8591F4@mac.com> References: <63B3A617-DB74-43AD-BD26-D212AB8591F4@mac.com> Message-ID: hold the optionkey down before opening dialog. That should over-ride the type filtering at the system level. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/2/3 Pierre > > I'm using Rev/enterprise version 4.5.0. with Leopard X.6.2 on a MacPro. > I would like to convert an old Hypercard stack to Runrev. > I did it a few years ago with an old version of Rev. > I can't do it today. > I can't open the stack directly from Rev, the stack isn't seen from Rev. > I can't change the "Open with" of the 'Information Window' from Hypercard > to Revolution. > > My question is: "Can Rev V.4.5 open and convert an hypercard Stack > ?" > What are the solutions to do it ? > > Many thanks to any one who could give me an idea > > Pierre_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 18:14:58 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:14:58 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > At the risk of soundy all FOSSy, is the problem with the scripted elements > like revPrintField something that one of us scripters could address? I'm just re-iterating Peter's long-standing problems with Rev on Linux. I've never managed to get Rev working long enough to get anywhere near trying to print things out. My problems have been at a far more basic level than that. If Peter does not repeat his problems here, I'll look through the list and RQCC and try to produce a summary. > As for RevBrowser, I'd love to see that for Linux too. ?As an external, the > code is separate from the main code base and so the Linux verison could > conceivably be farmed out. > > I would be willing to toss in a few bucks toward that. ?Anyone else > interested in funding that development? I am. Bernard From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed Feb 3 18:22:26 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:22:26 -0800 Subject: lockLoc OR LockSize? (but not both) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's what I thought, but wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something obvious. It makes no sense (to me) to have these be a joint property. They are two separate things. Example: I have several images I want to drag around and reposition on a card, but I also want to constrain their size to 200,200. It would be nice to be able to do this in the IDE without the risk of images blowing up all over the place. (Returning from editing a group, for example... surprise!) Is there some structural reason within Rev that the status quo has to be as it is? If not, this strikes me as a good feature enhancement... why not have two separate properties... what do others think? Mark On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:37 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Is this so that one doesn't inadvertantly grab a handle and change the > size? > > You can set a custom property and trap the resizecontrol message, I guess: > > The "lockrect" property might be something like "82,23" > > on resizecontrol > set the width of me to item 1 of the lockRect of me > set the height of me to item 2 of the lockrect of me > end resizecontrol > > It won't actually lock the rect when dragging a handle, but at least > restores it when you stop. > > I tried this with mouseMove, and sometimes it worked. But now I always get > recursion timeouts. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Wed Feb 3 18:22:47 2010 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:22:47 +0100 Subject: Hypercard import ? Solved In-Reply-To: References: <63B3A617-DB74-43AD-BD26-D212AB8591F4@mac.com> Message-ID: <3132544C-1DAC-4EA5-B869-D0B5247AC975@mac.com> Many thanks Stephan Pierre Le 4 f?vr. 2010 ? 00:12, stephen barncard a ?crit : > hold the optionkey down before opening dialog. > > That should over-ride the type filtering at the system level. > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > 2010/2/3 Pierre > >> >> I'm using Rev/enterprise version 4.5.0. with Leopard X.6.2 on a MacPro. >> I would like to convert an old Hypercard stack to Runrev. >> I did it a few years ago with an old version of Rev. >> I can't do it today. >> I can't open the stack directly from Rev, the stack isn't seen from Rev. >> I can't change the "Open with" of the 'Information Window' from Hypercard >> to Revolution. >> >> My question is: "Can Rev V.4.5 open and convert an hypercard Stack >> ?" >> What are the solutions to do it ? >> >> Many thanks to any one who could give me an idea >> >> Pierre_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 18:27:23 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:27:23 -0600 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? In-Reply-To: <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> References: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002031527v6a19f6b5mc506bc5d680ea52d@mail.gmail.com> Michael, Sorry, but the problem you are running into is that (in your second example) you are working with a concave polygon instead of convex. I promise, using the cross-product is correct. Concave polygons get tricky, because the winding actually does - in fact - change direction. You - as a human - are simply looking at the resulting, whole polygon and making a determination from that, which is actually wrong. You have a couple options: 1. Perform the cross product across all points from last to first - exactly as I originally described, and count the winding directions of each, taking the greater of the two. 2. If you know the majority of your polygons are shaped a particular way, an often-used trick is to take P(N), P(2), and P(1) and simply use those as a quick and dirty test. Option #1 will produce the desired, correct result, but takes more time. Option #2 can very often be wrong, but given your use-cases could be right 100% of the time. Jeff M. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > >> Michael, >> >> I assume you are talking about 2D polygons... >> >> Just take a 3D cross product of the first two vector (P3 - P2) x (P2 - >> P1). >> If the resultant vector is coming out of the screen (Z < 0) then the >> polygon >> is counter-clockwise. If it is going into the screen (Z > 0) then the >> polygon is clockwise. >> >> http://chortle.ccsu.edu/VectorLessons/vch12/vch12_1.html >> >> That page may be of help if you don't know what the cross product is. >> Note: >> to do the 3D cross product, just use Z=0 for all the points. >> >> >> > Well, I confess I don't properly remember what the cross-product is, so I > will go read that page. > > But even without doing so, I am sure that this can't be a correct solution; > the following two polygons have opposite flow, but P1, P2 and P3 are the > same > > 0,0; 100,0; 100,100; 0,0 (i.e. a counter-clockwise triangle) > 0,0; 100,0; 100,100; 200,100; 200,-10; 0,-10; 0,0 (i.e. a clockwise > L-shape) > > I'll post a couple of suggested solutions shortly (once I've got the stack > running properly) > > -- Alex. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 3 19:22:05 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:22:05 +0000 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002031527v6a19f6b5mc506bc5d680ea52d@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> <963c86eb1002031527v6a19f6b5mc506bc5d680ea52d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6A132D.1020601@tweedly.net> Jeff Massung wrote: > Michael, > > Sorry, but the problem you are running into is that (in your second example) > The examples were from me (Alex) not Michael :-) > you are working with a concave polygon instead of convex. Yes. Exactly. There *are* polygons which are concave. We could all look at them and agree on where the inside of the polygon is, and therefore all agree on whether the perimeter is defined clockwise or anti-clockwise around that interior. > I promise, using > the cross-product is correct. > If you define the problem space to be limited to convex polygons, then it is correct. But if you want to handle all (or almost all - see below) polygons, then it is not correct. > Concave polygons get tricky, because the winding actually does - in fact - > change direction. You - as a human - are simply looking at the resulting, > whole polygon and making a determination from that, which is actually > wrong. > > The conclusion that you arrive at from looking at the whole polygon is correct; the winding around the interior is consistent; the direction change in co-ordinate space changes, but not relative to the interior. > You have a couple options: > > 1. Perform the cross product across all points from last to first - exactly > as I originally described, and count the winding directions of each, taking > the greater of the two. > > Sorry, that doesn't work consistently either. Picture a regular 12-sided figure, with two sides vertical, and defined counter-clockwise. The c-p will give the same answer for all 12 vertices. Then draw a much larger square around it, such that one of the vertical sides of the square overlaps the vertical side of the shape (and the square encloses the shape). Now "erase" the line segment which is shared - we now have a 16-sided figure, and let's define it in the order that the points from the original 12-sided figure remain counter-clockwise. (Note that the area inside the original figure is now outside this new figure). This new figure is actually (according to humans :-) defined clockwise - but the c-p will still give the same answer for all those original points, so it would have 10 saying counter-clockwise, and only the 6 new ones would say clockwise - and hence get the wrong answer. > 2. If you know the majority of your polygons are shaped a particular way, an > often-used trick is to take P(N), P(2), and P(1) and simply use those as a > quick and dirty test. > > Option #1 will produce the desired, correct result, but takes more time. > Option #2 can very often be wrong, but given your use-cases could be right > 100% of the time. > Option #1 gives unreliable answers in some cases, such as the example above. Option #2 gives very unreliable answers And there are simple (though not super-fast) solution that get the answer correct (i.e. agreeing with what a person would say) for all cases where people would agree. There are more complex cases (e.g. self-inverting polygons, which you could argue are malformed polygons) where there is probably no correct answer. -- Alex. From massung at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 19:33:02 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:33:02 -0600 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? In-Reply-To: <4B6A132D.1020601@tweedly.net> References: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> <963c86eb1002031527v6a19f6b5mc506bc5d680ea52d@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A132D.1020601@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002031633y63488e7dn88583952a102e345@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > >> Michael, >> >> Sorry, but the problem you are running into is that (in your second >> example) >> >> > The examples were from me (Alex) not Michael :-) > > Lol, I noticed that just as I hit "send" ;-) Yes. There are insane cases for which there may - in fact - be no correct answer (especially if the polygon does intersect with each other... at which point the debate begins on the definition of "polygon" beyond just being "an n-sided object"). Neither of us can say what Michael's original use cases are/were, and hopefully the cross-product solution works for him just fine. The options I gave for concave polygons (assuming no intersections) do work and are used in tessellation algorithms and elsewhere. There's no need to complicate the solution w/o even knowing if the problem warrants it. ;-) Jeff M. From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 3 19:33:56 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:33:56 +0000 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? In-Reply-To: <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> References: <963c86eb1002030647i7569b591x53dbea1993ff6337@mail.gmail.com> <4B69FEC9.8060802@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B6A15F4.8020704@tweedly.net> Alex Tweedly wrote: > > I'll post a couple of suggested solutions shortly (once I've got the > stack running properly) > There are two approaches (at least) that consistently get the same answers as we all intuitively "know" are correct. By AREA. Calculate the (signed) area between each edge and some baseline (i.e. the area enclosed by the edge itself, its projectino onto the baseline and the two projection lines). Sum this area for all edges. Looking at whether this is positive or negative gives an answer. By Point. Find the leftmost, lowest point (**). (i.e. the one with the lowest X value, and of all those having the same X value, the lowest Y value). (Note that this same point (value) can occur multiple times in a polygon, due to self-intersection or self-overlapping polygons - this doesn't matter, just pick any of those points). Looking at the previous and next points, determine the change of direction implied for these two edges (you could use the cross-product to do this, or simply normalize and compare the gradients). (**) - this description assumes 'normal' cartesian coordinates. Beware that RunRev uses a coordinate system where the vertical axis is "upside-down", so increasing Y values are associated with moving downawards. Some sample code - adopted from elsewhere (and translated into revtalk) - with only moderate testing, but I'm fairly confident I converted it fairly accurately. (It's a bit wordy, but seemed clearer that way). > constant kDebug = false > on mouseUp > put empty into field "F" > repeat with i = 1 to the number of controls > if char 2 to -2 of word 2 of the name of control i = "Polygon" then > repeat for each line L in the points of control i > put L & "; " after field "F" > end Repeat > put CR after field "F" > if calculateflowusingarea (i, kDebug) then > put "counterclockwise" & CR after field "F" > else > put "clockwise" & CR after field "F" > end if > if calculateflowusingpoint (i, false) then > put "counterclockwise" & CR after field "F" > else > put "clockwise" & CR after field "F" > end if > end if > end repeat > end mouseUp > > function calculateflowusingarea P, pDebug > put the points of control P into tPoints > put item 1 of line 1 of tPoints into x2 > put item 2 of line 1 of tPoints into y2 > put 0 into total > repeat for each line L in tPoints > put x2 into x1 > put y2 into y1 > put item 1 of L into x2 > put item 2 of L into y2 > put (x2-x1) * (0.5*(y1+y2)) into t > if pDebug then put (x2-x1) && (x2-x1)*0.5*(y2+y1) && x1 && y1 && > x2 && y2 && t & CR after field F > add t to total > put L into tLast > end repeat > > -- close the polygon in the case where Rev has an open polygon > if tLast <> line 1 of tPoints then > put x2 into x1 > put y2 into y1 > put item 1 of line 1 of tPoints into x2 > put item 2 of line 1 of tPoints into y2 > put (x2-x1) * (0.5*(y1+y2)) into t > if pDebug then put (x2-x1) && (x2-x1)*0.5*(y2+y1) && x1 && y1 && > x2 && y2 && t & CR after field F > add t to total > end if > if pDebug then put "Total is " & total & CR after field "F" > return total > 0 -- i.e. true if the polygon is counter-clockwise > end calculateflowusingarea > > function calculateflowusingpoint P, pDebug > put the points of control P into tPoints > -- find the leftmost, lowest point > put item 1 of line 1 of tPoints into x > put item 2 of line 1 of tPoints into y > repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tPoints > if item 1 of line i of tPoints < x or \ > (item 1 of line i of tPoints = x and item 2 of line 1 of > tPoints <= y) then > put item 1 of line i of tPoints into x > put item 2 of line i of tPoints into y > put i into tOne > end if > end repeat > > -- find the adjacent points > switch tOne > case 1 > put the number of lines in tPoints into tPrev > put 2 into tNext > break > case the number of lines in tPoints > put tOne-1 into tPrev > put 1 into tNext > -- special case where the poly is already closed !! > if line tOne of tPoints = line 1 of tPoints then put 2 into tNext > break > default > put tOne-1 into tPrev > put tOne+1 into tNext > break > end switch > > if pDebug then put x && y && tPrev && tOne && tNext & CR after > field "F" > if pDebug then put line tPrev of tPoints && x && y && line tNext of > tPoints & CR after field "F" > -- now deal with the end-cases > if item 1 of line tPrev of tPoints = x then return false -- > incoming edge is vertical, so counter > if item 1 of line tNext of tPoints = x then return true -- outgoing ... > -- so can safely that x-delta's are non-zero > put (y-item 2 of line tPrev of tPoints) / (x-item 1 of line tPrev > of tPoints) into yprev > put (y-item 2 of line tNext of tPoints) / (x-item 1 of line tNext > of tPoints) into ynext > if pDebug then put "ys are " && yprev && ynext & CR after field "F" > > if yprev < ynext then return true > return false > > end calculateflowusingpoint From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 19:40:43 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:40:43 +1000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: OK, I think I'm going round in every decreasing circles.... but I thought I would describe the steps I am taking, in case anyone else found it useful. Using Firefox and Firebug to check what is going on, I see the following: I connect to . I enter my details and these get POST'ed. The result is a 302 that redirects to , using GET with no parameters. This page has the data that I need. As far as I can see, there are no authentication headers, although there is response header: "Set-Cookie:global_auth=....". But checking the request headers for the second page (after the 302), I see that there was a header: "Cookie:JSESSIONID=444F4BE5150F4897E7B2A88BB12E7D5D; global_auth=..." Not surprisingly, the global_auth section of the Cookie matches global_auth section of the Set-Cookie response from the original page. The JSESSIONID seems to be generated by the browser as part of the original request. Setting the httpHeaders to this and using get URL "https://memberservices.optuszoo.com.au/myusage/" with no user name & password supplied, did give me the data I needed.... sometimes :-( Both the JSESSIONID and the global_auth vary on repeated tests, although I can see my user name embedded in the global_auth, as well as a consistent set of numbers that is presumably my password encrypted. I have found that sometimes I get a JSESSIONID returned as part of the libURLLastRHHeaders() from the login page, and sometimes I get the global_auth. But I haven't been able to predict what I will get. If I don't get the global_auth, then even using a previous JSESSIONID & global_auth does not seem to work. Sigh..... Trevor, I downloaded your framework and got the modified libURL, but the stack won't open - it says it is corrupt. I wonder is this due to the multi-dimensional arrays stored as custom properties bug? I opened the stack in a text editor and copied the scripts into a new stack and tried using it instead, but not even a basic "get" worked then, so I can't have done that right. So a few questions for Trevor: - is there a version of your libURL that opens in Rev 4.0 or 4.5? - how do I make it the default instead of the current one? - how do I set up the callback? I am familiar with using callbacks for the asynchronous FTP commands but then I create a handler that gets the callback message and processes it. What do I need to do in this callback handler to make it follow the redirect? Jim, I found your earlier thread about this sort of thing, but even following your advice about headers, I still can't get it to work reliably. Thanks everyone for your patience and helpful suggestions. Cheers, Sarah From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 3 19:42:45 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:42:45 -0800 Subject: On-Rev Long Delays (final pass) Message-ID: <25C29A68-D993-415E-AD6E-DCF7DF92499D@twft.com> Hi all. I am going to make one more attempt at this before I drop it. When I try to execute queries against the on-rev mySQL server, and there has been a long period of idle time, the query takes a very long time to execute, and in the end the query fails. Even a simple query like "SHOW TABLES" will fail so I know it is not my Sequel that is the problem, and anyway, when I copy/paste my Sequel to an SQL utility, it works famously. It is my opinion that on-rev does not respond to queries made with a dropped connection, even to report an error. Normally a local mySQL server would return some kind of error, but I believe that the on-rev site has a mechanism, perhaps to prevent a brute force attack, whereby it will not respond to bad connections. If anyone can confirm or deny this theory it would help me sleep much better. Bob From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 3 20:19:34 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:19:34 -0500 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Trevor, I downloaded your framework and got the modified libURL, but > the stack won't open - it says it is corrupt. I wonder is this due to > the multi-dimensional arrays stored as custom properties bug? > I opened the stack in a text editor and copied the scripts into a new > stack and tried using it instead, but not even a basic "get" worked > then, so I can't have done that right. The custom version of libURL is actually a plain text document. Here are the instructions for installing it: http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5615-How-Do-I-Install-the-Custom-Version-of-libURL- This version of libURL will also handle cookies for you seamlessly. > So a few questions for Trevor: > - is there a version of your libURL that opens in Rev 4.0 or 4.5? > - how do I make it the default instead of the current one? See instructions. > - how do I set up the callback? I am familiar with using callbacks for > the asynchronous FTP commands but then I create a handler that gets > the callback message and processes it. What do I need to do in this > callback handler to make it follow the redirect? libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback registers a callback: libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback pMessage, pObject Just pass the name of the message that should be sent and the long id of the object the message should be sent to. If no object is specified then it is assumed the callback message is in the message path. From the callback you should return "redirect" if you would like to try the POST again using new url. Return "get" if you want to GET the contents of the new URL. Return anything else to let libURL do what it would normally do. libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback "RedirectRequestCallback", the long id of stack "MyStack" command RedirectRequestCallback pMethod, pURL, pStatusCode, pRedirectURL -- return "redirect" or "get" or empty end RedirectRequestCallback -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 21:04:37 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:04:37 +1000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: > The custom version of libURL is actually a plain text document. Here are the > instructions for installing it: > > http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5615-How-Do-I-Install-the-Custom-Version-of-libURL- > > This version of libURL will also handle cookies for you seamlessly. > >> So a few questions for Trevor: >> - is there a version of your libURL that opens in Rev 4.0 or 4.5? >> - how do I make it the default instead of the current one? > > See instructions. > >> - how do I set up the callback? I am familiar with using callbacks for >> the asynchronous FTP commands but then I create a handler that gets >> the callback message and processes it. What do I need to do in this >> callback handler to make it follow the redirect? > > libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback registers a callback: > > libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback pMessage, pObject > > Just pass the name of the message that should be sent and the long id of the > object the message should be sent to. If no object is specified then it is > assumed the callback message is in the message path. > > From the callback you should return "redirect" if you would like to try the > POST again using new url. Return "get" if you want to GET the contents of > the new URL. Return anything else to let libURL do what it would normally > do. > > libURLSetFollowRedirectCallback "RedirectRequestCallback", the long id of > stack "MyStack" > > command RedirectRequestCallback pMethod, pURL, pStatusCode, pRedirectURL > ? ?-- return "redirect" or "get" or empty > end RedirectRequestCallback Thanks for all this Trevor. I installed your custom libURL fine thanks. It now redirects but it doesn't get me where I want, instead I get:
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So progress, but still not there.... Cheers, Sarah From film2 at handheldfilm.com Wed Feb 3 22:20:39 2010 From: film2 at handheldfilm.com (Emmett Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:20:39 -0500 Subject: How to use Applescript to Run RunRev Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:07:46 +0100, zryip theSlug wrote: > >2010/2/3 Emmett Gray : >> How do you tell Rev to do something useful via applescript? Simply specify the stack you need as follows: >tell application "Revolution" to do script "create card to stack >\"TheSlugLab\"" > Well this gave me confidence that this should be easy. So I tried doing something else trivial - just navigating to a card. Bingo. So then I R'dTFM. There's a tip at the bottom of the dictionary page on "create card" that I missed. It says you need to do this: set the defaultStack to "My Stack" create card and lo and behold, it worked as did everything else I added to my script. Yay. And thanks for the tip about using backslashes to escape the quotes instead of the cumbersome & quote & syntax. If Rev isn't already running, I couldn't get it to open the stack I want to use. So I used the Finder. tell application "Finder" if (exists process "Revolution") is false then tell application "Revolution Media" to activate delay 2 -- otherwise the freeware nag window stays in front end if open alias "path:to:myStack" end tell tell application "Revolution Media" do script "go stack \"myStack\" set the defaultStack to \"myStack\" create card" -- etc. etc. end tell From mpetrides at earthlink.net Wed Feb 3 22:41:49 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:41:49 -0600 Subject: iPadding around? Video glasses (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> Message-ID: <3D59CD38-2124-46B4-9AF5-29A6E9046790@earthlink.net> >>>>mated to a pair of LCD 3D compatible goggles + earphones. Ooooooohhhhh.... I love the idea! Video glasses that not only simulate a 50 inch screen but also do HD 3G. Now THAT I could go for!! But, then I'm not sure where the iPad would fit into this schema, since the video glasses should obviate the need for a video screen and could just as easily be used with an iPod nano as video source. Oh, well... From katir at hindu.org Thu Feb 4 00:11:39 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:11:39 -1000 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Navigator - Alpha Test Open Message-ID: <4B6A570B.3050004@hindu.org> Namaste, Aloha and "Oi" from Kauai, Hawaii and Niteroi, Brazil: Hinduism Today and Andre Garzia are happy to announce that the latest incarnation of Hinduism Today Digital Edition has been released under a new name: Hinduism Today Navigator I want to thank both Andre for his hard work on this and Trevor DeVore for the brilliant additions to our RunRev world, the data grid, SQL yoga and GLX that Andre used to build this and RunRev for the new graphic effects which finally make people say "Wow, it's beautiful!" And to Jerry Daniels for making development process with tRev, so "sweet". We would like anyone who has time to hammer hard on this one: http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/wfchannel/index.php?wfc_cid=29 FYI: this is a broadband product (free) We bundle a lot of content with the standalone, for a 30MB download, after that, online line transactions are small unless you ask for a PDF. Send any "no holds barred" feedback to katir at hindu.org andre at andregarzia.com Sorry, no Linux version: our media player requires Flash to run inside the RevBrowser window. I'm calling this a beta version but Andre prefers "alpha" -- in case you find any bugs then we can just say: "Well, its an alpha version after all... " (smile) but in house tests on 8 different Macs and 10 different Windows users all look good so we are widening the test group to include all RunRev'ers. All the best from Chilly Kauai. When I went for a swim in the Wailua this morning, air was about 54 and the water 65... that's about as cold as it gets here. Thank you for taking the time to try it out. Sivakatirswami ps. Is anyone seeing the 20 pixel "menu shift" bug? appears as a strip of background at the bottom of the stack/card that should not be there. And if anyone is connecting through a proxy, we would like to know that is working. From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 4 00:24:29 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:24:29 -1000 Subject: Links to programs in Windows? In-Reply-To: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A2925@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> References: <7A47FC91544BDC44B54C6807E6995019017A2925@ibtmail1.ibt.ku.dk.ad> Message-ID: <000001caa55a$5407afb0$fc170f10$@com> Kresten, The quickest way on a PC would be to use the registry because it is in memory. But, if you are not comfortable with this, you can get a complete list of all "installed" programs on a PC by walking down the Program Files directory and all of it subdirectories and looking for .exe files. I don't think you are going to find what you are looking for where you are looking because even if it exists, it would contain .lnk files which are shortcuts themselves. Here is some code you could use to get a list of all EXE files on XP and Vista/7. It can take a while (many seconds on a large system) because for example, in my case there are almost 20,000 directories to search because you cannot look at just the root directories under Program Files because programs like Word are in sub-sub-directories. You will also probably end up with a much larger list of programs than you need, so you will probably want to add filters by say having a list of directories you are interested in and skip entire directory trees if they are not on your list. But any way, this following code will give you all programs on a PC. You can modify it with filters to shorten its search. I didn't use recursion, because you can easily hit the recursion limit. local sFolderList, sProgramList, sCnt ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo put 0 into sCnt put empty into sFolderList put empty into sProgramList GetAllExecutables REPEAT WHILE line 1 of sProgramList <> "Done" -- Necessary because not using recursion wait 0 milliseconds with messages END repeat put sProgramList -- Test line can be removed delete line 1 of sProgramList -- Do any processing of sProgramList here END mouseUp ON GetAllExecutables pCurrentFolder local tRootFolder, tFileList, tSubFolderList ---- put "C:/Program Files/" into tRootFolder IF sFolderList is empty THEN SET the defaultfolder to tRootFolder put URLDecode(the folders) into sFolderList filter sFolderList without ".*" -- You can filter other directories out here put line 1 of sFolderList into pCurrentFolder END if IF pCurrentFolder is empty THEN exit GetAllExecutables IF char -1 of pCurrentFolder <> "/" THEN put "/" after pCurrentFolder SET the defaultfolder to (tRootFolder & pCurrentFolder & "/") put the files into tFileList filter tFileList with "*.exe" filter tFileList without "uninstall*" REPEAT FOR each line tFile in tFileList put (the defaultFolder & "/" & tfile) into line (the number of lines in sProgramList +1) of sProgramList END repeat delete line 1 of sFolderList put URLDecode(the folders) into tSubFolderList filter tSubFolderList without ".*" IF tSubFolderList <> empty THEN REPEAT FOR each line tSubfolder in tSubFolderList put pCurrentFolder & tSubFolder & "/" & cr before sFolderList END repeat END if IF sFolderList is empty THEN put "Done" & cr before sProgramList exit GetAllExecutables END if put line 1 of sFolderList into pCurrentFolder ----- add 1 to sCnt -- Test line can be removed put sCnt -- Test line can be removed ----- send "GetAllExecutables" && pCurrentFolder to me in 0 milliseconds -- use send to not hit recursion limit END GetAllExecutables Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Kresten Bjerg wrote: > Thank you for the meticulous answer. However, I am a dilletant and > cannot see my way through all this. > > We have this process: > > answer file "select a program" with "/C:/Documents and > settings//Start Menu/Programs" > > , and it is a function which shall permit novice computer users to > produce a few buttons inside their personal electronic diary > > ,permitting them to open the few other programs they will tend to use, > perhaps word, picasa, mail-program, calculator, checkers...etc > > simplifying their everyday, and having their use of such programs > logged (timeindexed) into the diary. > > The paradox is, that in windows, they can open the start menu, go to > programs, and see all programs there, > > and we can move down the directories manually, and find all these > links > in the Start Menu/Programs folder. > > But Revolution cannot find them , just find a very few of them, by > that > Answer line. > > > > I Understand, that the line may have to be changed, in order to fit > windows 7, - but as long as it doesn't work even on Windows XP > > that seems to be a secondary question. > > Maybe many scriptlines have to be concocted, to produce an acceptable > result corresponding to what can be done so simply in Mac, > > calling "Applications". > > So,pragmatically: how would you script to solve the problem. > > That a few programs may escape, is not a serious problem in this > context. > > Still hopefully > > Kresten > > > > www.phenomenalog.dk > www.phenomenalog.wikispaces.com > > > > > - > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk Thu Feb 4 03:28:40 2010 From: michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk (Michael Kristensen) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:28:40 +0100 Subject: Polygonflow: clockwise or counter-clockwise? Message-ID: <69334A15-1A73-4A8E-81D5-9009612C5524@dsa-net.dk> Thanks to Jeff and Alex for your replies Alex, your script worked perfectly. Thanks I needed to do the check in two cases: 1. I needed to calculate the area of multiple polygons by "stringing" them together in one superpolygon. If they did'nt have the same flowdirection the calculation would be wrong. 2. If you need to string two polygons together and one is to act as a punch-out for the first, the two polygons must have opposite flowdirection. Otherwise the area will be wrong. It is so easy to see the direction, but relatively difficult to calculate the direction. Thanks again to both of you. Michael From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Feb 4 05:06:33 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:06:33 -0800 Subject: More on Performance Message-ID: I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for maximizing the responsiveness of controls during a tight "send in..." loop. I just discovered an odd (but perhaps expected?) relationship between the send command and locking the screen. It seems that placing "send in..." within a handler that locks and unlocks the screen significantly increases screen refresh performance compared to executing the send AFTER unlocking the screen. I suppose this might be due to Rev being able to cue the next send before updating the screen but I would have expected send to operate independently of the screen update. At first I was thrilled to uncover this, as I've spent the last day trying to enhance the performance of a heavily animated stack, but I was quickly disappointed to find that controls on the card become extremely sluggish and less responsive when the send occurs before the screen unlock. For example, a custom slider bogs down heavily and doesn't respond properly, compared to when the send occurs AFTER the screen unlock. I tried creating a temporary condition (controlActive) that is established when a control is clicked, which the send handler could check and then adjust the timing of the unlock screen appropriately. But so far I'm not seeing any change in the (poor) behavior. I will continue testing. Has anybody else run into this? What strategies do you employ to get the best responsiveness out of your apps during tight repeat loops? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From viktoras at ekoinf.net Thu Feb 4 05:49:34 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:49:34 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6AA63E.5090300@ekoinf.net> Thank you Andre! That's what I call a community - one day one wrote "wouldn't it be nice to have own Revolinux distro" and the next day he is about to download it :-) It would be good to make it small enough to fit into a single CD/LiveCD. Thanks again and Best wishes! Viktoras Andre Garzia wrote: > I am no genius, the guys at SUSE (Novell??) are. They made the software, I > am just using it. > > Speaking of software, suse studio is giving me error 500 as of half an hour > ago. Must be overwhelmed, as soon as I it is up and running I will try to > cook something. > > Now, a simple pool, for those wanting a linux image for testing, how big it > could be, meaning what is the upper size limit that you would download. > > Anyone here remembers what are Rev Linux dependencies: > * Pango? > * all g libs? > * qt? > > > > Cheers > andre > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > >> Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> If people here are so inclined, I can try to build a simple suse that >> >>> would >>> bundle Rev without a license (so you would need to put a license on first >>> run) and some useful tools. You could run it as a virtual machine under >>> vmware or virtualbox and thus test your software under linux without the >>> need to a full linux hardware. >>> >>> >> Yes! That'd be great, Mr. Resident Genius. :) >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > > > From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu Feb 4 06:28:13 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:28:13 +0100 Subject: More on Performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use a lot of loop-type "send X in 0 millisec" in my application "Exagofon" and I actually noticed that the process (music) was significantly faster when a window (Finder [Mac !] for example) hiding the application window, thus avoiding the screen refresh. However, I am not yet entered the phase of optimization of my code, so I am very interested in suggestions related to this post... Sorry for this no-response Bons souvenirs de Paris Ren? Le 4 f?vr. 2010 ? 11:06, Scott Rossi a ?crit : > I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for maximizing the responsiveness of > controls during a tight "send in..." loop. > > I just discovered an odd (but perhaps expected?) relationship between the > send command and locking the screen. It seems that placing "send in..." > within a handler that locks and unlocks the screen significantly increases > screen refresh performance compared to executing the send AFTER unlocking > the screen. I suppose this might be due to Rev being able to cue the next > send before updating the screen but I would have expected send to operate > independently of the screen update. > > At first I was thrilled to uncover this, as I've spent the last day trying > to enhance the performance of a heavily animated stack, but I was quickly > disappointed to find that controls on the card become extremely sluggish and > less responsive when the send occurs before the screen unlock. For example, > a custom slider bogs down heavily and doesn't respond properly, compared to > when the send occurs AFTER the screen unlock. > > I tried creating a temporary condition (controlActive) that is established > when a control is clicked, which the send handler could check and then > adjust the timing of the unlock screen appropriately. But so far I'm not > seeing any change in the (poor) behavior. I will continue testing. > > Has anybody else run into this? What strategies do you employ to get the > best responsiveness out of your apps during tight repeat loops? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 06:27:48 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:27:48 +0200 Subject: Linux, Rev and dependencies ? Message-ID: <4B6AAF34.6060909@gmail.com> Goofy types like myself just pop RunRev onto an already installed linux distro; and either it works or it doesn't. How can one work out what dependencies (if any) one requires if one is to do a "home brew"? Err . . . does www.runrev.com have a nifty little page where the dependencies are listed? Ah, I thought not! Actually, come to think of it, it would be jolly nice if one could have a way to list any application's dependencies without waiting for apt-get or what-have-you to announce what they are as it is merrily bloating your system with stuff which had you realised all that were involved you would not have installed in the first place! -------------------------------------------------------- And, while I'm here; I installed Metacard on PPC Ubuntu the other day and, having swapped over the LinuxPPC engine could not get the thing to work. All of this derived from: http://www.hot.com.my/metacard/ bright thought welcomed! Secondly; LinuxPPC builds built on x86 Linux seemd only to work when they were inside the MC folder on Linux PPC, but not on the desktop - doesn't seem quite right! From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Feb 4 06:28:50 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:28:50 +0100 Subject: Flash & mouseclicks in Revbrowser Message-ID: <2661CF9E-DC0D-4146-9A55-F7A2FA2B6857@major.on-rev.com> Hi all, I found that most of the time you need to doubleclick(!) Flash elements (e.g. the movie controls in Youtube videos) when in a Revbrowser, but the intended single clicks in a "normal" Browser like Safari or FireFox. Know what I mean? Anyone else experienced this? I'm on OS X 10.6.2, Intel. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 4 06:33:31 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:33:31 -0500 Subject: Flash & mouseclicks in Revbrowser In-Reply-To: <2661CF9E-DC0D-4146-9A55-F7A2FA2B6857@major.on-rev.com> References: <2661CF9E-DC0D-4146-9A55-F7A2FA2B6857@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <2578541E-8BB6-4110-9F47-5DF7E2B9ED55@verizon.net> The same issue comes up when using Director that has Flash elements, when used on a touch screen. For those cases I've had to modify the Flash code to work around the problem. I imagine that Flash in RevBrowser is a similar kind of embedding, where it's taking the first click to get the Flash piece into focus, then the second click registers. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Feb 4 06:43:56 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:43:56 +0100 Subject: Flash & mouseclicks in Revbrowser In-Reply-To: <2578541E-8BB6-4110-9F47-5DF7E2B9ED55@verizon.net> References: <2661CF9E-DC0D-4146-9A55-F7A2FA2B6857@major.on-rev.com> <2578541E-8BB6-4110-9F47-5DF7E2B9ED55@verizon.net> Message-ID: <83B6E5AC-FBAE-42D4-B3E4-2565CD5C108E@major.on-rev.com> Hi Colin, > The same issue comes up when using Director that has Flash elements, when used on a touch screen. For those cases I've had to modify the Flash code to work around the problem. I imagine that Flash in RevBrowser is a similar kind of embedding, where it's taking the first click to get the Flash piece into focus, then the second click registers. OK, may be in Director. But in a Revbrowser you really have to doubleclick (clickclick)! Click..* 1001 mississippi...Click does NOT work! * Right now the Flash element SHOULD have the focus according to your theory :-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Thu Feb 4 08:05:00 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:05:00 +0000 Subject: Windows 'run as administrator' property of standalone In-Reply-To: <20100203180003.AAD24288338@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100203180003.AAD24288338@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On 3 Feb 2010, at 6:00 pm, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:59 AM, David Glasgow > wrote: >> I was wondering whether setting this before distribution might reduce the occasional permissions problems which arise. I was also slightly worried that user levels can apparently be so readily overridden by an executable, and also that there may be unforeseen (by me) adverse consequences if I set this flag before distribution. > > Hi David > > On Vista always have to run Valentina Studio with "run as > administrator" or I get errors. > > I would be surprised if you choosing to set such a flag on an > executable would result in that information being carried over when > the executable is copied to another system. > > Bernard Bernard, Just experimented, and you are dead right. The flag becomes unset. Unfortunately I can't work out what is going on, because I have XP and Vista, and the former doesn't report that property. Nevertheless, setting it on Vista, then creating an install on XP and installing back on Vista loses the flag somewhere along the way. Darn it. It just doesn't seem very professional when you ask people to start twiddling within Vistas under-garments..... David G From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 4 08:32:05 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:32:05 +0100 Subject: open substack flickering despite lockscreen Message-ID: <947EDE4118C84D34A18F8B44B8E14F66@Kestner.local> Hello, I want to open a substack modal at the loc of the mouse. Everything works, beside there is a flickering, when opening the substack and positioning it at the mouse loc despide of having a lockscreen. For a moment of a second the stack appears at his default loc and then it appears at my wanted position. So there must be a fault in my following approach: set the lockscreen to true open stack "lizenzinfo" set the left of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocX set the top of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocY modal stack "lizenzinfo" set the lockscreen to false The reason for using first "open" and afterwords "modal" was, that I couldn't change the position, when opening it with modal, as far as I remember my code. Why does the lockscreen doesn't seem to be affective? What am I doing wrong? Thanks for any hint Tiemo From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 4 08:37:42 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 05:37:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <4B6AA63E.5090300@ekoinf.net> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AA63E.5090300@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <1265290662550-1468807.post@n4.nabble.com> Indeed, this would be a great step forward, to have a gold standard linux distribution plus Rev installation, then we would know for sure how it was supposed to work and could work, and we'd know that any shortfalls were with our particular installation. A live USB distro might be the most useful because the fastest. If you want something small, light and customizable to start from, there is Puppy. Yes, its true, it does not have Gnome. Stop that, you heretic! As soon as its done, I will be happy to give it a workout, and am sure others will too. Peter viktoras d. wrote: > > Thank you Andre! > > That's what I call a community - one day one wrote "wouldn't it be nice > to have own Revolinux distro" and the next day he is about to download > it :-) > > It would be good to make it small enough to fit into a single CD/LiveCD. > > -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Rev-for-Linux-was-Re-iPadding-around-tp1460131p1468807.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Feb 4 08:41:11 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:41:11 +0100 Subject: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: <947EDE4118C84D34A18F8B44B8E14F66@Kestner.local> References: <947EDE4118C84D34A18F8B44B8E14F66@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <8AFA84C9-5EE1-46C3-963A-7ECCF91DDFD9@major.on-rev.com> Hi Tiemo, > Hello, > > I want to open a substack modal at the loc of the mouse. Everything works, > beside there is a flickering, when opening the substack and positioning it > at the mouse loc despide of having a lockscreen. For a moment of a second > the stack appears at his default loc and then it appears at my wanted > position. So there must be a fault in my following approach: > > set the lockscreen to true > open stack "lizenzinfo" > set the left of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocX > set the top of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocY > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > set the lockscreen to false > > The reason for using first "open" and afterwords "modal" was, that I > couldn't change the position, when opening it with modal, as far as I > remember my code. Try this, since you can set these props even BEFOE you open your stack! ... set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY modal stack "lizenzinfo" ... > Why does the lockscreen doesn't seem to be affective? What am I doing wrong? "lock screen" only works inside of a stack, not on the screen unfortunately! > Thanks for any hint > > Tiemo Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 4 08:44:10 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:44:10 +0100 Subject: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: <8AFA84C9-5EE1-46C3-963A-7ECCF91DDFD9@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <8C26673C4FBA4DD293347EAC7987072B@Kestner.local> Hi Klaus, I knew you would have an easy solution on this! Thanks, Tiemo :) > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus Major > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 14:41 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: open substack flickering despite lockscreen > > Hi Tiemo, > > > Hello, > > > > I want to open a substack modal at the loc of the mouse. Everything > works, > > beside there is a flickering, when opening the substack and positioning > it > > at the mouse loc despide of having a lockscreen. For a moment of a > second > > the stack appears at his default loc and then it appears at my wanted > > position. So there must be a fault in my following approach: > > > > set the lockscreen to true > > open stack "lizenzinfo" > > set the left of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocX > > set the top of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocY > > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > > set the lockscreen to false > > > > The reason for using first "open" and afterwords "modal" was, that I > > couldn't change the position, when opening it with modal, as far as I > > remember my code. > > Try this, since you can set these props even BEFOE you open your stack! > ... > set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX > set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > ... > > > Why does the lockscreen doesn't seem to be affective? What am I doing > wrong? > > "lock screen" only works inside of a stack, not on the screen > unfortunately! > > > Thanks for any hint > > > > Tiemo > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From viktoras at ekoinf.net Thu Feb 4 08:53:44 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:53:44 +0000 Subject: Rev for Linux (was Re: iPadding around?) In-Reply-To: <1265290662550-1468807.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B68600C.8080601@fourthworld.com> <4B699273.4010504@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a11002030843r1d5c6efw7747327019d51d43@mail.gmail.com> <4B69BFF0.1040808@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002031034l48e5eb8euf5cc6d42e9e1d029@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AA63E.5090300@ekoinf.net> <1265290662550-1468807.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B6AD168.8050701@ekoinf.net> Hi, Peter, indeed, some time ago I used to deploy simple Revolution apps on Puppy. They worked. Apps were compiled using the old engine (2.6). However I have never tried that again with the new Rev 4.x, some day I will :-). Viktoras Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Indeed, this would be a great step forward, to have a gold standard linux > distribution plus Rev installation, then we would know for sure how it was > supposed to work and could work, and we'd know that any shortfalls were with > our particular installation. A live USB distro might be the most useful > because the fastest. > > If you want something small, light and customizable to start from, there is > Puppy. Yes, its true, it does not have Gnome. Stop that, you heretic! > > As soon as its done, I will be happy to give it a workout, and am sure > others will too. > > Peter > > > viktoras d. wrote: > >> Thank you Andre! >> >> That's what I call a community - one day one wrote "wouldn't it be nice >> to have own Revolinux distro" and the next day he is about to download >> it :-) >> >> It would be good to make it small enough to fit into a single CD/LiveCD. >> >> >> > > From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 4 08:54:19 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:54:19 +0100 Subject: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: <8C26673C4FBA4DD293347EAC7987072B@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Hi Klaus, there is a saying "don't halloo, before you are out of the wood" When using just: set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY modal stack "lizenzinfo" the setting of the loc seems to be ineffective, The stack just opens at the default center position. When opening the stack, before setting the loc, as in my first approach, the positioning works, but the flickering. Any idea what's wrong? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 14:44 > An: 'How to use Revolution' > Betreff: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen > > Hi Klaus, > I knew you would have an easy solution on this! > Thanks, Tiemo :) > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus Major > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 14:41 > > An: How to use Revolution > > Betreff: Re: open substack flickering despite lockscreen > > > > Hi Tiemo, > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I want to open a substack modal at the loc of the mouse. Everything > > works, > > > beside there is a flickering, when opening the substack and > positioning > > it > > > at the mouse loc despide of having a lockscreen. For a moment of a > > second > > > the stack appears at his default loc and then it appears at my wanted > > > position. So there must be a fault in my following approach: > > > > > > set the lockscreen to true > > > open stack "lizenzinfo" > > > set the left of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocX > > > set the top of stack " lizenzinfo" to tLocY > > > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > > > set the lockscreen to false > > > > > > The reason for using first "open" and afterwords "modal" was, that I > > > couldn't change the position, when opening it with modal, as far as I > > > remember my code. > > > > Try this, since you can set these props even BEFOE you open your stack! > > ... > > set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX > > set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY > > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > > ... > > > > > Why does the lockscreen doesn't seem to be affective? What am I doing > > wrong? > > > > "lock screen" only works inside of a stack, not on the screen > > unfortunately! > > > > > Thanks for any hint > > > > > > Tiemo > > > > Best > > > > Klaus > > > > -- > > Klaus Major > > http://www.major-k.de > > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Feb 4 09:00:34 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:00:34 -0500 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Thanks for all this Trevor. I installed your custom libURL fine > thanks. > > It now redirects but it doesn't get me where I want, instead I get: >
You must be logged in with a parent account to > access this functionality.
If the login info is being stored in a cookie can you watch the libURL log and see if the cookies are being sent along with the redirect? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Feb 4 09:01:10 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:01:10 +0100 Subject: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B54E54C-C3F8-4DD1-BC86-7849F5DA0471@major.on-rev.com> Hi Tiemo, > Hi Klaus, > > there is a saying "don't halloo, before you are out of the wood" ??? I only understand "station" :-D > When using just: > > set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX > set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > > the setting of the loc seems to be ineffective, The stack just opens at the > default center position. When opening the stack, before setting the loc, as > in my first approach, the positioning works, but the flickering. > Any idea what's wrong? Oops, my fault! I thought this behaviour only applies to the "Ask" and "Answer" dialogs, but a look into the docs proved me wrong. This is obviously managed by the engine. No other idea, sorry. > Thanks > Tiemo Best -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 4 09:08:16 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:08:16 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: <6B54E54C-C3F8-4DD1-BC86-7849F5DA0471@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <4072902F81B7417EBCAAD9456EDCE922@Kestner.local> Ok, I could do following: Open invisible stack "lizenzinfo" set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY modal stack "lizenzinfo" show stack "lizenzinfo" ... but is this the rev wanted approach? I think there must be a more straight forward way Thanks Tiemo > > > When using just: > > > > set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX > > set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY > > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > > > > the setting of the loc seems to be ineffective, The stack just opens at > the > > default center position. When opening the stack, before setting the loc, > as > > in my first approach, the positioning works, but the flickering. > > Any idea what's wrong? > > Oops, my fault! > I thought this behaviour only applies to the "Ask" and "Answer" dialogs, > but a look into the docs proved me wrong. > This is obviously managed by the engine. > > No other idea, sorry. > > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > Best > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From phil at liverpool.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 09:12:55 2010 From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:12:55 +0000 Subject: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: <6B54E54C-C3F8-4DD1-BC86-7849F5DA0471@major.on-rev.com> References: <6B54E54C-C3F8-4DD1-BC86-7849F5DA0471@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <97C6CAC4-064D-416E-93CA-30AEDE03487D@liverpool.ac.uk> Hi Tiemo, Add a preopenstack handler to the stack that you want to display modally, and in this handler, set the location you want the stack to occupy. When the stack opens up, before you see it it positions itself in the location you supplied, so: on preopenstack global tLocX,tLocY --or some other way of passing the location you want - a custom property of the stack perhaps? set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY end preopenstack then when you use the command modal stack "lizenzinfo" your stack will be displayed at tLocX and tLocY On 4 Feb 2010, at 14:01, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Tiemo, > >> Hi Klaus, >> >> there is a saying "don't halloo, before you are out of the wood" > > ??? I only understand "station" :-D > >> When using just: >> >> set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX >> set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY >> modal stack "lizenzinfo" >> >> the setting of the loc seems to be ineffective, The stack just opens at the >> default center position. When opening the stack, before setting the loc, as >> in my first approach, the positioning works, but the flickering. >> Any idea what's wrong? > > Oops, my fault! > I thought this behaviour only applies to the "Ask" and "Answer" dialogs, but a look into the docs proved me wrong. > This is obviously managed by the engine. > > No other idea, sorry. > >> Thanks >> Tiemo > > Best > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Jimmieson phil at liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 (Mobile) 07976 983164 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 4 09:17:36 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:17:36 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen In-Reply-To: <97C6CAC4-064D-416E-93CA-30AEDE03487D@liverpool.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ah ok, the preopenstack is the clue! Thanks Phil Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 15:13 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: open substack flickering despite lockscreen > > Hi Tiemo, > Add a preopenstack handler to the stack that you want to display modally, > and in this handler, set the location you want the stack to occupy. > When the stack opens up, before you see it it positions itself in the > location you supplied, so: > > on preopenstack > global tLocX,tLocY --or some other way of passing the location you want > - a custom property of the stack perhaps? > set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX > set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY > end preopenstack > > > then when you use the command > > > modal stack "lizenzinfo" > > > your stack will be displayed at tLocX and tLocY > > > On 4 Feb 2010, at 14:01, Klaus Major wrote: > > > Hi Tiemo, > > > >> Hi Klaus, > >> > >> there is a saying "don't halloo, before you are out of the wood" > > > > ??? I only understand "station" :-D > > > >> When using just: > >> > >> set the left of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocX > >> set the top of stack "lizenzinfo" to tLocY > >> modal stack "lizenzinfo" > >> > >> the setting of the loc seems to be ineffective, The stack just opens at > the > >> default center position. When opening the stack, before setting the > loc, as > >> in my first approach, the positioning works, but the flickering. > >> Any idea what's wrong? > > > > Oops, my fault! > > I thought this behaviour only applies to the "Ask" and "Answer" dialogs, > but a look into the docs proved me wrong. > > This is obviously managed by the engine. > > > > No other idea, sorry. > > > >> Thanks > >> Tiemo > > > > Best > > > > -- > > Klaus Major > > http://www.major-k.de > > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- > Phil Jimmieson phil at liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 (Mobile) 07976 > 983164 > Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton > Street > Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ > I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this > ointment. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From cmsheffield at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 10:16:00 2010 From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 08:16:00 -0700 Subject: parental control problems - Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <0A6812D4-FD03-4713-8042-D2DA5F8E3965@gmail.com> References: <4B61C8A7.6020309@hyperactivesw.com> <7375E217-9124-4A98-A6D2-976AA303C672@gmail.com> <0A6812D4-FD03-4713-8042-D2DA5F8E3965@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63BF072E-D3A8-412E-9A50-FFBCEA82D7C5@gmail.com> For anyone interested in this, I'm not sure what changed between Rev 3.0 and Rev 4.0, but this problem seems to disappear when building our standalone with Rev 4.0. We first discovered that the problem only occurred when building for Universal Binary. An Intel-only build did not have the problem (that was with Rev 3.0). So we decided at that point just to try a build with Rev 4.0 (Universal Binary) and that seemed to work just fine. Not the most ideal solution, as we had to do a special build to send to some customers, but at least we found a solution. Just thought I'd let you all know. And thanks to all those who replied with suggestions. Chris On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Honestly, I wish that were the case, but I don't think so. This is the same build of our app that has been running for nearly a year now (updated last April). We've had no reports of this problem until just recently, which makes me think some security update changed something in parental controls that's causing this problem. Again, why it only happens on Rev-built apps, I don't know. > > On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >>> Jacque, >>> >>> Here's some more info from our end. Not sure if everyone is experiencing this same behavior or not, but in our case, the executable inside the app bundle is actually getting damaged. We compared an app that had been launched with parental controls enabled for it and one that hadn't, and the one that had was about 1 MB smaller. When trying to launch the executable directly from Terminal, we get a file read error. So in this case, it looks like no amount of messing with permissions is going to fix the problem. The file is toast at that point. >> >> >> Is your app trying to write a file, being denied permission, so >> over-writing the executable instead? >> I encountered this with an app that was writing a preferences file >> with the same name as the executable. When the path was set >> incorrectly, the executable got replaced. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 11:13:17 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:13:17 +0000 Subject: Windows 'run as administrator' property of standalone In-Reply-To: References: <20100203180003.AAD24288338@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:05 PM, David Glasgow wrote: >> Just experimented, and you are dead right. ?The flag becomes unset. Unfortunately I can't work out what is going on, because I have XP and Vista, and the former doesn't report that property. ?Nevertheless, setting it on Vista, then creating an install on XP and installing back on Vista loses the flag somewhere along the way. ?Darn it. ?It just doesn't seem very professional when you ask people to start twiddling within Vistas under-garments..... << Just a thought.... What happens if you set 'run as administrator' on an executable, then zip that executable up, then unzip it on the other system? The zip file _might_ include that information. Although if the second system is XP then it might be asking a lot to expect that bit to be carried over from Vista. Bernard From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 4 11:45:00 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:45:00 -0600 Subject: Linux, Rev and dependencies ? In-Reply-To: <4B6AAF34.6060909@gmail.com> References: <4B6AAF34.6060909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6AF98C.1080401@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Err . . . does www.runrev.com have a nifty little page where the > dependencies > are listed? > > Ah, I thought not! I only know three words in UNIX, and that's because I have to copy/paste them into the occasional tech support response. But...doesn't "ldd" work? That's supposed to give you that info. Typical output: ldd revolution.x86 linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7edb000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7e0f000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7e01000) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb7ddc000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7caf000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f08000) If anything on the right hand side is missing then there are missing libraries. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 11:53:24 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:53:24 +0200 Subject: Linux, Rev and dependencies ? In-Reply-To: <4B6AF98C.1080401@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B6AAF34.6060909@gmail.com> <4B6AF98C.1080401@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B6AFB84.5060708@gmail.com> On 04/02/2010 18:45, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Err . . . does www.runrev.com have a nifty little page where the >> dependencies >> are listed? >> >> Ah, I thought not! > > I only know three words in UNIX, and that's because I have to > copy/paste them into the occasional tech support response. > But...doesn't "ldd" work? That's supposed to give you that info. > Typical output: > > ldd revolution.x86 > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7edb000) > libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7e0f000) > libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7e01000) > libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb7ddc000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7caf000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f08000) > > If anything on the right hand side is missing then there are missing > libraries. > Err . . . well that means you know 3 more words than me; grunt, grunt . . . :) Thanks for the tip. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 4 12:00:40 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:00:40 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Hello Folks, This was quick! Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's interest. Please, tell me what you think http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ :D Cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 4 12:35:54 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:35:54 +0000 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? Message-ID: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Hi, is there anyone from germany here on the list, who has already received the Conference DVD set ? Regards, Matthias From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 4 12:43:10 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:43:10 +0100 Subject: AW: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Nooop :( Germany doesn't seems to be on the line in Edinburgh Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 18:36 > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, > yet? > > Hi, > > is there anyone from germany here on the list, who has already received > the Conference DVD set ? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 13:09:05 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:09:05 +0200 Subject: AW: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6B0D41.5050000@gmail.com> On 04/02/2010 19:43, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Nooop :( > Germany doesn't seems to be on the line in Edinburgh > Tiemo > > Hey, guess what: Bulgaria is further away, both geographically and conceptually. However I have pencilled in 24 March 2013 as a suitable date to celebrate the DVDs' arrival here: I hope I have set that date too late rather than too early . . . :) From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Feb 4 13:25:15 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:25:15 -0600 Subject: AW: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: <4B6B0D41.5050000@gmail.com> References: <4B6B0D41.5050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2EA98A57-8D2B-460A-A44E-BD6429185246@earthlink.net> I could have sworn someone in New York reported getting their DVDs, but here in Missouri there's been no sign of them yet. In fact, it's been so long, I emailed support to check to see if a) they had been sent yet and b) that they were sent to the correct address. Still no reply. On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 04/02/2010 19:43, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >> Nooop :( >> Germany doesn't seems to be on the line in Edinburgh >> Tiemo >> >> > Hey, guess what: Bulgaria is further away, both geographically and > conceptually. However I have pencilled in 24 March 2013 as a suitable > date to celebrate the DVDs' arrival here: I hope I have set that date too > late rather than too early . . . :) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 13:29:09 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:29:09 +0200 Subject: AW: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: <2EA98A57-8D2B-460A-A44E-BD6429185246@earthlink.net> References: <4B6B0D41.5050000@gmail.com> <2EA98A57-8D2B-460A-A44E-BD6429185246@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B6B11F5.6070401@gmail.com> On 04/02/2010 20:25, Marian Petrides wrote: > I could have sworn someone in New York reported getting their DVDs, but here in Missouri there's been no sign of them yet. In fact, it's been so long, I emailed support to check to see if a) they had been sent yet and b) that they were sent to the correct address. Still no reply. > As the old song goes: "Don't cheat on the cheese!" I hope nobody is cheating on the cheese; it would certainly lower my confidence in the mice. > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > >> On 04/02/2010 19:43, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >> >>> Nooop :( >>> Germany doesn't seems to be on the line in Edinburgh >>> Tiemo >>> >>> >>> >> Hey, guess what: Bulgaria is further away, both geographically and >> conceptually. However I have pencilled in 24 March 2013 as a suitable >> date to celebrate the DVDs' arrival here: I hope I have set that date too >> late rather than too early . . . :) >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Feb 4 15:30:43 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:30:43 +0000 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Here in the UK my set arrived sometime last week. Ian On 4 Feb 2010, at 17:35, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Hi, > > is there anyone from germany here on the list, who has already > received the Conference DVD set ? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 4 16:08:16 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:08:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265317696181-1469415.post@n4.nabble.com> Fantastic! What a guy! Not the least of the benefits is, we can find out by the downloads just how many people are serious about Rev on Linux. We may not like the answer, of course. But here's hoping! Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469415.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 4 16:14:05 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:14:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265318045145-1469424.post@n4.nabble.com> Andre, should you not move it to ibiblio or someplace? Or maybe Rev can provide hosting? Or perhaps someone on the list has ideas. We must not let you get hit for bandwidth for this. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469424.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Feb 4 17:00:30 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:00:30 +0100 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <20100127024659.BACF72886F7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100127024659.BACF72886F7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <0B26E042-8489-40A3-AEAC-FACCCDC9F943@derbrill.de> Andre, thanks for putting this together! I will surely check it out, once the water clears a bit over here. (Too packed atm). Peter makes a valid point about bandwidth. If this is / becomes an issue, give me a holler. I might still have a few MBs to share if a mirror is needed. How large is the distro? Cheers, Malte From david at architex.tv Thu Feb 4 17:01:55 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:01:55 +0000 Subject: Export Snapshot experts? Message-ID: I'm looking into using the "export snapshot" functionality of Rev - which I use regularly on OSX - but have not tested on all platforms. Does anyone know of situations in which it does not work = platforms etc? how about with games that draw directly to the screen (which I know can cause issues with screen grabbers)? From viktoras at ekoinf.net Thu Feb 4 17:18:41 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:18:41 +0000 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> Cool! Now you/we need some work on a website with wording and structure like Ubuntu website i.e. a little of PR to make it as popular and as well known ;-). I am looking forward for the release of the liveCD. All the best! Viktoras Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Folks, > > This was quick! > > Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So > far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow > shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, > PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails > yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's > interest. > > Please, tell me what you think > > http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ > > :D > > Cheers > andre > > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 17:42:27 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:42:27 +1000 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:35 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > is there ?anyone from germany here on the list, who has already ?received the Conference DVD set ? I guess there is no need to expect mine to arrive in Australia yet, if they haven't even made it to Germany... Cheers, Sarah From barryb at libero.it Thu Feb 4 18:22:26 2010 From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:22:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference Message-ID: <22100199.716571265325746110.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:43:10 +0100 Tiemo Hollman wrote in response to Matthias >Nooop :( >Germany doesn't seems to be on the line in Edinburgh >Tiemo Reminds me of an apparently true story here in Italy from the 2nd World War. The phone lines to the isle of Sicily were interrupted and the switchboard operator reported to his superior officer :- "Signore, the mainland is isolated!" Best Regards Barry ---------------- >Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 18:36 > Hi, > > is there anyone from germany here on the list, who has already received > the Conference DVD set ? > > Regards, > > Matthias From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 4 18:24:12 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:24:12 -0600 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: References: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B6B571C.6050008@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:35 AM, wrote: >> Hi, >> >> is there anyone from germany here on the list, who has already received the Conference DVD set ? > > I guess there is no need to expect mine to arrive in Australia yet, if > they haven't even made it to Germany... Well, someone I know in California got his set. It takes longer to ship to Australia though, because they have to hire someone to hold onto the packages to keep them from falling out of the plane when they fly upside down. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 4 18:25:19 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:25:19 +0000 Subject: Re-2: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? Message-ID: <0000025C.4B6B656D@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Hm, if it think of that the sets are now shipped since more than 3 weeks and there are so many not yet shipped ... Then how many sets were sold? There must be thousands and thousands or is the logistics company, which is doing the shipment for Runrev, a one person company, which is not able to ship more than 5 or 10 a day? Do they have to burn the DVDs before shipment? Slowly but surely i will lose my patience about that. A good logistics company, even a small one, should be able to send about 300 - 500 packages a day. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? (04-Feb-2010 23:44) From: Sarah Reichelt To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:35 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is there ?anyone from germany here on the list, who has already ?received > > the Conference DVD set ? > > I guess there is no need to expect mine to arrive in Australia yet, if > they haven't even made it to Germany... > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 4 18:37:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:37:14 -0600 Subject: Export Snapshot experts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6B5A2A.4070600@hyperactivesw.com> David Bovill wrote: > I'm looking into using the "export snapshot" functionality of Rev - which I > use regularly on OSX - but have not tested on all platforms. Does anyone > know of situations in which it does not work = platforms etc? how about with > games that draw directly to the screen (which I know can cause issues with > screen grabbers)? I've used it a lot cross platform and never had any issues at all. I've not tried it outside of Rev stacks though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 4 18:44:58 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:44:58 -1000 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> Message-ID: <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> Bob and Sarah and anyone else using MySQL, > I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast > for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and > phpMyAdmin first. The cPanel and phpMyAdmin is "OK" in that it works, but I find it very clumsy. Check out MySQL Workbench (the Community Edition) at http://mysql.com/products/workbench/. It's completely free, cross-platform (PC, Mac, Linux), runs from your desktop, and has one of the best ER Modeling modules I've ever seen. At this point you can download version 5.1 or 5.2 (which is considered beta) but I have found it very stable and it's quite different from 5.1. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 18:53:55 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:53:55 +1000 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: <4B6B571C.6050008@hyperactivesw.com> References: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B6B571C.6050008@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: >>> is there ?anyone from germany here on the list, who has already ?received >>> the Conference DVD set ? >> >> I guess there is no need to expect mine to arrive in Australia yet, if >> they haven't even made it to Germany... > > Well, someone I know in California got his set. It takes longer to ship to > Australia though, because they have to hire someone to hold onto the > packages to keep them from falling out of the plane when they fly upside > down. Not true... we have highly trained koalas to do that. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 4 18:54:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:54:52 -0600 Subject: More on Performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6B5E4C.6090207@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > What strategies do you employ to get the > best responsiveness out of your apps during tight repeat loops? You could try putting in a "wait 1 millisecond with messages" somewhere in the loop. It yields time to the interface so the controls can respond. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 18:56:30 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:56:30 +1000 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Bob and Sarah and anyone else using MySQL, > >> I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast >> for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and >> phpMyAdmin first. > > The cPanel and phpMyAdmin is "OK" in that it works, but I find it very > clumsy. Check out MySQL Workbench (the Community Edition) at > http://mysql.com/products/workbench/. It's completely free, cross-platform > (PC, Mac, Linux), runs from your desktop, and has one of the best ER > Modeling modules I've ever seen. At this point you can download version 5.1 > or 5.2 (which is considered beta) but I have found it very stable and it's > quite different from 5.1. Thanks Jim, that looks like a very useful tool...downloading now :-) Cheers, Sarah From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 4 19:05:37 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:05:37 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> Message-ID: x86 INTEL ONLY. Burned again. Nothing for us G5 losers. there is nothing wrong with my machine, except it's a g5. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 4 February 2010 15:44, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Bob and Sarah and anyone else using MySQL, > > > I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast > > for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and > > phpMyAdmin first. > > The cPanel and phpMyAdmin is "OK" in that it works, but I find it very > clumsy. Check out MySQL Workbench (the Community Edition) at > http://mysql.com/products/workbench/. It's completely free, cross-platform > (PC, Mac, Linux), runs from your desktop, and has one of the best ER > Modeling modules I've ever seen. At this point you can download version 5.1 > or 5.2 (which is considered beta) but I have found it very stable and it's > quite different from 5.1. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 4 19:05:44 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:05:44 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> Message-ID: <0731943A-CBB6-4ACB-8665-33FBB3D64977@twft.com> Hi Jim. Thanks for the info. I'm always in the hunt for a good mySQL utility. The original post was really about what happens when on-rev drops the connection due to an idle timeout. What happens is, the communication between Revolution fails, but it takes close to 10 minutes for Revolution to stop beach balling. This may or may not be typical of all mySQL servers, but when I ran all this on a local mySQL server I did not have these timeout problems. I was alerted right away that the connection was bad. My particular application merges and syncs two databases with each other, so it becomes important to create and drop tables automatically, as well as insert columns and such. So simply using a utility to do these things will not get me there. My fix of always connecting at the beginning of every script that needs access, and disconnecting at the end of every script that made the connection works for now. It's probably better to do this anyway, as we have an online grading system at our K-12 school that requires persistent connections, and fails if anything glitches or burps on the network. I can never reset the routers or switches during school hours without incurring the wrath of school admins. :-) Thanks. Bob On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Bob and Sarah and anyone else using MySQL, > >> I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast >> for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and >> phpMyAdmin first. > > The cPanel and phpMyAdmin is "OK" in that it works, but I find it very > clumsy. Check out MySQL Workbench (the Community Edition) at > http://mysql.com/products/workbench/. It's completely free, cross-platform > (PC, Mac, Linux), runs from your desktop, and has one of the best ER > Modeling modules I've ever seen. At this point you can download version 5.1 > or 5.2 (which is considered beta) but I have found it very stable and it's > quite different from 5.1. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 4 19:10:17 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:10:17 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> Message-ID: <65D11108-BB1E-4C43-8BE0-BAEF16652E4D@twft.com> I feel your pain. We have about 7 or 8 towers here and they are still very viable for things like graphics, audio and video post, etc. Our primary router is a G5 tower running Vicomsoft Intergate! However, think of the Mac world if Apple never switched to Intel. No Parallels or VMWare. No PC apps running on my Mac. I think the Apple market would have suffered tremendously. A LOT of avid PC people have switched to Mac when they learned they could still keep their beloved Windows and software. Funny thing is, most of the people I know who switched, liked the Mac OS so much they never use the PC side anymore. :-) Bob On Feb 4, 2010, at 4:05 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > x86 INTEL ONLY. Burned again. Nothing for us G5 losers. > > there is nothing wrong with my machine, except it's a g5. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 4 19:15:33 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:15:33 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <0731943A-CBB6-4ACB-8665-33FBB3D64977@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> <0731943A-CBB6-4ACB-8665-33FBB3D64977@twft.com> Message-ID: Bob, on my last project I had some time-outs issues - I thought at the time it was more 'economical' to keep the connection open for multiple queries and I spend a whole bunch of energy making a "pinger" to keep the connection open -- That was probably true for the 65 or so rapid fire queries I was doing for a special app; open , do 65 queries, close. But I found that leaving the connection open all the time was really pointless - there isn't that much latency in the opening and closing of connections - most of the time is spent funneling textual data to the client - the database. In the end I now think that closing often is good - it releases the server when not needed. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 4 February 2010 16:05, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi Jim. > > Thanks for the info. I'm always in the hunt for a good mySQL utility. The > original post was really about what happens when on-rev drops the connection > due to an idle timeout. What happens is, the communication between > Revolution fails, but it takes close to 10 minutes for Revolution to stop > beach balling. This may or may not be typical of all mySQL servers, but when > I ran all this on a local mySQL server I did not have these timeout > problems. I was alerted right away that the connection was bad. > > My particular application merges and syncs two databases with each other, > so it becomes important to create and drop tables automatically, as well as > insert columns and such. So simply using a utility to do these things will > not get me there. > > My fix of always connecting at the beginning of every script that needs > access, and disconnecting at the end of every script that made the > connection works for now. It's probably better to do this anyway, as we have > an online grading system at our K-12 school that requires persistent > connections, and fails if anything glitches or burps on the network. I can > never reset the routers or switches during school hours without incurring > the wrath of school admins. :-) > > Thanks. > > Bob > > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > > > Bob and Sarah and anyone else using MySQL, > > > >> I have used a MySQL database via On-Rev and it has seemed very fast > >> for both reading & writing, but I did all the setup through cPanel and > >> phpMyAdmin first. > > > > The cPanel and phpMyAdmin is "OK" in that it works, but I find it very > > clumsy. Check out MySQL Workbench (the Community Edition) at > > http://mysql.com/products/workbench/. It's completely free, > cross-platform > > (PC, Mac, Linux), runs from your desktop, and has one of the best ER > > Modeling modules I've ever seen. At this point you can download version > 5.1 > > or 5.2 (which is considered beta) but I have found it very stable and > it's > > quite different from 5.1. > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 4 19:21:16 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:21:16 -0800 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <65D11108-BB1E-4C43-8BE0-BAEF16652E4D@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> <65D11108-BB1E-4C43-8BE0-BAEF16652E4D@twft.com> Message-ID: Yes, I laud the upgrade to Intel, it was totally a wise decision. It's just that the $$$$$$$$$$ I have in my two-screen media monster here is REALLY becoming depressingly obsolete. ProTools HD (original PCI cards) has stopped supporting G5s after the last version 8.01. It's been 9 years with those cards, a pretty good run for this kins of stuff. That's the way it goes, in the digital wonderland. Well if the cooling doesn't blow up "It can always become a server..." ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 4 February 2010 16:10, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I feel your pain. We have about 7 or 8 towers here and they are still very > viable for things like graphics, audio and video post, etc. Our primary > router is a G5 tower running Vicomsoft Intergate! However, think of the Mac > world if Apple never switched to Intel. No Parallels or VMWare. No PC apps > running on my Mac. I think the Apple market would have suffered > tremendously. A LOT of avid PC people have switched to Mac when they learned > they could still keep their beloved Windows and software. Funny thing is, > most of the people I know who switched, liked the Mac OS so much they never > use the PC side anymore. :-) > > Bob > > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 4:05 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > > > x86 INTEL ONLY. Burned again. Nothing for us G5 losers. > > > > there is nothing wrong with my machine, except it's a g5. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 4 19:25:33 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:25:33 -1000 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> Message-ID: <000101caa5f9$bbbaed30$3330c790$@com> Sarah Reichelt wrote, > Thanks Jim, that looks like a very useful tool...downloading now :-) Two other things I didn't mention: If you need an SSL connection to your DBs, definitely download the 5.2 version. Also, check out their plugins section and search for an SQLite plugin someone wrote. With this you can use the MySQL ER Modeling and then, through the plugin, have it generate SQLite compatible SQL. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 19:37:23 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:37:23 +1000 Subject: Getting data from a secure web page In-Reply-To: References: <1F72EC04-9315-49F0-9366-F176F07F2CF0@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> Thanks for all this Trevor. I installed your custom libURL fine thanks. >> >> It now redirects but it doesn't get me where I want, instead I get: >>
You must be logged in with a parent account to >> access this functionality.
> > If the login info is being stored in a cookie can you watch the libURL log > and see if the cookies are being sent along with the redirect? Yes, they are, but then it seems to go round in circles, POSTing again then another 2 GETs before getting the error message. But I've just tried again and this time I did get the data, so I am very puzzled. I'll have to test it over days and see if I can work out why it works sometimes & not others. Many thanks, Sarah From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 4 19:39:10 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:39:10 -1000 Subject: on-rev queries In-Reply-To: <0731943A-CBB6-4ACB-8665-33FBB3D64977@twft.com> References: <90103920-8647-4FDA-891A-CABD85EB2F94@twft.com> <000001caa5f4$10758160$31608420$@com> <0731943A-CBB6-4ACB-8665-33FBB3D64977@twft.com> Message-ID: <000201caa5fb$a28f38f0$e7adaad0$@com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > My fix of always connecting at the beginning of every script that needs > access, and disconnecting at the end of every script that made the > connection works for now. It's probably better to do this anyway... I think I commented on this thread early on saying I never saw this problem, although I was not creating and dropping parts of the schema from Rev. But when I saw your "fix" I quickly realized that because I was using irev scripts to connect to the DBs and irev scripts are not persistent, it is necessary for me to connect to the DB each time. So, of course, I wouldn't have the same experience as you. The other thing I might note that I noticed is that when you use irev scripts and connecting each time at the beginning of the irev script, the irev (Rev DB) connection ID is always "1" Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 4 20:11:55 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:11:55 -1000 Subject: Windows 'run as administrator' property of standalone. In-Reply-To: References: <20100202140345.37B8B288233@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <000301caa600$35804510$a080cf30$@com> David Glasgow wrote > Whilst trying to solve a problem of a customer, I noticed that on > Vista, a standalone can have a 'run as administrator' property set, > which presumably does what it says on the tin. My recollection is that > Pre Vista this was a property which could be set on a shortcut, but not > the standalone itself. > > I was wondering whether setting this before distribution might reduce > the occasional permissions problems which arise. I was also slightly > worried that user levels can apparently be so readily overridden by an > executable, and also that there may be unforeseen (by me) adverse > consequences if I set this flag before distribution. > > So, should I or shouldn't I? Personally I wouldn't recommend it because depending on the user's level and how the UAC is set up on their system, they could be prompted, EVERY single time they launch your app as to whether or not to allow the app to run. Also, if your app is designed to auto launch on boot (or login of a user), it will get relegated to a "blocked startup programs" icon in the System Tray and the user will have to right-click on the icon and select your app and say run and then they will still get the security dialog asking them to allow the app to run. Better to just address any security issues you become aware of directly. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 4 20:38:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:38:38 -0600 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: References: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B6B571C.6050008@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B6B769E.9090305@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >>>> is there anyone from germany here on the list, who has already received >>>> the Conference DVD set ? >>> I guess there is no need to expect mine to arrive in Australia yet, if >>> they haven't even made it to Germany... >> Well, someone I know in California got his set. It takes longer to ship to >> Australia though, because they have to hire someone to hold onto the >> packages to keep them from falling out of the plane when they fly upside >> down. > > > Not true... we have highly trained koalas to do that. I'll definitely add this to my trivia file. Of course, it would take some time to send them to Scotland to get the stuff. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 4 20:47:32 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:47:32 -1000 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet? In-Reply-To: References: <000001F7.4B6B1386@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <000401caa605$2f932460$8eb96d20$@com> Sarah wrote: > I guess there is no need to expect mine to arrive in Australia yet, if > they haven't even made it to Germany... And, if it's coming around the other way, you should know they haven't hit Hawaii yet either. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 21:00:28 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:00:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265335228998-1469721.post@n4.nabble.com> Great news! :-D I hope that you found time to create Live CDs for some small Debian-based and Slackware-based distributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions Keep up your great work! Alejandro P.D. Does RevMedia works in OLPC computers? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469721.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From katir at hindu.org Thu Feb 4 21:01:59 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:01:59 -1000 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Navigator - Alpha Test Open In-Reply-To: <000001F4.4B6A7CFC@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000001F4.4B6A7CFC@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B6B7C17.7080209@hindu.org> Amazing... we are all mac users here and somehow a recent change broke the site on IE. Working on it... some crazy thing where if there is an https link on a non-secure page, IE this the whole page should be secured. You can just download Hinduism Today Navigator directly from these links. http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/navigator/HTNavMacAlpha.zip http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/navigator/HTNavWinAlpha.zip Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Dear Sivakatirswami, > > your provided link opens fine here in Firefox, but with IE8 under vista, the link opens , i can see the text for a short time and then the main text dissapears. > > Please see the attached picture, how the website looks. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Navigator - Alpha Test Open (04-Feb-2010 6:41) > From: Sivakatirswami > To: improve-revolution-010908 at m-r-d.de > > >> Namaste, Aloha and "Oi" from Kauai, Hawaii and Niteroi, Brazil: >> >> Hinduism Today and Andre Garzia are happy to announce that the latest >> incarnation of Hinduism Today Digital Edition has been released under a >> new name: >> >> Hinduism Today Navigator >> >> I want to thank both Andre for his hard work on this and Trevor DeVore >> for the brilliant additions to our RunRev world, the data grid, SQL yoga >> and GLX that Andre used to build this and RunRev for the new graphic >> effects which finally make people say "Wow, it's beautiful!" And to >> Jerry Daniels for making development process with tRev, so "sweet". >> >> We would like anyone who has time to hammer hard on this one: >> >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/wfchannel/index.php?wfc_cid=29 >> >> FYI: this is a broadband product (free) We bundle a lot of content with >> the standalone, for a 30MB download, after that, online line >> transactions are small unless you ask for a PDF. >> >> Send any "no holds barred" feedback to >> >> katir at hindu.org >> andre at andregarzia.com >> >> Sorry, no Linux version: our media player requires Flash to run inside >> the RevBrowser window. >> >> I'm calling this a beta version but Andre prefers "alpha" -- in case you >> find any bugs then we can just say: >> >> "Well, its an alpha version after all... " (smile) >> >> but in house tests on 8 different Macs and 10 different Windows users >> all look good so we are widening the test group to include all RunRev'ers. >> >> All the best from Chilly Kauai. When I went for a swim in the Wailua >> this morning, air was about 54 and the water 65... that's about as cold >> as it gets here. >> >> Thank you for taking the time to try it out. >> >> Sivakatirswami >> >> ps. Is anyone seeing the 20 pixel "menu shift" bug? appears as a strip >> of background at the bottom of the stack/card that should not be there. >> >> And if anyone is connecting through a proxy, we would like to know that >> is working. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> improve-revolution mailing list >> improve-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/improve-revolution >> >> >> >> >> To: improve-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> andre at andregarzia.com >> Cc: >> > > > To: katir at hindu.org > improve-revolution at lists.runrev.com > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > andre at andregarzia.com > From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 4 21:14:23 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:14:23 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1265335228998-1469721.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <1265335228998-1469721.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002041814y19167d39wc8897de0b4d4ae5f@mail.gmail.com> Hello Alejandro, I am using a SuSe based solution instead of a debian one, it is easier to build, point and click. As for RevWeb on OLPC, so far, there's no RevWeb or RevMedia for Linux so we can't test. :-/ Cheers andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Great news! :-D > > I hope that you found time to create > Live CDs for some small Debian-based and > Slackware-based distributions: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions > > Keep up your great work! > > Alejandro > > P.D. Does RevMedia works in OLPC computers? > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469721.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 4 21:29:08 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:29:08 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002041814y19167d39wc8897de0b4d4ae5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <1265335228998-1469721.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002041814y19167d39wc8897de0b4d4ae5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> Folks, I've just added a USB Stick image and a LiveCD. http://andregarzia.com/revlinux Cheers andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Alejandro, > > I am using a SuSe based solution instead of a debian one, it is easier to > build, point and click. As for RevWeb on OLPC, so far, there's no RevWeb or > RevMedia for Linux so we can't test. :-/ > > Cheers > andre > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > >> >> Great news! :-D >> >> I hope that you found time to create >> Live CDs for some small Debian-based and >> Slackware-based distributions: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions >> >> Keep up your great work! >> >> Alejandro >> >> P.D. Does RevMedia works in OLPC computers? >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469721.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 4 21:30:03 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:30:03 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1265318045145-1469424.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <1265318045145-1469424.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002041830t254301a6pcd6980f7deecc554@mail.gmail.com> Peter, I am using Amazon S3 service to host the files, let us see how high it gets before me crying for help but I expect to pay like 10 USD or something for the bandwidth. Cheers andre On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Andre, should you not move it to ibiblio or someplace? Or maybe Rev can > provide hosting? Or perhaps someone on the list has ideas. We must not > let you get hit for bandwidth for this. > > Peter > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469424.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 4 21:49:34 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:49:34 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002041849q2c650720gf319dd7da4365ffe@mail.gmail.com> Viktoras, Lol, the objective is not to win over ubuntu or any other linux, it is just to provide an environment to test and develop in revolution. I've made the LiveCD although I have not tested it, it is on the website, you can fetch it from there and tell me if it works or not. Cheers andre On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:18 PM, viktoras d. wrote: > Cool! > > Now you/we need some work on a website with wording and structure like > Ubuntu website i.e. a little of PR to make it as popular and as well known > ;-). I am looking forward for the release of the liveCD. > > All the best! > Viktoras > > > > > Andre Garzia wrote: > >> Hello Folks, >> >> This was quick! >> >> Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. >> So >> far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will >> follow >> shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, >> PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our >> emails >> yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if >> there's >> interest. >> >> Please, tell me what you think >> >> http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ >> >> :D >> >> Cheers >> andre >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 22:55:56 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:55:56 +0800 Subject: iPadding around? Video glasses (OT) In-Reply-To: <3D59CD38-2124-46B4-9AF5-29A6E9046790@earthlink.net> References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <3D59CD38-2124-46B4-9AF5-29A6E9046790@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Marian, Whilst I'm sure 'effective' LCD 3D goggles would effect sales of massive home LCD TVs, I'm not sure what it's effect on mobile devices would be - other than make them more popular. Without goggles one of the attractions of the iPad must be screen size, but this is not only as an output, but is also advantageous as an input device. I've been amazed at what people have been able to do with the iPhone, so it will be interesting to see what iPad adds to the table. Just off the top of my head I could think the same 'tilt' technology could be incorporated into Apple's iSee goggles (you read it here first) to produce an amazing simulation set up. In medicine for instance, looking forward you could see a 3D magnified image of the brain, whilst tilting your head and looking down, you'd see an image of the iPad, with representations of where your fingers were resting on the screen where the controls for adjusting magnification, navigation, or even bring up a menu to pick another organ to inspect. Not only that, I can't see too many people wearing goggles to read an eBook whilst they commute to work on the subway. You wont see the small white well dressed nearing retirement age lady* approaching, who snatches your goggles and runs. *to avoid offending most on the List I've taken the politically correct stance of avoiding any racially or sexually stereotypical references to my subway mugger. To the well-heeled sexagenarian Caucasoid petite females who commute to Lower Manhattan, Sorry. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Petrides, M.D. Marian < mpetrides at earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>>mated to a pair of LCD 3D compatible goggles + earphones. > > Ooooooohhhhh.... I love the idea! Video glasses that not only simulate a > 50 inch screen but also do HD 3G. Now THAT I could go for!! > > But, then I'm not sure where the iPad would fit into this schema, since > the video glasses should obviate the need for a video screen and could just > as easily be used with an iPod nano as video source. Oh, well... > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 01:40:18 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:40:18 +0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <4B6BBD52.6040506@gmail.com> On 05/02/2010 00:18, viktoras d. wrote: > Cool! > > Now you/we need some work on a website with wording and structure like > Ubuntu website i.e. a little of PR to make it as popular and as well > known ;-). I am looking forward for the release of the liveCD. > > All the best! > Viktoras > Yes, I will download when the live CD comes up. . . fantastic work, Andre! > > > Andre Garzia wrote: >> Hello Folks, >> >> This was quick! >> >> Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it >> out. So >> far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will >> follow >> shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, >> MySQL, >> PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our >> emails >> yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if >> there's >> interest. >> >> Please, tell me what you think >> >> http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ >> >> :D >> >> Cheers >> andre >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From psahores at free.fr Fri Feb 5 02:27:02 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:27:02 +0100 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <4B6BBD52.6040506@gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> <4B6BBD52.6040506@gmail.com> Message-ID: Fantastic at least and so friendlt too ! Thanks Andre. Will go to the shop and catch a new eeepc to test some apps in using it ;-) Best Regards, P. Le 5 f?vr. 10 ? 07:40, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 05/02/2010 00:18, viktoras d. wrote: >> Cool! >> >> Now you/we need some work on a website with wording and structure >> like Ubuntu website i.e. a little of PR to make it as popular and >> as well known ;-). I am looking forward for the release of the >> liveCD. >> >> All the best! >> Viktoras >> > Yes, I will download when the live CD comes up. . . fantastic work, > Andre! >> >> >> Andre Garzia wrote: >>> Hello Folks, >>> >>> This was quick! >>> >>> Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check >>> it out. So >>> far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD >>> will follow >>> shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, >>> revStudio, MySQL, >>> PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from >>> our emails >>> yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more >>> if there's >>> interest. >>> >>> Please, tell me what you think >>> >>> http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ >>> >>> :D >>> >>> Cheers >>> andre >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 5 03:02:00 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:02:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265356920846-1469906.post@n4.nabble.com> If you want fairly small and light slackware based ones, Slax is very nice and very easy to customize. It uses KDE as the DTE. Surprisingly fast. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1469906.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:45:53 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:45:53 +0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <1265335228998-1469721.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002041814y19167d39wc8897de0b4d4ae5f@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6BDAC1.10602@gmail.com> On 05/02/2010 04:29, Andre Garzia wrote: > Folks, > > I've just added a USB Stick image and a LiveCD. > > http://andregarzia.com/revlinux > > Cheers > andre > > Yippee . . . will run it as my Saturday experiment! Thanks so much. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:53:38 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:53:38 +0200 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Navigator - Alpha Test Open In-Reply-To: <4B6B7C17.7080209@hindu.org> References: <000001F4.4B6A7CFC@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B6B7C17.7080209@hindu.org> Message-ID: <4B6BDC92.4070301@gmail.com> On 05/02/2010 04:01, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Amazing... we are all mac users here and somehow a recent change broke > the site on IE. > > Working on it... some crazy thing where if there is an https link on a > non-secure page, IE this the whole page should be secured. > > You can just download Hinduism Today Navigator directly from these links. > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/navigator/HTNavMacAlpha.zip > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/navigator/HTNavWinAlpha.zip > Still no Mac icon with 0.6.9a3 when installed via internal update system from icon-less 0.6.9a2; menu 'MORE'. Country drop-down list is now in alphabetical order. I don't understand why every time I download a new version I have to fill in ALL my details. 0.6.9a3 when installed from web-browser download DOES have an icon! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:24:57 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:24:57 +0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <1265335228998-1469721.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002041814y19167d39wc8897de0b4d4ae5f@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6BE3E9.9030908@gmail.com> On 05/02/2010 04:29, Andre Garzia wrote: > Folks, > > I've just added a USB Stick image and a LiveCD. > > http://andregarzia.com/revlinux > > Cheers > andre > > As I only have OLD pcs ( i.e. Pentium 3 & 4) presumably the i686 is not going to function and I will have to "roll my own" - But, Hey, where Andre leads, Richmond feels reasonably confident to follow . . . :) From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Fri Feb 5 07:58:07 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:58:07 -0500 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Andre, Great news on your Linux distro! I can't wait to try it. I saw your note about bandwidth and hosting. Recently I discovered this site that offers FREE hosting with decent bandwidth. Even their premium version is only $5 per month. There are no hidden requirements for ad banners either. Details: The FREE package includes: - 1500 MB of Disk Space, 100 GB Bandwidth - Host your own domain (http://www.yourdomain.com) - cPanel Powered Hosting (you will love it) - Over 500 website templates ready to download - Easy to use website builder - Free POP3 Email Box with Webmail access - FTP and Web based File Manager - PHP, MySQL, Perl, CGI, Ruby. - And many more.. http://www.000webhost.com/249602.html ~Roger From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 08:05:29 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:05:29 -0600 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Folks, > > This was quick! > > Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So > far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow > shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, > PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails > yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's > interest. > > Please, tell me what you think > > http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ > > :D > > Cheers > andre Hello Andre, I think this is a great idea! I normally dual-boot into Ubuntu, but SuSe Linux is a very strong 2nd choice IMO. I have some process intensive things running in the background for a few hours more, but will grab a copy of the VM at some point today. If you keep this stuff up, you are gonna fool around and give me the extra push to upgrade to Rev Enterprise that I've put off for so long now. :-) I too may also have some bandwidth available to serve as a mirror if you need it. Just being curious here... is the $10 that you mentioned for bandwidth charges an estimated per download figure? Thanks so much! David C. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 5 09:01:46 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:01:46 -0800 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro Message-ID: <4B6C24CA.2070105@fourthworld.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So > far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow > shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, > PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails > yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's > interest. Nice work, Andre! Thanks for putting that together. This is almost totally OT, but if you loved SimCity 2 and have been longing for something like it you can run on modern systems, LinCity-NG is a good time and free: I have it on my Ubuntu netbook, but there are builds for OS X and Windows too. Note: the model is a bit different from SimCity's, with the introduction of a new type of building called a "market", central to your city's success. Definitely read the FAQ, worth the five minutes. Andre, is it too silly to pre-install LinCity-NG in the next build of your distro? Too much of a productivity killer? ;) And if anyone has way too much time on their hands and would consider making a Rev port, the source for SimCity 1 has been released under the name "Micropolis" as open source and is available here in TCL/Tk as part of the OLPC project: Anyone can port it provided the work conforms to the GPL, and that they don't use EA's trademark "SimCity" - so "RevCity"? Even if that seems like way too much work, if you have any interest in simulations the source is a good read. This snippet from an early prototype of The Sims is an interesting skim: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From peter001 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 09:26:45 2010 From: peter001 at gmail.com (Peter) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:26:45 -0500 Subject: DVD set Message-ID: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> I'm in NY and got my DVD set 2 weeks ago. From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 5 09:59:28 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:59:28 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Need more detail in tRev card snaps? ZOOM! Message-ID: <47A36FA7-FFE7-4559-8E9B-3EDE8F2A058F@me.com> tRev Featue Friday aficionados, We have had Card Snaphots in the tRev Object Browser for some time now. They are an excellent way to find a control in the browser when you don't know its name. But snaps are often miniatures of the actual card, making their smaller controls difficult to view. Over-miniaturized card snaps are no longer a problem. There is now a small zoom button at the top left of all card snaps in tRev. Just click the zoom button to zoom and unzoom your snaps. There is also a Zoom Snaps menu item with its short cut under the View menu. One video is worth thousands of words: http://reveditor.com/not-enough-detail-in-a-card-snap-zoom-it Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/greater-trev-to-rev-interoperability-and-more From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 10:25:29 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:25:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002041849q2c650720gf319dd7da4365ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> <7c87a2a11002041849q2c650720gf319dd7da4365ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265383529737-1470330.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Andre, Downloaded and run sucessfully the CD version in one of my computers. :-D In another computer, the CD keeps reading (like an infinite loop) and desktop do not appear. My educated guess is that autodetect features fails trying to load drivers for the internal video card for an intel 82810E chip or wireless card brand CNet CWP-854. By the way, in this page you could download RevMedia 4.0 for Linux. http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/revmedia/ Could you include this version in a next version? Keep up this great work! :-) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1470330.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 10:27:25 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:27:25 +0000 Subject: revBrowserSnapshot - skewed image? Message-ID: Hi I'm trying to use the revBrowserSnapshot command and I'm getting mangled images. I'm using the sample code from the dictionary, and using 2 copies of the sample InetBrowser stack that comes with Rev. I've tried with both Rev Studio 3.5 (OS X PPC) and Rev Enterprise 4.0 (Vista). In both cases I'm getting skewed images. Obviously this is not an issue with one version of Rev, or even confined to one browser/external. Basically anyone should be able to try and reproduce this and help me see where I'm going wrong. Within the Rev install directory open Resources/Examples/Browser Sampler Click the 'Launch Browser' button on the first card of that stack Wait for the runrev page (the default) to open up in the browser sampler In the MB type 'Clone this stack' Switch the browser off on the cloned copy (to reveal the underlying img control) Create a button on the original stack with this script: on mouseUp local tSnapshot revBrowserSnapshot 1, "tSnapshot" -- assumes that you haven't killed the first instance of revBrowser launched on opening this stack set the imageData of image "BrowserImage" of stack "Copy of InetBrowser" to tSnapshot end mouseUp Click your new button on the original stack. On the cloned stack you should see the image is skewed. I thought this might be due to the lockLoc of the img control on the cloned stack being true. But even setting that to false makes no difference. Any idea what the problem is here? Is the sample code from the dictionary missing something? I'm really puzzled by this. I've searched through RQCC and can find no mention of any problem with this command. In fact, in the "Browser Sampler" stack if one clicks through to cd 10, there is an example of making a thumbnail of a page, and that too produces a distorted image. Regards, Bernard From mdswindell at cruzio.com Fri Feb 5 10:35:55 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:35:55 -0800 Subject: Why are locking size and position treated as one? Message-ID: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> I asked this a couple of days ago and got no response so I thought I'd try again. Why are locking size and position of an image inextricably linked? They seem to me to be two separate entities. I know how to get around the situation via script, but I don't know why there should be the inconvenience of having to "get around" anything. Is there a good reason for this or is it just a legacy reality that could be changed? Why not be able to drag an image around whose size is constrained? Mark From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 5 11:10:59 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:10:59 -0200 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Navigator - Alpha Test Open In-Reply-To: <4B6BDC92.4070301@gmail.com> References: <000001F4.4B6A7CFC@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B6B7C17.7080209@hindu.org> <4B6BDC92.4070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002050810x2545fd76sda481bb88f967457@mail.gmail.com> Richmond, When I do the update stuff, the icon goes boom. Don't know the cause yet but I am working on it. As for entering your details everytime you update, err... this is a design mistake on my part, the update fetches the whole app again and in doing this, it overwrites the "user data" that lives inside the app. Don't think I will be able to address it now, but, there should not be more than 4 updates a year so I guess we're fine. Om shanti andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > On 05/02/2010 04:01, Sivakatirswami wrote: > >> Amazing... we are all mac users here and somehow a recent change broke the >> site on IE. >> >> Working on it... some crazy thing where if there is an https link on a >> non-secure page, IE this the whole page should be secured. >> >> You can just download Hinduism Today Navigator directly from these links. >> >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/navigator/HTNavMacAlpha.zip >> >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/navigator/HTNavWinAlpha.zip >> >> Still no Mac icon with 0.6.9a3 when installed via internal update system > from > icon-less 0.6.9a2; menu 'MORE'. > > Country drop-down list is now in alphabetical order. > > I don't understand why every time I download a new version I have to fill > in > ALL my details. > > 0.6.9a3 when installed from web-browser download DOES have an icon! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 5 11:12:21 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:12:21 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1265383529737-1470330.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> <7c87a2a11002041849q2c650720gf319dd7da4365ffe@mail.gmail.com> <1265383529737-1470330.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002050812h3035eb90v7fa6cd4647534bf2@mail.gmail.com> Alejandro, thanks for the heads up on revMedia! Didn't knew about that page. I just included it and will generate and upload new images shortly. The version that successfully run on your machine, did you play with Rev in it, was it acceptable? Cheers andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi Andre, > > Downloaded and run sucessfully the CD version > in one of my computers. :-D > > In another computer, the CD keeps reading (like > an infinite loop) and desktop do not appear. > > My educated guess is that autodetect features > fails trying to load drivers for the internal video > card for an intel 82810E chip or wireless card > brand CNet CWP-854. > > By the way, in this page you could download > RevMedia 4.0 for Linux. > > http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/revmedia/ > > Could you include this version in a next version? > > Keep up this great work! :-) > > Alejandro > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1470330.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 5 11:16:23 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:16:23 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <4B6C24CA.2070105@fourthworld.com> References: <4B6C24CA.2070105@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002050816r3a9d98b5u4cc60d9ca3fae236@mail.gmail.com> Richard, Thanks for the cumpliments! As for LinCity, I am a FreeCiv guy (http://freeciv.net ) which in recent times you can play in the browser, they've ported it from desktop app to canvas + js, wonderful work, multiplayer on the browser, fantastic. About including games on this little distro, I am trying to keep the size down, I am not even including WINE (sometimes I think windows is a puzzle game). If you're running a disk image, then you can click the computer button at lower left and choose "install software", you will load an app not unlike synaptic where you can search install lincity on your copy with no problem. The idea is to offer a minimal distro with all things Rev just working. Users can customize to their taste. Cheeers andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Andre Garzia wrote: > >> Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. >> So >> far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will >> follow >> shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, >> PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our >> emails >> yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if >> there's >> interest. >> > > Nice work, Andre! Thanks for putting that together. > > > This is almost totally OT, but if you loved SimCity 2 and have been longing > for something like it you can run on modern systems, LinCity-NG is a good > time and free: > > > > I have it on my Ubuntu netbook, but there are builds for OS X and Windows > too. > > Note: the model is a bit different from SimCity's, with the introduction of > a new type of building called a "market", central to your city's success. > Definitely read the FAQ, worth the five minutes. > > Andre, is it too silly to pre-install LinCity-NG in the next build of your > distro? Too much of a productivity killer? ;) > > > And if anyone has way too much time on their hands and would consider > making a Rev port, the source for SimCity 1 has been released under the name > "Micropolis" as open source and is available here in TCL/Tk as part of the > OLPC project: > > > Anyone can port it provided the work conforms to the GPL, and that they > don't use EA's trademark "SimCity" - so "RevCity"? > > > Even if that seems like way too much work, if you have any interest in > simulations the source is a good read. This snippet from an early prototype > of The Sims is an interesting skim: > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 5 11:18:06 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:18:06 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002041829y764d284fqa6d03bce48c2207d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002050818v1f663d73u7e0317856afb083@mail.gmail.com> Roger, thanks for the nice words! I am using Amazon S3 to host the files, it should be cheaper than that free package. 1.5 GB is not enough to host all the images. I have no size limits there and I will pay some dollars for the bandwidth, small dollars. Cheers andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:58 AM, wrote: > Andre, > > Great news on your Linux distro! I can't wait to try it. I saw your note > about bandwidth and hosting. Recently I discovered this site that offers > FREE hosting with decent bandwidth. Even their premium version is only $5 > per month. There are no hidden requirements for ad banners either. > > Details: > The FREE package includes: > - 1500 MB of Disk Space, 100 GB Bandwidth > - Host your own domain (http://www.yourdomain.com) > - cPanel Powered Hosting (you will love it) > - Over 500 website templates ready to download > - Easy to use website builder > - Free POP3 Email Box with Webmail access > - FTP and Web based File Manager > - PHP, MySQL, Perl, CGI, Ruby. > - And many more.. > > http://www.000webhost.com/249602.html > > ~Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 11:18:26 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:18:26 -0500 Subject: DVD set In-Reply-To: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> Still waiting for mine here in Virginia! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Peter wrote: > I'm in NY and got my DVD set 2 weeks ago. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 5 11:30:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:30:37 -0800 Subject: iPadding around? Video glasses (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <3D59CD38-2124-46B4-9AF5-29A6E9046790@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B348D64-9B54-421A-A3CC-3B76DE13D353@twft.com> Wait, are we supposed to apologize to people or social groups we have offended on the list? Gawd, I am going to have to compile them all and get back to you. Bob On Feb 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > To the well-heeled sexagenarian Caucasoid petite females who commute to > Lower Manhattan, Sorry. From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 5 11:40:33 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:40:33 -0800 Subject: Why are locking size and position treated as one? In-Reply-To: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> References: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <21C4BDF5-B41C-4EB2-9F6C-105969C5A1B0@twft.com> I think your question wasn't answered because it could be taken as rhetorical. I've come across other properties that I thought ought to be on the pallette but were not. I suppose at some point, someone in a room somewhere who makes a lot more money than me has to decide that there will only be one checkbox. Now that you mention it, I think that is the answer to just about everything we encounter in the technological world that doesn't make sense to us at first, and upon further consideration, in a sudden epiphany, I believe at last I have the question to the answer to life the universe and everything! The question is... Which version of the universe is this? The answer of course, is 42. I thing we are on rev 3. They are still working some of the bugs out. Bob On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: > I asked this a couple of days ago and got no response so I thought I'd try again. > > Why are locking size and position of an image inextricably linked? They seem to me to be two separate entities. I know how to get around the situation via script, but I don't know why there should be the inconvenience of having to "get around" anything. Is there a good reason for this or is it just a legacy reality that could be changed? Why not be able to drag an image around whose size is constrained? > > Mark_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 11:49:44 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:49:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <4B6C24CA.2070105@fourthworld.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C24CA.2070105@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1265388584067-1470472.post@n4.nabble.com> Well, thinking about games, does it runs GNU robots? :-D http://www.gnu.org/software/gnurobots/ By the way, Andre, What built-in capabilities have this version for Remote Desktop Sharing? http://en.opensuse.org/Remote_Access_to_SUSE A free client, similar to TeamViewer, would be really useful. Thanks in advance! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1470472.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:02:37 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:02:37 +0200 Subject: DVD set In-Reply-To: <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> On 05/02/2010 18:18, Neal Campbell wrote: > Still waiting for mine here in Virginia! > > Presumably the half that seceded from the Union! It is a devil of a job getting things posted to the CSA these days as they are not a member of the universal postal union . . . :) From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:05:21 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:05:21 +0000 Subject: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference In-Reply-To: <22100199.716571265325746110.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <22100199.716571265325746110.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:22 PM, barryb at libero.it wrote: > ?Reminds me of an apparently true story here in Italy from the 2nd World War. > The phone lines to the isle of Sicily were interrupted and the switchboard > operator reported to his superior officer :- "Signore, the mainland is > isolated!" Barry, the same set of circumstances happened in the UK, reportedly in 1939. "Dense Fog in [the English] Channel: Continent Isolated for Three Days." http://www.englishforums.com/English/ArePhoneTermsTurning/21/hwwcg/Post.htm I remember hearing this anecdote in my childhood, and I could not see what was funny about it - seemed to make sense to me, but it sits strangely on the shoulders of a sea-faring nation. Bernard From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 5 12:04:53 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:04:53 EST Subject: Life, the universe... Message-ID: > The answer of course, is 42. > Arthur Dent pulled the ultimate question from a bag of scrabble tiles: "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?" Interestingly, the answer is correct in base 13. Craig Newman > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:06:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:06:29 +0200 Subject: iPadding around? Video glasses (OT) In-Reply-To: <3B348D64-9B54-421A-A3CC-3B76DE13D353@twft.com> References: <9D4F952C-C227-4426-9664-C34B0745A30A@twft.com> <28CCF6A2-CEB2-4832-9BA7-2E8A94B6A36C@me.com> <3D59CD38-2124-46B4-9AF5-29A6E9046790@earthlink.net> <3B348D64-9B54-421A-A3CC-3B76DE13D353@twft.com> Message-ID: <4B6C5015.2010209@gmail.com> On 05/02/2010 18:30, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Wait, are we supposed to apologize to people or social groups we have offended on the list? Gawd, I am going to have to compile them all and get back to you. > > Bob > > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > > >> To the well-heeled sexagenarian Caucasoid petite females who commute to >> Lower Manhattan, Sorry. >> > Speaking (err . . . writing) as a red-haired, miidle-aged, slightly podgy Anglo-Scot married to a Bulgarian I demand the right to describe myself as an ethno-social group of one! Anybody who so much as says: "You bl***y Runtime Revolution User." is going to have a tough time in the law courts . . . :) From mpetrides at earthlink.net Fri Feb 5 12:08:48 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:08:48 -0600 Subject: DVD set (somewhat OT ) In-Reply-To: <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D5F5D4E-C938-4C62-AD16-7C85119077B0@earthlink.net> Ahem, Missouri may have been a border state, but wasn't part of the CSA AFIK. And I still haven't gotten my DVDs either. Nice try, Richmond, but that explanation won't fly... On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 05/02/2010 18:18, Neal Campbell wrote: >> Still waiting for mine here in Virginia! >> >> > Presumably the half that seceded from the Union! > > It is a devil of a job getting things posted to the CSA these > days as they are not a member of the universal postal union . . . :) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From nealk3nc at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:14:52 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:14:52 -0500 Subject: DVD set In-Reply-To: <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413301002050914y616c6316w71d0ff1fe0768aa5@mail.gmail.com> No less service than when we seceded from the Royal Mail! I still keep looking for the red phone booths though. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > On 05/02/2010 18:18, Neal Campbell wrote: > >> Still waiting for mine here in Virginia! >> >> >> > Presumably the half that seceded from the Union! > > It is a devil of a job getting things posted to the CSA these > days as they are not a member of the universal postal union . . . :) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 5 12:23:04 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:23:04 -0200 Subject: DVD set (somewhat OT ) In-Reply-To: <4D5F5D4E-C938-4C62-AD16-7C85119077B0@earthlink.net> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> <4D5F5D4E-C938-4C62-AD16-7C85119077B0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002050923v60fdfcccte40373c633ea780d@mail.gmail.com> Now... just imagine when I will receive mine here in Niteroi, RJ, BRAZIL. In case anyone is wondering where I live or how Brazil actually looks like, go to http://bit.ly/aOqkjj In the center there's a soccer camp, and a tennis court, my house is directly in front of the tennis court, you can even see my pool. I put a little purple direction thing on top of my house but I don't know if it will stick. And of course, google maps gets the address wrong, the address there is completelly wrong, I don't live in Jacar? or that street, that address is more than 4 KM away from my place. Silly broken geolocation. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Marian Petrides wrote: > Ahem, Missouri may have been a border state, but wasn't part of the CSA > AFIK. And I still haven't gotten my DVDs either. > > Nice try, Richmond, but that explanation won't fly... > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > > On 05/02/2010 18:18, Neal Campbell wrote: > >> Still waiting for mine here in Virginia! > >> > >> > > Presumably the half that seceded from the Union! > > > > It is a devil of a job getting things posted to the CSA these > > days as they are not a member of the universal postal union . . . :) > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 5 12:26:55 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:26:55 -0200 Subject: Why are locking size and position treated as one? In-Reply-To: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> References: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002050926j38303e79o94f3959e22944f00@mail.gmail.com> Mark, very good question, I have no answer. You can fake your locks with script if you want to decouple them. Cheers andre On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > I asked this a couple of days ago and got no response so I thought I'd try > again. > > Why are locking size and position of an image inextricably linked? They > seem to me to be two separate entities. I know how to get around the > situation via script, but I don't know why there should be the inconvenience > of having to "get around" anything. Is there a good reason for this or is > it just a legacy reality that could be changed? Why not be able to drag an > image around whose size is constrained? > > Mark_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:42:12 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:42:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution Message-ID: <1265391732987-1470563.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, I found this text in Anti-Grain website: Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric development to all major platforms: Macintosh, Windows, Linux, and Unix. Runtime Revolution uses Anti-Grain Geometry for simple SVG support on all platforms. http://www.antigrain.com/customers/index.html Interesting, to say the least. Notice that Anti-Grain libraries include functions for scaling, rotating, translating and zooming vector graphics. This means that SVG support is among the future plans or RunRev. :-) Does exists a milestone to include these capabilities for vector graphics transformations (scale, rotate, translation, skew) and (most important) card zooming? Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SVG-Anti-Grain-and-Runtime-Revolution-tp1470563p1470563.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mickclns at mac.com Fri Feb 5 12:55:00 2010 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:55:00 -0500 Subject: Life, the universe... In-Reply-To: <20100205170634.553B7288E93@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100205170634.553B7288E93@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <39247524867799251064193055325243718709-Webmail@me.com> Nah, if you look at the digits of pi and include the initial "3." then 42424242 is found beginning digit 242424 From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:00:04 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:00:04 +0000 Subject: revBrowserSnapshot - skewed image? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can ignore this. I have now got it working without the mangled images. Clearly some step I was taking on both OS X and Vista was causing Rev to mangle all image data, because now the Browser Sampler is working as I would have expected. Weird that once the image data gets mangled, it will continue to be mangled in every operation until one restarts Rev. I can't think of another explanation. Bernard On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to use the revBrowserSnapshot command and I'm getting > mangled images. From support at ahsomme.com Fri Feb 5 13:01:29 2010 From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:01:29 -0800 Subject: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002050923v60fdfcccte40373c633ea780d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> <4D5F5D4E-C938-4C62-AD16-7C85119077B0@earthlink.net> <7c87a2a11002050923v60fdfcccte40373c633ea780d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Andre, Sitting here in my office in San Dimas, California, I can see your house quite clearly - even the purple tag. We live in an amazing age! Paul Looney On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > ... > In case anyone is wondering where I live or how Brazil actually > looks like, > go to > > http://bit.ly/aOqkjj > > In the center there's a soccer camp, and a tennis court, my house is > directly in front of the tennis court, you can even see my pool. I > put a > little purple direction thing on top of my house but I don't know > if it will > stick. > > And of course, google maps gets the address wrong, the address > there is > completelly wrong, I don't live in Jacar? or that street, that > address is > more than 4 KM away from my place. Silly broken geolocation. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 5 13:14:25 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:14:25 -0800 Subject: DVD set (somewhat OT ) In-Reply-To: <4D5F5D4E-C938-4C62-AD16-7C85119077B0@earthlink.net> References: <7421e0561002050626o2fb3f250y29c987f28beeb589@mail.gmail.com> <325413301002050818h65d39539re7ec48d336eea3fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C4F2D.2050801@gmail.com> <4D5F5D4E-C938-4C62-AD16-7C85119077B0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <757425765.20100205101425@ahsoftware.net> Marian- Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:08:48 AM, you wrote: > Ahem, Missouri may have been a border state, but wasn't part of > the CSA AFIK. It's a matter of debate, considering the convoutions between the Missouri Compromise of 1820 and the repercussions of the Dred Scott Decision of 1857. The Missouri Territory was split in two over the issue of slavery, resulting in the lower part of the territory joining the South. Leave it up to the politicians to get things straightened out and they'll ensure that your DVDs can't be delivered. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:27:30 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:27:30 +0000 Subject: revBrowserSnapshot - skewed image? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen this. On 5 February 2010 18:00, Bernard Devlin wrote: > You can ignore this. I have now got it working without the mangled > images. Clearly some step I was taking on both OS X and Vista was > causing Rev to mangle all image data, because now the Browser Sampler > is working as I would have expected. > > Weird that once the image data gets mangled, it will continue to be > mangled in every operation until one restarts Rev. I can't think of > another explanation. > > Bernard > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > > Hi > > > > I'm trying to use the revBrowserSnapshot command and I'm getting > > mangled images. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Feb 5 12:52:57 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:52:57 -0700 Subject: Why are locking size and position treated as one? In-Reply-To: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> References: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <4D4CBB14-B268-45A1-BC77-0FF84BA5F4C9@byu.edu> On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: > I asked this a couple of days ago and got no response so I thought > I'd try again. > > Why are locking size and position of an image inextricably linked? > They seem to me to be two separate entities. I know how to get > around the situation via script, but I don't know why there should > be the inconvenience of having to "get around" anything. Is there a > good reason for this or is it just a legacy reality that could be > changed? Why not be able to drag an image around whose size is > constrained? Mark, There is a long-standing enhancement request on this: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2242 Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From mdswindell at cruzio.com Fri Feb 5 15:49:55 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:49:55 -0800 Subject: Why are locking size and position treated as one? In-Reply-To: <4D4CBB14-B268-45A1-BC77-0FF84BA5F4C9@byu.edu> References: <6405FC8E-4B7D-477F-9C2E-8A2548B6D958@cruzio.com> <4D4CBB14-B268-45A1-BC77-0FF84BA5F4C9@byu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Devin. I gave it some votes and added a plea for a change. Looks like the report has languished since 2005, v. 2.5. Perhaps others can add to it. Mark On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: > >> I asked this a couple of days ago and got no response so I thought I'd try again. >> >> Why are locking size and position of an image inextricably linked? They seem to me to be two separate entities. I know how to get around the situation via script, but I don't know why there should be the inconvenience of having to "get around" anything. Is there a good reason for this or is it just a legacy reality that could be changed? Why not be able to drag an image around whose size is constrained? > > Mark, > > There is a long-standing enhancement request on this: > > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2242 > > Regards, > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sonesond1 at southernct.edu Fri Feb 5 16:19:53 2010 From: sonesond1 at southernct.edu (Dan Soneson) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:19:53 -0600 Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections Message-ID: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> Hi everyone, I have a rather odd problem using rev applications on Mac OSX Leopard, connecting to a server on my network. I connect to a server with an Applescript command: do theScript as Applescript. I can do this just fine. But if I unmount the server by dragging it's icon to the trash, then remount from within Rev eventually Rev reads the name of the server differently. Let's say the name of the server is "George". I can connect to "George" several times, but eventually Rev or Leopard appends a digit to the name of the mounted volume. Originally, the path to file "Textfile.txt" on the server named "George" will be "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt" However, after a few connections (don't know how many or exactly when this happens), the path to the file becomes "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt". Oddly enough, the icon on the desktop for the volume is still "George". However, any reference to the file "Textfile.txt" from within Rev now will fail, since Rev reads the connection as "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt" but is still looking for "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt"! This gets somewhat frustrating, since I never know when it will happen, and once it does, I can no longer transfer files back and forth between the server and the computer. Has anyone seen this behavior? Do you have a workaround or a suggestion to get around this problem? I never had the problem working with pre-Leopard operating systems on the Mac, but it is now cropping up since all our computers in a lab are now running Leopard. Another issue may be that the physical server (now running OSX Snow Leopard) has several share points, each of which may be mounted as individual volumes, one of which is the aforementioned "George". Mounting and unmounting several of these share points may bring about the re-numbering issue. Rebooting the individual computer doesn't seem to help either. Thanks for any suggestions. Dan From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Feb 5 17:11:45 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0700 Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections In-Reply-To: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> References: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Dan Soneson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a rather odd problem using rev applications on Mac OSX > Leopard, connecting to a server on my network. I connect to a server > with an Applescript command: do theScript as Applescript. I can do > this just fine. But if I unmount the server by dragging it's icon > to the trash, then remount from within Rev eventually Rev reads the > name of the server differently. Let's say the name of the server is > "George". I can connect to "George" several times, but eventually > Rev or Leopard appends a digit to the name of the mounted volume. > > Originally, the path to file "Textfile.txt" on the server named > "George" will be "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt" However, after a few > connections (don't know how many or exactly when this happens), the > path to the file becomes "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt". Oddly > enough, the icon on the desktop for the volume is still "George". > However, any reference to the file "Textfile.txt" from within Rev > now will fail, since Rev reads the connection as "/Volumes/George-1/ > Textfile.txt" but is still looking for "/Volumes/George/ > Textfile.txt"! This gets somewhat frustrating, since I never know > when it will happen, and once it does, I can no longer transfer > files back and forth between the server and the computer. > > Has anyone seen this behavior? Do you have a workaround or a > suggestion to get around this problem? I never had the problem > working with pre-Leopard operating systems on the Mac, but it is now > cropping up since all our computers in a lab are now running Leopard. > > Another issue may be that the physical server (now running OSX Snow > Leopard) has several share points, each of which may be mounted as > individual volumes, one of which is the aforementioned "George". > Mounting and unmounting several of these share points may bring > about the re-numbering issue. Rebooting the individual computer > doesn't seem to help either. > > Thanks for any suggestions. Dan, Maybe not a complete answer, but a clue: When OS X mounts volumes with the same name the way it keeps them separate in the Volumes list is by appending a number to the duplicate name. I have sometimes seen cases where the OS somehow doesn't get the message that a volume was ejected, and if it is remounted the volume name appears with a number appended. Open the terminal and type 'ls /Volumes' to see a list of all mounted volumes. Maybe what you need to do is check for the existence of the volume before you try to mount it? Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:12:49 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:12:49 +0100 Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections In-Reply-To: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> References: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> Message-ID: <64bda6471002051512j5eab1b5by585f5e8076bf97b1@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/5 Dan Soneson : > Hi everyone, > > I have a rather odd problem using rev applications on Mac OSX Leopard, connecting to a server on my network. I connect to a server with an Applescript command: do theScript as Applescript. I can do this just fine. But if I unmount the server ?by dragging it's icon to the trash, then remount from within Rev eventually Rev reads the name of the server differently. Let's say the name of the server is "George". I can connect to "George" several times, but eventually Rev or Leopard appends a digit to the name of the mounted volume. > > Originally, the path to file "Textfile.txt" on the server named "George" will be "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt" However, after a few connections (don't know how many or exactly when this happens), the path to the file becomes "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt". Oddly enough, the icon on the desktop for the volume is still "George". However, any reference to the file "Textfile.txt" from within Rev now will fail, since Rev reads the connection as "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt" but is still looking for "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt"! ?This gets somewhat frustrating, since I never know when it will happen, and once it does, I can no longer transfer files back and forth between the server and the computer. > > Has anyone seen this behavior? Do you have a workaround or a suggestion to get around this problem? I never had the problem working with pre-Leopard operating systems on the Mac, but it is now cropping up since all our computers in a lab are now running Leopard. > > Another issue may be that the physical server (now running OSX Snow Leopard) has several share points, each of which may be mounted as individual volumes, one of which is the aforementioned "George". Mounting and unmounting several of these share points may bring about the re-numbering issue. Rebooting the individual computer doesn't seem to help either. > > Thanks for any suggestions. Hi Dan, To resolve your problem you could use a try statement like this: set myVolume to "/Volumes/George" try do shell script "ls " & myVolume -- check if the volume /Volumes/George exists. If the volume doesn't exists an error occurs set myVolume to myVolume on error set myVolume to myVolume & "-1" -- if the try statement failed then the volume must be /Volumes/George-1 end try set myDocument to myVolume & "Textfile.txt" If you want a list of all volumes mounted and try something different, you can use : paragraphs of (do shell script "/bin/ls /Volumes") HTH -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:18:17 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:18:17 +0100 Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002051512j5eab1b5by585f5e8076bf97b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> <64bda6471002051512j5eab1b5by585f5e8076bf97b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002051518p36722c61n24b52878bd9790cc@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/6 zryip theSlug : > Hi Dan, > > To resolve your problem you could use a try statement like this: > > ? ? ? ?set myVolume to "/Volumes/George" > ? ? ? ?try > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?do shell script "ls " & myVolume > ? ? ? ? -- check if the volume /Volumes/George exists. If the volume > doesn't exists an error occurs > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?set myVolume to myVolume > ? ? ? ?on error > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?set myVolume to myVolume & "-1" > -- if the try statement failed then the volume must be /Volumes/George-1 > ? ? ? ?end try > > ? ? ? ?set myDocument to myVolume & "Textfile.txt" > > I correct myself to remove an useless line : set myVolume to "/Volumes/George" try do shell script "ls " & myVolume -- check if the volume /Volumes/George exists. If the volume doesn't exists an error occurs -- set myVolume to myVolume -- useless here ;) on error set myVolume to myVolume & "-1" -- if the try statement failed then the volume must be /Volumes/George-1 end try set myDocument to myVolume & "Textfile.txt" Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From niggemann at uni-wh.de Fri Feb 5 18:48:16 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:48:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections In-Reply-To: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> References: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> Message-ID: <1265413696183-1470939.post@n4.nabble.com> Dan, I had the same with the volume name appended with -x when fast user switching was on and multiple connections to the server were established by different users. Internally the server name appended by -1, -2 and so on. This is under MacOS 10.5.x, but I seem to recall it was also for 10.4.x. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Mac-OSX-Leopard-and-server-connections-tp1470797p1470939.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bvlahos at mac.com Fri Feb 5 20:39:34 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:39:34 -0800 Subject: Looking for beta testers this weekend Message-ID: <9DFCB923-DFC6-4B9D-94E5-62BD0BA10FF0@mac.com> I'm will be releasing a new version of InfoWallet on Sunday and am looking for folks to do a quick final check before I release it. If you are interested in testing it please reply back to me and I'll send you the link. Thank you, Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 21:40:08 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:40:08 +1000 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So > far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow > shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, > PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails > yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's > interest. Fascinating Andre. Although I have no current need for this, I downloaded it out of interest and it works! I am running it in VirtualBox on my Mac. But as a total Linux ignoramus, I have a couple of questions: - how do I change the screen resolution? I saw an icon that looked promising, but it said rotation was not supported and then gave an error. - what is the root password? I found the system prefs (I think) but couldn't open them without a password. Cheers, Sarah From infinite00 at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 5 22:19:17 2010 From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:19:17 -0500 Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac In-Reply-To: <4B69BF9E.9060506@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100203105455.AA6432882E7@mail.runrev.com> <4B69BF9E.9060506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <00920441-2E8A-4A5C-91CB-17C3107D67ED@embarqmail.com> On Feb 3, 2010, at 1:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > David Glasgow wrote: >> So I >> imported it into Iconographer, and chose 'complete icon' from the >> icon menu, and it did some stuff. The resulting icon is now >> acceptable to Rev at build time, but doesn't look good on Vista, and >> behaves as if some sizes are missing (they're not, as far as I can >> tell). > > Iconographer has been unsupported for years now, and has a > significant bug that clips some icons off halfway. I had to stop > using it. Except for a commercial Photoshop plugin that you have to > purchase, I don't know of any good Mac utilities that will create > suitable Windows icons for Rev. If anyone knows, I'd love to know > too. But creating icons in Windows is easy using a Windows-native > icon editor, and if you are developing for Windows anyway then it > isn't hard to just do the icons over there. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay > > _______________________________________________ > I just got a Windows laptop, so I guess that I will use it to make my icon using the app that Jacque recommended. But what happened to "write once and compile for multiple platforms" when you need separate computers to make the apps look right? I don't buy the excuse that some kind of "improvement" makes Rev 4 unable to do as good a job with an icon as Rev 3.5 did. That is not an improvement in my mind, and I hope that the Rev developers don't think so either. Bruce Pokras Blazing Dawn Software From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 23:57:02 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:57:02 +1000 Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections In-Reply-To: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> References: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> Message-ID: > I have a rather odd problem using rev applications on Mac OSX Leopard, connecting to a server on my network. I connect to a server with an Applescript command: do theScript as Applescript. I can do this just fine. But if I unmount the server ?by dragging it's icon to the trash, then remount from within Rev eventually Rev reads the name of the server differently. Let's say the name of the server is "George". I can connect to "George" several times, but eventually Rev or Leopard appends a digit to the name of the mounted volume. > > Originally, the path to file "Textfile.txt" on the server named "George" will be "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt" However, after a few connections (don't know how many or exactly when this happens), the path to the file becomes "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt". Oddly enough, the icon on the desktop for the volume is still "George". However, any reference to the file "Textfile.txt" from within Rev now will fail, since Rev reads the connection as "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt" but is still looking for "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt"! ?This gets somewhat frustrating, since I never know when it will happen, and once it does, I can no longer transfer files back and forth between the server and the computer. > > Has anyone seen this behavior? Do you have a workaround or a suggestion to get around this problem? I never had the problem working with pre-Leopard operating systems on the Mac, but it is now cropping up since all our computers in a lab are now running Leopard. > > Another issue may be that the physical server (now running OSX Snow Leopard) has several share points, each of which may be mounted as individual volumes, one of which is the aforementioned "George". Mounting and unmounting several of these share points may bring about the re-numbering issue. Rebooting the individual computer doesn't seem to help either. This isn't just a Snow Leopard problem but has been around for a long time. Here is the script I use for making network connections. The example connects to a Public folder on a remote machine. It includes a check for the shared folder not having been properly disconnected, so avoids the -1 problem. local sLastLoginAttempt -- connect to remote server -- on doRemoteLogin -- retrieve these 3 parameters from custom props or other data storage put the cRemoteIP of this stack into remoteIP put the cLoginName of this stack into login put base64decode(the cLoginPass of this stack) into pword put "/Volumes/" & login & "/Public/" into tRemoteFolder if the volumes contains login or there is a folder tRemoteFolder then exit doRemoteLogin -- already logged in end if if remoteIP is empty OR remoteIP = "localhost" OR remoteIP = "127.0.0.1" then exit doRemoteLogin -- getting data locally end if if login is empty OR pword is empty then exit doRemoteLogin -- not set up yet end if -- don't try more than once every 10 minutes, or it can lock up the program if the seconds - sLastLoginAttempt < 600 then exit doRemoteLogin else put the seconds into sLastLoginAttempt end if -- Shell commands: -- mkdir /Volumes/emonitor -- mount_afp afp://emonitor:jade05 at 192.168.0.101/emonitor /Volumes/emonitor -- for a background task: "command > file_path 2>&1 &" or "command >/dev/null 2>&1 &" set the cursor to watch if there is a folder ("/Volumes/" & login) then -- was connected but didn't disconnect properly put "rm -d /Volumes/" & login into tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) end if put "mkdir /Volumes/" & login into tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put "mount_afp afp://" & login & ":" & pword & "@" into tShellCmd put remoteIP & "/" & login && "/Volumes/" & login after tShellCmd put " > /dev/null 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) -- keep checking for 10 seconds, then give up repeat 10 times set the cursor to busy wait 1 second with messages if the volumes contains login or there is a folder tRemoteFolder then exit doRemoteLogin end if end repeat end doRemoteLogin HTH, Sarah From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 6 01:03:05 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:03:05 +0100 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: <1265391732987-1470563.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265391732987-1470563.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: In between, about driving automatic edition of SVG contents via Revolution, Context Free can provide a real usefull help : Best, P. Le 5 f?vr. 10 ? 18:42, Alejandro Tejada a ?crit : > > Hi all, > > I found this text in Anti-Grain website: > > Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing > user-centric development to all major platforms: > Macintosh, Windows, Linux, and Unix. > Runtime Revolution uses Anti-Grain Geometry for simple > SVG support on all platforms. > > http://www.antigrain.com/customers/index.html > > Interesting, to say the least. > > Notice that Anti-Grain libraries include functions > for scaling, rotating, translating and zooming > vector graphics. > > This means that SVG support is among the future plans > or RunRev. :-) > > Does exists a milestone to include these capabilities > for vector graphics transformations (scale, rotate, > translation, skew) and (most important) card zooming? > > Alejandro > > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SVG-Anti-Grain-and-Runtime-Revolution-tp1470563p1470563.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From support at ahsomme.com Sat Feb 6 02:05:53 2010 From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:05:53 -0800 Subject: Mac OSX Leopard and server connections In-Reply-To: References: <5957D9E0-A312-4DCE-B337-82E28DB048A0@southernct.edu> Message-ID: Dan, We have found this problem on OS X going back to Panther, 10.3.9. In our experience it happens when attempting to mount two volumes (or share points) with the same name. OS X will label the second one "The Same Name-1" but the "-1" is hidden. This can happen when a volume is remounted before it is completely dismounted. It can happen when inserting a flash drive (or any other type of drive) with the same name as one already mounted. Jeanne DeVoto mentioned that she noticed it when reinserting ejectable cartridges too rapidly. The esteemed Phil Davis has written us a program called "Connection Repair" which fixes this for the network-connected volume we use; it unmounts all volumes with that name. If there is a sufficient need for this we could generalize it and make it available to all Rev users. Paul Looney On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> I have a rather odd problem using rev applications on Mac OSX >> Leopard, connecting to a server on my network. I connect to a >> server with an Applescript command: do theScript as Applescript. I >> can do this just fine. But if I unmount the server by dragging >> it's icon to the trash, then remount from within Rev eventually >> Rev reads the name of the server differently. Let's say the name >> of the server is "George". I can connect to "George" several >> times, but eventually Rev or Leopard appends a digit to the name >> of the mounted volume. >> >> Originally, the path to file "Textfile.txt" on the server named >> "George" will be "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt" However, after a >> few connections (don't know how many or exactly when this >> happens), the path to the file becomes "/Volumes/George-1/ >> Textfile.txt". Oddly enough, the icon on the desktop for the >> volume is still "George". However, any reference to the file >> "Textfile.txt" from within Rev now will fail, since Rev reads the >> connection as "/Volumes/George-1/Textfile.txt" but is still >> looking for "/Volumes/George/Textfile.txt"! This gets somewhat >> frustrating, since I never know when it will happen, and once it >> does, I can no longer transfer files back and forth between the >> server and the computer. >> >> Has anyone seen this behavior? Do you have a workaround or a >> suggestion to get around this problem? I never had the problem >> working with pre-Leopard operating systems on the Mac, but it is >> now cropping up since all our computers in a lab are now running >> Leopard. >> >> Another issue may be that the physical server (now running OSX >> Snow Leopard) has several share points, each of which may be >> mounted as individual volumes, one of which is the aforementioned >> "George". Mounting and unmounting several of these share points >> may bring about the re-numbering issue. Rebooting the individual >> computer doesn't seem to help either. > > > This isn't just a Snow Leopard problem but has been around for a long > time. Here is the script I use for making network connections. The > example connects to a Public folder on a remote machine. > It includes a check for the shared folder not having been properly > disconnected, so avoids the -1 problem. > > > local sLastLoginAttempt > > -- connect to remote server > -- > on doRemoteLogin > -- retrieve these 3 parameters from custom props or other data > storage > put the cRemoteIP of this stack into remoteIP > put the cLoginName of this stack into login > put base64decode(the cLoginPass of this stack) into pword > > put "/Volumes/" & login & "/Public/" into tRemoteFolder > > if the volumes contains login or there is a folder > tRemoteFolder then > exit doRemoteLogin -- already logged in > end if > > if remoteIP is empty OR remoteIP = "localhost" OR remoteIP = > "127.0.0.1" then > exit doRemoteLogin -- getting data locally > end if > > if login is empty OR pword is empty then > exit doRemoteLogin -- not set up yet > end if > > -- don't try more than once every 10 minutes, or it can lock up > the program > if the seconds - sLastLoginAttempt < 600 then > exit doRemoteLogin > else > put the seconds into sLastLoginAttempt > end if > > -- Shell commands: > -- mkdir /Volumes/emonitor > -- mount_afp afp://emonitor:jade05 at 192.168.0.101/emonitor / > Volumes/emonitor > -- for a background task: "command > file_path 2>&1 &" or "command >> /dev/null 2>&1 &" > > set the cursor to watch > if there is a folder ("/Volumes/" & login) then > -- was connected but didn't disconnect properly > put "rm -d /Volumes/" & login into tShellCmd > get shell(tShellCmd) > end if > put "mkdir /Volumes/" & login into tShellCmd > get shell(tShellCmd) > put "mount_afp afp://" & login & ":" & pword & "@" into tShellCmd > put remoteIP & "/" & login && "/Volumes/" & login after tShellCmd > put " > /dev/null 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd > get shell(tShellCmd) > > -- keep checking for 10 seconds, then give up > repeat 10 times > set the cursor to busy > wait 1 second with messages > if the volumes contains login or there is a folder > tRemoteFolder then > exit doRemoteLogin > end if > end repeat > end doRemoteLogin > > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at architex.tv Sat Feb 6 06:11:33 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:11:33 +0000 Subject: To template or to lock? Message-ID: Pretty sure that setting a templateXXX to a bunch of properties is the way to go if you need to repeatedly create the same type of object, but I was wandering about one-off's? I'm looking at a community provided script - and it used the templategraphic technique to create each object - like this: 1. set the prop x of the templategraphic to n 2. set the prop y of the templategraphic to m .... 3. create the graphic 4. reset templategraphic In my not entirely scientific speed tests I get 168 ticks for the creation of 100 objects using this technique. As fo the technique of simple creation and locking the screenr: 1. lock the screen 2. create the graphic 3. set prop x, y, z.... 4. unlock the screen I get 94 ticks for the creation of 100 objects using the lock screen technique for each object creation. I guess simple creation of the object is not only a little safer (no forgetting to rest), but nearly twice as fast (which is surprising). Here are the two scripts: on mouseUp > put the ticks into startTick > set lockmessages to true > repeat 100 > set the foregroundcolor of the templategraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the backgroundcolor of the templategraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the style of the templategraphic to "rectangle" > set the linesize of the templategraphic to random (8) > set the opaque of the templategraphic to true > set the loc of the templategraphic to the loc of this cd > > create graphic "Test" > reset templategraphic > end repeat > set lockmessages to false > put the ticks - startTick > end mouseUp > > on mouseUp > put the ticks into startTick > set lockmessages to true > repeat 100 > lock screen > create graphic "Test" > put it into createdGraphic > > set the foregroundcolor of createdGraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the backgroundcolor of createdGraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the style of createdGraphic to "rectangle" > set the linesize of createdGraphic to random (8) > set the opaque of createdGraphic to true > set the loc of createdGraphic to the loc of this cd > > unlock screen > end repeat > set lockmessages to false > put the ticks - startTick > end mouseUp > > function colour_GetRandom > put random(255) into item 1 of someColour > put random(255) into item 2 of someColour > put random(255) into item 3 of someColour > return someColour > end colour_GetRandom > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 06:35:05 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:35:05 +1000 Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:11 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Pretty sure that setting a templateXXX to a bunch of properties is the way > to go if you need to repeatedly create the same type of object, but I was > wandering about one-off's? I'm looking at a community provided script - and > it used the templategraphic technique to create each object - like this: > > ? 1. set the prop x of the templategraphic to n > ? 2. set the prop y of the templategraphic to m .... > ? 3. create the graphic > ? 4. reset templategraphic > > In my not entirely scientific speed tests I get 168 ticks for the creation > of 100 objects using this technique. As fo the technique of simple creation > and locking the screenr: > > ? 1. lock the screen > ? 2. create the graphic > ? 3. set prop x, y, z.... > ? 4. unlock the screen > > I get 94 ticks for the creation of 100 objects using the lock screen > technique for each object creation. I guess simple creation of the object is > not only a little safer (no forgetting to rest), but nearly twice as fast > (which is surprising). I would combine the 2 techniques. Before the repeat loop, set the templateGraphic's properties to those that are the same in each graphic. In the repeat loop, create the new graphic and set the properties that are different for each graphic. After the repeat loop has finished, reset the templateGraphic, but only do this once. This is untested, but would seem logically to be the most efficient method. Unless you really need to see the graphics as they are created, it will be much faster if you put a lock screen before the repeat loop starts, rather than locking & unlocking for each object. An alternative that I have used is to have a hidden object that is already set up the way I want, then just clone it instead of creating a new object from scratch. But I haven't done any benchmarks on that, since I usually only need it during development. Cheers, Sarah From david.bovill at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 06:46:21 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:46:21 +0000 Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6 February 2010 11:35, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > I would combine the 2 techniques. > > Before the repeat loop, set the templateGraphic's properties to those > that are the same in each graphic. > There are no repeated properties each graphic is unique. IThe scripts quoted are just test to compare object creation speed. It is interesting to note that it is nearly twice as fast - not to use templateXXX for creation of individual objects - personally I'd have guessed it would be slightly faster or the same to set a global template than to find and set a specific object. From niggemann at uni-wh.de Sat Feb 6 06:49:55 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 03:49:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265456995818-1471182.post@n4.nabble.com> David, I fully agree with Sarah, but even in your comparison you forgot to set the lockscreen in the templategraphic example. try this modification of your script and compare the times -------------------- on mouseUp put the ticks into startTick set the lockmessages to true set the lockscreen to true repeat 100 set the foregroundcolor of the templategraphic to colour_GetRandom() set the backgroundcolor of the templategraphic to colour_GetRandom() set the style of the templategraphic to "rectangle" set the linesize of the templategraphic to random (8) set the opaque of the templategraphic to true set the loc of the templategraphic to the loc of this cd create graphic "Test" reset templategraphic end repeat set the lockscreen to false put the ticks - startTick end mouseUp function colour_GetRandom put random(255) into item 1 of someColour put random(255) into item 2 of someColour put random(255) into item 3 of someColour return someColour end colour_GetRandom ------------------- in your script without the templategraphic you lock and unlock the screen every time around in the repeat loop, without that you get about the same speed as with the templategraphic ----------------- on mouseUp put the ticks into startTick set lockmessages to true lock screen repeat 100 create graphic "Test" put it into createdGraphic set the foregroundcolor of createdGraphic to colour_GetRandom() set the backgroundcolor of createdGraphic to colour_GetRandom() set the style of createdGraphic to "rectangle" set the linesize of createdGraphic to random (8) set the opaque of createdGraphic to true set the loc of createdGraphic to the loc of this cd end repeat set lockmessages to false unlock screen put the ticks - startTick end mouseUp function colour_GetRandom put random(255) into item 1 of someColour put random(255) into item 2 of someColour put random(255) into item 3 of someColour return someColour end colour_GetRandom -------------------------------- for both versions it takes about 3 ticks on a MacBook Pro 2.33 regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/To-template-or-to-lock-tp1471169p1471182.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikekann at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 12:08:42 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:08:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163526.55137.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Pierre, thanks for the heads up. I found this reference to SVG and RR in the archives from about a year ago. --------------------------- Fri Jan 18 14:20:48 CST 2008 Richard Gaskin wrote: Alejandro Tejada Capellan was inspired by my very modest Rev->SVG translator and wrote a damn fine library for that: . --------------------------- The geocities link is dead, but perhaps the damn fine library has survived. Does anywhere know where it is? Thanks in advance of course, Mike --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Pierre Sahores wrote: > From: Pierre Sahores > Subject: Re: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:03 AM > In between, about driving automatic > edition of SVG contents via? > Revolution, Context Free can provide a real usefull help : > > > > Best, > > P. > > > Le 5 f?vr. 10 ? 18:42, Alejandro Tejada a ?crit : > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I found this text in Anti-Grain website: > > > > Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on > bringing > > user-centric development to all major platforms: > > Macintosh, Windows, Linux, and Unix. > > Runtime Revolution uses Anti-Grain Geometry for > simple > > SVG support on all platforms. > > > > http://www.antigrain.com/customers/index.html > > > > Interesting, to say the least. > > > > Notice that Anti-Grain libraries include functions > > for scaling, rotating, translating and zooming > > vector graphics. > > > > This means that SVG support is among the future plans > > or RunRev. :-) > > > > Does exists a milestone to include these capabilities > > for vector graphics transformations (scale, rotate, > > translation, skew) and (most important) card zooming? > > > > Alejandro > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SVG-Anti-Grain-and-Runtime-Revolution-tp1470563p1470563.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive > at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your? > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 6 12:14:31 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:14:31 -0500 Subject: Create Alias to URL? Message-ID: I am using Rev 4.0 on WinXP. The create alias command will work for a file or a folder, but not a URL to an internet page. Looking at the properties of a FILE.lnk compared to one made from a URL (saved from internet explorer), the main difference is the middle tab. For a file it is "Shortcut", and for a URL it is "Web Document". If there is no built-in support (yet), what is the best way to script the creation of a web link file. Should I just store one in a custom property and write it out to a file when I want to create it? ----- Roger Eller References: <20100128132630.3ABF828879E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Ian Mcphails Stack on revOnline is also very impressive: http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/112/SVGL Cheers, Malte From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 12:49:51 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:49:51 +0200 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution Message-ID: <4B6DABBF.7020807@gmail.com> Alejandro Tejada wrote: "I found this text in Anti-Grain website: http://www.antigrain.com/customers/index.html Interesting, to say the least." Well, yes . . . But if you scroll down to the bottom of that list it says: "Copyright ? 2002-2006 Maxim Shemanarev" 1. It is 4 years out of date, so, if RunRev were thinking about SVG in 2006 they are obviously still "gestating". To which the obvious answer is just to look at the Vector graphics stuff that has been implemented in RR 4.0. 2. If RunRev WERE using Anti-Grain for SVG handling in 2006 it seems to have passed everybody by; and Runtime Revolution have never been shy about improvements they have made in their software. 3. I have taught Russian students English in the USA, and met a fair few Russians elsewhere; including those who make "Linux XP" for whom I did some translation work 3 years ago (waiting for the payment for the work . . .); my experience is that a lot of them live in some sort of parallel universe to ours; and that bit about RunRev and SVG looks awfully like somebody taking a line (or a stray remark) for a walk. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 6 15:37:50 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:37:50 -0600 Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac In-Reply-To: <00920441-2E8A-4A5C-91CB-17C3107D67ED@embarqmail.com> References: <20100203105455.AA6432882E7@mail.runrev.com> <4B69BF9E.9060506@hyperactivesw.com> <00920441-2E8A-4A5C-91CB-17C3107D67ED@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6DD31E.6040709@hyperactivesw.com> Bruce Pokras wrote: > But what happened to "write > once and compile for multiple platforms" when you need separate > computers to make the apps look right? I don't buy the excuse that some > kind of "improvement" makes Rev 4 unable to do as good a job with an > icon as Rev 3.5 did. That is not an improvement in my mind, and I hope > that the Rev developers don't think so either. It doesn't bother me at all. Icons are an external resource and we've always needed a third-party app to create them. The old way of embedding Windows icons was based on Windows 95 and had some unusual requirements even back then. I'm sure you've bumped up against the restrictions for icon size, color depth, number of icons in the file, etc. With Vista and Win 7 it became apparent that the file structure needed to be updated so that Rev apps would function like any other on that platform and comply with standards. So all that is required is that you use a different icon editor than the one you used to use, one that creates icons that fit with today's file structure. I don't know what you were using before, but for now there aren't many Mac alternatives. If someday one appears, you can use that one and not need a Windows machine. There were some good reasons to change the file structure, including the ability to certify your Windows apps with a manifest, just like any other Windows program. That's necessary in today's more restrictive Windows environment. Vista introduced some stiff security measures and your app is more likely to fail if it doesn't comply. That change doesn't mean that Rev is deficient -- in fact, it indicates that Rev is keeping up with the OS -- but it does mean you need to change the icon editor you use. Virtually any newer Windows icon editor will work. To date, almost no Mac one will. What were you using before? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 17:06:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:06:29 +0200 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <20100128132630.3ABF828879E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B6DE7E5.8000505@gmail.com> On 06/02/2010 19:41, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Ian Mcphail's Stack on revOnline is also very impressive: > > http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/112/SVGL > > > Yes it is. However it does NOT import SVG images; it draws highly complex vector graphics from a code field. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 17:21:08 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:21:08 +0200 Subject: SVG and short-term memories . . . Message-ID: <4B6DEB54.5010905@gmail.com> Digging around I came across this: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-March/014167.html popped across to Richard Gaskin's neck of the woods and downloaded http://www.fourthworld.net/revnet/Go_RevNet.rev in a trice, and, "Lo and behold" there I downloaded mc2svg.rev which solves at least half of the riddle. ____________________________________________________________ Which, bye-the-bye gets me up onto one of my old hobby-horses: there are lots and lots of RunRev/Metacard resources "lying around" that are just there for the taking, but are neglected and, largely unknown which can save a lot of 'aggro' and chewing over ground that has already been covered quite some time ago (in mc2svg's case, 7 years). From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 17:45:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:45:46 +0200 Subject: SVG and short-term memories . . . In-Reply-To: <4B6DEB54.5010905@gmail.com> References: <4B6DEB54.5010905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6DF11A.5040106@gmail.com> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-March/002930.html http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/vector_graphics_in_revolution.htm http://downloads.runrev.com/userguide/userguide.pdf states that: "Vector graphics can also be created and manipulated with the graphic tools and by script. Revolution supports paths with variable fills, gradients, blended and antialiased graphics. At time of this writing there is also a 3rd party library that allows the import and export of SVG format graphics. Use graphic objects to create interactive interfaces, graphs, charts or games. " but for some queer reason it doesn't say from where one can obtain this library! This is really tantalising; it's there, yet it is out of reach; and almost as juicy as the eponymous bunch of grapes! From revolution at derbrill.de Sat Feb 6 19:02:15 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:02:15 +0100 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: <20100129180005.AEFCE288D1A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100129180005.AEFCE288D1A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5FC33561-F7AD-4908-86D0-984226BF31AF@derbrill.de> Richmond wrote: > However it does NOT import SVG images; it draws highly > complex vector graphics from a code field. If I am not mistaken, SVG is an XML description of an image, so as far as I understand it, it is drawing highly complex graphics from code. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics CHeers, Malte From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 6 19:04:47 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:04:47 -0800 Subject: SVG and short-term memories . . . In-Reply-To: <4B6DF11A.5040106@gmail.com> References: <4B6DEB54.5010905@gmail.com> <4B6DF11A.5040106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2098740828.20100206160447@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- > At time of this writing there is also a 3rd party library that allows > the import and export of > SVG format graphics. Use graphic objects to create interactive > interfaces, graphs, charts > or games. " Well, if you don't mind installing ImageMagick, it's pretty easy to script controlling it from rev... of course, if you're talking about shipping an application then that's a different matter. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 6 19:53:40 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:53:40 -0500 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow Message-ID: Spent the whole day snowplowing the 2+ ft of snow off the driveway. The power stayed on for us and thank goodness the internet is still working. Never underestimate the comfort in staying connected. Like when Andr? shared his google map location. Very cool. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html From mikeythek at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:01:21 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:01:21 -0500 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> As someone who lives somewhere that it snows 350+ inches a year, I can sympathize with you. I'm guessing you don't live somewhere that a 24" snowblower and a generator are just standard appliances that come with the house. Anyway, glad that you still have power. That will definitely make life more tolerable for the next few days while this thing winds down and crews finally get around to clearing roads that are undoubtedly clogged and at best barely passable. If it makes you feel any worse, the storm missed us up here in Lake Effect Snow country. But it also missed my friends in Sydney, Honolulu, Panama City and Rio, too. Wait - it never snows in those places. Never mind. Mike -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From nealk3nc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:02:41 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:02:41 -0500 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <325413301002061702u4e1570b0o2fc38542c67e4393@mail.gmail.com> We are "enjoying" our second 20+ inch snowfall so far this winter and the third 12+ inch snowfall in a region that averages 4". We lost power for 3 hours but thank goodness for gas logs and wired landline phones! Stay safe and warm. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Spent the whole day snowplowing the 2+ ft of snow off the driveway. The > power stayed on for us and thank goodness the internet is still working. > Never underestimate the comfort in staying connected. Like when Andr? shared > his google map location. Very cool. > > > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Feb 6 20:42:01 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:42:01 -0800 Subject: Blowfish 448 bit doesn't work in Windows Message-ID: Works on Mac and Linux. Rev only lists Blowfish 128 in its list of cipherNames and that works. Does Rev pick up the 448 from unix on Mac and Linux? How do I get Blowfish 448 to work on Windows? Bill Vlahos From mpetrides at earthlink.net Sat Feb 6 20:42:27 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:42:27 -0600 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> And then there are those of us who would have welcomed a couple of feet of snow, instead of the paltry few inches we got yesterday here in mid MO. On Feb 6, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Mikey wrote: > As someone who lives somewhere that it snows 350+ inches a year, I can > sympathize with you. I'm guessing you don't live somewhere that a 24" > snowblower and a generator are just standard appliances that come > with the > house. > > Anyway, glad that you still have power. That will definitely make > life more > tolerable for the next few days while this thing winds down and crews > finally get around to clearing roads that are undoubtedly clogged > and at > best barely passable. > > If it makes you feel any worse, the storm missed us up here in Lake > Effect > Snow country. > > > But it also missed my friends in Sydney, Honolulu, Panama City and > Rio, > too. Wait - it never snows in those places. Never mind. > > Mike > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikeythek at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:48:31 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:48:31 -0500 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002061748g54bdc26aq5d8ead1cfd23790c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, well, I'd love a couple of feet right now, too. The only new snow on the slopes here in the last couple of weeks is the man-made stuff, which, while great, just isn't the same. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 23:23:57 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:23:57 -0800 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: and in Vegas it is tennis weather. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Feb 6, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: > And then there are those of us who would have welcomed a couple of > feet of snow, instead of the paltry few inches we got yesterday here > in mid MO. > > On Feb 6, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Mikey wrote: > >> As someone who lives somewhere that it snows 350+ inches a year, I >> can >> sympathize with you. I'm guessing you don't live somewhere that a >> 24" >> snowblower and a generator are just standard appliances that come >> with the >> house. >> >> Anyway, glad that you still have power. That will definitely make >> life more >> tolerable for the next few days while this thing winds down and crews >> finally get around to clearing roads that are undoubtedly clogged >> and at >> best barely passable. >> >> If it makes you feel any worse, the storm missed us up here in Lake >> Effect >> Snow country. From jim at visitrieve.com Sat Feb 6 23:55:23 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:55:23 -1000 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008401caa7b1$c2827520$47875f60$@com> Mikey wrote: > If it makes you feel any worse, the storm missed us up here in Lake > Effect > Snow country. > > > But it also missed my friends in Sydney, Honolulu, Panama City and Rio, > too. Wait - it never snows in those places. Never mind. Last week, my daughter who is in graduate school in North Carolina called all excited exclaiming, "It's snowing! It's snowing!" She said, "It's just so beautiful and it just floats down from the sky!" She took a ton of pictures and couldn't stop watching and marveling at this miracle. She called several more times to share her excitement. You see in all of her 22 years, while visiting places, she had occasionally seen snow on the ground, she had never seen it snow. Just goes to remind how one person's drudgery can be another's wonder. It reminded me that it is not what happens, but how we react to what happens, that makes all the difference in the world. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 7 02:54:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:54:52 -0600 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: <008401caa7b1$c2827520$47875f60$@com> References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> <008401caa7b1$c2827520$47875f60$@com> Message-ID: <4B6E71CC.10507@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Last week, my daughter who is in graduate school in North Carolina called > all excited exclaiming, "It's snowing! It's snowing!" She said, "It's just > so beautiful and it just floats down from the sky!" She took a ton of > pictures and couldn't stop watching and marveling at this miracle. She > called several more times to share her excitement. > > You see in all of her 22 years, while visiting places, she had occasionally > seen snow on the ground, she had never seen it snow. > > Just goes to remind how one person's drudgery can be another's wonder. It > reminded me that it is not what happens, but how we react to what happens, > that makes all the difference in the world. My nephew from Texas said the same thing when he was visiting here. So I handed him a shovel. Opinons can change quickly. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sun Feb 7 03:38:37 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:38:37 +0200 Subject: NEW ARCHIVES of Franklin 3D (1.0 b10) uploaded to site. Message-ID: Hi All, * Our guys have did huge job, and we are happy upload new archives of Franklin 3D 1.0b10. Added about 400+ new methods! * Now we have complete mirror of IRRLICHT engine API in the Revolution external. This was huge amount of job, more of 1000 methods totally to wrap and make them working. * Also was updated WIKI pages with API of Franklin for Revolution to describe all that methods. * We hope that this archive actually can be a release candidate. And if all right, in the nearest days can be shipped release 1.0 of Franklin. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 05:06:37 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:06:37 +0200 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: <5FC33561-F7AD-4908-86D0-984226BF31AF@derbrill.de> References: <20100129180005.AEFCE288D1A@mail.runrev.com> <5FC33561-F7AD-4908-86D0-984226BF31AF@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <4B6E90AD.8060908@gmail.com> On 07/02/2010 02:02, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Richmond wrote: > > >> However it does NOT import SVG images; it draws highly >> complex vector graphics from a code field. >> > If I am not mistaken, SVG is an XML description of an image, so as far as I understand it, > it is drawing highly complex graphics from code. :-) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics > > You are quite right. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 05:08:14 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:08:14 +0200 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6E910E.8020906@gmail.com> On 07/02/2010 02:53, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Spent the whole day snowplowing the 2+ ft of snow off the driveway. The power stayed on for us and thank goodness the internet is still working. Never underestimate the comfort in staying connected. Like when Andr? shared his google map location. Very cool. > > > > Here in Bulgaria we have about 2 feet's worth; spent morning splitting logs and shovelling out our entrance way. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 05:15:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:15:41 +0200 Subject: [WOT] The Prescience of Ian Dury Message-ID: <4B6E92CD.3000204@gmail.com> WOT: Way Off Topic. Who could have guessed: "I could be the catalyst that sparks the _revolution_ I could be an inmate in a _long-term institution_" 'What A Waste'. Ian Dury and the Blockheads. (My emphasis) What I really want to know is whether RunRev is a long-term institution, or, like Hypercard, it will suddenly reveal itself to be a Boojum. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 08:49:31 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:49:31 +0200 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution Message-ID: <4B6EC4EB.6040705@gmail.com> I would be extremely grateful if anyone could tell me where Alejandro's stacks have gone: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-January/092225.html as Geocities has vanished. sincerely, Richmond. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 10:14:21 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:14:21 +0000 Subject: Create Alias to URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:14 PM, wrote: > > I am using Rev 4.0 on WinXP. The create alias command will work for a file > or a folder, but not a URL to an internet page. Looking at the properties > of a FILE.lnk compared to one made from a URL (saved from internet > explorer), the main difference is the middle tab. For a file it is > "Shortcut", and for a URL it is "Web Document". > > If there is no built-in support (yet), what is the best way to script the > creation of a web link file. Should I just store one in a custom property > and write it out to a file when I want to create it? The problem I see with storing one of these as a file in a custom property then saving it on the filesystem with an updated URL, is that they seem to contain some UUID. If you list one in a command window using e.g. more, you will see something like this: [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.google.co.uk/ IDList= IconFile=http://www.google.com/favicon.ico IconIndex=1 [{000214A0-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}] Prop3=19,2 Maybe you can just update that URL and the other details won't matter. I notice that when I pasted the above into Notepad and saved it as a .url file, that the iconfile being used was an IE icon rather than Google's favicon. When I clicked the shortcut file, it still opened in my default browser (which is not IE). Still, that may not be satisfactory. I don't do much Windows scripting, but I suppose it should be possible to create one of these Web Document shortcuts using VBScript. I did a quick search for you and found some sample code: http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=47&main=1674600&type=thread This seems to be the bare minimum: set oUrlLink = WshShell.CreateShortcut(strDesktop & "\Microsoft Web Site.url") oUrlLink.TargetPath = "http://www.yahoo.com" oUrlLink.Save Bernard From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 10:30:50 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:30:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6EC4EB.6040705@gmail.com> References: <1265391732987-1470563.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B6EC4EB.6040705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265556650130-1472020.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Richmond, New direction is: http://capellan2000.000space.com/ Notice that i have not made significant work with svg... just with Adobe Ilustrator files (vector graphics only for import and export) and PDF files (vector graphics only for export only). Code for svg export that i used in one stack is an adaptation of Richard Gasking's works from stack mc2svg. Richmond, you should follow Malte's recommendation to use Ian McPhail's stack: SVGL. This stack (SVGL) implement correctly most SVG Transformations: scale, translation and rotate. Other features that i want to see in this stack: 1) Skew and Matrix Transformations (that allows all transformations in a single operation). 2) Support for gradients and transparency in fills and strokes. 3) Import Circles and Rounded Rectangles as Rev Circles and Rounded Rectangles (actual version of SVGL import both kind of graphics as Polylines) Recently, i post a message announcing a new version of Eps Import. Read this message again: Download the stack "Eps Import V05B" from: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TL5QP5WD or visit my webpage: http://capellan2000.000space.com/ in this page look for the stack named: Eps_Import_V05B.zip Notice that this website named 000space does not allow hotlinking so, if you click in this link to download the file, you will be redirected to an error page: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/Eps_Import_V05B.zip New in this version: Basic functionality to import ilustrator blends as gradients. Still pending to create code for some important blend properties. Important caveat: Your ilustrator gradients should have a name compatible with the Runrev convention for variable names. That is, your gradients names in ilustrator should not have any "ilegal" characters like commas, ampersand (&), etc, etc. Ilustrator files exported from Xara, (the tool that i use) does not have this problem, because gradients are named like "Radial gradient 05" and "Lineal gradient 12". Hopefully, Runrev will integrate soon this functionality of importing blends to their SVGL importer stack. In fact, svg graphics are better than ilustrator graphics because they share many important features with vector graphics from this platform, like defined geometric shapes (vital to import round rectangles and circles), alpha properties for each color inside a fill or stroke and gradients applied to stroke lines. Alert me in this mail list about any problems with the download links provided. Happy and fruitful 2010 for everyone! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SVG-Anti-Grain-and-Runtime-Revolution-tp1470563p1472020.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 11:13:28 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:13:28 +0200 Subject: SVG, Anti-Grain and Runtime Revolution In-Reply-To: <1265556650130-1472020.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265391732987-1470563.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B6EC4EB.6040705@gmail.com> <1265556650130-1472020.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B6EE6A8.5090608@gmail.com> On 07/02/2010 17:30, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > New direction is: http://capellan2000.000space.com/ > > Notice that i have not made significant work with svg... > just with Adobe Ilustrator files (vector graphics only > for import and export) and PDF files (vector graphics only > for export only). Code for svg export that i used in one > stack is an adaptation of Richard Gasking's works from > stack mc2svg. > > Richmond, you should follow Malte's recommendation to > use Ian McPhail's stack: SVGL. > This stack (SVGL) implement correctly most > SVG Transformations: scale, translation and rotate. > Other features that i want to see in this stack: > 1) Skew and Matrix Transformations (that > allows all transformations in a single operation). > 2) Support for gradients and transparency > in fills and strokes. > 3) Import Circles and Rounded Rectangles as > Rev Circles and Rounded Rectangles (actual version > of SVGL import both kind of graphics as Polylines) > > Recently, i post a message announcing a new version > of Eps Import. Read this message again: > > Download the stack "Eps Import V05B" from: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TL5QP5WD > > or visit my webpage: > > http://capellan2000.000space.com/ > > in this page look for the stack named: > Eps_Import_V05B.zip > > Notice that this website named 000space does not > allow hotlinking so, if you click in this link to > download the file, you will be redirected to > an error page: > > http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/Eps_Import_V05B.zip > > New in this version: Basic functionality to import ilustrator blends > as gradients. Still pending to create code for some important blend > properties. > > Important caveat: > Your ilustrator gradients should have a name compatible > with the Runrev convention for variable names. > That is, your gradients names in ilustrator should not have any > "ilegal" characters like commas, ampersand (&), etc, etc. > > Ilustrator files exported from Xara, (the tool that i use) does not > have this problem, because gradients are named like "Radial gradient 05" > and "Lineal gradient 12". > > Hopefully, Runrev will integrate soon this functionality of importing blends > to their SVGL importer stack. In fact, svg graphics are better than > ilustrator > graphics because they share many important features with vector graphics > from this platform, like defined geometric shapes (vital to import round > rectangles > and circles), alpha properties for each color inside a fill or stroke and > gradients > applied to stroke lines. > > Alert me in this mail list about any problems with the download links > provided. > > Happy and fruitful 2010 for everyone! > > Alejandro > > > Thanks Alejandro, I really don't need SVG import or export; although it would be very nice. Just started digging around after the start of this thread got me curious . . . :) I will, however, download your stacks and put them in my armoury! From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun Feb 7 11:24:43 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:24:43 -0500 Subject: Create Alias to URL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:14 PM, wrote: >> >> I am using Rev 4.0 on WinXP. The create alias command will work for a file >> or a folder, but not a URL to an internet page. >> If there is no built-in support (yet), what is the best way to script the >> creation of a web link file. Should I just store one in a custom property >> and write it out to a file when I want to create it? On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > > The problem I see with storing one of these as a file in a custom > property then saving it on the filesystem with an updated URL, is that > they seem to contain some UUID. If you list one in a command window > using e.g. more, you will see something like this: > > [InternetShortcut] > URL=http://www.google.co.uk/ > IDList= > IconFile=http://www.google.com/favicon.ico > IconIndex=1 > [{000214A0-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}] > Prop3=19,2 > > Maybe you can just update that URL and the other details won't matter. > I notice that when I pasted the above into Notepad and saved it as a > .url file, that the iconfile being used was an IE icon rather than > Google's favicon. When I clicked the shortcut file, it still opened > in my default browser (which is not IE). Still, that may not be > satisfactory. > > I don't do much Windows scripting, but I suppose it should be possible > to create one of these Web Document shortcuts using VBScript. I did a > quick search for you and found some sample code: > > http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=47&main=1674600&type=thread > > This seems to be the bare minimum: > > set oUrlLink = WshShell.CreateShortcut(strDesktop & "\Microsoft Web Site.url") > oUrlLink.TargetPath = "http://www.yahoo.com" > oUrlLink.Save > > > Bernard Thanks Bernard! This is exactly what I needed. From this info I can arrive at a solution. However, I hope that it will eventually be added to the create alias command in Rev. I will submit an enhancement request if there isn't one already. Roger Eller References: <1265456995818-1471182.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... I'm obviously not communicating this very well. I know these scripts can be improved - but they are designed to compare like for like, and answer which of the two techniques is the most efficient for creating a unique object - in this case a graphic object. The repeat loop is only in these examples to allow for them to be timed as otherwise they would be too fast. The result is that it seems to be a lot faster to create an object and adjust its properties (having locked the screen) - than to use the equivalent template option! There is no need to lock/unlock the srcreen with the template example as there is only one step that draws to screen - "create graphic" On 6 February 2010 11:49, BNig wrote: > > David, > I fully agree with Sarah, but even in your comparison you forgot to set the > lockscreen in the templategraphic example. > try this modification of your script and compare the times > -------------------- > on mouseUp > put the ticks into startTick > set the lockmessages to true > set the lockscreen to true > repeat 100 > set the foregroundcolor of the templategraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the backgroundcolor of the templategraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the style of the templategraphic to "rectangle" > set the linesize of the templategraphic to random (8) > set the opaque of the templategraphic to true > set the loc of the templategraphic to the loc of this cd > > create graphic "Test" > reset templategraphic > end repeat > set the lockscreen to false > put the ticks - startTick > end mouseUp > > function colour_GetRandom > put random(255) into item 1 of someColour > put random(255) into item 2 of someColour > put random(255) into item 3 of someColour > return someColour > end colour_GetRandom > ------------------- > in your script without the templategraphic you lock and unlock the screen > every time around in the repeat loop, without that you get about the same > speed as with the templategraphic > ----------------- > on mouseUp > put the ticks into startTick > set lockmessages to true > lock screen > repeat 100 > create graphic "Test" > put it into createdGraphic > set the foregroundcolor of createdGraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the backgroundcolor of createdGraphic to colour_GetRandom() > set the style of createdGraphic to "rectangle" > set the linesize of createdGraphic to random (8) > set the opaque of createdGraphic to true > set the loc of createdGraphic to the loc of this cd > end repeat > set lockmessages to false > unlock screen > put the ticks - startTick > end mouseUp > > function colour_GetRandom > put random(255) into item 1 of someColour > put random(255) into item 2 of someColour > put random(255) into item 3 of someColour > return someColour > end colour_GetRandom > -------------------------------- > > for both versions it takes about 3 ticks on a MacBook Pro 2.33 > regards > Bernd > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/To-template-or-to-lock-tp1471169p1471182.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sun Feb 7 12:52:13 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:52:13 +0000 Subject: Transparency and video Message-ID: Quick question - I'm looking to have irregularly shaped video with transparent areas - AFAIK this is not supported in Rev's Player object, all though ink effects are I'm not sure how I would use them here. What I can do I think is one of the following: 1. Create a "video stack" with a mask and overlay this on a background stack 2. Use QuartzComposer on OSX and use the player object to play the Quartz Composer file 3. Use a series of stills and flip them to simulate video Any thoughts? From niggemann at uni-wh.de Sun Feb 7 13:23:13 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:23:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: References: <1265456995818-1471182.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265566993499-1472175.post@n4.nabble.com> David, OK, I get it. But funnily if you add a lock screen and unlock screen to the templategraphic repeat loop as in the repeat loop without the the templategraphic you get the same time, templategraphic does not take longer any more. I don't know why since as you said you only have one screen update in the templategraphic routine. Go figure. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/To-template-or-to-lock-tp1471169p1472175.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 13:23:30 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:23:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002050812h3035eb90v7fa6cd4647534bf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B47C1.5080107@ekoinf.net> <7c87a2a11002041849q2c650720gf319dd7da4365ffe@mail.gmail.com> <1265383529737-1470330.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002050812h3035eb90v7fa6cd4647534bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265567010644-1472176.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Andre, Andre Garzia-3 wrote: > > thanks for the heads up on revMedia! Didn't knew about that page. I just > included it and will generate and upload new images shortly. > The version that successfully run on your machine, did you play with Rev > in > it, was it acceptable? > I opened RevStudio, but still have not updated my license. Another developer with a current license could answer this. Post again to the mail list, after you include a version of RevMedia. in CD ISO image. In my previous limited test, new visual effects included in version 4 produce a sudden crash of X-Windows in some computers where i have test RevMedia for Linux. Thanks again for your excellent work! Have a nice weekend. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1472176.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revolution at derbrill.de Sun Feb 7 13:52:41 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:52:41 +0100 Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: <20100131180005.6E7092880E4@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100131180005.6E7092880E4@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20D3663A-5C98-435A-81FF-511D18493794@derbrill.de> Hi, a bit late to the party, but I think I?ll throw in my observations anyway. The locking of the screen is a crucial part of the equotation. What takes the most time (in a standalone application, getting back to this later) is the screen refresh after anything that affects a "visual" property of a control. So if you you set properties without the screen locked, this can take significantly longer than using the template*youNameTheControl*. If the screen is not locked there, it needs to be redrawn for each setting of a property. If the screen is locked the screen will be redrawn only once, as soon as an unlock screen happens, or the handler ends (for the record, adding unlock screen at the end of the handler instead of letting the engine figure it out is slightly faster than letting the engine do it). However, this comparison is not really fair. It gets fair, as soon as you set the properties of the templat*whatEverControl* with a locked screen. If you do that, I could not measure any real difference between the two methods. Now getting back to why I wrote "in a standalone application" earlier. In the IDE you will get a huge speed penaltie for all the IDE messages that are being sent, once a control is created. This is even costier than the screen refresh. So for optimal performance in the IDE I would lock screen, and if possible also lock messages. If you use the template*whatever* then or set properties, is a matter of taste if you go for a one object creation. If you need to create more than one object, then the template has the advantage of being able to producing a few lines less code under some circumstances. Just 2 cents, Malte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 7 14:20:03 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:20:03 -0600 Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: <20D3663A-5C98-435A-81FF-511D18493794@derbrill.de> References: <20100131180005.6E7092880E4@mail.runrev.com> <20D3663A-5C98-435A-81FF-511D18493794@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <4B6F1263.9040805@hyperactivesw.com> Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > If you use the template*whatever* then or set properties, > is a matter of taste if you go for a one object creation. If you need > to create more than one object, then the template has the advantage > of being able to producing a few lines less code under some > circumstances. That's my general rule. If I only need to create one object, I do it line by line in a script. If I need to create more than one with the same properites, I set the template object. It's pretty much the same rule I follow when deciding whether to break out handlers and functions. From david.bovill at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:27:52 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:27:52 +0000 Subject: To template or to lock? In-Reply-To: <20D3663A-5C98-435A-81FF-511D18493794@derbrill.de> References: <20100131180005.6E7092880E4@mail.runrev.com> <20D3663A-5C98-435A-81FF-511D18493794@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Yes - but why does locking the screen nearly double the speed in the case where you set template properties and the only actual step that draws to screen is a single one - create graphic? Locking and unlocking should surely make no difference here? on mouseUp > put the ticks into startTick > set lockmessages to true > repeat 100 > set the style of the templategraphic to "rectangle" > set the linesize of the templategraphic to random (8) > set the opaque of the templategraphic to true > set the loc of the templategraphic to the loc of this cd > > create graphic "Test" > reset templategraphic > end repeat > set lockmessages to false > put the ticks - startTick > end mouseUp > On 7 February 2010 18:52, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Hi, > > a bit late to the party, but I think I?ll throw in my observations anyway. > > The locking of the screen is a crucial part of the equotation. What takes > the most time (in a standalone application, getting back to this later) is > the screen refresh after anything that affects a "visual" property of a > control. So if you you set properties without the screen locked, this can > take significantly longer than using the template*youNameTheControl*. If the > screen is not locked there, it needs to be redrawn for each setting of a > property. If the screen is locked the screen will be redrawn only once, as > soon as an unlock screen happens, or the handler ends (for the record, > adding unlock screen at the end of the handler instead of letting the engine > figure it out is slightly faster than letting the engine do it). However, > this comparison is not really fair. It gets fair, as soon as you set the > properties of the templat*whatEverControl* with a locked screen. If you do > that, I could not measure any real difference between the two methods. Now > getting back to why I wrote "in a standalone application" earlier. In the > IDE you will get a huge speed penaltie for all the IDE messages that are > being sent, once a control is created. This is even costier than the screen > refresh. So for optimal performance in the IDE I would lock screen, and if > possible also lock messages. If you use the template*whatever* then or set > properties, is a matter of taste if you go for a one object creation. If you > need to create more than one object, then the template has the advantage of > being able to producing a few lines less code under some circumstances. > > Just 2 cents, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bvlahos at mac.com Sun Feb 7 15:31:20 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:31:20 -0800 Subject: Formatting answer dialog box text Message-ID: I can figure out how to format the prompt text but not the button choices. This script gives me a nice looking dialog box with the single OK button. on mouseUp answer question "This is header in bold.
This is in italics.
"& \ "

Option A
or
Option B

" end mouseUp How would I add the "with statement" to get two buttons. Without the formatting it would be ...with "Option A" or "Option B" Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Feb 7 15:40:30 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:40:30 +0100 Subject: Formatting answer dialog box text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B6812C8-15FA-485C-9FBB-B1DD09926C80@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bill, The answer and ask dialog boxes use standard buttons. If you want to have special buttons, you need to design your own dialog. Naturally, you could hack the answer and ask dialog stacks, but it is easier to make your own. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk Op 7 feb 2010, om 21:31 heeft Bill Vlahos het volgende geschreven: > I can figure out how to format the prompt text but not the button > choices. > > This script gives me a nice looking dialog box with the single OK > button. > > on mouseUp > answer question "This is header in bold.
This is > in italics.
"& \ > "

Option A
or
Option B

" > end mouseUp > > How would I add the "with statement" to get two buttons. Without the > formatting it would be > ...with "Option A" or "Option B" > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 7 15:44:27 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:44:27 -0600 Subject: Formatting answer dialog box text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6F262B.2070705@hyperactivesw.com> Bill Vlahos wrote: > I can figure out how to format the prompt text but not the button choices. > > This script gives me a nice looking dialog box with the single OK button. > > on mouseUp > answer question "This is header in bold.
This is in italics.
"& \ > "

Option A
or
Option B

" > end mouseUp > > How would I add the "with statement" to get two buttons. Without the formatting it would be > ...with "Option A" or "Option B" Don't include the html formatting in your button choices. Sometimes it is easier to put the prompt into its own variable first: put ""This is header in bold.
This is in italics.
" into tPrompt answer question tPrompt with "Option A" or "Option B" -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Sun Feb 7 15:57:10 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:57:10 -0400 Subject: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic Message-ID: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> OK Andre this is my place (it also doesn't snow here): http://bit.ly/bXygOc Google maps also has it wrong. It doesn't come up in a search by name and there isn't any address at all. The Navteq people who collected the google map data even stayed with us and it still isn't right so what can you do? I think that google stopped using the Navteq data or something and it is affecting their maps. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Paul Looney wrote: > Andre, > Sitting here in my office in San Dimas, California, I can see your house > quite clearly - even the purple tag. > We live in an amazing age! > Paul Looney > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > ... >> In case anyone is wondering where I live or how Brazil actually looks >> like, >> go to >> >> http://bit.ly/aOqkjj >> >> In the center there's a soccer camp, and a tennis court, my house is >> directly in front of the tennis court, you can even see my pool. I put a >> little purple direction thing on top of my house but I don't know if it >> will >> stick. >> >> And of course, google maps gets the address wrong, the address there is >> completelly wrong, I don't live in Jacar? or that street, that address is >> more than 4 KM away from my place. Silly broken geolocation. >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 7 16:03:41 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:03:41 -0600 Subject: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic In-Reply-To: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6F2AAD.8090001@hyperactivesw.com> william humphrey wrote: > OK Andre this is my place (it also doesn't snow here): > > http://bit.ly/bXygOc > > Google maps also has it wrong. It doesn't come up in a search by name and > there isn't any address at all. The Navteq people who collected the google > map data even stayed with us and it still isn't right so what can you do? I > think that google stopped using the Navteq data or something and it is > affecting their maps. I guess I should be grateful that google maps is only half a block off at my house. They have me listed at the neighbor's house, the one with the perpetually baying dog, which is completely wrong. I'm the house with the ear-splitting screeching parrots. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun Feb 7 16:17:26 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:17:26 -0500 Subject: answer warning - no icon in revWeb plugin Message-ID: Is there something special that has to be done to get standard icons to show in the ask/answer dialogs when saved as a revlet? When my app uses "answer warning" or "answer error", I only see the icon in the Rev IDE or a standalone, but not in the web browser (using ie or firefox). Regards, Roger Eller From bvlahos at mac.com Sun Feb 7 16:25:24 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:25:24 -0800 Subject: Formatting answer dialog box text In-Reply-To: <4B6F262B.2070705@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B6F262B.2070705@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <24ECF981-918A-4778-85CB-2C6489FBCC67@mac.com> Perfect. Thank you. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 7, 2010, at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Bill Vlahos wrote: >> I can figure out how to format the prompt text but not the button choices. >> This script gives me a nice looking dialog box with the single OK button. >> on mouseUp >> answer question "This is header in bold.
This is in italics.
"& \ >> "

Option A
or
Option B

" >> end mouseUp >> How would I add the "with statement" to get two buttons. Without the formatting it would be >> ...with "Option A" or "Option B" > > Don't include the html formatting in your button choices. Sometimes it is easier to put the prompt into its own variable first: > > put ""This is header in bold.
This is in italics.
" into tPrompt > answer question tPrompt with "Option A" or "Option B" > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Feb 7 23:14:18 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:14:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Here in San Diego I am marvelling at this strange precipitation from the sky that I hear is called "rain", whatever that is ;-) Judy On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Jim Ault wrote: > and in Vegas it is tennis weather. From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:24:37 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 22:24:37 -0600 Subject: firstIndent doesn't work with dontWrap? Message-ID: <963c86eb1002072024w20f91089xb2503ddabbc4d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Subject pretty much says it all. I'm wondering if this is by design (and if so, why) or a bug that needs submitted? I did a search on the QC and didn't find anything about this. Using Rev Ent. 4.0 (on Mac, in case this does work on Win32). Side note: for the life of me I can't get the focusIn message to trigger for any of my single-line edit fields. Does anyone else have this problem? Is there some special setting/property I need to set? Thanks! Jeff M. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Feb 7 23:25:59 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic In-Reply-To: <4B6F2AAD.8090001@hyperactivesw.com> References: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F2AAD.8090001@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: And they have "Hope Elementary" school (Carlsbad, California, US) where Calavera Hills Elementary and Middle School are, causing us to completely miss our karate demonstration last Friday morning! :-( Judy On Sun, 7 Feb 2010, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I guess I should be grateful that google maps is only half a block off at my > house. They have me listed at the neighbor's house, the one with the > perpetually baying dog, which is completely wrong. I'm the house with the > ear-splitting screeching parrots. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 00:39:05 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:39:05 +1000 Subject: firstIndent doesn't work with dontWrap? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002072024w20f91089xb2503ddabbc4d8ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002072024w20f91089xb2503ddabbc4d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Subject pretty much says it all. I'm wondering if this is by design (and if > so, why) or a bug that needs submitted? I did a search on the QC and didn't > find anything about this. > > Using Rev Ent. 4.0 (on Mac, in case this does work on Win32). Never even knew there was a firstIndent property, but I can confirm that it isn't working with dontWrap turned on. > Side note: for the life of me I can't get the focusIn message to trigger for > any of my single-line edit fields. Does anyone else have this problem? Is > there some special setting/property I need to set? Try using the openField message instead. >From the docs: If the control is an unlocked field or a button whose menuMode is "comboBox", the openField message is sent to it instead of the focusIn message. Cheers, Sarah From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 8 01:41:55 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:41:55 -0600 Subject: firstIndent doesn't work with dontWrap? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002072024w20f91089xb2503ddabbc4d8ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002072024w20f91089xb2503ddabbc4d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6FB233.6070500@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Subject pretty much says it all. I'm wondering if this is by design (and if > so, why) or a bug that needs submitted? I did a search on the QC and didn't > find anything about this. I don't think it's a bug per se. Dontwrap is primarily for use with clickable lists, and firstIndent is for paragraph indentation in blocks of text. If what you're after is a wider left margin in your list, then set the leftMargin property to a bigger number. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bvlahos at mac.com Mon Feb 8 02:00:10 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:00:10 -0800 Subject: ANN: InfoWallet upgraded Message-ID: The new version (1.1.05) of InfoWallet has been released as a free upgrade. New features include: Login Assistant (Mac in this release. Windows next release). Automate logging in to web sites and other programs in as little as 2 or 3 clicks without exposing passwords. Login Assistant easily supports putting individual characters of passwords as some bank web sites now require. Choices in how users evaluate the software. Either 50 days of unlimited entries or 50 entries of unlimited time. This will allow anyone to use the program for free for basic personal medical record keeping. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 02:35:22 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:35:22 +0800 Subject: [WOT] The Prescience of Ian Dury In-Reply-To: <4B6E92CD.3000204@gmail.com> References: <4B6E92CD.3000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > Ian Dury and the Blockheads. > > Wow, now that's a blast from the past. Das ist gute, ce fantastique, Hit me, hit me, hit me. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 8 03:00:47 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 00:00:47 -0800 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Here in San Francisco, it's 50 degrees. As usual. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 7 February 2010 20:14, Judy Perry wrote: > Here in San Diego I am marvelling at this strange precipitation from the > sky that I hear is called "rain", whatever that is ;-) > > Judy > > > On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Jim Ault wrote: > > and in Vegas it is tennis weather. >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 03:58:50 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:58:50 +0200 Subject: [WOT] The Prescience of Ian Dury In-Reply-To: References: <4B6E92CD.3000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6FD24A.7040208@gmail.com> On 08/02/2010 09:35, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson< > richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Ian Dury and the Blockheads. >> >> Wow, now that's a blast from the past. Das ist gute, ce fantastique, Hit >> > me, hit me, hit me. > _______________________________________________ > I got a very good compilation CD of his stuff from Amazon. "It takes longer to get up north; the slow way." From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 04:08:02 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:08:02 +0200 Subject: Anyone else under two feet of snow In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002061701o3bb19210va9a63045d2a44d85@mail.gmail.com> <0EEF81D9-4D2A-4AAD-854F-F29F0803B6D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B6FD472.9080108@gmail.com> On 08/02/2010 10:00, stephen barncard wrote: > Here in San Francisco, it's 50 degrees. As usual. > ------------------------- > Here, in Plovdiv, the temperature has warmed up to 0 degs C / 32 degs Fahrenheit, so we now are having 'MSB' (Massive Snow Build-Up - before you ask) and had to get up at 6 am to shovel a trench from the school to the road, round the front of the house and back to the front door: 42? 8'50.91"N 24?44'40.41"E from Google Earth (screws up on addresses in Bulgarian). Not much sympathy with the Happy San Franciscans . . . :) From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 8 05:31:07 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:31:07 +0000 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux Message-ID: <201002081031.08972.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> I've got Andre's Suse based distribution but have not yet burned to usb and fired up. However, thinking about this, there are some considerations about a reference distro, which could be a very useful possible way out of the Linux issues. Thoughts: 1) it needs to run Rev exactly as the developers expect. So, if revPrintField and multiple desktops are not supported, they should not work on the reference distribution, and the release notes should say so. Or, if they are, the release notes should say so, and they should work on the reference distribution. Rev Browser as well! This is normal quality management procedures, and Rev needs to start this right away. Define the standard and define the tests and give the results. Then we can be certain that if we don't get the same results, its down to our particular installation. 2) The chosen distribution should be reasonably pure. Many of the larger distributions are not. I don't think this is much of a problem in practice for users, but if you are using a reference distro, it should be one that has as few custom mods as possible. It should be one where you can be pretty sure that if a given feature works on this, it will work on anything, because you know its working on a non-customized install. A personal view: this will rule out using many large favorites as your reference distro. From this perspective perhaps the reference distro should be Slackware? That is the least tweaked distribution there is. A Debian stable standard installation would also be a candidate. What you do not want is one where all the configuration files are covered in ##do not edit this file it is generated automatically## It would be nice if its live, but probably not essentiaI. I am tempted to suggest Slax, which is Slackware live, very popular, and very compact, but its probably excessively customized to serve as a reference distribution. The point of a reference distribution is it should be unquestionable that if a feature works on this, it is implemented correctly. Slackware, I think most people would agree, meets this test. This is probably more important than being live. 3) Testing and certification, if thats the word, should be done running on real hardware, not in a virtual machine. It may be interesting that Rev does not work properly in XP running on VirtualBox on a Mac, but establishing that is not a robust way of testing a reference XP installation. Nor is the equivalent for Linux. Nor indeed would we test Rev for OSX on a Hackintosh as a reference installation! So we should not rely on this approach for Linux. The thing is, to prove a feature is implemented correctly, you only need to produce one standard distro on which it works to spec. At the moment we are in a situation where there is no reference, and people can always say, well, it works/does not work for me. And then they have to start talking which release of which version, all of which may well be, most probably is, totally irrelevant. But how do we know? I assume that when Mac or Windows releases are feature tested, it is against some specific version or feature pack. Same thing is needed for Linux. It would save a huge amount of time, speculation and irritation. Peter From revolution at derbrill.de Mon Feb 8 06:10:58 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:10:58 +0100 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux In-Reply-To: <20100201180003.C21D82881DB@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100201180003.C21D82881DB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <751F74D1-2004-4BEF-A866-CED089C89766@derbrill.de> Hey Peter, this is an excellent idea! Of course to make this "official" it would require action by the mothership. But even without that, having a reference distribution where rev works without major flaws would be very empowering, as one could just point ones clients to the reference distro and let *them* figure out, where their setup differs. The slicker the distribution, the better. :-) Obviously, being a life distribution would be a major plus. Have you considered entering this as a feature request into godzilla? All the best, Malte From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon Feb 8 06:27:40 2010 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:27:40 +0100 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution Message-ID: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press reports. The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for individuals. I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime Revolution" might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Now a bit of good news: "Andro", the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has produced a new rubber called "Revolution" and "Revolution Quad" with its varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such ambitious names like "Revolution" that have rather to be understood as an intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already overall perfect and innovative tool. Happily "Butterfly", the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with the legendary English "Barna" rubber (comparable to the "Basic" of programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used Butterfly "Sriver" and "SuperSriver". Now "Butterfly" has presented the new "tenergy" rubber in several varieties that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its "Revolution". (again watch for line breaks in the link). "Tenergy" is now the material of choice among most of the high-level players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon "Revolution", but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of "Revolution", thus preserving at least a chance to survive.- Conclusion: Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the side of the CIA, on the other hand it would preserve the notion of a product that is strong, potentially reliable, and even innovative. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From david.bovill at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 06:52:00 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:52:00 +0000 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: True From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 07:15:45 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:15:45 +0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > Conclusion: > > Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime > Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". > > Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any speed-glues >From where I come from, that just doesn't read right X-| From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 8 07:35:03 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:35:03 -0800 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux Message-ID: <4B7004F7.4070807@fourthworld.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > 1) it needs to run Rev exactly as the developers expect. > > So, if revPrintField and multiple desktops are not supported, they should > not work on the reference distribution, and the release notes should say > so. Or, if they are, the release notes should say so, and they should work > on the reference distribution. Rev Browser as well! revPrintField: What is the nature of the problem with that command on Linux? I searched for those terms in the RQCC and came up empty - what's the RQCC #? I wonder if it's something we may be able to fix ourselves, and deliver the fix to RR. revBrowser: This seems merely a question of resource allocation, but being an external it seems likely something that could be farmed out if there was money available to do so. A couple of us have expressed interest in helping to fund such an effort - any others willing to chip in? I have no idea of the cost, but I'd guess it'd be at least $1k; between myself and my clients we may be able to justify a few hundred, which won't cover it all but if others can come on board with contributions this may well be doable at no cost to RR and therefore no delay to ourselves. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 8 09:12:23 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:12:23 -0200 Subject: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic In-Reply-To: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002080612n1d640ccfxfffede6dd21ff4ac@mail.gmail.com> Willian, You win the best location award, it must be marvelous to live among the nature like that. I hope it is colder than the 120F or 49C that we're having here... Rio is melting. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, william humphrey wrote: > OK Andre this is my place (it also doesn't snow here): > > http://bit.ly/bXygOc > > Google maps also has it wrong. It doesn't come up in a search by name and > there isn't any address at all. The Navteq people who collected the google > map data even stayed with us and it still isn't right so what can you do? I > think that google stopped using the Navteq data or something and it is > affecting their maps. > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Paul Looney wrote: > >> Andre, >> Sitting here in my office in San Dimas, California, I can see your house >> quite clearly - even the purple tag. >> We live in an amazing age! >> Paul Looney >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> ?... >>> In case anyone is wondering where I live or how Brazil actually looks >>> like, >>> go to >>> >>> http://bit.ly/aOqkjj >>> >>> In the center there's a soccer camp, and a tennis court, my house is >>> directly in front of the tennis court, you can even see my pool. I put a >>> little purple direction thing on top of my house but I don't know if it >>> will >>> stick. >>> >>> And of course, google maps gets the address wrong, the address there is >>> completelly wrong, I don't live in Jacar? or that street, that address is >>> more than 4 KM away from my place. Silly broken geolocation. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 8 09:20:46 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:20:46 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002080620k6e4f4efcjdb9cd0f9ad66185@mail.gmail.com> Sarah, Thanks for the kind words. The password is "linux". As I said before, I created this rather quickly, so guess, what, I did not include many gnome tools such as a control panel to set resolution and many other tasks. I am building a new version now with these goodies. The bad part is the exponential growth on the distribution, it now weights about 900MB mostly because those nice GUI tools have a lot of dependencies and I can't uninstall certain big packages because they are dependencies of other packages... Today I will build the new version and will upload some how tos as well. Cheers andre On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So >> far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow >> shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, >> PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails >> yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's >> interest. > > Fascinating Andre. Although I have no current need for this, I > downloaded it out of interest and it works! > I am running it in VirtualBox on my Mac. > > But as a total Linux ignoramus, I have a couple of questions: > - how do I change the screen resolution? I saw an icon that looked > promising, but it said rotation was not supported and then gave an > error. > - what is the root password? I found the system prefs (I think) but > couldn't open them without a password. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 09:43:01 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:43:01 +0000 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux In-Reply-To: <4B7004F7.4070807@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7004F7.4070807@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > revPrintField: ?What is the nature of the problem with that command on > Linux? ?I searched for those terms in the RQCC and came up empty - what's > the RQCC #? ?I wonder if it's something we may be able to fix ourselves, and > deliver the fix to RR. I did find one 'unconfirmed' report from May 2008 on revPrintField that had been submitted by Peter: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6478 Hopefully he can let us know if there is anything else that is not reported. Bernard From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 8 09:55:17 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:55:17 -0200 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B7004F7.4070807@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002080655w67b970ddl642ea07b6b03660e@mail.gmail.com> Folks, I am building VM images, USB Images and LiveCD. It is SuSe based and Gnome based. I would not switch to build in any other distro such as debian or slackware for they do not provide anything like susestudio which is the only way I can use my free time to build a distro for us. SuSe is a mature linux that has been here since forever, not as old as slackware but again, much more friendly. Gnome is the most popular linux desktop, with all the shift of KDE4, it still needs more time to mature and decide on its changes. IceWM, XFCE are all cool and lightweight but we're not building a linux distro, we're build an environment for Rev testing and development that mimics the most common linuces out there and that requires gnome. For example, many new users are ubuntu users and ubuntu comes with gnome. The distro is now twice the size it was since I added some multimedia, network and printing support which requires hundreds of libraries and dependencies. I added those for people want to test their software doing that kind of stuff, if the support is not there then we fail as a linux test and development stuff. The secondary objective of this distro is to push Rev on Linux forward, to get more users testing and demanding fixes. The tertiary objective is to turn more users towards linux, it may not be Mac OS X but it is better than Windows (this is my own linux slogan). The fourth objective is to create a little "RunRev Community Linux" ecosystem and community so that we can give away bottoms and USB live drives on the next conference and gain even more popularity. The fifth objective is unknown at the moment but I am accepting suggestions. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 8 10:10:07 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 07:10:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002080620k6e4f4efcjdb9cd0f9ad66185@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002080620k6e4f4efcjdb9cd0f9ad66185@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265641807617-1473009.post@n4.nabble.com> Andre, if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. They have a build it yourself option, and I bet it could be brought in maybe under 300, using their stuff. And that will include KDE as the DTE, complete with all the tools. It starts out at only 200mb out of the box. Admittedly that is with Konqueror and not Firefox, and KOffice not OpenOffice. But for a Rev demonstrator, why not? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1473009.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 8 10:13:39 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:13:39 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1265641807617-1473009.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002080620k6e4f4efcjdb9cd0f9ad66185@mail.gmail.com> <1265641807617-1473009.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002080713m1f120b2ehad46a9af7d5c1e33@mail.gmail.com> Peter, because it is not a rev demonstrator! :D I don't have any office suite there. But we need firefox or how we will test revlets under linux? The size is big right now but still not prohibitive, I will hunt down the uneeded packages as soon as I get it running and then will start removing them. the build it yourself option of slax, does not comes near susestudio, I can work susestudio while I work other stuff, for example switching to it as some of my downloads comes. It is quite easy to use and web. :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > Andre, if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. ?They have a > build it yourself option, and I bet it could be brought in maybe under 300, > using their stuff. ?And that will include KDE as the DTE, complete with all > the tools. ?It starts out at only 200mb out of the box. ?Admittedly that is > with Konqueror and not Firefox, and KOffice not OpenOffice. ?But for a Rev > demonstrator, why not? > > Peter > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1473009.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 8 10:48:48 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 07:48:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux In-Reply-To: <4B7004F7.4070807@fourthworld.com> References: <201002081031.08972.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <4B7004F7.4070807@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1265644128909-1473046.post@n4.nabble.com> Two problems. First problem is in my Debian install, and here the problem is any sort of printing. Print card, print field, page setup. As a for example, create a field, select it (this is in the IDE) and select Print from the file menu. There seem not to be any printers. But every other application bar none can print, and not only do I have a physical printer configured, I have cupspdf, so I could print to pdf if it could see it or any of the printers that are set up. Second problem was on Mandriva in another install. Here it was able to find the printer, and to print to it, but it truncated the file, and it was impossible to change the settings on the printer, for instance change the orientation or change the percentage zoom, to fit it all in. If I recall correctly, the settings were there, they just had no effect, it came out the same no matter what you put them to. So Method B, which I am still using on the Mandriva install, was to export field to a text file, then go out to shell. In the shell, open awk, then pick the columns and put them in with controlled tabs, then pipe the result into kprinter, and bingo out it comes. OK, I personally don't mind doing it like this. But not many will do it. At the time I posted the bug, or a bit later, someone else had an early copy of one of the new releases and he said that the problem had not been resolved in it. So he could reproduce it. I think it was one of the French members. At the time, I was on Lenny when it was Testing. Then Lenny migrated to Stable, and it was the same thing. Now I am on Squeeze, which is Testing, and its the same thing. But its not just Debian, there is also a problem with Mandriva, a different one, but still a problem with revPrintField. Print card works fine by the way on the Mandriva installation, though the fonts come out a little odd. But its acceptable, and it does print into the area specified, as its supposed to. Finally, there are problems with seeing some fonts. Again, this is just Rev, all other programs see all the fonts. Now, it could be something about both of my installs, who knows? But what would be really nice, and is about the minimum I would demand if I were managing it, is to have some specification of how this stuff is supposed to work. Like, am I supposed to be able to see all the installed fonts from Rev, or just some of them, and if so which some? Am I supposed to be able to do revPrintField and then set the zoom level and page orientation, or is this not supported? Are printers supposed to be visible on all distros, or just some, and if so which? And finally, if I were managing it, I would want to go into Development and have them show me a non-tweaked clean installation and do whatever it is, and show it working. End of argument. I would want Slackware, but if they choose Ubuntu or Suse, OK, as long as there is a reference system of some sort that's a known quantity. Same thing by the way with virtual desktops. Is it supposed to work? Like, on Open Office, you can have the dictionary on one desktop and the program on another. Its very useful if you are doing large complicated spreadsheets, which I no longer do, but back then it was a lifesaver trying to get functions to work. You cannot do this sort of thing with the different windows in Rev. Why not? And are you supposed to be able to? I have no idea on either one. I'm not trying to be difficult about this, almost any clear answer is acceptable, but what what we need is some clear statement on what is supposed to work, how its supposed to work, and a reference system on which it has been seen working. Or what is not supposed to work, and what reference system it has been shown not to work on, that will do too. Clarity! -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Reference-maybe-Live-Distribution-for-Rev-Linux-tp1472761p1473046.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:05:15 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:05:15 +0000 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1265641807617-1473009.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002040900s3e8aa9d2t2ab8b1fb82372305@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002080620k6e4f4efcjdb9cd0f9ad66185@mail.gmail.com> <1265641807617-1473009.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. I don't think 900mb is so big (when one considers that so many distributions come on DVDs). If it really is a download headache, we can always create a torrent and allow multiple people to share in the distribution of the distribution :-) Bernard From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Mon Feb 8 11:31:40 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:31:40 -0400 Subject: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002080612n1d640ccfxfffede6dd21ff4ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002080612n1d640ccfxfffede6dd21ff4ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459b22a91002080831j73ad244xc3fbd9be1168972b@mail.gmail.com> Andre It is always between 72 and 85 degrees F up here in the rainforest. But the humidity is often 100%. I have to store all data on hard drives (music CD's and movie DVD's don't last) and keep them warm. Not complaining. I love it here. Anytime you want to come to our bed and breakfast and stay for free you are welcome ( http://www.rainforestinn.com ). That invitation is, of course, open to all you other RunRev programmers who have many magnitudes of ability greater than I. Bill On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Willian, > > You win the best location award, it must be marvelous to live among > the nature like that. I hope it is colder than the 120F or 49C that > we're having here... Rio is melting. > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 8 11:37:09 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:37:09 -0600 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > > I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I > would renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that > already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime > Revolution" might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and > an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Good thing that the company changed their name to "RunRev", and the product is now called simply "Rev". If you get persecuted about it, just say the company makes accelerator pedals. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 8 11:43:40 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:43:40 -0200 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> Now imagine me... I had a badge last conference saying "Revolution Consultant", it is like a third-party guerrilha for hire or something :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Wilhelm Sanke wrote: >> >> I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I >> would renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that already) >> or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime Revolution" >> might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially >> aggressive kind of revolution.- > > Good thing that the company changed their name to "RunRev", and the product > is now called simply "Rev". If you get persecuted about it, just say the > company makes accelerator pedals. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jim at d-film.com Mon Feb 8 11:45:22 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:45:22 -0500 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmm.... "Che Garzia." Has a familiar ring to it... On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Now imagine me... I had a badge last conference saying "Revolution > Consultant", it is like a third-party guerrilha for hire or something > :D From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:46:39 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:46:39 +0200 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <4B703FEF.6030204@gmail.com> On 08/02/2010 14:15, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sankewrote: > > >> Conclusion: >> >> Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime >> Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". >> >> Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: >> > the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any > speed-glues > > > From where I come from, that just doesn't read right X-| > One of my favourite films when I was about 21 (not any more) was 'Eraserhead'; it took me years to connect the fact that the hero's head was made into pencil rubbers to the title: or, put another way; one man' rubber is another man's __________ (fill in word of choice here). From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon Feb 8 11:57:54 2010 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:57:54 +0100 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution Message-ID: <4B704292.30807@hrz.uni-kassel.de> /Kay C Lan lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com wrote: > /> Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename > "Runtime > > Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". > > > Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: > > the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any > speed-glues/ You are right. I overlooked this part of the text on the Butterfly website. Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. I will write to Butterfly about this. Wilhelm Sanke / From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:58:54 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:58:54 -0500 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> Believe it or not, I was in charge of Security Compliance at SWIFT before I retired 3 years ago and I can promise you that you can sleep comfortably without any worries of the Big Bad US Government spying on your money transactions. First of all, the money has to flow thru SWIFT's network, which means its a bank-to-bank transfer (not things like Visa or cash machine stuff). Secondly, even though I was in charge of security compliance I didn't know anything about the program until it was announced by the NY Times, thats how well controlled and limited it was managed. Thirdly, the process is incredibly controlled. The government has to give specific transactions they want to see (in other words, no fishing expeditions, they have to know what they want to see in advance), they can only see the transactions (no copies) and the whole process is limited to 3 people (a SWIFT representative, an external independent security auditor and the Treasury representative). In the time period that was reported in the news, I think they saw a total of 6 transactions out of the 2+ million sent thru the SWIFT network every day. While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it wasn't what the press made it out to be. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > First the bad news: > > The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that > entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside > the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The > European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the > old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, > however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives > are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the > press reports. > The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has > far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for > individuals. > I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I > would renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that already) > or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime Revolution" > might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially > aggressive kind of revolution.- > > Now a bit of good news: > > "Andro", the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has > produced a new rubber called "Revolution" and "Revolution Quad" with its > varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). > > < > http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tennis-rubber.php?id=andro-revolution-quad-420 > > > > The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the > same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to > resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. > Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the > table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the > expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such > ambitious names like "Revolution" that have rather to be understood as an > intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already > overall perfect and innovative tool. > > Happily "Butterfly", the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of > high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with > the legendary English "Barna" rubber (comparable to the "Basic" of > programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used > Butterfly "Sriver" and "SuperSriver". > Now "Butterfly" has presented the new "tenergy" rubber in several varieties > that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its "Revolution". > > < > http://www.butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?page=rubber_all.asp&type=3&ID=97&pg=1&SortBy=b.image3&displayNum=5&frompg=allrubbers > > > (again watch for line breaks in the link). > > "Tenergy" is now the material of choice among most of the high-level > players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon > "Revolution", but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I > use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even > quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down > the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of "Revolution", thus > preserving at least a chance to survive.- > > Conclusion: > > Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime > Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". > > On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the > side of the CIA, on the other hand it would preserve the notion of a product > that is strong, potentially reliable, and even innovative. > > Best regards, > > Wilhelm Sanke > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 12:01:31 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:01:31 +0200 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: > Hmmm.... > > "Che Garzia." > > Has a familiar ring to it... > Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. -------------------------------------------------------- Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 12:06:55 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:06:55 +0200 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7044AF.3090700@gmail.com> On 08/02/2010 18:58, Neal Campbell wrote: > > > While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security > facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it > wasn't what the press made it out to be. > > And are we to suppose the current administration is really any different? In Britain, every time there is an election the 'out' party criticises all sorts of measures/laws/decrees introduced by the 'in' party. However, if the 'out' party gets 'in' they almost never repeal any of those measures they previously criticised. "No matter who you vote for the government always gets in." Bonzo Dog DooDah Band. From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Mon Feb 8 12:08:18 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:08:18 +0100 Subject: Problems with a standalone for Linux Message-ID: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> Bonjour, I have an app. that I saved as standalones for the three platforms (Mac, Windows and Linux). A first stack is launched which includes the engine and 3 buttons, each of which opens an independant stack (say stack1, stack2 and stack3). The 3 buttons have exactly the same script (on mouseUp, they call a same command "ouvrirCeStack"). They are working well on Mac and Windows ; But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are working normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! How is that possible ?? Another problem with this Linux standalone : On stack1 (which open normally) there is a button "help" which alternatively change the visibile of a field "help" (shows or hides it) Here again works well on Mac and Windows but, with the Linux standalone, my user says that when he clicks on this button the field "help" is shown but is immediately hidden, and the stack is closed!! Any idea, hypothesis, suggestion would be very much appreciated Thanks in advance Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 12:11:45 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:11:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B704292.30807@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <771185.91587.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Explosive rubbers" sound more like a recipe for the underwear bomber. --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon Feb 8 12:14:47 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:14:47 -0600 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler Message-ID: (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrevolt at gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC From bvlahos at mac.com Mon Feb 8 12:18:29 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:18:29 -0800 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrew, Welcome to the Revolution. You almost have it. Set the visible of object to true to make it visible Set the visible of object to false to make it invisible Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrevolt at gmail.com should be ignored > or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) > > Hello, > > I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management > software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for > this software within a week. > > Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large > database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). > > But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. > > I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible > depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a > record, viewing a record). > > I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. > > on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName > set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true > end hideObject > > on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName > set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true > end showObject > > Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your > response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so > much in advance for your replies! > > > Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), > > Andrew K. > RJD Farm LLC > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 8 12:25:08 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:25:08 -0200 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002080925p2e479d94v2352b5874b2d9023@mail.gmail.com> You can always use: show pObjectName and hide pObjectName :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Andrew, > > Welcome to the Revolution. > > You almost have it. > > Set the visible of object to true to make it visible > Set the visible of object to false to make it invisible > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrevolt at gmail.com should be ignored >> or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) >> >> Hello, >> >> I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management >> software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for >> this software within a week. >> >> Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large >> database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). >> >> But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. >> >> I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible >> depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a >> record, viewing a record). >> >> I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. >> >> on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName >> ? set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true >> end hideObject >> >> on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName >> ? set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true >> end showObject >> >> Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your >> response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so >> much in advance for your replies! >> >> >> Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), >> >> Andrew K. >> RJD Farm LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 12:33:06 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:33:06 -0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E6F1DBB-15B9-4045-A35E-12C5A4ADB138@twft.com> That's what they WANT you to think. ;-) But seriously, security breaches happen not by way of the measures in place, but by some breakdown in the same measures. Once the information is there, it is always going to be a temptation for interested parties to get their hands on it. All that said, the situation is no different that it already is everywhere else these days. Besides, if they fear a revolution, they are right where we want them. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: > Thirdly, the process is > incredibly controlled. The government has to give specific transactions they > want to see (in other words, no fishing expeditions, they have to know what > they want to see in advance), they can only see the transactions (no copies) > and the whole process is limited to 3 people (a SWIFT representative, an > external independent security auditor and the Treasury representative). From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 12:34:09 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:34:09 -0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> Message-ID: When they want to imbed it into your right hand or forehead, THAT is the time to run for the hills. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. > > Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport > will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP > with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded > in it. From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 12:35:53 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:35:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <747942.89671.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> To toggle from hidden to visible use: set the visible of fld 1 to not the visible of fld 1 --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > From: Andrew Kluthe > Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:14 AM > (Moderator Note: My previous post > from akrevolt at gmail.com > should be ignored > or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm > very sorry.) > > Hello, > > I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm > management > software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was > developing a module for > this software within a week. > > Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming > a fairly large > database application has really been fun (no sarcasm > intended). > > But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest > problem. > > I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and > invisible > depending on the user-state of the application (updating a > record, adding a > record, viewing a record). > > I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one > liner. > > on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName > ???set the invisible of pObjectType > pObjectName to true > end hideObject > > on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName > ???set the invisible of pObjectType > pObjectName to true > end showObject > > Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? > In your > response, try to include how the params are used in > handlers. Thank you so > much in advance for your replies! > > > Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP > .NET), > > Andrew K. > RJD Farm LLC > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revdev at pdslabs.net Mon Feb 8 12:47:14 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:47:14 -0800 Subject: Andre's house -> Bill's house [OT] In-Reply-To: <459b22a91002080831j73ad244xc3fbd9be1168972b@mail.gmail.com> References: <459b22a91002071257t692be520j6194e036077c52ae@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002080612n1d640ccfxfffede6dd21ff4ac@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a91002080831j73ad244xc3fbd9be1168972b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B704E22.5040401@pdslabs.net> On 2/8/10 8:31 AM, william humphrey wrote: > Andre > > It is always between 72 and 85 degrees F up here in the rainforest. But the > humidity is often 100%. > I have to store all data on hard drives (music CD's and movie DVD's don't > last) and keep them warm. Not complaining. I love it here. Anytime you want > to come to our bed and breakfast and stay for free you are welcome ( > http://www.rainforestinn.com ). That invitation is, of course, open to all > you other RunRev programmers who have many magnitudes of ability greater > than I. > > Bill > WOW! Thanks Bill. So... RevCon 2011 at your place? ;-) -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon Feb 8 12:48:30 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:48:30 -0600 Subject: Option Menu Specifics Message-ID: Hello again! I am having difficulty figuring out how to script some specifics into option menus. My option menu is populated on preOpenCard and everything lists smoothly. When set to view, this card displays a LandOwner's Name in a disabled text field. When the cards status is set to update, it shows a list of names pulled from a table in a mySQL db, in alphabetical order. However, the current record being worked with was loaded on a previous card and the information was put into a set of global variables. gLandOwnerContact (the current record's landowner name). I want the default selection for the option menu to be the same as gLandOwnerContact. But when clicked, I still want it to display a full list of the names. I am just beginning in Revolution. I have modified column and row behaviors in DataGrids (to change cards on doubleUp), but never overridden any other controls functionality. I am thinking this is what is going to take to implement the above. Can someone point me on the right path or help me hash out the appropriate logic for this? Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 12:56:54 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:56:54 -0800 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are two ways to make a variable visible to a command or function. First, you can declare the variable as a global or script local. A global variable is one that is available to any handler that declares it, or optionally, to any script that declares it outside any handlers: on doSomething global myValue end doSomething on doSomethingElse global myValue end doSomethingElse The second way is to pass the value to the command or function: on doAnotherthing myValue -- some commands end doAnotherthing The globals or script locals are persistent while Revolution is running. The parameter is NOT persistent, in that as soon as doAnotherThing terminates, myValue is destroyed. You could make it a function: function doYetAnotherThing myValue -- do things that change myValue return myValue end doYetAnotherThing and then preserve myValue by putting the result of the function back into myValue: put doYetAnotherThing(myValue) into myValue Seems silly, but there you have it. The better way to do this without using a function is by declaring the parameter using the @ keyword (keychar??): on doOneLastThing @myValue -- some commands that change myValue end doOneLastThing in which case myValue will not be destroyed when doOneLastThing terminates, because the command was passed to the function as a variable and not the value. The calling program will see the change in myValue. That about sums it up. Globals and Script Locals are for persistence while Revolution is running. They are visible to whatever declares then, including ALL handlers in a script that declares it outside of any handler like so: local myValue -- or global if you want it to be visible by ALL handlers -- in ALL scripts in your stack or application on okayThisLastThing -- do something to the most used variable ever end okayThisLastThing Parameters are for passing values that get destroyed when the command or function terminates. Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your > response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so > much in advance for your replies! From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon Feb 8 12:57:59 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:57:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002080925p2e479d94v2352b5874b2d9023@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002080925p2e479d94v2352b5874b2d9023@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265651879871-1473253.post@n4.nabble.com> I am going to try this more elegant approach. I knew I should have dictionaried hide when it came up as yellow in my script editor. Thank you for your speedy help! -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Generic-Invisibility-Handler-tp1473182p1473253.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 13:00:37 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:00:37 -0800 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <132249691453.20100208100037@ahsoftware.net> Andrew- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:14:47 AM, you wrote: > I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. > on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName > set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true > end hideObject > on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName > set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true > end showObject In addition to the other suggestions offered, I'd also like to add that if you're dealing with screen objects (buttons, fields, etc) then you probably don't need the pObjectType argument: on ShowHideObject pObjectName, pVisible set the visible of control pObjectName to pVisible end ShowHideObject -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 13:03:58 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:03:58 -0800 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99249892218.20100208100358@ahsoftware.net> Andrew- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:14:47 AM, you wrote: > I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management > software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for > this software within a week. ...and having done some farm management software in rev before, I'm of course quite interested in your project. Do keep us in the loop. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 13:04:42 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:04:42 -0800 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you need to use a combination of FindIndex and dgHilitedIndex like so: dispatch "findIndex" to group "myDataGrid" with "myColumnName", "mySearchString" put the result into myValue set the dgHilitedIndex of group "myDataGrid" to myValue Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Hello again! > > I am having difficulty figuring out how to script some specifics into option > menus. > > My option menu is populated on preOpenCard and everything lists smoothly. > When set to view, this card displays a LandOwner's Name in a disabled text > field. When the cards status is set to update, it shows a list of names > pulled from a table in a mySQL db, in alphabetical order. > > However, the current record being worked with was loaded on a previous card > and the information was put into a set of global variables. > gLandOwnerContact (the current record's landowner name). > > I want the default selection for the option menu to be the same as > gLandOwnerContact. But when clicked, I still want it to display a full list > of the names. > > I am just beginning in Revolution. I have modified column and row behaviors > in DataGrids (to change cards on doubleUp), but never overridden any other > controls functionality. I am thinking this is what is going to take to > implement the above. Can someone point me on the right path or help me hash > out the appropriate logic for this? > > Any and all help is greatly appreciated. > > > Andrew K. > RJD Farm LLC > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon Feb 8 13:16:35 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: <99249892218.20100208100358@ahsoftware.net> References: <99249892218.20100208100358@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1265652995408-1473290.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks Mark! This list is so helpful! I don't know why I didn't use it before when trying to guess revTalk code and searching through the forums. We are a grain farm company in central Illinois and my predecessor built a farm management app in ASP .NET using Ironspeed Developer. Maintaining his code and adding additional functionality has been a nightmare, so when challenged by my supervisor to explore writing Iphone apps I came across RunRev. So far in a matter of days, I have just about wrote a client app for the Lease Management part of our current web app. I am very impressed with revolutions capabilities for quick development. We intend to use this software for managing leases on land and machinery, putting out/tracking work orders in the field, asset management, FSA material management, Inventory, Repair orders, Loan payments, etc. I am beginning a complete rewrite of our current web app into Rev. A daunting task at the moment, but somehow easier than I imagined (the already heavily populated database does most of the work). This is my second full week developing in Rev. The first week was spent writing database handlers. This week I am going to figure out how to manipulate alot of the controls I need via scripting. I am troubled by the lack of books out there on the subject, and am looking to increase my skill set as quickly as possible. Thank you all for your speedy responses. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Generic-Invisibility-Handler-tp1473182p1473290.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon Feb 8 13:26:11 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:26:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> Sorry for not clarifying. I am not trying to work within a datagrid this time. I do not understand how to modify the behaviors of controls other than the datagrid. There isn't a button in the property inspector for modifying behaviors of an option menu. I have read the lessons on behaviors and am still lacking a real understanding of where to find the code for handling the functionality of the option menu. here is the logic which I had in mind. Load gLandownerContact into the text of "optionMenu" on optionMenu's MouseUp (down, whatev), Load a the full list from DB. Alternatively, Being able to modify the choices of the option menu to place the current gLandOwnerContact at the top of the list would solve my problem as well. load a full list from the DB put CurrentChoice (= gLandOwnerContact) at the top of choice list, or at least the default seclected option. Whichever solution is easier or more robust would suit me. Although, I would like to learn about the behavior override thing. The lessons seemed too vague to me. http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/tags?tag=Behavior -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Option-Menu-Specifics-tp1473235p1473299.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 13:26:27 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:26:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <807196.36996.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Andrew, screw the elegence. Try this: Make 3 flds: fld "uno" -- just to test visibility fld "dos" -- just to test visibility ----------------------- fld "visibility" In fld "visibility" put the following text: This is fld "visibility" ------------------------------------ record_update, show fld "uno" record_update, show fld "dos" ------------------------------------- record_change, hide fld "uno" record_change, hide fld "dos" --------------------------------------- --- finished with fld "visibility" --------------------------------------- This fld holds your list of all the actions that will trigger some visibility change -- this is a handy item to have around anyway, and easy to change. Now for a couple of btns: btn record_update has the following script: on mouseUp put fld "visibility" into v filter v with "*update*" -- chooses all the update lines set the itemDelimiter to comma repeat for each line cur_line in v do item 2 of cur_line -- performs the show or the hide end repeat end mouseUp btn record_change has the following script: on mouseUp put fld "visibility" into v filter v with "*change*" set the itemDelimiter to comma repeat for each line cur_line in v do item 2 of cur_line end repeat end mouseUp ------ when an update or a change occurs then send a mouseUp to the correct btn ------- Now you have a nice list of actions that you can change easily. You also have some btns to click on to simulate a record_change or a record_update. When everything is working o.k. you can hide the btns and the fld. Just as a warning. I'm probably the worst programmer who frequents this forum. So you might want to heed the experts. Good luck on your project. I checked out your website and it looks great. Mike --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > From: Andrew Kluthe > Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:14 AM > (Moderator Note: My previous post > from akrevolt at gmail.com > should be ignored > or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm > very sorry.) > > Hello, > > I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm > management > software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was > developing a module for > this software within a week. > > Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming > a fairly large > database application has really been fun (no sarcasm > intended). > > But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest > problem. > > I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and > invisible > depending on the user-state of the application (updating a > record, adding a > record, viewing a record). > > I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one > liner. > > on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName > ???set the invisible of pObjectType > pObjectName to true > end hideObject > > on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName > ???set the invisible of pObjectType > pObjectName to true > end showObject > > Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? > In your > response, try to include how the params are used in > handlers. Thank you so > much in advance for your replies! > > > Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP > .NET), > > Andrew K. > RJD Farm LLC > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:26:44 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: Thanks for this heads-up, Wilhelm, as our government typically doesn't inform us as to its evil deeds :-( Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > First the bad news: > > The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that > entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside > the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European > Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law > (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, > might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are > presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press > reports. > The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has > far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for > individuals. > I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would > renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that already) or buy > some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime Revolution" might be > even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive > kind of revolution.- > > Now a bit of good news: > > "Andro", the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has produced > a new rubber called "Revolution" and "Revolution Quad" with its varieties > 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). > > > > The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the same > time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to > resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. > Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the > table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the > expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such > ambitious names like "Revolution" that have rather to be understood as an > intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already overall > perfect and innovative tool. > > Happily "Butterfly", the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of > high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with > the legendary English "Barna" rubber (comparable to the "Basic" of > programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used > Butterfly "Sriver" and "SuperSriver". > Now "Butterfly" has presented the new "tenergy" rubber in several varieties > that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its "Revolution". > > > (again watch for line breaks in the link). > > "Tenergy" is now the material of choice among most of the high-level players > in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon "Revolution", but use > it on the backhand side of my second racket which I use when I encounter an > opponent in our team-sport series who is even quicker and more offensive in > his play than myself - by then slowing down the tempo of the match with a > thinner layer of "Revolution", thus preserving at least a chance to > survive.- > > Conclusion: > > Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime > Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". > > On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the > side of the CIA, on the other hand it would preserve the notion of a product > that is strong, potentially reliable, and even innovative. > > Best regards, > > Wilhelm Sanke > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:29:43 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: Wilhelm, Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... In appreciation, Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > First the bad news: > > The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that > entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside > the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European > Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law > (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, > might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are > presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press > reports. > The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has > far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for > individuals. > I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would > renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that already) or buy > some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime Revolution" might be > even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive > kind of revolution.- From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:34:21 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:34:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: How about "apple-pie and puppy dog development for the rest of us"? Oh,... right... "the rest of us" is probably subsersive-speak as far as the CIA is concerned :-/ Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > >> Conclusion: >> >> Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime >> Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". >> >> Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: > > the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any > speed-glues > >> From where I come from, that just doesn't read right X-| > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:38:39 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you really miss the part in which it was recently revealed that the FBI obtained, in contravention to US law, telco information on people by simply posting POST-IT NOTES ON TELCO WORKERS WORKSTATIONS?!!! I am SOOOO not exaggerating. :-( Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Neal Campbell wrote: > Believe it or not, I was in charge of Security Compliance at SWIFT before I > retired 3 years ago and I can promise you that you can sleep comfortably > without any worries of the Big Bad US Government spying on your money > transactions. > > First of all, the money has to flow thru SWIFT's network, which means its a > bank-to-bank transfer (not things like Visa or cash machine stuff). > Secondly, even though I was in charge of security compliance I didn't know > anything about the program until it was announced by the NY Times, thats how > well controlled and limited it was managed. Thirdly, the process is > incredibly controlled. The government has to give specific transactions they > want to see (in other words, no fishing expeditions, they have to know what > they want to see in advance), they can only see the transactions (no copies) > and the whole process is limited to 3 people (a SWIFT representative, an > external independent security auditor and the Treasury representative). > > In the time period that was reported in the news, I think they saw a total > of 6 transactions out of the 2+ million sent thru the SWIFT network every > day. > > While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security > facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it > wasn't what the press made it out to be. > > 73 > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > >> First the bad news: >> >> The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that >> entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside >> the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The >> European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the >> old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, >> however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives >> are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the >> press reports. >> The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has >> far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for >> individuals. >> I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I >> would renew my license for "Revolution" (happily I have done that already) >> or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. "Runtime Revolution" >> might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially >> aggressive kind of revolution.- >> >> Now a bit of good news: >> >> "Andro", the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has >> produced a new rubber called "Revolution" and "Revolution Quad" with its >> varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). >> >> < >> http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tennis-rubber.php?id=andro-revolution-quad-420 >>> >> >> The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the >> same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to >> resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. >> Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the >> table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the >> expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such >> ambitious names like "Revolution" that have rather to be understood as an >> intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already >> overall perfect and innovative tool. >> >> Happily "Butterfly", the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of >> high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with >> the legendary English "Barna" rubber (comparable to the "Basic" of >> programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used >> Butterfly "Sriver" and "SuperSriver". >> Now "Butterfly" has presented the new "tenergy" rubber in several varieties >> that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its "Revolution". >> >> < >> http://www.butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?page=rubber_all.asp&type=3&ID=97&pg=1&SortBy=b.image3&displayNum=5&frompg=allrubbers >>> >> (again watch for line breaks in the link). >> >> "Tenergy" is now the material of choice among most of the high-level >> players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon >> "Revolution", but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I >> use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even >> quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down >> the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of "Revolution", thus >> preserving at least a chance to survive.- >> >> Conclusion: >> >> Following the example of "Butterfly", I would recommend to rename "Runtime >> Revolution" to "Runtime T-Energy". >> >> On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the >> side of the CIA, on the other hand it would preserve the notion of a product >> that is strong, potentially reliable, and even innovative. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Wilhelm Sanke >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 8 13:39:10 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:39:10 +0100 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <9C9B5F46-5B71-44CF-9732-030FFED9DE42@economy-x-talk.com> Judy, http://qurl.tk/4k (but I believe that this is a cheesy subject and cheese is not to be discussed) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk Op 8 feb 2010, om 19:29 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven: > Wilhelm, > > Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... > > In appreciation, > > Judy From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:43:12 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: >> Hmmm.... >> >> "Che Garzia." >> >> Has a familiar ring to it... >> > > Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. > > Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport > will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP > with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded > in it. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips > in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:44:56 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:44:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <771185.91587.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <771185.91587.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Damn! Stop trying to circumvent the Darwin Awards!! Don't give them any ideas :-P Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Michael Kann wrote: > "Explosive rubbers" sound more like a recipe for the underwear bomber. > > --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > > Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:46:19 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002080925p2e479d94v2352b5874b2d9023@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002080925p2e479d94v2352b5874b2d9023@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Which, at least as of 5 or 6 years ago, I was assured did NOT work in Lingo/Director :-P Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Andre Garzia wrote: > You can always use: > > show pObjectName > > and > > hide pObjectName > > :D > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: >> Andrew, >> >> Welcome to the Revolution. >> >> You almost have it. >> >> Set the visible of object to true to make it visible >> Set the visible of object to false to make it invisible >> >> Bill Vlahos >> _________________ >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. >> >> On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> >>> (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrevolt at gmail.com should be ignored >>> or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management >>> software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for >>> this software within a week. >>> >>> Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large >>> database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). >>> >>> But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. >>> >>> I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible >>> depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a >>> record, viewing a record). >>> >>> I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. >>> >>> on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName >>> ? set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true >>> end hideObject >>> >>> on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName >>> ? set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true >>> end showObject >>> >>> Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your >>> response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so >>> much in advance for your replies! >>> >>> >>> Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), >>> >>> Andrew K. >>> RJD Farm LLC >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:47:31 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:47:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm already running... that crap is coming, believe it. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: > When they want to imbed it into your right hand or forehead, THAT is the time to run for the hills. :-) > > Bob > > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. >> >> Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport >> will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP >> with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded >> in it. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 13:49:00 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:49:00 -0800 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9252593750.20100208104900@ahsoftware.net> Andrew- Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:26:11 AM, you wrote: > here is the logic which I had in mind. > Load gLandownerContact into the text of "optionMenu" > on optionMenu's MouseUp (down, whatev), > Load a the full list from DB. you might try something like put lineOffset(gLandOwnerContact, tFullList) into tIndex put tFullList into button "btnOptionMenu" lock messages -- don't trigger the menuPick event yet set the menuHistory of button "btnOptionMenu" to tIndex unlock messages -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 13:51:07 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:51:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <9C9B5F46-5B71-44CF-9732-030FFED9DE42@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <9C9B5F46-5B71-44CF-9732-030FFED9DE42@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Mark, I saw no mention of cheese... it would be an indignity to the cheese. I would apologize to the cheese. All hail the cheese. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Judy, > > http://qurl.tk/4k > > (but I believe that this is a cheesy subject and cheese is not to be > discussed) > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk > > Op 8 feb 2010, om 19:29 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven: > >> Wilhelm, >> >> Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... >> >> In appreciation, >> >> Judy > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:52:14 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:52:14 +0000 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: <1265652995408-1473290.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <99249892218.20100208100358@ahsoftware.net> <1265652995408-1473290.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I am troubled by the lack of books out there on the subject, and am looking > to increase my skill set as quickly as possible. ?Thank you all for your > speedy responses. Andrew, I think maybe you have not realised that there is a 400 page User Manual included with your installation as a PDF file. From the IDE top menu choose 'Resource Center'. Once that is launched choose 'User Guide' from the left menu of that stack. After that click on the 'Launch PDF' button in the bottom right hand corner. I would think that is the first place to start learning Rev. When I first started out with Revolution I bought a couple of old books on Hypercard (the precursor of Rev). I wouldn't think they provide any benefit these days, and would be almost impossible to find anyway. So, don't let it worry you that there are no 3rd party books on Rev. I'd say that they're not needed and the old books are probably as much of a hindrance as a help. When I started out learning Apple's WebObjects I bought every single book on it, and even after reading them all multiple times, it was only after years of working with it that I finally grasped how to properly use it all. I could say the same for many other technologies, where often it's necessary to have a 800 page book just to find out how to use the IDE (I'm looking at you, Eclipse). In addition to the User Guide, it may also pay dividends to buy the DVD of the 2009 conference: https://secure.runrev.com/store/browse/?product=RVSLRVLV09DVD I haven't seen the above myself yet, so I can't verify that the audio-visual quality is suitable for learning details. Until we hear about the quality of the DVDs from someone else, you could browse the newsletter archive: http://www.runrev.com/developers/resources/newsletters/ I've learned things from those newsletters that I would never have dreamed were possible. You might also want to look at the scripting conferences: http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/online-scripting-conferences/ Those conferences were the inspiration and hard work of some of the gifted people who provide us with help on this list and in the forum. You've already discovered the forum, and this list. When I started out with Rev 8 years ago, we had none of the above, just this list! And of course, there is the Nabble archive of this list. I find that with most things I can find the answer a) in the dictionary or b) by searching this list. I think there are many, many great resources for learning Rev. I might carp on about some deficiencies in Rev myself, but I have to applaud the efforts RunRev have gone to when it comes to providing information and training material. Hope that helps you beyond this immediate problem that everyone else is helping you with. Bernard From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:55:41 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:55:41 -0500 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible things you would have a "real" chip in your passport. This stuff is like squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes thru SWIFT. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have > the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather > enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. > > Judy > > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: >> >>> Hmmm.... >>> >>> "Che Garzia." >>> >>> Has a familiar ring to it... >>> >>> >> Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. >> >> Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport >> will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP >> with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded >> in it. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips >> in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:56:18 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:56:18 +0000 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality Message-ID: I recommended the DVDs to a new user on this list. However, I don't really know about the AV quality of the recorded conference. I remember that one of the previous conferences had imperfect AV quality (I think it was illegibility of the recording of the code on the OHP that was the problem). Are code samples in the 2009 conference legible? How about the audio (the Q&A session is usually the point where that fails in such recordings). Thanks, Bernard From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 14:02:45 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:02:45 -0800 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> Bernard- Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:56:18 AM, you wrote: > Are code samples in the 2009 conference legible? How about the audio > (the Q&A session is usually the point where that fails in such > recordings). Dunno. Still waiting on mine. Maybe they didn't get the US-approved biometric chips to let them in the country... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Feb 8 14:05:36 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:05:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I stand corrected then, tho' I think they were the first to actually implement it (damn, gotta get a passport just in case I need to leave the country suddenly in the middle of the night; god only knows that I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT kidding). Why am I not surprised? Here's a funny (not) story about biometrics and security that I used to have my students read: Some rich dude here in the US bought a Mercedes that used biometric data to unlock the vehicle. Pretty smart, eh? Yeah, well, that just breeds smarter criminals who, in deciding to carjack that particular vehicle, simply cut off the verification digit of the car's owner. Welcome to Security Theatre. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Neal Campbell wrote: > Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was > years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured > out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible > things you would have a "real" chip in your passport. This stuff is like > squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different > one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes > thru SWIFT. > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > >> The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have >> the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather >> enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. >> >> Judy >> >> >> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> >> On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm.... >>>> >>>> "Che Garzia." >>>> >>>> Has a familiar ring to it... >>>> >>>> >>> Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. >>> >>> Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport >>> will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP >>> with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded >>> in it. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips >>> in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 8 14:06:46 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:06:46 -0600 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B7060C6.6060707@hyperactivesw.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Sorry for not clarifying. I am not trying to work within a datagrid this > time. I do not understand how to modify the behaviors of controls other than > the datagrid. There isn't a button in the property inspector for modifying > behaviors of an option menu. > > I have read the lessons on behaviors and am still lacking a real > understanding of where to find the code for handling the functionality of > the option menu. > > here is the logic which I had in mind. > > Load gLandownerContact into the text of "optionMenu" > on optionMenu's MouseUp (down, whatev), > Load a the full list from DB. Use Mark Weider's suggestion, it will work fine. I just wanted to mention that for a single button instance like this, you don't need behaviors at all. Behaviors are great when you have a number of controls that need to share a single script, but if you only have one button it is more efficient to have it just use its own script. One basic concept that may help: buttons are containers and they can hold text. If the button is a menu button (as option buttons are) then the text becomes the menu item list. You can populate a button menu simply by putting text into the button, like this: put "one" &cr& "two" &cr& "three" into btn "myOptionButton" This creates a 3-line list, which when put into the button, will pop down those three lines in its menu. Everything else you want to do is just manipulation of the text before you put it into the button contents. If you want a particular line on top, parse your text so it is in the right order. But more typically, Mark's suggestion is the right one. Use the menuHistory property to set the line that will be under the cursor when the button menu displays. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From robert at rman.on-rev.com Mon Feb 8 14:33:06 2010 From: robert at rman.on-rev.com (Robert Man) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:33:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> I wondered : has anybody received a mail from runrev warning about DVD being ready and sent?? Or is it just a matter of waiting until postman delivers the good?? Hi from France. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/2009-conference-DVD-audio-visual-quality-tp1473352p1473410.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:40:40 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:40:40 +0200 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B7068B8.4060303@gmail.com> I think that at the moment a certain company is behaving a bit badly . . . From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon Feb 8 14:50:15 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: <4B7060C6.6060707@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B7060C6.6060707@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1265658615336-1473428.post@n4.nabble.com> Between Mark and J's post, I got everything I needed to know. I need to explore string manipulation in rev. I figured that this is where my sorting of these lists would be most handy. Thank you Mark for that wonderful snippet. As a PHP and .NET developer, I am just getting used to Rev and trying to get over the learning curve. You have been much help. Armed with a few more learning resources than I had prior to these posts, I hopefully won't have to bother you with silly things like this. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Option-Menu-Specifics-tp1473235p1473428.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 8 15:04:04 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:04:04 -0600 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> Robert Man wrote: > I wondered : has anybody received a mail from runrev warning about DVD being > ready and sent?? Or is it just a matter of waiting until postman delivers > the good?? Hi from France. I think they send an email when it ships. At least, the person I know in California who got theirs received an email. I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a month now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 15:05:23 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:05:23 -0600 Subject: DataGrid question Message-ID: <963c86eb1002081205q437080a3l34c8abde171c5135@mail.gmail.com> I have a DataGrid form where each row acts like a kind of folder. When you click on the row, it expands out to show everything that's underneath it. This works pretty well so far, but I have a basic problem with the scrollbar that I'm hoping is trivial to solve: In the "layoutControl" message is where I either expand or contract the final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to understand this. Let's say I have only 1 "folder" with a large list of items under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG is still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. Any ideas? Thanks! Jeff M. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 8 15:06:39 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:06:39 -0600 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: <1265658615336-1473428.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B7060C6.6060707@hyperactivesw.com> <1265658615336-1473428.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B706ECF.9020400@hyperactivesw.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > As a PHP and .NET developer, I am just getting used to Rev and trying to get > over the learning curve. You have been much help. Armed with a few more > learning resources than I had prior to these posts, I hopefully won't have > to bother you with silly things like this. I've said it before and I'll say it again: please bother us! Any question asked here will help everybody who searches the archives in the future. Let's get everything we can in there. Nothing is too elementary or too basic. As a matter of fact, I think our archives are sadly lacking a lot of the rudimentary info that newcomers are too embarrassed to ask about. So you do it. :) Bother away! -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 15:09:28 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:09:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <656995.44338.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE --- On Mon, 2/8/10, J. Landman Gay wrote: > From: J. Landman Gay > Subject: Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 2:04 PM > Robert Man wrote: > > I wondered : has anybody received a mail from runrev > warning about DVD being > > ready and sent?? Or is it just a matter of waiting > until postman delivers > > the good?? Hi from France. > > I think they send an email when it ships. At least, the > person I know in California who got theirs received an > email. > > I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of > RunRev's hands, the distribution company has had the masters > and has been shipping for a month now. > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ? > ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software? ? ? ? > ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 8 15:23:08 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:23:08 -0500 Subject: DataGrid question In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002081205q437080a3l34c8abde171c5135@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002081205q437080a3l34c8abde171c5135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > In the "layoutControl" message is where I either expand or contract > the > final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem > to > understand this. Let's say I have only 1 "folder" with a large list > of items > under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set > to > something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the > DG is > still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. Do you have the "fixed control height" property set to false? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From josh at dvcreators.net Mon Feb 8 15:24:12 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:24:12 -0800 Subject: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process? Message-ID: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> We have been experimenting with many combinations of syntax variants for "open process"/"read from process" to communicate with various command-line driven executables. We are using a callback loop to read from process, and have tried from 1 to 800 milliseconds to try and speed up response. We have tried read from process until lf, until cr, until eof, until empty, etc. Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the "read from process". Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. So, I am wondering: 1. Is there something we could do to eliminate this delay, some syntax we haven't yet tried? 2. Have other developers noticed this latency in the Rev I/O pipeline? 3. Would writing an Rev external that served as a middleman between Rev and a command-line driven executable eliminate this problem and provide near real time communication? 4. Is there another way to communicate with command-line driven executables (other than "shell", which doesn't provide for a callback loop to monitor output) Thanks for any light anyone can shed on this. From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 15:29:36 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:29:36 -0600 Subject: DataGrid question In-Reply-To: References: <963c86eb1002081205q437080a3l34c8abde171c5135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002081229x272c1b1bjccd49425ea3a13ec@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > > In the "layoutControl" message is where I either expand or contract the >> final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to >> understand this. Let's say I have only 1 "folder" with a large list of >> items >> under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to >> something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG is >> still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. >> > > Do you have the "fixed control height" property set to false? > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: > http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 15:46:56 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:46:56 -0600 Subject: DataGrid question In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002081229x272c1b1bjccd49425ea3a13ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002081205q437080a3l34c8abde171c5135@mail.gmail.com> <963c86eb1002081229x272c1b1bjccd49425ea3a13ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002081246g7ee3ee88y656f5201709cc9fe@mail.gmail.com> Trevor, if you'd like, I can send you a bare-bones sample app that shows the exact same behavior. Note: the items within the "folder" to expand out and are visible just fine. Just the DG scrollbar acts as thought they aren't visible and all folders are closed. Jeff M. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: >> >> In the "layoutControl" message is where I either expand or contract the >>> final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to >>> understand this. Let's say I have only 1 "folder" with a large list of >>> items >>> under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to >>> something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG >>> is >>> still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. >>> >> >> Do you have the "fixed control height" property set to false? >> >> -- >> Trevor DeVore >> Blue Mango Learning Systems >> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com >> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: >> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 16:07:52 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:07:52 -0800 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <177260926093.20100208130752@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:04:04 PM, you wrote: > I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, > the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a > month now. I ordered a prerelease CD from a certain British band a few months ago and the release go delayed several times because of problems with the Czech manufacturing plant. I got four or five apologetic emails from the band during the process, so I knew what was up and wasn't worried about it. (The cd, "Djin" by Queenadreena, was quite worth the wait...) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 16:11:54 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:11:54 -0800 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: <4B706ECF.9020400@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B7060C6.6060707@hyperactivesw.com> <1265658615336-1473428.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B706ECF.9020400@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <100261168484.20100208131154@ahsoftware.net> > Bother away! Indeed! I'll also add that I think this list is the best resource there is for getting rev information. The archives are available at gmane and nabble and a few other places and searchable with the right tools. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From edljr at mac.com Mon Feb 8 16:11:42 2010 From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:11:42 -0600 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <177260926093.20100208130752@ahsoftware.net> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> <177260926093.20100208130752@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <94F55CC8-15E0-4FB2-95DD-2958673ADE6B@mac.com> I think someone executed the following command in the message box: set the vis of obj dvdSet2009 to false They have not made it to the US Mid-South yet. Ed On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:04:04 PM, you wrote: > >> I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's >> hands, >> the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping >> for a >> month now. > > I ordered a prerelease CD from a certain British band a few months ago > and the release go delayed several times because of problems with the > Czech manufacturing plant. I got four or five apologetic emails from > the band during the process, so I knew what was up and wasn't worried > about it. > > (The cd, "Djin" by Queenadreena, was quite worth the wait...) > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:15:59 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:15:59 -0600 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <94F55CC8-15E0-4FB2-95DD-2958673ADE6B@mac.com> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> <177260926093.20100208130752@ahsoftware.net> <94F55CC8-15E0-4FB2-95DD-2958673ADE6B@mac.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002081315s5940392fh194644ccfb16b455@mail.gmail.com> I haven't been following this thread, but just thought I'd note: I'm in Austin, TX and received mine several weeks ago (still haven't opened it yet). Jeff M. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote: > I think someone executed the following command in the message box: > > set the vis of obj dvdSet2009 to false > > They have not made it to the US Mid-South yet. > > Ed > > > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Jacque- >> >> Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:04:04 PM, you wrote: >> >> I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, >>> the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a >>> month now. >>> >> >> I ordered a prerelease CD from a certain British band a few months ago >> and the release go delayed several times because of problems with the >> Czech manufacturing plant. I got four or five apologetic emails from >> the band during the process, so I knew what was up and wasn't worried >> about it. >> >> (The cd, "Djin" by Queenadreena, was quite worth the wait...) >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rjearp at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:18:26 2010 From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:18:26 -0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution Message-ID: Judy, if you haven't seen it take a look at the BBC series "The Last Enemy". It was on PBS under their Masterpiece Classic program, but you can see all about it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/lastenemy/welcome.shtmlI think it was produced around the time national identity cards were being considered in the UK, and is another one of those great British conspiracy series.If you like such things, there's also the classic House of Cards trilogy which is really a modern day Macbeth in both plot and acting. Brilliant !! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098825/usercommentsbest, Bob...~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert J. Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.White Rock, BC. Canada _________________________________________________________________ From rjearp at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:27:18 2010 From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:27:18 -0800 Subject: Completely OT - Winter Olympic events link Message-ID: If any of you are coming to my great province for the winter olympics, you may like to bookmark this link which is getting 5 stars. http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=109677566226637280175.00047d77960b85a1c664d&source=embed&ll=49.288187,-123.115883&spn=0.06886,0.151749 You'll have to scroll a way north to see the Whistler events. best, Bob... Robert J. Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.White Rock, BC. Canada _________________________________________________________________ From robert at rman.on-rev.com Mon Feb 8 16:27:46 2010 From: robert at rman.on-rev.com (Robert Man) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002081315s5940392fh194644ccfb16b455@mail.gmail.com> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> <177260926093.20100208130752@ahsoftware.net> <94F55CC8-15E0-4FB2-95DD-2958673ADE6B@mac.com> <963c86eb1002081315s5940392fh194644ccfb16b455@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265664466461-1473566.post@n4.nabble.com> Well regarding msg of those who are upset by the delay, ok this is long.. but many of us who work individually or in a small company can figure out what it is to loose a major partner, marketing manager, and friend.. within a very ambitious period.. I tend to think we can also be grateful for what we already have and for what is cooking up.. and there is not such thing as perfection either .. I just do hope another talent will step in and join the reunrev team and its leader. it can be very lonely at the head of a little business, and that is no good for us! Robert -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/2009-conference-DVD-audio-visual-quality-tp1473352p1473566.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 8 16:40:19 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:40:19 -0500 Subject: DataGrid question In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002081229x272c1b1bjccd49425ea3a13ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002081205q437080a3l34c8abde171c5135@mail.gmail.com> <963c86eb1002081229x272c1b1bjccd49425ea3a13ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14E64A97-0D31-4E1E-8AE0-D95A5696118F@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. I just uploaded some updates to the manual that may prove helpful. The first lesson has an example stack that goes along with it. The key when updating a rows data and redrawing the Data Grid after expanding/contracting a row is to use SetDataOfIndex/Line and RefreshIndex/Line. RefreshIndex was not documented but I've just added it. Take a look and let me know if the tips help. How Do I Create Rows That Can Expand/Contract?: How Can I Speed Up Drawing When "fixed row height" is False?: -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:09:34 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:09:34 +1000 Subject: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process? In-Reply-To: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> References: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > We have been experimenting with many combinations of syntax variants ?for "open process"/"read from process" to communicate with various command-line driven executables. > > We are using a callback loop to read from process, and have tried from 1 to 800 milliseconds to try and speed up response. > > We have tried read from process until lf, until cr, until eof, until empty, etc. > > Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the "read from process". Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. > > > So, I am wondering: > > 1. Is there something we could do to eliminate this delay, some syntax we haven't yet tried? > > 2. Have other developers noticed this latency in the Rev I/O pipeline? > > 3. Would writing an Rev external that served as a middleman between Rev and a command-line driven executable eliminate this problem and provide near real time communication? > > 4. Is there another way to communicate with command-line driven executables (other than "shell", which doesn't provide for a callback loop to monitor output) I use shell with the output piped to a text file that I can monitor. Here is an example script that I use for pinging: function checkPing pIP put specialFolderPath("Desktop") & "/ping.txt" into tFileName if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put "ping -c1 -n " & pIP into tShellCmd put " > " & tFileName & " 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put 0 into timeCheck repeat 50 times add 1 to timeCheck wait 1 tick with messages if there is a file tFileName then put URL ("file:" & tFileName) into tRes if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet put wordOffset("loss", tRes) into tWord if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result not complete -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent if tPercent = "0%" then return true else return false end if end repeat if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName return false end checkPing Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:11:16 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:11:16 +1000 Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler In-Reply-To: <1265652995408-1473290.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <99249892218.20100208100358@ahsoftware.net> <1265652995408-1473290.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > I am troubled by the lack of books out there on the subject, and am looking > to increase my skill set as quickly as possible. ?Thank you all for your > speedy responses. We did have one person who tried to do a book, but the product is evolving so fast that the life cycle of a book just can't keep up. But as Bernard says, the scripting conferences, newsletters & this list are the best resource. Cheers, Sarah From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 8 17:13:32 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:13:32 -0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <4B7044AF.3090700@gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <325413301002080858x3980f06bq7e3c940df431cfcf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7044AF.3090700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <181264866125.20100208141332@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:06:55 AM, you wrote: > "No matter who you vote for the government always gets in." > Bonzo Dog DooDah Band. Thanks for that... it's been a long time. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:14:55 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:14:55 +1000 Subject: Problems with a standalone for Linux In-Reply-To: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> References: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Bonjour, > > I have an app. that I saved as standalones for the three platforms (Mac, > Windows and Linux). > > A first stack is launched which includes the engine and 3 buttons, each of > which opens an independant stack (say stack1, stack2 and stack3). > > The 3 buttons have exactly the same script (on mouseUp, they call a same > command "ouvrirCeStack"). > > They are working well on Mac and Windows ; > > But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are working > normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! > > How is that possible ?? Is stack3 correctly built into the standalone? Is the a preOpen.. or open... handler in stack 3 that could be causing an error? Can you build a version which displays the result if there is a problem - that would help work out what the error is? > > Another problem with this Linux standalone : > > On stack1 (which open normally) there is a button "help" which alternatively > change the visibile of a field "help" (shows or hides it) > Here again works well on Mac and Windows but, with the Linux standalone, my > user says that when he clicks on this button the field "help" is shown but > is immediately hidden, and the stack is closed!! Perhaps he is double-clicking on the button which would show then hide. One way to avoid this is to have the button show the help field, and then a click in the help field itself hides it. Cheers, Sarah From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 18:32:24 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:32:24 -0800 Subject: Embedded Flash Player Message-ID: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> Hi all. Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I have a special case situation where someone who recently suffered a minor stroke wants to view one specific flash stream, but his memory is so bad he cannot remember to close the browser window before he switches HDMI inputs, and subsequently, when he switches back, the monitor has dropped the HDMI signal from the computer. I could easily write an app that opened a full screen player and then with a click of the mouse quit the application, but I need to know how to embed the player in Rev. Bob From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Feb 8 18:35:11 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:35:11 -0800 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> Message-ID: Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? You have to use revBrowser. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From josh at dvcreators.net Mon Feb 8 18:51:16 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:51:16 -0800 Subject: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process? In-Reply-To: References: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <0DDF541E-4C29-4914-9A0B-B3723F479372@dvcreators.net> Thanks Sarah! That could be just the ticket for some projects. I wonder if there is any way to designate a pipe in memory, rather than a text file on disk... I fear the constant disk access might disrupt other things going on. I wonder if a "generic external" could be written for the sole purpose of porting commands from Rev to external executables, and receiving the output... such that you would need to define the type of data when sending the command from Rev... just dreaming here... On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Josh Mellicker wrote: >> We have been experimenting with many combinations of syntax variants for "open process"/"read from process" to communicate with various command-line driven executables. >> >> We are using a callback loop to read from process, and have tried from 1 to 800 milliseconds to try and speed up response. >> >> We have tried read from process until lf, until cr, until eof, until empty, etc. >> >> Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the "read from process". Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. >> >> >> So, I am wondering: >> >> 1. Is there something we could do to eliminate this delay, some syntax we haven't yet tried? >> >> 2. Have other developers noticed this latency in the Rev I/O pipeline? >> >> 3. Would writing an Rev external that served as a middleman between Rev and a command-line driven executable eliminate this problem and provide near real time communication? >> >> 4. Is there another way to communicate with command-line driven executables (other than "shell", which doesn't provide for a callback loop to monitor output) > > > I use shell with the output piped to a text file that I can monitor. > Here is an example script that I use for pinging: > > function checkPing pIP > put specialFolderPath("Desktop") & "/ping.txt" into tFileName > if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName > > put "ping -c1 -n " & pIP into tShellCmd > put " > " & tFileName & " 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd > get shell(tShellCmd) > > put 0 into timeCheck > repeat 50 times > add 1 to timeCheck > wait 1 tick with messages > if there is a file tFileName then > put URL ("file:" & tFileName) into tRes > if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet > > put wordOffset("loss", tRes) into tWord > if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result > not complete > > -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName > put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent > if tPercent = "0%" then return true > else return false > end if > end repeat > > if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName > return false > end checkPing > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 19:00:04 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:00:04 -0400 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002081600ja10119dpc9e9471279b07250@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Some time ago, i posted a message asking for volunteers to create a Wikipedia CD/DVD. Since then, i have been working on this project and have done some advances, that will be published as soon they work as expected. Now, i need advice about possible strategies to create a fast and responsive word index for all Wikipedia articles, similar to the capabilities demostrated by google search engine, with suggested search terms and similar words. Notice that to index the article's titles i am not using any database engine in this project. For memory constrains and performance reasons, these are the steps i followed: 1) Wikipedia XML database is divided in multiple small UTF8 text files (each aprox. 1 MB) compressed in .gz format (reduced to 350-250 Kb). I have files numbered from 00001 to 06455 for spanish Wikipedia. English Wikipedia runs from 00001 to 28750. NOTE: Using such small database files, allows users to read quickly any linked article because the program find, decompress and process a small file. This is fast, even in old computers. 2) Each database part is indexed for article titles and words. 3) These multiple index files are merged into one big UTF8 index text file arranged in alphabetical order. 4) Split the big UTF8 index text file in 28 small UTF8 index text files. That is, a different file for each letter: 1 file for Decimal ASCII 33 to 64: ! to @ 26 files for Decimal ASCII 65 to 90: A to Z 1 file for Decimal ASCII 91 and more... Largest UTF8 index text file is the letter C 5) When users click an article link, program checks for the first letter of clicked link and search article name in the corresponding index. That is: a linked article that starts with G is searched only in the UTF8 Article Index "G" This works fine 99.9% of time because there are some errors with names of linked articles. Now, i am looking for advice to create an index structure for searching specific words inside article's text. i have been unable to implement a fast search algorithm, using multiple words, similar to Wikipedia's own search engine. Every idea or advice is welcome. Thanks in advance! Alejandro From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 19:27:34 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:27:34 -0800 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Scott. I still use your excellent tmAlign btw. I imagine with some work that could be made into a fairly robust geometry manager. So my question then becomes, is there a way in revBrowser to maximize a flash window via script control? Therein lies the difficulty. I've been told that browsers normally prevent this because it is a possible point of exploitation. Someone could theoretically create a full screen transparent window that took you to their web site and launched malware. I was hoping to get past this difficulty with a rev app that launched a native flash player, but that may be too much to hope for. Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? > > You have to use revBrowser. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jiro at ronri-kobo.com Mon Feb 8 19:46:34 2010 From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:46:34 +0900 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> References: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> Message-ID: Bob, > Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I have created an application("F-ab") embedded a flash player. Visit the web site: http://www.f-ab.net/ "F-ab" is created by Runtime Revolution 3.0. I developed an external "BlendCoffee" to display Flash movies in Rev. In Fab, Flash movies are controlled by Transcript. (I haven't updated it one year or more.) Jiro Harada On 2010/02/09, at 8:32, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi all. > > Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev > app? I have a special case situation where someone who recently > suffered a minor stroke wants to view one specific flash stream, > but his memory is so bad he cannot remember to close the browser > window before he switches HDMI inputs, and subsequently, when he > switches back, the monitor has dropped the HDMI signal from the > computer. > > I could easily write an app that opened a full screen player and > then with a click of the mouse quit the application, but I need to > know how to embed the player in Rev. > > Bob From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon Feb 8 19:54:39 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:54:39 +1100 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bob - if the SWF file is already scalable (i.e. It resizes when you drag out the movie in the standalone Flash Player window) then you can just make your revBrowser object as big as the screen allows and set the url of the browser directly to the movie's filepath. If the SWF file is stored locally then just use the 'file' form of the url rather than http. Terry... On 9/02/10 11:27 AM, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: > Thanks Scott. I still use your excellent tmAlign btw. I imagine with some work > that could be made into a fairly robust geometry manager. > > So my question then becomes, is there a way in revBrowser to maximize a flash > window via script control? Therein lies the difficulty. I've been told that > browsers normally prevent this because it is a possible point of exploitation. > Someone could theoretically create a full screen transparent window that took > you to their web site and launched malware. I was hoping to get past this > difficulty with a rev app that launched a native flash player, but that may be > too much to hope for. > > Bob > > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> >>> Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? >> >> You have to use revBrowser. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 8 20:00:29 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:00:29 -0800 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: References: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> Message-ID: <07894E22-2B7D-453E-ADDD-096D53574A4D@twft.com> Hi Jiro. I may actually need the external itself, and I would be willing to pay for it. Please contact me off list about the possibility of working with you on this. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM bobs at twft.com On Feb 8, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Jiro Harada wrote: > Bob, > >> Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? > > I have created an application("F-ab") embedded a flash player. > > Visit the web site: > http://www.f-ab.net/ > > "F-ab" is created by Runtime Revolution 3.0. > I developed an external "BlendCoffee" to display Flash movies in Rev. > In Fab, Flash movies are controlled by Transcript. > > (I haven't updated it one year or more.) > > Jiro Harada From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:32:15 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:32:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: References: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> Message-ID: <1265682735584-1473867.post@n4.nabble.com> Jiro, You have made a great work in this application. :-) Congratulations! Reading the documentation noticed that FLV phone uses a Java Server for communication. How do you run a Java server inside a Rev application? System requirements do not specify which Java version is needed for running this Rev application. Thanks in advance for your answer and keep up your good work! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Embedded-Flash-Player-tp1473718p1473867.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:48:54 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:48:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <1265664466461-1473566.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <124253418875.20100208110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265657586198-1473410.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B706E34.9000302@hyperactivesw.com> <177260926093.20100208130752@ahsoftware.net> <94F55CC8-15E0-4FB2-95DD-2958673ADE6B@mac.com> <963c86eb1002081315s5940392fh194644ccfb16b455@mail.gmail.com> <1265664466461-1473566.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265683734845-1473875.post@n4.nabble.com> Robert, you are right. When we lose a friend and a dearest family member, we begin to reexamine our own life and consider which are our priorities. I remember that when i lost a close familiar, many months past before i get accostumed to the idea that i would not see this familiar again in my life. Miller's family and Bill Marriot's family are in my prayers. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/2009-conference-DVD-audio-visual-quality-tp1473352p1473875.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:57:57 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:57:57 +0800 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > However, the current record being worked with was loaded on a previous > card > and the information was put into a set of global variables. > gLandOwnerContact (the current record's landowner name). > > Hi Andrew, Welcome to the Revolution. As you've already discovered, you really can do a lot in one week with Revolution. As other's have said, forget about books, ask all the questions you want on this List. I'm going to depart from answering your question but offer some advise. Do a search of the archives for: global vs custom properties. There is even a long thread titled "Best Practices using globals vs. custprops?" - dated 23 Jun 07. Your mentioning of 'a set of global variables' just strikes me as a perfect scenario of custom properties and custom property sets. As you are just starting out with Rev it may be the perfect opportunity to see if these suit your situation. There is nothing wrong with globals, but as you'll discover on this List, there are some gotchas that can be avoided by using Custom Properties and they really are a much loved feature of Rev. Hate for you to get 3 months down the track and go, Custom Properties???, no body told me about them... I could have...... ;-) HTH From wow at together.net Mon Feb 8 22:00:37 2010 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:00:37 -0500 Subject: Can Rev send Fn+F2 signal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B70CFD5.9070901@together.net> I have a piece of hardware attached to a Lenovo netbook which needs a signal sent to it which would normally be generated by hitting FN+F2. I can no longer attach the original Lenovo keyboard (the unit is disassembled) to generate this signal. Unfortunately, hitting FN+2 on an external USB keyboard does not generate the necessary signal. Not sure why this is, but the manufacturer has verified an external USB keyboard cannot do this job (and there's no PS2 keyboard connector on this netbook). Unfortunately, they have not created a software driver to do this either. Can I somehow do this through Rev? I'm running Windows 7. Thanks. Richard Miller From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Mon Feb 8 23:21:15 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:21:15 -0800 Subject: Ticket SQLite Solution from RunRev 9 Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the SQLite Ticket solution that Jan Schenkel walked through in his session at RunRev 09? I have the DVD set from the conference but cannot find the solution in any of the resources provided. ****************************************** Stewart Lynch CreaTECH Solutions slynch at CreaTECHSol.com ****************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 23:29:44 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:29:44 +0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Judy Perry wrote: > I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native > white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT kidding). Why > am I not surprised? > > Oh, that reminds me. I recently took the kids to Australia for a holiday. Now I knew they had Country boarder security but I didn't realise they had country boarder security, no that's not a typo. It's all explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hr5GbRC7Q Of course that doesn't quite compare with the ignominy of the strip search to get on the flight to the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6tGDlYsew From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 23:32:21 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:32:21 +0800 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Whoops there is a typo, that should be border, not boarder. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Judy Perry wrote: > >> I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my >> native white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT >> kidding). Why am I not surprised? >> >> Oh, that reminds me. I recently took the kids to Australia for a holiday. > Now I knew they had Country boarder security but I didn't realise they had > country boarder security, no that's not a typo. > > It's all explained here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hr5GbRC7Q > > Of course that doesn't quite compare with the ignominy of the strip search > to get on the flight to the US: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6tGDlYsew > > > From mdswindell at cruzio.com Tue Feb 9 00:05:53 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:05:53 -0800 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder Message-ID: How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? Thanks, Mark From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Feb 9 00:13:54 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:13:54 +1100 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How about this? function listFiles pFolderPath set the defaultFolder to pFolderPath put the files into tFiles filter tFiles without ".*" put empty into tList repeat for each line tFile in tFiles put tFile &tab& (pFolderPath &"/"& tFile) &cr after tList end repeat return char 1 to -2 of tList end listFiles Terry... On 9/02/10 4:05 PM, "Mark Swindell" wrote: > How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their > full path? > > Thanks, > Mark_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 00:19:06 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:19:06 +1000 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? Manually :-) Here is a function I wrote that lists files in a folder for you, resetting the defaultFolder when it's got the list. function listFiles pFolder, pGiveFullPath if there is not a folder pFolder then return empty -- get the list of files & reset default folder put the defaultFolder into tOldDefault set the defaultFolder to pFolder put the files into tFileList set the defaultFolder to tOldDefault -- filter out OS X's invisible files filter tFileList without ".*" -- add folder path to file name if required if pGiveFullPath is among the items of "true,yes,full" then put empty into tFullList if the last char of pFolder <> "/" then put "/" after pFolder repeat for each line L in tFileList put pFolder & L & cr after tFullList end repeat delete last char of tFullList return tFullList else return tFileList end if end listFiles If you use: put listFiles(tFolder) into fld "Files" you get tust the file names, but if you use: put listFiles(tFolder, "full") into fld "Data" you will get the full file paths. Cheers, Sarah From mdswindell at cruzio.com Tue Feb 9 00:20:58 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:20:58 -0800 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56746F4C-2F25-4239-9032-158A4986F10C@cruzio.com> Terry, Sarah, Wow, that was fast! Thank you so much. Mark On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: >> How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? > > Manually :-) > > Here is a function I wrote that lists files in a folder for you, > resetting the defaultFolder when it's got the list. > > function listFiles pFolder, pGiveFullPath > if there is not a folder pFolder then return empty > > -- get the list of files & reset default folder > put the defaultFolder into tOldDefault > set the defaultFolder to pFolder > put the files into tFileList > set the defaultFolder to tOldDefault > > -- filter out OS X's invisible files > filter tFileList without ".*" > > -- add folder path to file name if required > if pGiveFullPath is among the items of "true,yes,full" then > put empty into tFullList > if the last char of pFolder <> "/" then put "/" after pFolder > repeat for each line L in tFileList > put pFolder & L & cr after tFullList > end repeat > delete last char of tFullList > return tFullList > > else > return tFileList > end if > end listFiles > > > If you use: > put listFiles(tFolder) into fld "Files" > you get tust the file names, but if you use: > put listFiles(tFolder, "full") into fld "Data" > you will get the full file paths. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 00:24:26 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:24:26 -0800 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53965C18-114F-4A8D-9BA4-3F74C003638A@yahoo.com> On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:05 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along > with their full path? I assume you mean on a local drive vs network drive. Step one is to use the full path to tell Rev where to look to generate the list of files, ..so one technique I use is answer folder "choose your target folder" put it into tFullPath set the defaultFolder to tFullPath put the files into tFileList filter tFileList without ".*" -- invis files (or put the detailed files into tFileList ) repeat for each line tFileName in tFileList put tFullPath & "/" & tFileName & cr after newFileLIst end repeat filter newFileList without empty Jim Ault Las Vegas From revdev at pdslabs.net Tue Feb 9 00:38:10 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:38:10 -0800 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: <56746F4C-2F25-4239-9032-158A4986F10C@cruzio.com> References: <56746F4C-2F25-4239-9032-158A4986F10C@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <4B70F4C2.5090709@pdslabs.net> Hi Mark, Gotta love this list! I'm not really trying to improve on the solutions from Terry and Sarah, just offering an alternative. Instead of prepending each filename with the path via a repeat loop like this: repeat for each line L in tFileList put pFolder& L& cr after tFullList end repeat You could do it this way: put (CR & tFileList) into tFullList replace CR with (CR & pFolder) in tFullList delete char 1 of tFullList So you have 3 lines that execute, even with a list of 1000 files. I haven't timed this to see if there's a speed gain - just thought I would throw it out there. Phil Davis On 2/8/10 9:20 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > Terry, Sarah, > > Wow, that was fast! Thank you so much. > > Mark > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: >> >>> How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? >>> >> Manually :-) >> >> Here is a function I wrote that lists files in a folder for you, >> resetting the defaultFolder when it's got the list. >> >> function listFiles pFolder, pGiveFullPath >> if there is not a folder pFolder then return empty >> >> -- get the list of files& reset default folder >> put the defaultFolder into tOldDefault >> set the defaultFolder to pFolder >> put the files into tFileList >> set the defaultFolder to tOldDefault >> >> -- filter out OS X's invisible files >> filter tFileList without ".*" >> >> -- add folder path to file name if required >> if pGiveFullPath is among the items of "true,yes,full" then >> put empty into tFullList >> if the last char of pFolder<> "/" then put "/" after pFolder >> repeat for each line L in tFileList >> put pFolder& L& cr after tFullList >> end repeat >> delete last char of tFullList >> return tFullList >> >> else >> return tFileList >> end if >> end listFiles >> >> >> If you use: >> put listFiles(tFolder) into fld "Files" >> you get tust the file names, but if you use: >> put listFiles(tFolder, "full") into fld "Data" >> you will get the full file paths. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 9 00:53:57 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:53:57 -0800 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: <53965C18-114F-4A8D-9BA4-3F74C003638A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: A little side note about the defaultFolder... If you're going to change the default folder, it's good practice to store the current default and set it back once you're done. Like in a modified version of Jim's handler: answer folder "choose your target folder" put it into tFullPath put the defaultFolder into DF set the defaultFolder to tFullPath put the files into tFileList set the defaultFolder to DF do your stuff here.... For most stacks, leaving out this step won't cause any issues, but in stacks that access files in multiple locations on the drive or when creating Rev apps that need to play nicely with other apps, resetting the defaultFolder is good housekeeping. Not intending to muddy the waters... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Tue Feb 9 01:11:08 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:11:08 -0800 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bernard Devlin on February 8, 2010 at 10:56 AM -0800 wrote: >I recommended the DVDs to a new user on this list. However, I don't >really know about the AV quality of the recorded conference. I >remember that one of the previous conferences had imperfect AV quality >(I think it was illegibility of the recording of the code on the OHP >that was the problem). > >Are code samples in the 2009 conference legible? How about the audio >(the Q&A session is usually the point where that fails in such >recordings). The DVD set is excellent. I gave up on watching anything from the RunRev 08 set because it was so bad. This year the quality is excellent. ****************************************** Stewart Lynch CreaTECH Solutions slynch at CreaTECHSol.com ****************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. 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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > > Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. >> > > I just uploaded some updates to the manual that may prove helpful. The > first lesson has an example stack that goes along with it. > > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 01:30:46 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:30:46 +0800 Subject: Getting list of files in a folder In-Reply-To: References: <53965C18-114F-4A8D-9BA4-3F74C003638A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > A little side note about the defaultFolder... > > Whilst on side notes, if you are dealing with OS X then you have the pain of needing to decide what you are going to do with 'packages', which are of course folders that are made to look like files. Do you consider an application a file that you want to list. If not you are OK. But a quick test with TextEdit and .rtfd files, ie a text file with an included image, has it saved as a package and therefore isn't Listed with the 'put the files' scripts that have been put forward. Off the top of my head, iMovie & iDVD project files are packages and so would not be listed. I'm sure there are a number of other apps out there that produce files which are really packages and therefore would be missed. For your particular needs the provided scripts may be suitable, but for anyone else needing similar, dealing with OS X and needing a list of everything in a Folder that is not a standard plain folder, then you are going to have to use 'put the folders' and then filter out everything without a dot suffix, and then add that to your list from 'put the files'. HTH From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 01:31:12 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:31:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ticket SQLite Solution from RunRev 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <179644.33931.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, RevList wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a > copy of the SQLite Ticket solution > that Jan Schenkel walked through in his session at RunRev > 09? > > I have the DVD set from the conference but cannot find the > solution in any > of the resources provided. > > Stewart Lynch > Hi Stewart, You can download the slideshows and example stacks for RunRevLive'09 directly from the quartam.com website - here's a link to the download page: Cheers, Jan Schenkel. ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 9 01:48:43 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:48:43 -0800 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: References: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> Message-ID: Jiro, this is an awesome application. Great work. sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 8 February 2010 16:46, Jiro Harada wrote: > Bob, > > > Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? >> > > I have created an application("F-ab") embedded a flash player. > > Visit the web site: > http://www.f-ab.net/ > > "F-ab" is created by Runtime Revolution 3.0. > I developed an external "BlendCoffee" to display Flash movies in Rev. > In Fab, Flash movies are controlled by Transcript. > > (I haven't updated it one year or more.) > > Jiro Harada > > > > On 2010/02/09, at 8:32, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Hi all. >> >> Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I >> have a special case situation where someone who recently suffered a minor >> stroke wants to view one specific flash stream, but his memory is so bad he >> cannot remember to close the browser window before he switches HDMI inputs, >> and subsequently, when he switches back, the monitor has dropped the HDMI >> signal from the computer. >> >> I could easily write an app that opened a full screen player and then with >> a click of the mouse quit the application, but I need to know how to embed >> the player in Rev. >> >> Bob >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From h at FlexibleLearning.com Tue Feb 9 03:13:48 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:13:48 -0000 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <20100208200412.3BBF4288271@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: My British passport will only include chips if, as and when the issuing authority provides the fish to go with them. Until then, I shall remain in my tree-house. "Stop the world... I want to get off." "Progress is too often convincing yourself that backwards is forwards." /H Neal wrote: Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible things you would have a "real" chip in your passport. This stuff is like squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes thru SWIFT. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 03:58:08 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:58:08 +0000 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, RevList wrote: > Bernard Devlin on February 8, 2010 at 10:56 AM -0800 >>Are code samples in the 2009 conference legible? How about the audio >>(the Q&A session is usually the point where that fails in such >>recordings). > > The DVD set is excellent. ?I gave up on watching anything from the RunRev > 08 set because it was so bad. ?This year the quality is excellent. Thank you, Stewart. That's all I wanted to know. It's great news, and will make the wait all the more worth it :-) Bernard From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 04:06:56 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:06:56 +0000 Subject: Problems with a standalone for Linux In-Reply-To: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> References: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are working > normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! > > How is that possible ?? Andre, This is maybe not what you want to hear. I build a message logging feature into my applications. Throughout my code I have messages sent to the log, along with a priority level and a message. This means that debugging can be done outside the IDE by seeing what is in the log. logMessage 3, "going to open help stack" .... logMessage 2, "user selected exit" That way by setting a variable at the start that turns logging on my app can produce a log of events. And by setting the priority level I can determine how verbose the logging is. I know it's of little help to you in this situation. Unless you re-write your application to do messsage logging. It is probably less effort to install Linux in a VM and then run your app within the IDE and see what's happening. Bernard From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 04:24:15 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:24:15 +0100 Subject: PDF doc name with revPrintText corrupted? Message-ID: <9CEA8150F2F74A049DCC1AF40EACF5EE@Kestner.local> Hello, I am using revPrintText with Rev 3.5 on Win to print a fields text. When selecting a printer everything is fine. When selecting a pdf-printer Rev creates a pdf doc name from my stack title. My stack title has german Umlaute and they get changed to weired signs in the pdf doc name, as if there there is a problem with the Unicode or something like this. I tried to use the revPrintText parameter "header text" in the hope rev would take that header text as the doc name, but no effect. Does anybody knows, if I can change the doc name when printing to pdf or to change the charset or any other idea? I know that there is the new pdf printing in 4.5, but I have to fix it in 3.5 with old style. Thanks Tiemo From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 04:37:02 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:37:02 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002080612n1d640ccfxfffede6dd21ff4ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> Just a thought, isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably is the most exotic, William :) Any idea? Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia > Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2010 15:12 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely > offtopic > > Willian, > > You win the best location award, it must be marvelous to live among > the nature like that. I hope it is colder than the 120F or 49C that > we're having here... Rio is melting. From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue Feb 9 04:43:48 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:43:48 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> Message-ID: I felt like I have known this a few years ago... Was I seeing things ? Ren? Le 9 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > Just a thought, > isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where > everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've > visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide > spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably > is the most exotic, William :) > Any idea? > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia >> Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2010 15:12 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely >> offtopic >> >> Willian, >> >> You win the best location award, it must be marvelous to live among >> the nature like that. I hope it is colder than the 120F or 49C that >> we're having here... Rio is melting. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 05:11:26 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 02:11:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: PDF doc name with revPrintText corrupted? In-Reply-To: <9CEA8150F2F74A049DCC1AF40EACF5EE@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <593141.42557.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, > > I am using revPrintText with Rev 3.5 on Win to print a > fields text. When > selecting a printer everything is fine. When selecting a > pdf-printer Rev > creates a pdf doc name from my stack title. My stack title > has german > Umlaute and they get changed to weired signs in the pdf doc > name, as if > there there is a problem with the Unicode or something like > this. I tried to > use the revPrintText parameter "header text" in the hope > rev would take that > header text as the doc name, but no effect. > > Does anybody knows, if I can change the doc name when > printing to pdf or to > change the charset or any other idea? > > I know that there is the new pdf printing in 4.5, but I > have to fix it in > 3.5 with old style. > > Thanks > > Tiemo > You could try setting the 'printTitle' global property before calling revPrintText (haven't tried it, but it may solve your problem) Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 05:22:23 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:22:23 +0000 Subject: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process? In-Reply-To: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> References: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the "read from process". > Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. In the situations where I've used "read from process" this latency would make it a total non-starter. I think there is something unusual in your circumstances. I have just been working on a small module that uses "read from process", and the same action launched from a command line takes 5 seconds, as it does if it was run using "read from process". So your experience of latency is unusual. Maybe it is something to do with the startup time of the application you are opening as a process? I'm running on Vista here, but I've used "read from process" on OS X too with no noticeable delays I would try timing the same action using a command line script to see if there is really a latency with "read from process". Bernard From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 05:22:32 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:22:32 +0100 Subject: AW: PDF doc name with revPrintText corrupted? In-Reply-To: <593141.42557.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3790176ADEAB4DD8A25AF199D823A10E@Kestner.local> Great Jan, that worked! I would have never get that idea. you are really the printing specialist :) Thank you Tiemo > > > > You could try setting the 'printTitle' global property before calling > revPrintText (haven't tried it, but it may solve your problem) > > Jan Schenkel > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." > (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 05:58:29 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:58:29 +1000 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> Message-ID: There used to be a Frappr map for Rev users, but they started charging for their maps :-( Does anyone know if there is there a similar thing we can do on another site? I think it would be fun to see who was where. Cheers, Sarah On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > I felt like I have known this a few years ago... Was I seeing things ? > Ren? > > Le 9 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > >> Just a thought, >> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where >> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've >> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide >> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably >> is the most exotic, William :) >> Any idea? >> Tiemo From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Feb 9 06:01:29 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:01:29 +0100 Subject: Problems with a standalone for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> Message-ID: <60BE2373-B527-4CC5-BF68-A614C1129C9F@inria.fr> Thanks a lot Sahah for your attention and your answer Le 8 f?vr. 10 ? 23:14, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Andre.Bisseret > wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> I have an app. that I saved as standalones for the three platforms >> (Mac, >> Windows and Linux). >> >> A first stack is launched which includes the engine and 3 buttons, >> each of >> which opens an independant stack (say stack1, stack2 and stack3). >> >> The 3 buttons have exactly the same script (on mouseUp, they call a >> same >> command "ouvrirCeStack"). >> >> They are working well on Mac and Windows ; >> >> But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are >> working >> normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! >> >> How is that possible ?? > > Is stack3 correctly built into the standalone? It is not in the standalone. As the 2 other stacks it is called by its fileName > Is the a preOpen.. or open... handler in stack 3 that could be > causing an error? No there is no such handlers > Can you build a version which displays the result if there is a > problem - that would help work out what the error is? OK, I will search how one do that and try ;-) > > >> >> Another problem with this Linux standalone : >> >> On stack1 (which open normally) there is a button "help" which >> alternatively >> change the visibile of a field "help" (shows or hides it) >> Here again works well on Mac and Windows but, with the Linux >> standalone, my >> user says that when he clicks on this button the field "help" is >> shown but >> is immediately hidden, and the stack is closed!! > > > Perhaps he is double-clicking on the button which would show then > hide. That was my first hypothesis but he said he does not double-click > One way to avoid this is to have the button show the help field, and > then a click in the help field itself hides it. I have the two possibilities to hide the field (click on the field or re-click on the button > Not easy for me to find what is wrong with the Linux version. I have no opportunity to make quick trials and my user lives in another town (I sent him the app on a CD). Anyway, thanks much again Sahah Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 08:02:16 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:02:16 +0000 Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: > Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was > years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured > out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible > things you would have a "real" chip in your passport. This stuff is like > squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different > one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes > thru SWIFT. My partner is leaving the UK on holiday and asked me what was the limit on taking cash out of the country. I told him that as far as I knew, there was no limit (amazing as that sounds -- I remember it being one of the first things that Thatcher did when she came to power). He told me that this couldn't be true. So I did a quick search and found out that things have drastically altered. Not the law, mind you -- AFAICT there is still technically no limit. But it turns out that people who have as little as ?1000 in cash on them at airports are quizzed about it and required to show proof of where this money came from! It would not cross my mind if going for a 14+ day holiday to take less than ?3000 cash with me. And it would also never have crossed my mind to make sure I could provide an audit trail too. Why would I take so much cash? Because I've been injured on holiday before and needed a lot of scans. And because I've been stranded abroad where my credit cards with over ?30,000 of credit on them and which have never been compromised, were refused in ATMs, leaving me no option but to pay massive charges elsewhere to draw money out on my credit cards. It transpired that there had been so much ATM fraud in that city that foreign cards could not be used. When I took this up with my bank back home, every guarantee that the matter had been resolved (and that I could now use my cards) turned out to be worthless. When asked why we weren't warned about these things in the UK, they said if they did that the fraudsters would just move on. But that is exactly what they will do within hours of their fake ATM cards not working! So, one can't rely on ATMs, and if one takes anything other than pin money on a foreign vacation one should be prepared to provide a trail that can be audited. Unbelievable. The end result is that I now do a fraction of the travel that I used to do. And yet governments still take steps that ensure there is a drugs trade, they don't take any real measures against known terrorist groups, and most CCTV cameras fail to prevent or solve crimes. Security theatre, as Bruce Schneier calls it. Bernard From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 9 08:21:54 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:54 -0500 Subject: Option Menu Specifics In-Reply-To: <1265658615336-1473428.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265653571523-1473299.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B7060C6.6060707@hyperactivesw.com> <1265658615336-1473428.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <515AB26C-E504-4B7E-9FB5-A539ED04CFC5@mac.com> Andrew, Welcome, and ask all of your questions. We love em! Also, it is wonderful to see someone's conversion to RunRev and where the obvious and not so obvious problems are. What a great story yours will be. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > Between Mark and J's post, I got everything I needed to know. I need to > explore string manipulation in rev. I figured that this is where my sorting > of these lists would be most handy. > > Thank you Mark for that wonderful snippet. > > As a PHP and .NET developer, I am just getting used to Rev and trying to get > over the learning curve. You have been much help. Armed with a few more > learning resources than I had prior to these posts, I hopefully won't have > to bother you with silly things like this. > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Option-Menu-Specifics-tp1473235p1473428.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From warrenkuhl at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 08:52:23 2010 From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:52:23 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File Message-ID: I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). I need to write a utility that removes the last record of the file. Is there anyway to just remove the last record without reading through the complete file with RunRev? Thanks, Warren From tbandi at swissonline.ch Tue Feb 9 09:09:52 2010 From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:09:52 +0100 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: doesn't that work?: delete line -1 of file myTextFile Till Am 09.02.2010 um 14:52 schrieb Warren Kuhl: > I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). I need to write a > utility that removes the last record of the file. Is there anyway to > just remove the last record without reading through the complete file > with RunRev? > > Thanks, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 09:34:16 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 04:34:16 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> Warren, > I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). I need to write a > utility that removes the last record of the file. Is there anyway to > just remove the last record without reading through the complete file > with RunRev? This is totally untested but "logically" you could: 1. First get the size of the file on disk and approximate a character offset that should be only a few lines from the end of the file. 2. Then Open the file for read and read from file starting at the char offset you calculated to EOF into a var and delete the last line of the var. 3. Then Close the file and Open it again for write. 4. Now write the var to file at the same starting offset you read from. The reason you don't use open for update is that you want to open the file for write, so that whatever you write to the file replaces everything from the offset to the EOF. Update will replace chars and leave the last record at the end. What I don't know here is if internally the read/write from file at start still has to go through the entire file to calculate the starting offset, so I don't know how long this will take on a file of your size. But, at least, doing it this way won't require reading the whole file into memory and should result in the last line being deleted from the file in the quickest way available. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From warrenkuhl at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 09:48:59 2010 From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:48:59 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> Message-ID: Jim, I will give this a try. I was trying to go down the same path by getting the number of records of the file...then trying to determine if I could just read the last line and removing the EOF. Is there anyway to specifiy a READ to a certain line of a file without reading through the whole file? Warren On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Warren, > >> I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). ?I need to write a >> utility that removes the last record of the file. ?Is there anyway to >> just remove the last record without reading through the complete file >> with RunRev? > > This is totally untested but "logically" you could: > > 1. First get the size of the file on disk and approximate a character offset > that should be only a few lines from the end of the file. > > 2. Then Open the file for read and read from file starting at the char > offset you calculated to EOF into a var and delete the last line of the var. > > > 3. Then Close the file and Open it again for write. > > 4. Now write the var to file at the same starting offset you read from. > > The reason you don't use open for update is that you want to open the file > for write, so that whatever you write to the file replaces everything from > the offset to the EOF. Update will replace chars and leave the last record > at the end. > > What I don't know here is if internally the read/write from file at start > still has to go through the entire file to calculate the starting offset, so > I don't know how long this will take on a file of your size. But, at least, > doing it this way won't require reading the whole file into memory and > should result in the last line being deleted from the file in the quickest > way available. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 10:08:30 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 05:08:30 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> Message-ID: <000f01caa999$bdcf72a0$396e57e0$@com> Warren, > I will give this a try. I was trying to go down the same path by > getting the number of records of the file...then trying to determine > if I could just read the last line and removing the EOF. Is there > anyway to specifiy a READ to a certain line of a file without reading > through the whole file? The read from file command allows you start at a character offset and then read to a string, or for a number of bytes/chars/words/items (see dictionary) or to EOF. The write command will replace from the starting character offset and move the EOF for you. So, in your case, I don't think you have to be exact in your read. Just read in close to the end to EOF and write from the same offset and let the write command handle the EOF for you. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Feb 9 10:14:33 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:14:33 +0100 Subject: Problems with a standalone for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <0A7E3ADA-078D-4E4C-8749-665737421172@inria.fr> Message-ID: <908B687D-DA93-4479-8B86-9C88A8591679@inria.fr> Thank you very much Bernard for your answer. I will keep in mind your clever idea of a message logging; well, but for future applications ;-)) What I don't understand at all is why all is working well on Mac an Windows and not on Linux ! all the more so that, with Linux, among 3 buttons triggering exactly the same program, only one does not work! For the time being, I think that your last suggestion (installing Linux in a VM) should be the good one; But up to now, I sent my app. to only one person who uses exclusively Linux (and I am not selling it ;-)) so I will "wait and see". "Procrastination" is not often a good solution but might be one in this case ;-o))) Thanks again Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 9 f?vr. 10 ? 10:06, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Andre.Bisseret > wrote: >> But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are >> working >> normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! >> >> How is that possible ?? > > Andre, This is maybe not what you want to hear. > > I build a message logging feature into my applications. Throughout my > code I have messages sent to the log, along with a priority level and > a message. This means that debugging can be done outside the IDE by > seeing what is in the log. > > logMessage 3, "going to open help stack" > .... > logMessage 2, "user selected exit" > > That way by setting a variable at the start that turns logging on my > app can produce a log of events. And by setting the priority level I > can determine how verbose the logging is. > > I know it's of little help to you in this situation. Unless you > re-write your application to do messsage logging. It is probably less > effort to install Linux in a VM and then run your app within the IDE > and see what's happening. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From warrenkuhl at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:14:44 2010 From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:14:44 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <000f01caa999$bdcf72a0$396e57e0$@com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <000f01caa999$bdcf72a0$396e57e0$@com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for the explanation....I will give this a try. Thanks! Warren On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Warren, > >> I will give this a try. ?I was trying to go down the same path by >> getting the number of records of the file...then trying to determine >> if I could just read the last line and removing the EOF. ?Is there >> anyway to specifiy a READ to a certain line of a file without reading >> through the whole file? > > The read from file command allows you start at a character offset and then > read to a string, or for a number of bytes/chars/words/items (see > dictionary) or to EOF. The write command will replace from the starting > character offset and move the EOF for you. So, in your case, I don't think > you have to be exact in your read. Just read in close to the end to EOF and > write from the same offset and let the write command handle the EOF for you. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 10:32:06 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:32:06 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090732p66ee9a45pd7dd9fb625aa67e2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Sarah, Since you guys asked, here it goes: http://wecode.org/map/ Now, share your location! :D I've already added myself there. The interface is a pain but it works! Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > There used to be a Frappr map for Rev users, but they started charging > for their maps :-( > Does anyone know if there is there a similar thing we can do on > another site? I think it would be fun to see who was where. > > Cheers, > Sarah > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> I felt like I have known this a few years ago... Was I seeing things ? >> Ren? >> >> Le 9 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : >> >>> Just a thought, >>> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where >>> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've >>> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide >>> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably >>> is the most exotic, William :) >>> Any idea? >>> Tiemo > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From Mark at Rauterkus.com Tue Feb 9 10:53:39 2010 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:53:39 -0500 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, A map with pinpoints could be build by a community in Picasa, the google app that now allows shared photos each with its own geotags. The rub is that all would need to have a Google (gmail) account, or else open up an account for this purpose if another didn't upload the photo for you with the right tag. A sorta new Picasa web albums feature allows for a shared web album. Then folks could upload a photo and a geotag to that one album (need to have the right name/URL, of course). Then, those subscribed to the open web album, uploaded a photo to it, that album would present a nice visual effect with map of the world and images, etc. Some hand-holding may be required. A RunRev app could be built as well, either to interface with the shared Picasa album or else done on its own. Ta. Mark Rauterkus ? ? ? Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com Swimming and Water Polo Coach, Schenley High School, Pittsburgh, PA http://CLOH.wikia.com 412 298 3432 = cell From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 11:02:30 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:02:30 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> Mark, I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: http://wecode.org/map See if you like. Andre On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > Hi, > > A map with pinpoints could be build by a community in Picasa, the > google app that now allows shared photos each with its own geotags. > The rub is that all would need to have a Google (gmail) account, or > else open up an account for this purpose if another didn't upload the > photo for you with the right tag. > > A sorta new Picasa web albums feature allows for a shared web album. > Then folks could upload a photo and a geotag to that one album (need > to have the right name/URL, of course). Then, those subscribed to the > open web album, uploaded a photo to it, that album would present a > nice visual effect with map of the world and images, etc. > > Some hand-holding may be required. > > A RunRev app could be built as well, either to interface with the > shared Picasa album or else done on its own. > > Ta. > > Mark Rauterkus ? ? ? Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com > Swimming and Water Polo Coach, Schenley High School, Pittsburgh, PA > http://CLOH.wikia.com > 412 298 3432 = cell > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Tue Feb 9 11:08:09 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:08:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Nope. It was Frappr: http://www.frappr.com/ And it's about to bite the dust unless somebody wants to pay US$25 a year to keep it going OR start a new one. Judy On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Ren? Micout wrote: > I felt like I have known this a few years ago... Was I seeing things ? > Ren? From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Tue Feb 9 11:20:33 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:20:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <4B6FF52C.6090906@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <4B703DB5.3040106@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002080843h3439b0b5ofa04adce94c10125@mail.gmail.com> <4B70436B.40900@gmail.com> <325413301002081055n657b557dk8aaba5fefa07bbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Right. I was just having this argument, er, discussion on a history list I'm on; they made me think I was crazy so I spent a few minutes googling such things and found the most astonishing stuff (to me at least; the Brit history folks either denied the stuff outright or thought these things were a-okay): *A pilot plan, already in place in 2,000 UK private residences, to have ultimately up to 20,000 CCTVs installed in people's homes to ensure kids did their homework, parents fed them approved substances, etc. *The ~4 million CCTV surveillance systems already in place in the UK have image quality so poor as to utterly fail in 80% of criminal identification cases, and solving only 1 case per 1,000 cameras. *The infamous "spy on your neighbor/go through their trash" billboards. Not that we're a whole lot better in the US, as we saw yesterday... It was recently revealed that the FBI, in contravention to US law, literally used Post-It notes on teleco worker's workstations to illegally access US residents' phone records... :-/ Does anyone here remember the late 60s BBC program The Prisoner? Among its iconic elements were the ever-prominent placement of CCTVs to spy on people, on the street and in their residences. I'm not certain that anyone today would find that odd in the slightest, much less chillingly prescient. Police state, here we come :-( Judy On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: >> Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was >> years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured >> out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible >> things you would have a "real" chip in your passport. This stuff is like >> squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different >> one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes >> thru SWIFT. > > My partner is leaving the UK on holiday and asked me what was the > limit on taking cash out of the country. I told him that as far as I > knew, there was no limit (amazing as that sounds -- I remember it > being one of the first things that Thatcher did when she came to > power). > > He told me that this couldn't be true. So I did a quick search and > found out that things have drastically altered. Not the law, mind you > -- AFAICT there is still technically no limit. But it turns out that > people who have as little as ?1000 in cash on them at airports are > quizzed about it and required to show proof of where this money came > from! > > It would not cross my mind if going for a 14+ day holiday to take less > than ?3000 cash with me. And it would also never have crossed my mind > to make sure I could provide an audit trail too. > > Why would I take so much cash? Because I've been injured on holiday > before and needed a lot of scans. And because I've been stranded > abroad where my credit cards with over ?30,000 of credit on them and > which have never been compromised, were refused in ATMs, leaving me no > option but to pay massive charges elsewhere to draw money out on my > credit cards. It transpired that there had been so much ATM fraud in > that city that foreign cards could not be used. When I took this up > with my bank back home, every guarantee that the matter had been > resolved (and that I could now use my cards) turned out to be > worthless. When asked why we weren't warned about these things in the > UK, they said if they did that the fraudsters would just move on. But > that is exactly what they will do within hours of their fake ATM > cards not working! > > So, one can't rely on ATMs, and if one takes anything other than pin > money on a foreign vacation one should be prepared to provide a trail > that can be audited. > > Unbelievable. The end result is that I now do a fraction of the > travel that I used to do. > > And yet governments still take steps that ensure there is a drugs > trade, they don't take any real measures against known terrorist > groups, and most CCTV cameras fail to prevent or solve crimes. > > Security theatre, as Bruce Schneier calls it. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 11:49:30 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:49:30 +0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> On 09/02/2010 18:02, Andre Garzia wrote: > Mark, > > I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: > > http://wecode.org/map > > See if you like. > > Andre > > It's absolutely fine; but, having found my house how do I affix a 'pin' to it? From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 11:50:29 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:50:29 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think this interface is too sophisticated for me. If I dig into the map I find a map with hundreds of people pins. Are these already all Rev-Users? I can't believe... Don't know, where to pin my needle Timo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia > Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 17:03 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic > > Mark, > > I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: > > http://wecode.org/map > > See if you like. > > Andre > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A map with pinpoints could be build by a community in Picasa, the > > google app that now allows shared photos each with its own geotags. > > The rub is that all would need to have a Google (gmail) account, or > > else open up an account for this purpose if another didn't upload the > > photo for you with the right tag. > > > > A sorta new Picasa web albums feature allows for a shared web album. > > Then folks could upload a photo and a geotag to that one album (need > > to have the right name/URL, of course). Then, those subscribed to the > > open web album, uploaded a photo to it, that album would present a > > nice visual effect with map of the world and images, etc. > > > > Some hand-holding may be required. > > > > A RunRev app could be built as well, either to interface with the > > shared Picasa album or else done on its own. > > > > Ta. > > > > Mark Rauterkus ? ? ? Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com > > Swimming and Water Polo Coach, Schenley High School, Pittsburgh, PA > > http://CLOH.wikia.com > > 412 298 3432 = cell > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 9 12:05:15 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:05:15 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <150332768906.20100209090515@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:02:30 AM, you wrote: > I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: > http://wecode.org/map Can you import kml data? I archived the data from the old runrev frappr map, which is being put out to pasture: http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 12:07:46 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:07:46 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <150332768906.20100209090515@ahsoftware.net> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <150332768906.20100209090515@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090907n3a441fc4m28c0967e31b232c0@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately I can't import kml data... Do you know other solution? Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andre- > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:02:30 AM, you wrote: > >> I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: > >> http://wecode.org/map > > Can you import kml data? I archived the data from the old runrev > frappr map, which is being put out to pasture: > > http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 12:08:28 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:08:28 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090908t64286b5csdb0696556c7caf30@mail.gmail.com> Tiemo, I think you went to the wrong place. There's only me there right now. :D On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > I think this interface is too sophisticated for me. If I dig into the map I > find a map with hundreds of people pins. Are these already all Rev-Users? I > can't believe... Don't know, where to pin my needle > Timo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 17:03 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic >> >> Mark, >> >> I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: >> >> http://wecode.org/map >> >> See if you like. >> >> Andre >> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > A map with pinpoints could be build by a community in Picasa, the >> > google app that now allows shared photos each with its own geotags. >> > The rub is that all would need to have a Google (gmail) account, or >> > else open up an account for this purpose if another didn't upload the >> > photo for you with the right tag. >> > >> > A sorta new Picasa web albums feature allows for a shared web album. >> > Then folks could upload a photo and a geotag to that one album (need >> > to have the right name/URL, of course). Then, those subscribed to the >> > open web album, uploaded a photo to it, that album would present a >> > nice visual effect with map of the world and images, etc. >> > >> > Some hand-holding may be required. >> > >> > A RunRev app could be built as well, either to interface with the >> > shared Picasa album or else done on its own. >> > >> > Ta. >> > >> > Mark Rauterkus ? ? ? Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com >> > Swimming and Water Polo Coach, Schenley High School, Pittsburgh, PA >> > http://CLOH.wikia.com >> > 412 298 3432 = cell >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-revolution mailing list >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 12:09:05 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:09:05 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> Richmond, double click the spot and a form will appear! :D (or it is a single click) Andre On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 09/02/2010 18:02, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> I did a simple one using a free service, I put it at: >> >> http://wecode.org/map >> >> See if you like. >> >> Andre >> >> > > It's absolutely fine; but, having found my > house how do I affix a 'pin' to it? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 9 12:15:32 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:15:32 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090907n3a441fc4m28c0967e31b232c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <150332768906.20100209090515@ahsoftware.net> <7c87a2a11002090907n3a441fc4m28c0967e31b232c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <176333386046.20100209091532@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 9:07:46 AM, you wrote: > Unfortunately I can't import kml data... Do you know other solution? It may still be possible: http://maps.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=41136&topic=1475 I'll email you the file offlist. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 12:21:41 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:21:41 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090908t64286b5csdb0696556c7caf30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8583027D499C4616BB7F36A1CF09DA80@Kestner.local> I am too dumb. Zooming into the map and double clicking it, opens a new window with the same map. Zooming into and double clicking zooms the map to the max, but doesn't pin :( Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia > Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 18:08 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic > > Tiemo, > > I think you went to the wrong place. There's only me there right now. > > :D From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 12:23:02 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:02 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <8583027D499C4616BB7F36A1CF09DA80@Kestner.local> References: <7c87a2a11002090908t64286b5csdb0696556c7caf30@mail.gmail.com> <8583027D499C4616BB7F36A1CF09DA80@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090923i7c1ad212o60f4f55fd6713d0d@mail.gmail.com> Tiemo, on the pop up map, try single click. I think that was how I added mine... :D On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > I am too dumb. Zooming into the map and double clicking it, opens a new > window with the same map. Zooming into and double clicking zooms the map to > the max, but doesn't pin :( > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 18:08 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic >> >> Tiemo, >> >> I think you went to the wrong place. There's only me there right now. >> >> :D > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 12:28:07 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:28:07 +0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B719B27.2050506@gmail.com> On 09/02/2010 19:09, Andre Garzia wrote: > Richmond, > > double click the spot and a form will appear! :D > > (or it is a single click) > > Andre > > No; the map just zooms in more. From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 12:28:44 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:28:44 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B719B27.2050506@gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> <4B719B27.2050506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090928q2acedcb3w841e2a5063075ea6@mail.gmail.com> tried the single click on the pop up map? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 09/02/2010 19:09, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> Richmond, >> >> double click the spot and a form will appear! :D >> >> (or it is a single click) >> >> Andre >> >> > > No; the map just zooms in more. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 12:31:39 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:31:39 +0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090928q2acedcb3w841e2a5063075ea6@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> <4B719B27.2050506@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090928q2acedcb3w841e2a5063075ea6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B719BFB.4080702@gmail.com> On 09/02/2010 19:28, Andre Garzia wrote: > tried the single click on the pop up map? > Yes, I have . . . no joy. > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: > >> On 09/02/2010 19:09, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >>> Richmond, >>> >>> double click the spot and a form will appear! :D >>> >>> (or it is a single click) >>> >>> Andre >>> >>> >>> >> No; the map just zooms in more. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > > From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 12:38:11 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:38:11 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090923i7c1ad212o60f4f55fd6713d0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13F7283686CC4A40AD13D5240B02E43C@Kestner.local> Probably only in your admin mode... Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia > Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 18:23 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic > > Tiemo, > > on the pop up map, try single click. > > I think that was how I added mine... > > :D > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB > wrote: > > I am too dumb. Zooming into the map and double clicking it, opens a new > > window with the same map. Zooming into and double clicking zooms the map > to > > the max, but doesn't pin :( > > Tiemo > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 18:08 > >> An: How to use Revolution > >> Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic > >> > >> Tiemo, > >> > >> I think you went to the wrong place. There's only me there right now. > >> > >> :D > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 12:38:14 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:38:14 -0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B719BFB.4080702@gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> <4B719B27.2050506@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090928q2acedcb3w841e2a5063075ea6@mail.gmail.com> <4B719BFB.4080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002090938q4aa3ff66o106d8af163f2f024@mail.gmail.com> AAARRRGGGHHH! On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 09/02/2010 19:28, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> tried the single click on the pop up map? >> > > Yes, I have . . . no joy. >> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Richmond Mathewson >> ?wrote: >> >>> >>> On 09/02/2010 19:09, Andre Garzia wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Richmond, >>>> >>>> double click the spot and a form will appear! :D >>>> >>>> (or it is a single click) >>>> >>>> Andre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> No; the map just zooms in more. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 12:43:04 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:43:04 +0200 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090938q4aa3ff66o106d8af163f2f024@mail.gmail.com> References: <322253fe1002090750x502db4bbx794e7fc60853a3e3@mail.gmail.com> <322253fe1002090753n324622b9w6b64eb793082937e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090802j490dfb3ch8f76519a04a96fde@mail.gmail.com> <4B71921A.1050908@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090909w5db32143x67a84184e7b8b2a7@mail.gmail.com> <4B719B27.2050506@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090928q2acedcb3w841e2a5063075ea6@mail.gmail.com> <4B719BFB.4080702@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002090938q4aa3ff66o106d8af163f2f024@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B719EA8.3020203@gmail.com> On 09/02/2010 19:38, Andre Garzia wrote: > AAARRRGGGHHH! > > in Safari, Firefox and Stainless. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 9 13:27:00 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:27:00 -0800 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux Message-ID: <4B71A8F4.8030905@fourthworld.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Two problems. > > First problem is in my Debian install, and here the problem is any sort of > printing. Print card, print field, page setup. As a for example, create a > field, select it (this is in the IDE) and select Print from the file menu. > There seem not to be any printers. But every other application bar none can > print, and not only do I have a physical printer configured, I have cupspdf, > so I could print to pdf if it could see it or any of the printers that are > set up. > > Second problem was on Mandriva in another install. Here it was able to find > the printer, and to print to it, but it truncated the file, and it was > impossible to change the settings on the printer, for instance change the > orientation or change the percentage zoom, to fit it all in. If I recall > correctly, the settings were there, they just had no effect, it came out the > same no matter what you put them to. Once the RQCC # was posted here I checked it out under Ubuntu 9.1. There I was able to use revPrintField to print to a .ps file, after changing the page size from the default A4 to US Letter. I also checked using answer printer and answer page setup directly; both seem to work okay in that distro, at least partially: I've found that while I can change page sizes, any change to orientation (Landscape vs Portrait) seems to have no effect. I have not yet printed to a physical printer (I use mine only a few times a year); I'll try that soon. Could this issue be specific to KDE? To the others here: Can you please test this on whatever Linux distros you're using and add your comments to the RQCC report for this so we can pin this down: Thanks for you help on this. PS - An interesting side note in my testing: While using Rev under Ubuntu I found that opening the Dictionary slowed everything in Rev to a painful crawl. So I installed MetaCard there, and its Dictionary works very quickly with no adverse effect on overall performance as there was with Rev's. The main difference between Rev's Dictionary and MC's is that MC's doesn't parse XML files from disk, but instead has everything included as cards in a single stack (in modern systems we've seen no memory limitation which would require otherwise; stacks work fine for the Dictionary even with 1600 cards; "know the engine, trust the engine, use the engine" ). There are two things that come into play with the Rev Dictionary: file I/O, and XML parsing. I know from my work with WebMerge on Linux that file I/O there seems efficient, on par with the other platforms. So this has me wondering if the XML externals for Linux need a bit of a touch-up. Any of you using the XML lib with Rev on Linux? I tend to parse XML in script so I've not yet used it myself, and it would be good to confirm this hunch before I report it. I wonder if Ken's scripted library would outperform Rev's external on Linux: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 9 13:27:54 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:27:54 +0100 Subject: OT: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? Message-ID: Hello, One customer of mine can't start my Rev Apps on his new Win7 machine. After double clicking my App with admin rights and also with right mouse "as admin" just nothing happens, no window opens, no error message, no task running. The only thing is the windows event log, which tells about a very generic Application Error, EventID 1000. Up to now, my two rev apps are the only one with this strange behaviour. Both Apps run up to today on all other Win7 machines without any probs. After going behind this mysterious behaviour whole day long, googling, trying to switch off the virus scan and windows firewall I am not sure, if it is an issue of Rev or any other component on his machine. My suspicion is that it is related to the UAC or any other permission thing, but he has switched off his UAC to the lowest level, and I don't know what to check for now. Does anybody has seen this behaviour or has a hint, what to check for? Thanks for any ideas Tiemo From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 14:01:11 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:01:11 +0200 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? Message-ID: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> I have a series of image names for the type: f#.png where # can be a number anywhere between 1 and 6 figures long. what I need is to extract the number from the image name. SO, starting with on mouseEnter put the short name of me into NOMEN ................? From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 14:03:48 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:03:48 -1000 Subject: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002901caa9ba$9d01ea00$d705be00$@com> Tiemo Hollmann wrote: > One customer of mine can't start my Rev Apps on his new Win7 machine. > After > double clicking my App with admin rights and also with right mouse "as > admin" just nothing happens, no window opens, no error message, no task > running. The only thing is the windows event log, which tells about a > very > generic Application Error, EventID 1000. Up to now, my two rev apps are > the > only one with this strange behaviour. Both Apps run up to today on all > other > Win7 machines without any probs. > > After going behind this mysterious behaviour whole day long, googling, > trying to switch off the virus scan and windows firewall I am not sure, > if > it is an issue of Rev or any other component on his machine. My > suspicion is > that it is related to the UAC or any other permission thing, but he has > switched off his UAC to the lowest level, and I don't know what to > check for > now. > > Does anybody has seen this behaviour or has a hint, what to check for? > > Thanks for any ideas Do you use any externals at all like SSL? Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 14:12:57 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:12:57 +0200 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? Message-ID: <4B71B3B9.3070506@gmail.com> Silly really; replying to my own message again . . . :) --------------------------------------------------------- I have a series of image names for the type: f#.png where # can be a number anywhere between 1 and 6 figures long. what I need is to extract the number from the image name. SO, starting with on mouseEnter put the short name of me into NOMEN ................? -------------------------------------------------------- delete the last char of NOMEN delete the last char of NOMEN delete the last char of NOMEN delete the last char of NOMEN delete the first char of NOMEN why that never occurred to me before I just don't know. From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 9 14:18:19 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:18:19 -0500 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: <4B71B3B9.3070506@gmail.com> References: <4B71B3B9.3070506@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the first char of NOMEN In case you were yearning for a cuter solution: answer char 2 to the number of chars in NOMEN - 4 of NOMEN From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 14:18:38 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:18:38 -0500 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002090732p66ee9a45pd7dd9fb625aa67e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <7c87a2a11002090732p66ee9a45pd7dd9fb625aa67e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6AB4C81B-B493-4687-BC50-0D894BE6AE1C@gmail.com> So how do I put a pin in to mark my location? I can't find a way to do it using Firefox on Mac OS 10.5. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Since you guys asked, here it goes: > > http://wecode.org/map/ > > Now, share your location! :D I've already added myself there. The > interface is a pain but it works! > > Cheers > andre > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Sarah Reichelt > wrote: >> There used to be a Frappr map for Rev users, but they started >> charging >> for their maps :-( >> Does anyone know if there is there a similar thing we can do on >> another site? I think it would be fun to see who was where. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Ren? Micout > > wrote: >>> I felt like I have known this a few years ago... Was I seeing >>> things ? >>> Ren? >>> >>> Le 9 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : >>> >>>> Just a thought, >>>> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a >>>> group where >>>> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the >>>> cities I've >>>> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how >>>> wide >>>> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico >>>> probably >>>> is the most exotic, William :) >>>> Any idea? >>>> Tiemo >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revdev at pdslabs.net Tue Feb 9 14:18:52 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:18:52 -0800 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> References: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B71B51C.7040300@pdslabs.net> Hi Richmond, Here's another way: on mouseEnter put myNumber(the short name of me) end mouseEnter function myNumber pNOMEN set the itemDelimiter to "." return char 2 to -1 of item 1 of pNOMEN end myNumber Phil On 2/9/10 11:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I have a series of image names for the type: > > f#.png > > where # can be a number anywhere between 1 and 6 figures long. > > what I need is to extract the number from the image name. > > SO, starting with > > on mouseEnter > put the short name of me into NOMEN > > ................? -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 14:19:05 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:19:05 -0600 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> References: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002091119j7414dbf9k141c94c35c26f9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > I have a series of image names for the type: > > f#.png > > where # can be a number anywhere between 1 and 6 figures long. > > what I need is to extract the number from the image name. > > Try using a regular expression: function extractImageNumber pName local tNumber if matchText(pName,"f(\d+)\.*", tNumber) is false then return empty end if return tNumber end extractImageNumber Jeff M. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 14:30:22 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:30:22 +0200 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002091119j7414dbf9k141c94c35c26f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> <963c86eb1002091119j7414dbf9k141c94c35c26f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B71B7CE.4030701@gmail.com> On 09/02/2010 21:19, Jeff Massung wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Richmond Mathewson< > richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I have a series of image names for the type: >> >> f#.png >> >> where # can be a number anywhere between 1 and 6 figures long. >> >> what I need is to extract the number from the image name. >> >> >> > Try using a regular expression: > > function extractImageNumber pName > local tNumber > > if matchText(pName,"f(\d+)\.*", tNumber) is false then > return empty > end if > > return tNumber > end extractImageNumber > > Jeff M. > Thanks one and all for a marvellous selection of possible ways of doing things. NOW what I do need to know is which are the duck eggs and which are the drakes' ? "Aa can tell ye that missus, it's quite plain to be seen The duck eggs is white n' the drakes eggs is green," The Bellingham Show. From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 14:41:20 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:41:20 -1000 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: References: <4B71B3B9.3070506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01caa9bf$db705420$9250fc60$@com> Colin Holgate: > In case you were yearning for a cuter solution: > > answer char 2 to the number of chars in NOMEN - 4 of NOMEN Or just: char 2 to -4 of NOMEN ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 14:49:35 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:49:35 -1000 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: <002d01caa9bf$db705420$9250fc60$@com> References: <4B71B3B9.3070506@gmail.com> <002d01caa9bf$db705420$9250fc60$@com> Message-ID: <003101caa9c1$01fc1380$05f43a80$@com> Correction: Char 2 to -5 of NOMEN > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:41 AM > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: Getting some chars from a string? > > Colin Holgate: > > > In case you were yearning for a cuter solution: > > > > answer char 2 to the number of chars in NOMEN - 4 of NOMEN > > Or just: > > char 2 to -4 of NOMEN ;-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 9 15:03:07 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:03:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array Message-ID: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> I've spent a half an hour searching for something I used from the messagebox the other day. Someone I found something along these lines that was used to quickly view the contents of an array. answer "PrintKeys" blahh blahh blahh theDataA I can't find it anywhere, and don't remember what resource I found it on. Any help? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Quickly-View-Contents-Of-An-Array-tp1474936p1474936.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 9 15:13:47 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:13:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265746427952-1474960.post@n4.nabble.com> Nvm, Found it. For Search References: send "PrintKeys" to control "controlName" -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Quickly-View-Contents-Of-An-Array-tp1474936p1474960.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 9 16:04:46 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:04:46 -0800 Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> Printkeys() is a basic function for displaying the contents of an array. It does not to my knowledge handle nested arrays, and I believe it was written by Trevor DeVore as a utility to his sqlYoga utility, but I may be mistaken on that. Bob On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I've spent a half an hour searching for something I used from the messagebox > the other day. > > Someone I found something along these lines that was used to quickly view > the contents of an array. > > answer "PrintKeys" blahh blahh blahh theDataA > > I can't find it anywhere, and don't remember what resource I found it on. > Any help? > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Quickly-View-Contents-Of-An-Array-tp1474936p1474936.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From smudge.andy at googlemail.com Tue Feb 9 16:10:56 2010 From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:10:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: special folders In-Reply-To: <1D9FF56D-4E98-4D7F-B3FE-6478DF515488@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> References: <1D9FF56D-4E98-4D7F-B3FE-6478DF515488@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1265749856713-1475031.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi David, I've posted a Specil Folders utility stack to the RevOnline. Shows all Special Folder location on your system. Direct link here: http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/427/Special-Folders-Utility Andy -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/special-folders-tp331936p1475031.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 16:32:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:32:04 -0600 Subject: Another DataGrid question Message-ID: <963c86eb1002091332v5945ccudf766a458d78701b@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, can't find this in the documentation (although it's probably there and I'm just blind)... Is there a way for me to get the template group for the index of a DG? Something like... get the dgDataControl[2] of group "MyDataGrid" Jeff M. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 9 16:43:40 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:43:40 -0500 Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Printkeys() is a basic function for displaying the contents of an > array. It does not to my knowledge handle nested arrays, and I > believe it was written by Trevor DeVore as a utility to his sqlYoga > utility, but I may be mistaken on that. The Data Grid behavior has a PrintKeys command that will print out the dgData array. It supports nested arrays. SQL Yoga has a printKeys() function defined that will print out nested arrays as well. Since the engine provides no way of printing out arrays I added the above for troubleshooting purposes. I've filed an enhancement request for a function akin to print_r in PHP: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8425 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 9 16:50:15 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:15 -0500 Subject: Another DataGrid question In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002091332v5945ccudf766a458d78701b@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002091332v5945ccudf766a458d78701b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Sorry, can't find this in the documentation (although it's probably > there > and I'm just blind)... Is there a way for me to get the template > group for > the index of a DG? Something like... > > get the dgDataControl[2] of group "MyDataGrid" I don't think these is documented by you can access the dgDataControlOfIndex or dgDataControlOfLine properties IF you are using a Data Grid form: put the dgDataControlOfIndex[1] of group "DataGrid" Notes: If you are not caching controls then returns empty if index or line has no control associated with it because it is offscreen. For tables I see a ColumnControlOfIndex function in the source code. You can call it directly from any script nested within the Data Grid control. put ColumnControlOfIndex("column name", 3) into theControl May return an empty value. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From alex at tweedly.net Tue Feb 9 18:52:38 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:52:38 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> Message-ID: <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> I don't think this will work, Jim. If you open a file for write, then it erases the entire content of the file first as the docs say (emphasis added)... > The file to write to must be opened first with the open file command, > and the mode the file was opened in must be write, append, or update. > If the file is not open or is open read-only, the result function is > set to "File is not open for write.". > > If the file was opened in write mode, the write to file command > completely *replaces the file contents from the start.* For example, > if the file originally contains "ABC", and you write "1" to it, after > the write to file command is executed the file contains "1". And as you say, open for update does not allow you to truncate the file. The standard C library has a way to do it, and there is a Unix shell command - but not afaict a Windows shell utility to do it. -- Alex Jim Bufalini wrote: > Warren, > > >> I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). I need to write a >> utility that removes the last record of the file. Is there anyway to >> just remove the last record without reading through the complete file >> with RunRev? >> > > This is totally untested but "logically" you could: > > 1. First get the size of the file on disk and approximate a character offset > that should be only a few lines from the end of the file. > > 2. Then Open the file for read and read from file starting at the char > offset you calculated to EOF into a var and delete the last line of the var. > > > 3. Then Close the file and Open it again for write. > > 4. Now write the var to file at the same starting offset you read from. > > The reason you don't use open for update is that you want to open the file > for write, so that whatever you write to the file replaces everything from > the offset to the EOF. Update will replace chars and leave the last record > at the end. > > What I don't know here is if internally the read/write from file at start > still has to go through the entire file to calculate the starting offset, so > I don't know how long this will take on a file of your size. But, at least, > doing it this way won't require reading the whole file into memory and > should result in the last line being deleted from the file in the quickest > way available. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 9 19:05:10 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:05:10 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> Piggy-backing here: >>> I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). I need to write a >>> utility that removes the last record of the file. Is there anyway to >>> just remove the last record without reading through the complete file >>> with RunRev? It sounds like a big file, but Rev is pretty good about managing memory and swapping to disk. I'd be tempted to try this and see how it works: delete line -1 of url ("file:mytext.txt") Worth a test anyway. I've used it on files that were several megs in size without a problem, but they weren't super huge, just kinda big. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 9 19:05:42 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:05:42 -0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File Message-ID: <4B71F856.7030904@fourthworld.com> Would the seek command help? Presumably it would move the file pointer to the specified point without having to load the entire file into RAM. If you knew your lines were shorter than a given length, say 1000 chars, you could so something like: open file tFile for append seek relative -1000 in file tFile repeat read from file tFile until cr if it is not empty then put it after tBuffer else delete last line of tBuffer write tBuffer to file tFile end if end repeat close file tFile This is off the top of my head to test before using on real data. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 9 19:10:00 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:10:00 -0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File Message-ID: <4B71F958.9060902@fourthworld.com> See why you shouldn't trust off-the-cuff code? Where I wrote: open file tFile for append ...I meant to write: open file tFile for update -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 9 19:46:28 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:46:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record Message-ID: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> While not very pretty yet, I am trying to cobble together an update handler for updating a "Payment" record. It keeps trying to put NULL into "LeasePaymentDollars" field in my DB. This is weird because I check the SQL query its trying to execute and everything is as it should be. I have a sneaking suspicion that it has something to do with the tLeasePaymentDollars variables Data type. Here is the query that the handler is producing. Note: I first tried putting single quotes around the value and it did not work, so I tried it without and get the same result. UPDATE tleasepayments SET LeasePaymentDollars=1337.0000 AND CropSharePercent='N/A' AND Notes='None' WHERE LeaseID='1075' Here is the handler itself. on UpdatePayment pTable, pSetQuery, pConditional -- check the global connection ID to make sure we have a database connection global sDatabaseID if sDatabaseID is not a number then answer error "Please connect to the database first." exit to top end if -- edit these variables to match your database & table -- this assumes a table called Table1 with 3 fields put the text of field "fLeasePaymentDollars" into tLeasePaymentDollars put the text of field "fCropSharePercent" into tCropSharePercent if tCropSharePercent is empty then put "N/A" into tCropSharePercent put the text of field "fNotes" into tNotes if tNotes is empty then put "None" into tNotes put "tleasepayments" into pTable put "LeasePaymentDollars=" & tLeasePaymentDollars && "AND" && "CropSharePercent='" & tCropSharePercent & "'" && "AND" && "Notes='" & tNotes & "'" into pSetQuery put "WHERE LeaseID='" & thePaymentID & "'" into pConditions #Crop Year #LandOwner #PaymentDate put "UPDATE" && pTable && "SET" && pSetQuery && pConditions into tSQL -- construct the SQL - the :1, :2 & :3 placeholders in the SQL will be filled by variables in the revExecuteSQL line #UPDATE Table1 SET birthDate='12/06/1970' WHERE firstName='Mary' AND lastName='Smith' #put "UPDATE " & tTableName & " (" & tFields & ") VALUES (:1, :2, :3)" into tSQL put tSQL into field "test" -- send the SQL to the database, filling in the placeholders with data from variables #revExecuteSQL sDatabaseID, tSQL -- check the result and display the data or an error message if the result is a number then answer info "Record Updated." else answer error "There was a problem adding the record to the database:" & cr & the result end if end UpdatePayment wtf? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Problem-Updating-mySQL-Record-tp1475274p1475274.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 9 19:48:56 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:48:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> Message-ID: <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> I figured out later that it was a command for the DataGrid. I wish there was a print_r lol. Guess I'll have to write a little one :P. Thanks And is SQL Yoga worth it? My boss told me I can get whatever plugins I need to improve my productivity. I looked into it a bit but it seems to be what I have my DB handlers written for. What is the benefit of SQL Yoga vs Custom handlers? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Quickly-View-Contents-Of-An-Array-tp1474936p1475276.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 20:10:50 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:10:50 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <003b01caa9ed$e3349da0$a99dd8e0$@com> Alex, It does work, just not "exactly" how I said to do it. ;-) You have to open the file for "append*, instead of *write* and then write at a byte offset. So: open file "" for append write "This is the EOF" to file "" at XXXX close file "" I just tested on an approximately 10kb text file and if XXXX is 5000, the "This is the EOF" is written starting at byte 5000 and the file is terminated at the end of that string and the file data before byte 5000 is retained in the file and the file changes to an approximately a 5KB file, so the EOF is moved and the file is truncated. I really shouldn't dash these answers off from memory. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Alex Tweedly wrote: > I don't think this will work, Jim. If you open a file for write, then > it erases the entire content of the file first > > as the docs say (emphasis added)... > > The file to write to must be opened first with the open file command, > > and the mode the file was opened in must be write, append, or update. > > If the file is not open or is open read-only, the result function is > > set to "File is not open for write.". > > > > If the file was opened in write mode, the write to file command > > completely *replaces the file contents from the start.* For example, > > if the file originally contains "ABC", and you write "1" to it, after > > the write to file command is executed the file contains "1". > And as you say, open for update does not allow you to truncate the > file. > > The standard C library has a way to do it, and there is a Unix shell > command - but not afaict a Windows shell utility to do it. > > -- Alex > > > > Jim Bufalini wrote: > > Warren, > > > > > >> I have a large text file (100,000,000+ records). I need to write a > >> utility that removes the last record of the file. Is there anyway > to > >> just remove the last record without reading through the complete > file > >> with RunRev? > >> > > > > This is totally untested but "logically" you could: > > > > 1. First get the size of the file on disk and approximate a character > offset > > that should be only a few lines from the end of the file. > > > > 2. Then Open the file for read and read from file starting at the > char > > offset you calculated to EOF into a var and delete the last line of > the var. > > > > > > 3. Then Close the file and Open it again for write. > > > > 4. Now write the var to file at the same starting offset you read > from. > > > > The reason you don't use open for update is that you want to open the > file > > for write, so that whatever you write to the file replaces everything > from > > the offset to the EOF. Update will replace chars and leave the last > record > > at the end. > > > > What I don't know here is if internally the read/write from file at > start > > still has to go through the entire file to calculate the starting > offset, so > > I don't know how long this will take on a file of your size. But, at > least, > > doing it this way won't require reading the whole file into memory > and > > should result in the last line being deleted from the file in the > quickest > > way available. > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 20:32:20 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:32:20 +1000 Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record In-Reply-To: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > While not very pretty yet, I am trying to cobble together an update handler > for updating a "Payment" record. > > It keeps trying to put NULL into "LeasePaymentDollars" field in my DB. This > is weird because I check the SQL query its trying to execute and everything > is as it should be. > > I have a sneaking suspicion that it has something to do with the > tLeasePaymentDollars variables Data type. > > Here is the query that the handler is producing. Note: I first tried putting > single quotes around the value and it did not work, so I tried it without > and get the same result. > > UPDATE tleasepayments SET LeasePaymentDollars=1337.0000 AND > CropSharePercent='N/A' AND Notes='None' WHERE LeaseID='1075' There doesn't appear to be any problem with this SQL. What is the data type for LeasePaymentDollars in the database table? When you execute the query, do you get an error report? Cheers, Sarah From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 20:37:59 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:37:59 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> Jacque wrote: > Worth a test anyway. I've used it on files that were several megs in > size without a problem, but they weren't super huge, just kinda big. Hi Jacque, I made the suggestion I did because at 100 Million records plus, that's an awfully big read into memory just to delete the last line, so I figured it's better to work with the file on disk. I just remembered the params for open file wrong and Alex caught it. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 20:43:40 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:43:40 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B71F958.9060902@fourthworld.com> References: <4B71F958.9060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <003d01caa9f2$79636fa0$6c2a4ee0$@com> Hey Richard, Well now we presumably have three different ways to do it. Sounds like a job for Mr. Gaskin to test which is the fastest. I'd offer to test but am plumb out of 100 MM record data files. LOL. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:10 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File > > See why you shouldn't trust off-the-cuff code? > > Where I wrote: > > open file tFile for append > > ...I meant to write: > > open file tFile for update > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 9 21:23:09 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:23:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record In-Reply-To: References: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265768589568-1475325.post@n4.nabble.com> Originally I had a database error saying that the field cannot be null. I changed it in the table to allow null and see what it was placing. No errors after I made it nullable. The fields Datatype is decimal and the length is 19,4. I am fairly baffled. Is this a rev problem or a mySQL problem? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Problem-Updating-mySQL-Record-tp1475274p1475325.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From infinite00 at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 9 21:59:20 2010 From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:59:20 -0500 Subject: Noise in Windows icon when standalone compiled on Mac In-Reply-To: <4B6DD31E.6040709@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100203105455.AA6432882E7@mail.runrev.com> <4B69BF9E.9060506@hyperactivesw.com> <00920441-2E8A-4A5C-91CB-17C3107D67ED@embarqmail.com> <4B6DD31E.6040709@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2010, at 3:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Bruce Pokras wrote: > >> But what happened to "write once and compile for multiple >> platforms" when you need separate computers to make the apps look >> right? I don't buy the excuse that some kind of "improvement" >> makes Rev 4 unable to do as good a job with an icon as Rev 3.5 >> did. That is not an improvement in my mind, and I hope that the >> Rev developers don't think so either. > > It doesn't bother me at all. Icons are an external resource and > we've always needed a third-party app to create them. The old way > of embedding Windows icons was based on Windows 95 and had some > unusual requirements even back then. I'm sure you've bumped up > against the restrictions for icon size, color depth, number of > icons in the file, etc. With Vista and Win 7 it became apparent > that the file structure needed to be updated so that Rev apps would > function like any other on that platform and comply with standards. > > So all that is required is that you use a different icon editor > than the one you used to use, one that creates icons that fit with > today's file structure. I don't know what you were using before, > but for now there aren't many Mac alternatives. If someday one > appears, you can use that one and not need a Windows machine. > > There were some good reasons to change the file structure, > including the ability to certify your Windows apps with a manifest, > just like any other Windows program. That's necessary in today's > more restrictive Windows environment. Vista introduced some stiff > security measures and your app is more likely to fail if it doesn't > comply. That change doesn't mean that Rev is deficient -- in fact, > it indicates that Rev is keeping up with the OS -- but it does mean > you need to change the icon editor you use. Virtually any newer > Windows icon editor will work. To date, almost no Mac one will. > > What were you using before? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > Jacque, I used the now unsupported Iconographer. BTW, I used the free Windows app you suggested on my "new" XP laptop to convert my OS X icon to a Windows icon and it worked great. Thanks. Regards, Bruce Pokras Blazing Dawn Software www.blazingdawn.com From michaell at unimelb.edu.au Tue Feb 9 22:17:58 2010 From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael Lew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:17:58 +1100 Subject: Properly formatted large numbers Message-ID: Dear Listers I'm working on some statistical simulations and regularly get output numbers with anything from 1 to 7 digits. They are hard to read when they don't have the conventional commas separating the thousands and millions. I've written a simple function that does the comma formatting for me but it mucks up sorting. Of course. (I'm using a datagrid to display the results and live sorting is really handy.) Does anyone have an easy way to deal with this? I'm tempted to use a fixed pitch font so that larger numbers always look longer, but that would be a kludgey workaround. (I note that in OSX the Finder puts separators in the correct places in large numbers using the settings of the International System Preferences.) Regards, Michael -- Michael J Lew Senior Lecturer Department of Pharmacology email: michaell at unimelb.edu.au phone: +61 3 8344 7812 From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 22:24:07 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:24:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: SVG from IREV server question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <236753.1958.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Perhaps someone with some fresh eyes can help me out. I'm trying to serve up an SVG image from the IREV server. I started with a PHP script that works: ---------------------------------------- '; ?> ---------------------------------------- Converting to an irev file, I tried out a few different lines to send out the header and the xml info, but nothing worked. Has anyone made this work? Thanks in advance, Mike From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 9 22:31:16 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:31:16 -0500 Subject: go card in revLet Message-ID: I have been building a revlet as a proof of concept. It worked great and as I put more features into it I have run into the 'go card' problem. The thing is if I have a series of commands running and click the next card button then it waits until the commands are done and will go to the card, but if I wait until the series of commands are done and then click the next card button it immediately crashes the browser, every time. I do have a splash screen that loads , waits, and then goes to the next card and it doesn't crash. but any subsequent GO commands crash. What are the other issues that people are having with the GO command??? I would like to either track this down or find a workaround. Thanks in advance, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 9 22:56:15 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:56:15 -1000 Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record In-Reply-To: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <004101caaa04$fea9c350$fbfd49f0$@com> Hi Andrew, It's difficult to look at long code in an email especially when lines are wrapped. So you may want to make available a sample stack that contains enough code that demonstrates what isn't working for download (don't try to attach it to an email to this list). In this case it should also have the schema of the DB. Also, for me to really look at code, I like to see explicit variable declaration (my preference). But, just looking through the below (and I assume you copied this right out of your editor) there are a couple of anomalies that I see: 1. *if tCropSharePercent is empty then put "N/A" into tCropSharePercent* Is this column typed as numeric in your DB schema? 2. *put "tleasepayments" into pTable* Shouldn't this be the opposite? 3. Your construction of pSetQuery and pConditions together with the comment lines are difficult to read in this email. Try using the *format* command and "wrap" your lines using the "\" char, even in a stack script. This will allow more people to easily read, jump in, and pick up on what may be the problem and you will get the answer you need from this list a lot quicker. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Andrew Kluthe wrote: > While not very pretty yet, I am trying to cobble together an update > handler > for updating a "Payment" record. > > It keeps trying to put NULL into "LeasePaymentDollars" field in my DB. > This > is weird because I check the SQL query its trying to execute and > everything > is as it should be. > > I have a sneaking suspicion that it has something to do with the > tLeasePaymentDollars variables Data type. > > Here is the query that the handler is producing. Note: I first tried > putting > single quotes around the value and it did not work, so I tried it > without > and get the same result. > > UPDATE tleasepayments SET LeasePaymentDollars=1337.0000 AND > CropSharePercent='N/A' AND Notes='None' WHERE LeaseID='1075' > > Here is the handler itself. > > on UpdatePayment pTable, pSetQuery, pConditional > -- check the global connection ID to make sure we have a database > connection > global sDatabaseID > if sDatabaseID is not a number then > answer error "Please connect to the database first." > exit to top > end if > > -- edit these variables to match your database & table > -- this assumes a table called Table1 with 3 fields > > > > put the text of field "fLeasePaymentDollars" into > tLeasePaymentDollars > put the text of field "fCropSharePercent" into tCropSharePercent > if tCropSharePercent is empty then put "N/A" into tCropSharePercent > > put the text of field "fNotes" into tNotes > if tNotes is empty then put "None" into tNotes > > put "tleasepayments" into pTable > put "LeasePaymentDollars=" & tLeasePaymentDollars && "AND" && > "CropSharePercent='" & tCropSharePercent & "'" && "AND" && "Notes='" & > tNotes & "'" into pSetQuery > put "WHERE LeaseID='" & thePaymentID & "'" into pConditions > #Crop Year > #LandOwner > #PaymentDate > > put "UPDATE" && pTable && "SET" && pSetQuery && pConditions into > tSQL > -- construct the SQL - the :1, :2 & :3 placeholders in the SQL will > be > filled by variables in the revExecuteSQL line > #UPDATE Table1 SET birthDate='12/06/1970' WHERE firstName='Mary' > AND > lastName='Smith' > #put "UPDATE " & tTableName & " (" & tFields & ") VALUES (:1, :2, > :3)" > into tSQL > put tSQL into field "test" > -- send the SQL to the database, filling in the placeholders with > data > from variables > #revExecuteSQL sDatabaseID, tSQL > > -- check the result and display the data or an error message > if the result is a number then > answer info "Record Updated." > else > answer error "There was a problem adding the record to the > database:" & cr & the result > end if > end UpdatePayment > > > > wtf? > > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Problem-Updating- > mySQL-Record-tp1475274p1475274.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 9 23:16:19 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:16:19 -0200 Subject: SVG from IREV server question In-Reply-To: <236753.1958.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <236753.1958.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002092016o19fefb4t100e6232a3d220e1@mail.gmail.com> tried: put header "Content-Type: image/svg+xml" or (should not work, but it might) put new header "Content-Type: image/svg+xml" Andre On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > Perhaps someone with some fresh eyes can help me out. I'm trying to serve up an SVG image from the IREV server. I started with a PHP script that works: > ---------------------------------------- > ?header('Content-Type: image/svg+xml'); > ?echo ''; > ?> > > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > > > ---------------------------------------- > Converting to an irev file, I tried out a few different lines to send out the header and the xml info, but nothing worked. Has anyone made this work? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Feb 10 00:14:24 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:14:24 +1100 Subject: Properly formatted large numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can you have two columns - one formatted, one not - and somehow apply the sort to the unformatted column. I guess the unformatted column would have to be of invisible and you'd need to have some way of trapping the selection of the column header. You might need Trevor's help there. Terry... On 10/02/10 2:17 PM, "Michael Lew" wrote: > Dear Listers > > I'm working on some statistical simulations and regularly get output numbers > with anything from 1 to 7 digits. They are hard to read when they don't have > the conventional commas separating the thousands and millions. I've written > a simple function that does the comma formatting for me but it mucks up > sorting. Of course. (I'm using a datagrid to display the results and live > sorting is really handy.) > > Does anyone have an easy way to deal with this? I'm tempted to use a fixed > pitch font so that larger numbers always look longer, but that would be a > kludgey workaround. > > (I note that in OSX the Finder puts separators in the correct places in > large numbers using the settings of the International System Preferences.) > > Regards, > Michael From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 10 00:58:44 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:58:44 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> Message-ID: <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Jacque wrote: > >> Worth a test anyway. I've used it on files that were several megs in >> size without a problem, but they weren't super huge, just kinda big. > > Hi Jacque, I made the suggestion I did because at 100 Million records plus 100 million? Yes, well...I think I read the zeros wrong. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 10 01:59:47 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:59:47 -0800 Subject: ANN: InfoWallet upgraded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18423341031.20100209225947@ahsoftware.net> Bill- Sunday, February 7, 2010, 11:00:10 PM, you wrote: > The new version (1.1.05) of InfoWallet has been released as a free upgrade. ...and it's noted on today's Macintouch... congratulations on getting the release out the door. http://www.macintouch.com/ -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bvlahos at mac.com Wed Feb 10 02:01:46 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:01:46 -0800 Subject: ANN: InfoWallet upgraded In-Reply-To: <18423341031.20100209225947@ahsoftware.net> References: <18423341031.20100209225947@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <40557FA2-AB84-4B6B-87E2-3942B59F914A@mac.com> Thanks. Will you be at Macworld? I will. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bill- > > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 11:00:10 PM, you wrote: > >> The new version (1.1.05) of InfoWallet has been released as a free upgrade. > > ...and it's noted on today's Macintouch... congratulations on getting > the release out the door. > > http://www.macintouch.com/ > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 02:20:36 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:20:36 +0000 Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002081600ja10119dpc9e9471279b07250@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002081600ja10119dpc9e9471279b07250@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Now, i am looking for advice to create an index structure for searching > specific words inside article's text. i have been unable to implement > a fast search algorithm, using multiple words, similar to Wikipedia's > own search engine. Every idea or advice is welcome. Can I just clarify your problem? You want to be able to search for phrases (partial sentences, possibly with boolean logic) inside the text stored in the xml nodes of the article, once the article is found in the index? Bernard From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 02:34:01 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:34:01 +0000 Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux In-Reply-To: <4B71A8F4.8030905@fourthworld.com> References: <4B71A8F4.8030905@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > PS - ?An interesting side note in my testing: ?While using Rev under Ubuntu > I found that opening the Dictionary slowed everything in Rev to a painful > crawl. ?So I installed MetaCard there, and its Dictionary works very quickly > with no adverse effect on overall performance as there was with Rev's. That's interesting. I posited in one bug report that I thought that the look up to the documentation might be the cause of the impossibly slow movement via arrow keys in the Script Editor. http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8495 There are other issues with dramatic loss of performance in Rev on Linux to do with field display: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8513 I tried to use MetaCard on Linux late last year, but just couldn't get used to it. I guess I'm dependent on the added value that Runrev have provided. Bernard From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 10 02:59:59 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:59:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux In-Reply-To: <4B71A8F4.8030905@fourthworld.com> References: <201002081031.08972.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <4B71A8F4.8030905@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1265788799454-1475475.post@n4.nabble.com> We have a couple of completely clean installs of Debian (don't ask...), so can have a go on one of them. Also I have someplace a Mandriva install, so will try to dig it out and verify that again with 4.0. Give me a couple of days, not moving very fast right now. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Reference-maybe-Live-Distribution-for-Rev-Linux-tp1472761p1475475.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 10 03:06:33 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:06:33 +0100 Subject: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <002901caa9ba$9d01ea00$d705be00$@com> Message-ID: <2D45CBDBA895447C8F3603CB2C0F7442@Kestner.local> Hi Jim, only revzip and revxml My customer now told me, that the icon of my app has the blue-yellow "Win7 admin shield" (don't know the correct name). I know that this has anything to do with permission / user rights, but I don't know what exactly and why this only affects my Rev Apps and not all his other Apps. Tiemo > > Do you use any externals at all like SSL? > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 04:16:59 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:16:59 +0200 Subject: RevNix ? Message-ID: <4B72798B.4030408@gmail.com> This looks jolly interesting: http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ I will try, within the next month, to pump out a "RUBUNTU" (well, not with that name), or "RABID ROTTWEILER" (well, one has to think up a suitably stupid name for the distro to keep 'in' with Ubuntu's stupid names. From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com Wed Feb 10 04:34:38 2010 From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:34:38 -0600 Subject: For Sale: Source Code and Full Rights Message-ID: <4B727DAE.1020208@dreamscapesoftware.com> Hello All, I am looking for anyone interested in purchasing the Source Code and Full Rights to one of Dreamscape Software's most successful programs, JPEGCompress. http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress/ The reason I am looking to sell the source code and full rights is because I have become part of a new venture that requires my full attention, and I am unable to continue spending time developing JPEGCompress. JPEGCompress has undergone about 10 years worth of development, which has resulted in a slew of new features that extend the functionality of the program way beyond basic compression. And with the addition of Graphic Effects in Revolution 4.0, and improvements in Image Exporting and Color Reduction in Revolution 4.5, JPEGCompress stands to receive even more new features that will help to increase it's value to the consumer. I am looking to sell JPEGCompress for (US) $3,000.00, or best offer. The sale would include all of the following... 1. JPEGCompress 3.0 Source Code The current version publicly available is version 2.9.6. This means you could buy the program, release the new version, and start to make your investment back immediately. See what's in version 3.0 here: http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress/help/topic02.html 2. JPEGCompress Licensed Users Information You get the entire database of customers, as well as all of their contact and order information. 3. JPEGCompress Web Page, Ordering and Maintenance Scripts A lot of what JPEGCompress does is supported by numerous PHP scripts. You get them all so you can start selling and maintaining JPEGCompress immediately. 4. Full Rights to the program name and it's logo. 5. All Development Files, Backups, Graphics, Icons, etc. 6. 4 Free Support Sessions (aka: I help if you get stuck) In other words, you get everything related to JPEGCompress, even it's 4 1/2 Star rating on Download.com. Check out the web site, try the Evaluation version, and do some Google searches. If anyone is interested, or would like to make an offer, then please contact me off-list and I would be more than happy to discuss the offer. Thanks! Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 10 04:58:31 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:58:31 +0000 Subject: Properly formatted large numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B728347.4040304@tweedly.net> Michael Lew wrote: > Dear Listers > > I'm working on some statistical simulations and regularly get output numbers > with anything from 1 to 7 digits. They are hard to read when they don't have > the conventional commas separating the thousands and millions. I've written > a simple function that does the comma formatting for me but it mucks up > sorting. Of course. (I'm using a datagrid to display the results and live > sorting is really handy.) > I've not yet used a datagrid, so this is a guess .... can you supply a custom sort function ? Something like function testLessThan p1, p2 replace comma with empty in p1 replace comma with empty in p2 return p1 < p2 end testLessThan -- Alex. From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Feb 10 05:58:02 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:58:02 -1000 Subject: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <2D45CBDBA895447C8F3603CB2C0F7442@Kestner.local> References: <002901caa9ba$9d01ea00$d705be00$@com> <2D45CBDBA895447C8F3603CB2C0F7442@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <006601caaa3f$eb16c500$c1444f00$@com> Tiemo Hollmann wrote: > only revzip and revxml > > My customer now told me, that the icon of my app has the blue-yellow > "Win7 > admin shield" (don't know the correct name). > I know that this has anything to do with permission / user rights, but > I > don't know what exactly and why this only affects my Rev Apps and not > all > his other Apps. OK, so given this, it's not that your Rev app is not launching on a particular machine (which is why I started exploring externals). It's that it is being blocked from running on a particular machine (big difference ;-). So a new line of questioning for you and your customer... 1. When he boots the machine does it go to a login screen or does Windows just come up? 2. Does he have any third-party firewall installed (like Norton, McAfee, AVG, etc.) or is he just using the default Windows firewall? 3. Is your app set to auto-launch on boot/login? 4. Where is this "shield?" Is it on the desktop or does it appear in the System Tray when your app is launched? 5. What are the options if he right-clicks on the shield? You might get him to install something like the free Microsoft SharedView on his system, so you can take it over and see for yourself what is going on. But, it is now sounding like not a Rev issue but a permissions/firewall issue and your app is either blacklisted or requires admin privileges to run. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 10 06:03:09 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:03:09 +0100 Subject: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <006601caaa3f$eb16c500$c1444f00$@com> Message-ID: <7D66D1743BD746EF9C943F5208BBFC3B@Kestner.local> Hi Jim, thanks for your hints, I will follow them and get back. It's already late over there, you're still up? :) Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Bufalini > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 11:58 > An: 'How to use Revolution' > Betreff: RE: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? > > Tiemo Hollmann wrote: > > > only revzip and revxml > > > > My customer now told me, that the icon of my app has the blue-yellow > > "Win7 > > admin shield" (don't know the correct name). > > I know that this has anything to do with permission / user rights, but > > I > > don't know what exactly and why this only affects my Rev Apps and not > > all > > his other Apps. > > OK, so given this, it's not that your Rev app is not launching on a > particular machine (which is why I started exploring externals). It's that > it is being blocked from running on a particular machine (big difference > ;-). So a new line of questioning for you and your customer... > > 1. When he boots the machine does it go to a login screen or does Windows > just come up? > > 2. Does he have any third-party firewall installed (like Norton, McAfee, > AVG, etc.) or is he just using the default Windows firewall? > > 3. Is your app set to auto-launch on boot/login? > > 4. Where is this "shield?" Is it on the desktop or does it appear in the > System Tray when your app is launched? > > 5. What are the options if he right-clicks on the shield? > > You might get him to install something like the free Microsoft SharedView > on > his system, so you can take it over and see for yourself what is going on. > But, it is now sounding like not a Rev issue but a permissions/firewall > issue and your app is either blacklisted or requires admin privileges to > run. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 06:50:49 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:50:49 +1000 Subject: Time & date [completely OT] Message-ID: Over here, it is now 10 to 10 on 10-2-10 :-) (since we have our dates in d-m-y order) Cheers, Sarah From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 07:02:21 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:02:21 +0200 Subject: Time & date [completely OT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B72A04D.4060401@gmail.com> On 10/02/2010 13:50, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Over here, it is now 10 to 10 on 10-2-10 :-) > > (since we have our dates in d-m-y order) > > It has always escaped me why US dates are m-d-y d-m-y or y-m-d makes some sort of sense; moving from finer-grained division to coarser, or vice versa. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 08:02:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:02:23 +0200 Subject: Devawriter Message-ID: <4B72AE5F.8080007@gmail.com> For ALL of you who just cannot stop writing Sanskrit letters to your uncle who is a sadhu at Rishikesh a new version of Devawriter is available here: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html 1.0.7 This one has a floating palette that gives latin transcription values for Devanagari characters. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From warrenkuhl at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 08:06:49 2010 From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:06:49 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions. I will look into trying some of them to see what works best for me. The file currently contains 105,750,304 records. I will report back my findings. Thanks, Warren On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Jim Bufalini wrote: >> >> Jacque wrote: >> >>> Worth a test anyway. I've used it on files that were several megs in >>> size without a problem, but they weren't super huge, just kinda big. >> >> Hi Jacque, I made the suggestion I did because at 100 Million records plus > > 100 million? Yes, well...I think I read the zeros wrong. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 08:07:40 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:07:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: SVG from IREV server question In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002092016o19fefb4t100e6232a3d220e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <646683.29772.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Andre, thank you very much. Both of your solutions work. --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Andre Garzia wrote: > From: Andre Garzia > Subject: Re: SVG from IREV server question > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:16 PM > tried: > > put header "Content-Type: image/svg+xml" > > or (should not work, but it might) > > put new header "Content-Type: image/svg+xml" > > Andre > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Michael Kann > wrote: > > Perhaps someone with some fresh eyes can help me out. > I'm trying to serve up an SVG image from the IREV server. I > started with a PHP script that works: > > ---------------------------------------- > > > ?header('Content-Type: image/svg+xml'); > > ?echo ' standalone="no"?>'; > > ?> > > > > > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Converting to an irev file, I tried out a few > different lines to send out the header and the xml info, but > nothing worked. Has anyone made this work? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 08:35:45 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record In-Reply-To: <004101caaa04$fea9c350$fbfd49f0$@com> References: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> <004101caaa04$fea9c350$fbfd49f0$@com> Message-ID: <1265808945117-1475785.post@n4.nabble.com> DATABASE TABLE STRUCTURE of tleasepayments LeaseIDint(11) NOT NULL LeaseNamevarchar(50) NOT NULL LeaseCropYearsmallint(5) NOT NULL LandOwnerID varchar(40) NOT NULL LeasePaymentDate timestamp NOT NULL LeasePaymentDollars decimal(19,4) NULL <------- The problem field. CropSharePercent decimal(18,4) NULL AssetIDvarchar(25) NULL Notesvarchar(255) NULL It must be my query because even when given directly to the database (not through rev) it still does not update correctly and puts null in all the nullable values. I realized I was trying to put a string into CropSharePercent and fixed it to put zero instead. But it still does the same thing it was. The below code outputs this query. UPDATE tleasepayments SET LeasePaymentDollars=21337.0000 AND CropSharePercent='0' AND Notes='None' WHERE LeaseID='1213' Should I ditch the single quotes on variables that are decimals or integers? In my DB if the datatype is decimal can it have a "0" value or must it be "0.0"? I cleaned up the code a bit. And explained the questionable variables, but am hesitant to spend time pulling this out of my program and into a stack for the sake of figuring out my query problems. At this point I am very sure I am mismatching datatypes in my DB or setting my query up wrong. on UpdatePayment pTable, pSetQuery, pConditional -- check the global connection ID to make sure we have a database connection global sDatabaseID if sDatabaseID is not a number then answer error "Please connect to the database first." exit to top end if put the text of field "fLeasePaymentDollars" into tLeasePaymentDollars put the text of field "fCropSharePercent" into tCropSharePercent if tCropSharePercent is empty then put "0" into tCropSharePercent put the text of field "fNotes" into tNotes if tNotes is empty then put "None" into tNotes #below are just place holders for passing my parameters eventually. put "tleasepayments" into pTable put "LeasePaymentDollars=" & tLeasePaymentDollars &&\ "AND" && "CropSharePercent='" & tCropSharePercent & "'" &&\ "AND" && "Notes='" & tNotes & "'" into pSetQuery put "WHERE LeaseID='" & thePaymentID & "'" into pConditions #Crop Year #LandOwner #PaymentDate put "UPDATE" && pTable && "SET" && pSetQuery && pConditions into tSQL #dump the query So I can See what it is putting out put tSQL into field "test" -- send the SQL to the database revExecuteSQL sDatabaseID, tSQL -- check the result and display the data or an error message if the result is a number then answer info "Record Updated." else answer error "There was a problem adding the record to the database:" & cr & the result end if end UpdatePayment -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Problem-Updating-mySQL-Record-tp1475274p1475785.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 08:49:14 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:49:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record In-Reply-To: <1265808945117-1475785.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> <004101caaa04$fea9c350$fbfd49f0$@com> <1265808945117-1475785.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265809754164-1475811.post@n4.nabble.com> Ok, I have spent some time trying to smooth that query out. I got the query to work if I took out LeasePaymentDollars=1337.0000 I also got the query to work if I take everything BUT LeasePaymentDollars out. I didn't re-write the query and the spellings/syntax are the exact same. So it works when broken up but not when put together? Wtf? Bizzare. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Problem-Updating-mySQL-Record-tp1475274p1475811.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bvg at mac.com Wed Feb 10 09:00:54 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:00:54 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Hi I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 Caveats: This could be a spam magnet, I'll test it out and if it doesn't work, I'll delete it again. I tried to import the old map from Frappr. However, there where several problems, so I opted to not use that import, and start fresh. Some example problems: Images didn't come trough There where more incomplete or broken entries then "real" ones Those entries which did work where strangely merged ie. the name would be put into the "comment" field, doubled text, etc. Have fun Bj?rnke On 9 Feb 2010, at 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Just a thought, > isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where > everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've > visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide > spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably > is the most exotic, William :) > Any idea? -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From bvg at mac.com Wed Feb 10 09:07:21 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:07:21 +0100 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> References: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> Message-ID: you already got a few interesting entries to try, but I haven't seen this one. I'd use this, because I suck at regexp and because one never know if someone added a suffix of "jpeg" or "jpg" or "j" or... function removeSuffix theName set the itemdelimiter to "." return item 1 to -2 of theName end removeSuffix On 9 Feb 2010, at 20:01, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I have a series of image names for the type: > > f#.png > > where # can be a number anywhere between 1 and 6 figures long. > > what I need is to extract the number from the image name. > > SO, starting with > > on mouseEnter > put the short name of me into NOMEN > > ................? -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed Feb 10 09:20:34 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:20:34 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Message-ID: <54714A52-E3AB-4220-AAD9-A0A15DA84A39@numericable.com> Hello, Where click "save to my maps" ? Ren? Le 10 f?vr. 2010 ? 15:00, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit : > Hi > > I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > Caveats: > > This could be a spam magnet, I'll test it out and if it doesn't work, I'll delete it again. > > I tried to import the old map from Frappr. However, there where several problems, so I opted to not use that import, and start fresh. Some example problems: > Images didn't come trough > There where more incomplete or broken entries then "real" ones > Those entries which did work where strangely merged ie. the name would be put into the "comment" field, doubled text, etc. > > Have fun > Bj?rnke > > On 9 Feb 2010, at 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >> Just a thought, >> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where >> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've >> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide >> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably >> is the most exotic, William :) >> Any idea? > > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed Feb 10 09:23:43 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:23:43 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Message-ID: <9D25F64A-35F2-49E9-9313-795DAC038FD8@numericable.com> I think it is good now... But it is not simple to understand interface !! Thanks Ren? Le 10 f?vr. 2010 ? 15:00, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit : > Hi > > I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > Caveats: > > This could be a spam magnet, I'll test it out and if it doesn't work, I'll delete it again. > > I tried to import the old map from Frappr. However, there where several problems, so I opted to not use that import, and start fresh. Some example problems: > Images didn't come trough > There where more incomplete or broken entries then "real" ones > Those entries which did work where strangely merged ie. the name would be put into the "comment" field, doubled text, etc. > > Have fun > Bj?rnke > > On 9 Feb 2010, at 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >> Just a thought, >> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where >> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've >> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide >> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably >> is the most exotic, William :) >> Any idea? > > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 09:40:35 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:40:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem Updating mySQL Record In-Reply-To: <1265809754164-1475811.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265762788218-1475274.post@n4.nabble.com> <004101caaa04$fea9c350$fbfd49f0$@com> <1265808945117-1475785.post@n4.nabble.com> <1265809754164-1475811.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265812835135-1475880.post@n4.nabble.com> The ANDs were jacking my query up. Commas used instead makes it work just as it should. UPDATE tleasepayments SET LeasePaymentDollars=21337.0000 , CropSharePercent='0' , Notes='PUT SOME NOTES HERE' WHERE LeaseID='1214' grr, COMMAS!!!!! You win this time... -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Problem-Updating-mySQL-Record-tp1475274p1475880.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 09:56:58 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:56:58 -0400 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002100656v7b213b96q8b54f712d455d2f0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bernard, on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:20:36 +0000 Bernard Devlin wrote: > Can I just clarify your problem? You want to be able to search for > phrases (partial sentences, possibly with boolean logic) inside the > text stored in the xml nodes of the article, once the article is found > in the index? No, it's not a search inside the displayed article. It's a global search, within a general index created using all words from all articles of Wikipedia. (I do not believe that it's necessary to load this full index in memory, instead just open specific parts of this index when users start searching) For this reason, i am looking for advice to create an index structure that allows to implement a fast search algorithm, using multiple words (and boolean logic, if possible), similar to Wikipedia's own search engine or (better yet) just like google. :-) Many thanks for your interest in this question! Alejandro From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:30:23 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:30:23 +0000 Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002100656v7b213b96q8b54f712d455d2f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002100656v7b213b96q8b54f712d455d2f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > No, it's not a search inside the displayed article. > It's a global search, within a general index created > using all words from all articles of Wikipedia. > (I do not believe that it's necessary to load this full > index in memory, instead just open specific parts > of this index when users start searching) OK, so that's why you mention the different files for each letter of the alphabet. I'm still a bit confused. Normally an index would indicate a location for an indexed term That's what I assume your general index files are doing. What are the key terms like in this index, and what do they point to? Can you give us some examples? > For this reason, i am looking for advice to create an > index structure that allows to implement a fast search > algorithm, using multiple words (and boolean logic, if > possible), similar to Wikipedia's own search engine or > (better yet) just like google. :-) To my confused and befuddled mind, it sounds like you are wanting to create an index of the index. That can't be right :-) I'm no expert in search algorithms. I have been hoping someone else would jump in who has done this kind of thing before. Are you wanting a pure, rev-only solution i.e. are you doing this to demonstrate what can be done using Rev alone? Bernard From nealk3nc at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:13:21 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:13:21 -0500 Subject: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <7D66D1743BD746EF9C943F5208BBFC3B@Kestner.local> References: <006601caaa3f$eb16c500$c1444f00$@com> <7D66D1743BD746EF9C943F5208BBFC3B@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <325413301002100813g4029f09y73209b6a3238595c@mail.gmail.com> Another thing to try is just moving the application to your Library->Documents folder. It could in a UAC protected folder which will not allow it to run (I have witnessed this a zillion times). Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Jim, > thanks for your hints, I will follow them and get back. > It's already late over there, you're still up? :) > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Bufalini > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 11:58 > > An: 'How to use Revolution' > > Betreff: RE: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? > > > > Tiemo Hollmann wrote: > > > > > only revzip and revxml > > > > > > My customer now told me, that the icon of my app has the blue-yellow > > > "Win7 > > > admin shield" (don't know the correct name). > > > I know that this has anything to do with permission / user rights, but > > > I > > > don't know what exactly and why this only affects my Rev Apps and not > > > all > > > his other Apps. > > > > OK, so given this, it's not that your Rev app is not launching on a > > particular machine (which is why I started exploring externals). It's > that > > it is being blocked from running on a particular machine (big difference > > ;-). So a new line of questioning for you and your customer... > > > > 1. When he boots the machine does it go to a login screen or does Windows > > just come up? > > > > 2. Does he have any third-party firewall installed (like Norton, McAfee, > > AVG, etc.) or is he just using the default Windows firewall? > > > > 3. Is your app set to auto-launch on boot/login? > > > > 4. Where is this "shield?" Is it on the desktop or does it appear in the > > System Tray when your app is launched? > > > > 5. What are the options if he right-clicks on the shield? > > > > You might get him to install something like the free Microsoft SharedView > > on > > his system, so you can take it over and see for yourself what is going > on. > > But, it is now sounding like not a Rev issue but a permissions/firewall > > issue and your app is either blacklisted or requires admin privileges to > > run. > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From briany at qldlearning.com Wed Feb 10 11:17:08 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:17:08 -0500 Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002100656v7b213b96q8b54f712d455d2f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002100656v7b213b96q8b54f712d455d2f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Alejandro, The first step for this would likely include creating an "inverted" index. This means you store something like: monkey:1,34,3827,21314 Where the word being indexed in "monkey" and the numbers that follow are article IDs. Using this information it is pretty trivial to implement AND / OR. Just merge the article IDs as needed. You can use a mix of this inverted index and your regular index in combination to do other types of queries. You can even store word frequency information to find similar articles. With that said, I think you will have a very hard time crafting a competitive algorithm for this in Rev. A lot of the engines out there are very mature and there are many open source ones that you might consider bundling with your project instead of writing it yourself. Some things to watch out for: 1) File size. Indexing every word takes a lot of space, especially if you indices are in plain text and not a compact binary format 2) Common words. You might consider a "stop word" list, or a threshold. For example, if a word is in > 20% of all articles, don't index it. Or if it's in your "stop word" list. 3) Root words / plurals. Can you detect that "monkeys" is the plural of "monkey" (or more complex cases)? An example of an open source engine that is very mature is Lucene, which can be run from the command-line in Java. > Hi Bernard, > > on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:20:36 +0000 > Bernard Devlin wrote: >> Can I just clarify your problem? You want to be able to search for >> phrases (partial sentences, possibly with boolean logic) inside the >> text stored in the xml nodes of the article, once the article is found >> in the index? > > No, it's not a search inside the displayed article. > It's a global search, within a general index created > using all words from all articles of Wikipedia. > (I do not believe that it's necessary to load this full > index in memory, instead just open specific parts > of this index when users start searching) > > For this reason, i am looking for advice to create an > index structure that allows to implement a fast search > algorithm, using multiple words (and boolean logic, if > possible), similar to Wikipedia's own search engine or > (better yet) just like google. :-) > > Many thanks for your interest in this question! > > Alejandro > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolutio From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 10 11:26:30 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:26:30 -0800 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <4B72DE36.5000404@fourthworld.com> The ambitious Alejandro Tejada wrote: > It's a global search, within a general index created > using all words from all articles of Wikipedia. > (I do not believe that it's necessary to load this full > index in memory, instead just open specific parts > of this index when users start searching) > > For this reason, i am looking for advice to create an > index structure that allows to implement a fast search > algorithm, using multiple words (and boolean logic, if > possible), similar to Wikipedia's own search engine or > (better yet) just like google. :-) A good place to start on that is the seminal paper describing the initial Google implementation, written by the founders: The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page But be warned: indexing is a deep topic, and may become a consuming passion. Roulette is rumored to have been invented by a monk who came to believe he could find a way to predict its outcomes, and eventually went mad trying. Indexing is a bit like that. :) A couple of the longer-term projects I work on need to incorporate good indexing of large corpuses, and my own code to that end has advanced only in small baby steps as I learn more about it. So while I have little in the way of applied code to share at the moment, I can offer a few theoretical pointers: From what I'm reading, my first advice would be to not bother unless you absolutely need to. If there's any way you can use an existing index you'll be a happier man to do so. But if you have to make your own index, you may find it helpful (or maddening) to consider the challenges involved with the various tenses and inflections of words, and how to determine the root word in its native form (the "lemma") for your lookups. Currently I'm looking into the various lemmatization schemes available, since it can help tremendously to both keep the index small enough to be practical while returning more relevant search results. Lemmatization attempts this through linguistic rules; stemming could be said to be a form of "cheating" by using simpler algos less dependent on the nuances of a given language to attempt the same result. The differences are explained well here: Stemming and lemmatization Links to specific stemming algos are at the bottom of this article: Without lemmatization or stemming, searches for "children" will fail to find "child", which could well be relevant to the searcher. And some stemming methods won't be able to transform "children" to "child" since it's an uncommon transformation linguistically, much less so than more common plural forms like just adding "s" or "es" to the end. There's a wealth of info available searching the web for "indexing algorithms", "stemming algorithms", etc. Doing it well may take a lifetime; fortunately it seems there are some "cheating" methods which will do most of the job well enough in less time. All that said, I have to wonder: if Wikipedia's content is available, isn't their index also available? Porting it from MySQL to SQLite seems a far less daunting task than writing an index from scratch. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 11:44:59 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:44:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Noob Stacks Questions Message-ID: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> The app I am working on is to be one stack in a set of stacks for dealing with different tasks. The first one I am working on handles everything to do with managing Leases on machinery, land, etc. There are many other tasks to handle and I figured a stack for each (and seperate stacks for setting up the data in the DB) inside of the consistent interface stack (lets you navigate between the different tasks/modules/stacks). Ok, so far in my Lease (module) Stack I have made a single stack and used different cards for the edit,new,view screens. I just added sarah's calender stack to my LeaseStack and trying to figure out how to get the information from sarah's calendar into my EditPayments card. I understand stacks but now how they can fit into the development of a large application like this. 1. How do you pass data to and from different stacks? (Sarah's calendar specifically, and the rest of the stacks in my Application in general) 2. Is the structure for my application sensible? I have never done alot gui programming before, mostly been confined to php, ASP, and RoR, etc. The structure, as I have envisioned it, is. *NOTE: "--->" means to call up.* MainInterfaceStack ---> ModuleStacks (LeaseStack, WorkOrderStack, etc) ---> SetupStacks (Add Users, Add Fields, Add Townships, Add Assets, etc.) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476073.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:56:19 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:56:19 +0200 Subject: Getting some chars from a string? In-Reply-To: References: <4B71B0F7.9000800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B72E533.7090500@gmail.com> On 10/02/2010 16:07, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > you already got a few interesting entries to try, but I haven't seen this one. I'd use this, because I suck at regexp and because one never know if someone added a suffix of "jpeg" or "jpg" or "j" or... > > function removeSuffix theName > set the itemdelimiter to "." > return item 1 to -2 of theName > end removeSuffix > > That one IS clever! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:59:37 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:59:37 +0200 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> On 10/02/2010 18:44, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > 1. How do you pass data to and from different stacks? (Sarah's calendar > specifically, and the rest of the stacks in my Application in general) > > Try this: put fld "MAINDATA" of stack "MAINSTACK" into fld "DATA2" of stack "STACK2" ALSO: Make sure that you have only 1 Main stack and all the others are substacks, your life will be a lot easier than if you start using lots of main stacks. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 12:06:49 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:06:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> I haven't built the Main Stack yet but am building LeaseStack to be shown to my supervisor to show him Rev's capabilities. This is one of Many modules/stacks that are to be used by the Mainstack when i write it. Can I write LeaseStack and add it to MainStack as a sub-stack later? Not a lot of data is going to be passed from Main to the different Module stacks. Most of them are going to be near stand-alone (my boss has a dream of charging differently for versions that include other tasks/modules/stacks). -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476114.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 10 12:12:06 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:12:06 -0800 Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Well if you know SQL syntax like the back of your hand and dream about insert statements, then you could get by without it I suppose. But if you are not that keen on SQL then I highly recommend it, because it offers a way to do quite complex database operations without knowing ANYTHING about SQL. Trevor's support has been excellent for me (God knows I have needed it). Another thing I find useful, is that it stores information about your database like schemas and such, and also it reconnects it if detects that the connection is dropped. This works great for network local connections, but have found that when a remote mySQL like on-rev server has dropped the connection and Revolution tries to reconnect, there is a HUGE lag of many minutes before the command fails. This is not a problem with sqlYoga, but I think has something to do with how the remote SQL server handles attempts to connect that are not valid. The solution is to close you connections when finished, which is good programming practice anyway. Bob On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > And is SQL Yoga worth it? My boss told me I can get whatever plugins I need > to improve my productivity. I looked into it a bit but it seems to be what I > have my DB handlers written for. > > What is the benefit of SQL Yoga vs Custom handlers? From josh at dvcreators.net Wed Feb 10 12:12:41 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:12:41 -0800 Subject: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process? In-Reply-To: References: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <36B2A31F-12E8-4C63-A017-144766EC2474@dvcreators.net> Thanks Bernard, good tips... I am experiencing this delay compared to running the same command in Terminal in OS X... I have also tried changing the idleRate but that doesn't seem to affect "read from process". Perhaps an external is the best solution. On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: >> Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the "read from process". > Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. > > In the situations where I've used "read from process" this latency > would make it a total non-starter. I think there is something unusual > in your circumstances. > > I have just been working on a small module that uses "read from > process", and the same action launched from a command line takes 5 > seconds, as it does if it was run using "read from process". So your > experience of latency is unusual. Maybe it is something to do with > the startup time of the application you are opening as a process? I'm > running on Vista here, but I've used "read from process" on OS X too > with no noticeable delays > > I would try timing the same action using a command line script to see > if there is really a latency with "read from process". > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 10 12:17:12 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:17:12 -0500 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> Andrew, Why not stick to the main stack/ substacks paradigm? It will be a lot easier in dealing with paths and can still act like a single application. A lot of people will do this even with one stack (i.e. a splash screen stack gets built as the standalone and then all substacks stay as stacks. The benefit here is also that any changes while running the application will 'take' in a seperate substack of a compiled main stack.) Otherwise, every stack will have to find every other stack via file paths.... HTH,s Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 10, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I haven't built the Main Stack yet but am building LeaseStack to be shown to > my supervisor to show him Rev's capabilities. This is one of Many > modules/stacks that are to be used by the Mainstack when i write it. > > Can I write LeaseStack and add it to MainStack as a sub-stack later? Not a > lot of data is going to be passed from Main to the different Module stacks. > Most of them are going to be near stand-alone (my boss has a dream of > charging differently for versions that include other tasks/modules/stacks). > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476114.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 12:30:32 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> Message-ID: <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> Well, I have already spent about 3 weeks getting this LeaseStack module to function. Can I start a new Mainstack and add this leasestack as a substack? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476163.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 10 12:31:51 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:31:51 -0500 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4A0F51B9-4FDA-44F6-AB27-71F6313ECBAC@mac.com> Yes, you can always set the mainstack of any stack at anytime. Tom On Feb 10, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Can I write LeaseStack and add it to MainStack as a sub-stack later? Not a > lot of data is going to be passed from Main to the different Module stacks. > Most of them are going to be near stand-alone (my boss has a dream of > charging differently for versions that include other tasks/modules/stacks). > -- From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 10 12:36:20 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:36:20 -0500 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Well, I have already spent about 3 weeks getting this LeaseStack > module to > function. Can I start a new Mainstack and add this leasestack as a > substack? Yes. But don't be concerned about using multiple mainstacks in your project. Using multiple mainstacks is actually a good idea for good sized projects. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 10 12:37:37 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:37:37 -0500 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yes, see the other reply. Also, is is good to think modularly on larger projects so as to keep each module as independent as possible. Then like you are planning already, one module can be updated or swapped out at any time. So, now where do you store information that goes across all modules??? Well, you can use text files(on-offline), library stacks, some combination of both, etc. On Feb 10, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > Well, I have already spent about 3 weeks getting this LeaseStack module to > function. Can I start a new Mainstack and add this leasestack as a substack? > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476163.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 10 12:48:53 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:48:53 -0500 Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1F13BFD4-8C9D-4B7D-939D-1D0FA53A8726@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > And is SQL Yoga worth it? My boss told me I can get whatever plugins > I need > to improve my productivity. I looked into it a bit but it seems to > be what I > have my DB handlers written for. > > What is the benefit of SQL Yoga vs Custom handlers? Sorry, I missed this question the first time around until I saw Bob's response. Here are just some of the benefits I get with SQL Yoga. As background I've been working with SQL Databases for over 12 years so I'm not relying on SQL Yoga to write SQL that I don't already know. Basics * SQL Yoga allows you to think of your Database, tables and records as objects. * SQL Yoga manages the connection ids and cursor ids for you behind the scenes. * SQL Yoga plays the role of a database interface library that you would write by hand in a Revolution project. It knows all about your schema so there is no shim layer to write or update. Just use the SQL Yoga commands for creating, updating, deleting or querying records. * SQL Yoga allows you to interact with data in the database using arrays. This speeds up development time considerably. * Since you are creating objects and setting properties as opposed to wrapping hand-written SQL strings in functions you can experiment and iterate more quickly. * SQL Yoga allows english strings in search conditions (begins with, ends with, etc.). Table Objects - SQL Yoga can treat your tables as objects. * Define specific search conditions using scopes. Multiple scopes can be added to a query based on UI input and a WHERE clause is automatically generated for you based on all scope conditions. * Add properties to your tables. For example, a property that returns a date column in the database as a nicely formatted string or a property that returns a full name based on the values of the FirstName and LastName columns in a record. * Add data validation routines that get called when creating or updating data in a table. * Add callbacks that get called when creating, updating or deleting data. Table Relationships - You can tell SQL Yoga about table relationships and then leverage those relationships in your code. * SQL Yoga automatically generates joins for you and can convert query results into a hierarchal nested array. * Given a record from a table SQL Yoga can fetch all related records in a related table. * SQL Yoga has commands for automatically linking/unlinking records in related tables. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Wed Feb 10 12:50:23 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:50:23 -0500 Subject: [OT] Happy Valentines Day to Revolution! Message-ID: I can't say this about most software, but I absolutely LOVE Revolution! And the new revWeb plugin, OMG! She is a thing of beauty! My life has been improved by using Rev so much that during this week as we approach Valentines Day, I just want to say Thank You to the Revolution team and all that have been involved in making it better and better and better. Happy Heart Week! Roger Eller From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 10 13:14:26 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:14:26 +0100 Subject: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <325413301002100813g4029f09y73209b6a3238595c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Neal, one of the Apps is a App, which runs off the CD. Could the UAC also has his hands on the CD drive? Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Neal Campbell > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 17:13 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? > > Another thing to try is just moving the application to your > Library->Documents folder. It could in a UAC protected folder which will > not > allow it to run (I have witnessed this a zillion times). > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 13:17:58 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:17:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1F13BFD4-8C9D-4B7D-939D-1D0FA53A8726@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> <1F13BFD4-8C9D-4B7D-939D-1D0FA53A8726@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <1265825878894-1476224.post@n4.nabble.com> hmm an impressive list of features. I will have to look into it more. It seems half or more of my programming work is writing handlers and functions for database queries. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Quickly-View-Contents-Of-An-Array-tp1474936p1476224.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 13:45:01 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:45:01 -0500 Subject: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: References: <325413301002100813g4029f09y73209b6a3238595c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413301002101045s5e809716i8b63c932a298c13e@mail.gmail.com> Just try copy and move it to the Library-Documens folder and see if it does. I don't make any promises but I have had projects that worked in the IDE under win7/64 and when you build them will exhibit the behaviour you menitoned. I just copy them somewhere my account owns (even the desktop) and it works. I haven't figured that out at all since I own the build folder also but its an easy thing to try! Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Neal, > > one of the Apps is a App, which runs off the CD. Could the UAC also has his > hands on the CD drive? > > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Neal Campbell > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 17:13 > > An: How to use Revolution > > Betreff: Re: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? > > > > Another thing to try is just moving the application to your > > Library->Documents folder. It could in a UAC protected folder which will > > not > > allow it to run (I have witnessed this a zillion times). > > > > Neal Campbell > > Abroham Neal Software > > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > > (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER > > > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > > DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com > > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 13:48:12 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:48:12 +0200 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B72FF6C.7030009@gmail.com> On 10/02/2010 19:06, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I haven't built the Main Stack yet but am building LeaseStack to be shown to > my supervisor to show him Rev's capabilities. This is one of Many > modules/stacks that are to be used by the Mainstack when i write it. > > Can I write LeaseStack and add it to MainStack as a sub-stack later? Yes, that is perfectly possible. > Not a > lot of data is going to be passed from Main to the different Module stacks. > Most of them are going to be near stand-alone (my boss has a dream We all do have these sorts of dreams . . . :) > of > charging differently for versions that include other tasks/modules/stacks). > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 10 14:02:45 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:02:45 -0800 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <161447000.20100210110245@ahsoftware.net> Andrew- Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:30:32 AM, you wrote: > Well, I have already spent about 3 weeks getting this LeaseStack module to > function. Can I start a new Mainstack and add this leasestack as a substack? One thing to be very wary about is that you can't have substacks of substacks - you can only go one level down. There are several ways of dealing with this, but they all involve rearchitecting your design, so it pays to think ahead about this. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 14:33:14 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:33:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1F13BFD4-8C9D-4B7D-939D-1D0FA53A8726@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> <1F13BFD4-8C9D-4B7D-939D-1D0FA53A8726@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <1265830394444-1476342.post@n4.nabble.com> I made my presentation to my supervisor and got the go ahead to purchase revEnterprise, SQL Yoga, tRev, and a printed manual & dictionary. I'm starting to get my feet wet with all of this and don't want to have to re-write a very large app to work with SQL Yoga after spending so much time on DB handlers. This is why I wanted to move up my presentation and get the OK to purchase it. :) im excited. Thank you for all of your help and suggestions. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Quickly-View-Contents-Of-An-Array-tp1474936p1476342.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 10 14:35:47 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:35:47 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <9D25F64A-35F2-49E9-9313-795DAC038FD8@numericable.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <9D25F64A-35F2-49E9-9313-795DAC038FD8@numericable.com> Message-ID: One has to manually click and zoom to locate - if one searches, one leaves the page. You're right - it is a spam magnet - so probably should be locked after a point. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 10 February 2010 06:23, Ren? Micout wrote: > I think it is good now... But it is not simple to understand interface !! > Thanks > Ren? > > Le 10 f?vr. 2010 ? 15:00, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit : > > > Hi > > > > I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a > google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my maps" > and then "edit" to add your own location: > > > > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > > > Caveats: > > > > This could be a spam magnet, I'll test it out and if it doesn't work, > I'll delete it again. > > > > I tried to import the old map from Frappr. However, there where several > problems, so I opted to not use that import, and start fresh. Some example > problems: > > Images didn't come trough > > There where more incomplete or broken entries then "real" ones > > Those entries which did work where strangely merged ie. the name would be > put into the "comment" field, doubled text, etc. > > > > Have fun > > Bj?rnke > > > > On 9 Feb 2010, at 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > >> Just a thought, > >> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where > >> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've > >> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide > >> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico > probably > >> is the most exotic, William :) > >> Any idea? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > official ChatRev page: > > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 10 14:38:51 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:38:51 -0800 Subject: Large Format Printing With Rev? Message-ID: Hi List Folks: Does anybody have any experience with large format imaging using Rev? I seem to recall Rev has a size limit when it comes to card size, but if a card of simple text and graphics could be converted into some kind of "common" vector output, the size limit might not be a show stopper. I'm pretty sure Rev's roots were in EPS and/or display PostScript -- could this contribute to a solution? Thanks for any advice. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 10 15:02:00 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:02:00 -0500 Subject: Quickly View Contents Of An Array In-Reply-To: <1265830394444-1476342.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265745787969-1474936.post@n4.nabble.com> <3A87BB42-C7AD-4030-B821-2929EC1C81CF@twft.com> <1265762936488-1475276.post@n4.nabble.com> <1F13BFD4-8C9D-4B7D-939D-1D0FA53A8726@mangomultimedia.com> <1265830394444-1476342.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <95A96EB1-338F-4A68-8A42-36A682790344@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I made my presentation to my supervisor and got the go ahead to > purchase > revEnterprise, SQL Yoga, tRev, and a printed manual & dictionary. I'm > starting to get my feet wet with all of this and don't want to have to > re-write a very large app to work with SQL Yoga after spending so > much time > on DB handlers. This is why I wanted to move up my presentation and > get the > OK to purchase it. :) im excited. Great. The SQL Yoga page is located here: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/ It links to all of the documentation and tutorials and has the latest download. You can run SQL Yoga in demo mode if you don't have a license key yet. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 10 15:10:01 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:10:01 -0800 Subject: determining if a stack is locked Message-ID: <4B731299.1010100@fourthworld.com> With v4, the engine now uses a more secure method to secure scripts, but in my testing it has also removed any way to determine when a stack is password-protected without using "try". In versions prior to v4, you could do this: if the password <> the passkey then ... The password and passkey returned an encrypted string which, while meaningless to the human reader, would at least allow comparisons of the password and passkey to determine if the passkey had been set in the current session, or if there is no password at all. In v4 and later, asking for the password or passkey returns simply "true", which might be sufficient but here's the rub: If you start a new session with a locked stack, asking for the password will return "true" which is correct, but asking for the passkey will also return "true" which is incorrect, since no passkey has yet been entered. I would expect that asking for the passkey of a stack that has a password would return "false" until a passkey has been entered in the current session. I discovered this with stacks in which the password had been set in a previous version, but I just confirmed it in v4 using this recipe: 1. Make a new stack 2. Set the stack's password 3. Run this in the Message Box: put the password of this stack && the passkey of this stack You'll get "true true", which is appropriate because the stack's password was set in this current session and therefore its script is available. So now continue this test: 4. Save your stack and quit 5. Re-launch Rev, and re-open the stack 6. Run that command again in the Message Box RESULT: "true true", which seems inappropriate because the passkey has not been set and the stack's script cannot be accessed until it has. So this leads me to two questions: 1. Can anyone here spare a moment to confirm this behavior, and does it seem inappropriate to you? 2. What method exists in v4.x to determine if a stack has its password set but no passkey has been entered? TIA - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From claus at dreischer.de Wed Feb 10 15:35:49 2010 From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:35:49 +0100 Subject: revBrowserSet, search a second string Message-ID: <4B7318A5.4020506@dreischer.de> Hi, i see a strange behaviour when searching a second string in a revBrowser: First i open a revBroser and i can see the web page i stated Then i search in that page with: revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", search_text "sBrowserId" is the Browser ID i got from revBrowserOpen "search_text" is the variable containing my string to search, like "Mike" I can do this repeatedly and i find the different occurences of that string in that page. All fine here. Now when i change the search_string to e.g. "John", nothing happens. "John" is not found (but he's on that page) :-/ Changing the search string again (even to "Mike"): Nothing happens. :-/ Resetting the search with an empty search string (like the doku said): Nothing happens :-/ Any ideas what i could have done wrong? Regards, Claus. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 10 15:52:05 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <161447000.20100210110245@ahsoftware.net> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> <161447000.20100210110245@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> Thank you for all of the useful info. Truth be told, I didn't really understand the full extent of stacks in rev. 1. In order to include a stack from someone else in my application, sarah's calendar for instance, I need to use: start using stack "whateverStack" ? So I should do this for all my substacks in my preOpenStack for the main one? One more very general question that I could not find answered easily in the user guide. 2. Can global variables be used between all the stacks in the application? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476453.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rjb at robelko.com Wed Feb 10 15:39:22 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:39:22 +0100 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 10.02.10 at 09:06 -0800 Andrew Kluthe apparently wrote: >Can I write LeaseStack and add it to MainStack as a sub-stack later? Not a >lot of data is going to be passed from Main to the different Module stacks. >Most of them are going to be near stand-alone (my boss has a dream of >charging differently for versions that include other tasks/modules/stacks). In this case, I would consider using a global (probably an array) to share data among stacks. Each stack could also use it to keep certain operational (volatile) data readily available. This global could be preloaded in the mainstack upon starting. A variation would be to have one global for sharing and each stack having its own global separately, if needed. That could mesh better with your overall design. Robert From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Feb 10 15:55:43 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:55:43 -0200 Subject: Large Format Printing With Rev? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002101255t6beecdeahd85c8adcb7423f43@mail.gmail.com> Scott, I have no clue whatsoever, but if it is all vector graphics, can you convert it to SVG? it is just fancy XML and should not care about resolution. Cheers andre On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi List Folks: > > Does anybody have any experience with large format imaging using Rev? ?I > seem to recall Rev has a size limit when it comes to card size, but if a > card of simple text and graphics could be converted into some kind of > "common" vector output, the size limit might not be a show stopper. ?I'm > pretty sure Rev's roots were in EPS and/or display PostScript -- could this > contribute to a solution? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 10 16:58:37 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:58:37 -0800 Subject: Large Format Printing With Rev? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002101255t6beecdeahd85c8adcb7423f43@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002101255t6beecdeahd85c8adcb7423f43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I keep hearing more and more about SVG lately - Robert Cailliau's favorite markup. Seems like a vector to SVG converter ( and vv) could be built in rev.... ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 10 February 2010 12:55, Andre Garzia wrote: > Scott, > > I have no clue whatsoever, but if it is all vector graphics, can you > convert it to SVG? it is just fancy XML and should not care about > resolution. > > Cheers > andre > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Scott Rossi > wrote: > > Hi List Folks: > > > > Does anybody have any experience with large format imaging using Rev? I > > seem to recall Rev has a size limit when it comes to card size, but if a > > card of simple text and graphics could be converted into some kind of > > "common" vector output, the size limit might not be a show stopper. I'm > > pretty sure Rev's roots were in EPS and/or display PostScript -- could > this > > contribute to a solution? > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Rossi > > Creative Director > > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Feb 10 17:04:44 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:04:44 +1100 Subject: revBrowserSet, search a second string In-Reply-To: <4B7318A5.4020506@dreischer.de> Message-ID: Claus - This looks like a bug (at least on OSX). As you point out the docs say that setting the selectedtext to empty or a string that does not occur in the text should 'reset' the selection - but doesn't. Certainly worth reporting. In the meantime it looks like you can work around it by handing the focus to another control. This should remove the current selection in the browser text and let you 'search' again. I just tried with with the browser example stack and doing the following... focus on btn "browser on" -- (button that toggle the browser on and off) ... Before changing the search string had the desired effect. HTH, Terry... On 11/02/10 7:35 AM, "Claus Dreischer" wrote: > Hi, > > i see a strange behaviour when searching a second string in a revBrowser: > > First i open a revBroser and i can see the web page i stated > Then i search in that page with: > > revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", search_text > > "sBrowserId" is the Browser ID i got from revBrowserOpen > "search_text" is the variable containing my string to search, like "Mike" > > I can do this repeatedly and i find the different occurences of that > string in that page. All fine here. > > > Now when i change the search_string to e.g. "John", > nothing happens. "John" is not found (but he's on that page) :-/ > > Changing the search string again (even to "Mike"): Nothing happens. :-/ > > Resetting the search with an empty search string (like the doku said): > Nothing happens :-/ > > > Any ideas what i could have done wrong? > > Regards, > Claus. From michaell at unimelb.edu.au Wed Feb 10 17:20:59 2010 From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael Lew) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:20:59 +1100 Subject: Properly formatted large numbers Message-ID: Thanks Terry and Alex. Yes, I suspect that your suggestions would work, but both involve me working out how to trap clicks in the datagrid. That seems like more effort than I can put in at the moment: I've found datagrids to be a bit of a mystery so far and teaching starts here next week :-( This is a very nice example from today's list digest that shows why this issue can be important: >> Hi Jacque, I made the suggestion I did because at 100 Million records plus > > 100 million? Yes, well...I think I read the zeros wrong. Should there not be a numberformat setting that formats the numbers for human readability using the system setting of delimiter? Regards, Michael >> Dear Listers >> >> I'm working on some statistical simulations and regularly get output numbers >> with anything from 1 to 7 digits. They are hard to read when they don't have >> the conventional commas separating the thousands and millions. I've written >> a simple function that does the comma formatting for me but it mucks up >> sorting. Of course. (I'm using a datagrid to display the results and live >> sorting is really handy.) >> Terry Judd responded: > > Can you have two columns - one formatted, one not - and somehow apply the > sort to the unformatted column. I guess the unformatted column would have to > be of invisible and you'd need to have some way of trapping the selection of > the column header. You might need Trevor's help there. > > Terry... Alext Tweedy suggested: > I've not yet used a datagrid, so this is a guess .... > > can you supply a custom sort function ? Something like > > function testLessThan p1, p2 > replace comma with empty in p1 > replace comma with empty in p2 > return p1 < p2 > end testLessThan > > -- Alex. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 17:30:01 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:30:01 -0400 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002101430h39d4939egca1eab225240133d@mail.gmail.com> Many thanks for replying this question. :-) on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:30:23 +0000 Bernard Devlin wrote: > OK, so that's why you mention the different files for each letter of > the alphabet. Yes, each one of these 28 text files will be compressed in gz format. When users look for a word, or many words, only these file(s) are decompressed and searched. > I'm still a bit confused. ?Normally an index would indicate a location > for an indexed term ?That's what I assume your general index files are > doing. ?What are the key terms like in this index, and what do they > point to? ?Can you give us some examples? Sure, look the example that Brian Yennie wrote: monkey:1,34,3827,21314 The numbers (after the word) are the names of compressed gz files. These files are located automatically or (if not found) manually, when the program starts. > To my confused and befuddled mind, it sounds like you are wanting to > create an index of the index. ?That can't be right :-) No, this program uses only three kind of indexes: 1) Articles 2) Articles name's redirections 3) Words > I'm no expert in search algorithms. ?I have been hoping someone else > would jump in who has done this kind of thing before. > Are you wanting a pure, rev-only solution i.e. are you doing this to > demonstrate what can be done using Rev alone? Ideally, this should be a Rev only solution, for cross-platform porting. on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:17:08 -0500 Brian Yennie wrote: > The first step for this would likely include creating an "inverted" index. > This means you store something like: monkey:1,34,3827,2131 > Where the word being indexed in "monkey" and the numbers > that follow are article IDs. > Using this information it is pretty trivial to implement AND / OR. > Just merge the article IDs as needed. You can use a mix of this inverted > index and your regular index in combination to do other types of queries. > You can even store word frequency information to find similar articles. Yes, this is correct and should work fine, but how could i write in the word index a range of article where a word appears consecutively: baboon:1934,2345,2346,2347,2348,2349,2350,2351,2352,2567,3578 > With that said, I think you will have a very hard time crafting a competitive > algorithm for this in Rev. A lot of the engines out there are very mature and > there are many open source ones that you might consider bundling with > your project instead of writing it yourself. Actually, i look for good performance and cross-platform portability. So Rev is my first choice. > Some things to watch out for: > 1) File size. Indexing every word takes a lot of space, especially if you indices > are in plain text and not a compact binary format How could i convert this index format in a compact binary format? baboon:1934,2345,2346,2347,2348,2349,2350,2351,2352,2567,3578 monkey:1,34,3827,2131, 3456,4567,5678,5789,6123,6234,6456 > 2) Common words. You might consider a "stop word" list, or a threshold. > For example, if a word is in > 20% of all articles, don't index it. > Or if it's in your "stop word" list. Previously i believed that stop words should appear in all articles. > 3) Root words / plurals. Can you detect that "monkeys" > is the plural of "monkey" (or more complex cases)? Richard wrote about a similar concern in his answer. I suppose that this feature is useful to recommend similar terms, when users start a new search. > An example of an open source engine that is very mature > is Lucene, which can be run from the command-line in Java. How could i run Java applications from Runrev, without asking users to install Java first? on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:26:30 -0800 Richard Gaskin wrote: > The ambitious Alejandro Tejada wrote: this is only a really modest search :-D > A good place to start on that is the seminal paper describing the > initial Google implementation, written by the founders: > > The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine > Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page > > > But be warned: ?indexing is a deep topic, and may become a consuming > passion. ?Roulette is rumored to have been invented by a monk who came > to believe he could find a way to predict its outcomes, and eventually > went mad trying. ?Indexing is a bit like that. :) Many thanks for pointers in this direction. > A couple of the longer-term projects I work on need to incorporate good > indexing of large corpuses, and my own code to that end has advanced > only in small baby steps as I learn more about it. [snip of really useful information] > All that said, I have to wonder: if Wikipedia's content is available, > isn't their index also available? An article index is available, but a word index is not. > Porting it from MySQL to SQLite seems a far less daunting task than > writing an index from scratch. SQLite is way over my head in this moment. :-) Thanks again for answering this request! Alejandro From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 10 17:37:47 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> <161447000.20100210110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2789A185-8B43-479D-8BD7-2458EF5CE0F1@mac.com> Andrew, You only start using a stack when it is a 'library' like stack with commands and functions in it that you need in other stacks. From what I have heard you say, that is not what you need. If you use one main stack and every other stack opens from that then they will be substacks or separate stacks and will be easier to save data in and access via code from other stacks. But if you really want them as separate applications then they should not be substacks and will build separately. But then you will need to know their file path to interact with them from other stacks and as compiled apps they will not 'save' data as easily. Globals are available from within stacks and their substacks and libraries but not from other compiled standalones. How many (sub)stacks / applications will you end up with? What is the relationship between them? Do they need to communicate with each other? How much so? Will they need to save data while being used? Do you want one Application to launch all of the other Applications? Are they a sub part of the main application? Or separate? Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > Thank you for all of the useful info. Truth be told, I didn't really > understand the full extent of stacks in rev. > > 1. In order to include a stack from someone else in my application, sarah's > calendar for instance, I need to use: > > start using stack "whateverStack" ? > > So I should do this for all my substacks in my preOpenStack for the main > one? > > > > One more very general question that I could not find answered easily in the > user guide. > > > > 2. Can global variables be used between all the stacks in the application? > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Noob-Stacks-Questions-tp1476073p1476453.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Wed Feb 10 17:48:49 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:48:49 -0500 Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002101430h39d4939egca1eab225240133d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002101430h39d4939egca1eab225240133d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Yes, this is correct and should work fine, but how could i write in the > word index a range of article where a word appears consecutively: > baboon:1934,2345,2346,2347,2348,2349,2350,2351,2352,2567,3578 If this were your format, you could compact to something like: baboon:1934,2345-2352,2567,3578 > How could i convert this index format in a compact binary format? > > baboon:1934,2345,2346,2347,2348,2349,2350,2351,2352,2567,3578 > monkey:1,34,3827,2131, 3456,4567,5678,5789,6123,6234,6456 Well there are a lot of possibilities that are probably way beyond the scope of this discussion, however, for starters you could convert each number from text to binary. You could also go for a BTree structure, but that is going to be awfully difficult in Rev. > Previously i believed that stop words should appear in all articles. I would go with a threshold for sure. Think about what it means for index size if a word is in 50% of all articles or more. And why would you want to search for that word anyway? > Richard wrote about a similar concern in his answer. > I suppose that this feature is useful to recommend similar > terms, when users start a new search. Yes, but it's also "built-in" to the results in most modern search engines. It will help you return better results. Think of the simple case where someone searches for "monkeys" but doesn't find an article named "Monkey". Although it seems obvious that these are not the same word, your users can easily be frustrated. > How could i run Java applications from Runrev, > without asking users to install Java first? You would have to find a way to bundle it with your app. The upside is, this would be much easier than trying to write something equivalent in Rev. You may vary well be able to craft something that meets your needs, but in terms of performance and accuracy you'll have a nearly impossible time matching some of the more mature search engines out there. From katir at hindu.org Wed Feb 10 17:49:56 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:49:56 -1000 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... Message-ID: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting this into an iRev slide show. http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ Music by famed Tamil singer Pon Sundarlingam and his "rockin'" back up group in Toronto. The song praises a great sage from Sri Lanka, saying that he gave us one sweet gift in the words: "This soul is eternal, indeed." Back on topic... I'm really pleased with this frame work. I can adjust the size, rates, etc everything all on one page From claus at dreischer.de Wed Feb 10 18:07:29 2010 From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:07:29 +0100 Subject: revBrowserSet, search a second string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B733C31.5020804@dreischer.de> Hi Terry, thanks for taking a look! I had no luck with handing the focus to another control here on Win XP. Didn't cured the problem here. But i have done some more tests: (revBrowser alread open in a substack) - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "Mike" works - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "John" works too :-) - focus on main stack - focus back on substack with revBrowser - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "Mike" doesn't work anymore :-/ - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "John" doesn't work anymore :-( So it looks like (at least here on Win XP), *loosing* the focus is somewhat related to the problem. Can anyone shine a light on his? Regards, Claus. Am 10.02.10 23:04, schrieb Terry Judd: > Claus - This looks like a bug (at least on OSX). As you point out the docs > say that setting the selectedtext to empty or a string that does not occur > in the text should 'reset' the selection - but doesn't. Certainly worth > reporting. > > In the meantime it looks like you can work around it by handing the focus to > another control. This should remove the current selection in the browser > text and let you 'search' again. I just tried with with the browser example > stack and doing the following... > > focus on btn "browser on" -- (button that toggle the browser on and off) > > ... Before changing the search string had the desired effect. > > HTH, > > Terry... > > > On 11/02/10 7:35 AM, "Claus Dreischer" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i see a strange behaviour when searching a second string in a revBrowser: >> >> First i open a revBroser and i can see the web page i stated >> Then i search in that page with: >> >> revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", search_text >> >> "sBrowserId" is the Browser ID i got from revBrowserOpen >> "search_text" is the variable containing my string to search, like "Mike" >> >> I can do this repeatedly and i find the different occurences of that >> string in that page. All fine here. >> >> >> Now when i change the search_string to e.g. "John", >> nothing happens. "John" is not found (but he's on that page) :-/ >> >> Changing the search string again (even to "Mike"): Nothing happens. :-/ >> >> Resetting the search with an empty search string (like the doku said): >> Nothing happens :-/ >> >> >> Any ideas what i could have done wrong? >> >> Regards, >> Claus. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 18:13:34 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:13:34 +0100 Subject: determining if a stack is locked In-Reply-To: <4B731299.1010100@fourthworld.com> References: <4B731299.1010100@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002101513q15e8d4f9t8d0a6ce181d46995@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/10 Richard Gaskin : > With v4, the engine now uses a more secure method to secure scripts, but in > my testing it has also removed any way to determine when a stack is > password-protected without using "try". > > In versions prior to v4, you could do this: > > ? if the password <> the passkey then ... > > The password and passkey returned an encrypted string which, while > meaningless to the human reader, would at least allow comparisons of the > password and passkey to determine if the passkey had been set in the current > session, or if there is no password at all. > > In v4 and later, asking for the password or passkey returns simply "true", > which might be sufficient but here's the rub: > > If you start a new session with a locked stack, asking for the password will > return "true" which is correct, but asking for the passkey will also return > "true" which is incorrect, since no passkey has yet been entered. > > I would expect that asking for the passkey of a stack that has a password > would return "false" until a passkey has been entered in the current > session. > > > I discovered this with stacks in which the password had been set in a > previous version, but I just confirmed it in v4 using this recipe: > > 1. Make a new stack > 2. Set the stack's password > 3. Run this in the Message Box: > > ? put the password of this stack && the passkey of this stack > > You'll get "true true", which is appropriate because the stack's password > was set in this current session and therefore its script is available. > > So now continue this test: > > 4. Save your stack and quit > 5. Re-launch Rev, and re-open the stack > 6. Run that command again in the Message Box > > RESULT: "true true", which seems inappropriate because the passkey has not > been set and the stack's script cannot be accessed until it has. > > > So this leads me to two questions: > > 1. Can anyone here spare a moment to confirm this behavior, and does it seem > inappropriate to you? I have follow all your steps and I can confirm that I obtained the same results as you. Inappropriate... Yes and no. That the function returns true when the passkey is empty, this seems odd. Now I think that for safety, less informations you have the better is it. What it seems inappropriate to me is that when you set the wrong passkey, you obtain an error. I imagine already someone creating a loop that would try a password as if it gets an error message. In my opinion I believe that no message should be returned at any time. If the password is good, it decrypts the stack and no more. It's reminded me a story with my habitual development tool (no no it's not RR, unfortunately ;)) which shall remain nameless for not voluntarily give bad idea... A few years ago, a client showed me how he was satisfied with the new encryption system of this tool. It is true that in previous versions, retrieve the password was a formality. He was very happy with the feature that permitted to save a password shortcut. This shortcut allowed users to connect to the server without entering the user password... The idea seems already strange to save a shortcut password in a file accessible to everyone ... In addition, although internally encrypted in the server, I discovered that the password was saved in clear text in the shortcut... Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 10 18:17:06 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:17:06 -0800 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> Message-ID: My safari browser launched "FlipForMac" for audio.... uncompressed AIFF?? wow hi-fi ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 10 February 2010 14:49, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, > with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting > this into an iRev slide show. > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ > > Music by famed Tamil singer Pon Sundarlingam and his "rockin'" back up > group in Toronto. > > The song praises a great sage from Sri Lanka, saying that he gave us one > sweet gift in the words: > > "This soul is eternal, indeed." > > Back on topic... I'm really pleased with this frame work. > I can adjust the size, rates, etc everything all on one page > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 18:31:56 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:31:56 +1000 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > I just added sarah's calender stack to my LeaseStack and trying to figure > out how to get the information from sarah's calendar into my EditPayments > card. In the case of my calendar stack, it operates as a modal dialog and uses the dialogData to pass information back & forth. If you used the demo stack to install the calendar stack of your choice in your stack, then the stack will be there. It will also have added a function to your stack script that does the work for you. So all you have to do to get a date from the calendar stack is to use: put getDate(tStartingDate, tStackName) into theDate if theDate is empty then exit to top where tStackName = the name of your calendar stack (since there are 3 options, you have to supply this data) and tStartingDate is the date you want the calendar to display when it first opens. If this is empty, then it will display today's date. If you check out the getDate function, you will see how it sets the dialogData, then opens the calendar stack as modal, then retrieves the dialogData. The calendar stack looks at the dialogData when it first opens and uses that to set up it's display. Then when you select a date, the calendar stack puts that date into the dialogData, so that the calling function can get it back again. While this is one way to transfer data between stacks, it really only works for modal dialogs. For other data transfers, you can use globals, or you can just specify the full path to the object e.g. put field "Data" of stack "Stack1" into field "MoreData" of stack "Stack2" With the issue of main stacks & sub stacks, there are (as always in Rev) a couple of different possibilities. You can have a main stack with everything else being a sub stack of that. Note that you cannot have sub stacks of sub stacks, so in this case, you would have to attach my calendar stack to the main stack. The advantage of this method is that the development is all done on a single file and Rev takes care of all the references, so you don't need to worry about file paths - the stacks already know where they are. The other commonly used way is to have each stack as it's own mainStack. Each stack is saved in a different file. You will have a single stack that is the launcher stack and is the one that runs first in your app. It will then have links to the other stacks. You can set it's stackFiles so that it knows where the other stacks are, or you can set the defaultFolder to the location of the other stacks and it will find them that way. You can always change from one to another, just taking into account that you can't have sub-sub stacks. If a stack has no sub stacks of it's own, then you can always change it's mainStack so it becomes part of another stack file. If it has sub stacks, you need to change the mainStack of every sub stack first. Just make sure you have backups before you start messing with this as it is easy to save the wrong thing. Cheers, Sarah From jiro at ronri-kobo.com Wed Feb 10 18:39:07 2010 From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:39:07 +0900 Subject: Embedded Flash Player In-Reply-To: <1265682735584-1473867.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <458694CC-E051-47E3-92F2-E36786978034@twft.com> <1265682735584-1473867.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9097BF6D-2746-46A5-BC24-1649EC43F28E@ronri-kobo.com> Alejandro, Stephen, (Sorry for the delay. I couldn't reply owing to a recent bereavement.) On 2010/02/09, at 11:32, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > How do you run a Java server > inside a Rev application? > System requirements do not > specify which Java version > is needed for running this Rev > application. My external launches a Java virtual machine and calls the main method in the Flash server("Red5") written in Java Java runtime environment 1.5(JRE1.5) or later is required for the Flash server. Therefore JRE1.5 or later is needed for running my application. On 2010/02/09, at 15:48, stephen barncard wrote: > Jiro, this is an awesome application. Great work. Thanks. Jiro Harada From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed Feb 10 18:52:59 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:52:59 +0100 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> Message-ID: <86A5E9A7-154C-4768-995B-00E23BD7E2BA@numericable.com> I like Ganapati ! Le 10 f?vr. 2010 ? 23:49, Sivakatirswami a ?crit : > Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting this into an iRev slide show. > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ > > Music by famed Tamil singer Pon Sundarlingam and his "rockin'" back up group in Toronto. > > The song praises a great sage from Sri Lanka, saying that he gave us one sweet gift in the words: > > "This soul is eternal, indeed." > > Back on topic... I'm really pleased with this frame work. > I can adjust the size, rates, etc everything all on one page > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 10 18:54:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:54:05 -0600 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> <161447000.20100210110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B73471D.9070800@hyperactivesw.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Thank you for all of the useful info. Truth be told, I didn't really > understand the full extent of stacks in rev. Have you seen the scripting conference stacks yet? The first one in particular does a good job of explaining what a stack and substacks are, as well as other basic objects and properties. > > 1. In order to include a stack from someone else in my application, sarah's > calendar for instance, I need to use: > > start using stack "whateverStack" ? > > So I should do this for all my substacks in my preOpenStack for the main > one? A stack can be very loosely associated with the concept of a "window". For simple applications you may only need one stack, which will be all that is in its file on disk. More complex programs usually need more than one window or stack. For convenience, you can store additional stacks into the same file on disk. You can only have a single "main" stack, but it can contain any number of additional "substacks". You do not need to start using substacks. They are always loaded into RAM along with the main stack when it opens, and are always available. The advantage to using substacks is that they are always there and all you need to do is "go" to one to view it. You can use its short name to refer to it because it is always in RAM and the engine knows where it is. Substacks also have the advantage of keeping everything together in one file so nothing can get lost or separated. One disadvantage to using substacks is if you've built a standalone and you need to save data to them. No modern OS allows a running standalone to alter itself on disk. If you build your main stack into a standalone it cannot save any changes to itself, and that includes changes to any substacks it contains. So if you need to save changes to a stack, it needs to be an independent file that is not part of the standalone. It has to remain a Rev stack. A common approach is to create a very simple one-card stack -- often a splash screen -- and then have that one-card main stack open other Rev stacks. Since stacks are just files, they can save data without any trouble. Stacks that are independent files on disk will need to be referenced in scripts by a file path if you want to open them, since the engine won't know where they are. You can do this lots of ways: calculate a logical file path in a script, assign stack names to the stackfiles property of your app, set the defaultfolder and use relative path references, or put up a file dialog so the user can choose it. When you get that far, ask. :) Sometimes you may want to use the script of a stack that is an independent file on disk (i.e., it isn't your main stack or any of its substacks.) That's when "start using" comes into play. Any stack you start using is inserted into the message hierarchy so that its stack script is available to all open stacks. This is how libraries are done. An alternate to "start using" is to "insert script of ", which allows you to place any script of any object into the message hierarchy. "Start using" only allows placing the stack script into the back of the hierarchy. Insertion allows you to place a script in either the front or the back. (Newbie alert: be cautious when placing scripts into the front. You can interfere with the IDE if you do that. Wait a while to try it.) When you build a standalone, the mainstack script is always available to any other stack that's open; i.e., it's always in use automatically. When you are working with it in the IDE, that isn't true. So during development, you may need to "start using" your main stack to artificially put it into the message hierarchy, just to simulate what will happen when it later becomes an application. You will catch bugs that way too if you have any script conflicts. So at this point you should make some decisions about your stack structure. Which stacks need to save data and which don't? If you have some static stacks that rarely change then maybe they should be built as substacks of your mainstack. The calendar stack comes to mind here; it is unlikely you'll need to change it, it does a single job and is fully functional. So it's a good candidate for a substack in your main stack. If you will be loading data into a single card on demand, then maybe you don't need that stack to be separate either, since it is only a template, and it could be a substack of the main stack too. On the other hand, if you think you'll need to change it later on, it's easier to change an independent stack because then you don't have to rebuild the standalone. Stuff like that should be decided early on. But as others have said, it is very easy to make a stack into a substack at any time. You can do it in the to-be-substack's property inspector by just choosing a mainstack from a popup menu. > One more very general question that I could not find answered easily in the > user guide. > > > > 2. Can global variables be used between all the stacks in the application? I think this one got answered already, but yes, globals are everywhere. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 10 18:58:45 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:58:45 -0600 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B734835.6080502@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > With the issue of main stacks & sub stacks, there are (as always in > Rev) a couple of different possibilities. You've been in my head again. We have to stop meeting this way. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed Feb 10 19:57:38 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:57:38 +1100 Subject: revBrowserSet, search a second string In-Reply-To: <4B733C31.5020804@dreischer.de> Message-ID: OK - it looks like the OSX and Win versions of the browser function differently here (nothing new about that). While the method I suggested doesn't work with the Win browser, I did find that calling the revBrowserSet command twice will do the trick. For example, using the runrev home page as a testbed... RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "platform" -- selects a single instance of the word platform in the footer section of the page RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "enterprise" -- selects a substring of a word a couple of lines down RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "platform" -- does nothing but... RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "platform" -- selects the previously selected instance of the string I'd still report this as it doesn't work as reported and there is nothing more painful than having to implement platform specific workarounds (actually, not being able to come up with any satisfactory workaround for a particular platform is definitely more annoying). HTH, Terry... On 11/02/10 10:07 AM, "Claus Dreischer" wrote: > Hi Terry, > > thanks for taking a look! > I had no luck with handing the focus to another control here on Win XP. > Didn't cured the problem here. > > > But i have done some more tests: > > (revBrowser alread open in a substack) > > - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "Mike" > works > > - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "John" > works too :-) > > - focus on main stack > > - focus back on substack with revBrowser > > - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "Mike" > doesn't work anymore :-/ > > - revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "John" > doesn't work anymore :-( > > > So it looks like (at least here on Win XP), *loosing* the focus is > somewhat related to the problem. > > Can anyone shine a light on his? > > Regards, > Claus. > > > > Am 10.02.10 23:04, schrieb Terry Judd: >> Claus - This looks like a bug (at least on OSX). As you point out the docs >> say that setting the selectedtext to empty or a string that does not occur >> in the text should 'reset' the selection - but doesn't. Certainly worth >> reporting. >> >> In the meantime it looks like you can work around it by handing the focus to >> another control. This should remove the current selection in the browser >> text and let you 'search' again. I just tried with with the browser example >> stack and doing the following... >> >> focus on btn "browser on" -- (button that toggle the browser on and off) >> >> ... Before changing the search string had the desired effect. >> >> HTH, >> >> Terry... >> >> >> On 11/02/10 7:35 AM, "Claus Dreischer" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> i see a strange behaviour when searching a second string in a revBrowser: >>> >>> First i open a revBroser and i can see the web page i stated >>> Then i search in that page with: >>> >>> revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", search_text >>> >>> "sBrowserId" is the Browser ID i got from revBrowserOpen >>> "search_text" is the variable containing my string to search, like "Mike" >>> >>> I can do this repeatedly and i find the different occurences of that >>> string in that page. All fine here. >>> >>> >>> Now when i change the search_string to e.g. "John", >>> nothing happens. "John" is not found (but he's on that page) :-/ >>> >>> Changing the search string again (even to "Mike"): Nothing happens. :-/ >>> >>> Resetting the search with an empty search string (like the doku said): >>> Nothing happens :-/ >>> >>> >>> Any ideas what i could have done wrong? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Claus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 21:23:44 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:23:44 -0800 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> Message-ID: <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, > with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting > this into an iRev slide show. > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ Sadly, this link completely and repeatedly crashes Firefox for me :-( -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 22:24:26 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:24:26 +0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: You mean you'll report back when you only have 105,750,303 records ;-) On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Warren Kuhl wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions. I will look into trying some of them > to see what works best for me. The file currently contains > 105,750,304 records. > > I will report back my findings. > > Thanks, > Warren > > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 22:29:55 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:29:55 +0800 Subject: Time & date [completely OT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dang I'm late, it's already passed 20:00 down there, which would be 10 to 20:10 on 10 to 2010 ;-) On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Over here, it is now 10 to 10 on 10-2-10 :-) > > (since we have our dates in d-m-y order) > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 22:34:30 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:34:30 +0800 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The link and Firefox work for me :-) Firefox 3.5.7 OS X .6.2 MBP On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Howard Bornstein < howard.bornstein at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > > Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, > > with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting > > this into an iRev slide show. > > > > > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ > > > Sadly, this link completely and repeatedly crashes Firefox for me :-( > > -- > Regards, > > Howard Bornstein > ----------------------- > www.designeq.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 10 22:41:39 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:41:39 -0800 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> Howard- Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 6:23:44 PM, you wrote: > Sadly, this link completely and repeatedly crashes Firefox for me :-( OK - *that* got me to look. Usually I'm the one who has problems with these things on Firefox, but what I got was a stunning multimedia display. The only problem was that the music runs a bit longer than the slideshow, so I watched the beginning of the slides again, unable to tear myself away until the music had ended. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 23:32:42 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:32:42 -0800 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> Slide show and music run fine on OSX 10.5.8 G5 PPC FF Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/ 20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6 Jim Ault Las Vegas From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:50:46 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:50:46 -0800 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3f07cc261002102050r5bd938b0r99e7c772f23fa00d@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I tried it in Safari and it ran fine. I don't know what's up with my version of Firefox. Beautiful photos. -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Feb 11 00:03:53 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:03:53 EST Subject: Sorting question Message-ID: If I want to randomize a string of items using the random function as a sortKey, say: put "1,2,3" into temp sort items of temp by random(3) The randomization is not nearly as effective as if I say: put "1,2,3" into temp sort items of temp by random(100) If you run this many times to create a list of random strings (like "3,1,2" and "2,1,3", etc.) the second version randomizes much better than the first. This is a trick that harkens back to early HC. But it occurs to me I never really understood the rationale. In fact, I don't understand the syntactic methodology. This does not work at all: put "1,2,3" into temp get random(100) sort items of temp by it So the random function must be invoked for each item, item by item, as the process progresses. As a sortKey, this seems reasonable. But how does this operate, and what does the larger number do so much better? Thanks in advance... Craig Newman From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:13:10 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:13:10 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> Warren, I've read through most of these suggestions, but I'm surprised that the obvious hasn't been suggested yet (that I've seen): skip everything... put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd open file "myfile.txt" for text update seek to tEnd in file "myfile.txt" >From here just back up a "reasonable" number of characters... say 200. Find the last CR character, nuke everything else and close the file. Didn't find one? Try backing up another 200, etc. It'll be a whole lot faster. Edge case to concern yourself with would be if your file happens to end with a CR and maybe you want to ignore those cases. But that should be easy enough to solve. HTH, Jeff M. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Warren Kuhl wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions. I will look into trying some of them > to see what works best for me. The file currently contains > 105,750,304 records. > > I will report back my findings. > > Thanks, > Warren > > From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:23:12 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:23:12 -0600 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <963c86eb1002102123l7c368ae0n81aa01071a66ba16@mail.gmail.com> Craig, This function might help you a bit (untested): function randomItemList pItems local tRandomItems local tIdx repeat until pItems is empty put the random of the number of items in pItems into tIdx get item tIdx of pItems put it & comma after tRandomItems delete item tIdx from pItems end repeat # you may want to delete the last char of tRandomItems return tRandomItems end randomItemList Jeff M. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:03 PM, wrote: > If I want to randomize a string of items using the random function as a > sortKey, say: > > put "1,2,3" into temp > sort items of temp by random(3) > > The randomization is not nearly as effective as if I say: > > put "1,2,3" into temp > sort items of temp by random(100) > > If you run this many times to create a list of random strings (like "3,1,2" > and "2,1,3", etc.) the second version randomizes much better than the > first. This is a trick that harkens back to early HC. But it occurs to me I > never > really understood the rationale. In fact, I don't understand the syntactic > methodology. > > This does not work at all: > > put "1,2,3" into temp > get random(100) > sort items of temp by it > > So the random function must be invoked for each item, item by item, as the > process progresses. As a sortKey, this seems reasonable. But how does this > operate, and what does the larger number do so much better? > > Thanks in advance... > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 11 00:26:04 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:26:04 -0500 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481B0CD7-A6C4-477C-BAF6-3DBEEEA989D7@qldlearning.com> Jeff, This line: > put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd Loads the entire file into memory in order to get its length. - Brian From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 11 00:32:27 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:32:27 -0500 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Craig, Yes, the random function is called for each item to assign it a sort value. My guess as to why using a larger number in random(n) is as follows; If you use random(3) there is a high chance that two items will be assigned the same value. In this case, the sort algorithm may preserve their original order, adding an unnatural likelihood that the items remain close to original order. Better yet, I would use the largest number that random() will accept. Theoretically the best would be to supply your own random function that never repeats, or use a loop similar to what Jeff suggests. > If I want to randomize a string of items using the random function as a > sortKey, say: > > put "1,2,3" into temp > sort items of temp by random(3) > > The randomization is not nearly as effective as if I say: > > put "1,2,3" into temp > sort items of temp by random(100) > > If you run this many times to create a list of random strings (like "3,1,2" > and "2,1,3", etc.) the second version randomizes much better than the > first. This is a trick that harkens back to early HC. But it occurs to me I never > really understood the rationale. In fact, I don't understand the syntactic > methodology. > > This does not work at all: > > put "1,2,3" into temp > get random(100) > sort items of temp by it > > So the random function must be invoked for each item, item by item, as the > process progresses. As a sortKey, this seems reasonable. But how does this > operate, and what does the larger number do so much better? > > Thanks in advance... > > Craig Newman From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:44:53 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:44:53 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <481B0CD7-A6C4-477C-BAF6-3DBEEEA989D7@qldlearning.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> <481B0CD7-A6C4-477C-BAF6-3DBEEEA989D7@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <92DF5107-B015-420A-A15A-5D94EB656C80@gmail.com> On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > Jeff, > > This line: > >> put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd > > Loads the entire file into memory in order to get its length. That's a joke, right? :-( A freakin' OS call could get that just by touching an I-Node. Please, God, tell me Rev was smart enough to do it the right way? Jeff M. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 11 00:54:13 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:54:13 -0800 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2013650937.20100210215413@ahsoftware.net> Craig- You might also want to play around with setting the randomseed. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 11 00:55:35 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:55:35 -0500 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <92DF5107-B015-420A-A15A-5D94EB656C80@gmail.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> <481B0CD7-A6C4-477C-BAF6-3DBEEEA989D7@qldlearning.com> <92DF5107-B015-420A-A15A-5D94EB656C80@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B3B4172-ED3F-4E76-914E-0D50C96DF39E@qldlearning.com> It's more a product of the syntax than anything. url "file:myfile.txt" is a container, and the length operates on it as such. URL containers are pretty darn handy in general, but this is one potential gotcha. You can use the detailed files to get information about a file, including its size in bytes. So actually your suggestion should work fine, just needs a little tweaking. It would just be more like: put filelength("myfile.txt") into tEnd open file "myfile.txt" for text update seek to tEnd in file "myfile.txt" function filelength tFile // use the detailed files to get the file size end filelength No need to get all flustered =) - Brian > > > On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > >> Jeff, >> >> This line: >> >>> put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd >> >> Loads the entire file into memory in order to get its length. > > > > That's a joke, right? :-( > > A freakin' OS call could get that just by touching an I-Node. Please, God, tell me Rev was smart enough to do it the right way? > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolutio From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 03:23:10 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:23:10 +1000 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <4B734835.6080502@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B734835.6080502@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:58 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> With the issue of main stacks & sub stacks, there are (as always in >> Rev) a couple of different possibilities. > > You've been in my head again. We have to stop meeting this way. :-) From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 04:13:46 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:46 +0000 Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002101430h39d4939egca1eab225240133d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002101430h39d4939egca1eab225240133d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Yes, each one of these 28 text files will be compressed > in gz format. When users look for a word, or many words, > only these file(s) are decompressed and searched. Like Brian, I was going to suggest existing search technologies like Lucene. Why re-invent the wheel? I understand you not wanting to ship Java and get the user to install it. However there may be other pre-existing solutions to your problem. Is it imperative to your solution that these 28 text compressed text files are part of the solution? I mean, are you trying to maintain the structure of the solution such that someone who comes along and looks at your solution can see where Rev fits in. Or can your indexes be stored in a database? The reason I say this is because a) Valentina already has two forms of text searches (one form is very fast but only looks up single words, the other form can search an entire database using regex but is slower, and probably not fast enough for your requirements). Unless you already have Valentina for each platform, this solution will involve you in the cost of buying licenses. The other thing to consider is that sqlite already has a full-text search facility (although I think you may have to compile it as a sqlite plug-in and distribute it with your application). It does things like word-stemming, stop lists, frequencies, etc. You would have to distribute this sqlite add-on with your solution. http://ft3.sourceforge.net/v0.3/userguide.html http://michaeltrier.com/2008/7/13/full-text-search-on-sqlite I suspect that the sqlite option may be the best. I can't testify to the speed of its searching, but I seem to remember that the indexing is asynchronous (not that that would be a consideration in your application). Using a pre-existing solution (even one that requires some modification on your part) has got to be easier than building your own full-text search system. The above suggestions could still provide you with a cross-platform solution. If you still want a Rev-only solution let us know. Maybe someone else will chip in with suggestions :-) Hope that helps. Bernard From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 04:31:52 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:31:52 +0000 Subject: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process? In-Reply-To: <36B2A31F-12E8-4C63-A017-144766EC2474@dvcreators.net> References: <70CBB82B-851D-44EE-AFF1-91608FCFDF31@dvcreators.net> <36B2A31F-12E8-4C63-A017-144766EC2474@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Thanks Bernard, good tips... I am experiencing this delay compared to running the same command in Terminal in OS X... I have also tried changing the > idleRate but that doesn't seem to affect "read from process". Perhaps an external is the best solution. Josh, I would think devising, testing and including a cross platform external was the last thing I'd do. What does the application do that you're opening with "read from process"? Is it network or hardware-related - could that be introducing the delay? Or is this latency something that occurs wth everything to do with "read from process" on OS X? I really don't remember seeing such a delay on OS X. Is it possible you can do a test and see if e.g. just running 'ls' and reading back the results comes with a 5 second delay on OS X. If so, it really should be entered into RQCC. I searched RQCC and can see no report on this. If even the simple test I outlined proves your case then, you may have to look for another solution :-/ Bernard From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Feb 11 04:32:09 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:32:09 +0100 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: <20100202180005.155F728824B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100202180005.155F728824B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9D7F0263-FDD7-4970-A572-290C9CDB7D35@derbrill.de> Mark Wieder wrote: > You might also want to play around with setting the randomseed. Can not resist to chime in here: In most cases, this would make the sequence predictable (if you were to set the randomseed to a fixed value). I have happened to have written a tiny article on predictable random numbers in the last newsletter: http://runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue86/newsletter3.php This is not about sorting, though the same mechanics apply. Cheers, Malte From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Feb 11 04:31:52 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:31:52 +0000 Subject: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality In-Reply-To: <656995.44338.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <656995.44338.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47938434-D58A-473B-8894-798C4398BC2A@azurevision.co.uk> On 8 Feb 2010, at 20:09, Michael Kann wrote: > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE > YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights. Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights. Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights. Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights. Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights. YouTube is a wonderful thing, IF you don't mind giving Google the right to distribute and sell your video with no royalties payable... Ian From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Thu Feb 11 04:44:46 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:44:46 +0200 Subject: Franklin and VRML2 format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/8/10 10:14 AM, "Marco (Jedidcad)-DOTgroup" wrote: Hi Marco, Let me once again underline, that Franklin 3D for Revolution, Is a wrapper around IRRLICHT engine. So question about VRML2 support should be directed not to us, But to developers of Irrlicht on their forum. I have made fast search, and have to see that they mention this format for support in the future. How fast they will implement this, I don't know. May be you can join their forum, and talk there. > Many thanks for your email. > > Now I control the WIKI Franklin and dowload the new archives. > > A little question for the future: because you not insert the VRML 2 format for > making 3D model? (As you know this format is very popular for describe also 3D > complex model). -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 11 05:49:52 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:52 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Message-ID: So... how do we distribute this link, without making it publicly available? any ideas? http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 On 10 Feb 2010, at 15:00, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Hi > > I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > Caveats: > > This could be a spam magnet, I'll test it out and if it doesn't work, I'll delete it again. > > I tried to import the old map from Frappr. However, there where several problems, so I opted to not use that import, and start fresh. Some example problems: > Images didn't come trough > There where more incomplete or broken entries then "real" ones > Those entries which did work where strangely merged ie. the name would be put into the "comment" field, doubled text, etc. > > Have fun > Bj?rnke > > On 9 Feb 2010, at 10:37, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >> Just a thought, >> isn't there anywhere in the net a tool where we could open a group where >> everybody could pin his location on the world map (like "the cities I've >> visited" in facebook). I think it would be interesting to see how wide >> spread the Rev community is, though a jungle place on Puerto Rico probably >> is the most exotic, William :) >> Any idea? > > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 11 05:54:15 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:54:15 -1000 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B72E5F9.7090102@gmail.com> <1265821609123-1476114.post@n4.nabble.com> <46E3B9D9-A652-4412-80A5-1197BCDD4009@mac.com> <1265823032026-1476163.post@n4.nabble.com> <161447000.20100210110245@ahsoftware.net> <1265835125577-1476453.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001301caab08$8dd2c910$a9785b30$@com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Thank you for all of the useful info. Truth be told, I didn't really > understand the full extent of stacks in rev. Andrew, All of the advice you are being given here about the use of main stacks, sub stacks, library stacks, splash screens, etc. is all "correct" for different purposes. However, since you are new to Rev, I'm sure your head is spinning a bit with all the possibilities. As I understand it, you want to build an entire application that is professional, modular and can be expanded on in the future. For this, what I am going to recommend to you is that you download and use Trevor's excellent GLX Application Framework from: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-applicati on-framework/ This will give you a huge head start and just using this framework and understanding why it is set up the way it is, will make a lot of things clear to you, as well as provide you with many of the structures and handlers you would normally have to construct yourself. It also has extensive help. And, the good news is you won't have to go back to your Supervisor for more budget, because it is free. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 11 09:12:00 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:12:00 -0500 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> Slideshow is great but NO music here??? Safari 4.0.4 OSX 10.6.2 Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > Slide show and music run fine on > OSX 10.5.8 G5 PPC > FF > Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6 > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 11 09:41:32 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:41:32 +0100 Subject: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Message-ID: This map works, if anybody doesn't like google - you can log off google immediatly after having set your pin ;) So Andre and the others, you come over to this map? P.S. You don't have to pin your detailed address, if you don't want to have sit someday a rev couch surfer on your sofa ;) Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bj?rnke von Gierke > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 15:01 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic > > Hi > > I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a > google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my > maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966 954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188 &t=h&z=2 > From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 09:48:20 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:48:20 -0500 Subject: Noob Stacks Questions In-Reply-To: <4B734835.6080502@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265820299940-1476073.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B734835.6080502@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> With the issue of main stacks & sub stacks, there are (as always in >> Rev) a couple of different possibilities. > > You've been in my head again. We have to stop meeting this way. Bumpersticker: Never let anyone live in your head rent-free. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 11 10:06:00 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:06:00 +0100 Subject: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12CC9E85-F083-4BAC-B3FB-D111875BD405@mac.com> Oi! Matthias moved me to the fields of Milano! Not acceptable. Keep your hands off my position, you filthy apes ;-) It seems as if this is not really going to be a decent solution, someone could go in and move everybody to Antarctica, and for my taste It's quite cold enough where I currently reside... On 11 Feb 2010, at 15:41, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > This map works, > if anybody doesn't like google - you can log off google immediatly after > having set your pin ;) > So Andre and the others, you come over to this map? > P.S. > You don't have to pin your detailed address, if you don't want to have sit > someday a rev couch surfer on your sofa ;) > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bj?rnke von Gierke >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 15:01 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic >> >> Hi >> >> I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a >> google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my >> maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: >> > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966 > 954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188 > &t=h&z=2 >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Feb 11 10:20:02 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:20:02 EST Subject: Sorting question Message-ID: <5914.5faff9d7.38a57a22@aol.com> Thanks for the responses, but I think there is an issue here. I figured a sort value was assigned to each item, and certainly a larger value of n in random(n) gives, what, more room to move? I would expect 1000 iterations of random(3) to give an even spread of 1's, 2's and 3's. It does, of course. Howwever, randomizing, through 1000 iterations, my three items with random(3) yields a list heavily weighted in favor of item 1. It appears far more often, repeatably, than it ought to. Why item 1? With random(100) the dispersion is as expected. The value of n has to be about 15 or more to yield what looks like a reasonable output, at least with three or four items, the only options I tested. I don't get why. Craig Newman From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu Feb 11 10:28:20 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:28:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? Message-ID: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Hello, I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get these mailing lists, but I am very very frustrated. Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company cards, even after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear and I was giving it the right information, etc. I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this out without international calls to scottland. He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of this. I am very displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this and makes an attempt to return my correspondence. agitated, andrew kluthe -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Sorta-OT-Buying-runrev-tp1477367p1477367.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 11 10:31:27 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:31:27 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <12CC9E85-F083-4BAC-B3FB-D111875BD405@mac.com> Message-ID: <425A4800977348A6B9E4081320822148@Kestner.local> Hi Bj?rnke, I already wondered what you are doing down there in the foggy Pampa :) Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bj?rnke von Gierke > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2010 16:06 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - > completely offtopic > > Oi! > > Matthias moved me to the fields of Milano! > Not acceptable. Keep your hands off my position, you filthy apes ;-) From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 10:40:05 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:40:05 -0600 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: <5914.5faff9d7.38a57a22@aol.com> References: <5914.5faff9d7.38a57a22@aol.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002110740q94b94daref19b43e65089e63@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:20 AM, wrote: > Thanks for the responses, but I think there is an issue here. > > I figured a sort value was assigned to each item, and certainly a larger > value of n in random(n) gives, what, more room to move? > > Howwever, randomizing, through 1000 iterations, my three items with > random(3) yields a list heavily weighted in favor of item 1. > Because, not all random number generators are created equally... There's a ton of math behind "random" numbers. Remember, random numbers are not really random. The term "random" in this context is intended to imply that the next value in the sequence is unknown. How evenly distributed (and how often the sequence repeats itself) it dependent upon what random number generator Rev used in its implementation. I don't see anything in the dictionary or general documentation that suggests which is used. It could be anything from the libc implementation of rand() - which would be a very fast and very poor random number generator - to something like the Mersenee Twister to generate random numbers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister), which is slow, but produces good randoms. Your application's needs will dictate whether or not Rev's random numbers will work well for you or not. Jeff M. From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 10:57:54 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:57:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <311514.45864.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> https://secure.runrev.com/store/other-ways-to-order/ Andrew, Fought the same fight. If you go to the above link you can order what you need and then you have thirty days to send them a check. My credit card has some security on it that flags RR. Don't buy on the installment plan because you'll have to convince the credit card company each month that it is an "o.k" company. To top it off the credit card folks charged another $10 for a foreign charge. It's not RR's fault, but still something you don't want to wade into if you don't have to. Mike --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > From: Andrew Kluthe > Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 9:28 AM > > Hello, > > I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev > get these mailing > lists, but I am very very frustrated. > > Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for > development. > The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our > company cards, even > after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was > clear and I was > giving it the right information, etc. > > I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. > > My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort > this out without > international calls to scottland. > > He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of > this. I am very > displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this > and makes an > attempt to return my correspondence. > > agitated, > andrew kluthe > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Sorta-OT-Buying-runrev-tp1477367p1477367.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 11 10:59:39 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:59:39 +0000 Subject: Re-3: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic Message-ID: <00000518.4B74377A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Oh, sorry, that was accidental. I clicked on it, because i thought i get a more detailed view. I was not aware, that i moved it. Please accept my excuse. Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic (11-Feb-2010 16:10) From: Bj?rnke von Gierke To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Oi! > > Matthias moved me to the fields of Milano! > Not acceptable. Keep your hands off my position, you filthy apes ;-) > > It seems as if this is not really going to be a decent solution, someone > could go in and move everybody to Antarctica, and for my taste It's quite > cold enough where I currently reside... > > > On 11 Feb 2010, at 15:41, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > This map works, > > if anybody doesn't like google - you can log off google immediatly after > > having set your pin ;) > > So Andre and the others, you come over to this map? > > P.S. > > You don't have to pin your detailed address, if you don't want to have sit > > someday a rev couch surfer on your sofa ;) > > Tiemo > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bj?rnke von Gierke > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 15:01 > >> An: How to use Revolution > >> Betreff: Re: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have > a > >> google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my > >> maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: > >> > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966 > > 954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188 > > &t=h&z=2 > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Thu Feb 11 11:08:53 2010 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:08:53 +0100 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... Message-ID: <4B742B95.9090303@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, > with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting > this into an iRev slide show. > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ Thanks for the pictures. Works fine here - slideshow and music - on Windows with the "SeaMonkey" browser, the successor of Netscape. Some time ago I stayed quite near to you for a week at "Plantation Hale Suites" also at Kapaa, now Best Western...., on my way to work for several months in South Korea. I vividly remember the beautiful landscapes and beaches of Kauai and especially the Waimea Canyon, the "Grand Canyon of the Pacific". Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 11:20:09 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:20:09 -0600 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B742E39.3060806@hyperactivesw.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Hello, > > I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get these mailing > lists, but I am very very frustrated. You can't depend on them reading it. Sometimes they do, sometimes they are too busy. > > Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. > The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company cards, even > after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear and I was > giving it the right information, etc. > > I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. If you only ordered yesterday and you are in the U.S. then there was a good chance that it was after business hours in Scotland, and your ticket would wait in the queue until Heather came in today. She is very good about answering these things and I'm sure she will get back to you. The third-party payment system they use has its own ideas sometimes about card security which it is out of RR's hands. Heather can help you make other arrangements though, or help push your card through in some cases. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 11:22:43 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:22:43 -0500 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: <5914.5faff9d7.38a57a22@aol.com> References: <5914.5faff9d7.38a57a22@aol.com> Message-ID: <57FFCBF0-F474-4285-92DE-2C10BF1FDFB1@gmail.com> Brian Yennie gave the explanation. When you use random(3) as a sort key you have a high chance (in fact I think it's 50%) that two of the items will be assigned the same sort key, and thus their relative position will be preserved, giving a decidedly non-random sort. If you sort by random(1000000) or some suitably high number the chances of getting the same sortkey in your three iterations is miniscule. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:20 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the responses, but I think there is an issue here. > > I figured a sort value was assigned to each item, and certainly a > larger > value of n in random(n) gives, what, more room to move? > > I would expect 1000 iterations of random(3) to give an even spread > of 1's, > 2's and 3's. It does, of course. > > Howwever, randomizing, through 1000 iterations, my three items with > random(3) yields a list heavily weighted in favor of item 1. It > appears far more > often, repeatably, than it ought to. Why item 1? With random(100) the > dispersion is as expected. The value of n has to be about 15 or more > to yield what > looks like a reasonable output, at least with three or four items, > the only > options I tested. > > I don't get why. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu Feb 11 11:26:15 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:26:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <4B742E39.3060806@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B742E39.3060806@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1265905575974-1477441.post@n4.nabble.com> After this post and the subsequent email I got a quick response from Heather. Thank you for your help. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Sorta-OT-Buying-runrev-tp1477367p1477441.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 11:27:33 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:27:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <4B742E39.3060806@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <642334.61158.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jacque, In my case it was my own credit card company, not WorldPay, that put up the fuss. In any case, it isn't RR's fault and Heather does do everything she can to help people out. Mike QUOTE: ---------- ----------------- The third-party payment system they use has its own ideas sometimes about card security which it is out of RR's hands. Heather can help you make other arrangements though, or help push your card through in some cases. ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- On Thu, 2/11/10, J. Landman Gay wrote: > From: J. Landman Gay > Subject: Re: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 10:20 AM > Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am unsure of whether or not people that work for > runrev get these mailing > > lists, but I am very very frustrated. > > You can't depend on them reading it. Sometimes they do, > sometimes they are too busy. > > > > > Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for > development. > > The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of > our company cards, even > > after calling our cardholder and making sure > everything was clear and I was > > giving it the right information, etc. > > > > I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. > > If you only ordered yesterday and you are in the U.S. then > there was a good chance that it was after business hours in > Scotland, and your ticket would wait in the queue until > Heather came in today. She is very good about answering > these things and I'm sure she will get back to you. > > The third-party payment system they use has its own ideas > sometimes about card security which it is out of RR's hands. > Heather can help you make other arrangements though, or help > push your card through in some cases. > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ? > ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software? ? ? ? > ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 11:29:44 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:29:44 +0000 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. > The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company cards, even > after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear and I was > giving it the right information, etc. It happens for me all the time, as I'm on the other side of the pond. I made a purchase today for less than $100, and had it refused by my credit card company until I phoned them up and verified it. Last month the same thing happened when I made a $6 (!) purchase of an ebook via credit card. Both times because I was buying from a site in the US. I guess there is an awful lot of credit card fraud going on. It's inconvenient, and even laughable in the case of a $6 purchase. If you've ever set up a payment system using paypal or google checkout or many of the others, you'll know that electronic payments is a whole world of pain. Unbelievable, but there it is. Hopefully your email will be seen by someone at RunRev soon. Bernard From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 11 11:54:17 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:54:17 -0800 Subject: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <12CC9E85-F083-4BAC-B3FB-D111875BD405@mac.com> References: <12CC9E85-F083-4BAC-B3FB-D111875BD405@mac.com> Message-ID: <19653255578.20100211085417@ahsoftware.net> Bj?rnke- Thursday, February 11, 2010, 7:06:00 AM, you wrote: > It seems as if this is not really going to be a decent solution, > someone could go in and move everybody to Antarctica, and for my > taste It's quite cold enough where I currently reside... Maybe we should all move to Andre's swimming pool in Niteroi. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From vokey at uleth.ca Thu Feb 11 11:55:24 2010 From: vokey at uleth.ca (Vokey, John) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:55:24 -0700 Subject: Sorting question Message-ID: <218F9CD0-3E2D-4719-8E4C-F4E26B26471D@uleth.ca> This function provides for a *truly uniform* random sort: function scramble x -- scramble lines or items in a row put the number of lines of x into z if z = 1 then put the number of items of x into n else put the number of lines of x into n repeat with i=n down to 2 put random(i) into k if z=1 then put item k of x into t else put line k of x into t if z=1 then put item i of x into item k of x else put line i of x into line k of x if z=1 then put t into item i of x else put t into line i of x end repeat return x end scramble -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 11 12:11:08 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:11:08 -0800 Subject: Sorting question In-Reply-To: <9D7F0263-FDD7-4970-A572-290C9CDB7D35@derbrill.de> References: <20100202180005.155F728824B@mail.runrev.com> <9D7F0263-FDD7-4970-A572-290C9CDB7D35@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <12754266000.20100211091108@ahsoftware.net> Malte- Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:32:09 AM, you wrote: > In most cases, this would make the sequence predictable (if you > were to set the randomseed to a fixed value). > I have happened to have written a tiny article on predictable > random numbers in the last newsletter: > http://runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue86/newsletter3.php Setting the randomseed to a fixed value does indeed provide a repeatable random pattern, and that's one of the tools I use to achieve random data testing and still be able to find and repeat a problem data set. Setting the randomseed to something less predictable can give results that are more... er... random: set the randomseed to the milliseconds so it depends on what your intentions are. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From davidocoker at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 12:55:29 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:55:29 -0600 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Hello, > > I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get these mailing > lists, but I am very very frustrated. > > Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. > The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company cards, even > after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear and I was > giving it the right information, etc. > > I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. > > My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this out without > international calls to scottland. > > He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of this. I am very > displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this and makes an > attempt to return my correspondence. > > agitated, > andrew kluthe I recently went through the same thing and can assure you that the problem is *not* caused by RunRev. ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock on international orders, which depending on their policies, can be corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. Another good option is to use PayPal. Best regards, David C. From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Feb 11 16:28:05 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:28:05 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators Message-ID: Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any given Mac file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be nice to know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long files" or the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is just what I'm looking for; the creator and file type. Thanks, Ray Horsley LinkIt! Software From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 13:36:03 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:36:03 -0500 Subject: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <19653255578.20100211085417@ahsoftware.net> References: <12CC9E85-F083-4BAC-B3FB-D111875BD405@mac.com> <19653255578.20100211085417@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <25D3A718-E8D5-4E7C-AB7A-32D631836D0F@gmail.com> On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bj?rnke- > > Thursday, February 11, 2010, 7:06:00 AM, you wrote: > >> It seems as if this is not really going to be a decent solution, >> someone could go in and move everybody to Antarctica, and for my >> taste It's quite cold enough where I currently reside... > > Maybe we should all move to Andre's swimming pool in Niteroi. ... or move his swimming pool to a more convenient location... it's just a matter of clicking and dragging, after all... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 13:36:18 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:36:18 +0200 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B744E22.7070608@gmail.com> On 11/02/2010 23:28, Ray Horsley wrote: > Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any given > Mac file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be > nice to know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the > "long files" or the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param > which is just what I'm looking for; the creator and file type. > http://www.everydaysoftware.net/quickchange/ From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 11 13:50:10 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:50:10 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If type and creator are not listed, then they are empty and whatever created the files did not include that information in the file - it's not automatic on file creation. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 11 February 2010 13:28, Ray Horsley wrote: > Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any given Mac > file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be nice to > know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long files" or > the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is just what I'm > looking for; the creator and file type. > > Thanks, > > Ray Horsley > LinkIt! Software > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Feb 11 16:53:53 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:53:53 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <845C0393-2FE8-4BFE-97BD-1681E3BC1079@LinkIt.Com> Thanks! And by the way, the QuickChange program works well. And you're right, .zip files don't seem to have this info. Ray Horsley LinkIt! Software On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:50 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > If type and creator are not listed, then they are empty and whatever > created > the files did not include that information in the file - it's not > automatic > on file creation. > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > On 11 February 2010 13:28, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any >> given Mac >> file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be >> nice to >> know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long >> files" or >> the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is just >> what I'm >> looking for; the creator and file type. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Horsley >> LinkIt! Software >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 11 14:04:28 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:04:28 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RE file types and creators, this is a utility that every mac developer should have. It allows examination and batch change of file types and creators. FILE TYPE AND CREATOR http://www.frederikseiffert.de/filetype/ This is a great companion for batch suffix OR any name changes: R-NAME http://movieconverter.online.fr/DL/R-NameUB.zip the original author and his website have disappeared, but someone has kindly recompiled from the source code this version, Universal, which works with Mac OS10.5.8 PPC for me. There is some word that this utility destroys spotlight comments, no biggie for me. Both are Donationware products that I've used for years. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 11 February 2010 10:50, stephen barncard wrote: > If type and creator are not listed, then they are empty and whatever > created the files did not include that information in the file - it's not > automatic on file creation. > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > > On 11 February 2010 13:28, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any given Mac >> file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be nice to >> know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long files" or >> the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is just what I'm >> looking for; the creator and file type. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Horsley >> LinkIt! Software >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From ray at linkit.com Thu Feb 11 17:54:17 2010 From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:54:17 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I've actually got is a folder of about 1000 tiny GIF files, about 4K each, and I'm trying to setup an automatic download both on Mac and Windows. The download at 4 megs with so many files takes forever unless I compress the files using zip on the Mac and StuffIt on Windows to make an SEA. Windows works nice and transparently since StuffIt for Windows lets me prepare the SEA so it auto extracts in the same folder and self deletes. The problem on the Mac side is the zip file does not self extract since I can't count on Archive Utility being there (sometimes it's call "BOM Archive" or something weird). Even if I use Rev's launch command to try to extract from the zip file it returns true in the result but does nothing. Unfortunately StuffIt for Mac doesn't let me set it up to extract to the same folder which means I have to prompt the user to determine where things go, definitely a no-no in educational software. Rev's compress feature doesn't seem to let me combine multiple files into a single file. Any ideas? Thanks, Ray Horsley LinkIt! Software On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:04 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > RE file types and creators, this is a utility that every mac developer > should have. It allows examination and batch change of file types and > creators. > > FILE TYPE AND CREATOR > http://www.frederikseiffert.de/filetype/ > > This is a great companion for batch suffix OR any name changes: > R-NAME > http://movieconverter.online.fr/DL/R-NameUB.zip > > the original author and his website have disappeared, but someone > has kindly > recompiled from the source code this version, Universal, which works > with > Mac OS10.5.8 PPC for me. There is some word that this utility destroys > spotlight comments, no biggie for me. > > Both are Donationware products that I've used for years. > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > On 11 February 2010 10:50, stephen barncard > wrote: > >> If type and creator are not listed, then they are empty and whatever >> created the files did not include that information in the file - >> it's not >> automatic on file creation. >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> San Francisco >> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev >> >> >> >> On 11 February 2010 13:28, Ray Horsley wrote: >> >>> Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any >>> given Mac >>> file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be >>> nice to >>> know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long >>> files" or >>> the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is >>> just what I'm >>> looking for; the creator and file type. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray Horsley >>> LinkIt! Software >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From cszasz at mac.com Thu Feb 11 15:03:10 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:03:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing In-Reply-To: <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net> References: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2BABFB7E-2EE3-477E-AFF3-17DFE03CE4C5@mac.com> Hi Mary! I have busy trying to finish up my project. As you know, the longer you work on a project there is an increased possibility of making some changes to it. I decided to add page numbers to my marked cards so the user could see them as they go through the cards. I tried the following in a preOpenCard script for card named "eligibility": on preOpenCard mark card "eligibility" repeat with x = 1 to the number of marked cards put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x end repeat end preOpenCard This script does not generates any errors but the field "pageNumber" does not get anything and remains blank. Any ideas or suggestions? On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Marty Knapp [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > I would place a field on each card that you can populate just before you > print > > repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards > put "Page" && x into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x > end repeat > > --do your printing > --then clear the field: > > repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards > put empty into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x > end repeat > > > I have been working on a project that uses marked cards based on an user's > > input. When the user selects a card or cards, they become marked for > > printing. I want to add a page number at the bottom when printing the marked > > cards. > > There are around 70 cards which makes it very difficult to include page > > numbers on the cards when printing since they may not be sequential. In my > > situation, only about 6 to 11 cards would been selected by the user. Has > > anybody developed a means of assigning page numbers to marked cards when > > printing them as marked cards? > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://n4.nabble.com/Page-numbers-for-marked-cards-for-printing-tp1008255p1008275.html > To unsubscribe from Page numbers for marked cards for printing, click here. > Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Page-numbers-for-marked-cards-for-printing-tp1008255p1477731.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 11 15:05:06 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:05:06 +0100 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C69C788-627D-424B-9595-119A5EB41589@mac.com> You do know that Rev has a zip external, right? Tho you need to create the code to combine the files yourself. Unfortunately Rev has no "create hierarchical zip file" command. try to read some of the revzip entries in the dictionary. On 11 Feb 2010, at 23:54, Ray Horsley wrote: > What I've actually got is a folder of about 1000 tiny GIF files, about 4K each, and I'm trying to setup an automatic download both on Mac and Windows. The download at 4 megs with so many files takes forever unless I compress the files using zip on the Mac and StuffIt on Windows to make an SEA. Windows works nice and transparently since StuffIt for Windows lets me prepare the SEA so it auto extracts in the same folder and self deletes. The problem on the Mac side is the zip file does not self extract since I can't count on Archive Utility being there (sometimes it's call "BOM Archive" or something weird). Even if I use Rev's launch command to try to extract from the zip file it returns true in the result but does nothing. Unfortunately StuffIt for Mac doesn't let me set it up to extract to the same folder which means I have to prompt the user to determine where things go, definitely a no-no in educational software. Rev's compress feature doesn't seem to let me combine multiple files into a single file. Any ideas? -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 11 15:06:12 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:06:12 -0500 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F985EFF-4EB8-45FC-9C55-1EC404765A0B@qldlearning.com> Ray, One approach would be to wrap your own archive around Rev's compress() function, i.e. put compress(file1Data) into file1Compressed write (the length of file1Compressed)&":" to file "myZip" write file1Compressed to file "myZip" ... put compress(file1000Data) into file1000Compressed write (the length of file1000Compressed)&":" to file "myZip" write file1000Compressed to file "myZip" IOW, write out the length of the file followed by the actual file data, repeat for each file. When you want to extract, do something like: read from file "myZip" until ":" put it into tLength read from file "myZip" for tLength put it into compressedData ... NOTE: code untested and probably broken, but hopefully helps. Basically the only thing you need to do is squash your compressed files together, but you need to store the length of each in order to find them again. > What I've actually got is a folder of about 1000 tiny GIF files, about 4K each, and I'm trying to setup an automatic download both on Mac and Windows. The download at 4 megs with so many files takes forever unless I compress the files using zip on the Mac and StuffIt on Windows to make an SEA. Windows works nice and transparently since StuffIt for Windows lets me prepare the SEA so it auto extracts in the same folder and self deletes. The problem on the Mac side is the zip file does not self extract since I can't count on Archive Utility being there (sometimes it's call "BOM Archive" or something weird). Even if I use Rev's launch command to try to extract from the zip file it returns true in the result but does nothing. Unfortunately StuffIt for Mac doesn't let me set it up to extract to the same folder which means I have to prompt the user to determine where things go, definitely a no-no in educational software. Rev's compress feature doesn't seem to let me combine multiple files into a single file. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Ray Horsley > LinkIt! Software > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:04 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> RE file types and creators, this is a utility that every mac developer >> should have. It allows examination and batch change of file types and >> creators. >> >> FILE TYPE AND CREATOR >> http://www.frederikseiffert.de/filetype/ >> >> This is a great companion for batch suffix OR any name changes: >> R-NAME >> http://movieconverter.online.fr/DL/R-NameUB.zip >> >> the original author and his website have disappeared, but someone has kindly >> recompiled from the source code this version, Universal, which works with >> Mac OS10.5.8 PPC for me. There is some word that this utility destroys >> spotlight comments, no biggie for me. >> >> Both are Donationware products that I've used for years. >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> San Francisco >> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev >> >> >> On 11 February 2010 10:50, stephen barncard >> wrote: >> >>> If type and creator are not listed, then they are empty and whatever >>> created the files did not include that information in the file - it's not >>> automatic on file creation. >>> ------------------------- >>> Stephen Barncard >>> San Francisco >>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11 February 2010 13:28, Ray Horsley wrote: >>> >>>> Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any given Mac >>>> file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be nice to >>>> know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long files" or >>>> the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is just what I'm >>>> looking for; the creator and file type. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ray Horsley >>>> LinkIt! Software From cszasz at mac.com Thu Feb 11 15:07:32 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:07:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing part 2 In-Reply-To: <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net> References: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mary, Correction - I do get an error when I use the following script: on preOpenCard mark card "eligibility" repeat with x = 1 to the number of marked cards put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x end repeat end preOpenCard This script generates the following error message: card "Eligibility": execution error at line 5 (Chunk: no such object) near "PageNumber", char 23 Any suggestions? On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Marty Knapp [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > I would place a field on each card that you can populate just before you > print > > repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards > put "Page" && x into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x > end repeat > > --do your printing > --then clear the field: > > repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards > put empty into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x > end repeat > > > I have been working on a project that uses marked cards based on an user's > > input. When the user selects a card or cards, they become marked for > > printing. I want to add a page number at the bottom when printing the marked > > cards. > > There are around 70 cards which makes it very difficult to include page > > numbers on the cards when printing since they may not be sequential. In my > > situation, only about 6 to 11 cards would been selected by the user. Has > > anybody developed a means of assigning page numbers to marked cards when > > printing them as marked cards? > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://n4.nabble.com/Page-numbers-for-marked-cards-for-printing-tp1008255p1008275.html > To unsubscribe from Page numbers for marked cards for printing, click here. > Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Page-numbers-for-marked-cards-for-printing-tp1008255p1477738.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Ray at LinkIt.Com Thu Feb 11 18:21:19 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:21:19 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: <1C69C788-627D-424B-9595-119A5EB41589@mac.com> References: <1C69C788-627D-424B-9595-119A5EB41589@mac.com> Message-ID: Ah Haaaaa! I didn't know that. Just glancing at the dictionary has given me hope that this is not only doable but possibly in short order. Brian Yennie has also suggested something along these lines only writing the compressed file myself, which also seems pretty straight forward. Thanks guys! Ray Horsley LinkIt! Software On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > You do know that Rev has a zip external, right? > > Tho you need to create the code to combine the files yourself. > Unfortunately Rev has no "create hierarchical zip file" command. > > try to read some of the revzip entries in the dictionary. > > On 11 Feb 2010, at 23:54, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> What I've actually got is a folder of about 1000 tiny GIF files, >> about 4K each, and I'm trying to setup an automatic download both >> on Mac and Windows. The download at 4 megs with so many files >> takes forever unless I compress the files using zip on the Mac and >> StuffIt on Windows to make an SEA. Windows works nice and >> transparently since StuffIt for Windows lets me prepare the SEA so >> it auto extracts in the same folder and self deletes. The problem >> on the Mac side is the zip file does not self extract since I can't >> count on Archive Utility being there (sometimes it's call "BOM >> Archive" or something weird). Even if I use Rev's launch command >> to try to extract from the zip file it returns true in the result >> but does nothing. Unfortunately StuffIt for Mac doesn't let me set >> it up to extract to the same folder which means I have to prompt >> the user to determine where things go, definitely a no-no in >> educational software. Rev's compress feature doesn't seem to let >> me combine multiple files into a single file. Any ideas? > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From barryb at libero.it Thu Feb 11 15:24:24 2010 From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:24:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - completely offtopic Message-ID: <21292494.1337441265919864439.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:31:27 +0100 Tiemo Hollmann wrote: >Hi Bj?rnke, >I already wondered what you are doing down there in the foggy Pampa :) >Tiemo And I've been walking the fields looking under all the hedges for him! Barry (Milan Province) > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bj?rnke von Gierke > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2010 16:06 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: revolutionairies world map, was: Andre's house - > completely offtopic > > Oi! > > Matthias moved me to the fields of Milano! > Not acceptable. Keep your hands off my position, you filthy apes ;-) From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 11 15:34:46 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:34:46 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: tar in the shell man tar in terminal tar -cjf foo.tar.bz2 bar/ create bzipped tar archive of the directory bar called foo.tar.bz2 fast and efficient. does what you want, preserves file folder hierarchy. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 11 February 2010 14:54, Ray Horsley wrote: > What I've actually got is a folder of about 1000 tiny GIF files, about 4K > each, and I'm trying to setup an automatic download both on Mac and Windows. > The download at 4 megs with so many files takes forever unless I compress > the files using zip on the Mac and StuffIt on Windows to make an SEA. > Windows works nice and transparently since StuffIt for Windows lets me > prepare the SEA so it auto extracts in the same folder and self deletes. > The problem on the Mac side is the zip file does not self extract since I > can't count on Archive Utility being there (sometimes it's call "BOM > Archive" or something weird). Even if I use Rev's launch command to try to > extract from the zip file it returns true in the result but does nothing. > Unfortunately StuffIt for Mac doesn't let me set it up to extract to the > same folder which means I have to prompt the user to determine where things > go, definitely a no-no in educational software. Rev's compress feature > doesn't seem to let me combine multiple files into a single file. Any > ideas? > > > Thanks, > > Ray Horsley > LinkIt! Software > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:04 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > > RE file types and creators, this is a utility that every mac developer >> should have. It allows examination and batch change of file types and >> creators. >> >> FILE TYPE AND CREATOR >> http://www.frederikseiffert.de/filetype/ >> >> This is a great companion for batch suffix OR any name changes: >> R-NAME >> http://movieconverter.online.fr/DL/R-NameUB.zip >> >> the original author and his website have disappeared, but someone has >> kindly >> recompiled from the source code this version, Universal, which works with >> Mac OS10.5.8 PPC for me. There is some word that this utility destroys >> spotlight comments, no biggie for me. >> >> Both are Donationware products that I've used for years. >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> San Francisco >> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev >> >> >> On 11 February 2010 10:50, stephen barncard < >> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> If type and creator are not listed, then they are empty and whatever >>> created the files did not include that information in the file - it's not >>> automatic on file creation. >>> ------------------------- >>> Stephen Barncard >>> San Francisco >>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11 February 2010 13:28, Ray Horsley wrote: >>> >>> Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for any given >>>> Mac >>>> file? I'm particularly interested in .zip files but it would be nice to >>>> know how to ascertain this for any Mac file. Getting the "long files" >>>> or >>>> the detailed files" usually leaves off the 11th param which is just what >>>> I'm >>>> looking for; the creator and file type. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ray Horsley >>>> LinkIt! Software >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From claus at dreischer.de Thu Feb 11 15:36:10 2010 From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:36:10 +0100 Subject: revBrowserSet, search a second string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B746A3A.1010905@dreischer.de> Hi Terry, i think i have found some vital information regarding this problem: >From my tests a browser refresh like revBrowserRefresh sBrowserId breaks any subsequent searches like revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "This" I don't think this is supposed to happen, right? I tested on Win XP with IE 6 Anyone like to test and confirm? revGoURL "http://www.dreischer.de/RefreshBrowser.rev" Works on Mac OS X 10.6, but breaks (= does not search anymore) on Win XP. I think this qualifies as a bug. Regards, Claus. Am 11.02.10 01:57, schrieb Terry Judd: > OK - it looks like the OSX and Win versions of the browser function > differently here (nothing new about that). While the method I suggested > doesn't work with the Win browser, I did find that calling the revBrowserSet > command twice will do the trick. > > For example, using the runrev home page as a testbed... > > RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "platform" > -- selects a single instance of the word platform in the footer section of > the page > RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "enterprise" > -- selects a substring of a word a couple of lines down > RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "platform" > -- does nothing but... > RevBrowserSet 1, "selected", "platform" > -- selects the previously selected instance of the string > > I'd still report this as it doesn't work as reported and there is nothing > more painful than having to implement platform specific workarounds > (actually, not being able to come up with any satisfactory workaround for a > particular platform is definitely more annoying). > > HTH, > > Terry... From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu Feb 11 16:18:31 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:18:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Docking/Placing stacks in certain place Message-ID: <1265923111849-1477803.post@n4.nabble.com> I want a new stack to appear in a particular place on another stack (new stack opens up in the same place on a main stack) and dock (or at least nor resize). Anyone do something similar to this or have any suggestion on how to do it? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Docking-Placing-stacks-in-certain-place-tp1477803p1477803.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu Feb 11 16:33:08 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:33:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help message Broadcasting system Message-ID: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've realized that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume needs to be developed early in the process, is for a Help system. For Example: 1.You click a field, lets say the field is for entering an insurance policy number. 2. A box that is always on the bottom of the card/stack displays information from a help Table in a db telling you the format of the purpose of this field. (i.e. what to put here, what it means, what format it needs to be in, etc.) I said that I could use tooltips to do something similar, but they really want that little yellow help box. Reading up on GLX, it said something about handling broadcasting. Can I use GLX's broadcasting features to do something like this? Am I misunderstanding the purpose of broadcasting? Am I spinning off into the wrong quadrant of space? Your thoughts. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Help-message-Broadcasting-system-tp1477816p1477816.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:44:26 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:44:26 -0400 Subject: Embedded Flash Player Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002111344vb8bc59cqf5e17b3945298d85@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jiro, on Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:39:07 +0900 Jiro Harada wrote: > (Sorry for the delay. I couldn't reply owing to a recent bereavement.) Jiro, you have my sincere condolences. All developers in this mail list feel saddened to hear of your loss. Recently, we learn about Bill Marriot and Kevin's niece decease. Our thoughts and prayers are with you too. > My external launches a Java virtual machine and calls > the main method in the Flash server("Red5") written in Java > Java runtime environment 1.5(JRE1.5) or later is required for the > Flash server. Therefore JRE1.5 or later is needed for running > my application. Thanks for clarifying this. Hopefully, this information will be added to F-ab website. Alejandro From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 11 16:48:26 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:48:26 +0100 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2AD0BB84-0555-41EE-A8FC-9DC8550E1D0C@mac.com> I'd do it like this, a script in every object that needs a help entry: on mouseMove set the text of field "Yellow Help Box" to the help of me end mouseMove In the property inspector, go to the "custom properties" part, and click the topmost "+" sign. in the dialog enter "help", and then enter the appropriate content into the bottommost field. Note: if you develop cross platform apps, then you do want to use mactoiso() or isotomac() on the custom property contents. One or the other, depending on which platform() you do fill the properties. As for the GLX framework, I only glanced at it shortly once, and thought it overly complex. like almost everything i look at these days... Have fun Bj?rnke On 11 Feb 2010, at 22:33, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've realized > that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. > > A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume needs to be > developed early in the process, is for a Help system. > > For Example: > > 1.You click a field, lets say the field is for entering an insurance policy > number. > > 2. A box that is always on the bottom of the card/stack displays information > from a help Table in a db telling you the format of the purpose of this > field. (i.e. what to put here, what it means, what format it needs to be in, > etc.) > > I said that I could use tooltips to do something similar, but they really > want that little yellow help box. > > Reading up on GLX, it said something about handling broadcasting. > > Can I use GLX's broadcasting features to do something like this? Am I > misunderstanding the purpose of broadcasting? Am I spinning off into the > wrong quadrant of space? > > Your thoughts. From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:51:01 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:51:01 -0600 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002111351g1ed03402x95f37ce525b045b8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've > realized > that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. > > A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume needs to be > developed early in the process, is for a Help system. > > For Example: > > 1.You click a field, lets say the field is for entering an insurance policy > number. > > 2. A box that is always on the bottom of the card/stack displays > information > from a help Table in a db telling you the format of the purpose of this > field. (i.e. what to put here, what it means, what format it needs to be > in, > etc.) > Andrew, I don't know anything about GLX, but if I were you - since this "feature" would likely permeate throughout your app - I'd do something that didn't require you having to edit code in every single control of your app to broadcast or otherwise change the help text. Instead, what about just having a background message loop processing that's always checking the current focus target and displaying the help text for it (if that option is enabled). For example: [[ -- begin source code -- ]] local sTarget on openCard -- start the Help System message loop send "displayHelp" to me in 1 second end openCard on displayHelp get the focusedObject -- don't continuously do the same work for the same control if it is not sTarget then put it into sTarget -- TODO: update the contents of stack "Help" -- if the stack is closed, but the option is enabled, open it now if the mode of stack "Help" is 0 and gHelpEnabled then modeless stack "Help" end if end if -- continue the help message loop send "displayHelp" to me in 1 second end displayHelp [[ -- end source code -- ]] That way, you can just set data in each control that you want to display help for and don't have to actually do any coding for any of them. Jeff M. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 16:51:36 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:51:36 -0600 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > So... how do we distribute this link, without making it publicly available? any ideas? Too late. It's already in all the public archives. I did add myself to the map yesterday. I hesitated, but then figured since my address was already public on my web site, there was no reason not to put it on the map too. Hope others add themselves, it would be interesting to see where we all are. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Feb 11 16:54:30 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:54:30 +0100 Subject: Docking/Placing stacks in certain place In-Reply-To: <1265923111849-1477803.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923111849-1477803.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <38F3CFC9-95F2-474C-939B-C81F8E0B10C0@major.on-rev.com> Hi Andrew, > > I want a new stack to appear in a particular place on another stack (new > stack opens up in the same place on a main stack) and dock (or at least nor > resize). > > Anyone do something similar to this or have any suggestion on how to do it? you can set the height and width or loc or rect etc. of "the templatestack" before you create a new stack! Example: ... set the height of the templatestack to 128 set the width of the templatestack to 256 set the bottomleft of the templatestack to 0, item 4 of the screenrect create stack ... Will place a new stack with your predefined dimensions in the bottom left corner of the screen. See "the templateXXX" in the docs (Rev Dictionary). Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 11 17:01:20 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:01:20 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Uhm.. just so that no one is confused, adding yourself to the map does _not_ reveal your email at google to anyone (tho 99% of the times it's of course going to be @gmail.com). On 11 Feb 2010, at 22:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: >> So... how do we distribute this link, without making it publicly available? any ideas? > > Too late. It's already in all the public archives. I did add myself to the map yesterday. I hesitated, but then figured since my address was already public on my web site, there was no reason not to put it on the map too. > > Hope others add themselves, it would be interesting to see where we all are. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rodney.tamblyn at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:09:11 2010 From: rodney.tamblyn at gmail.com (rodney tamblyn) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:09:11 +1300 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7D94FAB0-88A7-4D75-A28A-2EE6A5A6197E@gmail.com> Hi Andrew, Here is a simple example stack I put together to illustrate how the GLX Application Framework broadcast system works. I hope this helps. ~ Rodney On 12/02/2010, at 10:33 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've realized > that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. > > A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume needs to be > developed early in the process, is for a Help system. > > For Example: > > 1.You click a field, lets say the field is for entering an insurance policy > number. > > 2. A box that is always on the bottom of the card/stack displays information > from a help Table in a db telling you the format of the purpose of this > field. (i.e. what to put here, what it means, what format it needs to be in, > etc.) > > I said that I could use tooltips to do something similar, but they really > want that little yellow help box. > > Reading up on GLX, it said something about handling broadcasting. > > Can I use GLX's broadcasting features to do something like this? Am I > misunderstanding the purpose of broadcasting? Am I spinning off into the > wrong quadrant of space? > > Your thoughts. > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Help-message-Broadcasting-system-tp1477816p1477816.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From edljr at mac.com Thu Feb 11 17:08:58 2010 From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:08:58 -0600 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: David is right; this is not RunRev's fault and should not bring discredit upon them. Each purchase I make from them requires me to call my bank to authorize the transaction. It is worth the phone call. Maybe's Andre's revTalk/PayPal experiment will get implemented in the RunRev store. Ed On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Coker wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get these >> mailing >> lists, but I am very very frustrated. >> >> Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. >> The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company >> cards, even >> after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear >> and I was >> giving it the right information, etc. >> >> I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. >> >> My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this out >> without >> international calls to scottland. >> >> He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of this. I >> am very >> displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this and >> makes an >> attempt to return my correspondence. >> >> agitated, >> andrew kluthe > > I recently went through the same thing and can assure you that the > problem is *not* caused by RunRev. > ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock on > international orders, which depending on their policies, can be > corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. Another good option > is to use PayPal. > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:13:30 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:13:30 +1000 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > Hope others add themselves, it would be interesting to see where we all are. Yes, and we need a pin for the RunRev offices. I asked Google to give me directions to some of these locations, but it failed miserably and said it couldn't be done. So the only person I can get to is Terry - I'll be there in 21 hours and 46 minutes Terry :-) Cheers, Sarah From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 11 17:28:55 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:28:55 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> I had problems with the bank and it was due to a word that is listed with someone like Homeland Security bringing up a red flag. I think the word was Revolution. The bank said they would fix it for me so it would not red flag again. -=>JB<=- On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote: > David is right; this is not RunRev's fault and should not bring > discredit upon them. > > Each purchase I make from them requires me to call my bank to > authorize the transaction. It is worth the phone call. > > Maybe's Andre's revTalk/PayPal experiment will get implemented in > the RunRev store. > > Ed > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Coker wrote: > >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get >>> these mailing >>> lists, but I am very very frustrated. >>> >>> Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. >>> The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company >>> cards, even >>> after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear >>> and I was >>> giving it the right information, etc. >>> >>> I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. >>> >>> My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this out >>> without >>> international calls to scottland. >>> >>> He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of this. >>> I am very >>> displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this and >>> makes an >>> attempt to return my correspondence. >>> >>> agitated, >>> andrew kluthe >> >> I recently went through the same thing and can assure you that the >> problem is *not* caused by RunRev. >> ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock on >> international orders, which depending on their policies, can be >> corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. Another good option >> is to use PayPal. >> >> Best regards, >> David C. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu Feb 11 17:31:44 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:31:44 +1100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I dunno Sarah - I kind of like to sleep in until at least 7 on a Saturday morning. But if you don't mind watching cartoons with my early rising five-year old for an hour or two ;) Terry... On 12/02/10 9:13 AM, "Sarah Reichelt" wrote: >> Hope others add themselves, it would be interesting to see where we all are. > > Yes, and we need a pin for the RunRev offices. > > I asked Google to give me directions to some of these locations, but > it failed miserably and said it couldn't be done. > So the only person I can get to is Terry - I'll be there in 21 hours > and 46 minutes Terry :-) > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 17:42:26 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:42:26 -0600 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Hope others add themselves, it would be interesting to see where we all are. > > Yes, and we need a pin for the RunRev offices. > > I asked Google to give me directions to some of these locations, but > it failed miserably and said it couldn't be done. > So the only person I can get to is Terry - I'll be there in 21 hours > and 46 minutes Terry :-) When Andre posted his map, Google offered to give me driving and walking directions. It decided to back out after I clicked the link. Wonder how long it would take me to walk about 4000 miles... I should see what it says about yours. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 11 17:42:56 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:42:56 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob Message-ID: Hi all. I don't seem to see any documentation on how to properly use the built in browser that is included in runrev now. I downloaded the sample stack, but short of picking that apart piece by piece and figuring out what parts are essential and what are not, I don't think that is going to help. Basically I intend to make a stack that expands to the size of the current monitor resolution (minus the Mac menu or the PC task bar of course) and launch a fixed URL, which is a flash stream coming from our main web site. This is for a special app for someone who recently had a minor stroke and doesn't always remember how to work all the controls and gadgets that might be in a full featured stack like the sample. So all I really need to know is how to get the URL of a flash movie to load in a window. Thanks in advance. Bob From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Feb 11 17:45:01 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:45:01 EST Subject: Sorting question, at rest Message-ID: <15707.50d24282.38a5e26d@aol.com> Peter. I think I now see the difference when a random sortkey is used to randomize, as opposed to simply creating a random list from data: put "1,2,3" into temp repeat 100 put item random(3) of temp & return after myList --works well end repeat is very different than: put "1,2,3" into temp repeat 100 sort items of temp by random(3) put temp & return after myList -- hardly works at all end repeat I saw them as similar. I was wrong. Craig Newman In a message dated 2/11/10 11:23:00 AM, pmbrig at gmail.com writes: > Brian Yennie gave the explanation. When you use random(3) as a sort? > key you have a high chance (in fact I think it's 50%) that two of the? > items will be assigned the same sort key, and thus their relative? > position will be preserved, giving a decidedly non-random sort. If you? > sort by random(1000000) or some suitably high number the chances of? > getting the same sortkey in your three iterations is miniscule. > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 17:53:04 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:53:04 -0600 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002111351g1ed03402x95f37ce525b045b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <963c86eb1002111351g1ed03402x95f37ce525b045b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B748A50.7030503@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Instead, what about just having a background message loop processing that's > always checking the current focus target and displaying the help text for it > (if that option is enabled). For example: Good approach, that. I'd use a built-in message in the engine instead though, it's shorter. In the stack script (or whatever script is in the hierarchy for all the relevant objects): on mousemove x,y put the helptext of the target into fld "help field" end mousemove Then make a custom property called "helptext" for any object that needs to display it. This handler will automatically empty the helptext field when appropriate, because if a custom property doesn't exist in an object, its value is returned as empty. One advantage to the above is that you don't need any loops or messaging. One disadvantage is that you have to remember to pass the mousemove message if any of the controls also use it, but that's minor. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:56:21 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:56:21 +1000 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Basically I intend to make a stack that expands to the size of the current monitor resolution (minus the Mac menu or the PC task bar of course) and launch a fixed URL, which is a flash stream coming from our main web site. > > This is for a special app for someone who recently had a minor stroke and doesn't always remember how to work all the controls and gadgets that might be in a full featured stack like the sample. > > So all I really need to know is how to get the URL of a flash movie to load in a window. Thanks in advance. Here is what I do: Script to open browser: on mouseUp put the windowID of this stack into tWindowID -- open the browser, using the windowID and initial URL put revBrowserOpen(tWindowID, "http://www.runrev.com") into tBrowserId -- set the rect of the browser revBrowserSet tBrowserId, "rect", rect of grc "BrowserRect" -- set a border round the browser revBrowserSet tBrowserId, "showBorder", true end mouseUp Script to close all browsers when finished: on mouseUp put revBrowserInstances() into tInstances repeat for each item tInstance in tInstances revBrowserClose tInstance end repeat end mouseUp I have these as button scripts, but you probably want to make them part of openStack & closeStack handlers. Make a stack and draw a rectangle graphic to whatever size you want. Or if you want to fill the window completely, use this: revBrowserSet tBrowserId, "rect", rect of this card Then in the preOpenStack, you could resize the stack to fill the screen. Cheers, Sarah From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 11 18:08:55 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:08:55 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <15775733062.20100211150855@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:42:26 PM, you wrote: > When Andre posted his map, Google offered to give me driving and walking > directions. It decided to back out after I clicked the link. Wonder how > long it would take me to walk about 4000 miles... > I should see what it says about yours. I got driving directions from California to Sarah's place. Step 7 takes me 721 miles north through Oregon to Washington. Step 13 says "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" Entering Hawaii Step 28 says "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" Entering Japan Then Step 92 says "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" Entering Australia (Northern Territory) Finally at Step 125 is "Turn left at Rumbalara St" -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 11 18:09:56 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:09:56 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:42:26 PM, you wrote: > I should see what it says about yours. Oh... and total distance 13,896 miles - about 54 days 18 hours -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 18:12:11 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:12:11 +0800 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <2AD0BB84-0555-41EE-A8FC-9DC8550E1D0C@mac.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <2AD0BB84-0555-41EE-A8FC-9DC8550E1D0C@mac.com> Message-ID: Andrew, I basically agree with Bj?rnke with a couple of comments: 'help' is a constant and a message in Rev so using it as a custom property may cause problems. As I guess you've already seen, most people have some kind of prefix naming convention: g??? Global variable??? gMyGlobal t?? ? Local 'temporary' variable??? tMyVar s??? Script-local variable??? sMyVar p??? Parameter (also called an argument)??? sMyParam k??? Constant??? kMyNumber u??? User-defined (or custom) properties??? uMyProp (stolen without permission from Richard Gaskin's excellent Fourth World site) http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html Secondly, look up 'target' in the Dictionary. Basically you can use this to save yourself a lot of scripting. Instead of placing the same script in every object you want Help, you just have to have one script at the stack or card level, depending on your set up. If you already have a DB with the Help statements then you would need to add another column, 'target' and enter the matching data. You already know how to extract data out of a DB using Rev so nothing new there. If you haven't got that DB set up, then I think Bj?rnke's suggestion of using custom properties is a good one. The information is stored in a logical location, easy to find and update. Rather than 'the text of field', have a look at 'HTMLText' in the Dictionary. That way you can add little icons and bold text etc for more emphasis, just like Rev's Dictionary. Lastly, I'd probably use mouseEnter rather than mouseMove. Over a large field, mouseMove could be sent multiple times, causing your script to be triggered unnecessarily. MouseEnter will only be sent once. on mouseEnter ? set the HTMLText of field "Yellow Help Box" to the uMyHelp of the target end mouseEnter HTH 2010/2/12 Bj?rnke von Gierke > > I'd do it like this, a script in every object that needs a help entry: > > on mouseMove > ?set the text of field "Yellow Help Box" to the help of me > end mouseMove > > In the property inspector, go to the "custom properties" part, and click the topmost "+" sign. ?in the dialog enter "help", and then enter the appropriate content into the bottommost field. > > Note: if you develop cross platform apps, then you do want to use mactoiso() or isotomac() on the custom property contents. One or the other, depending on which platform() you do fill the properties. > > As for the GLX framework, I only glanced at it shortly once, and thought it overly complex. like almost everything i look at these days... > > Have fun > Bj?rnke > > On 11 Feb 2010, at 22:33, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > > > I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've realized > > that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. > > > > A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume needs to be > > developed early in the process, is for a Help system. > > > > For Example: > > > > 1.You click a field, lets say the field is for entering an insurance policy > > number. > > > > 2. A box that is always on the bottom of the card/stack displays information > > from a help Table in a db telling you the format of the purpose of this > > field. (i.e. what to put here, what it means, what format it needs to be in, > > etc.) > > > > I said that I could use tooltips to do something similar, but they really > > want that little yellow help box. > > > > Reading up on GLX, it said something about handling broadcasting. > > > > Can I use GLX's broadcasting features to do something like this? Am I > > misunderstanding the purpose of broadcasting? Am I spinning off into the > > wrong quadrant of space? > > > > Your thoughts. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 18:14:07 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:14:07 -0600 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B748F3F.8020303@hyperactivesw.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > > I don't seem to see any documentation on how to properly use the > built in browser that is included in runrev now. I downloaded the > sample stack, but short of picking that apart piece by piece and > figuring out what parts are essential and what are not, I don't think > that is going to help. Click the Dictionary icon in Rev's toolbar. In the side panel, expand the Library list if it isn't already open. Then click "Browser", which is the first entry under the Library heading. All the revBrowser commands and functions are in there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mdswindell at cruzio.com Thu Feb 11 18:14:46 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:14:46 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> Message-ID: The banks are soooo messed up when it comes to protecting themselves against credit card fraud. I spent the summer in Europe and even though I called and told Citi specific dates of where I would be and inclusive dates of when I would be there, on multiple occasions my card was rejected to my great frustration. Another call, another inconvenience, another bad excuse and passing of the buck. Sort of defeats the purpose of a card, I would say. It was all a bunch of babbledegook... nonsense to hide the fact that they had no act together, whatsoever. Bottom line, "This isn't really about you, customer, it's about us." Next time I will carry my local credit union's MasterCard and if I have an issue I'll talk to Mary the Supervisor, not extension 4,562 in unknown city "D." Mark On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:28 PM, -= JB =- wrote: > I had problems with the bank and it was due to a word that > is listed with someone like Homeland Security bringing up > a red flag. I think the word was Revolution. > > The bank said they would fix it for me so it would not red > flag again. > > -=>JB<=- > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote: > >> David is right; this is not RunRev's fault and should not bring discredit upon them. >> >> Each purchase I make from them requires me to call my bank to authorize the transaction. It is worth the phone call. >> >> Maybe's Andre's revTalk/PayPal experiment will get implemented in the RunRev store. >> >> Ed >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Coker wrote: >> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get these mailing >>>> lists, but I am very very frustrated. >>>> >>>> Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. >>>> The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company cards, even >>>> after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear and I was >>>> giving it the right information, etc. >>>> >>>> I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. >>>> >>>> My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this out without >>>> international calls to scottland. >>>> >>>> He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of this. I am very >>>> displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this and makes an >>>> attempt to return my correspondence. >>>> >>>> agitated, >>>> andrew kluthe >>> >>> I recently went through the same thing and can assure you that the >>> problem is *not* caused by RunRev. >>> ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock on >>> international orders, which depending on their policies, can be >>> corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. Another good option >>> is to use PayPal. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> David C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 18:15:16 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:15:16 -0600 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4B748F84.50402@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:42:26 PM, you wrote: > >> I should see what it says about yours. > > Oh... and total distance 13,896 miles - about 54 days 18 hours > Send us a postcard when you arrive, okay? And don't forget to pack your wetsuit. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 11 18:15:25 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:15:25 +0100 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <60E70E76-CE19-432C-AC11-BB7BDA67B9EC@mac.com> On 12 Feb 2010, at 00:09, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:42:26 PM, you wrote: > >> I should see what it says about yours. > > Oh... and total distance 13,896 miles - about 54 days 18 hours Wow, you've got arms like no other human being! Using a Kajak to cover about 200 miles a _day_, now that'd be a nice record... Here's a nicer link to the map: http://www.qurl.tk/4o -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 18:22:27 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:22:27 -0600 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <2AD0BB84-0555-41EE-A8FC-9DC8550E1D0C@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B749133.7060202@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > Lastly, I'd probably use mouseEnter rather than mouseMove. Over a > large field, mouseMove could be sent multiple times, causing your > script to be triggered unnecessarily. MouseEnter will only be sent > once. I thought about that, and in fact the field doesn't even have to be very large for it to trigger multiple times, but that's an advantage. Sometimes mouseEnter doesn't trigger. MouseMove almost always does. If the user is moving very fast or there is an overlapping control, you don't always get a mouseEnter, and you only have one shot at it. Then you also have to catch mouseLeave too, in order to empty the help field text. So I think I'd still use mousemove here. I used mousemove in my Klondike game, where each iteration executed a very long handler, and there was no noticeable slowdown. That was about 10 years ago now, when machines were slower. So now I don't worry about it any more. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 18:30:30 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:30:30 +0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <15775733062.20100211150855@ahsoftware.net> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <15775733062.20100211150855@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Step 13 says "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" > ?Entering Hawaii > Step 28 says "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" > ?Entering Japan > Then Step 92 says "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" > ?Entering Australia (Northern Territory) As usual, you can never trust Google directions. Every time I've kayaked from the US to Oz after Hawaii head for Johnston Atoll, then the Marshall Islands, Nauru, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, New Caledonia. Then it's just a quick hop across to Brisbane. I don't know where Google get off trying to make life hard like that. Then again, maybe it's because the US don't want anyone visiting Johnston Atoll. From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 11 18:45:27 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:45:27 -1000 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <4B748A50.7030503@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <963c86eb1002111351g1ed03402x95f37ce525b045b8@mail.gmail.com> <4B748A50.7030503@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <003401caab74$4a13d450$de3b7cf0$@com> Jacque wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > > > Instead, what about just having a background message loop processing > that's > > always checking the current focus target and displaying the help text > for it > > (if that option is enabled). For example: > > > > Good approach, that. I'd use a built-in message in the engine instead > though, it's shorter. > > In the stack script (or whatever script is in the hierarchy for all the > relevant objects): > > on mousemove x,y > put the helptext of the target into fld "help field" > end mousemove > > Then make a custom property called "helptext" for any object that needs > to display it. > > This handler will automatically empty the helptext field when > appropriate, because if a custom property doesn't exist in an object, > its value is returned as empty. One advantage to the above is that you > don't need any loops or messaging. One disadvantage is that you have to > remember to pass the mousemove message if any of the controls also use > it, but that's minor. I was just about to suggest what Jacque just suggested. ;-) To piggyback on her suggestion... You may want to use a custom property set of the main stack or even a separate text file, so that all your help messages are in one place. And, if someday, you want to make your app multilingual, having all of your help messages in one place to be translated will be convenient. To do this requires a custom property set. So, instead of: put the helpText of target into fld "helpField" it would be : put the helpText[target] of stack "" into fld "helpField" Jeff, one other suggestion. By putting the custom messaging the way you have it in the openCard of every card, it is possible, if someone has say 20 cards the user has gone to, that you have 20 displayHelp messages looping every second, just milliseconds apart, even when your app is idle. To avoid this, you should always check the pendingMessages first before sending a custom repeating message as in: if "displayHelp" is not in the pendingMessages then send displayHelp to me in 1 second end if The other advantage of using Rev built-in messaging is that they may not trigger when say the app is minimized of otherwise off-screen. Especially, for example, if you use mouseEnter instead of mouseMove. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From alex at tweedly.net Thu Feb 11 18:49:02 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:49:02 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> Jeff Massung wrote: > Warren, > > I've read through most of these suggestions, but I'm surprised that the > obvious hasn't been suggested yet (that I've seen): skip everything... > > Hasn't been suggested because it won't work. > put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd > open file "myfile.txt" for text update > seek to tEnd in file "myfile.txt" > > >From here just back up a "reasonable" number of characters... say 200. Find > the last CR character, nuke everything else and close the file. Didn't find > one? Try backing up another 200, etc. It'll be a whole lot faster. > > "... nuke everything else ...." ?? How ? You've opened the file for update, so anything that you write to the file *overwrites* any existing characters at the same position(s), and leaves everything following that unchanged. So there is no way to shorten a file if opened in update mode. I *think* the best you can do is 1. find file length (best to use the detailed files) 2. open for read, and read some chunk at the end (200, 1000, whatever ....) (open for read is more efficient than open for update) 3. calculate the number of bytes to be deleted off the end of the file 4. close the file 5. open the file for append 6. write empty to the file at the appropriate point > Edge case to concern yourself with would be if your file happens to end with > a CR and maybe you want to ignore those cases. But that should be easy > enough to solve. > > Easiest (and I think best) way to resolve that corner case is to preserve the trailing CR if it's there to begin with, and not leave one if it wasn't there to start with. This happens to involve no extra work at all, hence it's the easiest one :-) I decided it was time to email some (reasonably tested) revTalk rather than just ideas .... (NB assumes that the defaultfolder has already been set to the appropriate place) > on deletelastline pFile > constant K = 1000 > put the detailed files into t > filter t with pFile & ",*" > put item 2 of t into tFileLength > > open file pFile for read > seek to tFileLength-K in file pFile > read from file pFile until end > close file pFile > > put the number of chars in the last line of it into tNum > > open file pFile for append > write empty to file pFile at (tFileLength-tNum-3) > close file pFile > > end deletelastline -- Alex. From rjb at robelko.com Thu Feb 11 18:11:02 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:11:02 +0100 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> Message-ID: On 11.02.10 at 09:12 -0500 Thomas McGrath III apparently wrote: >Slideshow is great but NO music here??? > >Safari 4.0.4 >OSX 10.6.2 > >Tom McGrath III >Lazy River Software >3mcgrath at comcast.net > Same here. Slideshow but no music. Firefox 3.5.7 OSX 10.4.11 PowerBook G4 Robert From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 11 18:53:35 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:53:35 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <396CBFDF-C178-4D56-9960-7AA6B0A43B1D@twft.com> Hi Sarah. Thanks! I did get the thing running by copy/pasting everything in the browser card of the sample. Now my problem is, when I create a button the size of the stack in front of the browser with a script to quit, the click never gets to the button. I moved the object to the front all right, but it seems when the browser is displaying content, the browser is the frontmost object. I can kind of see why this is the case, but now that breaks my idea of being able to click and have the app quit. Anyone have any ideas on this last hurdle? Bob On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Basically I intend to make a stack that expands to the size of the current monitor resolution (minus the Mac menu or the PC task bar of course) and launch a fixed URL, which is a flash stream coming from our main web site. >> >> This is for a special app for someone who recently had a minor stroke and doesn't always remember how to work all the controls and gadgets that might be in a full featured stack like the sample. >> >> So all I really need to know is how to get the URL of a flash movie to load in a window. Thanks in advance. > > > Here is what I do: > > Script to open browser: > > on mouseUp > put the windowID of this stack into tWindowID > > -- open the browser, using the windowID and initial URL > put revBrowserOpen(tWindowID, "http://www.runrev.com") into tBrowserId > > -- set the rect of the browser > revBrowserSet tBrowserId, "rect", rect of grc "BrowserRect" > > -- set a border round the browser > revBrowserSet tBrowserId, "showBorder", true > end mouseUp > > > Script to close all browsers when finished: > > on mouseUp > put revBrowserInstances() into tInstances > repeat for each item tInstance in tInstances > revBrowserClose tInstance > end repeat > end mouseUp > > I have these as button scripts, but you probably want to make them > part of openStack & closeStack handlers. > > Make a stack and draw a rectangle graphic to whatever size you want. > Or if you want to fill the window completely, use this: > revBrowserSet tBrowserId, "rect", rect of this card > > Then in the preOpenStack, you could resize the stack to fill the screen. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 18:56:34 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:56:34 +0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Oh, I'm starting to feel good about my bank, which has done some pretty stupid things security wise with my account/card details, but lets not go there. When I head off to some new location for business my wife usually gets a call from the bank asking to verify charges in Bandra West, India. Once verified, whenever I go back, no more calls. When my wife heads off for a conference somewhere, when I get the call from the bank asking if charges is Durban, South Africa are OK, it helps take some of the shock of discovering she's bought half the countries cultural artwork as souvenirs ;-) I keep telling her, one day I'll tell the bank No, but of course that's a two way street. I once had trouble with WorldPay when buying Rev, but it was all to do with VerifyVisa, once I reset my long forgotten password (as I think WorldPay purchasing Rev is the only time VerifyVisa wants my password so I only use it once a year) everything worked fine. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: > The banks are soooo messed up when it comes to protecting themselves against credit card fraud. ?I spent the summer in Europe and even though I called and told Citi specific dates of where I would be and inclusive dates of when I would be there, on multiple occasions my card was rejected to my great frustration. ?Another call, another inconvenience, another bad excuse and passing of the buck. > > Sort of defeats the purpose of a card, I would say. ?It was all a bunch of babbledegook... nonsense to hide the fact that they had no act together, whatsoever. ?Bottom line, "This isn't really about you, customer, it's about us." ?Next time I will carry my local credit union's MasterCard and if I have an issue I'll talk to Mary the Supervisor, not extension 4,562 in unknown city "D." > > Mark > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:28 PM, -= JB =- wrote: > >> I had problems with the bank and it was due to a word that >> is listed with someone like Homeland Security bringing up >> a red flag. ?I think the word was Revolution. >> >> The bank said they would fix it for me so it would not red >> flag again. >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote: >> >>> David is right; this is not RunRev's fault and should not bring discredit upon them. >>> >>> Each purchase I make from them requires me to call my bank to authorize the transaction. It is worth the phone call. >>> >>> Maybe's Andre's revTalk/PayPal experiment will get implemented in the RunRev store. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Coker wrote: >>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get these mailing >>>>> lists, but I am very very frustrated. >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. >>>>> The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our company cards, even >>>>> after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was clear and I was >>>>> giving it the right information, etc. >>>>> >>>>> I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. >>>>> >>>>> My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this out without >>>>> international calls to scottland. >>>>> >>>>> He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of this. I am very >>>>> displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this and makes an >>>>> attempt to return my correspondence. >>>>> >>>>> agitated, >>>>> andrew kluthe >>>> >>>> I recently went through the same thing and can assure you that the >>>> problem is *not* caused by RunRev. >>>> ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock on >>>> international orders, which depending on their policies, can be >>>> corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. Another good option >>>> is to use PayPal. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> David C. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 11 19:11:15 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:11:15 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <003a01caab77$e51c5e60$af551b20$@com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > > Warren, > > > > I've read through most of these suggestions, but I'm surprised that > the > > obvious hasn't been suggested yet (that I've seen): skip > everything... > > > > > Hasn't been suggested because it won't work. > > > put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd > > open file "myfile.txt" for text update > > seek to tEnd in file "myfile.txt" > > > > >From here just back up a "reasonable" number of characters... say > 200. Find > > the last CR character, nuke everything else and close the file. > Didn't find > > one? Try backing up another 200, etc. It'll be a whole lot faster. > > > > > "... nuke everything else ...." ?? How ? > You've opened the file for update, so anything that you write to the > file *overwrites* any existing characters at the same position(s), and > leaves everything following that unchanged. So there is no way to > shorten a file if opened in update mode. > > I *think* the best you can do is > > 1. find file length (best to use the detailed files) > 2. open for read, and read some chunk at the end (200, 1000, whatever > ....) > (open for read is more efficient than open for update) > 3. calculate the number of bytes to be deleted off the end of the file > 4. close the file > 5. open the file for append > 6. write empty to the file at the appropriate point > > Edge case to concern yourself with would be if your file happens to > end with > > a CR and maybe you want to ignore those cases. But that should be > easy > > enough to solve. > > > > > Easiest (and I think best) way to resolve that corner case is to > preserve the trailing CR if it's there to begin with, and not leave one > if it wasn't there to start with. This happens to involve no extra work > at all, hence it's the easiest one :-) > > I decided it was time to email some (reasonably tested) revTalk rather > than just ideas .... > > (NB assumes that the defaultfolder has already been set to the > appropriate place) > > on deletelastline pFile > > constant K = 1000 > > put the detailed files into t > > filter t with pFile & ",*" > > put item 2 of t into tFileLength > > > > open file pFile for read > > seek to tFileLength-K in file pFile > > read from file pFile until end > > close file pFile > > > > put the number of chars in the last line of it into tNum > > > > open file pFile for append > > write empty to file pFile at (tFileLength-tNum-3) > > close file pFile > > > > end deletelastline > -- Alex. Just one thing Alex, you need to: put URLDecode(the detailed files) into t in case the file name has, for example, a space in it. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 11 19:26:31 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:26:31 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> The problem I had was not just my bank. It was with WorldPay and the fact the money was going overseas plus the word which caused the red flag. So it took a special combination of things. -=>JB<=- On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Oh, I'm starting to feel good about my bank, which has done some > pretty stupid things security wise with my account/card details, but > lets not go there. > > When I head off to some new location for business my wife usually gets > a call from the bank asking to verify charges in Bandra West, India. > Once verified, whenever I go back, no more calls. > > When my wife heads off for a conference somewhere, when I get the call > from the bank asking if charges is Durban, South Africa are OK, it > helps take some of the shock of discovering she's bought half the > countries cultural artwork as souvenirs ;-) I keep telling her, one > day I'll tell the bank No, but of course that's a two way street. > > I once had trouble with WorldPay when buying Rev, but it was all to do > with VerifyVisa, once I reset my long forgotten password (as I think > WorldPay purchasing Rev is the only time VerifyVisa wants my password > so I only use it once a year) everything worked fine. > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Mark Swindell > wrote: >> The banks are soooo messed up when it comes to protecting >> themselves against credit card fraud. I spent the summer in >> Europe and even though I called and told Citi specific dates of >> where I would be and inclusive dates of when I would be there, on >> multiple occasions my card was rejected to my great frustration. >> Another call, another inconvenience, another bad excuse and >> passing of the buck. >> >> Sort of defeats the purpose of a card, I would say. It was all a >> bunch of babbledegook... nonsense to hide the fact that they had >> no act together, whatsoever. Bottom line, "This isn't really >> about you, customer, it's about us." Next time I will carry my >> local credit union's MasterCard and if I have an issue I'll talk >> to Mary the Supervisor, not extension 4,562 in unknown city "D." >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:28 PM, -= JB =- wrote: >> >>> I had problems with the bank and it was due to a word that >>> is listed with someone like Homeland Security bringing up >>> a red flag. I think the word was Revolution. >>> >>> The bank said they would fix it for me so it would not red >>> flag again. >>> >>> -=>JB<=- >>> >>> >>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote: >>> >>>> David is right; this is not RunRev's fault and should not bring >>>> discredit upon them. >>>> >>>> Each purchase I make from them requires me to call my bank to >>>> authorize the transaction. It is worth the phone call. >>>> >>>> Maybe's Andre's revTalk/PayPal experiment will get implemented >>>> in the RunRev store. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Coker wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am unsure of whether or not people that work for runrev get >>>>>> these mailing >>>>>> lists, but I am very very frustrated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday I got the go ahead to get what I need for development. >>>>>> The WorldPay shopping system refuses to take any of our >>>>>> company cards, even >>>>>> after calling our cardholder and making sure everything was >>>>>> clear and I was >>>>>> giving it the right information, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot get any responses ever back from support at runrev.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> My boss is pissed, I am pissed, and he wants me to sort this >>>>>> out without >>>>>> international calls to scottland. >>>>>> >>>>>> He is starting to think runrev is sketchy because of all of >>>>>> this. I am very >>>>>> displeased and hope that someone from the company sees this >>>>>> and makes an >>>>>> attempt to return my correspondence. >>>>>> >>>>>> agitated, >>>>>> andrew kluthe >>>>> >>>>> I recently went through the same thing and can assure you that the >>>>> problem is *not* caused by RunRev. >>>>> ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock on >>>>> international orders, which depending on their policies, can be >>>>> corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. Another good >>>>> option >>>>> is to use PayPal. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> David C. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 19:27:01 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:27:01 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002111627p7f4842d7g678a299e8820d87b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > >> Warren, >> >> I've read through most of these suggestions, but I'm surprised that the >> obvious hasn't been suggested yet (that I've seen): skip everything... >> >> >> > Hasn't been suggested because it won't work. > > > put the length of url "file:myfile.txt" into tEnd >> open file "myfile.txt" for text update >> seek to tEnd in file "myfile.txt" >> >> >From here just back up a "reasonable" number of characters... say 200. >> Find >> the last CR character, nuke everything else and close the file. Didn't >> find >> one? Try backing up another 200, etc. It'll be a whole lot faster. >> >> >> > "... nuke everything else ...." ?? How ? > > I'm still new to Rev, but in other languages this is dead simple: void truncate_huge_file(const char* filename) { FILE* fp = fopen(filename,"wb"); char bytes[200]; size_t new_len; // move to the end of the file, read 200 bytes fseek(fp, -200, SEEK_END); fread(bytes, 1, 200, fp); // .. TODO: scan for end of line, repeat as needed // .. TODO: seek SEEK_CUR past what should still be there new_len = ftell(fp); // nuke everything else at the end of the file trunctate(fp, new_len); fclose(fp); } Done. Now, maybe this isn't as easy in Rev as it is in C and *many* other languages. But it should be [if it isn't]. Jeff M. From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 11 19:30:03 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:30:03 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <262F0CF7-8561-4764-BFC7-AA609AFFB2ED@twft.com> Hi all. I think I found a solution for my click-to-quit problem. If I enable advanced features and intercept the browserClick message then I can have the app quit but only in Windows (sigh). Good thing I am writing this exclusively for Windows. :-) Bob > Hi Sarah. > > Thanks! I did get the thing running by copy/pasting everything in the browser card of the sample. Now my problem is, when I create a button the size of the stack in front of the browser with a script to quit, the click never gets to the button. I moved the object to the front all right, but it seems when the browser is displaying content, the browser is the frontmost object. > > I can kind of see why this is the case, but now that breaks my idea of being able to click and have the app quit. Anyone have any ideas on this last hurdle? > > Bob > > From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 11 19:34:52 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:34:52 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Wait, this is America! I thought Revolution was a good thing?? :-) Bob On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:26 PM, -= JB =- wrote: > The problem I had was not just my bank. It was with WorldPay and > the fact the money was going overseas plus the word which caused > the red flag. So it took a special combination of things. > > -=>JB<=- From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 11 19:39:36 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:39:36 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Just as long as you aren't supporting one overseas I guess. -=>JB<=- On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Wait, this is America! I thought Revolution was a good thing?? :-) > > Bob > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:26 PM, -= JB =- wrote: > >> The problem I had was not just my bank. It was with WorldPay and >> the fact the money was going overseas plus the word which caused >> the red flag. So it took a special combination of things. >> >> -=>JB<=- > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 11 19:42:33 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:42:33 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Message-ID: but we are ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 11 February 2010 16:39, -= JB =- wrote: > Just as long as you aren't supporting one overseas I guess. > > -=>JB<=- > > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Wait, this is America! I thought Revolution was a good thing?? :-) >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:26 PM, -= JB =- wrote: >> >> The problem I had was not just my bank. It was with WorldPay and >>> the fact the money was going overseas plus the word which caused >>> the red flag. So it took a special combination of things. >>> >>> -=>JB<=- >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Feb 11 19:46:30 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:46:30 -0500 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've > realized > that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. Welcome aboard Andrew. I think you will find the framework very useful for application development as it provides the vital pieces that you need for creating and maintaining an application in Revolution. The alternative is to spend time writing your own equivalents. While that would be an educational experience you don't get much bang for your buck. There is still a lot of areas that need more thorough documentation so if you have a question ask. That usually gives me enough incentive to add a few lessons. There is a Google Group you can send questions to. The link is on the main GLX Application Framework page. http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/ > A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume > needs to be > developed early in the process, is for a Help system. > > For Example: > > ... > Reading up on GLX, it said something about handling broadcasting. > > Can I use GLX's broadcasting features to do something like this? Am I > misunderstanding the purpose of broadcasting? Am I spinning off into > the > wrong quadrant of space? I would go with the advice you have received from others rather than using the broadcasting feature of the framework. In your situation you have multiple objects that are trying to display information in a central location. The data is flowing into the help display but nobody else really needs to know that the help display has been updated. The broadcasting APIs included with the framework are relevant when you have lots of parties interested in any changes made to a single object (the reverse of what you are doing). Basically broadcasting providers a way for any number of objects to sign up and say, "Hey, I want to know when object A's property is changed or such and such an event occurs." When object A's property is changed or the event occurs object A sends out a broadcast. The Broadcasting API dispatches messages to all the objects that signed up to be notified. Object A doesn't need to know who is signed up. One concrete example that may prove useful - in one of my apps I have a lesson table in a SQL database. The title of a lesson can be displayed in a number of different places in the UI. Each UI element that displays the lesson title has signed up to be notified when the lesson title is changed in the database. When the lesson title is changed a broadcast is made and a message is sent out to each object that signed up to be notified. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 19:49:05 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:49:05 +0800 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <4B749133.7060202@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <2AD0BB84-0555-41EE-A8FC-9DC8550E1D0C@mac.com> <4B749133.7060202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Jacque, I'm treading very carefully here because I'm a mere peasant in the shadow of a Master, but is it really the case that you can move the mouse fast, but stop it in an object and not have the mouseEnter message sent? Whilst I accept that it 'may'* be possible to move the mouse completely across an object so fast that the mouseEnter message isn't sent, in the case of toolTips, or contextual Help, this isn't a concern, in fact it's a good thing that you don't get a dozen scripts activated and Help messages popping up when really all you want is the Help for the object under the final resting place of the mouse. *As a quick test I created a new stack with a large field in the middle and entered the following scripts: on mouseEnter put "MouseEnter" into Msg end mouseEnter on mouseMove put cr & "MouseMove" after Msg end mouseMove on mouseLeave put cr & "MouseLeave" after msg end mouseLeave Whilst running the mouse as quickly as possible across the field I could easily end up with no text in the Msg box, indicating no messages were sent at all, not even mouseMove. Slowing down a bit I always got all 3 messages. Every time I came to a halt in the field I always had the MouseEnter text. I've extensively used mouseEnter for pop-up text activation and have never noticed it didn't work. Isn't this what the Engine uses for ToolTips? Obviously this isn't extensive testing, but if people are experiencing mouseEnter messages not being sent, isn't this an Engine problem that should be sent the QCC? I appreciate the problem with overlapping objects, but this is covered in the Dictionary. I await thy wisdom :-) On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Kay C Lan wrote: > >> Lastly, I'd probably use mouseEnter rather than mouseMove. Over a >> large field, mouseMove could be sent multiple times, causing your >> script to be triggered unnecessarily. MouseEnter will only be sent >> once. > > I thought about that, and in fact the field doesn't even have to be very > large for it to trigger multiple times, but that's an advantage. Sometimes > mouseEnter doesn't trigger. MouseMove almost always does. If the user is > moving very fast or there is an overlapping control, you don't always get a > mouseEnter, and you only have one shot at it. Then you also have to catch > mouseLeave too, in order to empty the help field text. So I think I'd still > use mousemove here. > > I used mousemove in my Klondike game, where each iteration executed a very > long handler, and there was no noticeable slowdown. That was about 10 years > ago now, when machines were slower. So now I don't worry about it any more. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 11 19:51:49 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:51:49 -0800 Subject: FileTypes and Creators Message-ID: <4B74A625.5090204@fourthworld.com> Ray Horsley wrote: > Anybody know how to find out what these 8 characters are for > any given Mac file? See 4W FileTyper in the Stacks section of RevNet - in Rev, go Development->Plugins->GoRevNet Just drop a file onto it to see the type and creator code that it gets from "the detailed files", and it uses AppleScript to let you change them as well. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 19:55:53 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:55:53 +0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:39 AM, -= JB =- wrote: > Just as long as you aren't supporting one overseas I guess. > Sorry, I thought that's what the CIA did ;-) From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 11 19:57:36 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:57:36 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85974909-3BE1-4362-A8E2-D73DED444996@twft.com> again. Apparently it still does not quit on click. I have this in my stack startup: revBrowserSet the altBrowserId of this stack, "messages", "true" and I handle it here: on browserClick send "closeStackRequest" to this card in 1 second end browserClick on closeStackRequest local tBrowserId put the altBrowserID of this stack into tBrowserId if tBrowserId is among the items of revBrowserInstances() then revBrowserClose tBrowserId end if set the altBrowserID of this stack to empty close this stack end closeStackRequest Clicking in the browser does not quit the app. Any ideas why this would not work? Bob > Hi all. > > I think I found a solution for my click-to-quit problem. If I enable advanced features and intercept the browserClick message then I can have the app quit but only in Windows (sigh). Good thing I am writing this exclusively for Windows. :-) > > Bob > > > >> Hi Sarah. >> >> Thanks! I did get the thing running by copy/pasting everything in the browser card of the sample. Now my problem is, when I create a button the size of the stack in front of the browser with a script to quit, the click never gets to the button. I moved the object to the front all right, but it seems when the browser is displaying content, the browser is the frontmost object. >> >> I can kind of see why this is the case, but now that breaks my idea of being able to click and have the app quit. Anyone have any ideas on this last hurdle? >> >> Bob >> > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 11 19:59:31 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:59:31 -0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File Message-ID: <4B74A7F3.50408@fourthworld.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > I'm still new to Rev, but in other languages this is dead simple: > > void truncate_huge_file(const char* filename) > { > FILE* fp = fopen(filename,"wb"); > char bytes[200]; > size_t new_len; > > // move to the end of the file, read 200 bytes > fseek(fp, -200, SEEK_END); > fread(bytes, 1, 200, fp); > > // .. TODO: scan for end of line, repeat as needed > // .. TODO: seek SEEK_CUR past what should still be there > > new_len = ftell(fp); > > // nuke everything else at the end of the file > trunctate(fp, new_len); > fclose(fp); > } > > Done. > > Now, maybe this isn't as easy in Rev as it is in C and *many* other > languages. But it should be [if it isn't]. That looks similar to what I posted here on the 9th: open file tFile for update seek relative -1000 in file tFile repeat read from file tFile until cr if it is not empty then put it after tBuffer else delete last line of tBuffer write tBuffer to file tFile end if end repeat close file tFile Does that not do what you need? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 20:00:29 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:00:29 +1000 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:42:26 PM, you wrote: > >> I should see what it says about yours. > > Oh... and total distance 13,896 miles - about 54 days 18 hours Adding to my calendar: Mark arriving 4:58 AM on 8th April. Hmmm, please be a few hours late - I'm not at my best that time of the morning. Sarah From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 11 20:04:03 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:04:03 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Message-ID: That is absolutely true. But they want to make sure you invest with them even if you don't like their policy or they will prevent you from investing in one. It is their concept of freedom. Similar to freedom of press in America. The news media have the freedom to report anything they want as long as they approve of it. Pogo said, we have met the enemy and they is US. -=>JB<=- On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:42 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > but we are > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > On 11 February 2010 16:39, -= JB =- wrote: > >> Just as long as you aren't supporting one overseas I guess. >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> >> Wait, this is America! I thought Revolution was a good thing?? :-) >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:26 PM, -= JB =- wrote: >>> >>> The problem I had was not just my bank. It was with WorldPay and >>>> the fact the money was going overseas plus the word which caused >>>> the red flag. So it took a special combination of things. >>>> >>>> -=>JB<=- >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 11 20:15:20 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:15:20 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <283317812.20100211171520@ahsoftware.net> Sarah- Thursday, February 11, 2010, 5:00:29 PM, you wrote: > Adding to my calendar: Mark arriving 4:58 AM on 8th April. > Hmmm, please be a few hours late - I'm not at my best that time of the morning. Well, after kayaking 200 miles a day I'll probably want to curl up in the guest room and hibernate until... let's see... 54 days and 18 hours before RunRevLive 2010 so I can start the return journey. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Feb 11 20:29:17 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:29:17 -0800 Subject: Sorta OT: Buying runrev? In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <92793205006C4079A88CF1F686765CAD@GATEWAY> > I recently went through the same thing and can assure you > that the problem is *not* caused by RunRev. > ...either your company bank or credit card company has a lock > on international orders, which depending on their policies, > can be corrected by phone or a visit to a local branch. > Another good option is to use PayPal. We also sell RunRev through mirye.net and handle a lot of the more traditional reseller relationships here in the USA. It is possible to order Runrev through SHI, Programmer's Paradise or Academic SuperStore. RR has made it relatively easy to purchase online, but there are a lot of organizations that have a preferred vendor. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com Mirye Community NING http://miryesoftware.ning.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Feb 11 20:30:00 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:30:00 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: <85974909-3BE1-4362-A8E2-D73DED444996@twft.com> Message-ID: Bob: I don't believe you can place any rev controls on a layer above the browser instance -- the display is rendered "direct to screen" (or whatever is the correct technical description -- that's my old Director experience talking). Would it be possible to reserve some space at the top or bottom of the window to place a real close button? Or maybe display the HTML content in a frameset and reserve the top or bottom frame for an HTML page with a close trigger? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: > again. Apparently it still does not quit on click. I have this in my > stack startup: > > revBrowserSet the altBrowserId of this stack, "messages", "true" > > and I handle it here: > > on browserClick > send "closeStackRequest" to this card in 1 second > end browserClick > > on closeStackRequest > local tBrowserId > put the altBrowserID of this stack into tBrowserId > if tBrowserId is among the items of revBrowserInstances() then > revBrowserClose tBrowserId > end if > set the altBrowserID of this stack to empty > close this stack > end closeStackRequest > > Clicking in the browser does not quit the app. Any ideas why this would not > work? From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 20:39:35 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:39:35 +1000 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: <396CBFDF-C178-4D56-9960-7AA6B0A43B1D@twft.com> References: <396CBFDF-C178-4D56-9960-7AA6B0A43B1D@twft.com> Message-ID: > Thanks! I did get the thing running by copy/pasting everything in the browser card of the sample. Now my problem is, when I create a button the size of the stack in front of the browser with a script to quit, the click never gets to the button. I moved the object to the front all right, but it seems when the browser is displaying content, the browser is the frontmost object. > > I can kind of see why this is the case, but now that breaks my idea of being able to click and have the app quit. Anyone have any ideas on this last hurdle? Could you just use the standard window close widget to lose the browser & quit? Sarah From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 20:50:21 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:50:21 +0900 Subject: [OT] on-rev server limit Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002111750h601a6014u3f17f3f2a79e0364@mail.gmail.com> Not sure if this is the place to ask this vague question... I am looking to expand what my rev cgi "stuff" now does on the on-rev server from about 10 users at a time to about 2000 users. The type of "stuff" is: - receiving data from local stacks - processing that data with the rev engine in my cgi-bin folder - retrieving data from sql tables on the on-rev server - downloading images and sounds stored in my on-rev account Is this something I need to be concerned about? If so, who do I contact? Thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto From katir at hindu.org Thu Feb 11 20:55:03 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:55:03 -1000 Subject: OT: Playing MP3's on Web Pages (was "Our Place in Hawaii") In-Reply-To: <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> Howard Bornstein wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > >> Some may wonder where we are and what it's like here. A recent visitor, >> with a high end camera did an amazing job and I could not resist putting >> this into an iRev slide show. >> >> >> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ >> > > > Sadly, this link completely and repeatedly crashes Firefox for me :-( > > d Strange... on Windows or on your Mac? There sadly still seems to be no on good way to simply play mp3's on a web page that runs well on all browsers and platforms. Of course there are little flash widgets to drive audio, and they work, but I get a bad taste in my mouth every time I cave in to Flash Hegemony (I won't go on here about that...) After hours of research I found this, rather naively accepted the statement on the site that it was a crossplatform option: Only to find out later that the x-mplayer2 calls Windows Media Player (hence Flip for Mac on OS X) On one site we are currently staging in Drupal (stalled now, and I'm not sure we really want to go there -- Drupal seems to be an esoteric beast! Only dragon slayers can walk in those swamps!) one module for playing sound using this embed code: Though I think the above is deprecated in favor of "object" but appears to be totally browser, media player "agnostic" and looks like it is hoping to stay out of the way and let the local machine/browser make up its mind how to play the media. Howard, I changed the embed code the simple version above. can you try again? I wonder how RunRev is doing on its cross platform media playing capabilities... anyone doing it no in a revlet, successfully, everywhere? Sivakatirswami From katir at hindu.org Thu Feb 11 20:56:35 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:56:35 -1000 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4B74B553.6050001@hindu.org> Mark Wieder wrote: > Howard- > > Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 6:23:44 PM, you wrote: > > >> Sadly, this link completely and repeatedly crashes Firefox for me :-( >> > > OK - *that* got me to look. Usually I'm the one who has problems with > these things on Firefox, but what I got was a stunning multimedia > display. The only problem was that the music runs a bit longer than > the slideshow, so I watched the beginning of the slides again, unable > to tear myself away until the music had ended. > > Aum... yep... my slideshows are like most movies made in Hollywood today... they just don't know how to do the ending! I' have to work on that. From katir at hindu.org Thu Feb 11 21:03:57 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:03:57 -1000 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B74B70D.1020505@hindu.org> Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Slideshow is great but NO music here??? > > Safari 4.0.4 > OSX 10.6.2 > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > Thomas... try now... and for the music lovers, we now offer the famed Arunthati Shree Ranganathan singing Veda Satiran http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ but with this embed code... is it running on Window? > On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > > >> Slide show and music run fine on >> OSX 10.5.8 G5 PPC >> FF >> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6 >> >> Jim Ault >> Las Vegas >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From iangmcknight at googlemail.com Thu Feb 11 21:28:32 2010 From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:28:32 +0000 Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 11 February 2010 20:07, charles61 wrote: > > Mary, > > Correction - I do get an error when I use the following script: > > on preOpenCard > > mark card "eligibility" > repeat with x = 1 to the number of marked cards > ?put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x > end repeat > > end preOpenCard > > This script generates the following error message: > > card "Eligibility": execution error at line 5 (Chunk: no such object) near "PageNumber", char 23 > Hi Charles mark card "eligibility" is looking to mark a card *called* "eligibility" Assuming that you have marked your cards for printing, ( e.g. mark card where fld "printme" = "Yes" ) try the preOpencard handler without this line. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at googlemail.com ======================= From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 22:02:28 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:02:28 -0500 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <283317812.20100211171520@ahsoftware.net> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> <283317812.20100211171520@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002111902l4da053fex5058f267f547c410@mail.gmail.com> Kay, I know this was largely tongue in cheek, but since I've been all over the region between Hawaii, RMI and FSM, just a comment: 1) Johnston used to be serviced by both Continental Air Micronesia ("Air Mike") and Air Marshall Islands ("AMI" pronounced "AIMEE"), until it was mostly decommissioned after its chemical weapons disposal mission ended. There is essentially nothing to see there any more. Now when there WAS, you had to pull the shades on your seats before landing, and while on the ground. (This was also the case for quite a while on Kwajalein). 2) Gringos bust it from Hono to Kwaj (2100 miles) in 14.5-18 days in their new sailboats (the trade wind and currents most of the year are favorable to this route). You can do the math on a trip to Oz. The currents aren't quite as forgiving as you have to pass Oz and catch it on the way back due to the prevailing winds and currents at the equator, but you get the idea. A native in a dugout with a triangle, outrigger, and paddle, should be able to do roughly the same pace under normal conditions - about 140-150 miles per day. No, I've never done the trip myself by boat. I just know people who have. I'd rather not waste my vacation sailing to the most beautiful dive spots on Earth when I could fly there. On the backside, though, it takes almost twice as long for the return trip. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 11 22:17:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:17:05 -0600 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <2AD0BB84-0555-41EE-A8FC-9DC8550E1D0C@mac.com> <4B749133.7060202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B74C831.4030407@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > is it really the case that you can move the > mouse fast, but stop it in an object and not have the mouseEnter > message sent? It used to be, some years ago when I was first grappling with it. I was able to get the mouse into an object rect without the engine noticing. It probably makes a difference if you have other processing going on at the same time too (like "send in time" messaging that calls long handlers.) Actually, that was one reason I changed over to mousemove in another app. I originally started with mouseEnter but it wasn't working consistently, maybe because I had other long handlers completing at the same time. Things have probably improved by now but I've stuck with my mousemove approach because it's an easy one-liner, reliable, and doesn't seem to interfere with anything. I do use mouseEnter too, it depends on the situation (and it's probably just a matter of personal preference which you choose anyway.) Your point about only triggering one entry point is valid. There are lots of situations where that's preferable. > I've extensively used mouseEnter for pop-up text activation and have > never noticed it didn't work. Isn't this what the Engine uses for > ToolTips? It does usually work, so people shouldn't get the idea that it's error-riddled or anything -- and I think the engine does use it for tooltips. But I have occasionally seen tooltips missed too. > > Obviously this isn't extensive testing, but if people are experiencing > mouseEnter messages not being sent, isn't this an Engine problem that > should be sent the QCC? It would be if I were more sure it was Rev's fault. I see tooltip failures in other apps routinely (maybe this is only an OS X problem; that's what I mostly use.) Photoshop Elements is terrible about it, sometimes missing up to half of them. So I'm not convinced it's Rev, it seems to be everywhere on my machine. I wonder if it's OS-related. Or maybe it's all the stuff I run in the background all the time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 22:24:00 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002111924l668bc13ah68f9d2cb849c4fb1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bernard, on Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:46 +0000 Bernard Devlin wrote: > Like Brian, I was going to suggest existing search technologies like > Lucene. Why re-invent the wheel? I understand you not wanting to > ship Java and get the user to install it. However there may be other > pre-existing solutions to your problem. Hopefully > Is it imperative to your solution that these 28 text compressed text > files are part of the solution? I mean, are you trying to maintain > the structure of the solution such that someone who comes along and > looks at your solution can see where Rev fits in. Or can your indexes > be stored in a database? Sure, these indexes could be stored in a database. > The reason I say this is because a) Valentina already has two forms of > text searches (one form is very fast but only looks up single words, > the other form can search an entire database using regex but is > slower, and probably not fast enough for your requirements). Unless > you already have Valentina for each platform, this solution will > involve you in the cost of buying licenses. > The other thing to consider is that sqlite already has a full-text > search facility (although I think you may have to compile it as a > sqlite plug-in and distribute it with your application). It does > things like word-stemming, stop lists, frequencies, etc. You would > have to distribute this sqlite add-on with your solution. I have a dll named: dbsqlite.dll (452 K) in my Rev Studio instalation. If an experienced database developer could lend a hand, i would be really grateful. > If you still want a Rev-only solution let us know. Maybe someone else > will chip in with suggestions :-) Yes, a Rev-only solution would be ideal. I remember that Rob Cozens wrote a Rev-Only database, but my inexperience with databases does not help me to fully appreciate this work. Thanks a lot for your advice! :-) Alejandro From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 22:38:27 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:38:27 -0800 Subject: Page numbers for marked cards for printing In-Reply-To: <2BABFB7E-2EE3-477E-AFF3-17DFE03CE4C5@mac.com> References: <1262801935217-1008255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B44DB4A.8050602@comcast.net> <2BABFB7E-2EE3-477E-AFF3-17DFE03CE4C5@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B74CD33.8010900@comcast.net> Hi Charles, When you say mark card "eligibility" are you looking for a field with that word in it? If so then you want to do something like: mark cards where fld "Status" is "eligibility" or mark cards where "eligibility" is in fld "Status" If "eligibility" is a button that users can hilite then: mark cards where the hilite of button "eligibility" is true Now you can assign page numbers: if the number of marked cards =0 then beep answer "No cards selected." else repeat with x = 1 to the number of marked cards put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x end repeat end if --Do your printing then perhaps clean up when you're done: repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards put empty into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x end repeat --and you may want to unmark cards for next time too I hope that clears things up, Marty Knapp > Hi Mary! > > I have busy trying to finish up my project. As you know, the longer you work on a project there is an increased possibility of making some changes to it. I decided to add page numbers to my marked cards so the user could see them as they go through the cards. > > I tried the following in a preOpenCard script for card named "eligibility": > > on preOpenCard > > mark card "eligibility" > repeat with x = 1 to the number of marked cards > put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x > end repeat > > end preOpenCard > > This script does not generates any errors but the field "pageNumber" does not get anything and remains blank. Any ideas or suggestions? > > > On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Marty Knapp [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > > >> I would place a field on each card that you can populate just before you >> print >> >> repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards >> put "Page" && x into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x >> end repeat >> >> --do your printing >> --then clear the field: >> >> repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards >> put empty into fld "PageNumber" of marked card x >> end repeat >> >> >>> I have been working on a project that uses marked cards based on an user's >>> input. When the user selects a card or cards, they become marked for >>> printing. I want to add a page number at the bottom when printing the marked >>> cards. >>> There are around 70 cards which makes it very difficult to include page >>> numbers on the cards when printing since they may not be sequential. In my >>> situation, only about 6 to 11 cards would been selected by the user. Has >>> anybody developed a means of assigning page numbers to marked cards when >>> printing them as marked cards? From jiml at netrin.com Thu Feb 11 22:51:27 2010 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:51:27 -0800 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <20100212003458.5B3E2288E06@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100212003458.5B3E2288E06@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Jacque wrote: > on mousemove x,y > put the helptext of the target into fld "help field" > end mousemove With rev messages that are called very frequently, like mousemove, I generally do a test to see if the overhead of refreshing a field is really necessary. on mousemove x,y if the myLastTarget of fld "help field" <> the target then put the helptext of the target into fld "help field" set the myLastTarget of fld "help field" to the target end if end mousemove But this is just habit and superstition on my part. Opinions? Jim Lambert From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 00:24:19 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:24:19 -0600 Subject: Localization Message-ID: Are there any examples out there of not only localizing a Rev stack's UI, but also displaying localized data downloaded from the internet? For example, I have a field and I download an HTML page with Russian on it. Even though everything is encoded properly (e.g. ас ...) and I'm using a font that can display cyrillic, everything I see in my field is just a jumbled mess (using the htmlText property). I'm likely just missing a simple step like selecting a language or have unicode disabled or some-such. Any help appreciated! Jeff M. From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 04:27:05 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:27:05 +0000 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The htmltext property does not let you display html - but a very narrow subset of html - so the html entities will need to be converted in your script. On 12 February 2010 05:24, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Are there any examples out there of not only localizing a Rev stack's UI, > but also displaying localized data downloaded from the internet? > > For example, I have a field and I download an HTML page with Russian on it. > Even though everything is encoded properly (e.g. ас ...) and I'm > using a font that can display cyrillic, everything I see in my field is just > a jumbled mess (using the htmlText property). > > I'm likely just missing a simple step like selecting a language or have > unicode disabled or some-such. Any help appreciated! > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 05:32:12 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:32:12 +0000 Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002111924l668bc13ah68f9d2cb849c4fb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002111924l668bc13ah68f9d2cb849c4fb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > I have a dll named: dbsqlite.dll (452 K) in my Rev Studio instalation. > If an experienced database developer could lend a hand, i would be > really grateful. Hi Alejandro Ok, since you don't know anything about databases, I'm assuming that it is also going to be quite a lot of work to deal with compiling the sqlite FT plugin for the different platforms too. (I've no idea how hard that would be or what problems you might meet with - but in general these things are always harder than they are supposed to be). So, let's consider a Rev-only solution, and if that looks like a hopeless case then it will make the work required to deal with databases and compilation more worthwhile. As I'm slow on the uptake, I am still not entirely sure what I think it is you are trying to do. Am I right that given these search terms: baboon OR monkey AND fruit and index file b.tgz contains a line like this: baboon: 1,5,9 index file m.tgz contains a line like this: monkey: 2,7,17 index file f.tgz contains a line like this: fruit: 3,7,23 you would want the result of your search to be: 7 i.e. the number of the article that matches the boolean search? Unless I've misunderstood, what you want to do is combine indexes in order to satisfy boolean combinations of search terms. However, it looks to me like the existing indexes don't contain enough information for you to calculate frequency of occurrence (a measure of relevance). And depending on how these pre-existing indexes have been constructed they may not have any stemming information in them. You might be able to build some kind of rough stemming algorithm in Rev (by doing rough pluralization like 'baboon*', but as Richard pointed out more complex plurals like 'children' will be where the work comes). Are you looking for an approximate solution? Or do you need greater flexibility of scope and relevance scores, etc. ? Bernard From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 12 06:04:31 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:04:31 -0800 Subject: Behavior Nightmare Message-ID: Does anyone know what the message order is for behaviors assigned to multiple objects? I have a set behaviors assigned to a card, and a set of behaviors assigned to a group that is placed on the same card. It seems that the behavior scripts of card are being handled *before* the behavior scripts of the group. Is this expected behavior? Is there some way I can have the scripts of group processed before those of the card? I've been trying to migrate a bunch of object/card/stack scripts to behaviors and it has been a major pain trying to get messages to naturally "fall" between objects the same way messages work in the normal message hierarchy. I can't use a single set of behaviors for all the objects because there are common mouse event messages that need to be handled across objects depending on what object is clicked (ie mouseDown on the group does something different than mouseDown on the card). Thanks for any advice/suggestions (needed to have this done 2 days ago and am beating my head against the wall). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 12 06:07:15 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:07:15 -1000 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> Jeff, There is a very nice product available from revSelect called NativeSpeak. http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/nativespeak/ Having set up the localization of an application from scratch and being painstakingly aware of all the issues you will run into, which go far beyond mere translation and involve things like adjusting object sizes and fonts and many other things, as well as the time it takes, it is well worth its price. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Massung > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:24 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Localization > > Are there any examples out there of not only localizing a Rev stack's > UI, but also displaying localized data downloaded from the internet? > > For example, I have a field and I download an HTML page with Russian on > it. Even though everything is encoded properly (e.g. ас > ...) and I'm using a font that can display cyrillic, everything I see > in my field is just a jumbled mess (using the htmlText property). > > I'm likely just missing a simple step like selecting a language or have > unicode disabled or some-such. Any help appreciated! > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 12 06:29:37 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:29:37 -1000 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: <20100212003458.5B3E2288E06@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <005d01caabd6$a946a210$fbd3e630$@com> Jim Lambert wrote: > Jacque wrote: > > > on mousemove x,y > > put the helptext of the target into fld "help field" > > end mousemove > > > With rev messages that are called very frequently, like mousemove, I > generally do a test to see if the overhead of refreshing a field is > really necessary. > > on mousemove x,y > if the myLastTarget of fld "help field" <> the target then > put the helptext of the target into fld "help field" > set the myLastTarget of fld "help field" to the target > end if > end mousemove > > But this is just habit and superstition on my part. > > Opinions? I like it. ;-) Especially if handlers are long ones. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 07:32:03 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:32:03 +0000 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Been using behaviors for a while now - and they have seemed unproblematic and intuitive to me. I may well have missed something as I use them in a particular way, but this is as far as i know the situation (shoot me down if I get something wrong). Behaviors are effectively backscript for the object they are attached to - so a behavior on a group will be called before a card unless the group is a background in which case it will be called after the card? On 12 February 2010 11:04, Scott Rossi wrote: > Does anyone know what the message order is for behaviors assigned to > multiple objects? > > I have a set behaviors assigned to a card, and a set of behaviors assigned > to a group that is placed on the same card. It seems that the behavior > scripts of card are being handled *before* the behavior scripts of the > group. Is this expected behavior? Is there some way I can have the > scripts > of group processed before those of the card? > > I've been trying to migrate a bunch of object/card/stack scripts to > behaviors and it has been a major pain trying to get messages to naturally > "fall" between objects the same way messages work in the normal message > hierarchy. I can't use a single set of behaviors for all the objects > because there are common mouse event messages that need to be handled > across > objects depending on what object is clicked (ie mouseDown on the group does > something different than mouseDown on the card). > Some thoughts: - a group behavior would be triggered before the card script unless background behavior is true - mouse events wont be sent to a group even if opaque unless an actual control is clicked on - card scripts can intercept and over-ride local group behaviors by using dispatch or checking for card properties - use as many groups as you want to nest behaviors From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Feb 12 07:33:32 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:33:32 -0500 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E19008E-2FD7-41AA-A4C6-F1D9EC6CBB51@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Does anyone know what the message order is for behaviors assigned to > multiple objects? > > I have a set behaviors assigned to a card, and a set of behaviors > assigned > to a group that is placed on the same card. It seems that the > behavior > scripts of card are being handled *before* the behavior scripts of the > group. Is this expected behavior? Is there some way I can have the > scripts > of group processed before those of the card? Scott, A Behavior acts just like the script of the object it is attached to so the message hierarchy remains unchanged. Have you confirmed that scripts are being executed out of order using logging? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 08:17:07 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:17:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <668849.24121.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Do the groups have their 'backgroundBehavior' property set by any chance? In theory, a behavior acts like an object-specific backscript, but the message path for background groups is a tad strange when it comes to the card script, so who knows? Can you confirm this with simple logging to a text field? Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Scott Rossi wrote: > From: Scott Rossi > Subject: Behavior Nightmare > To: "Revolution Mail List" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 3:04 AM > Does anyone know what the message > order is for behaviors assigned to > multiple objects? > > I have a set behaviors assigned to a card, and a set of > behaviors assigned > to a group that is placed on the same card.? It seems > that the behavior > scripts of card are being handled *before* the behavior > scripts of the > group.? Is this expected behavior?? Is there some > way I can have the scripts > of group processed before those of the card? > > I've been trying to migrate a bunch of object/card/stack > scripts to > behaviors and it has been a major pain trying to get > messages to naturally > "fall" between objects the same way messages work in the > normal message > hierarchy.? I can't use a single set of behaviors for > all the objects > because there are common mouse event messages that need to > be handled across > objects depending on what object is clicked (ie mouseDown > on the group does > something different than mouseDown on the card). > > Thanks for any advice/suggestions (needed to have this done > 2 days ago and > am beating my head against the wall). > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 12 09:21:31 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:21:31 -0800 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <4B7563EB.6090709@fourthworld.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > However, it looks to me like the existing indexes don't contain enough > information for you to calculate frequency of occurrence (a measure of > relevance). Once again, MetaCard to the rescue! :) Raney included this little gem in MC's Examples stack, and using "repeat for each" and arrays it's blazing fast, able to make a frequency table for even large files in almost no time at all: on mouseUp put empty into field "result" answer file "Select a text file for input:" if it is empty then exit mouseUp # let user know we're working on it set the cursor to watch put it into inputFile open file inputFile for read read from file inputFile until eof put it into fileContent close file inputFile # wordCount is an associative array, its indexes are words # with the contents of each element being number of times # that word appears repeat for each word w in fileContent add 1 to wordCount[w] end repeat # copy all the indexes that is in the wordCount associative array put keys(wordCount) into keyWords # sort the indexes -- keyWords contains a list of elements in array sort keyWords repeat for each line l in keyWords put l & tab & wordCount[l] & return after displayResult end repeat put displayResult into field "result" end mouseUp -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 12 09:30:36 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:30:36 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002111627p7f4842d7g678a299e8820d87b@mail.gmail.com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> <963c86eb1002111627p7f4842d7g678a299e8820d87b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B75660C.4040404@tweedly.net> Jeff Massung wrote: > > I'm still new to Rev, but in other languages this is dead simple: > > > ... > // nuke everything else at the end of the file > trunctate(fp, new_len); > > ... > Done. > > Now, maybe this isn't as easy in Rev as it is in C and *many* other > languages. But it should be [if it isn't]. > That is *exactly* the problem - Rev doesn't expose ftruncate() (or ftell() either), so what should be very simple becomes very difficult. In C, or Python, or even shell it is simple, but Rev's incomplete interface to the file system causes the problem. I opened a RQCC report (#1851) in 2004 to request the enhancement of providing a way to get the file position (i.e. ftell()). That report remains "Unconfirmed". Given that response, I have not chosen to waste any time entering an enhancement request for truncate. -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 12 09:39:15 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:39:15 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B74A7F3.50408@fourthworld.com> References: <4B74A7F3.50408@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B756813.5080005@tweedly.net> Richard Gaskin wrote: > That looks similar to what I posted here on the 9th: > > open file tFile for update > seek relative -1000 in file tFile > repeat > read from file tFile until cr > if it is not empty then > put it after tBuffer > else > delete last line of tBuffer > write tBuffer to file tFile > end if > end repeat > close file tFile > > Does that not do what you need? > No, it doesn't. If a file is opened for 'update' then any write to the file simply overwrites any existing characters at the appropriates position(s), and leaves everything following that unchanged. There is no EOF implied by a write in update mode. There is an EOF inserted after a write if the file is opened in 'append' mode - but then you cannot read from it. (Actually, there is another additional reason - each time you do a 'read' that updates the file pointer, so the subsequent write would begin at the file position immediately *after* the last read, not where the read had been done from; you would have needed another seek before write (or do a 'write at x') to have a chance, but you'd still need Rev to provide access to truncate() after your write.) -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 12 09:43:34 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:43:34 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <003a01caab77$e51c5e60$af551b20$@com> References: <000201caa994$f57f3910$e07dab30$@com> <4B71F546.4000306@tweedly.net> <4B71F836.2070008@hyperactivesw.com> <003c01caa9f1$adf3f7e0$09dbe7a0$@com> <4B724B14.7030308@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002102113s426828c5u8b1311c72775eb60@mail.gmail.com> <4B74976E.2000401@tweedly.net> <003a01caab77$e51c5e60$af551b20$@com> Message-ID: <4B756916.50706@tweedly.net> Jim Bufalini wrote: > > Just one thing Alex, you need to: > > put URLDecode(the detailed files) into t > > in case the file name has, for example, a space in it. > Thanks Jum, I didn't spot that. But then, if the file name had a comma in it, I'd be caught out. I think what I needed was to URLEncode(pFile) to use in the filter : > on deletelastline pFile > constant K = 1000 > put the detailed files into t > filter t with URLEncode(pFile) & ",*" > put item 2 of t into tFileLength > > open file pFile for read > seek to tFileLength-K in file pFile > read from file pFile until end > close file pFile > > put the number of chars in the last line of it into tNum > > open file pFile for append > write empty to file pFile at (tFileLength-tNum-3) > close file pFile > > end deletelastline -- Alex. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Fri Feb 12 10:19:33 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:19:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Cool, I am going to meditate on the responses and come up with something that will take care of my needs. Thank you all for the quick input and elaborate responses! On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Trevor DeVore [via Runtime Revolution] < ml-node+1477997-959398433 at n4.nabble.com > wrote: > On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > I am converting my noble little app into the glx framework, as I've > > realized > > that what it does will be invaluable to me in the long run. > > Welcome aboard Andrew. I think you will find the framework very useful > for application development as it provides the vital pieces that you > need for creating and maintaining an application in Revolution. > > The alternative is to spend time writing your own equivalents. While > that would be an educational experience you don't get much bang for > your buck. > > There is still a lot of areas that need more thorough documentation so > if you have a question ask. That usually gives me enough incentive to > add a few lessons. > > There is a Google Group you can send questions to. The link is on the > main GLX Application Framework page. > > > http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/ > > > A feature that was requested a couple of days ago, and I assume > > needs to be > > developed early in the process, is for a Help system. > > > > For Example: > > > > ... > > Reading up on GLX, it said something about handling broadcasting. > > > > Can I use GLX's broadcasting features to do something like this? Am I > > misunderstanding the purpose of broadcasting? Am I spinning off into > > the > > wrong quadrant of space? > > I would go with the advice you have received from others rather than > using the broadcasting feature of the framework. > > In your situation you have multiple objects that are trying to display > information in a central location. The data is flowing into the help > display but nobody else really needs to know that the help display has > been updated. > > The broadcasting APIs included with the framework are relevant when > you have lots of parties interested in any changes made to a single > object (the reverse of what you are doing). > > Basically broadcasting providers a way for any number of objects to > sign up and say, "Hey, I want to know when object A's property is > changed or such and such an event occurs." When object A's property is > changed or the event occurs object A sends out a broadcast. The > Broadcasting API dispatches messages to all the objects that signed up > to be notified. Object A doesn't need to know who is signed up. > > One concrete example that may prove useful - in one of my apps I have > a lesson table in a SQL database. The title of a lesson can be > displayed in a number of different places in the UI. Each UI element > that displays the lesson title has signed up to be notified when the > lesson title is changed in the database. When the lesson title is > changed a broadcast is made and a message is sent out to each object > that signed up to be notified. > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: > http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > ------------------------------ > View message @ > http://n4.nabble.com/Help-message-Broadcasting-system-tp1477816p1477997.html > To unsubscribe from Help message Broadcasting system, click here< (link removed) ==>. > > > -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Help-message-Broadcasting-system-tp1477816p1478638.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wow at together.net Fri Feb 12 10:20:06 2010 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:20:06 -0500 Subject: Encoding h.264 videos on Windows 7 through Rev In-Reply-To: <668849.24121.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <668849.24121.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7571A6.7020504@together.net> What do I need to install to have h.264 show up as an option in the Rev video compression dialog box under Windows 7? Is there a codec I need to install? Thanks. Richard Miller From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 10:21:20 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:21:20 -0600 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> Thank you both for the thoughts and the link. NativeSpeak looks nice. Currently, while localizing the interface of my app is something I will have the distinct pleasure of looking forward to , my interest is mostly on displaying unicode (or non-ANSI) characters in a field that are read from the internet. Let me run through a sample of what I'm talking about to explain why I'm so perplexed and maybe someone can point out what's wrong. 1. Create a new stack. 2. Create 3 fields: src, dst, and rep 3. Create a button to perform the test 5. Go to www.google.ru and copy some Cyrillic text from the upper-left toolbar 6. Paste the text into field "src" At this point it should be noted that the text does - in fact - display the correct Russian characters. I haven't changed the font of the field or done anything else special as setup for the field to receive unicode characters. This is good. Next, I'll modify the button script like so: on mouseUp put the unicodeText of fld "src" into fld "dst" set the unicodeText of fld "rep" to fld "dst" end mouseUp What I expect to happen is field "dst" should now contain all the bytes that comprise the unicode string and rep should be a copy of the original source text. But that isn't what happens. Hell, even just doing a "copy" of src -> rep doesn't even work: set the unicodeText of fld "rep" to the unicodeText of fld "src" ## or... put fld "src" into fld "rep" I don't mind writing a lot of functions to handle manipulation of unicode strings at the byte level. But if I can't even get unicode characters from one field to appear in another, I might as well be throwing darts at a bullseye on the floor blindfolded; I'll just end up with bloody feet and a terrible score. If anyone can suggest how I can end up getting the above example to work, I'm all ears... and feet. ;-) Jeff M. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Feb 12 10:23:09 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:23:09 -0500 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E406918-FA06-450C-9D5A-6B5A9CBED255@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 12, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > on mouseUp > put the unicodeText of fld "src" into fld "dst" > set the unicodeText of fld "rep" to fld "dst" > end mouseUp Try: set the unicodeText of field "dst" to the unicodeText of field "src" When you "put into" a field you are setting the "text" property. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 10:30:21 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:30:21 -0600 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: <8E406918-FA06-450C-9D5A-6B5A9CBED255@mangomultimedia.com> References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> <8E406918-FA06-450C-9D5A-6B5A9CBED255@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002120730x64f44354o287af626c9d2e6eb@mail.gmail.com> Wow, I could swear I tried that before with terrible results. Just tried again with a fresh stack and it works. In fact, modifying "dst" to be a variable instead of a field to hold the temporary data works as well. Sorry, I feel a little sheepish. Thanks, Trevor. Jeff M. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Feb 12 10:32:25 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:32:25 -0500 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002120730x64f44354o287af626c9d2e6eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> <8E406918-FA06-450C-9D5A-6B5A9CBED255@mangomultimedia.com> <963c86eb1002120730x64f44354o287af626c9d2e6eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Wow, I could swear I tried that before with terrible results. Just > tried > again with a fresh stack and it works. > > In fact, modifying "dst" to be a variable instead of a field to hold > the > temporary data works as well. > > Sorry, I feel a little sheepish. Thanks, Trevor. No worries. It isn't always clear what is happening when you "put" things into a field since the property you are affecting is implicit rather than explicit. Personally I always just set the property of the field so that it is clear. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 12 10:54:55 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:54:55 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! Message-ID: Fellow Rev developers, We just posted this video showing the new control manipulation in tRev's snapshot mode: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom Here are the details: NEW Controls in Zoom: - zoomed cards now show a fully functional list of controls - control line items in list are draggable and names are editable - zoomed cards also have the scratch pad Move controls in Zoom: - controls in snaps can be dragged - controls in snaps can be moved with arrows - - plain arrow = 1 pixel - - shift arrow = on 10 pixel grid - - option arrow = align to next controls side Tabs: - first tab is always and only for the browser - New Tab menu item removed from File and Tab menus. Enhanced: - larger/smaller font size on view menu w shortcut - White on Black (aka Chalkboard) now on view menu w shortcut Optimized: - drag-n-drop in lists is more responsive, faster - auto-scrolling during drag-n-drop in lists is faster, less quirky - scrolling in all list fields and code field faster - code displays faster - browser columns populate faster (raw number of lines) Fixed: - tRev icon in Rev now remembers its location from session to session - control counter no longer counts the controls in dataGrids - inflated control counts kept script line counts from appearing in controls column - alignment of all fields and buttons now perfecto Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/not-enough-detail-in-a-card-snap-zoom-it From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 12 11:08:12 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:08:12 -0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File Message-ID: <4B757CEC.5030701@fourthworld.com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> That looks similar to what I posted here on the 9th: >> >> open file tFile for update >> seek relative -1000 in file tFile >> repeat >> read from file tFile until cr >> if it is not empty then >> put it after tBuffer >> else >> delete last line of tBuffer >> write tBuffer to file tFile >> end if >> end repeat >> close file tFile >> >> Does that not do what you need? >> > No, it doesn't. If a file is opened for 'update' then any write to the > file simply overwrites any existing characters at the appropriates > position(s), and leaves everything following that unchanged. There is no > EOF implied by a write in update mode. Good catch. Seems my instinct to use "append" in my first version of that was closer to the mark. But FWIW, I tried your version and it seemed to leave the file unchanged - is this a user error on my end, or does it have a limitation I overlooked? > on deletelastline pFile > constant K = 1000 > put the detailed files into t > filter t with URLEncode(pFile) & ",*" > put item 2 of t into tFileLength > > open file pFile for read > seek to tFileLength-K in file pFile > read from file pFile until end > close file pFile > > put the number of chars in the last line of it into tNum > > open file pFile for append > write empty to file pFile at (tFileLength-tNum-3) > close file pFile > > end deletelastline -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 12 11:46:49 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:46:49 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: <396CBFDF-C178-4D56-9960-7AA6B0A43B1D@twft.com> Message-ID: <9DCB1A88-34B2-4B72-9B15-C81B868EF01A@twft.com> Hi all. Thanks for the replies. Well the whole idea was to be able to go full screen as soon as it opens without user intervention, something that apparently Adobe will not allow with flash, because it poses a security risk. So my plan is to either trap for a rawkeydown and have it quit when he types the Q key, or else have a QuicKey shortcut that launches the app, then wait for user input mouse click, then finish the QuicKey by quitting the app. Bob On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Thanks! I did get the thing running by copy/pasting everything in the browser card of the sample. Now my problem is, when I create a button the size of the stack in front of the browser with a script to quit, the click never gets to the button. I moved the object to the front all right, but it seems when the browser is displaying content, the browser is the frontmost object. >> >> I can kind of see why this is the case, but now that breaks my idea of being able to click and have the app quit. Anyone have any ideas on this last hurdle? > > > Could you just use the standard window close widget to lose the browser & quit? > > Sarah From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 12 11:59:51 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:59:51 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B757CEC.5030701@fourthworld.com> References: <4B757CEC.5030701@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <006e01caac04$cb73c8d0$625b5a70$@com> Richard Gaskin wrote: > But FWIW, I tried your version and it seemed to leave the file > unchanged If your original file ends in a cr then Alex's code would end in absolutely no change. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 12 12:50:42 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:50:42 -0500 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <4B74B70D.1020505@hindu.org> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> <4B74B70D.1020505@hindu.org> Message-ID: <68622D95-436E-4DCA-87DB-7D9D03F081FB@mac.com> That did the trick! Now I'm rockin.... Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> Slideshow is great but NO music here??? >> >> Safari 4.0.4 >> OSX 10.6.2 >> >> Tom McGrath III >> Lazy River Software >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> iTunes Library Suite - libITS >> Information and download can be found on this page: >> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html >> >> > > Thomas... try now... > > and for the music lovers, we now offer the famed Arunthati Shree Ranganathan singing Veda Satiran > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ > > but with this embed code... > > > > is it running on Window? > >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Jim Ault wrote: >> >> >>> Slide show and music run fine on >>> OSX 10.5.8 G5 PPC >>> FF >>> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6 >>> >>> Jim Ault >>> Las Vegas >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 13:09:09 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:09 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Fellow Rev developers, > > We just posted this video showing the new control manipulation in tRev's > snapshot mode: > > ? ?http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom > > Here are the details: > > NEW > > Controls in Zoom: > - zoomed cards now show a fully functional list of controls > - control line items in list are draggable and names are editable > - zoomed cards also have the scratch pad > > Move controls in Zoom: > - controls in snaps can be dragged > - controls in snaps can be moved with arrows > - - plain arrow = 1 pixel > - - shift arrow = on 10 pixel grid > - - option arrow = align to next controls side Hey Jerry, I can't say that I ever found any difficulties with previous versions, but I just finished trying out the new "zoom and move control" features and they are awesome! It seems that I am always "tweaking" on control positioning, so I have a tendency to spend more time in the Rev editor than in tRev... I believe that will now change with these new additions. Can't speak for anyone else, but I appreciate all the work you are doing on tRev. ...it's just good stuff! Best regards, David C. From jimbeckmann at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 13:39:14 2010 From: jimbeckmann at comcast.net (Jim Beckmann) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:39:14 -0700 Subject: Spell check Message-ID: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a standalone on different platforms? Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have been created that can be placed in the script hierarchy? Thanks. From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 12 13:41:25 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:41:25 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: <9DCB1A88-34B2-4B72-9B15-C81B868EF01A@twft.com> Message-ID: Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Well the whole idea was to be able to go full screen as soon as it opens > without user intervention, something that apparently Adobe will not allow with > flash, because it poses a security risk. Maybe you know this already, but Adobe has a an online security manager that, among other things, allows Flash to run/access local files. Maybe you can enable something there that will allow Flash to do what you want. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From userev at canelasoftware.com Fri Feb 12 13:46:57 2010 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:46:57 -0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:00 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Hi > > I made a google maps entry that is open for anyone to edit. If you have a google account of any sorts, you can go here, and click on "save to my maps" and then "edit" to add your own location: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > Caveats: > > This could be a spam magnet, I'll test it out and if it doesn't work, I'll delete it again. > > I tried to import the old map from Frappr. However, there where several problems, so I opted to not use that import, and start fresh. Some example problems: > Images didn't come trough > There where more incomplete or broken entries then "real" ones > Those entries which did work where strangely merged ie. the name would be put into the "comment" field, doubled text, etc. > Ok. I screwed up my entry. I could not figure out how to edit the entry so that I could put my name in instead of my address. The Edit button is ghosted. Now I have two entries with my address. Help...Please. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 12 13:49:57 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:49:57 -0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File Message-ID: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> But FWIW, I tried your version and it seemed to leave the file >> unchanged > > If your original file ends in a cr then Alex's code would end in absolutely > no change. ;-) Thanks, Jim. I tried it both ways; no change to the file's contents, although the mod date gets updated so I know it's trying. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 13:53:09 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:53:09 -0600 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Jim Beckmann wrote: > How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a standalone on > different platforms? ?Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have been created > that can be placed in the script hierarchy? > > Thanks. I haven't used the product, but have a look at "RunRevPlanet SpellCheck" in the RevSelect store: https://secure.runrev.com/store/browse/?category=6 Best Regards, David C. From katir at hindu.org Fri Feb 12 14:05:19 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:05:19 -1000 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: <68622D95-436E-4DCA-87DB-7D9D03F081FB@mac.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> <4B74B70D.1020505@hindu.org> <68622D95-436E-4DCA-87DB-7D9D03F081FB@mac.com> Message-ID: Music does not play on safari - iPhone Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > That did the trick! Now I'm rockin.... > > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > >> Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>> Slideshow is great but NO music here??? >>> >>> Safari 4.0.4 >>> OSX 10.6.2 >>> >>> Tom McGrath III >>> Lazy River Software >>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >>> >>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS >>> Information and download can be found on this page: >>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html >>> >>> >> >> Thomas... try now... >> >> and for the music lovers, we now offer the famed Arunthati Shree >> Ranganathan singing Veda Satiran >> >> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ >> >> but with this embed code... >> >> > autostart='true' width='0' height='0'> >> >> is it running on Window? >> >>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Jim Ault wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Slide show and music run fine on >>>> OSX 10.5.8 G5 PPC >>>> FF >>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) >>>> Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6 >>>> >>>> Jim Ault >>>> Las Vegas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 12 14:19:10 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:19:10 -0800 Subject: OT: More on Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I suppose it's too late to ask for all the money back that "we" lent/gave to almost every country in the last century, that now thinks us the bad guys? It would go a long way to solving our present economical problems. No matter, we have no intention of paying back the Chinese, who are funding our debt now anyway. ;-) Also, Maybe next time there's a disaster in a country that could never hope to pay us back, and we come to the rescue anyway, instead of accusing us of trying to take over, maybe give us a pat on the back for always being there when needed? But let me say that it is my observation in life that when people say "they", they most often don't even know who exactly they mean. It's just really easy to think of an unrecognizable mass of humanity, all the unknown individuals of which are conspiring to do what you don't like, and then demonize them. It makes the forwarding of other foreign (or personal) policies much easier to justify. The actual truth is much more complicated, and much harder to sort out, and no one really wants to work that hard at knowing anything anyway. This is true, not only for countries, but for any organization of people. When Freedom of the Press was initially instituted, the press really WAS the people looking out for the best interests of the people. If it has now become the PR group for a particular party, or worse yet, the propaganda machine for that party, then that is on the people. Just be clear about which "theys" you are speaking of here. Still, it's because of Freedom of the Press that there can even be alternative media organizations in America that can say what they think, and no one can stop them. At least not yet. One great strength of America is also it's greatest weakness, and that is we get a whole new group of "theys" every 4 to 8 years. You need to specify which group of "theys" you mean. I am not particularly fond of the "theys" we have right now, and I was not entirely happy in the end with the previous "theys", but probably not for the same reasons you were not entirely happy. But at least we can hope to correct our mistakes, God willing. It is because of the willful ignorance of Americans, that "they" seem to keep voting for "theys" that end up being self serving. Americans in general have become politically lazy, and morally uncertain, but there are signs that is changing. Do I smell revolution on the wind? So think of elections in America as a whole new revolution every 4 to 8 years, only without the bullets and bombs and such. And remember that revolutions don't always work out for the better, but they have and they can, especially when the revolution has a real moral foundation to it. Now a bit on foreign policy. If 2 guys walk up to me on the street, and one of them punches me in the nose, I am going to hit that guy as hard as I can, then I am going to start in on the second one, because I have to assume he is in on it. Then I am going to go back to the first guy and finish the job. If I am mistaken, then I will only say the second guy should have chosen his friends more wisely. If those guys have been threatening me and my sister for the last two weeks prior to that, I might not wait for the first guy to punch me at all. Think of that as my personal foreign policy. So if America went to kick Bin Laden's arse, and then turned around and started in on one of his friends, I can forgive America for that, especially when that friend was mocking and jeering, and threatening the whole while that they had a really big gun they were going to go it get and shoot us with it. Has everyone forgotten that Saddam Hussein had been boasting the entire time that he was developing chemical and biological weapons, and intended to use them? No one likes a bully, either in school on in the world. Everyone (except the bully) is plenty glad when the new kid shows up and fairly kicks the bully's buttocks. From time to time there arises a world leader who thinks he knows best how to run not only his own country, but the entire world, and then goes about implementing his grand plan for perfection. When that happens, the guy you want to come help is the biggest baddest meanest kid in the neighborhood. Don't hate him later, if he leaves the bully in a bloody heap in the street, with several of his friends beside him, and then goes home to watch TV. He may seem heartless. He may make you uneasy. But luckily for you he doesn't really want to take over the neighborhood. Frankly it's too much work. And you might want to say a little "thank you" next time you see him. Bob On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:04 PM, -= JB =- wrote: > That is absolutely true. But they want to make sure you > invest with them even if you don't like their policy or they > will prevent you from investing in one. It is their concept > of freedom. > > Similar to freedom of press in America. The news media > have the freedom to report anything they want as long as > they approve of it. > > Pogo said, we have met the enemy and they is US. > > -=>JB<=- From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 12 14:22:12 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:22:12 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64F2F4DC-227A-4885-AE2C-A247DEFB0508@me.com> David, Have to say, that's great to hear. Sometimes virtual shops like ours almost operate in a vacuum. Glad that you're liking the product and the new zoom feature! Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, David Coker wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Jerry Daniels > wrote: >> Fellow Rev developers, >> >> We just posted this video showing the new control manipulation in >> tRev's >> snapshot mode: >> >> http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom >> >> Here are the details: >> >> NEW >> >> Controls in Zoom: >> - zoomed cards now show a fully functional list of controls >> - control line items in list are draggable and names are editable >> - zoomed cards also have the scratch pad >> >> Move controls in Zoom: >> - controls in snaps can be dragged >> - controls in snaps can be moved with arrows >> - - plain arrow = 1 pixel >> - - shift arrow = on 10 pixel grid >> - - option arrow = align to next controls side > > Hey Jerry, I can't say that I ever found any difficulties with > previous versions, but I just finished trying out the new "zoom and > move control" features and they are awesome! > > It seems that I am always "tweaking" on control positioning, so I have > a tendency to spend more time in the Rev editor than in tRev... I > believe that will now change with these new additions. > > Can't speak for anyone else, but I appreciate all the work you are > doing on tRev. > ...it's just good stuff! > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Fri Feb 12 14:22:21 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:22:21 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour, Great update Jerry ! I particularly appreciate that the first tab is now "always and only for the browser" That makes it very easy to go to and fro between the browser and the object's code tabs (don't know if "between" is necessary! ;-))) Thank a lot Good week-end to all Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 12 f?vr. 10 ? 16:54, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Fellow Rev developers, > > We just posted this video showing the new control manipulation in > tRev's snapshot mode: > > http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom > > Here are the details: > > NEW > > Controls in Zoom: > - zoomed cards now show a fully functional list of controls > - control line items in list are draggable and names are editable > - zoomed cards also have the scratch pad > > Move controls in Zoom: > - controls in snaps can be dragged > - controls in snaps can be moved with arrows > - - plain arrow = 1 pixel > - - shift arrow = on 10 pixel grid > - - option arrow = align to next controls side > > Tabs: > - first tab is always and only for the browser > - New Tab menu item removed from File and Tab menus. > > Enhanced: > - larger/smaller font size on view menu w shortcut > - White on Black (aka Chalkboard) now on view menu w shortcut > > Optimized: > - drag-n-drop in lists is more responsive, faster > - auto-scrolling during drag-n-drop in lists is faster, less quirky > - scrolling in all list fields and code field faster > - code displays faster > - browser columns populate faster (raw number of lines) > > Fixed: > - tRev icon in Rev now remembers its location from session to session > - control counter no longer counts the controls in dataGrids > - inflated control counts kept script line counts from appearing in > controls column > - alignment of all fields and buttons now perfecto > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > The latest Rev Editor Video: > http://reveditor.com/not-enough-detail-in-a-card-snap-zoom-it > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 12 14:25:42 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:25:42 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andre, That the second congratulations posted today. Glad you like the update! Very gratifying to hear. You guys are making my weekend great and it's only Friday! Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Bonjour, > > Great update Jerry ! > > I particularly appreciate that the first tab is now "always and only > for the browser" > That makes it very easy to go to and fro between the browser and the > object's code tabs (don't know if "between" is necessary! ;-))) > Thank a lot > > Good week-end to all > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? > > Le 12 f?vr. 10 ? 16:54, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> Fellow Rev developers, >> >> We just posted this video showing the new control manipulation in >> tRev's snapshot mode: >> >> http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom >> >> Here are the details: >> >> NEW >> >> Controls in Zoom: >> - zoomed cards now show a fully functional list of controls >> - control line items in list are draggable and names are editable >> - zoomed cards also have the scratch pad >> >> Move controls in Zoom: >> - controls in snaps can be dragged >> - controls in snaps can be moved with arrows >> - - plain arrow = 1 pixel >> - - shift arrow = on 10 pixel grid >> - - option arrow = align to next controls side >> >> Tabs: >> - first tab is always and only for the browser >> - New Tab menu item removed from File and Tab menus. >> >> Enhanced: >> - larger/smaller font size on view menu w shortcut >> - White on Black (aka Chalkboard) now on view menu w shortcut >> >> Optimized: >> - drag-n-drop in lists is more responsive, faster >> - auto-scrolling during drag-n-drop in lists is faster, less quirky >> - scrolling in all list fields and code field faster >> - code displays faster >> - browser columns populate faster (raw number of lines) >> >> Fixed: >> - tRev icon in Rev now remembers its location from session to session >> - control counter no longer counts the controls in dataGrids >> - inflated control counts kept script line counts from appearing in >> controls column >> - alignment of all fields and buttons now perfecto >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels >> >> The latest Rev Editor Video: >> http://reveditor.com/not-enough-detail-in-a-card-snap-zoom-it >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 14:27:55 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:27:55 -0500 Subject: OT: More on Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Bob, is there a chance that you posted this to the wrong "revolution" list? From mdswindell at cruzio.com Fri Feb 12 15:11:32 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:11:32 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BB787C4-11B7-41E1-AD2E-95980E4E2961@cruzio.com> I have to second David's comments. TRev is coming together nicely, a piece at a time. The new fixed Browser tab is a welcome improvement over the previous "Tab" implementation. It's hard for me to use the built-in Rev editor at this point, and I'm relying less and less on the Application Browser. Mark On Feb 12, 2010, at 10:09 AM, David Coker wrote:, > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: >> Fellow Rev developers, >> >> We just posted this video showing the new control manipulation in tRev's >> snapshot mode: >> >> http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom >> >> Here are the details: >> >> NEW >> >> Controls in Zoom: >> - zoomed cards now show a fully functional list of controls >> - control line items in list are draggable and names are editable >> - zoomed cards also have the scratch pad >> >> Move controls in Zoom: >> - controls in snaps can be dragged >> - controls in snaps can be moved with arrows >> - - plain arrow = 1 pixel >> - - shift arrow = on 10 pixel grid >> - - option arrow = align to next controls side > > Hey Jerry, I can't say that I ever found any difficulties with > previous versions, but I just finished trying out the new "zoom and > move control" features and they are awesome! > > It seems that I am always "tweaking" on control positioning, so I have > a tendency to spend more time in the Rev editor than in tRev... I > believe that will now change with these new additions. > > Can't speak for anyone else, but I appreciate all the work you are > doing on tRev. > ...it's just good stuff! > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Fri Feb 12 15:13:03 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:13:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266005583007-1490365.post@n4.nabble.com> What about combining the custom property idea with the db idea. Eventually the data for my application will be in a remote mySQL and I would like to be able to update help information and have it get changed on the client end as its updated in the db. I need non-tech folks that work for our company who know the purposes of the items in this software to be able to enter help info into the db and it be spit out. So maybe a have a handler that watches for the custom message property to determine what control it is and the hanlder gets info from the db to put into the help. Is this going to put too much stress on my db? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Help-message-Broadcasting-system-tp1477816p1490365.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 12 15:36:56 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:36:56 -0500 Subject: OT: Our place in Hawaii.... In-Reply-To: References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1215697625.20100210194139@ahsoftware.net> <83B2ABDA-C5A5-42A7-936D-78815914E7A6@yahoo.com> <8CDEDD4D-4A53-4067-AC1D-A2A373BFB520@mac.com> <4B74B70D.1020505@hindu.org> <68622D95-436E-4DCA-87DB-7D9D03F081FB@mac.com> Message-ID: You are right, NO music plays in Safari on the iPhone. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote: > Music does not play on safari - iPhone > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> That did the trick! Now I'm rockin.... >> >> >> Tom McGrath III >> Lazy River Software >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> iTunes Library Suite - libITS >> Information and download can be found on this page: >> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: >> >>> Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>>> Slideshow is great but NO music here??? >>>> >>>> Safari 4.0.4 >>>> OSX 10.6.2 >>>> >>>> Tom McGrath III >>>> Lazy River Software >>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >>>> >>>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS >>>> Information and download can be found on this page: >>>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Thomas... try now... >>> >>> and for the music lovers, we now offer the famed Arunthati Shree Ranganathan singing Veda Satiran >>> >>> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/slideshows/aadheenam/2009/ka_2009-12-30_thushyanthan-aadheenam/ >>> >>> but with this embed code... >>> >>> >>> >>> is it running on Window? >>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Jim Ault wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Slide show and music run fine on >>>>> OSX 10.5.8 G5 PPC >>>>> FF >>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 GTB6 >>>>> >>>>> Jim Ault >>>>> Las Vegas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at architex.tv Fri Feb 12 16:00:06 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:00:06 +0000 Subject: Php Framework for Rev based Development Strategy Message-ID: I'm looking for a php framework that will allow a php based team to work together with a Rev based team. The aim is to use revLets to rapidly prototype interfaces, and when these are settled and tested where appropriate replace these with AJAX / php based interfaces. The legacy php project is a classic old-school mix of php and html - and I figure the best way to get both development environments to play together is to use an MVC / n-tier php framework where the GUI is distinct from the backend layers - so that both revLet interfaces and html / AJAX interfaces can call the same php backend. Does anyone with php experience have any recommendations of frameworks or strategies that would allow this type of rapid prototyping with revLet based interfaces? From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Feb 12 16:33:44 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:33:44 -0700 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > If anyone can suggest how I can end up getting the above example to > work, > I'm all ears... and feet. ;-) Jeff, I don't know if you have gotten it working yet, or at what level you are with unicode, but a couple of years ago I wrote an article to try to unravel some of the confusion surrounding using unicode in Rev. You may find it useful. See it at: http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.php Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 12 16:55:57 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:55:57 -0200 Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux 0.0.2 Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002121355l79e09cffi1956d8a67ba1462c@mail.gmail.com> Hello Folks, I've made an update to our little Revolution enabled distro. I've added revMedia, some big Gnome packages and some network, media and printing packages as well. My connection at home is terribly slow, it takes about six hours to download the vmware image here, so most of my testing was done remotely which is not a good way to test things. So if you take your time to run this, please send me feedback. Over time, I will work some FAQs and howtos as well. http://andregarzia.com/revlinux ================= Useful Information ================= The username is "revolution" The password is "linux" (Also used for any administrator dialog) All Revolution versions are installed in: /home/revolution/apps Apache, PostgreSQL and MySQL are running. Apache home folder is: /srv/www (for the static files) /srv/www/cgi-bin (for the CGIs) files with the .rev extension are mapped to the MIME type application/x-revolution. The desktop icons are .desktop files inside /home/revlution/Desktop those files are text based and can be edited if someone wants to fiddle with the settings. You can install new software by going to the computer menu -> Install Software. If you install software on the LiveCD version, it will be gone by the time you reboot but on the VMWare image or USB Drive, it will be installed fine so you can customize your experience. If you install any package that you think is useful for Revolution development and testing of Linux applications and resources, drop me a line and I will try to get it bundled in the default build of this distro. Cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From david at architex.tv Fri Feb 12 17:18:20 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:18:20 +0000 Subject: Drag and drop from browser bug? Message-ID: Thought this used to work? Do earlier versions set the dragdata correctly when you drag and drop an image from the browser? Testing on OSX - but images that you can successfully drag and drop onto the desktop - but you are unable to get useful data out of the dragdata. I'd expect that the dragdata ["files"] would be set to the url of the image - but it is empty and the dragdata ["text"] is vaguely related to the url of the image in that it often is - but sometimes can be a useless piece of javaScript like "javascript:void(0);". The Finder obviously handles the dragdata correctly - so is this an OSX bug or? From runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com Fri Feb 12 17:26:31 2010 From: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com (Scott McDonald) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:26:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1266013591651-1490489.post@n4.nabble.com> Jim, The RunRevPlanet SpellCheck stack should meet your requirements. You can make the rrpSpellCheck.rev stack a substack and so it become part of Standalone application, which means no extra files to distribute with your app. After it is made a substack, you can spell check a field with just a few lines of revTalk. The two Tutorial chapters in the http://www.runrevplanet.com/downloads/rrpSpellCheck-Guide-Reference.pdf SpellCheck Stack Guide and Reference detail how to use it. It can be kept as a separate stack, if that better suits your application design. Scott, www.runrevplanet.com -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Spell-check-tp1483817p1490489.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 12 17:35:17 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:35:17 -0600 Subject: Drag and drop from browser bug? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B75D7A5.1030700@hyperactivesw.com> David Bovill wrote: > Thought this used to work? Do earlier versions set the dragdata correctly > when you drag and drop an image from the browser? > > Testing on OSX - but images that you can successfully drag and drop onto the > desktop - but you are unable to get useful data out of the dragdata. I'd > expect that the dragdata ["files"] would be set to the url of the image - > but it is empty and the dragdata ["text"] is vaguely related to the url of > the image in that it often is - but sometimes can be a useless piece of > javaScript like "javascript:void(0);". The Finder obviously handles the > dragdata correctly - so is this an OSX bug or? Which version of Rev? In 4.0, if the image has a link, I get the link URL. If there is no link, I get the URL to the source image on the server. These are in the "text" value. The "files" value is empty. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 17:51:19 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:51:19 -0600 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > > Jeff, > I don't know if you have gotten it working yet, or at what level you are with unicode, but a couple of years ago I wrote an article to try to unravel some of the confusion surrounding using unicode in Rev. You may find it useful. See it at: > > http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.php > > Regards, > > Devin Devin, Thanks for the link. Yes, I'm very familiar and comfortable with unicode. After what Trevor pointed out it took me very little time to put together a function that performs the actions I need. However, it would appear that Rev renders unicode characters *incredibly* slow. :-( I have a field in a data grid template that needs to display unicode characters. Sadly, regardless of caching controls, fixed row heights, whatever, scrolling the data grid or resizing it is just unbearable (note: the function I wrote is called as outside the data grid behavior and the only thing done in the data grid is a set the unicodeText ... to pDataArray["text"]). Hopefully there's yet something else that I'm missing. Jeff M. From cmsheffield at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 17:51:53 2010 From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:51:53 -0700 Subject: strange option menu behavior Message-ID: I may be doing something that option menus were not intended for, so I want to check if others are seeing the same behavior. Using Rev 4.0, I'm creating an option menu in a stack with all the possible menu items I need in it. However, some of these menu items need to be disabled at different points. So I'm simply running a "disable menuitem 2" command, and that works great on the Mac side. But when I do this on the Windows side, the menu items do not appear disabled, and they're displaying the "(" before the "disabled" items. What's strange, though, is when I select one of these items, my menuPick handler does not fire, but the menuHistory of the button changes to the item I selected. So there's kind of some weird mixed behavior going on. Anyone else seeing this? Is it normal? Is there a workaround? Should I not be using an option menu this way? Thanks for any suggestions. Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 12 18:10:56 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:10:56 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all your help everyone. I was able to get it to work, not with a key click but with a keystroke. I just trap for rawkeydown 113 and quit the app. Too simple for my belabored brain. Bob On Feb 12, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Well the whole idea was to be able to go full screen as soon as it opens >> without user intervention, something that apparently Adobe will not allow with >> flash, because it poses a security risk. From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 12 18:11:59 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:11:59 -0800 Subject: OT: More on Revolution In-Reply-To: References: <1265902100902-1477367.post@n4.nabble.com> <97383FF4-9782-4EAA-966F-EEC4FC768E33@pacifier.com> <45B349E6-07BD-44ED-87CB-1ABE0078901E@pacifier.com> <9F6C3A2D-0A5C-40AC-A5BF-E7FADFF03F59@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <6FE0EC81-BC22-4872-A104-CEAFFAE91BCD@twft.com> heh heh. That bit about the enemy being US got my goat a bit. :-) On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Bob, is there a chance that you posted this to the wrong "revolution" list? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 18:12:57 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:12:57 +1000 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Jim Beckmann wrote: > How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a standalone on > different platforms? ?Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have been created > that can be placed in the script hierarchy? I wrote a Mac only solution using AppleScript. You can read about it's development and get the demo stacks here (start reading at the bottom of the page). There is a final step which I have done but not yet blogged, where the spell checking script becomes a behavior and so can be assigned to any field needing checking. Cheers, Sarah From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 12 18:15:45 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:15:45 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: <6BB787C4-11B7-41E1-AD2E-95980E4E2961@cruzio.com> References: <6BB787C4-11B7-41E1-AD2E-95980E4E2961@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <849BC98F-BFE4-4AC7-82FB-19771482E725@twft.com> Yes I feel myself being inexorably drawn into the world of tRev. I think when the script editor from GLX2 is reintroduced, (I forget who is working on that) I will use tRev exclusively. tRev's editor is awesome in lots of ways, but there are still times I have to have a step debugger, so the combination of tRev and the ability to switch to another debugger on the fly is like the perfect world. Bob On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > I have to second David's comments. TRev is coming together nicely, a piece at a time. The new fixed Browser tab is a welcome improvement over the previous "Tab" implementation. It's hard for me to use the built-in Rev editor at this point, and I'm relying less and less on the Application Browser. > > Mark From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 12 18:26:54 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:26:54 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <006e01caac04$cb73c8d0$625b5a70$@com> References: <4B757CEC.5030701@fourthworld.com> <006e01caac04$cb73c8d0$625b5a70$@com> Message-ID: <4B75E3BE.3010908@tweedly.net> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > > >> But FWIW, I tried your version and it seemed to leave the file >> unchanged >> > > If your original file ends in a cr then Alex's code would end in absolutely > no change. ;-) > That's not what my testing showed (or appeared to show). Here's the short version of the test script, and the corresponding output note the first example has a single final CR, the second has no CR and the third one has multiple CRs, and each is correctly truncated. (I missed a few test cases here - empty file, single line of data, etc. but it is only "reasonably tested") The test stack can be downloaded from http://www.tweedly.org/deletelastline.rev (btw - I don't currently have access to a mac, so it's only tested on Windows. Could that cause the different result for Richard ?) > on mouseUp > > put empty into field "F" > put "abcdefg" & CR into t > put "1234567" & CR after t > put t into URL ("file:a,b.txt") > put "abcdefg" & CR into t > put "1234567" after t > put t into URL ("file:b.txt") > put "abcdefg" & CR into t > put "1234567" & CR &CR after t > put t into URL ("file:c.txt") > putfile "a,b.txt" > deletelastline "a,b.txt" > putfile "a,b.txt" > > putfile "b.txt" > deletelastline "b.txt" > putfile "b.txt" > > putfile "c.txt" > deletelastline "c.txt" > putfile "c.txt" > end mouseUp > > on putfile p > put "file " && p & CR after field "F" > put URL ("file:" & P) after field "F" > put "endoffile" & CR after field "F" > end putfile > giving > file a,b.txt > abcdefg > 1234567 > endoffile > file a,b.txt > abcdefg > endoffile > file b.txt > abcdefg > 1234567endoffile > file b.txt > abcdefendoffile > file c.txt > abcdefg > 1234567 > > endoffile > file c.txt > abcdefg > 1234567 > endoffile -- Alex. From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 18:35:09 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:35:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: strange option menu behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <682742.70623.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> That sounds like the standard behavior of option menus on Windows - there's no way to disable any of the menu items (nor to insert separator lines, for that matter). The same goes for combo-boxes, by the way. The only solution I've been able to cook up, is to use a popup menu - use the 'at' parameter of the 'popup' command to make the menu appear in a fixed spot rather than under the mouse. HTH, Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Chris Sheffield wrote: > I may be doing something that option > menus were not intended for, so I want to check if others > are seeing the same behavior. > > Using Rev 4.0, I'm creating an option menu in a stack with > all the possible menu items I need in it. However, some of > these menu items need to be disabled at different points. So > I'm simply running a "disable menuitem 2" command, and that > works great on the Mac side. But when I do this on the > Windows side, the menu items do not appear disabled, and > they're displaying the "(" before the "disabled" items. > What's strange, though, is when I select one of these items, > my menuPick handler does not fire, but the menuHistory of > the button changes to the item I selected. So there's kind > of some weird mixed behavior going on. > > Anyone else seeing this? Is it normal? Is there a > workaround? Should I not be using an option menu this way? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Chris > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 12 19:05:57 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:05:57 -0800 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whoops! Spoke too soon. It seems that once you click in the browser window, neither clicks nor keystrokes ever make it into the Rev engine ever again. On the Mac as well as in Windows, if the browser is not clicked, hitting the Q key will quit the app (because I trap that rawkeydown and quit). Once the user clicks however, it's game over. So if anyone really understands the inner workings of the altRevBrowser, could you tell me if there is any way to get the browser to allow events to get to the IDE? I would think that the browser would pass events to the IDE, but I may be mistaken. For the future, it might be better if the browser works within an object like a field or an image or a button, instead of splashing in front of every object. Admittedly, this is not a problem for most people, because you would never put a rev object where the browser is being rendered. For now I will put a small Quit button at the top of the window and that will have to suffice for now. Bob > Thanks for all your help everyone. I was able to get it to work, not with a key click but with a keystroke. I just trap for rawkeydown 113 and quit the app. Too simple for my belabored brain. > > Bob > From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 12 19:25:06 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:25:06 +0000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> Richard Gaskin wrote: > Jim Bufalini wrote: > >> Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> But FWIW, I tried your version and it seemed to leave the file >>> unchanged >> >> If your original file ends in a cr then Alex's code would end in >> absolutely >> no change. ;-) > > Thanks, Jim. I tried it both ways; no change to the file's contents, > although the mod date gets updated so I know it's trying. I strongly suspect it only works on Windows :-( Sorry. I don't have either a Mac or Linux box to try it on, however I did just try it on the on-rev server (as an .irev script) and it also appears to leave the file unchanged there. In fact, it gives an error ("error in offset expression") on the seek, because the test file is less than 1000 chars - an error which didn't get flagged up on Windows. I changed the line from seek tFileLength-K in file pFile to if tFileLength-k > 0 then seek tFileLength-K in file pFile to avoid the error. But it then leaves the file unchanged. I suspect the *trick* of opening a file for append, then seeking back into the middle of the file before doing a write is OS-dependent. It's certainly not documented (either way), and I was surprised when Jim said that it could be done. Intuitively, 'append' should mean that the existing file is unchangable - all you can do is add to it. Playing around some more, it appears that the results of write to file in these odd cases are not always what you'd expect. I would have expected the following two fragments to be equivalent > seek to 2 in file "b.txt" > write "x" to file "b.txt" and > write "x" to file "b.txt" at 2 to be equivalent, but they are not. The latter truncates the file after the write, but the former does not (in Windows). Could you try this in your multi-line msg box and let me know what it does on Mac ? > put "abcdefg" & CR into URL "file:b.txt" > put URL "file:b.txt" > open file "b.txt" for append > write "x" to file "b.txt" at 2 > close file "b.txt" > put URL "file:b.txt" after msg on Win, it produces > abcdefg > abx Thanks -- Alex. From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 12 19:26:19 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:26:19 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: <849BC98F-BFE4-4AC7-82FB-19771482E725@twft.com> References: <6BB787C4-11B7-41E1-AD2E-95980E4E2961@cruzio.com> <849BC98F-BFE4-4AC7-82FB-19771482E725@twft.com> Message-ID: <191FEA88-C563-4C7C-844C-F0DAAD2AEB47@me.com> Bob, Glad you are grooving on tRev. tRev has definitely changed the way I personally develop apps, mentor and work on projects for people. But the area where I've seen the most change in my own habits is in the debugging arena. I used to debug in GLX2's and Rev's modal debugger a lot. I was quite dependent upon it. In fact, I think I was using it as part of my coding environment. My code got sloppier?I figured, "Hey, I'll catch any problems in the debugger." Time spent coding was, well surprisingly lengthy. It would wear me out. I didn't realize it at the time, but in retrospect, that's what I think was happening. I'd have to say that using tRev has changed my coding habits in general. 1. I spend much less time coding. 2. I spend about 80 to 90% less time debugging now as well. Why is that? I was somewhat mystified by this discovery, myself. Here's what I think has happened: my mind started working differently when I started using tRev. I really organize my code in the folders it provides in the handler lists, especially since I can drag and drop handlers wherever I like in the handler list's folders. I can actually find my handlers?even from older projects. The scratch pad containing links of frequently-worked handlers helps me find the handlers I'm working on, as do the links to handlers peppered through out my code, thanks to tRev. The biggest thing I discovered about coding in RevTalk and xTalk is this: it's about the handlers. How you get to them, how you organize them. The stats function in tRev even tells me my average handler size in a script. If the lines per handler is getting too big in a script, then I know I'm asking for rough sledding and wasting time. Coding in tRev is ALL about the handlers. When I realized this, I slapped my forehead and said: "It's the handlers, stupid!" tRev has puts me in a better frame of mind: simple order. That's how I'd describe it. tRev has really made it easier and encouraged me by its example (you could say). It's easier to follow my own simple coding standards (naming vars with good names, not using nested functions, indexing repeats with var names, not "x", etc.). And the autocomplete feature really cut down on typos. So, firstly, my need to debug is less, because my code was getting better. Then, when I did debug in tRev (we call it "decoding"), one glance at the decoder and errors seemed to jump out at me. Most of the time I don't even step through the breakpoints. That said, our decoder (a modeless debugger that appears after a script has run with an historical record stored in a database of breakpoints) still has some features coming. We are working on better support for multi-dimensional arrays and fixing some display anomalies. We're also adding support for breakpoints in repeat loops that let you walk through the iterations of variable content in a loop? after the code has run, of course. The biggest advantage of the debugger: its design/architecture keeps it completely out of Rev's way. It cannot really crash Rev or tRev. It's like a good doctor that "does no harm." People using tRev are challenged by the decoder because it is a completely different model. There is no debugger like it. But once you get to using it, and let it work on your head, you'll find some real rewards. I am a very productive 61 year old coder and developer. You see here on this list just how often I update tRev with new features. I also do a significant amount of mentoring and project work for others. I also have a life with my family, community and friends outside of the technical world. But since using tRev, I spend less time coding/developing and much more time enjoying it, blogging about it. tRev seems to give me a certain clarity of mind that GLX2, Galaxy, Constellation and Rev script editors did not. Again, glad you're enjoying the product. It's encouraging to hear. Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Yes I feel myself being inexorably drawn into the world of tRev. I > think when the script editor from GLX2 is reintroduced, (I forget > who is working on that) I will use tRev exclusively. tRev's editor > is awesome in lots of ways, but there are still times I have to have > a step debugger, so the combination of tRev and the ability to > switch to another debugger on the fly is like the perfect world. > > Bob > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > >> I have to second David's comments. TRev is coming together nicely, >> a piece at a time. The new fixed Browser tab is a welcome >> improvement over the previous "Tab" implementation. It's hard for >> me to use the built-in Rev editor at this point, and I'm relying >> less and less on the Application Browser. >> >> Mark > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 12 19:58:00 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:58:00 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Move controls in tRev Object Browser with the new ZOOM! In-Reply-To: <191FEA88-C563-4C7C-844C-F0DAAD2AEB47@me.com> References: <6BB787C4-11B7-41E1-AD2E-95980E4E2961@cruzio.com> <849BC98F-BFE4-4AC7-82FB-19771482E725@twft.com> <191FEA88-C563-4C7C-844C-F0DAAD2AEB47@me.com> Message-ID: <8F3D6E41-AF91-4FA4-BFC9-FFADF8A58C92@me.com> I meant to say: "The biggest advantage of the decoder" (not debugger) in my previous post. On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > The biggest advantage of the debugger: its design/architecture keeps > it completely out of Rev's way. It cannot really crash Rev or tRev. > It's like a good doctor that "does no harm." From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 12 19:59:03 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:59:03 -1000 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <009701caac47$bd1388f0$373a9ad0$@com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > I suspect the *trick* of opening a file for append, then seeking back > into the middle of the file before doing a write is OS-dependent. It's > certainly not documented (either way), and I was surprised when Jim > said > that it could be done. > Intuitively, 'append' should mean that the existing file is unchangable > - all you can do is add to it. > > Playing around some more, it appears that the results of write to file > in these odd cases are not always what you'd expect. > > I would have expected the following two fragments to be equivalent > > > seek to 2 in file "b.txt" > > write "x" to file "b.txt" > and > > > write "x" to file "b.txt" at 2 > to be equivalent, but they are not. The latter truncates the file after > the write, but the former does not (in Windows). I have never used the *seek* that both you and Richard had in your code examples for write. I've never even used seek for a read, preferring to keep track of offsets myself. This is why, in the example that I gave back on the 9th (and tested at the time), I used *open for append - write at offset - close*. I also have never written an empty, but some truncated data. So, I just assumed and it sounded "logical" that seeking and then writing an empty was the equivalent of what I knew worked. I guess not. Good to know. In any case, I do know that if you open for append and write at least one char at an offset, it does truncate the file at the end of that char. And I know this works on at least PC and Mac. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 12 20:35:43 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:35:43 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B7601EF.9010908@hyperactivesw.com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > I strongly suspect it only works on Windows :-( Sorry. > I don't have either a Mac or Linux box to try it on, however I did just > try it on the on-rev server (as an .irev script) and it also appears to > leave the file unchanged there. I wonder if it has to do with the OS-dependent line-ending conversion that the engine does when it writes to text files. If you open the file as binfile instead of plain "file" you'll avoid that conversion. It might work differently that way. > > Playing around some more, it appears that the results of write to file > in these odd cases are not always what you'd expect. > > I would have expected the following two fragments to be equivalent > >> seek to 2 in file "b.txt" >> write "x" to file "b.txt" > and > >> write "x" to file "b.txt" at 2 That looks right. The "write" command always begins writing at the postion after the pointer. But when you specify an exact postion in particular, it writes where you tell it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 12 20:45:10 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:45:10 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B7601EF.9010908@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> <4B7601EF.9010908@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B760426.3070601@hyperactivesw.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> I strongly suspect it only works on Windows :-( Sorry. >> I don't have either a Mac or Linux box to try it on, however I did >> just try it on the on-rev server (as an .irev script) and it also >> appears to leave the file unchanged there. > > I wonder if it has to do with the OS-dependent line-ending conversion > that the engine does when it writes to text files. If you open the file > as binfile instead of plain "file" you'll avoid that conversion. It > might work differently that way. I'll withdraw this, it's wrong. Whatever OS your script is on, the file it writes will will have matching line endings. So nope. If I finish all the other stuff I need to do this weekend I'll try some of the tests everyone posted. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Feb 12 21:02:58 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:02:58 -0500 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: References: <005c01caabd3$895ea1d0$9c1be570$@com> <963c86eb1002120721i42fea0f9u83e479ef6324fceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FE7466C-DCE1-4BB6-B2F8-AED242ED6609@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > However, it would appear that Rev renders unicode characters > *incredibly* slow. :-( > > I have a field in a data grid template that needs to display unicode > characters. Sadly, regardless of caching controls, fixed row > heights, whatever, scrolling the data grid or resizing it is just > unbearable (note: the function I wrote is called as outside the data > grid behavior and the only thing done in the data grid is a set the > unicodeText ... to pDataArray["text"]). > > Hopefully there's yet something else that I'm missing. It would seem that there is something else going on to cause such a slowdown. I often load UTF-8 data into a Data Grid and then convert to UTF-16 and assign to the unicodeText property in FillInData. I haven't noticed any slowdown. There is absolutely nothing else going on? If not can you send a sample stack to me off-list? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 22:02:38 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:02:38 +0800 Subject: Help message Broadcasting system In-Reply-To: <1266005583007-1490365.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1265923988268-1477816.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266005583007-1490365.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > What about combining the custom property idea with the db idea. Eventually > the data for my application will be in a remote mySQL and I would like to be > able to update help information and have it get changed on the client end as > its updated in the db. Yes, that would work > > I need non-tech folks that work for our company who know the purposes of the > items in this software to be able to enter help info into the db and it be > spit out. > I'd suggest you implement something in your registration key code that identifies who are 'normal' users, and who are 'company' users. I think you could then proceed in at least two ways (with Rev there's sure to be more:-) A simple method of checking for the 'optionKey is down' on mouseUp if ((the optionKey is down) and (the cRego of this stack contains "PLEH")) then --present a field with the current Help message --allow for updating Help messages else --normal process end mouseUp That way, a company worker who comes across a Help message error, can click on the object (with the optionKey down) and update the Help message right then and there. Of course you may have other plans for option/command/alt/control key combinations. Another option could be 'company' users have an extra checkbox on their Preference page (or an extra Menu Item, that allows them to enter 'Update mode', which removes all the data from the fields and leaves a blank card with all the fields and buttons which can be clicked and Help messages individually updated. > > So maybe a have a handler that watches for the custom message property to > determine what control it is and the hanlder gets info from the db to put > into the help. > If you are referring to the getProp message, I don't see a reason in this situation to use it. Assuming your DB is large or bigger, then you'd need to organise some scheme of keeping track of updates in portions of the DB, (ie just prices, products added removed, Help info updated) so when users go online a quick check is done and then they are given the option to update the latest info. > Is this going to put too much stress on my db? I doubt it very much. HTH > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Help-message-Broadcasting-system-tp1477816p1490365.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 22:14:22 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:14:22 +0800 Subject: [OT] Google Buzz - Beware Message-ID: 2010/2/12 Bj?rnke von Gierke : > Uhm.. just so that no one is confused, adding yourself to the map does _not_ reveal your email at google to anyone (tho 99% of the times it's of course going to be @gmail.com). > For those Gmail users who had Buzz turn up and just accepted it: http://en.kioskea.net/news/14946-google-buzz-tweaked-amid-privacy-complaints Better late than never I guess. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 22:47:06 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:47:06 +0800 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Could you try this in your multi-line msg box and let me know what it does > on Mac ? >> >> put "abcdefg" & CR into URL "file:b.txt" >> put URL "file:b.txt" >> open file "b.txt" for append >> write "x" to file "b.txt" ?at 2 >> close file "b.txt" >> put URL "file:b.txt" after msg > > on Win, it produces >> >> abcdefg >> abx > Alex, on OS X.6.2, MBP, Rev 4.0 abcdefg abcdefg x :-( From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 12 23:11:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:11:01 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B762655.3040404@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> Could you try this in your multi-line msg box and let me know what it does >> on Mac ? >>> put "abcdefg" & CR into URL "file:b.txt" >>> put URL "file:b.txt" >>> open file "b.txt" for append >>> write "x" to file "b.txt" at 2 >>> close file "b.txt" >>> put URL "file:b.txt" after msg >> on Win, it produces >>> abcdefg >>> abx > Alex, > > on OS X.6.2, MBP, Rev 4.0 > > abcdefg > abcdefg > x I did some quick tests and it looks like the write command is broken on OS X. Endian issue with Intel Macs maybe. Don't open a file "for write" until they fix it, you can lose data. I'll file a bug report. The reason I just noticed this is because I was testing some of these suggestions. The version of "open file" we should be using, the one which truncates contents, is the "open for write" command. However, no matter at what position I write to the file, the entire contents were replaced. Don't go there if you're on a new Mac. You won't lose data with other types of open file, but the write position may be off. It sounds like it works okay on Windows, and I suspect Linux is okay too. I remember using "open file for write" on my PPC machine and had no trouble, which is why I suspect an Intel issue. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 23:25:16 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:25:16 +0800 Subject: AW: Andre's house - completely offtopic In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002111902l4da053fex5058f267f547c410@mail.gmail.com> References: <8B87500647034AF2A75A84878F55E89E@Kestner.local> <1420D830-27E7-4FC4-8AB9-ECE8F4551F33@mac.com> <4B747BE8.10804@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7487D2.9030306@hyperactivesw.com> <5275793890.20100211150956@ahsoftware.net> <283317812.20100211171520@ahsoftware.net> <9b408d8e1002111902l4da053fex5058f267f547c410@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Mikey wrote: > > I know this was largely tongue in cheek, but since I've been all over the > region between Hawaii, RMI and FSM, just a comment: > Glad you picked up in that, I was starting to get tongue cramp ;-) > 1) Johnston used to be serviced by both Continental Air Micronesia ("Air > Mike") and Air Marshall Islands ("AMI" pronounced "AIMEE"), until it was > mostly decommissioned after its chemical weapons disposal mission ended. > There is essentially nothing to see there any more. ?Now when there WAS, you > had to pull the shades on your seats before landing, and while on the > ground. ?(This was also the case for quite a while on Kwajalein). > Nothing to see maybe, but I think the half life of Plutonium is about 24,000 years. Whilst it is an idyllic vacation dive spot, I don't think the ever decreasing local population has anything to do with too much paradise to handle. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 13 00:20:41 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:20:41 -0600 Subject: Reading/Deleting Last Line Of File In-Reply-To: References: <4B75A2D5.90907@fourthworld.com> <4B75F162.8000508@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B7636A9.5050509@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> Could you try this in your multi-line msg box and let me know what it does >> on Mac ? >>> put "abcdefg" & CR into URL "file:b.txt" >>> put URL "file:b.txt" >>> open file "b.txt" for append >>> write "x" to file "b.txt" at 2 >>> close file "b.txt" >>> put URL "file:b.txt" after msg >> on Win, it produces >>> abcdefg >>> abx > Alex, > > on OS X.6.2, MBP, Rev 4.0 > > abcdefg > abcdefg > x I get what Kay got on OS X 10.5.8, which is the correct behavior. Append is supposed to force any writes to the end of the existing file. I tested some more with the "open for write" command, which should do what Alex was after -- truncating the text at the character offset, and adding any new data at that position. This fails on both Windows and Mac. Bug report has been submitted. For details, see: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 00:53:53 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:53:53 -0500 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52D137BF-7ACD-48DB-B80F-28BF983631EE@gmail.com> I'd love to use these routines, but when I run your demo stack nothing happens in the field that should be checked, except the flagged words become unflagged. In the listBadWords handler, when the Applescript command is executed I get tErrorList = "execution error" -- which is not trapped for, so it fails silently. I'm using a MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 4.0.0-gm-1, build 950. Does this stack require Snow Leopard? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Jim Beckmann > wrote: >> How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a >> standalone on >> different platforms? Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have >> been created >> that can be placed in the script hierarchy? > > > I wrote a Mac only solution using AppleScript. You can read about it's > development and get the demo stacks here > > (start reading at the bottom of the page). > There is a final step which I have done but not yet blogged, where the > spell checking script becomes a behavior and so can be assigned to any > field needing checking. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 00:57:12 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:57:12 +0800 Subject: [OT] Google Buzz - Beware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I realise the horse has already bolted, but for those who haven't turned Buzz off, another link: http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/12/google-buzz-privacy/ On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > 2010/2/12 Bj?rnke von Gierke : >> Uhm.. just so that no one is confused, adding yourself to the map does _not_ reveal your email at google to anyone (tho 99% of the times it's of course going to be @gmail.com). >> > > For those Gmail users who had Buzz turn up and just accepted it: > > http://en.kioskea.net/news/14946-google-buzz-tweaked-amid-privacy-complaints > > Better late than never I guess. > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 01:02:54 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:02:54 +1000 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <52D137BF-7ACD-48DB-B80F-28BF983631EE@gmail.com> References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> <52D137BF-7ACD-48DB-B80F-28BF983631EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: No, I wrote it originally on 10.5. After installing the XSpell scripting addition, maybe you need to restart Rev to get it to know about the addition. I don't remember if I did that when I first installed. Cheers, Sarah On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > I'd love to use these routines, but when I run your demo stack nothing > happens in the field that should be checked, except the flagged words become > unflagged. In the listBadWords handler, when the Applescript command is > executed I get tErrorList = "execution error" -- which is not trapped for, > so it fails silently. I'm using a MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio > 4.0.0-gm-1, build 950. Does this stack require Snow Leopard? > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Jim Beckmann >> wrote: >>> >>> How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a standalone on >>> different platforms? ?Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have been >>> created >>> that can be placed in the script hierarchy? >> >> >> I wrote a Mac only solution using AppleScript. You can read about it's >> development and get the demo stacks here >> >> (start reading at the bottom of the page). >> There is a final step which I have done but not yet blogged, where the >> spell checking script becomes a behavior and so can be assigned to any >> field needing checking. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 13 02:40:52 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux 0.0.2 In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002121355l79e09cffi1956d8a67ba1462c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002121355l79e09cffi1956d8a67ba1462c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266046852851-1536368.post@n4.nabble.com> Great work. I'll download and have a bash. Andre, we really owe you much thanks for this work. What we need now is for Rev to agree formally that this (or something else if they prefer) is a reference distribution, and bring specification and performance on this into line. Specification should include the user manual. As my old quality managers used to say, quality means that you do what you say you are doing. If you can't change what you do, you must change what you say you are doing. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-0-0-2-tp1490459p1536368.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From h at FlexibleLearning.com Sat Feb 13 03:08:08 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:08:08 -0000 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <20100212233512.89F20288EF5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: There is also a free solution (along with a dictionary builder) at www.flexibleLearning.com/xtalk. Probably not as feature rich, but it might serve your purposes. /H On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Jim Beckmann wrote: > How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a standalone on > different platforms? Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have been created > that can be placed in the script hierarchy? > > Thanks. I haven't used the product, but have a look at "RunRevPlanet SpellCheck" in the RevSelect store: https://secure.runrev.com/store/browse/?category=6 Best Regards, David C. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 06:07:54 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:07:54 +0200 Subject: Mixt 'normal' and unicodeText in a field ??? Message-ID: <4B76880A.7020108@gmail.com> Cripes, I must be bonkers . . . :) Not really, just a bit cheesed off when I want to put something 'sophisticated' such as 'and' in between 2 unicode chars in a field where useUnicode is set to true I have to define it by numToChar(XXX) for each constituent character. For example: I wish to put unicode char numToChar(353) followed by ' and ' followed by numToChar(353) in a textField and I develop serious repetitive stress syndrome pumping out all those numToChars for space - a - n - d - space; a right mug's game! So, naively, I tried this: set the useUnicode to true set the unicodeText of fld "fKRAP" to numToChar(353) & " and " & numToChar(353) and, while I got my 2 "353s" they were separated by Chinese chars (presumably because the " and " is read as double-byte chars). Bright ideas (not excluding "Go out and climb the hills for 3 days") welcomed. From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 13 06:35:57 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:35:57 +0100 Subject: Mixt 'normal' and unicodeText in a field ??? In-Reply-To: <4B76880A.7020108@gmail.com> References: <4B76880A.7020108@gmail.com> Message-ID: put uniencode("and") into theText set the useUnicode to true set the unicodeText of fld "fKRAP" to numToChar(353) && theText && numToChar(353) On 13 Feb 2010, at 12:07, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Cripes, I must be bonkers . . . :) > > Not really, just a bit cheesed off when I want to put something 'sophisticated' such as 'and' > in between 2 unicode chars in a field where useUnicode is set to true I have to define it > by numToChar(XXX) for each constituent character. > > For example: > > I wish to put unicode char numToChar(353) followed by ' and ' followed by numToChar(353) > in a textField and I develop serious repetitive stress syndrome pumping out all those > numToChars for space - a - n - d - space; a right mug's game! > > So, naively, I tried this: > > set the useUnicode to true > set the unicodeText of fld "fKRAP" to numToChar(353) & " and " & numToChar(353) > > and, while I got my 2 "353s" they were separated by Chinese chars (presumably > because the " and " is read as double-byte chars). > > Bright ideas (not excluding "Go out and climb the hills for 3 days") welcomed. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 06:52:21 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:52:21 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? Message-ID: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> Hi all, as the subject says I am looking for a way to calculate the "maxscroll" (maximum h/v-scroll value) of a LocLocked group with content larger than the group. Know what I mean? Thanks in advance! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 07:06:01 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:06:01 +0100 Subject: VSCROLL of groups don't work? WAS: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <5ABCC6D5-3F75-4581-8BD3-F04B8AE9411F@major.on-rev.com> Hi all, when trying to fibure this out I found that the VSCROLL of locLocked grougs doens not work somehow?! Rev 4.0 OS X 106.2. I have an image in a group, larger thatn the group and the set the groups width and heigt to 100. Then I enabled v and h scrollbar for this group and added this script: on scrollbardrag put the scroll of me & CR & the vscroll of me end scrollbardrag ## SCROLL = HSCROLL These values ONLY change when I use th horizontal scrollbar! They stay ZERO when Vscrolloing the gropup??? Am I missing somehting? > Hi all, > > as the subject says I am looking for a way to calculate the "maxscroll" > (maximum h/v-scroll value) of a LocLocked group with content larger > than the group. Know what I mean? > > Thanks in advance! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 13 07:17:49 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:17:49 +0100 Subject: VSCROLL of groups don't work? WAS: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <5ABCC6D5-3F75-4581-8BD3-F04B8AE9411F@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <5ABCC6D5-3F75-4581-8BD3-F04B8AE9411F@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <3AA3D202-D357-44D8-A4A0-85CADD961413@mac.com> this code works as expected for me: on scrollbardrag put the hscroll of me, the vscroll of me, the scroll of me end scrollbardrag lockloc = true hscrollbar = true vscrolbar = true On 13 Feb 2010, at 13:06, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi all, > > when trying to fibure this out I found that the VSCROLL of locLocked grougs > doens not work somehow?! Rev 4.0 OS X 106.2. > > I have an image in a group, larger thatn the group and the set the groups width and heigt to 100. > Then I enabled v and h scrollbar for this group and added this script: > > on scrollbardrag > put the scroll of me & CR & the vscroll of me > end scrollbardrag > ## SCROLL = HSCROLL > > These values ONLY change when I use th horizontal scrollbar! > They stay ZERO when Vscrolloing the gropup??? > Am I missing somehting? > >> Hi all, >> >> as the subject says I am looking for a way to calculate the "maxscroll" >> (maximum h/v-scroll value) of a LocLocked group with content larger >> than the group. Know what I mean? >> >> Thanks in advance! > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 13 07:21:59 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:21:59 +0100 Subject: VSCROLL of groups don't work? WAS: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <3AA3D202-D357-44D8-A4A0-85CADD961413@mac.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <5ABCC6D5-3F75-4581-8BD3-F04B8AE9411F@major.on-rev.com> <3AA3D202-D357-44D8-A4A0-85CADD961413@mac.com> Message-ID: <5E14137E-E631-482E-8070-71863C426AAD@mac.com> Oh right forgot your original question: put the formattedHeight of group 1, the formattedWidth of group 1 On 13 Feb 2010, at 13:17, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > this code works as expected for me: > > on scrollbardrag > put the hscroll of me, the vscroll of me, the scroll of me > end scrollbardrag > > lockloc = true > hscrollbar = true > vscrolbar = true > > On 13 Feb 2010, at 13:06, Klaus on-rev wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> when trying to fibure this out I found that the VSCROLL of locLocked grougs >> doens not work somehow?! Rev 4.0 OS X 106.2. >> >> I have an image in a group, larger thatn the group and the set the groups width and heigt to 100. >> Then I enabled v and h scrollbar for this group and added this script: >> >> on scrollbardrag >> put the scroll of me & CR & the vscroll of me >> end scrollbardrag >> ## SCROLL = HSCROLL >> >> These values ONLY change when I use th horizontal scrollbar! >> They stay ZERO when Vscrolloing the gropup??? >> Am I missing somehting? >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> as the subject says I am looking for a way to calculate the "maxscroll" >>> (maximum h/v-scroll value) of a LocLocked group with content larger >>> than the group. Know what I mean? >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >> >> Best >> >> Klaus >> >> -- >> Klaus Major >> http://www.major-k.de >> klaus at major.on-rev.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 07:28:01 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:28:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux 0.0.2 In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002121355l79e09cffi1956d8a67ba1462c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002121355l79e09cffi1956d8a67ba1462c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266064081067-1554306.post@n4.nabble.com> These are great news! Many thanks for your dedication, to create these distributions for the whole community. :-D By the way, i noticed that if you compress the file: VMWare Image RunRev_Community_Linux.i686-0.0.1.vmx.tar.gz (567 MB) using 7Zip, the file gets reduced to aprox. 350 MB This is an extraordinary saving of 200 MB. Could you verify on your side that compressing images in 7zip really saves so much space and bandwidth? Thanks a lot again! Have a great good weekend. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-0-0-2-tp1490459p1554306.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 07:27:32 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:27:32 +0100 Subject: VSCROLL of groups don't work? WAS: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <3AA3D202-D357-44D8-A4A0-85CADD961413@mac.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <5ABCC6D5-3F75-4581-8BD3-F04B8AE9411F@major.on-rev.com> <3AA3D202-D357-44D8-A4A0-85CADD961413@mac.com> Message-ID: <53781640-1899-42B9-AC3E-E0D9A0047F24@major.on-rev.com> Am 13.02.2010 um 13:17 schrieb Bj?rnke von Gierke: > this code works as expected for me: > > on scrollbardrag > put the hscroll of me, the vscroll of me, the scroll of me > end scrollbardrag > > lockloc = true > hscrollbar = true > vscrolbar = true Hmmmmm, really does NOT work here, just tested with 4.5dp2 I get 0 0 after dragging the vscrollbar to the "max"? BUT I get identical values if I only drag the vertical scrollbar! WTF??? Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 07:29:08 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:29:08 +0100 Subject: VSCROLL of groups don't work? WAS: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <5E14137E-E631-482E-8070-71863C426AAD@mac.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <5ABCC6D5-3F75-4581-8BD3-F04B8AE9411F@major.on-rev.com> <3AA3D202-D357-44D8-A4A0-85CADD961413@mac.com> <5E14137E-E631-482E-8070-71863C426AAD@mac.com> Message-ID: Am 13.02.2010 um 13:21 schrieb Bj?rnke von Gierke: > Oh right forgot your original question: > > put the formattedHeight of group 1, the formattedWidth of group 1 ??? The "max v/h scroll" = the formattedwidth/-height of the group? Never :-D Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 07:36:00 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:36:00 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : > Hi all, > > as the subject says I am looking for a way to calculate the "maxscroll" > (maximum h/v-scroll value) of a LocLocked group with content larger > than the group. Know what I mean? > > Thanks in advance! > > > Best > > Klaus > Hi Klaus, Why not like this? constant kBigValue = 999999999 function maxHScroll pTheGroup local tCurrentValue, tMaxHScroll lock screen lock messages put the hScroll of pTheGroup into tCurrentValue -- save the current hScroll set the hScroll of pTheGroup to kBigValue -- set the hScroll to an aberant value put the hScroll of pTheGroup into tMaxHScroll -- read the maxValue set the hScroll of pTheGroup to tCurrentValue -- revert to the current value unlock messages unlock screen return tMaxHScroll end maxHScroll function maxVScroll pTheGroup local tCurrentValue, tMaxVScroll lock screen lock messages put the vScroll of pTheGroup into tCurrentValue -- save the current vScroll set the vScroll of pTheGroup to kBigValue -- set the vScroll to an aberant value put the vScroll of pTheGroup into tMaxVScroll -- read the maxValue set the vScroll of pTheGroup to tCurrentValue -- revert to the current value unlock messages unlock screen return tMaxVScroll end maxVScroll -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 07:43:03 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:43:03 +0200 Subject: Mixt 'normal' and unicodeText in a field ??? In-Reply-To: References: <4B76880A.7020108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B769E57.10002@gmail.com> On 13/02/2010 13:35, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > put uniencode("and") into theText > set the useUnicode to true > set the unicodeText of fld "fKRAP" to numToChar(353)&& theText&& numToChar(353) > > > Thanks; that's lovely. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 07:46:39 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:46:39 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> Hi zryip, > 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : >> Hi all, >> >> as the subject says I am looking for a way to calculate the "maxscroll" >> (maximum h/v-scroll value) of a LocLocked group with content larger >> than the group. Know what I mean? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Best >> Klaus > > Hi Klaus, > > Why not like this? > constant kBigValue = 999999999 > ... Very good question! Surely works, but not for me, since I cannot set or get the VSCROLL of my &##*** group :-D Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 07:56:21 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:56:21 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002130456i5862211fo8894636ea86e28d4@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : >> >> Hi Klaus, >> >> Why not like this? >> constant kBigValue = 999999999 >> ... > > Very good question! > > Surely works, but not for me, since I cannot set or get the VSCROLL of my &##*** group :-D Works pretty well for me... RunRev 4.5.0 - dp 2 Mac OS X 10.6.2 Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 07:58:36 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:58:36 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002130456i5862211fo8894636ea86e28d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130456i5862211fo8894636ea86e28d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E396265-4784-47AA-9F5F-F68A2D29D6BC@major.on-rev.com> Hi zryip, > 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : >>> >>> Hi Klaus, >>> Why not like this? >>> constant kBigValue = 999999999 >>> ... >> Very good question! >> Surely works, but not for me, since I cannot set or get the VSCROLL of my &##*** group :-D > > Works pretty well for me... > RunRev 4.5.0 - dp 2 > Mac OS X 10.6.2 Ah, yes, thank you, I am cursed, I know! :-D But really, this does not work here, no kidding! > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 08:12:43 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:12:43 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <9E396265-4784-47AA-9F5F-F68A2D29D6BC@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130456i5862211fo8894636ea86e28d4@mail.gmail.com> <9E396265-4784-47AA-9F5F-F68A2D29D6BC@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002130512t59472036y4fde4682778cd9a6@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : > Hi zryip, > >> 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : >>>> >>>> Hi Klaus, >>>> Why not like this? >>>> constant kBigValue = 999999999 >>>> ... >>> Very good question! >>> Surely works, but not for me, since I cannot set or get the VSCROLL of my &##*** group :-D >> >> Works pretty well for me... >> RunRev 4.5.0 - dp 2 >> Mac OS X 10.6.2 > > Ah, yes, thank you, I am cursed, I know! :-D > > But really, this does not work here, no kidding! Throw some holy water on your motherboard. Try again when you starts to see smoke. HTH 8-) -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 13 08:18:28 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:18:28 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <9E396265-4784-47AA-9F5F-F68A2D29D6BC@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130456i5862211fo8894636ea86e28d4@mail.gmail.com> <9E396265-4784-47AA-9F5F-F68A2D29D6BC@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <6427DCB4-0084-450B-BA94-7BA0414B1749@major.on-rev.com> Hi all, restarting my MacMini finally solved my strange problem!? Voodoo did not work, nor did holy water or holy sh** :-D And now I found the correct math for my problem: maxscroll = the formattedheight of grp x - the height of grp x + the scrollbarwidth of grp x I was always weak in math, so this takes a while for me... ;-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 08:35:50 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:35:50 -0500 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> <52D137BF-7ACD-48DB-B80F-28BF983631EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62E08EF1-FF36-4562-BEE2-3EE13A9F3BC5@gmail.com> I already had the osax installed from some time ago. However, it was installed in the ScriptingAdditions folder in my OS user library. I then installed it in the root library ScriptingAdditions folder and now things work. Don't know why I had to do that -- I thought osaxen would work if in the user library. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > No, I wrote it originally on 10.5. After installing the XSpell > scripting addition, maybe you need to restart Rev to get it to know > about the addition. I don't remember if I did that when I first > installed. > > Cheers, > Sarah > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Brigham MD > wrote: >> I'd love to use these routines, but when I run your demo stack >> nothing >> happens in the field that should be checked, except the flagged >> words become >> unflagged. In the listBadWords handler, when the Applescript >> command is >> executed I get tErrorList = "execution error" -- which is not >> trapped for, >> so it fails silently. I'm using a MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio >> 4.0.0-gm-1, build 950. Does this stack require Snow Leopard? >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Jim Beckmann >> > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a >>>> standalone on >>>> different platforms? Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have >>>> been >>>> created >>>> that can be placed in the script hierarchy? >>> >>> >>> I wrote a Mac only solution using AppleScript. You can read about >>> it's >>> development and get the demo stacks here >>> >>> (start reading at the bottom of the page). >>> There is a final step which I have done but not yet blogged, where >>> the >>> spell checking script becomes a behavior and so can be assigned to >>> any >>> field needing checking. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 09:01:08 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:01:08 +0100 Subject: getting "maxscroll" of a group? In-Reply-To: <6427DCB4-0084-450B-BA94-7BA0414B1749@major.on-rev.com> References: <32B4DC2E-FDD4-4839-8433-CD8D4BDDBB4F@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130436r4ec4c2cfsd31951314f4fc025@mail.gmail.com> <09634593-D40B-45BF-B5BF-3D07895BEBA8@major.on-rev.com> <64bda6471002130456i5862211fo8894636ea86e28d4@mail.gmail.com> <9E396265-4784-47AA-9F5F-F68A2D29D6BC@major.on-rev.com> <6427DCB4-0084-450B-BA94-7BA0414B1749@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002130601p1d993d1p42c7209fc574c2ed@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/13 Klaus on-rev : > Hi all, > > restarting my MacMini finally solved my strange problem!? > Voodoo did not work, nor did holy water or holy sh** :-D > > And now I found the correct math for my problem: > maxscroll = the formattedheight of grp x - the height of grp x + the scrollbarwidth of grp x > > I was always weak in math, so this takes a while for me... ;-) I missed the formattedheight / width functions... More elegant than my solution. It seems that you keep your holy water for this time! Thanks for sharing the final solution ;) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From david.bovill at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 09:05:46 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:05:46 +0000 Subject: Drag and drop from browser bug? In-Reply-To: <4B75D7A5.1030700@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B75D7A5.1030700@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Try this url (http://david.on-rev.com/tests/drag_image.html) - it is an example of a file that the browser and finder handels fine - drag the image onto the desktop and it is downloaded - but there is no way to do it in rev as there is no useful data in the dragdata. Shall I file it as a bug? On 12 February 2010 22:35, J. Landman Gay wrote: > David Bovill wrote: > >> Thought this used to work? Do earlier versions set the dragdata correctly >> when you drag and drop an image from the browser? >> >> Testing on OSX - but images that you can successfully drag and drop onto >> the >> desktop - but you are unable to get useful data out of the dragdata. I'd >> expect that the dragdata ["files"] would be set to the url of the image - >> but it is empty and the dragdata ["text"] is vaguely related to the url of >> the image in that it often is - but sometimes can be a useless piece of >> javaScript like "javascript:void(0);". The Finder obviously handles the >> dragdata correctly - so is this an OSX bug or? >> > > Which version of Rev? In 4.0, if the image has a link, I get the link URL. > If there is no link, I get the URL to the source image on the server. These > are in the "text" value. The "files" value is empty. > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 09:58:22 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:58:22 +0000 Subject: Drag and drop from browser bug? In-Reply-To: References: <4B75D7A5.1030700@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:05 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Try this url (http://david.on-rev.com/tests/drag_image.html) - it is an > example of a file that the browser and finder handels fine David, Other images where the href of the surrounding anchor tag points to a URL for the image file still work as Jacque says (the URL is in dragData["text"]). It seems to me that what you are seeing is that the href of the surrounding anchor tag of your test page is being put into the dragData["text"], not the value of the href attribute of the enclosed img. I guess that Finder (and for that matter, Explorer on Vista) are get the URL from the href of the img tag, rather than the surrounding anchor tag and downloading the image accordingly. It's hard to know if this should be marked as a bug or an enhancement. Bernard From david.bovill at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 10:30:28 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:30:28 +0000 Subject: Drag and drop from browser bug? In-Reply-To: References: <4B75D7A5.1030700@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: OK - thanks for testing - filed as bug report - http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8616 On 13 February 2010 14:58, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:05 PM, David Bovill > wrote: > > Try this url (http://david.on-rev.com/tests/drag_image.html) - it is an > > example of a file that the browser and finder handels fine > > David, > > Other images where the href of the surrounding anchor tag points to a > URL for the image file still work as Jacque says (the URL is in > dragData["text"]). It seems to me that what you are seeing is that > the href of the surrounding anchor tag of your test page is being put > into the dragData["text"], not the value of the href attribute of the > enclosed img. > > I guess that Finder (and for that matter, Explorer on Vista) are get > the URL from the href of the img tag, rather than the surrounding > anchor tag and downloading the image accordingly. It's hard to know > if this should be marked as a bug or an enhancement. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 11:23:28 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:23:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Words Indexing strategies In-Reply-To: References: <3bbe202f1002081600ja10119dpc9e9471279b07250@mail.gmail.com> <3bbe202f1002111924l668bc13ah68f9d2cb849c4fb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266078208188-1554526.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Bernard, Bernard Devlin-2 wrote: > > [snip] > Am I right that given these search terms: baboon OR monkey AND fruit > and > index file b.tgz contains a line like this: baboon: 1,5,9 > index file m.tgz contains a line like this: monkey: 2,7,17 > index file f.tgz contains a line like this: fruit: 3,7,23 > you would want the result of your search to be: 7 i.e. the number of > the article that matches the boolean search? Unless I've > misunderstood, what you want to do is combine indexes in order to > satisfy boolean combinations of search terms. > Yes, this is correct. With larger sets of data, should be easier to convert these results in arrays and merge them, following the explanations provided by Ken Ray in his website: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/arry002.htm Now, you have made a valid point with the following commentary: Bernard Devlin-2 wrote: > > However, it looks to me like the existing indexes don't contain enough > information for you to calculate frequency of occurrence (a measure of > relevance). And depending on how these pre-existing indexes have been > constructed they may not have any stemming information in them. You > might be able to build some kind of rough stemming algorithm in Rev > (by doing rough pluralization like 'baboon*', but as Richard pointed > out more complex plurals like 'children' will be where the work > comes). > > Are you looking for an approximate solution? Or do you need greater > flexibility of scope and relevance scores, etc. ? > Starting this project, an approximate solution could be fine, and eventually, keep working to refine this search algorithm. After taking a close look at the 580,000 articles index (and 450,000 redirections index), i understand that employing effectively an stemming algorithm could save many megabytes. You are right about lack of information in current simple index format. Relevance should be a function of the number of times a word appear in an article. An index that could include this information would be: monkey:3827#12|15,1#4|3,2131#18|3,34#3|2,4567#2|2,3456#22|1 In this new example, compressed Datafile number 3827, article # 12, there are 15 instances of the word "Monkey"... Surely, there should be some better notation to handle this data, feel free to send your ideas and comments. Again, converting this data in an array, make easier to work with. Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Once again, MetaCard to the rescue! :) > > Raney included this little gem in MC's Examples stack, and using "repeat > for each" and arrays it's blazing fast, able to make a frequency table > for even large files in almost no time at all: > Yes, this works great! Many thanks for digging this handler. :-) Have a nice weekend! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Words-Indexing-strategies-tp1473753p1554526.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From katir at hindu.org Sat Feb 13 13:01:56 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:01:56 -1000 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <62E08EF1-FF36-4562-BEE2-3EE13A9F3BC5@gmail.com> References: <3EC4A3AE-39AA-48E2-A54B-DBEDB1C9E7A3@comcast.net> <52D137BF-7ACD-48DB-B80F-28BF983631EE@gmail.com> <62E08EF1-FF36-4562-BEE2-3EE13A9F3BC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B76E914.9050608@hindu.org> Jim: I'll give a shameless endorsement for Scott's product http://www.runrevplanet.com/downloads/rrpSpellCheck-Guide-Reference.pdf if you can afford it... price is very reasonable. he supports it too! I needed to trap the messages for when users add words, so I this neat app where the custom dictrionary is downloaded runtime by users around the world (on mac or Windows) when they add a word, it is posted to a cgi and added to a cue on the web server, periodically I can review this cue and add those worlds to the custom dictionary and then everytime users around the world boot up, they get a fresh updated custom dictionary. So, this kind of flexibility and cross platform is marvelous. Sivkatirswami >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Jim Beckmann >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How is the easiest way to incorporate spell checking into a >>>>> standalone on >>>>> different platforms? Are there spellcheck Rev stacks that have been >>>>> created >>>>> that can be placed in the script hierarchy? >>>> >>>> > From jimbeckmann at comcast.net Sat Feb 13 13:47:37 2010 From: jimbeckmann at comcast.net (Jim Beckmann) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:47:37 -0700 Subject: Spell check Message-ID: <2B6695D0-CF39-4D51-AB1D-DFA01EA48ED0@comcast.net> Thanks for the quick responses. From mikeythek at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 15:02:07 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:02:07 -0500 Subject: [OT] Google Buzz - Beware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002131202w5855ee00p2898de774d695dfa@mail.gmail.com> Personally I like Buzz and hope that I can deploy it shortly for my Apps users, but that's just me. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 00:57, Kay C Lan wrote: > I realise the horse has already bolted, but for those who haven't > turned Buzz off, another link: > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/12/google-buzz-privacy/ > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Kay C Lan > wrote: > > 2010/2/12 Bj?rnke von Gierke : > >> Uhm.. just so that no one is confused, adding yourself to the map does > _not_ reveal your email at google to anyone (tho 99% of the times it's of > course going to be @gmail.com). > >> > > > > For those Gmail users who had Buzz turn up and just accepted it: > > > > > http://en.kioskea.net/news/14946-google-buzz-tweaked-amid-privacy-complaints > > > > Better late than never I guess. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 13 15:12:12 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:12:12 -0800 Subject: File Associations? Message-ID: Hi List: Are there any pages/docs out there that deal with setting up file associations on Win/Mac? It's been years since I've built an app that reads/writes files and I've forgotten how to manage this stuff (my knowledge was probably out of date anyway). I found Ken Ray's dev page that talks about setting up Windows file associations (still trying to get my head around using environment variables), and been through the mail archives trying to locate info about Mac app signature codes, but I'm wondering if this stuff has been compiled somewhere that I don't know about. Thanks for any pointers. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Feb 13 15:27:04 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:27:04 +0100 Subject: File Associations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, It looks like you found all the information you need. I'm using the same for an installer, which I use for quite a few different projects. There are several intresting posts about this subject in the archives of this list. On of them can be found here http://qurl.tk/4x You probably have that info already, since it is Ken's. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Buy flowers for your Valentine and get the computer game TwistAWord for free. Visit http://www.twistaword.net or http://qurl.tk/4h Op 13 feb 2010, om 21:12 heeft Scott Rossi het volgende geschreven: > Hi List: > > Are there any pages/docs out there that deal with setting up file > associations on Win/Mac? > > It's been years since I've built an app that reads/writes files and > I've > forgotten how to manage this stuff (my knowledge was probably out of > date > anyway). I found Ken Ray's dev page that talks about setting up > Windows > file associations (still trying to get my head around using > environment > variables), and been through the mail archives trying to locate info > about > Mac app signature codes, but I'm wondering if this stuff has been > compiled > somewhere that I don't know about. > > Thanks for any pointers. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 13 16:15:50 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:15:50 -0800 Subject: File Associations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote: > There are several intresting posts about this subject in the archives > of this list. On of them can be found here http://qurl.tk/4x You > probably have that info already, since it is Ken's. Thanks Mark. The one (?) item I'm unclear on is the script example: on openStack put $0 into theAppPath put $1 into theDocToOpen answer "The doc to open is: " & theDocToOpen end openStack Wouldn't this execute only when the app is first launched? What message is sent to the app while the app is running? Or am I just not understanding the way this works? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 13 16:21:50 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:21:50 -0800 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: <668849.24121.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the responses regarding behaviors. I wound up moving several scripts around and I think I have most things working. There's still an odd behavior I've run into where functions/handlers that resided in the behavior of the stack refuse to get called. I assume that card-level behaviors should "fall through" to stack-level behaviors, but weirdly, I got script errors saying the handler/function couldn't be found. I tried a simple test stack and stack-level behaviors appear to work there, so I can't figure out what's going on. Anyway, I worked around the problem by placing the stack-level behaviors into a backscript. The reason for all the jumping through hoops here is password protection: I need to be able to dynamically add and remove groups from the main stack, and this can't happen if the stack is password protected. So I wanted to use behaviors to get around this restriction and dump them into a substack, which works for the most part. Thanks again to all. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Feb 13 16:30:01 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:30:01 +0100 Subject: File Associations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, That's right. You double-click a file in Windows and Windows starts another instance of the executable for that file. In that executable, you catch the relaunch message. If file $1 exists, don't return any value from the relaunch handler. The new instance will be terminated and the message is passed on to the already running instance. Note that the message is sent to the already running instance. The already running instance decides whether the new instance of the executable is to be terminated or not. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Buy flowers for your Valentine and get the computer game TwistAWord for free. Visit http://www.twistaword.net or http://qurl.tk/4h Op 13 feb 2010, om 22:15 heeft Scott Rossi het volgende geschreven: > Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> There are several intresting posts about this subject in the archives >> of this list. On of them can be found here http://qurl.tk/4x You >> probably have that info already, since it is Ken's. > > Thanks Mark. The one (?) item I'm unclear on is the script example: > > on openStack > put $0 into theAppPath > put $1 into theDocToOpen > answer "The doc to open is: " & theDocToOpen > end openStack > > Wouldn't this execute only when the app is first launched? What > message is > sent to the app while the app is running? Or am I just not > understanding > the way this works? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design From revolution at derbrill.de Sat Feb 13 17:23:43 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:23:43 +0100 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: <20100204004046.1AA4F288375@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100204004046.1AA4F288375@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <78C6F9DF-667E-4492-B1E1-429B90575CEF@derbrill.de> on mouseUp local tX,tY,tOutput if there is no grc "output" then create grc "output" set the style of it to "curve" end if repeat with i=-2*pi to 2*pi step 0.01 put round(item 1 of the loc of this cd+sin(PI+i/2)*200*(1-sin(abs(i)/2.0))*sin(abs(i))) into tX put round(item 2 of the loc of this cd+10*sqrt(20+200*(1-sin(abs(i)/2.0))*cos((i)))) into tY put tx,ty&cr after tOutput end repeat set the points of grc "output" to tOutput end mouseUp Love, Malte From sundown at pacifier.com Sat Feb 13 17:56:32 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:56:32 -0800 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: <78C6F9DF-667E-4492-B1E1-429B90575CEF@derbrill.de> References: <20100204004046.1AA4F288375@mail.runrev.com> <78C6F9DF-667E-4492-B1E1-429B90575CEF@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <5728DBDC-8B88-454D-A80A-DA39BDBEA246@pacifier.com> That is nice Malte, thanks. -=>JB<=- On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > on mouseUp > local tX,tY,tOutput > if there is no grc "output" then > create grc "output" > set the style of it to "curve" > end if > repeat with i=-2*pi to 2*pi step 0.01 > put round(item 1 of the loc of this cd+sin(PI+i/2)*200*(1-sin > (abs(i)/2.0))*sin(abs(i))) into tX > put round(item 2 of the loc of this cd+10*sqrt(20+200*(1-sin > (abs(i)/2.0))*cos((i)))) into tY > put tx,ty&cr after tOutput > end repeat > set the points of grc "output" to tOutput > end mouseUp > > Love, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 18:03:50 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:03:50 -0500 Subject: making a thumbnail from a snapshot Message-ID: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> I'm trying to make a thumbnail from a snapshot of an image from another substack. First I clone a group that contains a thumbnail image and a text field, then I reposition the new group, then I try to get a new thumbnail into the new group. Here's what I've tried (partial script): clone group "imgItem 1" set the name of it to newGpName -- newGpName is already constructed, it is "imgItem k" for some k -- now set location of new group set the top of group newGpName to 30 set the left of group newGpName to the left of group "imgItem 1" -- store the new rect of the thumbnail, then delete it put the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName into thumbRect delete img "mThumb" of group newGpName -- import new image into cloned group (last group) start editing group newGpName import snapshot from image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" -- rename image set the name of last image to "mThumb" stop editing background newGpName -- resize image to thumbnail size and location set the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName to thumbRect What I get is not a properly sized thumbnail -- I get an image that looks the size of the whole new (cloned) group, and it's not a miniature of the big image, it's a crop of the big image. I can't remember how to miniaturize an imported snapshot down to thumbnail size. I know this has been discussed before but can't find it in the gmane archives. Any help appreciated. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 13 18:34:43 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:34:43 -0600 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: <78C6F9DF-667E-4492-B1E1-429B90575CEF@derbrill.de> References: <20100204004046.1AA4F288375@mail.runrev.com> <78C6F9DF-667E-4492-B1E1-429B90575CEF@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <4B773713.2080207@hyperactivesw.com> Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > on mouseUp > local tX,tY,tOutput > if there is no grc "output" then > create grc "output" > set the style of it to "curve" > end if > repeat with i=-2*pi to 2*pi step 0.01 > put round(item 1 of the loc of this cd+sin(PI+i/2)*200*(1-sin(abs(i)/2.0))*sin(abs(i))) into tX > put round(item 2 of the loc of this cd+10*sqrt(20+200*(1-sin(abs(i)/2.0))*cos((i)))) into tY > put tx,ty&cr after tOutput > end repeat > set the points of grc "output" to tOutput > end mouseUp How do you DO that? I can hardly add. Lovely, Malte. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From katir at hindu.org Sat Feb 13 20:27:10 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:27:10 -1000 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B77516E.5050307@hindu.org> Scott Rossi wrote: > I assume that card-level behaviors > should "fall through" to stack-level behaviors, but weirdly, I got script > errors saying the handler/function couldn't be found. I tried a simple test > stack and stack-level behaviors appear to work there, so I can't figure out > what's going on. I just getting into behaviors also, I'm curious to better understand what you are doing and what works and what does not. I thought a behavior was placed in an object (typically a button, right?) and then you set the behavior of whatever other object (the stack in your case?) to the long ID of the object that has the behavior (the aforementioned button) Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "card-level behaviors falling thru to stack-level behaviors" but from one point of view it makes sense that the behavior cannot be found, because the button that contains the behavior is not really in the message path as we normally understand the message path. In fact, I could have sworn that the nature of behaviors not being in the message path was part of their "charm" so to speak... i.e. you would deliberaty keep certain handlers segregated from the msg path by having them be behaviors. Of course, I really don't know what I'm talking about so take all of the above with a grain of salt. Sivakatirswami From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 14 02:54:41 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:54:41 -0800 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: <78C6F9DF-667E-4492-B1E1-429B90575CEF@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Nice Malte. Here's a solution that is nowhere near as elegant as Malte's code, but the result is perhaps a bit more "tactile" :-) on mouseUp buildV buildO -1 buildO 1 runAnim end mouseUp command buildO M put "style,opaque,linesize,backcolor," & \ "width,height,antialiased" into V1 put "oval,true,0,red,120,120,true" into V2 put 1 into N repeat for each item P in V1 set the P of the templateGraphic to item N of V2;add 1 to N end repeat put loc of this cd into tLoc add (M*46) to item 1 of tLoc if M = -1 then add 1 to item 1 of tLoc add -68 to item 2 of tLoc set loc of the templateGraphic to tLoc create grc set fillGradient of last grc to gfx(long id of last grc) reset the templateGraphic end buildO command buildV put "style,opaque,linesize,backcolor,width,height," & \ "antialiased,polysides,angle" into V1 put "regular,true,0,red,231,160,true,3,90" into V2 put 1 into N repeat for each item P in V1 set the P of the templateGraphic to item N of V2;add 1 to N end repeat set loc of the templateGraphic to loc of this cd create grc set dropshadow of last grc to sfx() reset the templateGraphic end buildV function gfx pObj put "type,from,via,to,quality,repeat,wrap,mirror" into V1 put "radial"&cr&"0,0"&cr&"0,0"&cr&"0,0"&cr&"good" & \ cr&1&cr&"false"&cr&"false" into V2 put 1 into N repeat for each item P in V1 put line N of V2 into A[P];add 1 to N end repeat put -37 into M put rect of pObj into R put loc of pObj into L put item 1 of L,item 2 of L + M into A["from"] put item 3 of R,item 2 of L + M into A["via"] put item 1 of L,item 4 of R + M into A["to"] put 0,255,190,190&cr&1,255,0,0 into A["ramp"] return A end gfx function sfx put "opacity,blendmode,size,distance,filter," & \ "knockout,spread,angle" into V1 put "255,normal,20,10,gaussian,true,0,90" into V2 put 1 into N repeat for each item P in V1 put item N of V2 into A[P];add 1 to N end repeat put "0,0,0" into A["color"] return A end sfx on runAnim put number of grcs into gNum repeat with N = 0 to 1 set width of grc (gNum - N) to width of grc (gNum - N) + 10 set height of grc (gNum - N) to height of grc (gNum - N) + 10 end repeat set bottom of grc (gNum - 2) to bottom of grc (gNum - 2) + 8 wait 300 millisecs with messages repeat with N = 0 to 1 set width of grc (gNum - N) to width of grc (gNum - N) - 10 set height of grc (gNum - N) to height of grc (gNum - N) - 10 end repeat set bottom of grc (gNum - 2) to bottom of grc (gNum - 2) - 8 send "runAnim" to me in 750 millisecs end runAnim Happy V-Day, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From revolution at derbrill.de Sun Feb 14 05:01:22 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:01:22 +0100 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: <20100204180005.08B662880B0@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100204180005.08B662880B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <73D7F544-C1AD-4133-A247-623734F83378@derbrill.de> Awesome Scott! Jaque: Please don't think I could explain that math JB: Thank you! Cheers, Malte From jim at visitrieve.com Sun Feb 14 07:15:50 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:15:50 -1000 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: <73D7F544-C1AD-4133-A247-623734F83378@derbrill.de> References: <20100204180005.08B662880B0@mail.runrev.com> <73D7F544-C1AD-4133-A247-623734F83378@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <00e101caad6f$72fdef20$58f9cd60$@com> Yours is math. Scott's is two balls and a triangle. Both of you guys are equally amazing! I "love" it! Happy Valentine's Day. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Malte wrote: > Awesome Scott! > > Jaque: Please don't think I could explain that math > > JB: Thank you! > > Cheers, > > Malte From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sun Feb 14 07:30:17 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:30:17 +0100 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <247B6770-B7C7-4833-8AD9-FFD5F5DABBED@major.on-rev.com> Hi Scott, Am 14.02.2010 um 08:54 schrieb Scott Rossi: > Nice Malte. > > Here's a solution that is nowhere near as elegant as Malte's code, but the > result is perhaps a bit more "tactile" :-) Yep, a bit more "tactile" indeed! Oh my god! I was so happy that I could calculate the "max scroll" of a loc-locked group yesterday, but this is different galaxy to me :-D Incredible and beautiful, thank you Scott! Best from germany Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 09:56:50 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:56:50 -0600 Subject: revXML... issue Message-ID: <03F82FD8-907D-400B-A0B9-76624FDDFF3E@gmail.com> So, after days of trying to figure what my unicode bugs were, I've finally figured out the problem: revXML (which I'm assuming is using Expat or similar library) is attempting to translate encoded characters during tree parsing as opposed to letting the application handle it later on. For example: This is Џ a test The above tree - upon being parsed - will convert Џ into 2 bytes instead of leaving it encoded. The result is a blob of text that's composed of both single-byte characters and double-byte characters. This is no good. So, is there a way to get the XML parser in Rev to not touch the data in the tags and let me do it? Or better yet, how about making revXML adhere to the useUnicode global, so either all the returned data is single-byte or it's all double-byte? Jeff M. From bvg at mac.com Sun Feb 14 10:12:50 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:12:50 +0100 Subject: revXML... issue In-Reply-To: <03F82FD8-907D-400B-A0B9-76624FDDFF3E@gmail.com> References: <03F82FD8-907D-400B-A0B9-76624FDDFF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26686183-09E7-406D-85AA-E2EFBA7C6ED1@mac.com> theoretically that's utf8. did you try to do a conversion on the data returned by the xml external? return unidecode(uniencode(theText,"utf8")) On 14 Feb 2010, at 15:56, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > So, after days of trying to figure what my unicode bugs were, I've finally figured out the problem: revXML (which I'm assuming is using Expat or similar library) is attempting to translate encoded characters during tree parsing as opposed to letting the application handle it later on. > > For example: > > > This is Џ a test > > The above tree - upon being parsed - will convert Џ into 2 bytes instead of leaving it encoded. The result is a blob of text that's composed of both single-byte characters and double-byte characters. This is no good. > > So, is there a way to get the XML parser in Rev to not touch the data in the tags and let me do it? Or better yet, how about making revXML adhere to the useUnicode global, so either all the returned data is single-byte or it's all double-byte? > > Jeff M. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 10:17:24 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:17:24 -0500 Subject: revXML... issue In-Reply-To: <03F82FD8-907D-400B-A0B9-76624FDDFF3E@gmail.com> References: <03F82FD8-907D-400B-A0B9-76624FDDFF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F868197-BE40-4007-A1B2-363EBC93A8F5@verizon.net> I haven't used xml in Rev, can you show enough lines of code to show the problem? I have an idea of a fix, but would like to try it out. Normally I would just figure it out in the help, but the help doesn't have the word "parse" in there at all, making it hard for me to see how XML parse works. Maybe one day Rev could have E4X. You have no idea how easy life becomes then! From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun Feb 14 10:56:12 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:56:12 +0100 Subject: Feb 14th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7813F4A9-F5DA-4094-9445-F516657E8C65@numericable.com> Boum ! J'ai le c?ur qui fait boum ! Le 14 f?vr. 2010 ? 08:54, Scott Rossi a ?crit : > Nice Malte. > > Here's a solution that is nowhere near as elegant as Malte's code, but the > result is perhaps a bit more "tactile" :-) > > on mouseUp > buildV > buildO -1 > buildO 1 > runAnim > end mouseUp > > command buildO M > put "style,opaque,linesize,backcolor," & \ > "width,height,antialiased" into V1 > put "oval,true,0,red,120,120,true" into V2 > put 1 into N > repeat for each item P in V1 > set the P of the templateGraphic to item N of V2;add 1 to N > end repeat > put loc of this cd into tLoc > add (M*46) to item 1 of tLoc > if M = -1 then add 1 to item 1 of tLoc > add -68 to item 2 of tLoc > set loc of the templateGraphic to tLoc > create grc > set fillGradient of last grc to gfx(long id of last grc) > reset the templateGraphic > end buildO > > command buildV > put "style,opaque,linesize,backcolor,width,height," & \ > "antialiased,polysides,angle" into V1 > put "regular,true,0,red,231,160,true,3,90" into V2 > put 1 into N > repeat for each item P in V1 > set the P of the templateGraphic to item N of V2;add 1 to N > end repeat > set loc of the templateGraphic to loc of this cd > create grc > set dropshadow of last grc to sfx() > reset the templateGraphic > end buildV > > function gfx pObj > put "type,from,via,to,quality,repeat,wrap,mirror" into V1 > put "radial"&cr&"0,0"&cr&"0,0"&cr&"0,0"&cr&"good" & \ > cr&1&cr&"false"&cr&"false" into V2 > put 1 into N > repeat for each item P in V1 > put line N of V2 into A[P];add 1 to N > end repeat > put -37 into M > put rect of pObj into R > put loc of pObj into L > put item 1 of L,item 2 of L + M into A["from"] > put item 3 of R,item 2 of L + M into A["via"] > put item 1 of L,item 4 of R + M into A["to"] > put 0,255,190,190&cr&1,255,0,0 into A["ramp"] > return A > end gfx > > function sfx > put "opacity,blendmode,size,distance,filter," & \ > "knockout,spread,angle" into V1 > put "255,normal,20,10,gaussian,true,0,90" into V2 > put 1 into N > repeat for each item P in V1 > put item N of V2 into A[P];add 1 to N > end repeat > put "0,0,0" into A["color"] > return A > end sfx > > on runAnim > put number of grcs into gNum > repeat with N = 0 to 1 > set width of grc (gNum - N) to width of grc (gNum - N) + 10 > set height of grc (gNum - N) to height of grc (gNum - N) + 10 > end repeat > set bottom of grc (gNum - 2) to bottom of grc (gNum - 2) + 8 > wait 300 millisecs with messages > repeat with N = 0 to 1 > set width of grc (gNum - N) to width of grc (gNum - N) - 10 > set height of grc (gNum - N) to height of grc (gNum - N) - 10 > end repeat > set bottom of grc (gNum - 2) to bottom of grc (gNum - 2) - 8 > send "runAnim" to me in 750 millisecs > end runAnim > > > > Happy V-Day, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Feb 14 13:10:10 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:10:10 -0600 Subject: revXML... issue In-Reply-To: <03F82FD8-907D-400B-A0B9-76624FDDFF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: > For example: > > > This is Џ a test > > The above tree - upon being parsed - will convert Џ into 2 bytes instead > of leaving it encoded. The result is a blob of text that's composed of both > single-byte characters and double-byte characters. This is no good. > > So, is there a way to get the XML parser in Rev to not touch the data in the > tags and let me do it? Or better yet, how about making revXML adhere to the > useUnicode global, so either all the returned data is single-byte or it's all > double-byte? Another alternative would be to use my XML Library - it's all Rev code and it doesn't mess with your data. It's great for small-to-medium sized XML docs (if it's big it can really slow down though). If you're interested, take a look: http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From david.bovill at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 13:13:46 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:13:46 +0000 Subject: making a thumbnail from a snapshot In-Reply-To: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> References: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just from memory - you need to set the rect of the image to the nuew thumbnail size and let rev do the scaling for you... then you can get the imagedata which returns the scaled image data and set the imagedata (ie set the imagedata of image "thumbnai"l to the imagedata of image "thumbnail") But looking at your script - I don;t think you need to do any of that - you just need to: put image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" into img "mThumb" of group newGpName of stack "..... and make sure the thumbnail image has its location locked. Then you can: set the imagedata of image "thumbnail" to the imagedata of image "thumbnail" if you want to scale down the new image size. On 13 February 2010 23:03, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > I'm trying to make a thumbnail from a snapshot of an image from another > substack. First I clone a group that contains a thumbnail image and a text > field, then I reposition the new group, then I try to get a new thumbnail > into the new group. Here's what I've tried (partial script): > > clone group "imgItem 1" > set the name of it to newGpName > -- newGpName is already constructed, it is "imgItem k" for some k > -- now set location of new group > set the top of group newGpName to 30 > set the left of group newGpName to the left of group "imgItem 1" > -- store the new rect of the thumbnail, then delete it > put the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName into thumbRect > delete img "mThumb" of group newGpName > -- import new image into cloned group (last group) > start editing group newGpName > import snapshot from image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" > -- rename image > set the name of last image to "mThumb" > stop editing background newGpName > -- resize image to thumbnail size and location > set the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName to thumbRect > > What I get is not a properly sized thumbnail -- I get an image that looks > the size of the whole new (cloned) group, and it's not a miniature of the > big image, it's a crop of the big image. I can't remember how to miniaturize > an imported snapshot down to thumbnail size. I know this has been discussed > before but can't find it in the gmane archives. Any help appreciated. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Feb 14 13:18:59 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:18:59 -0600 Subject: making a thumbnail from a snapshot In-Reply-To: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: > What I get is not a properly sized thumbnail -- I get an image that > looks the size of the whole new (cloned) group, and it's not a > miniature of the big image, it's a crop of the big image. I can't > remember how to miniaturize an imported snapshot down to thumbnail > size. I know this has been discussed before but can't find it in the > gmane archives. Any help appreciated. Here's a simple example of taking an existing image and making a 1/4 sized thumbnail: export snapshot from img 1 to tPictData as PNG create image put it into tImg set the text of tImg to tPictData set the width of tImg to (the width of tImg/4) set the height of tImg to (the height of tImg/4) set the lockLoc of tImg to true set the imageData of tImg to the imageData of tImg Hope this puts you on the right track... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From josh at dvcreators.net Sun Feb 14 14:52:38 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:52:38 -0800 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > The reason for all the jumping through hoops here is password protection: I > need to be able to dynamically add and remove groups from the main stack, > and this can't happen if the stack is password protected. Doesn't setting the passkey of the stack allow you to add, delete, copy groups, etc.? From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Feb 14 16:09:30 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:09:30 +0100 Subject: making a thumbnail from a snapshot In-Reply-To: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> References: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <628FD1A1-1159-4E26-8F9C-3C7987D76B03@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Peter. I use this function to create thumbnails: function rescale theImgWidth,theImgHeight,theCdWidth,theCdHeight -- determine longest side and rescale if theCdWidth/theImgWidth < theCdHeight/theImgHeight then put theCdWidth / theImgWidth into myRatio else put theCdHeight / theImgHeight into myRatio end if put theImgWidth * myRatio into myNewWidth put theImgHeight * myRatio into myNewHeight return myNewWidth,myNewHeight end rescale Usually, I have a background object, e.g. a rectangular graphic, in which I want to fit a picture. I'd do this as follows. lock screen clone picture "Original" set the name of it to "Thumb" put rescale(the width of img "Thumb",the height of img "Thumb",the width of grc "Back",the height of grc "Back") into myNewDimensions set the width of img "Thumb" to item 1 of myNewDimensions set the height of img "Thumb" to item 2 of myNewDimensions set the loc of img "Thumb" to the loc of grc "Back" unlock screen -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 14 feb 2010, om 00:03 heeft Peter Brigham MD het volgende geschreven: > I'm trying to make a thumbnail from a snapshot of an image from > another substack. First I clone a group that contains a thumbnail > image and a text field, then I reposition the new group, then I try > to get a new thumbnail into the new group. Here's what I've tried > (partial script): > > clone group "imgItem 1" > set the name of it to newGpName > -- newGpName is already constructed, it is "imgItem k" for some k > -- now set location of new group > set the top of group newGpName to 30 > set the left of group newGpName to the left of group "imgItem 1" > -- store the new rect of the thumbnail, then delete it > put the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName into thumbRect > delete img "mThumb" of group newGpName > -- import new image into cloned group (last group) > start editing group newGpName > import snapshot from image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" > -- rename image > set the name of last image to "mThumb" > stop editing background newGpName > -- resize image to thumbnail size and location > set the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName to thumbRect > > What I get is not a properly sized thumbnail -- I get an image that > looks the size of the whole new (cloned) group, and it's not a > miniature of the big image, it's a crop of the big image. I can't > remember how to miniaturize an imported snapshot down to thumbnail > size. I know this has been discussed before but can't find it in the > gmane archives. Any help appreciated. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > From harrison at all-auctions.com Sun Feb 14 16:24:54 2010 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:24:54 -0500 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> References: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <8DC21497-848E-4689-A263-1763C0E4DCD8@all-auctions.com> Hi there, I've been all through the archives, and found some hints that it is possible to connect to a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. Doe anyone have a clear step by step example of how this is done? I don't have time to keep struggling with this problem. I need a solution A.S.A.P. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Rick From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sun Feb 14 16:58:25 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:58:25 +0000 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database Message-ID: <000007D1.4B788010@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Rick, first of all you have to enable Remote Access for your database. You can do that in cPanel ->Databases->RemoteDatabase Access Hosts. If the computer, which runs the stack, does not have a static internet ip, then you have to enter %.%.%.% as ip-adress in Access Hosts. At http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev you find a code example how to access an MySQL database. It is an irev example, but the sections #Open the database connection #Construct the SQL Statement #Close the database connection can also be used in an stack. Hth, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database (14-Feb-2010 22:29) From: Rick Harrison To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Hi there, > > I've been all through the archives, and found > some hints that it is possible to connect to > a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. > > Doe anyone have a clear step by step > example of how this is done? > > I don't have time to keep struggling with this > problem. I need a solution A.S.A.P. > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 17:38:51 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:38:51 +1000 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <8DC21497-848E-4689-A263-1763C0E4DCD8@all-auctions.com> References: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> <8DC21497-848E-4689-A263-1763C0E4DCD8@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: > I've been all through the archives, and found > some hints that it is possible to connect to > a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. > > Doe anyone have a clear step by step > example of how this is done? One way of doing it is to have an irev file actually do the connecting and querying of the database, and POST the query data to the page. Cheers, Sarah From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 14 18:55:59 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:55:59 -0800 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: <4B77516E.5050307@hindu.org> Message-ID: Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "card-level behaviors falling thru to > stack-level behaviors" but from one point of view it makes sense that > the behavior cannot be found, because the button that contains the > behavior is not really in the message path as we normally understand the > message path. In fact, I could have sworn that the nature of behaviors > not being in the message path was part of their "charm" so to speak... > i.e. you would deliberaty keep certain handlers segregated from the msg > path by having them be behaviors. The following works on my end and appears to operate counter to what you say. - Create new stack "maintest". - Create substack of maintest named "subtest". - Create a button in stack subtest named "b1". Script: on mouseUp answer theMsg() end mouseUp - Create another button in stack subtest named "b2". Script: function theMsg return "abc 123" end theMsg - Go back to stack maintest. Set the behavior of the current card to long id of btn b1; set the behavior of stack maintest itself to long id of btn b2. Click the card in the main stack. You should see the "abc 123" message above. Note the script will fail if you remove the behavior assigned to the main stack or the card in the main stack. If behaviors are indeed essentially object-level backscripts, then I think it makes sense that object-level behaviors "fall through" to card/stack-level behaviors -- this is consistent with card/stack scripts handling any messages that go unhandled by objects. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 14 18:56:43 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:56:43 -0800 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Recently, Josh Mellicker wrote: > On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> The reason for all the jumping through hoops here is password protection: I >> need to be able to dynamically add and remove groups from the main stack, >> and this can't happen if the stack is password protected. > > Doesn't setting the passkey of the stack allow you to add, delete, copy > groups, etc.? One of the main benefits of behaviors, from the docs: "The button containing the behavior script can be located anywhere. In particular this allows for it be located in a password protected stack, allowing you to protect the script without need to protect the controls using it." It would seem using behaviors is more secure than temporarily removing security from a stack. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Feb 15 03:47:32 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:47:32 -0600 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available Message-ID: After a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time, I finally was able to update StackRunner to use the 4.0 engine. It includes the Data Grid library by default, and the StackRunner app now sports a new icon! :-) For those of you who came to Rev after the last version of SR came out (over 1.5 years ago!) and don't know what it is, StackRunner is a simple way to deploy your Rev stacks without having to build standalones; it's a Player app that will run your stacks simply and easily and without any interface to get in your way! To find out more, see the download page at: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 04:00:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:00:29 +0200 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B790D2D.8020309@gmail.com> On 15/02/2010 10:47, Ken Ray wrote: > After a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time, I finally was able to update StackRunner > to use the 4.0 engine. It includes the Data Grid library by default, and the > StackRunner app now sports a new icon! :-) > > For those of you who came to Rev after the last version of SR came out (over > 1.5 years ago!) and don't know what it is, StackRunner is a simple way to > deploy your Rev stacks without having to build standalones; it's a Player > app that will run your stacks simply and easily and without any interface to > get in your way! > > To find out more, see the download page at: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm > > Enjoy! > > K > Lovely job! and a lovely new icon too. From toolbook at kestner.de Mon Feb 15 05:36:39 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:36:39 +0100 Subject: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <006601caaa3f$eb16c500$c1444f00$@com> Message-ID: <0D0030A04C244801B62CA95CC88ECA58@Kestner.local> Hi Jim, now I got the answers of my customer, see below. Thanks for further ideas, isn't solved yet Tiemo > > 1. When he boots the machine does it go to a login screen or does Windows > just come up? Yes he has a single user on this machine with password protection > > 2. Does he have any third-party firewall installed (like Norton, McAfee, > AVG, etc.) or is he just using the default Windows firewall? Yes McAfee. But he insists, that my App has no blocking entry in the MyAfee list. (Next step he wants to deinstall McAfee) > > 3. Is your app set to auto-launch on boot/login? Noop, one is start from Cd, one from Desktop > > 4. Where is this "shield?" Is it on the desktop or does it appear in the > System Tray when your app is launched? My App doesn't appear either in the task bar, nor in task manger, but the sandglass is running for a short period, before nothing happens As he now tells me, my Apps don't have a shield icon, hmmm > > 5. What are the options if he right-clicks on the shield? > > You might get him to install something like the free Microsoft SharedView > on > his system, so you can take it over and see for yourself what is going on. > But, it is now sounding like not a Rev issue but a permissions/firewall > issue and your app is either blacklisted or requires admin privileges to > run. Will be my next step, though my experience with such system issues and McAfee isn't very deep, thats why I hesitated yet. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvg at mac.com Mon Feb 15 07:51:11 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:51:11 +0100 Subject: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: <0D0030A04C244801B62CA95CC88ECA58@Kestner.local> References: <0D0030A04C244801B62CA95CC88ECA58@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On Windows 7 there's three build-in things that might prohibit your app from running (that I know about): Windows 7 expects application to be certified, and depending on domain and security settings, might disallow an app from running if it isn't (note that _all_ 64 bit apps need to be certified, but rev is 32 bit). If that happens, there might be a dialog saying that the administrator has denied running the app, or disallowed the installation to run (in case of a .msi). The UAC might interfere. UAC limits the things an application can do, including writing to non-user folders (application folders, c:, etc.), accessing or changing the registry, network or serial port access and certain hardware interfaces (like cd drives). Not all UAC settings result in all these things to be blocked, but any number of them _might_ be disallowed. Sometimes the screen goes dark and a dialog comes up to ask the user about giving administration privileges to the app. Again some settings might lead to a silent blocking of your app. Finally, there's possibly a problem with legacy support. Since windows XP, every windows iteration has removed more legacy support, and instead relegated those to settings that have to be set by the user. This is to dissuade new apps from using legacy API's. If this is the problem, a silent fail is _always_ happening. There are several third party applications that can and will make your app not work: - Antivirus applications will block shell and VB access. - Firewalls will block applications that use the system sockets - Anti-copy protection can block various things, and are often included silently with games and specialised small market apps (like medical apps or CAD software). - Malicious software like trojans, worms and viruses often block apps that look like antivirus installers So what can one do to test what actually is the problem? If your rev app does a lot of things on startup or (pre)openstack/card/etc, then you might want to try running a blank stack application, or a test with those handlers only being called on button presses (to see which doesn't run). That way you get an idea wether it's a specific thing within your app makes it fail. Make sure that your app does not try to write or change files on the disk when it starts. Since Vista, Windows is very picky about where you're allowed to write files, and trying to write anywhere besides the user folders can result in some strange things. Problems include the file not being written (silent fail), your app crashing, or the file being written but not readable (because it's "virtualised" and actually somewhere else in the filesystem). Try to run your app as administrator: right click the app, choose "information", and select the "run as administrator" checkmark there. (a little shield will be shown on the icon of the app now). An UAC dialog should come up when you start the app (say yes or it won't run). Try if your app needs legacy mode: In the same place where you set an app to run in administration mode, you can select various legacy settings (about 20). You need to choose one, then try to start the app. I suggest to test at least win95, win98, win2000 and XPsp2. Disable internet, then disable all third party firewall, antispyware and antivirus software. If your app runs now, you might need to add it to a whitelist in one of your security softwares. If you do not have antivirus software, install one and make a complete system check (might take hours). I'm sure there's more to check, but these are the windows specific gotchas that I know about. Why do I know them? Because I like old games, and getting win95 games to run on win7-64bit tells you a lot about how Microsoft exchanged backwards compatibility with security. Even older games do not run in legacy mode, so it's DOS-Box for those (not applicable to Rev). Funny side note: because the 32 bit app-folder has "(32-bit)" appended to it's name, legacy apps with hard coded paths only work when moved to the 64 bit app folder, because that one has the same name as on older versions. Obviously 64 bit comments do not apply to 32 bit versions of windows. have fun Bj?rnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From toolbook at kestner.de Mon Feb 15 08:59:02 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:59:02 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bj?rnke, (who doesn't live in north Italy) Thank you for your comprehensive explanations, they are really helpful. I will go on with your list in my checks OT: I always hesitated and feared about the hassle with applying for a certificate at MS, because I could never find out, what happens with my Updates / updates of the Rev engine. - Do you know, if you need for every update of your app a new certificate or is this a one time only procedure? - And is this certification worth at all the full procedure against letting raise the user the priviliges to admin after request? - Actually only my setup needs such a certificate and not my App, because only when starting my setup the user is asked for the priviliges by the UAC and never when starting my App. Is this correct? Tiemo From bvg at mac.com Mon Feb 15 09:13:22 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:13:22 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7264B859-3B37-4264-9B87-20A84ADE298E@mac.com> Generally I do not know anything about the certificates, at all. I'm sure some commercial developers can chime in and explain how they apply to a rev apps. As for UAC, it comes into play whenever you do anything that's not allowed by UAC. ;) Basically, if you're not allowed to do it as a unix user that is _not_ an admin, you can't do it without triggering UAC. One thing that comes to mind is saving stacks next to the application into the "program files" folder. This will either work, be "virtualised" (as described in previous mail), or trigger an UAC yes/no dialog, wholly depended upon the local security settings. In addition, the security settings might be customised to disallow further things (ie. a company might disallow any access to usb memory sticks in it's domain), and there might be some windows specific things that are not allowed (like changing the registry, not sure about this one). yeah... security instead of compatibility :( Bj?rnke On 15 Feb 2010, at 14:59, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Bj?rnke, (who doesn't live in north Italy) > > Thank you for your comprehensive explanations, they are really helpful. I > will go on with your list in my checks > > OT: > I always hesitated and feared about the hassle with applying for a > certificate at MS, because I could never find out, what happens with my > Updates / updates of the Rev engine. > - Do you know, if you need for every update of your app a new certificate or > is this a one time only procedure? > - And is this certification worth at all the full procedure against letting > raise the user the priviliges to admin after request? > - Actually only my setup needs such a certificate and not my App, because > only when starting my setup the user is asked for the priviliges by the UAC > and never when starting my App. Is this correct? > > Tiemo > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Mon Feb 15 09:17:27 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:17:27 +0100 Subject: OT: Experiences with MS certification? Message-ID: <1FCE90177EEF4A96BBC84C2A5C62B7C1@Kestner.local> Hello, I always hesitated and feared about the hassle with applying for a certificate at MS, because I could never find out, what happens with my Updates / updates of the Rev engine in new versions of my App. - Do you know, if you need for every update of your app a new certificate or is this a one time only procedure? - And is this certification worth at all the full procedure against letting raise the user the priviliges to admin after request? - Actually only my setup needs such a certificate and not my App, because only when starting my setup the user is asked for the priviliges by the UAC and never when starting my App. Is this correct? Thanks for any experiences Tiemo From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 09:59:40 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:59:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1266245980537-1556201.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Ken, Many thanks for releasing this new version of StackRunner. :-) Now, i could test the engine 4.0 in different Linux distributions without installing RevMedia. Keep up this useful application! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-StackRunner-2-0-Now-Available-tp1555882p1556201.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 15 11:34:08 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:34:08 -0800 Subject: [OT] Google Buzz - Beware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D53735C-4EAF-47D9-B87E-41AC0E3C4132@twft.com> Leo LaPorte also had a segment in his radio program about Buzz. He mentioned that Google changed Buzz from opt-out to opt-in within 2 days of it's release because there were so many complaints. Fore those who don't know what the problem is, Buzz makes your google address book public, or so I've been told. It's fine to make your own address public, but to publish everyone else's is a huge brain fart on the part of Google. Bob On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > 2010/2/12 Bj?rnke von Gierke : >> Uhm.. just so that no one is confused, adding yourself to the map does _not_ reveal your email at google to anyone (tho 99% of the times it's of course going to be @gmail.com). >> > > For those Gmail users who had Buzz turn up and just accepted it: > > http://en.kioskea.net/news/14946-google-buzz-tweaked-amid-privacy-complaints > > Better late than never I guess. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikeythek at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 11:37:45 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [OT] Google Buzz - Beware In-Reply-To: <4D53735C-4EAF-47D9-B87E-41AC0E3C4132@twft.com> References: <4D53735C-4EAF-47D9-B87E-41AC0E3C4132@twft.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002150837v68beaae4w7ace136c2076b76b@mail.gmail.com> It doesn't really make it public per se (now I'm sounding like an apologist but) - it does things similar to fb, linkedIn, etc. in terms of network expansion. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:34, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Leo LaPorte also had a segment in his radio program about Buzz. He > mentioned that Google changed Buzz from opt-out to opt-in within 2 days of > it's release because there were so many complaints. Fore those who don't > know what the problem is, Buzz makes your google address book public, or so > I've been told. It's fine to make your own address public, but to publish > everyone else's is a huge brain fart on the part of Google. > > Bob > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > > > 2010/2/12 Bj?rnke von Gierke : > >> Uhm.. just so that no one is confused, adding yourself to the map does > _not_ reveal your email at google to anyone (tho 99% of the times it's of > course going to be @gmail.com). > >> > > > > For those Gmail users who had Buzz turn up and just accepted it: > > > > > http://en.kioskea.net/news/14946-google-buzz-tweaked-amid-privacy-complaints > > > > Better late than never I guess. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 11:50:49 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:50:49 -0600 Subject: [OT] Google Buzz - Beware In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002150837v68beaae4w7ace136c2076b76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4D53735C-4EAF-47D9-B87E-41AC0E3C4132@twft.com> <9b408d8e1002150837v68beaae4w7ace136c2076b76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think right now it's just a matter of expectations (at least in the US). People expect their emails to be private; they don't expect their Facebook page, Twitter feed, or other forms of "social media" to be private. Note: I'm not suggesting that my actual email text is public through Buzz, just that email paradigm as a whole has a stigma of "private" around it. That perception/expectation may change in coming years with the current generation of teens, though. On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Mikey wrote: > It doesn't really make it public per se (now I'm sounding like an apologist > but) - it does things similar to fb, linkedIn, etc. in terms of network > expansion. > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:34, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Leo LaPorte also had a segment in his radio program about Buzz. He >> mentioned that Google changed Buzz from opt-out to opt-in within 2 days of >> it's release because there were so many complaints. Fore those who don't >> know what the problem is, Buzz makes your google address book public, or so >> I've been told. It's fine to make your own address public, but to publish >> everyone else's is a huge brain fart on the part of Google. From harrison at all-auctions.com Mon Feb 15 12:19:15 2010 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:19:15 -0500 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <000007D1.4B788010@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000007D1.4B788010@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Hi Matthias, I've already seen http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev which only shows how to open a local MySQL database not a remote one. I am specifically looking for code examples, not the basics. The information you provided about %.%.%.% as an ip-address was helpful, and I thank you for that! Rick On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:58 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Rick, > > first of all you have to enable Remote Access for your database. You can do that in cPanel ->Databases->RemoteDatabase Access Hosts. If the computer, which runs the stack, does not have a static internet ip, then you have to enter %.%.%.% as ip-adress in Access Hosts. > > At http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev you find a code example how to access an MySQL database. It is an irev example, but the sections > > #Open the database connection > #Construct the SQL Statement > #Close the database connection > can also be used in an stack. > > Hth, > > Matthias > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database (14-Feb-2010 22:29) > From: Rick Harrison > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > >> Hi there, >> >> I've been all through the archives, and found >> some hints that it is possible to connect to >> a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. >> >> Doe anyone have a clear step by step >> example of how this is done? >> >> I don't have time to keep struggling with this >> problem. I need a solution A.S.A.P. >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> >> >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution __________________________________ Rick Harrison You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the iTunes Store Now! To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 09:20:03 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:20:03 -0500 Subject: making a thumbnail from a snapshot In-Reply-To: References: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E6BC6C8-3555-4C03-9F95-0F068460A558@gmail.com> David & Ken -- Thanks for your assistance. It was failing to lock the size/loc of the new image that was tripping me up. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:13 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Just from memory - you need to set the rect of the image to the nuew > thumbnail size and let rev do the scaling for you... then you can > get the > imagedata which returns the scaled image data and set the imagedata > (ie set > the imagedata of image "thumbnai"l to the imagedata of image > "thumbnail") > > But looking at your script - I don;t think you need to do any of > that - you > just need to: > > put image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" into img "mThumb" of group > newGpName of stack "..... > > and make sure the thumbnail image has its location locked. Then you > can: > > set the imagedata of image "thumbnail" to the imagedata of image > "thumbnail" > > if you want to scale down the new image size. > > On 13 February 2010 23:03, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> I'm trying to make a thumbnail from a snapshot of an image from >> another >> substack. First I clone a group that contains a thumbnail image and >> a text >> field, then I reposition the new group, then I try to get a new >> thumbnail >> into the new group. Here's what I've tried (partial script): >> >> clone group "imgItem 1" >> set the name of it to newGpName >> -- newGpName is already constructed, it is "imgItem k" for some k >> -- now set location of new group >> set the top of group newGpName to 30 >> set the left of group newGpName to the left of group "imgItem 1" >> -- store the new rect of the thumbnail, then delete it >> put the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName into thumbRect >> delete img "mThumb" of group newGpName >> -- import new image into cloned group (last group) >> start editing group newGpName >> import snapshot from image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" >> -- rename image >> set the name of last image to "mThumb" >> stop editing background newGpName >> -- resize image to thumbnail size and location >> set the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName to thumbRect >> >> What I get is not a properly sized thumbnail -- I get an image that >> looks >> the size of the whole new (cloned) group, and it's not a miniature >> of the >> big image, it's a crop of the big image. I can't remember how to >> miniaturize >> an imported snapshot down to thumbnail size. I know this has been >> discussed >> before but can't find it in the gmane archives. Any help appreciated. >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 09:22:29 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:22:29 -0500 Subject: making a thumbnail from a snapshot In-Reply-To: <628FD1A1-1159-4E26-8F9C-3C7987D76B03@economy-x-talk.com> References: <95F5859C-A177-4EE6-8394-18011F62EF5A@gmail.com> <628FD1A1-1159-4E26-8F9C-3C7987D76B03@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Useful utility, thanks. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Peter. > > I use this function to create thumbnails: > > function rescale theImgWidth,theImgHeight,theCdWidth,theCdHeight > -- determine longest side and rescale > if theCdWidth/theImgWidth < theCdHeight/theImgHeight then > put theCdWidth / theImgWidth into myRatio > else > put theCdHeight / theImgHeight into myRatio > end if > put theImgWidth * myRatio into myNewWidth > put theImgHeight * myRatio into myNewHeight > return myNewWidth,myNewHeight > end rescale > > Usually, I have a background object, e.g. a rectangular graphic, in > which I want to fit a picture. I'd do this as follows. > > lock screen > clone picture "Original" > set the name of it to "Thumb" > put rescale(the width of img "Thumb",the height of img "Thumb",the > width of grc "Back",the height of grc "Back") into myNewDimensions > set the width of img "Thumb" to item 1 of myNewDimensions > set the height of img "Thumb" to item 2 of myNewDimensions > set the loc of img "Thumb" to the loc of grc "Back" > unlock screen > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. > > Op 14 feb 2010, om 00:03 heeft Peter Brigham MD het volgende > geschreven: > >> I'm trying to make a thumbnail from a snapshot of an image from >> another substack. First I clone a group that contains a thumbnail >> image and a text field, then I reposition the new group, then I try >> to get a new thumbnail into the new group. Here's what I've tried >> (partial script): >> >> clone group "imgItem 1" >> set the name of it to newGpName >> -- newGpName is already constructed, it is "imgItem k" for some k >> -- now set location of new group >> set the top of group newGpName to 30 >> set the left of group newGpName to the left of group "imgItem 1" >> -- store the new rect of the thumbnail, then delete it >> put the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName into thumbRect >> delete img "mThumb" of group newGpName >> -- import new image into cloned group (last group) >> start editing group newGpName >> import snapshot from image "mDisplay" of stack "dispStack" >> -- rename image >> set the name of last image to "mThumb" >> stop editing background newGpName >> -- resize image to thumbnail size and location >> set the rect of img "mThumb" of group newGpName to thumbRect >> >> What I get is not a properly sized thumbnail -- I get an image that >> looks the size of the whole new (cloned) group, and it's not a >> miniature of the big image, it's a crop of the big image. I can't >> remember how to miniaturize an imported snapshot down to thumbnail >> size. I know this has been discussed before but can't find it in >> the gmane archives. Any help appreciated. >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From harrison at all-auctions.com Mon Feb 15 12:24:04 2010 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:24:04 -0500 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: References: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> <8DC21497-848E-4689-A263-1763C0E4DCD8@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: <61172B26-8F8E-4920-910D-45E3C9767378@all-auctions.com> Hi Sarah, So from this I'm assuming you are talking about using a revbrowser concept to get the information into and out of the database from within my stack? Will this approach slow things down? Thanks, Rick On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > One way of doing it is to have an irev file actually do the connecting > and querying of the database, and POST the query data to the page. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Feb 15 12:34:51 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:51 -0800 Subject: Valentina 4.5 Released; 64 Bit Servers, SNMP, 100 + Fixes/Improvements Message-ID: <38A0418300B146D1A8A0913B3F448CC9@GATEWAY> Hello all, Valentina 4.5 was released yesterday - on Valentine's Day, of course! Instead of giving you a huge PR, Im going ot summarize what's new: - Massively Improved Valentina Studio Pro. Six + months of refactoring, fixing, improving has brought huge improvements to speed and robustness. This tool lets you visually create, query, modify and administer Valentina databases. It also includes Visual Designer for building reports visually for use with Valentina Reports. - 64 Bit Servers. Available on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. Being able to access more than just a couple of GB of RAM on a server results in heavenly speed. For Valentina Office Server, Embedded Server, Free Server. - SNMP Client Support. You can use SNMP network monitoring clients to check on the welfare of your Valentina Servers. - 100+ Fixes/Improvements. Parallel to the massive improvements to Valentina Studio Pro, we went through the top 100 (and more) customer requests and fixed or implemented them. We spent the 4.5 update period to beef up and improve Valentina infrastructure because we are getting more and more customers who are using Valentina to serve data in some key, rather data intensive industries, such as financial services, medical, government. What Does this Mean for Revolution Developers? - If you are using a Valentina ADK only, you'll notice improved performance; there are a modest number of API additions in 4.5, but really that isn't the point of 4.5. - If you are using 32 bit ADKs to connect to 32 or 64 bit servers - no worries. They talk together quite nicely. Clearly, the more logic you put server side for complex queries vs big data stores the better performance you will see. - If you are just starting to get to know the Megabundle'd Valentina, you are still in your update period so its worth getting your hands on 4.5. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 13:40:46 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rick, Are you using MySQL on the on-rev server? --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rick Harrison wrote: > From: Rick Harrison > Subject: Re: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 11:19 AM > Hi Matthias, > > I've already seen http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev which only > shows > how to open a local MySQL database not a remote one. > > I am specifically looking for code examples, not the > basics. > > The information you provided about %.%.%.% as an ip-address > was helpful, > and I thank you for that! > > Rick > > > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:58 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > first of all you have to enable Remote Access for your > database. You can do that in cPanel > ->Databases->RemoteDatabase Access Hosts. If the > computer, which runs the stack, does not have a static > internet ip, then you have to? enter %.%.%.% as > ip-adress in Access Hosts. > > > > At http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev > you find a code example how to access an MySQL database. It > is an irev example, but the sections? > > > > #Open the database connection > > #Construct the SQL Statement > > #Close the database connection > > can also be used in an stack. > > > > Hth, > > > > Matthias > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL > Database (14-Feb-2010 22:29) > > From:? ? Rick Harrison > > To:? ? ? runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> I've been all through the archives, and found > >> some hints that it is possible to connect to > >> a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. > >> > >> Doe anyone have a clear step by step > >> example of how this is done? > >> > >> I don't have time to keep struggling with this > >> problem.? I need a solution A.S.A.P. > >> > >> Any help is greatly appreciated! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Rick > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe > and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > __________________________________ > Rick Harrison > > You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital > CD on the iTunes Store Now! > > To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD > please click on the > following link.? (Please note you must have iTunes > installed on your computer for this link to work.)? > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From irog at mac.com Mon Feb 15 13:55:18 2010 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:55:18 -0800 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available (Ken Ray) In-Reply-To: <20100215180004.18980288312@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100215180004.18980288312@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7E482815-198D-48D6-BB4A-6729357D44F8@mac.com> Thank you Ray. I have come to rely on StackRunner for quick demos etc. and very much appreciate the convenience. Thanks and cheers, Roger Guay On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available (Ken Ray) From irog at mac.com Mon Feb 15 14:00:53 2010 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:00:53 -0800 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available (Ken Ray) Message-ID: Oops, I meant to thank Ken. I tend to be dyslexic with 2 first names... > Thank you Ray. I have come to rely on StackRunner for quick demos etc. and very much appreciate the convenience. Again, thanks and cheers, Roger From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 14:14:51 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:14:51 -0500 Subject: stack menu Message-ID: This is the first time I've really tried to use stack menus. I'm building a stack menu during the course of user operations in a stack -- it's a menu of recent images accessed, with thumbnails and stored data associated with them. I've assigned a menustack as the menuName of a pulldown menu button, and all the scripts for handling user input are in the menustack stack script. I resize the menustack every time I add a "menuitem" (actually a group consisting of a thumbnail and a field) or choose an item from the menu (it deletes more recent menuitems, as a "recent" menu should). Things are working fine, but a problem arises when the menustack gets too tall. Clicking on the pulldown menu button pops up the menu, but the bottom of it is chopped off, as it would descend below the screenrect. I tried putting a rawkeydown handler in the menustack to handle scrolling, and this works fine if I open the menustack as toplevel -- I can use my scrollwheel to scroll the stack up and down to see the whole list -- but when I click the pulldown menu button and try to scroll the popped-up stack, nothing happens. Is there some way to allow scrolling of a stack menu that is too large to display fully? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 15 14:23:30 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:23:30 +0100 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, I had the same problem. Use a front script, which catches the rawKeyDown message if the target is the short name of a relevant object in the stack that you use as menu. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 15 feb 2010, om 20:14 heeft Peter Brigham MD het volgende geschreven: > This is the first time I've really tried to use stack menus. I'm > building a stack menu during the course of user operations in a > stack -- it's a menu of recent images accessed, with thumbnails and > stored data associated with them. I've assigned a menustack as the > menuName of a pulldown menu button, and all the scripts for handling > user input are in the menustack stack script. I resize the menustack > every time I add a "menuitem" (actually a group consisting of a > thumbnail and a field) or choose an item from the menu (it deletes > more recent menuitems, as a "recent" menu should). > > Things are working fine, but a problem arises when the menustack > gets too tall. Clicking on the pulldown menu button pops up the > menu, but the bottom of it is chopped off, as it would descend below > the screenrect. I tried putting a rawkeydown handler in the > menustack to handle scrolling, and this works fine if I open the > menustack as toplevel -- I can use my scrollwheel to scroll the > stack up and down to see the whole list -- but when I click the > pulldown menu button and try to scroll the popped-up stack, nothing > happens. > > Is there some way to allow scrolling of a stack menu that is too > large to display fully? > > -- Peter From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Feb 15 14:30:37 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:30:37 -0600 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available In-Reply-To: <1266245980537-1556201.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Now, i could test the engine 4.0 in > different Linux distributions without > installing RevMedia. Why do you need to install RevMedia? StackRunner works on Linux as well (or at least it *should*... :-) > Keep up this useful application! Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon Feb 15 14:36:15 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:36:15 +0000 Subject: Re-2: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database Message-ID: <0000089A.4B79B03D@matthias.is-a-guru.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database (15-Feb-2010 18:23) From: Rick Harrison To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Hi Matthias, > > I've already seen http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev which only shows > how to open a local MySQL database not a remote one. But if you replace in the example - "localhost" with your on-rev domain - "bentest_people" with the name of your MySQLDB - "bentest_samples" with the username of your DB - "samples09" with the password of the user of your DB then you can remote connect to your db. > I am specifically looking for code examples, not the basics. What do you mean with code examples? Do you want to know how to create/update or delete records, how to do a select or what? There is no difference, if you connect locally or remote. Regards, Matthias > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:58 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > first of all you have to enable Remote Access for your database. You can do > > that in cPanel ->Databases->RemoteDatabase Access Hosts. If the computer, > > which runs the stack, does not have a static internet ip, then you have to > > enter %.%.%.% as ip-adress in Access Hosts. > > > > At http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev you find a code example how to > > access an MySQL database. It is an irev example, but the sections > > > > #Open the database connection > > #Construct the SQL Statement > > #Close the database connection > > can also be used in an stack. > > > > Hth, > > > > Matthias > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database (14-Feb-2010 22: > > 29) > > From: Rick Harrison > > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> I've been all through the archives, and found > >> some hints that it is possible to connect to > >> a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. > >> > >> Doe anyone have a clear step by step > >> example of how this is done? > >> > >> I don't have time to keep struggling with this > >> problem. I need a solution A.S.A.P. > >> > >> Any help is greatly appreciated! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Rick > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > __________________________________ > Rick Harrison > > You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the > iTunes Store Now! > > To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on > the > following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your > computer for this link to work.) > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId= > 213668290 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:10:02 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:10:02 -0800 Subject: OT: Playing MP3's on Web Pages (was "Our Place in Hawaii") In-Reply-To: <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> Message-ID: <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > On one site we are currently staging in Drupal (stalled now, and I'm not > sure we really want to go there -- Drupal seems to be an esoteric beast! > Only dragon slayers can walk in those swamps!) one module for playing sound > using this embed code: > > autostart='false' width='220' height='30'> > > Though I think the above is deprecated in favor of "object" but appears to > be totally browser, media player "agnostic" and looks like it is hoping to > stay out of the way and let the local machine/browser make up its mind how > to play the media. > > Howard, I changed the embed code the simple version above. can you try > again? > Sorry, I didn't see your question until today. It isn't clear to me what you changed, but both the link above and your original link now play fine under my version of FireFox (3.5.7): (OSX 10.5.8, Intel). Both the slides and the sound worked the first time for me under Safari (4.04) -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From jim at oyfconsulting.com Mon Feb 15 15:30:22 2010 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:30:22 -0400 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> How do I make a video on a Mac that can be viewed on a PC? It seems that whatever tool I use - QuickTime, Adobe Flash Video Encoder (CS3), IshowU, Flip4Mac - the ensuing video cannot be played universally on a PC, yet, if I get the same video, created on a Mac but converted to a .flv or a .wmv on a PC everyone seems to be able to play it. I'm using a Powerbook with OS 10.5.8 with QT Pro (up to date). The videos either won't play or they require a Quicktime download in order to play. I want to keep it simple for my users and let them simply go to my web site and play the movie. Why is this so complex on a Mac? Is there no easy way? Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823.2139 StrategicDoing?: When Strategic Planning is finished, execution of your plan depends on your employees. -- From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:39:39 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:39:39 -0600 Subject: ANN: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader Message-ID: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Well, this is really a half announcement. I've been working on this in my spare time now for about a month, and have it somewhere - I'd guess - around 80% ready for release. I'm posting a couple screenshots here, telling you about a few of the features, and (for have those of you who use RSS readers) hoping you'll give me what your general impressions, etc. Newsfeeder is designed to be easy and minimalistic. It's not intended to be a "remember every headline I've ever read from any feed... ever" like a newsgroup/usenet reader (which is what most RSS readers do). It is also not intended to display HTML pages, as opposed to giving you a very quick overview of headlines so you only have to go to web pages that really interest you. -- A couple screenshots so you can get a feel for the user interface: http://massj.on-rev.com/downloads/Newsfeeder_Screenshot.png http://massj.on-rev.com/downloads/Newsfeeder_Screenshot_2.png Current feature set: * Can read RSS, FEED (ATOM), and RDF news feeds. * Strips out extraneous HTML markup from descriptions. * Share headlines via email, Twitter, Blogger, Digg, Reddit, and Facebook * Headline filtering (search) as-you-type * Unique "tagging" feature to quickly sort and navigate subscriptions * QuickTime/media support for podcast audio and video There's several other features that I'm working on as well, but don't want to discuss them in case they don't make the final cut for version 1.0. Any thoughts/comments very much appreciated. Thanks! Jeff M. From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 15:44:12 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:44:12 -0500 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> Message-ID: <86FA319F-9830-4F2F-8B7C-4113D9953366@verizon.net> You can't just play an FLV, to play that you would either have an application that can play it (say VLC) or you would have embedded a swf that can play the FLV. Whatever way you did it, those players can also play MPEG-4 files. So, use QuickTime Player's Save for Web, and that will produce a file named something like "mymovie.m4v". Put that alongside your FLV player, and tell the player that its source is "mymovie.m4v", and it will play anywhere that has Flash, even if QuickTime is not installed. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:46:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:46:17 +0200 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4B79B299.1040907@gmail.com> On 15/02/2010 22:30, Jim Carwardine wrote: > > > Why is this so complex on a Mac? Is there no easy way? > 'complex' - umm . . . with QT pro you should have no problem saving as AVI or WMV have a look at iSquint: http://www.isquint.org FREE . . . :) and VisualHub: http://www.visualhub.net - now discontinued; but code is free and comparatively easy to build! I think you may be falling for the mythology of things being easier with Windows . . . :) From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 15:50:03 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:50:03 -0500 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <4B79B299.1040907@gmail.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> <4B79B299.1040907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > > with QT pro you should have no problem saving as AVI or WMV AVI may not look so good (it's generally old codecs), and to make WMV requires extra products. After that you would have a file that not all Mac users can play. Doing the m4v file I mentioned would let the file play on about 98% of machines, assuming you have the appropriate player to load the file. From jim at oyfconsulting.com Mon Feb 15 15:51:24 2010 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:51:24 -0400 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <86FA319F-9830-4F2F-8B7C-4113D9953366@verizon.net> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> <86FA319F-9830-4F2F-8B7C-4113D9953366@verizon.net> Message-ID: <72676B75-D17C-4967-BF4B-EEF93FEE40A4@oyfconsulting.com> Thanks, Colin... Yes, I do use the player code but I have not seen your simple way explained anywhere on the web... Thanks... Jim On 15-Feb-10, at 4:44 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > You can't just play an FLV, to play that you would either have an > application that can play it (say VLC) or you would have embedded a > swf that can play the FLV. Whatever way you did it, those players > can also play MPEG-4 files. > > So, use QuickTime Player's Save for Web, and that will produce a > file named something like "mymovie.m4v". Put that alongside your FLV > player, and tell the player that its source is "mymovie.m4v", and it > will play anywhere that has Flash, even if QuickTime is not installed. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823.2139 StrategicDoing?: When Strategic Planning is finished, execution of your plan depends on your employees. -- From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 15:55:36 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:55:36 -0500 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <72676B75-D17C-4967-BF4B-EEF93FEE40A4@oyfconsulting.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> <86FA319F-9830-4F2F-8B7C-4113D9953366@verizon.net> <72676B75-D17C-4967-BF4B-EEF93FEE40A4@oyfconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49BD0977-38CD-4474-95C1-0ACFA21CD441@verizon.net> On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: > Thanks, Colin... Yes, I do use the player code but I have not seen your simple way explained anywhere on the web... Thanks... Jim For full disclosure, the playback would need to be for Flash Player 9.0.115 or later (that was released about 2 or 3 years ago, so most people are way beyond that). In other words, an ancient AS2 based player won't be able to play those files. From harrison at all-auctions.com Mon Feb 15 16:09:25 2010 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:09:25 -0500 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> Hi Michael, Yes, I'm using MySQL on the on-rev server. I can access it fine from an irev script. I need to access it remotely from a stack. Rick On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > Rick, > > Are you using MySQL on the on-rev server? > > --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rick Harrison wrote: > >> From: Rick Harrison >> Subject: Re: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 11:19 AM >> Hi Matthias, >> >> I've already seen http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev which only >> shows >> how to open a local MySQL database not a remote one. >> >> I am specifically looking for code examples, not the >> basics. >> >> The information you provided about %.%.%.% as an ip-address >> was helpful, >> and I thank you for that! >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:58 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de >> wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> >>> first of all you have to enable Remote Access for your >> database. You can do that in cPanel >> ->Databases->RemoteDatabase Access Hosts. If the >> computer, which runs the stack, does not have a static >> internet ip, then you have to enter %.%.%.% as >> ip-adress in Access Hosts. >>> >>> At http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev >> you find a code example how to access an MySQL database. It >> is an irev example, but the sections >>> >>> #Open the database connection >>> #Construct the SQL Statement >>> #Close the database connection >>> can also be used in an stack. >>> >>> Hth, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL >> Database (14-Feb-2010 22:29) >>> From: Rick Harrison >>> To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> I've been all through the archives, and found >>>> some hints that it is possible to connect to >>>> a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. >>>> >>>> Doe anyone have a clear step by step >>>> example of how this is done? >>>> >>>> I don't have time to keep struggling with this >>>> problem. I need a solution A.S.A.P. >>>> >>>> Any help is greatly appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe >> and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and >> manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> __________________________________ >> Rick Harrison >> >> You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital >> CD on the iTunes Store Now! >> >> To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD >> please click on the >> following link. (Please note you must have iTunes >> installed on your computer for this link to work.) >> >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution __________________________________ Rick Harrison You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the iTunes Store Now! To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Feb 15 16:11:58 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:11:58 -0800 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org><3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com><4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org><3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> Message-ID: > It seems that whatever tool I use - QuickTime, Adobe Flash > Video Encoder (CS3), IshowU, Flip4Mac - the ensuing video > cannot be played universally on a PC, yet, if I get the same > video, created on a Mac but converted to a .flv or a .wmv on > a PC everyone seems to be able to play it. Im starting to think that there's something intentional there on Apple's part. Many times Ive come across an embedded Quicktime .mov file on a web page and have it crash out Firefox/Windows (with the latest Quicktime and Firefox updates installed, too). Likewise, Ive had PDFs produced with Adobe Acrobat/Windows that crash Preview on the Mac. One issue I have with QT on Windows was being reported by users as far back as 2006 on the Apple Forums - with no resolution ever posted. The common feature between them is the ugly crash, rather than something a little more graceful. I guess I should be thankful there isnt a "Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Error" to go along with it. I sometimes feel like the collective computer users of the world are caught in a perpetual push-me-pull-you battle between Adobe, Apple and Microsoft. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 16:42:28 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:42:28 -0800 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <4B79B299.1040907@gmail.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> <4B79B299.1040907@gmail.com> Message-ID: Handbrake for the Mac is free and quite powerful. A wide variety of controls and options, with user presets. Constant quality encoding. Lots of documentation http://handbrake.fr/ Nov 23, 2009 Jim Ault Las Vegas On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 15/02/2010 22:30, Jim Carwardine wrote: >> >> >> Why is this so complex on a Mac? Is there no easy way? >> > 'complex' - umm . . . > > with QT pro you should have no problem saving as AVI or WMV > > have a look at iSquint: http://www.isquint.org FREE . . . :) > > and VisualHub: http://www.visualhub.net - now discontinued; but > code is free > and comparatively easy to build! > > I think you may be falling for the mythology of things being easier > with Windows . . . :) From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 15 17:04:26 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:04:26 -0800 Subject: stack menu Message-ID: <4B79C4EA.9020504@fourthworld.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > This is the first time I've really tried to use stack menus. I'm > building a stack menu during the course of user operations in a stack > -- it's a menu of recent images accessed, with thumbnails and stored > data associated with them. I've assigned a menustack as the menuName > of a pulldown menu button, and all the scripts for handling user input > are in the menustack stack script. I resize the menustack every time I > add a "menuitem" (actually a group consisting of a thumbnail and a > field) or choose an item from the menu (it deletes more recent > menuitems, as a "recent" menu should). > > Things are working fine, but a problem arises when the menustack gets > too tall. Clicking on the pulldown menu button pops up the menu, but > the bottom of it is chopped off, as it would descend below the > screenrect. See: It would be great to see this fixed. There's a lot of power in using stacks as menus for galleries and such, but precious few people using them (only two of us have voted for #6072 thus far). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 15 17:34:54 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:34:54 -1000 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> References: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: <012901caae8f$19239880$4b6ac980$@com> Rick Harrison wrote: > Yes, I'm using MySQL on the on-rev server. > > I can access it fine from an irev script. > > I need to access it remotely from a stack. Rick, Look up *post* in the dictionary. A script in your stack posts SQL, data or both to your irev script. The irev script executes the SQL and then uses *put* to send the result back to your script. This is what Sarah was referring to. This is actually more secure as you don't have to send usernames, passwords or even the DB name between your stack and the server. You can even encrypt what you are posting and have the irev script decrypt, execute, encrypt the result of your query and put it to you stack script. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From david.bovill at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 17:51:49 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:51:49 +0000 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <4B77516E.5050307@hindu.org> Message-ID: On 14 February 2010 23:55, Scott Rossi wrote: > The following works on my end and appears to operate counter to what you > say. > > - Create new stack "maintest". > > - Create substack of maintest named "subtest". > > - Create a button in stack subtest named "b1". Script: > on mouseUp > answer theMsg() > end mouseUp > > - Create another button in stack subtest named "b2". Script: > function theMsg > return "abc 123" > end theMsg > > - Go back to stack maintest. Set the behavior of the current card to long > id of btn b1; set the behavior of stack maintest itself to long id of btn > b2. > > Click the card in the main stack. You should see the "abc 123" message > above. Note the script will fail if you remove the behavior assigned to > the > main stack or the card in the main stack. > > If behaviors are indeed essentially object-level backscripts, then I think > it makes sense that object-level behaviors "fall through" to > card/stack-level behaviors -- this is consistent with card/stack scripts > handling any messages that go unhandled by objects. > I don't follow - the example is it not just what you would suspect - just like putting the scrpts in the card and stack script? I don't see what you mean by "fall through" card --> btn 1 of stack subtest ( = backscript of card) | v stack --> btn 2 of stack subtest ( = backscript of stack) From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 15 18:04:43 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:04:43 -0600 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B79D30B.7030902@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > Things are working fine, but a problem arises when the menustack gets > too tall. Clicking on the pulldown menu button pops up the menu, but the > bottom of it is chopped off, as it would descend below the screenrect. I > tried putting a rawkeydown handler in the menustack to handle scrolling, > and this works fine if I open the menustack as toplevel -- I can use my > scrollwheel to scroll the stack up and down to see the whole list -- but > when I click the pulldown menu button and try to scroll the popped-up > stack, nothing happens. The only thing I can think of as a work-around for now is to enclose all your content in a group with a scrollbar. Set the height of the group to the height of the stack panel, which would also have to be set to fit into the available space. You won't get automatic menu scrolling behavior but you'd at least have a scrollbar, sort of like a combo box. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 18:42:07 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:42:07 +1000 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> References: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Yes, I'm using MySQL on the on-rev server. > > I can access it fine from an irev script. > > I need to access it remotely from a stack. The scripts are exactly the same. You just need to make the address of the database point to your On-Rev site instead of localhost. Set the permissions as described already and I think it will work as planned. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 18:47:36 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:47:36 +1000 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <61172B26-8F8E-4920-910D-45E3C9767378@all-auctions.com> References: <4A9D0B1F-2C48-4A14-9580-CF4CE60C51D6@dvcreators.net> <8DC21497-848E-4689-A263-1763C0E4DCD8@all-auctions.com> <61172B26-8F8E-4920-910D-45E3C9767378@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > So from this I'm assuming you are talking about using > a revbrowser concept to get the information into and > out of the database from within my stack? No, I don't use revBrowser, I just do something like this: put "http://myname.on-rev.com/database.irev" into tPage put "param1=" & URLencode(param1) into tPost put "¶m2=" & URLencode(param2) after tPost post tPost to URL tPage put it into tData where param1 & param2 contain the details of my query, e.g. the table name & field to select. Then I get back whatever the iRev file "put", into my tData variable. Very fast and if you already have the irev files talking to the database, then you are nearly there. You just need to read the $_POST array to see if any parameters have been sent. The nice thing about this option is that the permissions remain the defaults and the database can still only be accessed locally, giving you more control over it. Cheers, Sarah From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 18:53:35 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:53:35 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <4B79C4EA.9020504@fourthworld.com> References: <4B79C4EA.9020504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <20477859-F4B0-491C-AA58-B11C3E5EC70B@gmail.com> Five votes from me. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter Brigham MD wrote: >> This is the first time I've really tried to use stack menus. I'm >> building a stack menu during the course of user operations in a stack >> -- it's a menu of recent images accessed, with thumbnails and stored >> data associated with them. I've assigned a menustack as the menuName >> of a pulldown menu button, and all the scripts for handling user >> input >> are in the menustack stack script. I resize the menustack every >> time I >> add a "menuitem" (actually a group consisting of a thumbnail and a >> field) or choose an item from the menu (it deletes more recent >> menuitems, as a "recent" menu should). >> >> Things are working fine, but a problem arises when the menustack gets >> too tall. Clicking on the pulldown menu button pops up the menu, but >> the bottom of it is chopped off, as it would descend below the >> screenrect. > > See: > > > It would be great to see this fixed. There's a lot of power in > using stacks as menus for galleries and such, but precious few > people using them (only two of us have voted for #6072 thus far). From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 18:56:45 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:56:45 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <4B79D30B.7030902@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B79D30B.7030902@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I'm still wondering how a frontscript would work, as suggested by Mark Schonewille. I hate to get into the complexities of a scrolling group if I don't have to. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> Things are working fine, but a problem arises when the menustack >> gets too tall. Clicking on the pulldown menu button pops up the >> menu, but the bottom of it is chopped off, as it would descend >> below the screenrect. I tried putting a rawkeydown handler in the >> menustack to handle scrolling, and this works fine if I open the >> menustack as toplevel -- I can use my scrollwheel to scroll the >> stack up and down to see the whole list -- but when I click the >> pulldown menu button and try to scroll the popped-up stack, nothing >> happens. > > The only thing I can think of as a work-around for now is to enclose > all your content in a group with a scrollbar. Set the height of the > group to the height of the stack panel, which would also have to be > set to fit into the available space. You won't get automatic menu > scrolling behavior but you'd at least have a scrollbar, sort of like > a combo box. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 15 19:11:45 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:11:45 +0100 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: References: <4B79D30B.7030902@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5647C78E-8E31-4031-8CDA-1CF392EEF00B@economy-x-talk.com> Peter, Actually, I assumed you would use a group with scrollbars. You will also have to adjust the height of your stack by yourself, with a preOpenStack script, and you'll need to set the height of the group to the height of the stack. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 16 feb 2010, om 00:56 heeft Peter Brigham MD het volgende geschreven: > I'm still wondering how a frontscript would work, as suggested by > Mark Schonewille. I hate to get into the complexities of a scrolling > group if I don't have to. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp Mon Feb 15 20:39:58 2010 From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:39:58 +0900 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <49BD0977-38CD-4474-95C1-0ACFA21CD441@verizon.net> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> <86FA319F-9830-4F2F-8B7C-4113D9953366@verizon.net> <72676B75-D17C-4967-BF4B-EEF93FEE40A4@oyfconsulting.com> <49BD0977-38CD-4474-95C1-0ACFA21CD441@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B79F76E.70801@tkf.att.ne.jp> I work in broadcast production; dabble in xTalk... Colin's method of playing h.264 files via flash is the way to go for cross compatibility if you want to roll your own. If you Google it, you can find all kinds of step by step instructions, if needed. However, I have found that the YouTube/Vimeo/etc. servers are so FAST, that I have moved to using them, embedding the videos on my site. Yes, I hate having their logo on my work, but I decided my users would have a better impression of us if the video started almost immediately than to wait for it to buffer as it streams off our web host's server.... Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan Colin Holgate wrote: > On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: > >> Thanks, Colin... Yes, I do use the player code but I have not seen your simple way explained anywhere on the web... Thanks... Jim > > > For full disclosure, the playback would need to be for Flash Player 9.0.115 or later (that was released about 2 or 3 years ago, so most people are way beyond that). In other words, an ancient AS2 based player won't be able to play those files. From josh at dvcreators.net Mon Feb 15 22:29:11 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:29:11 -0800 Subject: [OT] Making videos on a Mac In-Reply-To: <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> References: <4B733814.2040001@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002101823g376f9179g68b3a196c44fe3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B74B4F7.70602@hindu.org> <3f07cc261002151210l202770f1nccdb8e0080de194d@mail.gmail.com> <901C1275-7BB5-4DF3-AD45-2E5EBD77D989@oyfconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8BFD8128-BD60-47D6-8D30-7907992BCD7D@dvcreators.net> The movie on this page (click the TV) demonstrates publishing H.264 movies in Flash players: http://www.dvcreators.net/dv-kitchen-20/ On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: > How do I make a video on a Mac that can be viewed on a PC? > > It seems that whatever tool I use - QuickTime, Adobe Flash Video Encoder (CS3), IshowU, Flip4Mac - the ensuing video cannot be played universally on a PC, yet, if I get the same video, created on a Mac but converted to a .flv or a .wmv on a PC everyone seems to be able to play it. > > I'm using a Powerbook with OS 10.5.8 with QT Pro (up to date). > > The videos either won't play or they require a Quicktime download in order to play. > > I want to keep it simple for my users and let them simply go to my web site and play the movie. > > Why is this so complex on a Mac? Is there no easy way? > > Jim Carwardine, > President & CEO > OYF Consulting > Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 > Fx. 902.823.2139 > > StrategicDoing?: When Strategic Planning is finished, > execution of your plan depends on your employees. > -- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 22:47:34 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:47:34 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <5647C78E-8E31-4031-8CDA-1CF392EEF00B@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4B79D30B.7030902@hyperactivesw.com> <5647C78E-8E31-4031-8CDA-1CF392EEF00B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: I'm already adjusting the height of the stack and placing the "menuItem" groups appropriately, thanks. I was hoping to scroll the whole stack. Putting everything into a group and scrolling the group was what I was hoping to avoid. Sounds as if I'll have to, though, if I want to proceed. Bummer. It's not an elegant solution, since when the menu is short the scrollbar will be superfluous and look a bit silly, and I'll have to detect the distance between the bottom of the pulldown menu button and the bottom of the screen to know what the max menustack height will have to be. Not sure if it's all worth it given that the result will hardly look like a native Mac control. Hmmmm. Can you scroll a group with the scrollwheel using a rawkeydown handler if the group has no scrollbar? With or without a frontscript? That at least would *look* like a regular menu. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Peter, > > Actually, I assumed you would use a group with scrollbars. You will > also have to adjust the height of your stack by yourself, with a > preOpenStack script, and you'll need to set the height of the group > to the height of the stack. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. > > Op 16 feb 2010, om 00:56 heeft Peter Brigham MD het volgende > geschreven: > >> I'm still wondering how a frontscript would work, as suggested by >> Mark Schonewille. I hate to get into the complexities of a >> scrolling group if I don't have to. >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 16 00:40:36 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:40:36 -0800 Subject: stack menu Message-ID: <4B7A2FD4.2050804@fourthworld.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > I'm already adjusting the height of the stack and placing the > "menuItem" groups appropriately, thanks. I was hoping to scroll the > whole stack. Putting everything into a group and scrolling the group > was what I was hoping to avoid. Moreover, AFAIK it's not possible anyway, since stacks popped up with the popup command only trap one mouse click and then close -- regardless of what was clicked on. Given their original purpose, to hold only menu item buttons, that makes sense. But attempting manipulate controls like scrollbars will be an exercise in frustration: click on the scrollbar to drag it, and the window goes away. You could work around that by not using the popup command, but instead using a simple borderless palette and watching events carefully (very carefully; popup controls are simple for users because whatever system that implements them is working hard to deliver that seeling seamlessness). Much better to see this fixed. As for your gallery, I wonder if it might make sense to have only a subset of options available, with an item for "More..." which opens a dialog with a scrolling region to show all of them. This may even be a benefit to the end user, since it starts them off with with a focused subset. Of course the usefulness of that depends on a lot of things I don't know about your app; maybe something to consider, maybe not. > Hmmmm. Can you scroll a group with the scrollwheel using a rawkeydown > handler if the group has no scrollbar? With or without a frontscript? > That at least would *look* like a regular menu. Yep: rawKeyDown 65308 is "down" and 65309 is "up". -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 16 02:55:16 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:55:16 -0800 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Ken Ray wrote: > After a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time, I finally was able to update StackRunner > to use the 4.0 engine. Thanks for doing this Ken -- every so often I have a need to send clients a "player" engine and StackRunner is perfect for this. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From psahores at free.fr Tue Feb 16 05:11:58 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:11:58 +0100 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> References: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, What Sarah and Jim points out is realy the finest way to go to bind your remote stack to a clean and secure irev+MySQL process (POST Method calls to the irev script + SQL request from the irev script to the MySQL db) ! Any other way would let anyone see how to access to your MySQL on-rev backend with your own credentials and it would be very dangerous, at least... As long as i know, the on-rev security model is set to allow localhost databases accesses only and it's fine soo. Best, P. Le 15 f?vr. 10 ? 22:09, Rick Harrison a ?crit : > Hi Michael, > > Yes, I'm using MySQL on the on-rev server. > > I can access it fine from an irev script. > > I need to access it remotely from a stack. > > Rick > > On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > >> Rick, >> >> Are you using MySQL on the on-rev server? >> >> --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rick Harrison wrote: >> >>> From: Rick Harrison >>> Subject: Re: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database >>> To: "How to use Revolution" >>> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 11:19 AM >>> Hi Matthias, >>> >>> I've already seen http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev which only >>> shows >>> how to open a local MySQL database not a remote one. >>> >>> I am specifically looking for code examples, not the >>> basics. >>> >>> The information you provided about %.%.%.% as an ip-address >>> was helpful, >>> and I thank you for that! >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:58 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> first of all you have to enable Remote Access for your >>> database. You can do that in cPanel >>> ->Databases->RemoteDatabase Access Hosts. If the >>> computer, which runs the stack, does not have a static >>> internet ip, then you have to enter %.%.%.% as >>> ip-adress in Access Hosts. >>>> >>>> At http://samples.on-rev.com/database.irev >>> you find a code example how to access an MySQL database. It >>> is an irev example, but the sections >>>> >>>> #Open the database connection >>>> #Construct the SQL Statement >>>> #Close the database connection >>>> can also be used in an stack. >>>> >>>> Hth, >>>> >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL >>> Database (14-Feb-2010 22:29) >>>> From: Rick Harrison >>>> To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de >>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I've been all through the archives, and found >>>>> some hints that it is possible to connect to >>>>> a remote MySQL database on On-Rev. >>>>> >>>>> Doe anyone have a clear step by step >>>>> example of how this is done? >>>>> >>>>> I don't have time to keep struggling with this >>>>> problem. I need a solution A.S.A.P. >>>>> >>>>> Any help is greatly appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe >>> and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and >>> manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Rick Harrison >>> >>> You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital >>> CD on the iTunes Store Now! >>> >>> To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD >>> please click on the >>> following link. (Please note you must have iTunes >>> installed on your computer for this link to work.) >>> >>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >>> your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > __________________________________ > Rick Harrison > > You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on > the iTunes Store Now! > > To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please > click on the > following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your > computer for this link to work.) > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Feb 16 07:54:03 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:54:03 +0100 Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users Message-ID: Hi, there is still a lot of uncharted territory on the world map ? and even a continent, where we don?t have a revolutionist yet! Is there any runrev user in Africa??? Go and pin your location on Bj?rnkes map (watch line breaks): http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8 &hl=en&msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,1 2.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 sign in (create a google account, if you don?t have one and sign off afterwords) and edit your pin Please don?t move the other pins! (there are some moved in the off!) Have fun watching the diversity of our places Tiemo From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Feb 16 08:27:59 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:27:59 +0100 Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, Tiemo's link got a bit messed up in my E-Mail client. Probably, this link is easier to deal with for most people: http://qurl.tk/4O -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 16 feb 2010, om 13:54 heeft Tiemo Hollmann TB het volgende geschreven: > Hi, > > there is still a lot of uncharted territory on the world map ? and > even a > continent, where we don?t have a revolutionist yet! Is there any > runrev user > in Africa??? > > Go and pin your location on Bj?rnkes map (watch line breaks): > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8 > 54.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d > &ll=17.978733,12.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t= > h&z=2> > &hl > = > en > &msa=0&msid=103560329393675966954.00047f3f26dbe66f71c2d&ll=17.978733,1 > 2.304688&spn=124.244284,268.242188&t=h&z=2 > > sign in (create a google account, if you don?t have one and sign off > afterwords) and edit your pin > > Please don?t move the other pins! (there are some moved in the off!) > > Have fun watching the diversity of our places > > Tiemo > From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Feb 16 09:04:11 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:04:11 -0600 Subject: ANN: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Well, this is really a half announcement. I've been working on this in my > spare time now for about a month, and have it somewhere - I'd guess - around > 80% ready for release. I'm posting a couple screenshots here, telling you > about a few of the features, and (for have those of you who use RSS readers) > hoping you'll give me what your general impressions, etc. Looks really good and clean, Jeff... congrats! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 16 09:13:47 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (andre at andregarzia.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:13:47 -0200 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken, Congrats! Thanks for doing this! Can I include StackRunner in that Linux distribution that I am building? Cheers Andre Enviado de meu iPhone Em 16/02/2010, ?s 05:55, Scott Rossi escreveu: > Recently, Ken Ray wrote: > >> After a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time, I finally was able to update >> StackRunner >> to use the 4.0 engine. > > Thanks for doing this Ken -- every so often I have a need to send > clients a > "player" engine and StackRunner is perfect for this. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 09:37:03 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:37:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Stack open? Message-ID: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or even if that can be done. if stack "Stack" is open then blah blah end if Thanks, Andrew Kluthe -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Stack-open-tp1557396p1557396.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 16 09:40:17 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:40:17 +0100 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <94EA2F77-7E12-4292-8897-2E01EC63DBE3@major.on-rev.com> Hi Andrew, > > I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or even if > that can be done. > if stack "Stack" is open then > blah blah > end if you're almost there :-) ... if "Name of your stack" is in the openstacks then ## Stack is open end if ... > Thanks, > > Andrew Kluthe Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:02:31 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:02:31 -0600 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002160702n4e467aaarb999678228056901@mail.gmail.com> Check the "mode" property of the stack. if the mode of stack "Stack" > 0 then ## the stack is open end if HTH, Jeff M. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or even > if > that can be done. > > if stack "Stack" is open then > > blah blah > end if > > > From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:04:33 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:04:33 -0600 Subject: Stack message once all libs are loaded? Message-ID: <963c86eb1002160704xb19c996id1046c0742f92c10@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to get my app to load up a web page immediately on startup, but this is not going well at all. preOpenStack, openStack, startup, all of these messages fail to work for me since - at that time - the internet library group hasn't been initialized yet, and my call to LOAD fails. Is there any message I can key off of to say "once the background groups are open and the internet library is initialized, do X?" Thanks! Jeff M. From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 10:09:00 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:09:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Stack message once all libs are loaded? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002160704xb19c996id1046c0742f92c10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34173.59922.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Jeff Massung wrote: > I'm trying to get my app to load up a > web page immediately on startup, but > this is not going well at all. preOpenStack, openStack, > startup, all of > these messages fail to work for me since - at that time - > the internet > library group hasn't been initialized yet, and my call to > LOAD fails. > > Is there any message I can key off of to say "once the > background groups are > open and the internet library is initialized, do X?" > > Thanks! > > Jeff M. > Hi Jeff, The simplest way is to 'send' a message from your startup/openstack/... handler, to be executed in 0 milliseconds. This way, the message will be triggered right after everything is loaded in terms of libraries. ## on openStack send "FetchWelcomePage" to me in 0 milliseconds end openStack on FetchWelcomePage put URL("http://www.example.org/welcome.htm" into field "Welcome" end FetchWelcomePage ## HTH, Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 16 10:14:25 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:14:25 -0500 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <94EA2F77-7E12-4292-8897-2E01EC63DBE3@major.on-rev.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <94EA2F77-7E12-4292-8897-2E01EC63DBE3@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <22D271D0-ACFB-4311-86EC-35D22C3E19E5@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Klaus Major wrote: >> I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax >> or even if >> that can be done. >> if stack "Stack" is open then >> blah blah >> end if > > you're almost there :-) > ... > if "Name of your stack" is in the openstacks then > ## Stack is open > end if > ... I would suggest one small tweak as using 'is in' can return false positives when checking the openstacks for a stack name. For example, if you have a stack named "dog" and a stack named "dog sled" appeared in the openstacks then checking if "dog" was in the openstacks would return true. Try using "is among the lines" instead. if "name of your stack" is among the lines of the openstacks then ## stack is open end if -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 10:18:44 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:18:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Calling handlers on different stacks. Message-ID: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> Another silly question that I don't quite get. Calling handlers located on Stack1 from Stack2. Code in stack 2: start using stack "Stack1" PopulateListOnFilter --Handler on Stack1 stop using stack "Stack1" How do I call PopulateListOnFilter on stack1 from stack 2? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Calling-handlers-on-different-stacks-tp1557457p1557457.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 16 10:22:13 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:22:13 +0100 Subject: Calling handlers on different stacks. In-Reply-To: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <232832E9-54B4-41B6-800E-23AD7A3B3222@major.on-rev.com> Hi Andre, > Another silly question that I don't quite get. > Calling handlers located on Stack1 from Stack2. > Code in stack 2: > start using stack "Stack1" > PopulateListOnFilter --Handler on Stack1 > stop using stack "Stack1" > How do I call PopulateListOnFilter on stack1 from stack 2? Check "call" in the docs (Rev Dictionary) :-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:25:07 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:25:07 -0600 Subject: Stack message once all libs are loaded? In-Reply-To: <34173.59922.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <963c86eb1002160704xb19c996id1046c0742f92c10@mail.gmail.com> <34173.59922.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002160725j709830c3n3a86e07f28e07be0@mail.gmail.com> Jan, I've tried that to no avail in the IDE. If that's meant to work then perhaps I just have a bug where the message is getting eaten up by another control somewhere along the way. Thanks! Jeff M. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Jeff Massung wrote: > > I'm trying to get my app to load up a > > web page immediately on startup, but > > this is not going well at all. preOpenStack, openStack, > > startup, all of > > these messages fail to work for me since - at that time - > > the internet > > library group hasn't been initialized yet, and my call to > > LOAD fails. > > > > Is there any message I can key off of to say "once the > > background groups are > > open and the internet library is initialized, do X?" > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jeff M. > > > > Hi Jeff, > > The simplest way is to 'send' a message from your startup/openstack/... > handler, to be executed in 0 milliseconds. This way, the message will be > triggered right after everything is loaded in terms of libraries. > > ## > on openStack > send "FetchWelcomePage" to me in 0 milliseconds > end openStack > on FetchWelcomePage > put URL("http://www.example.org/welcome.htm" into field "Welcome" > end FetchWelcomePage > ## > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." > (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 16 10:36:55 2010 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:36:55 -0500 Subject: survey Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the hell - oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? Sorry, over here in the colonies we don't use such hooey. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From mpetrides at earthlink.net Tue Feb 16 10:41:24 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:41:24 -0600 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7DB3F3F7-3383-4C29-85E2-A5464B8ADF60@earthlink.net> two weeks On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the > hell - > oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? > > Sorry, over here in the colonies we don't use such hooey. > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 10:41:40 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Calling handlers on different stacks. In-Reply-To: <232832E9-54B4-41B6-800E-23AD7A3B3222@major.on-rev.com> References: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> <232832E9-54B4-41B6-800E-23AD7A3B3222@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1266334900082-1557503.post@n4.nabble.com> wow, so obvious I couldn't find it. -_- -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Calling-handlers-on-different-stacks-tp1557457p1557503.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 16 10:41:51 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:41:51 -0800 Subject: survey Message-ID: <4B7ABCBF.1090101@fourthworld.com> Mike Kerner wrote: > Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the hell - > oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? > > Sorry, over here in the colonies we don't use such hooey. A period of 14 days (derived from Middle English fourtenight, alteration of fourtene night, fourteen nights): -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Tue Feb 16 10:42:57 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:42:57 +0100 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> Le 16 f?vr. 2010 ? 16:36, Mike Kerner a ?crit : > Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the hell - > oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? > 2 weeks. When I learned this in my native France, it was assumed that "English" meant "UK English". I was introduced to the US idiom when I started reading comics. cheers Fran?ois From mikeythek at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:45:29 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:45:29 -0500 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> It was really funny to see the "fortnight" period followed a few questions later by a discussion of fees in US Dollars. 2010/2/16 Fran?ois Chaplais > > Le 16 f?vr. 2010 ? 16:36, Mike Kerner a ?crit : > > > Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the hell > - > > oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? > > > 2 weeks. When I learned this in my native France, it was assumed that > "English" meant "UK English". I was introduced to the US idiom when I > started reading comics. > > cheers > Fran?ois > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Tue Feb 16 10:44:00 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:44:00 +0000 Subject: how to connect to a MSSQL server with Rev Linux? Message-ID: <00000909.4B7ACB4E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Hi, i need to connect from a linux machine to a Microsoft SQL Server with Revolution. As i am not familiar with linux, i do not know if this is possible at all. Is this done also with ODBC and if so, where can i find that settings in linux? Actually i am using Andre?s wonderfull community_linux for testing and cannot find anything about ODBC in there. But maybe i am looking at the wrong place? Regards, Matthias From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:56:28 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:56:28 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <4B7A2FD4.2050804@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7A2FD4.2050804@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <8FE78C9D-9D56-489E-A2F9-AEC2D8B797BD@gmail.com> On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> I'm already adjusting the height of the stack and placing the >> "menuItem" groups appropriately, thanks. I was hoping to scroll the >> whole stack. Putting everything into a group and scrolling the group >> was what I was hoping to avoid. > > Moreover, AFAIK it's not possible anyway, since stacks popped up > with the popup command only trap one mouse click and then close -- > regardless of what was clicked on. Given their original purpose, to > hold only menu item buttons, that makes sense. But attempting > manipulate controls like scrollbars will be an exercise in > frustration: click on the scrollbar to drag it, and the window goes > away. Yes, I thought this was the basic problem. > You could work around that by not using the popup command, but > instead using a simple borderless palette and watching events > carefully (very carefully; popup controls are simple for users > because whatever system that implements them is working hard to > deliver that seeling seamlessness). > > Much better to see this fixed. I agree. I'm not going to try a complex work-around for this. > As for your gallery, I wonder if it might make sense to have only a > subset of options available, with an item for "More..." which opens > a dialog with a scrolling region to show all of them. This may even > be a benefit to the end user, since it starts them off with with a > focused subset. Of course the usefulness of that depends on a lot > of things I don't know about your app; maybe something to consider, > maybe not. I'll probably run with something like that. >> Hmmmm. Can you scroll a group with the scrollwheel using a rawkeydown >> handler if the group has no scrollbar? With or without a frontscript? >> That at least would *look* like a regular menu. > > Yep: rawKeyDown 65308 is "down" and 65309 is "up". Yes, I put this in the stack script and it works fine with the stack at toplevel. What I may do is have a "more..." menuitem/button at the bottom of the popup list when the list gets long, and use that to toplevel the stack so it can be scrolled. Thanks for all of your suggestions, everyone. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 16 11:09:04 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:09:04 -0800 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: References: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: > > localhost databases accesses only Not true... otherwise it would be impossible to use apps like Navicat or a Rev MySQL-based project remotely. All you need to do is to open up the available IPs -- On-Rev MySQL will work with to your fixed IP or a wild card %. -- Of course that is with less security for the connection, plain text and all. > at least... As long as i know, the on-rev security model is set to allow > localhost databases accesses only and it's fine soo. > > Best, > > P. From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 11:10:34 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:10:34 -0600 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <8FE78C9D-9D56-489E-A2F9-AEC2D8B797BD@gmail.com> References: <4B7A2FD4.2050804@fourthworld.com> <8FE78C9D-9D56-489E-A2F9-AEC2D8B797BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002160810o4d25a48bs50397529e55bbffd@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > > Yes, I put this in the stack script and it works fine with the stack at > toplevel. What I may do is have a "more..." menuitem/button at the bottom of > the popup list when the list gets long, and use that to toplevel the stack > so it can be scrolled. > > You could also get the same behavior by watching where the mouseLoc is. If the mouse is hovering at - say, the bottom of the monitor screen (the bottom 95% or so), then keep scrolling the stack until the user moves the mouse up higher. Jeff M. From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 16 11:16:28 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:16:28 -1000 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or > even if > that can be done. Besides other suggestions given, you can also use: If there is a stack "stackName" then... Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From robert at rman.on-rev.com Tue Feb 16 11:20:11 2010 From: robert at rman.on-rev.com (Robert Man) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:20:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266337211202-1557566.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi .. from Paris.. I do hope that god will find the right balance between a necessary commercial approach, and the kind of passionate and "praying" attitudes of us sheeps around.. I made a few suggestions in that line.. in my prayers send to the surveyor... to keep the forums and not replace it with a paid one.. and find a place and an attitude and some rewards maybe for the people who actively participate more... any thoughts?? I wonder what happens after god does his day diving.. have the sheeps talked between each other and decided to talk to god? Have a good day, Robert -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/survey-tp1557493p1557566.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikeythek at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 11:21:55 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:21:55 -0500 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <1266337211202-1557566.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> <1266337211202-1557566.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002160821y5a210d80mcb80a7975c7c6187@mail.gmail.com> wow. now that's how you mix a signature with a thread. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 11:54:26 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:54:26 +0200 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7ACDC2.1020902@gmail.com> On 16/02/2010 17:45, Mikey wrote: > It was really funny to see the "fortnight" period followed a few questions > later by a discussion of fees in US Dollars. > > What was even funnier; our colonial colleague having owned up to the fact that he is from the North American colonies; was to see after 'fortnight' the use of an illegal currency invented by the rebels . . . :) Speaking as a Scot I am still trying to cope with the English mucking around with our currency and stopping us using the Merk! From mikeythek at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 12:01:39 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:01:39 -0500 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <4B7ACDC2.1020902@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <47A31A29-9FA2-42F5-8186-78F5B6134E63@mines-paristech.fr> <9b408d8e1002160745n6aa8ef6g8ff4b9b8548f362a@mail.gmail.com> <4B7ACDC2.1020902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002160901q2d3091eam5228faa0a075e377@mail.gmail.com> arrrrrrrr! we be pirates o'er here, matey! bring yer plaid dresses n throw a few logs while we boot ya in the arse! 'illegal currency'. love it. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 16 12:03:54 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:03:54 -0800 Subject: socket error 54? Message-ID: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> I have a weird connection which drops my socket about 25MBs into a 34MB upload using libURL. The session transcript ends with: socket error |6927 Error 54 reading socket What is error 54? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 16 12:09:49 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:09:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: how to connect to a MSSQL server with Rev Linux? In-Reply-To: <00000909.4B7ACB4E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000909.4B7ACB4E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <1266340189570-1557636.post@n4.nabble.com> I think you use freetds http://www.freetds.org/ But more than that, how to do it, I don't know. You should be able to get freetds from the Suse software repositories if using Andre's CD. It is a series of command line utilities. How to use them, I don't know. Well, one more thought that might be useful to someone unfamiliar with Linux: if you can figure out how to do it from the Linux shell, you can do it from Rev. If its a single command it can just be passed from Rev to shell. If it takes a series of shell commands, they can be chained in a shell script, and that can be called from Rev. So if you can figure out some way how to do it from the shell, you are home free. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/how-to-connect-to-a-MSSQL-server-with-Rev-Linux-tp1557514p1557636.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 12:10:58 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:10:58 +0200 Subject: A kind of cooking utensil Message-ID: <4B7AD1A2.4090800@gmail.com> Wow; after all these years I finally found out what RunRev really is. That survey annoyed me because it asked me about a new (planned?) feature called 'revAcademy', and I indicated that I was not interested in the slightest, at which it fired endless questions at me about 'revAcademy' which would only be of any relevance had I shown initial interest in the thing. Cheesed-off of Plovdiv. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 16 12:16:39 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:16:39 +0100 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> Message-ID: <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> Hi Jim, > Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or >> even if >> that can be done. > > Besides other suggestions given, you can also use: > > If there is a stack "stackName" then... sorry, but this does not work as one might exspect! :-) If there is a stackfile "stackname.rev" in the defaultfolder then this will also resolve to true even if this stack is NOT open. > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 16 12:17:49 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:17:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: how to connect to a MSSQL server with Rev Linux? In-Reply-To: <00000909.4B7ACB4E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000909.4B7ACB4E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <1266340669519-1557653.post@n4.nabble.com> Looking at the synaptic offerings for microsoft sql, there are a couple more possibilities: There is a Perl module, libdi-perl, about which the comments say BI (DataBase Interface) is a Perl framework that provides a common interface to access various backend databases in a uniform manner. DBD (DataBase Driver) modules provide implementations for various backend data storage mechanisms including networked relational databases (particularly SQL databases) and even web services such as the Google search engine. It is extremely portable and available for a wide range of operating systems, architectures and data stores, including: * Oracle * Microsoft SQL Server * IBM DB2 * SQLite * PostgreSQL * Firebird * MySQL Then there is a package called sqsh, about which the comments say sqsh is a flexible commandline utility that uses the freetds libraries to connect to Sybase or Microsoft SQL servers. It is a useful debugging tool for identifying problems with other SQL applications, and it can be used as a productivity tool in its own right: unlike most SQL CLIs, sqsh's interactive shell lets you pipe the output of SQL queries directly to other Unix commands for further processing. Hope one of these is some use! Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/how-to-connect-to-a-MSSQL-server-with-Rev-Linux-tp1557514p1557653.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 12:42:37 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:42:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tRev] tRev Crashing? Message-ID: <1266342157216-1557681.post@n4.nabble.com> I just started trying to use tRev on win7 Ultimate. While it being very useful, it crashes about twice an hour and I have to save and completely exit Rev and re-open in order to get it back. Anyone else having this problem? Specs: Win7 ultimate revEnterprise tRev build 201 (the latest) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/tRev-tRev-Crashing-tp1557681p1557681.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 16 12:56:45 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:56:45 -0600 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <4B7ADC5D.6000301@hyperactivesw.com> Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Jim, > >> Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> >>> I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or >>> even if >>> that can be done. >> Besides other suggestions given, you can also use: >> >> If there is a stack "stackName" then... > > sorry, but this does not work as one might exspect! :-) > > If there is a stackfile "stackname.rev" in the defaultfolder then this will also resolve to true > even if this stack is NOT open. It will also return true if there is a substack with that name, whether it is open or not. Also it returns true if a stack has been closed but has its destroystack property set to false, in which case it is still in RAM though not open. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 16 13:02:14 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:02:14 +0100 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <4B7ADC5D.6000301@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> <4B7ADC5D.6000301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Am 16.02.2010 um 18:56 schrieb J. Landman Gay: > Klaus on-rev wrote: >> Hi Jim, >>> Andrew Kluthe wrote: >>> >>>> I need to check to see if a stack is open. Not sure of the syntax or >>>> even if >>>> that can be done. >>> Besides other suggestions given, you can also use: >>> >>> If there is a stack "stackName" then... >> sorry, but this does not work as one might exspect! :-) >> If there is a stackfile "stackname.rev" in the defaultfolder then this will also resolve to true >> even if this stack is NOT open. > > It will also return true if there is a substack with that name, whether it is open or not. Also it returns true if a stack has been closed but has its destroystack property set to false, in which case it is still in RAM though not open. YEP! All this and universal peace :-) > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 16 13:04:37 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:04:37 -0600 Subject: Stack message once all libs are loaded? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002160725j709830c3n3a86e07f28e07be0@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002160704xb19c996id1046c0742f92c10@mail.gmail.com> <34173.59922.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <963c86eb1002160725j709830c3n3a86e07f28e07be0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7ADE35.1010903@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Jan, > > I've tried that to no avail in the IDE. If that's meant to work then perhaps > I just have a bug where the message is getting eaten up by another control > somewhere along the way. You can't be sure the Rev libraries are fully loaded until after the embedded group they are in has received an openBackground message. To be safe, wait to call your handler until after the first card has opened. All startup messaging is completed at that point. You could use the opencard message on card 1 to set a flag (if you need to) and if that flag is false, do a "send myHandler" command to executes what you want to do. If you are trying to go to a URL before the stack can be seen, then on preOpenCard just set the visible of the stack to false, but let the messaging finish. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From josh at dvcreators.net Tue Feb 16 13:17:26 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:17:26 -0800 Subject: Behavior Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C6E52FE-84F3-485B-9E8A-7AC6F6880E4C@dvcreators.net> On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > It would seem using behaviors is more secure than temporarily removing > security from a stack. Is there a higher risk to setting the passkey of a protected stack? What is it? On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> >>> The reason for all the jumping through hoops here is password protection: I >>> need to be able to dynamically add and remove groups from the main stack, >>> and this can't happen if the stack is password protected. >> >> Doesn't setting the passkey of the stack allow you to add, delete, copy >> groups, etc.? > > One of the main benefits of behaviors, from the docs: > > "The button containing the behavior script can be located anywhere. In > particular this allows for it be located in a password protected stack, > allowing you to protect the script without need to protect the controls > using it." > > It would seem using behaviors is more secure than temporarily removing > security from a stack. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at free.fr Tue Feb 16 13:59:37 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:59:37 +0100 Subject: Connecting Stack to Remote On-Rev MySQL Database In-Reply-To: References: <939922.60991.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7691829F-CAFC-47C5-8015-6248BCC3BACF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Good to know. Thanks. Le 16 f?vr. 10 ? 17:09, stephen barncard a ?crit : >> >> localhost databases accesses only > > > Not true... otherwise it would be impossible to use apps like > Navicat or a > Rev MySQL-based project remotely. All you need to do is to open up the > available IPs -- On-Rev MySQL will work with to your fixed IP or a > wild card > %. -- Of course that is with less security for the connection, > plain text > and all. > > > >> at least... As long as i know, the on-rev security model is set to >> allow >> localhost databases accesses only and it's fine soo. >> >> Best, >> >> P. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 16 14:07:48 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:07:48 -1000 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <015d01caaf3b$549f2e90$fddd8bb0$@com> Klaus wrote: > sorry, but this does not work as one might exspect! :-) > > If there is a stackfile "stackname.rev" in the defaultfolder then this > will also resolve to true > even if this stack is NOT open. Interesting. Just did some testing on this and you are correct! What is also interesting is that it only resolves to true if the file name is the same as what you are testing for (on PC, irrespective of the extension). So, the statement "if there is a stack "Test"..." If the file name is "Test" (regardless of if the extension is .rev, .xx, or no extension) and it is a stack with a name of "Test2" it will still resolve to true. But, if the file name is "Test2" and the stack name is "Test", it will resolve to false. And, as you say, only if the file is in the defaultFolder. There is something "wrong" with this. ;-) I guess I have never run across this because, when in the IDE, the Rev folder is the defaultFolder and in a standalone the standalone folder is the defaultFolder and I never put any other stacks in either of these. And, when I do change the defaultFolder, for example, for a "files" command, I always change it back to where it was before the handler exits. I learn something new every day. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 16 14:23:59 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:23:59 -1000 Subject: Calling handlers on different stacks. In-Reply-To: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <016a01caaf3d$9772a7e0$c657f7a0$@com> Andrew, > Another silly question that I don't quite get. > > Calling handlers located on Stack1 from Stack2. > > Code in stack 2: > > > start using stack "Stack1" > > PopulateListOnFilter --Handler on Stack1 > > stop using stack "Stack1" > > How do I call PopulateListOnFilter on stack1 from stack 2? I just want to make sure that you understand that *call* is only necessary to call a handler that is not in the message path. Also, *start using* is for libraries. Otherwise you use *open*. However, if you *start using* a library stack, this inserts that stack into the message path and so there is no need to use *call* to execute any handlers in that stack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 16 14:32:23 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:32:23 -0600 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <015d01caaf3b$549f2e90$fddd8bb0$@com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> <015d01caaf3b$549f2e90$fddd8bb0$@com> Message-ID: <4B7AF2C7.1030800@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > If the file name is "Test" (regardless of if the extension is .rev, .xx, or > no extension) and it is a stack with a name of "Test2" it will still resolve > to true. But, if the file name is "Test2" and the stack name is "Test", it > will resolve to false. And, as you say, only if the file is in the > defaultFolder. There is something "wrong" with this. ;-) If you check for "is a stack", Rev will check the stack name (and I think it also opens it, like it does stacks in use, but don't quote me on that.) If you check for "is a file", Rev will only check the file name and the stack is not opened. Now, why checking "is a stack" is giving you true with only the file name matching seems odd at first. But it may have to do with a change that took place some years ago, when it became possible to refer to a stack in scripts interchangeably by either its stack name or its file name. So the engine must be checking both and returning true if there is a match in either place. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 16 14:41:02 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:41:02 -0600 Subject: ANN: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7AF4CE.9060602@hyperactivesw.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > A couple screenshots so you can get a feel for the user interface: > > http://massj.on-rev.com/downloads/Newsfeeder_Screenshot.png > http://massj.on-rev.com/downloads/Newsfeeder_Screenshot_2.png I finally got a moment to look at these. Gorgeous. It is difficult for me to believe that you have only been using Rev for such a short time. The functionality and beauty of the interface is really astounding. There was a whole thread here a few years back on how to do those accordian-type controls, and it looks like you've accomplished it without any hints at all. Very nice. I'll look forward to seeing the other 20% when you're done. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 16 15:05:00 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:05:00 -1000 Subject: Stack open? In-Reply-To: <4B7AF2C7.1030800@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1266331023225-1557396.post@n4.nabble.com> <014b01caaf23$65b35c50$311a14f0$@com> <9096830E-3295-4D89-B5A0-CA9707BD787B@major.on-rev.com> <015d01caaf3b$549f2e90$fddd8bb0$@com> <4B7AF2C7.1030800@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <016b01caaf43$52c23790$f846a6b0$@com> Jacque wrote: > If you check for "is a stack", Rev will check the stack name (and I > think it also opens it, like it does stacks in use, but don't quote me > on that.) If you check for "is a file", Rev will only check the file > name and the stack is not opened. It does not "appear" to be opening the stack because I had also tested for this by setting the *purge stack* property of the *Test* stack to false and running the *if there is a stack "Test"* (which returned true) and then opening the stack "Test" and I didn't get the "Stack is in memory, do I want to purge, etc." dialog. > Now, why checking "is a stack" is giving you true with only the file > name matching seems odd at first. But it may have to do with a change > that took place some years ago, when it became possible to refer to a > stack in scripts interchangeably by either its stack name or its file > name. So the engine must be checking both and returning true if there > is > a match in either place. Yes, but it appears that it only first tries to match the stack filename, which makes sense, because I, for one, would not appreciate if there were 100 stacks in a folder, along with non-stack files, if rev checked every file to determine if it was a stack file or not. Then it appears to not open it but just check if the file is a stack file. I had tested this also by renaming a readme.txt file to *Test* and it retuned false. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 15:10:10 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:10:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. Message-ID: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> Ok, I made an Database object, I made a connection object. Do I have to dbobject_reloadSchema before I can do this? on PopulateListOnFilter local tLeaseList, tSQL, tConditions put sqlquery_createObject("tlease") into theQueryA put "Type is" && gType && "and ActiveLease is" && gLeaseStatus into tConditions sqlquery_set theQueryA, "conditions", tConditions sqlquery_retrieveAsArray theQueryA, theDataA put the result into theError if theError is empty then set the dgText [false] of group "LeaseGrid" to theDataA esle answer "Error Populat Leases:" && theError end if end PopulateListOnFilter It says it cannot find the table or a query template 'tlease'. When I do reloadSchema, the plugin doesn't list all of my tables (there are MANY MANY in here because of the different views for reporting). When I copy and paste the schema listed in the plugin it cannot find "tlease" at all in it. Is there a table limit to SQL Yoga? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SQL-Yoga-Trying-to-get-started-tp1557873p1557873.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 16 15:22:36 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:22:36 -0500 Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Ok, I made an Database object, I made a connection object. Do I have > to > dbobject_reloadSchema before I can do this? The very first time SQL Yoga connects to your db it will import the schema. You only need to call dbobject_reloadSchema if you later change the db schema. A lesson with some more info/visuals here: Introduction to the Database Object and Database Schema: > on PopulateListOnFilter > local tLeaseList, tSQL, tConditions > > put sqlquery_createObject("tlease") into theQueryA > put "Type is" && gType && "and ActiveLease is" && gLeaseStatus into > tConditions > sqlquery_set theQueryA, "conditions", tConditions > sqlquery_retrieveAsArray theQueryA, theDataA Another way to do the conditions that might be more readable: sqlquery_set theQueryA, "conditions", "Type is :1 and ActiveLease is : 2", gType, gLeaseStatus Basically you define placeholders and then pass in the values starting with param 4. See sqlquery_set docs for more info: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/docs/sql_yoga/api_docs/Documents/stack_libSQLYoga_command_sqlquery_set.htm > put the result into theError > if theError is empty then > set the dgText [false] of group "LeaseGrid" to theDataA > esle > answer "Error Populat Leases:" && theError > end if > end PopulateListOnFilter > > It says it cannot find the table or a query template 'tlease'. > > When I do reloadSchema, the plugin doesn't list all of my tables > (there are > MANY MANY in here because of the different views for reporting). > When I copy > and paste the schema listed in the plugin it cannot find "tlease" at > all in > it. > > Is there a table limit to SQL Yoga? There isn't a table limit but only tables returned by revDatabaseTableNames are currently imported. Perhaps revDatabaseTableNames doesn't list views? What db are you using and is tlease a table or view? I can always update the importer code if revDatabaseTableNames isn't working properly. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 15:41:44 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:41:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> I get that the schema only needs loaded once. The tlease is just a table (designated by the t in front of it). It just seems like only a small part of the schema is getting loaded into the object. I am going to try thinning the database out to see if i can get tlease to load. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SQL-Yoga-Trying-to-get-started-tp1557873p1557911.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 16 15:47:24 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:47:24 -0500 Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I get that the schema only needs loaded once. > > The tlease is just a table (designated by the t in front of it). It > just > seems like only a small part of the schema is getting loaded into the > object. I am going to try thinning the database out to see if i can > get > tlease to load. Can you try calling revDatabaseTableNames and see if RevDB is returning the table name? put revDatabaseTableNames (dbconn_get("connection id")) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 15:51:01 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:51:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266353461231-1557923.post@n4.nabble.com> Can't find handler? Message execution error: Error description: Handler: can't find handler -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SQL-Yoga-Trying-to-get-started-tp1557873p1557923.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 16 15:55:05 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:55:05 -0500 Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <1266353461231-1557923.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266353461231-1557923.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9F14BF41-ADC0-4CA8-B77D-DB51419EF56D@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Can't find handler? Take the space out between Names and the "(": put revDatabaseTableNames(dbconn_get("connection id")) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 15:58:20 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:58:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <9F14BF41-ADC0-4CA8-B77D-DB51419EF56D@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266353461231-1557923.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F14BF41-ADC0-4CA8-B77D-DB51419EF56D@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <1266353900108-1557930.post@n4.nabble.com> exportgpsasset exportgpsfields exportgpsnames listassets listcropyearcurrent listdeltermgrain listfieldscurrent listfieldscurrentlease listfsafarms listnamescdl listnamesemployee listnamesemployeeshipper listnamesfarmmanager listnamesgrainbuyer listnamesgrainhauler listnameslandowner listnameslandownerfarmmanager listnamesloanborower listnamesloanlender listnamesoperator listnamesownerasset listnamesownercorp listnamesshipper listnamessupplier listnamestenant listnamestenantemployee listnamesvendors listreadychisel listreadychiselsummary listreadyfert listreadyharvest listreadylime listreadynh3 listtechfieldswochisel listtechfieldswofert listtechfieldswoharvest listtechfieldswolime listtechfieldswonh3 lookupassetsreid lookupassetssemitrucks lookupassetstrailers lookupgrainerrors lookupgrainit lookupgrainunallocatedit lookupgrainunallocatedtickets lookupopenreleaseno rptassetbillofsale rptassetbinrent rptassetpayments rptfieldgisleaseacres rptfsa1026afarminginterest rptfsa509signup rptfsa578signup rptgraincontract rptgraincontractopenbu rptgraincontractreportdeliveredbu rptgrainitgraintickets rptgrainitunallocated rptgrainticketsnotallocated rptgrainticketsrecon rptinventoryamountsummary rptinventoryinvoices rptinventoryproductsummary rptleaserate rptleasesubbindescription rptleasesubbinrent rptleasesubbinrentinstallments rptleasesubfixedrent rptleasesubfixedrentsumacres rptleasesublanddescription rptleasesublessee rptleasesublessor rptleasesubrentinstallments rptleasesubsignatures rptloandetails rptnameswebid rptsubleaserateacres rptsubleaseratedollars rptwochiselcompletedsummary rptwofertcompletedsummary rptwoharvestcompletedsummary rptwolimecompletedsummary rptwonh3completeacres rptwonh3completedsummary rptwonh3pctcomplete rptwonh3totalacres tassets tassetscategory tassetsdepre tassetsdepremethod tassetsfuel tassetsinsclass tassetsinslimits tassetsinspolicy tassetsinspolicydetails tassetsinspolicyinvoice tassetsmake tassetspayments tassetsstatus tassetstype tfleet tfleetdispatch tfleetlogsdetails tfsa tfsaform156ez tfsaform156ezdetails tfsaform156ezhels tfsaform156ezwls tfsaform509 tfsaform509b tfsaform578 tfsaform578details tfsatransactionstmnts tfsatransactionstmntspaymentdesc tfsatransactionstmntsprogram tgabugs tgatodo tgrnbininsp tgrnbinlevel tgrncontracts tgrncontractstype tgrngrades tgrnintransit tgrnintransitmanual tgrnloandetails tgrnloandetailsqty tgrntickets thrcontactus thremploymentapp ticketnumberfix tinventory Anything without a t is a view. This is a mySQL db. This is definately not all of my tables. no tables past tinventory get loaded. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SQL-Yoga-Trying-to-get-started-tp1557873p1557930.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 16:06:42 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:06:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266354402110-1557942.post@n4.nabble.com> I cut all of the views out of my DB and got tlease to show up. Now I'm getting this error. line: 1438 of libSQLYoga Application error: 66,677,9 66,677,9 83,677,9 83,677,9,Handler: running low on memory, script aborted. 465,677,1 hmmmm. Is this a problem with my system or my db? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/SQL-Yoga-Trying-to-get-started-tp1557873p1557942.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Tue Feb 16 16:06:40 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:06:40 +0100 Subject: A kind of cooking utensil In-Reply-To: <4B7AD1A2.4090800@gmail.com> References: <4B7AD1A2.4090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06EBD4A1-A530-42D9-B063-2AE0F24D4A0B@mines-paristech.fr> I have attended a few "acad?mies" in my twenties. These where places where, for a small price, you could make more or less elaborate drawings of a live (and naked, and, mostly, female) model. There was a small heating engine close to the model to help her staying still long enough for the public to do the drawing. Unfortunately, the course of my studies (not to mention marriage) took me away from these artistic activities. cheers Fran?ois Le 16 f?vr. 2010 ? 18:10, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > Wow; after all these years I finally found out what RunRev really is. > > That survey annoyed me because it asked me about a new (planned?) feature called > > 'revAcademy', and I indicated that I was not interested in the slightest, at which it > fired endless questions at me about 'revAcademy' which would only be of any > relevance had I shown initial interest in the thing. > > Cheesed-off of Plovdiv. From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 16 16:17:31 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:17:31 -1000 Subject: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <017e01caaf4d$73b8e480$5b2aad80$@com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Current feature set: > > * Can read RSS, FEED (ATOM), and RDF news feeds. > * Strips out extraneous HTML markup from descriptions. > * Share headlines via email, Twitter, Blogger, Digg, Reddit, and > Facebook > * Headline filtering (search) as-you-type > * Unique "tagging" feature to quickly sort and navigate subscriptions > * QuickTime/media support for podcast audio and video > > There's several other features that I'm working on as well, but don't > want to discuss them in case they don't make the final cut for version > 1.0. > > Any thoughts/comments very much appreciated. Thanks! Very nice looking Jeffrey. Will it have automatic filtering as in if an article/post doesn't have this word/phrase or that word/phrase or another word/phrase in either the headline or body, then throw it away? Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 16:38:25 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:38:25 -0600 Subject: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <017e01caaf4d$73b8e480$5b2aad80$@com> References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> <017e01caaf4d$73b8e480$5b2aad80$@com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002161338w56e14eb6l5bed2cf8d66410d5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Jeffrey Massung wrote: > > > Any thoughts/comments very much appreciated. Thanks! > > Very nice looking Jeffrey. Will it have automatic filtering as in if an > article/post doesn't have this word/phrase or that word/phrase or another > word/phrase in either the headline or body, then throw it away? > > Jim, Yes. That's the idea. For example, if you were had a lot of news feeds, and typed "iran" into filter area, the only headlines that would appear would be those that had Iran somewhere in the title or body of the headline. You can, of course, clear the filter as well and see all the headlines, too. In the status bar it would say something to the effect of "2 headline(s), 28 filtered" after parsing a feed. The filter acts as a logic AND per word; all the search words need to appear in the headline (title or body) or it will be filtered. If the word begins with "-" then the term is a negation and the headline will be filtered if the search term does appear in it. Again, for those of you who use RSS regularly, I'd be interested in knowing what features are important to you... and better still, what is lacking from the current reader you use. Thanks for the compliments, everyone. Jeff M. From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue Feb 16 16:51:26 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:51:26 -0600 Subject: [tRev] tRev Crashing? In-Reply-To: <1266342157216-1557681.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266342157216-1557681.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <73FF1F41-0A49-4AF6-B0E7-DE450EA5C478@me.com> Andrew, It might be a faulty install. Quit tRev, quit Rev and then launch tRev and immediately thereafter hold down the alt key. This will force a fresh install. It's possible that there might also be an issue with an IP utility, firewall, etc. that interferes with updates. Rare, but it happens and we can deal with it. Email me, and if we need to, I can send you a fresh version that doesn't require updating. That way we can eliminate the possible causes. jerry at reveditor.com Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > I just started trying to use tRev on win7 Ultimate. While it being > very > useful, it crashes about twice an hour and I have to save and > completely > exit Rev and re-open in order to get it back. > > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Specs: > Win7 ultimate > revEnterprise > tRev build 201 (the latest) > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/tRev-tRev-Crashing-tp1557681p1557681.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 17:07:05 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:07:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tRev] tRev Crashing? In-Reply-To: <73FF1F41-0A49-4AF6-B0E7-DE450EA5C478@me.com> References: <1266342157216-1557681.post@n4.nabble.com> <73FF1F41-0A49-4AF6-B0E7-DE450EA5C478@me.com> Message-ID: <1266358025040-1558010.post@n4.nabble.com> I did the fresh install and I will reportback when and if I get another crash. thanks! Andrew Kluthe -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/tRev-tRev-Crashing-tp1557681p1558010.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:09:12 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:09:12 +1000 Subject: ANN: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Well, this is really a half announcement. I've been working on this in my spare time now for about a month, and have it somewhere - I'd guess - around 80% ready for release. I'm posting a couple screenshots here, telling you about a few of the features, and (for have those of you who use RSS readers) hoping you'll give me what your general impressions, etc. > > Newsfeeder is designed to be easy and minimalistic. It's not intended to be a "remember every headline I've ever read from any feed... ever" like a newsgroup/usenet reader (which is what most RSS readers do). It is also not intended to display HTML pages, as opposed to giving you a very quick overview of headlines so you only have to go to web pages that really interest you. Looks very neat Jeff. My only suggestion would be to allow people to set the font and font size. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:12:18 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:12:18 +1000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I have a weird connection which drops my socket about 25MBs into a 34MB > upload using libURL. > > The session transcript ends with: > socket error |6927 > Error 54 reading socket > > What is error 54? "Connection reset by peer". But does peer mean the server or your app? Is it a timeout thing? Cheers, Sarah From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 16 17:20:32 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:20:32 -0800 Subject: socket error 54? Message-ID: <4B7B1A30.1080809@fourthworld.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> I have a weird connection which drops my socket about 25MBs into a 34MB >> upload using libURL. >> >> The session transcript ends with: >> socket error |6927 >> Error 54 reading socket >> >> What is error 54? > > "Connection reset by peer". > > But does peer mean the server or your app? > Is it a timeout thing? Thanks, Sarah. FWIW, I've found that I can upload the file to the same server without difficulty at home, it's only here in the office that the connection times out. I think it may be a router thang, but I've reviewed those settings and I can't turn up anything that seems relevant. But oddly enough, I find that I can upload the same file to Dreamhost without difficulty; it's only with Bluehost that I have this issue. :( -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From alex at tweedly.net Tue Feb 16 17:28:28 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:28:28 +0000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B7B1C0C.9070500@tweedly.net> Richard Gaskin wrote: > I have a weird connection which drops my socket about 25MBs into a > 34MB upload using libURL. > > The session transcript ends with: > socket error |6927 > Error 54 reading socket > > What is error 54? Error 54, sometimes known as 10054 or sometimes as 20054 is a hard one to deal with. It means: Connection reset. (i.e. by the other guy) - i.e. you receiveed a reset (RST) packet. > Connection reset by peer. > > An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. > This normally results if the peer application on the remote host > is suddenly stopped, the host is rebooted, the host or remote > network interface is disabled, or the remote host uses a hard > close (see *setsockopt* > > for more information on the SO_LINGER option on the remote > socket). This error may also result if a connection was broken due > to keep-alive activity detecting a failure while one or more > operations are in progress. Operations that were in progress fail > with WSAENETRESET. Subsequent operations fail with WSAECONNRESET. > Can also happen if you go over a policy limit on uploads, or similar. -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Tue Feb 16 17:30:07 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:30:07 +0000 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> Mike Kerner wrote: > Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the hell - > oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? > > As other have said, two weeks. > Sorry, over here in the colonies we don't use such hooey. > > Sure you do. VMS (i.e. DEC systems, based in Mass) were well known for the joke of having timings defined in microfortnights (pretty close to one second). -- Alex. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Tue Feb 16 17:35:34 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:35:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users In-Reply-To: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> References: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1266359734167-1558042.post@n4.nabble.com> Added my humble little placemarker. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/OT-Where-do-you-live-world-map-of-runrev-users-tp1557291p1558042.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alex at tweedly.net Tue Feb 16 17:38:30 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:38:30 +0000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <4B7B1A30.1080809@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7B1A30.1080809@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B7B1E66.5060008@tweedly.net> Richard Gaskin wrote: > >>> What is error 54? >> >> "Connection reset by peer". >> >> But does peer mean the server or your app? >> Is it a timeout thing? > It is the server. Can be a timeout, can be policy, can be timeout induced by rate-limiting, can be ... darn hard to figure out :-( > Thanks, Sarah. > > FWIW, I've found that I can upload the file to the same server without > difficulty at home, it's only here in the office that the connection > times out. > > I think it may be a router thang, but I've reviewed those settings and > I can't turn up anything that seems relevant. > > But oddly enough, I find that I can upload the same file to Dreamhost > without difficulty; it's only with Bluehost that I have this issue. > > :( btw - in my other email, I said it meant that you had received a RST packet; that's normally the cause, but that's not the *only* way it can happen. Does it happen every time ? At the same point in the file ? Are you using same machine in both locations ? Same App, OS, etc. ? From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:47:17 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:47:17 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002160810o4d25a48bs50397529e55bbffd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7A2FD4.2050804@fourthworld.com> <8FE78C9D-9D56-489E-A2F9-AEC2D8B797BD@gmail.com> <963c86eb1002160810o4d25a48bs50397529e55bbffd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21A78499-77D6-4BC7-80AC-C4552ED2A97E@gmail.com> OK, now this is weird. All of a sudden, my stack menu is scrolling automatically when I move the mouse down to the bottom. And if the menu is short and I move the stack way down, the menu pops up above the button to display fully instead of trying to appear below the button where it would be cut off by the lower edge of the screen -- ie, it's working the way a menu is supposed to. As though suddenly something in the Rev engine decided to start using the proper system calls. Whatever the reason, I'm very happy, as I need no tweaking at all. I only worry about this behavior coming and going in the future. I thought maybe when it was misbehaving earlier I could have been running it with Rev 3.5 instead of 4.0, which is my default. (I occasionally have to use 3.5 to avoid the spinning beachball of death on opening 4.0 at one of my sites, where apparently Rev thinks it has a wireless internet connection but it doesn't.) However, I just tested the stack menu under 3.5 and 4.0, and it works properly under both versions, so that's not it. Mark, you said in your initial response that you had the "same problem." Do you still have it? What are others seeing? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Peter Brigham MD > wrote: > >> >> Yes, I put this in the stack script and it works fine with the >> stack at >> toplevel. What I may do is have a "more..." menuitem/button at the >> bottom of >> the popup list when the list gets long, and use that to toplevel >> the stack >> so it can be scrolled. >> >> > You could also get the same behavior by watching where the mouseLoc > is. If > the mouse is hovering at - say, the bottom of the monitor screen > (the bottom > 95% or so), then keep scrolling the stack until the user moves the > mouse up > higher. > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 16 17:52:00 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:52:00 -0500 Subject: constantMask not working on Windows Message-ID: <711ACEBD-0974-410B-966C-C9A34D7E27C6@mac.com> I have some gifs in revWeb weblets that have an anomaly due to photoshops compression of animated gifs. I used the constant mask on these and it works in safari on the Mac but not in safari/ie etc. on Windows. Has anyone come up with any workarounds? Is there a better Mac software to create or open/save the gifs in to fix this? Use PNGs - I know, I know.... But the artist has given me these files and I'd like to not bother him if possible. Thanks in advance, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html From jim at visitrieve.com Tue Feb 16 18:18:18 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:18:18 -1000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <4B7B1C0C.9070500@tweedly.net> References: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> <4B7B1C0C.9070500@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <018801caaf5e$53b073e0$fb115ba0$@com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > > What is error 54? > Error 54, sometimes known as 10054 or sometimes as 20054 is a hard one > to deal with. It means: Connection reset. (i.e. by the other guy) - When I first saw the post by Richard, I wondered, because I have seen and trap for errors like 10053 (connection to server dropped) and 10061 (no server available on this port), etc. in my *ON socketError pSocket, pError* handler. But, I had not seen an error of just 53 or 54 or... (or at least I didn't think I had). Alex, Any way of knowing if an error is going to be reported as 10054, 20054 or just 54? What generates this socket error number? Rev? The platform? The server? It makes a difference to my switch statement. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From capellan2000 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 18:21:19 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:21:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: constantMask not working on Windows In-Reply-To: <711ACEBD-0974-410B-966C-C9A34D7E27C6@mac.com> References: <711ACEBD-0974-410B-966C-C9A34D7E27C6@mac.com> Message-ID: <1266362479317-1558072.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Tom, To solve this problem, i have used GIMP to convert gif animations: Open your animation in Gimp and click on menu Filters> Animation> Unoptimize Save the animation with a new name. UnOptimize removes some of the optimizations that compression and encoding add to gif files. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/constantMask-not-working-on-Windows-tp1558057p1558072.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 16 18:37:35 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:37:35 -0800 Subject: stack menu Message-ID: <4B7B2C3F.5070600@fourthworld.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > OK, now this is weird. All of a sudden, my stack menu is scrolling > automatically when I move the mouse down to the bottom. And if the > menu is short and I move the stack way down, the menu pops up above > the button to display fully instead of trying to appear below the > button where it would be cut off by the lower edge of the screen -- > ie, it's working the way a menu is supposed to. As though suddenly > something in the Rev engine decided to start using the proper system > calls. Whatever the reason, I'm very happy, as I need no tweaking at > all. I only worry about this behavior coming and going in the future. In my experience stack menus work perfectly UNLESS the height of the stack being poppsed up is greater than the monitor height. AFAIK Rev truncates stack rendering to the largest possible size, which will be within the monitor bounds. But of course some popup stacks may exceed that, so while that limit doesn't affect most things it becomes an error with popup stacks. If your stack that's popping up properly is taller than your monitor it would be good to know, so I can update the notes in my bug report. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 16 19:08:05 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:08:05 -0800 Subject: socket error 54? Message-ID: <4B7B3365.2070505@fourthworld.com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>>> What is error 54? >>> >>> "Connection reset by peer". >>> >>> But does peer mean the server or your app? >>> Is it a timeout thing? >> > It is the server. Can be a timeout, can be policy, can be timeout > induced by rate-limiting, can be ... darn hard to figure out :-( >> Thanks, Sarah. >> >> FWIW, I've found that I can upload the file to the same server without >> difficulty at home, it's only here in the office that the connection >> times out. >> >> I think it may be a router thang, but I've reviewed those settings and >> I can't turn up anything that seems relevant. >> >> But oddly enough, I find that I can upload the same file to Dreamhost >> without difficulty; it's only with Bluehost that I have this issue. > > btw - in my other email, I said it meant that you had received a RST > packet; that's normally the cause, but that's not the *only* way it can > happen. > > Does it happen every time ? > At the same point in the file ? > Are you using same machine in both locations ? Same App, OS, etc. ? It does not appear to be the exact same point in the file; IIRC it varies by a couple MBs. I've tried it with Interarchy and a custom Rev-based FTP client, with the same results: At home, using cable: Bluehost succeeds, and Dreamhost succeeds At the office, w/DSL: Bluehost fails, while Dreamhost succeeds BH Tech Support tells me that they have no imposed limit on their end, but given that I have no problem with DH I'm inclined to think there's something funky with BH (well, something *else* funky, in addition to a long-standing issue with server log configuration, but that's a whole other story). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 19:15:25 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:15:25 +0900 Subject: inconsistent font setting behaviour Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002161615u3c6bb272od17a769132e3cda5@mail.gmail.com> A standalone is having problems displaying font sizes and lineheight. It's running on six computers of mine -- all Win2K, all the same PC maker (Dell) and all bearing the same or very similar model number (Optiplex GX240/260, with version numbers and date of manufacturer slightly different). I also used Windows' "Textpad" to confirm that the required fonts are installed in and accessible by all 6 machines. Here's the problem. Only half of the machines display the text of the standalone as expected. In the others the text in the various fields is not visible. (Again, the machines' maker and model numbers are nigh the same.) So, to fix this, at first I tried adjusting the default font-related settings of the stack and the card. But, no change. So, next, to get more details about what's happening behind the scenes, I re-worked the stack to include buttons that allow me to fine-adjust font size, lineheight and font name of the various fields. By nudging the text settings up and down this way, the text in fields will appear or disappear depending on the fine-adjustment. It seems to depend on the odd/even nature of the textsize/lineheigh number. Also, even though the text is set to be centered, when it appears it does so as if it were right-adjusted. In fact, the smaller the width of the field, the more difficult it is to get the text in that field to appear using the fine-adjustments. Finally, even if I change the fontname, the look of the font in all of the text fields remains unchanged. As I say though, the weird thing is that on three of the other near-similar PCs, the standalone's text appears exactly as expected. Any thoughts or similar experiences? Thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Tue Feb 16 19:23:24 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:23:24 +0000 Subject: Re-2: how to connect to a MSSQL server with Rev Linux? Message-ID: <0000090A.4B7B450B@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Peter, thank you very much. I will look at all your recommendations. Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: how to connect to a MSSQL server with Rev Linux? (16-Feb-2010 18:19) From: Peter Alcibiades To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > Looking at the synaptic offerings for microsoft sql, there are a couple > more > possibilities: > > There is a Perl module, libdi-perl, about which the comments say > > BI (DataBase Interface) is a Perl framework that provides a common > interface > to access various backend databases in a uniform manner. DBD (DataBase > Driver) > modules provide implementations for various backend data storage mechanisms > including networked relational databases (particularly SQL databases) and > even > web services such as the Google search engine. > > It is extremely portable and available for a wide range of operating > systems, > architectures and data stores, including: > > * Oracle > * Microsoft SQL Server > * IBM DB2 > * SQLite > * PostgreSQL > * Firebird > * MySQL > > Then there is a package called sqsh, about which the comments say > > sqsh is a flexible commandline utility that uses the freetds libraries > to connect to Sybase or Microsoft SQL servers. It is a useful debugging > tool for identifying problems with other SQL applications, and it can be > used as a productivity tool in its own right: unlike most SQL CLIs, sqsh's > interactive shell lets you pipe the output of SQL queries directly to other > Unix commands for further processing. > > Hope one of these is some use! > > Peter > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/how-to-connect-to-a- > MSSQL-server-with-Rev-Linux-tp1557514p1557653.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 16 20:05:59 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:05:59 -0800 Subject: inconsistent font setting behaviour In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002161615u3c6bb272od17a769132e3cda5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > A standalone is having problems displaying font sizes and lineheight. > > ... even if I change the fontname, the look of the font in all of > the text fields remains unchanged. > > As I say though, the weird thing is that on three of the other > near-similar PCs, the standalone's text appears exactly as expected. > > Any thoughts or similar experiences? Definitely similar experience, but when opening on different platforms. There are (at least) a couple of things to try. If all your fields employ the same formatting, make sure you have all text properties of each field set to empty, remove any formatting from the actual text in each field, and apply the textFont/Size/Height properties you want to the card in which the fields appear. Also, in your startup routine, explicitly set the textFont/Size/Height of the card to what you want via script. The theory is that the fields will inherit their text settings from the card. You can see this in action by starting with some new label fields, for example, and adjusting the card's text properties -- the text in the label fields should update appropriately. If the text in your fields is not updating when changing the card's text properties, you either have field-specific text properties applied, or you have text-level formatting applied within the fields. Alternatively, you can try cycling through all fields at startup and explicitly setting your font properties to each field, or the text within each field, as needed. Hope this helps -- I've fought a bunch of battles with text recently and had to go the explicit route at startup. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 20:45:42 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:45:42 +0900 Subject: inconsistent font setting behaviour In-Reply-To: References: <1e91b2b71002161615u3c6bb272od17a769132e3cda5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002161745j1c89cedfn4d4ce4474b4583e0@mail.gmail.com> Scott, Thank you. I'll try your advice. But if you wouldn't mind explaining a bit more the following distinction you made: > have all text properties of each field set to empty, > remove any formatting from the actual text in each field, I understand how to set text properties to empty, but I am not sure what "removing formatting from text" means? -- Nicolas Cueto From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Feb 16 21:06:34 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:06:34 -0600 Subject: ANN: StackRunner 2.0 Now Available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/16/10 8:13 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > Ken, > > > Congrats! Thanks for doing this! > > Can I include StackRunner in that Linux distribution that I am building? Absolutely! I'd be honored... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 16 21:16:57 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:16:57 -0500 Subject: constantMask not working on Windows In-Reply-To: <1266362479317-1558072.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <711ACEBD-0974-410B-966C-C9A34D7E27C6@mac.com> <1266362479317-1558072.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Alejandro, I suspect you are right about the optimizing. I will be trying this tomorrow. let you know how it turns out. Thanks Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > To solve this problem, i have used GIMP to convert > gif animations: > > Open your animation in Gimp and click > on menu Filters> Animation> Unoptimize > > Save the animation with a new name. > > UnOptimize removes some of the optimizations that > compression and encoding add to gif files. > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/constantMask-not-working-on-Windows-tp1558057p1558072.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 16 21:33:08 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:33:08 -0800 Subject: inconsistent font setting behaviour In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002161745j1c89cedfn4d4ce4474b4583e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > But if you wouldn't mind explaining a bit more the following > distinction you made: > >> have all text properties of each field set to empty, >> remove any formatting from the actual text in each field, > > I understand how to set text properties to empty, but I am not sure > what "removing formatting from text" means? You can format text within a field independently of the text properties applied to the field itself. For example, if you set the textColor of one character of text in a field to red, changing the textColor of the field itself will not change the color of the red character. Formatting text within a field changes the htmlText of the field, which can override text formatting applied to the field object itself. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 21:51:03 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:51:03 +0900 Subject: inconsistent font setting behaviour In-Reply-To: References: <1e91b2b71002161745j1c89cedfn4d4ce4474b4583e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002161851s78866bcbrf4cb4411345fbd0a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again Scott. I've now tried your advice on my computer here (tho not yet on the problem PCs). Good news and bad news. The good news is the font sizes change. The bad is the line height. I fiddled with textHeight and even individual field objects' fixedLineHeight true/false. But no change in line height. Just a brief flicker, and then things continue to look the same. I thought fixedLineHeight settings might be the problem. So I tried true/false for thisk, plus tried variations of scriptline arrangement. For example, these variations: on mouseUp put the textHeight of this card into tNewTextHeight add 1 to tNewTextHeight set the textHeight of this card to tNewTextHeight end mouseUp on mouseUp put the textHeight of this card into tNewTextHeight add 1 to tNewTextHeight set the fixedLineHeight of field "x" to false set the textHeight of this card to tNewTextHeight wait 1 second set the fixedLineHeight of field "x" to true end mouseUp on mouseUp put the textHeight of this card into tNewTextHeight add 1 to tNewTextHeight set the textHeight of this card to tNewTextHeight wait 1 second set the fixedLineHeight of field "x" to false set the fixedLineHeight of field "x" to true end mouseUp Why might lineheight be a problem here? -- Nicolas Cueto From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:47:43 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:47:43 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <4B7B2C3F.5070600@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7B2C3F.5070600@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > In my experience stack menus work perfectly UNLESS the height of the > stack being poppsed up is greater than the monitor height. > > AFAIK Rev truncates stack rendering to the largest possible size, > which will be within the monitor bounds. But of course some popup > stacks may exceed that, so while that limit doesn't affect most > things it becomes an error with popup stacks. > > If your stack that's popping up properly is taller than your monitor > it would be good to know, so I can update the notes in my bug report. Ah. I'll try to get some time tomorrow to try it with stackheight > screenheight. I'll let you know. Do you know *when* Rev does the truncation? I've had a problem with certain printing stacks -- loaded up invisible or offscreen with formatted text fields then printed with "print card from x1,y1 to x2,y2 into pRect". I would show them to debug & tweak the text formatting, and then I ran into the problem that the stack height was clipped at the lower edge of the screen. I took to resizing them every time just before printing, but your info here makes me think that it was the screen rendering before displaying them that was doing that. Is the clipping done when buffering to the screen? Does it happen if the stack is opened visible at loc -1000,-1000? Does it happen if opened invisible at the screenloc? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 00:36:21 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:36:21 +0800 Subject: ANN: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > Looks very neat Jeff. My only suggestion would be to allow people to > set the font and font size. > Jeff, I'm not a big RSS users so take my suggestion with a grain of salt, but I notice all bar one Title is truncated and for the TEDTalks, three truncate the presenters name and the fourth is completely missing. I like TEDTalks and the presenters name could be a deciding factor in my decision to follow the link (I realise it does appear in the text, but skimming headlines is what RSS is all about). I'd have a look at moving the date down to the bottom line - the one reserved for Links and link icons. That way you could maximise the width of the Title field. I notice also that currently your bottom line is occasionally blank, so a complete waste of space, so placing the Date down there could add to the symmetry. Also, if you follow Sarah's suggestion of making Font and Font Size user configurable, having the top line dedicated to the Title field would eliminate the worry of needing to adjust the width of the Title field (because the Date field needed to grow in size). 0.00002 cents worth :-) From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 17 01:05:07 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:05:07 -0600 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: References: <4B7B2C3F.5070600@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B7B8713.1000802@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > Do you know *when* Rev does the truncation? I've had a problem with > certain printing stacks -- loaded up invisible or offscreen with > formatted text fields then printed with "print card from x1,y1 to x2,y2 > into pRect". I would show them to debug & tweak the text formatting, and > then I ran into the problem that the stack height was clipped at the > lower edge of the screen. I took to resizing them every time just before > printing, A little off your topic, but if you set the stack's formatForPrinting property Rev won't clip the stack off. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 17 02:18:07 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:18:07 -0800 Subject: inconsistent font setting behaviour In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002161851s78866bcbrf4cb4411345fbd0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > I've now tried your advice on my computer here (tho not yet on the > problem PCs). > > Good news and bad news. > > The good news is the font sizes change. > > The bad is the line height. I fiddled with textHeight and even > individual field objects' fixedLineHeight true/false. > > But no change in line height. Just a brief flicker, and then things > continue to look the same. > > I thought fixedLineHeight settings might be the problem. So I tried > true/false for thisk, plus tried variations of scriptline arrangement. You might try adjusting margins of the field/s as well: one value affects all four margins (left,top,right,bottom), 4 values sets the margins individually. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 03:38:14 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:38:14 +0000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <4B7B3365.2070505@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7B3365.2070505@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > It does not appear to be the exact same point in the file; IIRC it varies by > a couple MBs. ?I've tried it with Interarchy and a custom Rev-based FTP > client, with the same results: > > At home, using cable: Bluehost succeeds, and Dreamhost succeeds > At the office, w/DSL: Bluehost fails, while Dreamhost succeeds > > BH Tech Support tells me that they have no imposed limit on their end, but > given that I have no problem with DH I'm inclined to think there's something > funky with BH (well, something *else* funky, in addition to a long-standing > issue with server log configuration, but that's a whole other story). Have you tried it with a 25mb file that is gzipped? Or how about one that is just 25mb of say 1 char? I'm suggesting this in case there is some funky combo in your file that is causing the server to hiccup. If a binary file like gzip or an ascii file of letter A cannot get through, then it does point to their server/firewall/router config. Alas, something of which you have no control. Here's another suggestion. Why not use something like curl or wget to transfer the same file using one of the 'continue' options? Curl has a 'continue' option that works with PUT, so I'm guessing you can use that to continue an upload that did not work. I've used this kind of feature with large downloads in case they fail half-way. Curl works very well with open process in Rev, so you could use that behind the scenes in your app, provided of course there is not some other funky reason why you need to use Rev's socket-level features. I guess if you are talking to a FTP server using your own app, you might be able to build in your own 'continue' feature. There must be a command that curl sends to the server to find out the byte to continue the file from, and a command that tells the server to append the data to the existing file rather than overwrite it. Hope that helps. Bernard From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 03:53:01 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:53:01 +0200 Subject: [OT] Icon generator for Windows Message-ID: <4B7BAE6D.1080704@gmail.com> I wonder if anybody knows of a FREE icon generator for Windows (whether it is an application for Mac, Linux or Windows is not important) that can turn a PNG or a GIF into the full compliment of Windows icnons? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Feb 17 03:54:42 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:54:42 +0100 Subject: [OT] Icon generator for Windows In-Reply-To: <4B7BAE6D.1080704@gmail.com> References: <4B7BAE6D.1080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7B0799-2AB4-4FF2-A29E-4C97BCD551B1@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Richmond, I use IcoFX. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 17 feb 2010, om 09:53 heeft Richmond Mathewson het volgende geschreven: > I wonder if anybody knows of a FREE icon generator > for Windows (whether it is an application for Mac, > Linux or Windows is not important) that can turn a > PNG or a GIF into the full compliment of Windows > icnons? > > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 04:11:27 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:11:27 +0200 Subject: A kind of cooking utensil In-Reply-To: <06EBD4A1-A530-42D9-B063-2AE0F24D4A0B@mines-paristech.fr> References: <4B7AD1A2.4090800@gmail.com> <06EBD4A1-A530-42D9-B063-2AE0F24D4A0B@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <4B7BB2BF.4070203@gmail.com> On 16/02/2010 23:06, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > I have attended a few "acad?mies" in my twenties. These where places where, for a small price, you could make more or less elaborate drawings of a live (and naked, and, mostly, female) model. There was a small heating engine close to the model to help her staying still long enough for the public to do the drawing. > > Unfortunately, the course of my studies (not to mention marriage) took me away from these artistic activities. > > While the word 'academy' may sound very posh (it, after all, is of Greek origin), in Scotland it has been used both for Elementary schools: http://www.ancestralorkney.com/famousadventurer.html and High Schools: http://www.harris-academy.com/ although I have, sadly, missed out on academies filled with pulchritudinous ladies desporting themselves in their birthday suits. What interests me, Fran?ois, is what you mean by "mostly, female" - I suppose the semantics are all dependent on how one sees the comma . . . :) Presumably, the mooted 'revAcademy' should be seen as having a Grave accent on the E rather than ' a cute' accent as per naked young ladies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem, and it is a serious problem, is that most computer manuals and online teaching resources are no compensation for the presence of a real, live teacher present with you. Another problem has to do with perceptions of what will be conceptually difficult for students, as different sorts of people at different stages in their lives with different educational backgrounds will find different hurdles to overcome when they first approach RunRev. It is impossible that any sort of 'academy' can be everything for all men (read 'men' as 'humankind'); so, of necessity, it will have to go for a "one size fits all" approach which may, ultimately, fit no one at all. For the sake of argument: At New Year, my father wanted to make a Venn diagram with semi-transparent overlapping circles for part of his degree he is doing. I introduced him to Microsoft Expression 3 - thinking that he would "be up and running" in a matter of 10-15 minutes. What I had forgotten was that my father, while being an extremely competent Chemistry teacher and violin and viola player, had almost no knowledge of what we might like to term "the common interface elements" of a graphics program. As a result I had to completely re-examine my presuppositions about what one has to put into a set of lesson plans for teaching any sort of computer program that has a GUI. While the whole process may have been extremely educational for me, I think that my father may have revised his opinion of my teaching abilities - downwards!!! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 04:12:15 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:12:15 +0200 Subject: [OT] Icon generator for Windows In-Reply-To: <4F7B0799-2AB4-4FF2-A29E-4C97BCD551B1@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4B7BAE6D.1080704@gmail.com> <4F7B0799-2AB4-4FF2-A29E-4C97BCD551B1@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4B7BB2EF.5020000@gmail.com> On 17/02/2010 10:54, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > I use IcoFX. > Thank you very much indeed. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed Feb 17 05:29:15 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:29:15 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! Message-ID: Bonjour, To day when saving an app. as standalone I get: for Linux standalone: a file whose type is "Text format" instead of "Linux executable file" and for Mac standalone: a file whose type is "Application" but does not launched when I double-click it (I can't try the Linux one) Two years ago all was working well! What am I doing wrong? Thanks a lot in advance for your help! Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 07:54:52 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:54:52 +1000 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > To day when saving an app. as standalone I get: > > for Linux standalone: a file whose type is "Text format" instead of "Linux > executable file" > and > for Mac standalone: a file whose type is "Application" but does not launched > when I double-click it (I can't try the Linux one) What platform are you building on, Andre? And if you make a Windows app, does that work? Cheers, Sarah From edljr at mac.com Wed Feb 17 08:04:34 2010 From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:04:34 -0600 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did not want to say anything until I had time to conduct further testing, but recently ran into a problem similar to the one Andre reported. This started after a firmware update on my Mac Pro (running Leopard) a few days ago.... When I compile applications with revEnterprise, the Windows version works fine but the Mac Universal version will not run. This is true for applications I complied and successfully ran prior to the firmware update. If I open the rev file and recompile with revStudio, I do not have the problem. When I say that the Mac Universal version will not run, the OS brings up a popup saying the application quit unexpectedly. So, I think there must be a tie to revEnterprise and the firmware update. My revEnterprise is up-to-date. I wonder if I should install Snow Leopard. I have had it for a while, just have not gotten around to install it on my Mac Pro yet. Do you think that might solve the problem? Thanks, Ed On Feb 17, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> To day when saving an app. as standalone I get: >> >> for Linux standalone: a file whose type is "Text format" instead of >> "Linux >> executable file" >> and >> for Mac standalone: a file whose type is "Application" but does not >> launched >> when I double-click it (I can't try the Linux one) > > > What platform are you building on, Andre? > And if you make a Windows app, does that work? > > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 08:14:26 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:14:26 +1000 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote: > I did not want to say anything until I had time to conduct further testing, > but recently ran into a problem similar to the one Andre reported. > > This started after a firmware update on my Mac Pro (running Leopard) a few > days ago.... > > When I compile applications with revEnterprise, the Windows version works > fine but the Mac Universal version will not run. This is true for > applications I complied and successfully ran prior to the firmware update. > If I open the rev file and recompile with revStudio, I do not have the > problem. > > When I say that the Mac Universal version will not run, the OS brings up a > popup saying the application quit unexpectedly. So, I think there must be a > tie to revEnterprise and the firmware update. My revEnterprise is > up-to-date. I wonder if I should install Snow Leopard. I have had it for a > while, just have not gotten around to install it on my Mac Pro yet. Do you > think that might solve the problem? If you are using Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-1, then there is a known issue with standalones. There was a thread on the improve list with a download link to get the fixed engines. Cheers, Sarah From edljr at mac.com Wed Feb 17 08:26:43 2010 From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:26:43 -0600 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD4AE26-B5A3-4B9F-B491-EBD019A30C16@mac.com> Thanks, Sarah. This is reassuring. Ed On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr > wrote: >> I did not want to say anything until I had time to conduct further >> testing, >> but recently ran into a problem similar to the one Andre reported. >> >> This started after a firmware update on my Mac Pro (running >> Leopard) a few >> days ago.... >> >> When I compile applications with revEnterprise, the Windows version >> works >> fine but the Mac Universal version will not run. This is true for >> applications I complied and successfully ran prior to the firmware >> update. >> If I open the rev file and recompile with revStudio, I do not have >> the >> problem. >> >> When I say that the Mac Universal version will not run, the OS >> brings up a >> popup saying the application quit unexpectedly. So, I think there >> must be a >> tie to revEnterprise and the firmware update. My revEnterprise is >> up-to-date. I wonder if I should install Snow Leopard. I have had >> it for a >> while, just have not gotten around to install it on my Mac Pro yet. >> Do you >> think that might solve the problem? > > > If you are using Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-1, then there is a known issue > with standalones. There was a thread on the improve list with a > download link to get the fixed engines. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed Feb 17 08:56:54 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:56:54 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0671AE29-4720-4348-B93A-9627862BB7C7@inria.fr> Le 17 f?vr. 10 ? 13:54, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : >> To day when saving an app. as standalone I get: >> >> for Linux standalone: a file whose type is "Text format" instead of >> "Linux >> executable file" >> and >> for Mac standalone: a file whose type is "Application" but does not >> launched >> when I double-click it (I can't try the Linux one) > > > What platform are you building on, Andre? > And if you make a Windows app, does that work? > I am building on Mac OSX 10.5.8 with Rev 4.0 I just made another trial, this time for Linux, Mac universal and Mac Intel only and one Windows The Linux standalone I obtain keeps being a text file! The Windows standalone gets normally a .exe suffix and it"s type is "Microsoft Windows application" but its icon is a simple white one which seems suspect to me(?) Habitually I got a black rectangular icon, for Linux and Windows as well. Any way I have no opportunity to try either Linux or Windows. As for Mac, I obtained 2 standalones (type = Application), but they are not working: nothing happens when I double-click them (or more precisely a small translucent image appears and vanishes immediately. Any idea ? Thank you Sarah for you attention to my problem Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From mikeythek at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 09:14:57 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:14:57 -0500 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> Alex, With all due respect, even HP doesn't use DEC systems any more. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 17:30, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Mike Kerner wrote: > >> Just a note - because I can google it if i really care, but what the hell >> - >> oh sorry - what the bloody hell is a fortnight? >> >> >> > As other have said, two weeks. > > Sorry, over here in the colonies we don't use such hooey. >> >> >> > Sure you do. > > VMS (i.e. DEC systems, based in Mass) were well known for the joke of > having timings defined in microfortnights (pretty close to one second). > > > -- Alex. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Feb 17 09:23:14 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:23:14 -1000 Subject: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002161338w56e14eb6l5bed2cf8d66410d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> <017e01caaf4d$73b8e480$5b2aad80$@com> <963c86eb1002161338w56e14eb6l5bed2cf8d66410d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019201caafdc$bf11ef50$3d35cdf0$@com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Again, for those of you who use RSS regularly, I'd be interested in > knowing > what features are important to you... and better still, what is lacking > from > the current reader you use. > > Thanks for the compliments, everyone. I am also not a heavy RSS user and the reason is I don't want to be inundated or have to scan through tons of information that I am not interested in. To the best of my knowledge, when you subscribe to an RSS feed, you receive any changes to that site, or portion of site. If the site is an active forum, for example, this can be TMI (Too Much Information). So, while you say: > Yes. That's the idea. For example, if you were had a lot of news feeds, > and typed "iran" into filter area, the only headlines that would appear > would be those that had Iran somewhere in the title or body of the headline. What I would really like is to be able to have a preference that is *specific to each feed* I subscribe to, and be able to type in some filter words or phrases. If the word or phrase is in the headline or body of that feed, then notify or otherwise show me the headline. Otherwise, "automatically" and completely delete the headline item from the database or however you are storing these (I also don't need my HD being filled up with info I will never read). And, I don't want to have to be manually typing in filter words multiple times a day. This would remove my "resistance" to subscribing to feeds, knowing I can always filter a feed down "right at the door" to what I know I would be interested in from that feed and not have yet another flood of information to deal with. It would not bother me in the least to not see anything from a specific feed for days or weeks or more. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Feb 17 09:25:53 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:25:53 +0100 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> Mikey, with all due respect, but Alex wrote "... WERE well known..." which means this has been the case at some arbitrary point in the past :-) m 17.02.2010 um 15:14 schrieb Mikey: > Alex, > With all due respect, even HP doesn't use DEC systems any more. >> ... >> VMS (i.e. DEC systems, based in Mass) were well known for the joke of >> having timings defined in microfortnights (pretty close to one second). >> >> -- Alex. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 17 09:27:22 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:27:22 -0500 Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <1266353900108-1557930.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F749F9A-9DBA-49CC-9C39-5B9D2689CBB5@mangomultimedia.com> <1266352904564-1557911.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266353461231-1557923.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F14BF41-ADC0-4CA8-B77D-DB51419EF56D@mangomultimedia.com> <1266353900108-1557930.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <35A9AE0A-4508-4FEF-9F64-33656CD3E30F@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Anything without a t is a view. This is a mySQL db. > > This is definately not all of my tables. > > no tables past tinventory get loaded. Confirmed with a test SQLite database. Report file: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 17 09:29:35 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:29:35 -0800 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! Message-ID: <4B7BFD4F.4090808@fourthworld.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > If you are using Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-1, then there is a known issue > with standalones. There was a thread on the improve list with a > download link to get the fixed engines. FWIW, this issue seems specific to the IDE. In my own IDE, using the v4.5 dev engine's _internal command to build my standalones from the v4.5 runtime engines produces a runnable app. The good news there is that the actual mechanism that builds the standalones seems fine, and the engines themselves are fine, it's just something in the IDE which is likely easy to fix. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mikeythek at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 09:31:17 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:31:17 -0500 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> Oh, here we go! Nice catch Klaus. I did also say "don't" though in my original post, if we're gonna start tweaking each other over my original tweak. Have a great day, guys. BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:25, Klaus Major wrote: > Mikey, > > with all due respect, but Alex wrote "... WERE well known..." > which means this has been the case at some arbitrary point in the past :-) > > m 17.02.2010 um 15:14 schrieb Mikey: > > Alex, > > With all due respect, even HP doesn't use DEC systems any more. > >> ... > >> VMS (i.e. DEC systems, based in Mass) were well known for the joke of > >> having timings defined in microfortnights (pretty close to one second). > >> > >> -- Alex. > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 17 09:32:52 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SQL Yoga] Trying to get started. In-Reply-To: <1266354402110-1557942.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266351010087-1557873.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266354402110-1557942.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I cut all of the views out of my DB and got tlease to show up. Now I'm > getting this error. > > line: 1438 of libSQLYoga > Application error: > > 66,677,9 > 66,677,9 > 83,677,9 > 83,677,9,Handler: running low on memory, script aborted. > 465,677,1 Is this error appearing when running the same code you posted originally or some other code? Since we are troubleshooting a 3rd party library perhaps it is best if you email support at bluemangolearning.com so we can take this off the list. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 17 09:34:13 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:34:13 -0800 Subject: stack menu Message-ID: <4B7BFE65.7020801@fourthworld.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> In my experience stack menus work perfectly UNLESS the height of the >> stack being poppsed up is greater than the monitor height. >> >> AFAIK Rev truncates stack rendering to the largest possible size, >> which will be within the monitor bounds. But of course some popup >> stacks may exceed that, so while that limit doesn't affect most >> things it becomes an error with popup stacks. >> >> If your stack that's popping up properly is taller than your monitor >> it would be good to know, so I can update the notes in my bug report. > > Ah. I'll try to get some time tomorrow to try it with stackheight > > screenheight. I'll let you know. > > Do you know *when* Rev does the truncation? Apparently not as I had suggested. I just made a stack and set its width to 4444, and it made a stack of that size without a problem while my display is only 1680 px wide. I think the true limit of most stacks is about 32k px. The issue with using them as popups, however, does seem to limit them to the screen height - reverified in both v4.0 and v4.5. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From massung at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 09:48:50 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:48:50 -0600 Subject: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: <019201caafdc$bf11ef50$3d35cdf0$@com> References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> <017e01caaf4d$73b8e480$5b2aad80$@com> <963c86eb1002161338w56e14eb6l5bed2cf8d66410d5@mail.gmail.com> <019201caafdc$bf11ef50$3d35cdf0$@com> Message-ID: <57BF1E40-3BD7-414E-A188-CE7D6675E00F@gmail.com> On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > >> Again, for those of you who use RSS regularly, I'd be interested in >> knowing >> what features are important to you... and better still, what is lacking >> from >> the current reader you use. >> >> Thanks for the compliments, everyone. > > I am also not a heavy RSS user and the reason is I don't want to be > inundated or have to scan through tons of information that I am not > interested in. To the best of my knowledge, when you subscribe to an RSS > feed, you receive any changes to that site, or portion of site. If the site > is an active forum, for example, this can be TMI (Too Much Information). > > So, while you say: > >> Yes. That's the idea. For example, if you were had a lot of news feeds, >> and typed "iran" into filter area, the only headlines that would appear >> would be those that had Iran somewhere in the title or body of the > headline. > > What I would really like is to be able to have a preference that is > *specific to each feed* I subscribe to, and be able to type in some filter > words or phrases. If the word or phrase is in the headline or body of that > feed, then notify or otherwise show me the headline. Otherwise, > "automatically" and completely delete the headline item from the database > or however you are storing these (I also don't need my HD being filled up > with info I will never read). Jim, That's an interesting idea. I'll have to think about how best to incorporate such a feature into the user interface. I can definitely see how a filter / feed could be very useful. Addressing your "HD being filled up" issue, know that I'm against such things as well. I had no desire for Newsfeeder to be a newsgroup reader that downloaded and saved every headline and marked them as read or not. Newsfeeder will tell you if an RSS feed has new headlines since the last time you viewed it, you will be informed, but it doesn't track anything on a per-headline basis and doesn't save anything to the HD. Each time you start up the app, everything is fresh. Note: I have considered adding support for saving headlines that you love or want to read later so they don't go away, and similarly considered letting you delete headlines that you never want to see again. But I need to get more use out of the app - and more user opinions - before I go down that road. Thank you for your thoughts. Jeff M. From massung at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 09:53:50 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:53:50 -0600 Subject: ANN: Newsfeeder - an RSS reader In-Reply-To: References: <33D45E96-DEDF-4CEE-A365-C46790F94C06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <451053F6-46CB-412F-BFAD-3C6D687FC1D1@gmail.com> On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Sarah Reichelt > wrote: >> >> Looks very neat Jeff. My only suggestion would be to allow people to >> set the font and font size. >> > > Jeff, I'm not a big RSS users so take my suggestion with a grain of > salt, but I notice all bar one Title is truncated and for the > TEDTalks, three truncate the presenters name and the fourth is > completely missing. I like TEDTalks and the presenters name could be a > deciding factor in my decision to follow the link (I realise it does > appear in the text, but skimming headlines is what RSS is all about). Kay, Thanks for the feedback! Please know that I've tried *many* different ways of presenting the headlines, and this one seems to provide the best information given the space I want to allot to each. However, RSS feeds - even though it's an optional xml tag - usually support the tag. Perhaps an option to turn that on and have the author's name appear directly below the title as a subtext (similar to the post date) might fit that need? I love TED talks as well, but I can also see someone wanting to follow a specific blogger, editor, or reporter that they like on CNN, etc. Not a bad idea. Jeff M. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 17 10:06:15 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:06:15 -0800 Subject: socket error 54? Message-ID: <4B7C05E7.6030304@fourthworld.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: >> It does not appear to be the exact same point in the file; IIRC it varies by >> a couple MBs. I've tried it with Interarchy and a custom Rev-based FTP >> client, with the same results: >> >> At home, using cable: Bluehost succeeds, and Dreamhost succeeds >> At the office, w/DSL: Bluehost fails, while Dreamhost succeeds >> >> BH Tech Support tells me that they have no imposed limit on their end, but >> given that I have no problem with DH I'm inclined to think there's something >> funky with BH (well, something *else* funky, in addition to a long-standing >> issue with server log configuration, but that's a whole other story). > > Have you tried it with a 25mb file that is gzipped? Or how about one > that is just 25mb of say 1 char? I'm suggesting this in case there is > some funky combo in your file that is causing the server to hiccup. > If a binary file like gzip or an ascii file of letter A cannot get > through, then it does point to their server/firewall/router config. > Alas, something of which you have no control. I'm using a Zip file. Haven't tried gzip, but I suppose I could if it would make a difference. BH Support suggested I try toggling from passive to active, but their server won't accept active connections so that won't work. It may be easier to just use my Dreamhost account for this, where it works great all the time with files of any size and type. > Here's another suggestion. Why not use something like curl or wget to > transfer the same file using one of the 'continue' options? Curl has > a 'continue' option that works with PUT, so I'm guessing you can use > that to continue an upload that did not work. I've used this kind of > feature with large downloads in case they fail half-way. I'll look into that - thanks. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed Feb 17 11:38:06 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:38:06 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: <4B7BFD4F.4090808@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7BFD4F.4090808@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I just updated to rev 4.5 dp2 and tried to save my app as standalone : I get the same as with rev 4.0 : for Linux a text file!! and the standalone for Mac not working. I can't access to the thread on the improve list (I don"t remember my password and am waiting for a new one!!!) I am a bit tired to see the message : "Standalone application saved successfully"!! A couple of days ago, on Rev 4.0, I saved my app. as standalone without any problem Any help would be much appreciated Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 17 f?vr. 10 ? 15:29, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> If you are using Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-1, then there is a known issue >> with standalones. There was a thread on the improve list with a >> download link to get the fixed engines. > > FWIW, this issue seems specific to the IDE. In my own IDE, using > the v4.5 dev engine's _internal command to build my standalones from > the v4.5 runtime engines produces a runnable app. > > The good news there is that the actual mechanism that builds the > standalones seems fine, and the engines themselves are fine, it's > just something in the IDE which is likely easy to fix. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:36:01 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:36:01 -0500 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <4B7B8713.1000802@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B7B2C3F.5070600@fourthworld.com> <4B7B8713.1000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <07AFD857-77EC-4C59-9863-405AC7531C24@gmail.com> On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:05 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> Do you know *when* Rev does the truncation? I've had a problem with >> certain printing stacks -- loaded up invisible or offscreen with >> formatted text fields then printed with "print card from x1,y1 to >> x2,y2 into pRect". I would show them to debug & tweak the text >> formatting, and then I ran into the problem that the stack height >> was clipped at the lower edge of the screen. I took to resizing >> them every time just before printing, > > A little off your topic, but if you set the stack's > formatForPrinting property Rev won't clip the stack off. Good to know this, thanks. I thought formatForPrinting only affected font display, but the last paragraph of the dictionary entry says "If the stack's formatForPrinting property is true, the setting of the windowBoundingRect property is ignored when the stack is opened or maximized." I then wondered if I could set the windowBoundingRect to a larger size before opening the menustack, but alas, "The value of the windowBoundingRect does not affect palette, modal, or modeless windows. Only stacks whose mode property is 1 or 2 are affected." Dead end, after all. PROGRAM, tr.v. To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. ;-) (Actually, Rev does offer rewards enough of the time to keep me banging away....) head only mildly sore, -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From baleareninsel at gmx.net Wed Feb 17 18:04:37 2010 From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Inselfan) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:04:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Xcopy without mounting a network-path Message-ID: <1266447877167-1559462.post@n4.nabble.com> Hola, everybody knows how to handel xcopy, for example: xcopy "D:\*.*" "Y:\*.*" but, how to do this without mounting a network-path: xcopy //myPC/D:\*.* ??? The question behind is that I want to use this with a shell command hoping for some help kind regards Horst -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Xcopy-without-mounting-a-network-path-tp1559462p1559462.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Feb 17 18:08:19 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:08:19 -1000 Subject: stack menu In-Reply-To: <07AFD857-77EC-4C59-9863-405AC7531C24@gmail.com> References: <4B7B2C3F.5070600@fourthworld.com> <4B7B8713.1000802@hyperactivesw.com> <07AFD857-77EC-4C59-9863-405AC7531C24@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a001cab026$18bdacd0$4a390670$@com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > head only mildly sore, Good thing you are a doctor and can "heal thyself." ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 17 18:23:05 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:23:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Italic text Message-ID: <1266448985428-1559477.post@n4.nabble.com> In some of my stacks, the font mysteriously changed to italic on all of them. It was about the same time I changed some of the stack's appearance properties (Took maximize button away from some and the minimize away from others). Haven't figured out why this happened or how to fix it yet. :P probably something silly. Anyone have this happen? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Italic-text-tp1559477p1559477.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed Feb 17 18:24:16 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:24:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Italic text In-Reply-To: <1266448985428-1559477.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266448985428-1559477.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266449056895-1559479.post@n4.nabble.com> nvm. lol -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Italic-text-tp1559477p1559479.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 17 19:31:53 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:31:53 +0000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <4B7C05E7.6030304@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7C05E7.6030304@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4B7C8A79.6030405@tweedly.net> Richard Gaskin wrote: > Bernard Devlin wrote: > > > It may be easier to just use my Dreamhost account for this, where it > works great all the time with files of any size and type. > Or create a CGI on Dreamhost that will relay a file on to another site such as BH. -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 17 19:33:35 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:33:35 +0000 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> Mikey wrote: > Oh, here we go! Nice catch Klaus. I did also say "don't" though in my > original post, if we're gonna start tweaking each other over my original > tweak. > > Have a great day, guys. > > It was (IMHO) a fair tweak - I *should* have said "Sure you did, fairly recently." rather than "Sure you do." > BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? > > Yes, still in common usage there, and also here in Scotland. -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 17 19:36:45 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:36:45 +0000 Subject: socket error 54? In-Reply-To: <018801caaf5e$53b073e0$fb115ba0$@com> References: <4B7ACFFA.7070202@fourthworld.com> <4B7B1C0C.9070500@tweedly.net> <018801caaf5e$53b073e0$fb115ba0$@com> Message-ID: <4B7C8B9D.5070104@tweedly.net> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Alex Tweedly wrote: > > >>> What is error 54? >>> >> Error 54, sometimes known as 10054 or sometimes as 20054 is a hard one >> to deal with. It means: Connection reset. (i.e. by the other guy) - >> > > When I first saw the post by Richard, I wondered, because I have seen and > trap for errors like 10053 (connection to server dropped) and 10061 (no > server available on this port), etc. in my *ON socketError pSocket, pError* > handler. But, I had not seen an error of just 53 or 54 or... (or at least I > didn't think I had). > > Alex, Any way of knowing if an error is going to be reported as 10054, 20054 > or just 54? What generates this socket error number? Rev? The platform? The > server? It makes a difference to my switch statement. ;-) > > Don't know for sure, but I believeWin consistently reports socket error numbers as 100xx, while I think (maybe) Mac reports them as simply xx Linux - no idea. Maybe parse out and switch on the last two digits of the error number ?? -- Alex. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 19:37:15 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:37:15 +0800 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Mikey wrote: > > BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? > Yes, on a weekly basis ;-) From josh at dvcreators.net Wed Feb 17 23:10:33 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:10:33 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties Message-ID: You all probably know this, but thought I would share our experience anyway: We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback loop that communicates with an external process in a performance-critical application, and when prototyping, temporarily used some fields on a card to write and read values from during the loop. Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched to reading and writing a custom property. Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button several times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, etc. It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went line by line from our original prototype script, wee found that going back to reading and writing to a field made everything work smoothly again! Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... same result as custom properties. So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, Rev reads and writes to fields super fast! From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 17 23:22:32 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:22:32 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is counter to what we've been taught was the case previously. In previous versions the field overhead was far greater than CPs. Perhaps it's the multi-dimensional aspect. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 17 February 2010 20:10, Josh Mellicker wrote: > You all probably know this, but thought I would share our experience > anyway: > > We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback loop that > communicates with an external process in a performance-critical application, > and when prototyping, temporarily used some fields on a card to write and > read values from during the loop. > > Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched to reading > and writing a custom property. > > Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button several > times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, etc. > > It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went line by line > from our original prototype script, wee found that going back to reading and > writing to a field made everything work smoothly again! > > Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... same result as > custom properties. > > So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, Rev reads and > writes to fields super fast!_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From janschenkel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 01:02:46 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:02:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <778778.40110.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Josh Mellicker wrote: > You all probably know this, but > thought I would share our experience anyway: > > We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback > loop that communicates with an external process in a > performance-critical application, and when prototyping, > temporarily used some fields on a card to write and read > values from during the loop. > > Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we > switched to reading and writing a custom property. > > Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a > button several times to trigger it, you could barely move > stack windows, etc. > > It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went > line by line from our original prototype script, wee found > that going back to reading and writing to a field made > everything work smoothly again! > > Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... > same result as custom properties. > > So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, > Rev reads and writes to fields super > fast! If the field you're using to set/get data, is _invisible_ then it makes sense that this would be faster than set/get data using a custom property: built-in properties don't have to traverse the message hierarchy for setProp/getProp handlers, and an invisible field doesn't have to redraw itself. Why it would be faster than global/local variable access, is a puzzler - are you using arrays or storing the text in the same 'flat' way as field text? Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 01:30:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:30:29 +0200 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> On 18/02/2010 02:33, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Mikey wrote: >> Oh, here we go! Nice catch Klaus. I did also say "don't" though in my >> original post, if we're gonna start tweaking each other over my original >> tweak. >> >> Have a great day, guys. >> > It was (IMHO) a fair tweak - I *should* have said "Sure you did, > fairly recently." rather than "Sure you do." > >> BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? >> > Yes, still in common usage there, and also here in Scotland. > And in France a fortnight is a "quinzaine"; I suppose the difference between 14 and 15 is about the same as La Manche - divides them . . . :) From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 01:44:57 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:44:57 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > You all probably know this, but thought I would share our experience > anyway: > > We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback loop that > communicates with an external process in a performance-critical > application, and when prototyping, temporarily used some fields on a > card to write and read values from during the loop. > > Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched to > reading and writing a custom property. > > Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button > several times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, etc. > > It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went line by > line from our original prototype script, wee found that going back > to reading and writing to a field made everything work smoothly again! > > Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... same > result as custom properties. > > So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, Rev > reads and writes to fields super fast! > _______________________________________________ Something does not seem to be correct in this instance. Which version of Rev? Which platform? Is the flag "script debug mode" set to false? Are there any pending messages in the queue? Front scripts? back scripts? I have done many performance-critical event loops using variables and custom properties in networking apps between computers and offices. Whenever I encounter a slow down, I look at my error trapping loops or status detection code and find that I have added clock cycles by not programming properly. If you have discovered something that affects the performance so that fields are noticeably faster, then we need to know what is happening. I have never tested fields to be as fast or faster than custom properties, especially for larger blocks of text (such as whole web page HTML) Please, when you have time, provide a little more feedback. Jim Ault Las Vegas From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 03:47:13 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:47:13 +0000 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > And in France a fortnight is a "quinzaine"; I suppose the difference > between 14 and 15 is about the same as La Manche - divides them . . . ?:) This talk of fortnights reminds me of my partner explaining to me that in Thailand they have 2 o'clock four times in a day. Whilst we divide the 24 hour day in to 2x12 hours, they divide it into 4x6 hours. My belief is that they do not find everyday life challenging enough, and decided to spice it up with more ambiguity. This also explains their addiction to chilli, so it is obviously a true explanation :-) And it explains why they go in for a language with 40+ characters and 5 tones. Every attempt I make at pronouncing a word in Thai is greeted with furrowed brows or hilarity (and often in that order). Oh yes, they also have a different system of numerals -- and chop and change between 'arabic' numbering and 'thai' numbering when it suits them. I have to confess, on my first trip to Thailand I did find myself incredulous that their calendar year really is 500 or so years ahead of GMT. It's one thing to (nominally) 'know' that other people run two calendars, but it was weird to actually be somewhere and see them using a different calendar on a daily basis. It made me realise that throughout the world those other 'nominal' calendars are probably used as calendars to live by. As if DST didn't cause enough problems in programming. There is so much we take for granted. But I love it when my long-standing views are suddenly revealed to me as being very limited. Bernard From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 04:09:01 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:09:01 +0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> References: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Rev reads and >> writes to fields super fast! > Clearly Richard 'the Benchmark King' Gaskin is asleep right now, but when he wakes I'm sure he'll have the figures. The best I could track down was some benchmarking Richard did a while back comparing Globals, Custom Property's and Functions. His test was a simple one liner repeated 1 million times, the results were (in milliseconds): Global: ? 0.00023 Property: 0.00151 Function: 0.00198 So whilst it is good to know that Rev can read and write into fields in under a 1 millisecond, and you may consider that super fast, NORMALLY using Globals or Custom Properties will result in a speed increase of several orders of magnitude. Obviously you are not experiencing normal so many of us here would be very interested in more details to understand why. And if I were a betting man, I'd be putting my money on the end result will be using Globals will be the fastest option for you. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 04:18:02 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:18:02 +0800 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > > There is so much we take for granted. ?But I love it when my > long-standing views are suddenly revealed to me as being very limited. > Bernard, sawadeecup. The older I get, the more cities and countries I visit, the more people I meet, I'm only now starting to comprehend how incomprehensible humanity is. :-) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 04:40:21 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:40:21 +0200 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D0B05.7050502@gmail.com> On 18/02/2010 10:47, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: > >> And in France a fortnight is a "quinzaine"; I suppose the difference >> between 14 and 15 is about the same as La Manche - divides them . . . :) >> > This talk of fortnights reminds me of my partner explaining to me that > in Thailand they have 2 o'clock four times in a day. Whilst we divide > the 24 hour day in to 2x12 hours, they divide it into 4x6 hours. My > belief is that they do not find everyday life challenging enough, and > decided to spice it up with more ambiguity. This also explains their > addiction to chilli, so it is obviously a true explanation :-) And it > explains why they go in for a language with 40+ characters and 5 > tones. Every attempt I make at pronouncing a word in Thai is greeted > with furrowed brows or hilarity (and often in that order). Oh yes, > they also have a different system of numerals -- and chop and change > between 'arabic' numbering and 'thai' numbering when it suits them. > > I have to confess, on my first trip to Thailand I did find myself > incredulous that their calendar year really is 500 or so years ahead > of GMT. It's one thing to (nominally) 'know' that other people run > two calendars, but it was weird to actually be somewhere and see them > using a different calendar on a daily basis. It made me realise that > throughout the world those other 'nominal' calendars are probably used > as calendars to live by. As if DST didn't cause enough problems in > programming. > > I have lived and worked for about 6 years in the Arabic world where there is an on-going competition between both the Arabic numbers (which are derived from Indian numbers) and European numbers (which are derived from the system of numbering the Arabs used before they adopted the Indian system), and the Christian and Islamic calendars. Of course in Palestine/Israel/illegally-occupied-Canaan (hey, not funny at all, I know some Philistine Dagon-worshippers who are really cheesed-off about some political axe they have to grind with some member of the Israeli defence forces with very long hair) things get even more confusing with the Mosaic calendar, the Islamic calendar and the 2 western Chritsian calendars (Julian and Gregorian). > There is so much we take for granted. But I love it when my > long-standing views are suddenly revealed to me as being very limited. > > From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Feb 18 05:33:46 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:33:46 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CF4FDA1-9716-4321-9E7A-FAF87D0A01D9@inria.fr> Bonjour, My problem yesterday was : > To day when saving an app. as standalone I get: > > for Linux standalone: a file whose type is "Text format" instead of > "Linux > executable file" > and > for Mac standalone: a file whose type is "Application" but does not > launched > when I double-click it (I can't try the Linux one) > Two years ago all was working well! Sorry I wrote "years" but I was meaning "days". This morning I succedeed to save my app. as standalone normally! (Mac OSX 10.5.8 ; Rev 4.0) The only difference that I noticed was that, a couple of days ago, I saved it successfully in a "default built folder" whose name did not had accented characters while yesterday, I was trying to make my standalone in a folder whose name had one accented character !!!!!!! Removing the accent solved my problem I got a normal "executable Linux file" (can't try it) and a Mac application which is working well. poor people who inherited a native language with accents ;-o))) Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From effendi at wanadoo.fr Thu Feb 18 06:45:28 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:45:28 +0100 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight". Message-ID: <36063BBB-B008-4DF5-A7A1-29111423F392@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Brittany, Mikey, > BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? Fortnight is still used in jolly Old Mother England, and at least is pertinent (ie fourteen nights = 2 weeks). In France, they can't count proper like we do ! Two weeks = 15 days (quinze jours) and One week = 8 days (huit jours) Now I know the Beatles sang "Eight days a week" but this is no excuse ....... :>) -Francis From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 06:56:12 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:56:12 +0000 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; SOLVED In-Reply-To: <9CF4FDA1-9716-4321-9E7A-FAF87D0A01D9@inria.fr> References: <9CF4FDA1-9716-4321-9E7A-FAF87D0A01D9@inria.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > poor people who inherited a native language with accents ;-o))) Maybe you're better off with accents. Last night I was confused about how to pronounce an English word, and I'm a native speaker. The spelling of the word gave me little help :-) I feel real sympathy for those who learn English as a second language. It must bemuse them that such a ramshackle language has become a lingua franca. Bernard From jim at visitrieve.com Thu Feb 18 07:38:47 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:38:47 -1000 Subject: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cab097$51341b00$f39c5100$@com> Josh Mellicker wrote: > You all probably know this, but thought I would share our experience > anyway: > > We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback loop that > communicates with an external process in a performance-critical > application, and when prototyping, temporarily used some fields on a > card to write and read values from during the loop. > > Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched to > reading and writing a custom property. > > Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button > several times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, etc. > > It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went line by > line from our original prototype script, wee found that going back to > reading and writing to a field made everything work smoothly again! > > Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... same result > as custom properties. > > So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, Rev reads > and writes to fields super > fast Josh, What "we know" is actually quite the opposite. The speed order should be local/global/constant - custom property - field, with a very miniscule difference between globals and custom properties (custom props have to be "copied" in memory first) and a very significant difference between any of these and fields, even with *lock screen*. Would you be so kind as to isolate and confirm your results and let us know which Rev and on what platform/OS and provide us with a code example or, better yet, a test stack we can download that demonstrates what you are experiencing, so we can all test your code on different platforms and versions of Rev for ourselves? If you are running a recent release of Rev and what you are saying proves to be so for that release, then you have discovered a major bug. So, it's very important! Thanks! Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 07:44:52 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:44:52 -0500 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight". In-Reply-To: <36063BBB-B008-4DF5-A7A1-29111423F392@wanadoo.fr> References: <36063BBB-B008-4DF5-A7A1-29111423F392@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <90C2BF0F-6599-4E87-B338-1E45327765F9@gmail.com> I think it was in my junior high school physics class that we we were given the exercise of calculating the speed of light in furlongs per fortnight. (approx 3.35 * 10^17) -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 18, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Brittany, > > Mikey, > >> BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? > > Fortnight is still used in jolly Old Mother England, > and at least is pertinent (ie fourteen nights = 2 weeks). > > In France, they can't count proper like we do ! > > Two weeks = 15 days (quinze jours) > > and > > One week = 8 days (huit jours) > > Now I know the Beatles sang "Eight days a week" > > but this is no excuse ....... :>) > > -Francis > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Thu Feb 18 08:09:28 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:09:28 +0100 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight". In-Reply-To: <90C2BF0F-6599-4E87-B338-1E45327765F9@gmail.com> References: <36063BBB-B008-4DF5-A7A1-29111423F392@wanadoo.fr> <90C2BF0F-6599-4E87-B338-1E45327765F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Feb 18, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > >> Hi from Brittany, >> >> Mikey, >> >>> BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? >> >> Fortnight is still used in jolly Old Mother England, >> and at least is pertinent (ie fourteen nights = 2 weeks). >> >> In France, they can't count proper like we do ! >> >> Two weeks = 15 days (quinze jours) >> >> and >> >> One week = 8 days (huit jours) >> >> Now I know the Beatles sang "Eight days a week" >> >> but this is no excuse ....... :>) Well, french speaking people are basically generous ! When I was a boy and sent to the farm to buy a dozen eggs, I always got 13 of them: "treize ? la douzaine" is (or at least was) a quite current expression. Jacques ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 18 08:32:53 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:32:53 -0800 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; SOLVED Message-ID: <4B7D4185.90401@fourthworld.com> Andre.Bisseret wrote: > This morning I succedeed to save my app. as standalone normally! (Mac > OSX 10.5.8 ; Rev 4.0) > > The only difference that I noticed was that, a couple of days ago, I > saved it successfully in a "default built folder" whose name did not > had accented characters > while yesterday, I was trying to make my standalone in a folder whose > name had one accented character !!!!!!! > > Removing the accent solved my problem > I got a normal "executable Linux file" (can't try it) and a Mac > application which is working well. > > poor people who inherited a native language with accents ;-o))) Good sleuthing, Andre. Seems related, possibly worthy of a vote: Files with high-ASCII characters are not recognized by Revolution -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Feb 18 08:48:31 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:48:31 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4B7D4185.90401@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7D4185.90401@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Am 18.02.2010 um 14:32 schrieb Richard Gaskin: > Andre.Bisseret wrote: >> This morning I succedeed to save my app. as standalone normally! (Mac >> OSX 10.5.8 ; Rev 4.0) >> >> The only difference that I noticed was that, a couple of days ago, I >> saved it successfully in a "default built folder" whose name did not >> had accented characters >> while yesterday, I was trying to make my standalone in a folder whose >> name had one accented character !!!!!!! >> >> Removing the accent solved my problem >> I got a normal "executable Linux file" (can't try it) and a Mac >> application which is working well. >> >> poor people who inherited a native language with accents ;-o))) > > Good sleuthing, Andre. > > Seems related, possibly worthy of a vote: > Files with high-ASCII characters are not recognized by Revolution > I just added my votes and a comment. Hopefully this real BLOCKER will get fixed in 4.5 :-/ > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Feb 18 08:59:01 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:59:01 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <9CF4FDA1-9716-4321-9E7A-FAF87D0A01D9@inria.fr> Message-ID: Le 18 f?vr. 10 ? 12:56, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Andre.Bisseret > wrote: >> poor people who inherited a native language with accents ;-o))) > > Maybe you're better off with accents. Last night I was confused about > how to pronounce an English word, and I'm a native speaker. The > spelling of the word gave me little help :-) > > I feel real sympathy for those who learn English as a second language. > It must bemuse them that such a ramshackle language has become a > lingua franca. > Thanks for these kind words :-) Nonetheless not too ramshackle when used by Hemingway or Steinbeck, or Shakespeare, or Carrol ? and so on ;-))) (we had to read and comment on passages from their works when learning English at high school) Andr? From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 09:15:44 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:15:44 +0000 Subject: stack crashing IDE Message-ID: On Vista, I went to open a stack that I haven't looked at for a few weeks. But as soon as I try to open it, the IDE crashes. No popup from Rev to say that the stack is corrupted. Sometimes I am able to get a crash warning from the OS: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: Revolution.exe Application Version: 4.0.0.950 Application Timestamp: 4af84e48 Fault Module Name: Revolution.exe Fault Module Version: 4.0.0.950 Fault Module Timestamp: 4af84e48 Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 0008e720 OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3 Locale ID: 2057 Additional Information 1: fd00 Additional Information 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 Additional Information 3: fd00 Additional Information 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 I have used this stack many times throughout January 2010, and as far as I can remember, there was no problem the last time I was using it. Furthermore, I haven't updated Rev in months. The only thing I can think that might cause something like this, is that the stack makes use of some externals: Valentina and revBrowser. I haven't changed anything to the Valentina install since the beginning of January, long before I was using this stack. And if I open up the Valentina sample stack, there is no problem using Valentina. Using VStudio I can open the valentina db the stack references. So it doesn't look like the issue is with Valentina. I've checked the browser sampler stack, and that opens a browser window, so it doesn't look like revBrowser is the problem either. I've set lockMessages to true before opening the stack, but still the IDE crashes. Any suggestions as to how I can find out more about what is going on? There is the Vista crash log, but there's nothing in there that I can make use of. Bernard From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Feb 18 09:41:44 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:41:44 +0100 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4B7D4185.90401@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7D4185.90401@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Le 18 f?vr. 10 ? 14:32, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Andre.Bisseret wrote: >> This morning I succedeed to save my app. as standalone normally! (Mac >> OSX 10.5.8 ; Rev 4.0) >> >> The only difference that I noticed was that, a couple of days ago, I >> saved it successfully in a "default built folder" whose name did not >> had accented characters >> while yesterday, I was trying to make my standalone in a folder whose >> name had one accented character !!!!!!! >> >> Removing the accent solved my problem >> I got a normal "executable Linux file" (can't try it) and a Mac >> application which is working well. >> >> poor people who inherited a native language with accents ;-o))) > > Good sleuthing, Andre. > > Seems related, possibly worthy of a vote: > Files with high-ASCII characters are not recognized by Revolution > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ Thank you Richard for this link I added 5 votes and a comment. Andr? From h at FlexibleLearning.com Thu Feb 18 10:01:08 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:01:08 -0000 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <20100218144149.E89F928819A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Of course we use the word 'fortnight'! What an odd question. I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely REFUSE to work in metric weights and distances which remain completely meaningless to me. I also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to time, as in "I haven't seen him in a twelvemonth". But then again I am old-school English where the word 'modern' refers to anything from the 20's onward. /H On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Mikey wrote: > > BTW, is "fortnight" still used in jolly old Mother England? From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 10:20:05 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:20:05 -0500 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: References: <20100218144149.E89F928819A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002180720j5b88f7d0w584debfaa50baef2@mail.gmail.com> Well, acre is still the standard in the colonies, and of course we use furlongs when discussing ponies. From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 10:21:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:21:04 -0600 Subject: Popup menu selection Message-ID: <541F4681-D5A8-460F-A3EC-1B7559E3A1FB@gmail.com> I have a couple pop-up button menus that I create on-the-fly (in mouseDown) based on what's going on. They also act as combo box selections, where one of the items is "current," with "!r" in front of it. Is it possible for me to somehow tell the popup to auto-magically scroll down to the current selection instead of always reopening the menu at the top? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 18 10:33:14 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:33:14 -0800 Subject: Popup menu selection Message-ID: <4B7D5DBA.9040900@fourthworld.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > I have a couple pop-up button menus that I create on-the-fly > (in mouseDown) based on what's going on. They also act as combo > box selections, where one of the items is "current," with "!r" > in front of it. > > Is it possible for me to somehow tell the popup to auto-magically > scroll down to the current selection instead of always reopening > the menu at the top? To set the current selection of an option control you set its menuHistory property. But note that setting that property also trigger's the button's menuPick handler, which can be problematic in some circumstances. To counter this, Ken Ray and I have adopted a habit of using a handler like this one to set an option control's current choice: on SetOption pBtnName, pNum lock messages set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum unlock messages end SetOption It would be ideal if the language provided a native command for this, but tucking this into your standard library at least gets the job down for now. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 10:38:01 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:38:01 -0500 Subject: survey In-Reply-To: <4B7D0B05.7050502@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D0B05.7050502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002180738x1b72355du2af006930b770e04@mail.gmail.com> While we're on this off-topic, the first time I saw a native Pacific Islander map, I was stunned. "But, that's not where Yap is!" - well, when you travel by current and wind and you don't have satellites, yes, that's exactly where it is, and you can get there in 6 days if you quit bitching about the map and instead get going! From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Feb 18 10:43:27 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:43:27 -0500 Subject: Popup menu selection In-Reply-To: <4B7D5DBA.9040900@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7D5DBA.9040900@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > To counter this, Ken Ray and I have adopted a habit of using a > handler like this one to set an option control's current choice: > > on SetOption pBtnName, pNum > lock messages > set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum > unlock messages > end SetOption One small suggestion. It is a good idea to restore the lockMessages to it's original state when setting the property in a library call. Unlike lock/unlock screen the engine doesn't keep track of how many times lock/unlock messages has been called. Messages are either locked or not. Restoring the state can save headaches later on if you had messages locked before calling SetOption and can't figure out why messages are locked after calling it. on SetOption pBtnName, pNum put the lockMessages into theMsgsAreLocked lock messages set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum set the lockMessages to theMsgsAreLocked end SetOption -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 18 11:09:45 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:09:45 -0500 Subject: constantMask not working on Windows In-Reply-To: <1266362479317-1558072.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <711ACEBD-0974-410B-966C-C9A34D7E27C6@mac.com> <1266362479317-1558072.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <90EEFA0B-3C99-4DBD-9E9B-FB744F62D889@mac.com> Thanks Alejandro, Unoptimizing in Gimp solved the problem and I no longer need to use constantMask (which doesn't work right on windows). This should be a note in the docs. Thanks again. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > To solve this problem, i have used GIMP to convert > gif animations: > > Open your animation in Gimp and click > on menu Filters> Animation> Unoptimize > > Save the animation with a new name. > > UnOptimize removes some of the optimizations that > compression and encoding add to gif files. > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/constantMask-not-working-on-Windows-tp1558057p1558072.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 11:40:44 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: stack crashing IDE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760559.7067.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> You might try running Vista in Safe Mode to see if there is a driver conflict hiding in the shadows. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Bernard Devlin wrote: > From: Bernard Devlin > Subject: stack crashing IDE > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 8:15 AM > On Vista, I went to open a stack that > I haven't looked at for a few > weeks.? But as soon as I try to open it, the IDE > crashes. > > No popup from Rev to say that the stack is corrupted.? > Sometimes I am > able to get a crash warning from the OS: > > Problem Event Name:??? APPCRASH > ? Application Name:??? Revolution.exe > ? Application Version:??? 4.0.0.950 > ? Application Timestamp:??? 4af84e48 > ? Fault Module Name:??? Revolution.exe > ? Fault Module Version:??? 4.0.0.950 > ? Fault Module Timestamp:??? 4af84e48 > ? Exception Code:??? c0000005 > ? Exception Offset:??? 0008e720 > ? OS Version:??? 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3 > ? Locale ID:??? 2057 > ? Additional Information 1:??? fd00 > ? Additional Information 2:??? > ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 > ? Additional Information 3:??? fd00 > ? Additional Information 4:??? > ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 > > I have used this stack many times throughout January 2010, > and as far > as I can remember, there was no problem the last time I was > using it. > Furthermore, I haven't updated Rev in months. > > The only thing I can think that might cause something like > this, is > that the stack makes use of some externals: Valentina and > revBrowser. > I haven't changed anything to the Valentina install since > the > beginning of January, long before I was using this > stack.? And if I > open up the Valentina sample stack, there is no problem > using > Valentina.? Using VStudio I can open the valentina db > the stack > references. So it doesn't look like the issue is with > Valentina.? I've > checked the browser sampler stack, and that opens a browser > window, so > it doesn't look like revBrowser is the problem either. > > I've set lockMessages to true before opening the stack, but > still the > IDE crashes. > > Any suggestions as to how I can find out more about what is > going on? > There is the Vista crash log, but there's nothing in there > that I can > make use of. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 12:03:58 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:03:58 -0600 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7D72FE.4070005@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > Obviously you are not experiencing normal so many of us here would be > very interested in more details to understand why. And if I were a > betting man, I'd be putting my money on the end result will be using > Globals will be the fastest option for you. Agreed. Dr. Raney once told me speed was in this order: global variables local variables custom properties fields So I too would like to know what the situation is where fields could possibly be faster than the other options. If the field is hidden or the IDE is not running (i.e., a CGI,) I might be able to see that fields could be as fast as custom properties since most of the overhead of writing to fields involves the drawing routines. But it shouldn't be faster than variables. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From effendi at wanadoo.fr Thu Feb 18 12:24:03 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:24:03 +0100 Subject: Reminder - We'd like your feedback Message-ID: <131E62AB-32CB-498D-8501-D5B4C03A3089@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Brittany (and that is in France just in case you are from the US !) I got your Survey Request, and as a fervent (and I mean every word of that) user of Revolution, I SUBMITTED to your survey. Things got complicated when I checked "retired" ! Then I got questions like "Are you a CEO", etc. etc and then I couldn't go any further. How do you do it ? Do you not consider that Revolution could be used as a hobby by retired Telecomunications Specialists ? Do you only consider those who can bring you more money ? Would you like me to give you a hand into preparing your surveys ? I put as much money as I could into Revolution Studio and On-Rev, and it cost me big bucks, but I can't do without it, and I need it and develop with it every day! But I will stop answering your surveys, because I am not a CEO with 10,000 people working for me. ..... Until you put a leader question in your surveys : "Do you use Revolution for making money, or because you love it " With The Greatest Respect -Francis From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu Feb 18 12:40:24 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:40:24 -0600 Subject: Reminder - We'd like your feedback In-Reply-To: <131E62AB-32CB-498D-8501-D5B4C03A3089@wanadoo.fr> References: <131E62AB-32CB-498D-8501-D5B4C03A3089@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <2D5D6DC8-C7BF-4E11-82A0-35AF249E0589@me.com> Nice assumption. On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Brittany > > (and that is in France just in case you are from the US !) From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Feb 18 12:50:55 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:50:55 -0500 Subject: Reminder - We'd like your feedback In-Reply-To: <131E62AB-32CB-498D-8501-D5B4C03A3089@wanadoo.fr> References: <131E62AB-32CB-498D-8501-D5B4C03A3089@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Things got complicated when I checked "retired" ! > > Then I got questions like "Are you a CEO", etc. etc > > and then I couldn't go any further. > > How do you do it ? Do you not consider that Revolution > could be used as a hobby by retired Telecomunications > Specialists ? Do you only consider those who can bring > you more money ? Would you like me to give you a hand > into preparing your surveys ? Perhaps it was just a mistake when they created the survey and no ill will was intended? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:14:10 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:14:10 +0200 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> On 18/02/2010 17:01, Hugh Senior wrote: > Of course we use the word 'fortnight'! What an odd question. > > I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely REFUSE to work in > metric weights and distances which remain completely meaningless to me. I > also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to time, as in "I haven't seen him > in a twelvemonth". > > But then again I am old-school English where the word 'modern' refers to > anything from the 20's onward. > > Aye, and there's 2 Angels in a Merk, 3 Merks is 2 Pounds Scots; and I can not for the life of me remember whether a score of ounces Troy are more or less than a bushel of bull's pizzle walking-sticks . . . :0 From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:15:22 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:15:22 +0200 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002180720j5b88f7d0w584debfaa50baef2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100218144149.E89F928819A@mail.runrev.com> <9b408d8e1002180720j5b88f7d0w584debfaa50baef2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D83BA.3050200@gmail.com> On 18/02/2010 17:20, Mikey wrote: > Well, acre is still the standard in the colonies, and of course we use > furlongs when discussing ponies. > _______________________________________________ > And I measure the amount of silly messages I have written of this sort in Bristol barrels. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:18:15 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:18:15 +0200 Subject: Reminder - We'd like your feedback In-Reply-To: References: <131E62AB-32CB-498D-8501-D5B4C03A3089@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <4B7D8467.4000805@gmail.com> On 18/02/2010 19:50, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > >> Things got complicated when I checked "retired" ! >> >> Then I got questions like "Are you a CEO", etc. etc >> >> and then I couldn't go any further. >> >> How do you do it ? Do you not consider that Revolution >> could be used as a hobby by retired Telecomunications >> Specialists ? Do you only consider those who can bring >> you more money ? Would you like me to give you a hand >> into preparing your surveys ? > > Perhaps it was just a mistake when they created the survey and no ill > will was intended? > Um . . . revAcademy - see my earlier 'grunt'. From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:20:52 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:20:52 -0500 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7D83BA.3050200@gmail.com> References: <20100218144149.E89F928819A@mail.runrev.com> <9b408d8e1002180720j5b88f7d0w584debfaa50baef2@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D83BA.3050200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002181020w55ee17b8ufbbca6d98b767626@mail.gmail.com> love it. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 18 13:57:21 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:57:21 -0800 Subject: Popup menu selection Message-ID: <4B7D8D91.1030203@fourthworld.com> Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> To counter this, Ken Ray and I have adopted a habit of using a >> handler like this one to set an option control's current choice: >> >> on SetOption pBtnName, pNum >> lock messages >> set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum >> unlock messages >> end SetOption > > One small suggestion. It is a good idea to restore the lockMessages to > it's original state when setting the property in a library call. > Unlike lock/unlock screen the engine doesn't keep track of how many > times lock/unlock messages has been called. Messages are either locked > or not. > > Restoring the state can save headaches later on if you had messages > locked before calling SetOption and can't figure out why messages are > locked after calling it. > > on SetOption pBtnName, pNum > put the lockMessages into theMsgsAreLocked > lock messages > set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum > set the lockMessages to theMsgsAreLocked > end SetOption Good catch. One of the downsides to writing code off the cuff to the list rather than digging up my library is overlooking important details like that. Thanks for the more complete version. While looking into the lockMessages property recently I came across this note: The lockMessages property is automatically set to false when a palette, modeless, or modal stack is opened, even if a handler is still running. This struck me as a bit odd. I can understand why it's like that for modal dialogs, since they more or less operate as though in their own event loop. But palettes? Is that useful? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Feb 18 14:03:18 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:03:18 -0500 Subject: Popup menu selection In-Reply-To: <4B7D8D91.1030203@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7D8D91.1030203@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > While looking into the lockMessages property recently I came across > this note: > > The lockMessages property is automatically set to false when a > palette, modeless, or modal stack is opened, even if a handler > is still running. > > This struck me as a bit odd. I can understand why it's like that > for modal dialogs, since they more or less operate as though in > their own event loop. But palettes? Is that useful? I don't see why it would be helpful with palettes. Then again, I don't understand why lockmessages does many of the things it does :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 14:09:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:09:01 -0600 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > Every attempt I make at pronouncing a word in Thai is greeted > with furrowed brows or hilarity (and often in that order). A Cambodian acquaintance was telling me how Americans just can't hear the different intonations in their language. She gave as an example the words for "dog" and...um... male bits, which are identical except for the tonalities. I made her repeat the words several times and I could not for the life of me hear any difference at all. I tried to say "dog" and she exploded in laughter. Which makes me quite certain that I never, ever want to inquire about a lost dog in Cambodia. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 14:10:08 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:10:08 -0600 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <4B7D72FE.4070005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> <4B7D72FE.4070005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B7D9090.1080400@hyperactivesw.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > Dr. Raney once told me speed was in this order: > > global variables > local variables > custom properties > fields I should amend that. I'm not positive about the order of the first two. I might have them reversed. What I am sure about is that variables are faster than properties, which are faster than fields. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 14:10:36 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0500 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002181110u28cabe26r878b96e5c425cdcd@mail.gmail.com> So maybe what you're saying is that they MISTAKENLY eat so much...dog...there. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 18 14:14:47 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <4B7D72FE.4070005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> <4B7D72FE.4070005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1266520487202-1560686.post@n4.nabble.com> It must be the first mistake you make when writing your first Rev program - at least, it was mine. On an old used donated celeron, I had written a script that went through several thousands of lines and extracted sub totals from tab delimited fields. As the file increased in size, the computation slowed down. I was of course doing it in fields. Finally when it was starting to take minutes, I put in a button that said 'just look at the report, don't redo it'! The things we think of! In the end, I discovered that you should sum the subtotals into variables and then put the variables into the fields, and it became almost instant. So this seems like a very easy thing to test, just generate 20k lines of numbers and do some totals into fields and also alternatively into a variable and then put into the same fields. The difference in my experience on a slow machine was, literally, a matter of minutes. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/FYI-writing-to-and-reading-from-fields-much-faster-than-locals-globals-or-custom-properties-tp1559633p1560686.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 14:17:11 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:17:11 -0600 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002181110u28cabe26r878b96e5c425cdcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <9b408d8e1002181110u28cabe26r878b96e5c425cdcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D9237.9050300@hyperactivesw.com> Mikey wrote: > So maybe what you're saying is that they MISTAKENLY eat so > much...dog...there. I'm not going there, Mikey. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 18 14:21:03 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:21:03 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties Message-ID: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> At 03:09:01 CST 2010 Kay C Lan wrote: >> On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: >> > Rev reads and >>> writes to fields super fast! >> > > Clearly Richard 'the Benchmark King' Gaskin is asleep right now, but > when he wakes I'm sure he'll have the figures. Maybe that should be "Benchmark Obsessive". :) True, I was sleeping at 1AM PST, but when I got up this morning I found this intriguing enough to pull out one of my old test stacks. In fact, while I was at it I took some notes for an article on benchmarking I've been itching to write and posted it to revJournal: Benchmarking Performance in RevTalk Using this exercise of data access as an example, the code, results, and downloadable stack are in this section: The bottom line in my tests reflect Dr. Raney's comments that Jacque noted: Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 LockScreen = true LockMessages = true Results: Visible field, current card: 22 Hidden field, current card: 23 Visible field, unopened card: 13 Hidden field, unopened card: 14 Custom property: 5 Global variable: 1 Local variable: 2 Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 LockScreen = false LockMessages = false Results: Visible field, current card: 3353 Hidden field, current card: 4823 Visible field, unopened card: 13 Hidden field, unopened card: 14 Custom property: 13 Global variable: 2 Local variable: 1 One of the challenges in attempting to determine performance within a complex system is that there's so much going on that can affect things. Benchmarking specific elements in isolation removes most of those interactions, usually leading to more repeatable results. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Feb 18 14:21:16 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:21:16 -0800 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely REFUSE to > > work in metric weights and distances which remain completely > > meaningless to me. I also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to > > time, as in "I haven't seen him in a twelvemonth". I think that's just fine for normal communication, but this should be food for thought about servicing international markets. Even if the receiving party knows what these things are, it communicates something else the the receiver that you might use local vocabulary or colloquialisms for official communication. Back before I became a souless business person, I taught some high school. There was a British story that referred to rubber boots as "rubbers" repeatedly. That's not something you can trot out in a high school class without expecting disruption ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu Feb 18 14:30:39 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:30:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: revEnterprise v4.5.0-dp-2 Message-ID: <1266521439625-1560716.post@n4.nabble.com> When I start rev once in a while I get an update message. I am currently using 4.0.0-gm-1 Should I upgrade to v4.5.0-dp-2 What are the pros and cons? I don't really want to jack anything up, but some bug fixes wouldn't hurt. Suggestions? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/revEnterprise-v4-5-0-dp-2-tp1560716p1560716.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 18 14:33:03 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:33:03 +0100 Subject: revEnterprise v4.5.0-dp-2 In-Reply-To: <1266521439625-1560716.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266521439625-1560716.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <709AED74-334D-4776-B728-250210B19050@mac.com> dp means "developer preview". It's a nicer way of saying "beta", and mostly interesting if you want to test the newest features, which will be released in the next version of rev. It is not recommended to use such versions in any productive way. On 18 Feb 2010, at 20:30, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > When I start rev once in a while I get an update message. > > I am currently using 4.0.0-gm-1 > > Should I upgrade to v4.5.0-dp-2 > > What are the pros and cons? -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu Feb 18 14:36:23 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:36:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: revEnterprise v4.5.0-dp-2 In-Reply-To: <709AED74-334D-4776-B728-250210B19050@mac.com> References: <1266521439625-1560716.post@n4.nabble.com> <709AED74-334D-4776-B728-250210B19050@mac.com> Message-ID: <1266521783056-1560721.post@n4.nabble.com> Thought so, thanks! -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/revEnterprise-v4-5-0-dp-2-tp1560716p1560721.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 14:41:05 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:41:05 +0200 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> On 18/02/2010 21:21, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >>> I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely REFUSE to >>> work in metric weights and distances which remain completely >>> meaningless to me. I also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to >>> time, as in "I haven't seen him in a twelvemonth". >>> > I think that's just fine for normal communication, but this should be food > for thought about servicing international markets. Even if the receiving > party knows what these things are, it communicates something else the the > receiver that you might use local vocabulary or colloquialisms for official > communication. > > Back before I became a souless business person, I taught some high school. > There was a British story that referred to rubber boots as "rubbers" > repeatedly. That's not something you can trot out in a high school class > without expecting disruption ;-) > > Hey-Ho, divided by a common language! I think you will find that "rubbers" refers in that context to GALOSHES. Of course, down in my school, where I teach Primary children, they use rubbers all the time . . . but then, unlike standard Bulgarian school practice, I insist that the children use pencils so that they can correct their mistakes with rubbers rather than leave great, ugly, scrawlings-out in their exercise books. Possibly, some of us on the use-list are sufficiently old enough to remember an album by the Beatles called "Rubber Soul" - presumably that is what you are referring to your having lost . . . :) It is available on CD: http://www.amazon.com/Rubber-Soul-Remastered-Beatles/dp/B0025KVLT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1266522000&sr=8-1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- And there, surely, lies the fundamental difference between British rubbers and North American rubbers: the former are used to correct mistakes, the latter to prevent them. What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the literal translation of the Bulgarian word for what North Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' . . . and I always thought that was something you put in jam! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 14:54:58 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:54:58 +0200 Subject: Fonts in Ubuntu and RunRev . . . Again Message-ID: <4B7D9B12.7080902@gmail.com> The documentation for Ubuntu says that if one pops TrueType fonts into a folder inside the Home/User folder applications will 'see' them - and that is generally true. But it is not true for RunRev, which, apprently, only 'sees' the fonts inside the system itself . . . SO . . . How the "H" does one deliver a Linux standalone to an end-user that requires the end-user to install a font bundled with the standalone ? This is Richmond's BIG BUGBEAR with RunRev on Linux, and has been for quite some time . . . :( From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 18 15:09:58 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:09:58 -0800 Subject: Popup menu selection In-Reply-To: <4B7D8D91.1030203@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7D8D91.1030203@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Gang, This brings me right to an issue I'm having. I have a tricky thing that uses several cards in a single stack used as a drawer. I want to go cleanly to a certain card in the stack before the drawer is displayed. What's the best way to make the drawer open cleanly without showing another card? Or better yet, how to change the current card for a drawer stack without it showing or flashing before display? thanks for any ideas. sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 18 February 2010 10:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Trevor DeVore wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> To counter this, Ken Ray and I have adopted a habit of using a >>> handler like this one to set an option control's current choice: >>> >>> on SetOption pBtnName, pNum >>> lock messages >>> set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum >>> unlock messages >>> end SetOption >>> >> >> One small suggestion. It is a good idea to restore the lockMessages to >> it's original state when setting the property in a library call. >> Unlike lock/unlock screen the engine doesn't keep track of how many >> times lock/unlock messages has been called. Messages are either locked >> or not. >> >> Restoring the state can save headaches later on if you had messages >> locked before calling SetOption and can't figure out why messages are >> locked after calling it. >> >> on SetOption pBtnName, pNum >> put the lockMessages into theMsgsAreLocked >> lock messages >> set the menuHistory of btn pBtnName to pNum >> set the lockMessages to theMsgsAreLocked >> end SetOption >> > > Good catch. One of the downsides to writing code off the cuff to the list > rather than digging up my library is overlooking important details like > that. Thanks for the more complete version. > > While looking into the lockMessages property recently I came across this > note: > > The lockMessages property is automatically set to false when a > palette, modeless, or modal stack is opened, even if a handler > is still running. > > This struck me as a bit odd. I can understand why it's like that for modal > dialogs, since they more or less operate as though in their own event loop. > But palettes? Is that useful? > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Feb 18 15:11:09 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:11:09 -0600 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65101A96-4B61-4120-8F67-34CF9C3EC74D@earthlink.net> No, 'rubbers' are something you put ON to avoid GETTING in a jam. :-) OK. I'll stop now with the sophomoric humor. Sorry. On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the literal translation of the > Bulgarian word for what North Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' . . . > > and I always thought that was something you put in jam! From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 15:19:09 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:19:09 -0600 Subject: Popup menu selection In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D8D91.1030203@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002181219p128ca636n67e0dba434ad0580@mail.gmail.com> Stephen, I haven't tried it, but can you use the "go invisible" command to go to the card and then use the "drawer" command to display the stack as a drawer? Jeff M. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:09 PM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > Hi Gang, > > This brings me right to an issue I'm having. > > I have a tricky thing that uses several cards in a single stack used as a > drawer. I want to go cleanly to a certain card in the stack before the > drawer is displayed. What's the best way to make the drawer open cleanly > without showing another card? Or better yet, how to change the current card > for a drawer stack without it showing or flashing before display? > > thanks for any ideas. > > From kevin at stallibrass.com Thu Feb 18 15:52:57 2010 From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:52:57 -0000 Subject: Odd colour effects with mac plug in Message-ID: <20100218205249.AF227488FE6@mail.runrev.com> I built a revlet which views fine on all my windows boxes and while it viewed Ok on the mac (leopard) I still had the old problem of the dialogue appearing behind safari when the revlet opened a find file dialogue. Wondering if this had been fixed, I downloaded the latest plug in from the mother ship and sure enough, it works! Except that all text in the revlet is now bright blue where it should be black and cyan where it should be red. Interestingly, any plug in dialogues also display blue text. The exception appears to be text within a drop down menu or combo box. This displays fine. Any ideas? From sniderl at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 15:56:56 2010 From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:56:56 -0500 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: References: <4B7BFD4F.4090808@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1002181256o345606d6mf0b54088690bb36d@mail.gmail.com> Andre, Could it be that the execute bit needs to be set on the Linux stand-alone? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > I just updated to rev 4.5 dp2 and tried to save my app as standalone : I get > the same as with rev 4.0 : for Linux a text file!! and the standalone for > Mac not working. > > I can't access to the thread on the improve list (I don"t remember my > password and am waiting for a new one!!!) > > I am a bit tired to see the message : "Standalone application saved > successfully"!! > > A couple of days ago, on Rev 4.0, I saved my app. as standalone without any > problem > > Any help would be much appreciated > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? > > Le 17 f?vr. 10 ? 15:29, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > >> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> >>> If you are using Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-1, then there is a known issue >>> with standalones. There was a thread on the improve list with a >>> download link to get the fixed engines. >> >> FWIW, this issue seems specific to the IDE. ?In my own IDE, using the v4.5 >> dev engine's _internal command to build my standalones from the v4.5 runtime >> engines produces a runnable app. >> >> The good news there is that the actual mechanism that builds the >> standalones seems fine, and the engines themselves are fine, it's just >> something in the IDE which is likely easy to fix. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sniderl at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 16:16:09 2010 From: sniderl at gmail.com (Larry Snider) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:16:09 -0500 Subject: when saving as standalone get a text file; Help! In-Reply-To: <4f1cb39a1002181256o345606d6mf0b54088690bb36d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7BFD4F.4090808@fourthworld.com> <4f1cb39a1002181256o345606d6mf0b54088690bb36d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f1cb39a1002181316t2f354f95u54862fad077303c7@mail.gmail.com> Nevermind. It might help to read the entire thread before posting. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Larry Snider wrote: > Andre, > > Could it be that the execute bit needs to be set on the Linux stand-alone? > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Andre.Bisseret > wrote: >> I just updated to rev 4.5 dp2 and tried to save my app as standalone : I get >> the same as with rev 4.0 : for Linux a text file!! and the standalone for >> Mac not working. >> >> I can't access to the thread on the improve list (I don"t remember my >> password and am waiting for a new one!!!) >> >> I am a bit tired to see the message : "Standalone application saved >> successfully"!! >> >> A couple of days ago, on Rev 4.0, I saved my app. as standalone without any >> problem >> >> Any help would be much appreciated >> >> Best regards from Grenoble >> >> Andr? >> >> Le 17 f?vr. 10 ? 15:29, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : >> >>> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >>> >>>> If you are using Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-1, then there is a known issue >>>> with standalones. There was a thread on the improve list with a >>>> download link to get the fixed engines. >>> >>> FWIW, this issue seems specific to the IDE. ?In my own IDE, using the v4.5 >>> dev engine's _internal command to build my standalones from the v4.5 runtime >>> engines produces a runnable app. >>> >>> The good news there is that the actual mechanism that builds the >>> standalones seems fine, and the engines themselves are fine, it's just >>> something in the IDE which is likely easy to fix. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World >>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Feb 18 16:58:56 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:58:56 -0800 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: > And there, surely, lies the fundamental difference between > British rubbers and North American rubbers: > > the former are used to correct mistakes, > > the latter to prevent them. > > What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the > literal translation of the Bulgarian word for what North > Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' > . . . > > and I always thought that was something you put in jam! It feels good to have a good laugh in the afternoon :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 17:40:45 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:40:45 -0500 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413301002181440q75e7e000ib41b0a3e4134e32e@mail.gmail.com> While we lived in Belgium, my wife was complaining how cold it was in mid-January to a Brit ex-pat and said she was "freezing her fanny off" and the ex-pat almost fainted. She learned that their understanding of the word Fanny was backwards from our definition! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > And there, surely, lies the fundamental difference between > > British rubbers and North American rubbers: > > > > the former are used to correct mistakes, > > > > the latter to prevent them. > > > > What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the > > literal translation of the Bulgarian word for what North > > Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' > > . . . > > > > and I always thought that was something you put in jam! > > It feels good to have a good laugh in the afternoon :-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 18 17:50:39 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:50:39 +0000 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? Message-ID: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Dear all, i am in the process of switching from Windows to Mac.Not really switching, but i want to develop on Mac OS X. As i am using some tools, which are not available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. So i would prefer VmWare Fusion. especially because i could move my existing virtual machines also to the Mac. But this is not a requirement. Are there any users on the list, which are using one or maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if there are any problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones under virtual Windows machines? Regards, Matthias From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Feb 18 17:54:19 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:54:19 +0000 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> And further along the translation highway... I was reading the list of ingredients on an English bottle of ketchup we had bought in Spain (oh the profanity!) translating as I went along into Spanish. I got to 'preservatives' and read it out as 'preservativos', which is the official word for a 'rubber' (in the prophylactic sense) in Spain. They didn't want any on their chips. I also heard of this one: In a restaurant in Portugal they had Goose Barnacles on the menu. In Spanish, and it appears in Portuguese also, they are called 'Percebes'. Now, the proprietor wisely consulted a Portuguese to English dictionary to offer these delicacies to a wider audience. Unfortunately (maybe it was a concise dictionary) the other meaning for 'percebes' in Portuguese is 'understanding', which he didn't. So they were offering 'understandings' on the menu. It's a weird, wonderful world. Cheers, Luis. Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 18/02/2010 21:21, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >>>> I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely REFUSE to >>>> work in metric weights and distances which remain completely >>>> meaningless to me. I also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to >>>> time, as in "I haven't seen him in a twelvemonth". >>>> >> I think that's just fine for normal communication, but this should be >> food >> for thought about servicing international markets. Even if the receiving >> party knows what these things are, it communicates something else the the >> receiver that you might use local vocabulary or colloquialisms for >> official >> communication. >> >> Back before I became a souless business person, I taught some high >> school. >> There was a British story that referred to rubber boots as "rubbers" >> repeatedly. That's not something you can trot out in a high school class >> without expecting disruption ;-) >> >> > Hey-Ho, divided by a common language! I think you will find that > "rubbers" refers in that context to GALOSHES. > > Of course, down in my school, where I teach Primary children, they use > rubbers all the time . . . but then, unlike standard Bulgarian school > practice, I insist that the children use pencils so that they can correct > their mistakes with rubbers rather than leave great, ugly, scrawlings-out > in their exercise books. > > Possibly, some of us on the use-list are sufficiently old enough to > remember > an album by the Beatles called "Rubber Soul" - presumably that is what you > are referring to your having lost . . . :) It is available on CD: > > http://www.amazon.com/Rubber-Soul-Remastered-Beatles/dp/B0025KVLT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1266522000&sr=8-1 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > And there, surely, lies the fundamental difference between British rubbers > and North American rubbers: > > the former are used to correct mistakes, > > the latter to prevent them. > > What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the literal > translation of the > Bulgarian word for what North Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' > . . . > > and I always thought that was something you put in jam! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 17:56:52 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:56:52 -0600 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002181456p30049e9cu2e1136ee5d454ee6@mail.gmail.com> I've used both and definitely liked VMware far more than Parallels. But, Parallels has since gone from version 3 to 5, and perhaps it's improved. Jeff M. From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Feb 18 18:32:03 2010 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:32:03 -0800 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4756F3BF-6916-4D33-A161-28D9C0A906C0@cox.net> Hi Matthias, I've completed a couple of standalones on a Mac, one with Tiger and a couple with SnowLeopard - MacOSX versions, Classic Mac for one of them, and Windows XP versions for all of them. This was a few months back. I was using Fusion 3 something in the beginning and then moved up to 4 with XP and the stand alones work OK, though I had deleted some of the features that the Mac Versions used, and I haven't redone it yet with Snow Leopard. I was able to run them OK. Some were basically just slide shows, but one was quite a bit more complex. My biggest problems were trying to get sound (music clips) and voices to work on the Windows stand alones. Since that was just frosting on the cake, I ended up getting rid of those features for the Window's versions. I've had a very good experience with Fusion. I never tried Parallels. Most of the programs are 50 or more MBs; mostly pictures with commentary. HTH, Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:50 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Dear all, > > i am in the process of switching from Windows to Mac.Not really switching, but i want to develop on Mac OS X. As i am using some tools, which are not available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. So i would prefer VmWare Fusion. especially because i could move my existing virtual machines also to the Mac. But this is not a requirement. Are there any users on the list, which are using one or maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if there are any problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones under virtual Windows machines? > > Regards, > > Matthias From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 18 18:32:39 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:32:39 -0800 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002181456p30049e9cu2e1136ee5d454ee6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <963c86eb1002181456p30049e9cu2e1136ee5d454ee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This would be a good time to find out what people are using for x-platform dev with macs-- What is the most 'centric' version of Windows to allow one develop in a virtualized space with minimum fuss (if that's possible with Windows). I'm considering the free Sun virtualizer - what are the pros and cons vs the others? ( and I don't want to use Boot Camp - too inconvenient) thanks ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 18 February 2010 14:56, Jeff Massung wrote: > I've used both and definitely liked VMware far more than Parallels. But, > Parallels has since gone from version 3 to 5, and perhaps it's improved. > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 18:38:36 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:38:36 -0600 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B7DCF7C.5080104@hyperactivesw.com> runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Dear all, > > i am in the process of switching from Windows to Mac.Not really > switching, but i want to develop on Mac OS X. As i am using some > tools, which are not available for Mac, i need to run a virtual > machine also on my mac. On my windows machines i am running several > virtual machines on VmWare Workstation and i am really satisfied with > it. So i would prefer VmWare Fusion. especially because i could move > my existing virtual machines also to the Mac. But this is not a > requirement. Are there any users on the list, which are using one or > maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if there are any > problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones under > virtual Windows machines? I've always used Parallels, and everything works fine there. Never had any issues. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Feb 18 18:43:39 2010 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:43:39 -0800 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <963c86eb1002181456p30049e9cu2e1136ee5d454ee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I'm using Fusion WITH Bootcamp, so I could boot directly into Windows if I wanted, but prefer the Fusion connection so I can bounce back and forth between XP and OSX. Most of the time I'm using XP to read the California Building Code which doesn't come in a Mac version. I find what I need, copy it, go to my OSX applications and paste the text, and/or graphics (screen shots) where needed. Fusion minimizes to the dock when I go to OSX. Only reason for doing this is that Spotlight doesn't find anything on XP docs. At one point, I tried to transfer the entire code into a Mac doc, but it's just too huge. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect On Feb 18, 2010, at 3:32 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > This would be a good time to find out what people are using for x-platform > dev with macs-- > > What is the most 'centric' version of Windows to allow one develop in a > virtualized space with minimum fuss (if that's possible with Windows). I'm > considering the free Sun virtualizer - what are the pros and cons vs the > others? ( and I don't want to use Boot Camp - too inconvenient) > > thanks > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > On 18 February 2010 14:56, Jeff Massung wrote: > >> I've used both and definitely liked VMware far more than Parallels. But, >> Parallels has since gone from version 3 to 5, and perhaps it's improved. >> >> Jeff M. >> _______________________________________________ From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 18:56:25 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:56:25 +1000 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: > i am in the process of switching ?from Windows to Mac.Not really switching, but i want to develop on Mac OS X. ?As i am using some tools, which are not available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. ?So i would prefer VmWare Fusion. especially because i could move my existing virtual machines also to the Mac. But this is not a requirement. Are there any users on the list, which are using one or maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if there are any problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones under virtual Windows machines? I used to use Fusion, but since I rarely use it, I didn't see the value in paying for the recent upgrade. Now I use Sun's Virtual Box which is free. I don't think it gives the same level of performance as either Fusion or Parallels but is fine for testing standalones, creating icons, building Windows installers etc. Parallels & Fusion have both released recent upgrades and I think they are quite similar, although I seem to remember reading that Parallels now has the performance edge. It really depends what you want to do. My kids play all the latest PC games using BootCamp. If you need graphics performance, then BootCamp is the way to go. If you don't use high-end graphics, then any of the virtualisation programs will do a good job. Since you already have VMware virtual machines, I would go with Fusion or Virtual Box (which can also read these vm's). Cheers, Sarah From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 18:57:24 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:57:24 -0600 Subject: Odd colour effects with mac plug in In-Reply-To: <20100218205249.AF227488FE6@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100218205249.AF227488FE6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B7DD3E4.8030202@hyperactivesw.com> Kevin Stallibrass wrote: > I downloaded the latest plug in from the > mother ship and sure enough, it works! Except that all text in the revlet is > now bright blue where it should be black and cyan where it should be red. > Interestingly, any plug in dialogues also display blue text. The exception > appears to be text within a drop down menu or combo box. This displays fine. Odd. If your stacks don't have their own colors set, they will inherit the default colors of the OS. I wonder if your revlet thinks those are your browser's default colors. You could try building your revlet using a stack that has its backcolor and fontcolor specifically set the way you want and see if that works. When standalones are built, they used to always inherit the colors of the Home stack if they didn't have their own. I wonder if revlets are bypassing that by mistake. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Feb 18 19:05:44 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:05:44 +0100 Subject: Odd colour effects with mac plug in In-Reply-To: <4B7DD3E4.8030202@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100218205249.AF227488FE6@mail.runrev.com> <4B7DD3E4.8030202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <57F1EF7A-44B0-4002-8057-4004F676DD6E@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, This is seems to be a problem related to PowerPC processors. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 19 feb 2010, om 00:57 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven: > Kevin Stallibrass wrote: >> I downloaded the latest plug in from the >> mother ship and sure enough, it works! Except that all text in the >> revlet is >> now bright blue where it should be black and cyan where it should >> be red. >> Interestingly, any plug in dialogues also display blue text. The >> exception >> appears to be text within a drop down menu or combo box. This >> displays fine. > > Odd. If your stacks don't have their own colors set, they will > inherit the default colors of the OS. I wonder if your revlet thinks > those are your browser's default colors. You could try building your > revlet using a stack that has its backcolor and fontcolor > specifically set the way you want and see if that works. > > When standalones are built, they used to always inherit the colors > of the Home stack if they didn't have their own. I wonder if revlets > are bypassing that by mistake. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 18 19:18:42 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:18:42 -0800 Subject: Odd colour effects with mac plug in In-Reply-To: <57F1EF7A-44B0-4002-8057-4004F676DD6E@economy-x-talk.com> References: <20100218205249.AF227488FE6@mail.runrev.com> <4B7DD3E4.8030202@hyperactivesw.com> <57F1EF7A-44B0-4002-8057-4004F676DD6E@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: I had a similar effect with ISHOW-U HD; they had to code around the fact that G5's showed the captured video in PURPLE. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 18 February 2010 16:05, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi, > > This is seems to be a problem related to PowerPC processors. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. > > Op 19 feb 2010, om 00:57 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven: > > > Kevin Stallibrass wrote: >> >>> I downloaded the latest plug in from the >>> mother ship and sure enough, it works! Except that all text in the revlet >>> is >>> now bright blue where it should be black and cyan where it should be >>> red. >>> Interestingly, any plug in dialogues also display blue text. The >>> exception >>> appears to be text within a drop down menu or combo box. This displays >>> fine. >>> >> >> Odd. If your stacks don't have their own colors set, they will inherit the >> default colors of the OS. I wonder if your revlet thinks those are your >> browser's default colors. You could try building your revlet using a stack >> that has its backcolor and fontcolor specifically set the way you want and >> see if that works. >> >> When standalones are built, they used to always inherit the colors of the >> Home stack if they didn't have their own. I wonder if revlets are bypassing >> that by mistake. >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 19:29:24 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:29:24 +0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Maybe that should be "Benchmark Obsessive". :) > > True, I was sleeping at 1AM PST, but when I got up this morning I found this > intriguing enough to pull out one of my old test stacks. ?In fact, while I > was at it I took some notes for an article on benchmarking I've been itching > to write and posted it to revJournal: > Hmmm, maybe 'Benchmark Obsessive Compulsive' ;-) Using Richard's stack: MBP 17" 2.16 GHz, 2GB RAM OS X.6.2, Rev 4.0.0 Build 950 Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 LockScreen = true LockMessages = true Results: Visible field, current card: 24 Hidden field, current card: 22 Visible field, unopened card: 13 Hidden field, unopened card: 14 Custom property: 4 Global variable: 2 Local variable: 1 Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 LockScreen = false LockMessages = false Results: Visible field, current card: 2367 Hidden field, current card: 2856 Visible field, unopened card: 15 Hidden field, unopened card: 14 Custom property: 37 Global variable: 2 Local variable: 1 So very similar results. Josh, we are waiting ??? From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 19:38:22 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:38:22 +0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > > Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched to reading and writing a custom property. > > Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button several times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, etc. > Actually, using Richard's benchmark stack, I consistently get customProperties slower than fields if the LockMessages is false and the LockScreen is true. MBP 17" 2.16 GHz, 2GB RAM OS X.6.2, Rev 4.0.0 Build 950 Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 LockScreen = true LockMessages = false Results: Visible field, current card: 23 Hidden field, current card: 22 Visible field, unopened card: 14 Hidden field, unopened card: 14 Custom property: 37 Global variable: 2 Local variable: 1 If Josh was using such a set-up, with fields on an unopened card, that's a significant performance hit to move to customProperties. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 18 19:53:03 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:53:03 +0000 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? Message-ID: <000009CB.4B7DEEFE@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Thanks for all your comments. So the best is i have to look at both programs. Maybe there are trial versions available. Now i have to wait about 14 days for my mac to arrive. There seems to be delivery problems with the iMac. But i can treat with that. What are 14 days compared to the time i am waiting for the conference dvds. ;-) Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? (18-Feb-2010 23:53) From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Dear all, > > i am in the process of switching from Windows to Mac.Not really switching, > but i want to develop on Mac OS X. As i am using some tools, which are not > available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my > windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare > Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. So i would prefer VmWare > Fusion. especially because i could move my existing virtual machines also > to the Mac. But this is not a requirement. Are there any users on the list, > which are using one or maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if > there are any problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones > under virtual Windows machines? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 20:08:18 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:08:18 +0800 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Luis wrote: > > I was reading the list of ingredients on an English bottle of ketchup we had > bought in Spain A free weeks subscription to the Rev Use List for anyone who knows the origin of the word ketchup without looking it up in the dictionary. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 20:15:12 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:15:12 +0800 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:09 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > Which makes me quite certain that I never, ever want to inquire about a lost > dog in Cambodia. > What about your poor husband.... Hi I'm Gay and I'm looking for...... ;-) From bobs at twft.com Thu Feb 18 20:16:42 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:16:42 -0800 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight". In-Reply-To: <90C2BF0F-6599-4E87-B338-1E45327765F9@gmail.com> References: <36063BBB-B008-4DF5-A7A1-29111423F392@wanadoo.fr> <90C2BF0F-6599-4E87-B338-1E45327765F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3DC8ACE8-ABFD-4963-827F-119137261619@twft.com> That assumes that the medium remains constant, and that there are no gravity wells nearby. Also, some scientists believe that the density of space time is not a constant, so it's all relative anyway. I think I would have failed your Jr High physics class just by virtue of pissing off the teacher. :-) Bob On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > I think it was in my junior high school physics class that we we were given the exercise of calculating the speed of light in furlongs per fortnight. > > (approx 3.35 * 10^17) > > -- Peter From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp Thu Feb 18 21:13:20 2010 From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:13:20 +0900 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CB.4B7DEEFE@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CB.4B7DEEFE@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B7DF3C0.80103@tkf.att.ne.jp> There was a recent review on the web of Parallels, Fusion and the freebie one - forget the name. Parallels was judged the quickest. I have Fusion on one Mac, using the Bootcamp (Apple's scheme for running Windows) partition. Parallels on another machine (same speed CPU) using its own install of WinXP, not Bootcamp. I don't notice much of a difference in speed when running apps, but Parallels is much, much faster at start up and shut down. Not sure if that is the result of using/not using the Bootcamp partition, but because of that I like Parallels a lot better. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Thanks for all your comments. > So the best is i have to look at both programs. Maybe there are trial versions available. > > Now i have to wait about 14 days for my mac to arrive. There seems to be delivery problems with the iMac. But i can treat with that. What are 14 days compared to the time i am waiting for the conference dvds. ;-) > > Matthias > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 18 21:35:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:35:28 -0600 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:09 AM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: >> Which makes me quite certain that I never, ever want to inquire about a lost >> dog in Cambodia. >> > What about your poor husband.... Hi I'm Gay and I'm looking for...... ;-) :) I think I've posted this before but it's too good a line to let go of. A few years ago my husband looked up from the evening news and said, "Gay marriage has been an institution in our family for generations. I don't see what the big deal is." -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From len-morgan at crcom.net Thu Feb 18 22:11:54 2010 From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:11:54 -0600 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CB.4B7DEEFE@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CB.4B7DEEFE@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B7E017A.3050707@crcom.net> You might also want to take a look at "VirtualBox" by Sun. It's free, fast, and cross platform. http://www.virtualbox.org len On 2/18/2010 6:53 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Thanks for all your comments. > So the best is i have to look at both programs. Maybe there are trial versions available. > > Now i have to wait about 14 days for my mac to arrive. There seems to be delivery problems with the iMac. But i can treat with that. What are 14 days compared to the time i am waiting for the conference dvds. ;-) > > Matthias > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? (18-Feb-2010 23:53) > From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > >> Dear all, >> >> i am in the process of switching from Windows to Mac.Not really switching, >> but i want to develop on Mac OS X. As i am using some tools, which are not >> available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my >> windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare >> Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. So i would prefer VmWare >> Fusion. especially because i could move my existing virtual machines also >> to the Mac. But this is not a requirement. Are there any users on the list, >> which are using one or maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if >> there are any problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones >> under virtual Windows machines? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> >> >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 18 22:29:26 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:29:26 -0800 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <4B7E017A.3050707@crcom.net> References: <000009CB.4B7DEEFE@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B7E017A.3050707@crcom.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I got Sun Vbox when I downloaded the Linux package that Andre arranged. I tried to get the package working, but the image I downloaded was not recognized so I didn't get to try the virtualizer yet. Andre said "point it (the virtualizer) to the package" but I couldn't get it to show up. Does someone know the trick? thanks sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 18 February 2010 19:11, Len Morgan wrote: > You might also want to take a look at "VirtualBox" by Sun. It's free, > fast, and cross platform. > > http://www.virtualbox.org > > len > > > On 2/18/2010 6:53 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > >> Thanks for all your comments. >> So the best is i have to look at both programs. Maybe there are trial >> versions available. >> >> Now i have to wait about 14 days for my mac to arrive. There seems to be >> delivery problems with the iMac. But i can treat with that. What are 14 days >> compared to the time i am waiting for the conference dvds. ;-) >> >> Matthias >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? (18-Feb-2010 23:53) >> From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de >> To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de >> >> >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> i am in the process of switching from Windows to Mac.Not really >>> switching, >>> but i want to develop on Mac OS X. As i am using some tools, which are >>> not >>> available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my >>> windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare >>> Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. So i would prefer VmWare >>> Fusion. especially because i could move my existing virtual machines also >>> to the Mac. But this is not a requirement. Are there any users on the >>> list, >>> which are using one or maybe both of the programs and could tell me, if >>> there are any problems with the programs especially using Revstandalones >>> under virtual Windows machines? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 18 23:12:10 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:12:10 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. Message-ID: Hi again, I have a client's project that must be compiled for both mac and windows. To save money, we worked out an agreement for me to write the initial code for mac and test it and he'd compile for the other platform. I, of course the ever- mac-evangelist (Yes I was on Guy's Evangel-list) have put off my day of Windows reckoning until this moment, and cannot test this out for myself. I am paying the price for my platform bigotry. It's some kind of language-learning thing, I don't know - he was quite secretive and really didn't tell me what this was for, just exact specs on the way it looked and exactly what he wanted it to do. Anyway, the basic idea is that this "player" loads in a pre-encrypted audio file inside the mac app package, decrypts the file (it's an MP3) and since we can't run audio from a variable, I have to create a temp file to play the audio. So I use the tempname, then delete each temp file when there are more than two (sort of a cache if it's played repeatedly). The file begins with a dot, just to make everyone feel better. It's name is just an encoded time-stamp. I'm using much of Eric Chatonet's example code to run the player part. (yes I've donated several times and will again) This does use the encryption library, but he was sure he had the enterprise version. So the last culprit might be the player. But Eric's demo stack DID compile for windows. Also there were problems with drag and drop. I know this lame asking for clues about something I don't have a way to test at the moment.. but for the sake of the client I felt like I should ask if anyone else here has had any similar experience. This is a really simple stack with no platform dependencies except Quicktime. Perhaps it's pathnames - On the mac, the folders with the encrypted audio data are located right next to the executable in the MacOS folder. On the PC - I've instructed him to put the folders just outside the .exe Same path, right? -- and I use "the effective filename of this stack" to find out where I am for both... The companion encryption stack works fine for both platforms. thanks for any clues. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 01:21:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:21:47 +0200 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7B1C6F.4060306@tweedly.net> <9b408d8e1002170614p4e7b8bc2pf8128134aa279fa7@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> On 19/02/2010 04:35, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Kay C Lan wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:09 AM, J. Landman Gay >> wrote: >>> Which makes me quite certain that I never, ever want to inquire >>> about a lost >>> dog in Cambodia. >>> >> What about your poor husband.... Hi I'm Gay and I'm looking >> for...... ;-) > > :) I think I've posted this before but it's too good a line to let go > of. A few years ago my husband looked up from the evening news and > said, "Gay marriage has been an institution in our family for > generations. I don't see what the big deal is." > You have me stumped; there is absolutely no way I can top THAT ONE! Bravo. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 19 01:53:57 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:53:57 -0800 Subject: custom properties Message-ID: <4B7E3585.3060708@fourthworld.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: >> >> Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched >> to reading and writing a custom property. >> >> Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button >> several times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, >> etc. > > Actually, using Richard's benchmark stack, I consistently get > customProperties slower than fields if the LockMessages is false and > the LockScreen is true. > > MBP 17" 2.16 GHz, 2GB RAM > OS X.6.2, Rev 4.0.0 Build 950 > > Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 > LockScreen = true > LockMessages = false > > Results: > Visible field, current card: 23 > Hidden field, current card: 22 > Visible field, unopened card: 14 > Hidden field, unopened card: 14 > Custom property: 37 > Global variable: 2 > Local variable: 1 > > If Josh was using such a set-up, with fields on an unopened card, > that's a significant performance hit to move to customProperties. While his description suggests a difference greater than we see in your results, I think you may have stumbled across a useful distinction here: When I wrote this I was unable to get the results you posted, but since your system config is very similar to mine and our other results were almost exact matches, I figured the must be a way for me to be able to reproduce your results. Then I figured it out: You're not running my custom IDE. :) In my IDE, forked from MC, it follows MC's tradition of lean message handling; it's a very close match to the runtime environment, more closely matching behavior of standalones. In contrast, Rev's IDE has a number of setProp and getProp handlers in its front and backscripts. Once I ran my test in the Rev IDE I was able to get results like yours with those settings. Since everything else is the same except for the getProp and setProp handlers elsewhere in the environment, there would seem to be a relationship between the number of such handlers in the message path and the performance of property accesses, even for properties completely unrelated to those handled by the getProp and setProp handlers (looks like an opportunity for optimization). I haven't tried this out yet, but I wonder if one had a setProp/getProp-rich message path whether it would slow down performance as much as described. But even then, none of this explains how variables could appear slower. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 19 04:54:28 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:54:28 +0100 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: if it's visa or seven, you might run into virtualisation when writing to the system application folder. On 19 Feb 2010, at 05:12, stephen barncard wrote: > ... > Perhaps it's pathnames - On the mac, the folders with the encrypted audio > data are located right next to the executable in the MacOS folder. > > On the PC - I've instructed him to put the folders just outside the .exe > > Same path, right? -- and I use "the effective filename of this stack" to > find out where I am for both... -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From dr.alistair at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 05:05:13 2010 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:05:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users In-Reply-To: <1266359734167-1558042.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> <1266359734167-1558042.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266573913337-1561379.post@n4.nabble.com> This is really interesting. I have placed my mark up in Far North Queensland. Now all we need is 3 more Australian revvers to cover NT, WA and Tassie. What a fascinating way to visualise information. thanks guys Alistair -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/OT-Where-do-you-live-world-map-of-runrev-users-tp1557291p1561379.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From e.reicher at gmx.at Fri Feb 19 06:16:55 2010 From: e.reicher at gmx.at (Ernst Michael Reicher) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:16:55 +0100 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <20100218233206.AC7AD288C99@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100218233206.AC7AD288C99@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1DF8DD86-7797-4A15-967E-EC4CB2166047@gmx.at> Need Win Applications in my job. Started with Parallels and was quit satisfied BUT since version 4 networking doesn?t work satisfactory so I went to Fusion and its works well. Perhaps Par.version 5 works better?!?!!?!? Parallels had better Mac like look..... Regards, Ernst From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 06:29:56 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:29:56 +0000 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:50 PM, wrote: >>> i am in the process of switching ?from Windows to Mac.Not really switching, but i want to develop on Mac OS X. ?As i am using some tools, which are not available for Mac, i need to run a virtual machine also on my mac. On my windows machines i am running several virtual machines on VmWare Workstation and i am really satisfied with it. <<< There's one other option. QEMU and it's free. I dismissed this for a long time, but after I'd had problems with both VMWare and VirtualBox (both of which I otherwise liked) I tried QEMU. It appears that QEMU is the basis for VirtualBox and for the XEN hypervisor, i.e. they are some fork of QEMU. Bernard From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 19 08:32:02 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:32:02 -0200 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002190532m4ecb1a69vc1b272d05cc1e9a1@mail.gmail.com> I've used Parallels, VMWare Fusion and Virtual Box, in that order, now, I use only virtual box even as I've paid for Fusion 1.0 and Parallels from 1.0 to 3.0. One good thing I like in virtualbox is that I have it on my mac and on my linux machines, so I can test things on my macbook or fat pc and keep working on the other machine. Also the FREE part is appealing. :D On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:50 PM, ? wrote: >>>> > i am in the process of switching ?from Windows to Mac.Not really > switching, but i want to develop on Mac OS X. ?As i am using some > tools, which are not available for Mac, i need to run a virtual > machine also on my mac. On my windows machines i am running several > virtual machines on VmWare Workstation and i am really satisfied with > it. > <<< > > There's one other option. QEMU and it's free. ?I dismissed this for a > long time, but after I'd had problems with both VMWare and VirtualBox > (both of which I otherwise liked) I tried QEMU. ?It appears that QEMU > is the basis for VirtualBox and for the XEN hypervisor, i.e. they are > some fork of QEMU. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From psahores at free.fr Fri Feb 19 08:53:31 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:53:31 +0100 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002190532m4ecb1a69vc1b272d05cc1e9a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <7c87a2a11002190532m4ecb1a69vc1b272d05cc1e9a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E0A7DFC-968A-4D36-8B54-5CA5774E2E97@free.fr> Same here after a direct switch from Parallels 3.0 to Virtual Box, because its smallest processor's time needs and because it never crashes ;-) Le 19 f?vr. 10 ? 14:32, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > I've used Parallels, VMWare Fusion and Virtual Box, in that order, > now, I use only virtual box even as I've paid for Fusion 1.0 and > Parallels from 1.0 to 3.0. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 19 09:04:35 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:04:35 -0200 Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users In-Reply-To: <1266573913337-1561379.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> <1266359734167-1558042.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266573913337-1561379.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002190604v6fc5d56bs52edc76339eb1e81@mail.gmail.com> hohoho, if this was a game of risk, I would rule an entire continent! :D :D On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:05 AM, planix wrote: > > This is really interesting. I have placed my mark up in Far North Queensland. > Now all we need is 3 more Australian revvers to cover NT, WA and Tassie. > What a fascinating way to visualise information. > > thanks guys > > Alistair > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/OT-Where-do-you-live-world-map-of-runrev-users-tp1557291p1561379.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 19 09:00:14 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:00:14 -0200 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <6E0A7DFC-968A-4D36-8B54-5CA5774E2E97@free.fr> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <7c87a2a11002190532m4ecb1a69vc1b272d05cc1e9a1@mail.gmail.com> <6E0A7DFC-968A-4D36-8B54-5CA5774E2E97@free.fr> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002190600sb8203c2na594bff3ea5bc31e@mail.gmail.com> Pierre, Smaller processor's time needs means it doesn't lock the computer all time like parallels used to? :D On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Same here after a direct switch from Parallels 3.0 to Virtual Box, because > its smallest processor's time needs and because it never crashes ;-) > > Le 19 f?vr. 10 ? 14:32, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > >> I've used Parallels, VMWare Fusion and Virtual Box, in that order, >> now, I use only virtual box even as I've paid for Fusion 1.0 and >> Parallels from 1.0 to 3.0. > > Best Regards, > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 10:02:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:02:04 -0600 Subject: Menu visuals on Vista/Win 7 Message-ID: <5B66A493-A897-4913-A75A-27FFF56C24BF@gmail.com> So, I don't know how to describe this as I don't have access to a vista/7 machine (I use XP), but friends who are testing my RSS app have sent me screenshots (which I can post later if needed) that clearly show the menu bar only going to the edge of the help menu and then ending. On XP the menu likely ends abruptly as well, instead of using the entire stack width, but is unnoticeable since the menu background is the same as the stack background color. Anyway, I was wondering if there was a simple fix for this. Can I just set the width of the menu group to the stack width and it "just work" or am I going to have to do something a little more inventive? Thanks! Jeff M. From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 19 10:10:39 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:10:39 -0600 Subject: [ANN] tRev now sporting 'background' tabs! Message-ID: Lovers of tabbed browsing of scripts, This week's video shows you how to open scripts to objects in new tabs while remaining in the current tab. http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther Here are the details along with other improvements... New Background Tabs - Now you can open a tab to another object while staying in your current tab. - This allows you to keep working in the browser or on a script. - Use command key (control on PCs) to open a tab without going to it. - Works on Browser line items, links-to-handlers in code, and the scratchpad. - Command+double-clicking a line item in Browser no longer edits name of line item. Easier Scratch pad locking - When scratch pad is unlocked, escape key locks it. Fixed - If tRev thinks it's offline on startup, it now tries again. - Scratch Pad contents now reliably preserved from session-to-session. - When in zoom mode, controls in list can now be renamed. - When in zoom mode and controls being renamed, escape key now exits renaming. Best, Jerry Daniels Last week's Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom From h at FlexibleLearning.com Fri Feb 19 10:28:08 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:28:08 -0000 Subject: Menu visuals on Vista/Win 7 In-Reply-To: <20100219150215.8DF40289938@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, The former... set the width of grp [menubarname] to the width of this stack. Assuming the lockloc is true it should just expand in the right way for you. If the lockloc is false, you'll have to set the rect of grp [menubarname] to 0,0,width,height instead. Alternatively set the opaque of the menubar grp to false. /H [snip] Anyway, I was wondering if there was a simple fix for this. Can I just set the width of the menu group to the stack width and it "just work" or am I going to have to do something a little more inventive? Thanks! Jeff M. From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Feb 19 11:43:48 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:43:48 -0700 Subject: [OT]Re: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <9BDBB3E1-C31E-4320-AB58-B48461151E8D@byu.edu> On Feb 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Luis wrote: >> >> I was reading the list of ingredients on an English bottle of >> ketchup we had >> bought in Spain > > A free weeks subscription to the Rev Use List for anyone who knows the > origin of the word ketchup without looking it up in the dictionary. Well, the urban legend I've always heard is that Heinz wanted to differentiate themselves from the competition, so invented an alternate spelling of 'catsup'. I also remember a tomato-y sauce in Indonesian restaurants in Holland called 'ketjap' (I may be misremembering the spelling.) Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 11:48:08 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:48:08 EST Subject: SuperDuper textSize property Message-ID: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> This is nothing new, and has always been the case in HC. I make a field and I set the textSize of the field to 12. I write three lines of text. I then set the textSize of line 2 of the field to 24. That line gets bigger. If I ask for the textSize of line 2, I get 24. If I ask for the textSize of the field, I get 12. If I then set the textSize of the field to 10, all lines but line 2 obey. OK, they always did. Lines (or chunks in general) remember their textSize (or textStyle, or textAnything) as a personal property, taking precedence over the field property. So is it true that in order to globally change one of these properties I have to explicitly use some sort of chunk expression: set line 1 to the number of lines of fld myField to "plain" I only ask because Rev seems to have a property for everything. There isn't an overArchingTextStyle property? Craig Newman From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 11:51:19 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:51:19 +0000 Subject: stack crashing IDE In-Reply-To: <760559.7067.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <760559.7067.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > You might try running Vista in Safe Mode to see if there is a driver conflict hiding in the shadows. Michael, thanks for the suggestion - I would not have thought of that. Unfortunately, it didn't work. I had no choice but to go back to an earlier backed-up version and use that. It seems that the last few versions I had would all crash Rev on start up. Very strange. Bernard From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 19 12:01:47 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:01:47 -0200 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002190901l7eac4cf5ma3acbc138c621ddb@mail.gmail.com> the portuguese word for being ashamed is the spanish word for being pregnant... also, funny differences from portugal portuguese to brazil portuguese: portugal bicha means a queue of people, in brazil it means gay in the queer sense. portugal cueca means the girls or boys underwear while in brazil it means only boys. portugal durex means condoms while in brazil it is that sticky tape you use to glue stuff to notebooks. portugal pica means to get an injection (shot) for medicina, in brazil is the slang for the mens private parts when it is happy and proud. portugal propinas means tax while in brazil it means bribe. portugal tes?o means point while in brazil it means being horny. portugal cacete which is a short bagette bread, in brazil means male private parts as well, it is also a popular interjection used whenever you need to scream something, I use it when someone tries to hit my car when they shouldn't. but my all time favorite is the portuguese expression that they use when a woman is on her period, they use "estar com historias" which literally means "having stories"?!?! On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Luis wrote: > And further along the translation highway... > > I was reading the list of ingredients on an English bottle of ketchup we had > bought in Spain (oh the profanity!) translating as I went along into > Spanish. I got to 'preservatives' and read it out as 'preservativos', which > is the official word for a 'rubber' (in the prophylactic sense) in Spain. > They didn't want any on their chips. > > I also heard of this one: > In a restaurant in Portugal they had Goose Barnacles on the menu. > In Spanish, and it appears in Portuguese also, they are called 'Percebes'. > Now, the proprietor wisely consulted a Portuguese to English dictionary to > offer these delicacies to a wider audience. Unfortunately (maybe it was ?a > concise dictionary) the other meaning for 'percebes' in Portuguese is > 'understanding', which he didn't. So they were offering 'understandings' on > the menu. > > It's a weird, wonderful world. > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> >> On 18/02/2010 21:21, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely REFUSE to >>>>> work in metric weights and distances which remain completely >>>>> meaningless to me. I also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to >>>>> time, as in "I haven't seen him in a twelvemonth". >>>>> >>> >>> I think that's just fine for normal communication, but this should be >>> food >>> for thought about servicing international markets. Even if the receiving >>> party knows what these things are, it communicates something else the the >>> receiver that you might use local vocabulary or colloquialisms for >>> official >>> communication. >>> >>> Back before I became a souless business person, I taught some high >>> school. >>> There was a British story that referred to rubber boots as "rubbers" >>> repeatedly. That's not something you can trot out in a high school class >>> without expecting disruption ;-) >>> >>> >> >> Hey-Ho, divided by a common language! ?I think you will find that >> "rubbers" refers in that context to GALOSHES. >> >> Of course, down in my school, where I teach Primary children, they use >> rubbers all the time . . . but then, unlike standard Bulgarian school >> practice, I insist that the children use pencils so that they can correct >> their mistakes with rubbers rather than leave great, ugly, scrawlings-out >> in their exercise books. >> >> Possibly, some of us on the use-list are sufficiently old enough to >> remember >> an album by the Beatles called "Rubber Soul" - presumably that is what you >> are referring to your having lost . . . ?:) ?It is available on CD: >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Rubber-Soul-Remastered-Beatles/dp/B0025KVLT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1266522000&sr=8-1 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> And there, surely, lies the fundamental difference between British rubbers >> and North American rubbers: >> >> the former are used to correct mistakes, >> >> the latter to prevent them. >> >> What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the literal >> translation of the >> Bulgarian word for what North Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' . >> . . >> >> and I always thought that was something you put in jam! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From luis at anachreon.co.uk Fri Feb 19 12:09:18 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:09:18 +0000 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002190901l7eac4cf5ma3acbc138c621ddb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> <7c87a2a11002190901l7eac4cf5ma3acbc138c621ddb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CB5714A-C6BE-4C61-8F76-897544FC8186@anachreon.co.uk> Anyone else spot a trend there?... ;P Cheers, Luis. On 19 Feb 2010, at 17:01, Andre Garzia wrote: > the portuguese word for being ashamed is the spanish word for being > pregnant... > > also, funny differences from portugal portuguese to brazil portuguese: > > portugal bicha means a queue of people, in brazil it means gay in the > queer sense. > > portugal cueca means the girls or boys underwear while in brazil it > means only boys. > > portugal durex means condoms while in brazil it is that sticky tape > you use to glue stuff to notebooks. > > portugal pica means to get an injection (shot) for medicina, in brazil > is the slang for the mens private parts when it is happy and proud. > > portugal propinas means tax while in brazil it means bribe. > > portugal tes?o means point while in brazil it means being horny. > > portugal cacete which is a short bagette bread, in brazil means male > private parts as well, it is also a popular interjection used whenever > you need to scream something, I use it when someone tries to hit my > car when they shouldn't. > > but my all time favorite is the portuguese expression that they use > when a woman is on her period, they use "estar com historias" which > literally means "having stories"?!?! > > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Luis wrote: >> And further along the translation highway... >> >> I was reading the list of ingredients on an English bottle of >> ketchup we had >> bought in Spain (oh the profanity!) translating as I went along into >> Spanish. I got to 'preservatives' and read it out as >> 'preservativos', which >> is the official word for a 'rubber' (in the prophylactic sense) in >> Spain. >> They didn't want any on their chips. >> >> I also heard of this one: >> In a restaurant in Portugal they had Goose Barnacles on the menu. >> In Spanish, and it appears in Portuguese also, they are called >> 'Percebes'. >> Now, the proprietor wisely consulted a Portuguese to English >> dictionary to >> offer these delicacies to a wider audience. Unfortunately (maybe >> it was a >> concise dictionary) the other meaning for 'percebes' in Portuguese is >> 'understanding', which he didn't. So they were offering >> 'understandings' on >> the menu. >> >> It's a weird, wonderful world. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luis. >> >> >> >> Richmond Mathewson wrote: >>> >>> On 18/02/2010 21:21, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I similarly use acres, furlongs and guinees. I absolutely >>>>>> REFUSE to >>>>>> work in metric weights and distances which remain completely >>>>>> meaningless to me. I also use the word 'twelvemonth' from time to >>>>>> time, as in "I haven't seen him in a twelvemonth". >>>>>> >>>> >>>> I think that's just fine for normal communication, but this >>>> should be >>>> food >>>> for thought about servicing international markets. Even if the >>>> receiving >>>> party knows what these things are, it communicates something >>>> else the the >>>> receiver that you might use local vocabulary or colloquialisms for >>>> official >>>> communication. >>>> >>>> Back before I became a souless business person, I taught some high >>>> school. >>>> There was a British story that referred to rubber boots as >>>> "rubbers" >>>> repeatedly. That's not something you can trot out in a high >>>> school class >>>> without expecting disruption ;-) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Hey-Ho, divided by a common language! I think you will find that >>> "rubbers" refers in that context to GALOSHES. >>> >>> Of course, down in my school, where I teach Primary children, >>> they use >>> rubbers all the time . . . but then, unlike standard Bulgarian >>> school >>> practice, I insist that the children use pencils so that they can >>> correct >>> their mistakes with rubbers rather than leave great, ugly, >>> scrawlings-out >>> in their exercise books. >>> >>> Possibly, some of us on the use-list are sufficiently old enough to >>> remember >>> an album by the Beatles called "Rubber Soul" - presumably that is >>> what you >>> are referring to your having lost . . . :) It is available on CD: >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Rubber-Soul-Remastered-Beatles/dp/ >>> B0025KVLT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1266522000&sr=8-1 >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> >>> And there, surely, lies the fundamental difference between >>> British rubbers >>> and North American rubbers: >>> >>> the former are used to correct mistakes, >>> >>> the latter to prevent them. >>> >>> What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the literal >>> translation of the >>> Bulgarian word for what North Americans call 'rubbers' is >>> 'preservative' . >>> . . >>> >>> and I always thought that was something you put in jam! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Fri Feb 19 12:17:30 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:17:30 +0100 Subject: SuperDuper textSize property In-Reply-To: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> References: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> Message-ID: <79DD2186-561F-4117-B3DC-7BF391F648A2@unil.ch> Hi Craig, I don't no if it's an overArchingTextStyle property somewhere, but a simple way to homogeneize the text of a file id put the text of fld "x" into fld "x" . So you get rid of any chunk formatting Jacques Le 19 f?vr. 2010 ? 17:48, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit : > This is nothing new, and has always been the case in HC. > > I make a field and I set the textSize of the field to 12. I write three > lines of text. > I then set the textSize of line 2 of the field to 24. That line gets > bigger. > If I ask for the textSize of line 2, I get 24. If I ask for the textSize of > the field, I get 12. > If I then set the textSize of the field to 10, all lines but line 2 obey. > > OK, they always did. Lines (or chunks in general) remember their textSize > (or textStyle, or textAnything) as a personal property, taking precedence > over the field property. > > So is it true that in order to globally change one of these properties I > have to explicitly use some sort of chunk expression: > > set line 1 to the number of lines of fld myField to "plain" > > I only ask because Rev seems to have a property for everything. There isn't > an overArchingTextStyle property? > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From cmsheffield at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 12:27:13 2010 From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:27:13 -0700 Subject: revlet newbie questions Message-ID: So I'm just now playing with revlets, and was hoping to be able to convert an existing desktop app to a revlet, just as kind of a proof of concept thing. So far I'm striking out. Running on a Mac, OS X 10.6.2, it's totally locking up Firefox and, while Safari doesn't lock up, the revlet doesn't load properly. I just get a blank screen. This is a fairly complex desktop app, basically a front end to a mysql database, so I'm sure there is simply code in there that will not run in a revlet. So I'm wondering, is there a good, single source out there somewhere that lists what works and what doesn't work in a revlet? Things to avoid in revlets? One thing I discovered is that the "go stack" command is supported in a revlet, but I can't seem to make it work unless I use the "go stack in window" form. Is that the only way to do it? This app consists of several stack files, not substacks of one main stack, but rather several main stack files that are opened and closed depending on what the user is doing. Is that a problem in a revlet? Is it necessary to build each stack file into a revlet, or can they remain in their regular stack file and still be loaded using "go stack" from the first stack, which would be built as a revlet? I've noticed in the Rev documentation that the "Class" column lists whether or not handlers work in a revlet, but is there some way to filter the list? I don't seem to be able to. The search field seems to only search on the handler/property names. What would be really nice, and I suppose I could do this myself if I had the time right now, would be a little plugin for Rev that could scan through an open stack and spit out a list of the "incompatilities" with revlets that appear in that stack. Any takers? If not, can someone point me to a "step-by-step" revlet guide? Hopefully I'm not asking too much. :-) Thanks, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From revdev at pdslabs.net Fri Feb 19 12:27:54 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:27:54 -0800 Subject: SuperDuper textSize property In-Reply-To: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> References: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B7ECA1A.4010505@pdslabs.net> On 2/19/10 8:48 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > This is nothing new, and has always been the case in HC. > > I make a field and I set the textSize of the field to 12. I write three > lines of text. > I then set the textSize of line 2 of the field to 24. That line gets > bigger. > If I ask for the textSize of line 2, I get 24. If I ask for the textSize of > the field, I get 12. > If I then set the textSize of the field to 10, all lines but line 2 obey. > > OK, they always did. Lines (or chunks in general) remember their textSize > (or textStyle, or textAnything) as a personal property, taking precedence > over the field property. > > So is it true that in order to globally change one of these properties I > have to explicitly use some sort of chunk expression: > > set line 1 to the number of lines of fld myField to "plain" > Hi Craig, You want to REMOVE the chunk-based text property, not set it to another value, right? So try this: set the textAnything of line 1 to -1 of fld myField to empty If you set it to a non-empty value, you've only traded one chunk-based setting for another. At least that's my understanding. Phil Davis > I only ask because Rev seems to have a property for everything. There isn't > an overArchingTextStyle property? > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Fri Feb 19 12:48:54 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:48:54 +0100 Subject: SuperDuper textSize property In-Reply-To: <79DD2186-561F-4117-B3DC-7BF391F648A2@unil.ch> References: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> <79DD2186-561F-4117-B3DC-7BF391F648A2@unil.ch> Message-ID: <97E88409-D809-4615-A13D-1CC74721BF86@unil.ch> Seems it's time to put the lights on... I wanted to write: "I don't know if it's an overArchingTextStyle property somewhere, but a simple way to homogeneize the text of a field is put the text of fld "x" into fld "x" . So you get rid of any chunk formatting" Do they still sell Ten thumbs, at RunRev ? Jacques Le 19 f?vr. 2010 ? 18:17, Jacques Hausser a ?crit : > Hi Craig, > > I don't no if it's an overArchingTextStyle property somewhere, but a simple way to homogeneize the text of a file id > > put the text of fld "x" into fld "x" . So you get rid of any chunk formatting > > Jacques > > Le 19 f?vr. 2010 ? 17:48, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit : > >> This is nothing new, and has always been the case in HC. >> >> I make a field and I set the textSize of the field to 12. I write three >> lines of text. >> I then set the textSize of line 2 of the field to 24. That line gets >> bigger. >> If I ask for the textSize of line 2, I get 24. If I ask for the textSize of >> the field, I get 12. >> If I then set the textSize of the field to 10, all lines but line 2 obey. >> >> OK, they always did. Lines (or chunks in general) remember their textSize >> (or textStyle, or textAnything) as a personal property, taking precedence >> over the field property. >> >> So is it true that in order to globally change one of these properties I >> have to explicitly use some sort of chunk expression: >> >> set line 1 to the number of lines of fld myField to "plain" >> >> I only ask because Rev seems to have a property for everything. There isn't >> an overArchingTextStyle property? >> >> Craig Newman >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > ****************************************** > Prof. Jacques Hausser > Department of Ecology and Evolution > Biophore / Sorge > University of Lausanne > CH 1015 Lausanne > please use my private address: > 6 route de Burtigny > CH-1269 Bassins > tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 > mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 > E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From psahores at free.fr Fri Feb 19 13:04:04 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:04:04 +0100 Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002190600sb8203c2na594bff3ea5bc31e@mail.gmail.com> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <7c87a2a11002190532m4ecb1a69vc1b272d05cc1e9a1@mail.gmail.com> <6E0A7DFC-968A-4D36-8B54-5CA5774E2E97@free.fr> <7c87a2a11002190600sb8203c2na594bff3ea5bc31e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D9A82F3-4975-4FDF-A7E6-F3FE94514419@free.fr> True and never more than 3-4% while PC's apps are on idle ;-) Kind Regards, P. Le 19 f?vr. 10 ? 15:00, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > Pierre, > > Smaller processor's time needs means it doesn't lock the computer all > time like parallels used to? > > :D > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Pierre Sahores > wrote: >> Same here after a direct switch from Parallels 3.0 to Virtual Box, >> because >> its smallest processor's time needs and because it never crashes ;-) >> >> Le 19 f?vr. 10 ? 14:32, Andre Garzia a ?crit : >> >>> I've used Parallels, VMWare Fusion and Virtual Box, in that order, >>> now, I use only virtual box even as I've paid for Fusion 1.0 and >>> Parallels from 1.0 to 3.0. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 13:07:53 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:07:53 EST Subject: SuperDuper textSize property Message-ID: Jacques. Yes, thanks. I have done that and similar things, especially when cutting and pasting from the script editor into these list messages. if you don't, the message size gets enormous, and is stopped at the border by the moderators. Craig In a message dated 2/19/10 12:18:10 PM, jacques.hausser at unil.ch writes: > > > put the text of fld "x" into fld "x" . So you get rid of any chunk > formatting > From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 13:10:33 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:10:33 EST Subject: SuperDuper textSize property Message-ID: Phil. I was looking for a native way to override chunk text properties with field text properties. Your suggestion would work fine, but it is, again, a chunk thing, not a field thing. Craig From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 13:13:04 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:13:04 EST Subject: SuperDuper textSize property Message-ID: Right, but that still leaves me without a native way to set the textStyle, say, to "bold". I have to use a chunk-like expression to do that, not a field-like expression. Craig In a message dated 2/19/10 12:49:34 PM, jacques.hausser at unil.ch writes: > Seems it's time to put the lights on... I wanted to write: > > "I don't know if it's an overArchingTextStyle property somewhere, but a > simple way to homogeneize the text of a field is > > put the text of fld "x" into fld "x" . So you get rid of any chunk > formatting" > > Do they still sell Ten thumbs, at RunRev ? > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 19 13:29:37 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:29:37 -0500 Subject: revEnterprise v4.5.0-dp-2 In-Reply-To: <1266521439625-1560716.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1266521439625-1560716.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Andrew, Things like this might better be asked on the improve list as not everyone will be getting the chance for an update here on the use list and you might end up letting out info that is expected to be private and under NDA.... I know cause it happened to me once... Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > When I start rev once in a while I get an update message. > > I am currently using 4.0.0-gm-1 > > Should I upgrade to v4.5.0-dp-2 > > What are the pros and cons? > > I don't really want to jack anything up, but some bug fixes wouldn't hurt. > > Suggestions? > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/revEnterprise-v4-5-0-dp-2-tp1560716p1560716.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 19 13:46:04 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:46:04 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just need a Windows test bed for REV, not the latest version of Windows. I really don't want to have to deal with all this extra security crap. Will Windows XP SP3 do what I need for now to test out Rev Features? Microsoft is really trying hard to get people to NOT use XP. They are buying a ton of adwords with keywords like "Download Windows XP" that swamps the search engines. These "sites" are just a bunch of domains that redirect to the Windows 7 sales site. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/2/19 Bj?rnke von Gierke > if it's visa or seven, you might run into virtualisation when writing to > the system application folder. > > > On 19 Feb 2010, at 05:12, stephen barncard wrote: > > > ... > > Perhaps it's pathnames - On the mac, the folders with the encrypted audio > > data are located right next to the executable in the MacOS folder. > > > > On the PC - I've instructed him to put the folders just outside the .exe > > > > Same path, right? -- and I use "the effective filename of this stack" to > > find out where I am for both... > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 19 13:46:49 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:46:49 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The client is using Windows XP. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/2/19 Bj?rnke von Gierke > if it's visa or seven, you might run into virtualisation when writing to > the system application folder. > > > On 19 Feb 2010, at 05:12, stephen barncard wrote: > > > ... > > Perhaps it's pathnames - On the mac, the folders with the encrypted audio > > data are located right next to the executable in the MacOS folder. > > > > On the PC - I've instructed him to put the folders just outside the .exe > > > > Same path, right? -- and I use "the effective filename of this stack" to > > find out where I am for both... > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Fri Feb 19 14:15:23 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:15:23 +0100 Subject: SuperDuper textSize property In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AB4C86F-0F1A-424F-B156-5225AC1CCDC2@unil.ch> Craig, It's seems logical that a property you set for some object dominates an equivalent inherited property. It could not work otherwise, and it is the same at any level. So you have to kill the chunk properties (by replacing the formatted text by plain text) to actualise the field properties (which can be set before or after the kill)... put the text of fld "X" into fld "X" set the textstyle of fld "X" to "bold" or set the textstyle of fld "X" to "bold" put the text of fld "X" into fld "X" Jacques Le 19 f?vr. 2010 ? 19:13, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit : > Right, but that still leaves me without a native way to set the textStyle, > say, to "bold". I have to use a chunk-like expression to do that, not a > field-like expression. > > Craig > > In a message dated 2/19/10 12:49:34 PM, jacques.hausser at unil.ch writes: > > >> Seems it's time to put the lights on... I wanted to write: >> >> "I don't know if it's an overArchingTextStyle property somewhere, but a >> simple way to homogeneize the text of a field is >> >> put the text of fld "x" into fld "x" . So you get rid of any chunk >> formatting" >> >> Do they still sell Ten thumbs, at RunRev ? >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From h at FlexibleLearning.com Fri Feb 19 14:21:12 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:21:12 -0000 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <20100219180004.B06AC289977@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Tesco is the supermarket where we go shopping (in the UK). I know they have opened stores abroad, but not perhaps in Brazil. Rather understandably, from what you say! /H > portugal tesco means point while in brazil it means being horny. From mikeythek at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:22:28 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:22:28 -0500 Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002190604v6fc5d56bs52edc76339eb1e81@mail.gmail.com> References: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> <1266359734167-1558042.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266573913337-1561379.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002190604v6fc5d56bs52edc76339eb1e81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002191122n543d0cd5me891f604c84140ce@mail.gmail.com> yeah, well, if was a game of Risk, I would pwn Oceania - BRING IT N00BZ! On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:04, Andre Garzia wrote: > hohoho, > > if this was a game of risk, I would rule an entire continent! :D > > :D > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:05 AM, planix wrote: > > > > This is really interesting. I have placed my mark up in Far North > Queensland. > > Now all we need is 3 more Australian revvers to cover NT, WA and Tassie. > > What a fascinating way to visualise information. > > > > thanks guys > > > > Alistair > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/OT-Where-do-you-live-world-map-of-runrev-users-tp1557291p1561379.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From mikeythek at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:25:09 2010 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:25:09 -0500 Subject: survey - and the word "fortnight". In-Reply-To: <3DC8ACE8-ABFD-4963-827F-119137261619@twft.com> References: <36063BBB-B008-4DF5-A7A1-29111423F392@wanadoo.fr> <90C2BF0F-6599-4E87-B338-1E45327765F9@gmail.com> <3DC8ACE8-ABFD-4963-827F-119137261619@twft.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002191125y4f1a340nf3d6f0eb7a5c2d46@mail.gmail.com> I believe that this fallacy has recently been whipple-whappled. Indeed recent observations of the arrival of radiation from black holes preposterously-far away seems to indicate that regardless of the medium, c is c, unless it's before i...or something. From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Fri Feb 19 14:37:55 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:37:55 +0000 Subject: SuperDuper textSize property In-Reply-To: <97E88409-D809-4615-A13D-1CC74721BF86@unil.ch> References: <9595.675725f5.38b01ac8@aol.com> <79DD2186-561F-4117-B3DC-7BF391F648A2@unil.ch> <97E88409-D809-4615-A13D-1CC74721BF86@unil.ch> Message-ID: On 19 Feb 2010, at 17:48, Jacques Hausser wrote: > Do they still sell Ten thumbs, at RunRev ? It seems so: http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com/ Cheers Dave From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 14:48:20 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:48:20 -1000 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701cab19c$7da06a80$78e13f80$@com> stephen barncard wrote: > I just need a Windows test bed for REV, not the latest version of > Windows. I > really don't want to have to deal with all this extra security crap. > > Will Windows XP SP3 do what I need for now to test out Rev Features? > > Microsoft is really trying hard to get people to NOT use XP. They are > buying > a ton of adwords with keywords like "Download Windows XP" that swamps > the > search engines. These "sites" are just a bunch of domains that redirect > to > the Windows 7 sales site. It is true that MS is trying their best to get people over to Windows 7. This is because XP is an 8 to 9 year old OS that simply cannot take advantage of today's hardware advances or defend against some of today's exploits. Vista can. But what most people don't know is that the "big" mistake MS made with Vista is they allowed hardware manufacturers to "mess with the OS." Large hardware manufacturers like Dell, HP, Lenovo (IBM) and hundreds of others put in their own versions of, for example, UAC and other features of the OS to support things like finger print hardware and other proprietary hardware and drivers. This opened up a Pandora's box and is the real source of most of the complaints against Vista. The main thing that's different about Windows 7, besides all the advertised features, is that hardware manufacturers can no longer alter the basic OS in order to "lock" customers into their hardware (and "their" version of the OS). This is why in upgrading a Vista machine to Windows 7, you can "lose" some features of a machine or require a BIOS upgrade or whole new driver sets. Apple, as the sole manufacturer of both the hardware and OS, has never had to deal with this issue. To answer your question, if there is no chance of your software being run on Vista or Windows 7, then XP SP3 is all you need in your test bed. Just understand that XP is a very "forgiving" OS and does not enforce many things that in its own docs have always said "should" be a certain way (which is how XP dealt with the issue of various hardware manufacturer demands) and which Vista and Windows 7 do enforce. The difference being that Windows 7 enforces things like security uniformly and all manufacturers must conform to a generic standard, where Vista can be all over the landscape depending on the brand of hardware. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 15:41:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:41:52 -0600 Subject: stack crashing IDE In-Reply-To: References: <760559.7067.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7EF790.6080201@hyperactivesw.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > Unfortunately, it didn't work. I had no choice but to go back to an > earlier backed-up version and use that. It seems that the last few > versions I had would all crash Rev on start up. Very strange. Plug it into the QCC and attach a copy of both your stack and the error log. The team can read that log, even though we can't, and you'll make Rev a better product by reporting it. Tag the report as "critical" and I bet it's fixed by the next release. Even though your stack may be an anomaly in some obscure way, Rev should never, ever crash and they'll want to fix that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 15:54:51 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:54:51 -0600 Subject: SuperDuper textSize property In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7EFA9B.50103@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Right, but that still leaves me without a native way to set the textStyle, > say, to "bold". I have to use a chunk-like expression to do that, not a > field-like expression. Right. I think the closest you'll get for resetting chunks of text in a field is: set the textstyle of char 1 to -1 of fld x to "plain" Then reset any other styling. Or do what Jacques suggests and just plunk the field contents back into the field, which will remove all styling in one fell swoop. If you want all the field text to be bold, of course, you can set the textstyle of the field itself to that. I'm not sure how there could be a field-based property that works directly with chunks of the field text. Characters have their own styling properties independent of the field's. If no character-based styling exists in a chunk, then the text inherits it all the way up the line. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 16:05:48 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:05:48 -0600 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> stephen barncard wrote: > I just need a Windows test bed for REV, not the latest version of Windows. I > really don't want to have to deal with all this extra security crap. > > Will Windows XP SP3 do what I need for now to test out Rev Features? It will, since your client is using XP, but it may not if anyone else uses the app with a later version of Windows, it depends on what the app needs to do. I couldn't find where you said exactly what is failing. What goes wrong when it's run on Windows? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 16:08:31 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:08:31 -0600 Subject: Browser documentation Message-ID: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> In the browser documentation I see the following line: "To prevent the navigatation from occurring, set the global variable browserCancel to true." Yet that global variable doesn't appear to exist. Am I missing something or is the documentation wrong? Jeff M. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 16:25:35 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:25:35 -0600 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7F01CF.70901@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > In the browser documentation I see the following line: > > "To prevent the navigatation from occurring, set the global variable > browserCancel to true." > > Yet that global variable doesn't appear to exist. Am I missing something or > is the documentation wrong? It won't exist until you create it, so just declare it somewhere at the top of your script. The browser will check to see if there is a global variable with that name in the list of declared globals, which there won't be until you put it there. Once it is there, then the browser will check to see what its value is. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 19 16:26:23 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:26:23 +0100 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> Have you actually try to put true into the global variable browserCancel, Jeff? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 19 feb 2010, om 22:08 heeft Jeff Massung het volgende geschreven: > In the browser documentation I see the following line: > > "To prevent the navigatation from occurring, set the global variable > browserCancel to true." > > Yet that global variable doesn't appear to exist. Am I missing > something or > is the documentation wrong? > > Jeff M. From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 16:32:10 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:32:10 -0600 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002191332t6ec7aca1v7d0aaae955a96943@mail.gmail.com> LOL. I was thinking this was a "global" in the same vein as lockMessages and such. Okay. Thanks, guys! Jeff M. From mdswindell at cruzio.com Fri Feb 19 16:55:20 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:55:20 -0800 Subject: relative position of a target within a group Message-ID: How does one get the relative position of a button within a group of buttons? I want to put the (relative to group myGroup) number of the target into vMyVar One can say select button 3 of group myGroup without problem. But how would one best do this using the target function? Thanks, Mark From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 19 17:03:56 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:03:56 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <002701cab19c$7da06a80$78e13f80$@com> References: <002701cab19c$7da06a80$78e13f80$@com> Message-ID: <1F5E1677-AD18-48D1-828B-65C14A8F55AA@twft.com> On Feb 19, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > But what most people don't know is that the "big" mistake MS made with Vista is they allowed hardware manufacturers to "mess with the OS." Large hardware manufacturers like Dell, HP, Lenovo (IBM) and hundreds of others put in their own versions of, for example, UAC and other features of the OS to support things like finger print hardware and other proprietary hardware and drivers. This opened up a Pandora's box and is the real source of most of the complaints against Vista. Oh I have to wholeheartedly disagree! Not to start a MS flame war here, but we purchased and installed Open License versions of Vista, which have NOTHING to do with any hardware manufacturer. It's straight from MS. The problems we experienced led me to ban Vista on our network. One thing they did without really saying much about it, is they put a virtual bridge between the OS and the LAN connection. Sure they can control network traffic better, but unbeknownst to me until recently, there are certain devices that can interfere with bridges on networks, one of which is the Spanning Tree Protocol, which uses bridging to accomplish some of it's magic. That cause our Vista machines network connections to mysteriously fail, and nothing I could do would fix them. I kept having my Airports crash on a regular basis and could never figure out why. Finally the combination of adding a bandwidth management device which had a bridge built in, and the spanning tree protocol on my switches interacting with it led me to the place where I realized why my airports were crashing, because after adding this appliance, ALL my airports went down and stayed that way. So all that to say this: MS seems detached from the real Windows computing world. They implement certain things that turn out to be really bad ideas in the end. They seem to have some really bad decision makers that run development over there. I suspect a large part of MS doesn't even use Windows, but instead uses Unix of some flavor. I could go on and on. The good news is that almost everyone agrees that Windows 7 is really Vista done right. I liken Vista to Windows ME, an intermediate OS release to say they actually did SOMETHING about a particular problem, while they were working on the real release that they could never get out in a timely fashion. Bob From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 17:52:33 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:52:33 EST Subject: relative position of a target within a group Message-ID: <14a65.4d2d2520.38b07031@aol.com> A group has a rect, and so do the objects inside it. They all have locs as well. So just do a little math and calculate the local position of any object within the group, just as the default functions give you that information relative to the stack window or screen. Best done as a function, as you indicated. Craig Newman From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 17:54:10 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:54:10 EST Subject: relative position of a target within a group Message-ID: <14b1d.526f5b9a.38b07092@aol.com> Hmmm. Did you mean the layer or number of a button in a group as opposed to its physical location? Craig Newman From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 19 17:57:28 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:57:28 -0800 Subject: relative position of a target within a group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Mark Swindell wrote: > How does one get the relative position of a button within a group of buttons? > > I want to > > put the (relative to group myGroup) number of the target into vMyVar > > One can say > > select button 3 of group myGroup > > without problem. > > But how would one best do this using the target function? Here's one way: on mouseUp put 0 into clickedButton repeat with N = 1 to number of btns of me if long id of the target = long id of btn N of me then put N into clickedButton exit repeat end if end repeat answer clickedButton end mouseUp Or a function: on mouseUp answer clickedButton(long id of the target,long id of owner of the target) end mouseUp function clickedButton pTargetButton,pGroup repeat with N = 1 to number of btns of pGroup if pTargetButton = long id of btn N of pGroup then return N end if end repeat return 0 end clickedButton Not sure if there's any easier way. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 19 17:57:11 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:57:11 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are created, and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so perhaps the decryption is messed up. I can see that if this is to be fixed then I will just have to roll up my sleeves and go into the Matrix. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 19 February 2010 13:05, J. Landman Gay wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > >> I just need a Windows test bed for REV, not the latest version of Windows. >> I >> really don't want to have to deal with all this extra security crap. >> >> Will Windows XP SP3 do what I need for now to test out Rev Features? >> > > It will, since your client is using XP, but it may not if anyone else uses > the app with a later version of Windows, it depends on what the app needs to > do. > > I couldn't find where you said exactly what is failing. What goes wrong > when it's run on Windows? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 19 17:57:11 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:57:11 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are created, and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so perhaps the decryption is messed up. I can see that if this is to be fixed then I will just have to roll up my sleeves and go into the Matrix. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 19 February 2010 13:05, J. Landman Gay wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > >> I just need a Windows test bed for REV, not the latest version of Windows. >> I >> really don't want to have to deal with all this extra security crap. >> >> Will Windows XP SP3 do what I need for now to test out Rev Features? >> > > It will, since your client is using XP, but it may not if anyone else uses > the app with a later version of Windows, it depends on what the app needs to > do. > > I couldn't find where you said exactly what is failing. What goes wrong > when it's run on Windows? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 18:07:27 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0600 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002191332t6ec7aca1v7d0aaae955a96943@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> <963c86eb1002191332t6ec7aca1v7d0aaae955a96943@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7F19AF.4080309@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > LOL. > > I was thinking this was a "global" in the same vein as lockMessages and > such. > > Okay. Thanks, guys! I like that you aren't afraid to ask stuff. A lot of new converts are. LockMessages is a property, btw. The Rev engine creates those on startup with default values, but only creates a handful of actual globals. Those all start with "$" and are related to shell commands (you can see them in the globals pane of the message box.) All other globals are created by a script somewhere. The IDE creates a ton of them, which all start with "gRev". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 18:22:25 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:25 -0600 Subject: relative position of a target within a group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7F1D31.2090809@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Swindell wrote: > How does one get the relative position of a button within a group of buttons? > > I want to > > put the (relative to group myGroup) number of the target into vMyVar > > One can say > > select button 3 of group myGroup > > without problem. > > But how would one best do this using the target function? A little cheat: on mouseUp set the hilite of the target to true get the hilitedbutton of me set the hilite of the target to false end mouseUp Put it into the group script. If your buttons are radio buttons (i.e., they don't change hilite) then all you need to do is get the hilitedbutton. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:23:53 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:23:53 -0600 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: <4B7F19AF.4080309@hyperactivesw.com> References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> <963c86eb1002191332t6ec7aca1v7d0aaae955a96943@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F19AF.4080309@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002191523t3a40cef4u57711ed9e966d168@mail.gmail.com> Follow-up question: Has anyone here successfully gotten a browser to resize nicely along with the rest of the stack and controls? I can set the rect just fine, but while the mouse button is down and I'm resizing the stack or moving controls around (splitter pane) the browser just completely fubars the rest of the stack view: not updating, overdrawing its bounds, etc. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > >> LOL. >> >> I was thinking this was a "global" in the same vein as lockMessages and >> such. >> >> Okay. Thanks, guys! >> > > I like that you aren't afraid to ask stuff. A lot of new converts are. > > LockMessages is a property, btw. The Rev engine creates those on startup > with default values, but only creates a handful of actual globals. Those all > start with "$" and are related to shell commands (you can see them in the > globals pane of the message box.) All other globals are created by a script > somewhere. The IDE creates a ton of them, which all start with "gRev". > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 18:26:45 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:26:45 EST Subject: relative position of a target within a group Message-ID: <1583c.c6a618e.38b07835@aol.com> I used a mouseDown handler so that it might not interfere with mouseUp handlers typically already loaded in the button scripts, but you get the idea. In the group script: on mousedown put the number of the target into tNum put the number of btns of grp "yourGroup" into numBtns repeat with y = 1 to numBtns if the number of btn y = tNum then put "You clicked Button" && tNum && "of" && numBtns into temp exit repeat end if end repeat answer temp end mousedown If this is what you needed. Craig Newman From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Feb 19 18:29:40 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:29:40 EST Subject: relative position of a target within a group Message-ID: <15967.25ed0ee8.38b078e4@aol.com> Jacques. Adorable, as usual you found a way to use the system to its best advantage, as opposed to my brute force thinking all the time. Craig In a message dated 2/19/10 6:22:44 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes: > > on mouseUp > ?? set the hilite of the target to true > ?? get the hilitedbutton of me > ?? set the hilite of the target to false > end mouseUp > > Put it into the group script. If your buttons are radio buttons (i.e., > they don't change hilite) then all you need to do is get the > hilitedbutton. > From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 18:36:40 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:36:40 -1000 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <1F5E1677-AD18-48D1-828B-65C14A8F55AA@twft.com> References: <002701cab19c$7da06a80$78e13f80$@com> <1F5E1677-AD18-48D1-828B-65C14A8F55AA@twft.com> Message-ID: <002b01cab1bc$63abec60$2b03c520$@com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > ...One thing they did without really saying much about it, is they put a > virtual bridge between the OS and the LAN connection. Sure they can > control network traffic better, but unbeknownst to me until recently, > there are certain devices that can interfere with bridges on networks, > one of which is the Spanning Tree Protocol, which uses bridging to > accomplish some of it's magic. That cause our Vista machines network > connections to mysteriously fail, and nothing I could do would fix > them... OK... I'll amend my statement to say, "...*many* of the *more common* end user and programmers complaints..." IT departments had a myriad of other reasons for not wanting to move from XP to Vista and, in general, the most common complaint amongst ordinary end users was the intrusive UAC, no matter what flavor it came in. Airports huh? Then I'm sure you are familiar with the old joke that, if airplanes were like PCs, you would hear from your pilot in mid-flight, "Please fasten your seatbelt while we shutdown out engines and reboot." ;-) Actually, one of the things they "did" fix in Vista was partitioning memory in such a way that crashing a single "application" program didn't require rebooting the entire machine. As to what you refer to, that's a whole other animal. I'm not defending Vista and will be very happy when it (and XP) goes away and is replaced by Windows 7. I was just addressing the question of a test bed for testing Rev apps on PC and pointing out a little known fact as reason to why the test bed might need to be expanded. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:37:10 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:37:10 +1000 Subject: OT: Where do you live? - world map of runrev users In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002191122n543d0cd5me891f604c84140ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <82C9CDCB-F515-4003-95AA-C19E1FAC9BAF@economy-x-talk.com> <1266359734167-1558042.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266573913337-1561379.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002190604v6fc5d56bs52edc76339eb1e81@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e1002191122n543d0cd5me891f604c84140ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Couldn't find a pin for you Mikey, but Andre has South America all to himself while Ryno owns Africa. There are a few of us in Oceania :-) Cheers, Sarah On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Mikey wrote: > yeah, well, if was a game of Risk, I would pwn Oceania - BRING IT N00BZ! > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:04, Andre Garzia wrote: > >> hohoho, >> >> if this was a game of risk, I would rule an entire continent! :D From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:42:15 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:42:15 +1000 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:57 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are created, > and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so perhaps > the decryption is messed up. Macs use the leading dot in the filename to make the file invisible. Does Windows have a problem with this? Can you compare a decrypted file on Mac & Windows i.e. see if the decrypting process varies between platforms. If you decrypt a file on Mac can you play that file on Windows? I have a virtual XP machine if I can help test anything. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:46:30 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:46:30 +1000 Subject: revlet newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > So I'm just now playing with revlets, and was hoping to be able to convert an existing desktop app to a revlet, just as kind of a proof of concept thing. So far I'm striking out. Running on a Mac, OS X 10.6.2, it's totally locking up Firefox and, while Safari doesn't lock up, the revlet doesn't load properly. I just get a blank screen. > > This is a fairly complex desktop app, basically a front end to a mysql database, so I'm sure there is simply code in there that will not run in a revlet. So I'm wondering, is there a good, single source out there somewhere that lists what works and what doesn't work in a revlet? Things to avoid in revlets? One thing I discovered is that the "go stack" command is supported in a revlet, but I can't seem to make it work unless I use the "go stack in window" form. Is that the only way to do it? > > This app consists of several stack files, not substacks of one main stack, but rather several main stack files that are opened and closed depending on what the user is doing. Is that a problem in a revlet? Is it necessary to build each stack file into a revlet, or can they remain in their regular stack file and still be loaded using "go stack" from the first stack, which would be built as a revlet? This would concern me. Can you check that the extra stack files are actually compiled into the revlet. Could the lock up be happening when an external stack file should be loading? At the moment, you can only open a new stack in the same window, unless you make multiple revlets in which case they can open in the same browser window so long as you set the instance IDs to the same number. There is an example on the revWeb site on how to do this. Cheers, Sarah From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 19 19:02:59 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:02:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: Parallels or VMWare Fusion? In-Reply-To: <3D9A82F3-4975-4FDF-A7E6-F3FE94514419@free.fr> References: <000009CA.4B7DD24E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <7c87a2a11002190532m4ecb1a69vc1b272d05cc1e9a1@mail.gmail.com> <6E0A7DFC-968A-4D36-8B54-5CA5774E2E97@free.fr> <7c87a2a11002190600sb8203c2na594bff3ea5bc31e@mail.gmail.com> <3D9A82F3-4975-4FDF-A7E6-F3FE94514419@free.fr> Message-ID: <1266624179387-1562421.post@n4.nabble.com> I use Virtual Box, its free and works perfectly. But I would never dream of not testing an app on a real physical machine, if I were a professional developing for that platform. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/OT-Parallels-or-VMWare-Fusion-tp1560956p1562421.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 19 19:07:01 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:07:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1266624421331-1562425.post@n4.nabble.com> " I, of course the ever- mac-evangelist (Yes I was on Guy's Evangel-list) have put off my day of Windows reckoning until this moment, and cannot test this out for myself. I am paying the price for my platform bigotry." It makes no sense. Virtual machines are not good enough. If you want to develop as a professional for a platform, you have to have that platform in physical form to test on. The most you can do is share a keyboard and screen and mouse via hardware switching. Anything else, sooner or later, its going to bite you and the customer. Spend the tiny amount of money involved, buy one second hand if must be, but buy one. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Stack-working-in-MACOS-not-in-Windows-tp1561182p1562425.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 19 19:23:17 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:23:17 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <1266624421331-1562425.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <1266624421331-1562425.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Well quite frankly my distaste for windows and my involvement in the arts has pushed me toward macintosh clients, and in this case I'm helping a person with no evidence of further profit for me at this point, so investing in a Dell or whatever is just not in my immediate future. Anyway, that's one opinion, I see many Rev developers seemingly using a Macbook exclusively for x-platform dev and turning out good stuff. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 19 February 2010 16:07, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > " I, of course the ever- mac-evangelist (Yes I was on Guy's Evangel-list) > have put off my day of Windows reckoning until this moment, and cannot test > this out for myself. I am paying the price for my platform bigotry." > > It makes no sense. Virtual machines are not good enough. If you want to > develop as a professional for a platform, you have to have that platform in > physical form to test on. The most you can do is share a keyboard and > screen and mouse via hardware switching. > > Anything else, sooner or later, its going to bite you and the customer. > Spend the tiny amount of money involved, buy one second hand if must be, > but > buy one. > > Peter > > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 20:35:42 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:35:42 -0600 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <1266624421331-1562425.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <1266624421331-1562425.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B7F3C6E.9010101@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > " I, of course the ever- mac-evangelist (Yes I was on Guy's Evangel-list) > have put off my day of Windows reckoning until this moment, and cannot test > this out for myself. I am paying the price for my platform bigotry." > > It makes no sense. Virtual machines are not good enough. If you want to > develop as a professional for a platform, you have to have that platform in > physical form to test on. The most you can do is share a keyboard and > screen and mouse via hardware switching. I guess that disqualifies me then. ;) I had a real PC box 10 years ago, but once I moved to Parallels I never looked back. There was a single discrepancy (in cursor redraws) in one of my apps in Parallels version 2.x but ever since version 3.0 I haven't ever found any differences. I'm satisifed that I'm getting the "PC experience" and so far my Windows clients have never noticed (and most never know) that I test Windows builds in emulation. For a while I had Ubuntu running as well without any trouble, but I haven't kept up with that OS since I don't have any current clients who need software on it. I can't speak for other emulators, since I've only used Parallels. But I think the technology has matured enough now that needing to duplicate physical hardware is becoming a thing of the past. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Feb 19 20:59:02 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:59:02 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <778778.40110.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <778778.40110.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1676ACA9-B587-48E1-8848-1C1213CB66B8@dvcreators.net> On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:02 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Josh Mellicker wrote: >> You all probably know this, but >> thought I would share our experience anyway: >> >> We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback >> loop that communicates with an external process in a >> performance-critical application, and when prototyping, >> temporarily used some fields on a card to write and read >> values from during the loop. >> >> Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we >> switched to reading and writing a custom property. >> >> Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a >> button several times to trigger it, you could barely move >> stack windows, etc. >> >> It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went >> line by line from our original prototype script, wee found >> that going back to reading and writing to a field made >> everything work smoothly again! >> >> Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... >> same result as custom properties. >> >> So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, >> Rev reads and writes to fields super >> fast! > > If the field you're using to set/get data, is _invisible_ then it makes sense that this would be faster than set/get data using a custom property: built-in properties don't have to traverse the message hierarchy for setProp/getProp handlers, and an invisible field doesn't have to redraw itself. > Why it would be faster than global/local variable access, is a puzzler - are you using arrays or storing the text in the same 'flat' way as field text? I never tried arrays, just global, local, custom property and a text field. > > Jan Schenkel > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Feb 19 21:01:19 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:01:19 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> References: <0E543AC3-B474-4939-B920-0F02E7238C27@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00E0D15A-3D12-413C-84F5-70F6F6F61243@dvcreators.net> On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> You all probably know this, but thought I would share our experience anyway: >> >> We are working on a project with a 1 millisecond callback loop that communicates with an external process in a performance-critical application, and when prototyping, temporarily used some fields on a card to write and read values from during the loop. >> >> Then, while buttoning things up, instead of fields, we switched to reading and writing a custom property. >> >> Suddenly, everything went sluggish - you had to click on a button several times to trigger it, you could barely move stack windows, etc. >> >> It took a while to figure out the culprit, but once we went line by line from our original prototype script, wee found that going back to reading and writing to a field made everything work smoothly again! >> >> Then we tried local, then a global variable... not good... same result as custom properties. >> >> So if you are writing an app where performance is critical, Rev reads and writes to fields super fast!_______________________________________________ > > > Something does not seem to be correct in this instance. I know, I've always had the impression fields were slower. > > Which version of Rev? Which platform? The latest, Mac 10.6.2 > Is the flag "script debug mode" set to false? no > Are there any pending messages in the queue? The callback handler calls itself: if "monitorExternalProcess" is not in the pendingMessages then send "monitorExternalProcess" to me in 1 milliseconds > Front scripts? back scripts? no > > I have done many performance-critical event loops using variables and custom properties in networking apps between computers and offices. Whenever I encounter a slow down, I look at my error trapping loops or status detection code and find that I have added clock cycles by not programming properly. > > If you have discovered something that affects the performance so that fields are noticeably faster, then we need to know what is happening. I have never tested fields to be as fast or faster than custom properties, especially for larger blocks of text (such as whole web page HTML) > > Please, when you have time, provide a little more feedback. I will, we need to get this revision out the door, then I will try and do some more tests. > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Feb 19 21:12:32 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:12:32 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: >> >> Maybe that should be "Benchmark Obsessive". :) >> >> True, I was sleeping at 1AM PST, but when I got up this morning I found this >> intriguing enough to pull out one of my old test stacks. In fact, while I >> was at it I took some notes for an article on benchmarking I've been itching >> to write and posted it to revJournal: >> > Hmmm, maybe 'Benchmark Obsessive Compulsive' ;-) > > Using Richard's stack: > > MBP 17" 2.16 GHz, 2GB RAM > OS X.6.2, Rev 4.0.0 Build 950 > > Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 > LockScreen = true > LockMessages = true > > Results: > Visible field, current card: 24 > Hidden field, current card: 22 > Visible field, unopened card: 13 > Hidden field, unopened card: 14 > Custom property: 4 > Global variable: 2 > Local variable: 1 > > > Number of iterations for read/write access: 5000 > LockScreen = false > LockMessages = false > > Results: > Visible field, current card: 2367 > Hidden field, current card: 2856 > Visible field, unopened card: 15 > Hidden field, unopened card: 14 > Custom property: 37 > Global variable: 2 > Local variable: 1 > > > So very similar results. > > Josh, we are waiting ??? Just to reiterate: What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or a variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - very difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons on, rollover states sticking. When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a substack (still 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you could drag and click just like no callback loop was running. So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that custom properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal mouse-related processes... or maybe what we found was just specific to our app, although I don't see how that could be. Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to post, in case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast callback loop, my advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it did for us! From mdswindell at cruzio.com Fri Feb 19 21:24:20 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:24:20 -0800 Subject: relative position of a target within a group In-Reply-To: <4B7F1D31.2090809@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B7F1D31.2090809@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <96887485-56D3-4963-B32D-65F799BA6EF2@cruzio.com> Jaqueline, Scott, and Craig, As always humbled and appreciative of the quick and everclever help Both this and Scott's method work perfectly out of the chute. Craig, your method returns the same result as just using "the target" does. You're putting the number of the target (relative to the card, let's say "3") and comparing it to a number in the "number of buttons in group yourGroup." When the iteration finds it's match (3) it answers "you picked button 3." With some tweaking and finding the difference the number of the target and the number of button 1 of me (the group) and then factoring that into the equation it should work, as well. Thanks again, Mark On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:22 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Swindell wrote: >> How does one get the relative position of a button within a group of buttons? >> I want to put the (relative to group myGroup) number of the target into vMyVar One can say select button 3 of group myGroup >> without problem. But how would one best do this using the target function? > > A little cheat: > > on mouseUp > set the hilite of the target to true > get the hilitedbutton of me > set the hilite of the target to false > end mouseUp > > Put it into the group script. If your buttons are radio buttons (i.e., they don't change hilite) then all you need to do is get the hilitedbutton. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revdev at pdslabs.net Fri Feb 19 21:27:32 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:27:32 -0800 Subject: relative position of a target within a group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7F4894.6070703@pdslabs.net> Hi Mark, Here's one way you can use with any grouped object. on mouseUp -- in a grouped button put the locWithinGroup of me end mouseUp getProp locWithinGroup -- return card-relative loc if target object is not in a group if word 1 of the name of the owner of the target is not "group" then return the loc of the target -- return the loc of the target object relative to its 'owner' group return \ (item 1 of the loc of the target - the left of the owner of the target), \ (item 2 of the loc of the target - the top of the owner of the target) end locWithinGroup HTH - Phil Davis On 2/19/10 1:55 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > How does one get the relative position of a button within a group of buttons? > > I want to > > put the (relative to group myGroup) number of the target into vMyVar > > One can say > > select button 3 of group myGroup > > without problem. > > But how would one best do this using the target function? > > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:31:40 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:31:40 +0800 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 19/02/2010 04:35, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> >> >> :) I think I've posted this before but it's too good a line to let go of. >> A few years ago my husband looked up from the evening news and said, "Gay >> marriage has been an institution in our family for generations. I don't see >> what the big deal is." >> > You have me stumped; there is absolutely no way I can top THAT ONE! Bravo. OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't recognized ;-) From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 19 21:35:56 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:35:56 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Josh Mellicker wrote: > What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or a > variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - very > difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons on, > rollover states sticking. > > When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a substack (still > 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you could drag and click > just like no callback loop was running. > > So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that custom > properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal mouse-related > processes... or maybe what we found was just specific to our app, although I > don't see how that could be. > > Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to post, in > case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast callback loop, my > advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it did for us! Do you have any custom drag routines in your stack/s? Do you update any kind of output while the loop is running? My guess is your repeat loop is so tight that the writing to the field causes a screen update which slows the repeat loop and allows other events such as window dragging to take place. In my experience, a repeat loop will only usually down events when updating the screen repeatedly. You should also fit some lock/unlock screen into your testing to see how that affects your loop/s and processing speed. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:39:54 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:39:54 +0800 Subject: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight" In-Reply-To: <3CB5714A-C6BE-4C61-8F76-897544FC8186@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4B7D8372.5030308@gmail.com> <4B7D97D1.3060603@gmail.com> <4B7DC51B.4050507@anachreon.co.uk> <7c87a2a11002190901l7eac4cf5ma3acbc138c621ddb@mail.gmail.com> <3CB5714A-C6BE-4C61-8F76-897544FC8186@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Luis wrote: > Anyone else spot a trend there?... ;P > Yes, I was under the misconception that Brazilians just had an aversion to women's pubic hair, but now I've learnt that they have a fetish for word connotations to men's private parts. Strange... From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 21:55:54 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:55:54 -1000 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> Josh Mellicker wrote: > What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or a > variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - very > difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons > on, rollover states sticking. Ahhh...Now THIS makes sense. Your repeat loop is so tight that the GUI becomes unresponsive. It has nothing to do with the actual speed of variables vs. fields. Please add, somewhere in your repeat loop: wait 0 milliseconds with messages > When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a substack > (still 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you could > drag and click just like no callback loop was running. Yes, because here other handlers are starting and stopping and this gives the engine opportunity to intervene. > So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that > custom properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal > mouse-related processes... or maybe what we found was just specific to > our app, although I don't see how that could be. It's the repeat loop itself without any wait or other handlers being called. > Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to > post, in case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast > callback loop, my advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it > did for us! Just add the wait into your repeat loop with vars or custom props and you will see it is even faster than fields. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:57:52 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:57:52 -0700 Subject: Search / replace Message-ID: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. I have a field which has hundreds of lines. For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's immediate left is a number. If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or spaces). I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may contain several [. Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. thanks, From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 22:08:13 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:08:13 -0600 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> Message-ID: <4B7F521D.2050304@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or a >> variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - very >> difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons >> on, rollover states sticking. > > Ahhh...Now THIS makes sense. Your repeat loop is so tight that the GUI > becomes unresponsive. It has nothing to do with the actual speed of > variables vs. fields. Please add, somewhere in your repeat loop: > > wait 0 milliseconds with messages Exactly what I was thinking. I believe you've nailed it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 22:20:24 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:20:24 +0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Glen, look up offset in the Rev Dictionary. If you are sure that there is no possibility of a space between the number and [, then something like this should work: if (char (offset("[",tMyLine) - 1) of tMyLine is an integer) then --script to replace with "_" else --script to replace with empty end if HTH On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's > immediate left is a number. > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > spaces). > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may > contain several [. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 22:20:27 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:20:27 -1000 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> Message-ID: <002d01cab1db$a6c5de60$f4519b20$@com> BTW, it's the *with messages* that is important. Also, your use of *callback loop* is interesting. A callback is a handler that is triggered when a callback event occurs, much like a mouseUp handler is triggered on a mouseUp event. It's never in a repeat loop. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:56 PM > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than > locals, globals or custom properties > > Josh Mellicker wrote: > > > What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or > a > > variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - > very > > difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons > > on, rollover states sticking. > > Ahhh...Now THIS makes sense. Your repeat loop is so tight that the GUI > becomes unresponsive. It has nothing to do with the actual speed of > variables vs. fields. Please add, somewhere in your repeat loop: > > wait 0 milliseconds with messages > > > When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a > substack > > (still 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you > could > > drag and click just like no callback loop was running. > > Yes, because here other handlers are starting and stopping and this > gives > the engine opportunity to intervene. > > > So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that > > custom properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal > > mouse-related processes... or maybe what we found was just specific > to > > our app, although I don't see how that could be. > > It's the repeat loop itself without any wait or other handlers being > called. > > > Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to > > post, in case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast > > callback loop, my advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it > > did for us! > > Just add the wait into your repeat loop with vars or custom props and > you > will see it is even faster than fields. ;-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mdswindell at cruzio.com Fri Feb 19 22:27:29 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:27:29 -0800 Subject: Decode in tRev Message-ID: <4EA9184C-1DD2-41F7-ADDF-2A1B0248EC35@cruzio.com> The more I get familiar with this feature of tRev the more I like it. It's quite a brilliant implementation. Set all the breakpoints you want, and then, after your script has run, go back and step forward and backwards through each breakpoint snapshot, looking into each set of conditions/states just as they occurred at every point along the journey. Just an excellent tool. Mark From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 19 22:28:37 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:28:37 -0600 Subject: revlet newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7F56E5.2080807@hyperactivesw.com> Chris Sheffield wrote: > So I'm wondering, is there a good, single source > out there somewhere that lists what works and what doesn't work in a > revlet? Things to avoid in revlets? I don't think there is a comprehensive reference yet, since the revlet engine is still being revised and some limitations may be lifted provided work-arounds can be implemented. A big part of the problem is how various browsers handle different things, and some capabilities just aren't possible with current browser implementations. What I know about so far are: 1. Only one active window at a time, as both you and Sarah noted. You can alternately display more than one window in the same browser page. But opening an external (secondary) window is not currently possible. RR was looking into the new Firefox release to see if that would allow such a thing, but even if it does, IE and/or Safari may not. So to be safe, don't use more than one revlet window. Ask and Answer dialogs were hacked to allow display, since so many stacks use those, but it's a hack that still isn't perfect. In particular, the user must manually focus on the window by clicking in it before any objects inside will activate. 2. Custom cursors: not supported. This includes cursors the Rev engine uses (busy, watch, etc.) For now, we only have the default browser cursor. 3. Quicktime and CoreImage visual effects are not supported. QuickTime players are only supported in alwaysBuffer mode - this means the controller will not work. On the up side, there have been a few threads here about reading QT movies or other files from the local hard drive. No one was able to do it, and the work-around for regular files was to use URL syntax to "put" the file into the revlet. I've since found out that if you use a fully qualified file reference, you can retrieve QT movies from the local drive, and I think other files as well. Don't use normal Rev file references (i.e.: user/folder/file.mov). Instead, use a fully qualified file reference similar to an http reference: file:///user/folder/file.mov -- note the 3 slashes, indicating localhost If you refer to QT files that way they can be used as the filename for players in revlets. This discrepancy is due to the automatic relative referencing that Rev uses when looking for files on disk. They are going to fix that so that in the future we can use file references we're used to for local file access in revlets. For now, the above works. You still can't play movies with an active controller though, but you can use "start" and "stop" player commands normally to manage playback. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 22:44:18 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:44:18 -0700 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d8af4151002191944wde95560i3a1ec96e8deb2edd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Kay, I will play with offset but I think the trick will be covering each different number of ['s per line. Glen On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Hi Glen, > > look up offset in the Rev Dictionary. > > If you are sure that there is no possibility of a space between the > number and [, then something like this should work: > > if (char (offset("[",tMyLine) - 1) of tMyLine is an integer) then > --script to replace with "_" > else > --script to replace with empty > end if > > HTH > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's > > immediate left is a number. > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > > spaces). > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may > > contain several [. > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > > > thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 22:48:00 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:48:00 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> Glen Bojsza wrote: > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's > immediate left is a number. > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > spaces). > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may > contain several [. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination > of > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. Use the *offset()* function as in: On replaceChar Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText ---- put 0 into tCharsToSkip put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText repeat put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip else replace char tOffset of tFieldText with empty put tOffset into tCharsToSkip end repeat put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" end replaceChar Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 22:48:43 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:48:43 +0800 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On a slightly different note, it's always good to see when someone tries to do the right thing and translate their signs into a foreign language to help tourists. Of course it would help a lot more if they actually used a native speaker, rather than the www: http://www.kirainet.com/images/errortranslate.jpg The correct translation would be Dining Room, or maybe Restaurant, depending on the actual establishment. From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 22:52:04 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:52:04 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> Message-ID: <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> I missed the *end if* ;-) (see below) > Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to > it's > > immediate left is a number. > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > > spaces). > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line > may > > contain several [. > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination > > of > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > Use the *offset()* function as in: > > On replaceChar > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText > ---- > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > repeat > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" > put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > else > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with empty > put tOffset into tCharsToSkip END IF > end repeat > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > end replaceChar > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 22:59:26 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:59:26 +0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002191944wde95560i3a1ec96e8deb2edd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <3d8af4151002191944wde95560i3a1ec96e8deb2edd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Glen, I wasn't going to offer a 'full' script like Jim has, as the nature of your data would effect the option taken. You mentioned many lines of data, and a numeral followed by [ suggests some kind of specific format. When dealing with many lines of similar data, repeat for each line is normally considered the fastest way to attack such a problem. If there were only one [ per line this would be ideal and very fast. Even if there were mulitple [ per line, as Jim has shown in his script offset() will return 0 if there are no [ found. On the other hand if there is no format to the data, just a random sprinkling of numerals followed by [, then Jim's offering will fit the bill perfectly. HTH On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > Thanks Kay, > > I will play with offset but I think the trick will be covering each > different number of ['s per line. > > Glen > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> Hi Glen, >> >> look up offset in the Rev Dictionary. >> >> If you are sure that there is no possibility of a space between the >> number and [, then something like this should work: >> >> ?if (char (offset("[",tMyLine) - 1) of tMyLine is an integer) then >> ? ?--script to replace with "_" >> ?else >> ? ?--script to replace with empty >> ?end if >> >> HTH >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote: >> > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. >> > >> > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. >> > >> > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's >> > immediate left is a number. >> > >> > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. >> > >> > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or >> > spaces). >> > >> > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may >> > contain several [. >> > >> > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of >> > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. >> > >> > thanks, >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-revolution mailing list >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Feb 19 23:01:33 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:01:33 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > You should also fit some lock/unlock screen into your testing to see how > that affects your loop/s and processing speed. Will do, thanks Scott! On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or a >> variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - very >> difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons on, >> rollover states sticking. >> >> When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a substack (still >> 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you could drag and click >> just like no callback loop was running. >> >> So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that custom >> properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal mouse-related >> processes... or maybe what we found was just specific to our app, although I >> don't see how that could be. >> >> Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to post, in >> case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast callback loop, my >> advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it did for us! > > Do you have any custom drag routines in your stack/s? Do you update any > kind of output while the loop is running? > > My guess is your repeat loop is so tight that the writing to the field > causes a screen update which slows the repeat loop and allows other events > such as window dragging to take place. In my experience, a repeat loop will > only usually down events when updating the screen repeatedly. > > You should also fit some lock/unlock screen into your testing to see how > that affects your loop/s and processing speed. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Feb 19 23:02:46 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:02:46 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> Message-ID: <44D6DA91-CFA8-47CC-9AAF-A2295C2473F3@dvcreators.net> > Just add the wait into your repeat loop with vars or custom props and you > will see it is even faster than fields. ;-) Will do! Thanks Jim, your message cleared some some things! On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or a >> variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - very >> difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons >> on, rollover states sticking. > > Ahhh...Now THIS makes sense. Your repeat loop is so tight that the GUI > becomes unresponsive. It has nothing to do with the actual speed of > variables vs. fields. Please add, somewhere in your repeat loop: > > wait 0 milliseconds with messages > >> When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a substack >> (still 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you could >> drag and click just like no callback loop was running. > > Yes, because here other handlers are starting and stopping and this gives > the engine opportunity to intervene. > >> So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that >> custom properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal >> mouse-related processes... or maybe what we found was just specific to >> our app, although I don't see how that could be. > > It's the repeat loop itself without any wait or other handlers being called. > >> Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to >> post, in case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast >> callback loop, my advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it >> did for us! > > Just add the wait into your repeat loop with vars or custom props and you > will see it is even faster than fields. ;-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Feb 19 23:07:49 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:07:49 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <002d01cab1db$a6c5de60$f4519b20$@com> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> <002d01cab1db$a6c5de60$f4519b20$@com> Message-ID: <3B2D1181-BDF5-4C82-B6D9-951912F89AE6@dvcreators.net> Oops. I learned coding from an old guy in an alley, that's why. :-) When a handler is not event driven, but just looping, monitoring something, and keeps calling itself, what is the proper term? On Feb 19, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > BTW, it's the *with messages* that is important. Also, your use of *callback > loop* is interesting. A callback is a handler that is triggered when a > callback event occurs, much like a mouseUp handler is triggered on a mouseUp > event. It's never in a repeat loop. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:56 PM >> To: 'How to use Revolution' >> Subject: RE: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than >> locals, globals or custom properties >> >> Josh Mellicker wrote: >> >>> What we found was that when writing and reading a custom property, or >> a >>> variable, in a 1 ms loop, other stack windows became "sluggish" - >> very >>> difficult to drag by the header bar, very difficult to click buttons >>> on, rollover states sticking. >> >> Ahhh...Now THIS makes sense. Your repeat loop is so tight that the GUI >> becomes unresponsive. It has nothing to do with the actual speed of >> variables vs. fields. Please add, somewhere in your repeat loop: >> >> wait 0 milliseconds with messages >> >>> When we replaced with writing to and reading a text field on a >> substack >>> (still 1ms), the other windows responded perfectly normally, you >> could >>> drag and click just like no callback loop was running. >> >> Yes, because here other handlers are starting and stopping and this >> gives >> the engine opportunity to intervene. >> >>> So I just ASSUMED the field was "faster". Maybe the truth is that >>> custom properties , although faster, somehow interfere with normal >>> mouse-related processes... or maybe what we found was just specific >> to >>> our app, although I don't see how that could be. >> >> It's the repeat loop itself without any wait or other handlers being >> called. >> >>> Anyway, I will do some more tests as soon as I can. I just wanted to >>> post, in case someone noticed "sluggishness" in an app with a fast >>> callback loop, my advice is, try fields and see if that fixes it - it >>> did for us! >> >> Just add the wait into your repeat loop with vars or custom props and >> you >> will see it is even faster than fields. ;-) >> >> Aloha from Hawaii, >> >> Jim Bufalini >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From calhorner at xtra.co.nz Fri Feb 19 23:05:35 2010 From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:05:35 +1300 (New Zealand Standard Time) Subject: Script Editor Handler List Message-ID: <4B7F5F8F.000006.01996@CALS_BIG_PC> Is anybody out there having trouble with disappearing Handler Lists. Or is it only me? The list is there for a while and then it must decide to take a tea break. It takes a complete stop and cold restart to bring it back again. Perhaps this is a bug and I have missed the notification. From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 23:19:41 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:19:41 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> Message-ID: <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> Actually what I hastily typed into the last emails won't work. LOL! This is because tOffset is always the "difference" between the starting point and the found character. I really need to stop these quick answers! Try: On replaceChar Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText, tTotalOffset ---- put 0 into tCharsToSkip put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText repeat put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat put tCharsToSkip + tOffset into tTotalOffset if char (tTotalOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" put tTotalOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip else replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty put tTotalOffset into tCharsToSkip end if end repeat put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" end replaceChar Now, if in this one, I misspelled something, just correct it. :-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:52 PM > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: Search / replace > > I missed the *end if* ;-) (see below) > > > > Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to > > it's > > > immediate left is a number. > > > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution > or > > > spaces). > > > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line > > may > > > contain several [. > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a > combination > > > of > > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > > > Use the *offset()* function as in: > > > > On replaceChar > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText > > ---- > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > repeat > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > else > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with empty > > put tOffset into tCharsToSkip > END IF > > end repeat > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > end replaceChar > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 23:37:15 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:37:15 -0700 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> Message-ID: <3d8af4151002192037g507f7194vedd5e37ba42f7f32@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jim, I appreciate your efforts. I was struggling with your last solution when I came back to check on the posts. Your new solution won't compile the following two lines? replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty Glen On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Actually what I hastily typed into the last emails won't work. LOL! This is > because tOffset is always the "difference" between the starting point and > the found character. I really need to stop these quick answers! Try: > > On replaceChar > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText, tTotalOffset > ---- > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > repeat > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > put tCharsToSkip + tOffset into tTotalOffset > if char (tTotalOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" > put tTotalOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > else > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty > put tTotalOffset into tCharsToSkip > end if > end repeat > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > end replaceChar > > Now, if in this one, I misspelled something, just correct it. :-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:52 PM > > To: 'How to use Revolution' > > Subject: RE: Search / replace > > > > I missed the *end if* ;-) (see below) > > > > > > > Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to > > > it's > > > > immediate left is a number. > > > > > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution > > or > > > > spaces). > > > > > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line > > > may > > > > contain several [. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a > > combination > > > > of > > > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > > > > > Use the *offset()* function as in: > > > > > > On replaceChar > > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText > > > ---- > > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > > repeat > > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > > if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > > put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > > else > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with empty > > > put tOffset into tCharsToSkip > > END IF > > > end repeat > > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > > end replaceChar > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 23:40:42 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:40:42 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> Message-ID: <003101cab1e6$dc4c9000$94e5b000$@com> And lastly, before someone else points it out, since in all cases you are eliminating the "[" char, you don't need to use either tCharsToSkip or tTotalOffset. But, it's a good example if you weren't always replacing the "[" char. This is absolutely my last post on this topic! I wrote: > Actually what I hastily typed into the last emails won't work. LOL! > This is > because tOffset is always the "difference" between the starting point > and > the found character. I really need to stop these quick answers! Try: > > On replaceChar > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText, tTotalOffset > ---- > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > repeat > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > put tCharsToSkip + tOffset into tTotalOffset > if char (tTotalOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" > put tTotalOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > else > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty > put tTotalOffset into tCharsToSkip > end if > end repeat > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > end replaceChar > > Now, if in this one, I misspelled something, just correct it. :-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:52 PM > > To: 'How to use Revolution' > > Subject: RE: Search / replace > > > > I missed the *end if* ;-) (see below) > > > > > > > Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to > > > it's > > > > immediate left is a number. > > > > > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no > substitution > > or > > > > spaces). > > > > > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each > line > > > may > > > > contain several [. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a > > combination > > > > of > > > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > > > > > Use the *offset()* function as in: > > > > > > On replaceChar > > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText > > > ---- > > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > > repeat > > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > > if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer then > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > > put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > > else > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with empty > > > put tOffset into tCharsToSkip > > END IF > > > end repeat > > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > > end replaceChar > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 19 23:50:04 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:50:04 -0800 Subject: Script Editor Handler List In-Reply-To: <4B7F5F8F.000006.01996@CALS_BIG_PC> Message-ID: Recently, Cal Horner wrote: > Is anybody out there having trouble with disappearing Handler Lists. Or is > it only me? > > The list is there for a while and then it must decide to take a tea break. Happens here as well. Also, the message box becomes non-responsive (becomes tied to a hidden or non-open stack). In both cases, a close of the window and reopen solves it. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Feb 19 23:52:58 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:52:58 -1000 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <3B2D1181-BDF5-4C82-B6D9-951912F89AE6@dvcreators.net> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> <002d01cab1db$a6c5de60$f4519b20$@com> <3B2D1181-BDF5-4C82-B6D9-951912F89AE6@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <003201cab1e8$93428660$b9c79320$@com> Josh Mellicker wrote: > Oops. > > I learned coding from an old guy in an alley, that's why. :-) > > When a handler is not event driven, but just looping, monitoring > something, and keeps calling itself, what is the proper term? Recursion or recursive. This is the same as a tight loop because the handler never ends until the recursive calling stops. Hence, without waits *with messages* you will have a sluggish GUI. Also, you could easily hit the recursive limit if the condition you are looking for does not occur as you expect, and your program will crash. Use instead: send "" to me in 1 millisecond This will solve all of your problems of allowing the GUI to be responsive and avoid hitting the recursion limit. One thing to be aware of though, in any case, of using *wait... with messages* or sending in time. The time factor is not absolute. If, for example, a handler that takes 10 milliseconds to execute is triggered then there will be 10 milliseconds between executions of your "in-time loops" Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jim at visitrieve.com Sat Feb 20 00:06:58 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:58 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002192037g507f7194vedd5e37ba42f7f32@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> <3d8af4151002192037g507f7194vedd5e37ba42f7f32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301cab1ea$881399d0$983acd70$@com> put "_" into char tTotalOffset of tFieldText put empty into char tTotalOffset of tFieldText or replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" in tFieldText replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty in tFieldText > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Glen Bojsza > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:37 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Search / replace > > Hi Jim, > > I appreciate your efforts. > > I was struggling with your last solution when I came back to check on > the > posts. > > Your new solution won't compile the following two lines? > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty > > Glen > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Jim Bufalini > wrote: > > > Actually what I hastily typed into the last emails won't work. LOL! > This is > > because tOffset is always the "difference" between the starting point > and > > the found character. I really need to stop these quick answers! Try: > > > > On replaceChar > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText, tTotalOffset > > ---- > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > repeat > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > put tCharsToSkip + tOffset into tTotalOffset > > if char (tTotalOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer > then > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with > "_" > > put tTotalOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > else > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with > empty > > put tTotalOffset into tCharsToSkip > > end if > > end repeat > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > end replaceChar > > > > Now, if in this one, I misspelled something, just correct it. :-) > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > revolution- > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:52 PM > > > To: 'How to use Revolution' > > > Subject: RE: Search / replace > > > > > > I missed the *end if* ;-) (see below) > > > > > > > > > > Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > > > > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > > > > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character > to > > > > it's > > > > > immediate left is a number. > > > > > > > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > > > > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no > substitution > > > or > > > > > spaces). > > > > > > > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each > line > > > > may > > > > > contain several [. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a > > > combination > > > > > of > > > > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > > > > > > > Use the *offset()* function as in: > > > > > > > > On replaceChar > > > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText > > > > ---- > > > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > > > repeat > > > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > > > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > > > if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer > then > > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > > > put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > > > else > > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with empty > > > > put tOffset into tCharsToSkip > > > END IF > > > > end repeat > > > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > > > end replaceChar > > > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat Feb 20 00:34:21 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:34:21 -0800 Subject: Script Editor Handler List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7F745D.5070905@pdslabs.net> On 2/19/10 8:50 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Cal Horner wrote: > > >> Is anybody out there having trouble with disappearing Handler Lists. Or is >> it only me? >> >> The list is there for a while and then it must decide to take a tea break. >> > Happens here as well. Also, the message box becomes non-responsive (becomes > tied to a hidden or non-open stack). In both cases, a close of the window > and reopen solves it. > Also you can click the current script editor tab (but not the "close" dot!) and the handler list is refreshed. > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From jim at visitrieve.com Sat Feb 20 00:34:29 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:34:29 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <003301cab1ea$881399d0$983acd70$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <002e01cab1df$7faa21c0$7efe6540$@com> <002f01cab1e0$11076b50$331641f0$@com> <003001cab1e3$ed091b50$c71b51f0$@com> <3d8af4151002192037g507f7194vedd5e37ba42f7f32@mail.gmail.com> <003301cab1ea$881399d0$983acd70$@com> Message-ID: <003401cab1ee$60073ba0$2015b2e0$@com> Do NOT use the *replace* version. Use the *put*. OK, I'm obviously tired. Aloha and Goodnight! ;-) > put "_" into char tTotalOffset of tFieldText > > put empty into char tTotalOffset of tFieldText > > or > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" in tFieldText > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty in tFieldText > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Glen Bojsza > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:37 PM > > To: How to use Revolution > > Subject: Re: Search / replace > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I appreciate your efforts. > > > > I was struggling with your last solution when I came back to check on > > the > > posts. > > > > Your new solution won't compile the following two lines? > > > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with empty > > > > Glen > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Jim Bufalini > > wrote: > > > > > Actually what I hastily typed into the last emails won't work. LOL! > > This is > > > because tOffset is always the "difference" between the starting > point > > and > > > the found character. I really need to stop these quick answers! > Try: > > > > > > On replaceChar > > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText, tTotalOffset > > > ---- > > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > > repeat > > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into tOffset > > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > > put tCharsToSkip + tOffset into tTotalOffset > > > if char (tTotalOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an > integer > > then > > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with > > "_" > > > put tTotalOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > > else > > > replace char tTotalOffset of tFieldText with > > empty > > > put tTotalOffset into tCharsToSkip > > > end if > > > end repeat > > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > > end replaceChar > > > > > > Now, if in this one, I misspelled something, just correct it. :-) > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > > revolution- > > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > > > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:52 PM > > > > To: 'How to use Revolution' > > > > Subject: RE: Search / replace > > > > > > > > I missed the *end if* ;-) (see below) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the > character > > to > > > > > it's > > > > > > immediate left is a number. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no > > substitution > > > > or > > > > > > spaces). > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which > each > > line > > > > > may > > > > > > contain several [. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a > > > > combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > > > > > > > > > Use the *offset()* function as in: > > > > > > > > > > On replaceChar > > > > > Local tOffset, tCharsToSkip, tFieldText > > > > > ---- > > > > > put 0 into tCharsToSkip > > > > > put fld "theFieldName" into tFieldText > > > > > repeat > > > > > put offset("[",tFieldText,tCharsToSkip) into > tOffset > > > > > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > > > > > if char (tOffset - 1) of tFieldText is an integer > > then > > > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with "_" > > > > > put tOffset + 1 into tCharsToSkip > > > > > else > > > > > replace char tOffset of tFieldText with > empty > > > > > put tOffset into tCharsToSkip > > > > END IF > > > > > end repeat > > > > > put tFieldText into fld "theFieldName" > > > > > end replaceChar > > > > > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Sat Feb 20 01:51:54 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:51:54 -0800 Subject: Datagrid and Custom Controls Message-ID: I have a custom control that is a series of buttons in the group. The mouseup script on each button will return a different numerical value. I have this custom control on a Data Grid. What I would like to do is to set the value of another field on the data Grid based on the button in that is clicked. For the sake of simplicity, assume that the datagrid has two columns; ValueField and CustomControl. The value assigned to CustomControl is irrelevant. What I want to do is set the value of ValueField to a value based on the button clicked on the CustomControl. For example, if the user click on button 1, then I want to put 1 into field ValueField, if they click on button 2, I want to put 2 into field ValueField. Is this possible? Stewart. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 20 02:38:44 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:38:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <1266624421331-1562425.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266651524915-1562627.post@n4.nabble.com> Steven, you don't have to buy a 'Dell'. You can buy a copy of XP for a few tens of dollars and have a dual boot system. Its unbelievable to refuse, for emotional reasons, to test on what you are going to deploy on. I don't greatly care for Windows either - or Mac for that matter. But that would never stop me getting as close as possible to the client environment for testing before deployment. Possibly Rev treats Windows and Mac sufficiently carefully that you'll get away with it most of the time, and possibly virtualization of Windows on Mac is sufficiently complete in how it treats hardware that you will get away with it most of the time. I use VirtualBox on Linux to run Windows, and I can tell you from experience that if I were developing in Rev on Linux and only tested either on Linux or in the VM, I would have disasters. And I'd deserve them, though my clients would not! Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Stack-working-in-MACOS-not-in-Windows-tp1561182p1562627.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 03:17:37 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:17:37 -0600 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> Glen Bojsza wrote: > Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. > > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's > immediate left is a number. > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > spaces). > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may > contain several [. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command; regular expressions are ideal for this kind of problem. You won't need any loops, though you may need to run it twice, once to get all the brackets followed by numbers, and a second time to remove the single brackets. If Alex or Ken or someone else doesn't step in first, I'll see if I can get the regex worked up for you tomorrow. Maybe someone even knows how to test for both situations and replacements in the same expression. I know there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how. At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner to do what you want. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 03:23:25 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:23:25 -0600 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just > think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be > cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't > recognized ;-) I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 04:03:14 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:03:14 +0200 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> On 20/02/2010 10:23, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Kay C Lan wrote: > >> OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just >> think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be >> cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't >> recognized ;-) > > I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though. > All I can say is that, despite being boringly monogamous and heterosexual I am almost continually "Happy, Bright and Gay" AND . . . How a word that 500 years ago meant heterosexually loose managed to go via "Jolly" to what it means now entirely escapes me - 'tis very queer . . . :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently I am working on a paper for a Linguistics conference that will be held in Bucharest in June. It largely revolves about a diachronic analysis of meanings of the English word 'pig' (or, homonyms thereof) in comparison with the Bulgarian word 'prase' (= 'pig'); so we can say that for the next few months I will be pigging it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to the word 'Gay' . . . from a diachronic perspective it looks as though there has been one word whose meaning has changed over time; in fact in certain dialect regions of England the earlier sense of 'jolly' coexists beside its current 'homosexual' meaning. Now the question/problem is whether users of 'gay' in those areas where the 2 senses are used actually perceive them as 2 senses of the same word (Polysemy) or whether they perceive them as 2 separate words that sound the same (Homonymy) - should they be unaware of the diachronic history of 'gay' they may be inclined to see 'gay' & 'gay' as 2 distinct words. Certainly it would be quite difficult to work out the semantic step from 'jolly' to 'homosexual' unless, of course, there was an awareness of the even earlier sense of 'heterosexual looseness'. A cognitive radial category diagram for 'gay' would probably not work as there do not seem to be speech communities that have or had concepts that somehow connected jollity with being homosexual. Neither polysemy nor homonyny exist as external 'things', being psychological categories that came about as there was a perceived need to make language as efficient as possible; polysemy being concerned with efficiency in regard to conceptualisation, homonymy in regard to formality. This is probably more easily understood if we fall back on the ideas of FUNCTION versus FORM. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sorry, chaps, wearing one of my other hats for a bit there . . . :) From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 04:14:41 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:14:41 +1000 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> Message-ID: >>> OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just >>> think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be >>> cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't >>> recognized ;-) >> >> I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though. >> > All I can say is that, despite being boringly monogamous and heterosexual > I am almost continually "Happy, Bright and Gay" > > AND . . . > > How a word that 500 years ago meant heterosexually loose managed to go > via "Jolly" to what it means now entirely escapes me - 'tis very queer . . . > ?:) I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they don't like as being "gay". So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a teacher who growls at them is "gay". It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia. Cheers, Sarah P.S. Sorry Jacque - I'm sure they wouldn't think that you were "gay" :-) From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sat Feb 20 04:28:19 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:28:19 +1100 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <846BE192-D4E5-43A2-808D-C9C775DB8190@pixelmedia.com.au> This sounded like a fun puzzle to solve: On 20/02/2010, at 7:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Glen Bojsza wrote: >> Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead. >> I have a field which has hundreds of lines. >> For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's >> immediate left is a number. >> If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. >> If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or >> spaces). >> I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may >> contain several [. >> Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of >> find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command; regular expressions are ideal for this kind of problem. You won't need any loops, though you may need to run it twice, once to get all the brackets followed by numbers, and a second time to remove the single brackets. If Alex or Ken or someone else doesn't step in first, I'll see if I can get the regex worked up for you tomorrow. Maybe someone even knows how to test for both situations and replacements in the same expression. I know there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how. > > At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner to do what you want. I tried using replaceText(), but the problem is that it replaces the *entire* text which is 'recognised' by the regex. That would cause problems here. For instance, pinpointing all the "[" characters that are not preceded by a number is easy via regex - the regex is "[^0-9]\[". But the problem is that the 'replaceText' command will identify and replace *everything* in my expression, not just part of it. So, if in this case I ask it to: replaceText( field "sourceField", "[^0-9]\[", empty) ... it not only deletes the '[', but also the number preceding it. I came across problems with matchChunk, too, but for a different reason. I wanted to use it in a loop, so I could delete the required parts of each match. Unfortunately, even though it was returning 'true' to my regex - it *was* finding matches - it refused to populate my 'positionvars', so it was useless. I ended up writing a simple repeat loop, which seems to have done the trick: repeat with x = number of chars in field "sourceField" down to 1 if char x of field "sourceField" is not "[" then next repeat if char (x-1) of field "sourceField" is a number then put "_" into char x of field "sourceField" else put empty into char x of field "sourceField" end repeat I hope this helps! -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Sat Feb 20 05:14:35 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:14:35 +0100 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F15CBA-9BCF-415C-84ED-9F7EE9F73BB9@unil.ch> We should definitively start a new list dedicated to linguistic questions ! Sorry for falling in it too... To come back to the french equivalent of fortnight (quinze jours, quinzaine). I realised it's quite logical, despite the opinion of Francis (or at least it was logical till the sixties when they were 6 working days in the week). If you have two weeks holidays, you are "free" for fifteen days, counting the sundays before and after the working weeks. The same for "huit jours, huitaine". To Richmond: the etymology of french pigs, "cochon", is strictly unknown... some people suggest the farmers called them "cosh,cosh" when feeding them. To Richmond and Jacque: in french, a gay is often called a "tante" (rather pejorative) - what to do with our poor aunts ? And "gai" firmly keeps it's "jolly" meaning, as we are using the english spelling for the other meaning. Jacques Le 20 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:14, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : >>>> OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just >>>> think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be >>>> cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't >>>> recognized ;-) >>> >>> I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though. >>> >> All I can say is that, despite being boringly monogamous and heterosexual >> I am almost continually "Happy, Bright and Gay" >> >> AND . . . >> >> How a word that 500 years ago meant heterosexually loose managed to go >> via "Jolly" to what it means now entirely escapes me - 'tis very queer . . . >> :) > > I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they > don't like as being "gay". > So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a > teacher who growls at them is "gay". > > It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not > reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual > connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia. > > Cheers, > Sarah > > P.S. Sorry Jacque - I'm sure they wouldn't think that you were "gay" :-) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From bmmeili at swissonline.ch Sat Feb 20 05:17:40 2010 From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (Martin Meili) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:17:40 +0100 Subject: from htmlText to rawtext Message-ID: <37041D01-2CE6-44BD-BF18-2338D86DF380@swissonline.ch> How can I change the text in a field from htmltext to rawtext? Martin From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 05:21:51 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:21:51 +0000 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they > don't like as being "gay". > So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a > teacher who growls at them is "gay". > > It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not > reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual > connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia. Not just limited to Australia, I've heard that usage on South Park for years. I've no idea if South Park was creating or following a trend. Clearly we've now lost the use of that charming little word. Although in all truth, I think homos had been feeling 'gay' was a rather 70s word and was now as unfashionable as flared corduroy trousers. (Hang on, I think they came back in and went out again a few years ago...) Anyway, homos have got a variety of other epithets (hostile and/or clinical) by which they can described. Now that the majority of people describe themselves as 'straight' or 'heterosexual', we are in a different world from the late 1960s when gay people (along with black people) started to declare terms they wanted the majority to use to describe these minorities. I still have some old manifestos of the Gay Liberation Front -- they are hilarious. But I think the world I grew up in was already quite different from the world where those were written. Back then straight people would describe themselves as normal i.e. they didn't have a term for themselves. There's even videos from the 1980s of people being interviewed on the streets of London, and when asked "are you heterosexual" they would reply "no, I'm married". Since then we've had metrosexuals, transexuals ('men giving birth'?), gay coming to mean 'naff''. I doubt there's anyone left in the UK who doesn't know the difference between heterosexual/homosexual. Personally I've always thought queer was suitable for gay people -- I've always found people who wanted to be normal to be rather creepy. Being oneself I can understand, but suppressing individuality to go with the crowd seems to reduce us to sheep. Mind you, queer would then become an inclusive term that meant 'those who resist being normalized'. I'm sure there's more than a few people on this list who would describe themselves as 'queer'. Having married a man recently, I certainly feel less than outr? than in my youth. Bernard From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Sat Feb 20 05:23:06 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:23:06 +0100 Subject: from htmlText to rawtext In-Reply-To: <37041D01-2CE6-44BD-BF18-2338D86DF380@swissonline.ch> References: <37041D01-2CE6-44BD-BF18-2338D86DF380@swissonline.ch> Message-ID: Hi Martin, As I suggested yesterday: put the text of fld "X" into fld "X" HTH Jacques Le 20 f?vr. 2010 ? 11:17, Martin Meili a ?crit : > How can I change the text in a field from htmltext to rawtext? > Martin > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From mail at john-law.org.uk Sat Feb 20 06:14:10 2010 From: mail at john-law.org.uk (john law) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:14:10 +0000 Subject: peoples choice Message-ID: Hello World In an attempt to reawaken my long dormant hypertalk skills I'm trying to build a Runrev stack that allows visitors to an exhibition to vote for a numbered photograph, store the choice and give a 'current votes' result. I expect there is a Peoples Choice stack somewhere in the archive and would be grateful for pointers to it. bw from Bath UK JL John Law Panoramas www.john-law.org.uk mail at john-law.org.uk 01225 339590 From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Sat Feb 20 06:24:37 2010 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:24:37 +0100 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <846BE192-D4E5-43A2-808D-C9C775DB8190@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> <846BE192-D4E5-43A2-808D-C9C775DB8190@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <19EF10A9-F83D-43BC-A1A4-C37F2BA17865@unil.ch> Le 20 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:28, Igor de Oliveira Couto a ?crit : > > I came across problems with matchChunk, too, but for a different reason. I wanted to use it in a loop, so I could delete the required parts of each match. Unfortunately, even though it was returning 'true' to my regex - it *was* finding matches - it refused to populate my 'positionvars', so it was useless. > if I remember well, to get the 'positionvars' populated, they must be initialized before (put 0 in...) and the regex must be in parentheses. Jacques ****************************************** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch ******************************************* From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 06:47:32 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:47:32 +0000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <19EF10A9-F83D-43BC-A1A4-C37F2BA17865@unil.ch> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> <846BE192-D4E5-43A2-808D-C9C775DB8190@pixelmedia.com.au> <19EF10A9-F83D-43BC-A1A4-C37F2BA17865@unil.ch> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jacques Hausser wrote: > > Le 20 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:28, Igor de Oliveira Couto a ?crit : > >> >> I came across problems with matchChunk, too, but for a different reason. I wanted to use it in a loop, so I could delete the required parts of each match. Unfortunately, even though it was returning 'true' to my regex - it *was* finding matches - it refused to populate my 'positionvars', so it was useless. >> > > if I remember well, to get the 'positionvars' populated, they must be initialized before (put 0 in...) and the regex must be in parentheses. Jacques, that was my memory too... but I went back to the dictionary to check, and it appears that the positionVars no longer need to be pre-declared. I did a quick check and it is true. Bernard From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk Sat Feb 20 07:03:05 2010 From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:03:05 +0000 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7FCF79.1060606@harbourhosting.co.uk> Kay C Lan wrote: > On a slightly different note, it's always good to see when someone > tries to do the right thing and translate their signs into a foreign > language to help tourists. Of course it would help a lot more if they > actually used a native speaker, rather than the www: > > http://www.kirainet.com/images/errortranslate.jpg > > The correct translation would be Dining Room, or maybe Restaurant, > depending on the actual establishment. In Wales, signs have to be bilingual. Quality control is not all it might be though... -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sat Feb 20 07:08:14 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:08:14 +1100 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> <846BE192-D4E5-43A2-808D-C9C775DB8190@pixelmedia.com.au> <19EF10A9-F83D-43BC-A1A4-C37F2BA17865@unil.ch> Message-ID: <837173D4-A2E3-4581-A612-F57A7AC9E9BA@pixelmedia.com.au> On 20/02/2010, at 10:47 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Jacques, that was my memory too... but I went back to the dictionary > to check, and it appears that the positionVars no longer need to be > pre-declared. I did a quick check and it is true. I did pre-declare them, and pre-populated them - just in case - and still no luck... :( -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 07:43:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:43:23 +0200 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7FD8EB.8010604@gmail.com> On 20/02/2010 12:21, Bernard Devlin wrote: > > Having married a man recently, I certainly feel less than outr? than > in my youth. > > You know, that is rather odd; I am married, and I certainly don't think I ever conceived of myself as getting "married to a woman" - rather; I got married to Snezha (that is my wife's name), Getting "married to a woman" and "getting married to a man" should stop, forthwith, as it degrades the person one loves to some sort of biological entity. Getting married to the person one loves, regardless of their gender, is a serious statement of love and commitment - and I salute Bernard as well as all others who have entered that sacred state . . . :) Nowadays, just getting married, in and of itself, is plain outr?, as nowadays, instead of always saying "I do like a bit of butter on my bread" many people are saying; "Now, you can butter your bread roll however you want." http://www.princessoftheworld.com/2009/08/05/nobody-my-darling-could-call-me-a-fussy-man/ From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 07:48:22 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:48:22 +0100 Subject: peoples choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64bda6471002200448y10fb40b9j5a13ff93a9a8272d@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/20 john law : > Hello World > In an attempt to reawaken my long dormant hypertalk skills I'm trying to build a Runrev stack that allows visitors to an exhibition to vote for a numbered photograph, store the choice and give a 'current votes' result. > I expect there is a Peoples Choice stack somewhere in the archive and would be grateful for pointers to it. Hi John, Have a look to the Multi Choice Questionaire. You can find this stack in the "Sample projects" section of the Revolution Resource Center. To access to the Resource Center when you are in Runrev, use the Resource center button in the toolbar, or go to the submenu Resource Center in the Help menu. HTH, Regards -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 08:08:53 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:08:53 +0000 Subject: peoples choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John, welcome back to xTalk. Despite what you might think (seeing all the options such as web plugin, web server, database connections, video grabber, etc) Rev is fundamentally still HyperCard. If you can dredge up your old knowledge, I'd guess 80% of it is still useful. Of course, that 80% that still applies with Rev is probably only 40% of what can be done with Rev. I don't know if you've looked through the RevOnline Browser that comes installed with Rev. It's 3rd from the right on the standard menu in the IDE. There are various sample stacks - the left-hand list is the categories under which the stacks were submitted. If you have a look under the "media" category you will see there is a sample of a slideshow stack there. That might give you some ideas. There was also a stack that was being used recently to demonstrate the capabilities of the web plugin comminicating with the server. I believe the code for that stack was freely available, but I can't find any references to it right now. Have you found the User Guide that comes installed with the IDE? Also, under the Resource Center (2nd from right on IDE menu) there is a heading "Sample Projects" which contains a "Multiple Choice Questionaire" stack. BTW, I visited Bath for the first time last year. It is a very beautiful city -- got to be in the top 3 places in the UK. You're a lucky man to live there :-) Bernard From jim at visitrieve.com Sat Feb 20 08:53:47 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:53:47 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <000001cab234$2089b660$619d2320$@com> Jacque wrote: > This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command... > ...there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how. > > At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner > to do what you want. Glen, while Jacque works on a regex and after getting some sleep, ;-) here is the correct way to do what you want in a "readable" Rev loop (replace *FieldName* with the name of your actual field and put this code into a button): on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo put replaceChar("[", the text of fld "FieldName") into fld "FieldName" end mouseUp function replaceChar pCharToReplace, pString local tOffset ---- repeat put offset(pCharToReplace,pString) into tOffset if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat if char (tOffset - 1) of pString is an integer then put "_" into char tOffset of pString else put empty into char tOffset of pString end if end repeat return pString end replaceChar Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 09:32:56 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:32:56 +0800 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7FCF79.1060606@harbourhosting.co.uk> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7FCF79.1060606@harbourhosting.co.uk> Message-ID: Classic :-) On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > In Wales, signs have to be bilingual. Quality control is not all it > might be though... > > > > -- > I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat Feb 20 10:12:40 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:12:40 -0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > I have a field which has hundreds of lines. > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's > immediate left is a number. > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > spaces). > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line > may > contain several [. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a > combination of > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > assuming that the line cr char does not really matter solution without RegEx put fld 1 into originalTextBlock set the linedel to "[" repeat for each line LNN in originalTextBlock if word -1 of LNN is a number then put LNN & "_" after newVersion else put LNN after newVersion end if end repeat set the linedel to cr -- see note below replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion put newVersion into fld 2 ----------------------- Just in case there is a line ending in a number and the first char of the next line is '[' and you did not want that specific conversion change is back to a '[' char replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion Brain dead + RegEx = disaster I like and use RegEx, but know that you must be fresh to get it right in less than a fortnight :-) Jim Ault Las Vegas From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat Feb 20 10:24:23 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:24:23 -0600 Subject: Decode in tRev In-Reply-To: <4EA9184C-1DD2-41F7-ADDF-2A1B0248EC35@cruzio.com> References: <4EA9184C-1DD2-41F7-ADDF-2A1B0248EC35@cruzio.com> Message-ID: Mark, I happen to agree with you, objectively speaking?even though I wrote the tool you are praising. We have some improvements to Decoder in the works that will make it even more useful. Since we opened up the tRev API, I'm happy to also report that others are working on plugins to broaden tRev's capabilities. 1. There is a third party modal debugger under construction that will work with tRev (and Rev without tRev). 2. Also under development, a plugin for tRev that will let you write, check syntax, decode and deploy On-Rev CGI scripts. Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > The more I get familiar with this feature of tRev the more I like > it. It's quite a brilliant implementation. Set all the breakpoints > you want, and then, after your script has run, go back and step > forward and backwards through each breakpoint snapshot, looking into > each set of conditions/states just as they occurred at every point > along the journey. Just an excellent tool. > > Mark_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gbojsza at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 10:49:29 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:49:29 -0700 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <000001cab234$2089b660$619d2320$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9AA1.8070200@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab234$2089b660$619d2320$@com> Message-ID: <3d8af4151002200749l4563d402k9e2ed9b1d1e7c3a8@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I discovered that no sleep (5 hours / two days) and trying to solve this was a disaster. It also was a good reminder how good and responsive this list is! I just got some sleep and saw the responses this morning. thanks to everyone, Glen On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Jacque wrote: > > > This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command... > > ...there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how. > > > > At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner > > to do what you want. > > Glen, while Jacque works on a regex and after getting some sleep, ;-) here > is the correct way to do what you want in a "readable" Rev loop (replace > *FieldName* with the name of your actual field and put this code into a > button): > > on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo > put replaceChar("[", the text of fld "FieldName") into fld "FieldName" > end mouseUp > > function replaceChar pCharToReplace, pString > local tOffset > ---- > repeat > put offset(pCharToReplace,pString) into tOffset > if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat > if char (tOffset - 1) of pString is an integer then > put "_" into char tOffset of pString > else > put empty into char tOffset of pString > end if > end repeat > return pString > end replaceChar > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Sat Feb 20 11:29:50 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:29:50 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101cab249$ed4d66f0$c7e834d0$@com> Jim Ault wrote: > ----------------------- > Just in case there is a line ending in a number and the first char of > the next line is '[' > and you did not want that specific conversion > change is back to a '[' char > > replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion Since, in the end, you shouldn't end up with any brackets and, since the bracket is at the beginning of a line and therefore not "preceded" by a number, it was just mistakenly converted to an "_" instead of empty when the line endings were brackets. So, wouldn't the line be?: replace (cr & "_") with (cr) in newVersion I think we both shouldn't type more than a couple of lines of code freehand into emails. ;-) Last night I had the additional excuses of being at the end of my day, I hadn't eaten, and I was tired. But, even fresh, I know I shouldn't do it. ;-) To slightly change the topic. Isn't Rev grand? A simple text parse (thanks to Rev chuncks), and Kay and I immediately thought of *offset*, Jacque thought of *replaceText* and regex, you thought of *linedel* and there are probably several other totally different ways to do it, all equally efficient. Ya gotta LOVE RevTalk! :-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sat Feb 20 12:07:06 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:07:06 -0800 Subject: Strange menubar problem Message-ID: <5A5AC83F-B115-4930-A5E5-08FE4AD7CA34@mollysrevenge.com> I've set up the standard app/file/edit/help menus to be displayed in the OSX menu bar of my app. The menubars property is correctly set to the name of the group containing the menu definitions and the editMenus property is set to false. The menus appear correctly in the OSX menu bar. However, every time I run my app, the main stack window grows in height by a few pixels added to the bottom of the window. This is a cumulative effect so each time the app runs, the the main stack window gets progressively taller. If I manually resize the main stack window then rerun my app, it appears with the height as it was before I manually resized it. I can't find any scripts that would affect the size of the main stack window. The main stack is displayed as a pallette. I'm running rev 4.0 on OSX 10.5. Any clues? Pete Haworth From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat Feb 20 12:10:23 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:10:23 -0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <000101cab249$ed4d66f0$c7e834d0$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <000101cab249$ed4d66f0$c7e834d0$@com> Message-ID: On Feb 20, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Jim Ault wrote: > >> ----------------------- >> Just in case there is a line ending in a number and the first char of >> the next line is '[' >> and you did not want that specific conversion >> change is back to a '[' char >> >> replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion > > Since, in the end, you shouldn't end up with any brackets and, since > the > bracket is at the beginning of a line and therefore not "preceded" > by a > number, it was just mistakenly converted to an "_" instead of empty > when the > line endings were brackets. So, wouldn't the line be?: I made the note because I did not know if a '[' was a legal char that was outside the parsing rules, and Glen should be aware that my routine would need this tweak depending on his final goal. I made the assumption that it might be that all instances of '[' should not be removed, thus Glen can make the choice. > > replace (cr & "_") with (cr) in newVersion > > I think we both shouldn't type more than a couple of lines of code > freehand > into emails. ;-) Actually, I *always* run my code, then make a copy for the email (without color formatting) It is too easy to dash of lines of code that become confusing, then have to send more emails as corrections. This list is archived and used by new users who don't always know how to spot typos. Such a great list of willing, clever contributors who show their creative solutions for all. Jim Ault Las Vegas From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sat Feb 20 12:12:46 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:12:46 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day Message-ID: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that the time is in the correct format. What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal with time-based numbers. Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? Pete Haworth From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 12:14:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:14:04 -0600 Subject: Displaying stack images in revBrowser? Message-ID: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to generating the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an in the HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues? Jeff M. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Feb 20 12:21:01 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:21:01 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: use the slider to manipulate the seconds, and convert to time steps on the fly. Don't use the scale of the slider, instead make your own scale alongside. You might find a lookup table faster than conversion. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 09:12, Peter Haworth wrote: > I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm > trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that > the time is in the correct format. > > What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would > increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was hoping > the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal > with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal > with time-based numbers. > > Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? > > Pete Haworth > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Feb 20 12:22:21 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:22:21 -0800 Subject: Displaying stack images in revBrowser? In-Reply-To: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> References: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> Message-ID: try using full pathnames ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 09:14, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to > generating the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an src="My_Image"> in the HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues? > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rick-rice at shaw.ca Sat Feb 20 12:32:50 2010 From: rick-rice at shaw.ca (Rick Rice) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:32:50 -0800 Subject: peoples choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5FE9B772-5395-4D23-B73A-B59B6195C9C7@shaw.ca> On Feb 20, 2010, at 5:08 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > BTW, I visited Bath for the first time last year. It is a very > beautiful city -- got to be in the top 3 places in the UK. You're a > lucky man to live there :-) > > Bernard John: I definitely agree. Bath is an absolutely beautiful city. We visited from Canada in the summer of 08. Which brings me a way off topic for this list. We will be visiting France in October. Are there any Revers in France who would be willing to communicate, off list, to give a non-bilingual Canadian suggestions as to what to see, do, or avoid particularly in the Vimy- Ridge and Normandy areas? Rick From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Feb 20 12:35:19 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:35:19 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <4B801D57.7010409@comcast.net> Hi Peter, I don't know if it would help, but I have a stack at RevOnline called "Marty's Sliders" that would give you more flexibility and could perhaps be adapted for your use. At the end of the mouseMove handler there's a line that computes a value and puts it into a field to in effect show the thumbPosition of the slider. Marty Knapp > I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and > I'm trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to > ensure that the time is in the correct format. > > What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would > increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was > hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only > seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to > figure out how to deal with time-based numbers. > > Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? > > Pete Haworth > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 12:35:23 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:35:23 -0600 Subject: Displaying stack images in revBrowser? In-Reply-To: References: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> Message-ID: What full path name? To be clear: I know I can use file:// and ship the image along with the app as a resource. I'd prefer not to do that and just use the image that's already embedded in the stack file (if possible). Jeff M. On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:22 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > try using full pathnames From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Feb 20 12:44:35 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:44:35 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <4B801D57.7010409@comcast.net> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> <4B801D57.7010409@comcast.net> Message-ID: There's some very useful code in Marty's stack - I modified it slightly so as to use a behavior and put the slider components into a group rather than putting the scripts in the buttons, so I could use the same code with any number of sliders. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 09:35, Marty Knapp wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I don't know if it would help, but I have a stack at RevOnline called > "Marty's Sliders" that would give you more flexibility and could perhaps be > adapted for your use. > > At the end of the mouseMove handler there's a line that computes a value > and puts it into a field to in effect show the thumbPosition of the slider. > > Marty Knapp > > I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm >> trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that >> the time is in the correct format. >> >> What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would >> increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was hoping >> the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal >> with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal >> with time-based numbers. >> >> Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? >> >> Pete Haworth >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 12:45:30 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:45:30 -0600 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <4B801D57.7010409@comcast.net> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> <4B801D57.7010409@comcast.net> Message-ID: <972CA0F4-C9B7-4977-B7E2-2A8D8A03EA18@gmail.com> You may want to take a look at Windows' task scheduler or whatever it is on the platform you are targeting. While it's possible to come up with something better and easier, I usually find that straying from UI paradigms that users are accustomed to can end up causing a lot of needless pain for the developer: annoying bug reports that aren't really bugs and feature requests to make something act "normal". If you want something graphical, I'd make the input a selection (like a date picker) or typed in, and perhaps have an analog clock graphic that can indicate to the user potential problems. My 2 cents. Jeff M. On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Marty Knapp wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I don't know if it would help, but I have a stack at RevOnline called "Marty's Sliders" that would give you more flexibility and could perhaps be adapted for your use. > > At the end of the mouseMove handler there's a line that computes a value and puts it into a field to in effect show the thumbPosition of the slider. > > Marty Knapp >> I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that the time is in the correct format. >> >> What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal with time-based numbers. >> >> Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? >> >> Pete Haworth >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Feb 20 12:58:13 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:58:13 -0800 Subject: Displaying stack images in revBrowser? In-Reply-To: References: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> Message-ID: That is a very good question. Forgive me for being so abrupt. So is the address supposed to be relative to the stack or to the browser libraries of the host system?? We should know this. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 09:35, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > What full path name? > > To be clear: I know I can use file:// and ship the image along with the app > as a resource. I'd prefer not to do that and just use the image that's > already embedded in the stack file (if possible). > > Jeff M. > > > On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:22 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > > > try using full pathnames > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bonnmike at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 13:28:07 2010 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:28:07 -0700 Subject: Search / replace Message-ID: <7052a6741002201028r47233904tf8e4d9cf77586c8e@mail.gmail.com> If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to this.. put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp put replaceText(tTmp,"(? References: <5FE9B772-5395-4D23-B73A-B59B6195C9C7@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Hello from Paris (France), What is "Revers", "Vimy-Ridge" Thank you Ren? Le 20 f?vr. 2010 ? 18:32, Rick Rice a ?crit : > John: > I definitely agree. Bath is an absolutely beautiful city. We visited from Canada in the summer of 08. > Which brings me a way off topic for this list. We will be visiting France in October. Are there any Revers in France who would be willing to communicate, off list, to give a non-bilingual Canadian suggestions as to what to see, do, or avoid particularly in the Vimy-Ridge and Normandy areas? > Rick From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sat Feb 20 14:17:12 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:17:12 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <20100220174533.4855A2881F4@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100220174533.4855A2881F4@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7BE1F4C7-3090-4A9E-8439-CFFDE119915C@mollysrevenge.com> Thanks Marty and Jeff. I will take a look at at your stack Marty. Jeff, you raise a good point, I hadn't thought about. I'm mainly running on a Mac and people tend to schedule things with tasks/ appointments in iCal although various third party tools have their own built in schedulers with their own ways of entering times. Pete Haworth From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 14:55:21 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:55:21 -0600 Subject: Displaying stack images in revBrowser? In-Reply-To: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> References: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to generating the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an in the HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues? > I had the same questions a month or two ago... this solution provided as a courtesy from Shao Sean: You need to embed the image inline as base64 data.. (note, the square brackets are part of the placeholders and should not appear in the final code) A quick break-down of the syntax -- standard html HTH, David C. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 15:09:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:09:52 -0600 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <7052a6741002201028r47233904tf8e4d9cf77586c8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7052a6741002201028r47233904tf8e4d9cf77586c8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B804190.3060303@hyperactivesw.com> Mike Bonner wrote: > If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to this.. > > put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp > put replaceText(tTmp,"(? > This does a look behind. Amazing, thank you. I knew there had to be a way to do this but my regex skills aren't good enough. Very nice! -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Feb 20 15:18:11 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:18:11 -0800 Subject: File Type for DLL Message-ID: <0E2A08DD-068C-4960-BA37-033376E2844B@mac.com> I set the following file types for various files. switch tFileExt case ".rev" put "RevoRSTK" into tFileType break case ".mc" put "MCRDMSTK" into tFileType break case ".doc" put "MSWDWDOC" into tFileType break end switch What would it be for a Windows .dll file? Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Feb 20 15:19:49 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:19:49 -0800 Subject: File Type for DLL In-Reply-To: <0E2A08DD-068C-4960-BA37-033376E2844B@mac.com> References: <0E2A08DD-068C-4960-BA37-033376E2844B@mac.com> Message-ID: <3A98E4AB-91F7-4CAE-B8AF-A925C3CA6E01@mac.com> Oh, never mind. This is a Windows file and the docs say it is only for Mac files. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I set the following file types for various files. > > switch tFileExt > case ".rev" > put "RevoRSTK" into tFileType > break > case ".mc" > put "MCRDMSTK" into tFileType > break > case ".doc" > put "MSWDWDOC" into tFileType > break > end switch > > What would it be for a Windows .dll file? > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 15:26:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:26:28 -0600 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B804574.6010606@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Certainly it would be quite difficult to work out the semantic step from > 'jolly' to > 'homosexual' unless, of course, there was an awareness of the even > earlier sense > of 'heterosexual looseness'. If I remember right, there was no semantic drift. The group simply decided arbitrarily that "gay" was the word they wanted to adopt, and then did so. It could easily have been anything else, and if it had been, then some other family would have been getting 3 AM phone calls from 9 year olds who had various, though usually unoriginal, suggestions for us. That all stopped when Caller ID became widespread, btw, for which we remain extremely grateful. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 15:32:43 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:32:43 -0600 Subject: Displaying stack images in revBrowser? In-Reply-To: References: <5D1FE48C-D060-4582-96C8-67EDB8B6F143@gmail.com> Message-ID: <73DE9B3C-D221-4AC2-81DE-826B21BD10C1@gmail.com> Ah yes! Forgot about that in HTML. Danke! Jeff M. On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:55 PM, David Coker wrote: >> Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to generating the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an in the HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues? >> > > > I had the same questions a month or two ago... this solution provided > as a courtesy from Shao Sean: > > You need to embed the image inline as base64 data.. > > From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 15:39:09 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:39:09 -0600 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <7BE1F4C7-3090-4A9E-8439-CFFDE119915C@mollysrevenge.com> References: <20100220174533.4855A2881F4@mail.runrev.com> <7BE1F4C7-3090-4A9E-8439-CFFDE119915C@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <7AC4E700-4F9F-4D40-B718-8E1752A9FE77@gmail.com> Pete, If your app runs exclusively on the Mac you may want to just look at integrating iCal into it with AppleScript and handle it that way... When your app launches or whenever is appropriate, let the user select a calendar file that's exclusive to your app. The user could open it in iCal to adjust things or open it through your app. You could likely then use AppleScript to get various date/times from it to do your tasks. I don't use iCal (much) and have never looked to see what functionality is provided for it through AppleScript. But you may end getting a very win-win out of this: let the user thing "awesome!" because it "just works" with iCal and let's you relax and let iCal do most of the heavy lifting in this department. :-) Jeff M. On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Marty and Jeff. > > I will take a look at at your stack Marty. > > Jeff, you raise a good point, I hadn't thought about. I'm mainly running on a Mac and people tend to schedule things with tasks/appointments in iCal although various third party tools have their own built in schedulers with their own ways of entering times. > > Pete Haworth > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 15:41:09 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:41:09 -0600 Subject: Strange menubar problem In-Reply-To: <5A5AC83F-B115-4930-A5E5-08FE4AD7CA34@mollysrevenge.com> References: <5A5AC83F-B115-4930-A5E5-08FE4AD7CA34@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <4B8048E5.9010606@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > I've set up the standard app/file/edit/help menus to be displayed in the > OSX menu bar of my app. The menubars property is correctly set to the > name of the group containing the menu definitions and the editMenus > property is set to false. The menus appear correctly in the OSX menu bar. > > However, every time I run my app, the main stack window grows in height > by a few pixels added to the bottom of the window. This is a cumulative > effect so each time the app runs, the the main stack window gets > progressively taller. If I manually resize the main stack window then > rerun my app, it appears with the height as it was before I manually > resized it. > > I can't find any scripts that would affect the size of the main stack > window. The main stack is displayed as a pallette. I'm running rev 4.0 > on OSX 10.5. > Any clues? It sounds like the shrinking stack phenomenon, which is a long-standing bug, only yours is in reverse. If it's the same bug, then check to see if the destroystack property of your stack is set to true. If so, turn that off. In the case of shrinking stacks, that's the culprit. There's an ancient bug report about it, and last I asked, it was going to be fixed. If that isn't the problem then try setting the menubar of the stack to empty (which will pop the menus back to the top of the stack window,) size the stack the way you want it, save the stack, then set the menubar property again and resave. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 15:45:56 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:45:56 -0600 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> stephen barncard wrote: > Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are created, > and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so perhaps > the decryption is messed up. After you decode the file, try exiting the handler and opening the file and seeing if it will play in a different app. That will at least tell you if the decoding has gone wrong. It isn't clear what kind of encryption you're using but there may be platform differences during decryption. BTW, the dot before a file name will only hide the file on Mac OS X. On Windows it will still be fully visible. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 16:03:35 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:03:35 +0100 Subject: peoples choice In-Reply-To: References: <5FE9B772-5395-4D23-B73A-B59B6195C9C7@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <64bda6471002201303y538c6d4le8a6b6bda7abcb4c@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/20 Ren? Micout : > Hello from Paris (France), > What is "Revers", "Vimy-Ridge" > Thank you > Ren? Bonjour Ren?! Revers could be a neologism for Rev users. Vimy-Ridge : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vimy_Ridge Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sat Feb 20 16:31:50 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:31:50 +1100 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <7052a6741002201028r47233904tf8e4d9cf77586c8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7052a6741002201028r47233904tf8e4d9cf77586c8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70420505-7306-4446-A19B-ECBAAF4F7BFC@pixelmedia.com.au> Mike, thank you very much for this pointer: On 21/02/2010, at 5:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to this.. > > put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp > put replaceText(tTmp,"(? > This does a look behind. [...] Someone should definitely add this to the User Guide - or at the very least one of us should make an entry about this in the Dictionary, under 'replaceText'. Pleeeeeease! Many thanks, once again, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sat Feb 20 16:41:11 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:41:11 +1100 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B804574.6010606@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <677083D5-2418-4AE1-A638-BD8D3EF27A0C@major.on-rev.com> <9b408d8e1002170631q50bbf926hb7ce7332123d1e4c@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C8ADF.6040603@tweedly.net> <4B7CDE85.8070505@gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> <4B804574.6010606@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7ADAC4EE-78A7-4BFE-B15E-5B877FAFB562@pixelmedia.com.au> I sympathise: On 21/02/2010, at 7:26 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: [...] > hen some other family would have been getting 3 AM phone calls from 9 year olds who had various, though usually unoriginal, suggestions for us. [...] Our phone number used to be 1 digit off the number the local radio station used when running on-air competitions. We used to get regular phone calls at 3:00am from people who were desperate to tell us that they "knew the name of the song"! -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sat Feb 20 16:48:16 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:48:16 +1100 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names Message-ID: Dear List Members, I am trying to write a reasonably simple test script, which would iterate through every file in a chosen directory, and give me the md5 checksum for that file. I am coming across a problem, which *may* be related to Unicode, but I'm not certain. The algorithm is like this: * user selects directory * get list of files in directory (using 'the files') * for every file in the list: ** get the file data stream (using 'get URL "binfile:..."') ** get the checksum The function that gets the datastream using 'get URL' returns 'empty' in case it cannot find the file. I am finding, that when a file has certain accented or foreign characters in its name, 'get URL' is unable to find it - even though it is using the original unmodified string returned by 'the files'... What is most puzzling, is that this does not happen with *every* file that has an international character in it - files with french, spanish, german or even scandinavian characters fly through without a hitch. But if I have a file that has a "?" (c+circumflex) or "?" (u+breve) in its name, for instance, it chokes. Am I doing something wrong, or missing something basic? - or did I hit a limitation, or bug? Many thanks for any guidance, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia PS - the code in full, for those interested: 1) Make a new Mainstack, and add a field named "folderContents", and a button. 2) Put the following into the button's script: on mouseUp answer folder "Please select a folder:" if it is empty then exit mouseUp local tDefault, tItems put the defaultFolder into tDefault set the defaultFolder to it put empty into field "folderContents" put the files into tItems repeat for each line xLine in tItems put "name=" & quote & xLine & quote after field "folderContents" put " checksum=" & quote & fileDigest(the defaultFolder & "/" & xLine) & quote & return after field "folderContents" end repeat filter field "folderContents" without empty set the defaultFolder to tDefault end mouseUp function hexDigest pvalue local tRes, tMD5 put md5Digest(pValue) into tMD5 get binaryDecode("H*",tMD5,tRes) return tRes end hexDigest function fileDigest pFile if there is a file pFile then get URL ("binfile:" & pFile) return hexDigest(it) else return empty end if end fileDigest From kee at kagi.com Sat Feb 20 19:04:14 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:04:14 -0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later when you are revisiting the code repeat with x = 0 to 9 replace (x & "[") with (x & "_") in theField end repeat > > For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's > immediate left is a number. > > If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. > > If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or > spaces). > > I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may > contain several [. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of > find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ------------------------------------------------- I check email roughly 2 to 3 times per business day. Kagi main office: +1 (510) 550-1336 From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Sat Feb 20 19:25:52 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:25:52 -0800 Subject: Datagrid and Custom Controls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind. I figured it out. Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jim at visitrieve.com Sat Feb 20 21:04:24 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:04:24 -1000 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> Message-ID: <007b01cab29a$312841b0$9378c510$@com> Kee Nethery wrote: > This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later > when you are revisiting the code > > repeat with x = 0 to 9 > replace (x & "[") with (x & "_") in theField > end repeat Another good and different take, Kee. :-) Just, did you intend to have the line: replace "[" with empty in theField after the repeat loop? Thanks for sharing Kee and reinforcing again that there is always yet another way to do it in Rev! Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 20 21:12:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:12:28 -0600 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <70420505-7306-4446-A19B-ECBAAF4F7BFC@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <7052a6741002201028r47233904tf8e4d9cf77586c8e@mail.gmail.com> <70420505-7306-4446-A19B-ECBAAF4F7BFC@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <4B80968C.1070803@hyperactivesw.com> Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > Mike, thank you very much for this pointer: > > On 21/02/2010, at 5:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to >> this.. >> >> put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp put >> replaceText(tTmp,"(?> >> This does a look behind. > > [...] > > Someone should definitely add this to the User Guide - or at the very > least one of us should make an entry about this in the Dictionary, > under 'replaceText'. Pleeeeeease! > I definitely kept a copy myself, it's very clever. It's a very specific implementation of regex though, so I'm not sure it would be useful for most people. But feel free to add it to the doc notes if you want, anyone can do that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 00:25:12 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:25:12 -0800 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Igor, why don't you try and use "the detailed files", URLDecode it and parse out the filenames? Perhaps URLDecoding can preserve those characters. just a thought. Not tested. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 13:48, Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > Dear List Members, > > I am trying to write a reasonably simple test script, which would iterate > through every file in a chosen directory, and give me the md5 checksum for > that file. I am coming across a problem, which *may* be related to Unicode, > but I'm not certain. The algorithm is like this: > > * user selects directory > * get list of files in directory (using 'the files') > * for every file in the list: > ** get the file data stream (using 'get URL "binfile:..."') > ** get the checksum > > The function that gets the datastream using 'get URL' returns 'empty' in > case it cannot find the file. I am finding, that when a file has certain > accented or foreign characters in its name, 'get URL' is unable to find it - > even though it is using the original unmodified string returned by 'the > files'... What is most puzzling, is that this does not happen with *every* > file that has an international character in it - files with french, spanish, > german or even scandinavian characters fly through without a hitch. But if I > have a file that has a "?" (c+circumflex) or "?" (u+breve) in its name, for > instance, it chokes. > > Am I doing something wrong, or missing something basic? - or did I hit a > limitation, or bug? > > Many thanks for any guidance, > > -- > Igor de Oliveira Couto > Sydney, Australia > > > PS - the code in full, for those interested: > > 1) Make a new Mainstack, and add a field named "folderContents", and a > button. > 2) Put the following into the button's script: > > on mouseUp > answer folder "Please select a folder:" > if it is empty then exit mouseUp > local tDefault, tItems > put the defaultFolder into tDefault > set the defaultFolder to it > put empty into field "folderContents" > put the files into tItems > repeat for each line xLine in tItems > put "name=" & quote & xLine & quote after field "folderContents" > put " checksum=" & quote & fileDigest(the defaultFolder & "/" & xLine) > & quote & return after field "folderContents" > end repeat > filter field "folderContents" without empty > set the defaultFolder to tDefault > end mouseUp > > function hexDigest pvalue > local tRes, tMD5 > put md5Digest(pValue) into tMD5 > get binaryDecode("H*",tMD5,tRes) > return tRes > end hexDigest > > function fileDigest pFile > if there is a file pFile then > get URL ("binfile:" & pFile) > return hexDigest(it) > else > return empty > end if > end fileDigest_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sun Feb 21 00:32:14 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:32:14 +1100 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> Dear Stephen, Many thanks for the suggestion: On 21/02/2010, at 4:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Igor, why don't you try and use "the detailed files", URLDecode it and parse > out the filenames? Perhaps URLDecoding can preserve those characters. > > just a thought. Not tested. I tried it, and it doesn't work. When the file name is a "?" (c+circumflex), for instance, it encodes it as 2 separate characters: a "c" and a "^" circumflex. When I URLdecode it, therefore, I end up with a "c^". The name of the file is different, and Revolution's functions (get url, there is a file, etc.) cannot find the file... Please do send any more suggestions, though. I really want this to work, and I'll try anything!!! :) Kind Regards, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From revdev at pdslabs.net Sun Feb 21 00:48:45 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:48:45 -0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> Message-ID: <4B80C93D.40006@pdslabs.net> Thanks Kee. This is simple and clear, and is a great way to do it for the exact reason you gave. Phil Davis On 2/20/10 4:04 PM, Kee Nethery wrote: > This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later when you are revisiting the code > > repeat with x = 0 to 9 > replace (x& "[") with (x& "_") in theField > end repeat > > >> For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's >> immediate left is a number. >> >> If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _. >> >> If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or >> spaces). >> >> I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may >> contain several [. >> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of >> find characters and foundchunk on the field without success. >> >> thanks, >> >> > ------------------------------------------------- > I check email roughly 2 to 3 times per business day. > Kagi main office: +1 (510) 550-1336 > -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From kee at kagi.com Sun Feb 21 01:07:12 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:07:12 -0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <007b01cab29a$312841b0$9378c510$@com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> <007b01cab29a$312841b0$9378c510$@com> Message-ID: <7696D4B5-C1FE-4902-99D2-93FF4DD75DEE@kagi.com> On Feb 20, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Kee Nethery wrote: > >> This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later >> when you are revisiting the code >> >> repeat with x = 0 to 9 >> replace (x & "[") with (x & "_") in theField >> end repeat > > Another good and different take, Kee. :-) Just, did you intend to have the > line: > > replace "[" with empty in theField > after the repeat loop? yes, didn't see that requirement. kee > > Thanks for sharing Kee and reinforcing again that there is always yet > another way to do it in Rev! > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ------------------------------------------------- I check email roughly 2 to 3 times per business day. Kagi main office: +1 (510) 550-1336 From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 01:12:00 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:12:00 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: thanks for the tips, Jacque and Mark.... ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 12:45, J. Landman Gay wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > >> Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are >> created, >> and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so >> perhaps >> the decryption is messed up. >> > > After you decode the file, try exiting the handler and opening the file and > seeing if it will play in a different app. That will at least tell you if > the decoding has gone wrong. It isn't clear what kind of encryption you're > using but there may be platform differences during decryption. > > BTW, the dot before a file name will only hide the file on Mac OS X. On > Windows it will still be fully visible. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From h at FlexibleLearning.com Sun Feb 21 02:07:05 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:07:05 -0000 Subject: basic math help In-Reply-To: <20100127180004.781A0288733@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Can anyone help me out, perhaps off list, with re-jigging this equation in terms of n? GW = (n * mW) + [(n-1) * 25] I've tried but my school days are too long ago! /H From DunbarX at aol.com Sun Feb 21 02:55:05 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:55:05 EST Subject: basic math help Message-ID: I am assuming that GW and mW are single variable names? n = GW-25 / mW +25 Craig Newman From h at FlexibleLearning.com Sun Feb 21 03:47:19 2010 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:47:19 -0000 Subject: Basic math help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Peter... My school days are long gone too. However, I came up with this: GW = (n * MW) + [(n - 1) * 25] GW = (n * MW) + (n * 25) - 25 GW + 25 = (n * MW) + (n * 25) GW + 25 = n * (MW + 25) n = (GW + 25) / (MW + 25) Now back on track! /H >Can anyone help me out, perhaps off list, with re-jigging this equation in terms of n? > >GW = (n * mW) + [(n-1) * 25] > >I've tried but my school days are too long ago! > >/H From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sun Feb 21 05:07:19 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:07:19 -0800 Subject: Basic math help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06464CC4-74F2-49EC-8FB7-CADBF772057F@yahoo.com> ..and the only undefined value to pre-test for would be mW = -25, which makes the denominator 0 On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:47 AM, Hugh Senior wrote: > Thank you, Peter... > > My school days are long gone too. However, I came up with this: > > GW = (n * MW) + [(n - 1) * 25] > GW = (n * MW) + (n * 25) - 25 > GW + 25 = (n * MW) + (n * 25) > GW + 25 = n * (MW + 25) > n = (GW + 25) / (MW + 25) > > Now back on track! > > /H > > >> Can anyone help me out, perhaps off list, with re-jigging this >> equation in > terms of n? >> >> GW = (n * mW) + [(n-1) * 25] >> >> I've tried but my school days are too long ago! >> >> /H Jim Ault Las Vegas From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 06:02:57 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:02:57 +0000 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > Please do send any more suggestions, though. I really want this to work, and I'll try anything!!! ?:) Igor, I tried with Vista and there's a bit of good news and a lot of bad news. The good news is it doesn't choke on a file with a '?' it the name, but it does replace it with a 'c' when getting 'the files'. Subsequently Rev is unable to find the file in "there is a file" when it has substituted the character, so the checksum fails. In the message box I tried "there is a file" using a file with a ? in the name. And not only did Rev answer false when there was such a file, the message box replaced the ? in the input field and put either several spaces or a tab in place of the ?. Thinking that bugs like this surely would have been seen by our French revolutionaries I switched my input to French and restarted Rev, but still the problem persisted. I set the useUnicode to true in all your handlers (the only property that seems vaguely relevant), but still no go. Thinking that the issues I saw with ? in the message box might be a message-box-only issue, I tried to just get the file from within a button. But in my testing, I could not even paste a ? into the script editor. Finally I checked in RQCC. Unfortunately there seem to be relevant bug reports dating back almost 2 years: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4897 http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 There are approx 30% more bugs now than there were 12 months ago. Everyone's very excited about revMobile, but I see no reason to think that in 12 months time the bug count won't be even higher. It looks like you don't even have the option to parse the output of shell() (and 'dir' or 'ls' depending on the platform), since the file operations will fail even if you get the correct file name. I'm afraid I'm out of suggestions. Maybe someone else can help. I must be missing something - anyone providing Rev apps to the French or German markets must have had problems with users having file names with circumflex accents or umlauts. Bernard From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 06:11:48 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:11:48 +1000 Subject: Data grid columns headers Message-ID: Hi All, I have to say that I haven't really taken to the data grid. I recognise that it is an awesome piece of work from Trevor, but to me, it's too difficult to use to be a true Xtalk thing. So I looked at the tutorials in the beginning, but didn't actually implement it, except in a very simple way that was mainly to take advantage of the column sorting. Now I have an app that needs more sophisticated use of the data grid: custom sorting, displaying icons in one columns, differing column alignments etc. I have been working my way through what I need, referring to Trevor's excellent lessons whenever I got lost. So I was able to implement a custom sort and I have a variable image displayed in one column (although I am having transparency issues). My real problem came when I had a column with an image. The column header was "Type" but the column data (one of a set of images) was only 20 pixels across, so I wanted to reduce the header width to allow the column to reduce to the minimum of 20 pixels. I naively thought that setting the column header to empty would work, but this was a BIG MISTAKE! DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!!!! This results in an un-editable column and every click throws a data grid error. Now I have to go back to an archive copy - thankfully I use tRev which archives regularly, but I know I have quite a bit of scripting that will not be in the archives, so I will have to re-create that. So, Trevor: it would be better not to allow an empty column header if this is going to cause irretrievable errors. And to everyone else: don't set data gird column headers to empty. Cheers, Sarah From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 21 06:56:52 2010 From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:56:52 +0100 Subject: Data grid columns headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7A862B-B984-450A-8488-A61FA236F7CF@wanadoo.fr> Hello, Already reported as bug #8030 on 2009-05-03. Seems it's still there... Best regards, ?rIC Miclo Le 21 f?vr. 2010 ? 12:11, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : > > Hi All, > > I have to say that I haven't really taken to the data grid. I > recognise that it is an awesome piece of work from Trevor, but to me, > it's too difficult to use to be a true Xtalk thing. So I looked at the > tutorials in the beginning, but didn't actually implement it, except > in a very simple way that was mainly to take advantage of the column > sorting. > > Now I have an app that needs more sophisticated use of the data grid: > custom sorting, displaying icons in one columns, differing column > alignments etc. > I have been working my way through what I need, referring to Trevor's > excellent lessons whenever I got lost. So I was able to implement a > custom sort and I have a variable image displayed in one column > (although I am having transparency issues). > > My real problem came when I had a column with an image. The column > header was "Type" but the column data (one of a set of images) was > only 20 pixels across, so I wanted to reduce the header width to allow > the column to reduce to the minimum of 20 pixels. I naively thought > that setting the column header to empty would work, but this was a BIG > MISTAKE! DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!!!! > This results in an un-editable column and every click throws a data grid error. > > Now I have to go back to an archive copy - thankfully I use tRev which > archives regularly, but I know I have quite a bit of scripting that > will not be in the archives, so I will have to re-create that. > > So, Trevor: it would be better not to allow an empty column header if > this is going to cause irretrievable errors. > And to everyone else: don't set data gird column headers to empty. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sun Feb 21 08:05:07 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:05:07 -0500 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names Message-ID: When adding some features in to my Mac external to handle file paths, I had to use older non-unicode system calls so Rev could handle the file paths.. Hopefully Rev updates these routines to use the unicode system calls (on Mac and Windows, not certain about Linux).. From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sun Feb 21 08:07:42 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:07:42 -0500 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev Message-ID: With revMobile for iPhone, does this mean that work has been started on the engine/interface to use cocoa/objective-c ? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 08:52:34 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:52:34 +0200 Subject: Fonts and Ubuntu Message-ID: <4B813AA2.6000508@gmail.com> Just clearing out my 'sent' box . . . . . . -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fonts and Ubuntu Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:46:48 +0200 From: Richmond Mathewson To: How to use Revolution So there I am, merrily playing around with a Linux standalone of my Devawriter and find I am quite unable to install the necessary font in: /etc/fonts as am not ROOT this may prove a problem for others as well . . . From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 09:07:55 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:07:55 +0200 Subject: Linux, Fonts, endless nagging . . . Message-ID: <4B813E3B.4050706@gmail.com> RIGHT! Feeling suitably belligerent . . . [Pentium 4, pots of RAM, Ubuntu 8.04.4, mixed GNU/KDE] Installed my specialist font in /usr/share/fonts and /home/username/.fonts/ and mucked around with the terminal: sudo fc-cache -f -v (which is really going to turn on end-users like nobody's business) and, Hey-Presto; RunRev DID NOT SEE the new font. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Special coded message to RunRev: Richmond is going for this one like a pitbull - and, unlike a pitbull, pushing a finger up my bottom won't make me let go . . . :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- From kee at kagi.com Sun Feb 21 11:09:42 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:09:42 -0800 Subject: RunRev to Sybase In-Reply-To: References: <774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net> <7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be> <4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7E941D93-3272-4B37-A4D6-F1EDB4607A65@kagi.com> Does anyone on this list have RunRev talk to Sybase? I've got a bug open that seems to be a very low priority (and it probably something simple to fix since it causes an instant runaway condition in runrev) and I really need to move forward with some projects that need Sybase connectivity. http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 If you have code talking to Sybase, please contact me offline. Perhaps I can duplicate your setup and get something working? Thanks, Kee Nethery kee at kagi.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Feb 21 11:29:33 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:29:33 +0100 Subject: RunRev to Sybase In-Reply-To: <7E941D93-3272-4B37-A4D6-F1EDB4607A65@kagi.com> References: <774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net> <7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be> <4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com> <7E941D93-3272-4B37-A4D6-F1EDB4607A65@kagi.com> Message-ID: Kee, You could do this through PHP. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 21 feb 2010, om 17:09 heeft Kee Nethery het volgende geschreven: > Does anyone on this list have RunRev talk to Sybase? > > I've got a bug open that seems to be a very low priority (and it > probably something simple to fix since it causes an instant runaway > condition in runrev) and I really need to move forward with some > projects that need Sybase connectivity. > > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 > > If you have code talking to Sybase, please contact me offline. > Perhaps I can duplicate your setup and get something working? From psahores at free.fr Sun Feb 21 11:50:35 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:50:35 +0100 Subject: RunRev to Sybase In-Reply-To: References: <774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net> <7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be> <4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com> <7E941D93-3272-4B37-A4D6-F1EDB4607A65@kagi.com> Message-ID: <3E28B59C-BF05-4758-9AA3-606755A483CB@free.fr> As Mark point it on, PHP can be your friend there... I did that before for Oracle 9i and 10g and a Rev <=> PHP <=> Sybase will work for sure too. Best, P. Le 21 f?vr. 10 ? 17:29, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Kee, > > You could do this through PHP. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. > > Op 21 feb 2010, om 17:09 heeft Kee Nethery het volgende geschreven: > >> Does anyone on this list have RunRev talk to Sybase? >> >> I've got a bug open that seems to be a very low priority (and it >> probably something simple to fix since it causes an instant runaway >> condition in runrev) and I really need to move forward with some >> projects that need Sybase connectivity. >> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 >> >> If you have code talking to Sybase, please contact me offline. >> Perhaps I can duplicate your setup and get something working? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sun Feb 21 12:11:46 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:11:46 -0800 Subject: Entering Time of Day In-Reply-To: <20100221111152.8459D28823B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100221111152.8459D28823B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jeff. I am interfacing with iCal by creating .ics files that can be imported into iCal, but I use a lot of data fields that aren't available in iCal so don;t think I could use it as my main data storage vehicle. I am looking at using the Mac address book though since it seems to fit my needs pretty nicely, just have to learn Applescript to develop some sort of interface I guess. Pete Haworth On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:11 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:39:09 -0600 > From: Jeffrey Massung > Subject: Re: How to enter a time of day > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: <7AC4E700-4F9F-4D40-B718-8E1752A9FE77 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Pete, > > If your app runs exclusively on the Mac you may want to just look at > integrating iCal into it with AppleScript and handle it that way... > > When your app launches or whenever is appropriate, let the user > select a calendar file that's exclusive to your app. The user could > open it in iCal to adjust things or open it through your app. You > could likely then use AppleScript to get various date/times from it > to do your tasks. > > I don't use iCal (much) and have never looked to see what > functionality is provided for it through AppleScript. But you may > end getting a very win-win out of this: let the user thing > "awesome!" because it "just works" with iCal and let's you relax and > let iCal do most of the heavy lifting in this department. :-) > > Jeff M. From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sun Feb 21 12:19:23 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:19:23 -0800 Subject: Menubar problem In-Reply-To: <20100221111152.8459D28823B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100221111152.8459D28823B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions. The detsroystack property was already false. I tried the other suggestion but no joy. It does cause the window to start displaying from it's original size again but when I next open Rev, the same few pixels have been added to the window height. I guess I was hoping someone may have come across this but sound like not so I should probably go ahead and make a support call. Pete Haworth On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:11 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > t sounds like the shrinking stack phenomenon, which is a long-standing > bug, only yours is in reverse. If it's the same bug, then check to see > if the destroystack property of your stack is set to true. If so, turn > that off. In the case of shrinking stacks, that's the culprit. There's > an ancient bug report about it, and last I asked, it was going to be > fixed. > > If that isn't the problem then try setting the menubar of the stack to > empty (which will pop the menus back to the top of the stack window,) > size the stack the way you want it, save the stack, then set the > menubar > property again and resave. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From kee at kagi.com Sun Feb 21 13:43:31 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:43:31 -0800 Subject: RunRev to Sybase In-Reply-To: <3E28B59C-BF05-4758-9AA3-606755A483CB@free.fr> References: <774AD91B-C0A3-4D59-A7A1-3F0462E81722@laposte.net> <7350EE05-D932-4D4F-9452-1D02C846F562@skynet.be> <4B48BB37.1050605@hyperactivesw.com> <7E941D93-3272-4B37-A4D6-F1EDB4607A65@kagi.com> <3E28B59C-BF05-4758-9AA3-606755A483CB@free.fr> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll give that a look. Kee On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > As Mark point it on, PHP can be your friend there... I did that before for Oracle 9i and 10g and a Rev <=> PHP <=> Sybase will work for sure too. > > Best, > > P. > > Le 21 f?vr. 10 ? 17:29, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > >> Kee, >> >> You could do this through PHP. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> >> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun Feb 21 13:51:40 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:51:40 -0600 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excellent question. On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Shao Sean wrote: > With revMobile for iPhone, does this mean that work has been started > on the engine/interface to use cocoa/objective-c ? From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 21 13:57:53 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:57:53 -0500 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD10154-E66B-4645-94C4-18C06837FD24@verizon.net> On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Excellent question. In the case of Flash, the code is compiled straight to ARM, it doesn't need to go via Objective-C. Rev could do that too. From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun Feb 21 14:34:14 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:34:14 -0800 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly Message-ID: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> I'm working on a simple game of concentration for the kids I teach. I have 24 small image rectangles grouped on a card that are populated in a repeat loop which sets their fileNames to line x of a list of filenames held in a variable. These files can be large images. lock screen put the seconds into vSecs repeat with x = 1 to 24 set the filename of image x of group "imageGroup" to line x of vPopulate end repeat unlock screen put (the seconds - vSecs) The above takes 5 seconds (which is close to an eternity...) Is there a faster way to make this happen, or should I simply make a progress bar and not worry about it? Thanks Mark From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 14:58:51 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:58:51 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: the saga continue... I think I might be getting close... this works in mac, but not on Windows XP: get the tempName put it & ".txt" into tNamePath put it into tURL put "binfile:/" before tURL put the platform & return & ("PUT INTO URL METHOD" && the time) into URL tURL put URL tURL works as intended on Mac nothing but blank in the message box and no file created on Windows. I'm using 4.5.2 on mac and rev 4.0 on windows. I also created a folder in "C:\Documents and Settings\sbarncar\My Documents\Rev Experiments\tests instead of tempname and tried to save there. Nope. Any ideas? This is dumb simple stuff and should just work on both platforms. TEST STACK @ http://barncard.com/putURLtest.rev.zip the stack creates a tempfile and put the contents from that created file into a field for confirmation. thanks ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 20 February 2010 22:12, stephen barncard wrote: > thanks for the tips, Jacque and Mark.... > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > On 20 February 2010 12:45, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> stephen barncard wrote: >> >>> Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are >>> created, >>> and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so >>> perhaps >>> the decryption is messed up. >>> >> >> After you decode the file, try exiting the handler and opening the file >> and seeing if it will play in a different app. That will at least tell you >> if the decoding has gone wrong. It isn't clear what kind of encryption >> you're using but there may be platform differences during decryption. >> >> BTW, the dot before a file name will only hide the file on Mac OS X. On >> Windows it will still be fully visible. >> >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Feb 21 15:48:07 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:48:07 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <81763123859.20100221124807@ahsoftware.net> stephen- Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:58:51 AM, you wrote: > put "binfile:/" before tURL Make that put "binfile:" before tURL -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 21 15:52:18 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:52:18 -0600 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> stephen barncard wrote: > > put "binfile:/" before tURL Ditch the slash: put "binfile:" before tURL -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 15:57:45 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:57:45 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: THis works on mac... does Windows require the loss of that character or does that mean my 'typo' got ignored on Mac? ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 21 February 2010 12:52, J. Landman Gay wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > >> >> put "binfile:/" before tURL >> > > Ditch the slash: > > put "binfile:" before tURL > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Sun Feb 21 16:30:59 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:30:59 -1000 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> stephen barncard wrote: > THis works on mac... does Windows require the loss of that character or > does > that mean my 'typo' got ignored on Mac? I've never seen that slash used for binfile: of file: on any platform. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 16:56:32 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:56:32 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> Message-ID: Well the mac ignores it for some reason. Anyway, that typo was not in the script in question and further tests (without my typo) show that files are being written where I want. So it's something with the player not working. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 21 February 2010 13:30, Jim Bufalini wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > > > THis works on mac... does Windows require the loss of that character or > > does > > that mean my 'typo' got ignored on Mac? > > I've never seen that slash used for binfile: of file: on any platform. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sun Feb 21 17:08:09 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:08:09 +1100 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> On 21/02/2010, at 10:02 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Finally I checked in RQCC. Unfortunately there seem to be relevant > bug reports dating back almost 2 years: On 22/02/2010, at 12:05 AM, Shao Sean wrote: > Hopefully Rev updates these routines to use the unicode system calls (on Mac and Windows, not certain about Linux).. I checked the bugs system, too, and there seem to be quite a few unicode-related reports - some dating back a lot longer than 2 years. It is disappointing to see, to say the least. For a product that is trying to gain marketplace on the web, lack of total support for international writing systems will be a deal-breaker for many people. I'm even more surprised that no one has come up with a cross-platform workaround - external - that can do the job. Does that mean that every application that is made with Revolution is unable to use international characters when saving files to the local system? I was certain I had read somewhere that there were users of Rev in Japan - are they all using standard ASCII English? Dumbfounded, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From jim at visitrieve.com Sun Feb 21 17:13:05 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:13:05 -1000 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cab343$0b598f80$220cae80$@com> stephen barncard wrote: > Well the mac ignores it for some reason. Anyway, that typo was not in > the > script in question and further tests (without my typo) show that files > are > being written where I want. So it's something with the player not > working. I downloaded your test stack and after removing the slash, both of your buttons work on PC. Can you post a test stack which includes whatever is not working/playing on PC? Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 17:14:40 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:14:40 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <000c01cab343$0b598f80$220cae80$@com> References: <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> <000c01cab343$0b598f80$220cae80$@com> Message-ID: on it now ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 21 February 2010 14:13, Jim Bufalini wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > > > Well the mac ignores it for some reason. Anyway, that typo was not in > > the > > script in question and further tests (without my typo) show that files > > are > > being written where I want. So it's something with the player not > > working. > > I downloaded your test stack and after removing the slash, both of your > buttons work on PC. Can you post a test stack which includes whatever is not > working/playing on PC? > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > From jim at visitrieve.com Sun Feb 21 17:36:25 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:36:25 -1000 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > I checked the bugs system, too, and there seem to be quite a few > unicode-related reports - some dating back a lot longer than 2 years. > It is disappointing to see, to say the least. For a product that is > trying to gain marketplace on the web, lack of total support for > international writing systems will be a deal-breaker for many people. > > I'm even more surprised that no one has come up with a cross-platform > workaround - external - that can do the job. Does that mean that every > application that is made with Revolution is unable to use international > characters when saving files to the local system? I was certain I had > read somewhere that there were users of Rev in Japan - are they all > using standard ASCII English? > > Dumbfounded, I "believe" RunRev is very aware of the Unicode issues and is actively working to resolve all of them "soon." Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From index at kenjikojima.com Sun Feb 21 17:53:32 2010 From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:53:32 -0500 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> Message-ID: On Feb 21, 2010, at 05:36 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > > I "believe" RunRev is very aware of the Unicode issues and is actively > working to resolve all of them "soon." > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > I had heard "soon" since Rev was V2. I have to buy a new English dictionary. -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/ From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sun Feb 21 17:54:14 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:54:14 +1100 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> Message-ID: <5DA8B410-4ECD-4F0D-8D66-23FDB8F78BBB@pixelmedia.com.au> Dear Jim, Thank you for the reassurance: On 22/02/2010, at 9:36 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > I "believe" RunRev is very aware of the Unicode issues and is actively > working to resolve all of them "soon." Revolution is a fantastic platform for cross-platform development, and I hope this core issue might be addressed soon. As international text is used throughout all apps I work on, this would simply create far too many issues - from interface design, database storage, to file manipulation. This is the kind of 'missing core feature' that makes people change frameworks - and that is a great shame, because Rev does have so much to offer in other areas. I hear that a new version (4.5) is in the works. If this does not break any confidentiality agreements, can a beta tester tell us perhaps if any unicode issues are being addressed in this new version? Many thanks in advance, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From bvg at mac.com Sun Feb 21 18:09:00 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:09:00 +0100 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7EFD2C.6080004@hyperactivesw.com> <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> Message-ID: A slash at the start of a url means "root folder". So when your data is directly in "macintosh hd", or when you give it a full path after the slash, then it will work. On 21 Feb 2010, at 22:56, stephen barncard wrote: > Well the mac ignores it for some reason. Anyway, that typo was not in the > script in question and further tests (without my typo) show that files are > being written where I want. So it's something with the player not working. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 18:13:03 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:13:03 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> Message-ID: it was a typo ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/2/21 Bj?rnke von Gierke > A slash at the start of a url means "root folder". So when your data is > directly in "macintosh hd", or when you give it a full path after the slash, > then it will work. > > On 21 Feb 2010, at 22:56, stephen barncard wrote: > > > Well the mac ignores it for some reason. Anyway, that typo was not in the > > script in question and further tests (without my typo) show that files > are > > being written where I want. So it's something with the player not > working. > > > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 21 18:50:51 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:50:51 -0600 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: <5DA8B410-4ECD-4F0D-8D66-23FDB8F78BBB@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> <5DA8B410-4ECD-4F0D-8D66-23FDB8F78BBB@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <4B81C6DB.4060606@hyperactivesw.com> Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > I hear that a new version (4.5) is in the works. If this does not > break any confidentiality agreements, can a beta tester tell us > perhaps if any unicode issues are being addressed in this new > version? The road plan is confidential so we can't really say here. But rest assurred that unicode is a big part of future development. RR knows they need it to be internationally accepted. And I believe Mark Waddingham has now finished reading the 6000 pages of the unicode specs. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 21 18:59:51 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:59:51 -0600 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly In-Reply-To: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> References: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <4B81C8F7.8050200@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm working on a simple game of concentration for the kids I teach. > > > I have 24 small image rectangles grouped on a card that are populated > in a repeat loop which sets their fileNames to line x of a list of > filenames held in a variable. These files can be large images. > > lock screen > put the seconds into vSecs > repeat with x = 1 to 24 > set the filename of image x of group "imageGroup" to line x of vPopulate > end repeat > unlock screen > put (the seconds - vSecs) > > The above takes 5 seconds (which is close to an eternity...) > > Is there a faster way to make this happen, or should I simply make a > progress bar and not worry about it? Just off the top of my head, try locking messages too. Or hide the images, set the filenames, and reshow them. Haven't actually tested any of that though. Even better would be to store smaller images if you can. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 21 19:02:20 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:02:20 -0600 Subject: Menubar problem In-Reply-To: References: <20100221111152.8459D28823B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B81C98C.7040509@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions. The detsroystack property was already > false. I tried the other suggestion but no joy. It does cause the > window to start displaying from it's original size again but when I next > open Rev, the same few pixels have been added to the window height. > > I guess I was hoping someone may have come across this but sound like > not so I should probably go ahead and make a support call. You'll just get me. :) I've never heard of this happening before. Do you have any scripts that deal with stack resizing? If so, try commenting them out and see if that helps. Since there aren't any other reports of this that I know of, I'm thinking it is script-related. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 19:14:30 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:14:30 -0600 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: <4B81C6DB.4060606@hyperactivesw.com> References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> <5DA8B410-4ECD-4F0D-8D66-23FDB8F78BBB@pixelmedia.com.au> <4B81C6DB.4060606@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Feb 21, 2010, at 5:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > >> I hear that a new version (4.5) is in the works. If this does not >> break any confidentiality agreements, can a beta tester tell us >> perhaps if any unicode issues are being addressed in this new >> version? > > The road plan is confidential so we can't really say here. But rest assurred that unicode is a big part of future development. RR knows they need it to be internationally accepted. And I believe Mark Waddingham has now finished reading the 6000 pages of the unicode specs. :) While the road plan may be confidential, after my evaluation period was up and I was considering a purchase, I emailed RR with a list of my concerns and asked what was in the pipe to address them. They were quite prompt with a reply. I learned that some of my problems/concerns were already handled (the reply even had sample code to give examples), some were being actively addressed - and I was told how - and some were just given lip-service so likely weren't on the road map. I'd take some time, email RR, tell them your business, why certain features may be important to you, and ask them to be frank about where those features are on their roadmap (if they are at all). I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the professionalism in the response you get. My 2 cents. Jeff M. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 19:18:58 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:18:58 +1000 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly In-Reply-To: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> References: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm working on a simple game of concentration for the kids I teach. > > I have 24 small image rectangles grouped on a card that are populated in a repeat loop which sets their fileNames to line x of a list of filenames held in a variable. ?These files can be large images. How about shrinking the images the first time they are loaded, if they are bigger than the image rectangles? This would make the first run take longer, but you could show a progress indicator: "Importing picture x of y...". Subsequent runs would be much faster if the images were smaller. Cheers, Sarah From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 19:41:09 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:41:09 -0600 Subject: Data Grid brain fart Message-ID: <80A17968-D8E6-4973-BA4B-74750E47F853@gmail.com> Sorry, but I'm not seeing this in the documentation. I'm adding a row to a DG form, and after I add it, I'd like to get the dgDataControl of the row I just added so I can send a couple messages to it. Is this doable? Jeff M. From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun Feb 21 20:00:39 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:00:39 -0800 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly In-Reply-To: References: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1E766266-666A-4FDE-B00B-4C3EEE3433DF@cruzio.com> Yes, using smaller images definitely reduces the display time... a batch of smaller gif/jpg line drawings only takes 1.5 seconds to display, but the idea is that the user can choose any image folder off their HD to create a custom, high-interest game (family members, friends, animals being studied (marsupials at present, mate). If I include image libraries, I'll definitely batch shrink them to thumbnail size. Jacqueline's suggestion of locking messages or hiding the images didn't yield much if any difference. Here's another question: If you lock the screen how do you update a progress bar? I'm assuming you unlock it a time or two along the way, but with the screen unlocked load times are much longer. Still, having the progress bar psychologically shortens the time, even if it is longer. Light at the end of a tunnel is a consoling thing. Thanks, Mark On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: >> I'm working on a simple game of concentration for the kids I teach. >> >> I have 24 small image rectangles grouped on a card that are populated in a repeat loop which sets their fileNames to line x of a list of filenames held in a variable. These files can be large images. > > > How about shrinking the images the first time they are loaded, if they > are bigger than the image rectangles? > This would make the first run take longer, but you could show a > progress indicator: "Importing picture x of y...". > Subsequent runs would be much faster if the images were smaller. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sun Feb 21 20:07:10 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:07:10 -0500 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev Message-ID: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> > In the case of Flash, the code is compiled straight to ARM, it > doesn't need to go via Objective-C. Rev could do that too. That is true, but I cannot see Rev splitting the engine up like that and it would make sense for them to use the revMobile platform as a starting point for bringing the desktop engine up to date, would be nice to hear from RunRev about this (someone emailed me off-list saying I should be asking on the improve-list, but I think this is something everyone who uses Rev should know, heck I know about REAL Software's Cocoa transition and I have never bought their software).. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun Feb 21 20:34:05 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:34:05 -0600 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> References: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> Message-ID: <6D33FC5C-7C10-46DE-95ED-4FAFFB6494FF@me.com> Am I missing something here? Doesn't Apple need to review the code to let it into the App Store? Don't they review the Objective-C code? Jerry On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Shao Sean wrote: >> In the case of Flash, the code is compiled straight to ARM, it >> doesn't need to go via Objective-C. Rev could do that too. > > That is true, but I cannot see Rev splitting the engine up like that > and it would make sense for them to use the revMobile platform as a > starting point for bringing the desktop engine up to date, would be > nice to hear from RunRev about this (someone emailed me off-list > saying I should be asking on the improve-list, but I think this is > something everyone who uses Rev should know, heck I know about REAL > Software's Cocoa transition and I have never bought their software).. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 21 20:49:32 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:49:32 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: Recently, Peter Haworth wrote: > I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and > I'm trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to > ensure that the time is in the correct format. > > What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would > increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was > hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only > seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to > figure out how to deal with time-based numbers. > > Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? This was a good interface challenge... Instead of using a standard slider, I think a dual slider would be a good solution (but this might depend on the actual time constraints of your "day"). Can't do this kind of thing with a stock slider however (you'd need two separate sliders). It also occurred to me that mini-calendars are the current de-facto standard for entering dates in forms, so how about a clock face for time entry? I posted an example online that shows both time entry options (don't ask me to explain the math). Execute the following in your Rev message box: go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/timesettings.rev" Each set of controls relies on the behavior script that is present on the right side of the stack. Maybe one of these could work. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 21 20:49:23 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:49:23 -0500 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: <6D33FC5C-7C10-46DE-95ED-4FAFFB6494FF@me.com> References: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> <6D33FC5C-7C10-46DE-95ED-4FAFFB6494FF@me.com> Message-ID: <59D7C56D-6C4A-4F8A-8A04-AE0D94E4BC73@verizon.net> On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Am I missing something here? Doesn't Apple need to review the code to let it into the App Store? Don't they review the Objective-C code? They check to see that you're not calling some forbidden internal system routines, but the apps are compiled code, I don't think it matters what the higher level language was that got compiled into that code. From index at kenjikojima.com Sun Feb 21 20:55:23 2010 From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:55:23 -0500 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names In-Reply-To: References: <94D0DD78-6033-4FAA-9C51-B604287AFB07@pixelmedia.com.au> <93D47F7D-1006-4344-BE5B-B1BF63E4C01D@pixelmedia.com.au> <000d01cab346$4d878490$e8968db0$@com> Message-ID: <7D6360B2-3FFC-4E4D-9F60-FF15FB8B4CDF@kenjikojima.com> I've been waiting only three Unicode bugs fixing for long long long while. 1) Unicode file name 2) Unicode file path. 3) Unicode menu. After fixing them we can make a true Japanese application. -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/ From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sun Feb 21 21:04:50 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:04:50 -0500 Subject: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names Message-ID: <3C42FD45-0044-4935-B594-5F094FF61AAC@wehostmacs.com> I can look into an external work-around while we await Rev to fix this at the engine level if anyone is brave enough to do some testing.. (email me off-list) From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 21:45:12 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:45:12 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: This is absolutely brilliant. What a gift. I'm speaking of both your gift, and the gift to us. Thanks ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 21 February 2010 17:49, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and > > I'm trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to > > ensure that the time is in the correct format. > > > > What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would > > increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was > > hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only > > seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to > > figure out how to deal with time-based numbers. > > > > Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? > > This was a good interface challenge... > > Instead of using a standard slider, I think a dual slider would be a good > solution (but this might depend on the actual time constraints of your > "day"). Can't do this kind of thing with a stock slider however (you'd > need > two separate sliders). > > It also occurred to me that mini-calendars are the current de-facto > standard > for entering dates in forms, so how about a clock face for time entry? > > I posted an example online that shows both time entry options (don't ask me > to explain the math). Execute the following in your Rev message box: > > go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/timesettings.rev" > > Each set of controls relies on the behavior script that is present on the > right side of the stack. > > Maybe one of these could work. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 21 21:48:23 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:48:23 -0800 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: <59D7C56D-6C4A-4F8A-8A04-AE0D94E4BC73@verizon.net> References: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> <6D33FC5C-7C10-46DE-95ED-4FAFFB6494FF@me.com> <59D7C56D-6C4A-4F8A-8A04-AE0D94E4BC73@verizon.net> Message-ID: I believe the Apple SDK will still be needed (which is free). But what one needs to actually build and submit shouldn't cost more than the $100 developer fee. sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 21 February 2010 17:49, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > > > Am I missing something here? Doesn't Apple need to review the code to let > it into the App Store? Don't they review the Objective-C code? > > > They check to see that you're not calling some forbidden internal system > routines, but the apps are compiled code, I don't think it matters what the > higher level language was that got compiled into that > code._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun Feb 21 22:01:33 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:01:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <318624.79736.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Just replace Javascript/HTML with Transcript: http://phonegap.com/ From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 22:01:57 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:01:57 -0600 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: References: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> <6D33FC5C-7C10-46DE-95ED-4FAFFB6494FF@me.com> <59D7C56D-6C4A-4F8A-8A04-AE0D94E4BC73@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3A271EE9-EEBB-4497-B6E8-88E3F3CF5F09@gmail.com> I don't know about all 3rd party app tools for the iPhone/iPod, but the two I know and have used don't actually compile directly to the iPod. Instead, they create a iPhone Cocoa project (literally, at compile time), generate the Obj-C source code from your project, and then launch GCC to compile it, linking against their custom frameworks. It still requires the end-user to pay the $100 developer fee in order to test their app on actual hardware or distribute it. As for Apple reviewing the code, they do not. They can hook up hardware and see all the system calls being made, however, and there are certain things that your app is not allowed to do (which may be troublesome for a few Rev users). Namely, you aren't allowed to execute scripted or generated code. So, you couldn't - as an example - link Perl into your iPhone app and then run Perl scripts from within your app. For Rev, it might mean RevMobile wouldn't be allowed to use the "DO" command on the iPhone (and there's probably other similar commands that might have a hard time getting past Apple). Things may have changed, but these were my experiences a year ago. Jeff M. On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > I believe the Apple SDK will still be needed (which is free). But what one > needs to actually build and submit shouldn't cost more than the $100 > developer fee. > > sqb > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 22:08:31 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:08:31 -0600 Subject: Destroying cloned stacks Message-ID: <548229A0-74BC-44E8-91E9-859FC92AA1D7@gmail.com> I assume this is a pretty simple problem, but it just caused me to lose a good 3 hours of work (teach me to not backup!)... I have an app that is similar to a multi-document app. User says File -> Open and a clone of the document stack opens up. The user does some stuff and then closes it. Many documents may be open at once. My code generally goes like so (which may be wrong as I just lost 3 hrs and am typing this before trying again).. Main Stack: on newDocument clone stack "Document" ## setup document stack here... go to it end newDocument Document stack: on closeStack destroy this stack end closeStack Now, the reason for the destroyStack is that I don't want the Application Browser (or my app when I save it) to be bombarded with clone after clone of my document stack. But, as things are what they are, I closed the _actual_ document stack and BAM, lots of work gone. So, my questions: 1. Am I going about creating a document stack the right way? 2. How can I nuke clones and not the primary document stack? Thanks! Jeff M. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 21 22:22:59 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:22:59 -0600 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly In-Reply-To: <1E766266-666A-4FDE-B00B-4C3EEE3433DF@cruzio.com> References: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> <1E766266-666A-4FDE-B00B-4C3EEE3433DF@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <4B81F893.1090406@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Swindell wrote: > Yes, using smaller images definitely reduces the display time... a > batch of smaller gif/jpg line drawings only takes 1.5 seconds to > display, but the idea is that the user can choose any image folder > off their HD to create a custom, high-interest game (family members, > friends, animals being studied (marsupials at present, mate). I had a similar issue in a client project, only we wanted to save disk space instead of load time. We ended up copying the user's image to a folder in Application Data (you could use the temp folder instead) and resizing it for display. The resizing and disk write is very fast and it reduces multi-meg camera images to a few hundred K. If you aren't going to re-use the images then this probably won't work -- you may as well use the time just to show the image -- but if you need to load them again later, resizing helps. Here's what I'm using: on reduceImgSize pFileName,pDestPath,pWidth,pHeight -- reduce disk footprint; scale & compress. -- first param is orig img file; second is destination file path, followed by target dimensions if pWidth = "" then put 640 into pWidth if pHeight = "" then put 480 into pHeight set the cursor to watch create img "temp" set the width of img "temp" to pWidth set the height of img "temp" to pHeight set the lockloc of img "temp" to true set the filename of img "temp" to pFileName if the formattedWidth of img "temp" > pWidth then get scaleToFit(the name of img "temp",the rect of img "temp") set the imageData of img "temp" to the imageData of img "temp" set the JPEGQuality to 80 export img "temp" to file pDestPath as jpeg else -- img is small enough put URL ("binfile:"&pFileName) into URL ("binfile:"&pDestPath) end if delete img "temp" end reduceImgSize function scaleToFit pImg,pRect -- scale an image to fit a rectangle -- params: the image long name, the target rect put the formattedHeight of pImg into tFHt put the formattedWidth of pImg into tFWd put item 3 of pRect - item 1 of pRect into tTargetWd put item 4 of pRect - item 2 of pRect into tTargetHt put false into tWasScaled -- init if "image" is in pImg then set the rect of pImg to pRect -- to init put the loc of pImg into tLoc set the width of pImg to tFWd set the height of pImg to tFHt if tTargetHt < tFHt or tTargetWd < tFWd then put min(tTargetHt/tFHt, tTargetWd/tFWd) into theRatio set the height of pImg to tFHt*theRatio set the width of pImg to tFWd*theRatio put true into tWasScaled end if set the loc of pImg to tLoc return tWasScaled end scaleToFit -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 21 22:34:24 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Q] cocoa/objective-c based rev In-Reply-To: References: <6D29A160-4192-42A3-9332-0CA3C58ADEF0@wehostmacs.com> <6D33FC5C-7C10-46DE-95ED-4FAFFB6494FF@me.com> <59D7C56D-6C4A-4F8A-8A04-AE0D94E4BC73@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:48 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >I believe the Apple SDK will still be needed (which is free). It may not be needed. Unity does use it, an Xcode project is made, and you have to build the app to the phone yourself, but with GameSalad your GameSalad project gets converted directly to an App, using server side code. If Rev worked that way, you wouldn't need to install the iPhone SDK at all, but you would still need to have paid the $99 per year iPhone dev license, in order to get the certificate and provisioning files. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Feb 21 22:43:22 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:43:22 -0800 Subject: Destroying cloned stacks In-Reply-To: <548229A0-74BC-44E8-91E9-859FC92AA1D7@gmail.com> References: <548229A0-74BC-44E8-91E9-859FC92AA1D7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6788038546.20100221194322@ahsoftware.net> Jeffrey- Sunday, February 21, 2010, 7:08:31 PM, you wrote: > on closeStack > destroy this stack > end closeStack Yikes! Destroy isn't a keyword, so I'm hoping that's a typo, or the result of agitation after having lost some work. That said, have you set the destroyStack of the cloned stacks after you create them? That way when you close them they should be purged from memory. And you might try something like on closeStack if the short name of this stack is "dontDeleteMe" then if the commandKey is not down then exit closeStack end if end if end closeStack -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 21 23:11:10 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:11:10 -0600 Subject: Destroying cloned stacks In-Reply-To: <548229A0-74BC-44E8-91E9-859FC92AA1D7@gmail.com> References: <548229A0-74BC-44E8-91E9-859FC92AA1D7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8203DE.6080700@hyperactivesw.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Main Stack: > > on newDocument > clone stack "Document" > > ## setup document stack here... > > go to it > end newDocument > > > Document stack: > > on closeStack > destroy this stack > end closeStack I didn't even know that syntax worked. Apparently it works pretty well. Too well. Anyway, what it looks like you've hit is the defaultstack issue. If your main stack happens to be the defaultstack when the handler runs, "this" stack is going to refer to your mainstack. > So, my questions: > > 1. Am I going about creating a document stack the right way? Yes. Though I usually set up all the common properties, like destroystack, in the template before I save it into the main stackfile; that way I don't have to worry about it, all clones will have those properties. If you do that, all you'd have to do is trap closeStackRequest for any cleanup work when the user clicks the close box. The stack would not stay in RAM when allowed to close. > 2. How can I nuke clones and not the primary document stack? I sometimes name my clones with an identifying tag, like "clone 1", "clone 2", etc. and then set the stack's label (also called "title") to whatever the user should see as the window title. It makes testing for the right stack easier. The IDE uses this a lot to force commands to act on the right stack: set the defaultstack to the topstack Which will only work in this case if your clones really are the top stack. Or you can test for a custom name tag to see if you're in the right place: if the short name of this stack contains "clone" then... Or test the inverse: if the short name of this stack is not "myMainstack" then... Perhaps easiest, if your closestack handler is in the stack script, then the term "me" will refer to that stack. So in your clones, you could also say close me Or: set the destroystack of me to true close me In no case would "me" ever be your main stack, because "me" is the object containing the running handler. Using "me" can sometimes be the simplest solution, provided it's feasible to put your handler in the stack script. Sometimes that can cause interference in other ways, but we won't go there today. You've been through enough. BTW, there is an auto-save utility in Rev's plugins menu. Just tell it how often to save, and leave it open. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 03:00:09 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:00:09 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> Message-ID: SUCCESS. Found it. *Thank you Jacque, Jim, Mark, **Bj?rnke, Peter* for all your suggestions and I tried them all. here's the "fix" put the tempname & ".mp3" into tPath It wasn't really my code, exactly.... er... it was more of a Win-Mac assumption about MP3 files. My client wanted major obfuscation of the funny business we're doing with the decryption and playing - and wanted to not only have a temp type file name, but no suffix. It worked in mac. But Windows media player really wants to see that suffix. What I really wanted to do in the first place was to play an mp3 file from a variable, not even make a file -- but no way to do that in Rev - without an external ...? is there? sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 03:03:09 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Linux, Fonts, endless nagging . . . In-Reply-To: <4B813E3B.4050706@gmail.com> References: <4B813E3B.4050706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266825789260-1564116.post@n4.nabble.com> Now this definitely falls in the category of, which is better? To know it and not to need to know it? Or to need to know it, and not know it? Richmond is to be thanked for a gem, which if we ever need to know it, we can be sure we need to know it very badly indeed! Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote: > > unlike a pitbull, pushing a finger up my bottom won't make me let go . . . > :) > > -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Linux-Fonts-endless-nagging-tp1563500p1564116.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Feb 22 03:33:16 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:33:16 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, stephen barncard wrote: > This is absolutely brilliant. What a gift. I'm speaking of both your gift, > and the gift to us. Thanks -- hope the stack is useful for folks. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 04:16:34 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:16:34 +0000 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem Message-ID: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Here is a concrete example. I don't understand how Rev can be handling fonts in such a way that this happens. We open Rev, create a new stack, a new button, and then set the fonts. The choices available in the 'i' category are these: itwasntme itc avantgarde itc bookman itc zapf chancery Now we open OpenOffice and choose a font in a word document, and are offered, in the 'i' category, these choices: idautomation3of9 iscopeur iscocteur itwasntme italian garamond So how exactly is Rev getting its fonts? And why does it appear to get a bunch that OpenOffice is not getting? And why does it fail to get the idautomation? Just to verify, I tried Kwrite. This gets the same fonts as OpenOffice, with an additional one, impact. Very strange. Peter From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 04:40:03 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:40:03 +0200 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B8250F3.7060107@gmail.com> On 22/02/2010 11:16, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Here is a concrete example. I don't understand how Rev can be handling > fonts in such a way that this happens. > > We open Rev, create a new stack, a new button, and then set the fonts. The > choices available in the 'i' category are these: > > itwasntme > itc avantgarde > itc bookman > itc zapf chancery > > > Now we open OpenOffice and choose a font in a word document, and are > offered, in the 'i' category, these choices: > > idautomation3of9 > iscopeur > iscocteur > itwasntme > italian garamond > > So how exactly is Rev getting its fonts? And why does it appear to get a > bunch that OpenOffice is not getting? And why does it fail to get the > idautomation? Just to verify, I tried Kwrite. This gets the same fonts as > OpenOffice, with an additional one, impact. > Frankly, it looks as if the situation with fonts on Linux is in need of some connsiderable sorting out - after all, it is not JUST RunRev that is having trouble finding all the fonts. > Very strange. > > Indeed. Now I knocked together a silly little stack called "Fontgetter" (an original name too) that contains one scrolling text field "FONTZ" and a button that contains this script: on mouseUp put the fontNames into fld "FONTZ" end mouseUP on my Ubuntu box it listed about 20 fonts which seem to bear little or no resemblance to any other program's font listings. NOW: the same silly stack on both my G4 Mac and my Headless XP box lists all the fonts present: which is lovely and as things should be on Linux. Programmers need to know that, should they be leveraging a particular font that: End-users will be able to install that font easily (i.e. no 'funny' command-line stuff) in a place where the RunRev standalone can 'see' it and use it. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 04:43:54 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: incidentally... In-Reply-To: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1266831834006-1564188.post@n4.nabble.com> Incidentally, for the sake of completeness, I tried with Geany (a standard programmers text editor). Setting the preferences, it offers the same fonts as OpenOffice. I think we would find if it was done in exhaustive detail that all the other applications except Rev see the same fonts. The impact situation with Kwrite is a bit puzzling, but its one odd exception, whereas the difference between Rev and the others is massive and inexplicable. This is on Debian Squeeze by the way, normally Fluxbox, sometimes WMII. Yup, this is bare metal. I don't think it is DTE dependent though. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Here-s-a-concrete-example-of-the-linux-font-problem-tp1564162p1564188.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 04:57:05 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:57:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <4B8250F3.7060107@gmail.com> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <4B8250F3.7060107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266832625971-1564198.post@n4.nabble.com> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote: > > Frankly, it looks as if the situation with fonts on Linux is in need of > some connsiderable sorting out - after all, it is not JUST RunRev that is > having trouble > finding all the fonts. > > Yes, this is true, it is not completely satisfactory. That said however, Rev as the examples show, is doing something very odd. Its interesting that Richmond and I are installing the fonts in different ways, but with the same results. I am not copying into /etc/fonts, but am installing in the case of one-offs by using either the KDE or Gnome font managers. Or in the case of doing a lot at once, I mostly use the antique but convenient spadmin. Whichever, all the other apps but Rev find the installed fonts with no problem. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Here-s-a-concrete-example-of-the-linux-font-problem-tp1564162p1564198.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Feb 22 05:23:31 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:23:31 +0000 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> That makes it looks like Rev is getting the names of the font *files* while OO is getting the *display names* of the fonts, as ITC is the International Typeface Corporation, one of the bigger companies that make fonts. If you see a font like Garamond listed on a computer, it's *probably* ITC Garamond but could be Adobe Garamond, or any one of a whole bunch of other (very slightly different looking) versions of Garamond. Go to a site like identifont or myfonts and you'll be scared by how many variations of a single font turn up when you type in a font name... You'll probably find that ITC Avatgarde is probably listed as Avantgarde by OO etc. The positive side is that the way Rev is handling the fonts is that you know *which* version of the font is being used. The bad side is that anyone who cares which version is being used is probably using font management software on a Mac for DTP so it's irrelevant for Linux, and that Rev is doing things differently than all the other apps on Linux. :-( Ian On 22 Feb 2010, at 09:16, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Here is a concrete example. I don't understand how Rev can be > handling > fonts in such a way that this happens. > > We open Rev, create a new stack, a new button, and then set the > fonts. The > choices available in the 'i' category are these: > > itwasntme > itc avantgarde > itc bookman > itc zapf chancery > > > Now we open OpenOffice and choose a font in a word document, and are > offered, in the 'i' category, these choices: > > idautomation3of9 > iscopeur > iscocteur > itwasntme > italian garamond > > So how exactly is Rev getting its fonts? And why does it appear to > get a > bunch that OpenOffice is not getting? And why does it fail to get the > idautomation? Just to verify, I tried Kwrite. This gets the same > fonts as > OpenOffice, with an additional one, impact. > > Very strange. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Ray at LinkIt.Com Mon Feb 22 08:46:02 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:46:02 -0800 Subject: RevBrowserPrint Message-ID: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> I seem to have discovered several limitations to the RevBrowserPrint command. Firstly, it seems to have no way of cooperating with batch printing. That is, if I open printing, print a batch of cards via a repeat loop, and close printing (expecting to print the whole batch on closing) RevBrowserPrint behaves as if I never opened printing in the first place in that it presents the print dialog and prints the card on each iteration of the repeat loop. The second limitation is I seem to have a choice of either printing the browser image or Revolution fields, but not the combination of both. Any ideas on how to overcome either of these? Thanks, Ray Horsley LinkIt! Software From effendi at wanadoo.fr Mon Feb 22 06:00:13 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:00:13 +0100 Subject: How to enter a time of day Message-ID: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Scott Rossi wrote : > I posted an example online that shows both time entry options (don't > ask me > to explain the math). Execute the following in your Rev message box: > > go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/timesettings.rev" Nice !! That's what I love about this forum. Every day, somebody shows me something that gives me new ideas ...... Thanks Scott ! -Francis From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 06:01:35 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:01:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> Its a nice idea, not sure whether it is correct, its getting more confusing all the time. If we try in OO, we have no avantgarde, and we don't have a simple bookman. Instead we have a bunch of URW bookmans, and also a plain bookman old style. Rev seems to have a plain old avantgarde, and also an avantgarde gothic. Then, in OO again, there is also a URW gothic L. Maybe this is related to the avantgarde gothic? Also, the real thing that makes one dubious, this account doesn't explain why Rev cannot see the idautomation3of9 font. This one I am quite sure of, it is nowhere to be found in the Rev choices, under any variant of its name. Why not? Rev does find the urw bookmans, in addition to the itc bookmans. Or are these maybe the same thing and its finding them twice? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Here-s-a-concrete-example-of-the-linux-font-problem-tp1564162p1564255.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 22 06:05:26 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:05:26 +0100 Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> Ray, Make a snapshot of the browser window and put that on a card. Now print your cards. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Op 22 feb 2010, om 14:46 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven: > I seem to have discovered several limitations to the RevBrowserPrint > command. > > Firstly, it seems to have no way of cooperating with batch > printing. That is, if I open printing, print a batch of cards via a > repeat loop, and close printing (expecting to print the whole batch > on closing) RevBrowserPrint behaves as if I never opened printing in > the first place in that it presents the print dialog and prints the > card on each iteration of the repeat loop. > > The second limitation is I seem to have a choice of either printing > the browser image or Revolution fields, but not the combination of > both. Any ideas on how to overcome either of these? > > Thanks, > > Ray Horsley > LinkIt! Software From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 06:24:44 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:24:44 +0200 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> On 22/02/2010 13:01, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Its a nice idea, not sure whether it is correct, its getting more confusing > all the time. > > If we try in OO, we have no avantgarde, and we don't have a simple bookman. > Instead we have a bunch of URW bookmans, and also a plain bookman old style. > Rev seems to have a plain old avantgarde, and also an avantgarde gothic. > > Then, in OO again, there is also a URW gothic L. Maybe this is related to > the avantgarde gothic? > > Also, the real thing that makes one dubious, this account doesn't explain > why Rev cannot see the idautomation3of9 font. This one I am quite sure of, > it is nowhere to be found in the Rev choices, under any variant of its name. > Why not? > > Rev does find the urw bookmans, in addition to the itc bookmans. Or are > these maybe the same thing and its finding them twice? > > Peter > I put my 'special' font (a TTF) in just about every possible place a font could go in Ubuntu (i.e. cutesified Debian) with drag-n-drop and the KDE font manager and something called Font installer I dug out of the apt-get search thingy; re-set my font cache via command-line and so forth. RunRev did not see the font. So any explanation that tells me that OO sees one set of names for fonts and RunRev sees another doesn't wash. [Peter: the dog's bottom may not have charmed you - but it did work like a charm insofar as it stimulated the first half-decent debate about this problem for ages.] From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 06:37:10 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:37:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266838630723-1564294.post@n4.nabble.com> Richmond, I agree that explanations in terms of the font names doesn't seem plausible. But there is another piece of the puzzle which makes me think it could possibly be Debian (and by extension Ubuntu) related, and that is that on my old Mandriva installation it did not seem to happen even back in the old days of 2.6x when the problem was even more acute. On Mandriva, Rev seemed to be able to find all the fonts. So, is it possible that there is something specific to Debian and derivatives which Rev is interacting badly with? I don't know however that Debian handles fonts any differently, so that is a real puzzle. We could verify by trying it out on Andre's Suse distribution. If it happens there, its going to be Rev and Linux in most of its forms. I'm OK with the dogs bottom - it made me laugh aloud! Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Here-s-a-concrete-example-of-the-linux-font-problem-tp1564162p1564294.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Mon Feb 22 06:42:57 2010 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:42:57 +0100 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... Message-ID: Hello all I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it to display e.g. email adresses. Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. I now noticed that the iPhones address application, automatically reduces the font size to be able to always display the whole address. Very clever ! My Label field does not have a monospaced font I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this behavior. Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? Cheers Rolf From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon Feb 22 06:45:15 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:45:15 +0000 Subject: on standalonesaved Message-ID: <00000B55.4B827C5A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Dear all, i need to process the standalone files after they were created. So i thought i could use 'on standalonesaved pFolder'. But pFolder only contains the target path, which was selected in the standalone build process. I am working under Windows. Under Windows the standalone is not created in that target folder directly. The standalone builder creates an additional folder in this target folder. If i create the standalone multiple times, the name of this automatic created folder is numbered consecutively. Is there any way to process the files in this automatic created folder by script? Regards, Matthias From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 22 06:55:42 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:55:42 +0100 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68370DEA-3B14-4C10-8BE2-25B7938823B9@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ralf, Create another, hidden, stack with a transparent field, slightly smaller than the original field to make it fit inside the original field. Put the e-mail address into that field, set the width to the formattedWidth. Export a snapshot and put the image over the original field, setting the width of the image to slightly less than the with of the original field. Put empty into the original field (or set the textColor to white). Write a script that hides the image and reveals and selects the original text after a mouseDown on the image. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 22 feb 2010, om 12:42 heeft Rolf Kocherhans het volgende geschreven: > Hello all > > I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) > > > I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it > to display e.g. email adresses. > > Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other > times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. > > I now noticed that the iPhones address application, > automatically reduces the font size to be able to always > display the whole address. > > Very clever ! > > My Label field does not have a monospaced font > I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this > behavior. > > > Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? > > > Cheers > Rolf > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Feb 22 06:57:58 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:57:58 +0000 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C908A81-BD78-44D4-A75E-1B6B32977F4F@azurevision.co.uk> Well excuse me for trying to think of a possible reason. ;-) Ian On 22 Feb 2010, at 11:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > So any explanation that tells me that OO sees one set of names for > fonts > and RunRev sees another doesn't wash. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 22 06:58:21 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:58:21 -0200 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D904D.4020506@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002220358u4370e2f4xcff8159badafc034@mail.gmail.com> Congrats Bernard, happiness to you and yours!!!! :-D Now, the important piece, when is the party? Cheers! Andre On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt > wrote: >> I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they >> don't like as being "gay". >> So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a >> teacher who growls at them is "gay". >> >> It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not >> reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual >> connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia. > > Not just limited to Australia, I've heard that usage on South Park for > years. ?I've no idea if South Park was creating or following a trend. > > Clearly we've now lost the use of that charming little word. ?Although > in all truth, I think homos had been feeling 'gay' was a rather 70s > word and was now as unfashionable as flared corduroy trousers. ? (Hang > on, I think they came back in and went out again a few years ago...) > > Anyway, homos have got a variety of other epithets (hostile and/or > clinical) by which they can described. ?Now that the majority of > people describe themselves as 'straight' or 'heterosexual', we are in > a different world from the late 1960s when gay people (along with > black people) started to declare terms they wanted the majority to use > to describe these minorities. ?I still have some old manifestos of the > Gay Liberation Front -- they are hilarious. ?But I think the world I > grew up in was already quite different from the world where those were > written. > > Back then straight people would describe themselves as normal i.e. > they didn't have a term for themselves. ?There's even videos from the > 1980s of people being interviewed on the streets of London, and when > asked "are you heterosexual" they would reply "no, I'm married". > Since then we've had metrosexuals, transexuals ('men giving birth'?), > gay coming to mean 'naff''. ?I doubt there's anyone left in the UK who > doesn't know the difference between heterosexual/homosexual. > > Personally I've always thought queer was suitable for gay people -- > I've always found people who wanted to be normal to be rather creepy. > Being oneself I can understand, but suppressing individuality to go > with the crowd seems to reduce us to sheep. ?Mind you, queer would > then become an inclusive term that meant 'those who resist being > normalized'. ?I'm sure there's more than a few people on this list who > would describe themselves as 'queer'. > > Having married a man recently, I certainly feel less than outr? than > in my youth. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From kevin at stallibrass.com Mon Feb 22 07:06:37 2010 From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:06:37 -0000 Subject: Odd colour effects with mac plug in Message-ID: <002601cab3b7$7cd59680$7680c380$@com> Thanks everyone who took the time to answer my last post below. "I built a revlet which views fine on all my windows boxes and while it viewed Ok on the mac (leopard) I still had the old problem of the dialogue appearing behind safari when the revlet opened a find file dialogue. Wondering if this had been fixed, I downloaded the latest plug in from the mother ship and sure enough, it works! Except that all text in the revlet is now bright blue where it should be black and cyan where it should be red. Interestingly, any plug in dialogues also display blue text. The exception appears to be text within a drop down menu or combo box. This displays fine." Based on the answers and suggestions, I did a bit of testing. This does appear to be an issue seen on PowerPC processors but this never used to be the case. As I mentioned before, the original plug-in had the dialogue box issue (and perhaps others) but the text colour was fine. The dialogue has been fixed but the font colour has changed. It's not only the revlet that shows the issue, any plug in dialogue also has the problem so there's nothing I can do to the revlet to change this. Not complaining, these things happen and I'm sure this issue will be resolved at some point but, and this is my question, how will I know? Where do I go to find what's been fixed and when new releases have been made? regards Kevin Stallibrass From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 22 07:21:39 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:21:39 -1000 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: References: <4B804A04.3070304@hyperactivesw.com> <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> Message-ID: <000001cab3b9$96e126a0$c4a373e0$@com> stephen barncard wrote: > SUCCESS. Found it. *Thank you Jacque, Jim, Mark, **Bj?rnke, Peter* for > all > your suggestions and I tried them all. > > here's the "fix" > > put the tempname & ".mp3" into tPath > > > It wasn't really my code, exactly.... er... it was more of a Win-Mac > assumption about MP3 files. > > My client wanted major obfuscation of the funny business we're doing > with > the decryption and playing - and wanted to not only have a temp type > file > name, but no suffix. It worked in mac. > > But Windows media player really wants to see that suffix. What you are saying here is not exactly so. Windows Media Player (wmplayer.exe) would "like" to see the file extension but does not require it. This is so of many, if not most PC programs (like Rev on PC does not require the .rev extension to know that a file is a stack and to open the stack. A stack can have any extension or no extension.). What "needs" to see the extension is the OS. The OS uses the extension of a file to know what to open the file with (which program the file extension is associated with). In the case of no extension, or an "unknown" extension, the user "could" be prompted to indicate what program to use, or in the case of say a shell, nothing could happen and the file is simply not opened (in your case played). What you can do, is instead of just trying to call the file, call the player and pass the music file as a command line parameter as in: *wmplayer c:\theDirectoryTheMusicIsIn\theMusicFile* (with or without the extension). Now at this point, wmplayer, depending on how it is configured, could open a dialog saying it doesn't recognize the extension, does the user want to attempt to play the file anyway? Or it could just play it. Again, this depends on the configuration of the wmplayer on that machine. Also, you need to be aware that extensions can be "switched" which means that the OS can be configured to open .mp3 files with a player other than wmplayer. This is another reason, if you are depending on a specific player to launch, to launch the player with a command line parameter rather than just launching the file. As to playing from memory, I believe wmplayer only works with files. Aloha, Jim Bufalini From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Mon Feb 22 07:28:35 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:28:35 +0100 Subject: Problems with a standalone for Linux (SOLVED) accents again ; -(( References: <039FD01C-9FCE-44E9-82D7-5E29571838DD@inria.fr> Message-ID: <51CE9F0B-C583-4F95-B5F5-1EBD09C1AF0C@inria.fr> Bonjour, My problem was : On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Bonjour, > > I have an app. that I saved as standalones for the three platforms > (Mac, > Windows and Linux). > > A first stack is launched which includes the engine and 3 buttons, > each of > which opens an independant stack (say stack1, stack2 and stack3). > > The 3 buttons have exactly the same script (on mouseUp, they call a > same > command "ouvrirCeStack"). > > They are working well on Mac and Windows ; > > But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are > working > normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! > > How is that possible ?? Quite simply ;-), it was because the name of stack3 included an accented character ("?tudes") As soon as I renamed it as "Etudes" the third button opened it normally! > > Another problem with this Linux standalone : > > On stack1 (which open normally) there is a button "help" which > alternatively > change the visibile of a field "help" (shows or hides it) > Here again works well on Mac and Windows but, with the Linux > standalone, my > user says that when he clicks on this button the field "help" is > shown but > is immediately hidden, and the stack is closed!! Here again the name of the field included an accented character ("D?marches") With "Demarches" the button opened (or closed) the field as expected. So, for Linux standalones, accents are disastrous, but seems that it is only if used in the scripts. Fortunately the accents can be kept visible on the interface, thanks to the "label" feature : name without accent, but label with the accent(s) Assuredly, it appears that Linux does not like French ;-)) Thanks again to Sarah and Bernard Devin for the attention they paid to this problem. Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 07:43:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:43:47 +0200 Subject: [OT] Bluefish Message-ID: <4B827C03.8040505@gmail.com> http://bfwiki.tellefsen.net/index.php/Installing_Bluefish From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 22 07:49:30 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:49:30 -1000 Subject: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <00000B55.4B827C5A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000B55.4B827C5A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <000101cab3bd$7a53bee0$6efb3ca0$@com> Mathias, You wrote: > Dear all, > > i need to process the standalone files after they were created. So i > thought i could use 'on standalonesaved pFolder'. But pFolder only > contains the target path, which was selected in the standalone build > process. > > I am working under Windows. Under Windows the standalone is not created > in that target folder directly. The standalone builder creates an > additional folder in this target folder. If i create the standalone > multiple times, the name of this automatic created folder is numbered > consecutively. > > Is there any way to process the files in this automatic created folder > by script? As you note, the standalone builder creates a directory under the directory you select and appends a number each time you build. Also, depending on if you are building for just Windows or other OSs, the EXE file you are looking for could be directly under this numbered directory or in a "Windows" subdirectory. So... Let's say the directory you select to save in is called MyRevPrograms and the name of the standalone is MyProgram. Set the defaulFolder to MyRevPrograms. Use the *folders* function to return a list of folders under MyRevPrograms into a variable. Use the *filter* command to filter the variable with only folders with the name "MyProgram*" (note the asteric). Sort the variable descending. Line 1 of the variable will now contain the last build directory name. Append this directory (with a slash in front) to the defaultFolder. If you built for multiple OSs then you would have to append /Windows to this. This is where your EXE and stacks you included in the last build will be. So you should end up with something like: C:/MyRevPrograms/MyProgram8/Windows/ Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From Ray at LinkIt.Com Mon Feb 22 11:01:40 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:01:40 -0800 Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for this suggestion, but wouldn't that make the print-out grainy when it comes to the text portion of the print-out? My experience is that printing images of text is usually kind of grainy as compared with printing the actual text fonts (even if they're substituted by printer fonts). I can easily try it on my own printers but that may not reveal what will happen on other printers. What do you think? Thanks, Ray On Feb 22, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Ray, > > Make a snapshot of the browser window and put that on a card. Now > print your cards. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. > > Op 22 feb 2010, om 14:46 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven: > >> I seem to have discovered several limitations to the >> RevBrowserPrint command. >> >> Firstly, it seems to have no way of cooperating with batch >> printing. That is, if I open printing, print a batch of cards via >> a repeat loop, and close printing (expecting to print the whole >> batch on closing) RevBrowserPrint behaves as if I never opened >> printing in the first place in that it presents the print dialog >> and prints the card on each iteration of the repeat loop. >> >> The second limitation is I seem to have a choice of either printing >> the browser image or Revolution fields, but not the combination of >> both. Any ideas on how to overcome either of these? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Horsley >> LinkIt! Software > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 22 08:13:24 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:13:24 +0100 Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <6A13E1B5-AC1E-45AF-B5B4-262332AFFB00@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ray, Yes, indeed, the printing quality will be bad, but at least you'll be able to print something at all. Do you have any good reason the believe that the revBrowserPrint command produces better results? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 22 feb 2010, om 17:01 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven: > Mark, > > Thanks for this suggestion, but wouldn't that make the print-out > grainy when it comes to the text portion of the print-out? My > experience is that printing images of text is usually kind of grainy > as compared with printing the actual text fonts (even if they're > substituted by printer fonts). I can easily try it on my own > printers but that may not reveal what will happen on other > printers. What do you think? > > Thanks, > > Ray From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon Feb 22 08:16:19 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:16:19 +0100 Subject: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <000101cab3bd$7a53bee0$6efb3ca0$@com> References: <00000B55.4B827C5A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <000101cab3bd$7a53bee0$6efb3ca0$@com> Message-ID: Jim, thanks for your answer. Maybe you know also how I can get the standalone name from the standalone settings? Then i could create acommon script and do not have to adjust it according to the standalone name. Regards, Matthias Am 22.02.2010 um 13:49 schrieb "Jim Bufalini" : > Mathias, > > You wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> i need to process the standalone files after they were created. So i >> thought i could use 'on standalonesaved pFolder'. But pFolder only >> contains the target path, which was selected in the standalone build >> process. >> >> I am working under Windows. Under Windows the standalone is not >> created >> in that target folder directly. The standalone builder creates an >> additional folder in this target folder. If i create the standalone >> multiple times, the name of this automatic created folder is numbered >> consecutively. >> >> Is there any way to process the files in this automatic created >> folder >> by script? > > As you note, the standalone builder creates a directory under the > directory > you select and appends a number each time you build. Also, depending > on if > you are building for just Windows or other OSs, the EXE file you are > looking > for could be directly under this numbered directory or in a "Windows" > subdirectory. So... > > Let's say the directory you select to save in is called > MyRevPrograms and > the name of the standalone is MyProgram. Set the defaulFolder to > MyRevPrograms. Use the *folders* function to return a list of > folders under > MyRevPrograms into a variable. Use the *filter* command to filter the > variable with only folders with the name "MyProgram*" (note the > asteric). > Sort the variable descending. Line 1 of the variable will now > contain the > last build directory name. Append this directory (with a slash in > front) to > the defaultFolder. > > If you built for multiple OSs then you would have to append /Windows > to > this. This is where your EXE and stacks you included in the last > build will > be. So you should end up with something like: > > C:/MyRevPrograms/MyProgram8/Windows/ > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Ray at LinkIt.Com Mon Feb 22 11:19:04 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:19:04 -0800 Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <6A13E1B5-AC1E-45AF-B5B4-262332AFFB00@economy-x-talk.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <6A13E1B5-AC1E-45AF-B5B4-262332AFFB00@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4618FAA0-A993-4A7C-B312-66B6FC694808@LinkIt.Com> Mark, Good question. So I just printed using revBrowserPrint and got pretty good results. In fact, the clarity was the same quality I would expect in printing any text and it was not grainy at all. Thanks, Ray On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Yes, indeed, the printing quality will be bad, but at least you'll > be able to print something at all. > > Do you have any good reason the believe that the revBrowserPrint > command produces better results? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development > projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. > > Op 22 feb 2010, om 17:01 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven: > >> Mark, >> >> Thanks for this suggestion, but wouldn't that make the print-out >> grainy when it comes to the text portion of the print-out? My >> experience is that printing images of text is usually kind of >> grainy as compared with printing the actual text fonts (even if >> they're substituted by printer fonts). I can easily try it on my >> own printers but that may not reveal what will happen on other >> printers. What do you think? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 22 08:47:06 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:47:06 -1000 Subject: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: References: <00000B55.4B827C5A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <000101cab3bd$7a53bee0$6efb3ca0$@com> Message-ID: <000201cab3c5$8639e1f0$92ada5d0$@com> Mathias, You wrote: > Jim, > > thanks for your answer. Maybe you know also how I can get the > standalone name from the standalone settings? > > Then i could create acommon script and do not have to adjust it > according to the standalone name. I am not sure I understand because building a standalone is a "manual" process and the standalone settings are in the stack you built the standalone for. But, if you just want to know the name of the last standalone you built and using the example I gave below then... Again set the defaultFolder to *MyRevPrograms*. This time use the *detailed folders* function to return into a variable all directories under MyRevPrograms. Sort the variable descending by item 4 (the Julian creation date and time of the folder) in the variable. Now line 1 of the variable will contain something like: *MyLastProgramName12* in item 1 of the line. Strip off the trailing numbers of the directory name in item 1 of line 1 and you will have the standalone name of the last standalone you built. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > Am 22.02.2010 um 13:49 schrieb "Jim Bufalini" : > > > Mathias, > > > > You wrote: > > > >> Dear all, > >> > >> i need to process the standalone files after they were created. So > i > >> thought i could use 'on standalonesaved pFolder'. But pFolder only > >> contains the target path, which was selected in the standalone build > >> process. > >> > >> I am working under Windows. Under Windows the standalone is not > >> created > >> in that target folder directly. The standalone builder creates an > >> additional folder in this target folder. If i create the standalone > >> multiple times, the name of this automatic created folder is > numbered > >> consecutively. > >> > >> Is there any way to process the files in this automatic created > >> folder > >> by script? > > > > As you note, the standalone builder creates a directory under the > > directory > > you select and appends a number each time you build. Also, depending > > on if > > you are building for just Windows or other OSs, the EXE file you are > > looking > > for could be directly under this numbered directory or in a "Windows" > > subdirectory. So... > > > > Let's say the directory you select to save in is called > > MyRevPrograms and > > the name of the standalone is MyProgram. Set the defaulFolder to > > MyRevPrograms. Use the *folders* function to return a list of > > folders under > > MyRevPrograms into a variable. Use the *filter* command to filter the > > variable with only folders with the name "MyProgram*" (note the > > asteric). > > Sort the variable descending. Line 1 of the variable will now > > contain the > > last build directory name. Append this directory (with a slash in > > front) to > > the defaultFolder. > > > > If you built for multiple OSs then you would have to append /Windows > > to > > this. This is where your EXE and stacks you included in the last > > build will > > be. So you should end up with something like: > > > > C:/MyRevPrograms/MyProgram8/Windows/ > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 22 09:00:26 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:00:26 -1000 Subject: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <000201cab3c5$8639e1f0$92ada5d0$@com> References: <00000B55.4B827C5A@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <000101cab3bd$7a53bee0$6efb3ca0$@com> <000201cab3c5$8639e1f0$92ada5d0$@com> Message-ID: <000601cab3c7$62fe3090$28fa91b0$@com> BTW, if your standalone names have spaces in them, be sure to use *URLDecode(item 1 of line 1) or you won't get the exact name you expect. > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 3:47 AM > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: on standalonesaved > > Mathias, > > You wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > thanks for your answer. Maybe you know also how I can get the > > standalone name from the standalone settings? > > > > Then i could create acommon script and do not have to adjust it > > according to the standalone name. > > I am not sure I understand because building a standalone is a "manual" > process and the standalone settings are in the stack you built the > standalone for. But, if you just want to know the name of the last > standalone you built and using the example I gave below then... > > Again set the defaultFolder to *MyRevPrograms*. This time use the > *detailed > folders* function to return into a variable all directories under > MyRevPrograms. Sort the variable descending by item 4 (the Julian > creation > date and time of the folder) in the variable. > > Now line 1 of the variable will contain something like: > *MyLastProgramName12* in item 1 of the line. Strip off the trailing > numbers > of the directory name in item 1 of line 1 and you will have the > standalone > name of the last standalone you built. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > Am 22.02.2010 um 13:49 schrieb "Jim Bufalini" : > > > > > Mathias, > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > >> Dear all, > > >> > > >> i need to process the standalone files after they were created. > So > > i > > >> thought i could use 'on standalonesaved pFolder'. But pFolder only > > >> contains the target path, which was selected in the standalone > build > > >> process. > > >> > > >> I am working under Windows. Under Windows the standalone is not > > >> created > > >> in that target folder directly. The standalone builder creates an > > >> additional folder in this target folder. If i create the > standalone > > >> multiple times, the name of this automatic created folder is > > numbered > > >> consecutively. > > >> > > >> Is there any way to process the files in this automatic created > > >> folder > > >> by script? > > > > > > As you note, the standalone builder creates a directory under the > > > directory > > > you select and appends a number each time you build. Also, > depending > > > on if > > > you are building for just Windows or other OSs, the EXE file you > are > > > looking > > > for could be directly under this numbered directory or in a > "Windows" > > > subdirectory. So... > > > > > > Let's say the directory you select to save in is called > > > MyRevPrograms and > > > the name of the standalone is MyProgram. Set the defaulFolder to > > > MyRevPrograms. Use the *folders* function to return a list of > > > folders under > > > MyRevPrograms into a variable. Use the *filter* command to filter > the > > > variable with only folders with the name "MyProgram*" (note the > > > asteric). > > > Sort the variable descending. Line 1 of the variable will now > > > contain the > > > last build directory name. Append this directory (with a slash in > > > front) to > > > the defaultFolder. > > > > > > If you built for multiple OSs then you would have to append > /Windows > > > to > > > this. This is where your EXE and stacks you included in the last > > > build will > > > be. So you should end up with something like: > > > > > > C:/MyRevPrograms/MyProgram8/Windows/ > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 22 09:25:59 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:25:59 EST Subject: Locking for an idea to .... Message-ID: <56a1.344a3683.38b3edf7@aol.com> Couldn't you determine the length of the data in your field and set the textsize as needed? Find out how many chars just fit into the field. When you load your data, include a little code to change the textSize as required: on LoadYourData -- your code that puts the address into the field .... switch case the length of me >= 30 and the length of me < 40 -- or whatever set the textSize of me to 10 break case the length of me >= 40 and the length of me < 50-- or whatever set the textSize of me to 9 break case --you get the picture end switch If the data is very long, you might end up reducing the text so much that it is hard to read, I guess. Can you make the field larger if the data is too long? In the same way, you could set the rect of the field as well. Craig Newman From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 09:26:45 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:26:45 +0000 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002220358u4370e2f4xcff8159badafc034@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002220358u4370e2f4xcff8159badafc034@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Congrats Bernard, happiness to you and yours!!!! :-D > > Now, the important piece, when is the party? > > Cheers! > Andre Thanks Andre (and to Richmond, also). It's over 2 years ago since we got 'married', and we just had a very quiet celebration afterwards. I'm not someone who likes to draw attention to myself, even on a momentous occasion. We're not allowed to call it 'marriage' as that would have offended any number of religious minorities (yes, even christians are a religious minority here). Still, I found the day far more moving and significant than I expected it to be. It's very nice to see that other people who are so far away and were not at all involved with it, should see it as an important day for us. Getting 'married' truly transformed our lives. We'd been together for over 5 years before the law was changed and we could 'marry'. Those early years were a real struggle -- our time was repeatedly limited by the hostile actions of immigration officials, visa controls, and 9000 kilometres. I made many 13 hour flights where I had to stand almost the whole way there and back because of my back pain. Sometimes I was in so much pain I had to cancel the flight, and couldn't claim it on travel insurance because it was a pre-existing health problem. Air France ended up being one of my favourite airlines -- because they are so cool they actually turn an area of the plane into a bar, and I could stay there and chat with other passengers. With other airlines, passengers and crew were understandably wary of this man who would not sit down for more than a few minutes. Our relationship only survived those obstacles because of our determination and our love for each other. I hope that is not too much personal detail. I just thought I would provide a little back-story. Your kind thoughts are much appreciated, really. Bernard From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 09:29:20 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:29:20 +0000 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <5C908A81-BD78-44D4-A75E-1B6B32977F4F@azurevision.co.uk> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> <5C908A81-BD78-44D4-A75E-1B6B32977F4F@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > Well excuse me for trying to think of a possible reason. ;-) > > Ian Ian, please never hold back on such theories. I sat in awe when I read it today. I would never have made those connections. Bernard From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 09:29:27 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application In-Reply-To: <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com> <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> Message-ID: <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > > including media installers is allowed by runrev, > but of course one should ask em beforehand. > Kevin answered this request: on Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM Kevin Miller wrote: > That would be fine. Sounds like a great project, best of luck with it! > Kind regards, > Kevin Who could volunteer to create a list of tutorials and Demos that should be included in this project "Wikipedia on CD/DVD" to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers? Notice that we must ask for permission to every author to include their work in this project. Thanks in advance. Alejandro On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:04 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop > an application that display directly the more recently updated > XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev. > > This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of > RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a > wider audience and many potential developers. > > How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete > this project? > > Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas! > > Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1564499.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 22 10:01:21 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:01:21 -0500 Subject: Data grid columns headers In-Reply-To: <5F7A862B-B984-450A-8488-A61FA236F7CF@wanadoo.fr> References: <5F7A862B-B984-450A-8488-A61FA236F7CF@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <9D27254C-B4B7-42D1-977E-7524DE574783@mangomultimedia.com> On Feb 21, 2010, at 6:56 AM, ?ric Miclo wrote: > Already reported as bug #8030 on 2009-05-03. > Seems it's still there... Hmm, I see that someone at Rev acknowledged the bug but I don't recall being notified. I've submitted a fix for the next release. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 22 10:03:09 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:03:09 -0500 Subject: Data grid columns headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 21, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > So, Trevor: it would be better not to allow an empty column header if > this is going to cause irretrievable errors. I just submitted a fix for the next version. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Mon Feb 22 10:23:19 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:23:19 +0100 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6947AE6B-F774-4A5D-A3A4-AEC43A706B86@inria.fr> Bonjour, You might catch a glance at a post from Jacque where she shows how to do the reverse (increase the text of a field when it is difficult to read) http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-January/132572.html might try the reverse Another one, I used in an app. where certain lines of a field where to long to be read entirely : The idea is that on mouseDown on a line the tooltip appears showing the entire line. (with a trick to keep the toolTip visible for a longer time) In the script of the field I have : local tLine on mouseDown set the toolTipDelay to 150 showToolTip wait 5 seconds with messages set the toolTipDelay to 1 showToolTip end mouseDown on showToolTip put word 2 of the mouseLine into tLine set the tooltip of me to empty set the toolTip of me to line tLine of me end voirToolTip on mouseUp set the toolTip of me to empty set the toolTipDelay to 500 exit to top end mouseUp Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 22 f?vr. 10 ? 12:42, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit : > Hello all > > I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) > > > I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it > to display e.g. email adresses. > > Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other > times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. > > I now noticed that the iPhones address application, > automatically reduces the font size to be able to always > display the whole address. > > Very clever ! > > My Label field does not have a monospaced font > I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this > behavior. > > > Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? > > > Cheers > Rolf > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 22 10:35:08 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:35:08 EST Subject: Odd selection hangup Message-ID: <7ea1.3f93fff9.38b3fe2c@aol.com> Someone on one of the forums ("Tal") asks why when one has the following code in an object: on selectedObjectChanged set the selected of me to "false" end selectedObjectChanged one can click on the object when in edit mode, and the object will obligingly deselect itself. But if one drags a selection rectangle to the object, it "seems" like it remains selected. The handles linger. Operation is otherwise normal, though I am sure I have seen the text in a field under this condition pretty well locked up. It got better. The handles will stick, not forever, but it is not clear to me what I need to to do to get it deSelected, though I have, by fooling around and navigation and stuff, gotten rid of them. Closing the stack does it. Bug? Craig Newman From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 22 10:37:19 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:37:19 -0300 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: <6947AE6B-F774-4A5D-A3A4-AEC43A706B86@inria.fr> References: <6947AE6B-F774-4A5D-A3A4-AEC43A706B86@inria.fr> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002220737n1f1819b7ke7e7c2f8fa48069e@mail.gmail.com> What I'd try would be to use the formattedWidth to check if my text field was too small, if it was, then, I would lower the text size and check again, rinse and repeat till it fits! :D On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Bonjour, > > You might catch a glance at a post from Jacque where she shows how to do > the reverse (increase the text of a field when it is difficult to read) > > http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-January/132572.html > might try the reverse > > Another one, I used in an app. where certain lines of a field where to long > to be read entirely : > The idea is that on mouseDown on a line the tooltip appears showing the > entire line. > (with a trick to keep the toolTip visible for a longer time) > > In the script of the field I have : > > local tLine > on mouseDown > set the toolTipDelay to 150 > showToolTip > wait 5 seconds with messages > set the toolTipDelay to 1 > showToolTip > end mouseDown > > on showToolTip > put word 2 of the mouseLine into tLine > set the tooltip of me to empty > set the toolTip of me to line tLine of me > end voirToolTip > > on mouseUp > set the toolTip of me to empty > set the toolTipDelay to 500 > exit to top > end mouseUp > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? > > Le 22 f?vr. 10 ? 12:42, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit : > > > Hello all >> >> I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) >> >> >> I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it >> to display e.g. email adresses. >> >> Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other >> times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. >> >> I now noticed that the iPhones address application, >> automatically reduces the font size to be able to always >> display the whole address. >> >> Very clever ! >> >> My Label field does not have a monospaced font >> I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this behavior. >> >> >> Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? >> >> >> Cheers >> Rolf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 22 10:39:43 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:39:43 -0500 Subject: Data Grid brain fart In-Reply-To: <80A17968-D8E6-4973-BA4B-74750E47F853@gmail.com> References: <80A17968-D8E6-4973-BA4B-74750E47F853@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Sorry, but I'm not seeing this in the documentation. I'm adding a > row to a DG form, and after I add it, I'd like to get the > dgDataControl of the row I just added so I can send a couple > messages to it. Is this doable? A couple of things were missing from the docs. I've updated them. When adding data to a Data Grid using AddData the new index is returned in the result (or error string if an error occurs). You can pass this index to ScrollIndexIntoView. Lesson on adding data has been updated: How Do I Add A Row Of Data To An Existing Data Grid?: ScrollIndexIntoView/ScrollLineIntoView are already documented in API but I added a reference to them in the lesson above. Getting the control for an index wasn't documented but I've updated the API docs with the necessary info. See dgDataControlOfIndex/Line and ColumnControlOfIndex. Data Grid API: -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Mon Feb 22 10:47:04 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:47:04 +0100 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002220737n1f1819b7ke7e7c2f8fa48069e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6947AE6B-F774-4A5D-A3A4-AEC43A706B86@inria.fr> <7c87a2a11002220737n1f1819b7ke7e7c2f8fa48069e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF7BC7E-B563-4EE2-AC60-FEA7A00749C9@inria.fr> Le 22 f?vr. 10 ? 16:37, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > What I'd try would be to use the formattedWidth to check if my text > field > was too small, if it was, then, I would lower the text size and > check again, > rinse and repeat till it fits! > > :D After some iterations your risk to have to buy binoculars ;-o))) Andr? (with an accent ;-) > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Andre.Bisseret >wrote: > >> Bonjour, >> >> You might catch a glance at a post from Jacque where she shows how >> to do >> the reverse (increase the text of a field when it is difficult to >> read) >> >> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-January/132572.html >> might try the reverse >> >> Another one, I used in an app. where certain lines of a field where >> to long >> to be read entirely : >> The idea is that on mouseDown on a line the tooltip appears showing >> the >> entire line. >> (with a trick to keep the toolTip visible for a longer time) >> >> In the script of the field I have : >> >> local tLine >> on mouseDown >> set the toolTipDelay to 150 >> showToolTip >> wait 5 seconds with messages >> set the toolTipDelay to 1 >> showToolTip >> end mouseDown >> >> on showToolTip >> put word 2 of the mouseLine into tLine >> set the tooltip of me to empty >> set the toolTip of me to line tLine of me >> end voirToolTip >> >> on mouseUp >> set the toolTip of me to empty >> set the toolTipDelay to 500 >> exit to top >> end mouseUp >> >> Best regards from Grenoble >> >> Andr? >> >> Le 22 f?vr. 10 ? 12:42, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit : >> >> >> Hello all >>> >>> I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) >>> >>> >>> I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it >>> to display e.g. email adresses. >>> >>> Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other >>> times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. >>> >>> I now noticed that the iPhones address application, >>> automatically reduces the font size to be able to always >>> display the whole address. >>> >>> Very clever ! >>> >>> My Label field does not have a monospaced font >>> I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this >>> behavior. >>> >>> >>> Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Rolf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 22 10:48:24 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:48:24 -0300 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: <8CF7BC7E-B563-4EE2-AC60-FEA7A00749C9@inria.fr> References: <6947AE6B-F774-4A5D-A3A4-AEC43A706B86@inria.fr> <7c87a2a11002220737n1f1819b7ke7e7c2f8fa48069e@mail.gmail.com> <8CF7BC7E-B563-4EE2-AC60-FEA7A00749C9@inria.fr> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002220748l40288ea7r66a9864714818400@mail.gmail.com> can someone build an external to check out the eye sight of the user... we could use it and some math to compute the optimum text size! :D On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > > Le 22 f?vr. 10 ? 16:37, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > > > What I'd try would be to use the formattedWidth to check if my text field >> was too small, if it was, then, I would lower the text size and check >> again, >> rinse and repeat till it fits! >> >> :D >> > > After some iterations your risk to have to buy binoculars ;-o))) > > Andr? (with an accent ;-) > > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Andre.Bisseret > >wrote: >> >> Bonjour, >>> >>> You might catch a glance at a post from Jacque where she shows how to do >>> the reverse (increase the text of a field when it is difficult to read) >>> >>> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-January/132572.html >>> might try the reverse >>> >>> Another one, I used in an app. where certain lines of a field where to >>> long >>> to be read entirely : >>> The idea is that on mouseDown on a line the tooltip appears showing the >>> entire line. >>> (with a trick to keep the toolTip visible for a longer time) >>> >>> In the script of the field I have : >>> >>> local tLine >>> on mouseDown >>> set the toolTipDelay to 150 >>> showToolTip >>> wait 5 seconds with messages >>> set the toolTipDelay to 1 >>> showToolTip >>> end mouseDown >>> >>> on showToolTip >>> put word 2 of the mouseLine into tLine >>> set the tooltip of me to empty >>> set the toolTip of me to line tLine of me >>> end voirToolTip >>> >>> on mouseUp >>> set the toolTip of me to empty >>> set the toolTipDelay to 500 >>> exit to top >>> end mouseUp >>> >>> Best regards from Grenoble >>> >>> Andr? >>> >>> Le 22 f?vr. 10 ? 12:42, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit : >>> >>> >>> Hello all >>> >>>> >>>> I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it >>>> to display e.g. email adresses. >>>> >>>> Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other >>>> times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. >>>> >>>> I now noticed that the iPhones address application, >>>> automatically reduces the font size to be able to always >>>> display the whole address. >>>> >>>> Very clever ! >>>> >>>> My Label field does not have a monospaced font >>>> I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this behavior. >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Rolf >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 10:55:49 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:55:49 -0800 Subject: [OT] Bluefish In-Reply-To: <4B827C03.8040505@gmail.com> References: <4B827C03.8040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: It must be a "thing" with LINUX distributions - web sites that show you a lot of tech details, how to download, upgrade, nightly builds...... but they almost always make you really work at finding out what the hell it does!! What does Bluefish do? ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 04:43, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > http://bfwiki.tellefsen.net/index.php/Installing_Bluefish > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 10:57:37 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:57:37 -0800 Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <4618FAA0-A993-4A7C-B312-66B6FC694808@LinkIt.Com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <6A13E1B5-AC1E-45AF-B5B4-262332AFFB00@economy-x-talk.com> <4618FAA0-A993-4A7C-B312-66B6FC694808@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: Yes, of course, it would be working with the native printing routines and should look as expected. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 08:19, Ray Horsley wrote: > Mark, > > Good question. So I just printed using revBrowserPrint and got pretty good > results. In fact, the clarity was the same quality I would expect in > printing any text and it was not grainy at all. > > Thanks, > > Ray > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > Hi Ray, >> >> Yes, indeed, the printing quality will be bad, but at least you'll be able >> to print something at all. >> >> Do you have any good reason the believe that the revBrowserPrint command >> produces better results? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> >> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. >> Feel free to contact me for a quote. >> >> Op 22 feb 2010, om 17:01 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven: >> >> Mark, >>> >>> Thanks for this suggestion, but wouldn't that make the print-out grainy >>> when it comes to the text portion of the print-out? My experience is that >>> printing images of text is usually kind of grainy as compared with printing >>> the actual text fonts (even if they're substituted by printer fonts). I can >>> easily try it on my own printers but that may not reveal what will happen on >>> other printers. What do you think? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From klaus at major.on-rev.com Mon Feb 22 11:02:49 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:02:49 +0100 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly In-Reply-To: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> References: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <6100342D-E9C1-4291-AB65-E29735166E9C@major.on-rev.com> Hi Mark, > I'm working on a simple game of concentration for the kids I teach. > > I have 24 small image rectangles grouped on a card that are populated in a repeat loop which sets their fileNames to line x of a list of filenames held in a variable. These files can be large images. > > lock screen > put the seconds into vSecs > repeat with x = 1 to 24 > set the filename of image x of group "imageGroup" to line x of vPopulate > end repeat > unlock screen > put (the seconds - vSecs) > > The above takes 5 seconds (which is close to an eternity...) > > Is there a faster way to make this happen, or should I simply make a progress bar and not worry about it? did you try to use QuickTime player objectys, if that is an option? I remember that I made some test a couple of years a go and the winner was a QT player, here my results from 2006. I used a Rev image object, Trevors Enhanced QuickTime Extrenal saved I pulled an image in the desired size to disk and I set the filename of a Rev image. The results are quite impressive! Please remember that I do the tests on my "ancient" G4 with 1 Ghz but 1 GB RAM :-) ############################## I set the filename of a Rev image, computed the correct size from the "formatted dimensions" and adjusted heigth/width accordingly, same for players. Dimensions are in pixels, times in milliseconds. Image dimensions: 2560*1920 Thumbnailsize: 60*60 qtsnap2var: 572 Rev img: 1786 Player: 78 !!!! Image dimensions: 2560*1920 Thumbnailsize: 100*100 qtsnap2var: 585 Rev img: 1822 Player: 85 Image dimensions: 2560*1920 Thumbnailsize: 150*150 qtsnap2var: 563 Rev img: 1896 Player: 75 Image dimensions: 2560*1920 Thumbnailsize: 200*200 qtsnap2var: 585 Rev img: 1822 Player: 79 Image dimensions: 2560*1920 Thumbnailsize: 300*300 qtsnap2var: 780 Rev img: 1924 Player: 76 Image dimensions: 3440*2580 Thumbnailsize: 150*150 qtsnap2var: 742 Rev img: 2991 Player: 74 ############################## Hope this helps! > Thanks > Mark Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 22 11:04:40 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:04:40 +0100 Subject: [OT] Bluefish In-Reply-To: References: <4B827C03.8040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E4F3D74-06E8-4CDD-B193-DAE2456C1424@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Stephen, Nowhere on the website, I can find a clear statement on what Bluefish is. The website says: "Bluefish is a powerful editor targeted towards programmers and webdesigners, with many options to write websites, scripts and programming code. Bluefish supports many programming and markup languages, and it focuses on editing dynamic and interactive websites." From this I conclude that Bluefish is a general-purpose code editor, like TextWrangler and BBEdit, but it might also be a specialised web page editor. More info: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 22 feb 2010, om 16:55 heeft stephen barncard het volgende geschreven: > It must be a "thing" with LINUX distributions - web sites that show > you a > lot of tech details, how to download, upgrade, nightly builds...... > but they > almost always make you really work at finding out what the hell it > does!! > What does Bluefish do? > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 11:13:11 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:13:11 -0800 Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application In-Reply-To: <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com> <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: You could start with the scripting conferences, one of the most useful tutorial series ever, that many people still don't know about. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 06:29, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi all, > > Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > > Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > > > > including media installers is allowed by runrev, > > but of course one should ask em beforehand. > > > > Kevin answered this request: > > on Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM > Kevin Miller wrote: > > That would be fine. Sounds like a great project, best of luck with it! > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Who could volunteer to create a list of tutorials and Demos > that should be included in this project "Wikipedia on CD/DVD" > to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential > developers? > > Notice that we must ask for permission to every author > to include their work in this project. > > Thanks in advance. > > Alejandro > > On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:04 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > > If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop > > an application that display directly the more recently updated > > XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev. > > > > This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of > > RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a > > wider audience and many potential developers. > > > > How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete > > this project? > > > > Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas! > > > > Alejandro > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1564499.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 22 11:15:03 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:15:03 -0800 Subject: Odd selection hangup Message-ID: <4B82AD87.9050702@fourthworld.com> DunbarX wrote: > Someone on one of the forums ("Tal") asks why when one has the following > code in an object: > > on selectedObjectChanged > set the selected of me to "false" > end selectedObjectChanged > > one can click on the object when in edit mode, and the object will > obligingly deselect itself. > > But if one drags a selection rectangle to the object, it "seems" like it > remains selected. The handles linger. Operation is otherwise normal, though I > am sure I have seen the text in a field under this condition pretty well > locked up. > > It got better. > > The handles will stick, not forever, but it is not clear to me what I need > to to do to get it deSelected, though I have, by fooling around and > navigation and stuff, gotten rid of them. Closing the stack does it. A simpler and more reliable method of preventing an object from being selected is to turn on the object's cantSelect property. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 10:46:47 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:46:47 -0800 Subject: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows. In-Reply-To: <000001cab3b9$96e126a0$c4a373e0$@com> References: <4B819D02.1020001@hyperactivesw.com> <000001cab33d$29569ec0$7c03dc40$@com> <000001cab3b9$96e126a0$c4a373e0$@com> Message-ID: I wasn't depending on any player except what was in Rev. In this case it was non-Quicktime installation imbedding Eric's music player code, using the video player object. I am assuming WMP would be the code that would play the file in that situation. What am I to assume, otherwise? The project was non-operational in Win until I used the .mp3 suffix. Anyway, using a suffix is usally the right thing to do when working with files, as far as I can see. And yes, QT also only works from files in the player. But on mac it plays the MP3s without the suffix. This cost a whole bunch of time and I though others should know. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 04:21, Jim Bufalini wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > > > SUCCESS. Found it. *Thank you Jacque, Jim, Mark, **Bj?rnke, Peter* for > > all > > your suggestions and I tried them all. > > > > here's the "fix" > > > > put the tempname & ".mp3" into tPath > > > > > > It wasn't really my code, exactly.... er... it was more of a Win-Mac > > assumption about MP3 files. > > > > My client wanted major obfuscation of the funny business we're doing > > with > > the decryption and playing - and wanted to not only have a temp type > > file > > name, but no suffix. It worked in mac. > > > > But Windows media player really wants to see that suffix. > > What you are saying here is not exactly so. Windows Media Player > (wmplayer.exe) would "like" to see the file extension but does not require > it. This is so of many, if not most PC programs (like Rev on PC does not > require the .rev extension to know that a file is a stack and to open the > stack. A stack can have any extension or no extension.). What "needs" to see > the extension is the OS. > > The OS uses the extension of a file to know what to open the file with > (which program the file extension is associated with). In the case of no > extension, or an "unknown" extension, the user "could" be prompted to > indicate what program to use, or in the case of say a shell, nothing could > happen and the file is simply not opened (in your case played). > > What you can do, is instead of just trying to call the file, call the > player and pass the music file as a command line parameter as in: *wmplayer > c:\theDirectoryTheMusicIsIn\theMusicFile* (with or without the extension). > > Now at this point, wmplayer, depending on how it is configured, could open > a dialog saying it doesn't recognize the extension, does the user want to > attempt to play the file anyway? Or it could just play it. Again, this > depends on the configuration of the wmplayer on that machine. > > Also, you need to be aware that extensions can be "switched" which means > that the OS can be configured to open .mp3 files with a player other than > wmplayer. This is another reason, if you are depending on a specific player > to launch, to launch the player with a command line parameter rather than > just launching the file. > > As to playing from memory, I believe wmplayer only works with files. > > Aloha, > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 11:19:06 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:19:06 -0800 Subject: Odd selection hangup In-Reply-To: <7ea1.3f93fff9.38b3fe2c@aol.com> References: <7ea1.3f93fff9.38b3fe2c@aol.com> Message-ID: doing a quick change between edit and browse ( cmd 0 cmd 9 ) will clear the selection.. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 07:35, wrote: > Someone on one of the forums ("Tal") asks why when one has the following > code in an object: > > on selectedObjectChanged > set the selected of me to "false" > end selectedObjectChanged > > one can click on the object when in edit mode, and the object will > obligingly deselect itself. > > But if one drags a selection rectangle to the object, it "seems" like it > remains selected. The handles linger. Operation is otherwise normal, though > I > am sure I have seen the text in a field under this condition pretty well > locked up. > > It got better. > > The handles will stick, not forever, but it is not clear to me what I need > to to do to get it deSelected, though I have, by fooling around and > navigation and stuff, gotten rid of them. Closing the stack does it. > > Bug? > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mdswindell at cruzio.com Mon Feb 22 11:32:10 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:32:10 -0800 Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application In-Reply-To: References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com> <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8268EBD7-CF8C-4247-911B-FA302FCCFB07@cruzio.com> Absolutely true. On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:13 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > You could start with the scripting conferences, one of the most useful > tutorial series ever, that many people still don't know about. > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev From martyknapp at comcast.net Mon Feb 22 11:40:04 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:40:04 -0800 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B82B364.2090205@comcast.net> Very cool Scott! Marty Knapp > Recently, Peter Haworth wrote: > > >> I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and >> I'm trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to >> ensure that the time is in the correct format. >> >> What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would >> increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals. I was >> hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only >> seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to >> figure out how to deal with time-based numbers. >> >> Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this? >> > > This was a good interface challenge... > > Instead of using a standard slider, I think a dual slider would be a good > solution (but this might depend on the actual time constraints of your > "day"). Can't do this kind of thing with a stock slider however (you'd need > two separate sliders). > > It also occurred to me that mini-calendars are the current de-facto standard > for entering dates in forms, so how about a clock face for time entry? > > I posted an example online that shows both time entry options (don't ask me > to explain the math). Execute the following in your Rev message box: > > go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/timesettings.rev" > > Each set of controls relies on the behavior script that is present on the > right side of the stack. > > Maybe one of these could work. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 11:40:48 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:40:48 +0200 Subject: [OT] Bluefish In-Reply-To: References: <4B827C03.8040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B82B390.5050308@gmail.com> On 22/02/2010 17:55, stephen barncard wrote: > It must be a "thing" with LINUX distributions - web sites that show you a > lot of tech details, how to download, upgrade, nightly builds...... but they > almost always make you really work at finding out what the hell it does!! > What does Bluefish do? > It is a very powerful text-editor + http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 11:42:11 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:42:11 -0600 Subject: Data Grid brain fart In-Reply-To: References: <80A17968-D8E6-4973-BA4B-74750E47F853@gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002220842pbb00c6x78ca322e4aab3786@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again, Trevor. This ability has allowed me to add a _very_ nice feature (easily) to my app. ;-) Jeff M. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon Feb 22 11:46:15 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:46:15 +0000 Subject: Re-2: on standalonesaved Message-ID: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Thanks again, Jim. I thought there is a property for that. But your solution will do. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: on standalonesaved (22-Feb-2010 14:47) From: Jim Bufalini To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Mathias, > > You wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > thanks for your answer. Maybe you know also how I can get the > > standalone name from the standalone settings? > > > > Then i could create acommon script and do not have to adjust it > > according to the standalone name. > > I am not sure I understand because building a standalone is a "manual" > process and the standalone settings are in the stack you built the > standalone for. But, if you just want to know the name of the last > standalone you built and using the example I gave below then... > > Again set the defaultFolder to *MyRevPrograms*. This time use the *detailed > folders* function to return into a variable all directories under > MyRevPrograms. Sort the variable descending by item 4 (the Julian creation > date and time of the folder) in the variable. > > Now line 1 of the variable will contain something like: > *MyLastProgramName12* in item 1 of the line. Strip off the trailing numbers > of the directory name in item 1 of line 1 and you will have the standalone > name of the last standalone you built. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > > Am 22.02.2010 um 13:49 schrieb "Jim Bufalini" : > > > > > Mathias, > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > >> Dear all, > > >> > > >> i need to process the standalone files after they were created. So > > i > > >> thought i could use 'on standalonesaved pFolder'. But pFolder only > > >> contains the target path, which was selected in the standalone build > > >> process. > > >> > > >> I am working under Windows. Under Windows the standalone is not > > >> created > > >> in that target folder directly. The standalone builder creates an > > >> additional folder in this target folder. If i create the standalone > > >> multiple times, the name of this automatic created folder is > > numbered > > >> consecutively. > > >> > > >> Is there any way to process the files in this automatic created > > >> folder > > >> by script? > > > > > > As you note, the standalone builder creates a directory under the > > > directory > > > you select and appends a number each time you build. Also, depending > > > on if > > > you are building for just Windows or other OSs, the EXE file you are > > > looking > > > for could be directly under this numbered directory or in a "Windows" > > > subdirectory. So... > > > > > > Let's say the directory you select to save in is called > > > MyRevPrograms and > > > the name of the standalone is MyProgram. Set the defaulFolder to > > > MyRevPrograms. Use the *folders* function to return a list of > > > folders under > > > MyRevPrograms into a variable. Use the *filter* command to filter the > > > variable with only folders with the name "MyProgram*" (note the > > > asteric). > > > Sort the variable descending. Line 1 of the variable will now > > > contain the > > > last build directory name. Append this directory (with a slash in > > > front) to > > > the defaultFolder. > > > > > > If you built for multiple OSs then you would have to append /Windows > > > to > > > this. This is where your EXE and stacks you included in the last > > > build will > > > be. So you should end up with something like: > > > > > > C:/MyRevPrograms/MyProgram8/Windows/ > > > > > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > > > > > Jim Bufalini > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 22 11:47:08 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:47:08 -0800 Subject: [OT] Bluefish In-Reply-To: <4B82B390.5050308@gmail.com> References: <4B827C03.8040505@gmail.com> <4B82B390.5050308@gmail.com> Message-ID: I found the 'real' link. Thanks. I thought that was the core site. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 08:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 22/02/2010 17:55, stephen barncard wrote: > >> It must be a "thing" with LINUX distributions - web sites that show you a >> lot of tech details, how to download, upgrade, nightly builds...... but >> they >> almost always make you really work at finding out what the hell it does!! >> What does Bluefish do? >> >> > > It is a very powerful text-editor + > > http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pete at mollysrevenge.com Mon Feb 22 11:47:13 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:47:13 -0800 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <20100222122155.B62262882D3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100222122155.B62262882D3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <22696AAC-0740-4AAB-8226-5A7EC471BD8C@mollysrevenge.com> Thank you so much for this Scott, just what I was looking for. I'm liking the sliders better than the clock right now, perhaps because of my preconception of how I wanted to do this. The code goes way beyond my Rev capabilities, so I do have to ask a couple of questions. At line 13, you divide by 48. I think 48 represents the number of 15 minute intervals in the slider scale of 12 hours, is that right? I may need something other than a 12 hour scale so just want to make sure I know how to adjust the code appropriately. If I do adjust the scale to something other than 12 hours, would I need to change anything else in the code? Thanks again for this! Pete Haworth -------------- next part -------------- http://www.mollysrevenge.com http://www.sonicbids.com/MollysRevenge http://www.myspace.com/mollysrevengeband On Feb 22, 2010, at 4:21 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> This was a good interface challenge... >> >> Instead of using a standard slider, I think a dual slider would be >> a good >> solution (but this might depend on the actual time constraints of >> your >> "day"). Can't do this kind of thing with a stock slider however >> (you'd >> need >> two separate sliders). >> >> It also occurred to me that mini-calendars are the current de-facto >> standard >> for entering dates in forms, so how about a clock face for time >> entry? >> >> I posted an example online that shows both time entry options >> (don't ask me >> to explain the math). Execute the following in your Rev message box: >> >> go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/timesettings.rev" >> >> Each set of controls relies on the behavior script that is present >> on the >> right side of the stack. >> >> Maybe one of these could work. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Feb 22 12:08:30 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:08:30 -0800 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <22696AAC-0740-4AAB-8226-5A7EC471BD8C@mollysrevenge.com> References: <20100222122155.B62262882D3@mail.runrev.com> <22696AAC-0740-4AAB-8226-5A7EC471BD8C@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: Hi Pete: FWIW, if you have a small amount of real estate for the time entry control, a clock face is a lot more efficient than a slider. Regardless, yes 48 is the number of 15 minute intervals. The other thing you may need to adjust is the width of the slider base graphic -- it's currently wide enough to evenly accommodate tick marks for the 48 intervals. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thank you so much for this Scott, just what I was looking for. I'm > liking the sliders better than the clock right now, perhaps because > of my preconception of how I wanted to do this. > > The code goes way beyond my Rev capabilities, so I do have to ask a > couple of questions. > > At line 13, you divide by 48. I think 48 represents the number of > 15 minute intervals in the slider scale of 12 hours, is that right? > I may need something other than a 12 hour scale so just want to make > sure I know how to adjust the code appropriately. > > If I do adjust the scale to something other than 12 hours, would I > need to change anything else in the code? > > Thanks again for this! > > Pete Haworth > > > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 4:21 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com > wrote: > >>> This was a good interface challenge... >>> >>> Instead of using a standard slider, I think a dual slider would be >>> a good >>> solution (but this might depend on the actual time constraints of >>> your >>> "day"). Can't do this kind of thing with a stock slider however >>> (you'd >>> need >>> two separate sliders). >>> >>> It also occurred to me that mini-calendars are the current de-facto >>> standard >>> for entering dates in forms, so how about a clock face for time >>> entry? >>> >>> I posted an example online that shows both time entry options >>> (don't ask me >>> to explain the math). Execute the following in your Rev message >>> box: >>> >>> go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/timesettings.rev" >>> >>> Each set of controls relies on the behavior script that is present >>> on the >>> right side of the stack. >>> >>> Maybe one of these could work. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Scott Rossi >>> Creative Director >>> Tactile Media, UX Design > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 12:14:13 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:14:13 +0200 Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> <5C908A81-BD78-44D4-A75E-1B6B32977F4F@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B82BB65.208@gmail.com> The kids were doing something that did not involve me (the perfect way to teach! they play with my EFL content programs while I muck around with RunRev stuff) . . . so added a button to my "FontLister" stack with the following script: on mouseUp open file "FontList.txt" put fld "FONTZ" into FONTZ write FONTZ to file "FontList.txt" end mouseUp Rocket science it ain't: but what it does allow me to do is use TextWrangler to check output lists and compare them. So ran the stack using RR 2.2.1, RR 4.0 and MC 4.0 on my Ubuntu box and then compared the output files using TextWrangler over on the Mac: All the same ran the stack downstairs in the school on one of the Ubuntu boxes down there running 5.10 (one upstairs runs 8.04.4) and found I ended up with an identical situation: not a single one of my hand-installed fonts showed up. A few conclusions: 1. RunRev have done nothing about this situation between versions 2.2.1 and 4.0 but, maybe they cannot because 2. Ubuntu have done nothing about this between versions 5.10 and 8.0.4 From toolbook at kestner.de Mon Feb 22 12:19:29 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:19:29 +0100 Subject: AW: Win7 Apps don't launch - just nothing ? - solved! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MJVXP-1NlWvw3Jmt-002WUd@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> After more than two weeks of investigations my customer has solved this mystery by chance. The "simple" solution was, that his C: drive was write protected for the Admin. Unfortunately my customer couldn't tell me why and how this has happened, so this mystery stays, especially because he has successfully setup my App on C:, but the second install part, installation of my App videos was already blocked. Very strange, but... Thanks Jim and B?rnke for your help! Tiemo From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Feb 22 12:33:26 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:33:26 -0500 Subject: Data Grid brain fart In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002220842pbb00c6x78ca322e4aab3786@mail.gmail.com> References: <80A17968-D8E6-4973-BA4B-74750E47F853@gmail.com> <963c86eb1002220842pbb00c6x78ca322e4aab3786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 22, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Thanks again, Trevor. You're welcome. > This ability has allowed me to add a _very_ nice > feature (easily) to my app. ;-) That's what we like to hear :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 12:59:52 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:59:52 +0200 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002220358u4370e2f4xcff8159badafc034@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B82C618.6090102@gmail.com> On 22/02/2010 16:26, Bernard Devlin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > >> Congrats Bernard, happiness to you and yours!!!! :-D >> >> Now, the important piece, when is the party? >> >> Cheers! >> Andre >> > Thanks Andre (and to Richmond, also). It's over 2 years ago since we > got 'married', and we just had a very quiet celebration afterwards. > I'm not someone who likes to draw attention to myself, even on a > momentous occasion. > > We're not allowed to call it 'marriage' as that would have offended > any number of religious minorities (yes, even christians are a > religious minority here). That makes me fed up. Almost everything you do, I do, and anybody else does is bound to offend someone. Personally I am offended by any religious group that thinks it holds the moral high ground. I am also offended by those who think they have some sort of licence to stick their noses in other people's business and pass judgement. There are things that are morally wrong, such as murder; and it is morally wrong because it impinges on another's freedom of action (as does slavery). Actions or thoughts that are held to be morally wrong are rather hard to justify empirically and, as such, are probably held to be morally wrong because of either religious beliefs or religiously determined cultural beliefs (to explain that we should consider many atheists who hold that homosexuality is wrong - but when you try to pin them down you find that their set of values is normally based on the religion they make such a noise about despising). I really wish people could begin to see past the "wrappings" of gender, sexuality, race and so on, to the individuals within. All religions make it clear that God looks on us all with equal favour - and that should suffice. > Still, I found the day far more moving and > significant than I expected it to be. It's very nice to see that > other people who are so far away and were not at all involved with it, > should see it as an important day for us. Getting 'married' truly > transformed our lives. > > We'd been together for over 5 years before the law was changed and we > could 'marry'. Those early years were a real struggle -- our time was > repeatedly limited by the hostile actions of immigration officials, > visa controls, and 9000 kilometres. I made many 13 hour flights where > I had to stand almost the whole way there and back because of my back > pain. Sometimes I was in so much pain I had to cancel the flight, and > couldn't claim it on travel insurance because it was a pre-existing > health problem. > > Air France ended up being one of my favourite airlines -- because they > are so cool they actually turn an area of the plane into a bar, and I > could stay there and chat with other passengers. With other airlines, > passengers and crew were understandably wary of this man who would not > sit down for more than a few minutes. > > Our relationship only survived those obstacles because of our > determination and our love for each other. determination and love will wash everything else away . . . :) > I hope that is not too > much personal detail. I just thought I would provide a little > back-story. > > Your kind thoughts are much appreciated, really. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 13:12:56 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:12:56 -0400 Subject: Words Indexing strategies Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002221012o4ea207abi97047f4c6f7d631c@mail.gmail.com> Some time ago, i posted a message asking for volunteers to create a Wikipedia CD/DVD. Since then, i have been working on this project and have done some advances, that will be published as soon they work as expected. These are the steps that i am following to process the XML databases: Wikipedia XML database are huge and we could get best results when XML databases are downloaded directly from: http://download.wikipedia.org/ The download direction for wikipedia English XML database from 2010 February 3 is: http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20100130/enwiki-20100130-pages-articles.xml.bz2 download direction for wikipedia Spanish XML database from 2010 February 21 is: http://download.wikimedia.org/eswiki/20100221/eswiki-20100221-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2 After downloading the compressed xml database, you should put the database inside a folder (not in the disk root) and split the file in small bz2 files using bzip2recover. http://www.bzip.org/downloads.html http://www.bzip.org/1.0.5/bzip2recover-105-x86-win32.exe It is easier to deal with many compressed small files than using one humongous text file of more than 25 GB (english xml database) or 5.3 GB (spanish xml database). After using bzip2recover to split the English xml database, i get more than 28,000 small (~250 kb) bz2 files or 6800 small bz2 files for Spanish xml databases. Each one of these files have (more of less) a 1 MB segment of the database. Notice that i choose a different file for spanish xml database than english xml database. That is because Wikipedia have been unable to solve a problem with their backup of spanish xml database. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694 Alejandro From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 22 13:13:15 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:13:15 -0600 Subject: Re-2: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Thanks again, Jim. > > I thought there is a property for that. Yes, there is. Actually there is one for each OS you are building for. They are in the custom property set called "cRevStandaloneSettings". If you turn on "View UI Elements in Lists" under the View menu, and then inspect the stack, you will see the custom property set and all the available values. For example, the OS X property is called "OSX.name". You can retrieve each name by using something like this: get the cRevStandaloneSettings["OSX.name"] of this stack -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 22 13:16:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:16:05 -0600 Subject: Odd selection hangup In-Reply-To: <7ea1.3f93fff9.38b3fe2c@aol.com> References: <7ea1.3f93fff9.38b3fe2c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B82C9E5.4030708@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Someone on one of the forums ("Tal") asks why when one has the following > code in an object: > > on selectedObjectChanged > set the selected of me to "false" > end selectedObjectChanged > > one can click on the object when in edit mode, and the object will > obligingly deselect itself. > > But if one drags a selection rectangle to the object, it "seems" like it > remains selected. The handles linger. Operation is otherwise normal, though I > am sure I have seen the text in a field under this condition pretty well > locked up. > > It got better. > > The handles will stick, not forever, but it is not clear to me what I need > to to do to get it deSelected, though I have, by fooling around and > navigation and stuff, gotten rid of them. Closing the stack does it. > > Bug? Not sure, but if so it's pretty minor. You can remove the selection handles by switching tools, by changing cards (if the card doesn't have the same group on it,) or by a message box command: select empty -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at mollysrevenge.com Mon Feb 22 13:21:04 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:21:04 -0800 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <20100222180005.D60AC288345@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100222180005.D60AC288345@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> Thanks Scott. The clock face is certainly the most familiar for users and does take up less real estate. I haven't entirely discounted it but I feel it doesn't lend itself very well to time entry on a computer. It really needs two hands for it to be the familiar clock face we're all used to (which I'm guessing would complicate the code quite a bit) and clock faces in general don't differentiate between AM and PM times. I guess that's why I'm leaning more towards the slider approach - certainly less familiar than a clock face but feels very comfortable nonetheless and I think I can find the real estate. I'll probably implement it as a small button (maybe looking like a clock!) that will popup a window with the sliders in it. Either way, thanks a lot for the code. Pete Haworth On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > From: Scott Rossi > Subject: Re: Time entry > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Pete: > > FWIW, if you have a small amount of real estate for the time entry > control, a clock face is a lot more efficient than a slider. > Regardless, yes 48 is the number of 15 minute intervals. The other > thing you may need to adjust is the width of the slider base graphic > -- it's currently wide enough to evenly accommodate tick marks for > the > 48 intervals. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design From mdswindell at cruzio.com Mon Feb 22 13:21:39 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:21:39 -0800 Subject: displaying numerous large image files quickly In-Reply-To: <6100342D-E9C1-4291-AB65-E29735166E9C@major.on-rev.com> References: <3160BFD8-9816-4DEE-B24D-50EF4F31C105@cruzio.com> <6100342D-E9C1-4291-AB65-E29735166E9C@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: This looks very promising. I'll play around with it later. Thanks, Klaus. Mark On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Mark, > >> I'm working on a simple game of concentration for the kids I teach. >> >> I have 24 small image rectangles grouped on a card that are populated in a repeat loop which sets their fileNames to line x of a list of filenames held in a variable. These files can be large images. >> >> lock screen >> put the seconds into vSecs >> repeat with x = 1 to 24 >> set the filename of image x of group "imageGroup" to line x of vPopulate >> end repeat >> unlock screen >> put (the seconds - vSecs) >> >> The above takes 5 seconds (which is close to an eternity...) >> >> Is there a faster way to make this happen, or should I simply make a progress bar and not worry about it? > > did you try to use QuickTime player objectys, if that is an option? > > I remember that I made some test a couple of years a go and the winner was a QT player, here my results from 2006. > I used a Rev image object, Trevors Enhanced QuickTime Extrenal saved I pulled an image in the desired size to disk > and I set the filename of a Rev image. > > The results are quite impressive! > Please remember that I do the tests on my "ancient" G4 with 1 Ghz but 1 GB RAM :-) > > ############################## > I set the filename of a Rev image, computed the correct size from the "formatted dimensions" and adjusted heigth/width accordingly, same for players. > Dimensions are in pixels, times in milliseconds. > > Image dimensions: 2560*1920 > Thumbnailsize: 60*60 > qtsnap2var: 572 > Rev img: 1786 > Player: 78 !!!! > > Image dimensions: 2560*1920 > Thumbnailsize: 100*100 > qtsnap2var: 585 > Rev img: 1822 > Player: 85 > > Image dimensions: 2560*1920 > Thumbnailsize: 150*150 > qtsnap2var: 563 > Rev img: 1896 > Player: 75 > > Image dimensions: 2560*1920 > Thumbnailsize: 200*200 > qtsnap2var: 585 > Rev img: 1822 > Player: 79 > > Image dimensions: 2560*1920 > Thumbnailsize: 300*300 > qtsnap2var: 780 > Rev img: 1924 > Player: 76 > > Image dimensions: 3440*2580 > Thumbnailsize: 150*150 > qtsnap2var: 742 > Rev img: 2991 > Player: 74 > ############################## > > Hope this helps! > >> Thanks >> Mark > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 22 13:26:47 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:26:47 -1000 Subject: Re-2: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <001001cab3ec$98a340d0$c9e9c270$@com> Mathias, > Thanks again, Jim. > > I thought there is a property for that. But your solution > will do. > > Regards, > > Matthias Well, "there is a property for that" ;-) Look at the custom property set cRevStandaloneSettings in the main stack that you are building the application from (after you have set the standalone settings). To view this in the property inspector, you first need to set your Rev preferences to show UI elements. So, I suppose you could use this custom property set in an *on standaloneSaved* handler. But, I believe this message is only sent to the stack that has just been built into a standalone (but I'm not sure about this), which would mean you would have to put this same code into every main stack you build into a standalone. But, maybe this is what you want to do. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From Ray at LinkIt.Com Mon Feb 22 16:37:28 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:37:28 -0800 Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <6A13E1B5-AC1E-45AF-B5B4-262332AFFB00@economy-x-talk.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <6A13E1B5-AC1E-45AF-B5B4-262332AFFB00@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <6299F9C4-75DD-4C40-835B-1302AF8373D7@LinkIt.Com> Mark, Once again, thanks for your input on this. Here's my conclusion. I can either: 1) Print only the browser part of the card and get clear text 2) Print only the non-browser part of the card and get clear text 3) Print both the browser and non-browser parts (via snap shot) and get fuzzy text I think we can live with this limitation so we'll probably go with number 1. Thanks, Ray On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Yes, indeed, the printing quality will be bad, but at least you'll > be able to print something at all. > > Do you have any good reason the believe that the revBrowserPrint > command produces better results? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development > projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. > > Op 22 feb 2010, om 17:01 heeft Ray Horsley het volgende geschreven: > >> Mark, >> >> Thanks for this suggestion, but wouldn't that make the print-out >> grainy when it comes to the text portion of the print-out? My >> experience is that printing images of text is usually kind of >> grainy as compared with printing the actual text fonts (even if >> they're substituted by printer fonts). I can easily try it on my >> own printers but that may not reveal what will happen on other >> printers. What do you think? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 22 13:53:30 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:53:30 -0800 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: <4B82C618.6090102@gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7DF8F0.5020001@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7E2DFB.3050409@gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002220358u4370e2f4xcff8159badafc034@mail.gmail.com> <4B82C618.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you take the stance that men are capable of deciding what is absolutely moral and immoral, then your objections might carry some weight. What is unfortunate to your point of view, is that men often develop quite different standards of morality. Not entirely foreign mind you, only stricter or less "confining". Now when you examine the reasons why some moral standards are looser than others, what you find is that the people who went with the looser standards had a vested interest in doing so. They themselves participated in activities that the stricter standard denounced, and so rejected the parts that might have condemned their actions. Their "actions" I say, not themselves. So can you really believe that men can be trusted to objectively form their own moral standards? Does any thinking person who reads this seriously entertain that notion? All the great despots think themselves basically moral people. So do criminals. So do politicians. What we need is someone who is just like us, but has demonstrated an absolute mastery of real morality to make the call for us. Someone who has been tempted like us, but without sin. But who could that be? And would we really want him to judge us if we met him? Really? Thankfully I know such a person, and luckily for all of us, He demonstrated not only moral mastery, but also the purest kind of mercy and grace towards those who fell at His feet and asked for it. I think you know who I am talking about. No greater love has any man than that he lay down his life for his friend. So when you talk about those holding the "moral high ground", please try to see that you may be forming the notion of some bogey man in your head, and then eviscerating that image. All a good Christian is doing is repeating what that one Man and the one He called "His Father in heaven" has said. If you disagree with them, you have a much bigger problem than putting up with the messengers. Bob On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > That makes me fed up. Almost everything you do, I do, and anybody else does > is bound to offend someone. Personally I am offended by any religious group > that thinks it holds the moral high ground. I am also offended by those who > think they have some sort of licence to stick their noses in other people's > business and pass judgement. > > There are things that are morally wrong, such as murder; and it is morally > wrong because it impinges on another's freedom of action (as does > slavery). Actions or thoughts that are held to be morally wrong are > rather hard to justify empirically and, as such, are probably held to be > morally wrong because of either religious beliefs or religiously determined > cultural beliefs (to explain that we should consider many atheists who hold > that homosexuality is wrong - but when you try to pin them down you > find that their set of values is normally based on the religion they make such > a noise about despising). > > I really wish people could begin to see past the "wrappings" of gender, > sexuality, race and so on, to the individuals within. All religions make it > clear that God looks on us all with equal favour - and that should suffice. From jim at visitrieve.com Mon Feb 22 13:59:01 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:59:01 -1000 Subject: Re-2: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <001101cab3f1$19596660$4c0c3320$@com> I see now that Jacque already answered the question about a property approximately 15-minutes before I did. ;-) She's a "fast" woman. LOL Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Jacque wrote: > runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > > Thanks again, Jim. > > > > I thought there is a property for that. > > Yes, there is. Actually there is one for each OS you are building for. > They are in the custom property set called "cRevStandaloneSettings". If > you turn on "View UI Elements in Lists" under the View menu, and then > inspect the stack, you will see the custom property set and all the > available values. For example, the OS X property is called "OSX.name". > > You can retrieve each name by using something like this: > > get the cRevStandaloneSettings["OSX.name"] of this stack > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 22 14:07:44 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:07:44 -0800 Subject: Re-2: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <001101cab3f1$19596660$4c0c3320$@com> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> <001101cab3f1$19596660$4c0c3320$@com> Message-ID: <141843501046.20100222110744@ahsoftware.net> Jim- Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:59:01 AM, you wrote: > I see now that Jacque already answered the question about a property > approximately 15-minutes before I did. ;-) She's a "fast" woman. LOL And that's even considering that with the timezone difference she should be posting some five hours later in the day than you. She really knows how to put that timetravel stack to good use. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon Feb 22 14:08:40 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:08:40 +0000 Subject: Re-4: on standalonesaved Message-ID: <00000B60.4B82E447@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Thanks Jacque and Jim, i appreciate your help. :) Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Re-2: on standalonesaved (22-Feb-2010 20:03) From: Jim Bufalini To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > I see now that Jacque already answered the question about a property > approximately 15-minutes before I did. ;-) She's a "fast" woman. LOL > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > Jacque wrote: > > > runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > > > Thanks again, Jim. > > > > > > I thought there is a property for that. > > > > Yes, there is. Actually there is one for each OS you are building for. > > They are in the custom property set called "cRevStandaloneSettings". If > > you turn on "View UI Elements in Lists" under the View menu, and then > > inspect the stack, you will see the custom property set and all the > > available values. For example, the OS X property is called "OSX.name". > > > > You can retrieve each name by using something like this: > > > > get the cRevStandaloneSettings["OSX.name"] of this stack > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 22 14:34:09 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:34:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem In-Reply-To: <4B82BB65.208@gmail.com> References: <201002220916.34720.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <33A7762D-A699-4B74-9CB7-AE756D47CA01@azurevision.co.uk> <1266836495408-1564255.post@n4.nabble.com> <4B82697C.8080802@gmail.com> <5C908A81-BD78-44D4-A75E-1B6B32977F4F@azurevision.co.uk> <4B82BB65.208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266867249660-1565000.post@n4.nabble.com> I'm not sure we have a real definition of the problem. It seems that on Debian based installs, some ways of installing fonts lead to Rev not being able to see them. But what difference is there between a font installed as part of the distribution, and one installed afterwords? Also, why is it that on Mandriva, this does not seem to be an issue? The thing I cannot get my head around is why Rev is the only package that can't see all the installed fonts, and only the installed fonts. And where are the extra fonts Rev seems to be able to see coming from? This is a powerful argument that it is something Rev is doing. In the same way, Rev seems to be the only package that cannot handle multiple desktops in the standard way, again an argument to suggest that its something Rev is doing differently. We need help from a Rev guru. I'm very happy to help with any testing that he or she might want us to do, but I'd really like to see the effort directed by someone in Rev development. We would have a better chance of getting to the bottom of it quickly. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Here-s-a-concrete-example-of-the-linux-font-problem-tp1564162p1565000.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 22 14:45:19 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:45:19 -0800 Subject: Re-2: on standalonesaved In-Reply-To: <141843501046.20100222110744@ahsoftware.net> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> <001101cab3f1$19596660$4c0c3320$@com> <141843501046.20100222110744@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <95AFC018-0E55-4527-BC88-79593C4592FB@twft.com> On Feb 22, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jim- > > Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:59:01 AM, you wrote: > >> I see now that Jacque already answered the question about a property >> approximately 15-minutes before I did. ;-) She's a "fast" woman. LOL > > And that's even considering that with the timezone difference she > should be posting some five hours later in the day than you. She > really knows how to put that timetravel stack to good use. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Oh I know! She stole my Revolution coffee cup yesterday! Bob From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 22 15:30:13 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:30:13 -0600 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic (was: Re-2: on standalonesaved) In-Reply-To: <95AFC018-0E55-4527-BC88-79593C4592FB@twft.com> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> <001101cab3f1$19596660$4c0c3320$@com> <141843501046.20100222110744@ahsoftware.net> <95AFC018-0E55-4527-BC88-79593C4592FB@twft.com> Message-ID: <4B82E955.6000505@hyperactivesw.com> Mixing replies, here: Bob Sneidar wrote: > On Feb 22, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Jim- >> >> Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:59:01 AM, you wrote: >> >>> I see now that Jacque already answered the question about a property >>> approximately 15-minutes before I did. ;-) She's a "fast" woman. LOL You should have seen me when I was younger. ;) >> And that's even considering that with the timezone difference she >> should be posting some five hours later in the day than you. She >> really knows how to put that timetravel stack to good use. I will have pretty soon. But for now it's mostly a case of Jim joining Sarah in my brain, which you'd think I'd notice, but I was obviously elsewhere. I hope they're happy in there, it's a bit of a mess from where I stand. > Oh I know! She stole my Revolution coffee cup yesterday! You're just lucky that's all I took. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 22 15:41:35 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:41:35 EST Subject: Odd selection hangup Message-ID: <13ac0.5ba032a9.38b445ff@aol.com> Stephen. No. It lingers, as I said. Craig From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 22 15:43:28 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:43:28 EST Subject: Odd selection hangup Message-ID: <13c00.7bd22a0c.38b44670@aol.com> Now Jacques, if it was that ordinary, do you think I would have bothered this list? Stuck, I say. Or are others unable to reproduce this? Craig In a message dated 2/22/10 1:16:34 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes: > Not sure, but if so it's pretty minor. You can remove the selection > handles by switching tools, by changing cards (if the card doesn't have > the same group on it,) or by a message box command:? select empty > From Ray at LinkIt.Com Mon Feb 22 19:00:32 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:00:32 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> I thought I'd add a line of text to a url displayed via the RevBrowser commands. Here's the general idea: put revBrowserGet(sBrowserId,"htmlText") into myHtmlText -- add a line of text to the top of the revBrowserSet sBrowserId,"htmlText",myHtmlText I can get the htmlText, but it looks funny in the variable watcher with weird characters and, even if I don't add a line to it, when I user revBrowserSet to put it back it comes out funny looking. Uniencoding and decoding doesn't work. Ideas? Ray Horsley LinkIt! Software From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:41:48 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:41:48 +1000 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rolf Kocherhans wrote: > Hello all > > I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) > > > I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it > to display e.g. email adresses. > > Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other > times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. > > I now noticed that the iPhones address application, > automatically reduces the font size to be able to always > display the whole address. Here is the routine I use: -- shrink font until it fits, down to a minimum of 8 set the textSize of fld tFieldName to 12 put 12 into tStartSize repeat 4 times if the formattedWidth of fld tFieldName > the width of fld tFieldName then subtract 1 from tStartSize set the textSize of fld tFieldName to tStartSize else exit repeat end if end repeat show fld tFieldName If the font gets to size 8 and the text is still not all fitting into the field, then maybe you need to truncate it. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:45:27 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:45:27 +1000 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic (was: Re-2: on standalonesaved) In-Reply-To: <4B82E955.6000505@hyperactivesw.com> References: <00000B5B.4B82C2E6@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B82C93B.7070009@hyperactivesw.com> <001101cab3f1$19596660$4c0c3320$@com> <141843501046.20100222110744@ahsoftware.net> <95AFC018-0E55-4527-BC88-79593C4592FB@twft.com> <4B82E955.6000505@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > I will have pretty soon. But for now it's mostly a case of Jim joining Sarah > in my brain, which you'd think I'd notice, but I was obviously elsewhere. I > hope they're happy in there, it's a bit of a mess from where I stand. Sorry, I just stepped out for a while. You're on your own in there Jim :-) Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:50:22 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:50:22 +1000 Subject: Data grid columns headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Feb 21, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> So, Trevor: it would be better not to allow an empty column header if >> this is going to cause irretrievable errors. > > I just submitted a fix for the next version. Thanks Trevor. I realise now that I should have changed the label, not the name and that's what I did when I recovered. But it's good to prevent such things anyway. Cheers, Sarah From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 22 17:00:03 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:00:03 -0600 Subject: Odd selection hangup In-Reply-To: <13c00.7bd22a0c.38b44670@aol.com> References: <13c00.7bd22a0c.38b44670@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B82FE63.2050100@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Now Jacques, if it was that ordinary, do you think I would have bothered > this list? > > Stuck, I say. Or are others unable to reproduce this? Okay, you made me look. I can reproduce it. If you right-click on the object the selection handles go away. I think this is because the IDE needs to trap that message, both so it can handle it to update its own property inspectors, and so it can pass it on to plugins that use it. At the end of the IDE handler is a note that says not to pass the message or else you get duplicates. It looks to me like it is a necessary evil. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 22 17:25:00 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:25:00 -0800 Subject: Locking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another thing to consider is that the US post office has standard abbreviations for everything, and in fact strongly encourage you to use them. So if you are using Boulevard instead of BLVD, or Street instead of ST, then perhaps you should consider a search and replace function for all the standard abbreviations? Also, you can use the pound sign (#) for apartment, suite, etc, allowing you to further truncate your addresses. Really, almost all US addresses are designed to fit onto a standard mailing label, if properly formatted. If not, you always have a second or even third line you can use for addressing. Bob On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rolf Kocherhans > wrote: >> Hello all >> >> I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) >> >> >> I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it >> to display e.g. email adresses. >> >> Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other >> times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. >> >> I now noticed that the iPhones address application, >> automatically reduces the font size to be able to always >> display the whole address. > > > Here is the routine I use: > > -- shrink font until it fits, down to a minimum of 8 > set the textSize of fld tFieldName to 12 > put 12 into tStartSize > repeat 4 times > if the formattedWidth of fld tFieldName > the width of > fld tFieldName then > subtract 1 from tStartSize > set the textSize of fld tFieldName to tStartSize > else > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > show fld tFieldName > > If the font gets to size 8 and the text is still not all fitting into > the field, then maybe you need to truncate it. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 22 17:43:38 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:43:38 EST Subject: Odd selection hangup Message-ID: <17aad.4e7b73a5.38b4629a@aol.com> Jacques. Nope. But I could have been clearer. 1- Put the following script into any object: on selectedObjectChanged set the selected of the target to "false" end selectedObjectChanged 2- Select the object by dragging over it in edit mode. 3- Go back to browse mode. 4- Comment out the script, just for effect. Don't forget to compile. 5- The handles linger. Change tools, go to the next card, do anythiing at all except close the stack and reopen. I agree it is a minor thing, and, per Richard, there are better ways to implement this odd requirement. Just, er, bugs me. Craig From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Feb 22 17:53:32 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:53:32 -0300 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> Check the HTML encoding on the source. You may be adding some special chars from Mac character set and the HTML might be using something else. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > I thought I'd add a line of text to a url displayed via the RevBrowser > commands. Here's the general idea: > > put revBrowserGet(sBrowserId,"htmlText") into myHtmlText > -- add a line of text to the top of therevBrowserSet > sBrowserId,"htmlText",myHtmlText > > I can get the htmlText, but it looks funny in the variable watcher with > weird characters and, even if I don't add a line to it, when I user > revBrowserSet to put it back it comes out funny looking. Uniencoding and > decoding doesn't work. > > Ideas? > > Ray Horsley > LinkIt! Software > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Mon Feb 22 18:11:05 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:11:05 -0800 Subject: Odd selection hangup In-Reply-To: <17aad.4e7b73a5.38b4629a@aol.com> References: <17aad.4e7b73a5.38b4629a@aol.com> Message-ID: I think you have to pass it for the IDE to do it's thing. Otherwise the IDE will never get the message and therefore it will do nothing about it. Not only are you trapping the fact that it got selected, but you are trapping your own deselection of it. Bob On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:43 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Jacques. > > Nope. > > But I could have been clearer. > > 1- Put the following script into any object: > > > > 2- Select the object by dragging over it in edit mode. > 3- Go back to browse mode. > 4- Comment out the script, just for effect. Don't forget to compile. > 5- The handles linger. Change tools, go to the next card, do anythiing at > all except close the stack and reopen. > > I agree it is a minor thing, and, per Richard, there are better ways to > implement this odd requirement. > > Just, er, bugs me. > > Craig > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Mon Feb 22 18:45:01 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:45:01 EST Subject: Yet an Odder selection hangup Message-ID: <19a00.594dc2e2.38b470fd@aol.com> Here is a better one, if anybody is listening. There is more going on than first appears. Create two objects. Place this script in object 1: on selectedObjectChanged set the selected of the target to false end selectedObjectChanged Go into edit mode and drag across object 1. Yes, the handles linger, and by the way you can only resize, not relocate, that object. Now and forever. Change modes. I don't care. Next... Get back to edit mode and drag object 2 around. Works fine. If you start a drag outisde that object, it doesn't move. (why should it?). If you now select object 2, and start a drag inside OBJECT 1, it does move. You cannot relocate object 1, but you can relocate object 2. Arcane, but a bug. Craig Newman From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 22 19:01:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:01:01 -0600 Subject: Yet an Odder selection hangup In-Reply-To: <19a00.594dc2e2.38b470fd@aol.com> References: <19a00.594dc2e2.38b470fd@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B831ABD.30108@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Here is a better one, if anybody is listening. There is more going on than > first appears. > > Create two objects. Place this script in object 1: > > on selectedObjectChanged > set the selected of the target to false > end selectedObjectChanged > > Go into edit mode and drag across object 1. Yes, the handles linger, and by > the way you can only resize, not relocate, that object. Now and forever. > Change modes. I don't care. > > Next... > > Get back to edit mode and drag object 2 around. Works fine. If you start a > drag outisde that object, it doesn't move. (why should it?). > > If you now select object 2, and start a drag inside OBJECT 1, it does move. > You cannot relocate object 1, but you can relocate object 2. > > Arcane, but a bug. Bob's right, you need to pass the message. Otherwise the IDE backscript won't get it (so it can't handle selections) and the engine won't get it either. Tests with the browse tool won't do anything because the message is not sent with that tool. Right-clicking does work here to deselect the object, but only when done with the edit tool. A quick test shows the behavior I think you're expecting if you pass the message. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 19:27:58 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:27:58 +0100 Subject: [ANN] The Slug's Color Picker is now on the road for beta test Message-ID: <64bda6471002221627w40a2c531p2f59f1a996258d88@mail.gmail.com> Hello friends! A simple color picker is available on my site. This is my first stack with RR. I seeking now some volunteers to test it, give me some feedback and report bugs that I have missed. 8-) You will find the stack and a small preview here: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc TIA Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From Ray at LinkIt.Com Mon Feb 22 23:01:32 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:01:32 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> Andr?, Thanks for the tip! Is the HTML encoding a property as in get the htmlEnccoding of myVar, or is it something else? Thanks, Ray On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Check the HTML encoding on the source. > > You may be adding some special chars from Mac character set and the > HTML > might be using something else. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> I thought I'd add a line of text to a url displayed via the >> RevBrowser >> commands. Here's the general idea: >> >> put revBrowserGet(sBrowserId,"htmlText") into myHtmlText >> -- add a line of text to the top of therevBrowserSet >> sBrowserId,"htmlText",myHtmlText >> >> I can get the htmlText, but it looks funny in the variable watcher >> with >> weird characters and, even if I don't add a line to it, when I user >> revBrowserSet to put it back it comes out funny looking. >> Uniencoding and >> decoding doesn't work. >> >> Ideas? >> >> Ray Horsley >> LinkIt! Software >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Mon Feb 22 20:20:59 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:20:59 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > Is the HTML encoding a property as in get the htmlEnccoding of > myVar, or is it something else? > Fields have the htmlText property since they display text. Variables don't display text. You can put the htmlText of fld 1 into a variable, or a custom property, or write it to a file. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Mon Feb 22 23:11:00 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:11:00 -0800 Subject: Trapping Cancel on Ask Dialogue Message-ID: This will sound like a NewBee question, but I can't find the answer. I want to trap when someone click on the Cancel button on a Ask Dialogue For example Ask "How old are you?" How do I know if someone click on the Cancel button. It is what they respond. Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 22 23:39:19 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:39:19 -0600 Subject: Trapping Cancel on Ask Dialogue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B835BF7.6040509@hyperactivesw.com> RevList wrote: > This will sound like a NewBee question, but I can't find the answer. > > I want to trap when someone click on the Cancel button on a Ask Dialogue > > > For example Ask "How old are you?" > > How do I know if someone click on the Cancel button. It is what they > respond. It's in "the result": if the result = "cancel" then... This is mentioned in the dictionary under the "ask command" entry. You can also check to see if "it" is empty, because both cancel and no response both blank out the "it" variable. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From josh at dvcreators.net Mon Feb 22 23:51:18 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0800 Subject: FYI: writing to and reading from fields much faster than locals, globals or custom properties In-Reply-To: <003201cab1e8$93428660$b9c79320$@com> References: <4B7D931F.5090707@fourthworld.com> <002c01cab1d8$38a32a30$a9e97e90$@com> <002d01cab1db$a6c5de60$f4519b20$@com> <3B2D1181-BDF5-4C82-B6D9-951912F89AE6@dvcreators.net> <003201cab1e8$93428660$b9c79320$@com> Message-ID: <646C74F2-9A4F-453B-9AEA-76B9D5E09D45@dvcreators.net> On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> Oops. >> >> I learned coding from an old guy in an alley, that's why. :-) >> >> When a handler is not event driven, but just looping, monitoring >> something, and keeps calling itself, what is the proper term? > > Recursion or recursive. This is the same as a tight loop because the handler > never ends until the recursive calling stops. Hence, without waits *with > messages* you will have a sluggish GUI. Just FYI, we were using: if "monitorExternalProcess" is not in the pendingMessages then send "monitorExternalProcess" to me in 1 milliseconds That's why I was calling it a "1 millisecond loop". Since this only calls itself once at a time, it's not recursive, right? > Also, you could easily hit the > recursive limit if the condition you are looking for does not occur as you > expect, and your program will crash. > > Use instead: > > send "" to me in 1 millisecond > > This will solve all of your problems of allowing the GUI to be responsive > and avoid hitting the recursion limit. > > One thing to be aware of though, in any case, of using *wait... with > messages* or sending in time. The time factor is not absolute. If, for > example, a handler that takes 10 milliseconds to execute is triggered then > there will be 10 milliseconds between executions of your "in-time loops" > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 23:52:23 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:52:23 -0600 Subject: on-rev and coda Message-ID: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> Has anyone here successfully connected to on-rev with coda for editing their web pages? If so, what were the settings you used? Jeff M. From josh at dvcreators.net Tue Feb 23 00:12:10 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:12:10 -0800 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> References: <20100222180005.D60AC288345@mail.runrev.com> <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <4AC2DB24-5804-43FF-9C67-B3548C69839B@dvcreators.net> Here is a text entry field so that a user can enter a time in a field in a "shorthand" and get a full, properly formatted date out of it. Here are some examples: enter this = get this 1 = 1:00 PM 12 = 12:00 PM 123 = 1:23 PM 1234 = 12:34 PM add an "a" at the end for am, like: 1a = 1:00 AM We have been using this for a few years and everyone really likes it, it seems intuitive and faster than any other method of entering a time. field script: ON enterInField convertTime END enterInField ON returnInField convertTime END returnInField ON closeField convertTime END closeField put this somewhere in the message path: ON convertTime put the text of the target into t IF (char -1 to -2 of t = "am") OR (char -1 of t = "a") THEN put "AM" into ampm ELSE put "PM" into ampm END IF REPEAT for each char c in t IF c is a number THEN put c after t2 END REPEAT SWITCH CASE the number of chars of t2 < 3 put ":00" after t2 break CASE the number of chars of t2 = 3 put char 1 of t2 & ":" & char 2 to 3 of t2 into t2 break CASE the number of chars of t2 = 4 put char 1 to 2 of t2 & ":" & char 3 to 4 of t2 into t2 break END SWITCH put space & ampm after t2 put t2 into the target END convertTime On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Scott. The clock face is certainly the most familiar for users and does take up less real estate. I haven't entirely discounted it but I feel it doesn't lend itself very well to time entry on a computer. It really needs two hands for it to be the familiar clock face we're all used to (which I'm guessing would complicate the code quite a bit) and clock faces in general don't differentiate between AM and PM times. I guess that's why I'm leaning more towards the slider approach - certainly less familiar than a clock face but feels very comfortable nonetheless and I think I can find the real estate. I'll probably implement it as a small button (maybe looking like a clock!) that will popup a window with the sliders in it. > > Either way, thanks a lot for the code. > > Pete Haworth > > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> From: Scott Rossi >> Subject: Re: Time entry >> To: How to use Revolution >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi Pete: >> >> FWIW, if you have a small amount of real estate for the time entry >> control, a clock face is a lot more efficient than a slider. >> Regardless, yes 48 is the number of 15 minute intervals. The other >> thing you may need to adjust is the width of the slider base graphic >> -- it's currently wide enough to evenly accommodate tick marks for the 48 intervals. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From vokey at uleth.ca Tue Feb 23 00:26:13 2010 From: vokey at uleth.ca (Vokey, John) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:26:13 -0700 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic (was: Re-2: on standalonesaved) In-Reply-To: <20100223041102.CBAE22883DF@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100223041102.CBAE22883DF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I would absolutely loved to have been invited (can you just imagine all the amazing insights Jacqueline keeps hidden in there simply because she doesn't realize how we would all benefit if she just let it all out?). That said, it does seems a bit creepy, and I suspect my wife would have words. On 2010-02-22, at 9:11 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> I will have pretty soon. But for now it's mostly a case of Jim joining Sarah >> in my brain, which you'd think I'd notice, but I was obviously elsewhere. I >> hope they're happy in there, it's a bit of a mess from where I stand. > > > Sorry, I just stepped out for a while. You're on your own in there Jim :-) > > Sarah -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Tue Feb 23 02:23:11 2010 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:23:11 +0100 Subject: Looking for an idea to .... In-Reply-To: <20100222122156.115892882C9@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100222122156.115892882C9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <83AE857D-418F-48D2-9959-78DDAF6158EE@id.uzh.ch> Thanks: Mark, Craig, Andre B. , Andre G. , Sarah and Bob :-) ! I will investigate all of your tips and ideas and post the best solution "for my purpose" on the list when I am ready. Thank you all for your help ! I just love this list. Cheers Rolf Am 22.02.2010 um 13:21 schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com: > Hello all > > I am looking for an idea to the following problem :-) > > > I have a non focused label text field of a fixed length, I use it > to display e.g. email adresses. > > Sometimes the email address fits into the field, but other > times the email address ist to long, so I only see 80% of it. > > I now noticed that the iPhones address application, > automatically reduces the font size to be able to always > display the whole address. > > Very clever ! > > My Label field does not have a monospaced font > I use (Lucida Grande), I have no clue how to replicating this behavior. > > > Does anybody have an idea how I can do the same with revTalk ? > > > Cheers > Rolf __________________________________________________________________ Rolf Kocherhans Informatikdienste Client Systems mailto:rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Universit?t Z?rich http://www.id.uzh.ch/ R?mistrasse 74/Fach 99 Telephone: (+41) 44 634 23 79 CH-8001 Z?rich SWITZERLAND Faximile : (+41) 44 634 43 47 __________________________________________________________________ From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 02:30:40 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:30:40 +0000 Subject: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002160736v2745ed08v97729828f61a7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4B7F9BFD.1020808@hyperactivesw.com> <4B7FA552.10600@gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002220358u4370e2f4xcff8159badafc034@mail.gmail.com> <4B82C618.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please let's stop this discussion about religion and morality. Those who like to judge the lives of others, and those who think 'live and let live' are never going to agree. They're incommensurable positions. My apologies for having caused this. Whilst many others have felt free to mention their personal lives on this list without judgement, it's why I have kept quiet all these years. If this discussion continues I'm sure that people will become more offended. I knew it wouldn't be long before Hitler or Pol Pot was brought up. But even I'm surprised how quickly it happened :-) Let's just get back to what matters to all of us - Revolution! Bernard From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue Feb 23 02:48:11 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:48:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can browser send a command to a servlet? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002221627w40a2c531p2f59f1a996258d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <751187.25668.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The following lesson shows how to send a command from a revlet to the browser. http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/8173-How-do-I-communicate-with-the-browser-from-a-plugin- Might anyone know how to go the other way: click a button on the browser and have it do something in the revlet. The goal, of course, is to make the roundtrip. Thanks in advance, Mike From effendi at wanadoo.fr Tue Feb 23 08:00:13 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:00:13 +0100 Subject: Trapping Cancel on Ask Dialogue Message-ID: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Stewart, It's in the book The contents of the text box is placed in the it variable. If the user cancels the dialog, the it variable is set to empty and the result function returns "cancel". -Francis From DunbarX at aol.com Tue Feb 23 09:16:58 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:16:58 EST Subject: Yet an Odder selection hangup Message-ID: <4f2c.4750f0c5.38b53d5a@aol.com> Jacques. We are talking about different things, it seems. Passing the message does nothing. I will drop it, but I don't get it. Craig In a message dated 2/22/10 7:01:24 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes: > Bob's right, you need to pass the message. Otherwise the IDE backscript > won't get it (so it can't handle selections) and the engine won't get it > either. > From Ray at LinkIt.Com Tue Feb 23 12:38:07 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:38:07 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim, but we may be speaking of two different things here. I'm really not setting the htmlText of a field at all. Instead, I'm using the RevBrowse library of commands to display a URL. The goal is to get the source code of the html (like you would with 'View Source' in a browser), alter it, and then use the RevBrowse commands once again to re-display the new URL. The way I'm getting the source code is using something like: put revBrowserGet(sBrowserId,"htmlText") into mySourceCode I'd then like to alter it and put it back with something like: revBrowserSet sBrowserId,"htmlText", mySourceCode The problem is, even if I don't alter it and simply put it back as I found it I don't get the same display. Any further ideas are always appreciated! Thanks, Ray On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >> Is the HTML encoding a property as in get the htmlEnccoding of >> myVar, or is it something else? >> > Fields have the htmlText property since they display text. > Variables don't display text. > You can put the htmlText of fld 1 into a variable, or a custom > property, or write it to a file. > > Hope this helps. > > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 09:48:54 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:48:54 -0600 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: >The problem is, even if I don't alter it and simply put it back as I found it I don't get the same display. Could it be that the differences in the display have to do with formatting based on a CSS file for the original page? If so, maybe you could check the original source for the reference to the CSS file, parse out that info and grab the CSS file also? I'm probably way off base as usual, but it's a thought at least... David C. From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 10:11:03 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:03 -0300 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002230711v57df84c1pff859a35b62227e7@mail.gmail.com> Ray, can you send me or us, the htmltext prior to your insertion and after it? Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > Thanks Jim, but we may be speaking of two different things here. I'm > really not setting the htmlText of a field at all. Instead, I'm using the > RevBrowse library of commands to display a URL. The goal is to get the > source code of the html (like you would with 'View Source' in a browser), > alter it, and then use the RevBrowse commands once again to re-display the > new URL. > > The way I'm getting the source code is using something like: > > put revBrowserGet(sBrowserId,"htmlText") into mySourceCode > > I'd then like to alter it and put it back with something like: > > revBrowserSet sBrowserId,"htmlText", mySourceCode > > The problem is, even if I don't alter it and simply put it back as I found > it I don't get the same display. > > Any further ideas are always appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Ray > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >> >>> Is the HTML encoding a property as in get the htmlEnccoding of myVar, or >>> is it something else? >>> >>> Fields have the htmlText property since they display text. >> Variables don't display text. >> You can put the htmlText of fld 1 into a variable, or a custom property, >> or write it to a file. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> Jim Ault >> Las Vegas >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From livfoss at mac.com Tue Feb 23 11:00:46 2010 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:00:46 +0100 Subject: How do I 'see' if an object has a behavior? Message-ID: This is a very simple-minded question, but I haven't used behaviors very much. While examining Scott Rossi's charming time-setting stack, I looked at the properties of one of the sliders and noticed that there was no mention of its behavior in any of the inspection categories. However, if I put put the behavior of graphic "startslider" into the Message Box, sure enough, I get the long ID of the button containing the behavior script. So if I didn't know in advance that an object had a behavior, how would I know? Have I just missed something in the Property Inspector? Nothing to be seen in the User docs (but then searching it is tough). Feeling foolish Graham From bobcole at earthlink.net Tue Feb 23 11:03:59 2010 From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Robert Cole) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:03:59 -0600 Subject: geek-meter might go right into overload Message-ID: I saw this article today about the iPhone and Photoshop. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/23/found-footage-photoshop-v1-0-recreated-on-iphone/ The second paragraph of the article contains a reference to HyperCard. I wonder if the author knows about Revolution. FYI, Bob From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 11:28:37 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:28:37 -0300 Subject: Project Euler Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> Hi There Folks, I don't know if you guys are familiar with http://www.projecteuler.net which is officially a very fun project according to my own concepts of fun. It is a repository of mathematical problems which require more than simple math to solve, it usually require some programming. You can go solving your problems and getting scores. I just solved the first one in Rev. "Add all the natural numbers below one thousand that are multiples of 3 or 5." Now, the second one is giving me trouble... rsrsrsrs "Find the sum of all the even-valued terms in the Fibonacci sequence which do not exceed four million." I think I am going to reach the upper limits of rev math with it. :D -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From DunbarX at aol.com Tue Feb 23 11:49:10 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:49:10 EST Subject: How do I 'see' if an object has a behavior? Message-ID: Maybe I will learn something too, but the behavior should be at the very bottom of the "basic Properties" tab in the inspector. Craig Newman From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Feb 23 11:49:31 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:49:31 +0100 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> Andre, on mouseUp put "0,1" into mySequence put 0 into mySum repeat put the last item of mySequence into myCurrentNumber if myCurrentNumber < 4E6 then if myCurrentNumber mod 2 is 0 then add myCurrentNumber to mySum put myCurrentNumber & comma & (item 1 of mySequence + myCurrentNumber) into mySequence else exit repeat end repeat put mySum end mouseUp -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 23 feb 2010, om 17:28 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven: > Hi There Folks, > > I don't know if you guys are familiar with http:// > www.projecteuler.net which > is officially a very fun project according to my own concepts of > fun. It is > a repository of mathematical problems which require more than simple > math to > solve, it usually require some programming. You can go solving your > problems > and getting scores. I just solved the first one in Rev. > > "Add all the natural numbers below one thousand that are multiples > of 3 or > 5." > > Now, the second one is giving me trouble... rsrsrsrs > > "Find the sum of all the even-valued terms in the Fibonacci sequence > which > do not exceed four million." > > I think I am going to reach the upper limits of rev math with it. > > :D From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 11:56:38 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:56:38 -0300 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> Mark, you're the man! I was doing something so complex that I can't believe myself! That is very elegant, I like the way you replace the sequence, I was keeping them all doing lots of loops. Thanks for this solution! wonderful! :D Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Andre, > > on mouseUp > put "0,1" into mySequence > put 0 into mySum > repeat > put the last item of mySequence into myCurrentNumber > if myCurrentNumber < 4E6 then > if myCurrentNumber mod 2 is 0 then add myCurrentNumber to > mySum > put myCurrentNumber & comma & (item 1 of mySequence + > myCurrentNumber) into mySequence > else exit repeat > end repeat > put mySum > end mouseUp > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. > Feel free to contact me for a quote. > > Op 23 feb 2010, om 17:28 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven: > > > Hi There Folks, >> >> I don't know if you guys are familiar with http://www.projecteuler.netwhich >> is officially a very fun project according to my own concepts of fun. It >> is >> a repository of mathematical problems which require more than simple math >> to >> solve, it usually require some programming. You can go solving your >> problems >> and getting scores. I just solved the first one in Rev. >> >> "Add all the natural numbers below one thousand that are multiples of 3 or >> 5." >> >> Now, the second one is giving me trouble... rsrsrsrs >> >> "Find the sum of all the even-valued terms in the Fibonacci sequence which >> do not exceed four million." >> >> I think I am going to reach the upper limits of rev math with it. >> >> :D >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 11:58:09 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:09 -0800 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <4AC2DB24-5804-43FF-9C67-B3548C69839B@dvcreators.net> References: <20100222180005.D60AC288345@mail.runrev.com> <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> <4AC2DB24-5804-43FF-9C67-B3548C69839B@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Thanks Josh! Very handy! It's now a part of my utility stack! :-) Bob On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Here is a text entry field so that a user can enter a time in a field in a "shorthand" and get a full, properly formatted date out of it. From dan at clearvisiontech.com Tue Feb 23 12:03:04 2010 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:03:04 -0800 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Hello... Is there a way to have an icon on a button and have the label centered, but not under the button? I know if you set the textStyle to left or right, then the icon is centered. But, if you set the textStyle to centered, then the text lies below the icon. My goal is to use a custom button graphic (up and down states) and the button name (label) would display normally, over the icon. Any insight would be appreciated. -Dan From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 12:03:47 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:03:47 +0800 Subject: Search / replace In-Reply-To: <7696D4B5-C1FE-4902-99D2-93FF4DD75DEE@kagi.com> References: <3d8af4151002191857g3e6493a5jc4142513d4b66f4@mail.gmail.com> <36E8F795-80E9-406F-9B31-EC7C7382955F@kagi.com> <007b01cab29a$312841b0$9378c510$@com> <7696D4B5-C1FE-4902-99D2-93FF4DD75DEE@kagi.com> Message-ID: Folks, because I was the first one to suggest the use of offset() I feel it's my duty to advise all that although it was an answer to the question, it isn't a suitable solution to the problem. I'm a little surprised that Richard The Benchmark Obsessive hasn't already jumped all over this but as my plane home is delayed out of New York I've had a bit of time to run some tests and here are the results. Firstly I created a script that would write a set number of lines of data. A line of data randomly consists of 1 to 10 'sentences'. Each sentence randomly consists of 10 to 20 'words'. Each word randomly consist of 3 to 8 chars. Each char randomly consists of 33 to 122 converted with numToChar() - therefore the [ char also appears randomly in the data. Each line randomly either has no 'n[' (n = 1-9) in it; n[ randomly at the beginning and/or in the content, and/or at the end. Each n[ randomly has a space before and/or after it. The sample single line below contains ten n[ eight of which have spaces on both sides, 2 of which are immediately followed by a char. It happens that it doesn't contain an example of a n[ immediately following a char. There are eleven [ in the line that do not have a digit before it. Here is a sample line: ILld7l~ 4M*g$n 0DTg8 uQz]Y7 /n4\) qA$kU?` _Y~J 70ep{gM& w")jS [Wc3+1.h jmhym3qt -4u66S vy&t6M Runyj4, ZSVjE3I! (|.4AIM# 4IQqp :1P1cn} -M/]f Qfb ZZIJ}Q .gkP~5S| "rQ!#J6M @]n='u=j YDp) "_tN =!YP k?;? )AT0g<7 YDvb]9 7[AK:@D _sLg$E4 XODJ>qe~ Qxs/V D7z-Af Un!, JPfXt< Rxl}-6N o};WIV S%:p4 2[ +Q!@ &}H ^v(Jd77/ 2[ f*O/o5 V_wl_ 15_ {-MnS{b 90vL6 QnU/D /NgC_~B) ,Dy59_O# PBFC7( ks6W at D8_ 0Za L?aIyNq ^8rD3 t;bM[c ~K{Io8 7[ $n:!Em<: */v-H 28-p4 CWef{. wsKZ, YS'=0+{ M;J^ A\u"W qaBk9~H NIlgjs(& v=% FF`9 ['n{GT* Iwetn ohAqLg k4r[/pR 2$e*u(B+ qQBL }`Y:/eD} 2[ {iJC'a ~/f` WF_'q,m V:#o *gWn|Wlk x^pV MVg+e? ib\v at 6@ 3j~ E[bGn>+A ^3?U"} jE`u fZ:}/h= 9[ <):Jb% vnQo%\N M2PCx.3 =o+gY.ST co>>"& [K.b-DSU +}IV_ LixZ KF}DX Dqo d,j_ CLMy vytAhx9O ,oV 5[ \RzCJ G&G Lc999 -wh1{ e~U~|H hKh LWV at _tfr o%6 %S`W PKL^y .?=?9Pf\ 5[ H at e cH{\=r $"`KEy >={aB4 *iY -0-] {[e 0(s77^ :x;VI IY~m~~J 4[ _o%NQ ~UG w`@! a^)WxL 2hKw#X 0w[u6 8;+U wl5K[N7) X2X#j<@ {-a0{eg After creating the data I put it into a customProp. From there I placed it into a local variable, from which I ran the scripts listed in this thread - referencing the variable, not a field. The result I placed into another customProp. Here are the results - all times in millisecs. The number of Lines: 100 The number of Words: 6377 The number of Chars: 45908 96,96,96,96,97, Min: 96 Max: 97 Avg: 96 - Jim Bufalini's offset Test 31,30,30,31,30, Min: 30 Max: 31 Avg: 30 - Igor de Oliveira Couto's repeat Test 2,2,2,2,2, Min: 2 Max: 2 Avg: 2 - Jim Ault's lineDel Test 12,11,11,11,11, Min: 11 Max: 12 Avg: 11 - Mike Bonner's regex Test 4,4,3,4,3, Min: 3 Max: 4 Avg: 4 - Kee Nethery's repeat Test The number of Lines: 1000 The number of Words: 64241 The number of Chars: 466296 9613,9610,9597,9596,9608, Min: 9596 Max: 9613 Avg: 9608 - Jim Bufalini's offset Test 833,831,834,832,832, Min: 831 Max: 834 Avg: 832 - Igor de Oliveira Couto's repeat Test 17,18,18,18,18, Min: 17 Max: 18 Avg: 18 - Jim Ault's lineDel Test 85,85,87,89,86, Min: 85 Max: 89 Avg: 86 - Mike Bonner's regex Test 28,27,28,28,28, Min: 27 Max: 28 Avg: 28 - Kee Nethery's repeat Test The number of Lines: 10000 The number of Words: 626405 The number of Chars: 4585675 --didn't even bother with offset --only did the test once 426252, Igor de Oliveira Couto's repeat Test 238, Jim Ault's lineDel Test 848, Mike Bonner's regex Test 292, Kee Nethery's repeat Test As can be clearly seen, the offset() version does not scale very well at all, and the repeat version offered by Igor is not much better once you start to work with large amounts of data. Clearly Jim A's solution scales the best with Kee's not far behind. Unfortunately the story doesn't end there. I compared the output of only 10 lines, using BBEEdit's Find Differences... and this is what I got. Jim B = Igor Jim B <> Jim A (2 lines) Jim B = Mike (1 line) Jim B <> Kee (1 line) Igor <> Jim A (2 lines) -- Igor = Mike (1 line) -- Igor <> Kee (1 line) -- all makes sense as it's the same as Jim B's Jim A <> Mike (1 line) Jim A <> Kee (1 line) Mike <> Kee (1 line) I don't have the time to find exactly where the errors are but I think one of the problems with Jim A's solution is the use of the Rev term 'word' in his script as clearly my words don't match what Rev thinks a word is. Jim A's might work in a real world case though. I quickly note that everyone removed the random [ (those without a preceding number) except for Kee, whose script left them all in place. So until further refinements are made, maybe Mike is the current solution winner. Gotta go, they're calling my flight? at last :-| From briany at qldlearning.com Tue Feb 23 12:04:46 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:04:46 -0500 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty proud of this one for #3... SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT... scroll down if you want to see. Great site find, Andre!! put 0 into total repeat with i=1 to 100 repeat with j=1 to 100 if (i=j) then next repeat add i*j to total end repeat end repeat From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 12:05:28 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:05:28 -0800 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: I was just about to say the same thing! ;-) Mark, you should post your solution, and quick! Otherwise Andre is going to do it! (j/k) Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Andre, > > on mouseUp > put "0,1" into mySequence > put 0 into mySum > repeat > put the last item of mySequence into myCurrentNumber > if myCurrentNumber < 4E6 then > if myCurrentNumber mod 2 is 0 then add myCurrentNumber to mySum > put myCurrentNumber & comma & (item 1 of mySequence + myCurrentNumber) into mySequence > else exit repeat > end repeat > put mySum > end mouseUp > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 12:09:00 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:09:00 -0800 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: I would just use a group of objects, and put the code into the group object script. It's more trouble, but you can make anything look like just about anything you want. Another approach is to import an image as a control. That way you can simply change the image out for different states. Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Hello... > > Is there a way to have an icon on a button and have the label centered, but not under the button? I know if you set the textStyle to left or right, then the icon is centered. But, if you set the textStyle to centered, then the text lies below the icon. > > My goal is to use a custom button graphic (up and down states) and the button name (label) would display normally, over the icon. > > Any insight would be appreciated. > > -Dan_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Tue Feb 23 12:09:57 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:09:57 -0500 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> Oooh, oooh! In all seriousness, it would be fun if someone compiled a set of different correct solutions to these problems. What an incredible way of showing people's different coding styles in Rev. (my solution to #2 after the break) put 0 into tot put 1 into pre put 2 into fib repeat if (fib >= 4000000) then exit repeat if (fib mod 2 = 0) then add fib to tot put fib into tmp add pre to fib put tmp into pre end repeat From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Feb 23 12:10:35 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:10:35 +0100 Subject: How do I 'see' if an object has a behavior? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5381FEA6-BD15-4DB5-A959-97E1A2F869A4@inria.fr> Le 23 f?vr. 10 ? 17:00, Graham Samuel a ?crit : > This is a very simple-minded question, but I haven't used behaviors > very much. While examining Scott Rossi's charming time-setting > stack, I looked at the properties of one of the sliders and noticed > that there was no mention of its behavior in any of the inspection > categories. However, if I put > > put the behavior of graphic "startslider" > > into the Message Box, sure enough, I get the long ID of the button > containing the behavior script. > > So if I didn't know in advance that an object had a behavior, how > would I know? Have I just missed something in the Property > Inspector? Nothing to be seen in the User docs (but then searching > it is tough). > > Feeling foolish > > Graham > _______________________________________________ Bonjour Graham, For other objects (differents kinds of button, or of fields, ) the possible behavior is mentionned at the very bottom of the "basis properties" pane in the inspector. But, your are right this seems not the case for graphics, nor for stacks which however can inherit a behavior. bizarre ;-) Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 12:10:55 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:10:55 -0300 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002230910y2bce6350k14d1b390a9aafda@mail.gmail.com> Ho Ho Ho, I am building a little stack with the solutions as buttons. There are problems 1, 2, 6 (with comments showing it was from Mark), I am working on 5 now... :D will post it to RevOnLine :D On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I was just about to say the same thing! ;-) Mark, you should post your > solution, and quick! Otherwise Andre is going to do it! (j/k) > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > > Andre, > > > > on mouseUp > > put "0,1" into mySequence > > put 0 into mySum > > repeat > > put the last item of mySequence into myCurrentNumber > > if myCurrentNumber < 4E6 then > > if myCurrentNumber mod 2 is 0 then add myCurrentNumber to > mySum > > put myCurrentNumber & comma & (item 1 of mySequence + > myCurrentNumber) into mySequence > > else exit repeat > > end repeat > > put mySum > > end mouseUp > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > Mark Schonewille > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 12:12:40 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:12:40 -0300 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> Brian, this is quite a good idea... I think we could do a RevLet, this way we could post & execute the stuff. :D Let me cook something. :D On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > Oooh, oooh! > > In all seriousness, it would be fun if someone compiled a set of different > correct solutions to these problems. What an incredible way of showing > people's different coding styles in Rev. > (my solution to #2 after the break) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put 0 into tot > put 1 into pre > put 2 into fib > repeat > if (fib >= 4000000) then exit repeat > if (fib mod 2 = 0) then add fib to tot > put fib into tmp > add pre to fib > put tmp into pre > end repeat_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 23 12:23:41 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:23:41 -0700 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Hello... > > Is there a way to have an icon on a button and have the label > centered, but not under the button? I know if you set the textStyle > to left or right, then the icon is centered. But, if you set the > textStyle to centered, then the text lies below the icon. > > My goal is to use a custom button graphic (up and down states) and > the button name (label) would display normally, over the icon. > > Any insight would be appreciated. Dan, Check out this thread from the list from one year ago: http://n4.nabble.com/Dynamic-labels-for-buttons-with-oddshaped-icon-images-td337687.html#a337687 It dealt with the very issue you're asking about. In essence, you play with the margins of the button to move the label over the icon image. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 23 12:29:37 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:29:37 -0700 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > >> Hello... >> >> Is there a way to have an icon on a button and have the label >> centered, but not under the button? I know if you set the textStyle >> to left or right, then the icon is centered. But, if you set the >> textStyle to centered, then the text lies below the icon. >> >> My goal is to use a custom button graphic (up and down states) and >> the button name (label) would display normally, over the icon. >> >> Any insight would be appreciated. > > > Dan, > > Check out this thread from the list from one year ago: > > http://n4.nabble.com/Dynamic-labels-for-buttons-with-oddshaped-icon-images-td337687.html#a337687 > > It dealt with the very issue you're asking about. In essence, you play > with the margins of the button to move the label over the icon image. And then, I'd almost forgotten, I played around with the idea and came up with the following script. The image I was using was a simple, 3-D- looking circle. The script sets the icon and a bunch of properties to superimpose the label on the image: on mouseUp put the short name of img "redCircle" into tTargetIcon set the height of btn "myBtn" to the height of img tTargetIcon set the width of btn "myBtn" to the width of img tTargetIcon put the margins of btn "myBtn" into s set the icon of btn "myBtn" to the ID of img tTargetIcon set the showBorder of btn "myBtn" to false set the opaque of btn "myBtn" to false set the textColor of btn "myBtn" to "220,255,220" set the textSize of btn "myBtn" to 14 set the textStyle of btn "myBtn" to "bold" # my massaging of Jacque's and Klaus's version --put (the height of btn "myBtn" - the textheight of btn "myBtn" - the effective textsize of btn "myBtn") div 2 into tMargin -- put the height of btn "myBtn" div 2 into tTopMarg -- put tTopMarg - (the textheight of btn "myBtn" div 2)- 1 into tBottomMarg -- set the margins of btn "myBtn" to 0,tTopMarg,0,tBottomMarg # Wilhelm's version put the icon of btn "myBtn" into tID put the height of img ID tID into timgheight set the height of btn "myBtn" to (timgheight + the textHeight of btn "myBtn") put the height of btn "myBtn" into tBtHeight # the line above to simplify the following computations put (2* (tBtHeight-(the textHeight of btn "myBtn" + the effective textSize of btn "myBtn"))) / tBtHeight into tDivFactor put (the height of btn "myBtn" - the textHeight of btn "myBtn" - the effective textSize of btn "myBtn") / tdivfactor into tMargin set the margins of btn "myBtn" to 0,tMargin,0,tMargin end mouseUp HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 12:41:25 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:41:25 -0500 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> References: <20100222180005.D60AC288345@mail.runrev.com> <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > ... and clock faces in general don't differentiate between AM and PM > times.... Here's a modification to handle AM/PM for the mousemove handler in the clock_behavior button script. What I added or changed is marked with comments: local oldHour /*** in addition to existing script locals ***/ on mouseMove X,Y if not allowDrag then exit mouseMove /*** start of addition 1 ***/ put word -1 of fld "output" of me into AMorPM if AMorPM is not in "AM,PM" then /*** this if statement is only necessary the first time the handler is run in the revised version could be taken out after the output fld has AM or PM in it ***/ put "AM" into AMorPM end if if oldHour = empty then set the itemdelimiter to ":" put item 1 of fld "output" of me into oldHour set the itemdelimiter to comma end if /*** end of addition 1 ***/ put getAngle(X,Y) into A put angleToLoc(A,xLoc,yLoc,pRad) into hourLoc set points of grc "pointer" of me to xLoc,yLoc & cr & hourLoc put (round((185 - A)*2)div 15)*15 into tMin put trunc(tMin/60) into tHour if tHour = 0 then put 12 into tHour /*** start of addition 2 ***/ if tHour = 12 and oldHour = 11 then doSwap AMorPM else if tHour = 11 and oldHour = 12 then doSwap AMorPM end if put tHour into oldHour /*** end of addition 2 ***/ put tHour & ":" & format("%02s",tMin mod 60) && AMorPM into fld "output" of me /*** note addition of "&& AMorPM" in above line ***/ end mouseMove /*** additional handler swaps AM and PM, changes the variable AMorPM by reference ***/ on doSwap @AMorPM put item itemoffset(AMorPM,"PM,AM") of "AM,PM" into AMorPM end doSwap > Either way, thanks a lot for the code. Me too -- very cool implementation, Scott! I'm saving this one. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 23 12:44:05 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:44:05 +0100 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: Hi Dan, > Hello... > > Is there a way to have an icon on a button and have the label centered, but not under the button? I know if you set the textStyle to left or right, then the icon is centered. But, if you set the textStyle to centered, then the text lies below the icon. > > My goal is to use a custom button graphic (up and down states) and the button name (label) would display normally, over the icon. > > Any insight would be appreciated. 1. you could add some votes to my 5 year old "enhancement request", maybe the mothership will pay attention to this one some time in this century... 2. Fiddle around with the MARGINS property! Doable, but unpredictable and very uncomfortable. > -Dan Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From livfoss at mac.com Tue Feb 23 12:43:45 2010 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:45 +0100 Subject: How do I 'see' if an object has a behavior? In-Reply-To: <20100223172346.AB129288192@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100223172346.AB129288192@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4F755572-089C-4AE5-A576-C66F828602C7@mac.com> Yes, I see that now... thanks for pointing it out. So should I report this anomaly as a bug, do you think? Graham On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:10:35 +0100, "Andre.Bisseret" wrote: > Le 23 f?vr. 10 ? 17:00, Graham Samuel a ?crit : > >> This is a very simple-minded question, but I haven't used behaviors >> very much. While examining Scott Rossi's charming time-setting >> stack, I looked at the properties of one of the sliders and noticed >> that there was no mention of its behavior in any of the inspection >> categories. However, if I put >> >> put the behavior of graphic "startslider" >> >> into the Message Box, sure enough, I get the long ID of the button >> containing the behavior script. >> >> So if I didn't know in advance that an object had a behavior, how >> would I know? Have I just missed something in the Property >> Inspector? Nothing to be seen in the User docs (but then searching >> it is tough). >> >> Feeling foolish >> >> Graham >> _______________________________________________ > > Bonjour Graham, > > For other objects (differents kinds of button, or of fields, ) the > possible behavior is mentionned at the very bottom of the "basis > properties" pane in the inspector. > But, your are right this seems not the case for graphics, nor for > stacks which however can inherit a behavior. > > bizarre ;-) > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Feb 23 12:52:48 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:52:48 +0100 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: Hi Dan, > Hi Dan, > >> Hello... >> Is there a way to have an icon on a button and have the label centered, but not under the button? I know if you set the textStyle to left or right, then the icon is centered. But, if you set the textStyle to centered, then the text lies below the icon. >> My goal is to use a custom button graphic (up and down states) and the button name (label) would display normally, over the icon. >> Any insight would be appreciated. > > 1. you could add some votes to my 5 year old "enhancement request", maybe the mothership > will pay attention to this one some time in this century... > > > 2. Fiddle around with the MARGINS property! > Doable, but unpredictable and very uncomfortable. Sorry, looks like I did not remember correctly, others (and me actually :-D) already posted some solutions for this problem. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 12:58:34 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:58:34 -0500 Subject: Time entry In-Reply-To: <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> References: <20100222180005.D60AC288345@mail.runrev.com> <2A2BD443-550E-4E4F-92D4-4E915BCE1DB8@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <95A0DED0-45B5-49CC-A153-F03FA4D63128@gmail.com> In case it wasn't clear in my previous posting, my additions were to the behavior button script in Scott Rossi's timesettings.rev stack... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:31:27 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:31:27 +0200 Subject: Button Icon Placement In-Reply-To: References: <20100223041103.0887F2883E2@mail.runrev.com> <0A41D8E0-E0B7-40C7-8CA7-B4FF96D7CF7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: <4B841EFF.2090604@gmail.com> I would just have 2 buttons sitting on top of each other in a group, with the button script in the group: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Fake_Button.rev.zip sincerely, Richmond. From Ray at LinkIt.Com Tue Feb 23 16:31:33 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:31:33 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, Andr?, Not a bad thought David, but I don't think I see a CSS in this URL. Andr?, thanks for asking. Here's the URL: http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item Bank/ELA NO 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/1000323.htm If I use the RevBrowser library handlers to display it in an image I can then get the htmlText of the 'instance' using the RevBrowserGet() function. That's where I get strange looking characters. If I then set the htmlText of the same image using RevBrowserSet, passing the return I got from RevBrowserGet(), the display turns weird. I'll include, below, a little bit of the weird return I get from the RevBrowserGet() function after displaying the above URL. Thanks, Ray ???
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On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:48 AM, David Coker wrote: >> The problem is, even if I don't alter it and simply put it back as >> I found it I don't get the same display. > > Could it be that the differences in the display have to do with > formatting based on a CSS file for the original page? > If so, maybe you could check the original source for the reference to > the CSS file, parse out that info and grab the CSS file also? > > I'm probably way off base as usual, but it's a thought at least... > > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 13:51:45 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:51:45 -0300 Subject: [ANN] WeCode Euler Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> Hello Folks, After a really fun morning solving math tricks with Mark and Brian, I decided to give revlets a try. WeCode Euler is revlet for testing, recording and exploring solutions for Project Euler http://projecteuler.net I did it really quickly and already posted some solutions. Basically you can browse the available solutions, test new ones and save them if you want. http://wecode.org/euler this revlet gains 0 in user interface usability but 10 in fun! :D -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 13:54:14 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:54:14 -0300 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> Done! checkout http://wecode.org/euler you need RevWeb plugin for that. Cheers andre PS: check the source code to see some uberpretty revlet loading techniques! On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Brian, > > this is quite a good idea... > > I think we could do a RevLet, this way we could post & execute the stuff. > > :D > > Let me cook something. > > :D > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > >> Oooh, oooh! >> >> In all seriousness, it would be fun if someone compiled a set of different >> correct solutions to these problems. What an incredible way of showing >> people's different coding styles in Rev. >> (my solution to #2 after the break) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> put 0 into tot >> put 1 into pre >> put 2 into fib >> repeat >> if (fib >= 4000000) then exit repeat >> if (fib mod 2 = 0) then add fib to tot >> put fib into tmp >> add pre to fib >> put tmp into pre >> end repeat_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From briany at qldlearning.com Tue Feb 23 14:00:06 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:00:06 -0500 Subject: [ANN] WeCode Euler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B7A9331-41BA-4FA8-8BF5-EB4E56EB7C5F@qldlearning.com> Awesome, I already submitted one =). Double click isn't working for me, but submitting was smooth! > Hello Folks, > > After a really fun morning solving math tricks with Mark and Brian, I > decided to give revlets a try. WeCode Euler is revlet for testing, recording > and exploring solutions for Project Euler http://projecteuler.net > > I did it really quickly and already posted some solutions. Basically you can > browse the available solutions, test new ones and save them if you want. > > http://wecode.org/euler > > this revlet gains 0 in user interface usability but 10 in fun! > > :D > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 14:01:47 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:01:47 -0300 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002231101x3f249a2ej7c30fe5942822551@mail.gmail.com> Ray, can you send a couple screenshots to my private email? Be aware that you can't add to the top of the htmltext property or you'll be adding text before the DOCTYPE declaration which in my opinion will wreck everything. If you want to add text before the displayable content, add it after declaration but before everything else. Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > David, Andr?, > > Not a bad thought David, but I don't think I see a CSS in this URL. Andr?, > thanks for asking. Here's the URL: > > http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item Bank/ELA NO > 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/1000323.htm > > If I use the RevBrowser library handlers to display it in an image I can > then get the htmlText of the 'instance' using the RevBrowserGet() function. > That's where I get strange looking characters. If I then set the htmlText > of the same image using RevBrowserSet, passing the return I got from > RevBrowserGet(), the display turns weird. I'll include, below, a little bit > of the weird return I get from the RevBrowserGet() function after displaying > the above URL. > > Thanks, > > Ray > > ???
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> > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:48 AM, David Coker wrote: > > The problem is, even if I don't alter it and simply put it back as I found >>> it I don't get the same display. >>> >> >> Could it be that the differences in the display have to do with >> formatting based on a CSS file for the original page? >> If so, maybe you could check the original source for the reference to >> the CSS file, parse out that info and grab the CSS file also? >> >> I'm probably way off base as usual, but it's a thought at least... >> >> David C. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 23 14:01:57 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:01:57 -0600 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic In-Reply-To: References: <20100223041102.CBAE22883DF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B842625.6090600@hyperactivesw.com> I appear to have an open slot right now...your call. Vokey, John wrote: > I would absolutely loved to have been invited (can you just imagine > all the amazing insights Jacqueline keeps hidden in there simply > because she doesn't realize how we would all benefit if she just let > it all out?). That said, it does seems a bit creepy, and I suspect my > wife would have words. > > > On 2010-02-22, at 9:11 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com > wrote: > >>> I will have pretty soon. But for now it's mostly a case of Jim >>> joining Sarah in my brain, which you'd think I'd notice, but I >>> was obviously elsewhere. I hope they're happy in there, it's a >>> bit of a mess from where I stand. >> >> Sorry, I just stepped out for a while. You're on your own in there >> Jim :-) >> >> Sarah > > -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See > > > > > > _______________________________________________ use-revolution > mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to > subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 14:03:07 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:03:07 -0300 Subject: [ANN] WeCode Euler In-Reply-To: <8B7A9331-41BA-4FA8-8BF5-EB4E56EB7C5F@qldlearning.com> References: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> <8B7A9331-41BA-4FA8-8BF5-EB4E56EB7C5F@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002231103y47331791gb405535f6bdb2bc0@mail.gmail.com> double clicking is a funny business sometimes. by the way, fill the comments with the problem proposition next time, if not some personal comments on your approach! :D On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > Awesome, I already submitted one =). Double click isn't working for me, but > submitting was smooth! > > > Hello Folks, > > > > After a really fun morning solving math tricks with Mark and Brian, I > > decided to give revlets a try. WeCode Euler is revlet for testing, > recording > > and exploring solutions for Project Euler http://projecteuler.net > > > > I did it really quickly and already posted some solutions. Basically you > can > > browse the available solutions, test new ones and save them if you want. > > > > http://wecode.org/euler > > > > this revlet gains 0 in user interface usability but 10 in fun! > > > > :D > > > > -- > > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 14:23:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:23:53 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> OMG! Spaces in a URL?? Bad Mojo! Probably has nothing to do with your particular problem, but it's not a very good practice. Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item Bank/ELA NO 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/1000323.htm From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 14:25:58 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:25:58 -0800 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic In-Reply-To: <4B842625.6090600@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100223041102.CBAE22883DF@mail.runrev.com> <4B842625.6090600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Can I get in on this? Does it work like a time share? Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I appear to have an open slot right now...your call. > > Vokey, John wrote: >> I would absolutely loved to have been invited (can you just imagine >> all the amazing insights Jacqueline keeps hidden in there simply >> because she doesn't realize how we would all benefit if she just let >> it all out?). That said, it does seems a bit creepy, and I suspect my >> wife would have words. >> On 2010-02-22, at 9:11 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com >> wrote: >>>> I will have pretty soon. But for now it's mostly a case of Jim >>>> joining Sarah in my brain, which you'd think I'd notice, but I >>>> was obviously elsewhere. I hope they're happy in there, it's a >>>> bit of a mess from where I stand. >>> Sorry, I just stepped out for a while. You're on your own in there >>> Jim :-) >>> Sarah >> -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See >> >> _______________________________________________ use-revolution >> mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to >> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 14:28:42 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:28:42 -0300 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic In-Reply-To: References: <20100223041102.CBAE22883DF@mail.runrev.com> <4B842625.6090600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002231128u2916080cl15e81dbaae90b633@mail.gmail.com> is it like couchsurfing? On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Can I get in on this? Does it work like a time share? > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > I appear to have an open slot right now...your call. > > > > Vokey, John wrote: > >> I would absolutely loved to have been invited (can you just imagine > >> all the amazing insights Jacqueline keeps hidden in there simply > >> because she doesn't realize how we would all benefit if she just let > >> it all out?). That said, it does seems a bit creepy, and I suspect my > >> wife would have words. > >> On 2010-02-22, at 9:11 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com > >> wrote: > >>>> I will have pretty soon. But for now it's mostly a case of Jim > >>>> joining Sarah in my brain, which you'd think I'd notice, but I > >>>> was obviously elsewhere. I hope they're happy in there, it's a > >>>> bit of a mess from where I stand. > >>> Sorry, I just stepped out for a while. You're on your own in there > >>> Jim :-) > >>> Sarah > >> -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See > >> > >> _______________________________________________ use-revolution > >> mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to > >> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From Ray at LinkIt.Com Tue Feb 23 17:35:13 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:35:13 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bob but I always urlEncode when necessary. I just left it like that in my post for easier reading. Thanks, Ray On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > OMG! Spaces in a URL?? Bad Mojo! Probably has nothing to do with > your particular problem, but it's not a very good practice. > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item Bank/ >> ELA NO 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/1000323.htm > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 14:42:30 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:42:30 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> Message-ID: oic. Whew. Well the link won't work that way. All I get when I right-click copy the link and paste it into a browser is http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS. But I think it's Apple Mail that tries to interpret it as a real link anyway, so no harm no foul. :-) Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > Thanks Bob but I always urlEncode when necessary. I just left it like that in my post for easier reading. > > Thanks, > > Ray > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> OMG! Spaces in a URL?? Bad Mojo! Probably has nothing to do with your particular problem, but it's not a very good practice. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >> >>> http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item Bank/ELA NO 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/1000323.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Ray at LinkIt.Com Tue Feb 23 17:53:07 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:53:07 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> Message-ID: <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> Bob, See what you get with this. Here it urlEncoded: http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20Bank/ELA%20NO%203rd%20Party%20Items/Grade%204%20QTI/ELA%20G4%20P1/passages/1000323.htm Thanks, Ray On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > oic. Whew. Well the link won't work that way. All I get when I right- > click copy the link and paste it into a browser is http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS > . But I think it's Apple Mail that tries to interpret it as a real > link anyway, so no harm no foul. :-) > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> Thanks Bob but I always urlEncode when necessary. I just left it >> like that in my post for easier reading. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> >>> OMG! Spaces in a URL?? Bad Mojo! Probably has nothing to do with >>> your particular problem, but it's not a very good practice. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item >>>> Bank/ELA NO 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/ >>>> 1000323.htm >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Tue Feb 23 15:01:06 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:01:06 -0500 Subject: [ANN] WeCode Euler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002231103y47331791gb405535f6bdb2bc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> <8B7A9331-41BA-4FA8-8BF5-EB4E56EB7C5F@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002231103y47331791gb405535f6bdb2bc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233873F-3532-4E38-B177-04668769D30E@qldlearning.com> LOL, yeah where's that edit button? I confess I blew it on my first two entries -- left the comments blank on one and forgot to change the problem number on the other. With that said, I think the most impressive so far was solving the problem so quickly of how to collect the solutions in a database =) > double clicking is a funny business sometimes. > > by the way, fill the comments with the problem proposition next time, if not > some personal comments on your approach! :D > > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > >> Awesome, I already submitted one =). Double click isn't working for me, but >> submitting was smooth! >> >>> Hello Folks, >>> >>> After a really fun morning solving math tricks with Mark and Brian, I >>> decided to give revlets a try. WeCode Euler is revlet for testing, >> recording >>> and exploring solutions for Project Euler http://projecteuler.net >>> >>> I did it really quickly and already posted some solutions. Basically you >> can >>> browse the available solutions, test new ones and save them if you want. >>> >>> http://wecode.org/euler >>> >>> this revlet gains 0 in user interface usability but 10 in fun! >>> >>> :D >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >>> _______________________________________ From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Feb 23 15:21:26 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:21:26 +0100 Subject: [ANN] WeCode Euler In-Reply-To: <1233873F-3532-4E38-B177-04668769D30E@qldlearning.com> References: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> <8B7A9331-41BA-4FA8-8BF5-EB4E56EB7C5F@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002231103y47331791gb405535f6bdb2bc0@mail.gmail.com> <1233873F-3532-4E38-B177-04668769D30E@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: Brian, Andr?, Woops... I thought we could overwrite existing entries, but as soon as we change either the number of the name, a new entry is created. Andr?, would you mind cleaning up? Maybe implement a system with user accounts? ;-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 23 feb 2010, om 21:01 heeft Brian Yennie het volgende geschreven: > LOL, yeah where's that edit button? I confess I blew it on my first > two entries -- left the comments blank on one and forgot to change > the problem number on the other. > > With that said, I think the most impressive so far was solving the > problem so quickly of how to collect the solutions in a database =) From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 23 15:30:30 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:30:30 -0300 Subject: [ANN] WeCode Euler In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002231051n186642c6jd780324e4df6f089@mail.gmail.com> <8B7A9331-41BA-4FA8-8BF5-EB4E56EB7C5F@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002231103y47331791gb405535f6bdb2bc0@mail.gmail.com> <1233873F-3532-4E38-B177-04668769D30E@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002231230y3b7bae65q4c618348fe1463f@mail.gmail.com> later I will add a delete button so we can clean up... creating accounts for this would be overkill.. just create this on FREE time while waiting for a file to upload. Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Brian, Andr?, > > Woops... I thought we could overwrite existing entries, but as soon as we > change either the number of the name, a new entry is created. Andr?, would > you mind cleaning up? Maybe implement a system with user accounts? ;-) > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. > Feel free to contact me for a quote. > > Op 23 feb 2010, om 21:01 heeft Brian Yennie het volgende geschreven: > > > LOL, yeah where's that edit button? I confess I blew it on my first two >> entries -- left the comments blank on one and forgot to change the problem >> number on the other. >> >> With that said, I think the most impressive so far was solving the problem >> so quickly of how to collect the solutions in a database =) >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 23 15:38:16 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:38:16 -0600 Subject: geek-meter might go right into overload In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B843CB8.3040402@hyperactivesw.com> Robert Cole wrote: > I saw this article today about the iPhone and Photoshop. > > http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/23/found-footage-photoshop-v1-0-recreated-on-iphone/ > > The second paragraph of the article contains a reference to HyperCard. > I wonder if the author knows about Revolution. It would be great if you'd add a comment there telling him. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From revdev at pdslabs.net Tue Feb 23 16:25:22 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:25:22 -0800 Subject: geek-meter might go right into overload In-Reply-To: <4B843CB8.3040402@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B843CB8.3040402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B8447C2.2080802@pdslabs.net> On 2/23/10 12:38 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Robert Cole wrote: >> I saw this article today about the iPhone and Photoshop. >> >> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/23/found-footage-photoshop-v1-0-recreated-on-iphone/ >> >> The second paragraph of the article contains a reference to HyperCard. >> I wonder if the author knows about Revolution. > > It would be great if you'd add a comment there telling him. Done. -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:55:52 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:55:52 +0100 Subject: [ANN] The Slug's Color Picker is now on the road for beta test In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002221627w40a2c531p2f59f1a996258d88@mail.gmail.com> References: <64bda6471002221627w40a2c531p2f59f1a996258d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002231355t77eaef5h8405d9ae01f77f0f@mail.gmail.com> Hi again, I've recently fixed two bugs in the Color Picker and upload a new version. 8-) Bugs fixed: - Fixed the arrow cursor when a control has the picker's focus - Fixed a problem when controls has the same name Maybe I'm going to fix my host server as well. It seems that it operates just like the price I pay for it, so zero... If you have problems to reach the download section of the Slug's website, contact me off-list and I'll send you a copy of it. Thanks for your attention and for testing ;) -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 23 17:02:26 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:02:26 -0500 Subject: Coming back to revTalk after ObjectiveC Message-ID: <0987186F-B9B9-41D9-B618-3174B6CA9F0B@mac.com> After spending the last nine months teaching myself enough Objective C to write some applications for the iPhone and iPad I have noticed some problems coming 'back' to revTalk... I submitted the first of my iPhone apps to the app store and am waiting for approval. So, while waiting I started two projects, one in Objective C and the other in revTalk. Anyway, I am noticing a few problems. First off, all of my method names, variable names and parameter names are really really long. They are like four or five words long and way too descriptive. Then, all of my methods are way too modular. I tried to follow some code I wrote and was lost all over the place. I spent a couple hours cleaning up my code and spent most of that time compressing separate methods into fewer cleaner methods. It seems that in an environment like Rev where a lot of the constraints you can find in Objective C aren't there that the bloated-ness of these types of things is more obvious. I compared my code to some I wrote last year and my code from now just looks 'thicker', 'longer', 'bulkier' and I don't think it looks as good as that which I wrote last year. Interesting, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Tue Feb 23 17:09:06 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:09:06 +1100 Subject: on-rev and coda In-Reply-To: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> References: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B1A29A-B728-41FE-AE52-99A40480F24D@pixelmedia.com.au> Dear Jeffrey, On 23/02/2010, at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Has anyone here successfully connected to on-rev with coda for editing their web pages? If so, what were the settings you used? This seems to work for me: 1) In the 'Sites' pane, click the 'Add Site...' button 2) Enter the site's details like this: SITE - Nickname: [whatever you wish] - Root URL: http://[YOURSUBDOMAIN].on-rev.com/ - Local UrL: [leave empty] - Remote Root: /public_html/ - Local Root: [the path to your local site on-rev folder in your hd] CONNECTING - Server: ftp.[YOURSUBDOMAIN].on-rev.com - User Name: [your on-rev 8-character username] - Password: [your on-rev password] - Port: 21 - Protocol: FTP - List Encoding: Unicode (UTF8) - (checked) Use passive mode for data transfers - [checked/unchecked] Prompt for password when connecting TERMINAL [as far as I can tell, terminal access is not bundled by default with on-rev] SOURCE CONTROL [if you use Subversion, you can put your 'Local Root' under version control here] I have not been able to find a 'style' on the net that does Rev syntax highlighting, but it is still worthwhile using the Coda code editor, as its many features - like site-wide search and replace, and built-in HTML reference - can be very, very handy, indeed. I hope this helps. Kind Regards, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From rjb at robelko.com Tue Feb 23 17:04:38 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:04:38 +0100 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 23.02.10 at 15:54 -0300 Andre Garzia apparently wrote: >Done! > >checkout > >http://wecode.org/euler > >you need RevWeb plugin for that. > >Cheers >andre >PS: check the source code to see some uberpretty revlet loading techniques! > revlet loading techniques? All I get is "plugin not loaded." Robert From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 17:56:27 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:56:27 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <3FFD06C0-51C4-44F9-A4CF-CB29FCE45A63@twft.com> That works. Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > Bob, > > See what you get with this. Here it urlEncoded: > > http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20Bank/ELA%20NO%203rd%20Party%20Items/Grade%204%20QTI/ELA%20G4%20P1/passages/1000323.htm > > Thanks, > > Ray > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> oic. Whew. Well the link won't work that way. All I get when I right-click copy the link and paste it into a browser is http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS. But I think it's Apple Mail that tries to interpret it as a real link anyway, so no harm no foul. :-) >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >> >>> Thanks Bob but I always urlEncode when necessary. I just left it like that in my post for easier reading. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> >>>> OMG! Spaces in a URL?? Bad Mojo! Probably has nothing to do with your particular problem, but it's not a very good practice. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS Formative Assessment Item Bank/ELA NO 3rd Party Items/Grade 4 QTI/ELA G4 P1/passages/1000323.htm >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:03:07 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:03:07 -0600 Subject: revBrowserExecuteScript problems Message-ID: <635B0D16-E1DA-465F-BE5C-ED3B3C6E6720@gmail.com> Ugh, I've been at this for *hours* now and I can't seem to see what's different that's causing my issue. Hopefully someone here can point me to the correct solution... I have a revBrowser instance that opens a webpage. Simple. The browserDocumentComplete message gets sent and i receive it just fine. Once the page is loaded I try and execute two javascript functions from the page. All of these script calls fail and throw an exception: "573,47,1,revBrowserExecuteScript" However, if I open up the message box and type the _exact same line of code_ (i.e. I copy paste it from the source file into the message box), then it works. I'm hoping there's something really simple here that I'm missing, because this is starting to get a tad frustrating. ;-) Thanks! Jeff M. From niggemann at uni-wh.de Tue Feb 23 18:10:36 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:10:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <1266966636392-1566711.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Scott, thank you very much for this beautiful layout and functionality. I couldn't resist to fiddle with the sliders, I wanted them to push each other so the user can push both and determine a start or stop time and without releasing the mouse pushing the other to the desired start/stop time. One click saved and I find it intuitive, maybe not everyone. Well here is the code for your backgroundscript of the sliders. watch out for linebreaks ---------------------- local allowDrag,tLimitsStart,tLimitsEnd,tInc local baseLeft,baseRight,tInterval,tMyName,tOtherName local tBtnSpaceFromCenter, W, tVslider local tHDiff, tVDiff on mouseEnter put false into allowDrag end mouseEnter on mouseDown put the clickloc into tClick put the loc of me into tmyLoc put item 1 of tmyLoc - item 1 of tClick into tHDiff put item 2 of tmyLoc - item 2 of tClick into tVDiff put short name of me into tInterval delete char -6 to -1 of tInterval put tInterval into tMyName if tMyName = "Start" then put "End" into tOtherName else put "Start" into tOtherName end if put left of grc "sliderbase" into baseLeft put right of grc "sliderbase" into baseRight put item 2 of the loc of grc "startSlider" into tVslider put (width of me div 2) into W put w * 2 into tBtnSpaceFromCenter put baseLeft,left of grc "endslider" - W into tLimitsStart put right of grc "startslider" + W,baseRight into tLimitsEnd put width of grc "sliderbase"/48 into tInc put true into allowDrag end mouseDown on mouseMove X,Y put x + tHDiff into x put y + tVDiff into y if not allowDrag then exit mouseMove if tMyName = "Start" then lock screen put min(max(X,item 1 of tLimitsStart),item 2 of tLimitsStart) into tNewX if tNewX < X then put min(x,(baseRight - tBtnSpaceFromCenter)) into taLocX set loc of grc "startSlider" to taLocX,tVslider set loc of grc "endslider" to min(taLocX+tBtnSpaceFromCenter,the right of grc sliderbase),tVslider put left of grc sliderbase,left of grc "endslider" - W into tLimitsStart else set loc of grc "startSlider" to tNewX,tVslider end if end if if tMyName = "End" then put min(max(X,item 1 of tLimitsEnd),item 2 of tLimitsEnd) into tNewX put x && tNewX if X < tNewX then put min(max(x,baseLeft+tBtnSpaceFromCenter),(baseRight)) into taLocX set loc of grc "endslider" to taLocX,tVslider set loc of grc "startSlider" to max(baseLeft,taLocX-tBtnSpaceFromCenter),tVslider put right of grc "startslider" + W,baseRight into tLimitsEnd else set loc of grc "endslider" to min(X,baseRight),tVslider end if end if put "AM" into ampm put (round((item 1 of the loc of grc (tMyName & "slider") - baseLeft)/tInc)*15) into tMin put trunc(tMin/60) + 6 into tHour if tHour >= 12 then put "PM" into ampm if tHour >= 13 then add -12 to tHour put toUpper(tMyName) & ":" && tHour & ":" & format("%02s",tMin mod 60) && ampm into fld (tMyName & "output") put "AM" into ampm put (round((item 1 of the loc of grc (tOtherName & "slider") - baseLeft)/tInc)*15) into tMin put trunc(tMin/60) + 6 into tHour if tHour >= 12 then put "PM" into ampm if tHour >= 13 then add -12 to tHour put toUpper(tOtherName) & ":" && tHour & ":" & format("%02s",tMin mod 60) && ampm into fld (tOtherName & "output") unlock screen end mouseMove on mouseUp put false into allowDrag end mouseUp on mouseRelease put false into allowDrag end mouseRelease -------------------------------------------- again thank you very much. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/How-to-enter-a-time-of-day-tp1562955p1566711.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 23 18:11:25 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:11:25 -0700 Subject: [semi-OT]simulating onSubmit in post Message-ID: <8AD58057-C728-4E40-BBB2-7E319984A94A@byu.edu> Hi folks, I'm trying to teach myself how to GET and POST submissions to URLs that provide simple web services, like word lookups and the like. I understand the basic concept pretty well and can successfully "harvest" data from various web forms. But I notice that often POST method forms use JavaScript calls to validate data in the forms before submitting it to the server. It might look like this:
In this case the Validate function is defined in the header and basically returns true if the submit came from the form "formname" AND all of the fields are filled in. It returns false if either of these conditions is not met. My question: Is it possible to construct a post command and/or header combination that simulates this onSubmit event returning true? This is basically an academic exercise to help me understand how JS and forms work, and how Rev's GET and POST functionality works; I'm not planning to distribute stacks that do this in any way. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:40:56 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:40:56 -0600 Subject: revBrowserExecuteScript problems In-Reply-To: <635B0D16-E1DA-465F-BE5C-ED3B3C6E6720@gmail.com> References: <635B0D16-E1DA-465F-BE5C-ED3B3C6E6720@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000F92E8-2811-4A8E-9410-D40FED699BCE@gmail.com> Figured out the issue. For posterity... revBrowserExecuteScript is a function, meaning I can't just call it and ignore the return value. I have to do get revBrowserExecuteScript(..), which the message box does implicitly. Facepalming complete. Jeff M. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Feb 23 18:47:39 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:47:39 +0100 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <3FFD06C0-51C4-44F9-A4CF-CB29FCE45A63@twft.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> <3FFD06C0-51C4-44F9-A4CF-CB29FCE45A63@twft.com> Message-ID: <0CC13427-444C-458B-9702-965B602AA607@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, You could use http://qurl.tk to solve this problem :-) http://qurl.tk/5j -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 23 feb 2010, om 23:56 heeft Bob Sneidar het volgende geschreven: > That works. > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> See what you get with this. Here it urlEncoded: >> >> http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20Bank/ELA%20NO%203rd%20Party%20Items/Grade%204%20QTI/ELA%20G4%20P1/passages/1000323.htm >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 23 18:57:37 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:57:37 -0800 Subject: on-rev and coda In-Reply-To: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> References: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: the problem is that for it to be recognized, there is a mode document, plugin, whatever that some basic xml - I've got the colors thing worked out but the irev suffix give problems and still isn't associated with rev. But the whole specs are the *SubEthaEdit *site, which is the editor that is embedded in Coda.... http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/modes.html I started with looking at mode for other languages, plus there's a detailed API. I would like to make a better one than I have now - I think it might take a couple of days... or one day with two coders. Coda is what the On-Rev editor should strive to be. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 20:52, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Has anyone here successfully connected to on-rev with coda for editing > their web pages? If so, what were the settings you used? > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue Feb 23 19:12:09 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:12:09 +1100 Subject: revBrowserExecuteScript problems In-Reply-To: <635B0D16-E1DA-465F-BE5C-ED3B3C6E6720@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff - I haven't tried doing this but given that your script works from the message box have you tried using a send (in time) construct when you receive the browserDocumentComplete message? Terry... On 24/02/10 10:03 AM, "Jeffrey Massung" wrote: > Ugh, I've been at this for *hours* now and I can't seem to see what's > different that's causing my issue. Hopefully someone here can point me to the > correct solution... > > I have a revBrowser instance that opens a webpage. Simple. > > The browserDocumentComplete message gets sent and i receive it just fine. > > Once the page is loaded I try and execute two javascript functions from the > page. All of these script calls fail and throw an exception: > > "573,47,1,revBrowserExecuteScript" > > However, if I open up the message box and type the _exact same line of code_ > (i.e. I copy paste it from the source file into the message box), then it > works. > > I'm hoping there's something really simple here that I'm missing, because this > is starting to get a tad frustrating. ;-) > > Thanks! > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niggemann at uni-wh.de Tue Feb 23 19:22:22 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:22:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <1266966636392-1566711.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> <1266966636392-1566711.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266970942627-1566818.post@n4.nabble.com> Sorry, I forgot to take one line out of the code ----------------- if tMyName = "End" then put min(max(X,item 1 of tLimitsEnd),item 2 of tLimitsEnd) into tNewX --put x && tNewX -- take this line out ------------------------------- the marked line puts x values into the message box, block it or take it out. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/How-to-enter-a-time-of-day-tp1562955p1566818.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From massung at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 19:27:40 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:27:40 -0600 Subject: on-rev and coda In-Reply-To: <44B1A29A-B728-41FE-AE52-99A40480F24D@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> <44B1A29A-B728-41FE-AE52-99A40480F24D@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <289D0F74-4765-44D1-ACC9-E727EE30DEAA@gmail.com> Thanks! This worked like a charm... so much nicer. ;-) Jeff M. On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > Dear Jeffrey, > > On 23/02/2010, at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > >> Has anyone here successfully connected to on-rev with coda for editing their web pages? If so, what were the settings you used? > > This seems to work for me: [.. snipped ..] From bobs at twft.com Tue Feb 23 19:45:03 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:45:03 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <1A2C0E0F-830B-41F5-87F0-324C931C7AC3@LinkIt.Com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> <3FFD06C0-51C4-44F9-A4CF-CB29FCE45A63@twft.com> <1A2C0E0F-830B-41F5-87F0-324C931C7AC3@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <9387BC7A-9A82-4597-8D58-DB6F5E897E71@twft.com> Hi Ray. I just checked the encoding of the site and it's correct. I spoke with my web guy, and he seems to think that there is metadata in the source of all web sites that are not displayed in a browser, but which are apparently there nonetheless. When you select "Show Source" in a browser menu, the browser is smart enough to filter out the metadata, but apparently the function that gets the source for a RevBrowser instance is not. I do not think you will find a way to deal with this, unless you can filter out every character with an ASCII value over 128. Still, some characters lie quotes are showing up as Capital A's with umlauts over them. Please not that with the web site I tried, http://po.cccm.com your code worked exactly as expected, given that I inserted the tag to deal with the relative references in the html. I also noticed that you are trying to display a table. I think this is where the metadata (or whatever the extra characters are) is coming from. But the bottom line is, I do not think that the RevBrowser is properly interpreting the source. My impression of RevBrowser is that it is a bare bones basic method of getting a web page to display in a Revolution window. It is not something you can really get into the nuts and bolts of. Bob On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > Bob, > > Thanks for you interest in this thing. Here's a stack I put together for Andr?. I thought you might like to take a look at it. > > Thanks, > > Ray From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 23 19:53:31 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:53:31 -0600 Subject: revBrowserExecuteScript problems In-Reply-To: <000F92E8-2811-4A8E-9410-D40FED699BCE@gmail.com> References: <635B0D16-E1DA-465F-BE5C-ED3B3C6E6720@gmail.com> <000F92E8-2811-4A8E-9410-D40FED699BCE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B84788B.4050807@hyperactivesw.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > Figured out the issue. For posterity... > > revBrowserExecuteScript is a function, meaning I can't just call it and ignore the return value. I have to do get revBrowserExecuteScript(..), which the message box does implicitly. > > Facepalming complete. Which just goes to prove that all you need to do to get a quick answer is to post here, even if no one else responds. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 21:39:40 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:39:40 +0900 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have a mainstack that becomes hidden, returns to its first card, and then opens up a substack. I want the user to not see that return to the first card, but rather just the illusion of the substack appearing immediately after the mainstack becomes invisible. As it's set up now, though, for a brief moment the mainstack's return to that first card happens on-screen, after which (or is it at the same time?) the substack appears. I guess the problem is how I've ordered the "open stack", "hide stack", and "go to card x (of mainstack)" handlers. If someone understands what I'm after here, how do I create this illusion? Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From Ray at LinkIt.Com Wed Feb 24 01:38:51 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:38:51 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <9387BC7A-9A82-4597-8D58-DB6F5E897E71@twft.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> <3FFD06C0-51C4-44F9-A4CF-CB29FCE45A63@twft.com> <1A2C0E0F-830B-41F5-87F0-324C931C7AC3@LinkIt.Com> <9387BC7A-9A82-4597-8D58-DB6F5E897E71@twft.com> Message-ID: <9EBFDDF4-0952-4739-8902-D6E91AF58FBF@LinkIt.Com> Bob, Thanks once again for your time on this. Yes, I've tried both UTF-8 and UTF-16 encoding and decoding but with no success. I believe you're right with your bottom line. I'll let you know what I end up doing for a solution. Thanks, Ray On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi Ray. > > I just checked the encoding of the site and it's correct. I spoke > with my web guy, and he seems to think that there is metadata in the > source of all web sites that are not displayed in a browser, but > which are apparently there nonetheless. When you select "Show > Source" in a browser menu, the browser is smart enough to filter out > the metadata, but apparently the function that gets the source for a > RevBrowser instance is not. > > I do not think you will find a way to deal with this, unless you can > filter out every character with an ASCII value over 128. Still, some > characters lie quotes are showing up as Capital A's with umlauts > over them. > > Please not that with the web site I tried, http://po.cccm.com your > code worked exactly as expected, given that I inserted the > tag to deal with the relative references in the html. I also noticed > that you are trying to display a table. I think this is where the > metadata (or whatever the extra characters are) is coming from. > > But the bottom line is, I do not think that the RevBrowser is > properly interpreting the source. My impression of RevBrowser is > that it is a bare bones basic method of getting a web page to > display in a Revolution window. It is not something you can really > get into the nuts and bolts of. > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> Thanks for you interest in this thing. Here's a stack I put >> together for Andr?. I thought you might like to take a look at it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Ray at LinkIt.Com Wed Feb 24 01:40:10 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:40:10 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <0CC13427-444C-458B-9702-965B602AA607@economy-x-talk.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <1A6E9569-E9EC-49DB-8E80-761D5F51AF94@twft.com> <4355D4F0-9775-41A1-9A87-1D0709B4FF06@LinkIt.Com> <3FFD06C0-51C4-44F9-A4CF-CB29FCE45A63@twft.com> <0CC13427-444C-458B-9702-965B602AA607@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <54A72646-0BBD-4136-820C-7B60AAE1D588@LinkIt.Com> Very interesting service! Ray On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > You could use http://qurl.tk to solve this problem :-) > > http://qurl.tk/5j > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development > projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. > > Op 23 feb 2010, om 23:56 heeft Bob Sneidar het volgende geschreven: > >> That works. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Ray Horsley wrote: >> >>> Bob, >>> >>> See what you get with this. Here it urlEncoded: >>> >>> http://www.linkit.com/EItemBank/ETS%20Formative%20Assessment%20Item%20Bank/ELA%20NO%203rd%20Party%20Items/Grade%204%20QTI/ELA%20G4%20P1/passages/1000323.htm >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Tue Feb 23 23:36:49 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:36:49 +1100 Subject: on-rev and coda In-Reply-To: References: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <66423D78-CE98-4D57-839B-CB6A4495C9EC@pixelmedia.com.au> On 24/02/2010, at 10:57 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > the problem is that for it to be recognized, there is a mode document, > plugin, whatever that some basic xml - I've got the colors thing worked out > but the irev suffix give problems and still isn't associated with rev. But > the whole specs are the *SubEthaEdit *site, which is the editor that is > embedded in Coda.... > > http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/modes.html > > I started with looking at mode for other languages, plus there's a detailed > API. > > I would like to make a better one than I have now - I think it might take a > couple of days... or one day with two coders. If you look carefully at the list of available 'modes', there is one close to the bottom called "Xtalk/Transcript", made by Christian Langers. "Transcript", I believe, is what the Revolution language used to be called, before it became simply 'Revolution'. Have you tried using this? Even if there are alterations that need to be done to the syntax file, perhaps this will already give you a good starting point! > Coda is what the On-Rev editor should strive to be. If I could just have the on-rev debugger in Coda, I'd be happy! :) -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 23 23:47:24 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:47:24 -0800 Subject: on-rev and coda In-Reply-To: <66423D78-CE98-4D57-839B-CB6A4495C9EC@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> <66423D78-CE98-4D57-839B-CB6A4495C9EC@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: Cool - that would be it... I looked very carefully before and didn't see it... It might not be totally up to date on all the terms (2005), but it's probably a better starting point than mine. sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 23 February 2010 20:36, Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > On 24/02/2010, at 10:57 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > > > the problem is that for it to be recognized, there is a mode document, > > plugin, whatever that some basic xml - I've got the colors thing worked > out > > but the irev suffix give problems and still isn't associated with rev. > But > > the whole specs are the *SubEthaEdit *site, which is the editor that is > > embedded in Coda.... > > > > http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/modes.html > > > > I started with looking at mode for other languages, plus there's a > detailed > > API. > > > > I would like to make a better one than I have now - I think it might take > a > > couple of days... or one day with two coders. > > If you look carefully at the list of available 'modes', there is one close > to the bottom called "Xtalk/Transcript", made by Christian Langers. > "Transcript", I believe, is what the Revolution language used to be called, > before it became simply 'Revolution'. Have you tried using this? > > Even if there are alterations that need to be done to the syntax file, > perhaps this will already give you a good starting point! > > > Coda is what the On-Rev editor should strive to be. > > If I could just have the on-rev debugger in Coda, I'd be happy! :) > > -- > Igor de Oliveira Couto > Sydney, Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Tue Feb 23 23:54:18 2010 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:54:18 +1100 Subject: on-rev and coda In-Reply-To: References: <6E6AD987-EFF8-4E64-AE99-C9E5380654D5@gmail.com> <66423D78-CE98-4D57-839B-CB6A4495C9EC@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <2485D079-68E1-4544-B122-D3BFD83F2B31@pixelmedia.com.au> On 24/02/2010, at 3:47 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Cool - that would be it... I looked very carefully before and didn't see > it... > It might not be totally up to date on all the terms (2005), but it's > probably a better starting point than mine. Once you're happy with your version, make sure you put it up there in the SubEthaEdit modes list - and make sure you name it 'Revolution'! I'll keep an eye out for it! ;-) -- Igor de Oliveira Couto Sydney, Australia From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Feb 24 03:34:19 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:34:19 +0000 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> Ray I was able to add a line and redisplay it (almost) by doing something like this: put revBrowserGet(gBrowserD, "htmltext") into tHtmlText replace "" with "

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" in tHtmlText # put empty into char 1 to 3 of tHtmlText ## not necessary it seems (removing the utf-8 BOM mark at the beginning) put uniDecode(uniEncode(tHtmlText, "UTF8")) into tHtmlText revBrowserSet gBrowserD, "htmltext", tHtmlText I said "almost" because there's a problem with the image in the html. It uses a relative url (../images/5067210.Jpeg). When you use revBrowserSet to set the htmltext property, the base url is no longer the same as when loaded directly from the server. So some more manipulation of the image src urls would be needed. I notice that the html has the "head" element inside the "body" element. Although my browser seems happy with that (Safari), it doesn't seem right. Cheers Dave On 23 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Ray Horsley wrote: > If I use the RevBrowser library handlers to display it in an image I can then get the htmlText of the 'instance' using the RevBrowserGet() function. That's where I get strange looking characters. If I then set the htmlText of the same image using RevBrowserSet, passing the return I got from RevBrowserGet(), the display turns weird. I'll include, below, a little bit of the weird return I get from the RevBrowserGet() function after displaying the above URL. > > Thanks, > > Ray > > ???
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From livfoss at mac.com Wed Feb 24 04:26:51 2010 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:26:51 +0100 Subject: [semi-OT]simulating onSubmit in post In-Reply-To: <20100223234103.1508B28847A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100223234103.1508B28847A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <86CEBBDD-DDA0-4B7B-9E35-03770CD564B1@mac.com> Hi Devin - I for one don't think this is OT at all: I have struggled to understand how to extract stuff from web sites in a more complicated way than the simple examples given in the Rev documentation. I got a lot of help from this list (especially from SparkOut ) but I still remain profoundly ignorant. For instance, I wanted to know in a similar situation if I could effectively by-pass the JS function while capturing the web-based data and then replicate its functionality within my Rev program. IMHO anything that sheds light on the kind of topic would help strengthen the use of Rev in the area of interacting with web services, so must be of interest to many Revvers. I hope to see some informative replies soon. Graham On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:11:25 -0700, uDevin Asay wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm trying to teach myself how to GET and POST submissions to URLs > that provide simple web services, like word lookups and the like. I > understand the basic concept pretty well and can successfully > "harvest" data from various web forms. But I notice that often POST > method forms use JavaScript calls to validate data in the forms before > submitting it to the server. It might look like this: > onSubmit="return Validate(this);"> > In this case the Validate function is defined in the header and > basically returns true if the submit came from the form "formname" AND > all of the fields are filled in. It returns false if either of these > conditions is not met. > > My question: Is it possible to construct a post command and/or header > combination that simulates this onSubmit event returning true? This is > basically an academic exercise to help me understand how JS and forms > work, and how Rev's GET and POST functionality works; I'm not planning > to distribute stacks that do this in any way. > > Regards, > > Devin > > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk Wed Feb 24 04:39:17 2010 From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:39:17 +0000 Subject: [semi-OT]simulating onSubmit in post In-Reply-To: <8AD58057-C728-4E40-BBB2-7E319984A94A@byu.edu> References: <8AD58057-C728-4E40-BBB2-7E319984A94A@byu.edu> Message-ID: <4B84F3C5.6030100@harbourhosting.co.uk> Hi Devin, In the url instanced below, unless I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to do, if you make a properly formed POST direct to someurl.htm?loadpage, direct from a script or a stack for instance, the onSubmit event in the html form is almost certainly irrelevant, because it is only triggered in the browser when the user clicks the submit element, and wouldn't apply in other cases. Have you experienced some issue that makes you think it is relevant? javascript validation can stop the form data being POSTed by the browser if something is wrong with user input or whatever, but you would bypass that by POSTing directly to the action url. Javascript pre-validation can manipulate the form data or perhaps set headers before it allows the POST action, and that might conceivably be relevant to it being accepted as valid by the action url. But it isn't very likely and in any case you should be able to figure the details out by reading the javascript to see what happens. Any serious validation will invariably be done by the script the data is POSTed *to* (the action url), unless the author is naive. Javascript validation (pre-validation) is really only useful for catching obvious data entry errors for purposes of user-friendliness. Martin Baxter Devin Asay wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm trying to teach myself how to GET and POST submissions to URLs that > provide simple web services, like word lookups and the like. I > understand the basic concept pretty well and can successfully "harvest" > data from various web forms. But I notice that often POST method forms > use JavaScript calls to validate data in the forms before submitting it > to the server. It might look like this: > onSubmit="return Validate(this);"> > In this case the Validate function is defined in the header and > basically returns true if the submit came from the form "formname" AND > all of the fields are filled in. It returns false if either of these > conditions is not met. > > My question: Is it possible to construct a post command and/or header > combination that simulates this onSubmit event returning true? This is > basically an academic exercise to help me understand how JS and forms > work, and how Rev's GET and POST functionality works; I'm not planning > to distribute stacks that do this in any way. > > Regards, > > Devin -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed Feb 24 05:13:23 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:13:23 +0100 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> Bonjour Nicolas, Is the following doing what your are expecting : lock screen hide stack "theMainStack" go to cd 1 of stack "theMainStack" --wait 1 milliseconds open stack "theSubStack" Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 24 f?vr. 10 ? 03:39, Nicolas Cueto a ?crit : > Hello, > > I have a mainstack that becomes hidden, returns to its first card, and > then opens up a substack. I want the user to not see that return to > the first card, but rather just the illusion of the substack appearing > immediately after the mainstack becomes invisible. > > As it's set up now, though, for a brief moment the mainstack's return > to that first card happens on-screen, after which (or is it at the > same time?) the substack appears. I guess the problem is how I've > ordered the "open stack", "hide stack", and "go to card x (of > mainstack)" handlers. > > If someone understands what I'm after here, how do I create this > illusion? > > Thanks. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 05:58:39 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:58:39 -0800 Subject: [semi-OT]simulating onSubmit in post In-Reply-To: <8AD58057-C728-4E40-BBB2-7E319984A94A@byu.edu> References: <8AD58057-C728-4E40-BBB2-7E319984A94A@byu.edu> Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm trying to teach myself how to GET and POST submissions to URLs > that provide simple web services, like word lookups and the like. I > understand the basic concept pretty well and can successfully > "harvest" data from various web forms. But I notice that often POST > method forms use JavaScript calls to validate data in the forms > before submitting it to the server. It might look like this: > onSubmit="return Validate(this);"> > In this case the Validate function is defined in the header and > basically returns true if the submit came from the form "formname" > AND all of the fields are filled in. It returns false if either of > these conditions is not met. > > My question: Is it possible to construct a post command and/or > header combination that simulates this onSubmit event returning > true? This is basically an academic exercise to help me understand > how JS and forms work, and how Rev's GET and POST functionality > works; I'm not planning to distribute stacks that do this in any way. First some tidbits to think about in order to answer your question (skip to the last couple paragraphs if you wish) When a web page loads, it is like a stack opening in Rev. Events trigger 'messages' (function calls) that load CSS code, the results of PHP code that runs on the server, JS functions, and many others. Some JS functions will run 'on openstack' and set variables (like Rev 'globals') which remain available as long as you stay on this web page. Some JS functions are in memory and get triggered on mouseup, mouseEnter, mouseLeave, click, openfield, closefield, etc Using FireFox and the FireBug add-on, you can see all of the scripts that are loaded in a broswer, and debug them step-by-step if you wish. FirePHP can do the same for php scripts. Because of security rules and conventions to protect server attacks, user-browser-globals are not a good thing to be kept between pages, so the site programmer uses cookies (client-side) or session variables (server-side) as a tracking mechanism. Many users add functions to their browser to make it more secure and these detect web pages that try to run malicious scripts or keep globals from page-to-page or do pop-ups, etc. And now on to forms. Form validation can be programmed by the web guy a few ways. The slowest is to have the FORM submit data and the server script do the work (server-side), returning a result to the browser and causing a reaction accordingly. The fastest is when the page is programmed with JS that does the same work on the local machine (client-side) because the server is not involved. A third way is to be using AJAX, which interacts with the server-side script after each keystroke (eg. Google search suggestions as you type). Simulating 3 types of forms: server-side FORM The way I use is to go into FireFox, activate the add-on using menu Tools:Live HTTP Headers, fill in the form, then capture the headers that are send by the browser. The headers will include the GET and POST data (of course). Now you can use Rev to manipulate the Headers (see the Rev dictionary) before submitting a form. client-side JS This step is done locally and usually only sends data to the server when there are no errors. If there is an error, the JS usually modifies the current web page indicating the corrections required. After all errors are fixed, the submit will allow capture of the Headers and you can see the GET/POST variables AJAX server-side This is a system of calls to the server triggered by some event, such as keystroke and blur/focus changes, so that the users input triggers changes in the web form. This is commonly used in airline and hotel reservations pages so that dropdowns and options trigger the appropriate form values for the user (eg. discounts available, seats available, rental car packages, black out days) Again, Live HTTP Headers can be used to capture, but now you will have numerous events to compile by reading the headers sent and received by the browser. You can choose to save a log of these transactions and study them. The downside is that you will not know all of the variations until you try them on the web page (eg. airline ticketing and flights available, a calendar that starts with today) because they are dynamic conditions. The first two are easily simulated with a Rev post command, but the third would require using the form, and scripting some arcane variations to test the return values. One way of capturing the GET/POST variables using Rev is to change the action="someurl.htm?loadpage" to your own Rev cgi/OnRev script and parse the headers and variables yourself, but I find Live HTTP Headers more convenient for sleuthing, especially Authorization headers. By the way, Live HTTP Headers should work just as well when you are browsing ( myaccount.on-rev.com/someURL.irev ) since the browser is using the same protocol to interact with the OnRev server. Your specific question was My question: Is it possible to construct a post command and/or header combination that simulates this onSubmit event returning true? This is basically an academic exercise to help me understand how JS and forms work, and how Rev's GET and POST functionality works; I'm not planning to distribute stacks that do this in any way. You could modify the replacing the function call result rather than making the local JS call Validatate(this) - which resides in the browser RAM (just like a stack script in Rev) In most cases, the server-side script will also do error checking (or at least it should) and in this case the programmer decided on local error checking to decrease server load and provide faster response for the user. Hope this helps you Jim Ault Las Vegas From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Feb 24 06:31:34 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:31:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <1266970942627-1566818.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> <1266966636392-1566711.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266970942627-1566818.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1267011094695-1567339.post@n4.nabble.com> you might want to look at the "timesetting" stack in a slightly modified version as a revlet: http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/timesettings/ regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/How-to-enter-a-time-of-day-tp1562955p1567339.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Feb 24 08:22:40 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:22:40 -0300 Subject: How to enter a time of day In-Reply-To: <1267011094695-1567339.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1A25975A-ABFB-49AD-8FDD-D64590CB7044@mollysrevenge.com> <1266966636392-1566711.post@n4.nabble.com> <1266970942627-1566818.post@n4.nabble.com> <1267011094695-1567339.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002240522q1e916791w5a8f668b11c974b6@mail.gmail.com> Loved the stack and the revlet! Guys, you rock! Scott, you're the man! I still hold dear to your plugins and there's no color tool as TM|Color for me, I use it even when I am not using Rev, once, I almost made a standalone out of it. Cheers and thanks On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:31 AM, BNig wrote: > > you might want to look at the "timesetting" stack in a slightly modified > version as a revlet: > http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/timesettings/ > regards > Bernd > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/How-to-enter-a-time-of-day-tp1562955p1567339.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mazzapaolo at libero.it Wed Feb 24 08:44:33 2010 From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (mazza paolo) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:44:33 +0100 Subject: From XML to array Message-ID: I need to import the data of an XML file to an ARRAY having the nodes as keys. For example: I need to transform an XML file like this ... Steve Jobs 001 054 545 345 100 Bill Gates 454 656 666 987 Linus Torvald 001 054 545 545 479 123 Kevin Miller 100 421 987 to an array like this (se the combined version of the array) /records/record[1]record: /records/record[1]record/firstName:Steve /records/record[1]record/lastName:Jobs /records/record[1]record/parkingSlot:100 /records/record[1]record/phoneExt:345 /records/record[1]record/roomNums: /records/record[1]record/roomNums/roomNum1:001 /records/record[1]record/roomNums/roomNum2:054 /records/record[1]record/roomNums/roomNum3:545 /records/record[2]record: /records/record[2]record/firstName:Bill /records/record[2]record/lastName:Gates /records/record[2]record/parkingSlot:987 /records/record[2]record/phoneExt:666 /records/record[2]record/roomNums: /records/record[2]record/roomNums/roomNum1:454 /records/record[2]record/roomNums/roomNum2:656 /records/record[3]record: /records/record[3]record/firstName:Linus /records/record[3]record/lastName:Torvald /records/record[3]record/parkingSlot:123 /records/record[3]record/phoneExt:479 /records/record[3]record/roomNums: /records/record[3]record/roomNums/roomNum1:001 /records/record[3]record/roomNums/roomNum2:054 /records/record[3]record/roomNums/roomNum3:545 /records/record[3]record/roomNums/roomNum4:545 /records/record[4]record: /records/record[4]record/firstName:Kevin /records/record[4]record/lastName:Miller /records/record[4]record/parkingSlot:987 /records/record[4]record/phoneExt:421 /records/record[4]record/roomNum:100 The following RevTalk script does the job. I wonder if there is an easyer (and more efficient) way to accomplish this task with Revolution. local STRUTTURA,NODO1,LISTAARRAY, tDocID on mouseUp local J, tNUMERORECORDS, tParentNode put field "DocID" into tDocID --the number of records put revXMLRootNode(tDocID) into tParentNode put revXMLNumberOfChildren(tDocID,tParentNode,"record",0) into tNUMERORECORDS repeat with J=1 to tNUMERORECORDS put "/records/record[" & J & "]" into NODO1 CreaListaValori combine LISTAARRAY with return and ":" put LISTAARRAY & return after message end repeat end mouseUp on CreaListaValori local NOMECAMPO, tNUMERO, VALORECAMPO, LISTA put revXMLTree(tDocID, NODO1, cr, tab, false, -1) into STRUTTURA repeat with tNUMERO=1 to the number of lines of STRUTTURA put line tNUMERO of STRUTTURA into NOMECAMPO put CompletaCampo(NOMECAMPO,tNUMERO) into NOMECAMPO put revXMLNodeContents(tDocID,NOMECAMPO) into VALORECAMPO PUT VALORECAMPO into LISTAARRAY[NOMECAMPO] end repeat end CreaListaValori function CompletaCampo NOMECAMPO tNUMERO local NUMEROX, LINEA set itemdelimiter to TAB put the number of items of NOMECAMPO into NUMEROX repeat with k=1 to NUMEROX if item K of LINEA is empty then put CercaNomeCampo(tNUMERO, k ) into item K of LINEA end if end repeat replace tab with "/" in LINEA put NODO1 & LINEA into LINEA return LINEA end CompletaCampo function CercaNomeCampo tNUMERO tPosizione local NUMEROX, LINEA, K, NOME set itemdelimiter to tab repeat with K=tNumero down to 1 put item tPosizione of line K of STRUTTURA into NOME if NOME is not empty then return NOME exit repeat end if end repeat end CercaNomeCampo Thanks a lot, Paolo Mazza From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 24 08:46:49 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:46:49 -0500 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet Message-ID: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> I am having a problem getting sounds to play in a revLet in revWeb plugin. I have tried both of these methods using imported audio clips: lock screen go card 2 unlock screen with visual effect dissolve very fast with sound "boing.wav" and: play audioClip "boing.wav" Both of these crash the browser window or hang it up in a frozen state. I was wondering if anyone else can play a simple sound in the plugin? Also, I am going to try different formats today to see if that might clear this up. Any experience from other users? Thanks for any feedback. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Wed Feb 24 09:21:16 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:21:16 -0400 Subject: Coming back to revTalk after ObjectiveC In-Reply-To: <0987186F-B9B9-41D9-B618-3174B6CA9F0B@mac.com> References: <0987186F-B9B9-41D9-B618-3174B6CA9F0B@mac.com> Message-ID: <459b22a91002240621m588835dbibe7ecd55df6636c9@mail.gmail.com> I would think it would be the other way around. That's interesting. What if it had been Pascual? That was supposed to make programmers write clearer code. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > After spending the last nine months teaching myself enough Objective C to > write some applications for the iPhone and iPad I have noticed some problems > coming 'back' to revTalk... > > I submitted the first of my iPhone apps to the app store and am waiting for > approval. So, while waiting I started two projects, one in Objective C and > the other in revTalk. Anyway, I am noticing a few problems. First off, all > of my method names, variable names and parameter names are really really > long. They are like four or five words long and way too descriptive. Then, > all of my methods are way too modular. I tried to follow some code I wrote > and was lost all over the place. I spent a couple hours cleaning up my code > and spent most of that time compressing separate methods into fewer cleaner > methods. It seems that in an environment like Rev where a lot of the > constraints you can find in Objective C aren't there that the bloated-ness > of these types of things is more obvious. I compared my code to some I wrote > last year and my code from now just looks 'thicker', 'longer', 'bulkier' and > I don't think it looks as good as that which I wrote last year. > > Interesting, > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 24 09:34:17 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:34:17 -0500 Subject: Coming back to revTalk after ObjectiveC In-Reply-To: <459b22a91002240621m588835dbibe7ecd55df6636c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <0987186F-B9B9-41D9-B618-3174B6CA9F0B@mac.com> <459b22a91002240621m588835dbibe7ecd55df6636c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60F543C9-D528-433C-AFE3-3E2D9A168E38@mac.com> I didn't notice any issues in xCode because these methods are the norm with ObjC but coming back to Rev it becomes clear very quickly that things don't 'look' right and I could not shake the feeling that my coding seemed unnecessarily more complex. After compressing my methods and shortening my method names things now 'look' more normal and cleaner too. I am going back to ObjC this week. I wonder if this issue will appear there as well. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:21 AM, william humphrey wrote: > I would think it would be the other way around. That's interesting. What if > it had been Pascual? That was supposed to make programmers write clearer > code. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> After spending the last nine months teaching myself enough Objective C to >> write some applications for the iPhone and iPad I have noticed some problems >> coming 'back' to revTalk... >> >> I submitted the first of my iPhone apps to the app store and am waiting for >> approval. So, while waiting I started two projects, one in Objective C and >> the other in revTalk. Anyway, I am noticing a few problems. First off, all >> of my method names, variable names and parameter names are really really >> long. They are like four or five words long and way too descriptive. Then, >> all of my methods are way too modular. I tried to follow some code I wrote >> and was lost all over the place. I spent a couple hours cleaning up my code >> and spent most of that time compressing separate methods into fewer cleaner >> methods. It seems that in an environment like Rev where a lot of the >> constraints you can find in Objective C aren't there that the bloated-ness >> of these types of things is more obvious. I compared my code to some I wrote >> last year and my code from now just looks 'thicker', 'longer', 'bulkier' and >> I don't think it looks as good as that which I wrote last year. >> >> Interesting, >> >> Tom McGrath III >> Lazy River Software >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> iTunes Library Suite - libITS >> Information and download can be found on this page: >> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From nealk3nc at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 09:44:05 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:44:05 -0500 Subject: Coming back to revTalk after ObjectiveC In-Reply-To: <60F543C9-D528-433C-AFE3-3E2D9A168E38@mac.com> References: <0987186F-B9B9-41D9-B618-3174B6CA9F0B@mac.com> <459b22a91002240621m588835dbibe7ecd55df6636c9@mail.gmail.com> <60F543C9-D528-433C-AFE3-3E2D9A168E38@mac.com> Message-ID: <325413301002240644g68073c88xe118a99ead4da3b1@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if somehow C-oriented languages have polluted our brains to anything else! When your are steeped in that mentality, your instincts are off when programming in Rev so you have "unlearn" those ways. In that regard, Rev can be a hard language to learn even though it shouldn't be. It would be so great if we could get Rev Media in all of the elementary schools around the world and get it into kids brains before the Pythons, Rubys, C/C++/C# languages corrupt our youth! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I didn't notice any issues in xCode because these methods are the norm with > ObjC but coming back to Rev it becomes clear very quickly that things don't > 'look' right and I could not shake the feeling that my coding seemed > unnecessarily more complex. After compressing my methods and shortening my > method names things now 'look' more normal and cleaner too. > > I am going back to ObjC this week. I wonder if this issue will appear there > as well. > > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:21 AM, william humphrey wrote: > > > I would think it would be the other way around. That's interesting. What > if > > it had been Pascual? That was supposed to make programmers write clearer > > code. > > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Thomas McGrath III >wrote: > > > >> After spending the last nine months teaching myself enough Objective C > to > >> write some applications for the iPhone and iPad I have noticed some > problems > >> coming 'back' to revTalk... > >> > >> I submitted the first of my iPhone apps to the app store and am waiting > for > >> approval. So, while waiting I started two projects, one in Objective C > and > >> the other in revTalk. Anyway, I am noticing a few problems. First off, > all > >> of my method names, variable names and parameter names are really really > >> long. They are like four or five words long and way too descriptive. > Then, > >> all of my methods are way too modular. I tried to follow some code I > wrote > >> and was lost all over the place. I spent a couple hours cleaning up my > code > >> and spent most of that time compressing separate methods into fewer > cleaner > >> methods. It seems that in an environment like Rev where a lot of the > >> constraints you can find in Objective C aren't there that the > bloated-ness > >> of these types of things is more obvious. I compared my code to some I > wrote > >> last year and my code from now just looks 'thicker', 'longer', 'bulkier' > and > >> I don't think it looks as good as that which I wrote last year. > >> > >> Interesting, > >> > >> Tom McGrath III > >> Lazy River Software > >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net > >> > >> iTunes Library Suite - libITS > >> Information and download can be found on this page: > >> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Wed Feb 24 10:43:43 2010 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:43:43 +0100 Subject: [Solved] Re: Looking for an idea to .... Message-ID: <037CFFDD-908F-4CA7-956C-1995BA668F12@id.uzh.ch> I finally had time to try out all the suggestions i got to shrink text automatically so that it fits into a field of a fixed with. Saharas method (which is the same as Andre G. suggested) works best for my purpose. I like the repeat loop which makes the font smaller but only to a certain size :-) I am very happy with this solution thanks Sarah and oll the others for your help. Cheers Rolf Here is the script again: on mouseUp -- shrink font until it fits, down to a minimum of (original size minus 5 <- see at the repeat loop) set the textSize of fld "fldMailAddress" to 14 put 14 into tStartSize repeat 5 times if the formattedWidth of fld "fldMailAddress" > the width of fld "fldMailAddress" then subtract 1 from tStartSize set the textSize of fld "fldMailAddress" to tStartSize else exit repeat end if end repeat show fld "fldMailAddress" end mouseUp From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 11:21:47 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:21:47 -0800 Subject: From XML to array In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C4CC86E-189D-4EC0-9363-55B882A872F0@yahoo.com> I am assuming your data set contains an error and will ignore this tag. There is no opening tag On Feb 24, 2010, at 5:44 AM, mazza paolo wrote: > Jim Ault Las Vegas From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 11:26:19 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:26:19 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> Dave, Try inserting a line with the base tag before everything else: This will cause the references to be relative to the base you define. Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: > Ray > > I was able to add a line and redisplay it (almost) by doing something like this: > > put revBrowserGet(gBrowserD, "htmltext") into tHtmlText > replace "" with "

Extra line

" in tHtmlText > # put empty into char 1 to 3 of tHtmlText ## not necessary it seems (removing the utf-8 BOM mark at the beginning) > put uniDecode(uniEncode(tHtmlText, "UTF8")) into tHtmlText > revBrowserSet gBrowserD, "htmltext", tHtmlText > > I said "almost" because there's a problem with the image in the html. It uses a relative url (../images/5067210.Jpeg). When you use revBrowserSet to set the htmltext property, the base url is no longer the same as when loaded directly from the server. So some more manipulation of the image src urls would be needed. > > I notice that the html has the "head" element inside the "body" element. Although my browser seems happy with that (Safari), it doesn't seem right. > > Cheers > Dave > > > On 23 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Ray Horsley wrote: > >> If I use the RevBrowser library handlers to display it in an image I can then get the htmlText of the 'instance' using the RevBrowserGet() function. That's where I get strange looking characters. If I then set the htmlText of the same image using RevBrowserSet, passing the return I got from RevBrowserGet(), the display turns weird. I'll include, below, a little bit of the weird return I get from the RevBrowserGet() function after displaying the above URL. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray >> >> ???
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> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 11:27:42 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:27:42 +0100 Subject: From XML to array In-Reply-To: <2C4CC86E-189D-4EC0-9363-55B882A872F0@yahoo.com> References: <2C4CC86E-189D-4EC0-9363-55B882A872F0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4365fca01002240827k4555d3abtbe9b29f8d048c4d5@mail.gmail.com> Yes, you are right. Here it is the right XML file: Steve Jobs 001 054 545 345 100 Bill Gates 454 656 666 987 Linus Torvald 001 054 545 545 479 123 Kevin Miller 100 421 987 On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > I am assuming your data set contains an error and will ignore this tag. > There is no opening tag > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 5:44 AM, mazza paolo wrote: > > >> > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Feb 24 11:35:17 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:35:17 -0300 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002240835xa725370i1ab368819f28eb11@mail.gmail.com> Bob, I never heard of that tag.... wow... thanks, this would solve so many problems for me. :D On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Dave, > > Try inserting a line with the base tag before everything else: > > > > This will cause the references to be relative to the base you define. > > Bob > > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: > > > Ray > > > > I was able to add a line and redisplay it (almost) by doing something > like this: > > > > put revBrowserGet(gBrowserD, "htmltext") into tHtmlText > > replace "" with "

Extra line

" in tHtmlText > > # put empty into char 1 to 3 of tHtmlText ## not necessary it seems > (removing the utf-8 BOM mark at the beginning) > > put uniDecode(uniEncode(tHtmlText, "UTF8")) into tHtmlText > > revBrowserSet gBrowserD, "htmltext", tHtmlText > > > > I said "almost" because there's a problem with the image in the html. It > uses a relative url (../images/5067210.Jpeg). When you use revBrowserSet to > set the htmltext property, the base url is no longer the same as when loaded > directly from the server. So some more manipulation of the image src urls > would be needed. > > > > I notice that the html has the "head" element inside the "body" element. > Although my browser seems happy with that (Safari), it doesn't seem right. > > > > Cheers > > Dave > > > > > > On 23 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Ray Horsley wrote: > > > >> If I use the RevBrowser library handlers to display it in an image I can > then get the htmlText of the 'instance' using the RevBrowserGet() function. > That's where I get strange looking characters. If I then set the htmlText > of the same image using RevBrowserSet, passing the return I got from > RevBrowserGet(), the display turns weird. I'll include, below, a little bit > of the weird return I get from the RevBrowserGet() function after displaying > the above URL. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ray > >> > >> ???
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> > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 11:38:36 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:38:36 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002240835xa725370i1ab368819f28eb11@mail.gmail.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> <7c87a2a11002240835xa725370i1ab368819f28eb11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B9BB040-1257-4537-9B31-A71BA3A8D831@twft.com> No thanks to me. I have a boy genius for a web guy! :-) Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Bob, > > I never heard of that tag.... wow... thanks, this would solve so many > problems for me. > > :D From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 11:49:31 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:49:31 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002240835xa725370i1ab368819f28eb11@mail.gmail.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> <7c87a2a11002240835xa725370i1ab368819f28eb11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <410958E7-44C0-400F-AAEA-FE2CA1549102@yahoo.com> The tag specifies a default address or a default target for all links on a page. The tag goes inside the head element. The tag is supported in all major browsers. Differences Between HTML and XHTML In HTML the tag has no end tag In XHTML the tag must be properly closed. W3Schools More info at http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_base.asp Jim On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Bob, > > I never heard of that tag.... wow... thanks, this would solve so many > problems for me. > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> Try inserting a line with the base tag before everything else: >> >> >> >> This will cause the references to be relative to the base you define. >> >> Bob Jim Ault Las Vegas From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Feb 24 11:53:59 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:59 +0000 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> Message-ID: <43FB6170-92B6-4984-8142-B73D214ABFC1@lacscentre.co.uk> Thanks, Bob. I was just trying that when your mail came in. It works. :-) I thought the strange location of the head element might prevent this from working, but it looks OK. I'll pass it on to Ray. Cheers Dave On 24 Feb 2010, at 16:26, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Dave, > > Try inserting a line with the base tag before everything else: > > > > This will cause the references to be relative to the base you define. > > Bob From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed Feb 24 12:36:37 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:36:37 +0100 Subject: How do I 'see' if an object has a behavior? In-Reply-To: <4F755572-089C-4AE5-A576-C66F828602C7@mac.com> References: <20100223172346.AB129288192@mail.runrev.com> <4F755572-089C-4AE5-A576-C66F828602C7@mac.com> Message-ID: <0687FC13-9A2E-4220-B098-F8B459937337@inria.fr> Sorry for my late answer; In my opinion, not as bug; might be as an enhancement. Andr? Le 23 f?vr. 10 ? 18:43, Graham Samuel a ?crit : > Yes, I see that now... thanks for pointing it out. > > So should I report this anomaly as a bug, do you think? > > Graham > > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:10:35 +0100, "Andre.Bisseret" > wrote: > >> Le 23 f?vr. 10 ? 17:00, Graham Samuel a ?crit : >> >>> This is a very simple-minded question, but I haven't used behaviors >>> very much. While examining Scott Rossi's charming time-setting >>> stack, I looked at the properties of one of the sliders and noticed >>> that there was no mention of its behavior in any of the inspection >>> categories. However, if I put >>> >>> put the behavior of graphic "startslider" >>> >>> into the Message Box, sure enough, I get the long ID of the button >>> containing the behavior script. >>> >>> So if I didn't know in advance that an object had a behavior, how >>> would I know? Have I just missed something in the Property >>> Inspector? Nothing to be seen in the User docs (but then searching >>> it is tough). >>> >>> Feeling foolish >>> >>> Graham >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bonjour Graham, >> >> For other objects (differents kinds of button, or of fields, ) the >> possible behavior is mentionned at the very bottom of the "basis >> properties" pane in the inspector. >> But, your are right this seems not the case for graphics, nor for >> stacks which however can inherit a behavior. >> >> bizarre ;-) >> >> Best regards from Grenoble >> >> Andr? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mail at john-law.org.uk Wed Feb 24 12:56:10 2010 From: mail at john-law.org.uk (john law) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:56:10 +0000 Subject: Freezing solid Message-ID: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> Greetings As a sometime Hypercard enthusiast I'm slowly getting used to RunRev. How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? I then have to force quit - Mac OS Snow Leopard. Thanks JL John Law Panoramas www.john-law.org.uk mail at john-law.org.uk From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 12:57:04 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:57:04 -0600 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ea148a01002240957t3a8ac058h87c401d41aa2dc29@mail.gmail.com> I did about eighty project euler problems in rev about three years ago. In the process I wrote my own bignum library and many other utility routines. I don't know that any of it was release-worthy, or if I have the stacks anymore. Then I switched to coding in J (which has built-in unlimited precision integers). One thing to consider is that project euler specifically discourages sharing code before you've come up with your own answer. At the site you can't get help, or even enter the forum for a problem, until you've solved it yourself. gc On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: > On 23.02.10 at 15:54 -0300 Andre Garzia apparently wrote: >> >> Done! >> >> checkout >> >> http://wecode.org/euler >> >> you need RevWeb plugin for that. >> >> Cheers >> andre >> PS: check the source code to see some uberpretty revlet loading >> techniques! >> > > > revlet loading techniques? All I get is "plugin not loaded." > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 24 13:00:28 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:00:28 -0800 Subject: Freezing solid In-Reply-To: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> References: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> Message-ID: Um.. we're going to need a little more info than that.... what were you doing at the time? what platform? sample code? do you mean "break out of a loop" ? modal dialog? Are you sure it was a freeze? command period often doesn't work as Rev is fast compared to HC. ? ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 24 February 2010 09:56, john law wrote: > Greetings > As a sometime Hypercard enthusiast I'm slowly getting used to RunRev. > How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? > I then have to force quit - Mac OS Snow Leopard. > > Thanks > > JL > > John Law Panoramas > www.john-law.org.uk > mail at john-law.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 13:01:17 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:01:17 -0600 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> Are we talking about the same #3? The prime factors of 13195 are 5, 7, 13 and 29. What is the largest prime factor of the number 600851475143 ? On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: > I'm pretty proud of this one for #3... SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT... scroll down if you want to see. Great site find, Andre!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put 0 into total > repeat with i=1 to 100 > ?repeat with j=1 to 100 > ? ? if (i=j) then next repeat > ? ? add i*j to total > ?end repeat > end repeat > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 13:04:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:04:46 +0200 Subject: Freezing solid In-Reply-To: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> References: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> Message-ID: <4B856A3E.8020003@gmail.com> On 24/02/2010 19:56, john law wrote: > Greetings > As a sometime Hypercard enthusiast I'm slowly getting used to RunRev. > How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? > I then have to force quit - Mac OS Snow Leopard. > > Thanks > > Oh Dear, I haven't heard about this problem before. Mind you I use a G4 Mac so "Snow" Leopard for me . . . :) Have you got a partition and/or other Mac running Tiger/Leopard? From Ray at LinkIt.Com Wed Feb 24 16:25:24 2010 From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:25:24 -0800 Subject: Altering HTML Text In-Reply-To: <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> References: <5335168E-7D88-420D-B535-5FF287802BBD@LinkIt.Com> <8B16D831-25A3-4A94-B7F0-95C767EC4174@economy-x-talk.com> <98B34F17-1759-4F88-BAF8-11F3C06A4729@LinkIt.Com> <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> Message-ID: <8002E814-0F7E-404E-9445-02C5BD2C6431@LinkIt.Com> I believe I (we) have this one solved. As it turns out, the solution was three-fold. First I had to delete the first 3 strange looking characters (I believe they're meta-characters) of the html source code. I was tempted to do that early on but was concerned it might break something. It turns out it doesn't seem to do any harm. I still don't understand why they're there. Something to do with BOM. Secondly, I had to take care of the partial image paths in the html source code. That's easy with a replace function. Thirdly, I had to uniDecode the html source code before using RevBrowserSet to put it back. The odd looking command looks like this: put uniDecode(uniEncode(myHtmlText,"UTF8")) into myHtmlText This is another thing I don't understand. Why decode something you're encoding at the same time? Anyway, it works. It might be a nice addition to Revolution down the road to be able to print both native Rev controls, like fields, at the same time you're printing browser displays using the RevBrowser stuff. Then none of this would be necessary. Thanks to Bob, Mark, David, Jim, Andr?, and especially Dave Cragg. Dave, you're the man! Ray On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Dave, > > Try inserting a line with the base tag before everything else: > > > > This will cause the references to be relative to the base you define. > > Bob > > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: > >> Ray >> >> I was able to add a line and redisplay it (almost) by doing >> something like this: >> >> put revBrowserGet(gBrowserD, "htmltext") into tHtmlText >> replace "" with "

Extra line

" in tHtmlText >> # put empty into char 1 to 3 of tHtmlText ## not necessary it >> seems (removing the utf-8 BOM mark at the beginning) >> put uniDecode(uniEncode(tHtmlText, "UTF8")) into tHtmlText >> revBrowserSet gBrowserD, "htmltext", tHtmlText >> >> I said "almost" because there's a problem with the image in the >> html. It uses a relative url (../images/5067210.Jpeg). When you use >> revBrowserSet to set the htmltext property, the base url is no >> longer the same as when loaded directly from the server. So some >> more manipulation of the image src urls would be needed. >> >> I notice that the html has the "head" element inside the "body" >> element. Although my browser seems happy with that (Safari), it >> doesn't seem right. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> >> On 23 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Ray Horsley wrote: >> >>> If I use the RevBrowser library handlers to display it in an image >>> I can then get the htmlText of the 'instance' using the >>> RevBrowserGet() function. That's where I get strange looking >>> characters. If I then set the htmlText of the same image using >>> RevBrowserSet, passing the return I got from RevBrowserGet(), the >>> display turns weird. I'll include, below, a little bit of the >>> weird return I get from the RevBrowserGet() function after >>> displaying the above URL. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> ???
>> style="font-size:14pt; font-family: Times; font-weight: bold;text- >>> align:center;">Arrowhead Farm
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>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 24 13:35:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:35:01 -0600 Subject: Freezing solid In-Reply-To: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> References: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> Message-ID: <4B857155.6050008@hyperactivesw.com> john law wrote: > Greetings > As a sometime Hypercard enthusiast I'm slowly getting used to RunRev. > How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? > I then have to force quit - Mac OS Snow Leopard. Sounds like an infinite loop. Post some sample scripts. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 24 13:38:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:38:28 -0600 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I am having a problem getting sounds to play in a revLet in revWeb plugin. > > I have tried both of these methods using imported audio clips: > lock screen > go card 2 > unlock screen with visual effect dissolve very fast with sound "boing.wav" > > and: > > play audioClip "boing.wav" > > Both of these crash the browser window or hang it up in a frozen state. I was wondering if anyone else can play a simple sound in the plugin? Also, I am going to try different formats today to see if that might clear this up. Any experience from other users? They play in the IDE, right? So it isn't a case of wrong encoding? Visual effects aren't supported in revlets yet, so I'd take that out of the equation permanently for now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 13:50:47 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:50:47 -0800 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: How do you do something permanently for now? Is that a function of your Time Travel stack again? ;-P Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:38 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Visual effects aren't supported in revlets yet, so I'd take that out of the equation permanently for now. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 24 13:57:36 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:57:36 -0600 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B8576A0.3040107@hyperactivesw.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > How do you do something permanently for now? Is that a function of > your Time Travel stack again? ;-P It's a time *warp* stack, not a time travel stack. Actual time travel is impossible due to the gravitational constant of the universe, which was adequatedly described by Que in some other dimension of reality. But the short answer is, it will be. I mean, it was. I mean, it will be. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Feb 24 13:58:04 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:58:04 +0100 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> Message-ID: <65CD043A-3DAD-46E6-A2E7-C9379D20CBBE@major.on-rev.com> Hi Thomas, > I am having a problem getting sounds to play in a revLet in revWeb plugin. > I have tried both of these methods using imported audio clips: > lock screen > go card 2 > unlock screen with visual effect dissolve very fast with sound "boing.wav" > and: > play audioClip "boing.wav" > Both of these crash the browser window or hang it up in a frozen state. I was wondering if anyone else can play a simple sound in the plugin? Also, I am going to try different formats today to see if that might clear this up. Any experience from other users? > > Thanks for any feedback. I always use the AU format, which never failed for me and I even got this working in a Revlet with "play ac xyz.au" > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 14:07:17 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:07:17 -0800 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <4B8576A0.3040107@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> <4B8576A0.3040107@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7457AD4D-2F7C-4FF6-8E75-99F8828A0B0F@twft.com> Well I finally got ahold of Jacque's time *warp* stack (excuuuuuuuse meeeee!), at which point I warped time and installed it on my first computer. (There are no colors in a wormhole btw.) after I restored time, it turns out I have always had it! Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:57 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Bob Sneidar wrote: >> How do you do something permanently for now? Is that a function of >> your Time Travel stack again? ;-P > > It's a time *warp* stack, not a time travel stack. Actual time travel is impossible due to the gravitational constant of the universe, which was adequatedly described by Que in some other dimension of reality. > > But the short answer is, it will be. I mean, it was. I mean, it will be. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From johncanmail-all at yahoo.it Wed Feb 24 14:33:06 2010 From: johncanmail-all at yahoo.it (Giovanni Cannizzaro) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:33:06 +0100 Subject: Goin' crazy with a windows error!!! Message-ID: <4B857EF2.2080807@yahoo.it> Hi all. As object I'm going really crazy with an error causin a Windows crash. No way to trace it. I got it randomly (or it seems to be). "try ... end try" can't intercept it. Really ugly. Here u can find the windows' report of the error: http://pastebin.com/D9qyJ4ud And here is the scenario: I use a really simple datagrid (table format, populated with the dgText) in a stack called in the modal way. Before the modal call of the stack I open the stack invisible, populate the dataGrid and re-close it in this way: open inv stack "nStack" set the dgText of grp "myDG" of stack "nStack" to myText close stack "nStack" set the vis of stack "nStack" to true modal stack "nStack" I know it's not simple to help me but I really don't know what really cause the error... See u and TY From briany at qldlearning.com Wed Feb 24 14:47:47 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:47:47 -0500 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No, we're actually talking about #6 =). I put them in order of difficulty and this becomes the 3rd one... but it's actually id 6. > Are we talking about the same #3? > > The prime factors of 13195 are 5, 7, 13 and 29. > > What is the largest prime factor of the number 600851475143 ? > > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: >> I'm pretty proud of this one for #3... SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT... scroll down if you want to see. Great site find, Andre!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> put 0 into total >> repeat with i=1 to 100 >> repeat with j=1 to 100 >> if (i=j) then next repeat >> add i*j to total >> end repeat >> end repeat >> >> _____ From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 15:10:06 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:10:06 -0800 Subject: Freezing solid In-Reply-To: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> References: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> Message-ID: <41400A64-4DC4-4189-BBF7-68F2A0880C88@twft.com> If it turns out to be an infinite loop, sometimes you can hold the escape key down. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, john law wrote: > Greetings > As a sometime Hypercard enthusiast I'm slowly getting used to RunRev. > How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? > I then have to force quit - Mac OS Snow Leopard. > > Thanks > > JL > > John Law Panoramas > www.john-law.org.uk > mail at john-law.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 15:14:39 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:14:39 -0800 Subject: Goin' crazy with a windows error!!! In-Reply-To: <4B857EF2.2080807@yahoo.it> References: <4B857EF2.2080807@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <7BF121F4-817D-42E7-896B-237D47C1CEF5@twft.com> The error seems to mention xdent.exe a lot. That is some kind of dentistry utility. Are you sure it's your rev stack that is crashing? Could another process be causing a memory problem? Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote: > Hi all. > > As object I'm going really crazy with an error causin a Windows crash. > No way to trace it. > I got it randomly (or it seems to be). > "try ... end try" can't intercept it. > Really ugly. > > Here u can find the windows' report of the error: > > http://pastebin.com/D9qyJ4ud > > And here is the scenario: > I use a really simple datagrid (table format, populated with the dgText) in a stack called in the modal way. > Before the modal call of the stack I open the stack invisible, populate the dataGrid and re-close it in this way: > > open inv stack "nStack" > set the dgText of grp "myDG" of stack "nStack" to myText > close stack "nStack" > set the vis of stack "nStack" to true > modal stack "nStack" > > I know it's not simple to help me but I really don't know what really cause the error... > See u and TY > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Wed Feb 24 17:15:27 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:15:27 +0000 Subject: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names Message-ID: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Hi, i am fiddling with DataGrids at the moment. For that i am reading the Revolution_Data_Grid.pdf and trying out the samples. But i get the sample of page 19 not working on mouseUp ## Create tab delimited data. ## Note that first line has name of columns. ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map ## data to appropriate columns. put "state" & tab & "code" & cr & "ALABAMA" & tab & "AL" & cr & "ALASKA" & tab & "AK" into theText ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group "DataGrid 1" to theText end mouseUp Nothing is put into the DataGrid. If i change the line put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames into put false into firstLineContainsColumnNames then the Datagrid is filled. Am i doing something wrong? Is there a typo in the line? I copied the script directly from the PDF. Regards, Matthias From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Feb 24 17:19:07 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:19:07 -0700 Subject: [semi-OT]simulating onSubmit in post In-Reply-To: <86CEBBDD-DDA0-4B7B-9E35-03770CD564B1@mac.com> References: <20100223234103.1508B28847A@mail.runrev.com> <86CEBBDD-DDA0-4B7B-9E35-03770CD564B1@mac.com> Message-ID: <32BEA8C9-4B5D-40DE-ACD1-8B188628BE68@byu.edu> Thanks, Graham, Martin and Jim for your thoughtful and most helpful replies. Let me respond to a few of your points. On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > > I for one don't think this is OT at all: I have struggled to > understand how to extract stuff from web sites in a more complicated > way than the simple examples given in the Rev documentation. I got a > lot of help from this list (especially from SparkOut >) but I still remain profoundly ignorant. For instance, I wanted to > know in a similar situation if I could effectively by-pass the JS > function while capturing the web-based data and then replicate its > functionality within my Rev program. IMHO anything that sheds light > on the kind of topic would help strengthen the use of Rev in the > area of interacting with web services, so must be of interest to > many Revvers. Since I am teaching my students about this topic this year, I am trying to distill what I am learning on my revolution.byu.edu web site. I have posted the following inter-linked pages that deal with GET and POST and Rev: http://revolution.byu.edu/internet/webServices.php http://revolution.byu.edu/internet/webServicesTerms.php http://revolution.byu.edu/internet/getMethodSteps.php http://revolution.byu.edu/internet/postMethodSteps.php http://revolution.byu.edu/internet/aboutForms.php I hope that others may find them informative (and that others won't be shy about pointing out errors if they find them.) On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: > In the url instanced below, unless I'm misunderstanding what you are > trying to do, if you make a properly formed POST direct to > someurl.htm?loadpage, direct from a script or a stack for instance, > the > onSubmit event in the html form is almost certainly irrelevant, > because > it is only triggered in the browser when the user clicks the submit > element, and wouldn't apply in other cases. > > Have you experienced some issue that makes you think it is relevant? < Comments about JS client-side vs. server-side validation clipped.> Thanks, Martin. That is what I suspected, but being a JS novice, it was helpful to have it confirmed. I had thought I had carefully parsed the form tag on the page in question and replicated the required arguments in my stack. However I still couldn't get the server to respond with the desired information. As it turns out then, the validation function was a red herring, and I discovered the problem after reading Jim Ault's enlightening reply. He gave a very helpful summary of various types of validation using server-side forms, client- side JavaScript, and AJAX server-side "live-typing" validation. But this bit of advice is what helped me find my error: On Feb 24, 2010, at 3:58 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > server-side FORM > The way I use is to go into FireFox, activate the add-on using menu > Tools:Live HTTP Headers, fill in the form, then capture the headers > that are send by the browser. The headers will include the GET and > POST data (of course). Now you can use Rev to manipulate the Headers > (see the Rev dictionary) before submitting a form. Once I installed Live HTTP Headers in Firefox, I could clearly see that I had failed to find some of the required arguments when I first looked through the form tag in the page source. I went back to the page source, and sure enough, found some hidden inputs that the page author had included after the submit input, but before the closing "" element. Nearly all of the other forms I've looked at have the submit input as the very last element in the form. So what tripped me up was a (to me at least) oddly-written form element in the page source. Thanks, Jim, for the tip on a very helpful tool. And thanks again everyone for your help. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From effendi at wanadoo.fr Wed Feb 24 17:20:39 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:20:39 +0100 Subject: Freezing solid Message-ID: <9219EFA7-EEDA-466A-97A4-F2E9775EEB7A@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Hi John, Tell us what you are trying to do, tell us what Rev version you are using, and on what system : and we may be able to help. - Francis From bobs at twft.com Wed Feb 24 17:33:05 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:33:05 -0800 Subject: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names In-Reply-To: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Are you sure the column names match the names of the columns in your import text? Note that I do NOT mean the column LABEL which is different than the column NAME. Bob On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:15 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Hi, > > i am fiddling with DataGrids at the moment. For that i am reading the Revolution_Data_Grid.pdf and trying out the samples. But i get the sample of page 19 not working > > on mouseUp > ## Create tab delimited data. > ## Note that first line has name of columns. > ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map > ## data to appropriate columns. > put "state" & tab & "code" & cr & "ALABAMA" & tab & "AL" & cr & "ALASKA" & tab & "AK" into theText > ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group "DataGrid 1" to theText > end mouseUp > > Nothing is put into the DataGrid. > If i change the line > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > into > put false into firstLineContainsColumnNames > then the Datagrid is filled. Am i doing something wrong? > Is there a typo in the line? I copied the script directly from the PDF. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:49:58 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:49:58 +0100 Subject: altRevBrowser Noob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64bda6471002241449j312a4edcv69a0cb6a670c70a7@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/13 Bob Sneidar : > Whoops! Spoke too soon. It seems that once you click in the browser window, neither clicks nor keystrokes ever make it into the Rev engine ever again. On the Mac as well as in Windows, if the browser is not clicked, hitting the Q key will quit the app (because I trap that rawkeydown and quit). Once the user clicks however, it's game over. > > So if anyone really understands the inner workings of the altRevBrowser, could you tell me if there is any way to get the browser to allow events to get to the IDE? I would think that the browser would pass events to the IDE, but I may be mistaken. > > For the future, it might be better if the browser works within an object like a field or an image or a button, instead of splashing in front of every object. Admittedly, this is not a problem for most people, because you would never put a rev object where the browser is being rendered. > > For now I will put a small Quit button at the top of the window and that will have to suffice for now. > > Bob Hi Bob, By playing in my Lab, I remembered your problem. Not sure is useful now, but this is maybe a solution if I assume that you have no need to enter in the revBrowser object. Instead to have a quit button behind the revBrowser, create a kind of mask front of it. For doing that mask 1) Create a substack with no shadow, empty controls, not resizable and "Float above everything" 2) Fix its blending level to 94 (it seems the limit to have a (almost) transparent stack responding to click) 3) Place your quit code in the script of your stack mask Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 18:07:21 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:07:21 +0100 Subject: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names In-Reply-To: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002241507p6ce9864cx52c83b1eabf30609@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/24 : > Hi, > > i am fiddling with DataGrids at the moment. ?For that i am reading the Revolution_Data_Grid.pdf ?and trying out the samples. But i get the sample of page 19 not working > > on mouseUp > ## Create tab delimited data. > ## Note that first line has name of columns. > ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map > ## data to appropriate columns. > put "state" & tab & "code" & cr & "ALABAMA" & tab & "AL" & cr & "ALASKA" & tab & "AK" into theText > ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group "DataGrid 1" to theText > end mouseUp > > Nothing is put into the DataGrid. > If i change the line > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > into > put false into firstLineContainsColumnNames > then the Datagrid is filled. Am i doing something wrong? > Is there a typo in the line? I copied the script directly from the PDF. > > Regards, > > Matthias Hello Matthias, It was discuss before with the same question by Jim Hurley ;) Here is the thread relative to this question: http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg127457.html Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 24 22:12:40 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:12:40 -0500 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I am using a lot of visual effects, any ideas when they might be supported??? Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:38 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Visual effects aren't supported in revlets yet, so I'd take that out of the equation permanently for now. From index at kenjikojima.com Wed Feb 24 22:47:11 2010 From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:47:11 -0500 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <3D4BE2CA-FF3F-4EFF-A76B-0B92DC96108E@kenjikojima.com> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I am using a lot of visual effects, any ideas when they might be supported??? > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:38 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Visual effects aren't supported in revlets yet, so I'd take that out of the equation permanently for now. Wipe right and wipe left work. http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/ This uses blend & wipe. http://www.kenjikojima.com/rgbmusicrenga/nycsubway/ -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/rgbmusicrenga/ From joef1 at mac.com Wed Feb 24 22:58:04 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:58:04 -0500 Subject: Can browser send a command to a servlet? In-Reply-To: <751187.25668.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <751187.25668.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11A5ACD9-6298-4CA9-B0D9-729064C0D1B9@mac.com> I was just struggling with this recently: The short answer is, you can't at the moment. Not directly anyway. The revletParams[] array consists of the plugin parameters loaded when the revlet loads. You can see them in the HTML source as elements of the object and embed tags. There's another lesson that shows all this: http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7806-How-do-I-pass-data-from-a-webpage-to-a-plugin- Trouble is that the revletParams only load at openStack. A workaround is to use a revlet to rewrite the web page, including the data you want to pass, then reload it. Another way would be to just write data to a file, which could be either local or on the server, then read from that file with your revlet. You would have to make sure that the plugin requests permission from the user to do either. This works pretty well though, and you can use the server file to load everything you need, edit the file, then have the revlet reload it (or read items from it) within the same session. Joe F. On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > The following lesson shows how to send a command from a revlet to > the browser. > > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/8173-How-do-I-communicate-with-the-browser-from-a-plugin- > > Might anyone know how to go the other way: click a button on the > browser and have it do something in the revlet. The goal, of course, > is to make the roundtrip. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 25 01:01:09 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:01:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scripting Graphic Effects In-Reply-To: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am confused with respect to scripting graphic effects. In the property inspector, they can be boolean (you check them or you don't; once checked, you can set other attributes, or not), but the docs present it in terms of an array. What I would like to do is set the colorOverlay to a color value on mouseEnter and then TURN THE WHOLE THING OFF on mouseLeave. Seemingly you cannot set it to false... would the answer be changing the HSV value? What is the color value of no color overlay? 0 saturation? Hmmm... no, that didn't seem to work. Am clueless! TIA, Judy From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 01:02:12 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:02:12 +0800 Subject: [OT] Drifting off topic In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002231128u2916080cl15e81dbaae90b633@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100223041102.CBAE22883DF@mail.runrev.com> <4B842625.6090600@hyperactivesw.com> <7c87a2a11002231128u2916080cl15e81dbaae90b633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > is it like couchsurfing? > That would depend on the brainwaves :-) From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 01:28:58 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:28:58 +0800 Subject: Freezing solid In-Reply-To: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> References: <197A7969-2F76-43C0-976A-754C55E18C1B@john-law.org.uk> Message-ID: John, Sometimes you are lucky, and in this situation, where cmd-period does nothing, and you can't get menu control via the mouse, keyboard shortcuts still work, so cmd-s will save your work and as an added bonus, sometimes even brings the stack back to life. If it doesn't, when you Force Quit you'll find that nothing has been lost :-). Sometimes, cmd-q works, to Quit, but if you click on the Cancel button, again the stack comes back to life. In this case I usually immediately Save. For this to work the Rev IDE menu must be at the front, so either I click on one of my stacks that has no menu of it's own, or I have to click on the Property Inspector or the Message Box. Sometimes I need to click another application (Preview) to bring it to the front then click on the Property Inspector, Message Box or Rev Dock Icon to 'activate' the Rev IDE menu. HTH PS I write terrible code so I attribute Rev's Lock-up more to my failings rather than Revs ;-) On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:56 AM, john law wrote: > Greetings > As a sometime Hypercard enthusiast I'm slowly getting used to RunRev. > How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? > I then have to force quit - Mac OS Snow Leopard. > > Thanks > > JL > > John Law Panoramas > www.john-law.org.uk > mail at john-law.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 01:39:11 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:39:11 +1000 Subject: Scripting Graphic Effects In-Reply-To: References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> Message-ID: > I am confused with respect to scripting graphic effects. ?In the property > inspector, they can be boolean (you check them or you don't; once checked, > you can set other attributes, or not), but the docs present it in terms of > an array. > > What I would like to do is set the colorOverlay to a color value on > mouseEnter and then TURN THE WHOLE THING OFF on mouseLeave. > > Seemingly you cannot set it to false... would the answer be changing the HSV > value? ?What is the color value of no color overlay? ?0 saturation? Hmmm... > no, that didn't seem to work. ?Am clueless! Each of the graphic effects has an array containing all it's settings. Each of these arrays has a "color" element which can be used to turn the effect on or off. The other elements vary according to which graphic effect you are using, but none of them will have any effect without a color. So to do what you had on mind, try this script: on mouseEnter set the colorOverlay["color"] of me to "red" end mouseEnter on mouseLeave set the colorOverlay of me to empty end mouseLeave Cheers, Sarah From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 25 01:46:10 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:46:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scripting Graphic Effects In-Reply-To: References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> Message-ID: Ahhh... empty. Not none. Not false. Not noop or nope or... :-P Right. I could set the color to something but couldn't figure out how to undo it. Thank you Sarah :-) Judy On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > on mouseEnter > set the colorOverlay["color"] of me to "red" > end mouseEnter > > on mouseLeave > set the colorOverlay of me to empty > end mouseLeave From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 25 01:52:49 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:52:49 +0000 Subject: Re-2: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names Message-ID: <00000C80.4B862C4E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Hi, zryip. Thanks for the link. Seems that i have missed that topic. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names (25-Feb-2010 7:50) From: zryip theSlug To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > 2010/2/24 : > > Hi, > > > > i am fiddling with DataGrids at the moment. ?For that i am reading the > > Revolution_Data_Grid.pdf ?and trying out the samples. But i get the sample > > of page 19 not working > > > > on mouseUp > > ## Create tab delimited data. > > ## Note that first line has name of columns. > > ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map > > ## data to appropriate columns. > > put "state" & tab & "code" & cr & "ALABAMA" & tab & "AL" & cr & "ALASKA" & > > tab & "AK" into theText > > ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names > > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > > set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group "DataGrid 1" to > > theText > > end mouseUp > > > > Nothing is put into the DataGrid. > > If i change the line > > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > > into > > put false into firstLineContainsColumnNames > > then the Datagrid is filled. Am i doing something wrong? > > Is there a typo in the line? I copied the script directly from the PDF. > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > Hello Matthias, > > It was discuss before with the same question by Jim Hurley ;) > > Here is the thread relative to this question: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg127457.html > > > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 25 02:57:32 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:57:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <3D4BE2CA-FF3F-4EFF-A76B-0B92DC96108E@kenjikojima.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> <3D4BE2CA-FF3F-4EFF-A76B-0B92DC96108E@kenjikojima.com> Message-ID: Dissolve also works. http://jperryl.ecs.fullerton.edu/test2.html Judy On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Kenji Kojima wrote: > Wipe right and wipe left work. > http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/ > > This uses blend & wipe. > http://www.kenjikojima.com/rgbmusicrenga/nycsubway/ From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 03:18:50 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:18:50 +0000 Subject: Goin' crazy with a windows error!!! In-Reply-To: <4B857EF2.2080807@yahoo.it> References: <4B857EF2.2080807@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote: > And here is the scenario: > I use a really simple datagrid (table format, populated with the dgText) in > a stack called in the modal way. > Before the modal call of the stack I open the stack invisible, populate the > dataGrid and re-close it in this way: > > open inv stack "nStack" > set the dgText of grp "myDG" of stack "nStack" to myText > close stack "nStack" > set the vis of stack "nStack" to true > modal stack "nStack" > On Vista I just created a stack containing no more than a DataGrid, and put the code snippet in a handler in the stack. It didn't crash. Could it be there is a problem caused by something else that you did not mention in the above description? Or have I just duplicated your conditions exactly and what doesn't crash for me, does crash for you? Bernard From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 25 03:37:54 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:37:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> <3D4BE2CA-FF3F-4EFF-A76B-0B92DC96108E@kenjikojima.com> Message-ID: As does iris open (no link; too tired to upload). But now it doesn't like one of my wav's... :-/ Judy On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Judy Perry wrote: > Dissolve also works. > http://jperryl.ecs.fullerton.edu/test2.html From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Feb 25 05:18:33 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:18:33 +0100 Subject: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names In-Reply-To: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000C24.4B85B30E@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Bonjour Matthias, I have had the same problem as you can see in the thread that Zryip pointed out Have a look at page 44 in the Trevor' doc; it says: "Note that if pFirstLineContainsHeaders is true then the columns must already exist in your data grid table in order to be displayed." So you have to create the columns and their name first Either by hand in the Columns pane of the inspector or by script as in the following example : -- drag a new data grid and do : --------- put "Name" & cr & "ForeName" into theColNames set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "dataGrid 1" to theColNames --------- Then you can populate it with pFirstLineContainsHeaders like this: ------- put "Name" & tab & "ForeName" & cr & "Smith" & tab & "Jim" into theData set the dgText[true] of grp "dataGrid 1" to theData -------- Best regards from Genoble Andr? Le 24 f?vr. 10 ? 23:15, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de a ?crit : > Hi, > > i am fiddling with DataGrids at the moment. For that i am reading > the Revolution_Data_Grid.pdf and trying out the samples. But i get > the sample of page 19 not working > > on mouseUp > ## Create tab delimited data. > ## Note that first line has name of columns. > ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map > ## data to appropriate columns. > put "state" & tab & "code" & cr & "ALABAMA" & tab & "AL" & cr & > "ALASKA" & tab & "AK" into theText > ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group "DataGrid > 1" to theText > end mouseUp > > Nothing is put into the DataGrid. > If i change the line > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > into > put false into firstLineContainsColumnNames > then the Datagrid is filled. Am i doing something wrong? > Is there a typo in the line? I copied the script directly from the > PDF. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 05:36:49 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:36:49 +0900 Subject: what applications are running Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Had no idea how to frame the subject line... Is there a way that a Rev stack can find out what applications on a Windows machine (and Mac?) are already running? Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 05:47:12 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:47:12 +0900 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Andr?. The "lock screen" did the trick. -- Nicolas Cueto From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Feb 25 06:07:07 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:07:07 +0100 Subject: what applications are running In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Nicolas, This might work: function programs if the platform is "MacOS" then -- only OSX! put shell("ps -xcw") into myList put offset("COMMAND",myList) into myColPos repeat for each line myLine in myList put char myColPos to -1 of myLine & cr after myNewList end repeat filter myNewList without "(*" return line 2 to -1 of myNewList else if the platform is "Win32" then put line 4 to -1 of shell("tasklist") into myList repeat for each line myLine in myList put word 1 of myLine & cr after myNewList end repeat return line 1 to -2 of myNewList else return empty end if end programs The MacOS part might also work on Linux, but I'm not sure. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 07:04:44 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:04:44 +0900 Subject: what applications are running In-Reply-To: References: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002250404g66187ce8l2eb03d6e1842b16c@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, Mark. Unfortunately, it appears from documentation that the command-line tool "tasklist" is only part of WinXP Professional, but my machines run WinXP Home and Win2K. Perhaps some other shell command? -- Nicolas Cueto From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Feb 25 07:28:31 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:28:31 +0100 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> Nicolas, If you find it nice, you could also add a visual effect (or two,) : ---------- lock screen set the visible of this stack to false go to cd 1 of stack "theMainStack" visual effect iris open -- or : "visual effect shrink to center to black", or "visual effect stretch from center to card" -- or a mix of the two last ones : --visual effect shrink to center to black" --"visual effect stretch from center to card" open stack "theSubStack" Andr? Le 25 f?vr. 10 ? 11:47, Nicolas Cueto a ?crit : > Thanks Andr?. The "lock screen" did the trick. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 07:39:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:39:23 +0200 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> Message-ID: <4B866F7B.4080704@gmail.com> Wow, another naive question from Richmond . . . :) What does "cleanly" in "navigating cleanly" mean? I assume (possibly wrongly) that you mean that the end-user is unaware s/he is actually changing from the main stack to a substack. If that is so important why do you bother to have a substack at all (memory overheads? multimedia storage?) when you could just navigate to another part of the main stack? Personally, when I use substacks it is because I want the end-user to experience 2 'windows' or a 'window' and a palette on-screen. --------------------------------------------------- The natural response to "navigating cleanly" is to ask what "navigating dirtily" is; and presumably the answer should come from Steve Jobs who doesn't seem very keen on it given the 'thing' with the 'fleshly' iPhone apps . . . :) From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 07:40:27 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:40:27 +0900 Subject: what applications are running In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002250404g66187ce8l2eb03d6e1842b16c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250404g66187ce8l2eb03d6e1842b16c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002250440k3d3e900cnbf033c42af338e53@mail.gmail.com> Found a way around the problem of missing "tasklist" for applying Mark Schonewille's solution. The "tasklist" tool is available for download. Which I did, placing it in the Sys32 folder. So Mark's solution now works for WinXP Home. Then, for Win2K, I placed into the Sys32 folder a tool similar to "tasklist" called "pulist". And Mark's solution now works on that platform too. Neat! -- Nicolas Cueto From GWolfgang at gaich.de Thu Feb 25 08:00:19 2010 From: GWolfgang at gaich.de (G.Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:00:19 +0100 Subject: what applications are running In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002250440k3d3e900cnbf033c42af338e53@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250404g66187ce8l2eb03d6e1842b16c@mail.gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250440k3d3e900cnbf033c42af338e53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267102819.6353.5.camel@gyWork> Hi Nicolas, I use the pslist tool from sysinternals PsTools. Copy it to a folder and then shell("[yourfolder\]pslist"). It works on Win98 to 7. hth G. Wolfgang Am Donnerstag, den 25.02.2010, 21:40 +0900 schrieb Nicolas Cueto: > Found a way around the problem of missing "tasklist" for applying Mark > Schonewille's solution. > > The "tasklist" tool is available for download. Which I did, placing it > in the Sys32 folder. So Mark's solution now works for WinXP Home. > > Then, for Win2K, I placed into the Sys32 folder a tool similar to > "tasklist" called "pulist". And Mark's solution now works on that > platform too. > > Neat! > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Thu Feb 25 08:05:17 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:05:17 +0000 Subject: Freezing solid In-Reply-To: <20100224180004.6D3DD2884C7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100224180004.6D3DD2884C7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <188B6702-CBD4-4716-8609-BFB1EA6E0749@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> On 24 Feb 2010, at 6:00 pm, John Law wrote: > How does one prevent the program locking up in the middle of a job? Never, ever, make any mistakes in your scripts :-D David Glasgow PS I can risk this facetiousness, because I know good and wise list members will give you sound and helpful advice From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 08:13:09 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:13:09 +0900 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <4B866F7B.4080704@gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> <4B866F7B.4080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002250513w5bca9e7cw4c8e563394d2a306@mail.gmail.com> Richmond asked a couple of questions: > What does "cleanly" in "navigating cleanly" mean? > I assume (possibly wrongly) that you mean that the > end-user is unaware s/he is actually changing from > the main stack to a substack. Yes, that "unawareness" factor is what I'm after. The way it was setup before, the monitor screen would go blank between the time the mainstack closed and the next stack opened. By the way, I wrote "substacks" originally. That was a mistake on my part. What I am actually working on is "mainstack-to-stack", not "mainstack-to-substack". > If that is so important why do you bother to have a substack at > all (memory overheads? multimedia storage?) when you > could just navigate to another part of the main stack? Mostly, to avoid the mainstack bloating in standalone-size as I add game-stacks in the future. Plus, I feel safer with passwords and urls enclosed within a standalone rather than in password protected stacks. If you're still curious about other reasons, my mainstack is where: (a) are links to the various game-stacks, each of a purpose, format and layout completely different (b) the login happens, which only need be done once for any of the game-stacks (when a game is finished, user returns to the mainstack to chose another game) (c) are held common functions that the game-stacks require for connecting to an on-rev cgi Incidentally, some other important commands I'm (re-)learning to work with for this are: -- start using stack XXXX -- set the stackFiles of stack tThisStacksName to tStackFiles Yoroshiku. -- Nicolas Cueto From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu Feb 25 08:56:12 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:56:12 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? Message-ID: Bonjour, I need an annual calendar, one which could be display entirely on one card of a stack. Something like 12 rows, one for each months. Does someone know if that has already been done with runrev and if it is possible to get it somewhere? Thanks a lot in advance for any clue Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 09:21:48 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:21:48 -0600 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ea148a01002250621l4ebee9d7n85adb66e65ff0639@mail.gmail.com> It's hurting my head trying to figure out why yours works. ;-) That said, it's very slow. The simple brute force method is roughly 100 times faster (since it doesn't iterate 10,000 times but only 100): put 0 into total put 0 into summer repeat with i = 1 to 100 subtract i^2 from total add i to summer end repeat add summer^2 to total _That_ said, I believe there is yet a faster way. I believe yours is O(n^5), mine is O(n^3), but O(n^2) is possible. (If someone understands big O notation better than I do feel free to jump in here) gc On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > No, we're actually talking about #6 =). > > I put them in order of difficulty and this becomes the 3rd one... but it's actually id 6. > >> Are we talking about the same #3? >> >> The prime factors of 13195 are 5, 7, 13 and 29. >> >> What is the largest prime factor of the number 600851475143 ? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: >>> I'm pretty proud of this one for #3... SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT... scroll down if you want to see. Great site find, Andre!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> put 0 into total >>> repeat with i=1 to 100 >>> repeat with j=1 to 100 >>> ? ?if (i=j) then next repeat >>> ? ?add i*j to total >>> end repeat >>> end repeat >>> >>> _____ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Feb 25 09:45:20 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:45:20 +0100 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived Message-ID: <002c01cab629$282fb510$788f1f30$@de> FYI: 25.02.2010, finally the Conference-DVDs (09, not 10!) arrived in Germany, so probably another eight weeks to down under J Tiemo From msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Feb 25 09:51:53 2010 From: msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Siskin) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:51:53 -0500 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <002c01cab629$282fb510$788f1f30$@de> References: <002c01cab629$282fb510$788f1f30$@de> Message-ID: <995F3E39-DD29-4EDC-929C-295685760798@andrew.cmu.edu> Tiemo, When did you order your DVDs? Were you an early adopter (back in June) or did you order them later? Thanks. Marc On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > FYI: > > 25.02.2010, finally the Conference-DVDs (09, not 10!) arrived in Germany, so > probably another eight weeks to down under J > > Tiemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > --------------- Marc Siskin Manager, Modern Language Resource Center Carnegie Mellon University msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 25 09:59:17 2010 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:59:17 +0000 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <995F3E39-DD29-4EDC-929C-295685760798@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: On 25/02/2010 14:51, "Marc Siskin" wrote: > When did you order your DVDs? Were you an early adopter (back in June) or did > you order them later? Most of you have your DVDs at this point. I do sincerely apologize to those the small numbers that still don't. We will be writing to you today with an explanation and update. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 10:03:22 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:03:22 -0600 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: <8ea148a01002250621l4ebee9d7n85adb66e65ff0639@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002250621l4ebee9d7n85adb66e65ff0639@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ea148a01002250703y28fc74f3j13fbe1d3bf2fb66e@mail.gmail.com> Ah, now I understand how yours works -- that _is_ quite clever! gc On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > It's hurting my head trying to figure out why yours works. ;-) > > That said, it's very slow. The simple brute force method is roughly > 100 times faster (since it doesn't iterate 10,000 times but only 100): > > ? ? ?put 0 into total > ? ? ?put 0 into summer > ? ? ?repeat with i = 1 to 100 > ? ? ? ? subtract i^2 from total > ? ? ? ? add i to summer > ? ? ?end repeat > ? ? ?add summer^2 to total > > _That_ said, I believe there is yet a faster way. I believe yours is > O(n^5), mine is O(n^3), but O(n^2) is possible. (If someone > understands big O notation better than I do feel free to jump in here) > > gc > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: >> No, we're actually talking about #6 =). >> >> I put them in order of difficulty and this becomes the 3rd one... but it's actually id 6. >> >>> Are we talking about the same #3? >>> >>> The prime factors of 13195 are 5, 7, 13 and 29. >>> >>> What is the largest prime factor of the number 600851475143 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: >>>> I'm pretty proud of this one for #3... SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT... scroll down if you want to see. Great site find, Andre!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> put 0 into total >>>> repeat with i=1 to 100 >>>> repeat with j=1 to 100 >>>> ? ?if (i=j) then next repeat >>>> ? ?add i*j to total >>>> end repeat >>>> end repeat >>>> >>>> _____ >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > From ian at runrev.com Thu Feb 25 10:17:11 2010 From: ian at runrev.com (Ian Macphail) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:17:11 +0000 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: <8ea148a01002250621l4ebee9d7n85adb66e65ff0639@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002250621l4ebee9d7n85adb66e65ff0639@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B869477.1070103@runrev.com> put 100 into n put n * (n + 1) * (2 * n - 2) / 6 into total ;) From ian at runrev.com Thu Feb 25 10:21:32 2010 From: ian at runrev.com (Ian Macphail) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:21:32 +0000 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: <4B869477.1070103@runrev.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a11002230856j756e56bet8093f693ab245443@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46@mail.gmail.com> <8ea148a01002250621l4ebee9d7n85adb66e65ff0639@mail.gmail.com> <4B869477.1070103@runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B86957C.2000905@runrev.com> Ian Macphail wrote: > put 100 into n > put n * (n + 1) * (2 * n - 2) / 6 into total > > ;) > > _________________ Oops! forgot it was the square of the sum. put 100 into n put n * (n + 1) / 2 into a put n * (n + 1) * (2 * n + 1) / 6 into b put a * a - b into total From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 10:24:01 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:24:01 -0500 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <995F3E39-DD29-4EDC-929C-295685760798@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <325413301002250724x6f8b33cyf1946df780b40d28@mail.gmail.com> Still waiting.... Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > On 25/02/2010 14:51, "Marc Siskin" wrote: > > > When did you order your DVDs? Were you an early adopter (back in June) > or did > > you order them later? > > Most of you have your DVDs at this point. I do sincerely apologize to those > the small numbers that still don't. We will be writing to you today with an > explanation and update. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 10:27:47 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:27:47 -0600 Subject: On-Rev and setting cookies Message-ID: <3DAF5CAE-C364-4CB8-BB92-8FACF4C89204@gmail.com> I'm having one helluva time trying to get a single cookie set from my irev files. It doesn't seem to matter what I do, unless I manually set it using the tag, the cookie doesn't show up on my system. put "test=foobar;" into tCookie put header "Set-Cookie:" && tCookie This just doesn't work no matter what I do, where I put it, etc. Everything I read on the On-Rev forums leads me to believe that it should. Note: I actually can't get any 'put header' calls to do what they are supposed to (redirects, etc). Am I missing something? Thanks! Jeff M. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 25 11:23:23 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:23:23 -0800 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002250513w5bca9e7cw4c8e563394d2a306@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> <4B866F7B.4080704@gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250513w5bca9e7cw4c8e563394d2a306@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually Trevor Devore (in his Application Framework master class) recommends breaking a project into several substacks as a way to manage large projects. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 25 February 2010 05:13, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Richmond asked a couple of questions: > > > > What does "cleanly" in "navigating cleanly" mean? > > I assume (possibly wrongly) that you mean that the > > end-user is unaware s/he is actually changing from > > the main stack to a substack. > > Yes, that "unawareness" factor is what I'm after. > > The way it was setup before, the monitor screen would go blank between > the time the mainstack closed and the next stack opened. > > By the way, I wrote "substacks" originally. That was a mistake on my part. > > What I am actually working on is "mainstack-to-stack", not > "mainstack-to-substack". > > > > > > If that is so important why do you bother to have a substack at > > all (memory overheads? multimedia storage?) when you > > could just navigate to another part of the main stack? > > Mostly, to avoid the mainstack bloating in standalone-size as I add > game-stacks in the future. Plus, I feel safer with passwords and urls > enclosed within a standalone rather than in password protected stacks. > > If you're still curious about other reasons, my mainstack is where: > > (a) are links to the various game-stacks, each of a purpose, format > and layout completely different > > (b) the login happens, which only need be done once for any of the > game-stacks (when a game is finished, user returns to the mainstack to > chose another game) > > (c) are held common functions that the game-stacks require for > connecting to an on-rev cgi > > > > Incidentally, some other important commands I'm (re-)learning to work > with for this are: > > -- start using stack XXXX > > -- set the stackFiles of stack tThisStacksName to tStackFiles > > > Yoroshiku. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jiml at netrin.com Thu Feb 25 11:46:31 2010 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:46:31 -0800 Subject: Can browser send a command to a servlet? In-Reply-To: <20100225065434.0E8C22884F9@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100225065434.0E8C22884F9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: See splash21's excellent polling workaround. http://splash21.on-rev.com/revlet/index.irev. Jim Lambert From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 25 11:46:22 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:46:22 -0800 Subject: On-Rev and setting cookies In-Reply-To: <3DAF5CAE-C364-4CB8-BB92-8FACF4C89204@gmail.com> References: <3DAF5CAE-C364-4CB8-BB92-8FACF4C89204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you seen Sarah's ON-REV pages? http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/cookies.irev ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 25 February 2010 07:27, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > I'm having one helluva time trying to get a single cookie set from my irev > files. It doesn't seem to matter what I do, unless I manually set it using > the tag, the cookie doesn't show up on my system. > > put "test=foobar;" into tCookie > put header "Set-Cookie:" && tCookie > > This just doesn't work no matter what I do, where I put it, etc. Everything > I read on the On-Rev forums leads me to believe that it should. > > Note: I actually can't get any 'put header' calls to do what they are > supposed to (redirects, etc). > > Am I missing something? > > Thanks! > > Jeff M._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 25 11:47:29 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:47:29 -0800 Subject: On-Rev and setting cookies In-Reply-To: References: <3DAF5CAE-C364-4CB8-BB92-8FACF4C89204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Click the REV icon to see the script On 25 February 2010 08:46, stephen barncard wrote: > Have you seen Sarah's ON-REV pages? > > http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/cookies.irev > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev > > > > On 25 February 2010 07:27, Jeffrey Massung wrote: > >> I'm having one helluva time trying to get a single cookie set from my irev >> files. It doesn't seem to matter what I do, unless I manually set it using >> the tag, the cookie doesn't show up on my system. >> >> put "test=foobar;" into tCookie >> put header "Set-Cookie:" && tCookie >> >> This just doesn't work no matter what I do, where I put it, etc. >> Everything I read on the On-Rev forums leads me to believe that it should. >> >> Note: I actually can't get any 'put header' calls to do what they are >> supposed to (redirects, etc). >> >> Am I missing something? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jeff M._______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 25 12:59:15 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:59:15 -0800 Subject: Can browser send a command to a servlet? Message-ID: <4B86BA73.5080904@fourthworld.com> Jim Lambert wrote: > See splash21's excellent polling workaround. > http://splash21.on-rev.com/revlet/index.irev Why does that revlet need access to my local drive? "RevWeb security warnings: use sparingly" -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 13:17:48 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:17:48 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> Apologies are nice, but getting the DVDs is much better. What does RunRev plan to do for those of us that have NOT yet gotten our DVDs? For me, the only options I would consider acceptable at this late date would be either direct shipment by express carrier or refund of my money. I realize the problem is with the company you chose to fulfill orders. But YOU (RunRev) chose that company and are, thus, responsible for its actions. There is NO reason on this earth that it should take 5 or 6 weeks to finish shipping this relatively small number of DVDs. Yet, people have posted that they received their DVDs 5 to 6 weeks ago (in the US), yet some of us are still sucking air (also in the US). I certainly hope you will not be using the same company again. And, for the record, problems with fulfillment on the last 2 sets of conference DVDs has lost RunRev at least one sale (mine) of a subsequent product a significant part of which was conference DVDs from the upcoming 2010 conference. M On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > On 25/02/2010 14:51, "Marc Siskin" wrote: > >> When did you order your DVDs? Were you an early adopter (back in June) or did >> you order them later? > > Most of you have your DVDs at this point. I do sincerely apologize to those > the small numbers that still don't. We will be writing to you today with an > explanation and update. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 25 13:41:03 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:41:03 +0000 Subject: Re-2: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names Message-ID: <00000C84.4B86D24C@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Andre, thanks for that. I would have expect that information on page 19 not at page 44. I am reading a book page for page ;-) But anyway, i can now proceed with my DataGrid investigation. Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: DataGrid: Let Data Grid know that first line has column names (25-Feb-2010 11:20) From: Andre.Bisseret To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Bonjour Matthias, > I have had the same problem as you can see in the thread that Zryip > pointed out > > Have a look at page 44 in the Trevor' doc; it says: > "Note that if pFirstLineContainsHeaders is true then the columns must > already exist in your data grid table in order to be displayed." > So you have to create the columns and their name first > Either by hand in the Columns pane of the inspector > or by script as in the following example : > -- drag a new data grid and do : > --------- > put "Name" & cr & "ForeName" into theColNames > set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "dataGrid 1" to theColNames > --------- > Then you can populate it with pFirstLineContainsHeaders like this: > ------- > put "Name" & tab & "ForeName" & cr & "Smith" & tab & "Jim" into > theData > set the dgText[true] of grp "dataGrid 1" to theData > -------- > > Best regards from Genoble > > Andr? > > > Le 24 f?vr. 10 ? 23:15, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > > i am fiddling with DataGrids at the moment. For that i am reading > > the Revolution_Data_Grid.pdf and trying out the samples. But i get > the > > sample of page 19 not working > > > > on mouseUp > > ## Create tab delimited data. > > ## Note that first line has name of columns. > > ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map > > ## data to appropriate columns. > > put "state" & tab & "code" & cr & "ALABAMA" & tab & "AL" & cr & > > "ALASKA" & tab & "AK" into theText > > ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names > > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > > set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group "DataGrid > > 1" to theText > > end mouseUp > > > > Nothing is put into the DataGrid. > > If i change the line > > put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames > > into > > put false into firstLineContainsColumnNames > > then the Datagrid is filled. Am i doing something wrong? > > Is there a typo in the line? I copied the script directly from the > > PDF. > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 13:46:50 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:46:50 -0600 Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> <3D4BE2CA-FF3F-4EFF-A76B-0B92DC96108E@kenjikojima.com> Message-ID: <4B86C59A.9060705@hyperactivesw.com> Judy Perry wrote: > Dissolve also works. > http://jperryl.ecs.fullerton.edu/test2.html > > Judy > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Kenji Kojima wrote: > >> Wipe right and wipe left work. >> http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/ >> >> This uses blend & wipe. >> http://www.kenjikojima.com/rgbmusicrenga/nycsubway/ Interesting, I hadn't tested that. So it looks like all the old built-in effects work but the QT ones aren't supported. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 13:54:04 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:54:04 -0600 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b71002250513w5bca9e7cw4c8e563394d2a306@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> <4B866F7B.4080704@gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250513w5bca9e7cw4c8e563394d2a306@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86C74C.5030604@hyperactivesw.com> Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Richmond asked a couple of questions: > > >> What does "cleanly" in "navigating cleanly" mean? >> I assume (possibly wrongly) that you mean that the >> end-user is unaware s/he is actually changing from >> the main stack to a substack. > > Yes, that "unawareness" factor is what I'm after. > > The way it was setup before, the monitor screen would go blank between > the time the mainstack closed and the next stack opened. > > By the way, I wrote "substacks" originally. That was a mistake on my part. > > What I am actually working on is "mainstack-to-stack", not > "mainstack-to-substack". In that case, you may just want to "go stack in window ". The effect is the same as changing cards and you don't need any other script manipulations. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 25 13:54:36 2010 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:54:36 +0000 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 25/02/2010 18:17, "Marian Petrides" wrote: > Apologies are nice, but getting the DVDs is much better. There are genuine, exceptional reasons for this delay which relate directly to the tragic events that occurred earlier this year. Unfortunately I'm not willing to go into the details. Nonetheless we are very sorry for this delay and I have written to the very small number of you that still do not have DVDs to address this further. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Thu Feb 25 14:01:17 2010 From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:01:17 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The DVDs have not made it to the deep south yet, and neither have I had a message from Kevin. Jim ------------------------------------- James C. Wall, PhD Professor Department of Physical Therapy University of South Alabama 307 N University Blvd, Room 2011 Mobile AL 36688 Phone: (251) 445 9330 Fax: (251) 445 9238 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Miller Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Conference-DVDs arrived To: How to use Revolution > On 25/02/2010 18:17, "Marian Petrides" wrote: > > > Apologies are nice, but getting the DVDs is much better. > > There are genuine, exceptional reasons for this delay which relate directly > to the tragic events that occurred earlier this year. Unfortunately > I'm not > willing to go into the details. Nonetheless we are very sorry for this > delay > and I have written to the very small number of you that still do not have > DVDs to address this further. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 14:31:17 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:31:17 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <7457AD4D-2F7C-4FF6-8E75-99F8828A0B0F@twft.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <4B857224.7090202@hyperactivesw.com> <4B8576A0.3040107@hyperactivesw.com> <7457AD4D-2F7C-4FF6-8E75-99F8828A0B0F@twft.com> Message-ID: <4B86D005.10100@hyperactivesw.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > Well I finally got ahold of Jacque's time *warp* stack (excuuuuuuuse > meeeee!), at which point I warped time and installed it on my first > computer. (There are no colors in a wormhole btw.) after I restored > time, it turns out I have always had it! So you're the one who took all my time. Give it back. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobcole at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 14:45:32 2010 From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Robert Cole) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:45:32 -0600 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? Message-ID: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> Andr?: On Mac OS X, I use a simple shell command to put the calendar into a field . put shell("cal 2010") into field "Calendar Field" Be sure to use a monospace font like Courier in the field Bob - - - - - - - Bonjour, I need an annual calendar, one which could be display entirely on one card of a stack. Something like 12 rows, one for each months. Does someone know if that has already been done with runrev and if it is possible to get it somewhere? Thanks a lot in advance for any clue Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:47:11 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:47:11 +0200 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> On 25/02/2010 21:01, jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu wrote: > The DVDs have not made it to the deep south yet, and neither have I had a message from Kevin. > > Jim > They haven't reached the Wild East either - mind you around here they won't be delivered; I'll have to hop in the car and go and fill in all sorts of daft customs forms with the word 'Revolution' and then play mind games with my crappy Bulgarian with the customs officers who are all of a certain age and resemble my least favourite aunt. With all due respect to Kevin; I'm not terribly interested in a message - I paid for the conference in the first week of January 2009, attended the conference in the first week of September 2009 and still have neither: Runtime Revolution Studio 4.0 in boxed format nor the conference DVDs now, at the end of March last year my Father-in-law died; not much fun, nevertheless I had to meet a deadline the next day Linuxing a few PCs for a lawyer, as well as teaching duties and the funeral all together on the following day. Every time I have 'flu (about twice a year because I am in constant contact with young kids - professional hazard) - I carry on teaching (admittedly with a pint mug of Lemsip on the table) because good people have paid for my services and depend upon them; at the end of the day I can afford to crawl away somewhere dark and warm and feel sorry for myself. I learnt something extremely useful when I was at Carbondale from my MA supervisor: NEVER, NEVER, under any circumstances let your personal problems interfere with your professional obligations, AND, NEVER use them as an excuse for failing in any professional obligations. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:50:36 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:50:36 +0200 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save Message-ID: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> Save what? As I am still waiting for an awful lot of what I paid for last year I don't feel like paying more money for stuff that will either never materialise or will, but when it does it is so out of date it is not worth having . . . "Free Bonuses" Once bitten, shy ever afterwards. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 14:51:32 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:51:32 -0600 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B86D4C4.3050404@hyperactivesw.com> Robert Cole wrote: > Andr?: > On Mac OS X, I use a simple shell command to put the calendar into a > field . > put shell("cal 2010") into field "Calendar Field" > Be sure to use a monospace font like Courier in the field !!! Had no idea. That is too cool. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 14:59:58 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:59:58 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> Exactly my point, Richmond. That's why I passed up on the deal. And I didn't even get the chance to avail myself of the simulcast (or to attend the conference itself) because of time constraints. The ONLY benefit I will get out of what I paid will be when (if?) I get the DVDs. Not a happy camper. And I wrote to support 3 weeks ago (X2 before I got any response) and then yesterday (was told the shipper CLAIMS to have shipped mine no later than 10 days ago--yeah, sure). As I said in my earlier post, at this point, RunRev should find out who has NOT yet received a copy and immediately express them a set OR refund their money. On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Save what? > > As I am still waiting for an awful lot of what I paid for last year I don't feel like > paying more money for stuff that will either never materialise or will, but when it > does it is so out of date it is not worth having . . . > > "Free Bonuses" > > Once bitten, shy ever afterwards. From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 15:01:46 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:01:46 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing from Kevin here either. I DID get a response from Heather, but that only contained instructions to contact her yet again (fourth time) if they don't arrive by tomorrow. NO indication of what RunRev will do if they don't arrive. Not acceptable, no way. On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > On 25/02/2010 18:17, "Marian Petrides" wrote: > >> Apologies are nice, but getting the DVDs is much better. > > There are genuine, exceptional reasons for this delay which relate directly > to the tragic events that occurred earlier this year. Unfortunately I'm not > willing to go into the details. Nonetheless we are very sorry for this delay > and I have written to the very small number of you that still do not have > DVDs to address this further. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mickclns at mac.com Thu Feb 25 15:02:27 2010 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:02:27 -0500 Subject: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] In-Reply-To: <128201074763406106206442135674083677809-Webmail@me.com> References: <128201074763406106206442135674083677809-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <50043955086397782694577140929522294491-Webmail@me.com> 600851475143 = 71* 839 * 1471 * 6857 It's factors are 1, 71, 839, 1471, 6857, 59569, 104441, 486847, 1234169, 5753023, 10086647, 87625999, 408464633, 716151937, 8462696833, and 600851475143 I wrote a stack that will do this for any number whose largest prime factor is around 100,000,000 or which is a prime up to about the square of that. This one took more time to display the results than to calculate them. - Mick >Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:01:17 -0600 >From: Geoff Canyon Rev >Subject: Re: Project Euler [SPOILER #3] >To: How to use Revolution >Message-ID: > <8ea148a01002241001h68210441i388f66f67ba71d46 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Are we talking about the same #3? > >The prime factors of 13195 are 5, 7, 13 and 29. > >What is the largest prime factor of the number 600851475143 ? > > > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 15:03:44 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:03:44 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86D7A0.1060805@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I'll have to hop > in the car and go and fill in all sorts of daft customs forms with the > word 'Revolution' Good thing the product is now called "Rev" then. And the company is "RunRev". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:07:54 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:07:54 +0200 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> On 25/02/2010 21:59, Marian Petrides wrote: > Exactly my point, Richmond. That's why I passed up on the deal. And I didn't even get the chance to avail myself of the simulcast (or to attend the conference itself) because of time constraints. The ONLY benefit I will get out of what I paid will be when (if?) I get the DVDs. > > Not a happy camper. And I wrote to support 3 weeks ago (X2 before I got any response) and then yesterday (was told the shipper CLAIMS to have shipped mine no later than 10 days ago--yeah, sure). > > As I said in my earlier post, at this point, RunRev should find out who has NOT yet received a copy and immediately express them a set OR refund their money. > > > On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > >> Save what? >> >> As I am still waiting for an awful lot of what I paid for last year I don't feel like >> paying more money for stuff that will either never materialise or will, but when it >> does it is so out of date it is not worth having . . . >> >> "Free Bonuses" >> >> Once bitten, shy ever afterwards. >> > _______________________________________________ > Can't they see just how much damage they are doing themselves by behaving like this? This is simply awful! Most of the people who subscribe to this Use-List have invested significant time, effort and money in becoming competent in RunRev because they believe it is worth that - those who attended the conference and those who paid for the DVDs are, mainly, members of this Use-List. Now, what I saw when I was in Edinburgh was a modest company that was working its collective bottom off to get its product to "the next level"; and it was all very impressive. What I see now is that despite that, they have quite a bit to learn about customer relations and the value of not alienating a loyal user-base. Cassandra-like, I have been burbling on about "spreading oneself too thin" for quite some time, and the effects that will follow from that - but, Hey, nobody listened to poor Cassandra either. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:10:58 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:10:58 +0200 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B86D7A0.1060805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B86D7A0.1060805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B86D952.5090405@gmail.com> On 25/02/2010 22:03, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> I'll have to hop >> in the car and go and fill in all sorts of daft customs forms with >> the word 'Revolution' > > Good thing the product is now called "Rev" then. And the company is > "RunRev". > Well, Yes, but I love the odd bit of semantic confusion now and then (err . . . in case you were unaware of that) . . . :) And Bulgarian customs officials are a "race apart" (actually I often wonder how they propagate themselves - probably some sort of asexual, vegetative process) who really do need 'stimulating' occasionally. From mickclns at mac.com Thu Feb 25 15:13:18 2010 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:13:18 -0500 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <20100223172346.AB129288192@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100223172346.AB129288192@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <89143419790402281088695876118718030198-Webmail@me.com> First, thanks, Andre for starting the thread and turning us / me onto the Euler Project. I enjoy implementing algorithms, but math is fun, too! Since Euler was a mathematician, how about a more mathematical approach. I haven't seen these approaches yet in my quick scan of the posts, so I will put them out there: For the first problem *********** mathematical note The number of natural numbers below X that are divisible by 3 or 5 is: the number divisible by 3, plus the number divisible by 5, minus the number divisible by 15 (since these number have already been counted twice). For combining in a more general fashion, i.e. other than 3 and 5, rather than using the multiple you would use the Least Common Multiple (not implemented here). For instance, if you wanted the number divisible by 6 or 4, you would use numdiv(4) + numdiv(6) - numdiv(12), since if you used numdiv(24) you would miss subtracting off many numbers divisible by both 4 and 6 but not by 24 (12*1, 12*3, 12*5 ...) Here is a testing routine, followed by a generalization of the problem (no error correction). For the testing routine, as soon as you are satisfied that it works as advertised, hold the shift key to jump out of the loop. Then it will display the results of divisibility by 3 or 5. on doTest repeat until the shiftkey is down ask "X" with 1000 put it into X ask "N" with 3 put it into N answer "<= or plain <" with "Eq" or "NoEq" put it into EorNo put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) into theResult if EorNo is "NoEq" then put "Number < [[X]] and divisible by [[N]] is [[theResult]]." into mergeStr else put "Number <= [[X]] and divisible by [[N]] is [[theResult]]." into mergeStr end if answer merge(mergeStr) end repeat put 1000 into X put "NoEq" into EorNo put 3 into N put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) into theResult3 put 5 into N put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) into theResult5 put 15 into N put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) into theResult15 put "Number < [[X]] and divisible by 3 or 5 is " & \ "[[theResult3 + theResult5 - theResult15]]." into mergeStr answer merge(mergeStr) end doTest function numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN X,N, EqOrNoEq put X into X_ put X_ mod N into XmodN -- X div N will be the number returned EXCEPT ... if EqOrNoEq = "NoEq" and XmodN = 0 then -- X divisible by N and it matters subtract 1 from X_ end if return X_ div N end numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN For the second problem ****************** The even Fibonacci numbers form a Fibonacci-like sequence E(1) = 0, E(2) = 2, for n>2: E(n) = 4E(n-1) + E(2) 0, 2, 8, 34, 144, 610, 2584, etc. Also, the sums of the even Fibs form a slightly less Fibonacci-like sequence S(1) = 0, S(2)=2, S(3) = 10, for n>3: S(n) = 5*S(n-1) - 3*S(n-2) - S(n-3) 0, 2, 10, 44, 188, 798, 3382, etc. There may be an even more direct approach to one or both of these sequences (I don't know if there is), such as with the plain vanilla (no offense intended) Fibonacci sequence. The i-th member of the sequence is: (g^i-(-1/g)^i) / rt5 where rt5 is the square root of 5 and g is the golden ratio: ( (1+rt5)/2 ). So that sequence can be calculated explicitly (rather than recursively). In the testing routine, I start by displaying the explicit calculation of the first 8 members of the Fibonacci sequence Then the recursive method of the even Fibs, keeping track of the sums. Then the recursive method of the sums, only using the even Fibs, by calculation to test whether to stop. on doTest put sqrt(5) into rt5 put (1+rt5)/2 into g repeat with i = 1 to 8 put (g^i-(-1/g)^i) / rt5 into theF answer theF end repeat -- even Fibs sums by first method answer "First Method" put 2 into F1 put 8 into F2 put 10 into theSum repeat while F2 <= 4000000 put 4*F2 + F1 into newFib add newFib to theSum put F2 into F1 put newFib into F2 end repeat answer "Fib" && F1 & ", Sum" && theSum answer "Second Method" put 0 into S1 put 2 into S2 put 10 into S3 repeat while S3 - S2 <= 4000000 put 5*S3 - 3*S2 - S1 into newFib put S2 into S1 put S3 into S2 put newFib into S3 end repeat answer "Sum" && S3 end doTest I'd welcome any comments on these. >Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:28:37 -0300 >From: Andre Garzia >Subject: Project Euler >To: How to use Revolution >Message-ID: > <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi There Folks, > >I don't know if you guys are familiar with http://www.projecteuler.net which >is officially a very fun project according to my own concepts of fun. It is >a repository of mathematical problems which require more than simple math to >solve, it usually require some programming. You can go solving your problems >and getting scores. I just solved the first one in Rev. > >"Add all the natural numbers below one thousand that are multiples of 3 or >5." > >Now, the second one is giving me trouble... rsrsrsrs > >"Find the sum of all the even-valued terms in the Fibonacci sequence which >do not exceed four million." > >I think I am going to reach the upper limits of rev math with it. > >:D > >-- >http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > > > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:15:00 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:15:00 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251215i4a504fd4i844fac78bafac00e@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 Robert Cole : > Andr?: > On Mac OS X, I use a simple shell command to put the calendar into a field . > ? ? put shell("cal 2010") into field "Calendar Field" > Be sure to use a monospace font like Courier in the field > Bob Thanks for the tip, Bob ;) More infos for using the cal shell command: NAME cal, ncal -- displays a calendar and the date of easter SYNOPSIS cal [-jy] [[month] year] cal [-j] -m month [year] ncal [-jJpwy] [-s country_code] [[month] year] ncal [-Jeo] [year] DESCRIPTION The cal utility displays a simple calendar in traditional format and ncal offers an alternative layout, more options and the date of easter. The new format is a little cramped but it makes a year fit on a 25x80 terminal. If arguments are not specified, the current month is displayed. The options are as follows: -J Display Julian Calendar, if combined with the -e option, display date of easter according to the Julian Calendar. -e Display date of easter (for western churches). -j Display Julian days (days one-based, numbered from January 1). -m month Display the specified month. -o Display date of orthodox easter (Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches). -p Print the country codes and switching days from Julian to Gregorian Calendar as they are assumed by ncal. The country code as determined from the local environment is marked with an asterisk. -s country_code Assume the switch from Julian to Gregorian Calendar at the date associated with the country_code. If not specified, ncal tries to guess the switch date from the local environment or falls back to September 2, 1752. This was when Great Britain and her colonies switched to the Gregorian Calendar. -w Print the number of the week below each week column. -y Display a calendar for the specified year. A single parameter specifies the year (1 - 9999) to be displayed; note the year must be fully speci-fied: specified: fied: ``cal 89'' will not display a calendar for 1989. Two parameters denote the month and year; the month is either a number between 1 and 12, or a full or abbreviated name as specified by the current locale. Month and year default to those of the current system clock and time zone (so ``cal -m 8'' will display a calendar for the month of August in the current year). A year starts on Jan 1. And an useful link to explore: http://developer.apple.com/Mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/index.html -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From yvescoppe at skynet.be Thu Feb 25 15:16:06 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:16:06 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 20:45, Robert Cole a ?crit : > Andr?: > On Mac OS X, I use a simple shell command to put the calendar into a > field . > put shell("cal 2010") into field "Calendar Field" > Be sure to use a monospace font like Courier in the field > Bob > - - - - - - - Re, yessss ! one question : is it possible to get the calendar in the chosen language in the preferences system (in my case : french) ? Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 15:16:53 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:16:53 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> > Can't they see just how much damage they are doing themselves by > behaving like this? Can you see how much damage you are doing to the company by posting an uninformed tirade on a publicly archived list? Especially when you don't know what happened? RR behaved responsibly regarding the DVDs, and this particular snafu was not their fault. If you want the reason, wait for the email. If you don't get an email in the next 24 hours then write to support so that they can send you a copy. It's possible they don't have everyone on the missing list. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:35:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:35:04 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002251235i672c0967k4c0d028513f6f541@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > >>> >> Can't they see just how much damage they are doing themselves by behaving >> like this? >> > > Can you see how much damage you are doing to the company by posting an > uninformed tirade on a publicly archived list? Especially when you don't > know what happened? > > RR behaved responsibly regarding the DVDs, and this particular snafu was > not their fault. If you want the reason, wait for the email. > > Rule #1 of business: the customer is always right. Rule #2 of business: thou shalt not break rule #1. There's no exception to these rules - especially now in the era of the internet where a single unhappy customer has a *very* loud speaker at their disposal to let the world know just how unhappy they are and why. It doesn't matter if the customer is being unreasonable. *Perception IS reality*. Plain and simple. It doesn't matter if a bank is financially unstable or not... the mere perception that it is will make it so. If there's a perception that Rev isn't responding promptly and adequately to their customers' needs, then Rev needs to work extra hard to correct that perception. I'm not taking sides, but I will say that Rev would be much better off making amends with customers over this problem (regardless of whose "fault" it is - the customer doesn't give a shit) than just holding onto a few C-notes for profit and asking people to "be patient". A happy customer will in the long run will make up for short-term revenue loss in spades. Rev isn't a perfect product. No product is. I've been able to work quickly and efficiently in it (most of the time). If I had one complaint, it would be that I have yet to ever see a Rev engineer on the forums or in this list answering questions and actively helping users to get all they can out of their product. Instead they've chosen a business model that involves providing technical support for a price. This leads to a perception that they have little-to-no support. That perception is a *huge* problem, IMO. I'd put real money down that Rev has lost a lot of potential customers before they even had them due to this alone, which is sad. Jeff M. From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 15:36:24 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:36:24 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7AEC1993-212C-4B4C-896B-825D183D7416@earthlink.net> Excuse me? How can RR be perceived as behaving responsibly, when we get non-responses from queries about shipping status, when it takes more than 6 months for the DVDs to arrive and when there are such disparities (MORE THAN A MONTH) in shipping. Even if you sub-contract out a part of production of an item, you are still responsible for the behavior of the people you hired and it is YOU who are answerable to the customer. People on this list have been MORE THAN PATIENT waiting, waiting, waiting, patiently, quietly. There comes a time when you have to exercise the only recourse available to you--public protest. RunRev should not be surprised at the level of annoyance expressed here. The only thing that they should be surprised about is that people waited this long before "pitching a hissy fit," as they say in the American South. We've cut RunRev a LOT of slack on this issue (this time AND last time--with the '08 Conference DVDs). It's time they made good on their promises--instead of making even more empty promises. On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > RR behaved responsibly regarding the DVDs, and this particular snafu was not their fault. If you want the reason, wait for the email. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 15:49:09 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:49:09 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002251235i672c0967k4c0d028513f6f541@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> <963c86eb1002251235i672c0967k4c0d028513f6f541@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86E245.6000504@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > If I had one complaint, it would be that I have yet to ever see a Rev > engineer on the forums or in this list answering questions and actively > helping users to get all they can out of their product. They are on the Improve-Rev list, which is open to Enterprise customers. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:56:10 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:56:10 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 Yves COPPE : > Re, > > yessss ! > > one question : is it possible to get the calendar in the chosen language in > the preferences system (in my case : french) ? > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > yvescoppe at skynet.be > Yves, Not sure that the calendar is stored in different languages. For french, try this: put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into field "Calendar Field" -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:07:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:07:17 +0200 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86E685.9010603@gmail.com> AND . . . it works on Linux as well . . . :) Presumably this is because of the common UNIXy base of both Mac OS X and Linux. So, to get hold of a Julian calendar would involve mucking around with the data that arrived in the display field. And an Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu (there are lots of those) calendar would probably have to be 'pulled' from the internet ????? From yvescoppe at skynet.be Thu Feb 25 16:07:43 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:07:43 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 21:56, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > 2010/2/25 Yves COPPE : > >> one question : is it possible to get the calendar in the chosen >> language in >> the preferences system (in my case : french) ? >> > > Not sure that the calendar is stored in different languages. > > For french, try this: > > put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into field "Calendar Field" > re no, it doesn't work ... it's a pity Thanks for trying to help me ! Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:11:35 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:11:35 +0200 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> Message-ID: <4B86E787.1040206@gmail.com> For an understanding of the parameters of the calendar do this: put shell ("call -500") into fld "Calendar Field" that will generate an error (hard luck Herodotus!) and details of all the parameters . . . From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 16:14:20 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:14:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <89143419790402281088695876118718030198-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <327364.51145.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mick, You beat me to it on the Fibonacci series. I also thought about using the golden ratio. Using a few other relationships allows one to compose a rather compact script. 1. the F numbers are always odd odd even, odd odd even --- this allows you to use "step 3" in the loop --- you will only check even numbers and stop at the last one --- before four million 2. F1 + F2 + F3 . . . Fn = F(n+2)- 1 --- this allows you to do the summation at the end --- If you know Fn then you just go up a couple more --- numbers to get the sum of the first n numbers 3. If you stop the summation at F(even) then the sum of the even numbers will be 1/2 of the total sum -- 1,1,TWO,3,5,EIGHT,13,21,THIRTY-FOUR -- The two numbers sum to the EVENS (by definition) ----Here's the script -- 555 is just any large number on mouseUp put (1+ sqrt(5))/2 into g repeat with n = 0 to 555 step 3 if (g^n)/sqrt(5) > 4E6 then exit repeat end repeat put (round((g^(n-1))/sqrt(5)) - 1) / 2 end mouseUp ------------------------------------- The golden ratio technique is most valuable if you want to hit a very large F number. You don't have to count up to it. It is like random access memory. Here's another interesting property of a F series: 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 Take the square of 8 -- 64. It is off by one from the product 5*13. That holds for any 3 numbers in a row. Sometimes the square is one more than the products of its neighbors, sometimes one less: but always one off. --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Mick Collins wrote: > From: Mick Collins > Subject: Re: Project Euler > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:13 PM > First, thanks, Andre for starting the > thread and turning us / me onto the Euler Project. > > I enjoy implementing algorithms, but math is fun, too! > Since Euler was a mathematician, how about a more > mathematical approach. > > > > I haven't seen these approaches yet in my quick scan > of? the posts, so I will put them out there: > > For the first problem > *********** mathematical note > The number of natural numbers below X that are divisible by > 3 or 5 is: > the number divisible by 3, plus the number divisible by 5, > minus the number divisible by 15 (since these number have > already been counted twice). > For combining in a more general fashion, i.e. other than 3 > and 5, rather than using the multiple you would use the > Least Common Multiple (not implemented here).? For > instance, if you wanted the number divisible by 6 or 4, you > would use numdiv(4) + numdiv(6) - numdiv(12), since if you > used numdiv(24) you would miss subtracting off many numbers > divisible by both 4 and 6 but not by 24 (12*1, 12*3, 12*5 > ...) > > Here is a testing routine, followed by a generalization of > the problem (no error correction).? For the testing > routine, as soon as you are satisfied that it works as > advertised, hold the shift key to jump out of the > loop.? Then it will display the results of divisibility > by 3 or 5. > > on doTest > ???repeat until the shiftkey is down > ? ? ? ask "X" with 1000 > ? ? ? put it into X > ? ? ? ask "N" with 3 > ? ? ? put it into N > ? ? ? answer "<= or plain <" with "Eq" > or "NoEq" > ? ? ? put it into EorNo > ? ? ? put > numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) into theResult > ? ? ? if EorNo is "NoEq" then > ? ? ? ???put "Number < > [[X]] and divisible by [[N]] is [[theResult]]." into > mergeStr > ? ? ? else > ? ? ? ???put "Number <= > [[X]] and divisible by [[N]] is [[theResult]]." into > mergeStr > ? ? ? end if > ? ? ? answer merge(mergeStr) > ???end repeat > ??? > ???put 1000 into X > ???put "NoEq" into EorNo > ???put 3 into N > ???put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) > into theResult3 > ???put 5 into N > ???put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) > into theResult5 > ???put 15 into N > ???put numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN(X,N,EorNo) > into theResult15 > ???put "Number < [[X]] and divisible by 3 > or 5 is " & \ > ? ? ? ? ? ? > ???"[[theResult3 + theResult5 - > theResult15]]." into mergeStr > ???answer merge(mergeStr) > end doTest > > > > function numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN X,N, EqOrNoEq > ???put X into X_ > ???put X_ mod N into > XmodN??? > ???-- X div N will be the number returned > EXCEPT ... > ???if EqOrNoEq = "NoEq" and XmodN = 0 > then???-- X divisible by N and it matters > ? ? ? subtract 1 from > X_???end if > ? ? ? return X_ div N > end numOfNumsBelowXandDivisByN > > > > > > For the second problem > ****************** > The even Fibonacci numbers form a Fibonacci-like sequence > E(1) = 0, E(2) = 2, for n>2: E(n) = 4E(n-1) + E(2) > 0, 2, 8, 34, 144, 610, 2584, etc. > Also, the sums of the even Fibs form a slightly less > Fibonacci-like sequence > S(1) = 0, S(2)=2, S(3) = 10,? for n>3: S(n) = > 5*S(n-1) - 3*S(n-2) - S(n-3) > 0, 2, 10, 44, 188, 798, 3382, etc. > > There may be an even more direct approach to one or both of > these sequences > (I don't know if there is), such as with the plain vanilla > (no offense intended) Fibonacci sequence.? > The i-th member of the sequence is: > (g^i-(-1/g)^i) / rt5 where rt5 is the square root of 5 and > g is the golden ratio: (? (1+rt5)/2? ).? > So that sequence can be calculated explicitly (rather than > recursively). > > In the testing routine, I start by displaying the explicit > calculation of the first > 8 members of the Fibonacci sequence > > Then the recursive method of the even Fibs, keeping track > of the sums. > Then the recursive method of the sums, only using the even > Fibs, by calculation > to test whether to stop. > > > on doTest > ???put sqrt(5) into rt5 > ???put (1+rt5)/2 into g > ???repeat with i = 1 to 8 > ? ? ? put (g^i-(-1/g)^i) / rt5 into theF > ? ? ? answer theF > ???end repeat > ??? > ???-- even Fibs sums by first method > > ???answer "First Method" > ???put 2 into F1 > ???put 8 into F2 > ???put 10 into theSum > ???repeat while F2 <= 4000000 > ? ? ? put 4*F2 + F1 into newFib > ? ? ? add newFib to theSum > ? ? ? put F2 into F1 > ? ? ? put newFib into F2 > ???end repeat > ???answer "Fib" && F1 & > ",???Sum" && theSum > > > ???answer "Second Method" > ??? > ???put 0 into S1 > ???put 2 into S2 > ???put 10 into S3 > ???repeat while S3 - S2 <= 4000000 > ? ? ? put 5*S3 - 3*S2 - S1 into newFib > ? ? ? put S2 into S1 > ? ? ? put S3 into S2 > ? ? ? put newFib into S3 > ???end repeat > ???answer? ? "Sum" && S3 > end doTest > > I'd welcome any comments on these. > > > >Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:28:37 -0300 > >From: Andre Garzia > >Subject: Project Euler > >To: How to use Revolution > >Message-ID: > >??? <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01 at mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >Hi There Folks, > > > >I don't know if you guys are familiar with http://www.projecteuler.net which > >is officially a very fun project according to my own > concepts of fun. It is > >a repository of mathematical problems which require > more than simple math to > >solve, it usually require some programming. You can go > solving your problems > >and getting scores. I just solved the first one in > Rev. > > > >"Add all the natural numbers below one thousand that > are multiples of 3 or > >5." > > > >Now, the second one is giving me trouble... rsrsrsrs > > > >"Find the sum of all the even-valued terms in the > Fibonacci sequence which > >do not exceed four million." > > > >I think I am going to reach the upper limits of rev > math with it. > > > >:D > > > >-- > >http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 25 16:20:53 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:20:53 -0500 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <7AEC1993-212C-4B4C-896B-825D183D7416@earthlink.net> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> <7AEC1993-212C-4B4C-896B-825D183D7416@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <80CE28BF-9887-4751-81C7-44B0C640CCD7@qldlearning.com> I probably shouldn't touch this one with a 10-foot (100-foot? 100-meter?) pole, but... Perhaps the best solution for everyone would be if Rev just offered up some combination of refund or store credit. We certainly don't need to be debating the role of force majeure in this case, but some sort of restitution is probably in order after 5+ months. It is both unfair to lecture RunRev on good business practices considering the circumstance*** AND unfair to expect people to wait 5 months for an already-paid-for product which is worth less and less over time. Would anyone be unwilling to just call it a day if RunRev said "we're very sorry that we were unable to deliver these DVDs in a timely fashion. please accept our apology this credit towards XYZ and we will still ship your DVD when we can" ? Just my 2 cents. - Brian *** To those who would argue that you must deliver in business in spite of personal problems, I agree in principle. However, please keep in mind that Rev literally lost a key team member suddenly and unexpectedly. People can "suck it up" and continue to perform in spite of personal turmoil to a limit, but they cannot be instantly replaced when they literally are gone. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:23:59 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:23:59 +0100 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251323u51110148ibdbf1fe83434b9b0@mail.gmail.com> Do as I do. Send you yourself a dvd each week, you'll never be disappointed. Anyway it could be worse, imagine: - as a slug, I'm in charge to deliver your dvd by hand - receiving the box but without the dvd - found a better way to dev cool stuffs during the time you wait - be burgled while your eyes are riveted on the mailbox 8-) -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 25 16:27:38 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:27:38 -0500 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <327364.51145.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <327364.51145.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good stuff! I particularly like this project, because it allows for a combination of clever coding AND pure math. The best problems surely require both. It also depends what "level" of computation you force yourself to contain in you code. For example, Rev has a sqrt() function, but what if you had to write this code without that function built in? Would that lead to a whole different approach? Is it ok to use known formulas, or does your code have to derive them itself? Etc. With that said, it would be pretty darn cool if we got a near-complete set of solutions all written in Rev... what a nice reference for tight mathematical coding. > Mick, > > You beat me to it on the Fibonacci series. I also thought about using the golden ratio. Using a few other relationships allows one to compose a rather compact script. > > 1. the F numbers are always odd odd even, odd odd even > > --- this allows you to use "step 3" in the loop > --- you will only check even numbers and stop at the last one > --- before four million > > 2. F1 + F2 + F3 . . . Fn = F(n+2)- 1 > > --- this allows you to do the summation at the end > --- If you know Fn then you just go up a couple more > --- numbers to get the sum of the first n numbers > > 3. If you stop the summation at F(even) then the sum of > the even numbers will be 1/2 of the total sum > > -- 1,1,TWO,3,5,EIGHT,13,21,THIRTY-FOUR > -- The two numbers sum to the EVENS (by definition) > > ----Here's the script -- 555 is just any large number > > on mouseUp > put (1+ sqrt(5))/2 into g > repeat with n = 0 to 555 step 3 > if (g^n)/sqrt(5) > 4E6 then exit repeat > end repeat > put (round((g^(n-1))/sqrt(5)) - 1) / 2 > end mouseUp > ------------------------------------- > The golden ratio technique is most valuable if you want to hit a very large F number. You don't have to count up to it. It is like random access memory. > > > > Here's another interesting property of a F series: > > 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 > > Take the square of 8 -- 64. It is off by one from the product 5*13. That holds for any 3 numbers in a row. Sometimes the square is one more than the products of its neighbors, sometimes one less: but always one off. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:28:15 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:28:15 +0200 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <80CE28BF-9887-4751-81C7-44B0C640CCD7@qldlearning.com> References: <4B86D48C.9030508@gmail.com> <3D9CAFB6-48BA-4EF6-8AA2-2A00DB6A7D8F@earthlink.net> <4B86D89A.8020408@gmail.com> <4B86DAB5.2060806@hyperactivesw.com> <7AEC1993-212C-4B4C-896B-825D183D7416@earthlink.net> <80CE28BF-9887-4751-81C7-44B0C640CCD7@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <4B86EB6F.1050808@gmail.com> On 25/02/2010 23:20, Brian Yennie wrote: > > > Would anyone be unwilling to just call it a day if RunRev said "we're very sorry that we were unable to deliver these DVDs in a timely fashion. please accept our apology this credit towards XYZ and we will still ship your DVD when we can" ? > > Quite frankly I would have been happy ages ago if RunRev had said something of the sort: "We are very sorry, but there has been a complete Horlicks with the DVDs. Here's a download site and here is your magic number to login." A torrent file would have been just the ticket. As a blank LightScribe DVD costs about EUR1 that would have been (and might be) the best way out of everything. Guess I'm not the only one who has a problem saying I'm sorry . . . :) From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:37:11 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:37:11 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 Yves COPPE : > > Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 21:56, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > >> 2010/2/25 Yves COPPE : >> >>> one question : is it possible to get the calendar in the chosen language >>> in >>> the preferences system (in my case : french) ? >>> >> >> Not sure that the calendar is stored in different languages. >> >> For french, try this: >> >> put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into field "Calendar Field" >> > > > re > > no, it doesn't work ... > it's a pity > > Thanks for trying to help me ! > Okay, okay. on mouseUp local tTheCal, tTheMonth, tTheFrenchMonth, tTheDay, tTheFrenchDay put "January,February,March,April,May,June,July,August,September,October,November,December" into tTheMonth put "Janvier,F?vrier,Mars,Avril,Mai,Juin,Juillet,Aiut,Septembre,Octobre,Novembre,D?cembre" into tTheFrenchMonth put "Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa,Su" into tTheDay put "Lu,Ma,Me,Je,Ve,Sa,Di" into tTheFrenchDay put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal -- Translate month repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheMonth replace (item x of tTheMonth) with (item x of tTheFrenchMonth) in tTheCal end repeat -- Translate day repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheDay replace (item x of tTheDay) with (item x of tTheFrenchDay) in tTheCal end repeat put tTheCal into fld "Calendar Field" end mouseUp And now? -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 16:42:40 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:42:40 -0600 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86EED0.7030209@hyperactivesw.com> zryip theSlug wrote: > > put tTheCal into fld "Calendar Field" > > end mouseUp > > And now? > > When I tried to use "ncal" on OS X, the command wasn't found. It seems it is unsupported there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:51:51 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:51:51 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <4B86EED0.7030209@hyperactivesw.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B86EED0.7030209@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251351h7989ed37v10dd0a39f12d735a@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 J. Landman Gay : > zryip theSlug wrote: > >> >> ? put tTheCal into fld "Calendar Field" >> >> end mouseUp >> >> And now? >> >> > > When I tried to use "ncal" on OS X, the command wasn't found. It seems it is > unsupported there. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > I'm on OS X too, and it seems that the ncal and cal commands are linked. When you type: put shell("man ncal") into fld "Calendar Field" What do you get? -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From yvescoppe at skynet.be Thu Feb 25 16:55:34 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:55:34 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 22:37, zryip theSlug a ?crit : >> > > Okay, okay. > > on mouseUp > local tTheCal, tTheMonth, tTheFrenchMonth, tTheDay, tTheFrenchDay > > put > "January > ,February > ,March,April,May,June,July,August,September,October,November,December" > into tTheMonth > put > "Janvier > ,F?vrier > ,Mars,Avril,Mai,Juin,Juillet,Aiut,Septembre,Octobre,Novembre,D?cembre" > into tTheFrenchMonth > put "Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa,Su" into tTheDay > put "Lu,Ma,Me,Je,Ve,Sa,Di" into tTheFrenchDay > > put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal > > -- Translate month > repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheMonth > replace (item x of tTheMonth) with (item x of tTheFrenchMonth) > in tTheCal > end repeat > > -- Translate day > repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheDay > replace (item x of tTheDay) with (item x of tTheFrenchDay) in > tTheCal > end repeat > > put tTheCal into fld "Calendar Field" > > end mouseUp > > And now? > > Re > put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal error : /bin/sh: line 1: ncal: command not found Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From yvescoppe at skynet.be Thu Feb 25 16:57:11 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:57:11 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251351h7989ed37v10dd0a39f12d735a@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B86EED0.7030209@hyperactivesw.com> <64bda6471002251351h7989ed37v10dd0a39f12d735a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 22:51, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > I'm on OS X too, and it seems that the ncal and cal commands are > linked. > > When you type: > put shell("man ncal") into fld "Calendar Field" > What do you get? > re, I get this : No manual entry for ncal Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:05:47 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:05:47 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 Yves COPPE : > > Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 22:37, zryip theSlug a ?crit : >>> >> >> Okay, okay. >> >> on mouseUp >> ?local tTheCal, tTheMonth, tTheFrenchMonth, tTheDay, tTheFrenchDay >> >> ?put >> "January,February,March,April,May,June,July,August,September,October,November,December" >> into tTheMonth >> ?put >> "Janvier,F?vrier,Mars,Avril,Mai,Juin,Juillet,Aiut,Septembre,Octobre,Novembre,D?cembre" >> into tTheFrenchMonth >> ?put "Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa,Su" into tTheDay >> ?put "Lu,Ma,Me,Je,Ve,Sa,Di" into tTheFrenchDay >> >> ?put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal >> >> ?-- Translate month >> ?repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheMonth >> ? ? replace (item x of tTheMonth) with (item x of tTheFrenchMonth) in >> tTheCal >> ?end repeat >> >> ?-- Translate day >> ?repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheDay >> ? ? replace (item x of tTheDay) with (item x of tTheFrenchDay) in tTheCal >> ?end repeat >> >> ?put tTheCal into fld "Calendar Field" >> >> end mouseUp >> >> And now? >> >> > > Re > > >> ?put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal > > error ?: /bin/sh: line 1: ncal: command not found > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > yvescoppe at skynet.be > Maybe you are in 10.4? -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 25 17:12:38 2010 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:12:38 +0000 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <4B86EB6F.1050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, I'm certainly not using those events as an excuse. I'm simply stating a fact which is true, for those of you that are interested. You can accept that or not. I have apologized for the situation with respect to the DVDs, it is inexcusable. We knew going into this that we had a lot to learn from the previous set of conference DVDs which is why we set out well in advance to do better this year. I was absolutely determined from the start we would get it right. Everything was planned carefully so we could improve and deliver you a wonderful experience from end to end. We made many changes to the product and it went well. The feedback I have is that the DVDs are better quality this year than last year. Unfortunately there was an intersection between the events that happened and the delivery of these DVDs. I'm not going to go into great detail but there was a chain of events involved. Bill was sick for a long time before he died which contributed a series of other issues we were having as a business for a period some time before the actual event. We had issues with the supplier (we won't be using them again), which we were not on top when they occurred because of staff shortages. Ultimately in spite of that I take full responsibly. Its unfortunate, I feel bad, I'm not making excuses. I'm just telling you what happened. You have every right to judge us for non-delivery of this product. However, and while I don't want to make this response overly personal, frankly you have no right to stand in judgment over my response to everything that happened on a personal level. I'm interested to hear that you are able to separate that out entirely in your life, but we all react differently to these things and I am certainly not able to do that, nor is Heather, Robin or some of the other people involved in this. There have been some major consequences on a number of levels and for the last two months I have simply run from one crisis to the next. The vast majority of the DVDs are now safely in the hands of our customers. If you have not received your DVD you will have received a letter from us today offering you an estimated delivery time and year's free license extension. If you have not received the DVDs nor a letter, your DVD shipped some time ago and as far as we are aware it should be with you. If this applies to you feel free to contact me directly, off list. Again I apologize for letting down our customers and we will do better next time. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:29:13 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:29:13 +0900 Subject: navigating cleanly between main- and sub-stacks In-Reply-To: <4B86C74C.5030604@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1e91b2b71002231839h7520ccb6o3fdaa5b9e35b1f87@mail.gmail.com> <2A9B29A6-2A6F-4164-8603-9AB8F3358B77@inria.fr> <1e91b2b71002250247k3d170852r73c7efc4e88f271e@mail.gmail.com> <7455836A-2042-477D-BC7D-C41E676C62FA@inria.fr> <4B866F7B.4080704@gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250513w5bca9e7cw4c8e563394d2a306@mail.gmail.com> <4B86C74C.5030604@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002251429l1f5f8cb1q6b71de92afc2d600@mail.gmail.com> > In that case, you may just want to "go stack in window > ". The effect is the same as changing cards and you don't > need any other script manipulations. Thanks Jacqueline, but the stacks differ in dimension, both from the mainstack and each other. -- Nicolas Cueto From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:33:03 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:33:03 -0500 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: References: <4B86EB6F.1050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413301002251433o1f995ca4j192010771629be62@mail.gmail.com> They did not do their best and they have acknowledged it and promised to correct it next year.Do I accept their apology? Of course I do! What do I gain by bashing a great small company serving a very intimate (sometimes maybe too intimate) clientele and are not trying to get rich on every transaction nor force you to buy something you don't want. I will repeat last week's email: 1. Its always easier to run someone else's company 2. Don't sweat the small stuff, its all small stuff. I look forward to my email! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Richmond, > > I'm certainly not using those events as an excuse. I'm simply stating a > fact > which is true, for those of you that are interested. You can accept that or > not. I have apologized for the situation with respect to the DVDs, it is > inexcusable. > > We knew going into this that we had a lot to learn from the previous set of > conference DVDs which is why we set out well in advance to do better this > year. I was absolutely determined from the start we would get it right. > Everything was planned carefully so we could improve and deliver you a > wonderful experience from end to end. We made many changes to the product > and it went well. The feedback I have is that the DVDs are better quality > this year than last year. Unfortunately there was an intersection between > the events that happened and the delivery of these DVDs. I'm not going to > go > into great detail but there was a chain of events involved. Bill was sick > for a long time before he died which contributed a series of other issues > we > were having as a business for a period some time before the actual event. > We > had issues with the supplier (we won't be using them again), which we were > not on top when they occurred because of staff shortages. Ultimately in > spite of that I take full responsibly. Its unfortunate, I feel bad, I'm not > making excuses. I'm just telling you what happened. > > You have every right to judge us for non-delivery of this product. However, > and while I don't want to make this response overly personal, frankly you > have no right to stand in judgment over my response to everything that > happened on a personal level. I'm interested to hear that you are able to > separate that out entirely in your life, but we all react differently to > these things and I am certainly not able to do that, nor is Heather, Robin > or some of the other people involved in this. There have been some major > consequences on a number of levels and for the last two months I have > simply > run from one crisis to the next. > > The vast majority of the DVDs are now safely in the hands of our customers. > If you have not received your DVD you will have received a letter from us > today offering you an estimated delivery time and year's free license > extension. If you have not received the DVDs nor a letter, your DVD shipped > some time ago and as far as we are aware it should be with you. If this > applies to you feel free to contact me directly, off list. Again I > apologize > for letting down our customers and we will do better next time. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:33:50 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:33:50 +0900 Subject: what applications are running In-Reply-To: <1267102819.6353.5.camel@gyWork> References: <1e91b2b71002250236x5ee12d35u8f17c23315d10bdc@mail.gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250404g66187ce8l2eb03d6e1842b16c@mail.gmail.com> <1e91b2b71002250440k3d3e900cnbf033c42af338e53@mail.gmail.com> <1267102819.6353.5.camel@gyWork> Message-ID: <1e91b2b71002251433g5bc10f5eta181334e70b07421@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, G. Wolfgang. Might go with pslist for uniformity across my various pcs. -- Nicolas Cueto From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:36:57 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:36:57 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251436j3f32cd27k92c97e1fa3df4097@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 zryip theSlug : > 2010/2/25 Yves COPPE : >> >> Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 22:37, zryip theSlug a ?crit : >>>> >>> >>> Okay, okay. >>> >>> on mouseUp >>> ?local tTheCal, tTheMonth, tTheFrenchMonth, tTheDay, tTheFrenchDay >>> >>> ?put >>> "January,February,March,April,May,June,July,August,September,October,November,December" >>> into tTheMonth >>> ?put >>> "Janvier,F?vrier,Mars,Avril,Mai,Juin,Juillet,Aiut,Septembre,Octobre,Novembre,D?cembre" >>> into tTheFrenchMonth >>> ?put "Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa,Su" into tTheDay >>> ?put "Lu,Ma,Me,Je,Ve,Sa,Di" into tTheFrenchDay >>> >>> ?put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal >>> >>> ?-- Translate month >>> ?repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheMonth >>> ? ? replace (item x of tTheMonth) with (item x of tTheFrenchMonth) in >>> tTheCal >>> ?end repeat >>> >>> ?-- Translate day >>> ?repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheDay >>> ? ? replace (item x of tTheDay) with (item x of tTheFrenchDay) in tTheCal >>> ?end repeat >>> >>> ?put tTheCal into fld "Calendar Field" >>> >>> end mouseUp >>> >>> And now? >>> >>> >> >> Re >> >> >>> ?put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal >> >> error ?: /bin/sh: line 1: ncal: command not found >> In the manual for the cal command, I found this: HISTORY A cal command appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. The ncal command appeared in FreeBSD 2.2.6. AUTHORS The ncal command and manual were written by Wolfgang Helbig . It seems that the ncal command is only available since OS X 10.5. -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 25 17:45:51 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:45:51 -0600 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86FD9F.2090601@hyperactivesw.com> zryip theSlug wrote: > > Maybe you are in 10.4? > > It does seem to be OS-related. On my Snow Leopard machine, ncal is supported. On my plain Leopard Mac, it is not. But even on Snow Leopard I don't see French, the calendar is returned in English. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Feb 25 18:05:52 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:05:52 EST Subject: changing stack ID Message-ID: <4914.44539a96.38b85c50@aol.com> Just a question. What is the rationale for changing the stack id whenever a new object is created in it? I get, and am grateful for, the altID, but what purpose was this behavior intended to serve? I got very used to rock solid ID's with you know what. Is there a benefit? Craig Newman From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 18:09:42 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:09:42 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <4B86FD9F.2090601@hyperactivesw.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> <4B86FD9F.2090601@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002251509s52287e02r535f8b117a840ed9@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 J. Landman Gay : > zryip theSlug wrote: >> >> Maybe you are in 10.4? >> >> > > It does seem to be OS-related. On my Snow Leopard machine, ncal is > supported. On my plain Leopard Mac, it is not. But even on Snow Leopard I > don't see French, the calendar is returned in English. Thanks, interesting to know. If I consider my test, changing the country has no effect. First I believe that the command will be return the calendar with a difference with the first day of the week (as you know, it's not sunday in french, but monday) but I obtain all the time monday as first day of the week... For the translation, a quick replace as I propose previously, could do the job. The difficulty here, is have the right system version... -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Feb 25 18:17:48 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:48 -0500 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251509s52287e02r535f8b117a840ed9@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> <4B86FD9F.2090601@hyperactivesw.com> <64bda6471002251509s52287e02r535f8b117a840ed9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: According to the ncal docs, the country code has nothing to do with language, just Gregorian dates: -s country_code Assume the switch from Julian to Gregorian Calendar at the date associated with the country_code. If not specified, ncal tries to guess the switch date from the local environment or falls back to September 2, 1752. This was when Great Britain and her colonies switched to the Gregorian Calendar. > 2010/2/25 J. Landman Gay : >> zryip theSlug wrote: >>> >>> Maybe you are in 10.4? >>> >>> >> >> It does seem to be OS-related. On my Snow Leopard machine, ncal is >> supported. On my plain Leopard Mac, it is not. But even on Snow Leopard I >> don't see French, the calendar is returned in English. > > Thanks, interesting to know. > > If I consider my test, changing the country has no effect. First I > believe that the command will be return the calendar with a difference > with the first day of the week (as you know, it's not sunday in > french, but monday) but I obtain all the time monday as first day of > the week... > > For the translation, a quick replace as I propose previously, could do > the job. The difficulty here, is have the right system version... > > > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > ______________________________________ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 25 18:29:30 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:29:30 -0800 Subject: changing stack ID Message-ID: <4B8707DA.2010801@fourthworld.com> DunbarX wrote: > What is the rationale for changing the stack id whenever a new object is > created in it? I get, and am grateful for, the altID, but what purpose was > this behavior intended to serve? IIRC, the stack ID is merely the placeholder for the next available ID for any object to be created in the stack. It gets incremented as you make more stuff. > I got very used to rock solid ID's with you know what. Is there a benefit? The stack ID serves no useful purpose that I can think of, other than internally for the engine to ensure unique IDs. For a unique identifier use the stack name. Stacks in memory much be uniquely named anyway, and their names have far greater mnemonic value. Note that the stack's title is separate from the name, so if you like you can use the name for short strings that are easier to type in your code, while having fully descriptive titles that can even change at runtime if needed without altering your stack's name. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 18:53:37 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:53:37 -0600 Subject: On-Rev and setting cookies In-Reply-To: References: <3DAF5CAE-C364-4CB8-BB92-8FACF4C89204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002251553s9be9f56w47a9221f4ee46ce5@mail.gmail.com> Ya, figured it out thanks to a comment in the script. The cookie (and other headers) need to be written before any other data is written to the page. I so much prefer 8-bit micro-controllers to the web, but this is fun, too I suppose. ;-) Jeff M. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > Click the REV icon to see the script > > > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:34:20 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:34:20 +0800 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I learnt something extremely useful when I was at Carbondale from my MA > supervisor: NEVER, NEVER, > under any circumstances let your personal problems interfere with your > professional obligations, > AND, NEVER use them as an excuse for failing in any professional > obligations. > His name wasn't Morely was it? So let me get this straight, when my son was 3 he was bitten by a bamboo snake (can be lethal to children) and lay dying in a hospital emergency room and I was due to catch a flight to Tokyo for business and you're saying I should have left him there and gone - actually that's exactly how 'the company' reacted, so I guess i now know there are more people in the world who think like that:-( Your son/daughter/wife is involved in a car accident and may die but you're going to stay and teach a couple of Bulgarian kids English - the net effect of giving them an early mark and sending them home being absolutely zilch on what career they take up, who they marry and how many kids they have. Richmond, I had mistakenly concluded from another post of yours re 'looking past the facade of race, sex, ......' that you had some morale fibre. But alas what it appears you were expressing is, once you've sold your soul to the almighty dollar, everyone is equal in the eyes of the Devil. Sad. Bob Cratchit PS Give me a company with heart, soul and human frailty any day. From tereza at califex.com Thu Feb 25 20:28:05 2010 From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:28:05 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <962933FC-3AE3-4776-A2EE-F3B826FFEE29@califex.com> On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: ... > If you have not received your DVD you will have received a letter from us > today offering you an estimated delivery time and year's free license > extension. If you have not received the DVDs nor a letter, your DVD shipped > some time ago and as far as we are aware it should be with you. If this > applies to you feel free to contact me directly, off list. ? Hi Kevin, I don't know which circumstance applies to me, neither the DVD nor an email has arrived. I have been looking forward to reviewing the sessions, as I watched so many of them in the wee hours that I'm not sure I can separate dreams from reality! I took the irrevocable step of paying for my flight to San Jose, so now I'm fully committed to the next convocation. I was distressed to hear of Bill's death and of your own personal loss. I does seem as if you've found your footing again, though the effect of such a blow never ceases to reverberate in one's life. I know you and the RunRev team are working as hard as you can; I am amazed at all the new features. See you in November! tereza Califex Software Inc. Tereza Snyder 800 Water Street Sauk City, WI 53583 608.643.2586 AIM-iChat: terezasnyder1 From tereza at califex.com Thu Feb 25 20:32:57 2010 From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:32:57 -0600 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <962933FC-3AE3-4776-A2EE-F3B826FFEE29@califex.com> References: <962933FC-3AE3-4776-A2EE-F3B826FFEE29@califex.com> Message-ID: <3EA05EA2-276C-43C0-9146-322B3C8387A7@califex.com> > If this > applies to you feel free to contact me directly, off list. oops. From massung at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 21:05:49 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:05:49 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6418C858-FCF0-41EF-BC09-9AE8F7B04707@gmail.com> On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: > >> I learnt something extremely useful when I was at Carbondale from my MA >> supervisor: NEVER, NEVER, >> under any circumstances let your personal problems interfere with your >> professional obligations, >> AND, NEVER use them as an excuse for failing in any professional >> obligations. >> > > His name wasn't Morely was it? > > So let me get this straight, when my son was 3 he was bitten by a > bamboo snake (can be lethal to children) and lay dying in a hospital > emergency room and I was due to catch a flight to Tokyo for business > and you're saying I should have left him there and gone - actually > that's exactly how 'the company' reacted, so I guess i now know there > are more people in the world who think like that:-( While some people may think one choice is correct and the other isn't, that certainly isn't the case. To each his/her own. It's a matter of personal priorities. For myself, family comes above all else; there's always another job or business opportunity around the corner, but I only have one daughter, and she's the pride of my life. That said, I think the premise is that you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Once you've made a choice, be prepared to accept the consequences of it. With the example of your son, I know I would have stayed with him (in your shoes), but had I been told the next day I was fired, I'd have been equally alright with that (and honestly, who would want to work for such a company anyway?). Every customer - and more importantly - potential customers - aren't going to be aware of personal problems. And, frankly, they won't care most of the time. It's sad that often times business isn't more personal. A personal relationship between supplier and customer can add a lot. But, for many customers, business (and time) is strictly about money. Their priorities won't match yours. That's okay. Just be willing to accept the fallout. Jeff M. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 25 21:16:17 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:16:17 -0800 Subject: changing stack ID In-Reply-To: <4914.44539a96.38b85c50@aol.com> References: <4914.44539a96.38b85c50@aol.com> Message-ID: <811128415750.20100225181617@ahsoftware.net> Craig- Following up on Richard's response, I have to ask... why on earth are you looking at stack ids? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 25 22:09:59 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:09:59 -0800 Subject: Test, please ignore Message-ID: From bobcole at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 22:19:01 2010 From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Robert Cole) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:19:01 -0600 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? Message-ID: <5AED8AC3-88B2-461C-9CAF-07A5746E9D57@earthlink.net> I created a small stack to show how I use a monthly calendar (using the shell command) and the mouseText function to pick a date. I just uploaded "Calendar Picker" to RevOnLine where it is now available for download. Please feel free to use this stack and refine the visual appearance. It can be used as a popup stack but I don't know how to return a date to the calling stack. Enjoy the Calendar Picker stack, Bob Robert Cole wrote: > Andr?: > On Mac OS X, I use a simple shell command to put the calendar into a > field . > put shell("cal 2010") into field "Calendar Field" > Be sure to use a monospace font like Courier in the field !!! Had no idea. That is too cool. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 23:02:32 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:02:32 -0400 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save Message-ID: <3bbe202f1002252002t7dcf2441g28dcdedde3d865e3@mail.gmail.com> Kevin Miller wrote: >Bill was sick for a long time before he died This means that Bill was already feeling sick, when he participated in this mail list, last december. Nothing in the messages that he wrote, could have suggested his health problems. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 23:27:36 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:27:36 +0800 Subject: Test, please ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ignored. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 26 00:06:34 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:06:34 -0800 Subject: Default font size Message-ID: I have an app that I've turned into a Windows standalone. It's been under development and revision for some time, but all of a sudden something changed, and the default font size used for things like the menus changed. When I'm working on the app inside Revolution, the menu text is the correct size, but when I make a standalone, the menu text is slightly smaller. I've checked the menu group, the individual menu items, the card and the stack, and none of them have any explicit text size specified. Can anyone figure out any other thing that might affect this text size? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 26 00:16:03 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:16:03 -0800 Subject: relaunch anomaly Message-ID: The docs say that not passing the relaunch event, and not returning anything from the event, causes the new instance to terminate and the old instance to become the foreground window. When I do this under WinXP, everything works as advertised, including passing the command line parameter to the old instance so that it opens the appropriate document file, except that the window remains in the background. Is this something that varies with OS version? Is there some Revolution command to force the old instance to become the foreground window anyway? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 26 00:18:49 2010 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:18:49 -0800 Subject: Default font size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24447296-4C7D-4DAE-A607-D6FD8B8D6D8A@cox.net> I'm only running XP, so not sure about yours, but there is a Control Panel setting that might reduce your font size. It's under: Display>Appearance>Font Size HTH, Joe Lewis Wilkins On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: > I have an app that I've turned into a Windows standalone. It's been under > development and revision for some time, but all of a sudden something > changed, and the default font size used for things like the menus changed. > When I'm working on the app inside Revolution, the menu text is the correct > size, but when I make a standalone, the menu text is slightly smaller. I've > checked the menu group, the individual menu items, the card and the stack, > and none of them have any explicit text size specified. Can anyone figure > out any other thing that might affect this text size? > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 26 00:25:37 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:25:37 -0800 Subject: Default font size In-Reply-To: <24447296-4C7D-4DAE-A607-D6FD8B8D6D8A@cox.net> Message-ID: > From: Joe Lewis Wilkins > > I'm only running XP, so not sure about yours, but there is a > Control Panel setting that might reduce your font size. It's > under: Display>Appearance>Font Size Well, yes there is, but it affects all apps. The point is that the Revolution standalone app now uses a smaller font that everything else, and I don't know what changed. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 26 00:29:19 2010 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:29:19 -0800 Subject: Default font size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I was suggesting is maybe you need to set that to "Use Larger Font", if it isn't already that. Joe Lewis Wilkins On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: >> From: Joe Lewis Wilkins >> >> I'm only running XP, so not sure about yours, but there is a >> Control Panel setting that might reduce your font size. It's >> under: Display>Appearance>Font Size > > Well, yes there is, but it affects all apps. The point is that the > Revolution standalone app now uses a smaller font that everything else, and > I don't know what changed. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 01:48:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:48:20 +0200 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B876EB4.7020303@gmail.com> On 26/02/2010 00:12, Kevin Miller wrote: > Richmond, > > I'm certainly not using those events as an excuse. I'm simply stating a fact > which is true, for those of you that are interested. You can accept that or > not. I have apologized for the situation with respect to the DVDs, it is > inexcusable. > > We knew going into this that we had a lot to learn from the previous set of > conference DVDs which is why we set out well in advance to do better this > year. I was absolutely determined from the start we would get it right. > Everything was planned carefully so we could improve and deliver you a > wonderful experience from end to end. We made many changes to the product > and it went well. The feedback I have is that the DVDs are better quality > this year than last year. Unfortunately there was an intersection between > the events that happened and the delivery of these DVDs. I'm not going to go > into great detail but there was a chain of events involved. Bill was sick > for a long time before he died which contributed a series of other issues we > were having as a business for a period some time before the actual event. We > had issues with the supplier (we won't be using them again), which we were > not on top when they occurred because of staff shortages. Ultimately in > spite of that I take full responsibly. Its unfortunate, I feel bad, I'm not > making excuses. I'm just telling you what happened. > > You have every right to judge us for non-delivery of this product. However, > and while I don't want to make this response overly personal, frankly you > have no right to stand in judgment over my response to everything that > happened on a personal level. You are right. Please accept my fullest apologies. I do hope, on a personal level as well as a professional one, that the rest of 2010 allows you and yours time for healing and consolidation. > I'm interested to hear that you are able to > separate that out entirely in your life, but we all react differently to > these things and I am certainly not able to do that, nor is Heather, Robin > or some of the other people involved in this. There have been some major > consequences on a number of levels and for the last two months I have simply > run from one crisis to the next. > Possibly because my work is of rather smaller consequnece in the great scheme of things than yours is. > The vast majority of the DVDs are now safely in the hands of our customers. > If you have not received your DVD you will have received a letter from us > today offering you an estimated delivery time and year's free license > extension. If you have not received the DVDs nor a letter, your DVD shipped > some time ago and as far as we are aware it should be with you. If this > applies to you feel free to contact me directly, off list. Again I apologize > for letting down our customers and we will do better next time. > Well, I will try to do better next time as well . . . :) > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 01:53:39 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:53:39 +0200 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> On 26/02/2010 02:34, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: > > >> I learnt something extremely useful when I was at Carbondale from my MA >> supervisor: NEVER, NEVER, >> under any circumstances let your personal problems interfere with your >> professional obligations, >> AND, NEVER use them as an excuse for failing in any professional >> obligations. >> >> > His name wasn't Morely was it? > > So let me get this straight, when my son was 3 he was bitten by a > bamboo snake (can be lethal to children) and lay dying in a hospital > emergency room and I was due to catch a flight to Tokyo for business > and you're saying I should have left him there and gone - actually > that's exactly how 'the company' reacted, so I guess i now know there > are more people in the world who think like that:-( > > Your son/daughter/wife is involved in a car accident and may die but > you're going to stay and teach a couple of Bulgarian kids English - > the net effect of giving them an early mark and sending them home > being absolutely zilch on what career they take up, who they marry and > how many kids they have. > > Richmond, I had mistakenly concluded from another post of yours re > 'looking past the facade of race, sex, ......' that you had some > morale fibre. But alas what it appears you were expressing is, once > you've sold your soul to the almighty dollar, everyone is equal in the > eyes of the Devil. > All things are a matter of degree. Carrying anything to its reductio ad absurdam will show its silly side. Of course your son's snake bite should take precedence; the compnay sounds most inhumane. What I learnt is that, if at all possible, one should not let personal problems get in the way; and that if they should, one has to find a way so that the 'customers' are unaware that it is a personal problem. "Almighty dollar" . . . Ha, Ha, Ha . . . if that were the case I would be back in the United Arab Emirates earning in one month what I pull in here in a year! > Sad. > > Bob Cratchit > PS Give me a company with heart, soul and human frailty any day. > > sincerely, Richmond. From yvescoppe at skynet.be Fri Feb 26 02:54:56 2010 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:54:56 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Le 25-f?vr.-10 ? 23:05, zryip theSlug a ?crit : >> >>> put shell("ncal -s FR 2010") into tTheCal >> >> error : /bin/sh: line 1: ncal: command not found >> >> Greetings. >> >> Yves COPPE >> yvescoppe at skynet.be >> > > Maybe you are in 10.4? > > > Re, no, 10.5.7 Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 26 03:33:28 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:33:28 +0100 Subject: relaunch anomaly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77166DF2-896B-4D21-8096-3209B31DBD9D@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Paul, This script might help you: http://qurl.tk/60 (mind line wraps on the website). Since it is now possible to sun VBScript woth the do command, you might take the script apart and only use put tVBS & cr & "WshShell.AppActivate" && pTitleOrID into tVBS and put tVBS & cr & "WshShell.AppActivate" && quote & pTitleOrID & quote into tVBS -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 26 feb 2010, om 06:16 heeft Paul D. DeRocco het volgende geschreven: > The docs say that not passing the relaunch event, and not returning > anything > from the event, causes the new instance to terminate and the old > instance to > become the foreground window. When I do this under WinXP, everything > works > as advertised, including passing the command line parameter to the old > instance so that it opens the appropriate document file, except that > the > window remains in the background. Is this something that varies with > OS > version? Is there some Revolution command to force the old instance to > become the foreground window anyway? > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 03:50:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:50:17 +0200 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002252002t7dcf2441g28dcdedde3d865e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002252002t7dcf2441g28dcdedde3d865e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B878B49.7090908@gmail.com> On 26/02/2010 06:02, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Kevin Miller wrote: > >> Bill was sick for a long time before he died >> > This means that Bill was already feeling sick, > when he participated in this mail list, last december. > > Nothing in the messages that he wrote, could > have suggested his health problems. > I met him is Edinburgh at the conference; frankly he didn't look all that healthy. However he wasn't giving anything away and was truly professional. A marvellous chap who we are all the poorer for as a result of his passing. From heather at runrev.com Fri Feb 26 04:42:46 2010 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:42:46 +0000 Subject: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save In-Reply-To: <3bbe202f1002252002t7dcf2441g28dcdedde3d865e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbe202f1002252002t7dcf2441g28dcdedde3d865e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D08140B-7185-4483-A9CC-EA269E3A25A8@runrev.com> Bill was a professional. Perhaps to the point where it contributed to his death. He continued to work and refused to go into hospital at one point despite both Kevin and I begging him to do so, because he had work deadlines to meet. He went to the emergency room after he had completed the work. We miss him here. He has left a hole in RunRev and in our personal lives. Heather On 26 Feb 2010, at 04:02, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Kevin Miller wrote: >> Bill was sick for a long time before he died > > This means that Bill was already feeling sick, > when he participated in this mail list, last december. > > Nothing in the messages that he wrote, could > have suggested his health problems. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone follow me on twitter http://www.twitter.com/lainopik From effendi at wanadoo.fr Fri Feb 26 06:43:23 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:43:23 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? - French Version Message-ID: <2478195D-96CF-4C14-BADF-219031DD1FF8@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I played with "zryip theSlug's" code for all of 30 seconds, replace ncal command by "cal 2010", corrected the line ending errors, corrected the month of August, and it all works fine for me. I'm on 10.5.8. Merci Monsieur "zryip theSlug" Francis > on mouseUp > local tTheCal, tTheMonth, tTheFrenchMonth, tTheDay, tTheFrenchDay > > put > "January > ,February > ,March > ,April,May,June,July,August,September,October,November,December" > into tTheMonth > put > "Janvier > ,F?vrier > ,Mars > ,Avril,Mai,Juin,Juillet,Ao?t,Septembre,Octobre,Novembre,D?cembre" > into tTheFrenchMonth > put "Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa,Su" into tTheDay > put "Lu,Ma,Me,Je,Ve,Sa,Di" into tTheFrenchDay > > put shell("cal 2010") into tTheCal > > -- Translate month > repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheMonth > replace (item x of tTheMonth) with (item x of tTheFrenchMonth) > in tTheCal > end repeat > > -- Translate day > repeat with x = 1 to number of items in tTheDay > replace (item x of tTheDay) with (item x of tTheFrenchDay) in > tTheCal > end repeat > > put tTheCal into fld "MyCal" > > end mouseUp > From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 07:06:44 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:06:44 +0000 Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application In-Reply-To: <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com> <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Keep us in touch - going to think what would be useful.... On 22 February 2010 14:29, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi all, > > Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > > Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > > > > including media installers is allowed by runrev, > > but of course one should ask em beforehand. > > > > Kevin answered this request: > > on Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM > Kevin Miller wrote: > > That would be fine. Sounds like a great project, best of luck with it! > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Who could volunteer to create a list of tutorials and Demos > that should be included in this project "Wikipedia on CD/DVD" > to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential > developers? > > Notice that we must ask for permission to every author > to include their work in this project. > > Thanks in advance. > > Alejandro > From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Fri Feb 26 08:11:20 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:11:20 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3590E035-243B-4ADC-839E-818BF5198B11@inria.fr> Thank you much Bob for this nice calendar. Also, thanks to the others who added comments, results of trials and elaborated. I was not waiting for such a "rush" on this topic ;-)) However, my problem is not solved with this kind of layout. Mostly I need that the user be able to highlight periods of the year. For example periods when a holidays' house has been rented (or is plan to be rented). With the present layout that can't be done. One can't drag (in order to highlight) from jan. 2 to jan 9 for example, or from jan. 30 to feb 6 etc That why I am looking for an annual calendar with 12 rows/lines, one for each month ( or might be 12 columns). Best regards from Grenoble (by the way, I joined the runrev folks google map ;-) Andr? Le 25 f?vr. 10 ? 20:45, Robert Cole a ?crit : > Andr?: > On Mac OS X, I use a simple shell command to put the calendar into a > field . > put shell("cal 2010") into field "Calendar Field" > Be sure to use a monospace font like Courier in the field > Bob > - - - - - - - > Bonjour, > I need an annual calendar, one which could be display entirely on one > card of a stack. > Something like 12 rows, one for each months. > > Does someone know if that has already been done with runrev and if it > is possible to get it somewhere? > > Thanks a lot in advance for any clue > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mpetrides at earthlink.net Fri Feb 26 08:21:50 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:21:50 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: For the record, when I emailed Kevin directly as he asked those of us who had not yet received our DVDs, he responded immediately and is making things right. I am now a happy camper, since I'll be getting my DVDs soon (with a promise from Kevin directly, not from a shipper that clearly wasn't doing his job). Oh, and Kevin promised they won't be using that particular shipper again--phew! Marian From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 26 09:15:56 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:15:56 -0500 Subject: Test, please ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F0F5A15-74FA-4F24-9C91-76093A007E8D@mac.com> ignored... On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 09:21:50 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:21:50 -0800 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? Message-ID: <4B87D8FE.5070305@fourthworld.com> FWIW, here's a a function I pulled out of my archives which is a sort of variant of Cal in native RevTalk, making a single month from a date passed to it. I'll leave it as an exercise to the user to make a year out of it if needed. One of the nice things about RevTalk is that the weekDayNames and monthNames functions return values in the current system's local language, so this is localized without having to do anything. Interestingly, without the overhead involved in going to shell it's about 20 times faster on my machine than calling shell("cal"). function Cal pDate -- Returns a plain-text calendar representation of -- the month the date specified in pDate is in. -- If no month is provided it uses the current -- month. Month and day names use the user's current -- system settings. -- -- Use current date as default: if pDate is empty then put the date into pDate -- Verify date is valid: convert pDate to dateitems if the result is not empty then return "Error: "& the result -- put empty into tCal -- -- Make month/year header: put item 1 of pDate into tYear put line (item 2 of pDate) of the monthNames into tMonth put tMonth && tYear into tHeader -- Center it: repeat for ( (20 - len(tHeader)) div 2) put " " after tCal end repeat put tHeader &cr after tCal -- -- Make day names header: put the abbr weekdayNames into tWeekdayNames repeat for each line tDay in tWeekdayNames put char 1 to 2 of tDay &" " after tCal end repeat put cr after tCal -- -- Pad beginning with empty days: put tMonth && "1"&& tYear into tStartDay convert tStartDay to dateitems repeat for (last item of tStartDay - 1) put " " after tCal end repeat -- -- Walk through 31 days, stopping when we reach a -- number not valid for the month we're doing: repeat with i = 1 to 31 -- Get day number: put tMonth &&i&& tYear into tDate convert tDate to dateitems if the result is not empty then exit repeat put item 3 of tDate into tDayNum -- -- Pad it and add it: if len(i) = 1 then put " " before i put i &" " after tCal -- -- Go to next line if we're at the end of the week: if last item of tDate = 7 then put cr after tCal end repeat -- -- Pad empty lines at end for uniform appearance -- when using multiple calendars in a field: repeat for (8-the number of lines of tCal) put cr after tCal end repeat -- -- Send it to the caller: return tCal end Cal -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From david at architex.tv Fri Feb 26 09:27:57 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:27:57 +0000 Subject: Datagrids and Google Spreadsheets Message-ID: I have been meaning to do this for a while now - finally got a good excuse to play with gData and Rev :) Before starting this was interested to see if anyone has already worked on this, or is interested in learning / experimenting / working on it. The aim is to be able to have 2 way communication between a google spread sheet and a datagrid table (ie creation and writing to spread sheets and reading from spreadsheets to be displayed by a datagrid). Trevor if you are listening - have you any scripts for extracting XML from datagrids that I could customise - I'm working with a version of your generic array to xml code - just wandering if you have any updates designed to work with data grids? From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:38:56 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:38:56 -0600 Subject: scrolling groups and magic mouse? Message-ID: <8ea148a01002260638m268e4372h72a3f72037cd7ca1@mail.gmail.com> fields seem to respond to swipe-scrolling with the magic mouse just fine, but groups with scrollbars don't. Is there a way to fix that? From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 26 10:06:22 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:06:22 -0600 Subject: [ANN] tRev gets fixes and fine tuning! Message-ID: tRevors, Here's what we got this week: - Wrapping no longer gets turned off when using Decoder. - Clicking handler links no longer mishandles the current selection. - Closing a tab within a group of tabs no longer misnames the BROWSER tab. - Scratch Pad resizes after saving a stack file from the Browser. Updates available for registered users. Big stuff in the works for next week! Stay tuned... Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 26 10:39:59 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:39:59 +0100 Subject: scrolling groups and magic mouse? In-Reply-To: <8ea148a01002260638m268e4372h72a3f72037cd7ca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ea148a01002260638m268e4372h72a3f72037cd7ca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In a field put this script, then swipe away: on rawkeydown theKey put theKey --a number pass rawkeydown end rawkeydown in your group do this then swipe away: on rawkeydown theKey if thekey = then set the scroll of me to the scroll of me +2 else if theKey = then set the scroll of me to the scroll of me -2 end if put the scroll of me end rawkeydown bjoernke ps: 65308,65309 On 26 Feb 2010, at 15:38, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > fields seem to respond to swipe-scrolling with the magic mouse just > fine, but groups with scrollbars don't. Is there a way to fix that? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 11:12:52 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:12:52 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder Message-ID: <4B87F304.9010109@fourthworld.com> In one of my apps I have a list of things I'd like folks to be able to drag to the Finder, and then when they're dropped I'll assemble the needed parts and write them to a file at the drag destination. I can't figure out how to get the path where the user dropped. Did I miss something obvious? I hope so. TIA - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 11:20:54 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:20:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B87F304.9010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <633132.95873.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > In one of my apps I have a list of > things I'd like folks to be able to drag to the Finder, and > then when they're dropped I'll assemble the needed parts and > write them to a file at the drag destination. > > I can't figure out how to get the path where the user > dropped. > > Did I miss something obvious?? I hope so. > > TIA - > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Unfortunately, you can't get the drag destination for such a drag'n'drop operation. The only workaround I've found so far, is to actually already write the data to a temporary file in the dragStart event, and set the dragData["file"] to the path of this temporary file - finally, in dragEnd, check if the temp file is still there and delete it. While that's ok for small data files, it makes it difficult to write an FTP client where the user can drag a remote file to his local machine... Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 11:22:51 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:22:51 -0600 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B87F304.9010109@fourthworld.com> References: <4B87F304.9010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002260822ne86d758p837d56ac8a90e20f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > In one of my apps I have a list of things I'd like folks to be able to drag > to the Finder, and then when they're dropped I'll assemble the needed parts > and write them to a file at the drag destination. > > I can't figure out how to get the path where the user dropped. > Richard, To my knowledge that's impossible (on every OS). As I understand the drag/drop paradigm, you can't see where something is dropped to if the target is another application. You may want to consider trying a different paradigm if you need to do some processing after the drag operation completes. For example, you could either: * Drag a folder from the finder into your app and use that as the destination or * Select the files and use "ask file" to save the "operation" to a target location. Just some thoughts. Jeff M. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 11:46:03 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:46:03 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder Message-ID: <4B87FACB.1060909@fourthworld.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> In one of my apps I have a list of things I'd like folks to be able to drag >> to the Finder, and then when they're dropped I'll assemble the needed parts >> and write them to a file at the drag destination. >> >> I can't figure out how to get the path where the user dropped. > > To my knowledge that's impossible (on every OS). As I understand the > drag/drop paradigm, you can't see where something is dropped to if the > target is another application. But as Jan suggested, how do most FTP clients work? In Interarchy I can drop to any folder and it works great. I'd like to be able to do something similar - there must be a way. > You may want to consider trying a different paradigm if you need to do some > processing after the drag operation completes. For example, you could > either: > > * Drag a folder from the finder into your app and use that as the > destination or > * Select the files and use "ask file" to save the "operation" to a target > location. > > Just some thoughts. I may have to resort to something like that in the short term. What a drag (pun intended). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri Feb 26 11:47:44 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:47:44 +0000 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? Message-ID: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Dear All, I am looking for some good alternatives for my existing windows apps, when switching/extending to MacOSx. Under Windows I use Texteditor : Ultraedit IconEditor : IconWorkshop FTP Client : WsFTP MySQL Frontend: HeidiSQL TextureTool : Texturemaker I am also looking for a free Graphic program and a 3D animation program. So are there any free or at least cheap MacOSx alternatives. Best regards, Matthias From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Feb 26 11:57:01 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:57:01 -0700 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Matthais, Here's what I use; others will surely have other suggestions. On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:47 AM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Dear All, > > I am looking for some good alternatives for my existing windows > apps, when switching/extending to MacOSx. > > Under Windows I use > > Texteditor : Ultraedit Free TextEdit that comes with OS X Free TextWrangler from barebones software (the "lite" version of BBedit.) BBedit if you want to buy something high-end. > IconEditor : IconWorkshop Free Icon Composer that comes with Apple's free developer tool, XCode. > FTP Client : WsFTP Fetch - free to education users, but I don't know how much commercially. > MySQL Frontend: HeidiSQL I use PHPMyAdmin, a free browser-based interface. > TextureTool : Texturemaker No idea. > > > I am also looking for a free Graphic program and a 3D animation > program. I don't use it, but probably Gimp? > > So are there any free or at least cheap MacOSx alternatives. I'll bet Richmond will chime in. He is the champ of finding free apps. :-) Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Feb 26 12:03:33 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:03:33 +0100 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <6C7B0B39-1EAA-4BA4-A82F-17B57AD92659@major.on-rev.com> Hi Matthias, here my personal list of equivalent Mac apps: > Dear All, > > I am looking for some good alternatives for my existing windows apps, when switching/extending to MacOSx. > Under Windows I use > Texteditor : Ultraedit TextWrangler, free > IconEditor : IconWorkshop Any image editing tool for creation of the the necessary PNG graphics and "IconComposer" from the Apple Developer Tools, which are free after free registration at Apple. > FTP Client : WsFTP I paid 20,- Euro for Captain FTP, but there is CyberDuck, a free alternative: > MySQL Frontend: HeidiSQL SeQueL Pro, free > TextureTool : Texturemaker Sorry, no idea. > I am also looking for a free Graphic program e.g. GIMP, free, still needs X11 > and a 3D animation program. Blender, free > So are there any free or at least cheap MacOSx alternatives. Except Blender and GIMP I use all of these apps in my works. > Best regards, > > Matthias Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 12:08:30 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:08:30 +0200 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B88000E.9030002@gmail.com> QUITE! > I'll bet Richmond will chime in. He is the champ of finding free apps. > :-) > Graphics: Inkscape (Vector), Microsoft Expression 3 (Vector) , GIMP, Paintbrush, Pixen (animated GIFs) 3d: DAZStudio, MakeHuman, Terragen, Sweet Home 3D Office: Open Office, Neooffice, Abiword, OOo4Kids Text: TextWrangler, Aquamacs Emacs Project Management: GanttPV, GanttProject Audio: Audacity, Ardour, Plarpebu (karaoke) Calendar: SunBird E-mail: ThunderBird Web Work: KompoZer, Amaya FTP: CyberDuck 3d Animation: Got me there. From david at architex.tv Fri Feb 26 12:10:22 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:10:22 +0000 Subject: HTTP DELETE Message-ID: Is there any way to issue and HTTP DELETE command from Rev natively (not using curl?) - AFAIK this has not been added? From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 12:11:38 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:11:38 -0600 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B87FACB.1060909@fourthworld.com> References: <4B87FACB.1060909@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002260911o175b519cle6be2acc0b169470@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> In one of my apps I have a list of things I'd like folks to be able to >>> drag >>> to the Finder, and then when they're dropped I'll assemble the needed >>> parts >>> and write them to a file at the drag destination. >>> >>> I can't figure out how to get the path where the user dropped. >>> >> >> To my knowledge that's impossible (on every OS). As I understand the >> drag/drop paradigm, you can't see where something is dropped to if the >> target is another application. >> > > But as Jan suggested, how do most FTP clients work? In Interarchy I can > drop to any folder and it works great. I'd like to be able to do something > similar - there must be a way. > Sorry, Richard, perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but most FTP clients aren't doing anything special that I'm aware of. Usually it's the target application's responsibility to know what to do with whatever is dropped on it. I was under the impression that you wanted to know where it was dropped and then begin to do some work (like combing all the files into a single zip) and then perform the transfer. As an example of what I'm thinking, if I browse to an image in FireFox, and then drag the image to my desktop, FireFox isn't doing anything here (that I'm aware of) other than creating a drag object containing data that points to the image's URL. Explorer (or the Finder on Mac) is then responsible for accepting the drag data of that type and handling it appropriately (in this case, starting either a download or creating an alias/shortcut to the hyperlink location). This is my very cursory understanding of this, though. I haven't worked with a lot of FTP clients, and the ones I have had 2 directory trees: local and report, and I dragged and dropped within the application. On Win32 I know you can also hook into the messages sent to another window/process (not sure about OS X). It's possible some of the applications you have used in the past do this and when they receive a remote file drop event they end up sending a message back to the main application to initiate the transfer. Jeff M. From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri Feb 26 12:11:57 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:11:57 -0600 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: Matthias, I have only one recommendation: I use Interachy FTP client on Mac OS. Andre recommended it to me. It's not free, but it works SO much like the finder and its drag-n-drop is very, very convenient for moving files or entire directories from one site to another. A few years back, I switched to Mac for my main dev machine. This was during the XP years. My main reason was to reduce wear and tear on my eyes and get another two hours of coding done a day. Since then, Vista was a lot easier to look at, but had other problems we all know about. Windows 7 has a lot of promise, but not enough to make me switch?yet. Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:47 AM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Dear All, > > I am looking for some good alternatives for my existing windows > apps, when switching/extending to MacOSx. > > Under Windows I use > > Texteditor : Ultraedit > IconEditor : IconWorkshop > FTP Client : WsFTP > MySQL Frontend: HeidiSQL > TextureTool : Texturemaker > > > I am also looking for a free Graphic program and a 3D animation > program. > > So are there any free or at least cheap MacOSx alternatives. > > Best regards, > > Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bgeorgeff at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 12:30:34 2010 From: bgeorgeff at gmail.com (Bob G) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:30:34 -0800 Subject: How Dr. Seuss Might Explain Computer Crashes Message-ID: <8deffbf21002260930x6e9fb830leac075d694d1e30c@mail.gmail.com> *How Dr. Seuss Might Explain Computer Crashes * If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access of the memory makes your disk drive to abort, then the socket packet pocket has an error to report. If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, and your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash, then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash! If the label on the cable on the table at your house says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol, that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of Gauss, so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse; then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, ?cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk, and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk, then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM. Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom! From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 12:32:44 2010 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: HTTP DELETE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <353821.40546.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, David Bovill wrote: > Is there any way to issue and HTTP > DELETE command from Rev natively (not > using curl?) - AFAIK this has not been added? > AFAIK, you can use a 'delete URL' command: ## delete URL "http://www.runrev.com/index.html" ## returns "error 405: method not allowed" - good thing you need the right permissions to do this :-) Depending on the server end, you'll either have to send the user and password along in the url, or set the http headers to handle the authentication. HTH, Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) From marcio at cialogica.com.br Fri Feb 26 12:44:49 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:44:49 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server Message-ID: Hi, I'm currently building a new version of a product that has 3 modules: * A sockets server that operates the application logic. * The administration module which communicates with the server using sockets to set properties. * The PDA module that is actually what users interact and that also communicates with the server using sockets. Today I have the server and administration modules written in Delphi and Palm/WinMo solutions on the PDAs. It would be very, very interesting if I could have a server that I could deploy on Windows, Linux or Mac machines, so I built a "test" version in Rev, but I found it does not handle multiple requests, but queues and process one at a time, which is not suitable for this solution. I've been thinking if there is any way to overcome this situation, perhaps launching a separate process for each connection, passing the client address to this new process, this way I could return immediately from the handler, letting it process the queue, while the process actually handles the request and feedback to the client. Does anyone have any idea if starting multiple Rev subprocesses is possible or perhaps any other idea on how to do this concurrent handling in Rev? Thanks in advance. Marcio Alexandroni ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 Brazil Skype: marcioalexandroni -- From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 26 13:04:25 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:04:25 -0800 Subject: relaunch anomaly In-Reply-To: <77166DF2-896B-4D21-8096-3209B31DBD9D@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: > From: Mark Schonewille > > This script might help you: http://qurl.tk/60 (mind line wraps on the > website). > > Since it is now possible to sun VBScript woth the do command, you > might take the script apart and only use > > put tVBS & cr & "WshShell.AppActivate" && pTitleOrID into tVBS > > and > > put tVBS & cr & "WshShell.AppActivate" && quote & pTitleOrID & > quote into tVBS Thanks. Looks promising. I'm surprised there isn't a Rev command for this though. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 26 13:15:39 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:15:39 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002261015u31a3293cu34d9d80708cc5bf2@mail.gmail.com> Oi Marcio, I think you're now officially the second Brazilian using Revolution. Right now Rev is single threaded and that is all. What you could build is a pool of Rev processes coordinated by a master process. So you could have a Linux standalone launch multiple socket servers and then play the role of proxy relaying the connection to them. This would involve changing your protocol since we can't really delegate a connection to another process, you'd need to reply to the client with something like: "hey connect again on port something" and it would reconnect using one of the socket servers. I don't know your application logic, but if your socket server acts fast enough then some queueing is not that bad. In the meanwhile, if you're doing your logic on top of HTTP, why not use a simple portable server and Rev based CGI, this would solve the problem (and propose new ones as you'd need to handle the statelessness) Cheers andre PS: Voc? ? de sampa n?? On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Marcio Alexandroni wrote: > Hi, > > I'm currently building a new version of a product that has 3 modules: > > * A sockets server that operates the application logic. > * The administration module which communicates with the server using > sockets > to set properties. > * The PDA module that is actually what users interact and that also > communicates with the server using sockets. > > Today I have the server and administration modules written in Delphi and > Palm/WinMo solutions on the PDAs. > > It would be very, very interesting if I could have a server that I could > deploy on Windows, Linux or Mac machines, so I built a "test" version in > Rev, but I found it does not handle multiple requests, but queues and > process one at a time, which is not suitable for this solution. > > I've been thinking if there is any way to overcome this situation, perhaps > launching a separate process for each connection, passing the client > address > to this new process, this way I could return immediately from the handler, > letting it process the queue, while the process actually handles the > request > and feedback to the client. > > Does anyone have any idea if starting multiple Rev subprocesses is possible > or perhaps any other idea on how to do this concurrent handling in Rev? > > Thanks in advance. > > Marcio Alexandroni > ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 > Brazil > Skype: marcioalexandroni > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 26 13:17:07 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:17:07 -0300 Subject: HTTP DELETE In-Reply-To: <353821.40546.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <353821.40546.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002261017l449b3761x3e87050a707b9467@mail.gmail.com> wow that actually works!?! I thought you had to use raw sockets to do such things... On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, David Bovill wrote: > > Is there any way to issue and HTTP > > DELETE command from Rev natively (not > > using curl?) - AFAIK this has not been added? > > > > AFAIK, you can use a 'delete URL' command: > ## > delete URL "http://www.runrev.com/index.html" > ## > returns "error 405: method not allowed" - good thing you need the right > permissions to do this :-) > Depending on the server end, you'll either have to send the user and > password along in the url, or set the http headers to handle the > authentication. > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." > (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 13:22:13 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:22:13 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder Message-ID: <4B881155.7070607@fourthworld.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: ... >> But as Jan suggested, how do most FTP clients work? In Interarchy I can >> drop to any folder and it works great. I'd like to be able to do something >> similar - there must be a way. > > Sorry, Richard, perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but most FTP clients aren't > doing anything special that I'm aware of. Usually it's the target > application's responsibility to know what to do with whatever is dropped on > it. > > I was under the impression that you wanted to know where it was dropped and > then begin to do some work (like combing all the files into a single zip) > and then perform the transfer. > > As an example of what I'm thinking, if I browse to an image in FireFox, and > then drag the image to my desktop, FireFox isn't doing anything here (that > I'm aware of) other than creating a drag object containing data that points > to the image's URL. Explorer (or the Finder on Mac) is then responsible for > accepting the drag data of that type and handling it appropriately (in this > case, starting either a download or creating an alias/shortcut to the > hyperlink location). > > This is my very cursory understanding of this, though. I haven't worked with > a lot of FTP clients, and the ones I have had 2 directory trees: local and > report, and I dragged and dropped within the application. I've used a few like that myself (GoLive and FileZilla work that way). It may be just a Mac convention that supports this so well, but I use Interarchy for FTP and it does a wonderful job of behaving Finder-like: I just drag the file name from its listing into the Finder and it starts the download. Beautiful, simple, lets the user interact with their files directly in the context they're most familiar with. > On Win32 I know you can also hook into the messages sent to another > window/process (not sure about OS X). It's possible some of the applications > you have used in the past do this and when they receive a remote file drop > event they end up sending a message back to the main application to initiate > the transfer. Exactly. I'm not sure what the API looks like for Win and Linux, but I was able to turn up the Cocoa API and posted it to a new RQCC request to extend the dragDestination to include a list of file paths when dragging to the Finder, Windows Explorer, or Linux file manager: In the meantime I thought of a crude hack: If I had a shell call to get the paths of all open windows, I could cache the file listings from each into an array, do the drag, and after the drop check the file listings again, comparing them to the ones I've cached until I find the one in which the change is the name of the file I've dragged. It's a lot of overhead, but provides so much usability that I'm willing to give it a try if only I could find the shell commands to get that list of open windows for OS X, Win, and Linux. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From marcio at cialogica.com.br Fri Feb 26 13:28:50 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:28:50 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002261015u31a3293cu34d9d80708cc5bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Andre, Thank you for your ideas. It's good to know there are more Brazilians here... The applications runs pure TCP/IP with a custom protocol to exchange data and it handles dozens of simultaneous calls at the same time, this is why it must be multithreaded, the queuing will not work in this case because of the time it would need to respond to the last caller. Anyway, can you explain a little bit more about the CGI idea and the portable server? Thank you. PS: moro em Bragan?a Paulista/SP. Assisti a um video seu, acho que foi da confer?ncia 08. Abra?o. Marcio Alexandroni www.cialogica.com.br ( (11) 9989-8316 marcioalexandroni -- > From: Andre Garzia > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:15:39 -0300 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server > > Oi Marcio, > > I think you're now officially the second Brazilian using Revolution. Right > now Rev is single threaded and that is all. What you could build is a pool > of Rev processes coordinated by a master process. So you could have a Linux > standalone launch multiple socket servers and then play the role of proxy > relaying the connection to them. This would involve changing your protocol > since we can't really delegate a connection to another process, you'd need > to reply to the client with something like: "hey connect again on port > something" and it would reconnect using one of the socket servers. > > I don't know your application logic, but if your socket server acts fast > enough then some queueing is not that bad. > > In the meanwhile, if you're doing your logic on top of HTTP, why not use a > simple portable server and Rev based CGI, this would solve the problem (and > propose new ones as you'd need to handle the statelessness) > > Cheers > andre > PS: Voc? ? de sampa n?? > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Marcio Alexandroni > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm currently building a new version of a product that has 3 modules: >> >> * A sockets server that operates the application logic. >> * The administration module which communicates with the server using >> sockets >> to set properties. >> * The PDA module that is actually what users interact and that also >> communicates with the server using sockets. >> >> Today I have the server and administration modules written in Delphi and >> Palm/WinMo solutions on the PDAs. >> >> It would be very, very interesting if I could have a server that I could >> deploy on Windows, Linux or Mac machines, so I built a "test" version in >> Rev, but I found it does not handle multiple requests, but queues and >> process one at a time, which is not suitable for this solution. >> >> I've been thinking if there is any way to overcome this situation, perhaps >> launching a separate process for each connection, passing the client >> address >> to this new process, this way I could return immediately from the handler, >> letting it process the queue, while the process actually handles the >> request >> and feedback to the client. >> >> Does anyone have any idea if starting multiple Rev subprocesses is possible >> or perhaps any other idea on how to do this concurrent handling in Rev? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Marcio Alexandroni >> ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 >> Brazil >> Skype: marcioalexandroni >> -- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 26 13:41:33 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:41:33 -0600 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B8815DD.1060902@hyperactivesw.com> runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Dear All, > > I am looking for some good alternatives for my existing windows apps, when switching/extending to MacOSx. > > Under Windows I use > > Texteditor : Ultraedit > IconEditor : IconWorkshop > FTP Client : WsFTP > MySQL Frontend: HeidiSQL > TextureTool : Texturemaker I use Graphic Converter for graphics. You can use it free if you are willing to put up with a 10-second startup nag screen. GC will open over 100 different kinds of image files from any platform, which is a big advantage. The latest version has a minimal texture-creation capability. Its major restriction is that it does not fully support layers yet, so if you need layering then you'll probably have to use GIMP. I also use: TextEditor: BBEdit (TextWrangler is the free version) IconEditor: Icon Composer (Apple's free utility) FTP Client: Fetch Fetch is not free but is inexpensive. It mimics the Finder interface exactly, lets you drag and drop files, allows you to edit files directly on the server if you have compatible editing apps (very handy,) uses the same keyboard shortcuts as Finder, and more. I like it a lot. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:06:16 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: How Dr. Seuss Might Explain Computer Crashes In-Reply-To: <8deffbf21002260930x6e9fb830leac075d694d1e30c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8deffbf21002260930x6e9fb830leac075d694d1e30c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267211176946-1571171.post@n4.nabble.com> Really funny! Post this in a webpage, so many people could read and get a laugh. :-) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/How-Dr-Seuss-Might-Explain-Computer-Crashes-tp1571020p1571171.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:15:15 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Playing sound in revWeb revlet In-Reply-To: <65CD043A-3DAD-46E6-A2E7-C9379D20CBBE@major.on-rev.com> References: <50D4F93A-3FC9-45D8-A007-88875206F262@mac.com> <65CD043A-3DAD-46E6-A2E7-C9379D20CBBE@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1267211715524-1571185.post@n4.nabble.com> Klaus on-rev wrote: > > I always use the AU format, which never failed for me > and I even got this working in a Revlet with "play ac xyz.au" > Yes, this works fine. I use the command line application: Sox http://sox.sourceforge.net/ to convert various audio formats to compressed AU Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Playing-sound-in-revWeb-revlet-tp1567482p1571185.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:22:39 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:22:39 +0200 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B881F7F.9040307@gmail.com> 3D animation: Blender not that I've ever used it; it sits on my computer as a "must have" (have you seen 'Big Buck Bunny' yet? http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/ ) It's marvellous! From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:37:29 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:37:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267213049871-1571217.post@n4.nabble.com> Robert Brenstein wrote: > > revlet loading techniques? All I get is "plugin not loaded." > On my side of the web, double clicking one of the names of first card: Solutions Database shows all fields empty on second card: Test Solution. Why i am getting this error? Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Project-Euler-tp1566143p1571217.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 26 14:40:06 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:40:06 -0600 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <4B881F7F.9040307@gmail.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B881F7F.9040307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > 3D animation: Blender > > not that I've ever used it; it sits on my computer as a "must have" Forgot about that, I need to pick up a copy. It's supposed to be very good, but I hear it has a learning curve from hell, so I haven't tackled it yet. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:44:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:44:41 +0200 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <4B8824A9.8050603@gmail.com> Textures: Context Free, SeaShore, JTexSynth (java based) 2D animation: Pencil, ComiPro Vector Graphics (as well as Inkscape and Expression 3): Drawberry, Open Office DRAW is really very useful. CinePaint.... Over Dose of FREE image editors: Acorn, PixelMator, ImageWell, ArtRage: "ArtRage [is] the easy to use, stylish painting package that lets you get painting from the moment you open it up. You can paint with oils, sketch with pencils, sprinkle glitter, and more. You can paint with gold leaf, silver foil, and other metallic colors. You can even load in your photos as Tracing Images to help you recreate them as paintings. Each of the tools in ArtRage is designed to work like its real world counterpart (minus the smell of paint thinners, and that piece of glitter you just can't get out of the carpet). Thick paint smears and blends, pencils and chalks smudge, and markers work just like they do in the real world. Many of the tools can be adjusted to give different effects. ArtRage makes it easy to recreate photos or other images using its paint tools. When you load a Tracing Image the original is projected on to your canvas so that you can use it as a guide while you sketch and paint. Guide Comments: ArtRage started out as a free program for Windows only, but as new features were added and a Mac version was developed, it was offered for sale--very reasonably at US$19.95. The Free Edition lives on however, with some full version features disabled." DON'T spend money on Mac Software; once you have the machine and the operating system pretty well everything else should be FREE. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:51:07 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:51:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application In-Reply-To: References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com> <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1267213867004-1571234.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi David, David Bovill-3 wrote: > > Keep us in touch - going to think what would be useful.... > Remember that, for this project, we could contribute Password protected libraries, for specific functions or features. In this way, your code is protected but still available for use in this project. Many thanks for your help! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1571234.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Feb 26 14:55:50 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:50 -0300 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <1267213049871-1571217.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> <1267213049871-1571217.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a11002261155t1713e69bub8c3d2c60f883cf2@mail.gmail.com> good question, have you given the revlet network permissions? On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > > Robert Brenstein wrote: > > > > revlet loading techniques? All I get is "plugin not loaded." > > > > On my side of the web, double clicking one > of the names of first card: Solutions Database > shows all fields empty on second card: Test Solution. > > Why i am getting this error? > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Project-Euler-tp1566143p1571217.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 26 15:08:58 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:08:58 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B881155.7070607@fourthworld.com> References: <4B881155.7070607@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4A479DDD-518D-4A6F-A319-35BBEAE9F93B@twft.com> On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > It's a lot of overhead, but provides so much usability that I'm willing to give it a try if only I could find the shell commands to get that list of open windows for OS X, Win, and Linux. http://ss64.com/osx/ From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:10:35 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:10:35 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <93219CD9-0D26-4FF2-8683-855D38296E20@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251256n55367329sed1d1cefaac36496@mail.gmail.com> <21F14055-60CF-4175-815D-DEBFB01077FD@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251337y56bf9a6fg4d868c22705f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <5F970A1B-A8CF-4330-8FDB-39D89B46D7B1@skynet.be> <64bda6471002251405n76da5307u8826cc578225838@mail.gmail.com> <4B86FD9F.2090601@hyperactivesw.com> <64bda6471002251509s52287e02r535f8b117a840ed9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002261210h542e6dcape2c66bac6535ecf6@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/26 Brian Yennie : > According to the ncal docs, the country code has nothing to do with language, just Gregorian dates: > > ? ?-s country_code > ? ? ? ? ? ?Assume the switch from Julian to Gregorian Calendar at the date > ? ? ? ? ? ?associated with the country_code. ?If not specified, ncal tries to > ? ? ? ? ? ?guess the switch date from the local environment or falls back to > ? ? ? ? ? ?September 2, 1752. ?This was when Great Britain and her colonies > ? ? ? ? ? ?switched to the Gregorian Calendar. You're right Brian. I confess that I've only read "country_code" and thought it was a solution. Then I searched on forums the list of available country code. I have seen an example in a forum and concluded that I was in the good way... 2010/2/26 Yves COPPE : > no, 10.5.7 Odds. In theory I'm not in a custom system. The ncal was definitively not the solution ;) 2010/2/26 Andre.Bisseret : > Thank you much Bob for this nice calendar. > Also, thanks to the others who added comments, results of trials and > elaborated. > I was not waiting for such a "rush" on this topic ;-)) > > However, my problem is not solved with this kind of layout. Mostly I need > that the user be able to highlight periods of the year. > For example periods when a holidays' house has been rented (or is plan to be > rented). > > With the present layout that can't be done. One can't drag (in order to > highlight) from jan. 2 to jan 9 for example, or from jan. 30 to feb 6 etc > > That why I am looking for an annual calendar with 12 rows/lines, one for > each month ( or might be 12 columns). Andr?, Have a look to the work of David Beck: http://www.rotundasoftware.com/rev/ He sent an announce on the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg129010.html -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:11:34 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:11:34 +0200 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B881F7F.9040307@gmail.com> <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B882AF6.2010306@gmail.com> On 26/02/2010 21:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> 3D animation: Blender >> >> not that I've ever used it; it sits on my computer as a "must have" > > Forgot about that, I need to pick up a copy. It's supposed to be very > good, but I hear it has a learning curve from hell, so I haven't > tackled it yet. > Yes, well, as I am quite good at creating my own personal hell (see my Devawriter) I don't feel a great urge to jump into another hell: better the devil you know than the devil you don't . . . :) Certainly the results are mind-blowing. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri Feb 26 15:23:44 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:23:44 +0000 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? Message-ID: <00000CE8.4B883BDF@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Thanks for all your recommendations. I you have more than let me (us) know. I will look into each recommendation. Now only the Mac has to arrive here, then i can start. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? (26-Feb-2010 17:50) From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Dear All, > > I am looking for some good alternatives for my existing windows apps, when > switching/extending to MacOSx. > > Under Windows I use > > Texteditor : Ultraedit > IconEditor : IconWorkshop > FTP Client : WsFTP > MySQL Frontend: HeidiSQL > TextureTool : Texturemaker > > > I am also looking for a free Graphic program and a 3D animation program. > > So are there any free or at least cheap MacOSx alternatives. > > Best regards, > > Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 15:38:03 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:38:03 -0800 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: <1DACD324-308A-44CA-81CF-7A0D085BABFB@yahoo.com> Very strong recommendation FTP using RBrowser in free mode = FTP, without synchronization and some other features Very powerful Mac interface Drag and drop Easy user interface for changing permissions. One feature I like is double clicking a file in the FTP client that opens locally and then saves changes back to the FPT location. Easy user interface for assigning the default app to open the file on your computer Examples a text file in TextEdit, PDFs in Preview, spreadsheets in Excel mp3 in iTunes, mov in QuickTime html in your favorite editor (mine is BBEdit) While we are on the subject, there is a method for drag and drop on Mac OSX that most don't know about. Let's say you wanted to upload 3 jpgs to the web server. In the Finder hilight the files, click and begin dragging... now while holding down the mouse, use command-tab to change the application to your FTP app, continue dragging the correct folder, then release. This works for any drag-drop operation between programs that are running on the Mac. Jim Ault Las Vegas From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 15:42:02 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:42:02 -0800 Subject: HTTP DELETE In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002261017l449b3761x3e87050a707b9467@mail.gmail.com> References: <353821.40546.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7c87a2a11002261017l449b3761x3e87050a707b9467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23094C4A-2E84-4912-AE65-39820001323A@yahoo.com> You could build a utility CGI to delete files on a server in irev, revcgi, or php, pearl, and not have to worry about authorization. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > wow that actually works!?! > > I thought you had to use raw sockets to do such things... > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jan Schenkel > wrote: > >> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, David Bovill wrote: >>> Is there any way to issue and HTTP >>> DELETE command from Rev natively (not >>> using curl?) - AFAIK this has not been added? >>> >> >> AFAIK, you can use a 'delete URL' command: >> ## >> delete URL "http://www.runrev.com/index.html" >> ## >> returns "error 405: method not allowed" - good thing you need the >> right >> permissions to do this :-) >> Depending on the server end, you'll either have to send the user and >> password along in the url, or set the http headers to handle the >> authentication. >> >> HTH, >> >> Jan Schenkel From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 15:52:58 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:52:58 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B881155.7070607@fourthworld.com> References: <4B881155.7070607@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I've used a few like that myself (GoLive and FileZilla work that > way). It may be just a Mac convention that supports this so well, > but I use Interarchy for FTP and it does a wonderful job of behaving > Finder-like: I just drag the file name from its listing into the > Finder and it starts the download. Beautiful, simple, lets the user > interact with their files directly in the context they're most > familiar with. This is true Richard, but the Interarchy drag-drop interface drops data that is recognized by the accepting app, such as the Finder, that matches what the Finder is expecting. In the case of moving files, it would be the full path and it triggers the 'move file command' if on the same drive, and 'copy file command' if on different volumes or servers. You task is more complex. You are saying that you want your app to receive a report back from the Finder that contains the location the user chose. This is not the normal semaphore unless you use AppleScripting (which is Mac only of course). Beyond that, you want is to do work that the destination app may not understand, such as build a text file and save it. As far as file listings, the [ls] command can be 'piped' to a text file on the hard drive or an environmental memory variable for access by your app. The [ls] command will produce a list, and if you use Google, I am sure you can locate a directory walk script out there somewhere. My take would be that the user defines the destination by drag-drop to your app, then you check permissions, and go forth. Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 16:27:39 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder Message-ID: <4B883CCB.2070101@fourthworld.com> Jim Ault wrote: > On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> I've used a few like that myself (GoLive and FileZilla work that >> way). It may be just a Mac convention that supports this so well, >> but I use Interarchy for FTP and it does a wonderful job of behaving >> Finder-like: I just drag the file name from its listing into the >> Finder and it starts the download. Beautiful, simple, lets the user >> interact with their files directly in the context they're most >> familiar with. > > This is true Richard, but the Interarchy drag-drop interface drops > data that is recognized by the accepting app, such as the Finder, that > matches what the Finder is expecting. In the case of moving files, it > would be the full path and it triggers the 'move file command' if on > the same drive, and 'copy file command' if on different volumes or > servers. > > You task is more complex. You are saying that you want your app to > receive a report back from the Finder that contains the location the > user chose. This is not the normal semaphore unless you use > AppleScripting (which is Mac only of course). Beyond that, you want > is to do work that the destination app may not understand, such as > build a text file and save it. Actually, as an FTP app Interarchy is facing the same issue I am: there is no file to move at the time the drop is made. There's not even any data; it still needs to be downloaded. If there's a simpler way to accomplish this I'd love to find it, but it would appear that Interarchy (and the many other FTP tools that use drag-and-drop) are getting info from the Finder to know which file to download their data into. I don't know specifically what Interarchy is doing what it's doing under the hood, but I was able to turn up some Cocoa info on this which I included in my RQCC request: From my brief reading in the Cocoa specs, it seems the namesOfPromisedFilesDroppedAtDestination part of the drop record returned to the drag source app contains the paths to the files the receiver promises to create. > As far as file listings, the [ls] command can be 'piped' to a text > file on the hard drive or an environmental memory variable for access > by your app. The [ls] command will produce a list, and if you use > Google, I am sure you can locate a directory walk script out there > somewhere. Traversing all files would take too long, but fortunately we only need to know about the folders that are open, and their subfolders. Just to see how this might play out I ran a little test, with favorable results: getting "the files" from a dozen random folders containing a total of about 1200 files takes only 12 milliseconds on my three-year-old Mac (2.1GHz). So even if it took 10 times as long that's still about a tenth of a second, plenty of time since we're responding to a user action. Now the trick is to find a quick way to determine which folders are open. As much as I appreciate Bob's posting the list of command line calls for OS X (thanks Bob) I didn't see one there that gives me a list of open folders - and that means AppleScript, and that means MUCH slower performance. And it still doesn't provide a solution for Win and Linux. :( > My take would be that the user defines the destination by drag-drop to > your app, then you check permissions, and go forth. That's what I have in place now as a workaround, but it's quite a drag to have to sacrifice consistent interactions: we let folks upload via drag-and-drop, but make them go through that gawdawful file picker dialog to download, while other products do it so much more gracefully. There must be a way.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 17:32:20 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:32:20 +1000 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B883CCB.2070101@fourthworld.com> References: <4B883CCB.2070101@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > That's what I have in place now as a workaround, but it's quite a drag to > have to sacrifice consistent interactions: ?we let folks upload via > drag-and-drop, but make them go through that gawdawful file picker dialog to > download, while other products do it so much more gracefully. While being able to implement drag & drop properly would be great, my work-around is to get the user to select a downloads folder, just like a web browser does. Then any downloaded file just goes directly to the selected download folder without having to use a file picker. If you are implementing your plan of scanning the open windows, don't forget the desktop, which may not show up as a window but will be a popular recipient of a drag&drop operation. Cheers, Sarah From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 26 17:33:59 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:33:59 -0800 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: >> 3D animation: Blender For Mac 3D modeling, I've gotten into Cheetah3D: http://www.cheetah3d.com/ Currently $149 (sometimes on sale for $99) I'm a 3D novice, but this has been relatively easy to understand with a nice interface and inexpensive. I spent a few hours with Blender and could not figure it out. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From massung at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 17:41:53 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:41:53 -0600 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: References: <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002261441j23ab0363s9e10a1548a6f83fb@mail.gmail.com> Cheetah is nice. I'm very fond of Silo3D, though: http://www.nevercenter.com/, and one license works for all platforms. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > > >> 3D animation: Blender > > > For Mac 3D modeling, I've gotten into Cheetah3D: > http://www.cheetah3d.com/ > Currently $149 (sometimes on sale for $99) > > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Fri Feb 26 17:43:35 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:43:35 +1100 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B883CCB.2070101@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > If there's a simpler way to accomplish this I'd love to find it, but it > would appear that Interarchy (and the many other FTP tools that use > drag-and-drop) are getting info from the Finder to know which file to > download their data into. On OSX, what about querying the path of the front Finder window just before the drop is made via applescript. Try... Tell application "Finder" to get (POSIX path of (target of front window as alias)) Although dropping onto the desktop while other windows are open might give you the wrong result and if the drag target is still in the background when you make the drop you're in trouble as well. Terry... From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 17:47:20 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:47:20 -0800 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with Scott for Cheetah 3D I have used it for a couple years and found the author extremely responsive to questions of any kind. The interface is very intuitive. For anyone (not me) who knows javascript, there are tons of ways to build tools and automate Cheetah. The forum community is usually quite responsive and helpful. On Feb 26, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >>> 3D animation: Blender > > > For Mac 3D modeling, I've gotten into Cheetah3D: > http://www.cheetah3d.com/ > Currently $149 (sometimes on sale for $99) > > I'm a 3D novice, but this has been relatively easy to understand > with a nice > interface and inexpensive. I spent a few hours with Blender and > could not > figure it out. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi Jim Ault Las Vegas From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 26 18:02:26 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:02:26 +0100 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <4B883CCB.2070101@fourthworld.com> References: <4B883CCB.2070101@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <0366CD53-FDBD-4059-B099-7D841A8CDB29@mac.com> i might have an idea for you. Be warned, it's a dirty workaround. and only halfway there. seriously, i'm not fond of it. I tested this: on mousedown set the dragdata["files"] to "/Users/bvg/Desktop/GreeceMap.jpg" end mousedown Note that the file does exist. But, when I start a drag from that button, the file will be _duplicated_ in the finder wherever I drop it, including proper renaming (when dropped onto the desktop, a file "greeceMap 2. jpg" is created). Note that other OSes might behave differently (might depend on the dragAction?). However, there is no easy way to actually know _where_ the user dropped the file, as you noticed. So what you can do is this: The user selects the files for download, and then you download the file into a temporary hidden location (eg. temp folder), and then, when you're finished downloading you let the user start a drag action, while setting your dragdata["files"] to the temp files. Another Idea i just had when rereading my post: all files in mac os have a unique id, independent of name and place in the folder hierarchy. I think there's command line and other ways (applescript) to query that id. you could let the user drag a fake file of which you _know_ the id, then find out where it's now at in the finder... that'd actually work! No idea how to querry the id tho. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From jef.jansen at telenet.be Fri Feb 26 18:28:09 2010 From: jef.jansen at telenet.be (Jef Jansen) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:28:09 +0100 Subject: OT: Any recommendations for some Mac OS x Apps? In-Reply-To: <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> References: <00000CE7.4B88093F@matthias.is-a-guru.com> <4B881F7F.9040307@gmail.com> <4B882396.301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <64C04D66-A5DF-4FC6-B96C-B41328F2A8BE@telenet.be> Op 26-feb-10, om 20:40 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> 3D animation: Blender >> not that I've ever used it; it sits on my computer as a "must have" > > Forgot about that, I need to pick up a copy. It's supposed to be > very good, but I hear it has a learning curve from hell, so I > haven't tackled it yet. ok, not easy to learn. But a program with great potential, enormous possibilities. The new version 2.5 will be another big step forward. Really worth to get the hang. I used the program since version 2.37 and still I am always amazed by the possibilities. Are there easy 3D programs ? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Fri Feb 26 18:43:36 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:43:36 -0800 Subject: Embedded Images in Fields Message-ID: How does one go about embedding images in a text field. I want to create a help file in one of my solutions with some screen snaps in it. I want to do like the Resource Center text field does. Is there a sample or tutorial somewhere? Thanks in advance. 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If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 26 18:48:05 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:48:05 +0100 Subject: Embedded Images in Fields In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E7B5BBC-9E41-4287-8068-11345B397551@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Stewart, Just add an extra character to your field and set the imagesource of that character to the id of the image: set the imagesource of char 500 of field "You Field" to 15002 -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 27 feb 2010, om 00:43 heeft RevList het volgende geschreven: > How does one go about embedding images in a text field. > I want to create a help file in one of my solutions with some screen > snaps > in it. > I want to do like the Resource Center text field does. > > Is there a sample or tutorial somewhere? > > Thanks in advance. > Stewart From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 18:49:23 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:49:23 +0100 Subject: Embedded Images in Fields In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64bda6471002261549u2eb8b24jdfff9b9d2879d1ff@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/27 RevList : > How does one go about embedding images in a text field. > I want to create a help file in one of my solutions with some screen snaps > in it. > I want to do like the Resource Center text field does. > > Is there a sample or tutorial somewhere? > > Thanks in advance. > Stewart Hi Stewart, Search for the keyword "imageSource" on your Rev Dictionary and you will understand how its works ;) HTH -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From cubist at aol.com Fri Feb 26 19:00:57 2010 From: cubist at aol.com (cubist at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:00:57 -0500 Subject: dropping to the Finder In-Reply-To: <20100226232453.728CB28881F@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100226232453.728CB28881F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8CC855712E2B213-5738-260B@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> Possible solution/workaround for dragging stuff directly to the Finder: Use 'scaffolding' --some sort of tiny (like, 1-byte), invisible file with an exotic/unique name, which has no use in and of itself, but exists to provide a useful side-effect. Drag your 'scaffolding' file to the destination normally. When the 'scaffolding' file is dropped, get its filepath from the Finder; schlep all the *real* files to that location; and (silently) delete the 'scaffolding' file. The big question here is, how to stage-manage the process so that the user is never aware of the 'scaffolding' file and thinks it all Just Works... ANTHRO fantasy and science fiction: It's furry. It's the *good* stuff. Always free online: http://anthrozine.com Offline: ANTHROlogy One ( http://www.lulu.com/content/536807 ) THE HUMAN MEMOIRS ( http://www.lulu.com/content/541536 ), etc From mickclns at mac.com Fri Feb 26 19:02:57 2010 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:02:57 -0500 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <163796383664338082284386108348929803187-Webmail@me.com> References: <163796383664338082284386108348929803187-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <92145288951387711387821846175703597362-Webmail@me.com> Mike, 'scool, thanks. Brian, I agree, great project for math and coding. Sometimes it's an enlightening exercise to take an existing capability and code it oneself or to extend it. For instance, I have written routines to do "infinite" precision integer arithmetic (working on an "infinite" precision calculator), to do a sortof baseConvert, but which will accept decimals or fractions and bases larger than 36, intermediately large (10^12+) prime factorization and at one time in I wrote some routines to mimic trig functions. As far as sqrt, back in the old days when I was in high school, we learned to extract those by hand ... you, too? >From: Michael Kann >Subject: Re: Project Euler >To: How to use Revolution >Message-ID: <327364.51145.qm at web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Mick, > >You beat me to it on the Fibonacci series. I also thought about using the golden ratio. Using a few other relationships allows one to compose a rather compact script. > >1. the F numbers are always odd odd even, odd odd even >is >--- before four million > >2. F1 + F2 + F3 . . . Fn = F(n+2)- 1 > >--- this allows you to do the summation at the end >--- If you know Fn then you just go up a couple more >--- numbers to get the sum of the first n numbers > >3. If you stop the summation at F(even) then the sum of > the even numbers will be 1/2 of the total sum > >-- 1,1,TWO,3,5,EIGHT,13,21,THIRTY-FOUR >-- The two numbers sum to the EVENS (by definition) > >----Here's the script -- 555 is just any large number > >on mouseUp >put (1+ sqrt(5))/2 into g >repeat with n = 0 to 555 step 3 > if (g^n)/sqrt(5) > 4E6 then exit repeat >end repeat >put (round((g^(n-1))/sqrt(5)) - 1) / 2 >end mouseUp >------------------------------------- >The golden ratio technique is most valuable if you want to hit a very large F number. You don't have to count up to it. It is like random access memory. > > > >Here's another interesting property of a F series: > >1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 > >Take the square of 8 -- 64. It is off by one from the product 5*13. That holds for any 3 numbers in a row. Sometimes the square is one more than the products of its neighbors, sometimes one less: but always one off. > > ********************************************** >Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:27:38 -0500 >From: Brian Yennie >Subject: Re: Project Euler >To: How to use Revolution >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Good stuff! I particularly like this project, because it allows for a combination of clever coding AND pure math. The best problems surely require both. It also depends what "level" of computation you force yourself to contain in you code. For example, Rev has a sqrt() function, but what if you had to write this code without that function built in? Would that lead to a whole different approach? Is it ok to use known formulas, or does your code have to derive them itself? Etc. > >With that said, it would be pretty darn cool if we got a near-complete set of solutions all written in Rev... what a nice reference for tight mathematical coding. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:12:15 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:12:15 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <4B87D8FE.5070305@fourthworld.com> References: <4B87D8FE.5070305@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <64bda6471002261612s571da1ebka5bdd797d79c22ff@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/26 Richard Gaskin : > FWIW, here's a a function I pulled out of my archives which is a sort of > variant of Cal in native RevTalk, making a single month from a date passed > to it. ?I'll leave it as an exercise to the user to make a year out of it if > needed. > > One of the nice things about RevTalk is that the weekDayNames and monthNames > functions return values in the current system's local language, so this is > localized without having to do anything. I confess that I have missed these two valuables functions. > Interestingly, without the overhead involved in going to shell it's about 20 > times faster on my machine than calling shell("cal"). It's instant on my machine. So with your script I could back in time? 8-) However as far I have understood it seems that the property useSystemDate set to true is necessary to obtain values according with the local language. Plus, a second difficulty exists: the week don't starts necessary a Sunday but a Monday. So I try to improve the Richard's solution like this: function Cal pDate, pFirstDayWeek set useSystemDate to true ?-- Returns a plain-text calendar representation of ?-- the month the date specified in pDate is in. ?-- If no month is provided it uses the current ?-- month. Month and day names use the user's current ?-- system settings. ?-- ?-- Use current date as default: if pDate is empty then put the date into pDate if pFirstDayWeek is empty then put "Sunday" into pFirstDayWeek ?-- Verify date is valid: ?convert pDate to dateitems ?if the result is not empty then return "Error: "& the result ?-- ?put empty into tCal ?-- ?-- Make month/year header: put item 1 of pDate into tYear put item 2 of pDate into tMonthNumber put line (tMonthNumber) of the monthNames into tMonth put tMonth && tYear into tHeader ?-- Center it: ?repeat for ( (20 - len(tHeader)) div 2) ? ?put " " after tCal ?end repeat ?put tHeader &cr after tCal ?-- ?-- Make day names header: ?put weekdayNamesList(pFirstDayWeek) into tWeekdayNames ?repeat for each line tDay in tWeekdayNames ? ?put char 1 to 2 of tDay &" " after tCal ?end repeat ?put cr after tCal ?-- ?-- Pad beginning with empty days: put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,1) into tStartDay -- create a date in the system's local language convert tStartDay to dateitems if (pFirstDayWeek is "Monday") then repeat for (last item of tStartDay - 2) ? ?put " " after tCal ?end repeat else ?repeat for (last item of tStartDay - 1) ? ?put " ? " after tCal ?end repeat end if put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,1) into tStartDay -- create a date in the system's local language ?-- Walk through 31 days, stopping when we reach a ?-- number not valid for the month we're doing: ?repeat with i = 1 to dayOf(addToDate(tStartDay,0,1,-1)) -- the end value is the number of days in the month. To obtain the last date of a month, add 1 month and subtract one -- day to the first day of a month ? ?-- Get day number: put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,i) into tDate convert tDate to dateitems if the result is not empty then exit repeat put item 3 of tDate into tDayNum ? ?-- ? ?-- Pad it and add it: if len(i) = 1 then put " " before i put i &" " after tCal ? ?-- ? ?-- Go to next line if we're at the end of the week: if last item of tDate = lastDayOfWeek(pFirstDayWeek) then put cr after tCal ?end repeat ?-- ?-- Pad empty lines at end for uniform appearance ?-- when using multiple calendars in a field: ?repeat for (8-the number of lines of tCal) ? ?put cr after tCal ?end repeat ?-- ?-- Send it to the caller: ?return tCal end Cal function weekdayNamesList pFirstDay set useSystemDate to true put the abbr weekdayNames into tWeekdayNames if pFirstDay is "Monday" then put cr&first line of tWeekdayNames after tWeekdayNames delete first line of tWeekdayNames end if return tWeekdayNames end weekdayNamesList function lastDayOfWeek pFirstDay if pFirstDay is "Monday" then return 1 else return 7 end if end lastDayOfWeek function firstDayInMonth pStartDate -- Return the first day in a month set useSystemDate to true convert pStartDate to dateitems put 1 into item 3 of pStartDate convert pStartDate to short date return pStartDate end firstDayInMonth function createDate pTheYear,pTheMonth,pTheDay local tDateItems set useSystemDate to true put pTheYear,pTheMonth,pTheDay,0,0,0,0 into tDateItems convert tDateItems from dateItems to short date return tDateItems end createDate function addToDate pStartDate,pAddToYear,pAddToMonth,pAddToDay -- Allows you to manipulate a date in a single pass set useSystemDate to true convert pStartDate to dateitems add pAddToYear to item 1 of pStartDate add pAddToMonth to item 2 of pStartDate add pAddToDay to item 3 of pStartDate convert pStartDate to short date return pStartDate end addToDate function dayOf pStartDate set useSystemDate to true convert pStartDate to dateitems return item 3 of pStartDate end dayOf If some members of the list could validate this script in their own language? 8-) -> If your weeks starts a Monday call the function like this: set useSystemDate to true put cal(the date,"Monday") into fld "myField" -> If your weeks starts a Sunday simply use: set useSystemDate to true put cal() into fld "myField" Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:16:25 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:16:25 -0600 Subject: substack positioning Message-ID: Hello folks, I'm trying a new approach in what will be a somewhat complex U.I. development, where I would like to use a main stack similar in fashion to the rev tools pallet. From the main stack the user will be able to open various sub stacks, each of which I want to open to the right side of the main stack. I'm getting the topRight position of my main stack without any problem, but haven't yet found a way to align the sub stack without it overlapping the main stack just a bit (5-10 pixels roughly). For example, if the topRight position returns 10,20 I need to set the topLeft of the sub stack to say 20,20 I guess what I'm missing is... based on the location of the main stack, how do I set or adjust the topLeft position in my sub stack(s) in order to avoid the overlap? Best regards, David C. From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 26 19:16:46 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:16:46 -0800 Subject: Embedded Images in Fields In-Reply-To: <4E7B5BBC-9E41-4287-8068-11345B397551@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4E7B5BBC-9E41-4287-8068-11345B397551@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <40B39EC8-0030-40E3-9CFA-881487A1AF14@twft.com> Whoa Nelly! I wonder how that would work for Data Grid tables? Bob On Feb 26, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Stewart, > > Just add an extra character to your field and set the imagesource of that character to the id of the image: > > set the imagesource of char 500 of field "You Field" to 15002 > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. > > Op 27 feb 2010, om 00:43 heeft RevList het volgende geschreven: > >> How does one go about embedding images in a text field. >> I want to create a help file in one of my solutions with some screen snaps >> in it. >> I want to do like the Resource Center text field does. >> >> Is there a sample or tutorial somewhere? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 26 19:27:17 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:27:17 -0800 Subject: substack positioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40355B8D-A5CE-4A1C-9B8C-E631B9D56CCB@twft.com> That's odd. It should be precise. I get no overlap whatsoever. I wonder if the Showborders property of the stack is set to true? Bob On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:16 PM, David Coker wrote: > Hello folks, > I'm trying a new approach in what will be a somewhat complex U.I. > development, where I would like to use a main stack similar in fashion > to the rev tools pallet. From the main stack the user will be able to > open various sub stacks, each of which I want to open to the right > side of the main stack. > > I'm getting the topRight position of my main stack without any > problem, but haven't yet found a way to align the sub stack without it > overlapping the main stack just a bit (5-10 pixels roughly). For > example, if the topRight position returns 10,20 I need to set the > topLeft of the sub stack to say 20,20 > > I guess what I'm missing is... based on the location of the main > stack, how do I set or adjust the topLeft position in my sub stack(s) > in order to avoid the overlap? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 26 19:28:34 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:28:34 -0800 Subject: substack positioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F0F577E-E860-4E8F-AA1F-C79DE4F78633@twft.com> Whoops! Belay my last! There's no such property for a stack. Bob On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:16 PM, David Coker wrote: > Hello folks, > I'm trying a new approach in what will be a somewhat complex U.I. > development, where I would like to use a main stack similar in fashion > to the rev tools pallet. From the main stack the user will be able to > open various sub stacks, each of which I want to open to the right > side of the main stack. > > I'm getting the topRight position of my main stack without any > problem, but haven't yet found a way to align the sub stack without it > overlapping the main stack just a bit (5-10 pixels roughly). For > example, if the topRight position returns 10,20 I need to set the > topLeft of the sub stack to say 20,20 > > I guess what I'm missing is... based on the location of the main > stack, how do I set or adjust the topLeft position in my sub stack(s) > in order to avoid the overlap? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri Feb 26 19:31:36 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:31:36 -0800 Subject: substack positioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D9A7AC3-0404-4647-86AA-E03FCE7A88E3@twft.com> put the topright of stack "theMainStack" into theNewPos -- whatever it's name is add 10 to item one of theNewPos -- seems you are trying to tile them? add 5 to item 2 of theNewPos -- or whatever you want your margin to be set the topLeft of stack "theSubStack" to theNewPos -- whatever IT'S name is Bob On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:16 PM, David Coker wrote: > I guess what I'm missing is... based on the location of the main > stack, how do I set or adjust the topLeft position in my sub stack(s) > in order to avoid the overlap? From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:33:31 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:33:31 -0600 Subject: substack positioning In-Reply-To: <40355B8D-A5CE-4A1C-9B8C-E631B9D56CCB@twft.com> References: <40355B8D-A5CE-4A1C-9B8C-E631B9D56CCB@twft.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > That's odd. It should be precise. I get no overlap whatsoever. I wonder if the Showborders property of the stack is set to true? I just checked and the Showborders property definitely is showing to be false. What seems strange is that I've tossed in a couple of "answer" messages to display the positioning for both items respectively and they match up exactly, position wise. I'm developing on Windows Vista, so it probably has something to do with the border themes in Vista. -David C. From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:40:08 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:40:08 -0600 Subject: substack positioning In-Reply-To: <2D9A7AC3-0404-4647-86AA-E03FCE7A88E3@twft.com> References: <2D9A7AC3-0404-4647-86AA-E03FCE7A88E3@twft.com> Message-ID: >>add 10 to item one of theNewPos That's perfect! Well, actually 15 in this case, but the method of addressing each individual position property is exactly what I was missing. Thank you so much, kind sir! -David C. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 20:28:33 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:28:33 -0800 Subject: dropping to the Finder Message-ID: <4B887541.1060105@fourthworld.com> cubist wrote: > Possible solution/workaround for dragging stuff directly to > the Finder: Use 'scaffolding' --some sort of tiny (like, > 1-byte), invisible file with an exotic/unique name, which > has no use in and of itself, but exists to provide a useful > side-effect. Drag your 'scaffolding' file to the destination > normally. When the 'scaffolding' file is dropped, get its > filepath from the Finder; schlep all the *real* files to that > location; and (silently) delete the 'scaffolding' file. > The big question here is, how to stage-manage the process so > that the user is never aware of the 'scaffolding' file and > thinks it all > Just Works... With the tempName function making and moving the file would be a snap, and snappy. I think the truly hard part is where you write, "get its filepath from the Finder".... Hmmm... Actually, since a newly-dropped file becomes the Finder selection, that wouldn't be too hard at all with a line of AppleScript. Now to figure out how I get that info on Win and Linux.... And Bj?rnke, thanks for the tip about the file ID. I'd forgotten about that. May come in handy if all else fails and I need to look at writing an external for this. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 26 20:52:02 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:52:02 -0800 Subject: HTML and character entities in RSS Message-ID: <4B887AC2.6020108@fourthworld.com> Looking for standards among RSS feeds is like looking for standards in Windows GUI designs: everyone knows they're published somewhere, but no one takes the time to read 'em. ;) I've been parsing a bunch of RSS files, and man, what a wild west of weirdness it is. For example, most of the RSS specs I've read suggest that all data is plan text, with HTML allowable only when marked as CDATA. But I've seen feeds that do that backwards, and some that have some strings containing character entities flagged as CDATA with other containing entities that aren't flagged -- in the same feed! By what rule should I know when to translate data from character entities back to plain old ASCII? Browsers seem to handle the mish-mash rather well; wish I were as graceful at handling all the inconsistencies I'm finding. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 21:14:00 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:14:00 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <3590E035-243B-4ADC-839E-818BF5198B11@inria.fr> References: <66C6831A-7665-4525-8B78-8467B912C09A@earthlink.net> <3590E035-243B-4ADC-839E-818BF5198B11@inria.fr> Message-ID: <64bda6471002261814q74001eedk890c1ae7a0c9cf1a@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/26 Andre.Bisseret : > Thank you much Bob for this nice calendar. > Also, thanks to the others who added comments, results of trials and > elaborated. > I was not waiting for such a "rush" on this topic ;-)) > > However, my problem is not solved with this kind of layout. Mostly I need > that the user be able to highlight periods of the year. > For example periods when a holidays' house has been rented (or is plan to be > rented). > > With the present layout that can't be done. One can't drag (in order to > highlight) ?from jan. 2 to jan 9 for example, or from jan. 30 to feb 6 etc > > That why I am looking for an annual calendar with 12 rows/lines, one for > each month ( or might be 12 columns). > Andr?, if you need some examples have a look to the lab experiment 009 http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68:experiment-009-playing-with-the-david-becks-calendar-lib&catid=35:lab&Itemid=53 HTH, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 21:21:25 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:21:25 +0800 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > All things are a matter of degree. Carrying anything to its reductio ad > absurdam > will show its silly side. Richmond, there was nothing absurd about my son's example, it was a real life situation. The other example was hyperthetical, but I said 'might die', not that they did. > What I learnt is that, if at all possible, one should not let personal > problems get in the way; But that is not what you wrote. I believe it was you who capitalized the never, multiple times, in your post, not your professor. But this is all beating around in circles. What I think I really found objectionable about your post was that you were fully aware that Kevin had suffered the loss of two family* members and therefore if you consider my sons' story reductio ad absurdam, then how could you possibly type out a sentence suggesting personal problems should NEVER NEVER interfere, and then, as if to rub salt into the wound, compare it to turning up to work with the flu and a cup of Lemsip. Sorry, I just found it ALL VERY INSENSITIVE. * I don't actually know how many employees work for RunRev, but I'm guessing there are less of them than in my own family, so in such a small work environment, I consider that everyone at RunRev was deeply effected by the passing of Bill Marriott to the extent that it was similar to the death of a relative. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 21:28:52 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:28:52 +0800 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Richmond, I have since caught up with some other List posts and see that you have apologised to Kevin. There was no need for this extra post of mine. As you said, on both a professional and personal level, lets hope the rest of 2010 brings about an improvement over earlier events. All the best. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: >> >> All things are a matter of degree. Carrying anything to its reductio ad >> absurdam >> will show its silly side. > > Richmond, there was nothing absurd about my son's example, it was a > real life situation. The other example was hyperthetical, but I said > 'might die', not that they did. > > >> What I learnt is that, if at all possible, one should not let personal >> problems get in the way; > > But that is not what you wrote. I believe it was you who capitalized > the never, multiple times, in your post, not your professor. > > But this is all beating around in circles. What I think I really found > objectionable about your post was that you were fully aware that Kevin > had suffered the loss of two family* members and therefore if you > consider my sons' story reductio ad absurdam, then how could you > possibly type out a sentence suggesting personal problems should NEVER > NEVER interfere, and then, as if to rub salt into the wound, compare > it to turning up to work with the flu and a cup of Lemsip. > > Sorry, I just found it ALL VERY INSENSITIVE. > > * I don't actually know how many employees work for RunRev, but I'm > guessing there are less of them than in my own family, so in such a > small work environment, I consider that everyone at RunRev was deeply > effected by the passing of Bill Marriott to the extent that it was > similar to the death of a relative. > From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 22:27:08 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:27:08 -0500 Subject: HTML and character entities in RSS In-Reply-To: <4B887AC2.6020108@fourthworld.com> References: <4B887AC2.6020108@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <093BDBDA-A68B-4B4C-BF44-91291171B161@gmail.com> On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Looking for standards among RSS feeds is like looking for standards > in Windows GUI designs: everyone knows they're published somewhere, > but no one takes the time to read 'em. ;) "The great thing about standards in computing is that there are so many of them." -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 27 03:12:18 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:12:18 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > lets hope the > rest of 2010 brings about an improvement over earlier events. I have fired up my time warp stack, scooted ahead a small amount -- which was no mean trick because the controls are pretty coarse still -- and caught a fleeting glimpse as I zoomed by the end of 2020. Rev is changing the world. Tots are creating games with it instead of finger painting on posterboard, and high school kids are doing Rev-based science fair projects. Industry is using it for all sorts of mechanical controls, and General Mills automatically drip-feeds plants in hydroponic tanks using a Rev-based monitoring system. Tractors have it in their dashboards. Toyota adopted it for quality control testing and their stock recovered, though their aircars still need some minor stabilization. Someone will write a Rev-powered Way Back machine and we nearly collided. It sort of looked like me though. The future is bright. But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 03:16:27 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:16:27 +1000 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > The future is bright. But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put > them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. And why does only one of each pair disappear? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 27 03:18:31 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:18:31 -0600 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B88D557.9040309@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> The future is bright. But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put >> them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. > > And why does only one of each pair disappear? I bet if we compared socks, you'd have one of mine and I'd have yours. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 03:37:53 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:37:53 +0200 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B88D9E1.8010606@gmail.com> On 27/02/2010 04:21, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: > >> All things are a matter of degree. Carrying anything to its reductio ad >> absurdam >> will show its silly side. >> > Richmond, there was nothing absurd about my son's example, it was a > real life situation. The other example was hyperthetical, but I said > 'might die', not that they did. > > > I did not consider your son's example absurd. What I did point out is that in any situation there are exceptions; and the more extreme (and your son's situation, cut it which way you like, was extreme) the situation the more likely general rules are going to get broken. reductio ad absurdam is a Philosophical concept which means pushing an example to its limits to test its validity: almost all arguments/rules get shakey when they are pushed to their limits. >> What I learnt is that, if at all possible, one should not let personal >> problems get in the way; >> > But that is not what you wrote. I believe it was you who capitalized > the never, multiple times, in your post, not your professor. > My professor wrote me a warning letter after I was 5 minutes late to a graduate assistants' meeting (delayed by the fact that my wife, another graduate student, had been delayed elsewhere and had to get back to take over the baby from me) with far more capitalised letters than I used in my e-mailing. I went to the head of department and said that I thought her letter was "a bit off" and was given a long lecture on professional roles and commitments. I subsequently thought about those events quite carefully . . . > But this is all beating around in circles. What I think I really found > objectionable about your post was that you were fully aware that Kevin > had suffered the loss of two family* members and therefore if you > consider my sons' story reductio ad absurdam, then how could you > possibly type out a sentence suggesting personal problems should NEVER > NEVER interfere, and then, as if to rub salt into the wound, compare > it to turning up to work with the flu and a cup of Lemsip. > > Sorry, I just found it ALL VERY INSENSITIVE. > You don't have to write "Sorry" because there is nothing to apologise for. I understand your position loud and clear. What I also understand is that the American "business model", if that is the right term for this, while being fairly insensitive and crude has resulted in far more efficient businesses and institutions than are found, on the whole, in Britain. British institutions creak along; this is the main reason why Germany, despite being pounded to bits in the 2nd world war managed to pull itself together considerably quicker than Britain did. Here in Bulgaria, where "oriental business culture" rules everything is so family centred that ridiculous situations are of the reverse type: "I couldn't come to the business meeting because my Mother told me last night it gave her everlasting joy to be brought a cup of tea in bed by her son - so I had to do that before I cam to the meeting." Most of the institutions here are moribund. > * I don't actually know how many employees work for RunRev, but I'm > guessing there are less of them than in my own family, so in such a > small work environment, I consider that everyone at RunRev was deeply > effected by the passing of Bill Marriott to the extent that it was > similar to the death of a relative. > _______________________________________________ > > I understand extremely clearly that RunRev have been hit very, very hard indeed, twice in short order. And I, sincerely, hope that they will all be able to mourn and heal in a constructive fashion. The thrust of my postings was not to take cheap swipes at RunRev's sadnesses; but to TRY to point out that: Personal problems should, ideally, be covered up - it protects both those affected and the business/institution. sincerely, Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 03:40:34 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:40:34 +0200 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B88D557.9040309@hyperactivesw.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> <4B88D557.9040309@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B88DA82.1040702@gmail.com> On 27/02/2010 10:18, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: >>> The future is bright. But I still couldn't see where socks go after >>> you put >>> them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. >> >> And why does only one of each pair disappear? > > I bet if we compared socks, you'd have one of mine and I'd have yours. > What is considerably more worrying is why when one puts the washing-machine on the Hot-White cycle by mistake only one of a pair of socks changes colour. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 04:06:38 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:06:38 +0800 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Toyota adopted it > for quality control testing and their stock recovered, And were the recipients of the 2020 Bill Marriott Trophy for Quality par Excellence, the highly coveted RunRev sponsored award. From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 27 04:09:08 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:09:08 +0100 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacque and All, As you, for sure, know too, there are lots of world-class companies that are using Rev but, for yet, they don't want to communicate about this ! Why ? Revolution is the environment of development which allows scientists and researchers of very high level to elaborate their own workflow without having to pass by caudines forks of their IT departments. Every time, that a physicist, a bilogiste, a chemist, a doctor or a psychologist cannot be any more listened as high as his waits(expectations) by a hard line computer specialist, he puts his co- workers in the work and, sometimes an outside consultant, so that a solution is found, thanks to Revolution. Hundred years ago, no safety(salute) outside the horse-drawn carriage and tomorrow our cars will be electric and tomorrow even, as you say it so well, the programming will have become an art and the right way to go with general dev tasks. We, of Edimburg up to all the community of Rev developers, us all share the adventure of the precursors and the discoverers and it is so much the better. 2020 is not so far:-D As an example, EADS Astrium Transportation (Ariane rockets) is using Rev. Telling more is not allowed (NDA)... Friendly yours, Pierre Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 09:12, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > Kay C Lan wrote: >> lets hope the >> rest of 2010 brings about an improvement over earlier events. > > I have fired up my time warp stack, scooted ahead a small amount -- > which was no mean trick because the controls are pretty coarse still > -- and caught a fleeting glimpse as I zoomed by the end of 2020. Rev > is changing the world. Tots are creating games with it instead of > finger painting on posterboard, and high school kids are doing Rev- > based science fair projects. Industry is using it for all sorts of > mechanical controls, and General Mills automatically drip-feeds > plants in hydroponic tanks using a Rev-based monitoring system. > Tractors have it in their dashboards. Toyota adopted it for quality > control testing and their stock recovered, though their aircars > still need some minor stabilization. Someone will write a Rev- > powered Way Back machine and we nearly collided. It sort of looked > like me though. > > The future is bright. But I still couldn't see where socks go after > you put them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 04:15:15 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:15:15 +0800 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put > them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. > Oh, that's easy, they migrate to boys boarding schools. Every time my boys come back home they have innumerable single socks that they've never owned before. I believe I'm fairly successful in returning them to their rightful owners because most of them disappear after I've washed and dried them several time;-) From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 27 04:13:31 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:13:31 +0100 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <8AA42C47-6941-470B-B250-56882A5DF497@free.fr> Add my vote to this proposal. Pierre Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 10:06, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: >> Toyota adopted it >> for quality control testing and their stock recovered, > > And were the recipients of the 2020 Bill Marriott Trophy for Quality > par Excellence, the highly coveted RunRev sponsored award. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 04:43:17 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:43:17 +0000 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a11002261015u31a3293cu34d9d80708cc5bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Marcio Alexandroni wrote: > The applications runs pure TCP/IP with a custom protocol to exchange data > and it handles dozens of simultaneous calls at the same time, this is why it > must be multithreaded, the queuing will not work in this case because of the > time it would need to respond to the last caller. Hello Marcio, your fellow Brazilian is one of the experts on rev-built http servers, so I'm sure he'll answer your question in detail soon. However, whilst he's sleeping, let me just point you to this mechanism: http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/insead/index_en.html . Pierre used that mechanism deployed (I believe) to the French Ministry of Education, and it was a system used by students across France. Since you need raw TCP/IP it doesn't sound like it will meet your needs. Whilst Rev is not multi-threaded, can I just ask if you are using the following format in your code: accept [datagram] connections on port number with message callbackMessage If so, then elsewhere in your code you may be able use the following structure at places where you can accept potential interruptions: wait 10 milliseconds with messages When an existing connection's processing gets temporarily suspended by the "wait", it means that a new connection can be accepted and processing for that new connection can begin. These two together can provide a kind of message-passing concurrency. For example, that is similar to the way that 'concurrent' processing is done in Tcl (http://www.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/papers/threads.pdf) , Regards, Bernard From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 05:00:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:00:46 +0200 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4B88ED4E.8080407@gmail.com> On 27/02/2010 11:15, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > >> But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put >> them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. >> >> > Oh, that's easy, they migrate to boys boarding schools. Every time my > boys come back home they have innumerable single socks that they've > never owned before. I believe I'm fairly successful in returning them > to their rightful owners because most of them disappear after I've > washed and dried them several time;-) > > http://www.jjcash.co.uk/shop/nametapes/woven-sew-on-name-labels/ From david.bovill at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 06:00:14 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:00:14 +0000 Subject: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application In-Reply-To: <1267213867004-1571234.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1264302257071-1288518.post@n4.nabble.com> <65A8AA2D-20BC-4C1C-8DAD-479ED1D0DD8F@mac.com> <1266848967310-1564499.post@n4.nabble.com> <1267213867004-1571234.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'm happy to release the code as open source for this - seems appropriate to the project as well. I just need to think how to pull a few things together - so I don't take on too many disparate projects. It seems a good base for the open source repository work I've done - there also seems a good overlap with Andre's Linux Distro? On 26 February 2010 19:51, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi David, > > > David Bovill-3 wrote: > > > > Keep us in touch - going to think what would be useful.... > > > > Remember that, for this project, we could contribute > Password protected libraries, for specific functions or > features. In this way, your code is protected but still > available for use in this project. > > Many thanks for your help! > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1571234.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david.bovill at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 06:15:25 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:15:25 +0000 Subject: HTTP DELETE In-Reply-To: <23094C4A-2E84-4912-AE65-39820001323A@yahoo.com> References: <353821.40546.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7c87a2a11002261017l449b3761x3e87050a707b9467@mail.gmail.com> <23094C4A-2E84-4912-AE65-39820001323A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 26 February 2010 20:42, Jim Ault wrote: > You could build a utility CGI to delete files on a server in irev, revcgi, > or php, pearl, and not have to worry about authorization. > It is a by now essential part of a range of REST based web services - for instance in the Google API's if you want to delete a ceel or a row in a spredsheet you issue and http DELETE not a GET or a PUT. Unfortunately Google would not let me program Rev CGI's on their servers - though I am hoping this will change. From marcio at cialogica.com.br Sat Feb 27 06:17:05 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:17:05 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bernard, Thanks very much for your suggestions. I've been reading about Rev and CGI, but I read on rev Forums that the necessary standalone engine necessary for the cgi-bin support is available only on Rev <= 3.5, the new versions do not have the standalone engine anymore. Do you know if it's true? On the other side, I'll test your suggestion on waiting with messages where it could take longer to answer, I'll do it right now. Regards, Marcio Alexandroni ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 Skype: marcioalexandroni Brazil -- > From: Bernard Devlin > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:43:17 +0000 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Marcio Alexandroni > wrote: >> The applications runs pure TCP/IP with a custom protocol to exchange data >> and it handles dozens of simultaneous calls at the same time, this is why it >> must be multithreaded, the queuing will not work in this case because of the >> time it would need to respond to the last caller. > > Hello Marcio, your fellow Brazilian is one of the experts on rev-built > http servers, so I'm sure he'll answer your question in detail soon. > > However, whilst he's sleeping, let me just point you to this > mechanism: http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/insead/index_en.html . > Pierre used that mechanism deployed (I believe) to the French Ministry > of Education, and it was a system used by students across France. > Since you need raw TCP/IP it doesn't sound like it will meet your > needs. > > Whilst Rev is not multi-threaded, can I just ask if you are using the > following format in your code: > > accept [datagram] connections on port number with message callbackMessage > > If so, then elsewhere in your code you may be able use the following > structure at places where you can accept potential interruptions: > > wait 10 milliseconds with messages > > When an existing connection's processing gets temporarily suspended by > the "wait", it means that a new connection can be accepted and > processing for that new connection can begin. > > These two together can provide a kind of message-passing concurrency. > For example, that is similar to the way that 'concurrent' processing > is done in Tcl (http://www.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/papers/threads.pdf) > , > > Regards, > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 06:24:53 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:24:53 -0800 Subject: HTML and character entities in RSS In-Reply-To: <093BDBDA-A68B-4B4C-BF44-91291171B161@gmail.com> References: <4B887AC2.6020108@fourthworld.com> <093BDBDA-A68B-4B4C-BF44-91291171B161@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F162A4F-1C02-4C82-9FCE-D76C774863D1@yahoo.com> On Feb 26, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Looking for standards among RSS feeds is like looking for standards >> in Windows GUI designs: everyone knows they're published >> somewhere, but no one takes the time to read 'em. ;) > > "The great thing about standards in computing is that there are so > many > of them." > > -- Peter and they use the same names. Specs? we don't need no stinkin' specs! Jim Ault Las Vegas From marcio at cialogica.com.br Sat Feb 27 06:31:38 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:31:38 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bernard, I visited the page about the mechanism you pointed, but in that case it has an Apache/PHP server that handles multiple concurrent connections but it ends up passing the request to a Rev application using Sockets that will cause the same queuing on message processing. In fact, the requests to the server are multithreaded but the processing is not, as I could understand. Did I understand it right? Regards, Marcio Alexandroni www.cialogica.com.br ( (11) 9989-8316 marcioalexandroni -- > From: Bernard Devlin > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:43:17 +0000 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Marcio Alexandroni > wrote: >> The applications runs pure TCP/IP with a custom protocol to exchange data >> and it handles dozens of simultaneous calls at the same time, this is why it >> must be multithreaded, the queuing will not work in this case because of the >> time it would need to respond to the last caller. > > Hello Marcio, your fellow Brazilian is one of the experts on rev-built > http servers, so I'm sure he'll answer your question in detail soon. > > However, whilst he's sleeping, let me just point you to this > mechanism: http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/insead/index_en.html . > Pierre used that mechanism deployed (I believe) to the French Ministry > of Education, and it was a system used by students across France. > Since you need raw TCP/IP it doesn't sound like it will meet your > needs. > > Whilst Rev is not multi-threaded, can I just ask if you are using the > following format in your code: > > accept [datagram] connections on port number with message callbackMessage > > If so, then elsewhere in your code you may be able use the following > structure at places where you can accept potential interruptions: > > wait 10 milliseconds with messages > > When an existing connection's processing gets temporarily suspended by > the "wait", it means that a new connection can be accepted and > processing for that new connection can begin. > > These two together can provide a kind of message-passing concurrency. > For example, that is similar to the way that 'concurrent' processing > is done in Tcl (http://www.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/papers/threads.pdf) > , > > Regards, > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 27 07:06:09 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:06:09 +0100 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Marcio, Did you have an eye to the on-rev / irev technology. It's definitively the most usable way to go, from yet. Even if CGI and PHP/Rev Stacks went good underground ways to use, over the 15 past yahrs, the revServer witch will be made public and free available in the forecoming months by RunRev is a very stable et fast running engine from yet. About your multi-threading need, i can't help, for yet, as long as we can't see how the revServer is / is'nt able for yet (it could be, at least with a adapted xinetd config under linux - i did so for metacard/ suse, yahrs ago) to handle multi-thread. Instead of devlopping your own framework first, why would you not try to test your project design in using the on-rev platform ? I use it for my own (two projects up and running, the thirst is on desk) with great satisfaction. Kind regards, P. Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 12:31, Marcio Alexandroni a ?crit : > Hi Bernard, > > I visited the page about the mechanism you pointed, but in that case > it has > an Apache/PHP server that handles multiple concurrent connections > but it > ends up passing the request to a Rev application using Sockets that > will > cause the same queuing on message processing. In fact, the requests > to the > server are multithreaded but the processing is not, as I could > understand. > Did I understand it right? > > Regards, > > Marcio Alexandroni > www.cialogica.com.br > ( (11) 9989-8316 > marcioalexandroni > -- > > > >> From: Bernard Devlin >> Reply-To: How to use Revolution >> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:43:17 +0000 >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server >> >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Marcio Alexandroni >> wrote: >>> The applications runs pure TCP/IP with a custom protocol to >>> exchange data >>> and it handles dozens of simultaneous calls at the same time, this >>> is why it >>> must be multithreaded, the queuing will not work in this case >>> because of the >>> time it would need to respond to the last caller. >> >> Hello Marcio, your fellow Brazilian is one of the experts on rev- >> built >> http servers, so I'm sure he'll answer your question in detail soon. >> >> However, whilst he's sleeping, let me just point you to this >> mechanism: http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/insead/index_en.html . >> Pierre used that mechanism deployed (I believe) to the French >> Ministry >> of Education, and it was a system used by students across France. >> Since you need raw TCP/IP it doesn't sound like it will meet your >> needs. >> >> Whilst Rev is not multi-threaded, can I just ask if you are using the >> following format in your code: >> >> accept [datagram] connections on port number with message >> callbackMessage >> >> If so, then elsewhere in your code you may be able use the following >> structure at places where you can accept potential interruptions: >> >> wait 10 milliseconds with messages >> >> When an existing connection's processing gets temporarily suspended >> by >> the "wait", it means that a new connection can be accepted and >> processing for that new connection can begin. >> >> These two together can provide a kind of message-passing concurrency. >> For example, that is similar to the way that 'concurrent' processing >> is done in Tcl (http://www.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/papers/threads.pdf >> ) >> , >> >> Regards, >> >> Bernard >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 27 07:21:13 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:21:13 +0100 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marcio, Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 12:31, Marcio Alexandroni a ?crit : > I visited the page about the mechanism you pointed, but in that case > it has > an Apache/PHP server that handles multiple concurrent connections > but it > ends up passing the request to a Rev application using Sockets that > will > cause the same queuing on message processing. No under the linux platform if the rev app is launched in root mode without GUI front-end. In this case, each new Apache/PHP request to the rev process launches its own sub-thread witch appears as a separate httpd thread line in the "Top" controller window. In other words, it's not the rev process witch handle the multi-thtrading safty but the HTTPd / xinetd one, just in the same way it works for MySQL, as an other example. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From marcio at cialogica.com.br Sat Feb 27 07:39:33 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:39:33 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Pierre, Thanks for the clarification, I forgot the Linux core forks the process creating other instances of the application, great. What I'm looking for is a way to have an easy-to-install and portable server that I can deploy to Linux, Windows and Mac with the same protocol. Today I have a server written in Delphi, but that I can only deploy to Windows. Today I have a custom protocol built with TCP/IP that I can rewrite for the PDAs when I find the right technology for the server. I just moved to on-rev hosting, so I have access to the irev technology. Do you have any information on what platforms revServer will be available (Linux, Windows, Mac?) and how and if it will integrate with web servers (apache, others?). Your suggestion on irev is great, I'll start testing on my on-rev host and wait for the revServer. Regards, Marcio Alexandroni ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 Skype marcioalexandroni Brasil -- > From: Pierre Sahores > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:21:13 +0100 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server > > Marcio, > > Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 12:31, Marcio Alexandroni a ?crit : > >> I visited the page about the mechanism you pointed, but in that case >> it has >> an Apache/PHP server that handles multiple concurrent connections >> but it >> ends up passing the request to a Rev application using Sockets that >> will >> cause the same queuing on message processing. > > No under the linux platform if the rev app is launched in root mode > without GUI front-end. In this case, each new Apache/PHP request to > the rev process launches its own sub-thread witch appears as a > separate httpd thread line in the "Top" controller window. In other > words, it's not the rev process witch handle the multi-thtrading safty > but the HTTPd / xinetd one, just in the same way it works for MySQL, > as an other example. > > Best Regards, > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 27 08:30:51 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:30:51 +0100 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rebonjour Marcio, > Hi Pierre, > > Thanks for the clarification, I forgot the Linux core forks the > process > creating other instances of the application, great. Always so usefull, in practice ;-) > > What I'm looking for is a way to have an easy-to-install and > portable server > that I can deploy to Linux, Windows and Mac with the same protocol. > Today I > have a server written in Delphi, but that I can only deploy to > Windows. RevServer will feet this need as you expect. > > Today I have a custom protocol built with TCP/IP that I can rewrite > for the > PDAs when I find the right technology for the server. If the PDA part relies on a web browser client and the server part on on-rev, the onest need is to use an authentication model able to suit the PDA while its IP changes, some times minute after minute. If you own such a PDA or iPhone, you can test the way i handle such authentication model in visiting and creating your iDesk acount at "http://www.woooooooords.com ". Be carefull about the fact that the site is'nt in itself yet optimised for mobile device displays, only the authentication one is, at this point. All the server code relies entierly on a .irev lib + js. No AJAX at this point because i wanted to learn all about irev before. > > I just moved to on-rev hosting, so I have access to the irev > technology. Very good tech, full usable in production mode from yet and i hope to deliver my first ASP solution relying on on-rev in the forecoming weeks. > Do > you have any information on what platforms revServer will be available > (Linux, Windows, Mac?) RunRev has decided to make the RevServer available under those three platforms. I would prefer to see each one available after an other (1. Linux, 2. OSX or Windows, 3. the last one of OSX or Windows) in the sense of such a "one delivry after an other" would probably help RunRev to delivry - a strong message to the Linux world n-tier devloppers community - a strong message to the .NET world n-tier devloppers community - a well incremented marketing message about the RunRev "devlop once, deploy anyware" policy > and how and if it will integrate with web servers > (apache, others?). Can tell, at this point. > > Your suggestion on irev is great, I'll start testing on my on-rev > host and > wait for the revServer. You're welcome :D Best Regards, P. > > Regards, > > Marcio Alexandroni > ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 > Skype marcioalexandroni > Brasil > -- > > > >> From: Pierre Sahores >> Reply-To: How to use Revolution >> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:21:13 +0100 >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server >> >> Marcio, >> >> Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 12:31, Marcio Alexandroni a ?crit : >> >>> I visited the page about the mechanism you pointed, but in that case >>> it has >>> an Apache/PHP server that handles multiple concurrent connections >>> but it >>> ends up passing the request to a Rev application using Sockets that >>> will >>> cause the same queuing on message processing. >> >> No under the linux platform if the rev app is launched in root mode >> without GUI front-end. In this case, each new Apache/PHP request to >> the rev process launches its own sub-thread witch appears as a >> separate httpd thread line in the "Top" controller window. In other >> words, it's not the rev process witch handle the multi-thtrading >> safty >> but the HTTPd / xinetd one, just in the same way it works for MySQL, >> as an other example. >> >> Best Regards, >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 09:04:50 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:04:50 +0000 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Marcio Alexandroni wrote: > I've been reading about Rev and CGI, but I read on rev Forums that the > necessary standalone engine necessary for the cgi-bin support is available > only on Rev <= 3.5, the new versions do not have the standalone engine > anymore. Do you know if it's true? > Yes this is true. It is a great pity and I do not find the reasons for this move entirely convincing. If you are a licensed user, it might be possible to get the 3.5 engine from Runrev (actually, I think you just need the RevStudio 3.5 for your platform,and I think the standalone engine is bundled comes in there). There is supposed to be a rev-server released. I had thought it was going to be an apache module to get beyond the problem of any delays with a fork from CGI. However, no information has been forthcoming, and it seems no one outside RunRev knows what was offered and what will actually be delivered, or when. I seem to remember that within on-rev it is not possible to open sockets. I think there was a talk at the Rev2009 conference by BvG who developed the Rev chat server. I am not so interested in on-rev, so I didn't pay that much attention, but I thought he said that sockets could not be opened with on-rev, and that was the reason why he switch to a HTTP based protocol. I'm sure someone else will comment on this soon if I'm mistaken. BTW you still did not mention if you are using sockets and "with message". Unless there is some reason why that will not work, your concerns about threading may prove unnecessary. Bernard From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sat Feb 27 09:08:09 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:08:09 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002261612s571da1ebka5bdd797d79c22ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B87D8FE.5070305@fourthworld.com> <64bda6471002261612s571da1ebka5bdd797d79c22ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29620E51-18DE-482B-88D6-F51608E33C83@inria.fr> Bonjour, 2010/2/26 Richard Gaskin : >> FWIW, here's a a function I pulled out of my archives which is a >> sort of >> variant of Cal in native RevTalk, making a single month from a date >> passed >> to it. I'll leave it as an exercise to the user to make a year out >> of it if >> needed. >> >> One of the nice things about RevTalk is that the weekDayNames and >> monthNames >> functions return values in the current system's local language, so >> this is >> localized without having to do anything. >> Interestingly, without the overhead involved in going to shell it's >> about 20 >> times faster on my machine than calling shell("cal"). Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 01:12, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > > It's instant on my machine. So with your script I could back in > time? 8-) Very fast indeed on my machine too. Thank you much Richard > > However as far I have understood it seems that the property > useSystemDate set to true is necessary to obtain values according with > the local language. > Plus, a second difficulty exists: the week don't starts necessary a > Sunday but a Monday. > > So I try to improve the Richard's solution like this: > ... ... > > If some members of the list could validate this script in their own > language? 8-) > > > -> If your weeks starts a Monday call the function like this: > > set useSystemDate to true > put cal(the date,"Monday") into fld "myField" Works perfectly here ; very fast too > And thanks a lot Zryip for your other recent posts : links to the work of David Beck and to your experiment 009. Sure will give me usefull hints Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From marcio at cialogica.com.br Sat Feb 27 09:11:30 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:11:30 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bernard, Pierre has posted here RevServer may support all the features I need in full. In fact I have moved to the on-rev hosting, so I'll start testing the connection from the PDAs using Sockets from my applications, I think I can rewrite the protocol to use HTTP. I tried your suggestion on "wait with messages" but it causes problems in the message processing, I couldn't find the exact reason, but as the message handler deals with databases and deals with encrypted packages, I think something was not handled quite well when two clients connect at the same time. Again, thanks for your ideas on it. Regards, Marcio Alexandroni www.cialogica.com.br ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 Skype: marcioalexandroni Brasil -- > From: Bernard Devlin > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:04:50 +0000 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Marcio Alexandroni > wrote: >> I've been reading about Rev and CGI, but I read on rev Forums that the >> necessary standalone engine necessary for the cgi-bin support is available >> only on Rev <= 3.5, the new versions do not have the standalone engine >> anymore. Do you know if it's true? >> > > Yes this is true. It is a great pity and I do not find the reasons > for this move entirely convincing. If you are a licensed user, it > might be possible to get the 3.5 engine from Runrev (actually, I think > you just need the RevStudio 3.5 for your platform,and I think the > standalone engine is bundled comes in there). > > There is supposed to be a rev-server released. I had thought it was > going to be an apache module to get beyond the problem of any delays > with a fork from CGI. However, no information has been forthcoming, > and it seems no one outside RunRev knows what was offered and what > will actually be delivered, or when. > > I seem to remember that within on-rev it is not possible to open > sockets. I think there was a talk at the Rev2009 conference by BvG > who developed the Rev chat server. I am not so interested in on-rev, > so I didn't pay that much attention, but I thought he said that > sockets could not be opened with on-rev, and that was the reason why > he switch to a HTTP based protocol. I'm sure someone else will > comment on this soon if I'm mistaken. > > BTW you still did not mention if you are using sockets and "with > message". Unless there is some reason why that will not work, your > concerns about threading may prove unnecessary. > > Bernard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 10:11:18 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:11:18 -0600 Subject: scrolling groups and magic mouse? In-Reply-To: References: <8ea148a01002260638m268e4372h72a3f72037cd7ca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ea148a01002270711j3b67c330g2bd2fa1e6b84dbf5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, I never would have thought that it translated simply as a keypress. +2 -2 gives unusably slow scrolling on my MacBook. +50 -50 is about fast enough (matches fields roughly) but is very jerky. Then the weirdness set in. I tried using this routine to scroll a little bit but more often: on scrollMe x,y set the scroll of me to the scroll of me + y if x > 0 then send "scrollMe" && (x - 1),y to me in 0 ticks end scrollMe In the rawkeydown handler I used this: scrollMe 2,20 So that should have scrolled 20 pixels three times as fast as possible for each time the rawkeydown fires. What I found instead was that it fired just once (scrolling was slow) but then as soon as a I moved the pointer normally, the delayed messages kicked in. It doesn't matter how long I wait; if I scroll down then take my hand off the mouse for ten seconds, then move the mouse slightly, the queued-up scrolling happens then. Out of curiosity I tried calling it like this: send "scrollMe 2,20" to me in 0 ticks Now the group doesn't scroll at all when I swipe, but as soon as I move the mouse (again, doesn't seem to matter how long I wait) all the queued up messages fire and the group scrolls. Anyone have any ideas? gc 2010/2/26 Bj?rnke von Gierke : > In a field put this script, then swipe away: > > on rawkeydown theKey > ? put theKey --a number > ? pass rawkeydown > end rawkeydown > > > in your group do this then swipe away: > > on rawkeydown theKey > ? if thekey = then > ? ? ?set the scroll of me to the scroll of me +2 > ? else if theKey = then > ? ? ?set the scroll of me to the scroll of me -2 > ? end if > ? put the scroll of me > end rawkeydown > > > bjoernke > > ps: 65308,65309 > > > On 26 Feb 2010, at 15:38, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > >> fields seem to respond to swipe-scrolling with the magic mouse just >> fine, but groups with scrollbars don't. Is there a way to fix that? >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 10:15:13 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:15:13 -0600 Subject: To Trevor: DG feature request Message-ID: <963c86eb1002270715o6b145da4i703e76174a6bf154@mail.gmail.com> Trevor, not sure how difficult this would be, but something to consider: DG forms that are horizontal instead of vertical. ;-) Peace! Jeff M. From Camm29 at tesco.net Sat Feb 27 10:37:20 2010 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:37:20 -0000 Subject: All Cards Message-ID: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> I have a fld in each card called "Version" I wish to put "Version 1.x.x" into fld "Version" of each card in the stack Can it be done with one line ? or am I missing something simple ? Best Regards Camm From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sat Feb 27 10:44:03 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:44:03 +0100 Subject: All Cards In-Reply-To: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> References: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> Message-ID: Hi Camm, > I have a fld in each card called "Version" > > I wish to put "Version 1.x.x" into fld "Version" of each card in the stack > > Can it be done with one line ? or am I missing something simple ? 1. you could use ONE grouped field that you could place on all cards, With its "shraedtext" property set to true this is less overhead, since you only have ONE field to maintain. If this fits to your app design, of course. 2. Write a tiny repeat loop to go through all cards and fill the field: ... lock screen repeat with i = 1 to the num of cds if there is a fld "version" then put "Version 1.1.1.1.1" into fld "version of cd i end if end repeat unlock screen ## Will be fast enough for most purposes! ... > Best Regards > > Camm Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 10:57:34 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:57:34 -0800 Subject: All Cards In-Reply-To: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> References: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> Message-ID: Question 1 is the field in a group, or just a different fld ID on each card? Question 2 if the field is in a group, is the group set to 'behave as a background'? Question 3 If the answer to question 2 is yes, then Does turning on the check box "Share Text" do what you want? On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Camm wrote: > I have a fld in each card called "Version" > > I wish to put "Version 1.x.x" into fld "Version" of each card in the > stack > > Can it be done with one line ? or am I missing something simple ? > Jim Ault Las Vegas From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 27 11:04:05 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:04:05 +0100 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Yes, opening your own sockets is not possible with on-rev. If you're not using on-rev: Using "accept ... with message" is the first (and most important) step to get rev handle several connections concurrently. the second step is to always use read/write "with message", because otherwise it'd be blocking. Note that there's nothing in Rev that will make "with message" not work, but there's several traps that you can step into, which will make it not work. Maybe the "wait" command can produce problems, but I almost never use wait, and haven't tested it much. If you have computational heavy tasks to do for every connection (several seconds for each), then you can't do it with a single rev installation. A way around that is to launch command line versions of rev (using the 3.5 cgi engine as command line app), and do calculations there. The command line app then connects to your server and gives back the result that way. This will introduce various other kinds if latencies, and is hugely complex to implement (basically adds another server to code and manage). If you're below that limit, "send message in time" is a very important tool to divide larger tasks up so that they do not block your server. If you have large files for each connection (large datasets to transfer, then you need chunking and bandwidth controlling. Chunking means to divide the one big file into several pieces, and send those after each other. This is needed because as long as a script is running, other scripts are blocked, so a single large file transfer will block your server for a too long time. Bandwidth control means to reduce the speed at which you do things, so as to not send too many data at once, which gives the server breathing room for accepting other tasks. Things that won't work: "Giving" a connection to another instance of rev: You said you'd like to distribute the workload that way. However, the _connection_ is always bound to whomever has accepted the socket communication, and there are security rules forbidding giving away a socket. Not using send in time in the read/write to socket commands: Every such command will wait and block the _whole_ app until it is done. With network latency, this will be a problem for a very busy server (example: chatrev, with it's usually 5-6 chatters and less then a message per second does use blocking read/writes on the server, and never had a problem with that, not even when there where 25 chatters (max amount ever on chatrev)). On-Rev: This runs within apache, and can only accept http traffic. no custom socket, no custom protocols (unless on top of http). CGI only work with some caveats: cgi's normally run within apache, and can only accept http traffic. However they can use custom sockets, and they can be used as command line app without apache, where they are more similar to a normal standalone sans gui. High traffic or high bandwidth servers: you will run into high end boundaries, with several connections per millisecond, and with big bandwidth demands. I have never reached these boundaries, and as long as you're not Word of Warcraft, or Google, you won't either. Bjoernke On 27 Feb 2010, at 15:11, Marcio Alexandroni wrote: > Hi Bernard, > > Pierre has posted here RevServer may support all the features I need in > full. In fact I have moved to the on-rev hosting, so I'll start testing the > connection from the PDAs using Sockets from my applications, I think I can > rewrite the protocol to use HTTP. > > I tried your suggestion on "wait with messages" but it causes problems in > the message processing, I couldn't find the exact reason, but as the message > handler deals with databases and deals with encrypted packages, I think > something was not handled quite well when two clients connect at the same > time. > > >> From: Bernard Devlin >> >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Marcio Alexandroni >> wrote: >>> I've been reading about Rev and CGI, but I read on rev Forums that the >>> necessary standalone engine necessary for the cgi-bin support is available >>> only on Rev <= 3.5, the new versions do not have the standalone engine >>> anymore. Do you know if it's true? >>> >> >> Yes this is true. It is a great pity and I do not find the reasons >> for this move entirely convincing. If you are a licensed user, it >> might be possible to get the 3.5 engine from Runrev (actually, I think >> you just need the RevStudio 3.5 for your platform,and I think the >> standalone engine is bundled comes in there). >> >> There is supposed to be a rev-server released. I had thought it was >> going to be an apache module to get beyond the problem of any delays >> with a fork from CGI. However, no information has been forthcoming, >> and it seems no one outside RunRev knows what was offered and what >> will actually be delivered, or when. >> >> I seem to remember that within on-rev it is not possible to open >> sockets. I think there was a talk at the Rev2009 conference by BvG >> who developed the Rev chat server. I am not so interested in on-rev, >> so I didn't pay that much attention, but I thought he said that >> sockets could not be opened with on-rev, and that was the reason why >> he switch to a HTTP based protocol. I'm sure someone else will >> comment on this soon if I'm mistaken. >> >> BTW you still did not mention if you are using sockets and "with >> message". Unless there is some reason why that will not work, your >> concerns about threading may prove unnecessary. >> >> Bernard -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 11:10:34 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:10:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a11002261155t1713e69bub8c3d2c60f883cf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> <1267213049871-1571217.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002261155t1713e69bub8c3d2c60f883cf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267287034239-1572042.post@n4.nabble.com> Andre Garzia-3 wrote: > > good question, > > have you given the revlet network permissions? > Yes, , i selected "Allow always". Double click one line in first card and stack go to next card with all fields empty. Just noticed that 141 kb takes too long to load. Does this works the same in every computer? Or only in my side? Same results using Firefox 3.5.8, Internet Explorer 8 and Google Chrome. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Project-Euler-tp1566143p1572042.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rjb at robelko.com Sat Feb 27 11:15:14 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:15:14 +0100 Subject: Calling handlers on different stacks. In-Reply-To: <016a01caaf3d$9772a7e0$c657f7a0$@com> References: <1266333524459-1557457.post@n4.nabble.com> <016a01caaf3d$9772a7e0$c657f7a0$@com> Message-ID: On 16.02.10 at 09:23 -1000 Jim Bufalini apparently wrote: > >I just want to make sure that you understand that *call* is only necessary >to call a handler that is not in the message path. Also, *start using* is >for libraries. Otherwise you use *open*. However, if you *start using* a >library stack, this inserts that stack into the message path and so there is >no need to use *call* to execute any handlers in that stack. > >Aloha from Hawaii, > >Jim Bufalini A bit late, but it is worth adding for the record that *send* is an alternative to *call* with the difference being whether the context is switched or not. Robert From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sat Feb 27 11:46:26 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:46:26 +0100 Subject: Scientific computation [was Conference-DVDs arrived] In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <92B4D126-F0CB-4569-9BCA-1C7ADA49EC26@mines-paristech.fr> Le 27 f?vr. 2010 ? 10:09, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > Hi Jacque and All, > > As you, for sure, know too, there are lots of world-class companies that are using Rev but, for yet, they don't want to communicate about this ! Why ? > > Revolution is the environment of development which allows scientists and researchers of very high level to elaborate their own workflow without having to pass by caudines forks of their IT departments. Every time, that a physicist, a bilogiste, a chemist, a doctor or a psychologist cannot be any more listened as high as his waits(expectations) by a hard line computer specialist, he puts his co-workers in the work and, sometimes an outside consultant, so that a solution is found, thanks to Revolution. > > Hundred years ago, no safety(salute) outside the horse-drawn carriage and tomorrow our cars will be electric and tomorrow even, as you say it so well, the programming will have become an art and the right way to go with general dev tasks. We, of Edimburg up to all the community of Rev developers, us all share the adventure of the precursors and the discoverers and it is so much the better. 2020 is not so far:-D > > As an example, EADS Astrium Transportation (Ariane rockets) is using Rev. Telling more is not allowed (NDA)... > > Friendly yours, > > Pierre > I have worked with Astrium (at the time Aerospatiale in the past) and their main computation workload was done on SUN workstations (most likely windows PCs by now) using Matlab. Of course, as they went closer to the actual implementation of, say, GNC routines, they would use tools that were closer to the embedded processor... I guess you know the price of a full professional Matlab license (plus some extra toolboxes)... Still, many people use Matlab for engineering computations because Matlab does some very good job at providing numerical solutions. Freeware alternatives (like scilab) have all started (IMHO) by reusing Fortran Libraries and hooking them to a syntax engine (the original Blaise at INRIA was based on Lisp, I believe). As a consequence, the implementation as a package is, to say the least, unpleasant to use. Now, on the other side, Rev has a very nice language, but non existent support for, let us say, C style arrays of fixed size double precision floats. What I mean is that variable typing somehow is not really supported in transcript. In many cases this is a blessing, but when you go for pure computing performances, it's too bad. I will take an example. Go to http://www.macresearch.org/performance_tutorial_part_i_introducing_accelerate and you will see that MacOS X included vector optimized of BLAS and LAPACK (public domain numerical package for linear computations, for those who are not in this field). Now, because of their history, parameters must be passed using the FORTRAN conventions. I think this can be done in the rev externals. However, I do no know if it is possible to pass, say, a double float array from runrev. If this could be done, this could be very beneficial to the scientific (in the broad sense) community because the core of matlab's routines could be ported to revolution, with the benefit of having the wonderful rev environment. If, in addition to this, externals based on the accelerate framework could be used in the now free revmedia, this would be a tremendous opportunity for the scientific community (especially in college) to drop the pricey matlab in favor of revmedia. Unfortunately, I am not geeky enough to do this by myself... cheers Fran?ois Fran?ois Chaplais MINES ParisTech Centre Automatique et syst?mes Ecole des Mines de Paris http://cas.ensmp.fr/~chaplais/en/ From marcio at cialogica.com.br Sat Feb 27 12:00:58 2010 From: marcio at cialogica.com.br (Marcio Alexandroni) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:00:58 -0300 Subject: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bjoernke, As I could understand, even using "accept with message", "read with message", the processing will not be concurrent but queued. If there are 3 connections, it will accept ConnA and queue, ConnB and queue, ConnC and queue, then will process the queue in line. If I have some reads in depth, it will be queueing the messages generated after the read. Did I understood it right? Thinkig about on-rev and to be able to deploy it, thinkig about RevServer, I could reimplement my communication protocol over HTTP, with full multithreading and concurrent support from the Apache and the RevServer message processing, then I could be handling the messaging system like I do today, all requests processed immediately. Thanks for your ideas. Regards, Marcio Alexandroni www.cialogica.com.br ( (11) 9989-8316 marcioalexandroni -- > From: Bj?rnke von Gierke > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:04:05 +0100 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server > > Hi > > Yes, opening your own sockets is not possible with on-rev. > > If you're not using on-rev: > > Using "accept ... with message" is the first (and most important) step to get > rev handle several connections concurrently. the second step is to always use > read/write "with message", because otherwise it'd be blocking. Note that > there's nothing in Rev that will make "with message" not work, but there's > several traps that you can step into, which will make it not work. Maybe the > "wait" command can produce problems, but I almost never use wait, and haven't > tested it much. > > If you have computational heavy tasks to do for every connection (several > seconds for each), then you can't do it with a single rev installation. A way > around that is to launch command line versions of rev (using the 3.5 cgi > engine as command line app), and do calculations there. The command line app > then connects to your server and gives back the result that way. This will > introduce various other kinds if latencies, and is hugely complex to implement > (basically adds another server to code and manage). If you're below that > limit, "send message in time" is a very important tool to divide larger tasks > up so that they do not block your server. > > If you have large files for each connection (large datasets to transfer, then > you need chunking and bandwidth controlling. Chunking means to divide the one > big file into several pieces, and send those after each other. This is needed > because as long as a script is running, other scripts are blocked, so a single > large file transfer will block your server for a too long time. Bandwidth > control means to reduce the speed at which you do things, so as to not send > too many data at once, which gives the server breathing room for accepting > other tasks. > > Things that won't work: > > "Giving" a connection to another instance of rev: You said you'd like to > distribute the workload that way. However, the _connection_ is always bound to > whomever has accepted the socket communication, and there are security rules > forbidding giving away a socket. > > Not using send in time in the read/write to socket commands: Every such > command will wait and block the _whole_ app until it is done. With network > latency, this will be a problem for a very busy server (example: chatrev, with > it's usually 5-6 chatters and less then a message per second does use blocking > read/writes on the server, and never had a problem with that, not even when > there where 25 chatters (max amount ever on chatrev)). > > On-Rev: This runs within apache, and can only accept http traffic. no custom > socket, no custom protocols (unless on top of http). > > CGI only work with some caveats: cgi's normally run within apache, and can > only accept http traffic. However they can use custom sockets, and they can be > used as command line app without apache, where they are more similar to a > normal standalone sans gui. > > High traffic or high bandwidth servers: you will run into high end boundaries, > with several connections per millisecond, and with big bandwidth demands. I > have never reached these boundaries, and as long as you're not Word of > Warcraft, or Google, you won't either. > > Bjoernke > > On 27 Feb 2010, at 15:11, Marcio Alexandroni wrote: > >> Hi Bernard, >> >> Pierre has posted here RevServer may support all the features I need in >> full. In fact I have moved to the on-rev hosting, so I'll start testing the >> connection from the PDAs using Sockets from my applications, I think I can >> rewrite the protocol to use HTTP. >> >> I tried your suggestion on "wait with messages" but it causes problems in >> the message processing, I couldn't find the exact reason, but as the message >> handler deals with databases and deals with encrypted packages, I think >> something was not handled quite well when two clients connect at the same >> time. >> >> >>> From: Bernard Devlin >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Marcio Alexandroni >>> wrote: >>>> I've been reading about Rev and CGI, but I read on rev Forums that the >>>> necessary standalone engine necessary for the cgi-bin support is available >>>> only on Rev <= 3.5, the new versions do not have the standalone engine >>>> anymore. Do you know if it's true? >>>> >>> >>> Yes this is true. It is a great pity and I do not find the reasons >>> for this move entirely convincing. If you are a licensed user, it >>> might be possible to get the 3.5 engine from Runrev (actually, I think >>> you just need the RevStudio 3.5 for your platform,and I think the >>> standalone engine is bundled comes in there). >>> >>> There is supposed to be a rev-server released. I had thought it was >>> going to be an apache module to get beyond the problem of any delays >>> with a fork from CGI. However, no information has been forthcoming, >>> and it seems no one outside RunRev knows what was offered and what >>> will actually be delivered, or when. >>> >>> I seem to remember that within on-rev it is not possible to open >>> sockets. I think there was a talk at the Rev2009 conference by BvG >>> who developed the Rev chat server. I am not so interested in on-rev, >>> so I didn't pay that much attention, but I thought he said that >>> sockets could not be opened with on-rev, and that was the reason why >>> he switch to a HTTP based protocol. I'm sure someone else will >>> comment on this soon if I'm mistaken. >>> >>> BTW you still did not mention if you are using sockets and "with >>> message". Unless there is some reason why that will not work, your >>> concerns about threading may prove unnecessary. >>> >>> Bernard > > -- > > official ChatRev page: > http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sat Feb 27 12:05:23 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:05:23 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002261612s571da1ebka5bdd797d79c22ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B87D8FE.5070305@fourthworld.com> <64bda6471002261612s571da1ebka5bdd797d79c22ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4DD525-C0D7-4A42-ABC0-34E9AA03858D@inria.fr> Bonjour Zryip, Starting from your very nice script, I am modifying it so that I obtain one month per line. I managed to get the days of weeks repeated five times separated by tab in the first line of the field (with tab stops in it) I suppressed carriage returns and I added "tab" between weeks. Not too difficult up to now :-) Not completed yet (currently I am getting one month nearly as I expected. While doing trials, I just noticed that, when pFirstDayWeek is "Monday", if the first day of a month is actually "sunday" then there is a flaw: the "1" is set up under "monday" instead of "sunday" while "2" is at its right place (second line). I got that for example when trying "1/0810" (August 2010) This does not happen with pFirstDayWeek = "Sunday" (I tried for months beginning a saturday). I must confess that I did not study your script deeply (I just made few local modifications to quicky obtain a month with an aligned format instead of a table. So you likely will see faster than me how to fix that issue ;-)) Anyway, thanks a lot for your improvement of the Richard'script; I particularly appreciate the possibililty to choose between Sunday and Monday as the first day of week. Thanks to your script I am sure I will get the format I am expecting. Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 27 f?vr. 10 ? 01:12, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > 2010/2/26 Richard Gaskin : >> FWIW, here's a a function I pulled out of my archives which is a >> sort of >> variant of Cal in native RevTalk, making a single month from a date >> passed >> to it. I'll leave it as an exercise to the user to make a year out >> of it if >> needed. >> >> One of the nice things about RevTalk is that the weekDayNames and >> monthNames >> functions return values in the current system's local language, so >> this is >> localized without having to do anything. > > I confess that I have missed these two valuables functions. > >> Interestingly, without the overhead involved in going to shell it's >> about 20 >> times faster on my machine than calling shell("cal"). > > It's instant on my machine. So with your script I could back in > time? 8-) > > > However as far I have understood it seems that the property > useSystemDate set to true is necessary to obtain values according with > the local language. > Plus, a second difficulty exists: the week don't starts necessary a > Sunday but a Monday. > > So I try to improve the Richard's solution like this: > > function Cal pDate, pFirstDayWeek > set useSystemDate to true > -- Returns a plain-text calendar representation of > -- the month the date specified in pDate is in. > -- If no month is provided it uses the current > -- month. Month and day names use the user's current > -- system settings. > -- > -- Use current date as default: > if pDate is empty then put the date into pDate > if pFirstDayWeek is empty then put "Sunday" into pFirstDayWeek > -- Verify date is valid: > convert pDate to dateitems > if the result is not empty then return "Error: "& the result > -- > put empty into tCal > -- > -- Make month/year header: > put item 1 of pDate into tYear > put item 2 of pDate into tMonthNumber > put line (tMonthNumber) of the monthNames into tMonth > put tMonth && tYear into tHeader > -- Center it: > repeat for ( (20 - len(tHeader)) div 2) > put " " after tCal > end repeat > put tHeader &cr after tCal > -- > -- Make day names header: > put weekdayNamesList(pFirstDayWeek) into tWeekdayNames > repeat for each line tDay in tWeekdayNames > put char 1 to 2 of tDay &" " after tCal > end repeat > put cr after tCal > -- > -- Pad beginning with empty days: > put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,1) into tStartDay -- create a > date in the system's local language > convert tStartDay to dateitems > if (pFirstDayWeek is "Monday") then > repeat for (last item of tStartDay - 2) > put " " after tCal > end repeat > else > repeat for (last item of tStartDay - 1) > put " " after tCal > end repeat > end if > > put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,1) into tStartDay -- create a > date in the system's local language > > -- Walk through 31 days, stopping when we reach a > -- number not valid for the month we're doing: > > repeat with i = 1 to dayOf(addToDate(tStartDay,0,1,-1)) > -- the end value is the number of days in the month. To > obtain the last date of a month, add 1 month and subtract one > -- day to the first day of a month > -- Get day number: > put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,i) into tDate > convert tDate to dateitems > if the result is not empty then exit repeat > put item 3 of tDate into tDayNum > -- > -- Pad it and add it: > if len(i) = 1 then put " " before i > put i &" " after tCal > -- > -- Go to next line if we're at the end of the week: > if last item of tDate = lastDayOfWeek(pFirstDayWeek) then put cr > after tCal > end repeat > -- > -- Pad empty lines at end for uniform appearance > -- when using multiple calendars in a field: > repeat for (8-the number of lines of tCal) > put cr after tCal > end repeat > -- > -- Send it to the caller: > return tCal > end Cal > > function weekdayNamesList pFirstDay > set useSystemDate to true > put the abbr weekdayNames into tWeekdayNames > if pFirstDay is "Monday" then > put cr&first line of tWeekdayNames after tWeekdayNames > delete first line of tWeekdayNames > end if > return tWeekdayNames > end weekdayNamesList > > function lastDayOfWeek pFirstDay > if pFirstDay is "Monday" then > return 1 > else > return 7 > end if > end lastDayOfWeek > > function firstDayInMonth pStartDate > -- Return the first day in a month > set useSystemDate to true > convert pStartDate to dateitems > put 1 into item 3 of pStartDate > convert pStartDate to short date > return pStartDate > end firstDayInMonth > > function createDate pTheYear,pTheMonth,pTheDay > local tDateItems > > set useSystemDate to true > put pTheYear,pTheMonth,pTheDay,0,0,0,0 into tDateItems > convert tDateItems from dateItems to short date > return tDateItems > end createDate > > function addToDate pStartDate,pAddToYear,pAddToMonth,pAddToDay > -- Allows you to manipulate a date in a single pass > set useSystemDate to true > convert pStartDate to dateitems > add pAddToYear to item 1 of pStartDate > add pAddToMonth to item 2 of pStartDate > add pAddToDay to item 3 of pStartDate > convert pStartDate to short date > return pStartDate > end addToDate > > function dayOf pStartDate > set useSystemDate to true > convert pStartDate to dateitems > return item 3 of pStartDate > end dayOf > > > If some members of the list could validate this script in their own > language? 8-) > > > -> If your weeks starts a Monday call the function like this: > > set useSystemDate to true > put cal(the date,"Monday") into fld "myField" > > -> If your weeks starts a Sunday simply use: > > set useSystemDate to true > put cal() into fld "myField" > > > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 27 12:18:02 2010 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:18:02 -0800 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived--Now: "Where have all the socks gone. Long time passing." In-Reply-To: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> > > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:12:18 -0600 > From: "J. Landman Gay" > Subject: Re: Conference-DVDs arrived > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: <4B88D3E2.4030302 at hyperactivesw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > (Snip) > > The future is bright. But I still couldn't see where socks go after > you > put them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com I have a system in with the loss of two socks never results in the loss of more than one pair. But then my sense of fashion does not extend beyond considerations of modesty. Jim Hurley From gwolfgang at gaich.de Sat Feb 27 12:30:20 2010 From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G.W.Gaich) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:30:20 +0100 Subject: why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? In-Reply-To: <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> Hi all, does anyone know why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? -- the mouse is at 101,105 in a card in an arrowkey-script of a field: .... answer the mouseloc --> 101,105 set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b") -- the loc of button "b" is at 120,170 answer the mouseloc --> 120,170 --> ok -- in mousedown of btn "b" there is a popup send "mousedown" to btn "b" .... -- the popup opens at 101,105 -- not at 120,170 Why??? Windows XP, rev 4.0.0-gm-1 Thanks Wolfgang From psahores at free.fr Sat Feb 27 12:30:00 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:30:00 +0100 Subject: Scientific computation [was Conference-DVDs arrived] In-Reply-To: <92B4D126-F0CB-4569-9BCA-1C7ADA49EC26@mines-paristech.fr> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> <92B4D126-F0CB-4569-9BCA-1C7ADA49EC26@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <1A277316-291D-477D-95A8-81E0B2C4306D@free.fr> Hello Fran?ois, > Now, on the other side, Rev has a very nice language, but non > existent support for, let us say, C style arrays of fixed size > double precision floats. What I mean is that variable typing somehow > is not really supported in transcript. In many cases this is a > blessing, but when you go for pure computing performances, it's too > bad. Even at a low level stage (untyped vars are a traditional xtalk facility but typed vars are probably available behind the scene as undocumented features), is'nt Kevin, Mark W. ?. > > I will take an example. Go to > http://www.macresearch.org/performance_tutorial_part_i_introducing_accelerate > and you will see that MacOS X included vector optimized of BLAS and > LAPACK (public domain numerical package for linear computations, for > those who are not in this field). Now, because of their history, > parameters must be passed using the FORTRAN conventions. I think > this can be done in the rev externals. However, I do no know if it > is possible to pass, say, a double float array from runrev. Does someone got a tested way to do this from Rev ? Andre, Mark S. ? > > If this could be done, this could be very beneficial to the > scientific (in the broad sense) community because the core of > matlab's routines could be ported to revolution, with the benefit of > having the wonderful rev environment. > > If, in addition to this, externals based on the accelerate framework > could be used in the now free revmedia, this would be a tremendous > opportunity for the scientific community (especially in college) to > drop the pricey matlab in favor of revmedia. > > Unfortunately, I am not geeky enough to do this by myself... Nor i'm ... ... ;) Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 27 12:40:56 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:40:56 -0800 Subject: Scientific computation [was Conference-DVDs arrived] In-Reply-To: <1A277316-291D-477D-95A8-81E0B2C4306D@free.fr> References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> <92B4D126-F0CB-4569-9BCA-1C7ADA49EC26@mines-paristech.fr> <1A277316-291D-477D-95A8-81E0B2C4306D@free.fr> Message-ID: <591270295015.20100227094056@ahsoftware.net> Pierre- Saturday, February 27, 2010, 9:30:00 AM, you wrote: > Even at a low level stage (untyped vars are a traditional xtalk > facility but typed vars are probably available behind the scene as > undocumented features), is'nt Kevin, Mark W. ?. >> I filed BZ #2783 some five years ago requesting this ability... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From powai903 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 13:33:31 2010 From: powai903 at yahoo.com (Vikram Singh) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:03:31 +0530 (IST) Subject: Export image with graphic effect Message-ID: <223519.34510.qm@web94711.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Graphic effects, in themselves a great feature- cant be used outside?the stack since the exported image strips the effects. It would be great if the image exported has the effect(s) applied. ? Is there any other way to do this? Where does one log in feature requests? ? ? Best regards Vikram ? < back to rev > REV ROCKS!!!! ? ? ? Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From Camm29 at tesco.net Sat Feb 27 14:00:09 2010 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:00:09 -0000 Subject: All Cards In-Reply-To: References: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> Message-ID: <000301cab7df$166f3fa0$434dbee0$@net> Its just a different fld id on each card Thanks Camm -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault Sent: 27 February 2010 15:58 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: All Cards Question 1 is the field in a group, or just a different fld ID on each card? Question 2 if the field is in a group, is the group set to 'behave as a background'? Question 3 If the answer to question 2 is yes, then Does turning on the check box "Share Text" do what you want? On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Camm wrote: > I have a fld in each card called "Version" > > I wish to put "Version 1.x.x" into fld "Version" of each card in the > stack > > Can it be done with one line ? or am I missing something simple ? > Jim Ault Las Vegas _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 19:39:00 From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Feb 27 14:12:48 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:12:48 -0800 Subject: Export image with graphic effect In-Reply-To: <223519.34510.qm@web94711.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <223519.34510.qm@web94711.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B896EB0.5070302@comcast.net> Hello Vikram, You could use "export snapshot" with a portion of the card that the graphic is on. Mart Knapp > Graphic effects, in themselves a great feature- cant be used outside the stack since the exported image strips the effects. It would be great if the image exported has the effect(s) applied. > > Is there any other way to do this? Where does one log in feature requests? > > > Best regards > Vikram > > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:21:06 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:21:06 +0100 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? In-Reply-To: <4A4DD525-C0D7-4A42-ABC0-34E9AA03858D@inria.fr> References: <4B87D8FE.5070305@fourthworld.com> <64bda6471002261612s571da1ebka5bdd797d79c22ff@mail.gmail.com> <4A4DD525-C0D7-4A42-ABC0-34E9AA03858D@inria.fr> Message-ID: <64bda6471002271121w8151224jae2c30d921829b48@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/27 Andre.Bisseret : > Bonjour Zryip, > > Starting from your very nice script, I am modifying it so that I obtain one > month per line. > I managed to get the days of weeks repeated five times separated by tab in > the first line of the field (with tab stops in it) > ?I suppressed carriage returns and I added "tab" between weeks. > Not too difficult up to now :-) > Not completed yet (currently I am getting one month nearly as I expected. > > While doing trials, I just noticed that, when pFirstDayWeek is "Monday", if > the first day of a month is actually "sunday" then there is a flaw: the "1" > is set up under "monday" instead of "sunday" while "2" is at its right place > (second line). > > I got that for example when trying "1/0810" (August 2010) > > This does not happen with pFirstDayWeek = "Sunday" (I tried for months > beginning a saturday). > > I must confess that I did not study your script deeply > (I just made few local modifications to quicky obtain a month with an > aligned format instead of a table. > > So you likely will see faster than me how to fix that issue ;-)) Bonjour Andr?! Thanks for your feedback ;) To fix this bug, replace the pad part by this new portion: ?-- Pad beginning with empty days: put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,1) into tStartDay convert tStartDay to dateitems get last item of tStartDay if (pFirstDayWeek is "Monday") then if (it = 1) then put 6 into tPad -- fix the case that the day is Sunday (value 1) - 2 = - 1 else put (it - 2) into tPad end if else put (it - 1) into tPad end if repeat for tPad ? ?put " ? " after tCal end repeat > > Anyway, thanks a lot for your improvement of the Richard'script; I > particularly appreciate the possibililty to choose between Sunday and Monday > as the first day of week. Thanks to your script I am sure I will get the > format I am expecting. > You're welcome 8-) Now a little trick with my code. It could give you free times if you have missed it ;) How to create an easy loop to add months: put createDate(2010,1,1) into tStartDate -- Create the January, 1 2010 in your local language system repeat with tMonthNumber = 0 to 11 -- Create months for January (1) to December (12) put cal(addToDate(tStartDate,0,tMonthNumber,0),"Monday") & cr after fld "MyField" end repeat Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:34:27 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:34:27 +0200 Subject: Export image with graphic effect In-Reply-To: <4B896EB0.5070302@comcast.net> References: <223519.34510.qm@web94711.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <4B896EB0.5070302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B8973C3.3040203@gmail.com> On 27/02/2010 21:12, Marty Knapp wrote: > Hello Vikram, > > You could use "export snapshot" with a portion of the card that the > graphic is on. > > Mart Knapp >> Graphic effects, in themselves a great feature- cant be used outside >> the stack since the exported image strips the effects. It would be >> great if the image exported has the effect(s) applied. >> >> Is there any other way to do this? Where does one log in feature >> requests? >> >> >> Best regards >> Vikram >> > I found a way. Set up your Graphic / Button / Image / Field with the graphic effects you want then GROUP it with a slightly larger, graphic object that is transparent and has a 0 border. Export a snapshot of the group. sincerely, Richmond. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 14:45:59 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:45:59 -0800 Subject: All Cards In-Reply-To: <000301cab7df$166f3fa0$434dbee0$@net> References: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> <000301cab7df$166f3fa0$434dbee0$@net> Message-ID: I would recommend you do the following for the future development of your stack(s) go card 1 select the field "Version" go to the menu "Object", and choose "Group Selected" objects There is only one selected, but now there is a group id that contains one field. At this point, the group is only 'placed' on card 1. Select the group and use the inspector to "Behave like a background" Next, go to card 2, then the menu "Object:Place Group" and now it appears on card 1 & 2, plus will automatically appear on any new cards then select the original field "Version" and delete it. You will not need it anymore. Once you have done this for all cards (either manually or by scripted repeat loop) you can select "Share Text" and all cards will show the same text, whether it is a version number or a list of data, etc. -------------------- If you decide not to use a background group, you will need to write a repeat loop to update all of the individual fields. Also, you will have to remember to add this field to any new cards you make and put in the correct version number. In the long run it is easier to use background-group objects when developing stacks On Feb 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Camm wrote: > Its just a different fld id on each card > > Thanks > Camm > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault > Sent: 27 February 2010 15:58 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: All Cards > > Question 1 > is the field in a group, or just a different fld ID on each card? > > Question 2 > if the field is in a group, is the group set to 'behave as a > background'? > > Question 3 > If the answer to question 2 is yes, then > Does turning on the check box "Share Text" do what you want? > > > On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Camm wrote: > >> I have a fld in each card called "Version" >> >> I wish to put "Version 1.x.x" into fld "Version" of each card in the >> stack >> >> Can it be done with one line ? or am I missing something simple ? >> > Jim Ault Las Vegas From powai903 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 14:48:12 2010 From: powai903 at yahoo.com (Vikram Singh) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:18:12 +0530 (IST) Subject: Export image with graphic effect SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4B8973C3.3040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <740688.742.qm@web94716.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Marty/Richmond- Many thanks ? Richmond- your solution Works!! Really cool. ? Vikram --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Richmond Mathewson wrote: From: Richmond Mathewson Subject: Re: Export image with graphic effect To: "How to use Revolution" Date: Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 1:04 AM On 27/02/2010 21:12, Marty Knapp wrote: > Hello Vikram, > > You could use "export snapshot" with a portion of the card that the graphic is on. > > Mart Knapp >> Graphic effects, in themselves a great feature- cant be used outside the stack since the exported image strips the effects. It would be great if the image exported has the effect(s) applied. >> >> Is there any other way to do this? Where does one log in feature requests? >> >> >> Best regards >> Vikram >> > I found a way.? Set up your Graphic / Button / Image / Field with the graphic effects you want then GROUP it with a slightly larger, graphic object that is transparent and has a 0 border. Export a snapshot of the group. sincerely, Richmond. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From briany at qldlearning.com Sat Feb 27 15:38:56 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: Project Euler In-Reply-To: <1267287034239-1572042.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7c87a2a11002230828ia2f0ff1s399ab3ae1b2d0c01@mail.gmail.com> <6F23A574-D5B2-4B0E-AAAD-29541258AF4A@economy-x-talk.com> <26AC9485-EBCE-48C2-952B-CECD35698D83@qldlearning.com> <7c87a2a11002230912j55745504k8e01be160e5a76f3@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a11002231054k6f184778kf3832e30b2552a51@mail.gmail.com> <1267213049871-1571217.post@n4.nabble.com> <7c87a2a11002261155t1713e69bub8c3d2c60f883cf2@mail.gmail.com> <1267287034239-1572042.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alejandro, For me the double-clicking doesn't work at all, but submitting a new solution is no problem. Poor Andre didn't know what he was getting himself into, but... Any chance Andre you could add a simple "edit" button on the front page instead of the double click? Maybe that would help. > > > Andre Garzia-3 wrote: >> >> good question, >> >> have you given the revlet network permissions? >> > > Yes, , i selected "Allow always". > > Double click one line in first card and stack go to > next card with all fields empty. > > Just noticed that 141 kb takes too > long to load. Does this works the > same in every computer? > Or only in my side? > > Same results using Firefox 3.5.8, Internet Explorer 8 > and Google Chrome. From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 15:55:24 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:55:24 -0600 Subject: Possible data grid bug? Message-ID: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> I have an interesting situation here, and likely this is just a bug on my end, but thought I'd toss it out and see if maybe it's not me. Essentially, I'm trying to fill in data for a data grid that's on another card that isn't the current card. I'm using "of me" everywhere and - in fact - all my data does get added to the DG. But a whole lot of exceptions are thrown from elsewhere (deeper in the DG behavior), causing sections of my code to not execute. Result: bugs. If I switch cards first, then dispatch the commands, no exceptions are thrown. Anyone else tried this before or have any ideas what might be causing my issues? Jeff M. From bobs at twft.com Sat Feb 27 17:02:23 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:02:23 -0800 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66A440DB-8F8B-4FF7-A2C7-D472BF75F475@twft.com> Hi Jeff. The only place you can use "of me" is in the script of the DG object itself. If the script you are setting the dgText is in another object, then you have to use "of group ". If you call it from another card, then you have to add the reference of the card: "of group of card ". If you still throw errors, you may have uncovered a bug with behaviors. Bob On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > I have an interesting situation here, and likely this is just a bug on my > end, but thought I'd toss it out and see if maybe it's not me. Essentially, > I'm trying to fill in data for a data grid that's on another card that isn't > the current card. > > I'm using "of me" everywhere and - in fact - all my data does get added to > the DG. But a whole lot of exceptions are thrown from elsewhere (deeper in > the DG behavior), causing sections of my code to not execute. Result: bugs. > If I switch cards first, then dispatch the commands, no exceptions are > thrown. > > Anyone else tried this before or have any ideas what might be causing my > issues? > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:24:00 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:24:00 -0600 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: <66A440DB-8F8B-4FF7-A2C7-D472BF75F475@twft.com> References: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> <66A440DB-8F8B-4FF7-A2C7-D472BF75F475@twft.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002271424x4154fae3la2a3047306b140f9@mail.gmail.com> Bob, Thanks for the reply. I am doing all those things [properly]. I'm triple checking my code to make sure, but it's not that complex: from card A: - dispatch "msg" to grp "dg" of cd "b" with arguments group DG: - addData tData DG behavior script: - Many uses of "of me" - as to be expected Like I said, if I go to card B before the dispatch, everything is fine. If I do the dispatch from card A then the data is added, but many exceptions are thrown (not in fillInData or layoutControl). Something unique that I do is each row of the datagrid on FillInData will do a "load URL with callback". Perhaps that callback is causing issues? Thanks again for the reply. Jeff M. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi Jeff. > > The only place you can use "of me" is in the script of the DG object > itself. If the script you are setting the dgText is in another object, then > you have to use "of group ". If you call it from another card, > then you have to add the reference of the card: "of group of > card ". If you still throw errors, you may have > uncovered a bug with behaviors. > > Bob > > On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > > > I have an interesting situation here, and likely this is just a bug on my > > end, but thought I'd toss it out and see if maybe it's not me. > Essentially, > > I'm trying to fill in data for a data grid that's on another card that > isn't > > the current card. > > > > I'm using "of me" everywhere and - in fact - all my data does get added > to > > the DG. But a whole lot of exceptions are thrown from elsewhere (deeper > in > > the DG behavior), causing sections of my code to not execute. Result: > bugs. > > If I switch cards first, then dispatch the commands, no exceptions are > > thrown. > > > > Anyone else tried this before or have any ideas what might be causing my > > issues? > > > > Jeff M. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:24:58 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:24:58 -0600 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> <963c86eb1002191332t6ec7aca1v7d0aaae955a96943@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <963c86eb1002271424v606b3d2cw44f6d9d424e8591d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to bring this one back up, but I really am having a helluva time getting this to work: on browserBeforeNavigate pBrowser, pURL global browserCancel -- don't actually go there in the browser... stay here put true into browserCancel -- open another browser window to go there launch URL pURL end browserBeforeNavigate As I understand the documentation (and the replies ya'll have given so far), this should "just work". The new browser does open and go to the URL, but the revBrowser also navigates to the page as well. I've tried putting the global declaration at the top of the script and elsewhere. I have the same result every time. Any hints/help appreciated. Thanks! Jeff M. On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > LOL. > > I was thinking this was a "global" in the same vein as lockMessages and such. > > Okay. Thanks, guys! > > Jeff M. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sat Feb 27 18:16:46 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:16:46 +0000 Subject: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) Message-ID: <00000D48.4B89B5ED@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Hi, is there any special to consider, when using Datagrids in a Revlet? I built a simple stack with a Datagrid. Putting data into the DataGrid works in a standalone, but not in a revlet. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) (18-Dez-2009 6:42) From: Malte Pfaff-Brill To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Hi there, > > was happiely coding away on a web project. Build the revlet, works fine on > the mac. On Win Vista and 7 it fails with the following error (on setting > the dgText of the datagrid to empty.: > > 682,119,17 > 465,119,1 > 587,117,1 > 253,113,1 > 241,113,1,_Initialize > 353,0,0,button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of > stack "webmon" > 573,4512,18 > 253,4512,1 > 241,4512,1,dgData > 353,0,0,button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of > stack "webmon" > 90,3205,36 > 449,3205,5 > 535,3205,1 > 241,3205,1,_table.SetText > > Anybody got an idea what could cause this? > > Cheers, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:39:41 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:39:41 +1000 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > I have an interesting situation here, and likely this is just a bug on my > end, but thought I'd toss it out and see if maybe it's not me. Essentially, > I'm trying to fill in data for a data grid that's on another card that isn't > the current card. > > I'm using "of me" everywhere and - in fact - all my data does get added to > the DG. But a whole lot of exceptions are thrown from elsewhere (deeper in > the DG behavior), causing sections of my code to not execute. Result: bugs. > If I switch cards first, then dispatch the commands, no exceptions are > thrown. Check out . One of the paragraphs says: Don't try to draw a Data Grid on a card that Is not open When a Data Grid renders it dynamically creates fields and accesses certain properties. Some of these properties can not be properly reported by the Revolution engine unless the field is on an open card. So basically, you can't do what you have in mind. Would it work to lock the screen, go to the second card, draw the DG and then go back to where you were? Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:45:36 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:45:36 +1000 Subject: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) In-Reply-To: <00000D48.4B89B5ED@matthias.is-a-guru.com> References: <00000D48.4B89B5ED@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > is there any special to consider, when using Datagrids in a Revlet? I built a simple stack with a Datagrid. Putting data into the DataGrid works in a standalone, but not in a revlet. Translating your error gives the details copied below. This seems to indicate that the data grid library is correctly incorporated into your revlet, but it's missing some handler needed to set the text. Not very helpful I'm afraid, but it might give you some ideas. Cheers, Sarah Error description: Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 119 Column: 17 Processing Token: Error description: put: error in expression Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 119 Column: 1 Processing Token: Error description: switch: error in statement Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 117 Column: 1 Processing Token: Error description: if-then: error in statement Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 113 Column: 1 Processing Token: Error description: Handler: error in statement Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 113 Column: 1 Processing Token: _Initialize Error description: Handler: can't find handler Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 4512 Column: 18 Processing Token: Error description: if-then: error in statement Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 4512 Column: 1 Processing Token: Error description: Handler: error in statement Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" of stack "webmon" Line: 4512 Column: 1 Processing Token: dgData Error description: Chunk: can't set property Object: Line: 3205 Column: 36 Processing Token: Error description: Object: can't set object property Object: Line: 3205 Column: 5 Processing Token: Error description: set: can't set property Object: Line: 3205 Column: 1 Processing Token: Error description: Handler: error in statement Object: Line: 3205 Column: 1 Processing Token: _table.SetText From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:56:16 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:56:16 +1000 Subject: Browser documentation In-Reply-To: <963c86eb1002271424v606b3d2cw44f6d9d424e8591d@mail.gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002191308h2a50401dn24843a954ab2b7b0@mail.gmail.com> <4830FDBD-8834-4E03-A0DA-335E40101B1B@economy-x-talk.com> <963c86eb1002191332t6ec7aca1v7d0aaae955a96943@mail.gmail.com> <963c86eb1002271424v606b3d2cw44f6d9d424e8591d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Sorry to bring this one back up, but I really am having a helluva time > getting this to work: > > on browserBeforeNavigate pBrowser, pURL > ? ? ? global browserCancel > > ? ? ? -- don't actually go there in the browser... stay here > ? ? ? put true into browserCancel > > ? ? ? -- open another browser window to go there > ? ? ? launch URL pURL > end browserBeforeNavigate Just works here. I put this handler into the card script, and it opens the selected link in my default web browser, leaving the revBrowser unchanged. on browserBeforeNavigate pBrowserId, pUrl global browserCancel put true into browserCancel launch URL pUrl end browserBeforeNavigate If you are getting the default browser to show the page, then your script appears to be working, but maybe there is a typo or an extra invisible character in one of the lines that uses "browserCancel". Try copying & pasting my handler directly and seeing if that makes any difference. Cheers, Sarah From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sat Feb 27 18:57:23 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:57:23 +0000 Subject: Re-2: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) Message-ID: <00000D49.4B89BF72@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Sarah, thanks for that. But to be honest, i have no idea. Thanks anyway. Maybe Malte could help, as it seems he already created a revlet with a datagrid. Malte, wo bist du? ;-) Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) (28-Feb-2010 0:45) From: Sarah Reichelt To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is there any special to consider, when using Datagrids in a Revlet? I built > > a simple stack with a Datagrid. Putting data into the DataGrid works in a > > standalone, but not in a revlet. > > Translating your error gives the details copied below. This seems to > indicate that the data grid library is correctly incorporated into > your revlet, but it's missing some handler needed to set the text. > Not very helpful I'm afraid, but it might give you some ideas. > > Cheers, > Sarah > > > Error description: > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 119 Column: 17 Processing Token: > > Error description: put: error in expression > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 119 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > Error description: switch: error in statement > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 117 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > Error description: if-then: error in statement > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 113 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > Error description: Handler: error in statement > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 113 Column: 1 Processing Token: _Initialize > > Error description: Handler: can't find handler > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 4512 Column: 18 Processing Token: > > Error description: if-then: error in statement > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 4512 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > Error description: Handler: error in statement > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > of stack "webmon" > Line: 4512 Column: 1 Processing Token: dgData > > Error description: Chunk: can't set property > Object: > Line: 3205 Column: 36 Processing Token: > > Error description: Object: can't set object property > Object: > Line: 3205 Column: 5 Processing Token: > > Error description: set: can't set property > Object: > Line: 3205 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > Error description: Handler: error in statement > Object: > Line: 3205 Column: 1 Processing Token: _table.SetText > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sat Feb 27 19:16:30 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:16:30 +0000 Subject: Re-3: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) Message-ID: <00000D4A.4B89C3ED@matthias.is-a-guru.com> Haaaahhh, i found out, what was wrong. I had to set the security settings for the revlet in the standalonebuilder-settings from auto to, in my case, disk. That?s all. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re-2: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) (28-Feb-2010 0:59) From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Sarah, > > thanks for that. But to be honest, i have no idea. > > Thanks anyway. Maybe Malte could help, as it seems he already created a > revlet with a datagrid. > > Malte, wo bist du? ;-) > > Regards, > > Matthias > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) (28-Feb-2010 0:45) > From: Sarah Reichelt > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > is there any special to consider, when using Datagrids in a Revlet? I built > > > > > > a simple stack with a Datagrid. Putting data into the DataGrid works in a > > > standalone, but not in a revlet. > > > > Translating your error gives the details copied below. This seems to > > indicate that the data grid library is correctly incorporated into > > your revlet, but it's missing some handler needed to set the text. > > Not very helpful I'm afraid, but it might give you some ideas. > > > > Cheers, > > Sarah > > > > > > Error description: > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 119 Column: 17 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: put: error in expression > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 119 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: switch: error in statement > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 117 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: if-then: error in statement > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 113 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: Handler: error in statement > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 113 Column: 1 Processing Token: _Initialize > > > > Error description: Handler: can't find handler > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 4512 Column: 18 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: if-then: error in statement > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 4512 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: Handler: error in statement > > Object: button id 1005 of bkgnd id 1004 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > > of stack "webmon" > > Line: 4512 Column: 1 Processing Token: dgData > > > > Error description: Chunk: can't set property > > Object: > > Line: 3205 Column: 36 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: Object: can't set object property > > Object: > > Line: 3205 Column: 5 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: set: can't set property > > Object: > > Line: 3205 Column: 1 Processing Token: > > > > Error description: Handler: error in statement > > Object: > > Line: 3205 Column: 1 Processing Token: _table.SetText > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From massung at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:28:16 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:28:16 -0600 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: References: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E6FE304-9837-4822-B3E9-2B6FB085009A@gmail.com> On Feb 27, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > So basically, you can't do what you have in mind. > Would it work to lock the screen, go to the second card, draw the DG > and then go back to where you were? This is what I've done to fix the problem (and how I first learned that changing cards works). Sadly, this defeats my UI goals, but I'm sure I can come up with something else. The end goal is to actually go to the card with the DG on it, but while it's filling in with its initial dataset, I'm showing a progress indicator. Locking the screen prevents the progress indicator (an animated GIF in this instance) from updating. Thanks for the reply and link, though! Jeff M. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 20:36:02 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:36:02 +0100 Subject: why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? In-Reply-To: <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> Message-ID: <64bda6471002271736p509eb78aif22355604d6da9d6@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/27 G.W.Gaich : > Hi all, > > does anyone know why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? > > > -- the mouse is at 101,105 in a card > > in an arrowkey-script of a field: > ? ? .... > answer the mouseloc ?--> 101,105 > ? ? ? set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b") > -- the loc of button "b" is at 120,170 > > answer the mouseloc --> 120,170 --> ok > > -- in mousedown of btn "b" there is a popup > > send "mousedown" to btn "b" > ?.... > > -- the popup opens at 101,105 > -- not at 120,170 > > Why??? > > Windows XP, rev 4.0.0-gm-1 > > Thanks > > Wolfgang Hi Wolfgang, Not sure what you want to do with this script but why do you not using the click at the loc of btn "b" form ? -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 20:42:15 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:42:15 +1000 Subject: why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? In-Reply-To: <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:30 AM, G.W.Gaich wrote: > Hi all, > > does anyone know why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? > > > -- the mouse is at 101,105 in a card > > in an arrowkey-script of a field: > ? ? .... > answer the mouseloc ?--> 101,105 > ? ? ? set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b") > -- the loc of button "b" is at 120,170 > > answer the mouseloc --> 120,170 --> ok > > -- in mousedown of btn "b" there is a popup > > send "mousedown" to btn "b" > ?.... > > -- the popup opens at 101,105 > -- not at 120,170 You don't show the actual script to popup the popup, but if you want to specify it's location, you do so as a parameter to the popup command. I usually use: popup btn "Popup" at the mouseLoc or popup btn "Popup" at the clickLoc HTH, Sarah From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 27 22:44:01 2010 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:44:01 -0500 Subject: iTunes Library Message-ID: <9b408d8e1002271944s69d76bbdu13726b4400638f7f@mail.gmail.com> Has anybody done any manipulation of itunes library files? More importantly, would you like to share? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 27 23:03:44 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:03:44 -0500 Subject: iTunes Library In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e1002271944s69d76bbdu13726b4400638f7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e1002271944s69d76bbdu13726b4400638f7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You could check out my 'free' iTune Library Suite. It can still be found at the address below. I have not yet moved things over to on-rev. The Library is cross platform and the documentation is actually a lab where you can experiment with each command to see how it works. I have tried to include many examples in code and resources to experiment with. http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Has anybody done any manipulation of itunes library files? More > importantly, would you like to share? > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 27 23:53:33 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:53:33 -0600 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: <2E6FE304-9837-4822-B3E9-2B6FB085009A@gmail.com> References: <963c86eb1002271255g63c52403y8d826a07dd3baba4@mail.gmail.com> <2E6FE304-9837-4822-B3E9-2B6FB085009A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B89F6CD.9030606@hyperactivesw.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > The end goal is to actually go to the card with the DG on it, but while it's filling in with its initial dataset, I'm showing a progress indicator. Locking the screen prevents the progress indicator (an animated GIF in this instance) from updating. The "lock screen" command should really be called "lock window". It only prevents redraw in the front window. So you could put up a small substack that contains only your progress bar and run it from there while the window behind is locked and busy over on the other card. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 28 01:03:02 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:03:02 -0800 Subject: iTunes Library In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e1002271944s69d76bbdu13726b4400638f7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is really a comprehensive library and admirable considering the murky waters of MP3 tagging. I started to adapt the library to work with On-Rev but had problems with my converting the operation of the library from custom properties based to text file based. setprop and getprop in ON-Rev would be welcome here for this purpose. Real custom props of some kind would be even better...... if possible... ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 27 February 2010 20:03, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > You could check out my 'free' iTune Library Suite. It can still be found at > the address below. I have not yet moved things over to on-rev. > > The Library is cross platform and the documentation is actually a lab where > you can experiment with each command to see how it works. I have tried to > include many examples in code and resources to experiment with. > > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > > On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > Has anybody done any manipulation of itunes library files? More > > importantly, would you like to share? > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revolution at derbrill.de Sun Feb 28 04:57:03 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:57:03 +0100 Subject: Re-2: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7) In-Reply-To: <20100205020204.A6882288B6A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100205020204.A6882288B6A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > Malte, wo bist du? ;-) Hier wo der Finger leuchtet!!! My problem was, that the DG (on win) tries to query the registry. Thus a) the revLets need permissions to query the registry or b) the DGLib needs to be patched. Trevor posted the patch if I recall correctly. All the best, Malte From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun Feb 28 05:11:03 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:11:03 +0100 Subject: [ANN] The Slug's Color Picker is now on the road for beta test In-Reply-To: <64bda6471002221627w40a2c531p2f59f1a996258d88@mail.gmail.com> References: <64bda6471002221627w40a2c531p2f59f1a996258d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you very much Slug ! My first remark : the width of the stack could it not be the same as the pallet of tools of RunRev ? Ren? Le 23 f?vr. 2010 ? 01:27, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > Hello friends! > > A simple color picker is available on my site. > This is my first stack with RR. I seeking now some volunteers to test > it, give me some feedback and report bugs that I have missed. 8-) > > You will find the stack and a small preview here: > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > > > TIA > > > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From GWolfgang at gaich.de Sun Feb 28 07:40:27 2010 From: GWolfgang at gaich.de (G.Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:40:27 +0100 Subject: why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> Message-ID: <1267360827.2687.2.camel@gyWork> Hi Sarah, Zryip, thank you for your suggestions. But I know the ways to popup a popup button. I experimented a while with the mouseloc and realized that it's not true that the popup opens at the mouse location when you set the mouseloc with e.g. 'set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b")'. In the dictionary: If no location is specified, the menu's top left corner is at the mouse location. And I wondered why the popup command does not accept the new mouse location. Have a nice day Wolfgang Am Sonntag, den 28.02.2010, 11:42 +1000 schrieb Sarah Reichelt: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:30 AM, G.W.Gaich wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > does anyone know why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? > > > > > > -- the mouse is at 101,105 in a card > > > > in an arrowkey-script of a field: > > .... > > answer the mouseloc --> 101,105 > > set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b") > > -- the loc of button "b" is at 120,170 > > > > answer the mouseloc --> 120,170 --> ok > > > > -- in mousedown of btn "b" there is a popup > > > > send "mousedown" to btn "b" > > .... > > > > -- the popup opens at 101,105 > > -- not at 120,170 > > > You don't show the actual script to popup the popup, but if you want > to specify it's location, you do so as a parameter to the popup > command. > > I usually use: > popup btn "Popup" at the mouseLoc > or > popup btn "Popup" at the clickLoc > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 11:36:29 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:36:29 -0600 Subject: Detecting popup menu cancelation Message-ID: I have a popup button that, when clicked, I change the background color of a field so as to really highlight for the user exactly what their action is going to be taken on. However, currently, I have no way of detecting if the user chooses to do nothing (cancel the popup) and subsequently return the field's background color to its default. Is there some message I can key off of or some other way for me to accomplish this behavior? Thanks! Jeff M. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 28 12:21:20 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:21:20 -0600 Subject: Detecting popup menu cancelation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8AA610.6080302@hyperactivesw.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > I have a popup button that, when clicked, I change the background > color of a field so as to really highlight for the user exactly what > their action is going to be taken on. > > However, currently, I have no way of detecting if the user chooses to > do nothing (cancel the popup) and subsequently return the field's > background color to its default. > > Is there some message I can key off of or some other way for me to > accomplish this behavior? Do you mean by "cancel" that the user slides off the menu without selecting an option? If so, try "mouseRelease". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 12:29:44 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:29:44 -0600 Subject: Detecting popup menu cancelation In-Reply-To: <4B8AA610.6080302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4B8AA610.6080302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <95130FBE-A622-46B6-ADA1-3BC85EDD932A@gmail.com> On Feb 28, 2010, at 11:21 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Jeffrey Massung wrote: >> I have a popup button that, when clicked, I change the background >> color of a field so as to really highlight for the user exactly what >> their action is going to be taken on. >> However, currently, I have no way of detecting if the user chooses to >> do nothing (cancel the popup) and subsequently return the field's >> background color to its default. >> Is there some message I can key off of or some other way for me to >> accomplish this behavior? > > Do you mean by "cancel" that the user slides off the menu without selecting an option? If so, try "mouseRelease". Yes, that's what I mean by "cancel." And no, mouseRelease doesn't work. Tried it. :-( Thanks for the reply. Jeff M. From pmbrig at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 09:13:23 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:13:23 -0500 Subject: Conference-DVDs arrived In-Reply-To: References: <7B34EBC3-B951-47ED-8196-C0E8F75F0402@earthlink.net> <4B86D3BF.1050306@gmail.com> <4B876FF3.6000109@gmail.com> <4B88D3E2.4030302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4E5FEBAC-14E9-490C-BF81-9F5AAD32686B@gmail.com> On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:15 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: >> >> But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put >> them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. >> > Oh, that's easy, they migrate to boys boarding schools. Every time my > boys come back home they have innumerable single socks that they've > never owned before. I believe I'm fairly successful in returning them > to their rightful owners because most of them disappear after I've > washed and dried them several time;-) ... and while we're at it, what about paper clips? I'm always buying more boxes of them -- where do they all go? My suspicion is that they make their way somehow into closets and metamorphose in the dark into wire coat hangers.... Jacque, have they confirmed this in 2020? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 28 13:00:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:00:14 -0600 Subject: why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? In-Reply-To: <1267360827.2687.2.camel@gyWork> References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> <1267360827.2687.2.camel@gyWork> Message-ID: <4B8AAF2E.8030406@hyperactivesw.com> G.Wolfgang Gaich wrote: > I experimented a while with the mouseloc and realized that it's not true > that the popup opens at the mouse location when you set the mouseloc > with e.g. 'set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b")'. > In the dictionary: > If no location is specified, the menu's top left corner is at the mouse > location. > And I wondered why the popup command does not accept the new mouse > location. I just did a quick test and it looks to me like the engine doesn't use the new position until a user event occurs. This is what I did: on arrowkey pwhich if pwhich = "right" then set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn 1) get the mouseloc popup btn 1 put the mouseloc && it else pass arrowkey end if end arrowkey Nothing appears in the message box until I close the menu (correct behavior.) Then the message box contains two identical locations, both where btn 1 is, but the menu was actually displayed at the old mouse position, as you reported. But if I step through the handler in the debugger, it works as you'd expect. I think that's because I'm generating user events by stepping in the debugger. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 28 13:11:23 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:11:23 -0600 Subject: Detecting popup menu cancelation In-Reply-To: <95130FBE-A622-46B6-ADA1-3BC85EDD932A@gmail.com> References: <4B8AA610.6080302@hyperactivesw.com> <95130FBE-A622-46B6-ADA1-3BC85EDD932A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8AB1CB.2050401@hyperactivesw.com> Jeffrey Massung wrote: > On Feb 28, 2010, at 11:21 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Jeffrey Massung wrote: >>> I have a popup button that, when clicked, I change the background >>> color of a field so as to really highlight for the user exactly >>> what their action is going to be taken on. However, currently, I >>> have no way of detecting if the user chooses to do nothing >>> (cancel the popup) and subsequently return the field's background >>> color to its default. Is there some message I can key off of or >>> some other way for me to accomplish this behavior? >> Do you mean by "cancel" that the user slides off the menu without >> selecting an option? If so, try "mouseRelease". > > Yes, that's what I mean by "cancel." And no, mouseRelease doesn't > work. Tried it. :-( Oops, right, you're using a popup. Okay. In that case, the script waits until the menu is gone before continuing. So you don't need to know whether they selected anything or not, just deselect your object after the popup call. Like this: on mousedown pBtn if pBtn = 3 then set the backcolor of me to "blue" -- or any object popup btn 1 at the mouseloc -- handler waits here till menu is gone set the backcolor of me to empty end if end mousedown In the popup button script, handle the menupick normally and ignore all the selection stuff. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 28 13:33:15 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:33:15 -0800 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: <4B89F6CD.9030606@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: > The "lock screen" command should really be called "lock window". It only > prevents redraw in the front window. So you could put up a small > substack that contains only your progress bar and run it from there > while the window behind is locked and busy over on the other card. Actually Jacque, I don't believe this is the case. If you issue lock screen from any open stack (or even the message box) any visual updates in *all* open stacks are halted. At least they are on my end (Rev 4). You can test this using some simple test stacks that run looping animations. I posted a question on this issue to the list some time ago. The current (?) lock screen behavior makes it impossible to run any progress indication while the screen is locked because the screen is truly "locked". Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 28 13:43:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:43:05 -0600 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8AB939.7000204@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: > >> The "lock screen" command should really be called "lock window". It only >> prevents redraw in the front window. So you could put up a small >> substack that contains only your progress bar and run it from there >> while the window behind is locked and busy over on the other card. > > Actually Jacque, I don't believe this is the case. If you issue lock screen > from any open stack (or even the message box) any visual updates in *all* > open stacks are halted. At least they are on my end (Rev 4). You can test > this using some simple test stacks that run looping animations. I posted a > question on this issue to the list some time ago. The current (?) lock > screen behavior makes it impossible to run any progress indication while the > screen is locked because the screen is truly "locked". Oops. Thanks Scott. I guess I haven't checked on it in a while. Could have sworn it used to behave like HC did (did this change at some point or have I been wrong all along?) I shouldn't have skipped that last brain updater I guess. Apologies to the list for the misdirection. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 28 14:05:19 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:05:19 -0800 Subject: Possible data grid bug? In-Reply-To: <4B8AB939.7000204@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: >> Actually Jacque, I don't believe this is the case. If you issue lock screen >> from any open stack (or even the message box) any visual updates in *all* >> open stacks are halted. At least they are on my end (Rev 4). You can test >> this using some simple test stacks that run looping animations. I posted a >> question on this issue to the list some time ago. The current (?) lock >> screen behavior makes it impossible to run any progress indication while the >> screen is locked because the screen is truly "locked". > > Oops. Thanks Scott. I guess I haven't checked on it in a while. Could > have sworn it used to behave like HC did (did this change at some point > or have I been wrong all along?) Dude, this was exactly my point of my post! I could have sworn lock screen only locked the window from which it was issued. Maybe folks who have older versions of Rev can see whether this was the case before Rev 3/4. Regardless, it would make a useful enhancement request/bug fix. I'll write one up. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From GWolfgang at gaich.de Sun Feb 28 14:15:14 2010 From: GWolfgang at gaich.de (G.Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:15:14 +0100 Subject: why a popup-menu does not open at a new defined mouseloc? In-Reply-To: <4B8AAF2E.8030406@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100227091517.4BF2D288288@mail.runrev.com> <3B95AA04-F476-49F8-816E-42AE7D554733@sbcglobal.net> <4B8956AC.2070607@gaich.de> <1267360827.2687.2.camel@gyWork> <4B8AAF2E.8030406@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1267384514.2687.8.camel@gyWork> Hi Jacqueline, thank you for your time and your suggestion. I figured out that also a move command corrects the mouseloc for the popup command. set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn 1) move me to the loc of me --(or move this stack to the loc of this stack) Then the popup menu pops up at the loc of btn 1 Regards, Wolfgang Am Sonntag, den 28.02.2010, 12:00 -0600 schrieb J. Landman Gay: > G.Wolfgang Gaich wrote: > > > I experimented a while with the mouseloc and realized that it's not true > > that the popup opens at the mouse location when you set the mouseloc > > with e.g. 'set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn "b")'. > > In the dictionary: > > If no location is specified, the menu's top left corner is at the mouse > > location. > > And I wondered why the popup command does not accept the new mouse > > location. > > I just did a quick test and it looks to me like the engine doesn't use > the new position until a user event occurs. This is what I did: > > on arrowkey pwhich > if pwhich = "right" then > set the screenmouseloc to globalloc(the loc of btn 1) > get the mouseloc > popup btn 1 > put the mouseloc && it > else > pass arrowkey > end if > end arrowkey > > Nothing appears in the message box until I close the menu (correct > behavior.) Then the message box contains two identical locations, both > where btn 1 is, but the menu was actually displayed at the old mouse > position, as you reported. But if I step through the handler in the > debugger, it works as you'd expect. I think that's because I'm > generating user events by stepping in the debugger. > From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 28 14:57:27 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:57:27 -0800 Subject: Locking the Display of Individual Stacks (was Re: Possible data grid bug?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For folks who would like to be able to lock the display of one stack while displaying status in another stack: Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 28 15:35:22 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:35:22 -0600 Subject: Locking the Display of Individual Stacks (was Re: Possible data grid bug?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8AD38A.3040904@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > For folks who would like to be able to lock the display of one stack while > displaying status in another stack: > > Good. I added a suggestion. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Camm29 at tesco.net Sun Feb 28 15:48:49 2010 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:48:49 -0000 Subject: All Cards In-Reply-To: References: <000001cab7c2$c14dcbc0$43e96340$@net> <000301cab7df$166f3fa0$434dbee0$@net> Message-ID: <000001cab8b7$6f823290$4e8697b0$@net> Cheers guys , The loop routine works great ! In future will look at the background option. Regards Camm -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault Sent: 27 February 2010 19:46 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: All Cards I would recommend you do the following for the future development of your stack(s) go card 1 select the field "Version" go to the menu "Object", and choose "Group Selected" objects There is only one selected, but now there is a group id that contains one field. At this point, the group is only 'placed' on card 1. Select the group and use the inspector to "Behave like a background" Next, go to card 2, then the menu "Object:Place Group" and now it appears on card 1 & 2, plus will automatically appear on any new cards then select the original field "Version" and delete it. You will not need it anymore. Once you have done this for all cards (either manually or by scripted repeat loop) you can select "Share Text" and all cards will show the same text, whether it is a version number or a list of data, etc. -------------------- If you decide not to use a background group, you will need to write a repeat loop to update all of the individual fields. Also, you will have to remember to add this field to any new cards you make and put in the correct version number. In the long run it is easier to use background-group objects when developing stacks On Feb 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Camm wrote: > Its just a different fld id on each card > > Thanks > Camm > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault > Sent: 27 February 2010 15:58 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: All Cards > > Question 1 > is the field in a group, or just a different fld ID on each card? > > Question 2 > if the field is in a group, is the group set to 'behave as a > background'? > > Question 3 > If the answer to question 2 is yes, then > Does turning on the check box "Share Text" do what you want? > > > On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Camm wrote: > >> I have a fld in each card called "Version" >> >> I wish to put "Version 1.x.x" into fld "Version" of each card in the >> stack >> >> Can it be done with one line ? or am I missing something simple ? >> > Jim Ault Las Vegas _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 19:39:00 From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 28 16:41:20 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:41:20 -0800 Subject: Locking the Display of Individual Stacks (was Re: Possible data grid bug?) In-Reply-To: <4B8AD38A.3040904@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: > Scott Rossi wrote: >> For folks who would like to be able to lock the display of one stack while >> displaying status in another stack: >> >> > > Good. I added a suggestion. > lock screen = current behavior, no updates anywhere > lock window = lock only the referenced window When I was trying to think of syntax, I initially thought "lock stack" could be an option, but then realized this could imply making a stack non-writable -- not good. If "window" is a synonym for "stack", then maybe locking this object still implies making the object non-writable, but I will admit, subjectively, "lock window" *sounds* OK to me. Wasn't as easy a task as I initially imagined.... :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Feb 28 16:57:28 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:57:28 -0800 Subject: fonts: what is a "point" in Linux/Gnome? Message-ID: <4B8AE6C8.3000106@fourthworld.com> The font prefs in Ubuntu (Gnome) show "10" as the default point size for most applications, including the fonts used in menus. Yet in Rev, setting the textSize to "12" is still much smaller, and only when I bump it to "14" does it get even close to what Ubuntu considers "10". So what is a "point" in font sizes in Ubuntu/Gnome, and why does it differ so radically from Rev's rendering of font sizes? I suspect that Rev is using pixels for points, while Gnome is following a more resolution-independent definition of "point". But note that on Win and OS X, both of which are resolution-independent OSes, Rev's point sizes match those of the OS almost perfectly. This lends itself to a follow-up question: Since the days of Motif, *NIX UIs have tended toward very large controls compared to their counterparts on Mac and Win. While I appreciate the benefits of a larger target size, on balance it also seem a poor use of space, requiring common UI elements to take up much more of the screen real estate than they do on Mac and Win, and to that degree they take away focus from the user's content. What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? And is there any hope that over the long term, as Linux become ever more gentrified, end-users will demand more of the screen space back and those making window managers will satisfy their audience with more conventional control sizes? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bobcole at earthlink.net Sun Feb 28 17:26:26 2010 From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Robert Cole) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:26:26 -0600 Subject: an annual calendar somewhere? Message-ID: Andr?: I continue to have fun with your calendar question. I just uploaded another stack called "Calendar Lines" that produces a one-line-per-month format. It also allows you to transpose the calendar into a one-column-per- month. I wrote a transpose function that uses the split command and the extents function. I haven't tried to select a range of dates, yet. If this is of interest, download "Calendar Lines" from RevOnline and take a look. Bob ---------- Thank you much Bob for this nice calendar. Also, thanks to the others who added comments, results of trials and elaborated. I was not waiting for such a "rush" on this topic ;-)) However, my problem is not solved with this kind of layout. Mostly I need that the user be able to highlight periods of the year. For example periods when a holidays' house has been rented (or is plan to be rented). With the present layout that can't be done. One can't drag (in order to highlight) from jan. 2 to jan 9 for example, or from jan. 30 to feb 6 etc That why I am looking for an annual calendar with 12 rows/lines, one for each month ( or might be 12 columns). Andr?, if you need some examples have a look to the lab experiment 009 http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68:experiment-009-playing-with-the-david-becks-calendar-lib&catid=35:lab&Itemid=53 HTH, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 28 18:05:33 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:05:33 -0600 Subject: Locking the Display of Individual Stacks (was Re: Possible data grid bug?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8AF6BD.8000000@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: > >> Scott Rossi wrote: >>> For folks who would like to be able to lock the display of one stack while >>> displaying status in another stack: >>> >>> >> Good. I added a suggestion. > >> lock screen = current behavior, no updates anywhere >> lock window = lock only the referenced window > > When I was trying to think of syntax, I initially thought "lock stack" could > be an option, but then realized this could imply making a stack non-writable > -- not good. If "window" is a synonym for "stack", then maybe locking this > object still implies making the object non-writable, but I will admit, > subjectively, "lock window" *sounds* OK to me. > > Wasn't as easy a task as I initially imagined.... :-) Doesn't matter. If Mr Waddingham implements it, he's likely to have his own syntax ideas. And to be honest, most of the time he's right. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Feb 28 18:33:20 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:33:20 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Revolution.mode - Revolution syntax coloring for CODA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We were talking about his last week. I went ahead and tacked all Revolution keywords into the document. All Functions, Commands, Properties and Control Structures are used. Installation info included. I also include a Revolution.seestyle to set the style to a starting point. REVOLUTION.MODE FOR CODA I will be posting it to the SubEthraEdit site but the Rev lists get it first. sqb ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev From cubist at aol.com Sun Feb 28 23:33:18 2010 From: cubist at aol.com (cubist at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:33:18 -0500 Subject: Life-cycle of paper clips (was: Re: Conference-DVDs arrived) In-Reply-To: <20100228180004.404A628802E@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100228180004.404A628802E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8CC870F73740950-4760-17F73@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> >On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:15 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay> wrote: >>> But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put >>> them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. >> Oh, that's easy, they migrate to boys boarding schools. Every time my >> boys come back home they have innumerable single socks that they've >> never owned before. I believe I'm fairly successful in returning them >> to their rightful owners because most of them disappear after I've >> washed and dried them several time;-)... > and while we're at it, what about paper clips? I'm always buying > more boxes of them -- where do they all go? My suspicion is that they > make their way somehow into closets and metamorphose in the dark into > wire coat hangers.... Jacque, have they confirmed this in 2020? I believe the definitive paper on the reproductive and migratory habits of paper clips was OR ALL THE SEAS WITH OYSTERS (A. Davidson, 1958). ANTHRO fantasy and science fiction: It's furry. It's the *good* stuff. Always free online: http://anthrozine.com Offline: ANTHROlogy One ( http://www.lulu.com/content/536807 ) THE HUMAN MEMOIRS ( http://www.lulu.com/content/541536 ), etc From massung at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 23:53:36 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:53:36 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Revolution.mode - Revolution syntax coloring for CODA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kick ass. I have nothing more to say. ;-) Jeff M. On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:33 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > > REVOLUTION.MODE FOR CODA >