From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  1 00:04:48 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:04:48 -0400
Subject: [OT] Styled Text in iWeb
In-Reply-To: <20090901032548.4571D48AE1A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090901032548.4571D48AE1A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F4411EBA-56BA-4032-881E-CCE03EF66B22@videotron.ca>

Thanks again for the heads up, Sarah.  I had started cutting and  
pasting bits of source code from text boxes but was probably taking  
the wrong stuff.  I'll take a stab at the tags you've suggested below.

	Regards,

		Gregory


On 31-Aug-09, at 11:25 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> You'll need to look at the source of the page produced by iWeb and
> find a section that is formatted the way you want.
> It may just be enclosed in tags that take their default format from
> the style sheet, in which case you just need to apply those tags.
> Or it may be set to a particular style, in which case you need to
> apply that style as well.
>
> e.g. if you find a section you want to copy looks like this:
>    <p>Here is some text</p>
> Then you just need to start your text with "<p>" and end it with "</ 
> p>"
> The 'p' could be anything, representing any type of tag.
>
> If you find a section you want to copy looks like any of these:
>    <div class="textbox">Here is some text</div>
>    <span class="textbox">Here is some text</span>
>    <div style="font-family: serif">Here is some text</div>
> Then you need to surround your text with the appropriate tags, not
> forgetting to insert the quotes as required.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 00:05:42 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:05:42 -0700
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
In-Reply-To: <908EE9EA-9749-4069-A16F-15A2BD4597ED@videotron.ca>
References: <908EE9EA-9749-4069-A16F-15A2BD4597ED@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <8A91F78D-8F72-49A8-A44B-6FFDCFAD7BE3@yahoo.com>

Caution:
You can change the time that Rev (or any program) gets on your  
computer by simply setting your computer clock to anything you like.   
The same thing can happen on any computer or server.  Just ask a large  
company that has servers in different cities and countries.

The key to iRev servers is that they are probably extremely stable and  
constantly updated to one of the atomic clock sites.
One issue of daylight savings (especially in the state of Indiana) is  
that some counties will change their clocks and others will not.

Another issue is that the last daylight savings change in the Spring  
was done one week later in the UK than in the US.  The result was two  
time changes 7 days apart.

A computer program running on a processor can have functions that ask  
the processor for date and time info, but daylight savings changes are  
external to the processor.
If you write a function that gets the seconds at midnight each day,  
then see if it is 24.0 hours after the previous midnight, you know the  
processor has not changed the time zone or time shift in its control  
panel settings.

If you have a local processor and one at iRev, you need to track this  
for each processor and maintain the correct offset ( +1, -1, 0 ).  You  
might want to study GMT options and use one of those.

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault


On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Just a little more detail on my previous post.  Would appreciate  
> anyone confirming that iRev does not adjust for local Daylight  
> Savings Time or I've misunderstood something because this has the  
> potential to really mess up my work if I get it wrong.
>
> There's a difference of one hour as this code in iRev
>
> <?rev
> put the seconds & "</br>"
> convert the seconds to dateItems
> put it & "</br>"
> put the long time
> ?>
>
> returns
>
> 1251773601
> 2009,8,31,21,53,21,2
> 9:53:21 PM
>
> and the equivalent handler in Revolution
>
> put the seconds
> convert the seconds to dateItems
> put return & it after msg
> put return & the long time after msg
>
> run three seconds later, returns
>
> 1251773604
> 2009,8,31,22,53,24,2
> 10:53:24 PM
>
> Sigh,
>
> 	Gregory
> 	Frustrated in Montreal (DST)
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Jim Ault
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  1 00:06:15 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:06:15 -0400
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
Message-ID: <F94BB9DC-E0B5-4A75-BDC3-1C394812884C@videotron.ca>

Thank you Sarah, Jim, Stephan, and Thomas!

Dang, Texas.  Birthplace of Buddy Holly and Collings guitars, and a  
one-hour time difference from Montreal, which appeared to my deceived  
eyes (as so aptly pointed out by Sarah) as the lack of adjustment for  
DST.  Can be fixed.

	Regards,

		Gregory


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep  1 04:24:44 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 01:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] tRev's Raptor feature now available!
In-Reply-To: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>
References: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>
Message-ID: <25236284.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jerry, I'm still puzzled about this.  Is it a Rev stack?  And if so, why
won't it run on Linux?  When you go to the buy page, you don't seem to have
to specify a Windows or a Mac version, it seems like one size fits both.

Peter
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--tRev%27s-Raptor-feature-now-available%21-tp25217084p25236284.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 07:26:11 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:26:11 +0100
Subject: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
In-Reply-To: <881DA830EE5E4F6894B17E59A7886F53@BillPC>
References: <881DA830EE5E4F6894B17E59A7886F53@BillPC>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0909010426le7264b1id7229d7364f9c215@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded an OS X utility (chmox) that can open Windows-only help
files (.chm) files.  So now I can read the documentation you linked
to.  You say you can use this FM documentation in a browser, but
surely that is only on Windows?  Or does FM on OS X install something
that enables you to view it in Safari?

It's not clear me why you think that FM help is better than the
documentation that comes with Revolution.  Maybe the OS X utility does
not render the chm file the way you see it on Windows, so I could be
missing something.

Revolution has:
a) the User Guide in PDF and hard copy formats
b) the Dictionary for reference purposes (also in hard copy format)
c) the introductory and tutorial material in the Resource Center
(which have downloadable stacks, demo vidoes, and the tutorial can be
viewed in PDF format).

The FM help documentation seems to me to offer only 1 thing that the
Rev docs don't: everything is in one place and can be reached by
drilling-down using the disclosure triangles.  I can see why someone
might think that is useful, as there is only one place to look.  But
it could also be a hinderance once one no longer needs the bulk of
that material, but one still has to d

But as far as a new user learning what a tool is all about, I think
the RunRev way is better:
i) a simple book that takes one on a tour of the environment and the
paradigm behind Revolution
ii) individual tutorials that include the material necessary to
complete each tutorial, AND a video

The Rev User Guide and tutorials are far more visiual than the FM
help.  I'm surprised to look through that .chm file and see how
un-visual it is.

And once one is past the learning stage, then as a user the Reference
component of the FM help would also really annoy me and get in my way.
  Rev's dictionary is separate from the rest of the help because once
one is over the initial learning stage, one needs it to be ready to
hand but not obstructive.

Also, when one bears in mind that Rev is a tool with which one could
actually build something like FM, one might expect that the
documentation for FM would be easier to write.  FM has a much more
delimited field of operation: the tutorial material can be focussed on
a smaller area and can be exhaustive.

Please tell me why you think there is something for RunRev to learn
from the way FM has done it.  Is it just that having the User Guide,
the tutorials/videos, and the Dictionary in different places is the
problem?

Maybe there are other components to the FM documentation that would
cover some of the failings I've mentioned.


Bernard

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:21 PM, William Moseid<modelmasters1 at cox.net> wrote:
> The D/L link is a compressed Help File (fmpro_help) that one can use in a
> browser. What Help? ?Well, in this case it is Filemaker. The reason for including it
> is to illustrate a reasonable approach for new to expert Revolution developers
> as another way to present Help for Revolution.
>
> This is a compiled html file visable in a browser:
> http://www.fmpsolutions.com/fmpro_help.zip


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  1 14:28:01 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:28:01 -0400
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
In-Reply-To: <20090901170004.B6AE6489407@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090901170004.B6AE6489407@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5F781AAC-86AF-4D13-8EB2-26346A44F01A@videotron.ca>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your thoughtful response.  I had grappled with DST in  
another project that involved press releases that were time stamp  
GMT.  It was tricky.  I like your idea of getting the seconds every  
day at midnight.  That's clever, and I think I can incorporate that  
into my site.  Sarah has a cool time conversion page on her TrozWare  
site that I am going to study as well.

Regards,

	Gregory


On Tue 1 Sep 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Caution:
> You can change the time that Rev (or any program) gets on your
> computer by simply setting your computer clock to anything you like.
> The same thing can happen on any computer or server.  Just ask a large
> company that has servers in different cities and countries.
>
> The key to iRev servers is that they are probably extremely stable and
> constantly updated to one of the atomic clock sites.
> One issue of daylight savings (especially in the state of Indiana) is
> that some counties will change their clocks and others will not.
>
> Another issue is that the last daylight savings change in the Spring
> was done one week later in the UK than in the US.  The result was two
> time changes 7 days apart.
>
> A computer program running on a processor can have functions that ask
> the processor for date and time info, but daylight savings changes are
> external to the processor.
> If you write a function that gets the seconds at midnight each day,
> then see if it is 24.0 hours after the previous midnight, you know the
> processor has not changed the time zone or time shift in its control
> panel settings.
>
> If you have a local processor and one at iRev, you need to track this
> for each processor and maintain the correct offset ( +1, -1, 0 ).  You
> might want to study GMT options and use one of those.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jim Ault



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Sep  1 17:04:55 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:04:55 +0200
Subject: Datagrid Form style and closefieldEditor
Message-ID: <F36B044E-1DB6-4136-BCAD-82EF341EA121@skynet.be>

Hi list,


I have a problem


when i write such a sriipt in the datagrid behavior script of a  
datagrid in a form style :

on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor
    SetDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the short name of me, the text  
of pFieldEditor
end CloseFieldEditor

The text of the fld in the datagrid is not updated !!

if I ask

on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor
   answer the dgIndex of me&","&the short name of me&","the text of  
pFieldEditor
end CloseFieldEditor
all the params are correct and the text of pFieldEditor contains the  
updated txt ...?

what is wrong ?


Thanks


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 17:13:34 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:13:34 -0700
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
In-Reply-To: <5F781AAC-86AF-4D13-8EB2-26346A44F01A@videotron.ca>
References: <20090901170004.B6AE6489407@mail.runrev.com>
	<5F781AAC-86AF-4D13-8EB2-26346A44F01A@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <2623FCB2-038C-4ED1-9F3F-557DC8568BFA@yahoo.com>


On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your thoughtful response.  I had grappled with DST in  
> another project that involved press releases that were time stamp  
> GMT.  It was tricky.  I like your idea of getting the seconds every  
> day at midnight.  That's clever, and I think I can incorporate that  
> into my site.  Sarah has a cool time conversion page on her TrozWare  
> site that I am going to study as well.

Glad you are getting to the bottom of this issue.
Remember, getting the seconds only does so for the operating system  
Rev is running on.  I believe it will be the same for iRev, so when  
they switch in Texas, you will see the change, then be able to compare  
to your local value to see if that changes on the same evening.

I am going to be diving into iRev and time zone changes around the  
world on web servers beginning the end of September, so this same  
issue lies in my immediate future.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From paulgabel at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 17:36:10 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:36:10 -0700
Subject: Creating a standalone (choice dimmed)
Message-ID: <88B048CC-0723-47BF-9FE6-55AC5A0DB68C@comcast.net>

Dear list members:

I have created standalones many times, but all of a sudden, when I  
choose "Save as Standalone Application" from the Rev File menu and the  
desktop appears, the rev file I'm trying to create a standalone from  
is dimmed. Anyone have any ideas of what I might be doing wrong (if  
anything)? Thank you.

Paul Gabel
Rev 3.5
iMac
Mac OS X 10.5.8


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 18:03:04 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:03:04 +1000
Subject: Creating a standalone (choice dimmed)
In-Reply-To: <88B048CC-0723-47BF-9FE6-55AC5A0DB68C@comcast.net>
References: <88B048CC-0723-47BF-9FE6-55AC5A0DB68C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8787A76A-6EC2-4F1E-90AF-8FEAF407C86F@gmail.com>

When you select "Save as standalone", it asks for a folder where you  
want the standalone to be saved. The Rev stack you are building needs  
to be loaded into Rev already.

Since it is looking for a folder at that stage, all files should be  
greyed out and you should only be able to select folders.

Cheers,
Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

On 02/09/2009, at 7:36 AM, Gabel Paul <paulgabel at comcast.net> wrote:

> Dear list members:
>
> I have created standalones many times, but all of a sudden, when I  
> choose "Save as Standalone Application" from the Rev File menu and  
> the desktop appears, the rev file I'm trying to create a standalone  
> from is dimmed. Anyone have any ideas of what I might be doing wrong  
> (if anything)? Thank you.
>
> Paul Gabel
> Rev 3.5
> iMac
> Mac OS X 10.5.8
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep  1 18:26:03 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:26:03 -0400
Subject: Datagrid Form style and closefieldEditor
In-Reply-To: <F36B044E-1DB6-4136-BCAD-82EF341EA121@skynet.be>
References: <F36B044E-1DB6-4136-BCAD-82EF341EA121@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <1FB13862-266C-4561-BD6B-87F33CB28F9B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> when i write such a sriipt in the datagrid behavior script of a  
> datagrid in a form style :
>
> on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor
>   SetDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the short name of me, the text  
> of pFieldEditor
> end CloseFieldEditor
>
> The text of the fld in the datagrid is not updated !!
>
> ...
>
> what is wrong ?

When calling SetDataOfIndex the data grid does not refresh itself so  
that is most likely the problem. I imagine you got the code from <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4668-How-Do-I-Open-a-Table-Cell-For-Editing- 
 > and it appears the example there is incorrect.

I've updated the lesson with code that should work. Does this work for  
you?

on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor
    put the dgIndex of me into theIndex
    put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me into theDataA
    put the text of pFieldEditor into theDataA[the dgColumn] of me
    set the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me to theDataA
end CloseFieldEditor

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Sep  1 23:43:40 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 05:43:40 +0200
Subject: DataGrid - drag & Drop rearranging order
Message-ID: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>


Can anyone tell me if one can drag & drop to rearrange the order of  
items in a datagrid field?

Has anyone used it and are there any issues with it?


sims

From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Sep  2 01:39:22 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:39:22 +0200
Subject: Datagrid Form style and closefieldEditor
In-Reply-To: <1FB13862-266C-4561-BD6B-87F33CB28F9B@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F36B044E-1DB6-4136-BCAD-82EF341EA121@skynet.be>
	<1FB13862-266C-4561-BD6B-87F33CB28F9B@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <82777BC0-C666-4E54-9C64-696FA9A38ECA@skynet.be>


Le 2 sept. 09 ? 00:26, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> when i write such a sriipt in the datagrid behavior script of a  
>> datagrid in a form style :
>>
>> on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor
>>  SetDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the short name of me, the text  
>> of pFieldEditor
>> end CloseFieldEditor
>>
>> The text of the fld in the datagrid is not updated !!
>>
>> ...
>>
>> what is wrong ?
>
> When calling SetDataOfIndex the data grid does not refresh itself so  
> that is most likely the problem. I imagine you got the code from <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4668-How-Do-I-Open-a-Table-Cell-For-Editing- 
> > and it appears the example there is incorrect.
>
> I've updated the lesson with code that should work. Does this work  
> for you?
>
> on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor
>   put the dgIndex of me into theIndex
>   put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me into theDataA
>   put the text of pFieldEditor into theDataA[the dgColumn] of me
>   set the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me to theDataA
> end CloseFieldEditor
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
>

Hi Trevor,

Now it works correctly.

thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From wow at together.net  Wed Sep  2 02:28:41 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:28:41 -0400
Subject: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <25236284.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>
	<25236284.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>

I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings, it is 
not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive. Seems that 
Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right? If so, where is a 
reliable, safe place to write a file (which will soon thereafter be 
deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Sep  2 02:59:33 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:59:33 +1000
Subject: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
Message-ID: <C6C454F5.5DAC%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

What about trying specialfolderpath("temporary") or 'the tempname'?

Terry...


On 2/09/09 4:28 PM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:

> I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings, it is
> not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive. Seems that
> Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right? If so, where is a
> reliable, safe place to write a file (which will soon thereafter be
> deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> _______________________________________________
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep  2 02:51:15 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 02:51:15 -0400
Subject: DataGrid - drag & Drop rearranging order
In-Reply-To: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>
References: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <84E10C1E-5017-44CC-AB35-77A7C65120CB@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:43 PM, jim sims wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if one can drag & drop to rearrange the order of  
> items in a datagrid field?
>
> Has anyone used it and are there any issues with it?

Are you watching the conference today? I just might be posting an  
updated data grid with built in support for this and showing how to do  
it :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Sep  2 03:04:55 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:04:55 +0200
Subject: AW: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
Message-ID: <C0A1CFB8A7884D568EFF71481674594A@Kestner.local>

Hi Richard,

I think documents will be fine, but have a look at Kens great table:
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm

Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Miller
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 08:29
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Safe place to write a file under Vista
> 
> I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings, it is
> not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive. Seems that
> Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right? If so, where is a
> reliable, safe place to write a file (which will soon thereafter be
> deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
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From wow at together.net  Wed Sep  2 03:08:32 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:08:32 -0400
Subject: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <C6C454F5.5DAC%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C6C454F5.5DAC%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4A9E19F0.6030700@together.net>

Thanks, Terry. That sounds like the best bet.
Richard




Terry Judd wrote:
> What about trying specialfolderpath("temporary") or 'the tempname'?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 2/09/09 4:28 PM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings, it is
>> not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive. Seems that
>> Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right? If so, where is a
>> reliable, safe place to write a file (which will soon thereafter be
>> deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Sep  2 03:24:01 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:24:01 +0200
Subject: DataGrid - drag & Drop rearranging order
In-Reply-To: <84E10C1E-5017-44CC-AB35-77A7C65120CB@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>
	<84E10C1E-5017-44CC-AB35-77A7C65120CB@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <A1700D05-6A03-4CEE-862E-6410D9CD7A8D@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:43 PM, jim sims wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me if one can drag & drop to rearrange the order of  
>> items in a datagrid field?
>>
>> Has anyone used it and are there any issues with it?
>
> Are you watching the conference today? I just might be posting an  
> updated data grid with built in support for this and showing how to  
> do it :-)

Unfortunately I will not be watching it.

How soon will that feature become available? I need to have rows with  
a few words and one image that can be rearranged in order - that would  
be extremely helpful for a project I'm working on.

sims







From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Sep  2 04:55:02 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:55:02 -0400
Subject: Great Speech Kevin
Message-ID: <4DEE23E0-5395-4925-8DDA-C9F7100910B6@mac.com>

Great Speech Kevin.

I feel very good about the future of Revolution and my investment in  
time, effort and money in this Program and Company.

Thank you

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html








From lists at futilism.com  Wed Sep  2 05:10:24 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:10:24 +0100
Subject: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
References: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>
	<25236284.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
Message-ID: <5E51BF7B-A08F-456F-9C06-CDF861841BA7@futilism.com>

Richard - 'the tempname' might be what you're after. ie.

put the tempname into tFile
-- do stuff with the file
delete file tFile

On my OS X machine, "put the tempname" gives this:
/private/var/tmp/folders.501/TemporaryItems/tmp0
(repeated calls will increment that trailing zero)

What it would be on windows, I don't know, but it will be an  
appropriate equivalent.

Best,

Mark



On 2 Sep 2009, at 07:28, Richard Miller wrote:

> I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings,  
> it is not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive.  
> Seems that Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right?  
> If so, where is a reliable, safe place to write a file (which will  
> soon thereafter be deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 05:13:30 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:13:30 +0100
Subject: Font colours, Patterns . . . revlets
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909020213r7ff9e838q46394ba99709418b@mail.gmail.com>

I just popped together 2 fairly 'baby' revlets and noticed that textColor in
both flds and btns is inconsistent.
I also could not change the backgroundPattern: Yes, I am aware that patterns
are probably required as an extra inclusion
in standalones, but when setting up the standalone settings I was not
offered that option.

While I'm "here", I also ran off a revlet of my beta Sanskrit typewriter -

1. Palettised substacks appear BEHIND the browser window.

2. Screws up fairly badly with Swami Omkarananda's Sanskrit2003 font (and,
presumably will with my own
when it is completed as it is following that semi-standard. It shows
standard unicode chars but not the
extra ones in the private space of the Basic Multilingual Plane.

[However, if the end-user has the font installed in their system things work
OK]


From wow at together.net  Wed Sep  2 07:49:33 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:49:33 -0400
Subject: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <5E51BF7B-A08F-456F-9C06-CDF861841BA7@futilism.com>
References: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>	<25236284.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
	<5E51BF7B-A08F-456F-9C06-CDF861841BA7@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <4A9E5BCD.8090608@together.net>

Thanks Mark.
Richard



Mark Smith wrote:
> Richard - 'the tempname' might be what you're after. ie.
>
> put the tempname into tFile
> -- do stuff with the file
> delete file tFile
>
> On my OS X machine, "put the tempname" gives this:
> /private/var/tmp/folders.501/TemporaryItems/tmp0
> (repeated calls will increment that trailing zero)
>
> What it would be on windows, I don't know, but it will be an 
> appropriate equivalent.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 07:28, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings, it 
>> is not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive. Seems 
>> that Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right? If so, 
>> where is a reliable, safe place to write a file (which will soon 
>> thereafter be deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Wed Sep  2 11:58:58 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:58:58 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <CDAADE90-09A5-4274-8F52-645130539BA9@clubtype.co.uk>

Len,

Trying this FUNCTION and the' to use' right afterwards gives an error:

On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>
> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>   put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>   set the itemdelimiter to slash
>   put pFile into the last item of theFile
>   return theFile
> END getPathToFile
>
> --To use:
> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
> launch tFile
>
> That should do it.
>
> len morgan

The error I get is:
Type		Handler: error in command
Object	OK
Line		FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
Hint		FUNCTION

I've tried 'start FUNCTION', 'end FUNCTION' and other combinations but  
get the same error.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Adrian


From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Sep  2 12:00:56 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 06:00:56 -1000
Subject: Safe place to write a file under Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
References: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>	<25236284.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A9E1099.8030508@together.net>
Message-ID: <00b701ca2be6$8ed70890$ac8519b0$@com>

Richard Miller wrote:

> I am finding that, on some Vista machines with some user settings, it
> is
> not possible to write a file from Rev to the root C drive. Seems that
> Vista blocks this action. Does that sound about right? If so, where is
> a
> reliable, safe place to write a file (which will soon thereafter be
> deleted)? Is specialfolderpath("documents") safe?

This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. ;-) Documents, which under XP and
previous versions of Windows was called My Documents, is "safe" to write to
by an application in the sense that the UAC of the OS will not prevent
writing to this directory. 

However, this directory is really for what it used to be called "My"
Documents. This means .DOC, .XLS, .TXT, etc. that I, as a user created. It
is very annoying to a Windows user to see application data showing up in
this directory. If I want to get back to a DOC I recently created, I often
sort by Last Modified Date and it is annoying to see files created by some
application, which are "garbage" to me.

It is better to use the ProgramData (in Vista or Application Data in XP and
previous) for this purpose. Always create a subdirectory under this
directory for your application first. And be aware, if you are storing
settings or a database that needs to be accessed by more than one user of a
system, then Application Data (or Documents, for that matter) will vary by
user where ProgramData (on Vista) or the Application Data of All Users is
best for storing common data.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Wed Sep  2 12:10:05 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:10:05 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>

Len or anyone else have an answer to this,

'end FUNCTION' gives the error:

Handler: error in command
Object	OK
Line		FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
Hint		FUNCTION

On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>
> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>   put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>   set the itemdelimiter to slash
>   put pFile into the last item of theFile
>   return theFile
> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>
> --To use:
> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
> launch tFile
>
> That should do it.
>
> len morgan

Ideas?
Thanks,
Adrian


From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Wed Sep  2 12:13:14 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:13:14 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>

Hi Adrian,
at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the name  
of the function - you don't include the parameter list.

On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:

> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>
> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>
> Handler: error in command
> Object	OK
> Line		FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
> Hint		FUNCTION
>
> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>
>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>  put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>  set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>  put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>  return theFile
>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>
>> --To use:
>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>> launch tFile
>>
>> That should do it.
>>
>> len morgan
>
> Ideas?
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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Street
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I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this  
ointment.






From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Wed Sep  2 12:14:09 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:14:09 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <D597ED76-9628-4849-84F1-410A21924549@liverpool.ac.uk>

Oops, I meant to say you don't include a parameter list, or the word  
"function" again.

On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the name
> of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>
>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>
>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>
>> Handler: error in command
>> Object	OK
>> Line		FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>> Hint		FUNCTION
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>>
>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>> return theFile
>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>
>>> --To use:
>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>> launch tFile
>>>
>>> That should do it.
>>>
>>> len morgan
>>
>> Ideas?
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
>> _______________________________________________
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> Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton
> Street
> Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
> I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this
> ointment.
>
>
>
>
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Street
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I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this  
ointment.






From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Wed Sep  2 12:16:24 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:16:24 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>

Phil,
Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
Adrian

On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the  
> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>
>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>
>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>
>> Handler: error in command
>> Object	OK
>> Line		FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>> Hint		FUNCTION
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>>
>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>> return theFile
>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>
>>> --To use:
>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>> launch tFile
>>>
>>> That should do it.
>>>
>>> len morgan
>>
>> Ideas?
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
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> --
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> Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building,  
> Ashton Street
> Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
> I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this  
> ointment.
>
>
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep  2 12:17:33 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:17:33 +0100
Subject: [SIMULCAST/RunRevLive] MultiUser Databases with MySQL
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909020917x36ee207ex9a5607f8e670d9bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

the files for my session are located at
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/invoice.zip

any feedback is appreciated.

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Wed Sep  2 12:18:03 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:18:03 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6718AA00-1178-43F8-9A1B-BAF817C52B98@liverpool.ac.uk>

You need end, and the name of the function you're ending (but not the  
word "function").

FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
  put the filename of this stack into the theFile
  set the itemdelimiter to slash
  put pFile into the last item of theFile
  return theFile
end getPathToFile


On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:16, Adrian Williams wrote:

> Phil,
> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
> Adrian
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>
>> Hi Adrian,
>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the
>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>
>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>
>>> Handler: error in command
>>> Object	OK
>>> Line		FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>> Hint		FUNCTION
>>>
>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of  
>>>> code:
>>>>
>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>> return theFile
>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>
>>>> --To use:
>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>> launch tFile
>>>>
>>>> That should do it.
>>>>
>>>> len morgan
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adrian
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>> --
>> Phil Jimmieson  phil at liverpool.ac.uk
>> Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building,
>> Ashton Street
>> Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
>> I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this
>> ointment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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--
Phil Jimmieson  phil at liverpool.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton  
Street
Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this  
ointment.






From paulgabel at comcast.net  Wed Sep  2 12:20:27 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:20:27 -0700
Subject: Creating a standalone (choice dimmed)
In-Reply-To: <8787A76A-6EC2-4F1E-90AF-8FEAF407C86F@gmail.com>
References: <88B048CC-0723-47BF-9FE6-55AC5A0DB68C@comcast.net>
	<8787A76A-6EC2-4F1E-90AF-8FEAF407C86F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEE87D6C-B0E0-4E9B-9851-026426251B9C@comcast.net>

Hi Sarah:

Thanks. You're (obviously) right. But I'm sure that I used to select  
desktop files that were not in a folder. Was this changed in Rev 3.5,  
or am I just "losing it"? If it's the latter, then please don't reply.

PAul Gabel

--------------

On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> When you select "Save as standalone", it asks for a folder where you  
> want the standalone to be saved. The Rev stack you are building  
> needs to be loaded into Rev already.
>
> Since it is looking for a folder at that stage, all files should be  
> greyed out and you should only be able to select folders.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 02/09/2009, at 7:36 AM, Gabel Paul <paulgabel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members:
>>
>> I have created standalones many times, but all of a sudden, when I  
>> choose "Save as Standalone Application" from the Rev File menu and  
>> the desktop appears, the rev file I'm trying to create a standalone  
>> from is dimmed. Anyone have any ideas of what I might be doing  
>> wrong (if anything)? Thank you.
>>
>> Paul Gabel
>> Rev 3.5
>> iMac
>> Mac OS X 10.5.8
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep  2 13:26:16 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:26:16 -0700
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>

So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which the 
error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of that 
object look like?

Phil Davis



Adrian Williams wrote:
> Phil,
> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
> Adrian
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>
>> Hi Adrian,
>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the 
>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>
>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>
>>> Handler: error in command
>>> Object    OK
>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>
>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>>>
>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>> return theFile
>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>
>>>> --To use:
>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>> launch tFile
>>>>
>>>> That should do it.
>>>>
>>>> len morgan
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adrian

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Sep  2 15:22:21 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:22:21 +0200
Subject: EditFieldText in datagrid
Message-ID: <9CDD20A5-7F15-4388-B5FA-BC83FC9C5702@skynet.be>

Hi list


when I use the command

EditFieldText the long id of the target, the dgIndex of me, theKey

I can edit the text of the fld : Ok

but
If I type a return in the txt (to create a new line) the  
CloseFieldEditor command is sent and the text is no further editable
Is it possible to make a distinction between "return" and "enter" in  
the edited fld ?


Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep  2 15:59:48 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:59:48 -0400
Subject: DataGrid - drag & Drop rearranging order
In-Reply-To: <A1700D05-6A03-4CEE-862E-6410D9CD7A8D@ezpzapps.com>
References: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>
	<84E10C1E-5017-44CC-AB35-77A7C65120CB@mangomultimedia.com>
	<A1700D05-6A03-4CEE-862E-6410D9CD7A8D@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <261B63DE-50CB-43EA-BC7D-AD8C6108783C@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 2, 2009, at 3:24 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>
>> Are you watching the conference today? I just might be posting an  
>> updated data grid with built in support for this and showing how to  
>> do it :-)
>
> Unfortunately I will not be watching it.
>
> How soon will that feature become available? I need to have rows  
> with a few words and one image that can be rearranged in order -  
> that would be extremely helpful for a project I'm working on.

You can download the test version I shared at the conference here:
<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/tools/revdatagridlibrary.rev.zip 
 >

This lesson shows how to upgrade it:
<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/buckets/tutorials/lessons/6186-Upgrading-the-Data-Grid-Library 
 >

After installing the update you can add the following dragStart  
handler to your data grid group.

on dragStart
    put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl

    ## Watch out for dragging on the header
    if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart

    ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
    put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex

    ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row
    ## that theIndex is associated with
    set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex

    ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation begins
    set the dragData["private"] to empty

    ## Tell Data Grid to track drag reordering
    set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
end dragStart

After the user reorders a line the Data Grid will receive the  
DragReorderDrop message. Here is the basic code that will set the new  
line position of the row that was dragged and redraw the grid.

on DragReorderDrop pOriginatingIndex, pStartLine, pDroppedOnLine
    if pStartLine is not pDroppedOnLine then
       ## Tell data grid about new order
       SetLineOfIndex pOriginatingIndex, pDroppedOnLine

       ## redraw the data grid after this message has finished running
       send "RefreshList" to me in 0 seconds
    end if
end DragReorderDrop


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems


From UseRevolution.04.23.2009 at skippingpebbles.com  Wed Sep  2 16:07:49 2009
From: UseRevolution.04.23.2009 at skippingpebbles.com (Eddie)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:07:49 -0400
Subject: revWebInstaller Installation On Windows Confusion
Message-ID: <4A9ED095.2030307@skippingpebbles.com>

On the Windows platform I use a regular user account for day-to-day use 
and elevate my privileges to "admin" as necessary for software 
installations, maintenance, etc.  I installed the revWebInstaller as the 
"admin", but when logged on as the "user" none of my web browsers 
(FireFox 3.5 and IE7) saw that the plug-in was installed (i.e. same 
prompt appears as if you do not have the plug-in).  Logging in as the 
"admin" works just fine and that account sees the plug-in as being 
installed.  I ran revWebInstaller under my "user" account and things 
seem to work properly now, but I am confused by this behavior.  Is the 
revWebInstaller supposed to "install" for just the user who runs the 
installer or all users?


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Sep  2 17:05:54 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:05:54 -0500
Subject: Revlet: server files() and folders()
Message-ID: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Is it possible for a revlet to get the detailed files() and folders() on
the server, instead of the temporary folder it's downloaded to?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Sep  2 17:46:20 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:46:20 +0000
Subject: Revlet: server files() and folders()
Message-ID: <000385F8.4A9F03C9@the-office.us>

Hi,

as far as i know no. The revlet is executed on the machine where it was downloaded to. But you could use php or irev code to list files or folders on that server. This code then is called by the revlet. 


Regards,

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Revlet: server files() and folders() (02-Sep-2009 23:11)
From:    Derek Bump <userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Is it possible for a revlet to get the detailed files() and folders() on
> the server, instead of the temporary folder it's downloaded to?
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep  2 17:56:41 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:56:41 +0100
Subject: Revlet: server files() and folders()
In-Reply-To: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A9EEA19.9040907@hyperactivesw.com>

Derek Bump wrote:
> Is it possible for a revlet to get the detailed files() and folders() on
> the server, instead of the temporary folder it's downloaded to?

Not directly. You can do one of two things. The first way is to send an 
ftp request for a folder, and you'll get a file listing back. You must 
include your username and password in the url or the server will say you 
don't have permissions. It looks like this:

  get url ("ftp://username:password at www.mydomain.com/folderIWant/")

The trailing slash is important.

Easier is the way we did it in our Day Zero session, if you have an 
on-rev account: create a small iRev file on the server like this:

<?rev
   set the defaultfolder to folderIWant
   put the files
?>

Then from your stack, you call the iRev file:

  get url ("http://www.mydomain.com/irevFileName.irev")

Works slick.

You could also create an old-style cgi to return the info too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep  2 19:22:51 2009
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:22:51 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard problem on a Mac Air
In-Reply-To: <4A9EEA19.9040907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A9EEA19.9040907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3C5C808A-E6D5-4094-BF74-CFE2A9E58419@embarqmail.com>

One user of my Patent Grabber application has reported that the app  
simply opens and quits now that he has upgraded to Snow Leopard. Here  
is his message:

-----------------------

Dear Sir,

I upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6 then the patent grabber 5.6 version will  
automatic close it when I try to open the program.

I have Mac Air information of my machine as the following  
(Traditional Chinese version)


????:	MacBook Air
   ?????:	MacBookAir2,1
   ?????:	Intel Core 2 Duo
   ?????:	1.86 GHz
   ?????:	1
   ?????:	2
   L2 ?????:	6 MB
   ???:	2 GB
   ?????:	1.07 GHz
   Boot ROM ??:	MBA21.0075.B03
   SMC ??????:	1.34f8

---------------

Any ideas? I had one person from the U.S. report that he had no  
problems with running Patent Grabber under Snow Leopard.

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep  2 19:33:18 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:33:18 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9F00BE.1070606@hyperactivesw.com>

Adrian Williams wrote:
> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
> 
> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
> 
> Handler: error in command
> Object    OK
> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
> Hint        FUNCTION

There is a strict format you have to follow for command handlers and 
function handlers. The first line must begin with either the word "on" 
or "function". There are some other words you can use too, but to start 
with, these are the two main ones. Any block of code that starts with 
"on" is a command handler. Any block that starts with "function" is a 
function handler.

The initial word is followed by the name of the handler you are 
creating. If your handler accepts parameters, then those must follow on 
the same line too, separated by an initial space and commas between each 
parameter name, like this:

    on mycommand param1, param2, param3

Substitute the name you invent for your handler where the example above 
says "mycommand" and if you have any, substitute the name of any 
parameters in the other slots. If your handler doesn't need parameter, 
just omit those.

On subsequent lines, write the actual code statements.

At the end, you must use the word "end" followed by the handler name. 
This is the same for both command handlers and function handlers, like this:

    end mycommand

So, a command handler looks like this:

    on myHandler thisParam, thatParam, theotherParam
     -- code here
    end myHandler

And a function looks like this:

    function myFunction thing1, thing2
      -- code here
    end myFunction

Revolution is not case sensitive, so you don't need to capitalize any of 
the words. Some people have a personal style of capitalizing certain 
words to help them read their own code later. My style is to write 
mostly in lower case.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  2 19:53:09 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:53:09 +0200
Subject: Snow Leopard problem on a Mac Air
In-Reply-To: <3C5C808A-E6D5-4094-BF74-CFE2A9E58419@embarqmail.com>
References: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A9EEA19.9040907@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3C5C808A-E6D5-4094-BF74-CFE2A9E58419@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <D38C1B0C-658D-4CC8-B728-1936B6C6A22E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Bruce,

Make sure that all files inside the standalone have the right  
permissions.

chmod -R 755 pathToStandalone

It is also possible that the download is corrupt or that the customer  
copied the standalone incompletely onto his hard disk. You also need  
to make sure that the standalone is universal or for Intel and not for  
PPC.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 3 sep 2009, at 01:22, Bruce Pokras wrote:

> One user of my Patent Grabber application has reported that the app  
> simply opens and quits now that he has upgraded to Snow Leopard.  
> Here is his message:
>
> -----------------------
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> I upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6 then the patent grabber 5.6 version will  
> automatic close it when I try to open the program.
>
> I have Mac Air information of my machine as the following  
> (Traditional Chinese version)
>
>
> ????:	MacBook Air
>  ?????:	MacBookAir2,1
>  ?????:	Intel Core 2 Duo
>  ?????:	1.86 GHz
>  ?????:	1
>  ?????:	2
>  L2 ?????:	6 MB
>  ???:	2 GB
>  ?????:	1.07 GHz
>  Boot ROM ??:	MBA21.0075.B03
>  SMC ??????:	1.34f8
>
> ---------------
>
> Any ideas? I had one person from the U.S. report that he had no  
> problems with running Patent Grabber under Snow Leopard.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Pokras




From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep  2 19:54:03 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:54:03 -0400
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
In-Reply-To: <20090902170004.5622E48AE35@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090902170004.5622E48AE35@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <259D87AC-9165-4BA4-A75E-7A016242E763@videotron.ca>

Maybe we can compare notes then.  I'm going to work out something  
rough-and-ready to user in an online experimental market.

	Gregory

On Wed 2 Sep 2009, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughtful response.  I had grappled with DST in
>> another project that involved press releases that were time stamp
>> GMT.  It was tricky.  I like your idea of getting the seconds every
>> day at midnight.  That's clever, and I think I can incorporate that
>> into my site.  Sarah has a cool time conversion page on her TrozWare
>> site that I am going to study as well.
>
> Glad you are getting to the bottom of this issue.
> Remember, getting the seconds only does so for the operating system
> Rev is running on.  I believe it will be the same for iRev, so when
> they switch in Texas, you will see the change, then be able to compare
> to your local value to see if that changes on the same evening.
>
> I am going to be diving into iRev and time zone changes around the
> world on web servers beginning the end of September, so this same
> issue lies in my immediate future.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Sep  3 01:02:12 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:02:12 +0200
Subject: DataGrid - drag & Drop rearranging order
In-Reply-To: <261B63DE-50CB-43EA-BC7D-AD8C6108783C@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>
	<84E10C1E-5017-44CC-AB35-77A7C65120CB@mangomultimedia.com>
	<A1700D05-6A03-4CEE-862E-6410D9CD7A8D@ezpzapps.com>
	<261B63DE-50CB-43EA-BC7D-AD8C6108783C@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <F422B3B4-5314-4EE7-924E-61570296C4E1@ezpzapps.com>

>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you watching the conference today? I just might be posting an  
>>> updated data grid with built in support for this and showing how  
>>> to do it :-)


Ask and with Trevor you shall receive!

Such productivity!  Thank you for your generous contributions, Trevor.
Big thanks.

sims




From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 02:36:07 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:36:07 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <5D60432B-9A6B-4F17-BA89-5B28C30FE0DA@clubtype.co.uk>

Phil,

Mouse up calls stack script to remove installed font and return  
result. That already works.
When adding the FUNCTION code, the FUNCTION line keeps throwing up the  
error.
I've followed all the advice everyone has given - I'm stumped.
- - -
on mouseUp
start using stack "My App"

     put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
     removeFonts myList
     put the result into rslt
     if rslt is not empty then
          answer information rslt
     end if

FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
  put the filename of this stack into the theFile
  set the itemdelimiter to slash
  put pFile into the last item of theFile
  return theFile
end getPathToFile

--To use:
put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
launch tFile

stop using stack "May App"
end mouseUp
- - -
Does that help?
Adrian


On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:

> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which  
> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of  
> that object look like?
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Phil,
>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>> Adrian
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the  
>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>
>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>
>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>
>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>> Object    OK
>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of  
>>>>> code:
>>>>>
>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>> return theFile
>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>
>>>>> --To use:
>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>
>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> len morgan
>>>>
>>>> Ideas?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adrian
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 02:42:25 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:42:25 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <BA80AF72-2CFF-42A6-96A2-9012717DCA5E@clubtype.co.uk>

Phil,

Mouse up calls stack script to remove installed font and return  
result. That already works.
When adding the FUNCTION code, the FUNCTION line keeps throwing up the  
error.
I've followed all the advice everyone has given - I'm stumped.
- - -
on mouseUp
start using stack "My App"

    put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
    removeFonts myList
    put the result into rslt
    if rslt is not empty then
         answer information rslt
    end if

FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
put the filename of this stack into the theFile
set the itemdelimiter to slash
put pFile into the last item of theFile
return theFile
end getPathToFile

--To use:
put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
launch tFile

stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here in  
my last message, this is not the problem)
end mouseUp
- - -
Does that help?
Adrian


On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:

> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which  
> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of  
> that object look like?
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Phil,
>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>> Adrian
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the  
>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>
>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>
>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>
>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>> Object    OK
>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of  
>>>>> code:
>>>>>
>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>> return theFile
>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>
>>>>> --To use:
>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>
>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> len morgan
>>>>
>>>> Ideas?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adrian
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 02:50:43 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:50:43 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>

Phil,
Now have slightly different error:

Type		Commands: missing ','
Object	OK
Line		FUNCION getPathToFile pFile
Hint		pFile

but there is only one parameter so does not require a comma.
Adrian


On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:

> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which  
> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of  
> that object look like?
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Phil,
>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>> Adrian
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the  
>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>
>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>
>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>
>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>> Object    OK
>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of  
>>>>> code:
>>>>>
>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>> return theFile
>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>
>>>>> --To use:
>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>
>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> len morgan
>>>>
>>>> Ideas?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adrian
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Sep  3 03:17:41 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:17:41 -0700
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9F6D95.8030707@pdslabs.net>

Adrian,

Are you familiar with Rev's debugger? This might be a good time to use 
it. If it were me, I would set a breakpoint on the line before the one 
where you call getPathToFile(). Then you will be able to see more 
clearly the state of the various data items. That may tell you what's wrong.

HTH -
Phil Davis


Adrian Williams wrote:
> Phil,
> Now have slightly different error:
>
> Type        Commands: missing ','
> Object    OK
> Line        FUNCION getPathToFile pFile
> Hint        pFile
>
> but there is only one parameter so does not require a comma.
> Adrian
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which the 
>> error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of that 
>> object look like?
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>>
>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>> Phil,
>>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the 
>>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>>
>>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>>
>>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>>> Object    OK
>>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>>> return theFile
>>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --To use:
>>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> len morgan
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Adrian
>>
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
>> PDS Labs
>> Professional Software Development
>> http://pdslabs.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 03:46:08 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:46:08 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9F6D95.8030707@pdslabs.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9F6D95.8030707@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <BE702824-F100-41F6-8274-4E5BD421ED8A@clubtype.co.uk>

Phil,
Set a breakpoint on line before and have same error when hitting  
"Apply".
Adrian


On 3 Sep 2009, at 08:17, Phil Davis wrote:

> Adrian,
>
> Are you familiar with Rev's debugger? This might be a good time to  
> use it. If it were me, I would set a breakpoint on the line before  
> the one where you call getPathToFile(). Then you will be able to see  
> more clearly the state of the various data items. That may tell you  
> what's wrong.
>
> HTH -
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Phil,
>> Now have slightly different error:
>>
>> Type        Commands: missing ','
>> Object    OK
>> Line        FUNCION getPathToFile pFile
>> Hint        pFile
>>
>> but there is only one parameter so does not require a comma.
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which  
>>> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of  
>>> that object look like?
>>>
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>> Phil,
>>>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and  
>>>>> the name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>>>> Object    OK
>>>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of  
>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>>>> return theFile
>>>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --To use:
>>>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> len morgan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
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>>> Professional Software Development
>>> http://pdslabs.net
>>>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Sep  3 03:52:36 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:52:36 +0200
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <BE702824-F100-41F6-8274-4E5BD421ED8A@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9F6D95.8030707@pdslabs.net>
	<BE702824-F100-41F6-8274-4E5BD421ED8A@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <186D86B6-7E02-488C-8A29-E4043FCA9451@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Adrian,

>> ...
>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>> Phil,
>>> Now have slightly different error:
>>>
>>> Type        Commands: missing ','
>>> Object    OK
>>> Line        FUNCION getPathToFile pFile

There is a T missing in funcTion!
But maybe this is just a typo in your post?


Best

Klaus
--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 03:57:41 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:57:41 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <186D86B6-7E02-488C-8A29-E4043FCA9451@major.on-rev.com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9F6D95.8030707@pdslabs.net>
	<BE702824-F100-41F6-8274-4E5BD421ED8A@clubtype.co.uk>
	<186D86B6-7E02-488C-8A29-E4043FCA9451@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <9DC6C3E5-0353-42DC-AE5C-ECBBEC460297@clubtype.co.uk>

Hi Klaus,
Yes, it was just a typo.
Thanks,
Adrian


On 3 Sep 2009, at 08:52, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
>>> ...
>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>> Phil,
>>>> Now have slightly different error:
>>>>
>>>> Type        Commands: missing ','
>>>> Object    OK
>>>> Line        FUNCION getPathToFile pFile
>
> There is a T missing in funcTion!
> But maybe this is just a typo in your post?
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 04:03:05 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:03:05 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <186D86B6-7E02-488C-8A29-E4043FCA9451@major.on-rev.com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<88D6A0E3-03AE-46FB-94BA-53A465FCBC35@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9F6D95.8030707@pdslabs.net>
	<BE702824-F100-41F6-8274-4E5BD421ED8A@clubtype.co.uk>
	<186D86B6-7E02-488C-8A29-E4043FCA9451@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <8159878B-4391-4315-9923-255BF4B76CDB@clubtype.co.uk>

Klaus,
Now that literal FUNCTION is corrected, still getting 'error in  
command'...

Type	Handler:	 error in command
Object		OK
Line			FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
Hint			FUNCTION

Thanks,
Adrian

On 3 Sep 2009, at 08:52, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
>>> ...
>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>> Phil,
>>>> Now have slightly different error:
>>>>
>>>> Type        Commands: missing ','
>>>> Object    OK
>>>> Line        FUNCION getPathToFile pFile
>
> There is a T missing in funcTion!
> But maybe this is just a typo in your post?
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Thu Sep  3 04:09:09 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:09:09 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <BA80AF72-2CFF-42A6-96A2-9012717DCA5E@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<BA80AF72-2CFF-42A6-96A2-9012717DCA5E@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D7020246-5A39-4747-8931-6502AECF4100@liverpool.ac.uk>

Hi Adrian,
if the script in your email is exactly what you are using, then you  
need to move the function declaration outside of the mouseup handler.  
I don't think that these things can be nested.

- - -
FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
     put the filename of this stack into the theFile
     set the itemdelimiter to slash
     put pFile into the last item of theFile
     return theFile
end getPathToFile


on mouseUp
    start using stack "My App"

    put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
    removeFonts myList
    put the result into rslt
    if rslt is not empty then
         answer information rslt
    end if

    --To use:
    put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
    launch tFile

    stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here  
in my last message, this is not the problem)
end mouseUp
- - -

On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:42, Adrian Williams wrote:

> Phil,
>
> Mouse up calls stack script to remove installed font and return
> result. That already works.
> When adding the FUNCTION code, the FUNCTION line keeps throwing up the
> error.
> I've followed all the advice everyone has given - I'm stumped.
> - - -
> on mouseUp
> start using stack "My App"
>
>    put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>    removeFonts myList
>    put the result into rslt
>    if rslt is not empty then
>         answer information rslt
>    end if
>
> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
> set the itemdelimiter to slash
> put pFile into the last item of theFile
> return theFile
> end getPathToFile
>
> --To use:
> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
> launch tFile
>
> stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here in
> my last message, this is not the problem)
> end mouseUp
> - - -
> Does that help?
> Adrian
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which
>> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of
>> that object look like?
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>>
>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>> Phil,
>>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the
>>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>>
>>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>>
>>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>>> Object    OK
>>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of
>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>>> return theFile
>>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --To use:
>>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> len morgan
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Adrian
>>
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
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>> Professional Software Development
>> http://pdslabs.net
>>
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ointment.






From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 04:44:48 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:44:48 +0100
Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont]
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030144pd0d3905sfdc3f095d3fcc164@mail.gmail.com>

Ben Beaumont gave a most stimulating talk last night about the jazzy new
visual effectsin RR 4. At one point he showed us a simulation of a solar
system featuring a sun and
4 or 5 planets in orbit about it. The particularly fancy bit was that the
side of a planet
facing towards the sun was always 'lit'. Ben Beaumont claimed that this
effect was
a bit difficult.

. . . I went back to my lodgings and jumped into a good, hot bath . . .

Bingo: all one has to do is set up a sequence of numbers round a circle like
this:

repeat with XYZ = 0 to 6.28 step 0.05
  put (cos(XYZ) * 150) into KOZ
  put (cos(XYZ - 1.54) * 150) into KOZ2
  put (sine(XYZ) * 150) into SIGN
  put (sine(XYZ - 1.54) * 150) into SIGN2


then one sets up a circular graphic of, say, 300,300 with a linear
fillGradient of black
to green/blue/red and sets the following:

  set the fillGradient["to"] to (KOZ + 400),(SIGN + 400)
  set the fillGradient["from"] to (KOZ2 + 400),(SIGN2 + 400)
end repeat

[ mind you, this might be complete rubbish as I haven't tried it yet . . .]


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Sep  3 05:17:04 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:17:04 +0000
Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont]
Message-ID: <0003865A.4A9FA5AF@the-office.us>

Richmond,

btw.: didn?t you want to wear your kilt at the conference?  I remember  a list posting someone wanted to do that. Until now i did not see anyone wearing one?
Or are you allways behind the camera?  ;-)

Regards,

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont] (03-Sep-2009 10:45)
From:    Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Ben Beaumont gave a most stimulating talk last night about the jazzy new
> visual effectsin RR 4. At one point he showed us a simulation of a solar
> system featuring a sun and
> 4 or 5 planets in orbit about it. The particularly fancy bit was that the
> side of a planet
> facing towards the sun was always 'lit'. Ben Beaumont claimed that this
> effect was
> a bit difficult.
> 
> . . . I went back to my lodgings and jumped into a good, hot bath . . .
> 
> Bingo: all one has to do is set up a sequence of numbers round a circle 
> like
> this:
> 
> repeat with XYZ = 0 to 6.28 step 0.05
>   put (cos(XYZ) * 150) into KOZ
>   put (cos(XYZ - 1.54) * 150) into KOZ2
>   put (sine(XYZ) * 150) into SIGN
>   put (sine(XYZ - 1.54) * 150) into SIGN2
> 
> 
> then one sets up a circular graphic of, say, 300,300 with a linear
> fillGradient of black
> to green/blue/red and sets the following:
> 
>   set the fillGradient["to"] to (KOZ + 400),(SIGN + 400)
>   set the fillGradient["from"] to (KOZ2 + 400),(SIGN2 + 400)
> end repeat
> 
> [ mind you, this might be complete rubbish as I haven't tried it yet . . .]
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 07:12:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:12:39 +0100
Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont]
In-Reply-To: <0003865A.4A9FA5AF@the-office.us>
References: <0003865A.4A9FA5AF@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030412w50ede1d8j76400360c9136b5a@mail.gmail.com>

I was here in my kilt on Tuesday and Wed.; however, spilt some tomato
ketchupon my kilt last night - so wearing jeans today. Kilt again tomorrow.

What the h*ll is this?

This message thread is meant to be about manipulating fillGradient . .  . :)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:17 AM, <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

> Richmond,
>
> btw.: didn?t you want to wear your kilt at the conference?  I remember  a
> list posting someone wanted to do that. Until now i did not see anyone
> wearing one?
> Or are you allways behind the camera?  ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont] (03-Sep-2009 10:45)
> From:    Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de
>
> > Ben Beaumont gave a most stimulating talk last night about the jazzy new
> > visual effectsin RR 4. At one point he showed us a simulation of a solar
> > system featuring a sun and
> > 4 or 5 planets in orbit about it. The particularly fancy bit was that the
> > side of a planet
> > facing towards the sun was always 'lit'. Ben Beaumont claimed that this
> > effect was
> > a bit difficult.
> >
> > . . . I went back to my lodgings and jumped into a good, hot bath . . .
> >
> > Bingo: all one has to do is set up a sequence of numbers round a circle
> > like
> > this:
> >
> > repeat with XYZ = 0 to 6.28 step 0.05
> >   put (cos(XYZ) * 150) into KOZ
> >   put (cos(XYZ - 1.54) * 150) into KOZ2
> >   put (sine(XYZ) * 150) into SIGN
> >   put (sine(XYZ - 1.54) * 150) into SIGN2
> >
> >
> > then one sets up a circular graphic of, say, 300,300 with a linear
> > fillGradient of black
> > to green/blue/red and sets the following:
> >
> >   set the fillGradient["to"] to (KOZ + 400),(SIGN + 400)
> >   set the fillGradient["from"] to (KOZ2 + 400),(SIGN2 + 400)
> > end repeat
> >
> > [ mind you, this might be complete rubbish as I haven't tried it yet . .
> .]
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep  3 07:24:52 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:24:52 +0100
Subject: DataGrid - drag & Drop rearranging order
In-Reply-To: <F422B3B4-5314-4EE7-924E-61570296C4E1@ezpzapps.com>
References: <54462159-D37A-433A-851D-928FE001899F@ezpzapps.com>
	<84E10C1E-5017-44CC-AB35-77A7C65120CB@mangomultimedia.com>
	<A1700D05-6A03-4CEE-862E-6410D9CD7A8D@ezpzapps.com>
	<261B63DE-50CB-43EA-BC7D-AD8C6108783C@mangomultimedia.com>
	<F422B3B4-5314-4EE7-924E-61570296C4E1@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <C87CFD79-CE9E-4862-BD4B-F2AD3E1D6B06@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:02 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

> Ask and with Trevor you shall receive!

You just happened to ask at the right time :-)

> Big thanks.

You're welcome.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 07:34:56 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:34:56 +0100
Subject: [OT] New version of Pixen available
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030434w32785760y9e230c4c93a68fdf@mail.gmail.com>

very good, Open Source (NO, not 'Open Sauce' !) app (Mac) for animated GIF
files:
http://opensword.org/Pixen/

this also looks worth a 'play':

http://opensword.org/reptile/


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Sep  3 07:52:25 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:52:25 -0500
Subject: Simulcast Envy...and a small request for Kevin
Message-ID: <4A9FADF9.8060701@crcom.net>

For those of us who couldn't make the conference, couldn't adjust our 
schedules to watch the simulcast, and can't wait for the DVDs (which as 
I recall seemed to take forever last year), is there any chance that 
Kevin's keynote speech outlining what's new and what's coming in Rev 
might be put up on youTube or something?

I don't think you're giving away the store with this one speech and it 
might prove very useful as a marketing tool for those that are just now 
getting Revolution as a result of the advertising about the 4.0 
release.  They might like to see where the product is headed before 
diving in.

Just a thought...

Len Morgan


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 07:56:24 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:56:24 +0100
Subject: SeaMonkey and revlets
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030456i68ba9bc7l61d73911f1d17245@mail.gmail.com>

Don't seem to work together very well.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 09:49:31 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:49:31 +0100
Subject: Usability Heuristics
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030649x4e9904e2ta9d2b565a8cdc181@mail.gmail.com>

I mentioned the Nielsen-Molich Usability Heuristics to several people at the
RunRev conference and received severalblank looks; so:-

http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html

I see from Jakob Nielsen's website there is going to be a Usability
Conference in . . . err . . .
Edinburgh between 14-18 September at a fancy hotel (not as nice as Dynamic
Earth):

http://www.nngroup.com/events/edinburgh/location_info.html

Obviously Donald Norman is also involved in this conf.:

http://www.jnd.org/bio-sketch.html


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 10:09:55 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:09:55 +0100
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030709p71662c90n18a53ec43b2f91f9@mail.gmail.com>

Ouch!
http://tilestack.com/blog/Music_Notes,_New_Instruments_&_Sound_Channel_Preview


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Sep  3 10:37:51 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:37:51 +0200
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909030709p71662c90n18a53ec43b2f91f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909030709p71662c90n18a53ec43b2f91f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71D6BBCF-8918-416A-A0B2-302A07988941@numericable.com>

Hello Richmond,
I I want the same thing in RunRev with the capability playing Midi  
instrument implemented into QuickTime synthesizer...
I think it is not very difficult for Revolution to make that...
But what opportunities available to us !!
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 3 sept. 09 ? 16:09, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Ouch!
> http://tilestack.com/blog/ 
> Music_Notes,_New_Instruments_&_Sound_Channel_Preview
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep  3 11:16:43 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:43 -0400
Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont]
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909030412w50ede1d8j76400360c9136b5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0003865A.4A9FA5AF@the-office.us>
	<74ac8f550909030412w50ede1d8j76400360c9136b5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94DB0215-376E-42DB-9E9C-5E6908BA4F52@verizon.net>

You guys have me really worried now, talking about Richmond's kilt,  
under a subject of "Rotating Balls"...




From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Sep  3 11:29:45 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:29:45 +0200
Subject: My slides are up
In-Reply-To: <20090903112500.A80E448AEFB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090903112500.A80E448AEFB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>

Hi there,

my presentation slides are up

http://www.derbrill.de/slides.zip

Hope you enjoyed the talks.

Cheers,

Malte


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 11:37:21 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:37:21 +0100
Subject: Rotating Balls [Ben Beaumont]
In-Reply-To: <94DB0215-376E-42DB-9E9C-5E6908BA4F52@verizon.net>
References: <0003865A.4A9FA5AF@the-office.us>
	<74ac8f550909030412w50ede1d8j76400360c9136b5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<94DB0215-376E-42DB-9E9C-5E6908BA4F52@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909030837l42597c3gc41d4bf43759d78b@mail.gmail.com>

This is getting badly OT, as the initial message was about Ben Beaumont's
RotatingBalls and not . . .  :)

With any luck, in about 15-20 minutes, here at the conference, all will be
revealed.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> You guys have me really worried now, talking about Richmond's kilt, under a
> subject of "Rotating Balls"...
>
>
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep  3 11:45:45 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:45:45 +0100
Subject: EditFieldText in datagrid
In-Reply-To: <9CDD20A5-7F15-4388-B5FA-BC83FC9C5702@skynet.be>
References: <9CDD20A5-7F15-4388-B5FA-BC83FC9C5702@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <DB2DF24B-685C-4A67-ABFF-7C779C9596C4@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> when I use the command
>
> EditFieldText the long id of the target, the dgIndex of me, theKey
>
> I can edit the text of the fld : Ok
>
> but
> If I type a return in the txt (to create a new line) the  
> CloseFieldEditor command is sent and the text is no further editable
> Is it possible to make a distinction between "return" and "enter" in  
> the edited fld ?

Hi Yves,

You can customize the behavior of the Data Grid field editor. I just  
added a lesson to the manual that shows how (all while watching Andre  
set up a web store in on-rev).

How Can I Customize The Field Editor Behavior?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/6212-How-Can-I-Customize-The-Field-Editor-Behavior- 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Thu Sep  3 12:36:18 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:36:18 +0100
Subject: My slides are up
In-Reply-To: <28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>
References: <20090903112500.A80E448AEFB@mail.runrev.com>
	<28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <B58C4A57-CB8D-469A-ABFB-4686E99BAE64@luceatlux.com>

Thanks for the speedy upload, Malte!

George

On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

Hi there,

my presentation slides are up

http://www.derbrill.de/slides.zip

Hope you enjoyed the talks.

Cheers,

Malte
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Sep  3 13:34:16 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Usability Heuristics
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909030649x4e9904e2ta9d2b565a8cdc181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909030649x4e9904e2ta9d2b565a8cdc181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909031034100.6687@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Nice...

Judy

On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I mentioned the Nielsen-Molich Usability Heuristics to several people at the
> RunRev conference and received severalblank looks; so:-
>
> http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html
>
> I see from Jakob Nielsen's website there is going to be a Usability
> Conference in . . . err . . .
> Edinburgh between 14-18 September at a fancy hotel (not as nice as Dynamic
> Earth):
>
> http://www.nngroup.com/events/edinburgh/location_info.html
>
> Obviously Donald Norman is also involved in this conf.:
>
> http://www.jnd.org/bio-sketch.html
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Sep  3 13:35:14 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909030709p71662c90n18a53ec43b2f91f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909030709p71662c90n18a53ec43b2f91f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909031035000.6687@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Woo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Judy

On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Ouch!
> http://tilestack.com/blog/Music_Notes,_New_Instruments_&_Sound_Channel_Preview
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Sep  3 13:36:08 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <71D6BBCF-8918-416A-A0B2-302A07988941@numericable.com>
References: <74ac8f550909030709p71662c90n18a53ec43b2f91f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<71D6BBCF-8918-416A-A0B2-302A07988941@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909031035320.6687@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto

Judy


On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Ren? Micout wrote:

> Hello Richmond,
> I I want the same thing in RunRev with the capability playing Midi instrument 
> implemented into QuickTime synthesizer...
> I think it is not very difficult for Revolution to make that...
> But what opportunities available to us !!
> Bons souvenirs de Paris
> Ren?
>
> Le 3 sept. 09 ? 16:09, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
>> Ouch!
>> http://tilestack.com/blog/Music_Notes,_New_Instruments_&_Sound_Channel_Preview
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Sep  3 13:36:37 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: My slides are up
In-Reply-To: <28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>
References: <20090903112500.A80E448AEFB@mail.runrev.com>
	<28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909031036290.6687@ecs.fullerton.edu>

:-D

Judy

On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> my presentation slides are up
>
> http://www.derbrill.de/slides.zip
>
> Hope you enjoyed the talks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Sep  3 14:17:47 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:17:47 +0200
Subject: EditFieldText in datagrid
In-Reply-To: <DB2DF24B-685C-4A67-ABFF-7C779C9596C4@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <9CDD20A5-7F15-4388-B5FA-BC83FC9C5702@skynet.be>
	<DB2DF24B-685C-4A67-ABFF-7C779C9596C4@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <9AECCC53-DABD-4E9E-B8DC-5B1CB4E136D6@skynet.be>


Le 3 sept. 09 ? 17:45, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> when I use the command
>>
>> EditFieldText the long id of the target, the dgIndex of me, theKey
>>
>> I can edit the text of the fld : Ok
>>
>> but
>> If I type a return in the txt (to create a new line) the  
>> CloseFieldEditor command is sent and the text is no further editable
>> Is it possible to make a distinction between "return" and "enter"  
>> in the edited fld ?
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> You can customize the behavior of the Data Grid field editor. I just  
> added a lesson to the manual that shows how (all while watching  
> Andre set up a web store in on-rev).
>
> How Can I Customize The Field Editor Behavior?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/6212-How-Can-I-Customize-The-Field-Editor-Behavior- 
> >
>


Re Trevor,

Exactly what I need !

Thanks !

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Sep  3 15:01:06 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:01:06 -0700
Subject: Usability Heuristics
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909030649x4e9904e2ta9d2b565a8cdc181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909030649x4e9904e2ta9d2b565a8cdc181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA01272.3070402@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Richmond! This will be good grounds for discussion with one of my 
clients in particular. (Not you Paul)

Phil Davis


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> I mentioned the Nielsen-Molich Usability Heuristics to several people at the
> RunRev conference and received severalblank looks; so:-
>
> http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html
>
> I see from Jakob Nielsen's website there is going to be a Usability
> Conference in . . . err . . .
> Edinburgh between 14-18 September at a fancy hotel (not as nice as Dynamic
> Earth):
>
> http://www.nngroup.com/events/edinburgh/location_info.html
>
> Obviously Donald Norman is also involved in this conf.:
>
> http://www.jnd.org/bio-sketch.htm
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep  3 16:09:09 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:09:09 -0700
Subject: Request to Ben Beaumont from remote attendee
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909031309l1ea624e6v142bd023de8b47c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben,

Could you please post the URL for the stack for "D1-T2-S8: Advanced
Multimedia". There is  a file shown, "advanceed-multimedia.zip", however
it's the stack for the Graphic Effects topic of an earlier
presentation.

thanks
sqb
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu Sep  3 11:25:05 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:25:05 -0700
Subject: Simulcast Envy...and a small request for Kevin
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A64B@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Len Morgan on Thu Sep 3, 2009 - 06:52 AM CDT
>>
For those of us who couldn't make the conference, couldn't adjust our 
schedules to watch the simulcast, and can't wait for the DVDs (which as 
I recall seemed to take forever last year), is there any chance that 
Kevin's keynote speech outlining what's new and what's coming in Rev 
might be put up on youTube or something?
<<

I second that. Since I'm still at home, I too would like to be enthused
by Kevin's speech.

Regards,
Mark Stuart
Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Sep  3 16:58:17 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:58:17 -0500
Subject: Simulcast Envy...and a small request for Kevin
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A64B@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A64B@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <341C1758-FC0E-4B97-A48F-961B722E666A@me.com>

It was his BEST EVER. I agree. You-tube-you-tube-you-tube...

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> Written by Len Morgan on Thu Sep 3, 2009 - 06:52 AM CDT
>>>
> For those of us who couldn't make the conference, couldn't adjust our
> schedules to watch the simulcast, and can't wait for the DVDs (which  
> as
> I recall seemed to take forever last year), is there any chance that
> Kevin's keynote speech outlining what's new and what's coming in Rev
> might be put up on youTube or something?
> <<
>
> I second that. Since I'm still at home, I too would like to be  
> enthused
> by Kevin's speech.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep  3 18:33:54 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:33:54 +0100
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
Message-ID: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>

Neat, and looks quite powerful.

Trivia quiz time:
Their codename for the next release is 'Trantor' - a free prize of  
nothing to the first person to say which SF book series features the  
planet Trantor...

Ian

On 3 Sep 2009, at 15:09, Richmond Mathewson  
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ouch!
> http://tilestack.com/blog/Music_Notes,_New_Instruments_&_Sound_Channel_Preview
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 18:36:23 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:36:23 +1000
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ian Wood<revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
> Neat, and looks quite powerful.
>
> Trivia quiz time:
> Their codename for the next release is 'Trantor' - a free prize of nothing
> to the first person to say which SF book series features the planet
> Trantor...


OK, I'll fall into the nerd trap :-)
Isaac Asimov's Foundation series

Cheers,
Sarah


From tereza at califex.com  Thu Sep  3 19:42:59 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:42:59 -0500
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>


On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>
> OK, I'll fall into the nerd trap :-)
> Isaac Asimov's Foundation series
>


Actually, Trantor made its first appearance in Asimov's "Pebble in the  
Sky" which predated the Foundation series.

Joining Sarah in the nerd trap.

t




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Sep  3 23:30:29 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:30:29 -0500
Subject: Simulcast Envy...and a small request for Kevin
In-Reply-To: <341C1758-FC0E-4B97-A48F-961B722E666A@me.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A64B@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<341C1758-FC0E-4B97-A48F-961B722E666A@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AA089D5.1080108@crcom.net>


I'd even pony up for a PPV of the keynote.

len


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 23:50:42 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:50:42 -0400
Subject: faxing from a rev stack?
Message-ID: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>

I'm interested in building a fax capability into one of my stack  
systems. I'm presuming that I'll need to call on a Mac fax  
application. Anyone know which app would be best to use and how to  
call on it it to fax by script from within rev?

MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 3.5.0-gm-2, build 870

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 00:04:46 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:04:46 +1000
Subject: faxing from a rev stack?
In-Reply-To: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
References: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909032104v67e2b9c8ged5225268074cba6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Peter Brigham MD<pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm interested in building a fax capability into one of my stack systems.
> I'm presuming that I'll need to call on a Mac fax application. Anyone know
> which app would be best to use and how to call on it it to fax by script
> from within rev?

Peter, I do this by using an online fax service that accepts emails
and sends them & their attachments out as faxes.
Unless you are sending lots of faxes, this is a lot cheaper than
buying a fax machine.

However, a lot of printers now have fax capability so if you have one
of them connected to your Mac, you might be able to do it using
AppleScript/Automator, but it's not something I have ever
investigated.

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep  4 00:34:04 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:34:04 -0700
Subject: faxing from a rev stack?
In-Reply-To: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
References: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909032134o5d6399c6q608f327285482ef1@mail.gmail.com>

You might look at Page Sender...I bought a copy several years ago for
occasional faxes before Apple started to include it in the OS. Good company.
http://www.smileonmymac.com/PageSender/index.html

NEED A SCRIPTABLE SOLUTION FOR FAXING INVOICES FROM FILEMAKER PRO?
PageSender is fully AppleScriptable and includes just such an example that
is customizable to your needs.


$40, free trial
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/3 Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com>

> I'm interested in building a fax capability into one of my stack systems.
> I'm presuming that I'll need to call on a Mac fax application. Anyone know
> which app would be best to use and how to call on it it to fax by script
> from within rev?
>
> MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 3.5.0-gm-2, build 870
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 01:25:03 2009
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:25:03 +0800
Subject: faxing from a rev stack?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909032104v67e2b9c8ged5225268074cba6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909032104v67e2b9c8ged5225268074cba6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <107AE8A8-7EB6-456E-AD7A-5D621E04AA5E@gmail.com>


On 4 Sep 2009, at 12:04, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Peter, I do this by using an online fax service that accepts emails
> and sends them & their attachments out as faxes.
> Unless you are sending lots of faxes, this is a lot cheaper than
> buying a fax machine.

You can send and receive faxes directly from a Mac which either has a  
built-in modem or using an Apple USB modem. (Depending on the  
comparative charges, the online fax service could still end up cheaper).

I don't yet know enough about Revolution to properly answer Peter's  
question but as a Fax is automatically added to the list of printers  
shown in the printer dialog in OS X when a fax modem is attached and  
connected to a phone line, I guess it could well be possible.

Regards

Peter


From katir at hindu.org  Fri Sep  4 01:39:57 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:39:57 -1000
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
Message-ID: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>

I have some UTF-16 unicode raw text. If I import this into Pages, it 
displays the font correctly and also the line breaks between paragraphs 
correctly

But if I use this function:

on mouseUp
  answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  put "binfile:" & it into urlName
  replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in urlName
  set the unicodeText of fld "display" to url urlName
end mouseUp

the line breaks are not appearing in the field in revolution.

Also if I try to analyze what chars are there, where the line break 
should be, by selecting across a missing line break and then use this test:

on mouseUp
   set the useUnicode to true
   if the selection is empty then
      answer "No Selection" with "ok"
   end if
   put the selection into tUnicode
   put tUnicode
   repeat for each char x in tUnicode
      put  chartonum(x) & cr after tOutput    
   end repeat
 put tOutput # returns empty
end mouseUp

I get nothing in the msg box. If I switch from Tamil Inaimathi (Mac 
unicode font) to Anjal Chittu unicode, The Tamil displays correctly and 
now I can clearly see a two byte block

space+square-box-symbol (somewhat transparent) where the line breaks 
should be. But it still returns empty on an empty to determine what the 
bytes are....

How do we deal with/import correctly, line breaks in unicode text in 
Revolution?

I plan to create an editing environment as a revlet for online work... 
and unicode will be imported and exported freely for later use in 
InDesign. Obviously CRLF (or whatever it is in Unicode) needs to be 
preserved.

Thanks!
Sivakatirswami
"completely Unicode newbie"






From peterwawood at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 01:46:37 2009
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:46:37 +0800
Subject: faxing from a rev stack?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909032134o5d6399c6q608f327285482ef1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70909032134o5d6399c6q608f327285482ef1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C903E8F-CEF5-4852-849D-86E466465E26@gmail.com>

Peter

2009/9/3 Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com>

> I'm interested in building a fax capability into one of my stack  
> systems.
> I'm presuming that I'll need to call on a Mac fax application.  
> Anyone know
> which app would be best to use and how to call on it it to fax by  
> script
> from within rev?
>
> MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 3.5.0-gm-2, build 870
>
> -- Peter

It is possible to send a fax with a shellCommand. I tested sending a  
very basic fax with the following shell command :

lp -d External_Modem -o phone=67300923 ~/Desktop/testfax.txt

Hope this helps

Regards

Peter 

From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Sep  4 06:10:32 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:10:32 +0200
Subject: Internet site rules for on-Rev
Message-ID: <4770F51B-CD61-4923-88E7-52853DA08B9D@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I've been researching information for my internet
site for some years now, and I am soon ready to
go live. I have an on-Rev licence, and am impatient
to reap the fruits of my work. I even wrote a HTML
generator in Transcript, to help me build my pages,
because I couldn't understand DreamWeaver :>)

Several years ago, when they (Who are THEY ?) opened
the suffix .fr, I immediately contacted a company who
reserves site names, and they charge me some small fee
every year, for retaining my site name. I am not sure
if site name reservation is complicated, but then I
suppose that if we all knew how to fill in a few forms,
we would never need lawyers .....

Question : What do I do when I want to use the on-Rev
site for my site location ? Must I continue paying the
yearly fee to this Site Company, or can I short-circuit
them, now that I have a lifetime with on-Rev ?

I imagine that I am not the first to ask this question.

- Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 06:14:23 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 03:14:23 -0700
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <98423F68-36A2-4F8B-9E21-E4C662B1B099@yahoo.com>

Why would the filename ever have any line endings?


On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I have some UTF-16 unicode raw text. If I import this into Pages, it  
> displays the font correctly and also the line breaks between  
> paragraphs correctly
>
> But if I use this function:
>
> on mouseUp
> answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
> if it is empty then exit mouseUp
> put "binfile:" & it into urlName
> replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in urlName
> set the unicodeText of fld "display" to url urlName
> end mouseUp
>
> the line breaks are not appearing in the field in revolution.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Sep  4 06:25:55 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:25:55 +0200
Subject: XP, Vista, Choosing where to save rev files
Message-ID: <9E7BEDFE-F551-4734-85EB-1A026BC425EE@ezpzapps.com>

If I let a Windows user choose via dialog where my app creates and  
saves a rev file, will any folders that can be chosen by the user be  
accessible to the rev app when it goes to open that file again?

I'm a bit worried about users choosing to save the file into a folder  
that Vista will then not allow the rev app to open that file.

Maybe I'm being overly paranoid  ;-)   But Vista seems a bit cranky.


sims



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 06:56:41 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 03:56:41 -0700
Subject: Internet site rules for on-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4770F51B-CD61-4923-88E7-52853DA08B9D@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4770F51B-CD61-4923-88E7-52853DA08B9D@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <C6AB3975-0316-4C9E-95A5-2C92F44168EC@yahoo.com>

The domain name you reserve the right to use is registered with a  
company that does registration functions only.
You do not have to ever actually put web pages on a hosted computer to  
retain the ownership of the domain.

When you do establish a location (IP address) for your web page(s),  
you need to update the record with the domain registrar with this  
computer location.

One of the functions of a domain registrar is to let the world know  
when you make changes to your domain record.

OnRev is a hosting company that establishes and maintains the location  
of your web page(s) and will give you the correct addresses to use for  
updating your domain record.  These are called DNS servers (Domain  
Name Servers maintained by OnRev.

-1-  contact a *domain registration* company to reserve the domain you  
want if it is available
-2-  contact your *hosting* company to get the name server addresses  
to update your registration record
-3-  follow the directions of your hosting company for uploading the  
actual HTML pages to your hosting company hard drive

If the hosting company goes out of business, you lose the location of  
your web site, but not the registration
If you change hosting companies, you then change the name servers on  
your registration record to let the world know how to get to your new  
location.
One domain can only be routed to one primary IP address.
The reason for secondary IP addresses is in case the server at the  
first IP address is not available.

Your *hosting* company maintains a Name Server, which listens for  
http:// requests and forwards the request to your location (web pages)

You can have 10 domain names with DNS entries all 'pointing to' the  
same *hosting* company (eg OnRev)
In that case, you would have 10 home folders on the *hosting* company  
server, each named as one of the 10 domains.
You could have 9 of the folders 'redirecting' traffic to the 10th  
folder which contains your favorite home page.


Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:10 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Paris,
>
> I've been researching information for my internet
> site for some years now, and I am soon ready to
> go live. I have an on-Rev licence, and am impatient
> to reap the fruits of my work. I even wrote a HTML
> generator in Transcript, to help me build my pages,
> because I couldn't understand DreamWeaver :>)
>
> Several years ago, when they (Who are THEY ?) opened
> the suffix .fr, I immediately contacted a company who
> reserves site names, and they charge me some small fee
> every year, for retaining my site name. I am not sure
> if site name reservation is complicated, but then I
> suppose that if we all knew how to fill in a few forms,
> we would never need lawyers .....
>
> Question : What do I do when I want to use the on-Rev
> site for my site location ? Must I continue paying the
> yearly fee to this Site Company, or can I short-circuit
> them, now that I have a lifetime with on-Rev ?
>
> I imagine that I am not the first to ask this question.
> ____________________________________


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 07:00:02 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 04:00:02 -0700
Subject: XP, Vista, Choosing where to save rev files
In-Reply-To: <9E7BEDFE-F551-4734-85EB-1A026BC425EE@ezpzapps.com>
References: <9E7BEDFE-F551-4734-85EB-1A026BC425EE@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <C4C51299-9C59-4787-AACB-767AF6E60009@yahoo.com>

Run a loop that let's the user choose a folder, then you write a one- 
word temp file, read it, test for success.
If not success, then loop back to inform the user 'no go, choose  
another, or set the security to allow access'

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:25 AM, jim sims wrote:

> If I let a Windows user choose via dialog where my app creates and  
> saves a rev file, will any folders that can be chosen by the user be  
> accessible to the rev app when it goes to open that file again?
>
> I'm a bit worried about users choosing to save the file into a  
> folder that Vista will then not allow the rev app to open that file.
>
> Maybe I'm being overly paranoid  ;-)   But Vista seems a bit cranky.
>


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Fri Sep  4 07:41:58 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:41:58 -0500
Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
Message-ID: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net>

I downloaded the latest version of revEnterprise which is supposed to be 
dp4.  However the "about Rev" page shows "Build 900 dp-3."  Is this the 
latest version and just mismarked on the about page or did "Check For 
Updates" get the wrong file?

Len Morgan


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 07:55:19 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:55:19 +1000
Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net>
References: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909040455i5d22e2a6ibff65b323fe87004@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Len Morgan<len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> I downloaded the latest version of revEnterprise which is supposed to be
> dp4. ?However the "about Rev" page shows "Build 900 dp-3." ?Is this the
> latest version and just mismarked on the about page or did "Check For
> Updates" get the wrong file?

Mine says 4.0.0-dp-4 build 910. I just got it through "Check for
updates" but I already had dp-3.

Cheers,
Sarah


From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 08:09:01 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:09:01 +0900
Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909040455i5d22e2a6ibff65b323fe87004@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net>
	<f99b52860909040455i5d22e2a6ibff65b323fe87004@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70909040509x7c9020f9j6ca844f08020dcd1@mail.gmail.com>

Don't have an answer, I'm afraid.

Update to dp4 is also not working on my WinXP machine. So, I started
this same discussion on the "improve rev" list. Several suggestions
were offered -- check the Rev folder for a new folder "dp4", initiate
the update not from dp3 but from a previous version (3.5). But all
gave the same result: after "Check for updates", entering the license
key and restarting, dp3 persists -- and I doubt anything was
downloaded, because Rev restarted immediately.

Perhps someone from Rev is listening in and can point us to a direct
url for downloading dp4?

--
Nicolas Cueto


From index at kenjikojima.com  Fri Sep  4 08:35:30 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:35:30 -0400
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <42E37529-BEF3-433A-B625-D29046B2ED7B@kenjikojima.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

> I have some UTF-16 unicode raw text. If I import this into Pages, it  
> displays the font correctly and also the line breaks between  
> paragraphs correctly
>
> But if I use this function:
>
> on mouseUp
> answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
> if it is empty then exit mouseUp
> put "binfile:" & it into urlName
> replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in urlName
> set the unicodeText of fld "display" to url urlName
> end mouseUp
>
> the line breaks are not appearing in the field in revolution.


It worked. I used Japanese UTF-16 on Mac OS 10.6, Revolution 4.0.


> Also if I try to analyze what chars are there, where the line break  
> should be, by selecting across a missing line break and then use  
> this test:
>
> on mouseUp
>  set the useUnicode to true
>  if the selection is empty then
>     answer "No Selection" with "ok"
>  end if
>  put the selection into tUnicode
>  put tUnicode
>  repeat for each char x in tUnicode
>     put  chartonum(x) & cr after tOutput      end repeat
> put tOutput # returns empty
> end mouseUp



it should be

   repeat with i=1 to the num of chars of tUnicode step 2
       put  chartonum(char i to i+1 of tUnicode) & cr after tOutput
    end repeat


--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/





From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri Sep  4 09:06:46 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:06:46 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <D7020246-5A39-4747-8931-6502AECF4100@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>
	<BA80AF72-2CFF-42A6-96A2-9012717DCA5E@clubtype.co.uk>
	<D7020246-5A39-4747-8931-6502AECF4100@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <93939A32-78FD-4BB0-8B80-7B9D972F26C8@clubtype.co.uk>

Phil,

Thanks for spotting that a FUNCTION needs to be stated before mouseUp.
I knew that of course but overlooked it. Something that happens with  
irregular use of Rev.
Thanks too to everyone who responded to resolve my problems. In the  
process I learned a lot.
At least one thing I learned; I must learn more about Rev!

Adrian

On 3 Sep 2009, at 09:09, Phil Jimmieson wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> if the script in your email is exactly what you are using, then you  
> need to move the function declaration outside of the mouseup  
> handler. I don't think that these things can be nested.
>
> - - -
> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>    put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>    set the itemdelimiter to slash
>    put pFile into the last item of theFile
>    return theFile
> end getPathToFile
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   start using stack "My App"
>
>   put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>   removeFonts myList
>   put the result into rslt
>   if rslt is not empty then
>        answer information rslt
>   end if
>
>   --To use:
>   put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>   launch tFile
>
>   stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here  
> in my last message, this is not the problem)
> end mouseUp
> - - -
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:42, Adrian Williams wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> Mouse up calls stack script to remove installed font and return
>> result. That already works.
>> When adding the FUNCTION code, the FUNCTION line keeps throwing up  
>> the
>> error.
>> I've followed all the advice everyone has given - I'm stumped.
>> - - -
>> on mouseUp
>> start using stack "My App"
>>
>>   put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>>   removeFonts myList
>>   put the result into rslt
>>   if rslt is not empty then
>>        answer information rslt
>>   end if
>>
>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>> return theFile
>> end getPathToFile
>>
>> --To use:
>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>> launch tFile
>>
>> stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here in
>> my last message, this is not the problem)
>> end mouseUp
>> - - -
>> Does that help?
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which
>>> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of
>>> that object look like?
>>>
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>> Phil,
>>>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the
>>>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>>>> Object    OK
>>>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of
>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>>>> return theFile
>>>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --To use:
>>>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> len morgan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
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>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Sep  4 09:23:04 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 03:23:04 -1000
Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net>
References: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <007101ca2d62$d661a990$8324fcb0$@com>

Nicolas and Len,

Please run check for updates. 

Does it say there is one available? If so, accept the update and follow
prompts until "Finished"
Now exit and launch Revolution again. Check for updates again. This time it
should say you are up to date.

What you need to understand, at this point, is that just because you have
downloaded the latest version of Rev, you are not prevented from running
previous versions of Rev. There is an exception to this in that dp and rc
versions of Rev normally time-out. However, this time-out convention has
been disabled for the current 4.0 releases.

This means you can still run dp-3. Or, you can run dp-4. So now you need to
look at where you are running the Revolution IDE program from.

Look at where your Revolution IDE programs are located on your hard drive.
There should be a directory like Revolution Enterprise (if you run
revEnterprise). Under this directory should be (at least) two other
directories. 4.0.0-dp-3 and 4.0.0-dp-4. If you launch the revolution IDE
from the 4.0.0-dp-4 directory, then you are running dp-4.

Now, if you normally launch Rev by clicking on a .rev file, you may need to
change your file associations so that a .rev file is associated with dp-4
instead of dp-3. The update program usually gives you an option to change
your file associations to the latest version of rev. However it defaults to
No (which it should). So, you may need to do this manually if you want to
launch dp-4 when clicking on a .rev stack.

Hope this helps.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Len Morgan
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:42 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
> 
> I downloaded the latest version of revEnterprise which is supposed to
> be
> dp4.  However the "about Rev" page shows "Build 900 dp-3."  Is this the
> latest version and just mismarked on the about page or did "Check For
> Updates" get the wrong file?
> 
> Len Morgan
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From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Sep  4 09:15:00 2009
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:15:00 +0200
Subject: Internet site rules for on-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4770F51B-CD61-4923-88E7-52853DA08B9D@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4770F51B-CD61-4923-88E7-52853DA08B9D@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06240809c6c6c1c79d6e@[192.168.1.101]>

On 04.09.09 at 12:10 +0200 Francis Nugent Dixon apparently wrote:
>Several years ago, when they (Who are THEY ?) opened
>the suffix .fr, I immediately contacted a company who
>reserves site names, and they charge me some small fee
>every year, for retaining my site name. I am not sure
>if site name reservation is complicated, but then I
>suppose that if we all knew how to fill in a few forms,
>we would never need lawyers .....

Sounds like you are paying for what is calling domain parking. 
Parking refers to having a reserved a domain name which is not 
actively used. The site company maintains its record in their 
database and is charging you a small fee to keep the reservation 
active.

>Question : What do I do when I want to use the on-Rev
>site for my site location ? Must I continue paying the
>yearly fee to this Site Company, or can I short-circuit
>them, now that I have a lifetime with on-Rev ?

Once you decide you want to use your parked domain for a real site, 
you will, most likely, have to pay the site company more. It will not 
be parked anymore and its record will have to be modified to point to 
your on-rev site. On-Rev has instructions how to go about it.

Paying for domain is independent from paying for on-rev service. The 
former is a fee for having an internet address. The latter is a fee 
for using an internet provider, that is for serving your web pages 
and other files.

Robert


From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 10:33:22 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:33:22 +0900
Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
In-Reply-To: <007101ca2d62$d661a990$8324fcb0$@com>
References: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net> <007101ca2d62$d661a990$8324fcb0$@com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70909040733o4409a6f5n4316189cd36af9f9@mail.gmail.com>

> Several suggestions were offered -- check the Rev folder
> for a new folder "dp4", initiate the update not from dp3
> but from a previous version (3.5).

Thanks Jim but, as I wrote, your suggestion is not new. Tried it --
repeatedly! -- and I assure you there is no dp4 folder within my
RevEnterprise folder. Nor anywhere else on my hard-drive.

And have also tried several other suggested solutions. License
validation; managing versions (I have 2.6, 2.9, 3.5, 4.0dp4);
restarting the computer; etc. Both on XP and Vista. All fail -- and by
"fail" I mean nothing gets downloaded even though Rev says otherwise.

Besides, if something had been downloaded, even on my optical fiber
connection it should have taken a few seconds. But there is no
noticeable time lag at all in the whole process.

The source of the problem is not inexperience; have been using Rev for
years now. The problem is Rev dp3 and 3.5 state an update is
available, that update is accepted by me clicking on a series of
buttons, and yet, after restarting Rev, it is not dp4 but dp3 (or 3.5
using "Manage versions") that starts up -- of course, since nothing
was downloaded -- and still telling me that the dp4 update is
available.

Oh well.

Still waiting for dp4...

--
Nicolas Cueto


From kevin at stallibrass.com  Fri Sep  4 10:37:40 2009
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:37:40 +0100
Subject: Problems with libURLftpUploadFile
Message-ID: <000c01ca2d6d$422708a0$c67519e0$@com>

Hi all,

 

I have a problem where:

 

Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL

libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"

 

works fine but.

 

Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL

Put "c:/myfile.txt" into tFilepath

libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL , "showStatus"

 

Results in "c:/myfile.txt" instead of the correct data being written into
the uploaded text file 

The same happens if I use libURLftpUpload

 

So, is it not possible to use 2 variables? Or am I missing something

 

Regards

 

Kevin Stallibrass

 

 



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 10:42:53 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:42:53 -0700
Subject: Internet site rules for on-Rev
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c6c6c1c79d6e@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <4770F51B-CD61-4923-88E7-52853DA08B9D@wanadoo.fr>
	<p06240809c6c6c1c79d6e@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <97A74F73-F6D5-43FC-89ED-131971705DDB@yahoo.com>

On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:15 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> On 04.09.09 at 12:10 +0200 Francis Nugent Dixon apparently wrote:
>> Several years ago, when they (Who are THEY ?) opened
>> the suffix .fr, I immediately contacted a company who
>> reserves site names, and they charge me some small fee
>> every year, for retaining my site name. I am not sure
>> if site name reservation is complicated, but then I
>> suppose that if we all knew how to fill in a few forms,
>> we would never need lawyers .....
>
> Sounds like you are paying for what is calling domain parking.  
> Parking refers to having a reserved a domain name which is not  
> actively used. The site company maintains its record in their  
> database and is charging you a small fee to keep the reservation  
> active.

Ah, yes, the confusing world of internet identities and entities.
Hopefully this will shed some light.

There is a difference between
   domain registration
   domain parking
   domain active hosting

Domain registration is paying for the ownership of a domain.  It does  
not have to be used.  Millions of domains are owned but not used.
The registrar maintains the records and these are available using WHOIS.
-- example  use your browser to go to      http://www.internic.net/whois.html
-- type in a Domain,     eg    on-rev.com
    Domain Name: ON-REV.COM
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
    Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
    Name Server: NS1.ON-REV.COM
    Name Server: NS2.ON-REV.COM
    Name Server: NS3.ON-REV.COM
--------------------

Domain parking and active hosting are part of the *hosting* service

Domain parking lets you cheaply display an "under construction"  
default page on your web host.
You can register a domain and not park it anywhere but then your site  
will be simply inaccessible until you get a web host.
    "404 error not found"

Domain serving means you have a home page (index.html, index.php, etc)  
and other pages that respond to queries from browsers and other  
programs (like Rev using the post command)
   The sequence for this to happen:
   1  Pay a registrar in order to own the domain
   2  Fill in the information, including your contact details
   3  Set the parameters for renewal, security, locking, etc
   4  Contact a hosting company (eg. On-Rev)
   5  Use cPanel to set up your home folder on the host server
   6  Find the DNS server details at On-Rev
   7  Go to your registrar site, into the administer domains area
   8  Enter the DNS details and update the registration record
   9  Wait 24 to 72 hours for all the ISP computers around the world  
to be notified
  10  Everyone can now use yourDomain.com (case *insensitive*) to  
reach your home folder
  11  Everyone can now use yourDomain.com/aboutUs.html (case  
*sensitive* after '.com/' to reach one of your pages

The reason for case sensitive is that Unix and Linux operating systems  
are case sensitive for file and folder names.  On-Rev uses Linux.

If you wish to secure the use of a domain name rather than lose it to  
someone else, buy ownership with a registrar.
If you wish to park the domain to produce an under construction page,  
do this with your hosting provider.

You can have more than one web hosting company, but a single domain  
can only be hosted in one location.
An example would be that you have a company domain, a Facebook page,  
an eBlogger blog, and some YouTube videos.
All of these are hosted on different servers but are part of your  
company and marketing presence.
You could add a WordPress blog to your On-Rev site at yourDomain.com/ 
inhouseBlog.php using cPanel and the automatic installer.

As you can see, most of today's active businesses use several servers  
hosted by different companies.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri Sep  4 11:12:36 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Simulcast Envy...and a small request for Kevin
In-Reply-To: <4AA089D5.1080108@crcom.net>
References: <4A9FADF9.8060701@crcom.net>
	<F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A64B@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<341C1758-FC0E-4B97-A48F-961B722E666A@me.com>
	<4AA089D5.1080108@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <25296234.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hey Len, are we playing poker here? :)
Alright I'm in - couple of bucks.

Your counter.

Mark Stuart



Len Morgan wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd even pony up for a PPV of the keynote.
> 
> len
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From psahores at free.fr  Fri Sep  4 11:10:13 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:10:13 +0200
Subject: Problems with libURLftpUploadFile
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca2d6d$422708a0$c67519e0$@com>
References: <000c01ca2d6d$422708a0$c67519e0$@com>
Message-ID: <9F584A4A-ACEA-4C1F-B1D4-BB23BB0BD148@free.fr>

Try this working 24/7 there (Rev Ent 3.5, OS X 10.5.8)

put url ("binfile:" & path_to_thefile_to_upload) into url  
(your_FTP_server_credentials at address & the_remote_path & "/" &  
the_uploaded_file_name))
if url (FTP_Server_Address.../the_uploaded_file_name) is "" then beep

Cheers,

P.

Le 4 sept. 09 ? 16:37, Kevin Stallibrass a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a problem where:
>
>
>
> Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
>
> libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"
>
>
>
> works fine but.
>
>
>
> Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
>
> Put "c:/myfile.txt" into tFilepath
>
> libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL , "showStatus"
>
>
>
> Results in "c:/myfile.txt" instead of the correct data being written  
> into
> the uploaded text file
>
> The same happens if I use libURLftpUpload
>
>
>
> So, is it not possible to use 2 variables? Or am I missing something
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Kevin Stallibrass
>
>
>
>
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Sep  4 11:23:57 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 05:23:57 -1000
Subject: What is the current version of Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70909040733o4409a6f5n4316189cd36af9f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AA0FD06.5090206@crcom.net> <007101ca2d62$d661a990$8324fcb0$@com>
	<1e91b2b70909040733o4409a6f5n4316189cd36af9f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007201ca2d73$b92d4080$2b87c180$@com>

Hi Nicolas,

> Thanks Jim but, as I wrote, your suggestion is not new. Tried it --
> repeatedly! -- and I assure you there is no dp4 folder within my
> RevEnterprise folder. Nor anywhere else on my hard-drive.

Didn't follow back the whole thread before I answered.
 
> And have also tried several other suggested solutions. License
> validation; managing versions (I have 2.6, 2.9, 3.5, 4.0dp4);
> restarting the computer; etc. Both on XP and Vista. All fail -- and by
> "fail" I mean nothing gets downloaded even though Rev says otherwise.

OK. Now I know you are on PC. I have downloaded dp-4 to both Vista and XP
the day it was announced. There was nothing unusual.

> Besides, if something had been downloaded, even on my optical fiber
> connection it should have taken a few seconds. But there is no
> noticeable time lag at all in the whole process.

Yes, as you know, the update process downloads about 11 or 12 files and you
should see around this number of progress bars appear one after another.

> The source of the problem is not inexperience; have been using Rev for
> years now. The problem is Rev dp3 and 3.5 state an update is
> available, that update is accepted by me clicking on a series of
> buttons, and yet, after restarting Rev, it is not dp4 but dp3 (or 3.5
> using "Manage versions") that starts up -- of course, since nothing
> was downloaded -- and still telling me that the dp4 update is
> available.

OK, something else has to be afoot here. You obviously updated to dp-3 using
the update process, as a dp is not separately downloadable, as far as I
know.

So, what's different between this time and the time you did it before? Did
Vista go to SP2 in the meanwhile? Did the UAC change? Have you tried running
Rev as administrator by right clicking on it and choosing run as
administrator, before attempting the upgrade? Better yet, can you log in as
THE Administrator and run the upgrade process from this account as opposed
to a user with admin privileges? That it is happening on XP also is a bit
puzzling because XP is much more tolerant of UAC issues. I wonder... has
your subscription run out and maybe the bug is that Rev is not notifying you
of this? Obviously you are dealing with something that happened over a short
time here. 

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep  4 11:36:14 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:36:14 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video!
Message-ID: <9BE4B568-6736-43A6-B332-92E83EA7F25E@me.com>

Fellow coders,

We have a couple of nice, new features for tRev today. It is, after  
all...Feature Friday!

There's a 3 minute video showing how they work.

http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-a-great-new-preference

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri Sep  4 12:46:29 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:46:29 -0700
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <20090904132357.0AC5F48AB91@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090904132357.0AC5F48AB91@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AA14465.6010507@castandcrew.com>

Namaste, Swami

I am not sure of the answer to your question, but to debug problems like 
this I use the Unix utility "od"  for example, with the -c flag.  (od = 
octal dump).

Then you can see exactly what characters are in your original, and/or, 
an example that works right, that need to be replaced/emulated for the 
line ending conversions.

Make sense? hope it helps.

Aum Aum
Sadhu


From joef1 at mac.com  Fri Sep  4 15:23:17 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:23:17 -0400
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>

The trick is to use uniencode/unidecode for everything.
Three separate examples:

  ask file "Name new file:" with "NewFile.xml"
  put "binfile:" & it into theNewFileName
  get the unicodetext of cd fld 1
  put unidecode(it,"utf8") into url (theNewFileName)
------------------------------------------
  set the unicodetext of cd fld 1 to uniencode(tMyUnicode,"utf8")
------------------------------------------
  put URL (theFTPRequest) into theDownLoadedText
  put uniencode(theDownLoadedText,"utf8") into theDownLoadedText
  put unidecode(theDownLoadedText,"ANSI") into cd fld 1 of cd id 4630



On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I have some UTF-16 unicode raw text. If I import this into Pages, it  
> displays the font correctly and also the line breaks between  
> paragraphs correctly
>
> But if I use this function:
>
> on mouseUp
> answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
> if it is empty then exit mouseUp
> put "binfile:" & it into urlName
> replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in urlName
> set the unicodeText of fld "display" to url urlName
> end mouseUp
>
> the line breaks are not appearing in the field in revolution.
>
> Also if I try to analyze what chars are there, where the line break  
> should be, by selecting across a missing line break and then use  
> this test:
>
> on mouseUp
>  set the useUnicode to true
>  if the selection is empty then
>     answer "No Selection" with "ok"
>  end if
>  put the selection into tUnicode
>  put tUnicode
>  repeat for each char x in tUnicode
>     put  chartonum(x) & cr after tOutput      end repeat
> put tOutput # returns empty
> end mouseUp
>
> I get nothing in the msg box. If I switch from Tamil Inaimathi (Mac  
> unicode font) to Anjal Chittu unicode, The Tamil displays correctly  
> and now I can clearly see a two byte block
>
> space+square-box-symbol (somewhat transparent) where the line breaks  
> should be. But it still returns empty on an empty to determine what  
> the bytes are....
>
> How do we deal with/import correctly, line breaks in unicode text in  
> Revolution?
>
> I plan to create an editing environment as a revlet for online  
> work... and unicode will be imported and exported freely for later  
> use in InDesign. Obviously CRLF (or whatever it is in Unicode) needs  
> to be preserved.
>
> Thanks!
> Sivakatirswami
> "completely Unicode newbie"
>
>
>
>
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From joef1 at mac.com  Fri Sep  4 15:39:11 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:39:11 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Client Update?
Message-ID: <29694B35-B169-4D03-8C64-6BA8555A4E4C@mac.com>

Did anyone get this?
I got an email a week ago saying the engine and client had been  
updated, but upon download the same 0.1.4 version of the client is  
what I get.

Joe F.


From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep  4 15:50:57 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: My slides are up
In-Reply-To: <28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>
References: <28EF80FE-CB98-4EFA-BF4D-11AEFFCF5462@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <25300847.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks! :)

Salut,
Josep
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/My-slides-are-up-tp25278489p25300847.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Sep  4 15:53:23 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:53:23 +0200
Subject: words matter
Message-ID: <243E8214-7C0E-479D-8485-8FCAEF6B97BF@mines-paristech.fr>

Is this perfectly rational (revolution-wise of course)?

If I do

put empty into myText
put "aa" into item 1 of myText
put "bb" into item 2 of myText
answer myText

I get (as expected)
"aa,bb"

while, if I do

put empty into myText
put "aa" into word 1 of myText
put "bb" into word 2 of myText
answer myText

I get
"aabb"
(while I would expect "aa bb").

?


this is revStudio 3.5 gm-2 (and maybe my brains are still in HC)

Fran?ois



From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep  4 15:57:14 2009
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:57:14 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard problem on a Mac Air
In-Reply-To: <D38C1B0C-658D-4CC8-B728-1936B6C6A22E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A9EEA19.9040907@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3C5C808A-E6D5-4094-BF74-CFE2A9E58419@embarqmail.com>
	<D38C1B0C-658D-4CC8-B728-1936B6C6A22E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <72C3F3AA-A7F7-4CA0-A676-3B1D8ABAADCD@embarqmail.com>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your suggestions. Patent Grabber was already installed on  
the user's Mac when he upgraded to Snow Leopard. So I am not sure  
that the permissions of my standalone would be a problem when it was  
working fine until my user's upgrade. Or are you suggesting that my  
user should run the command that you provided because the permissions  
of his particular copy became corrupted?

I suggested to him that he download and upzip a fresh copy now that  
Snow Leopard is installed. I don't know how that could make a  
difference, but computers can do weird things sometimes!

Regards,

Bruce

On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> Make sure that all files inside the standalone have the right  
> permissions.
>
> chmod -R 755 pathToStandalone
>
> It is also possible that the download is corrupt or that the  
> customer copied the standalone incompletely onto his hard disk. You  
> also need to make sure that the standalone is universal or for  
> Intel and not for PPC.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 3 sep 2009, at 01:22, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>
>> One user of my Patent Grabber application has reported that the  
>> app simply opens and quits now that he has upgraded to Snow  
>> Leopard. Here is his message:
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> I upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6 then the patent grabber 5.6 version  
>> will automatic close it when I try to open the program.
>>
>> I have Mac Air information of my machine as the following  
>> (Traditional Chinese version)
>>
>>
>> ????:	MacBook Air
>>  ?????:	MacBookAir2,1
>>  ?????:	Intel Core 2 Duo
>>  ?????:	1.86 GHz
>>  ?????:	1
>>  ?????:	2
>>  L2 ?????:	6 MB
>>  ???:	2 GB
>>  ?????:	1.07 GHz
>>  Boot ROM ??:	MBA21.0075.B03
>>  SMC ??????:	1.34f8
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> Any ideas? I had one person from the U.S. report that he had no  
>> problems with running Patent Grabber under Snow Leopard.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bruce Pokras
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Sep  4 16:17:53 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:17:53 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Client Update?
In-Reply-To: <29694B35-B169-4D03-8C64-6BA8555A4E4C@mac.com>
References: <29694B35-B169-4D03-8C64-6BA8555A4E4C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <38E9FE15-0CEE-4F84-8201-170087C52BCB@verizon.net>


On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Joe F. wrote:

> I got an email a week ago saying the engine and client had been  
> updated, but upon download the same 0.1.4 version of the client is  
> what I get.

Same thing happened for me. I told them that it was the same old  
version.




From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Sep  4 16:30:19 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:30:19 -1000
Subject: words matter
In-Reply-To: <243E8214-7C0E-479D-8485-8FCAEF6B97BF@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <243E8214-7C0E-479D-8485-8FCAEF6B97BF@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <00a501ca2d9e$86086420$92192c60$@com>

Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
 
> Is this perfectly rational (revolution-wise of course)?
> 
> If I do
> 
> put empty into myText
> put "aa" into item 1 of myText
> put "bb" into item 2 of myText
> answer myText
> 
> I get (as expected)
> "aa,bb"
> 
> while, if I do
> 
> put empty into myText
> put "aa" into word 1 of myText
> put "bb" into word 2 of myText
> answer myText
> 
> I get
> "aabb"
> (while I would expect "aa bb").
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> this is revStudio 3.5 gm-2 (and maybe my brains are still in HC)

I've confirmed this. Maybe not rational, perfectly or otherwise. ;-) But, as
a simple work around, you can:

set itemdel to space
put "aa" into item 1 of myText
put "bb" into item 2 of myText

And you will get "aa bb"

Then put word 1 of myText into myWord will give you "aa"

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Sep  4 16:53:54 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:53:54 +0200
Subject: words matter
In-Reply-To: <00a501ca2d9e$86086420$92192c60$@com>
References: <243E8214-7C0E-479D-8485-8FCAEF6B97BF@mines-paristech.fr>
	<00a501ca2d9e$86086420$92192c60$@com>
Message-ID: <03E234BE-A5D7-47DC-8B7C-B9380FECC84E@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 4 sept. 09 ? 22:30, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> Is this perfectly rational (revolution-wise of course)?
>>
>> If I do
>>
>> put empty into myText
>> put "aa" into item 1 of myText
>> put "bb" into item 2 of myText
>> answer myText
>>
>> I get (as expected)
>> "aa,bb"
>>
>> while, if I do
>>
>> put empty into myText
>> put "aa" into word 1 of myText
>> put "bb" into word 2 of myText
>> answer myText
>>
>> I get
>> "aabb"
>> (while I would expect "aa bb").
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> this is revStudio 3.5 gm-2 (and maybe my brains are still in HC)
>
> I've confirmed this. Maybe not rational, perfectly or otherwise. ;-)  
> But, as
> a simple work around, you can:
>
> set itemdel to space
> put "aa" into item 1 of myText
> put "bb" into item 2 of myText
>
> And you will get "aa bb"
>
> Then put word 1 of myText into myWord will give you "aa"
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>

Thanks for the confirmation. So some chunks are more equal than  
others...

cheers,
	Fran?ois



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 17:13:06 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:13:06 -0700
Subject: words matter
In-Reply-To: <00a501ca2d9e$86086420$92192c60$@com>
References: <243E8214-7C0E-479D-8485-8FCAEF6B97BF@mines-paristech.fr>
	<00a501ca2d9e$86086420$92192c60$@com>
Message-ID: <9442087E-D180-4806-BF2A-0C3317A303DA@yahoo.com>

I think the rationale is that there is no single character to delimit  
words, but rather many possibilities.
  [ space tab space.space.tab.space  space.cr.space.cr.cr ]

In the docs
Comments:
A word is delimited by one or more spaces, tabs, or returns, or  
enclosed by double quotes. A single word can contain multiple  
characters and multiple items, but not multiple lines.

so using
>> put empty into myText
>> put "aa" into word 1 of myText
>> put "bb" into word 2 of myText
>> answer myText


does not really define exactly which separation character or  
characters to use.
There is no wordDelimiter.

Try this riddle

on testt
    put "thisisa" & cr & "wordOnLine1" into wordz
    put word 1 of wordz
    set the lineDelimiter to Z
    put cr & cr after msg

    put word 1 of wordz after msg
    put cr & cr after msg
    put "thisisaZtimeforallofus" into wordz
    put word 1 of wordz after msg

    put cr & cr after msg
    put line 1 of wordz after msg

end testt

Conclusion is that you can change the lineDelimiter to 'Z' and get a  
different line chunk than cr,
but this does not change the definition of a word when it comes to a cr.
Thus a cr IS always a word separator, but a cr CAN BE a line delimiter.

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> Is this perfectly rational (revolution-wise of course)?
>>
>> If I do
>>
>> put empty into myText
>> put "aa" into item 1 of myText
>> put "bb" into item 2 of myText
>> answer myText
>>
>> I get (as expected)
>> "aa,bb"
>>
>> while, if I do
>>
>> put empty into myText
>> put "aa" into word 1 of myText
>> put "bb" into word 2 of myText
>> answer myText
>>
>> I get
>> "aabb"
>> (while I would expect "aa bb").
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> this is revStudio 3.5 gm-2 (and maybe my brains are still in HC)
>
> I've confirmed this. Maybe not rational, perfectly or otherwise. ;-)  
> But, as
> a simple work around, you can:
>
> set itemdel to space
> put "aa" into item 1 of myText
> put "bb" into item 2 of myText
>
> And you will get "aa bb"
>
> Then put word 1 of myText into myWord will give you "aa"
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
> _______________________________________________
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Jim Ault
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep  4 17:33:29 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:33:29 -0700
Subject: On-Rev Client Update?
In-Reply-To: <38E9FE15-0CEE-4F84-8201-170087C52BCB@verizon.net>
References: <29694B35-B169-4D03-8C64-6BA8555A4E4C@mac.com>
	<38E9FE15-0CEE-4F84-8201-170087C52BCB@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909041433r4bf9d4c3r51315ee0d645a82e@mail.gmail.com>

I *THOUGHT* the client was exactly the same....looked at it, used it, but I
didn't look at the version #.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/4 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>

>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Joe F. wrote:
>
>  I got an email a week ago saying the engine and client had been updated,
>> but upon download the same 0.1.4 version of the client is what I get.
>>
>
> Same thing happened for me. I told them that it was the same old version.
>
>
>
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 17:53:14 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:53:14 -0400
Subject: faxing from a rev stack?
In-Reply-To: <107AE8A8-7EB6-456E-AD7A-5D621E04AA5E@gmail.com>
References: <0F09D194-FD70-4DFA-B2A8-D2ECA1D9370B@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909032104v67e2b9c8ged5225268074cba6@mail.gmail.com>
	<107AE8A8-7EB6-456E-AD7A-5D621E04AA5E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E174261-5687-4D8E-89C1-DB492C1D0489@gmail.com>

Thanks, and thanks to Stephen and Sarah, for the pointers. This will  
give me some things to look into.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:

>
> On 4 Sep 2009, at 12:04, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> Peter, I do this by using an online fax service that accepts emails
>> and sends them & their attachments out as faxes.
>> Unless you are sending lots of faxes, this is a lot cheaper than
>> buying a fax machine.
>
> You can send and receive faxes directly from a Mac which either has  
> a built-in modem or using an Apple USB modem. (Depending on the  
> comparative charges, the online fax service could still end up  
> cheaper).
>
> I don't yet know enough about Revolution to properly answer Peter's  
> question but as a Fax is automatically added to the list of printers  
> shown in the printer dialog in OS X when a fax modem is attached and  
> connected to a phone line, I guess it could well be possible.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Sep  4 17:57:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:57:33 -1000
Subject: words matter
In-Reply-To: <9442087E-D180-4806-BF2A-0C3317A303DA@yahoo.com>
References: <243E8214-7C0E-479D-8485-8FCAEF6B97BF@mines-paristech.fr>	<00a501ca2d9e$86086420$92192c60$@com>
	<9442087E-D180-4806-BF2A-0C3317A303DA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00af01ca2daa$b5b32ff0$21198fd0$@com>

Of course. It's exactly what Jim points out. And, I believe in either 2.9 or
3.0 there was a change in how words are delimited. It's in one of the change
logs. So this makes words "more equal." ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: words matter
> 
> I think the rationale is that there is no single character to delimit
> words, but rather many possibilities.
>   [ space tab space.space.tab.space  space.cr.space.cr.cr ]
> 
> In the docs
> Comments:
> A word is delimited by one or more spaces, tabs, or returns, or
> enclosed by double quotes. A single word can contain multiple
> characters and multiple items, but not multiple lines.
> 
> so using
> >> put empty into myText
> >> put "aa" into word 1 of myText
> >> put "bb" into word 2 of myText
> >> answer myText
> 
> 
> does not really define exactly which separation character or
> characters to use.
> There is no wordDelimiter.
> 
> Try this riddle
> 
> on testt
>     put "thisisa" & cr & "wordOnLine1" into wordz
>     put word 1 of wordz
>     set the lineDelimiter to Z
>     put cr & cr after msg
> 
>     put word 1 of wordz after msg
>     put cr & cr after msg
>     put "thisisaZtimeforallofus" into wordz
>     put word 1 of wordz after msg
> 
>     put cr & cr after msg
>     put line 1 of wordz after msg
> 
> end testt
> 
> Conclusion is that you can change the lineDelimiter to 'Z' and get a
> different line chunk than cr,
> but this does not change the definition of a word when it comes to a
> cr.
> Thus a cr IS always a word separator, but a cr CAN BE a line delimiter.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
> 
> > Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
> >
> >> Is this perfectly rational (revolution-wise of course)?
> >>
> >> If I do
> >>
> >> put empty into myText
> >> put "aa" into item 1 of myText
> >> put "bb" into item 2 of myText
> >> answer myText
> >>
> >> I get (as expected)
> >> "aa,bb"
> >>
> >> while, if I do
> >>
> >> put empty into myText
> >> put "aa" into word 1 of myText
> >> put "bb" into word 2 of myText
> >> answer myText
> >>
> >> I get
> >> "aabb"
> >> (while I would expect "aa bb").
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> this is revStudio 3.5 gm-2 (and maybe my brains are still in HC)
> >
> > I've confirmed this. Maybe not rational, perfectly or otherwise. ;-)
> > But, as
> > a simple work around, you can:
> >
> > set itemdel to space
> > put "aa" into item 1 of myText
> > put "bb" into item 2 of myText
> >
> > And you will get "aa bb"
> >
> > Then put word 1 of myText into myWord will give you "aa"
> >
> > Aloha from Hawaii,
> >
> > Jim Bufalini
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> Jim Ault
> jimaultwins at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Sep  4 18:01:29 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:01:29 -1000
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
	<BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>

Aloha, Joe:

I'm not quite sure how your suggestion relates to the problem of endlines.

The unicode.txt file I have is being read OK in Pages on the mac.
It also loads just fine in Rev, with the exception of the line breaks

I'm not sure where the uniencode/unidecode  could be used to solve the 
line break issue.

Sivakatirswami




Joe F. wrote:
> The trick is to use uniencode/unidecode for everything.
> Three separate examples:
>
>  ask file "Name new file:" with "NewFile.xml"
>  put "binfile:" & it into theNewFileName
>  get the unicodetext of cd fld 1
>  put unidecode(it,"utf8") into url (theNewFileName)
> ------------------------------------------
>  set the unicodetext of cd fld 1 to uniencode(tMyUnicode,"utf8")
> ------------------------------------------
>  put URL (theFTPRequest) into theDownLoadedText
>  put uniencode(theDownLoadedText,"utf8") into theDownLoadedText
>  put unidecode(theDownLoadedText,"ANSI") into cd fld 1 of cd id 4630
>
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> I have some UTF-16 unicode raw text. If I import this into Pages, it 
>> displays the font correctly and also the line breaks between 
>> paragraphs correctly
>>
>> But if I use this function:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>> answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
>> if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>> put "binfile:" & it into urlName
>> replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in urlName
>> set the unicodeText of fld "display" to url urlName
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> the line breaks are not appearing in the field in revolution.
>>
>> Also if I try to analyze what chars are there, where the line break 
>> should be, by selecting across a missing line break and then use this 
>> test:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>  set the useUnicode to true
>>  if the selection is empty then
>>     answer "No Selection" with "ok"
>>  end if
>>  put the selection into tUnicode
>>  put tUnicode
>>  repeat for each char x in tUnicode
>>     put  chartonum(x) & cr after tOutput      end repeat
>> put tOutput # returns empty
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> I get nothing in the msg box. If I switch from Tamil Inaimathi (Mac 
>> unicode font) to Anjal Chittu unicode, The Tamil displays correctly 
>> and now I can clearly see a two byte block
>>
>> space+square-box-symbol (somewhat transparent) where the line breaks 
>> should be. But it still returns empty on an empty to determine what 
>> the bytes are....
>>
>> How do we deal with/import correctly, line breaks in unicode text in 
>> Revolution?
>>
>> I plan to create an editing environment as a revlet for online 
>> work... and unicode will be imported and exported freely for later 
>> use in InDesign. Obviously CRLF (or whatever it is in Unicode) needs 
>> to be preserved.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sivakatirswami
>> "completely Unicode newbie"
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep  4 18:33:46 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:33:46 -0700
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
	<BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>
	<4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909041533u66a95335xd1689558a5184f19@mail.gmail.com>

Why are you replacing the CRs with LFs? doesn't the engine's Unicode
functions handle line endings?
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/4 Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>

> Aloha, Joe:
>
> I'm not quite sure how your suggestion relates to the problem of endlines.
>
> The unicode.txt file I have is being read OK in Pages on the mac.
> It also loads just fine in Rev, with the exception of the line breaks
>
> I'm not sure where the uniencode/unidecode  could be used to solve the line
> break issue.
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 20:38:02 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:38:02 -0700
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
	<BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>
	<4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <6BF8D763-527D-45B6-A257-418521D13144@yahoo.com>

On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Aloha, Joe:
>
> I'm not quite sure how your suggestion relates to the problem of  
> endlines.
>
> The unicode.txt file I have is being read OK in Pages on the mac.
> It also loads just fine in Rev, with the exception of the line breaks
>
> I'm not sure where the uniencode/unidecode  could be used to solve  
> the line break issue.
<full quote appears below>

 From the dictionary

     set the useUnicode to true
    Specifies whether the charToNum and numToChar functions assume a  
character is double-byte.

Perhaps the issue for me is:

If you are using UTF-16, that means that every character is  
represented as double-byte.
If you do a replacement using numtochar(13), it seems to me that the  
'replace' scan of the string is only looking as single-bytes, unless  
you set the useUnicode to true.

Some programs, like BBEdit, try to detect the encoding, but this does  
not always work.  I think the BOM is supposed to be the flag for the  
encoding, but this is not always clear.

In BBEdit one of the File menu commands is "Reopen Using Encoding >"
with (6) choices..
Unicode(UTF-8)
Unicode(UTF-8, no BOM)
Unicode(UTF-16)
Unicode(UTF-16, no BOM)
Unicode(UTF-16, Little Endian)
Unicode(UTF-16, Little Endian, no BOM)
thus there must be some trial and error involved depending on the  
source of the Unicode string.

I know this is confusing and I will be diving into the arena very soon.

(I will avoid any hint of a Mac arena pun because I don't want that  
tune bouncing around in my head.)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Aloha, Joe:
>
> I'm not quite sure how your suggestion relates to the problem of  
> endlines.
>
> The unicode.txt file I have is being read OK in Pages on the mac.
> It also loads just fine in Rev, with the exception of the line breaks
>
> I'm not sure where the uniencode/unidecode  could be used to solve  
> the line break issue.
>
> Joe F. wrote:
>> The trick is to use uniencode/unidecode for everything.
>> Three separate examples:
>>
>> ask file "Name new file:" with "NewFile.xml"
>> put "binfile:" & it into theNewFileName
>> get the unicodetext of cd fld 1
>> put unidecode(it,"utf8") into url (theNewFileName)
>> ------------------------------------------
>> set the unicodetext of cd fld 1 to uniencode(tMyUnicode,"utf8")
>> ------------------------------------------
>> put URL (theFTPRequest) into theDownLoadedText
>> put uniencode(theDownLoadedText,"utf8") into theDownLoadedText
>> put unidecode(theDownLoadedText,"ANSI") into cd fld 1 of cd id 4630
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>
>>> I have some UTF-16 unicode raw text. If I import this into Pages,  
>>> it displays the font correctly and also the line breaks between  
>>> paragraphs correctly
>>>
>>> But if I use this function:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>> answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
>>> if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>>> put "binfile:" & it into urlName
>>> replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in urlName
>>> set the unicodeText of fld "display" to url urlName
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> the line breaks are not appearing in the field in revolution.
>>>
>>> Also if I try to analyze what chars are there, where the line  
>>> break should be, by selecting across a missing line break and then  
>>> use this test:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>> set the useUnicode to true
>>> if the selection is empty then
>>>    answer "No Selection" with "ok"
>>> end if
>>> put the selection into tUnicode
>>> put tUnicode
>>> repeat for each char x in tUnicode
>>>    put  chartonum(x) & cr after tOutput      end repeat
>>> put tOutput # returns empty
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> I get nothing in the msg box. If I switch from Tamil Inaimathi  
>>> (Mac unicode font) to Anjal Chittu unicode, The Tamil displays  
>>> correctly and now I can clearly see a two byte block
>>>
>>> space+square-box-symbol (somewhat transparent) where the line  
>>> breaks should be. But it still returns empty on an empty to  
>>> determine what the bytes are....
>>>
>>> How do we deal with/import correctly, line breaks in unicode text  
>>> in Revolution?
>>>
>>> I plan to create an editing environment as a revlet for online  
>>> work... and unicode will be imported and exported freely for later  
>>> use in InDesign. Obviously CRLF (or whatever it is in Unicode)  
>>> needs to be preserved.



From index at kenjikojima.com  Fri Sep  4 20:41:39 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:41:39 -0400
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
Message-ID: <16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>

Hi,

I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.
http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/

It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command
http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html

I can play it on MacOS.  I have two problems.

1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only a  
border appears.

2) I made a temporary MIID file into specialfolderpath("temporary"). and
  set the filename of player "playMidi" to (specialfolderpath 
("temporary") &"/playPmdTemp.mid")
It works on MacOS, but not on Windows.


Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/







From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep  4 20:44:49 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:49 -0700
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
	<16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909041744h41349f4fu2b14926ef709f1ec@mail.gmail.com>

and quicktime is installed in your Windows system?
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/4 Kenji Kojima <index at kenjikojima.com>

> Hi,
>
> I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/
>
> It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html
>
> I can play it on MacOS.  I have two problems.
>
> 1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only a border
> appears.
>
> 2) I made a temporary MIID file into specialfolderpath("temporary"). and
>  set the filename of player "playMidi" to (specialfolderpath("temporary")
> &"/playPmdTemp.mid")
> It works on MacOS, but not on Windows.
>
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Kenji Kojima
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Fri Sep  4 20:51:42 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:51:42 -0400
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909041744h41349f4fu2b14926ef709f1ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
	<16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
	<e5e009d70909041744h41349f4fu2b14926ef709f1ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E0525EC-C412-4785-B149-8414FC84D0E9@kenjikojima.com>

On Sep 4, 2009, at 08:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> and quicktime is installed in your Windows system?

Oh! I reinstalled a fresh Windows XP last month.
I think that was the reason.

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/
>>
>> It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html
>>
>> I can play it on MacOS.  I have two problems.
>>
>> 1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only  
>> a border
>> appears.
>>
>> 2) I made a temporary MIID file into specialfolderpath 
>> ("temporary"). and
>> set the filename of player "playMidi" to (specialfolderpath 
>> ("temporary")
>> &"/playPmdTemp.mid")
>> It works on MacOS, but not on Windows.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Fri Sep  4 21:21:19 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:21:19 -0400
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909041744h41349f4fu2b14926ef709f1ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
	<16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
	<e5e009d70909041744h41349f4fu2b14926ef709f1ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D690C2E-B082-4F3D-A9AF-4C0E912F05D7@kenjikojima.com>

stephen,

I installed QuickTime7 on my Windows.
I could play a MIDI sound and a controller appeared.

I installed QuickTime 10 on my Mac.
The controller problem might be QT version.

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




On Sep 4, 2009, at 08:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> and quicktime is installed in your Windows system?
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/4 Kenji Kojima <index at kenjikojima.com>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/
>>
>> It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html
>>
>> I can play it on MacOS.  I have two problems.
>>
>> 1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only  
>> a border
>> appears.
>>
>> 2) I made a temporary MIID file into specialfolderpath 
>> ("temporary"). and
>> set the filename of player "playMidi" to (specialfolderpath 
>> ("temporary")
>> &"/playPmdTemp.mid")
>> It works on MacOS, but not on Windows.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep  4 21:35:12 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:35:12 -0700
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
Message-ID: <4AA1C050.2050204@fourthworld.com>

My fellow petroglyph prowler Jim Ault wrote:

> Some programs, like BBEdit, try to detect the encoding, but this does  
> not always work.  I think the BOM is supposed to be the flag for the  
> encoding, but this is not always clear.
> 
> In BBEdit one of the File menu commands is "Reopen Using Encoding >"
> with (6) choices..
> Unicode(UTF-8)
> Unicode(UTF-8, no BOM)
> Unicode(UTF-16)
> Unicode(UTF-16, no BOM)
> Unicode(UTF-16, Little Endian)
> Unicode(UTF-16, Little Endian, no BOM)
> thus there must be some trial and error involved depending on the  
> source of the Unicode string.
> 
> I know this is confusing and I will be diving into the arena very soon.
> 
> (I will avoid any hint of a Mac arena pun because I don't want that  
> tune bouncing around in my head.)

The handler I posted a couple weeks ago based some snipped Mark Wieder 
posted using some snippets Mark Waddingham shared with him seems to be 
holding up okay with the limited testing I've done so far:

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-August/127009.html>

Hope that helps.  If you find ways it breaks please let me know; it'll 
help round out our testing here.  Thanks.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From joef1 at mac.com  Fri Sep  4 22:34:18 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:34:18 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Client Update?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909041433r4bf9d4c3r51315ee0d645a82e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29694B35-B169-4D03-8C64-6BA8555A4E4C@mac.com>
	<38E9FE15-0CEE-4F84-8201-170087C52BCB@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d70909041433r4bf9d4c3r51315ee0d645a82e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4EFF486-8FC8-4B6B-87FA-0EFA0ECDBB22@mac.com>

It's the little things, isn't it?

On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:33 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> I *THOUGHT* the client was exactly the same....looked at it, used  
> it, but I
> didn't look at the version #.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/4 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
>
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Joe F. wrote:
>>
>> I got an email a week ago saying the engine and client had been  
>> updated,
>>> but upon download the same 0.1.4 version of the client is what I  
>>> get.
>>>
>>
>> Same thing happened for me. I told them that it was the same old  
>> version.
>>
>>
>>
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Sep  4 23:06:26 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:06:26 -1000
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909041533u66a95335xd1689558a5184f19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>	<BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>	<4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
	<e5e009d70909041533u66a95335xd1689558a5184f19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA1D5B2.6000900@hindu.org>

stephen barncard wrote:
> Why are you replacing the CRs with LFs? doesn't the engine's Unicode
> functions handle line endings?
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/4 Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>
>
>   
>> Aloha, Joe:
>>
>> I'm not quite sure how your suggestion relates to the problem of endlines.
>>
>> The unicode.txt file I have is being read OK in Pages on the mac.
>> It also loads just fine in Rev, with the exception of the line breaks
>>
>> I'm not sure where the uniencode/unidecode  could be used to solve the line
>> break issu
>>     
Sometime on Kauai it rans for so many days (max count on my log 63 
days...) we live in a "mud world"

Some how my entry into unicode feels like not like a "baptism by fire"  
but a "baptism by mud"

welcome to petroglyph land... (smile)

Stephen: the engine only handles line line ending for "file:*" and not 
"binary:*"

A note on the source: This is original Tamil done in MylaiSri which maps 
all chars against 0-127; Muthu Neduraman of Marusu System in Malaysia, 
IT Tamil Master, font designer, systems engineer etc. wrote me a C++ 
program to transform the ASCII input out to a Unicode.txt..  really 
don't have any specs on what his program outputs. ( would love to take 
that thing and turn it into an external if I knew how... that's another 
story...)

but, that's what I'm loading... but since he works on OS X I, thought, 
on a hunhc sure he was piping cr's from the original ASCII out to char(13)

Joe Ault: OK we are getting some where:
I obviously made a blooper where I was replacing
char(13) with char (10) in the filename and not the data.

Of course nothing happened... fixed it:

this now works fine! 

on mouseUp
  answer file "Choose a unicode file to read in."
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  put "binfile:" & it into urlName
  set the useUnicode to true
  put url urlName into tTamilUnicodeText
  replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in tTamilUnicodeText
  set the unicodeText of fld "display" to tTamilUnicodeText
end mouseUp

OK so far so good. I'm getting the same line breaks from the original text.

Richard: thanks for the arcane script from Mark, which I only saw 
*after* trying the above... so I did not need it.
but I will keep it as a reference, thank you.

Jim F: thanks for the tip on always encoding... since I have to move 
this stuff back and forth to the web server and possible in and out of 
PostGreSQL..  I will take your advice.

So, for now it works... Read on if you want walk into the morass of 
trying actually see what you have a decimal strings:

Ken Kojima, Thanks: this now works  -- well appears to, on the surface.

on mouseUp
 set the useUnicode to true
 if the selection is empty then
   answer "No Selection" with "ok"
 end if
 put the selection into tUnicode
  repeat with i=1 to the num of chars of tUnicode step 2
     put  chartonum(char i to i+1 of tUnicode) & cr after tOutput
  end repeat
put tOutput
end mouseUp

but I get super irrational results (irrational to me at least)

Tamil lives here:

U+0B80 ? U+0BFF   (2944?3071)

if load the text *without* handling the line endings and select across 
the last letters of one line and the beginning of the next:

[note, the editor of this text typically puts two end-of-paragraph (i.e. 
1 blank line) between paragraphs, block style]

2990 - Valid Tamil Character
3021 - Valid Tamil Character
3374 - out of range: should be line break and does show as one in Pages
8205 - out of range: should be line break and does show as one in Pages, 
or in the field if I do the (13) to (10) conversion
2953 - Valid Tamil Character

And if I select the same thing a second time... different results!

2990
3021
12576
2570
2992
3007



OK now... if I select another section of text where there is a text/2 
line breaks/text/2 line breaks/text

I get super bizarre results back

3377
45069 # way out of range.
48907
44555
52491
8203

If I lengthen the selection, left and right I get completely (almost) 
different results)

Even the same characters selected in the short selection are not output 
as the characters:

3015
2985
3021
3391
39437
49419
45579
51979
38155
12555
3341
2992
3007


if I put  replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(10) in tTamilUnicodeText

back into my import script and then select across the end of the same 
line and 2 cr's and the beginning of the 4th line, I get different 
results again. And this time, so beyond my ken as to be a black box. I 
don't think I will even "go there" in trying to understand what is 
happening, wrong and why we get something like:

2985
3021
2623
39434
49419
45579
51979
38155
44555
52491
8203
2609
45066
48907

There's more bizarre events occuring (selecting text causes characters 
to switch places!)  Wish me luck in creating an online editor as a revlet!

Sivakatirswami

















From joef1 at mac.com  Sat Sep  5 00:02:10 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:02:10 -0400
Subject: Line Breaks Dropped on Importing Unicode Text
In-Reply-To: <4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
References: <4AA0A82D.8040006@hindu.org>
	<BE9E2C95-5103-4163-A65F-8B8199A4004E@mac.com>
	<4AA18E39.3090203@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1484FF8E-20E3-446F-868C-851AF9B5A214@mac.com>

Aloha (in NYC we just say howyadoin'?)

I had some trouble getting unicode text to do what I expected in Rev.
My understanding at the moment is this:

Rev handles text internally as utf16, that's the unicodetext.
No matter where you put it or display it, it's still the unicodetext.

Rev supposedly handles all conversions, which I interpret as line  
endings and byte order, and that seems to be the case as long as I  
specify what to uniencode to and unidecode from.

I'm using OS/X and working on a stack that will be a Windows standalone.
I needed utf8 to make round trips to the web server and got all kinds  
of weird results until I started encoding/decoding at every step. Then  
is worked fine.

I'm using TextWrangler and it seems to detect and save just fine.
TextEdit I think will automatically convert line endings, so probably  
Pages as well.

Joe F.

On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Aloha, Joe:
>
> I'm not quite sure how your suggestion relates to the problem of  
> endlines.
>
> The unicode.txt file I have is being read OK in Pages on the mac.
> It also loads just fine in Rev, with the exception of the line breaks
>
> I'm not sure where the uniencode/unidecode  could be used to solve  
> the line break issue.
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
> Joe F. wrote:
>> The trick is to use uniencode/unidecode for everything.
>> Three separate examples:
>>
>> ask file "Name new file:" with "NewFile.xml"
>> put "binfile:" & it into theNewFileName
>> get the unicodetext of cd fld 1
>> put unidecode(it,"utf8") into url (theNewFileName)
>> ------------------------------------------
>> set the unicodetext of cd fld 1 to uniencode(tMyUnicode,"utf8")
>> ------------------------------------------
>> put URL (theFTPRequest) into theDownLoadedText
>> put uniencode(theDownLoadedText,"utf8") into theDownLoadedText
>> put unidecode(theDownLoadedText,"ANSI") into cd fld 1 of cd id 4630
>>
>



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Sep  5 03:11:41 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:11:41 +0200
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
	<16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <9E8159BB-EAF9-445F-AFEB-DBC042201A77@numericable.com>

Hello,
When I enter on page "Test page for PlayMidi",
I read : "There was an error loading the revlet - Stack not found".
What append ?
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 5 sept. 09 ? 02:41, Kenji Kojima a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/
>
> It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html
>
> I can play it on MacOS.  I have two problems.
>
> 1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only  
> a border appears.
>
> 2) I made a temporary MIID file into specialfolderpath 
> ("temporary"). and
>  set the filename of player "playMidi" to (specialfolderpath 
> ("temporary") &"/playPmdTemp.mid")
> It works on MacOS, but not on Windows.
>
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Kenji Kojima
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Sep  5 04:23:07 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:23:07 +0200
Subject: Music Notes, New Instruments & Sound Channel Preview
In-Reply-To: <9E8159BB-EAF9-445F-AFEB-DBC042201A77@numericable.com>
References: <66BA67E9-9032-4982-9CAF-8E3A11CD3955@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909031536k7500894eo8c66ea1252e9bf75@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C476E6-6594-468D-A55F-88BB8D286C07@califex.com>
	<16C21636-DF30-47FA-92D8-7E995FE8DA00@kenjikojima.com>
	<9E8159BB-EAF9-445F-AFEB-DBC042201A77@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <3694C13E-791E-40F1-AF65-3CEEB061021E@numericable.com>

Hello,
I have loaded RevMedia 4.0 and RevWeb Player but it is the same : I  
read : "There was an error loading the revlet - Stack not found".
But when I loaded one of my RunRev application the speed was  
dramaticly slow...
I loaded the same application with RunRev 3.5 the speed was also  
dramaticly slow...
When I put RevWeb Player and RevMedia 4.0 in the trash and I loaded  
my application with RunRev 3.5 everything is back to normal...
RevMedia 4.0 is inusable for me (music application) !!
Is Revolution Studio 4.0 slower than 3.5 ?
Macintosh PPC MacOs Tiger
Thank you
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 5 sept. 09 ? 09:11, Ren? Micout a ?crit :

> Hello,
> When I enter on page "Test page for PlayMidi",
> I read : "There was an error loading the revlet - Stack not found".
> What append ?
> Bons souvenirs de Paris
> Ren?
>
> Le 5 sept. 09 ? 02:41, Kenji Kojima a ?crit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/
>>
>> It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html
>>
>> I can play it on MacOS.  I have two problems.
>>
>> 1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only  
>> a border appears.
>>
>> 2) I made a temporary MIID file into specialfolderpath 
>> ("temporary"). and
>>  set the filename of player "playMidi" to (specialfolderpath 
>> ("temporary") &"/playPmdTemp.mid")
>> It works on MacOS, but not on Windows.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  5 06:11:02 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 03:11:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Studio V4
Message-ID: <25306851.post@talk.nabble.com>


Sorry to ask what may be a silly question.  I've been unwell again for some
time and am just recovering.  Has V4 been released in the meantime, and if
so, what's the download link for it?  Thanks,  Peter
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Studio-V4-tp25306851p25306851.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 06:42:22 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:42:22 +0100
Subject: The Conference.
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>

The Conference, to my mind, was a bit like the curate's egg: good in parts.
However, I suspect that different parts were good for different people.

What did I learn:

1. All the new stuff about graphic objects: fillGradient and so forth.

   Sounds unfamiliar? Download revMedia 4 and get digging!

2. That SWITCH is nothing to be scared of: this means I have to
    go home and rewrite about 90% of my codebase for my
    Sanskrit typewriter: but the thing should be one hell of a
    lot faster.

3. That the people who 'are' Runtime Revolution are very nice,
    human people rather than weird anoraks lurking in basements.

4. That RR is well worth sticking with, and all the effort put into
    learning the language is paying off.

NOW: a quick "crit on the conf"; or, maybe, how to do the next conf.:

It would have served more people's interests if, after the initial "big
talks"
if attendees had split up into several, small special interest groups where
they could have focussed, tightly, on their specific needs.

I enjoyed myself a lot.


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Sat Sep  5 07:19:11 2009
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:19:11 +0200
Subject: Runrev on Hyves
In-Reply-To: <20090905082321.B13DA48AF8E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090905082321.B13DA48AF8E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <77B15601-AF43-4D04-83D1-A278F5193D94@de-mare.nl>

I started a hyves group a few days ago for runrev fans like me. The  
intention is to give runrev more exposure and spread the love. Until  
now, I am the only member :-(

For those who do not know Hyves: it is the largest social network site  
in the Netherlands. Approximately one third of the Dutch population is  
a member of it and the majority of the members use it weekly or daily.

You can take a look on http://runrev.hyves.nl (and are free to join).

Any tips on what kind of content I can (legally) add?

Terry


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sat Sep  5 08:21:35 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:21:35 +0000
Subject: rectangle button is called square button in property inspector
Message-ID: <00038723.4AA273EE@the-office.us>

Hi,

playing around with basic.properties - one of the new featurees of tRev editor - i found out that the rectangle button is called 'rectangle button' in the tools palette in Rev  and 'square button' in the property inspector. Is this a windows only thing and should this be reported as a minor bug in the Quality center?

Tried 3.5 and also 4DP4.

Regards,

Matthias




From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Sep  5 08:34:10 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:34:10 -0500
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <93939A32-78FD-4BB0-8B80-7B9D972F26C8@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>	<BA80AF72-2CFF-42A6-96A2-9012717DCA5E@clubtype.co.uk>	<D7020246-5A39-4747-8931-6502AECF4100@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<93939A32-78FD-4BB0-8B80-7B9D972F26C8@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AA25AC2.4040106@crcom.net>

Adrian,

I don't think the problem was that the function was defined after the 
mouseUp handler, it's that it was defined IN the mouseUp handler.  You 
cannot define a function (or command) within the "on....end" of another 
handler.

len

Adrian Williams wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Thanks for spotting that a FUNCTION needs to be stated before mouseUp.
> I knew that of course but overlooked it. Something that happens with 
> irregular use of Rev.
> Thanks too to everyone who responded to resolve my problems. In the 
> process I learned a lot.
> At least one thing I learned; I must learn more about Rev!
>
> Adrian
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 09:09, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>
>> Hi Adrian,
>> if the script in your email is exactly what you are using, then you 
>> need to move the function declaration outside of the mouseup handler. 
>> I don't think that these things can be nested.
>>
>> - - -
>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>    put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>    set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>    put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>    return theFile
>> end getPathToFile
>>
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   start using stack "My App"
>>
>>   put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>>   removeFonts myList
>>   put the result into rslt
>>   if rslt is not empty then
>>        answer information rslt
>>   end if
>>
>>   --To use:
>>   put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>   launch tFile
>>
>>   stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here 
>> in my last message, this is not the problem)
>> end mouseUp
>> - - -
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:42, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>> Mouse up calls stack script to remove installed font and return
>>> result. That already works.
>>> When adding the FUNCTION code, the FUNCTION line keeps throwing up the
>>> error.
>>> I've followed all the advice everyone has given - I'm stumped.
>>> - - -
>>> on mouseUp
>>> start using stack "My App"
>>>
>>>   put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>>>   removeFonts myList
>>>   put the result into rslt
>>>   if rslt is not empty then
>>>        answer information rslt
>>>   end if
>>>
>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>> return theFile
>>> end getPathToFile
>>>
>>> --To use:
>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>> launch tFile
>>>
>>> stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here in
>>> my last message, this is not the problem)
>>> end mouseUp
>>> - - -
>>> Does that help?
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which
>>>> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of
>>>> that object look like?
>>>>
>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>> Phil,
>>>>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and the
>>>>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>>>>> Object    OK
>>>>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of
>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>>>>> return theFile
>>>>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --To use:
>>>>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> len morgan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>
>>>> PDS Labs
>>>> Professional Software Development
>>>> http://pdslabs.net
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Phil Jimmieson  phil at liverpool.ac.uk  (UK) 0151 795 4236  (Mobile) 
>> 07976 983164
>> Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton 
>> Street
>> Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
>> I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this 
>> ointment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Sep  5 10:58:18 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:58:18 -0400
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F0B1177-AA58-4776-817D-222134C0EF4F@verizon.net>


On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 2. That SWITCH is nothing to be scared of:

What "SWITCH"?




From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep  5 11:13:44 2009
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:13:44 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard problem on a Mac Air - SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <72C3F3AA-A7F7-4CA0-A676-3B1D8ABAADCD@embarqmail.com>
References: <4A9EDE32.2030909@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A9EEA19.9040907@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3C5C808A-E6D5-4094-BF74-CFE2A9E58419@embarqmail.com>
	<D38C1B0C-658D-4CC8-B728-1936B6C6A22E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<72C3F3AA-A7F7-4CA0-A676-3B1D8ABAADCD@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <D41B4432-4251-4ED1-8E70-AF509E3E68E7@embarqmail.com>

Thanks very much to Sarah and Mark for their help. The user did what  
he should have done after the Snow Leopard upgrade seemed to have  
caused a problem with my app. He trashed the original and downloaded  
a fresh copy. He now reports that Patent Grabber is working fine!

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com

On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions. Patent Grabber was already installed  
> on the user's Mac when he upgraded to Snow Leopard. So I am not  
> sure that the permissions of my standalone would be a problem when  
> it was working fine until my user's upgrade. Or are you suggesting  
> that my user should run the command that you provided because the  
> permissions of his particular copy became corrupted?
>
> I suggested to him that he download and upzip a fresh copy now that  
> Snow Leopard is installed. I don't know how that could make a  
> difference, but computers can do weird things sometimes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce
>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Make sure that all files inside the standalone have the right  
>> permissions.
>>
>> chmod -R 755 pathToStandalone
>>
>> It is also possible that the download is corrupt or that the  
>> customer copied the standalone incompletely onto his hard disk.  
>> You also need to make sure that the standalone is universal or for  
>> Intel and not for PPC.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>>
>> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>>
>> On 3 sep 2009, at 01:22, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>>
>>> One user of my Patent Grabber application has reported that the  
>>> app simply opens and quits now that he has upgraded to Snow  
>>> Leopard. Here is his message:
>>>
>>> -----------------------
>>>
>>> Dear Sir,
>>>
>>> I upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6 then the patent grabber 5.6 version  
>>> will automatic close it when I try to open the program.
>>>
>>> I have Mac Air information of my machine as the following  
>>> (Traditional Chinese version)
>>>
>>>
>>> ????:	MacBook Air
>>>  ?????:	MacBookAir2,1
>>>  ?????:	Intel Core 2 Duo
>>>  ?????:	1.86 GHz
>>>  ?????:	1
>>>  ?????:	2
>>>  L2 ?????:	6 MB
>>>  ???:	2 GB
>>>  ?????:	1.07 GHz
>>>  Boot ROM ??:	MBA21.0075.B03
>>>  SMC ??????:	1.34f8
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> Any ideas? I had one person from the U.S. report that he had no  
>>> problems with running Patent Grabber under Snow Leopard.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bruce Pokras
>>
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 12:03:09 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:03:09 +0100
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <3F0B1177-AA58-4776-817D-222134C0EF4F@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F0B1177-AA58-4776-817D-222134C0EF4F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909050903o7709d065wd74399f43ced85bd@mail.gmail.com>

Using SWITCH statements, as in:
Switch Goofy
  case Goofy = 1
     do something-or-other
  break
  case Goofy = 2
     do something-more-foolish
  break
end switch

rather than endless if . . . then statements.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>  2. That SWITCH is nothing to be scared of:
>>
>
> What "SWITCH"?
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Sep  5 12:09:50 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:09:50 -0400
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909050903o7709d065wd74399f43ced85bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F0B1177-AA58-4776-817D-222134C0EF4F@verizon.net>
	<74ac8f550909050903o7709d065wd74399f43ced85bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27C89448-0502-45B1-9DF0-A3BE3B6958FB@verizon.net>


On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Using SWITCH statements,


Although switch statements can be useful, you don't have to use them.  
So your old code could stay as it is, and you would just use switch in  
the future if it's appropriate. You can often get away without an if  
or a switch. Like with your example:

do item Goofy of "something-or-other,something-more-foolish"






From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sat Sep  5 12:14:29 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:14:29 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4AA25AC2.4040106@crcom.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<1A284826-E1B9-4A92-9A86-7DFF33A2DE01@clubtype.co.uk>	<5977E513-0A17-4E42-B28A-90A08469E81F@liverpool.ac.uk>	<38842334-92C0-4983-9AD2-24D0CD4B099B@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9EAAB8.10402@pdslabs.net>	<BA80AF72-2CFF-42A6-96A2-9012717DCA5E@clubtype.co.uk>	<D7020246-5A39-4747-8931-6502AECF4100@liverpool.ac.uk>
	<93939A32-78FD-4BB0-8B80-7B9D972F26C8@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4AA25AC2.4040106@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C574BED4-E091-4D9B-B712-C0E369EA0127@clubtype.co.uk>

Len
Thanks - understood!
Adrian

On 5 Sep 2009, at 13:34, Len Morgan wrote:

> Adrian,
>
> I don't think the problem was that the function was defined after  
> the mouseUp handler, it's that it was defined IN the mouseUp  
> handler.  You cannot define a function (or command) within the  
> "on....end" of another handler.
>
> len
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Phil,
>>
>> Thanks for spotting that a FUNCTION needs to be stated before  
>> mouseUp.
>> I knew that of course but overlooked it. Something that happens  
>> with irregular use of Rev.
>> Thanks too to everyone who responded to resolve my problems. In the  
>> process I learned a lot.
>> At least one thing I learned; I must learn more about Rev!
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 09:09, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>> if the script in your email is exactly what you are using, then  
>>> you need to move the function declaration outside of the mouseup  
>>> handler. I don't think that these things can be nested.
>>>
>>> - - -
>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>   put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>   set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>   put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>   return theFile
>>> end getPathToFile
>>>
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>  start using stack "My App"
>>>
>>>  put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>>>  removeFonts myList
>>>  put the result into rslt
>>>  if rslt is not empty then
>>>       answer information rslt
>>>  end if
>>>
>>>  --To use:
>>>  put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>  launch tFile
>>>
>>>  stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here  
>>> in my last message, this is not the problem)
>>> end mouseUp
>>> - - -
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:42, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>>
>>>> Mouse up calls stack script to remove installed font and return
>>>> result. That already works.
>>>> When adding the FUNCTION code, the FUNCTION line keeps throwing  
>>>> up the
>>>> error.
>>>> I've followed all the advice everyone has given - I'm stumped.
>>>> - - -
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>> start using stack "My App"
>>>>
>>>>  put "MyPrettyFont.ttf" into myList
>>>>  removeFonts myList
>>>>  put the result into rslt
>>>>  if rslt is not empty then
>>>>       answer information rslt
>>>>  end if
>>>>
>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>> return theFile
>>>> end getPathToFile
>>>>
>>>> --To use:
>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>> launch tFile
>>>>
>>>> stop using stack "My App"  --(Ooops. Corrected literal 'May' here  
>>>> in
>>>> my last message, this is not the problem)
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>> - - -
>>>> Does that help?
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So... maybe we should start at the beginning. The object in which
>>>>> the error occurred is apparently named "OK". What does the code of
>>>>> that object look like?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>> Already tried just 'end' - it gets the same error!
>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:13, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>>>>> at the end of the function definition, you only put "end" and  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> name of the function - you don't include the parameter list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Len or anyone else have an answer to this,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'end FUNCTION' gives the error:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Handler: error in command
>>>>>>>> Object    OK
>>>>>>>> Line        FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>>>> Hint        FUNCTION
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of
>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>>>>>>> put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>>>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>>>>>>> put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>>>>>>> return theFile
>>>>>>>>> end FUNCTION getPathToFile
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --To use:
>>>>>>>>> put getPathFile("My App.exe") into tFile
>>>>>>>>> launch tFile
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That should do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> len morgan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>>
>>>>> PDS Labs
>>>>> Professional Software Development
>>>>> http://pdslabs.net
>>>>>
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>>> 07976 983164
>>> Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building,  
>>> Ashton Street
>>> Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
>>> I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this  
>>> ointment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep  5 12:51:41 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:51:41 -0700
Subject: The Conference. RE switch
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909050951m1745d058vfb39e01ebe5f06f5@mail.gmail.com>

I really like to use switch for any logic more than a single if-then-else.
Switch statements, due to their fall-through and default behaviors, can
handle more logic *conditions* than if-then
switch tInput
case 0
case 1
    put tInput after tOut
case 2
   put tInput after tOut
case 3
    put tInput after tOut
    break
case 4
    put tInput after tOut
case 5
    put tInput after tOut
    break
default
    put tInput after tOut
end switch


tInput - tOut

0    ==>  123
1    ==>  123
2    ==>  23
3    ==>  3
4    ==>  45
5    ==>  5
6    ==>  6
7    ==>  7
...

when one gets used to the structure of a switch statement, it really looks
like it functions, and it's quite simple. Same thing with arrays.


All programming is simple, once one can break it down as smaller ideas put
together as a machine.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/5 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>

>
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>  Using SWITCH statements,
>>
>
>
> Although switch statements can be useful, you don't have to use them. So
> your old code could stay as it is, and you would just use switch in the
> future if it's appropriate. You can often get away without an if or a
> switch. Like with your example:
>
> do item Goofy of "something-or-other,something-more-foolish"
>
>
>


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Sep  5 14:32:27 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909051132030.23708@ecs.fullerton.edu>

No BOF sessions?

Judy

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> NOW: a quick "crit on the conf"; or, maybe, how to do the next conf.:
>
> It would have served more people's interests if, after the initial "big
> talks"
> if attendees had split up into several, small special interest groups where
> they could have focussed, tightly, on their specific needs.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Sep  5 14:33:28 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <3F0B1177-AA58-4776-817D-222134C0EF4F@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F0B1177-AA58-4776-817D-222134C0EF4F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909051133090.23708@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I think he means case statements instead of if-thens

Judy

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> 2. That SWITCH is nothing to be scared of:
>
> What "SWITCH"?
>


From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Sep  5 14:39:20 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:39:20 -0400
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909051132030.23708@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909051132030.23708@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <F65162D4-08E3-48CE-B16B-C890D09E5AAD@verizon.net>


On Sep 5, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> No BOF sessions?

BOF sessions sound more like you would get at a multi-tool conference,  
where all the RunRev people would get together, and so would Director,  
or Flash users. Would you get the same situation within one tool,  
where you're just interested in say Fields, but not in Buttons?




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Sep  5 14:55:53 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:55:53 +0200
Subject: Internet site rules for on-Rev
Message-ID: <8A3D41BC-06C4-4109-A5A5-4CB8517EEA5D@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

Grateful thanks to Jim Ault and Robert Brenstein
for your detailed replies.

It is much clearer now.

-Francis

"This is not your real life ! This is just a Test
Drive. If it had been your real life, you would
have been given much better instructions ......"




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Sep  5 14:58:01 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:58:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Conference.
In-Reply-To: <F65162D4-08E3-48CE-B16B-C890D09E5AAD@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909050342v6566cf67s3dfa5e852f14bba@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909051132030.23708@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<F65162D4-08E3-48CE-B16B-C890D09E5AAD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909051157370.23708@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I've seen requests for BOF sessions at all the other RevCons I've 
attended...

Judy

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
>> No BOF sessions?
>
> BOF sessions sound more like you would get at a multi-tool conference, where 
> all the RunRev people would get together, and so would Director, or Flash 
> users. Would you get the same situation within one tool, where you're just 
> interested in say Fields, but not in Buttons?
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep  5 15:14:23 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:14:23 -0700
Subject: The Conference.
Message-ID: <4AA2B88F.3060005@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> I've seen requests for BOF sessions at all the other RevCons I've 
> attended...
> 
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>
>> BOF sessions sound more like you would get at a multi-tool conference, where 
>> all the RunRev people would get together, and so would Director, or Flash 
>> users. Would you get the same situation within one tool, where you're just 
>> interested in say Fields, but not in Buttons?

Maybe the groups would be based less on object model than on usage. :)

I can see good value to having a breakout session for educators, for 
example, with possibly another for consulting programmers, another for 
self-publishers, another for medical applications, etc.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From elist at mac.on-rev.com  Sat Sep  5 16:50:55 2009
From: elist at mac.on-rev.com (Severin Swensen)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:50:55 -0500
Subject: Cursor control within a field
Message-ID: <8887AAE5-4B8A-43C3-BF7A-33C8A77F618A@mac.on-rev.com>

I am trying to figure out how to save the location of the insertion  
point in a field so that after updating that same field I can leave  
the cursor where it was originally.

I saw something similar in the "Tale of two Revolutions" session  
presented by Robert Cailliau in his Currency conversion demo. As he  
changed the values to convert it updated and left the cursor in the  
same position.

Thanks for the help.
Severin


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  5 17:31:06 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:31:06 +0200
Subject: Cursor control within a field
In-Reply-To: <8887AAE5-4B8A-43C3-BF7A-33C8A77F618A@mac.on-rev.com>
References: <8887AAE5-4B8A-43C3-BF7A-33C8A77F618A@mac.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F725183F-4625-4671-8118-715A77C6456F@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Severin,

Here is a simple example:

on foo
   put the selectedChunk into myChunk
   put "bla" after fld "The Field"
   if myChunk  is not empty then select myChunk
end foo

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 5 sep 2009, at 22:50, Severin Swensen wrote:

> I am trying to figure out how to save the location of the insertion  
> point in a field so that after updating that same field I can leave  
> the cursor where it was originally.
>
> I saw something similar in the "Tale of two Revolutions" session  
> presented by Robert Cailliau in his Currency conversion demo. As he  
> changed the values to convert it updated and left the cursor in the  
> same position.
>
> Thanks for the help.
> Severin




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 17:58:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:58:06 +0100
Subject: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909051458s6b98b901gcdb871ee30d16fe9@mail.gmail.com>

Unless you end up here:
http://www.runrev.com/products/product-comparison/editions/

where you can still BUY revMedia for ?25 !!!!

instead of here:

http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia

where it is completely FREE !!!!

something not quite right.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep  5 21:21:54 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:21:54 -0700
Subject: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909051458s6b98b901gcdb871ee30d16fe9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909051458s6b98b901gcdb871ee30d16fe9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909051821r39c97274v2bd7830079493514@mail.gmail.com>

Free Revmedia is still in pre-release.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/5 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> Unless you end up here:
> http://www.runrev.com/products/product-comparison/editions/
>
> where you can still BUY revMedia for ?25 !!!!
>
> instead of here:
>
> http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia
>
> where it is completely FREE !!!!
>
> something not quite right.
> _______________________________________________
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From elist at mac.on-rev.com  Sat Sep  5 21:24:36 2009
From: elist at mac.on-rev.com (Severin Swensen)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:24:36 -0500
Subject: Cursor control within a field
In-Reply-To: <F725183F-4625-4671-8118-715A77C6456F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8887AAE5-4B8A-43C3-BF7A-33C8A77F618A@mac.on-rev.com>
	<F725183F-4625-4671-8118-715A77C6456F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <DF6C8A66-EC77-4DF9-9A9F-D961623E6FD8@mac.on-rev.com>

Thanks Mark:

select myChunk was what I needed.
here was my final solution for any others who may be interested

on rawKeyUp keycode
    put word 2 of the selectedChunk into cpos
    put word 2 of the selectedline into cline
    select  char 1 of line cline of field "Values"
    put word 2 of the selectedChunk into bpos
    put cpos - bpos into offs
    put line cline of field "Values" into money
    if money is a number then
	... here I do my update of the Values field ...
       select  after char offs of line cline of field "Values"
    end if
end rawKeyUp

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Dear Severin,
>
> Here is a simple example:
>
> on foo
>  put the selectedChunk into myChunk
>  put "bla" after fld "The Field"
>  if myChunk  is not empty then select myChunk
> end foo
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 5 sep 2009, at 22:50, Severin Swensen wrote:
>
>> I am trying to figure out how to save the location of the insertion  
>> point in a field so that after updating that same field I can leave  
>> the cursor where it was originally.
>>
>> I saw something similar in the "Tale of two Revolutions" session  
>> presented by Robert Cailliau in his Currency conversion demo. As he  
>> changed the values to convert it updated and left the cursor in the  
>> same position.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>> Severin
>
>
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From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Sun Sep  6 02:47:26 2009
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (mazzapaolo at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:47:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: R: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
Message-ID: <6717209.911271252219646244.JavaMail.root@wmail37>


>From  http://www.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/   I downloaded the 
Revolution Media Software with the "MAC OS Classic"  menu option selected and i 
got the RevMedia version for MAC OSX  (RevMedia350Full.dmg).  Tha's weird.
Is 
the RevMedia for Classic available somewhere else?

Best,
Paolo


----------------------------------------------

Paolo Mazza

Italy


>----
Messaggio originale----
>Da: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>Data: 05/09/2009 
23.58
>A: "How to use Revolution"<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Ogg: 
revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
>
>Unless you end up here:
>http://www.
runrev.com/products/product-comparison/editions/
>
>where you can still BUY 
revMedia for ?25 !!!!
>
>instead of here:
>
>http://revmedia.runrev.
com/revMedia
>
>where it is completely FREE !!!!
>
>something not quite right.

>_______________________________________________
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>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 03:36:14 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:36:14 +0100
Subject: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909051821r39c97274v2bd7830079493514@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909051458s6b98b901gcdb871ee30d16fe9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70909051821r39c97274v2bd7830079493514@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909060036g77b9576aldd5d53f55ca52f68@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps that should be made specific on the website.
Having worked with revMedia 4 for at least a month now, while it may
officially be tagged as an Alpha build, I can see very little wrong with it:
to the extent that I moved development of my "latest big thing" over to
it after a week.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:21 AM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> Free Revmedia is still in pre-release.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/5 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>
> > Unless you end up here:
> > http://www.runrev.com/products/product-comparison/editions/
> >
> > where you can still BUY revMedia for ?25 !!!!
> >
> > instead of here:
> >
> > http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia
> >
> > where it is completely FREE !!!!
> >
> > something not quite right.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 03:39:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:39:06 +0100
Subject: R: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
In-Reply-To: <6717209.911271252219646244.JavaMail.root@wmail37>
References: <6717209.911271252219646244.JavaMail.root@wmail37>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909060039y2e55b049g4f2fcd6dcf3af6e@mail.gmail.com>

As the FREE version of revMedia is not the finished product I don't think
thereis a Mac Classic build: nor, do I think, there is likely to be one. As
revMedia is
free you may be able to afford to buy an OS X install disk: Mac Classic is
(rather like Metacard) a moribund thing.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:47 AM, mazzapaolo at libero.it
<mazzapaolo at libero.it>wrote:

>
> >From  http://www.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/   I downloaded the
> Revolution Media Software with the "MAC OS Classic"  menu option selected
> and i
> got the RevMedia version for MAC OSX  (RevMedia350Full.dmg).  Tha's weird.
> Is
> the RevMedia for Classic available somewhere else?
>
> Best,
> Paolo
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Paolo Mazza
>
> Italy
>
>
> >----
> Messaggio originale----
> >Da: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> >Data: 05/09/2009
> 23.58
> >A: "How to use Revolution"<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> >Ogg:
> revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
> >
> >Unless you end up here:
> >http://www.
> runrev.com/products/product-comparison/editions/
> >
> >where you can still BUY
> revMedia for ?25 !!!!
> >
> >instead of here:
> >
> >http://revmedia.runrev.
> com/revMedia
> >
> >where it is completely FREE !!!!
> >
> >something not quite right.
>
> >_______________________________________________
> >use-revolution mailing list
>
> >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >Please visit this url to subscribe,
> unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> >http://lists.runrev.
> com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
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From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Sun Sep  6 03:47:38 2009
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (mazzapaolo at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:47:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: R: Re: R: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
Message-ID: <27351255.912101252223258262.JavaMail.root@wmail37>

>Mac Classic is(rather like Metacard) a moribund thing.

Actually I agree with 
you on this, but my sister has an old Mac with Classic OS...
Just wondered why 
there is still the "MAC OS Classic" option in the  menu for downloading the 
RevMedia app .
Best,
Paolo


  http://www.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/   I 
downloaded the
>> Revolution Media Software with the "MAC OS Classic"  menu 
option selected
>> and i
>> got the RevMedia version for MAC OSX  
(RevMedia350Full.dmg).  Tha's weird.
>> Is
>> the RevMedia for Classic 
available somewhere else?
>>
>> Best,
>> Paolo
>>
>>
>> 
----------------------------------------------
>>
>> Paolo Mazza
>>
>> Italy
>>

>>
>> >----
>> Messaggio originale----
>> >Da: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> 
>Data: 05/09/2009
>> 23.58
>> >A: "How to use Revolution"<use-revolution at lists.
runrev.com>
>> >Ogg:
>> revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
>> >
>> >Unless you 
end up here:
>> >http://www.
>> runrev.com/products/product-
comparison/editions/
>> >
>> >where you can still BUY
>> revMedia for ?25 !!!!

>> >
>> >instead of here:
>> >
>> >http://revmedia.runrev.
>> com/revMedia
>> >

>> >where it is completely FREE !!!!
>> >
>> >something not quite right.
>>
>> 
>_______________________________________________
>> >use-revolution mailing 
list
>>
>> >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> >Please visit this url to 
subscribe,
>> unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> >http:
//lists.runrev.
>> com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep  6 03:51:30 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:51:30 +0200
Subject: R: Re: R: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
In-Reply-To: <27351255.912101252223258262.JavaMail.root@wmail37>
References: <27351255.912101252223258262.JavaMail.root@wmail37>
Message-ID: <5214FFD0-60B1-450B-92C1-A7C28B935CE0@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Paolo,

Revolution 2.6.1 was the last version for Mac OS 9. There is no  
RevMedia for Classic. There is an engine for Mac OS 9 included with  
Revolution 3.5 and 4, which should enable you to create standalones  
for Mac OS 9, but to my best knowledge this doesn't work.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 6 sep 2009, at 09:47, mazzapaolo at libero.it wrote:

>> Mac Classic is(rather like Metacard) a moribund thing.
>
> Actually I agree with
> you on this, but my sister has an old Mac with Classic OS...
> Just wondered why
> there is still the "MAC OS Classic" option in the  menu for  
> downloading the
> RevMedia app .
> Best,
> Paolo
>
>



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sun Sep  6 04:58:51 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:58:51 +0200
Subject: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909060036g77b9576aldd5d53f55ca52f68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909051458s6b98b901gcdb871ee30d16fe9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70909051821r39c97274v2bd7830079493514@mail.gmail.com>
	<74ac8f550909060036g77b9576aldd5d53f55ca52f68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A0A4FF9-D1D7-4E29-A894-55C4ED513C10@numericable.com>

Hello Richmond,
I have loaded RevMedia 4.0 and RevWeb Player.
When I loaded one of my RunRev application the speed was dramaticly  
slow...
I loaded the same application with RunRev Studio 3.5 (with RevMedia  
4.0 installed but not loaded)
the speed was also dramaticly slow...
When I put RevWeb Player and RevMedia 4.0 in the trash and I loaded  
my application with RunRev
Studio 3.5 everything is back to normal...
RevMedia 4.0 (alpha build) is inusable for me (music application) !!
Is Revolution Studio 4.0 slower than 3.5 ?
Macintosh PPC MacOs Tiger
Thank you
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 6 sept. 09 ? 09:36, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Perhaps that should be made specific on the website.
> Having worked with revMedia 4 for at least a month now, while it may
> officially be tagged as an Alpha build, I can see very little wrong  
> with it:
> to the extent that I moved development of my "latest big thing"  
> over to
> it after a week.
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:21 AM, stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
>> Free Revmedia is still in pre-release.
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/5 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Unless you end up here:
>>> http://www.runrev.com/products/product-comparison/editions/
>>>
>>> where you can still BUY revMedia for ?25 !!!!
>>>
>>> instead of here:
>>>
>>> http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia
>>>
>>> where it is completely FREE !!!!
>>>
>>> something not quite right.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From psahores at free.fr  Sun Sep  6 07:53:46 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:53:46 +0200
Subject: On-Rev Server impressive speed improvment !
Message-ID: <3098B9DA-6B3C-4C6F-BCA5-56F95C395E0E@free.fr>

Hi All !

Seems that the last version of the on-rev server works, in average,  
about 15 times faster than the previous one :-)

Anyone to confirm ?

Kind Regards,
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  6 14:35:45 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:35:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RunRevLive09] revTalk meets Java
Message-ID: <92619.45345.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,

Finally got a chance to upload the slides and example code for my session on Working with Java Classes (a.k.a. revTalk meets Java)
You can download the zip archive here: <http://www.quartam.com/downloads/rmj.zip>
Of course, I will keep you posted on the progress of Quartam Stomp Library and Quartam JVM External.

Enjoy!

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  6 17:14:07 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:14:07 -0500
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
Message-ID: <4AA4261F.4010203@crcom.net>

I'm trying to go to a card based on the choice made in an option menu 
and it's not working right.  Here's the gist of what I'm doing:

on menuPick pChoice
    put the text of button "taskBar" into tChoices
    if pChoice is among the lines of tChoices then
        go to card pChoice
    end if
end menuPick

For some reason, this doesn't work.  Is pChoice not a line?  Since some 
of the cards have multi-word names, I can't use "word".  Am I missing 
something?

len morgan


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Sun Sep  6 17:37:50 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:37:50 +0100
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
In-Reply-To: <4AA4261F.4010203@crcom.net>
References: <4AA4261F.4010203@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <E3F6987F-A12C-4787-9127-CFC10B2A9C6B@byu.edu>


On Sep 6, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> I'm trying to go to a card based on the choice made in an option menu
> and it's not working right.  Here's the gist of what I'm doing:
>
> on menuPick pChoice
>    put the text of button "taskBar" into tChoices
>    if pChoice is among the lines of tChoices then
>        go to card pChoice
>    end if
> end menuPick
>
> For some reason, this doesn't work.  Is pChoice not a line?  Since  
> some
> of the cards have multi-word names, I can't use "word".  Am I missing
> something?

Len,

I can't see any reason why this shouldn't work. pChoice doesn't have  
to have a line break in it to be considered a line; the text just has  
to match a full line of the contents of the button.

What happens when you try the individual commands in the message box?

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  6 18:34:22 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:34:22 -0500
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
In-Reply-To: <E3F6987F-A12C-4787-9127-CFC10B2A9C6B@byu.edu>
References: <4AA4261F.4010203@crcom.net>
	<E3F6987F-A12C-4787-9127-CFC10B2A9C6B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4AA438EE.1020700@crcom.net>

If I type the lines:

put "Movement History" into myChoice
put the text of button "taskBar" into tLines
put (myChoice is among the lines of tLines)

into the message box, the result I get is "false"

len morgan


Devin Asay wrote:
>
> On Sep 6, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to go to a card based on the choice made in an option menu
>> and it's not working right.  Here's the gist of what I'm doing:
>>
>> on menuPick pChoice
>>    put the text of button "taskBar" into tChoices
>>    if pChoice is among the lines of tChoices then
>>        go to card pChoice
>>    end if
>> end menuPick
>>
>> For some reason, this doesn't work.  Is pChoice not a line?  Since some
>> of the cards have multi-word names, I can't use "word".  Am I missing
>> something?
>
> Len,
>
> I can't see any reason why this shouldn't work. pChoice doesn't have 
> to have a line break in it to be considered a line; the text just has 
> to match a full line of the contents of the button.
>
> What happens when you try the individual commands in the message box?
>
> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 19:19:01 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 00:19:01 +0100
Subject: R: Re: R: revMedia is FREE for everyone . . .
In-Reply-To: <5214FFD0-60B1-450B-92C1-A7C28B935CE0@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <27351255.912101252223258262.JavaMail.root@wmail37>
	<5214FFD0-60B1-450B-92C1-A7C28B935CE0@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909061619r1d7bb3coa500389720a77e77@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry I took so long; I have been building some bookshelves.
I have just tried a Mac Classic standalone with Revolution 4 developer
preview;
while the standalone process seems to work, including a message that the
build has been successful, all I ended up with was an empty folder.

If you really need to build a Mac Classic standalone the easiest way is to
download Metacard 2.5:

http://www.hot.com.my/metacard/

and use this to build. Be aware that you will have to save your stack in the
legacy format and that any new features introduced into RunRev after
about RR 2 will not work.

I would not recommend using Metacard 2.5 to put stacks together as it has an
extremely primitive interface and it will restrict you to 10 lines of code
per
object.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Paolo,
>
> Revolution 2.6.1 was the last version for Mac OS 9. There is no RevMedia
> for Classic. There is an engine for Mac OS 9 included with Revolution 3.5
> and 4, which should enable you to create standalones for Mac OS 9, but to my
> best knowledge this doesn't work.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 6 sep 2009, at 09:47, mazzapaolo at libero.it wrote:
>
>  Mac Classic is(rather like Metacard) a moribund thing.
>>>
>>
>> Actually I agree with
>> you on this, but my sister has an old Mac with Classic OS...
>> Just wondered why
>> there is still the "MAC OS Classic" option in the  menu for downloading
>> the
>> RevMedia app .
>> Best,
>> Paolo
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  6 21:07:37 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:07:37 +0100
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
In-Reply-To: <4AA438EE.1020700@crcom.net>
References: <4AA4261F.4010203@crcom.net>	<E3F6987F-A12C-4787-9127-CFC10B2A9C6B@byu.edu>
	<4AA438EE.1020700@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4AA45CD9.3000704@hyperactivesw.com>

Len Morgan wrote:
> If I type the lines:
> 
> put "Movement History" into myChoice
> put the text of button "taskBar" into tLines
> put (myChoice is among the lines of tLines)
> 
> into the message box, the result I get is "false"

When you use "is among", the entire line must match to get a hit. If the 
line you are trying to match has any extra characters (maybe "Movement 
History for Dummies") then the result is false. The two strings must be 
identical.

If you are trying to match only the beginnings of lines, try something 
like this:

  if offset(cr & myChoice, cr & tLines) > 0 then...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep  6 22:36:24 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:36:24 -1000
Subject: 6 Year Old Stack Runs Fine as a Revlet
Message-ID: <4AA471A8.3030907@hindu.org>

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/dws-youth/

Amazing... built in late 2003 I would be embarrassed to
let anyone see the mess of code that runs this thing...
The beauty of RunRev: any amateur with a little concept
 can still do something quit amazing.

.. I just built a revlet and put it up. it works...

I dare anyone to do this in Flash in the same time
it took me to build the original

(about 18 man hours or so, first draft,
4-5 hours tweaking later over time.)

Caveats: 

1) Known issue:

When you click "Begin" the substack opens behind the browser.

So go back and bring it forward. Enjoy the artwork

2) Some sub-stacks have no close button, but only a "quit" ... this 
promptly terminates RevWebPlayer, but leaves all the stack "posters" as 
artifacts up all over the screen... Not a big problem... just switch to 
the browser and close the web page.

Time to dust off the old edu tools and add some sound and interactive 
things.

Dreams I had back in 1999-2003 can now be realized...long live 
runrev-revtalk.

Sivakatirswami

p.s. ideas on what might be done to enhance this would be more than 
welcome. I don't have the mental re-estate right now to build out a 
broader functional specification, but it begs for more...please pile on!









From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Sep  7 01:31:48 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:31:48 -0500
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
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I wish it was that simple but if that DOES turn out to be the problem, 
there's something not quite right with Rev itself.  From an earlier 
post, I am comparing the pChoice that is passed by the menuPick handler 
with "the text of button "taskBar"" which is the button that sent me the 
pChoice in the first place so they should both be getting their data 
from the same object and should therefore be the same.

That is of course, unless the menuPick parameter is not a "true" line 
but I would think I'd get a "chunk types don't match" message or 
something like that.

This seems like a very simple thing but it's giving me fits!

len morgan

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Len Morgan wrote:
>> If I type the lines:
>>
>> put "Movement History" into myChoice
>> put the text of button "taskBar" into tLines
>> put (myChoice is among the lines of tLines)
>>
>> into the message box, the result I get is "false"
>
> When you use "is among", the entire line must match to get a hit. If 
> the line you are trying to match has any extra characters (maybe 
> "Movement History for Dummies") then the result is false. The two 
> strings must be identical.
>
> If you are trying to match only the beginnings of lines, try something 
> like this:
>
>  if offset(cr & myChoice, cr & tLines) > 0 then...
>


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 01:34:11 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:34:11 +1000
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
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On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Len Morgan<len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> I wish it was that simple but if that DOES turn out to be the problem,
> there's something not quite right with Rev itself. ?From an earlier post, I
> am comparing the pChoice that is passed by the menuPick handler with "the
> text of button "taskBar"" which is the button that sent me the pChoice in
> the first place so they should both be getting their data from the same
> object and should therefore be the same.


There seems to be a problem somewhere here, but why do you need the
comparison of the button you are comparing to is the one generating
the menuPick? It's parameter can only be one of the lines so there
seems no point in doing a check afterwards.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  7 02:24:42 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 23:24:42 -0700
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
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I would suggest you do some testing to find the real cause(s) of the  
situation.
There is a disconnect somewhere.
-- try this handler in a new stack with a single new option menu  
button named "taskBar"

on menuPick theItem -- in a pulldown menu
    get the text of button "taskBar"
    --the dashes will indicate extra spaces
    get it & cr & "--" & the short name of button "taskBar" & "--"
    get it & cr & "--" & the label of button "taskBar" & "--"
    get it & cr & "--" & theItem & "--"
    put theItem is among the lines of IT into success

    put it & cr & cr & success into msg
end menuPick

This success shows true.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Sep 6, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> I wish it was that simple but if that DOES turn out to be the  
> problem, there's something not quite right with Rev itself.  From an  
> earlier post, I am comparing the pChoice that is passed by the  
> menuPick handler with "the text of button "taskBar"" which is the  
> button that sent me the pChoice in the first place so they should  
> both be getting their data from the same object and should therefore  
> be the same.
>
> That is of course, unless the menuPick parameter is not a "true"  
> line but I would think I'd get a "chunk types don't match" message  
> or something like that.
>
> This seems like a very simple thing but it's giving me fits!
>
> len morgan
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Len Morgan wrote:
>>> If I type the lines:
>>>
>>> put "Movement History" into myChoice
>>> put the text of button "taskBar" into tLines
>>> put (myChoice is among the lines of tLines)
>>>
>>> into the message box, the result I get is "false"
>>
>> When you use "is among", the entire line must match to get a hit.  
>> If the line you are trying to match has any extra characters (maybe  
>> "Movement History for Dummies") then the result is false. The two  
>> strings must be identical.
>>
>> If you are trying to match only the beginnings of lines, try  
>> something like this:
>>
>> if offset(cr & myChoice, cr & tLines) > 0 then...
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 09:54:07 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:54:07 +0100
Subject: 6 Year Old Stack Runs Fine as a Revlet
In-Reply-To: <4AA471A8.3030907@hindu.org>
References: <4AA471A8.3030907@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909070654k3ff6573cxe590b53d75807867@mail.gmail.com>

I understand that in the next build of the revlet-webby-thingy-plugin thething
about the layering being wrong with substacks will be sorted out.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/dws-youth/
>
> Amazing... built in late 2003 I would be embarrassed to
> let anyone see the mess of code that runs this thing...
> The beauty of RunRev: any amateur with a little concept
> can still do something quit amazing.
>
> .. I just built a revlet and put it up. it works...
>
> I dare anyone to do this in Flash in the same time
> it took me to build the original
>
> (about 18 man hours or so, first draft,
> 4-5 hours tweaking later over time.)
>
> Caveats:
> 1) Known issue:
>
> When you click "Begin" the substack opens behind the browser.
>
> So go back and bring it forward. Enjoy the artwork
>
> 2) Some sub-stacks have no close button, but only a "quit" ... this
> promptly terminates RevWebPlayer, but leaves all the stack "posters" as
> artifacts up all over the screen... Not a big problem... just switch to the
> browser and close the web page.
>
> Time to dust off the old edu tools and add some sound and interactive
> things.
>
> Dreams I had back in 1999-2003 can now be realized...long live
> runrev-revtalk.
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
> p.s. ideas on what might be done to enhance this would be more than
> welcome. I don't have the mental re-estate right now to build out a broader
> functional specification, but it begs for more...please pile on!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Sep  7 11:09:01 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:09:01 -0500
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
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Jim,

This works on my machine but as Sarah pointed out to me, it's actually 
pointless since they should NEVER be different (i.e., it should never 
pick something that is not on the list of options so why check?  What I 
really wanted to do was see if a CARD with that name existed (something 
like "if pChoice is among the cards of this stack..." which doesn't work 
because apparently, "the cards of this stack" is not a valid command.

len

Jim Ault wrote:
>
> I would suggest you do some testing to find the real cause(s) of the 
> situation.
> There is a disconnect somewhere.
> -- try this handler in a new stack with a single new option menu 
> button named "taskBar"
>
> on menuPick theItem -- in a pulldown menu
>    get the text of button "taskBar"
>    --the dashes will indicate extra spaces
>    get it & cr & "--" & the short name of button "taskBar" & "--"
>    get it & cr & "--" & the label of button "taskBar" & "--"
>    get it & cr & "--" & theItem & "--"
>    put theItem is among the lines of IT into success
>
>    put it & cr & cr & success into msg
> end menuPick
>
> This success shows true.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On Sep 6, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> I wish it was that simple but if that DOES turn out to be the 
>> problem, there's something not quite right with Rev itself.  From an 
>> earlier post, I am comparing the pChoice that is passed by the 
>> menuPick handler with "the text of button "taskBar"" which is the 
>> button that sent me the pChoice in the first place so they should 
>> both be getting their data from the same object and should therefore 
>> be the same.
>>
>> That is of course, unless the menuPick parameter is not a "true" line 
>> but I would think I'd get a "chunk types don't match" message or 
>> something like that.
>>
>> This seems like a very simple thing but it's giving me fits!
>>
>> len morgan
>>
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Len Morgan wrote:
>>>> If I type the lines:
>>>>
>>>> put "Movement History" into myChoice
>>>> put the text of button "taskBar" into tLines
>>>> put (myChoice is among the lines of tLines)
>>>>
>>>> into the message box, the result I get is "false"
>>>
>>> When you use "is among", the entire line must match to get a hit. If 
>>> the line you are trying to match has any extra characters (maybe 
>>> "Movement History for Dummies") then the result is false. The two 
>>> strings must be identical.
>>>
>>> If you are trying to match only the beginnings of lines, try 
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>> if offset(cr & myChoice, cr & tLines) > 0 then...
>>>
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> Jim Ault
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>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 11:13:15 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:13:15 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>

I have just been reading this:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/01/inside_mac_os_x_snow_leopard_quicktime_x.html

this, particularly:

"the new QuickTime X doesn't do everything that the previous QuickTime 7.x
does, such as providing complex transcoding options, component plugins for
installing alternative codecs, or the ability to hint tracks for RTSP
streaming via QuickTime Streaming Server. That's why Apple includes an
updated version of the previous QuickTime 7.x player as an optional install
in Snow Leopard to handle all of those features. "

which would seem to suggest that if one authors for Mac OS 10.6 one cannot
really rely on Quicktime as we
on Mac 10.4 and 10.5 understand it. This may impinge on how Revolution
leverages Quicktime for its
multimedia capabilities.


From th.douez at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 11:17:07 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:17:07 +0200
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
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Le 7 sept. 09 ? 17:09, Len Morgan a ?crit :

> Jim,
>
> ......." which doesn't work because apparently, "the cards of this  
> stack" is not a valid command.

Hi,

See : CardNames and/or CardIDs in the Dictionary
Should do what you want....

HTH
THierry



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Sep  7 11:28:40 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:28:40 -1000
Subject: Rev Dbase OBDC with 4thDimension
Message-ID: <4AA526A8.4050002@hindu.org>

Is anyone using Rev with 4D?  I've just come into a need to be able to 
create my own GUI to access the dBase, the tables and fields are all 
good, but the layout is not and the team that does this work is way to 
busy to take any input so  I need to cook up my own if I can.

I needs some guidance on the basic connection framework.

thanks
skts



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 11:29:57 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:29:57 -0700
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop stacks
In-Reply-To: <20090905170004.BC3AE48AA47@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090905170004.BC3AE48AA47@mail.runrev.com>
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I enjoyed  Ben Beaumont's presentation of planetary motion at the  
conference. I couldn't tell from the streaming video how smoothly the  
planets moved around the Sun. It was very bumpy on my screen, but most  
of that was surely due to the nature of streaming video. To see this  
for myself, I built a stack (see below) to compare the moving planets  
on the desktop with the webLet.  We know that the speeds will change,  
but by how much?

(By the way,  I thought it was terrific. I was really impressed by how  
bright and articulate the presenters were. Lots of really good  
information.)

In order to get some quantitative data I made a stack to simulate a  
ball (planet)  moving along a set of points on a circle--see stack and  
web site below.

In dealing with graphics (or images) moving along a set of points on a  
line there are three ways to cycle through the points:

(1)  Use a "Send message in x millisec" to cycle recursively through  
the points using x to control speed. (Asynchronous--i.e. allows for  
concurrent message sending)
(2) Use a simple repeat loop, using a "Wait x millisec" between repeat  
to control speed (Not asynchronous)
(3) Or use the Rev Move command, using the DragSpeed propterty to  
control speed. (Asynchronous)

And there are generally two methods of moving an object from one point  
to the next:

(A) Using the set location command
(B) Using the Move command.

In all of these options, the number of points on the graphic line is a  
potential variable and will affect the speed and the smoothness of the  
motion. It is the smoothness of the motion that to me is the critical  
factor, not too difficult to achieve on the desktop but much more  
difficult on the Web. I failed on the Web task. I don't know if Rev is  
still working on this. It is not a high priority issue at this time.

Here is what I found from playing with the parameters (1, 2, 3, A, B  
above) using the "OnWebGraphicTImer" stack below:

(1) Speed: The web is much faster than the desktop, as much as five  
and a half times faster if one uses "Set Loc" to cycle through the  
points. If one uses the Move command to move through the points THERE  
IS NO CHANGE in speed. I presume that Rev redefined Move to have this  
effect.

(2) Smooth motion: On the desktop, Set Loc and Send Message In TIme is  
the best way to go. The synchronous repeat loop is bumpy, as it the  
Move command. On the Web I couldn't find any combination of parameters  
and modes and number of points on the line to achieve smooth motion.

You can also see this bumpy motion on Rev's own Web site: http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia/ 
    Notice how the Rev icon bumps along the set of line points.

There is another problem intrinsic to the Move command: The speed  
along the points is uniform regardless of the distance between points.  
The speed along the entire path is governed by the MoveSpeed property.  
Because of this it cannot be used to deal with planetary motion (or  
simple projectile motion) since the planet should speed up as it nears  
the Sun at the focal point of the ellipse and slow down as it move  
away from the focal point. And of course a bouncing ball does not move  
with uniform speed.

Someone at the conference asked about this speed issue (slow on the  
desktop--much faster on the web) but I couldn't hear the answer, only  
that it sounded like it was Kevin who responded. I suspect it must be  
a matter of timing of the screen refresh rate. But I have no real  
understanding of what goes on behind the scenes. Can anyone fill me in  
on what Kevin said? And it still under consideration?  It is surely  
not a high priority at this early stage.

On the Mac there has been a longstanding problem in using repeat loops  
to control the movement of screen objects. It is necessary to insert a  
forced screen refresh every time through the loop on the desktop. That  
problem goes away on the Web. A screen refresh is no longer needed.

The stack I wrote is very busy, lots of factors to vary in order to  
compare all the possibilities. If you have the courage you  can  
compare these things for yourself  on the desktop using the stack:

    go url "http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevGraphicTimer.rev"

And on the Web, go to

     http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevTimer/test.html

The stack is a little busy. Jim Hurley

(P.S. On the third card of the stack above I added is a simulation of  
planetary motion. The speed is fine on the desktop and the motion is  
very smooth,  but it is WAY too speedy on the Web. I didn't include  
any accommodation for the speed change on the Web. A good example of  
the need to do so.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Sep  7 11:39:58 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:39:58 +0100
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop stacks
In-Reply-To: <8B7D201E-311E-4767-A77D-30CBF5BFC7A5@sbcglobal.net>
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>
>
> Someone at the conference asked about this speed issue (slow on the  
> desktop--much faster on the web) but I couldn't hear the answer,  
> only that it sounded like it was Kevin who responded. I suspect it  
> must be a matter of timing of the screen refresh rate. But I have no  
> real understanding of what goes on behind the scenes. Can anyone  
> fill me in on what Kevin said?

 From what I can remember, he said that Rev apps on OS X use three  
layers of buffering to draw to the screen, but due to the way the plug- 
in interacts with the browser only two layers of buffering are required.

Ian 


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 12:01:47 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:01:47 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>

I've been exploring QT a lot in the past few months for a project I
have in mind.  And the changes from QT7 to QTX do give me cause for
concern.  Especially since so much of the information on QT on
developer.apple.com has been marked as 'legacy'.

Since Apple has spent so long building on top of QT, it probably was
in need of a re-write (which appears to be what they've done).  The
question is what is left of the old QT, and what past functionality
has been lost.  Following the link on developer.apple.com for "What's
New in Quicktime" brings one to this page:
http://developer.apple.com/quicktime/whatsnew.htm , where there is
absolutely zero information on QTX (in fact, there's nothing there on
QT7.3 to QT7.6) .  That gives me the impression of a technology that
Apple does not see as relevant to developers.

It seems that there are many businesses that were built around adding
functionality to QT that have gone to the wall.  And many books on QT
can be picked up on amazon for a couple of dollars (I bought a handful
myself in the last few months).

I've no doubt that QT is still an important part of Apple's delivery
mechanism for iTunes.  But maybe they've ceded the area of multimedia
delivery to Flash.  It's a pity, as working with QT seems a lot easier
than working with Flash.

I don't think that QT can be particularly important for RunRev anyway,
since there's been a long-standing bug with stacks that have QT
players on them being able to have a title
(http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235).

Bernard

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Richmond
Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have just been reading this:
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/01/inside_mac_os_x_snow_leopard_quicktime_x.html
>
> this, particularly:
>
> "the new QuickTime X doesn't do everything that the previous QuickTime 7.x
> does, such as providing complex transcoding options, component plugins for
> installing alternative codecs, or the ability to hint tracks for RTSP
> streaming via QuickTime Streaming Server. That's why Apple includes an
> updated version of the previous QuickTime 7.x player as an optional install
> in Snow Leopard to handle all of those features. "
>
> which would seem to suggest that if one authors for Mac OS 10.6 one cannot
> really rely on Quicktime as we
> on Mac 10.4 and 10.5 understand it. This may impinge on how Revolution
> leverages Quicktime for its
> multimedia capabilities.
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Sep  7 12:03:57 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:03:57 -0700
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5205D6DC40C4DB69D53599087AF48EF@GATEWAY>

> which would seem to suggest that if one authors for Mac OS 
> 10.6 one cannot really rely on Quicktime as we on Mac 10.4 
> and 10.5 understand it. This may impinge on how Revolution 
> leverages Quicktime for its multimedia capabilities.

I found this to be interesting:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6

What disturbs me is that Apple hasn't been forthcoming about QuicktimeVR.
Ive read some reports that some things work with Quicktime X player while
others not. There are a number of vertical markets (and a lot of Mac games)
that utilize QTVR.

Some of the new playback features of the player - to me - are non issues.
Apple wants to position its products as the center of your digital
lifestyle, so no stutter full screen playback should be a consistently high
quality on every Apple platform, without dinking you $30 for Pro.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep  7 12:18:37 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net>

The new QuickTime Player is fairly neat, and will do most of the  
things that most people will need to do. For us who need to do more  
complex editing, or adding of multiple tracks and so on, we can  
install the QuickTime Player 7.

As for what Rev can play back, it's probably best to just try it, on  
both a 10.6 machine that has had the optional QT7 install, and one  
that hasn't. I have it installed, so if you have any QuickTIme files  
you want me to try in Rev, let me know.

The only things that I know of that QTX has trouble playing is .MID  
and QTVR. In RevMedia I can play an old QTVR panorama, a cubic QTVR,  
and an MOV with a MID track in it (Rev hates just MID on its own, but  
is fine with a MOV that has a video track and a MID track). This all  
suggests that Rev is using QT7 features, so I'm not sure how a machine  
that didn't have the optional install would get on.


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 13:17:00 2009
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:17:00 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <325413300909071017j1295fd93o8b8765e7ac44d36d@mail.gmail.com>

In would caution that you are also dealing with a version 1.0 or a very
majory rewrite. It will grow and accumulate fixes, new functionalities and
weirdnesses all its own.


Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
www.dxbase.com
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
www.sdrsystems.com
(540) 242 0911

Amateur Radio: K3NC
Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/
DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com
Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/

DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23





On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> The new QuickTime Player is fairly neat, and will do most of the things
> that most people will need to do. For us who need to do more complex
> editing, or adding of multiple tracks and so on, we can install the
> QuickTime Player 7.
>
> As for what Rev can play back, it's probably best to just try it, on both a
> 10.6 machine that has had the optional QT7 install, and one that hasn't. I
> have it installed, so if you have any QuickTIme files you want me to try in
> Rev, let me know.
>
> The only things that I know of that QTX has trouble playing is .MID and
> QTVR. In RevMedia I can play an old QTVR panorama, a cubic QTVR, and an MOV
> with a MID track in it (Rev hates just MID on its own, but is fine with a
> MOV that has a video track and a MID track). This all suggests that Rev is
> using QT7 features, so I'm not sure how a machine that didn't have the
> optional install would get on.
>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Sep  7 13:29:02 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:29:02 -0700
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <9B6AB54E44FE4472B70A355E3B16378B@GATEWAY>

Hi Colin,

> The only things that I know of that QTX has trouble playing 
> is .MID and QTVR. In RevMedia I can play an old QTVR 
> panorama, a cubic QTVR, and an MOV with a MID track in it 
> (Rev hates just MID on its own, but is fine with a MOV that 
> has a video track and a MID track). This all suggests that 
> Rev is using QT7 features, so I'm not sure how a machine that 
> didn't have the optional install would get on.

Can you confirm if the QTVRs are working with Quicktime 7 not installed, or
if it requires Quicktime 7? Also, did you try anything with hotspots?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep  7 13:35:09 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:35:09 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <9B6AB54E44FE4472B70A355E3B16378B@GATEWAY>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net>
	<9B6AB54E44FE4472B70A355E3B16378B@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <5FC81D0C-DCEF-4DE5-9E08-2C972FEFEF2A@verizon.net>


On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Can you confirm if the QTVRs are working with Quicktime 7 not  
> installed, or
> if it requires Quicktime 7? Also, did you try anything with hotspots?

Not easily, and no to hotspots. Is there a movie online I can try?




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Sep  7 13:43:39 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:43:39 -0700
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <5FC81D0C-DCEF-4DE5-9E08-2C972FEFEF2A@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com><41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net><9B6AB54E44FE4472B70A355E3B16378B@GATEWAY>
	<5FC81D0C-DCEF-4DE5-9E08-2C972FEFEF2A@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5716E28D709F4F9980A8BFFEE688E090@GATEWAY>

Hi Colin,

> > Can you confirm if the QTVRs are working with Quicktime 7 not 
> > installed, or if it requires Quicktime 7? Also, did you try 
> anything 
> > with hotspots?
> 
> Not easily, and no to hotspots. Is there a movie online I can try?

The VR Worx is a good example site for the various types - not a lot there,
but some of each:

http://www.vrtoolbox.com/gallery/scene_gallery/scene_gallery.html

The roman collesium has a couple of hotspots on it. There are also some
object movies there too.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep  7 13:58:10 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:58:10 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <5716E28D709F4F9980A8BFFEE688E090@GATEWAY>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com><41B003A2-C4A0-49B0-A3E2-9491B781AC0B@verizon.net><9B6AB54E44FE4472B70A355E3B16378B@GATEWAY>
	<5FC81D0C-DCEF-4DE5-9E08-2C972FEFEF2A@verizon.net>
	<5716E28D709F4F9980A8BFFEE688E090@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4F6BB94B-F4E5-44E3-9DAC-7D99B3BACFD5@verizon.net>


On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>
> http://www.vrtoolbox.com/gallery/scene_gallery/scene_gallery.html

I tried the scene one, and an object one, and they both worked fine.




From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Sep  7 14:29:39 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:29:39 +0200
Subject: Rev Dbase OBDC with 4thDimension
In-Reply-To: <20090907170005.D0A0B48AA83@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090907170005.D0A0B48AA83@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4B2250B8-AD55-43D1-81EC-41B510821431@derbrill.de>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

I am currently working on a project, where 4d and Rev share the same  
database. The database in this case is mySQL though, so the connection  
is pretty straight forward. As 4d, (and Rev) can work with a multitude  
of databases, it would be best to ask the fellows, which db is working  
under the hood.

All the best,

Malte


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep  7 15:45:55 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:45:55 -0700
Subject: Rev Dbase OBDC with 4thDimension
In-Reply-To: <4B2250B8-AD55-43D1-81EC-41B510821431@derbrill.de>
References: <20090907170005.D0A0B48AA83@mail.runrev.com>
	<4B2250B8-AD55-43D1-81EC-41B510821431@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909071245s7a5105beh18af835a3b657eb4@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the misinformation. It's been a looooong time since I worked with
4d (93?)
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/7 Malte Pfaff-Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>

> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
> I am currently working on a project, where 4d and Rev share the same
> database. The database in this case is mySQL though, so the connection is
> pretty straight forward. As 4d, (and Rev) can work with a multitude of
> databases, it would be best to ask the fellows, which db is working under
> the hood.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 17:14:57 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:14:57 +1000
Subject: What makes a line a line in a chunk expression?
In-Reply-To: <4AA5220D.4030905@crcom.net>
References: <4AA4261F.4010203@crcom.net>
	<E3F6987F-A12C-4787-9127-CFC10B2A9C6B@byu.edu>
	<4AA438EE.1020700@crcom.net> <4AA45CD9.3000704@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4AA49AC4.5070607@crcom.net>
	<0547D6CD-D928-439A-BDD8-E2F9C9270000@yahoo.com>
	<4AA5220D.4030905@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909071414p29d2a23dvb86d626890d0a3a9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Len Morgan<len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> This works on my machine but as Sarah pointed out to me, it's actually
> pointless since they should NEVER be different (i.e., it should never pick
> something that is not on the list of options so why check? ?What I really
> wanted to do was see if a CARD with that name existed (something like "if
> pChoice is among the cards of this stack..." which doesn't work because
> apparently, "the cards of this stack" is not a valid command.



 I use:
   if there is a card pChoice then

Cheers,
Sarah


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Sep  7 18:51:30 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:51:30 -0500
Subject: 4.0 DP4 Dictionary only showing Mac Entries
Message-ID: <4AA58E72.8060400@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Is there any way to get the built-in dictionary on the 4.0 DP4 release
to show more than just Mac OS, Mac OS X and Linux entries.  I'm running
the Developer Preview 4 on Vista and Snow Leopard and both platforms are
only showing Mac entries in the dictionary.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 20:54:16 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:54:16 +1000
Subject: 4.0 DP4 Dictionary only showing Mac Entries
In-Reply-To: <4AA58E72.8060400@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4AA58E72.8060400@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909071754j40fa118va5e3890a944f85cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Derek
Bump<userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:
> Is there any way to get the built-in dictionary on the 4.0 DP4 release
> to show more than just Mac OS, Mac OS X and Linux entries. ?I'm running
> the Developer Preview 4 on Vista and Snow Leopard and both platforms are
> only showing Mac entries in the dictionary.


While there is something strange going on, this is not quite what I see.
Sort the dictionary entries by platform and you will see a bunch of
entries with no specified platform.
Then there are entries labelled "Linux", "Mac OS X" & "Windows" which
seem to be for entries that are unique to a single platform.
Everything else seems to be labelled "MacOS" seen though they are
terms used in every platform e.g. "me".

On a side note, I think using "MacOS" as a platform descriptor is
confusing as people assume it applies to all Mac systems where in fact
it means Mac Classic systems i.e. OS 9 or earlier. I think this needs
to be changed in the docs to clarify this point.

Cheers,
Sarah


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Sep  7 22:59:09 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:59:09 -1000
Subject: Rev Dbase OBDC with 4thDimension
In-Reply-To: <4B2250B8-AD55-43D1-81EC-41B510821431@derbrill.de>
References: <20090907170005.D0A0B48AA83@mail.runrev.com>
	<4B2250B8-AD55-43D1-81EC-41B510821431@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <4AA5C87D.6040300@hindu.org>

Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:
> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
> I am currently working on a project, where 4d and Rev share the same 
> database. The database in this case is mySQL though, so the connection 
> is pretty straight forward. As 4d, (and Rev) can work with a multitude 
> of databases, it would be best to ask the fellows, which db is working 
> under the hood.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte

We are using the latest 4D V 11 which was completely written. the Data 
storage format is SQL compliant, It was a major upgrade (headache) for 
the team to convert, but it runs really well.




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep  8 03:19:25 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:19:25 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

for your interest: Trevors wonderful Enhanced QuickTime external
works fine on OS X 10.6, so does my freeware "The Exporter", which
was made with Rev 3.5 and this external :-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Sep  8 03:23:51 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:23:51 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> for your interest: Trevors wonderful Enhanced QuickTime external
> works fine on OS X 10.6, so does my freeware "The Exporter", which
> was made with Rev 3.5 and this external :-)

When you upgraded to 10.6 did you have to elect to re-install QT 7? If  
so, was it obvious where or how to do so?

Did you need to re-register QT 7 to make it QT Pro (assuming you had  
QT Pro)?

sims


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep  8 03:28:32 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:28:32 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <A07F52C4-B15B-4D42-AC20-A597AB080090@major.on-rev.com>

Hi sims,

>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> for your interest: Trevors wonderful Enhanced QuickTime external
>> works fine on OS X 10.6, so does my freeware "The Exporter", which
>> was made with Rev 3.5 and this external :-)
>
> When you upgraded to 10.6 did you have to elect to re-install QT 7?  
> If so, was it obvious where or how to do so?
> Did you need to re-register QT 7 to make it QT Pro (assuming you had  
> QT Pro)?

Actually I did not yet update to 10.6, but could check test this on  
another machine ;-)
I hope to be able to update in the next weeks...

> sims

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 04:35:15 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:35:15 +1000
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>

> When you upgraded to 10.6 did you have to elect to re-install QT 7? If so,
> was it obvious where or how to do so?

Yes, you have to choose it, it is not installed by default.
You have to "Customize" the install to do it.

>
> Did you need to re-register QT 7 to make it QT Pro (assuming you had QT
> Pro)?

The QT 7 player app is now in the Utilities folder, while the
Applications folder contains the new QT Player.
I started up QT 7 and it appears to have all the menu items enabled,
just as when I originally registered the Prop version.

HTH,
Sarah


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  8 08:17:23 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:17:23 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Function in One File Called by Another
Message-ID: <A4D3AB82-6873-4EAF-BB09-5F13AC901F32@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

Wondering if anyone has an example of one iRev file calling a function  
in another iRev file.  The idea is to build up a little library of  
portable functions.

Regards,

Gregory


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  8 08:52:38 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:52:38 -0700
Subject: On-Rev Function in One File Called by Another
In-Reply-To: <A4D3AB82-6873-4EAF-BB09-5F13AC901F32@videotron.ca>
References: <A4D3AB82-6873-4EAF-BB09-5F13AC901F32@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <7E504829-A7D2-40A1-AD5B-F207C6CCF4CC@yahoo.com>

On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Wondering if anyone has an example of one iRev file calling a  
> function in another iRev file.  The idea is to build up a little  
> library of portable functions.

Does this help you?
Use the message path just like on your local machine

start using stack "libStackGLtricks.rev"

Now they are in the message path
warning: handler names should be unique because the message path means  
only the first one hit will be triggered.

start using stack "libraryStacks/libStackGLtricks.rev"
start using stack "libraryStacks/libStackGLftp.rev"
start using stack "libraryStacks/libStackGLfiles.rev"


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep  8 09:42:40 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:42:40 +0200
Subject: [ANN]BvG Docu 4.0 capable
Message-ID: <7DAB3027-A66D-49C7-B185-656A6F75E793@mac.com>

Hi interested person

BvG docu is a plugin that you can use instead of the build in  
documentation. It will extract the data from the original docu, and  
save it in it's own format. It's been around for 2 years now, and many  
features in it have been implemented or even surpassed by the recent  
gui changes of the IDE. However, it is still noticeably faster, and  
allows you to set the text style, font and size of every sub-part of  
the documentation, as well as the order of them.

If you want to use bvg docu in 4.0, you'll need this updated version.  
RunRev changed the way one of the files in the documentation works for  
4.0, so i had to make some changes.

If you do NOT use BvG docu with version 4.0 of Rev, then there is no  
need for you to download this bugfix update. Unless you just want to  
know what this "BvG docu" thing actually does.

Get more information at <http://bjoernke.com/?target=bvgdocu> or test  
BvG docu by using the following line in your messagebox:

go stack "http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/bvg_docu1.4.rev"


BvG docu is also available via both the old and new version of  
revOnline.

cheers
Bj?rnke


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  8 09:55:27 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: How Do I Exit an iRev Script
Message-ID: <19AF82EC-5E9E-4696-8487-A2F686AE7BA5@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

What is the iRev equivalent of exit mouseUp?

	Gregory


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep  8 10:14:45 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:14:45 -0700
Subject: How Do I Exit an iRev Script
In-Reply-To: <19AF82EC-5E9E-4696-8487-A2F686AE7BA5@videotron.ca>
References: <19AF82EC-5E9E-4696-8487-A2F686AE7BA5@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909080714r78a27aa4m6295ea568a61785b@mail.gmail.com>

exit to top
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Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/8 Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>

> Hello everyone,
>
> What is the iRev equivalent of exit mouseUp?
>
>        Gregory
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep  8 10:49:32 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:49:32 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> When you upgraded to 10.6 did you have to elect to re-install QT 7?  
>> If so,
>> was it obvious where or how to do so?
>
> Yes, you have to choose it, it is not installed by default.
> You have to "Customize" the install to do it.

You only have to choose to install QT7 if you don't have Pro installed  
on your current OS X install. I just upgraded two machines to Snow  
Leopard last night. When running the 10.6 installer on the laptop with  
QT 7 Pro installed QT 7 was automatically checked for install. The  
machine without QT7 did not automatically check QT 7 for install.

On both machines QTVR files worked after the upgrade (though a couple  
of VRs on Apple's site failed to load properly on both machines).  
Since the optional QT 7 install is only 10 MB it leads me to believe  
that the checkbox only affects the QT 7 application, not the  
underlying frameworks. I think the QT 7 framework is installed  
automatically in order to handle old media. I still have to do some  
more tests to confirm this though.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep  8 11:01:54 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:01:54 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>


On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> You only have to choose to install QT7 if you don't have Pro  
> installed on your current OS X install. I just upgraded two machines  
> to Snow Leopard last night. When running the 10.6 installer on the  
> laptop with QT 7 Pro installed QT 7 was automatically checked for  
> install. The machine without QT7 did not automatically check QT 7  
> for install.


You may have been lucky. I have QT7 Pro and my optional install was  
not checked. I left it as it was, and sure enough QTX player overwrote  
my QT7 player, and there was no player in Utilities. I had to go back  
and do the QT7 optional install. Once it was in, it did indeed pick up  
my Pro number automatically.




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep  8 11:05:21 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:05:21 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> You only have to choose to install QT7 if you don't have Pro  
>> installed on your current OS X install. I just upgraded two  
>> machines to Snow Leopard last night. When running the 10.6  
>> installer on the laptop with QT 7 Pro installed QT 7 was  
>> automatically checked for install. The machine without QT7 did not  
>> automatically check QT 7 for install.
>
> You may have been lucky. I have QT7 Pro and my optional install was  
> not checked.

I hope there is more logic in the OS X installer then just "luck" ;-)  
It would be nice to find out what the determining factor is.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep  8 11:59:44 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:59:44 -0400
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected with 'answer
	folder'
Message-ID: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>

I have a customer using a Windows 2003 server with a network drive  
that he has mapped to his Windows computer. I have a test stack that  
calls "answer folder" and then checks if the folder that was selected  
exists.

The path to the folder being selected looks like this:

//Aname/Astring

'there is a folder' returns false and I'm not able to write a file to  
the directory.

Has anyone seen similar behavior and know what is going on?

Thanks,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Sep  8 12:39:04 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:39:04 -0700
Subject: ideas for 6 year old stack
In-Reply-To: <20090907170005.6F86248AA78@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090907170005.6F86248AA78@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AA688A8.9090601@castandcrew.com>

Namaste, Swami

You wrote,

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/dws-youth/
> p.s. ideas on what might be done to enhance this would be more than 
> welcome. I don't have the mental re-estate right now to build out a 
> broader functional specification, but it begs for more...please pile on!
>   

Ok, here is an idea.  (admittedly, an idea requiring a lot of effort, 
though simple to state) : make it game.

As an example I would point to

http://www.runescape.com/

Highly recommended: create an account, log in, do the tutorial.  (10 
minutes).  An adviser comes along to teach you hints about the game.  
They lead you step by step.  There are of course tests to pass, missions 
to accomplish, the parallels are obvious to the DWS course, and the 
youth need high minded games so much!  They are going to play games anyway.

For example, the first thing you learn in the game is how to talk to 
another player, which it says, is the first step towards success of any 
kind.  Say, isn't that true in real life as well?  What success have we 
had that didn't start at some point in time with talking with someone?  
(such as on this list, grin).  We are not alone! 

Aum Aum
Sadhunathan





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep  8 12:47:15 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:47:15 +0200
Subject: ideas for 6 year old stack
In-Reply-To: <4AA688A8.9090601@castandcrew.com>
References: <20090907170005.6F86248AA78@mail.runrev.com>
	<4AA688A8.9090601@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <876D2484-70A9-4003-8391-FFD64BBC7A8A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

When I open your web site, the stack loads and four buttons labelled  
Begin, Help, Contact and Credits appear, but the stack is completely  
unresponsive. Also, there is a white area on the right and in the  
bottom of the stack window.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 8 sep 2009, at 18:39, Sadhu Nadesan wrote:

> Namaste, Swami
>
> You wrote,
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/dws-youth/
>> p.s. ideas on what might be done to enhance this would be more than  
>> welcome. I don't have the mental re-estate right now to build out a  
>> broader functional specification, but it begs for more...please  
>> pile on!
>>



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Sep  8 13:08:10 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:08:10 -0700
Subject: ideas for 6 year old stack
In-Reply-To: <20090908170004.F213D48AB5D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090908170004.F213D48AB5D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AA68F7A.5070706@castandcrew.com>

Mark,

Did you notice Swami's 'known issue' that the stack parts open in 
separate windows (which may or may not be 'behind' the browser)?  If 
that doesn't solve it, tell us about your environment (os, browser, 
etc.).  It's working for me on Windows XP pro, with Firefox.

Sadhu

ps, Swami is on HST, 3 hours behind me in CA on PDT, so I am taking the 
liberty of a reply.

> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
> When I open your web site, the stack loads and four buttons labelled  
> Begin, Help, Contact and Credits appear, but the stack is completely  
> unresponsive. Also, there is a white area on the right and in the  
> bottom of the stack window.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep  8 13:21:19 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:21:19 +0200
Subject: ideas for 6 year old stack
In-Reply-To: <4AA68F7A.5070706@castandcrew.com>
References: <20090908170004.F213D48AB5D@mail.runrev.com>
	<4AA68F7A.5070706@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <FE9F5B6A-2868-4D19-A2C0-83D60512B32A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sadhu,

The third time, the stack loaded and I was able to click on the Begin  
button. The second window opened behind the browser. After looking  
around in that window and closing it, the stack locked up again.

I'm using Mac OS 10.5.7 with Firefox 3.0.8. I haven't read any erlier  
posts about this. I just saw it now and was curious enough to click  
the link.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 8 sep 2009, at 19:08, Sadhu Nadesan wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Did you notice Swami's 'known issue' that the stack parts open in  
> separate windows (which may or may not be 'behind' the browser)?  If  
> that doesn't solve it, tell us about your environment (os, browser,  
> etc.).  It's working for me on Windows XP pro, with Firefox.
>
> Sadhu
>
> ps, Swami is on HST, 3 hours behind me in CA on PDT, so I am taking  
> the liberty of a reply.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep  8 13:45:00 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:45:00 +0100
Subject: On-Rev Function in One File Called by Another
In-Reply-To: <A4D3AB82-6873-4EAF-BB09-5F13AC901F32@videotron.ca>
References: <A4D3AB82-6873-4EAF-BB09-5F13AC901F32@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4AA6981C.4000500@hyperactivesw.com>

Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Wondering if anyone has an example of one iRev file calling a function 
> in another iRev file.  The idea is to build up a little library of 
> portable functions.

If you mean iRev scripts (not stacks) I'd use the new "include" keyword. 
You can attach other iRev files with that, and they function sort of 
like "scripts in use", to coin a term. Sarah has some good examples of 
this at her site, for example, this one:

<http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=test.irev>

Check out her other scripts too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jrosat at mac.com  Tue Sep  8 14:22:36 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:22:36 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
Message-ID: <BC5F68E6-6313-4FB4-936D-F7B3CB712DB4@mac.com>

I need to print a series of numbers on a network printer, one number  
on each page, until there is no more page in the paper tray of the  
printer. Then, I must be able to reload pages and the printing begins  
again with the last number printed + 1.

Is it possible to do that with Revolution ? I think I need to  
"communicated" with the printer and "listen" to know if the paper tray  
is empty.

Thanks

J?r?me Rosat

From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep  8 16:56:36 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:56:36 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>

On 8 Sep 2009, at 17:05, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> I hope there is more logic in the OS X installer then just  
> "luck" ;-) It would be nice to find out what the determining factor  
> is.


I don't have snow leper installed, but I've read the ars technica  
review.

Basically there's two things going on. most more advanced quicktime  
features are actually not yet implemented in the new Quicktime Toolkit  
(QTKit). So for those features, 10.6 always falls back to the QT 7  
APIs. Meanwhile there is also a new QT player, dubbed QT X. it also  
lacks several features that the QT 7 player did have.

The API's are all installed by default (and they need to be, as for  
example, QT X can't even crop stuff), and those features remain  
accessible for all applications that do use QT, for example rev.  
However, the QT player is not, and you need to manually do that by  
choosing the Quicktime 7 check mark in the installer.

Read it yourself (35'000 words!):
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6#qtkit
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/16


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Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep  8 17:01:28 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:01:28 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1506CF12-3000-4F0C-9DE1-B7381C3E0EFB@major.on-rev.com>


Am 08.09.2009 um 22:56 schrieb Bj?rnke von Gierke:

> On 8 Sep 2009, at 17:05, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>> I hope there is more logic in the OS X installer then just  
>> "luck" ;-) It would be nice to find out what the determining factor  
>> is.
> I don't have snow leper

snow LEPER?

C'mon Bj?rnke, it cannot be THAT bad! :-D

> ...

Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep  8 17:14:46 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:14:46 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <1506CF12-3000-4F0C-9DE1-B7381C3E0EFB@major.on-rev.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<1506CF12-3000-4F0C-9DE1-B7381C3E0EFB@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <37E16BB3-5C4D-46E1-9CD8-C88F2B066C6C@mac.com>

On 8 Sep 2009, at 23:01, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> snow LEPER?
>
> C'mon Bj?rnke, it cannot be THAT bad! :-D


That's just how lill steve says the name... but then it might be my  
hearing ;)

I would have installed it, but the clerk said to me:
"it is sold out the second time over already."


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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep  8 17:24:35 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:24:35 -0400
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <37E16BB3-5C4D-46E1-9CD8-C88F2B066C6C@mac.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<1506CF12-3000-4F0C-9DE1-B7381C3E0EFB@major.on-rev.com>
	<37E16BB3-5C4D-46E1-9CD8-C88F2B066C6C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <50AC46ED-079B-4CA9-AED5-E78D7D5F002F@verizon.net>


On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> That's just how lill steve says the name... but then it might be my  
> hearing ;)

The same Steve that kept referring to "Jag-Wire"?




From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Tue Sep  8 17:38:29 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:38:29 +0200
Subject: Is there any way to create an image (screenphoto) of a card in rev
Message-ID: <F9DB3F38-29D3-4D49-A950-5FA191D14509@macbay.de>

Hi!

I have a lot of records in the database of my learning application.  
Now I want to sort them in a new sequence.
In the past, when I learned with real papercards I spread them on the  
floor and ordered them like a puzzle.

To emulate this process today on my computer I want to create small  
images of the cards (records). Big enough to distinguish pictures and  
headlines but small enough to place a dozen of them on my screen. I  
will arrange them with drag and drop and enlarge them with a click on  
one of them so see all details.

Is there any way in revolution to create screencopy-images of cards.  
Or do I have to use an apple script or a comparable feature an a pc?

Thanks
Reinhold


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep  8 17:50:41 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:50:41 +0200
Subject: Is there any way to create an image (screenphoto) of a card in
	rev
In-Reply-To: <F9DB3F38-29D3-4D49-A950-5FA191D14509@macbay.de>
References: <F9DB3F38-29D3-4D49-A950-5FA191D14509@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <EED83018-F2B0-4D75-A605-C1E1FE86D7DD@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Reinhold,

This is one way:

export snapshot from rect (the rect of this card) of this card to  
myVar as PNG
set the text of img 1 to myVar

or:

import snapShot from rect (the rect of this card) of this card
put it into myImageName
-- set rect and loc etc

Read in the docs about import snapshot and export snapwhot for more  
possibilties.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 8 sep 2009, at 23:38, Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have a lot of records in the database of my learning application.  
> Now I want to sort them in a new sequence.
> In the past, when I learned with real papercards I spread them on  
> the floor and ordered them like a puzzle.
>
> To emulate this process today on my computer I want to create small  
> images of the cards (records). Big enough to distinguish pictures  
> and headlines but small enough to place a dozen of them on my  
> screen. I will arrange them with drag and drop and enlarge them with  
> a click on one of them so see all details.
>
> Is there any way in revolution to create screencopy-images of cards.  
> Or do I have to use an apple script or a comparable feature an a pc?
>
> Thanks
> Reinhold




From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  8 18:32:53 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:32:53 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Function in One File Called by Another
In-Reply-To: <20090908170004.C129748AB58@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090908170004.C129748AB58@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <209FAE6B-B60B-4A61-A18A-B25B71EDD105@videotron.ca>

Excellent.  Thank you, Jim.

	G.


On Tue 8 Sep, 2009, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution- 
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Does this help you?
> Use the message path just like on your local machine
>
> start using stack "libStackGLtricks.rev"
>
> Now they are in the message path
> warning: handler names should be unique because the message path means
> only the first one hit will be triggered.
>
> start using stack "libraryStacks/libStackGLtricks.rev"
> start using stack "libraryStacks/libStackGLftp.rev"
> start using stack "libraryStacks/libStackGLfiles.rev"
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas



From dfepstein at comcast.net  Tue Sep  8 19:51:33 2009
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:51:33 -0400
Subject: Scripting approach for a splittable window?
In-Reply-To: <20090904170004.CCCDA48ABC8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090904170004.CCCDA48ABC8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5834A54B-8381-440E-BDA2-F0EFE248235D@comcast.net>

Has anybody tried to build a scrollable, horizontally and vertically  
splittable window interface that allows a user to create and freely  
add, delete, and edit graphic objects or fields in any pane of the  
window?  The true "page size" might be much bigger than can be shown  
in the window at any one time, but the objective is to let the user  
split his view and inspect any 2 vertical regions and any 2  
horizontal regions (as in a spreadsheet).

I can think of various ways this might be approached, and wondered if  
anyone has experience or advice.  Should we make 4 groups with  
identical content, adjust their scroll properties appropriately, and  
when a user edits one group automatically change all the others (and,  
in that case, should this be done by copying a created or modified  
object, or by replacing each entire group with a copy of the changed  
one)?  Should we maybe keep a "master" page off screen entirely, and  
copy objects from that master page to the appropriate pane by  
checking the rect of each object against the pane's intended scroll  
position?  Or should the "master" set of objects be alternately  
hidden, shown in a pane, or cloned in several panes, based on a list  
of their "logical" locations that gets compared with the intended  
pane scroll positions?  Or should we maybe construct each pane from  
an image of a rect of the master page, and when the user tries to  
edit a pane swap in the real objects, or a scrolled view of the  
master page?

Or something else entirely?

Many thanks.

David Epstein

From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep  8 23:20:51 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:20:51 -1000
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected with
	'answer	folder'
In-Reply-To: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca30fc$89807730$9c816590$@com>

Hi Trevor,

> I have a customer using a Windows 2003 server with a network drive
> that he has mapped to his Windows computer. I have a test stack that
> calls "answer folder" and then checks if the folder that was selected
> exists.
> 
> The path to the folder being selected looks like this:
> 
> //Aname/Astring
> 
> 'there is a folder' returns false and I'm not able to write a file to
> the directory.
> 
> Has anyone seen similar behavior and know what is going on?

Yes. Windows doesn't like forward slashes for folders. So, there is a file
//computerName/folderName/filename works, but there is a folder
//computerName/folderName fails. I really don't know why this is, but it is.
So after your answer folder, add the line *replace slash with backslash in
it* and it will work. :-)

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep  9 00:11:18 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:11:18 -0700
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected with
 'answer folder'
In-Reply-To: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4AA72AE6.1030404@pdslabs.net>

Hi Trevor,

What happens if you "set the defaultFolder to" your target folder? Is 
the result empty?

Phil Davis


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> I have a customer using a Windows 2003 server with a network drive 
> that he has mapped to his Windows computer. I have a test stack that 
> calls "answer folder" and then checks if the folder that was selected 
> exists.
>
> The path to the folder being selected looks like this:
>
> //Aname/Astring
>
> 'there is a folder' returns false and I'm not able to write a file to 
> the directory.
>
> Has anyone seen similar behavior and know what is going on?
>
> Thanks,

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Sep  9 02:34:25 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:34:25 -0700
Subject: OS authentication and Rev apps
Message-ID: <AEBAE5AF-25AF-4340-B457-3557839732FF@mac.com>

Microsoft, Apple, and Linux allow single sign on authentication for  
applications and other services. Once you log into the computer the  
system will authenticate the user into the application.

Has anyone done this with a Rev app? If so, how is it done?

Bill Vlahos


From runrevron at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 04:20:06 2009
From: runrevron at gmail.com (ron barber)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:20:06 +0900
Subject: html forms vs revlets
Message-ID: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>

I left html when it was still v. 1 so I have had quite a bit of
catching up to do as I have tried to integrate the new found power of
revlets and my on-rev account. So bear with me as I try to sort things
out as to the advantages of when to use what and how to communicate
between them.

So, typically you use <form> on the webpage to gather information from
the user and then php or similar solution to process that information.
Now we have revlets. Revlets (and <?rev tags ) can take the processing
part and do wonders. But what about the <form> part? Is it stupid to
think of using revlets in the place of forms to interact with the
user? What are the pros/cons of putting up a stack with flds and btns
vs putting up various flds and btns in a form?

Thanks
Ron


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 04:31:07 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:31:07 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that link, Bj?rnke.

After reading the relevant pages of the Ars Technica review, and going
through the comments, I found a reference to this discussion entry,
which seems to clarify the current situation vis a vis Snow Leopard
(which distinguishes between QT the framework and QT the player:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8398878&postcount=56

Although there still seems to be some confusion in the comments on Ars
Technica as to whether or not installing the QT 7 player in 10.6
automatically provides QT Pro features for QT 7.  Some say it did,
others that it didn't.  I've found the GoLive QT editor to be far
superior to using QT Pro anyway.

It still leaves a big question mark over the future of QT as a
framework with a programmable API.  Quicktime for Java is deprecated
in 10.6.  It is very difficult to find Applescript/Automator
information relating to QT on the Apple site, and almost all the
developer information is outdated.  Maybe Apple will have an API for
QT (outside of Objective C) in a few years, as the Ars review
suggests.  Then again, maybe not.

Considering that Livestage Pro seems unavailable (I can't download the
demo, nor access their support site), and their web site is carrying
adverts for hip replacements, it's not a good sign [although
ironically, I am in line for a hip replacement, so maybe it's just to
me that Google is showing that advert].

Bernard

2009/9/8 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>:
> I don't have snow leper installed, but I've read the ars technica review.
>
> Basically there's two things going on. most more advanced quicktime features
> are actually not yet implemented in the new Quicktime Toolkit (QTKit). So
> for those features, 10.6 always falls back to the QT 7 APIs. Meanwhile there
> is also a new QT player, dubbed QT X. it also lacks several features that
> the QT 7 player did have.
>
> The API's are all installed by default (and they need to be, as for example,
> QT X can't even crop stuff), and those features remain accessible for all
> applications that do use QT, for example rev. However, the QT player is not,
> and you need to manually do that by choosing the Quicktime 7 check mark in
> the installer.
>
> Read it yourself (35'000 words!):
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6#qtkit
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/16
>


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 04:46:47 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:46:47 +1000
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, ron barber<runrevron at gmail.com> wrote:
> I left html when it was still v. 1 so I have had quite a bit of
> catching up to do as I have tried to integrate the new found power of
> revlets and my on-rev account. So bear with me as I try to sort things
> out as to the advantages of when to use what and how to communicate
> between them.
>
> So, typically you use <form> on the webpage to gather information from
> the user and then php or similar solution to process that information.
> Now we have revlets. Revlets (and <?rev tags ) can take the processing
> part and do wonders. But what about the <form> part? Is it stupid to
> think of using revlets in the place of forms to interact with the
> user? What are the pros/cons of putting up a stack with flds and btns
> vs putting up various flds and btns in a form?


I hadn't thought of using revlets in the place of forms but it is an
interesting thought.
Currently, we have html forms and the data they send can easily be
processed using irev scripts.
If you had a revlet acting as the form, there seem to be two ways it
could handle the submitted data. Either it could "POST" it all off to
a .irev file exactly or all the processing could be done in the revlet
itself, with any emails generated (using the mail shell command) and
data saved.

Obviously, for us Rev people, the idea of constructing a form in Rev
is much easier than constructing it as HTML, but it does limit your
form fillers to people prepared to install the plugin.

Anyway, it's definitely worth trying and I would love to hear how you
get on with it.

Cheers,
Sarah


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Sep  9 05:19:46 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:19:46 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>

As far as I know LiveStage Pro/Totally Hip died a couple of years back  
(last release 2006 for QT6), presumably because each new version of QT  
broke more and more of the interactive features. Dropping support for  
Flash tracks was the real killer, but LSP was already dead by then. :-(

Ian


On 9 Sep 2009, at 09:31, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Considering that Livestage Pro seems unavailable (I can't download the
> demo, nor access their support site), and their web site is carrying
> adverts for hip replacements, it's not a good sign



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep  9 05:24:33 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:24:33 +0200
Subject: closefield/exitfield
Message-ID: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>

Hi freinds,

I have a question thats on my mind for a long time:
should a "closefield/exitfield" of a field be executed if one clicks a  
button that
has its "traversalon" property set to true (on the same card of course)?

I think yes, but it doesn't, Rev 3.4, OS X 10.5xxx.

According to the docs, "traversalon" will "catch" the focus which  
implies that the focus will be
taken away from other objects, like fields in this case and should  
thus fire a "closefield/exitfield"
handler!?

I also found that sometimes a "mouseenter" of an object in another NOT  
active
stack (sic!), when you move the mouse on the monitor, gets fired, but  
a "closefield/exitfield"
in the active stack does not. This makes it alsmost impossible to  
implement a reliable
"autosave" feature...

Any insights and opinions welcome.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 05:28:36 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:28:36 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909090228y12aed12bq1f6af3ff9c88a6b9@mail.gmail.com>

Inevitably I am going to say what I have been banging on about for quite
some time:
I believe it is in Runtime Revolution's interests to free themselves from a
dependence
on Quicktime; preferably "rolling their own" stuff to handle multimedia:
maybe so that
all the multimedia capabilities offered by RR would work on Linux in exactly
the same way
as they work on Mac and Win.

Sooner rather than later RR's dependency on Quicktime is going to prove an
embarrassment;
and, just possibly, that moment is already upon us.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:

> As far as I know LiveStage Pro/Totally Hip died a couple of years back
> (last release 2006 for QT6), presumably because each new version of QT broke
> more and more of the interactive features. Dropping support for Flash tracks
> was the real killer, but LSP was already dead by then. :-(
>
> Ian
>
>
> On 9 Sep 2009, at 09:31, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
>  Considering that Livestage Pro seems unavailable (I can't download the
>> demo, nor access their support site), and their web site is carrying
>> adverts for hip replacements, it's not a good sign
>>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  9 05:43:00 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:43:00 +0200
Subject: closefield/exitfield
In-Reply-To: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>
References: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2556FF7B-07F5-4F8C-A092-3A931DE2E785@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

Your proposal would break projects that rely on the ability to copy  
selected text from a field by clicking on a button or selecting an  
item from a menu. You really don't want that.

There are sufficient ways to implement an autosave feature. Think of  
closefield, exitfield, selectionchanged, resumestack, suspendstack, et  
cetera.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 9 sep 2009, at 11:24, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi freinds,
>
> I have a question thats on my mind for a long time:
> should a "closefield/exitfield" of a field be executed if one clicks  
> a button that
> has its "traversalon" property set to true (on the same card of  
> course)?
>
> I think yes, but it doesn't, Rev 3.4, OS X 10.5xxx.
>
> According to the docs, "traversalon" will "catch" the focus which  
> implies that the focus will be
> taken away from other objects, like fields in this case and should  
> thus fire a "closefield/exitfield"
> handler!?
>
> I also found that sometimes a "mouseenter" of an object in another  
> NOT active
> stack (sic!), when you move the mouse on the monitor, gets fired,  
> but a "closefield/exitfield"
> in the active stack does not. This makes it alsmost impossible to  
> implement a reliable
> "autosave" feature...
>
> Any insights and opinions welcome.
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep  9 05:51:43 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:51:43 +0200
Subject: closefield/exitfield
In-Reply-To: <2556FF7B-07F5-4F8C-A092-3A931DE2E785@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>
	<2556FF7B-07F5-4F8C-A092-3A931DE2E785@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AF90A76B-D96B-4C47-A1AF-FF84DDBFC218@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mark,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> Your proposal

I did not propose anything.

> would break projects that rely on the ability to copy selected text  
> from a field by clicking on a button or selecting an item from a menu.

I was talking about a button/menubutton/whatever with its  
"traversalon" prop set to TRUE.
If one does not want to lose a selection this MUST be FALSE.

So unfortunately you did not really answer my first question:
Should a "closefield/exitfield" handler of a field be executed if one  
clicks a button that
has its "traversalon" property set to TRUE (on the same card of course)?

> There are sufficient ways to implement an autosave feature.
> Think of closefield, exitfield,

See above that's what this is all about!
This does NOT work!

> resumestack, suspendstack, et cetera.

Yes, we are using this because of the problems described above.

> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Sep  9 06:00:33 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:00:33 +0200
Subject: closefield/exitfield
In-Reply-To: <AF90A76B-D96B-4C47-A1AF-FF84DDBFC218@major.on-rev.com>
References: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>
	<2556FF7B-07F5-4F8C-A092-3A931DE2E785@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AF90A76B-D96B-4C47-A1AF-FF84DDBFC218@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <1CFD89D9-584A-44F2-B41C-E82EB7625B30@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Should a "closefield/exitfield" handler of a field be executed if  
> one clicks a button that
> has its "traversalon" property set to TRUE (on the same card of  
> course)?



closeField message is generally not sent when another control (such as  
a button) is clicked. This is because clicked buttons do not receive  
the focus on Mac OS systems, and therefore the selection remains active.

That help you?

sims


From kevin at stallibrass.com  Wed Sep  9 06:01:33 2009
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:01:33 +0100
Subject: Problems with libURLftpUploadFile
In-Reply-To: <20090904170004.EEF5248ABCA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090904170004.EEF5248ABCA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca3134$837a4810$8a6ed830$@com>

Hi all,
Had no takers on this one so I thought I'd repost it....
I have a problem where:

Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"

works fine but.

Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
Put "c:/myfile.txt" into tFilepath
libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL , "showStatus"

Results in "c:/myfile.txt" instead of the correct data being written into
the uploaded text file 

The same happens if I use libURLftpUpload

So, is it not possible to use 2 variables? Or am I missing something

Regards
Kevin Stallibrass




From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Sep  9 06:07:42 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:07:42 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <74ac8f550909090228y12aed12bq1f6af3ff9c88a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>
	<74ac8f550909090228y12aed12bq1f6af3ff9c88a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12da1772045c4f8d9166cd11391375e4@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 9 sept. 09, ? 11:28, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Inevitably I am going to say what I have been banging on about for 
> quite
> some time:
> I believe it is in Runtime Revolution's interests to free themselves 
> from a
> dependence
> on Quicktime; preferably "rolling their own" stuff to handle 
> multimedia:
> maybe so that
> all the multimedia capabilities offered by RR would work on Linux in 
> exactly
> the same way
> as they work on Mac and Win.
>
> Sooner rather than later RR's dependency on Quicktime is going to 
> prove an
> embarrassment;
> and, just possibly, that moment is already upon us.
>
This is inconsistent. QTX is Apple rewriting as set of API for 
Quicktime; and, as for most software products, the first release is not 
fully satisfying.
  You expect runrev, whose core expertise, IMHO, is not video, to do a 
better job at it: starting from scratch to produce their own multimedia 
package. C'mon.
Give credit to Apple: they acknowledge that QTX is not final by letting 
folks use QT 7.

Honestly, I'd rather see runrev fix the "text field beast".

Fran?ois





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep  9 06:09:00 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:09:00 +0200
Subject: closefield/exitfield
In-Reply-To: <1CFD89D9-584A-44F2-B41C-E82EB7625B30@ezpzapps.com>
References: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>
	<2556FF7B-07F5-4F8C-A092-3A931DE2E785@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AF90A76B-D96B-4C47-A1AF-FF84DDBFC218@major.on-rev.com>
	<1CFD89D9-584A-44F2-B41C-E82EB7625B30@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <6E3739CC-9ACA-48E6-8EB7-4B19DA72EF29@major.on-rev.com>

Hi sims,

> On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> Should a "closefield/exitfield" handler of a field be executed if  
>> one clicks a button that
>> has its "traversalon" property set to TRUE (on the same card of  
>> course)?
> closeField message is generally not sent when another control (such  
> as a button) is clicked. This is because clicked buttons do not  
> receive the focus on Mac OS systems, and therefore the selection  
> remains active.
>
> That help you?

YES, SIR! :-)

How embarrassing, looks like I totally overlooked this in the docs :-/
Thanks again!

> sims

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 06:18:58 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:18:58 -0700
Subject: Problems with libURLftpUploadFile
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3134$837a4810$8a6ed830$@com>
References: <20090904170004.EEF5248ABCA@mail.runrev.com>
	<000001ca3134$837a4810$8a6ed830$@com>
Message-ID: <C6568E43-2F8A-43F7-9A05-DED111719CD8@yahoo.com>


On Sep 9, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Kevin Stallibrass wrote:

> Hi all,
> Had no takers on this one so I thought I'd repost it....
> I have a problem where:
>
> Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
> libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"
>
> works fine but.
>
> Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
> Put "c:/myfile.txt" into tFilepath
> libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL , "showStatus"
>
> Results in "c:/myfile.txt" instead of the correct data being written  
> into
> the uploaded text file
>
> The same happens if I use libURLftpUpload
>
> So, is it not possible to use 2 variables? Or am I missing something


My quick guess is that you are seeing the following...

-1-
libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"

sending a string to be used by libURLftpUploadFile

-2-
libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL ,"showStatus"

allowing the function to 'evaluate' the string inside the variable
This probably results in either
    empty if the file 'myfile.txt' does not exist
   the contents of myfile.txt read from the hard drive
-------
Try this variation
put "c:/" into tFilepath
put "myfile.txt" into tFilename
--now concatenate to form the param at the time of sending
libURLftpUploadFile ( tFilepath & tFilename), tURL ,"showStatus"

This is confusing, I know, but when working with interpretive  
languages, these nuances are part of the landscape.  They have their  
purpose since there are times when this is exactly what you want.   
Power programmers use this to their advantage when the literal path  
and filename is not known but discovered at runtime on different hard  
drives.

Hope this works for you.  Let us know.
If not I will do a little digging into the libURLftpUploadFile in the  
library to see how Rev uses the first param.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 06:47:04 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:47:04 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <12da1772045c4f8d9166cd11391375e4@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>
	<74ac8f550909090228y12aed12bq1f6af3ff9c88a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<12da1772045c4f8d9166cd11391375e4@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909090347rd1dfa80o68c0f1462df706bb@mail.gmail.com>

I know that RR's expertise is not in the "QT territory"; but I  still cannot
helpthinking that beyond dependence on operating systems (well . . . Google
Chrome,
Runtime Revolution "Doors 95" . . . ) that it would behoove them to be less
rather
than more dependent on external software.

2009/9/9 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>

>
> Le 9 sept. 09, ? 11:28, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
>  Inevitably I am going to say what I have been banging on about for quite
>> some time:
>> I believe it is in Runtime Revolution's interests to free themselves from
>> a
>> dependence
>> on Quicktime; preferably "rolling their own" stuff to handle multimedia:
>> maybe so that
>> all the multimedia capabilities offered by RR would work on Linux in
>> exactly
>> the same way
>> as they work on Mac and Win.
>>
>> Sooner rather than later RR's dependency on Quicktime is going to prove an
>> embarrassment;
>> and, just possibly, that moment is already upon us.
>>
>>  This is inconsistent. QTX is Apple rewriting as set of API for Quicktime;
> and, as for most software products, the first release is not fully
> satisfying.
>  You expect runrev, whose core expertise, IMHO, is not video, to do a
> better job at it: starting from scratch to produce their own multimedia
> package. C'mon.
> Give credit to Apple: they acknowledge that QTX is not final by letting
> folks use QT 7.
>
> Honestly, I'd rather see runrev fix the "text field beast".
>
> Fran?ois
>
>
>
>
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Wed Sep  9 06:58:34 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:58:34 -0400
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EE5A254-E7AF-4350-9AC4-FE0F6F690C2C@kenjikojima.com>

Ron,

I made Japanese samples.

irev:
http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/ja_wikipedia/

php:
http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/ja_wikipediaPHP/

You can download files from the pages.
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




On Sep 9, 2009, at 04:20 AM, ron barber wrote:

> I left html when it was still v. 1 so I have had quite a bit of
> catching up to do as I have tried to integrate the new found power of
> revlets and my on-rev account. So bear with me as I try to sort things
> out as to the advantages of when to use what and how to communicate
> between them.
>
> So, typically you use <form> on the webpage to gather information from
> the user and then php or similar solution to process that information.
> Now we have revlets. Revlets (and <?rev tags ) can take the processing
> part and do wonders. But what about the <form> part? Is it stupid to
> think of using revlets in the place of forms to interact with the
> user? What are the pros/cons of putting up a stack with flds and btns
> vs putting up various flds and btns in a form?
>
> Thanks
> Ron
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 06:59:34 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:59:34 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <12da1772045c4f8d9166cd11391375e4@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>
	<74ac8f550909090228y12aed12bq1f6af3ff9c88a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<12da1772045c4f8d9166cd11391375e4@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0909090359s78064ffdp127fe15fad9a1e0e@mail.gmail.com>

I have to agree with Fran?ois.

There is no way that RunRev on their own could produce a multimedia
tool to equal QT. We just have to hope that QT will be developed in
such a way that in the future it will still work with those tools that
edit QT movies.  It's a poor show that Apple does not provide any idea
about where QT is going, 18 months after QT X was first announced to
developers.  When this is seen along with the deprecation of past
development information, there is not much else than hope.  It may be
that there will be a new set of cross-platform APIs, but there is no
sign of that.

Perhaps it is time that RunRev started to look at providing a Flash
player object.  After all, there are open source actionscript
compilers, and quite a few open source development tools for Flash.
At least that would reduce the dependency on Quicktime alone.

Bernard

2009/9/9 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>:
>
> Le 9 sept. 09, ? 11:28, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
>> I believe it is in Runtime Revolution's interests to free themselves from
>> a
>> dependence
>> on Quicktime; preferably "rolling their own" stuff to handle multimedia:

> This is inconsistent. QTX is Apple rewriting as set of API for Quicktime;
> and, as for most software products, the first release is not fully
> satisfying.
> ?You expect runrev, whose core expertise, IMHO, is not video, to do a better
> job at it: starting from scratch to produce their own multimedia package.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  9 07:25:44 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:25:44 -0700
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <4AA790B8.7000002@fourthworld.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> There is no way that RunRev on their own could produce a multimedia
> tool to equal QT.

I can't imagine they would ever try.

Far better would be to simply make better use of the various APIs 
available for Win and Linux.

I like QT for many things, but sometimes I just want to play video, 
reliably and flexibly.  All supported OSes have engines for that, but 
Rev's hooks in to them are a bit long in the tooth....

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6342>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 07:34:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:34:06 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0909090359s78064ffdp127fe15fad9a1e0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909090131s4d3f49e5q7e083e344a6e5520@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B12A4C5-9B20-482A-95DC-03DD9FBDB017@azurevision.co.uk>
	<74ac8f550909090228y12aed12bq1f6af3ff9c88a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<12da1772045c4f8d9166cd11391375e4@mines-paristech.fr>
	<edcc7e6b0909090359s78064ffdp127fe15fad9a1e0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909090434x150b70b5n83ab3bceb376e2bb@mail.gmail.com>

Flash - Smash!  Poo!
I have a feeling that if we all make an effort we can leverage the revLets
and the web plug-in
to leave Flash far behind.

And, while we are on the subject; there are other, less obvious,ways to
provide animation
and so on on RR. A while back (wait until I am back in Bulgaria to reference
my stack on
this) I found that one can export a movie as a series of still images,
import them on some
hidden card, and then set them through a repeat loop as icons for a button
or imagedata
or, or, or . . . there are quite a few possibilities (animated GIFS ???):
the problem with this
method is that sound gets lost.

As far as I can see just now the main things that would be 'lost' without
the QT leverage would
be synchronised sound with 'movies' and QTVR.

So, as far as I can see, if one makes a bit of an effort one should be able
to do all the things that
RR currently gets via QT without QT. What is needed is for US, ALL to spend
a bit of time
running up example stacks on how this can be done.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to agree with Fran?ois.
>
> There is no way that RunRev on their own could produce a multimedia
> tool to equal QT. We just have to hope that QT will be developed in
> such a way that in the future it will still work with those tools that
> edit QT movies.  It's a poor show that Apple does not provide any idea
> about where QT is going, 18 months after QT X was first announced to
> developers.  When this is seen along with the deprecation of past
> development information, there is not much else than hope.  It may be
> that there will be a new set of cross-platform APIs, but there is no
> sign of that.
>
> Perhaps it is time that RunRev started to look at providing a Flash
> player object.  After all, there are open source actionscript
> compilers, and quite a few open source development tools for Flash.
> At least that would reduce the dependency on Quicktime alone.
>
> Bernard
>
> 2009/9/9 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>:
> >
> > Le 9 sept. 09, ? 11:28, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
> >
> >> I believe it is in Runtime Revolution's interests to free themselves
> from
> >> a
> >> dependence
> >> on Quicktime; preferably "rolling their own" stuff to handle multimedia:
>
> > This is inconsistent. QTX is Apple rewriting as set of API for Quicktime;
> > and, as for most software products, the first release is not fully
> > satisfying.
> >  You expect runrev, whose core expertise, IMHO, is not video, to do a
> better
> > job at it: starting from scratch to produce their own multimedia package.
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From kevin at stallibrass.com  Wed Sep  9 07:52:53 2009
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:52:53 +0100
Subject: Problems with libURLftpUploadFile
In-Reply-To: <20090904170004.EEF5248ABCA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090904170004.EEF5248ABCA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000701ca3144$1105f260$3311d720$@com>

Thanks Pierre

I had preferred to use libURLftpUploadFile because I could set up a callback
to work a scrollbar, do other things when pStatus is "downloaded" etc
However, I seem to have got it working now. FYI,

Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
Put "c:/myfile.txt" into tFilepath
libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL , "showStatus"
does not work

Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
Put "c:/myfile.txt" into nURL
libURLftpUploadFile  nURL, tURL , "showStatus"
works fine!

Only difference is the name of the variable - wonder why?

Thanks anyway
Kevin



Pierre wrote
Try this working 24/7 there (Rev Ent 3.5, OS X 10.5.8)

put url ("binfile:" & path_to_thefile_to_upload) into url  
(your_FTP_server_credentials at address & the_remote_path & "/" &  
the_uploaded_file_name))
if url (FTP_Server_Address.../the_uploaded_file_name) is "" then beep

Cheers,

P.

Le 4 sept. 09 ` 16:37, Kevin Stallibrass a icrit :

> Hi all,
> I have a problem where:
> Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
> libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"
> works fine but.
>
> Put fld "contains FTP path" into tURL
> Put "c:/myfile.txt" into tFilepath
> libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL , "showStatus"
> Results in "c:/myfile.txt" instead of the correct data being written  
> into
> the uploaded text file
>
> The same happens if I use libURLftpUpload
> So, is it not possible to use 2 variables? Or am I missing something
> Regards
> Kevin Stallibrass




From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Sep  9 07:54:37 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:54:37 +0200
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <34c639a7c4d45cbf1fa1b55d83e5d796@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 8 sept. 09, ? 22:56, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> On 8 Sep 2009, at 17:05, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> I hope there is more logic in the OS X installer then just "luck" ;-) 
>> It would be nice to find out what the determining factor is.
>
>
> I don't have snow leper installed, but I've read the ars technica 
> review.
>
> Basically there's two things going on. most more advanced quicktime 
> features are actually not yet implemented in the new Quicktime Toolkit 
> (QTKit). So for those features, 10.6 always falls back to the QT 7 
> APIs. Meanwhile there is also a new QT player, dubbed QT X. it also 
> lacks several features that the QT 7 player did have.
>
> The API's are all installed by default (and they need to be, as for 
> example, QT X can't even crop stuff), and those features remain 
> accessible for all applications that do use QT, for example rev. 
> However, the QT player is not, and you need to manually do that by 
> choosing the Quicktime 7 check mark in the installer.
>
> Read it yourself (35'000 words!):
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6#qtkit
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/16
>

Le 8 sept. 09, ? 22:56, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> On 8 Sep 2009, at 17:05, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> I hope there is more logic in the OS X installer then just "luck" ;-) 
>> It would be nice to find out what the determining factor is.
>
>
> I don't have snow leper installed, but I've read the ars technica 
> review.
>
> Basically there's two things going on. most more advanced quicktime 
> features are actually not yet implemented in the new Quicktime Toolkit 
> (QTKit). So for those features, 10.6 always falls back to the QT 7 
> APIs. Meanwhile there is also a new QT player, dubbed QT X. it also 
> lacks several features that the QT 7 player did have.
>
> The API's are all installed by default (and they need to be, as for 
> example, QT X can't even crop stuff), and those features remain 
> accessible for all applications that do use QT, for example rev. 
> However, the QT player is not, and you need to manually do that by 
> choosing the Quicktime 7 check mark in the installer.
>
> Read it yourself (35'000 words!):
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6#qtkit
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/16
>
>
I am currently reading this very good review, and it does indicate that 
the APIs are still there.
While I previously said that it is beyond runrev's reach to build a 
multimedia framework by itself, it is quite capable, IMHO, to create a 
player object with the same functionalities as before and running 
within SL.
Actually, it is probable that the runrev player still works fine (I 
have not tested it myself, as I am part of the cowards who never 
install the first release of an OS), since the APIs seemingly are still 
here.


cheers
	Fran?ois





From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep  9 08:05:43 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:05:43 -0400
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 72, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <20090909105940.5924248ABB5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090909105940.5924248ABB5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DEE04228-F9FD-4A17-B9E1-435C4F6268CA@videotron.ca>

Thank you Jacqueline,

Yes, I meant scripts.  I had seen these at Sarah's site and was  
guessing that they might be the right thing.  I'm going to start  
tinkering with the "include" keyword.

Regards,

	Gregory

On Wed 9 Sep, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Jacqueline wrote:

> Gregory Lypny wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Wondering if anyone has an example of one iRev file calling a  
>> function
>> in another iRev file.  The idea is to build up a little library of
>> portable functions.
>
> If you mean iRev scripts (not stacks) I'd use the new "include"  
> keyword.
> You can attach other iRev files with that, and they function sort of
> like "scripts in use", to coin a term. Sarah has some good examples of
> this at her site, for example, this one:
>
> <http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=test.irev>
>
> Check out her other scripts too.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From rman at free.fr  Wed Sep  9 08:13:24 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25363694.post@talk.nabble.com>


Using revleT as forms opens up better interaction possibilities like :

- attaching sound & recorded material to aknowledge choice
- using datagrids as menus for intermixing pictures and words and sounds!?
- having fun menus with graphics, a bit like games or moving things to
catch!!

Now the big problem is the communication back from the revlet to the rest of
the site ei the logic handling of the answer.. if its just to fill a
database on the site, like a side action, ok, but if it is for calling new
page with parameters, editing content of page.. it seems it will not work SO
FAR (revlets can only easily read parameters at the opening stage).

So I concluded for my part that revlet should be used in place of
substantial part of a site (the CMS part) , or to replace a site (eg.
particularly for CMS), but not to replace forms. (there is an earlier thread
on the sibject of communicating from revlet to webpage)

For instance it should be easy to have a store in a revlet form...

But then again, for the future.. it's not yet there.
Robert
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 09:28:57 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:28:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: closefield/exitfield
In-Reply-To: <9A034CE5-2014-46AA-82E7-12704018B41B@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <774347.61250.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Klaus,

The 'traversalOn' property has no effect for buttons on MacOSX. The safest way is to 'select empty' just before doing your auto-saving stuff; for the best user experience, save 'the selectedChunk' and select it again afterwards.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Klaus Major <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

> From: Klaus Major <klaus at major.on-rev.com>
> Subject: closefield/exitfield
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 2:24 AM
> Hi freinds,
> 
> I have a question thats on my mind for a long time:
> should a "closefield/exitfield" of a field be executed if
> one clicks a button that
> has its "traversalon" property set to true (on the same
> card of course)?
> 
> I think yes, but it doesn't, Rev 3.4, OS X 10.5xxx.
> 
> According to the docs, "traversalon" will "catch" the focus
> which implies that the focus will be
> taken away from other objects, like fields in this case and
> should thus fire a "closefield/exitfield"
> handler!?
> 
> I also found that sometimes a "mouseenter" of an object in
> another NOT active
> stack (sic!), when you move the mouse on the monitor, gets
> fired, but a "closefield/exitfield"
> in the active stack does not. This makes it alsmost
> impossible to implement a reliable
> "autosave" feature...
> 
> Any insights and opinions welcome.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep  9 09:31:02 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:31:02 -0400
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected with
	'answer	folder'
In-Reply-To: <000001ca30fc$89807730$9c816590$@com>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<000001ca30fc$89807730$9c816590$@com>
Message-ID: <E27D0805-4BFA-4126-BF7E-034372D9F436@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Yes. Windows doesn't like forward slashes for folders. So, there is  
> a file
> //computerName/folderName/filename works, but there is a folder
> //computerName/folderName fails. I really don't know why this is,  
> but it is.
> So after your answer folder, add the line *replace slash with  
> backslash in
> it* and it will work. :-)

Hi Jim,

I just tried that but it doesn't make a difference. I've never run  
into problems myself with forward slashes and checking for folder  
existence. I believe the engine makes the necessary changes under the  
hood.

I did some more investigating and here is what I have found out.

When using the answer folder dialog in Revolution you can select  
objects that aren't actually folders. For example, you can select "My  
Network Places" or "My Network Places" > "Entire Network" and press  
the "OK" button. What you get back is an empty string in 'it' and 'the  
result' is "cancel".

Another selection you can make in the answer folder dialog is "My  
Network Places" > MY_SHARE_NAME (a resource that has an icon of a  
folder with a network cable under it). Selecting the network share  
name returns a value in 'it' but the path does not actually point to a  
folder, but rather the share. 'the result' is empty.

Selecting a folder within the share such as "My Network Places" >  
MY_SHARE_NAME > "My Folder" gives a valid folder path.

So if you are using answer folder and wondering why the value returned  
is not a folder then this likely why. In a few tests I just did with  
'answer file', clicking the "Open" button would not close the dialog  
box if a valid file was not selected. I would think that answer folder  
should behave the same, although it would mean that a Revolution  
developer would not be able to prompt the user for a network share  
name (is that something people need to do?).

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep  9 09:33:20 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:33:20 -0400
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected with
	'answer folder'
In-Reply-To: <4AA72AE6.1030404@pdslabs.net>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4AA72AE6.1030404@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <A7AF19B2-57F1-4E79-945E-480894B2FB03@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> What happens if you "set the defaultFolder to" your target folder?  
> Is the result empty?

Yes, the result is empty. Interestingly enough it seems to work and  
you can get "the folders" and the proper folders in the network share  
(see my response to Jim for further details).

So 'there is a folder' returns false for the path to the share and the  
defaultFolder accepts the path to the share. All very clear :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep  9 09:40:31 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:40:31 +0200
Subject: closefield/exitfield
In-Reply-To: <774347.61250.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <774347.61250.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8101AFD5-7DCF-465C-BEE5-CEF963D4C739@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jan,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> The 'traversalOn' property has no effect for buttons on MacOSX. The  
> safest way is to 'select empty' just before doing your auto-saving  
> stuff; for the best user experience, save 'the selectedChunk' and  
> select it again afterwards.

thank you, I already came to this conclusion after the replies to my  
post about three hours ago ;-)

> HTH,
>
> Jan Schenkel

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  9 10:16:48 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:16:48 -0700
Subject: weird card deletion anomalies
Message-ID: <4AA7B8D0.1030703@fourthworld.com>

I'm rewriting my script editor to use multiple cards in a single window 
rather than a separate window for each script.  The migration has been 
going well, with one oddity:

When I first set this up, I had the stack's closeStack handler delete 
every card from #2 on:

   go cd 1
   repeat with i = 2 to the number of cds
     delete cd 2
   end repeat

This worked well enough, but I found that about half the time I saved 
the Rev engine would crash.  The file was fine - I can reopen it, edit 
anything easily, and even save it again.  But only after it creates 
multiple cards, about half the time it crashed during the save command, 
while half the time it saved just fine.  FWIW, the crash occured before 
the "~" copy was made, so it's something early on in the save routine.

On a lark I move the card deletion from the closeStack handler to a 
preOpenStack handler.  Now it works fine all the time  - I can save 
without difficulty.

Anyone else seen odd crashes during save?

I've checked the RQCC, and there's only one report of a crash during 
save which doesn't seem related to my circumstance.

It's all good now, I'm happily editing away, but it's the sort of thing 
that makes me wonder if I've tripped across some rare but 
possibly-devastatig-for-some-client-project-down-the-road issue....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 10:27:35 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:27:35 +0100
Subject: Quicktime and the Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <34c639a7c4d45cbf1fa1b55d83e5d796@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <74ac8f550909070813w2fdd877ewe397e790504657f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0909070901qaabc9a8u6ea2bb445bdff433@mail.gmail.com>
	<53AD8DCB-D39F-46D1-8AF5-BFFBCAC0F0E1@major.on-rev.com>
	<FBD7499A-3496-43BC-B2BB-4D54CAD6B624@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860909080135o401380d6ibf2c53ccd637a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39373EF3-6648-4AEB-9C84-7BCB73662197@mangomultimedia.com>
	<667BC526-B03B-45B4-ADBF-38DA65AFD38E@verizon.net>
	<088215AD-34D9-46D2-A206-37B38A8E2494@mangomultimedia.com>
	<35D58EC0-4B72-4C2F-82F3-03C113CF0E2A@mac.com>
	<34c639a7c4d45cbf1fa1b55d83e5d796@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <74ac8f550909090727q1c59edd7i84915e89f9d37ea@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Le 8 sept. 09, ? 22:56, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :
>>
>>
>> I don't have snow leper installed, but I've read the ars technica review.
>>
>> Oh, Gosh, I'm sorry, but this is just TOO GOOD not to pick up on.

presumably that is why several people at the conference were looking rather
pale:
some bad cases of SNOW LEPROSY as a result of upgrading . . .   :)

Personally, I am waiting for RUNTIME RENOVATION (every boxed set comes
with a paintbrush and a set of overalls)!

As I have only PPC Macs I won't be buying 'Snow Leper' as I don't
want to make an 'Ars' (technical or otherwise) of myself.

Love, Richmond.


From tereza at califex.com  Wed Sep  9 10:32:39 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:32:39 -0500
Subject: weird card deletion anomalies
In-Reply-To: <4AA7B8D0.1030703@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AA7B8D0.1030703@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CC6548FC-2169-45B6-BA80-8DA80EF7FDC0@califex.com>


On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'm rewriting my script editor to use multiple cards in a single  
> window rather than a separate window for each script.  The migration  
> has been going well, with one oddity:
>
> When I first set this up, I had the stack's closeStack handler  
> delete every card from #2 on:
>
>  go cd 1
>  repeat with i = 2 to the number of cds
>    delete cd 2
>  end repeat

Why not use "for i = the number of cds down to 2"? Seems cleaner to  
me. Though I know that the representation of cards in memory probably  
has nothing to do with card order, it feels to me that peeling them  
off the back would be cleaner than pulling them out of the middle.  
And, as is most likely, the cards were not shuffled after they were  
created, or inserted into the middle of the stack, it might actually  
be relevant to the crash. I admit that's a stretch, though.

>
> This worked well enough, but I found that about half the time I  
> saved the Rev engine would crash.  The file was fine - I can reopen  
> it, edit anything easily, and even save it again.  But only after it  
> creates multiple cards, about half the time it crashed during the  
> save command, while half the time it saved just fine.  FWIW, the  
> crash occured before the "~" copy was made, so it's something early  
> on in the save routine.
>
> On a lark I move the card deletion from the closeStack handler to a  
> preOpenStack handler.  Now it works fine all the time  - I can save  
> without difficulty.
>
> Anyone else seen odd crashes during save?
>

Are you compacting the stack before saving?

Does it crash if, as a debugging measure,  you exit  before actually  
saving? Then save in a separate call?

just some thoughts,

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Sep  9 10:45:15 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:45:15 +0000
Subject: [RunRevLive09] Was anyone successfull in watching the recorded
 sessions of Rod Nicolson
Message-ID: <000388B1.4AA7DB9A@the-office.us>

Hi,

was anyone of the simulcast attendees successfull in watching  the recorded sessions of Rod Nicolson?
It seems that the recorded sessions  'Educational Rev Vigenttes' are not complete. 
The sessions start "right in the middle" and also the end is interrupted.

Regards

Matthias




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  9 11:21:44 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:21:44 -0700
Subject: weird card deletion anomalies
Message-ID: <4AA7C808.7020008@fourthworld.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:

> On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> I'm rewriting my script editor to use multiple cards in a single  
>> window rather than a separate window for each script.  The migration  
>> has been going well, with one oddity:
>>
>> When I first set this up, I had the stack's closeStack handler  
>> delete every card from #2 on:
>>
>>  go cd 1
>>  repeat with i = 2 to the number of cds
>>    delete cd 2
>>  end repeat
> 
> Why not use "for i = the number of cds down to 2"? Seems cleaner to  
> me. Though I know that the representation of cards in memory probably  
> has nothing to do with card order, it feels to me that peeling them  
> off the back would be cleaner than pulling them out of the middle.  
> And, as is most likely, the cards were not shuffled after they were  
> created, or inserted into the middle of the stack, it might actually  
> be relevant to the crash. I admit that's a stretch, though.

It may be a long shot, but if it helps pin it down it's worth trying. 
Thanks for the suggestion.

If it's related to the crash, however, it may raise a question about the 
stability of reordering cards.

We'll see....

>> This worked well enough, but I found that about half the time I  
>> saved the Rev engine would crash.  The file was fine - I can reopen  
>> it, edit anything easily, and even save it again.  But only after it  
>> creates multiple cards, about half the time it crashed during the  
>> save command, while half the time it saved just fine.  FWIW, the  
>> crash occured before the "~" copy was made, so it's something early  
>> on in the save routine.
>>
>> On a lark I move the card deletion from the closeStack handler to a  
>> preOpenStack handler.  Now it works fine all the time  - I can save  
>> without difficulty.
>>
>> Anyone else seen odd crashes during save?
> 
> Are you compacting the stack before saving?
> 
> Does it crash if, as a debugging measure,  you exit  before actually  
> saving? Then save in a separate call?

Sometimes I use a variant of MC's Save menu item, which does a compact, 
a brief pause, then a save, and other times I've used just the save 
command by itself.  I've noticed no difference between compacting and 
not compacting on this one.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  9 11:26:21 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:26:21 -0700
Subject: weird card deletion anomalies
In-Reply-To: <4AA7C808.7020008@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AA7C808.7020008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AA7C91D.3050209@fourthworld.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>> I'm rewriting my script editor to use multiple cards in a single  
>>> window rather than a separate window for each script.  The migration  
>>> has been going well, with one oddity:
>>>
>>> When I first set this up, I had the stack's closeStack handler  
>>> delete every card from #2 on:
>>>
>>>  go cd 1
>>>  repeat with i = 2 to the number of cds
>>>    delete cd 2
>>>  end repeat
>>
>> Why not use "for i = the number of cds down to 2"? Seems cleaner to  
>> me. Though I know that the representation of cards in memory probably  
>> has nothing to do with card order, it feels to me that peeling them  
>> off the back would be cleaner than pulling them out of the middle.  
>> And, as is most likely, the cards were not shuffled after they were  
>> created, or inserted into the middle of the stack, it might actually  
>> be relevant to the crash. I admit that's a stretch, though.
> 
> It may be a long shot, but if it helps pin it down it's worth trying. 
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> 
> If it's related to the crash, however, it may raise a question about the 
> stability of reordering cards.
> 
> We'll see....

I just tried the change to delete cards off the back on closeStack 
rather than "delete cd 2" - still crashed.  Once I removed that from 
closeStack and reinstated it in the preOpenStack handler it resumed 
reliable operation.

I guess the good news there is that reordering cards on the fly doesn't 
seem to have a problem. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From kevin at stallibrass.com  Wed Sep  9 12:22:00 2009
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:22:00 +0100
Subject: problems with libURLftpUploadfile
In-Reply-To: <20090909105940.7B99E48AB98@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090909105940.7B99E48AB98@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <001d01ca3169$a91c1f00$fb545d00$@com>

Thanks Jim,
This is really good advice which I'll try this evening. I does put me in a
bit of a quandary though as my original script now works just by changing
the variable name.(no idea why) This will probably fail at the worst moment
knowing my luck so I'll try your suggestion and report back.
Regards
Kevin Stallibrass

Jim Ault Wrote:

My quick guess is that you are seeing the following...

-1-
libURLftpUploadFile  "c:/myfile.txt", tURL ,"showStatus"

sending a string to be used by libURLftpUploadFile

-2-
libURLftpUploadFile  tFilepath, tURL ,"showStatus"

allowing the function to 'evaluate' the string inside the variable
This probably results in either
    empty if the file 'myfile.txt' does not exist
   the contents of myfile.txt read from the hard drive
-------
Try this variation
put "c:/" into tFilepath
put "myfile.txt" into tFilename
--now concatenate to form the param at the time of sending
libURLftpUploadFile ( tFilepath & tFilename), tURL ,"showStatus"

This is confusing, I know, but when working with interpretive  
languages, these nuances are part of the landscape.  They have their  
purpose since there are times when this is exactly what you want.   
Power programmers use this to their advantage when the literal path  
and filename is not known but discovered at runtime on different hard  
drives.

Hope this works for you.  Let us know.
If not I will do a little digging into the libURLftpUploadFile in the  
library to see how Rev uses the first param.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep  9 12:22:49 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:22:49 -0400
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected with
	'answer	folder'
In-Reply-To: <E27D0805-4BFA-4126-BF7E-034372D9F436@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<000001ca30fc$89807730$9c816590$@com>
	<E27D0805-4BFA-4126-BF7E-034372D9F436@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <7AEDEE2A-4B0A-4D67-A526-5C8281D1B5F8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Another selection you can make in the answer folder dialog is "My  
> Network Places" > MY_SHARE_NAME (a resource that has an icon of a  
> folder with a network cable under it). Selecting the network share  
> name returns a value in 'it' but the path does not actually point to  
> a folder, but rather the share. 'the result' is empty.

Another update -

After further discussions with the customer it turns out that he can  
create folders/files directly within the share.

On my setup I can't create folders or copy files directly to the  
share, I have to work on a folder inside the share. That behavior is  
probably related to how VMWare set the share up though.

So it appears that 'there is a folder' is just not seeing shares as  
folders when they should be. I think I'm going to file a bug report.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 12:24:16 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:24:16 -0700
Subject: Scripting approach for a splittable window?
In-Reply-To: <5834A54B-8381-440E-BDA2-F0EFE248235D@comcast.net>
References: <20090904170004.CCCDA48ABC8@mail.runrev.com>
	<5834A54B-8381-440E-BDA2-F0EFE248235D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3398560F-8D2F-4C3B-9809-2D52F769913B@cox.net>

Hi David,

I guess not too many Revers are heavily into drawing applications.

Several months ago I started to do pretty much what you're describing,  
but got discouraged because I knew I had already done "something"  
similar to it years ago using FutureBasic, and it wasn't nearly as  
difficult. More direct. It was the drawing tools that gave me the most  
problems. Instead of using "panes", if I remember correctly, I had the  
master (whole) drawing off-screen, but had trouble efficiently moving  
around the drawing with scrolling, panning or zooming. Basically, I  
wanted to duplicate MacDraft in Rev, so I could give it features MD  
doesn't have and probably never will. Unless you have a very large  
monitor, as I do, dividing it into 4 panes seems to be not very  
useful, since it would be, perhaps, more useful to merely be able to  
zoom or pan portions of the master-page to the full screen.

Good luck. I look forward to your progress.

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:51 PM, David Epstein wrote:

> Has anybody tried to build a scrollable, horizontally and vertically  
> splittable window interface that allows a user to create and freely  
> add, delete, and edit graphic objects or fields in any pane of the  
> window?  The true "page size" might be much bigger than can be shown  
> in the window at any one time, but the objective is to let the user  
> split his view and inspect any 2 vertical regions and any 2  
> horizontal regions (as in a spreadsheet).
>
> I can think of various ways this might be approached, and wondered  
> if anyone has experience or advice.  Should we make 4 groups with  
> identical content, adjust their scroll properties appropriately, and  
> when a user edits one group automatically change all the others  
> (and, in that case, should this be done by copying a created or  
> modified object, or by replacing each entire group with a copy of  
> the changed one)?  Should we maybe keep a "master" page off screen  
> entirely, and copy objects from that master page to the appropriate  
> pane by checking the rect of each object against the pane's intended  
> scroll position?  Or should the "master" set of objects be  
> alternately hidden, shown in a pane, or cloned in several panes,  
> based on a list of their "logical" locations that gets compared with  
> the intended pane scroll positions?  Or should we maybe construct  
> each pane from an image of a rect of the master page, and when the  
> user tries to edit a pane swap in the real objects, or a scrolled  
> view of the master page?
>
> Or something else entirely?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> David Epstein


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Wed Sep  9 12:41:18 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:41:18 -0700
Subject: ideas for 6 year old stack
In-Reply-To: <20090909105940.7B99E48AB98@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090909105940.7B99E48AB98@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AA7DAAE.5090401@castandcrew.com>

Hi Mark,

Ok, sorry, I have to defer to Swami then.  It works fine for me on 
Windoz, Firefox 3.5.2.  I don't have a Mac to try it with.

Aloha,
Sadhu

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:21:19 +0200
> From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Subject: Re: ideas for 6 year old stack
>
> Hi Sadhu,
>
> The third time, the stack loaded and I was able to click on the Begin  
> button. The second window opened behind the browser. After looking  
> around in that window and closing it, the stack locked up again.
>
> I'm using Mac OS 10.5.7 with Firefox 3.0.8. I haven't read any erlier  
> posts about this. I just saw it now and was curious enough to click  
> the link.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>
>   
>   


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  9 13:21:06 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:21:06 -0700
Subject: Scripting approach for a splittable window?
Message-ID: <4AA7E402.3070108@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> I guess not too many Revers are heavily into drawing applications.
> 
> Several months ago I started to do pretty much what you're describing,  
> but got discouraged because I knew I had already done "something"  
> similar to it years ago using FutureBasic, and it wasn't nearly as  
> difficult. More direct.

Coming from many years with SuperCard, this is one of the very few areas 
where I've been disappointed with the Rev experience.

The design philosophy with SC was that all tools are available to the 
scripter for use in their apps, and because the pointer tool is used in 
a very different context from the browse tool is has its own set of 
messages (pointerDown, pointerUp, pointerDoubleUp, etc.).

For many years Rev the philosophy seemed to be that the pointer tool, 
while available to developers to use if they can, exists primarily for 
the benefit of layout tasks within the IDE.

There is some merit to this approach, but also some compromises.

The upside is that the arrow tool was really only useful for working 
with native primitives (buttons, fields, etc.), and modern drawing apps 
like MacDraft need more complex objects anyway so historically the 
thinking was that if you need complex objects use the browse tool and 
emulate all of the pointer tool behaviors.

The downside was that it sounds simple enough, but ask anyone who's done 
it just how simple it is to maintain each object in a nested group which 
contains a group of control handles for indicating selection and 
resizing.  It's a lot of work to set up, adds a tremendous amount of 
complexity to your code, and noticeable lags when you work with it 
relative to the snappy performance and ease of implementation with the 
pointer tool, where selection handles just naturally come along for the 
ride.

Rev took a giant leap forward toward supporting the crafting of modern 
drawing environments with v3.5, which now allows groups to have their 
own selectGroupedControls property settable independently of the global 
property of the same name.   In conjunction with 3.5's new 
group-specific messages, and with Behaviors so you can manage any number 
of custom control instances from a single script, you can now craft 
custom controls which work gracefully with the pointer tool in many 
circumstances.

But there are still a few weaknesses:

Line and polygon objects still cannot be interactively resized to be 
perfectly horizontal or vertical.  It's not merely that it doesn't 
support the conventional convenience of doing this automatically when 
dragging with the Shift key, it simply can't be done at all without the 
new editMode property, which carries subtle but important implications 
that make it suboptimal for end-user drawing environments, as Ken notes 
here:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7706>

Also, some mouse messages are only sent to controls when the pointer 
tool is active, while they're also sent to the card when the browse tool 
is active, such as dragEnter, making it difficult for a drawing pane to 
respond to some events.

We might consider using a graphic object at the back of the drawing pane 
to catch such messages, and with the cantSelect property settable so 
that the object will always behave as though the browse tool is active 
that will indeed get the message.  But the downside is that it then 
prevents drag-selecting around objects with a marquee.

Another challenge is not being able to interactively create controls 
within groups.  If your app provides a way for a user to add a shape, 
you must use drag-and-drop to do so (trapping mouseMove to compensate 
for the absence of dragEnter, as noted above), because there's currently 
no tool mode specific to groups.
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=623>

Alternatively you could let the user create the control above the group 
and copy it into the group on newGraphic, newButton, etc., but if the 
new control overlaps the scrollbar it just looks wonky.

Another benefit to having tool modes being specific to groups is that 
you could then easily have a single window with multiple panes in which 
some of those panes are tools and others are the drawing region.  This 
is as common in modern apps as using palettes for tools has been 
historically, and in Rev can only be done if you set the 
selectGroupedControls of every object outside of your drawing pane to 
true (and also suspend the IDE when you're working on such things, as 
most mouse messages are trapped by the IDE when the pointer tool is active).

Scaling the drawing region can be done in script, but is very cumbersome 
and error-prone.  A strong nice-to-have would be the ability to scale 
the display of stacks and groups:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6589>


All that said, Rev 3.5's new behaviors, and group-specific messages and 
properties, took the engine a giant leap forward for making drawing apps.

With a few more enhancements to messaging there's almost no end to what 
can be crafted in Rev, but at least we no longer need to emulate the 
pointer tool with the browse tool for every such app; there are at least 
useful workarounds which may be cumbersome but far less effort than 
emulating pointer tool behaviors.

Useful visits to the Dictionary for folks making drawing apps:

- behavior object property
- boundingRect group property
- cantSelect object property
- clone command
- copy <obj> to <dest> command
- editmode graphic property
- newTool message
- selectGroupedControls group and global property
- tool global property


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep  9 13:39:04 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:39:04 +0100
Subject: [REQUEST] Survey on future projects and feedback on RunRevLive 2009
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909091039y4c9474fct62ff3c7346defd7a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi There folks,
in an everlasting effort to produce better and more interesting things, I've
put up an online survey where I request feedback (anonymous) on my
RunRevLive 2009 sessions and also try to measure the interest in future
endeavours. Even if you did not go to RunRevLive, please be kind and answer
the survey, for those that complete the survey, I will give a link to the
best comic ever! (ok this is cheap, but hey, it's only 5 minutes or less if
you click randomly)

http://wecode.org/feedback

And remember, it is an anonymous survey, no info is kept on who you are, so
feel free to speak your mind.
:D

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  9 13:43:58 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:43:58 -0700
Subject: Scripting approach for a splittable window?
Message-ID: <4AA7E95E.5060608@fourthworld.com>

After my long-winded rant I felt I at least owed it to David to answer 
his original question -

David Epstein wrote:
> Has anybody tried to build a scrollable, horizontally and vertically  
> splittable window interface that allows a user to create and freely  
> add, delete, and edit graphic objects or fields in any pane of the  
> window?

There are a good many ways to do this, but hopefully this example will 
be at least a little helpful:

   go url "http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/splitter-experiment.rev"

It's a very rudimentary four-pane layout I threw together in just a 
couple minutes for you, so it's missing a lot of the finishing touches 
like cursor changes, resize limits, etc., but may help you get started 
working with multi-pane layouts.

With the Dictionary pointers at the end of my long message earlier, you 
should be able to add support for adding and manipulating objects within 
those groups.

Keep us posted on how it works out.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Sep  9 14:34:18 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:34:18 -1000
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected
	with	'answer	folder'
In-Reply-To: <7AEDEE2A-4B0A-4D67-A526-5C8281D1B5F8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>	<000001ca30fc$89807730$9c816590$@com>	<E27D0805-4BFA-4126-BF7E-034372D9F436@mangomultimedia.com>
	<7AEDEE2A-4B0A-4D67-A526-5C8281D1B5F8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca317c$24d0cd50$6e7267f0$@com>

Hi Trevor,

> Another update -
> 
> After further discussions with the customer it turns out that he can
> create folders/files directly within the share.
> 
> On my setup I can't create folders or copy files directly to the
> share, I have to work on a folder inside the share. That behavior is
> probably related to how VMWare set the share up though.
> 
> So it appears that 'there is a folder' is just not seeing shares as
> folders when they should be. I think I'm going to file a bug report.

I think you are dealing with a couple things here. I did remember correctly
that there was a difference between "there is a folder" and "there is a
file" across network shares. So for example, this works where you select a
file like *//computerName/folderName/filename* You will get true:

ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
    put empty into fld "fldResult"
    answer file "Select a network file"
    CheckFile it
END mouseUp

ON CheckFile pFile
    put "The selected file is:" && pFile & cr after fld "fldResult"
    put "There is such a file:" && (there is a file pFile) & cr & cr after
fld "fldResult"
END CheckFile

This does not work as expected:

ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
    put empty into fld "fldResult"
    answer folder "Select a network folder"
    CheckFolder it
    replace slash WITH backslash in it
    CheckFolder it
END mouseUp

ON CheckFolder pFolder
    put "The selected folder is:" && pFolder & cr after fld "fldResult"
    put "There is such a folder:" && (there is a folder pFolder) & cr & cr
after fld "fldResult"
END CheckFolder

I thought I had gotten it to work before by changing the slash but as you
can see I just tested and it is false in both cases. There is a work around,
I just can't remember it. ;-)

Now as to writing files to a network share. This does work:

ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
    put fld "fldResult" into URL ("file:" &
"//computerName/folderName/AATest.txt")
END mouseUp

The reason why it may not be working for you is you need to check the share
property on the shared folder itself and go to Advanced button and then
Permission and make sure it is allowing Full Control. Otherwise you have
only read permissions, which is the default.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini








From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 15:50:55 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:50:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RunRevLive09] Ticket Example Application
Message-ID: <260786.70154.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,

Finally wrapped up a few loose ends and uploaded the slides and example code for my sessions on 'Desktop Databases with SQLite' and 'Basic Reporting and Output'
You can download the zip archive here: <http://www.quartam.com/downloads/tea.zip>

Remember that this is example code and thus by its very nature incomplete and often weak on error checking. But I hope you'll learn something out of it anyway.

Enjoy!

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Wed Sep  9 15:53:46 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:53:46 -0400
Subject: Weird email sending rejection from on-rev using Sarah's library
Message-ID: <4072D993-D5F4-484F-A515-37B7E60594F1@luceatlux.com>

I'm using Sarah Reichelt's SMTP library, which has worked well for me  
for many years (thanks, Sarah!).  I'm now asking it to send mail via  
one of my on-rev email addresses (I use on-rev to host my  
luceatlux.com domain):
	Email address gbrackett at luceatlux.com
	Username: (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
	SMTP server: mail.luceatlux.com with Authentication checked
	Password (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)

Using Sarah's latest stack, downloaded today, and attempting to send a  
single email titled "Test" with message "This is a test of Sarah's  
current library." I get an alert "Connection error: NotAuthenticated"  
with the following log:

220-odin.on-rev.com ESMTP Exim 4.69 #1 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:28:03 -0500
-> EHLO 172.16.1.7
220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited,
220 and/or bulk e-mail.
-> QUIT
250-odin.on-rev.com Hello pool-96-233-30-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net  
[96.233.30.16]
250-SIZE 52428800
250-PIPELINING
250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
250-STARTTLS
250 HELP
->

Any ideas why this might happen?  As I say, Apple mail has no  
difficulty with these parameters. Maybe there's a hint in the log?   
Why does it mention bulk mail?

George



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 16:27:40 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:27:40 +1000
Subject: Weird email sending rejection from on-rev using Sarah's library
In-Reply-To: <4072D993-D5F4-484F-A515-37B7E60594F1@luceatlux.com>
References: <4072D993-D5F4-484F-A515-37B7E60594F1@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909091327s6374960foe52a7180587bd070@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:53 AM, George C
Brackett<gbrackett at luceatlux.com> wrote:
> I'm using Sarah Reichelt's SMTP library, which has worked well for me for
> many years (thanks, Sarah!). ?I'm now asking it to send mail via one of my
> on-rev email addresses (I use on-rev to host my luceatlux.com domain):
> ? ? ? ?Email address gbrackett at luceatlux.com
> ? ? ? ?Username: (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
> ? ? ? ?SMTP server: mail.luceatlux.com with Authentication checked
> ? ? ? ?Password (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
>
> Using Sarah's latest stack, downloaded today, and attempting to send a
> single email titled "Test" with message "This is a test of Sarah's current
> library." I get an alert "Connection error: NotAuthenticated" with the
> following log:
>
> 220-odin.on-rev.com ESMTP Exim 4.69 #1 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:28:03 -0500
> -> EHLO 172.16.1.7
> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited,
> 220 and/or bulk e-mail.
> -> QUIT
> 250-odin.on-rev.com Hello pool-96-233-30-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net
> [96.233.30.16]
> 250-SIZE 52428800
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
> 250-STARTTLS
> 250 HELP
> ->
>
> Any ideas why this might happen? ?As I say, Apple mail has no difficulty
> with these parameters. Maybe there's a hint in the log? ?Why does it mention
> bulk mail?


Sorry George, it won't work. My library uses port 25 for standard SMTP.
On-Rev uses port 465 (I think) and SSL to connect.
I never worked out the SSL connection details, but maybe I should take
a look and see if it is possible.

In the meantime, you could use an irev script to send emails using the
mail shell command.

Cheers,
Sarah


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Wed Sep  9 16:38:37 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:38:37 -0400
Subject: Weird email sending rejection from on-rev using Sarah's library
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909091327s6374960foe52a7180587bd070@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4072D993-D5F4-484F-A515-37B7E60594F1@luceatlux.com>
	<f99b52860909091327s6374960foe52a7180587bd070@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBF11570-1C41-4AC5-B0DC-517EEF34D763@luceatlux.com>

No problem, Sarah -- you never promised us a rose garden!  Having  
explored your code for ideas, I remain VERY grateful!

As it happens, I tried sending from your stack WITHOUT authentication  
and, what do you know, it sent!  Changing Apple Mail preferences the  
same way gives the same results.  Now I don't know what's going to  
happen when I try to send a lot of emails, but we'll find out.  The  
program I'm working with sends results of student behavior to students  
and families in bursts of 20 at a time, with a pause between.  I'll  
let you know whether this works.

George

On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:53 AM, George C
Brackett<gbrackett at luceatlux.com> wrote:
> I'm using Sarah Reichelt's SMTP library, which has worked well for  
> me for
> many years (thanks, Sarah!).  I'm now asking it to send mail via one  
> of my
> on-rev email addresses (I use on-rev to host my luceatlux.com domain):
>        Email address gbrackett at luceatlux.com
>        Username: (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
>        SMTP server: mail.luceatlux.com with Authentication checked
>        Password (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
>
> Using Sarah's latest stack, downloaded today, and attempting to send a
> single email titled "Test" with message "This is a test of Sarah's  
> current
> library." I get an alert "Connection error: NotAuthenticated" with the
> following log:
>
> 220-odin.on-rev.com ESMTP Exim 4.69 #1 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:28:03 -0500
> -> EHLO 172.16.1.7
> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport  
> unsolicited,
> 220 and/or bulk e-mail.
> -> QUIT
> 250-odin.on-rev.com Hello pool-96-233-30-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net
> [96.233.30.16]
> 250-SIZE 52428800
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
> 250-STARTTLS
> 250 HELP
> ->
>
> Any ideas why this might happen?  As I say, Apple mail has no  
> difficulty
> with these parameters. Maybe there's a hint in the log?  Why does it  
> mention
> bulk mail?


Sorry George, it won't work. My library uses port 25 for standard SMTP.
On-Rev uses port 465 (I think) and SSL to connect.
I never worked out the SSL connection details, but maybe I should take
a look and see if it is possible.

In the meantime, you could use an irev script to send emails using the
mail shell command.

Cheers,
Sarah
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Wed Sep  9 17:03:15 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:03:15 -0400
Subject: Weird email sending rejection from on-rev using Sarah's library
In-Reply-To: <BBF11570-1C41-4AC5-B0DC-517EEF34D763@luceatlux.com>
References: <4072D993-D5F4-484F-A515-37B7E60594F1@luceatlux.com>
	<f99b52860909091327s6374960foe52a7180587bd070@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBF11570-1C41-4AC5-B0DC-517EEF34D763@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <9E2FA1ED-4358-411F-A9A9-DB743B5866E6@luceatlux.com>

All is well: multiple emails in groups of 20 go through just fine  
without authentication.  Thanks again, Sarah!

George

On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:38 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

No problem, Sarah -- you never promised us a rose garden!  Having  
explored your code for ideas, I remain VERY grateful!

As it happens, I tried sending from your stack WITHOUT authentication  
and, what do you know, it sent!  Changing Apple Mail preferences the  
same way gives the same results.  Now I don't know what's going to  
happen when I try to send a lot of emails, but we'll find out.  The  
program I'm working with sends results of student behavior to students  
and families in bursts of 20 at a time, with a pause between.  I'll  
let you know whether this works.

George

On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:53 AM, George C
Brackett<gbrackett at luceatlux.com> wrote:
> I'm using Sarah Reichelt's SMTP library, which has worked well for  
> me for
> many years (thanks, Sarah!).  I'm now asking it to send mail via one  
> of my
> on-rev email addresses (I use on-rev to host my luceatlux.com domain):
>       Email address gbrackett at luceatlux.com
>       Username: (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
>       SMTP server: mail.luceatlux.com with Authentication checked
>       Password (correct - Apple mail uses the same one)
>
> Using Sarah's latest stack, downloaded today, and attempting to send a
> single email titled "Test" with message "This is a test of Sarah's  
> current
> library." I get an alert "Connection error: NotAuthenticated" with the
> following log:
>
> 220-odin.on-rev.com ESMTP Exim 4.69 #1 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:28:03 -0500
> -> EHLO 172.16.1.7
> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport  
> unsolicited,
> 220 and/or bulk e-mail.
> -> QUIT
> 250-odin.on-rev.com Hello pool-96-233-30-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net
> [96.233.30.16]
> 250-SIZE 52428800
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
> 250-STARTTLS
> 250 HELP
> ->
>
> Any ideas why this might happen?  As I say, Apple mail has no  
> difficulty
> with these parameters. Maybe there's a hint in the log?  Why does it  
> mention
> bulk mail?


Sorry George, it won't work. My library uses port 25 for standard SMTP.
On-Rev uses port 465 (I think) and SSL to connect.
I never worked out the SSL connection details, but maybe I should take
a look and see if it is possible.

In the meantime, you could use an irev script to send emails using the
mail shell command.

Cheers,
Sarah
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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 17:54:01 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop stacks
In-Reply-To: <8B7D201E-311E-4767-A77D-30CBF5BFC7A5@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8B7D201E-311E-4767-A77D-30CBF5BFC7A5@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <25373791.post@talk.nabble.com>




James Hurley wrote:
> 
> On the Mac there has been a longstanding problem in using repeat loops  
> to control the movement of screen objects. It is necessary to insert a  
> forced screen refresh every time through the loop on the desktop. That  
> problem goes away on the Web. A screen refresh is no longer needed.
> 
> The stack I wrote is very busy, lots of factors to vary in order to  
> compare all the possibilities. If you have the courage you  can  
> compare these things for yourself  on the desktop using the stack:
> 
>     go url "http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevGraphicTimer.rev"
> 
> And on the Web, go to
> 
>      http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevTimer/test.html
> 
> The stack is a little busy. Jim Hurley
> 
> (P.S. On the third card of the stack above I added is a simulation of  
> planetary motion. The speed is fine on the desktop and the motion is  
> very smooth,  but it is WAY too speedy on the Web. I didn't include  
> any accommodation for the speed change on the Web. A good example of  
> the need to do so.
> 
> 
For comparison, I tried some examples on Windows (XP, Rev Enterprise
4.0-dp-4, Internet Explorer 8) and got identical* results on the desktop
stack as with the revlet.
*OK, I got the range 727, 728 or 729 milliseconds consistently when choosing
90 points in the circle and 7 milliseconds on the delay slider.
-- 
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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 17:55:39 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop stacks
In-Reply-To: <25373791.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <8B7D201E-311E-4767-A77D-30CBF5BFC7A5@sbcglobal.net>
	<25373791.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25373806.post@talk.nabble.com>




SparkOut wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> James Hurley wrote:
>> 
>> On the Mac there has been a longstanding problem in using repeat loops  
>> to control the movement of screen objects. It is necessary to insert a  
>> forced screen refresh every time through the loop on the desktop. That  
>> problem goes away on the Web. A screen refresh is no longer needed.
>> 
>> The stack I wrote is very busy, lots of factors to vary in order to  
>> compare all the possibilities. If you have the courage you  can  
>> compare these things for yourself  on the desktop using the stack:
>> 
>>     go url "http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevGraphicTimer.rev"
>> 
>> And on the Web, go to
>> 
>>      http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevTimer/test.html
>> 
>> The stack is a little busy. Jim Hurley
>> 
>> (P.S. On the third card of the stack above I added is a simulation of  
>> planetary motion. The speed is fine on the desktop and the motion is  
>> very smooth,  but it is WAY too speedy on the Web. I didn't include  
>> any accommodation for the speed change on the Web. A good example of  
>> the need to do so.
>> 
>> 
> For comparison, I tried some examples on Windows (XP, Rev Enterprise
> 4.0-dp-4, Internet Explorer 8) and got identical* results on the desktop
> stack as with the revlet.
> *OK, I got the range 727, 728 or 729 milliseconds consistently when
> choosing 90 points in the circle and 7 milliseconds on the delay slider.
> 
And I meant to say, the blue planet spinning round the sun was high speed to
the point of stroboscopic inability to see where it was at any given point -
both on the web revlet and the desktop stack.
-- 
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From lists at futilism.com  Wed Sep  9 18:06:54 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 23:06:54 +0100
Subject: [ANN} updates to libs
Message-ID: <B3EF2911-E227-4D3F-BDB7-3B88D853BFFD@futilism.com>

I've updated libHash-Hmac to 2.3 - it now includes three crc  
functions: crc-32, crc-16, and crc-ccitt.

Also, imed-edition (crazy name, crazy guy :-) has found problems with  
diacritc chars in libJson, and gave me solutions (thanks!), so  
libJson is updated to 1.0.4b.

Both can be found here:

http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html

Best,

Mark Smith


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Sep  9 21:13:09 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I had been wondering the same thing as Ron... Thanks for further info, 
Sarah; I, too, will be following this :-)

Judy

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I hadn't thought of using revlets in the place of forms but it is an
> interesting thought.
> Currently, we have html forms and the data they send can easily be
> processed using irev scripts.
> If you had a revlet acting as the form, there seem to be two ways it
> could handle the submitted data. Either it could "POST" it all off to
> a .irev file exactly or all the processing could be done in the revlet
> itself, with any emails generated (using the mail shell command) and
> data saved.
>
> Obviously, for us Rev people, the idea of constructing a form in Rev
> is much easier than constructing it as HTML, but it does limit your
> form fillers to people prepared to install the plugin.
>
> Anyway, it's definitely worth trying and I would love to hear how you
> get on with it.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Sep  9 21:20:06 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (OT) IT Culture
In-Reply-To: <9E2FA1ED-4358-411F-A9A9-DB743B5866E6@luceatlux.com>
References: <4072D993-D5F4-484F-A515-37B7E60594F1@luceatlux.com>
	<f99b52860909091327s6374960foe52a7180587bd070@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBF11570-1C41-4AC5-B0DC-517EEF34D763@luceatlux.com>
	<9E2FA1ED-4358-411F-A9A9-DB743B5866E6@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091814580.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hello,

A fellow Rev user found this article interesting and asked that I repost 
the URL here.

Quick summarizing quotation:

"While everyone would like to work for a nice person who is always right, 
IT pros will prefer a jerk who is always right over a nice person who is 
always wrong."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137708/Opinion_The_unspoken_truth_about_managing_geeks?taxonomyId=14&pageNumber=2

Judy



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep  9 21:37:34 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:37:34 -0400
Subject: There is a folder returns 'false' for folder selected
	with	'answer	folder'
In-Reply-To: <000001ca317c$24d0cd50$6e7267f0$@com>
References: <63A536DC-F020-43EF-B13B-2377E09DC61E@mangomultimedia.com>	<000001ca30fc$89807730$9c816590$@com>	<E27D0805-4BFA-4126-BF7E-034372D9F436@mangomultimedia.com>
	<7AEDEE2A-4B0A-4D67-A526-5C8281D1B5F8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<000001ca317c$24d0cd50$6e7267f0$@com>
Message-ID: <1481681B-DB60-48F3-BD34-69D9973017E8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> I think you are dealing with a couple things here. I did remember  
> correctly
> that there was a difference between "there is a folder" and "there  
> is a
> file" across network shares. So for example, this works where you  
> select a
> file like *//computerName/folderName/filename* You will get true:
>
> ...
>
> I thought I had gotten it to work before by changing the slash but  
> as you
> can see I just tested and it is false in both cases. There is a work  
> around,
> I just can't remember it. ;-)

Having the user map the network drive is one workaround, although not  
an ideal one.

> ...
> The reason why it may not be working for you is you need to check  
> the share
> property on the shared folder itself and go to Advanced button and  
> then
> Permission and make sure it is allowing Full Control. Otherwise you  
> have
> only read permissions, which is the default.

Right. We got the file writing issue worked out. It was a red herring  
and was related to the fact that 'there is a folder' wasn't working  
properly. Thanks for the additional info Jim.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Sep  9 23:20:55 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:20:55 -0400
Subject: iRev list of commands available
Message-ID: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>

Where is there a list of iRev commands available?

I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and  
would like to know what else is not available.

Thanks

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html








From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 10 05:03:35 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:03:35 +0100
Subject: iRev list of commands available
In-Reply-To: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>
References: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0CF5FB17-BE88-461F-9A55-44D0E618E29B@azurevision.co.uk>


On 10 Sep 2009, at 04:20, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Where is there a list of iRev commands available?

I'm not sure there is one at this point. :-(

> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error

Of the ones that make sense to not be there, that's one of them - the  
server probably doesn't have a speaker anyway... ;-)

Remember that (like PHP), anything in a <?rev> tag is executing on the  
server - all the browser on the local computer gets is the resulting  
HTML file. Speech might work from a Revlet, though.

Ian



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 10 05:26:01 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:26:01 +0100
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I hadn't thought of using revlets in the place of forms but it is an
> interesting thought.
> Currently, we have html forms and the data they send can easily be
> processed using irev scripts.
> If you had a revlet acting as the form, there seem to be two ways it
> could handle the submitted data. Either it could "POST" it all off to
> a .irev file exactly or all the processing could be done in the revlet
> itself, with any emails generated (using the mail shell command) and
> data saved.

The vote polling example on the on-rev site does this. It displays a 
revlet inside an iRev page and posts the response back to the same iRev 
page. Works very well.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 10 05:33:09 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:33:09 +0100
Subject: iRev list of commands available
In-Reply-To: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>
References: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AA8C7D5.1040408@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Where is there a list of iRev commands available?
> 
> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and 
> would like to know what else is not available.

Virtually everything is available, with the added bonus of a few new 
terms listed in the change log. IRev scripts can contain plain lists of 
commands without any handler declarations, or alternately the commands 
can be enclosed in formal ("on" or "command") handler declarations. If 
your commands are not inside a formal handler declaration, then you will 
get the error message you saw. Additionally, the server compiles revTalk 
from top to bottom. Unlike stack scripts where handlers can go anywhere 
in the message hierarchy, you can't place a handler anywhere you like on 
the page -- it must be declared before any other command makes use of 
it. It's easiest to place most handlers above the html code at the top 
of the page, just to make sure they are processed before any other line 
of script needs them. This isn't necessary though, just make sure 
handlers occur before any other line of script that needs to use them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 10 05:35:47 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:35:47 +0100
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <BC5F68E6-6313-4FB4-936D-F7B3CB712DB4@mac.com>
References: <BC5F68E6-6313-4FB4-936D-F7B3CB712DB4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AA8C873.9000506@hyperactivesw.com>

J?r?me Rosat wrote:
> I need to print a series of numbers on a network printer, one number on 
> each page, until there is no more page in the paper tray of the printer. 
> Then, I must be able to reload pages and the printing begins again with 
> the last number printed + 1.
> 
> Is it possible to do that with Revolution ? I think I need to 
> "communicated" with the printer and "listen" to know if the paper tray 
> is empty.

I think it is simpler than that. The printer will cache the print job 
and if the paper runs out, it will wait until you reload the paper tray 
and continue printing where it left off. So I think all you need to do 
is create a print layout and a repeat loop that prints a number and a 
page break, and then send the whole job to the printer at once.

For example, if you need 1000 numbers:

repeat with x = 1 to 1000
  put x into fld "numberFld" of card "printLayout"
  print cd "printLayout"
  print break
end repeat

I think that should work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From runrevron at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 09:14:31 2009
From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:14:31 +0900
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>

Thanks for your comments Sarah, Robert, Jacque and, as usual, to Kenji  
for his examples.

I thought I would put up a page with some random examples of how such  
things might be accomplished but got stuck on the sending mail. I have  
used examples from Sarah's site for another application on my own site  
but I thought I could put something like this in a button and have it  
work. This fails. Any hints?


  get shell("echo -e" && "mymessage" && "| mail -s" && "thesubject" &&  
"mymail at gmail.com" && "-- -f" && "mymail at gmail.com"


Thanks
Ron


BTW - revspeaks works on my test page simply using the script from the  
Documents example scripts. I hope to post the page soon once I get  
this mail thing worked out.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> I had been wondering the same thing as Ron... Thanks for further  
> info, Sarah; I, too, will be following this :-)
>
> Judy
>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> I hadn't thought of using revlets in the place of forms but it is an
>> interesting thought.
>> Currently, we have html forms and the data they send can easily be
>> processed using irev scripts.
>> If you had a revlet acting as the form, there seem to be two ways it
>> could handle the submitted data. Either it could "POST" it all off to
>> a .irev file exactly or all the processing could be done in the  
>> revlet
>> itself, with any emails generated (using the mail shell command) and
>> data saved.
>>
>> Obviously, for us Rev people, the idea of constructing a form in Rev
>> is much easier than constructing it as HTML, but it does limit your
>> form fillers to people prepared to install the plugin.
>>
>> Anyway, it's definitely worth trying and I would love to hear how you
>> get on with it.
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From runrevron at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 09:45:47 2009
From: runrevron at gmail.com (ron barber)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:45:47 +0900
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5825034a0909100645p391195dap70c767f390d243f4@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your comments Sarah, Robert, Jacque and, as usual, to Kenji
for his examples.

I thought I would put up a page with some random examples of how such
things might be accomplished but got stuck on the sending mail. I have
used examples from Sarah's site for another application on my own site
but I thought I could put something like this in a button and have it
work. This fails. Any hints?


get shell("echo -e" && "mymessage" && "| mail -s" && "thesubject" &&
"mymail at gmail.com" && "-- -f" && "mymail at gmail.com"


Thanks
Ron


BTW - revspeaks works on my test page simply using the script from the
Documents example scripts. I hope to post the page soon once I get
this mail thing worked out.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

I had been wondering the same thing as Ron... Thanks for further info,
Sarah; I, too, will be following this :-)

Judy


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> I hadn't thought of using revlets in the place of forms but it is an
>> interesting thought.
>> Currently, we have html forms and the data they send can easily be
>> processed using irev scripts.
>> If you had a revlet acting as the form, there seem to be two ways it
>> could handle the submitted data. Either it could "POST" it all off to
>> a .irev file exactly or all the processing could be done in the revlet
>> itself, with any emails generated (using the mail shell command) and
>> data saved.
>
> The vote polling example on the on-rev site does this. It displays a revlet
> inside an iRev page and posts the response back to the same iRev page. Works
> very well.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 10 10:47:19 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:47:19 +0200
Subject: New version of TwistAWord available
Message-ID: <F023682C-542B-48C5-A007-B37850EA7C64@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

Economy-x-Talk has published a new version of the word game  
TwistAWord. We have received a lot of feedback on the previous release  
and have created a list of the most important comments and feature  
requests. This new release contains 11 important improvements that  
contribute greatly to a fun and slick game-play.

You can find the latest version of TwistAWord at <http://www.twistaword.net 
 >. This is a free update.

If you have any additional comments, please let me know. TwistAWord  
was made with Revolution.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com



From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Thu Sep 10 11:12:59 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:12:59 +0200
Subject: Is there any way to create an image (screenphoto) of a card in
	rev
In-Reply-To: <20090909105940.B782C48ABC8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090909105940.B782C48ABC8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0852F66C-8E1E-45AB-AB32-BCC10C074CC7@macbay.de>

Hi Mark,

> snapShot

Now I know where to look for it.

Thanks a lot
Reinhold


Am 09.09.2009 um 12:59 schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

> This is one way:
>
> export snapshot from rect (the rect of this card) of this card to
> myVar as PNG
> set the text of img 1 to myVar
>
> or:
>
> import snapShot from rect (the rect of this card) of this card
> put it into myImageName
> -- set rect and loc etc
>
> Read in the docs about import snapshot and export snapwhot for more
> possibilties.



From rman at free.fr  Thu Sep 10 11:39:08 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
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I thought the polling example read results from a file on the server ??? 

And I had taken out of my mind the solution outlined by splash21 because it
causes a delay, its not immediate. It's all there :
http://www.nabble.com/-weblet--How-can-a-webLet-communicate-with-the-hosting-html-page--td24339664.html#a24654055



> The vote polling example on the on-rev site does this. It displays a 
> revlet inside an iRev page and posts the response back to the same iRev 
> page. Works very well.
> 
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From cszasz at mac.com  Thu Sep 10 12:09:25 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
Message-ID: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>


I thought this would be easy but it is not! I want to change the format of
the date inserted in a field of an application by CalendarWidget100 to a
different format. For example, change 2009,9,10 to Sept 10, 2009. 

I was able to change the sequence of the date format from 2009,9,10 to
9,10,2009 but changing the month from 9 to name of the month (Sept) is more
complicated! Does anybody have any suggestions?
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 10 12:31:14 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:31:14 -0700
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61330387921.20090910093114@ahsoftware.net>

Ron-

Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:14:31 AM, you wrote:

> work. This fails. Any hints?

>   get shell("echo -e" && "mymessage" && "| mail -s" && "thesubject" &&
> "mymail at gmail.com" && "-- -f" && "mymail at gmail.com"

Here's what I do:

get shell("mail -s" \
    && quote & tSubject & quote \
    && tEmailAddress \
    && "-- -f" & tContactEmail \
    && "<" && tTempFile)

where tSubject is a var containing the subject line
tEmailAddress is the "To:" address
tContactEmail is the "From:" address
and tTempFile is a text file containing the body text.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lists at futilism.com  Thu Sep 10 12:49:43 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:49:43 +0100
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A8F5F084-1DCC-4D6F-8AF4-94AD67AA1D3B@futilism.com>

Charles, if tDate is 2009,9,10 - try something like this:

put  line (item 2 of tDate) of the monthnames &&  item 3 of tDate &&  
item 1 of tDate into tNewDate

Best,

Mark Smith

On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:09, Charles Szasz wrote:

>
> I thought this would be easy but it is not! I want to change the  
> format of
> the date inserted in a field of an application by CalendarWidget100  
> to a
> different format. For example, change 2009,9,10 to Sept 10, 2009.
>
> I was able to change the sequence of the date format from 2009,9,10 to
> 9,10,2009 but changing the month from 9 to name of the month (Sept)  
> is more
> complicated! Does anybody have any suggestions?
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Changing-date- 
> format-in-CalendarWidget100-tp25385854p25385854.html
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Sep 10 13:24:29 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:24:29 -0600
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <52EFC2F6-24B3-4680-9262-40137D7EAFE3@byu.edu>

Charles,
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Charles Szasz wrote:

>
> I thought this would be easy but it is not! I want to change the  
> format of
> the date inserted in a field of an application by CalendarWidget100  
> to a
> different format. For example, change 2009,9,10 to Sept 10, 2009.
>
> I was able to change the sequence of the date format from 2009,9,10 to
> 9,10,2009 but changing the month from 9 to name of the month (Sept)  
> is more
> complicated! Does anybody have any suggestions?

You're best off just using the convert command. So if what you're  
getting from CalendarWidget is 2009,9,10, just do something like:

   --assume you put the date from the calendar widget into a variable  
tDate
   put tDate & 0,0,0,0 into tDate -- pad out with zeros to get a  
complete set of date items
   convert tDate to abbreviated date --> it should come out as Thu,  
Sep 10, 2009

Hope this helps.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Sep 10 13:26:38 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:26:38 -0600
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <52EFC2F6-24B3-4680-9262-40137D7EAFE3@byu.edu>
References: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<52EFC2F6-24B3-4680-9262-40137D7EAFE3@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <F7AB1CE4-8A27-49DF-BA38-1A1768F5B40A@byu.edu>


On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>   put tDate & 0,0,0,0 into tDate --

Oops! This should be

   put tDate,0,0,0,0 into tDate

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Sep 10 14:18:29 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:18:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: iRev list of commands available
In-Reply-To: <4AA8C7D5.1040408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>
	<4AA8C7D5.1040408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909101117030.6947@ecs.fullerton.edu>

What about cursor changes?  That seemed to not work in a revlet for me... 
Was that in a "don't do this" that I missed?

Judy

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> Where is there a list of iRev commands available?
>> 
>> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and would 
>> like to know what else is not available.
>
> Virtually everything is available,


> though, just make sure handlers occur before any other line of script that 
> needs to use them.
>
> -- 
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From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 10 14:37:41 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:37:41 -0700
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop 	stacks
In-Reply-To: <20090910170004.3E8A648ABD2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090910170004.3E8A648ABD2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04BCC04F-72F6-4A08-B7FA-19EDB69BDE7D@sbcglobal.net>

>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: SparkOut <SparkOutYNY at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop
> 	stacks
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <25373791.post at talk.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> James Hurley wrote:
>>
>> On the Mac there has been a longstanding problem in using repeat  
>> loops
>> to control the movement of screen objects. It is necessary to  
>> insert a
>> forced screen refresh every time through the loop on the desktop.  
>> That
>> problem goes away on the Web. A screen refresh is no longer needed.
>>
>> The stack I wrote is very busy, lots of factors to vary in order to
>> compare all the possibilities. If you have the courage you  can
>> compare these things for yourself  on the desktop using the stack:
>>
>>    go url "http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevGraphicTimer.rev"
>>
>> And on the Web, go to
>>
>>     http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevTimer/test.html
>>
>> The stack is a little busy. Jim Hurley
>>
>> (P.S. On the third card of the stack above I added is a simulation of
>> planetary motion. The speed is fine on the desktop and the motion is
>> very smooth,  but it is WAY too speedy on the Web. I didn't include
>> any accommodation for the speed change on the Web. A good example of
>> the need to do so.
>>
>>
> For comparison, I tried some examples on Windows (XP, Rev Enterprise
> 4.0-dp-4, Internet Explorer 8) and got identical* results on the  
> desktop
> stack as with the revlet.
> *OK, I got the range 727, 728 or 729 milliseconds consistently when  
> choosing
> 90 points in the circle and 7 milliseconds on the delay slider.
> -- 
> And I meant to say, the blue planet spinning round the sun was high  
> speed to
> the point of stroboscopic inability to see where it was at any given  
> point -
> both on the web revlet and the desktop stack.
> -- 


SparkOut,

Thanks for the feedback. I knew that the Rev took a hit on the Mac in  
these kinds of applications, but I didn't realize it was this bad.

That make the PC roughly twice as fast as the Mac. Makes it difficult  
to develop cross platform.

Jim Hurley





From jrosat at mac.com  Thu Sep 10 15:24:02 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:24:02 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <4AA8C873.9000506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BC5F68E6-6313-4FB4-936D-F7B3CB712DB4@mac.com>
	<4AA8C873.9000506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E61E1F63-92E5-415E-BAB5-E1BD4790FCDC@mac.com>

Thanks Jacqueline for your answer.

I thought of that. But the series start to 1 the first day of the year  
and finish the last day of the year. I cannot know in advance the  
number of documents to be printed. And I don't want to count manually  
pages before to put them in the printer. So, I need to know when the  
printer stop to print when there is no more page in the paper tray.


Le 10 sept. 2009 ? 11:35, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>> I need to print a series of numbers on a network printer, one  
>> number on each page, until there is no more page in the paper tray  
>> of the printer. Then, I must be able to reload pages and the  
>> printing begins again with the last number printed + 1.
>> Is it possible to do that with Revolution ? I think I need to  
>> "communicated" with the printer and "listen" to know if the paper  
>> tray is empty.
>
> I think it is simpler than that. The printer will cache the print  
> job and if the paper runs out, it will wait until you reload the  
> paper tray and continue printing where it left off. So I think all  
> you need to do is create a print layout and a repeat loop that  
> prints a number and a page break, and then send the whole job to the  
> printer at once.
>
> For example, if you need 1000 numbers:
>
> repeat with x = 1 to 1000
> put x into fld "numberFld" of card "printLayout"
> print cd "printLayout"
> print break
> end repeat
>
> I think that should work.
>
> -- 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Sep 10 15:39:22 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:39:22 EDT
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
Message-ID: <cba.3ec54ae2.37daafea@aol.com>

Tough one. He needs:

repeat until the paperTray is empty

As a workaround, let's say you knew that the maximum number of sheets that 
your printer could hold is 250. Why not print in batches of 200, say, with 
Rev stopping at that number. In this way you would not use an empty tray as 
the batch indicator, but rather the fact that you had reached 200 sheets, 
where Rev would tell you that you needed to move to the next batch. You refill 
the paper tray, and continue forever.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/10/09 3:24:23 PM, jrosat at mac.com writes:


> 
> I thought of that. But the series start to 1 the first day of the year?
> and finish the last day of the year. I cannot know in advance the?
> number of documents to be printed. And I don't want to count manually?
> pages before to put them in the printer. So, I need to know when the?
> printer stop to print when there is no more page in the paper tray.
> 



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Sep 10 15:53:30 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop 	stacks
In-Reply-To: <04BCC04F-72F6-4A08-B7FA-19EDB69BDE7D@sbcglobal.net>
References: <04BCC04F-72F6-4A08-B7FA-19EDB69BDE7D@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <25389915.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jim,

one funny thing I noticed on the mac: if in your repeat loop you set the
wait to 0 millisecs on the slider the time goes down from 1500 millisecs to
630 millisecs, you can replace the wait with a "unlock screen" and you have
again around 630 millisecs. As soon as you wait even 1 millisecond you go up
to 1500 again. So there is more going on on the Mac then meets the eye. 
By contrast I did not manage to speed up the send in time handler, maybe
someone has an idea.

regards
Bernd


James Hurley wrote:
> 
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: SparkOut <SparkOutYNY at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop
>> 	stacks
>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Message-ID: <25373791.post at talk.nabble.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> James Hurley wrote:
>>>
>>> On the Mac there has been a longstanding problem in using repeat  
>>> loops
>>> to control the movement of screen objects. It is necessary to  
>>> insert a
>>> forced screen refresh every time through the loop on the desktop.  
>>> That
>>> problem goes away on the Web. A screen refresh is no longer needed.
>>>
>>> The stack I wrote is very busy, lots of factors to vary in order to
>>> compare all the possibilities. If you have the courage you  can
>>> compare these things for yourself  on the desktop using the stack:
>>>
>>>    go url "http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevGraphicTimer.rev"
>>>
>>> And on the Web, go to
>>>
>>>     http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevTimer/test.html
>>>
>>> The stack is a little busy. Jim Hurley
>>>
>>> (P.S. On the third card of the stack above I added is a simulation of
>>> planetary motion. The speed is fine on the desktop and the motion is
>>> very smooth,  but it is WAY too speedy on the Web. I didn't include
>>> any accommodation for the speed change on the Web. A good example of
>>> the need to do so.
>>>
>>>
>> For comparison, I tried some examples on Windows (XP, Rev Enterprise
>> 4.0-dp-4, Internet Explorer 8) and got identical* results on the  
>> desktop
>> stack as with the revlet.
>> *OK, I got the range 727, 728 or 729 milliseconds consistently when  
>> choosing
>> 90 points in the circle and 7 milliseconds on the delay slider.
>> -- 
>> And I meant to say, the blue planet spinning round the sun was high  
>> speed to
>> the point of stroboscopic inability to see where it was at any given  
>> point -
>> both on the web revlet and the desktop stack.
>> -- 
> 
> 
> SparkOut,
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I knew that the Rev took a hit on the Mac in  
> these kinds of applications, but I didn't realize it was this bad.
> 
> That make the PC roughly twice as fast as the Mac. Makes it difficult  
> to develop cross platform.
> 
> Jim Hurley
> 
> 
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Sep 10 15:56:30 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:56:30 -0400
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74D5EDBE-45C0-4ACA-973B-9C6F194E2836@mac.com>

Ron,

Is it possible to let me know when you get that revSpeak page up? I  
only tried revSpeak "Hello world" and I get a handler error. Is this  
in Safari/Firefox/IE on Mac or Windows or Linux?

Thanks

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Ron wrote:
>
> BTW - revspeaks works on my test page simply using the script from  
> the Documents example scripts. I hope to post the page soon once I  
> get this mail thing worked out.
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Sep 10 16:39:32 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <74D5EDBE-45C0-4ACA-973B-9C6F194E2836@mac.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>
	<74D5EDBE-45C0-4ACA-973B-9C6F194E2836@mac.com>
Message-ID: <25390587.post@talk.nabble.com>


Tom,
with Safari on a mac revspeak works.
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/helloWorld/
the script of the button is:
-----------
on mouseUp
   put field 1 into tSpeak
   if tSpeak is not empty then
      revspeak tSpeak
   else 
      put "nothing to say" into field 1
      revspeak field 1
   end if
end mouseUp
--------------
regards
Bernd


Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Is it possible to let me know when you get that revSpeak page up? I  
> only tried revSpeak "Hello world" and I get a handler error. Is this  
> in Safari/Firefox/IE on Mac or Windows or Linux?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Ron wrote:
>>
>> BTW - revspeaks works on my test page simply using the script from  
>> the Documents example scripts. I hope to post the page soon once I  
>> get this mail thing worked out.
> 

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 10 16:44:15 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:44:15 +0100
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <25385338.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>	<4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
	<25385338.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4AA9651F.6000604@hyperactivesw.com>

Robert Maniquant wrote:
> I thought the polling example read results from a file on the server ???

Yes, you're right, for the most part. I'd rewritten the poll stack as an 
iRev page for possible use in the conference teaching session and got 
myself confused between mine and the original.

The sample stack as it appears on RR's site doesn't directly read a text 
file itself. It loads a URL that consists of a plain iRev script. That 
script reads and writes to the text file, and returns the vote totals to 
the revlet. It isn't actually a POST event, so I misspoke.

I can't try it right now, but I don't see why a revlet couldn't post to 
its own containing irev page, and have that page process and display 
data. I'm still travelling right now and my internet access is limited, 
but when I get home I may try it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 10 16:49:11 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:49:11 +0100
Subject: iRev list of commands available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909101117030.6947@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <3683FDFA-1543-473E-9648-6BA99BF32B9E@mac.com>	<4AA8C7D5.1040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909101117030.6947@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4AA96647.2010105@hyperactivesw.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> What about cursor changes?  That seemed to not work in a revlet for 
> me... Was that in a "don't do this" that I missed?

Custom cursors in revlets do not work yet, but will before they go 
final. There are a few other things too, like visual effects, but they 
will be fixed.

Don't confuse iRev and Revlets; the first is server-side and the second 
is client-side. All the basic scripting commands should work in irev 
pages, though the hierarchy runs somewhat differently.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rman at free.fr  Thu Sep 10 19:01:36 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <4AA9651F.6000604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
	<25385338.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4AA9651F.6000604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <25392418.post@talk.nabble.com>


Yes you can.. but the whole revlet will have to be reloaded into memory, and
this is not instantaneous.
And if you had other variables in the revlet, they're lost cause its a new
session.. 

a kind of "postFromRevlet RevletId, targetFile" and "postToRevlet revletId,
targetFile" command would be great.. !! 

To make it easier you can play around with test stack I made in june
testParamsOk.rev


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Robert Maniquant wrote:
>> I thought the polling example read results from a file on the server ???
> 
> Yes, you're right, for the most part. I'd rewritten the poll stack as an 
> iRev page for possible use in the conference teaching session and got 
> myself confused between mine and the original.
> 
> The sample stack as it appears on RR's site doesn't directly read a text 
> file itself. It loads a URL that consists of a plain iRev script. That 
> script reads and writes to the text file, and returns the vote totals to 
> the revlet. It isn't actually a POST event, so I misspoke.
> 
> I can't try it right now, but I don't see why a revlet couldn't post to 
> its own containing irev page, and have that page process and display 
> data. I'm still travelling right now and my internet access is limited, 
> but when I get home I may try it.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From cszasz at mac.com  Thu Sep 10 20:26:15 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
Message-ID: <25393101.post@talk.nabble.com>


Mark,

Your suggestion worked beautiful! And thanks Devin for your suggestion!
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From rman at free.fr  Thu Sep 10 20:59:45 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <25392418.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8C629.2080908@hyperactivesw.com>
	<25385338.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4AA9651F.6000604@hyperactivesw.com>
	<25392418.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25393379.post@talk.nabble.com>


A reply to myself. Let's keep in view the subject : using revlet as forms,
basically to send information via mail or to a database.... and for that
alone revlet can be really cool i find, there is no need to update the html
page...

See the sample revletForm along !
http://www.nabble.com/file/p25393379/basicRevletForm.rev basicRevletForm.rev 


Robert Maniquant wrote:
> 
> Yes you can.. but the whole revlet will have to be reloaded into memory,
> and this is not instantaneous.
> And if you had other variables in the revlet, they're lost cause its a new
> session.. 
> 
> a kind of "postFromRevlet RevletId, targetFile" and "postToRevlet
> revletId, targetFile" command would be great.. !! 
> 
> To make it easier you can play around with test stack I made in june
> testParamsOk.rev
> 

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 21:43:05 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:43:05 +1000
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <F7AB1CE4-8A27-49DF-BA38-1A1768F5B40A@byu.edu>
References: <25385854.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<52EFC2F6-24B3-4680-9262-40137D7EAFE3@byu.edu>
	<F7AB1CE4-8A27-49DF-BA38-1A1768F5B40A@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909101843x1b4a408fq8213d604005e48e3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> ?put tDate & 0,0,0,0 into tDate --
>
> Oops! This should be
>
> ?put tDate,0,0,0,0 into tDate


While I like Devin's method, I have changed to using:
   put tDate,12,0,0,0 into tDate

By working with a default time of midday instead of midnight, you
avoid any possible daylight-savings change issues.

Cheers,
Sarah


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Sep 10 23:57:30 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:57:30 -0500
Subject: Building a Side-Scrolling Game in Revolution
Message-ID: <4AA9CAAA.4020800@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I'm not sure if anyone else on the list has done anything in this realm,
but for a long time I've been interested in creating a Side-Scrolling
"Mario" style game in Revolution.

I threw together a basic concept called "Side-Scrolling Game Test" and
I've uploaded it to the New RevOnline.  Please check it out.  If you
would prefer to play the game with the theme music as well, download it
from here: http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/game_test.zip

The Game controls are the Left and Right arrow keys for movement, and
the Space bar to jump.

Now my test is a basic concept, and I'm looking for advise on how to
improve upon it.  There is basic support for Movement, Gravity,
Interactive Sprites, Enemies and Object Detection.

My planned improvements include trying to determine intersections prior
to moving the sprite, curved jumping and moving enemies and rewards.
I'm also going to generate a list of active sprites for the repeat loop,
instead of just looping through all of the objects in the group.

Anyways, any help is much appreciated.  Revolution may not exactly excel
at gaming, but with a little help, I'm sure we can come up with
something.  Thanks!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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From jrosat at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 02:56:41 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:56:41 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <cba.3ec54ae2.37daafea@aol.com>
References: <cba.3ec54ae2.37daafea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <96128886-533C-4A58-AF97-428024D34BAA@mac.com>

If I put 250 documents for example in the tray and print 200 numbers,  
there remain 50 documents. And I need to print a number on these 50  
documents, I can't wait a other day to put more sheets in the tray and  
print 200 numbers again.

I'm going to try to use the "read from file "COM1:" and see if there  
is a specific "message" when the paper tray is empty.


Le 10 sept. 2009 ? 21:39, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit :

> Tough one. He needs:
>
> repeat until the paperTray is empty
>
> As a workaround, let's say you knew that the maximum number of  
> sheets that
> your printer could hold is 250. Why not print in batches of 200,  
> say, with
> Rev stopping at that number. In this way you would not use an empty  
> tray as
> the batch indicator, but rather the fact that you had reached 200  
> sheets,
> where Rev would tell you that you needed to move to the next batch.  
> You refill
> the paper tray, and continue forever.
>
> Craig Newman
>
> In a message dated 9/10/09 3:24:23 PM, jrosat at mac.com writes:
>
>
>>
>> I thought of that. But the series start to 1 the first day of the  
>> year
>> and finish the last day of the year. I cannot know in advance the
>> number of documents to be printed. And I don't want to count manually
>> pages before to put them in the printer. So, I need to know when the
>> printer stop to print when there is no more page in the paper tray.
>>
>
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Sep 11 04:59:32 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:59:32 -0700
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <96128886-533C-4A58-AF97-428024D34BAA@mac.com>
References: <cba.3ec54ae2.37daafea@aol.com>
	<96128886-533C-4A58-AF97-428024D34BAA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0A5590F0-8A8C-4A37-81BE-6409AFD4BB47@pacifier.com>

Is it possible the info might be found in your printers manuel for  
errors it
sends?  Even if the printer sends an out of paper error it might only  
send
it to the printer and you won't be able to read it from the port.  If  
that is the
case and you really need it you might be able to find a printer that  
will
send error codes to the port if you look around and pay more.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:56 PM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> If I put 250 documents for example in the tray and print 200  
> numbers, there remain 50 documents. And I need to print a number on  
> these 50 documents, I can't wait a other day to put more sheets in  
> the tray and print 200 numbers again.
>
> I'm going to try to use the "read from file "COM1:" and see if  
> there is a specific "message" when the paper tray is empty.
>
>
> Le 10 sept. 2009 ? 21:39, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit :
>
>> Tough one. He needs:
>>
>> repeat until the paperTray is empty
>>
>> As a workaround, let's say you knew that the maximum number of  
>> sheets that
>> your printer could hold is 250. Why not print in batches of 200,  
>> say, with
>> Rev stopping at that number. In this way you would not use an  
>> empty tray as
>> the batch indicator, but rather the fact that you had reached 200  
>> sheets,
>> where Rev would tell you that you needed to move to the next  
>> batch. You refill
>> the paper tray, and continue forever.
>>
>> Craig Newman
>>
>> In a message dated 9/10/09 3:24:23 PM, jrosat at mac.com writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I thought of that. But the series start to 1 the first day of the  
>>> year
>>> and finish the last day of the year. I cannot know in advance the
>>> number of documents to be printed. And I don't want to count  
>>> manually
>>> pages before to put them in the printer. So, I need to know when the
>>> printer stop to print when there is no more page in the paper tray.
>>>
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Sep 11 05:12:22 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:12:22 +0200
Subject: popup-/contextmenu in Editor field of DataGrid?
Message-ID: <27743C73-20EE-4A24-B633-A22A856E223A@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all (and Trevor :-)

Any hints on how to popup a menu in the "Editor field" of a DataGrid?
I want to let the user choose pre-made text to insert into that  
column, know what I mean?

Or if that is not possible, I could also need this when right-clicking  
on any column,
so I can insert the chosen text into the clicked column.

The popup button will NOT be part of the DataGrid.

Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep 11 05:57:47 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:57:47 -0700
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
Message-ID: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hello List:

I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for recovering files from user
accounts (non-admin) on a failing OS X drive (10.4.11).

I don't know yet if the drive is going bad or if the system is simply
corrupt, but I'm hoping to be able to rescue some files from a user account.
I've tried using DiskWarrior on the drive, and it's able to see pretty much
all of the disk, but when attempting look into folders that reside under
user accounts, they show up as inaccessible, just as one would expect when
normally browsing in the Finder.

I get that user accounts are normally inaccessible unless one is logged in
as that user, but I'm hoping someone might know of a utility or process to
be able to extract files from these kind of accounts and "de-protect" them
based on the login information (or if this is even possible).

BTW, I'm accessing the problem drive from an external disk/system -- I
cannot boot up from the problem disk (freezes at the Apple logo).

Thanks for any suggestions.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Sep 11 06:10:11 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:10:11 -0700
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BCD606C9-03E8-49BF-965A-A9B3CF522671@qldlearning.com>

You might want to give Knoppix a try:
http://luhman.org/blog/2009/07/13/knoppix-recovery-mac-mini-crash

I just recently used Knoppix to recover a Windows laptop and it was a  
real lifesaver. Hopefully you can just march right into those folders  
since Linux won't bother trying to respect your Mac user accounts.

> Hello List:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for recovering files from  
> user
> accounts (non-admin) on a failing OS X drive (10.4.11).
>
> I don't know yet if the drive is going bad or if the system is simply
> corrupt, but I'm hoping to be able to rescue some files from a user  
> account.
> I've tried using DiskWarrior on the drive, and it's able to see  
> pretty much
> all of the disk, but when attempting look into folders that reside  
> under
> user accounts, they show up as inaccessible, just as one would  
> expect when
> normally browsing in the Finder.
>
> I get that user accounts are normally inaccessible unless one is  
> logged in
> as that user, but I'm hoping someone might know of a utility or  
> process to
> be able to extract files from these kind of accounts and "de- 
> protect" them
> based on the login information (or if this is even possible).
>
> BTW, I'm accessing the problem drive from an external disk/system -- I
> cannot boot up from the problem disk (freezes at the Apple logo).


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Sep 11 06:29:02 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:29:02 +0100
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CC90567C-172C-4E53-90D2-17AF8350DD48@azurevision.co.uk>

If you enable the Root user on your external HD and login as Root you  
can access any user folder on any connected drive. Although I'm not  
sure what problems you might have with permissions on the files after  
they have been copied somewhere else.

Brian's suggestion of Knoppix is definitely worth looking into.

Ian

On 11 Sep 2009, at 10:57, Scott Rossi wrote:

> I get that user accounts are normally inaccessible unless one is  
> logged in
> as that user, but I'm hoping someone might know of a utility or  
> process to
> be able to extract files from these kind of accounts and "de- 
> protect" them
> based on the login information (or if this is even possible).



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Sep 11 08:43:41 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:43:41 -0400
Subject: popup-/contextmenu in Editor field of DataGrid?
In-Reply-To: <27743C73-20EE-4A24-B633-A22A856E223A@major.on-rev.com>
References: <27743C73-20EE-4A24-B633-A22A856E223A@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <E6FF4F4C-3F85-4C37-AD65-A9699F867E56@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 11, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi all (and Trevor :-)

Hi Klaus :-)

> Any hints on how to popup a menu in the "Editor field" of a DataGrid?
> I want to let the user choose pre-made text to insert into that  
> column, know what I mean?

This lesson shows how to trigger the data grid mousedown code before  
displaying a contextual:

How Do I Show a Contextual Menu?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/2962 
 >

Although the example script would be placed in the data grid group  
script itself you could just as easily place the code in the behavior  
for a custom column template:

How Do I Customize A Table's Columns?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3436-How-Do-I-Customize-A-Table-s-Columns- 
 >

> Or if that is not possible, I could also need this when right- 
> clicking on any column,
> so I can insert the chosen text into the clicked column.
>
> The popup button will NOT be part of the DataGrid.

As long as the popup menu button is on the card you won't have any  
problems. What you do need to do, however, is have the popup send a  
message back to the custom column control so that you can update the  
data grid value. I usually do this by setting a custom property on the  
button before displaying it. So below you will find one way to  
approach this.

-- Column behavior script

on mouseDown pMouseBtnNum
     dgMouseDown pMouseBtnNum
     if pMouseBtnNum is 3 then
         set the uTarget of button "MyContextualMenu" to the long id  
of me
         popup button "MyContextualMenu"
     end if
end mouseDown

Then in the menuPick handler of "MyContextualMenu" I would do  
something like this:

-- button "MyContextualMenu" script

on menuPick pChosen
     dispatch "UpdateColumnValue" to the uTarget of me with pChosen
end menuPick

Now you just add the UpdateColumnValue command to the column behavior  
script. The code will look just like any other code in the docs that  
update data grid values.

-- Column behavior script

command UpdateColumnValue pValue
     put the dgIndex of the me into theIndex
     put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me into  
theDataA
     put pValue into theDataA[the dgColumn of me]
     set the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me to theDataA
end UpdateColumnValue

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Sep 11 08:56:12 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:56:12 -0400
Subject: iRev list of commands available
In-Reply-To: <20090910170004.3060A48AA3C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090910170004.3060A48AA3C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A8DFC896-DE17-41BA-B1C8-5894E4DD23BC@videotron.ca>

Thanks Jacqueline,

This is good to know.  But like Thomas, I would very much like some  
sort of document that lists commands that are unique to iRev, RunRev  
commands that are not currently compatible with iRev, and syntax  
examples with tips like the very good one that you've provided here.   
It would save a lot of time in getting stuff out.

Regards,

	Gregory


On 2009-09-10, at 1:00 PM, Jacqueline wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> Where is there a list of iRev commands available?
>>
>> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and
>> would like to know what else is not available.
>
> Virtually everything is available, with the added bonus of a few new
> terms listed in the change log. IRev scripts can contain plain lists  
> of
> commands without any handler declarations, or alternately the commands
> can be enclosed in formal ("on" or "command") handler declarations. If
> your commands are not inside a formal handler declaration, then you  
> will
> get the error message you saw. Additionally, the server compiles  
> revTalk
> from top to bottom. Unlike stack scripts where handlers can go  
> anywhere
> in the message hierarchy, you can't place a handler anywhere you  
> like on
> the page -- it must be declared before any other command makes use of
> it. It's easiest to place most handlers above the html code at the top
> of the page, just to make sure they are processed before any other  
> line
> of script needs them. This isn't necessary though, just make sure
> handlers occur before any other line of script that needs to use them.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Sep 11 09:07:24 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:07:24 +0200
Subject: popup-/contextmenu in Editor field of DataGrid?
In-Reply-To: <E6FF4F4C-3F85-4C37-AD65-A9699F867E56@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <27743C73-20EE-4A24-B633-A22A856E223A@major.on-rev.com>
	<E6FF4F4C-3F85-4C37-AD65-A9699F867E56@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <D3A20EFA-D286-4253-BB97-C3F4A15C440D@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Trevor,

> On Sep 11, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> Hi all (and Trevor :-)
>
> Hi Klaus :-)
>
>> Any hints on how to popup a menu in the "Editor field" of a DataGrid?
>> I want to let the user choose pre-made text to insert into that  
>> column, know what I mean?
> This lesson shows how to trigger the data grid mousedown code before  
> displaying a contextual:
> How Do I Show a Contextual Menu?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/2962 
> >
> Although the example script would be placed in the data grid group  
> script itself you could just as easily place the code in the  
> behavior for a custom column template:
> How Do I Customize A Table's Columns?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3436-How-Do-I-Customize-A-Table-s-Columns- 
> >
>
>> Or if that is not possible, I could also need this when right- 
>> clicking on any column,
>> so I can insert the chosen text into the clicked column.
>>
>> The popup button will NOT be part of the DataGrid.
>
> As long as the popup menu button is on the card you won't have any  
> problems. What you do need to do, however, is have the popup send a  
> message back to the custom column control so that you can update the  
> data grid value. I usually do this by setting a custom property on  
> the button before displaying it. So below you will find one way to  
> approach this.
>
> -- Column behavior script
>
> on mouseDown pMouseBtnNum
>    dgMouseDown pMouseBtnNum
>    if pMouseBtnNum is 3 then
>        set the uTarget of button "MyContextualMenu" to the long id  
> of me
>        popup button "MyContextualMenu"
>    end if
> end mouseDown
>
> Then in the menuPick handler of "MyContextualMenu" I would do  
> something like this:
>
> -- button "MyContextualMenu" script
>
> on menuPick pChosen
>    dispatch "UpdateColumnValue" to the uTarget of me with pChosen
> end menuPick
>
> Now you just add the UpdateColumnValue command to the column  
> behavior script. The code will look just like any other code in the  
> docs that update data grid values.
>
> -- Column behavior script
>
> command UpdateColumnValue pValue
>    put the dgIndex of the me into theIndex
>    put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me into  
> theDataA
>    put pValue into theDataA[the dgColumn of me]
>    set the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me to theDataA
> end UpdateColumnValue
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

thanks a LOT for this!
Will try later at home.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Sep 11 09:08:24 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:08:24 +0000
Subject: OT: Mac OS X Software Package?
Message-ID: <00038979.4AAA67E7@the-office.us>

Hi,

i remember a posting here from someone in the past, who informed about a special time limited promotion
for several mac os x software packages. Although i had no Mac i visited 
the vendor site and was impressed about the software titles, which were sold for such a low
price.I know this offer is already over, but i need  the link to the site again.

If i remember right, that was not the first promotion of that vendor. 

Can anyone help?

Regards,

Matthias




From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Sep 11 09:18:04 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:18:04 +0200
Subject: OT: Mac OS X Software Package?
In-Reply-To: <00038979.4AAA67E7@the-office.us>
References: <00038979.4AAA67E7@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <12E9D652-A63C-4943-8024-69173EB1A819@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 11 sept. 09 ? 15:08, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> i remember a posting here from someone in the past, who informed  
> about a special time limited promotion
> for several mac os x software packages. Although i had no Mac i  
> visited
> the vendor site and was impressed about the software titles, which  
> were sold for such a low
> price.I know this offer is already over, but i need  the link to  
> the site again.
>
> If i remember right, that was not the first promotion of that vendor.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> _______________________________________________


macupdate promo
http://www.mupromo.com/
has occasional, very interesting bundle promos. Signup to get  
notifications.
Macheist
http://www.macheist.com/
also has some interested bundles.

Typically, they will make a 49$ offer for 10 (and sometimes more)  
softwares with cumulated value of 450-500$. Basically, if you are  
interested in one of these softwares, the bundle is worth it as you  
will often discover good surprises in it.



From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 09:27:30 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:27:30 EDT
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
Message-ID: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>

I do not understand.

If the fact that the tray is empty can tell you to load new paper, then why 
can't the fact that you just printed 200 sheets tell you to load new paper? 
The unused sheets are invisible. They are there only to allow Rev to manage 
the process, not the printer. They are a buffer.

In other words, you want a certain event, the fact that the tray is empty, 
to signal you to reload. I suggest that a different event, the fact that you 
just printed 200 sheets, can signal you to reload just as well.   That 
there will always be unused sheets below the continuous batches of 200 working 
sheets is irrelevant, and it does not matter how many unused sheets sit 
there.

Imagine you had a paper tray that could hold 1,000,000 sheets. You hit a 
button in your application that prints 200, and you have to hit that button 
over and over to start each new batch of 200. It does not matter that you 
never empty the tray. But you get as many sheets as you need, all numbered 
correctly. And you don't have to count the paper, you just have to make sure that 
you reload the tray fully.

Craig Newman



In a message dated 9/11/09 2:57:05 AM, jrosat at mac.com writes:


> If I put 250 documents for example in the tray and print 200 numbers,?
> there remain 50 documents. And I need to print a number on these 50?
> documents, I can't wait a other day to put more sheets in the tray and?
> print 200 numbers again.
> 



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 10:35:40 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:35:40 -0400
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <CC90567C-172C-4E53-90D2-17AF8350DD48@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CC90567C-172C-4E53-90D2-17AF8350DD48@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B26D238B-227F-471E-AB7E-DA050F082E1D@mac.com>

Yes, Enabling the ROOT user is the way I have done this in the past. I  
also use Carbon Copy Cloner to do 'complete' copies and have had good  
success with Drive Genius 2 to repair and copy files.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

> If you enable the Root user on your external HD and login as Root  
> you can access any user folder on any connected drive. Although I'm  
> not sure what problems you might have with permissions on the files  
> after they have been copied somewhere else.
>
> Brian's suggestion of Knoppix is definitely worth looking into.
>
> Ian
>
> On 11 Sep 2009, at 10:57, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> I get that user accounts are normally inaccessible unless one is  
>> logged in
>> as that user, but I'm hoping someone might know of a utility or  
>> process to
>> be able to extract files from these kind of accounts and "de- 
>> protect" them
>> based on the login information (or if this is even possible).
>
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Sep 11 10:58:37 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:58:37 +0000
Subject: Re-2: OT: Mac OS X Software Package?
Message-ID: <0003897A.4AAA81BB@the-office.us>

Fran?ois,

thanks for that. I think it was Macheist. 

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: OT: Mac OS X Software Package? (11-Sep-2009 15:22)
From:    Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> 
> Le 11 sept. 09 ? 15:08, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de a ?crit :
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > i remember a posting here from someone in the past, who informed  
> > about a special time limited promotion
> > for several mac os x software packages. Although i had no Mac i  
> > visited
> > the vendor site and was impressed about the software titles, which  
> > were sold for such a low
> > price.I know this offer is already over, but i need  the link to  
> > the site again.
> >
> > If i remember right, that was not the first promotion of that vendor.
> >
> > Can anyone help?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> macupdate promo
> http://www.mupromo.com/
> has occasional, very interesting bundle promos. Signup to get  
> notifications.
> Macheist
> http://www.macheist.com/
> also has some interested bundles.
> 
> Typically, they will make a 49$ offer for 10 (and sometimes more)  
> softwares with cumulated value of 450-500$. Basically, if you are  
> interested in one of these softwares, the bundle is worth it as you  
> will often discover good surprises in it.___________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 11 11:04:02 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:04:02 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video
Message-ID: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>

Revolution users,

We have new features again this week. Check out our two minute video:

http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-new-dictionary-and-custom-prop

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 11:48:52 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting radio buttons
Message-ID: <25403484.post@talk.nabble.com>


Is there a way to set a group of radio buttons where neither button has been
selected when an user "opens" a card? For example, a group of two radio
buttons would not be set until the user makes a selection.
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Setting-radio-buttons-tp25403484p25403484.html
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 12:22:06 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:22:06 EDT
Subject: Setting radio buttons
Message-ID: <bcb.5938d845.37dbd32e@aol.com>

You can always just:

on openCard
   set the hilite of button yourButton1 to "false"
   set the hilite of button yourButton2 to "false"
end openCard

Radio behavior is a property of a group of buttons. I bet rev has a way to 
find the objects in a particular group. If not, it ought to, as this seems 
like a very useful thing to have, so that if you add or subtract buttons from 
that group the code does not have to be modified. I'll check, though I bet 
someone already knows...

Craig Newman


In a message dated 9/11/09 11:49:17 AM, cszasz at mac.com writes:


> Is there a way to set a group of radio buttons where neither button has 
> been
> selected when an user "opens" a card? For example, a group of two radio
> buttons would not be set until the user makes a selection.
> 



From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 12:26:24 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:26:24 EDT
Subject: Setting radio buttons
Message-ID: <bf5.63b2017d.37dbd430@aol.com>

Found it. I knew there was a way:

Again radio behavior is always a property of a group:

set the hilitedButton of group yourGroup to zero

Craig Newman


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 11 12:31:37 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:31:37 -0700
Subject: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop
In-Reply-To: <20090911145842.1FB6048AD8E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090911145842.1FB6048AD8E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C8781FE1-5B22-4E36-A8A8-902BA48EFA1A@sbcglobal.net>

>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: BNig <niggemann at uni-wh.de>
> Subject: Re: Graphic speed comparison between webLets and desktop
> 	stacks
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <25389915.post at talk.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Jim,
>
> one funny thing I noticed on the mac: if in your repeat loop you set  
> the
> wait to 0 millisecs on the slider the time goes down from 1500  
> millisecs to
> 630 millisecs, you can replace the wait with a "unlock screen" and  
> you have
> again around 630 millisecs. As soon as you wait even 1 millisecond  
> you go up
> to 1500 again. So there is more going on on the Mac then meets the  
> eye.
> By contrast I did not manage to speed up the send in time handler,  
> maybe
> someone has an idea.
>
> regards
> Bernd
>
>

Bernd,

Good observation. You're right about a lot going on behind the scenes.  
That's what makes it frustrating.
I talked to Kevin about it some years back, when the problem with OS X  
came up. I was told that Mark Waddingham had looked into it, but that  
it was complicated and difficult to fix.
You can see one of the problems on Rev's web site: http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia/
Notice how the motion stutters when it executes the command: Move  
image "rev icon" to 60,60
(On second thought, I guess that could be an artifact of their screen  
capture software. Everything seems to bump along.)

I'm sure they have a lot on their plate right now and this is not a  
high priority issue.

Jim Hurley



From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Sep 11 12:27:00 2009
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:27:00 +0200
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <p06240811c6d02a513cfc@[192.168.1.101]>

On 11.09.09 at 02:57 -0700 Scott Rossi apparently wrote:
>
>BTW, I'm accessing the problem drive from an external disk/system -- I
>cannot boot up from the problem disk (freezes at the Apple logo).

Have you tried setting of the drive to ignore permissions, when 
having it connected as external drive?

Robert


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Sep 11 12:57:18 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:57:18 +0100
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <p06240811c6d02a513cfc@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<p06240811c6d02a513cfc@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C86B02B1-42FE-45BD-92E7-6C37EEFCC064@azurevision.co.uk>

I don't think you can do that if the drive includes an OS X install.

Ian

On 11 Sep 2009, at 17:27, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> Have you tried setting of the drive to ignore permissions, when  
> having it connected as external drive?



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep 11 13:06:24 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:06:24 -0700
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <C86B02B1-42FE-45BD-92E7-6C37EEFCC064@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <C6CF6D2B.4448B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<p06240811c6d02a513cfc@192.168.1.101>
	<C86B02B1-42FE-45BD-92E7-6C37EEFCC064@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909111006u79887971h35bfb221176b414c@mail.gmail.com>

start up using an install dvdyou can change the root password from the disc
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/11 Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

> I don't think you can do that if the drive includes an OS X install.
>
> Ian
>
> On 11 Sep 2009, at 17:27, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>  Have you tried setting of the drive to ignore permissions, when having it
>> connected as external drive?
>>
>
>
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 11 13:18:45 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:18:45 -0700
Subject: weird card deletion anomalies
Message-ID: <4AAA8675.6020308@fourthworld.com>

FWIW, I just posted a report and example stack to the RQCC:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8268>


> I'm rewriting my script editor to use multiple cards in a single window 
> rather than a separate window for each script.  The migration has been 
> going well, with one oddity:
> 
> When I first set this up, I had the stack's closeStack handler delete 
> every card from #2 on:
> 
>    go cd 1
>    repeat with i = 2 to the number of cds
>      delete cd 2
>    end repeat
> 
> This worked well enough, but I found that about half the time I saved 
> the Rev engine would crash.  The file was fine - I can reopen it, edit 
> anything easily, and even save it again.  But only after it creates 
> multiple cards, about half the time it crashed during the save command, 
> while half the time it saved just fine.  FWIW, the crash occured before 
> the "~" copy was made, so it's something early on in the save routine.
> 
> On a lark I move the card deletion from the closeStack handler to a 
> preOpenStack handler.  Now it works fine all the time  - I can save 
> without difficulty.
> 
> Anyone else seen odd crashes during save?
> 
> I've checked the RQCC, and there's only one report of a crash during 
> save which doesn't seem related to my circumstance.
> 
> It's all good now, I'm happily editing away, but it's the sort of thing 
> that makes me wonder if I've tripped across some rare but 
> possibly-devastating-for-some-client-project-down-the-road issue....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jrosat at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 13:28:00 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:28:00 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
References: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>

Thanks Craig and JB.

My problem is not to reload the tray but to stop printing the number  
(and stop increasing numbers) when the tray is empty.

I was probably not clear. Sorry for that but english is not my native  
tongue. In my company we receive approximately 300' 000 mails during a  
year.  Currently we number each mail with a label preprinted with a  
number. And we stick the labels to the hand. So, what I want it is to  
put all mails received during the day in the tray of the printer and  
print a number on each mail and when the tray is empty, I need to  
store the last number in my stack and use this number the following  
day to start again to number mails.

J?r?me

Le 11 sept. 2009 ? 15:27, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit :

> I do not understand.
>
> If the fact that the tray is empty can tell you to load new paper,  
> then why
> can't the fact that you just printed 200 sheets tell you to load new  
> paper?
> The unused sheets are invisible. They are there only to allow Rev to  
> manage
> the process, not the printer. They are a buffer.
>
> In other words, you want a certain event, the fact that the tray is  
> empty,
> to signal you to reload. I suggest that a different event, the fact  
> that you
> just printed 200 sheets, can signal you to reload just as well.   That
> there will always be unused sheets below the continuous batches of  
> 200 working
> sheets is irrelevant, and it does not matter how many unused sheets  
> sit
> there.
>
> Imagine you had a paper tray that could hold 1,000,000 sheets. You  
> hit a
> button in your application that prints 200, and you have to hit that  
> button
> over and over to start each new batch of 200. It does not matter  
> that you
> never empty the tray. But you get as many sheets as you need, all  
> numbered
> correctly. And you don't have to count the paper, you just have to  
> make sure that
> you reload the tray fully.
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/09 2:57:05 AM, jrosat at mac.com writes:
>
>
>> If I put 250 documents for example in the tray and print 200 numbers,
>> there remain 50 documents. And I need to print a number on these 50
>> documents, I can't wait a other day to put more sheets in the tray  
>> and
>> print 200 numbers again.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Sep 11 13:45:09 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: html forms vs revlets
In-Reply-To: <61330387921.20090910093114@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5825034a0909090120w10be5d84l844dfa4eabb420b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909090146h21d15658u8d00513f48e2496d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909091812090.263@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C5FD7C7D-2D25-4D6F-9841-6979C5E043A4@gmail.com>
	<61330387921.20090910093114@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909111042320.16067@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Here's a silly question for you all:  How would one go about embedding 
such a revlet in Joomla?

TIA,

Judy

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Mark Wieder wrote:

> get shell("mail -s" \
>    && quote & tSubject & quote \
>    && tEmailAddress \
>    && "-- -f" & tContactEmail \
>    && "<" && tTempFile)
>
> where tSubject is a var containing the subject line
> tEmailAddress is the "To:" address
> tContactEmail is the "From:" address
> and tTempFile is a text file containing the body text.


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 13:44:14 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:44:14 EDT
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
Message-ID: <bd4.4ea1d1a0.37dbe66e@aol.com>

Jerome:

Ah, now I understand. So the tray being empty is what really matters.

How important is this task? It would be simple to make a small sensor that 
monitors the paper in the tray, and tells Rev to stop printing and do the 
bookkeeping. A number of possibilities come to mind, a light sensor, a long 
lever microswitch, a contact plate, etc.

The interface would only cost a couple hundred dollars, and is available 
from:

http://www.bkohg.com/index_e.html

I have the Service USB Plus, but either of its smaller brothers would work 
fine. The whole thing can be finished with a few dollars worth of parts and 
an hour (hah!) of Rev fiddling.

The device would detect when the last page was printed, and send a signal 
to Rev, which will be watching for it. If you need advice on how to go about 
this, let me know.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 9/11/09 1:28:30 PM, jrosat at mac.com writes:


> My problem is not to reload the tray but to stop printing the number?
> (and stop increasing numbers) when the tray is empty.
> 
> I was probably not clear. Sorry for that but english is not my native?
> tongue. In my company we receive approximately 300' 000 mails during a?
> year.? Currently we number each mail with a label preprinted with a?
> number. And we stick the labels to the hand. So, what I want it is to?
> put all mails received during the day in the tray of the printer and?
> print a number on each mail and when the tray is empty, I need to?
> store the last number in my stack and use this number the following?
> day to start again to number mails.
> 



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 14:01:55 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:01:55 -0700
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909101843x1b4a408fq8213d604005e48e3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>>>  put tDate & 0,0,0,0 into tDate --
>> Oops! This should be
>>  put tDate,0,0,0,0 into tDate
>
> While I like Devin's method, I have changed to using:
>   put tDate,12,0,0,0 into tDate
>
> By working with a default time of midday instead of midnight, you
> avoid any possible daylight-savings change issues.
>


One slight comment about daylight-savings:
  It is dependent on the computer clock setting running Rev.
If that cpu is not updated properly, it won't reflect the correct hour.

In an earlier email I noted the technique I use is to compare the  
current midnight seconds to the previous to see if exactly 24 hours is  
the difference.
       if thisTime = prevTime + (24*60*60) then success
The catch is that you need to store the previous time, otherwise the  
calculation will always be true since it is relative based on the  
current clock setting.

In an office network, I experienced 8% of the computers were updated  
by workers the wrong way and they did not notice the two hour  
difference until the next day.  Amazing.

In a side note that has nothing to do with daylight savings...
In another office, the very early shift of two workers faked the 6 AM  
start by getting in at 7:30 am, changing the clock, doing some  
reports, then switching back.  I documented this by running an  
AppleScript app on the Mac network server, and of course they were  
fired.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 11 14:00:59 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:00:59 -0700
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
References: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
	<E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
Message-ID: <251422172890.20090911110059@ahsoftware.net>

J?r?me-

Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:28:00 AM, you wrote:

> I was probably not clear. Sorry for that but english is not my native
> tongue. In my company we receive approximately 300' 000 mails during a
> year.  Currently we number each mail with a label preprinted with a
> number. And we stick the labels to the hand. So, what I want it is to
> put all mails received during the day in the tray of the printer and
> print a number on each mail and when the tray is empty, I need to  
> store the last number in my stack and use this number the following
> day to start again to number mails.

I'm afraid I still don't understand. Are you not storing the number
and mail information in a database? Are you simply printing a number
onto a label? Why not just print up labels ahead of time and use them?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Sep 11 14:17:59 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:17:59 -0700
Subject: Setting radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <bf5.63b2017d.37dbd430@aol.com>
References: <bf5.63b2017d.37dbd430@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AAA9457.4000800@pdslabs.net>

Also:
set the hilitedButtonName of grp yourGroup to empty

Choices, choices...


DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Found it. I knew there was a way:
>
> Again radio behavior is always a property of a group:
>
> set the hilitedButton of group yourGroup to zero
>
> Craig Newman

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Sep 11 14:38:12 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:38:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Changing date format in CalendarWidget100
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	<f99b52860909101843x1b4a408fq8213d604005e48e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD4F3447-78CE-456D-90C1-AA3EEF6207D7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25406267.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jim,
what do you mean? 
isn't that a form of daylight saving? :)
regards
Bernd

Jim Ault wrote:
> 
> 
> In a side note that has nothing to do with daylight savings...
> In another office, the very early shift of two workers faked the 6 AM  
> start by getting in at 7:30 am, changing the clock, doing some  
> reports, then switching back. 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 

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From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Sep 11 17:33:42 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:33:42 -0700
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
References: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
	<E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B3483239-E386-40B9-BE0D-3E38FB4AA42C@qldlearning.com>

Jerome,

Would it work to make each page a separate print job? Then you keep  
sending print jobs until one fails. The next day you just cancel the  
last failed job.
Something like:

Print "5"
Print "6"
Print "7"
FAIL

Next day...
Print "8"

That way you are not worrying about detecting "out of paper" in the  
middle of a multipage job. You just wait until a 1 page job fails.

> Thanks Craig and JB.
>
> My problem is not to reload the tray but to stop printing the number  
> (and stop increasing numbers) when the tray is empty.
>
> I was probably not clear. Sorry for that but english is not my  
> native tongue. In my company we receive approximately 300' 000 mails  
> during a year.  Currently we number each mail with a label  
> preprinted with a number. And we stick the labels to the hand. So,  
> what I want it is to put all mails received during the day in the  
> tray of the printer and print a number on each mail and when the  
> tray is empty, I need to store the last number in my stack and use  
> this number the following day to start again to number mails.
>
> J?r?me
>
> Le 11 sept. 2009 ? 15:27, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit :
>
>> I do not understand.
>>
>> If the fact that the tray is empty can tell you to load new paper,  
>> then why
>> can't the fact that you just printed 200 sheets tell you to load  
>> new paper?
>> The unused sheets are invisible. They are there only to allow Rev  
>> to manage
>> the process, not the printer. They are a buffer.
>>
>> In other words, you want a certain event, the fact that the tray is  
>> empty,
>> to signal you to reload. I suggest that a different event, the fact  
>> that you
>> just printed 200 sheets, can signal you to reload just as well.    
>> That
>> there will always be unused sheets below the continuous batches of  
>> 200 working
>> sheets is irrelevant, and it does not matter how many unused sheets  
>> sit
>> there.
>>
>> Imagine you had a paper tray that could hold 1,000,000 sheets. You  
>> hit a
>> button in your application that prints 200, and you have to hit  
>> that button
>> over and over to start each new batch of 200. It does not matter  
>> that you
>> never empty the tray. But you get as many sheets as you need, all  
>> numbered
>> correctly. And you don't have to count the paper, you just have to  
>> make sure that
>> you reload the tray fully.
>>
>> Craig Newman


From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 19:47:20 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <25403484.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25403484.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25410128.post@talk.nabble.com>


Craig,

Thanks! That did the trick!


Charles Szasz wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to set a group of radio buttons where neither button has
> been selected when an user "opens" a card? For example, a group of two
> radio buttons would not be set until the user makes a selection.
> 

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From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 19:48:01 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <4AAA9457.4000800@pdslabs.net>
References: <25403484.post@talk.nabble.com> <bf5.63b2017d.37dbd430@aol.com>
	<4AAA9457.4000800@pdslabs.net>
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Phiil,

Your suggestion also worked! Thanks!


Phil Davis-5 wrote:
> 
> Also:
> set the hilitedButtonName of grp yourGroup to empty
> 
> Choices, choices...
> 
> 
> DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>> Found it. I knew there was a way:
>>
>> Again radio behavior is always a property of a group:
>>
>> set the hilitedButton of group yourGroup to zero
>>
>> Craig Newman
> 
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
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> http://pdslabs.net
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 12 09:17:35 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:17:35 -0700
Subject: XP, Vista, Choosing where to save rev files
Message-ID: <4AAB9F6F.2050307@fourthworld.com>

sims wrote:

> If I let a Windows user choose via dialog where my app creates and  
> saves a rev file, will any folders that can be chosen by the user be  
> accessible to the rev app when it goes to open that file again?
> 
> I'm a bit worried about users choosing to save the file into a folder  
> that Vista will then not allow the rev app to open that file.
> 
> Maybe I'm being overly paranoid  ;-)   But Vista seems a bit cranky.

Vista *is* cranky, but I've had good results as long as I stick to 
folders within the user space.

You can direct the user to their Documents folder by specifying the path 
there in the ask file dialog, using the specialFolderPath function:

   ask file "Save file as:" with specialFolderPath("Documents")

That's no guarantee the user won't switch to a more troublesome folder, 
but in my experience many Windows users tend to stick to whatever folder 
you prompt them to.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 09:50:40 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:50:40 -0700
Subject: XP, Vista, Choosing where to save rev files
In-Reply-To: <4AAB9F6F.2050307@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAB9F6F.2050307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <29C72A53-F5E7-450D-942A-2296585EC40A@yahoo.com>

On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> sims wrote:
>> If I let a Windows user choose via dialog where my app creates and   
>> saves a rev file, will any folders that can be chosen by the user  
>> be  accessible to the rev app when it goes to open that file again?
>> I'm a bit worried about users choosing to save the file into a  
>> folder  that Vista will then not allow the rev app to open that file.
>> Maybe I'm being overly paranoid  ;-)   But Vista seems a bit cranky.
>
> Vista *is* cranky, but I've had good results as long as I stick to  
> folders within the user space.
> You can direct the user to their Documents folder by specifying the  
> path there in the ask file dialog, using the specialFolderPath  
> function:
>
>  ask file "Save file as:" with specialFolderPath("Documents")
>
> That's no guarantee the user won't switch to a more troublesome  
> folder, but in my experience many Windows users tend to stick to  
> whatever folder you prompt them to.
You could use a conditional loop and test, such as

on testValidity
    put false into successful
    put "itty bitty string" into stringToWrite

    repeat until successful is true
       ask file "Save file as: " with specialFolderPath("Documents")
       put it into userChoice
       if it is empty then exit to top -- user cancelled

       put stringToWrite into url ("file:" & userChoice)
       put url ("file:" & userChoice) into gotItBack
       if gotItBack is not empty then put true into successful
       --else user chose a file and path that could not be used
       --  either the filename is invalid or the folder or both
    end repeat
    --if we get here, we can use the folder and file name
    ... more steps
end testValidity

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Sep 12 15:31:46 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:31:46 -0500
Subject: Custom "Widget" Technique Question
Message-ID: <4AABF722.6080505@crcom.net>

I'm working on a new project and I'd like some advice on how to create 
custom controls to use on a graphical process display.  This will 
display a water pipeline system with all it's tanks, pipe, valves, 
flow/pressure meters etc.  One of the items I have to display is a water 
tank and I need to display how much water is in it as both a number and 
a graphical representation of the water level.  I've got the gist of the 
drawing managed but I'm going to have to have several of these and I 
don't want to hand create them every time so I'm looking to make a 
"water tank" custom control.

I need to put it somewhere, send it a current level which would update 
the numeric display and set the "water" level.  I'd also like to size 
them so I could have big ones and small ones.

That's a long introduction to my actual question.  I know I can make a 
group of the various parts and script the updating and possibly sizing 
using behavior scripts but once I've created it, where to I put it?  Do 
I create a stack with this group on it and then clone it where I need 
it?  Do I copy and paste (via script)?  I can't add it to the Rev 
graphic object pallet like the datagrid is now.

This is not the only custom control I'm going to need so I'm looking for 
a generic way to handle this kind of thing.  In the end, the program 
will not only have a display of our pipeline but I'd also like to have a 
separate design program to create the system diagrams in case any other 
pipelines want to use the program.

len morgan


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 12 15:49:15 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:49:15 -0700
Subject: Custom "Widget" Technique Question
Message-ID: <4AABFB3B.6080403@fourthworld.com>

Len, this sounds really cool:

> I'm working on a new project and I'd like some advice on how to create 
> custom controls to use on a graphical process display.  This will 
> display a water pipeline system with all it's tanks, pipe, valves, 
> flow/pressure meters etc.  One of the items I have to display is a water 
> tank and I need to display how much water is in it as both a number and 
> a graphical representation of the water level.  I've got the gist of the 
> drawing managed but I'm going to have to have several of these and I 
> don't want to hand create them every time so I'm looking to make a 
> "water tank" custom control.
> 
> I need to put it somewhere, send it a current level which would update 
> the numeric display and set the "water" level.  I'd also like to size 
> them so I could have big ones and small ones.
> 
> That's a long introduction to my actual question.  I know I can make a 
> group of the various parts and script the updating and possibly sizing 
> using behavior scripts but once I've created it, where to I put it?  Do 
> I create a stack with this group on it and then clone it where I need 
> it?  Do I copy and paste (via script)?  I can't add it to the Rev 
> graphic object pallet like the datagrid is now.
> 
> This is not the only custom control I'm going to need so I'm looking for 
> a generic way to handle this kind of thing.  In the end, the program 
> will not only have a display of our pipeline but I'd also like to have a 
> separate design program to create the system diagrams in case any other 
> pipelines want to use the program.

Check out the new Behaviors in v3.5.  This will let you use a button 
script that you could put anywhere (I tend to put mine in a library or a 
substack, depending on whether I plan to reuse them in other apps or 
not), and then assign the behavior of your template group to that button 
script.  From then on it's really easy, since all your code is in one place.

Using getProp and setProp you can adjust any number of things within the 
group from a single property setting.

And if you use v3.5's new selectGroupedControls property for groups, you 
can keep your layout work clean since the pointer tool will treat the 
group as a single object, regardless of the setting of the global 
property of the same name.

Use "copy <grpDescriptor> to <destinationStackDescriptor>" to add copies 
of groups to your layout.

Keep us posted on how this goes.  I love simulations, and would love to 
see what you come up with.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep 12 16:01:09 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:01:09 -0700
Subject: Custom "Widget" Technique Question
In-Reply-To: <4AABF722.6080505@crcom.net>
References: <4AABF722.6080505@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909121301x36844br8b7d882f23bacb40@mail.gmail.com>

If you haven't seen  Scott Rossi's work, you should. He's created some
amazing controls.
Buy or use for inspiration.

http://www.tactilemedia.com/       click software; click TMGauge
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/12 Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net>

> I'm working on a new project and I'd like some advice on how to create
> custom controls to use on a graphical process display.  This will display a
> water pipeline system with all it's tanks, pipe, valves, flow/pressure
> meters etc.  One of the items I have to display is a water tank and I need
> to display how much water is in it as both a number and a graphical
> representation of the water level.  I've got the gist of the drawing managed
> but I'm going to have to have several of these and I don't want to hand
> create them every time so I'm looking to make a "water tank" custom control.
>
> I need to put it somewhere, send it a current level which would update the
> numeric display and set the "water" level.  I'd also like to size them so I
> could have big ones and small ones.
>
> That's a long introduction to my actual question.  I know I can make a
> group of the various parts and script the updating and possibly sizing using
> behavior scripts but once I've created it, where to I put it?  Do I create a
> stack with this group on it and then clone it where I need it?  Do I copy
> and paste (via script)?  I can't add it to the Rev graphic object pallet
> like the datagrid is now.
>
> This is not the only custom control I'm going to need so I'm looking for a
> generic way to handle this kind of thing.  In the end, the program will not
> only have a display of our pipeline but I'd also like to have a separate
> design program to create the system diagrams in case any other pipelines
> want to use the program.
>
> len morgan
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Sep 12 16:03:38 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:03:38 -0500
Subject: Custom "Widget" Technique Question
In-Reply-To: <4AABFB3B.6080403@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AABFB3B.6080403@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AABFE9A.8050801@crcom.net>

Thank you for this Richard.  This is the kind of information I was 
looking for.  Perhaps I can provide a library of process control custom 
controls as a library like some people supply custom icon libraries.  
I'll keep you posted on what I come up with.

len

Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> Using getProp and setProp you can adjust any number of things within 
> the group from a single property setting.
>
> And if you use v3.5's new selectGroupedControls property for groups, 
> you can keep your layout work clean since the pointer tool will treat 
> the group as a single object, regardless of the setting of the global 
> property of the same name.
>
> Use "copy <grpDescriptor> to <destinationStackDescriptor>" to add 
> copies of groups to your layout.
>
> Keep us posted on how this goes.  I love simulations, and would love 
> to see what you come up with.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Sep 12 16:26:37 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:26:37 +0100
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video
In-Reply-To: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>
References: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AAC03FD.8090602@tweedly.net>

Jerry Daniels wrote:
> Revolution users,
>
> We have new features again this week. Check out our two minute video:

Cool.

But I am still waiting in hope for new features that let me use tRev for 
editing .irev files.
I'm not greedy - I don't need any integration with  the On-Rev client, 
or even any ability to handle include files to allow clever searches 
for  handler definitions - just enabling the "open file .." and letting 
us have the nice editor capabilities on a basic script file would be 
wonderful.

(btw - OK, I am greedy - it would be nice. :-)

-- Alex


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Sep 12 16:32:15 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:32:15 +0100
Subject: OT: On-Rev html -> irev conversion.
In-Reply-To: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>
References: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AAC054F.80306@tweedly.net>


I'm about to go live with my first real on-rev (i.e. irev based) site. I 
have a couple of sites up already, but this is the first pre-existing 
site that I am converting over to take advantage of .irev scripts, and 
being fully dynamic.

And I have a small worry .....

There are a couple of different ways that users of the site might have 
become tied into .html files
   - bookmarks to specific pages within the site
   - links on their own site to pages within the site

Is there any way that I can tell the on-rev server to substitute file on 
http requests ?
i.e. if a browser asks for abc.html, give it abc.irev

I can (or could if I looked it up) put in a redirect for abc.html to 
abc.rev - but I don't want to do that for each individual file, I'd like 
to do it in one place for all files (or, ideally, all files where the 
.html file doesn;t exist).

Thanks
-- Alex.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 12 16:49:43 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:49:43 -0700
Subject: OT: On-Rev html -> irev conversion.
Message-ID: <4AAC0967.4070902@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Is there any way that I can tell the on-rev server to substitute file on 
> http requests ?
> i.e. if a browser asks for abc.html, give it abc.irev
> 
> I can (or could if I looked it up) put in a redirect for abc.html to 
> abc.rev - but I don't want to do that for each individual file, I'd like 
> to do it in one place for all files (or, ideally, all files where the 
> .html file doesn;t exist).

I don't know if there are restrictions with using mod_rewrite directives 
in .htaccess files on the on-rev.com server, but you can use them on 
just about any Apache server to do what you need.

The adventure begins here:
<http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html>

And the web is full of examples for just about anything you want to do 
with mod_rewrite.

I've been pleasantly surprised by the range of things that can be done 
with it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 17:49:46 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:49:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
References: <BC5F68E6-6313-4FB4-936D-F7B3CB712DB4@mac.com>
	<c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
	<E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
Message-ID: <25418521.post@talk.nabble.com>



J?r?me Rosat wrote:
> 
> Thanks Craig and JB.
> 
> My problem is not to reload the tray but to stop printing the number  
> (and stop increasing numbers) when the tray is empty.
> 
> I was probably not clear. Sorry for that but english is not my native  
> tongue. In my company we receive approximately 300' 000 mails during a  
> year.  Currently we number each mail with a label preprinted with a  
> number. And we stick the labels to the hand. So, what I want it is to  
> put all mails received during the day in the tray of the printer and  
> print a number on each mail and when the tray is empty, I need to  
> store the last number in my stack and use this number the following  
> day to start again to number mails.
> 
> J?r?me
> 
Ah, I think I get it. You want to print a variable number of serial numbers
on the documents received, which you have placed in the paper tray of your
printer. The first serial number should be yesterday's last serial number
plus 1. So yesterday's range might have been from 19273 to 19411 and today
should start at 19412 and go through until the documents are out (say there
were 100, then tomorrow's first document will be numbered 19512).

Easy (ish) way:
1) Stack your documents in the paper tray and print 1000 serial numbers onto
them starting from (say, as above) 19412.
2) In the morning, look at the output from the printer and determine that
the print run ran out at 19511.
3) Cancel the outstanding print queue
4) Set rev to store 19512 as the new start serial number of the print run.
5) Collect up today's documents and put them in the print tray.
6) Print 1000 serial numbers onto the documents, starting at the figure
recorded in step 4.
7) Go home
8) In the morning look at the output from the printer and determine that the
print run ran out at 19643.
9) Cancel the outstanding print queue.
10) Set rev to store 19644 as the new start serial number of the print run.
11) onwards, repeating the appropriate steps as necessary.

More technical way - possibly/probably printer/platform dependent:
Find out what SNMP/html/scripting methods there are for interrogating the
print queues.
Some printers have an interface for reporting status, and some OS scripting
can be employed. I can't give you any pointers about SNMP at all. It may be
worth checking if you could get any information from the given printer by
checking in a web browser. If you can, then you could probably use rev to
get the url of the printer status page, and parse the data returned to
extract information about the paper situation. If you did this in a repeat
loop before sending your next serial number print job you could get rev to
tell whether it is safe to print the next number or wait for your return to
stack the new lot of documents in the paper tray. If the last print job was
reported OK and the printer status says paper is not out, then add 1 to the
serial number and print, else exit the repeat loop.
If on Windows, you could use WMI scripting by getting rev to "do" a vbscript
with WMI interrogation of the printer status to verify that the last print
job did not fail and the status is ready and similarly you could put that
script in the loop and depending on result returned from the WMI
interrogation, either advance the count and print again or exit the loop and
wait for you to start again with new documents the next day.
If on Mac, I imagine there may be something vaguely similar in Applescript,
or Linux maybe some shell scripting, but I have no idea.
On Windows, there is some vbscript which you can look at, which shows some
WMI interrogation on printing (as well as lots of other stuff) here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/guide/sas_prn_overview.mspx?mfr=true

I don't know if any of that is useful, but hope it helps.
S/O
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Sep 12 19:15:14 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:15:14 +0100
Subject: OT: On-Rev html -> irev conversion.
In-Reply-To: <4AAC0967.4070902@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAC0967.4070902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AAC2B82.70306@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I don't know if there are restrictions with using mod_rewrite 
> directives in .htaccess files on the on-rev.com server, but you can 
> use them on just about any Apache server to do what you need.
>
> The adventure begins here:
> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html>
>
> And the web is full of examples for just about anything you want to do 
> with mod_rewrite.
>
> I've been pleasantly surprised by the range of things that can be done 
> with it.
Thanks Richard - looks like it can do everything I want (and a whole lot 
more). But I'll leave that for tomorrow ....

The site is now live, feel free to send me comments (off-list) about 
www.kilmelford.com
all done with irev  - simple file/text based cms for articles, news 
stories, etc., plus dynamic building of the various lists and databases 
of businesses, walks, etc. (and events - but the next newsletter comes 
out next week, so the calendar is just about empty right now)

-- Alex.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 19:17:20 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:17:20 +1000
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video
In-Reply-To: <4AAC03FD.8090602@tweedly.net>
References: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>
	<4AAC03FD.8090602@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909121617h77d8bfd5pe2fd81347178475c@mail.gmail.com>

> But I am still waiting in hope for new features that let me use tRev for
> editing .irev files.
> I'm not greedy - I don't need any integration with ?the On-Rev client, or
> even any ability to handle include files to allow clever searches for
> ?handler definitions - just enabling the "open file .." and letting us have
> the nice editor capabilities on a basic script file would be wonderful.

I would love this too, and have been considering a work-around.
What about making a stack that listed all the irev files in a selected folders.
When you wanted to edit one, it could create a button, set the script
of that button to the contents of the irev file and start editing it.
When finished, a Save button could write the script back to the irev file.

However, if the script didn't compile, then this wouldn't work I guess.

Cheers,
Sarah


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Sep 12 20:29:21 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:29:21 -0700
Subject: [OT] Recover Files From OS X User Account
In-Reply-To: <CC90567C-172C-4E53-90D2-17AF8350DD48@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6D18AF1.444EA%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks to all the folks who chimed in about recovering user-account files on
OS X.  Enabling the root user was indeed the solution that allowed me to
access the user files -- while I haven't gone through all of them to see if
any damage was done, they all were recovered without issue, and the drive
reformatted.

Annoyingly, the whole mess was initiated by a standard system update from
Apple which, in the years of running their updates, has never caused an
issue.  Guess it was bound to happen.

Make backups of your stuff!

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 21:37:11 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:37:11 +1000
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909121617h77d8bfd5pe2fd81347178475c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88E0148-E85C-4357-8911-7028ACE1B2AD@me.com>
	<4AAC03FD.8090602@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860909121617h77d8bfd5pe2fd81347178475c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909121837x5c032e4eta2178e140d62eb16@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sarah Reichelt
<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But I am still waiting in hope for new features that let me use tRev for
>> editing .irev files.
>> I'm not greedy - I don't need any integration with ?the On-Rev client, or
>> even any ability to handle include files to allow clever searches for
>> ?handler definitions - just enabling the "open file .." and letting us have
>> the nice editor capabilities on a basic script file would be wonderful.
>
> I would love this too, and have been considering a work-around.
> What about making a stack that listed all the irev files in a selected folders.
> When you wanted to edit one, it could create a button, set the script
> of that button to the contents of the irev file and start editing it.
> When finished, a Save button could write the script back to the irev file.


I've just put together a stack that does this and it seems to work perfectly.
I haven't tried uploading any edited files yet (does On-Rev require
any particular line endings?) and it doesn't create new files yet, but
if anyone wants to test it, let me know off-list and I'll email a
copy.

Since compiling the script seems to work fine with irev and HTML all
intermingled, I guess that RunRev/Jerry has already been working on
something like this.

Now I just need to incorporate it with my existing FTP stack, and I'll
have a system :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Sat Sep 12 22:42:36 2009
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:42:36 +0200
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
Message-ID: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>

I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with a  
double click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog:

<<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file. >>

If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command,  
everything works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get the same  
problem.

Any idea what goes wrong ?

Till


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 22:54:45 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:54:45 +1000
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>
References: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909121954v4a5fe53apcadd446861a105c8@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Till Bandi <tbandi at swissonline.ch> wrote:
> I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with a double
> click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog:
>
> <<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file. >>
>
> If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command, everything
> works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get the same problem.


It's a known issue with Snow Leopard. Open all stacks either by
command (open or go) or by using the File menu.
Double-clicking a stack will work if Rev is not already running, but
not after that.

Cheers,
Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 02:43:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:43:47 +0300
Subject: Reducing dependency on QT
Message-ID: <4AAC94A3.3060108@gmail.com>

I wonder if this Open Source stuff cannot be turned into some sort
of plug-in for RunRev:

http://freepv.sourceforge.net/

while not directly relevant, this is also interesting:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2006/11/how_to_create_quicktime_v.html


From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Sun Sep 13 03:27:15 2009
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:27:15 +0200
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909121954v4a5fe53apcadd446861a105c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>
	<f99b52860909121954v4a5fe53apcadd446861a105c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBB793DA-AF9D-45E9-8552-33D2B05EBB35@swissonline.ch>

Thaknks!

Am 13.09.2009 um 04:54 schrieb Sarah Reichelt:

> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Till Bandi <tbandi at swissonline.ch>  
> wrote:
>> I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with  
>> a double
>> click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog:
>>
>> <<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup  
>> file. >>
>>
>> If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command,  
>> everything
>> works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get the same problem.
>
>
> It's a known issue with Snow Leopard. Open all stacks either by
> command (open or go) or by using the File menu.
> Double-clicking a stack will work if Rev is not already running, but
> not after that.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From sandrah9 at comcast.net  Sun Sep 13 15:31:23 2009
From: sandrah9 at comcast.net (sandrah9 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:31:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 72, Issue 18  -- Solution for
 Problems with Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <20090913170004.C1124489791@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


I read a messarge regarding "Problems with Snow Leopard": 

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Till Bandi < tbandi at swissonline.ch > wrote: 
> I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with a double 
> click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog: 
> 
> <<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file. >> 
> 
> If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command, everything 
> works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get the same problem. 

I had the same problem, and here is the solution. You need to insert the Snow Leopard disc again and load the application "Rosetta" which is included separately on the disc. Once loaded, go to your Revolution application and click on it but don't open it. While it is highlighted, go to top finder menu and select the "Get Information" under "File". On the window that opens you will see the information for the Rev application and then you check the box for "use Rosetta". Once you do that it will open as it once did by double-clicking on any of your Rev. documents. 

Cheers, 
Sandy Hargrove 


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 13 15:47:36 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:47:36 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 72,
	Issue 18 -- Solution for Problems with Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20090913170004.C1124489791@mail.runrev.com>
	<1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909131247t1864c501qeedc5a983c3a5121@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't there a speed hit running under Rosetta?
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/13 <sandrah9 at comcast.net>

>
> I read a messarge regarding "Problems with Snow Leopard":
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Till Bandi < tbandi at swissonline.ch >
> wrote:
> > I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with a
> double
> > click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog:
> >
> > <<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file. >>
> >
> > If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command, everything
> > works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get the same problem.
>
> I had the same problem, and here is the solution. You need to insert the
> Snow Leopard disc again and load the application "Rosetta" which is included
> separately on the disc. Once loaded, go to your Revolution application and
> click on it but don't open it. While it is highlighted, go to top finder
> menu and select the "Get Information" under "File". On the window that opens
> you will see the information for the Rev application and then you check the
> box for "use Rosetta". Once you do that it will open as it once did by
> double-clicking on any of your Rev. documents.
>
> Cheers,
> Sandy Hargrove
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 13 16:17:59 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:17:59 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 72, Issue 18 -- Solution for Problems
 with Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <4AAD5377.6050406@fourthworld.com>

sandrah9 wrote:

 > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Till Bandi wrote:
 >> I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with
 >> a double click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog:
 >>
 >> <<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file. >>
 >> If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command,
 >> everything works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get
 >> the same problem.
 >
 > I had the same problem, and here is the solution. You need to
 > insert the Snow Leopard disc again and load the application
 > "Rosetta" which is included separately on the disc. Once loaded,
 > go to your Revolution application and click on it but don't open
 > it. While it is highlighted, go to top finder menu and select the
 > "Get Information" under "File". On the window that opens you will
 > see the information for the Rev application and then you check the
 > box for "use Rosetta". Once you do that it will open as it once
 > did by double-clicking on any of your Rev. documents.

I thought the Rev app was in Universal Binary formant, no?

If so, why wouldn't Snow Leopard just ignore the PPC half?

I wonder how many of our own apps may be similarly affected....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 16:27:59 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:27:59 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <251422172890.20090911110059@ahsoftware.net>
References: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
	<E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
	<251422172890.20090911110059@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <E37DA62C-13DF-4814-9A90-E4A94B278ECF@mac.com>

Mark,

We print firstly the labels in advance. After, we stick manually a  
label on each mail.  Then, the number and some mail informations are  
stored in a database.

Le 11 sept. 2009 ? 20:00, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

>
> I'm afraid I still don't understand. Are you not storing the number
> and mail information in a database? Are you simply printing a number
> onto a label? Why not just print up labels ahead of time and use them?
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 16:33:40 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:33:40 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <B3483239-E386-40B9-BE0D-3E38FB4AA42C@qldlearning.com>
References: <c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
	<E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
	<B3483239-E386-40B9-BE0D-3E38FB4AA42C@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <786C633D-2D5A-4D4C-951F-14B861BFB693@mac.com>

Thanks Brian,

That can be a solution.

Le 11 sept. 2009 ? 23:33, Brian Yennie a ?crit :

> Jerome,
>
> Would it work to make each page a separate print job? Then you keep  
> sending print jobs until one fails. The next day you just cancel the  
> last failed job.
> Something like:
>
> Print "5"
> Print "6"
> Print "7"
> FAIL
>
> Next day...
> Print "8"
>
> That way you are not worrying about detecting "out of paper" in the  
> middle of a multipage job. You just wait until a 1 page job fails.
>
>>



From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 16:44:37 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:44:37 +0200
Subject: Printing a series of numbers
In-Reply-To: <25418521.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <BC5F68E6-6313-4FB4-936D-F7B3CB712DB4@mac.com>
	<c24.69a46e24.37dbaa42@aol.com>
	<E94F8EDB-3DF8-4CE8-B42C-FD92D1D22869@mac.com>
	<25418521.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <12ED838F-2A40-4478-9E14-FEF72C3E359E@mac.com>

Thanks Sparkout,

The two solutions which you propose are relevant. I'm going to make a  
"proof of concept" with the first solution and explore the second one.

Thank you very much for the link about WMI. I did not know WMI.

J?r?me

Le 12 sept. 2009 ? 23:49, SparkOut a ?crit :

>
>
> J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Craig and JB.
>>
>> My problem is not to reload the tray but to stop printing the number
>> (and stop increasing numbers) when the tray is empty.
>>
>> I was probably not clear. Sorry for that but english is not my native
>> tongue. In my company we receive approximately 300' 000 mails  
>> during a
>> year.  Currently we number each mail with a label preprinted with a
>> number. And we stick the labels to the hand. So, what I want it is to
>> put all mails received during the day in the tray of the printer and
>> print a number on each mail and when the tray is empty, I need to
>> store the last number in my stack and use this number the following
>> day to start again to number mails.
>>
>> J?r?me
>>
> Ah, I think I get it. You want to print a variable number of serial  
> numbers
> on the documents received, which you have placed in the paper tray  
> of your
> printer. The first serial number should be yesterday's last serial  
> number
> plus 1. So yesterday's range might have been from 19273 to 19411 and  
> today
> should start at 19412 and go through until the documents are out  
> (say there
> were 100, then tomorrow's first document will be numbered 19512).
>
> Easy (ish) way:
> 1) Stack your documents in the paper tray and print 1000 serial  
> numbers onto
> them starting from (say, as above) 19412.
> 2) In the morning, look at the output from the printer and determine  
> that
> the print run ran out at 19511.
> 3) Cancel the outstanding print queue
> 4) Set rev to store 19512 as the new start serial number of the  
> print run.
> 5) Collect up today's documents and put them in the print tray.
> 6) Print 1000 serial numbers onto the documents, starting at the  
> figure
> recorded in step 4.
> 7) Go home
> 8) In the morning look at the output from the printer and determine  
> that the
> print run ran out at 19643.
> 9) Cancel the outstanding print queue.
> 10) Set rev to store 19644 as the new start serial number of the  
> print run.
> 11) onwards, repeating the appropriate steps as necessary.
>
> More technical way - possibly/probably printer/platform dependent:
> Find out what SNMP/html/scripting methods there are for  
> interrogating the
> print queues.
> Some printers have an interface for reporting status, and some OS  
> scripting
> can be employed. I can't give you any pointers about SNMP at all. It  
> may be
> worth checking if you could get any information from the given  
> printer by
> checking in a web browser. If you can, then you could probably use  
> rev to
> get the url of the printer status page, and parse the data returned to
> extract information about the paper situation. If you did this in a  
> repeat
> loop before sending your next serial number print job you could get  
> rev to
> tell whether it is safe to print the next number or wait for your  
> return to
> stack the new lot of documents in the paper tray. If the last print  
> job was
> reported OK and the printer status says paper is not out, then add 1  
> to the
> serial number and print, else exit the repeat loop.
> If on Windows, you could use WMI scripting by getting rev to "do" a  
> vbscript
> with WMI interrogation of the printer status to verify that the last  
> print
> job did not fail and the status is ready and similarly you could put  
> that
> script in the loop and depending on result returned from the WMI
> interrogation, either advance the count and print again or exit the  
> loop and
> wait for you to start again with new documents the next day.
> If on Mac, I imagine there may be something vaguely similar in  
> Applescript,
> or Linux maybe some shell scripting, but I have no idea.
> On Windows, there is some vbscript which you can look at, which  
> shows some
> WMI interrogation on printing (as well as lots of other stuff) here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/guide/sas_prn_overview.mspx?mfr=true
>
> I don't know if any of that is useful, but hope it helps.
> S/O
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sun Sep 13 16:48:04 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:48:04 +0100
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>
References: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <18382892-BA93-469A-8764-5EBAA9C0BD22@lacscentre.co.uk>

I haven't installed Snow Leopard, so can't check this.

I've read that with Snow Leopard, the Finder no longer uses creator  
and type codes as a way of linking files to applications. I'm guessing  
this might have an effect of the result of double-clicking on a file.  
For example, perhaps the Finder is now trying to launch the file with  
an older version of Rev which doesn't recognize the current stack  
format.

Could that explain what you're seeing?

Dave


On 13 Sep 2009, at 03:42, Till Bandi wrote:

> I just installed snow leopard - and now I can't launch a stack with  
> a double click anymore from the finder. I get the dialog:
>
> <<Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file.  
> >>
>
> If I open the same stack within runrev with the open command,  
> everything works as expected. If I "launch" the stack, I get the  
> same problem.
>
> Any idea what goes wrong ?
>
> Till
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 13 18:10:20 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:10:20 -0700
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <18382892-BA93-469A-8764-5EBAA9C0BD22@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <770F333C-040B-4398-91A5-97E8963754E4@swissonline.ch>
	<18382892-BA93-469A-8764-5EBAA9C0BD22@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909131510v4803c7faw2d4e30adb97f9d9b@mail.gmail.com>

As a long time mac user from the beginning, I've always thought the type and
creator codes were VERY useful to eliminate the ambiguity of what to launch
and I put down the PC method of using suffixes as being brain dead. It is
sad to see the Mac OS do another thing to make it more like Windblows. I
registered the codes creator "BARN" and document "rtfd" back in the early
90's. Obviously the second one Apple decided to use anyway for Textedit. (I
had my own rtf format with image references imbedded.) Aren't these things
still relevant? On 2009-09-13, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>
wrote: > I haven't installed Snow Leopard, so can't check this. > > I've
read that with Snow Leopard, the Finder no longer uses creator > and type
codes as a way of linking files to applications. I'm guessing > this might
have an effect of the result of double-clicking on a file. > For example,
perhaps the Finder is now trying to launch the file with > an older version
of Rev which doesn't recognize the current stack > format. > > Could that
explain what you're seeing? > > Dave >


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 13 18:21:32 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:21:32 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>

Ok I've been a Rev user since 2001, and many times I've tried to use the
geometry manager and it will work for a while, then BLAM, add or change
something (like add a new card) , then everything to the right gets wider -
a major mess. This happens sooner or later on EVERY stack I try to use
geometry.

Once in a while someone will mention rev geometry on this list,  and the
pundits will invariably say... "Geometry -- no big deal, just do it yourself
- it's easy. Don't use Rev geometry. "

But the Rev interface has such an intuitive interface to RevGeometry, I
really want to use it. If it's broken, how is it used? If it's in there, why
can't I just use it?

Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? Really, it was working
quite well for many days... now I can't change anything on the stack without
this thing falling apart. I didn't change the size of anything, just tried
to add a new card.

If I have to go "commando" with geometry, does anyone have a guide?

thanks

sqb


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun Sep 13 18:55:50 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:55:50 -0500
Subject: Test
Message-ID: <116617823404368830544371882312914048809-Webmail@me.com>

Having trouble posting to list...sorry for interruption.


From cszasz at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 20:00:23 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CalendarWidget100
Message-ID: <25428570.post@talk.nabble.com>


I have trying for the past few days to call CalendarWidget100 when an user
enters a field (field "date") so the user can click on a date and insert it
into the field. Presently I have a button with the following script to call
CalendarWidget100:

on mouseUp
   put "" into tYear
   put "" into tMonth
   put "" into tDay
   put "" into tDate
   start using stack "calendarWidget100"
  
   put  altAnswerDate(tMonth,tDay,tYear,) into newDate
   put line (item 1 of newDate) of the monthnames  &&  item 2 of
newDate&","&& item 3 of newDate into tNewDate2
   
   get tNewDate2
   #   stop using stack "calendarWidget100"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   put it into fld "date"
end mouseUp

The button script works without any scripting errors.

I have tried the OpenField command in the date field using the code above
but it generates several errors that "private" that are within the
calendarWiget100 that were commented out by Chipp not to bother.

The problem lies with the line which generates errors:

if it is empty then exit mouseUp

I tried the following script:

if it is empty then exit to top 

but that tags Chipp's code.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate!

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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 20:15:30 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:15:30 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17720D16-7554-4B9D-887E-B152E238377F@mac.com>

Stephen,

I've struggled with and successfully used Geometry Manager and agree  
with you that the UI is very inviting.

There are two tricks I've found for making it work better.
	1. If in doubt click "Remove All" at the Geometry UI setting and  
reset it.
	2. If you are using it in comparison with another object, rather than  
the card dimensions, make sure the object is a low level object. I've  
found that you will get strange results this isn't done.

I sure wish Rev would fix the Geometry Manager. It is a stumbling  
block for most new users.

Bill Vlahos

On Sep 13, 2009, at 3:21 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Ok I've been a Rev user since 2001, and many times I've tried to use  
> the
> geometry manager and it will work for a while, then BLAM, add or  
> change
> something (like add a new card) , then everything to the right gets  
> wider -
> a major mess. This happens sooner or later on EVERY stack I try to use
> geometry.
>
> Once in a while someone will mention rev geometry on this list,  and  
> the
> pundits will invariably say... "Geometry -- no big deal, just do it  
> yourself
> - it's easy. Don't use Rev geometry. "
>
> But the Rev interface has such an intuitive interface to  
> RevGeometry, I
> really want to use it. If it's broken, how is it used? If it's in  
> there, why
> can't I just use it?
>
> Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? Really, it was  
> working
> quite well for many days... now I can't change anything on the stack  
> without
> this thing falling apart. I didn't change the size of anything, just  
> tried
> to add a new card.
>
> If I have to go "commando" with geometry, does anyone have a guide?
>
> thanks
>
> sqb
>
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 20:28:17 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:28:17 +1000
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:21 AM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> Ok I've been a Rev user since 2001, and many times I've tried to use the
> geometry manager and it will work for a while, then BLAM, add or change
> something (like add a new card) , then everything to the right gets wider -
> a major mess. This happens sooner or later on EVERY stack I try to use
> geometry.
>
> Once in a while someone will mention rev geometry on this list, ?and the
> pundits will invariably say... "Geometry -- no big deal, just do it yourself
> - it's easy. Don't use Rev geometry. "
>
> But the Rev interface has such an intuitive interface to RevGeometry, I
> really want to use it. If it's broken, how is it used? If it's in there, why
> can't I just use it?
>
> Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? Really, it was working
> quite well for many days... now I can't change anything on the stack without
> this thing falling apart. I didn't change the size of anything, just tried
> to add a new card.
>
> If I have to go "commando" with geometry, does anyone have a guide?

I have a plugin that I use but it is very limited compared to the Rev
Geometry manager. However it works well and is easy to tweak since it
creates editable scripts for you.
I've just uploaded it to my web site, so you can find it at
<http://www.troz.net/rev/>

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 13 20:44:08 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:44:08 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <17720D16-7554-4B9D-887E-B152E238377F@mac.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<17720D16-7554-4B9D-887E-B152E238377F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909131744s2a84997eyd32446971c357186@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/13 Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>

> Stephen,
>
> I've struggled with and successfully used Geometry Manager and agree with
> you that the UI is very inviting.
>
> There are two tricks I've found for making it work better.
>        1. If in doubt click "Remove All" at the Geometry UI setting and
> reset it.
>

of course.



>        2. If you are using it in comparison with another object, rather
> than the card dimensions, make sure the object is a low level object. I've
> found that you will get strange results this isn't done.
>

Not sure what you mean by 'lower level object". How can I make the desired
object relate to the stack/card size?

Also will groups have problems or do they usually stay together ( avoiding
any geometry inside ) ?

Do I have to assure that the 'resizestack' event reaches each object?




>
> I sure wish Rev would fix the Geometry Manager. It is a stumbling block for
> most new users.
>

Well, I"m not new, and it's definitely a stumbling block for me. Thanks
Bill.


>
> Bill Vlahos
>
>


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 20:59:34 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:59:34 +1000
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
Message-ID: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>

Revolution code aficionados,

It is my pleasure to inform you that we have released the tRev editing
environment for Revolution.

Here's what the product does:
- it edits code in a tabbed browser
- it navigates code with handler links
- it auto-completes handlers, vars, keywords
- it sets properties (within the code editor!)
- it browses a crazy-cool object tree
- it lets you debug modelessly
- it shows full, in-context definitions instantly

tRev does all this magic in one clean, uncluttered window that is
devoid of administrative debris. It adds absolutely no data to any of
your objects, but instead keeps a local database of information about
each an object you edit???and what you were doing when you stopped
editing it.

tRev also plays very nicely with Revolution IDE by supporting high
levels of interoperability:
- functionality that doesn't preclude easy access to Rev components
- shortcuts to Revolution's property inspector, message box, menu
builder and application browser
- quick editing of an object's owner

The tRev support site:
- has 33 well illustrated articles
- has 15 video tutorials

tRev support is provided by direct email with its developer, not
through a crazy bug-tracking database. Features and enhancements are
released and explained with video tutorial on most Fridays.

You should click the link below to find out why it's time for change.

http://reveditor.com/should-i-get-in-the-hot-tub

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

==========================

P.S. Jerry is having trouble posting to the list, so I am sending this
for him. Please contact Jerry directly with any questions at
<jerry at reveditor.com>.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 22:36:48 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:36:48 +0800
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

> P.S. Jerry is having trouble posting to the list, so I am sending this
> for him. Please contact Jerry directly with any questions at
> <jerry at reveditor.com>.
> _______________________________________________
>

Glad you explained that. I started reading the announcement and immediately
thought to myself. Wait a minute... Sarah's now working for Jerry??. First
it was Trevor, now Sarah..., Jacque will be next, followed by Richard; the
coup would then be complete ;-) Now that would be a Revolution ;-)


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 13 22:56:53 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:56:53 -0700
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
Message-ID: <4AADB0F5.1080304@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:

> As a long time mac user from the beginning, I've always thought the type and
> creator codes were VERY useful to eliminate the ambiguity of what to launch
> and I put down the PC method of using suffixes as being brain dead.

Apparently the Mac team did too, as we learned loudly when the NeXT team 
followed Steve back to Apple and tried to get rid of creator codes in 
their new OS X under the argument that they were unnecessary.

This internal turf war was mirrored by developers on Apple's UI 
developer mailing list.

For all the many years Apple has been hosting discussion lists for 
developers, to the best of my knowledge the UI list was shut down only 
once, and that was over this issue.

The outcry from people like you about the merit of creator codes was 
sweeping and furious, yet the NeXTites felt secure knowing that since 
they had been loyal with Steve all this time their opinion would 
ultimately prevail.

Among developers on the UI list this issue caused a flame war so great 
the list was taken offline for quite a while, and it was many months 
(more than a year IIRC) before it was resurrected.

Now, all these many years later, Apple is at last losing this 
once-valuable bit of metadata.

If there is comfort in this otherwise sad passing, it's for us 
multi-platform developers:

With every step Apple takes to eliminate differences between OSes, the 
less forked code we need to write.  As they decrease their unique value, 
they increase ours. :)

If only the world's OS vendors would come to common agreement on the 
placement of dialog buttons....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 13 23:00:48 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:00:48 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
Message-ID: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> P.S. Jerry is having trouble posting to the list, so I am sending this
>> for him. Please contact Jerry directly with any questions at
>> <jerry at reveditor.com>.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
> 
> Glad you explained that. I started reading the announcement and immediately
> thought to myself. Wait a minute... Sarah's now working for Jerry??. First
> it was Trevor, now Sarah..., Jacque will be next, followed by Richard; the
> coup would then be complete ;-) Now that would be a Revolution ;-)

But Jacque and I already work for Andre, who's in discussions to be 
acquired by Ken Ray, who is already a subsidiary of Klaus Major.

Klaus may be soft-spoken, but he's secretly the kingpin of the entire 
Rev universe. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 23:10:15 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:10:15 +0800
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909132010p479a9b44lc98a186e8ba757ae@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> I've just uploaded it to my web site, so you can find it at
> <http://www.troz.net/rev/>
>
> Sorry for taking this OT. Sarah, very nice uncluttered website but I notice
that at the bottom it states:

This page was last modified on: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:35:00 +0000 (Local time:
Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:35:00 +1000)

Yet you've clearly just added new content and there are two other entries
after 13 Aug.  I'm apprehensive when I enter the 'cob-web' - page last
modified 1999, as I'm probably wasting my time with outdated material. My
pet peeve is pages with no date at all! Much perfer to stay in the
'living-web' and am always happy with pages with this year's date on it, get
excited with this month, and am about as close as I'll ever get to winning
the lottery if it has today's date :-))

Bringing it back to topic, I guess what we need is an uncluttered, no
frills, it just works... gRev - Jerry?


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 23:19:32 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:19:32 +0800
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909132019o50cf5828r7e2c864495b1f04a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

>
> But Jacque and I already work for Andre, who's in discussions to be
> acquired by Ken Ray, who is already a subsidiary of Klaus Major.
>
> Klaus may be soft-spoken, but he's secretly the kingpin of the entire Rev
> universe. :)
>
> Man... I turn my back for a month,....

Forget the economic downturn, Vive La Revolution, just let me know when the
IPO is ;-)


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 13 23:41:29 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:41:29 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
Message-ID: <4AADBB69.6070908@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:

> Ok I've been a Rev user since 2001, and many times I've tried to use the
> geometry manager and it will work for a while, then BLAM, add or change
> something (like add a new card) , then everything to the right gets wider -
> a major mess. This happens sooner or later on EVERY stack I try to use
> geometry.
> 
> Once in a while someone will mention rev geometry on this list,  and the
> pundits will invariably say... "Geometry -- no big deal, just do it yourself
> - it's easy. Don't use Rev geometry. "
> 
> But the Rev interface has such an intuitive interface to RevGeometry, I
> really want to use it. If it's broken, how is it used? If it's in there, why
> can't I just use it?

You can, but only when it does what you want.

If you've ever set out to make a tool like the Geometry Manager, or even 
just stayed up late thinking about how you would make one, it wouldn't 
be long before you'd stumble into the reasons why such a thing can only 
be used on a subset of possible layouts.

And while it's never been prohibitively onerous to write one's own 
resizeStack handlers, with Rev 3.5 this got radically simpler:

Groups now get a resizeControl message *whenever* their rect is changes, 
*even by script*.

If a layout is complete enough to be cumbersome to write a resizeStack 
handler for, chances are some or even most of those controls exist 
within groups which act as either custom controls or panes.

With v3.5 all you need to do now is have your resizeStack handler set 
the rect for each group, and then you can write the code that adjusts 
controls within the group in the group's script itself, keeping the 
logic simple and the code portable should you decide to use that group 
elsewhere.

Sure, I like the idea of the Geometry Manager as much as the next fella, 
and it may be possible to craft a UI and supporting code that would work 
in all possible circumstances some day.  But while we wait for that 
perfect solution, when the Geometry Manaager does what you need by all 
means use it, but if you bump into one of its wall you can still move 
your work forward with the confidence that you can get optimal 
performance and precise control over every aspect of your layout in just 
a few minutes by typing a resizeStack handler.

It may seem like more work, and perhaps may be in some cases, but maybe 
it really just illustrates the differences between point-and-click 
authoring systems like IconAuthor and scripting-based systems like Rev.

Like Bill Appleton (who wrote one of the first icon-based systems, 
CourseBuilder, and later went on to write SuperCard), said of 
point-and-click authoring systems and why he abandoned CourseBuilder to 
make SuperCard, "It's just hard to be as expressive as you can be with a 
scripting language."

How much more work is it to type rather than click anyway? Consider this 
example I posted in response to David Epstein's question on the 9th 
about multi-pane UIs:

<http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/splitter-experiment.rev>

All it does it resize four groups using two buttons as splitters. 
Simple stuff.

How long would it take to figure out how to use the GM for that?
It took only a minute or two to script.

The GM is handy for many things, but it's also good to know you can also 
handle the resizeStack message directly yourself when you need to.

Use whatever works.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 23:47:11 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:47:11 +1000
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160909132010p479a9b44lc98a186e8ba757ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909132010p479a9b44lc98a186e8ba757ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909132047k5d70a21embe91122f27297757@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> I've just uploaded it to my web site, so you can find it at
>> <http://www.troz.net/rev/>
>>
>> Sorry for taking this OT. Sarah, very nice uncluttered website but I notice
> that at the bottom it states:
>
> This page was last modified on: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:35:00 +0000 (Local time:
> Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:35:00 +1000)
>
> Yet you've clearly just added new content and there are two other entries
> after 13 Aug. ?I'm apprehensive when I enter the 'cob-web' - page last
> modified 1999, as I'm probably wasting my time with outdated material. My
> pet peeve is pages with no date at all! Much perfer to stay in the
> 'living-web' and am always happy with pages with this year's date on it, get
> excited with this month, and am about as close as I'll ever get to winning
> the lottery if it has today's date :-))


Yes, there is a flaw in my setup there. This site is all done using
irev and the modification date comes from the date of the main file
itself. The list of  stacks is gathered from other files on the fly,
so the latest date of that is not shown. What I need to do is "touch"
the main file whenever a new stack is uploaded, so that the mod date
matches the latest stack update.

Thanks for pointing that out Kay. Now all I have to do is work out a
way for that to happen automatically.
And I need to apply similar logic to my On-Rev page.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 23:57:52 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:57:52 +0800
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909132047k5d70a21embe91122f27297757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909132010p479a9b44lc98a186e8ba757ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909132047k5d70a21embe91122f27297757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909132057y6aae6701rf33ce842bb7a322c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Sarah Reichelt
<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:


> Now all I have to do is work out a
> way for that to happen automatically.
> And I need to apply similar logic to my On-Rev page.
>
> And include the nitty-gritty on your wonderful On-Rev -> Scripts Examples
page. Pretty please :-)


From edljr at mac.com  Mon Sep 14 00:11:56 2009
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:11:56 -0500
Subject: Counting Lines of Code
In-Reply-To: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ACB06109-35C0-4A21-9C38-08E34C3F5636@mac.com>

Does anyone know an way that I can count the total lines of code in a  
stack that has numerous substacks and handlers assigned to objects,  
cards, and stacks? I have tried using the Revolution Script Reporter,  
but it chokes on stacks of significant size.

Thanks,
Ed Lavieri




From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Sep 14 00:57:32 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:57:32 -0700
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <4AADB0F5.1080304@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AADB0F5.1080304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9F7B0C65-57E5-409D-A084-793A6DFB67E7@jhj.com>

On Sep 13, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> With every step Apple takes to eliminate differences between OSes,  
> the less forked code we need to write. As they decrease their unique  
> value, they increase ours. :)

Very quotable! Thanks, Richard.
--Jerry J



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 01:22:11 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:22:11 +1000
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160909132057y6aae6701rf33ce842bb7a322c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909132010p479a9b44lc98a186e8ba757ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909132047k5d70a21embe91122f27297757@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909132057y6aae6701rf33ce842bb7a322c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909132222r5ad954bcucc592dd701ad1b3b@mail.gmail.com>

>> Now all I have to do is work out a
>> way for that to happen automatically.
>> And I need to apply similar logic to my On-Rev page.
>>
>> And include the nitty-gritty on your wonderful On-Rev -> Scripts Examples
> page. Pretty please :-)

<http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/touch.irev>

This is an interactive example, so check out the script for how it works.
For my purposes, I have a stack that assembles data about my stacks
(keywords, description etc) and uploads the text files my site needs
to display them. This stack now calls a file on the site that uses the
touch command to update the modification date of the file it is given.
It works exactly like the example, except it uses the $_GET array to
work out what file to touch, and it doesn't display all the details.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 02:16:47 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:16:47 +0800
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909132222r5ad954bcucc592dd701ad1b3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909132010p479a9b44lc98a186e8ba757ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909132047k5d70a21embe91122f27297757@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909132057y6aae6701rf33ce842bb7a322c@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909132222r5ad954bcucc592dd701ad1b3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909132316u3d0802d9q9dc3a48cf00f622a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/touch.irev>
>
> This is an interactive example,


Two thumbs up :-)

Thanks


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 02:18:35 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:18:35 +0800
Subject: Counting Lines of Code
In-Reply-To: <ACB06109-35C0-4A21-9C38-08E34C3F5636@mac.com>
References: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<ACB06109-35C0-4A21-9C38-08E34C3F5636@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909132318p6010cb4cn13cb0620b20d1830@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr <edljr at mac.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know an way that I can count the total lines of code in a stack
> that has numerous substacks and handlers assigned to objects, cards, and
> stacks? I have tried using the Revolution Script Reporter, but it chokes on
> stacks of significant size.
>

Chipp Walter's AltStats does that. It's a very old pluggin, been around
since 1.1 I think, but it still works with 3.5. Not only does it count
lines, but words, chars, buttons, images, fields and groups, and gives the
data broken down as individual objects, per card, per sub-stack, per stack
and as a Grand Total. I'd like to give you a link but I went to Chipp's site
but I couldn't find it. So here's his site:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm

up in the top left corner is a contact link so you can email him and ask for
directions.

On the other hand, you could just roll your own. Not functional, but here's
a stepping stone (or two):

--probably need to declare a script local variable to keep track of your
tallies
local lOutput

put the openstacks into tOpenStacks
--don't need any of the rev stacks listed
filter tOpenStacks without "rev*"
filter tOpenStacks without "message*"
sort tOpenStacks

--assuming you're using an Option Button
set the text of button "SelectStack" to tOpenStacks


--inside your Option Button "SelectStack" you could have
ON menuPick pChosenStack
 put the substacks of stack pChosenStack into tSubStacks
 IF (tSubStacks <> empty) THEN
  put pChosenStack & cr & tSubStacks after tStackNames
 ELSE
  put pChosenStack into tStackNames
 END IF
 REPEAT FOR each line tStack in tStackNames
  REPEAT WITH tCard = 1 to the number of cards of stack tStack
   REPEAT WITH tControl = 1 to the number of controls of card tCard of stack
tStack
    IF (the script of control tControl of card tCard of stack tStack <>
empty) THEN
     --once here you can do anything you like, count lines, words, chars etc
etc
     --myCustomHandler the script of control tControl
    END IF
   END repeat --end control repeat
   --after doing all the scripts of each control on a card we need to do the
script of the card
   IF (the script of card tCard of stack tStack <> empty) THEN
    --basically do exactly the same as above
    --myCustomHandler the script of card tCard
   END IF
  END repeat -- end card repeat
  --after doing all the scripts of each card we need to do the script of the
stack
  IF (the script of stack tStack <> empty) THEN
   --basically do exactly the same as above
   --myCustomHandler the script of stack tStack
  END IF
 END repeat --end stack repeat
END menuPick

ON myCustomHandler pTheScript
 --do whatever you need to
 --use the local variable lOutput so data is not
 --lost as you pop in and out of this handler
 put myNewData & cr AFTER lOutput
END myCustomHandler

HTH


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Mon Sep 14 02:18:11 2009
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:18:11 +0200
Subject: Two questions about trev
Message-ID: <C3E55EF5-A671-4B76-8496-C465F45199D1@laposte.net>

Hello,

1- What versions of Revolution are compatible with trev ? (i've 2.9.1)
2- It is possible to have a "tree" view in the code to reduce or  
extend loop like "if?else?end if" or "switch?case?end switch" ? It  
could be cool to verify the structure of the code when you have a lot  
of imbricated loop.

Thx

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep 14 02:31:01 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:31:01 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909131728x68ae38a6xc151249796d1c153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909132331k45de5942x15f13e5f545b0b66@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sarah, I'll try this out....
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev



> I have a plugin that I use but it is very limited compared to the Rev
> Geometry manager. However it works well and is easy to tweak since it
> creates editable scripts for you.
> I've just uploaded it to my web site, so you can find it at
> <http://www.troz.net/rev/>
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
>


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Sep 14 03:36:33 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:36:33 +0200
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <116A30F3-7DC9-4830-A6BE-6524645E5D57@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

> Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at  
>> gmail.com>wrote:
>>> P.S. Jerry is having trouble posting to the list, so I am sending  
>>> this
>>> for him. Please contact Jerry directly with any questions at
>>> <jerry at reveditor.com>.
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Glad you explained that. I started reading the announcement and  
>> immediately
>> thought to myself. Wait a minute... Sarah's now working for  
>> Jerry??. First
>> it was Trevor, now Sarah..., Jacque will be next, followed by  
>> Richard; the
>> coup would then be complete ;-) Now that would be a Revolution ;-)
>
> But Jacque and I already work for Andre, who's in discussions to be  
> acquired by Ken Ray, who is already a subsidiary of Klaus Major.
> Klaus may be soft-spoken, but he's secretly the kingpin of the  
> entire Rev universe. :)

Someone called my name?

Are you makig fun at me, you MORTALS?

Know that this might lead to eternal damnation via a never escapable  
"Answer Dialog" within a "repeat loop"!
You don't want that! :-D

> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Mon Sep 14 04:03:00 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:03:00 +0200
Subject: How to get last stored record (SOLite) twice?
Message-ID: <6DAE07E9-032C-42F1-984F-8DDE4C508AF2@macbay.de>

Hi!

I store text (Karten_Daten) and images in two different tables of a  
SQLite-Database.
I need the ID of the last stored record of the text to allocate the  
images.
Therefore I use "SELECT MAX(KartenID) FROM Karten_Daten"

Somethimes I get a number, the ID, but sometimes I get "false".
I tested a lot of code and then I found this strange thing:

When send the following code twice on after another to my database I  
got different answers:

    put "SELECT MAX(KartenID) FROM Karten_Daten" into tSQL
    put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSQL) into tlastCDimp1
    answer tlastCDimp1

    put "SELECT MAX(KartenID) FROM Karten_Daten" into tSQL
    put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSQL) into tlastCDimp2
    answer tlastCDimp2
    	
in the first case tlastCDimp contains a number, but in the second time  
tlastCDimp: "false"

The most strange experience is, that among the hundreds of test I  
made, there had been about two or three where tLastCDimp shows a  
number in both cases. :-(

I do not understand it!

Reinhold

PS: I use a Mac with Snow Leopard. Do this has any influence?


From david at architex.tv  Mon Sep 14 04:20:33 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:20:33 +0100
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <9F7B0C65-57E5-409D-A084-793A6DFB67E7@jhj.com>
References: <4AADB0F5.1080304@fourthworld.com>
	<9F7B0C65-57E5-409D-A084-793A6DFB67E7@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909140120j18a82ae0kdc133a9d14f42e85@mail.gmail.com>

In another context my mother once told me go for compatibility over beauty
any time :)

2009/9/14 Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com>

> On Sep 13, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>  With every step Apple takes to eliminate differences between OSes, the
>> less forked code we need to write. As they decrease their unique value, they
>> increase ours. :)
>>
>
> Very quotable! Thanks, Richard.
>

Seems like the detailed files no longer returns filetype info in Snow
Leopard. Wandering how to get this - would it not be good if the engine
moved over to using spotlight for OSX? I guess according to the above
principle not :)

I've an untested sketch of a handler - I'll post here that tries to get
basic file types - that is map a file path to one of the data types rev can
display - image, player, text, text. Text could be broken down to htmltext,
rtftext, text and unicode. Does anyone have any handlers for this -
suggestions regarding cross platform techniques?

function file_GetType filePath
>    switch the platform
>       case "MacOS"
>          --get file_DetailedInfo (filePath)
>          -- put item 11 of it into fType
>          put spotlight_Kind (filePath) into fType
>          return word -1 of fType
>       case "Win32"
>          put offset(".",filePath) into tChar
>          if tChar <> 0 then
>             put char tChar to length(filePath) of filePath into text
>             put
> queryregistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&(queryregistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&tExt&
> "\")) & "\") into tType
>          else
>             put "" into tType
>             put "" into text
>          end if
>          if tType = "" then
>             if text <> "" then
>                delete char 1 of text  -- remove "."
>                put toupper(tExt) && "File" into tType
>             else
>                put "File" into tType
>             end if
>          end if
>          return filePath & numtochar(9) & tType
>       default
>          return empty
>    end switch
> end file_GetType
>
> function spotlight_Kind someFile
>    put spotlight_GetAttribute(someFile, "kMDItemKind") into someKind
>    put word 1 to - 1 of someKind into someKind
>    delete char 1 of someKind
>    delete char -1 of someKind
>    return someKind
> end spotlight_Kind
>
> function spotlight_GetAttribute someFile, attributeName
>     put spotlight_FileInfo(someFile) into spotlightFileInfo
>     return spotlight_ExtractAttribute(spotlightFileInfo, attributeName)
> end spotlight_GetAttribute
>
> function spotlight_FileInfo someFile
>     put "mdls" into someShell
>     if someFile is not empty then
>         shell_BashParamEscape someFile
>         put space & someFile after someShell
>     end if
>     get shell(someShell)
>     -- delete line 1 of it
>     return line 2 to -1 of it
> end spotlight_FileInfo
>
> function spotlight_ExtractAttribute spotlightFileInfo, attributeName
>     if char 1 to 7 of attributeName is not "kMDItem" then put "kMDItem"
> before attributeName
>     put "(?im)" &  attributeName & " += +(.*)" into someReg
>     if matchtext(spotlightFileInfo, someReg, someValue) is true then
>         return someValue
>     else
>         return empty
>     end if
> end spotlight_ExtractAttribute
>
> on shell_BashParamEscape @someParam
>     put word 1 to -1 of someParam into someParam
>     if text_IsQuoted(someParam) is false then
>         replace space with ("\" & space) in someParam
>         replace "|" with ("\" & "|") in someParam
>     end if
> end shell_BashParamEscape
>
> function text_IsQuoted someText
>     put "(?m)['" & quote & "]" into someQuote
>     put someQuote & ".*" & someQuote & "$" into someReg
>     return matchchunk (someText, someReg)
> end text_IsQuoted
>


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 04:27:50 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:27:50 +0100
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/14 Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>

Glad you explained that. I started reading the announcement and immediately
> thought to myself. Wait a minute... Sarah's now working for Jerry??. First
> it was Trevor, now Sarah..., Jacque will be next, followed by Richard...


Always wandered inf tRev had any link to Trevor - or should that be tRevor?


From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Mon Sep 14 07:51:36 2009
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (dam-pro.girard at laposte.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:51:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15080812.15920.1252929096567.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402>

Hi Stephen,

I used the Revolution Geometry manager a long time ago, and when I saw all my objects doing crazy things, I stopped to use it.

NativeSpeak has a "strict geometry manager", for cross-platform rendering and to make objects to fit their content without breaking the GUI. (French sentences are a bit longer than english :) )

BTW, I understand that not all developper requires the complete NativeSpeak tool, (Localization + Geometry), and that's why for NativeSpeak 2.0 (that is in development) the geometry manager will be available separatly.

More info about NativeSpeak and its Geometry manager:
http://www.dam-pro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78&Itemid=113

Kind Regards,
Damien Girard
Dam-pro, France.

Note about NativeSpeak 2.0: For all NativeSpeak 1.x owners, the update to NativeSpeak 2.0 will be free.

> Message du 14/09/09 00:21
> De : "stephen barncard"
> A : "How to use Revolution"
> Copie ? :
> Objet : The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
>
>
> Ok I've been a Rev user since 2001, and many times I've tried to use the
> geometry manager and it will work for a while, then BLAM, add or change
> something (like add a new card) , then everything to the right gets wider -
> a major mess. This happens sooner or later on EVERY stack I try to use
> geometry.
>
> Once in a while someone will mention rev geometry on this list, and the
> pundits will invariably say... "Geometry -- no big deal, just do it yourself
> - it's easy. Don't use Rev geometry. "
>
> But the Rev interface has such an intuitive interface to RevGeometry, I
> really want to use it. If it's broken, how is it used? If it's in there, why
> can't I just use it?
>
> Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? Really, it was working
> quite well for many days... now I can't change anything on the stack without
> this thing falling apart. I didn't change the size of anything, just tried
> to add a new card.
>
> If I have to go "commando" with geometry, does anyone have a guide?
>
> thanks
>
> sqb
>
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
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From edljr at mac.com  Mon Sep 14 09:19:54 2009
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:19:54 -0500
Subject: Counting Lines of Code
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160909132318p6010cb4cn13cb0620b20d1830@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<ACB06109-35C0-4A21-9C38-08E34C3F5636@mac.com>
	<f73a98160909132318p6010cb4cn13cb0620b20d1830@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB203147-5233-4ACD-BBA1-BBA6FAF89E09@mac.com>

Thanks, Kay.

I will give this a go.

Ed

On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr  
> <edljr at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know an way that I can count the total lines of code in  
>> a stack
>> that has numerous substacks and handlers assigned to objects,  
>> cards, and
>> stacks? I have tried using the Revolution Script Reporter, but it  
>> chokes on
>> stacks of significant size.
>>
>
> Chipp Walter's AltStats does that. It's a very old pluggin, been  
> around
> since 1.1 I think, but it still works with 3.5. Not only does it count
> lines, but words, chars, buttons, images, fields and groups, and  
> gives the
> data broken down as individual objects, per card, per sub-stack, per  
> stack
> and as a Grand Total. I'd like to give you a link but I went to  
> Chipp's site
> but I couldn't find it. So here's his site:
>
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm
>
> up in the top left corner is a contact link so you can email him and  
> ask for
> directions.
>
> On the other hand, you could just roll your own. Not functional, but  
> here's
> a stepping stone (or two):
>
> --probably need to declare a script local variable to keep track of  
> your
> tallies
> local lOutput
>
> put the openstacks into tOpenStacks
> --don't need any of the rev stacks listed
> filter tOpenStacks without "rev*"
> filter tOpenStacks without "message*"
> sort tOpenStacks
>
> --assuming you're using an Option Button
> set the text of button "SelectStack" to tOpenStacks
>
>
> --inside your Option Button "SelectStack" you could have
> ON menuPick pChosenStack
> put the substacks of stack pChosenStack into tSubStacks
> IF (tSubStacks <> empty) THEN
>  put pChosenStack & cr & tSubStacks after tStackNames
> ELSE
>  put pChosenStack into tStackNames
> END IF
> REPEAT FOR each line tStack in tStackNames
>  REPEAT WITH tCard = 1 to the number of cards of stack tStack
>   REPEAT WITH tControl = 1 to the number of controls of card tCard  
> of stack
> tStack
>    IF (the script of control tControl of card tCard of stack tStack <>
> empty) THEN
>     --once here you can do anything you like, count lines, words,  
> chars etc
> etc
>     --myCustomHandler the script of control tControl
>    END IF
>   END repeat --end control repeat
>   --after doing all the scripts of each control on a card we need to  
> do the
> script of the card
>   IF (the script of card tCard of stack tStack <> empty) THEN
>    --basically do exactly the same as above
>    --myCustomHandler the script of card tCard
>   END IF
>  END repeat -- end card repeat
>  --after doing all the scripts of each card we need to do the script  
> of the
> stack
>  IF (the script of stack tStack <> empty) THEN
>   --basically do exactly the same as above
>   --myCustomHandler the script of stack tStack
>  END IF
> END repeat --end stack repeat
> END menuPick
>
> ON myCustomHandler pTheScript
> --do whatever you need to
> --use the local variable lOutput so data is not
> --lost as you pop in and out of this handler
> put myNewData & cr AFTER lOutput
> END myCustomHandler
>
> HTH
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 14 09:31:57 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:31:57 -0300
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909140631s3ced0f76y6378b755d51a99f6@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow shareholders,
I came to inform that I've been acquired by Ken Ray for am undisclosed
amount of beer, cheese and chocolate.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>  On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at
>> gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>  P.S. Jerry is having trouble posting to the list, so I am sending this
>>> for him. Please contact Jerry directly with any questions at
>>> <jerry at reveditor.com>.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>> Glad you explained that. I started reading the announcement and
>> immediately
>> thought to myself. Wait a minute... Sarah's now working for Jerry??. First
>> it was Trevor, now Sarah..., Jacque will be next, followed by Richard; the
>> coup would then be complete ;-) Now that would be a Revolution ;-)
>>
>
> But Jacque and I already work for Andre, who's in discussions to be
> acquired by Ken Ray, who is already a subsidiary of Klaus Major.
>
> Klaus may be soft-spoken, but he's secretly the kingpin of the entire Rev
> universe. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
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From edljr at mac.com  Mon Sep 14 09:37:08 2009
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:37:08 -0500
Subject: Counting Lines of Code
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160909132318p6010cb4cn13cb0620b20d1830@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1968539587.713281252870283912.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<ACB06109-35C0-4A21-9C38-08E34C3F5636@mac.com>
	<f73a98160909132318p6010cb4cn13cb0620b20d1830@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B02419EF-FACE-4391-8D52-9AA6077C0EAF@mac.com>

Kay, thanks for the lead.

I found Chipp's excellent plugin at: http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altStats.rev

It really is nifty.

Best,
Ed

On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr  
> <edljr at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know an way that I can count the total lines of code in  
>> a stack
>> that has numerous substacks and handlers assigned to objects,  
>> cards, and
>> stacks? I have tried using the Revolution Script Reporter, but it  
>> chokes on
>> stacks of significant size.
>>
>
> Chipp Walter's AltStats does that. It's a very old pluggin, been  
> around
> since 1.1 I think, but it still works with 3.5. Not only does it count
> lines, but words, chars, buttons, images, fields and groups, and  
> gives the
> data broken down as individual objects, per card, per sub-stack, per  
> stack
> and as a Grand Total. I'd like to give you a link but I went to  
> Chipp's site
> but I couldn't find it. So here's his site:
>
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm
>
> up in the top left corner is a contact link so you can email him and  
> ask for
> directions.
>
> On the other hand, you could just roll your own. Not functional, but  
> here's
> a stepping stone (or two):
>
> --probably need to declare a script local variable to keep track of  
> your
> tallies
> local lOutput
>
> put the openstacks into tOpenStacks
> --don't need any of the rev stacks listed
> filter tOpenStacks without "rev*"
> filter tOpenStacks without "message*"
> sort tOpenStacks
>
> --assuming you're using an Option Button
> set the text of button "SelectStack" to tOpenStacks
>
>
> --inside your Option Button "SelectStack" you could have
> ON menuPick pChosenStack
> put the substacks of stack pChosenStack into tSubStacks
> IF (tSubStacks <> empty) THEN
>  put pChosenStack & cr & tSubStacks after tStackNames
> ELSE
>  put pChosenStack into tStackNames
> END IF
> REPEAT FOR each line tStack in tStackNames
>  REPEAT WITH tCard = 1 to the number of cards of stack tStack
>   REPEAT WITH tControl = 1 to the number of controls of card tCard  
> of stack
> tStack
>    IF (the script of control tControl of card tCard of stack tStack <>
> empty) THEN
>     --once here you can do anything you like, count lines, words,  
> chars etc
> etc
>     --myCustomHandler the script of control tControl
>    END IF
>   END repeat --end control repeat
>   --after doing all the scripts of each control on a card we need to  
> do the
> script of the card
>   IF (the script of card tCard of stack tStack <> empty) THEN
>    --basically do exactly the same as above
>    --myCustomHandler the script of card tCard
>   END IF
>  END repeat -- end card repeat
>  --after doing all the scripts of each card we need to do the script  
> of the
> stack
>  IF (the script of stack tStack <> empty) THEN
>   --basically do exactly the same as above
>   --myCustomHandler the script of stack tStack
>  END IF
> END repeat --end stack repeat
> END menuPick
>
> ON myCustomHandler pTheScript
> --do whatever you need to
> --use the local variable lOutput so data is not
> --lost as you pop in and out of this handler
> put myNewData & cr AFTER lOutput
> END myCustomHandler
>
> HTH
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 09:50:38 2009
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:50:38 +0800
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <15080812.15920.1252929096567.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402>
References: <e5e009d70909131521kbe811a8k3363302e8f0484d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<15080812.15920.1252929096567.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70909140650j377cbd85j572ae5ad60a84eb9@mail.gmail.com>

Altuit has a good free geometry manager plugin on their resources page
- 'altlayout manager' , I use it and it writes most of the code for ya
, thanks Chipp

>>
>> If I have to go "commando" with geometry, does anyone have a guide?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> sqb
>>
>>


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Sep 14 09:54:29 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:54:29 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <C3E55EF5-A671-4B76-8496-C465F45199D1@laposte.net>
References: <C3E55EF5-A671-4B76-8496-C465F45199D1@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <B097D26E-767C-473D-8A7C-CEE15F1C3456@me.com>

Ludovic,

I just tested tRev with Rev 2.8, 2.9, 3.0 and it worked fine. I had  
some unused 3.5-specific code I had to neglected to remove, but now  
that it's gone, the updated (just now) version of tRev tested well  
will those versions.

I did a tree view of the code that worked on handlers and other  
control structures. It just didn't hold up very well when scripts got  
sizable. Also, dealing with the many variations of if-then-else was  
not pleasant. I've still got code stubs in tRev to do folding,  
actually, but I tend to think it is a case of rubbing revolution's fur  
the wrong way. I've come to think it's not an ideal fit for the nature  
of the language or the text editing nature of the editing environs.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> 1- What versions of Revolution are compatible with trev ? (i've 2.9.1)
> 2- It is possible to have a "tree" view in the code to reduce or  
> extend loop like "if?else?end if" or "switch?case?end switch" ? It  
> could be cool to verify the structure of the code when you have a  
> lot of imbricated loop.
>
> Thx_______________________________________________
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 14 10:37:30 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:37:30 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <B097D26E-767C-473D-8A7C-CEE15F1C3456@me.com>
References: <C3E55EF5-A671-4B76-8496-C465F45199D1@laposte.net>
	<B097D26E-767C-473D-8A7C-CEE15F1C3456@me.com>
Message-ID: <7456178421.20090914073730@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:54:29 AM, you wrote:

> I did a tree view of the code that worked on handlers and other
> control structures. It just didn't hold up very well when scripts got
> sizable. Also, dealing with the many variations of if-then-else was
> not pleasant. I've still got code stubs in tRev to do folding,  
> actually, but I tend to think it is a case of rubbing revolution's fur
> the wrong way. I've come to think it's not an ideal fit for the nature
> of the language or the text editing nature of the editing environs.

Not sure that I completely agree here, at least with the "nature of
the language" part. Obviously you don't want to mess with the script
itselfe, but for long handlers (come on, we've all got them) it's
often hard to find the matching "end if" statement for an "if",
especially if they're nested three or four levels deep. Folding is a
way to indicate that, but there are other visual indicators that work
as well: option-click or something on the start of a conditional to
highlight the end statement, etc.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Mon Sep 14 11:00:58 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:00:58 +0200
Subject: How to get last stored record (SOLite) twice?
In-Reply-To: <6DAE07E9-032C-42F1-984F-8DDE4C508AF2@macbay.de>
References: <6DAE07E9-032C-42F1-984F-8DDE4C508AF2@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <226258C8-2477-4308-81CD-8CF36747BC5C@macbay.de>

Hi!

I found the mistake myself:

In my script is the code

handleRevDBerror tTmp
    if the result is not empty then
       answer warning the result
   end if

but I forgot the handler:

on handleRevDBerror p
    switch
       case item 1 of p is "revdberr"
          return "revDB Error: " & p
          break
       case "syntax error" is in p
          return "Database Error: " & p
          break
    end switch
end handleRevDBerror

The result wasn't empty, but Revolution did not know what to do.

Thanks
Reinhold


> I store text (Karten_Daten) and images in two different tables of a  
> SQLite-Database.
> I need the ID of the last stored record of the text to allocate the  
> images.
> Therefore I use "SELECT MAX(KartenID) FROM Karten_Daten"
>
> Somethimes I get a number, the ID, but sometimes I get "false".
> I tested a lot of code and then I found this strange thing:
>
> When send the following code twice on after another to my database I  
> got different answers:
>
>   put "SELECT MAX(KartenID) FROM Karten_Daten" into tSQL
>   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSQL) into tlastCDimp1
>   answer tlastCDimp1
>
>   put "SELECT MAX(KartenID) FROM Karten_Daten" into tSQL
>   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSQL) into tlastCDimp2
>   answer tlastCDimp2
>   	
> in the first case tlastCDimp contains a number, but in the second  
> time tlastCDimp: "false"
>
> The most strange experience is, that among the hundreds of test I  
> made, there had been about two or three where tLastCDimp shows a  
> number in both cases. :-(
>
> I do not understand it!
>
> Reinhold
>
> PS: I use a Mac with Snow Leopard. Do this has any influence?



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Sep 14 11:03:47 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:03:47 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <7456178421.20090914073730@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C3E55EF5-A671-4B76-8496-C465F45199D1@laposte.net>
	<B097D26E-767C-473D-8A7C-CEE15F1C3456@me.com>
	<7456178421.20090914073730@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <DB1BE69F-94CB-423C-9601-96EFB10053AA@me.com>

Mark, et al.,

I do think that there is a conceptual model of what a script is: a  
single body of text. Inserting folders into the code REALLY slows down  
rendering. We have links in our code now, I found embedded folder  
images made script rendering slow. Super slow.

Furthermore, the nature of the script that i think is antithetical is  
the flexibility of rev talk. How many ways can you write if-then- 
else's? Lots. I've actually tried and used folders in rev scripts and  
it wasn't as rewarding as I would have thought.

HOWEVER...

I've often thought it would be cool to make scripts into collections  
of handlers, with each handler as a component of a script. I made a  
script editor were the script was a group of handlers. Literally a  
group as in the object "group." THAT was interesting. And that  
interests me. Each handler as it's own record. The ability to share  
handlers, reuse handlers, etc. comes into play. But that also removes  
the prose nature of a natural language. Would declarations follow a  
handler? Dependencies on other handlers? Comments belonging to handlers.

What I always find myself bumping up against is the nature of the  
language. Will my model go with or against that nature? Watch Bill  
Atkinson talk about HyperCard and HyperTalk in some of the old video.  
It's fascinating. His perception of the nature of HyperCard and  
HyperTalk are very simple.

In the end, I tend to go back to Bill's models, as they are also now  
the most modern outlook on app building: small and simple. Therefore,  
I tend to NOT complexify scripting any more than I have to. And  
folding seems like rubbing a cat's fur the wrong way to me, given all  
the different ways I've looked at it thus far.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jerry-
>
> Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:54:29 AM, you wrote:
>
>> I did a tree view of the code that worked on handlers and other
>> control structures. It just didn't hold up very well when scripts got
>> sizable. Also, dealing with the many variations of if-then-else was
>> not pleasant. I've still got code stubs in tRev to do folding,
>> actually, but I tend to think it is a case of rubbing revolution's  
>> fur
>> the wrong way. I've come to think it's not an ideal fit for the  
>> nature
>> of the language or the text editing nature of the editing environs.
>
> Not sure that I completely agree here, at least with the "nature of
> the language" part. Obviously you don't want to mess with the script
> itselfe, but for long handlers (come on, we've all got them) it's
> often hard to find the matching "end if" statement for an "if",
> especially if they're nested three or four levels deep. Folding is a
> way to indicate that, but there are other visual indicators that work
> as well: option-click or something on the start of a conditional to
> highlight the end statement, etc.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Sep 14 11:43:05 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:43:05 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70B4C973-A0F1-4967-8283-0A90D1526C70@me.com>

Trevor and tRev are unconnected, though he was the inspiration for the  
Decoder it has.

He also claims he has the same haircut as our logo/mascot.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:27 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> 2009/9/14 Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
>
> Glad you explained that. I started reading the announcement and  
> immediately
>> thought to myself. Wait a minute... Sarah's now working for  
>> Jerry??. First
>> it was Trevor, now Sarah..., Jacque will be next, followed by  
>> Richard...
>
>
> Always wandered inf tRev had any link to Trevor - or should that be  
> tRevor?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep 14 11:43:19 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:43:19 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
Message-ID: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>

Jerry Daniels wrote:

> I do think that there is a conceptual model of what a script is: a  
> single body of text. Inserting folders into the code REALLY slows down  
> rendering. We have links in our code now, I found embedded folder  
> images made script rendering slow. Super slow.
> 
> Furthermore, the nature of the script that i think is antithetical is  
> the flexibility of rev talk. How many ways can you write if-then- 
> else's? Lots. I've actually tried and used folders in rev scripts and  
> it wasn't as rewarding as I would have thought.

This may ultimately be merely a matter of taste, but my own preference 
mirrors yours.

I believe there is cognitive value in seeing the thing you're working 
on, and as you note a script is a block of text.  A good editor can make 
it easy to navigate that block of text, but altering how it's displayed 
is not without tradeoffs.

Folding hides complex code, but doesn't make it any simpler.  In fact, 
once could argue it encourages complexity by making it easy to ignore it.

Showing code as it is is like a mirror to your mind:  you can't ignore 
the blemishes.

If a handler is so long that folding would seem useful, sometimes that 
can be an indication that it might be useful to consider breaking it 
into subroutines.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 14 12:45:17 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:45:17 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <70B4C973-A0F1-4967-8283-0A90D1526C70@me.com>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>
	<70B4C973-A0F1-4967-8283-0A90D1526C70@me.com>
Message-ID: <9063844781.20090914094517@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:43:05 AM, you wrote:

> Trevor and tRev are unconnected, though he was the inspiration for the
> Decoder it has.

> He also claims he has the same haircut as our logo/mascot.

Would the mascot happen to be named "tRevver"?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 14 12:52:56 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:52:56 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:43:19 AM, you wrote:

> If a handler is so long that folding would seem useful, sometimes that
> can be an indication that it might be useful to consider breaking it
> into subroutines.

True, and I'm constantly refactoring to keep things simple and
maintainable. But every once in a while I end up looking at someone
else's code, and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those dang
conditional statements...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon Sep 14 13:13:48 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:13:48 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 72, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <20090914170004.46D6648AA3E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090914170004.46D6648AA3E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AAE79CC.2070300@castandcrew.com>

Ed,

Thanks for calling this to our attention.   I have been using more 
primitive methods, such as

Save main stack script (all handlers are there) as a text file on Linux 
system
use "wc -l"  (counts lines)

or if you don't mind getting all the lines created by the engine, you 
can save the stack itself and do this:

strings some-stack.rev | wc -l

All  of which you may safely ignore, now that you have a good way to do 
it. grin.

Sadhu

--------------


> Kay, thanks for the lead.
>
> I found Chipp's excellent plugin at: http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altStats.rev
>
> It really is nifty.
>
> Best,
> Ed
>   





From tereza at califex.com  Mon Sep 14 13:33:12 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:12 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>


On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> True, and I'm constantly refactoring to keep things simple and
> maintainable. But every once in a while I end up looking at someone
> else's code, and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those dang
> conditional statements...


Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis with  
a modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between it and  
its partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text to the  
matching "end if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat and  
switch.

No need to change the display at all,


t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 13:47:02 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:47:02 EDT
Subject: Need a Slide rule. Was: Two questions about trev
Message-ID: <c3d.63c19147.37dfdb96@aol.com>

I had suggested a while back that a horizontal character counting ruler in 
the script editor would allow one to find the char where an error occurs, 
which can be a pain in a long line. Such a ruler, accompanied by a slide rule 
like cursor, would also allow one to visually align the indentations of 
nested if-then and repeat structures. I actually sometimes use a straightedge to 
find ifs and their associated end-ifs.

I cannot figure out a way to make a semitransparent Rev app, which would do 
the job nicely. Or a semi-transparent dashboard widget; I could overlie the 
script editor with it and throw away my straightedge. 

Nobody thought this was a cool amenity though.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/14/09 12:54:51 PM, mwieder at ahsoftware.net writes:

> ... and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those dang conditional 
> statements...
> 



From irog at mac.com  Mon Sep 14 15:13:00 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:13:00 -0600
Subject: Custom "Widget" Technique Question
In-Reply-To: <20090913170004.DDA4D4897A9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090913170004.DDA4D4897A9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5C03C07D-9A2A-46A6-AF1D-BA0332B826DE@mac.com>

Len et al,

I have worked on similar projects/problems and am very interested in  
sharing thoughts such as this very valuable information from Richard  
Gaskin. I use his ideas throughout, but beyond this and for a project  
very similar to what you propose, I came up with the following  
solution, which seems to work very well for simulations that are not  
too complex.

I define and build two different kind of objects: Control objects and  
Flow objects. For example, a valve would be a Control and a pipe would  
be a Flow. (Obviously you could have many different types of Controls  
and Flows.)

Next build a 2-dim "truth table" (this could be an array) with  
Controls at the top and Flows in the first column. wherever an "x"  
appears, that flow is activated when the corresponding control is  
activated. IOW, anytime a control is activated, the truth table is  
queried to determine which flows to animate.

As for the animation, I make extensive use of custom properties by  
calling the cAnimation of an object. For example I have a radial gage  
object whose cAnimation is "FRadGage t1" where FRadGage is a function  
at the stack level that moves a "pointer" graphic of the control, and  
t1 is the animation target value for the simulation.

Good luck and I hope this helps!

Roger Guay


On Sep 13, 2009, at 11:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Check out the new Behaviors in v3.5.  This will let you use a button
> script that you could put anywhere (I tend to put mine in a library  
> or a
> substack, depending on whether I plan to reuse them in other apps or
> not), and then assign the behavior of your template group to that  
> button
> script.  From then on it's really easy, since all your code is in  
> one place.
>
> Using getProp and setProp you can adjust any number of things within  
> the
> group from a single property setting.
>
> And if you use v3.5's new selectGroupedControls property for groups,  
> you
> can keep your layout work clean since the pointer tool will treat the
> group as a single object, regardless of the setting of the global
> property of the same name.
>
> Use "copy <grpDescriptor> to <destinationStackDescriptor>" to add  
> copies
> of groups to your layout.
>
> Keep us posted on how this goes.  I love simulations, and would love  
> to
> see what you come up with.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 14 18:10:08 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:10:08 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
	<92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> True, and I'm constantly refactoring to keep things simple and
>> maintainable. But every once in a while I end up looking at someone
>> else's code, and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those dang
>> conditional statements...
> 
> 
> Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis with a 
> modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between it and its 
> partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text to the matching 
> "end if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat and switch.
> 
> No need to change the display at all,

BBEdit does it that way and I find it very useful.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 14 18:14:31 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:14:31 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AADB1E0.8040202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AAEC047.4080208@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> But Jacque and I already work for Andre, who's in discussions to be 
> acquired by Ken Ray, who is already a subsidiary of Klaus Major.

Yeah, but I'm a spy.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 18:39:46 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:39:46 -0400
Subject: Problems with snow leopard
In-Reply-To: <4AADB0F5.1080304@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AADB0F5.1080304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F0B4761A-05B0-413A-8690-0F374F14B895@gmail.com>

For a very useful and readable summary of this issue, see:

http://db.tidbits.com/article/10537

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Sep 13, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> As a long time mac user from the beginning, I've always thought the  
>> type and
>> creator codes were VERY useful to eliminate the ambiguity of what  
>> to launch
>> and I put down the PC method of using suffixes as being brain dead.
>
> Apparently the Mac team did too, as we learned loudly when the NeXT  
> team followed Steve back to Apple and tried to get rid of creator  
> codes in their new OS X under the argument that they were unnecessary.
>
> This internal turf war was mirrored by developers on Apple's UI  
> developer mailing list.
>
> For all the many years Apple has been hosting discussion lists for  
> developers, to the best of my knowledge the UI list was shut down  
> only once, and that was over this issue.
>
> The outcry from people like you about the merit of creator codes was  
> sweeping and furious, yet the NeXTites felt secure knowing that  
> since they had been loyal with Steve all this time their opinion  
> would ultimately prevail.
>
> Among developers on the UI list this issue caused a flame war so  
> great the list was taken offline for quite a while, and it was many  
> months (more than a year IIRC) before it was resurrected.
>
> Now, all these many years later, Apple is at last losing this once- 
> valuable bit of metadata.
>
> If there is comfort in this otherwise sad passing, it's for us multi- 
> platform developers:
>
> With every step Apple takes to eliminate differences between OSes,  
> the less forked code we need to write.  As they decrease their  
> unique value, they increase ours. :)
>
> If only the world's OS vendors would come to common agreement on the  
> placement of dialog buttons....
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Sep 14 19:41:33 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: View and print a PDF file from Rev
Message-ID: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

I trying to show a PDF file in Rev and print it.
Using revBrowser when I try to print crash all Rev.. also use embeded
Acrobat viewer inside revBrowser. How use by default viewer?

Using the player, I don't know how move page by page and print the PDF. It's
posible?

Any tip or idea how to handle this? Preview a PDF and print it if the user
want.


Salut,
Josep
-- 
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Mon Sep 14 20:48:01 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:48:01 -0400
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
	<92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>
	<4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E88CDFA8-06FE-474F-A5D2-D9179E57FA32@luceatlux.com>

Hear, hear!  Me too.  Jerry?

George

On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Tereza Snyder wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> True, and I'm constantly refactoring to keep things simple and
>> maintainable. But every once in a while I end up looking at someone
>> else's code, and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those dang
>> conditional statements...
> Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis  
> with a modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between  
> it and its partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text  
> to the matching "end if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat  
> and switch.
> No need to change the display at all,

BBEdit does it that way and I find it very useful.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Sep 14 20:59:15 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:59:15 -0700
Subject: View and print a PDF file from Rev
In-Reply-To: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C6D434F3.4457C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Josep wrote:

> I trying to show a PDF file in Rev and print it.
> Using revBrowser when I try to print crash all Rev.. also use embeded
> Acrobat viewer inside revBrowser. How use by default viewer?
> 
> Using the player, I don't know how move page by page and print the PDF. It's
> posible?
> 
> Any tip or idea how to handle this? Preview a PDF and print it if the user
> want.

If you can't find a workaround for the crash, the only other option I can
think of is to launch the PDF in Acrobat Reader:

  put <path_to_my_doc.pdf> into tFilePath
  launch document tFilePath

I have some code for displaying PDF pages in a Rev player, but as far as I
know, the resolution is limited to the screen so I don't think this would be
useful for you for printing.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 20:59:58 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:59:58 +1000
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
	<92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>
	<4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909141759k64007b1re553099b9ede5a35@mail.gmail.com>

>> Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis with a
>> modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between it and its
>> partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text to the matching "end
>> if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat and switch.
>>
>> No need to change the display at all,
>
> BBEdit does it that way and I find it very useful.


Apple's XCode does it by drawing a pale grey background around the
loop or structure.
It nests these in varying shades of grey, but just a single graphic
layered behind a structure would be cool.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 14 21:07:46 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:07:46 -1000
Subject: View and print a PDF file from Rev
In-Reply-To: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <008c01ca35a0$f015f210$d041d630$@com>

Hi Josep

> I trying to show a PDF file in Rev and print it.
> Using revBrowser when I try to print crash all Rev.. also use embeded
> Acrobat viewer inside revBrowser. How use by default viewer?
> 
> Using the player, I don't know how move page by page and print the PDF.
> It's
> posible?
> 
> Any tip or idea how to handle this? Preview a PDF and print it if the
> user
> want.

revBrowser uses the browser control installed on your machine. On PC it uses
IE and on Mac it uses Safari. Whatever plugins you have installed for these
browsers will then work within revBrowser. So, if you have the Adobe reader
plugin installed for these browsers, then you can display PDF docs inside of
a rev window. Also, be aware that whatever settings you have for these
browsers will be the same when the control is used from revBrowser.

First, make sure you can just browse to the PDF doc just using IE on PC or
Safari on Mac. Make sure Adobe reader is set to display in the browser and
not outside the browser (this is in the settings of the Adobe plugin). Once
you know this is working, then you use revBrowser to bring up the browser
control inside of a rev window and when you browse to a web page or PDF doc,
it should display within the rev window just like it did when you used the
browser. As to printing a PDF, it is actually the adobe plugin that is doing
the printing, just like it does when it is running in the browser.

I don't have experience with Mac but on PC I can tell you it all works with
IE 6, 7 and 8. Usually any problems you may experience are due to the
version of the Adobe plugin. Maybe someone else can chime in with their
experience with Safari.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Sep 14 22:17:24 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:17:24 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0DA6F420-67B8-4C00-8507-B66F58D37FB5@jhj.com>

On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> In fact, once could argue it encourages complexity by making it easy  
> to ignore it.

Wow, another deep-thought quotable from Richard. There sure are two  
edges to this sword - after all one could argue that much of computer  
programming is, at its root, hiding complexity. Good or bad?

Thanks again, Richard!
--Jerry J



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Sep 15 00:36:24 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:36:24 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <E88CDFA8-06FE-474F-A5D2-D9179E57FA32@luceatlux.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
	<92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>
	<4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E88CDFA8-06FE-474F-A5D2-D9179E57FA32@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <452F26BA-54A0-4E76-B850-0D6BB6ACBDD1@me.com>

Cool idea. Could also be done with color.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 7:48 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

> Hear, hear!  Me too.  Jerry?
>
> George
>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Tereza Snyder wrote:
>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> True, and I'm constantly refactoring to keep things simple and
>>> maintainable. But every once in a while I end up looking at someone
>>> else's code, and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those  
>>> dang
>>> conditional statements...
>> Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis  
>> with a modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between  
>> it and its partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text  
>> to the matching "end if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for  
>> repeat and switch.
>> No need to change the display at all,
>
> BBEdit does it that way and I find it very useful.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Sep 15 00:36:58 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:36:58 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909141759k64007b1re553099b9ede5a35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
	<92C7D127-CB63-4FF9-B2D5-78FD818B826E@califex.com>
	<4AAEBF40.5070101@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860909141759k64007b1re553099b9ede5a35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D27F5049-876B-4B29-833B-ED6BB1EBA05B@me.com>

That's the one I like, but I have to see what the performance overhead  
is.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>>> Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis  
>>> with a
>>> modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between it and  
>>> its
>>> partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text to the  
>>> matching "end
>>> if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat and switch.
>>>
>>> No need to change the display at all,
>>
>> BBEdit does it that way and I find it very useful.
>
>
> Apple's XCode does it by drawing a pale grey background around the
> loop or structure.
> It nests these in varying shades of grey, but just a single graphic
> layered behind a structure would be cool.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun Sep 13 15:52:15 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:52:15 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Released - let's rock 'n' roar!
Message-ID: <55BAA91A-CAA2-4383-AA1B-494F8B324E4D@me.com>

Revolution code aficionados,

It is my pleasure to inform you that we have released the tRev editing  
environment for Revolution.

Here's what the product does:
- it edits code in a tabbed browser
- it navigates code with handler links
- it auto-completes handlers, vars, keywords
- it sets properties (within the code editor!)
- it browses a crazy-cool object tree
- it lets you debug modelessly
- it shows full, in-context definitions instantly

tRev does all this magic in one clean, uncluttered window that is  
devoid of administrative debris. It adds absolutely no data to any of  
your objects, but instead keeps a local database of information about  
each an object you edit and what you were doing.

The tRev support site:
- has 33 well illustrated articles
- has 15 video tutorials

tRev support is provided by direct email with its developer, not  
through a crazy bug-tracking database. Features and enhancements are  
released and explained with video tutorial on most Fridays.

You should click the link below to find out why it's time for change.

http://reveditor.com/should-i-get-in-the-hot-tub

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Sep 15 00:52:29 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:52:29 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
Message-ID: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>

Written by stephen barncard on Sun Sep 13, 2009 - 5:21 PM CDT
>>>
Does anyone know how to stop this from happening?
<<<

Stephen, for each object on each card, set the "Lock size and position"
(lockLoc) property to checked when using the Geometry manager. I've found
that this keeps each object from disappearing off the card, to somewhere in
never-never land.

--
HTH,
Mark Stuart



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 15 01:29:36 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:29:36 -0700
Subject: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry
In-Reply-To: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909142229w7c6fa59en35fddfa8d0e7a914@mail.gmail.com>

That hasn't usually worked for me. It seems to explode at random even when
locked down. thanks though.....
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/14 Mark Stuart <mfstuart at cox.net>

> Written by stephen barncard on Sun Sep 13, 2009 - 5:21 PM CDT
> >>>
> Does anyone know how to stop this from happening?
> <<<
>
> Stephen, for each object on each card, set the "Lock size and position"
> (lockLoc) property to checked when using the Geometry manager. I've found
> that this keeps each object from disappearing off the card, to somewhere in
> never-never land.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Mark Stuart
>
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From wow at together.net  Tue Sep 15 07:14:55 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:14:55 -0400
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
In-Reply-To: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>
Message-ID: <4AAF772F.4010607@together.net>

A few questions.

1. Presumably, a new version of the plugin is to be released soon... is 
that right? At least one that fixes the basic issue of allowing 
substacks to open in front of the browser.

2. Does installation of the plugin work for most PC and Mac users now, 
or is there a meaningful subset of these folks who would have difficulty 
installing it with the current version? I read something about Vista 
corporate users who might not be able to install it without first making 
a change to their OS settings.

I'd like to be able to introduce the "general population" to a simple 
revweb-based page I've put together introducing a new product. This page 
doesn't include anything other than fields, buttons and images. It's 
just a product information page.... meaning, it doesn't require any 
permissions from the user to view it, other than installation of the 
plugin.

If I had 500 run-of-the-mill PC and Mac users attempt to access this 
page, is it reasonable to expect the great majority of them will have 
little problem installing the plugin and viewing the page?

Or should I wait longer on this until a new version of the plugin 
arrives....

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 09:52:34 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:52:34 EDT
Subject: Finding the $%$#%#$%# Geometry manager
Message-ID: <bb8.5c91f59e.37e0f622@aol.com>

Where is this? It is not, I assume, the "size and position" pane of the 
property inspector. The docs say it can be pulled from the tools menu, but I 
don't see it, and it certainly looks like a pane from the property inspector, 
not a separate gadget.

Thanks,

Craig Newman


From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 09:53:48 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:53:48 EDT
Subject: Finding the $%$#%#$%# Geometry manager
Message-ID: <c92.53910da1.37e0f66c@aol.com>

Never mind, it is right there. Just glazed over it.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 15 10:02:43 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:02:43 -0300
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
In-Reply-To: <4AAF772F.4010607@together.net>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>
	<4AAF772F.4010607@together.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909150702t535b150bh28dae73d0b0e9839@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,
I would wait a little more...

Andre

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:

> A few questions.
>
> 1. Presumably, a new version of the plugin is to be released soon... is
> that right? At least one that fixes the basic issue of allowing substacks to
> open in front of the browser.
>
> 2. Does installation of the plugin work for most PC and Mac users now, or
> is there a meaningful subset of these folks who would have difficulty
> installing it with the current version? I read something about Vista
> corporate users who might not be able to install it without first making a
> change to their OS settings.
>
> I'd like to be able to introduce the "general population" to a simple
> revweb-based page I've put together introducing a new product. This page
> doesn't include anything other than fields, buttons and images. It's just a
> product information page.... meaning, it doesn't require any permissions
> from the user to view it, other than installation of the plugin.
>
> If I had 500 run-of-the-mill PC and Mac users attempt to access this page,
> is it reasonable to expect the great majority of them will have little
> problem installing the plugin and viewing the page?
>
> Or should I wait longer on this until a new version of the plugin
> arrives....
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
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From wow at together.net  Tue Sep 15 10:10:08 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:10:08 -0400
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909150702t535b150bh28dae73d0b0e9839@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>	<4AAF772F.4010607@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10909150702t535b150bh28dae73d0b0e9839@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AAFA040.4090809@together.net>

Andre,

Thanks.
Would you take a stab at defining "little"? You thinking a week or a month?

Richard



Andre Garzia wrote:
> Richard,
> I would wait a little more...
>
> Andre
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> A few questions.
>>
>> 1. Presumably, a new version of the plugin is to be released soon... is
>> that right? At least one that fixes the basic issue of allowing substacks to
>> open in front of the browser.
>>
>> 2. Does installation of the plugin work for most PC and Mac users now, or
>> is there a meaningful subset of these folks who would have difficulty
>> installing it with the current version? I read something about Vista
>> corporate users who might not be able to install it without first making a
>> change to their OS settings.
>>
>> I'd like to be able to introduce the "general population" to a simple
>> revweb-based page I've put together introducing a new product. This page
>> doesn't include anything other than fields, buttons and images. It's just a
>> product information page.... meaning, it doesn't require any permissions
>> from the user to view it, other than installation of the plugin.
>>
>> If I had 500 run-of-the-mill PC and Mac users attempt to access this page,
>> is it reasonable to expect the great majority of them will have little
>> problem installing the plugin and viewing the page?
>>
>> Or should I wait longer on this until a new version of the plugin
>> arrives....
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
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>
>
>
>   



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 15 10:16:36 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:16:36 -0300
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
In-Reply-To: <4AAFA040.4090809@together.net>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>
	<4AAF772F.4010607@together.net> 
	<7c87a2a10909150702t535b150bh28dae73d0b0e9839@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AAFA040.4090809@together.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909150716g5521b397y8a36de1181c51ab0@mail.gmail.com>

I have no clue, but I am waiting for the next plugin before releasing
anything.
the current one has some random jinx in it that is not compatible with
releasing a product, thats why it is an alpha. Use this interval now to
improve your product, this way, by the time they deliver a beta or a final,
you'll have a better product than the one you have now.

even if the current plugin works for 450 out of your 500 guys, the other 50
might be very vocal and wreck your opening party.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:

> Andre,
>
> Thanks.
> Would you take a stab at defining "little"? You thinking a week or a month?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>> I would wait a little more...
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> A few questions.
>>>
>>> 1. Presumably, a new version of the plugin is to be released soon... is
>>> that right? At least one that fixes the basic issue of allowing substacks
>>> to
>>> open in front of the browser.
>>>
>>> 2. Does installation of the plugin work for most PC and Mac users now, or
>>> is there a meaningful subset of these folks who would have difficulty
>>> installing it with the current version? I read something about Vista
>>> corporate users who might not be able to install it without first making
>>> a
>>> change to their OS settings.
>>>
>>> I'd like to be able to introduce the "general population" to a simple
>>> revweb-based page I've put together introducing a new product. This page
>>> doesn't include anything other than fields, buttons and images. It's just
>>> a
>>> product information page.... meaning, it doesn't require any permissions
>>> from the user to view it, other than installation of the plugin.
>>>
>>> If I had 500 run-of-the-mill PC and Mac users attempt to access this
>>> page,
>>> is it reasonable to expect the great majority of them will have little
>>> problem installing the plugin and viewing the page?
>>>
>>> Or should I wait longer on this until a new version of the plugin
>>> arrives....
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Sep 15 10:27:36 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: View and print a PDF file from Rev
In-Reply-To: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25455055.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

OK, I test more with the revBrowser. But exist any way to print a PDF
directly without any dialog, only to select the printer? Maybe using
applescript?

The player is fine to show a preview but any way to move page by page
without show the controller?

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Sep 15 10:29:57 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <25428570.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25428570.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25455099.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Where I can find "calendarWidget100"?

Salut,
Josep
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 15 10:37:42 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:37:42 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
Message-ID: <4AAFA6B6.3000803@fourthworld.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:
 > Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis with
 > a modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between it and
 > its partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text to the
 > matching "end if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat and
 > switch.

I like the way you think, Tereza. That strikes a perfect balance, 
providing the clarity Mark Wieder was looking for while keeping the 
script displayed as the whole block of text it is.  I'll admit I have a 
few long handlers of my own where this will be very helpful. :)

I just added the code below to my own script editor, and I really like 
it.  Thanks for the suggestion.


Jerry, I found that as sloppy as this code is it performs reasonably 
well as long as I store the top of the graphic "ControlSel" (for 
"Control Stucture Selection") in a property so I can update it during 
scrolling without having to recalculate the rect on the fly.

The code assumes you have a graphic named "ControlSel" below your 
transparent editor field (since my editor is a fork of MC's my editor 
field is named simply "Editor Field").  Here I use a color slightly 
darker than the light gray of the background color of the stack, but 
brighter colors may look good too.

If one of the BBEdit users here could send me a screenshot of how that 
app displays this that would be very helpful.  It would also be good to 
know how they handle knowing what closure means for different languages 
(prefs settings?).

ShowControlSel is called from a CommandKeyDown handler (I used Cmd-J 
simply because it was available, but if you use a different one it would 
be good to know so I can change mine for consistency before I share it). 
    When invoked it'll draw the "ControlSel" graphic at the bounds of 
the relevant block, i.e. if a handler it'll surround the whole handler, 
if a switch it'll do the switch, if "if" it'll do until the "end".

The ControlStructureClosureLine function is used in a few places in my 
editor, handy for finding the line offset where a handler or control 
structure closes.  It's way sloppy in style (cleaning it up is on my 
to-do list after a long list of client features), but seems to work okay 
where I'm using it.  With "if", "switch", and "repeat" it should account 
for nested control structures (please let me know if it fails to catch any).

You're welcome to use any of this that's helpful:



on ShowControlSel
   hide grc "ControlSel"
   put word 2 of the selectedLine into tLineNum
   put line tLineNum of fld "Editor Field" into tLine
   put ControlStructureClosureLine(tLineNum) into tClosingLineNum
   --
   put ((tLineNum-1) * the effective textHeight of \
       fld "Editor Field") + the top of fld "Editor Field" \
       + 2 into tTop
   put (tClosingLineNum * the effective textHeight of \
       fld "Editor Field") + the top of fld "Editor Field" \
       + 6 into tBottom -- 6 added for borders and margins
   set the uTop of grc "ControlSel" to tTop -- used for updating during 
scroll
   set the rect of grc "ControlSel" to \
       the left of fld "Editor Field", \
       tTop - the vScroll of fld "Editor Field", \
       the right of fld "Editor Field", \
       tBottom- the vScroll of fld "Editor Field"
   show grc "ControlSel"
end ShowControlSel


function ControlStructureClosureLine tLineNum
   put line tLineNum to (the number of lines of fld "Editor Field") \
       of fld "Editor Field" into tScript
   put line 1 of tScript into tLine
   put word 1 of tLine into tToken
   if tToken is among the words of "if switch repeat" then
     put 0 into i
     put 0 into tNestedCount
     repeat for each line tLine in tScript
       add 1 to i
       if word 1 of tLine is tToken then
         add 1 to tNestedCount
       end if
       --
       if word 1 of tLine is "end" AND word 2 of tLine is tToken then
         subtract 1 from tNestedCount
         if tNestedCount = 0 then
           return i+tLineNum-1
         end if
       end if
     end repeat
     --
     -- If we got here we may have an "if" closed by "else" so:
     if tToken is "if" then
       put 0 into i
       repeat for each line tLine in tScript
         add 1 to i
         if word 1 of tLine = "else" then
           return i+tLineNum-1
         end if
       end repeat
       --
       -- If we got this far perhaps the "if" dangles "then" on the next 
line:
       put 0 into i
       repeat for each line tLine in tScript
         add 1 to i
         if word 1 of tLine = "then" then
           return i+tLineNum-1
         end if
       end repeat
     end if
     --
   else
     -- Get whole handler?
     if tToken is among the words of "on private command function 
getProp setProp" then
       if word 1 of tLine is "private" then put word 3 of tScript into 
tToken
       else put word 2 of tLine into tToken
       put 0 into i
       repeat for each line tLine in tScript
         add 1 to i
         if word 1 of tLine = "end" AND word 2 of tLine is tToken then
           return i+tLineNum-1
         end if
       end repeat
     end if
   end if -- closable token
   return tLineNum
end ControlStructureClosureLine



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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Sep 15 10:50:22 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:50:22 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAFA6B6.3000803@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAFA6B6.3000803@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9CE6658D-1D4D-4BF2-8151-CDB043490581@me.com>

Thanks, Richard!

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Tereza Snyder wrote:
> > Some satisfaction might be obtained if, by clicking a parenthesis  
> with
> > a modifier key pressed, one could select all the text between it and
> > its partner. Similarly, click the keyword "if" and all text to the
> > matching "end if" is selected and vice-versa. Same for repeat and
> > switch.
>
> I like the way you think, Tereza. That strikes a perfect balance,  
> providing the clarity Mark Wieder was looking for while keeping the  
> script displayed as the whole block of text it is.  I'll admit I  
> have a few long handlers of my own where this will be very helpful. :)
>
> I just added the code below to my own script editor, and I really  
> like it.  Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>
> Jerry, I found that as sloppy as this code is it performs reasonably  
> well as long as I store the top of the graphic "ControlSel" (for  
> "Control Stucture Selection") in a property so I can update it  
> during scrolling without having to recalculate the rect on the fly.
>
> The code assumes you have a graphic named "ControlSel" below your  
> transparent editor field (since my editor is a fork of MC's my  
> editor field is named simply "Editor Field").  Here I use a color  
> slightly darker than the light gray of the background color of the  
> stack, but brighter colors may look good too.
>
> If one of the BBEdit users here could send me a screenshot of how  
> that app displays this that would be very helpful.  It would also be  
> good to know how they handle knowing what closure means for  
> different languages (prefs settings?).
>
> ShowControlSel is called from a CommandKeyDown handler (I used Cmd-J  
> simply because it was available, but if you use a different one it  
> would be good to know so I can change mine for consistency before I  
> share it).    When invoked it'll draw the "ControlSel" graphic at  
> the bounds of the relevant block, i.e. if a handler it'll surround  
> the whole handler, if a switch it'll do the switch, if "if" it'll do  
> until the "end".
>
> The ControlStructureClosureLine function is used in a few places in  
> my editor, handy for finding the line offset where a handler or  
> control structure closes.  It's way sloppy in style (cleaning it up  
> is on my to-do list after a long list of client features), but seems  
> to work okay where I'm using it.  With "if", "switch", and "repeat"  
> it should account for nested control structures (please let me know  
> if it fails to catch any).
>
> You're welcome to use any of this that's helpful:
>
>
>
> on ShowControlSel
>  hide grc "ControlSel"
>  put word 2 of the selectedLine into tLineNum
>  put line tLineNum of fld "Editor Field" into tLine
>  put ControlStructureClosureLine(tLineNum) into tClosingLineNum
>  --
>  put ((tLineNum-1) * the effective textHeight of \
>      fld "Editor Field") + the top of fld "Editor Field" \
>      + 2 into tTop
>  put (tClosingLineNum * the effective textHeight of \
>      fld "Editor Field") + the top of fld "Editor Field" \
>      + 6 into tBottom -- 6 added for borders and margins
>  set the uTop of grc "ControlSel" to tTop -- used for updating  
> during scroll
>  set the rect of grc "ControlSel" to \
>      the left of fld "Editor Field", \
>      tTop - the vScroll of fld "Editor Field", \
>      the right of fld "Editor Field", \
>      tBottom- the vScroll of fld "Editor Field"
>  show grc "ControlSel"
> end ShowControlSel
>
>
> function ControlStructureClosureLine tLineNum
>  put line tLineNum to (the number of lines of fld "Editor Field") \
>      of fld "Editor Field" into tScript
>  put line 1 of tScript into tLine
>  put word 1 of tLine into tToken
>  if tToken is among the words of "if switch repeat" then
>    put 0 into i
>    put 0 into tNestedCount
>    repeat for each line tLine in tScript
>      add 1 to i
>      if word 1 of tLine is tToken then
>        add 1 to tNestedCount
>      end if
>      --
>      if word 1 of tLine is "end" AND word 2 of tLine is tToken then
>        subtract 1 from tNestedCount
>        if tNestedCount = 0 then
>          return i+tLineNum-1
>        end if
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    --
>    -- If we got here we may have an "if" closed by "else" so:
>    if tToken is "if" then
>      put 0 into i
>      repeat for each line tLine in tScript
>        add 1 to i
>        if word 1 of tLine = "else" then
>          return i+tLineNum-1
>        end if
>      end repeat
>      --
>      -- If we got this far perhaps the "if" dangles "then" on the  
> next line:
>      put 0 into i
>      repeat for each line tLine in tScript
>        add 1 to i
>        if word 1 of tLine = "then" then
>          return i+tLineNum-1
>        end if
>      end repeat
>    end if
>    --
>  else
>    -- Get whole handler?
>    if tToken is among the words of "on private command function  
> getProp setProp" then
>      if word 1 of tLine is "private" then put word 3 of tScript into  
> tToken
>      else put word 2 of tLine into tToken
>      put 0 into i
>      repeat for each line tLine in tScript
>        add 1 to i
>        if word 1 of tLine = "end" AND word 2 of tLine is tToken then
>          return i+tLineNum-1
>        end if
>      end repeat
>    end if
>  end if -- closable token
>  return tLineNum
> end ControlStructureClosureLine
>
>
>
> --
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> Fourth World
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 15 11:11:24 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:11:24 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAFA6B6.3000803@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAFA6B6.3000803@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AAFAE9C.1040701@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> If one of the BBEdit users here could send me a screenshot of how that 
> app displays this that would be very helpful.

BBEdit just selects the text, exactly as if you'd dragged across it with 
the mouse. That's handy because you can hit an arrow key, which removes 
the selection, and start typing. Or you can type any string and it 
replaces the selected text (which can be a surprise the first time until 
you realize it's just a text selection, but "undo" works to fix it.)

I like that it is simply a text selection. It uses my selection color 
and acts as I'd expect. It allows undo to work, or lets me grab the 
selected chunk and drag to move it elsewhere.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From wow at together.net  Tue Sep 15 11:23:44 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:23:44 -0400
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909150716g5521b397y8a36de1181c51ab0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>	<4AAF772F.4010607@together.net>
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	<7c87a2a10909150716g5521b397y8a36de1181c51ab0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AAFB180.8010108@together.net>

Thanks for the advice. I agree with you. I'll wait... hoping it's just a 
week or so, and not a month or two.
Richard





Andre Garzia wrote:
> I have no clue, but I am waiting for the next plugin before releasing
> anything.
> the current one has some random jinx in it that is not compatible with
> releasing a product, thats why it is an alpha. Use this interval now to
> improve your product, this way, by the time they deliver a beta or a final,
> you'll have a better product than the one you have now.
>
> even if the current plugin works for 450 out of your 500 guys, the other 50
> might be very vocal and wreck your opening party.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Andre,
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Would you take a stab at defining "little"? You thinking a week or a month?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Richard,
>>> I would wait a little more...
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> A few questions.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Presumably, a new version of the plugin is to be released soon... is
>>>> that right? At least one that fixes the basic issue of allowing substacks
>>>> to
>>>> open in front of the browser.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Does installation of the plugin work for most PC and Mac users now, or
>>>> is there a meaningful subset of these folks who would have difficulty
>>>> installing it with the current version? I read something about Vista
>>>> corporate users who might not be able to install it without first making
>>>> a
>>>> change to their OS settings.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to be able to introduce the "general population" to a simple
>>>> revweb-based page I've put together introducing a new product. This page
>>>> doesn't include anything other than fields, buttons and images. It's just
>>>> a
>>>> product information page.... meaning, it doesn't require any permissions
>>>> from the user to view it, other than installation of the plugin.
>>>>
>>>> If I had 500 run-of-the-mill PC and Mac users attempt to access this
>>>> page,
>>>> is it reasonable to expect the great majority of them will have little
>>>> problem installing the plugin and viewing the page?
>>>>
>>>> Or should I wait longer on this until a new version of the plugin
>>>> arrives....
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Richard Miller
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 15 11:24:45 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:24:45 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
Message-ID: <4AAFB1BD.6040106@fourthworld.com>

Jerry J wrote:

> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> In fact, once could argue it encourages complexity by making it easy  
>> to ignore it.
> 
> Wow, another deep-thought quotable from Richard. There sure are two  
> edges to this sword - after all one could argue that much of computer  
> programming is, at its root, hiding complexity. Good or bad?

Thanks for the kind words.

<possibleWasteOfBandwidthOnPhilosophicalRamblings>

Rather than "good or bad?" we might change the question to ask "useful 
or less useful?", and by that measure the answer may differ whether 
we're talking about the end-user of the system or the person responsible 
for delivering it.

Since the whole computing thing is just smoke and mirrors anyway (who 
bothers to notice that it's just a machine too dumb to count past 1?), 
for the end-user it may be very useful to hide complexity whenever 
practical.  The whole experience is just an illusion, so better to make 
it a pleasant one. :)

But the developer is responsible for providing that illusion of 
simplicity, and therefore is not often in a position to indulge in that 
illusion himself.  The magician has to know that the ball isn't really 
under any of the cups but merely palmed out of view, but it's more fun 
if the user doesn't know that.

True, to a large degree Rev is a sort of "pleasant illusion" itself, 
sheltering us from the ones and zeros marching through the processor so 
we can focus on the user experience unencumbered by counting bits.  As 
helpful as it's been to have worked in C and other lower-level languages 
to be able to imagine what the engine is going though under the hood, 
I'm grateful I can afford to forget such things most of the time.

Since we're waxing philosophical, here's a quote I've found valuable:

I interviewed Bill Appleton for a computer mag shortly after SuperCard 
1.0 came out in '89, and he said something that's stayed with me all 
these years later:  "A lot of really smart people do great work with all 
sorts of applications.  Then there are the people who who make those 
apps, relying on an engine like SuperCard to run them.  And then there's 
folks like me who make an interpreter like SuperCard using Think C.  And 
the folks who wrote the Think C compiler work at an even lower level, 
and going even lower are the people who wrote the chip instruction set. 
  There's plenty of room for excellence at all of these levels, and I've 
seen some amazing work across all of them."

That may be relevant here in discovering the dividing lines that can be 
useful for work at a given level.

No matter what else we may do in Rev, from writing externals in a 
lower-level language or using tools to provide a higher level of work, 
it's all driven by the engine.  Since the engine understands scripts 
only as a block of code, I find it helpful to think like the engine 
whenever I can.

I don't bother thinking like the compiler or the processor often, though 
sometimes it's helpful when optimizing. And I try to step back now and 
then to think like the end user when I can, but the magician can never 
really enjoy the appearance of an illusion he knows the secret to, at 
least not the way the end-user does (which is why usability testing is 
so important, but that's another story).

So when coding in Rev, I tend to favor things like having the IDE use 
property names rather than Rev's default setting of more descriptive 
terms (the first thing I have students do when I'm teaching is change 
that Preferences item), and seeing the whole script rather than a 
handler view (seems Rev 3.0 removed the handler view anyway, no?).  And 
I feel the same about parts of handlers too - might as well see the 
whole thing, just like the engine does.

Like my t-shirt says:

Know the engine.
Trust the engine.
Use the engine.

</possibleWasteOfBandwidthOnPhilosophicalRamblings>

All that said, I think it really boils down to just a matter of taste. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 15 11:27:38 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:27:38 -0700
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
Message-ID: <4AAFB26A.2050605@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:
> Thanks for the advice. I agree with you. I'll wait... hoping it's just a 
> week or so, and not a month or two.

In my home town there's a modest pizza restaurant that has this sign at 
the order window:

"Good food takes time to prepare.  Yours will be ready in seconds!"

:)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 11:27:42 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:27:42 +0300
Subject: RevMedia - ready now?
In-Reply-To: <4AAFB180.8010108@together.net>
References: <000001ca35c0$54602320$0138a8c0@stuart>	<4AAF772F.4010607@together.net>	<7c87a2a10909150702t535b150bh28dae73d0b0e9839@mail.gmail.com>	<4AAFA040.4090809@together.net>	<7c87a2a10909150716g5521b397y8a36de1181c51ab0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AAFB180.8010108@together.net>
Message-ID: <4AAFB26E.6050301@gmail.com>

Considering RevMedia is FREE and that t is posible to develop full-blown 
revlets with it
I don't feel one can start making demands.

Richard Miller wrote:
> Thanks for the advice. I agree with you. I'll wait... hoping it's just 
> a week or so, and not a month or two.
> Richard
>
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> I have no clue, but I am waiting for the next plugin before releasing
>> anything.
>> the current one has some random jinx in it that is not compatible with
>> releasing a product, thats why it is an alpha. Use this interval now to
>> improve your product, this way, by the time they deliver a beta or a 
>> final,
>> you'll have a better product than the one you have now.
>>
>> even if the current plugin works for 450 out of your 500 guys, the 
>> other 50
>> might be very vocal and wreck your opening party.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Andre,
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Would you take a stab at defining "little"? You thinking a week or a 
>>> month?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>> Richard,
>>>> I would wait a little more...
>>>>
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>> A few questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Presumably, a new version of the plugin is to be released 
>>>>> soon... is
>>>>> that right? At least one that fixes the basic issue of allowing 
>>>>> substacks
>>>>> to
>>>>> open in front of the browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Does installation of the plugin work for most PC and Mac users 
>>>>> now, or
>>>>> is there a meaningful subset of these folks who would have difficulty
>>>>> installing it with the current version? I read something about Vista
>>>>> corporate users who might not be able to install it without first 
>>>>> making
>>>>> a
>>>>> change to their OS settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to be able to introduce the "general population" to a simple
>>>>> revweb-based page I've put together introducing a new product. 
>>>>> This page
>>>>> doesn't include anything other than fields, buttons and images. 
>>>>> It's just
>>>>> a
>>>>> product information page.... meaning, it doesn't require any 
>>>>> permissions
>>>>> from the user to view it, other than installation of the plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had 500 run-of-the-mill PC and Mac users attempt to access this
>>>>> page,
>>>>> is it reasonable to expect the great majority of them will have 
>>>>> little
>>>>> problem installing the plugin and viewing the page?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or should I wait longer on this until a new version of the plugin
>>>>> arrives....
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 15 11:30:35 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:30:35 -0700
Subject: Two questions about trev
Message-ID: <4AAFB31B.6020004@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> BBEdit just selects the text, exactly as if you'd dragged across it with 
> the mouse. That's handy because you can hit an arrow key, which removes 
> the selection, and start typing. Or you can type any string and it 
> replaces the selected text (which can be a surprise the first time until 
> you realize it's just a text selection, but "undo" works to fix it.)
> 
> I like that it is simply a text selection. It uses my selection color 
> and acts as I'd expect. It allows undo to work, or lets me grab the 
> selected chunk and drag to move it elsewhere.

Excellent - thanks for the info, Jacque.  Not only does it have the 
advantages you describe, but it simplifies the code and takes care of an 
outstanding design decision I'd have to deal with otherwise: When to 
hide the "ControlSel" graphic.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 15 13:10:02 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:10:02 -1000
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <4AAFB1BD.6040106@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AAFB1BD.6040106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca3627$5df433b0$19dc9b10$@com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> ...Since the whole computing thing is just smoke and mirrors anyway (who
> bothers to notice that it's just a machine too dumb to count past 1?),
> for the end-user it may be very useful to hide complexity whenever
> practical.  The whole experience is just an illusion, so better to make
> it a pleasant one. :) ...

When you think about it, or ever programmed in Assembly, there are only
5-things a computer can do:

1. It can add and subtract (multiplication and division are just rapid
looped additions and subtractions).
2. It can compare two bits/bytes and determine equal to, greater than or
less than (how you know when to stop subtracting in a "division" and call it
a remainder).
3. It can move bits/bytes from one location to another (storage to memory,
memory to monitor, to processor, etc.)
4. It can replace instances of one bit/byte in memory with another.
5. It can jump execution to an offset location in memory (actually a
variation of 3).

Oh yeah, there is a sixth:

6. It can crash. :-)

All the illusion is based on combining these simple 5-capabilities and the
shattering of illusion is in the 6th. :-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Tue Sep 15 14:22:13 2009
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:22:13 +0300
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?What=27s_with_the_=A5_character=3F?=
Message-ID: <01C4A1BA-DCE9-4AE3-B1F6-EE7DD3E44E88@mac.com>

May I'm wrong, but I think there is something odd about the yen sign (?)

I have a pait of almost identical scripts  and each one is applied to  
a custom property. Among other things, the script filters the custom   
property with a certain item.

In the first case, the item will be a letter and a number (a1, b2, c4,  
h3, p1, etc.)

In the second case, the item will be the same with a ? as the first  
character (?a1, ?b2, ?c4, ?h3,?1 p1, etc.).

get lineoffset(line z in tText, the catsGrund of this stack)
put item 2 of line it in the catsGrund of this stack into tFilter --  
a1, b2, c4, h3, p1, etc. or ?a1,? b2, ?c4,
               ?h3,?1 p1, etc.--
filter tempList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
put the num of lines in templist into fld ("tn" & z)

In the script applied to the custom property without the ? symbol, the  
script works. In the one with the ? sympol it doesn't work. Could this  
have something to do with how Rev deals with the ? char in a custom  
property?

I'm just curious, because I've already worked around it using

repeat for each line X in templist
       if tfilter is in item 6 in X or tfilter is in item 7 in X in L  
then put L & cr after zTemp
end repeat

It works fine and within a millisecond or two just as fast, but again,  
I'm curious about that ?.


Cheers!

Lars




From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Tue Sep 15 18:58:35 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:58:35 -0700
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_What=27s_with_the_=A5_character=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <01C4A1BA-DCE9-4AE3-B1F6-EE7DD3E44E88@mac.com>
References: <01C4A1BA-DCE9-4AE3-B1F6-EE7DD3E44E88@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EBF7FDD8-C3A5-4D23-8120-5DF2879593FD@LinkIt.Com>

I remember a while back experiencing the bullet character on the Mac  
"?" changing to the Japanese yen symbol when I moved scripts to  
Windows.  I hope this is helpful, but if not we can always ask Mr.  
Cragg who knows Japan quite well having lived there on many occasions :)

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote:

> May I'm wrong, but I think there is something odd about the yen sign  
> (?)
>
> I have a pait of almost identical scripts  and each one is applied  
> to a custom property. Among other things, the script filters the  
> custom  property with a certain item.
>
> In the first case, the item will be a letter and a number (a1, b2,  
> c4, h3, p1, etc.)
>
> In the second case, the item will be the same with a ? as the first  
> character (?a1, ?b2, ?c4, ?h3,?1 p1, etc.).
>
> get lineoffset(line z in tText, the catsGrund of this stack)
> put item 2 of line it in the catsGrund of this stack into tFilter --  
> a1, b2, c4, h3, p1, etc. or ?a1,? b2, ?c4,
>              ?h3,?1 p1, etc.--
> filter tempList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
> put the num of lines in templist into fld ("tn" & z)
>
> In the script applied to the custom property without the ? symbol,  
> the script works. In the one with the ? sympol it doesn't work.  
> Could this have something to do with how Rev deals with the ? char  
> in a custom property?
>
> I'm just curious, because I've already worked around it using
>
> repeat for each line X in templist
>      if tfilter is in item 6 in X or tfilter is in item 7 in X in L  
> then put L & cr after zTemp
> end repeat
>
> It works fine and within a millisecond or two just as fast, but  
> again, I'm curious about that ?.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Lars
>
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Sep 15 17:00:36 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:00:36 +0100
Subject: =?windows-1252?q?Re=3A_What=27s_with_the_=A5_character=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <EBF7FDD8-C3A5-4D23-8120-5DF2879593FD@LinkIt.Com>
References: <01C4A1BA-DCE9-4AE3-B1F6-EE7DD3E44E88@mac.com>
	<EBF7FDD8-C3A5-4D23-8120-5DF2879593FD@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <5B3228C8-27ED-41B1-A4DF-DEF13A684648@lacscentre.co.uk>

I know I should back away from Mr Horsley's challenge. :-)

The only thing I can think of is that the Yen character is not the  
same character in all places in your script.

With Japanese fonts, the Yen character is often displayed instead of  
the backslash character. (Perhaps on Windows only) So if you have a  
"real" yen character in one place and a backslash in another place,  
you may not get the results you expect.

I also wondered that if it were really a backslash character, it might  
have some effect on the following character (as in regular  
expressions) but I don't think lineOffset and filter are affected by  
this.


Cheers
Dave


On 15 Sep 2009, at 23:58, Ray Horsley wrote:

> I remember a while back experiencing the bullet character on the Mac  
> "?" changing to the Japanese yen symbol when I moved scripts to  
> Windows.  I hope this is helpful, but if not we can always ask Mr.  
> Cragg who knows Japan quite well having lived there on many  
> occasions :)
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote:
>
>> May I'm wrong, but I think there is something odd about the yen  
>> sign (?)
>>
>> I have a pait of almost identical scripts  and each one is applied  
>> to a custom property. Among other things, the script filters the  
>> custom  property with a certain item.
>>
>> In the first case, the item will be a letter and a number (a1, b2,  
>> c4, h3, p1, etc.)
>>
>> In the second case, the item will be the same with a ? as the first  
>> character (?a1, ?b2, ?c4, ?h3,?1 p1, etc.).
>>
>> get lineoffset(line z in tText, the catsGrund of this stack)
>> put item 2 of line it in the catsGrund of this stack into tFilter  
>> -- a1, b2, c4, h3, p1, etc. or ?a1,? b2, ?c4,
>>             ?h3,?1 p1, etc.--
>> filter tempList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>> put the num of lines in templist into fld ("tn" & z)
>>
>> In the script applied to the custom property without the ? symbol,  
>> the script works. In the one with the ? sympol it doesn't work.  
>> Could this have something to do with how Rev deals with the ? char  
>> in a custom property?
>>
>> I'm just curious, because I've already worked around it using
>>
>> repeat for each line X in templist
>>     if tfilter is in item 6 in X or tfilter is in item 7 in X in L  
>> then put L & cr after zTemp
>> end repeat
>>
>> It works fine and within a millisecond or two just as fast, but  
>> again, I'm curious about that ?.
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Sep 15 17:15:19 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:15:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: View and print a PDF file from Rev
In-Reply-To: <25455055.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25445545.post@talk.nabble.com> <25455055.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25461962.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

Reply to myself... :)

I obtained print a PDF file without any dialog from the terminal using the
"lpr" command selecting one printer. 

So this must be posible run using the shell function from rev.

To know what printers are available I can obtaing from "put the
availablePrinters into tPrinters" but this isn't the name of the printer in
the system.

How can now the printers name in the system to show to the user? I can know
it using "lpstat -p"...


Salut,
Josep



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From paul.foraker at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 17:24:22 2009
From: paul.foraker at gmail.com (Paul Foraker)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:24:22 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Obey dontSearch properties -- not working?
In-Reply-To: <df1a206b0909151337y6ab9f322sb741b6231bca1a4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df1a206b0909151337y6ab9f322sb741b6231bca1a4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df1a206b0909151424y20d85458l83bc0c5521c0a69a@mail.gmail.com>

(Reposting due to bounce)

Using Rev Studio 3.5, I have a 1,200 card stack with 59 fields. I want to
replace a single character in any of the fields except one. I have that
field's dontSearch property set to true. I set that in the Property
Inspector and then tested it in the Message Box.

I bring up the Find and Replace dialog and check the checkbox, Obey
dontSearch properties. But, when I search for the character (? -- accented
e) the results include the field whose dontSearch is set to true.

Bug? Workaround?

-- Paul


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 15 17:26:30 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:26:30 -0700
Subject: =?windows-1252?q?Re=3A_What=27s_with_the_=A5_character=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <EBF7FDD8-C3A5-4D23-8120-5DF2879593FD@LinkIt.Com>
References: <01C4A1BA-DCE9-4AE3-B1F6-EE7DD3E44E88@mac.com>
	<EBF7FDD8-C3A5-4D23-8120-5DF2879593FD@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <45B1B7DE-CB10-4E3C-96C1-8669697C7075@yahoo.com>

You also have to specify the font you are using to display the  
character.
Not every font on the Mac shows a bullet char for that same ascii code.
In fact, that is part of the definition a font.  The designer decides  
which images/vector art to assign to each character.

If it is a 255 character set, then the Yen character is in the high  
ascii range, and will vary from font to font.  You can see which ones  
do on your Mac by following the steps below.

The key term is you want is "Character Map"

For the Mac follow these steps
Mac OS X character map and keyboard viewer.

First, open System Preferences and show the International settings  
pane (in the top row of icons).
Second, select the Input Menu tab and check the Keyboard Palette  
checkbox. Check the menu box that reads "Show input menu in menu bar".
Now you will notice an icon in your system's top menu bar, probably  
the U.S. flag. This the input menu. When you click on the menu you can  
select "Show Keyboard Viewer" and the palette will open, allowing you  
to select a font and hold down Option, Shift, Command keys to view  
keyboard combinations.
Extra bonus functionality:
While displaying the Keyboard Viewer, change your font in the document  
and the keyboard viewer will type in that selected font, showing the  
high-ascii symbols accordingly.

--------  very cool part of OSX
Choose Character Map from the Country Flag in the Mac menubar and  
explore how it will show you all of the fonts that contain a  
particular character and what it will look like.
You can drag and drop chars from the listings to add them to your  
documents.
Even allows browsing of unicode char sets and specifying the iso-set

For a bullet character, choose view 'all characters', then click on  
Punctuation triangle, then 'Punctuation', then scroll down to the
triangular bullet,     the bullet, and     the white bullet (a unicode  
char)
Click on the 'bullet' char and below you will see the 70 or so fonts  
that have that character.
Choose 'Modern' instead of 'Containing selected character' and you  
will see about 35-40 fonts that have a bullet character.

---------
Tool for Windows
http://wareseeker.com/free-character-map-font-viewer/


Hope this helps,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Sep 15, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:

> I remember a while back experiencing the bullet character on the Mac  
> "?" changing to the Japanese yen symbol when I moved scripts to  
> Windows.  I hope this is helpful, but if not we can always ask Mr.  
> Cragg who knows Japan quite well having lived there on many  
> occasions :)
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote:
>
>> May I'm wrong, but I think there is something odd about the yen  
>> sign (?)
>>
>> I have a pait of almost identical scripts  and each one is applied  
>> to a custom property. Among other things, the script filters the  
>> custom  property with a certain item.
>>
>> In the first case, the item will be a letter and a number (a1, b2,  
>> c4, h3, p1, etc.)
>>
>> In the second case, the item will be the same with a ? as the first  
>> character (?a1, ?b2, ?c4, ?h3,?1 p1, etc.).
>>
>> get lineoffset(line z in tText, the catsGrund of this stack)
>> put item 2 of line it in the catsGrund of this stack into tFilter  
>> -- a1, b2, c4, h3, p1, etc. or ?a1,? b2, ?c4,
>>             ?h3,?1 p1, etc.--
>> filter tempList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>> put the num of lines in templist into fld ("tn" & z)
>>
>> In the script applied to the custom property without the ? symbol,  
>> the script works. In the one with the ? sympol it doesn't work.  
>> Could this have something to do with how Rev deals with the ? char  
>> in a custom property?
>>
>> I'm just curious, because I've already worked around it using
>>
>> repeat for each line X in templist
>>     if tfilter is in item 6 in X or tfilter is in item 7 in X in L  
>> then put L & cr after zTemp
>> end repeat
>>
>> It works fine and within a millisecond or two just as fast, but  
>> again, I'm curious about that ?.
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
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From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Sep 15 18:10:30 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CalendarWidget100
In-Reply-To: <25455099.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25428570.post@talk.nabble.com> <25455099.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25462744.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Josep,

You can download calendarWidget100 at the following link:


http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm


It is listed as AltAnswerDate, which is a wrapper made by Chipp for
CalendarWidget100. 



Josep wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Where I can find "calendarWidget100"?
> 
> Salut,
> Josep
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/CalendarWidget100-tp25428570p25462744.html
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From herz at ucsd.edu  Tue Sep 15 19:12:38 2009
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:12:38 -0700
Subject: Re; Custom "Widget" Technique Question
Message-ID: <4AB01F66.8060705@ucsd.edu>

Len Morgan wrote:

>  I'm working on a new project and I'd like some advice on how to create
>  controls to use on a graphical process display.  This will
>  display a water pipeline system with all it's tanks, pipe, valves, ...

Len, In addition to the comments by Richard Gaskin and Roger Guay, there 
is a stack by Glenn Fisher - "Flow Analysis" - posted on RevOnline that 
you should check out, if you haven't already. You might also be 
interested in my stack "Dynamic Simulation v.2" and stacks by Roger 
Guay, also at RevOnline.

I am also interested in simulation of pipelines and other flow systems, 
and have a simulator under development. Download the app at 
www.SimzLab.com - open SimzLab and go to course PureWaterLab, Division 
D3, Lab L2, then click the Simulations button. See the unit palette on 
the right side - these are groups which can be added to the flowsheet, 
where the script copies the group in the palette to the flowsheet. This 
was developed before Rev 3.5 behaviors, so the scripts are in library 
stacks.

Please keep us informed of your developments in this area.

Rich Herz
herz at ucsd.edu


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 15 21:23:28 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:23:28 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Obey dontSearch properties -- not working?
In-Reply-To: <df1a206b0909151424y20d85458l83bc0c5521c0a69a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df1a206b0909151337y6ab9f322sb741b6231bca1a4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<df1a206b0909151424y20d85458l83bc0c5521c0a69a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB03E10.3090006@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Foraker wrote:
> (Reposting due to bounce)
> 
> Using Rev Studio 3.5, I have a 1,200 card stack with 59 fields. I want to
> replace a single character in any of the fields except one. I have that
> field's dontSearch property set to true. I set that in the Property
> Inspector and then tested it in the Message Box.
> 
> I bring up the Find and Replace dialog and check the checkbox, Obey
> dontSearch properties. But, when I search for the character (? -- accented
> e) the results include the field whose dontSearch is set to true.
> 
> Bug? Workaround?

I just did a quick test and it works here in 3.5. I tried searching for 
both a whole word and a single letter. I don't have any diacriticals in 
my test text though, I wonder if the glitch is with that. Does your 
stack honor the dontsearch if you look for a whole word?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From paul.foraker at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 21:43:56 2009
From: paul.foraker at gmail.com (Paul Foraker)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:43:56 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Obey dontSearch properties -- not working?
In-Reply-To: <4AB03E10.3090006@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <df1a206b0909151337y6ab9f322sb741b6231bca1a4a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df1a206b0909151424y20d85458l83bc0c5521c0a69a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AB03E10.3090006@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <df1a206b0909151843j62c58ae0r23b1e5404392ebc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> I just did a quick test and it works here in 3.5. I tried searching for
> both a whole word and a single letter. I don't have any diacriticals in my
> test text though, I wonder if the glitch is with that. Does your stack honor
> the dontsearch if you look for a whole word?
>

On further testing, it appears that if a search term is found on more than
one card, the "Obey dontSearch properties" checkbox is ignored.

-- Paul


From jiml at netrin.com  Tue Sep 15 22:34:01 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:34:01 -0700
Subject: RevMedia - ready now
In-Reply-To: <20090915152342.694D748AADC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090915152342.694D748AADC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1B7A9CA9-5862-498E-86A7-982EAA22EE2F@netrin.com>

revMedia is in Alpha.
Personally, I'd wait until beta before making release plans.

Jim Lambert


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 15 23:09:35 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:09:35 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Obey dontSearch properties -- not working?
In-Reply-To: <df1a206b0909151843j62c58ae0r23b1e5404392ebc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df1a206b0909151337y6ab9f322sb741b6231bca1a4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<df1a206b0909151424y20d85458l83bc0c5521c0a69a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB03E10.3090006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<df1a206b0909151843j62c58ae0r23b1e5404392ebc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB056EF.4060008@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Foraker wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> I just did a quick test and it works here in 3.5. I tried searching for
>> both a whole word and a single letter. I don't have any diacriticals in my
>> test text though, I wonder if the glitch is with that. Does your stack honor
>> the dontsearch if you look for a whole word?
>>
> 
> On further testing, it appears that if a search term is found on more than
> one card, the "Obey dontSearch properties" checkbox is ignored.

This may be a glitch in the IDE search dialog. I was using the message 
box to find multiple instances and it works okay. I.e., in msg:

   find "searchterm"

Repeatedly hitting the return key in the message box finds only in 
fields where dontsearch is false. I didn't try the IDE dialog.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Sep 16 03:55:54 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:55:54 +0200
Subject: =?windows-1252?q?Re=3A_What=27s_with_the_=A5_character=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <45B1B7DE-CB10-4E3C-96C1-8669697C7075@yahoo.com>
References: <01C4A1BA-DCE9-4AE3-B1F6-EE7DD3E44E88@mac.com>
	<EBF7FDD8-C3A5-4D23-8120-5DF2879593FD@LinkIt.Com>
	<45B1B7DE-CB10-4E3C-96C1-8669697C7075@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E738707E-B08B-42F2-8326-1FF2D4708799@inria.fr>


Le 15 sept. 09 ? 23:26, Jim Ault a ?crit :

> ......
> The key term is you want is "Character Map"
>
> For the Mac follow these steps
> Mac OS X character map and keyboard viewer.
>
> First, open System Preferences and show the International settings  
> pane (in the top row of icons).
> Second, select the Input Menu tab and check the Keyboard Palette  
> checkbox. Check the menu box that reads "Show input menu in menu bar".
> Now you will notice an icon in your system's top menu bar, probably  
> the U.S. flag. This the input menu.

Hi Jim,
I had set the flag in my menu bar (the French one) but
thanks a lot for the following information I never paid attention  
to ;  that's a very useful part of OSX actually; magnifique  ;-))

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

> When you click on the menu you can select "Show Keyboard Viewer" and  
> the palette will open, allowing you to select a font and hold down  
> Option, Shift, Command keys to view keyboard combinations.
> Extra bonus functionality:
> While displaying the Keyboard Viewer, change your font in the  
> document and the keyboard viewer will type in that selected font,  
> showing the high-ascii symbols accordingly.
>
> --------  very cool part of OSX
> Choose Character Map from the Country Flag in the Mac menubar and  
> explore how it will show you all of the fonts that contain a  
> particular character and what it will look like.
> You can drag and drop chars from the listings to add them to your  
> documents.
> Even allows browsing of unicode char sets and specifying the iso-set
>
> For a bullet character, choose view 'all characters', then click on  
> Punctuation triangle, then 'Punctuation', then scroll down to the
> triangular bullet,     the bullet, and     the white bullet (a  
> unicode char)
> Click on the 'bullet' char and below you will see the 70 or so fonts  
> that have that character.
> Choose 'Modern' instead of 'Containing selected character' and you  
> will see about 35-40 fonts that have a bullet character.
>
> ---------
> Tool for Windows
> http://wareseeker.com/free-character-map-font-viewer/
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>





From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Wed Sep 16 04:46:53 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:46:53 +0200
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
Message-ID: <B02E5B7D-F084-479F-BE53-D4D6CDFED63B@gmx.net>

I am completing my first commercial standalone and I am unsure of  
where to place the (sub)stacks on the user's machine.

The stack consists of a splash (main stack) with about 30 substacks.  
Some of the substacks display data which is changed by the user and  
needs to be saved.
Now, where do I put my stacks on the users machine? Until now I put  
the whole package (main stack + all substacks) into the Application  
Folder.
But I heard that this might cause problems (i.e. in Vista) because  
some setups do not allow to write to files in the Application Folder.

Is it a good way to place those substacks that need writing to, into  
the Application Support Folder? If so, how do I do that with the  
installer? I got help from Lars Bremer with the Inno Setup Installer,  
which works great, but places all (sub)stacks into the Application  
Folder. How will I solve this?

Are there any other things that I need to be aware of? To be honest,  
I am a tad nervous, as I got into contact with someone who wants to  
distribute my product big. I am not completely done (I found out) and  
he wants to move quick. I did not do extensive testing on different  
systems, just OSX 10.4 and Windows XP 2000.

How will I make an installer for mac OSX?

Thanks a lot for any help.

Beat Cornaz



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Sep 16 05:07:39 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:07:39 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <B02E5B7D-F084-479F-BE53-D4D6CDFED63B@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CE2971381E2D4E45A673B556530412D2@Kestner.local>

Hi Beat,

As I have learned recently you actually don't need an "installer" for Mac if
you don't do any sophisticated things. Just look for a tool (there are
different freeware tools), which packs all stuff into a dmg file and provide
a link in your dmg file to the program folder where the user can move your
app folder to.

On Vista and Win 7 you are right not to put any files, which have to be
changed by the user into the program files dir, because they will be
virtualized by Vista on the first change, which brings you a lot of trouble
in the future. That?s why the users documents folder or application data
folder (for all users) is the better choice.

In inno you can define more than one input folder and you can define
different target folders for each file. If you write me offlist I can
provide you an inno example file for that case.

Tiemo


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Beat Cornaz
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. September 2009 10:47
> An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Where to place (sub)stacks?
> 
> I am completing my first commercial standalone and I am unsure of
> where to place the (sub)stacks on the user's machine.
> 
> The stack consists of a splash (main stack) with about 30 substacks.
> Some of the substacks display data which is changed by the user and
> needs to be saved.
> Now, where do I put my stacks on the users machine? Until now I put
> the whole package (main stack + all substacks) into the Application
> Folder.
> But I heard that this might cause problems (i.e. in Vista) because
> some setups do not allow to write to files in the Application Folder.
> 
> Is it a good way to place those substacks that need writing to, into
> the Application Support Folder? If so, how do I do that with the
> installer? I got help from Lars Bremer with the Inno Setup Installer,
> which works great, but places all (sub)stacks into the Application
> Folder. How will I solve this?
> 
> Are there any other things that I need to be aware of? To be honest,
> I am a tad nervous, as I got into contact with someone who wants to
> distribute my product big. I am not completely done (I found out) and
> he wants to move quick. I did not do extensive testing on different
> systems, just OSX 10.4 and Windows XP 2000.
> 
> How will I make an installer for mac OSX?
> 
> Thanks a lot for any help.
> 
> Beat Cornaz
> 
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From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Wed Sep 16 05:30:47 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:30:47 +0200
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
Message-ID: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>

Hi group  & Trevor :-)

I have a significant speed difference in my datagrids. I noticed that  
the datagrids behave slow in my project. So I did a test and created   
a new main stack (test Speed) with a similar datagrid (same number of  
columns and labels) and ran the same two sripts I use in my  substack  
in my project.

One script is putting a name from an input field (after a test for  
the first free index in the datagrid) into column "Client".
The script takes 127 ticks in my project and 34 ticks in  stack "test  
Speed"

The other script imports a bunch of names and associated tasks from a  
field. Again the speed difference is remarkable : 505 versus 184 ticks.

Another problem which might be associated with it is the following :
I have originally started this project in rev 2.9 and only when the  
datagrids came along I upgraded to rev. 3.5 (because I totally  
dislike the new editor :-(   ) and implemented the datagrids. I  
noticed that my datagrids only work if I separately include the  
revdatagridLib as a substack. So it is there twice (once in the  
engine and once as a substack).
If I don't do that, the datagrids show, but have no functionality.  
Also, the revdatagridLib as a substeacks tends to 'escape' from my  
mainstack, meaning that all of a sudden it is still there, but as a  
mainstack, and not as a substack.

I suspect the two problems are related and have their cause in the  
project being started in rev 2.9.  Rebuilding the whole project in  
3.5 would be far too much work.

Thanks for your help,

Beat Cornaz



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 05:47:31 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:47:31 -0400
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
In-Reply-To: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>
References: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <7B1C4EA9-70B5-4C58-A8CE-718DF0775B59@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:30 AM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> Hi group  & Trevor :-)

Hi Beat :-)

> I have a significant speed difference in my datagrids. I noticed  
> that the datagrids behave slow in my project. So I did a test and  
> created  a new main stack (test Speed) with a similar datagrid (same  
> number of columns and labels) and ran the same two sripts I use in  
> my  substack in my project.
>
> One script is putting a name from an input field (after a test for  
> the first free index in the datagrid) into column "Client".
> The script takes 127 ticks in my project and 34 ticks in  stack  
> "test Speed"

> The other script imports a bunch of names and associated tasks from  
> a field. Again the speed difference is remarkable : 505 versus 184  
> ticks.

I would need to see some code to get an idea of what might be the  
cause. Can you provide the relevant portions and look for any  
differences there might be between what is going on with the main  
program data grid and the speed test data grid?

> Another problem which might be associated with it is the following :
> I have originally started this project in rev 2.9 and only when the  
> datagrids came along I upgraded to rev. 3.5 (because I totally  
> dislike the new editor :-(   ) and implemented the datagrids. I  
> noticed that my datagrids only work if I separately include the  
> revdatagridLib as a substack. So it is there twice (once in the  
> engine and once as a substack).
> If I don't do that, the datagrids show, but have no functionality.  
> Also, the revdatagridLib as a substeacks tends to 'escape' from my  
> mainstack, meaning that all of a sudden it is still there, but as a  
> mainstack, and not as a substack.

I don't think that bringing a 2.9 project into 3.5 would cause these  
sorts of problems. You should only have one instance of the  
revDataGridLibrary in memory at any one time. Can you explain a little  
more about how your project is set up and what stack you are building  
the engine (standalone?) with?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep 16 06:26:05 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:26:05 +0200
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
In-Reply-To: <7B1C4EA9-70B5-4C58-A8CE-718DF0775B59@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>
	<7B1C4EA9-70B5-4C58-A8CE-718DF0775B59@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <416BB856-29E9-4D53-93DA-42625926863B@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all and Beat and Trevor :-)

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:30 AM, Beat Cornaz wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Another problem which might be associated with it is the following :
>> I have originally started this project in rev 2.9 and only when the  
>> datagrids came along I upgraded to rev. 3.5 (because I totally  
>> dislike the new editor :-(   ) and implemented the datagrids. I  
>> noticed that my datagrids only work if I separately include the  
>> revdatagridLib as a substack. So it is there twice (once in the  
>> engine and once as a substack).
>> If I don't do that, the datagrids show, but have no functionality.  
>> Also, the revdatagridLib as a substeacks tends to 'escape' from my  
>> mainstack, meaning that all of a sudden it is still there, but as a  
>> mainstack, and not as a substack.
>
> I don't think that bringing a 2.9 project into 3.5 would cause these  
> sorts of problems.

There are problems when you open a stack (with behaviors) with a  
version < 3.5 and save this stack.
After opening this stack again with version >= 3.5, all behaviors are  
gone!

Just a hint, has probably nothing to do with your current problems!

> ...
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep 16 08:37:55 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:37:55 +0200
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <B02E5B7D-F084-479F-BE53-D4D6CDFED63B@gmx.net>
References: <B02E5B7D-F084-479F-BE53-D4D6CDFED63B@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <85AB34C7-72F3-4442-A285-C57D92DF50E4@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Beat,

> I am completing my first commercial standalone and I am unsure of  
> where to place the (sub)stacks on the user's machine.
>
> The stack consists of a splash (main stack) with about 30 substacks.  
> Some of the substacks display data which is changed by the user and  
> needs to be saved.
> Now, where do I put my stacks on the users machine? Until now I put  
> the whole package (main stack + all substacks) into the Application  
> Folder.
> But I heard that this might cause problems (i.e. in Vista) because  
> some setups do not allow to write to files in the Application Folder.
>
> Is it a good way to place those substacks that need writing to, into  
> the Application Support Folder? If so, how do I do that with the  
> installer? I got help from Lars Bremer with the Inno Setup  
> Installer, which works great, but places all (sub)stacks into the  
> Application Folder. How will I solve this?

If I would ever need to let the users modify and save STACK files, I  
would go this way:

1. Create all the stacks that will be modified and saved by the end  
user as MAIN stacks!
2. Import each of these stacks into a custom porperty of your SPLASH/ 
main stack
...
set the cStack01 of stack "splash or whatever" to url("binfile:" &  
path_to_your_stack)
...
3. When the app starts, I would check if these stacks have already  
been "outputted" into the users "preferences folder:
Mas OS X: specialfolderpath("preferences")
## Current user only

Windows: specialfolderpath(26)
## Current user only

Might be good style to create a subfolder for your app there!

If the stacks are not yet there, I would output all the stacks from  
your CPs:
...
put specialfolderpath("preferences") into tFolder
put the cStack01 of stack "splash or whatever" into url("binfile:" &  
tFolder & "/" & "name of original stack here...")
## NO suffix necessary!
...
4. Now the user (your app) can open any of these stack, modify them  
and save them again without permission problems.

5. Pro: If a user deletes one of your stacks (c'mon, we all know how  
they are :-D) you can quickly replace it with a fresh copy!

Know what I mean?
Drop a line if not :-)

> ,,,
> Beat Cornaz

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Sep 16 10:55:22 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:55:22 -0500
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
In-Reply-To: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>
References: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5FF66B8D-61F2-46DF-9DF0-01553DEF915E@me.com>

Beat,

If, as you said, you don't like the Rev Script editor in 3.5, you  
might check out tRev. It might be more to your liking.

On the other hand, you might not! Good luck with your grids either way.

Link about tRev below.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> only when the datagrids came along I upgraded to rev. 3.5 (because I  
> totally dislike the new editor :-(   )



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Sep 16 11:37:23 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:37:23 -0500
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <85AB34C7-72F3-4442-A285-C57D92DF50E4@major.on-rev.com>
References: <B02E5B7D-F084-479F-BE53-D4D6CDFED63B@gmx.net>
	<85AB34C7-72F3-4442-A285-C57D92DF50E4@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AD6F1DF9-4ACE-41A3-843C-B6432C668449@me.com>

Great answer from Klaus. Bravo!

That's the way to do it, IMHO.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 16, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Beat,
>
>> I am completing my first commercial standalone and I am unsure of  
>> where to place the (sub)stacks on the user's machine.
>>
>> The stack consists of a splash (main stack) with about 30  
>> substacks. Some of the substacks display data which is changed by  
>> the user and needs to be saved.
>> Now, where do I put my stacks on the users machine? Until now I put  
>> the whole package (main stack + all substacks) into the Application  
>> Folder.
>> But I heard that this might cause problems (i.e. in Vista) because  
>> some setups do not allow to write to files in the Application Folder.
>>
>> Is it a good way to place those substacks that need writing to,  
>> into the Application Support Folder? If so, how do I do that with  
>> the installer? I got help from Lars Bremer with the Inno Setup  
>> Installer, which works great, but places all (sub)stacks into the  
>> Application Folder. How will I solve this?
>
> If I would ever need to let the users modify and save STACK files, I  
> would go this way:
>
> 1. Create all the stacks that will be modified and saved by the end  
> user as MAIN stacks!
> 2. Import each of these stacks into a custom porperty of your SPLASH/ 
> main stack
> ...
> set the cStack01 of stack "splash or whatever" to url("binfile:" &  
> path_to_your_stack)
> ...
> 3. When the app starts, I would check if these stacks have already  
> been "outputted" into the users "preferences folder:
> Mas OS X: specialfolderpath("preferences")
> ## Current user only
>
> Windows: specialfolderpath(26)
> ## Current user only
>
> Might be good style to create a subfolder for your app there!
>
> If the stacks are not yet there, I would output all the stacks from  
> your CPs:
> ...
> put specialfolderpath("preferences") into tFolder
> put the cStack01 of stack "splash or whatever" into url("binfile:" &  
> tFolder & "/" & "name of original stack here...")
> ## NO suffix necessary!
> ...
> 4. Now the user (your app) can open any of these stack, modify them  
> and save them again without permission problems.
>
> 5. Pro: If a user deletes one of your stacks (c'mon, we all know how  
> they are :-D) you can quickly replace it with a fresh copy!
>
> Know what I mean?
> Drop a line if not :-)
>
>> ,,,
>> Beat Cornaz
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 16 12:13:12 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:13:12 -0700
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
In-Reply-To: <5FF66B8D-61F2-46DF-9DF0-01553DEF915E@me.com>
References: <75F42F1B-6078-4DD5-BB14-715450902D52@gmx.net>
	<5FF66B8D-61F2-46DF-9DF0-01553DEF915E@me.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909160913m4323f121vf9d1447717b764bd@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry's right -  tRev is a non-invasive, fast, clean, mean coding machine. I
use it exclusively. And the support is awesome.
you should check it out.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/16 Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>

> Beat,
>
> If, as you said, you don't like the Rev Script editor in 3.5, you might
> check out tRev. It might be more to your liking.
>
> On the other hand, you might not! Good luck with your grids either way.
>
> Link about tRev below.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
>


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Sep 16 13:35:32 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:35:32 +0200
Subject: Groups: Bugs and features ("last group" broken)?
Message-ID: <4AB121E4.2040907@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

I will discuss a number of peculiarities concerning groups.

1. "last group" is broken, at least it is unreliable
2. Rev remembers group names, even after you have ungrouped a group
3. If you select controls and group them by script the handles of the 
group are shown
4. You cannot paint on an image when it is grouped
5. Groups belong to the factors in an already reported scenario for 
safely crashing Rev

1. "last group" is broken, at least it is unreliable

 From the dictionary
 
 "Tip:  To refer to the newly-created group, use the last keyword:

  group button "Yes" and button "No"
  set the name of last group to "Do It""

Unfortunately, this is no longer the case - or has never been?. "last 
group" may indeed still refer to newly created groups, but there are a 
number of scenarios where this does *not* apply.
One example:

Create a group consisting of two graphics. Then create two fields and 
run the following script:

"on mouseUp
  select fld "one" and fld "two"
  group
  put the name of last group
end mouseUp"

You will get the name of the group of graphics, not that of the fields! 
Conclusion:

If the topmost group consists of graphics and that graphics' group is 
also on the top layer, then a newly created group of fields will not be 
the "last group" - although it may be even placed on the top layer.

This bug is apparently also the cause for sometimes creating nested 
groups up to 9 levels deep, a phenomenon I had mentioned in my last 
crash report "How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script 
lines".

Workarounds:
To be on the safe side, I have rewritten my relevant scripts using the 
"owner" property, like
"on mouseUp
  select fld "one" and fld "two"
  group
  put the owner of fld "one" into tlastgroup
end mouseUp"

Another, more circumstantial, workaround would be to use the "newgroup" 
keyword in an accompanying card script:
"on newgroup
global glastgroup
  put the name of the target into glastgroup
end newgroup"

and then refer to the global "glastgroup" in your button script.
========================

2. Rev remembers group names, even after you have ungrouped a group

Example: Create two fields, group them, and give the group a name. Then 
ungroup this group.
If you now - or at a later time - group these same two fields again, 
they will automatically get the name given to that group the first time.

Interesting "feature", what purpose would it serve?
========================

3. If you select controls and group them by script the handles of the 
group are shown

If you are in "pointer tool" mode it is convenient to see the handles of 
controls and groups in order to be able to select and manipulate them 
manually, but if you select and group in a script you do not need this 
"help", it is a nuisance at best.

Although you are in "browse tool" mode when you run the script

" select fld "one" and fld "two"
  group"

the handles of the group will be shown. If you would like to take a 
snapshot of the newly created group ( "(rect of group tlastgroup) of 
this card"), this snapshot would include the handles.

Workaround: Add two lines to the script

" select fld "one" and fld "two"
  group
  choose pointer tool
  choose browse tool".

The same holds for the ungroup command.
==========================

4. You cannot paint on an image when it is grouped

This is a bug - or feature? - that has already been discussed several times.

If you want to paint on a grouped image by script - for example using 
the "drag" command - you have first to move the image out of the group 
and then later put it back into the group, like in

"on mouseUp
  set the relayergroupedcontrols to true
  put the layer of img "x" into tlayer
  set the layer of img "x" to top
  send "mouseup" to btn "drag on image x"
  set the layer of img "x" to tlayer
  set the relayergroupedcontrols to false
end mouseUp"

Applying the global property "selectGroupedControls" or the new group 
property with the same name "selectGroupedControls" (introduced in Rev 
3.5) does not  make a difference, at least I did not succeed in putting 
together another workaround.
================================

5. Groups belong to the factors in an already reported scenario for 
safely crashing Rev

I have described this in detail in my recent post to this list "How to 
reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines". Here I just 
point out that "group" is among the elements causing to crash Rev and 
refer you to my original post for more details.

The following script assumes that you have set the angle of img "test" 
to an angle other than 0, that img "test" is ungrouped, and that img 
"Test" belongs in the category of "Pre-PNGs".

  "lock screen
  select img "Test"
  group
  set the angle of img "Test" to 0"

For the definition of "Pre-PNGs" see my above-mentioned post or the 
introduction to my stack

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/MoreAboutMasksRev3.zip> in the text 
brought up on the menu card from the topright introduction button.
========================

Seems to me, there is some work to do from the side of the Rev 
developers. I hope I have contributed something to start with.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 14:17:09 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:17:09 -0400
Subject: [ANN] New Dates For Pro App Development Course and Free Session
	Sponsored By RunRev
Message-ID: <BCC02D27-3BA7-40FF-9D1A-3FF85533E1FC@mangomultimedia.com>

Just an announcement that Blue Mango Learning Systems has scheduled  
dates for the next "Professional Application Development With  
Revolution" course. They will be September 29th and October 1st.

One exciting addition is that RunRev is sponsoring the first session  
of the 4-session course this time. This means you can attend Session  
I: Organizing For Success for free.

We are also including SQL Yoga discounts for those who purchase full  
course passes.

For more information visit:

http://tr.im/ySDI

Carry on.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 16 14:39:49 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:39:49 EDT
Subject: Groups: Bugs and features ("last group" broken)?
Message-ID: <d60.57fb2d9e.37e28af5@aol.com>

Yes, I ran into at least one of your issues back in May. Check out the "New 
groups bugaboo" thread in the archives.

Eventually I was led to a very cool feature (by Scott Rossi), the 
"templateGroup". Check this out. It is very stable. This is something solid; using 
the somewhat ephemeral "last" keyword as a hard tool always seemed like a very 
cute, but a little dishonest, methodology.

Apparently this is only a problem with groups. The "last" keyword works 
fine with, say, buttons.

Craig Newman


From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Wed Sep 16 14:46:09 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:46:09 +0200
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
Message-ID: <9CAD99C8-BE6E-4108-AB85-D8D2AA89EE07@gmx.net>

Tiemo and Klaus, thanks a lot for your excellent suggestions. I have  
a clear idea now of how to do this in a safe way. It's funny how one  
stumbles onto unsuspected stuff with the first 'real' application  
that I am making. Learning a lot :-)

Thanks ,

Beat Cornaz



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 14:51:13 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:51:13 +0300
Subject: Escaping from QT
Message-ID: <4AB133A1.8080400@gmail.com>

I have just discovered a quick way to run up an animated GIF from an image
sequence (rather than plonking every frame in place and getting w*****'s
(err . . . wrist) cramp doing it:

Get a copy of GIMP:

http://www.gimp.org/  [Mac,Win,Lin !!!!]

and:

use Quicktime (!!!!) to export a series of images from the movie file 
you wish
to convert to an animated GIF,

[parenthetically, you can do this whole thing with MPlayer (any platform):

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html

but you have to muck around in the command line interface (fioch).

then:

Open the first file (preferably a JPEG) of your exported frames with GIMP,
then open all the other frames in your directory as layers  -  File/Open 
as layer.

The save the thing as as a GIF; select SAVE AS ANIMATION, and you can choose
LOOP FOREVER if you want to lose control of the thing.

Click EXPORT:

"Bob's your uncle . . . " well, it has got to be a lot better than BILL 
being your uncle  . . .  :)

Just great for those silent movies of yesteryear.

------------------------------------------------------------

Now the big and burning question is how to line up the animated gif so 
it will play
with an AIFF file exported from the same movie file.




From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Sep 16 15:03:41 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:03:41 -0700
Subject: datagrid prevents opening stack
In-Reply-To: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <29D17A04-34DB-4DFF-A0D0-BF19D649A623@netrin.com>

Trevor,

Datagrids containing a large amount of data will prevent subsequent  
opening of that stack.
So I always uncheck persistent data.
However today I saved a stack that had a datagrid with data and even  
though persistent data was unchecked now I can't open the stack.

Is there any magic way to recover that stack or is it unretrievable now?

Should one ALWAYS uncheck persistent data and ALWAYS empty a grid  
before saving?

Thanks,
Jim Lambert



From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Wed Sep 16 15:04:43 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:04:43 +0200
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
Message-ID: <A86EB0B0-7E32-47F1-BA0A-5F62C3AE8EA9@gmx.net>

Trevor wrote ;

 >I would need to see some code to get an idea of what might be the
 >cause. Can you provide the relevant portions and look for any
 >differences there might be between what is going on with the main
 >program data grid and the speed test data grid?

I will check into this again tomorrow and see if I can get some more  
info for you on it. I will try to loosen the substack with the slow  
dataGrid from the mainstack and see if the problem persists and send  
you that substack along with the new fast teststack.


 >I don't think that bringing a 2.9 project into 3.5 would cause these
 >sorts of problems. You should only have one instance of the
 >revDataGridLibrary in memory at any one time. Can you explain a little
 >more about how your project is set up and what stack you are building
 >the engine (standalone?) with?

I needed the extra revDataGridLibrary, because otherwise the  
datagrids in my stacks do not work. They are there, but nothing  
happens. As soon as I include the extra revDataGridLibrary as a  
substack, I get the functionality of the dataGrids.
When I loaded the extra revDataGridLibrary into memory, I was asked  
to purge it and I clicked 'OK'. Then I made this revDataGridLibrary a  
substack of my mainstack.

My project is set up as follows :

mainstack (splash) with the engine
30 substacks, with 3 of them containing a dataGrid.

The speedtest I did was as follows :
I compared a substack with a dataGrid on it  with a newly made  
mainstack with a similar dataGrid (same number of columns, labelnames  
etc).
I used the same handler to import a list of tab & cr delimited data ,  
like :

Client1 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 cr
Client2 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 tab Task4 cr
Client3 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3

The speed difference was quite big.


Trevor, once again, thanks a lot for your patience and good advice.


Klaus major wrote :

 >There are problems when you open a stack (with behaviors) with a
 >version < 3.5 and save this stack.
 >After opening this stack again with version >= 3.5, all behaviors are
 >gone!
 >Just a hint, has probably nothing to do with your current problems!

I kinda can imagine that this happens. Probably an earlier version  
does not recognize behaviors and sort of strips them off. So opening  
again in 3.5 will not find them anymore. I think also other  
unsuspected things might happen by saving in an earlier version. I  
always make a copy when moving up to a new version.

Best,

Beat Cornaz



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 15:15:10 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:15:10 -0400
Subject: datagrid prevents opening stack
In-Reply-To: <29D17A04-34DB-4DFF-A0D0-BF19D649A623@netrin.com>
References: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>
	<29D17A04-34DB-4DFF-A0D0-BF19D649A623@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <B6E2941C-5E54-4C38-A2E8-51FC0ABCAA4C@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

> Datagrids containing a large amount of data will prevent subsequent  
> opening of that stack.
> So I always uncheck persistent data.
> However today I saved a stack that had a datagrid with data and even  
> though persistent data was unchecked now I can't open the stack.
>
> Is there any magic way to recover that stack or is it unretrievable  
> now?
>
> Should one ALWAYS uncheck persistent data and ALWAYS empty a grid  
> before saving?

Having a data grid with data in it shouldn't prevent a stack from  
opening (at least not that I am aware of). There was an issue with the  
data grid library that would cause problems if you tried to populate a  
data grid on a card that wasn't open. By chance do you have code that  
is doing this? If so then I can get you a newer version of the library  
that fixes this.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 16 15:18:08 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:18:08 -0700
Subject: Escaping from QT
In-Reply-To: <4AB133A1.8080400@gmail.com>
References: <4AB133A1.8080400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>

Animated gifs are terrible for anything with much resolution.
256 colors, indexed.
Animated gifs are good for logos and block images but not gradients.  And
they still stall in Rev if anything else is going on.

Compuserve invented and owned the patents on the .gif format up until a few
years ago. Early on Compuserve tried to collect on every use of the every
gif.  It was a major reason for the superior open source PNG format to be
created.

On the horizon, working today: ANIMATED PNG<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG>

this link works in Firefox, but not in Safari:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG        (72k)

I hope this gets standardized. Beautiful. Nice gradients.

"Mozilla's role in extending the PNG format to APNG echoes
Netscape<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape>'s
much earlier role in popularizing animated
GIFs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Interchange_Format#Animated_.gif>
."

perhaps we can coerce the mother ship to include it someday...
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/16 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> I have just discovered a quick way to run up an animated GIF from an image
> sequence (rather than plonking every frame in place and getting w*****'s
> (err . . . wrist) cramp doing it:
>
> Get a copy of GIMP:
>
>


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 15:24:48 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:24:48 -0400
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
In-Reply-To: <A86EB0B0-7E32-47F1-BA0A-5F62C3AE8EA9@gmx.net>
References: <A86EB0B0-7E32-47F1-BA0A-5F62C3AE8EA9@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <29D90737-AA5A-43E7-A1DB-8ADC4F8C1BE4@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> >I don't think that bringing a 2.9 project into 3.5 would cause these
> >sorts of problems. You should only have one instance of the
> >revDataGridLibrary in memory at any one time. Can you explain a  
> little
> >more about how your project is set up and what stack you are building
> >the engine (standalone?) with?
>
> I needed the extra revDataGridLibrary, because otherwise the  
> datagrids in my stacks do not work. They are there, but nothing  
> happens. As soon as I include the extra revDataGridLibrary as a  
> substack, I get the functionality of the dataGrids.
> When I loaded the extra revDataGridLibrary into memory, I was asked  
> to purge it and I clicked 'OK'. Then I made this revDataGridLibrary  
> a substack of my mainstack.
>
> My project is set up as follows :
>
> mainstack (splash) with the engine
> 30 substacks, with 3 of them containing a dataGrid.

To work with data grids and a splash stack you need to trigger the  
inclusion of the data grid when you build a standalone. I would remove  
the revDataGridLibrary as a substack of your main stack and take a  
look at the last two steps in this lesson:

What Do I Need to Do To Deploy a Standalone With A Data Grid?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3397-What-Do-I-Need-to-Do-To-Deploy-a-Standalone-With-A-Data-Grid- 
 >

I think that will fix your problem.

> The speedtest I did was as follows :
> I compared a substack with a dataGrid on it  with a newly made  
> mainstack with a similar dataGrid (same number of columns,  
> labelnames etc).
> I used the same handler to import a list of tab & cr delimited  
> data , like :
>
> Client1 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 cr
> Client2 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 tab Task4 cr
> Client3 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3
>
> The speed difference was quite big.

Is it possible that your original data grid had some custom columns or  
scripts that run when you test that aren't present in the newly made  
data grid?

> Trevor, once again, thanks a lot for your patience and good advice.

You're welcome.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Sep 16 15:35:24 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:35:24 -0700
Subject: datagrid prevents opening stack
In-Reply-To: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F47F73D5-8EDD-4487-A533-8276C3A9D96D@netrin.com>

Trevor wrote:
> Having a data grid with data in it shouldn't prevent a stack from
> opening (at least not that I am aware of). There was an issue with the
> data grid library that would cause problems if you tried to populate a
> data grid on a card that wasn't open. By chance do you have code that
> is doing this? If so then I can get you a newer version of the library
> that fixes this.
Thanks for the insight.

To answer - No, only one card and the datagrid was populated on that  
open card.
Though persistent data was unchecked I see the file size of the stack  
is 57 megs. So the data got saved even though it's not supposed to  
persist.
Odd.

Everything worked beautifully until I closed the stack and tried to re- 
open it.
No matter how I try to open this stack it just won't open.
When opening from the IDE's file menu weirdly there's no error message  
at all from Rev.
When using go in the msg box I get "stack is corrupted, check for ~  
backup file"
BTW, Where are ~ files anyway on OSX Intel?

Jim Lambert




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 15:40:42 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:40:42 -0400
Subject: datagrid prevents opening stack
In-Reply-To: <F47F73D5-8EDD-4487-A533-8276C3A9D96D@netrin.com>
References: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>
	<F47F73D5-8EDD-4487-A533-8276C3A9D96D@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <BEF45BF1-EEA0-44C5-91BB-280EA1C1596F@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

> To answer - No, only one card and the datagrid was populated on that  
> open card.
> Though persistent data was unchecked I see the file size of the  
> stack is 57 megs. So the data got saved even though it's not  
> supposed to persist.
> Odd.
>
> Everything worked beautifully until I closed the stack and tried to  
> re-open it.
> No matter how I try to open this stack it just won't open.
> When opening from the IDE's file menu weirdly there's no error  
> message at all from Rev.

If you want to try clearing out the cached data you can reset the  
cache in the message box:

set the dgCache["data"] of group "DataGrid" to empty
set the dgCache["sequencing"] of group "DataGrid" to empty

I wonder, though, if by accident you checked "cache controls" rather  
than unchecking "persistent data"? With 57 megs of data I could see  
Rev seeming to lock up if the data grid was trying to draw a control  
for every single record you have (cache controls = true) rather than  
just the visible controls like a data grid normally does.

> When using go in the msg box I get "stack is corrupted, check for ~  
> backup file"
> BTW, Where are ~ files anyway on OSX Intel?

I don't think it is any different then other platforms. Should be  
right alongside the stack file.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From jrosat at mac.com  Wed Sep 16 15:43:55 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:43:55 +0200
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
Message-ID: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>

In my company,  IT guys believe only in n-tier apps developed in Java  
with a web interface. And often, I am not satisfied with the result.

I would like to create a proof of concept (POC) to demonstrate that it  
is possible to create a n-tier app with Revolution. I read on the  
Revolution web site that it is possible to do that but I didn't  find  
an example or documentation which explains simply the concept and the  
manner of implementing it.

Links or information would be appreciated. Thank you.

J?r?me

From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Sep 14 13:10:05 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:10:05 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <9063844781.20090914094517@ahsoftware.net>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>
	<70B4C973-A0F1-4967-8283-0A90D1526C70@me.com>
	<9063844781.20090914094517@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BAD21548-21E8-4210-81AE-AA54ACD45B58@me.com>

Mark,

tRevor, actually.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jerry-
>
> Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:43:05 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Trevor and tRev are unconnected, though he was the inspiration for  
>> the
>> Decoder it has.
>
>> He also claims he has the same haircut as our logo/mascot.
>
> Would the mascot happen to be named "tRevver"?
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 15:45:42 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:45:42 -0400
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <BAD21548-21E8-4210-81AE-AA54ACD45B58@me.com>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>
	<70B4C973-A0F1-4967-8283-0A90D1526C70@me.com>
	<9063844781.20090914094517@ahsoftware.net>
	<BAD21548-21E8-4210-81AE-AA54ACD45B58@me.com>
Message-ID: <C3E83A6A-9464-454C-8063-4F8CD7DB5140@mangomultimedia.com>

My son got a T Rex costume for halloween. Maybe it will fit...

--  
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Mark,
>
> tRevor, actually.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Jerry-
>>
>> Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:43:05 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Trevor and tRev are unconnected, though he was the inspiration for  
>>> the
>>> Decoder it has.
>>
>>> He also claims he has the same haircut as our logo/mascot.
>>
>> Would the mascot happen to be named "tRevver"?
>>
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Sep 16 15:54:37 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:54:37 +0200
Subject: Groups: Bugs and features ("last group" broken)?
Message-ID: <4AB1427D.2060802@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed Sep 16, 2009, DunbarX at aol.com DunbarX at aol.com wrote

> Yes, I ran into at least one of your issues back in May. Check out the 
> "New
> groups bugaboo" thread in the archives.
>
> Eventually I was led to a very cool feature (by Scott Rossi), the
> "templateGroup". Check this out. It is very stable. This is something 
> solid; using
> the somewhat ephemeral "last" keyword as a hard tool always seemed 
> like a very
> cute, but a little dishonest, methodology.
>
> Apparently this is only a problem with groups. The "last" keyword works
> fine with, say, buttons.
>
> Craig Newman

Thanks for the confirmation of one of the group issues I listed in my 
post. I must have missed the thread in May being out of office and 
country at that time.

Using Scott's "templategroup" proposal may be handy when only one group 
building is involved.

In the case of my "Gradient Kaleidoscope" scripts I have to make 
frequent use of grouping and ungrouping (the last group) of images, and 
I find it easier and more convenient to use the workaround with finding 
the "owner" of one of the controls that have been grouped, as in -  I 
quote myself here -

  "select fld "one" and fld "two"
  group
  put the owner of fld "one" into tlastgroup"


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http:www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Sep 16 16:00:42 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:00:42 +0200
Subject: datagrid problem with arrow btn
Message-ID: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>

Hi list

Little question about datagrid

I have a datagird "form" style

there is an arrow btn to close or open a fld (as in the webinar)

I have a mouseDown fuction in the behavior script

I want to close or open all the arrows at once
so my script is

   dgmouseDown
    if pmouseBtnNum is "1" then
       if the short name of the target is "arrow" then
        if the optionKey is "down" then
        put the dgData of group "DataGrid historique" into theData
        repeat for each key tkey in theData
           put "false" into theData[tKey]["expanded"]
       end repeat
       set the dgData of of group "DataGrid historique" to theData
       send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid historique"
    else
    ...

it doesn't work !

what is wrong ?

thanks

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 16:07:40 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:07:40 -0400
Subject: datagrid problem with arrow btn
In-Reply-To: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>
References: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <D6860097-B87F-4DDC-9BF2-AABB8019E759@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> I want to close or open all the arrows at once
> so my script is
>
>  dgmouseDown
>   if pmouseBtnNum is "1" then
>      if the short name of the target is "arrow" then
>       if the optionKey is "down" then
>       put the dgData of group "DataGrid historique" into theData
>       repeat for each key tkey in theData
>          put "false" into theData[tKey]["expanded"]
>      end repeat
>      set the dgData of of group "DataGrid historique" to theData
>      send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid historique"
>   else
>   ...
>
> it doesn't work !
>
> what is wrong ?

It probably because you are trying to redraw the data grid from inside  
an event that was sent to a data grid control. The engine doesn't like  
it when you try to delete a control that is processing an event.

What Sorts of Things Should I Not Do In Order To Avoid Needless  
Suffering?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3093-What-Sorts-of-Things-Should-I-Not-Do-In-Order-To-Avoid-Needless-Suffering- 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 16:09:45 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:09:45 +0300
Subject: Escaping from QT
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB133A1.8080400@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB14609.2060000@gmail.com>

ImageJ:

http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/ 

Cross-platform, Java

allows one to make animated PNGs

this:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/giftoapngconver/  also Java-based (Win,Lin)

converts animated GIFs into APNGs (although that is fairly silly as you
will keep the 256 colour limit in the original GIFs)

KSquirrel views APNGs (amongst 56 other formats):

http://ksquirrel.sourceforge.net/  (Linux KDE; although this is not
strictly true as it can work with GNOME)

However I don't see much future in this if tha major browsers (and RunRev)
don't support it.

stephen barncard wrote:
> Animated gifs are terrible for anything with much resolution.
> 256 colors, indexed.
> Animated gifs are good for logos and block images but not gradients.  And
> they still stall in Rev if anything else is going on.
>
> Compuserve invented and owned the patents on the .gif format up until a few
> years ago. Early on Compuserve tried to collect on every use of the every
> gif.  It was a major reason for the superior open source PNG format to be
> created.
>
> On the horizon, working today: ANIMATED PNG<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG>
>
> this link works in Firefox, but not in Safari:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG        (72k)
>
> I hope this gets standardized. Beautiful. Nice gradients.
>
> "Mozilla's role in extending the PNG format to APNG echoes
> Netscape<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape>'s
> much earlier role in popularizing animated
> GIFs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Interchange_Format#Animated_.gif>
> ."
>
> perhaps we can coerce the mother ship to include it someday...
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/16 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>
>   
>> I have just discovered a quick way to run up an animated GIF from an image
>> sequence (rather than plonking every frame in place and getting w*****'s
>> (err . . . wrist) cramp doing it:
>>
>> Get a copy of GIMP:
>>
>>
>>     
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Sep 16 16:12:19 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:12:19 +0200
Subject: Escaping from QT
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB133A1.8080400@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <144A7FE9-D3A8-46DF-A7A4-D091DD8CC1D5@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 16 sept. 09 ? 21:18, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> Animated gifs are terrible for anything with much resolution.
> 256 colors, indexed.
> Animated gifs are good for logos and block images but not  
> gradients.  And
> they still stall in Rev if anything else is going on.
>
> Compuserve invented and owned the patents on the .gif format up  
> until a few
> years ago. Early on Compuserve tried to collect on every use of the  
> every
> gif.  It was a major reason for the superior open source PNG format  
> to be
> created.
>
> On the horizon, working today: ANIMATED PNG<http://en.wikipedia.org/ 
> wiki/APNG>
>

I have to add that considering a video as a simple sequence of images  
is a very inefficient concept. Most videos, most of the time, only  
feature slight variations from one frame to another. Hence the idea  
of including "key frames" with details and intermediary variations in  
typically smaller smaller chunks of data. Detecting abrupt changes  
from an image to the following one is a challenging task. The  
following example shows that this notion of "abrupt change" may be  
somehow subtle.

 From what I remember of the draft of the future-MPEG-to-come in the  
late 90's, it was supposed to include information about "video  
objects". For instance, if you look at a football match (whatever  
flavor) chances are that you will see interesting action in the  
"foreground", i.e. players with fast movements which demand great  
detail, and a more or less static background (supporters) which is  
less interesting and hence, does not require high fidelity. The then- 
future MPEG was supposed to separate the two components and encode  
them differently. I do not know if this was ever implemented.

cheers
	Fran?ois



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Sep 16 16:25:13 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:25:13 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev release
In-Reply-To: <C3E83A6A-9464-454C-8063-4F8CD7DB5140@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <f99b52860909131759h92c3bc0ub836dd55d5e60123@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160909131936qe6a38f5m69f55fb231ae5be0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0909140127p3f0db8e4va1f19819252b6f26@mail.gmail.com>
	<70B4C973-A0F1-4967-8283-0A90D1526C70@me.com>
	<9063844781.20090914094517@ahsoftware.net>
	<BAD21548-21E8-4210-81AE-AA54ACD45B58@me.com>
	<C3E83A6A-9464-454C-8063-4F8CD7DB5140@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <96829420-FB46-434A-ABD3-B4CF19E09430@me.com>

Need picture of you in it.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 16, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> My son got a T Rex costume for halloween. Maybe it will fit...
>
> -- Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> tRevor, actually.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry-
>>>
>>> Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:43:05 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trevor and tRev are unconnected, though he was the inspiration  
>>>> for the
>>>> Decoder it has.
>>>
>>>> He also claims he has the same haircut as our logo/mascot.
>>>
>>> Would the mascot happen to be named "tRevver"?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> -Mark Wieder
>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Sep 16 16:31:54 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:31:54 +0200
Subject: datagrid problem with arrow btn
In-Reply-To: <D6860097-B87F-4DDC-9BF2-AABB8019E759@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>
	<D6860097-B87F-4DDC-9BF2-AABB8019E759@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <6BBC27D8-BC97-44D2-ACD0-DB461B8C3CC9@skynet.be>


Le 16-sept.-09 ? 22:07, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> I want to close or open all the arrows at once
>> so my script is
>>
>> dgmouseDown
>>  if pmouseBtnNum is "1" then
>>     if the short name of the target is "arrow" then
>>      if the optionKey is "down" then
>>      put the dgData of group "DataGrid historique" into theData
>>      repeat for each key tkey in theData
>>         put "false" into theData[tKey]["expanded"]
>>     end repeat
>>     set the dgData of of group "DataGrid historique" to theData
>>     send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid historique"
>>  else
>>  ...
>>
>> it doesn't work !
>>
>> what is wrong ?
>
> It probably because you are trying to redraw the data grid from  
> inside an event that was sent to a data grid control. The engine  
> doesn't like it when you try to delete a control that is processing  
> an event.
>
> What Sorts of Things Should I Not Do In Order To Avoid Needless  
> Suffering?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3093-What-Sorts-of-Things-Should-I-Not-Do-In-Order-To-Avoid-Needless-Suffering- 
> >
>
>


Re,

So, there is no solution ?????

Thanks for your quick reply

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 16:32:03 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:32:03 +0300
Subject: Escaping from QT
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB133A1.8080400@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70909161218s29457df0kb695125373790ad5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB14B43.2060204@gmail.com>

MNG is an animated image file format, however
it appears to have even less support than APNG and files
are significantly bigger:

http://www.libmng.com/download.html?cat=3

in theory it sound lovely (transparent jpegs and so on):

http://www.libpng.org/pub/mng/

"MNGZILLA"; 'an open source project to develop a patch
to restore MNG/JNG support to Mozilla' (which is funny,
semantically, as it suggests that Firefox could handle MNGs
at one time . . . ???) is, frankly, mingin, as it froze solid in
early 2006.

Probably animated SVGs are a better way to go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG_animation

(all browsers except . . . you guessed it; MSIE, support this)

MadSwatter is a Firefox add-on which is an SVG animation editor
[Humpf . . . probably a good idea to convert your old jpegs and
so forth into SVG format with Inkscape first:

http://www.inkscape.org/    Inkscape doesn't cope with animations, yet. ]

http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/MadSwatter

and Ikivo is a commercial alternative:

Icewalkers.com/  (no HTTP  !!!!)

Ultimately, if RunRev doesn't support these animated formats,
either in stacks, standalones or revlets it really doesn't matter
 whether browsers support them or not.




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 16:36:06 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:36:06 +0100
Subject: datagrid problem with arrow btn
In-Reply-To: <6BBC27D8-BC97-44D2-ACD0-DB461B8C3CC9@skynet.be>
References: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>
	<D6860097-B87F-4DDC-9BF2-AABB8019E759@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6BBC27D8-BC97-44D2-ACD0-DB461B8C3CC9@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909161336p176026f2t7da71701f8e23e43@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/16 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>

>
> Re,
>>
>
> So, there is no solution ?????
>
> Thanks for your quick reply


You can and often need to ":

send yourDatagridCommand to group "Datagrid 1" in 2 ticks
>

 Hope that makes sense - its a problem that the datagrid deletes all it's
inards and recopies them in all the time - so if your script is initiated
from a row template inside the datagrid - well it doesn't like deleting
itself :)


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Sep 16 16:48:14 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:48:14 +0200
Subject: datagrid problem with arrow btn
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909161336p176026f2t7da71701f8e23e43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>
	<D6860097-B87F-4DDC-9BF2-AABB8019E759@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6BBC27D8-BC97-44D2-ACD0-DB461B8C3CC9@skynet.be>
	<c1c5836b0909161336p176026f2t7da71701f8e23e43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34E5E07F-9BB1-4053-BE5A-2DC44396D2D3@skynet.be>


Le 16-sept.-09 ? 22:36, David Bovill a ?crit :

> 2009/9/16 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
>
>>
>> Re,
>>>
>>
>> So, there is no solution ?????
>>
>> Thanks for your quick reply
>
>
> You can and often need to ":
>
> send yourDatagridCommand to group "Datagrid 1" in 2 ticks
>>
>
> Hope that makes sense - its a problem that the datagrid deletes all  
> it's
> inards and recopies them in all the time - so if your script is  
> initiated
> from a row template inside the datagrid - well it doesn't like  
> deleting
> itself :)
>

re,

it's not a "delete" command in this case

I just want to close/open all in once all the  disclosure triangle  
(arrow btn)
but I understand my script is nested in himself !
no issue !

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 16 17:00:18 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:00:18 -0700
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
References: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7BF5BEFD-3CC7-44AF-86D7-04DD84104CE2@yahoo.com>


On Sep 16, 2009, at 12:43 PM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> In my company,  IT guys believe only in n-tier apps developed in  
> Java with a web interface. And often, I am not satisfied with the  
> result.
>
> I would like to create a proof of concept (POC) to demonstrate that  
> it is possible to create a n-tier app with Revolution. I read on the  
> Revolution web site that it is possible to do that but I didn't   
> find an example or documentation which explains simply the concept  
> and the manner of implementing it.
>
> Links or information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Of course n-tier programming is possible using various combinations of  
communication between servers and Rev stacks, iRev scripts, and cgi  
scripts.

I will be developing many-tiers this Fall that distribute information,  
functions, and workload among several computers.  My core app will be  
Rev and the mothership will be On-Rev.

Currently I run some private networking using a combination of web  
server (Apache-PHP) and Rev stacks that 'talk' to each other behind a  
firewall.  The basic structure is

(4) Mac mini web servers behind a firewall
(1) Windows 2003 server behind a second firewall
(5) remote computers that run apps that connect and interact with (4)  
of the computers in this data center.

The (4) Mac mini servers interact with each other and the Win 2003 Rev  
app, which also continuously updates info on the (4) Mac mini servers.

On the outside computers, (3) of them use XP Pro and non-Rev programs  
to interact with the Rev apps in the data center, and (2) of the  
computers are OSX and use Rev apps to interact.  The Win 2003 machine  
is not reachable from the outside and all network traffic must go  
through one of the Mac mini servers and a Rev app.

The web server option is used on the Mac mini servers in order to  
provide a web browser interface to documentation, network status  
details, and report files as feedback.

All of the data transfer and interaction could be done without the use  
of apache, and just using Rev apps.
This particular customer design requires that all the Rev apps be  
running constantly 24/7, so cgi is not a good option.
I use PHP in apache to receive a query from outside, then a UDP socket  
to send a packet to the revAgent.app on that same computer.  The  
revAgent.app communicates with the other (3) revAgent.app's and the  
revHost.app programs on the internal network.  All of the  
revAgent.app's are directly reachable from the outside.

After final developments are done, I will be converting the PHP script  
to a Rev cgi, thus making the data center network a very speedy all- 
Rev n-tier solution.

---
Starting next week I will be developing a separate system for a  
different business that will be a more extensive collection and  
collaboration between many servers, some of which will be web  
servers.  This will be a constellation with the central apps running  
on the On-Rev server, most likely with multiple user accounts.  This  
will mean lots of Rev scripts and apps exchanging data and files,  
doing timed utility functions, and serving hundreds of web pages and  
thousands of videos, on 30-70 servers around the world.

Some of the workflow will be done using web interfaces, but most of  
the workflow will be done by using Rev stacks and apps running on the  
client computers of our marketing group.
I am expecting that I will be the only Rev programmer, but not the  
only web design & video content creator.  The tools I build will be  
used by the marketing team and our clients, not by the public.
---
At the moment I don't know of any links or documentation any where for  
Proof of Concept.  These stacks, scripts, and apps are part of my  
private development work.
In a few weeks I should have some working examples that I will make  
available as public examples, especially for members of this list.

I do have an example of a set of ( revA.app, revB.app, revC.exe ) that  
interact with a Yahoo web server, update each others interface, and  
update files on the hard drives of two computers, one a Mac and the  
other XP Pro.  I use it as a customer demo of automation between  
computers and platforms.  I will convert it to an all-Rev demo and  
notify you in the next week or two when it is ready.
---

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 17:01:06 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:01:06 -0400
Subject: datagrid problem with arrow btn
In-Reply-To: <34E5E07F-9BB1-4053-BE5A-2DC44396D2D3@skynet.be>
References: <78378EA6-EBCE-4846-BBF5-56420650C184@skynet.be>
	<D6860097-B87F-4DDC-9BF2-AABB8019E759@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6BBC27D8-BC97-44D2-ACD0-DB461B8C3CC9@skynet.be>
	<c1c5836b0909161336p176026f2t7da71701f8e23e43@mail.gmail.com>
	<34E5E07F-9BB1-4053-BE5A-2DC44396D2D3@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <29726D73-649F-42CD-A7C2-8BA50CCD7A62@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> it's not a "delete" command in this case
>
> I just want to close/open all in once all the  disclosure triangle  
> (arrow btn)
> but I understand my script is nested in himself !
> no issue !

send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid historique"

will delete controls which can cause problems. You could try sending  
in 0 seconds.

send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid historique" in 0 seconds

The other option would be something like this:

dgmouseDown
if pmouseBtnNum is "1" then
    if the short name of the target is "arrow" then
     if the optionKey is "down" then
     put the dgData of group "DataGrid historique" into theData
     repeat for each key tkey in theData
	SetDataOfIndex tKey, "expanded", false
    end repeat
    send "RefreshList" to me in 0 seconds
else

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 16 17:20:02 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:20:02 EDT
Subject: Groups: Bugs and features ("last group" broken)?
Message-ID: <d1f.49289492.37e2b082@aol.com>

Wilhelm:

Workarounds. That is one of the endearing things about Rev.

I still like the templateGroup method, where, for example, you could set 
the name of each new group to some text (like "groupNumber") appended with the 
number of groups plus 1. So the last group of 15 would be:

group "groupNumber15"

This ties up the name of the templateGroup, of course.

Ken Ray suggested trapping the "newGroup" message. I suppose you could use 
this to set a property or the group name, similar to the templateGroup 
scenario.

Any of these can get you any group you need, just querying them all.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/16/09 3:55:02 PM, sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de writes:


> In the case of my "Gradient Kaleidoscope" scripts I have to make
> frequent use of grouping and ungrouping (the last group) of images, and
> I find it easier and more convenient to use the workaround with finding
> the "owner" of one of the controls that have been grouped, as in -? I
> quote myself here -
> 



From psahores at free.fr  Wed Sep 16 17:47:45 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:47:45 +0200
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
References: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1C047C9F-4126-4A62-A9C9-802BDB1ABABB@free.fr>

Hi J?r?me,

Perhaps would you be interested in having an eye to this, as a work in  
progress on-rev project and proof of concept :

<http://www.woooooooords.com/>

It's mainly build on top of a 200 ko irev server-side lib + a MySQL 5  
backend + some tousands of XML datasource files. At this time, it runs  
a Java applet too, witch will be replaced with a revlet as soon as  
this one will become available as a GM version.

The best of all is the speed and stability of the revserver engine.  
Don't hesite to ask for more details offlist.

Best Regards,


Le 16 sept. 09 ? 21:43, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> In my company,  IT guys believe only in n-tier apps developed in  
> Java with a web interface. And often, I am not satisfied with the  
> result.
>
> I would like to create a proof of concept (POC) to demonstrate that  
> it is possible to create a n-tier app with Revolution. I read on the  
> Revolution web site that it is possible to do that but I didn't   
> find an example or documentation which explains simply the concept  
> and the manner of implementing it.
>
> Links or information would be appreciated. Thank you.
>
> J?r?me_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From jrosat at mac.com  Wed Sep 16 18:29:27 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:29:27 +0200
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <7BF5BEFD-3CC7-44AF-86D7-04DD84104CE2@yahoo.com>
References: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
	<7BF5BEFD-3CC7-44AF-86D7-04DD84104CE2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <599973C5-4CA2-4A71-9D0C-6FA1EFC218D2@mac.com>

Jim,

Wouaw ! (a French expression which expresses my admiration)

Thank you very much for these explanations.

To be honest, I imagined a simpler concepte for my POC ;-)

> This particular customer design requires that all the Rev apps be  
> running constantly 24/7, so cgi is not a good option.

Why cgi is not a good option ? In your case or generally in a n-tier  
structure developed with Revolution ?

> I use PHP in apache to receive a query from outside, then a UDP  
> socket to send a packet to the revAgent.app on that same computer.

If I understand the structure well, the Mac mini, on which runs the  
Apache server, "distributes work" to the other Mac min ?

> In a few weeks I should have some working examples that I will make  
> available as public examples, especially for members of this list.
> I will convert it to an all-Rev demo and notify you in the next week  
> or two when it is ready.

Thank you again, it will be very instructive.

J?r?me



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep 16 18:47:54 2009
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:47:54 +1000
Subject: Deploy to Linux
Message-ID: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>

Howdy

I need to build and deploy an application on Linux as my client is  
looking at the low end netbooks. I haven't looked at Linux for a long  
time and thought I'd get some advice before I jump in. From memory,  
application installation/packaging was specific to the distribution???

If someone could talk me through the process they go through to deploy  
on Linux it would be appreciated.

Cheers

Monte


From jrosat at mac.com  Wed Sep 16 18:53:50 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:53:50 +0200
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <1C047C9F-4126-4A62-A9C9-802BDB1ABABB@free.fr>
References: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
	<1C047C9F-4126-4A62-A9C9-802BDB1ABABB@free.fr>
Message-ID: <5DC47C88-A18E-4B84-A5A0-E112733E6C21@mac.com>

Bonjour Pierre,

Thank you for the link. Indeed it is fast.

I read your tutorial about "Serveur d'application TCP/IP". It's  
perfect for a POC. But the download link is broken. Is it possible to  
have a other link to download it ?

Le 16 sept. 2009 ? 23:47, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :

> Hi J?r?me,
>
> Perhaps would you be interested in having an eye to this, as a work  
> in progress on-rev project and proof of concept :
>
> <http://www.woooooooords.com/>
>
> It's mainly build on top of a 200 ko irev server-side lib + a MySQL  
> 5 backend + some tousands of XML datasource files. At this time, it  
> runs a Java applet too, witch will be replaced with a revlet as soon  
> as this one will become available as a GM version.
>
> The best of all is the speed and stability of the revserver engine.  
> Don't hesite to ask for more details offlist.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Le 16 sept. 09 ? 21:43, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :
>
>> In my company,  IT guys believe only in n-tier apps developed in  
>> Java with a web interface. And often, I am not satisfied with the  
>> result.
>>
>> I would like to create a proof of concept (POC) to demonstrate that  
>> it is possible to create a n-tier app with Revolution. I read on  
>> the Revolution web site that it is possible to do that but I  
>> didn't  find an example or documentation which explains simply the  
>> concept and the manner of implementing it.
>>
>> Links or information would be appreciated. Thank you.
>>
>> J?r?me_______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>
> www.woooooooords.com
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 16 19:06:57 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:06:57 -0700
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <599973C5-4CA2-4A71-9D0C-6FA1EFC218D2@mac.com>
References: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
	<7BF5BEFD-3CC7-44AF-86D7-04DD84104CE2@yahoo.com>
	<599973C5-4CA2-4A71-9D0C-6FA1EFC218D2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A9D5BFBE-CC43-4471-86FE-E28EB48B50DF@yahoo.com>


On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:29 PM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Wouaw ! (a French expression which expresses my admiration)
>
> Thank you very much for these explanations.
>
> To be honest, I imagined a simpler concepte for my POC ;-)
>
>> This particular customer design requires that all the Rev apps be  
>> running constantly 24/7, so cgi is not a good option.
>
> Why cgi is not a good option ? In your case or generally in a n-tier  
> structure developed with Revolution ?
A CGI script or program is run as a new instance with each query  
received by apache, then disappears when it finishes.  All the  
variables evaporate.  There is a variation called Fast CGI, but this  
is not always a good use of web server resources and has some  
downsides.  In my design, it is far, far, far, far better to make one  
or two rev.apps to do the real work.  Did I mention that it is far  
better?
>
>> I use PHP in apache to receive a query from outside, then a UDP  
>> socket to send a packet to the revAgent.app on that same computer.
>
> If I understand the structure well, the Mac mini, on which runs the  
> Apache server, "distributes work" to the other Mac min ?
Yes, signals and data are sent between all (5) computers.
>
>> In a few weeks I should have some working examples that I will make  
>> available as public examples, especially for members of this list.
>> I will convert it to an all-Rev demo and notify you in the next  
>> week or two when it is ready.
>
> Thank you again, it will be very instructive.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Sep 16 20:02:02 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:02:02 -0700
Subject: [ANN] New Dates For Pro App Development Course and Free
In-Reply-To: <20090916215110.12BA148AB57@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090916215110.12BA148AB57@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C748732E-BE56-4E22-9BE1-857720B9C384@netrin.com>

I took this course the last time it was offered and I highly recommend  
it.

Jim Lambert


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep 16 20:21:28 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:21:28 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
Message-ID: <D60F1A569F9D44ADB871D6DE12A4A2A9@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

Anyone interested in a solid 3D game engine for Revolution? :-) This is
getting good enough to show, so we thought we'd show it.

Thanks to everyone who downloaded the initial beta. Id like to let everyone
know that they can download the beta stack/component, and we've set up an
install of Mantis to accept bug/issue reports. This is the same material,
and its Windows only at the moment. But don't fret, we have a Mac OS X
version in the works. Of course on the Mac, you have OpenGL (on Windows,
OpenGL or DirectX).

If you already did some testing, we'd appreciate it if you would fill in the
mantis reports - the download is version 1.0b2. It is very important that
you update your video drivers and also submit your video card info, OS,
processor info and the like, esp when it comes to performance.

This is a stack with about 12 demos in it. Most are working just fine on
Windows XP with a reasonably modern Direct X 9 compatible video card, as
well as OpenGL. The Irrlicht file format loader seems to be still giving us
some trouble but its being worked on. These are all based on the Irrlicht
demos. The demos do a bit more than their names imply. The Hello World
example shows things like loading an animated mesh, for example. The Mesh
loader example gives you some idea how call backs work.

Download: http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip

Report Issues: http://www.franklin3d.com/bt

What is Franklin 3D?
-----------------------
Franklin 3D ports the stable, muscular Irrlicht engine so that its
accessible within Runtime Revolution. You will be able to make OpenGL or
DirectX powered games.

Where to Learn More
-----------------------
The website is just coming together, here: http://franklin3d.com/. It will
be more polished over the next few days.

Where Can I Buy it?
-----------------------
You can pre-order it from the franklin3d.com online store. Anyone who
pre-orders gets a license right away, plus 12 months of updates (or more,
"founders" we may fudge on and give more update time). All our initial sales
go towards paying developers to polish up and complete the Mac OS X version.
All pre-orders folks get access to the private beta list too.

I can answer some questions on the list - feel free.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 16 21:28:36 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:28:36 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <D60F1A569F9D44ADB871D6DE12A4A2A9@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <C6D6DED4.44623%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Anyone interested in a solid 3D game engine for Revolution? :-) This is
> getting good enough to show, so we thought we'd show it.

I'm interested, but is the demo not intended for Vista?
Error when clicking the start button (Rev 3.5):

executing at 6:25:48 PM
Type    Function: error in function handler
Object    1 example
Line    put logging(gDoLog) // put this function to set uu or set of your
logs
Hint    logging


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 16 21:36:44 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:36:44 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <C6D6DED4.44623%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C6D6E0BC.44626%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, I wrote:

>> Anyone interested in a solid 3D game engine for Revolution? :-) This is
>> getting good enough to show, so we thought we'd show it.
> 
> I'm interested, but is the demo not intended for Vista?
> Error when clicking the start button (Rev 3.5):

Never mind -- got the externals copied in the correct locations now and the
demo is working.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Sep 16 23:03:37 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:03:37 -0500
Subject: datagrid prevents opening stack
In-Reply-To: <B6E2941C-5E54-4C38-A2E8-51FC0ABCAA4C@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>	<29D17A04-34DB-4DFF-A0D0-BF19D649A623@netrin.com>
	<B6E2941C-5E54-4C38-A2E8-51FC0ABCAA4C@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4AB1A709.8050104@crcom.net>

Trevor,

Since the datagrid library is distributed with runRev, how can we be 
sure we have the latest version since runRev is being updated so 
slowly?  Is there a way to know if we have the latest version and where 
to get an update if not?

len morgan

> Having a data grid with data in it shouldn't prevent a stack from 
> opening (at least not that I am aware of). There was an issue with the 
> data grid library that would cause problems if you tried to populate a 
> data grid on a card that wasn't open. By chance do you have code that 
> is doing this? If so then I can get you a newer version of the library 
> that fixes this.
>


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 16 23:22:11 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:22:11 -0400
Subject: datagrid prevents opening stack
In-Reply-To: <4AB1A709.8050104@crcom.net>
References: <20090916170005.4FEE648AA82@mail.runrev.com>	<29D17A04-34DB-4DFF-A0D0-BF19D649A623@netrin.com>
	<B6E2941C-5E54-4C38-A2E8-51FC0ABCAA4C@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4AB1A709.8050104@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1BC60D29-B8CD-4DFF-B959-10DF9A7A506C@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> Since the datagrid library is distributed with runRev, how can we be  
> sure we have the latest version since runRev is being updated so  
> slowly?  Is there a way to know if we have the latest version and  
> where to get an update if not?

You can check which version you have by executing the following in the  
message box:

put the uRIP["version"] of stack "revDataGridLibrary" && "build" &&  
the uRIP["buildnumber"] of stack "revDataGridLibrary"

Currently I don't have a central place to distribute the latest data  
grid but perhaps I should set up a page for it. You can download the  
latest (1.0.0 build 22) here for now:

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/tools/revdatagridlibrary.rev.zip 
 >

This is the version I used at RunRevLive and it has the new drag  
reorder/drag drop functionality built in. Not documented yet though.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 17 03:06:50 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:06:50 +0200
Subject: Groups: Bugs and features ("last group" broken)?
In-Reply-To: <4AB1427D.2060802@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4AB1427D.2060802@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <B2826A6A-C6BF-42D7-BB7A-79BF04235888@economy-x-talk.com>

Yup! The owner is the solution. I just ran into the very same problem  
and not knowing which group has been created, I can use the owner of a  
grouped object, because I know which objects have been grouped :-) The  
other issues don't seem to affect me that much at this moment.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 16 sep 2009, at 21:54, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> Thanks for the confirmation of one of the group issues I listed in  
> my post. I must have missed the thread in May being out of office  
> and country at that time.
>
> Using Scott's "templategroup" proposal may be handy when only one  
> group building is involved.
>
> In the case of my "Gradient Kaleidoscope" scripts I have to make  
> frequent use of grouping and ungrouping (the last group) of images,  
> and I find it easier and more convenient to use the workaround with  
> finding the "owner" of one of the controls that have been grouped,  
> as in -  I quote myself here -
>
> "select fld "one" and fld "two"
> group
> put the owner of fld "one" into tlastgroup"
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
> <http:www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From psahores at free.fr  Thu Sep 17 03:46:31 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:46:31 +0200
Subject: How to create a n-tier app with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <5DC47C88-A18E-4B84-A5A0-E112733E6C21@mac.com>
References: <4EA2AEB8-103C-40CB-81AF-D43DCC44473E@mac.com>
	<1C047C9F-4126-4A62-A9C9-802BDB1ABABB@free.fr>
	<5DC47C88-A18E-4B84-A5A0-E112733E6C21@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F198CC60-614C-42CB-983D-D3A9797138B0@free.fr>

Hi J?r?me,

The tutorial page has moved and is still available there :

<http://195.14.22.232/insead/index.html>

The described solution is becoming less usefull yet that on-rev and  
the forecoming revserver are making my PHP "workaround solution"  way  
obsolete.

I recommand warmly to go to the on-rev / revserver technology instead.  
It works perfectly in each compartiment of the game (POST / GET /  
PUT / FTP, etc...).

Again, my 10 years old PHP sockets listener/translator is no more a  
needed alternative.

Best Regards,

Pierre



Le 17 sept. 09 ? 00:53, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> Bonjour Pierre,
>
> Thank you for the link. Indeed it is fast.
>
> I read your tutorial about "Serveur d'application TCP/IP". It's  
> perfect for a POC. But the download link is broken. Is it possible  
> to have a other link to download it ?
>
> Le 16 sept. 2009 ? 23:47, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :
>
>> Hi J?r?me,
>>
>> Perhaps would you be interested in having an eye to this, as a work  
>> in progress on-rev project and proof of concept :
>>
>> <http://www.woooooooords.com/>
>>
>> It's mainly build on top of a 200 ko irev server-side lib + a MySQL  
>> 5 backend + some tousands of XML datasource files. At this time, it  
>> runs a Java applet too, witch will be replaced with a revlet as  
>> soon as this one will become available as a GM version.
>>
>> The best of all is the speed and stability of the revserver engine.  
>> Don't hesite to ask for more details offlist.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Le 16 sept. 09 ? 21:43, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :
>>
>>> In my company,  IT guys believe only in n-tier apps developed in  
>>> Java with a web interface. And often, I am not satisfied with the  
>>> result.
>>>
>>> I would like to create a proof of concept (POC) to demonstrate  
>>> that it is possible to create a n-tier app with Revolution. I read  
>>> on the Revolution web site that it is possible to do that but I  
>>> didn't  find an example or documentation which explains simply the  
>>> concept and the manner of implementing it.
>>>
>>> Links or information would be appreciated. Thank you.
>>>
>>> J?r?me_______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>>
>> www.woooooooords.com
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Thu Sep 17 04:52:17 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:52:17 +0200
Subject: Datagrid speed problem
Message-ID: <251CE918-49DD-46CA-8F7F-30F00D995EB3@gmx.net>

Trevor wrote :

 >To work with data grids and a splash stack you need to trigger the
 >inclusion of the data grid when you build a standalone. I would remove
 >the revDataGridLibrary as a substack of your main stack and take a
 >look at the last two steps in this lesson:

 >What Do I Need to Do To Deploy a Standalone With A Data Grid?

I read the lesson but needed to do it a bit different as I already  
had a Splash (= Mainstack) with 30 substacks. When I added a datagrid  
to one of the substacks, a   stack called "Data Gris templates  
1243450502445" got added as a substack of my Splash(mainstack). I  
made 3 different Datagrids on 3 different substacks.

Now this stack "Data Gris templates 1243450502445" contains 3 cards  
corresponding to the 3 datagrids which are in 3 separate substacks  
(so on the same hierarchical level as the stack "Data Gris templates  
1243450502445").  I think this would be the normal situation. One  
mainstack with several substacks, one of them being the  "Data Gris  
templates 1243450502445". But this setup makes standalones where the  
datagrids do nothing.

Now I had to separately add the revdatagridLib as a substack of my  
Splash (mainstack), otherwise the datagrids do not work in the  
standalones. If I remove the revdatagridLib (as a substack), the  
datagrids stop working in the IDE. After quitting Rev and  opening  
the stack again in Rev the Datagrids work again in the IDE. But  
making a standalone yields a version where the datagrids again do not  
work. If I include the revdatagridLib as a substack of my Splash 
(mainstack), then in the standalones, the datagrids do work, but slow.

I started to use the GLX framework and I will move this project into  
the GLX framework and see if the speed problem is solved.

Thanks again for your answer,

Best,

Beat Cornaz



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 05:01:12 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:01:12 +0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
Message-ID: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>

SOT - Slightly Off Topic

http://www.haiku-os.org/

Will RunRev be able, in the future, to produce standalones for this
Be OS clone?

Will there be a revWeb plug-in for Haiku so that revlets can be accessed
in Haiku-based web-browsers?

I wonder what the uptake on this OS will be: I'm just going to have a go
running it in Qemu and VPC.


From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Thu Sep 17 05:12:52 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:12:52 +0200
Subject: datagrid speed problem
Message-ID: <055F7694-66F5-4A00-9A36-CE1E25A7A56B@gmx.net>

Addendum :
maybe I should mention that in the 'General pane' of the  'Standalone  
Settings' I use 'Select inclusions for the standalone application'  
and do NOT use the 'Search for required inclusions when saving the  
standalone application'. IMHO the normal revdatagridLib does not get  
found by the standalone builder. That would be why the revdatagridLib  
is required as a separate substack in this case.

best,

Beat Cornaz



From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 17 05:33:22 2009
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:33:22 +0100
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <20090916170004.EDA4448A7F4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090916170004.EDA4448A7F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9ED1629C-6373-454A-8F7C-371CD7AF4988@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>


On 16 Sep 2009, at 6:00 pm, Klaus wrote:

> If I would ever need to let the users modify and save STACK files,  
> I would go this way:
>
> 1. Create all the stacks that will be modified and saved by the end  
> user as MAIN stacks!
> 2. Import each of these stacks into a custom porperty of your  
> SPLASH/main stack
> ...
> set the cStack01 of stack "splash or whatever" to url("binfile:" &  
> path_to_your_stack)
> ...
> 3. When the app starts, I would check if these stacks have already  
> been "outputted" into the users "preferences folder:
> Mas OS X: specialfolderpath("preferences")
> ## Current user only
>
> Windows: specialfolderpath(26)
> ## Current user only
>
> Might be good style to create a subfolder for your app there!
>
> If the stacks are not yet there, I would output all the stacks from  
> your CPs:
> ...
> put specialfolderpath("preferences") into tFolder
> put the cStack01 of stack "splash or whatever" into url("binfile:"  
> & tFolder & "/" & "name of original stack here...")
> ## NO suffix necessary!
> ...
> 4. Now the user (your app) can open any of these stack, modify them  
> and save them again without permission problems.
>
> 5. Pro: If a user deletes one of your stacks (c'mon, we all know  
> how they are :-D) you can quickly replace it with a fresh copy!
>
> Know what I mean?
> Drop a line if not :-)
>
>> ,,,
>> Beat Cornaz
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com

Klaus,

This issue has caused me considerable pain in the past, but I have  
sorted most of it out since Vista flounced onto the OS stage with  
such ill placed confidence.     I have just had a results stack in  
the installation folder, and copied it to the users documents folder  
if it isn't already there.  (This is a little unsatisfactory in that  
the results file isn't exactly a user's document in the simplest  
sense, but it does work.)

However, I have never come across the stack as a custom property in  
this context. What is the advantage of doing it that way?  Is it that  
you set the property in the IDE, and so don't actually need the stack  
to be anywhere else in the installation once you build?

Intrigued..

David Glasgow




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 05:34:01 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:34:01 +0300
Subject: Deploy to Linux
In-Reply-To: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4AB20289.4060901@gmail.com>

Monte Goulding wrote:
> Howdy
>
> I need to build and deploy an application on Linux as my client is 
> looking at the low end netbooks. I haven't looked at Linux for a long 
> time and thought I'd get some advice before I jump in. From memory, 
> application installation/packaging was specific to the distribution???
>
> If someone could talk me through the process they go through to deploy 
> on Linux it would be appreciated.
>
My experience in this area is fairly limited:

I deploy on tatty old Pentium 3s running various Ubuntu distros  (Debian 
derivative).
As far as I am aware all Debian derived distros behave the same way 
vis-a-vis
RunRev.

I ALWAYS build my standalones on a PC running the target OS having found 
that
fonts screw-up really badly if I build for Linux on a Mac; or for 
Windows on a Mac
(my favoured development platform).

If you SIMPLY run-off a Linux standalone on Linux there is absolutely no 
need
for fancy packaging as the standalone is a single file (unless, ha, ha, 
you are
storing and referencing data externally: a minefield mainly resulting in
headaches and lack of sleep).  The main problem that I have found with
more recent Ubuntu distros is that when the standalone is installed
(I usually bung it in the HOME directory inside its own directory) the OS
sees it as a document unless you set the permissions to READ/WRITE for
everybody and select the ALLOW THIS TO BEHAVE AS AN EXECUTABLE
check box.

BEFORE YOU BUILD THE STANDALONE !!!!!!!!!

Open the stack on Linux and go through ALL the text fields and make sure
they are set to a standard Linux font, otherwise you will end up with them
being filled with some sort of generic font at a miniscule size.

FORGET Movies.

FORGET externally referenced sound files.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Cheap-and-Nasty way to manage this if you don't have a
dedicated PC running the target distro and RunRev for Linux:

1. Buy an old piece of junk: a P4 with 512 MB RAM and an 8 GB Hard Disk
will serve you very well indeed. Here in Bulgaria they are going for
about 50 bucks; over your way probably for less.

2. Bung the latest version of the target Linux distro on the piece of junk.

(It is always a good idea to have a piece of junk lying around for "playing
games" of this sort - save you a lot of headaches when it's too late.)

3. Install the month's trial of the latest RunRev for Linux on the piece of
junk.

4. Transfer you stack across to the pice of junk (LAN/USB/CD).

5. Build the thing.


From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Thu Sep 17 05:48:07 2009
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:48:07 +0300
Subject: creating and/or replacing stacks
Message-ID: <4A5AA660-829E-4B73-AD25-AD99C07D8409@mac.com>

Can anybody point me to a tutorial or a demonstration or anything that  
emplains creating or deleting or replacing stacks from a standalone?  
What I want to do is make a standalone that updates another standalone  
by replacing one of its stacks with one from the updater stack. As  
basic as this probably is, I haven't a clue how to do it, and all  
atttempts to figure it out have failed.

Cheers,

Lars 


From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Thu Sep 17 05:55:32 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:55:32 +0200
Subject: datagrid speed problem
Message-ID: <334B4C26-0BC2-48CE-96BF-8C796F957CAF@gmx.net>

Hi Trevor,

I am on daily digest for the user group, so I cannot see any response  
until this afternoon, but I have found that when I add one of the  
substacks with a datagrid to the GLX framework, the speed is up to  
normal again. I get now the same speed results as with the 'Test  
speed datagrid' stack I had made for comparing.
So the thing that is different in my view is the mainStack with the  
engine. I can't help but thinking that it has to do with this  
original mainstack being created in 2.9 and now I use as a mainstack  
the GLX framework mainstack (created in 3.5). I will add now the  
other stacks of my project and test if the speed stays up to par.

I am very happy with your GLX framework. It gives me the confidence  
that at the basic level things are solid. Now I can only mess up on  
the visible level, which is my code :-)     How soon you'll reckon  
the 'auto update'  stuff will be added? That would be fantastic.
I am also looking forward to your new course.

Best,

Beat Cornaz



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Sep 17 06:24:02 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:24:02 +0200
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <9ED1629C-6373-454A-8F7C-371CD7AF4988@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20090916170004.EDA4448A7F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<9ED1629C-6373-454A-8F7C-371CD7AF4988@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0E9BDB42-2516-437F-B34B-B6810A8683EB@major.on-rev.com>

Hi David,

> On 16 Sep 2009, at 6:00 pm, Klaus wrote:
>> If I would ever need to let the users modify and save STACK files,  
>> I would go this way:
>> ...
>> 5. Pro: If a user deletes one of your stacks (c'mon, we all know  
>> how they are :-D) you can quickly replace it with a fresh copy!
>> ...
>
> Klaus,
>
> This issue has caused me considerable pain in the past, but I have  
> sorted most of it out since Vista flounced onto the OS stage with  
> such ill placed confidence.     I have just had a results stack in  
> the installation folder, and copied it to the users documents folder  
> if it isn't already there.  (This is a little unsatisfactory in that  
> the results file isn't exactly a user's document in the simplest  
> sense, but it does work.)
> However, I have never come across the stack as a custom property in  
> this context. What is the advantage of doing it that way?

The advantage is that you do not have "files" anymore that you need to  
manage somehow.

> Is it that you set the property in the IDE, and so don't actually  
> need the stack to be anywhere else in the installation once you build?

Yes, since you store the "binary" (tha actual "your_stack.rev" file)  
in a custom property!
I also do this insted of cloning a stack if necessary, since you can  
also do:
...
put the cStack01 of this stack into tStack
go stack tStack
...

Kinda "virtual stack" :-)

> Intrigued..
>
> David Glasgow

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep 17 08:39:08 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:39:08 -0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond,
Look at the about box for that system and look into past mantainers...
you'll see, me! :D

I created the network preferences for Haiku during the Google Summer of
Code. Ok Ok, it is a very basic network preference pane but it is mine and
it was done in C++

As for Rev running under haiku, we'll thats my dream, if I could somehow
fund this I would (tried the national lottery but did not win). Haiku is too
small a market right now for them to target. Haiku has a potential to become
the de facto free desktop operating system, it is way more pleasant than
linux, right now, all that is missing is better hardware support and more
applications. The rest is already there, the foundations are very solid.

Keep an eye on Haiku, it will make lots of noise.

But for Rev to run under haiku it would require a new implementation of all
the graphics layer since haiku is not linux and does not use X11, GTK and
friends. If Rev reaches the modularity stage where it someone can simply
port some simple files and have it running on other system, we can then,
make a pot of money and try to buy a custom engine.

:D




On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> SOT - Slightly Off Topic
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/
>
> Will RunRev be able, in the future, to produce standalones for this
> Be OS clone?
>
> Will there be a revWeb plug-in for Haiku so that revlets can be accessed
> in Haiku-based web-browsers?
>
> I wonder what the uptake on this OS will be: I'm just going to have a go
> running it in Qemu and VPC.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Thu Sep 17 08:44:51 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:44:51 +0200
Subject: GLX and dataGrids
Message-ID: <2E326317-37C8-486C-B601-F371CEC9224C@gmx.net>

Hi Trevor & group,

Having resolved the Speed problem with the datagrids, I ran into a  
new one.
The datagrids do not work in my standalones, made from the GLX  
framework. I made a new stack with a new datagrid. This newStack has  
gotten a substack called "data Grid templates ####". So far so good.
The standalone build from this stack is working - the datagrids  
behave like they should. Now if I make this same stack part of my GLX  
frameword application, the datagrid does work in the IDE, but not as  
a standalone. In the standalone, I can get to the newStack with the  
datagrid, but the datagrid does not respond to anything (including  
dubbleclick on a cell with a name in it). I already have installed a  
new version of rev 3.5, but that didn't help.
  I have no clue as to why.

Also, I noticed that the stack "data Grid templates ####" has two  
cards (I only have 1 datagrid) : one card has only a grp with a fld  
in it and the second card has besides the the grp with a fld also a  
second grp called 'Row template' (with a label and a background) and  
a button called 'behaviour script'. This second card seems to me in  
order, but why the first card?

Thanks again for your help,

Beat Cornaz





From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 17 08:52:24 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:52:24 -0700
Subject: creating and/or replacing stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A5AA660-829E-4B73-AD25-AD99C07D8409@mac.com>
References: <4A5AA660-829E-4B73-AD25-AD99C07D8409@mac.com>
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On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote:

> Can anybody point me to a tutorial or a demonstration or anything  
> that emplains creating or deleting or replacing stacks from a  
> standalone? What I want to do is make a standalone that updates  
> another standalone by replacing one of its stacks with one from the  
> updater stack. As basic as this probably is, I haven't a clue how to  
> do it, and all atttempts to figure it out have failed.

First concept for you to realize is that a standalone is a compiled  
app or exe, which means once compiled, it can no longer be modified.

This is kind of like an oil painting where the artist wants to go back  
and replace a blue color with one that is a little darker.  Can't undo  
the painting, but you can make a new one and change the blue color.   
For Rev, this means go back and compile a new version of your  
standalone.

What you can do is create a standalone that uses stacks that are not  
part of the standalone, then replace those stacks.  There are many  
discussions on the list about this and the key word to look for is  
'splash screen'

Follow this link to read over 500 posts about distributing stacks,  
substacks, binary files, text files, and standalones.

http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?forum=2297&local=y&query=%22splash%22




Jim Ault
Las Vegas

From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Sep 17 09:31:31 2009
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:31:31 +0100
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909170631h28e9b68ckab6374fbdd07943@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure how to file this - it is a fairly basic gotcha with object
references - I'd say it was a bug?

Put the following in the message box:

put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
> put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stackObject into buggyResult --
> bug as it return the main stack
> put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stack "revLibrary" into
> correctResult -- returns correctly
> put correctResult
> answer warning "Bug" && buggyResult
>

It's a case where storing the reference to an object in a variable - in this
case

put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject

does not work constantly. Things like this make it hard to pass around
object references from handler to handler in a consistent way. Would you say
that was a bug?


From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Thu Sep 17 09:54:46 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:54:46 +0200
Subject: GLX and dataGrids
Message-ID: <56BE9F70-94E4-43C9-B38A-A1D4AD984341@gmx.net>

back again :

I made a datagrid in the mainstack of the GLX framework application  
as well as in an associated stack from within the GLX framework (as  
opposed to add an existing stack with a datagrid to the GLX  
framework) and in the standalone version the datagrids do not  
function either.
A standalone from a single mainstack with a datagrid on it does work.

best,

Beat Cornaz



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 10:07:02 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:07:02 EDT
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
Message-ID: <cc0.5e4c1729.37e39c86@aol.com>

David:

I always try "do" constructions when I think the parser needs a hug:

on mouseup
   put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
   do "put the long name of stack" && quote & "revSaving" & quote && "of" &&
 stackObject && "into buggyResult"
   put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stack "revLibrary" into 
correctResult

   answer "warning Bug" && buggyResult
end mouseup

The two pathnames are now the same.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/17/09 9:31:59 AM, david at vaudevillecourt.tv writes:


> I'm not sure how to file this - it is a fairly basic gotcha with object
> references - I'd say it was a bug?
> 
> Put the following in the message box:
> 
> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
> > put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stackObject into buggyResult 
> --
> > bug as it return the main stack
> > put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stack "revLibrary" into
> > correctResult -- returns correctly
> > put correctResult
> > answer warning "Bug" && buggyResult
> >
> 
> It's a case where storing the reference to an object in a variable - in 
> this
> case
> 
> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
> 
> does not work constantly. Things like this make it hard to pass around
> object references from handler to handler in a consistent way. Would you 
> say
> that was a bug?
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep 17 10:14:58 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:14:58 -0400
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909170631h28e9b68ckab6374fbdd07943@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909170631h28e9b68ckab6374fbdd07943@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2A72DB2-5AB4-4083-B0B4-F709882A92B9@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:31 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm not sure how to file this - it is a fairly basic gotcha with  
> object
> references - I'd say it was a bug?
>
> Put the following in the message box:
>
> ...
> It's a case where storing the reference to an object in a variable -  
> in this
> case
>
> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
>
> does not work constantly. Things like this make it hard to pass around
> object references from handler to handler in a consistent way. Would  
> you say
> that was a bug?

It seems like that should work as written so I think it would be worth  
filing. If you need to get this working now just build up your dynamic  
reference (which you probably already thought of but I'll point out  
anyway).

put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
put "stack" && quote & "revSaving" & quote && stackObject into  
stackObject
put the long name of stackObject into correctResult
put correctResult

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:28:40 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:28:40 +0100
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <F2A72DB2-5AB4-4083-B0B4-F709882A92B9@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909170631h28e9b68ckab6374fbdd07943@mail.gmail.com>
	<F2A72DB2-5AB4-4083-B0B4-F709882A92B9@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909170728j5110f204h8d706efedb3e37c9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/17 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

>
> It seems like that should work as written so I think it would be worth
> filing.


OK - files here and voted for.


> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
> put "stack" && quote & "revSaving" & quote && stackObject into stackObject
> put the long name of stackObject into correctResult
> put correctResult


Yes - looks like I'll have to go through the library of handlers that deal
with stacks and check for this - the library contains handlers which are
passed a reference to a stack in the variable stackObject. Looks like this
can fail with substacks.


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep 17 10:33:25 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:33:25 -0400
Subject: datagrid speed problem
In-Reply-To: <334B4C26-0BC2-48CE-96BF-8C796F957CAF@gmx.net>
References: <334B4C26-0BC2-48CE-96BF-8C796F957CAF@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5D258B57-9B9F-4CD5-B44B-6ED52C53F1E8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:55 AM, Beat Cornaz wrote:
> I am on daily digest for the user group, so I cannot see any  
> response until this afternoon, but I have found that when I add one  
> of the substacks with a datagrid to the GLX framework, the speed is  
> up to normal again. I get now the same speed results as with the  
> 'Test speed datagrid' stack I had made for comparing.
> So the thing that is different in my view is the mainStack with the  
> engine. I can't help but thinking that it has to do with this  
> original mainstack being created in 2.9 and now I use as a mainstack  
> the GLX framework mainstack (created in 3.5). I will add now the  
> other stacks of my project and test if the speed stays up to par.

Glad you got everything working.

> I am very happy with your GLX framework. It gives me the confidence  
> that at the basic level things are solid. Now I can only mess up on  
> the visible level, which is my code :-)

That is the beauty of frameworks. Benefit from the combined knowledge  
of people contributing to it and focus on what is important to your  
particular application.

> How soon you'll reckon the 'auto update'  stuff will be added? That  
> would be fantastic.

Updating an application in place over the internet works now although  
the how-to manual hasn't been updated to explain how to use it in  
great detail. This lesson may help though:

How Do I Package My Application For Use With An Installer Or Auto  
Update?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5668-How-Do-I-Package-My-Application-For-Use-With-An-Installer-Or-Auto-Update- 
 >

I have just about finished documenting the entire API using NativeDoc  
(great program) though so you can read up on the Updater handlers at  
this url:

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/docs/glxapp_framework/api_docs/Documents/stack_glxapplicationFramework_package_Applicationp20Updater.htm 
 >

Rodney Tamblyn has been spending quite a bit of time providing  
feedback on the framework over the last few weeks and I will be  
releasing an updated plugin and some additional docs in the not too  
distant future.

> I am also looking forward to your new course.

Look forward to having you there. If you know anyone who programs  
using other environments that might be interested in cross-platform  
development with Rev you should tell them about the first session that  
is sponsored by RunRev (it is free). Part of the first session shows  
how to set up your development work space so that you working in the  
IDE and testing on Windows and Mac all at the same time, without ever  
having to compile. A very compelling feature for cross-platform  
development.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:34:26 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:34:26 +0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>

Why do I have a "funny feeling" related to the Google Chrome noise, and 
now Haiku,
that there are very shortly going to be a number of OSes that may 
effectively undermine
the 90% Windows - 10% Macintosh dominance.

I am not psychic, but I can always tell when rain is coming by the smell 
in the air . . .

Of course any RAD that also "feels the seaweed" and is ready for the 
next paradigm
shift will have a huge competitive edge.

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Richmond,
> Look at the about box for that system and look into past mantainers...
> you'll see, me! :D
>   
Look up 'Ubiquitous' in your dictionary . . .   :)
> I created the network preferences for Haiku during the Google Summer of
> Code. Ok Ok, it is a very basic network preference pane but it is mine and
> it was done in C++
>
> As for Rev running under haiku, we'll thats my dream, if I could somehow
> fund this I would (tried the national lottery but did not win). Haiku is too
> small a market right now for them to target. Haiku has a potential to become
> the de facto free desktop operating system, it is way more pleasant than
> linux, right now, all that is missing is better hardware support and more
> applications. The rest is already there, the foundations are very solid.
>
> Keep an eye on Haiku, it will make lots of noise.
>
> But for Rev to run under haiku it would require a new implementation of all
> the graphics layer since haiku is not linux and does not use X11, GTK and
> friends. If Rev reaches the modularity stage where it someone can simply
> port some simple files and have it running on other system, we can then,
> make a pot of money and try to buy a custom engine.
>   
"Pots of money" to you too!
> :D
>
>   
Actually RunRev should be completely OS agnostic; and that includes well
established niche OSes such as RISC OS. Even if development can only take
place on a certain limited number of OSes deployment should be universal.
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> SOT - Slightly Off Topic
>>
>> http://www.haiku-os.org/
>>
>> Will RunRev be able, in the future, to produce standalones for this
>> Be OS clone?
>>
>> Will there be a revWeb plug-in for Haiku so that revlets can be accessed
>> in Haiku-based web-browsers?
>>
>> I wonder what the uptake on this OS will be: I'm just going to have a go
>> running it in Qemu and VPC.
>>     
Not successful at all; will burn a disk and run it live in my "piece of 
junk".
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>     
>
>   



From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Thu Sep 17 11:10:49 2009
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:10:49 +0300
Subject: creating and/or replacing stacks
Message-ID: <77BFDD1D-C0AF-4D96-9B0F-5FF2631AC185@mac.com>

Jim,

Thanks for the links.

I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. My standalones have  
always been splash screens with the actual stacks in the program  
folder. It's one of those stacks I want to be able to replace with the  
update, so this isn't new to me. It's actually figuring out how to do  
it that I need help with, but after a quicl browse through the links  
you provided, I am pretty sure I will find my answers. Thanks again.

Cheers

Lars

>> Can anybody point me to a tutorial or a demonstration or anything
>> that emplains creating or deleting or replacing stacks from a
>> standalone? What I want to do is make a standalone that updates
>> another standalone by replacing one of its stacks with one from the
>> updater stack. As basic as this probably is, I haven't a clue how to
>> do it, and all atttempts to figure it out have failed.
>
> First concept for you to realize is that a standalone is a compiled
> app or exe, which means once compiled, it can no longer be modified.
>
> This is kind of like an oil painting where the artist wants to go back
> and replace a blue color with one that is a little darker.  Can't undo
> the painting, but you can make a new one and change the blue color.
> For Rev, this means go back and compile a new version of your
> standalone.
>
> What you can do is create a standalone that uses stacks that are not
> part of the standalone, then replace those stacks.  There are many
> discussions on the list about this and the key word to look for is
> 'splash screen'


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 17 11:27:56 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:27:56 -0700
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <183318407406.20090917082756@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 7:34:26 AM, you wrote:

>> Look at the about box for that system and look into past mantainers...
>> you'll see, me! :D
>>   
> Look up 'Ubiquitous' in your dictionary . . .   :)

ROTFL

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 17 11:31:37 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:31:37 -0700
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <0E9BDB42-2516-437F-B34B-B6810A8683EB@major.on-rev.com>
References: <20090916170004.EDA4448A7F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<9ED1629C-6373-454A-8F7C-371CD7AF4988@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<0E9BDB42-2516-437F-B34B-B6810A8683EB@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <180318627875.20090917083137@ahsoftware.net>

Klaus-

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 3:24:02 AM, you wrote:

> Yes, since you store the "binary" (tha actual "your_stack.rev" file)
> in a custom property!
> I also do this insted of cloning a stack if necessary, since you can
> also do:
> ...
> put the cStack01 of this stack into tStack
> go stack tStack
> ...

> Kinda "virtual stack" :-)

I also compress the stack before storing to save space:

set the cStack01 of this stack to compress(stack tStack)

go stack decompress(the cStack01 of this stack)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 17 12:02:19 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:02:19 -0700
Subject: creating and/or replacing stacks
In-Reply-To: <77BFDD1D-C0AF-4D96-9B0F-5FF2631AC185@mac.com>
References: <77BFDD1D-C0AF-4D96-9B0F-5FF2631AC185@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909170902k620d0f2fy24f2674a4acf7caa@mail.gmail.com>

Check out the GLX Application
Framework<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/examples/manuals/GLX_Application_Framework.html>by
Trevor -
It includes an auto update feature and many others...
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/17 Lars Brehmer <larsbrehmer at mac.com>

> Jim,
>
> Thanks for the links.
>
> I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. My standalones have always
> been splash screens with the actual stacks in the program folder. It's one
> of those stacks I want to be able to replace with the update, so this isn't
> new to me. It's actually figuring out how to do it that I need help with,
> but after a quicl browse through the links you provided, I am pretty sure I
> will find my answers. Thanks again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lars
>
>  Can anybody point me to a tutorial or a demonstration or anything
>>> that emplains creating or deleting or replacing stacks from a
>>> standalone? What I want to do is make a standalone that updates
>>> another standalone by replacing one of its stacks with one from the
>>> updater stack. As basic as this probably is, I haven't a clue how to
>>> do it, and all atttempts to figure it out have failed.
>>>
>>
>> First concept for you to realize is that a standalone is a compiled
>> app or exe, which means once compiled, it can no longer be modified.
>>
>> This is kind of like an oil painting where the artist wants to go back
>> and replace a blue color with one that is a little darker.  Can't undo
>> the painting, but you can make a new one and change the blue color.
>> For Rev, this means go back and compile a new version of your
>> standalone.
>>
>> What you can do is create a standalone that uses stacks that are not
>> part of the standalone, then replace those stacks.  There are many
>> discussions on the list about this and the key word to look for is
>> 'splash screen'
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep 17 12:19:04 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:19:04 -0400
Subject: creating and/or replacing stacks
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909170902k620d0f2fy24f2674a4acf7caa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77BFDD1D-C0AF-4D96-9B0F-5FF2631AC185@mac.com>
	<e5e009d70909170902k620d0f2fy24f2674a4acf7caa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4211B198-7F5C-4693-9D36-55D4DA10B62A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:02 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Check out the GLX Application
> Framework<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/examples/manuals/GLX_Application_Framework.html 
> >by
> Trevor -
> It includes an auto update feature and many others...

Stephen,

It looks like you grabbed a sample ScreenSteps manual that turned up  
on Google (someone else did that just a little bit a ago). The url to  
the main GLX Application Framework page is here:

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Sep 17 12:19:53 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:19:53 +0200
Subject: Where to place (sub)stacks?
In-Reply-To: <180318627875.20090917083137@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20090916170004.EDA4448A7F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<9ED1629C-6373-454A-8F7C-371CD7AF4988@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<0E9BDB42-2516-437F-B34B-B6810A8683EB@major.on-rev.com>
	<180318627875.20090917083137@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <0621D158-0352-4550-A6CB-9BEFD3259939@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mark,

> Klaus-
>
> Thursday, September 17, 2009, 3:24:02 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Yes, since you store the "binary" (tha actual "your_stack.rev" file)
>> in a custom property!
>> I also do this insted of cloning a stack if necessary, since you can
>> also do:
>> ...
>> put the cStack01 of this stack into tStack
>> go stack tStack
>> ...
>> Kinda "virtual stack" :-)
> I also compress the stack before storing to save space:
> set the cStack01 of this stack to compress(stack tStack)
> go stack decompress(the cStack01 of this stack)

You cunning fox :-)

> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Sep 17 13:04:32 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:04:32 -0700
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5783517EB8A8438AA47794DDA9487127@GATEWAY>

> SOT - Slightly Off Topic
> 
> http://www.haiku-os.org/
> 
> Will RunRev be able, in the future, to produce standalones 
> for this Be OS clone?

BeOS...alas poor yorick. Jean-Louis Gass?e got me to write for the BeOS
Developer Journal and there was some efforts going on to make way for BeOS
software in the channel. He was a really nice guy but he didn't count of SJ
turning BeOS into Brand Zero. As far as I know, Sony bought the corpse of
BeOS - did they do anything with it?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep 17 13:10:27 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:10:27 -0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <5783517EB8A8438AA47794DDA9487127@GATEWAY>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
	<5783517EB8A8438AA47794DDA9487127@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909171010l5032a9b2k9d2b0e787ddf3b75@mail.gmail.com>

Lynn,
the BeOS IP passed from hand to hand and now is owned by Access (who brought
it from palm) (whoever they are).

BeOS was Great! I used it a lot, now, as soon as Haiku becomes a little more
stable, it will become my own desktop os here for most of my computers,
except my macs... if Rev ever run in Haiku, then, I will reach nerd rapture,
singularity, or nirvana...

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> > SOT - Slightly Off Topic
> >
> > http://www.haiku-os.org/
> >
> > Will RunRev be able, in the future, to produce standalones
> > for this Be OS clone?
>
> BeOS...alas poor yorick. Jean-Louis Gass?e got me to write for the BeOS
> Developer Journal and there was some efforts going on to make way for BeOS
> software in the channel. He was a really nice guy but he didn't count of SJ
> turning BeOS into Brand Zero. As far as I know, Sony bought the corpse of
> BeOS - did they do anything with it?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Sep 17 13:13:11 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:13:11 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <C6D6E0BC.44626%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6D6DED4.44623%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<C6D6E0BC.44626%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <D913A281173943369223BD6B11A9BAE4@GATEWAY>

Hi Scott,

> > I'm interested, but is the demo not intended for Vista?
> > Error when clicking the start button (Rev 3.5):

Should be no problem on Vista or 7.

> Never mind -- got the externals copied in the correct 
> locations now and the demo is working.

Great! Yes, they have to be able to find each other.

Its worth sniffing through the example code. Even though an example shows
how one feature is achieved, its useful for learning how to do other things.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 17 13:13:18 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:13:18 -0700
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
Message-ID: <4AB26E2E.7080901@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
>> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
>> put "stack" && quote & "revSaving" & quote && stackObject into stackObject
>> put the long name of stackObject into correctResult
>> put correctResult
> 
> Yes - looks like I'll have to go through the library of handlers that deal
> with stacks and check for this - the library contains handlers which are
> passed a reference to a stack in the variable stackObject. Looks like this
> can fail with substacks.

All stacks in Rev, whether sub or main, can only have one in memory at 
any given time with the same name.  So effectively, stack names act as 
IDs in that they are a unique identifier.

Given this, you should be able to simply refer to the long name of the 
substack without needing to explicitly include its mainstack:

   put the long name of stack "revSaving" into tStackObject

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 17 13:15:22 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:15:22 -0700
Subject: creating and/or replacing stacks
In-Reply-To: <4211B198-7F5C-4693-9D36-55D4DA10B62A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <77BFDD1D-C0AF-4D96-9B0F-5FF2631AC185@mac.com>
	<e5e009d70909170902k620d0f2fy24f2674a4acf7caa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4211B198-7F5C-4693-9D36-55D4DA10B62A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909171015h4be001e8m759bf297670974d4@mail.gmail.com>

Yes it ranked right at the top. It *did* look a little strange. Thought it
was a new look for the mango.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/17 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

>
> Stephen,
>
> It looks like you grabbed a sample ScreenSteps manual that turned up on
> Google (someone else did that just a little bit a ago). The url to the main
> GLX Application Framework page is here:
>
>
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 13:32:19 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:32:19 +0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909171010l5032a9b2k9d2b0e787ddf3b75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>	<5783517EB8A8438AA47794DDA9487127@GATEWAY>
	<7c87a2a10909171010l5032a9b2k9d2b0e787ddf3b75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB272A3.7050606@gmail.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Lynn,
> the BeOS IP passed from hand to hand and now is owned by Access (who brought
> it from palm) (whoever they are).
>
> BeOS was Great! I used it a lot, now, as soon as Haiku becomes a little more
> stable, it will become my own desktop os here for most of my computers,
> except my macs... if Rev ever run in Haiku, then, I will reach nerd rapture,
> singularity, or nirvana...
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
> lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:
>
>   
>>> SOT - Slightly Off Topic
>>>
>>> http://www.haiku-os.org/
>>>
>>> Will RunRev be able, in the future, to produce standalones
>>> for this Be OS clone?
>>>       
>> BeOS...alas poor yorick. Jean-Louis Gass?e got me to write for the BeOS
>> Developer Journal and there was some efforts going on to make way for BeOS
>> software in the channel. He was a really nice guy but he didn't count of SJ
>> turning BeOS into Brand Zero. As far as I know, Sony bought the corpse of
>> BeOS - did they do anything with it?
>>     
I never cease to wonder why:

1. Some people only seem to support commercial OSes and software.

2. Why they assume that as the world is currently dominated by the 90% 
Windows - 10% Macintosh
"axis of evil" it will always continue that way.

Now I know that, owing to the "axis of evil" anybody who wants to get 
anywhere has got a long,
hard slog ahead; and that 99% of the "other" OSes are doomed from the 
start as they just don't
have the infrastructure and the money (plus the dedicated user base) 
that Mac and Win have.
That doesn't necessarily mean they should not be supported in their 
endeavours, even if, at the
very least to act as gadflies to prick Mac and Win to clean up their 
acts and keep ahead of the ball.

Of course the same should also be said about Runtime Revolution; it 
increasingly looks like a
strong contender that may yet displace quite a few of the market 
leaders: what then?

Presumably our friends at head office in Edinburgh will not morph into 
look-alikes of Uncle Bill
and Co! But to guarantee this there must always be competitive pressure 
both from inside
(users) and from outside (other competing products): we all know what a 
lack of competition
does; one only has to look at what Eastern Europe looked like 25 years ago.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Sep 17 14:13:04 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909171010l5032a9b2k9d2b0e787ddf3b75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com><5783517EB8A8438AA47794DDA9487127@GATEWAY>
	<7c87a2a10909171010l5032a9b2k9d2b0e787ddf3b75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F50168BA98D543CEBDB0BBAD65618047@GATEWAY>

> the BeOS IP passed from hand to hand and now is owned by 
> Access (who brought it from palm) (whoever they are).

I think it might be this: http://www.access-company.com/. They were a Linux
focused company in Japan that went on a pretty big shopping spree and are
very, very focused on the Japanese mobile market - see here for their
relationship with Palm -
http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Latest/News2.html
 
> BeOS was Great! I used it a lot, now, as soon as Haiku 
> becomes a little more stable, it will become my own desktop 
> os here for most of my computers, except my macs... if Rev 
> ever run in Haiku, then, I will reach nerd rapture, 
> singularity, or nirvana...

Im going to check it out too. I don't see it really going any place unless
they can make it mind numbingly easy to install and use and there are good
enough applications. That's something that eluded Be. A couple of pretty
good shareware type apps came out for BeOS that had the makings of something
substantial.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From docwes1 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 14:47:26 2009
From: docwes1 at gmail.com (weslyn whitehead)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:47:26 -0400
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
Message-ID: <d6087b950909171147j96f9797o5d86a9ca4554252c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Lynn,
       I'll give it a whirl. I was waiting to hear more about the project.
Glad i can still get into beta of sorts. I've been waiting on this for a
specific project that im looking to do. I'll probably do the preorder is the
site already setup to take payments? Thanks again, i'm very excited.



Wes "Docwes" Whitehead
docwes1 at gmail.com
wwhitehead at ag.com
2162882716(c)
skype:agapechild
*AGInteractive*
Egression Studios


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep 17 14:54:49 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:54:49 -0400
Subject: GLX and dataGrids
In-Reply-To: <2E326317-37C8-486C-B601-F371CEC9224C@gmx.net>
References: <2E326317-37C8-486C-B601-F371CEC9224C@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <88AA31A1-4302-466C-9A8D-E1DC4583D50B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> Also, I noticed that the stack "data Grid templates ####" has two  
> cards (I only have 1 datagrid) : one card has only a grp with a fld  
> in it and the second card has besides the the grp with a fld also a  
> second grp called 'Row template' (with a label and a background) and  
> a button called 'behaviour script'. This second card seems to me in  
> order, but why the first card?

The Revolution IDE handles this but I imagine the IDE just adds a new  
card to the template stack whenever you create a new Data Grid. If the  
template stack doesn't exist it is created (or cloned from an existing  
possibly) and thus has a card that already exists.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From christian.langers at education.lu  Thu Sep 17 16:06:07 2009
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:06:07 +0200
Subject: Textutil
Message-ID: <4AB296AF.5000102@education.lu>

Hello,

I've just uploaded a stack (new revOnline - search for textutil) which 
demonstrates the possibility to import and export to txt, rtf, html, 
doc, docx, odt, wordeml, webarchiv files on Mac os X (> 10.3).
It uses the unix tool "textutil" which was introduced with version 10.4 
and of which I never was aware of...

I am now able to import these formats (it's not perfect... no images 
imported... but its the quick 'n dirty way) into runrev...

So have fun and be creative !

;-)

Greets,

Christian Langers
Luxembourg





From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep 17 17:27:33 2009
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:27:33 +1000
Subject: Deploy to Linux
In-Reply-To: <4AB20289.4060901@gmail.com>
References: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4AB20289.4060901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DC249F3-E0D6-43EB-BD62-35E28DC5F61A@sweattechnologies.com>

> If you SIMPLY run-off a Linux standalone on Linux there is  
> absolutely no need
> for fancy packaging as the standalone is a single file (unless, ha,  
> ha, you are
> storing and referencing data externally: a minefield mainly  
> resulting in
> headaches and lack of sleep).

Hmm... we do that with a stack file for prefs and a SQLite db for the  
application data. On Windows these are located in the user's  
application data folder on mac they are located in their preferences  
folder. So I'd need to create a data folder in some appropriate  
location on Linux too. Any ideas where that would be?

Cheers

Monte



From rman at free.fr  Thu Sep 17 18:50:24 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909170728j5110f204h8d706efedb3e37c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909170631h28e9b68ckab6374fbdd07943@mail.gmail.com>
	<F2A72DB2-5AB4-4083-B0B4-F709882A92B9@mangomultimedia.com>
	<c1c5836b0909170728j5110f204h8d706efedb3e37c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25493425.post@talk.nabble.com>


COuld you precise which version 3.5 or 4 ? I recall having had some strange
behaviors related to stack name in variables, I think I took another route,
but that could explain it!! 

also maybe it does not occur if one precises the shhort name or the long
name!??? 
Robert

David Bovill-3 wrote:
> 
> 2009/9/17 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>
> 
>>
>> It seems like that should work as written so I think it would be worth
>> filing.
> 
> 
> OK - files here and voted for.
> 
> 
>> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
>> put "stack" && quote & "revSaving" & quote && stackObject into
>> stackObject
>> put the long name of stackObject into correctResult
>> put correctResult
> 
> 
> Yes - looks like I'll have to go through the library of handlers that deal
> with stacks and check for this - the library contains handlers which are
> passed a reference to a stack in the variable stackObject. Looks like this
> can fail with substacks.
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 17 19:50:43 2009
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:50:43 -0500
Subject: Problem installing RevWeb plugin
In-Reply-To: <4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C405870-505F-434D-9710-5BDDEF575B1B@earthlink.net>

I'm having the devil of a time getting the RevWeb plugin to install on  
Windows machines running Internet Explorer.  I have a couple of stacks  
installed on my OnRev server that I can access and run just fine from  
multiple Macs and also from a tablet PC on which I had previously  
installed the plugin.

However, when I try to access the URL from several different PCs on  
three different networks, both at home and at work, I keep getting the  
message that the plugin needs to be installed.  I install it and try  
the site again and get the same message--this despite the fact that  
Manage Add Ons in IE shows the plug in to be installed and enabled.

I've tried this on 4 or 5 different Windows machines, running  
everything from XP to Vista, and using both of my stacks. I've tried  
restarting IE, rebooting the computer, everything I can think of.

Does anybody have an idea what the problem is?

TIA.
--Marian




From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu Sep 17 20:30:02 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:30:02 -1000
Subject: Problem installing RevWeb plugin
In-Reply-To: <1C405870-505F-434D-9710-5BDDEF575B1B@earthlink.net>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>
	<1C405870-505F-434D-9710-5BDDEF575B1B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca37f7$2a5b0b60$7f112220$@com>

Try switching to Firefox for now on PC (both XP and Vista). They are aware
of problems with IE and are working on it.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> I'm having the devil of a time getting the RevWeb plugin to install on
> Windows machines running Internet Explorer.  I have a couple of stacks
> installed on my OnRev server that I can access and run just fine from
> multiple Macs and also from a tablet PC on which I had previously
> installed the plugin.
> 
> However, when I try to access the URL from several different PCs on
> three different networks, both at home and at work, I keep getting the
> message that the plugin needs to be installed.  I install it and try
> the site again and get the same message--this despite the fact that
> Manage Add Ons in IE shows the plug in to be installed and enabled.
> 
> I've tried this on 4 or 5 different Windows machines, running
> everything from XP to Vista, and using both of my stacks. I've tried
> restarting IE, rebooting the computer, everything I can think of.
> 
> Does anybody have an idea what the problem is?
> 
> TIA.
> --Marian
> 
> 
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Sep 17 21:14:35 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:14:35 -0500
Subject: GLX Application Framework & revLets
Message-ID: <4AB2DEFB.7090601@crcom.net>

Would the GLX AF work as the basis of a revLet?  Is there a compelling 
reason NOT to do this?

Just curious....

len morgan


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 17 21:41:51 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:41:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Deploy to Linux
In-Reply-To: <7DC249F3-E0D6-43EB-BD62-35E28DC5F61A@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4AB20289.4060901@gmail.com>
	<7DC249F3-E0D6-43EB-BD62-35E28DC5F61A@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <25501700.post@talk.nabble.com>


If its single user, which it likely will be on a netbook, put the app in a
folder in /home/user, and put the prefs and the data in that same folder. 
If you want to make the prefs invisible make them , eg, .myapppreferences.

But this does mean that only that user will have access to the app.

If you put the app in /opt, which is more correct in some sense, because it
lets any user account get to it, then still put all user data, including
prefs for any particular user, in /home/user.

Richmond's advice is good:  if you compile on the platform you are deploying
on, you will be OK.  And his advice to watch out for fonts, and to restrict
your font use to ones that ship with all linuxes, is also wise.

Peter


Monte Goulding wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmm... we do that with a stack file for prefs and a SQLite db for the  
> application data. On Windows these are located in the user's  
> application data folder on mac they are located in their preferences  
> folder. So I'd need to create a data folder in some appropriate  
> location on Linux too. Any ideas where that would be?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 17 21:44:57 2009
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:44:57 -0500
Subject: Problem installing RevWeb plugin
In-Reply-To: <000001ca37f7$2a5b0b60$7f112220$@com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB248F2.2060804@gmail.com>
	<1C405870-505F-434D-9710-5BDDEF575B1B@earthlink.net>
	<000001ca37f7$2a5b0b60$7f112220$@com>
Message-ID: <EE11619A-5E53-499A-9989-BDAD76EF00C8@earthlink.net>

Switching to Firefox solved the problem, at least under XP.  Haven't  
had a chance to try it with Vista yet. Thanks a million, Jim!

On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Try switching to Firefox for now on PC (both XP and Vista). They are  
> aware
> of problems with IE and are working on it.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>> I'm having the devil of a time getting the RevWeb plugin to install  
>> on
>> Windows machines running Internet Explorer.  I have a couple of  
>> stacks
>> installed on my OnRev server that I can access and run just fine from
>> multiple Macs and also from a tablet PC on which I had previously
>> installed the plugin.
>>
>> However, when I try to access the URL from several different PCs on
>> three different networks, both at home and at work, I keep getting  
>> the
>> message that the plugin needs to be installed.  I install it and try
>> the site again and get the same message--this despite the fact that
>> Manage Add Ons in IE shows the plug in to be installed and enabled.
>>
>> I've tried this on 4 or 5 different Windows machines, running
>> everything from XP to Vista, and using both of my stacks. I've tried
>> restarting IE, rebooting the computer, everything I can think of.
>>
>> Does anybody have an idea what the problem is?
>>
>> TIA.
>> --Marian
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Sep 17 22:16:30 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:16:30 -0400
Subject: GLX Application Framework & revLets
In-Reply-To: <4AB2DEFB.7090601@crcom.net>
References: <4AB2DEFB.7090601@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <D9E345A6-1056-4B76-98DF-FB40613D11CE@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> Would the GLX AF work as the basis of a revLet?  Is there a  
> compelling reason NOT to do this?
>
> Just curious....

Currently no. Could it? Possibly. I imagine it could be added as an  
packaging option and then the Application Package could do whatever  
was necessary to make a revLet, just as it does when building a  
standalone or updater. I think someone with a real need for this would  
have to investigate though. I currently don't need this and I'm  
guessing it will be a bit of work to figure out a generalized way of  
converting a desktop app to a revlet.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Sep 14 13:09:14 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:09:14 -0500
Subject: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4AAE6497.3020306@fourthworld.com>
	<15664304328.20090914095256@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <73D0C8CE-53C8-45AC-85E2-648AE424EEB3@me.com>

I found that by increasing the indent size (in GLX2 or tRev) it was a  
lot easier to spot the ends of conditionals. Also, I follow my own  
coding standards and never use the single line IF statement, so that  
makes it easier to spot them.

We also have a feature in GLX2 that forces IF, THEN, END to upper  
case. That can help, also.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:43:19 AM, you wrote:
>
>> If a handler is so long that folding would seem useful, sometimes  
>> that
>> can be an indication that it might be useful to consider breaking it
>> into subroutines.
>
> True, and I'm constantly refactoring to keep things simple and
> maintainable. But every once in a while I end up looking at someone
> else's code, and it gets hard sometimes to find the end of those dang
> conditional statements...
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Sep 17 22:45:30 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:45:30 -0500
Subject: GLX Application Framework & revLets
In-Reply-To: <D9E345A6-1056-4B76-98DF-FB40613D11CE@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <4AB2DEFB.7090601@crcom.net>
	<D9E345A6-1056-4B76-98DF-FB40613D11CE@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4AB2F44A.5070207@crcom.net>

I imagine if I had the time to invest in learning the framework, I 
probably wouldn't have asked the question. :-)

len

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> Would the GLX AF work as the basis of a revLet?  Is there a 
>> compelling reason NOT to do this?
>>
>> Just curious....
>
> Currently no. Could it? Possibly. I imagine it could be added as an 
> packaging option and then the Application Package could do whatever 
> was necessary to make a revLet, just as it does when building a 
> standalone or updater. I think someone with a real need for this would 
> have to investigate though. I currently don't need this and I'm 
> guessing it will be a bit of work to figure out a generalized way of 
> converting a desktop app to a revlet.
>


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Sep 17 23:12:58 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:12:58 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday
Message-ID: <AFEF746D-1F2B-4B56-9482-899E2D2866F3@me.com>

Boyzngurlz,

We have one pretty killer feature and two other more subtle ones.

Video at 10AM CDT/US Friday, Sept 18.

There will also be a component update at that time.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Sep 17 23:32:00 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:32:00 -0500
Subject: Where can I get the latest plugin download?
Message-ID: <4AB2FF30.8070806@crcom.net>

It seems there have been a couple of updates to the web plugin since I 
last downloaded it.  Does it automatically update if a new version has 
been released?  If so, does it tell me it's downloading a new version?  
Is there any way to tell if I have the latest if it doesn't download 
updates on it's own?

It seems that the "alpha" program (where you can get the plugin) is 
geared to people that are new to Revolution (i.e., Media downloads),  
and I already have an Enterprise license so I really don't want to 
download Media if I don't have to.

len morgan


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Sep 18 00:03:31 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:03:31 +0100
Subject: Where can I get the latest plugin download?
In-Reply-To: <4AB2FF30.8070806@crcom.net>
References: <4AB2FF30.8070806@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <8DBE1876-4741-40A0-8A92-0A4B12DC5C48@azurevision.co.uk>


On 18 Sep 2009, at 04:32, Len Morgan wrote:

> It seems there have been a couple of updates to the web plugin since  
> I last downloaded it.  Does it automatically update if a new version  
> has been released?  If so, does it tell me it's downloading a new  
> version?  Is there any way to tell if I have the latest if it  
> doesn't download updates on it's own?

No idea.

> It seems that the "alpha" program (where you can get the plugin) is  
> geared to people that are new to Revolution (i.e., Media  
> downloads),  and I already have an Enterprise license so I really  
> don't want to download Media if I don't have to.

?

RevMedia and the browser plugin are totally separate downloads. The  
plugin can be downloaded at:
http://revweb.runrev.com/downloads.php

Ian


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 00:09:30 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:09:30 +1000
Subject: Where can I get the latest plugin download?
In-Reply-To: <4AB2FF30.8070806@crcom.net>
References: <4AB2FF30.8070806@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909172109w551e5dbdj7accf7cfbf16c524@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> It seems there have been a couple of updates to the web plugin since I last
> downloaded it. ?Does it automatically update if a new version has been
> released? ?If so, does it tell me it's downloading a new version? ?Is there
> any way to tell if I have the latest if it doesn't download updates on it's
> own?
>
> It seems that the "alpha" program (where you can get the plugin) is geared
> to people that are new to Revolution (i.e., Media downloads), ?and I already
> have an Enterprise license so I really don't want to download Media if I
> don't have to.


You can directly download the latests version from <http://revweb.runrev.com/>
but I have no idea how you tell which version you have.

I just wrote a quick & dirty revlet that reports all sorts of system information
<http://www.troz.net/rev/revweb.irev?revlet=System>.
I was hoping there would be some version data in there, but all it
reports is that the revWeb is using the Rev 4.0.0-dp-3 engine.
I wonder is there an undocumented property for finding out the plugin
version number.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Sep 18 01:34:40 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:34:40 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <d6087b950909171147j96f9797o5d86a9ca4554252c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d6087b950909171147j96f9797o5d86a9ca4554252c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <026B6F53A2604B3CA23CBEC1119B833C@GATEWAY>

Hi Wes,

>        I'll give it a whirl. I was waiting to hear more about 
> the project.
> Glad i can still get into beta of sorts. I've been waiting on 
> this for a specific project that im looking to do. I'll 
> probably do the preorder is the site already setup to take 
> payments? Thanks again, i'm very excited.

Thanks Wes! Yes, the site is able to accept orders now. It generates
developer codes and everything.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Sep 18 02:04:09 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:04:09 -0700
Subject: Deploy to Linux
In-Reply-To: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <8964F59C-DD67-427A-99EF-FDE45D58F0A4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <F4926115-9FB3-45EC-9C77-6183A892B195@mac.com>

Monte,

I've released InfoWallet for Mac, Windows, and Linux. There were no  
special considerations for this on Linux vs. any of the other  
platforms except open ssl which needed a symlink (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7149 
). It wouldn't be an issue for me except InfoWallet requires the  
encryption libraries.

I built the program on the Mac.

Bill Vlahos


On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Howdy
>
> I need to build and deploy an application on Linux as my client is  
> looking at the low end netbooks. I haven't looked at Linux for a  
> long time and thought I'd get some advice before I jump in. From  
> memory, application installation/packaging was specific to the  
> distribution???
>
> If someone could talk me through the process they go through to  
> deploy on Linux it would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Fri Sep 18 04:50:09 2009
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:50:09 +0200
Subject: Debugging on On-Rev - I don't GET it
Message-ID: <09E135DB-733E-49BC-9D09-C92510A24A61@de-mare.nl>

I don't understand how to debug an irev file when form input is  
involved.

Here it the case:
I want to pick data up from a CGI driven HTML page. But my irev script  
needs to do some preprocessing first.
So I made a script "preprocess.irev" and I began to try just passing  
whatever this script GETs:
I tried "preprocess.irev?id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-5%3A1" with the following  
script:
<?rev
put $_GET into sGET
combine sGET using "&"
put "script.cgi?set=5&lang=en&pos=0&nobar=1&t=4&" & urlencode(sGET)  
into varZ
put url varZ
?>

It returned "Bad request". But when I hardcoded in exactly the same  
values, it worked:
<?rev
put "id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-5%3A1"into sGET
put "http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi? 
lang=en&set=5&pos=0&nobar=1&t=4&" & sGET into varZ
put url varZ
?>

I wanted to insert a breakpoint, but then I realized I didn't knew how  
to debug this because of the additional data in the url. Any solutions?

Terry


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 05:22:34 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:22:34 +1000
Subject: Debugging on On-Rev - I don't GET it
In-Reply-To: <09E135DB-733E-49BC-9D09-C92510A24A61@de-mare.nl>
References: <09E135DB-733E-49BC-9D09-C92510A24A61@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909180222r2eadcd70y874545ca91bda081@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Terry Vogelaar <tvogelaar at de-mare.nl> wrote:
> I don't understand how to debug an irev file when form input is involved.
>
> Here it the case:
> I want to pick data up from a CGI driven HTML page. But my irev script needs
> to do some preprocessing first.
> So I made a script "preprocess.irev" and I began to try just passing
> whatever this script GETs:
> I tried "preprocess.irev?id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-5%3A1" with the following
> script:
> <?rev
> put $_GET into sGET
> combine sGET using "&"
> put "script.cgi?set=5&lang=en&pos=0&nobar=1&t=4&" & urlencode(sGET) into
> varZ
> put url varZ
> ?>
>
> It returned "Bad request". But when I hardcoded in exactly the same values,
> it worked:
> <?rev
> put "id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-5%3A1"into sGET
> put "http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?lang=en&set=5&pos=0&nobar=1&t=4&" &
> sGET into varZ
> put url varZ
> ?>
>
> I wanted to insert a breakpoint, but then I realized I didn't knew how to
> debug this because of the additional data in the url. Any solutions?

You can still insert a breakpoint, but instead of just clicking the
Debug button in the On-Rev client, switch to your browser and go to
the page
<http://yourname.on-rev.com:7309/preprocess.irev?id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-5%3A1>
replacing "yourname" in the URL with your on-rev user name, or
replacing the first part of the address with your site address.

As regards fixing your script, there are a couple of problems.
Firstly, you would need to combine sGET using "&" and "=" in order to
get the correct array members.

However this doesn't really help, because then you get into a mess
with urlencoding.
The data is decoded in the $_GET array, so it needs to be urlencoded again.
But if you assemble the whole set of parameter data and urlencode it
all at once, the & and = signs gets encoded too.

So here is what I came up with, which loops through the $_GET array
and constructs the URL as it goes.

put empty into sGET
repeat for each key k in $_GET
	put "&" & k & "=" & urlencode($_GET[k]) after sGET
end repeat

put "script.cgi?set=5&lang=en&pos=0&nobar=1&t=4" & sGET into varZ
put content varZ

The "put content" line at the end is just so you can check what
happening. When you are sure that is correct, then you can change it
to "put URL".
Note that I removed the ampersand that you had at the end of the fixed
part of the URL, as I needed it be be added as part of the repeat
loop.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Sep 18 06:58:28 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:58:28 -1000
Subject: Which Editor? (was: RE: Debugging on On-Rev - I don't GET it)
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909180222r2eadcd70y874545ca91bda081@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09E135DB-733E-49BC-9D09-C92510A24A61@de-mare.nl>
	<f99b52860909180222r2eadcd70y874545ca91bda081@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701ca384e$f469cf20$dd3d6d60$@com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> You can still insert a breakpoint, but instead of just clicking the
> Debug button in the On-Rev client, switch to your browser and go to
> the page
> <http://yourname.on-rev.com:7309/preprocess.irev?id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-
> 5%3A1>
> replacing "yourname" in the URL with your on-rev user name, or
> replacing the first part of the address with your site address.

Hi Sarah,

What editor are you using to edit your irev pages when the page is a
combination of html, tables, forms, CSS, maybe JavaScript, etc., and <?rev
... ?> commands, functions, includes, snippets and variables? Are you using
the On-Rev client and hand-coding everything including page code formatting,
such as indentation, etc.? 

Anyone have suggestions for a WYSIWYG editor for irev pages?

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 07:26:41 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:26:41 +1000
Subject: Which Editor? (was: RE: Debugging on On-Rev - I don't GET it)
In-Reply-To: <000701ca384e$f469cf20$dd3d6d60$@com>
References: <09E135DB-733E-49BC-9D09-C92510A24A61@de-mare.nl>
	<f99b52860909180222r2eadcd70y874545ca91bda081@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ca384e$f469cf20$dd3d6d60$@com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909180426s39b0066el3adf5968cf983515@mail.gmail.com>

>> You can still insert a breakpoint, but instead of just clicking the
>> Debug button in the On-Rev client, switch to your browser and go to
>> the page
>> <http://yourname.on-rev.com:7309/preprocess.irev?id18=1&m=eph+1%3A1-
>> 5%3A1>
>> replacing "yourname" in the URL with your on-rev user name, or
>> replacing the first part of the address with your site address.
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> What editor are you using to edit your irev pages when the page is a
> combination of html, tables, forms, CSS, maybe JavaScript, etc., and <?rev
> ... ?> commands, functions, includes, snippets and variables? Are you using
> the On-Rev client and hand-coding everything including page code formatting,
> such as indentation, etc.?


Actually, I use TextWrangler (a text editor) and hand-code everything.
But the iRev scripting does a lot of the repetitious coding and I use
style sheets to do the formatting.
I like to see up a skeleton page and then have it insert data from
text files, formatting it as it goes.

I only use the On-Rev client for debugging.

For WYSIWYG editing, I have RapidWeaver (Mac only) which allows
insertion of irev pages as iframes, but as I am learning On-Rev, I
prefer to have complete control over the html. Any web editor that
allows you to insert iframes will work, or if you can set the file
extension to irev, I think you could insert HTML snippets full of irev
code.

Cheers,
Sarah


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 10:23:28 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:23:28 +0100
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <25493425.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909170631h28e9b68ckab6374fbdd07943@mail.gmail.com>
	<F2A72DB2-5AB4-4083-B0B4-F709882A92B9@mangomultimedia.com>
	<c1c5836b0909170728j5110f204h8d706efedb3e37c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<25493425.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909180723g318da70ajaf3cd7b4746a5bd4@mail.gmail.com>

>
> 2009/9/17 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>
> Given this, you should be able to simply refer to the long name of the
> substack without needing to explicitly include its mainstack:
>

Yes - the point is that the following give a result that is not only
unexpected but plain wrong (go on - try it and see):


> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
> put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stackObject = the long name of
> stack "revLibrary"  -- believe it or not this is true!
>

In my MVC libraries handlers frequently pass around the objects they acts
on. So early on I put object references into a variable:

put the long id of the target into targetObject

and then pass the variable "targetObject" around. As such a handler that get
passed a reference to a stack in a variable should be confident that it does
what is expected. In my case it did not and added an object to the main
stack and not the substack because of the above bug.

As a passionate advocate for the language and its robustness - maybe a few a
votes here <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8277> would
get this annoyance fixed :)

2009/9/17 Robert Maniquant <rman at free.fr>

>
> COuld you precise which version 3.5 or 4 ? I recall having had some strange
> behaviors related to stack name in variables, I think I took another route,
> but that could explain it!!
>

Pretty sure it will be in all versions.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 18 11:19:24 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:19:24 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
Message-ID: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>

Three new features:

- Auto-complete within property (Raptor) handlers!
- Auto-complete custom properties within in any handler!
- Select Structure lets you find the beginning & end of any structure

Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(

The topic of folding control structures (or at least finding the  
beginning and end of an control structure) was discussed on this list  
here two days ago. Here it is today as a new feature in tRev.

Link to the video:

    http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-sept-18-select-structures

A new version of tRev with these features will be available as a  
component update later today. I have a little more testing to do.

I will let you know when I'm done testing, and you can get this  
update. Look for a post here, on our site or on Twitter.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Sep 18 11:30:25 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:30:25 -0400
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>
References: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>
Message-ID: <9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(

I like this one!

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 18 11:39:42 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:39:42 -0700
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
Message-ID: <4AB3A9BE.6040402@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

>> 2009/9/17 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>>
>> Given this, you should be able to simply refer to the long name of the
>> substack without needing to explicitly include its mainstack:
> 
> Yes - the point is that the following give a result that is not only
> unexpected but plain wrong (go on - try it and see):
>
>> put the name of stack "revLibrary" into stackObject
>> put the long name of stack "revSaving" of stackObject = the long name of
>> stack "revLibrary"  -- believe it or not this is true!

Yep, verified.

If I may suggest, the bug report title might give one the impression 
that the issue is specific to those rev stacks, and given the complexity 
of the Rev IDE such anomalies can be related to a great many things such 
as the way the IDE sometimes renames some of its parts on the fly.

I verified the issue with a simpler stack, with a mainstack named "a" 
and a substack named "b", using this script:

on mouseUp
   put the name of stack "a" into tMainStack
   put the long name of stack "b" of tMainStack into buggyResult
   answer warning "Bug" && buggyResult
end mouseUp

It's probably just because I've been using this family of languages too 
long that I've come to expect oddities in every xTalk when it comes to 
concatenating object descriptors from mixed parts.  HC, SC, and others 
have each had various issues with resolving compound object references, 
often with slight variations between each of these dialects with what 
will work and what won't.

Of all of the xTalks I've worked with, I've found Rev to be the most 
forgiving.  Still has some warts, but overall I can throw a wider range 
of things at it and get a good result than I've been able to with just 
about anything else I've used.  But it seems there's still work to do 
with these resolutions.

Interestingly, a slight modification to the original script to put only 
the short name of the mainstack into a var and then include the object 
type in the script works well:

on mouseUp
   put the short name of stack "a" into tMainStack
   put the long name of stack "b" of stack tMainStack into tResult
   answer "Good: " && tResult
end mouseUp

Looking for a more general principle driving this in Rev's interpreter, 
I tested card references as the base of a compound descriptor, and it 
seems to work well:

on mouseUp
   put the long id of cd 1 of stack "b" into tCard
   put the long id of btn 1 of tCard
end mouseUp

It also works with group references once I put my test buttons into a group:

on mouseUp
   put the long id of grp 1 of stack "b" into tGrp
   put the long id of btn 1 of tGrp
end mouseUp

So the issue seems limited to mainstack references in compound 
expressions in which the object type is part of the variable.  While 
annoying and inconsistent, the bug has a fairly limited scope and is 
easily worked around with a simpler and faster line-liner:

   put the long name of stack "b" into tResult

You can also use:

   put the long id of stack "b" into tResult

Both return the same value.*


> In my MVC libraries handlers frequently pass around the objects they acts
> on. So early on I put object references into a variable:
> 
> put the long id of the target into targetObject
> 
> and then pass the variable "targetObject" around. As such a handler that get
> passed a reference to a stack in a variable should be confident that it does
> what is expected. In my case it did not and added an object to the main
> stack and not the substack because of the above bug.

I often do the same (with the only difference being that I'm a lazy 
typist so I tend to use the var name "tObj" <g>).

Using "the long if" works with all objects, and in my experience this 
easiest-to-obtain form consistently provides reliable results.

The tricky part of all xTalks is the rarer task of needing to obtain an 
object reference with a compound expression.  From time to time it may 
be needed, but fortunately not often.  When it is, with Rev at least we 
can mix and match portions of expressions with a flexibility I've not 
found in any other xTalk dialect, with the sole exception of mainstacks 
which will require a little more care.  A gotcha sure enough, but 
luckily one which will affect few scripts.


> As a passionate advocate for the language and its robustness - maybe a few a
> votes here <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8277> would
> get this annoyance fixed :)

It does appear to be a bug, and I've added one of my votes there (which 
at the moment is the only vote - why is it most folks don't vote for 
their own bugs?).  I've also added my notes above to the report to help 
the team hone in on the root cause.

Any opportunity to remove exceptions in the language will aid adoption, 
which benefits RunRev even more than us.  Thank you for filing the report.



* Now HERE's an anomaly:  if you ask for "the long id" of a stack, you 
get a value which makes the ID of a stack appear to be synonymous with 
its long name, e.g.:

   stack "b" of stack "/Users/rg/Desktop/a.rev"

But if you ask for "the short id" of a stack, you get an arbitrary 
integer assigned dynamically at runtime which appears to change from 
session to session, e.g.:

   1007

Since "the short id" of a stack is close to meaningless, having "the 
long id" of a stack return a value that can be used as an absolute 
reference is helpful, so we can write our scripts to refer to any object 
using "get the long id of <whatever>" and it'll always work regardless 
of object type.

But I can't understand why stacks have an integer value for "the short 
id"; it's both inconsistent with its long id, and inconsistent with the 
IDs of every other object which are a fixed part of the object record.

Since stack names in memory must be unique, it might make more sense to 
have "the short id" of a stack return its short name.  Maybe Dr. Raney 
was anticipating a future in which stack names did not necessarily have 
to be unique; can't say for sure.

I haven't filed this as a bug because I'm uncertain what exactly would 
be best here.  Consistency is the goal of course, but stack integer IDs 
can't be unique across sessions unless they adopt some complicated thing 
like a UID for stacks, and using the short name for the short id would 
conflict with another request I've submitted to move beyond the 
unique-stack-name-in-memory limitation:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1061>

What would be the ideal solution to make short and long IDs of stacks 
most consistent with the rest of the language?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 11:46:01 2009
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:46:01 -0400
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>
	<9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <325413300909180846k21a7fe94ma65ddb3fca3e50e8@mail.gmail.com>

Its Tcool!

Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
www.dxbase.com
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
www.sdrsystems.com
(540) 242 0911

Amateur Radio: K3NC
Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/
DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com
Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/

DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23





On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Trevor DeVore
<lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>  Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(
>>
>
> I like this one!
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Application Development with Revolution Course:
> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/
>
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Sep 18 12:57:43 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:57:43 -0700
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <4AB3A9BE.6040402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB3A9BE.6040402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <312BA499-D743-4E21-A65C-72CD869387C8@ahsomme.com>

Richard, Dave,
It now has six votes.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8277

Paul Looney



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 18 13:22:22 2009
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:22:22 -0500
Subject: Error message on loading revLet
In-Reply-To: <312BA499-D743-4E21-A65C-72CD869387C8@ahsomme.com>
References: <4AB3A9BE.6040402@fourthworld.com>
	<312BA499-D743-4E21-A65C-72CD869387C8@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <6EFB33F8-E3AA-4E90-8991-AC58423D818D@earthlink.net>

> I just converted a fairly complex stack that includes quicktime  
> movies, embedded images, etc. for the web.  The stack runs fine as a  
> desktop app but when I try to use it as a revlet, I get the  
> following error message:


		"There was an error loading the revlet - unexpected data encountered  
at end of revlet."

Any idea what the problem might be, where I might look to find it, and  
how I might fix it?

TIA
Marian


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 18 13:24:20 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:24:20 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
Message-ID: <4AB3C244.90209@fourthworld.com>

Jerry Daniels wrote:
> Three new features:
> 
> - Auto-complete within property (Raptor) handlers!
> - Auto-complete custom properties within in any handler!
> - Select Structure lets you find the beginning & end of any structure
> 
> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(

Congrats on rolling this into your editor.

Glad to see you were able to overcome the performance issue you were 
initially concerned about.  The final result seems to run as fast as the 
script I posted here Tuesday.  Rev's speed makes so many things 
possible. :)  Good work.

On the keyboard shortcut, do you currently use Cmd-) for anything?

When I was adding this to ROSE Tuesday morning I ran the idea by Ken who 
also uses that editor, and he was concerned about selecting the text 
making it too easy to accidentally delete it.  Sure, there's Undo, but 
he suggested we implement two different variants of Select Structure, 
one which does the selection like BBEdit does, and one which merely 
shows the structure visually without altering the selection.

So I've built mine with both, one using an underlying graphic to show 
the structure, as well as the simpler version which just selects the text.

If you're using Cmd-( for Select Structure, I would be inclined to use 
Cmd-) for Show Structure, unless it conflicts with other keyboard 
shortcuts folks might be accustomed to.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Sep 18 13:36:35 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:36:35 +0200
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <914C8AE2-65DB-4FF1-94B9-DC8C272EF4F6@derbrill.de>

Hey all,

just in case you did not already, you really should check out franklin  
if you are interested into doing any 3d work in rev. This looks really  
really promissing. Can?t wait till it is final. Going to play a bit  
more with it, but I must say I am impressed.

Cheers,

Malte

From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Sep 18 13:42:43 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:42:43 -0700
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <914C8AE2-65DB-4FF1-94B9-DC8C272EF4F6@derbrill.de>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<914C8AE2-65DB-4FF1-94B9-DC8C272EF4F6@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <132C2D6E-31F1-435D-A0D1-CE5B1116003E@cox.net>

Malte, you didn't provide a link to franklin3d. I've never heard of  
it. Would you please?

TIA,

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect




On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> just in case you did not already, you really should check out  
> franklin if you are interested into doing any 3d work in rev. This  
> looks really really promissing. Can?t wait till it is final. Going  
> to play a bit more with it, but I must say I am impressed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte_______________________________________________


From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Sep 18 13:47:18 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:47:18 +0200
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>

Hey Joe,

Lynn announced the beta for it here:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-September/128409.html

It is currently available to test for windows:

http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip
This really has the potential to be a "game changing" external for my  
games company. :) wOOt. <g>

Cheers,

Malte



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 18 13:53:28 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:53:28 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
Message-ID: <4AB3C918.6050103@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Anyone interested in a solid 3D game engine for Revolution? :-) This is
> getting good enough to show, so we thought we'd show it.
...
> Download: http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip
> 
> Report Issues: http://www.franklin3d.com/bt
> 
> What is Franklin 3D?
> -----------------------
> Franklin 3D ports the stable, muscular Irrlicht engine so that its
> accessible within Runtime Revolution. You will be able to make OpenGL or
> DirectX powered games.
> 
> Where to Learn More
> -----------------------
> The website is just coming together, here: http://franklin3d.com/. It will
> be more polished over the next few days.

Great news, Lynn.  I missed this when it came out, but with Malte's 
repost I went over to the site -- looks quite promising!

Any plans for a Linux version down the road?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 18 14:14:01 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:14:01 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <4AB3C244.90209@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB3C244.90209@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <73CE4A2E-D4A6-41E8-BE36-3399A9653539@me.com>

Thanks, Richard. I'll stick with what we have for a while. See how it  
works and if people really use it.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jerry Daniels wrote:
>> Three new features:
>> - Auto-complete within property (Raptor) handlers!
>> - Auto-complete custom properties within in any handler!
>> - Select Structure lets you find the beginning & end of any structure
>> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(
>
> Congrats on rolling this into your editor.
>
> Glad to see you were able to overcome the performance issue you were  
> initially concerned about.  The final result seems to run as fast as  
> the script I posted here Tuesday.  Rev's speed makes so many things  
> possible. :)  Good work.
>
> On the keyboard shortcut, do you currently use Cmd-) for anything?
>
> When I was adding this to ROSE Tuesday morning I ran the idea by Ken  
> who also uses that editor, and he was concerned about selecting the  
> text making it too easy to accidentally delete it.  Sure, there's  
> Undo, but he suggested we implement two different variants of Select  
> Structure, one which does the selection like BBEdit does, and one  
> which merely shows the structure visually without altering the  
> selection.
>
> So I've built mine with both, one using an underlying graphic to  
> show the structure, as well as the simpler version which just  
> selects the text.
>
> If you're using Cmd-( for Select Structure, I would be inclined to  
> use Cmd-) for Show Structure, unless it conflicts with other  
> keyboard shortcuts folks might be accustomed to.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 18 14:14:48 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:14:48 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <325413300909180846k21a7fe94ma65ddb3fca3e50e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>
	<9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>
	<325413300909180846k21a7fe94ma65ddb3fca3e50e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD1BF9EB-9F99-422F-9F4A-3BDA55DE36B8@me.com>

Thanks, Neal.

Would that be tCool?

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Neal Campbell wrote:

> Its Tcool!
>
> Neal Campbell
> Abroham Neal Software
> www.dxbase.com
> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
> www.sdrsystems.com
> (540) 242 0911
>
> Amateur Radio: K3NC
> Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/
> DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com
> Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/
>
> DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Trevor DeVore
> <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>>
>> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(
>>>
>>
>> I like this one!
>>
>> --
>> Trevor DeVore
>> Blue Mango Learning Systems
>> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
>> Application Development with Revolution Course:
>> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 18 14:15:05 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:15:05 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>
	<9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <32750C86-4D95-41D0-BE6F-D1B332A4101C@me.com>

Thanks, Mr. T!

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(
>
> I like this one!
>
> --  
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/
>
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 14:33:18 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:33:18 +0100
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <4AB3A9BE.6040402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB3A9BE.6040402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909181133i73da1aceu1db8f49013aef5c4@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/18 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

>
> Using "the long if" works with all objects, and in my experience this
> easiest-to-obtain form consistently provides reliable results.
>

There is a case, where the long id stops working which was intoduced since
3.5 and behaviors. Though I have not had time to track down the cause. I
have filed it here <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8014>
:

It totally baffles me but sometimes "the long id of the target" fails to
convert an object reference form the form "control id 1234 of stack XXX" -
I've set a breakpoint in a crucial handler so I can clearly see the script
and variables when it fails - but can;t reproduce it except to note it only
happens occasionally with this behavior type reference. Anyway...

What would be the ideal solution to make short and long IDs of stacks most
> consistent with the rest of the language?


I'd go for returning the short name of the stackas equivalent to a unique
"id" of an object - unless there is a use for the current id (number)
returned.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 18 14:39:36 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:39:36 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
Message-ID: <4AB3D3E8.5050502@fourthworld.com>

Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Thanks, Richard. I'll stick with what we have for a while. See how it  
> works and if people really use it.

I'm sure they will.  It's only been in my editor for less than a week 
and it's been very helpful.

My question wasn't about whether to keep it (of course you should), but 
merely whether you were using Cmd-) for anything in tRev.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
> 
> On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Jerry Daniels wrote:
>>> Three new features:
>>> - Auto-complete within property (Raptor) handlers!
>>> - Auto-complete custom properties within in any handler!
>>> - Select Structure lets you find the beginning & end of any structure
>>> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(
>>
>> Congrats on rolling this into your editor.
>>
>> Glad to see you were able to overcome the performance issue you were  
>> initially concerned about.  The final result seems to run as fast as  
>> the script I posted here Tuesday.  Rev's speed makes so many things  
>> possible. :)  Good work.
>>
>> On the keyboard shortcut, do you currently use Cmd-) for anything?
>>
>> When I was adding this to ROSE Tuesday morning I ran the idea by Ken  
>> who also uses that editor, and he was concerned about selecting the  
>> text making it too easy to accidentally delete it.  Sure, there's  
>> Undo, but he suggested we implement two different variants of Select  
>> Structure, one which does the selection like BBEdit does, and one  
>> which merely shows the structure visually without altering the  
>> selection.
>>
>> So I've built mine with both, one using an underlying graphic to  
>> show the structure, as well as the simpler version which just  
>> selects the text.
>>
>> If you're using Cmd-( for Select Structure, I would be inclined to  
>> use Cmd-) for Show Structure, unless it conflicts with other  
>> keyboard shortcuts folks might be accustomed to.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 18 14:45:09 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:45:09 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <AD1BF9EB-9F99-422F-9F4A-3BDA55DE36B8@me.com>
References: <A895A178-D015-41B6-8946-2B3F8C5E410B@me.com>
	<9DE53F3C-0235-4A20-8C4C-07A94C08B6FD@mangomultimedia.com>
	<325413300909180846k21a7fe94ma65ddb3fca3e50e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD1BF9EB-9F99-422F-9F4A-3BDA55DE36B8@me.com>
Message-ID: <57416640187.20090918114509@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Friday, September 18, 2009, 11:14:48 AM, you wrote:

> Would that be tCool?

Actually, I think it's 2Cool.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 18 14:53:15 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:53:15 -0700
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
Message-ID: <4AB3D71B.6030906@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> There is a case, where the long id stops working which was intoduced since
> 3.5 and behaviors. Though I have not had time to track down the cause. I
> have filed it here <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8014>
> 
> It totally baffles me but sometimes "the long id of the target" fails to
> convert an object reference form the form "control id 1234 of stack XXX" -
> I've set a breakpoint in a crucial handler so I can clearly see the script
> and variables when it fails - but can;t reproduce it except to note it only
> happens occasionally with this behavior type reference. Anyway...

Very interesting bug you stumbled across there.  Oddly enough, I can't 
reproduce it using:

   put the long id of btn id 1008 of stack "b"

...which returns the object descriptor with the full hierarchy as we 
would expect:

   button id 1008 of card id 1002 of stack "b" of stack 
"/Users/rg/Desktop/a.rev"

Maybe this issue is specific to debug mode?  Have you found a recipe for 
getting that result outside of debugging?


The weirder part of that report was the part about behaviors being 
disconnected even though the behavior reference was apparently correct:

    Then I issued "set the behavior of grp 1 to the behavior
    of grp 1" and everything started working again across
    multiple stacks.

If the behavior is a valid reference, what would cause it to go bad?

I agree with your suggestion there that if the engine is unable to find 
a referenced behavior it should automatically do the equivalent of "set 
the behavior to the behavior" to attempt to fix it before bailing out.


> What would be the ideal solution to make short and long IDs of stacks most
>> consistent with the rest of the language?
> 
> I'd go for returning the short name of the stackas equivalent to a unique
> "id" of an object - unless there is a use for the current id (number)
> returned.

I'm inclined to agree, but it may be useful to know why stacks have 
integer IDs at all.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Sep 18 14:58:57 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:58:57 -0700
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <3111C05D-0DFE-4671-A37D-F98434E3840B@cox.net>

Thanks Malte. It'll be interesting to see if it has any application to  
the kinds of things I do. I don't do games. (frown)

Joe Lewis Wilkins


On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hey Joe,
>
> Lynn announced the beta for it here:
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-September/128409.html
>
> It is currently available to test for windows:
>
> http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip
> This really has the potential to be a "game changing" external for  
> my games company. :) wOOt. <g>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:25:01 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:25:01 +0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB3DE8D.4070506@gmail.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Keep an eye on Haiku, it will make lots of noise.
>
>   
Have just burnt a CD and bunged it in the P4 . . . Live only, as don't
want to lose my Happy Ubuntu Box:

Hey, the boot is pretty fast.

Nice, clean GUI; err . . . makes me think of Damn Small with
its modified Fluxbox. Not that I feel an urge to go back to that
as i am fairly well hooked on a WIMP GUI.

Hmm, contextual menus are still fairly slow . . . waiting for Bogbrush
(err, sorry, 'Wonderbrush') to load:

Yup, even live this works very quickly, exports to a good range of formats,
and resembles MacPaint: guess I must be missing something.

Trying the BeZillaBrowser (what a SILLY name): CD is churning away like
the gods and the daemons at the milk ocean. But once it gets going it
loads my website front page; err . . . cannot cope with JPEGs in webpages.

Looking for a text-editor: "Pe" is not exactly an intuitive name for one
(mind you, nor is "gedit").  Cripes, nothing to rival Open Office Org that
came 'right out of the box' with Ubuntu.

Fairly negative noises just now . . . but I will keep looking.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can see no reason for porting RunRev to an OS until there is a sufficient
app base to knock together reasonable stacks (to me this means
GIMP and Audacity or equivalents at the very least) and a user-base
to justify the effort involved.

 From a personal point of view I can see that Haiku looks quite sexy in
GUI terms and probably boots and runs faster than a lot of Ubuntu distros
[and to support this I should point out that I have just put my P3s in my
school BACK to Ubuntu 5.10 from 8.04 as 5.10 is significantly less
resource hungry] until there is a port of RunRev or an equivalent RAD
I cannot see myself or any other educational types who "roll their own"
going down that route.


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:30:38 2009
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:30:38 +0200
Subject: How I check if words from two fields match?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0909181230i437a33dbr9a0a88679ef9e4c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there all,

I have a field "number 1" with a word in it (put in by user)
Next I am putting a lot of words from a remote .txt file into another field
"number 2".
How do I check if the word from fld "number1" is within the words of fld
"number2"?

For now I use:
find string the text of fld "number1" in fld "number2"

But how do I proceed?
When they match I want to use something like: answer "Well done!"

Greetings,

William


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:43:24 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:43:24 +0300
Subject: How I check if words from two fields match?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0909181230i437a33dbr9a0a88679ef9e4c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0909181230i437a33dbr9a0a88679ef9e4c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB3E2DC.7040103@gmail.com>

William de Smet wrote:
> Hi there all,
>
> I have a field "number 1" with a word in it (put in by user)
> Next I am putting a lot of words from a remote .txt file into another field
> "number 2".
> How do I check if the word from fld "number1" is within the words of fld
> "number2"?
>
> For now I use:
> find string the text of fld "number1" in fld "number2"
>
> But how do I proceed?
> When they match I want to use something like: answer "Well done!"
>
> Greetings,
>
> William
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   
on mouseUp
   put fld "Field1" into TWORD
   put fld "Field2" into TSTRING
   if TSTRING contains TWORD then put "Well Done!" into fld "Field3"
end mouseUp


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 16:06:44 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:06:44 +0100
Subject: Is this sort of thing a bug?
In-Reply-To: <4AB3D71B.6030906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB3D71B.6030906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909181306k6c36f2dcx8fac2885cdfc8126@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/18 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

>
> Very interesting bug you stumbled across there.  Oddly enough, I can't
> reproduce it using:
>
>  put the long id of btn id 1008 of stack "b"
>

Unfortunately not. I can't track it down - think I'll throw in an
exectutionContexts so I can figure out when the bug gets triggered

The weirder part of that report was the part about behaviors being
> disconnected even though the behavior reference was apparently correct:
>
>   Then I issued "set the behavior of grp 1 to the behavior
>   of grp 1" and everything started working again across
>   multiple stacks.
>
> If the behavior is a valid reference, what would cause it to go bad?
>

I've not had this in a while - so I am not sure. Part of the problem was
also my fault in that if a behavior is set to a stack, and that stack is not
in memory then obviously the reference fails. Some of the behaviors were in
stacks with destroystack = true and in those case where the stacks had no
entries in the stackfiles the behavior failed. But why the above fixed
things in early 3.5 I never figured out.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 18 16:16:16 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:16:16 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Video is up!
In-Reply-To: <4AB3D3E8.5050502@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB3D3E8.5050502@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5517E3D3-9092-433E-9379-C103B1E84537@me.com>

Nope.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Richard. I'll stick with what we have for a while. See how  
>> it  works and if people really use it.
>
> I'm sure they will.  It's only been in my editor for less than a  
> week and it's been very helpful.
>
> My question wasn't about whether to keep it (of course you should),  
> but merely whether you were using Cmd-) for anything in tRev.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>> On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Jerry Daniels wrote:
>>>> Three new features:
>>>> - Auto-complete within property (Raptor) handlers!
>>>> - Auto-complete custom properties within in any handler!
>>>> - Select Structure lets you find the beginning & end of any  
>>>> structure
>>>> Shortcut for Select Structure is command+(
>>>
>>> Congrats on rolling this into your editor.
>>>
>>> Glad to see you were able to overcome the performance issue you  
>>> were  initially concerned about.  The final result seems to run as  
>>> fast as  the script I posted here Tuesday.  Rev's speed makes so  
>>> many things  possible. :)  Good work.
>>>
>>> On the keyboard shortcut, do you currently use Cmd-) for anything?
>>>
>>> When I was adding this to ROSE Tuesday morning I ran the idea by  
>>> Ken  who also uses that editor, and he was concerned about  
>>> selecting the  text making it too easy to accidentally delete it.   
>>> Sure, there's  Undo, but he suggested we implement two different  
>>> variants of Select  Structure, one which does the selection like  
>>> BBEdit does, and one  which merely shows the structure visually  
>>> without altering the  selection.
>>>
>>> So I've built mine with both, one using an underlying graphic to   
>>> show the structure, as well as the simpler version which just   
>>> selects the text.
>>>
>>> If you're using Cmd-( for Select Structure, I would be inclined  
>>> to  use Cmd-) for Show Structure, unless it conflicts with other   
>>> keyboard shortcuts folks might be accustomed to.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World
>>> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 18 16:37:36 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:37:36 EDT
Subject: How I check if words from two fields match?
Message-ID: <d59.491c21ab.37e54990@aol.com>

Richard's solution deals with strings, and would return true if the word 
you were checking for was "yes", and the user entry data was "I went home 
yesterday".   

If you want to make sure that only full words returned a valid match, just 
change the script to:

on mouseUp
    put fld "Field1" into TWORD
    put fld "Field2" into TSTRING
    if TWORD is among the words of TSTRING then answer "Well Done!"
end mouseUp

Craig Newman


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 16:40:55 2009
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:40:55 +0200
Subject: How I check if words from two fields match?
In-Reply-To: <d59.491c21ab.37e54990@aol.com>
References: <d59.491c21ab.37e54990@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0909181340mc208fa4r62e00348210a34f8@mail.gmail.com>

@ Craig & Richmond: thanks!

2009/9/18 <DunbarX at aol.com>

> Richard's solution deals with strings, and would return true if the word
> you were checking for was "yes", and the user entry data was "I went home
> yesterday".
>
> If you want to make sure that only full words returned a valid match, just
> change the script to:
>
> on mouseUp
>    put fld "Field1" into TWORD
>    put fld "Field2" into TSTRING
>     if TWORD is among the words of TSTRING then answer "Well Done!"
> end mouseUp
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Sep 18 17:02:05 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:02:05 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <4AB3C918.6050103@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB3C918.6050103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <46CE4E0DB0D94E7C9100CE3A0EACCC2C@GATEWAY>

Hi Richard,

> > Where to Learn More
> > -----------------------
> > The website is just coming together, here: 
> http://franklin3d.com/. It 
> > will be more polished over the next few days.
> 
> Great news, Lynn.  I missed this when it came out, but with 
> Malte's repost I went over to the site -- looks quite promising!
> 
> Any plans for a Linux version down the road?

This will all depend on customer demand, but we have all the ingredients to
do it.

Probably the trickiest part of supporting Linux isnt the coding itself but
like most issues related to games, available and polished drivers for video
cards. The big names in video cards are getting a lot better though.

The Windows test stack is available right now. Here are the links I posted
the other day again:

Download: http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip

Report Issues: http://www.franklin3d.com/bt

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From higginsta at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 19:13:20 2009
From: higginsta at gmail.com (Todd Higgins)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:13:20 -0400
Subject: Difference between tRev and GLX2?
Message-ID: <C246985B-90DF-470F-BA77-A3070AD0AE8A@gmail.com>

I am seeing a lot of traffic on the list in regards to tRev.  Does  
that mean the GLX (like Galaxy before it) is now a defunct product?   
What if any difference is there between the 2 products?  Is there any  
kind of reasonable upgrade path for a former GLX license holder?

Thanks,

Todd



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 19:55:57 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:55:57 +1000
Subject: Difference between tRev and GLX2?
In-Reply-To: <C246985B-90DF-470F-BA77-A3070AD0AE8A@gmail.com>
References: <C246985B-90DF-470F-BA77-A3070AD0AE8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909181655y72e23efcgbdb3aedace9a068d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Todd Higgins <higginsta at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am seeing a lot of traffic on the list in regards to tRev. ?Does that mean
> the GLX (like Galaxy before it) is now a defunct product? ?What if any
> difference is there between the 2 products? ?Is there any kind of reasonable
> upgrade path for a former GLX license holder?


tRev is Jerry Daniel's new script editor, so while GLX2 is still
available, I imagine that it is no longer being actively maintained or
upgraded. It also doesn't play very nicely with the more recent
versions of Rev.

The main difference is that tRev is a standalone app and does not run
as part of the Rev IDE. It operates outside the IDE communicating via
sockets.
It is extremely stable, very fast, clean & easy to use. I thoroughly
recommend it. (I am not connected with Jerry in any way, I just use
his products.)

You can find out more about it at <http://reveditor.com/> and I
suggest watching the videos, especially some of the earlier ones, to
see how it works and to learn how to access all it's features. THE FAQ
section also has a very good summary
<http://reveditor.com/frequently-asked-questions-27>.

There is a link at the revEditor site to buy it from the revSelect
store, but I'm not sure if there is an upgrade deal for GLX users. I
suggest you email Jerry <jerry at reveditor.com> to check this.

Cheers,
Sarah


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Sep 18 23:46:38 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: Weird stack appearing
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909181655y72e23efcgbdb3aedace9a068d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C246985B-90DF-470F-BA77-A3070AD0AE8A@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909181655y72e23efcgbdb3aedace9a068d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB4541E.3050702@comcast.net>

Well I've probably been drinking my bath water, but . . .  I keep 
finding a stack with the name "rces/PrinterInfo.xml" in the same folder 
as a stack I've been working on. When I open the oddly named stack, its 
contents are the stack that I'm working on. I'll delete the weirdly 
named stack, only to find it again soon. For the life of me I cannot 
figure out what I might be doing wrong. I am doing a lot of print 
testing. I'm also using this stack as a template for other stacks. 
Anyone else had this happen? I'm on a Mac, latest OS and version 4 of 
Rev Studio.

Marty Knapp


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Sep 19 00:27:31 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:27:31 -0400
Subject: Support for SQL Server in SQL Yoga
Message-ID: <336E155D-47A2-43F8-BA56-151F6DE265A3@mangomultimedia.com>

Just a note for those who have been asking about SQL Server support in  
SQL Yoga. I just uploaded 1.0.0 build 5 BETA. With this version SQL  
Server accessed through RevDB using ODBC is passing unit tests. You  
can find links to downloads and the docs (works in progress, finished  
before release) here:

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/

An example of which properties to set on a SQL Yoga Connection object  
for SQL Server can be seen here:

http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/sqlyoga/lessons/5861-Incorporating-SQL-Yoga-Into-Your-Application-For-the-First-Time

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Sep 19 02:14:12 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:14:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182313001.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>

What are we poor Mac users to do?

I know Lynn promised something would be forthcoming, but will the same 
pre-order stuff be available when a Mac test version is available?

Just wondering...

Judy

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hey Joe,
>
> Lynn announced the beta for it here:
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-September/128409.html
>
> It is currently available to test for windows:


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Sep 19 02:15:39 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <3111C05D-0DFE-4671-A37D-F98434E3840B@cox.net>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>
	<3111C05D-0DFE-4671-A37D-F98434E3840B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182314470.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Oh, come on Joe -- didn't you do a coloring book in Rev?

I know, I know... not a game... still, you never know ;-)

Judy

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Thanks Malte. It'll be interesting to see if it has any application to the 
> kinds of things I do. I don't do games. (frown)


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat Sep 19 02:17:11 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:17:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <46CE4E0DB0D94E7C9100CE3A0EACCC2C@GATEWAY>
References: <4AB3C918.6050103@fourthworld.com>
	<46CE4E0DB0D94E7C9100CE3A0EACCC2C@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182316150.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Any idea when a Mac version will be available?

Sorry if you've said previously...

Judy

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
>>> Where to Learn More
>>> -----------------------
>>> The website is just coming together, here:
>> http://franklin3d.com/. It
>>> will be more polished over the next few days.

<snip>
>
> The Windows test stack is available right now. Here are the links I posted
> the other day again:
>
> Download: http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip
>
> Report Issues: http://www.franklin3d.com/bt
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks


From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 05:21:50 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:21:50 +0200
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <4AB3DE8D.4070506@gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB3DE8D.4070506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <302B7041-2C24-471B-B93E-8C5F8663A4FE@gmail.com>

Le 18 sept. 09 ? 21:25, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :


> <....>
> From a personal point of view I can see that Haiku looks quite sexy in
> GUI terms and probably boots and runs faster than a lot of Ubuntu  
> distros
> [and to support this I should point out that I have just put my P3s  
> in my
> school BACK to Ubuntu 5.10 from 8.04 as 5.10 is significantly less
> resource hungry] until there is a port of RunRev or an equivalent RAD
> I cannot see myself or any other educational types who "roll their  
> own"
> going down that route.

Hi Richmond,

Do you know PureOSlight  ?  ( http://pureos.org/ )

PureOSlight est un mini liveCD (350 mo) avec Xfce,
Iceweasel, Icedove, Abiword, Gnumeric, Exaile, VLC..

May be interesting for you  ?

HTH
Regards,
Thierry



From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 05:30:08 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:30:08 +0200
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
Message-ID: <F061BC54-6622-443E-8174-8AE4C10C1F3B@gmail.com>

Hi all,


Great news from France :-)

This morning, reading a french magazine about Opensource ,
found a short article about RevMedia, RevStudio and Reventerprise !

not very often we can read about Revolution in France and in French....


Regards,
Thierry



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Sep 19 05:51:24 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:51:24 +0200
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
In-Reply-To: <F061BC54-6622-443E-8174-8AE4C10C1F3B@gmail.com>
References: <F061BC54-6622-443E-8174-8AE4C10C1F3B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA191E16-F2A8-4DC8-AF14-DEBDD4BAD40D@skynet.be>


Le 19-sept.-09 ? 11:30, Thierry a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
>
> Great news from France :-)
>
> This morning, reading a french magazine about Opensource ,
> found a short article about RevMedia, RevStudio and Reventerprise !
>
> not very often we can read about Revolution in France and in  
> French....
>
>


Indeed ! which magazine ?

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Sep 19 06:01:28 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:01:28 +0200
Subject: AppleScript Users
Message-ID: <A61786A3-6A5D-4458-A2B8-CFFB9F8EEEE7@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I check in regularly to another forum
(applescript-users at lists.apple.com),
just to see what is going on, and maybe
to pick up a useful Apple Script.

Since the release of Snow Leopard, there
has been a flurry of messages talking
about all the things that "don't work
no more !" :>(

I haven't yet made my decision to go Snow,

......but I think I will wait a little !

-Francis




From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 06:05:50 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:05:50 +0200
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
In-Reply-To: <AA191E16-F2A8-4DC8-AF14-DEBDD4BAD40D@skynet.be>
References: <F061BC54-6622-443E-8174-8AE4C10C1F3B@gmail.com>
	<AA191E16-F2A8-4DC8-AF14-DEBDD4BAD40D@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <130A220B-AD45-49C3-A92E-B8BBDC3F3548@gmail.com>

Le 19 sept. 09 ? 11:51, Yves COPPE a ?crit :

> Le 19-sept.-09 ? 11:30, Thierry a ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Great news from France :-)
>>
>> This morning, reading a french magazine about Opensource ,
>> found a short article about RevMedia, RevStudio and Reventerprise !
>>
>> not very often we can read about Revolution in France and in  
>> French....
>
> Indeed ! which magazine ?
>
> Amicalement.
> Yves COPPE

You're lucky it is distributed in Belgium too :-)

OpenSource Magazine  No 22 ( Sept-Oct 2009 )

it's a very short text, but still....

Regards,
Thierry



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Sep 19 08:16:36 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:16:36 -0500
Subject: Support for SQL Server in SQL Yoga
In-Reply-To: <336E155D-47A2-43F8-BA56-151F6DE265A3@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <336E155D-47A2-43F8-BA56-151F6DE265A3@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4AB4CBA4.8080707@crcom.net>

Thanks for this Trevor!!!  I'll give it a workout and report back!

len morgan

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> Just a note for those who have been asking about SQL Server support in 
> SQL Yoga. I just uploaded 1.0.0 build 5 BETA. With this version SQL 
> Server accessed through RevDB using ODBC is passing unit tests. You 
> can find links to downloads and the docs (works in progress, finished 
> before release) here:
>
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/
>
> An example of which properties to set on a SQL Yoga Connection object 
> for SQL Server can be seen here:
>
> http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/sqlyoga/lessons/5861-Incorporating-SQL-Yoga-Into-Your-Application-For-the-First-Time 
>
>


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 08:30:38 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:30:38 +0100
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <46CE4E0DB0D94E7C9100CE3A0EACCC2C@GATEWAY>
References: <4AB3C918.6050103@fourthworld.com>
	<46CE4E0DB0D94E7C9100CE3A0EACCC2C@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909190530i388f7401mf8869e8252a42448@mail.gmail.com>

Lynn - its good to see there are quite a few standard formats supported by
the open source Irrlicht
backend<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrlicht_Engine>that Franklin3D
is using:

Irrlicht supports a wealth of file formats. It will load and display 3ds Max
files, Quake 2 MD2 Models, Maya .obj objects, Quake 3 .bsp maps, Milkshape3D
objects, and DirectX .x
files.[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrlicht_Engine#cite_note-17>More
3D format support have been written as external plugins.

I've not been able to find any reviews comparing Irrlicht with other cross
platform 3D engines out there - Irrlicht is an interesting choice but not an
engine I've heard of before - have you got any links to reviews or perhaps a
reason why you chose Irrlicht over other more common open source game
engines <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_game_engines> (for
instance OGRE and Crystal Space)

I'd also be interested on your thoughts as to how you might integrate
something like Blender into the workflow / editing environment?


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Sat Sep 19 08:56:09 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:56:09 -0400
Subject: Support for SQL Server in SQL Yoga
In-Reply-To: <336E155D-47A2-43F8-BA56-151F6DE265A3@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <336E155D-47A2-43F8-BA56-151F6DE265A3@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <E920BA9E-8B4D-48B5-BDE4-9B3A13129A65@luceatlux.com>

The 'download demo' is listed on the page as 1.0.0 build 3 -- is that  
just a typo?  Is this the page purchasers should look at to find out  
about new versions?  I'm eager to keep up to date...

George

On Sep 19, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

Just a note for those who have been asking about SQL Server support in  
SQL Yoga. I just uploaded 1.0.0 build 5 BETA. With this version SQL  
Server accessed through RevDB using ODBC is passing unit tests. You  
can find links to downloads and the docs (works in progress, finished  
before release) here:

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/

An example of which properties to set on a SQL Yoga Connection object  
for SQL Server can be seen here:

http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/sqlyoga/lessons/5861-Incorporating-SQL-Yoga-Into-Your-Application-For-the-First-Time

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 19 09:19:52 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:19:52 -0700
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
Message-ID: <4AB4DA78.5000308@fourthworld.com>

Thierry wrote:

> Great news from France :-)
> 
> This morning, reading a french magazine about Opensource ,
> found a short article about RevMedia, RevStudio and Reventerprise !
> 
> not very often we can read about Revolution in France and in French....

...and even rarer to read about Rev in a venue that focuses on open source.

Good to hear - is there an online version of the article?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Sep 19 09:48:12 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:48:12 -0700
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182314470.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de>
	<3111C05D-0DFE-4671-A37D-F98434E3840B@cox.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182314470.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <B62AD12B-9E26-41DF-A681-E3CB46094943@cox.net>

True, Judy. You never can tell.

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Oh, come on Joe -- didn't you do a coloring book in Rev?
>
> I know, I know... not a game... still, you never know ;-)
>
> Judy
>
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Thanks Malte. It'll be interesting to see if it has any application  
>> to the kinds of things I do. I don't do games. (frown)



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat Sep 19 10:24:05 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:24:05 -0700
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182316150.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4AB3C918.6050103@fourthworld.com><46CE4E0DB0D94E7C9100CE3A0EACCC2C@GATEWAY>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182316150.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <6499C415055B4B5FB55D54F76D95FAF3@GATEWAY>

Hi Judy,

> Any idea when a Mac version will be available?
> 
> Sorry if you've said previously...

Its all dependent on our Founder orders. We've funded development of
Franklin 3D in a...well...sour economy that has become so endearing to all
of us ;-) Development of Franklin on Mac OS X is a little more expensive
because of the skills needed on the platform. But if we get enough
pre-orders then its just a few months at most.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat Sep 19 10:31:13 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:31:13 -0700
Subject: franklin3d
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182314470.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <20090918170004.EF46748B0EA@mail.runrev.com><C60110A8-BE7A-474A-A68F-767E46A4E505@derbrill.de><3111C05D-0DFE-4671-A37D-F98434E3840B@cox.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909182314470.13320@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <A74564FD5CD54B84B77AEFF58F3C8C6B@GATEWAY>

> Oh, come on Joe -- didn't you do a coloring book in Rev?
> 
> I know, I know... not a game... still, you never know ;-)

Franklin3D is something you can use for more than just games. Two big ones
that come to mind are 3D based simulations and also 3D data visualization. 

Also, don't forget you can do 2D within the Franklin3D as well - except that
its accelerated by whatever underlying hardware situation you have.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 10:43:10 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:43:10 +0300
Subject: [SOT] Haiku ???
In-Reply-To: <302B7041-2C24-471B-B93E-8C5F8663A4FE@gmail.com>
References: <4AB1FAD8.6060609@gmail.com>	<7c87a2a10909170539i6fdfbfc9xcbe5e6f29d0e590@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB3DE8D.4070506@gmail.com>
	<302B7041-2C24-471B-B93E-8C5F8663A4FE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB4EDFE.4030705@gmail.com>

Thierry wrote:
> Le 18 sept. 09 ? 21:25, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
>> <....>
>> From a personal point of view I can see that Haiku looks quite sexy in
>> GUI terms and probably boots and runs faster than a lot of Ubuntu 
>> distros
>> [and to support this I should point out that I have just put my P3s 
>> in my
>> school BACK to Ubuntu 5.10 from 8.04 as 5.10 is significantly less
>> resource hungry] until there is a port of RunRev or an equivalent RAD
>> I cannot see myself or any other educational types who "roll their own"
>> going down that route.
>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Do you know PureOSlight  ?  ( http://pureos.org/ )
>
> PureOSlight est un mini liveCD (350 mo) avec Xfce,
> Iceweasel, Icedove, Abiword, Gnumeric, Exaile, VLC..
>
> May be interesting for you  ?
>
> HTH
> Regards,
> Thierry
>
Merci bien!


From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 10:57:02 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:57:02 +0200
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
In-Reply-To: <4AB4DA78.5000308@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB4DA78.5000308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <197D9ACA-F7D6-4D8D-A1B5-A55E0890C6CB@gmail.com>

Le 19 sept. 09 ? 15:19, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Thierry wrote:
>
>> Great news from France :-)
>> This morning, reading a french magazine about Opensource ,
>> found a short article about RevMedia, RevStudio and Reventerprise !
>> not very often we can read about Revolution in France and in  
>> French....
>
> ...and even rarer to read about Rev in a venue that focuses on open  
> source.

:-)

> Good to hear - is there an online version of the article?

No.

but , really, was only few lines to present mostly revMedia,
a link to runrev.com, and finish with
Rev Studio and Enterprise being not free
for standalone applications...

If you want to practise some open-french, here is the source :
     http://pdf.opensource-magazine.com/

Regards,
Thierry



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 19 11:11:42 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:11:42 -0700
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
Message-ID: <4AB4F4AE.1040004@fourthworld.com>

Thierry wrote:

> Le 19 sept. 09 ? 15:19, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>> Thierry wrote:
>>> Great news from France :-)
>>> This morning, reading a french magazine about Opensource ,
>>> found a short article about RevMedia, RevStudio and Reventerprise !
>>> not very often we can read about Revolution in France and in  
>>> French....
>>
>> ...and even rarer to read about Rev in a venue that focuses on open  
>> source.
> 
> :-)
> 
>> Good to hear - is there an online version of the article?
> 
> No.
> 
> but , really, was only few lines to present mostly revMedia,
> a link to runrev.com, and finish with
> Rev Studio and Enterprise being not free
> for standalone applications...
> 
> If you want to practise some open-french, here is the source :
>      http://pdf.opensource-magazine.com/

My girlfriend is fluent, but my own French is currently quite horrible; 
I can barely read it and can't speak more than a few words (and those 
still come out with that American twang).

But I like to read what I can in Le Monde now and then to practice, and 
reading this open source mag will help my learning a lot.  Thanks for 
the link.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 12:03:56 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:03:56 +0300
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
Message-ID: <4AB500EC.4090804@gmail.com>

As rawKeyDown doesn't pick up
keydowns such as SHIFT on Macintosh
I am thinking of using F keys (specifically F1 and F2)
to state-change in the Beta 2 version of my
Sanskrit typewriter and wonder if using these
2 keys will "make things go all wobbly" on
Windows?


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat Sep 19 13:15:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:15:33 -1000
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <4AB500EC.4090804@gmail.com>
References: <4AB500EC.4090804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101ca394c$cc626a60$65273f20$@com>

Richmond Mathewson:

> As rawKeyDown doesn't pick up
> keydowns such as SHIFT on Macintosh
> I am thinking of using F keys (specifically F1 and F2)
> to state-change in the Beta 2 version of my
> Sanskrit typewriter and wonder if using these
> 2 keys will "make things go all wobbly" on
> Windows?


F1 is universally used by all programs on PC as the Help key, so I wouldn't
use it for any other purpose than to launch your help, as a typical Windows
user would expect this. Other raw function keys have different meanings
depending on keyboard or program. However, to the best of my knowledge,
keystrokes are only sent to the top window. So if your application is the
top window, you can interpret the key any way you want. If your app is not
on top, it won't receive the keystroke.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 13:27:37 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:27:37 +0200
Subject: RevMedia: ca va demenager ( will rock ! )
In-Reply-To: <4AB4F4AE.1040004@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB4F4AE.1040004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E07C33E0-9E53-46D6-9F0F-134231C7BAF5@gmail.com>

Le 19 sept. 09 ? 17:11, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> My girlfriend is fluent, but my own French is currently quite  
> horrible;
> I can barely read it and can't speak more than a few words
> (and those still come out with that American twang).

I know what you mean....
I had 2 weeks ago, a very powerful experience of talking
your English language in front of mainly  english audiance.
I didn't tell them I was french, but I'm sure they all  knew after my  
first sentence.
Luckily, thery were all nice,  which help me a lot... And don't tell  
them,
but few had a very strong Scottish accent...  :-)

> But I like to read what I can in Le Monde now and then to practice,
> and reading this open source mag will help my learning a lot.

May be one day, we could organize a  meeting
in Paris, called "RevParle Francais"  ?

> Thanks for the link.

lurking on their site, I found something which could interest you.
In the main menu on top of page, select GRATUIT,
then you can download one free magazine,
then send a request to redaction at opensource-magazine.com
to receive  a key to be able to read it.... ( protected pdf )

Bonne lecture :-)

Cordialement,
Thierry



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Sep 19 13:58:35 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:58:35 -0500
Subject: Difference between tRev and GLX2?
In-Reply-To: <C246985B-90DF-470F-BA77-A3070AD0AE8A@gmail.com>
References: <C246985B-90DF-470F-BA77-A3070AD0AE8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D590CF9-7388-42BB-A0DF-D7B763DCBD65@me.com>

Todd,

Runtime Revolution had an upgrade coupon for GLX2ers when the product  
was released. It has expired by now.

tRev retail is half the GLX2 license. That's a nice upgrade path.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 18, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Todd Higgins wrote:

> I am seeing a lot of traffic on the list in regards to tRev.  Does  
> that mean the GLX (like Galaxy before it) is now a defunct product?   
> What if any difference is there between the 2 products?  Is there  
> any kind of reasonable upgrade path for a former GLX license holder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Sep 19 14:33:45 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:33:45 -0400
Subject: Support for SQL Server in SQL Yoga
In-Reply-To: <E920BA9E-8B4D-48B5-BDE4-9B3A13129A65@luceatlux.com>
References: <336E155D-47A2-43F8-BA56-151F6DE265A3@mangomultimedia.com>
	<E920BA9E-8B4D-48B5-BDE4-9B3A13129A65@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <AE9845F6-1396-4DAD-A979-FE54EB826543@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:56 AM, George C Brackett wrote:

> The 'download demo' is listed on the page as 1.0.0 build 3 -- is  
> that just a typo?  Is this the page purchasers should look at to  
> find out about new versions?  I'm eager to keep up to date...

I forgot to update the main SQL Yoga page but the download is the  
latest. I usually update the version number of that page but I list  
the change log and any additional comments in the "Latest Version"  
post in the forums (very first post):

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/forums/viewforum.php?id=15>

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 19 14:48:19 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:48:19 -0700
Subject: Difference between tRev and GLX2?
Message-ID: <4AB52773.5060308@fourthworld.com>

Todd Higgins wrote:
> I am seeing a lot of traffic on the list in regards to tRev.  Does  
> that mean the GLX (like Galaxy before it) is now a defunct product?   
> What if any difference is there between the 2 products?  Is there any  
> kind of reasonable upgrade path for a former GLX license holder?

Jerry discusses the differences between the two and a whole lot more in 
this new interview at revJournal we just posted:

<http://www.revjournal.com/interviews/rev-jerry-daniels.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Sep 19 14:57:09 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:57:09 +0200
Subject: Snapshot problems
In-Reply-To: <20090919093016.6A6AE48A97B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090919093016.6A6AE48A97B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D831257C-C250-419F-89DA-E2E9D18AA66D@mac.com>

I suppose it's just finger trouble, but I'm having great difficulty  
using import snapshot and export snapshot - the RunRev docs seem not  
to be completely specific on this. For example, while apparently I can  
take a snapshot of something that isn't open and isn't visible (the  
docs say so!), I don't seem to be able to take a snapshot of an object  
whose loc is outside the visible area. For example I have an image  
which I've placed out of site at 2000,2000 based on a quite small  
stack, say 800 by 600 pixels. I'm used to this technique for hiding  
stuff from the user, and also for working with objects larger than the  
visible area - in this case, I am doing both of these. Now I want to  
tinker with the image. The statement

import snapshot from rect 1375,2592,1749,2625 of this stack

compiles OK but results in an execution error. Experiments seem to  
show that a statement of the same form restricted to the bounds of the  
stack's window work OK.

What I'm actually trying to do is to create a composite image at  
screen resolution, by overlaying images on top of one another and then  
taking a snapshot of the resultant screen area, but all without the  
user seeing anything. My experiments appear to show that I can do it  
while the various objects are visible (in the visible area) but not  
otherwise. Can anyone explain how this could be done?

TIA

Graham


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 19 15:17:40 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:17:40 -0700
Subject: Snapshot problems
Message-ID: <4AB52E54.1070803@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:
> I suppose it's just finger trouble, but I'm having great difficulty  
> using import snapshot and export snapshot - the RunRev docs seem not  
> to be completely specific on this. For example, while apparently I can  
> take a snapshot of something that isn't open and isn't visible (the  
> docs say so!), I don't seem to be able to take a snapshot of an object  
> whose loc is outside the visible area. For example I have an image  
> which I've placed out of site at 2000,2000 based on a quite small  
> stack, say 800 by 600 pixels. I'm used to this technique for hiding  
> stuff from the user, and also for working with objects larger than the  
> visible area - in this case, I am doing both of these. Now I want to  
> tinker with the image. The statement
> 
> import snapshot from rect 1375,2592,1749,2625 of this stack
> 
> compiles OK but results in an execution error. Experiments seem to  
> show that a statement of the same form restricted to the bounds of the  
> stack's window work OK.
> 
> What I'm actually trying to do is to create a composite image at  
> screen resolution, by overlaying images on top of one another and then  
> taking a snapshot of the resultant screen area, but all without the  
> user seeing anything. My experiments appear to show that I can do it  
> while the various objects are visible (in the visible area) but not  
> otherwise. Can anyone explain how this could be done?

The rect option can be useful at times, but since v2.7 we've had a much 
easier and more robust method of exporting images of objects by 
specifying the object itself rather than a rect:

   import snapshot from img "MyImage"

The object needn't be an image; it can be anything other than a stack 
(referencing the card will work for those), even groups.

The big difference is how the image is generated:

Using the rect option  cips a portion of the display buffer, so if your 
image is out of bounds there won't be anything to get.

But using an object reference causes the engine to render the object 
into a private buffer for you, much like it would do when rendering the 
image on a card, and then hands that buffer back to you in the resulting 
image.

In my experience using object references is reliable under a much wider 
range of circumstances than using rects, even with objects on cards that 
aren't open.

This extension to the snapshot syntax was a by-product of the massive 
rendering overhaul Mark Waddingham did for v2.7, and one that's done 
wonders here for making screenshots very easily.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 19 15:21:27 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:21:27 -0700
Subject: Snapshot problems
Message-ID: <4AB52F37.9080708@fourthworld.com>

I forgot to mention another cool feature of using "import snapshot from 
<object>":  because it uses the engine's native object rendering scheme 
rather than merely clipping the display buffer, it renders with 
transparent areas as transparent.

For example, if you import a snapshot of a group of objects, any areas 
between the objects are transparent in the resulting image.

Many cool things can be done with this new option, and it's so much 
simpler to use than keeping track of rects....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Sep 19 15:52:43 2009
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:52:43 -0400
Subject: Snapshot problems
In-Reply-To: <D831257C-C250-419F-89DA-E2E9D18AA66D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E8F4A76A.BD72.428F.8A1F.9B5F3C5F700C@aol.com>

Can you lock the screen, place the stack back inside, take the snapshot, and then put the stack outside again?

Craig Newman

On Sep 19, 2009, at 2:57:09 PM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
From:   "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com>
Subject:    Snapshot problems
Date:   September 19, 2009 2:57:09 PM EDT
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
I suppose it's just finger trouble, but I'm having great difficulty?
using import snapshot and export snapshot - the RunRev docs seem not?
to be completely specific on this. For example, while apparently I can?
take a snapshot of something that isn't open and isn't visible (the?
docs say so!), I don't seem to be able to take a snapshot of an object?
whose loc is outside the visible area. For example I have an image?
which I've placed out of site at 2000,2000 based on a quite small?
stack, say 800 by 600 pixels. I'm used to this technique for hiding?
stuff from the user, and also for working with objects larger than the?
visible area - in this case, I am doing both of these. Now I want to?
tinker with the image. The statement

import snapshot from rect 1375,2592,1749,2625 of this stack

compiles OK but results in an execution error. Experiments seem to?
show that a statement of the same form restricted to the bounds of the?
stack's window work OK.

What I'm actually trying to do is to create a composite image at?
screen resolution, by overlaying images on top of one another and then?
taking a snapshot of the resultant screen area, but all without the?
user seeing anything. My experiments appear to show that I can do it?
while the various objects are visible (in the visible area) but not?
otherwise. Can anyone explain how this could be done?

TIA

Graham
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From sakari at neurocard.fi  Sat Sep 19 17:21:43 2009
From: sakari at neurocard.fi (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:21:43 +0300
Subject: connect Oracle DB
Message-ID: <4AB54B67.1000901@neurocard.fi>

Hi people,

just upgraded studio to enterprise so I could develop a GUI for Oracle 
DB. Now I'm having troubles connecting to it. When I use 
revOpenDatabase("oracle", "localhost", "ORCL", "sakari", "test") "ORCL" 
being the SID I get the following error: 'revdberr,invalid database 
type'. Anyone ever managed to connect Oracle with Rev, since I did not 
find any decent article about it and the documentation is real bad when 
it comes to connecting Oracle?

Sakari Ruoho
Software Engineer
sakari.ruoho at neurocard.fi



From jrosat at mac.com  Sat Sep 19 19:20:40 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:20:40 +0200
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
Message-ID: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>

Hi all,

Is it possible to use socket commands and functions in a .irev script  
on a on-rev serveur ?

Thanks.

J?r?me

From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 20:16:18 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:16:18 +1000
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:20 AM, J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to use socket commands and functions in a .irev script on a
> on-rev serveur ?


I just tested it and you can see the script & the result at
<http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/various.irev>.
Trying to open a socket doesn't give an error but it doesn't seem to
do anything.
Trying with a callback doesn't trigger the callback either, it's like
the open socket command just disappears.
The docs list "open socket" as being available for desktop, server &
web, but the functionality isn't there. Maybe this is temporary.

Cheers,
Sarah


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Sep 20 06:44:57 2009
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:44:57 +0100
Subject: Quicky: what's the name of the property to find out if a stack is 
	protected?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909200344p57c3ff1dvd96acd6b126f3269@mail.gmail.com>

Can't find protected in the dictionary :)


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 07:09:23 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:09:23 +1000
Subject: Quicky: what's the name of the property to find out if a stack
	is protected?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909200344p57c3ff1dvd96acd6b126f3269@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909200344p57c3ff1dvd96acd6b126f3269@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909200409i2bde3e44j31b9c7ea7e6bfe63@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> Can't find protected in the dictionary :)

How about:

   if the password of this stack is not empty then
      -- stack is protected
   end if


Cheers,
Sarah


From rev at splash21.com  Sun Sep 20 08:11:38 2009
From: rev at splash21.com (splash21)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:11:38 +0100
Subject: Want to Try Franklin 3D - 3D Engine for Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <D60F1A569F9D44ADB871D6DE12A4A2A9@GATEWAY>
References: <D60F1A569F9D44ADB871D6DE12A4A2A9@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4AB61BFA.2020301@splash21.com>

Lynn, the demo stack is very slick! 


Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Anyone interested in a solid 3D game engine for Revolution? :-) This is
> getting good enough to show, so we thought we'd show it.
>
> Thanks to everyone who downloaded the initial beta. Id like to let everyone
> know that they can download the beta stack/component, and we've set up an
> install of Mantis to accept bug/issue reports. This is the same material,
> and its Windows only at the moment. But don't fret, we have a Mac OS X
> version in the works. Of course on the Mac, you have OpenGL (on Windows,
> OpenGL or DirectX).
>
> If you already did some testing, we'd appreciate it if you would fill in the
> mantis reports - the download is version 1.0b2. It is very important that
> you update your video drivers and also submit your video card info, OS,
> processor info and the like, esp when it comes to performance.
>
> This is a stack with about 12 demos in it. Most are working just fine on
> Windows XP with a reasonably modern Direct X 9 compatible video card, as
> well as OpenGL. The Irrlicht file format loader seems to be still giving us
> some trouble but its being worked on. These are all based on the Irrlicht
> demos. The demos do a bit more than their names imply. The Hello World
> example shows things like loading an animated mesh, for example. The Mesh
> loader example gives you some idea how call backs work.
>
> Download: http://www.franklin3d.com/download/franklin3d_win.zip
>
> Report Issues: http://www.franklin3d.com/bt
>
> What is Franklin 3D?
> -----------------------
> Franklin 3D ports the stable, muscular Irrlicht engine so that its
> accessible within Runtime Revolution. You will be able to make OpenGL or
> DirectX powered games.
>
> Where to Learn More
> -----------------------
> The website is just coming together, here: http://franklin3d.com/. It will
> be more polished over the next few days.
>
> Where Can I Buy it?
> -----------------------
> You can pre-order it from the franklin3d.com online store. Anyone who
> pre-orders gets a license right away, plus 12 months of updates (or more,
> "founders" we may fudge on and give more update time). All our initial sales
> go towards paying developers to polish up and complete the Mac OS X version.
> All pre-orders folks get access to the private beta list too.
>
> I can answer some questions on the list - feel free.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Mirye Software Publishing
> http://www.mirye.com
>
> Mirye Community NING
> http://miryesoftware.ning.com 
>
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From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 08:40:56 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:40:56 +0200
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283310C3-C0DD-4217-BA9A-58E504817761@mac.com>

Sarah,

Thank you for your confirmation. I tried myself and I found the same  
results.

I believed it was me and my script.

But I remain interrogative.

Which solution is implemented by developer  to transfer a significant  
amount of data (approximately 100 ' 000 records) between the client  
app and a server app on on-rev?

J?r?me

Le 20 sept. 2009 ? 02:16, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:20 AM, J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is it possible to use socket commands and functions in a .irev  
>> script on a
>> on-rev serveur ?
>
>
> I just tested it and you can see the script & the result at
> <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/various.irev>.
> Trying to open a socket doesn't give an error but it doesn't seem to
> do anything.
> Trying with a callback doesn't trigger the callback either, it's like
> the open socket command just disappears.
> The docs list "open socket" as being available for desktop, server &
> web, but the functionality isn't there. Maybe this is temporary.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Sep 20 09:31:10 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:31:10 -1000
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <283310C3-C0DD-4217-BA9A-58E504817761@mac.com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>	<f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
	<283310C3-C0DD-4217-BA9A-58E504817761@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004401ca39f6$9e40b7e0$dac227a0$@com>

J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> Which solution is implemented by developer  to transfer a significant
> amount of data (approximately 100 ' 000 records) between the client
> app and a server app on on-rev?

Start from the client side. Use can use *post* (look this up in the
Dictionary and also the "See Also" for post). With this you could upload
data to an irev script on the server or request the irev script to download
data to the desktop app. Also, look up all the libURL... commands for
transferring data to and from a server and the *load* command and it's
callback for monitoring progress.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 20 09:55:26 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:55:26 -0700
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5E6D514-B097-47C0-8183-23517E9E8196@yahoo.com>

On Sep 19, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:20 AM, J?r?me Rosat <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is it possible to use socket commands and functions in a .irev  
>> script on a
>> on-rev serveur ?
>
>
> I just tested it and you can see the script & the result at
> <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/various.irev>.
> Trying to open a socket doesn't give an error but it doesn't seem to
> do anything.
> Trying with a callback doesn't trigger the callback either, it's like
> the open socket command just disappears.
> The docs list "open socket" as being available for desktop, server &
> web, but the functionality isn't there. Maybe this is temporary.

Programs and scripts running on a web server are running under Apache,  
which has environment variables set when it loads.  I don't know of a  
way that a process running in Apache can open and close sockets  
between processes.  Opening and using sockets to the network is done  
all the time.

Jim Bufalini correctly mentions the POST command as a way of using  
port 80, a default for Apache.
I think you would have to modify the httpd.conf file and tell Apache  
to listen on those ports.
One catch to this is that any program or script that is opened in  
Apache would be working with that port.

One serious difficulty with this is that Apache will launch a script,  
run it, then clear that memory.  The next request starts a new  
instance of the script.  This is how multiple users can access the  
same 'web page' and see it as their own session.  The process in  
Apache dies after the page is sent to the browser, thus there is no  
running program in Apache to receive the packets sent.

Basically, everything on a web server is accessed by telling Apache  
what you want and how you want it.

I would like to learn more about On-Rev surprising features and  
limitations so feel free to jump in if my comments are not telling the  
whole story.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 11:00:28 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:00:28 +0200
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <004401ca39f6$9e40b7e0$dac227a0$@com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
	<283310C3-C0DD-4217-BA9A-58E504817761@mac.com>
	<004401ca39f6$9e40b7e0$dac227a0$@com>
Message-ID: <F6E097DD-4FF1-46F7-80ED-127BAA4F1D17@mac.com>


Le 20 sept. 2009 ? 15:31, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>
>> Which solution is implemented by developer  to transfer a significant
>> amount of data (approximately 100 ' 000 records) between the client
>> app and a server app on on-rev?
>
> Start from the client side. Use can use *post* (look this up in the
> Dictionary and also the "See Also" for post).

I started by using the command ?post? but I encountered problems to  
recover the entirety of the data. So I look in the "See Also"  
paragraph to find a other way to solve my problem and I imagined ?to  
push? the data, it's for that I try to use socket commands and  
functions.

> With this you could upload
> data to an irev script on the server or request the irev script to  
> download
> data to the desktop app. Also, look up all the libURL... commands for
> transferring data to and from a server and the *load* command and it's
> callback for monitoring progress.

I'm going to do that. Thanks a lot.

>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 20 11:21:07 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:21:07 -0700
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
Message-ID: <4AB64863.7030603@fourthworld.com>

J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> I started by using the command ?post? but I encountered problems to  
> recover the entirety of the data.

Did you use a FileUpload object for that?

Most web hosts provide dropbox CGIs, and at their heart they're just a 
FileUpload object in a form using POST.  Given how commonly such dropbox 
CGIs work well, I would guess that any limitations a server might put on 
POST for some form elements are allowed for the FileUpload object.

<http://www.w3schools.com/HTMLDOM/dom_obj_fileupload.asp>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Sep 20 11:43:30 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:43:30 -0400
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Message-ID: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>

Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and  
feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:

setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag  
(boolean)
setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window

Screen capture of a modified title bar:
http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png


-- 
Shao Sean
http://www.RevDevelop.com/


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 20 12:19:39 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:19:39 +0200
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4252AD44-3846-4301-AE10-6F9A1DC7F6DE@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Sean,

> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and  
> feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag  
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png

Cool! Consider me teased :-)

> -- 
> Shao Sean
> http://www.RevDevelop.com/

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From paul.foraker at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 12:32:38 2009
From: paul.foraker at gmail.com (Paul Foraker)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:32:38 -0700
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <df1a206b0909200932x4a0bb654idf5abf3daf68a899@mail.gmail.com>

I keep hoping for

  set the style of this stack to cocoa

-- Paul


On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:

> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel
> more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png
>
>


From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 12:50:38 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:50:38 +0200
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>

Great,

It is the right track. There are still others improvement to bring so  
that Rev applications look and feel more like Mac OS X applications.  
For example, tool bars, gradient buttons, button and field with the  
default Mac OS X font, size and position, etc. In a word, this would  
be great if Rev applications respected the Apple Human Interface  
Guidelines.


Le 20 sept. 2009 ? 17:43, Shao Sean a ?crit :

> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and  
> feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag  
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png
>
>
> -- 
> Shao Sean
> http://www.RevDevelop.com/
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Sep 20 12:57:07 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:57:07 -0400
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Message-ID: <68BF7D30-C9C3-496F-9DA4-A8E11681CE55@wehostmacs.com>

> For example, tool bars, gradient buttons,
am looking into this, but my skillz are not mad (even though i am ;-)

> button and field with the default Mac OS X font, size and position
Set your stack to have the font Lucinda Grande, size 13.. Set your  
buttons to have a height of 22 pixels.. There are probably other  
tweaks to be made but that is a start in the right direction..


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sun Sep 20 13:25:41 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:25:41 +0200
Subject: I need to blink and carry on !
Message-ID: <5D0B922A-954D-4DD0-A50E-8AD17CE1A60C@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

Way back in the good old days, on a 3270
monitor, we could blink any line. Very useful !

I want to blink an error message, to bring
it to the attention of the user, but I don't
want to stop the execution of the current
script.

How would I go about this ?

-Francis




From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 13:26:16 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:26:16 +0200
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <68BF7D30-C9C3-496F-9DA4-A8E11681CE55@wehostmacs.com>
References: <68BF7D30-C9C3-496F-9DA4-A8E11681CE55@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <FE803E3B-9446-4858-A09B-F7CFD55983E9@mac.com>


Le 20 sept. 2009 ? 18:57, Shao Sean a ?crit :

>> For example, tool bars, gradient buttons,
> am looking into this, but my skillz are not mad (even though i am ;-)

Don't be so modest :-)

>> button and field with the default Mac OS X font, size and position
> Set your stack to have the font Lucinda Grande, size 13.. Set your  
> buttons to have a height of 22 pixels.. There are probably other  
> tweaks to be made but that is a start in the right direction..

This is what I do but after that you must take account of the platform  
in your code to change font, size, etc. and for an application  
(Revolution) which wants to be easy and cross platform, that beats  
me ! :-)

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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 13:27:28 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:27:28 +0100
Subject: Quicky: what's the name of the property to find out if a stack
	is protected?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909200409i2bde3e44j31b9c7ea7e6bfe63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909200344p57c3ff1dvd96acd6b126f3269@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909200409i2bde3e44j31b9c7ea7e6bfe63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909201027m42ea5661nc6eaabdb92be7ba0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks :)

2009/9/20 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>

> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
> wrote:
> > Can't find protected in the dictionary :)
>
> How about:
>
>   if the password of this stack is not empty then
>      -- stack is protected
>   end if
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 20 13:33:07 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:33:07 -0700
Subject: I need to blink and carry on !
In-Reply-To: <5D0B922A-954D-4DD0-A50E-8AD17CE1A60C@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5D0B922A-954D-4DD0-A50E-8AD17CE1A60C@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909201033l712ea6e7v1d996f93eda002a8@mail.gmail.com>

send in time
get Dar Scott's stack that demonstrates Message Mechanics

http://pages.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/20 Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr>

> Hi from Paris,
>
> Way back in the good old days, on a 3270
> monitor, we could blink any line. Very useful !
>
> I want to blink an error message, to bring
> it to the attention of the user, but I don't
> want to stop the execution of the current
> script.
>
> How would I go about this ?
>
> -Francis
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 13:53:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:53:51 +0300
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4AB66C2F.9090606@gmail.com>

Shao Sean wrote:
> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and 
> feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag 
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png
>
>
My God; I thought I was past being teased by dirty documents.

BUT:

Tell me more!


From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 14:02:30 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:02:30 +0200
Subject: Snapshot problems
In-Reply-To: <20090920170004.5BD7548AA08@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090920170004.5BD7548AA08@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9A8AD40D-B9EE-436E-98F8-4EEA5F6E3933@mac.com>

Thanks to all who replied. I think my immediate problem was trying to  
get stuff from a rectangle that extended beyond the actual rendered  
area, as Richard mentions: this causes an 'Execution Error' with no  
further detail, so it's hard to know what has gone wrong - but finger  
trouble, essentially.

However Richard your other point:

> The rect option can be useful at times, but since v2.7 we've had a  
> much
> easier and more robust method of exporting images of objects by
> specifying the object itself rather than a rect:
>
>   import snapshot from img "MyImage"
>
> The object needn't be an image; it can be anything other than a stack
> (referencing the card will work for those), even groups.
>
> The big difference is how the image is generated:
>
> Using the rect option  cips a portion of the display buffer, so if  
> your
> image is out of bounds there won't be anything to get.
>
> But using an object reference causes the engine to render the object
> into a private buffer for you, much like it would do when rendering  
> the
> image on a card, and then hands that buffer back to you in the  
> resulting
> image.
>
> In my experience using object references is reliable under a much  
> wider
> range of circumstances than using rects, even with objects on cards  
> that
> aren't open.
>
> This extension to the snapshot syntax was a by-product of the massive
> rendering overhaul Mark Waddingham did for v2.7, and one that's done
> wonders here for making screenshots very easily.
>
Is not so easy to follow if you're trying to build up a composite  
image: say for the sake of argument one has a picture (an image)  
occupying some part of a card, and one imposes on top of it another  
image, with the intention of snapshotting the combined image so as to  
create a new picture that can be exported: it might be a jpg of a  
membership card with the member's picture imposed on it, or something  
like that. Then if I import a snapshot of my background image (the  
card design), won't  my foreground image (the member's picture) be  
ignored? That's how I read the docs - so what I did in the end was to  
use a rect based on the background image, something like:

import snapshot from rect (the rect of of img "MembershipCard")

This worked, but it appeared to me that I had to have a window (card,  
stack) as big as the whole background image if nothing is to be  
clipped, which was inconvenient.

Anyway I have cracked it, but I don't think the docs tell you all the  
ins and outs - and IMHO there aren't enough examples.

Thanks again

Graham



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun Sep 20 14:08:24 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:08:24 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Major update for tRev now available
Message-ID: <67FC4BD1-6471-4D84-8588-2458618E9A80@me.com>

tRev users,

The features you watched on the Feature Friday video have now been  
released.

Three new features:

- Auto-complete within Raptor Handlers (def., special tRev block  
comments)!
- Auto-complete custom properties in any handler (includes Raptor  
handlers)!
- Select Structure lets you find the beginning & end of any structure.

But wait, there's more!

     http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-sept-18-select-structures

Read all about the extra features, enhancements and fixes at the above  
link.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 14:09:47 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:09:47 -0700
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <83102138-A46A-4DAA-A077-4076A5AA9372@mac.com>

Shao,

Fantastic.

Bill Vlahos

On Sep 20, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Shao Sean wrote:

> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and  
> feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag  
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png
>
>
> -- 
> Shao Sean
> http://www.RevDevelop.com/
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 20 14:11:08 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:11:08 -0700
Subject: I need to blink and carry on !
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909201033l712ea6e7v1d996f93eda002a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5D0B922A-954D-4DD0-A50E-8AD17CE1A60C@wanadoo.fr>
	<e5e009d70909201033l712ea6e7v1d996f93eda002a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9A907AD-184E-4C4D-B121-54836281E510@yahoo.com>


> On Sep 20, 2009, at 10:33 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> send in time
>> get Dar Scott's stack that demonstrates Message Mechanics
>>
>> http://pages.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/20 Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr>
>>
>>> Hi from Paris,
>>>
>>> Way back in the good old days, on a 3270
>>> monitor, we could blink any line. Very useful !
>>>
>>> I want to blink an error message, to bring
>>> it to the attention of the user, but I don't
>>> want to stop the execution of the current
>>> script.
>>>
>>> How would I go about this ?
-------------------------------------------------------
In Rev, many thing run faster if the
screen lock is true and the
lock messages is true

Try
lock messages -- unless you need this
lock screen
repeat many steps
add 1 to processCount
if the processCount > 50 then
unlock screen --allow an update
set the hilite of something to false
lock screen
set the hilite of something to true --for next time
put 0 into processCount
end if
end repeat

---
Also look at a second compiled app that doest the blinking blinking.
It will run as a separate process in RAM and cpu thread


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 14:32:42 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:32:42 +0200
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <E5E6D514-B097-47C0-8183-23517E9E8196@yahoo.com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>
	<E5E6D514-B097-47C0-8183-23517E9E8196@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17585916-A64B-4147-9747-0EAE101574C5@mac.com>


Le 20 sept. 2009 ? 15:55, Jim Ault a ?crit :
>
> Programs and scripts running on a web server are running under  
> Apache, which has environment variables set when it loads.  I don't  
> know of a way that a process running in Apache can open and close  
> sockets between processes.  Opening and using sockets to the network  
> is done all the time.
>
> Jim Bufalini correctly mentions the POST command as a way of using  
> port 80, a default for Apache.
> I think you would have to modify the httpd.conf file and tell Apache  
> to listen on those ports.
> One catch to this is that any program or script that is opened in  
> Apache would be working with that port.

I am not certain that it is possible to modify this file in an one-rev  
account.

>
> One serious difficulty with this is that Apache will launch a  
> script, run it, then clear that memory.  The next request starts a  
> new instance of the script.  This is how multiple users can access  
> the same 'web page' and see it as their own session.  The process in  
> Apache dies after the page is sent to the browser, thus there is no  
> running program in Apache to receive the packets sent.

I believed naively that a script .irev behaved like a stack and  
"persist" in memory. I conclude that a .irev with an on-rev web  
account does nothing more than a "ordinary" hosting account  with  
Revolution CGIs.

>
> Basically, everything on a web server is accessed by telling Apache  
> what you want and how you want it.
>
> I would like to learn more about On-Rev surprising features and  
> limitations so feel free to jump in if my comments are not telling  
> the whole story.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 20 14:36:03 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:36:03 -0700
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Message-ID: <4AB67613.2010001@fourthworld.com>

Shao Sean wrote:

> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and  
> feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
> 
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag  
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
> 
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png

Most excellent!  This will serve very well until/unless RunRev gets 
around to that sort of fit-and-finish in the enfgine.  Good job.

Where/when/how do we get it?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 20 14:41:13 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:41:13 -0700
Subject: Quicky: what's the name of the property to find out if a stack
 is protected?
Message-ID: <4AB67749.3040106@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>> Can't find protected in the dictionary :)
> 
> How about:
> 
>    if the password of this stack is not empty then
>       -- stack is protected
>    end if
> 

If the intended use is in the IDE, it may be helpful to distinguish 
which of the stack that have a password set are currently unlocked. If 
David needs that he can use:

  if the password of stack tStack <> the passKey of stack tStack then ....

password = the encrypted string stored in the stack as the flag to 
determine if it will encrypt its scripts and properties when it writes 
the stackfile to disk

passkey  = what the developer enters in development to be able to edit 
scripts, active only so long as the stack is in memory


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 20 14:48:14 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:48:14 -0700
Subject: Snapshot problems
Message-ID: <4AB678EE.4060304@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

 > However Richard your other point:
 >
 >> The rect option can be useful at times, but since v2.7 we've had a
 >> much easier and more robust method of exporting images of objects
 >> by specifying the object itself rather than a rect:
 >>
 >>   import snapshot from img "MyImage"
 >>
 >> The object needn't be an image; it can be anything other than a stack
 >> (referencing the card will work for those), even groups.
 >>
 >> The big difference is how the image is generated:
 >>
 >> Using the rect option  cips a portion of the display buffer, so if
 >> your image is out of bounds there won't be anything to get.
 >>
 >> But using an object reference causes the engine to render the object
 >> into a private buffer for you, much like it would do when rendering
 >> the image on a card, and then hands that buffer back to you in the
 >> resulting image.
...
 > Is not so easy to follow if you're trying to build up a composite
 > image: say for the sake of argument one has a picture (an image)
 > occupying some part of a card, and one imposes on top of it another
 > image, with the intention of snapshotting the combined image so as to
 > create a new picture that can be exported: it might be a jpg of a
 > membership card with the member's picture imposed on it, or something
 > like that. Then if I import a snapshot of my background image (the
 > card design), won't  my foreground image (the member's picture) be
 > ignored? That's how I read the docs - so what I did in the end was to
 > use a rect based on the background image, something like:
 >
 > import snapshot from rect (the rect of of img "MembershipCard")
 >
 > This worked, but it appeared to me that I had to have a window (card,
 > stack) as big as the whole background image if nothing is to be
 > clipped, which was inconvenient.

If you can put the objects you want into a group, this needn't affect 
anything in your user experience and requires only small changes to your 
script, but would let you use the robust one-liner to get the snapshot 
of the group image even if outside of the clipping region of the window:

  import snapshot from grp "MyCompositeThang"

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
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  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com




From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 15:02:56 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?windows-1252?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:02:56 +0200
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <4AB64863.7030603@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB64863.7030603@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0E3C4C2B-FB22-4391-AC4E-ABCEBA481B54@mac.com>


Le 20 sept. 2009 ? 17:21, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

>> I started by using the command ?post? but I encountered problems  
>> to  recover the entirety of the data.
>
> Did you use a FileUpload object for that?
>
No. I'm going to try.

> Most web hosts provide dropbox CGIs, and at their heart they're just  
> a FileUpload object in a form using POST.  Given how commonly such  
> dropbox CGIs work well, I would guess that any limitations a server  
> might put on POST for some form elements are allowed for the  
> FileUpload object.
>
> <http://www.w3schools.com/HTMLDOM/dom_obj_fileupload.asp>
>

Thanks for the link.

> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From arthur.rann at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 15:30:17 2009
From: arthur.rann at gmail.com (Arthur Rann)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:30:17 -0500
Subject: Full screen?
Message-ID: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
How do I make my RR stack run full screen? I don't want to stretch things to
meet the screen, I want to enter a 'full screen mode' like most video games
do, where it temporarily sets the user's monitor resolution to 1024x768 or
something like that.

Thank you !
-Art


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 15:33:16 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:33:16 +0300
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB6837C.2030103@gmail.com>

Arthur Rann wrote:
> Hi,
> How do I make my RR stack run full screen? I don't want to stretch things to
> meet the screen, I want to enter a 'full screen mode' like most video games
> do, where it temporarily sets the user's monitor resolution to 1024x768 or
> something like that.
>
> Thank you !
> -Art
> _______________________________________________
>   
You cannot use Runtime Revolution to muck about with people's
monitor settings.


From edljr at mac.com  Sun Sep 20 15:43:19 2009
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:43:19 -0500
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C28F76FA-8EE0-4380-918B-0B0220E2FDF5@mac.com>

When I want to simulate this, I use the "set backDrop to <color>"  
command.


On Sep 20, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Arthur Rann wrote:

> Hi,
> How do I make my RR stack run full screen? I don't want to stretch  
> things to
> meet the screen, I want to enter a 'full screen mode' like most  
> video games
> do, where it temporarily sets the user's monitor resolution to  
> 1024x768 or
> something like that.
>
> Thank you !
> -Art
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 20 15:52:26 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:52:26 -0700
Subject: convert oddity
Message-ID: <4AB687FA.4070104@fourthworld.com>

I have a CGI which stores dates using internet date format.

In one of my CGI routines I use the convert command to reformat the date 
into a more user-friendly form:

     convert tTimeStamp to long date and short time

The oddity is that the convert command running on the server shows the 
time portion as 8 hours ahead of the value in the original timestamp.

I've also used seconds instead of the internet date, with the same result.

I've verified that the CGI is storing the correct timestamp, and when I 
run the same convert on my local machine it always converts correctly.

Is there something odd about using the convert command in a CGI that I 
don't know about?

FWIW, I'm not using the useSystemDate, and since the server is in my 
time zone that shouldn't affect it anyway.

What am I missing?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 20 16:13:37 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:13:37 -0700
Subject: convert oddity - solved!
Message-ID: <4AB68CF1.3080209@fourthworld.com>

Found the culprit:

When I had first set up that server I was just using the most current 
engine I had available to me, which was 2.9-dp5.  I updated the CGI 
engine there to v3.5 and now the problem is resolved, everything 
converts as expected.

Lesson learned:  if you find unexpected behavior, make sure you're using 
a release version and not a developer preview version. ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Sun Sep 20 16:37:40 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:37:40 +0200
Subject: close a DataGrid
Message-ID: <B7A3934C-1A85-49DA-899F-3ABF8FEA8DE8@gmx.net>

I want to close an open cell (field) in a datagrid

dispatch "CloseFieldEditor" to grp "DataGrid 1"     -- does not work.

This does not work either :
put the long id of the target into tFieldEditor       -- the target  
being that field
  dispatch "CloseFieldEditor" to grp "dataGrid 1"  with tFieldEditor

I don't seem to find how to do it in the manuals and the older  
postings in this group.

Thanks,

Beat Cornaz

From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Sep 20 16:47:29 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:47:29 -1000
Subject: How to use socket commands and function in a .irev script
In-Reply-To: <17585916-A64B-4147-9747-0EAE101574C5@mac.com>
References: <7F447889-DCA8-46BD-9AFC-463EE85FFB1A@mac.com>	<f99b52860909191716m1e1708a4i6473f6019a7b2115@mail.gmail.com>	<E5E6D514-B097-47C0-8183-23517E9E8196@yahoo.com>
	<17585916-A64B-4147-9747-0EAE101574C5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005101ca3a33$9260c900$b7225b00$@com>

J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> I believed naively that a script .irev behaved like a stack and
> "persist" in memory. I conclude that a .irev with an on-rev web
> account does nothing more than a "ordinary" hosting account  with
> Revolution CGIs.

This is 100% correct and should always be kept in mind. So if you POST to an
irev script, it is identical to posting to a rev CGI or any other CGI, for
that matter. The irev script only persists in the server memory for as long
as it runs and then it is gone, along with all of its vars, settings, etc.
The main advantages of using irev on On-Rev instead of rev CGI is you don't
have to set anything up to use irev like you have to do with rev CGI and you
can debug the irev script in real time while it is running on the server.
Other than that, and for the purposes you are using an irev script for
uploading and downloading data, think of the two as identical.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Sep 20 16:53:48 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:53:48 -1000
Subject: convert oddity - solved!
In-Reply-To: <4AB68CF1.3080209@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB68CF1.3080209@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <005201ca3a34$7415da20$5c418e60$@com>

Hi Richard,

> Found the culprit:
> 
> When I had first set up that server I was just using the most current
> engine I had available to me, which was 2.9-dp5.  I updated the CGI
> engine there to v3.5 and now the problem is resolved, everything
> converts as expected.
> 
> Lesson learned:  if you find unexpected behavior, make sure you're
> using
> a release version and not a developer preview version. ;)

I'm glad you figured that out because I was going to suggest if you had
remembered time-zone differences, when I got to the last line of your post,
which said you were in the same time-zone, which then left me without a clue
of what to even suggest to look at. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Sun Sep 20 16:56:12 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:56:12 +0200
Subject: tab for next cell in DataGrid
Message-ID: <2F342B0E-5324-4192-80AF-7EC0CF2B3A26@gmx.net>

Hi,

I repacked an application into the GLX framework and made new  
datagrids. Now the TAB button does not move from an open cell  to the  
next cell and open it anymore, as it did in my older copy (pre GLX  
framework of this application).  How can I get that behavior back?  
The Tab now closes the open cell and that's it.

Thanks for any help,

Best,

Beat Cornaz



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 17:54:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:54:08 +0300
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <C28F76FA-8EE0-4380-918B-0B0220E2FDF5@mac.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
	<C28F76FA-8EE0-4380-918B-0B0220E2FDF5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AB6A480.3060302@gmail.com>

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
> When I want to simulate this, I use the "set backDrop to <color>" 
> command.
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Arthur Rann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> How do I make my RR stack run full screen? I don't want to stretch 
>> things to
>> meet the screen, I want to enter a 'full screen mode' like most video 
>> games
>> do, where it temporarily sets the user's monitor resolution to 
>> 1024x768 or
>> something like that.
>>
>> Thank you !
>> -Art
>> _______________________________________________
The built-in Backdrop is awful insofar if an end-user clicks on it there is
every chance your stack will relayer to behind the backdrop.

If you wish to use a backdrop that behaves the way it should download
this:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/Backdrop-O-Matic.rev.zip

and adapt it to your needs.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 19:32:54 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:32:54 +1000
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909201632l696d5ce5j6e06d9cacb58c1d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel
> more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png


Awesome - that's been on my wish list for ages.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 19:36:15 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:36:15 +1000
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>

> It is the right track. There are still others improvement to bring so that
> Rev applications look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. For example,
> tool bars, gradient buttons, button and field with the default Mac OS X
> font, size and position, etc. In a word, this would be great if Rev
> applications respected the Apple Human Interface Guidelines.

This is the price we pay for using a cross-platform tool.
However you can set the font and with the new graphic effects, you can
make gradient buttons.
Tool bars are easy enough to make yourself, although allowing the
standard customization would be a neat trick which I have never
bothered with. (I never have enough options to need it.)

Then you start running into the same issues that Rev has i.e. if you
make your app look too much like a standard Mac app, then it won't
look like a Windows app for Windows users, without a lot of effort on
your part. I think this is what profiles are good for, but I never
really got into using profiles.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 20 22:06:50 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:06:50 -0700
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:36:15 PM, you wrote:

> your part. I think this is what profiles are good for, but I never
> really got into using profiles.

Yeah - me neither. Had some thoughts about it but never really
bothered.

So I'm curious... does anyone use profiles, and if so, what for?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Sep 20 22:31:16 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:31:16 -0400
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7021358E-7649-401E-B13F-B9F6C3F85976@all-auctions.com>

Hi Arthur,

Use the screenRect function to find out the available screen sizes and  
to scale windows to the size of the screen.

Examples from the dictionary:
the screenRect
set the rect of this stack to line 2 of the working screenRects

I also found:

Use the revChangeWindowSize command to change the size of a stack  
while leaving its top left corner in place, with optional animation  
effects.

Examples:

revChangeWindowSize 100,120
revChangeWindowSize the width of stack "Template",200,"slide"
revChangeWindowSize myWidth,myHeight,"snap",1 -- displays card 1
revChangeWindowSize 200,250,"slide",,500 -- slides over 1/2 second

And the following I also found to be very interesting:

Use the systemWindow property to create a stack that can be used as a  
systemwide utility, available in all applications.

Value:
The systemWindow property of a stack is true or false. By default, the  
systemWindow of a newly created stack is set to false.

The systemWindow property makes a window float above all running  
applications.

Examples:
set the systemWindow of stack "Magnifier" to true
set the systemWindow of the target to false

I hope this helps!

Rick

On Sep 20, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Arthur Rann wrote:

> Hi,
> How do I make my RR stack run full screen? I don't want to stretch  
> things to
> meet the screen, I want to enter a 'full screen mode' like most  
> video games
> do, where it temporarily sets the user's monitor resolution to  
> 1024x768 or
> something like that.
>
> Thank you !
> -Art





From arthur.rann at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 01:46:06 2009
From: arthur.rann at gmail.com (Arthur Rann)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:46:06 -0500
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <7021358E-7649-401E-B13F-B9F6C3F85976@all-auctions.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
	<7021358E-7649-401E-B13F-B9F6C3F85976@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <64bccb0c0909202246r4ab1b49bh51fd28523f13e701@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
So let me get this straight because I need to take this back with me to the
dev team. You're saying that there's no built in way to actually go full
screen, like most games do? I admit I don't know much about programming, but
I decided on Rev for a game engine, and this is a pretty big deal. Without a
full screen mode, this is going to look like crap. I mean no game out there
now has just windows floating on a backdrop. And I mean no offense at the
backdrop, Richmond. While I was able to make the window disappear by
clicking on the backdrop, it would at least reappear with yours. RunRev's
backdrop got stuck in front as you pointed out. So this email has already
paid off because I couldn't figure out how to make RRs backdrop stay in the
right damn place.

Edward, that's what we're doing now, but the RR backdrop window 'stuck' in
front of our actual game for awhile and it just threw us for a big damn
loop.

Richmond, every game on the market has a full screen mode. In OpenGL, I hear
that you can 'request' full screen mode, and it will set the resolution back
when your app is done. I know this is one of the things from DrawSprockets
that Apple brought forward to OSX as well. I don't know what API to use for
that on Windows. But it's absolutely silly that this very basic concept
found in all professional video games and kiosk software isn't even possible
in RR, since it seems perfect for making games and kiosk software. I'm not
trying to permanently change their settings, that's the whole point behind
these APIs that Apple put in place (and have had in place for over 10 years
now). They're for games to let the dev set the screen to a certain res, but
still let the user command+tab out, and then have your icons stay in the
right places.

I bet I could do this with an AppleScript, so that's my next test...

Thanks for the info though. And Richmond I'll be using your script if I cant
make this work with OSX's native capabilities.

Hey do you know if SuperCard externals run in RR? This guy Chilton wrote an
external for us a long time ago that did that and I just tried it in SC 4.5
and it still works in Snow Leopard. If those externals work in RR, I could
use that. OR I could include a SuperCard app in the RR bundle, and run that,
to force the RR game into full screen mode. OOh I'll try that too.

Thx,
-Art


From arthur.rann at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 02:27:19 2009
From: arthur.rann at gmail.com (Arthur Rann)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:27:19 -0500
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I thought RR was being touted as the evolution of HyperCard? I have a hard
time believing the dirty flag isn't supported natively. Are you saying it's
not???

Look, I have a ton of cross-platform apps on my drive, but all of them use
the dirty red button to indicate that the file has been touched. This is the
kind of basic Mac OS X thing that RR should be putting in their
product. Doesn't anyone hold RR to task over Mac OS Interface?

-Art


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Sep 21 02:34:29 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:34:29 +0200
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <6730C4BB-2BEC-4B08-AB6A-8BAD7D301DA6@numericable.com>

YES ! YES ! YES !
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 20 sept. 09 ? 17:43, Shao Sean a ?crit :

> Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and  
> feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include:
>
> setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off
> isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag  
> (boolean)
> setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window
>
> Screen capture of a modified title bar:
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png
>
>
> -- 
> Shao Sean
> http://www.RevDevelop.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From david at architex.tv  Mon Sep 21 05:00:47 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:00:47 +0100
Subject: convert oddity
In-Reply-To: <4AB687FA.4070104@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB687FA.4070104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909210200m1ecb4f2fv976d0651e90fbb89@mail.gmail.com>

How about checking the epoch time on the server with "date +%s" ?

2009/9/20 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

> I have a CGI which stores dates using internet date format.
>
> In one of my CGI routines I use the convert command to reformat the date
> into a more user-friendly form:
>
>    convert tTimeStamp to long date and short time
>
> The oddity is that the convert command running on the server shows the time
> portion as 8 hours ahead of the value in the original timestamp.
>
> I've also used seconds instead of the internet date, with the same result.
>
> I've verified that the CGI is storing the correct timestamp, and when I run
> the same convert on my local machine it always converts correctly.
>
> Is there something odd about using the convert command in a CGI that I
> don't know about?
>
> FWIW, I'm not using the useSystemDate, and since the server is in my time
> zone that shouldn't affect it anyway.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 05:31:45 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:31:45 +0300
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>	<117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>
	<64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>

Oh, By, Am I naive or what?

For us naive types could somebody, Please,
in a relatively simple way, explain what a
"dirty button/flag" is?


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 05:51:28 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:51:28 +1000
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>
	<64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909210251r6f8d7536h622e0d4ace67bfe3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, By, Am I naive or what?
>
> For us naive types could somebody, Please,
> in a relatively simple way, explain what a
> "dirty button/flag" is?

When a document needs to be saved, this is referred to as being
"dirty". Since this is a true/false setting, it is often called a
flag.
In Macs, if you look at a document in say, Text Edit, if it needs
saving, the close close blob in the title bar will have a dark centre,
so this is a "dirty button".

Cheers,
Sarah


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Sep 21 05:54:36 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:54:36 +0100
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>	<117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>
	<64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2A4765F-CE6F-4EB6-A4B1-12D66CA9BC15@azurevision.co.uk>

On 21 Sep 2009, at 10:31, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Oh, By, Am I naive or what?
>
> For us naive types could somebody, Please,
> in a relatively simple way, explain what a
> "dirty button/flag" is?

In the majority of document-based OS X apps, the saved status of the  
current document is visually shown in the title bar - if it's unsaved  
then there is a darker centre to the red 'close' button.

TextEdit is a good example - open a new document, and watch the red  
button as you type in the first character.


On 21 Sep 2009, at 07:27, Arthur Rann wrote:

> Hi,
> I thought RR was being touted as the evolution of HyperCard? I have  
> a hard
> time believing the dirty flag isn't supported natively. Are you  
> saying it's not???

Nope, never has been.

> Look, I have a ton of cross-platform apps on my drive, but all of  
> them use
> the dirty red button to indicate that the file has been touched.

I also have quite a few cross-platform apps, and apart from the 'big'  
ones like Photoshop, most of them *don't* use the dirty red button. :- 
( It's highly dependant on the framework that the developer has been  
using, and if they are primarily Windows developers whether they are  
even *aware* of the feature.

>  Doesn't anyone hold RR to task over Mac OS Interface?

Apart from us? Who are you referring to?

It's a feature I'd like, but apart from a couple of mentions on the  
list it doesn't seem to be that high a priority for people - there  
doesn't even appear to be a request for it in the QA centre.

Ian


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 06:24:06 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:24:06 +1000
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <A2A4765F-CE6F-4EB6-A4B1-12D66CA9BC15@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>
	<64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>
	<A2A4765F-CE6F-4EB6-A4B1-12D66CA9BC15@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909210324u7da3d358k80b5c36ee3d5a8a4@mail.gmail.com>

> It's a feature I'd like, but apart from a couple of mentions on the list it
> doesn't seem to be that high a priority for people - there doesn't even
> appear to be a request for it in the QA centre.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6213


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 06:32:38 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:32:38 +0300
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909210251r6f8d7536h622e0d4ace67bfe3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>	<117615941140.20090920190650@ahsoftware.net>	<64bccb0c0909202327s4985ba84u6f4a012c90979d0b@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB74801.7070109@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909210251r6f8d7536h622e0d4ace67bfe3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB75646.90907@gmail.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson
> <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Oh, By, Am I naive or what?
>>
>> For us naive types could somebody, Please,
>> in a relatively simple way, explain what a
>> "dirty button/flag" is?
>>     
>
> When a document needs to be saved, this is referred to as being
> "dirty". Since this is a true/false setting, it is often called a
> flag.
> In Macs, if you look at a document in say, Text Edit, if it needs
> saving, the close close blob in the title bar will have a dark centre,
> so this is a "dirty button".
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
>   
Thanks for a nice, clear explanation. I cannot help wondering
why the word 'dirty' is used in these cases; surely 'unsaved' is
much easier to understand (especially for folk like me!)

Gosh, I'm even goofier than I thought I was; always wondered
about those blobs!

Mind you I normally remember when things need saving
(about every 2 minutes) without any blobs.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 07:40:16 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:40:16 +0300
Subject: [OT] Thinks: GameSalad
Message-ID: <4AB76620.6070703@gmail.com>

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/gamesalad.html

that's an interesting way to program!


From david at architex.tv  Mon Sep 21 08:37:18 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:37:18 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: speed question related to how it is working under the
	hood?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909210537i41073d2eu3c6e3028f4d81e29@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a question about how commands like "set the dgDataOfIndex" work
under the hood, and whether there are occasions where you would get speed
increases by directly setting the value of an individual control in a record
view.

*First an introduction:*
I've got a datagrid form I'm working on in which the data that makes up the
individual form contents comes from a variety of web services - consequently
the basic data comes over fast but the detailed contents (things like images
and metadata) comes over much more slowly.

The solution I'm trying to reimplement is based on asynchronously loading
the additional data using "load url with message". I can then display the
datagrid fast, and with a toggle arrow allow the user to reveal the image
and metadata when needed. If the metadata is still loading then I want to
display some suitable dummy "is loading" content.

The issue here is that if a hundred or more records are loaded into a
datagrid, then we will have several hundred asynchronous loads being fired
off and coming in all trying to update / redraw the datagrid one at a time.
Naturally this will need the fastest possible technique for updating the
display of the metadata - but we (probably) want to do this as the data
comes in.

*The questions:*
If I uses "set the dgDataOfIndex" to update the display of an individual
datagrid form record, does the underlying library only update the display
associated with this one record, or does the library redraw all the
currently displayed records?
Would I be any better off speed wise directly setting the images / metadata
of records using over using built in datagrid api calls?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 09:17:43 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:17:43 +0300
Subject: rawKeyDown and Unicode
Message-ID: <4AB77CF7.3090706@gmail.com>

'Tis michty queer:

This works:

on mouseUp
 set the useUnicode to true
 set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" & 
numToChar(2000)
 select after fld "BLURB"
end mouseUp

this appends the unicode char 2000 to my textField

BUT this doesn't:

on rawKeyDown RAWK
   set the useUnicode to true
      if RAWK = 0 then
        set the useUnicode to true
        set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld 
"BLURB" & numToChar(2000)
        select after fld "BLURB"
     end if
     pass rawKeyDown
end rawKeyDown

this appends the ascii equivalent (i.e. rem 2000)

a richt scunner!

Any helpful suggestions welcomed with open arms . . .  :)

sincerely, Richmond.


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep 21 09:21:56 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:21:56 -0400
Subject: close a DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <B7A3934C-1A85-49DA-899F-3ABF8FEA8DE8@gmx.net>
References: <B7A3934C-1A85-49DA-899F-3ABF8FEA8DE8@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <9B08F4B1-AFC7-4206-8369-5BD6CCC5E63D@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 20, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> I want to close an open cell (field) in a datagrid
>
> dispatch "CloseFieldEditor" to grp "DataGrid 1"     -- does not work.
>
> This does not work either :
> put the long id of the target into tFieldEditor       -- the target  
> being that field
> dispatch "CloseFieldEditor" to grp "dataGrid 1"  with tFieldEditor
>
> I don't seem to find how to do it in the manuals and the older  
> postings in this group.

Use DeleteFieldEditor.

There is a vague reference it on the API page under EditFieldText.

Data Grid API: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3461-Data-Grid-API 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep 21 09:26:59 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:26:59 -0400
Subject: tab for next cell in DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <2F342B0E-5324-4192-80AF-7EC0CF2B3A26@gmx.net>
References: <2F342B0E-5324-4192-80AF-7EC0CF2B3A26@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <597EBD38-5C2B-4B8A-BAC8-800B8FF36FB6@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 20, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> I repacked an application into the GLX framework and made new  
> datagrids. Now the TAB button does not move from an open cell  to  
> the next cell and open it anymore, as it did in my older copy (pre  
> GLX framework of this application).  How can I get that behavior  
> back? The Tab now closes the open cell and that's it.


The GLX App Framework won't affect tabbing in data grids as it doesn't  
process any tabkey messages.

Is it possible that an error is occurring in a CloseFieldEditor/ 
ExitFieldExitor or OpenFieldEditor message in your data grid?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep 21 09:32:53 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:32:53 -0400
Subject: Datagrid: speed question related to how it is working under the
	hood?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909210537i41073d2eu3c6e3028f4d81e29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909210537i41073d2eu3c6e3028f4d81e29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23E1E100-2826-4E62-9D47-BE4F1E448691@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:37 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> ...
> *The questions:*
> If I uses "set the dgDataOfIndex" to update the display of an  
> individual
> datagrid form record, does the underlying library only update the  
> display
> associated with this one record, or does the library redraw all the
> currently displayed records?
> Would I be any better off speed wise directly setting the images /  
> metadata
> of records using over using built in datagrid api calls?

The data grid will only redraw the row you altered. If the row isn't  
visible on screen then an offscreen control is created in order to  
determine the new height of the row but that is it.

Keep in mind that if you don't use the data grid apis the height of  
the row can't be updated and your scrolling will be off.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Sep 21 09:50:53 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:50:53 -0400
Subject: [teaser2] Mac OS X external
Message-ID: <31ACB7CF-609D-4CD0-A6A8-00AFCEAA659F@wehostmacs.com>

I was hoping to have this fully working today before bed but it is not  
going to happen :-(
Thank you for all the support during the development and work  
continues on adding new features so here is a sneak peek at what I was  
doing tonight..

http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows2.png


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Sep 21 10:33:32 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:33:32 +0100
Subject: full screen
Message-ID: <200909211533.33090.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Don't know much about Windows command line, but if you can reset the screen 
from it, you could use shell() to run a shell script on open stack, and 
then reset it back with another on close stack.  Mostly when I can't figure 
out how to get it done in Rev, the shell comes to the rescue.  Or maybe you 
already thought of this and its not viable?

Peter


From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Sep 21 10:53:09 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:53:09 +0200
Subject: Grouping - unexpected behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20090921090052.2CF6048AA80@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090921090052.2CF6048AA80@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C77D49D5-6230-4411-838D-F69291458BB5@mac.com>

I suppose others are used to this, but I haven't found anything in the  
RunRev docs:

If I group two images or two graphics (or maybe other objects - I  
haven't tried), where one image is totally within the bounds of the  
other (for example, one is 640 x 480 and the other is 120 x 120 and  
the loc of each is the same), then the group turns out bigger than  
than the larger of the two images! There seems to be an invisible  
margin of 4 pixels all the way around the group, making the group 8  
pixels wider and higher than the original largest image. Is this  
supposed to happen? I have not found a way to avoid it, and so if I  
want to maintain the size of my composite image I will have to crop  
it, which to me is totally unexpected. My group has no border, and  
AFAICS the boundingRect property has no influence on the situation.

Can anyone explain why this is happening?

TIA

Graham


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:56:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:56:08 +0300
Subject: rawKeyDown and Unicode
Message-ID: <4AB79408.1010908@gmail.com>

Err . . . here I am replying to my own posting again: but,
any other person out there who is loony enough to be
mucking around with unicode might find the effects of
my 7th cup of coffee useful . . .  :)

I wrote:

-----------------------------

This works:

on mouseUp
set the useUnicode to true
set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" & 
numToChar(2000)
select after fld "BLURB"
end mouseUp

this appends the unicode char 2000 to my textField

BUT this doesn't:

on rawKeyDown RAWK
  set the useUnicode to true
     if RAWK = 0 then
       set the useUnicode to true
       set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld 
"BLURB" & numToChar(2000)
       select after fld "BLURB"
    end if
    pass rawKeyDown
end rawKeyDown

this appends the ascii equivalent (i.e. rem 2000)

-----------------------------------

this ONLY doesn't work if the rawKeyDown value is 0  (zero).

So:

on rawKeyDown RAWK
  set the useUnicode to true
     if RAWK = 49 then
       set the useUnicode to true
       set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld 
"BLURB" & numToChar(2000)
       select after fld "BLURB"
    end if
    pass rawKeyDown
end rawKeyDown

works absolutely fine.
-----------------------------------------

And to think that I never took any notice of my Philosophy
Prof. burbling on about the dangers of inductive reasoning!


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep 21 10:59:49 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:59:49 -0700
Subject: Grouping - unexpected behaviour
Message-ID: <4AB794E5.8010202@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:
> If I group two images or two graphics (or maybe other objects - I  
> haven't tried), where one image is totally within the bounds of the  
> other (for example, one is 640 x 480 and the other is 120 x 120 and  
> the loc of each is the same), then the group turns out bigger than  
> than the larger of the two images! There seems to be an invisible  
> margin of 4 pixels all the way around the group, making the group 8  
> pixels wider and higher than the original largest image. Is this  
> supposed to happen? I have not found a way to avoid it, and so if I  
> want to maintain the size of my composite image I will have to crop  
> it, which to me is totally unexpected. My group has no border, and  
> AFAICS the boundingRect property has no influence on the situation.
> 
> Can anyone explain why this is happening?

A new group will have its margins set to 4 by default.  Setting the 
group's margins property to 0 after creation should take care of the issue.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Sep 21 11:00:07 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:00:07 +0100
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909202246r4ab1b49bh51fd28523f13e701@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
	<7021358E-7649-401E-B13F-B9F6C3F85976@all-auctions.com>
	<64bccb0c0909202246r4ab1b49bh51fd28523f13e701@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCC5BDC7-7525-4888-A823-9400D84A5B31@azurevision.co.uk>


On 21 Sep 2009, at 06:46, Arthur Rann wrote:

> I bet I could do this with an AppleScript, so that's my next test...

I bet you can't. :-( If you can I'd love to hear about it.

For OS X there *used* to be a third-party command line app called  
cscreen which would set the screen resolution, but it disappeared  
several years ago. That was the only way I'm aware of for changing  
resolution on OS X via AppleScript (via a shell call, at that). There  
was an OSAX for OS 8-9, but that's pretty much irrelevant by now.

Even then, that changed the resolution in a way that would muck up all  
your other app windows and desktop layout.

Ian


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 21 11:07:11 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:07:11 -1000
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006501ca3acd$32fa6da0$98ef48e0$@com>

Arthur Rann wrote:

> Hi,
> How do I make my RR stack run full screen? I don't want to stretch
> things to
> meet the screen, I want to enter a 'full screen mode' like most video
> games
> do, where it temporarily sets the user's monitor resolution to 1024x768
> or
> something like that.

This has been discussed many times over the years on this list including the
wisdom of changing a user's resolution, as well as different ways to do it
on PC and Mac. In Rev got to Help -> Revolution Search Engine -> Nable
(Selectable from the second tab) and then type "screen resolution" and the
green go button.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 21 11:45:40 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:45:40 -0700
Subject: Grouping - unexpected behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4AB794E5.8010202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AB794E5.8010202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <122665070593.20090921084540@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:59:49 AM, you wrote:

> A new group will have its margins set to 4 by default.  Setting the
> group's margins property to 0 after creation should take care of the issue.

Or you could change the margins of the templategroup before creation
(and reset the templategroup afterwards).

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 12:06:39 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:06:39 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: speed question related to how it is working under the
	hood?
In-Reply-To: <23E1E100-2826-4E62-9D47-BE4F1E448691@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909210537i41073d2eu3c6e3028f4d81e29@mail.gmail.com>
	<23E1E100-2826-4E62-9D47-BE4F1E448691@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909210906t35e6884r9de92ee62f17b098@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - great to know. Will use the API calls with abandon :)

2009/9/21 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

> On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:37 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  ...
>> *The questions:*
>> If I uses "set the dgDataOfIndex" to update the display of an individual
>> datagrid form record, does the underlying library only update the display
>> associated with this one record, or does the library redraw all the
>> currently displayed records?
>> Would I be any better off speed wise directly setting the images /
>> metadata
>> of records using over using built in datagrid api calls?
>>
>
> The data grid will only redraw the row you altered. If the row isn't
> visible on screen then an offscreen control is created in order to determine
> the new height of the row but that is it.
>
> Keep in mind that if you don't use the data grid apis the height of the row
> can't be updated and your scrolling will be off.
>


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  6 20:23:07 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable image copying from password protected stacks
Message-ID: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>


Visit report 8251 to vote for disable image copy from
password protected stacks.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8251

To copy an image from a password protected stack,
users just had to select the image and write
in the message box:
set the clipboarddata to the text of the selobj

Then, to paste the image in a new stack,
users create a new empty image object and
type in the message box:
set the text of the selobj to the clipboarddata

Using this method, i was able to copy gif animations
from a password protected stack.
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From mpezzo at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 01:19:08 2009
From: mpezzo at gmail.com (AcidJazz)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Need a Slide rule. Was: Two questions about trev
In-Reply-To: <c3d.63c19147.37dfdb96@aol.com>
References: <c3d.63c19147.37dfdb96@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25466104.post@talk.nabble.com>


Dunbarx ,

I think it's cool!   When I first started using rev I thought "surely I'm
overlooking something, because they can't possibly expect me to count
characters to figure out where the problem is..."     Okay, that sentence
makes me sound lazy, but I definitely think there's a need.  

-- AcidJazz 


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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 12:38:30 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:38:30 +0300
Subject: Vote to disable image copying from password protected stacks
In-Reply-To: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4AB7AC06.8040005@gmail.com>

capellan wrote:
> Visit report 8251 to vote for disable image copy from
> password protected stacks.
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8251
>
> To copy an image from a password protected stack,
> users just had to select the image and write
> in the message box:
> set the clipboarddata to the text of the selobj
>
> Then, to paste the image in a new stack,
> users create a new empty image object and
> type in the message box:
> set the text of the selobj to the clipboarddata
>
> Using this method, i was able to copy gif animations
> from a password protected stack.
>   
Copy protection is always circumventable, so why bother?


From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Sep 21 12:52:20 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
Message-ID: <25530401.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

I need use drag and drop between datagrids and others objects, how to begin?
I need perform operations like exec sql sentences or print.

Any tip about how begin to handle this?


Salut,
Josep
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From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Sep 21 12:54:42 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:54:42 -0700
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0909202246r4ab1b49bh51fd28523f13e701@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>
	<7021358E-7649-401E-B13F-B9F6C3F85976@all-auctions.com>
	<64bccb0c0909202246r4ab1b49bh51fd28523f13e701@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6B428F3-589B-4F6B-9E93-5CC50AC52F2E@jhj.com>

On Sep 20, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Arthur Rann wrote:

> Hi,
> So let me get this straight because I need to take this back with me  
> to the
> dev team. You're saying that there's no built in way to actually go  
> full
> screen, like most games do?

I have in the back of my alleged mind that there was a libKiosk (maybe  
by Andre Garzia) that took care of such details. I have some ideas  
that would want to use such a thing.

Was it just a hopeful dream?

--Jerry J



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 13:02:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:02:06 +0300
Subject: Full screen?
In-Reply-To: <E6B428F3-589B-4F6B-9E93-5CC50AC52F2E@jhj.com>
References: <64bccb0c0909201230weab0850l4d32e87f2dbaa29@mail.gmail.com>	<7021358E-7649-401E-B13F-B9F6C3F85976@all-auctions.com>	<64bccb0c0909202246r4ab1b49bh51fd28523f13e701@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6B428F3-589B-4F6B-9E93-5CC50AC52F2E@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <4AB7B18E.7000705@gmail.com>

Jerry J wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Arthur Rann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> So let me get this straight because I need to take this back with me 
>> to the
>> dev team. You're saying that there's no built in way to actually go full
>> screen, like most games do?
>
> I have in the back of my alleged mind that there was a libKiosk (maybe 
> by Andre Garzia) that took care of such details. I have some ideas 
> that would want to use such a thing.
>
> Was it just a hopeful dream?
>
> --Jerry J
>
BINGO:  http://www.andregarzia.com/libKiosk.html

I don't think it mucks about with screen resolution though.


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 21 13:17:27 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:17:27 -1000
Subject: Vote to disable image copying from password protected stacks
In-Reply-To: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <000101ca3adf$659c4aa0$30d4dfe0$@com>

Capellan wrote:

> Visit report 8251 to vote for disable image copy from
> password protected stacks.
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8251
> 
> To copy an image from a password protected stack,
> users just had to select the image and write
> in the message box:
> set the clipboarddata to the text of the selobj
> 
> Then, to paste the image in a new stack,
> users create a new empty image object and
> type in the message box:
> set the text of the selobj to the clipboarddata
> 
> Using this method, i was able to copy gif animations
> from a password protected stack.

This is the way it has always been. The only thing protected is the scripts.
Things like images, properties and custom properties are not. Given that:

1. You can encrypt and decrypt the custom properties and images of a
protected stack from within the protected code of the stack itself.
2. Having these elements unprotected allows for updating the protected stack
without having to unlock and relock it and therefore can be done on a user's
machine. 
3. In the case of a library stack, the stack can use itself for storage and
be saved. 

I don't see what you are requesting as an advantage or desirable.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From jrosat at mac.com  Mon Sep 21 14:24:33 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:24:33 +0200
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <265A9C5B-D735-44F5-BEB5-087F7EF7B8F4@mac.com>


Le 21 sept. 2009 ? 01:36, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> This is the price we pay for using a cross-platform tool.

I can?t share your point of view on this. I can't see the reason which  
prevents from creating a button which respects the Apple Human  
Interface Guidelines for example.

> However you can set the font and with the new graphic effects, you can
> make gradient buttons.

Of course I can, and I do it, but I prefer to spend time to develop,  
not to improve the elements of the interface.

> Tool bars are easy enough to make yourself, although allowing the
> standard customization would be a neat trick which I have never
> bothered with. (I never have enough options to need it.)
>
> Then you start running into the same issues that Rev has i.e. if you
> make your app look too much like a standard Mac app, then it won't
> look like a Windows app for Windows users, without a lot of effort on
> your part. I think this is what profiles are good for, but I never
> really got into using profiles.
>

Sorry, but personally, I prefer to make a standard Mac app that it  
won't look like a Windows app for Windows users than the opposite ;-)

J?r?me

> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From jrosat at mac.com  Mon Sep 21 14:32:45 2009
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:32:45 +0200
Subject: Vote to disable image copying from password protected stacks
In-Reply-To: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25323494.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <131903CF-CE43-4571-B740-5D10D64EE3ED@mac.com>


Le 7 sept. 2009 ? 02:23, capellan a ?crit :

>
> Visit report 8251 to vote for disable image copy from
> password protected stacks.
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8251
>
> To copy an image from a password protected stack,
> users just had to select the image and write
> in the message box:
> set the clipboarddata to the text of the selobj
>
> Then, to paste the image in a new stack,
> users create a new empty image object and
> type in the message box:
> set the text of the selobj to the clipboarddata
>
> Using this method, i was able to copy gif animations
> from a password protected stack.

Even if you protect a gif animations, you can copy it with a "screen  
capture" when you use the stack.

J?r?me

> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Vote-to-disable-image-copying-from-password-protected-stacks-tp25323494p25323494.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Mon Sep 21 15:15:07 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:15:07 +0200
Subject: tab for next cell in DataGrid
Message-ID: <57132339-0B28-4F4E-87C5-34B382A8E51D@gmx.net>

Thanks for your kind answers, Trevor.

On Sep 20, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Beat Cornaz wrote:


> I repacked an application into the GLX framework and made new
> datagrids. Now the TAB button does not move from an open cell  to
> the next cell and open it anymore, as it did in my older copy (pre
> GLX framework of this application).  How can I get that behavior
> back? The Tab now closes the open cell and that's it.
>

Trevor wrote :
 >The GLX App Framework won't affect tabbing in data grids as it doesn't
 >process any tabkey messages.

 >Is it possible that an error is occurring in a CloseFieldEditor/
 >ExitFieldExitor or OpenFieldEditor message in your data grid?


I don't think that an error is occuring, as a test datagrid also has  
the same behavior (does not open the next cell on tabbing).
I want with the insertion point in an open cell, with a tabKey open  
the next cell on the same line (and close the one that was open). So  
fill in a cell, hit tabKey, fill in next cell, etc.
Is it a custom property I have to set? I don't think so, as I have  
not found it.
So I tried to write a handler in the datagrid grp script (see below).

I am sure that this is easy, but after a long search and many trys, I  
just can't find the last bit.

I have the following handler, which works ok.
I only need now to get the Column name of the open cell. How will I  
do that?
  dgHilitedLines gives me the LineNr, but how to get the name of the  
Column of the open cell ?

on rawkeyDown tkey
    if tkey = 65289    then   -- tabkey
         get the dgHilitedIndexes of grp "datagrid 1"
	put it into tLineNr

--  HOW to get the Column Name of the open cell ??????

--   for now to test the rest
       put "Col 2" into tCol	
--
       set the dgHilitedLines of grp "DataGrid 1"  to tLineNr
       dispatch "EditCell" to group "DataGrid 1"  with tCol, tLineNr
-- et voila : on tabKey the next cell is opened
    end if

    pass rawkeyDown
end rawkeyDown



Many thanks & warm greetings,

Beat Cornaz



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 15:48:58 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:48:58 +0300
Subject: Embedded switches?
Message-ID: <4AB7D8AA.9050101@gmail.com>

I have to use either:

1. A multi-case switch statement with many sub-switch statements inside it,

or

2. A multi-case switch statement with many IF . . . THEN statements 
inside it,

or

3. Many IF . . . THEN statements with many IF . . . THEN statements 
inside them.

Number 3. is obviously going to slow things down a ton!

Should I choose 1. or 2 ?  and why?


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 21 16:03:43 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:03:43 -0700
Subject: Embedded switches?
In-Reply-To: <4AB7D8AA.9050101@gmail.com>
References: <4AB7D8AA.9050101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49680554062.20090921130343@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Monday, September 21, 2009, 12:48:58 PM, you wrote:

> I have to use either:

> 1. A multi-case switch statement with many sub-switch statements inside it,

> or

> 2. A multi-case switch statement with many IF . . . THEN statements 
> inside it,

> or

> 3. Many IF . . . THEN statements with many IF . . . THEN statements 
> inside them.

> Number 3. is obviously going to slow things down a ton!

Actually there's no speed penalty for if/then vs switch constructs.
They compile down to the same comparisons. If you're going to be
applying the same tests repeatedly then you may find a negligible
difference, but overall I wouldn't worry about this.

> Should I choose 1. or 2 ?  and why?

I usually find that switch statements are more readable after the fact
than nested ifs, but others may have other opinions about this.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Mon Sep 21 16:16:03 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:16:03 +0200
Subject: I need to blink and carry on !
Message-ID: <845E856D-317D-4CBF-9E1B-CDB953C55853@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

Thanks Stephen, thanks Jim - problem solved !

-Francis







From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 16:27:53 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:27:53 +1000
Subject: rawKeyDown and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <4AB77CF7.3090706@gmail.com>
References: <4AB77CF7.3090706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EB79523-E157-4E78-B9F6-FBD80C7A9806@gmail.com>

I would suggest trying it without passing the rawKeyDown message if  
you have already handled it i.e. if RAWK = 0

Cheers,
Sarah


Sent from my iPhone

On 21/09/2009, at 11:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com 
 > wrote:

> 'Tis michty queer:
>
> This works:
>
> on mouseUp
> set the useUnicode to true
> set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld "BLURB"  
> & numToChar(2000)
> select after fld "BLURB"
> end mouseUp
>
> this appends the unicode char 2000 to my textField
>
> BUT this doesn't:
>
> on rawKeyDown RAWK
>  set the useUnicode to true
>     if RAWK = 0 then
>       set the useUnicode to true
>       set the unicodeText of fld "BLURB" to the unicodeText of fld  
> "BLURB" & numToChar(2000)
>       select after fld "BLURB"
>    end if
>    pass rawKeyDown
> end rawKeyDown
>
> this appends the ascii equivalent (i.e. rem 2000)
>
> a richt scunner!
>
> Any helpful suggestions welcomed with open arms . . .  :)
>
> sincerely, Richmond.
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From steve at theworcestersource.com  Mon Sep 21 17:43:13 2009
From: steve at theworcestersource.com (Steve Checkley)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:43:13 +0100
Subject: [teaser2] Mac OS X external
Message-ID: <8CFEAE65-9465-4226-B352-F85CE65769B8@theworcestersource.com>

This is awesome! Can't wait for the finished article.

Steve



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Sep 21 17:56:39 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:56:39 +0200
Subject: Grouping - unexpected behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20090921170005.B476448AABE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090921170005.B476448AABE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A4A0AD8E-7376-4F3E-B75B-8F807C5319AD@mac.com>

Richard to the rescue again - thanks! IMHO the default setting of  
margins should be explained in some other place than under 'margins',  
because if you don't know what a margin is or that it exists for a  
group, you're stuffed. I have submitted a note to the docs for the  
'group' command.

Graham

On 21 Sep 2009, at 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:59:49 -0700
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Subject:
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <4AB794E5.8010202 at fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Graham Samuel wrote:
>> If I group two images or two graphics (or maybe other objects - I
>> haven't tried), where one image is totally within the bounds of the
>> other (for example, one is 640 x 480 and the other is 120 x 120 and
>> the loc of each is the same), then the group turns out bigger than
>> than the larger of the two images! There seems to be an invisible
>> margin of 4 pixels all the way around the group, making the group 8
>> pixels wider and higher than the original largest image. Is this
>> supposed to happen? I have not found a way to avoid it, and so if I
>> want to maintain the size of my composite image I will have to crop
>> it, which to me is totally unexpected. My group has no border, and
>> AFAICS the boundingRect property has no influence on the situation.
>>
>> Can anyone explain why this is happening?
>
> A new group will have its margins set to 4 by default.  Setting the
> group's margins property to 0 after creation should take care of the  
> issue.
>
> --



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 18:39:17 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:39:17 +1000
Subject: Embedded switches?
In-Reply-To: <4AB7D8AA.9050101@gmail.com>
References: <4AB7D8AA.9050101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909211539i1d70a122h7b1edd08d5e12bb6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to use either:
>
> 1. A multi-case switch statement with many sub-switch statements inside it,
>
> or
>
> 2. A multi-case switch statement with many IF . . . THEN statements inside
> it,
>
> or
>
> 3. Many IF . . . THEN statements with many IF . . . THEN statements inside
> them.
>
> Number 3. is obviously going to slow things down a ton!
>
> Should I choose 1. or 2 ? ?and why?


My usual rule is to use "if" for 2 or 3 options and "switch" if there
are more optins.
You can apply that to your embedded decisions also.
I don't think you will notice much speed difference either way, so
concentrate on making readable code that you can understand when you
come back to it in a year's time.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 18:40:32 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:40:32 +1000
Subject: [teaser2] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <31ACB7CF-609D-4CD0-A6A8-00AFCEAA659F@wehostmacs.com>
References: <31ACB7CF-609D-4CD0-A6A8-00AFCEAA659F@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909211540w43e6b35i4f584702c520d75e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> I was hoping to have this fully working today before bed but it is not going
> to happen :-(
> Thank you for all the support during the development and work continues on
> adding new features so here is a sneak peek at what I was doing tonight..
>
> http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows2.png


Looking great. Having the blob at the top right to toggle the toolbar
would be another great feature.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 18:45:51 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:45:51 +1000
Subject: [teaser] Mac OS X external
In-Reply-To: <265A9C5B-D735-44F5-BEB5-087F7EF7B8F4@mac.com>
References: <792FF94B-122B-421B-9121-38262717CDFC@wehostmacs.com>
	<B6B33E64-22F2-4F30-A472-407AEA3DF048@mac.com>
	<f99b52860909201636r1bfc3a1cp1dcc9f4fdaa76aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<265A9C5B-D735-44F5-BEB5-087F7EF7B8F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909211545u35052507m16d5559342caa7c7@mail.gmail.com>

>> This is the price we pay for using a cross-platform tool.
>
> I can?t share your point of view on this. I can't see the reason which
> prevents from creating a button which respects the Apple Human Interface
> Guidelines for example.

Like you I am a Mac person, but as developers, we have to recognise
that the majority of computers still run Windows.
>From RunRev's point of view, it would be commercial suicide to have
their default look to be completely Apple HIG compliant, since this
would make them very un-Windows like.
They have done an excellent job of making default interface objects
that look reasonably good on all platforms, but if you really want the
Mac look & feel, the you will either have to develop your own custom
buttons, or switch to programming in XCode where the Interface Builder
does everything in pure Mac mode.


> Sorry, but personally, I prefer to make a standard Mac app that it won't
> look like a Windows app for Windows users than the opposite ;-)

That is purely a personal and commercial decision. No need to
apologise for it :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Sep 21 20:16:40 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:16:40 -0400
Subject: [teaser2] Mac OS X external
Message-ID: <D792B34C-3EC5-4B6E-8E4A-CD930A559668@wehostmacs.com>

> Looking great. Having the blob at the top right to toggle the  
> toolbar would be another great feature.

it is there and it does work :)


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 23:21:47 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:21:47 +1000
Subject: mouseRelease in Rev 4.0
Message-ID: <f99b52860909212021v9ae5566le1deb06be35a3318@mail.gmail.com>

I am working on an app that allows users to drag across a series of
controls in order to operate on each one in turn when the mouse button
comes up.
I build a list of the selected controls by checking the mouseMove
messages and on a mouseRelease (since the mouse pointer is no longer
over the object that received the mouseDown), I loop through the list
of selected controls and do what I need.
This is working perfectly in Rev 3.0 & 3.5.
In Rev 4.0, it's as if the mouseRelease message is only sent
sometimes. especially, it doesn't seem to happen if I move too fast,
but if I drag, then hover over the last control for a bit, then it
works.

Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
And if so, is there a work-around?

I need to re-write the code to take advantage of behaviors. Doing
things a different way may avoid the problem, but it would be nice to
solve anyway.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 21 23:31:08 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:31:08 -0500
Subject: mouseRelease in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909212021v9ae5566le1deb06be35a3318@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909212021v9ae5566le1deb06be35a3318@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB844FC.8000900@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> In Rev 4.0, it's as if the mouseRelease message is only sent
> sometimes. especially, it doesn't seem to happen if I move too fast,
> but if I drag, then hover over the last control for a bit, then it
> works.
> 
> Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
> And if so, is there a work-around?

I haven't noticed it in Rev but I see it constantly in the OS X Finder 
and other apps lately (and I'm not on Snow Leopard yet, so it must have 
been something in a recent system update.) Sometimes the file I'm 
dragging sticks to the mouse even after I've let up on the button and 
the ghost file moves around with the mouse until I click again. Very 
irritating. So maybe it isn't Rev's fault?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Sep 22 00:21:04 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:21:04 -0700
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <004101ca394c$cc626a60$65273f20$@com>
References: <4AB500EC.4090804@gmail.com> <004101ca394c$cc626a60$65273f20$@com>
Message-ID: <C191BD9D-D6D9-4BF4-86E1-B47319E244DF@mac.com>

Jim,

Is there a list of common keyboard assignments like this?

Bill Vlahos

On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Richmond Mathewson:
>
>> As rawKeyDown doesn't pick up
>> keydowns such as SHIFT on Macintosh
>> I am thinking of using F keys (specifically F1 and F2)
>> to state-change in the Beta 2 version of my
>> Sanskrit typewriter and wonder if using these
>> 2 keys will "make things go all wobbly" on
>> Windows?
>
>
> F1 is universally used by all programs on PC as the Help key, so I  
> wouldn't
> use it for any other purpose than to launch your help, as a typical  
> Windows
> user would expect this. Other raw function keys have different  
> meanings
> depending on keyboard or program. However, to the best of my  
> knowledge,
> keystrokes are only sent to the top window. So if your application  
> is the
> top window, you can interpret the key any way you want. If your app  
> is not
> on top, it won't receive the keystroke.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 22 02:01:07 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:01:07 -1000
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <C191BD9D-D6D9-4BF4-86E1-B47319E244DF@mac.com>
References: <4AB500EC.4090804@gmail.com> <004101ca394c$cc626a60$65273f20$@com>
	<C191BD9D-D6D9-4BF4-86E1-B47319E244DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca3b4a$14157650$3c4062f0$@com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Is there a list of common keyboard assignments like this?
> 
> Bill Vlahos

With the single exception of F1, which is always Help, there really isn't.
And, most PC keyboards have a special key called Fnc or F-Lock or just F for
Function, which when you hold it down will change what happens when you
press one of the 12 function keys to a machine brand or keyboard specific
assigned function such as opening up your email client, or browser, or
search, or print, or whatever. Even here I looked at 5-keyboards I have here
that have pictures of what these do (a Microsoft keyboard, an IBM ThinkPad,
a Toshiba laptop, an HP and an Acer Aspire) and in every case they are all
totally different.

At one point, a very long time ago, IBM tried to suggest some common
guidelines (along the lines of Apple's HIG), but nobody ever followed them
and today, even though IBM still makes PCs under subcontract, they sold out
their PC line to Lenovo a couple years ago. 

So, as far as F2 to F12 as well as Ctrl-, Shift- and Alt- combinations of
these (meaning holding down, for example, the Ctrl key and pressing F2)
there is no suggested or pre-assigned functions. You application is free to
use these in any way you wish, which is probably why it's important you use
the F1 key for Help, so users can depend on what to press to figure out what
you've assigned the other keys to do. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



> 
> On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
> 
> > Richmond Mathewson:
> >
> >> As rawKeyDown doesn't pick up
> >> keydowns such as SHIFT on Macintosh
> >> I am thinking of using F keys (specifically F1 and F2)
> >> to state-change in the Beta 2 version of my
> >> Sanskrit typewriter and wonder if using these
> >> 2 keys will "make things go all wobbly" on
> >> Windows?
> >
> >
> > F1 is universally used by all programs on PC as the Help key, so I
> > wouldn't
> > use it for any other purpose than to launch your help, as a typical
> > Windows
> > user would expect this. Other raw function keys have different
> > meanings
> > depending on keyboard or program. However, to the best of my
> > knowledge,
> > keystrokes are only sent to the top window. So if your application
> > is the
> > top window, you can interpret the key any way you want. If your app
> > is not
> > on top, it won't receive the keystroke.
> >
> > Aloha from Hawaii,
> >
> > Jim Bufalini
> >
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 04:51:57 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:51:57 +0300
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca3b4a$14157650$3c4062f0$@com>
References: <4AB500EC.4090804@gmail.com>
	<004101ca394c$cc626a60$65273f20$@com>	<C191BD9D-D6D9-4BF4-86E1-B47319E244DF@mac.com>
	<001f01ca3b4a$14157650$3c4062f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4AB8902D.9080105@gmail.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>   
>> Jim,
>>
>> Is there a list of common keyboard assignments like this?
>>
>> Bill Vlahos
>>     
>
> With the single exception of F1, which is always Help, there really isn't.
> And, most PC keyboards have a special key called Fnc or F-Lock or just F for
> Function, which when you hold it down will change what happens when you
> press one of the 12 function keys to a machine brand or keyboard specific
> assigned function such as opening up your email client, or browser, or
> search, or print, or whatever. Even here I looked at 5-keyboards I have here
> that have pictures of what these do (a Microsoft keyboard, an IBM ThinkPad,
> a Toshiba laptop, an HP and an Acer Aspire) and in every case they are all
> totally different.
>
> At one point, a very long time ago, IBM tried to suggest some common
> guidelines (along the lines of Apple's HIG), but nobody ever followed them
> and today, even though IBM still makes PCs under subcontract, they sold out
> their PC line to Lenovo a couple years ago. 
>
> So, as far as F2 to F12 as well as Ctrl-, Shift- and Alt- combinations of
> these (meaning holding down, for example, the Ctrl key and pressing F2)
> there is no suggested or pre-assigned functions. You application is free to
> use these in any way you wish, which is probably why it's important you use
> the F1 key for Help, so users can depend on what to press to figure out what
> you've assigned the other keys to do. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>
>   
>> On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Richmond Mathewson:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> As rawKeyDown doesn't pick up
>>>> keydowns such as SHIFT on Macintosh
>>>> I am thinking of using F keys (specifically F1 and F2)
>>>> to state-change in the Beta 2 version of my
>>>> Sanskrit typewriter and wonder if using these
>>>> 2 keys will "make things go all wobbly" on
>>>> Windows?
>>>>         
>>> F1 is universally used by all programs on PC as the Help key, so I
>>> wouldn't
>>> use it for any other purpose than to launch your help, as a typical
>>> Windows
>>> user would expect this. Other raw function keys have different
>>> meanings
>>> depending on keyboard or program. However, to the best of my
>>> knowledge,
>>> keystrokes are only sent to the top window. So if your application
>>> is the
>>> top window, you can interpret the key any way you want. If your app
>>> is not
>>> on top, it won't receive the keystroke.
>>>
>>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>>
>>> Jim Bufalini
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>       
Thanks everybody.

I have set the HELP palette to open with F1 (regardless of platform)
and am leveraging F2, F3, F4 for my own nefarious purposes.

The real reason I am having to use the F keys is because modifier
keys (Ctrl, Alt/Opt, Command, Shift) don't produce rawKeyDown
signals on Mac. This is actually a bl**dy nuisance as it seems
more naturalistic for my end-users to be able to switch from
Sanskrit consonants to vowels with the Shift key than an F key:
but, short of having a punch-up with Steve Jobs, that is the way
things will have to be.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 04:54:25 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:54:25 +0300
Subject: RevMedia - status?
Message-ID: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com>

I just noticed that the copy of RevMedia 4 lurking on my Mac is
called "dp3" while my preview copy of Studio is "dp4"; am I
up to date, or, as usual, am I missing something?


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Sep 22 05:19:58 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:19:58 -0700
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <4AB8902D.9080105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6DDE4CE.447E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I have set the HELP palette to open with F1 (regardless of platform)
> and am leveraging F2, F3, F4 for my own nefarious purposes.
> 
> The real reason I am having to use the F keys is because modifier
> keys (Ctrl, Alt/Opt, Command, Shift) don't produce rawKeyDown
> signals on Mac. This is actually a bl**dy nuisance as it seems
> more naturalistic for my end-users to be able to switch from
> Sanskrit consonants to vowels with the Shift key than an F key:
> but, short of having a punch-up with Steve Jobs, that is the way
> things will have to be.

You can't use the built-in messages/functions?
 optionKeyDown
 controlKeyDown
 shiftKey()

Not sure what you need exactly, but you also might want to look into the
keysDown() function -- it requires some polling, but allows you to capture
key codes/states for the shift and control keys (at least it does here).
A simple button script example that displays all key presses (with the
button's autoHilite set to false so you can toggle the polling loop):

on mouseDown
   set hilite of me to not the hilite of me
   if "runKeyTrap" is not in pendingMessages() then runKeyTrap
end mouseDown

on runKeyTrap
   if not the hilite of me then exit runKeyTrap
   put keysDown()
   send "runKeyTrap" to me in 50 millisecs
end runKeyTrap


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 06:09:19 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:09:19 +0300
Subject: A Quick Flash
Message-ID: <4AB8A24F.6020607@gmail.com>

"Everybody likes a flasher."

I wanted a flash effect to signal to end-users
that something was happening that was quite
subtle, so I popped this into the script of the
button that made the subtle changes:

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   set the coloroverlay["color"] of img "BACK.png"  to white
   set the coloroverlay["opacity"] of img "BACK.png"  to "200"
   unlock screen
   wait 15 ticks
   set the outerGlow of img "BACK.png" to empty
   set the colorOverlay of img "BACK.png" to empty

   do OTHER RUBBISH
end mouseUp

where 'BACK.png' is my background image that is a
fairly dark, textured PNG.

[only works in RunRev 4 and "upwards"]

a pain in the bum is that, so far, the COLOROVERLAY stuff
is not properly documented: so pop my script into a button
and muck about with the parameters.

very effective!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 06:12:53 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:12:53 +0300
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <C6DDE4CE.447E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6DDE4CE.447E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8A325.2040000@gmail.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> You can't use the built-in messages/functions?
>  optionKeyDown
>  controlKeyDown
>  shiftKey()
>
> Not sure what you need exactly, but you also might want to look into the
> keysDown() function
>   
snip
> on mouseDown
>    set hilite of me to not the hilite of me
>    if "runKeyTrap" is not in pendingMessages() then runKeyTrap
> end mouseDown
>
> on runKeyTrap
>    if not the hilite of me then exit runKeyTrap
>    put keysDown()
>    send "runKeyTrap" to me in 50 millisecs
> end runKeyTrap
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
>   
Thank you, but I am by nature a lazy slob and that looks like just
too much hard work; trapping F keys with rawKeyDown is dead
easy.

Frankly, my Sanskrit Typewriter project is giving me large
headaches and sleepless nights without getting into other
fancy stuff; so trying to avoid thinking about more than I have
to already.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Sep 22 06:17:08 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:17:08 +0200
Subject: does a script stops at get shell?
Message-ID: <4BFF4B15A8A04A228DDEDF0DA7B0AF4B@Kestner.local>

Hello,

 

Win, Rev: 3.5 I have a handler where I call a vbs file in the shell which
copies some files. At the end of the handler I delete the source file (which
has been copied by the vbs). Now I experience that under certain
circumstances (slow processor?) it seems that the source files are deleted
before the vbs has copied them.

My understanding up to now was, that the script waits at every statement
(including calling the shell or sub handlers or functions) until its
execution, before its running on. But now I am getting doubtful, because it
seems that my handler doesn't wait for the execution of the vbs and runs on
to the delete file.

Can anybody shed some light on this to correct me? Any light very welcome!

Tiemo

 

 

 



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 06:25:08 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:25:08 +0100
Subject: mouseRelease in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909212021v9ae5566le1deb06be35a3318@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909212021v9ae5566le1deb06be35a3318@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909220325o34865ae1nd9165ebcdd4865db@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe it's related to the speed issue I've got with mouseMove in 4.0 - I
think it must be an engine issue and we will have to wait till it is fixed -
I guess we should bugzilla it?

2009/9/22 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>

> I am working on an app that allows users to drag across a series of
> controls in order to operate on each one in turn when the mouse button
> comes up.
> I build a list of the selected controls by checking the mouseMove
> messages and on a mouseRelease (since the mouse pointer is no longer
> over the object that received the mouseDown), I loop through the list
> of selected controls and do what I need.
> This is working perfectly in Rev 3.0 & 3.5.
> In Rev 4.0, it's as if the mouseRelease message is only sent
> sometimes. especially, it doesn't seem to happen if I move too fast,
> but if I drag, then hover over the last control for a bit, then it
> works.
>
> Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
> And if so, is there a work-around?
>
> I need to re-write the code to take advantage of behaviors. Doing
> things a different way may avoid the problem, but it would be nice to
> solve anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Sep 22 06:42:39 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:42:39 +0200
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
Message-ID: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I have a Revolution demonstration program that I want to show to  
potential buyers. The demo stack is called by a Mac or PC SplashStack,  
so I effectively have two stacks.
I could send it by CD, but this takes time, but it would be so nice to  
allow them to download it from my On-Rev server. The program displays  
lots of text and graphics (all internal), so no problem there,  
However, the user can play any of a large number of MP3 song files,  
which are in an external (to the Rev program) folder, also on the  
server.

Can I play an MP3 file in the user computer from a folder on the On- 
Rev server, or download it (about 5 megs) first, and then play it ?

Because this would make all of our song files available (not very  
intelligent), I would like to modify my splashstack to ask for a  
password, and only download the music to accepted users.

And finally, how does the user download my program (Mac or PC version)  
from the On-Rev server ? It might seem easy to some of you, but I've  
never done this before !!

This represents rather a lot of questions, but if I get answers here,  
I promise to go away and not bother you guys for a long time :>)

May I add that these are the sort of answers which I would love to  
find in a Rev cook-book.

OSX Leopard, Rev 3.0, build 750, On-Rev access.

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep 22 06:42:41 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:42:41 +0200
Subject: does a script stops at get shell?
In-Reply-To: <4BFF4B15A8A04A228DDEDF0DA7B0AF4B@Kestner.local>
References: <4BFF4B15A8A04A228DDEDF0DA7B0AF4B@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <250CB0A2-EE8C-44A6-9849-C1F271726B1A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tiemo,

Probably, your VBS file executes the copy commands and moves on,  
without waiting for the files to be actually copied. Perhaps you need  
to add a check to the VBS syntax, to check that the files are copied  
correctly. Why don't you do this with Revolution's read and write  
commands?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 22 sep 2009, at 12:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> Win, Rev: 3.5 I have a handler where I call a vbs file in the shell  
> which
> copies some files. At the end of the handler I delete the source  
> file (which
> has been copied by the vbs). Now I experience that under certain
> circumstances (slow processor?) it seems that the source files are  
> deleted
> before the vbs has copied them.
>
> My understanding up to now was, that the script waits at every  
> statement
> (including calling the shell or sub handlers or functions) until its
> execution, before its running on. But now I am getting doubtful,  
> because it
> seems that my handler doesn't wait for the execution of the vbs and  
> runs on
> to the delete file.
>
> Can anybody shed some light on this to correct me? Any light very  
> welcome!
>
> Tiemo
>
>


From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Sep 22 07:14:48 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:14:48 +0200
Subject: AW: does a script stops at get shell?
In-Reply-To: <250CB0A2-EE8C-44A6-9849-C1F271726B1A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <E09BB68199CB475081A66096348B38B5@Kestner.local>

Hi Mark,
I am updating files in the program dir. And I am using vbs, because I can
upgrade the user rights to admin with "runas" (on Vista and Win 7), what I
don't know how to do with rev without being virtualized. Is it possible?

I think it also has something to do with the interaction between VBS and the
UAC. Because the copyfile of the VBS stops for asking for permission from
the UAC. Perhaps at this time the control is already back to the vbs and my
handler is running on, while the UAC processes the rest of the operation,
after having get a ok from the user. Completely fishing in the dark :(

Actually I am not a vbs programmer at all (just recycled some other
statements), so I don't know, how to check for correct copying in vbs. My
last (odd) workaround would be to include a "wait 3 sec" after the get shell
:)

Thanks
Tiemo


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. September 2009 12:43
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: does a script stops at get shell?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> Probably, your VBS file executes the copy commands and moves on,
> without waiting for the files to be actually copied. Perhaps you need
> to add a check to the VBS syntax, to check that the files are copied
> correctly. Why don't you do this with Revolution's read and write
> commands?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com
> 
> On 22 sep 2009, at 12:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Win, Rev: 3.5 I have a handler where I call a vbs file in the shell
> > which
> > copies some files. At the end of the handler I delete the source
> > file (which
> > has been copied by the vbs). Now I experience that under certain
> > circumstances (slow processor?) it seems that the source files are
> > deleted
> > before the vbs has copied them.
> >
> > My understanding up to now was, that the script waits at every
> > statement
> > (including calling the shell or sub handlers or functions) until its
> > execution, before its running on. But now I am getting doubtful,
> > because it
> > seems that my handler doesn't wait for the execution of the vbs and
> > runs on
> > to the delete file.
> >
> > Can anybody shed some light on this to correct me? Any light very
> > welcome!
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 22 09:34:17 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:34:17 -0400
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
In-Reply-To: <25530401.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25530401.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B6972698-3E11-403A-90EB-A485A8FA3CAB@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 21, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Josep wrote:

> I need use drag and drop between datagrids and others objects, how  
> to begin?
> I need perform operations like exec sql sentences or print.
>
> Any tip about how begin to handle this?

At RunRevLive I used an updated version of the Data Grid with built-in  
support for drag reordering and setting the dragImage for drag/drop.

http://tr.im/data_grid

I haven't documented it yet but starting a drag and drop operation  
with the row being dragged on displayed as the dragImage is really easy:

##
## Data Grid Group Script
##
on dragStart
     ## use current row as dragImage
     put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
     set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex

     ## Set dragData to start drag operation
     set the dragData["private"] to "My Data"
end dragStart

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 22 09:41:11 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:41:11 -0400
Subject: tab for next cell in DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <57132339-0B28-4F4E-87C5-34B382A8E51D@gmx.net>
References: <57132339-0B28-4F4E-87C5-34B382A8E51D@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <D2FB5C46-7458-4532-B1A0-D4FE0951F312@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Beat Cornaz wrote:

> Thanks for your kind answers, Trevor.
>
> Trevor wrote :
> >The GLX App Framework won't affect tabbing in data grids as it  
> doesn't
> >process any tabkey messages.
>
> >Is it possible that an error is occurring in a CloseFieldEditor/
> >ExitFieldExitor or OpenFieldEditor message in your data grid?
>
> I don't think that an error is occuring, as a test datagrid also has  
> the same behavior (does not open the next cell on tabbing).
> I want with the insertion point in an open cell, with a tabKey open  
> the next cell on the same line (and close the one that was open). So  
> fill in a cell, hit tabKey, fill in next cell, etc.
> Is it a custom property I have to set? I don't think so, as I have  
> not found it.

There is no property to set. Look through the code I see that you need  
to make sure and pass OpenNextFieldEditor in order for tabbing to  
work. Any chance you are capturing that message but not passing?

Otherwise as long as you have > 1 column in your data grid tabbing  
will just work by default. I just tested by:

1) Dragging a data grid table onto a new stack
2) Adding two columns worth of data
3) Double-clicking on column 1 to edit
4) Pressing tab key.

I'm not aware of any way to break this unless you a) customized your  
column template and turned autotab off or b) have a script getting in  
the way of the tabKey message or c) have a script execution error that  
occurs while messages are being fired off during tabkey.

You could always trying editing the "field editor" script in the data  
grid library and seeing if the tabkey message is being called. You  
could follow the code through from there.

1) Make sure 'the preservevariables' is true.
2) Edit script of button "field editor" of stack "revdatagridlibrary"
3) Edit script of button "data grid" of stack "revdatagridlibrary"

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 22 10:24:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:24:33 -1000
Subject: does a script stops at get shell?
In-Reply-To: <4BFF4B15A8A04A228DDEDF0DA7B0AF4B@Kestner.local>
References: <4BFF4B15A8A04A228DDEDF0DA7B0AF4B@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <002401ca3b90$684c9820$38e5c860$@com>

Hi Tiemo,

> Win, Rev: 3.5 I have a handler where I call a vbs file in the shell
> which
> copies some files. At the end of the handler I delete the source file
> (which
> has been copied by the vbs). Now I experience that under certain
> circumstances (slow processor?) it seems that the source files are
> deleted
> before the vbs has copied them.
> 
> My understanding up to now was, that the script waits at every
> statement
> (including calling the shell or sub handlers or functions) until its
> execution, before its running on. But now I am getting doubtful,
> because it
> seems that my handler doesn't wait for the execution of the vbs and
> runs on
> to the delete file.
> 
> Can anybody shed some light on this to correct me? Any light very
> welcome!

I don't know about your VB but I do use the third party DLL written in VB
which I can call asynchronously. What this means is when I call it, it
returns immediately back to the calling program. But it is still running. I
can now continue processing in Rev and I must now poll the DLL periodically
to see if it has completed its job and then grab its result by making
another call to it.

So yes, Rev runs synchronously. But your VB program could be running
asynchronously.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Tue Sep 22 10:52:15 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:52:15 -0700
Subject: A Quick Flash
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A7C1@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Richmond Mathewson on Tue Sep 22, 2009 - 05:09 AM CDT
>>>
"Everybody likes a flasher."
[only works in RunRev 4 and "upwards"]
a pain in the bum is that, so far, the COLOROVERLAY stuff
is not properly documented: so pop my script into a button
and muck about with the parameters.
very effective!
<<<

Hey Richmond, check the latest revUp Issue 78, article 2: Advanced
Multimedia with Rev 4.0.
There's not only a video from Ben on this, but also further down in the
article is a script which shows the setting of the "Graphic Effect"
properties.
That may help you to lesson the pain in your bum.

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Sep 22 10:56:11 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:56:11 +0100
Subject: A Quick Flash
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A7C1@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A7C1@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <B829C0CE-7569-4B73-A5D6-7EB97B36B738@azurevision.co.uk>


On 22 Sep 2009, at 15:52, Mark Stuart wrote:

> There's not only a video from Ben on this

As far as I can remember, Richmond was in the audience. ;-)

Ian


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 11:11:34 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:11:34 +0300
Subject: A Quick Flash
In-Reply-To: <B829C0CE-7569-4B73-A5D6-7EB97B36B738@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A7C1@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<B829C0CE-7569-4B73-A5D6-7EB97B36B738@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AB8E926.3070709@gmail.com>

Ian Wood wrote:
>
> On 22 Sep 2009, at 15:52, Mark Stuart wrote:
>
>> There's not only a video from Ben on this
>
> As far as I can remember, Richmond was in the audience. ;-)
>
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
>
You bet; I paid a fair bit of money to be there in Edinburgh,
so you can be absolutely sure I was waggling my ears and
so forth (see ref. below)  when I was there and am now maximising
what I learnt there.

I f you are in any doubt please refer to this:

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-September/127971.html

I have never been the same since . . .    :)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 11:17:07 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:17:07 -0500
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <4AB8A325.2040000@gmail.com>
References: <C6DDE4CE.447E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4AB8A325.2040000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8EA73.60607@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Thank you, but I am by nature a lazy slob and that looks like just
> too much hard work; trapping F keys with rawKeyDown is dead
> easy.

Even easier is trapping the functionKey message. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 11:19:26 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:19:26 +0300
Subject: A Quick Flash
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A7C1@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A7C1@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8EAFE.2070405@gmail.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:
> Written by Richmond Mathewson on Tue Sep 22, 2009 - 05:09 AM CDT
>   
> "Everybody likes a flasher."
> [only works in RunRev 4 and "upwards"]
> a pain in the bum is that, so far, the COLOROVERLAY stuff
> is not properly documented: so pop my script into a button
> and muck about with the parameters.
> very effective!
> <<<
>
> Hey Richmond, check the latest revUp Issue 78, article 2: Advanced
> Multimedia with Rev 4.0.
> There's not only a video from Ben on this, but also further down in the
> article is a script which shows the setting of the "Graphic Effect"
> properties.
> That may help you to lesson the pain in your bum.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
>
>   
While I appreciate your concern about the state of my
bum please refer to this:

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-September/127971.html

I am well aware of the wonderful presentation by
Ben Beaumont and have the stack from his presentation
in a fairly accessible place on my computer.

What I WAS pointing out, was not MY lack of knowledge re
jazzy new optical effects (of which I heartily approve), but
that they have not yet been documented in the inbuilt
documentation,so they are not readily available to
everybody without taking Ben's stack to pieces, which,
while being most instructive, may not be as easy to
understand as full doucmentation.



From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 22 11:29:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:29:33 -1000
Subject: does a script stops at get shell?
In-Reply-To: <E09BB68199CB475081A66096348B38B5@Kestner.local>
References: <250CB0A2-EE8C-44A6-9849-C1F271726B1A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<E09BB68199CB475081A66096348B38B5@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <002501ca3b99$7ceb4930$76c1db90$@com>

Hi again Tiemo,

,
> I am updating files in the program dir. And I am using vbs, because I
> can
> upgrade the user rights to admin with "runas" (on Vista and Win 7),
> what I
> don't know how to do with rev without being virtualized. Is it
> possible?

Yes. I've mentioned this solution before but I will again. Rights in the
Program Files directory of Vista and Windows 7 are inherited. So, because
the rights of the Program Files dir itself are set to Admin only, all
directories under this directory are Admin only.

Now, when you first install your app, you must use an installer. Your
installer must be running as Admin in order to install. Check the
capabilities of your installer. See if it has the ability to set the rights
of a directory. If it does, then when you first install your app, or on an
update, where you use an installer to update your app, set the rights of
"your" program's directory (only!) or a subdirectory of your app's directory
to Everyone. Do not do this for the Program Files directory itself, because
this will unprotect every program's directory under it on your user's
machine!

But, if you set the rights to your own app's directory to Everyone, then
from there on out, your rev app can write to  files in your own app's
directory(s). If you set the rights of the root directory of your app to
Everyone, then all sub-directories of your app inherit and are set to
Everyone. If you just set a subdirectory of your app to Everyone, then your
Rev app will only be able to write to that sub-directory and its
subdirectories.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini









From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Sep 22 12:05:21 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:05:21 +0200
Subject: AW: does a script stops at get shell?
In-Reply-To: <002501ca3b99$7ceb4930$76c1db90$@com>
Message-ID: <4516F10630E64934B220EFA7D3765307@Kestner.local>

Hi Jim,
I must have missed your previous post about this. Great explanation, thank
you for enlightening, I will check my installer (InnoSetup) if it is capable
to set the rights of my dir.
Now I am nevertheless unsure of my further approach, because I can't change
my updater to a rev logic, because with all living installations out there
my prog dir has not the everyone rights. Or I had to change the rights on
that dir in my updater, but that I don't know how to do in my existing
installations.
But nevertheless thank you for your explanations, perhaps I'll find a way.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Bufalini
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. September 2009 17:30
> An: 'How to use Revolution'
> Betreff: RE: does a script stops at get shell?
> 
> Hi again Tiemo,
> 
> ,
> > I am updating files in the program dir. And I am using vbs, because I
> > can
> > upgrade the user rights to admin with "runas" (on Vista and Win 7),
> > what I
> > don't know how to do with rev without being virtualized. Is it
> > possible?
> 
> Yes. I've mentioned this solution before but I will again. Rights in the
> Program Files directory of Vista and Windows 7 are inherited. So, because
> the rights of the Program Files dir itself are set to Admin only, all
> directories under this directory are Admin only.
> 
> Now, when you first install your app, you must use an installer. Your
> installer must be running as Admin in order to install. Check the
> capabilities of your installer. See if it has the ability to set the
> rights
> of a directory. If it does, then when you first install your app, or on an
> update, where you use an installer to update your app, set the rights of
> "your" program's directory (only!) or a subdirectory of your app's
> directory
> to Everyone. Do not do this for the Program Files directory itself,
> because
> this will unprotect every program's directory under it on your user's
> machine!
> 
> But, if you set the rights to your own app's directory to Everyone, then
> from there on out, your rev app can write to  files in your own app's
> directory(s). If you set the rights of the root directory of your app to
> Everyone, then all sub-directories of your app inherit and are set to
> Everyone. If you just set a subdirectory of your app to Everyone, then
> your
> Rev app will only be able to write to that sub-directory and its
> subdirectories.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Sep 22 12:10:50 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:10:50 +0100
Subject: RevMedia - status?
In-Reply-To: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> I just noticed that the copy of RevMedia 4 lurking on my Mac is
> called "dp3" while my preview copy of Studio is "dp4"; am I
> up to date, or, as usual, am I missing something?
I suspect the dp3 is the generally available version, while dp4 (Studio) 
is what you got at the conference.

-- Alex.



From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Tue Sep 22 13:48:57 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:57 +0200
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <018AF763-A563-4B56-9ED2-DD5552621CE6@gmx.net>

Trevor wrote :

 >Otherwise as long as you have > 1 column in your data grid tabbing
 >will just work by default. I just tested by:

 >1) Dragging a data grid table onto a new stack
 >2) Adding two columns worth of data
 >3) Double-clicking on column 1 to edit
 >4) Pressing tab key.

I had also tested it this way. I have just done it again with another  
new mainstack. But the result is different from what you get. At step  
4) the open cell closes, but the next cell does not open.
I then replaced the dataGridLib.rev in my Toolset with a fresh copy I  
had downloaded and now it works as it should. It has happened before  
to me that the dataGridLib.rev  somehow got a bit off and after  
replacing it was ok again. I didn't think it would be the case this  
time as all other datagrid stuff worked beautifully.

So problem solved,

best, Beat




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 14:04:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:04:00 +0300
Subject: Script Editor - slight snag
Message-ID: <4AB91190.1010203@gmail.com>

When I was working with DreamCard 2.6.1
(i.e. until sometime in August) I could open
the script of 2 objects side by side for
comparison purposes or otherwise.

This doesn't seem possible in RR 4.

It seems that there is only one script-editor
window.

Am I missing something?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 16:09:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:09:08 +0300
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <4AB8EA73.60607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C6DDE4CE.447E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4AB8A325.2040000@gmail.com>
	<4AB8EA73.60607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4AB92EE4.1030605@gmail.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Thank you, but I am by nature a lazy slob and that looks like just
>> too much hard work; trapping F keys with rawKeyDown is dead
>> easy.
>
> Even easier is trapping the functionKey message. ;)
>
BUT; as well as being a lazy slob, I am also bloody-minded:

my Mac keyboard has F keys from 1 to 16 but the RunRev
documentation states this:

"Keyboards typically have twelve function keys, so you can use
numbers from 1 to 12 to implement custom actions."

While this is generally true (the keyboard on my P4 Ubuntu has
12 keys), the Keyneeds keyboards I use in my school has NO
F keys:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=electronics-uk&field-keywords=KEYNEEDS

However (Totally OT), I was impressed that Amazon managed to get
me a Keyneeds keyboard from England to Bulgaria in 72 hours!!!


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Tue Sep 22 16:17:38 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:17:38 +0200
Subject: Script Editor - slight snag
Message-ID: <4AB930E2.9080205@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Tue Sep 22, 2009, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathewson at gmail.com 
wrote:

> When I was working with DreamCard 2.6.1
> (i.e. until sometime in August) I could open
> the script of 2 objects side by side for
> comparison purposes or otherwise.
>
> This doesn't seem possible in RR 4.
>
> It seems that there is only one script-editor
> window.
>
> Am I missing something?


I filed a bug report about this on Sept. 14.

See

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8272>

Another issue when using the script editor is that the tools stack can 
vanish when editing a script and can only be brought to life again when 
you type "choose browse tool" into the message box. This happens if you 
do not click at the "compile" button, but close the script editor with 
the "close" icon.

Richmond, be so kind as to file this special bug?

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke

          


From gjbalzano at ucsd.edu  Tue Sep 22 17:13:26 2009
From: gjbalzano at ucsd.edu (Jerry Balzano)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:13:26 -0700
Subject: Java applets & Revlets
Message-ID: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>

I hope this isn't too bizarre a request.

I want a Revlet to be able to control which of several (pre-made) Java  
applets a user sees.  How would one do this?  Is it possible to embed  
a Java applet inside a Revlet?

I was looking through previous messages to see if this question had  
been asked previously and I learned (a little) about a stack property  
called the revletParams, but I don't know how or if it would apply  
here.  For example, would one stick the whole string
<applet code="org.nlogo.window.Applet"
         archive="NetLogoLite.jar"
         width="460" height="280">
   <param name="DefaultModel"
          value="Tag.nlogo">
</applet>
inside the revletParams?  (And then what?)

Sorry for the painfully naive nature of these questions, but this is  
all untrodden ground for me.

Thanks,
Jerry Balzano

From R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk  Tue Sep 22 18:42:18 2009
From: R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk (Beynon, Rob)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:42:18 +0100
Subject: Simple datagrid question
Message-ID: <C44B5DFF915AF642996C774C36E18E725CC27A93F6@STAFFMBX1.livad.liv.ac.uk>

I have a nascent application that uses datagrids and in which I would like to set the highlited property of specific rows or even the whole datagrid within the program. I can't seem to work out how to approach this. Help much appreciated.
Thanks
Rob


This email was sent on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 23:41:56.



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 22 20:46:20 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:46:20 -0400
Subject: Simple datagrid question
In-Reply-To: <C44B5DFF915AF642996C774C36E18E725CC27A93F6@STAFFMBX1.livad.liv.ac.uk>
References: <C44B5DFF915AF642996C774C36E18E725CC27A93F6@STAFFMBX1.livad.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <0E9A3EC8-10AD-444D-A27B-5DDEDCF01374@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Beynon, Rob wrote:

> I have a nascent application that uses datagrids and in which I  
> would like to set the highlited property of specific rows or even  
> the whole datagrid within the program. I can't seem to work out how  
> to approach this. Help much appreciated.

This lesson shows how to get the hilited lines using the  
dgHilitedLines property. Just use set instead of get to set the  
dgHilitedLines.

How Do I Determine The Selected Line?: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3483-How-Do-I-Determine-The-Selected-Line- 
 >

The API is here where you can find an explanation of dgHilitedLines.

Data Grid API: <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3461-Data-Grid-API 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 20:58:14 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:58:14 +1000
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
Message-ID: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>

Daring Fireball has an interesting article discussing the pros & cons
of the various methods of distributing Mac apps.
<http://daringfireball.net/2009/09/how_should_mac_apps_be_distributed>

In response, someone else posted a complementary idea, having the app
offering to move itself to the Applications folder if it is launched
from any other folder.
<http://www.potionfactory.com/node/251>

In previous posts to this list, I have always recommended the people
distribute Mac apps on a disk image, but after reading these, I am
seriously considering going to just a plain zip file.
I'm not sure about offering to move an app that isn't inside an
Applications folder. I have sub-folders inside my Apps folder and I
know other people use the user's Apps folder instead of the general
Apps folder, so there are more considerations there.

Still, interesting to consider it all.

Cheers,
Sarah


From gjbalzano at ucsd.edu  Tue Sep 22 21:22:05 2009
From: gjbalzano at ucsd.edu (Jerry Balzano)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:22:05 -0700
Subject: RevMedia - status?
In-Reply-To: <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>

Actually I just re-downloaded Rev Media today and the version is dp4.

Jerry

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> I just noticed that the copy of RevMedia 4 lurking on my Mac is
>> called "dp3" while my preview copy of Studio is "dp4"; am I
>> up to date, or, as usual, am I missing something?
> I suspect the dp3 is the generally available version, while dp4  
> (Studio)
> is what you got at the conference.
>
> -- Alex.
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Sep 22 21:59:29 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Stupid Send in Time Question
In-Reply-To: <2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221848340.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hello,

After not really using Rev for 3 years and finding myself with time on my 
hands, I decided to get reacquainted.

So, I'm taking little baby steps, trying to remember what little I knew 
three years ago.

I'm trying to do a timed presentation of images onscreen, so I end up with 
45 lines of script in which pretty much every other line is a wait 
statement (do something, wait, do something, wait).

Someone suggested I break the handler up into a bunch of little 
sub-handlers and use send in time and, remembering the oft-repeated list 
admonition to do this, I sat down to think about it.

But I don't get it.  This will result in a script that's orders of 
magnitude larger as each showing will need to have its own subhandler for 
the sending in time.

If I'm the only person running the stack in the IDE, is there any other 
benefit to be gained by adding all those additional lines other than not 
locking up the IDE when running the stack there?  Is there some 
better way to do it?

Kindest thanks,

Judy


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 22:07:19 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:07:19 +1000
Subject: Stupid Send in Time Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221848340.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221848340.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909221907u2fa93195o60a6dcb5916ba6eb@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm trying to do a timed presentation of images onscreen, so I end up with
> 45 lines of script in which pretty much every other line is a wait statement
> (do something, wait, do something, wait).
>
> Someone suggested I break the handler up into a bunch of little sub-handlers
> and use send in time and, remembering the oft-repeated list admonition to do
> this, I sat down to think about it.
>
> But I don't get it. ?This will result in a script that's orders of magnitude
> larger as each showing will need to have its own subhandler for the sending
> in time.
>
> If I'm the only person running the stack in the IDE, is there any other
> benefit to be gained by adding all those additional lines other than not
> locking up the IDE when running the stack there? ?Is there some better way
> to do it?

if you use "wait with messages", then it won't be too bad, as the
interface will not appear to be frozen i.e. the window can be moved
around the screen etc.
Resizing will not work as the resizeStack message will not be sent
until after your loop.

The "send in time" method can be done in a couple of ways.
You can have a series of handlers, with the last line of each doing
the send in time.
Or you can have a single handler with a script local or global
containing a counter. The handle could check the value of this
counter, so something based on the value, increment the counter, then
"send in time" back to the original handler.

However, if this is just a slideshow type thing, how about putting
each image on a new card, and using a handler like this:
command nextSlide
   go next card
   send "nextSlide" to me in 10 seconds
end nextSlide

Any additional scripting needed could be in the preOpenCard or
openCard handler for each card.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Sep 22 22:50:44 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:50:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Stupid Send in Time Question
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909221907u2fa93195o60a6dcb5916ba6eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221848340.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<f99b52860909221907u2fa93195o60a6dcb5916ba6eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221947320.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thank you, Sarah.

So, do I have this properly?:

If I used my brain and came up with an intelligent naming system for my 
images I could use a loop, but, I didn't and so I won't;

It's not a slideshow, so that's out;

and, that leaves

Use wait with messages... think I'll go with that!

Thank you again!

Judy



On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> if you use "wait with messages", then it won't be too bad, as the
> interface will not appear to be frozen i.e. the window can be moved
> around the screen etc.
> Resizing will not work as the resizeStack message will not be sent
> until after your loop.
>
> The "send in time" method can be done in a couple of ways.
> You can have a series of handlers, with the last line of each doing
> the send in time.
> Or you can have a single handler with a script local or global
> containing a counter. The handle could check the value of this
> counter, so something based on the value, increment the counter, then
> "send in time" back to the original handler.
>
> However, if this is just a slideshow type thing, how about putting
> each image on a new card, and using a handler like this:
> command nextSlide
>   go next card
>   send "nextSlide" to me in 10 seconds
> end nextSlide
>
> Any additional scripting needed could be in the preOpenCard or
> openCard handler for each card.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 22:54:13 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:54:13 -0500
Subject: Script Editor - slight snag
In-Reply-To: <4AB91190.1010203@gmail.com>
References: <4AB91190.1010203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB98DD5.6020600@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> When I was working with DreamCard 2.6.1
> (i.e. until sometime in August) I could open
> the script of 2 objects side by side for
> comparison purposes or otherwise.
> 
> This doesn't seem possible in RR 4.
> 
> It seems that there is only one script-editor
> window.
> 
> Am I missing something?

Yeah. ;) Each script opens in a new tab. Right-click on a tab and choose 
"Move to new window."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 22:57:25 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:57:25 -0500
Subject: F keys cross-platform?
In-Reply-To: <4AB92EE4.1030605@gmail.com>
References: <C6DDE4CE.447E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4AB8A325.2040000@gmail.com>	<4AB8EA73.60607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4AB92EE4.1030605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB98E95.2020008@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> my Mac keyboard has F keys from 1 to 16 but the RunRev
> documentation states this:
> 
> "Keyboards typically have twelve function keys, so you can use
> numbers from 1 to 12 to implement custom actions."

You can use higher numbers. Mine seems to work up to 16. The ones that 
Apple usurped don't ever get to Rev though; the OS catches them first.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 22:58:56 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:58:56 -0500
Subject: Script Editor - slight snag
In-Reply-To: <4AB930E2.9080205@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4AB930E2.9080205@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <4AB98EF0.7010004@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> Another issue when using the script editor is that the tools stack can 
> vanish when editing a script and can only be brought to life again when 
> you type "choose browse tool" into the message box. This happens if you 
> do not click at the "compile" button, but close the script editor with 
> the "close" icon.

In Preferences, in the Script Editor pane, do you have "Hide palettes" 
unchecked?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 23:00:27 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:00:27 -0500
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB98F4B.3030408@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> In response, someone else posted a complementary idea, having the app
> offering to move itself to the Applications folder if it is launched
> from any other folder.
> <http://www.potionfactory.com/node/251>

I recently installed an app that did that. I didn't like it, I had 
installed it in a different folder on purpose. Fortunately it only 
bugged me once about it on first launch.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 00:18:57 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:18:57 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
Message-ID: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>

I have decided to release this now due to the feedback received in  
regards to the "dirty" document flag..

MacWindows 1.0.0 (005)
External to give Revolution applications a more Mac-like experience.  
The name comes from the Carbon header file that the majority of the  
features are called from.

Features:
- Toggle the "dirty" (modified) document flag  < http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png 
  >
- Check the "dirty" (modified) status of a window
- Set a proxy icon < http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png >
- Set the title bar for palettes on the left side < http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows3.png 
  >
- Bring all your application windows to the front
- Remove the thick border and rounded corners on metal/texture windows
- more to come in future builds

Requirements:
Rev 3.5 or greater (it will probably work in older version, I just  
have not tested yet)
Mac OS X 10.4 or greater
PPC or Intel (compiled as a universal binary)

Usage:
- IDE and personal use applications do not require a license
- All other usage requires it to be licensed (5USD for a one-time,  
lifetime, unlimited use license)

Link < http://revdevelop.com/categories/Developer_Tools/Externals/ssMacWindows 
  >
Contact < support at shaosean.tk >


FAQ
Q: I keep clicking the "windowSetTitlebarOnSide" button and nothing is  
happening, what gives?
A: The "windowSetTitlebarOnSide" only works on palette windows

Q: Does the experimental "modWindow" button have the same limits?
A: Depends on what code is being experimented on. In build 005 it will  
only modify metal/texture windows.

Q: This external doesn't do too much, how come you are charging for it?
A: Currently the external only does a few things, but over time new  
features will be added to it. I decided to charge for it for a couple  
of reasons:
	1) writing externals is a pain
	2) no job and I like to eat and pay rent

Q: Will you be adding in <insert feature here>?
A: Depends. If it is something that can be written into an external;  
within my capabilities to add; and fits in with the over all theme of  
the external then yes I will.

Q: Any other externals planned?
A: Yes. ^_^


From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Sep 23 00:24:29 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:24:29 -0700
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <12B1C544-09CC-4CE2-BEBD-0C7FF5FC682D@mac.com>

Shao,

I see how to download it but I don't see how to buy it.

Thanks for making this.

Bill Vlahos

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> I have decided to release this now due to the feedback received in  
> regards to the "dirty" document flag..
>
> MacWindows 1.0.0 (005)
> External to give Revolution applications a more Mac-like experience.  
> The name comes from the Carbon header file that the majority of the  
> features are called from.
>
> Features:
> - Toggle the "dirty" (modified) document flag  < http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png 
>  >
> - Check the "dirty" (modified) status of a window
> - Set a proxy icon < http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png >
> - Set the title bar for palettes on the left side < http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows3.png 
>  >
> - Bring all your application windows to the front
> - Remove the thick border and rounded corners on metal/texture windows
> - more to come in future builds
>
> Requirements:
> Rev 3.5 or greater (it will probably work in older version, I just  
> have not tested yet)
> Mac OS X 10.4 or greater
> PPC or Intel (compiled as a universal binary)
>
> Usage:
> - IDE and personal use applications do not require a license
> - All other usage requires it to be licensed (5USD for a one-time,  
> lifetime, unlimited use license)
>
> Link < http://revdevelop.com/categories/Developer_Tools/Externals/ssMacWindows 
>  >
> Contact < support at shaosean.tk >
>
>
> FAQ
> Q: I keep clicking the "windowSetTitlebarOnSide" button and nothing  
> is happening, what gives?
> A: The "windowSetTitlebarOnSide" only works on palette windows
>
> Q: Does the experimental "modWindow" button have the same limits?
> A: Depends on what code is being experimented on. In build 005 it  
> will only modify metal/texture windows.
>
> Q: This external doesn't do too much, how come you are charging for  
> it?
> A: Currently the external only does a few things, but over time new  
> features will be added to it. I decided to charge for it for a  
> couple of reasons:
> 	1) writing externals is a pain
> 	2) no job and I like to eat and pay rent
>
> Q: Will you be adding in <insert feature here>?
> A: Depends. If it is something that can be written into an external;  
> within my capabilities to add; and fits in with the over all theme  
> of the external then yes I will.
>
> Q: Any other externals planned?
> A: Yes. ^_^
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn  Wed Sep 23 00:39:38 2009
From: nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn (Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:39:38 +0700
Subject: Lost focus after import snapshot
Message-ID: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1AE5679@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>

Hi guys,

 

Please kindly help me with this case. Is there anyone meet the same
issue before? I have a piece code as below

 

   import snapshot from rectangle tRect of cd 1 of stack tStackname

   get the id of the last image of cd 1 of stack tStackname 

   put it into tImageID

   set the backgroundpattern of cd fld "dbGrid" of cd 1 of stack
tStackname to tImageID

 

The issue is I can't click on each line of fld "dbGrid" after running
this code. It seem that fld "dbGrid" has lost focus

 

Please help

 

Many thanks and regards,

 

Nhan

 

 



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Sep 23 00:38:35 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:38:35 -0400
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <541F4E5C-4626-4836-B78F-E05EC16FE1BE@mac.com>

Why not store the mp3s in custom properties inside a stack for download.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Paris,
>
> I have a Revolution demonstration program that I want to show to  
> potential buyers. The demo stack is called by a Mac or PC  
> SplashStack, so I effectively have two stacks.
> I could send it by CD, but this takes time, but it would be so nice  
> to allow them to download it from my On-Rev server. The program  
> displays lots of text and graphics (all internal), so no problem  
> there, However, the user can play any of a large number of MP3 song  
> files, which are in an external (to the Rev program) folder, also on  
> the server.
>
> Can I play an MP3 file in the user computer from a folder on the On- 
> Rev server, or download it (about 5 megs) first, and then play it ?
>
> Because this would make all of our song files available (not very  
> intelligent), I would like to modify my splashstack to ask for a  
> password, and only download the music to accepted users.
>
> And finally, how does the user download my program (Mac or PC  
> version) from the On-Rev server ? It might seem easy to some of you,  
> but I've never done this before !!
>
> This represents rather a lot of questions, but if I get answers  
> here, I promise to go away and not bother you guys for a long time :>)
>
> May I add that these are the sort of answers which I would love to  
> find in a Rev cook-book.
>
> OSX Leopard, Rev 3.0, build 750, On-Rev access.
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
>
>
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 00:42:06 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:42:06 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
Message-ID: <E7C63DBD-8D60-4BE8-8DF6-44CC2A68D5A2@wehostmacs.com>

> I see how to download it but I don't see how to buy it.

ahh yes.. how to get your money into my pocket ;-)  umm.. paypal  
donate button on my site < http://shaosean.tk >  (guess i need to do a  
little more planning out for the next external)..
-Sean


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 01:00:18 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:00:18 +1000
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
In-Reply-To: <4AB98F4B.3030408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB98F4B.3030408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909222200i60fe3103mcc2208449d21910b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> In response, someone else posted a complementary idea, having the app
>> offering to move itself to the Applications folder if it is launched
>> from any other folder.
>> <http://www.potionfactory.com/node/251>
>
> I recently installed an app that did that. I didn't like it, I had installed
> it in a different folder on purpose. Fortunately it only bugged me once
> about it on first launch.

Perhaps a neater method would be to offer to move it only if it was
being launched from the Downloads folder.

Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 01:16:36 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:16:36 +0300
Subject: RevMedia - status?
In-Reply-To: <2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <4AB9AF34.5000102@gmail.com>

Jerry Balzano wrote:
> Actually I just re-downloaded Rev Media today and the version is dp4.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>> I just noticed that the copy of RevMedia 4 lurking on my Mac is
>>> called "dp3" while my preview copy of Studio is "dp4"; am I
>>> up to date, or, as usual, am I missing something?
>> I suspect the dp3 is the generally available version, while dp4 (Studio)
>> is what you got at the conference.
>>
>> -- Alex.
>>
A silent upgrade?  Just redownloading RevMedia myself.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 01:20:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:20:08 +0300
Subject: Script Editor - slight snag
In-Reply-To: <4AB98DD5.6020600@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4AB91190.1010203@gmail.com> <4AB98DD5.6020600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4AB9B008.6000706@gmail.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> When I was working with DreamCard 2.6.1
>> (i.e. until sometime in August) I could open
>> the script of 2 objects side by side for
>> comparison purposes or otherwise.
>>
>> This doesn't seem possible in RR 4.
>>
>> It seems that there is only one script-editor
>> window.
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>
> Yeah. ;) Each script opens in a new tab. Right-click on a tab and 
> choose "Move to new window."
>
Yeah, ;)  Guess peering at all those complicated Sanskrit squiggles
has made my eyes go funny . . .  :)

It is like a lot of things, with RunRev and others; once you know
you feel a bloody fool that you didn't see it first of all.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 01:24:55 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:24:55 +0300
Subject: RevMedia - status?
In-Reply-To: <2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <4AB9B127.8030505@gmail.com>

Jerry Balzano wrote:
> Actually I just re-downloaded Rev Media today and the version is dp4.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>> I just noticed that the copy of RevMedia 4 lurking on my Mac is
>>> called "dp3" while my preview copy of Studio is "dp4"; am I
>>> up to date, or, as usual, am I missing something?
>> I suspect the dp3 is the generally available version, while dp4 (Studio)
>> is what you got at the conference.
>>
>> -- Alex.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
Yes, the Mac variant of RevMedia is now dp-4; the Linux one is still dp-3.

However, I don't see myself spending donkey's ages working out what
the changes are between dp-3 and dp-4.


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 03:07:23 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:07:23 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
Message-ID: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>

I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a comment  
on page..
http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev

part of the instructions say
   'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you would  
like to take it apart and look at how everything has been done.'

but nothing says how to do it.
Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?

Thanks,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Wed Sep 23 03:28:32 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:28:32 +0100
Subject: Stupid Send in Time Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221947320.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221848340.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<f99b52860909221907u2fa93195o60a6dcb5916ba6eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0909221947320.12431@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <2F9EF656-7A05-497B-85B4-414F96186163@liverpool.ac.uk>

Hi Judy,
how about putting the names of all of your images as comma separated  
items in a list, and then retrieving one item after the other?
You could use a loop there.

On 23 Sep 2009, at 03:50, Judy Perry wrote:

> Thank you, Sarah.
>
> So, do I have this properly?:
>
> If I used my brain and came up with an intelligent naming system for  
> my
> images I could use a loop, but, I didn't and so I won't;
>
> It's not a slideshow, so that's out;
>
> and, that leaves
>
> Use wait with messages... think I'll go with that!
>
> Thank you again!
>
> Judy
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> if you use "wait with messages", then it won't be too bad, as the
>> interface will not appear to be frozen i.e. the window can be moved
>> around the screen etc.
>> Resizing will not work as the resizeStack message will not be sent
>> until after your loop.
>>
>> The "send in time" method can be done in a couple of ways.
>> You can have a series of handlers, with the last line of each doing
>> the send in time.
>> Or you can have a single handler with a script local or global
>> containing a counter. The handle could check the value of this
>> counter, so something based on the value, increment the counter, then
>> "send in time" back to the original handler.
>>
>> However, if this is just a slideshow type thing, how about putting
>> each image on a new card, and using a handler like this:
>> command nextSlide
>>  go next card
>>  send "nextSlide" to me in 10 seconds
>> end nextSlide
>>
>> Any additional scripting needed could be in the preOpenCard or
>> openCard handler for each card.
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07976 983164
Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton  
Street
Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this  
ointment.






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 23 03:39:14 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:39:14 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909230039p159b617ar4ed0182c5d3ed350@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, I never saw the download either. One can't scrape the code off of the
screen either - it's a graphic. But the examples aren't that hard to just
write out.
Quite frankly I think you'd be happier checking out the Troz site (Sarah).

http://www.troz.net/onrev/

great stuff. All the scripts are there. All tested and works.

Another fine example is John Craig's splash21 CMS.
http://splash21.on-rev.com/index.irev

Finally Andre has a Wordpress type blog that works well.
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/cms.irev

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/23 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>

> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a comment on
> page..
> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
>
> part of the instructions say
>  'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you would like
> to take it apart and look at how everything has been done.'
>
> but nothing says how to do it.
> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Sep 23 03:39:15 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:39:15 +0000
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
Message-ID: <00038CFD.4AB9ECC1@the-office.us>

Hi Jim,

that?s a good question. I ran into this some time ago, too. But forgot to ask support, where to download this sample site. So maybe it would be a good thing to send an email to support at on-rev.com to ask them.

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download (23-Sep-2009 9:12)
From:    Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a comment  
> on page..
> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
> 
> part of the instructions say
>    'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you would  
> like to take it apart and look at how everything has been done.'
> 
> but nothing says how to do it.
> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com




From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Sep 23 03:40:25 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:40:25 +0200
Subject: Script Editor - slight snag
Message-ID: <4AB9D0E9.80401@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote (Tue Sep 22 21:58:56 
CDT 2009):

 
> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
> > Another issue when using the script editor is that the tools stack can
> > vanish when editing a script and can only be brought to life again when
> > you type "choose browse tool" into the message box. This happens if you
> > do not click at the "compile" button, but close the script editor with
> > the "close" icon.
>
> In Preferences, in the Script Editor pane, do you have "Hide palettes"
> unchecked?


I did not change anything in preferences, I just used the default 
setting which has "Hide Palettes" and "Hide Message Box" checked "when 
editing scripts". But even with these settings the tools stack should 
reappear after closing the script editor - which it does not, unless you 
click at the "compile" button first!

So this is still a bug!

I understand that Rev developers try to make life for users more 
comfortable, but contrary to their intentions sometimes make things more 
complicated.
The default setting should in any case be the other way round.-

The same holds for the other issue Richmond raised - now having only one 
script editor open at the same time as the default.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep 23 03:47:26 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:47:26 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <1460EB53-7CBD-4AAB-A532-A24B38E6EA98@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Sean,

> I have decided to release this now due to the feedback received in  
> regards to the "dirty" document flag..
> MacWindows 1.0.0 (005)
> External to give Revolution applications a more Mac-like experience.  
> The name comes from the Carbon header file that the majority of the  
> features are called from.
> ...

Way cool, hope I will find the time to play with it a bit.

Could you please add a "PkgInfo" -> BNDL???? file
to the bundle so it will appear as one file on the Mac?

Thanks.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep 23 03:56:23 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:56:23 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <20090923074736.0961248BB10@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090923074736.0961248BB10@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BC65259B-C65C-4725-B2A9-71F73496D1BB@derbrill.de>

You da man, you rule thankyouthankyouthankyou.

Pennies sent. What a cool add on if you are serious to get a HIG  
compliant look and feel. Can?t wait to see what else you will be adding.

Cheers,

Malte
--
Malte Pfaff-Brill
CEO derbrill Multimedia
CTO awesome mega mighty games
VAT ID DE223571286
Tel: +49 4331 337 977 7
email: info at derbrill.de
             malte at awesomemegamightygames.com



From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Sep 23 04:16:48 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:16:48 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2E63D77E-0B22-4441-BCFA-A7BAC5C8640C@pacifier.com>

I answered that question for Mac users in the OnRev forum and left
a link to a program named BlueCrab that will download the whole
site plus it has instructions which type of code will work properly
after downloading and if not why it might not work.

If you are not using a Mac I am sure there are similar programs for
your type of computer that will download it for you.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a  
> comment on page..
> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
>
> part of the instructions say
>   'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you  
> would like to take it apart and look at how everything has been done.'
>
> but nothing says how to do it.
> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 04:28:44 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:28:44 +0300
Subject: RevMedia - status?
In-Reply-To: <2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
References: <4AB890C1.8020705@gmail.com> <4AB8F70A.6050002@tweedly.net>
	<2889E8B2-06C4-46FA-A5D6-924618B3B1A8@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <4AB9DC3C.5020602@gmail.com>

Jerry Balzano wrote:
> Actually I just re-downloaded Rev Media today and the version is dp4.
>
> Jerry
>
The difference, and is a huge difference, between dp3 and dp4
is that dp4 has the Graphic Effects I mentioned in my posting
about flashes: dp3 cannot do these things.


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 04:56:03 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:56:03 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
Message-ID: <14B730D2-2290-48E0-9ECF-5AD12F241ACF@wehostmacs.com>

> Could you please add a "PkgInfo" -> BNDL???? file to the bundle so  
> it will appear as one file on the Mac?

It does appear as a single file here but I will look into this issue  
further.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep 23 04:59:36 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:59:36 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <14B730D2-2290-48E0-9ECF-5AD12F241ACF@wehostmacs.com>
References: <14B730D2-2290-48E0-9ECF-5AD12F241ACF@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <7A0A6629-C6BE-4660-9829-C11B0B0B5492@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Sean,

>> Could you please add a "PkgInfo" -> BNDL???? file to the bundle so  
>> it will appear as one file on the Mac?
> It does appear as a single file here

but not here :-)

> but I will look into this issue further.

After adding the file it immedaitely appeared as one file here.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 07:41:48 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:41:48 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <2E63D77E-0B22-4441-BCFA-A7BAC5C8640C@pacifier.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
	<2E63D77E-0B22-4441-BCFA-A7BAC5C8640C@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <14FEF2D8-CBB8-4659-B392-0B87A718EB95@yahoo.com>

Thanks for the note, I am on OSX, so BlueCrab is a great tip!!

Also, you brought up the OnRev forum, which is another question.
When I go to the forum at
http://forums.on-rev.com/
        it says "This board has no forums."

It seems like many logical starting points for learning OnRev are not  
on that site or difficult to find.
Is there something I am missing?
The link to BlueCrab would be nice to follow.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:16 AM, -= JB =- wrote:

> I answered that question for Mac users in the OnRev forum and left
> a link to a program named BlueCrab that will download the whole
> site plus it has instructions which type of code will work properly
> after downloading and if not why it might not work.
>
> If you are not using a Mac I am sure there are similar programs for
> your type of computer that will download it for you.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a  
>> comment on page..
>> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
>>
>> part of the instructions say
>>  'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you  
>> would like to take it apart and look at how everything has been  
>> done.'
>>
>> but nothing says how to do it.
>> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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Jim Ault
jimaultwins at yahoo.com





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 08:09:05 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:09:05 +1000
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <14FEF2D8-CBB8-4659-B392-0B87A718EB95@yahoo.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
	<2E63D77E-0B22-4441-BCFA-A7BAC5C8640C@pacifier.com>
	<14FEF2D8-CBB8-4659-B392-0B87A718EB95@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909230509w2fcb1ecbx6f612a31acb2c9b4@mail.gmail.com>

> Also, you brought up the OnRev forum, which is another question.
> When I go to the forum at
> http://forums.on-rev.com/
> ? ? ? it says "This board has no forums."

I've noticed that it says that unless you are logged in.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Sep 23 08:25:04 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:25:04 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <1460EB53-7CBD-4AAB-A532-A24B38E6EA98@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
	<1460EB53-7CBD-4AAB-A532-A24B38E6EA98@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F7EAF9F1-1F53-4137-B284-A41674CF9BCB@mac.com>

The rest of the externals in my MyRevolution Externals folder  
are .bundles and not single files. Is that the case for others?

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Sep 23, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
>> I have decided to release this now due to the feedback received in  
>> regards to the "dirty" document flag..
>> MacWindows 1.0.0 (005)
>> External to give Revolution applications a more Mac-like  
>> experience. The name comes from the Carbon header file that the  
>> majority of the features are called from.
>> ...
>
> Way cool, hope I will find the time to play with it a bit.
>
> Could you please add a "PkgInfo" -> BNDL???? file
> to the bundle so it will appear as one file on the Mac?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 23 08:25:24 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:25:24 +0200
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Francis,

You can set a password for a directory and prevent downloading the MP3  
files without password. For a demo, you could use small 20 seconds  
fragments of the same MP3 files and put those into a different,  
unprotected directory. You can download the files using a put URL  
command. Put the MP3 files into the application data folder on Windows  
and the application support folder on Mac.

If you are able to build standalones, you can make a zip file of the  
standalone and upload it. Just point to the zip file in e-mails and  
html files to allow people to download the standalone.

It would help potential customers very much if you provided an (.exe)  
installer for Windows, which installs the standalone automatically.  
For Mac users, just put all files inside the application package of  
the standalone and tell them to copy the entire thing into their  
application folder.

Btw, if you have more than 1 server, you can write a simple irev  
script to randomly write out HTML files with links to different  
mirrors. That might spread your bandwidth.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 22 sep 2009, at 12:42, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Paris,
>
> I have a Revolution demonstration program that I want to show to  
> potential buyers. The demo stack is called by a Mac or PC  
> SplashStack, so I effectively have two stacks.
> I could send it by CD, but this takes time, but it would be so nice  
> to allow them to download it from my On-Rev server. The program  
> displays lots of text and graphics (all internal), so no problem  
> there, However, the user can play any of a large number of MP3 song  
> files, which are in an external (to the Rev program) folder, also on  
> the server.
>
> Can I play an MP3 file in the user computer from a folder on the On- 
> Rev server, or download it (about 5 megs) first, and then play it ?
>
> Because this would make all of our song files available (not very  
> intelligent), I would like to modify my splashstack to ask for a  
> password, and only download the music to accepted users.
>
> And finally, how does the user download my program (Mac or PC  
> version) from the On-Rev server ? It might seem easy to some of you,  
> but I've never done this before !!
>
> This represents rather a lot of questions, but if I get answers  
> here, I promise to go away and not bother you guys for a long time :>)
>
> May I add that these are the sort of answers which I would love to  
> find in a Rev cook-book.
>
> OSX Leopard, Rev 3.0, build 750, On-Rev access.
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
>



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 23 08:29:00 2009
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:29:00 +0100
Subject: DataGrids: dgDataOfIndex calls "FillinData" twice?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909230529w75f5066fo50a840b15c550d8c@mail.gmail.com>

I guess this is a question for you Trevor :)

In trying to debug an interface that makes asynchronous calls to update a
datagrid I tacked donw the following feature / aspect of using:

set the dgDataOfIndex [indexNum] of grp "Datagrid" to recordArray

And that is that it calls you user defined "FillinData" twice, while:

set the dgData of grp "Datagrid" to dgArray

call "FillinData"  only once.

Tracking this down using the executioncontexts it seems that "set the
dgDataOfIndex" first calls the handlers that "set the dgData" does and then
in addition an extra:

_RefreshIndexes
> _UpdateIndexWithNewData
> FillInData
>

resulting in a second call to "FillInData".

In my case where I have a lot of action updating individual lines of the
datagrid each second, I want to do this as fast as possible and also to
avoid possible recursion with the async loads. It would help greatly to
understand why "FillInData" needs to be called twice with "set the
dgDataOfIndex" and therefore what my handler should do with each call.


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 08:37:17 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:37:17 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
Message-ID: <6DD99629-4EF3-40C6-ADA9-22A1FFF0F190@wehostmacs.com>

Updated the download file to include that PkgInfo file as per Klaus'  
bug report.

-Sean


From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Sep 23 08:41:39 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:41:39 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <14FEF2D8-CBB8-4659-B392-0B87A718EB95@yahoo.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
	<2E63D77E-0B22-4441-BCFA-A7BAC5C8640C@pacifier.com>
	<14FEF2D8-CBB8-4659-B392-0B87A718EB95@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E3643EE9-5DBA-4E6F-8E2F-12B2A46A7FD3@pacifier.com>

Blue Crab is made by Limit Point Software.  When I went to the forum
I did not find my message but I didn't look real hard so it may still be
there.  It will be listed under the user name sundown.

I started my version of Blue Crab and looked for updates and it was
not able to find the server for some reason.  I do not know if they are
out of business but when I access their site it says GONE from this
server..  If you can find Blue Crab it is a good program and only cost
around $25.

Another place to look is Pure-Mac

http://www.pure-mac.com/

check under WWW which is on the far right and click on Page Rippers.
Blue Crab is listed there but the link is the same as I have and is GONE
but they list other programs that do the same thing.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 23, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Thanks for the note, I am on OSX, so BlueCrab is a great tip!!
>
> Also, you brought up the OnRev forum, which is another question.
> When I go to the forum at
> http://forums.on-rev.com/
>        it says "This board has no forums."
>
> It seems like many logical starting points for learning OnRev are  
> not on that site or difficult to find.
> Is there something I am missing?
> The link to BlueCrab would be nice to follow.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:16 AM, -= JB =- wrote:
>
>> I answered that question for Mac users in the OnRev forum and left
>> a link to a program named BlueCrab that will download the whole
>> site plus it has instructions which type of code will work properly
>> after downloading and if not why it might not work.
>>
>> If you are not using a Mac I am sure there are similar programs for
>> your type of computer that will download it for you.
>>
>> -=>JB<=-
>>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>>
>>> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a  
>>> comment on page..
>>> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
>>>
>>> part of the instructions say
>>>  'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you  
>>> would like to take it apart and look at how everything has been  
>>> done.'
>>>
>>> but nothing says how to do it.
>>> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jim Ault
>>> Las Vegas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> Jim Ault
> jimaultwins at yahoo.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Sep 23 09:29:37 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:29:37 -1000
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>

Hi Mark,

> Btw, if you have more than 1 server, you can write a simple irev
> script to randomly write out HTML files with links to different
> mirrors. That might spread your bandwidth.

By this, I assume you mean when a user requests to download, the suggested
site to download from varies either randomly or by proximity of server IP
address to the user's IP address.

Do you know a way, simple or not, ;-) to populate "mirrors" (other
commercial shared server services you may have) with your download, directly
from on-Rev, using an irev script? Obviously, from a client, you can write a
Rev script to FTP up to multiple servers. But I'm wondering if you have a
way to populate other servers with your to be downloaded files, directly
from on-Rev, once the file(s) have been uploaded there.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 23 10:25:59 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:25:59 -0400
Subject: DataGrids: dgDataOfIndex calls "FillinData" twice?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909230529w75f5066fo50a840b15c550d8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0909230529w75f5066fo50a840b15c550d8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DE4961D-2FF1-40C3-BBC8-167B75B88147@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> I guess this is a question for you Trevor :)
>
> In trying to debug an interface that makes asynchronous calls to  
> update a
> datagrid I tacked donw the following feature / aspect of using:
>
> set the dgDataOfIndex [indexNum] of grp "Datagrid" to recordArray
>
> And that is that it calls you user defined "FillinData" twice, while:
>
> set the dgData of grp "Datagrid" to dgArray
>
> call "FillinData"  only once.

When you update the data for a row in a Data Grid with rows of varying  
height the data grid needs to recalculate the height of the row based  
on the new data. This needs to happen regardless of whether or not the  
control is visible on the screen as the total height of the Data Grid  
content needs to be updated.

If the row you are updating is already being displayed in the Data  
Grid then the visible control is redrawn. If the row isn't being  
displayed in a control then a copy of your row template is created  
just for this purpose (and then immediately destroyed). This is what  
is going on in _UpdateIndexWithNewData.

The additional FillInData handler is probably being called from  
_RedrawList beause _RefreshIndexes marks the row as dirty (this  
happens in _ResetControlsOfIndex). In your particular circumstance I'm  
not sure the row needs to be marked as dirty since it was updated in  
_UpdateIndexWithNewData. I would have to look into this more closely  
before I made any changes however.

> Tracking this down using the executioncontexts it seems that "set the
> dgDataOfIndex" first calls the handlers that "set the dgData" does  
> and then
> in addition an extra:

I believe the calling chain in your cause would be as follows:

set the dgDataOfIndex
     :_RefreshIndexes
         :_UpdateIndexWithNewData (calls FillInData)
         :_ResetControlsOfIndex
         :_RedrawList (calls FillInData since the row was marked as  
dirty)

> In my case where I have a lot of action updating individual lines of  
> the
> datagrid each second, I want to do this as fast as possible and also  
> to
> avoid possible recursion with the async loads. It would help greatly  
> to
> understand why "FillInData" needs to be called twice with "set the
> dgDataOfIndex" and therefore what my handler should do with each call.

I will look into seeing if the 2nd call to FillInData can be removed  
though it will have to wait until after the Pro App Dev course next  
week.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 11:15:15 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:15:15 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909230039p159b617ar4ed0182c5d3ed350@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
	<e5e009d70909230039p159b617ar4ed0182c5d3ed350@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CBB95B7-6C79-4FAA-9503-7EC7C92BCE6A@yahoo.com>


On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:39 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Jim, I never saw the download either. One can't scrape the code off  
> of the
> screen either - it's a graphic. But the examples aren't that hard to  
> just
> write out.
I can do the screen scraping easily enough, but that does not give you  
the programming that generated the browser display of images and text,  
such as any .irev library scripts.
> Quite frankly I think you'd be happier checking out the Troz site  
> (Sarah).
>
> http://www.troz.net/onrev/
>
> great stuff. All the scripts are there. All tested and works.
>
> Another fine example is John Craig's splash21 CMS.
> http://splash21.on-rev.com/index.irev
>
> Finally Andre has a Wordpress type blog that works well.
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/cms.irev
Thanks for the links, Barncard.  I will be studying all of these today.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/23 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
>
>> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a  
>> comment on
>> page..
>> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
>>
>> part of the instructions say
>> 'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you would  
>> like
>> to take it apart and look at how everything has been done.'
>>
>> but nothing says how to do it.
>> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 23 12:03:29 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:03:29 -0700
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <6DD99629-4EF3-40C6-ADA9-22A1FFF0F190@wehostmacs.com>
References: <6DD99629-4EF3-40C6-ADA9-22A1FFF0F190@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909230903n70c90385x33f1bd5a3fa4c790@mail.gmail.com>

Shao, I'm not seeing the link for that on your site.
Safari 4 Firefox 3.5  - MacOS 10.5.8   0900 PST
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/23 Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com>

> Updated the download file to include that PkgInfo file as per Klaus' bug
> report.
>
> -Sean
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 23 12:03:17 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:03:17 -0700
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
References: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <148457218.20090923090317@ahsoftware.net>

SS-

Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:18:57 PM, you wrote:

> Usage:
> - IDE and personal use applications do not require a license
> - All other usage requires it to be licensed (5USD for a one-time,  
> lifetime, unlimited use license)

OK - I haven't even tried this thing yet, but it looks great so I went
ahead and licensed it. I did the paypal thing as well, but note that
the donation button you set up only accepts Canadian dollars. The
exchange rate was close enough that I didn't try to fiddle with it,
but you might want to update the button.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 23 12:25:28 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:25:28 -0700
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909230903n70c90385x33f1bd5a3fa4c790@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6DD99629-4EF3-40C6-ADA9-22A1FFF0F190@wehostmacs.com>
	<e5e009d70909230903n70c90385x33f1bd5a3fa4c790@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1549788078.20090923092528@ahsoftware.net>

stephen-

Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 9:03:29 AM, you wrote:

> Shao, I'm not seeing the link for that on your site.

...at the top... the one that says "Download"... <g>

http://shaosean.tk/

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From gjbalzano at ucsd.edu  Wed Sep 23 13:10:05 2009
From: gjbalzano at ucsd.edu (Jerry Balzano)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:10:05 -0700
Subject: Lost focus after import snapshot
In-Reply-To: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1AE5679@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
References: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1AE5679@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
Message-ID: <9EF8893D-B86D-45E8-9701-C7E76F74D105@ucsd.edu>

Hi Nhan,

I tried out your example code with a list field, and everything seemed  
to work all right afterwards, i.e. one could still click on individual  
lines of the list field after it had been "backgrounded".  If you'd  
like, I'd be glad to send you the simple stack I created privately, so  
you could compare what's going on there vs. in your stack.

Jerry Balzano

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> Please kindly help me with this case. Is there anyone meet the same
> issue before? I have a piece code as below
>
>
>
>   import snapshot from rectangle tRect of cd 1 of stack tStackname
>
>   get the id of the last image of cd 1 of stack tStackname
>
>   put it into tImageID
>
>   set the backgroundpattern of cd fld "dbGrid" of cd 1 of stack
> tStackname to tImageID
>
>
>
> The issue is I can't click on each line of fld "dbGrid" after running
> this code. It seem that fld "dbGrid" has lost focus
>
>
>
> Please help
>
>
>
> Many thanks and regards,
>
>
>
> Nhan
>
>
>
>
>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 15:45:56 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:45:56 EDT
Subject: OS9 Standalone
Message-ID: <cfd.61c7ce49.37ebd4f4@aol.com>

I tried to save a stack as an OS9 standalone. I get a "MacOSfat" folder 
with an application in it.

But it will not open on a OS 9.1 Mac. I tried changing the file type and 
creator to mimic HC ("STAK" and "WILD") and got a HC-looking icon out of it, 
but it still will not open. The OS 9 Mac says the file is either damaged or 
"will not work on this computer".

Rev 3.5, OS 10.4 on the authoring side. Can this in fact be done? To move a 
rev stack backward in time?

Thanks.

Craig Newman


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Sep 23 15:56:30 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:56:30 -0700
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <cfd.61c7ce49.37ebd4f4@aol.com>
References: <cfd.61c7ce49.37ebd4f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0BD34452-5105-4C79-8A81-BC007B24CAC7@cruzio.com>

Isn't v. 2.6 the last version that could create a standalone for OS9?

On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:45 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I tried to save a stack as an OS9 standalone. I get a "MacOSfat"  
> folder
> with an application in it.
>
> But it will not open on a OS 9.1 Mac. I tried changing the file type  
> and
> creator to mimic HC ("STAK" and "WILD") and got a HC-looking icon  
> out of it,
> but it still will not open. The OS 9 Mac says the file is either  
> damaged or
> "will not work on this computer".
>
> Rev 3.5, OS 10.4 on the authoring side. Can this in fact be done? To  
> move a
> rev stack backward in time?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Craig Newman
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 23 16:04:10 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:04:10 +0200
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <0BD34452-5105-4C79-8A81-BC007B24CAC7@cruzio.com>
References: <cfd.61c7ce49.37ebd4f4@aol.com>
	<0BD34452-5105-4C79-8A81-BC007B24CAC7@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <34B396F2-AAEE-47A1-BDA4-B5EFFC384246@economy-x-talk.com>

Yes, it is, despite the availability of a Mac OS 9 option in the  
standalone builder of 3.0 and later.

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
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Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 23-sep-2009, om 21:56 heeft Mark Swindell het volgende geschreven:

> Isn't v. 2.6 the last version that could create a standalone for OS9?
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 16:05:18 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:05:18 +0300
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <0BD34452-5105-4C79-8A81-BC007B24CAC7@cruzio.com>
References: <cfd.61c7ce49.37ebd4f4@aol.com>
	<0BD34452-5105-4C79-8A81-BC007B24CAC7@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4ABA7F7E.3080706@gmail.com>

Mark Swindell wrote:
> Isn't v. 2.6 the last version that could create a standalone for OS9?
>
My conference copy of Studio (dp-4) standalone setting has a place
to set up a Mac Classic standalone, but seems unselectable. This could
mean either of 2 things:

1. There will be tha capability to save Mac Classic standalones in RR 4,

or

2. Somebody got sloppy and left deprecated stuff lying around.

My guess is as good as your, and no more  . . .  :)


From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 16:40:23 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:40:23 +0200
Subject: Synchronized videos with superimposition
Message-ID: <31AE859A-4CC0-47A9-B2A7-E8017434EC0A@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm in the process of making some animated slides
with RevStudio for a talk
I'm doing soon in Paris.

1) I have to my disposal 3 videos ( .mov ).
2) I'm really dummy with video stuff
3) I'm on a MacBook/Tiger.

  I would like to  have one in the background,
let say , half screen , and the others two, much smaller in size
( 15% each of the first ), superimposed on the first.

I managed to play them all together ,
but can't do the superposition ( flashing at the intersection ).

Then, with iMOvie HD tried to build one Video out of the 3,
but there is only one video track :-(

Any enlightment are very much welcome.

Regards,
Thierry



From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 16:48:45 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:48:45 EDT
Subject: OS9 Standalone
Message-ID: <c6a.5aedaf5b.37ebe3ad@aol.com>

All:

The 3.5 docs do say that the 2.6.1 classic engine is used to make the 
standalone, and that one should watch out for included v.3-4 functionality that 
might break in that earlier version; that the newer code may not compile in 
the 2.6 engine. Makes sense.

Otherwise, except for that caveat, it seems like OS 9 is supported in 
v.3.5; it does after all create a fat standalone.

I went back to my v2.0 Rev and made a standalone in OS 9. Worked fine. OS 9 
to OS 9 of course.

One thing I noticed is how far the Rev team has come in the user interface. 
Version 3+ is gorgeous, the earlier ones seem home brewed by comparison. 
This in the light of the fact that the mighty heart of the program is intact 
even in those earlier builds.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I will fool around a bit more...

Craig Newman


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 23 17:06:23 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:06:23 -0700
Subject: Synchronized videos with superimposition
In-Reply-To: <31AE859A-4CC0-47A9-B2A7-E8017434EC0A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6DFDBDF.4488C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Thierry wrote:

> I'm in the process of making some animated slides
> with RevStudio for a talk
> I'm doing soon in Paris.
> 
> 1) I have to my disposal 3 videos ( .mov ).
> 2) I'm really dummy with video stuff
> 3) I'm on a MacBook/Tiger.
> 
>   I would like to  have one in the background,
> let say , half screen , and the others two, much smaller in size
> ( 15% each of the first ), superimposed on the first.
> 
> I managed to play them all together ,
> but can't do the superposition ( flashing at the intersection ).
> 
> Then, with iMOvie HD tried to build one Video out of the 3,
> but there is only one video track :-(
> 
> Any enlightment are very much welcome.

I don't know if the EnhancedQT external written by Trevor Devore allows for
anything like this, but here are 2 things to try:

1) Try setting the alwaysBuffer property of each movie to true -- this
allows you to layer movies just like any other object on the card.  The
possible drawback is performance may suffer, the movies may not play well.

2) If the above option doesn't work well, try playing the superimposed
"overlay" movies in small, separate stacks positioned above the main stack
that contains your main background movie.  If you set the decorations
property of the overlay stacks to "none", you will remove the titlebars from
the windows and the windows will appear to be part of your main background
stack.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Sep 23 17:21:27 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:21:27 +0100
Subject: Synchronized videos with superimposition
In-Reply-To: <31AE859A-4CC0-47A9-B2A7-E8017434EC0A@gmail.com>
References: <31AE859A-4CC0-47A9-B2A7-E8017434EC0A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <352E24AB-DE1A-45EA-A9AC-4D55FB3A8C93@azurevision.co.uk>

If you want to combine them into a single video and have iWork on your  
MacBook, Keynote will let you lay them out and resize them however you  
want, then you can export it out as a new video ready for use in the  
Rev slideshow (assuming there are things you want to do that can't be  
done in Keynote).

Ian

On 23 Sep 2009, at 21:40, Thierry wrote:

> Then, with iMOvie HD tried to build one Video out of the 3,
> but there is only one video track :-(



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Sep 23 17:29:29 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:29:29 +0100
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>
	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>
Message-ID: <4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Do you know a way, simple or not, ;-) to populate "mirrors" (other
> commercial shared server services you may have) with your download, directly
> from on-Rev, using an irev script? Obviously, from a client, you can write a
> Rev script to FTP up to multiple servers. But I'm wondering if you have a
> way to populate other servers with your to be downloaded files, directly
> from on-Rev, once the file(s) have been uploaded there.
>   
There are a few ways, depending on what you wish to do.

You can do something like
    put URL ("file:new.mp3") into 
("ftp://user:password at ftp.site.com/mp3s/this.mp3")

and simply have the script that handles uploading do the distribution 
immediately. Or have the script check for "new" files in the relevant 
directories (maybe write a log file so it knows when it last ran), and 
re-distribute all files with later modified date.

I think there would be a way to run the rev script from the command line 
(and hence as a cron job) if you wanted to do that - but I haven't tried 
that yet (might need to wait for the cgi version of Rev to be on on-Rev).

(Actually - if anyone knows the answer to that, I'd be grateful to hear 
it :-)

-- Alex.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Sep 23 17:55:37 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:55:37 -0500
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <CC43CA0A-51AC-4329-B5D9-5DD4B567D2EC@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <C6E00389.24492%kray@sonsothunder.com>



> MacWindows 1.0.0 (005)
> External to give Revolution applications a more Mac-like experience.
> The name comes from the Carbon header file that the majority of the
> features are called from.

Sweet! Thanks, Sean... I'll be sending you a donation ASAP...

:-D

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From steve at theworcestersource.com  Wed Sep 23 17:58:02 2009
From: steve at theworcestersource.com (Steve Checkley)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:58:02 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Multi-platform tree control library (in beta)
Message-ID: <00C7F19E-90CE-45FC-BB06-0472A4A1AB13@theworcestersource.com>

Hi all,

Over the past couple of months, I've been working on a tree control  
for RunRev that produces great looking controls that look like they  
belong on the platform that you're running.

For example:

Tree in Mac OSX mode
http://theworcestersource.com/Portals/0/Blog%20Images/tease%20macosx.png

Same tree in Windows mode
http://theworcestersource.com/Portals/0/Blog%20Images/tease%20winxp.png

Although I've had a few betas already, following the brilliant work  
that Sean's been doing, I felt the time was right to make a bit more  
noise. You can find out more at www.theworcestersource.com . You will  
need to register to gain access to the beta download page but I might  
well change that soon.

I work on the tree when I can find the time, which is usually a couple  
of hours at the weekend and, hopefully, you can see the huge amount of  
effort that I've put into it. I would really appreciate any bugs or  
issues that you might come across, whilst I work on the docs and  
finish off wrapping up the loose ends.

Thanks,


Steve
www.theworcestersource.com

P.S. Further to an earlier thread, you'll also find a gradient button  
stack on my site in the downloads section.



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 23 18:00:03 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:00:03 -0700
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
In-Reply-To: <1549788078.20090923092528@ahsoftware.net>
References: <6DD99629-4EF3-40C6-ADA9-22A1FFF0F190@wehostmacs.com>
	<e5e009d70909230903n70c90385x33f1bd5a3fa4c790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1549788078.20090923092528@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909231500l1beda936k2a4f7f396f0eb3ee@mail.gmail.com>

yes but I was looking at the description page
http://revdevelop.com/categories/Developer_Tools/Externals/ssMacWindows

no file link there...

it's the first thing that came up in google
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev



2009/9/23 Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
> stephen-
>
> Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 9:03:29 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Shao, I'm not seeing the link for that on your site.
>
> ...at the top... the one that says "Download"... <g>
>
> http://shaosean.tk/
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
> ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:46:52 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:46:52 +1000
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>
	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com> <4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909231546t44ac223em3ba03959d81cd53a@mail.gmail.com>

> I think there would be a way to run the rev script from the command line
> (and hence as a cron job) if you wanted to do that - but I haven't tried
> that yet (might need to wait for the cgi version of Rev to be on on-Rev).
>
> (Actually - if anyone knows the answer to that, I'd be grateful to hear it
> :-)


I've just run into the need for this too.
My first thought is to investigate if "curl" can do what we need.
But I too would be grateful for any insights.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lists at futilism.com  Wed Sep 23 19:09:20 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:09:20 +0100
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909231546t44ac223em3ba03959d81cd53a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>
	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>
	<4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860909231546t44ac223em3ba03959d81cd53a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFBEF740-17DF-420F-A8ED-0D371B1BF833@futilism.com>

You can certainly install the 3.5 cgi engine on on-rev, so a script  
to check the folder and copy to another server can be run as a cron-job.
I don't think libUrl is part of the cgi engine, though I'm pretty  
sure you could install it with the engine, and "start using" it in  
your command-line script.
Otherwise, curl would probably be the way to go, though there's also  
the ftp command-line (which I haven't used, so don't know much about).


Best,

Mark


On 23 Sep 2009, at 23:46, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I think there would be a way to run the rev script from the  
>> command line
>> (and hence as a cron job) if you wanted to do that - but I haven't  
>> tried
>> that yet (might need to wait for the cgi version of Rev to be on  
>> on-Rev).
>>
>> (Actually - if anyone knows the answer to that, I'd be grateful to  
>> hear it
>> :-)
>
>
> I've just run into the need for this too.
> My first thought is to investigate if "curl" can do what we need.
> But I too would be grateful for any insights.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 19:17:32 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:17:32 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
Message-ID: <C7D5278D-9172-44D4-B1F5-6DE39C9731D5@wehostmacs.com>

> yes but I was looking at the description page
> http://revdevelop.com/categories/Developer_Tools/Externals/ 
> ssMacWindows
> no file link there...

Due to trying to keep RevDevelop neutral and not my own playground I  
removed the direct download link and moved the files over to my own  
website.. On the link mentioned above, click the "Website" link and at  
the top right of my personal website you will see "ssMacWindows" and  
there is a download link..

Failing all that, click this:
http://shaosean.tk/downloads/ssMacWindows005.zip

Enjoy :D

-Sean

ps.. I would like to say thanks to everyone who has taken the time to  
encourage me through their kind words both on the list and privately


From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed Sep 23 20:29:15 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:29:15 -1000
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>
	<4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca3cae$0cc12100$26436300$@com>

Hi Alex,

> Jim Bufalini wrote:
> > Do you know a way, simple or not, ;-) to populate "mirrors" (other
> > commercial shared server services you may have) with your download,
> directly
> > from on-Rev, using an irev script? Obviously, from a client, you can
> write a
> > Rev script to FTP up to multiple servers. But I'm wondering if you
> have a
> > way to populate other servers with your to be downloaded files,
> directly
> > from on-Rev, once the file(s) have been uploaded there.
> >
> There are a few ways, depending on what you wish to do.
> 
> You can do something like
>     put URL ("file:new.mp3") into
> ("ftp://user:password at ftp.site.com/mp3s/this.mp3")

Hmmm. Are you saying issue this command from within an irev script? I don't
think it works from there. Or, to be more precise, I just tried it, and it
didn't work for me. Of course I changed the appropriate parts first.

> and simply have the script that handles uploading do the distribution
> immediately. Or have the script check for "new" files in the relevant
> directories (maybe write a log file so it knows when it last ran), and
> re-distribute all files with later modified date.
> 
> I think there would be a way to run the rev script from the command
> line
> (and hence as a cron job) if you wanted to do that - but I haven't
> tried
> that yet (might need to wait for the cgi version of Rev to be on on-
> Rev).

As to Rev CGI from on-Rev, you can do this now by just installing Rev CGI to
your on-Rev account, just like you would do it to any other server.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 20:53:51 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:53:51 -0400
Subject: [ANN] MacWindows external 1.0.0 (005)
Message-ID: <F6EB5F51-F8BB-4B71-8C92-706D603C6A74@wehostmacs.com>

Just a quick FYI update about the external.. It works from Rev 2.6 and  
up so if you have not upgraded in a while, it will still work for you  
^_^


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Sep 23 20:56:45 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:56:45 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Multi-platform tree control library (in beta)
Message-ID: <250C2E60-7CDC-411A-ABD7-1A5D0852EFE1@wehostmacs.com>

I had come across this a bit ago completely by accident and was blown  
away by it.. Rev definitely needs more components like this..


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 23 21:22:23 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:22:23 -0500
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <c6a.5aedaf5b.37ebe3ad@aol.com>
References: <c6a.5aedaf5b.37ebe3ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4ABAC9CF.8000903@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> All:
> 
> The 3.5 docs do say that the 2.6.1 classic engine is used to make the 
> standalone, and that one should watch out for included v.3-4 functionality that 
> might break in that earlier version; that the newer code may not compile in 
> the 2.6 engine. Makes sense.
> 
> Otherwise, except for that caveat, it seems like OS 9 is supported in 
> v.3.5; it does after all create a fat standalone.

The file format changed in Rev 2.7. If you want to build an OS 9 
standalone using Rev 3.5, you need to save the stack in legacy format 
(there's an option in the Save dialog for that.) If you don't, the 2.6.1 
engine can't read the 2.7 file format, which I think is why your 
original standalone wouldn't launch.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 23:11:56 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:11:56 -0700
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909231546t44ac223em3ba03959d81cd53a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>
	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>
	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>
	<4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860909231546t44ac223em3ba03959d81cd53a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CAFD3C6-8807-4D5D-89F3-4909984773A9@yahoo.com>

This was offered on the forum as a method for running a php script.

<?rev
put shell("/usr/local/bin/php /home/yoursubdomain/path-to/ 
phpscript.php") into tmp
?>

--Does this help get you closer to command line > irev script ?

On Sep 23, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I think there would be a way to run the rev script from the command  
>> line
>> (and hence as a cron job) if you wanted to do that - but I haven't  
>> tried
>> that yet (might need to wait for the cgi version of Rev to be on on- 
>> Rev).
>> (Actually - if anyone knows the answer to that, I'd be grateful to  
>> hear it
> I've just run into the need for this too.
> My first thought is to investigate if "curl" can do what we need.
> But I too would be grateful for any insights.
> Sarah


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Sep 24 01:05:17 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <34B396F2-AAEE-47A1-BDA4-B5EFFC384246@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <cfd.61c7ce49.37ebd4f4@aol.com>
	<0BD34452-5105-4C79-8A81-BC007B24CAC7@cruzio.com>
	<34B396F2-AAEE-47A1-BDA4-B5EFFC384246@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909232205050.1414@ecs.fullerton.edu>

including 4.0 I believe...

Judy

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Yes, it is, despite the availability of a Mac OS 9 option in the standalone 
> builder of 3.0 and later.
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk
> Consultancy and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
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> Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
> Op 23-sep-2009, om 21:56 heeft Mark Swindell het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Isn't v. 2.6 the last version that could create a standalone for OS9?
>> 
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From nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn  Thu Sep 24 04:33:18 2009
From: nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn (Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:33:18 +0700
Subject: Lost focus after import snapshot
References: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1AE5679@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
	<9EF8893D-B86D-45E8-9701-C7E76F74D105@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1AE5AC3@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>

Thanks Jerry Balzano so much,

Actually, there are many tasks performed on list field "dbGrid" and it
need re-calculated and repaint once I click on a line of another list
field.

I try to put the line "set the hilitedLine of field "dbGrid " to 1 "
into the last and see that I can navigate the hightlite of field
"dbGrid" by arrow key (up and down key) but I can't click on this.

It's so trange.

Nhan

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Balzano
Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:10 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Lost focus after import snapshot

Hi Nhan,

I tried out your example code with a list field, and everything seemed  
to work all right afterwards, i.e. one could still click on individual  
lines of the list field after it had been "backgrounded".  If you'd  
like, I'd be glad to send you the simple stack I created privately, so  
you could compare what's going on there vs. in your stack.

Jerry Balzano

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> Please kindly help me with this case. Is there anyone meet the same
> issue before? I have a piece code as below
>
>
>
>   import snapshot from rectangle tRect of cd 1 of stack tStackname
>
>   get the id of the last image of cd 1 of stack tStackname
>
>   put it into tImageID
>
>   set the backgroundpattern of cd fld "dbGrid" of cd 1 of stack
> tStackname to tImageID
>
>
>
> The issue is I can't click on each line of fld "dbGrid" after running
> this code. It seem that fld "dbGrid" has lost focus
>
>
>
> Please help
>
>
>
> Many thanks and regards,
>
>
>
> Nhan
>
>
>
>
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Sep 24 05:00:57 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:00:57 +0200
Subject: OT (slightly): what's the best X-platform icon maker that runs on a
 Mac?
Message-ID: <D5338F01-D836-4842-B9F0-D6B53ABCA752@mac.com>

I used to use Iconographer, but it hasn't been updated since 2003 -  
you can still get it (for free) but I can't think it knows about Vista  
etc. I know this has been discussed before, but what do people use  
currently? I couldn't find anything after 2007 in the archive, and  
that conversation was about Iconographer anyway!

TIA

Graham


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Sep 24 05:18:00 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:18:00 +0100
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3cae$0cc12100$26436300$@com>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>	<4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>
	<000001ca3cae$0cc12100$26436300$@com>
Message-ID: <4ABB3948.7040800@tweedly.net>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>> There are a few ways, depending on what you wish to do.
>>
>> You can do something like
>>     put URL ("file:new.mp3") into
>> ("ftp://user:password at ftp.site.com/mp3s/this.mp3")
>>     
>
> Hmmm. Are you saying issue this command from within an irev script? I don't
> think it works from there. Or, to be more precise, I just tried it, and it
> didn't work for me. Of course I changed the appropriate parts first.
>
>   
Yes, it worked for me. I'll try again later today, but I know it worked 
about a month ago. (I had over-run my broadband usage limit, and they 
were rate-limiting my ftp session to 0 - i.e. couldn't use ftp at all. I 
could get round this for on-Rev using the file manager in cPanel - but 
nothing equivalent on my other websites/servers. So I used the cPanel 
file manager to upload a small irev script (called putfileviaftp.irev 
:-) which then ftp'ed from on-Rev to the other servers).
>
> As to Rev CGI from on-Rev, you can do this now by just installing Rev CGI to
> your on-Rev account, just like you would do it to any other server.
>
>   
Yeah, but I'm being lazy and hoping that on-Rev will make that part of 
the standard intstall :-)

It seems like cron and curl could be used to periodically trigger a URL 
request - which could be to an irev script on your own site, and that 
irev script could then do any file distributions required.

-- Alex.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 05:20:01 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:20:01 +0300
Subject: admin@oaklands-jun.wokingham.sch.uk
Message-ID: <4ABB39C1.6020805@gmail.com>

I was at Oaklands from 1967 - 1973, under Mr Beeston;
at that time the school was highly experimental and
ahead of its time. I now use many of the methods and
ideas in my own language school in Bulgaria.

If you would like to either link to, or look at my
website the address is:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/default.html

click on the button SCHOOL

sincerely, John Richmond Mathewson.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 24 05:21:40 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:21:40 +0200
Subject: OT (slightly): what's the best X-platform icon maker that runs
	on a Mac?
In-Reply-To: <D5338F01-D836-4842-B9F0-D6B53ABCA752@mac.com>
References: <D5338F01-D836-4842-B9F0-D6B53ABCA752@mac.com>
Message-ID: <11B61A38-0250-448F-895C-E32D554EABAA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Graham,

I use two free products, one on the Mac, a different one on Windows.  
For Mac, I use Apple's IconComposer. For Windows, I use IcoFX. IcoFX  
can also create icons for Mac standalones. You could install X11 on  
your Mac and install Wine under X11. IcoFX runs fine under X11 (only  
the interface may look slightly weird).

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 24 sep 2009, at 11:00, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I used to use Iconographer, but it hasn't been updated since 2003 -  
> you can still get it (for free) but I can't think it knows about  
> Vista etc. I know this has been discussed before, but what do people  
> use currently? I couldn't find anything after 2007 in the archive,  
> and that conversation was about Iconographer anyway!
>
> TIA
>
> Graham




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 07:40:09 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:40:09 +0300
Subject: A quick note about RR Alpha 4 and older forms of Linux
Message-ID: <4ABB5A99.9070800@gmail.com>

Just to say that RevMedia alpha release for Linux (dp3)
does not work on Ubuntu 5.10, but it does on 8.04.

Where the cut-off is between 5.10 and 8.04
I don't know.

This is really only relevant to people who wish to
deploy RevMedia for teaching purposes on fairly
old, low-spec PCs.

I have yet to see if RR Studio 4 dp-4 can spin off
standalones that will function on Ubuntu 5.10.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 07:42:58 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:42:58 +0300
Subject: Oaklands Junior School
Message-ID: <4ABB5B42.2060100@gmail.com>

Err  . . . sorry about the earlier posting: stupidly mixed up
the 'To' place with the 'Subject' place in Thunderbird.

Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 08:01:01 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:01:01 +0300
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
Message-ID: <4ABB5F7D.9000101@gmail.com>

http://www.hybridworks.jp/


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 08:31:07 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:31:07 +0100
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <4ABB5F7D.9000101@gmail.com>
References: <4ABB5F7D.9000101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5EDAC53-FA56-4A66-A1AF-55D81723B789@azurevision.co.uk>

Which bit? The one where the ENTIRE site is inside a plugin making it  
effectively invisible to Google and other search engines, impossible  
to give anyone a URL leading to a specific part of the site, no way to  
change the size of the text or select text to copy it? I always groan  
when opening a page to find Click2Flash is covering the whole thing  
with a placeholder image. :-(

Recreating that purely within a revlet would suffer from a lot of the  
same problems apart from being able to select/copy text.

In case my position isn't clear - plugins should NEVER be used as the  
sole method of site navigation.

Nice animations and pixel art, and a really neat layout swap, though.

Ian


On 24 Sep 2009, at 13:01, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> http://www.hybridworks.jp/
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep 24 09:03:43 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:03:43 -0400
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <D5EDAC53-FA56-4A66-A1AF-55D81723B789@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4ABB5F7D.9000101@gmail.com>
	<D5EDAC53-FA56-4A66-A1AF-55D81723B789@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <24F8FF10-7BBB-4B5B-BEA9-36A79484C205@verizon.net>

Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying, swfs  
can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's possible to  
"deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if that's important  
to do.

The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequence of it being  
done in Flash. 


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Sep 24 09:06:47 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:06:47 +0200
Subject: Renewing Revolution licence
Message-ID: <DDD916EF-57BD-4939-85FE-960A66BABE73@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I bought rev 3.0 some time ago. I have just received
a mail informing me that my licence will expire in
a few days. What does this mean ? Do I have to pay
for an upgrade to 3.5, or do I get it free (if I
download it within the next few days). Why are there
two different prices for Rev Studio ? I see 165 euros
(see Store Front page) and also 249 euros (see
Comparison Page). Don't understand !!

-Francis




From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Sep 24 09:10:09 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:10:09 +0200
Subject: How to get a return value from a vbs file?
Message-ID: <7E86350B1B0545AF9041EB9B9AD8956E@Kestner.local>

Hello,

following Jim B's advice I want to change the user rights of my program
(-sub) dir to be able to write a file with rev to that dir. Creating the dir
at setup with the correct rights s one thing. Now I want to change the
rights with icacls at an existing dir.

When calling icacls from rev directly in the shell I get a return value from
icacls, but a standard user may not change the priviliges. But as far as I
know, I can't give a parameter "runas" (Admin) to the shell. So I decided to
create a small vbs file (without actually knowing vbs), where I could run
the vbs file with "runas" to be able to change the rights of the program sub
dir.

Where I now stuck is, that I don't know how to get back any return value
from the vbs script file back into my rev, e.g the result of calling icacls.
I can't just say "return" in vbs.

Any hint very welcome (Rev 3.5, Vista)

Tiemo

 

 

 



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Sep 24 09:25:38 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:25:38 +0000
Subject: Renewing Revolution licence
Message-ID: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>

Hi Francis,

as long as your license is valid you are entitled to download the most recent version. So hurry up and download 3.5.

And on the comparision page the prices are in US$.

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Renewing Revolution licence (24-Sep-2009 15:12)
From:    Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Hi from Paris,
> 
> I bought rev 3.0 some time ago. I have just received
> a mail informing me that my licence will expire in
> a few days. What does this mean ? Do I have to pay
> for an upgrade to 3.5, or do I get it free (if I
> download it within the next few days). Why are there
> two different prices for Rev Studio ? I see 165 euros
> (see Store Front page) and also 249 euros (see
> Comparison Page). Don't understand !!
> 
> -Francis
> 
> 
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> 
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 09:34:47 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:34:47 +0100
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <24F8FF10-7BBB-4B5B-BEA9-36A79484C205@verizon.net>
References: <4ABB5F7D.9000101@gmail.com>
	<D5EDAC53-FA56-4A66-A1AF-55D81723B789@azurevision.co.uk>
	<24F8FF10-7BBB-4B5B-BEA9-36A79484C205@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E4157D5A-F0ED-4D44-9DA4-6AE989912941@azurevision.co.uk>


On 24 Sep 2009, at 14:03, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying,  
> swfs can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's  
> possible to "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if  
> that's important to do.
>
> The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequence of it being  
> done in Flash

Fair enough, looks like I'm out of date in terms of what *can be but  
usually isn't* done in Flash-driven sites. ;-)

Ian


From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep 24 09:39:20 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:39:20 -0400
Subject: Renewing Revolution licence
In-Reply-To: <DDD916EF-57BD-4939-85FE-960A66BABE73@wanadoo.fr>
References: <DDD916EF-57BD-4939-85FE-960A66BABE73@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <EE40876F-0FF9-4516-8649-927499B700AE@verizon.net>

What you pay for is a year of upgrades. That would include getting up  
to date, but would also include any updates that come out in the next  
year. 


From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Sep 24 09:43:37 2009
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:43:37 +0200
Subject: Renewing Revolution licence
In-Reply-To: <DDD916EF-57BD-4939-85FE-960A66BABE73@wanadoo.fr>
References: <DDD916EF-57BD-4939-85FE-960A66BABE73@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06240800c6e126975f45@[192.168.1.100]>

On 24.09.09 at 15:06 +0200 Francis Nugent Dixon apparently wrote:
>Hi from Paris,
>
>I bought rev 3.0 some time ago. I have just received
>a mail informing me that my licence will expire in
>a few days. What does this mean ? Do I have to pay
>for an upgrade to 3.5, or do I get it free (if I
>download it within the next few days). Why are there
>two different prices for Rev Studio ? I see 165 euros
>(see Store Front page) and also 249 euros (see
>Comparison Page). Don't understand !!
>
>-Francis

That message is a tad of misleading. What is really expiring is the 
active status of your license.

While the license is active, you can fetch any newer version (you 
don't have to actually use it if you don't want to) and you can get 
an extension of your license cheaper.

Once your license expires, you can't get any version that is released 
after the day of expiration of your license and it costs you more to 
get a new active license (although I think it is still cheaper than a 
new license -- I haven't been keeping up with price changes).

What does NOT expire is your ability to continue using whatever 
version you got for as long as you want under the terms of your 
now-expired licence.

Robert


From jmyepes at mac.com  Thu Sep 24 10:49:56 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:49:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
In-Reply-To: <B6972698-3E11-403A-90EB-A485A8FA3CAB@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <25530401.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B6972698-3E11-403A-90EB-A485A8FA3CAB@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <25573973.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Trevor,

Only I get this error when drag from a edited cell, I want drag the entire
row and drop some of the values.. I download the sample and check it...

execution error at line 6 (Chunk: error in object expression), char 22


Salut,
Josep

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Josep wrote:
> 
>> I need use drag and drop between datagrids and others objects, how  
>> to begin?
>> I need perform operations like exec sql sentences or print.
>>
>> Any tip about how begin to handle this?
> 
> At RunRevLive I used an updated version of the Data Grid with built-in  
> support for drag reordering and setting the dragImage for drag/drop.
> 
> http://tr.im/data_grid
> 
> I haven't documented it yet but starting a drag and drop operation  
> with the row being dragged on displayed as the dragImage is really easy:
> 
> ##
> ## Data Grid Group Script
> ##
> on dragStart
>      ## use current row as dragImage
>      put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
>      set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
> 
>      ## Set dragData to start drag operation
>      set the dragData["private"] to "My Data"
> end dragStart
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Application Development with Revolution Course:
> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/
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Quoted from: 
http://www.nabble.com/Datagrid-Drag-and-Drop-tp25530401p25560144.html


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Josep wrote:
> 
>> I need use drag and drop between datagrids and others objects, how  
>> to begin?
>> I need perform operations like exec sql sentences or print.
>>
>> Any tip about how begin to handle this?
> 
> At RunRevLive I used an updated version of the Data Grid with built-in  
> support for drag reordering and setting the dragImage for drag/drop.
> 
> http://tr.im/data_grid
> 
> I haven't documented it yet but starting a drag and drop operation  
> with the row being dragged on displayed as the dragImage is really easy:
> 
> ##
> ## Data Grid Group Script
> ##
> on dragStart
>      ## use current row as dragImage
>      put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
>      set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
> 
>      ## Set dragData to start drag operation
>      set the dragData["private"] to "My Data"
> end dragStart
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Application Development with Revolution Course:
> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/
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From gjbalzano at ucsd.edu  Thu Sep 24 12:32:49 2009
From: gjbalzano at ucsd.edu (Jerry Balzano)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:32:49 -0700
Subject: Java applets & Revlets
In-Reply-To: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>
References: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <7A8B2A42-A45F-41F6-BD26-BAE0DD066E17@ucsd.edu>

Hi all,

Although this list is usually pretty responsive to questions, I sent  
the email almost 48 hours ago and haven't raised a single reply.  If  
I'm just asking foolish questions, perhaps someone could gently tell  
me why, and suggest what I might do (instead) to address the issue I  
raise.

Thanks,
Jerry B

On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Jerry Balzano wrote:

> I hope this isn't too bizarre a request.
>
> I want a Revlet to be able to control which of several (pre-made) Java
> applets a user sees.  How would one do this?  Is it possible to embed
> a Java applet inside a Revlet?
>
> I was looking through previous messages to see if this question had
> been asked previously and I learned (a little) about a stack property
> called the revletParams, but I don't know how or if it would apply
> here.  For example, would one stick the whole string
> <applet code="org.nlogo.window.Applet"
>         archive="NetLogoLite.jar"
>         width="460" height="280">
>   <param name="DefaultModel"
>          value="Tag.nlogo">
> </applet>
> inside the revletParams?  (And then what?)
>
> Sorry for the painfully naive nature of these questions, but this is
> all untrodden ground for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry Balzano
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Sep 24 15:41:34 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:41:34 -0700
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>

Anybody know how to determine these?  In particular, I need the file  
type and creator for zip files.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software



From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Sep 24 15:47:16 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:47:16 -0700
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>

On kind of a related note, anybody know how to set a file to open with  
a certain application?  This is manually done with the Get Info window  
on the Mac but I need to do this from within a script.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 12:48:35 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:48:35 +0100
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>

You can get them via AppleScript - 'the creator type' and 'the file  
type'. Just be aware that there is a big developer sh*tstorm blowing  
up about file and creator codes being deprecated on Snow Leopard -  
instead it basically just uses file extensions to decide what app to  
open when double-clicking on a file. :-(

http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/09/horrifically-bad-software-demos-become-performance-art.ars

Ian

P.S. Here's a script for a droplet:

on open (list_of_aliases)
	tell application "Finder"
		set myfile to item 1 of list_of_aliases
		display dialog "creator type: " & (the creator type of myfile) &  
return & "file type: " & (the file type of myfile)
	end tell
end open


On 24 Sep 2009, at 20:41, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Anybody know how to determine these?  In particular, I need the file  
> type and creator for zip files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 24 12:56:04 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:56:04 -0700
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
Message-ID: <4ABBA4A4.4020008@fourthworld.com>

Ray Horsley wrote:
> Anybody know how to determine these?  In particular, I need the file  
> type and creator for zip files.

In RevNet's Stack's section is a file named "4W File Typer" which lets 
you drop files onto it to view and change the type and creator code.

You can get to RevNet from inside Rev:  Develop->Plugins->GoRevNet


Here's the script which obtains the creator code info, using "the 
detailed files" in which each line returned as a number of 
comma-separated elements and item 11 is the combined creator and type:

on dragDrop
   get line 1 the dragData
   if it is not empty then
     put it into fld "file"
     put it into tDir
     set the itemdel to "/"
     put last item of it into tFileName
     delete last item of tDir
     put the directory into tSaveDir
     set the directory to tDir
     put the detailed files into tFiles
     set the directory to tSaveDir
     put line lineoffset(urlEncode(tFileName), tFiles) of tFiles into 
tFileData
     set the itemdel to comma
     get item 11 of tFileData
     put char 1 to 4 of it into fld "creator"
     put char 5 to 8 of it into fld "type"
   end if
end dragDrop



-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 24 13:00:16 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:00:16 -0700
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
Message-ID: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:
> Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying, swfs  
> can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's possible to  
> "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if that's important  
> to do.
> 
> The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequence of it being  
> done in Flash. 

True, the use of 6-point Nanosquint type there isn't required by Flash. 
  I've seen a great many other Flash presentations which can actually be 
read by the unaided eye.  ;)

I would like to know which part of <http://www.hybridworks.jp/> caught 
Richmond's attention.  There's a lot there, and inevitably any plugin 
will be compared to the ubiquitous Flash so it may be useful to explore 
strengths and weaknesses of each.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 13:08:12 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:08:12 -0700
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>

You can open a specific document with a specific application like this:

launch "/MyDocumentsFolder/TheDocument.doc" with "/Applications/MyApp.app"

using the path of each. and assuming the the application is capable of 
opening it.

Marty Knapp
> On kind of a related note, anybody know how to set a file to open with 
> a certain application?  This is manually done with the Get Info window 
> on the Mac but I need to do this from within a script.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 24 13:08:45 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:08:45 -0700
Subject: [OT]  How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks" in Firefox?
Message-ID: <4ABBA79D.2000001@fourthworld.com>

Really sorry for the bandwidth use, but asking this question in the busy 
forums at Mozilla hasn't yielded a reply, and my RSS feeds just aren't 
as much fun until I fix this:

How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks"?

Turning on "Always use Live Bookmarks" was so easy I did it 
accidentally. Now I'd like to turn it off, but I can find a setting in 
Prefs or anywhere else for this, and no such option is described in Help 
or at the Mozilla knowledge base.

Which config file should I edit, and what should I look for?
Or is there a simpler way?

Feel free to reply off-list if you have a solution.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Sep 24 13:19:35 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:19:35 +0200
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 24 sept. 09 ? 19:00, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Colin Holgate wrote:
>> Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying,  
>> swfs  can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's  
>> possible to  "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if  
>> that's important  to do.
>> The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequence of it  
>> being  done in Flash.
>
> True, the use of 6-point Nanosquint type there isn't required by  
> Flash.  I've seen a great many other Flash presentations which can  
> actually be read by the unaided eye.  ;)
>
> I would like to know which part of <http://www.hybridworks.jp/>  
> caught Richmond's attention.  There's a lot there, and inevitably  
> any plugin will be compared to the ubiquitous Flash so it may be  
> useful to explore strengths and weaknesses of each.
>

Here is my humble experience concerning Flash v.s. Rev:
My second son (age 18) is a student in graphic communication. He is  
NOT a programmer. He is naturally aware of Flash and I have bought  
some books about Flash and ActionScript. The result is that he just  
cannot get it. It is too complicated (and, seemingly, too much  
timeline oriented).
On the other hand, I introduced him to basic revtalk programming this  
summer. He was enthusiastic about it.
But, he was not very impressed by the revlet examples on runrev's  
site by comparison to Flash.
The lesson I have drawn is that
a) yes, it is good to see that revlets can produce animations but
b) Flash does this very well (better, actually), and it would be  
interested to have on runrev's site that emphasize the proper  
strengths of revTalk (the display of the scripts in the demos are  
very convincing, BTW).

While I  am at it, will it be possible to call externals from  
revlets? I am drooling over the possibility to have interactive demos  
of applied mathematics over the internet....

cheers,
	Fran?ois



From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Sep 24 16:22:42 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:22:42 -0700
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
	<4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>

Thanks Marty.  It's just slightly more complicated than that, though.   
In my case I've got a zip file which a script in my standalone has  
downloaded.  I'd like to decompress it automatically from the same  
script but I don't know where "Archive Utility" is or what it's named  
on the end users machine.  On my machine it's System/Library/Core  
Services/Archive Utility.app but on a friend's machine I noticed it's  
named "BOMArchive Utility" instead of "Archive Utility".  Any  
suggestions?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> You can open a specific document with a specific application like  
> this:
>
> launch "/MyDocumentsFolder/TheDocument.doc" with "/Applications/ 
> MyApp.app"
>
> using the path of each. and assuming the the application is capable  
> of opening it.
>
> Marty Knapp
>> On kind of a related note, anybody know how to set a file to open  
>> with a certain application?  This is manually done with the Get  
>> Info window on the Mac but I need to do this from within a script.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
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From christian.langers at education.lu  Thu Sep 24 13:29:41 2009
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:29:41 +0200
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4ABBAC85.2070606@education.lu>

Hi,

if you have the Developer Tools installed on Mac Os X then you have two 
wonderfull little tools :

GetFileInfo : look here : 
<http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/DOCUMENTATION/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/GetFileInfo.1.html#//apple_ref/doc/man/1/GetFileInfo>

and setFile : look here 
:<http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/DOCUMENTATION/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/SetFile.1.html#//apple_ref/doc/man/1/SetFile>

I use these with the shell() function and I like them...

Greets,

Christian


On 24/09/09 21:41, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Anybody know how to determine these?  In particular, I need the file 
> type and creator for zip files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 24 13:31:51 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:31:51 -0700
Subject: Java applets & Revlets
In-Reply-To: <7A8B2A42-A45F-41F6-BD26-BAE0DD066E17@ucsd.edu>
References: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>
	<7A8B2A42-A45F-41F6-BD26-BAE0DD066E17@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909241031o49dbaa4cwb738678577732500@mail.gmail.com>

You may be the first to try this. Revlets are still an Alpha product.
The silence from the list doesn't necessarily mean 'We are ignoring
you'. It means 'we don't have anything to say about it'. or 'We
haven't tried this yet."

The Runrev team isn't obligated to troll this list; but they
occasionally drop in and comment.

The On-Rev and Revlet features are still greatly under-documented.
Hopefully which specific features that 'do' work and not work will be
noted more clearly in future, online documentation.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev



2009/9/24 Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu>:
> Hi all,
>
> Although this list is usually pretty responsive to questions, I sent the
> email almost 48 hours ago and haven't raised a single reply. ?If I'm just
> asking foolish questions, perhaps someone could gently tell me why, and
> suggest what I might do (instead) to address the issue I raise.
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry B
>
> On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Jerry Balzano wrote:
>
>> I hope this isn't too bizarre a request.
>>
>> I want a Revlet to be able to control which of several (pre-made) Java
>> applets a user sees. ?How would one do this? ?Is it possible to embed
>> a Java applet inside a Revlet?
>>
>> I was looking through previous messages to see if this question had
>> been asked previously and I learned (a little) about a stack property
>> called the revletParams, but I don't know how or if it would apply
>> here. ?For example, would one stick the whole string
>> <applet code="org.nlogo.window.Applet"
>> ? ? ? ?archive="NetLogoLite.jar"
>> ? ? ? ?width="460" height="280">
>> ?<param name="DefaultModel"
>> ? ? ? ? value="Tag.nlogo">
>> </applet>
>> inside the revletParams? ?(And then what?)
>>
>> Sorry for the painfully naive nature of these questions, but this is
>> all untrodden ground for me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jerry Balzano
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep 24 13:36:43 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:36:43 -0400
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
	<39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <567CBBE3-AE98-4E89-95FE-9FD0CC9714E9@verizon.net>


On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

> My second son (age 18) is a student in graphic communication. He is  
> NOT a programmer. He is naturally aware of Flash and I have bought  
> some books about Flash and ActionScript. The result is that he just  
> cannot get it. It is too complicated (and, seemingly, too much  
> timeline oriented).

The majority of Flash "programmers" don't use the timeline at all. A  
lot of designers who script in Flash may well use the timeline more.

In comparing Flash and Rev, you would want to think about a specific  
task, then it's easy to show how it might be done in one tool versus  
the other. Trying to explain the entire difference in philosophy is a  
bit harder.




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 13:41:19 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:41:19 +0100
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
	<4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
	<E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <55C84F9E-9D98-42FC-A2F6-CF1618833465@azurevision.co.uk>

I'm pretty sure they are both the default names and locations, but for  
different copies of OS X.

Ian

On 24 Sep 2009, at 21:22, Ray Horsley wrote:

> I'd like to decompress it automatically from the same script but I  
> don't know where "Archive Utility" is or what it's named on the end  
> users machine.  On my machine it's System/Library/Core Services/ 
> Archive Utility.app but on a friend's machine I noticed it's named  
> "BOMArchive Utility" instead of "Archive Utility".  Any suggestions?



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 24 13:41:59 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:41:59 -0700
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
	<4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
	<E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909241041j3cdf2899yb3e89a7857ee0dee@mail.gmail.com>

you could use Tar from the shell or Rev's built in zip commands.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev



2009/9/24 Ray Horsley <Ray at linkit.com>:
> Thanks Marty. ?It's just slightly more complicated than that, though. ?In my
> case I've got a zip file which a script in my standalone has downloaded.
> ?I'd like to decompress it automatically from the same script but I don't
> know where "Archive Utility" is or what it's named on the end users machine.
> ?On my machine it's System/Library/Core Services/Archive Utility.app but on
> a friend's machine I noticed it's named "BOMArchive Utility" instead of
> "Archive Utility". ?Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>
>> You can open a specific document with a specific application like this:
>>
>> launch "/MyDocumentsFolder/TheDocument.doc" with "/Applications/MyApp.app"
>>
>> using the path of each. and assuming the the application is capable of
>> opening it.
>>
>> Marty Knapp
>>>
>>> On kind of a related note, anybody know how to set a file to open with a
>>> certain application? ?This is manually done with the Get Info window on the
>>> Mac but I need to do this from within a script.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 13:48:34 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:48:34 +0300
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ABBB0F2.1080306@gmail.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Colin Holgate wrote:
>> Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying, 
>> swfs  can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's 
>> possible to  "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if 
>> that's important  to do.
>>
>> The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequence of it being  
>> done in Flash. 
>
> True, the use of 6-point Nanosquint type there isn't required by 
> Flash.  I've seen a great many other Flash presentations which can 
> actually be read by the unaided eye.  ;)
>
> I would like to know which part of <http://www.hybridworks.jp/> caught 
> Richmond's attention.  There's a lot there, and inevitably any plugin 
> will be compared to the ubiquitous Flash so it may be useful to 
> explore strengths and weaknesses of each.
>
Ugh, I had a horrible day here: never mind, now I can settle down a bit 
. . .    :)

The way the thing reorganised its sections was rather jazzy.

The animation, and the sound connected together WITHOUT reliance on 
Quicktime.

The download links embedde within the thing.

I have been looking at that website on-and-off for about 3 years and 
have always thought
that there must be a way to do all that in RunRev; and with the 
web-plugin it is getting
nearer, but I am not sure we are all the way there yet.

--------------------------------------------------

The tiny fonts do annoy me no end; especially as the only way I can read 
them is set my
monitor resolution down to 640 by 480 which then screws up the colour.

-------------------------------------------------

I posted this because I thought it might be fun to try and duplicate the 
site as much as
possible in RunRev as a sort of mental exercise. Unfortunately as I am 
"up to here"
with my Sanskrit "Thing" I don't have the time, which is a great shame 
as I do
enjoy that sort of thing a lot.


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Sep 24 16:50:41 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:50:41 -0700
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <4ABBA4A4.4020008@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBA4A4.4020008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <988AAD7F-6D8C-49C6-949E-57D8695FF192@LinkIt.Com>

Very interesting Richard!  Thanks.  I'm finding many files, especially  
applications, come up empty for the creator and type using either of  
these methods.  I imagine applications don't have a creator and type  
but I thought a zip file would.  Maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Sep 24, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ray Horsley wrote:
>> Anybody know how to determine these?  In particular, I need the  
>> file  type and creator for zip files.
>
> In RevNet's Stack's section is a file named "4W File Typer" which  
> lets you drop files onto it to view and change the type and creator  
> code.
>
> You can get to RevNet from inside Rev:  Develop->Plugins->GoRevNet
>
>
> Here's the script which obtains the creator code info, using "the  
> detailed files" in which each line returned as a number of comma- 
> separated elements and item 11 is the combined creator and type:
>
> on dragDrop
>  get line 1 the dragData
>  if it is not empty then
>    put it into fld "file"
>    put it into tDir
>    set the itemdel to "/"
>    put last item of it into tFileName
>    delete last item of tDir
>    put the directory into tSaveDir
>    set the directory to tDir
>    put the detailed files into tFiles
>    set the directory to tSaveDir
>    put line lineoffset(urlEncode(tFileName), tFiles) of tFiles into  
> tFileData
>    set the itemdel to comma
>    get item 11 of tFileData
>    put char 1 to 4 of it into fld "creator"
>    put char 5 to 8 of it into fld "type"
>  end if
> end dragDrop
>
>
>
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Media Corporation
> Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Thu Sep 24 16:56:17 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:17 -0700
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909241041j3cdf2899yb3e89a7857ee0dee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
	<4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
	<E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
	<e5e009d70909241041j3cdf2899yb3e89a7857ee0dee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D96D38C3-52C9-4E06-A47C-2C53C8E63928@LinkIt.Com>

Very interesting Stephen!  I've never used these commands before.   
They might just do the trick for me.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:41 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> you could use Tar from the shell or Rev's built in zip commands.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
>
> 2009/9/24 Ray Horsley <Ray at linkit.com>:
>> Thanks Marty.  It's just slightly more complicated than that,  
>> though.  In my
>> case I've got a zip file which a script in my standalone has  
>> downloaded.
>>  I'd like to decompress it automatically from the same script but I  
>> don't
>> know where "Archive Utility" is or what it's named on the end users  
>> machine.
>>  On my machine it's System/Library/Core Services/Archive  
>> Utility.app but on
>> a friend's machine I noticed it's named "BOMArchive Utility"  
>> instead of
>> "Archive Utility".  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>>
>>> You can open a specific document with a specific application like  
>>> this:
>>>
>>> launch "/MyDocumentsFolder/TheDocument.doc" with "/Applications/ 
>>> MyApp.app"
>>>
>>> using the path of each. and assuming the the application is  
>>> capable of
>>> opening it.
>>>
>>> Marty Knapp
>>>>
>>>> On kind of a related note, anybody know how to set a file to open  
>>>> with a
>>>> certain application?  This is manually done with the Get Info  
>>>> window on the
>>>> Mac but I need to do this from within a script.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ray Horsley
>>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 14:11:30 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:11:30 -0500
Subject: [OT] How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks" in Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <4ABBA79D.2000001@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBA79D.2000001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ABBB652.4030106@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Really sorry for the bandwidth use, but asking this question in the busy 
> forums at Mozilla hasn't yielded a reply, and my RSS feeds just aren't 
> as much fun until I fix this:
> 
> How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks"?

I don't see an option for that either, actually. Basically you just 
subscribe to feeds whenever you want one, which then appears as a live 
bookmark folder. If you don't want the feed any longer, delete the 
folder. More here:

<http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Live+Bookmarks?style_mode=inproduct&s=live+bookmarks>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 14:52:01 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:52:01 -0500
Subject: [OT] How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks" in Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <4ABBA79D.2000001@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBA79D.2000001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ABBBFD1.5000400@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks"?

Okay, I found that checkbox. It comes up when you want to subscribe to a 
feed. So I think you'd have to start to subscribe to a feed, and when 
the dialog comes up, uncheck the checkbox. Then cancel out of the 
subscription you started. It's a theory anyway...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 14:56:33 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:56:33 +0100
Subject: Java applets & Revlets
In-Reply-To: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>
References: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909241156v44b6c163p251820da184e4c58@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/22 Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu>

> I hope this isn't too bizarre a request.
>
> I want a Revlet to be able to control which of several (pre-made) Java
> applets a user sees.  How would one do this?  Is it possible to embed a Java
> applet inside a Revlet?
>

No - as you cant have revbrowser in the revlets.


> I was looking through previous messages to see if this question had been
> asked previously and I learned (a little) about a stack property called the
> revletParams, but I don't know how or if it would apply here.  For example,
> would one stick the whole string
> <applet code="org.nlogo.window.Applet"
>        archive="NetLogoLite.jar"
>        width="460" height="280">
>  <param name="DefaultModel"
>         value="Tag.nlogo">
> </applet>
> inside the revletParams?  (And then what?)


There may be some hacks - others can maybe comment on that... but for
controlling things properly on the same page you should wait for when we can
call JavaScript from the Revlet within the context of the page. The
JavaScript can then do any AJAX style hide / show you may need as well as
communicate directly with the Java applets.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 15:06:04 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:06:04 -0500
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <988AAD7F-6D8C-49C6-949E-57D8695FF192@LinkIt.Com>
References: <4ABBA4A4.4020008@fourthworld.com>
	<988AAD7F-6D8C-49C6-949E-57D8695FF192@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4ABBC31C.4040304@hyperactivesw.com>

Ray Horsley wrote:
> Very interesting Richard!  Thanks.  I'm finding many files, especially 
> applications, come up empty for the creator and type using either of 
> these methods.  I imagine applications don't have a creator and type but 
> I thought a zip file would.  Maybe I'm wrong.

Windows and Linux don't use creator/type codes, so any files generated 
on those operating systems won't have codes. Snow Leopard ignores 
creator/type codes entirely, so I'm not sure if files generated on that 
OS will have them (I don't have Snow Leopard installed yet.) OS X relies 
more on extensions now, the way Windows and Linux do.

OS X applications that do have type codes will always be of type "APPL". 
The creator code will be unique to the app. They will, however, all have 
file name extensions of ".app". Windows applications will always have 
extensions of ".exe". Linux doesn't require a special extension for 
executables; it looks at the executable flag set on the file.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 14:58:42 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:58:42 +0100
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <988AAD7F-6D8C-49C6-949E-57D8695FF192@LinkIt.Com>
References: <4ABBA4A4.4020008@fourthworld.com>
	<988AAD7F-6D8C-49C6-949E-57D8695FF192@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <7F154ED9-0D65-4C91-8580-61C7E6BB8C5C@azurevision.co.uk>


On 24 Sep 2009, at 21:50, Ray Horsley wrote:

> I'm finding many files, especially applications, come up empty for  
> the creator and type using either of these methods.  I imagine  
> applications don't have a creator and type but I thought a zip file  
> would.  Maybe I'm wrong.

As mentioned in the link in my previous message, creator and file type  
codes are on their way out (and in theory have been since the  
introduction of OS X). :-(

Ian

P.S. The vast majority of apps on OS X are bundles/folders - therefore  
a creator code isn't appropriate in the first place.


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 15:34:32 2009
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:34:32 +0200
Subject: How do I check for two conditions to be true?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0909241234u32edf4b7p479d2133e8cf4fe4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello there,
This must be an easy one but it got me puzzled: How do I check for two
conditions to be true at the same time?
I want to check the startangle of two graphics to be true: the startangle of
grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is 20
Do I use if..then?
on mouseup
If the startangle of grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is 20 (???,
this doesn't work)
then ......(following code)
end mouseup

What to do with the check for the second graphic?
How do I combine these?

Thanks!

greetings,

William de Smet


From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 15:45:13 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:45:13 +0200
Subject: Synchronized videos with superimposition
In-Reply-To: <C6DFDBDF.4488C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6DFDBDF.4488C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <426882DF-6039-4128-9A86-C547D37DBD65@gmail.com>

Hi Scott,


>> I managed to play them all together ,
>> but can't do the superposition ( flashing at the intersection ).
>
> ..... but here are 2 things to try:
>
> 1) Try setting the alwaysBuffer property of each movie to true -- this
> allows you to layer movies just like any other object on the card.   
> The
> possible drawback is performance may suffer, the movies may not  
> play well.

Well, doing this blocks everything in my case.

>
> 2) If the above option doesn't work well, try playing the superimposed
> "overlay" movies in small, separate stacks positioned above the  
> main stack
> that contains your main background movie.  If you set the decorations
> property of the overlay stacks to "none", you will remove the  
> titlebars from
> the windows and the windows will appear to be part of your main  
> background
> stack.

Great, I'll try that later on....

Thanks
Thierry



From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 15:50:46 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:50:46 +0200
Subject: Synchronized videos with superimposition
In-Reply-To: <352E24AB-DE1A-45EA-A9AC-4D55FB3A8C93@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <31AE859A-4CC0-47A9-B2A7-E8017434EC0A@gmail.com>
	<352E24AB-DE1A-45EA-A9AC-4D55FB3A8C93@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1E46A579-8D91-4012-A390-1A3A3E124150@gmail.com>


Le 23 sept. 09 ? 23:21, Ian Wood a ?crit :

> If you want to combine them into a single video and have iWork on  
> your MacBook, Keynote will let you lay them out and resize them  
> however you want, then you can export it out as a new video ready  
> for use in the Rev slideshow (assuming there are things you want to  
> do that can't be done in Keynote).

Hi Ian,

Excellent !
Never used Keynotes before, start it, import the videos and 10  
minutes later
I had my first 'composite' video.
So, I'm save by now.. but will try Scott second option too.

Merci beaucoup
Regards,
Thierry



From claus at dreischer.de  Thu Sep 24 16:01:46 2009
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:01:46 +0200
Subject: compress <-> revZip
Message-ID: <4ABBD02A.8040100@dreischer.de>

Hi,

can someone please explain me the difference of these two compression
methods in Revolution?

Especially regarding the filesize which can be compressed/ziped and
the quality of the compression/zip.

Compress obviously can only compress what fits into the main memory.
What about revZip?
Can revZip compress a 2gig file on a 1gig machine?


Regards,
	Claus.



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Sep 24 16:03:38 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:03:38 +0200
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <567CBBE3-AE98-4E89-95FE-9FD0CC9714E9@verizon.net>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
	<39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr>
	<567CBBE3-AE98-4E89-95FE-9FD0CC9714E9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48590D48-2715-42E1-BF6E-640B42ECD348@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 24 sept. 09 ? 19:36, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> My second son (age 18) is a student in graphic communication. He  
>> is NOT a programmer. He is naturally aware of Flash and I have  
>> bought some books about Flash and ActionScript. The result is that  
>> he just cannot get it. It is too complicated (and, seemingly, too  
>> much timeline oriented).
>
> The majority of Flash "programmers" don't use the timeline at all.  
> A lot of designers who script in Flash may well use the timeline more.
>
> In comparing Flash and Rev, you would want to think about a  
> specific task, then it's easy to show how it might be done in one  
> tool versus the other. Trying to explain the entire difference in  
> philosophy is a bit harder.
>
>
Here is an example of what I would like to do online
a) user submits a sequence of numbers under text file format to revlet
b) revlet performs some digital filtering on the data (for instance:  
nested moving averages)
c) plots the output for each iteration

Another example which is slightly more complicated (you may skip):
a) user submits input and output data sequences
b) revlets computes a linear time invariant dynamical system that  
relates the input to the output, using several methods
c) revlet diagnoses accuracy and robustess of each computed model

I betcha it's simpler to do in revtalk (with or without externals)  
that in Flash. Most demos that I have seen online about the first of  
topic were in Java, not flash.
My question about externals is motivated by the fact that classical  
computing languages most probably handle numerical arrays better than  
rev.


cheers
	Fran?ois

P.S. I am waiting for a stable (and documented) release of revStudio  
4 to get involved into this....
P.P.S. I am also waiting for my macBook Pro to come back from repair  
(faulty NVIDIA card, it seems)





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 24 16:20:40 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:20:40 -0700
Subject: Setting the 'Open With'
In-Reply-To: <D96D38C3-52C9-4E06-A47C-2C53C8E63928@LinkIt.Com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
	<4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
	<E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
	<e5e009d70909241041j3cdf2899yb3e89a7857ee0dee@mail.gmail.com>
	<D96D38C3-52C9-4E06-A47C-2C53C8E63928@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909241320h7fa9117fmfa66ed92e693fe60@mail.gmail.com>

sometimes I just cruse the docs looking for commands that I've never
tried and then get ideas....!

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev



2009/9/24 Ray Horsley <Ray at linkit.com>:
> Very interesting Stephen! ?I've never used these commands before. ?They
> might just do the trick for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:41 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> you could use Tar from the shell or Rev's built in zip commands.
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/24 Ray Horsley <Ray at linkit.com>:
>>>
>>> Thanks Marty. ?It's just slightly more complicated than that, though. ?In
>>> my
>>> case I've got a zip file which a script in my standalone has downloaded.
>>> ?I'd like to decompress it automatically from the same script but I don't
>>> know where "Archive Utility" is or what it's named on the end users
>>> machine.
>>> ?On my machine it's System/Library/Core Services/Archive Utility.app but
>>> on
>>> a friend's machine I noticed it's named "BOMArchive Utility" instead of
>>> "Archive Utility". ?Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can open a specific document with a specific application like this:
>>>>
>>>> launch "/MyDocumentsFolder/TheDocument.doc" with
>>>> "/Applications/MyApp.app"
>>>>
>>>> using the path of each. and assuming the the application is capable of
>>>> opening it.
>>>>
>>>> Marty Knapp
>>>>>
>>>>> On kind of a related note, anybody know how to set a file to open with
>>>>> a
>>>>> certain application? ?This is manually done with the Get Info window on
>>>>> the
>>>>> Mac but I need to do this from within a script.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray Horsley
>>>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 24 17:06:01 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:06:01 -0700
Subject: [OT] How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks" in Firefox?
Message-ID: <4ABBDF39.90504@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks"?
> 
> Okay, I found that checkbox. It comes up when you want to subscribe to a 
> feed. So I think you'd have to start to subscribe to a feed, and when 
> the dialog comes up, uncheck the checkbox. Then cancel out of the 
> subscription you started. It's a theory anyway...

Unfortunately no go:  once you set that checkbox, from then on whenever 
you click any link to an RSS feed the only prompt you get is to where to 
store the Live Bookmarks - the checkbox itself is never shown again, and 
does not appear in Prefs. :(

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 17:30:23 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:30:23 +0300
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
Message-ID: <4ABBE4EF.6060803@gmail.com>

For those of you who haven't been to the conference or
looked at Ben Beaumont's stack (with RevMedia dp-4),
the:

Dropshadow

Inner Shadow

Outer Glow

Inner Glow

and Color Overlay

are at least as good as Photoshop's and considerably
better than GIMP's.

[Parenthetically, Todor Georgiev, one of the lead
programmers for Adobe Photoshop, used to babysit
for us occasionally when he, his wife, my wife and
I were all students at Carbodale, Illinois: we watched
the "O.J.Simpson" car chase together . . . I would love
to know what he would think of the new effects in
RunRev.]

http://www.tgeorgiev.net/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 24 19:17:41 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:17:41 -0700
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
Message-ID: <4ABBFE15.1010307@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> For those of you who haven't been to the conference or
> looked at Ben Beaumont's stack (with RevMedia dp-4),
> the:
> 
> Dropshadow
> 
> Inner Shadow
> 
> Outer Glow
> 
> Inner Glow
> 
> and Color Overlay
> 
> are at least as good as Photoshop's and considerably
> better than GIMP's.

They're gorgeous, but with two significant omissions:

1. bevels - every other of the core set of image enhancement
    goodies is there but this one, and this is the one most
    needed for making custom buttons.

2. while these image enhancements work with all objects
    (and beautifully so), the wonderful gradients added
    in the last version are limited to graphic objects
    only.   I can think of a great many cases where I'd
    like to use button objects with gradients and shadows,
    but alas it's not possible without doing the screen-
    capture-and-use-as-icon method, which is pretty much
    the same as using Photoshop or any other external
    tool to make custom buttons.  :(


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 19:20:17 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:20:17 +1000
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
> You can get them via AppleScript - 'the creator type' and 'the file type'.
> Just be aware that there is a big developer sh*tstorm blowing up about file
> and creator codes being deprecated on Snow Leopard - instead it basically
> just uses file extensions to decide what app to open when double-clicking on
> a file. :-(
>
> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/09/horrifically-bad-software-demos-become-performance-art.ars


Interesting article about UTIs, which seem to be a better & more
flexible alternative to creator codes.
<http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/09/22/inside-snow-leopards-uti-apple-fixes-the-creator-code/>

Cheers,
Sarah


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Sep 24 20:05:30 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:05:30 +0200
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
In-Reply-To: <20090924131013.7F6A148BB29@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090924131013.7F6A148BB29@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <888EEBF7-2777-4FDC-8AE2-5E286D4E75E3@derbrill.de>

Richard wrote:

 > They're gorgeous, but with two significant omissions:
*Nods*
3. I would also love to see blur. Well, maybe in 5 *dream* :)

Malte



From lists at futilism.com  Thu Sep 24 20:45:06 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:45:06 +0100
Subject: [ANN]libRevFreeDB
Message-ID: <6631EF9C-FDC7-440E-BED6-462060287B86@futilism.com>

I've made a library to get CD track data from FreeDB. It currently  
uses the pList that OS X builds for each inserted CD to get the info  
it needs to query FreeDB, so it's OS X only until I figure out how to  
get the info on Windows and Linux.

It's here:

http://maspub.s3.amazonaws.com/libRevFreeDb.zip

It comes with a little demo stack and some notes in a pdf.

As always, any comments or queries happily recieved.

Best,

Mark Smith


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 25 01:10:46 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:10:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Java applets & Revlets
In-Reply-To: <7A8B2A42-A45F-41F6-BD26-BAE0DD066E17@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <261615.59557.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Jerry,

Bear in mind that the brand-new revlet system isn't even finished yet. It is still in alpha, and there's still plenty of functionality to add before the shipping date. Hence, few people are going to take a dive deep enough to hit these sort of questions. But I'll give it a shot.

Not yet implemented, but scheduled for the release version, is the ability to interact between the revlet and the containing web page via JavaScript; as Java applets can do the same thing, you could setup JavaScript as the go-between messaging system between revlet and applet. 
But there's no way to try this just yet as the mothership's engineers still have to finish that.

What you can do, however, is use socket communication. Your Java applet can open a ServerSocket on an agreed-upon port, and the revlet can open a socket to this port and read from it or write to it. You wouldn't need anything extra and can start experimenting today.
The tricky part in this scenario is the browser security model: both Java and the RevWebEngine place their in-browser parts in a sandbox where they can't do any harm (such as reading/writing files, opening sockets, connectiong to databases,...)
And the user has to explicitly allow them out of this sandbox environment - via a security permission dislog box that sternly warns you to only do this if you really trust whoever wrote this code.

Best of luck,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu> wrote:

> From: Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu>
> Subject: Re: Java applets & Revlets
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:32 AM
> Hi all,
> 
> Although this list is usually pretty responsive to
> questions, I sent the email almost 48 hours ago and haven't
> raised a single reply.? If I'm just asking foolish
> questions, perhaps someone could gently tell me why, and
> suggest what I might do (instead) to address the issue I
> raise.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry B
> 
> On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Jerry Balzano wrote:
> 
> > I hope this isn't too bizarre a request.
> > 
> > I want a Revlet to be able to control which of several
> (pre-made) Java
> > applets a user sees.? How would one do
> this?? Is it possible to embed
> > a Java applet inside a Revlet?
> > 
> > I was looking through previous messages to see if this
> question had
> > been asked previously and I learned (a little) about a
> stack property
> > called the revletParams, but I don't know how or if it
> would apply
> > here.? For example, would one stick the whole
> string
> > <applet code="org.nlogo.window.Applet"
> >? ? ?
> ???archive="NetLogoLite.jar"
> >? ? ? ???width="460"
> height="280">
> >???<param name="DefaultModel"
> >? ? ? ? ?
> value="Tag.nlogo">
> > </applet>
> > inside the revletParams?? (And then what?)
> > 
> > Sorry for the painfully naive nature of these
> questions, but this is
> > all untrodden ground for me.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Jerry Balzano
> 


      


From tariel at mac.com  Fri Sep 25 02:16:44 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:16:44 -0400
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
Message-ID: <0E3BD641-0703-4C98-A036-159C28E8F3E6@mac.com>

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:48:35 +0100 Ian Wood  wrote:

>  Just be aware that there is a big developer sh*tstorm blowing
> up about file and creator codes being deprecated on Snow Leopard -
> instead it basically just uses file extensions to decide what app to
> open when double-clicking on a file. :-(

Here is the interesting article about this issue which claims that  
instead Apple is pushing superior alternative, UTI (Uniform Type  
Identifiers)

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/22/inside_snow_leopards_uti_apple_fixes_the_creator_code.html

Tariel




From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 03:21:19 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to get a return value from a vbs file?
In-Reply-To: <7E86350B1B0545AF9041EB9B9AD8956E@Kestner.local>
References: <7E86350B1B0545AF9041EB9B9AD8956E@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <25607565.post@talk.nabble.com>




Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> following Jim B's advice I want to change the user rights of my program
> (-sub) dir to be able to write a file with rev to that dir. Creating the
> dir
> at setup with the correct rights s one thing. Now I want to change the
> rights with icacls at an existing dir.
> 
> When calling icacls from rev directly in the shell I get a return value
> from
> icacls, but a standard user may not change the priviliges. But as far as I
> know, I can't give a parameter "runas" (Admin) to the shell. So I decided
> to
> create a small vbs file (without actually knowing vbs), where I could run
> the vbs file with "runas" to be able to change the rights of the program
> sub
> dir.
> 
> Where I now stuck is, that I don't know how to get back any return value
> from the vbs script file back into my rev, e.g the result of calling
> icacls.
> I can't just say "return" in vbs.
> 
> Any hint very welcome (Rev 3.5, Vista)
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
If you are using "do <theScript> as vbscript" from RunRev, then in the
vbscript just make sure that you set a variable named "result" and that
value will be returned to RunRev in, um, the result.
If you are using shell to kick off a script externally, such as :
get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && quote & tVBSfile & quote)
then the data that is returned to the console window by the vbscript is what
you will "get" in the "it" variable in RunRev. 
The //nologo switches suppress the usual MS text that would normally appear
in the console. So that you don't get the console actually displayed on
screen, "set the hideConsoleWindows to true" before calling the script.
Finally, to get the data to return into the console in the first place
(whether hidden or not) in the vbscript, then put the return value into a
variable (for convenience/coherence in this case) called "result" and use:
WScript.Echo result

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Sep 25 03:57:59 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:57:59 +0100
Subject: test
Message-ID: <5A3390A5-C72D-4FC2-ADD5-2D9435CA934F@azurevision.co.uk>

Just testing, some of my messages don't seem to be coming through...

Ian


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep 25 04:36:01 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:36:01 -0500
Subject: How to get a return value from a vbs file?
In-Reply-To: <7E86350B1B0545AF9041EB9B9AD8956E@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <C6E1EB21.24624%kray@sonsothunder.com>



> Where I now stuck is, that I don't know how to get back any return value
> from the vbs script file back into my rev, e.g the result of calling icacls.
> I can't just say "return" in vbs.

You use "Wscript.Echo <stuffYouWantToReturn>" at the end of the VBS file.
When you run the script file with the shell command, whatever is in
<stuffYouWantToReturn> is returned from the shell() call.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep 25 04:39:21 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:39:21 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Multi-platform tree control library (in beta)
In-Reply-To: <00C7F19E-90CE-45FC-BB06-0472A4A1AB13@theworcestersource.com>
Message-ID: <C6E1EBE9.24626%kray@sonsothunder.com>

 
> Over the past couple of months, I've been working on a tree control
> for RunRev that produces great looking controls that look like they
> belong on the platform that you're running.
> 
> For example:
> 
> Tree in Mac OSX mode
> http://theworcestersource.com/Portals/0/Blog%20Images/tease%20macosx.png
> 
> Same tree in Windows mode
> http://theworcestersource.com/Portals/0/Blog%20Images/tease%20winxp.png

Sweet! That's great, Steve, I'm really looking forward to it!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 05:41:24 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:41:24 +0300
Subject: Crashing my G3
Message-ID: <4ABC9044.5030205@gmail.com>

I played some games with RevMedia 4 on my
G3 iMac [400 MHz, 384 MB RAM] and really
froze just about everything with this:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/POLYWARP.rev.zip

a fairly silly stack that leverages the new optical
effects.

As my history teacher said years ago: "What does this
tell us?"

The jazzy new optical effects come at quite a price
in terms of processors and memory, so before
you deploy all those standalones with "drop-dead,
sexy fireworks" consider what sort of PCs your
end-users are likely to have.


From rman at free.fr  Fri Sep 25 07:26:00 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
In-Reply-To: <4ABBB0F2.1080306@gmail.com>
References: <4ABB5F7D.9000101@gmail.com> <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
	<4ABBB0F2.1080306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25610389.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi, I'm working on a highly structured web project that now seems possible
with the revlet approach. I do find this example VERY INTERESTING outlining
some major design issues on which I'm sure we can combine our thoughts for
the best of all.

1) the major point I came accross is INDEXING (precisely google indexing!).
That lead me :

- first to a page design that leaves all html structure for navigation and
only uses reduced revlet chunks. But this still leaves out quite a lot of
text outside the indexing process. And that is not particularly appealing;
This would otherwie be my best choice!

- secondly to a 100% html page design as simple as possible, and strictly
informative, plus a link to download the full screen revlet, where
everything is dynamic like the example above. That's my as best can be
choice yet.

- thirdly to a mix where I have a mostly html page with small revlets
incorporated that talk to each other and that only provide the dynamic
functions like participating, editing, and viewing statistics, dynamic
numbers which are of little use for indexing. So far this is not trivial to
do, and I have not fully tested that approach. This is a maybe approach in
research!

So I stick so far to possibility 2 : simple cms design + link to fully
dynamic version that can be revlet or desktop intracting directly with the
database sitting on on-rev.

What are your thoughts fellows? Somebody mentionned that flash can be
indexed and accessed by indexing automates : how is that possible? thanks!

2) the font thing seems trivial to me since it is always possible in the
design to take that into account and have a format revlet (all revlet on a
page can talk via variable sharing) that drives the size of the fonts. And
this is even more trivial in a big full screen revlet.

3) on the other hand the dependancie on quicktime is to me a pain in the....
! We are soon going to have HTML5 media tags. How wil that relate to
quicktime?? Will that be more advanced and quicktime independant than revlet
will be??? 

I really see revlets as a neat way to do small buttons, or bigger dynamic
buttons, banners, with some kind of feedback (numbers, wheather, the
clock!), forms, particularly editing forms, e.i replacing obscures php
objects by readable and easier to make and maintain rev objects. These
actually are the examples provided on the revMedia site...

To summerize : I see providing full revlet interface as a complement,
possibly with a fee to account for a nicer experience, but never as a
replacement to a site, mainly for indexing reasons. And that may be a neat
way in the future to provide a two levels web experience : a free one html,
moderately interactive, but well indexed, and a paid level with a revlet, a
high level of interaction and more subtle interface. What are your thoughts?

Food for thoughts,
Robert


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From gjbalzano at ucsd.edu  Fri Sep 25 08:48:13 2009
From: gjbalzano at ucsd.edu (Jerry Balzano)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:48:13 -0700
Subject: Java applets & Revlets
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909241031o49dbaa4cwb738678577732500@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FA317228-F2D9-43EC-9C2C-D47CD5994964@ucsd.edu>
	<7A8B2A42-A45F-41F6-BD26-BAE0DD066E17@ucsd.edu>
	<e5e009d70909241031o49dbaa4cwb738678577732500@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A8AFB5-D7F5-407A-8DE2-E91EA0ED3DB7@ucsd.edu>

Thanks, Stephen, for your reply, which actually does clarify what was  
an ambiguous situation for me.  At least now I know I need to take up  
my question with Rev-support directly because at this point they're  
the only ones who might provide an answer.

I'll report back if I find out anything interesting/useful.

Jerry

On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:31 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> You may be the first to try this. Revlets are still an Alpha product.
> The silence from the list doesn't necessarily mean 'We are ignoring
> you'. It means 'we don't have anything to say about it'. or 'We
> haven't tried this yet."
>
> The Runrev team isn't obligated to troll this list; but they
> occasionally drop in and comment.
>
> The On-Rev and Revlet features are still greatly under-documented.
> Hopefully which specific features that 'do' work and not work will be
> noted more clearly in future, online documentation.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
>
> 2009/9/24 Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Although this list is usually pretty responsive to questions, I  
>> sent the
>> email almost 48 hours ago and haven't raised a single reply.  If  
>> I'm just
>> asking foolish questions, perhaps someone could gently tell me why,  
>> and
>> suggest what I might do (instead) to address the issue I raise.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jerry B
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Jerry Balzano wrote:
>>
>>> I hope this isn't too bizarre a request.
>>>
>>> I want a Revlet to be able to control which of several (pre-made)  
>>> Java
>>> applets a user sees.  How would one do this?  Is it possible to  
>>> embed
>>> a Java applet inside a Revlet?
>>>
>>> I was looking through previous messages to see if this question had
>>> been asked previously and I learned (a little) about a stack  
>>> property
>>> called the revletParams, but I don't know how or if it would apply
>>> here.  For example, would one stick the whole string
>>> <applet code="org.nlogo.window.Applet"
>>>        archive="NetLogoLite.jar"
>>>        width="460" height="280">
>>>  <param name="DefaultModel"
>>>         value="Tag.nlogo">
>>> </applet>
>>> inside the revletParams?  (And then what?)
>>>
>>> Sorry for the painfully naive nature of these questions, but this is
>>> all untrodden ground for me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jerry Balzano
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Sep 25 09:26:34 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:26:34 -0400
Subject: Perl and Revolution at OSDC.fr 2009
Message-ID: <0FF55C7C-627C-44B1-B501-7F4F2516E4DC@mangomultimedia.com>

I just heard that Thierry Douez was accepted to present at OSDC.fr  
2009. In his presentation he will be showing off the Perl/Revolution  
integration he has been working on.

<http://act.osdc.fr/osdc2009fr/talk/2399>

Thierry presented his Perl external for Revolution at RunRevLive 09.

Congratulations Thierry!

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Application Development with Revolution Course: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com/software/revproappdev/

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Fri Sep 25 12:35:33 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:35:33 -0700
Subject: Renaming and Deleting
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909241041j3cdf2899yb3e89a7857ee0dee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C0681A1-4EF5-4BAC-94DC-16315114135D@LinkIt.Com>
	<4ABBA77C.1050609@comcast.net>
	<E93DD791-8349-4CFD-8C81-1C42BAE6C279@LinkIt.Com>
	<e5e009d70909241041j3cdf2899yb3e89a7857ee0dee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <273D7625-1F78-4FAD-B01F-407592FEE24E@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings Users,

I've discovered that rename oldFolderPath to newFolderPath doesn't  
work on Windows.  (Works fine on Mac as far as I can tell.)  I'm not  
trying to relocate a folder, just rename it.  No files in the folder  
are open when I try to do this.

I've also discovered that delete file myFilePath doesn't work for  
certain files depending on which platform you're on.  I've made sure  
these files are not open while I'm trying to delete them.  On the Mac  
I can't delete a stand alone.  I also can't delete bundles such as the  
revbrowser.bundle or revexternals.bundle files.  On Windows I can  
delete a standalone but I can't delete the corresponding dll files  
such as revbrowser.dll or revxml.dll.  The only thing I get in the  
result is "can't delete that file".

Does anybody have any 'insudtrial strength' ways in which a folder can  
be renamed and these particular files can be deleted.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software



From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Sep 25 10:56:13 2009
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:56:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: revVideograbber CPU use
Message-ID: <loom.20090925T163928-308@post.gmane.org>

When revVideograbber is previewing or recording the
 CPU use on my Mac Book Pro (2.2 Ghz Intel Core 2 
Duo)  spikes up to about 105 %.   (This gets the fan 
running quite high) I have checked other apps that 
record video.  Quicktime player goes up to over 150% 
when previewing or recording.  Another  application 
BTV Pro, (www.bensoftware.com) which when 
recording the CPU use is around 100 - 147%  but when 
previewing is only about 25%.   


Is there a way to reduce the CPU use at least during 
previewing?
While previewing or recording with revVideograbber 
I have a repeat loop to call the revVideoGrabIdle with 
a 'wait 1 millisecond with messages' command to  
give proccessing time for other processes.   Is this a 
factor in the CPU use.   Is there a best practice in 
terms of how often to call the RevVideoGrabIdle 
command?

Thanks for any comments.

Martin Koob



From rman at free.fr  Fri Sep 25 12:05:30 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet.
Message-ID: <25610389.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi, I'm working on a highly structured web project that now seems possible
with the revlet approach. I do find this example VERY INTERESTING outlining
some major design issues on which I'm sure we can combine our thoughts for
the best of all.

1) the major point I came accross is INDEXING (precisely google indexing!).
That lead me :

- first to a page design that leaves all html structure for navigation and
only uses reduced revlet chunks. But this still leaves out quite a lot of
text outside the indexing process. And that is not particularly appealing;
This would otherwie be my best choice!

- secondly to a 100% html page design as simple as possible, and strictly
informative, plus a link to download the full screen revlet, where
everything is dynamic like the example above. That's my as best can be
choice yet.

- thirdly to a mix where I have a mostly html page with small revlets
incorporated that talk to each other and that only provide the dynamic
functions like participating, editing, and viewing statistics, dynamic
numbers which are of little use for indexing. So far this is not trivial to
do, and I have not fully tested that approach. This is a maybe approach in
research!

So I stick so far to possibility 2 : simple cms design + link to fully
dynamic version that can be revlet or desktop intracting directly with the
database sitting on on-rev.

What are your thoughts fellows? Somebody mentionned that flash can be
indexed and accessed by indexing automates : how is that possible? thanks!

2) the font thing seems trivial to me since it is always possible in the
design to take that into account and have a format revlet (all revlet on a
page can talk via variable sharing) that drives the size of the fonts. And
this is even more trivial in a big full screen revlet.

3) on the other hand the dependancie on quicktime is to me a pain in the....
! We are soon going to have HTML5 media tags. How wil that relate to
quicktime?? Will that be more advanced and quicktime independant than revlet
will be??? 

I really see revlets as a neat way to do small buttons, or bigger dynamic
buttons, banners, with some kind of feedback (numbers, wheather, the
clock!), forms, particularly editing forms, e.i replacing obscures php
objects by readable and easier to make and maintain rev objects. These
actually are the examples provided on the revMedia site...

To summerize : I see providing full revlet interface as a complement,
possibly with a fee to account for a nicer experience, but never as a
replacement to a site, mainly for indexing reasons. And that may be a neat
way in the future to provide a two levels web experience : a free one html,
moderately interactive, but well indexed, and a paid level with a revlet, a
high level of interaction and more subtle interface. What are your thoughts?

Food for thoughts,
Robert

why is this msg not accepted??? 
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Fri Sep 25 16:24:16 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:24:16 -0700
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <7F154ED9-0D65-4C91-8580-61C7E6BB8C5C@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4ABBA4A4.4020008@fourthworld.com>
	<988AAD7F-6D8C-49C6-949E-57D8695FF192@LinkIt.Com>
	<7F154ED9-0D65-4C91-8580-61C7E6BB8C5C@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <239FF694-EACA-4152-A7FE-88BF7EDDC7C2@LinkIt.Com>

Thanks Ian.  I appreciate the clarification.

Ray


On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 24 Sep 2009, at 21:50, Ray Horsley wrote:
>
>> I'm finding many files, especially applications, come up empty for  
>> the creator and type using either of these methods.  I imagine  
>> applications don't have a creator and type but I thought a zip file  
>> would.  Maybe I'm wrong.
>
> As mentioned in the link in my previous message, creator and file  
> type codes are on their way out (and in theory have been since the  
> introduction of OS X). :-(
>
> Ian
>
> P.S. The vast majority of apps on OS X are bundles/folders -  
> therefore a creator code isn't appropriate in the first place.
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 25 13:40:33 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open many instances of one stack
Message-ID: <25616162.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

I need open many instances of the same stack. These stacks perform a
queries.
I want drag & drop and after drop open the stack. 
How can launch instances of the same stack? Like Textedit create new
document.

Any tip about use this for performance and stability?

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 25 13:51:22 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to create a background process
Message-ID: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

I need launch a process that startup with the application and finish when
close the app. This with preopenstack and closestack can be controlled.
The process need every x time check or perform some action. But each time
that the process run the x var will be randomized and execute the process
depending the last x value.

Like a cron job but every new execution will be variable.

Any idea how to handle this?

Salut,
Josep
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Sep 25 13:51:44 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:51:44 -0600
Subject: How do I check for two conditions to be true?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0909241234u32edf4b7p479d2133e8cf4fe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0909241234u32edf4b7p479d2133e8cf4fe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E2950ED-AAF2-474E-822F-EE66062B3457@byu.edu>


On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:34 PM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hello there,
> This must be an easy one but it got me puzzled: How do I check for two
> conditions to be true at the same time?
> I want to check the startangle of two graphics to be true: the  
> startangle of
> grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is 20
> Do I use if..then?
> on mouseup
> If the startangle of grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is  
> 20 (???,
> this doesn't work)
> then ......(following code)
> end mouseup
>
> What to do with the check for the second graphic?
> How do I combine these?

You're very close. Just use the keyword AND (not case senstive, just  
in upper case for clarity):

if the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 AND \
     the startangle of grc "bar" is 20 then
    -- do stuff
end if

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From lists at futilism.com  Fri Sep 25 14:02:48 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:02:48 +0100
Subject: [ANN]libRevFreeDb update
Message-ID: <13491ECA-8955-47A7-8080-283AB99841E0@futilism.com>

I've only just started getting the list mails through again, so I  
don't know if my previous announcement made it, but I've made a  
library for getting the cd title, artist, track titles and  
(sometimes) year of a cd from the FreeDB system.

It now works on windows as well as macs, though is limited on windows  
(by the MCISendString mechanism, I think) to CDs in drive D, and to  
audio only CDs - no mixed mode Cds, sadly.

It includes a simple demo stack, and a pdf of some usage notes.
It's here:

http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html

All comments cheerfully recieved....

Best,

Mark Smith


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 25 14:04:07 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:04:07 -0700
Subject: Open many instances of one stack
Message-ID: <4ABD0617.5030400@fourthworld.com>

Josep wrote:
> I need open many instances of the same stack. These stacks perform a
> queries.
> I want drag & drop and after drop open the stack. 
> How can launch instances of the same stack? Like Textedit create new
> document.
> 
> Any tip about use this for performance and stability?

See the clone command.  You can make a document template stack and just 
clone it as needed to display data stored in the user's file.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Sep 25 14:21:55 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:21:55 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
Message-ID: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>

Well, if it's Friday (and it is here!), it has the potential of being...

FEATURE FRIDAY!

Here's what's new in tRev today:

- Search tRev Support Site via tRev's Help menu
- Definitions expanded with more synonyms
- Select Structure now supports every weird form of IF-THEN-ELSE you  
can imagine
- Backspace, return key now dependably set dirty flag
- A couple of cool commands now supported in Raptor Handlers

And, of course, there's a new video:

     http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-modest-but-meaningful

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Sep 25 15:10:20 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:10:20 +0100
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>


On 25 Sep 2009, at 00:20, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/09/horrifically-bad-software-demos-become-performance-art.ars
>>

Not sure how I posted that link by mistake, it should have been:

http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits/2009/09/metadata-madness.ars


On 25 Sep 2009, at 07:16, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:

> Here is the interesting article about this issue which claims that  
> instead Apple is pushing superior alternative, UTI (Uniform Type  
> Identifiers)

As far as I'm aware, there is currently *no* option in the UTI scheme  
to set the default opening application individually on a per-file  
basis - just per-extension.
If you want some of your .rev files to open in Rev and some to open in  
your own app by default then in Snow Leopard you will have to manually  
set the default app for those files in the Get Info window of the  
Finder.

In other words UTIs *would* be superior if they could fulfil the old  
functionality as well as expanding it.

Ian


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 25 16:14:00 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:14:00 -0700
Subject: How do I check for two conditions to be true?
In-Reply-To: <1E2950ED-AAF2-474E-822F-EE66062B3457@byu.edu>
References: <b016f13e0909241234u32edf4b7p479d2133e8cf4fe4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E2950ED-AAF2-474E-822F-EE66062B3457@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AE1D680B-E85E-4CBE-8DF9-3F5CD38123BB@yahoo.com>

Just a little further down the logic trail

   put the the startangle of grc "bar" into barAng
    if ( the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 AND \
           ( barAng < 90 OR barAng  > 180 ) \
           then
          -- barAng not in 2nd quadrant
    end if

if ( the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 ) OR \
       ( the startangle of grc "bar" is 20 ) \
           then
       -- do stuff
    end if

Hope this adds a bit to your fun.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:34 PM, William de Smet wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>> This must be an easy one but it got me puzzled: How do I check for  
>> two
>> conditions to be true at the same time?
>> I want to check the startangle of two graphics to be true: the  
>> startangle of
>> grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is 20
>> Do I use if..then?
>> on mouseup
>> If the startangle of grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is  
>> 20 (???,
>> this doesn't work)
>> then ......(following code)
>> end mouseup
>>
>> What to do with the check for the second graphic?
>> How do I combine these?
>
> You're very close. Just use the keyword AND (not case senstive, just  
> in upper case for clarity):
>
> if the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 AND \
>    the startangle of grc "bar" is 20 then
>   -- do stuff
> end if
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 25 16:40:17 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:40:17 -0700
Subject: [OSX] mouse & keyboard 'bug' in OSX 10.5
Message-ID: <58C53444-406D-427E-8CB4-2732BF527AF7@yahoo.com>

Over the last several months, my system 10.5 seems to get into a mode  
that ignores the number pad keys on the extended keyboard.

Beyond that, when I do try to use the number pad, nothing gets entered  
into a word processor or spreadsheet, or anything, THEN the mouse down  
does not select menus including the Apple menu to restart the machine,  
etc, etc.

Fix: since the mouse won't work,  go to spotlight (cmd-spacebar) enter  
"Use keypad instead of mouse"
and note the top radio buttons that show Mouse Keys ON

-1- if the checkbox named "Press the Option key..." is ON, then press  
it 5 times
-2- If that checkbox is OFF, then use the power button to restart your  
computer.  You now have mouse control again, so use the mouse to turn  
Mouse Keys OFF.

-3- also turn OFF the checkbox for "Press the Option key 5 times..."

What a pain...  it just happens every 5-6 weeks.
I had to restart my computer and lose about an hour's work.
This is the reason... OSX 10.5

Now I know.  Last January I tossed a keyboard thinking it had bit the  
dust.
That would make a total of 2 keyboards and a hub, about $180, over the  
last year.

It could be I pressed the option key 5 times and did not realize it...  
highly unlikely.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas 


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 25 16:59:05 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:59:05 EDT
Subject: How to create a background process
Message-ID: <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>

Josep

Try this crude example, and add your own timing and functionality. In the 
card script:

on preopenStack
   send yourMessage to this cd
end preopenStack

on yourMessage var
    if var = 5 then close this stack -- some condition to exit 
    put random(9) into var
    put var --just to see it
    send yourMessage && var to this card in 2 seconds -- your timing here
end yourMessage

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/25/09 1:51:46 PM, jmyepes at mac.com writes:


> The process need every x time check or perform some action. But each time
> that the process run the x var will be randomized and execute the process
> depending the last x value.
> 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 25 17:43:00 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:43:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks" in Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <4ABBDF39.90504@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBDF39.90504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ABD3964.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>> How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks"?
>>
>> Okay, I found that checkbox. It comes up when you want to subscribe to 
>> a feed. So I think you'd have to start to subscribe to a feed, and 
>> when the dialog comes up, uncheck the checkbox. Then cancel out of the 
>> subscription you started. It's a theory anyway...
> 
> Unfortunately no go:  once you set that checkbox, from then on whenever 
> you click any link to an RSS feed the only prompt you get is to where to 
> store the Live Bookmarks - the checkbox itself is never shown again, and 
> does not appear in Prefs. :(

Aha. Here: <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=896375>

They shouldn't make this so hard.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 25 18:09:03 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:09:03 -0700
Subject: [OT] How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks" in Firefox?
Message-ID: <4ABD3F7F.4050505@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>
>>>> How do I turn off "Always use Live Bookmarks"?
>>>
>>> Okay, I found that checkbox. It comes up when you want to subscribe to 
>>> a feed. So I think you'd have to start to subscribe to a feed, and 
>>> when the dialog comes up, uncheck the checkbox. Then cancel out of the 
>>> subscription you started. It's a theory anyway...
>> 
>> Unfortunately no go:  once you set that checkbox, from then on whenever 
>> you click any link to an RSS feed the only prompt you get is to where to 
>> store the Live Bookmarks - the checkbox itself is never shown again, and 
>> does not appear in Prefs. :(
> 
> Aha. Here: <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=896375>
> 
> They shouldn't make this so hard.

Thank you, Jacque. I'd looked in Peferences->Applications before, but 
silly me I was looking for "RSS" or "XML" -- "Web Feeds"?  Oh well, at 
least it's resolved.

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  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 19:43:48 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:43:48 +1000
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>

> As far as I'm aware, there is currently *no* option in the UTI scheme to set
> the default opening application individually on a per-file basis - just
> per-extension.
> If you want some of your .rev files to open in Rev and some to open in your
> own app by default then in Snow Leopard you will have to manually set the
> default app for those files in the Get Info window of the Finder.
>
> In other words UTIs *would* be superior if they could fulfil the old
> functionality as well as expanding it.


My reading of the Roughly Drafted article, is that the UTIs will have
all the abilities of creator codes on a per file as well as file
extension basis. The article is re-printed at Apple Insider
<http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/22/inside_snow_leopards_uti_apple_fixes_the_creator_code.html>
where they have the images large enough to read. There is a good one
on page 3 showing a hierarchy of file usages.

Since this (like creator codes) depends on software developers setting
up the right links, we need the RunRev standalone builder to start
giving us the option to define a UTI for our apps, as well as, or
instead of a creator code & file type.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 20:01:55 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:01:55 +1000
Subject: Open many instances of one stack
In-Reply-To: <25616162.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25616162.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909251701s5abf1093lac24206b6f342c3@mail.gmail.com>

> I need open many instances of the same stack. These stacks perform a
> queries.
> I want drag & drop and after drop open the stack.
> How can launch instances of the same stack? Like Textedit create new
> document.

Here is a good article about doing just that.
<http://www.theworcestersource.com/articles/documentcentricapplications/tabid/59/language/en-US/Default.aspx>

Cheers,
Sarah


From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 25 20:22:56 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open many instances of one stack
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909251701s5abf1093lac24206b6f342c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25616162.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860909251701s5abf1093lac24206b6f342c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25621001.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks for the info. :)



Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
>> I need open many instances of the same stack. These stacks perform a
>> queries.
>> I want drag & drop and after drop open the stack.
>> How can launch instances of the same stack? Like Textedit create new
>> document.
> 
> Here is a good article about doing just that.
> <http://www.theworcestersource.com/articles/documentcentricapplications/tabid/59/language/en-US/Default.aspx>
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 25 20:24:09 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25621008.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks, I will try to test my process.

Salut,
Josep


dunbarx wrote:
> 
> Josep
> 
> Try this crude example, and add your own timing and functionality. In the 
> card script:
> 
> on preopenStack
>    send yourMessage to this cd
> end preopenStack
> 
> on yourMessage var
>     if var = 5 then close this stack -- some condition to exit 
>     put random(9) into var
>     put var --just to see it
>     send yourMessage && var to this card in 2 seconds -- your timing here
> end yourMessage
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> In a message dated 9/25/09 1:51:46 PM, jmyepes at mac.com writes:
> 
> 
>> The process need every x time check or perform some action. But each time
>> that the process run the x var will be randomized and execute the process
>> depending the last x value.
>> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 25 20:38:29 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:38:29 -0500
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>	<f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>	<EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABD6285.7020902@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Since this (like creator codes) depends on software developers setting
> up the right links, we need the RunRev standalone builder to start
> giving us the option to define a UTI for our apps, as well as, or
> instead of a creator code & file type.

The SB has an entry for a "bundle identifier" which I thought was the 
same thing. Or is that different?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 25 20:40:34 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:40:34 -0700
Subject: "Helper Application"?
Message-ID: <4ABD6302.1050608@fourthworld.com>

The RevTalk Dictionary entry for the "environment" function lists 
"helper application" as one of the possible values the function can return:

    If the environment function returns "helper application",
    Revolution is running as a helper application, configured
    by a web browser to display web-based content.

That's not the same as the plugin, is it?  That entry is from the v3.0 
dictionary, long before the plugin was even in development.

What does it mean for a Rev standalone to be "configured by a web 
browser to display web-based content"?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 25 21:56:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:56:38 -0500
Subject: "Helper Application"?
In-Reply-To: <4ABD6302.1050608@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABD6302.1050608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ABD74D6.6020805@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> The RevTalk Dictionary entry for the "environment" function lists 
> "helper application" as one of the possible values the function can return:
> 
>    If the environment function returns "helper application",
>    Revolution is running as a helper application, configured
>    by a web browser to display web-based content.
> 
> That's not the same as the plugin, is it?  That entry is from the v3.0 
> dictionary, long before the plugin was even in development.
> 
> What does it mean for a Rev standalone to be "configured by a web 
> browser to display web-based content"?

Browsers let you specify what apps to open if they can't display web 
content themselves. So if you click a .rev link on a web page, and you 
have assigned the browser to use Rev to open .rev files, then the 
browser will pass the link off to Revolution and launch it. It's the 
same as assigning .doc files to Word. I didn't know the environment 
would change when that happens though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 23:09:35 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:09:35 +1000
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <4ABD6285.7020902@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ABD6285.7020902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909252009j2030439k6820d8a69e2a72df@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:38 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Since this (like creator codes) depends on software developers setting
>> up the right links, we need the RunRev standalone builder to start
>> giving us the option to define a UTI for our apps, as well as, or
>> instead of a creator code & file type.
>
> The SB has an entry for a "bundle identifier" which I thought was the same
> thing. Or is that different?


I THINK that's different, but I don't really know. However here is how
I think it works...

Imagine you have an app that creates HTML files.
You might want to just let the default browser handle them, so you
would need a UTI with "public.html"
If you wanted these files to open your app when double-clicked (even
though they were standard HTML files that would work in a browser),
you would need to set up your own UTI of say
"com.mydomain.myapp.web-page".
The same app might also produce text files, so you would also need a
UTI with "com.mydomain.myapp.plain-text".

The bundle identifier looks to be in the same sort of format, but you
an only have one per app, and I don't think you would want it to be
something completely general like "public.html".

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep 26 00:07:33 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:07:33 -0500
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909252009j2030439k6820d8a69e2a72df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>	<f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>	<EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>	<f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>	<4ABD6285.7020902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860909252009j2030439k6820d8a69e2a72df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABD9385.9040505@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Imagine you have an app that creates HTML files.
> You might want to just let the default browser handle them, so you
> would need a UTI with "public.html"
> If you wanted these files to open your app when double-clicked (even
> though they were standard HTML files that would work in a browser),
> you would need to set up your own UTI of say
> "com.mydomain.myapp.web-page".
> The same app might also produce text files, so you would also need a
> UTI with "com.mydomain.myapp.plain-text".
> 
> The bundle identifier looks to be in the same sort of format, but you
> an only have one per app, and I don't think you would want it to be
> something completely general like "public.html".

I looked at the plist that the SB generates. There are identifiers at 
the bottom, and I think we could just add our own to these:

<key>UTExportedTypeDeclarations</key>
	<array>
		<dict>
			<key>UTTypeIdentifier</key>
			<string>com.runrev.revolution.stack</string>
			<key>UTTypeDescription</key>
			<string>Revolution Stack</string>
			<key>UTTypeConformsTo</key>
			<array>
				<string>public.data</string>
			</array>
			<key>UTTypeTagSpecification</key>
			<dict>
				<key>com.apple.macos.ostype</key>
				<string>RSTK</string>
				<key>public.filename-extension</key>
				<array>
					<string>rev</string>
				</array>
			</dict>
		</dict>
	</array>


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 26 00:15:32 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:15:32 -0700
Subject: "Helper Application"?
Message-ID: <4ABD9564.3010306@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> The RevTalk Dictionary entry for the "environment" function lists 
>> "helper application" as one of the possible values the function can return:
>> 
>>    If the environment function returns "helper application",
>>    Revolution is running as a helper application, configured
>>    by a web browser to display web-based content.
>> 
>> That's not the same as the plugin, is it?  That entry is from the v3.0 
>> dictionary, long before the plugin was even in development.
>> 
>> What does it mean for a Rev standalone to be "configured by a web 
>> browser to display web-based content"?
> 
> Browsers let you specify what apps to open if they can't display web 
> content themselves. So if you click a .rev link on a web page, and you 
> have assigned the browser to use Rev to open .rev files, then the 
> browser will pass the link off to Revolution and launch it. It's the 
> same as assigning .doc files to Word. I didn't know the environment 
> would change when that happens though.

Me neither.

I've used Rev standalones as helper apps before, but IIRC the app just 
gets an odoc event when the browser hands it a stack, and the engine 
doesm't bother to notice whether it was handed the stack from a browser 
or the Finder.

I suspect this may be a holdover from the olden MC days when it was 
Unix-only.  Would be nice if there was a way a standalone could 
distinguish how it was launched, though.  There's a world of 
opportunities still unexploited with helper apps....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Sep 26 01:33:35 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:33:35 -0700
Subject: [ONREV] beginner - site download
In-Reply-To: <E3643EE9-5DBA-4E6F-8E2F-12B2A46A7FD3@pacifier.com>
References: <F58B8960-54D6-44E4-86DF-0758E3D8B543@yahoo.com>
	<2E63D77E-0B22-4441-BCFA-A7BAC5C8640C@pacifier.com>
	<14FEF2D8-CBB8-4659-B392-0B87A718EB95@yahoo.com>
	<E3643EE9-5DBA-4E6F-8E2F-12B2A46A7FD3@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <BE35CD6D-B9E2-43AF-9849-5A3FA376C43D@pacifier.com>

Blue Crab is back on line again.  Actually Limit Point Software is  
back on
line and they make Blue Crab which is available if you are interested.

Here is the link to Blue Crab,

http://www.limit-point.com/BlueCrab/BlueCrab.html

-=>JB<=-



On Sep 23, 2009, at 5:41 AM, -= JB =- wrote:

> Blue Crab is made by Limit Point Software.  When I went to the forum
> I did not find my message but I didn't look real hard so it may  
> still be
> there.  It will be listed under the user name sundown.
>
> I started my version of Blue Crab and looked for updates and it was
> not able to find the server for some reason.  I do not know if they  
> are
> out of business but when I access their site it says GONE from this
> server..  If you can find Blue Crab it is a good program and only cost
> around $25.
>
> Another place to look is Pure-Mac
>
> http://www.pure-mac.com/
>
> check under WWW which is on the far right and click on Page Rippers.
> Blue Crab is listed there but the link is the same as I have and is  
> GONE
> but they list other programs that do the same thing.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the note, I am on OSX, so BlueCrab is a great tip!!
>>
>> Also, you brought up the OnRev forum, which is another question.
>> When I go to the forum at
>> http://forums.on-rev.com/
>>        it says "This board has no forums."
>>
>> It seems like many logical starting points for learning OnRev are  
>> not on that site or difficult to find.
>> Is there something I am missing?
>> The link to BlueCrab would be nice to follow.
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:16 AM, -= JB =- wrote:
>>
>>> I answered that question for Mac users in the OnRev forum and left
>>> a link to a program named BlueCrab that will download the whole
>>> site plus it has instructions which type of code will work properly
>>> after downloading and if not why it might not work.
>>>
>>> If you are not using a Mac I am sure there are similar programs for
>>> your type of computer that will download it for you.
>>>
>>> -=>JB<=-
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am getting into OnRev this week and have a question about a  
>>>> comment on page..
>>>> http://samples.on-rev.com/index.irev
>>>>
>>>> part of the instructions say
>>>>  'You can also download a complete copy of this website if you  
>>>> would like to take it apart and look at how everything has been  
>>>> done.'
>>>>
>>>> but nothing says how to do it.
>>>> Can anyone answer how to download the Samples web site?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jim Ault
>>>> Las Vegas
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>> jimaultwins at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Sat Sep 26 02:29:47 2009
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:29:47 +0200
Subject: Creating image from text..
Message-ID: <08E73484-F977-43C0-827F-60BCEF2DE84D@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

his there a way to create a great number of JPEG image from small  
text ( something like BA,BI,BO,BU,FA,FI,FO,FU in small 32x32 JPEG  
image) with Revolution.

Jean-Pierre




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep 26 02:45:43 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:45:43 -0700
Subject: Creating image from text..
In-Reply-To: <08E73484-F977-43C0-827F-60BCEF2DE84D@wanadoo.fr>
References: <08E73484-F977-43C0-827F-60BCEF2DE84D@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909252345v3a7b0fd5sd11b3d1930960300@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jean-Pierre,
I'm not sure what you are asking.
do you mean do you want to represent the binary data of a jpg image as a
more easily stored text string?

yes  I have done this. Look into  Base64Encode/decode.

I don't understand BA,BI,etc.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/25 Jean-Pierre Soto <jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr>

> Hello,
>
> his there a way to create a great number of JPEG image from small text (
> something like BA,BI,BO,BU,FA,FI,FO,FU in small 32x32 JPEG image) with
> Revolution.
>
> Jean-Pierre
>
>
>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep 26 04:00:40 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:00:40 +0200
Subject: Creating image from text..
In-Reply-To: <08E73484-F977-43C0-827F-60BCEF2DE84D@wanadoo.fr>
References: <08E73484-F977-43C0-827F-60BCEF2DE84D@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4D5C4D7F-8E73-48D4-81AC-1480EDCEA3A4@economy-x-talk.com>

Jean-Pierre,

put "BA" into fld 1
export snapshot from fld 1 to file "~/folder/file.png" as PNG

Put this inside a repeat loop and replace "BA" and "file.png" with  
variables.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 26 sep 2009, at 08:29, Jean-Pierre Soto wrote:

> Hello,
>
> his there a way to create a great number of JPEG image from small  
> text ( something like BA,BI,BO,BU,FA,FI,FO,FU in small 32x32 JPEG  
> image) with Revolution.
>
> Jean-Pierre



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep 26 04:09:02 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
In-Reply-To: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
References: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
Message-ID: <25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able to
support it also on Win7 or XP or Linux, or is it because it actually will
not run on them?  

Not surely an unreasonable question about something which is promoted so
heavily on the general mailing list for what is supposed to be a
multi-platform product?


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View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--tRev-Feature-Friday---modest-but-meaningful-tp25616835p25623237.html
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat Sep 26 04:10:47 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:10:47 +0100
Subject: File Types and Creator Codes
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038D62.4ABB8F70@the-office.us>
	<1B3D1735-9A0E-4498-B0A7-FE2CF5C64870@LinkIt.Com>
	<7A1EC829-14EF-4B05-95E0-45D5A8FD5608@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909241620n7c85babaybc71c63f73870307@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF84FBE7-1DEA-4D98-8312-1C13D88C6B48@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f99b52860909251643k18b29b97vd135f96f8cde700a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63B58785-365B-4920-8ECB-4CB988F2F9F4@azurevision.co.uk>


On 26 Sep 2009, at 00:43, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> My reading of the Roughly Drafted article, is that the UTIs will have
> all the abilities of creator codes on a per file as well as file
> extension basis.

No it doesn't, which is why all the fuss is kicking up. You need to  
read the comments as well, because the author left out information in  
the main article.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/09/22/inside-snow-leopards-uti-apple-fixes-the-creator-code/#comment-21182


"So no, UTI isn?t a drop in replacement for Creators that does exactly  
the same thing, because doing exactly the same thing is not the  
desired behavior (from Apple?s perspective). UTI offers a broad  
solution to a variety of problems, and allows a form of Type/Creator  
functionality (although certainly not identical).
The bottom line appears to be, if you want documents bound to a  
specific app, you either do it by file type (assigning a default app  
for ?all apps of this type?) or by creating a new file type (a  
specific UTI ?exported? by your app), or you can fall back to adding a  
resource fork to tell the Finder which app you prefer to open it with  
(via the Finder?s ?open with?)."


UTIs don't work on a per-file level, just per-extension. If you want a  
specific file to open up in a specific app *without adding a new file  
extension* then you need to use the Get Info window or reverse- 
engineer the resource fork that the Get Info window adds to that file.

So to 'fix' the limitations of the current UTI scheme, we're using  
another supposedly deprecated route (resource forks) to hold the info?!?

> Since this (like creator codes) depends on software developers setting
> up the right links, we need the RunRev standalone builder to start
> giving us the option to define a UTI for our apps, as well as, or
> instead of a creator code & file type.


On 26 Sep 2009, at 05:07, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I looked at the plist that the SB generates. There are identifiers  
> at the bottom, and I think we could just add our own to these:

The problem is that final string:
<string>rev</string>

File extensions are what UTIs run off. :-(

Ian

From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Sat Sep 26 07:39:23 2009
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:39:23 +0200
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
References: <293A7569-7393-4BF9-A103-34382C43347C@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <62512B64-DCD0-4345-9074-F68F8ABE234F@swissonline.ch>


I would like to use charsEngine to represent a Histogram. Does anyone  
have an idea how to do that.

When I use barsgrouped chart I get a chart I could use, but the data  
is sorted which should not be the case. If for instance I have the  
data 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 then the bars are  
1,10,11,12,13,14,15,2,3... that means that a alphabetical sort takes  
place and I did not find a way to stop that.

Till





From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Sep 26 09:11:00 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:11:00 +0200
Subject: test
Message-ID: <A7D0532A-9CA5-428A-A1E1-36AC61569C07@ezpzapps.com>

test

sims




From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Sep 26 09:20:18 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:20:18 +0100
Subject: Running a stack from the On-Rev server.
In-Reply-To: <4ABB3948.7040800@tweedly.net>
References: <F9BD8CFE-14A0-45B6-A336-E4F9A829E130@wanadoo.fr>	<1784E12E-6214-4371-9F23-2CBB5AE50729@economy-x-talk.com>	<004501ca3c51$e692ac30$b3b80490$@com>	<4ABA9339.6060100@tweedly.net>	<000001ca3cae$0cc12100$26436300$@com>
	<4ABB3948.7040800@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4ABE1512.7040202@tweedly.net>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmmm. Are you saying issue this command from within an irev script? I 
>> don't
>> think it works from there. Or, to be more precise, I just tried it, 
>> and it
>> didn't work for me. Of course I changed the appropriate parts first.
>>
>>   
I can confirm this definitely works for me. I can do put URL "ftp...." 
and successfully put into a file on a different webservwe (on a 
different site - www.tweedly.net from my www.alextweedly.on-rev.com 
account).

> It seems like cron and curl could be used to periodically trigger a 
> URL request - which could be to an irev script on your own site, and 
> that irev script could then do any file distributions required.
Also confirmed. I created a cron job to do "curl 
www.kilmelford.com/datetime.irev" once per minute, and all that irev 
script does is write the current date/time into a log file, so in effect 
it triggers an irev script from cron.

-- Alex.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 09:57:14 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:57:14 +0300
Subject: [OT] Book on "The Art of Community "
Message-ID: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>

Get it while its hot:

http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-available-for-free-download/


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Sep 26 10:19:32 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:19:32 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
In-Reply-To: <25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
	<25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <0022121B-1C96-4E84-ADC0-7002F8D1E74B@me.com>

Peter,

The Rev market is small. The market for building tools for Rev is VERY  
small. tRev's slice of that small market is UNBELIEVABLY small. The  
number of Linux desktop users who use Rev who want another editor?  
MICRO SMALL. This is simple economics. Really.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

>
> Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able  
> to
> support it also on Win7 or XP or Linux, or is it because it actually  
> will
> not run on them?
>
> Not surely an unreasonable question about something which is  
> promoted so
> heavily on the general mailing list for what is supposed to be a
> multi-platform product?
>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--tRev-Feature-Friday---modest-but-meaningful-tp25616835p25623237.html
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Sep 26 10:24:39 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:24:39 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
In-Reply-To: <25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
	<25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F83E5524-E435-4A70-BD44-413B66CF67CF@me.com>

Peter,

We do have users of XP and Win7 who are using tRev. I list Vista  
because I have immediate access to a Vista machine for testing. I  
don't want to over-promise.

See previous post regarding market size as to why I don't have more  
OS's or machines or time.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

>
> Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able  
> to
> support it also on Win7 or XP or Linux, or is it because it actually  
> will
> not run on them?
>
> Not surely an unreasonable question about something which is  
> promoted so
> heavily on the general mailing list for what is supposed to be a
> multi-platform product?
>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--tRev-Feature-Friday---modest-but-meaningful-tp25616835p25623237.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Sep 26 10:34:14 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:34:14 -0400
Subject: [OT] Book on "The Art of Community "
In-Reply-To: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>
References: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D2E644B-8F66-4609-8B08-F1E09C7778E3@verizon.net>


On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Get it while its hot:
>
> http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-available-for-free-download/

The PDF is only just over 2MB, but you know how slow PDFs can load in  
browsers, especially if the Adobe Reader kicks in to do the loading.  
So I used the contextual menu to have it download the file, which I  
can then speedily view in Preview.




From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Sep 26 10:54:22 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:54:22 +0200
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
In-Reply-To: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5941B4B4-7271-4694-9014-CF857F676733@derbrill.de>

Hi Till,

could you send me the stack in question off list?
Do you need different colors for the chart from left to right? Else  
you could try to replace comma with cr in your data, as a comma in  
that context would mean different datagroups. Why there is an  
alphabetical sort seems a bit odd to me to me. Smells a bit buggy. :-)

Cheers,

Malte


From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Sep 26 11:09:10 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:09:10 +0200
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
In-Reply-To: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2EE85C42-80EA-47B9-9468-A6F278FC7A8C@derbrill.de>

Hi Till,

excuse me, I am a bit weekend sleepy it seems.

here is what happens (or what I suppose what happens):

I suppose you do not tell chartsEngine what the x-axis of the chart  
should be, so it tries to figure out the minimum and maximum x and  
thus sorts the data. (that it does it *alphabetically* instead of  
numeric indeed seems to be a bug I?ll look into tonight)

However here is a solution. Include an x in your data:

example script:

on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
     local tChart,tData
     start using chartsEngine
     chartsCreateChart "test"
     put the result into tChart
     put empty into tData
     repeat with i=1 to 20
         put i,i&cr after tData-- item 1 will be used as the x-axis
     end repeat
     set the charts["dataIncludesX"] of tChart to true
     set the charts["data"] of tChart to tData
     set the charts["chartStyle"] of tChart to "barsGrouped"
     chartsRefresh tChart
end mouseUp

or for the multicolored version try this:

on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
     local tChart,tData
     start using chartsEngine
     chartsCreateChart "test"
     put the result into tChart
     put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20" into tData
     set the charts["dataIncludesX"] of tChart to false
     set the charts["data"] of tChart to tData
     set the charts["chartStyle"] of tChart to "barsGrouped"
     chartsRefresh tChart
end mouseUp

Hope that helps to get you started.

Malte

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep 26 11:18:38 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:18:38 -0700
Subject: [OT] Book on "The Art of Community "
In-Reply-To: <6D2E644B-8F66-4609-8B08-F1E09C7778E3@verizon.net>
References: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>
	<6D2E644B-8F66-4609-8B08-F1E09C7778E3@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909260818y1991a0c1td7a51eb267c4edcc@mail.gmail.com>

One can also assign .pdfs to always open in Preview by changing the suffix
assignment in the finder.   This might have the effect of Webkit using
Preview for viewing PDFs in Safari, as I observe them loading really fast.
 THis is something that I do every time there's a OS upgrade. Acrobat Reader
has a few extra features but they aren't usually worth the extra load time.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/26 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>

>
> On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>  Get it while its hot:
>>
>>
>> http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-available-for-free-download/
>>
>
> The PDF is only just over 2MB, but you know how slow PDFs can load in
> browsers, especially if the Adobe Reader kicks in to do the loading. So I
> used the contextual menu to have it download the file, which I can then
> speedily view in Preview.
>
>
>
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From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Sat Sep 26 12:11:24 2009
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:11:24 +0200
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
In-Reply-To: <2EE85C42-80EA-47B9-9468-A6F278FC7A8C@derbrill.de>
References: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
	<2EE85C42-80EA-47B9-9468-A6F278FC7A8C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <0B8BABB0-C6F0-49EF-9106-684D72A2233C@swissonline.ch>

seams to work perfectly!

(I did not want to interrupt your weekend sleep)

Thanks, Till


Am 26.09.2009 um 17:09 schrieb Malte Pfaff-Brill:

> Hi Till,
>
> excuse me, I am a bit weekend sleepy it seems.
>
> here is what happens (or what I suppose what happens):
>
> I suppose you do not tell chartsEngine what the x-axis of the chart  
> should be, so it tries to figure out the minimum and maximum x and  
> thus sorts the data. (that it does it *alphabetically* instead of  
> numeric indeed seems to be a bug I?ll look into tonight)
>
> However here is a solution. Include an x in your data:
>
> example script:
>
> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>    local tChart,tData
>    start using chartsEngine
>    chartsCreateChart "test"
>    put the result into tChart
>    put empty into tData
>    repeat with i=1 to 20
>        put i,i&cr after tData-- item 1 will be used as the x-axis
>    end repeat
>    set the charts["dataIncludesX"] of tChart to true
>    set the charts["data"] of tChart to tData
>    set the charts["chartStyle"] of tChart to "barsGrouped"
>    chartsRefresh tChart
> end mouseUp
>
> or for the multicolored version try this:
>
> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>    local tChart,tData
>    start using chartsEngine
>    chartsCreateChart "test"
>    put the result into tChart
>    put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20" into tData
>    set the charts["dataIncludesX"] of tChart to false
>    set the charts["data"] of tChart to tData
>    set the charts["chartStyle"] of tChart to "barsGrouped"
>    chartsRefresh tChart
> end mouseUp
>
> Hope that helps to get you started.
>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Sep 26 13:01:40 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:01:40 +0200
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
In-Reply-To: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <68B5371E-3BF2-4ED2-95BE-661165F5E67C@derbrill.de>

Hi Till,

glad to hear it works for you, though the alphabetic sorting still  
seems odd to me. :)

 > (I did not want to interrupt your weekend sleep)

Hah! The problem is not getting any, because the little monsters won#t  
let me. :)

Chers,

Malte

From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep 26 15:44:34 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:44:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
In-Reply-To: <0022121B-1C96-4E84-ADC0-7002F8D1E74B@me.com>
References: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
	<25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<0022121B-1C96-4E84-ADC0-7002F8D1E74B@me.com>
Message-ID: <25628268.post@talk.nabble.com>


I fully understand and sympathize with that.  I'm quite willing to not have
any support.  I'm not asking for anything except information. Will it run? 
Or rather, is there any reason why it should not run?  Are there Windows or
Mac specific things in it?

What I think Rev should do is provide some alternative, like maybe plug ins
for Geany or Kate.  Another story.

Peter

Jerry Daniels-2 wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> The Rev market is small. The market for building tools for Rev is VERY  
> small. tRev's slice of that small market is UNBELIEVABLY small. The  
> number of Linux desktop users who use Rev who want another editor?  
> MICRO SMALL. This is simple economics. Really.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
> 
> On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> 
>>
>> Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able  
>> to
>> support it also on Win7 or XP or Linux, or is it because it actually  
>> will
>> not run on them?
>>
>> Not surely an unreasonable question about something which is  
>> promoted so
>> heavily on the general mailing list for what is supposed to be a
>> multi-platform product?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> View this message in context:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 26 15:53:42 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:53:42 -0700
Subject: syntax options for reading array properties
Message-ID: <4ABE7146.6090208@fourthworld.com>

Because of the unusual overhead the engine experiences in extracting 
arrays from custom properties, I'd like to find the fastest way I can to 
access such data.

Syntactically this works:

   put the customProperties["uStoredArray"] of stack tFile into tA
   put tA[100][4] after r1

...but benchmarks about 25% slower than:

   put the uStoredArray[100] of stack tFile into tmp
   put tmp[4] after r1

The faster speed is presumably because the engine has less overhead 
extracting only the sub-array.  While it performs better it complicates 
the code, requiring that I break up each access into at least two steps.

Presumably this would be faster still, and the simplest to write:

   put the tA[100][4] of stack tFile after r1

...but apparently that's not allowed.

Is there any trick to using customProperties[<arrayNotation> to access 
nested array elements in an object?

If not, anyone here know if RunRev plans to support such syntax in the 
future?

If there's an RQCC request for this please post the URL so I can add 
some votes to it.  If not I'll submit one.

TIA -

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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Sep 26 17:50:55 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:50:55 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
In-Reply-To: <25628268.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
	<25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<0022121B-1C96-4E84-ADC0-7002F8D1E74B@me.com>
	<25628268.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <67FADB5D-2056-4188-936E-03E3814D3724@me.com>

Peter,

tRev is not a plugin. It is a standalone app. Switching back and forth  
between tRev and Rev is tricky. We still have trouble with it in Vista  
(although it's easy to work around). I have never compiled a version  
for Linux so I don't know. I really don't have the time to know.  
Again, this is economics. This is a big part of how I earn a living. I  
can only indulge my curiosity so far. Economics, prosperty, food-- 
stuff like that.

There are a few code branches for the OS's, but they have mostly to do  
with the location of files in relation to the "home" stack in the app.  
It's different in Mac and Vista, of course.

It's good philosophy to have a tool that works on any platform, but at  
the moment it would be bad business. I might feel more free to branch  
out once we have our target of 1,000 users. We're just getting  
started, really.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Sep 26, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

>
> I fully understand and sympathize with that.  I'm quite willing to  
> not have
> any support.  I'm not asking for anything except information. Will  
> it run?
> Or rather, is there any reason why it should not run?  Are there  
> Windows or
> Mac specific things in it?
>
> What I think Rev should do is provide some alternative, like maybe  
> plug ins
> for Geany or Kate.  Another story.
>
> Peter
>
> Jerry Daniels-2 wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> The Rev market is small. The market for building tools for Rev is  
>> VERY
>> small. tRev's slice of that small market is UNBELIEVABLY small. The
>> number of Linux desktop users who use Rev who want another editor?
>> MICRO SMALL. This is simple economics. Really.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able
>>> to
>>> support it also on Win7 or XP or Linux, or is it because it actually
>>> will
>>> not run on them?
>>>
>>> Not surely an unreasonable question about something which is
>>> promoted so
>>> heavily on the general mailing list for what is supposed to be a
>>> multi-platform product?
>>>
>>>
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Sat Sep 26 18:35:01 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I experimented with the send in time command.
I need to program some tasks to run at fixed time and days. Like schedule 
a task for a backup for example.
How can control this? Any experience?
And how lunch these task in the way that don't stop or delay the
app and/or system?

My idea is to program the time that the task must
be run. When the app is lunched I check thr task for day and 
"send in time" the task.
The task will be executed by a standalone stack.
The task are backups and calculate grand totals.

By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
runnig
and one second message start, the first is stoped.
How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
I tryed from a custom message and using wait for message but doesn't work.
 
Thoughts?

Salut,
Josep
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep 26 18:57:18 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:57:18 -0700
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
	<25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909261557p3ff4d59bs6f166bd6228d947c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Josep said:
>
> By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
> runnig
> and one second message start, the first is stoped.
> How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
>
>
for this part check out

wait until the sound is done

>
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 26 18:58:22 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:58:22 -0700
Subject: How to create a background process
Message-ID: <4ABE9C8E.7020300@fourthworld.com>

Josep wrote:
> I experimented with the send in time command.
> I need to program some tasks to run at fixed time and days. Like schedule 
> a task for a backup for example.
> How can control this? Any experience?
> And how lunch these task in the way that don't stop or delay the
> app and/or system?
> 
> My idea is to program the time that the task must
> be run. When the app is lunched I check thr task for day and 
> "send in time" the task.
> The task will be executed by a standalone stack.
> The task are backups and calculate grand totals.
> 
> By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
> runnig
> and one second message start, the first is stoped.
> How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
> I tryed from a custom message and using wait for message but doesn't work.
>  
> Thoughts?

On Mac and Linux, man cron

On Windows, this tutorial on the Task Scheduler includes a batch script:
<http://www.iopus.com/guides/winscheduler.htm>


HTH -

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  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat Sep 26 21:04:30 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:04:30 -1000
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
	<25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <000401ca3f0e$788d7930$69a86b90$@com>

Josep wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I experimented with the send in time command.
> I need to program some tasks to run at fixed time and days. Like
> schedule
> a task for a backup for example.
> How can control this? Any experience?
> And how lunch these task in the way that don't stop or delay the
> app and/or system?
> 
> My idea is to program the time that the task must
> be run. When the app is lunched I check thr task for day and
> "send in time" the task.
> The task will be executed by a standalone stack.
> The task are backups and calculate grand totals.
> 
> By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
> runnig
> and one second message start, the first is stoped.
> How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
> I tryed from a custom message and using wait for message but doesn't
> work.

When I've done this, I write one handler that when an app is launched reads
in the tasks to be performed from a db (it could read them in from a file).
If any tasks are over-due, it performs them either immediately or
recalculates a new time for the task (as in a backup that should only be
performed at night) and saves it off to disk as well as a custom property,
so it doesn't have to keep checking the disk.

It then sorts by time and if the next task is to be performed in say 6
hours, it sends to itself in 5 hours and 59 minutes. ;-) When it is called,
it first checks the custom property and if there are tasks, it uses the next
one at the appropriate time and if it is empty, it means the app has just
been launched, so it then reads from disk as above.

Once it performs a task, it calculates the next time, saves it off to disk
and the custom property. It then looks at the next closest task to now and
if that is say 24 hours away, it sends to itself in 23 hrs and 59 minutes...

In this fashion, no task is ever missed and the handler only runs when it
has to and it only has to check the disk once on launch, although it writes
to disk whenever it performs a task. If you are only running on Windows, you
can use the Registry for saving off pending tasks.

All this assumes that your app is usually running. You can do this by
installing your app to always load and run invisibly on system boot or use
Richard's suggestion of having a system task scheduler launch the app.

There is one other element you need. Assuming you have a preferences screen
and the user can change the time of a scheduled task, you need that screen
to write the change both to disk/registry and the custom property. You then
need a setProp handler that when the customProperty changes, wakes up the
background task handler, so it can recalculate when its next task is. If it
is earlier than previously calculated, it deletes its previous message from
the pendingMessages and does a new send to itself. To cancel a pending
message you can use:

IF "myHandlerName" is in the pendingmessages THEN
      get lineoffset("myHandlerName",pendingmessages())
      cancel item 1 of line it of the pendingmessages
END IF

Then just do a new send in time.

Lastly, when you have a setProp/getProp, always remember to turn off
messages before the background task handler writes to the custom property or
you will find yourself in an infinite loop. You turn messages back on after
the write.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini






From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Sep 26 23:07:32 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:07:32 -0700
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909261557p3ff4d59bs6f166bd6228d947c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>	<25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d70909261557p3ff4d59bs6f166bd6228d947c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABED6F4.3040602@pdslabs.net>

stephen barncard wrote:
>> Josep said:
>>
>> By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
>> runnig
>> and one second message start, the first is stoped.
>> How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
>>
>>
>>     
> for this part check out
>
> wait until the sound is done
>   

Or since you are using revSpeak:
    wait until revIsSpeaking() = false

-- 
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PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 23:24:39 2009
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:24:39 +0800
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
In-Reply-To: <68B5371E-3BF2-4ED2-95BE-661165F5E67C@derbrill.de>
References: <20090926132040.A6A0448AA17@mail.runrev.com>
	<68B5371E-3BF2-4ED2-95BE-661165F5E67C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70909262024p5daa75dm93d7219545fc1031@mail.gmail.com>

Malte

any update on using the chart-engine for scatter plots ?

regards
Martin

2009/9/27 Malte Pfaff-Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>:
> Hi Till,
>
> glad to hear it works for you, though the alphabetic sorting still seems odd
> to me. :)
>
>> (I did not want to interrupt your weekend sleep)
>
> Hah! The problem is not getting any, because the little monsters won#t let
> me. :)
>
> Chers,
>
> Malte
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From joef1 at mac.com  Sat Sep 26 23:58:28 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:58:28 -0400
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909222200i60fe3103mcc2208449d21910b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB98F4B.3030408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860909222200i60fe3103mcc2208449d21910b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B4044D8-0581-41FA-8C01-D790F70851DB@mac.com>

I prefer the disc image with root Applications alias. It's simple and  
obvious.

I found that a lot of apps allow you to install anywhere when they  
actually need to be in the Applications folder; as if the developer  
never considered that a user might do it otherwise.

The main reasons to do it "by the book" are permissions and OS  
updates. I haven't done Snow Leopard yet but the Leopard transition  
was great for me, very little setup once it was installed.

Also, if you want to update your app you know where everything is.

Joe F.

On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>> In response, someone else posted a complementary idea, having the  
>>> app
>>> offering to move itself to the Applications folder if it is launched
>>> from any other folder.
>>> <http://www.potionfactory.com/node/251>
>>
>> I recently installed an app that did that. I didn't like it, I had  
>> installed
>> it in a different folder on purpose. Fortunately it only bugged me  
>> once
>> about it on first launch.
>
> Perhaps a neater method would be to offer to move it only if it was
> being launched from the Downloads folder.
>
> Sarah
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 27 00:27:05 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:27:05 -0700
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
In-Reply-To: <0B4044D8-0581-41FA-8C01-D790F70851DB@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB98F4B.3030408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860909222200i60fe3103mcc2208449d21910b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B4044D8-0581-41FA-8C01-D790F70851DB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909262127o3597e054o68d84c6d13287ac7@mail.gmail.com>

I'm one of those renegades that insists on moving non-apple apps into a
directory named "Applications Third Party" at the same level as the
Application Folder. The App folder is a mess when one puts more than the
Apple apps in there. Inside the third party folder, I separate the apps by
function, like AV,Graphics, Internet, etc. I also use directories around
most of my third party apps to contain docs and serial numbers. Only a
couple apps have complained.
 I HATE IT when a third party application *insists* on being in the
'Application Folder'. I just have too many applications..  I want to use my
own organizational system. I assume Apple apps always want to be there.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/26 Joe F. <joef1 at mac.com>

> I prefer the disc image with root Applications alias. It's simple and
> obvious.
>
> I found that a lot of apps allow you to install anywhere when they actually
> need to be in the Applications folder; as if the developer never considered
> that a user might do it otherwise.
>
> The main reasons to do it "by the book" are permissions and OS updates. I
> haven't done Snow Leopard yet but the Leopard transition was great for me,
> very little setup once it was installed.
>
> Also, if you want to update your app you know where everything is.
>
> Joe F.
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>  On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM, J. Landman Gay
>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>
>>>  In response, someone else posted a complementary idea, having the app
>>>> offering to move itself to the Applications folder if it is launched
>>>> from any other folder.
>>>> <http://www.potionfactory.com/node/251>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I recently installed an app that did that. I didn't like it, I had
>>> installed
>>> it in a different folder on purpose. Fortunately it only bugged me once
>>> about it on first launch.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps a neater method would be to offer to move it only if it was
>> being launched from the Downloads folder.
>>
>> Sarah
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Sep 27 00:39:01 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:01 -0700
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
In-Reply-To: <0B4044D8-0581-41FA-8C01-D790F70851DB@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860909221758k4de287f7u3241fddff9454be7@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB98F4B.3030408@hyperactivesw.com>	<f99b52860909222200i60fe3103mcc2208449d21910b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B4044D8-0581-41FA-8C01-D790F70851DB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4ABEEC65.60700@pdslabs.net>

Joe F. wrote:
> I prefer the disc image with root Applications alias. It's simple and 
> obvious.
>
> I found that a lot of apps allow you to install anywhere when they 
> actually need to be in the Applications folder; as if the developer 
> never considered that a user might do it otherwise.
>
> The main reasons to do it "by the book" are permissions and OS 
> updates. I haven't done Snow Leopard yet but the Leopard transition 
> was great for me, very little setup once it was installed.
>
> Also, if you want to update your app you know where everything is.
>
> Joe F.

Hi Joe,

I always build my apps to register themselves at each startup in a 
"prefs" .rev stack stored in a folder named 
specialFolderPath(<platformSpecificPrefsFolder>)/<MyAppName>. Then no 
matter how the user organizes his apps, the app's updater can usually 
find the app by getting the registered paths from the prefs stack, which 
is always in the same place.

In theory this works every time. And (to quote Mark Weider) in theory, 
there's no difference between theory and fact!  ;-)

Phil Davis

>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM, J. Landman Gay
>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>
>>>> In response, someone else posted a complementary idea, having the app
>>>> offering to move itself to the Applications folder if it is launched
>>>> from any other folder.
>>>> <http://www.potionfactory.com/node/251>
>>>
>>> I recently installed an app that did that. I didn't like it, I had 
>>> installed
>>> it in a different folder on purpose. Fortunately it only bugged me once
>>> about it on first launch.
>>
>> Perhaps a neater method would be to offer to move it only if it was
>> being launched from the Downloads folder.
>>
>> Sarah 

-- 
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PDS Labs
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Sep 27 01:14:18 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:14:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
In-Reply-To: <4ABBFE15.1010307@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBFE15.1010307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909262212440.5057@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Didn't Chipp have a beveled button thingy, or am I imagining things?

Judy

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> 1. bevels - every other of the core set of image enhancement
>   goodies is there but this one, and this is the one most
>   needed for making custom buttons.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 27 01:28:07 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:28:07 -0700
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
Message-ID: <4ABEF7E7.70203@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:

 > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> 1. bevels - every other of the core set of image enhancement
 >>   goodies is there but this one, and this is the one most
 >>   needed for making custom buttons.
 >
 > Didn't Chipp have a beveled button thingy, or am I imagining things?

Yep: Button Gadget.  Nice tool, but I believe he does that by just 
layering up a series of graphic objects, similar to how Fireworks would 
do it.  Good if the end result you want is a raster image, but a lot of 
overhead to deal with if you want to attempt to do it on the fly.

--
  Richard Gaskin
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From elist at mac.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 27 02:28:16 2009
From: elist at mac.on-rev.com (Severin Swensen)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:28:16 -0500
Subject: Simulcast full screen option lost
Message-ID: <A7A511B5-F015-4042-9101-9858C9E45100@mac.on-rev.com>

I am still simulcasting the runrev live conference and the full screen  
video option has disappeared today. Will it be returning.

Of course continuing to call it a simulcast and 'live' does seem  
misconstrued since it is no longer simultaneous and no longer live. :)

The quality of this years video was far superior to last years. I look  
forward to even more improvements next year.

Great Job
Severin


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 02:45:02 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:45:02 +1000
Subject: Simulcast full screen option lost
In-Reply-To: <A7A511B5-F015-4042-9101-9858C9E45100@mac.on-rev.com>
References: <A7A511B5-F015-4042-9101-9858C9E45100@mac.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909262345ia7d6a20nac440be35826da9a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Severin Swensen <elist at mac.on-rev.com> wrote:
> I am still simulcasting the runrev live conference and the full screen video
> option has disappeared today. Will it be returning.

Don't know, but on a Mac, I found I got better results just pressing
Command + to zoom in.

HTH,
Sarah


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Sep 27 03:30:30 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <4ABE9C8E.7020300@fourthworld.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <4ABE9C8E.7020300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25631396.post@talk.nabble.com>


Might want to check anacron and fcron also - if you are not sure of having
the machine turned on at the exact time the background app tries to run, and
don't want to miss a cycle because of that.  fcron is a better anacron.  I
have used fcron with Sarah's emailer to send a backup email with attachment
of the file in question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> ...On Mac and Linux, man cron
> 
> On Windows, this tutorial on the Task Scheduler includes a batch script:
> <http://www.iopus.com/guides/winscheduler.htm>
> 
> 

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From david at architex.tv  Sun Sep 27 04:22:52 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:22:52 +0100
Subject: syntax options for reading array properties
In-Reply-To: <4ABE7146.6090208@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABE7146.6090208@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909270122v2073c963of3b60c2dd0fbcd55@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/26 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

>
> Is there any trick to using customProperties[<arrayNotation> to access
> nested array elements in an object?
>

No. As far as I understand it the new nested array data structure uses
arrayencode / arraydecode internally and this adds the speed hit. For that
reason, and others I've moved over to using getprop / setprops together with
script locals to store nested arrays. These are then loaded I think when the
stack (or card / object) is loaded so you get the speed increases and the
same syntax.


> If not, anyone here know if RunRev plans to support such syntax in the
> future?
>
> If there's an RQCC request for this please post the URL so I can add some
> votes to it.  If not I'll submit one.
>

Good idea.


From psahores at free.fr  Sun Sep 27 05:39:03 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:39:03 +0200
Subject: [OT] Book on "The Art of Community "
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909260818y1991a0c1td7a51eb267c4edcc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>
	<6D2E644B-8F66-4609-8B08-F1E09C7778E3@verizon.net>
	<e5e009d70909260818y1991a0c1td7a51eb267c4edcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D55C136-D9C9-424A-82DA-F2C48BF7F31F@free.fr>

Or you can right-click over the download link to save the target file  
directly where you want.

Thanks, for the input, Richmond,

Pierre

Le 26 sept. 09 ? 17:18, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> One can also assign .pdfs to always open in Preview by changing the  
> suffix
> assignment in the finder.   This might have the effect of Webkit using
> Preview for viewing PDFs in Safari, as I observe them loading really  
> fast.
> THis is something that I do every time there's a OS upgrade. Acrobat  
> Reader
> has a few extra features but they aren't usually worth the extra  
> load time.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>
>
> 2009/9/26 Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>> Get it while its hot:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-available-for-free-download/
>>>
>>
>> The PDF is only just over 2MB, but you know how slow PDFs can load in
>> browsers, especially if the Adobe Reader kicks in to do the  
>> loading. So I
>> used the contextual menu to have it download the file, which I can  
>> then
>> speedily view in Preview.
>>
>>
>>
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sun Sep 27 08:24:37 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:24:37 +0200
Subject: [OT] Book on "The Art of Community "
In-Reply-To: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>
References: <4ABE1DBA.9000904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1090D429-7701-4623-8FAD-F1F5A3564A0E@numericable.com>

Thank you Richmond
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 26 sept. 09 ? 15:57, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Get it while its hot:
>
> http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-available- 
> for-free-download/
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Sep 27 08:50:45 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:50:45 +0200
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
In-Reply-To: <20090926170004.9D07D48AA1F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090926170004.9D07D48AA1F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D3593931-749E-49A5-A745-3DDDBE14C6D6@derbrill.de>

Hi Martin,

Scatterplots are not forgotten (actually most of it is working  
already). However it will still take us a while, as first AE3 will  
roll out. More on that soon.

Cheers,

Malte



From mike at doub.com  Sun Sep 27 10:03:33 2009
From: mike at doub.com (mike at doub.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:03:33 +0000
Subject: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
Message-ID: <25760018-1254060215-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1388028668-@bda044.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Malte,

Do you have any plans to add support for treemaps?

 -= Mike 

 
------Original Message------
From: Malte Pfaff-Brill
Sender: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
To: Revolution
ReplyTo: Revolution
Subject: Re: chartsEnginge and Histogramm
Sent: Sep 27, 2009 8:50 AM

Hi Martin,

Scatterplots are not forgotten (actually most of it is working  
already). However it will still take us a while, as first AE3 will  
roll out. More on that soon.

Cheers,

Malte

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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 10:54:40 2009
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:54:40 +0200
Subject: How do I check for two conditions to be true?
In-Reply-To: <AE1D680B-E85E-4CBE-8DF9-3F5CD38123BB@yahoo.com>
References: <b016f13e0909241234u32edf4b7p479d2133e8cf4fe4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1E2950ED-AAF2-474E-822F-EE66062B3457@byu.edu>
	<AE1D680B-E85E-4CBE-8DF9-3F5CD38123BB@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0909270754m334f47e9t44d5a1ecd7232601@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Devin and Jim for your answers.This helps me a lot!!

Greetings,

William

2009/9/25 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>

> Just a little further down the logic trail
>
>  put the the startangle of grc "bar" into barAng
>   if ( the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 AND \
>          ( barAng < 90 OR barAng  > 180 ) \
>          then
>         -- barAng not in 2nd quadrant
>   end if
>
> if ( the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 ) OR \
>      ( the startangle of grc "bar" is 20 ) \
>          then
>      -- do stuff
>   end if
>
> Hope this adds a bit to your fun.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>
>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:34 PM, William de Smet wrote:
>>
>>  Hello there,
>>> This must be an easy one but it got me puzzled: How do I check for two
>>> conditions to be true at the same time?
>>> I want to check the startangle of two graphics to be true: the startangle
>>> of
>>> grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is 20
>>> Do I use if..then?
>>> on mouseup
>>> If the startangle of grc "1" is 270 & the startangle of grc "2" is 20
>>> (???,
>>> this doesn't work)
>>> then ......(following code)
>>> end mouseup
>>>
>>> What to do with the check for the second graphic?
>>> How do I combine these?
>>>
>>
>> You're very close. Just use the keyword AND (not case senstive, just in
>> upper case for clarity):
>>
>> if the startangle of grc "foo" is 270 AND \
>>   the startangle of grc "bar" is 20 then
>>  -- do stuff
>> end if
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Devin
>>
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>>
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>
> Jim Ault
> jimaultwins at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 27 12:25:05 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:25:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
Message-ID: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>

A long time ago Andre Garzia wrote:

 > On 12/7/07, Richard Gaskin wrote:
...
 >> What's your favorite JavaScript editor?
...
 > It pays to learn emacs or vi, since you'll probably be using ssh to
 > the server and thats is probably what you'll have in there.

Since it started as a fork of MC's open source editor, my custom text 
editor originally had support for emacs key bindings.  But recently I 
was cleaning up the code and opted to remove that support, since I've 
not come across anyone (except Scott Raney <g>) who's used emacs in the 
last decade.

How often do you use emacs?

Do others here use it?

How essential would you consider the option of supporting emacs key 
bindings in a 21st century text editor?

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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 27 12:33:35 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (andre at andregarzia.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:33:35 -0300
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
In-Reply-To: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <EF5E2200-4ECA-4025-97D2-908CFA45A1BC@andregarzia.com>

Richard,

I dont think it is feasible to support emacs keybindings on a custom  
editor, they are deeply related to emacs workflow. It is easier to  
support GNU nano (aka pico) keys, they are easy and simple

Cheers

Enviado de meu iPhone

Em 27/09/2009, ?s 13:25, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>  
escreveu:

> A long time ago Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > On 12/7/07, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> ...
> >> What's your favorite JavaScript editor?
> ...
> > It pays to learn emacs or vi, since you'll probably be using ssh to
> > the server and thats is probably what you'll have in there.
>
> Since it started as a fork of MC's open source editor, my custom  
> text editor originally had support for emacs key bindings.  But  
> recently I was cleaning up the code and opted to remove that  
> support, since I've not come across anyone (except Scott Raney <g>)  
> who's used emacs in the last decade.
>
> How often do you use emacs?
>
> Do others here use it?
>
> How essential would you consider the option of supporting emacs key  
> bindings in a 21st century text editor?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 27 12:34:30 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:34:30 -0700
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
In-Reply-To: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70909270934s26ebbd0exae45617022339c77@mail.gmail.com>

Ripe for snide humor:

"Emacs? Aren't those the little furry creatures in one of the Star Wars
movies?"
"Oh, those. Yeah, my dad had one. He sold it years ago."

sorry.  I must have used it in the early 80s on my Beehive terminal but...
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/9/27 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

>
>
> How often do you use emacs?
>
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 27 13:11:18 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:11:18 -0700
Subject: syntax options for reading array properties
Message-ID: <4ABF9CB6.7090108@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> 2009/9/26 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>>
>> Is there any trick to using customProperties[<arrayNotation> to access
>> nested array elements in an object?
> 
> No. As far as I understand it the new nested array data structure uses
> arrayencode / arraydecode internally and this adds the speed hit. 

That's what it seems, and arrayDecode/arrayDecode benchmark as the 
slowest of all array storage options I've found.

Oddly enough, two-dimensional arrays (property set + property list) work 
reliably and lightning fast, e.g.:

   put the uPropSet[tSomeProp] into tResult

But alas attempting to go deeper fails:

   put the uPropSet[tSomeDeeperKey][tSomeProp]

:(

> For that reason, and others I've moved over to using getprop / setprops
> together with script locals to store nested arrays. These are then loaded
> I think when the stack (or card / object) is loaded so you get the speed
> increases and the same syntax.

I've used getProp and setProp in a number of projects, and they do make 
convenient accessor for some uses (though I still prefer simple commands 
and functions for many accessors as they require less typing, using 
getProp and setProp for cases where the storage object may change).

But in this project the data will be loaded and accessed only once in a 
given session, so it would be ideal if we could have both persistence 
and efficient performance.


Looking into the RQCC this morning I found an excellent discussion on 
this by Mark Waddingham in in request submitted by Bj?rnke:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6912>

The solutions Mark offers there would be great - easy to read, easy to 
write.  If only they existed. ;)  I added a few votes in hope that they 
one day will.  Good ideas there.


While I was there I added a request to solve the bloat problem with keys 
of sub-arrays within a parent array in which all of the sub-arrays use 
the same key names:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8304>

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 27 13:12:08 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:12:08 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday - modest but meaningful
In-Reply-To: <25628268.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C368C8A0-B464-4AD8-ACA9-628C7DF70DEB@me.com>
	<25623237.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<0022121B-1C96-4E84-ADC0-7002F8D1E74B@me.com>
	<25628268.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <85398187718.20090927101208@ahsoftware.net>

Peter-

Saturday, September 26, 2009, 12:44:34 PM, you wrote:

> I fully understand and sympathize with that.  I'm quite willing to not have
> any support.  I'm not asking for anything except information. Will it run?
> Or rather, is there any reason why it should not run?  Are there Windows or
> Mac specific things in it?

FWIW, GLX2 *does* work on linux, although the tweaks involved were not
trivial. They mainly deal with linux's freedom from specified places
for things like preferences files and such. Given that GLX2 is a
plugin and not a compiled standalone application like tRev, I would
expect that the same sort of tweaks would be necessary but not
sufficient to support linux. It's true that linux users as a rule
require and expect less support, but there's still a significant
development, testing and support effort involved.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 27 13:17:40 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:17:40 -0700
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
Message-ID: <4ABF9E34.2070807@fourthworld.com>

andre wrote:
> I dont think it is feasible to support emacs keybindings on a custom  
> editor, they are deeply related to emacs workflow.

The MC IDE did a good enough job to satisfy uber-geek Raney. :)  He had 
a lot of code all over the place to change menu keys, field behaviors, 
blind searches, etc., and of course switched the engine's global 
property emacsKeyBindings to true.

I don't have enough experience with emacs to weigh in on how complete 
his support was, and until I come across others who use emacs I'm 
inclined to just let it go.

But it's one of those things that if it's as simple as flipping a global 
prop and modifying a few handlers it might make a nice bullet point - 
provided anyone might actually use it, of course.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 27 13:35:03 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:35:03 -0700
Subject: syntax options for reading array properties
In-Reply-To: <4ABF9CB6.7090108@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABF9CB6.7090108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <66399562718.20090927103503@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Sunday, September 27, 2009, 10:11:18 AM, you wrote:

> Looking into the RQCC this morning I found an excellent discussion on
> this by Mark Waddingham in in request submitted by Bj?rnke:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6912>

Thanks for pointing this one out. I added votes as well.

> While I was there I added a request to solve the bloat problem with keys
> of sub-arrays within a parent array in which all of the sub-arrays use
> the same key names:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8304>

I like the idea of a struct-like assembly, but wouldn't the same thing
be accomplished by using numeric constants (and possibly faster, if I
understand the way the numeric arrays work):

constant kName = 1
constant kParty = 2
constant kAddress = 3
-- etc

put "R" into member[kParty]

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 27 14:05:52 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:05:52 -0700
Subject: syntax options for reading array properties
Message-ID: <4ABFA980.7000402@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richard-
> 
> Sunday, September 27, 2009, 10:11:18 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Looking into the RQCC this morning I found an excellent discussion on
>> this by Mark Waddingham in in request submitted by Bj?rnke:
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6912>
> 
> Thanks for pointing this one out. I added votes as well.
> 
>> While I was there I added a request to solve the bloat problem with keys
>> of sub-arrays within a parent array in which all of the sub-arrays use
>> the same key names:
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8304>
> 
> I like the idea of a struct-like assembly, but wouldn't the same thing
> be accomplished by using numeric constants (and possibly faster, if I
> understand the way the numeric arrays work):
> 
> constant kName = 1
> constant kParty = 2
> constant kAddress = 3
> -- etc
> 
> put "R" into member[kParty]

Moments like this make me glad you're on this list. :)

Yes, that definitely reduces the bloat, down to a single byte per field. 
  A struct would reduce it even more (at least for arrays with more than 
four fields), but that's a big step forward for keeping file sizes down 
that can be used today.

Thanks for the idea -

--
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From paulgabel at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 14:29:23 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:29:23 -0700
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
Message-ID: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>

Hello everybody:

I made a .zip file from a standalone built for Mac OS X and emailed it  
to someone. It went through just fine. Then I did the same thing for a  
Windows build, but when I tried to email the file (7.9 MB) it bounced  
back with the following message:

-----

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 12 second(s):

  * xxxxx at gmail.com


Reporting-MTA: dns; QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]
Received-From-MTA: dns; OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net  
[76.96.30.36]
Arrival-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:11 +0000


Final-recipient: rfc822; xxxxx at gmail.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;  552 5.7.0 review our attachment guidelines.  
11si8582788pxi.45
Last-attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:23 +0000

-----

Shouldn't this work either way? Any suggestions? Where do I find the  
"attachment guidelines"?

Thanks,

Paul Gabel

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 14:34:17 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:34:17 +0300
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
Message-ID: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>

If you have started "playing about" with RevMedia 4 dp-4
and/or the Studio preview with Ben Beaumont's demo stacks
you should have come up against

fillGradient
opacity
blend mode
color
filter
spread
size
distance
angle
source

Now, what it took slow thinkers like me a while to work out
is that as the parameters of these are all stored as arrays
one can have a look at those parameters by doing something
like this:

on mouseUp
   get the fillGradient of grc "GRAFIK"
   combine it using return and colon
   put it into fld "fillGrad"
end mouseUp

and one finds out all sorts of surprising, and as yet,
undocumented components to those graphic settings.

For instance, with fillGradient one finds these:

from
mirror
quality
ramp
1.00000,255,255,255
repeat
to
type
via
wrap

Now, I am well aware for the "old lags" this is screamingly obvious,
but to 8 year newbies like myself it is not.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 27 14:38:59 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:38:59 +0200
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Paul,

Tell the person not to use Gmail if you want to send him executables  
in zip files. Gmail doesn't accept this. Mail.com is a good  
alternative. You could also put the zip file on a server in a password- 
protected directory and tell the recipient where to download it.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 27 sep 2009, at 20:29, Gabel Paul wrote:

> Hello everybody:
>
> I made a .zip file from a standalone built for Mac OS X and emailed  
> it to someone. It went through just fine. Then I did the same thing  
> for a Windows build, but when I tried to email the file (7.9 MB) it  
> bounced back with the following message:
>
> -----
>
> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
> Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 12 second(s):
>
> * xxxxx at gmail.com
>
>
> Reporting-MTA: dns; QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net  
> [76.96.30.80]
> Received-From-MTA: dns; OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net  
> [76.96.30.36]
> Arrival-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:11 +0000
>
>
> Final-recipient: rfc822; xxxxx at gmail.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp;  552 5.7.0 review our attachment guidelines.  
> 11si8582788pxi.45
> Last-attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:23 +0000
>
> -----
>
> Shouldn't this work either way? Any suggestions? Where do I find the  
> "attachment guidelines"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Gabel



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 14:49:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:49:00 +0300
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ABFB39C.4020101@gmail.com>

Gabel Paul wrote:
> Hello everybody:
>
> I made a .zip file from a standalone built for Mac OS X and emailed it 
> to someone. It went through just fine. Then I did the same thing for a 
> Windows build, but when I tried to email the file (7.9 MB) it bounced 
> back with the following message:
>
<snip>

Just had a look at Gmail's guidelines, and:

"Some file types are blocked
As a security measure to prevent potential viruses, Gmail doesn't allow 
you to send or receive executable files
(such as files ending in .exe) that could contain damaging executable code.
Gmail won't accept these types of files even if they are sent in a 
zipped (.zip, .tar, .tgz, .taz, .z, .gz) format. If this type of message 
is sent to your Gmail address, it is bounced back to the sender 
automatically.

You can send and receive messages up to 25 megabytes (MB) total 
(including attachments). Any message that exceeds this limit will not be 
delivered to your inbox and will be returned to the sender."

So you will have to send an Windows build via FTP!

Hey, let's face it, Windows is a leaky vessel, so, inevitably, will be
all who sail in her. And, from my point of view, the sooner the
world wakes up to this and starts putting pressure on MicroSquodge,
the better . . . .   :)

If you want to check this for yourself, log into Gmail via a web-browser,
rather than a dedicated e-mail client, and in the top-right-hand hand corner
you will see the following:

Settings    Help    Sign Out

Hit "Help" ; 'it' is down there, under  "Your Messages"

sincerely, Richmond.


From tedennis at softwaredetails.com  Sun Sep 27 14:55:38 2009
From: tedennis at softwaredetails.com (TEDennis)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:55:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
	<25629413.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25636469.post@talk.nabble.com>




Josep wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I experimented with the send in time command.
> I need to program some tasks to run at fixed time and days. Like schedule 
> a task for a backup for example.
> How can control this? Any experience?
> And how lunch these task in the way that don't stop or delay the
> app and/or system?
> 
> My idea is to program the time that the task must
> be run. When the app is lunched I check thr task for day and 
> "send in time" the task.
> The task will be executed by a standalone stack.
> The task are backups and calculate grand totals.
> 
> By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
> runnig
> and one second message start, the first is stoped.
> How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
> I tryed from a custom message and using wait for message but doesn't work.
>  
> Thoughts?
> 
> Salut,
> Josep
> 

A heads-up, just in case it happens to you, too.

I've had difficulties with the "Send in time" process.  As long as the Rev
task is the only Vista task running, it works fine.  ie: it can run all
weekend, firing itself every nn minutes (15 or less depending on context).

However, during the week when I am using my PC to do other things at the
same time (multiple browser sessions, for instance), the message I "sent in
time" doesn't always get triggered.  I have to manually restart it.  I don't
know what causes that to happen.  I have spent an hour or two trying to
track it down, but since the task is not critical to my daily operations, I
just ignore the problem and restart it manually.  It's frustrating, because
I occasionally miss an interesting "event" that I'm tracking, but it's not
worth the time and effort to spend a bunch of time tracking it down.

The "driver" task just does a "put URL tURL into tMessageHTML" and then
re-triggers itself with a "send "autoCapture to me in tSeconds seconds"
before it processes the tMessageHTML it received.  The task has only one
stack; the mainstack.  I think that means the "autoCapture" message isn't
getting fired in "tSeconds" seconds, or it's getting fired and for some
reason doesn't get processed.

TED
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From paul.foraker at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 15:05:33 2009
From: paul.foraker at gmail.com (Paul Foraker)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:05:33 -0700
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <4ABFB39C.4020101@gmail.com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net> 
	<4ABFB39C.4020101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df1a206b0909271205y9142089tffc77eab47dabdc2@mail.gmail.com>

I have used the free service at

http://www.yousendit.com

for successfully transferring executables.

-- Paul


On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gabel Paul wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody:
>>
>> I made a .zip file from a standalone built for Mac OS X and emailed it to
>> someone. It went through just fine. Then I did the same thing for a Windows
>> build, but when I tried to email the file (7.9 MB) it bounced back with the
>> following message:
>>
>>  <snip>
>
> Just had a look at Gmail's guidelines, and:
> ...
>
> So you will have to send an Windows build via FTP!
>
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 27 15:15:00 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:15:00 -0700
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, September 27, 2009, 11:34:17 AM, you wrote:

> and one finds out all sorts of surprising, and as yet,
> undocumented components to those graphic settings.

> For instance, with fillGradient one finds these:

> from
> mirror
> quality
> ramp
> 1.00000,255,255,255
> repeat
> to
> type
> via
> wrap

All those, with the exception of "ramp" where you specified the value
rather than the name, are very well documented. In the docs. Look
under "fillgradient". And check out strokegradient while you're at it.

Then have fun playing with changing the values.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Sep 27 15:27:59 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:27:59 -1000
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>

Mark and Paul,

The trick with gmail is change the file name to "file.zip.remove" and in the
instructions of your email say to remove .remove ;-) and unzip. This is
easier than having people change their email address. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:39 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Emailing a Rev file
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Tell the person not to use Gmail if you want to send him executables
> in zip files. Gmail doesn't accept this. Mail.com is a good
> alternative. You could also put the zip file on a server in a password-
> protected directory and tell the recipient where to download it.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com
> 
> On 27 sep 2009, at 20:29, Gabel Paul wrote:
> 
> > Hello everybody:
> >
> > I made a .zip file from a standalone built for Mac OS X and emailed
> > it to someone. It went through just fine. Then I did the same thing
> > for a Windows build, but when I tried to email the file (7.9 MB) it
> > bounced back with the following message:
> >
> > -----
> >
> > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
> >
> > Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 12 second(s):
> >
> > * xxxxx at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > Reporting-MTA: dns; QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
> > [76.96.30.80]
> > Received-From-MTA: dns; OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
> > [76.96.30.36]
> > Arrival-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:11 +0000
> >
> >
> > Final-recipient: rfc822; xxxxx at gmail.com
> > Action: failed
> > Status: 5.1.1
> > Diagnostic-Code: smtp;  552 5.7.0 review our attachment guidelines.
> > 11si8582788pxi.45
> > Last-attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:23 +0000
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Shouldn't this work either way? Any suggestions? Where do I find the
> > "attachment guidelines"?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul Gabel
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 27 15:30:19 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:30:19 +0200
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>
	<001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
Message-ID: <EBC4AA18-30CD-409E-97C1-5EFF8FDC7F72@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

You're right, but one shouldn't have to do that. I'd rather encourage  
people to leave Gmail.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 27 sep 2009, at 21:27, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Mark and Paul,
>
> The trick with gmail is change the file name to "file.zip.remove"  
> and in the
> instructions of your email say to remove .remove ;-) and unzip. This  
> is
> easier than having people change their email address. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii
>
> Jim Bufalini
>



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sun Sep 27 15:40:04 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:40:04 -0700
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <EBC4AA18-30CD-409E-97C1-5EFF8FDC7F72@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>
	<001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
	<EBC4AA18-30CD-409E-97C1-5EFF8FDC7F72@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <5F1744DF-F056-43E8-9CAA-246FD9C211B5@qldlearning.com>

Perfectly valid opinion vs. the feature, but really? Personally, if I  
had this issue with someone and their suggestion was to switch out of  
Gmail, I'd probably be inclined to tell them to stop emailing me. YMMV.

> Hi Jim,
>
> You're right, but one shouldn't have to do that. I'd rather  
> encourage people to leave Gmail.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com
>
> On 27 sep 2009, at 21:27, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>> Mark and Paul,
>>
>> The trick with gmail is change the file name to "file.zip.remove"  
>> and in the
>> instructions of your email say to remove .remove ;-) and unzip.  
>> This is
>> easier than having people change their email address. ;-)
>>
>> Aloha from Hawaii
>>
>> Jim Bufalini





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 15:41:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:41:06 +0300
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>
	<13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Sunday, September 27, 2009, 11:34:17 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> and one finds out all sorts of surprising, and as yet,
>> undocumented components to those graphic settings.
>>     
>> For instance, with fillGradient one finds these:
>>     
>> from
>> mirror
>> quality
>> ramp
>> 1.00000,255,255,255
>> repeat
>> to
>> type
>> via
>> wrap
>>     
>
> All those, with the exception of "ramp" where you specified the value
> rather than the name, are very well documented. In the docs. 
Not in the built-in documentation in my version of Studio dp-4.

Possibly in the PDF; but, frankly, that is a pain in what my Granny called
the 'BTM" to like at whilst programming.
> Look
> under "fillgradient". And check out strokegradient while you're at it.
>
> Then have fun playing with changing the values.
>   
Fun ? What me ? Guilty as charged :)



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 15:47:41 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:47:41 +0300
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <EBC4AA18-30CD-409E-97C1-5EFF8FDC7F72@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>	<001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
	<EBC4AA18-30CD-409E-97C1-5EFF8FDC7F72@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4ABFC15D.8020706@gmail.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> You're right, but one shouldn't have to do that. I'd rather encourage 
> people to leave Gmail.
<snip>

Of course, Gmail know what they are doing.

Why not LEAVE Windows? Migrate to another OS.




From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Sep 27 16:20:12 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:20:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>
	<13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>
	<4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25637229.post@talk.nabble.com>


Richmond,
you might want to have a look at Scott Rossi's Gradient Explorer, it is a
beautiful instructional example of the working of gradients.
http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--Gradient-Explorer-td22280719.html
Also on RevOnline search for gradients and you find some example stacks.
It would be nice if Scott could put the Gradient Explorer on RevOnline
regards
Bernd


Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond-
>>
>> Sunday, September 27, 2009, 11:34:17 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> and one finds out all sorts of surprising, and as yet,
>>> undocumented components to those graphic settings.
>>>     
>>> For instance, with fillGradient one finds these:
>>>     
>>> from
>>> mirror
>>> quality
>>> ramp
>>> 1.00000,255,255,255
>>> repeat
>>> to
>>> type
>>> via
>>> wrap
>>>     
>>
>> All those, with the exception of "ramp" where you specified the value
>> rather than the name, are very well documented. In the docs. 
> Not in the built-in documentation in my version of Studio dp-4.
> 
> Possibly in the PDF; but, frankly, that is a pain in what my Granny called
> the 'BTM" to like at whilst programming.
>> Look
>> under "fillgradient". And check out strokegradient while you're at it.
>>
>> Then have fun playing with changing the values.
>>   
> Fun ? What me ? Guilty as charged :)

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 27 16:56:37 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:56:37 -0700
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>
	<13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>
	<4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <128411657390.20090927135637@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, September 27, 2009, 12:41:06 PM, you wrote:

>> All those, with the exception of "ramp" where you specified the value
>> rather than the name, are very well documented. In the docs. 
> Not in the built-in documentation in my version of Studio dp-4.

> Possibly in the PDF; but, frankly, that is a pain in what my Granny called
> the 'BTM" to like at whilst programming.

Being *reasonably* sure that you and I both picked up the same build
of 4.0 at the conference, I fired my Studio copy up again and I can
still type "fillgradient" in the search box and have it come up. Do
you have "All" (or "Object" or "Language") selected for the
documentation section (at the left of the docs pane) rather than
something under "Library"?

I admit to not having opened the pdf docs before, but now that I have
I don't think the Users Guide is actually going to be a substitute for
the Dictionary.

But you gotta love a document with a section titled "Delivering a
Message in the Future". I bet Jacque had a hand in writing that one.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 17:21:55 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:21:55 +0300
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <128411657390.20090927135637@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>	<13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>	<4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
	<128411657390.20090927135637@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4ABFD773.60501@gmail.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Sunday, September 27, 2009, 12:41:06 PM, you wrote:
>
>   
>>> All those, with the exception of "ramp" where you specified the value
>>> rather than the name, are very well documented. In the docs. 
>>>       
Any bright ideas what "ramp" could be ?
>> Not in the built-in documentation in my version of Studio dp-4.
>>     
The others are less well documented:

opacity
blend mode
color
filter
spread
size
distance
angle
source

try "spread" in the built-in docs.
>> Possibly in the PDF; but, frankly, that is a pain in what my Granny called
>> the 'BTM" to look at whilst programming.
>>     
>
> Being *reasonably* sure that you and I both picked up the same build
> of 4.0 at the conference, I fired my Studio copy up again and I can
> still type "fillgradient" in the search box and have it come up. Do
> you have "All" (or "Object" or "Language") selected for the
> documentation section (at the left of the docs pane) rather than
> something under "Library"?
>   
Yups, I stand corrected.
> I admit to not having opened the pdf docs before, but now that I have
> I don't think the Users Guide is actually going to be a substitute for
> the Dictionary.
>
>   
Personally, I think the PDF is for those people who have perfect recall, can
sit down and digest a whole document at one sitting, and then, while
trying to actually program something can bring up the relevant section of
the PDF in their mind's eye.

"Clever" though I may be (??????), this trick is way beyond me. Also,
given the luxury of time to read I will always reach for something by
Smollett or Fielding, or Kipling, Carlyle or Stevenson rather than some
deadly computer manual.
> But you gotta love a document with a section titled "Delivering a
> Message in the Future". I bet Jacque had a hand in writing that one.
>   
Wow! Surely "Delivering a Message TO the Future" would be even
better.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 27 17:30:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:30:18 -0700
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <4ABFD773.60501@gmail.com>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>
	<13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>
	<4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
	<128411657390.20090927135637@ahsoftware.net> <4ABFD773.60501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <158413678093.20090927143018@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, September 27, 2009, 2:21:55 PM, you wrote:

> Wow! Surely "Delivering a Message TO the Future" would be even
> better.

...and "Delivering a Message to the Past" would save me a *lot* of
trial-and-error. Filed an enhancement request as BZ #8305.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 27 17:49:03 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:49:03 -0500
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <128411657390.20090927135637@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4ABFB029.1090801@gmail.com>	<13405560234.20090927121500@ahsoftware.net>	<4ABFBFD2.5000106@gmail.com>
	<128411657390.20090927135637@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4ABFDDCF.7070406@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> But you gotta love a document with a section titled "Delivering a
> Message in the Future". I bet Jacque had a hand in writing that one.
> 

Shhh! You'll blow my cover. But just between you and me, after the docs 
were released I warped back and...uh...fixed them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Sep 27 18:20:34 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:20:34 +0100
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
In-Reply-To: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ABFE532.6050004@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Since it started as a fork of MC's open source editor, my custom text 
> editor originally had support for emacs key bindings.  But recently I 
> was cleaning up the code and opted to remove that support, since I've 
> not come across anyone (except Scott Raney <g>) who's used emacs in 
> the last decade.
>
> How often do you use emacs?
>
> Do others here use it?
>
> How essential would you consider the option of supporting emacs key 
> bindings in a 21st century text editor?
I use emacs every day. It's my editor of choice for editing html, text 
and (for now at least) .irev files.

When (if) tRev gets support for editing script files like irev (and 
assuming it has the kind of revtalk features I'd expect) then I will 
most likely switch to it for 95% of editing .irev files, and only use 
emacs occasionally. I'll still use it for text, html, etc.

"essential" ?  No.
"very nice" ?  Yes.

I haven't tried your custom editor, or indeed MC, but I assume it's only 
basic emacs key bindings that are supported. If you have support for "by 
example"  macro definition, programmable macros, etc. then I am *truly* 
impressed  :-)   But even basic key bindings / features is pretty 
helpful - that lets me think about what text I want, and my fingers make 
it happen without the brain being involved.

-- Alex




From jmyepes at mac.com  Sun Sep 27 19:18:02 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:18:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to create a background process
In-Reply-To: <25636469.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25616331.post@talk.nabble.com> <c78.5f567031.37ee8919@aol.com>
	<25629413.post@talk.nabble.com> <25636469.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25638635.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks for the info, I still testing. When finish I explain my experiencie. 

Salut,
Josep



TEDennis wrote:
> 
> 
> Josep wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I experimented with the send in time command.
>> I need to program some tasks to run at fixed time and days. Like schedule 
>> a task for a backup for example.
>> How can control this? Any experience?
>> And how lunch these task in the way that don't stop or delay the
>> app and/or system?
>> 
>> My idea is to program the time that the task must
>> be run. When the app is lunched I check thr task for day and 
>> "send in time" the task.
>> The task will be executed by a standalone stack.
>> The task are backups and calculate grand totals.
>> 
>> By other way a lunch speak messages to the user, but if one message is
>> runnig
>> and one second message start, the first is stoped.
>> How wait until the revspeak finish before start the next?
>> I tryed from a custom message and using wait for message but doesn't
>> work.
>>  
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Salut,
>> Josep
>> 
> 
> A heads-up, just in case it happens to you, too.
> 
> I've had difficulties with the "Send in time" process.  As long as the Rev
> task is the only Vista task running, it works fine.  ie: it can run all
> weekend, firing itself every nn minutes (15 or less depending on context).
> 
> However, during the week when I am using my PC to do other things at the
> same time (multiple browser sessions, for instance), the message I "sent
> in time" doesn't always get triggered.  I have to manually restart it.  I
> don't know what causes that to happen.  I have spent an hour or two trying
> to track it down, but since the task is not critical to my daily
> operations, I just ignore the problem and restart it manually.  It's
> frustrating, because I occasionally miss an interesting "event" that I'm
> tracking, but it's not worth the time and effort to spend a bunch of time
> tracking it down.
> 
> The "driver" task just does a "put URL tURL into tMessageHTML" and then
> re-triggers itself with a ||send "autoCapture" to me in tSeconds seconds||
> before it processes the tMessageHTML it received.  The task has only one
> stack; the mainstack.  I think that means the "autoCapture" message isn't
> getting fired in "tSeconds" seconds, or it's getting fired and for some
> reason doesn't get processed.
> 
> TED
> 

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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Sep 27 20:35:03 2009
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:35:03 -0500
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
In-Reply-To: <4ABEF7E7.70203@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABEF7E7.70203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <665591460909271735o3771eb26o4a6220951f9d7b26@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, Richard is correct...ButtonGadget creates raster buttons for Mac/PC and
works as a plugin inside Rev.
It creates it's own drop shadows for text, based on an algorithm generated
years ago...and slow. I'm looking forward to built in effects for Rev!

-C


From runrevron at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 04:00:25 2009
From: runrevron at gmail.com (ron barber)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:00:25 +0900
Subject: Standalones with dp 4.0
Message-ID: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
Do standalones built with a dp version of Rev expire? I know this was
discussed in the past but I couldn't find it in the archives. Perhaps
I used the wrong terms...

If my license is current and I build a standalone using the current
4.0 dp-4 then the standalone will continue to run just as though it
were built with a release version, right? (the limitations are that
the features/bugs may be changed/present?).

Thanks
Ron


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Sep 28 07:17:07 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
In-Reply-To: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25644033.post@talk.nabble.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> How often do you use emacs?
> 
Never, but I used vi a couple of days ago.  What else to use when you have
to edit etc/fstab on a system that will not boot into X?

Once you have learned it for that purpose, you find it surprisingly usable
for others....  But the editor I really like is Geany.

Peter

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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Sep 28 07:27:17 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:27:17 -0500
Subject: Standalones with dp 4.0
In-Reply-To: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC09D95.2080408@crcom.net>

In short, standalones NEVER expire.  What you are paying for with a 
license is updates to the development system.  If you're happy with what 
you have in DP-4, it will never have to change and you won't have to pay 
another penny.  You just won't see any of the wonderful new stuff runRev 
is working on.

len morgan

ron barber wrote:
> Greetings,
> Do standalones built with a dp version of Rev expire? I know this was
> discussed in the past but I couldn't find it in the archives. Perhaps
> I used the wrong terms...
>
> If my license is current and I build a standalone using the current
> 4.0 dp-4 then the standalone will continue to run just as though it
> were built with a release version, right? (the limitations are that
> the features/bugs may be changed/present?).
>
> Thanks
> Ron
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>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 07:29:06 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:29:06 +1000
Subject: Standalones with dp 4.0
In-Reply-To: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909280429l3bfca611o928b077f73df98a9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM, ron barber <runrevron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> Do standalones built with a dp version of Rev expire? I know this was
> discussed in the past but I couldn't find it in the archives. Perhaps
> I used the wrong terms...


It used to be that standalones built with pre-release version of Rev
did expire, however Kevin has stated that this is not the case with
the DPs of Rev 4.

Regards,
Sarah


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 28 07:43:26 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:43:26 +0200
Subject: Standalones with dp 4.0
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909280429l3bfca611o928b077f73df98a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909280429l3bfca611o928b077f73df98a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D4B0CE6-3788-45C2-89D6-0966E37187DC@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sarah,

Which version of Revolution created standalones that expired and where  
and when did Kevin say that particularly the dp's of Rev 4 would not  
expire?

To my best knowledge, there has never been a publicly available  
version of Revolution that expired, except for a few releases of 2.7,  
which were explicitly said to be non-public beta and useless after  
their expiration date. What did I forget? Perhaps a 1.x release?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 28 sep 2009, at 13:29, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM, ron barber <runrevron at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Do standalones built with a dp version of Rev expire? I know this was
>> discussed in the past but I couldn't find it in the archives. Perhaps
>> I used the wrong terms...
>
>
> It used to be that standalones built with pre-release version of Rev
> did expire, however Kevin has stated that this is not the case with
> the DPs of Rev 4.
>
> Regards,
> Sarah




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 28 08:00:06 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:00:06 +0200
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4ABAC9CF.8000903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <c6a.5aedaf5b.37ebe3ad@aol.com>
	<4ABAC9CF.8000903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A7BAB438-5CDF-40D5-B372-E4B9A3356273@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jacque,

Unfortunately, you are partly wrong (but fortunately you may also be  
partly right). If you create a standalone with a password-protected  
stack in 2.4 format, Revolution will convert it to 2.7 format. This  
means that a password-protected standalone created with Rev 4 will  
never run on Mac OS 9.

To answer OP's question, I was unable to get any standalone created in  
Mac OS X with Rev 2.7* or later working in Mac OS 9. There may be  
several reasons for this. I might be using commands and functions that  
are unavalable in the 2.6 engine, or my hard disk is formatted such  
that the file system can't deal with classic resource forks, or the  
new standalone builder forgets to add (parts of) the resource fork.

Whenever I have to create a standalone for Mac OS 9, I fire up my old  
PowerMac, edit the stack in Rev 2.6.1, and build the standalone inside  
the environment it is supposed to run in.

*) I write 2.7 for my own convenience. The OS9 option isn't always  
available.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 24 sep 2009, at 03:22, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>> All:
>> The 3.5 docs do say that the 2.6.1 classic engine is used to make  
>> the standalone, and that one should watch out for included v.3-4  
>> functionality that might break in that earlier version; that the  
>> newer code may not compile in the 2.6 engine. Makes sense.
>> Otherwise, except for that caveat, it seems like OS 9 is supported  
>> in v.3.5; it does after all create a fat standalone.
>
> The file format changed in Rev 2.7. If you want to build an OS 9  
> standalone using Rev 3.5, you need to save the stack in legacy  
> format (there's an option in the Save dialog for that.) If you  
> don't, the 2.6.1 engine can't read the 2.7 file format, which I  
> think is why your original standalone wouldn't launch.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 08:08:03 2009
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:08:03 -0400
Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor?
In-Reply-To: <25644033.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4ABF91E1.9080809@fourthworld.com> <25644033.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <325413300909280508vaa6c6b1ic92905f576672536@mail.gmail.com>

I use Textmate on the Mac and its "clone" E editor on the PC for everything
like this. I am sure the free Text Wrangler on the mac.

Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
www.dxbase.com
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
www.sdrsystems.com
(540) 242 0911

Amateur Radio: K3NC
Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/
DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com
Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/

DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23





On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> > How often do you use emacs?
> >
> Never, but I used vi a couple of days ago.  What else to use when you have
> to edit etc/fstab on a system that will not boot into X?
>
> Once you have learned it for that purpose, you find it surprisingly usable
> for others....  But the editor I really like is Geany.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--OT--JavaScript-editor--tp25635023p25644033.html
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 08:31:23 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:31:23 +1000
Subject: Standalones with dp 4.0
In-Reply-To: <8D4B0CE6-3788-45C2-89D6-0966E37187DC@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909280429l3bfca611o928b077f73df98a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D4B0CE6-3788-45C2-89D6-0966E37187DC@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909280531w2fe9c61dq1a406734378fd556@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Mark Schonewille
<m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> Which version of Revolution created standalones that expired and where and
> when did Kevin say that particularly the dp's of Rev 4 would not expire?

It never happened with standalones created with a release version, but
I think the betas of 3.0 & before used to expire. This was before the
open beta policy, when betas were only available to Enterprise licence
holders. I know I got bitten by that at least once :-(

With this experience, I asked on the list when the DPs of version 4.0
were released, and Kevin said in response that there was no expiry for
standalones created with the 4.0 DPs, even though they were
pre-release. Sorry, I don't remember exactly when that was.

Cheers,
Sarah


From runrevron at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 08:55:10 2009
From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:55:10 +0900
Subject: Standalones with dp 4.0
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909280531w2fe9c61dq1a406734378fd556@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5825034a0909280100s127efe4em1878a006f4e1c07f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860909280429l3bfca611o928b077f73df98a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D4B0CE6-3788-45C2-89D6-0966E37187DC@economy-x-talk.com>
	<f99b52860909280531w2fe9c61dq1a406734378fd556@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <468635AC-9733-4343-9D71-6E65CDC00481@gmail.com>

Thanks Sarah and Len, I have been Enterprise since 1.0 so I should  
have remembered this but in the back of my mind was the early versions  
and I did not have a need to know until now.

Thanks again,
Ron


On Sep 28, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Mark Schonewille
> <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> Which version of Revolution created standalones that expired and  
>> where and
>> when did Kevin say that particularly the dp's of Rev 4 would not  
>> expire?
>
> It never happened with standalones created with a release version, but
> I think the betas of 3.0 & before used to expire. This was before the
> open beta policy, when betas were only available to Enterprise licence
> holders. I know I got bitten by that at least once :-(
>
> With this experience, I asked on the list when the DPs of version 4.0
> were released, and Kevin said in response that there was no expiry for
> standalones created with the 4.0 DPs, even though they were
> pre-release. Sorry, I don't remember exactly when that was.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 28 09:03:25 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:03:25 +0200
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <A7BAB438-5CDF-40D5-B372-E4B9A3356273@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <c6a.5aedaf5b.37ebe3ad@aol.com>
	<4ABAC9CF.8000903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A7BAB438-5CDF-40D5-B372-E4B9A3356273@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <07125BF3-BC48-4A03-A464-57BAA9675C94@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jacque,

Just to add to my previous message, I created a few standalones with  
4.0 and no matter what I try, there are always one or more embedded  
stacks in 2.7 format. I'm not completely sure, however, that these  
stacks are my password-protected stacks, because I noticed that stacks  
may be embedded in both 2.4 and 2.7 format. I haven't got the time to  
figure it all out.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 28 sep 2009, at 14:00, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Jacque,
>
> Unfortunately, you are partly wrong (but fortunately you may also be  
> partly right). If you create a standalone with a password-protected  
> stack in 2.4 format, Revolution will convert it to 2.7 format. This  
> means that a password-protected standalone created with Rev 4 will  
> never run on Mac OS 9.
>
> To answer OP's question, I was unable to get any standalone created  
> in Mac OS X with Rev 2.7* or later working in Mac OS 9. There may be  
> several reasons for this. I might be using commands and functions  
> that are unavalable in the 2.6 engine, or my hard disk is formatted  
> such that the file system can't deal with classic resource forks, or  
> the new standalone builder forgets to add (parts of) the resource  
> fork.
>
> Whenever I have to create a standalone for Mac OS 9, I fire up my  
> old PowerMac, edit the stack in Rev 2.6.1, and build the standalone  
> inside the environment it is supposed to run in.
>
> *) I write 2.7 for my own convenience. The OS9 option isn't always  
> available.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com
>
> On 24 sep 2009, at 03:22, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>>> All:
>>> The 3.5 docs do say that the 2.6.1 classic engine is used to make  
>>> the standalone, and that one should watch out for included v.3-4  
>>> functionality that might break in that earlier version; that the  
>>> newer code may not compile in the 2.6 engine. Makes sense.
>>> Otherwise, except for that caveat, it seems like OS 9 is supported  
>>> in v.3.5; it does after all create a fat standalone.
>>
>> The file format changed in Rev 2.7. If you want to build an OS 9  
>> standalone using Rev 3.5, you need to save the stack in legacy  
>> format (there's an option in the Save dialog for that.) If you  
>> don't, the 2.6.1 engine can't read the 2.7 file format, which I  
>> think is why your original standalone wouldn't launch.



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Sep 28 09:30:48 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:48 +0200
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
Message-ID: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>

The RunRev docs yield the explanation and definition of regular  
expressions, used for example in the matchText function, to the  
following link:

<http://www.pcre.org/man.txt>


while doubtless definitive, this amounts to an academic thesis of many  
many pages, and of little practical use to folks not brought up on  
Unix, such as myself, who don't have quite a few hours to spare.

Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on  
Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me  
parse ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe  
it's time to suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.

TIA

Graham



From fvwalter at web.de  Mon Sep 28 10:59:08 2009
From: fvwalter at web.de (Florian von Walter)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:59:08 +0200
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
References: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AC0CF3C.6010303@web.de>

Graham,

a very good tutorial and reference has always been "Mastering Regular
Expressions" by Jeffrey Friedl:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596528126
http://regex.info/

This book explains how to use regular expressions and it also covers the
different styles of regular expressions.

As far as I remember the PCRE implementation of regular expressions
covers the Perl5 regex style so any decent introduction into Perl5-style
regular expressions will do it as well, for example:
http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html (Reference Manual)
http://perldoc.perl.org/perlrequick.html (Quick Intro)
http://perldoc.perl.org/perlretut.html (Longer Intro)

Regards, Florian

Graham Samuel wrote:
> The RunRev docs yield the explanation and definition of regular
> expressions, used for example in the matchText function, to the
> following link:
>
> <http://www.pcre.org/man.txt>
>
>
> while doubtless definitive, this amounts to an academic thesis of many
> many pages, and of little practical use to folks not brought up on
> Unix, such as myself, who don't have quite a few hours to spare.
>
> Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on
> Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me
> parse ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe
> it's time to suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 28 11:51:41 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:51:41 -0500
Subject: OS9 Standalone
In-Reply-To: <07125BF3-BC48-4A03-A464-57BAA9675C94@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <c6a.5aedaf5b.37ebe3ad@aol.com>	<4ABAC9CF.8000903@hyperactivesw.com>	<A7BAB438-5CDF-40D5-B372-E4B9A3356273@economy-x-talk.com>
	<07125BF3-BC48-4A03-A464-57BAA9675C94@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4AC0DB8D.6000102@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> Just to add to my previous message, I created a few standalones with 4.0 
> and no matter what I try, there are always one or more embedded stacks 
> in 2.7 format. I'm not completely sure, however, that these stacks are 
> my password-protected stacks, because I noticed that stacks may be 
> embedded in both 2.4 and 2.7 format. I haven't got the time to figure it 
> all out.

I won't have time to check till next week either, but I wonder if the 
problem is Rev's built-in libraries. I'm pretty sure those are all saved 
in the new format. And the revCommon library isn't even in the 
standalone builder, so you can't turn it off; it's added to all 
standalones automatically.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mcdomi at free.fr  Mon Sep 28 12:45:14 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:45:14 +0200
Subject: Distributing Mac apps
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70909262127o3597e054o68d84c6d13287ac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1j6rmv1.citi6m1q85nbbM%mcdomi@free.fr>

stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

>  I HATE IT when a third party application *insists* on being in the
> 'Application Folder'. I just have too many applications..  I want to use my
> own organizational system. I assume Apple apps always want to be there.

+1

I do have an "Applications" folder -- in my own session ;-)

So I ensure myself to backup the proper User -- me

And rely on the installation disc(s) to install -- restore the "root"
Applications one level "below" the User(s)

In the eventuality of a problem, it seems to me fundamental to separate
the "System" (as furnished by Apple), and whatever the User(s) has
(have) installed ;-)





From paulgabel at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 13:00:14 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:00:14 -0700
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>
	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>
	<001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
Message-ID: <961F5B2D-DC05-47A3-9216-749162FE7071@comcast.net>

Dear list members:

Thanks to everybody for your help.

Jim ? The remove .remove gmail workaround failed. I don't know why. I  
got the same bounce message.

I ended up just having him download the Windows file from my MobileMe  
Public Folder.

Best wishes,

Paul Gabel

---------------

On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Mark and Paul,
>
> The trick with gmail is change the file name to "file.zip.remove"  
> and in the
> instructions of your email say to remove .remove ;-) and unzip. This  
> is
> easier than having people change their email address. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:39 AM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Emailing a Rev file
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Tell the person not to use Gmail if you want to send him executables
>> in zip files. Gmail doesn't accept this. Mail.com is a good
>> alternative. You could also put the zip file on a server in a  
>> password-
>> protected directory and tell the recipient where to download it.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>>
>> Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com
>>
>> On 27 sep 2009, at 20:29, Gabel Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everybody:
>>>
>>> I made a .zip file from a standalone built for Mac OS X and emailed
>>> it to someone. It went through just fine. Then I did the same thing
>>> for a Windows build, but when I tried to email the file (7.9 MB) it
>>> bounced back with the following message:
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>>>
>>> Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 12 second(s):
>>>
>>> * xxxxx at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
>>> [76.96.30.80]
>>> Received-From-MTA: dns; OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
>>> [76.96.30.36]
>>> Arrival-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:11 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>> Final-recipient: rfc822; xxxxx at gmail.com
>>> Action: failed
>>> Status: 5.1.1
>>> Diagnostic-Code: smtp;  552 5.7.0 review our attachment guidelines.
>>> 11si8582788pxi.45
>>> Last-attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:20:23 +0000
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> Shouldn't this work either way? Any suggestions? Where do I find the
>>> "attachment guidelines"?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Paul Gabel
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 15:52:37 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:52:37 +0300
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
In-Reply-To: <4ABBFE15.1010307@fourthworld.com>
References: <4ABBFE15.1010307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AC11405.80305@gmail.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> For those of you who haven't been to the conference or
>> looked at Ben Beaumont's stack (with RevMedia dp-4),
>> the:
>>
>> Dropshadow
>>
>> Inner Shadow
>>
>> Outer Glow
>>
>> Inner Glow
>>
>> and Color Overlay
>>
>> are at least as good as Photoshop's and considerably
>> better than GIMP's.
>
> They're gorgeous, but with two significant omissions:
>
> 1. bevels - every other of the core set of image enhancement
>    goodies is there but this one, and this is the one most
>    needed for making custom buttons.
>
> 2. while these image enhancements work with all objects
>    (and beautifully so), the wonderful gradients added
>    in the last version are limited to graphic objects
>    only.   I can think of a great many cases where I'd
>    like to use button objects with gradients and shadows,
I don't know what all the fuss is about as I seem to always be
'breaking the rules' by using IMAGES, FIELDS and GRAPHICS
as BUTTONS.

A GRAPHIC object layered above a text field with all the
jazzy gradients can then be grouped with the text field
(or button, for that matter) to achieve all sorts of
spectacular results.

Go, get them:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/FB.rev.zip

>    but alas it's not possible without doing the screen-
>    capture-and-use-as-icon method, which is pretty much
>    the same as using Photoshop or any other external
>    tool to make custom buttons.  :(
Lateral Thinking  :)

Why do I feel that the graphic effects that have appeared
in the RR 4-dp4 offering are symptomatic of more to
come - I certainly hope so.

 From my point of view it is really lovely to leverage
these effects along with GIMP. GIMP does bevels (not
particularly good ones, admittedly); but its dropshadows
are really fairly awful, as are its glows.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep 28 16:03:58 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:03:58 -0700
Subject: Whither Photoshop and GIMP?
Message-ID: <4AC116AE.6050309@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> They're gorgeous, but with two significant omissions:
>>
>> 1. bevels - every other of the core set of image enhancement
>>    goodies is there but this one, and this is the one most
>>    needed for making custom buttons.
>>
>> 2. while these image enhancements work with all objects
>>    (and beautifully so), the wonderful gradients added
>>    in the last version are limited to graphic objects
>>    only.   I can think of a great many cases where I'd
>>    like to use button objects with gradients and shadows,
>
> I don't know what all the fuss is about as I seem to always be
> 'breaking the rules' by using IMAGES, FIELDS and GRAPHICS
> as BUTTONS.
> 
> A GRAPHIC object layered above a text field with all the
> jazzy gradients can then be grouped with the text field
> (or button, for that matter) to achieve all sorts of
> spectacular results.

I've made my share of custom controls, and with Rev 3.5's new Behaviors 
and group-specific messages it's easier now more than ever.

But still not as easy as using a built-in button, esp. when all one 
wants is a gradient effect that the engine already support but for a 
different object type.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Sep 28 16:12:26 2009
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:12:26 +0100
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <20090928170005.3D0F548AB52@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEDPCFAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>

There speaks a man after my own heart! I, too, have tried to wrestle with
pcre.org to no avail.

'Idiots Guide to...' all under one roof would be marvellous...
- Shell
- cgi
- post
- Cross-platform issues
[add your own here]

/H

---------------------------------------------------------------------
The RunRev docs yield the explanation and definition of regular
expressions, used for example in the matchText function, to the
following link:

<http://www.pcre.org/man.txt>


while doubtless definitive, this amounts to an academic thesis of many
many pages, and of little practical use to folks not brought up on
Unix, such as myself, who don't have quite a few hours to spare.

Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on
Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me
parse ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe
it's time to suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.

TIA

Graham
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 16:17:26 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:17:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
References: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <25652180.post@talk.nabble.com>




Graham Samuel-4 wrote:
> 
> The RunRev docs yield the explanation and definition of regular  
> expressions, used for example in the matchText function, to the  
> following link:
> 
> <http://www.pcre.org/man.txt>
> 
> 
> while doubtless definitive, this amounts to an academic thesis of many  
> many pages, and of little practical use to folks not brought up on  
> Unix, such as myself, who don't have quite a few hours to spare.
> 
> Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on  
> Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me  
> parse ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe  
> it's time to suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
The section is not referred to on the current runrev.com site that I can
tell any more, but you can still directly access the old scripting
conferences here: http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/

There is a very useful stack (number 16, Text munging, which includes regex)
by Alex Tweedly. Whatever the RunRev version you have, the regex is still
current, and very helpful to get to grips. Includes a sample email address
extractor, which shows just how to use it.
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Idiot%27s-guide-to-regular-expressions--tp25645710p25652180.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 28 17:59:50 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:59:50 -1000
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <961F5B2D-DC05-47A3-9216-749162FE7071@comcast.net>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>	<001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
	<961F5B2D-DC05-47A3-9216-749162FE7071@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005201ca4087$00db5fe0$02921fa0$@com>

Hi Paul,

> Jim - The remove .remove gmail workaround failed. I don't know why. I
> got the same bounce message.
> 
> I ended up just having him download the Windows file from my MobileMe
> Public Folder.

I don't know why either. I've used it many times and I just tested it now by
sending an 8.9 MB zip that contains an installer EXE, which in turn contains
3-Rev EXEs and a number of DLLs to my mother (couldn't think, off the top of
my head, who else has a generic Gmail account that I could bug with this ;-)
and it went through and I called her and we downloaded it from her Gmail to
her computer and unziped it and all went as expected. What took the most
time was explaining to her what and why I had sent and why, after all of
that, I was having her delete everything. (she doesn't know an EXE from a
shoe ;-)

Maybe the email address you are sending from has to be on the recipient's
contact list? Or, possibly, there is some other setting on the Gmail account
you are sending to that adds additional restrictions? However, this is the
trick for sending a zip to a generic Gmail address that by default rejects
zip and exe attachments.

In all cases I can remember, however, we had been corresponding first and I
would have been on their allowed contact list. I'm not in the habit of
sending out unsolicited EXEs. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 28 18:06:52 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:06:52 -1000
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
References: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005301ca4087$fca736a0$f5f5a3e0$@com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> The RunRev docs yield the explanation and definition of regular
> expressions, used for example in the matchText function, to the
> following link:
> 
> <http://www.pcre.org/man.txt>
> 
> 
> while doubtless definitive, this amounts to an academic thesis of many
> many pages, and of little practical use to folks not brought up on
> Unix, such as myself, who don't have quite a few hours to spare.
> 
> Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on
> Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me
> parse ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe
> it's time to suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.

There is a pretty nice site that comes very close to, if not exactly, what
you are looking for:

http://www.regular-expressions.info/examples.html

I believe they also have a book they sell that goes into even more detail.
All the regex on here works on Rev.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 21:15:27 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:15:27 +0800
Subject: Embedded switches?
In-Reply-To: <49680554062.20090921130343@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4AB7D8AA.9050101@gmail.com>
	<49680554062.20090921130343@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909281815q12ddbc1eo54d5ca2320a76c79@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>
> Actually there's no speed penalty for if/then vs switch constructs.
> They compile down to the same comparisons. If you're going to be
> applying the same tests repeatedly then you may find a negligible
> difference, but overall I wouldn't worry about this.
>
> Not precisely true. You may wish to look back at these two threads, lots of
benchmarking, sorry I haven't figured out how to create links to old threads
:-(

Subject: if statements vs case
Date: 27 feb 07
From: Hershel Fisch

Subject: switch case question
Date: 10/22/06
From: Mark Swindell

Basically, timings are similar BUT Dar Scott in the 2006 thread determined
those cases (sorry for the pun) where one will be faster than the other. I
believe the general conclusion was, if speed meant everything to you, you'd
need to benchmark both.

For Richmond, there is a simpler, cleaner option than complex CASE or IF
structures containing ever deepening embedded complex CASE or IF structures.
A single complex CASE structure (if it's complex I avoid IF structures)
containing many custom handlers. The custom handlers may then contain a
single complex CASE structure which may contain further custom handlers,
which may contain....., you get the picture.

General rule of thumb, if you spend more than a minute trying to match
IF/END IF, CASE/BREAK (or find yourself constantly using tRev's brilliant
Control Structure hilight feature) then it's probably time to Cut and Paste
some code into it's own custom handler.

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 21:54:30 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:54:30 +0800
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
References: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909281854x5e9dbec2hdea34ede67925a15@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on
> Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me parse
> ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe it's time to
> suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.
>
> Graham, unfortunately you don't mention which platform you're on, but for
those suffering similar, using OS X 10.4 or higher, may I suggest the free
RegExhibit:

http://homepage.mac.com/roger_jolly/software/index.html

Call up the Help Menu -> RegExhibit Help and check out "Regular expression
overview", it's in a seperate window so you can work with RegExhibit at the
same time as you read the Overview. Basically RegExhibit has two fields, you
copy and paste into the bottom field a sample of text you'd be working with.
In the top field you build your grep, as you build it characters in the
lower field start becoming colourised, you just keep building your grep
until you get a perfect match :-) Note there are different colours for match
vs capturing [using ()].

I use grep very infrequently and find RegExhibit a massive time saver.

I use to have a multi-platform Java app that basically did the same, but
trashed it once I found the faster RegExhibit; so if you are on Win, I'm
sure you can find similar out there.

Don't forget that within Rev there is the Rinaldi plugin RegExBuilder -
Development -> Plugins. It's basically the same as RegExhibit except no
Overview. It's perfect for double checking your grep behaves in Rev as it's
suppose to without having to write any scripts.

Finally, for Mac users again and those with pre 10.4 machines, the free, and
every Mac user should have, text editor TextWrangler from BareBones:

http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html

also has an excellent rundown on using grep. Go to the Help menu ->
TextWrangler Help, go to the Grep Reference hyperlink. Again you can enter
sample text into the main document window
and then enter your grep into the find window. It's not live like
RegExhibit, you have to keep hitting the Search button to see your results,
so it's not as fast.

HTH


From ma at snowcamp.org  Mon Sep 28 22:13:28 2009
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:13:28 -0400
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
Message-ID: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>

Ok, finally back at Revolution, glad to be back, it really is fun.   
Using Revolution Enterprise 4.0.0-dp-4 Build 910 on Max OS/X 10.5.8,  
Intel.

Writing a little app to produce a Eudora -ike Filter Report for Apple  
Mail.  I hate to give up Eudora, but Apple is adding more and more  
native, integrated function and Eudora proper is no more and becoming  
more incompatible. Growl doesn't quite do what I want.

When mail is acted on via a rule, it invokes an applescript that sends  
a message to the stack that indicates the destination mailbox.  The  
stack has a script that wakes up every 20 seconds to check if its been  
at least 20 seconds since the last message was filtered and if there  
are any updated mailboxes.

This all works fine when under the development environment, but when I  
generate a standalone application, the window doesn't appear  
anywhere.  The application starts and has its application menu, but no  
stack window.

Only the stack script has any code ...  there are a few functions and  
message handlers (one called from applescript) and the following:

on startup
    InitAll
    repeat
       wait for 20 seconds with messages
       CheckCounts      --decides if/when to print the list of  
affected mailboxes
    end repeat
end startup

Any ideas what I have done wrong?  Do I need to do something else to  
get the window to appear?

thanks in advance,
Mike.




From gfioravantirev at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 22:35:44 2009
From: gfioravantirev at gmail.com (Grace Fioravanti)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:35:44 -0700
Subject: cURL question (Windows)
Message-ID: <b8ecc7300909281935h658cf555h9f548e7abd55b788@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running a cURL command in Rev, but every time the process is opened, a
command window opens and closes.  This only occurs in the Windows version.
Is there a way to open a process without seeing this window?

Thanks!


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Sep 28 22:48:27 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <4AC0CF3C.6010303@web.de>
References: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
	<4AC0CF3C.6010303@web.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0909281947340.9729@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Didn't Jacque do a presentation on this at the Vegas event?

Judy

>> Of course there is no shortage of other texts on regex to be found on
>> Google, but can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me
>> parse ascii strings without too many tears? If there is one, maybe
>> it's time to suggest that RunRev mention it in the documentation.


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 22:50:00 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:50:00 -0700
Subject: cURL question (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <b8ecc7300909281935h658cf555h9f548e7abd55b788@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8ecc7300909281935h658cf555h9f548e7abd55b788@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9809B500-770D-417D-B5AF-1C6663BC8F87@yahoo.com>

I believe you need to look in the Rev dictionary under
"hide console" or "hideconsole"
it is something like 'set the hideconsole to true'



  Jim
On Sep 28, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Grace Fioravanti wrote:

> I'm running a cURL command in Rev, but every time the process is  
> opened, a
> command window opens and closes.  This only occurs in the Windows  
> version.
> Is there a way to open a process without seeing this window?
>
> Thanks!
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Sep 28 23:06:26 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:06:26 -0700
Subject: cURL question (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <9809B500-770D-417D-B5AF-1C6663BC8F87@yahoo.com>
References: <b8ecc7300909281935h658cf555h9f548e7abd55b788@mail.gmail.com>
	<9809B500-770D-417D-B5AF-1C6663BC8F87@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AC179B2.9060505@pdslabs.net>

set the hideConsoleWindows to true


Jim Ault wrote:
> I believe you need to look in the Rev dictionary under
> "hide console" or "hideconsole"
> it is something like 'set the hideconsole to true'
>
>
>
>  Jim
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Grace Fioravanti wrote:
>
>> I'm running a cURL command in Rev, but every time the process is 
>> opened, a
>> command window opens and closes.  This only occurs in the Windows 
>> version.
>> Is there a way to open a process without seeing this window?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> Jim Ault
> jimaultwins at yahoo.com 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Sep 28 23:26:24 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting option button from another option button
Message-ID: <25656397.post@talk.nabble.com>


i have two options buttons on different pages. They both have the same text
content and the same number of lines. How do I script a choice in option
button no. 1 so that the same choice is displayed in the second option
button on a different page? I was able to write a script to change the text
in the second option button but it causes the other lines of text to be
replaced by the choice selected in the first option button. I want the
second option button to offer and retain the same choices as the first
option button.
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 28 23:36:17 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:36:17 -1000
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>

Mike Arnold wrote:

> Ok, finally back at Revolution, glad to be back, it really is fun.
> Using Revolution Enterprise 4.0.0-dp-4 Build 910 on Max OS/X 10.5.8,
> Intel.
> 
> Writing a little app to produce a Eudora -ike Filter Report for Apple
> Mail.  I hate to give up Eudora, but Apple is adding more and more
> native, integrated function and Eudora proper is no more and becoming
> more incompatible. Growl doesn't quite do what I want.
> 
> When mail is acted on via a rule, it invokes an applescript that sends
> a message to the stack that indicates the destination mailbox.  The
> stack has a script that wakes up every 20 seconds to check if its been
> at least 20 seconds since the last message was filtered and if there
> are any updated mailboxes.
> 
> This all works fine when under the development environment, but when I
> generate a standalone application, the window doesn't appear
> anywhere.  The application starts and has its application menu, but no
> stack window.
> 
> Only the stack script has any code ...  there are a few functions and
> message handlers (one called from applescript) and the following:
> 
> on startup
>     InitAll
>     repeat
>        wait for 20 seconds with messages
>        CheckCounts      --decides if/when to print the list of
> affected mailboxes
>     end repeat
> end startup
> 
> Any ideas what I have done wrong?  Do I need to do something else to
> get the window to appear?

What exits your repeat loop? Just curious. ;-) Other than this, if it runs
in the IDE but not in a standalone, then I would guess that there is an
include missing. In your Standalone Settings, do you have Search for
required Inclusions... checked, or Select inclusions...? If you put a beep
in your repeat loop, do you hear constant beeps? If you create an *on
openStack* handler and put a put to the message box, does it show up in the
message box? If the answer to any of the above is no, check for a missing
include.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Sep 28 23:43:26 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:43:26 -1000
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
	<005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>
Message-ID: <005701ca40b7$014d33b0$03e79b10$@com>

Sorry, that was silly. What I meant to say is if you take the beeps out the
repeat loop and put one into the on openStack, does it beep? There is no
message box in a standalone. ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bufalini
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:36 PM
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
> 
> Mike Arnold wrote:
> 
> > Ok, finally back at Revolution, glad to be back, it really is fun.
> > Using Revolution Enterprise 4.0.0-dp-4 Build 910 on Max OS/X 10.5.8,
> > Intel.
> >
> > Writing a little app to produce a Eudora -ike Filter Report for Apple
> > Mail.  I hate to give up Eudora, but Apple is adding more and more
> > native, integrated function and Eudora proper is no more and becoming
> > more incompatible. Growl doesn't quite do what I want.
> >
> > When mail is acted on via a rule, it invokes an applescript that
> sends
> > a message to the stack that indicates the destination mailbox.  The
> > stack has a script that wakes up every 20 seconds to check if its
> been
> > at least 20 seconds since the last message was filtered and if there
> > are any updated mailboxes.
> >
> > This all works fine when under the development environment, but when
> I
> > generate a standalone application, the window doesn't appear
> > anywhere.  The application starts and has its application menu, but
> no
> > stack window.
> >
> > Only the stack script has any code ...  there are a few functions and
> > message handlers (one called from applescript) and the following:
> >
> > on startup
> >     InitAll
> >     repeat
> >        wait for 20 seconds with messages
> >        CheckCounts      --decides if/when to print the list of
> > affected mailboxes
> >     end repeat
> > end startup
> >
> > Any ideas what I have done wrong?  Do I need to do something else to
> > get the window to appear?
> 
> What exits your repeat loop? Just curious. ;-) Other than this, if it
> runs
> in the IDE but not in a standalone, then I would guess that there is an
> include missing. In your Standalone Settings, do you have Search for
> required Inclusions... checked, or Select inclusions...? If you put a
> beep
> in your repeat loop, do you hear constant beeps? If you create an *on
> openStack* handler and put a put to the message box, does it show up in
> the
> message box? If the answer to any of the above is no, check for a
> missing
> include.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From ma at snowcamp.org  Tue Sep 29 00:09:11 2009
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:09:11 -0400
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <005701ca40b7$014d33b0$03e79b10$@com>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
	<005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>
	<005701ca40b7$014d33b0$03e79b10$@com>
Message-ID: <7DC99998-A48C-40E1-B5D8-536727DED8B5@snowcamp.org>

Jim,

Thank you very much for your suggestions.  In fact, I did not have  
'Search for Inclusions', but changed to that setting. I added a beep  
in the repeat loop, 5 beeps in the openStack and 2 in the  
preOpenStack, just for kicks.

When I open the stack in the development environment, I get the 5  
beeps, and if I send a startup message I get the 1 beep from the  
repeat. (no preOpenStack)

But in the standalone, I just get the repeat loop beep.  No openStack  
message (or preOpenStack), which (as you know) is rather ominous,  
since the doc clearly states that 'The openStack message is sent after  
the stack is visible.'

And yes, you caught me, no real exit from the loop, but FilterReport- 
 >Quit seems to work great  for now :-), though not as satisfactory in  
the development environment ... one brick at a time.  In this case,  
nothing to save, so no real worries.

Should the standalone build not find its own inclusions, or do I need  
to specifically include something?

Aloha from North Carolina,
Mike.


From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 29 00:49:41 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:49:41 -1000
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <7DC99998-A48C-40E1-B5D8-536727DED8B5@snowcamp.org>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>	<005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>	<005701ca40b7$014d33b0$03e79b10$@com>
	<7DC99998-A48C-40E1-B5D8-536727DED8B5@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <005801ca40c0$42595650$c70c02f0$@com>

Mike,

> Thank you very much for your suggestions.  In fact, I did not have
> 'Search for Inclusions', but changed to that setting. I added a beep
> in the repeat loop, 5 beeps in the openStack and 2 in the
> preOpenStack, just for kicks.
> 
> When I open the stack in the development environment, I get the 5
> beeps, and if I send a startup message I get the 1 beep from the
> repeat. (no preOpenStack)
> 
> But in the standalone, I just get the repeat loop beep.  No openStack
> message (or preOpenStack), which (as you know) is rather ominous,
> since the doc clearly states that 'The openStack message is sent after
> the stack is visible.'
> 
> And yes, you caught me, no real exit from the loop, but FilterReport-
>  >Quit seems to work great  for now :-), though not as satisfactory in
> the development environment ... one brick at a time.  In this case,
> nothing to save, so no real worries.
> 
> Should the standalone build not find its own inclusions, or do I need
> to specifically include something?

It "should" but sometimes doesn't. ;-) It absolutely won't, if you have a
protected stack. Do you? Always safer to select your own inclusions.

Since I have no idea what's in your InitAll command, I can't even guess what
you need to include. But, since you say it works in the IDE, and not in the
Standalone, it has to be the includes.

So switch back to Select Includes and select anything that even remotely
seems related to your code. If the stack then shows, you can back out
includes that probably are not the problem.

I also don't know the flow of your app, but I would guess you could move all
of your code to a preOpenStack rather than Startup.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 00:54:06 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:54:06 EDT
Subject: Setting option button from another option button
Message-ID: <d1b.490c9502.37f2ecee@aol.com>

Check out the "menuHistory" property, If I understand what you want 
correctly, you can get this property on one button and then set it on the other.

Craig Newman


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep 29 02:08:12 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
References: <126DF16C-E89C-4B58-9472-4D77531A7AA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <25657423.post@talk.nabble.com>


pp 26-54, Chapter 3, of the O'Reilly book 'Sed and Awk'.


Graham Samuel-4 wrote:
> 
> ....can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me  
> parse ascii strings without too many tears? .....
> 
> 

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:07:58 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:07:58 +0300
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
Message-ID: <4AC1F89E.1020908@gmail.com>

Why do I always have this urge to antagonise Richard Gaskin?

Go, get it:-

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/BEVEL.rev.zip

OK, OK, I cheated; it consists of 3 graphic objects, and
I ripped the idea off from here:

http://www.web-den.org.uk/webbist/bevel.php

Mind you, it looks jolly good!


From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Tue Sep 29 08:59:09 2009
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:59:09 +0100
Subject: A note about fillGradient and Co.
In-Reply-To: <20090928114332.7711948AB1A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090928114332.7711948AB1A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <10A6DAC9-A387-4D4D-BC5E-7E4DA6CF5388@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>


On 28 Sep 2009, at 12:43 pm, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>
>> Wow! Surely "Delivering a Message TO the Future" would be even
>> better.
>
> ...and "Delivering a Message to the Past" would save me a *lot* of
> trial-and-error. Filed an enhancement request as BZ #8305.

Not if it could be one of those 'Back to the Future' things, where  
you start to fade out of photographs and the like ;-)

David Glasgow

From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Sep 29 09:43:27 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:43:27 +0200
Subject: Idiot's guide to regular expressions?
In-Reply-To: <20090928170005.3D0F548AB52@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090928170005.3D0F548AB52@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9A103FDF-8DFC-484A-B37A-AEF8D21FC35A@mac.com>

Thanks Florian - the Quick Intro is the one for me - short and free!  
It approximates to an idiot's guide, although a text of the same  
length that was written with RunRev in mind would of course be ideal.

The book (quite expensive) appears to be much more of a in-depth  
study, and the review which praises its completeness and readability  
also suggests that it would take a long time to absorb, which is  
precisely what I'm trying to avoid.

It is odd in this day and age to have to deal with what amounts to a  
language (for an automaton) with no debugging features at all! Or  
perhaps I've got even that bit wrong.

Anyway I am now launched on yet another journey of discovery - thanks  
again.

Graham

On 28 Sep 2009, at 16:59:08 +0200, Florian von Walter  
<fvwalter at web.de> wrote:

> Graham,
>
> a very good tutorial and reference has always been "Mastering Regular
> Expressions" by Jeffrey Friedl:
> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596528126
> http://regex.info/
>
> This book explains how to use regular expressions and it also covers  
> the
> different styles of regular expressions.
>
> As far as I remember the PCRE implementation of regular expressions
> covers the Perl5 regex style so any decent introduction into Perl5- 
> style
> regular expressions will do it as well, for example:
> http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html (Reference Manual)
> http://perldoc.perl.org/perlrequick.html (Quick Intro)
> http://perldoc.perl.org/perlretut.html (Longer Intro)
>
> Regards, Florian



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 29 10:04:16 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:04:16 -0700
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
Message-ID: <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> Why do I always have this urge to antagonise Richard Gaskin?

That's an interesting question, but no antagonism here on this:  as I 
noted earlier, using multiple objects can get the job done, as Chipp 
demonstrated years ago with Button Gadget.

Still, it would be nice to have a bevel effect in the engine (along with 
gradients for objects other than just graphics, and few other things 
like Malte's blur suggestion).

> Go, get it:-
> 
> http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/BEVEL.rev.zip
> 
> OK, OK, I cheated; it consists of 3 graphic objects, and
> I ripped the idea off from here:
> 
> http://www.web-den.org.uk/webbist/bevel.php
> 
> Mind you, it looks jolly good!

Indeed, nicely done.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From tareq_tawaiha at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 11:38:10 2009
From: tareq_tawaiha at yahoo.com (tareq_tawaiha)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: video corrupted when downloaded from server
Message-ID: <25665382.post@talk.nabble.com>


I am trying to download ".avi" videos from a ftp server. When i use an ftp
client like "filezilla" , i can download any avi and no problems occur.
However when i try to download it using RunRev it gets corrupted. It either
plays the video choppy , with green screen, with no screen, with a black
background or with audio only.  

The avi files i am testing with are no larger than 10 MB, this number might
go up to 50 MB . 

here is the code i am using 

put fld "ftp folder" of card "ftpcommandG" of stack "studentWork" into
tServer 
(this will put the server connection ftp://USER:Pass at site.com) 


 if tFile ends with curTimeT&".avi" then
         put tFile into tMovieFileName
         put tServer & tMovieFileName into tServerPath
         put tFolder &tMoviefilename into tFolderPathMovie
         put URL tServerPath into URL tFolderPathMovie
         wait for messages


the movie file does get downloaded, but problems occur when trying to play
it.  I also tried the libURLDownloadToFile
downloadURL,filePath[,callbackMessage] and it would not download anything or
give back a call message. 

I uploaded 2 images and an example of a corrupted .avi 

I created these movies using runrev, and they upload to a server with no
problems, only upon downloading them do they get corrupted.  

http://www.nabble.com/file/p25665382/9.28.20099.28.2009%2B14-21-03.avi
9.28.20099.28.2009+14-21-03.avi <spaaaaaaace>
http://www.nabble.com/file/p25665382/Picture%2B1.png <spaaaaaaace>
http://www.nabble.com/file/p25665382/Picture%2B2.png <spaaaaaaace>

anyone have an idea of why this is happening or has a suggestion for a
different method of download the files ?
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 11:56:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:56:06 +0300
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AC22E16.1000008@gmail.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> Why do I always have this urge to antagonise Richard Gaskin?
>
> That's an interesting question, but no antagonism here on this:  
I don't really have an urge to antagonise Richard Gaskin, but, when people
suggest that something cannot be done in Rutime Revolution I DO have an
urge to try and prove them wrong.

> as I noted earlier, using multiple objects can get the job done, as 
> Chipp demonstrated years ago with Button Gadget.
You are quite right.
>
> Still, it would be nice to have a bevel effect in the engine (along 
> with gradients for objects other than just graphics, and few other 
> things like Malte's blur suggestion).
See my posting about my feeling that the current visual/graphic stuff
is a sign of even better things to come.
>
>> Go, get it:-
>>
>> http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/BEVEL.rev.zip
>>
>> OK, OK, I cheated; it consists of 3 graphic objects, and
>> I ripped the idea off from here:
>>
>> http://www.web-den.org.uk/webbist/bevel.php
>>
>> Mind you, it looks jolly good!
>
> Indeed, nicely done.
>
> -- 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 29 11:56:55 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:56:55 -0700
Subject: video corrupted when downloaded from server
Message-ID: <4AC22E47.6050703@fourthworld.com>

tareq_tawaiha wrote:
> I am trying to download ".avi" videos from a ftp server. When i use an ftp
> client like "filezilla" , i can download any avi and no problems occur.
> However when i try to download it using RunRev it gets corrupted. It either
> plays the video choppy , with green screen, with no screen, with a black
> background or with audio only.  
> 
> The avi files i am testing with are no larger than 10 MB, this number might
> go up to 50 MB . 
> 
> here is the code i am using 
> 
> put fld "ftp folder" of card "ftpcommandG" of stack "studentWork" into
> tServer 
> (this will put the server connection ftp://USER:Pass at site.com) 
> 
> 
>  if tFile ends with curTimeT&".avi" then
>          put tFile into tMovieFileName
>          put tServer & tMovieFileName into tServerPath
>          put tFolder &tMoviefilename into tFolderPathMovie
>          put URL tServerPath into URL tFolderPathMovie
>          wait for messages


The code doesn't show us the local path in tFolderPathMovie, but make 
sure it starts with "binfile:" rather than "file:".

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
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From tareq_tawaiha at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 12:29:04 2009
From: tareq_tawaiha at yahoo.com (tareq_tawaiha)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: video corrupted when downloaded from server
In-Reply-To: <4AC22E47.6050703@fourthworld.com>
References: <25665382.post@talk.nabble.com> <4AC22E47.6050703@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25666337.post@talk.nabble.com>


my local folder was using file instead of binfile. That solved it. 




Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> tareq_tawaiha wrote:
>> I am trying to download ".avi" videos from a ftp server. When i use an
>> ftp
>> client like "filezilla" , i can download any avi and no problems occur.
>> However when i try to download it using RunRev it gets corrupted. It
>> either
>> plays the video choppy , with green screen, with no screen, with a black
>> background or with audio only.  
>> 
>> The avi files i am testing with are no larger than 10 MB, this number
>> might
>> go up to 50 MB . 
>> 
>> here is the code i am using 
>> 
>> put fld "ftp folder" of card "ftpcommandG" of stack "studentWork" into
>> tServer 
>> (this will put the server connection ftp://USER:Pass at site.com) 
>> 
>> 
>>  if tFile ends with curTimeT&".avi" then
>>          put tFile into tMovieFileName
>>          put tServer & tMovieFileName into tServerPath
>>          put tFolder &tMoviefilename into tFolderPathMovie
>>          put URL tServerPath into URL tFolderPathMovie
>>          wait for messages
> 
> 
> The code doesn't show us the local path in tFolderPathMovie, but make 
> sure it starts with "binfile:" rather than "file:".
> 
> --
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Sep 29 12:37:10 2009
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:37:10 -0700
Subject: SQLite substr strangeness
Message-ID: <7D427EEE-8593-4DB9-BB83-39AE16E9DD7B@mollysrevenge.com>

Posted this on the forum recently but had no ideas.  Anyone else come  
across this?

Something weird going on with a SELECT statement that includes a  
substr function.

This statement yields the ubiquitous "SQL error or missing database"  
rev error:

SELECT AccountID,substr(AccountName,12) FROM AccountHdr WHERE  
AccountType='Asset' AND substr(AccountName,1,11)='Receivable:' AND  
Hidden =0 ORDER BY AccountName

The exact same statement (copied and pasted) in the Firefox SQLite  
Manager plug in works fine and produces the correct results.

Trial and error shows that the following works:

SELECT AccountID,AccountName FROM AccountHdr WHERE AccountType='Asset'  
AND substr(AccountName,1,11)='Receivable:' AND Hidden =0 ORDER BY  
AccountName

So something about the substr function in the SELECT appears to be the  
problem. I'm using revDataFromQuery to execute the SELECT.

Any ideas?

As an aside, why does rev not return specific SQLite error messages?

Thanks,
Pete



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 29 09:56:06 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:56:06 -0400
Subject: Free Session of Professional Application Development With
	Revolution Starts in 1 Hour
Message-ID: <5A8578B6-DC19-4FA5-A289-0B6E3AE103E4@mangomultimedia.com>

Just a reminder that the first session of Professional Application  
Development with Revolution starts in a little over an hour. RunRev is  
sponsoring it so the first session is free for anyone to attend (there  
are 4 sessions in all).

If you haven't signed up yet you can do so at the following url:

<https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/147167528>

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 29 12:55:05 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:55:05 -0400
Subject: Free Session of Professional Application Development With
	Revolution Starts in 1 Hour
In-Reply-To: <5A8578B6-DC19-4FA5-A289-0B6E3AE103E4@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <5A8578B6-DC19-4FA5-A289-0B6E3AE103E4@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <DD0BA2D0-2430-4D88-B5E0-804D7F971020@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Just a reminder that the first session of Professional Application  
> Development with Revolution starts in a little over an hour. RunRev  
> is sponsoring it so the first session is free for anyone to attend  
> (there are 4 sessions in all).
>
> If you haven't signed up yet you can do so at the following url:
>
> <https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/147167528>

Apparently this message was delayed by 2 hours. The session is  
actually over now but we will be posting a recording of it later on.

-- 
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From ma at snowcamp.org  Tue Sep 29 13:01:12 2009
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:01:12 -0400
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <005801ca40c0$42595650$c70c02f0$@com>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>	<005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>	<005701ca40b7$014d33b0$03e79b10$@com>
	<7DC99998-A48C-40E1-B5D8-536727DED8B5@snowcamp.org>
	<005801ca40c0$42595650$c70c02f0$@com>
Message-ID: <0C688B3E-04C1-4070-869C-3AED3607D093@snowcamp.org>

Jim,

Well, it seems that preOpenStack isn't getting called at all ...  
doesn't seem to want to really display the stack window.

The InitAll is pretty simple (all of it is pretty simple):

> on InitAll
>    delete global gMailBoxCountA
>    delete global gMailBoxTimeA
>    delete global gMinTimeDiff
>    delete global gTimeStamp
>    set the twelveHourTime to false
>    put "" into field "myFilterList"
>    put "Filter Report Starting..."&&linefeed after last line of  
> field "myFilterList"
> end InitAll


So, I clicked and selected every include listed ... and still no joy.

I have other stacks from the past that seem to work.  Note that I  
tried this with Studio 2.9.0 Build 610, and the standalone acts the  
same (i.e. no window).

I really didn't do anything special to the environment (that I can  
recall doing :-)

Note that I am running on a MacBookPro and have an external screen,  
wonder if that is making RR crazy?

I know its something silly,
Mike.




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep 29 13:01:39 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:01:39 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
Message-ID: <D71EC2AA-E382-4EF0-AAA6-ED93A4508D24@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

maybe someone can shed some light on this puzzle?

I created a standalone with Rev Enterprise which loads/plays/shows
stacks that are created with Rev Studio, not by me.

But when I try to open one of these stacks, nothing happens and after
checking in the standalone "the result" after "go stack XYZ"=

stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition

WTF???????

All filepaths are correct = the stacks ARE found and present!
And of course I can open these stacks in the IDE, nothing special with  
these stacks!

Any hints?


Best

Klaus

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Sep 29 13:20:03 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:20:03 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <D71EC2AA-E382-4EF0-AAA6-ED93A4508D24@major.on-rev.com>
References: <D71EC2AA-E382-4EF0-AAA6-ED93A4508D24@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <ACBF94AA-A4C3-42CD-9892-1289C277A5C7@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> maybe someone can shed some light on this puzzle?
>
> I created a standalone with Rev Enterprise which loads/plays/shows
> stacks that are created with Rev Studio, not by me.
>
> But when I try to open one of these stacks, nothing happens and after
> checking in the standalone "the result" after "go stack XYZ"=
>
> stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition
>
> WTF???????
>
> All filepaths are correct = the stacks ARE found and present!
> And of course I can open these stacks in the IDE, nothing special  
> with these stacks!
>
> Any hints?

Rosebud.   Ummmm... no I mean Vista?

sims



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep 29 13:26:37 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:26:37 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <ACBF94AA-A4C3-42CD-9892-1289C277A5C7@ezpzapps.com>
References: <D71EC2AA-E382-4EF0-AAA6-ED93A4508D24@major.on-rev.com>
	<ACBF94AA-A4C3-42CD-9892-1289C277A5C7@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <C6D61584-79BA-43B0-92F6-D0BB904E877C@major.on-rev.com>

Hi sims,

>
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> maybe someone can shed some light on this puzzle?
>>
>> I created a standalone with Rev Enterprise which loads/plays/shows
>> stacks that are created with Rev Studio, not by me.
>>
>> But when I try to open one of these stacks, nothing happens and after
>> checking in the standalone "the result" after "go stack XYZ"=
>>
>> stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition
>>
>> WTF???????
>>
>> All filepaths are correct = the stacks ARE found and present!
>> And of course I can open these stacks in the IDE, nothing special  
>> with these stacks!
>>
>> Any hints?
>
> Rosebud.   Ummmm... no I mean Vista?

Even worse! This is on OS X!

> sims

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Sep 29 13:32:49 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:32:49 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <C6D61584-79BA-43B0-92F6-D0BB904E877C@major.on-rev.com>
References: <D71EC2AA-E382-4EF0-AAA6-ED93A4508D24@major.on-rev.com>
	<ACBF94AA-A4C3-42CD-9892-1289C277A5C7@ezpzapps.com>
	<C6D61584-79BA-43B0-92F6-D0BB904E877C@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <D9CA631A-3B61-41E0-AC38-42253688EE45@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

>>> And of course I can open these stacks in the IDE, nothing special  
>>> with these stacks!
>>>
>>> Any hints?
>>
>> Rosebud.   Ummmm... no I mean Vista?

Continuing on with Rosebud, Snow?

Snow Leopard?


sims




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep 29 13:40:49 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:40:49 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <D9CA631A-3B61-41E0-AC38-42253688EE45@ezpzapps.com>
References: <D71EC2AA-E382-4EF0-AAA6-ED93A4508D24@major.on-rev.com>
	<ACBF94AA-A4C3-42CD-9892-1289C277A5C7@ezpzapps.com>
	<C6D61584-79BA-43B0-92F6-D0BB904E877C@major.on-rev.com>
	<D9CA631A-3B61-41E0-AC38-42253688EE45@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <0155AA65-1076-4FED-B2C3-3B05E23DD890@major.on-rev.com>

Hi sims,

> On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>
>>>> And of course I can open these stacks in the IDE, nothing special  
>>>> with these stacks!
>>>> Any hints?
>>> Rosebud.   Ummmm... no I mean Vista?
> Continuing on with Rosebud, Snow?

Joseph Cotton? :-D

> Snow Leopard?

No. plain Leppard 10.5.8 and Rev 3.5.

> sims

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From paulgabel at comcast.net  Tue Sep 29 13:48:26 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:48:26 -0700
Subject: Emailing a Rev file
In-Reply-To: <005201ca4087$00db5fe0$02921fa0$@com>
References: <E3FDF4BD-29DE-4CD4-BCCE-CE2C8BE98FB1@comcast.net>	<C07A0821-97AB-4FA2-8E0D-937E0D776647@economy-x-talk.com>	<001601ca3fa8$a05e7140$e11b53c0$@com>
	<961F5B2D-DC05-47A3-9216-749162FE7071@comcast.net>
	<005201ca4087$00db5fe0$02921fa0$@com>
Message-ID: <A8586E1D-F1E8-4C87-BAE7-58E5C3605394@comcast.net>

Jim:

Thanks for going to all that trouble. I'll keep your trick in mind if  
I ever get into this situation again.

Paul Gabel

---------------

On Sep 28, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
>> Jim - The remove .remove gmail workaround failed. I don't know why. I
>> got the same bounce message.
>>
>> I ended up just having him download the Windows file from my MobileMe
>> Public Folder.
>
> I don't know why either. I've used it many times and I just tested  
> it now by
> sending an 8.9 MB zip that contains an installer EXE, which in turn  
> contains
> 3-Rev EXEs and a number of DLLs to my mother (couldn't think, off  
> the top of
> my head, who else has a generic Gmail account that I could bug with  
> this ;-)
> and it went through and I called her and we downloaded it from her  
> Gmail to
> her computer and unziped it and all went as expected. What took the  
> most
> time was explaining to her what and why I had sent and why, after  
> all of
> that, I was having her delete everything. (she doesn't know an EXE  
> from a
> shoe ;-)
>
> Maybe the email address you are sending from has to be on the  
> recipient's
> contact list? Or, possibly, there is some other setting on the Gmail  
> account
> you are sending to that adds additional restrictions? However, this  
> is the
> trick for sending a zip to a generic Gmail address that by default  
> rejects
> zip and exe attachments.
>
> In all cases I can remember, however, we had been corresponding  
> first and I
> would have been on their allowed contact list. I'm not in the habit of
> sending out unsolicited EXEs. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
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From psahores at free.fr  Tue Sep 29 13:46:36 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:46:36 +0200
Subject: SQLite substr strangeness
In-Reply-To: <7D427EEE-8593-4DB9-BB83-39AE16E9DD7B@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <7D427EEE-8593-4DB9-BB83-39AE16E9DD7B@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <703E134E-54AF-4498-B121-9B623E3DF5E0@free.fr>

Did you try in urlencoding/urldecoding the parts of your request  
containting multiple words separated by spaces ?

Best,

Le 29 sept. 09 ? 18:37, Peter Haworth a ?crit :

> Posted this on the forum recently but had no ideas.  Anyone else  
> come across this?
>
> Something weird going on with a SELECT statement that includes a  
> substr function.
>
> This statement yields the ubiquitous "SQL error or missing database"  
> rev error:
>
> SELECT AccountID,substr(AccountName,12) FROM AccountHdr WHERE  
> AccountType='Asset' AND substr(AccountName,1,11)='Receivable:' AND  
> Hidden =0 ORDER BY AccountName
>
> The exact same statement (copied and pasted) in the Firefox SQLite  
> Manager plug in works fine and produces the correct results.
>
> Trial and error shows that the following works:
>
> SELECT AccountID,AccountName FROM AccountHdr WHERE  
> AccountType='Asset' AND substr(AccountName,1,11)='Receivable:' AND  
> Hidden =0 ORDER BY AccountName
>
> So something about the substr function in the SELECT appears to be  
> the problem. I'm using revDataFromQuery to execute the SELECT.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> As an aside, why does rev not return specific SQLite error messages?
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Sep 29 13:59:26 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:59:26 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <20090929170005.0E70548AD47@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090929170005.0E70548AD47@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <931B6082-29BA-4B8F-BF62-FB189D4CD3B6@derbrill.de>

Hi Klaus,

this happens when a stack was saved in revMedia 4. (Just tried it and  
reproduced it) Any chance that the studio guy used media to save the  
stack?

Cheers,

Malte


From gfioravantirev at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 14:02:03 2009
From: gfioravantirev at gmail.com (Grace Fioravanti)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:02:03 -0700
Subject: cURL question (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <4AC179B2.9060505@pdslabs.net>
References: <b8ecc7300909281935h658cf555h9f548e7abd55b788@mail.gmail.com>
	<9809B500-770D-417D-B5AF-1C6663BC8F87@yahoo.com>
	<4AC179B2.9060505@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <b8ecc7300909291102kccd8044uffbc766ced06b8a5@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you!!! :)

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>
>
> Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> I believe you need to look in the Rev dictionary under
>> "hide console" or "hideconsole"
>> it is something like 'set the hideconsole to true'
>>
>>
>>
>>  Jim
>> On Sep 28, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Grace Fioravanti wrote:
>>
>>  I'm running a cURL command in Rev, but every time the process is opened,
>>> a
>>> command window opens and closes.  This only occurs in the Windows
>>> version.
>>> Is there a way to open a process without seeing this window?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>> Jim Ault
>> jimaultwins at yahoo.com
>>
>
> --
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>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Sep 29 14:02:06 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:02:06 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <20090929170005.0E70548AD47@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090929170005.0E70548AD47@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <038E92EF-BA61-4E47-9B25-063468672DC5@derbrill.de>

Follow up.

Re saved my test stack in enterprise and it loads in the standalone.  
So this seems reasonable, as colaboration would still be possible.  
There would need to be a licensed copy of rev to deploy to a form of  
standalone, which IMHO makes sense. Neat, neat. :-D

Cheers,

Malte


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep 29 14:11:28 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:11:28 +0200
Subject: stack cannot be loaded into standalone edition! WTF???
In-Reply-To: <931B6082-29BA-4B8F-BF62-FB189D4CD3B6@derbrill.de>
References: <20090929170005.0E70548AD47@mail.runrev.com>
	<931B6082-29BA-4B8F-BF62-FB189D4CD3B6@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1466D9BA-16A4-4FED-8484-0560B51A8B3E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Malte,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> this happens when a stack was saved in revMedia 4. (Just tried it  
> and reproduced it)

AHA! Thanks for checking this!

> Any chance that the studio guy used media to save the stack?

Obviously, I will give him a little spanking :-D

> Cheers,
>
> Malte

Best

Klaus

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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 14:30:25 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:30:25 +0100
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/29 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

>
> Still, it would be nice to have a bevel effect in the engine (along with
> gradients for objects other than just graphics, and few other things like
> Malte's blur suggestion).
>

I have thought of using graphic objects instead of buttons - but not delved
into the issues.

So as a provocation to gurus out there: what would we miss if we never used
buttons again and just scripted graphic objects with paint effects and
behaviors?

Apart from icons that is - and as I can't really imagine using icons AND
graphic effects together - lets keep them out of the "picture" :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 14:33:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:33:08 +0300
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>
	<c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC252E4.7040600@gmail.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> 2009/9/29 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>
>   
>> Still, it would be nice to have a bevel effect in the engine (along with
>> gradients for objects other than just graphics, and few other things like
>> Malte's blur suggestion).
>>
>>     
>
> I have thought of using graphic objects instead of buttons - but not delved
> into the issues.
>
> So as a provocation to gurus out there: what would we miss if we never used
> buttons again and just scripted graphic objects with paint effects and
> behaviors?
>
> Apart from icons that is - and as I can't really imagine using icons AND
> graphic effects together - lets keep them out of the "picture" :)
> _______________________________________________
>   
I'm not sure how you bung text into a graphic object.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 29 15:24:31 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:24:31 -0700
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
Message-ID: <4AC25EEF.8080604@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> So as a provocation to gurus out there: what would we miss if we never used
> buttons again and just scripted graphic objects with paint effects and
> behaviors?

Your time, in recreating all of the properties and behaviors buttons 
already have natively.

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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Sep 29 15:30:57 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <4AC252E4.7040600@gmail.com>
References: <4AC1F89E.1020908@gmail.com> <4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>
	<c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC252E4.7040600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>


Richmond,

how about:

   set the label of graphic 1 to "SomeText"
   set the textsize of graphic 1 to 18
   set the showName of graphic 1 to true
   set the textfont of graphic 1 to "Helvetica"

? 
Regards
Bernd



Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure how you bung text into a graphic object.

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 15:54:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:54:08 +0300
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4AC1F89E.1020908@gmail.com>
	<4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>	<c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC252E4.7040600@gmail.com>
	<25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>
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BNig wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> how about:
>
>    set the label of graphic 1 to "SomeText"
>    set the textsize of graphic 1 to 18
>    set the showName of graphic 1 to true
>    set the textfont of graphic 1 to "Helvetica"
>
> ? 
> Regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure how you bung text into a graphic object.
>>     
>
>   
Very Good Indeed! 

I had forgotten that Graphics could have labels.


From th.douez at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 16:03:39 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:03:39 +0200
Subject: the best picture of the IDE
Message-ID: <E23EC22B-0689-4EBA-B9B8-C5DA19FCC83A@gmail.com>

Hi,

Finishing slowly my slides for a presentation,
I'm looking for THE picture,
a nice one which shows the
Revolution IDE in his best suits....

Can someone share one or give me some links to existing one ?

Thanks
Thierry



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 16:06:58 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:06:58 +0300
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4AC1F89E.1020908@gmail.com>
	<4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>	<c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC252E4.7040600@gmail.com>
	<25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4AC268E2.30706@gmail.com>

BNig wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> how about:
>
>    set the label of graphic 1 to "SomeText"
>    set the textsize of graphic 1 to 18
>    set the showName of graphic 1 to true
>    set the textfont of graphic 1 to "Helvetica"
>
> ? 
> Regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure how you bung text into a graphic object.
>>     
>
>   
Of course something that would  help this a lot is
if  the properties palette were modified so that these
props could be set without resorting to a script.


From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Sep 29 16:21:31 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:21:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Radio buttons in a group set for background behavior
Message-ID: <25670173.post@talk.nabble.com>


I am using Rev 4 dp4. I grouped a set of controls including some Text Entry
Fields, a group of two radio buttons and an option menu. I set the group to
background behavior. I then placed the group as a background group on
another card. All of the information on the first card in the group appeared
on the second card. But when I click on the second radio button in the group
on the first card and then went to the second card the selected radio button
did not changed! What am I missing here?
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From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Sep 29 16:25:40 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting option button from another option button
In-Reply-To: <d1b.490c9502.37f2ecee@aol.com>
References: <25656397.post@talk.nabble.com> <d1b.490c9502.37f2ecee@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25670258.post@talk.nabble.com>


DunbarX

Thanks for your suggestion! I decided to make the option button and the
other fields that go with it a group and then them placed them on the other
card using background behavior. The Option button works fine but the
selection of radio buttons for some reason is not working on the second card
as it should to reflect the selection on the first card! I have posted this
problem as a separate subject on the RevList.



dunbarx wrote:
> 
> Check out the "menuHistory" property, If I understand what you want 
> correctly, you can get this property on one button and then set it on the
> other.
> 
> Craig Newman
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From kkaufman at snet.net  Tue Sep 29 16:47:48 2009
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:47:48 -0400
Subject: OT-Interesting article on new QuickTime on Mac 10.6
Message-ID: <13D7B5D7-EE75-487F-B4D4-0B21E4B5ACA0@snet.net>

Just when we thought that using QT was complicated enough:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6

Now I know why Quicktime Player X has such limited editing capabilities!


From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 17:01:42 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:01:42 EDT
Subject: Radio buttons in a group set for background behavior
Message-ID: <ce3.58480a4f.37f3cfb6@aol.com>

As in HC, there is a property called the   "sharedhilite" that determnes 
whether the hilited button is unique to a card, or shared among all cards.

You need to set this for the behavior you want. it has nothing to do with 
background behavior or groups.

Craig Newman


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 29 17:04:58 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:04:58 -0700
Subject: OT-Interesting article on new QuickTime on Mac 10.6
In-Reply-To: <13D7B5D7-EE75-487F-B4D4-0B21E4B5ACA0@snet.net>
References: <13D7B5D7-EE75-487F-B4D4-0B21E4B5ACA0@snet.net>
Message-ID: <125584961546.20090929140458@ahsoftware.net>

Kurt-

Thanks. That explains a *lot*.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From katir at hindu.org  Tue Sep 29 17:35:04 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:35:04 -1000
Subject: OT: Disney Announces Ebook Launch
Message-ID: <4AC27D88.9010704@hindu.org>

Big news today here in our world:

http://disneydigitalbooks.go.com/?cmp=ddb_hp_redirect_extl

Confirms many people's predictions that the small device of the future 
is still a machine with a full OS, at least powerful enough to run a 
browser.

RevLets are poised to be able to do things like this. Just wish we had 
some of the cool graphics like page turning... the corner of the page 
even curls up or over as you move...I wonder how that is done....

Of course this isn't really new..

http://www.readinglogs.com/

has been around a while.

We just need Disney's web dev budget

Sivakatirswami





From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 29 17:50:44 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:50:44 -1000
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <0C688B3E-04C1-4070-869C-3AED3607D093@snowcamp.org>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>	<005601ca40b6$019b2210$04d16630$@com>	<005701ca40b7$014d33b0$03e79b10$@com>	<7DC99998-A48C-40E1-B5D8-536727DED8B5@snowcamp.org>	<005801ca40c0$42595650$c70c02f0$@com>
	<0C688B3E-04C1-4070-869C-3AED3607D093@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <007201ca414e$e6194230$b24bc690$@com>

Mike Arnold wrote:

> > on InitAll
> >    delete global gMailBoxCountA
> >    delete global gMailBoxTimeA
> >    delete global gMinTimeDiff
> >    delete global gTimeStamp
> >    set the twelveHourTime to false
> >    put "" into field "myFilterList"
> >    put "Filter Report Starting..."&&linefeed after last line of
> > field "myFilterList"
> > end InitAll
> 
> 
> So, I clicked and selected every include listed ... and still no joy.
> 
> I have other stacks from the past that seem to work.  Note that I
> tried this with Studio 2.9.0 Build 610, and the standalone acts the
> same (i.e. no window).
> 
> I really didn't do anything special to the environment (that I can
> recall doing :-)
> 
> Note that I am running on a MacBookPro and have an external screen,
> wonder if that is making RR crazy?
> 
> I know its something silly,
> Mike.

This has me puzzled because you say it runs in the IDE and there doesn't
seem to be almost any code. Anyone else with OSX 10.5.8 Intel with 4.0 dp-4
run into anything like this, or see something in what Mike has said that
maybe I have missed picking up on? I'd suggest you send me the stack
off-list, but I cannot test it on the same OS.

The only other thing I can suggest, Mike, is in your standalone settings,
make sure bug reporting is enabled by going to Bug Reports and checking the
boxes and see if you get a bug report. If no report, comment out your
commands and see if the stack shows. Or, create a new stack and copy your
code into it. Something very strange has to be happening or very obvious
that's being missed. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From rman at free.fr  Tue Sep 29 18:10:44 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: Disney Announces Ebook Launch
In-Reply-To: <4AC27D88.9010704@hindu.org>
References: <4AC27D88.9010704@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <25671816.post@talk.nabble.com>


Disney invested house the squeak adventure and lately developped the scratch
programing environment for kids.. Personnaly I nearly chose squeak but found
the language and potential for delivering apps not so good. But i'ts a great
environment... and I seem to recognize the look and feel of a squeak thing
on the video.

The interesting things on the video is technically speaking the page turn,
it looks really nice indeed! I noted that the page curls takes into account
the position of the "thumb" (up, middle, down).

And then, whouaouu. ;what power they have these folks with all their content
and image ... !! 

thanks for the link, Robert


Sivakatirswami wrote:
> 
> Big news today here in our world:
> 
> http://disneydigitalbooks.go.com/?cmp=ddb_hp_redirect_extl
> 
> Confirms many people's predictions that the small device of the future 
> is still a machine with a full OS, at least powerful enough to run a 
> browser.
> 
> RevLets are poised to be able to do things like this. Just wish we had 
> some of the cool graphics like page turning... the corner of the page 
> even curls up or over as you move...I wonder how that is done....
> 
> Of course this isn't really new..
> 
> http://www.readinglogs.com/
> 
> has been around a while.
> 
> We just need Disney's web dev budget
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> 
> 
> 
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From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Sep 29 20:10:57 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Radio buttons in a group set for background behavior
In-Reply-To: <ce3.58480a4f.37f3cfb6@aol.com>
References: <25670173.post@talk.nabble.com> <ce3.58480a4f.37f3cfb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25673028.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Craig,

I checked both the radio group and the group that includes the radio button
group and did not find any sharehilite property for either group.



dunbarx wrote:
> 
> As in HC, there is a property called the   "sharedhilite" that determnes 
> whether the hilited button is unique to a card, or shared among all cards.
> 
> You need to set this for the behavior you want. it has nothing to do with 
> background behavior or groups.
> 
> Craig Newman
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 20:14:15 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:14:15 +1000
Subject: Radio buttons in a group set for background behavior
In-Reply-To: <25673028.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25670173.post@talk.nabble.com> <ce3.58480a4f.37f3cfb6@aol.com>
	<25673028.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909291714i6c543318p836d6ba57234a347@mail.gmail.com>

> I checked both the radio group and the group that includes the radio button
> group and did not find any sharehilite property for either group.

It's a property of the individual buttons.

Cheers,
Sarah


From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Sep 29 20:31:22 2009
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:31:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Radio buttons in a group set for background behavior
In-Reply-To: <25670173.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25670173.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25673178.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Sarah,

Yes I found the shared hilite property in the individual buttons. I set both
of them and the radio group of buttons now work correctly.  Thanks Craig and
Sarah!



Charles Szasz wrote:
> 
> I am using Rev 4 dp4. I grouped a set of controls including some Text
> Entry Fields, a group of two radio buttons and an option menu. I set the
> group to background behavior. I then placed the group as a background
> group on another card. All of the information on the first card in the
> group appeared on the second card. But when I click on the second radio
> button in the group on the first card and then went to the second card the
> selected radio button did not changed! What am I missing here?
> 

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 20:33:59 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:33:59 +1000
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860909291733w3b00cdf8l1625d063a86ab83d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Mike Arnold <ma at snowcamp.org> wrote:
> Ok, finally back at Revolution, glad to be back, it really is fun. ?Using
> Revolution Enterprise 4.0.0-dp-4 Build 910 on Max OS/X 10.5.8, Intel.
>
> Writing a little app to produce a Eudora -ike Filter Report for Apple Mail.
> ?I hate to give up Eudora, but Apple is adding more and more native,
> integrated function and Eudora proper is no more and becoming more
> incompatible. Growl doesn't quite do what I want.
>
> When mail is acted on via a rule, it invokes an applescript that sends a
> message to the stack that indicates the destination mailbox. ?The stack has
> a script that wakes up every 20 seconds to check if its been at least 20
> seconds since the last message was filtered and if there are any updated
> mailboxes.
>
> This all works fine when under the development environment, but when I
> generate a standalone application, the window doesn't appear anywhere. ?The
> application starts and has its application menu, but no stack window.
>
> Only the stack script has any code ... ?there are a few functions and
> message handlers (one called from applescript) and the following:
>
> on startup
> ? InitAll
> ? repeat
> ? ? ?wait for 20 seconds with messages
> ? ? ?CheckCounts ? ? ?--decides if/when to print the list of affected
> mailboxes
> ? end repeat
> end startup


Coming a bit late to this discussion, but the main difference between
a standalone & a stack running in the IDE, is that the IDE will never
trigger the startup message, but a standalone will. So I suggest
loading the stack into the IDE and triggering "startup" in the Message
Box. I bet that will give an error and you will be able to fix it
then.

Another general technique for debugging standalones is the change the
standalone settings to include debugging. I like the set it to email
me. When an error occurs, I tell it to email the details and then I
can read the error report in the new email message. I don;t actually
have to send the email, but i gives me an easy way to read it.

Cheers,
Sarah


From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue Sep 29 20:41:24 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:41:24 -0700
Subject: Radio buttons in a group set for background behavior
In-Reply-To: <25673178.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25670173.post@talk.nabble.com> <25673178.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B344C176-B988-4F47-BE57-2B5FCF72CEA7@cox.net>

You know, Rev would be virtually unusable if it weren't for the  
guidance and assistance of this list. Thanks to all of you.

I think some kind of bonus system should be initiated so that  
contributors acquire points they can redeem when renewing their  
licenses. Or some method of awarding Kudos. I know I'm asking a lot.  
But the listers are giving a lot.

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> Yes I found the shared hilite property in the individual buttons. I  
> set both
> of them and the radio group of buttons now work correctly.  Thanks  
> Craig and
> Sarah!
>
>
>
> Charles Szasz wrote:
>>
>> I am using Rev 4 dp4. I grouped a set of controls including some Text
>> Entry Fields, a group of two radio buttons and an option menu. I  
>> set the
>> group to background behavior. I then placed the group as a background
>> group on another card. All of the information on the first card in  
>> the
>> group appeared on the second card. But when I click on the second  
>> radio
>> button in the group on the first card and then went to the second  
>> card the
>> selected radio button did not changed! What am I missing here?
>>
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue Sep 29 20:45:21 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:45:21 -1000
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860909291733w3b00cdf8l1625d063a86ab83d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
	<f99b52860909291733w3b00cdf8l1625d063a86ab83d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01ca4167$4ad8ce80$e08a6b80$@com>

I have never used on startup except for CGI scripts. I now know that,
besides habit, there is a good reason why not to. ;-) Thanks Sarah!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Reichelt
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:34 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Mike Arnold <ma at snowcamp.org> wrote:
> > Ok, finally back at Revolution, glad to be back, it really is fun.
> ?Using
> > Revolution Enterprise 4.0.0-dp-4 Build 910 on Max OS/X 10.5.8, Intel.
> >
> > Writing a little app to produce a Eudora -ike Filter Report for Apple
> Mail.
> > ?I hate to give up Eudora, but Apple is adding more and more native,
> > integrated function and Eudora proper is no more and becoming more
> > incompatible. Growl doesn't quite do what I want.
> >
> > When mail is acted on via a rule, it invokes an applescript that
> sends a
> > message to the stack that indicates the destination mailbox. ?The
> stack has
> > a script that wakes up every 20 seconds to check if its been at least
> 20
> > seconds since the last message was filtered and if there are any
> updated
> > mailboxes.
> >
> > This all works fine when under the development environment, but when
> I
> > generate a standalone application, the window doesn't appear
> anywhere. ?The
> > application starts and has its application menu, but no stack window.
> >
> > Only the stack script has any code ... ?there are a few functions and
> > message handlers (one called from applescript) and the following:
> >
> > on startup
> > ? InitAll
> > ? repeat
> > ? ? ?wait for 20 seconds with messages
> > ? ? ?CheckCounts ? ? ?--decides if/when to print the list of affected
> > mailboxes
> > ? end repeat
> > end startup
> 
> 
> Coming a bit late to this discussion, but the main difference between
> a standalone & a stack running in the IDE, is that the IDE will never
> trigger the startup message, but a standalone will. So I suggest
> loading the stack into the IDE and triggering "startup" in the Message
> Box. I bet that will give an error and you will be able to fix it
> then.
> 
> Another general technique for debugging standalones is the change the
> standalone settings to include debugging. I like the set it to email
> me. When an error occurs, I tell it to email the details and then I
> can read the error report in the new email message. I don;t actually
> have to send the email, but i gives me an easy way to read it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From tereza at califex.com  Tue Sep 29 21:10:46 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:10:46 -0500
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <BC2DA925-1A91-4361-88F0-22DD66CA2629@califex.com>


On Sep 28, 2009, at 9:13 PM, Mike Arnold wrote:

> Only the stack script has any code ...  there are a few functions  
> and message handlers (one called from applescript) and the following:
>
> on startup
>   InitAll
>   repeat
>      wait for 20 seconds with messages
>      CheckCounts      --decides if/when to print the list of  
> affected mailboxes
>   end repeat
> end startup
>
> Any ideas what I have done wrong?  Do I need to do something else to  
> get the window to appear?

It looks like you're hung up in the startup handler which is sent  
before the first window opens; the rest of the usual messages  
(preopenstack, openstack, preopencard, opencard?) aren't sent. Take  
that loop out of on startup and put it in its own handler, then call  
it with a "send in time".

HTH,

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Sep 29 21:49:00 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:49:00 -0700
Subject: possible valuable tip for improving Quicktime playback in Vista -
	please test if you have time
Message-ID: <60360308-19AA-4B74-8F3F-A6CC87133423@dvcreators.net>

This tip is for slower computers running Vista, like older or cheaper  
models.


1. Download or encode a 640 x 360 H.264 movie, or, go to:

http://dvcreators.net/media/misc/test/

and right click "san_fran_trolly.mov" and save to disk.


2. Play it in Quicktime Player in Vista on a cheap netbook. Plays  
pretty good, close to or at 30 fps.


3. Put a player object on a Rev card, (and maybe a button to set the  
fileName, and alwaysBuffer), and make a standalone.


4. Load the same movie in. Playback is awful, a lot of skipped frames.  
Alwaysbuffer true, false, doesn't make much difference.


5. Now, quit the standalone, right-click it, and under "Compatibility  
mode", check the box and choose "Windows XP (Service Pack 2) from the  
option menu.


6. Load the standalone again and voila! Smooth (or much improved)  
playback.



My guess is that Quicktime Player is preset to an XP compatibility  
mode? Or uses a different method to play Quicktime movies than  
Revolution on Vista?

I'm not sure what's happening, but if you have clients with cheap,  
slow Windows computers and you are delivering H.264 .mp4 or .mov video  
to them, this will save you!


From ma at snowcamp.org  Tue Sep 29 22:53:08 2009
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:53:08 -0400
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <BC2DA925-1A91-4361-88F0-22DD66CA2629@califex.com>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
	<BC2DA925-1A91-4361-88F0-22DD66CA2629@califex.com>
Message-ID: <6FBE346C-5278-4BA0-A445-9100BFC6A4AE@snowcamp.org>

Tereza,

That is it exactly.  I discovered it just before I looked back at the  
discussion list.  I started out by taking everything out, then adding  
things back a little at a time, the repeat never ended (as I intend)  
but as you pointed out that means it doesn't return to allow the  
window to be opened.  That is why the preOpenStack isn't issued, then  
the stack window is not opened and therefore the openStack is never  
issued.

I am not sure how I came up with startup, but when I take the loop out  
of it, the window appears as I would expect.

Is there a documented message order for things like application  
startup/exit, window open/close, etc?

Must I allow the openStack to return (as you have suggested with send  
in time) or can I just put the loop in openStack, i.e. will this loop  
also stop-up the message pipeline in some way?

Shew, thanks so much for everyone's help!!
Mike.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 00:57:38 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:57:38 +0800
Subject: OT: Disney Announces Ebook Launch
In-Reply-To: <4AC27D88.9010704@hindu.org>
References: <4AC27D88.9010704@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f73a98160909292157w7eebce7dre1f28631f796dc4f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

>
> RevLets are poised to be able to do things like this. Just wish we had some
> of the cool graphics like page turning... the corner of the page even curls
> up or over as you move...I wonder how that is done....
>
> Personally, and what would I know - I would have shot and killed the
Teletubbies, that page turning graphic is nothing compared to the wonders of
Broderbund's LivingBooks. It's seems to me that Disney have taken the
animation away (how ironic) and added a dictionary. Our children have grown
up but we have kept the LivingBooks for when the grandchildren arrive. The
only way I'd throw them out is if Disney (or other) were to bring their deep
pockets and technical wizardy to create the 2nd generation of LivingBooks.

Slightly On Topic, the animations of LivingBooks is rather basic. I'm sure
the talented Scott Rossi would be able to easily do an equavilent with Rev.
I concede though, that kids the way they are, these days a little more
sophistication is needed, which is why I wonder why Disney stuck with static
pages when it clearly has the funds and know how to take it too the next
level.


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep 30 01:57:37 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:57:37 -0700
Subject: possible valuable tip for improving Quicktime playback in Vista
 -	please test if you have time
In-Reply-To: <60360308-19AA-4B74-8F3F-A6CC87133423@dvcreators.net>
References: <60360308-19AA-4B74-8F3F-A6CC87133423@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <4AC2F351.9080005@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Josh - this is good info. It's going into my notes.
Phil Davis


Josh Mellicker wrote:
> This tip is for slower computers running Vista, like older or cheaper 
> models.
>
>
> 1. Download or encode a 640 x 360 H.264 movie, or, go to:
>
> http://dvcreators.net/media/misc/test/
>
> and right click "san_fran_trolly.mov" and save to disk.
>
>
> 2. Play it in Quicktime Player in Vista on a cheap netbook. Plays 
> pretty good, close to or at 30 fps.
>
>
> 3. Put a player object on a Rev card, (and maybe a button to set the 
> fileName, and alwaysBuffer), and make a standalone.
>
>
> 4. Load the same movie in. Playback is awful, a lot of skipped frames. 
> Alwaysbuffer true, false, doesn't make much difference.
>
>
> 5. Now, quit the standalone, right-click it, and under "Compatibility 
> mode", check the box and choose "Windows XP (Service Pack 2) from the 
> option menu.
>
>
> 6. Load the standalone again and voila! Smooth (or much improved) 
> playback.
>
>
>
> My guess is that Quicktime Player is preset to an XP compatibility 
> mode? Or uses a different method to play Quicktime movies than 
> Revolution on Vista?
>
> I'm not sure what's happening, but if you have clients with cheap, 
> slow Windows computers and you are delivering H.264 .mp4 or .mov video 
> to them, this will save you!
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep 30 03:48:47 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:48:47 +0200
Subject: OT-Interesting article on new QuickTime on Mac 10.6
In-Reply-To: <13D7B5D7-EE75-487F-B4D4-0B21E4B5ACA0@snet.net>
References: <13D7B5D7-EE75-487F-B4D4-0B21E4B5ACA0@snet.net>
Message-ID: <4645C337-7555-4612-A6BD-275E22F0A295@numericable.com>

Very interesting, thank you Kurt
Bons souvenirs de Paris
Ren?

Le 29 sept. 09 ? 22:47, Kurt Kaufman a ?crit :

> Just when we thought that using QT was complicated enough:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6
>
> Now I know why Quicktime Player X has such limited editing  
> capabilities!
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 04:21:10 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:21:10 +0300
Subject: BEVEL created solely in RunRev 4
In-Reply-To: <25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4AC1F89E.1020908@gmail.com>
	<4AC213E0.2040708@fourthworld.com>	<c1c5836b0909291130r18b20ed5s6c8812cbec587b8f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC252E4.7040600@gmail.com>
	<25669398.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4AC314F6.6030300@gmail.com>

BNig wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> how about:
>
>    set the label of graphic 1 to "SomeText"
>    set the textsize of graphic 1 to 18
>    set the showName of graphic 1 to true
>    set the textfont of graphic 1 to "Helvetica"
>
> ? 
> Regards
> Bernd
>
>   
Download this:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/XPROPS.rev.zip

and pop it in your plug-ins folder: not rocket science,
but it will let you set the LABEL and the SHOWNAME of
a GRAPHIC OBJECT; the other parameters can easily be
set through the standard Props palette.

It will just have to suffice until the good folks at
RunRev modify the Props Palette . . . .   :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 04:24:31 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:24:31 +0300
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
Message-ID: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>

And what did I see?

In Bulgaria, surprise, surprise, an Intel iMac
for the princely sum of ?1100.

What benefits will accrue from my buying it
that I don't enjoy with my G4 Dual processor
monster?

I could, at a pinch, manage it; although the
'pinch' may come from my wife rather than
my wallet . . .  :)

Before anybody mentions speed; that really
doesn't fuss me.


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Sep 30 06:17:46 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:17:46 +0100
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F03CD003-09EC-463A-AF3A-C28E5511C566@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 30 Sep 2009, at 09:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> What benefits will accrue from my buying it
> that I don't enjoy with my G4 Dual processor
> monster?

Fewer cables. Well one fewer at least. It makes it much easier to move  
when you need to do the annual clean behind the desk. Well worth it  
for that alone.

Cheers
Dave


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 06:23:48 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:23:48 +0300
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <F03CD003-09EC-463A-AF3A-C28E5511C566@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
	<F03CD003-09EC-463A-AF3A-C28E5511C566@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC331B4.30506@gmail.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> On 30 Sep 2009, at 09:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> What benefits will accrue from my buying it
>> that I don't enjoy with my G4 Dual processor
>> monster?
>
> Fewer cables. Well one fewer at least. 
I managed that problem about 9 years ago when I bought an iMac G3
(it still does trojan service in my language school).
> It makes it much easier to move when you need to do the annual clean 
> behind the desk. Well worth it for that alone.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
"annual clean behind the desk" ???? What on earth is that?    :)

[Joking apart; recently my older son found a starving kitten by
the bus-stop, and she is now an extremely well-fed member of
our household, but she seems to think that the best place to go
to the loo is right behind my G4 Mac, so, strangely enough, I
have cleaned behind there 6 six time in as many weeks.]

filthily yours, Richmond Mathewson.


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Sep 30 06:56:26 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:56:26 +0200
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17BA73B9-56A1-4BB1-B6B5-0483C2C5BAA1@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 30 sept. 09 ? 10:24, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

<snip>

>
> Before anybody mentions speed; that really
> doesn't fuss me.
> _______________________________________________

most things a computer does can be done with paper and (maybe  
colored) pencils.
In my early years of college, numerical computations were done with a  
book of logarithmic & trigonometric tables.
On sale here:
http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/196459/Bouvart-Table-De- 
Logarithmes-Sans-Formules-Jaune-Livre.html
used: up from 0.90?
new: up from 7.68?
(can be easily used by non french speaking persons).

Cut and paste in my PhD dissertation were implemented with actual  
scissors and glue.
I have to confess that I used a copier to implement the "copy" part.

Kind regards,
	Fran?ois



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 07:18:55 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:18:55 +0300
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <17BA73B9-56A1-4BB1-B6B5-0483C2C5BAA1@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
	<17BA73B9-56A1-4BB1-B6B5-0483C2C5BAA1@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <4AC33E9F.3030303@gmail.com>

Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
> Le 30 sept. 09 ? 10:24, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> Before anybody mentions speed; that really
>> doesn't fuss me.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> most things a computer does can be done with paper and (maybe colored) 
> pencils.
> In my early years of college, numerical computations were done with a 
> book of logarithmic & trigonometric tables.
> On sale here:
> http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/196459/Bouvart-Table-De-Logarithmes-Sans-Formules-Jaune-Livre.html 
>
> used: up from 0.90?
> new: up from 7.68?
> (can be easily used by non french speaking persons).
>
> Cut and paste in my PhD dissertation were implemented with actual 
> scissors and glue.
> I have to confess that I used a copier to implement the "copy" part.
>
> Kind regards,
>     Fran?ois
>
> _______________________________________________
I was recently in Scotland (attending the RunRev conference) and popped 
into a
house my wife and I own up there: in the attic I was very glad to find 
my English
sliderule (having had to 'do' with a Russian one for the last 4 years) 
lurking there!

I really cannot be bothered with super-fast computers as they don't give 
ME time
to think or gulp coffee between doing all sorts of horrible things 
outwith my
control. I want a compuer that serve me, and not a computer that requires me
to serve it!


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Sep 30 07:23:15 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:23:15 +0200
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <4AC33E9F.3030303@gmail.com>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
	<17BA73B9-56A1-4BB1-B6B5-0483C2C5BAA1@mines-paristech.fr>
	<4AC33E9F.3030303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2EB0142-ABE3-4193-9050-06A4E828B6E9@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 30 sept. 09 ? 13:18, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
> I was recently in Scotland (attending the RunRev conference) and  
> popped into a
> house my wife and I own up there: in the attic I was very glad to  
> find my English
> sliderule (having had to 'do' with a Russian one for the last 4  
> years) lurking there!
>
yes, I too had two sliderules: a small one for approximately  
approximate calculations, and a large one for precisely approximate  
calculations ;-)

best
	Fran?ois



From tereza at califex.com  Wed Sep 30 09:36:42 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:36:42 -0500
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window?
In-Reply-To: <6FBE346C-5278-4BA0-A445-9100BFC6A4AE@snowcamp.org>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
	<BC2DA925-1A91-4361-88F0-22DD66CA2629@califex.com>
	<6FBE346C-5278-4BA0-A445-9100BFC6A4AE@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <21854291-D18F-49DB-B6F1-1B8E2EEBCE33@califex.com>


On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Mike Arnold wrote:

> Tereza,
>
> That is it exactly.  I discovered it just before I looked back at  
> the discussion list.  I started out by taking everything out, then  
> adding things back a little at a time, the repeat never ended (as I  
> intend) but as you pointed out that means it doesn't return to allow  
> the window to be opened.  That is why the preOpenStack isn't issued,  
> then the stack window is not opened and therefore the openStack is  
> never issued.
>
> I am not sure how I came up with startup, but when I take the loop  
> out of it, the window appears as I would expect.
>
> Is there a documented message order for things like application  
> startup/exit, window open/close, etc?
>
> Must I allow the openStack to return (as you have suggested with  
> send in time) or can I just put the loop in openStack, i.e. will  
> this loop also stop-up the message pipeline in some way?

I wouldn't recommend putting the repeat loop in any handler of a  
RunRev message. I imagine there's a dispatcher in the engine awaiting  
a return, a situation that could get its feet tangled later. I often  
find that if I put  heavy-duty application-specific code in a (pre) 
opencard or (pre)openstack handler I let myself in for difficult  
debugging sessions later. The approach:


on opencard
     send "doTheWorst" to me in 0 milliseconds
end opencard

works for me.

I believe the Amazing Richard Gaskin has the definitive answer for you:

<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html 
 >


t




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From tereza at califex.com  Wed Sep 30 09:42:51 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:42:51 -0500
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window? oops,
	wrong recommendation
In-Reply-To: <21854291-D18F-49DB-B6F1-1B8E2EEBCE33@califex.com>
References: <70D0E0B2-BDBF-4178-AAB0-54B12875EC1D@snowcamp.org>
	<BC2DA925-1A91-4361-88F0-22DD66CA2629@califex.com>
	<6FBE346C-5278-4BA0-A445-9100BFC6A4AE@snowcamp.org>
	<21854291-D18F-49DB-B6F1-1B8E2EEBCE33@califex.com>
Message-ID: <E50139EA-AAEC-4F62-BDE9-D0F64F3AA456@califex.com>


On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>
> I believe the Amazing Richard Gaskin has the definitive answer for  
> you:
>
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html 
> >
>
>
> t
>

Actually, that's about the message path, not the message order.  
There's an article out there somewhere?


t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Wed Sep 30 09:52:05 2009
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:52:05 +0300
Subject: Windows specialFolderPath
Message-ID: <752EFF96-3215-4510-8550-3C0EBB6368DF@mac.com>

Quick question about specialFolderPaths in Windows;

  specialFolderPath 35 (XP) C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/ 
Application Data

  specialFolderPath 35 (Vista) C:/ProgramData

Is sfp 35 in Windows 7 the same as in Vista?

And this is probably as dumd as it sounds, but systemVersion 6 =  
Vista, can i assume that systemVersion 7 is Windows 7?

Cheers,

Lars




From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 30 10:03:13 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:03:13 -0300
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909300703x3d6d2e1dt6f801fdf044ce9dd@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond,
real reasons are the CPU is better (yes, I too like ppc better than x86 but
G4 is a tad old) and also a better graphics card.

Soon, your G4 machine will be phased out of support from apple, you're
already not able to run snow leopard, if you don't upgrade soon, you will be
stuck frozen with the latest ppc releases and will have no where to run.

For a lone user this might not be a problem but for one doing development
this is because your users will want to know if such and such runs on intel
machines and you might want to implement features not available in your ppc
mac os x.

I keep a G4 here for testing but I also have an intel machine.

Although since, I am able to predict the future by looking at strange foamy
patterns in my now empty glass of ovomaltine, I say: "hold your hands!", I
think a apple product line refresh will happen shortly and that it might
drive down the price of entry level machines.

Cheers
andre

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> And what did I see?
>
> In Bulgaria, surprise, surprise, an Intel iMac
> for the princely sum of ?1100.
>
> What benefits will accrue from my buying it
> that I don't enjoy with my G4 Dual processor
> monster?
>
> I could, at a pinch, manage it; although the
> 'pinch' may come from my wife rather than
> my wallet . . .  :)
>
> Before anybody mentions speed; that really
> doesn't fuss me.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 10:06:18 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:06:18 +0300
Subject: Faking Buttons with Graphics
Message-ID: <4AC365DA.7040102@gmail.com>

"I'd like you to know, I faked all my buttons."
                                         Leslie Nielsen, 'Naked Gun' 
misquoted.

Faking a Button with a Graphic allows you to have a 'Button'
in RunRev Beta 4 dp-4 with all the fillGradient possibilities
available to Graphic Objects but not to Buttons.

Download this:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/XPROPS.rev.zip

and pop it in your Plug-Ins folder.

It is a one-trick-pony that allows you to set the Label and
the ShowName of a selected Graphic Object (if you click
APPLY with nothing selected it will "throw a wobbly"):
i.e allow you to make 'Buttons' with text from Graphic
Objects without having to keep resorting to scripting.

The version now available is the "post-going-to-the-car-
mechanic-to-pay-for-the-repairs-on-my-15-year-old-Citreon-ZX"
rather than the "pre -blah-blah-blah" version posted earlier
today. . . .   :)


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 30 10:16:47 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:16:47 -0700
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window? oops,
	wrong recommendation
Message-ID: <4AC3684F.6010005@fourthworld.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:

>> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html 
> 
> Actually, that's about the message path, not the message order.  
> There's an article out there somewhere?

I'll see if I can get some time to make a companion article to the 
message path one about the order of messages.  In the meantime, I made a 
brief blog post which outlines the order for startup, opening, closing, 
and shutting down:

<http://revjournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1254319970.794593>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 10:39:24 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:39:24 +0300
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909300703x3d6d2e1dt6f801fdf044ce9dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10909300703x3d6d2e1dt6f801fdf044ce9dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC36D9C.2090600@gmail.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Richmond,
> real reasons are the CPU is better (yes, I too like ppc better than x86 but
> G4 is a tad old) and also a better graphics card.
>
> Soon, your G4 machine will be phased out of support from apple, you're
> already not able to run snow leopard, if you don't upgrade soon, you will be
> stuck frozen with the latest ppc releases and will have no where to run.
>
> For a lone user this might not be a problem but for one doing development
> this is because your users will want to know if such and such runs on intel
> machines and you might want to implement features not available in your ppc
> mac os x.
>
> I keep a G4 here for testing but I also have an intel machine.
>
> Although since, I am able to predict the future by looking at strange foamy
> patterns in my now empty glass of ovomaltine, 
It took me a minute to realise that "Ovomaltine" is what is marketed in 
Britain
as "Ovaltine":

http://www.ovomaltine.com/

Just thinking about the smell of the stuff makes me feel dusgusted: 
chacun a son gout
(sorry, Francophones, but when I tried a grave and a circonflex 
everything went into
Cyrillic), or, as my Granny used to say; "Tastes differ, as the old 
woman said when
she kissed the cow."

I am just sitting down with my 5th half-litre of good, strong, black 
coffee as it is already
5.30 pm here in Bulgaria.

> I say: "hold your hands!",
I think "Hold your horses" is more idiomatic . . .  :)
>  I
> think a apple product line refresh will happen shortly and that it might
> drive down the price of entry level machines.
>
>   
I really ought to plough on with my Sanskrit typewriter and then I might be
able to pay for a 'pinchless' computer. Frankly, feeling fairly frazzled 
as most
of the work on Beta 2 is incredibly mundane and repetitive with no obvious
way to automate things. I have to get on though, as will not allow myself an
'elastic-sided' GANTT chart.
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> And what did I see?
>>
>> In Bulgaria, surprise, surprise, an Intel iMac
>> for the princely sum of ?1100.
>>
>> What benefits will accrue from my buying it
>> that I don't enjoy with my G4 Dual processor
>> monster?
>>
>> I could, at a pinch, manage it; although the
>> 'pinch' may come from my wife rather than
>> my wallet . . .  :)
>>
>> Before anybody mentions speed; that really
>> doesn't fuss me.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>     
>
>
>   



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 10:42:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:42:54 +0300
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet #2
In-Reply-To: <48590D48-2715-42E1-BF6E-640B42ECD348@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>	<39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr>	<567CBBE3-AE98-4E89-95FE-9FD0CC9714E9@verizon.net>
	<48590D48-2715-42E1-BF6E-640B42ECD348@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <4AC36E6E.7080406@gmail.com>

http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/

Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
ubiquitous Flash.

We can all practise our Portugese as we
go along (well, Andre may not need to) . . .  :)


From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Wed Sep 30 10:43:25 2009
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:43:25 +0200
Subject: Q: Can I use only a part of an Image File and do stuff with it ?
Message-ID: <2C865BFC-580B-4760-8323-393C5C250A0B@id.uzh.ch>

For instance I have an imported Image file (png) 10 pixels high and  
100 pixels long.

 From pixel 1 to 10 ist Picture_one, from pixel 11 to 20 is Picture  
_two etc.

Can I the display those 2 respectively 10 pictures individually ?

Cheers
Rolf


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 11:06:45 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:06:45 +0100
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet #2
In-Reply-To: <4AC36E6E.7080406@gmail.com>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
	<39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr>
	<567CBBE3-AE98-4E89-95FE-9FD0CC9714E9@verizon.net>
	<48590D48-2715-42E1-BF6E-640B42ECD348@mines-paristech.fr>
	<4AC36E6E.7080406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0909300806i178286dfq458eb8c7f7c9446d@mail.gmail.com>

I used to produce a load of these things for brands back in my agency days -
got thoroughly sick of the gimmickry. Much more interesting now that it is
about community building - but Flashverts like those remind me of what not
to do ever again :)

2009/9/30 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
>
> Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
> ubiquitous Flash.
>
> We can all practise our Portugese as we
> go along (well, Andre may not need to) . . .  :)
>


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Wed Sep 30 14:09:34 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:09:34 -0700
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <2C865BFC-580B-4760-8323-393C5C250A0B@id.uzh.ch>
References: <2C865BFC-580B-4760-8323-393C5C250A0B@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <0A523CC8-4562-4DF1-BF20-9CFB43EFA5DC@LinkIt.Com>

I'm moving from Metacard's IDE to Rev's and wanting to customize  
keyboard shortcuts.  For example, how would I setup the Rev IDE so  
command-option-S opens the current stack's script, or command-D opens  
steps through a script in the debugger stack?  I've also noticed that  
command-1, 2, 3, and 4 don't work in my stack so I'd like to remove  
these shortcuts from the View menu in Rev's IDE so my own traps catch  
them.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 11:13:05 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:13:05 +0300
Subject: Q: Can I use only a part of an Image File and do stuff with it ?
In-Reply-To: <2C865BFC-580B-4760-8323-393C5C250A0B@id.uzh.ch>
References: <2C865BFC-580B-4760-8323-393C5C250A0B@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <4AC37581.1020105@gmail.com>

Rolf Kocherhans wrote:
> For instance I have an imported Image file (png) 10 pixels high and 
> 100 pixels long.
>
> From pixel 1 to 10 ist Picture_one, from pixel 11 to 20 is Picture 
> _two etc.
>
> Can I the display those 2 respectively 10 pictures individually ?
>
> Cheers
> Rolf
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
If you look up 'pixel' in the Documentation you will find that this 
cannot be done.

However, you could chop up your image by importing snapshots of parts of it:

on mouseUp
   import snapshot from rectangle 0,0,300,454 of img "iXYZ"
   move the last img to 512, 600
   delete img "iXYZ"
end mouseUp


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 30 11:13:33 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:13:33 -0300
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet #2
In-Reply-To: <4AC36E6E.7080406@gmail.com>
References: <4ABBA5A0.5050406@fourthworld.com>
	<39A6225D-6E20-4195-BFCA-AC5AAE906F34@mines-paristech.fr> 
	<567CBBE3-AE98-4E89-95FE-9FD0CC9714E9@verizon.net>
	<48590D48-2715-42E1-BF6E-640B42ECD348@mines-paristech.fr> 
	<4AC36E6E.7080406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909300813x349165f2o712e1fbd0983602a@mail.gmail.com>

Oh boy, I do love the product but the web site is dead horrible!
Argh!!! And they get good money for that kind of crap here...

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
>
> Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
> ubiquitous Flash.
>
> We can all practise our Portugese as we
> go along (well, Andre may not need to) . . .  :)
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 11:15:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:15:47 +0300
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <0A523CC8-4562-4DF1-BF20-9CFB43EFA5DC@LinkIt.Com>
References: <2C865BFC-580B-4760-8323-393C5C250A0B@id.uzh.ch>
	<0A523CC8-4562-4DF1-BF20-9CFB43EFA5DC@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4AC37623.5030605@gmail.com>

Ray Horsley wrote:
> I'm moving from Metacard's IDE to Rev's and wanting to customize 
> keyboard shortcuts.  For example, how would I setup the Rev IDE so 
> command-option-S opens the current stack's script, or command-D opens 
> steps through a script in the debugger stack?  I've also noticed that 
> command-1, 2, 3, and 4 don't work in my stack so I'd like to remove 
> these shortcuts from the View menu in Rev's IDE so my own traps catch 
> them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
> _______________________________________________
I think your question demonstrates the signal difference between the 
RunRev IDE
and the MetaCard IDE. The RunRev IDE is rather less hackable (although 
it can be
done) than the MetaCard one.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep 30 11:30:42 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:30:42 -0700
Subject: {OT] I went for awalk this morning.
In-Reply-To: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
References: <4AC315BF.20502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66A8C83DA0B845AA9CE36D7B4E6F776E@GATEWAY>

> And what did I see?
> 
> In Bulgaria, surprise, surprise, an Intel iMac for the 
> princely sum of ?1100.

The ability to use Snow Leopard, which gets you so many new and useful
features, especially with new Quicktime updates ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 11:46:01 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:46:01 EDT
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts
Message-ID: <d5d.49eb00bd.37f4d739@aol.com>

You would want to put this into a backScript, I suppose, so it would be 
available anywhere:

on commandkeydown tkey
    if the commandkey is down and the optionkey is down and tKey = "S" then
       edit the script of this stack
    end if
end commandkeydown

And other gizmos can be similarly done.

Craig Newman


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 30 11:57:11 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:57:11 -0700
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet #2
Message-ID: <4AC37FD7.7070106@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
> 
> Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
> ubiquitous Flash.

I don't mind Flash, but splash pages went out with 2002 and that one 
runs waaaay too long even by 20th century standards.

Jared Spool of UIE offers a simple recipe for evaluating the usefulness 
of things like intro pages:
<http://www.info-arch.org/lists/sigia-l/0103/0136.html>

:)

We use splash screens in desktop apps only because the app needs time to 
initialize and we need to give the user something attractive to look at 
until it's ready for work.

I've seen some apps actually delay their boot time so they can display 
their splash screen longer.  I don't quite understand that; the user 
didn't boot the app to look at a splash screen, and users don't go to 
the Ovaltine web site to look at colored blobs dancing around.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 12:05:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:05:39 +0300
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet #2
In-Reply-To: <4AC37FD7.7070106@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AC37FD7.7070106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AC381D3.4000403@gmail.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
>> http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
>>
>> Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
>> ubiquitous Flash.
>
> I don't mind Flash, but splash pages went out with 2002 and that one 
> runs waaaay too long even by 20th century standards.
>
> Jared Spool of UIE offers a simple recipe for evaluating the 
> usefulness of things like intro pages:
> <http://www.info-arch.org/lists/sigia-l/0103/0136.html>
>
> :)
>
> We use splash screens in desktop apps only because the app needs time 
> to initialize and we need to give the user something attractive to 
> look at until it's ready for work.
>
> I've seen some apps actually delay their boot time so they can display 
> their splash screen longer.  I don't quite understand that; the user 
> didn't boot the app to look at a splash screen, and users don't go to 
> the Ovaltine web site to look at colored blobs dancing around.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
Scotland's "Other Drink" seems to manage really very well
without a dependence on Flash:

http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 12:05:43 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:05:43 EDT
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts (summary)
Message-ID: <d40.4f77b711.37f4dbd7@aol.com>

Ray,

I did this sort of thing early on, so my HC fingers would not need to learn 
anything new while I was struggling to navigate in Rev. You asked for the 
exact shortcut that HC uses to open the stack script.

There are built-in shortcuts in Rev that do this: Cmd-Shift-S for 
example.There is a great little summary at:

http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php

Craig Newman


From ma at snowcamp.org  Wed Sep 30 12:34:14 2009
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:34:14 -0400
Subject: StandAlone - where is the stack window? oops,
	wrong recommendation
In-Reply-To: <4AC3684F.6010005@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AC3684F.6010005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2CA0C375-C439-4EBF-B97F-5AF7E222DFDA@snowcamp.org>

Richard, et. al,

Thank you!  Revealed some stuff I did not realize.  When/if a more  
complete version of the message sequence is put together, you might  
want to include if  a message is synchronous ... maybe not the right  
word ... maybe serially executed/sent.  This application was able to  
handle messages sent from Maill.app via AppleScript, even though  
startup had  not completed ...  perhaps because of the wait with  
messages.

Anyway, this kind of community is key to what makes Revolution so great!

If there is any interest in FilterReport, I'd be more than happy to  
share ... it is a bit of a hack though.

thank you,
Mike.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 30 13:26:46 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:26:46 -0300
Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10909301026t3bab91c0y635a19f371e112f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,
I am collecting blogs about Revolution, my idea is to quickly create a
"planet" web site like Planet Lisp < http://planet.lisp.org > and Planet
Scheme < http://scheme.dk/planet >. So if you guys and gals could answer
this email with your blog address, it would be cool.

Cheers
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From steve at theworcestersource.com  Wed Sep 30 13:34:36 2009
From: steve at theworcestersource.com (Steve Checkley)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:34:36 +0100
Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
Message-ID: <32A15AE8-F08A-4724-A5FE-E700A23EEF8B@theworcestersource.com>

Hi Andre,

My blog is over at www.theworcestersource.com and is currently  
following my exploits in making a cross platform tree control in Rev  
(plug, plug). ;o)

Cheers,


Steve



From barryb at libero.it  Wed Sep 30 13:39:30 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:39:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: problems with disinstalling REV
Message-ID: <3728363.3586241254332370251.JavaMail.root@wmail18>

I know this is  really a problem for the QAC and I tried it but was asked for a 
password that I do not know anything about. So I thought somebody could help me 
here.

I have several versions of REV installed on WindowsXP, infact all from 
2.7.2 to 4.0dp4. I stupidly opened a stack made with 4.0 in the previous two 
versions (3.0 and 3.5), now both of these have the Dictionary corrupted. The 
two sliding panes are blank and the side menu is totally inactive. I imagine 
that this could be corrected with a complete disinstal and reinstallation, 
however, problems arose in attempting to do this.
In the Windows Control 
Panel\application installation\Revolution Studio\ - on clicking change/remove 
programs, the red Revolution Installer comes up which says it will remove 
specific versions of Revolution in the folder C:/Programmi/Revolution Studio --
"Please click Next to continue..." 
Wait for it....there is NO 'Next' button 
only a 'Quit'! This, of course, I will notify to QAC but has anybody an idea of 
how I can proceed in the meantime? Version 4.0 is still going fine including 
the Dictionary.
Regards Barry


From commandant at windowslive.com  Wed Sep 30 13:47:44 2009
From: commandant at windowslive.com (HRH commandant)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:47:44 +0000
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <COL124-W452F2DACE1C7EC6050E90BC0D40@phx.gbl>


 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep 30 14:01:00 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:01:00 -0700
Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10909301026t3bab91c0y635a19f371e112f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10909301026t3bab91c0y635a19f371e112f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9C7699C83CB41CDA29ADF46F32716D2@GATEWAY>

Hi Andre,
 
Great idea! Maybe you should also point to specific categories? I know in my
case, my blog covers a lot of topics but everything Rev oriented goes into a
Rev category.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
http://www.proactive-intl.com 



 
 


________________________________

	From: improve-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:improve-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Garzia
	Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:27 AM
	To: How to use Revolution; Improvements to Revolution
	Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
	
	
	Hi Folks, 

	I am collecting blogs about Revolution, my idea is to quickly create
a "planet" web site like Planet Lisp < http://planet.lisp.org > and Planet
Scheme < http://scheme.dk/planet >. So if you guys and gals could answer
this email with your blog address, it would be cool.

	Cheers
	andre
	
	-- 
	http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
	




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 30 14:04:05 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:04:05 +0200
Subject: problems with disinstalling REV
In-Reply-To: <3728363.3586241254332370251.JavaMail.root@wmail18>
References: <3728363.3586241254332370251.JavaMail.root@wmail18>
Message-ID: <DBD5749B-2EF2-4E6D-922E-5EEFB1E3995F@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Barry,

You're right, the uninstaller is broken and even if you get it to  
work, it won't work properly. Just forget about it.

It is save to remove the software manually in XP. Just move Revolution  
to the trash and re-install. You can even manually remove any  
shortcuts from the Start menu. This shouldn't cause any problems. The  
only component that isn't fully obvious is the Techsmith dll. You  
should be able to find this somewhewre in the Windows folder or in a  
QuickTime plugins folder, but I don't think there is a reason why one  
might want to remove it.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com

On 30 sep 2009, at 19:39, barryb at libero.it wrote:

> I know this is  really a problem for the QAC and I tried it but was  
> asked for a
> password that I do not know anything about. So I thought somebody  
> could help me
> here.
>
> I have several versions of REV installed on WindowsXP, infact all from
> 2.7.2 to 4.0dp4. I stupidly opened a stack made with 4.0 in the  
> previous two
> versions (3.0 and 3.5), now both of these have the Dictionary  
> corrupted. The
> two sliding panes are blank and the side menu is totally inactive. I  
> imagine
> that this could be corrected with a complete disinstal and  
> reinstallation,
> however, problems arose in attempting to do this.
> In the Windows Control
> Panel\application installation\Revolution Studio\ - on clicking  
> change/remove
> programs, the red Revolution Installer comes up which says it will  
> remove
> specific versions of Revolution in the folder C:/Programmi/ 
> Revolution Studio --
> "Please click Next to continue..."
> Wait for it....there is NO 'Next' button
> only a 'Quit'! This, of course, I will notify to QAC but has anybody  
> an idea of
> how I can proceed in the meantime? Version 4.0 is still going fine  
> including
> the Dictionary.
> Regards Barry




From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Sep 30 14:29:46 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:29:46 -0700
Subject: Q: Can I use only a part of an Image File and do stuff with it ?
In-Reply-To: <20090930160549.0BF8648AE46@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090930160549.0BF8648AE46@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F669F0AA-0D5C-4230-A52C-629E2787F760@netrin.com>

>
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:13:05 +0300
> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Q: Can I use only a part of an Image File and do stuff
> 	with it ?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <4AC37581.1020105 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Rolf Kocherhans wrote:
>> For instance I have an imported Image file (png) 10 pixels high and
>> 100 pixels long.
>>
>> From pixel 1 to 10 ist Picture_one, from pixel 11 to 20 is Picture
>> _two etc.
>>
>> Can I the display those 2 respectively 10 pictures individually ?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Rolf
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> If you look up 'pixel' in the Documentation you will find that this
> cannot be done.
>
> However, you could chop up your image by importing snapshots of  
> parts of it:
>
> on mouseUp
>   import snapshot from rectangle 0,0,300,454 of img "iXYZ"
>   move the last img to 512, 600
>   delete img "iXYZ"
> end mouseUp


You can also
	Select the Image
	Group it
	Crop the group so that it shows only one of your sub images.
		In your example, that means you crop the group so that only pixels 1  
thru 10 show.
	LOCK the group's size and position
	Change the location of the image
		In your example, that would mean subtracting 10 from the image's LEFT.
		Each time you do that this would have the effect of stepping through  
the 'frames' of your 'movie'.
		Do it rapidly and you can make a kind of animation from a single  
image.


Jim Lambert

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 15:36:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:36:51 +0300
Subject: Waiting for RR 4 and the next version of the web-plug-in
Message-ID: <4AC3B353.80501@gmail.com>

I wonder if anybody has a crystal ball that is
less cloudy than mine in these respects?

Actually, from a fairly selfish and smug point
of view, having been to the conference and
left bearing treasure (i.e. Studio Beta 4 dp-4)
I am more concerned about the next version of
the web plug-in as I really want to release
an online version of my Sanskrit typewriter
where the palettes will launch in front of
the browser rather than behind them.

Certainly, as October is upon us, I wonder
whether somebody's GANTT chart is more
elastic-sided than my own.

It would certainly be nice to know (and
I am sure I am not the only person for
whom a properly functioning web plug-in
is now mission-critical) so one can 'massage'
one's own GANTT chart appropriately.


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Wed Sep 30 18:56:57 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:56:57 -0700
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts (summary)
In-Reply-To: <d40.4f77b711.37f4dbd7@aol.com>
References: <d40.4f77b711.37f4dbd7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <95418AF9-69E8-40C4-8E69-F7F991596161@LinkIt.Com>

Craig,

Thanks for this web site.  Very helpful.  Nonetheless, I've tried  
inserting my own stack's script which includes a commandKeyDown  
handler into the front and into the back as well as "start using" the  
stack which has the comanndKeyDown handler.  In all cases I not only  
lose the functionality of the Rev menubar's keyboard shortcuts but  
mine don't get hit either.  Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,

Ray

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:05 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Ray,
>
> I did this sort of thing early on, so my HC fingers would not need  
> to learn
> anything new while I was struggling to navigate in Rev. You asked  
> for the
> exact shortcut that HC uses to open the stack script.
>
> There are built-in shortcuts in Rev that do this: Cmd-Shift-S for
> example.There is a great little summary at:
>
> http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Wed Sep 30 18:59:20 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:59:20 -0700
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts (summary)
In-Reply-To: <95418AF9-69E8-40C4-8E69-F7F991596161@LinkIt.Com>
References: <d40.4f77b711.37f4dbd7@aol.com>
	<95418AF9-69E8-40C4-8E69-F7F991596161@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <0BD1304E-2471-4612-81A9-40CC8D78524A@LinkIt.Com>

Craig,

Wait a minute.  Nevermind.  I had neglected to "pass commandKeyDown".   
This seems to restore the Rev menubar keyboard shortcuts.

Thanks,

Ray

On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Craig,
>
> Thanks for this web site.  Very helpful.  Nonetheless, I've tried  
> inserting my own stack's script which includes a commandKeyDown  
> handler into the front and into the back as well as "start using"  
> the stack which has the comanndKeyDown handler.  In all cases I not  
> only lose the functionality of the Rev menubar's keyboard shortcuts  
> but mine don't get hit either.  Am I doing something wrong?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:05 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Ray,
>>
>> I did this sort of thing early on, so my HC fingers would not need  
>> to learn
>> anything new while I was struggling to navigate in Rev. You asked  
>> for the
>> exact shortcut that HC uses to open the stack script.
>>
>> There are built-in shortcuts in Rev that do this: Cmd-Shift-S for
>> example.There is a great little summary at:
>>
>> http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php
>>
>> Craig Newman
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 16:16:18 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:16:18 EDT
Subject: Customizing Keyboard Shortcuts (summary)
Message-ID: <d0f.579e756a.37f51692@aol.com>

Ray:

Yes, passing certain messages is de riguer. Some of these are frequently 
taken for granted, and if they are trapped without being passed...


In a message dated 9/30/09 4:00:11 PM, Ray at LinkIt.Com writes:


> Wait a minute.? Nevermind.? I had neglected to "pass commandKeyDown".??
> This seems to restore the Rev menubar keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> 



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 16:24:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:24:39 +0300
Subject: Rotating Polygons
Message-ID: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>

I just have been reading Robert Cailliau's page:

http://www.robertcailliau.eu/Programming/Revolution/Tutorials/zTutorials.html

I popped together a stack containing a Heptagonal regular
polygon and popped this in a button:

on mouseUp
   set the Angle of grc "HEPT" to 45
end mouseUp

in RunRev 4 that seems to work perfectly well ...

also works perfectly in Dreamcard 2.6.1 ....

This doesn't work for a a non-regular polygon graphic:

Cailliau claims:

"Unlike images, polygons cannot be directly rotated in Revolution.  They 
have no "angle" property."

http://www.robertcailliau.eu/Programming/Revolution/Tutorials/PolygonRotation/zPolygonRotation.html

the second part of which is plain WRONG; one can set the ANGLE of an 
irregular polygon, it just doesn't
have any affect.

HOWEVER, the Documentation explicitly details  revRotatePoly:

on mouseUp
   revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", 60
end mouseUp

which is a lot simpler than getting misled by Cailliau's stuff about 
having to use all sorts of complicated
custom properties.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 30 16:37:35 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:37:35 -0700
Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
Message-ID: <4AC3C18F.5030708@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Great idea! Maybe you should also point to specific categories? I know in my
> case, my blog covers a lot of topics but everything Rev oriented goes into a
> Rev category.

Categories?  You want categories?

<http://revdevelop.com/>

Sean Shao's done a great job with that domain.  Hopefully there will be 
some way to share links between RevDevelop.com and whatever Andre cooks up.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Sep 30 17:14:08 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25689152.post@talk.nabble.com>


Richmond,

you might want to try to put 

on scrollbarddrag scrollbarDragValue
revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", scrollbarDragValue
end scrollbardrag

into a scrollbar and scroll a couple of times from 0 to 360 and back.

Robert is up to a stable rotate

regards
Bernd




Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> I just have been reading Robert Cailliau's page:
> 
> 
> Cailliau claims:
> 
> "Unlike images, polygons cannot be directly rotated in Revolution.  They 
> have no "angle" property."
> 
> http://www.robertcailliau.eu/Programming/Revolution/Tutorials/PolygonRotation/zPolygonRotation.html
> 
> the second part of which is plain WRONG; one can set the ANGLE of an 
> irregular polygon, it just doesn't
> have any affect.
> 
> HOWEVER, the Documentation explicitly details  revRotatePoly:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", 60
> end mouseUp
> 
> which is a lot simpler than getting misled by Cailliau's stuff about 
> having to use all sorts of complicated
> custom properties.
> 

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 30 17:31:11 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:31:11 -0700
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26672934828.20090930143111@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:24:39 PM, you wrote:

> I popped together a stack containing a Heptagonal regular
> polygon and popped this in a button:

> on mouseUp
>    set the Angle of grc "HEPT" to 45
> end mouseUp

> in RunRev 4 that seems to work perfectly well ...

Well, yes, but note that fill patterns and gradients don't rotate with
the graphic, so I would question the definition of "perfectly".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 17:46:53 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:46:53 +0300
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <26672934828.20090930143111@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>
	<26672934828.20090930143111@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4AC3D1CD.1030901@gmail.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Well, yes, but note that fill patterns and gradients don't rotate with
> the graphic, so I would question the definition of "perfectly".
>   
Hey-Ho; I found that one out at the conference and it is a right thorn
in the flesh.

Re: "perfectly"; this is another word that is fairly nebulous.

However revRotatePoly works as well for irregular polygons as
set the angle  does for regular polygons.

As fillGradients and patterns are governed by their own parameters
(rather than being 'part of' the object to which they have been applied)
those have to be juggled to; hence my remarks a few weeks ago about
Ben Beaumont's Rotating Balls . . .

The problem with fillGradient is to keep the relationship between TO,
FROM and VIA intact whilst rotating them with the graphic object.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 18:01:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:01:51 +0300
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <25689152.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com> <25689152.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4AC3D54F.1070706@gmail.com>

BNig wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> you might want to try to put 
>
> on scrollbarddrag scrollbarDragValue
> revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", scrollbarDragValue
> end scrollbardrag
>
> into a scrollbar and scroll a couple of times from 0 to 360 and back.
>
> Robert is up to a stable rotate
>
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
>   
Presumably what you mean by "a stable rotate" is that the polygon does 
not get distorted
as it rotates.

This:

on mouseUp
   repeat for 360 times
      revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "gXXX", 1
   end repeat
end mouseUp

ends up making the graphic unrecognisable.

I tried this:

on mouseUp
   set the moveSpeed to 65000
   repeat for 360 times
      revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "gXXX", 1
      set the lockScreen to true
      set the width of grc "gXXX" to 300
      set the height of grc "gXXX" to 300
      move grc "gXXX" to 300,300
      set the lockScreen to false
   end repeat
end mouseUp

and the effect is really horrible insofar as the polygon gets badly 
transformed.
>
> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>   
>> I just have been reading Robert Cailliau's page:
>>
>>
>> Cailliau claims:
>>
>> "Unlike images, polygons cannot be directly rotated in Revolution.  They 
>> have no "angle" property."
>>
>> http://www.robertcailliau.eu/Programming/Revolution/Tutorials/PolygonRotation/zPolygonRotation.html
>>
>> the second part of which is plain WRONG; one can set the ANGLE of an 
>> irregular polygon, it just doesn't
>> have any affect.
>>
>> HOWEVER, the Documentation explicitly details  revRotatePoly:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", 60
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> which is a lot simpler than getting misled by Cailliau's stuff about 
>> having to use all sorts of complicated
>> custom properties.
>>
>>     
It would make things a lot simpler if Cailliau explicitly stated what he 
meant by "rotate".


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Sep 30 18:05:59 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <4AC3D54F.1070706@gmail.com>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com> <25689152.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4AC3D54F.1070706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25689904.post@talk.nabble.com>




Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> BNig wrote:
>> Richmond,
>>
>> you might want to try to put 
>>
>> on scrollbarddrag scrollbarDragValue
>> revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", scrollbarDragValue
>> end scrollbardrag
>>
>> into a scrollbar and scroll a couple of times from 0 to 360 and back.
>>
>> Robert is up to a stable rotate
>>
>> regards
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>   
> Presumably what you mean by "a stable rotate" is that the polygon does 
> not get distorted
> as it rotates.
> 
> This:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    repeat for 360 times
>       revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "gXXX", 1
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> ends up making the graphic unrecognisable.
> 
> I tried this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    set the moveSpeed to 65000
>    repeat for 360 times
>       revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "gXXX", 1
>       set the lockScreen to true
>       set the width of grc "gXXX" to 300
>       set the height of grc "gXXX" to 300
>       move grc "gXXX" to 300,300
>       set the lockScreen to false
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> and the effect is really horrible insofar as the polygon gets badly 
> transformed.
>>
>> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>>   
>>> I just have been reading Robert Cailliau's page:
>>>
>>>
>>> Cailliau claims:
>>>
>>> "Unlike images, polygons cannot be directly rotated in Revolution.  They 
>>> have no "angle" property."
>>>
>>> http://www.robertcailliau.eu/Programming/Revolution/Tutorials/PolygonRotation/zPolygonRotation.html
>>>
>>> the second part of which is plain WRONG; one can set the ANGLE of an 
>>> irregular polygon, it just doesn't
>>> have any affect.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, the Documentation explicitly details  revRotatePoly:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>    revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", 60
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> which is a lot simpler than getting misled by Cailliau's stuff about 
>>> having to use all sorts of complicated
>>> custom properties.
>>>
>>>     
> It would make things a lot simpler if Cailliau explicitly stated what he 
> meant by "rotate".
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Sep 30 18:09:36 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:09:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <25689904.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com> <25689152.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4AC3D54F.1070706@gmail.com> <25689904.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25689944.post@talk.nabble.com>


Sorry, I hit the send button before writing...

you can make the revRotatePoly somewhat stable by setting a custom property
with the points of the graphic before revRotatePoly. Then whenever you
rotate you start from the original points of the graphic.

like in this

on scrollbarDrag newValue 
lock screen 
set the points of graphic "g1" to the myPoints of graphic "g1" 
revRotatePoly the name of graphic "g1", newValue 
end scrollbarDrag 

regards
Bernd

> on scrollbarddrag scrollbarDragValue
> revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", scrollbarDragValue
> end scrollbardrag


BNig wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>> 
>> BNig wrote:
>>> Richmond,
>>>
>>> you might want to try to put 
>>>
>>> on scrollbarddrag scrollbarDragValue
>>> revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", scrollbarDragValue
>>> end scrollbardrag
>>>
>>> into a scrollbar and scroll a couple of times from 0 to 360 and back.
>>>
>>> Robert is up to a stable rotate
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Bernd
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> Presumably what you mean by "a stable rotate" is that the polygon does 
>> not get distorted
>> as it rotates.
>> 
>> This:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>    repeat for 360 times
>>       revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "gXXX", 1
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> ends up making the graphic unrecognisable.
>> 
>> I tried this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>    set the moveSpeed to 65000
>>    repeat for 360 times
>>       revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "gXXX", 1
>>       set the lockScreen to true
>>       set the width of grc "gXXX" to 300
>>       set the height of grc "gXXX" to 300
>>       move grc "gXXX" to 300,300
>>       set the lockScreen to false
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> and the effect is really horrible insofar as the polygon gets badly 
>> transformed.
>>>
>>> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>>>   
>>>> I just have been reading Robert Cailliau's page:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cailliau claims:
>>>>
>>>> "Unlike images, polygons cannot be directly rotated in Revolution. 
>>>> They 
>>>> have no "angle" property."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.robertcailliau.eu/Programming/Revolution/Tutorials/PolygonRotation/zPolygonRotation.html
>>>>
>>>> the second part of which is plain WRONG; one can set the ANGLE of an 
>>>> irregular polygon, it just doesn't
>>>> have any affect.
>>>>
>>>> HOWEVER, the Documentation explicitly details  revRotatePoly:
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>    revRotatePoly the long ID of grc "SQUIGGLE", 60
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>> which is a lot simpler than getting misled by Cailliau's stuff about 
>>>> having to use all sorts of complicated
>>>> custom properties.
>>>>
>>>>     
>> It would make things a lot simpler if Cailliau explicitly stated what he 
>> meant by "rotate".
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
> 

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 30 18:11:20 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:11:20 -0700
Subject: Rotating Polygons
In-Reply-To: <4AC3D1CD.1030901@gmail.com>
References: <4AC3BE87.5070709@gmail.com>
	<26672934828.20090930143111@ahsoftware.net>
	<4AC3D1CD.1030901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <143675344156.20090930151120@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:46:53 PM, you wrote:

> The problem with fillGradient is to keep the relationship between TO,
> FROM and VIA intact whilst rotating them with the graphic object.

I believe you can keep FROM constant, but TO and VIA have to be
interpolated. And the math involved gives me a headache at the moment,
so I'm going out for coffee.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kkaufman at snet.net  Wed Sep 30 18:33:07 2009
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:33:07 -0400
Subject: Challenge: to do something like this in a revlet #2
Message-ID: <FED79434-CA39-4C89-9999-2B1929D47008@snet.net>

When I encounter a splash screen on a web site, typically the first  
thing that I do is search for the "Skip Intro" link, usually at the  
bottom of the page.

However, I think that the original post referred to the feasibility of  
designing an equivalent "presentation" using Rev.

Kurt


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 30 18:52:25 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:52:25 -0700
Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
Message-ID: <4AC3E129.3060403@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> I am collecting blogs about Revolution, my idea is to quickly create a
> "planet" web site like Planet Lisp < http://planet.lisp.org > and Planet
> Scheme < http://scheme.dk/planet >. So if you guys and gals could answer
> this email with your blog address, it would be cool.

RevJournal now has a blog:
<http://revjournal.com/blog.irv>

There's a link to the RSS feed there too, which also appears in RevNet.

Not only is the blog about Rev, it was made with Rev: from the server 
backend to the custom client I use for posting, it's 100% RevTalk (with 
a touch of mod_rewrite to automate the CGI handling).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 30 20:47:06 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:47:06 -0700
Subject: [REQUEST] Blogs about Revolution
In-Reply-To: <4AC3E129.3060403@fourthworld.com>
References: <4AC3E129.3060403@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <92684689984.20090930174706@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 3:52:25 PM, you wrote:

> RevJournal now has a blog:
> <http://revjournal.com/blog.irv>

Nice blog. Looking forward to more. Since there's no place to leave
comments <g>, I'll add here that since rev 3.5 controls will also
receive the preOpenControl and openControl messages when the card is
opened and the closeControl message when the card is closed, so it's
also possible for controls on the first card in a stack to do things
before the stack is visible.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Wed Sep 30 22:21:52 2009
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:21:52 -0700
Subject: Revolution on 65 Bit Windows
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001bcc63009867af001bcc63.1bcc65@CreaTECHSol.com>

I don't know if this has been answered before, but I need to know if you
can run a compiled Revolution application on a 64 bit Windows machine
running either Windows Vista or Windows Server 2008?

I am out of town and do not have access to my test machines with these OSs
installed.


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