From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri May  1 00:55:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:55:33 -1000
Subject: Lanching an image (Was: RE: Avoiding multiple instances of a
	running Rev app)
In-Reply-To: <49F9AE20.31280.4F881A76@p.williams.alkazar.net>
References: <49F6CC80.6040002@gmail.com>, <009901c9c98f$1b2118f0$51634ad0$@com>,
	<49F99C3B.6080407@together.net>
	<49F9AE20.31280.4F881A76@p.williams.alkazar.net>
Message-ID: <00d301c9ca19$0ff4e2b0$2fdea810$@com>

This was posted already, but maybe missed because it was under an already
answered thread subject. So, I changed the subject. ;-) This is obviously a
Windows question but should have a Mac equivalent.

Hi All,

Paul wrote:

> ... what I do is copy pv.exe
> into a
> custom property, then extract it into the default directory, check for
> multiple
> processes with the name of my process then tidy up and close down.

This reminds me of a question. ;-) Anyone know of a way to launch or shell
to an image of an exe in a custom property similar to the way you can "go"
to an image of a stack in a custom property without putting it to disk
first?

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May  1 02:12:11 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:12:11 +0200
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
Message-ID: <A3BD2ADC-3BD2-4760-9DB1-EF2235163BDF@ezpzapps.com>

When I searched for Applescript  Quick Look Leopard I came across the  
following way to get Quick Look into my Rev app (the app requires  
Leopard anyway, so it fits well).

I'm wondering if anyone else is using Quick Look in a Rev app?

Seems cool so far. Work well, I've tested it with iWorks, images,  
video, text.

Uses qlmanage and the -p opens the object in a standard Quick Look  
window.


Using a shell script and Leopard's Quick Look feature do something like:

qlmanage -p '/Users/jimsims/Desktop/zzz.numbers'



sims

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May  1 03:15:56 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:15:56 +0200
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
Message-ID: <555D8B9C-E19A-414B-A250-866E948D47A1@ezpzapps.com>

> When I searched for Applescript  Quick Look Leopard I came across  
> the following way to get Quick Look into my Rev app (the app  
> requires Leopard anyway, so it fits well).
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else is using Quick Look in a Rev app?
>
> Seems cool so far. Work well, I've tested it with iWorks, images,  
> video, text.

Note, it doesn't seem to have the window expander arrows (or whatever  
one might call them) at the bottom. It does enable you to look at  
iWorks files which is pretty cool.

sims


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri May  1 03:25:07 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 17:25:07 +1000
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
In-Reply-To: <555D8B9C-E19A-414B-A250-866E948D47A1@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <C620E0F3.4202%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 1/05/09 5:15 PM, "jim sims" <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:

>> When I searched for Applescript  Quick Look Leopard I came across
>> the following way to get Quick Look into my Rev app (the app
>> requires Leopard anyway, so it fits well).
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone else is using Quick Look in a Rev app?
>> 
>> Seems cool so far. Work well, I've tested it with iWorks, images,
>> video, text.
> 
> Note, it doesn't seem to have the window expander arrows (or whatever
> one might call them) at the bottom. It does enable you to look at
> iWorks files which is pretty cool.

Cool Jim - just being able to display PDFs and Word docs is enough for me.

Terry...

> 
> sims
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri May  1 03:28:17 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 17:28:17 +1000
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
In-Reply-To: <C620E0F3.4202%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C620E1B1.4204%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Ooh - and PowerPoint presentations as well!


On 1/05/09 5:25 PM, "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

> On 1/05/09 5:15 PM, "jim sims" <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:
> 
>>> When I searched for Applescript  Quick Look Leopard I came across
>>> the following way to get Quick Look into my Rev app (the app
>>> requires Leopard anyway, so it fits well).
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else is using Quick Look in a Rev app?
>>> 
>>> Seems cool so far. Work well, I've tested it with iWorks, images,
>>> video, text.
>> 
>> Note, it doesn't seem to have the window expander arrows (or whatever
>> one might call them) at the bottom. It does enable you to look at
>> iWorks files which is pretty cool.
> 
> Cool Jim - just being able to display PDFs and Word docs is enough for me.
> 
> Terry...



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May  1 03:39:20 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:39:20 +0200
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
In-Reply-To: <C620E1B1.4204%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C620E1B1.4204%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <2AC03FA2-08F3-4CFD-B6A6-EEE131AE3548@ezpzapps.com>


On May 1, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

> Ooh - and PowerPoint presentations as well!

Yes, useful.


Maybe the -t option is useful, no idea about these others however. I'm  
a little timid mucking about in terminal.


The man page has:

NAME
      qlmanage -- Quick Look Server debug and management tool

SYNOPSIS
      qlmanage -r

      qlmanage -m

      qlmanage -t [-s size] [-f factor] [-c contentTypeUTI [-g  
generator]]
               [file ...]

      qlmanage -p [-c contentTypeUTI [-g generator]] [file ...]

      qlmanage -h

DESCRIPTION
      qlmanage allows you to test your Quick Look generators and  
manage Quick
      Look Server.

      The following usages are available:

      1.       qlmanage -r resets Quick Look Server and all Quick Look  
client's
               generator cache.

      2.       qlmanage -m gets all sort of information on Quick Look  
server
               including the list of detected generators.

      3.       qlmanage -t displays the Quick Look generated  
thumbnails (if
               available) for the specified files. This executes the  
thumbnail
               generator.

      4.       qlmanage -p displays the Quick Look generated previews  
for the
               specified files.

      5.       qlmanage -h displays a summary of this page.


sims

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  1 03:45:42 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>


Judy, maybe the issue with custom properties is that they are so simple? 
There is almost nothing there to get your head around.  

The thing I found completely blocking at first was, I kept asking myself, if
they are properties, they must be properties of something, so what is it
they are properties of, and how are they "properties"?  I kept thinking of
properties as being some sort of quality of an object, like color or size. 
It seems incomprehensible in retrospect that it can have seemed so
confusing.  But probably it was that the name hides something very very
simple!

The way to think of them is just fields.  Except they can be these funny
"fields" so to speak "on" a stack as well as on a card.  And the syntax for
getting stuff into them or reading from them is a little different.  And
they are invisible to the user.  But that is all they are.  If you can use
fields, you can use custom properties in about 30 seconds.  Though it took
me a lot longer than I'm going to admit to, to discover this!

One dimension of whether to store data in them is to what extent you want
your users to have independent access to their data.  If you want them to be
able to find it and move it to a different program if they feel like it,
probably out-of-program storage is going to be best.  I recently found it
reassuring to know that if I were to meet my maker, my suffering earth bound
users had all their data in tab separated text files which they could get
out in a flash and transfer to the database or spreadsheet of their choice. 

Storing in custom properties means they need Rev or your program to get at
it, no?  
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  1 04:37:15 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:37:15 +0300
Subject: Unknown Term
Message-ID: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>

dropFile

as in:

on mouseUp
  answer file "Please choose an image:"
  if it is not empty then
    dropFile it
  end if
end mouseUp

in the 'Core Image Visual Effects' stack.

Could find no reference to this term in either the built-in
documentation or the PDF.

As this code appears exactly the same in a number
of buttons it is not at all clear where the reference to
the source file goes.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May  1 04:50:44 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 01:50:44 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Judy Perry wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out what new (to me) things are worth spending time
> on this summer (worth = useful for me) and which are not.  I honestly do
> not see myself doing 32,000 card stacks anytime soon as my little things
> are just educational aids for my kids, so I thought I'd pick custom
> properties since everyone seems to be of the opinion that they are the
> bee's knees. Howevder, I need to see an example along the lines of the
> sorts of things I'd be likely to use them for as well as an extremely
> detailed set of instructions with explanations of why as well as how.

Judy, maybe this analogy can help:

You can think of custom properties as global variables that are tied to
objects, instead of variables that float around in space.

You know how to use globals, yes?  If you script:
  global specialValues
  put "a,b,c" into specialValues

...you've created a global variable named specialValues that is accessible
everywhere in your stack.  And to use the contents of specialValues, you
simply declare the variable and do something with it:
   global specialValues
   answer specialValues

The above is similar for custom properties, except that you assign the
"global" to an object:
  set the specialValues of btn 1 to "a,b,c"

In scripting this, you have created a custom property of button 1 called
specialValues, and you can retrieve the contents of the property anywhere in
your stack by referencing the object to which the property is attached:
   answer the specialValues of btn 1

Notice that you need to use the word "the" when accessing a custom property,
the same way you would script "the backColor of btn 1" or "the width of btn
1".  Now, in addition to backColor and width properties, button 1 also has a
specialValues property -- a property you created.

So while a custom property is not a global variable from a semantic
standpoint, it does behave a bit like a global variable, but one that is
assigned to an object, and the object can be a control, a card, or a stack.

I think this has been stated before, but one reason I use custom properties
so often in my stacks is the values stored in them are persistent across
sessions, whereas globals need to be populated each time.  I also like the
fact that custom properties are no longer present after a stack is closed,
unlike globals which hang around in memory until they are deleted or Rev is
shut down.

Finally, the association that can be made between and object and a custom
property makes sense to me.  I can set the "bouncing" property of a ball
image to true or false; if I have many ball images in a stack, they can all
have the same "bouncing" property which I can check on an object-by-object
basis.

Hope you find this somewhat useful.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri May  1 06:30:19 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 03:30:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
In-Reply-To: <2AC03FA2-08F3-4CFD-B6A6-EEE131AE3548@ezpzapps.com>
References: <A3BD2ADC-3BD2-4760-9DB1-EF2235163BDF@ezpzapps.com>
	<555D8B9C-E19A-414B-A250-866E948D47A1@ezpzapps.com>
	<C620E0F3.4202%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<C620E1B1.4204%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<2AC03FA2-08F3-4CFD-B6A6-EEE131AE3548@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <23331028.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jim,

thanks for this.

I tried the -t option. Then it shows in a white window instead of the black
one. Since it is a thumb you can not scroll through multipage pdfs for
example. It shows only the first page. For images this is quite ok. One can
get the up to the original size by fiddling with the parameters.

here is a script with some variations of the commands
------------------------
on mouseUp
   answer file "please choose ..."
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   put it into theFile
   put apostrophe (theFile) into theFile
   put "qlmanage -t " & "-s 900 " & theFile into tcmd -- apparently it sets
it to max orig size, white window
   -- put "qlmanage -t " & "-f 5 " & theFile into tcmd ---- apparently it
sets it to max orig size, white window
   -- put "qlmanage -p " & theFile into tcmd -- shows it in a black window
   get shell  (tCmd)
   if the result is not empty then put the result
end mouseUp

function apostrophe what
   return "'" & what & "'"
end apostrophe
-----------------------------

regards
Bernd


Jim Sims wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>> Ooh - and PowerPoint presentations as well!
> 
> Yes, useful.
> 
> 
> Maybe the -t option is useful, no idea about these others however. I'm  
> a little timid mucking about in terminal.
> 
> 
> The man page has:
> 
> NAME
>       qlmanage -- Quick Look Server debug and management tool
> 
> SYNOPSIS
>       qlmanage -r
> 
>       qlmanage -m
> 
>       qlmanage -t [-s size] [-f factor] [-c contentTypeUTI [-g  
> generator]]
>                [file ...]
> 
>       qlmanage -p [-c contentTypeUTI [-g generator]] [file ...]
> 
>       qlmanage -h
> 
> DESCRIPTION
>       qlmanage allows you to test your Quick Look generators and  
> manage Quick
>       Look Server.
> 
>       The following usages are available:
> 
>       1.       qlmanage -r resets Quick Look Server and all Quick Look  
> client's
>                generator cache.
> 
>       2.       qlmanage -m gets all sort of information on Quick Look  
> server
>                including the list of detected generators.
> 
>       3.       qlmanage -t displays the Quick Look generated  
> thumbnails (if
>                available) for the specified files. This executes the  
> thumbnail
>                generator.
> 
>       4.       qlmanage -p displays the Quick Look generated previews  
> for the
>                specified files.
> 
>       5.       qlmanage -h displays a summary of this page.
> 
> 
> sims
> 
> sims at ezpzapps.com
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> 
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May  1 06:41:09 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:41:09 +0200
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
In-Reply-To: <23331028.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <A3BD2ADC-3BD2-4760-9DB1-EF2235163BDF@ezpzapps.com>
	<555D8B9C-E19A-414B-A250-866E948D47A1@ezpzapps.com>
	<C620E0F3.4202%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<C620E1B1.4204%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<2AC03FA2-08F3-4CFD-B6A6-EEE131AE3548@ezpzapps.com>
	<23331028.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <49D95B37-D0CE-4B8B-AD5F-E96ED0A5F03B@ezpzapps.com>


On May 1, 2009, at 12:30 PM, BNig wrote:

> I tried the -t option. Then it shows in a white window instead of  
> the black
> one. Since it is a thumb you can not scroll through multipage pdfs for
> example. It shows only the first page. For images this is quite ok.  
> One can
> get the up to the original size by fiddling with the parameters.
>
> here is a script with some variations of the commands

Thanks!

I tried it with iWorks Numbers using the Hawaiian  Vacation template  
and could click through the navigation links on the left side. So,  
some bits of interaction are possible but not much. Movies can start &  
stop.

That 'max size' original size bit might be handy.

sims

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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri May  1 07:13:40 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:13:40 +0100
Subject: Unknown Term
In-Reply-To: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
References: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905010413j5ff01b42pd802b140ab43f9f7@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know the stack you are referring to, and don't have access to
Rev at the moment.  But I'd say that if it is not in the dictionary it
must be a handler defined in the script somewhere.

Bernard

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> dropFile
>
> as in:
>
> on mouseUp
> ?answer file "Please choose an image:"
> ?if it is not empty then
> ? dropFile it
> ?end if
> end mouseUp
>
> in the 'Core Image Visual Effects' stack.
>
> Could find no reference to this term in either the built-in
> documentation or the PDF.
>
> As this code appears exactly the same in a number
> of buttons it is not at all clear where the reference to
> the source file goes.
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri May  1 08:30:04 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 05:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: applescript - shell and Quick Look
In-Reply-To: <49D95B37-D0CE-4B8B-AD5F-E96ED0A5F03B@ezpzapps.com>
References: <A3BD2ADC-3BD2-4760-9DB1-EF2235163BDF@ezpzapps.com>
	<555D8B9C-E19A-414B-A250-866E948D47A1@ezpzapps.com>
	<C620E0F3.4202%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<C620E1B1.4204%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<2AC03FA2-08F3-4CFD-B6A6-EEE131AE3548@ezpzapps.com>
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	<49D95B37-D0CE-4B8B-AD5F-E96ED0A5F03B@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <23332393.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jim,
found out that double clicking in the quick look view opens the document in
its native application.

regards
Bernd



Jim Sims wrote:
> 
> 
> I tried it with iWorks Numbers using the Hawaiian  Vacation template  
> and could click through the navigation links on the left side. So,  
> some bits of interaction are possible but not much. Movies can start &  
> stop.
> 
> ...
> sims
> 
> sims at ezpzapps.com
> Skype:   sims.jim
> iChat:   techietours
> ______________________
> Opportunity by Design
> 

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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May  1 09:46:57 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:46:57 EDT
Subject: property inspector poll
Message-ID: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>

My gadget is a rewrite of my HC development tool, though much smaller, 
since rev does many things it did, either better or natively. It is useful, for 
me at least, especially in the early authoring stage. In HC it was 
implemented as an external window (Dan Gelder's "MegaWindow"). In rev it is, of 
course, a stack. Maybe I will upload it to revOnLine, with instructions. It seems 
stable, and does do some very handy tasks.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 4/30/09 8:49:43 PM, josh at dvcreators.net writes:


> Hi Craig,
> 
> Where would I find more info on your gadget?
> 
> Thanks
> 




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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May  1 10:09:15 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:09:15 EDT
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
Message-ID: <d5f.4adba31c.372c5c8b@aol.com>

I got one of these, a general purpose I/O device. It simply plugs into a 
USB port on a Mac. It is a stronger, though very similar version of the old 
Beehive "ADB I/O" device. Stronger mainly in that USB is much faster than 
Apple's ADB bus. It is completely self contained. Plug and play. It comes with 
externals for revolution, as well as other environments.

It is a fabulous toy. Basically, a suite of rev commands and functions 
allows one to "write" (open and close output switch contacts) or "read" (detect 
the state of input switch contacts). There are also analog inputs with 12 
bit resolution, and pulse width modulation is implemented internally

Almost anyone could create an alarm system, a light show or the like with 
radio shack components. You need hobby level electronic know-how to do 
anything really cool, but your Mac can completely control the world. It is 
hardware I/O for the rest of us.

Craig Newman


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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May  1 10:24:10 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 09:24:10 -0500
Subject: Proper Location for Linux Builds
In-Reply-To: <23311288.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <49F770A2.10203@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<23296100.post@talk.nabble.com>	<49F882E3.20600@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<23311288.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <49FB060A.1000305@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Peter,

I have tried InstallJammer.  The end result is an installer that looks
exactly like a "Windows" styled install Wizard.  It does work, but it's
kinda ugly and a little bit more difficult to tweak.

In the end I would prefer some sort of Installer for Linux, but it
apparent now that it would be more cost-effective for me to skip the
installer on windows and just gzip the program folder.

Thus far I have been doing most of my testing using VirtualBox (free and
just as good as Parallels), but I have just acquired a laptop that I can
install another flavor of Linux on for Testing.

Thanks again for all of your advice.  You've given me a lot of items to
think about, and I will take into consideration while developing the
Linux version of my programs.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> There is a Linux installer on the lines of the usual ones for Windows.  Its
> installjammer.  
> 
> http://installjammer.com/
> 
> Seems to be still under active development.  I've never used it.  It claims
> to be cross platform in addition.
> 
> Yes, I would distribute in a compressed file with a readme, and most people
> will probably be installing in single user mode - if they are not, they will
> know what to do.  So the readme would just tell them to copy the folder to
> their home folder and create a launcher on the desktop, or in the task bar,
> to the executable.  
> 
> It should probably warn them to check permissions and make sure its
> executable.  I downloaded Installjammer, for example, when posting this, and
> it was not marked executable.  Most (all?) emailed files seem to arrive
> marked read only - you have to explain to new Linux users that the system
> thinks its protecting them from files people send them, and that they have
> to either save a copy and work on that, or else change permissions.
> 
> If your program creates data files, ask the user to pick where he/she wants
> them to go, on first run.  Or just put them in the user home folder.  The
> usual place for a preference file if you have one, is in the user home
> folder, preceded by a dot to make it invisible, as in '.dreamscape'.  If
> they do put the program in /opt, you should not put the data files in the
> program folder.  No user account will have write privileges there.  Always
> put them in the user home folder as a default.  And of course the
> preferences can't go in /opt since they vary from user to user.
> 
> If you use revPrintField, check that it works as you expect.  In fact, 
> check all printing and font use thoroughly.  What sometimes happens is that
> label text can not fit exactly the same in fields from one distribution to
> another.  Its a good idea to leave more space than you think the text needs. 
> Its also a good idea to restrict yourself to fonts that you know will be
> available, or include them.  If you look at the font selection that ships
> with Debian or Fedora, you can be sure of always having them.  But you can't
> be sure of having the MS fonts, though people can get them. 
> 
> Also, remember that if it is widely distributed, you are sending it to a
> hugely variable population.  Ubuntu is not the only fruit.  And not only
> will they be running different distributions, they may be using different
> desktop environments within that.  Gnome is not the only desktop.  So before
> distributing at all widely,  have a machine with multiple boot installations
> of at least Mandriva, Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora and some Slackware
> derivative like Zenwalk.  Then within this make sure everything displays as
> expected on KDE 3.5, KDE 4.2, Gnome, and Xfce (which is the default on
> Zenwalk).  Mandriva One KDE is now shipping with KDE 4, so that's an easy
> way of testing that.  You will pick up Gnome with both Ubuntu and a default
> Debian install, and with Fedora, and Debian Lenny is still running KDE 3.5,
> so that's an easy way of testing that.   KDE 4 is significantly different
> from KDE 3.  They may also be running stuff like Fluxbox or similar, but if
> so, they will know what they are doing and you need not worry about that. 
> But ordinary users may be on either of the KDE flavors or Gnome.
> 
> People on the list seem to be very happy doing their testing on Parallels. 
> I'm no pro developer, but I would not.  I'd always boot in native mode to
> test a package for distribution.  Color me paranoid!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>>
>> .....So I guess the next question is what is the best method for
>> distribution?  Should I package my program into a custom made
>> wizard-style installer?  Or should I just gzip my program's folder and
>> let the user put the programs folder where they want?
>>
>> I'm fine with both methods, but I'm trying to find the method that works
>> best for each System.  On Windows, I have a Setup Wizard that creates
>> the Shortcuts, Uninstaller and places the program in the proper
>> location.  On the Mac, the user "drags" the program the Applications
>> folder.
>>
>> What method for Revolution Standalones is be best for Linux?
>>
>>
> 


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri May  1 11:18:52 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:18:52 +0100
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
In-Reply-To: <d5f.4adba31c.372c5c8b@aol.com>
References: <d5f.4adba31c.372c5c8b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905010818i6ae0cdbdmc2b65dd8f3a062db@mail.gmail.com>

Craig, I'm interested.  Can you post a URL for the supplier?  I'm
amazed that there are Rev externals for it.

Thanks,
Bernard

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:09 PM,  <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> I got one of these, a general purpose I/O device. It simply plugs into a
> USB port on a Mac. It is a stronger, though very similar version of the old
> Beehive "ADB I/O" device. Stronger mainly in that USB is much faster than
> Apple's ADB bus. It is completely self contained. Plug and play. It comes with
> externals for revolution, as well as other environments.
>
> It is a fabulous toy. Basically, a suite of rev commands and functions
> allows one to "write" (open and close output switch contacts) or "read" (detect
> the state of input switch contacts). There are also analog inputs with 12
> bit resolution, and pulse width modulation is implemented internally
>
> Almost anyone could create an alarm system, a light show or the like with
> radio shack components. You need hobby level electronic know-how to do
> anything really cool, but your Mac can completely control the world. It is
> hardware I/O for the rest of us.
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  1 11:32:28 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:32:28 -0700
Subject: Unknown Term
In-Reply-To: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
References: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11927477046.20090501083228@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Friday, May 1, 2009, 1:37:15 AM, you wrote:

> dropFile

group "Destination Drop Zone" of group "Background" of card
"CIRippleTransition" of stack "Core Image Visual Effects"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May  1 11:40:28 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 08:40:28 -0700
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
Message-ID: <49FB17EC.6070606@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:
> I got one of these, a general purpose I/O device. It simply plugs into a 
> USB port on a Mac. It is a stronger, though very similar version of the old 
> Beehive "ADB I/O" device. Stronger mainly in that USB is much faster than 
> Apple's ADB bus. It is completely self contained. Plug and play. It comes with 
> externals for revolution, as well as other environments.
> 
> It is a fabulous toy. Basically, a suite of rev commands and functions 
> allows one to "write" (open and close output switch contacts) or "read" (detect 
> the state of input switch contacts). There are also analog inputs with 12 
> bit resolution, and pulse width modulation is implemented internally
> 
> Almost anyone could create an alarm system, a light show or the like with 
> radio shack components. You need hobby level electronic know-how to do 
> anything really cool, but your Mac can completely control the world. It is 
> hardware I/O for the rest of us.

Way cool!  Thanks for posting that.  Somehow I'd missed it, but after 
your post I dug up RR's press release:
<http://www.runrev.com/company/press-release-archive/service-usb-plus/>

This caught my eye there:

    SERVICE USB plus is a proven, robust control technology in
    professional implementations for industry, tradeshows and
    entertainment. With this release, it can be used, for example,
    to drive special effects such as flashes or fog machines at
    concerts and tradeshows, directly from within Runtime
    Revolution applications.

Hmmm...I can envision all sorts of things I'd like to do for my next Rev 
seminar presentation.  With Rev and Service USB I can now replace Steve 
Jobs' entire support staff with some really cool robots to drive lights, 
projection, lasers, and a fog machine....  :)

Okay, there are a million more useful things that can be done with it, 
but I can dream can't I?

Don Rossi, is this not the thing you need to take CyberRave into the 
21st century?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May  1 12:25:02 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:25:02 EDT
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
Message-ID: <c9a.26f0bed4.372c7c5e@aol.com>

Sure. It's:

http://www.bkohg.com/index_e.html

Craig Newman


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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May  1 13:05:36 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:05:36 -0700
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
In-Reply-To: <49FB17EC.6070606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C62079F0.413C9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Don Rossi, is this not the thing you need to take CyberRave into the
> 21st century?

Dude, you have no idea...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri May  1 13:24:29 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:24:29 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?b?UmU6IEAgxaEgQCBo4oCaw5nigJrDmuKAnMKt4oCaKGMp4oCawrgg?=
	=?utf-8?b?aOKAmsOJIOKAmsW9w7vigJzDvOKAmsOw4oCcwr7igJrDhMW9KGMp4oCU?=
	=?utf-8?b?UuKAmsOIIMK2xaDLhuKAmsOwIEkgQCDFoQ==?=
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905011024j2ee1d768sd01ba3e59e767a5f@mail.gmail.com>

Unicode is working here, through my ISP then gmail. Except for the subject.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/4/11 ??????? <joho at vmx7.vmsv.net>

>
>
> ??????????????????????????????
>
> ????????????????????????
>
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>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  1 13:28:43 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 20:28:43 +0300
Subject: Unknown Term
In-Reply-To: <11927477046.20090501083228@ahsoftware.net>
References: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
	<11927477046.20090501083228@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <49FB314B.6040106@gmail.com>

Wow, Mark,

a fair old lot of excavation involved there to locate that.

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Friday, May 1, 2009, 1:37:15 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> dropFile
>>     
>
> group "Destination Drop Zone" of group "Background" of card
> "CIRippleTransition" of stack "Core Image Visual Effects"
>
>   



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  1 13:34:34 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 20:34:34 +0300
Subject: Switch or if
In-Reply-To: <000d01c9c1fa$fc23a8f0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000d01c9c1fa$fc23a8f0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <49FB32AA.1050908@gmail.com>

That's funny, I 'm sure this topic was discussed fairly exhaustively in 
April;
the topic being raised exactly by you "Camm" on Monday April 20.

So . . . what is the point of this?

customerservice at easyobdii.com wrote:
> Dear all ,
>
> Which is faster in execution
>
> SWITCH OR IF ?
>
> Regards
> Camm
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri May  1 13:49:57 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 01:49:57 +0800
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Judy, maybe the issue with custom properties is that they are so simple?
> There is almost nothing there to get your head around.
>

Right!

>
> The way to think of them is just fields.  Except.....


Except?

Scott Rossi wrote:

 You can think of custom properties as global variables that are tied to
> objects, instead of variables that float around in space.
>

With all due respect gentlemen, why is that for something so simple and
already understood, an analogy is used that is only tangentially related.

Judy, you know what properties are, you know how to set the text of a field,
set the textColour, get or set the height of a button/field/card/stack. You
know exactly what a property is, you've been dealing with them since your
very first HC days.

So lets say in your next Rev project you really really wished that a
field/button/card/stack had an extra property, that for you, and as far as
you can tell a whole heap of other people in education could really be
helped out if the Rev Team added this extra property to the current vast
list of properties button/fields/cards/stacks have; and so you put in an
enhancement request.

Well the fact is Rev has already granted your wish! Whatever you can
possible think of - questionText, answerText, theFirstColour,
theSecondColour, defaultLanguage, userLanguage, theWrongImage,
theRightImage, goodSound, badSound, theFemaleFormStack, theMaleFormStack,
windowsMediaPlayerDowloadURL, quickTimeDownloadURL, judyData, jacqueData,
whatever you want you can have. You name it whatever suits you and you use
it just like all the other properties you have ever dealt with.

Properties are like....properties, they are different to fields and they are
different to globals. Just as you can create
variables/button/fields/cards/stacks and give them their own names you can
create properties and give them their own names, at which point they are
referred to as custom properties, but at the end of the day it is still just
a property and you get it and set it just like every other property you've
dealt with.

As some have stated, if you do what you do with the knowledge that you have
then customProperties aren't going to be a big deal for you, but the thing
to remember is that ANYTIME you suddenly wish Cards could remember when they
were first opened, or last visited, the answer is, they can, you can create
such a property plus any other property your heart desires.

So for someone who hasn't used custom properties the only thing to get your
head around is WHEN they could come in handy. If you are fond of using
hidden fields to store data I'd suggest considering, can you create a custom
property called theHiddedFieldText and see if you can achieve the same
results. You can, and once you do you'll have that Ah Ha moment and you wont
turn back.

HTH


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May  1 14:08:35 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:08:35 -0600
Subject: Switch or if
In-Reply-To: <49FB32AA.1050908@gmail.com>
References: <000d01c9c1fa$fc23a8f0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<49FB32AA.1050908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64B0B88C-165F-48D4-98C5-B63E31B55A14@byu.edu>


On May 1, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> That's funny, I 'm sure this topic was discussed fairly exhaustively  
> in
> April;
> the topic being raised exactly by you "Camm" on Monday April 20.
>
> So . . . what is the point of this?

I think there may be some sort of mail server hiccup going on today,  
because I just got several messages from on or about that date.  
Anybody else?

devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May  1 14:09:48 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:09:48 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Kay C Lan wrote:

>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>
>>  You can think of custom properties as global variables that are tied to
>> objects, instead of variables that float around in space.
>> 
> 
> With all due respect gentlemen, why is that for something so simple and
> already understood, an analogy is used that is only tangentially related.

In my example, I used a global analogy because 1) setting/modifying custom
properties do not inherently make any visible changes in an object, unlike
textColor or other built-in object properties; and 2) many, many years ago,
I was in a similar situation as Judy, not able to grasp the what/why of
custom properties, and this analogy is one that would have helped me out at
that time.

The same was true for me with the concept of groups/backgrounds.  Coming to
MetaCard from SuperCard, I could not for the life of me understand why
something called a "background" could appear *in front* of another object.
It made no sense to me.  Only after getting more entrenched in the
environment did I start  to understand the how and why of groups, and it was
many months later that Richard Gaskin provided a description that made sense
to me: a background is just a group that may (or may not) be shared across
multiple cards.

(Why something called a "group" can contain only a single object is another
conundrum that I won't get into now.)

It's not a question of what should be "so simple", it's a question of what
helps someone grasp a concept.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  1 14:41:02 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>
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	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <23337886.post@talk.nabble.com>


It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these explanations
help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?

Peter

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  1 15:16:29 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 22:16:29 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <23337886.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<23337886.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <49FB4A8D.9030701@gmail.com>

Maybe I'm having conceptual problems, but a custom
property looks awfully like another container (such as a
variable or a field) rather than a property as such.

I realise that a custom property can be used as a data-source
more rapidly than a field because it doesn't come with all
the 'trappings' of an object. However, what is not clear to me
is whether I can access data stored in the custom property
of an object from a script in another, rather like the way I can
access data stored in a field on a different card to the one
I am 'calling' from.

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these explanations
> help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?
>
> Peter
>
>   



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  1 15:29:50 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:29:50 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FB4A8D.9030701@gmail.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<23337886.post@talk.nabble.com> <49FB4A8D.9030701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <425D7CA6-27EB-417B-8743-5DAD35F195A8@cox.net>

Richmond,

I may be all wet, but it seems to me that this custom Property thing  
is just Rev's way of saying you are able to provide a pointer/handle  
to some address in memory where all of the stuff you've put into it  
may be accessed, and do so rather easily. I said I didn't like the  
name, but that's not going to change, so??? I agree that the word  
"property" provides a totally different mindset.

Joe Wilkins

On May 1, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Maybe I'm having conceptual problems, but a custom
> property looks awfully like another container (such as a
> variable or a field) rather than a property as such.
>
> I realise that a custom property can be used as a data-source
> more rapidly than a field because it doesn't come with all
> the 'trappings' of an object. However, what is not clear to me
> is whether I can access data stored in the custom property
> of an object from a script in another, rather like the way I can
> access data stored in a field on a different card to the one
> I am 'calling' from.
>
> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>> It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these  
>> explanations
>> help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?
>>
>> Peter




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  1 15:49:34 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
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Yes.  You just refer to your custom property as 'the xxx of yyy' where xxx is
the name you gave it, and yyy is either the stack or the card it is a
property of.  The script in which you do this can be associated with any
object or event in the stack.

For instance, say you had a POS system and you did employee discounts.  You
might have a button with 'DISCOUNT' on it, perhaps on the order entry card. 
Your script would just do something like, on mouseup multiply the price of
the item by - and here comes the custom property - "the discount of this
stack".  The button could be on any card.  Or the event could be any event
associated with the stack.  Like it could be on openCard - whichever card
would be appropriate.  When the card is opened, for instance, do something
which will show the user "the warning_message of this stack".

Then you could do all the usual things, if you want them to be able to
change the discount level, you just get what they want to use, and "put it
into the discount of this stack".  Or if you are keeping track of events,
you can, every time the event happens, put some record of it "after the
eventlog of this stack".

This is the funny thing that drove me nuts until I suddenly saw it - there
is nothing to this, its the simplest thing in the world.  You just create
yourself a custom property using the property inspector of the stack or the
card - or I guess other objects too, though I have never done this.  And
then you put things in them, get things from them, filter them.  Whatever.

In the above example, you'd open the stack property inspector, pick the
custom properties item from the pulldown menu, and just create it,  and then
put the discount percentage in it.  Bingo!

Password, for instance.  Ask for the password and then if what is supplied
"is the adminpassword of this stack" let them into the admin page, otherwise
answer sorry, we got to have the correct password for this.

Its not a property in any normal sense of the word.  Its just a sort of
special field.  Yes, its a special sort of global variable as well.

But I do have the feeling that when people try to explain this to new users,
they need to do it in terms that the user already understands.  If you have
done anything, you have used a field, read a field, written to it and so on. 
So tell someone to think of the custom property as a sort of field, and they
will probably get it.  Global variables, properties, all that stuff just
made it more opaque in the beginning.  For me,

If this is wrong, one of the gurus please correct.  This is an amateur
blundering through it!

Peter


Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> .... However, what is not clear to me
> is whether I can access data stored in the custom property
> of an object from a script in another, rather like the way I can
> access data stored in a field on a different card to the one
> I am 'calling' from.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri May  1 15:55:44 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:55:44 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
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While "property" might not be the best name, I can't think of a name  
better suited, since  custom properties are persistent across  
sessions,  proprietary to an object, and the syntax is consistent with  
other object properties...  the height, the width, the visible, the  
cpWhatEver of button x.  It seems pretty simple and straightforward.   
What isn't intuitive is that a custom property can contain a stack,  
for example.  Cool, but not intuitive.   I mostly use them to keep  
variable contents or states  alive across sessions.

Mark


On May 1, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Richmond,
>
> I may be all wet, but it seems to me that this custom Property thing  
> is just Rev's way of saying you are able to provide a pointer/handle  
> to some address in memory where all of the stuff you've put into it  
> may be accessed, and do so rather easily. I said I didn't like the  
> name, but that's not going to change, so??? I agree that the word  
> "property" provides a totally different mindset.
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Maybe I'm having conceptual problems, but a custom
>> property looks awfully like another container (such as a
>> variable or a field) rather than a property as such.
>>
>> I realise that a custom property can be used as a data-source
>> more rapidly than a field because it doesn't come with all
>> the 'trappings' of an object. However, what is not clear to me
>> is whether I can access data stored in the custom property
>> of an object from a script in another, rather like the way I can
>> access data stored in a field on a different card to the one
>> I am 'calling' from.
>>
>> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>>> It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these  
>>> explanations
>>> help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?
>>>
>>> Peter
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  1 15:56:47 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:56:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905011256280.22849@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thank you, Scott.  Your explanation looks helpful :-)

Judy

On Fri, 1 May 2009, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Judy Perry wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out what new (to me) things are worth spending time
>> on this summer (worth = useful for me) and which are not.  I honestly do
>> not see myself doing 32,000 card stacks anytime soon as my little things
>> are just educational aids for my kids, so I thought I'd pick custom
>> properties since everyone seems to be of the opinion that they are the
>> bee's knees. Howevder, I need to see an example along the lines of the
>> sorts of things I'd be likely to use them for as well as an extremely
>> detailed set of instructions with explanations of why as well as how.
>
> Judy, maybe this analogy can help:
>
> You can think of custom properties as global variables that are tied to
> objects, instead of variables that float around in space.
>
> You know how to use globals, yes?  If you script:
>  global specialValues
>  put "a,b,c" into specialValues
>
> ...you've created a global variable named specialValues that is accessible
> everywhere in your stack.  And to use the contents of specialValues, you
> simply declare the variable and do something with it:
>   global specialValues
>   answer specialValues
>
> The above is similar for custom properties, except that you assign the
> "global" to an object:
>  set the specialValues of btn 1 to "a,b,c"
>
> In scripting this, you have created a custom property of button 1 called
> specialValues, and you can retrieve the contents of the property anywhere in
> your stack by referencing the object to which the property is attached:
>   answer the specialValues of btn 1
>
> Notice that you need to use the word "the" when accessing a custom property,
> the same way you would script "the backColor of btn 1" or "the width of btn
> 1".  Now, in addition to backColor and width properties, button 1 also has a
> specialValues property -- a property you created.
>
> So while a custom property is not a global variable from a semantic
> standpoint, it does behave a bit like a global variable, but one that is
> assigned to an object, and the object can be a control, a card, or a stack.
>
> I think this has been stated before, but one reason I use custom properties
> so often in my stacks is the values stored in them are persistent across
> sessions, whereas globals need to be populated each time.  I also like the
> fact that custom properties are no longer present after a stack is closed,
> unlike globals which hang around in memory until they are deleted or Rev is
> shut down.
>
> Finally, the association that can be made between and object and a custom
> property makes sense to me.  I can set the "bouncing" property of a ball
> image to true or false; if I have many ball images in a stack, they can all
> have the same "bouncing" property which I can check on an object-by-object
> basis.
>
> Hope you find this somewhat useful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From david at architex.tv  Fri May  1 16:11:37 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:11:37 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>

Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've returned a
list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>" elements
which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]", but as
"[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for escaping? Any
ideas?

2009/4/24 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>

> Any one know the way to escape characters such as "[" in patterns for the
> "filter" expression?
>


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  1 16:17:42 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <23337886.post@talk.nabble.com>
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Peter,

I had to run some errands and am now attending upon the termite eradicator 
;-)

Which is to say I'm still reading these mails.

Many kind thanks to all who have responded!

Judy

On Fri, 1 May 2009, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

>
> It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these explanations
> help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?
>
> Peter
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  1 16:18:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:18:47 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <2E2379B1-3BCE-4C3B-8C27-F28A9D9EA0D1@cruzio.com>
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Maybe my problem comes from taking the computer programming metaphor a 
bit too literally.

I think of properties as things that inhere in objects, some being 
necessary and some being
contingent; rather like people with functioning lungs (necessary) and 
ideas (contingent).

Now it seems that with 'custom property' I am expected to imagine 
objects that inhere in
other objects (e.g. stacks in custom properties).

Of course, once one abandons the standard metaphor and views custom 
properties as
pointers to drawers in a filing cabinet (or, even, maybe, the drawers 
themselves) everything
becomes clearer.

The term 'custom property' is misleading; it is like asking "Where is 
Axminster?" and then
wondering why they don't show you the bathroom.

Mark Swindell wrote:
> While "property" might not be the best name, I can't think of a name 
> better suited, since  custom properties are persistent across 
> sessions,  proprietary to an object, and the syntax is consistent with 
> other object properties...  the height, the width, the visible, the 
> cpWhatEver of button x.  It seems pretty simple and straightforward.  
> What isn't intuitive is that a custom property can contain a stack, 
> for example.  Cool, but not intuitive.   I mostly use them to keep 
> variable contents or states  alive across sessions.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Richmond,
>>
>> I may be all wet, but it seems to me that this custom Property thing 
>> is just Rev's way of saying you are able to provide a pointer/handle 
>> to some address in memory where all of the stuff you've put into it 
>> may be accessed, and do so rather easily. I said I didn't like the 
>> name, but that's not going to change, so??? I agree that the word 
>> "property" provides a totally different mindset.
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On May 1, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'm having conceptual problems, but a custom
>>> property looks awfully like another container (such as a
>>> variable or a field) rather than a property as such.
>>>
>>> I realise that a custom property can be used as a data-source
>>> more rapidly than a field because it doesn't come with all
>>> the 'trappings' of an object. However, what is not clear to me
>>> is whether I can access data stored in the custom property
>>> of an object from a script in another, rather like the way I can
>>> access data stored in a field on a different card to the one
>>> I am 'calling' from.
>>>
>>> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>>>> It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these 
>>>> explanations
>>>> help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  1 16:20:46 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:20:46 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905011316001.23846@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
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Message-ID: <49FB599E.400@gmail.com>

Presumably the 'termite eradicator' is the secret code name for the 
alpha version
of the new debugger being built into Runtime Revolution 4. :)

Judy Perry wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I had to run some errands and am now attending upon the termite 
> eradicator ;-)
>
> Which is to say I'm still reading these mails.
>
> Many kind thanks to all who have responded!
>
> Judy
>
> On Fri, 1 May 2009, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be nice to hear from Judy again.  Did any of these explanations
>> help?  And did you try using a custom property, and did it work?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://www.nabble.com/rev-dictionary-blocked-tp23316218p23337886.html
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  1 16:24:11 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FB599E.400@gmail.com>
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Thank you.  I needed that. ;-)

Judy

On Fri, 1 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Presumably the 'termite eradicator' is the secret code name for the alpha 
> version
> of the new debugger being built into Runtime Revolution 4. :)


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May  1 17:01:30 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:01:30 -0400
Subject: Blue Mango Data Grid Webinar Recording Posted
Message-ID: <C02D6698-642C-47FA-BCEE-6719035E7EAD@mangomultimedia.com>

We've posted the recording of the data grid webinar that my company  
did yesterday:

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/webinars/archives/revolution.html>

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  1 17:04:39 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:04:39 -0700
Subject: Unknown Term
In-Reply-To: <49FB314B.6040106@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <111947408640.20090501140439@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:28:43 AM, you wrote:

> a fair old lot of excavation involved there to locate that.

Not really. Here's the drill:

Open stack "Core Image Sampler" from the samples directory
open the Application Browser
Look at the objects in card 1 (the one that's currently displayed)
Find a name that sounds significant, like "Destination Drop Zone"
See if has a script (the number after the name)
View the script
See if there's a handler named "dropFile"

There's a similar one in group "Source Drop Zone" depending on whether
you're working with the Source Image or the Target Image.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri May  1 17:10:31 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:10:31 -0700
Subject: data grid code (what is wrong with this?) <etc>
In-Reply-To: <20090501201857.60C1948B188@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090501201857.60C1948B188@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <49FB6547.7060003@castandcrew.com>



Not sure what is up here, but suddenly a bunch of messages I posted
weeks ago (circa April 7th) have just shown up?

The problems were all solved.  The beta app is up and running and
users are testing and utilizing it.

The demo Wednesday of the working product went very well  (and it was
a chuckle to hear at corporate HQ how the Java guys are struggling
with getting some kind of Excel like object working in their stuff,
using Swing, and tearing hair).  Grin.

The users got everything they asked for - and of course, immediately
saw what new additional features they wanted!  Isn't that what's it's
all about?  Actually seeing something working helps them to know what
they really want.  Software is never done.

The CFO was impressed too.

Thanks again to all who helped me, and sorry for the old emails
hitting the list today.

Sadhu

 > use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
 >  )
 > 2. data grid continued (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 3. Re: data grid code (what is wrong with this?) (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 5. Re: sample data grid code (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 6. OT, shopping (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 7. shopping (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 8. shopping (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 9. shopping (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 10. Re: data grid code (color) (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 11. Re: data grid code (color) (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
 > 12. Re: data grid code (color) (Sadhunathan Nadesan)



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May  1 17:27:48 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:27:48 +1000
Subject: Switch or if
In-Reply-To: <64B0B88C-165F-48D4-98C5-B63E31B55A14@byu.edu>
References: <000d01c9c1fa$fc23a8f0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<49FB32AA.1050908@gmail.com>
	<64B0B88C-165F-48D4-98C5-B63E31B55A14@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905011427m60a8cdaw9edb1cd99e472a8d@mail.gmail.com>

> I think there may be some sort of mail server hiccup going on today, because
> I just got several messages from on or about that date. Anybody else?

Yes, I've got lots dated around April 15.

Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May  1 17:30:07 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:30:07 +1000
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905011430g6de459cas61240854aea95104@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:11 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've returned a
> list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>" elements
> which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]", but as
> "[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for escaping? Any
> ideas?


I had a similar case where I needed to include * in my filter string.
I ended up doing a replace, then filtering, then putting the *'s back again.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May  1 17:34:12 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:34:12 +1000
Subject: Unknown Term
In-Reply-To: <49FB314B.6040106@gmail.com>
References: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
	<11927477046.20090501083228@ahsoftware.net>
	<49FB314B.6040106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905011434l168cae8cv4604644de4109a65@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, Mark,
>
> a fair old lot of excavation involved there to locate that.

No if using GLX2 :-)

Open the script, right-click on dropFile and you're there.
It's one of the most fantastic features of GLX2 <http://glx2help.ning.com/>.

Cheers,
Sarah


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May  1 17:39:13 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:39:13 EDT
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 2 of N
Message-ID: <bfb.5710835b.372cc601@aol.com>

I remember when a button in HC was first (v.2.2) embellished into a 
container. This seemed silly, though the possibilities were intriguing. You might 
say that a new custom property, theContainerNess, was now built into this 
familiar object, and it could hold text.

So you then could "get btn myBtn", and the text would appear. This is not 
what buttons were made for, but it was just a simple disconnect from an old 
habit to embrace it.

I, early on (1987), thought commands and functions ruled, and properties 
were cute and useful but inherently of a lower class. I was wrong, and ever so 
much more so given custom properties.

Craig Newman


**************
Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from 
anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 
(http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May  1 17:33:16 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:33:16 EDT
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 2 of N
Message-ID: <bf0.4d757b9f.372cc49c@aol.com>

I remember when a button in HC was first (v.2.2) embellished into a 
container. This seemed silly, though the possibilities were intriguing. You might 
say that a new custom property, theContainerNess, was now built into this 
familiar object, and it could hold text.

So you then could "get btn myBtn", and the text would appear. This is not 
what buttons were made for, but it was just a simple disconnect from an old 
habit to embrace it.

I, early on (1987), thought commands and functions ruled, and properties 
were cute and useful but inherently of a lower class. I was wrong, and ever so 
much more so given custom properties.

Craig Newman


**************
Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from 
anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 
(http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)


From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri May  1 17:56:51 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:56:51 -0700
Subject: property inspector poll
In-Reply-To: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>
References: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>
Message-ID: <84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>

Thanks Craig, does it work with all objects, or just fields and buttons?

Are you all working with the stock property inspector where you have  
to access a menu to get to all the different property groups??!? Hard  
to believe!


On May 1, 2009, at 6:46 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

> My gadget is a rewrite of my HC development tool, though much smaller,
> since rev does many things it did, either better or natively. It is  
> useful, for
> me at least, especially in the early authoring stage. In HC it was
> implemented as an external window (Dan Gelder's "MegaWindow"). In  
> rev it is, of
> course, a stack. Maybe I will upload it to revOnLine, with  
> instructions. It seems
> stable, and does do some very handy tasks.
>
> Craig Newman
>
> In a message dated 4/30/09 8:49:43 PM, josh at dvcreators.net writes:
>
>
>> Hi Craig,
>>
>> Where would I find more info on your gadget?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
>
>
> **************
> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003 
> )
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri May  1 18:06:55 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:06:55 -0700
Subject: mime type for revolution stack? (for "go stack URL")
Message-ID: <1EA69C0C-05D2-41B1-A40C-83E5EE5FE742@dvcreators.net>

When trying "go stack URL" with our main server (Apache), we get either:

stack is too new

or

stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file


Yet when we try our test server (Dreamhost) with the same stack it  
works fine. I assume this is because Dreamhost has a mime type  
configured for files with the ".rev" extension?


Does anyone know what to put in the server mime types for Revolution  
stacks so that "go stack URL" will work?


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  1 18:15:20 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:15:20 -0700
Subject: Unknown Term
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905011434l168cae8cv4604644de4109a65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49FAB4BB.4060308@gmail.com>
	<11927477046.20090501083228@ahsoftware.net>
	<49FB314B.6040106@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860905011434l168cae8cv4604644de4109a65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6951649406.20090501151520@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:34:12 PM, you wrote:

> Open the script, right-click on dropFile and you're there.
> It's one of the most fantastic features of GLX2 <http://glx2help.ning.com/>.

To be fair, I was trying to show the long-division way of getting
there rather than flaunt how much easier it is in glx2 <g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri May  1 18:24:08 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:24:08 -0700
Subject: mime type for revolution stack? (for "go stack URL")
In-Reply-To: <1EA69C0C-05D2-41B1-A40C-83E5EE5FE742@dvcreators.net>
References: <1EA69C0C-05D2-41B1-A40C-83E5EE5FE742@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <EDFE919F-1293-478F-B9FC-B5D605E71847@dvcreators.net>

Weird, it just started working.

On May 1, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> When trying "go stack URL" with our main server (Apache), we get  
> either:
>
> stack is too new
>
> or
>
> stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file
>
>
> Yet when we try our test server (Dreamhost) with the same stack it  
> works fine. I assume this is because Dreamhost has a mime type  
> configured for files with the ".rev" extension?
>
>
> Does anyone know what to put in the server mime types for Revolution  
> stacks so that "go stack URL" will work?
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  1 19:19:45 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:19:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FB5927.1070002@gmail.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<EC7E8E64-9D61-4467-A6D6-4BA43A0A5813@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301113530.10350@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>
	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com> <23337886.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<49FB4A8D.9030701@gmail.com>
	<425D7CA6-27EB-417B-8743-5DAD35F195A8@cox.net>
	<2E2379B1-3BCE-4C3B-8C27-F28A9D9EA0D1@cruzio.com>
	<49FB5927.1070002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905011604050.26930@ecs.fullerton.edu>

On Fri, 1 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
<snip>

> Of course, once one abandons the standard metaphor and views custom 
> properties as
> pointers to drawers in a filing cabinet (or, even, maybe, the drawers 
> themselves) everything
> becomes clearer.
>
> The term 'custom property' is misleading; it is like asking "Where is 
> Axminster?" and then
> wondering why they don't show you the bathroom.

--Well, yes, especially that last part, wherein I felt rather like I was 
being asked to interact with invisible magic things, only, when they're 
invisible how will I know them when I see them?  I mean, I literally 
didn't know what step 1 was supposed to be.  I had a vague, fuzzy notion 
of what they were supposed to do but not how they did it.

So, anyway, I did one.  Yay me!

I dunno... I still like cards.  I like things that I can see, have mass 
and/or take up space. ;-)

Many thanks again to all who replied, and special thanks to the ChatRev 
twins who displayed admirable restraint in NOT reaching through the tubes 
of the internet to strangle the life out of me ;-)

Judy


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Fri May  1 20:00:56 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 01:00:56 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905011430g6de459cas61240854aea95104@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860905011430g6de459cas61240854aea95104@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905011700r70516825rb632db4cabdcd2cc@mail.gmail.com>

OK - thanks!

2009/5/1 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>

> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:11 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> > Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've returned
> a
> > list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>"
> elements
> > which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]", but as
> > "[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for escaping?
> Any
> > ideas?
>
>
> I had a similar case where I needed to include * in my filter string.
> I ended up doing a replace, then filtering, then putting the *'s back
> again.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May  1 20:07:33 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 10:07:33 +1000
Subject: On-Rev scripting
Message-ID: <f99b52860905011707m3030ea7ardcd6a481d4ccf48f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have been playing around with on-rev, testing various things,
learning how to write these scripts and having heaps of fun. Since we
are all learning, I thought it would be useful to share what I have
done, so I made a page that looks for all the irev files on my site
and lists them out as links to the page and with links to show the
actual scripts.

Check it out here <http://troz.on-rev.com/> and feel free to copy
whatever you find useful (at your own risk).

My latest page shows the calendar for a month
<http://troz.on-rev.com/calendar.irev>.

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. Sorry to people on the On-Rev forums for the cross-posting, but I
know not everyone reads forums.


From tereza at califex.com  Fri May  1 20:45:46 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:45:46 -0500
Subject: On-Rev scripting
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905011707m3030ea7ardcd6a481d4ccf48f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905011707m3030ea7ardcd6a481d4ccf48f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66DBAD6E-8F2B-4AC1-A67E-68FA87D85A95@califex.com>


On May 1, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have been playing around with on-rev, testing various things,
> learning how to write these scripts and having heaps of fun. Since we
> are all learning, I thought it would be useful to share what I have
> done, so I made a page that looks for all the irev files on my site
> and lists them out as links to the page and with links to show the
> actual scripts.

...

Hi Sarah,

I visited your site and the ease of scripting is really appealing. I  
can't wait to get started! I noticed that in the 3 "include" files,  
you have a block of functions that begin with "<?rev", but I don't see  
the final "?>". Is it "really" there, but not showing for a technical  
reason? or not needed?


t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri May  1 21:25:38 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:25:38 +0800
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <2E2379B1-3BCE-4C3B-8C27-F28A9D9EA0D1@cruzio.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<05E4C789-8455-49B2-828D-A49F082BBEC3@elementarysoftware.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<23329501.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>
	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<23337886.post@talk.nabble.com> <49FB4A8D.9030701@gmail.com>
	<425D7CA6-27EB-417B-8743-5DAD35F195A8@cox.net>
	<2E2379B1-3BCE-4C3B-8C27-F28A9D9EA0D1@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905011825l5c1b1e5cw52030abab5989a30@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com> wrote:

> While "property" might not be the best name, I can't think of a name better
> suited, since  custom properties are persistent across sessions,
>  proprietary to an object, and the syntax is consistent with other object
> properties...  the height, the width, the visible, the cpWhatEver of button
> x.  It seems pretty simple and straightforward.  What isn't intuitive is
> that a custom property can contain a stack, for example.  Cool, but not
> intuitive.   I mostly use them to keep variable contents or states  alive
> across sessions.
>

Basically with you Mark except I do think that Custom Property is a very
good name :-)

IMO what isn't intuitive is when you can use them, especially use them to
your advantage. When I read the explanations by others above what I see is
people saying 'I can use them like a field (hidden)' or 'I can use them like
a global' they are not really explaining what they are, but how they have
come to use them.

Scott wrote:

In my example, I used a global analogy because 1) setting/modifying custom
properties do not inherently make any visible changes in an object, unlike
textColor or other built-in object properties;


Whilst this is generally true, there are object properties that don't have
an immediate visible effect, such as the dontSearch, travesalOn or autoTab
of a field or the acceleratorKey of a button. Stacks come with alwaysBuffer,
destroyStack and cantDelete. Then there are the really invisible properties
such as itemDelimiter and defaultFolder. If you can understand and work with
these you can work with Custom Properties.

Richmond wrote:

The term 'custom property' is misleading; it is like asking "Where is
> Axminster?" and then
> wondering why they don't show you the bathroom.
>

What? This is like saying  I "put the itemDelimiter into oldDelim" and am
now wondering why oldDelim doesn't contain the path to the defaultFolder.
There is nothing misleading about what a property of an object is, when you
ask for an object's property you get that property back, be it an inbuilt
property or one you've created.

Judy lamented:

--Well, yes, especially that last part, wherein I felt rather like I was
> being asked to interact with invisible magic things, only, when they're
> invisible how will I know them when I see them?  I mean, I literally didn't
> know what step 1 was supposed to be.  I had a vague, fuzzy notion of what
> they were supposed to do but not how they did it.
>
> So, anyway, I did one.  Yay me!
>
> I dunno... I still like cards.  I like things that I can see, have mass
> and/or take up space. ;-)
>

But you can see them, they do have mass and take up space, there is an
entire Property Inspector tab devoted to the space taken up with custom
properties you create.

You can't see the raw htmlText of a field, but if you can get your head
around how that magic works you should find custom properties a lot easier
to work with because you can look at them and see exactly what they are.

You can get and set the text of field 1 (inbuilt and visible in the PI)
You can get and set the htmlText of  field 1 (inbuilt but not visible as raw
html in the PI)
You could create the xmlText of field 1
You could create the csvText of field 1
You could create the englishText of field 1
You could create the latinText of field 1

The last four cases would be visible in the PI and could be edited from
within the PI (unlike the htmlText), they are very real, and if you fill
them with the complete works of William Shakespear, they'll take up a lot of
space.

With enlishText/latinText, you could, depending on user interaction, display
the text as is:

 set the text of field 1 to the latinText of field 1

Or, in the case of xmlText/csvText, parse the text before displaying it,
much like the Engine currently does for htmlText

put the csvText of field 1 into tempStore
replace comma with tab in tempStore
set the text of field 1 to tempStore

Again, when your Ah Ha moment comes you'll know exactly what custom
properties are, how to work with them, how to see their contents,
everything, because you have already been working with the magic of
properties and the PI for a very long time. The only magic you don't
understand right now is what you are doing right now that could be done with
custom properties.

My analogy for custom properties is they are like properties that you don't
know exist. Take the defaultMenubar for instance. You could spend years
makeing the exact same menubar for all your MainStacks and subStacks. It
works for you, they are real, you know how to amend them - it's a lot of
work in you need to add a menu item to the menuBar of 7 substacks.

When someone tells you that there's a property 'the defaultMenubar' which
allows you to build one menuBar and have it appear for any substack you know
you can use that to your advantage, you know how to use it because you've
used other properties. You'll also wish someone told you about it  years ago
;-)

HTH


From coiin at rcn.com  Fri May  1 21:28:18 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:28:18 -0400
Subject: On-Rev scripting
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905011707m3030ea7ardcd6a481d4ccf48f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905011707m3030ea7ardcd6a481d4ccf48f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E445CBA-71EE-4751-8F77-641C7AEAF253@rcn.com>


On May 1, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Check it out here <http://troz.on-rev.com/> and feel free to copy
> whatever you find useful (at your own risk).


Thanks for those.




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  1 21:33:19 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905011825l5c1b1e5cw52030abab5989a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
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	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>
	<C62088FC.413E5%scott@tactilemedia.com> <23337886.post@talk.nabble.com>
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	<425D7CA6-27EB-417B-8743-5DAD35F195A8@cox.net>
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Kay,

You assume I know more than I do ;-)  And you know what happens when you 
assume...

:-P

Still, points well taken.

Judy

On Sat, 2 May 2009, Kay C Lan wrote:

> You can't see the raw htmlText of a field, but if you can get your head
> around how that magic works you should find custom properties a lot easier
> to work with because you can look at them and see exactly what they are.
>
> You can get and set the text of field 1 (inbuilt and visible in the PI)
> You can get and set the htmlText of  field 1 (inbuilt but not visible as raw
> html in the PI)
> You could create the xmlText of field 1
> You could create the csvText of field 1
> You could create the englishText of field 1
> You could create the latinText of field 1
>
> The last four cases would be visible in the PI and could be edited from
> within the PI (unlike the htmlText), they are very real, and if you fill
> them with the complete works of William Shakespear, they'll take up a lot of
> space.
>
> With enlishText/latinText, you could, depending on user interaction, display
> the text as is:
>
> set the text of field 1 to the latinText of field 1
>
> Or, in the case of xmlText/csvText, parse the text before displaying it,
> much like the Engine currently does for htmlText
>
> put the csvText of field 1 into tempStore
> replace comma with tab in tempStore
> set the text of field 1 to tempStore
>
> Again, when your Ah Ha moment comes you'll know exactly what custom
> properties are, how to work with them, how to see their contents,
> everything, because you have already been working with the magic of
> properties and the PI for a very long time. The only magic you don't
> understand right now is what you are doing right now that could be done with
> custom properties.
>
> My analogy for custom properties is they are like properties that you don't
> know exist. Take the defaultMenubar for instance. You could spend years
> makeing the exact same menubar for all your MainStacks and subStacks. It
> works for you, they are real, you know how to amend them - it's a lot of
> work in you need to add a menu item to the menuBar of 7 substacks.
>
> When someone tells you that there's a property 'the defaultMenubar' which
> allows you to build one menuBar and have it appear for any substack you know
> you can use that to your advantage, you know how to use it because you've
> used other properties. You'll also wish someone told you about it  years ago
> ;-)
>
> HTH


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  1 22:09:28 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:09:28 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905011825l5c1b1e5cw52030abab5989a30@mail.gmail.com>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0904301725240.12801@ecs.fullerton.edu>
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	<f73a98160905011049x5c818c3l9609eb148d484605@mail.gmail.com>
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Kay-

Friday, May 1, 2009, 6:25:38 PM, you wrote:

> My analogy for custom properties is they are like properties that you don't
> know exist.

Exactly.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May  1 22:26:54 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:26:54 +1000
Subject: On-Rev scripting
In-Reply-To: <66DBAD6E-8F2B-4AC1-A67E-68FA87D85A95@califex.com>
References: <f99b52860905011707m3030ea7ardcd6a481d4ccf48f@mail.gmail.com>
	<66DBAD6E-8F2B-4AC1-A67E-68FA87D85A95@califex.com>
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>> I have been playing around with on-rev, testing various things,
>> learning how to write these scripts and having heaps of fun. Since we
>> are all learning, I thought it would be useful to share what I have
>> done, so I made a page that looks for all the irev files on my site
>> and lists them out as links to the page and with links to show the
>> actual scripts.
>
> ...
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> I visited your site and the ease of scripting is really appealing. I can't
> wait to get started! I noticed that in the 3 "include" files, you have a
> block of functions that begin with "<?rev", but I don't see the final "?>".
> Is it "really" there, but not showing for a technical reason? or not needed?
>

According to Mark W. we are supposed to leave off the final ?> in
include files that contain only Rev code.
Here is a link to his engine notes:
<http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt>
I found this file really good for getting started.

Cheers,
Sarah


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat May  2 01:00:37 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:00:37 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AEE83D95-A7FB-455B-A502-FEBDF6CA0D47@elementarysoftware.com>


On May 1, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> You can think of custom properties as global variables that are tied  
> to
> objects, instead of variables that float around in space.

That's exactly how I think of them.  Just containers.  Except  
variables  float around in space (local space or global space rather  
than outer space), where custom properties you have to say where the  
container lives (button 3 of card 1 or stack "MainWindow" rather than  
in the shed)

Scott Morrow
Elementary Software



From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat May  2 02:09:23 2009
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:09:23 +0800
Subject: property inspector poll
In-Reply-To: <84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>
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	<84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>
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Check out the plug-in included with Rev called SmartProperties.
I've noticed it is generating a script error probably due to some
change in Rev but it should be pretty easy to fix I would think

2009/5/2 Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net>:
> Thanks Craig, does it work with all objects, or just fields and buttons?
>
> Are you all working with the stock property inspector where you have to
> access a menu to get to all the different property groups??!? Hard to
> believe!
>
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 6:46 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>
>> My gadget is a rewrite of my HC development tool, though much smaller,
>> since rev does many things it did, either better or natively. It is
>> useful, for
>> me at least, especially in the early authoring stage. In HC it was
>> implemented as an external window (Dan Gelder's "MegaWindow"). In rev it
>> is, of
>> course, a stack. Maybe I will upload it to revOnLine, with instructions.
>> It seems
>> stable, and does do some very handy tasks.
>>
>> Craig Newman
>>
>> In a message dated 4/30/09 8:49:43 PM, josh at dvcreators.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>> Where would I find more info on your gadget?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  2 03:25:22 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 10:25:22 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <AEE83D95-A7FB-455B-A502-FEBDF6CA0D47@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AEE83D95-A7FB-455B-A502-FEBDF6CA0D47@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <49FBF562.2030501@gmail.com>

It may be, of course, that the containers, cards and flip-book metaphor have
had their day. It is obvious in this discussion that those of us who 
have hung
on to it too literally have found ourselves confused.

However, unless we (the loyal, installed user base) and Runtime Revolution
(the people who do the 'real' work in Edinburgh) can work our way towards
another metaphor to replace the one that we are slowly finding no longer
serves our purposes we are going to find ourselves in some sort of
conceptual quagmire; and, frankly, people who take up Runtime Revolution
are going to find it less accessible.

The problem about the word 'property' is that it now seems to be being used
in 2 rather different senses, and I don't see how 'custom' can be 
classed as a
sufficiently strong adjectival modifier to justify that difference.

There is no reason that I can see to abandon the containers, cards and 
flip-book metaphor
(even if, increasingly, programmers are only using a single card) if we 
realise that:

An Object (Stack, Card, Button, Field . . . and so on) can 'contain' a 
number of things:

script
sub-ordinate objects
etc.

and, 'custom properties'.  :(

An Object can have properties (textColor, backgroundColor, visible . . . 
and so on).

The ONLY problem is that something named 'property' is something that can be
contained rather than be a property: so, either, somebody has to cook up 
a new
name for 'custom properties' (err . . . 'custom thingy' . . . err . . . 
come on, somebody
can do better than that), or, somebody has to write a fairly long bit 
about how
users have to do mental backflips.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course, if you did not 'cut your teeth', or, at least 'cut your adult 
teeth' (having
ruined your milk teeth on the likes of Fortran) on HyperCard and the 
containers,
cards and flip-book metaphor, and you are not distracted by the stuff 
about that
metaphor in RR's documentation, the whole problem is redundant.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The other problem is that I just had a look at "a" website marketing "a"
programming environment that stated:

"The unique English-like language . . ." [my dots]

Now, if we start using words (such as 'property') for things or ideas 
that are way off
from their standard or prototypical meanings there is a danger that we 
shall fall into
Humpty-Dumptyism (c.f. Lewis Carroll's 'Alice in Wonderland'); and the 
'unique'
part of that quote above will only serve to obfuscate rather than clarify.

---

Scott Morrow wrote:
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> You can think of custom properties as global variables that are tied to
>> objects, instead of variables that float around in space.
>
> That's exactly how I think of them.  Just containers.  Except 
> variables  float around in space (local space or global space rather 
> than outer space), where custom properties you have to say where the 
> container lives (button 3 of card 1 or stack "MainWindow" rather than 
> in the shed)
>
> Scott Morrow
> Elementary Software
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat May  2 03:29:49 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 08:29:49 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
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does this work?

filter tXmlText with "*tr[[2]]"

When you wrote to the list about this problem before, I did a quick
test and that seemed to work, so I thought "maybe I don't get the
problem".

I'm not sure if it will work using "[[*]]"

Bernard

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've returned a
> list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>" elements
> which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]", but as
> "[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for escaping? Any
> ideas?
>
> 2009/4/24 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>
>
>> Any one know the way to escape characters such as "[" in patterns for the
>> "filter" expression?
>>
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat May  2 03:42:09 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:42:09 +0200
Subject: rev dictionary blocked
In-Reply-To: <D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
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Le 30 avr. 09 ? 17:49, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> I have no clue what it could be, but as the docu is all rev code,  
> you could theoretically try to find a fix yourself...
>
> If you'd rather just have the documentation without doing any  
> coding, and reinstalling rev is too hassle some, maybe i can  
> persuade you to try my documentation replacement:
>
> http://bjoernke.com/runrev/bvgdocu.php
>
>
> have fun
> Bj?rnke
>
>
something seems to be broken with version 3.5. using my dict stack  
(and your own bvgdocu); the dictionnary stacks were created but  
"parentscript" could not be found; although it appears in revolution's  
dictionnay. In bvgdocu, there lacks a link between the index entry  
"parentscript property" and the appropriate doc.

Best,
	Fran?ois




From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat May  2 04:22:05 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 10:22:05 +0200
Subject: rev dictionary blocked
In-Reply-To: <8D86AE55-C98C-421A-BC1C-688ED6EE8F8F@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<8D86AE55-C98C-421A-BC1C-688ED6EE8F8F@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <E820579E-A490-4A20-9EF4-CADD82713ACF@mines-paristech.fr>

> something seems to be broken with version 3.5. using my dict stack  
> (and your own bvgdocu); the dictionnary stacks were created but  
> "parentscript" could not be found; although it appears in  
> revolution's dictionnay. In bvgdocu, there lacks a link between the  
> index entry "parentscript property" and the appropriate doc.
>
> Best,
> 	Fran?ois
>
actually I did a spotlight search for "parentscript" and found a  
couple of XML files. In my stack (which use Bj?rke's library),  
"parentscript property" point to "behavior property"; "parentscript"  
sits there as a synonym.
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but there does not seem to be any  
entry with "datagrid" in it. Will this be for a next update?
Best,
	Fran?ois



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  2 04:51:59 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 11:51:59 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
Message-ID: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>

I set up a stack with a button "Holder" which contains 3 custom properties:

dataDish
custardPie
sexyMessage

containing, respectively, tab-delimited data, a number, and a string.

All very straightforward . . .

However, when I tried this:

on mouseUp
  put the customProperties of btn "Holder" into fld "fPROPS"
end mouseUp

nothing happened, and, confusingly, I had to do this instead:

on mouseUp
  put the customKeys of btn "Holder" into fld "fPROPS"
end mouseUp

at which point I got a list of the names of the customProperties of
button "Holder".

Dumb Q:  why do we have to use 'customKeys', while 'customProperties'
refers to something else?

'userProperties' doesn't seem particularly clearer.

'customPropertySet' made me run away into the kitchen for a strong cup
of coffee:

"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum."


From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat May  2 05:07:03 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:07:03 +0200
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31A88B41-DE47-4730-8604-584EFFD45020@gmail.com>


Le 2 mai 09 ? 10:51, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> However, when I tried this:
>
> on mouseUp
>  put the customProperties of btn "Holder" into fld "fPROPS"
> end mouseUp
>
> nothing happened, and, confusingly, I had to do this instead:

customProperties gives you an array !

> on mouseUp
>  put the customKeys of btn "Holder" into fld "fPROPS"
> end mouseUp
>
> at which point I got a list of the names of the customProperties of
> button "Holder".

the *names* are in fact the keys of the customproperties.


In Revolution User Guide, chapter 7.9 all this is explain quite  
well.....


HTH,
Thierry



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat May  2 07:26:50 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:26:50 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905020029u1d9456edkf5b1c4a73815573e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905020029u1d9456edkf5b1c4a73815573e@mail.gmail.com>
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Afraid not :(

2009/5/2 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> does this work?
>
> filter tXmlText with "*tr[[2]]"
>
> When you wrote to the list about this problem before, I did a quick
> test and that seemed to work, so I thought "maybe I don't get the
> problem".
>
> I'm not sure if it will work using "[[*]]"
>
> Bernard
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> > Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've returned
> a
> > list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>"
> elements
> > which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]", but as
> > "[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for escaping?
> Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > 2009/4/24 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>
> >
> >> Any one know the way to escape characters such as "[" in patterns for
> the
> >> "filter" expression?
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  2 10:58:40 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:58:40 -0700
Subject: rev dictionary blocked
In-Reply-To: <E820579E-A490-4A20-9EF4-CADD82713ACF@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<8D86AE55-C98C-421A-BC1C-688ED6EE8F8F@mines-paristech.fr>
	<E820579E-A490-4A20-9EF4-CADD82713ACF@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <901011849359.20090502075840@ahsoftware.net>

Fran?ois-

Saturday, May 2, 2009, 1:22:05 AM, you wrote:

> actually I did a spotlight search for "parentscript" and found a
> couple of XML files. In my stack (which use Bj?rke's library),  
> "parentscript property" point to "behavior property"; "parentscript"
> sits there as a synonym.

The keyword "parentscript" was used in some early 3.5 betas as a
synonym for "behavior", but its use is now deprecated and really
shouldn't be used in scripts. See the Note at the end of the entry for
behavior in the dictionary.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  2 12:47:15 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 11:47:15 -0500
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FBF562.2030501@gmail.com>
References: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<AEE83D95-A7FB-455B-A502-FEBDF6CA0D47@elementarysoftware.com>
	<49FBF562.2030501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FC7913.1030405@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> The ONLY problem is that something named 'property' is something that 
> can be
> contained rather than be a property: so, either, somebody has to cook up 
> a new
> name for 'custom properties' (err . . . 'custom thingy' . . . err . . . 
> come on, somebody
> can do better than that), or, somebody has to write a fairly long bit 
> about how
> users have to do mental backflips.

I don't think the shoe has dropped for you yet. *All* properties contain 
something, and all are assigned to a specific object (the assignment is 
what you are calling "contained by", which probably isn't exactly the 
right concept.) Every native property has both a name and a value, and 
is attached to an object. Custom properties are no different. The native 
property called "name" contains a string like "myName" and is assigned 
to the object that has that name. The property "textColor" contains an 
RGB value and is assigned to a button or field you are asking about. The 
property "location" contains a set of 2 numbers and is assigned to the 
object at that location. The property "myCustomProp" contains whatever 
value you want to give it and is assigned to any object you choose.

There is no practical difference, and all are properties. The only thing 
that is effectively different is that you can invent your own property 
names, assign them to an object of your choice, and fill them with any 
value you want to store.

It really is simpler than you're trying to make it. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  2 12:50:05 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23348175.post@talk.nabble.com>


Richmond, I think you may be making it too complicated.  You are right about
the terminology of course, it doesn't help.

I've never found any need to create a custom property of a button and find
it a bit hard to guess why one would.  But in any case, if you want to
experiment with CPs, why not just start out creating custom properties of
the stack, then you can always refer to them as 'the xxx of this stack'. 
Then putting and reading and so on works just fine in the usual way.

There is probably a lot more to it than this, but just to start out with, it
really is this simple.  Also, if all your CPs are properties of the stack
they are all in one place and will not wander off and get lost which makes
life simpler.

Peter

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  2 13:49:37 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 12:49:37 -0500
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> I set up a stack with a button "Holder" which contains 3 custom properties:
> 
> dataDish
> custardPie
> sexyMessage
> 
> containing, respectively, tab-delimited data, a number, and a string.
> 
> All very straightforward . . .
> 
> However, when I tried this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  put the customProperties of btn "Holder" into fld "fPROPS"
> end mouseUp
> 
> nothing happened, and, confusingly, I had to do this instead:

As was mentioned, sets of properties are stored as arrays. If you 
inspect the array itself, you'll see your data.

Let's try something simple. Suppose you have a card with lots of buttons 
that the user can move around; maybe your script uses the "grab" command 
to let them drag the butons. Now you want a way to reset the card to its 
native state that puts all the buttons back to their original positions.

Buttons have a "loc" property, but that only stores the current position 
of the button at this moment, and the engine will update that value 
every time the button moves. There isn't any native property that tells 
you where the button started from, but we can make a custom property 
that does that. We'll call it the "startLoc" and each moveable button 
will need to have that property assigned to it. Before the user has a 
chance to drag anything (maybe during development, or during 
preopencard) you run a little handler that sets that property for each 
button:

on setBtnLocs
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of btns
     set the startLoc of btn x to the loc of btn x
   end repeat
end setBtnLocs

Now each button has a custom property called "startLoc", and the value 
of the property for each button is it's current position.

Now you're ready to grab the buttons and move them all around till 
nothing is in the right place any more. Then you can click a "Reset" 
button which puts them all back with this simple script:

  on mouseUp
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of btns
    set the loc of btn x to the startLoc of btn x
   end repeat
end mouseUp

Your custom property "startLoc" acts just like any other property. The 
only difference is that the engine doesn't create or update it, you do.

I can think of several other ways to store each button's start position, 
but none of them are this simple, and none of them tie the correct value 
to each button individually the way having a custom property does. The 
startLoc of each button becomes an integral attribute of the button just 
like its color or its name, and is the only way to accomplish this 
example with any degree of efficiency.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat May  2 14:29:42 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:29:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC7913.1030405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AEE83D95-A7FB-455B-A502-FEBDF6CA0D47@elementarysoftware.com>
	<49FBF562.2030501@gmail.com> <49FC7913.1030405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021129260.1817@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Nice explanation, Jacque!

Judy

On Sat, 2 May 2009, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I don't think the shoe has dropped for you yet. *All* properties contain 
> something, and all are assigned to a specific object (the assignment is what 
> you are calling "contained by", which probably isn't exactly the right 
> concept.) Every native property has both a name and a value, and is attached 
> to an object. Custom properties are no different. The native property called 
> "name" contains a string like "myName" and is assigned to the object that has 
> that name. The property "textColor" contains an RGB value and is assigned to 
> a button or field you are asking about. The property "location" contains a 
> set of 2 numbers and is assigned to the object at that location. The property 
> "myCustomProp" contains whatever value you want to give it and is assigned to 
> any object you choose.
>
> There is no practical difference, and all are properties. The only thing that 
> is effectively different is that you can invent your own property names, 
> assign them to an object of your choice, and fill them with any value you 
> want to store.
>
> It really is simpler than you're trying to make it. :)
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat May  2 14:33:24 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com> <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021131230.1817@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Aha!

Now THAT's something I could find useful! (celebrating little aha moment). 
Thank you!

:-D

Judy

On Sat, 2 May 2009, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Let's try something simple. Suppose you have a card with lots of buttons that 
> the user can move around; maybe your script uses the "grab" command to let 
> them drag the butons. Now you want a way to reset the card to its native 
> state that puts all the buttons back to their original positions.
>
> Buttons have a "loc" property, but that only stores the current position of 
> the button at this moment, and the engine will update that value every time 
> the button moves. There isn't any native property that tells you where the 
> button started from, but we can make a custom property that does that.




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat May  2 15:03:38 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:03:38 -0700
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905020426l3b266c80ld721b371f21f50e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905020029u1d9456edkf5b1c4a73815573e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905020426l3b266c80ld721b371f21f50e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AA8A48A-8217-4BA6-9EA1-688E0532E6BC@yahoo.com>

The technique I have used in the past is to do a

replace "[" with "?" in blockOfLines
replace "]" with "^" in blockOfLines
filter blockOfLines without "tr??*^^"
--and in case there are kept lines that had the '[]' chars
replace "?" with "[" in blockOfLines
replace "^" with "]" in blockOfLines


Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On May 2, 2009, at 4:26 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Afraid not :(
>
> 2009/5/2 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
>
>> does this work?
>>
>> filter tXmlText with "*tr[[2]]"
>>
>> When you wrote to the list about this problem before, I did a quick
>> test and that seemed to work, so I thought "maybe I don't get the
>> problem".
>>
>> I'm not sure if it will work using "[[*]]"
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv>  
>> wrote:
>>> Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've  
>>> returned
>> a
>>> list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>"
>> elements
>>> which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]",  
>>> but as
>>> "[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for  
>>> escaping?
>> Any
>>> ideas?
>>>
>>> 2009/4/24 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>
>>>
>>>> Any one know the way to escape characters such as "[" in patterns  
>>>> for
>> the
>>>> "filter" expression?



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat May  2 15:10:38 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 21:10:38 +0200
Subject: rev dictionary blocked
In-Reply-To: <901011849359.20090502075840@ahsoftware.net>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<8D86AE55-C98C-421A-BC1C-688ED6EE8F8F@mines-paristech.fr>
	<E820579E-A490-4A20-9EF4-CADD82713ACF@mines-paristech.fr>
	<901011849359.20090502075840@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <B4DEAB05-3C4E-415A-A35F-B76DC35548C7@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 2 mai 09 ? 16:58, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> Fran?ois-
>
> Saturday, May 2, 2009, 1:22:05 AM, you wrote:
>
>> actually I did a spotlight search for "parentscript" and found a
>> couple of XML files. In my stack (which use Bj?rke's library),
>> "parentscript property" point to "behavior property"; "parentscript"
>> sits there as a synonym.
>
> The keyword "parentscript" was used in some early 3.5 betas as a
> synonym for "behavior", but its use is now deprecated and really
> shouldn't be used in scripts. See the Note at the end of the entry for
> behavior in the dictionary.
>

thank you very much. Actually this started from a rev PDF entitled  
"REVOLUTION 3.5:  BEHAVIOURS" which used "parentscript" (PDF was last  
modified April 10, and was downloaded from runrev/..../documents/ 
behaviors-1.pdf).

cheers
	Fran?ois



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat May  2 15:43:04 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:43:04 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 1 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC7913.1030405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62005F4.413A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<AEE83D95-A7FB-455B-A502-FEBDF6CA0D47@elementarysoftware.com>
	<49FBF562.2030501@gmail.com> <49FC7913.1030405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F5ABF384-80EA-4FC2-8D7E-1B33306250C1@cruzio.com>

Dang, you're good, Jacqueline.
Mark

On May 2, 2009, at 9:47 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> The ONLY problem is that something named 'property' is something  
>> that can be
>> contained rather than be a property: so, either, somebody has to  
>> cook up a new
>> name for 'custom properties' (err . . . 'custom thingy' . . .  
>> err . . . come on, somebody
>> can do better than that), or, somebody has to write a fairly long  
>> bit about how
>> users have to do mental backflips.
>
> I don't think the shoe has dropped for you yet. *All* properties  
> contain something, and all are assigned to a specific object (the  
> assignment is what you are calling "contained by", which probably  
> isn't exactly the right concept.) Every native property has both a  
> name and a value, and is attached to an object. Custom properties  
> are no different. The native property called "name" contains a  
> string like "myName" and is assigned to the object that has that  
> name. The property "textColor" contains an RGB value and is assigned  
> to a button or field you are asking about. The property "location"  
> contains a set of 2 numbers and is assigned to the object at that  
> location. The property "myCustomProp" contains whatever value you  
> want to give it and is assigned to any object you choose.
>
> There is no practical difference, and all are properties. The only  
> thing that is effectively different is that you can invent your own  
> property names, assign them to an object of your choice, and fill  
> them with any value you want to store.
>
> It really is simpler than you're trying to make it. :)
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  2 15:48:04 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:48:04 -1000
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com> <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>

You're just TOO good at explaining things, Jacque! :-)

Jacque wrote:

> Let's try something simple. Suppose you have a card with lots of
> buttons
> that the user can move around; maybe your script uses the "grab"
> command
> to let them drag the butons. Now you want a way to reset the card to
> its
> native state that puts all the buttons back to their original
> positions.
> 
> Buttons have a "loc" property, but that only stores the current
> position
> of the button at this moment, and the engine will update that value
> every time the button moves. There isn't any native property that tells
> you where the button started from, but we can make a custom property
> that does that. We'll call it the "startLoc" and each moveable button
> will need to have that property assigned to it. Before the user has a
> chance to drag anything (maybe during development, or during
> preopencard) you run a little handler that sets that property for each
> button:
> 
> on setBtnLocs
>    repeat with x = 1 to the number of btns
>      set the startLoc of btn x to the loc of btn x
>    end repeat
> end setBtnLocs
> 
> Now each button has a custom property called "startLoc", and the value
> of the property for each button is it's current position.
> 
> Now you're ready to grab the buttons and move them all around till
> nothing is in the right place any more. Then you can click a "Reset"
> button which puts them all back with this simple script:
> 
>   on mouseUp
>    repeat with x = 1 to the number of btns
>     set the loc of btn x to the startLoc of btn x
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> Your custom property "startLoc" acts just like any other property. The
> only difference is that the engine doesn't create or update it, you do.
> 
> I can think of several other ways to store each button's start
> position,
> but none of them are this simple, and none of them tie the correct
> value
> to each button individually the way having a custom property does. The
> startLoc of each button becomes an integral attribute of the button
> just
> like its color or its name, and is the only way to accomplish this
> example with any degree of efficiency.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat May  2 16:20:14 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 22:20:14 +0200
Subject: rev dictionary blocked
In-Reply-To: <8D86AE55-C98C-421A-BC1C-688ED6EE8F8F@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <03C4623F-BE57-4830-BDCA-426F7021BC8D@gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0904300831l49f87e43p776f5ea244486d06@mail.gmail.com>
	<D286B060-014B-419A-9E7F-B269F633F4E7@mac.com>
	<8D86AE55-C98C-421A-BC1C-688ED6EE8F8F@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <FC909754-D9D4-421D-A043-BBDDB8D03DF5@mac.com>

Hi all

It seems BvGDocu is broken slightly, by a change in the docu.index  
fileformat of rev 3.5 (tho i wonder why it never cropped up before, as  
it's a very simple scripting error regarding a trailing return in a  
list).

I have put version 1.3 of bvg docu up on the website:
http://bjoernke.com/runrev/bvgdocu.php

have fun
bjoernke

On 2 May 2009, at 09:42, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

>
> Le 30 avr. 09 ? 17:49, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :
>
>> I have no clue what it could be, but as the docu is all rev code,  
>> you could theoretically try to find a fix yourself...
>>
>> If you'd rather just have the documentation without doing any  
>> coding, and reinstalling rev is too hassle some, maybe i can  
>> persuade you to try my documentation replacement:
>>
>> http://bjoernke.com/runrev/bvgdocu.php
>>
>>
>> have fun
>> Bj?rnke
>>
>>
> something seems to be broken with version 3.5. using my dict stack  
> (and your own bvgdocu); the dictionnary stacks were created but  
> "parentscript" could not be found; although it appears in  
> revolution's dictionnay. In bvgdocu, there lacks a link between the  
> index entry "parentscript property" and the appropriate doc.
>
> Best,
> 	Fran?ois
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  2 16:36:33 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 23:36:33 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com> <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
	<013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>
Message-ID: <49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>

Seems a lot clearer now! Thank you, Jacque.

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> You're just TOO good at explaining things, Jacque! :-)
>
> Jacque wrote:
>
>   
>> Let's try something simple. Suppose you have a card with lots of
>> buttons
>> that the user can move around; maybe your script uses the "grab"
>> command
>> to let them drag the butons. Now you want a way to reset the card to
>> its
>> native state that puts all the buttons back to their original
>> positions.
>>
>> Buttons have a "loc" property, but that only stores the current
>> position
>> of the button at this moment, and the engine will update that value
>> every time the button moves. There isn't any native property that tells
>> you where the button started from, but we can make a custom property
>> that does that. We'll call it the "startLoc" and each moveable button
>> will need to have that property assigned to it. Before the user has a
>> chance to drag anything (maybe during development, or during
>> preopencard) you run a little handler that sets that property for each
>> button:
>>
>> on setBtnLocs
>>    repeat with x = 1 to the number of btns
>>      set the startLoc of btn x to the loc of btn x
>>    end repeat
>> end setBtnLocs
>>
>> Now each button has a custom property called "startLoc", and the value
>> of the property for each button is it's current position.
>>
>> Now you're ready to grab the buttons and move them all around till
>> nothing is in the right place any more. Then you can click a "Reset"
>> button which puts them all back with this simple script:
>>
>>   on mouseUp
>>    repeat with x = 1 to the number of btns
>>     set the loc of btn x to the startLoc of btn x
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Your custom property "startLoc" acts just like any other property. The
>> only difference is that the engine doesn't create or update it, you do.
>>
>> I can think of several other ways to store each button's start
>> position,
>> but none of them are this simple, and none of them tie the correct
>> value
>> to each button individually the way having a custom property does. The
>> startLoc of each button becomes an integral attribute of the button
>> just
>> like its color or its name, and is the only way to accomplish this
>> example with any degree of efficiency.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 16:37:10 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:37:10 -0400
Subject: data grid, custom sorting
Message-ID: <B7D89466-7983-4387-96D5-990D47D0D97B@wehostmacs.com>

I have raw file sizes in bytes (as is customary) but am displaying it  
formatted (KB, MB, etc) but the sorting of the column is obviously  
not sorted correctly. Is there a way to sort on the actual data in  
the dgData so the it sorts correctly? Or failing that, if I hide a  
column with the raw file sizes and trap the header sorting, is there  
a way to sort on the "size" column but have the header selected on  
the "sizeFormatted" column?


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Sat May  2 16:52:46 2009
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:52:46 +0200
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com> <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
	<013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com> <49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80633F6E-19B6-4E98-965B-E01012EA9BC2@unil.ch>

Hello everybody,

Just to put my "grano salis" in this discussion: runrev (and its  
ancestors) evolved rather biologically and a bit erratically, like any  
organism or any natural language. Several users from time to time  
claim to put more logic in its structures. I feel it is not only  
hopeless, but totally unrealistic. A fully logic system becomes either  
immediately fossilized or evolves out from the splendidly logical  
structure of its beginning. Curstom properties CAN be properties, as  
Jacque showed so well (in an application, I have flying hummingbirds  
with CP like "PerchLoc", "NestLoc" and so on. They are quite similar  
to the original properties). But the people who imagined CP asked  
themselves: it's any reason to limit CP to THAT, since they can be far  
more powerful ? And of course it was no good reason to limit the scope  
of this new feature.
As for the names; Darwin himself has made a rather bad choice in  
naming the natural selection "Natural selection", because selection  
implies somebody acting to select organisms. "Natural filter" or  
"Ecological sieve" would have been better. Perhaps. But natural  
selection it is, and custom properties they are. It's just so, and we  
have to learn their meaning. Every name in our pet programming  
language is an analogy: you don't plow your fields, you don't fasten  
your buttons, and you cannot tear your cards in little bits (sometimes  
I wish to do just that ! ).
And, to mention a linked question, in my view "parent script", whith  
it's heritability dye, was not less logical than "behavior", just  
emphasising (good english?) another characteristic of the same  
feature. I don't see one nickname as more logical than the other one.

Jacques (with s), in a philosophical mood...

Le 2 mai 2009 ? 22:36, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Seems a lot clearer now! Thank you, Jacque.
>

******************************************
Prof. Jacques Hausser
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  2 17:10:07 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:10:07 -1000
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <80633F6E-19B6-4E98-965B-E01012EA9BC2@unil.ch>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
	<49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>	<013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>
	<49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>
	<80633F6E-19B6-4E98-965B-E01012EA9BC2@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <013d01c9cb6a$5f720690$1e5613b0$@com>

Jacques Hausser wrote:

>...Every name in our pet programming
> language is an analogy: you don't plow your fields, you don't fasten
> your buttons, and you cannot tear your cards in little bits (sometimes
> I wish to do just that ! ).
> And, to mention a linked question, in my view "parent script", whith
> it's heritability dye, was not less logical than "behavior", just
> emphasising (good english?) another characteristic of the same
> feature. I don't see one nickname as more logical than the other one.

And, let's not forget Stack. I mean what does that have to do with pancakes,
chimneys, or well-developed women? ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat May  2 17:57:19 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:57:19 +0200
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <013d01c9cb6a$5f720690$1e5613b0$@com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
	<49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>	<013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>
	<49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>
	<80633F6E-19B6-4E98-965B-E01012EA9BC2@unil.ch>
	<013d01c9cb6a$5f720690$1e5613b0$@com>
Message-ID: <C27B3876-797A-462C-A222-7315AE8F172E@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 2 mai 09 ? 23:10, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Jacques Hausser wrote:
>
>> ...Every name in our pet programming
>> language is an analogy: you don't plow your fields, you don't fasten
>> your buttons, and you cannot tear your cards in little bits  
>> (sometimes
>> I wish to do just that ! ).
>> And, to mention a linked question, in my view "parent script", whith
>> it's heritability dye, was not less logical than "behavior", just
>> emphasising (good english?) another characteristic of the same
>> feature. I don't see one nickname as more logical than the other one.
>
> And, let's not forget Stack. I mean what does that have to do with  
> pancakes,
> chimneys, or well-developed women? ;-)

and what about revolution?   :-)))))))


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Sat May  2 18:12:12 2009
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:12:12 +0200
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <C27B3876-797A-462C-A222-7315AE8F172E@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
	<49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>	<013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>
	<49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>
	<80633F6E-19B6-4E98-965B-E01012EA9BC2@unil.ch>
	<013d01c9cb6a$5f720690$1e5613b0$@com>
	<C27B3876-797A-462C-A222-7315AE8F172E@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <39CBAE82-D42E-4F86-B6BC-6B9B09E1F8C3@unil.ch>


Le 2 mai 2009 ? 23:57, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit :

>
> Le 2 mai 09 ? 23:10, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :
>
>> Jacques Hausser wrote:
>>
>>> ...Every name in our pet programming
>>> language is an analogy: you don't plow your fields, you don't fasten
>>> your buttons, and you cannot tear your cards in little bits  
>>> (sometimes
>>> I wish to do just that ! ).
>>> And, to mention a linked question, in my view "parent script", whith
>>> it's heritability dye, was not less logical than "behavior", just
>>> emphasising (good english?) another characteristic of the same
>>> feature. I don't see one nickname as more logical than the other  
>>> one.
>>
>> And, let's not forget Stack. I mean what does that have to do with  
>> pancakes,
>> chimneys, or well-developed women? ;-)

or hay ? It's the place to seek for the famous needle...

> and what about revolution?   :-)))))))

Trois petits tours, et puis s'en vont,,,
A revolution is a circular move coming back to it's starting point, no ?

Metaphor is as dangerous as appealing. But you cannot do without.

Jacques


Prof. Jacques Hausser
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 18:45:54 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 18:45:54 -0400
Subject: data grid - contextual menu
Message-ID: <DA0F4171-CF79-4227-8178-2B794AABE75F@wehostmacs.com>

I am popping up a contextual menu on mouseDown with button 3 (ie.  
right-click, control-click) but the data grid list is not getting  
hilighted so the old hilighted line's information is showing up.. I  
have tried "click button 1 at the mouseLoc" before popping up my menu  
but to no avail. Anyone tackle this issue yet?


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May  2 19:16:45 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:16:45 +1000
Subject: Fwd: data grid, custom sorting
In-Reply-To: <B7D89466-7983-4387-96D5-990D47D0D97B@wehostmacs.com>
References: <B7D89466-7983-4387-96D5-990D47D0D97B@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905021616n7717f38dted0b801f992f04a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> I have raw file sizes in bytes (as is customary) but am displaying it
> formatted (KB, MB, etc) but the sorting of the column is obviously not
> sorted correctly. Is there a way to sort on the actual data in the dgData so
> the it sorts correctly? Or failing that, if I hide a column with the raw
> file sizes and trap the header sorting, is there a way to sort on the "size"
> column but have the header selected on the "sizeFormatted" column?


Sounds like time for one of Jacque's brilliant custom sort functions,
assuming you can do that with a datagrid.

I think it would be something like this, but I'm sure Jacque will
correct me if I have it wrong:

sort lines of fld "Whatever" by sizeSort(item 3 of each)

function sizeSort pSize
   if word 2 of pSize = "KB" then
      return pSize * 1024
   else if word 2 of pSize = "MB" then
      return pSize * 1024 * 1024
   else
      return pSize
   end if
end sizeSort

Cheers,
Sarah


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 19:34:26 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:34:26 -0400
Subject: data grid - contextual menu
Message-ID: <D8BA2AB0-B356-4F65-A01E-D7BA51214753@wehostmacs.com>

[apologize in advanced if this is a double post]

This seems to work and unless Trevor chimes in and says not to do it  
this way, it seems to work just fine

on mouseDown pButton
   if (pButton = 3) then     -- right click
     dgMouseDown pButton
     # do context menu stuff
   else
     pass mouseDown
   end if
end mouseDown


Also if you want to check if the user has clicked in the header of  
the table:

if (the short name of the owner of the owner of the target =  
"dgHeader") then


From cs at suppsearch.com  Sat May  2 19:49:55 2009
From: cs at suppsearch.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 18:49:55 -0500
Subject: Anyone Still Using v3 or earlier?
Message-ID: <49FCDC23.7050901@suppsearch.com>

I found a great html field editor in RevOnline (in the general category) 
when I was on v3.  My problem is I upgraded to v3.5 and the RevOnline 
also upgraded and now I can't download the editor.  If someone is on v3 
and could send me the html editor.I would be very grateful!

Thanks for any help!
Warren
cs at suppsearch.com


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 20:04:49 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:04:49 -0400
Subject: Anyone Still Using v3 or earlier?
Message-ID: <522FC390-4552-4175-88EF-43B0294E7A0A@wehostmacs.com>

I have no issues getting it for you but you will need to provide a  
name because a cursory glance did not show anything with HTML in the  
name


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat May  2 20:06:11 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 17:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Anyone Still Using v3 or earlier?
In-Reply-To: <522FC390-4552-4175-88EF-43B0294E7A0A@wehostmacs.com>
References: <522FC390-4552-4175-88EF-43B0294E7A0A@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021705470.4276@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I think I found it; already sent it to him.

Judy

On Sat, 2 May 2009, Shao Sean wrote:

> I have no issues getting it for you but you will need to provide a name 
> because a cursory glance did not show anything with HTML in the name
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From coiin at rcn.com  Sat May  2 20:07:20 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:07:20 -0400
Subject: Anyone Still Using v3 or earlier?
In-Reply-To: <49FCDC23.7050901@suppsearch.com>
References: <49FCDC23.7050901@suppsearch.com>
Message-ID: <AC2E13CA-672D-4206-8A66-2FFD14374991@rcn.com>


On May 2, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> I found a great html field editor in RevOnline (in the general  
> category) when I was on v3.  My problem is I upgraded to v3.5 and  
> the RevOnline also upgraded and now I can't download the editor.  If  
> someone is on v3 and could send me the html editor.I would be very  
> grateful!


What is it called, and which section is it in? Or which user space is  
it in?




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 20:09:14 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:09:14 -0400
Subject: data grid - header sorting (fix)
Message-ID: <39CE390E-E7B6-4F26-B923-12D733729662@wehostmacs.com>

Sorting when clicking a header should happen on mouseUp not  
mouseDown, so you just need to modify the code in
stack "revDataGridLibrary", card 1, button "Default Header"

In the "mouseDown" handler, comment out the line  
"_HeaderToggleSortOfColumn"

Add:

on mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
   if pMouseBtnNum is 1 then
     ## Change the sort of the column
     ## _HeaderToggleSortOfColumn is a helper that resizes in the  
parent group script.
     ## It toggles the sort of the column based on current state of  
column.
     _HeaderToggleSortOfColumn the dgColumn of me
   end if
end mouseUp


Save and now all your data grids function correctly :)


BugZilla ID 8021
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8021


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 20:12:33 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:12:33 -0400
Subject: data grid, custom sorting
Message-ID: <6E07DF41-2C4D-4D1A-A13B-C9EAE76247F7@wehostmacs.com>

Thank you for the prompt reply but doing custom sorts only gives you  
the column name and no data so would still need to go through the  
array, but I have been taking apart the data grid script and am  
getting a solution that I will share once I get the hiliting of the  
headers working..


From cs at suppsearch.com  Sat May  2 20:38:01 2009
From: cs at suppsearch.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 19:38:01 -0500
Subject: Anyone Still Using v3 or earlier?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021705470.4276@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <522FC390-4552-4175-88EF-43B0294E7A0A@wehostmacs.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021705470.4276@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <49FCE769.6070308@suppsearch.com>

Thanks everyone for looking into this for me.  Judy sent me the stack I 
was looking for.  I really appreciate everyone going out of their way 
for me...especially Judy for sending me the stack!!!

Have a wonderful weekend!!!!

Warren

Judy Perry wrote:
> I think I found it; already sent it to him.
>
> Judy
>
> On Sat, 2 May 2009, Shao Sean wrote:
>
>> I have no issues getting it for you but you will need to provide a 
>> name because a cursory glance did not show anything with HTML in the 
>> name
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 22:05:22 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:05:22 -0400
Subject: data grid, custom sorting
Message-ID: <EF2B7FA4-8773-4173-88AA-BFBEB1E7D5F2@wehostmacs.com>

Okay finally got it all figured out.. Seems the documentation could  
use a little work (perhaps one of the people who have written books  
before could tackle this ;-)

When sorting a list of files by size I thought it would be nice to  
display the sizes in more readable format (5.6 MB, 320 KB, etc) yet  
doing a sort on the size column in the data grid would sort properly  
for the numbers but would not be sorted correctly for the actual  
sizes. Rooting around in the data grid parentScript I came across  
"sortDataByKey" which allows you sort based on the actual data in the  
dgData instead of what is displayed (1024 instead of 1 KB) - that was  
the easy part.

The hard part, which took all of four hours and one kernel panic  
(which is my fourth one with the data grid), I managed to get the  
column headers correctly hiliting (the documentation clearly point  
this out as dgHilite so not too hard to figure out what command to  
use). What the docs clearly miss though is that this is not a  
property of the data grid (which would make it much easier to use  
[feature request :) ]) but a property of the column header group so  
you need to call it by its medium name (not a real feature of Rev).

tl;dr

1. replace "size" with your column
2. place this code in your data grid group script
3. ????
4. profit!



command sortDataGridColumn pColumn
   constant kColumnSize = "size"
   local tOldSortKey
   lock screen

   switch (pColumn)
     case "size"
       -- turn off the hilite for the currently hilited column
       put the dgProps["sort by column"] of me into tOldSortKey
       set the dgHilite of group tOldSortKey of group "dgHeader" to  
FALSE

       -- sort our column by the data in the array instead of what is  
displayed
       if (the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me =  
"ascending") then
         set the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me to  
"descending"
         sortDataByKey kColumnSize, "numeric", "descending", FALSE
         --@ sortDataByKey <columnName>, <sortType>, <sortDirection>,  
<caseSensitive>
       else
         set the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me to "ascending"
         sortDataByKey kColumnSize, "numeric", "ascending", FALSE
       end if
       -- turn on the hilite for our custom sorted column
       set the dgHilite of group kColumnSize of group "dgHeader" to TRUE
       break
     default
       -- turn off the hilite for our custom sorted column
       set the dgHilite of group kColumnSize of group "dgHeader" to  
FALSE
       pass sortDataGridColumn
       break
   end switch
end sortDataGridColumn


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  2 23:05:07 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:05:07 -0400
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <F11D33DA-49BE-4B32-A42C-18E77CA3AD3B@wehostmacs.com>

modified it some to be a little cleaner as well as allowing the data  
grid to know that it is sorting on the custom sorted column..


command sortDataGridColumn pColumn
   constant kColumnSize = "size"
   local tOldSortKey
   lock screen

   switch (pColumn)
     case kColumnSize
       lock messages
       put the dgProps["sort by column"] of me into tOldSortKey
       set the dgProps["sort by column"] of me to kColumnSize

       if (the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me =  
"ascending") then
         set the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me to  
"descending"
       else
         set the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me to "ascending"
       end if
       unlock messages

       sortDataByKey kColumnSize, "numeric", the dgColumnSortDirection 
[kColumnSize] of me, FALSE

       set the dgHilite of group tOldSortKey of group "dgHeader" to  
FALSE
       set the dgHilite of group kColumnSize of group "dgHeader" to TRUE
       break
     default
       pass sortDataGridColumn
       break
   end switch
end sortDataGridColumn


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun May  3 00:05:13 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 21:05:13 -0700
Subject: test - ignore
Message-ID: <49FD17F9.2030904@comcast.net>

Please ignore - this is a test. I'm moving my domains and mail to my new 
On-Rev account.

Marty K


From katir at hindu.org  Sun May  3 00:46:40 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 18:46:40 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
Message-ID: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>

I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if you 
put a stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you 
could save data in that stack.

I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent stack 
then hides itself

mahaLexiconLoader.app/
    Contents/
       info.plist
       MacS/
         Externals/
         lexicon.rev
         MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
         Pkginfo
         Plugins/
         Resources/

I could have sworn that last year using an early version of Rev that in 
this contect if the stack "lexicon.rev" has a handler such as:


on opencard
   save this stack
end opencard

and the user writes data to fields, then the data would be saved as he 
moves to a new card.

And Sarah Reichelt's RevJournal article (circa 2005) says:

"In the screen shot above, you can see that I have a single stack file 
called "appSplash.rev". This contains 6 stacks: the appSplash stack and 
5 other sub-stacks. After building the standalone as described, the 
appSplash stack will not be writable but the other 5 stacks can all be 
changed and saved as you need."

But, it appears not to work today... if I move the stack out of my stand 
alone, then data is saved. if I move it back into the standalone, data 
cannot be saved therein.  I hope I'm missing something simple and that 
this model for saving data is not broken.

and side question: what is our best tool these days to dig the mailing 
lists? I used Google...





      


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May  3 04:11:05 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:11:05 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <013d01c9cb6a$5f720690$1e5613b0$@com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>	<49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>	<013c01c9cb5e$e8f6e9f0$bae4bdd0$@com>	<49FCAED1.2060104@gmail.com>	<80633F6E-19B6-4E98-965B-E01012EA9BC2@unil.ch>
	<013d01c9cb6a$5f720690$1e5613b0$@com>
Message-ID: <49FD5199.1050905@gmail.com>

Coming from Scotland, on going to the USA (1993) I learnt about Hypercard
and what a 'pancake stack' was simultaneously. I Scotland we tend to eat
our drop scones individually. I have always thought of a 
Hypercard/Supercard/Metacard/RR
stack as a stack of playing cards (can't think why); having started with 
making holes
in Hollerith cards that was a fairly easy conceptual move.

And, by-the-by, in Scotland, we tend to refer to 'top shelves' when talking
about your third example. :)

As a middle-aged man, I am working extremely hard on developing either
a 'central shelf', or a 'middle stack' ! What my pupils in my school refer
to as my 'twins'.

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Jacques Hausser wrote:
>
>   
>> ...Every name in our pet programming
>> language is an analogy: you don't plow your fields, you don't fasten
>> your buttons, and you cannot tear your cards in little bits (sometimes
>> I wish to do just that ! ).
>> And, to mention a linked question, in my view "parent script", whith
>> it's heritability dye, was not less logical than "behavior", just
>> emphasising (good english?) another characteristic of the same
>> feature. I don't see one nickname as more logical than the other one.
>>     
>
> And, let's not forget Stack. I mean what does that have to do with pancakes,
> chimneys, or well-developed women? ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May  3 04:29:11 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:29:11 +0300
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <49FD55D7.9010501@gmail.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
> and side question: what is our best tool these days to dig the mailing 
> lists? I used Google...
>
Dear Sivakatirswami,

    Richard Gaskin wrote a nifty little stack a while back to search the 
Metacard mailing list
via Google and pop the results into your default web-browser; it takes 
'but a twiddle' to adapt it
for the RR list. Ihave a copy lurking on my computer but am wary of 
treading on Richard's toes,
so it would probably be better to contact him.

This stack is called '4wMCListSearch.rev'.

It may yet be lurking on revOnline.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May  3 04:44:50 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:44:50 +1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if you put a
> stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you could save
> data in that stack.
>
> I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent stack then
> hides itself
>
> mahaLexiconLoader.app/
> ? Contents/
> ? ? ?info.plist
> ? ? ?MacS/
> ? ? ? ?Externals/
> ? ? ? ?lexicon.rev
> ? ? ? ?MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
> ? ? ? ?Pkginfo
> ? ? ? ?Plugins/
> ? ? ? ?Resources/
>
> I could have sworn that last year using an early version of Rev that in this
> contect if the stack "lexicon.rev" has a handler such as:

It should do, although I haven't tried it lately.
Can you check "the result" after the save command?
Does the current user have admin privileges? If not, then they will
not be able to write to the Applications folder.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May  3 04:57:20 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:57:20 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <013f01c9cbcd$2b8ec1c0$82ac4540$@com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

What OS are you seeing this issue in? Where on the drive is the standalone
sitting? Also, would you change the *this stack* reference to something more
specific such as *the owner of this card* or better *stack "StackName"* and
report if there is any difference?

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if you
> put a stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you
> could save data in that stack.
> 
> I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent stack
> then hides itself
> 
> mahaLexiconLoader.app/
>     Contents/
>        info.plist
>        MacS/
>          Externals/
>          lexicon.rev
>          MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
>          Pkginfo
>          Plugins/
>          Resources/
> 
> I could have sworn that last year using an early version of Rev that in
> this contect if the stack "lexicon.rev" has a handler such as:
> 
> 
> on opencard
>    save this stack
> end opencard
> 
> and the user writes data to fields, then the data would be saved as he
> moves to a new card.
> 
> And Sarah Reichelt's RevJournal article (circa 2005) says:
> 
> "In the screen shot above, you can see that I have a single stack file
> called "appSplash.rev". This contains 6 stacks: the appSplash stack and
> 5 other sub-stacks. After building the standalone as described, the
> appSplash stack will not be writable but the other 5 stacks can all be
> changed and saved as you need."
> 
> But, it appears not to work today... if I move the stack out of my
> stand
> alone, then data is saved. if I move it back into the standalone, data
> cannot be saved therein.  I hope I'm missing something simple and that
> this model for saving data is not broken.
> 
> and side question: what is our best tool these days to dig the mailing
> lists? I used Google...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May  3 05:19:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:19:54 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021131230.1817@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com> <49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021131230.1817@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <49FD61BA.7050109@gmail.com>

Mind you . . .

The only real reason I can see for using a custom property as opposed
to an 'on the fly' variable is that a custom property is non-volatile.

The only real reason I can see for using a custom property as opposed
to a field is that everything moves just that much faster.

So, until I feel the need to write a stack/standalone that churns its way
through buckets of indigestable data at high speed I shall probably go
on in my own reactionary fashion with off-screen fields.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If one wishes to view a property as a container containing a value, as
well as viewing objects as containers then the container metaphor is
still valid, although, like anything else, is probably not endlessly
extensible. Once pushed to its reductio ad absurdam (which may be
nearer than we all realise) its weaknesses will show up.

Russian dolls, Russian dolls, Russian dolls . . . [ matrioshki ]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ugh, back the paracetamol and the ginger tea. However, a dose of
influenza does have the saving grace that it gives one bags of time for
the sort of introspective thinking these sort of discussions require.  :)

Judy Perry wrote:
> Aha!
>
> Now THAT's something I could find useful! (celebrating little aha 
> moment). Thank you!
>
> :-D
>
> Judy
>
> On Sat, 2 May 2009, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Let's try something simple. Suppose you have a card with lots of 
>> buttons that the user can move around; maybe your script uses the 
>> "grab" command to let them drag the butons. Now you want a way to 
>> reset the card to its native state that puts all the buttons back to 
>> their original positions.
>>
>> Buttons have a "loc" property, but that only stores the current 
>> position of the button at this moment, and the engine will update 
>> that value every time the button moves. There isn't any native 
>> property that tells you where the button started from, but we can 
>> make a custom property that does that.
>
>
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun May  3 05:42:03 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:42:03 +0200
Subject: open file, applescript, POSIX
Message-ID: <338F8EA7-053A-429F-B5EE-FD4AA8577A5B@ezpzapps.com>

--The following works
set filepath to "/Users/jimsims/Pictures/art/01pigs1.500.jpg"
tell application "Preview"
	activate
	open file filepath as POSIX file
end tell

-- This works ONLY if I drop the POSIX  
set filepath to "/Users/jimsims/Pictures/art/01pigs1.500.jpg"
tell application "Photoshop Elements 4.0"
	activate
	open file filepath -- as POSIX file
end tell

Why does Photoshop Elements 4.0 refuse and Preview say OK?

I need to open files in particular applications (not just the default  
application). Launch seems interesting but only useful if one is  
opening the application for the first time. I only need this for OS X.

Surely there is some kind of universal way to open files with a given  
application on OS X?


sims

sims at ezpzapps.com
Skype:   sims.jim
iChat:   techietours
______________________
Opportunity by Design






From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun May  3 06:28:29 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:29 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <3AA8A48A-8217-4BA6-9EA1-688E0532E6BC@yahoo.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905020029u1d9456edkf5b1c4a73815573e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905020426l3b266c80ld721b371f21f50e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AA8A48A-8217-4BA6-9EA1-688E0532E6BC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905030328o4085795dt580882dde20ba619@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim - good to confirm that there is no way to escape chars for filter
expressions. I guess this is the sort of thing that should be posted as a
note to the dictionary.

2009/5/2 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>

> The technique I have used in the past is to do a
>
> replace "[" with "?" in blockOfLines
> replace "]" with "^" in blockOfLines
> filter blockOfLines without "tr??*^^"
> --and in case there are kept lines that had the '[]' chars
> replace "?" with "[" in blockOfLines
> replace "^" with "]" in blockOfLines


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May  3 06:35:35 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:35:35 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905030335o4dffa6f7n8f72cc0aef1694cd@mail.gmail.com>

I think this does what you require:

put "tr[1]" & cr after tList
put "tr(2)" & cr after tList
put "tr[3]" & cr after tList
put "tr[a]" & cr after tList
put "td[1]" & cr after tList
put "tra[1]" & cr after tList
filter tList without "[t][r]?[0-9]]"
put tList

Try playing around with the 2nd letter of the filter expression, and
using with/without.  It seems to work for me.  Unless I really don't
understand the problem :-)

Bernard

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> Still trying to figure this out - my hack ends up failing - I've returned a
> list of child names from XML, and wish to filter out all the "<tr>" elements
> which appear like tr[1], tr[2]. So I want to filter using "tr[*]", but as
> "[" is a special char... andthe usual "\[" does not work for escaping? Any
> ideas?
>
> 2009/4/24 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>
>
>> Any one know the way to escape characters such as "[" in patterns for the
>> "filter" expression?
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May  3 07:20:18 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 14:20:18 +0300
Subject: Positive Feedback
Message-ID: <49FD7DF2.9080905@gmail.com>

I am currently putting together a brace of programs for
fairly basic EFL learners to revise careers/jobs (what
the series of EFL textbooks I use, in an almost
vomit-making effort at over political correctness terms
'community helpers') and, while spending hours and
hours twiddling away with GIMP because I am an
extremely fussy so-and-so about the standard of graphics
in my programs, I am able to pop the actual programs
together in Runtime Revolution in "a brace of shakes"
as the saying goes.

Once I have assembled all the 'raw materials';

graphic elements
textual elements
multimedia elements

to produce a fully functioning standalone is normally
an extremely rapid and painless procedure.

While these programs are not 'rocket science' in terms
of programming, I tried the same with ToolBook and
Director in the past, and recently with HyperStudio, and really
got extremely 'bogged down' in silly little details that, if
they are there in Revolution take care of themselves
without my intervention. Quite apart from the fact that
these IDEs tie one down to specific platforms.

Whatever else my criticisms of Revolution may be, I will
always be grateful about the way it has made my work
so easy.

However . . . (well, face it, Richmond can never bite his tongue),
I don't think enough is being done to advertise Revolution to other
in the sector I work within. Meeting EFL 'colleagues' (unpleasant
word) round and about Plovdiv, Bulgaria [ and, in the Balkan
peninsular, the EFL industry is HUGE = big bucks ] I constantly get 'funny'
looks when I state that with Revolution I could teach all the EFL
teachers in Bulgaria how to put together quite respectable
programs for content delivery and reinforcement in a couple
of afternoons.  Mind you, I also get 'funny' looks when I see all the EFL
schools with Pentium IIIs sitting 'rotting' in the corners with
non-functioning Windows 98 on them and I suggest they wake them
up again with something like Xubuntu coupled with programs
written in Revolution.


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun May  3 07:30:53 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 04:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: open file, applescript, POSIX
In-Reply-To: <338F8EA7-053A-429F-B5EE-FD4AA8577A5B@ezpzapps.com>
References: <338F8EA7-053A-429F-B5EE-FD4AA8577A5B@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <23354902.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jim,

try

set filePath to POSIX file "/Users/jimsims/Pictures/art/01pigs1.500.jpg" as
text

this gives you something like:
"Macintosh HD:Users:jimsims:Pictures:art:01pigs1.500.jpg"

then you use this to open files without the 'as posix file', this should
work for all scriptable programs.
I dont have Photoshop elements, so I can not try this but the format you get
in filePath is the standard text format for a path on a Mac.
The posix variant ist probably not understood by Photoshop elements and was
introduced to make calls to the shell easier.

it should work
regards to you and your pigs :)
Bernd




Jim Sims wrote:
> 
> --The following works
> set filepath to "/Users/jimsims/Pictures/art/01pigs1.500.jpg"
> tell application "Preview"
> 	activate
> 	open file filepath as POSIX file
> end tell
> 
> -- This works ONLY if I drop the POSIX  
> set filepath to "/Users/jimsims/Pictures/art/01pigs1.500.jpg"
> tell application "Photoshop Elements 4.0"
> 	activate
> 	open file filepath -- as POSIX file
> end tell
> 
> Why does Photoshop Elements 4.0 refuse and Preview say OK?
> 
> I need to open files in particular applications (not just the default  
> application). Launch seems interesting but only useful if one is  
> opening the application for the first time. I only need this for OS X.
> 
> Surely there is some kind of universal way to open files with a given  
> application on OS X?
> 
> 
> sims
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/open-file%2C-applescript%2C-POSIX-tp23354158p23354902.html
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From barryb at libero.it  Sun May  3 07:43:35 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:43:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

I am getting quite frustrated with this list. Everytime I get up enough courage 
to ask a question somebody throws in an example, to somebody else, which 
answers it! That's why I read all the digests every day and just wait for the 
tip I need to turn up, although it makes me feel like a lurker which is a name 
I don't like.
I just wanted to acknowledge this and say  thanks to ALL of you 
for the kind help. It may be a slower method of learning but it's certainly 
more enjoyable than wading through the Docs. Also the Docs don't have backchat 
as well.  {;-)) 
Just please keep it up.
Barry


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun May  3 07:57:56 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:57:56 +0100
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905030457t1257bed4p8b8201715e0261c7@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone gets frustrated from time to time Barry! It's actually really hard
to communicate via email, a problem with a graphic interface you have, and a
language you are learning - so the result can often be - well frustration :)

It's great to post questions, especially if you can copy and paste some code
snippets so people can give concrete help back. And remember that if you are
having a problem - you can bet that there will be several other people with
the same problems - so a clear post will not only help you but them as well.
So thanks for posting!

NB - if I were learning, I'd certainly look into adding "code completion".
GLX2 provides this, and I "think" there is even a free plugin they provide,
if you don;t want to buy their editor which as a user I'd highly recommend.

2009/5/3 barryb at libero.it <barryb at libero.it>

> I am getting quite frustrated with this list. Everytime I get up enough
> courage
> to ask a question somebody throws in an example, to somebody else, which
> answers it! That's why I read all the digests every day and just wait for
> the
> tip I need to turn up, although it makes me feel like a lurker which is a
> name
> I don't like.
> I just wanted to acknowledge this and say  thanks to ALL of you
> for the kind help. It may be a slower method of learning but it's certainly
> more enjoyable than wading through the Docs. Also the Docs don't have
> backchat
> as well.  {;-))
> Just please keep it up.
> Barry


From david at architex.tv  Sun May  3 08:17:50 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:17:50 +0100
Subject: Must be a way: escaping filter patterns
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905030335o4dffa6f7n8f72cc0aef1694cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905011311l61bf123ar3db36dae652ad6bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905030335o4dffa6f7n8f72cc0aef1694cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905030517yf9484d8u5f4e7d7e5a4d9502@mail.gmail.com>

This would "usually" work :

put "theader[1]" & cr after tList
put "th(1)" & cr after tList
put "th(2)" & cr after tList
put "th[3]" & cr after tList
put "tbody[1]" & cr after tList
put "tr[1]" & cr after tList
put "td[2]" & cr after tList
put "tra[3]" & cr after tList
put "tr[11]" & cr after tList

filter tList without "th?[0-9]]"
put tList

But it is possible that there are more than 9 rows - in which case it will
fail. What you really want to do is filter for "tr[*]" but can't because you
can't escape the "[" using "\[". Thanks for the input - just wanted to check
as there may be extra syntax not listed in the docs. I think the only real
solution is a simple repeat loop - it may even be faster than "filter", as
many test have shown previously.

So:

repeat for each line testLine in tList
    if token 1 of testLine is "th" then
        put testLine & CR after filteredList
    end if
end repeat
put filteredList

Tip:  the use of "token" instead of "word" is often really useful for
parsing output from computers - think of tokens as the equivalent of works
but for the way Rev thinks about scripts.

2009/5/3 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> I think this does what you require:
>
> put "tr[1]" & cr after tList
> put "tr(2)" & cr after tList
> put "tr[3]" & cr after tList
> put "tr[a]" & cr after tList
> put "td[1]" & cr after tList
> put "tra[1]" & cr after tList
> filter tList without "[t][r]?[0-9]]"
> put tList
>
> Try playing around with the 2nd letter of the filter expression, and
> using with/without.  It seems to work for me.  Unless I really don't
> understand the problem :-)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May  3 09:04:36 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:04:36 +0300
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <49FD9664.3030303@gmail.com>

Barry :) Hugs and Kisses, Man!

The backchat is what its all about!

I know it sounds corny, and straight out of the 'summer of love'
but I like to think of the RunRev Use-LIst as:

Livin', Lovin', and Programmin' (and, just possibly . . . Abusin')

And, you bet, that's going to catch some backchat!

barryb at libero.it wrote:
> I am getting quite frustrated with this list. Everytime I get up enough courage 
> to ask a question somebody throws in an example, to somebody else, which 
> answers it! That's why I read all the digests every day and just wait for the 
> tip I need to turn up, although it makes me feel like a lurker which is a name 
> I don't like.
> I just wanted to acknowledge this and say  thanks to ALL of you 
> for the kind help. It may be a slower method of learning but it's certainly 
> more enjoyable than wading through the Docs. Also the Docs don't have backchat 
> as well.  {;-)) 
> Just please keep it up.
> Barry
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>   



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun May  3 09:09:54 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:09:54 +0200
Subject: open file, applescript, POSIX
In-Reply-To: <23354902.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <338F8EA7-053A-429F-B5EE-FD4AA8577A5B@ezpzapps.com>
	<23354902.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <27E3773C-726E-4162-94D5-FCFE8E5697CC@ezpzapps.com>


On May 3, 2009, at 1:30 PM, BNig wrote:
>
> set filePath to POSIX file "/Users/jimsims/Pictures/art/ 
> 01pigs1.500.jpg" as
> text
>
> this gives you something like:
> "Macintosh HD:Users:jimsims:Pictures:art:01pigs1.500.jpg"

<snip>

> it should work
> regards to you and your pigs :)
> Bernd

Works, of course.

The pigs & I says thanks, yet again Bernd!

sims



From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May  3 10:06:37 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:06:37 -0400
Subject: test - ignore
In-Reply-To: <49FD17F9.2030904@comcast.net>
References: <49FD17F9.2030904@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <491760BE-EFDA-4B7D-B457-00BC42A22BFA@rcn.com>


On May 3, 2009, at 12:05 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Please ignore - this is a test. I'm moving my domains and mail to my  
> new On-Rev account.
>
> Marty K


Just so you know, this went straight to my junk mailbox. Not sure if  
there's something you can change to make it seem like it's not spam?




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May  3 10:29:05 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 07:29:05 -0700
Subject: test - ignore
In-Reply-To: <491760BE-EFDA-4B7D-B457-00BC42A22BFA@rcn.com>
References: <49FD17F9.2030904@comcast.net>
	<491760BE-EFDA-4B7D-B457-00BC42A22BFA@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <921096483203.20090503072905@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:06:37 AM, you wrote:


> On May 3, 2009, at 12:05 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

>> Please ignore - this is a test. I'm moving my domains and mail to my
>> new On-Rev account.
>>
>> Marty K


> Just so you know, this went straight to my junk mailbox. Not sure if
> there's something you can change to make it seem like it's not spam?

I dunno. Seems like an appropriate container. I had to delete it by
hand on my computer - took two entire keystrokes. Whew! I'm worn out
now - that's enough work for one day.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun May  3 11:25:06 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 08:25:06 -0700
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
	<f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FDB752.1010609@comcast.net>

I just threw together a program with a substack, set the Standalone 
settings for the substack to to moved to individual stackfiles & create 
folder for stackfiles (named mine "MyResources) and it saved the data in 
the substack just fine. This is on Rev 3.5 and Mac 10.5.6

Marty Knapp
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>   
>> I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if you put a
>> stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you could save
>> data in that stack.
>>
>> I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent stack then
>> hides itself
>>
>> mahaLexiconLoader.app/
>>   Contents/
>>      info.plist
>>      MacS/
>>        Externals/
>>        lexicon.rev
>>        MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
>>        Pkginfo
>>        Plugins/
>>        Resources/



From fmoyer at aol.com  Sun May  3 11:49:33 2009
From: fmoyer at aol.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:49:33 -0400
Subject: Searching 
Message-ID: <21E1DAC3-800E-4276-B7D1-51299C566EDF@aol.com>

Hi friends:

I love having this mailing list. Whenever I have a Revolution  
question, I search through the list and very often find the answer in  
the various threads.

However, often I only want to read recent threads. So I go to  
"Advanced Search" in Google and choose "Past Year" under Date. What  
inevitably happens is that there are no hits. For example, if I do a  
simple search for "jailbroken" I get 4 hits -- all emails written  
within the past year. But if I do the same search but tell Google I  
only want hits that are from the past year, I get no hits.  
Something's wrong here.

Is there some other way to search through the mailing list?

Thanks
Fred Moyer




From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May  3 12:02:15 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:02:15 -0400
Subject: Searching 
In-Reply-To: <21E1DAC3-800E-4276-B7D1-51299C566EDF@aol.com>
References: <21E1DAC3-800E-4276-B7D1-51299C566EDF@aol.com>
Message-ID: <982ED724-72A6-4FC2-A80E-2D7E2E412F6B@rcn.com>


On May 3, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:

> Is there some other way to search through the mailing list?


Here's something that might help. Try this as a search term in Google:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ 2009 quicktime

That will show the few messages this year that were to do with  
QuickTime. And it finds it on any site that has a copy of the messages  
from this list.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May  3 12:24:47 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:24:47 -0700
Subject: Searching
In-Reply-To: <21E1DAC3-800E-4276-B7D1-51299C566EDF@aol.com>
References: <21E1DAC3-800E-4276-B7D1-51299C566EDF@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1681103425859.20090503092447@ahsoftware.net>

Fred-

Sunday, May 3, 2009, 8:49:33 AM, you wrote:

> However, often I only want to read recent threads. So I go to
> "Advanced Search" in Google and choose "Past Year" under Date. What
> inevitably happens is that there are no hits. For example, if I do a
> simple search for "jailbroken" I get 4 hits -- all emails written  
> within the past year. But if I do the same search but tell Google I
> only want hits that are from the past year, I get no hits.  
> Something's wrong here.

> Is there some other way to search through the mailing list?

Google Search's idea of "Date" is somewhat offbeat. For instance, if
the archive software has recently updated its index list then all the
entries will show up as "new", even if they were posted three years
ago.

Better options are gmane or Nabble.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May  3 13:09:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:09:38 -0500
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <49FDCFD2.2060200@hyperactivesw.com>

barryb at libero.it wrote:
> I am getting quite frustrated with this list. Everytime I get up enough courage 
> to ask a question somebody throws in an example, to somebody else, which 
> answers it! That's why I read all the digests every day and just wait for the 
> tip I need to turn up, although it makes me feel like a lurker which is a name 
> I don't like.
> I just wanted to acknowledge this and say  thanks to ALL of you 
> for the kind help. It may be a slower method of learning but it's certainly 
> more enjoyable than wading through the Docs. Also the Docs don't have backchat 
> as well.  {;-)) 
> Just please keep it up.

:) I say post anyway. We'll just answer the question twice.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May  3 13:22:15 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:22:15 -0500
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FD61BA.7050109@gmail.com>
References: <49FC09AF.9090509@gmail.com>
	<49FC87B1.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905021131230.1817@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<49FD61BA.7050109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FDD2C7.2000705@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Mind you . . .
> 
> The only real reason I can see for using a custom property as opposed
> to an 'on the fly' variable is that a custom property is non-volatile.
> 
> The only real reason I can see for using a custom property as opposed
> to a field is that everything moves just that much faster.

I'm curious now. If you wanted to create a moveable button scenario like 
my example does, what method would you use to store their start 
locations and move them back later?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From fmoyer at aol.com  Sun May  3 13:35:18 2009
From: fmoyer at aol.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:35:18 -0400
Subject: Unexpected changes in 3.0
Message-ID: <4F943D6A-F806-40E3-9A37-6FFADC8EB1DE@aol.com>

Hi:

There are so many improvements with 3.5, so I guess it's no surprise  
that there would be a few unexpected changes in behavior. For example:
    - It used to be that "save stack x" was done transparently -- the  
user wouldn't even know that the stack is being saved. Now, if some  
text is selected while Rev saves the stack, the text ceases to be  
selected.
    - Sorting: Now when sorting a list where the last char of the list  
is return character, the result in certain cases is a list where line  
1 is a blank line. With 3.0, such a sort would not yield this result.  
I think this is not a good change and could have disastrous results  
in certain situations for programmers unaware of it.

What I'd like to know: is there a list of these changes? I can't find  
it in either the "Read_Me_First.txt" that comes with the  
installation, nor http://www.runrev.com/whats-new/.

Thanks
Fred 


From DunbarX at aol.com  Sun May  3 13:58:24 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:58:24 EDT
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
Message-ID: <c39.52bb781d.372f3540@aol.com>

This is all about the name, eh, not the elegant and compact functionality?

I suppose one would make a field that contained the id's of the objects, a 
space, perhaps, the startLoc, another space and the endLoc. One line per 
object. You can then put and get all the data as needed. It is what I would do 
in HC. There, i said it.

But a customProp is SO much more elegant that I know this debate will be 
over soon. In fact, as soon as some need or other arises in the development 
process, which should be any minute now...

Craig Newman
In a message dated 5/3/09 1:22:46 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> I'm curious now. If you wanted to create a moveable button scenario like
> my example does, what method would you use to store their start
> locations and move them back later?
> 




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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun May  3 14:57:33 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:57:33 +0200
Subject: Unexpected changes in 3.0
In-Reply-To: <4F943D6A-F806-40E3-9A37-6FFADC8EB1DE@aol.com>
References: <4F943D6A-F806-40E3-9A37-6FFADC8EB1DE@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15A7F1B0-6082-4F6B-A093-8FC90A4E770E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Fred,

The first issue seems another bug to me. You should probably report it  
to the QCC.

The second issue is just a restoration of the situation that of Rev  
2.6.1 and HyperCard. Deletion of empty lines during a sort causes a  
problem if you want to keep the number of lines equal. If you need to  
remove empty lines, simply use the filter command.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

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On 3 mei 2009, at 19:35, Fred Moyer wrote:

> Hi:
>
> There are so many improvements with 3.5, so I guess it's no surprise  
> that there would be a few unexpected changes in behavior. For example:
>   - It used to be that "save stack x" was done transparently -- the  
> user wouldn't even know that the stack is being saved. Now, if some  
> text is selected while Rev saves the stack, the text ceases to be  
> selected.
>   - Sorting: Now when sorting a list where the last char of the list  
> is return character, the result in certain cases is a list where  
> line 1 is a blank line. With 3.0, such a sort would not yield this  
> result. I think this is not a good change and could have disastrous  
> results in certain situations for programmers unaware of it.
>
> What I'd like to know: is there a list of these changes? I can't  
> find it in either the "Read_Me_First.txt" that comes with the  
> installation, nor http://www.runrev.com/whats-new/.
>
> Thanks
> Fred




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May  3 15:35:40 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:35:40 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 3 of N
In-Reply-To: <c39.52bb781d.372f3540@aol.com>
References: <c39.52bb781d.372f3540@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49FDF20C.4010908@gmail.com>

Just before I left Scotland for Bulgaria (2003ish) Klaus Major took
me to task for my distinctly in-elegant coding; and, frankly, it still
is fairly inelegant. But I'm the chap that wears second-hand clothes,
uses second-hand computers, and isn't that fussed about what people
think about him (although, oddly enough, I do care about my wife's
opinion) as long as I can achieve my aims.

If I were designing programs for an employer (rather than myself)
I would take great care about the nature of my code (a thing I have
done in the past, when I was not my own boss), in-code documentation
(so, when the number 10 bus squashed me flat my successor could
have half a chance at continuing my work) and would also wear a pressed
shirt, trousers and tie (instead of a tatty old kilt). I might, just 
possibly,
polish my shoes.  :)

This is fast becoming a 'world view' discussion, rather than one about
whether one can get away without custom properties forever (or, at
least as things stand just now).

"Elegance" is jolly nice, but "elegance" often involves more thought,
more time, and more money. Now, this Merry May Holiday (1 to 6 of May
here in Bulgaria - paid for by working several Saturdays later in the 
month),
while I have had a Merry May Influenza with a Merry May Temperature of
102 degs F I have 'belted out' a fair old number of "quick 'n' dirty"
standalones for LInux that will guide my log-suffering pupils through the
niceties of converting Direct into Reported Speech, Adverbs of Frequency
and Careers. Had I stopped to worry about 'elegance' I would have got
bogged down before I started. Feverish, I worked feverishly !!!!

I also spent considerable time working with GIMP to make sure that
the imagery in my teaching programs, as well as the general GUIs
was up the the standard I expect of myself: THIS IS WHAT THE END-USERS
SEE, not my tatty code!

I am a lucky man; no boss, my own children do the beta testing, and
as I use 'tatty, old PCs' speed of code execution is not of the essence.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I do not dispute the elegance of custom properties, speedy code,
keeping things in one place (rather than a string of:

do fld "blob"
do fld "blab"
do fld "blub"

and so on, ad nauseam), but as I get paid for the time that I teach,
rather than the time I program, and I would much rather spend my
time in forny of the computer writing long, tendentious messages
like this . . .   :)   . . . and learning more about Runtime Revolution's
seemingly endless capabilities, I can't be bothered with elegant code.

sincerely, Richmond Matheswon.

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> This is all about the name, eh, not the elegant and compact functionality?
>
> I suppose one would make a field that contained the id's of the objects, a 
> space, perhaps, the startLoc, another space and the endLoc. One line per 
> object. You can then put and get all the data as needed. It is what I would do 
> in HC. There, i said it.
>
> But a customProp is SO much more elegant that I know this debate will be 
> over soon. In fact, as soon as some need or other arises in the development 
> process, which should be any minute now...
>
> Craig Newman
> In a message dated 5/3/09 1:22:46 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:
>
>
>   
>> I'm curious now. If you wanted to create a moveable button scenario like
>> my example does, what method would you use to store their start
>> locations and move them back later?
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun May  3 18:57:58 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:57:58 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>
	<f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FE2176.5090302@hindu.org>

Good Idea... I created a status field and added the following to the 
stack script: (see below)

Status shows empty if opened and move from card to card (saving each 
time) in the IDE.
but in the Standalone I get the message:

"stack does not have a filename"

I tried to set save to

save stack "lexicon.rev"

but I get the same message, in fact I get and error msg in the IDE that 
this is the wrong form (can't find stack "lexicon.rev" as the syntax for 
this uses the stack property name of the stack and not the file name of 
the stack. 

And in response to Jim's questions (I'm on Kauai Jim... come visit!)

1) What OS are you seeing this issue in? 
-- OSX 10.5.6
2)  Where on the drive is the standalone
sitting? 

--/Users/sivakatirswami/_RevData/Lexicon/MahaLexiconLoader/MahaLexiconLoader.app

3) Also, would you change the *this stack* reference to something more
specific such as *the owner of this card* or better *stack "StackName"* and
report if there is any difference?

-- neither of these reference change the error message which still in the result 
"stack does not have a filename"

I also tried checking the default folder at the moment of save from inside the standalone
 -- it looks correct:

/Users/sivakatirswami/_RevData/Lexicon/MahaLexiconLoader/MahaLexiconLoader.app/Contents/MacOS




on openCard
   save  stack "Lexicon"
   showStatus(the result)
  try
  put the number of this card into fld "cardNo"
  end try
end openCard

On closestack
save  stack "Lexicon"
   if the environment <> "development" then quit

end closestack

on showStatus tMsg
   put tMsg into fld "status"
   Show fld "status" with visual effect dissolve very fast
   send hideStatus to me in 30 ticks
end showStatus

on hideStatus
    hide fld "status" with visual effect dissolve slow
end hideStatus




Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>   
>> I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if you put a
>> stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you could save
>> data in that stack.
>>
>> I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent stack then
>> hides itself
>>
>> mahaLexiconLoader.app/
>>   Contents/
>>      info.plist
>>      MacS/
>>        Externals/
>>        lexicon.rev
>>        MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
>>        Pkginfo
>>        Plugins/
>>        Resources/
>>
>> I could have sworn that last year using an early version of Rev that in this
>> contect if the stack "lexicon.rev" has a handler such as:
>>     
>
> It should do, although I haven't tried it lately.
> Can you check "the result" after the save command?
> Does the current user have admin privileges? If not, then they will
> not be able to write to the Applications folder.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun May  3 19:05:30 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05:30 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <49FDB752.1010609@comcast.net>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>	<f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FDB752.1010609@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49FE233A.8050902@hindu.org>

Marty Knapp wrote:
> I just threw together a program with a substack, set the Standalone 
> settings for the substack to to moved to individual stackfiles & 
> create folder for stackfiles (named mine "MyResources) and it saved 
> the data in the substack just fine. This is on Rev 3.5 and Mac 10.5.6

In this case the stack is not a substack, but an external stack... but 
it should not make  difference.
but to test I just now tried using the add stack files feature, picked 
the "lexicon.rev" and ran the standalone build. The option to set a 
folder was not available. it took a really long time to build for some 
reason. The lexicon.rev stack has about 3400 cards but is only 1.2 MB in 
size. Why iut should take 4 minutes to build is a mystery.

At any rate, the build was successful, but in the end, the layout for 
the stack position was just the same as manually placing it into the 
/Contents/MacOS/ folder. Rev standalone builder just put the stack in 
the package, same place as you see below.  Also I get the exact same 
error... it will not save. the result returns

save stack "Lexicon"

the result:

"stack does not have a filename"

(see other post on this)




>
> Marty Knapp
>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>  
>>> I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if 
>>> you put a
>>> stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you 
>>> could save
>>> data in that stack.
>>>
>>> I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent 
>>> stack then
>>> hides itself
>>>
>>> mahaLexiconLoader.app/
>>>   Contents/
>>>      info.plist
>>>      MacS/
>>>        Externals/
>>>        lexicon.rev
>>>        MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
>>>        Pkginfo
>>>        Plugins/
>>>        Resources/
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May  3 19:12:43 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:12:43 +1000
Subject: Joining 2 images
Message-ID: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all you graphics gurus out there,

I have 2 images, each 40 x 40 pixels.
I want to join then side by side to end up with an image 80 x 40.
Since this is for use in On-Rev, it has to work in script only, no
stack or image objects can be used.

I am a complete noob when it come to graphics, but I know there are
people here who are experts, so if anyone has any suggestions, I would
be most grateful.

Thanks,
Sarah


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May  3 20:40:15 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:40:15 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <49FE233A.8050902@hindu.org>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>	<f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>	<49FDB752.1010609@comcast.net>
	<49FE233A.8050902@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <000001c9cc50$e47f5590$ad7e00b0$@com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

Don't make the stack part of your standalone build. Rather, go or go
invisible to the stack from the preOpenStack of the splash stack in your
standalone. Doing this sets the filename of the stack. Then you can save it.
When you go to the stack, use a fully qualified path. So, if the stack is in
the same directory as your standalone, then *go stack (the defaultFolder &
slash & "lexicon.rev")* Now the stack will have a fileName property and can
be saved. If it is in subdirectories of the root, just add the subdirectory
path to the above as in (the defaultFolder & slash &
"subdirectory/subdirectory/lexicon.rev"). The only thing that can stop a
save then is user rights to the path.

Aloha from another Island of Hawaii ;-)

Jim Bufalini

> Marty Knapp wrote:
> > I just threw together a program with a substack, set the Standalone
> > settings for the substack to to moved to individual stackfiles &
> > create folder for stackfiles (named mine "MyResources) and it saved
> > the data in the substack just fine. This is on Rev 3.5 and Mac 10.5.6
> 
> In this case the stack is not a substack, but an external stack... but
> it should not make  difference.
> but to test I just now tried using the add stack files feature, picked
> the "lexicon.rev" and ran the standalone build. The option to set a
> folder was not available. it took a really long time to build for some
> reason. The lexicon.rev stack has about 3400 cards but is only 1.2 MB
> in
> size. Why iut should take 4 minutes to build is a mystery.
> 
> At any rate, the build was successful, but in the end, the layout for
> the stack position was just the same as manually placing it into the
> /Contents/MacOS/ folder. Rev standalone builder just put the stack in
> the package, same place as you see below.  Also I get the exact same
> error... it will not save. the result returns
> 
> save stack "Lexicon"
> 
> the result:
> 
> "stack does not have a filename"
> 
> (see other post on this)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Marty Knapp
> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I know this has been asked and answered but I thought for sure if
> >>> you put a
> >>> stack inside a standalone, separate from the standalone, that you
> >>> could save
> >>> data in that stack.
> >>>
> >>> I made the usual standalone splash loader that boots an adjacent
> >>> stack then
> >>> hides itself
> >>>
> >>> mahaLexiconLoader.app/
> >>>   Contents/
> >>>      info.plist
> >>>      MacS/
> >>>        Externals/
> >>>        lexicon.rev
> >>>        MahaLexiconLoader # the stand alone launcher-splash screen
> >>>        Pkginfo
> >>>        Plugins/
> >>>        Resources/
> >
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From lists at futilism.com  Sun May  3 20:56:39 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:56:39 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>

Sarah, others may know better, but I think you'll find this difficult  
to do. The way one might do this in a stack would be to import both  
images, then get the imageData of each, and join them up.

The imageData is actually just a list of pixel values as they are  
rendered by rev. Typically, a jpeg or png image file does not  
actually contain that data, it will contain a compressed version  
which you can't just stick together in the same way.

You may need to look into a command line tool like image magick that  
you can make shell calls to, either to extract the imageData or to do  
the whole job.

Hopefully someone more knowledgable will be able to tell us I'm  
wrong, but that's my understanding. :(

best,

Mark


On 4 May 2009, at 00:12, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi all you graphics gurus out there,
>
> I have 2 images, each 40 x 40 pixels.
> I want to join then side by side to end up with an image 80 x 40.
> Since this is for use in On-Rev, it has to work in script only, no
> stack or image objects can be used.
>
> I am a complete noob when it come to graphics, but I know there are
> people here who are experts, so if anyone has any suggestions, I would
> be most grateful.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From lists at futilism.com  Sun May  3 20:58:11 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:58:11 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>

This may be easy to do in magick:

http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#append

Best,

Mark

On 4 May 2009, at 01:56, Mark Smith wrote:

> Sarah, others may know better, but I think you'll find this  
> difficult to do. The way one might do this in a stack would be to  
> import both images, then get the imageData of each, and join them up.
>
> The imageData is actually just a list of pixel values as they are  
> rendered by rev. Typically, a jpeg or png image file does not  
> actually contain that data, it will contain a compressed version  
> which you can't just stick together in the same way.
>
> You may need to look into a command line tool like image magick  
> that you can make shell calls to, either to extract the imageData  
> or to do the whole job.
>
> Hopefully someone more knowledgable will be able to tell us I'm  
> wrong, but that's my understanding. :(
>
> best,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 4 May 2009, at 00:12, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Hi all you graphics gurus out there,
>>
>> I have 2 images, each 40 x 40 pixels.
>> I want to join then side by side to end up with an image 80 x 40.
>> Since this is for use in On-Rev, it has to work in script only, no
>> stack or image objects can be used.
>>
>> I am a complete noob when it come to graphics, but I know there are
>> people here who are experts, so if anyone has any suggestions, I  
>> would
>> be most grateful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sarah
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From lists at futilism.com  Sun May  3 21:14:12 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 02:14:12 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>

In fact it is easy:

if you want to join two images, "img1.jpg" and 'img2.jpg" it would  
look like this:

get shell("convert img1.jpg img2.jpg +append result.jpg")

As far as I can tell, magick is not installed on on-rev - I'm not  
sure how you'd go about installing it, as we don't seem to get shell  
access. Perhaps a call to on-rev support?

Best,

Mark

On 4 May 2009, at 01:58, Mark Smith wrote:

> This may be easy to do in magick:
>
> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#append
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 4 May 2009, at 01:56, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Sarah, others may know better, but I think you'll find this  
>> difficult to do. The way one might do this in a stack would be to  
>> import both images, then get the imageData of each, and join them up.
>>
>> The imageData is actually just a list of pixel values as they are  
>> rendered by rev. Typically, a jpeg or png image file does not  
>> actually contain that data, it will contain a compressed version  
>> which you can't just stick together in the same way.
>>
>> You may need to look into a command line tool like image magick  
>> that you can make shell calls to, either to extract the imageData  
>> or to do the whole job.
>>
>> Hopefully someone more knowledgable will be able to tell us I'm  
>> wrong, but that's my understanding. :(
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 4 May 2009, at 00:12, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all you graphics gurus out there,
>>>
>>> I have 2 images, each 40 x 40 pixels.
>>> I want to join then side by side to end up with an image 80 x 40.
>>> Since this is for use in On-Rev, it has to work in script only, no
>>> stack or image objects can be used.
>>>
>>> I am a complete noob when it come to graphics, but I know there are
>>> people here who are experts, so if anyone has any suggestions, I  
>>> would
>>> be most grateful.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sarah
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun May  3 22:50:43 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:50:43 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9cc50$e47f5590$ad7e00b0$@com>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>	<f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>	<49FDB752.1010609@comcast.net>	<49FE233A.8050902@hindu.org>
	<000001c9cc50$e47f5590$ad7e00b0$@com>
Message-ID: <49FE5803.3090801@hindu.org>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
> Don't make the stack part of your standalone build. Rather, go or go
> invisible to the stack from the preOpenStack of the splash stack in your
> standalone. Doing this sets the filename of the stack. Then you can save it.
> When you go to the stack, use a fully qualified path. So, if the stack is in
> the same directory as your standalone, then *go stack (the defaultFolder &
> slash & "lexicon.rev")* Now the stack will have a fileName property and can
> be saved. If it is in subdirectories of the root, just add the subdirectory
> path to the above as in (the defaultFolder & slash &
> "subdirectory/subdirectory/lexicon.rev"). The only thing that can stop a
> save then is user rights to the path.
>
> Aloha from another Island of Hawaii ;-)
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>   

Aloha, Jim:

You got it! Problem solved:

go stack url "binfile:lexicon.rev" = bogus... I think we did that in 
another project where the stack would not open  properly... can't 
remember why we need to use the url binfile format to  get the stack to 
open.

But, it was doing exactly like downloading from the web...
open in ram but no file name.

This works now...

on loadFromDisk #start up handler
   set itemdel to "/"
   set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of 
this stack  
   --go stack url "binfile:lexicon.rev" #doesn't work
   go stack (the defaultfolder&"/lexicon.rev") # now it will save! hurray...
   hide stack "MahaLexiconLoader"
end loadFromDisk

It's been raining here on Kauai since last October, and only last week 
did it stop.
I was so happy to see dust coming up from the tractor when I went out to 
mow the fields finally!

Cheers

skts



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May  3 23:10:49 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:10:49 +1000
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905032010k21cbc065n5558b982ad1796ad@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com> wrote:
> In fact it is easy:
>
> if you want to join two images, "img1.jpg" and 'img2.jpg" it would look like
> this:
>
> get shell("convert img1.jpg img2.jpg +append result.jpg")
>
> As far as I can tell, magick is not installed on on-rev - I'm not sure how
> you'd go about installing it, as we don't seem to get shell access. Perhaps
> a call to on-rev support?
>

Thanks heaps for this Mark, I'll email support and see what they can do.

Regards,
Sarah


From lists at futilism.com  Sun May  3 23:10:52 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 04:10:52 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <85F6863A-4A21-41E5-B4E8-C2FCF9A29312@futilism.com>

I've nearly got it working without image magick.

This works perfectly in the rev ide:

function joinImages imgFile1, imgFile2

	set the textdata of the templateimage to url ("binfile:" & imgFile1)
	put the width of the templateimage into w1
	put the height of the templateimage into h1
	put the imagedata of the templateimage into tid1

	set the textdata of the templateimage to url ("binfile:" & imgFile2)
	put the width of the templateimage into w2
	put the height of the templateimage into h2
	put the imagedata of the templateimage into tid2

	put max(h1, h2) into h3

	put 0 into bytesDone1
	put 0 into bytesDone2
	
	repeat with n = 1 to h3
		if n <= h1 then
			put byte (bytesDone1 + 1) to (bytesDone1 + (w1 * 4)) of tid1 after  
tid3
		else
			repeat w1 * 4
				put null after tid3
			end repeat	
		end if
		add w1 * 4 to bytesDone1

		if n <= h2 then
			put byte (bytesDone2 + 1) to (bytesDone2 + (w2 * 4)) of tid2 after  
tid3
		else
			repeat w2 * 4
				put null after tid3
			end repeat	
		end if
		add w2 * 4 to bytesDone2
	end repeat

	set the width of the templateimage to w1 + w2
	set the height of the templateimage to h3
	set the imageData of the templateimage to tid3

	put "composite.jpg" into tFile
	export the templateimage to file tFile as JPEG
	return tFile
end joinimages

but all it produces on irev is a shocking pink rectangle :  http:// 
marksmith.on-rev.com/imagejoin.irev

Perhaps there's a bug to do with imageData in the irev engine.

best,

Mark



On 4 May 2009, at 02:14, Mark Smith wrote:

> In fact it is easy:
>
> if you want to join two images, "img1.jpg" and 'img2.jpg" it would  
> look like this:
>
> get shell("convert img1.jpg img2.jpg +append result.jpg")
>
> As far as I can tell, magick is not installed on on-rev - I'm not  
> sure how you'd go about installing it, as we don't seem to get  
> shell access. Perhaps a call to on-rev support?
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 4 May 2009, at 01:58, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> This may be easy to do in magick:
>>
>> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#append
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 4 May 2009, at 01:56, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah, others may know better, but I think you'll find this  
>>> difficult to do. The way one might do this in a stack would be to  
>>> import both images, then get the imageData of each, and join them  
>>> up.
>>>
>>> The imageData is actually just a list of pixel values as they are  
>>> rendered by rev. Typically, a jpeg or png image file does not  
>>> actually contain that data, it will contain a compressed version  
>>> which you can't just stick together in the same way.
>>>
>>> You may need to look into a command line tool like image magick  
>>> that you can make shell calls to, either to extract the imageData  
>>> or to do the whole job.
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone more knowledgable will be able to tell us I'm  
>>> wrong, but that's my understanding. :(
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2009, at 00:12, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all you graphics gurus out there,
>>>>
>>>> I have 2 images, each 40 x 40 pixels.
>>>> I want to join then side by side to end up with an image 80 x 40.
>>>> Since this is for use in On-Rev, it has to work in script only, no
>>>> stack or image objects can be used.
>>>>
>>>> I am a complete noob when it come to graphics, but I know there are
>>>> people here who are experts, so if anyone has any suggestions, I  
>>>> would
>>>> be most grateful.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sarah
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May  3 23:13:45 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:13:45 +1000
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <85F6863A-4A21-41E5-B4E8-C2FCF9A29312@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<85F6863A-4A21-41E5-B4E8-C2FCF9A29312@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905032013q4adc2555hd7655694ef4a96e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com> wrote:
> I've nearly got it working without image magick.
>
> This works perfectly in the rev ide:
>
> function joinImages imgFile1, imgFile2
>
> ? ? ? ?set the textdata of the templateimage to url ("binfile:" & imgFile1)


I would guess that since on-rev is not stack-based, you have no access
to the templateImage.
But this is the sort of thing I was hoping for.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lists at futilism.com  Sun May  3 23:35:05 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 04:35:05 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905032013q4adc2555hd7655694ef4a96e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<85F6863A-4A21-41E5-B4E8-C2FCF9A29312@futilism.com>
	<f99b52860905032013q4adc2555hd7655694ef4a96e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5581DBBD-47AE-40EF-957C-F85F8BD84FAE@futilism.com>

Well it seems to kniow about the templateImage, because it can get  
it's dimensions and so on, and gets no errors - perhaps it's in the  
export statement - though as I say, the script runs and returns  
without errors...

Best,

Mark

On 4 May 2009, at 04:13, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>
> I would guess that since on-rev is not stack-based, you have no access
> to the templateImage.
> But this is the sort of thing I was hoping for.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May  4 01:42:23 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:42:23 +0800
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
In-Reply-To: <d5f.4adba31c.372c5c8b@aol.com>
References: <d5f.4adba31c.372c5c8b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905032242x55c8476fx21ccafcb4bb99b33@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:09 PM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Almost anyone could create an alarm system, a light show or the like with
> radio shack components. You need hobby level electronic know-how to do
> anything really cool, but your Mac can completely control the world. It is
> hardware I/O for the rest of us.
>
> For a lot less money and more capability you might want to check out one of
these (you'll need advanced hobby level electronics know-how):

http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_112&products_id=149

If that's a little too hard for you and you wish to stick with hobby level
electronics know-how, then adding this expansion module is still cheaper:

http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?products_id=198

What I like is it's ethernet based, although there other options. As such
you can control things at home from the office and don't necessarily need
Rev, you can do it with a web browser :-) Check out the example they have
hooked up to the internet, you can turn it's ports on and off from your
browser.

Now that's cool and cheap :-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May  4 01:56:12 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:56:12 +0800
Subject: Positive Feedback
In-Reply-To: <49FD7DF2.9080905@gmail.com>
References: <49FD7DF2.9080905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905032256h8458a0bya66bda2ae184b808@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I constantly get 'funny'
> looks...


It's the kilt ;-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May  4 02:02:11 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:02:11 +0800
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <16699072.429871241351015572.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905032302q6c9d3a0bqb27d8b26a114a05a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 7:43 PM, barryb at libero.it <barryb at libero.it> wrote:

> That's why I read all the digests every day and just wait for the
> tip I need to turn up, although it makes me feel like a lurker which is a
> name
> I don't like.


That's easy to solve, make another post. At two posts you are officially no
longer a lurker and are upgraded to full question posting privileges ;-)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 04:30:44 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:30:44 +0300
Subject: [OT] Web hosting?
Message-ID: <49FEA7B4.9060707@gmail.com>

My website seems to have 'gone' insofar as I can no longer edit it.

http://mail.maclaunch.com/richmond/

So. last night, in a fit of desperation (well, maybe not desperation) I 
did this:

http://richmondmathewson.wetpaint.com/

which, if you take a look at it, is bl**dy awful; a real case of not
seeing the wood for the trees.

Anyway, it will not do . . .

I would be grateful for any pointers to free web hosting services that might
allow me to end up with something that looks a bit better, and allows me
proper off-line editing prior to up-loading rather than the MIckey-Mouse
stuff at Wetpaint (even the name makes me shudder).

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 04:34:05 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:34:05 +0300
Subject: Positive Feedback
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905032256h8458a0bya66bda2ae184b808@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49FD7DF2.9080905@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905032256h8458a0bya66bda2ae184b808@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FEA87D.6070508@gmail.com>

I may be a bit daft, but I don't really wear a kilt here in Bulgaria;
a country, like others in the Balkans, known for ethnic tensions
and screaming racism: being red-haired here is bad enough.  :)

However, Kay, I trust you will be there in Edinburgh, when I shall
appear in my full nausea!

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>>  I constantly get 'funny'
>> looks...
>>     
>
>
> It's the kilt ;-)
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon May  4 05:00:52 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:00:52 +0200
Subject: [OT] Web hosting?
In-Reply-To: <49FEA7B4.9060707@gmail.com>
References: <49FEA7B4.9060707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <260D0101-6BC1-45AB-BC79-F9F167CBF68F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

I might be able to help you. It is not completely free, but certainly  
cheap (all necessary features are there and I'm tempted to call it  
inexpensive rather than cheap, but that's... cheap ;-) ). Contact me  
off-list if you're interested.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 4 mei 2009, at 10:30, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> My website seems to have 'gone' insofar as I can no longer edit it.
>
> http://mail.maclaunch.com/richmond/
>
> So. last night, in a fit of desperation (well, maybe not  
> desperation) I did this:
>
> http://richmondmathewson.wetpaint.com/
>
> which, if you take a look at it, is bl**dy awful; a real case of not
> seeing the wood for the trees.
>
> Anyway, it will not do . . .
>
> I would be grateful for any pointers to free web hosting services  
> that might
> allow me to end up with something that looks a bit better, and  
> allows me
> proper off-line editing prior to up-loading rather than the MIckey- 
> Mouse
> stuff at Wetpaint (even the name makes me shudder).
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 05:30:22 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 12:30:22 +0300
Subject: Joining Images - cheating
Message-ID: <49FEB5AE.7040900@gmail.com>

Presumably this can only be done in RR, rather
than on-rev?

Import 2 images, put them side by side, and export
a snapshot to file.


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May  4 06:18:43 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 00:18:43 -1000
Subject: Save Data to stack inside Standalone - Broken?
In-Reply-To: <49FE5803.3090801@hindu.org>
References: <49FD21B0.5070303@hindu.org>	<f99b52860905030144h229260d3x26fc8e1ca86b48d2@mail.gmail.com>	<49FDB752.1010609@comcast.net>	<49FE233A.8050902@hindu.org>	<000001c9cc50$e47f5590$ad7e00b0$@com>
	<49FE5803.3090801@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <000101c9cca1$b48955b0$1d9c0110$@com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

> You got it! Problem solved:

Great.
 
> go stack url "binfile:lexicon.rev" = bogus... I think we did that in
> another project where the stack would not open  properly... can't
> remember why we need to use the url binfile format to  get the stack to
> open.
> 
> But, it was doing exactly like downloading from the web...
> open in ram but no file name.
> 
> This works now...
> 
> on loadFromDisk #start up handler
>    set itemdel to "/"
>    set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of
> this stack
>    --go stack url "binfile:lexicon.rev" #doesn't work
>    go stack (the defaultfolder&"/lexicon.rev") # now it will save!
> hurray...
>    hide stack "MahaLexiconLoader"
> end loadFromDisk

One more gotchya to look out for when constructing fully qualified file
paths for cross-platform development. I gave the example I did because you
said, in answer to one of my questions, that you were on a Mac. Then I read
in a post you made to another list that you must be developing for
cross-platform. Either that, or you've made a significant dent into the Mac
market. ;-) 

Using the default folder or item 1 to -2 of the filename of stack... tends
to work fine cross-platform, where Rev is handling the translation. But, as
soon as you start hard coding slashes (as in your and my example), you can
run into issues on different platforms for different commands. PCs don't
like slashes and servers don't like backslashes. ;-) So best to be safe and
have something like this:

Global gfd -- for file delimiter

IF the platform = "MacOS" OR the platform <> "Win32" THEN 
      put "/" into gfd
	... Any other platform specifics like fonts.
Else
	Put "\" into gfd
	... same
End if

Then hardcode slash (/) as you did above. But, right before doing file
manipulations, put a:

Replace slash with gfd in <tFullyQualifiedFilePath>

This will save you from scratching your head over "file not found" errors.
It also allows you to use *set itemdel to gfd* without having to think. ;-)
Of course, always use slash (/) when addressing servers, regardless of what
the desktop platform is.

> It's been raining here on Kauai since last October, and only last week
> did it stop.
> I was so happy to see dust coming up from the tractor when I went out
> to
> mow the fields finally!

It's a lot wetter there. ;-) I think we've had one day of solid rain here
(outside of the occasional "liquid sunshine" sprinkles during the day) in
the past few weeks. Then again, the only fields I have are in Rev. ;-) Is
plowing fields why you invited me to visit? ;-)

Aloha from a sunnier Island of Hawaii, ;-)

Jim Bufalini



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May  4 07:10:21 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:21 +0100
Subject: OT:  What to use on a PIII in Bulgaria?
Message-ID: <200905041210.21550.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I'd not use Xubuntu out of the box - Distrowatch this week has a nice piece 
showing that its very much more resource intensive, like in some cases 
10x,  than Xfce on Debian.  

One could do a custom Xubuntu install and leave out all the fat.  In which 
case a barebones Lenny install will be more stable and no more trouble.

But surely the logical choice for a PIII is not Xfce, Gnome or KDE, but 
Fluxbox, and maybe not even Debian or Ubuntu, but Puppy with one of the 
minimalist WMs, Fluxbox or JWM for instance.  A barebones Debian with 
Fluxbox or JWM will be quite fast.  Slax is also not bad, a bit more 
featured than Puppy and comes with Fluxbox which you can use instead of 
the stripped down KDE which is the default.

Xfce is a bit lighter weight than Gnome or KDE, but there is not a huge 
amount in it, and Fluxbox beats all three by a mile.  Puppy is brilliant 
for low end machines.  There is a minimalist Fluxbox Ubuntu, Fluxbuntu.  
Might be worth considering also if one really wants to stay with Ubuntu.

Peter


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon May  4 07:16:51 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:16:51 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/4 Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com>

>
> get shell("convert img1.jpg img2.jpg +append result.jpg")
>
> As far as I can tell, magick is not installed on on-rev - I'm not sure how
> you'd go about installing it, as we don't seem to get shell access. Perhaps
> a call to on-rev support?


Are you sure? Would be a strange hosting setup without a bit of magick?

I'll have to email support and get my shell access sorted. Is anyone with
shell access able to confirm which common command line utilities are
available to us (aside from the basic unix commands) - do we have access to
./configue / make etc?


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May  4 07:35:42 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:35:42 -0400
Subject: data grid, custom sorting
In-Reply-To: <EF2B7FA4-8773-4173-88AA-BFBEB1E7D5F2@wehostmacs.com>
References: <EF2B7FA4-8773-4173-88AA-BFBEB1E7D5F2@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <7C73B992-DCE9-4D92-8C28-47365E189A91@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 2, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> When sorting a list of files by size I thought it would be nice to  
> display the sizes in more readable format (5.6 MB, 320 KB, etc) yet  
> doing a sort on the size column in the data grid would sort properly  
> for the numbers but would not be sorted correctly for the actual  
> sizes. Rooting around in the data grid parentScript I came across  
> "sortDataByKey" which allows you sort based on the actual data in  
> the dgData instead of what is displayed (1024 instead of 1 KB) -  
> that was the easy part.

While your custom sort will work one other approach would be to leave  
the data in your column in the original format so that numerical  
sorting still works. You could then format the data for display in the  
FillInData message.

> The hard part, which took all of four hours and one kernel panic  
> (which is my fourth one with the data grid), I managed to get the  
> column headers correctly hiliting (the documentation clearly point  
> this out as dgHilite so not too hard to figure out what command to  
> use). What the docs clearly miss though is that this is not a  
> property of the data grid (which would make it much easier to use  
> [feature request :) ]) but a property of the column header group so  
> you need to call it by its medium name (not a real feature of Rev).

I don't believe the docs state anywhere that dgHilite is a property of  
the data grid but says it is a property of a template. See here:

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3462-Template-Custom-Properties 
 >

Row and column templates have the dgHilite property set so that you  
can visually change the look of the row and column.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 07:37:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 14:37:06 +0300
Subject: OT:  What to use on a PIII in Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <200905041210.21550.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200905041210.21550.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49FED362.8070502@gmail.com>

I have just 'redone' my PIIIs with Ubuntu 8.04; from what I can
see they seem no slower than 5.10 --- we shall see over the next few
weeks; the reason I did this was to play .SWF files. Certainly for
my RR programs they are OK; otherwise we shall have to wait and see.

However, I foresee a "dirty weekend" where I spend a lot of time
sending them back to 5.10 . . .  If the price of playing .SWF files
is that Open Office grinds to a shuddering halt, then it's not worth
it: especially as my G3 iMac at the front of the classroom is very
happy with the .SWF files.

Logical Choices are all well and good, but one has to deal with
children who cannot function unless the GUI looks remarkably like
Windows XP.

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> I'd not use Xubuntu out of the box - Distrowatch this week has a nice piece 
> showing that its very much more resource intensive, like in some cases 
> 10x,  than Xfce on Debian.  
>
> One could do a custom Xubuntu install and leave out all the fat.  In which 
> case a barebones Lenny install will be more stable and no more trouble.
>
> But surely the logical choice for a PIII is not Xfce, Gnome or KDE, but 
> Fluxbox, and maybe not even Debian or Ubuntu, but Puppy with one of the 
> minimalist WMs, Fluxbox or JWM for instance.  A barebones Debian with 
> Fluxbox or JWM will be quite fast.  Slax is also not bad, a bit more 
> featured than Puppy and comes with Fluxbox which you can use instead of 
> the stripped down KDE which is the default.
>
> Xfce is a bit lighter weight than Gnome or KDE, but there is not a huge 
> amount in it, and Fluxbox beats all three by a mile.  Puppy is brilliant 
> for low end machines.  There is a minimalist Fluxbox Ubuntu, Fluxbuntu.  
> Might be worth considering also if one really wants to stay with Ubuntu.
>
> Peter
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May  4 07:45:59 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:45:59 -0400
Subject: data grid - contextual menu
In-Reply-To: <D8BA2AB0-B356-4F65-A01E-D7BA51214753@wehostmacs.com>
References: <D8BA2AB0-B356-4F65-A01E-D7BA51214753@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <D0944FC7-535B-4A87-A64C-EAB5DDA74722@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 2, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> [apologize in advanced if this is a double post]
>
> This seems to work and unless Trevor chimes in and says not to do it  
> this way, it seems to work just fine
>
> on mouseDown pButton
>  if (pButton = 3) then     -- right click
>    dgMouseDown pButton
>    # do context menu stuff
>  else
>    pass mouseDown
>  end if
> end mouseDown

Yes, this is how you would display a contextual. I haven't added this  
to the docs yet but I did cover this and some other even related  
information in the webinar the other day.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From lists at futilism.com  Mon May  4 07:47:11 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:47:11 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>

Well, a shell call to "convert" within an irev script got the dreaded  
"command not found" response...


Also, a bit more on the templateimage in on-rev:

You can <set the textdata of the templateimage to someFile.jpg">
and then get the correct dimensions of the referenced image file with
<the width of the templateimage> and <the height of the templateimage>
but <the imagedata of the templateimage>, though it will be the right  
size, will be all nulls...

I've mentioned it in the on-rev forum, so we'll see if the magicians  
at runrev can make such things work in on-rev.

To see what I mean, go here: http://marksmith.on-rev.com/imagejoin.irev
and to see the script that's doing it: http://marksmith.on-rev.com/ 
joinimages.inc

Best,

Mark

On 4 May 2009, at 12:16, David Bovill wrote:

> 2009/5/4 Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com>
>
>>
>> get shell("convert img1.jpg img2.jpg +append result.jpg")
>>
>> As far as I can tell, magick is not installed on on-rev - I'm not  
>> sure how
>> you'd go about installing it, as we don't seem to get shell  
>> access. Perhaps
>> a call to on-rev support?
>
>
> Are you sure? Would be a strange hosting setup without a bit of  
> magick?
>
> I'll have to email support and get my shell access sorted. Is  
> anyone with
> shell access able to confirm which common command line utilities are
> available to us (aside from the basic unix commands) - do we have  
> access to
> ./configue / make etc?
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May  4 08:57:27 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:57:27 -0400
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <F11D33DA-49BE-4B32-A42C-18E77CA3AD3B@wehostmacs.com>
References: <F11D33DA-49BE-4B32-A42C-18E77CA3AD3B@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <B7BF80E7-1421-490F-AA53-954E6523F51C@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 2, 2009, at 11:05 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> modified it some to be a little cleaner as well as allowing the data  
> grid to know that it is sorting on the custom sorted column..

In the current release version of the data grid there are two issues  
when performing a custom sort within SortDataGridColumn.

The first is that you can't set the dgIndexes property in order to  
change the sort of the indexes. This doesn't affect your example  
because you seem to be storing "size" as a hidden column in your table  
and then using SortDataByKey to do the sort.

The second issue is that there is no easy way of updating the internal  
props and UI to reflect the currently sorted column.

I've uploaded a test build of the library (1.0 build 8) which  
addresses these issues. You can now set the dgIndexes property and I  
created a handler out of existing data grid code that updates internal  
props and UI: HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn. HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn  
is meant to be called from within SortDataGridColumn when you are  
performing a custom sort.

I also switched the sorting so that it occurs on mouseup rather than  
mousedown.

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/tools/revdatagridlibrary.rev.zip 
 >


Here is an example of using HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn and dgIndexes  
in on SortDataGridColumn. Note that this is only required if you are  
performing a custom sort.


on SortDataGridColumn pColumn
     switch pColumn
         case "MySpecialColumn"
                 ## Update UI and 'sort by column'
                 HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn "MySpecialColumn"

                 ## Get ready to perform custom sort.
                 put the dgIndexes of me into theIndexes -- so we  
perform a stable sort
                 put the dgData of the dgControl of me into theDataA  
-- get data so we can create sort list

                 ## Create list of indexes and the key to sort by
                 repeat for each item theIndex in theIndexes
                     put theIndex & tab & theDataA[theIndex] 
["MySpecialColumn"] & cr after theData
                 end repeat
                 delete the last char of theData

                 ## At this point you can apply your special sort  
function to item 2 to -1 of theData

                 ## Now update the indexes of the data grid so new  
order is reflected.
                 put empty into theIndexes
                repeat for each line theLine in theData
                    put item 1 of theLine & comma after theIndexes
                end repeat
                delete the last char of theIndexes

                ## Setting the dgIndexes will update the sort order  
and redraw data.
                set the dgIndexes of the dgControl of me to theIndexes

             break
         default
             pass SortDataGridColumn
     end switch
end SortDataGridColumn



Here are some notes to your sort handler.

> command sortDataGridColumn pColumn
>  constant kColumnSize = "size"
>  local tOldSortKey
>  lock screen
>
>  switch (pColumn)
>    case kColumnSize
>      lock messages
>      put the dgProps["sort by column"] of me into tOldSortKey

## Note: You no longer need to set the 'sort by column' here. It is  
set in HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn
>      set the dgProps["sort by column"] of me to kColumnSize
>

## Note: This code a) won't work and b) has already been handled at  
this point.
##           A) because you have messages locked and  
dgColumnSortDirection is a custom property using get/setProp.
##           B) Changing of ascending/descending is handled when you  
click on the column header. This happens before
##                SortDataGRidColumn is called.

>      if (the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me = "ascending")  
> then
>        set the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me to  
> "descending"
>      else
>        set the dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me to "ascending"
>      end if
>      unlock messages

## Note: FYI: I believe this gives you the exact same behavior as  
setting the column sort to "numeric" in the property inspector.
##            based on the code you aren't doing anything differently.
>      sortDataByKey kColumnSize, "numeric", the  
> dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me, FALSE
>

## Note: this is no longer needed with HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn.
>      set the dgHilite of group tOldSortKey of group "dgHeader" to  
> FALSE
>      set the dgHilite of group kColumnSize of group "dgHeader" to TRUE
>      break
>    default
>      pass sortDataGridColumn
>      break
>  end switch
> end sortDataGridColumn


Here is an example of SortDataGridColumn using updated data grid  
library:

on SortDataGridColumn pColumn
     constant kColumnSize = "size"

     switch pColumn
         case kColumnSize
                 HiliteAndStoreSortByColumn kColumnSize
                 SortDataByKey kColumnSize, "numeric", the  
dgColumnSortDirection[kColumnSize] of me, FALSE
             break
         default
             pass SortDataGridColumn
     end switch
end SortDataGridColumn


Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon May  4 09:04:27 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:04:27 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/4 Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com>

> Well, a shell call to "convert" within an irev script got the dreaded
> "command not found" response...


Good grief! Looks like the On-Rev hosting is really stripped down to a bare
bones minimum. What happens if you type any of the following at the command
line:

   - make --version
   - svn --version


Thanks


From got at mindspring.com  Mon May  4 09:22:15 2009
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:22:15 -0500
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> Good grief! Looks like the On-Rev hosting is really stripped down to a bare
> bones minimum. What happens if you type any of the following at the command
> line:
>
>    - make --version
>    - svn --version
David here is the output from those commands:

# make --version
GNU Make 3.81
Copyright (C) 2006  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

This program built for i686-redhat-linux-gnu

# svn --version
svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196)
   compiled Sep  1 2008, 06:37:46

Copyright (C) 2000-2006 CollabNet.
Subversion is open source software, see http://subversion.tigris.org/
This product includes software developed by CollabNet 
(http://www.Collab.Net/).

The following repository access (RA) modules are available:

* ra_dav : Module for accessing a repository via WebDAV (DeltaV) protocol.
  - handles 'http' scheme
  - handles 'https' scheme
* ra_svn : Module for accessing a repository using the svn network protocol.
  - handles 'svn' scheme
* ra_local : Module for accessing a repository on local disk.
  - handles 'file' scheme

I think the problems can be traced to the fact that our accounts are 
using "jailshell" instead of, say, bash!!!

# echo $SHELL
/usr/local/cpanel/bin/jailshell

I was able to compile and install (in my own directory) a couple of 
packages.

--gordon


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Mon May  4 09:47:42 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:42 +0000
Subject: OT: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
Message-ID: <00036331.49FF0E1D@the-office.us>

Hi,

i do not know, what web hosting does mean in the other countries.
But if i buy a web hosting package here in germany, then it is normal, that i do not get full shell access.
If i want full control of the server including shell access i have to purchase a server or a virtual server package.
On-rev offers lot more than normal web hosting. So i cannot understand why so many people are complaining about the 
missing shell access. Btw. before purchasing on-rev everyone can see the feature chart of on-rev. There is nothing to
read about shell access.
 
Okay, if there would be the possibility to use some command line tools like magick this would be fine.
But i, for one, want a system, which is not vulnerable because everyone gets (full) shell access.

Sorry, but i am just in a bad temper at the moment and i am sick of reading messages complaining about a missing feature 
which was even not promised by Runrev.

I do not know how much you pay for other web hosting packages, but with the on-rev founder offer i can spent about 130,- Euros a month.

Regards,

Matthias











From got at mindspring.com  Mon May  4 10:05:37 2009
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 09:05:37 -0500
Subject: OT: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
In-Reply-To: <00036331.49FF0E1D@the-office.us>
References: <00036331.49FF0E1D@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <49FEF631.8090305@mindspring.com>

Howdy Matthias,

runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> Okay, if there would be the possibility to use some command line tools like magick this would be fine.
> But i, for one, want a system, which is not vulnerable because everyone gets (full) shell access.
When I see the words "full shell access" I get the impression you are 
referring to root access.  But I don't think anyone is expecting that on 
a shared hosting system.  A normal (non-root) account using a normal 
shell is not anywhere near as powerful (or dangerous) as a root account 
is.  The entire Unix/Linux operating system is designed to separate 
those two classes of users.

--gordon


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 10:18:18 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:18:18 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 4 of N
Message-ID: <49FEF92A.5000204@gmail.com>

As we are now getting postings about 'shell access' (err, something 
about turtles?),
and 'termite eradicators' (err, debuggers?), as well as discussions 
about how the
programming language/IDE we all "know and love" (err, xTalk, RevTalk, 
Transcript,
Revolution) came to be the way it is; how long is it until we see people 
taking sides
in terms of Creationism (all done in one fell swoop by Bill Atkinson) 
and Evolution?

There were even a few postings (Judy ???) a while back about 'the dark 
lord', a.k.a.
"the lord of light".

I would favour a much neglected 19th century theory, where after a 
benign deity
sets the ball rolling, s/he returns in the form of various 
incarnations/avatars to
gently give things a corrective nudge in the desired direction.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon May  4 10:46:22 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:46:22 +0100
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot for the info Gordon. That's pretty well made my mind up - going
to keep my On-Rev account, and start getting stuck in :)

Gordon - if there is any chance you adding a very brief description of what
you managed to compile and the shell commands you used to the On-Rev forum -
or just post it here - it would be a great help?


2009/5/4 Gordon Tillman <got at mindspring.com>

> David Bovill wrote:
>
>  Good grief! Looks like the On-Rev hosting is really stripped down to a
>> bare
>> bones minimum. What happens if you type any of the following at the
>> command
>> line:
>>
>>   - make --version
>>   - svn --version
>>
> David here is the output from those commands:
>
> # make --version
> GNU Make 3.81
> Copyright (C) 2006  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
> There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
> PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
>
> This program built for i686-redhat-linux-gnu
>
> # svn --version
> svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196)
>  compiled Sep  1 2008, 06:37:46
>
> Copyright (C) 2000-2006 CollabNet.
> Subversion is open source software, see http://subversion.tigris.org/
> This product includes software developed by CollabNet (
> http://www.Collab.Net/).
>
> The following repository access (RA) modules are available:
>
> * ra_dav : Module for accessing a repository via WebDAV (DeltaV) protocol.
>  - handles 'http' scheme
>  - handles 'https' scheme
> * ra_svn : Module for accessing a repository using the svn network
> protocol.
>  - handles 'svn' scheme
> * ra_local : Module for accessing a repository on local disk.
>  - handles 'file' scheme
>
> I think the problems can be traced to the fact that our accounts are using
> "jailshell" instead of, say, bash!!!
>
> # echo $SHELL
> /usr/local/cpanel/bin/jailshell
>
> I was able to compile and install (in my own directory) a couple of
> packages.
>
> --gordon
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From got at mindspring.com  Mon May  4 11:01:39 2009
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:01:39 -0500
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>	<49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FF0353.5030303@mindspring.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> Gordon - if there is any chance you adding a very brief description of what
> you managed to compile and the shell commands you used to the On-Rev forum -
> or just post it here - it would be a great help?
David I'm writing it up now and will post a link shortly.

--gordon


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Mon May  4 11:19:15 2009
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:19:15 +0200
Subject: SQL problem
Message-ID: <28CD153F-5381-4185-90FA-B36F8CAD4761@de-mare.nl>

Hi all,

I am struggling to get a MySQL database filled. The idea is to use a  
form that calls an irev file, that in turn adds to the database.

Here is the script:
<?rev
put revOpenDatabase 
("mysql","localhost","terry_dbname","terry_dbuser","password") into  
tConID

# Construct SQL
put "INSERT INTO 'terry_dbname'.'tablename' ('login' , 'ww' ,  
'toegang') VALUES ('" & $_GET["login"] & "', '" & $_GET["ww"] & "',  
'" & $_GET["toegang"] & "');" into tSQL

if tConID is a number then
# Execute SQL
put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tConID, tSQL) into tList

revCloseDatase tConID
end if
?>

Sample data:
http://terry.on-rev.com/h.irev?login=hafaddegon&ww=%3D% 
5DwTjLEl&toegang=xA1%0D%0AxB1

All arguments are URL encoded...

But I get a SQL error... Is anyone seeing what the error could be?

Terry

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon May  4 11:27:35 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:27:35 +0200
Subject: SQL problem
In-Reply-To: <28CD153F-5381-4185-90FA-B36F8CAD4761@de-mare.nl>
References: <28CD153F-5381-4185-90FA-B36F8CAD4761@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <2B20E311-C015-4FBF-ACE9-38B7F4CD331A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry,

Shouldn't that be revExecuteSQL?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 4 mei 2009, at 17:19, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am struggling to get a MySQL database filled. The idea is to use a  
> form that calls an irev file, that in turn adds to the database.
>
> Here is the script:
> <?rev
> put  
> revOpenDatabase 
> ("mysql","localhost","terry_dbname","terry_dbuser","password") into  
> tConID
>
> # Construct SQL
> put "INSERT INTO 'terry_dbname'.'tablename' ('login' , 'ww' ,  
> 'toegang') VALUES ('" & $_GET["login"] & "', '" & $_GET["ww"] & "',  
> '" & $_GET["toegang"] & "');" into tSQL
>
> if tConID is a number then
> # Execute SQL
> put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tConID, tSQL) into tList
>
> revCloseDatase tConID
> end if
> ?>
>
> Sample data:
> http://terry.on-rev.com/h.irev?login=hafaddegon&ww=%3D%5DwTjLEl&toegang=xA1%0D%0AxB1
>
> All arguments are URL encoded...
>
> But I get a SQL error... Is anyone seeing what the error could be?
>
> Terry



From got at mindspring.com  Mon May  4 11:43:42 2009
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:43:42 -0500
Subject: Django with On-Rev Using CGI
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>	<49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FF0D2E.7020700@mindspring.com>

Howdy Folks,

Here is a quick post that shows how to install Django (and several other 
packages) and configure it to work with your On-Rev account.

http://www.gordontillman.info/computers/41-web-application-development/99-django-with-on-rev

--gordon




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon May  4 12:23:44 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:23:44 +0100
Subject: Django with On-Rev Using CGI
In-Reply-To: <49FF0D2E.7020700@mindspring.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FF0D2E.7020700@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905040923y70c85f5flfc39503b064761d2@mail.gmail.com>

Fab! Have not used Django in a few years - have some Rev scripts hanging
around somewhere that would parse / create  Django XML files... by the way
what do you like about Mercurial? I've just moved over to GIT, but not had a
look at Mercurial?

2009/5/4 Gordon Tillman <got at mindspring.com>

> Howdy Folks,
>
> Here is a quick post that shows how to install Django (and several other
> packages) and configure it to work with your On-Rev account.
>
>
> http://www.gordontillman.info/computers/41-web-application-development/99-django-with-on-rev
>
> --gordon


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon May  4 12:32:19 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:32:19 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Rev Mentor Top Ten analysis of this email list
Message-ID: <CB9FF050-8FF3-499C-937F-781DCEFBAFD4@me.com>

Fellow Revolutionistae,

Because I am getting older and have little to occupy my time, I gone  
to the trouble to analyze your posts to this list over the last week.  
The HIGHLY revealing and suggestive results are now part of the semi- 
permanent record known as the Rev Mentor blog:

http://www.revmentor.com/revolution-top-ten-video-charts-and-analyzer-3

"What sort of analysis is this?" you might well ask. It includes a  
short, 3.6 minute video commentary, five charts showing statistics for  
your week's email postings, and a downloadable email browser stack  
that does all the heavy lifting.

Did I mention it's free?

Jerry Daniels

Host of Rev Mentor
http://www.revmentor.com


From got at mindspring.com  Mon May  4 12:40:56 2009
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:40:56 -0500
Subject: Django with On-Rev Using CGI
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905040923y70c85f5flfc39503b064761d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>	<49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>	<c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>	<49FF0D2E.7020700@mindspring.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040923y70c85f5flfc39503b064761d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FF1A98.2050008@mindspring.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> Fab! Have not used Django in a few years - have some Rev scripts hanging
> around somewhere that would parse / create  Django XML files... by the way
> what do you like about Mercurial? I've just moved over to GIT, but not had a
> look at Mercurial?
David I've never used Git, so I can't comment on that one, but I've used 
CVS and SVN extensively over the years.  It took me just a short while 
to get my head around the Mercurial way to do things (which is probably 
very similar to Git). 

It's dead-easy to install and configure and to start a new repository.  
I really like the mindset of committing your changes before pulling and 
merging stuff from other developer's, as opposed to updating from a 
central repository first, merging/fixing conflicts, then committing. 

I like the flexibility of how you can publish changes.  You can use the 
built-in web server to browse and pull changes.  You can email changes.  
You can grab them via SSH, etc.  Very nice.  The command line interface 
is very simple and the built-in help is great.

Performance is very fast and there is no problem at all with binary 
files, even large ones.

There is a youtube video here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExtkqzEoHY from one of the lead 
developer's that is interesting.

--gordon


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May  4 12:59:25 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:59:25 -0700
Subject: Django with On-Rev Using CGI
In-Reply-To: <49FF0D2E.7020700@mindspring.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040416s31a45411n5cc530f01fc434f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<A99F273C-C960-4D86-BD78-C37C697D75B9@futilism.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040604r865e53eo70f0caed1b7fa628@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FEEC07.6000000@mindspring.com>
	<c1c5836b0905040746v44d9bfb1g5003ef4b5f24704d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FF0D2E.7020700@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <751191904625.20090504095925@ahsoftware.net>

Gordon-

Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:43:42 AM, you wrote:

> Here is a quick post that shows how to install Django (and several other
> packages) and configure it to work with your On-Rev account.

!!! This is exciting and timely. I was just wondering this morning
about what it would take to get Django running on on-rev. Thanks.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Mon May  4 13:24:50 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:24:50 -0700
Subject: First look at Service USB gadget
In-Reply-To: <C62079F0.413C9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62079F0.413C9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <5A448219-F527-47D0-8450-F0240408F0CE@twft.com>

I had no idea that Aussie's say, "Dude!"

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 1, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Dude, you have no idea...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon May  4 13:56:00 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:56:00 -0300
Subject: OT: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
In-Reply-To: <49FEF631.8090305@mindspring.com>
References: <00036331.49FF0E1D@the-office.us> <49FEF631.8090305@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905041056j64d6a86cgeb76c65ffdb6d8fe@mail.gmail.com>

I for one have a need where I *NEED* to have shell access. I do most of my
web developments thru the shell. I edit files, set things, all thru ssh with
screen and nano (when I am felling bold, I use emacs).
I also use interarchy and textmate when working at my mac, but I always have
a ssh session open and I use screen as a text only window manager and create
screen windows showing error logs, access logs, cpu info, all kinds of
information I need.

I have to see log files as web pages, I'd rather have them on terminal,
being output as they are written. I also create simple cgis and tools
directly on the remote server.

I feel very comfortable with text only tools and shell access and although
for most needs we can live without it, shell access is a key part of my
workcycle and the way I produce things.

The same engine that gives you CGIs also gives you command line tools, so
you can create terminal tools for your own use and those are faster and
easier to build then cgis or webapps (and more secure).



On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Gordon Tillman <got at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Howdy Matthias,
>
> runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
>
>> Okay, if there would be the possibility to use some command line tools
>> like magick this would be fine.
>> But i, for one, want a system, which is not vulnerable because everyone
>> gets (full) shell access.
>>
> When I see the words "full shell access" I get the impression you are
> referring to root access.  But I don't think anyone is expecting that on a
> shared hosting system.  A normal (non-root) account using a normal shell is
> not anywhere near as powerful (or dangerous) as a root account is.  The
> entire Unix/Linux operating system is designed to separate those two classes
> of users.
>
> --gordonhe
>
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From barryb at libero.it  Mon May  4 13:58:00 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:58:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [OT] Web hosting?
Message-ID: <7677563.521341241459880924.JavaMail.root@wmail44>

Hi Richmond,
Have a look at http://www.tripod.lycos.com/ it should suit your 
needs. The ads arent too intrusive and you get all the CMS you need. I have 
been using Geocities, one of the oldest free site domains on the web, but they 
have just notified me that Yahoo! is sending it bellyupwards in a couple of 
months.
Cheers Barry


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 14:00:26 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 21:00:26 +0300
Subject: [OT] Web hosting?
In-Reply-To: <7677563.521341241459880924.JavaMail.root@wmail44>
References: <7677563.521341241459880924.JavaMail.root@wmail44>
Message-ID: <49FF2D3A.5050009@gmail.com>

Thanks a bunch; looking at it now!

barryb at libero.it wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
> Have a look at http://www.tripod.lycos.com/ it should suit your 
> needs. The ads arent too intrusive and you get all the CMS you need. I have 
> been using Geocities, one of the oldest free site domains on the web, but they 
> have just notified me that Yahoo! is sending it bellyupwards in a couple of 
> months.
> Cheers Barry
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon May  4 14:18:17 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:18:17 +0100
Subject: OT: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905041056j64d6a86cgeb76c65ffdb6d8fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00036331.49FF0E1D@the-office.us> <49FEF631.8090305@mindspring.com>
	<7c87a2a10905041056j64d6a86cgeb76c65ffdb6d8fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905041118v499f4a36kf24559f702015ea2@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto ( not the shell command :)

2009/5/4 Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>

> I for one have a need where I *NEED* to have shell access. I do most of my
> web developments thru the shell. I edit files, set things, all thru ssh
> with
> screen and nano (when I am felling bold, I use emacs).
> I also use interarchy and textmate when working at my mac, but I always
> have
> a ssh session open and I use screen as a text only window manager and
> create
> screen windows showing error logs, access logs, cpu info, all kinds of
> information I need.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon May  4 14:24:27 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:24:27 +0100
Subject: SQL problem
In-Reply-To: <28CD153F-5381-4185-90FA-B36F8CAD4761@de-mare.nl>
References: <28CD153F-5381-4185-90FA-B36F8CAD4761@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905041124v396fecb7j39d3ae820bcad7d9@mail.gmail.com>

On a stylistic point I'd like to propose my way of constructing
statements to be executed.

Instead of this:

put "INSERT INTO 'terry_dbname'.'tablename' ('login' , 'ww' ,
'toegang') VALUES ('" & $_GET["login"] & "', '" & $_GET["ww"] & "', '"
& $_GET["toegang"] & "');" into tSQL

I would write this:

put "INSERT INTO 'terry_dbname'.'tablename' ('login' , 'ww' ,
'toegang') VALUES( '[[tLogin]]' , '[[tWW]]' , '[[tToeGang]]' );" into
tTemplateSQL

put $_GET["login"] into tLogin
put $_GET["ww"] into tWW
put $_GET["toegang"] into tToeGang

put merge(tTemplateSQL) into tSQL.

It is more verbose but I find it far less error-prone than other
constructions as my mind gets very confused by a profusion of double
quotes, single quotes, ampersands, etc.

Just my tuppenceworth.

Bernard

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Terry Vogelaar <tvogelaar at de-mare.nl> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am struggling to get a MySQL database filled. The idea is to use a form
> that calls an irev file, that in turn adds to the database.
>
> Here is the script:
> <?rev
> put
> revOpenDatabase("mysql","localhost","terry_dbname","terry_dbuser","password")
> into tConID
>
> # Construct SQL
> put "INSERT INTO 'terry_dbname'.'tablename' ('login' , 'ww' , 'toegang')
> VALUES ('" & $_GET["login"] & "', '" & $_GET["ww"] & "', '" &
> $_GET["toegang"] & "');" into tSQL
>


From jiml at netrin.com  Mon May  4 14:30:26 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:30:26 -0700
Subject: dgText [true] question?
In-Reply-To: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>

This script from tutorial "3389-How-Do-I-Populate-a-Data-Grid-With- 
Data-" just doesn't work for me.
	answer file "Select iTunes text file:"
	put it into theFile
	put true into firstLineContainsHeaders
	set the dgText [firstLineContainsHeaders] of group "DataGrid 1" to  
URL ("file:" & it)

The grid remains empty, no column headers, nada.

	set the dgText [FALSE] of group "DataGrid 1" to URL ("file:" & it)

puts the file into the grid but with the header line in row 1 and the  
columns labelled "Col 1", etc.

This does work:

    answer file "Pick a file:"
    if it = "" then exit mouseup
    set cursor to busy
    put it into cFile
    put the hilite of btn "Header?" into hasHeader    -- I use a  
checkbox to indicate there's a header.
    put  url ("file:" & it) into tempData
-- now parse the header line and prepare it for dgProp
    put line 1 of tempData into cols
    replace tab with cr in cols

-- kill the header row
    delete line 1 of tempdata

-- set the column names manually
    set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "datagrid 1" to cols

-- now set the grid text with as if there is no header.
    set the dgText [FALSE] of grp "datagrid 1" to tempdata

I thought the whole idea of 'pFirstLineContainsHeaders' was to handle  
the header row automatically.
What am I missing?

Thanks,
Jim Lambert


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon May  4 14:30:54 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 4 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FEF92A.5000204@gmail.com>
References: <49FEF92A.5000204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905041129130.22712@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Say what?!?

(I've not had my caffeine yet!)

Judy

On Mon, 4 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> There were even a few postings (Judy ???) a while back about 'the dark lord', 
> a.k.a.
> "the lord of light".


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon May  4 14:42:18 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:42:18 -0700
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 4 of N
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905041129130.22712@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C624851A.414A1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Judy Perry wrote:

> Say what?!?

Judy, consider this just another stop on the "magical mystery tour", as
Colin H so amusingly posted recently.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May  4 17:26:47 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:26:47 -0400
Subject: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
References: <00036331.49FF0E1D@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <gtnmii$bqi$1@ger.gmane.org>

This was one of the first policies to be changed... you can get SSH (shell) 
access on request, no problem, with on-Rev. p.s.: The Founder's offer is 
still available until 11:59 GMT Tuesday I think.


<runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote in message 
news:00036331.49FF0E1D at the-office.us...
> Hi,
>
> i do not know, what web hosting does mean in the other countries.
> But if i buy a web hosting package here in germany, then it is normal, 
> that i do not get full shell access.
> If i want full control of the server including shell access i have to 
> purchase a server or a virtual server package.
> On-rev offers lot more than normal web hosting. So i cannot understand why 
> so many people are complaining about the
> missing shell access. Btw. before purchasing on-rev everyone can see the 
> feature chart of on-rev. There is nothing to
> read about shell access.
>
> Okay, if there would be the possibility to use some command line tools 
> like magick this would be fine.
> But i, for one, want a system, which is not vulnerable because everyone 
> gets (full) shell access.
>
> Sorry, but i am just in a bad temper at the moment and i am sick of 
> reading messages complaining about a missing feature
> which was even not promised by Runrev.
>
> I do not know how much you pay for other web hosting packages, but with 
> the on-rev founder offer i can spent about 130,- Euros a month.
>





From wow at together.net  Mon May  4 17:34:48 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:34:48 -0400
Subject: Video for Windows - saving settings
In-Reply-To: <9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
	<9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <49FF5F78.9@together.net>

Is there a way to save (and later access) the compression and video 
format settings using the Video for Windows option when capturing video 
through Rev? I've only ever used Quicktime, which I know can save these 
using the revVideoGrabSettings. But that option doesn't work for VFW. 
Anyone figure out a workaround for this?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May  4 17:54:19 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 00:54:19 +0300
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 4 of N
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905041129130.22712@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <49FEF92A.5000204@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905041129130.22712@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <49FF640B.1080707@gmail.com>

Umm:  http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-March/121144.html

"Because Scott Raney had absolutely no use for it and lied that sound
channels and/or HC-like musical scripting couldn't be supported under
Windows IIRC.
And I'm still plenty steamed about that."

sounds like a touch of 'the dark lord' there.  :)

Judy Perry wrote:
> Say what?!?
>
> (I've not had my caffeine yet!)
>
> Judy
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> There were even a few postings (Judy ???) a while back about 'the 
>> dark lord', a.k.a.
>> "the lord of light".
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon May  4 18:00:17 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:00:17 -0400
Subject: data grid, custom sorting
Message-ID: <8D3EE670-C292-4DB3-AE8D-5D02138AC6DF@wehostmacs.com>

 > You could then format the data for display in the FillInData message.

I am, and when I tell it to sort on that column it sorts it based on  
the displayed values and not the values in the dgData variable.. I  
will try out the new build you mention in another post and see how  
that works..

thank you for the updates and the sample code (in other messages).. i  
look forward to giving it a try and hopefully stream-lining my code  
down to the two lines ^_^


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon May  4 18:05:14 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:05:14 -0400
Subject: [OT] Web hosting?
Message-ID: <528D05A5-2935-40EA-AC83-0DD64CEDDB9C@wehostmacs.com>

For completely free (as in beer) web hosting, check out my fellow  
Canuks at www.t35.com  There are limits to the file sizes you can  
upload but other than that..

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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon May  4 18:06:15 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:06:15 -0700
Subject: Data grid, cut and paste
In-Reply-To: <20090425121529.C8A2348B3FD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090425121529.C8A2348B3FD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <49FF66D7.4060704@castandcrew.com>

Trevor,

Cut and paste is not working in my data grids, with standard windows 
shortcuts, like, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V.  (nothing happens).  But when I 
create a simple test stack with the only object a simple data grid, 
these keyboard short cuts work fine.  I haven't removed any of the code 
in the column behavior scripts - any idea why this is happening?  None 
of my menu shortcuts uses X, C, or V.  Or any idea what to do about it, 
such as, should I try to code this functionality as choices on an edit menu?

I want to be able to copy from one cell to another, with Ctrl-C to copy 
in cell A, and Ctrl-V to paste in cell B.

Thanks for any advice!
Sadhu




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May  4 18:09:29 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:09:29 +1000
Subject: Joining 2 images
In-Reply-To: <85F6863A-4A21-41E5-B4E8-C2FCF9A29312@futilism.com>
References: <f99b52860905031612t6ec89045u741d57d36a313f66@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A95F62E-8AF4-4579-89A4-84A0328C058D@futilism.com>
	<23B04AAB-CF3B-4314-9B9E-06BAA0449892@futilism.com>
	<00A9AB72-D788-432C-8016-62FF333312A1@futilism.com>
	<85F6863A-4A21-41E5-B4E8-C2FCF9A29312@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905041509v27e09036t55dd3c5e07927966@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com> wrote:
> I've nearly got it working without image magick.
>
> This works perfectly in the rev ide:
>
> function joinImages imgFile1, imgFile2
>
> ? ? ? ?set the textdata of the templateimage to url ("binfile:" & imgFile1)
> ? ? ? ?put the width of the templateimage into w1
> ? ? ? ?put the height of the templateimage into h1
> ? ? ? ?put the imagedata of the templateimage into tid1
>
> ? ? ? ?set the textdata of the templateimage to url ("binfile:" & imgFile2)
> ? ? ? ?put the width of the templateimage into w2
> ? ? ? ?put the height of the templateimage into h2
> ? ? ? ?put the imagedata of the templateimage into tid2
>
> ? ? ? ?put max(h1, h2) into h3
>
> ? ? ? ?put 0 into bytesDone1
> ? ? ? ?put 0 into bytesDone2
>
> ? ? ? ?repeat with n = 1 to h3
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if n <= h1 then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?put byte (bytesDone1 + 1) to (bytesDone1 + (w1 * 4))
> of tid1 after tid3
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?else
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?repeat w1 * 4
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?put null after tid3
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?end repeat
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?end if
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?add w1 * 4 to bytesDone1
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if n <= h2 then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?put byte (bytesDone2 + 1) to (bytesDone2 + (w2 * 4))
> of tid2 after tid3
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?else
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?repeat w2 * 4
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?put null after tid3
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?end repeat
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?end if
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?add w2 * 4 to bytesDone2
> ? ? ? ?end repeat
>
> ? ? ? ?set the width of the templateimage to w1 + w2
> ? ? ? ?set the height of the templateimage to h3
> ? ? ? ?set the imageData of the templateimage to tid3
>
> ? ? ? ?put "composite.jpg" into tFile
> ? ? ? ?export the templateimage to file tFile as JPEG
> ? ? ? ?return tFile
> end joinimages
>
> but all it produces on irev is a shocking pink rectangle :
> ?http://marksmith.on-rev.com/imagejoin.irev
>
> Perhaps there's a bug to do with imageData in the irev engine.
>

I got this working in the Rev IDE but only after changing the first 2
sections to use "formattedWidth" & formattedHeight".

In on-rev, this didn't work. It would get the width & height of the
first image, but the second image would be reported as 0 x 0. So I
changed back to your original and the width & height of the 2 starting
images were reported correctly, but the composite image had the right
height but a much larger width. See
<http://troz.on-rev.com/mergePics.irev>.

However I have solved the actual problem of having gaps between
images, using the margins style. You can see what I was doing here:
<http://troz.on-rev.com/numbers.irev>.

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. I posted a question on the on-rev forum about ImageMagick so I'll
let you all know if/when I get a reply.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon May  4 18:31:59 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dumb Newbie Questions -- 4 of N
In-Reply-To: <49FF640B.1080707@gmail.com>
References: <49FEF92A.5000204@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905041129130.22712@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<49FF640B.1080707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905041531180.25094@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Magical Mystery Tour indeed...

On Tue, 5 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Umm:  http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-March/121144.html
>
> "Because Scott Raney had absolutely no use for it and lied that sound
> channels and/or HC-like musical scripting couldn't be supported under
> Windows IIRC.
> And I'm still plenty steamed about that."
>
> sounds like a touch of 'the dark lord' there.  :)


From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon May  4 19:26:18 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:26:18 -0700
Subject: property inspector poll
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70905012309j79ed8203m887afd3efc0ab1e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>
	<84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>
	<79d1bee70905012309j79ed8203m887afd3efc0ab1e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCA24F7D-9A67-421A-85F8-57F88C958CDF@dvcreators.net>

Thanks Martin!

Interesting, but still primitive compared to the old Galaxy- which  
intelligently showed certain controls for certain properties (for  
example, a prepopulated popup menu for styles of a button, rather than  
just "type in the new value").

Either:

1. everyone is happy clicking around on the stock property inspector

or

2. people have created their own property inspectors but want to keep  
them secret!

;-)


Well, I should ask this, is anyone interested in a property inspector  
that gives you instant access to any parameter? And allows you to  
easily copy properties from one object to another?

I would be happy to work on one, but would need help making it a  
plugin...

thanks


On May 1, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Martin Blackman wrote:

> Check out the plug-in included with Rev called SmartProperties.
> I've noticed it is generating a script error probably due to some
> change in Rev but it should be pretty easy to fix I would think
>
> 2009/5/2 Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net>:
>> Thanks Craig, does it work with all objects, or just fields and  
>> buttons?
>>
>> Are you all working with the stock property inspector where you  
>> have to
>> access a menu to get to all the different property groups??!? Hard to
>> believe!
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2009, at 6:46 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> My gadget is a rewrite of my HC development tool, though much  
>>> smaller,
>>> since rev does many things it did, either better or natively. It is
>>> useful, for
>>> me at least, especially in the early authoring stage. In HC it was
>>> implemented as an external window (Dan Gelder's "MegaWindow"). In  
>>> rev it
>>> is, of
>>> course, a stack. Maybe I will upload it to revOnLine, with  
>>> instructions.
>>> It seems
>>> stable, and does do some very handy tasks.
>>>
>>> Craig Newman
>>>
>>> In a message dated 4/30/09 8:49:43 PM, josh at dvcreators.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>
>>>> Where would I find more info on your gadget?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************
>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
>>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003 
>>> )
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May  4 19:55:51 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:55:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: datagrid Column grand total
Message-ID: <23378836.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

It's posible calculate the total for a column using the column templates?
Any tip of how do it? I need to calculate a grand total for all the items
inside the datagrid... 
Where is better perform the operation?

I'm blocked with it...


Thanks in advance,
Josep M


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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May  4 19:58:56 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:58:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
Message-ID: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I have some stacks that have embeded images, all run fine, but when I build
the standalone all the images are showed as grey. 
All the images are embede using Import control as new image.

Any idea?

Salut,
Josep M
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue May  5 01:02:39 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:02:39 -1000
Subject: property inspector poll
In-Reply-To: <CCA24F7D-9A67-421A-85F8-57F88C958CDF@dvcreators.net>
References: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>	<84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>	<79d1bee70905012309j79ed8203m887afd3efc0ab1e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCA24F7D-9A67-421A-85F8-57F88C958CDF@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <49FFC86F.1050202@hindu.org>

Josh Mellicker wrote:
> Thanks Martin!
>
> Interesting, but still primitive compared to the old Galaxy- which 
> intelligently showed certain controls for certain properties (for 
> example, a prepopulated popup menu for styles of a button, rather than 
> just "type in the new value").
>
> Either:
>
> 1. everyone is happy clicking around on the stock property inspector
>
> or
>
> 2. people have created their own property inspectors but want to keep 
> them secret!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> Well, I should ask this, is anyone interested in a property inspector 
> that gives you instant access to any parameter? And allows you to 
> easily copy properties from one object to another?
>
> I would be happy to work on one, but would need help making it a 
> plugin...
>
> thanks
>

Please...Yes... I've see many iterations of such a tool thru the years. 
Why not get all the wizards  to post the inspectors on RevOnLine?





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue May  5 02:23:59 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:23:59 +0200
Subject: datagrid Column grand total
In-Reply-To: <23378836.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23378836.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA382F09-9278-4D03-8840-CED7D52C4FD2@inria.fr>


Le 5 mai 09 ? 01:55, Josep a ?crit :

>
> Hi,
>
> It's posible calculate the total for a column using the column  
> templates?
> Any tip of how do it? I need to calculate a grand total for all the  
> items
> inside the datagrid...
> Where is better perform the operation?
>
> I'm blocked with it...
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Josep M
>
Bonjour Josep,
Don't know if it is the better way with dataGrid but you might use a  
variable (say tVar)

put the dgText of group "DataGrid X" into tVar

so in tVar you have a liste of lines of tab separated items and you  
may do all what you want on them

(for example :

set the itemDel to tab
repeat for each line li in tVar
add item 1 of li to totalCol1
end repeat

HTH

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?





From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue May  5 03:36:30 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: datagrid Column grand total
In-Reply-To: <CA382F09-9278-4D03-8840-CED7D52C4FD2@inria.fr>
References: <23378836.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<CA382F09-9278-4D03-8840-CED7D52C4FD2@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <23382509.post@talk.nabble.com>


Bonjour Andre,

Yes, I can with this way or I can record any change in "on FillIn" and
update a t_GrandTotal... go to try it... I think that with this way the
operation will be automatic...

Salut,
Josep


Andre.Bisseret wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 5 mai 09 ? 01:55, Josep a ?crit :
> 
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It's posible calculate the total for a column using the column  
>> templates?
>> Any tip of how do it? I need to calculate a grand total for all the  
>> items
>> inside the datagrid...
>> Where is better perform the operation?
>>
>> I'm blocked with it...
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Josep M
>>
> Bonjour Josep,
> Don't know if it is the better way with dataGrid but you might use a  
> variable (say tVar)
> 
> put the dgText of group "DataGrid X" into tVar
> 
> so in tVar you have a liste of lines of tab separated items and you  
> may do all what you want on them
> 
> (for example :
> 
> set the itemDel to tab
> repeat for each line li in tVar
> add item 1 of li to totalCol1
> end repeat
> 
> HTH
> 
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?
> 
> 
> 
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May  5 04:13:14 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:13:14 +0300
Subject: one more SQLite GUI - written in Rev...
In-Reply-To: <49FFC86F.1050202@hindu.org>
References: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>	<84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>	<79d1bee70905012309j79ed8203m887afd3efc0ab1e0@mail.gmail.com>	<CCA24F7D-9A67-421A-85F8-57F88C958CDF@dvcreators.net>
	<49FFC86F.1050202@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <49FFF51A.6080004@ekoinf.net>

Dear Colleagues,

well, ok, hmmm, errr [trembling hands], announcing my first public 
release of an application :):

http://ekoinf.net/AA

This adds one more SQLite editor to the plethora of already existing 
ones. This is expected to become a more universal tool, but at the 
moment it is just SQLite frontend. All feedback, critics, bug reports go 
to viktoras at ekoinf.net.

B.t.w. how do I customize dmg image folder? I would like to add some 
explanatory notes like "Drag the AALite icon into Applications folder". 
But I do not know yet how to do this on my mac :-[ ... Will it accept an 
html document as a background (where to put it then?).

All the best,
Viktoras
P.S. changing my own primitive table object to the datagrid is in future 
plans. This is not open source release, however one more application 
will be released just before the e-biosphere event (June 1-3) - and this 
one will be definitely open source.


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May  5 04:56:06 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 01:56:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT:  What to use on a PIII in Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <49FED362.8070502@gmail.com>
References: <200905041210.21550.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<49FED362.8070502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23383565.post@talk.nabble.com>


Slax is really worth a look on older equipment.  Slackware based, and the
Slack based distros are always faster.  No fat - 200MB.  Media players.  A
bit manual to install on hard drive, but it can be done - the default is
liveCD.  Very customizable.  And KDE is at least as close to Windows as
Gnome, most think closer.  It will run entirely in memory if you want, so
its pretty fast.  The fastest distro with a mainstream desktop that you'll
find.  Good hardware detection.  Been around quite a while.  I checked the
latest Puppy a couple weeks ago and that's OK, but disapointing by
comparison.

Its basically a pure KDE based Slackware distro. KOffice, Konqueror, Kmail. 
And a few supplementary media bits and bobs.  It would run Rev fine.  There
are smaller faster ones, but nothing which has a better balance between
speed, function, and familiarity.

Peter
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May  5 05:49:03 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:49:03 +1000
Subject: one more SQLite GUI - written in Rev...
In-Reply-To: <49FFF51A.6080004@ekoinf.net>
References: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>
	<84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>
	<79d1bee70905012309j79ed8203m887afd3efc0ab1e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCA24F7D-9A67-421A-85F8-57F88C958CDF@dvcreators.net>
	<49FFC86F.1050202@hindu.org> <49FFF51A.6080004@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905050249k7fc6b7f2i4091bbe39ba6b0bd@mail.gmail.com>

> well, ok, hmmm, errr [trembling hands], announcing my first public release
> of an application :):
>
> http://ekoinf.net/AA

Congratulations!

> B.t.w. how do I customize dmg image folder? I would like to add some
> explanatory notes like "Drag the AALite icon into Applications folder". But
> I do not know yet how to do this on my mac :-[ ... Will it accept an html
> document as a background (where to put it then?).
>

I use DropDMG for this. It allows you to add background images,
license agreements etc.
I think the background has to be an image file.
Very neatly, you can add an alias to the Applications folder to your disk image.
<http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/09/02/easy-access-to-application-folder-from-a-disk.html>

A technique that I use is to make a read-write disk image that way I
want and save it.
Then any time I release a new version, I open the r/w image, copy
across the new app, close the dmg and then use DropDMG to convert it
to a read-only image (which actually creates a new copy rather than
converting the existing one).
This saves a lot of trouble.

Cheers,
Sarah


From wow at together.net  Tue May  5 06:20:49 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 06:20:49 -0400
Subject: Video for Windows
In-Reply-To: <49FF5F78.9@together.net>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>	<9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>
	<49FF5F78.9@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A001301.8090709@together.net>

Someone here's just got to have some thoughts on this one. Here's what I 
know, all of which can be readily seen from the Video Capture stack that 
comes with any copy of Rev (in the Resources --> Sample Projects folder).

Plug a camcorder or webcam into a PC and set the program to VFW (Video 
for Windows).
Press Start Preview
Press Video Compression

Now at this point, the selection of any compressor IS saved somewhere, 
because if you select a compressor and hit OK, then hit Start Recording, 
that newly-selected compressor IS used during the recording of the next 
video. Further, if you open Video Source, make a change, then go back to 
Video Compression, the change from before is still intact. But if you 
quit the program and reopen it, the changes are gone. So the change IS 
being stored somewhere (a variable?... a Windows setting?) for the time 
during a given session AND passed to some place where Start Recording 
can then access it. Any thoughts on where it is stored and how to make 
it available to future recording sessions? What is it that Start 
Recording (under VFW) is tapping into as the settings to be used in the 
next recording?

Thanks.
Richard Miller




Richard Miller wrote:
> Is there a way to save (and later access) the compression and video 
> format settings using the Video for Windows option when capturing 
> video through Rev? I've only ever used Quicktime, which I know can 
> save these using the revVideoGrabSettings. But that option doesn't 
> work for VFW. Anyone figure out a workaround for this?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May  5 07:29:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:29:39 +0300
Subject: OT:  What to use on a PIII in Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <23383565.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <200905041210.21550.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<49FED362.8070502@gmail.com>
	<23383565.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A002323.1000901@gmail.com>

Having, largely, got over that bout of flu I have just come upstairs from
the school, where I have been popping the Pentium IIIs back in place and
doing personalised GDM login screens, I am happy to say, that despite my
misgivings Ubuntu 8.04 seems no slower than 5.10; the only bother
is having to reset all the properties on the RR standalones so they work as
self-executables rather than looking for something external.

The people at Ubuntu have always been extremely helpful (rather similar
to this RR Use-List); which I haven't found elsewhere. Although I have yet
to find an Ubuntu user who writes their own Primary-Ed programs; all seem
to go for the 'one-size-fits-all' of edubuntu (which seems to contain
programs largely aimed at keeping kids occupied rather than educating
them as such).

The only slightly funny thing I have had is with a COMPAQ where, with
8.04.2 all the sound comes out of the built-in speakers rather than 
getting routed
through the headphone outlet; and I cannot reroute it for the life of me.

Certainly, quite apart from my silly little school, as far as I can see 
there seem to
be no real conflicts between Ubuntu and RR, and RR standalones.

Re Slax: having come to Linux 'late in life' and only really because of 
3 problems:

1. Bulgaria is one of the pirate software capitals of the world - 99% of 
everything
     running on pirated XP.

2. I don't really like Windows and feel that the problems it seems to 
cause are
     more trouble than its worth: don't want any downtime in my school - 
and with
     Ubuntu I have never, never had any.

3. Want an OS where I can customise the GUI to serve my needs, rather 
than put
     up with somebody's idea of a 'one-size-fits-all' GUI.

rather than any great urge to be a "Linux Mage", I rapidly gravitated 
towards
Debian-based distros as, frankly, the easiest to work with (at least from my
point of view).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
tedious middle-aged anecdote follows:

last night I watched "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" on Turner Classic 
Movies:
it struck me as a strangely Zen-style film - probably the last poisons 
of the
flu virus doing horrible things to my mind - and at one point James Coburn
(who, oddly enough, was very good at playing James Coburn, but not much
good at playing anybody else) said "I have got to the age where I want 
to stop
worrying about tomorrow" - not that I would want the Mark Shuttleworth to
think he's my saviour.  :)  However, I would recommend watching
"Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" if you are feeling particularly nihilistic.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Slax is really worth a look on older equipment.  Slackware based, and the
> Slack based distros are always faster.  No fat - 200MB.  Media players.  A
> bit manual to install on hard drive, but it can be done - the default is
> liveCD.  Very customizable.  And KDE is at least as close to Windows as
> Gnome, most think closer.  It will run entirely in memory if you want, so
> its pretty fast.  The fastest distro with a mainstream desktop that you'll
> find.  Good hardware detection.  Been around quite a while.  I checked the
> latest Puppy a couple weeks ago and that's OK, but disapointing by
> comparison.
>
> Its basically a pure KDE based Slackware distro. KOffice, Konqueror, Kmail. 
> And a few supplementary media bits and bobs.  It would run Rev fine.  There
> are smaller faster ones, but nothing which has a better balance between
> speed, function, and familiarity.
>
> Peter
>   



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue May  5 07:54:36 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:54:36 -0400
Subject: data grid, custom sorting
In-Reply-To: <8D3EE670-C292-4DB3-AE8D-5D02138AC6DF@wehostmacs.com>
References: <8D3EE670-C292-4DB3-AE8D-5D02138AC6DF@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <2F001EBB-9859-4E30-9604-4D3356978A26@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 4, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> > You could then format the data for display in the FillInData  
> message.
>
> I am, and when I tell it to sort on that column it sorts it based on  
> the displayed values and not the values in the dgData variable.. I  
> will try out the new build you mention in another post and see how  
> that works..

Sorting should always happens with the data stored in the dgData  
variable. You can confirm this by looking at SortDataByKey which is  
the handler used. If you are seeing unexpected results then there is  
either a bug, data in a format different then you intended or the  
wrong sort type is being used. If you have a stack you can send me  
with some sample data I can take a look.

> thank you for the updates and the sample code (in other messages)..  
> i look forward to giving it a try and hopefully stream-lining my  
> code down to the two lines ^_^

No problem. I hope you can get it down to two lines too :-)

Regards,

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue May  5 08:12:20 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 05:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>


How specify the path with embeded images? It's necesary?... 

Salut,
Josep


Josep wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have some stacks that have embeded images, all run fine, but when I
> build the standalone all the images are showed as grey. 
> All the images are embede using Import control as new image.
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Salut,
> Josep M
> 

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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May  5 08:22:18 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:22:18 +0300
Subject: one more SQLite GUI - written in Rev...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905050249k7fc6b7f2i4091bbe39ba6b0bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bfd.5665a98c.372c5751@aol.com>	<84EBB16D-64BD-468C-B3E4-EAAB0FF4158A@dvcreators.net>	<79d1bee70905012309j79ed8203m887afd3efc0ab1e0@mail.gmail.com>	<CCA24F7D-9A67-421A-85F8-57F88C958CDF@dvcreators.net>	<49FFC86F.1050202@hindu.org>
	<49FFF51A.6080004@ekoinf.net>
	<f99b52860905050249k7fc6b7f2i4091bbe39ba6b0bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A002F7A.4080900@ekoinf.net>

Sarah, thank you for the advice!

Best regards
Viktoras

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> I use DropDMG for this. It allows you to add background images,
> license agreements etc.
> I think the background has to be an image file.
> Very neatly, you can add an alias to the Applications folder to your disk image.
> <http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/09/02/easy-access-to-application-folder-from-a-disk.html>
>
> A technique that I use is to make a read-write disk image that way I
> want and save it.
> Then any time I release a new version, I open the r/w image, copy
> across the new app, close the dmg and then use DropDMG to convert it
> to a read-only image (which actually creates a new copy rather than
> converting the existing one).
> This saves a lot of trouble.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue May  5 08:24:12 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:24:12 -0400
Subject: dgText [true] question?
In-Reply-To: <9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
	<9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <6E5DEA59-8F54-476C-9652-6E846EFCE5F4@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 4, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

> This script from tutorial "3389-How-Do-I-Populate-a-Data-Grid-With- 
> Data-" just doesn't work for me.
> 	answer file "Select iTunes text file:"
> 	put it into theFile
> 	put true into firstLineContainsHeaders
> 	set the dgText [firstLineContainsHeaders] of group "DataGrid 1" to  
> URL ("file:" & it)
>
> ...
>
> I thought the whole idea of 'pFirstLineContainsHeaders' was to  
> handle the header row automatically.
> What am I missing?

The data grid will not automatically create columns for you when  
pFirstLineContainsHeaders is true. You must first create the columns  
yourself by setting the "columns" property. This keeps columns from  
being created in your UI when importing data.

When pFirstLineContainsHeaders is false then the data grid will try to  
create enough columns to display at least the first row of your data.  
I realize this is inconsistent but the "false" behavior was done in  
the interest of allowing someone to get some data into the data grid  
and displayed relatively quickly using the Property Inspector.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue May  5 09:27:26 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:27:26 -0400
Subject: datagrid Column grand total
In-Reply-To: <23382509.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23378836.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<CA382F09-9278-4D03-8840-CED7D52C4FD2@inria.fr>
	<23382509.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E4B9092B-D522-40CE-AC59-9FFFAC027A64@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 5, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Josep wrote:

> Yes, I can with this way or I can record any change in "on FillIn" and
> update a t_GrandTotal... go to try it... I think that with this way  
> the
> operation will be automatic...

Andre's example will work great. This is a common question so I also  
created a lesson that shows how to create a custom property for your  
data grid that returns aggregate values. The example uses the dgData  
property which will be faster than using the dgText property.

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4170-How-Do-I-Get-Aggregate-Values-for-Columns- 
 >

You should note that adding values in "FillInData" won't provide  
accurate information since FillInData is called multiple times for  
each row as you scroll through the data in the data grid.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue May  5 09:38:20 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (len-morgan at crcom.net)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:38:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Radio Buttons - Simple Question
Message-ID: <29549.64.40.211.158.1241530700.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>

I should know this and it should be easy to find in the documentation if I
don't but just how do you determine which radio button has been selected? 
I have a group of buttons and they "work" as a set of radio buttons but I
need to know which one is "on."

I searched the User's Manual and found references to putting buttons in a
group to make them radio buttons but nothing about how to read them.

This should have been easier to find.

I guess my mind is going in my old age.

len



From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue May  5 09:50:18 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:50:18 +0900
Subject: Radio Buttons - Simple Question
In-Reply-To: <29549.64.40.211.158.1241530700.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>
References: <29549.64.40.211.158.1241530700.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70905050650g6bddc786q272695b3b1aeea88@mail.gmail.com>

After you've made the buttons and grouped them,
insert the following into the script of that group:

on mouseDown
   set the hilitedbuttonid of me to the short id of the target
end mouseDown

The key element is "hilitedbuttonid". Have a look in the
documentation for this, which'll in turn point you to
other similar properties.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Tue May  5 10:02:06 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:02:06 -0700
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com> <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>

When you say "imbedded," are your images part of the stack (you  
imported them using the "import as control" command)?  If so, they  
should show up.

If you referenced them, you will need to set a path to the folder they  
are in relative to your application.  You reference an image in the  
propery inpector for the image by navigating to its source. This  
relative location changes when you build your standalone, so they  
won't show up without pre-planning where your image folder will be  
relative to your application.

Mark

On May 5, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Josep wrote:

>
> How specify the path with embeded images? It's necesary?...
>
> Salut,
> Josep
>
>
> Josep wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have some stacks that have embeded images, all run fine, but when I
>> build the standalone all the images are showed as grey.
>> All the images are embede using Import control as new image.
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> Salut,
>> Josep M
>>
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue May  5 10:23:56 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:23:56 -0400
Subject: Data grid, cut and paste
In-Reply-To: <49FF66D7.4060704@castandcrew.com>
References: <20090425121529.C8A2348B3FD@mail.runrev.com>
	<49FF66D7.4060704@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <E7941C00-63D2-47C8-8E5D-4C936AD79936@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 4, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Sadhu Nadesan wrote:

> Cut and paste is not working in my data grids, with standard windows  
> shortcuts, like, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V.  (nothing happens).  But  
> when I create a simple test stack with the only object a simple data  
> grid, these keyboard short cuts work fine.  I haven't removed any of  
> the code in the column behavior scripts - any idea why this is  
> happening?  None of my menu shortcuts uses X, C, or V.  Or any idea  
> what to do about it, such as, should I try to code this  
> functionality as choices on an edit menu?
>
> I want to be able to copy from one cell to another, with Ctrl-C to  
> copy in cell A, and Ctrl-V to paste in cell B.

Keys weren't being passed properly in 3.5 gm-1 for editable fields.  
Try the version at the following url and let me know if it works for  
you as key passing has been fixed if an editable field is open.

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/tools/revdatagridlibrary.rev.zip 
 >

Installation: Back up the existing "revdatagridlibrary.rev" stack file  
in your "Toolset" folder (alongside the Revolution IDE executable) and  
then drop in this new stack file.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue May  5 12:16:25 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:16:25 -0700
Subject: Video for Windows
In-Reply-To: <4A001301.8090709@together.net>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
	<9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>
	<49FF5F78.9@together.net> <4A001301.8090709@together.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905050916o66ee9531j5a7ebc2fa6907799@mail.gmail.com>

The value is probably stored in a variable. Can you edit the stack and use a
custom property to store instead of RAM? A lot of REV demo stacks are very
basic and it is up to the programmer to take the hooks and actually make a
'program'.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/5 Richard Miller <wow at together.net>

> Someone here's just got to have some thoughts on this one. Here's what I
> know, all of which can be readily seen from the Video Capture stack that
> comes with any copy of Rev (in the Resources --> Sample Projects folder).
>
> Plug a camcorder or webcam into a PC and set the program to VFW (Video for
> Windows).
> Press Start Preview
> Press Video Compression
>
> Now at this point, the selection of any compressor IS saved somewhere,
> because if you select a compressor and hit OK, then hit Start Recording,
> that newly-selected compressor IS used during the recording of the next
> video. Further, if you open Video Source, make a change, then go back to
> Video Compression, the change from before is still intact. But if you quit
> the program and reopen it, the changes are gone. So the change IS being
> stored somewhere (a variable?... a Windows setting?) for the time during a
> given session AND passed to some place where Start Recording can then access
> it. Any thoughts on where it is stored and how to make it available to
> future recording sessions? What is it that Start Recording (under VFW) is
> tapping into as the settings to be used in the next recording?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
>
>
>
>
> Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to save (and later access) the compression and video format
>> settings using the Video for Windows option when capturing video through
>> Rev? I've only ever used Quicktime, which I know can save these using the
>> revVideoGrabSettings. But that option doesn't work for VFW. Anyone figure
>> out a workaround for this?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>> _______________________________________________
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue May  5 12:24:16 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:24:16 -0700
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com> <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905050924n54dc17a6o7e1fde16192ed1fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hold on a minute. I've had problems with images inside invisible buttons
disappearing before being clicked. Is this the case?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/5 Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com>

> When you say "imbedded," are your images part of the stack (you imported
> them using the "import as control" command)?  If so, they should show up.
>
> If you referenced them, you will need to set a path to the folder they are
> in relative to your application.  You reference an image in the propery
> inpector for the image by navigating to its source. This relative location
> changes when you build your standalone, so they won't show up without
> pre-planning where your image folder will be relative to your application.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On May 5, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Josep wrote:
>
>
>> How specify the path with embeded images? It's necesary?...
>>
>> Salut,
>> Josep
>>
>>
>> Josep wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have some stacks that have embeded images, all run fine, but when I
>>> build the standalone all the images are showed as grey.
>>> All the images are embede using Import control as new image.
>>>
>>> Any idea?
>>>
>>> Salut,
>>> Josep M
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/Embeded-images-don%27t-showed-in-standalone-tp23378864p23386252.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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From wow at together.net  Tue May  5 12:41:26 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:41:26 -0400
Subject: Video for Windows
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905050916o66ee9531j5a7ebc2fa6907799@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>	<9A3C9F2C-A1B2-4896-9129-FEB837650A6C@netrin.com>	<49FF5F78.9@together.net>
	<4A001301.8090709@together.net>
	<e5e009d70905050916o66ee9531j5a7ebc2fa6907799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A006C36.4070007@together.net>

Stephen,

Thanks for the thoughts. Unfortunately, it's not this simple. The Rev 
command that is designed to do this (save the settings) specifically 
does not work under Video for Windows (as stated in the Rev docs). Yet, 
the settings are being temporarily stored somewhere in Windows. But 
where and how to access? I can't figure it out.

Richard



stephen barncard wrote:
> The value is probably stored in a variable. Can you edit the stack and use a
> custom property to store instead of RAM? A lot of REV demo stacks are very
> basic and it is up to the programmer to take the hooks and actually make a
> 'program'.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/5/5 Richard Miller <wow at together.net>
>
>   
>> Someone here's just got to have some thoughts on this one. Here's what I
>> know, all of which can be readily seen from the Video Capture stack that
>> comes with any copy of Rev (in the Resources --> Sample Projects folder).
>>
>> Plug a camcorder or webcam into a PC and set the program to VFW (Video for
>> Windows).
>> Press Start Preview
>> Press Video Compression
>>
>> Now at this point, the selection of any compressor IS saved somewhere,
>> because if you select a compressor and hit OK, then hit Start Recording,
>> that newly-selected compressor IS used during the recording of the next
>> video. Further, if you open Video Source, make a change, then go back to
>> Video Compression, the change from before is still intact. But if you quit
>> the program and reopen it, the changes are gone. So the change IS being
>> stored somewhere (a variable?... a Windows setting?) for the time during a
>> given session AND passed to some place where Start Recording can then access
>> it. Any thoughts on where it is stored and how to make it available to
>> future recording sessions? What is it that Start Recording (under VFW) is
>> tapping into as the settings to be used in the next recording?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Is there a way to save (and later access) the compression and video format
>>> settings using the Video for Windows option when capturing video through
>>> Rev? I've only ever used Quicktime, which I know can save these using the
>>> revVideoGrabSettings. But that option doesn't work for VFW. Anyone figure
>>> out a workaround for this?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>> _______________________________________________



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue May  5 13:13:17 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:13:17 -0700
Subject: Data grid, cut and paste
In-Reply-To: <20090425121529.C8A2348B3FD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090425121529.C8A2348B3FD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A0073AD.2030500@castandcrew.com>

Trevor,

1) There were 2 files in the zip

._revdatagridlibraray.rev
revdatagridlibrary.rev

I dropped them both in the toolset folder. (backup first of course)

BTW, as you had indicated for the next release, this fixed the alternate 
rows color problem.

2) Yes, it fixed the cut and paste problem.

Thank you!
Sadhu

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Keys weren't being passed properly in 3.5 gm-1 for editable fields.  
> Try the version at the following url and let me know if it works for  
> you as key passing has been fixed if an editable field is open.
>
> <http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/tools/revdatagridlibrary.rev.zip 
>  >
>
> Installation: Back up the existing "revdatagridlibrary.rev" stack file  
> in your "Toolset" folder (alongside the Revolution IDE executable) and  
> then drop in this new stack file.
>   



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May  5 13:52:17 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52:17 +0300
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905050924n54dc17a6o7e1fde16192ed1fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
	<e5e009d70905050924n54dc17a6o7e1fde16192ed1fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A007CD1.9010300@gmail.com>

This: "problems with images inside invisible buttons disappearing before 
being clicked"

has caused me considerable grief in the past; owing almost entirely to 
my stupidity:

imagine a button which references an image 'tucked away' on the same 
card as its icon -

NOW, the image is referenced by its object number (e.g. 1002).

So, I, unthinkingly copied a whole lot of buttons and the images they 
referenced as icons
from one card across many subsequent cards.  The buttons lost their 
icons the next time the stack was opened
because the images they referenced had acquired new object numbers.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a consequence of learning the hard way I tend to use imported images 
as buttons rather
than buttons qua buttons that reference images; if I really feel an urge 
to have different icons
representing different button states then each button has to be set up 
individually and cannot
then be copied across to another card without re-referencing the icon 
images.

stephen barncard wrote:
> Hold on a minute. I've had problems with images inside invisible buttons
> disappearing before being clicked. Is this the case?
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/5/5 Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com>
>
>   
>> When you say "imbedded," are your images part of the stack (you imported
>> them using the "import as control" command)?  If so, they should show up.
>>
>> If you referenced them, you will need to set a path to the folder they are
>> in relative to your application.  You reference an image in the propery
>> inpector for the image by navigating to its source. This relative location
>> changes when you build your standalone, so they won't show up without
>> pre-planning where your image folder will be relative to your application.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On May 5, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Josep wrote:
>>
>>
>>     
>>> How specify the path with embeded images? It's necesary?...
>>>
>>> Salut,
>>> Josep
>>>
>>>
>>> Josep wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have some stacks that have embeded images, all run fine, but when I
>>>> build the standalone all the images are showed as grey.
>>>> All the images are embede using Import control as new image.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea?
>>>>
>>>> Salut,
>>>> Josep M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Embeded-images-don%27t-showed-in-standalone-tp23378864p23386252.html
>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue May  5 13:55:39 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:55:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com> <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Yes, the images was imported into the stack "as control" and in develop mode
all is ok. The problem is when I build the standalone, all the images are
grey boxes. 
Not is the case of the invisibles buttons nor disapering when click, almost
in the development mode.

I'm blocked with this... :(

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue May  5 13:58:08 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: datagrid Column grand total
In-Reply-To: <E4B9092B-D522-40CE-AC59-9FFFAC027A64@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <23378836.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<CA382F09-9278-4D03-8840-CED7D52C4FD2@inria.fr>
	<23382509.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<E4B9092B-D522-40CE-AC59-9FFFAC027A64@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <23392726.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks. 

Salut,
Josep M


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> On May 5, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Josep wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I can with this way or I can record any change in "on FillIn" and
>> update a t_GrandTotal... go to try it... I think that with this way  
>> the
>> operation will be automatic...
> 
> Andre's example will work great. This is a common question so I also  
> created a lesson that shows how to create a custom property for your  
> data grid that returns aggregate values. The example uses the dgData  
> property which will be faster than using the dgText property.
> 
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4170-How-Do-I-Get-Aggregate-Values-for-Columns- 
>  >
> 
> You should note that adding values in "FillInData" won't provide  
> accurate information since FillInData is called multiple times for  
> each row as you scroll through the data in the data grid.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
> 
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue May  5 14:05:13 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:05:13 +0200
Subject: Radio Buttons - Simple Question
In-Reply-To: <29549.64.40.211.158.1241530700.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>
References: <29549.64.40.211.158.1241530700.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>
Message-ID: <0478E0AB-FE59-486E-8CFB-CD6E871D9912@inria.fr>


Le 5 mai 09 ? 15:38, len-morgan at crcom.net a ?crit :

> I should know this and it should be easy to find in the  
> documentation if I
> don't but just how do you determine which radio button has been  
> selected?
> I have a group of buttons and they "work" as a set of radio buttons  
> but I
> need to know which one is "on."
Bonsoir Ien
get the hilitedButton of grp "myGroup"
put it

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?
>
>
> I searched the User's Manual and found references to putting buttons  
> in a
> group to make them radio buttons but nothing about how to read them.
>
> This should have been easier to find.
>
> I guess my mind is going in my old age.
>
> len
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May  5 14:18:04 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:18:04 -0500
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
	<23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com>

Josep wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, the images was imported into the stack "as control" and in develop mode
> all is ok. The problem is when I build the standalone, all the images are
> grey boxes. 

Look in the Application Browser and verify the images are there. The 
images must be in the same stack file as the buttons (the main stack, or 
one of its substacks.) If they are in a separate independent stack, they 
may not be found.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue May  5 14:18:20 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:18:20 -0700
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A007CD1.9010300@gmail.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com> <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
	<e5e009d70905050924n54dc17a6o7e1fde16192ed1fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A007CD1.9010300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905051118n74dd4d26teb35f8c0886c4cef@mail.gmail.com>

This was not the situation in my case. Simple button, single image, image
placed on card 2 of stack.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/5 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> This: "problems with images inside invisible buttons disappearing before
> being clicked"
>
> has caused me considerable grief in the past; owing almost entirely to my
> stupidity:
>
> imagine a button which references an image 'tucked away' on the same card
> as its icon -
>
> NOW, the image is referenced by its object number (e.g. 1002).
>
> So, I, unthinkingly copied a whole lot of buttons and the images they
> referenced as icons
> from one card across many subsequent cards.  The buttons lost their icons
> the next time the stack was opened
> because the images they referenced had acquired new object numbers.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> As a consequence of learning the hard way I tend to use imported images as
> buttons rather
> than buttons qua buttons that reference images; if I really feel an urge to
> have different icons
> representing different button states then each button has to be set up
> individually and cannot
> then be copied across to another card without re-referencing the icon
> images.
>
>
> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Hold on a minute. I've had problems with images inside invisible buttons
>> disappearing before being clicked. Is this the case?
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://barncard.com
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/5 Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>> When you say "imbedded," are your images part of the stack (you imported
>>> them using the "import as control" command)?  If so, they should show up.
>>>
>>> If you referenced them, you will need to set a path to the folder they
>>> are
>>> in relative to your application.  You reference an image in the propery
>>> inpector for the image by navigating to its source. This relative
>>> location
>>> changes when you build your standalone, so they won't show up without
>>> pre-planning where your image folder will be relative to your
>>> application.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Josep wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> How specify the path with embeded images? It's necesary?...
>>>>
>>>> Salut,
>>>> Josep
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josep wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some stacks that have embeded images, all run fine, but when I
>>>>> build the standalone all the images are showed as grey.
>>>>> All the images are embede using Import control as new image.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> Salut,
>>>>> Josep M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Embeded-images-don%27t-showed-in-standalone-tp23378864p23386252.html
>>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May  5 14:30:40 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:30:40 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
Message-ID: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>

I've got a basic PC (Dell Dimension 4600 running a P4 at 2.66GHz with 2GB
RAM) that switch boots between Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.04.  I have a pretty
complex app (my stick figure animaton program "Stykz") that loads about 8
libraries has  a few front and back scripts and when it opens it displays a
main window and 4 floating palettes.

The app is built with the Rev 3.5 engine and when I launch it on Windows, it
takes about 5 seconds from initial launch to idle. When I do this on Ubuntu
it is agonizingly slow, taking 25-30 seconds to come to an idle state. And
after this, everything is like molasses - windows take seconds! to redraw,
mouse messages aren't recognized immediately, etc.

I haven't done much on Linux except StackRunner, which was very lightweight,
but my overall question is: are there any "gotchas" I should know about
related to Linux that might account for significantly affecting performance?

TIA,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May  5 14:45:34 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:45:34 -0600
Subject: Radio Buttons - Simple Question
In-Reply-To: <0478E0AB-FE59-486E-8CFB-CD6E871D9912@inria.fr>
References: <29549.64.40.211.158.1241530700.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>
	<0478E0AB-FE59-486E-8CFB-CD6E871D9912@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <278DE035-D1BF-4A36-A053-983D12A1DB2F@byu.edu>


On May 5, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

>
> Le 5 mai 09 ? 15:38, len-morgan at crcom.net a ?crit :
>
>> I should know this and it should be easy to find in the
>> documentation if I
>> don't but just how do you determine which radio button has been
>> selected?
>> I have a group of buttons and they "work" as a set of radio buttons
>> but I
>> need to know which one is "on."
> Bonsoir Ien
> get the hilitedButton of grp "myGroup"
> put it

You can also check or set the hilitedButtonName of the group.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jiml at netrin.com  Tue May  5 15:09:32 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:09:32 -0700
Subject: dgText [true] question?
In-Reply-To: <20090505170003.4294948A3E5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090505170003.4294948A3E5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D4BC418A-126C-4FDA-BA10-C4AA250206E4@netrin.com>

On May 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> When pFirstLineContainsHeaders is false then the data grid will try to
> create enough columns to display at least the first row of your data.
> I realize this is inconsistent but the "false" behavior was done in
> the interest of allowing someone to get some data into the data grid
> and displayed relatively quickly using the Property Inspector.

Thanks Trevore, now I get it.
And thanks for the datagrid. It is spectacularly useful!

Jim Lambert

myShape, Inc.
www.myshape.com
R&D
jim at myshape.com

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May  5 15:41:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:41:54 +0300
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4A009682.8020107@gmail.com>

Was your standalone for Linux built FOR Linux on Windows, or transferred 
as a stack onto
the target platform (Linux) and then built as a standalone?

This may seem a bit of a goofy question, but every single time I have 
built a standalone
for a platform on another platform I have ended up with something that 
doesn't function
very well.  Considering the vast difference between Windows and the 
various forms of Linux
I am not surprised.

Ken Ray wrote:
> I've got a basic PC (Dell Dimension 4600 running a P4 at 2.66GHz with 2GB
> RAM) that switch boots between Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.04.  I have a pretty
> complex app (my stick figure animaton program "Stykz") that loads about 8
> libraries has  a few front and back scripts and when it opens it displays a
> main window and 4 floating palettes.
>
> The app is built with the Rev 3.5 engine and when I launch it on Windows, it
> takes about 5 seconds from initial launch to idle. When I do this on Ubuntu
> it is agonizingly slow, taking 25-30 seconds to come to an idle state. And
> after this, everything is like molasses - windows take seconds! to redraw,
> mouse messages aren't recognized immediately, etc.
>
> I haven't done much on Linux except StackRunner, which was very lightweight,
> but my overall question is: are there any "gotchas" I should know about
> related to Linux that might account for significantly affecting performance?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May  5 15:45:07 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:45:07 +0300
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>	<23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>	<23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A009743.2070201@gmail.com>

To be absolutely safe probably it is best to have the image in THE same 
stack; i.e. in the
substack itself, rather than a parent stack.

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Josep wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, the images was imported into the stack "as control" and in 
>> develop mode
>> all is ok. The problem is when I build the standalone, all the images 
>> are
>> grey boxes. 
>
> Look in the Application Browser and verify the images are there. The 
> images must be in the same stack file as the buttons (the main stack, 
> or one of its substacks.) If they are in a separate independent stack, 
> they may not be found.
>



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue May  5 16:37:35 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:37:35 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905051337g257c7d7n9266f169c4fd9968@mail.gmail.com>

There are several bugs noted in RQCC about slow performance in Linux.
Some of those marked 'fixed'
(http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7273) are fixing
symptoms that manifest because of the much slower performance.

I found Rev 3.0 was unusable on Linux, and gave up trying.

Bernard


On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> I've got a basic PC (Dell Dimension 4600 running a P4 at 2.66GHz with 2GB
> RAM) that switch boots between Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.04. ?I have a pretty
> complex app (my stick figure animaton program "Stykz") that loads about 8
> libraries has ?a few front and back scripts and when it opens it displays a
> main window and 4 floating palettes.
>
> The app is built with the Rev 3.5 engine and when I launch it on Windows, it
> takes about 5 seconds from initial launch to idle. When I do this on Ubuntu
> it is agonizingly slow, taking 25-30 seconds to come to an idle state. And
> after this, everything is like molasses - windows take seconds! to redraw,
> mouse messages aren't recognized immediately, etc.
>
> I haven't done much on Linux except StackRunner, which was very lightweight,
> but my overall question is: are there any "gotchas" I should know about
> related to Linux that might account for significantly affecting performance?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May  5 16:46:46 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:46:46 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>

Ken-

Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:30:40 AM, you wrote:

> The app is built with the Rev 3.5 engine and when I launch it on Windows, it
> takes about 5 seconds from initial launch to idle. When I do this on Ubuntu
> it is agonizingly slow, taking 25-30 seconds to come to an idle state. And
> after this, everything is like molasses - windows take seconds! to redraw,
> mouse messages aren't recognized immediately, etc.

That's pretty much been my experience with rev on linux as well.
Anything having to do with screen refreshes is ridiculously slow,
scrollbars take forever and crash more often than not. I find it
unusable, on hardware that matches yours almost exactly. YMMV.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Tue May  5 17:10:29 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:29 -0700
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A009743.2070201@gmail.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com>	<23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>	<23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com> <4A009743.2070201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38D9C177-70C5-41B1-80B9-148212904341@cruzio.com>

If I understand the question, Josep is importing images via the import  
control command.  They appear as advertised in development, but  
disappear when he makes a standalone.  I think he said it's not a  
button icon issue.

Josep, have you made sure you have locked the image size and  
location?   If you have resized and relocated them, I believe those  
parameters need to be locked for them to stick across sessions.  Maybe  
they are somehow appearing somewhere off screen?  Dunno.

Mark

On May 5, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> To be absolutely safe probably it is best to have the image in THE  
> same stack; i.e. in the
> substack itself, rather than a parent stack.
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Josep wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes, the images was imported into the stack "as control" and in  
>>> develop mode
>>> all is ok. The problem is when I build the standalone, all the  
>>> images are
>>> grey boxes.
>>
>> Look in the Application Browser and verify the images are there.  
>> The images must be in the same stack file as the buttons (the main  
>> stack, or one of its substacks.) If they are in a separate  
>> independent stack, they may not be found.
>>
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue May  5 17:14:30 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:14:30 +0200
Subject: Layout control of a dg Form
Message-ID: <B8E12EB9-B879-4C62-8B84-9951CF61CE44@skynet.be>

Hello,


I try to make a form with a datagrid
the rowtemplate is 2 flds
the array for each row gives 2 text, one for the text fld "Data1" of  
the row and one for the text fld "Data2"
the formttedHeigth of each data is a variable

and I cannot find a script for the layoutcontrol to make the lines of  
each row with an appropriate height so that each text on each row is  
fully visible

how van I script a layout control ?

thanks

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue May  5 18:06:36 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:06:36 -0300
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha Folks,
anyone experiencing crashes when trying to save a stack? When I press CMD+S
the IDE freezes and dies... MacOS X 10.5.6, GLX2 2.4b35, Revolution
3.5.0-gm-1

Cheers
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue May  5 18:09:52 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:09:52 -0700
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905051509y3b9c7414p1fa7a3bf982bfdf@mail.gmail.com>

no that's one flavor of crash I have not experienced yet. Same specs.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/5 Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>

> Aloha Folks,
> anyone experiencing crashes when trying to save a stack? When I press CMD+S
> the IDE freezes and dies... MacOS X 10.5.6, GLX2 2.4b35, Revolution
> 3.5.0-gm-1
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May  5 18:20:57 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:20:57 -0700
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 3:06:36 PM, you wrote:

> anyone experiencing crashes when trying to save a stack? When I press CMD+S
> the IDE freezes and dies... MacOS X 10.5.6, GLX2 2.4b35, Revolution
> 3.5.0-gm-1

Yep. I've seen that. I hate to put this on our plate, but it seems to
be a GLX2 thing with rev 3.5. <sigh> We're working on it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue May  5 19:09:07 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:09:07 -0500
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
In-Reply-To: <581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <93E8D3AC-40E9-419F-B878-37685A188B6D@me.com>

The cmd+s freeze follows a certain type of execution error.

As Mark said, we're working it. Hard to track down, tho. Please post  
any recipes on the GLX2 site.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.glx2.com


On May 5, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Andre-
>
> Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 3:06:36 PM, you wrote:
>
>> anyone experiencing crashes when trying to save a stack? When I  
>> press CMD+S
>> the IDE freezes and dies... MacOS X 10.5.6, GLX2 2.4b35, Revolution
>> 3.5.0-gm-1
>
> Yep. I've seen that. I hate to put this on our plate, but it seems to
> be a GLX2 thing with rev 3.5. <sigh> We're working on it.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May  5 19:11:24 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:11:24 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905051337g257c7d7n9266f169c4fd9968@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62631CC.1CF5A%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> There are several bugs noted in RQCC about slow performance in Linux.
> Some of those marked 'fixed'
> (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7273) are fixing
> symptoms that manifest because of the much slower performance.
> 
> I found Rev 3.0 was unusable on Linux, and gave up trying.

Wow... that's really hard to hear...

I've chimed in on a couple of the reports at the RQCC... I *really* need to
come up with a solution; was 2.6.1 (the last version for Linux before 3.0 I
believe) faster/usable?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  6 03:17:43 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <23401298.post@talk.nabble.com>


No idea why, but it might be a good idea to eliminate Ubuntu.  Download a
liveCD Slackware based distro and see if it still happens.  For instance,
Zenwalk live or Slax.  Or Mandriva One.  

The other thing I would try is whether it is the same performance with all
desktops.  So on Ubuntu, install KDE and see if still happens with that.  If
so, try Fluxbox and see if it still happens there.

I do have odd experiences of unexplained slowness in Linux running Gnome -
particularly with Nautilus, which seems to slow to a crawl with large
folders.  Whereas either Konqueror or Xfe as file managers remain very
snappy.

Peter
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  6 03:20:51 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>


Mandriva isn't Slackware based of course, didn't mean to give that
impression.  So that would be a test of a third branch of the tree.
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From psahores at free.fr  Wed May  6 04:34:25 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:34:25 +0200
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>

In my experience, this slowness has mainly to do with X11. Any MC  
engine (need confirmation for Rev) started in the background in  
launching a service stack via an rc2 shell script will run faster  
under Linux than the service stack can run under windows or OS X in  
graphical mode.

Kind Regards,
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 6 mai 09 ? 09:20, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :

>
> Mandriva isn't Slackware based of course, didn't mean to give that
> impression.  So that would be a test of a third branch of the tree.
> -- 
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed May  6 05:01:44 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:01:44 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C62631CC.1CF5A%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <edcc7e6b0905051337g257c7d7n9266f169c4fd9968@mail.gmail.com>
	<C62631CC.1CF5A%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905060201o6d299d00h547f7e1e2bb65ddf@mail.gmail.com>

The problem wasn't just that Rev 3.0 was slower on Linux.  It was also
crashing daily and freezing regularly.

I pointed out in one bug report that Rev would routinely freeze using
chatRev.  It would happen on both Ubuntu and my (Fedora-based) Linux
netbook (see the screenshots attached to
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/attachment.cgi?id=1548) .

Bj?rnke also included at least one serious bug report concerning
chatRev.  ChatRev is not a particularly complicated piece of Rev
software, and one would think that such a simple Rev application which
has been in daily use for several years on Windows and Mac would also
work on Linux.  If it does not, then there are serious problems with
Rev on Linux.  On might also assume that if Runrev were seriously
interested in the performance of Rev on Linux that they would try to
work out what was happening with ChatRev.  It appears from his
comments on his bug report that Bj?rnke gave up trying to run Rev on
Linux.

I brought up these issues on the other list around the time of Rev
3.0's release.  Those who are committed to using Rev on Linux have had
to accept that Rev on Linux is much inferior to Rev on Windows and OS
X.  Indeed, in my experience Rev on Linux is worse than most free
software.

One must just assume that until Linux has a higher priority for Runrev
the situation is going to remain the same.  I would prefer that Runrev
concentrate their energy on providing a true cross-platform client
development environment rather than try to compete with the multitude
of server-side scripting languages, but it seems clear from the
enthusiasm with which On-Rev was greeted, that I am in a minority.

Many features found in the OS X and Windows versions of Rev have been
missing in the Linux version for years, and there is no sign of them
ever appearing (revBrowser, recording, QT stuff, speech
stuff,revFont).  I do realise that the QT features are only available
incidentally on Windows, but in my opinion that puts the onus on
Runrev to make sure the other missing features are provided.

Other features that are provided with Rev on Linux (e.g. SSL,
printing) are badly broken or don't work.

Welcome to the Revolution!

Bernard

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
> Wow... that's really hard to hear...
>
> I've chimed in on a couple of the reports at the RQCC... I *really* need to
> come up with a solution; was 2.6.1 (the last version for Linux before 3.0 I
> believe) faster/usable?
>
>
> Ken Ray


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed May  6 05:07:46 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:07:46 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905060207u1dd0d12xf665549b8fac70af@mail.gmail.com>

You may well be right that X11 is the problem.  In one test I did
using stacks as tables, a console-based Rev app on Linux was 100x
faster than using relational databases, even when the relational
databases were configured to keep all their tables in memory.

However, I suspect the same kinds of speed difference would be found
comparing PHP hash tables with relational databases (the performance
of the Prevayler model is not so surprising in these circumstances).

The problem for Rev is that there are many languages that can be used
to provide console-based services.

But like it or not, X11 is going to be the basic GUI that Rev has to
work with on Linux.  The interesting question is what has happened to
the programming of the Rev GUI since RunRev took over development from
Metacard.  I was not a MC user, but since MC was primarily aimed at
Unix GUIs, I cannot believe that the same kinds of problems were
experienced by unix users.

Bernard

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
> In my experience, this slowness has mainly to do with X11. Any MC engine
> (need confirmation for Rev) started in the background in launching a service
> stack via an rc2 shell script will run faster under Linux than the service
> stack can run under windows or OS X in graphical mode.
>
> Kind Regards,
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
> Le 6 mai 09 ? 09:20, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :
>
>>
>> Mandriva isn't Slackware based of course, didn't mean to give that
>> impression. ?So that would be a test of a third branch of the tree.
>> --
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed May  6 05:38:45 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:38:45 +0300
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4A015AA5.8020800@ekoinf.net>

PC Acer TravelMate 2300,  Celeron 1.5 GHz, upgraded to 2 Gb RAM. I 
tested my app (AALite sqlite database browser) on a few distributions 
and found that it is completely usable on  Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex 
(Gnome), but starts and then crashes Puppy; starts, works but finally 
crashes on Slax (KDE), both are Slackware based.  Did not notice any 
large speed loss on Ubuntu or any other Linux distribution though... All 
these tests were done with operating systems loaded completely into RAM 
from liveCDs. I also removed all the options that I do not need at the 
moment when compiling (no printing, no fonts, no table) Going to do more 
testing on other Linux distros...

As far as I remember previously applications compiled with RR 2.6 used 
to work on Puppy without any problems.

Viktoras

Ken Ray wrote:
> I've got a basic PC (Dell Dimension 4600 running a P4 at 2.66GHz with 2GB
> RAM) that switch boots between Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.04.  I have a pretty
> complex app (my stick figure animaton program "Stykz") that loads about 8
> libraries has  a few front and back scripts and when it opens it displays a
> main window and 4 floating palettes.
>
> The app is built with the Rev 3.5 engine and when I launch it on Windows, it
> takes about 5 seconds from initial launch to idle. When I do this on Ubuntu
> it is agonizingly slow, taking 25-30 seconds to come to an idle state. And
> after this, everything is like molasses - windows take seconds! to redraw,
> mouse messages aren't recognized immediately, etc.
>
> I haven't done much on Linux except StackRunner, which was very lightweight,
> but my overall question is: are there any "gotchas" I should know about
> related to Linux that might account for significantly affecting performance?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May  6 07:36:47 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:36:47 -1000
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
In-Reply-To: <581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>

Hi Mark,

> Yep. I've seen that. I hate to put this on our plate, but it seems to
> be a GLX2 thing with rev 3.5. <sigh> We're working on it.

On PC I've noted a number of these. Some result in crashes (apparently
related to saves) and some just annoying such as Ctrl-9 (for switching to
Browse Tool), which 8 times out of 10 results in an error and the GLX2 code
being brought up in the editor. Some to having breakpoints and the debugger.
Some to do with switching quickly to the message box after a save.

I've just assumed you guys are aware of these issues and are working
feverishly to correct them and so I haven't bothered to report any. But, if
you put out something that says all 3.5 compatibility issues fixed, ;-) and
I still see them, I'll then document recipes and report then on your site.

On a positive note, having to frequently re-launch Rev made me notice a
preferences bug, which I reported and has already been fixed by Rev for next
release. :-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From wow at together.net  Wed May  6 08:20:44 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:20:44 -0400
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A01809C.5050900@together.net>

I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way to 
have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to "set 
the externals" of the standalone?

It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd 
like to avoid modifying the standalone.

I've tried:

1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in 
one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work 
during runtime;

2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development 
environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the 
stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.

I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on a 
Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder) 
that I'm trying to access during runtime.

Thanks.
Richard Miller



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed May  6 08:24:41 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:24:41 -0400
Subject: Layout control of a dg Form
In-Reply-To: <B8E12EB9-B879-4C62-8B84-9951CF61CE44@skynet.be>
References: <B8E12EB9-B879-4C62-8B84-9951CF61CE44@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <9D79ECA7-7739-4066-BD4A-D41564F39ED3@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 5, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> I try to make a form with a datagrid
> the rowtemplate is 2 flds
> the array for each row gives 2 text, one for the text fld "Data1" of  
> the row and one for the text fld "Data2"
> the formttedHeigth of each data is a variable
>
> and I cannot find a script for the layoutcontrol to make the lines  
> of each row with an appropriate height so that each text on each row  
> is fully visible
>
> how van I script a layout control ?

Yves,

Is the issue with determining how to resize the fields so they are as  
tall as the content they have to display? If you just want to resize  
the fields to fit the appropriate height then you can do something  
like the following. Just make sure and turn off fixed control height  
for the data grid.

on LayoutControl pControlRect
     -- set the width of fields if needed...

     -- Now resize to fit height
     put the rect of field 1 of me into theRect
     put item 2 of theRect + \
         the formattedHeight of field 1 of me - the bottomMargin of  
field 1 of me \
         into item 4 of theRect
     set the rect of field 1 of me to theRect
end LayoutControl

Regards,

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May  6 08:31:00 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:31:00 -1000
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A01809C.5050900@together.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
	<4A01809C.5050900@together.net>
Message-ID: <002601c9ce46$83c491a0$8b4db4e0$@com>

Hi Richard,

Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack from
anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes available
the externals of that stack to other open stacks.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
> to
> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
> "set
> the externals" of the standalone?
> 
> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
> 
> I've tried:
> 
> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
> during runtime;
> 
> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
> 
> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
> a
> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> 
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From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed May  6 08:32:07 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:07 +0200
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A01809C.5050900@together.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
	<4A01809C.5050900@together.net>
Message-ID: <8D616381-4E3B-4D5E-9051-E56EEF97FC91@gmail.com>


Le 6 mai 09 ? 14:20, Richard Miller a ?crit :

> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a  
> way to have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT  
> having to "set the externals" of the standalone?
>
> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks.  
> I'd like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>
> I've tried:
>
> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack  
> handler in one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but  
> this didn't work during runtime;

can't work this way.
the property externals has to be set before opening a stack, or the  
other
way round you must set the external before saving your stack !!!!

> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development  
> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in  
> the stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.

one way to do this: build a templatestack, setting the externals in  
the templatestack,
then create a stack, open it, and then, may be: "start using your  
stack".....
this should be cross-platform.


HTH,
THierry



From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed May  6 08:50:26 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 05:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com> <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
	<23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <23406021.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Yes, the images are in the same stack, I checked with the application
browser. But the images in the standalone don't appear... 

Any idea?


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Josep wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, the images was imported into the stack "as control" and in develop
>> mode
>> all is ok. The problem is when I build the standalone, all the images are
>> grey boxes. 
> 
> Look in the Application Browser and verify the images are there. The 
> images must be in the same stack file as the buttons (the main stack, or 
> one of its substacks.) If they are in a separate independent stack, they 
> may not be found.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From wow at together.net  Wed May  6 09:19:04 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:19:04 -0400
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <002601c9ce46$83c491a0$8b4db4e0$@com>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>	<4A01809C.5050900@together.net>
	<002601c9ce46$83c491a0$8b4db4e0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A018E48.6050900@together.net>

Thanks Jim and Thierry,

Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so good.

Richard


Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack from
> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes available
> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>   
>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
>> to
>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
>> "set
>> the externals" of the standalone?
>>
>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>>
>> I've tried:
>>
>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
>> during runtime;
>>
>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
>>
>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
>> a
>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  6 09:58:20 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 06:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905060207u1dd0d12xf665549b8fac70af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
	<edcc7e6b0905060207u1dd0d12xf665549b8fac70af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23407237.post@talk.nabble.com>


ok, it should be very easy to test this.  Boot Puppy and pick the VESA
option.  Won't that tell you at least if its down to Xorg?

Peter


Bernard Devlin-2 wrote:
> 
> You may well be right that X11 is the problem.  .......
> 
> 

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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed May  6 09:58:43 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:58:43 +0200
Subject: Layout control of a dg Form
In-Reply-To: <9D79ECA7-7739-4066-BD4A-D41564F39ED3@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <B8E12EB9-B879-4C62-8B84-9951CF61CE44@skynet.be>
	<9D79ECA7-7739-4066-BD4A-D41564F39ED3@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <D57B1CA0-6809-4923-9765-ACB1BDE2B286@skynet.be>


Le 06-mai-09 ? 14:24, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On May 5, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
> Yves,
>
> Is the issue with determining how to resize the fields so they are  
> as tall as the content they have to display? If you just want to  
> resize the fields to fit the appropriate height then you can do  
> something like the following. Just make sure and turn off fixed  
> control height for the data grid.
>
> on LayoutControl pControlRect
>    -- set the width of fields if needed...
>
>    -- Now resize to fit height
>    put the rect of field 1 of me into theRect
>    put item 2 of theRect + \
>        the formattedHeight of field 1 of me - the bottomMargin of  
> field 1 of me \
>        into item 4 of theRect
>    set the rect of field 1 of me to theRect
> end LayoutControl
>
> Regards,
>
>


Re,

it's just what I need
I have adapted your script to my flds.
It works very nice

thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  6 10:58:58 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <4A009682.8020107@gmail.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com> <4A009682.8020107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23407970.post@talk.nabble.com>


Oh dear what a dispiriting thread.  I haven't experienced all this stuff,
though printing is still a mess in parts, and aspects of the IDE are very
irritating.  But in terms of how well it runs on Linux, I've usually found
3.0 and 3.5 to be improvements.  The native file dialog is a great
improvement.  The editor does not any more periodically slow to a crawl for
no apparent reason.

On X, Multiple desktops do not work at all on either Gnome or KDE - which
must reflect something basically wrong with the implementation.  Another
straw that supports the suggestion that the problem is to do with X.

If experienced professional developers using it on multiple platforms report
these sorts of issues, crashes and slowdowns and inability to handle X,
there is a real problem, and Rev needs to get to it.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  6 11:02:00 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:02:00 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
Message-ID: <4A01A668.2000700@fourthworld.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
 > The interesting question is what has happened to the programming
 > of the Rev GUI since RunRev took over development from Metacard.
 > I was not a MC user, but since MC was primarily aimed at Unix
 > GUIs, I cannot believe that the same kinds of problems were
 > experienced by unix users.

I think what happened was Motif died. :)

MC was originally built around emulated appearances, and only migrated 
to native appearances in the late '90s with Mac OS.  Later versions of 
the Windows and more recently the Linux engines now also use native 
appearances, but the overhead of integrating the engine's internals with 
these generalized systems is far greater than being able to handle 
everything itself.

When there was only Motif, life was easy.  But that was a long time ago, 
and today shipping anything using the Motif lookAndFeel looks really dated.

While undesirable for commercial deployment, I suspect that using any of 
the emulated appearances (Motif is alien looking to most modern users, 
and the "Win95" lookAndFeel is a very distant approximation of the KDE 
experience) would yield much better performance.

For the long term it seems clear that the Rev engine's interface with 
Linux window managers needs an overhaul to address not only performance 
issues but a good many aesthetic ones as well (note the weird appearance 
of some fields and buttons under Gnome).

I recognize that the work needed may represent a relatively low 
return-on-investment given the number of Linux-only customers in Rev's 
installed base weighed against what I imagine is a fairly substantial 
chunk of work to move it to a more graceful state.

But Linux is the fastest-growing desktop operating system on the planet, 
and its role in the deployment plans of all of RunRev's customers will 
only continue to grow.  IMNSHO, it's an investment worth making.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed May  6 11:15:26 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:15:26 -0300
Subject: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905060815p730b33e9sa37e62f45bd5cfb2@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,
I've built sometime ago a little toy called RevTwitter. It has a simple
twitter library for posting, searching and getting timelines.

I've built a minimal client too so you can play with it. After loading,
remember to fill your login details by clicking the preferences button.

It is a fun toy but the best part is the library which has some real nice
functions.

It's on RevOnline, have fun.

Andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed May  6 11:30:50 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:30:50 -0500
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
Message-ID: <4A01AD2A.6010206@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon that
had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems, and then
all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy the icon.

This happened a few weeks ago with no change in Revolution versions.  I
did try updating to Rev 3.5.0 to see if it fixed the problem, but it
still happens.

Any ideas?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From kevin at runrev.com  Wed May  6 11:35:59 2009
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:59 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905051337g257c7d7n9266f169c4fd9968@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6276CEF.69712%kevin@runrev.com>

On 5/5/09 21:37, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are several bugs noted in RQCC about slow performance in Linux.
> Some of those marked 'fixed'
> (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7273) are fixing
> symptoms that manifest because of the much slower performance.
> 
> I found Rev 3.0 was unusable on Linux, and gave up trying.

As you'll note from this bug report it was fixed for 3.5. We fixed a lot of
other issues on Linux for that release too, including a couple of slow
downs, crashes and memory leaks that occurred under certain window managers.
Linux has a small market share, is a rapidly moving target and is a large
and amorphous number of versions. Nonetheless we are committed to supporting
it and if these issues with Ken's app truly do persist in 3.5 then we will
take a look at them and sort them out for a future version.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed May  6 11:36:46 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:36:46 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <4A01A668.2000700@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A01A668.2000700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905060836mea5dbfu273734fc0c84911d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for putting the issues in a context.  It does go some way to
explaining why some of us have had such a bad experience of Rev on
Linux.

Bernard

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> I think what happened was Motif died. :)
>
> MC was originally built around emulated appearances, and only migrated to
> native appearances in the late '90s with Mac OS. ?Later versions of the
> Windows and more recently the Linux engines now also use native appearances,
> but the overhead of integrating the engine's internals with these
> generalized systems is far greater than being able to handle everything
> itself.
>
> When there was only Motif, life was easy. ?But that was a long time ago, and
> today shipping anything using the Motif lookAndFeel looks really dated.
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  6 11:44:52 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:44:52 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
Message-ID: <4A01B074.6060201@fourthworld.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 5/5/09 21:37, "Bernard Devlin" <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> There are several bugs noted in RQCC about slow performance in Linux.
>> Some of those marked 'fixed'
>> (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7273) are fixing
>> symptoms that manifest because of the much slower performance.
>> 
>> I found Rev 3.0 was unusable on Linux, and gave up trying.
> 
> As you'll note from this bug report it was fixed for 3.5. We fixed a lot of
> other issues on Linux for that release too, including a couple of slow
> downs, crashes and memory leaks that occurred under certain window managers.
> Linux has a small market share, is a rapidly moving target and is a large
> and amorphous number of versions. Nonetheless we are committed to supporting
> it and if these issues with Ken's app truly do persist in 3.5 then we will
> take a look at them and sort them out for a future version.


Great news, Kevin.  Thanks for posting that.

I'm going to go update my Linux deployments with the latest engine....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May  6 12:20:16 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:20:16 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01AD2A.6010206@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C62706D0.41540%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:

> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon that
> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems, and then
> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy the icon.

This happened to me recently.  I gave up trying to find the cause and went
to the old standby method of zipping/unzipping the standalone.  The icon was
there, which means it's something to do with updating the Finder.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed May  6 12:32:16 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01AD2A.6010206@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <347362.48003.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Is it not being shown in the Finder, or does it not get copied at all?
Try zipping the .app, deleting the .app, and unzipping the archive - if it does show up again, it's due to the Finder icon cache not getting updated (a common problem for developers in all Mac programming environments)
If it doesn't show up, control-click on the .app and use the contextual menu to show the package contents - then drill down to /Resources/Standalone.icns to see if the file is there or not.


Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:

> From: Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>
> Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application
> Icon that
> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no
> problems, and then
> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it
> doesn't copy the icon.
> 
> This happened a few weeks ago with no change in Revolution
> versions.  I
> did try updating to Rev 3.5.0 to see if it fixed the
> problem, but it
> still happens.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress
> 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May  6 12:46:50 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:46:50 +0300
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <C62706D0.41540%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62706D0.41540%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A01BEFA.7050701@gmail.com>

Yes, you have to relaunch the Finder:  I do hope somebody
other than me can understand 'close process' because
when I typed 'close process "Finder.app" ' nothing happened.

Quitting th Finder should sufficient as it should
automatically relaunch.

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>
>   
>> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon that
>> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems, and then
>> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy the icon.
>>     
>
> This happened to me recently.  I gave up trying to find the cause and went
> to the old standby method of zipping/unzipping the standalone.  The icon was
> there, which means it's something to do with updating the Finder.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  6 12:56:01 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:56:01 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
Message-ID: <4A01C121.1020806@fourthworld.com>

I find that just duplicating the standalone will cause the Finder to 
draw the copy with the icons.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Yes, you have to relaunch the Finder:  I do hope somebody
> other than me can understand 'close process' because
> when I typed 'close process "Finder.app" ' nothing happened.
> 
> Quitting th Finder should sufficient as it should
> automatically relaunch.
> 
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon that
>>> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems, and then
>>> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy the icon.
>>>     
>>
>> This happened to me recently.  I gave up trying to find the cause and went
>> to the old standby method of zipping/unzipping the standalone.  The icon was
>> there, which means it's something to do with updating the Finder.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi




From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed May  6 13:03:13 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:03:13 +0200
Subject: installer made by Rev...
Message-ID: <8C390B4C-DA1E-4547-9D2E-97347413C68D@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm finishing an installer in Rev which is a basic stack in fact.

After asking some parameters, it will check on the web for versions,
and should dowload few files.

Those files were compressed before.

Rev can download them,
decompress them and save them on the user's disk.

So far so good.

But, I have a external.bundle to download too,
and I'm stuck on how to compress,
zip or package it
so the stack installer can download it  and save it.

I've even tried the gzip/gunzip command line tool
which doesn't work either :-(

Any clever clue ?
It will be good to be done in Rev only.

ps: don't have this problem on Windowsxx or Linux.

Thanks for enlightment
Thierry



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May  6 13:04:29 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:04:29 +0300
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01C121.1020806@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A01C121.1020806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A01C31D.4000203@gmail.com>

Well, that's all very fine if you are there, and it's your computer.

However, I have downloaded an application (not a RR standalone) before
and had to relaunch the Finder myself to get the icon to show up.


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I find that just duplicating the standalone will cause the Finder to 
> draw the copy with the icons.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Yes, you have to relaunch the Finder:  I do hope somebody
>> other than me can understand 'close process' because
>> when I typed 'close process "Finder.app" ' nothing happened.
>>
>> Quitting th Finder should sufficient as it should
>> automatically relaunch.
>>
>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Recently, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon that
>>>> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems, and 
>>>> then
>>>> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy the 
>>>> icon.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> This happened to me recently.  I gave up trying to find the cause 
>>> and went
>>> to the old standby method of zipping/unzipping the standalone.  The 
>>> icon was
>>> there, which means it's something to do with updating the Finder.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May  6 13:06:19 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:06:19 +0200
Subject: installer made by Rev...
In-Reply-To: <8C390B4C-DA1E-4547-9D2E-97347413C68D@gmail.com>
References: <8C390B4C-DA1E-4547-9D2E-97347413C68D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F63D326-7270-433C-BE5B-99D4B480B129@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Thierry,

A bundle is just a folder. Handle it just like any folder in your  
project. I do that with my installer too.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 6 mei 2009, at 19:03, Thierry wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm finishing an installer in Rev which is a basic stack in fact.
>
> After asking some parameters, it will check on the web for versions,
> and should dowload few files.
>
> Those files were compressed before.
>
> Rev can download them,
> decompress them and save them on the user's disk.
>
> So far so good.
>
> But, I have a external.bundle to download too,
> and I'm stuck on how to compress,
> zip or package it
> so the stack installer can download it  and save it.
>
> I've even tried the gzip/gunzip command line tool
> which doesn't work either :-(
>
> Any clever clue ?
> It will be good to be done in Rev only.
>
> ps: don't have this problem on Windowsxx or Linux.
>
> Thanks for enlightment
> Thierry



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May  6 13:10:24 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:10:24 -0700
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
Message-ID: <431365363906.20090506101024@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:36:47 AM, you wrote:

> I've just assumed you guys are aware of these issues and are working
> feverishly to correct them and so I haven't bothered to report any. But, if

*Never* assume that sort of stuff. Most of the time we become aware of
issues when someone reports them.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  6 13:18:10 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:18:10 -0700
Subject: installer made by Rev...
Message-ID: <4A01C652.2000600@fourthworld.com>

Thierry wrote:
> I'm finishing an installer in Rev which is a basic stack in fact.
> 
> After asking some parameters, it will check on the web for versions,
> and should dowload few files.
> 
> Those files were compressed before.
> 
> Rev can download them,
> decompress them and save them on the user's disk.
> 
> So far so good.
> 
> But, I have a external.bundle to download too,
> and I'm stuck on how to compress,
> zip or package it
> so the stack installer can download it  and save it.
> 
> I've even tried the gzip/gunzip command line tool
> which doesn't work either :-(
> 
> Any clever clue ?
> It will be good to be done in Rev only.

I've become increasingly annoyed with the build process using any other 
installer maker, so I make my own in Rev too. Freedom + convenience!

As Mark S. noted, an OSX bundle is just a folder, so you can store its 
parts however you would store any other folder.  My installer walks 
through the bundle keep track of folders, and tucking the data files and 
folder references into custom props gzipped at build time, spitting them 
out into created directories at install time.

When you spit out the Mac executable, remember that you'll need to set 
its executable bit -- Mark Waddingham was kind enough to share this with me:

   get shell("chmod ugo+x" && quote & tDest & quote)

...where tDest is the path to the executable inside *.app/Contents/MacOS/


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed May  6 13:44:48 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:44:48 -0500
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <347362.48003.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <347362.48003.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A01CC90.7050405@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Well how strange is that.  As soon as I try to test the helpful advise
every gave me, it starts to work again!

I will say this though, when the problem was happening, I would have to
go into the Package Contents, and remove the Standalone.icns and replace
it with my icon.

If this happens again  I'll try the solutions everyone suggested.
Thanks again to everyone for helping me out!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From christian.langers at education.lu  Wed May  6 13:53:25 2009
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:53:25 +0200
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01BEFA.7050701@gmail.com>
References: <C62706D0.41540%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4A01BEFA.7050701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A01CE95.6040901@education.lu>

On 6/05/09 18:46, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Yes, you have to relaunch the Finder:  I do hope somebody
> other than me can understand 'close process' because
> when I typed 'close process "Finder.app" ' nothing happened.
>
using the shell with :  killAll "Finder"

or in Rev

using

get shell("killAll 'Finder'") works

Regards,

Christian

> Quitting th Finder should sufficient as it should
> automatically relaunch.
>
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon that
>>> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems, and then
>>> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy the 
>>> icon.
>>
>> This happened to me recently.  I gave up trying to find the cause and 
>> went
>> to the old standby method of zipping/unzipping the standalone.  The 
>> icon was
>> there, which means it's something to do with updating the Finder.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May  6 13:54:08 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:54:08 -1000
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A018E48.6050900@together.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>	<4A01809C.5050900@together.net>	<002601c9ce46$83c491a0$8b4db4e0$@com>
	<4A018E48.6050900@together.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c9ce73$a7f9d9e0$f7ed8da0$@com>

Hi Richard,

> Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so
> good.

Great.

BTW, just in case you didn't know. If you want to add a stack that's needs
to be put in use and don't want to modify any other stacks, you can have a
stack put itself in use with something like:

ON preOpenStack
    IF the long name of me = the long name of this stack THEN start using
this stack
END preOpenStack

This puts the stack into the stacksInUse.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed May  6 14:06:38 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embeded images don't showed in standalone
In-Reply-To: <38D9C177-70C5-41B1-80B9-148212904341@cruzio.com>
References: <23378864.post@talk.nabble.com> <23386252.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<D82FCA6C-1308-448A-99E6-604DC69744F0@cruzio.com>
	<23392691.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A0082DC.3030002@hyperactivesw.com> <4A009743.2070201@gmail.com>
	<38D9C177-70C5-41B1-80B9-148212904341@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <23412368.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Well, after severals standalone builidings... and tests nothing change. I
import again all the images without make copy paste between stacks... The
images aren't show. Only appear grey boxes in the location where the image
will be stay. The images are locked position in the stacks.

But, if I import as reference and in the standalone settings "Copy Files" I
check the option "Copy referenced files" all the images are showed.
But, I don't want this, so the user can change or modify them...

Why with "Import image as control" don't run? 
Also I updated to 3.5 gm-2 last night.. but the same...

Salut,
Josep
 

Mark Swindell wrote:
> 
> If I understand the question, Josep is importing images via the import  
> control command.  They appear as advertised in development, but  
> disappear when he makes a standalone.  I think he said it's not a  
> button icon issue.
> 
> Josep, have you made sure you have locked the image size and  
> location?   If you have resized and relocated them, I believe those  
> parameters need to be locked for them to stick across sessions.  Maybe  
> they are somehow appearing somewhere off screen?  Dunno.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On May 5, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
>> To be absolutely safe probably it is best to have the image in THE  
>> same stack; i.e. in the
>> substack itself, rather than a parent stack.
>>
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Josep wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the images was imported into the stack "as control" and in  
>>>> develop mode
>>>> all is ok. The problem is when I build the standalone, all the  
>>>> images are
>>>> grey boxes.
>>>
>>> Look in the Application Browser and verify the images are there.  
>>> The images must be in the same stack file as the buttons (the main  
>>> stack, or one of its substacks.) If they are in a separate  
>>> independent stack, they may not be found.
>>>
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May  6 14:07:59 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:07:59 -0500
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01CC90.7050405@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <347362.48003.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4A01CC90.7050405@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A01D1FF.4010802@hyperactivesw.com>

Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> Well how strange is that.  As soon as I try to test the helpful advise
> every gave me, it starts to work again!
> 
> I will say this though, when the problem was happening, I would have to
> go into the Package Contents, and remove the Standalone.icns and replace
> it with my icon.
> 
> If this happens again  I'll try the solutions everyone suggested.
> Thanks again to everyone for helping me out!

An even easier way than zipping/unzipping is to just use the "touch" 
command, which you can do from either Terminal or from Rev's message box:

  touch <path to app>

The very easiest way, which seems to work occasionally but not always, 
is to Get Info on the app, click in the icon box, and hit the delete key 
on your keyboard. That sometimes forces the Finder to "replace" the icon 
with the one in the bundle.

BTW, I think relaunching the Finder is way overkill. Use one of the 
other methods.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  6 14:12:17 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Kennan Ray)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:12:17 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
Message-ID: <9B5A813E-E246-4A71-9FF8-6446363D49C3@sonsothunder.com>

Excuse my ignorance, but how do you launch a stack with an "rc2 shell  
script"?

And would doing so still display my GUI as if it were a standalone?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software

On May 6, 2009, at 3:34 AM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:

> In my experience, this slowness has mainly to do with X11. Any MC  
> engine (need confirmation for Rev) started in the background in  
> launching a service stack via an rc2 shell script will run faster  
> under Linux than the service stack can run under windows or OS X in  
> graphical mode.
>
> Kind Regards,
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
> Le 6 mai 09 ? 09:20, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :
>
>>
>> Mandriva isn't Slackware based of course, didn't mean to give that
>> impression.  So that would be a test of a third branch of the tree.
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/App-on-Linux---really-slow...-any-ideas-why--tp23393374p23401344.html
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed May  6 14:14:52 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:14:52 -0300
Subject: installer made by Rev...
In-Reply-To: <1F63D326-7270-433C-BE5B-99D4B480B129@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8C390B4C-DA1E-4547-9D2E-97347413C68D@gmail.com>
	<1F63D326-7270-433C-BE5B-99D4B480B129@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905061114u1582ef28qa85dcfc067fd313b@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Friends don't let Friends lose resource forks!

Even as a bundle is just a folder, some files inside it might not be just
simple files. If you simply compress it, you might end up loosing any
resource fork in the files since zip does not take care of that. Check the
ditto command line tool, it is bundle with mac os x and it is able to create
zips preserving the permissions and the resource forks.

:D

andre


On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Thierry,
>
> A bundle is just a folder. Handle it just like any folder in your project.
> I do that with my installer too.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> On 6 mei 2009, at 19:03, Thierry wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> I'm finishing an installer in Rev which is a basic stack in fact.
>>
>> After asking some parameters, it will check on the web for versions,
>> and should dowload few files.
>>
>> Those files were compressed before.
>>
>> Rev can download them,
>> decompress them and save them on the user's disk.
>>
>> So far so good.
>>
>> But, I have a external.bundle to download too,
>> and I'm stuck on how to compress,
>> zip or package it
>> so the stack installer can download it  and save it.
>>
>> I've even tried the gzip/gunzip command line tool
>> which doesn't work either :-(
>>
>> Any clever clue ?
>> It will be good to be done in Rev only.
>>
>> ps: don't have this problem on Windowsxx or Linux.
>>
>> Thanks for enlightment
>> Thierry
>>
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  6 14:19:43 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Kennan Ray)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:19:43 -0500
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01C121.1020806@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A01C121.1020806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AEFB97C7-CC96-454C-99C0-ECF32692FE36@sonsothunder.com>

You can also use the "touch" command in the shell:

   get shell("touch && pathToApp)

I use Path Finder as a Finder replacement and it includes a Rouch  
command in the right-click menu.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software

On May 6, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Richard Gaskin  
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I find that just duplicating the standalone will cause the Finder to  
> draw the copy with the icons.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Yes, you have to relaunch the Finder:  I do hope somebody
>> other than me can understand 'close process' because
>> when I typed 'close process "Finder.app" ' nothing happened.
>> Quitting th Finder should sufficient as it should
>> automatically relaunch.
>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Recently, Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what is causing this?  I had a Application Icon  
>>>> that
>>>> had been copied into the Mac OS X Standalone with no problems,  
>>>> and then
>>>> all of a sudden when Rev builds the standalone, it doesn't copy  
>>>> the icon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This happened to me recently.  I gave up trying to find the cause  
>>> and went
>>> to the old standby method of zipping/unzipping the standalone.   
>>> The icon was
>>> there, which means it's something to do with updating the Finder.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>
>
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed May  6 14:21:37 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:21:37 -0500
Subject: [BUG?] strange behavior, IDE crashing on CMD+S
In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>
	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>
	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>
Message-ID: <85CB65DD-3696-41A6-8F4C-B2F7F032C911@me.com>

Mark just sent me a potential fix for the short-cut key lock up  
problem on GLX2. We're testing it.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.glx2.com

On May 6, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
>> Yep. I've seen that. I hate to put this on our plate, but it seems to
>> be a GLX2 thing with rev 3.5. <sigh> We're working on it.
>
> On PC I've noted a number of these. Some result in crashes (apparently
> related to saves) and some just annoying such as Ctrl-9 (for  
> switching to
> Browse Tool), which 8 times out of 10 results in an error and the  
> GLX2 code
> being brought up in the editor. Some to having breakpoints and the  
> debugger.
> Some to do with switching quickly to the message box after a save.
>
> I've just assumed you guys are aware of these issues and are working
> feverishly to correct them and so I haven't bothered to report any.  
> But, if
> you put out something that says all 3.5 compatibility issues  
> fixed, ;-) and
> I still see them, I'll then document recipes and report then on your  
> site.
>
> On a positive note, having to frequently re-launch Rev made me  
> notice a
> preferences bug, which I reported and has already been fixed by Rev  
> for next
> release. :-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
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From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed May  6 15:01:56 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:01:56 +0200
Subject: installer made by Rev...
In-Reply-To: <4A01C652.2000600@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A01C652.2000600@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <62E1C310-7CA2-4C31-8A73-21DAC8295EB6@gmail.com>

Thanks Richard, Mark,...

well, I knew a bundle is a folder.
I was hoping of an unrevealed feature to avoid scanning the bundle  
folder,
and dealing with each kind of files inside....

So, in the same vein you run a shell command to set exe bit,
i'm using this shell command for all the process :
      get shell(  "tar xf compressedfile")

and files dates,  files permissions are all respected.....

Hope all those Mac from 10.4 have /usr/bin/tar !

Thierry

>> I'm finishing an installer in Rev which is a basic stack in fact.
>> After asking some parameters, it will check on the web for versions,
>> and should dowload few files.
>> Those files were compressed before.
>> Rev can download them,
>> decompress them and save them on the user's disk.
>> So far so good.
>> But, I have a external.bundle to download too,
>> and I'm stuck on how to compress,
>> zip or package it
>> so the stack installer can download it  and save it.
>> I've even tried the gzip/gunzip command line tool
>> which doesn't work either :-(
>> Any clever clue ?
>> It will be good to be done in Rev only.
>
> I've become increasingly annoyed with the build process using any  
> other installer maker, so I make my own in Rev too. Freedom +  
> convenience!
>
> As Mark S. noted, an OSX bundle is just a folder, so you can store  
> its parts however you would store any other folder.  My installer  
> walks through the bundle keep track of folders, and tucking the  
> data files and folder references into custom props gzipped at build  
> time, spitting them out into created directories at install time.
>
> When you spit out the Mac executable, remember that you'll need to  
> set its executable bit -- Mark Waddingham was kind enough to share  
> this with me:
>
>   get shell("chmod ugo+x" && quote & tDest & quote)
>
> ...where tDest is the path to the executable inside *.app/Contents/ 
> MacOS/
>


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed May  6 15:04:39 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:04:39 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <9B5A813E-E246-4A71-9FF8-6446363D49C3@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
	<9B5A813E-E246-4A71-9FF8-6446363D49C3@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905061204w66dbf215gb1ca802b777bf525@mail.gmail.com>

I think that Pierre was talking about using Rev as a server-side
scripting language, more or less the way a Rev CGI works (only in
Pierre's case, I think he's interested in Rev as a long-running server
process, hence launched as a daemon service).  This would mean running
without a GUI.

I hope Pierre will correct me if I'm misunderstanding something.

Bernard

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Kennan Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance, but how do you launch a stack with an "rc2 shell
> script"?
>
> And would doing so still display my GUI as if it were a standalone?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
>
> On May 6, 2009, at 3:34 AM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
>
>> In my experience, this slowness has mainly to do with X11. Any MC engine
>> (need confirmation for Rev) started in the background in launching a service
>> stack via an rc2 shell script will run faster under Linux than the service
>> stack can run under windows or OS X in graphical mode.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>>
>>
>> Le 6 mai 09 ? 09:20, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :
>>
>>>
>>> Mandriva isn't Slackware based of course, didn't mean to give that
>>> impression. ?So that would be a test of a third branch of the tree.
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/App-on-Linux---really-slow...-any-ideas-why--tp23393374p23401344.html
>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
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From generic.email.30022 at gmail.com  Wed May  6 15:15:52 2009
From: generic.email.30022 at gmail.com (Generic Email)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:15:52 -0500
Subject: Run on-rev to tropo integration
Message-ID: <460E6D3C-473C-4660-B923-F2CFC9E784DA@gmail.com>

So I was reading this morning about Tropo (http://www.tropo.com/) this  
voice service where you can write code and make their IVR system do  
neat things.
It works by you registering an app on their side, and you call it with  
a URL which has embedded params, or a html form, or whatever.
And then I thought, I wonder if put URL works in on-rev.

It does, so it made this integration kinda easy. Basically this page  
allows you to enter a persons name, 10 digit phone number (US and  
Canada only, I think), and a message. When you press submit, their  
server will call the person and give them the speech synthesized  
message.


I thought it was cool. Check it out. I am certain someone will abuse  
it so I will take it down shortly, but it is up for now so you can say  
"cool!" with me.

http://bshuler.on-rev.com/test.irev

fun fun fun



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed May  6 16:05:38 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:05:38 -0700
Subject: Run on-rev to tropo integration
In-Reply-To: <460E6D3C-473C-4660-B923-F2CFC9E784DA@gmail.com>
References: <460E6D3C-473C-4660-B923-F2CFC9E784DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A01ED92.2080908@pdslabs.net>

Generic Email wrote:
> So I was reading this morning about Tropo (http://www.tropo.com/) this 
> voice service where you can write code and make their IVR system do 
> neat things.
> It works by you registering an app on their side, and you call it with 
> a URL which has embedded params, or a html form, or whatever.
> And then I thought, I wonder if put URL works in on-rev.
>
> It does, so it made this integration kinda easy. Basically this page 
> allows you to enter a persons name, 10 digit phone number (US and 
> Canada only, I think), and a message. When you press submit, their 
> server will call the person and give them the speech synthesized message.
>
> I thought it was cool. Check it out. I am certain someone will abuse 
> it so I will take it down shortly, but it is up for now so you can say 
> "cool!" with me.

Cool indeed!

> http://bshuler.on-rev.com/test.irev
>
> fun fun fun 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed May  6 17:42:26 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:42:26 -0400
Subject: Rev 3.5.0-gm-2
Message-ID: <0CD85DCE-E303-4DA6-ABFB-19735C4B1A3F@wehostmacs.com>

Seems there is a new Rev for download - available through the Update  
option in the IDE or from the website. Spamming the changes here so  
you can determine if the fixes warrant a download and change to your  
work-flow (personally I dislike having to download and install just  
to see what is new/fixed)


Bugs fixed in 3.5.0-gm-2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bug 6914 : Dictionary entry for split command formatting issues
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7440 : Dictionary entry for mouse function missing information
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7740 : Problems uploading to revOnline when a substack was foremost
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7909 : Problem with user comments formatting in dictionary
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7916 : Dictionary entry for controlKeyDown message has incorrect  
parameter name
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7920 : No menu "Help" in Script Editor on OS X
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7925 : Less than symbol not rendered in entry for buildNumber
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7932 : Data Grid execution error in Property Inspector
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7952 : Private function docTagTypes error at end of script
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7953 : RevOnline Login failing for some users
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7959 : Unable to clear "Hilited Text" of data grid
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7965 : RevOnline should order tags by popularity
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 7976 : Misspelling in dictionary entry for behavior property
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 8001 : script editor - confirmation dialog does not trap CMD W
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 8016 : Script editor auto indent fails on switch with default but  
no case
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed

Bug 8018 : Dictionary throws revOnline server error on "value" entry
~~~~~~~~~
Fixed



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  6 17:57:40 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:57:40 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C6276CEF.69712%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C6277204.1CFE2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> As you'll note from this bug report it was fixed for 3.5. We fixed a lot of
> other issues on Linux for that release too, including a couple of slow
> downs, crashes and memory leaks that occurred under certain window managers.
> Linux has a small market share, is a rapidly moving target and is a large
> and amorphous number of versions. Nonetheless we are committed to supporting
> it and if these issues with Ken's app truly do persist in 3.5 then we will
> take a look at them and sort them out for a future version.

The bug that was reported and was fixed was related to icons flashing
multiple times in the Rev IDE

Oh, they certainly *do* persist in 3.5 (under Ubuntu, that is); that was the
version I was using when I discovered the major slowdown and wrote to the
list. I've contacted you off-list about this.

I'll test this in a couple of other Linux distros and window managers, but
as Ubuntu (and its variants) get a lot of press, even if it worked better in
other distros it would be great not to have to tell customers "this works
great in ____, but don't use it in Ubuntu".

:-)

I'll report back what I find...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May  6 18:29:50 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:29:50 EDT
Subject: Rev 3.5.0-gm-2
Message-ID: <c05.5e7b2343.3733695e@aol.com>

Of all the bugs they might have fixed, they neglect the ability to 
uncomment via keyboard shortcut.

I am depressed.

Craig Newman


**************
Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist 
near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&amp;
ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed May  6 18:43:13 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:43:13 -0400
Subject: Rev 3.5.0-gm-2
Message-ID: <5D4CC7C9-8BBE-4A12-800D-30AA18A2B3B0@wehostmacs.com>

Quit Rev
Delete your preference file
Restart Rev
See if that works for you.. I used to have the same issue but seems  
to be working correctly now.


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed May  6 19:09:20 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:09:20 -0600
Subject: Rev 3.5.0-gm-2
In-Reply-To: <5D4CC7C9-8BBE-4A12-800D-30AA18A2B3B0@wehostmacs.com>
References: <5D4CC7C9-8BBE-4A12-800D-30AA18A2B3B0@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <3E477E24-3B07-476B-829F-E056B2804D52@byu.edu>

On May 6, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> Quit Rev
> Delete your preference file
> Restart Rev
> See if that works for you.. I used to have the same issue but seems
> to be working correctly now.

It only works if you have not changed the default comment character to  
# from --. If your default comment character is # the uncomment  
shortcut doesn't work regardless of whether you reset your preference  
file.

At least this has been my experience. I would love to hear about it if  
if works for others.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed May  6 19:16:46 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:16:46 -0400
Subject: Rev 3.5.0-gm-2
In-Reply-To: <0CD85DCE-E303-4DA6-ABFB-19735C4B1A3F@wehostmacs.com>
References: <0CD85DCE-E303-4DA6-ABFB-19735C4B1A3F@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <F6C516FA-ACC6-43C6-9E5A-1439DE4FEE52@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 6, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> Seems there is a new Rev for download - available through the Update  
> option in the IDE or from the website. Spamming the changes here so  
> you can determine if the fixes warrant a download and change to your  
> work-flow (personally I dislike having to download and install just  
> to see what is new/fixed)

Shao,

Don't forget about the engine change log as well. Some significant  
crashes were fixed, one that you could expose if you had a data grid  
with a button that had it's icon set and was placed on two cards in a  
stack. There are also fixes to the data grid.

Bugs fixed in 3.5.0-gm-2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bug 7943: Undo in a field can cause crash / data corruption after  
using arrow keys
~~~~~~~~
   Fixed.

Bug 7946: Exporting snapshot from field swaps color channels
~~~~~~~~
   Fixed.

Bug 7517: Crash on quit after deletion of button with icon in group  
placed on multiple cards inside preOpenCard handler, leads to OS X log  
out.
~~~~~~~~
   Fixed.

Bug 8011: Crash while using the convert command to obtain a system  
date on a system with English locale but Polish date format.
~~~~~~~~
   Fixed.



Data Grid Changes in gm-2:

1.0.0.5
* When closing the field editor (i.e. you were editing a cell value)  
focus was not returning to the data grid properly.
* 'alternate row color' was not drawing with the user defined color.
* Default hilited text color and scrollbar width for data grid on  
Windows is now fetched from the windows registry.
* Revolution crashes when generating data grid alternating rows if  
paintcompression = JPEG. Data grid now sets paintcompression to PNG  
before drawing alternating rows.
* Alternating line colors are now initialized when control is first  
opened in order to work around issue introduced by standalone builder  
in some circumstances.
* Tabbing through table cells was not working properly.
* When clicking on a data grid and it doesn't have focus it is now  
focused even if auto hilite is false.
* Delete key no longer does anything if no selection.
* All uses of 'the focusedobject' changed to 'the long id of the  
focusedObject'. The engine sometimes returns empty for the former when  
the later returns a valid value. I think it might be related to focus  
messages and stack resuming/suspending. In any case, it leads to  
unexpected behavior.
* When data grid controls are moved on screen messages are unlocked.  
This allow message like mouseEnter to be triggered properly.
* Changed SortDataByKey so that previous sort is maintained when  
performing new sort (stable).
* When an editable field is open rawKeyDown messages are passed as  
appropriate.
* SetDataOfIndex now updates persistent data storage.
* put the dgText[true] of group "DataGrid" now returns the column  
names/keys in the first line of returned text.

Regards,


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed May  6 21:25:18 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:25:18 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
Message-ID: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>

I'm putting together an updater stack whose purpose will be to take two 
stack of identical structure and update the button and field scripts 
from the "source" stack and copy them them to the "destination" stack. 
What I'm doing now is to open both the source and destination stack and 
going back and forth, updating the script of the buttons and fields one 
at a time. Then saving and closing when it's done. But if I have a set 
of stacks that have substacks (which I may or may not want to update) I 
know that Rev doesn't like to have two stacks with the same name open at 
the same time, should I, for example, get the script of button 1 of 
stack 1, close it, go to stack 2 and update the script of button 1, save 
and close, etc until everything is updated, or is there a better suggestion?

Thanks for any help,
Marty Knapp


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  6 21:43:45 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:43:45 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F69902FA-3CF6-42E6-9545-767B20A7EE9D@cox.net>

Marty,

A brute force method would be to open stack 1; load all of the data  
you wish transferred to the other stack into vars; close stack 1; open  
stack 2 and load all the vars into the objects in stack 2. If they are  
numbered sequentially, this should be very easy. Otherwise, perhaps a  
bit tedious.

HTH,

Joe Wilkins

On May 6, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> I'm putting together an updater stack whose purpose will be to take  
> two stack of identical structure and update the button and field  
> scripts from the "source" stack and copy them them to the  
> "destination" stack. What I'm doing now is to open both the source  
> and destination stack and going back and forth, updating the script  
> of the buttons and fields one at a time. Then saving and closing  
> when it's done. But if I have a set of stacks that have substacks  
> (which I may or may not want to update) I know that Rev doesn't like  
> to have two stacks with the same name open at the same time, should  
> I, for example, get the script of button 1 of stack 1, close it, go  
> to stack 2 and update the script of button 1, save and close, etc  
> until everything is updated, or is there a better suggestion?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Marty Knapp
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May  6 22:19:37 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:37 EDT
Subject: property inspector poll
Message-ID: <d1d.45b8c15b.37339f39@aol.com>

Josh.

I uploaded my gadget to revOnLine. It is called "Wizard", kluged together 
over 20 years. It does some things better, mainly on flds and btns, than the 
property inspector. It is far more useful in HC than here in Revolution, 
which has awfully, awfully cool tools that HC could only dream of.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 5/1/09 5:57:17 PM, josh at dvcreators.net writes:


> Thanks Craig, does it work with all objects, or just fields and buttons?
> 
> Are you all working with the stock property inspector where you have?
> to access a menu to get to all the different property groups??!? Hard?
> to believe!
> 




**************
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(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&amp;ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)


From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May  6 22:53:54 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:53:54 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>

Hi Marty,

Please take a look at Changed Code Picker, fourth one down on:

http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en

It's free and it opens and compares all scripts of two identical stacks and
lets you move selected code of a reference stack to your newer stack. If you
want to move all code of one stack to another, just clone the stack.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:25 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Stack updater
> 
> I'm putting together an updater stack whose purpose will be to take two
> stack of identical structure and update the button and field scripts
> from the "source" stack and copy them them to the "destination" stack.
> What I'm doing now is to open both the source and destination stack and
> going back and forth, updating the script of the buttons and fields one
> at a time. Then saving and closing when it's done. But if I have a set
> of stacks that have substacks (which I may or may not want to update) I
> know that Rev doesn't like to have two stacks with the same name open
> at
> the same time, should I, for example, get the script of button 1 of
> stack 1, close it, go to stack 2 and update the script of button 1,
> save
> and close, etc until everything is updated, or is there a better
> suggestion?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Marty Knapp
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed May  6 23:05:16 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:05:16 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>

Thanks Jim,

I downloaded the stack, but get this error on openstack:

stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no such 
object) near "script", char 34

Marty Knapp

> Hi Marty,
>
> Please take a look at Changed Code Picker, fourth one down on:
>
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en
>
> It's free and it opens and compares all scripts of two identical stacks and
> lets you move selected code of a reference stack to your newer stack. If you
> want to move all code of one stack to another, just clone the stack.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:25 PM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Stack updater
>>
>> I'm putting together an updater stack whose purpose will be to take two
>> stack of identical structure and update the button and field scripts
>> from the "source" stack and copy them them to the "destination" stack.
>> What I'm doing now is to open both the source and destination stack and
>> going back and forth, updating the script of the buttons and fields one
>> at a time. Then saving and closing when it's done. But if I have a set
>> of stacks that have substacks (which I may or may not want to update) I
>> know that Rev doesn't like to have two stacks with the same name open
>> at
>> the same time, should I, for example, get the script of button 1 of
>> stack 1, close it, go to stack 2 and update the script of button 1,
>> save
>> and close, etc until everything is updated, or is there a better
>> suggestion?
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Marty Knapp
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Wed May  6 23:43:56 2009
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:43:56 -0700
Subject: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
Message-ID: <84ADD902-1362-46E7-8FFA-6F83702840C9@mac.com>

Hi All!

I'm making a little web browser client that needs to check the  
contents of a file on a web server. It needs to be able to do this  
every 5 seconds or so in the background, and then if the contents  
changes in the last line of the file it is checking, it starts another  
process in the background. Can this be done in Rev? Would I use two  
stacks, one as the browser and one with the repeat loop?

I'm at a loss for what this might look like in a script?

Thanks in Advance!


John Patten


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 00:49:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:33 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>
	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>

Hi Marty,

> I downloaded the stack, but get this error on openstack:
> 
> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
> such
> object) near "script", char 34

What version of Rev are you running and on which platform? 

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu May  7 00:52:56 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:52:56 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>
	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>
Message-ID: <4A026928.50409@comcast.net>

I have Rev 3.5.0 build 870 running on Mac OS 10.5.6

Thanks Jim,

Marty
> Hi Marty,
>
>   
>> I downloaded the stack, but get this error on openstack:
>>
>> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
>> such
>> object) near "script", char 34
>>     
>
> What version of Rev are you running and on which platform? 
>
> Aloha from Hawaii
>
> Jim Bufalini



From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 01:04:48 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:04:48 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A026928.50409@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>
	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>

Hi Marty,

:-( It's been tested from 2.8.1 to 3.0 on Mac and I've run it on 3.5 on PC
and many others have used this stack and never reported this error. Would
you be so kind as to back up to Rev 3.0 and tell me if you get the same
error? Also, please try downloading again. Otherwise, I'll dig into the
code. 

Other question. Do you have any protected stacks in the projects you are
comparing? If so, they need to be unprotected first.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:53 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Stack updater
> 
> I have Rev 3.5.0 build 870 running on Mac OS 10.5.6
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Marty
> > Hi Marty,
> >
> >
> >> I downloaded the stack, but get this error on openstack:
> >>
> >> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
> >> such
> >> object) near "script", char 34
> >>
> >
> > What version of Rev are you running and on which platform?
> >
> > Aloha from Hawaii
> >
> > Jim Bufalini
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu May  7 02:31:52 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:31:52 -0700
Subject: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
In-Reply-To: <84ADD902-1362-46E7-8FFA-6F83702840C9@mac.com>
References: <84ADD902-1362-46E7-8FFA-6F83702840C9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A028058.9010800@pdslabs.net>

John Patten wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> I'm making a little web browser client that needs to check the 
> contents of a file on a web server. It needs to be able to do this 
> every 5 seconds or so in the background, and then if the contents 
> changes in the last line of the file it is checking, it starts another 
> process in the background. Can this be done in Rev? Would I use two 
> stacks, one as the browser and one with the repeat loop?
>
> I'm at a loss for what this might look like in a script?

Hi John,

Are you familiar with the "send" command? If not, I think you're about 
to be... ;o)


-- prep: since you're looking for a change in data values,
-- you need to store its initial value so you have something
-- to compare to
global gOriginalData


-- and the data check has to be put into motion:
on openCard
   -- store initial value
   put url "http://my.website.com/targetfile.txt" into gOriginalData
   -- put the data check into motion
   send "checkWebFile" to me in 5 secs
end openCard


-- the data check
on checkWebFile
   -- get fresh copy of the data
   put url "http://my.website.com/targetfile.txt" into tCurrData
   if (last line of tCurrData <> last line of gOriginalData) then
      send ("startOtherProcess" && tCurrData) to me in 1 sec
   else -- data hasn't changed, so schedule another check
      send "checkWebFile" to me in 5 secs
   end if
end checkWebFile


-- the other background process
on startOtherProcess pChangedData
   -- do your other stuff here
end startOtherProcess


The "send... in" construct 'disconnects' the calling and called handlers 
from each other, so the calling one can finish executing before the 
called one starts. And by saying "in 5 secs", you insert idle time when 
the UI can be refreshed & interacted with. It keeps the user from being 
locked out of the UI due to continuous running of code you might have if 
you tried using a repeat loop for data checks.

Hopefully this will get you started.

>
> Thanks in Advance!
>
>
> John Patten 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  7 02:35:32 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 01:35:32 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23407237.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C627EB64.1D00D%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> ok, it should be very easy to test this.  Boot Puppy and pick the VESA
> option.  Won't that tell you at least if its down to Xorg?

I DL'ed puppy, but I can't get Rev to run in it - it looks like it's
launching but never does; what do I need to do?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu May  7 03:37:05 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:37:05 +0300
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C627EB64.1D00D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C627EB64.1D00D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4A028FA1.80000@ekoinf.net>

Hi, Ken,

same here.. When I did tests of my app on Puppy, it launches the 
splashscreen window and then crashes. Similarly on Slax, it starts and 
then crashes when the dropdown menu is being called. Both these Linuxes 
are based on slackware.

However the recent Ubuntu liveCD also prompts to choose Xorg or Vesa 
option, so you may wish to test it there too.

Viktoras

 
Ken Ray wrote:
>> ok, it should be very easy to test this.  Boot Puppy and pick the VESA
>> option.  Won't that tell you at least if its down to Xorg?
>>     
>
> I DL'ed puppy, but I can't get Rev to run in it - it looks like it's
> launching but never does; what do I need to do?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May  7 03:52:23 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:52:23 +1000
Subject: On-Rev links
Message-ID: <f99b52860905070052i2e650289y93f3e57dda2a3e1e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am collecting a page of links to On-Rev sites, so we can all see
what other people are doing and get ideas.
I have listed any pages I could find that have been announced here or
on the on-rev forum.
Here is a link to the page: <http://troz.on-rev.com/links.irev>

If you would like to add your page to the list, please go to the links
page and fill in the form.

If you want your page removed or editing, just let me know.

Cheers,
Sarah


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May  7 05:18:08 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:18:08 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C627EB64.1D00D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C627EB64.1D00D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <CC2417A8-CB76-44F9-93F8-76FB6409AD20@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Could be a CPU architecture problem? Any info in the logs?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 7 May 2009, at 07:35, Ken Ray wrote:

>> ok, it should be very easy to test this.  Boot Puppy and pick the  
>> VESA
>> option.  Won't that tell you at least if its down to Xorg?
>
> I DL'ed puppy, but I can't get Rev to run in it - it looks like it's
> launching but never does; what do I need to do?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May  7 08:45:59 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:45:59 +0200
Subject: DataGrid: setting dgProps["column widths"]
Message-ID: <6FBCE52A-38A5-4C03-B159-D553AE210E53@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Trevor,

using 3.5 gm 2:

 From the docs:
...
column widths
- Allows you to set all column widths at once. Line delimited list of  
integers.
...

A couple of qustions:

1.
I checked the 10,000,000 lines of script of btn "DataGrid" in your  
library :-)
and it looks like this should be a COMMA separated list, right?
Just like:
..
put the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid"
..
-> 120,100,110,50 = COMMA separated list, should be consistent I think.

2.
...
set the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid" to "100,100,100,100"
## Given there are 4 columns in the datagrid
...
But that does not work, the columns do not resize.

3.
...
set the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid" to ("100" & CR &  
"100" & CR & "100" & CR & "100")
## Given there are 4 columns in the datagrid
...
Doesn't work either, but if my assumption 1 is correct, it should at  
least give an error?!

4.
What will (should) happen if we supply too few/many items in the list  
like:
...
set the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid" to "100,100"
## Given there are more or less than 2 columns in the datagrid
...


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu May  7 09:15:00 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:15:00 -0400
Subject: DataGrid: setting dgProps["column widths"]
In-Reply-To: <6FBCE52A-38A5-4C03-B159-D553AE210E53@major.on-rev.com>
References: <6FBCE52A-38A5-4C03-B159-D553AE210E53@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <223CA50C-451C-4D19-990E-EE34A89E06A2@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 7, 2009, at 8:45 AM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:

> From the docs:
> ...
> column widths
> - Allows you to set all column widths at once. Line delimited list  
> of integers.
> ...
>
> A couple of qustions:
>
> 1.
> I checked the 10,000,000 lines of script of btn "DataGrid" in your  
> library :-)
> and it looks like this should be a COMMA separated list, right?
> Just like:
> ..
> put the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid"
> ..
> -> 120,100,110,50 = COMMA separated list, should be consistent I  
> think.

Yes, it should be a comma delimited list of integers.

The issue is with the repeat loop in the dgProp setprop for "column  
widths". Currently it says:

repeat for each item theColumn in the dgProps["columns"] of me

It should read as follows since columns are line delimited:

repeat for each line theColumn in the dgProps["columns"] of me

If you make the change it should start working.

> 4.
> What will (should) happen if we supply too few/many items in the  
> list like:
> ...
> set the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid" to "100,100"
> ## Given there are more or less than 2 columns in the datagrid
> ...

The code loops through the actual columns and assigns the item in the  
list you provide to the width of that column. If you supply to few  
integers then an error will occur. If you supply too many then the  
extras will be ignored.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From bvg at mac.com  Thu May  7 09:34:20 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:20 +0200
Subject: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
In-Reply-To: <84ADD902-1362-46E7-8FFA-6F83702840C9@mac.com>
References: <84ADD902-1362-46E7-8FFA-6F83702840C9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B4A2FC5F-2523-4D98-8818-784299B144AB@mac.com>

I suggest to use the "put" command with the "url" keyword, using a  
"send in time" structure:

on mouseUp
   checkWebsite ""
end mouseUp

on checkWebsite thePrev
   put line -1 of url "http://yoursite.com/yourfile" into theCurrent
   if thePrev <> theCurrent then
     --do your stuff here, it changed!
   end if
   send checkWebsite theCurrent to me in 4.5 seconds
   --slightly less then 5 seconds, assuming the download of the whole  
file takes ca. 0.5 seconds
end checkWebsite


Be aware that clicking the button twice would have your code execute  
twice every 4.5 seconds, so maybe you should check the pendingMessages  
somehwere. The docu on that property also shows on how to stop the  
repeating.

On 7 May 2009, at 05:43, John Patten wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> I'm making a little web browser client that needs to check the  
> contents of a file on a web server. It needs to be able to do this  
> every 5 seconds or so in the background, and then if the contents  
> changes in the last line of the file it is checking, it starts  
> another process in the background. Can this be done in Rev? Would I  
> use two stacks, one as the browser and one with the repeat loop?
>
> I'm at a loss for what this might look like in a script?
>
> Thanks in Advance!
>
>
> John Patten
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May  7 09:36:05 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:36:05 +0200
Subject: DataGrid: setting dgProps["column widths"]
In-Reply-To: <223CA50C-451C-4D19-990E-EE34A89E06A2@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6FBCE52A-38A5-4C03-B159-D553AE210E53@major.on-rev.com>
	<223CA50C-451C-4D19-990E-EE34A89E06A2@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <51978C92-00B9-4D47-8D97-43E742F5F550@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Trevor,

> On May 7, 2009, at 8:45 AM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:
>> From the docs:
>> ...
>> column widths
>> - Allows you to set all column widths at once. Line delimited list  
>> of integers.
>> ...
>> A couple of qustions:
>> 1.
>> I checked the 10,000,000 lines of script of btn "DataGrid" in your  
>> library :-)
>> and it looks like this should be a COMMA separated list, right?
>> Just like:
>> ..
>> put the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid"
>> ..
>> -> 120,100,110,50 = COMMA separated list, should be consistent I  
>> think.
>
> Yes, it should be a comma delimited list of integers.
> The issue is with the repeat loop in the dgProp setprop for "column  
> widths". Currently it says:
> repeat for each item theColumn in the dgProps["columns"] of me
> It should read as follows since columns are line delimited:
> repeat for each line theColumn in the dgProps["columns"] of me
> If you make the change it should start working.

Great, will do, thanks!

2 minutes later:
Done and works, way cooool :-)

>> 4.
>> What will (should) happen if we supply too few/many items in the  
>> list like:
>> ...
>> set the dgProps["column widths"] of grp "DataGrid" to "100,100"
>> ## Given there are more or less than 2 columns in the datagrid
>> ...
>
> The code loops through the actual columns and assigns the item in  
> the list you provide to the width of that column. If you supply to  
> few integers then an error will occur. If you supply too many then  
> the extras will be ignored.

OK, but maybe you could implement the same behavior as in the  
"tabstops" in Rev?
This way the last "column witdh" would be "repeated" if we supply to  
few items?
Know what I mean? That would be very nice :-)

> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu May  7 12:28:17 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:28:17 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>
	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>

I tried it with Rev 3 with the same error. It happens when I first open 
the stack, before I try to use it, so protected stacks aren't an issue. 
I tried opening it directly and as a plugin (didn't know if that would 
make a difference) - same result.

Thanks Jim,

Marty
> Hi Marty,
>
> :-( It's been tested from 2.8.1 to 3.0 on Mac and I've run it on 3.5 on PC
> and many others have used this stack and never reported this error. Would
> you be so kind as to back up to Rev 3.0 and tell me if you get the same
> error? Also, please try downloading again. Otherwise, I'll dig into the
> code. 
>
> Other question. Do you have any protected stacks in the projects you are
> comparing? If so, they need to be unprotected first.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:53 PM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Stack updater
>>
>> I have Rev 3.5.0 build 870 running on Mac OS 10.5.6
>>
>> Thanks Jim,
>>
>> Marty
>>     
>>> Hi Marty,
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I downloaded the stack, but get this error on openstack:
>>>>
>>>> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
>>>> such
>>>> object) near "script", char 34
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> What version of Rev are you running and on which platform?
>>>
>>> Aloha from Hawaii
>>>
>>> Jim Bufalini



From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Thu May  7 12:44:33 2009
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:44:33 -0700
Subject: DataGrid question simple?
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001a74a8009867af001a74a8.1a74ae@CreaTECHSol.com>

I have just started a project that is going to use data grids.
I am using a Table and not a Form
This should be a simple answer, but I am struggling.
I have a Data Grid table and I can load the data in just fine.
The table has three columns name as follows
"Field Name", "Field Type" and "Field ID"

The table group name is "Schema"

I have set the Allow Text Editing to off so that when I click on one of
the rows, it hilites, but does not allow editing.

What I want to do, is to display the data from the selected (hilited)
line's three columns in three separate text fields ("tFieldName",
"tFieldType" and "tFieldID")

I have read the documentation about getting data associated with a line so
I am assuming that the code might look like this


put the dgHilitedLines of group "Schema" into theLine
put the dgDataOfLine[theLine] of group "Schema" into theDataA


Now my question is this.
Where does this above code go and what is the handler?


Once I have the data into theDataA, then I can do Put DataA to see what it
looks like and then parse it so that it will go into my fields.

Sorry if this has been answered before, and I know that this is basic, but
it is not clear to me where this code goes.

Stewart




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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 13:01:30 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:01:30 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com> <4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>
	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com> <4A026928.50409@comcast.net>
	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com> <4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried CCP with a G5, Leopard 10 5 6,  rev 3.5 rc-2, GLX2  used as a
plugin ... seemed to work fine for me. More than just fine.... wonderful...
works great. Bravo to the late Eric; the guy could really code responsibly
and creatively.
 The two stacks were identical and it reported that fact. I will try on my
intel.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>

> I tried it with Rev 3 with the same error. It happens when I first open the
> stack, before I try to use it, so protected stacks aren't an issue. I tried
> opening it directly and as a plugin (didn't know if that would make a
> difference) - same result.
>
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> Marty
>
>> Hi Marty,
>>
>> :-( It's been tested from 2.8.1 to 3.0 on Mac and I've run it on 3.5 on PC
>> and many others have used this stack and never reported this error. Would
>> you be so kind as to back up to Rev 3.0 and tell me if you get the same
>> error? Also, please try downloading again. Otherwise, I'll dig into the
>> code.
>> Other question. Do you have any protected stacks in the projects you are
>> comparing? If so, they need to be unprotected first.
>>
>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>
>> Jim Bufalini
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:53 PM
>>> To: How to use Revolution
>>> Subject: Re: Stack updater
>>>
>>> I have Rev 3.5.0 build 870 running on Mac OS 10.5.6
>>>
>>> Thanks Jim,
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Marty,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I downloaded the stack, but get this error on openstack:
>>>>>
>>>>> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
>>>>> such
>>>>> object) near "script", char 34
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What version of Rev are you running and on which platform?
>>>>
>>>> Aloha from Hawaii
>>>>
>>>> Jim Bufalini
>>>>
>>>
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu May  7 13:13:14 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:13:14 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>
	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>
	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>
	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>
	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>

I'm on an Intel iMac if that could possibly make a difference.

Eric was an amazing guy. Not only did he create great software, but his 
code was even beautiful to look at!


Marty
> I just tried CCP with a G5, Leopard 10 5 6,  rev 3.5 rc-2, GLX2  used as a
> plugin ... seemed to work fine for me. More than just fine.... wonderful...
> works great. Bravo to the late Eric; the guy could really code responsibly
> and creatively.
>  The two stacks were identical and it reported that fact. I will try on my
> intel.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  7 13:18:09 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:18:09 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <CC2417A8-CB76-44F9-93F8-76FB6409AD20@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6288201.1D03E%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> Could be a CPU architecture problem? Any info in the logs?

Which logs are you talking about - where would I look?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From mcdomi at free.fr  Thu May  7 13:21:30 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:21:30 +0200
Subject: On-Rev links
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905070052i2e650289y93f3e57dda2a3e1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1izd1fq.vk7fgglx1bd8M%mcdomi@free.fr>

Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am collecting a page of links to On-Rev sites, so we can all see
> what other people are doing and get ideas.

Thanks, Sarah!

By the way, I took the plunge, and made a folly, to try a founder on-rev
hosting ;-)

I noted, though, that the mail hosting was less than satisfactory 
-- but I am not sure whether it's on-rev's fault, or Orange's fault!
(I live in France, and Orange ex-France Telecom is my ISP)

I suspect that Orange doesn't permit to use an "external" smtp,
though I had somme success with Apple's MobileMe server...



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  7 13:23:58 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:23:58 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <CC2417A8-CB76-44F9-93F8-76FB6409AD20@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C628835E.1D040%kray@sonsothunder.com>

OK, I was able to test under Mandriva Live One 2009 running KDE 4.04, and
the performance was a little better, but still *very* slow.

For example, in Stykz you can click on a "node" (or handle) to one of the
segments of a stick figure to pivot it around the point on the other side of
the segment. If I mouseDown on the node, and then drag upwards, Windows and
OS X follow immediately. Under Ubuntu 8.04 it took a good 5 seconds before
the line segment started moving; Mandriva took about 3 seconds. But that is
still way too slow for any user to use, and other than the redrawing of the
line, everything else was done in code with no additional display elements
or anything else going on.

I'm going to try and get a higher end machine to test on and see how much
the hardward mitigates the problem, and I'll report back.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 14:00:40 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:00:40 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>

Hi Marty,

Yes, Eric was an amazing man and a good friend. I miss him dearly.

As to Changed Code Picker, I didn't understand. I thought the issue was on a compare. It shouldn't break on launch under any version of Rev > 2.8.1 and on any platform. 

I was thinking I hadn't tested it with 3.5 specific features such as the Data Grid and Behaviors and maybe this was the cause. But this can't be your issue.

There is nothing protected in this program, so throw a breakpoint in and see if you can figure out what's conflicting on your machine. I can tell you it's not GLX2 because it is GLX2 compatible.

Also, as to your original question of how to compare two stacks with the same name, you can see what Eric did, which was basically to open them one at a time and clone the two versions of the stacks to a new name in memory only using "#1" and "#2" and then compare the clones. 

This is why Changed Code Picker doesn't affect the actual disk versions of your stacks and is safe to use. It is also why it then allows the opening of the actual stack (a third copy of the same stack which is under its original name) for editing in your editor.

You are welcome to study the code and use portions of it in your project or make a modified version of it for your own purposes. However, please don't just copy the program with a couple of changes and put it out as your own. ;-)

I, in fact, had to modify it myself for use with ListMagic because ironically it can't handle original stacks with a #1 or #2 in their name and Eric's own ListMagic names the ListMagic libs in a project with just such a name (he was also very consistent, LOL). ;-)

I am planning to update it when I get a chance to handle stacks with # in the name and to skip protected libs instead of stopping, if it finds one, and any changes that may be necessary for 3.5 specific features.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:13 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Stack updater
> 
> I'm on an Intel iMac if that could possibly make a difference.
> 
> Eric was an amazing guy. Not only did he create great software, but his
> code was even beautiful to look at!
> 
> 
> Marty
> > I just tried CCP with a G5, Leopard 10 5 6,  rev 3.5 rc-2, GLX2  used
> as a
> > plugin ... seemed to work fine for me. More than just fine....
> wonderful...
> > works great. Bravo to the late Eric; the guy could really code
> responsibly
> > and creatively.
> >  The two stacks were identical and it reported that fact. I will try
> on my
> > intel.
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://barncard.com
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 14:01:41 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:01:41 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>
	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com> <4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>
	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com> <4A026928.50409@comcast.net>
	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com> <4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>
	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071101r2571246u2ad67a260170c570@mail.gmail.com>

No, it doesn't make a difference. Works fine on my Macbook Pro, too.
Must be something else.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>

> I'm on an Intel iMac if that could possibly make a difference.
>
> Eric was an amazing guy. Not only did he create great software, but his
> code was even beautiful to look at!
>
>
>


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 14:22:11 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:22:11 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
Message-ID: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>

All of a sudden the "answer as sheet" is drawing the sheet on the wrong
stack.  Anyone have any idea on how to fix this?

I tried setting the defaultStack and that didn't work.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu May  7 14:26:12 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:26:12 -0400
Subject: DataGrid question simple?
Message-ID: <0364DAEE-80E0-4C54-939C-6782DE3DCD2A@wehostmacs.com>

I included this type of code in the group script of the data grid  
object (group "Schema" in your case)

on mouseUp
   local theLine
   local theDataA

   put the dgHilitedLines of group "Schema" into theLine
   put the dgDataOfLine[theLine] of group "Schema" into theDataA

   put theDataA["Field Name"] into field "tFieldName"
   put theDataA["Field Type"] into field "tFieldType"
   put theDataA["Field ID"]   into field "tFieldID"
end mouseUp


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 14:28:03 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:28:03 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071101r2571246u2ad67a260170c570@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>
	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>
	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>
	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>
	<e5e009d70905071101r2571246u2ad67a260170c570@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c9cf41$8f381150$ada833f0$@com>

Thanks for the testing, Stephen. :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of stephen barncard
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:02 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Stack updater
> 
> No, it doesn't make a difference. Works fine on my Macbook Pro, too.
> Must be something else.
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>
> 
> > I'm on an Intel iMac if that could possibly make a difference.
> >
> > Eric was an amazing guy. Not only did he create great software, but
> his
> > code was even beautiful to look at!
> >
> >
> >
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu May  7 14:28:57 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:28:57 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>
	<001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>
Message-ID: <4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>

Jim,

Here's the offending line:

"put the effective textfont of fld "script" of stack 
"revNewScriptEditor" into tFont"

and the error it's throwing:

stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no such object) near "script", char 34

I commented this line (and line 141- effecting the font size) and it 
seems to work fine. I'm just using the default script editor, not GLX.


Marty


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 14:38:57 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:38:57 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net> <4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>
	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com> <4A026928.50409@comcast.net>
	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com> <4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>
	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net> <001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>
	<4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071138n5189fcf1ybcce053b8d9ad326@mail.gmail.com>

Yes and on my Macbook Pro, I <did> notice that the font was a strange serif
type, about 9 point... kinda small.  The IDE says the text is "Using Owner's
Font" but clearly this is not the default font and size of Rev. Hope this is
a clue.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>

> Jim,
>
> Here's the offending line:
>
> "put the effective textfont of fld "script" of stack "revNewScriptEditor"
> into tFont"
>
> and the error it's throwing:
>
> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no such
> object) near "script", char 34
>
> I commented this line (and line 141- effecting the font size) and it seems
> to work fine. I'm just using the default script editor, not GLX.
>
>
> Marty
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 14:41:50 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:41:50 -1000
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
Message-ID: <001801c9cf43$7c43b3e0$74cb1ba0$@com>

Hey Scott,

GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)


Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 14:45:53 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:45:53 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071145wf88818awbedbf27341de0079@mail.gmail.com>

try

sheet stack [in parentStack]

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <
userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>

> All of a sudden the "answer as sheet" is drawing the sheet on the wrong
> stack.  Anyone have any idea on how to fix this?
>
> I tried setting the defaultStack and that didn't work.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 14:57:10 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:57:10 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, I'm thinking of how I sheet my custom answer dialogs. Perhaps you
could set the defaultstack first before calling answer...

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <
userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>

> All of a sudden the "answer as sheet" is drawing the sheet on the wrong
> stack.  Anyone have any idea on how to fix this?
>
> I tried setting the defaultStack and that didn't work.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 14:59:17 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:59:17 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>

I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried setting the
defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 15:03:51 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:03:51 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071145wf88818awbedbf27341de0079@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071145wf88818awbedbf27341de0079@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A033097.3000903@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I tried the following tests (one at a time of course) and they all
produced the same result...


-- Test 1
answer "testing" with "OK" as sheet

-- Test 2
set the defaultStack to "jcSetup"
answer "testing" with "OK" as sheet

-- Test 3
set the defaultStack to "jcSetup"
answer "testing" with "OK" as sheet in parentStack


I did try one other option...


-- Test 4
topLevel "jcSetup"
answer "testing" with "OK" as sheet


Test #4 worked, but it caused the main stack's handler to begin running
again, which is not what I want to happen.  Any other ideas would be
appreciated.

I did run through all of my backups for the last 2 days, and it appears
this issue has been around for a while, I just didn't notice it yet.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


stephen barncard wrote:
> try
> 
> sheet stack [in parentStack]
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 15:05:52 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:05:52 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Stephen,

The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night so
I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.

This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
of what code I changed that could cause this.

This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


stephen barncard wrote:
> I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried setting the
> defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu May  7 15:09:48 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:09:48 +0200
Subject: On-Rev links
In-Reply-To: <1izd1fq.vk7fgglx1bd8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1izd1fq.vk7fgglx1bd8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <211F6FCE-E739-4F1C-8D50-321D91089986@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 7 mai 09 ? 19:21, Dom a ?crit :

> Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am collecting a page of links to On-Rev sites, so we can all see
>> what other people are doing and get ideas.
>
> Thanks, Sarah!
>
> By the way, I took the plunge, and made a folly, to try a founder on- 
> rev
> hosting ;-)
>
> I noted, though, that the mail hosting was less than satisfactory
> -- but I am not sure whether it's on-rev's fault, or Orange's fault!
> (I live in France, and Orange ex-France Telecom is my ISP)
>
Then you should use smtp-msa.orange.fr with password identification  
enabled.

HTH

Fran?ois


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 15:24:14 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:24:14 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071224v7d3e36adv9c4cdad130775591@mail.gmail.com>

yes and this has and still works with my just finished project, with stock
answer and ask dialogs. Curious, I made two test stacks with ask and answer
used in handlers in buttons. I also tried it with a substack.
Everything worked as expected. Sheets aren't totally modal, one can navigate
to another stack while the dialog sits there on the first stack, but then
the dialog goes away if one clicks anywhere else, as expected.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <
userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>

> Stephen,
>
> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night so
> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
>
> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
> of what code I changed that could cause this.
>
> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
>
> stephen barncard wrote:
> > I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried setting
> the
> > defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://barncard.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May  7 15:28:32 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:28:32 -0700
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <001801c9cf43$7c43b3e0$74cb1ba0$@com>
Message-ID: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)

Thanks -- hope you found something of use in there.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu May  7 15:30:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:30:47 +0300
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>

At the risk of over-simplifying things, getting them wrong, and missing 
the point:

I just ran up a stack "QUESTION.rev" (and its now on revOnline under 
'Richmond');

it has 2 substacks; one is a 'normal' substack, and one is set up as an 
answer dialogue.

The answer dialogue substack pops up as a sheet from whichever stack it 
is called.

Probably wrong, but Please spare two minutes to give it a try.

Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night so
> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
>
> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
> of what code I changed that could cause this.
>
> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
>
> stephen barncard wrote:
>   
>> I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried setting the
>> defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://barncard.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 16:03:24 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:03:24 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>	<001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>
	<4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c9cf4e$e1b31b20$a5195160$@com>

Hi Marty,

Ahh... OK, well that explains everything! ;-) revTemplateScriptEditor is a rev stack and only seems to exist in Rev 3.0. Prior there was a revTemplateScriptEditor. Neither exist in 3.5. The intention here is to set to the font that the user prefers for editing.

So, this raised the question of why I and others are not getting the error and you are. ;-)

Please click on the Preferences button on the bottom right of Changed Code Picker and under font, select Other and set your preferred font and size. When this is set, it skips over the lines of code that you commented out and uses your preference instead. As you can guess, I had my font and size set in Preferences. ;-) 

Also, Stephan was not seeing the issue because, if you use GLX2 (which he uses and I do too) it uses the GLX2 preference and again skips over the lines of code you commented out. ;-) 

If you don't have this preference set to Other and don't use GLX2, it attempts to use the rev editor preference and this stack name has changed over different versions. So just override all of this by implicitly setting the font and size.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:29 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Stack updater
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Here's the offending line:
> 
> "put the effective textfont of fld "script" of stack
> "revNewScriptEditor" into tFont"
> 
> and the error it's throwing:
> 
> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
> such object) near "script", char 34
> 
> I commented this line (and line 141- effecting the font size) and it
> seems to work fine. I'm just using the default script editor, not GLX.
> 
> 
> Marty
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu May  7 16:07:24 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:07:24 -0700
Subject: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905060815p730b33e9sa37e62f45bd5cfb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10905060815p730b33e9sa37e62f45bd5cfb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8AA0E49F-476C-4BD3-B719-46E0ADB7CAF0@yahoo.com>

Sounds interesting, Andre
but when I go to RevOnline and SoapDog user name, I don't see the stack.
Is there another user name to try?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On May 6, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Folks,
> I've built sometime ago a little toy called RevTwitter. It has a  
> simple
> twitter library for posting, searching and getting timelines.
>
> I've built a minimal client too so you can play with it. After  
> loading,
> remember to fill your login details by clicking the preferences  
> button.
>
> It is a fun toy but the best part is the library which has some real  
> nice
> functions.
>
> It's on RevOnline, have fun.


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 16:11:14 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:11:14 -1000
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>	<001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>
	<4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002001c9cf4f$f9955810$ecc00830$@com>

Obviously I meant to say " revNewScriptEditor" is a rev stack... ;-)

Hi Marty,

Ahh... OK, well that explains everything! ;-) revTemplateScriptEditor is a rev stack and only seems to exist in Rev 3.0. Prior there was a revTemplateScriptEditor. Neither exist in 3.5. The intention here is to set to the font that the user prefers for editing.

So, this raised the question of why I and others are not getting the error and you are. ;-)

Please click on the Preferences button on the bottom right of Changed Code Picker and under font, select Other and set your preferred font and size. When this is set, it skips over the lines of code that you commented out and uses your preference instead. As you can guess, I had my font and size set in Preferences. ;-) 

Also, Stephan was not seeing the issue because, if you use GLX2 (which he uses and I do too) it uses the GLX2 preference and again skips over the lines of code you commented out. ;-) 

If you don't have this preference set to Other and don't use GLX2, it attempts to use the rev editor preference and this stack name has changed over different versions. So just override all of this by implicitly setting the font and size.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty Knapp
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:29 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Stack updater
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Here's the offending line:
> 
> "put the effective textfont of fld "script" of stack
> "revNewScriptEditor" into tFont"
> 
> and the error it's throwing:
> 
> stack "Changed Code Picker": execution error at line 140 (Chunk: no
> such object) near "script", char 34
> 
> I commented this line (and line 141- effecting the font size) and it
> seems to work fine. I'm just using the default script editor, not GLX.
> 
> 
> Marty
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu May  7 16:25:01 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:25:01 -0700
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A03439D.5080404@pdslabs.net>

Scott, your examples combine visual realism and "surprise" digital 
capabilities in ways that make me sit here and laugh out loud as I 
interact with them! Beautifully done - as always.

Phil Davis


Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>   
>> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)
>>     
>
> Thanks -- hope you found something of use in there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>   

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 16:26:12 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:26:12 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I'm trying to get your stack to appear on RevOnline, but I can't seem to
find it, or you.  Since they changed it, I can't seem to find anything.
 What do I need to do to get to the stack?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> At the risk of over-simplifying things, getting them wrong, and missing
> the point:
> 
> I just ran up a stack "QUESTION.rev" (and its now on revOnline under
> 'Richmond');
> 
> it has 2 substacks; one is a 'normal' substack, and one is set up as an
> answer dialogue.
> 
> The answer dialogue substack pops up as a sheet from whichever stack it
> is called.
> 
> Probably wrong, but Please spare two minutes to give it a try.
> 
> Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>> Stephen,
>>
>> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night so
>> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
>>
>> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
>> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
>> of what code I changed that could cause this.
>>
>> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________
>> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>>
>>
>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>  
>>> I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried
>>> setting the
>>> defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco
>>> http://barncard.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>     
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May  7 16:29:04 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:29:04 EDT
Subject: Rev 3.5.0-gm-2
Message-ID: <d64.3ad94414.37349e90@aol.com>

Sure does. I never heard that this fix was reported. Thanks loads.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 5/6/09 6:43:34 PM, shaosean at wehostmacs.com writes:


> Quit Rev
> Delete your preference file
> Restart Rev
> See if that works for you.. I used to have the same issue but seems?
> to be working correctly now.
> 




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From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 16:30:21 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:30:21 -1000
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <002101c9cf52$a50bc650$ef2352f0$@com>

Hi Derek,

Try :

topLevel stack "jcSetup"
answer "This should work" with "OK" as sheet

Or, are you calling answer from a modal window? 

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:06 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night
> so
> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
> 
> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
> of what code I changed that could cause this.
> 
> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> 
> 
> stephen barncard wrote:
> > I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried
> setting the
> > defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco
> > http://barncard.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu May  7 16:55:53 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:55:53 +0300
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A034AD9.6010907@ekoinf.net>

Thanks Scot,

extremely useful information and well done!

Best regards
Viktoras

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>   
>> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)
>>     
>
> Thanks -- hope you found something of use in there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu May  7 16:56:06 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:56:06 +0300
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6288470.415B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A034AE6.8010909@ekoinf.net>

Thanks Scott,

extremely useful information and well done!

Best regards
Viktoras

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>   
>> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)
>>     
>
> Thanks -- hope you found something of use in there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 16:58:48 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:58:48 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com> <4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>

RevOnline is really pretty now, but still hard to find stuff. No 'by author'
search. I searched for QUESTION.rev and got 'Times Table Tester" a a result.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <
userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>

> I'm trying to get your stack to appear on RevOnline, but I can't seem to
> find it, or you.  Since they changed it, I can't seem to find anything.
>  What do I need to do to get to the stack?
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> > At the risk of over-simplifying things, getting them wrong, and missing
> > the point:
> >
> > I just ran up a stack "QUESTION.rev" (and its now on revOnline under
> > 'Richmond');
> >
> > it has 2 substacks; one is a 'normal' substack, and one is set up as an
> > answer dialogue.
> >
> > The answer dialogue substack pops up as a sheet from whichever stack it
> > is called.
> >
> > Probably wrong, but Please spare two minutes to give it a try.
> >
> > Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> >> Stephen,
> >>
> >> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night so
> >> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
> >>
> >> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
> >> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
> >> of what code I changed that could cause this.
> >>
> >> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
> >>
> >>
> >> Derek Bump
> >> Dreamscape Software
> >> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> >>
> >> ___________________________________________________________________
> >> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> >> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> >>
> >>
> >> stephen barncard wrote:
> >>
> >>> I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried
> >>> setting the
> >>> defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------
> >>> Stephen Barncard
> >>> San Francisco
> >>> http://barncard.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May  7 17:12:59 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C628835E.1D040%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
	<edcc7e6b0905060207u1dd0d12xf665549b8fac70af@mail.gmail.com>
	<23407237.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C627EB64.1D00D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<CC2417A8-CB76-44F9-93F8-76FB6409AD20@anachreon.co.uk>
	<C628835E.1D040%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <23435406.post@talk.nabble.com>


Ken

Its very strange.  I have now tried both Puppy and Slax.  One of my own apps
which has a splash and then the stack proper starts up and works fine in
Puppy in Vesa.  In fact its very fast indeed.  The color scheme and theme is
a little garish and the fonts don't fit quite perfectly, but it works.

It will not start at all in Slax.  Nothing else seems to want to start
either in Slax or Puppy.  The IDE when started as the 'open with' app, asks
for the registration code again.  I didn't have this in the live CD so will
have to write it down on paper and then reenter it.  Hope that doesn't screw
anything up.   I think it would not start at all as an executable in either
Slax or Puppy.  My stuff is very very simple.  Maybe the other apps have
some commands or functions that are blowing up?

It is going to take more systematic work and noting down carefully what is
done and what happens.  More later.

Peter

Peter
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu May  7 17:22:34 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:22:34 +0000
Subject: Re-2: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline
Message-ID: <00036462.4A036D38@the-office.us>

Hi Jim,

under Revonline (Rev 3.5) search for andre garzia or revtwitter .

Regards,

Matthias



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline (07-Mai-2009 22:12)
From:    Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Sounds interesting, Andre
> but when I go to RevOnline and SoapDog user name, I don't see the stack.
> Is there another user name to try?
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> On May 6, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> > I've built sometime ago a little toy called RevTwitter. It has a  
> > simple
> > twitter library for posting, searching and getting timelines.
> >
> > I've built a minimal client too so you can play with it. After  
> > loading,
> > remember to fill your login details by clicking the preferences  
> > button.
> >
> > It is a fun toy but the best part is the library which has some real  
> > nice
> > functions.
> >
> > It's on RevOnline, have fun.
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Thu May  7 17:33:44 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:33:44 -0400
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <4A034AE6.8010909@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <C628CBF8.4C3%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Add my praise to this chorus. I can't believe some of the things you've down
with Revolution. Amazing. Thanks.

-Stephen Cox


On 5/7/09 4:56 PM, "viktoras d." <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:

> Thanks Scott,
> 
> extremely useful information and well done!
> 
> Best regards
> Viktoras
> 
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)
>>>     
>> 
>> Thanks -- hope you found something of use in there.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>>   
> 
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu May  7 17:33:50 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:33:50 -0700
Subject: Re-2: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <00036462.4A036D38@the-office.us>
References: <00036462.4A036D38@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <29AEEF54-64BD-4442-BFE3-F8E8182383BA@yahoo.com>

Ah, since I am using Rev 2.9
I don't get to see the same RevOnline library.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On May 7, 2009, at 2:22 PM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> under Revonline (Rev 3.5) search for andre garzia or revtwitter .
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>




From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May  7 17:37:37 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:37:37 EDT
Subject: Something wrong with revOnLine?
Message-ID: <d39.4a932980.3734aea1@aol.com>

I cannot upload a stack, though I have before. Just me?

Craig Newman


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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu May  7 17:44:24 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:44:24 -0700
Subject: Stack updater
In-Reply-To: <002001c9cf4f$f9955810$ecc00830$@com>
References: <4A02387E.5030501@comcast.net>	<005301c9cebf$0ff8f8a0$2feae9e0$@com>	<4A024FEC.9060507@comcast.net>	<006501c9cecf$3cd00e30$b6702a90$@com>	<4A026928.50409@comcast.net>	<006601c9ced1$58e948a0$0abbd9e0$@com>	<4A030C21.40907@comcast.net>	<e5e009d70905071001u73c62d1lcf65adbdcc30b0ad@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0316AA.2090002@comcast.net>	<001601c9cf3d$bc08d560$341a8020$@com>	<4A032869.5040003@comcast.net>
	<002001c9cf4f$f9955810$ecc00830$@com>
Message-ID: <4A035638.5070405@comcast.net>

Thanks Jim - will do.
> Obviously I meant to say " revNewScriptEditor" is a rev stack... ;-)
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Ahh... OK, well that explains everything! ;-) revTemplateScriptEditor is a rev stack and only seems to exist in Rev 3.0. Prior there was a revTemplateScriptEditor. Neither exist in 3.5. The intention here is to set to the font that the user prefers for editing.
>
> So, this raised the question of why I and others are not getting the error and you are. ;-)
>   
Just a special talent that I possess!


Marty Knapp


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May  7 17:51:34 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:51:34 -0700
Subject: Re-2: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <29AEEF54-64BD-4442-BFE3-F8E8182383BA@yahoo.com>
References: <00036462.4A036D38@the-office.us>
	<29AEEF54-64BD-4442-BFE3-F8E8182383BA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1381468633640.20090507145134@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Thursday, May 7, 2009, 2:33:50 PM, you wrote:

> Ah, since I am using Rev 2.9
> I don't get to see the same RevOnline library.

You should definitely think about upgrading then. The new revOnline
doesn't have the old revOnline contents, and there's no way to move
stacks from the old to the new, and you lose the ability to select
stacks by user, but now you get pictures.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu May  7 18:02:58 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:58 -0700
Subject: Something wrong with revOnLine?
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C1C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by DunbarX at aol.com on Thu May 7, 2009 - 4:37 PM CDT

>I cannot upload a stack, though I have before. Just me?

Craig... since the new RevOnline (and this weeks patch), I can't even
login to it.

Mark Stuart
Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 18:42:24 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:42:24 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <002101c9cf52$a50bc650$ef2352f0$@com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<002101c9cf52$a50bc650$ef2352f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A0363D0.6030109@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Hello Jim,

Yes, I tried that as well, but I'm calling the answer from a modal
window, so that didn't work.  I've resorted to removing the "as sheet"
from the syntax and the answer box is at least showing up in front of
the parent stack (and with the focus as well).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hi Derek,
> 
> Try :
> 
> topLevel stack "jcSetup"
> answer "This should work" with "OK" as sheet
> 
> Or, are you calling answer from a modal window? 
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:06 AM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
>>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night
>> so
>> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
>>
>> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
>> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
>> of what code I changed that could cause this.
>>
>> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________
>> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>>
>>
>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>> I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried
>> setting the
>>> defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco
>>> http://barncard.com
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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 18:43:18 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:43:18 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A036406.30205@dreamscapesoftware.com>

LOL... my search for the same thing returned nothing at all.  RevOnline
does look a lot better now, but still needs a lot of improvement.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


stephen barncard wrote:
> RevOnline is really pretty now, but still hard to find stuff. No 'by author'
> search. I searched for QUESTION.rev and got 'Times Table Tester" a a result.
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software <
> userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>
> 
>> I'm trying to get your stack to appear on RevOnline, but I can't seem to
>> find it, or you.  Since they changed it, I can't seem to find anything.
>>  What do I need to do to get to the stack?
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________
>> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>>
>>
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>> At the risk of over-simplifying things, getting them wrong, and missing
>>> the point:
>>>
>>> I just ran up a stack "QUESTION.rev" (and its now on revOnline under
>>> 'Richmond');
>>>
>>> it has 2 substacks; one is a 'normal' substack, and one is set up as an
>>> answer dialogue.
>>>
>>> The answer dialogue substack pops up as a sheet from whichever stack it
>>> is called.
>>>
>>> Probably wrong, but Please spare two minutes to give it a try.
>>>
>>> Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>>>> Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> The error occured, and then I remembered the update posted last night so
>>>> I tried updating.  Same thing on both versions.
>>>>
>>>> This is driving me crazy because I could have sworn that it worked this
>>>> morning with no problems at all.  I'm racking my brains trying to think
>>>> of what code I changed that could cause this.
>>>>
>>>> This is frustrating, and so close to the target launch date to!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Derek Bump
>>>> Dreamscape Software
>>>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>>>
>>>> ___________________________________________________________________
>>>> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
>>>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I reread your first post. I didn't see that you'd already tried
>>>>> setting the
>>>>> defaultstack. Are you using the latest version of Rev (rc-2) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>> Stephen Barncard
>>>>> San Francisco
>>>>> http://barncard.com
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May  7 18:59:44 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:59:44 -1000
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A0363D0.6030109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<002101c9cf52$a50bc650$ef2352f0$@com>
	<4A0363D0.6030109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <003101c9cf67$83d1b6b0$8b752410$@com>

Hi Derek,

> Yes, I tried that as well, but I'm calling the answer from a modal
> window, so that didn't work.  

I may be wrong, but I think this is the real issue. Maybe somebody else can chime in, but I think there are certain parent loc values that are ignored when calling a modal (answer) or a sheet from a modal window or other sheet. I honestly don't remember, but there is some kind of issue with this.

> I've resorted to removing the "as sheet"
> from the syntax and the answer box is at least showing up in front of
> the parent stack (and with the focus as well).

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 19:25:58 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:25:58 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <003101c9cf67$83d1b6b0$8b752410$@com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<002101c9cf52$a50bc650$ef2352f0$@com>
	<4A0363D0.6030109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<003101c9cf67$83d1b6b0$8b752410$@com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071625k5336e885le9603fc3580c289c@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa, I didn't know you were calling from a modal window. Modals are
supposed to be... well.. modal and as such don't really attach to any stack.
  I put  together a custom answer or ask dialog and used the 'sheet stack'
command. That should work, but it didn't; the custom sheeted stack didn't
work when called from the host stack as modal, it ended up in space
somewhere, and the close button I had carefully placed in the substack
didn't work either and I had to quit rev (but not forced).
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Jim Bufalini <jim at visitrieve.com>

> Hi Derek,
>
> > Yes, I tried that as well, but I'm calling the answer from a modal
> > window, so that didn't work.
>
>
>
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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  7 19:36:27 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:27 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071625k5336e885le9603fc3580c289c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<002101c9cf52$a50bc650$ef2352f0$@com>	<4A0363D0.6030109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<003101c9cf67$83d1b6b0$8b752410$@com>
	<e5e009d70905071625k5336e885le9603fc3580c289c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A03707B.50808@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Thank you Stephen!

I took what you said and did a test.  I created a stack with 1
sub-stack.  In the substack I created a button that answers "Hello
World" as a sheet.  In the mainstack I created a button that modals the
substack.

The result is that the sheet appears behind the modal stack's very own
window... thus answering why it wasn't working (or why it is working,
just not the way I want it to).

Thank you to everyone for helping me get this figured out.  I appreciate
it very much.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


stephen barncard wrote:
> Whoa, I didn't know you were calling from a modal window. Modals are
> supposed to be... well.. modal and as such don't really attach to any stack.
>   I put  together a custom answer or ask dialog and used the 'sheet stack'
> command. That should work, but it didn't; the custom sheeted stack didn't
> work when called from the host stack as modal, it ended up in space
> somewhere, and the close button I had carefully placed in the substack
> didn't work either and I had to quit rev (but not forced).
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Jim Bufalini <jim at visitrieve.com>
> 
>> Hi Derek,
>>
>>> Yes, I tried that as well, but I'm calling the answer from a modal
>>> window, so that didn't work.
>>
>>
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu May  7 19:56:25 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:56:25 -0700
Subject: Re-2: [ANN] RevTwitter on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <1381468633640.20090507145134@ahsoftware.net>
References: <00036462.4A036D38@the-office.us>
	<29AEEF54-64BD-4442-BFE3-F8E8182383BA@yahoo.com>
	<1381468633640.20090507145134@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <EE2F175B-314E-497B-90AE-9312F5BC99B9@yahoo.com>

On May 7, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jim-
> Thursday, May 7, 2009, 2:33:50 PM, you wrote:
>> Ah, since I am using Rev 2.9
>> I don't get to see the same RevOnline library.
>
> You should definitely think about upgrading then.

My plan is to do this in the next few weeks.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May  7 20:15:18 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:15:18 -0700
Subject: Kiosk App In Rev?
Message-ID: <C628C7A6.415E2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I'm wondering if anyone has built a kiosk-style app in Rev that works with
other apps on the system.  I've been messing around with backdrops and
trying to figure out if it's possible to keep non-Rev apps in front of the
backdrop (ie Word, etc).  The mouse-Down/Up-InBackdrop message appears to be
broken on Windows (or rather, I'm not getting this message when clicking on
the backdrop window) so I'm not sure how one goes about making sure the
backdrop stays in the background.

Seems like it would useful if there was a window property that was the
opposite of the systemWindow and floated *behind* all open applications...

Thanks for any suggestions.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu May  7 20:17:52 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:17:52 -0700
Subject: Kiosk App In Rev?
In-Reply-To: <C628C7A6.415E2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C628C7A6.415E2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905071717n23625285g34d72f0e7fdfff15@mail.gmail.com>

I could be wrong but I think Andre Garzia made an extension for that
purpose.....

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/7 Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>

> I'm wondering if anyone has built a kiosk-style app in Rev that works with
> other apps on the system.  I've been messing around with backdrops and
> trying to figure out if it's possible to keep non-Rev apps in front of the
> backdrop (ie Word, etc).  The mouse-Down/Up-InBackdrop message appears to
> be
> broken on Windows (or rather, I'm not getting this message when clicking on
> the backdrop window) so I'm not sure how one goes about making sure the
> backdrop stays in the background.
>
> Seems like it would useful if there was a window property that was the
> opposite of the systemWindow and floated *behind* all open applications...
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From wow at together.net  Thu May  7 20:38:43 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:38:43 -0400
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A018E48.6050900@together.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>	<4A01809C.5050900@together.net>	<002601c9ce46$83c491a0$8b4db4e0$@com>
	<4A018E48.6050900@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A037F13.1070100@together.net>

Jim, Thierry:

I did my additional testing with this. For whatever reason, the process 
works fine on XP but not Vista. Identical code on both units. One works; 
one doesn't. Any thoughts?

I have a standalone... that opens an initial stack... which in turn 
opens an invisible substack (which remains open). In that substack, the 
preopenstack handler uses "set the externals of this stack to 
revvideograbber.dll". The initial stack (not the standalone... which is 
only the startup engine for this program) contains the main navigation 
menu. The user then navigates from this initial stack to the video 
recording stack, which when it first opens, has a preopenstack handler 
containing "start using" (the invisible stack).

Thanks.
Richard


Richard Miller wrote:
> Thanks Jim and Thierry,
>
> Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so 
> good.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack 
>> from
>> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes 
>> available
>> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
>>
>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>
>> Jim Bufalini
>>
>>  
>>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
>>> to
>>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
>>> "set
>>> the externals" of the standalone?
>>>
>>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
>>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>>>
>>> I've tried:
>>>
>>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
>>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
>>> during runtime;
>>>
>>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
>>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
>>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
>>>
>>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
>>> a
>>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
>>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu May  7 21:05:07 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:05:07 +0900
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <001801c9cf43$7c43b3e0$74cb1ba0$@com>
References: <001801c9cf43$7c43b3e0$74cb1ba0$@com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70905071805u5a60372blb4bccb27801a150@mail.gmail.com>

> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)

I can't find a link to this. Anyone, please?  Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu May  7 21:06:38 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:06:38 +1000
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A037F13.1070100@together.net>
Message-ID: <C629C2BE.43BE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Hi Richard,

I use a loadExternals handler in the preopenstack handler of my app that
looks like this (hmm, now that I look at it I'm not sure if the go stack bit
is necessary) and seems to work reliably (I think this approach was
originally suggested by Trevor).

ON loadExternals
    put the short name of this stack into tStack
    put <<pathToExternals>> into pExternals
    IF there is not a stack "myExternals" THEN
        reset templatestack
        set destroywindow of templatestack to true
        set destroystack of templatestack to true
        set visible of templatestack to false
        set externals of templatestack to pExternals
        create stack "myExternals"
        reset templatestack
    END IF
    go stack "myExternals"
    start using stack "myExternals"
    set the defaultstack to tStack
END loadExternals

HTH,

Terry...


On 8/05/09 10:38 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:

> Jim, Thierry:
> 
> I did my additional testing with this. For whatever reason, the process
> works fine on XP but not Vista. Identical code on both units. One works;
> one doesn't. Any thoughts?
> 
> I have a standalone... that opens an initial stack... which in turn
> opens an invisible substack (which remains open). In that substack, the
> preopenstack handler uses "set the externals of this stack to
> revvideograbber.dll". The initial stack (not the standalone... which is
> only the startup engine for this program) contains the main navigation
> menu. The user then navigates from this initial stack to the video
> recording stack, which when it first opens, has a preopenstack handler
> containing "start using" (the invisible stack).
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Richard Miller wrote:
>> Thanks Jim and Thierry,
>> 
>> Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so
>> good.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> 
>>> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack
>>> from
>>> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes
>>> available
>>> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
>>> 
>>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>> 
>>> Jim Bufalini
>>> 
>>>  
>>>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
>>>> to
>>>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
>>>> "set
>>>> the externals" of the standalone?
>>>> 
>>>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
>>>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>>>> 
>>>> I've tried:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
>>>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
>>>> during runtime;
>>>> 
>>>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
>>>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
>>>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
>>>> a
>>>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
>>>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Richard Miller
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu May  7 21:07:17 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:07:17 +1000
Subject: WOW Scott Rossi!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70905071805u5a60372blb4bccb27801a150@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C629C2E5.43BF%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue70/newsletter3.php?id=NW70S34559


On 8/05/09 11:05 AM, "Nicolas Cueto" <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

>> GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-)
> 
> I can't find a link to this. Anyone, please?  Thanks.
> 
> --
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From wow at together.net  Thu May  7 21:24:11 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:24:11 -0400
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <C629C2BE.43BE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C629C2BE.43BE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4A0389BB.9090101@together.net>

Thanks, Terry. Two questions:

1) Have you tried using this in a stack that is opened by a standalone, 
rather than in the standalone itself?

2) And if so, have you tried this under Vista?

Thanks.
Richard


Terry Judd wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> I use a loadExternals handler in the preopenstack handler of my app that
> looks like this (hmm, now that I look at it I'm not sure if the go stack bit
> is necessary) and seems to work reliably (I think this approach was
> originally suggested by Trevor).
>
> ON loadExternals
>     put the short name of this stack into tStack
>     put <<pathToExternals>> into pExternals
>     IF there is not a stack "myExternals" THEN
>         reset templatestack
>         set destroywindow of templatestack to true
>         set destroystack of templatestack to true
>         set visible of templatestack to false
>         set externals of templatestack to pExternals
>         create stack "myExternals"
>         reset templatestack
>     END IF
>     go stack "myExternals"
>     start using stack "myExternals"
>     set the defaultstack to tStack
> END loadExternals
>
> HTH,
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 8/05/09 10:38 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Jim, Thierry:
>>
>> I did my additional testing with this. For whatever reason, the process
>> works fine on XP but not Vista. Identical code on both units. One works;
>> one doesn't. Any thoughts?
>>
>> I have a standalone... that opens an initial stack... which in turn
>> opens an invisible substack (which remains open). In that substack, the
>> preopenstack handler uses "set the externals of this stack to
>> revvideograbber.dll". The initial stack (not the standalone... which is
>> only the startup engine for this program) contains the main navigation
>> menu. The user then navigates from this initial stack to the video
>> recording stack, which when it first opens, has a preopenstack handler
>> containing "start using" (the invisible stack).
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Richard Miller wrote:
>>     
>>> Thanks Jim and Thierry,
>>>
>>> Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>
>>>> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack
>>>> from
>>>> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes
>>>> available
>>>> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
>>>>
>>>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>>>
>>>> Jim Bufalini
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>         
>>>>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
>>>>> to
>>>>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
>>>>> "set
>>>>> the externals" of the standalone?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
>>>>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
>>>>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
>>>>> during runtime;
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
>>>>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
>>>>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
>>>>> a
>>>>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
>>>>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May  7 21:43:32 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:43:32 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> RevOnline is really pretty now, but still hard to find stuff. No 'by author'
> search. I searched for QUESTION.rev and got 'Times Table Tester" a a result.

You can put the author name into the search box. I just typed in 
"Jacque" and got all my game stacks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu May  7 22:15:16 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:15:16 +1000
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A0389BB.9090101@together.net>
Message-ID: <C629D2D4.43C5%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 8/05/09 11:24 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Terry. Two questions:
> 
> 1) Have you tried using this in a stack that is opened by a standalone,
> rather than in the standalone itself?

Yep/probably/maybe/don't remember. It should work either way.
> 
> 2) And if so, have you tried this under Vista?

Nope, but I hope it works for you.

Terry...
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Terry Judd wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I use a loadExternals handler in the preopenstack handler of my app that
>> looks like this (hmm, now that I look at it I'm not sure if the go stack bit
>> is necessary) and seems to work reliably (I think this approach was
>> originally suggested by Trevor).
>> 
>> ON loadExternals
>>     put the short name of this stack into tStack
>>     put <<pathToExternals>> into pExternals
>>     IF there is not a stack "myExternals" THEN
>>         reset templatestack
>>         set destroywindow of templatestack to true
>>         set destroystack of templatestack to true
>>         set visible of templatestack to false
>>         set externals of templatestack to pExternals
>>         create stack "myExternals"
>>         reset templatestack
>>     END IF
>>     go stack "myExternals"
>>     start using stack "myExternals"
>>     set the defaultstack to tStack
>> END loadExternals
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Terry...
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/05/09 10:38 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Jim, Thierry:
>>> 
>>> I did my additional testing with this. For whatever reason, the process
>>> works fine on XP but not Vista. Identical code on both units. One works;
>>> one doesn't. Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> I have a standalone... that opens an initial stack... which in turn
>>> opens an invisible substack (which remains open). In that substack, the
>>> preopenstack handler uses "set the externals of this stack to
>>> revvideograbber.dll". The initial stack (not the standalone... which is
>>> only the startup engine for this program) contains the main navigation
>>> menu. The user then navigates from this initial stack to the video
>>> recording stack, which when it first opens, has a preopenstack handler
>>> containing "start using" (the invisible stack).
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard Miller wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Thanks Jim and Thierry,
>>>> 
>>>> Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so
>>>> good.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack
>>>>> from
>>>>> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes
>>>>> available
>>>>> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Bufalini
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>         
>>>>>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
>>>>>> "set
>>>>>> the externals" of the standalone?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
>>>>>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've tried:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
>>>>>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
>>>>>> during runtime;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
>>>>>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
>>>>>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
>>>>>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>>>>> subscription preferences:
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu May  7 23:33:02 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:33:02 -0400
Subject: Kiosk App In Rev?
Message-ID: <A4032B1B-0846-42A4-AA2D-8CABABF84553@wehostmacs.com>

Do not know if this still works on the newer Windows versions, but  
you can always make one small change to the source code and recompile  
so that it has the reverse of systemWindow..

replace HWND_TOPMOST with HWND_BOTTOM

http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/downloads/alwaysontop102.zip


From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Thu May  7 23:53:55 2009
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:53:55 -0700
Subject: Data Grid Sorts
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001a76b7009867af001a76b7.1a76b9@CreaTECHSol.com>

I would like to call a subroutine each time someone clicks on a column on
one of my data grid tables.
Where do I find the sorting routines?

Stewart

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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri May  8 00:56:32 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:56:32 -1000
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <4A037F13.1070100@together.net>
References: <7c87a2a10905051506x4000a213o383d007a2ff7883f@mail.gmail.com>	<581297597078.20090505152057@ahsoftware.net>	<001f01c9ce3e$f125cb90$d37162b0$@com>	<4A01809C.5050900@together.net>	<002601c9ce46$83c491a0$8b4db4e0$@com>	<4A018E48.6050900@together.net>
	<4A037F13.1070100@together.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c9cf99$5bad74d0$13085e70$@com>

Hi Richard,

> I did my additional testing with this. For whatever reason, the process
> works fine on XP but not Vista. Identical code on both units. One
> works;
> one doesn't. Any thoughts?

I can tell you the simple process of setting the externals in one stack,
which is then put in use either from itself or by another stack works on all
platforms, including Vista. I have used it on libs for a long time on all
platforms and in standalones and IDE.

I even have a case of an invisible main stack whose sole purpose is to set
the externals to a single, third party DLL (obviously this one is just XP
and Vista) and this stack puts itself in use and is periodically opened and
closed by other stacks, because the only way in Rev to release a DLL, in
Windows memory, is for the stack that has it as an external to close and
itself exit from memory.

> I have a standalone... that opens an initial stack... which in turn
> opens an invisible substack (which remains open). In that substack, the
> preopenstack handler uses "set the externals of this stack to
> revvideograbber.dll". The initial stack (not the standalone... which is
> only the startup engine for this program) contains the main navigation
> menu. The user then navigates from this initial stack to the video
> recording stack, which when it first opens, has a preopenstack handler
> containing "start using" (the invisible stack).

First, it sounds a bit convoluted. ;-) 

Also, you are putting a substack in use? I believe in this case, the "start
using" command of the substack should be in the preOpenStack of the main
stack of the substack. This is exactly what ListMagic does and as everyone
knows it works on all platforms.

When you open a main stack, its substacks are automatically opened. So what
do you mean you open the substack? and "it" remains open? If "it" remains
open, then so must its main stack.

Can I suggest you break out this substack into a main stack. It should have
its externals already set. It should have its preOpenStack set to how I
suggested, where it puts itself in use. Before you need to use its
externals, go invisible to the stack. If you want to close those externals,
just close the stack.

In Rev, the primary differences you run into between XP and Vista have
usually to do with graphics, window and menu levels (as in a window or menu
showing up behind another window in Vista, when on XP it shows up in front)
and, the biggie, user rights and security where access is denied on Vista
and XP doesn't care.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> 
> Thanks.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Richard Miller wrote:
> > Thanks Jim and Thierry,
> >
> > Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far,
> so
> > good.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > Jim Bufalini wrote:
> >> Hi Richard,
> >>
> >> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that
> stack
> >> from
> >> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes
> >> available
> >> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
> >>
> >> Aloha from Hawaii,
> >>
> >> Jim Bufalini
> >>
> >>
> >>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a
> way
> >>> to
> >>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
> >>> "set
> >>> the externals" of the standalone?
> >>>
> >>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks.
> I'd
> >>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
> >>>
> >>> I've tried:
> >>>
> >>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack
> handler in
> >>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't
> work
> >>> during runtime;
> >>>
> >>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
> >>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in
> the
> >>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
> >>>
> >>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work
> on
> >>> a
> >>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals
> folder)
> >>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Richard Miller
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  8 01:34:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:34:54 +0300
Subject: Something wrong with revOnLine?
In-Reply-To: <d39.4a932980.3734aea1@aol.com>
References: <d39.4a932980.3734aea1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A03C47E.1040204@gmail.com>

As I am going "from zero to hero", or, more prosaically. from 2.6.1 to 
4.0 (although I do
own a copy of RevMedia 2.9), I uploaded, entirely successfully, to what 
shows up as
revOnline from 2.6.1.

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> I cannot upload a stack, though I have before. Just me?
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
> **************
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  8 01:38:33 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:38:33 +0300
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>

So, the proable reason no one found my "QUESTION.rev" stack is that nobody
wanted to type a taboo name.  :)

Funny, though, not having a 'by author' search: I suppose the RR folks
WILL put that back for 4.0.

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> stephen barncard wrote:
>> RevOnline is really pretty now, but still hard to find stuff. No 'by 
>> author'
>> search. I searched for QUESTION.rev and got 'Times Table Tester" a a 
>> result.
>
> You can put the author name into the search box. I just typed in 
> "Jacque" and got all my game stacks.
>



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 02:25:07 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 02:25:07 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
Message-ID: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Really two questions:

How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;

If !empty(tUsername)
    // process here
Endif

Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is empty. I
can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching this the
wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?

I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2? But is
there an easier way?

Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can turn
on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance of
checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution?

Thanks

-Stephen Cox






From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 02:35:00 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:35:00 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A8F0717-442C-460F-9398-ADC59D9DD3DC@cox.net>

Stephen,

Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC, just  
use:

if tUsername is empty then ....

if tUsername exists then ...

You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox?

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Really two questions:
>
> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>
> If !empty(tUsername)
>    // process here
> Endif
>
> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is  
> empty. I
> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching  
> this the
> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>
> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?  
> But is
> there an easier way?
>
> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I  
> can turn
> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance  
> of
> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in  
> Revolution?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Stephen Cox



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May  8 02:40:57 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:40:57 +0200
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <3C3DF8AB-7EBC-4C1C-8B79-243CEA0DEE33@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Stephen,


Search the docs for "empty". It will show you things like

put empty into x
set the cProp to empty

So, you will also want to read up on "put" and "set".

There is also a function "variableNames", which will probably be very  
useful to you. Why do you want to check for the existence of a  
variable? I do this very, very rarely and only in really advanced  
projects.


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Best regards,

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http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
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Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 8 mei 2009, at 08:25, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Really two questions:
>
> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>
> If !empty(tUsername)
>    // process here
> Endif
>
> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is  
> empty. I
> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching  
> this the
> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>
> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?  
> But is
> there an easier way?
>
> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I  
> can turn
> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance  
> of
> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in  
> Revolution?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Stephen Cox



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 02:43:07 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 02:43:07 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <4A8F0717-442C-460F-9398-ADC59D9DD3DC@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C6294CBB.514%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Lol. Of course. I knew it would be easy. Thanks.

For the life of me I could not find an example in the docs; the user guild
or online.

The messagebox? I hardly use it. Gets in the way mostly. I've been using it
to look at global variables. I know you can run commands. But if you don't
know the commands, it's no help. Or am I wrong about this?


On 5/8/09 2:35 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Stephen,
> 
> Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC, just
> use:
> 
> if tUsername is empty then ....
> 
> if tUsername exists then ...
> 
> You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox?
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
> 
>> Really two questions:
>> 
>> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>> 
>> If !empty(tUsername)
>>    // process here
>> Endif
>> 
>> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is
>> empty. I
>> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching
>> this the
>> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>> 
>> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?
>> But is
>> there an easier way?
>> 
>> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I
>> can turn
>> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance
>> of
>> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in
>> Revolution?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -Stephen Cox
> 
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri May  8 02:46:10 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 02:46:10 -0400
Subject: Data Grid Sorts
Message-ID: <207A464D-D435-4050-96EF-F84CA0E97EC4@wehostmacs.com>

In the group script of your data grid, just do your sorting in the  
"sortDataGridColumn" message.. See the following link for more  
information..

http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/ 
datagrid/lessons/3780-How-Do-I-Customize-or-Disable-Column-Sorting-


From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 02:47:46 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:47:46 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <4A8F0717-442C-460F-9398-ADC59D9DD3DC@cox.net>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A8F0717-442C-460F-9398-ADC59D9DD3DC@cox.net>
Message-ID: <33E9025E-2309-49A4-A25B-3576CA647C37@cox.net>

Stephen, I should have checked. Check "exists" in the dictionary for  
the rev syntax. Not quite as straightforward or easy as with HC.
Sorry,
Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC,  
> just use:
>
> if tUsername is empty then ....
>
> if tUsername exists then ...
>
> You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox?
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
>
>> Really two questions:
>>
>> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>>
>> If !empty(tUsername)
>>   // process here
>> Endif
>>
>> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is  
>> empty. I
>> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching  
>> this the
>> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>>
>> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?  
>> But is
>> there an easier way?
>>
>> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I  
>> can turn
>> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the  
>> assurance of
>> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in  
>> Revolution?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Stephen Cox



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 02:53:42 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 02:53:42 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <3C3DF8AB-7EBC-4C1C-8B79-243CEA0DEE33@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C6294F36.519%stephen@networkxfla.com>

I did search for "empty" in the Online Dictionary. But all I got were
property keywords. I also read the docs on put and answer and saw nothing
about empty.

Anyway know now, thanks.

As for checking for existence of variables.. Just a habit I formed over
years writing dbase and c. "Always check the existence of a variable before
you take any action on it". The compilers of today are more sophisticated so
I'll probably wean my way off it.


On 5/8/09 2:40 AM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
> 
> 
> Search the docs for "empty". It will show you things like
> 
> put empty into x
> set the cProp to empty
> 
> So, you will also want to read up on "put" and "set".
> 
> There is also a function "variableNames", which will probably be very
> useful to you. Why do you want to check for the existence of a
> variable? I do this very, very rarely and only in really advanced
> projects.
> 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
> 
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 8 mei 2009, at 08:25, Stephen Cox wrote:
> 
>> Really two questions:
>> 
>> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>> 
>> If !empty(tUsername)
>>    // process here
>> Endif
>> 
>> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is
>> empty. I
>> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching
>> this the
>> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>> 
>> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?
>> But is
>> there an easier way?
>> 
>> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I
>> can turn
>> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance
>> of
>> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in
>> Revolution?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -Stephen Cox
> 
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 02:55:46 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 02:55:46 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <33E9025E-2309-49A4-A25B-3576CA647C37@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C6294FB2.51B%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Ahhh! "Exists" was there. I was looking at it from the wrong end. Thanks.

God I feel like I have to unlearn all my coding habits and thinking.


On 5/8/09 2:47 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Stephen, I should have checked. Check "exists" in the dictionary for
> the rev syntax. Not quite as straightforward or easy as with HC.
> Sorry,
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On May 7, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> 
>> Stephen,
>> 
>> Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC,
>> just use:
>> 
>> if tUsername is empty then ....
>> 
>> if tUsername exists then ...
>> 
>> You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox?
>> 
>> Joe Wilkins
>> 
>> On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
>> 
>>> Really two questions:
>>> 
>>> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>>> 
>>> If !empty(tUsername)
>>>   // process here
>>> Endif
>>> 
>>> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is
>>> empty. I
>>> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching
>>> this the
>>> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>>> 
>>> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?
>>> But is
>>> there an easier way?
>>> 
>>> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I
>>> can turn
>>> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the
>>> assurance of
>>> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in
>>> Revolution?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> -Stephen Cox
> 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri May  8 03:13:16 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:13:16 -1000
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <004401c9cfac$75c37c80$614a7580$@com>

Hi Stephen,

> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
> 
> If !empty(tUsername)
>     // process here
> Endif
> 
> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is
> empty. I
> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching this
> the
> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
> 
> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2? But
> is
> there an easier way?

If tUsername = empty then...
If tUsername is empty then...
If tUsername = "" then...
If tUsername is "" then...

For Boolean:

If tUsername then... true if tUsername is true. False if anything else.
If not tUsername then... true if tUsername is false or empty.
 
> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can
> turn
> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance of
> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution?

Depends on what you mean by existence. ;-) If you have explicit variables on
then you must declare a local variable for the compile to succeed. Script
locals and globals always need to be declared or they will be interpreted as
local. It's good practice to declare all variables to avoid typo errors.

If you want to know if you are using a variable name check out *the
variableNames* and *the globalNames* in the docs. For objects, you can use
syntax like:

If there is a stack/card/button/... or other object name ... "theName" then 
If exists(object) then...

There are lots of options in these areas. They are all well documented in
the docs. ;-) Just keep in mind that in Rev all variables are essentially
strings and so there is not the "type" necessary in other languages. So even
if *if myNumericVar is an integer then...* returns true, myNumericVar is
still a "string." Now as a newbie this can get a little confusing because
the value of a var can be binary and not ASCII. But just think of it as a
"string of bytes" of any type that are in a "container" or are a "chunk" of
bytes. Hint, hint, look up these words in the docs. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu May  7 19:43:51 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 00:43:51 +0100
Subject: accessing https URLS with basic authentification
Message-ID: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>

I can load an "https" URL fine.

I can load an "http" URL protected using 'basic' authentification, using 
either the "http://user:password at www.somewhere.com/" format, or by using the 
HTTPHeaders property to explicitly add an "Authorization: Basic xxx" header.

But I can't load an "https" URL that's protected using basic authentification, 
using either of the methods described above.

Is this a known problem?  Can anyone else either reproduce this problem, or 
alternatively confirm that they _can_ load such a URL?

(NB1 this is on Mac OS X, Rev 3.0 and 3.5.)

(NB2 I can retrieve the URL fine using "curl" in the terminal - and in fact 
for now I'm working around the problem by using shell() to invoke curl.  But I 
really want to handle URLs of this form in the same way I'm handling other 
http URLs in my app, which give me more control.)

Any insights gratefully received,

TIA

Ben



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 05:43:09 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:43:09 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
Message-ID: <C62976ED.522%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Don?t hate me for asking another nub question. ;) I am reading the docs. But
this language is so different then what I am used to it?s hard to phrase
searches correctly.

Ok, so how do I clear the contents of a field? Namely a text Field. I wanna
offer a clear button.

I?ve been trying various forms of the Delete [Clear} Chunk command. But no
luck so far. Then I thought maybe it was related to a property of the Text
Field.  And still no.
Someone mind pointing me in the right direction?

Much thanks,

-Stephen Cox


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri May  8 05:48:13 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 02:48:13 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62976ED.522%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62976ED.522%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905080248x344fd53bp2ef0fabe0e2e0c78@mail.gmail.com>

put empty into fld x of stack b

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/8 Stephen Cox <stephen at networkxfla.com>

> Don?t hate me for asking another nub question. ;) I am reading the docs.
> But
> this language is so different then what I am used to it?s hard to phrase
> searches correctly.
>
> Ok, so how do I clear the contents of a field? Namely a text Field. I wanna
> offer a clear button.
>
> I?ve been trying various forms of the Delete [Clear} Chunk command. But no
> luck so far. Then I thought maybe it was related to a property of the Text
> Field.  And still no.
> Someone mind pointing me in the right direction?
>
> Much thanks,
>
> -Stephen Cox
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 05:52:00 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:52:00 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905080248x344fd53bp2ef0fabe0e2e0c78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6297900.526%stephen@networkxfla.com>

If you only have 1 stack do you have to include the stack ID?


On 5/8/09 5:48 AM, "stephen barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
wrote:

> put empty into fld x of stack b
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
> 
> 
> 2009/5/8 Stephen Cox <stephen at networkxfla.com>
> 
>> Don?t hate me for asking another nub question. ;) I am reading the docs.
>> But
>> this language is so different then what I am used to it?s hard to phrase
>> searches correctly.
>> 
>> Ok, so how do I clear the contents of a field? Namely a text Field. I wanna
>> offer a clear button.
>> 
>> I?ve been trying various forms of the Delete [Clear} Chunk command. But no
>> luck so far. Then I thought maybe it was related to a property of the Text
>> Field.  And still no.
>> Someone mind pointing me in the right direction?
>> 
>> Much thanks,
>> 
>> -Stephen Cox
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From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Fri May  8 05:54:05 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:54:05 +0100
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C6297900.526%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6297900.526%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <862C1FBF-A2D8-4C82-88CF-94DE40B85741@liverpool.ac.uk>

Hi Stephen,
if the field is on your current card then you only need to

put empty into field "yourfieldname"

You only need to add more specific details if you're referring to some  
other card and/or some other stack

put empty into field "yourfieldname" of card "thatcard" of stack  
"theotherstack"

On 8 May 2009, at 10:52, Stephen Cox wrote:

> If you only have 1 stack do you have to include the stack ID?
>
>
> On 5/8/09 5:48 AM, "stephen barncard"  
> <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> wrote:
>
>> put empty into fld x of stack b
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://barncard.com
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/8 Stephen Cox <stephen at networkxfla.com>
>>
>>> Don?t hate me for asking another nub question. ;) I am reading the  
>>> docs.
>>> But
>>> this language is so different then what I am used to it?s hard to  
>>> phrase
>>> searches correctly.
>>>
>>> Ok, so how do I clear the contents of a field? Namely a text  
>>> Field. I wanna
>>> offer a clear button.
>>>
>>> I?ve been trying various forms of the Delete [Clear} Chunk  
>>> command. But no
>>> luck so far. Then I thought maybe it was related to a property of  
>>> the Text
>>> Field.  And still no.
>>> Someone mind pointing me in the right direction?
>>>
>>> Much thanks,
>>>
>>> -Stephen Cox
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ointment.






From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 05:59:27 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:59:27 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <862C1FBF-A2D8-4C82-88CF-94DE40B85741@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <C6297ABF.52A%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Heh.

You know I tried that. But didn't use quotes. So I assume when referring to
objects on cards you have to use quotes?


On 5/8/09 5:54 AM, "Phil Jimmieson" <phil at liverpool.ac.uk> wrote:

> put empty into field "yourfieldname"



From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Fri May  8 06:05:56 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:05:56 +0100
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C6297ABF.52A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6297ABF.52A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <11D112E5-0FAC-466E-BF7A-D1EC0255ABF8@liverpool.ac.uk>

Ah, another potential can of worms!
Rev normally allows you to use unquoted literal names, except where  
they're reserved words in the language, or have weird characters in  
them that would be difficult to parse (like spaces etc). To err on the  
side of caution I usually always quote my field names (unless of  
course you're using a variable to refer to the name of a field).  
There's also a preference setting which switches Rev into a feature  
which demands quotes around literals.

put "myfieldname" into thefieldtouse
--sets up a variable with the name of the field I want

put empty into field thefieldtouse
--this is ok because thefieldtouse is a variable



put empty into field "thefieldinquestion"
--here thefieldinquestion is actually the name of the field, so I  
always quote it


On 8 May 2009, at 10:59, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Heh.
>
> You know I tried that. But didn't use quotes. So I assume when  
> referring to
> objects on cards you have to use quotes?
>
>
> On 5/8/09 5:54 AM, "Phil Jimmieson" <phil at liverpool.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> put empty into field "yourfieldname"
>
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From jrarick at hpsk12.net  Fri May  8 06:19:40 2009
From: jrarick at hpsk12.net (Jack Rarick)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 06:19:40 -0400
Subject: Launching an app with a doc in XP
Message-ID: <4A03CEFC020000DC0001D87B@hpsk12.net>

Thanks all in advance - as always.

My stack writes a text file with the names of avi files that is saved as a .wpl file. It is actually pretty cool.

But then I want to start Windows Media Player from the stack and have it use the .wpl file.

My question - on Windows 2000 I am able to use "Launch myAviFileList.wpl with windowMediaPlayer.exe and it all works great. It DOES NOT in XP.

And .. in XP I am able to use the shell function: get shell("start MyProgram.exe") and start the player but I can't figure out how to have it use my .wpl file that my stack wrote.

Any ideas?

Thanks again,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri May  8 06:44:34 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:44:34 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Cryptography Library 1.0.0
Message-ID: <200C8A59-F457-4FF5-847D-8F5DFCE09604@wehostmacs.com>

A library with a few encryption/decryption and hashing functions.  
There are also a slew of helper functions for signed bit math (Rev's  
internal bit math can only handled unsigned)

- cipherSaber1
- cipherSaber2
- sha1  (i released this a long time ago and i believe Mark Smith  
also released one)
- md5   (this is code posted by Dave Cragg to this list)

Download from < www.shaosean.tk >
For more information about CipherSaber < http:// 
ciphersaber.gurus.org/ > as well as some test files < http:// 
ciphersaber.gurus.com/cstest.zip >

-Sean


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  8 06:53:32 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 03:53:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>


OK, loaded Puppy 4.2, with the copy to memory option and using Xorg not VESA.

Ran the IDE 3.5, and it seemed fine.  Fired up a few stacks and they were
fine, positively snappy.

Ran Stackrunner, and using that, started up Sarah's Barcode key tester. 
Also Ken's XML editor.   Also another xml application stack.  All loaded and
seemed to work fine.  I've previously found the XML editor a little slow on
very large files, so speed is a bit hard to judge, but wasn't obviously any
worse than it had been on earlier versions of SR.

The borders colors and so on in all case are unpleasantly garish, but that
must be a feature of the Puppy theme.  But otherwise, it ran so fast I
thought seriously of moving one installation that only runs one app over to
Puppy.  Compared to Mandriva it screams along, its like moving back from
Vista to Win98 on old hardware.

I didn't have any difficulty running the stacks from within the IDE or using
StackRunner.  Ken, could it be that you do not have file associations set up
right?  They do not run for me by simple clicking.

I'll have another bash at Slax today if poss.

Does anyone have a seriously display intensive stack they can post
somewhere?  It would be nice to have one that definitely does show the
problem.  Or, Ken, if you want to mail me a compiled version of yours that
is causing the problem, I'd be happy to see if I can reproduce and/or do
something to eliminate it.

It occurs to me that it might be worth trying Slitaz, a true minimalist
distro, 30MB or so.  If the problemstill happens with Slitaz, its really at
a basic level with Linux rather than some dispensable extra bit.

Peter



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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri May  8 07:13:37 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 01:13:37 -1000
Subject: Launching an app with a doc in XP
In-Reply-To: <4A03CEFC020000DC0001D87B@hpsk12.net>
References: <4A03CEFC020000DC0001D87B@hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c9cfce$094b9250$1be2b6f0$@com>

Hi Jack,

Shell is just like using the command line. So anything that works, if you go
to Start and then run CMD and type something into the command line box will
also work in shell. Command line parameters can usually be Googled. Here is
the first listing I found for *windows media player command line*:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa386383(VS.85).aspx

it appears, in the case of windowsMediaPayer, you just follow the name of
the exe with the name of the file to play in quotes. So, for example, if you
typed the following into CMD (and it worked -  I didn't try it ;-):

windowsMediaPlayer.exe "myAviFileList.wpl" 

Then the equivalent shell command would be:

Get shell("start windowsMediaPlayer.exe" && quote & "myAviFileList.wpl" &
quote)

If you need to issue multiple lines of commands use && inside the quotes so:

Get shell("cd \myDirectory && start myProg.exe")

Would change directory to myDirectory and then execute myProg.exe

So, be mindful of using && to concatenate strings or inside quotes to
indicate another command line. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jack Rarick
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:20 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Launching an app with a doc in XP
> 
> Thanks all in advance - as always.
> 
> My stack writes a text file with the names of avi files that is saved
> as a .wpl file. It is actually pretty cool.
> 
> But then I want to start Windows Media Player from the stack and have
> it use the .wpl file.
> 
> My question - on Windows 2000 I am able to use "Launch
> myAviFileList.wpl with windowMediaPlayer.exe and it all works great. It
> DOES NOT in XP.
> 
> And .. in XP I am able to use the shell function: get shell("start
> MyProgram.exe") and start the player but I can't figure out how to have
> it use my .wpl file that my stack wrote.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri May  8 07:24:48 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:24:48 +0100
Subject: accessing https URLS with basic authentification
In-Reply-To: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>
References: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905080424s9750fb1vad53d5bd4af958b6@mail.gmail.com>

Basic Auth should still work with https.

I think the problem might be to do with the verification of the SSL
certificate.  Try running this before you make your https URL call:

libUrlSetSSLVerification false

The only thing that gives me pause in suggesting this as the cause, is
that I would expect curl to also fail if there was a problem with the
SSL certificate (i.e. the certification chain is broken).   Then
again, maybe it is that curl has a chain of certs that will verify the
cert of the site you are trying to connect with.  (I thought for some
years now curl was not supplied with its own certs).

Bernard


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
> I can load an "https" URL fine.
>
> I can load an "http" URL protected using 'basic' authentification, using
> either the "http://user:password at www.somewhere.com/" format, or by using the
> HTTPHeaders property to explicitly add an "Authorization: Basic xxx" header.
>
> But I can't load an "https" URL that's protected using basic
> authentification, using either of the methods described above.
>
> Is this a known problem? ?Can anyone else either reproduce this problem, or
> alternatively confirm that they _can_ load such a URL?
>
> (NB1 this is on Mac OS X, Rev 3.0 and 3.5.)
>
> (NB2 I can retrieve the URL fine using "curl" in the terminal - and in fact
> for now I'm working around the problem by using shell() to invoke curl. ?But
> I really want to handle URLs of this form in the same way I'm handling other
> http URLs in my app, which give me more control.)
>
> Any insights gratefully received,
>
> TIA
>
> Ben
>
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From jrarick at hpsk12.net  Fri May  8 07:26:53 2009
From: jrarick at hpsk12.net (Jack Rarick)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:26:53 -0400
Subject: Launching an app with a doc in XP
In-Reply-To: <004d01c9cfce$094b9250$1be2b6f0$@com>
References: <4A03CEFC020000DC0001D87B@hpsk12.net>
	<004d01c9cfce$094b9250$1be2b6f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A03DEBD020000DC0001D892@hpsk12.net>

Now that's what I'm talking about! Wow!

Thank you so much!

Go Rev Groups and Jim - and what time is it in Hawaii?!

>>> "Jim Bufalini" <jim at visitrieve.com> 5/8/2009 7:13 AM >>>
Hi Jack,

Shell is just like using the command line. So anything that works, if you go
to Start and then run CMD and type something into the command line box will
also work in shell. Command line parameters can usually be Googled. Here is
the first listing I found for *windows media player command line*:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa386383(VS.85).aspx 

it appears, in the case of windowsMediaPayer, you just follow the name of
the exe with the name of the file to play in quotes. So, for example, if you
typed the following into CMD (and it worked -  I didn't try it ;-):

windowsMediaPlayer.exe "myAviFileList.wpl" 

Then the equivalent shell command would be:

Get shell("start windowsMediaPlayer.exe" && quote & "myAviFileList.wpl" &
quote)

If you need to issue multiple lines of commands use && inside the quotes so:

Get shell("cd \myDirectory && start myProg.exe")

Would change directory to myDirectory and then execute myProg.exe

So, be mindful of using && to concatenate strings or inside quotes to
indicate another command line. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jack Rarick
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:20 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
> Subject: Launching an app with a doc in XP
> 
> Thanks all in advance - as always.
> 
> My stack writes a text file with the names of avi files that is saved
> as a .wpl file. It is actually pretty cool.
> 
> But then I want to start Windows Media Player from the stack and have
> it use the .wpl file.
> 
> My question - on Windows 2000 I am able to use "Launch
> myAviFileList.wpl with windowMediaPlayer.exe and it all works great. It
> DOES NOT in XP.
> 
> And .. in XP I am able to use the shell function: get shell("start
> MyProgram.exe") and start the player but I can't figure out how to have
> it use my .wpl file that my stack wrote.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
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From p.williams at alkazar.net  Fri May  8 07:42:38 2009
From: p.williams at alkazar.net (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:42:38 +0100
Subject: accessing https URLS with basic authentification
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905080424s9750fb1vad53d5bd4af958b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>,
	<edcc7e6b0905080424s9750fb1vad53d5bd4af958b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0428BE.24409.787ADB9B@p.williams.alkazar.net>

Don't forget only Rev Enterprise supports https.



> Basic Auth should still work with https.
> 
> I think the problem might be to do with the verification of the
> SSL
> certificate.  Try running this before you make your https URL
> call:
> 
> libUrlSetSSLVerification false
> 
> The only thing that gives me pause in suggesting this as the cause,
> is
> that I would expect curl to also fail if there was a problem with
> the
> SSL certificate (i.e. the certification chain is broken).   Then
> again, maybe it is that curl has a chain of certs that will verify
> the
> cert of the site you are trying to connect with.  (I thought for
> some
> years now curl was not supplied with its own certs).
> 
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
> wrote:
> > I can load an "https" URL fine.
> >
> > I can load an "http" URL protected using 'basic' authentification,
> using
> > either the "http://user:password at www.somewhere.com/" format, or by
> using the
> > HTTPHeaders property to explicitly add an "Authorization: Basic
> xxx" header.
> >
> > But I can't load an "https" URL that's protected using basic
> > authentification, using either of the methods described above.
> >
> > Is this a known problem? ?Can anyone else either reproduce this
> problem, or
> > alternatively confirm that they _can_ load such a URL?
> >
> > (NB1 this is on Mac OS X, Rev 3.0 and 3.5.)
> >
> > (NB2 I can retrieve the URL fine using "curl" in the terminal -
> and in fact
> > for now I'm working around the problem by using shell() to invoke
> curl. ?But
> > I really want to handle URLs of this form in the same way I'm
> handling other
> > http URLs in my app, which give me more control.)
> >
> > Any insights gratefully received,
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Ben
> >
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From david at architex.tv  Fri May  8 08:02:47 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:02:47 +0100
Subject: Tip: fix for broken behavior (just in case)
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905080502h390d6963if55a084c8b3aa2f9@mail.gmail.com>

Some times after a crash, Rev will lose it's links between controls and
behaviors. It can take a long time to track this down as

put the behavior of grp 1

returns as expected. It is just that none of the behavior scripts get
called. Restarting does not help. It's happened 3 times for me, so if this
happens to you this is the fix:

set the behavior of grp 1 to the behavior of grp 1

You only need to do this once for any given behavior, to fix all links for
that behavior, but you do need to do it for each behavior you use. See bug
#8014 <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8014> and vote for
it if it affects you.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri May  8 08:45:53 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:45:53 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Cryptography Library 1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <200C8A59-F457-4FF5-847D-8F5DFCE09604@wehostmacs.com>
References: <200C8A59-F457-4FF5-847D-8F5DFCE09604@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905080545m31292076ib7cc7749e6ef5d7@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sean.  The ciphersabre website made interesting reading.

Bernard


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May  8 08:54:17 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:54:17 -0400
Subject: DataGrid question simple?
In-Reply-To: <0364DAEE-80E0-4C54-939C-6782DE3DCD2A@wehostmacs.com>
References: <0364DAEE-80E0-4C54-939C-6782DE3DCD2A@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <1EED2589-80C3-419F-8573-7A9DCA8A5980@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 7, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> I included this type of code in the group script of the data grid  
> object (group "Schema" in your case)
>
> on mouseUp
>  local theLine
>  local theDataA
>
>  put the dgHilitedLines of group "Schema" into theLine
>  put the dgDataOfLine[theLine] of group "Schema" into theDataA
>
>  put theDataA["Field Name"] into field "tFieldName"
>  put theDataA["Field Type"] into field "tFieldType"
>  put theDataA["Field ID"]   into field "tFieldID"
> end mouseUp

This will work fine though you could also use the selectionChanged  
message like you would in a list field. Take a look at this lesson:

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3641-How-Do-I-Get-Data-Associated-With-a-Line- 
 >

Regards,

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  8 09:33:16 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:33:16 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C6288201.1D03E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C6288201.1D03E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4E26F94F-40A2-4C81-BD86-499DA1F3D5C1@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

They are in /var/log not sure if this type of thing might show up in / 
var/log/messages

more -f /var/log/messages

Are you double-clicking or starting it from the Terminal? The  
Terminal might throw up what the error is.

In some instances I've spotted that the executable bit is mangled if  
you transfer the installer from a USB/memory stick, had this happen  
in 8.04 and not in 8.10.
Not tested in 9.0x. Wondering if this applies to other distros.

Does it run as root?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 7 May 2009, at 18:18, Ken Ray wrote:

>> Could be a CPU architecture problem? Any info in the logs?
>
> Which logs are you talking about - where would I look?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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From wow at together.net  Fri May  8 10:18:49 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18:49 -0400
Subject: "set the externals" question
In-Reply-To: <C629D2D4.43C5%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C629D2D4.43C5%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4A043F49.2010608@together.net>

Terry, Jim:

Putting the loadexternals script in one of my main stacks did the trick. 
Thanks.

Richard


Terry Judd wrote:
> On 8/05/09 11:24 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks, Terry. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) Have you tried using this in a stack that is opened by a standalone,
>> rather than in the standalone itself?
>>     
>
> Yep/probably/maybe/don't remember. It should work either way.
>   
>> 2) And if so, have you tried this under Vista?
>>     
>
> Nope, but I hope it works for you.
>
> Terry...
>   
>> Thanks.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Terry Judd wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> I use a loadExternals handler in the preopenstack handler of my app that
>>> looks like this (hmm, now that I look at it I'm not sure if the go stack bit
>>> is necessary) and seems to work reliably (I think this approach was
>>> originally suggested by Trevor).
>>>
>>> ON loadExternals
>>>     put the short name of this stack into tStack
>>>     put <<pathToExternals>> into pExternals
>>>     IF there is not a stack "myExternals" THEN
>>>         reset templatestack
>>>         set destroywindow of templatestack to true
>>>         set destroystack of templatestack to true
>>>         set visible of templatestack to false
>>>         set externals of templatestack to pExternals
>>>         create stack "myExternals"
>>>         reset templatestack
>>>     END IF
>>>     go stack "myExternals"
>>>     start using stack "myExternals"
>>>     set the defaultstack to tStack
>>> END loadExternals
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Terry...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/05/09 10:38 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Jim, Thierry:
>>>>
>>>> I did my additional testing with this. For whatever reason, the process
>>>> works fine on XP but not Vista. Identical code on both units. One works;
>>>> one doesn't. Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> I have a standalone... that opens an initial stack... which in turn
>>>> opens an invisible substack (which remains open). In that substack, the
>>>> preopenstack handler uses "set the externals of this stack to
>>>> revvideograbber.dll". The initial stack (not the standalone... which is
>>>> only the startup engine for this program) contains the main navigation
>>>> menu. The user then navigates from this initial stack to the video
>>>> recording stack, which when it first opens, has a preopenstack handler
>>>> containing "start using" (the invisible stack).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Richard Miller wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Thanks Jim and Thierry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to be working. I've got a bit more testing to do, but so far, so
>>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have one stack that sets the externals. Then *start using* that stack
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> anywhere (the preOpenStack of your standalone is fine). This makes
>>>>>> available
>>>>>> the externals of that stack to other open stacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Bufalini
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I have a standalone, which opens several other stacks. Is there a way
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have any of these other stacks access an external WITHOUT having to
>>>>>>> "set
>>>>>>> the externals" of the standalone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's much easier for me if I need only modify one of the stacks. I'd
>>>>>>> like to avoid modifying the standalone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've tried:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. using the "set the externals" command in the preopenstack handler in
>>>>>>> one of the stacks (i.e. not the standalone app), but this didn't work
>>>>>>> during runtime;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. setting the externals of one of the stacks in the development
>>>>>>> environment (so I can see that the external is being referenced in the
>>>>>>> stack property inspector). This didn't work during runtime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm testing this under Windows, but any solution would need to work on
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Mac as well. It's the videograbber.dll (in the Rev Externals folder)
>>>>>>> that I'm trying to access during runtime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>>>>
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri May  8 11:56:46 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:56:46 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Cryptography Library 1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <200C8A59-F457-4FF5-847D-8F5DFCE09604@wehostmacs.com>
References: <200C8A59-F457-4FF5-847D-8F5DFCE09604@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <5777B2C8-F878-49E7-84D3-57488D179FB0@twft.com>

Hi Sean.

Brilliant! I have been wondering how I was going to implement an SQL  
based app which accessed a remote database without passing cleartext  
passwords to the server. I haven't figured out in Rev how to encrypt/ 
decrypt the password to the database so I can store it locally in a  
property that someone else cannot simply open and view. I don't want  
to ask my end users to log into the SQL database every time, so I need  
to store a hash of the password in a property.

Your library should work perfectly for all of that.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 8, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Shao Sean wrote:

> A library with a few encryption/decryption and hashing functions.
> There are also a slew of helper functions for signed bit math (Rev's
> internal bit math can only handled unsigned)
>
> - cipherSaber1
> - cipherSaber2
> - sha1  (i released this a long time ago and i believe Mark Smith
> also released one)
> - md5   (this is code posted by Dave Cragg to this list)
>
> Download from < www.shaosean.tk >
> For more information about CipherSaber < http://
> ciphersaber.gurus.org/ > as well as some test files < http://
> ciphersaber.gurus.com/cstest.zip >
>
> -Sean
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  8 12:01:01 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:01:01 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
	<23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <801534000609.20090508090101@ahsoftware.net>

Peter-

Friday, May 8, 2009, 3:53:32 AM, you wrote:

> Ran the IDE 3.5, and it seemed fine.  Fired up a few stacks and they were
> fine, positively snappy.

Try loading a script of more than a few hundred lines into the script
editor. Then try using the scrollbar to move around in the script.
That's where things for me became so slow as to be unusable, usually
resulting in an ide crash. If this is working for you then I'm ready
to give puppy a try.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri May  8 12:24:32 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:24:32 +0100
Subject: Getting the name for a Windows Users 'home'
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10904241856v49f4170dm4a08c5db0a84d609@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00035DC1.49E8EDB9@the-office.us>
	<DCFFA5D0-CECA-47B4-9439-6BD5BBA41FED@cox.net>
	<225C5835-8E17-443E-9E29-207E73868E13@pacifier.com>
	<CB7CD9FC-86C1-4928-ADE8-7EF55F914BEE@clubtype.co.uk>
	<f99b52860904241511i92d5296p5ef8191cfde9f3c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10904241856v49f4170dm4a08c5db0a84d609@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>

Thanks to all for the advice about Mac Users/home.
The short version was successful:
/Users/~/Library/Fonts

I now need to delete files from Windows Users/home.
Is there an equivalent short version path for Windows or is  
'specialFolderPath' used to get this?
If so, how may I use it?

On VISTA for examplethe path appears to be:
C:\Users\????\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Start Menu\ Programs 
\MyFileToBeDeleted

Is the specialFolderPath uses differently in XP and Vista?
Any clues would be a great help,
Thanks,
Adrian
______________________
Club Type
http://www.clubtype.co.uk
<adrian at clubtype.co.uk>


On 25 Apr 2009, at 02:56, Andre Garzia wrote:

> also shell("whoami") gives you the name of the logged user.
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Adrian Williams <adrian at clubtype.co.uk 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Installing fonts into the Public domain is a breeze:
>>> MacHD/Library/Fonts/MyNewFont.ttf
>>>
>>> But I need to install and uninstall fonts in the Users domain. For
>> example:
>>> MacHD/Users/someunknownname/Library/Fonts/MyNewFont.ttf
>>>
>>> How can I retrieve 'someunknownname' from any computer and place  
>>> it in a
>>> variable in the pathname?
>>
>> $USER gives you the name of the current user.
>> However specialFolderPath() might provide the exact folder path you
>> need. As well as the docs, check out Ken Ray's list of usable codes
>> for this: <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm 
>> >
>>
>> BTW, in OS X & Rev, you don't need to include the MacHD part in your
>> file path. /Users/username/Library.... is the way such folders are
>> specified.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>





From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May  8 12:38:44 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:38:44 -0500
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <00035DC1.49E8EDB9@the-office.us>	<DCFFA5D0-CECA-47B4-9439-6BD5BBA41FED@cox.net>	<225C5835-8E17-443E-9E29-207E73868E13@pacifier.com>	<CB7CD9FC-86C1-4928-ADE8-7EF55F914BEE@clubtype.co.uk>	<f99b52860904241511i92d5296p5ef8191cfde9f3c1@mail.gmail.com>	<7c87a2a10904241856v49f4170dm4a08c5db0a84d609@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A046014.2090605@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I'm just curious, but for those of you who have an Enterprise license,
how do you develop your stacks/standalones for multiple platforms?

Do you keep each platform separate and write the same stack for each
platform itself?  Or do you have 1 stack file and use Property Profiles
and platform() functions to determine functionality?

I guess I'm just looking for some incite as to how I should attack each
platform with my current and future projects.  Thanks!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May  8 13:18:42 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18:42 -0700
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
Message-ID: <4A046972.40504@fourthworld.com>

Derek Bump wrote:
> I'm just curious, but for those of you who have an Enterprise license,
> how do you develop your stacks/standalones for multiple platforms?
> 
> Do you keep each platform separate and write the same stack for each
> platform itself?  Or do you have 1 stack file and use Property Profiles
> and platform() functions to determine functionality?

I maintain only one code base, using forked code within specific 
handlers as needed.

For example, most of my apps use an InitApp handler, which call a list 
of specific handlers like InitPrefs, InitWindows, InitMenus, etc. Each 
of those handlers takes care of any changes I need for specific platforms.

InitWindows sets the backgroundColor, textFont, textSize, and other 
common properties for each window to match conventions on the target OS. 
  This happens one time before any windows are rendered so the 
performance hit isn't noticeable (my Rev-based apps generally boot in 
less than 1/10th the amount of time needed to boot any Adobe app, but 
that's not really fair since Adobe apps are almost always a favorable 
performance comparison <g>).

Same with things like Prefs.  I have two handlers I use everywhere, 
fwGetPref and fwSetPref to get and set preference values which are 
stored as custom props in a stack file. Each of those handlers calls a 
function named fwPrefsPath to get the path to the stack I use as the 
prefs file for each platform:  for OS X I use 
specialApplicationFolder("preferences") and for Win I use 
specialFolderPath("26"), followed by a folder for the publisher and then 
a folder inside that for the product where I store the actual prefs 
stackfile.  So one handler takes care of the forking, and nothing else 
in my app needs to care about which platform it's running on to get and 
set prefs values.

A rule of thumb I use for platform-forked code:  "Will I need this 
anywhere else?"

Any time I think I might need to fork code by platform, I'll write a 
separate handler for that so I can just call that and it'll take care of 
it without me having to ever think about it again.

This was especially helpful recently with a project I'm porting to the 
web, in which we have a fairly complex custom search engine for which 
all the path references to the index files are handled in generalized 
handlers that take care of any platform stuff.  While we'd been using 
this in the desktop product for both Mac and Win for years, I was able 
to just drop that search library onto our Linux server and call it from 
a CGI without having to modify it at all other than to reformat the 
output as HTML. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri May  8 13:41:50 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:41:50 -0700
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A046972.40504@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A046972.40504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A046EDE.2060302@pdslabs.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Derek Bump wrote:
>> I'm just curious, but for those of you who have an Enterprise license,
>> how do you develop your stacks/standalones for multiple platforms?
>>
>> Do you keep each platform separate and write the same stack for each
>> platform itself?  Or do you have 1 stack file and use Property Profiles
>> and platform() functions to determine functionality?
>
> I maintain only one code base, using forked code within specific 
> handlers as needed.

Ditto. I'm generally not as rigorous as Mr. Gaskin in some of the 
implementation details, but I definitely subscribe to the same 
principles. I think you would quickly find that maintaining two copies 
of an app is more trouble than it's worth.

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  8 13:58:48 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <801534000609.20090508090101@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
	<23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<801534000609.20090508090101@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <23450613.post@talk.nabble.com>


Mark, don't know if this qualifies, but I did the following in Debian Lenny
AMD64  running Gnome - reasonably up to date.

Downloaded SVGL from revonline.  I thought it would be nice to have a stack
we can all play with.  The stack script appears to have over 1,000 lines.  I
scrolled and it moves up and down just fine.  Just for the hell of it I put
a random comment in, and compiled.  Almost instant.  Went into browse mode
and had it draw the picture of the tiger.  A one or two second delay and
there it is.

My machine is a Sempron, not dual core, not even very fast, socket 754.

I am sure that on Puppy it would be even faster, but this is plenty fast
enough, I doubt you'd notice any difference.

Can you put a script on revonline that has the effects you mention?  It gets
weirder and weirder, this.

Peter 


Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
> Peter-
> 
> Friday, May 8, 2009, 3:53:32 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Ran the IDE 3.5, and it seemed fine.  Fired up a few stacks and they were
>> fine, positively snappy.
> 
> Try loading a script of more than a few hundred lines into the script
> editor. Then try using the scrollbar to move around in the script.
> That's where things for me became so slow as to be unusable, usually
> resulting in an ide crash. If this is working for you then I'm ready
> to give puppy a try.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> 

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May  8 14:16:15 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:16:15 -0500
Subject: Getting the name for a Windows Users 'home'
In-Reply-To: <5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C629E11F.1D0FF%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> Thanks to all for the advice about Mac Users/home.
> The short version was successful:
> /Users/~/Library/Fonts
> 
> I now need to delete files from Windows Users/home.
> Is there an equivalent short version path for Windows or is
> 'specialFolderPath' used to get this?
> If so, how may I use it?
> 
> On VISTA for examplethe path appears to be:
> C:\Users\????\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Start Menu\ Programs
> \MyFileToBeDeleted
> 
> Is the specialFolderPath uses differently in XP and Vista?
> Any clues would be a great help,

As Sarah mentioned below, check out this reference:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm



Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 14:17:49 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:17:49 -0500
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A046014.2090605@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <00035DC1.49E8EDB9@the-office.us>	<DCFFA5D0-CECA-47B4-9439-6BD5BBA41FED@cox.net>	<225C5835-8E17-443E-9E29-207E73868E13@pacifier.com>	<CB7CD9FC-86C1-4928-ADE8-7EF55F914BEE@clubtype.co.uk>	<f99b52860904241511i92d5296p5ef8191cfde9f3c1@mail.gmail.com>	<7c87a2a10904241856v49f4170dm4a08c5db0a84d609@mail.gmail.com>	<5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A046014.2090605@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A04774D.4080309@hyperactivesw.com>

Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> I'm just curious, but for those of you who have an Enterprise license,
> how do you develop your stacks/standalones for multiple platforms?
> 
> Do you keep each platform separate and write the same stack for each
> platform itself?  Or do you have 1 stack file and use Property Profiles
> and platform() functions to determine functionality?

Keeping separate copies pretty much removes the advantage of Rev's 
cross-platform development capabilites. And invariably you'll find if 
you do that, you'll forget to update one of the copies and it will break.

I do what Richard does, forking code as needed, which is required for 
only a few things. I too have an "init" handler that manages platform 
display differences when the app launches. Other than that, very little 
forking is usually necessary.

I develop almost exclusively on my Mac for most of the project. When the 
stack is almost ready, I open it in the Windows version of the IDE for 
testing and final tweaking. I build for both platforms on the Mac, then 
test again in Windows to make sure all went well, which is true most of 
the time. Most of the Mac/Windows issues show up when I test the stack 
near the end of the development process.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 14:25:47 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:25:47 -0500
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A04792B.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:

> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can turn
> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance of
> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution?

It is a non-issue. Rev does not require you to declare variables; they 
are created automatically just by using them. I have never seen that fail.

However, since you have turned on explicit variables, you do have to 
declare them -- but this relates more to how the the compiler works than 
how the engine works. I personally do not use explicit variables, I 
never declare them specifically, and I have never had any problem.

I should note that explicit variables is a hot topic, with proponents on 
both sides, and has been the subject of more than one thread here. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 14:27:06 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:27:06 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62976ED.522%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62976ED.522%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A04797A.1050008@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> Don?t hate me for asking another nub question. ;)

I embrace you for it, please don't stop. This list gets way too ethereal 
sometimes, I love the new people. Go for it. Ask everything.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri May  8 14:29:20 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:29:20 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23450613.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
	<23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<801534000609.20090508090101@ahsoftware.net>
	<23450613.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905081129g7489f0c5iffd1ac27f53d426b@mail.gmail.com>

I think Mark may be referring to his experiences with 3.0.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7162

Peter didn't seem to have problems with the editor in that bug report,
but the rest of us did.

Maybe that bug is one of the many bugs that Kevin refers to as having
been fixed.  Maybe they forgot to update the bug report.

Bernard

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Peter Alcibiades
<palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Mark, don't know if this qualifies, but I did the following in Debian Lenny
> AMD64 ?running Gnome - reasonably up to date.
>
> Downloaded SVGL from revonline. ?I thought it would be nice to have a stack
> we can all play with. ?The stack script appears to have over 1,000 lines. ?I
> scrolled and it moves up and down just fine. ?Just for the hell of it I put
> a random comment in, and compiled. ?Almost instant. ?Went into browse mode
> and had it draw the picture of the tiger. ?A one or two second delay and
> there it is.
>
> My machine is a Sempron, not dual core, not even very fast, socket 754.
>
> I am sure that on Puppy it would be even faster, but this is plenty fast
> enough, I doubt you'd notice any difference.
>
> Can you put a script on revonline that has the effects you mention? ?It gets
> weirder and weirder, this.
>
> Peter
>
>
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>> Peter-
>>
>> Friday, May 8, 2009, 3:53:32 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Ran the IDE 3.5, and it seemed fine. ?Fired up a few stacks and they were
>>> fine, positively snappy.
>>
>> Try loading a script of more than a few hundred lines into the script
>> editor. Then try using the scrollbar to move around in the script.
>> That's where things for me became so slow as to be unusable, usually
>> resulting in an ide crash. If this is working for you then I'm ready
>> to give puppy a try.
>>
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 14:32:36 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:32:36 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C6297ABF.52A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C6297ABF.52A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A047AC4.4090905@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> Heh.
> 
> You know I tried that. But didn't use quotes. So I assume when referring to
> objects on cards you have to use quotes?

Literals are always quoted, so this:

   field "myField"

means a field whose name is the literal string "myField". If the quotes 
are omitted, the engine will try to find a variable named myField. 
Sometimes the engine is smart enough to realize that if there is no 
variable with that name, there may be a field with that name which the 
script has neglected to quote. In that case, the string may resolve 
correctly to the field name -- but you can't count on it. And if literal 
names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to execute the 
statement because of the additional lookup.

Whether or not the engine can resolve an unquoted literal depends 
somewhat on the position of the string in the command line. It gets 
complicated, so the best rule of thumb is: don't quote variables, always 
quote literal strings.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Fri May  8 14:49:41 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:49:41 +0100
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A04774D.4080309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <00035DC1.49E8EDB9@the-office.us>
	<DCFFA5D0-CECA-47B4-9439-6BD5BBA41FED@cox.net>
	<225C5835-8E17-443E-9E29-207E73868E13@pacifier.com>
	<CB7CD9FC-86C1-4928-ADE8-7EF55F914BEE@clubtype.co.uk>
	<f99b52860904241511i92d5296p5ef8191cfde9f3c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10904241856v49f4170dm4a08c5db0a84d609@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A046014.2090605@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A04774D.4080309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905081149i50c19701kda05ba6ed672bb48@mail.gmail.com>

I do roughly the same as the other posters - with the exception that for
certain projects where there is quite a bit of platform specific code I
branch these not within the handler, but out to platform specific handlers
that are then kept in platform specific libraries.

That way the switching comes to switching libraries - in cases where you
want the same project say on a usb-stick to work on multiple platforms -
then you would either have stub handlers that do the switching internally or
better have a load library routine that loads the appropriate platform
dependent library. Still I use the all contained in one handler technique
for most of the simpler cases.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May  8 14:50:05 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:50:05 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A047AC4.4090905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C629CCED.4162B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>  if literal 
> names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to execute the
> statement because of the additional lookup.

Jacque, is this really true?  I've developed a construction/coding style
over the years of naming card objects with an underscore ( _coolfield ) and
using quotes only for messages ( send "nextMessage" to me in 50 millisecs )
and anything else that *must* be literal ( dynamic object names: field
"_cool" & tNum ).  I just prefer the appearance of the code -- it's fewer
characters and makes the code more readable to me.  But if it is true that
execution takes longer when referencing object names without quotes, then
this would be a good reason to get back into quoting the names.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From johncanmail-all at yahoo.it  Fri May  8 15:00:03 2009
From: johncanmail-all at yahoo.it (Giovanni Cannizzaro)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:00:03 +0200
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
Message-ID: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>

hi all!!!
I've a little math issue!!!
Try to put this in ur message box:

put 283.67-150.00-133.67>0

It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
Can u confirm this?
What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?

TY. bye-


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  8 15:12:36 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905081129g7489f0c5iffd1ac27f53d426b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
	<23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<801534000609.20090508090101@ahsoftware.net>
	<23450613.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905081129g7489f0c5iffd1ac27f53d426b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23451796.post@talk.nabble.com>


None of my scripts are very long, that might have been why the problems
didn't happen.  But I did have a rea editingl slowdown problem even so in
2.8.1.  It was not to do with scrolling, but just with typing.  Sometimes
for no discernable reason, when you typed, it would take almost a second for
the character to register.  It was so bad I gave up and just used an
external text editor.  But this seems to have gone away totally with 2.9 and
later releases. 

I had a funny problem with gm1:  the browse/pointer tool in the toolbar
didn't work properly.  There was no pointer icon.  You had to select it from
the tools menu item.  gm2 seems to have fixed this.

The other thing that is different about my configuration is that I don't
have an Ubuntu installation.  My own system is Debian, and the ones my stuff
is being used on are Mandriva One KDE - I've kept them to 2008.1, being
afraid to inflict KDE 4 on the unwary, but probably will take them to 2009
soon, now that KDE seems to have settled down.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 15:13:43 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:13:43 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C629CCED.4162B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C629CCED.4162B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>  if literal 
>> names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to execute the
>> statement because of the additional lookup.
> 
> Jacque, is this really true? 

I confess I made up the "twice as long" part, I don't really have any 
hard numbers on the increase. But as I understand it, it takes longer. 
Though with Rev being as fast as it is, the delay is probably not very 
noticeable most of the time.

On a tangent, another thing that takes longer is the omission of "the" 
when refering to properties; again, just because the engine has to do a 
second level of interpretation. You see a lot of this:

  set cursor to none
  set name of field 1 to "whatever"

Not a good habit, though the engine has no problem with it. I believe it 
also takes slightly longer to use abbreviations ("fld", "cd", etc) 
because that also requires a second-level lookup, but I for one refuse 
to give those up.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From coiin at rcn.com  Fri May  8 15:18:48 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:18:48 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>


On May 8, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:

> It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
> but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
> Can u confirm this?
> What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?


You might think that it equals zero, but it doesn't. Try this test:

set the numberformat to "#.00000000000000000"
put 283.67-150.00-133.67

you get 0.00000000000002842

I'm guessing it's something to do with the limitations of 32 bit  
arithmetic.




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May  8 15:21:34 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:21:34 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C629D44E.41633%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On a tangent, another thing that takes longer is the omission of "the"
> when refering to properties; again, just because the engine has to do a
> second level of interpretation. You see a lot of this:
> 
>   set cursor to none
>   set name of field 1 to "whatever"
> 
> Not a good habit, though the engine has no problem with it. I believe it
> also takes slightly longer to use abbreviations ("fld", "cd", etc)
> because that also requires a second-level lookup, but I for one refuse
> to give those up.

Good god, I'm guilty of all these things. :-)

Actually, it's pretty amusing that one is penalized for being concise.

Maybe I'll stick with my "bad" habits (there, I quoted).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 15:25:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:25:38 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C629D44E.41633%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C629D44E.41633%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A048732.5040002@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On a tangent, another thing that takes longer is the omission of "the"
>> when refering to properties; again, just because the engine has to do a
>> second level of interpretation. You see a lot of this:
>>
>>   set cursor to none
>>   set name of field 1 to "whatever"
>>
>> Not a good habit, though the engine has no problem with it. I believe it
>> also takes slightly longer to use abbreviations ("fld", "cd", etc)
>> because that also requires a second-level lookup, but I for one refuse
>> to give those up.
> 
> Good god, I'm guilty of all these things. :-)

LOL! I'm guilty of some of them too, but it's really odd which ones. For 
example, I *always* include "the" when referring to properties -- except 
when setting the cursor, which I simply can't force myself to change, so 
I always write "set cursor to none". Weird, the human mind.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 15:35:26 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 15:35:26 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A048732.5040002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>

And you just answered another question I was about to scan the Dictionary
for. Thanks.

-Stephen Cox


On 5/8/09 3:25 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> "set cursor to none"



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 15:44:02 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:44:02 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> And you just answered another question I was about to scan the Dictionary
> for. Thanks.
> 
> -Stephen Cox
> 
> 
> On 5/8/09 3:25 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> "set cursor to none"

Yeah, well, since you're new, *you* have to write "set the cursor to 
none". The rest of us will continue to use our bad habits. :)


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May  8 15:52:17 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:52:17 -0500
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A046014.2090605@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <00035DC1.49E8EDB9@the-office.us>	<DCFFA5D0-CECA-47B4-9439-6BD5BBA41FED@cox.net>	<225C5835-8E17-443E-9E29-207E73868E13@pacifier.com>	<CB7CD9FC-86C1-4928-ADE8-7EF55F914BEE@clubtype.co.uk>	<f99b52860904241511i92d5296p5ef8191cfde9f3c1@mail.gmail.com>	<7c87a2a10904241856v49f4170dm4a08c5db0a84d609@mail.gmail.com>	<5A2C6C8A-AC8E-4999-AFCB-4E4C78E37636@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A046014.2090605@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A048D71.4080207@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Well thank you Richard, Phil, Jacqueline and David for taking the time
to give your opinion.  Your answers were excellent and really helped me
understand how everyone else is using Revolution on multiple platforms.

Some of you did touch on the next question I had.  Do you folks prefer
to hard-code your interface handlers for each platform, or do any of you
utilize the Property Profiles feature?

I messed around with Property Profiles a few years ago, but was
displeased due to the constant updating of properties that I didn't want
updated.  Also, the profiles feature was broken in Standalones at the time.

Would you folks recommend hard-coding the interface items per platform,
or use Property Profiles instead?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> I'm just curious, but for those of you who have an Enterprise license,
> how do you develop your stacks/standalones for multiple platforms?
> 
> Do you keep each platform separate and write the same stack for each
> platform itself?  Or do you have 1 stack file and use Property Profiles
> and platform() functions to determine functionality?
> 
> I guess I'm just looking for some incite as to how I should attack each
> platform with my current and future projects.  Thanks!
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 15:54:08 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:54:08 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>

Hey Jacque,

Has no one ever put together an FAQ for Rev newbies? I realize that  
could be a pretty horrendous effort, but should be useful and doable.

Joe Wilkins

On May 8, 2009, at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Yeah, well, since you're new, *you* have to write "set the cursor to  
> none". The rest of us will continue to use our bad habits. :)
>
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect
Director of Product Development for GSI
760-738-1721





From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri May  8 15:59:40 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:59:40 +0100
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C629CCED.4162B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <00C80CFB-600C-435E-8056-1421E6994073@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 8 May 2009, at 20:13, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> if literal names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to  
>>> execute the
>>> statement because of the additional lookup.
>> Jacque, is this really true?
>
> I confess I made up the "twice as long" part, I don't really have  
> any hard numbers on the increase.

I do. :-)

I've held the same belief as yourself. It looks like we're wrong. On  
my machine (an intel mac)), 100,000 accesses of a field (get field  
whatever) takes about 95ms for both quoted and unquoted field names.  
(The field contains about 140 characters) Actually, on average, using  
a quoted name takes about 2ms longer (for 100,000 accesses). Accessing  
the field by its number takes about 85 ms. And by its ID takes about  
80ms.

Knowledge is power. I bet Bill Gates doesn't know this.

Cheers
Dave


From bobs at twft.com  Fri May  8 16:06:00 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:06:00 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
	<56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <0ECBE5BF-4516-4E8C-9CE3-95EBD635B161@twft.com>

OK That is scary. 32 bit or no that should not be happening.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 8, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On May 8, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:
>
>> It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
>> but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
>> Can u confirm this?
>> What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?
>
>
> You might think that it equals zero, but it doesn't. Try this test:
>
> set the numberformat to "#.00000000000000000"
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>
> you get 0.00000000000002842
>
> I'm guessing it's something to do with the limitations of 32 bit
> arithmetic.
>
>
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 16:08:34 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:08:34 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>

The biggest problem I am having is figuring out what to search for. The
language is so unique. So take my question about emptying a field. Be easy
in an OOP language: empty(Text_field.text) - or something to that effect.
So I would search on "empty" and get tons of info on the function and
various examples.. AND user comments.

Now in Revolution it's also easy but completely different then any of
language. So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing; then "Text
Entry Field", got nothing; then asked here.

I'm not harping on Revolution. I like it. It's just different from anything
else on the market. So a FAQ that shows JAVA or C syntax alongside
Revolution would be a god-send. Just some common functions and procedures.
The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It would help
get my head out of OOP into Revolution.



On 5/8/09 3:54 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Hey Jacque,
> 
> Has no one ever put together an FAQ for Rev newbies? I realize that
> could be a pretty horrendous effort, but should be useful and doable.
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On May 8, 2009, at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, well, since you're new, *you* have to write "set the cursor to
>> none". The rest of us will continue to use our bad habits. :)
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> Joe Lewis Wilkins
> Architect
> Director of Product Development for GSI
> 760-738-1721
> 
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> preferences:
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  8 16:08:42 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:08:42 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C629CCED.4162B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <411548861906.20090508130842@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Friday, May 8, 2009, 12:13:43 PM, you wrote:

> I confess I made up the "twice as long" part, I don't really have any
> hard numbers on the increase. But as I understand it, it takes longer.
> Though with Rev being as fast as it is, the delay is probably not very
> noticeable most of the time.

I don't have hard numbers for this either, but it does take marginally
longer. And as Jacque said, probably not enough to worry about unless
you're processing a loop.

Another thing that surprised me is that saying "the last word" or "the
first word" also takes longer to execute than "word -1" or "word 1". I
figured "first and "last" would automatically get compiled down to
primitive bytecode, but apparently that's not the case.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri May  8 16:15:43 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:15:43 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
	<56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <6B8995DD-562A-4CBA-A34B-9A0DFA771C5E@cruzio.com>

set the numberFormat to 0.##
put 283.67-150.00-133.67

returns 0
_______

set the numberFormat to 0.##
put 283.67-150.00-133.67>0

returns true
________

put 0 > 0

returns false



On May 8, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On May 8, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:
>
>> It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
>> but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
>> Can u confirm this?
>> What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?
>
>
> You might think that it equals zero, but it doesn't. Try this test:
>
> set the numberformat to "#.00000000000000000"
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>
> you get 0.00000000000002842
>
> I'm guessing it's something to do with the limitations of 32 bit  
> arithmetic.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May  8 16:28:33 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:28:33 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
Message-ID: <4A0495F1.9040503@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

> On May 8, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:
> 
>> It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
>> but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
>> Can u confirm this?
>> What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?
> 
> You might think that it equals zero, but it doesn't. Try this test:
> 
> set the numberformat to "#.00000000000000000"
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
> 
> you get 0.00000000000002842
> 
> I'm guessing it's something to do with the limitations of 32 bit  
> arithmetic.

Ah, the age-old question left unanswered by the designers of microchip 
instruction sets:

Do machines serve human or do humans serve machines?

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-October/067603.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May  8 16:30:55 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:30:55 -0600
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <BB0A6A9C-46AA-438E-B35D-71E2664E8CCD@byu.edu>


On May 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> The biggest problem I am having is figuring out what to search for.  
> The
> language is so unique. So take my question about emptying a field.  
> Be easy
> in an OOP language: empty(Text_field.text) - or something to that  
> effect.
> So I would search on "empty" and get tons of info on the function and
> various examples.. AND user comments.
>
> Now in Revolution it's also easy but completely different then any of
> language. So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing; then  
> "Text
> Entry Field", got nothing; then asked here.
>
> I'm not harping on Revolution. I like it. It's just different from  
> anything
> else on the market. So a FAQ that shows JAVA or C syntax alongside
> Revolution would be a god-send. Just some common functions and  
> procedures.
> The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It  
> would help
> get my head out of OOP into Revolution.

Welcome, Stephen.

<shameless plug>
I teach Revolution classes for complete novices, and I have my  
tutorials online at

http://revolution.byu.edu

Even though you're an experienced programmer, you might find some of  
the tutorials useful, especially the ones on the Revolution scripting  
language, because I describe how basic concepts in the language work-- 
things like variables, literals, if-then, and loops. There's another  
link for Scripting Language Examples, that just shows examples of  
various statements.
</shameless plug>

And please don't stop asking newbie questions. As Jacque said, we love  
them, and they're a lot more fun that some of the esoterica we engage  
in here.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From coiin at rcn.com  Fri May  8 16:30:16 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:30:16 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <6B8995DD-562A-4CBA-A34B-9A0DFA771C5E@cruzio.com>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
	<56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
	<6B8995DD-562A-4CBA-A34B-9A0DFA771C5E@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <69E5E3F8-F24A-4548-821F-CDEADF1B8E55@rcn.com>


On May 8, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> set the numberFormat to 0.##
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>
> returns 0

numberFormat only affects how the number is displayed, it doesn't  
affect the value of the number behind the scenes.




From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 16:38:05 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:38:05 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <EA72171B-3B22-409B-BEFA-359E48CFB46A@cox.net>

Stephen,

The majority of us who use Rev have a background in HyperCard; going  
way back. There are an abundance of inexpensive, used books on that  
topic. Since much of the "basic" rev language is derived from HC,  
reading such a book would be an easy method of cluing you in to Rev's  
language. For HyperCard the language was called HyperTalk. I wouldn't  
be surprised if there were a great deal of commentary regarding same  
on the Web. You might want to Google it and see what you come up with.  
Otherwise, I suppose this list is your best source for that kind of  
help.

Joe  Wilkins

On May 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> The biggest problem I am having is figuring out what to search for.  
> The
> language is so unique. So take my question about emptying a field.  
> Be easy
> in an OOP language: empty(Text_field.text) - or something to that  
> effect.
> So I would search on "empty" and get tons of info on the function and
> various examples.. AND user comments.
>
> Now in Revolution it's also easy but completely different then any of
> language. So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing; then  
> "Text
> Entry Field", got nothing; then asked here.
>
> I'm not harping on Revolution. I like it. It's just different from  
> anything
> else on the market. So a FAQ that shows JAVA or C syntax alongside
> Revolution would be a god-send. Just some common functions and  
> procedures.
> The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It  
> would help
> get my head out of OOP into Revolution.



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri May  8 16:40:20 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:40:20 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <69E5E3F8-F24A-4548-821F-CDEADF1B8E55@rcn.com>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
	<56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
	<6B8995DD-562A-4CBA-A34B-9A0DFA771C5E@cruzio.com>
	<69E5E3F8-F24A-4548-821F-CDEADF1B8E55@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <927C1BB6-9D3C-42DD-B282-C916E8C9C1F2@cruzio.com>

I didn't know that. Thanks.

On May 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On May 8, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>> set the numberFormat to 0.##
>> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>>
>> returns 0
>
> numberFormat only affects how the number is displayed, it doesn't  
> affect the value of the number behind the scenes.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  8 16:44:49 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:44:49 +0300
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <4A0495F1.9040503@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A0495F1.9040503@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A0499C1.6010706@gmail.com>

"Do machines serve human or do humans serve machines? "

According to my wife . . .   :)


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Colin Holgate wrote:
>
>> On May 8, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:
>>
>>> It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
>>> but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
>>> Can u confirm this?
>>> What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?
>>
>> You might think that it equals zero, but it doesn't. Try this test:
>>
>> set the numberformat to "#.00000000000000000"
>> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>>
>> you get 0.00000000000002842
>>
>> I'm guessing it's something to do with the limitations of 32 bit  
>> arithmetic.
>
> Ah, the age-old question left unanswered by the designers of microchip 
> instruction sets:
>
> Do machines serve human or do humans serve machines?
>
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-October/067603.html> 
>
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From bobs at twft.com  Fri May  8 16:56:48 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:56:48 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <69E5E3F8-F24A-4548-821F-CDEADF1B8E55@rcn.com>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
	<56A42104-A646-4DA1-8788-EC26362F6B2D@rcn.com>
	<6B8995DD-562A-4CBA-A34B-9A0DFA771C5E@cruzio.com>
	<69E5E3F8-F24A-4548-821F-CDEADF1B8E55@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <59BBD2E4-1307-45BC-A804-B4DEA13CF401@twft.com>

Then the question becomes, should the IDE be doing math on the real  
number or the displayed number? I vote for the displayed number  
because that means I can have some kind of control over the outcome.  
Clearly if some calculation that comes up with a number cannot be  
compared to a literal for equal/not equal, then all accounting is out  
the window. This cannot be an intended behavior!!?!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On May 8, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>> set the numberFormat to 0.##
>> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>>
>> returns 0
>
> numberFormat only affects how the number is displayed, it doesn't
> affect the value of the number behind the scenes.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 16:56:54 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:56:54 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - Set the cursor to....
Message-ID: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>

I?m gonna preface [the subject] all my questions with ?Newbie? so those who
have no interest in nubs can move on. Trust, I know it can be painful. ;)

I got a card. With a label or button. I want to change the cursor of the
mouse to a hand then back to arrow when the user moves on/off the object.

on mouseEnter
    set the cursor to hand
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
   set the cursor to arrow
end mouseLeave

The above should work? Or am I missing something about the cursor command? I
placed a breakpoint and followed the code. It fires, just doesn?t change the
cursor.

Maybe I?m using mouseEnter/mouseLeave incorrectly?

Thanks for any info.

-Stephen Cox


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 16:58:57 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:58:57 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <BB0A6A9C-46AA-438E-B35D-71E2664E8CCD@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C62A1551.585%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Bookmarked. In fact, let me spend some time going over it now. Might have to
waste less of your time on this list. Thanks.

-Stephen Cox


On 5/8/09 4:30 PM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> 
> Welcome, Stephen.
> 
> <shameless plug>
> I teach Revolution classes for complete novices, and I have my
> tutorials online at
> 
> http://revolution.byu.edu
> 
> Even though you're an experienced programmer, you might find some of
> the tutorials useful, especially the ones on the Revolution scripting
> language, because I describe how basic concepts in the language work--
> things like variables, literals, if-then, and loops. There's another
> link for Scripting Language Examples, that just shows examples of
> various statements.
> </shameless plug>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  8 17:00:09 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 00:00:09 +0300
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <EA72171B-3B22-409B-BEFA-359E48CFB46A@cox.net>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<EA72171B-3B22-409B-BEFA-359E48CFB46A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4A049D59.9010007@gmail.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:

"Be easy in an OOP language"

that begs the question:

Have you ever tried saying "Please can I have a glass of beer?" in 
Bulgarian?

I find it easy, because I speak the language.

However, ask me to clear a field in an OOP language and I be quite 
unable to do it.  :)

Actually, Joe Lewis Wilkins' advice is very good indeed. Coupled with 
the PDF file
that comes with RR, the in-built Documentation, and; speaking as somebody
who works down in the "babyish end" of Runtime Revolution programming:
ME. Ask away, and I will either give you an answer, or, at worst, say that I
don't know. Luckily this is a fantastic list where most contributors are not
going to look down their noses at you, but, more likely, bend over backwards
to help you.

" It's just different from anything else on the market."

Nonsense!  :)  Supercard (which only works on Mac and Windows) is also
descended from Hypercard and uses a programming language that has
evolved from Hypertalk.

Toolbook has also evolved from the same origins (although the relation is
now about as clear as that between an elephant and a hyrax).

What is, maybe, different, is the metaphor of a stack of cards, and the idea
that every object has its own script that appears in its own 
instantiation of
the script editor - unlike, for instance, the long list of object codes in
Visual Basic.  The language is, 99% of the time, a lot less obscure than 
other
programming languages because its predecessor, Hypertalk, was initially
designed for non-programmers. Once you realise that, relax a bit (the
learning curve is not nearly as bad as scaling Mount Everest), and do a bit
of thinking about how the metaphor might work you should get up to
speed relatively quickly; especially if you can silence all the niggles and
doubts leaking in from your knowledge of other programming environments.

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> The majority of us who use Rev have a background in HyperCard; going 
> way back. There are an abundance of inexpensive, used books on that 
> topic. Since much of the "basic" rev language is derived from HC, 
> reading such a book would be an easy method of cluing you in to Rev's 
> language. For HyperCard the language was called HyperTalk. I wouldn't 
> be surprised if there were a great deal of commentary regarding same 
> on the Web. You might want to Google it and see what you come up with. 
> Otherwise, I suppose this list is your best source for that kind of help.
>
> Joe  Wilkins
>
> On May 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem I am having is figuring out what to search for. The
>> language is so unique. So take my question about emptying a field. Be 
>> easy
>> in an OOP language: empty(Text_field.text) - or something to that 
>> effect.
>> So I would search on "empty" and get tons of info on the function and
>> various examples.. AND user comments.
>>
>> Now in Revolution it's also easy but completely different then any of
>> language. So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing; then "Text
>> Entry Field", got nothing; then asked here.
>>
>> I'm not harping on Revolution. I like it. It's just different from 
>> anything
>> else on the market. So a FAQ that shows JAVA or C syntax alongside
>> Revolution would be a god-send. Just some common functions and 
>> procedures.
>> The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It would 
>> help
>> get my head out of OOP into Revolution.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From iowahengst at mac.com  Fri May  8 17:06:50 2009
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:06:50 -0500
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
References: <4A048133.8000102@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <BA28F22E-6E6F-454D-AFA9-081860FF9BE3@mac.com>

If it helps your current issue, using numberFormat as previously  
mentioned and round will give you the false you're expecting....

set the numberFormat to 0.##
put round(283.67-150.00-133.67)>0

However, I've wondered about this myself.... at what point does the  
error show itself? because using

put 10-10>0 in the message box yields false.

put 100-90.3- 9.7>0   yields true

put 100-90.33- 9.67>0   yields false



take care,
randy
-----
On May 8, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:

> hi all!!!
> I've a little math issue!!!
> Try to put this in ur message box:
>
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67>0
>
> It's surely false ('cause 283.67-150.00-133.67 it' equal to 0)
> but Revolution says me it's TRUE!
> Can u confirm this?
> What's the matter? Why this strange behavior?
>
> TY. bye-
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri May  8 17:07:26 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 00:07:26 +0300
Subject: Newbie question - Set the cursor to....
In-Reply-To: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A049F0E.9000103@gmail.com>

Very badly documented:

on mouseEnter
  set the lockCursor to true
  set the cursor to hand
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
  set the cursor to arrow
  set the lockCursor to false
end mouseLeave

Stephen Cox wrote:
> I?m gonna preface [the subject] all my questions with ?Newbie? so those who
> have no interest in nubs can move on. Trust, I know it can be painful. ;)
>
> I got a card. With a label or button. I want to change the cursor of the
> mouse to a hand then back to arrow when the user moves on/off the object.
>
> on mouseEnter
>     set the cursor to hand
> end mouseEnter
>
> on mouseLeave
>    set the cursor to arrow
> end mouseLeave
>
> The above should work? Or am I missing something about the cursor command? I
> placed a breakpoint and followed the code. It fires, just doesn?t change the
> cursor.
>
> Maybe I?m using mouseEnter/mouseLeave incorrectly?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -Stephen Cox
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Fri May  8 17:09:12 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:09:12 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A049D59.9010007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62A17B8.58D%stephen@networkxfla.com>

By the way, I got the printed user guide. Now this "guide" is one of the
best tech books I've seen. Thank you Revolution for using a font I can
actually read without using a magnifier.

-Stephen Cox


On 5/8/09 5:00 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Coupled with 
> the PDF file
> that comes with RR,



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May  8 17:11:06 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:11:06 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <59BBD2E4-1307-45BC-A804-B4DEA13CF401@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C629EDFA.41656%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Then the question becomes, should the IDE be doing math on the real
> number or the displayed number? I vote for the displayed number
> because that means I can have some kind of control over the outcome.
> Clearly if some calculation that comes up with a number cannot be
> compared to a literal for equal/not equal, then all accounting is out
> the window. This cannot be an intended behavior!!?!

As others have said, the issue arises due to the decimal values -- if
integers are used, the comparison works "correctly" (and I'd prefer not to
argue over what is "correct").  I don't know if this is an acceptable
solution but when I use the value function, I get the expected result:

  put value(283.67 - 150 - 133.67) = 0

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May  8 17:11:14 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:11:14 +0200
Subject: Newbie question - Set the cursor to....
In-Reply-To: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <67C1EABD-7BB9-44C3-A0F2-CAA76462B06A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Stephen,

You need to lock the cursor right before or after setting it.  
Otherwise, the cursor will be reset as soon as the handler finishes  
running.

on mouseEnter
    lock cursor
    set the cursor to hand
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
   set the cursor to arrow
   unlock cursor
end mouseLeave

You may need to put the unlock cursor command in multiple places. For  
example, there may be situation where going to a new cards imlplies a  
cursor change.

on preOpenCard
   unlock cursor
end preOpenCard

There is also a property defaultCursor, which might be useful. You can  
find more about it in the docs.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 8 mei 2009, at 22:56, Stephen Cox wrote:

> I?m gonna preface [the subject] all my questions with ?Newbie? so  
> those who
> have no interest in nubs can move on. Trust, I know it can be  
> painful. ;)
>
> I got a card. With a label or button. I want to change the cursor of  
> the
> mouse to a hand then back to arrow when the user moves on/off the  
> object.
>
> on mouseEnter
>    set the cursor to hand
> end mouseEnter
>
> on mouseLeave
>   set the cursor to arrow
> end mouseLeave
>
> The above should work? Or am I missing something about the cursor  
> command? I
> placed a breakpoint and followed the code. It fires, just doesn?t  
> change the
> cursor.
>
> Maybe I?m using mouseEnter/mouseLeave incorrectly?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -Stephen Cox




From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 17:17:51 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:17:51 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - Set the cursor to....
In-Reply-To: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <53AAA146-CE40-46F5-9134-1E225A815945@cox.net>

Stephen,

As the most useful tip I can think of for someone NOT familiar with  
HC, learn to use the messageBox, which you may display by clicking on  
the third icon from the left in the Rev Toolbar. It allows you to test  
bits of code without having to do a lot of development. Importantly,  
it has two modes: a single line and a multi-line. Anytime you wonder  
if you have something that may work, test it in the messageBox. With  
the multi-line mode you can test some pretty advanced scripts. It was  
one of the very best features brought over to Rev from HC. It is  
always available when working in the IDE.

HTH,

Joe Wilkins

On May 8, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> I?m gonna preface [the subject] all my questions with ?Newbie? so  
> those who
> have no interest in nubs can move on. Trust, I know it can be  
> painful. ;)
>
> I got a card. With a label or button. I want to change the cursor of  
> the
> mouse to a hand then back to arrow when the user moves on/off the  
> object.
>
> on mouseEnter
>    set the cursor to hand
> end mouseEnter
>
> on mouseLeave
>   set the cursor to arrow
> end mouseLeave
>
> The above should work? Or am I missing something about the cursor  
> command? I
> placed a breakpoint and followed the code. It fires, just doesn?t  
> change the
> cursor.
>
> Maybe I?m using mouseEnter/mouseLeave incorrectly?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -Stephen Cox



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 17:26:04 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:26:04 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - Set the cursor to....
In-Reply-To: <4A049F0E.9000103@gmail.com>
References: <C62A14D6.580%stephen@networkxfla.com> <4A049F0E.9000103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6D264A2-08ED-413D-83B7-622CD3408DFF@cox.net>

Stephen,

One of the frustrating aspects about both HC and Rev is that the same  
things may be accomplished in a number of different ways. And  
assignments are particularly so, since you have to do things like:

put 20 into tVar instead of what you might expect tVar = 20

Which is one of the reasons the messageBox is so important. Testing,  
testing, testing. The set, put and get concepts are fundamental.

Joe Wilkins

On May 8, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Very badly documented:
>
> on mouseEnter
> set the lockCursor to true
> set the cursor to hand
> end mouseEnter
>
> on mouseLeave
> set the cursor to arrow
> set the lockCursor to false
> end mouseLeave



From david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com  Fri May  8 17:31:58 2009
From: david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com (David Beck)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:31:58 -0700
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <20090508204029.16BDF48B27B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090508204029.16BDF48B27B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A04A4CE.4090809@ministerschedulerpro.com>


We are just starting to play around with building stacks for the Mac. We
have concentrated exclusively on Windows in the past since that is where
the majority of our user base is. However, I have had many requests for
a Mac version of the volunteer scheduling software we produce.

I can't believe how easy it looks like it will be to migrate to Mac. I
tried it the other day and everything just works! It is incredible.
Working with Rev just keeps getting better and better!

My only question is where to store the preferences that we are storing
in the Windows Registry. We do have a mechanism to store preferences,
but there are certain preferences that are system wide, and should not
change based on the user of the computer (e.g. the install path of a
standalone application, etc.). Any advice on where to store these global
system-wide preferences on the Mac?

Richard, I understand you are using a stackfile for preferences. How
exactly do you implement this? That is, what calls do you use to get and
set preferences in the stackfile? Does the folder you mentioned
(specialApplicationFolder("preferences")) change based on the current
user or is it system wide? Also, are there any permissions issues to be
careful about?

Thanks very much in advance for any guidance!

--
David Beck
Rotunda Software
www.ministryschedulerpro.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 17:33:22 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:33:22 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A04A522.4040102@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing;

It's in there, in its own entry. You do have to make sure that the "all" 
category is chosen in the left side column though, otherwise the 
dictionary will filter results to include only those in the selected 
category.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From johncanmail-all at yahoo.it  Fri May  8 17:43:26 2009
From: johncanmail-all at yahoo.it (Giovanni Cannizzaro)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:43:26 +0200
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
Message-ID: <4A04A77E.9060405@yahoo.it>

First of all, thank u for ur reply!
I've senn my question it's flaming, right now!!!

But my last and most important questions are:
in what measure I can trust in Revolution's logical
valutation? Why Revolution replies in this way to
a so simple question? In what condition I've to
expect these strange behaviors?

Hoping u can open my eyes!!!
See u guys!


From bobs at twft.com  Fri May  8 17:49:44 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:49:44 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <C629EDFA.41656%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C629EDFA.41656%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <67EDCDEC-6D52-4E99-9ABF-A5F03DE3243E@twft.com>

Yes, but my point was if someone was creating an Accounting  
application, he would have to know to wrap all of his equations in  
value(), otherwise he could not do any logical comparisons on equated  
values. While your approach works, I think that the better approach is  
for this issue to be addressed in a future update. If there is no  
present way to prevent 283.67 - 150 - 133.67 from equaling  
0.00000000000002842 other than wrapping it in a conversion function,  
then that needs to be addressed. I failed 6th grade math and even I  
know that is wrong! :-)

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Then the question becomes, should the IDE be doing math on the real
>> number or the displayed number? I vote for the displayed number
>> because that means I can have some kind of control over the outcome.
>> Clearly if some calculation that comes up with a number cannot be
>> compared to a literal for equal/not equal, then all accounting is out
>> the window. This cannot be an intended behavior!!?!
>
> As others have said, the issue arises due to the decimal values -- if
> integers are used, the comparison works "correctly" (and I'd prefer  
> not to
> argue over what is "correct").  I don't know if this is an acceptable
> solution but when I use the value function, I get the expected result:
>
>  put value(283.67 - 150 - 133.67) = 0
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 17:55:34 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:55:34 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <00C80CFB-600C-435E-8056-1421E6994073@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <C629CCED.4162B%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4A048467.90405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<00C80CFB-600C-435E-8056-1421E6994073@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A04AA56.7010703@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 8 May 2009, at 20:13, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>>> if literal names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to 
>>>> execute the
>>>> statement because of the additional lookup.
>>> Jacque, is this really true?
>>
>> I confess I made up the "twice as long" part, I don't really have any 
>> hard numbers on the increase.
> 
> I do. :-)
> 
> I've held the same belief as yourself. It looks like we're wrong. On my 
> machine (an intel mac)), 100,000 accesses of a field (get field 
> whatever) takes about 95ms for both quoted and unquoted field names. 
> (The field contains about 140 characters) Actually, on average, using a 
> quoted name takes about 2ms longer (for 100,000 accesses). Accessing the 
> field by its number takes about 85 ms. And by its ID takes about 80ms.

Okay, so you made me test. :) I get approximately what you do, but it 
bounces around so much it's hard to say whether one is faster than the 
other. Sometimes the quoted reference is a little faster, sometimes a 
hair slower, which makes me think there is hardly any difference at all 
in the long run. Whaddya know. Maybe everything else I said is wrong too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May  8 18:00:54 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:00:54 -0600
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A04A4CE.4090809@ministerschedulerpro.com>
References: <20090508204029.16BDF48B27B@mail.runrev.com>
	<4A04A4CE.4090809@ministerschedulerpro.com>
Message-ID: <023E06D9-D630-4791-9113-E671F8F621FC@byu.edu>


On May 8, 2009, at 3:31 PM, David Beck wrote:
> My only question is where to store the preferences that we are storing
> in the Windows Registry. We do have a mechanism to store preferences,
> but there are certain preferences that are system wide, and should not
> change based on the user of the computer (e.g. the install path of a
> standalone application, etc.). Any advice on where to store these  
> global
> system-wide preferences on the Mac?

The common place for storing global preferences or settings is in / 
Library or possibly /Library/Application Support/, depending on the  
type of files you're saving. The latter is what you get with  
specialFolderPath("asup"). Typically developers create their own  
directories in that folder: /Library/Application Support/MyApp, then  
store their files there.
>
>
> Richard, I understand you are using a stackfile for preferences. How
> exactly do you implement this? That is, what calls do you use to get  
> and
> set preferences in the stackfile? Does the folder you mentioned
> (specialApplicationFolder("preferences")) change based on the current
> user or is it system wide? Also, are there any permissions issues to  
> be
> careful about?

specialFolderPath("Preferences") is per user. But there are lots of  
folders you can derive with this function. See Ken Ray's excellent  
compilation at:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm

As for permissions, I think the folders in the /Library directory  
require administrator permissions, but obviously any user can write  
anywhere in their own home directory. Others will have more things to  
add to this, I'm sure.

Regards,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 18:01:55 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:01:55 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hey Jacque,
> 
> Has no one ever put together an FAQ for Rev newbies? I realize that 
> could be a pretty horrendous effort, but should be useful and doable.

In addition to Devin's excellent tutorials, there are also the scripting 
conference stacks:

<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

Anyone who goes through these in order should come out on the other end 
with a good grasp of the basic concepts. These were made for newcomers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 18:13:13 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:13:13 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>

Jacque, So, why can't we have a very conspicuously placed "something"  
that does just what you've done here; lists links to all these great  
resources and "LABEL" them as being for "Newbies". Like in the very  
first paragraph of the Users' Guide, or on a button that appears  
prominently on the Window that appears when we open Revolution. Why  
make  the Newbies hunt and query?

Joe Wilkins

On May 8, 2009, at 3:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Hey Jacque,
>> Has no one ever put together an FAQ for Rev newbies? I realize that  
>> could be a pretty horrendous effort, but should be useful and doable.
>
> In addition to Devin's excellent tutorials, there are also the  
> scripting conference stacks:
>
> <http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>
>
> Anyone who goes through these in order should come out on the other  
> end with a good grasp of the basic concepts. These were made for  
> newcomers.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May  8 18:48:25 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:48:25 +1000
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905081548y67f67084p45a51ae37ff3ec8c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Stephen Cox <stephen at networkxfla.com> wrote:
> The biggest problem I am having is figuring out what to search for. The
> language is so unique. So take my question about emptying a field. Be easy
> in an OOP language: empty(Text_field.text) - or something to that effect.
> So I would search on "empty" and get tons of info on the function and
> various examples.. AND user comments.
>
> Now in Revolution it's also easy but completely different then any of
> language. So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing; then "Text
> Entry Field", got nothing; then asked here.
>
> I'm not harping on Revolution. I like it. It's just different from anything
> else on the market. So a FAQ that shows JAVA or C syntax alongside
> Revolution would be a god-send. Just some common functions and procedures.
> The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It would help
> get my head out of OOP into Revolution.
>

This page might be useful:
<http://www.runrev.com/developers/moving-to-revolution/c-and-java/>

Cheers,
Sarah


From bobs at twft.com  Fri May  8 18:56:12 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:56:12 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <02BD0DB3-79E5-47B2-B6BE-8D03AF7ECB45@twft.com>

Good idea! We could call it "NoobNuggets.com"!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Jacque, So, why can't we have a very conspicuously placed "something"
> that does just what you've done here; lists links to all these great
> resources and "LABEL" them as being for "Newbies". Like in the very
> first paragraph of the Users' Guide, or on a button that appears
> prominently on the Window that appears when we open Revolution. Why
> make  the Newbies hunt and query?
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 8, 2009, at 3:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>>> Hey Jacque,
>>> Has no one ever put together an FAQ for Rev newbies? I realize that
>>> could be a pretty horrendous effort, but should be useful and  
>>> doable.
>>
>> In addition to Devin's excellent tutorials, there are also the
>> scripting conference stacks:
>>
>> <http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>
>>
>> Anyone who goes through these in order should come out on the other
>> end with a good grasp of the basic concepts. These were made for
>> newcomers.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May  8 18:58:53 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:58:53 -0500
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A04A4CE.4090809@ministerschedulerpro.com>
References: <20090508204029.16BDF48B27B@mail.runrev.com>
	<4A04A4CE.4090809@ministerschedulerpro.com>
Message-ID: <4A04B92D.3070309@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Hello David,

I ran into the same problem with Preferences and the Registry when I
started porting my software to Mac.  Since I fully intended to
eventually port my software to Linux as well, I figured it would be a
good idea to move away from using the Registry and any "system-specific"
mechanisms.

I accomplished this by creating a handler that loads a preferences
stack, that is encrypted.  You can view the handler here...



on doLoadPreferences
   -- Save the Default Stack
   put the defaultStack into cDefaultStack

   -- Determine the Location of the Preferences based on the Operating
System
   if platform() = "MacOS" then
      put specialFolderPath("Preferences") & "/MyProgram/" into
myPreferences
   else if platform() = "Win32" then
      put specialFolderPath("0x001a") & "/MyProgram/" into myPreferences
   else
      put specialFolderPath("Home") & "/.MyProgram/" into myPreferences
   end if

   -- Create the Preferences File
   if there is not a folder myPreferences then create folder myPreferences
   put myPreferences & "Preferences.dss" into myPreferences
   if there is not a file myPreferences then
      create invisible stack "myPreferences"
      set the password of stack "myPreferences" to "MyPassword"
      save stack "myPreferences" as myPreferences
   else
      go invisible stack myPreferences
   end if

   -- Some Fine Tuning
   hide stack "myPreferences"
   set the passKey of stack "myPreferences" to "MyPassword"
   set the defaultStack to cDefaultStack
end doLoadPreferences



The hander creates a preference "stack" if needed, and places it in the
appropriate location for each operating system.  It also loads the
Preferences stack into memory, and decrypts it so it can be modified.

Then, I created my own versions of the queryRegistry() and getRegistry()
functions...



function doGetPref prefName
   if there is a stack "myPreferences" then
      put the prefName of stack "myPreferences" into theResult
      return theResult
   else
      return "Error: Preferences Unavailable."
   end if
end doGetPref

function doSetPref prefName,prefData
   if there is a stack "myPreferences" then
      set the prefName of stack "myPreferences" to prefData
      save stack "myPreferences"
      return empty
   else
      return "Error: Preferences Unavailable."
   end if
end doSetPref



This allowed me to stop using the Windows Registry completely, and also
created a fully functional mechanism for creating a Preference file on
any system.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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David Beck wrote:
> 
> We are just starting to play around with building stacks for the Mac. We
> have concentrated exclusively on Windows in the past since that is where
> the majority of our user base is. However, I have had many requests for
> a Mac version of the volunteer scheduling software we produce.
> 
> I can't believe how easy it looks like it will be to migrate to Mac. I
> tried it the other day and everything just works! It is incredible.
> Working with Rev just keeps getting better and better!
> 
> My only question is where to store the preferences that we are storing
> in the Windows Registry. We do have a mechanism to store preferences,
> but there are certain preferences that are system wide, and should not
> change based on the user of the computer (e.g. the install path of a
> standalone application, etc.). Any advice on where to store these global
> system-wide preferences on the Mac?
> 
> Richard, I understand you are using a stackfile for preferences. How
> exactly do you implement this? That is, what calls do you use to get and
> set preferences in the stackfile? Does the folder you mentioned
> (specialApplicationFolder("preferences")) change based on the current
> user or is it system wide? Also, are there any permissions issues to be
> careful about?
> 
> Thanks very much in advance for any guidance!
> 
> -- 
> David Beck
> Rotunda Software
> www.ministryschedulerpro.com
> 
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri May  8 19:17:05 2009
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:17:05 -0700
Subject: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
In-Reply-To: <20090507170003.EC97E48AE58@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090507170003.EC97E48AE58@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42E150C6-F574-4D5F-A172-D9A60629D890@mac.com>

Thanks Phil and Bjoernke!

That's what I needed..."send" command. Seems so obvious when you see  
someone else explain it :-)

Now, that I understand send, here's my dilemma. What I'm trying to  
create is a little app that allows a teacher in the classroom to push  
out a web site they have loaded in their "teacher" browser out to to  
all 32 student laptops in their classroom. I thought this would be a  
perfect implementation for revBrowser, a custom web browser.  I  
remember in the past struggling with Rev and opening sockets to try to  
get two Rev stacks to talk to each other. I never had very much  
success with that process so I thought I would try to keep it real  
basic and utilize web sharing and writing out a text file with the  
teacher's current web site address and time stamp to the local "web  
sites" folder. The client (student) computers would check that text  
file every 5 seconds, continually, and then if the time stamp is  
different from the last web address and time stamp, load the new web  
address in the client (student) browser.  The key word in those run on  
sentences is "continually."

In the examples shared, the scripts handlers are opencard and  
mousedown. They only run, essentially, one time through and after the  
time stamp is different, the script would end.

I started to mess with an idle handler, but that gets messy real  
quick. Is what I'm describing possible? To have a script run  
continually in the background over and over?  Or, maybe I'm going at  
this custom teacher to student web browser thing all wrong? Any ideas  
greatly appreciated!

Thank you!

John Patten


On May 7, 2009, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>
>   5. Re: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
>      (Phil Davis)
>
>  12. Re: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
>      (Bj?rnke von Gierke)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:31:52 -0700
> From: Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net>
> Subject: Re: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <4A028058.9010800 at pdslabs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> John Patten wrote:
>> Hi All!
>>
>> I'm making a little web browser client that needs to check the
>> contents of a file on a web server. It needs to be able to do this
>> every 5 seconds or so in the background, and then if the contents
>> changes in the last line of the file it is checking, it starts  
>> another
>> process in the background. Can this be done in Rev? Would I use two
>> stacks, one as the browser and one with the repeat loop?
>>
>> I'm at a loss for what this might look like in a script?
>
> Hi John,
>
> Are you familiar with the "send" command? If not, I think you're about
> to be... ;o)
>
>
> -- prep: since you're looking for a change in data values,
> -- you need to store its initial value so you have something
> -- to compare to
> global gOriginalData
>
>
> -- and the data check has to be put into motion:
> on openCard
>   -- store initial value
>   put url "http://my.website.com/targetfile.txt" into gOriginalData
>   -- put the data check into motion
>   send "checkWebFile" to me in 5 secs
> end openCard
>
>
> -- the data check
> on checkWebFile
>   -- get fresh copy of the data
>   put url "http://my.website.com/targetfile.txt" into tCurrData
>   if (last line of tCurrData <> last line of gOriginalData) then
>      send ("startOtherProcess" && tCurrData) to me in 1 sec
>   else -- data hasn't changed, so schedule another check
>      send "checkWebFile" to me in 5 secs
>   end if
> end checkWebFile
>
>
> -- the other background process
> on startOtherProcess pChangedData
>   -- do your other stuff here
> end startOtherProcess
>
>
> The "send... in" construct 'disconnects' the calling and called  
> handlers
> from each other, so the calling one can finish executing before the
> called one starts. And by saying "in 5 secs", you insert idle time  
> when
> the UI can be refreshed & interacted with. It keeps the user from  
> being
> locked out of the UI due to continuous running of code you might  
> have if
> you tried using a repeat loop for data checks.
>
> Hopefully this will get you started.
>
>>
>> Thanks in Advance!
>>
>>
>> John Patten
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:20 +0200
> From: Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <B4A2FC5F-2523-4D98-8818-784299B144AB at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> I suggest to use the "put" command with the "url" keyword, using a
> "send in time" structure:
>
> on mouseUp
>   checkWebsite ""
> end mouseUp
>
> on checkWebsite thePrev
>   put line -1 of url "http://yoursite.com/yourfile" into theCurrent
>   if thePrev <> theCurrent then
>     --do your stuff here, it changed!
>   end if
>   send checkWebsite theCurrent to me in 4.5 seconds
>   --slightly less then 5 seconds, assuming the download of the whole
> file takes ca. 0.5 seconds
> end checkWebsite
>
>
> Be aware that clicking the button twice would have your code execute
> twice every 4.5 seconds, so maybe you should check the pendingMessages
> somehwere. The docu on that property also shows on how to stop the
> repeating.
>
> On 7 May 2009, at 05:43, John Patten wrote:
>
>> Hi All!
>>
>> I'm making a little web browser client that needs to check the
>> contents of a file on a web server. It needs to be able to do this
>> every 5 seconds or so in the background, and then if the contents
>> changes in the last line of the file it is checking, it starts
>> another process in the background. Can this be done in Rev? Would I
>> use two stacks, one as the browser and one with the repeat loop?
>>
>> I'm at a loss for what this might look like in a script?
>>
>> Thanks in Advance!
>>
>>
>> John Patten
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> End of use-revolution Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15
> **********************************************



From bobs at twft.com  Fri May  8 19:41:08 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:41:08 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A049D59.9010007@gmail.com>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<EA72171B-3B22-409B-BEFA-359E48CFB46A@cox.net>
	<4A049D59.9010007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBD32E18-7C8D-4F26-A0E2-8402ECD330DD@twft.com>

Actually, I would like to see someone bend over backwards and THEN  
look down their noses. Now THAT would be entertainment!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 8, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Actually, Joe Lewis Wilkins' advice is very good indeed. Coupled with
> the PDF file
> that comes with RR, the in-built Documentation, and; speaking as  
> somebody
> who works down in the "babyish end" of Runtime Revolution programming:
> ME. Ask away, and I will either give you an answer, or, at worst,  
> say that I
> don't know. Luckily this is a fantastic list where most contributors  
> are not
> going to look down their noses at you, but, more likely, bend over  
> backwards
> to help you.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May  8 20:38:57 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:38:57 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1931565076437.20090508173857@ahsoftware.net>

Joe-

Friday, May 8, 2009, 3:13:13 PM, you wrote:

> Jacque, So, why can't we have a very conspicuously placed "something"
> that does just what you've done here; lists links to all these great
> resources and "LABEL" them as being for "Newbies". Like in the very
> first paragraph of the Users' Guide, or on a button that appears  
> prominently on the Window that appears when we open Revolution. Why
> make  the Newbies hunt and query?

...and *WHY* isn't there a link on the runrev site to the scripting
conferences? WHY do you have to know where they are in order to get to
them (and then type in the secret hidden url)?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  8 20:49:58 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905081749080.7356@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I have a few such links on my mostly neglected blog:

http://revined.blogspot.com

Hope I didn't miss anybody!  If I did, let me know!

Judy

On Fri, 8 May 2009, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Jacque, So, why can't we have a very conspicuously placed "something" that 
> does just what you've done here; lists links to all these great resources and 
> "LABEL" them as being for "Newbies". Like in the very first paragraph of the 
> Users' Guide, or on a button that appears prominently on the Window that 
> appears when we open Revolution. Why make  the Newbies hunt and query?


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May  8 20:50:53 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:50:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905081750380.7356@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Oh, but mine's for normal people ;-P  Not programmers.

Judy



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  8 20:55:46 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:55:46 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <1931565076437.20090508173857@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
	<1931565076437.20090508173857@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <D727FFA9-B1F7-47E5-B84C-B7DFD15E8B50@cox.net>

Mark:

Or even that there have been such conferences and may be more in the  
future!

Joe Wilkins

On May 8, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> ...and *WHY* isn't there a link on the runrev site to the scripting
> conferences? WHY do you have to know where they are in order to get to
> them (and then type in the secret hidden url)?
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  8 21:53:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:53:38 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com>	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4A04E222.3070402@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Jacque, So, why can't we have a very conspicuously placed "something" 
> that does just what you've done here; lists links to all these great 
> resources and "LABEL" them as being for "Newbies".

Yeah, RR needs to do that. In the meantime, I'd be happy to compile a 
list and post it to my site. If anyone wants their links included, 
please let me know offlist. I've already got Devin's and the scripting 
conferences (which are already mirrored on my site) and I'll prowl 
Judy's links too. Emphasis should be on info for new Revolutionaries.

Maybe RR can post a link to my links...even better, they can have my 
list when I'm done if they want it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Sat May  9 02:35:23 2009
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:35:23 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A04E222.3070402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62A01BE.568%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A048B82.6010309@hyperactivesw.com> 
	<35699700-4B70-4224-AF8C-99A920055110@cox.net>
	<4A04ABD3.1000203@hyperactivesw.com> 
	<45DF9A0A-C036-4944-9081-ED4AEC7919CB@cox.net>
	<4A04E222.3070402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <325413300905082335j7fe19af9s9cb1596ac7f26db@mail.gmail.com>

I actually think that Rev is easier for newbies than converts. For
those of us that spend/spent a great deal of time in C/Java/C++/C#,
Rev is non-intuitive until you swap your old brain out.

I found that if I typed how I would explain what I was doing to my
wife (a non-programmer) it helped tremendously. The keywords would
often be incorrect but thats what the dictionary is for. But the
structure of what I was trying to do was closer to the language than
for(i=1;i < z;i++){ .... }.

The other side of my argument is that Rev is superficially too simple,
it hides the fact that its a serious language that can do almost
anything that any other language can do. Thats where all of the
reading becomes vital.

The only real solution is coding. Thats where you learn what works,
how it works and whether you want to do it that way. Also, the message
box is your Yoda, it allows you to see if your idea of how it works
really does!

The learning curve is both shorter and longer than you expect!

Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 242 0911




On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>>
>> Jacque, So, why can't we have a very conspicuously placed "something" that
>> does just what you've done here; lists links to all these great resources
>> and "LABEL" them as being for "Newbies".
>
> Yeah, RR needs to do that. In the meantime, I'd be happy to compile a list
> and post it to my site. If anyone wants their links included, please let me
> know offlist. I've already got Devin's and the scripting conferences (which
> are already mirrored on my site) and I'll prowl Judy's links too. Emphasis
> should be on info for new Revolutionaries.
>
> Maybe RR can post a link to my links...even better, they can have my list
> when I'm done if they want it.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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>


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat May  9 02:44:38 2009
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:44:38 +0800
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <4A04792B.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A04792B.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70905082344o68394a5aw7c3d13bdccec484c@mail.gmail.com>

There is a gotcha to be aware of here.

Checking if a previously unused variable is empty returns false. That
has caught me out a few times.  I wonder why the answer is false. I
think the engine interprets the variable as a string instead, in the
same way that 'answer hello' without quotes around hello works.


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  9 02:59:08 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:59:08 +0100
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
Message-ID: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of Carla 
Schroder's great  "Linux Cookbook"

Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a kitchen 
with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it.  It comes with a 400 
page guide detailing the function of every one.

We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a cook.  
His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet.  Where does he 
start?

What he has is a superb kitchen manual.  What he wants is a cookbook, with 
a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers 
page):

"To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects, rather 
than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function to 
determine which object originally received the message being handled.

"To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in any 
object that?s available in your a stack, then use the insert script 
command to add that object to the hierarchy."

So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like "to empty a 
field......"    "to check for a variable.....".  "to make elements in a 
list field clickable...."  "to change the mouse to a hand while 
hovering..."

Without this, learning becomes a Zen like experience.  You know the story 
of the young man wanting to learn swordsmanship?  He enrols with a master, 
and the first day when expecting to meet for a lesson, is astonished to be 
hit violently over the head with a stick.  His master has sneaked up on 
him.  As time goes by the attacks continue and become more and more 
devious.  One day he is about to enter a room and something makes him 
pause.  His master emerges from behind the door and bows deeply.

Its OK.... but a recipe book is easier.

Peter


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat May  9 03:04:55 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:55 +0800
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com> <4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com> <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, the proable reason no one found my "QUESTION.rev" stack is that nobody
> wanted to type a taboo name.  :)
>

I believe the real reason is that you uploaded your stack to the OLD
RevOnline whilst those that did the searching did it on the NEW RevOnline.

Not only has the RevOnline interface been vastly updated in 3.5 but my
understanding is that the whole back-end is new too. Nothing on the OLD
RevOnline exists on the NEW RevOnline unless individuals have intentionally
uploaded their old content using Rev 3.5 to get it onto the NEW RevOnline.

Rev 3.5 can't upload or look into the OLD RevOnline and Rev 3.0 or earlier
can't upload or look into the NEW RevOnline.

I may be wrong, but it's what you get for being part of the revolution ;-)


From johncanmail-all at yahoo.it  Sat May  9 03:23:32 2009
From: johncanmail-all at yahoo.it (Giovanni Cannizzaro)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:23:32 +0200
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
Message-ID: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>

After re-read all ur replies to my question my doubts are still there.
I don't understand why a simple math calculation beetween 
not-in-other-way-calculated
numbers can generate round problems.

Using the value function (i've tried put value(283.67-150.00-133.67)>0 
instead of
put (283.67-150.00-133.67)>0 as suggested by Scott Rossi) temporarily 
solve my
problems but I think it's a Revolution bug so I make my bug-report
'caus i'm a jolly good fellow!!!

Bye-


From mickclns at mac.com  Sat May  9 03:29:27 2009
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 03:29:27 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <20090509005106.F019F48B2F3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090509005106.F019F48B2F3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9D7AFD8E-B382-48A2-9C55-9C57366C5C26@mac.com>

Until the matter is finished being debated and a plan of action is  
decided on, a function could be used such as

function numsAreEqual n1, n2, epsilon
    return abs(n1 - n2) < epsilon
end numsAreEqual

If your testing of the immediate comparison indicates to you that  
there are no roundoff problems, then use =, otherwise use this  
function or your own variant with an epsilon that seems prudent.

> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:49:44 -0700
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> Subject: Re: Math issue, isn't it?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <67EDCDEC-6D52-4E99-9ABF-A5F03DE3243E at twft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Yes, but my point was if someone was creating an Accounting
> application, he would have to know to wrap all of his equations in
> value(), otherwise he could not do any logical comparisons on equated
> values. While your approach works, I think that the better approach is
> for this issue to be addressed in a future update. If there is no
> present way to prevent 283.67 - 150 - 133.67 from equaling
> 0.00000000000002842 other than wrapping it in a conversion function,
> then that needs to be addressed. I failed 6th grade math and even I
> know that is wrong! :-)
>
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
>
> On May 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>>> Then the question becomes, should the IDE be doing math on the real
>>> number or the displayed number? I vote for the displayed number
>>> because that means I can have some kind of control over the outcome.
>>> Clearly if some calculation that comes up with a number cannot be
>>> compared to a literal for equal/not equal, then all accounting is  
>>> out
>>> the window. This cannot be an intended behavior!!?!
>>
>> As others have said, the issue arises due to the decimal values -- if
>> integers are used, the comparison works "correctly" (and I'd prefer
>> not to
>> argue over what is "correct").  I don't know if this is an acceptable
>> solution but when I use the value function, I get the expected  
>> result:
>>
>>  put value(283.67 - 150 - 133.67) = 0
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>>
>>
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>
>
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 05:12:24 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:24 +0300
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A0548F8.4090503@gmail.com>

Well, I don't know, but most of my programming ideas come
as intuitive flashes:

"learning becomes a Zen like experience"

when all the reasoning has fled and my mind runs screaming
through the halls of . . . Oh, sorry, I didn't know we had to
pretend that computer programming was a logical 'science'
that could be learnt by ostension.  :)

A cookbook would be a jolly good idea (may be  Jilly Cooper
could be hired . . .), but, as with any other manual of any type,
would only get the learner to a certain stage: of course if that
stage is the one where the learner begins to intuit what is
needed then the cookbook will have done a far better job
than most manuals.

The only problem about 'systematic' is whose 'systematic' do
you mean; taxonomy has always been notoriously
subjective.

Of course if any one wants to go to work on my moribund
RunRev learning wiki . . .

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of Carla 
> Schroder's great  "Linux Cookbook"
>
> Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a kitchen 
> with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it.  It comes with a 400 
> page guide detailing the function of every one.
>
> We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a cook.  
> His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet.  Where does he 
> start?
>
> What he has is a superb kitchen manual.  What he wants is a cookbook, with 
> a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers 
> page):
>
> "To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects, rather 
> than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function to 
> determine which object originally received the message being handled.
>
> "To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in any 
> object that?s available in your a stack, then use the insert script 
> command to add that object to the hierarchy."
>
> So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like "to empty a 
> field......"    "to check for a variable.....".  "to make elements in a 
> list field clickable...."  "to change the mouse to a hand while 
> hovering..."
>
> Without this, learning becomes a Zen like experience.  You know the story 
> of the young man wanting to learn swordsmanship?  He enrols with a master, 
> and the first day when expecting to meet for a lesson, is astonished to be 
> hit violently over the head with a stick.  His master has sneaked up on 
> him.  As time goes by the attacks continue and become more and more 
> devious.  One day he is about to enter a room and something makes him 
> pause.  His master emerges from behind the door and bows deeply.
>
> Its OK.... but a recipe book is easier.
>
> Peter
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 05:17:27 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:17:27 +0300
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071157h51344blf44c52f975d18c22@mail.gmail.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>

Sorry, but I am part of the revolution (if, admittedly, only the
boy who throws eggs at the Tsar) as I am signed, and paid-up for the
conference, and so, in line to receive "4"; meanwhile, tootling around
with 2.6.1 I am, of necessity, confined to the old revOnline.

Of course, anybody who stopped a minute and thought, would
have kept old versions of RR for "magical moments" such as these.

I have RR 1 - 2.0.1 tucked away for various reasons; and from time
to time they all prove useful.

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> So, the proable reason no one found my "QUESTION.rev" stack is that nobody
>> wanted to type a taboo name.  :)
>>
>>     
>
> I believe the real reason is that you uploaded your stack to the OLD
> RevOnline whilst those that did the searching did it on the NEW RevOnline.
>
> Not only has the RevOnline interface been vastly updated in 3.5 but my
> understanding is that the whole back-end is new too. Nothing on the OLD
> RevOnline exists on the NEW RevOnline unless individuals have intentionally
> uploaded their old content using Rev 3.5 to get it onto the NEW RevOnline.
>
> Rev 3.5 can't upload or look into the OLD RevOnline and Rev 3.0 or earlier
> can't upload or look into the NEW RevOnline.
>
> I may be wrong, but it's what you get for being part of the revolution ;-)
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From psahores at free.fr  Sat May  9 07:11:27 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:11:27 +0200
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <9B5A813E-E246-4A71-9FF8-6446363D49C3@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<23401344.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<A97449C4-A2E4-4267-B2CA-FDDCE34ECCED@free.fr>
	<9B5A813E-E246-4A71-9FF8-6446363D49C3@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <2D35C49A-9FC7-4CC5-AFE2-C9D7EFA261BF@free.fr>

Hi Ken,

About the subject, see this (Linux only) :

http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/insead/index_en.html

Kind Regards,
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 6 mai 09 ? 20:12, Kennan Ray a ?crit :

> Excuse my ignorance, but how do you launch a stack with an "rc2  
> shell script"?
>
> And would doing so still display my GUI as if it were a standalone?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
>
> On May 6, 2009, at 3:34 AM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
>
>> In my experience, this slowness has mainly to do with X11. Any MC  
>> engine (need confirmation for Rev) started in the background in  
>> launching a service stack via an rc2 shell script will run faster  
>> under Linux than the service stack can run under windows or OS X in  
>> graphical mode.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>>
>>
>> Le 6 mai 09 ? 09:20, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :
>>
>>>
>>> Mandriva isn't Slackware based of course, didn't mean to give that
>>> impression.  So that would be a test of a third branch of the tree.
>>> -- 
>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/App-on-Linux---really-slow...-any-ideas-why--tp23393374p23401344.html
>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
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>>
>>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat May  9 08:23:48 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 08:23:48 -0400
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <4A04A522.4040102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A04A522.4040102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <ED0759F2-BB71-4616-9968-1AD7332FEFA9@mac.com>

> On May 8, 2009, at 5:33 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Stephen Cox wrote:
>> So I search the Dictionary on "empty", got nothing;
>
> It's in there, in its own entry. You do have to make sure that the  
> "all" category is chosen in the left side column though, otherwise  
> the dictionary will filter results to include only those in the  
> selected category.
>
> -- 

Don't forget to also use the "See Also" section for each Dictionary  
entry. Click on any word in that list to jump to that definition.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html



From david at architex.tv  Sat May  9 10:08:01 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:08:01 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: help with "EditFieldText"
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905090708s13c0ff72je17f46c41ed873fa@mail.gmail.com>

I have a datagrid form, with a custom row template. I am having problems
with a field that will not update the dgData when edited. The others work
fine and their properties (ie "autotab" seem to be identical). I have named
the fields the same as the keys in dgData. Having problems debuging, as the
debugger is not playing well with the behaviors.

on mouseDoubleUp pMouseBtnNum
>     if pMouseBtnNum is 1 then
>         if the dgProps["allow editing"] of the dgControl of me then
>             put the long id of the target into targetObject
>             put the short name of targetObject into theKey
>             put the dgIndex of me into lineNum
>
>             switch
>                 case theKey is among the items of "title,ruggedID,helpURL"
>                     EditFieldText targetObject, lineNum, theKey
>                     break
>             end switch
>         end if
>     end if
>     pass mouseDoubleUp
> end mouseDoubleUp
>

Any idea what to look for?


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat May  9 10:29:04 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:29:04 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Rev Mentor Top Ten - video, charts, analyzer stack
Message-ID: <423B7024-3EDB-4DA8-BF32-375FA14A86F1@me.com>

Revolutionaries,

Here, friends, is a link to the Rev Mentor Top Ten:

    http://www.revmentor.com/revolution-top-ten-video-charts-and-analyzer-4

It's an analysis of the emails posted to this list. When you click on  
that link above, you will have access to the following:

1. Some charts showing the top ten topics, authors, terms
2. A video commentary on the posts and some of the statistics (mostly  
it's just me mouthing off)
3. The stack I use to do the analysis. Some people use this to read  
the week's postings to the list.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Host of Rev Mentor
http://www.revmentor.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat May  9 10:31:57 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:31:57 +0800
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com> <4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com> <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Of course, anybody who stopped a minute and thought, would
> have kept old versions of RR for "magical moments" such as these.
>

Which of course is a lot less time than what is wasted looking for a stack
in the wrong RevOnline. I can't keep up with what OS most List members are
on much less which version of Rev they might be using. Others on this List
will undoubtedly have much better memories than I, but it may be just easier
for anyone announcing that they've uploaded something to RevOnline to kindly
include whether it's to OLD RevOnline or NEW RevOnline, that way we can
crank up the old version of Rev if necessary rather than waste time in the
wrong RevOnline or incorrectly concluding that the NEW RevOnline still has a
few wrinkles to iron out.

Just a thought.


From coiin at rcn.com  Sat May  9 10:54:08 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:54:08 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>
References: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <8A13A8FD-04E8-4C44-9F71-53BE0183E596@rcn.com>


On May 9, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:

> Using the value function (i've tried put  
> value(283.67-150.00-133.67)>0 instead of
> put (283.67-150.00-133.67)>0 as suggested by Scott Rossi)  
> temporarily solve my
> problems but I think it's a Revolution bug so I make my bug-report
> 'caus i'm a jolly good fellow!!!

It's not a Revolution bug, it's a system or computer math processor  
limitation. The exact same problem shows in Flash and Director for  
example.




From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  9 11:03:42 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:03:42 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com> <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>

Wouldn't it make even more sense to have a prominent link on the New  
RevOnLine to the Old RevOnLine? And vice versa? But that's too obvious!

Joe Wilkins

On May 9, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course, anybody who stopped a minute and thought, would
>> have kept old versions of RR for "magical moments" such as these.
>>
>
> Which of course is a lot less time than what is wasted looking for a  
> stack
> in the wrong RevOnline. I can't keep up with what OS most List  
> members are
> on much less which version of Rev they might be using. Others on  
> this List
> will undoubtedly have much better memories than I, but it may be  
> just easier
> for anyone announcing that they've uploaded something to RevOnline  
> to kindly
> include whether it's to OLD RevOnline or NEW RevOnline, that way we  
> can
> crank up the old version of Rev if necessary rather than waste time  
> in the
> wrong RevOnline or incorrectly concluding that the NEW RevOnline  
> still has a
> few wrinkles to iron out.
>
> Just a thought.



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat May  9 11:10:04 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:10:04 +0200
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
Message-ID: <1EA3BE08-8DB1-4F53-AE2C-A8762DDCE293@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

Jacqueline,

Did I correctly understand what you put in your recent post :

> And if literal
> names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to execute the
> statement because of the additional lookup.

Do you mean that the statement :

If field "MyField" = "YES" then .......

executes twice as fast as :

If field MyField = "YES" then .......

If this is true, then I am glad I got into the habit
of  "quoting" all my field and button statements.

It also means that my scripts execute at twice
the speed of light  :>)

Thanks for the info.

-Francis

"This is not your real life ! It is only a test run.
If it had been your real life, you would have
been given much better instructions !"




From alex at tweedly.net  Sat May  9 11:31:33 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:31:33 +0100
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
Message-ID: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>


I have a line of script that *should* have read
    if the last line of t is empty then delete line -1 of t
but I mis-typed it, and instead of the '1' key, I hit the adjacent key, 
and got a back quote (`), so I had
    if the last line of t is empty then delete line -` of t


This script compiled OK, but obviously did the wrong thing (I'm not sure 
what it did - I can't find the back-quote in the dctionary).

Shouldn't this be a compile error ?
Or is it a missing dictionary entry, and the line has some real but 
obscure interpretation ?

-- Alex.


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat May  9 11:54:33 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:54:33 +0100
Subject: Another "should be an error" ?
Message-ID: <4A05A739.3090703@tweedly.net>


Here's what my script *should* have said
> repeat while the last char of temp is CR
>    delete the last char of temp
> end repeat
and if it has done, then it would have worked. But by mistake, I typed in
> repeat while the last chr of temp is CR
>    delete the last char of temp
> end repeat
(Note the missing in the first line .... 'last chr' instead of 'last char' )

which doesn't ever delete that last character.

Shouldn't this have been a compilation error ?

-- Alex.



From david at architex.tv  Sat May  9 11:57:43 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:43 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: help with "EditFieldText"
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905090708s13c0ff72je17f46c41ed873fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905090708s13c0ff72je17f46c41ed873fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905090857u4567c16en6c0822b1036a1ffe@mail.gmail.com>

Update - started working after quitting Rev and coming back to work - ah the
magical wonders of a cup of tea :)

2009/5/9 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>

> I have a datagrid form, with a custom row template. I am having problems
> with a field that will not update the dgData when edited. The others work
> fine and their properties (ie "autotab" seem to be identical). I have named
> the fields the same as the keys in dgData. Having problems debuging, as the
> debugger is not playing well with the behaviors.
>
> on mouseDoubleUp pMouseBtnNum
>>     if pMouseBtnNum is 1 then
>>         if the dgProps["allow editing"] of the dgControl of me then
>>             put the long id of the target into targetObject
>>             put the short name of targetObject into theKey
>>             put the dgIndex of me into lineNum
>>
>>             switch
>>                 case theKey is among the items of "title,ruggedID,helpURL"
>>                     EditFieldText targetObject, lineNum, theKey
>>                     break
>>             end switch
>>         end if
>>     end if
>>     pass mouseDoubleUp
>> end mouseDoubleUp
>>
>
> Any idea what to look for?
>


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat May  9 12:05:51 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:05:51 +0800
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com> <4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com> <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905090905w6fef47a2n15657903a208e8f4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Wouldn't it make even more sense to have a prominent link on the New
> RevOnLine to the Old RevOnLine? And vice versa? But that's too obvious!
>

Ah I don't think it's that easy.

New RevOnline doesn't run in Rev 3.0 or earlier, so anyone going to
RevOnline in Rev 2.6.1 will get Old RevOnline. Having a link to New
RevOnline is pointless if they don't have Rev 3.5.

The same could be said for those on Rev 3.5 who don't have an older copy,
but for those who do have old copies of Rev, whilst a link in New RevOnline
to Old RevOnline might be workable I don't see how this is going to prevent
wasted time looking for stacks in the wrong RevOnline if the creator doesn't
announce which particular RevOnline they've uploaded to.

To me it's like stating "I've made an OS X app" vs "I've made a Leopard
app". One will have a bunch of Jaguar and Tiger users wasting time trying to
figure out why your app doesn't work. Reminds me of recent thread about
speaking accurately but still being ambiguous.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 12:09:23 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:09:23 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905090905w6fef47a2n15657903a208e8f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com> <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
	<f73a98160905090905w6fef47a2n15657903a208e8f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905090909y5d3ea354n34726793df056374@mail.gmail.com>

Like some politicians we have known.


2009/5/9 Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>

> Reminds me of recent thread about
> speaking accurately but still being ambiguous
>



-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sat May  9 12:21:00 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:21:00 +0000
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
Message-ID: <00036524.4A05C98B@the-office.us>

Hi,

a cookbook would be a good idea not only for beginners.

Btw.: I am using THE SCRIPTER'S SCRAPBOOK from Flexible Learning as a cookbook. I am collecting all code snippets, i find usefull, in it.
There are so many tricks, hints and code sample in this uselist, which i might need some time. So the SSBK is ideal for that.


Regards,

Matthias



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions) (09-Mai-2009 9:02)
From:    Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of Carla 
> Schroder's great  "Linux Cookbook"
> 
> Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a kitchen 
> 
> with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it.  It comes with a 400 
> page guide detailing the function of every one.
> 
> We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a cook.  
> His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet.  Where does he 
> start?
> 
> What he has is a superb kitchen manual.  What he wants is a cookbook, with 
> a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers 
> page):
> 
> "To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects, rather 
> than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function to 
> determine which object originally received the message being handled.
> 
> "To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in any 
> object that?s available in your a stack, then use the insert script 
> command to add that object to the hierarchy."
> 
> So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like "to empty a 
> field......"    "to check for a variable.....".  "to make elements in a 
> list field clickable...."  "to change the mouse to a hand while 
> hovering..."
> 
> Without this, learning becomes a Zen like experience.  You know the story 
> of the young man wanting to learn swordsmanship?  He enrols with a master, 
> and the first day when expecting to meet for a lesson, is astonished to be 
> hit violently over the head with a stick.  His master has sneaked up on 
> him.  As time goes by the attacks continue and become more and more 
> devious.  One day he is about to enter a room and something makes him 
> pause.  His master emerges from behind the door and bows deeply.
> 
> Its OK.... but a recipe book is easier.
> 
> Peter
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 12:27:45 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:27:45 -0500
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <1EA3BE08-8DB1-4F53-AE2C-A8762DDCE293@wanadoo.fr>
References: <1EA3BE08-8DB1-4F53-AE2C-A8762DDCE293@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4A05AF01.8060601@hyperactivesw.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Paris,
> 
> Jacqueline,
> 
> Did I correctly understand what you put in your recent post :
> 
>> And if literal
>> names are not quoted, the engine takes twice as long to execute the
>> statement because of the additional lookup.
> 
> Do you mean that the statement :
> 
> If field "MyField" = "YES" then .......
> 
> executes twice as fast as :
> 
> If field MyField = "YES" then .......

Yes, that is what I meant. But Dave Cragg disproved my theory, since 
apparently the engine works at the same speed in either case (but I am 
still having trouble believing it; it seems counter-intuitive.) I think 
it is better scripting form to quote literals in any case though. It 
saves misinterpretation later on when you re-read your scripts, and in 
some cases could prevent the engine from mis-interpreting your literal 
values as variable names.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Sat May  9 12:29:32 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:29:32 -0600
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7BCA1C11-50B9-45E0-9B62-B13BB62AC821@byu.edu>

On May 9, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of  
> Carla
> Schroder's great  "Linux Cookbook"
>
> Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a  
> kitchen
> with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it.  It comes with a 400
> page guide detailing the function of every one.
>
> We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a  
> cook.
> His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet.  Where  
> does he
> start?
>
> What he has is a superb kitchen manual.  What he wants is a  
> cookbook, with
> a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers
> page):
>
> "To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects,  
> rather
> than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function  
> to
> determine which object originally received the message being handled.
>
> "To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in  
> any
> object that?s available in your a stack, then use the insert script
> command to add that object to the hierarchy."
>
> So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like "to  
> empty a
> field......"    "to check for a variable.....".  "to make elements  
> in a
> list field clickable...."  "to change the mouse to a hand while
> hovering..."

Hi Peter,

We've had discussions like this on the list before, and a lot of the  
answers are something like: "It's there, you just need to know where  
to find it." That is still true today, although Rev 3.0 and 3.5 have  
gone a long way in making that material easier to find. Here's a short  
list I recommend:

For Rev 3.x

Resource Center > Sample Scripts
	This is in effect what you're talking about, isn't it? As I  
understand it, it's a reworking of Jeanne DeVoto's original "cookbook"  
examples that came with Rev 1.x through 2.5(?)

Help > Revolution Search Engine > Web Database
	This overlooked and under-appreciated tool by the late, great Eric  
Chatonet lets you search a whole list of great 3rd party Revolution  
sites.
	For instance, on my web site I have a page with simple examples at
	http://revolution.byu.edu/transcript/LectureExamples.php
	All of the other sites have many very good ones as well.
	
V. 3.5 gives us a much richer collection of tools for sharing from the  
developer community.
	-We now have User Contributed Notes in the Dictionary. Anyone with a  
Rev Online account can submit example scripts and tips.

Rev Online. As of 3.5 we can submit code snippets. While the new ROL  
is not perfect yet, I think it's a big improvement. It's got a growing  
collection of great stacks to look at.

Especially with the latter two tools, we as a developer community can  
go a long way toward filling the void of simple, instructive examples  
for folks new to Rev.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 12:30:20 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:30:20 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70905082344o68394a5aw7c3d13bdccec484c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62B27DC.5CE%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Wait. I don't get this. You saying that checking if an unused variable is
empty returns false? Does revolution put some data in a variable when
created? 


On 5/9/09 2:44 AM, "Martin Blackman" <martinblackman at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a gotcha to be aware of here.
> 
> Checking if a previously unused variable is empty returns false. That
> has caught me out a few times.  I wonder why the answer is false. I
> think the engine interprets the variable as a string instead, in the
> same way that 'answer hello' without quotes around hello works.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 12:32:06 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:32:06 -0500
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4A05B006.30305@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Wouldn't it make even more sense to have a prominent link on the New 
> RevOnLine to the Old RevOnLine? And vice versa? But that's too obvious!

It can't be done. The two systems use different back-end databases, 
different log-ins, and a completely rewritten RevOnline stack with 
different code. People using older copies of Rev can't access the new 
database, and vice versa.

Those who have both older and newer copies of Rev could upload twice if 
they are in a sharing mood. That's about the only way to do it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 12:30:40 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:30:40 -0700
Subject: Another "should be an error" ?
In-Reply-To: <4A05A739.3090703@tweedly.net>
References: <4A05A739.3090703@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <511622180078.20090509093040@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:54:33 AM, you wrote:

> Shouldn't this have been a compilation error ?

Not necessarily. One of the wonders of explictVars is that the
compiler will catch this kind of error for you. If you don't have
explictVars turned on then you're left to your own devices wondering
why your code doesn't work...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 12:33:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:33:49 -0700
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:31:33 AM, you wrote:

> Shouldn't this be a compile error ?

Same answer as the other question. If tracking this kind of error down
seems like a pain then turn on explictVars and get in the habit of
declaring variables.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 12:38:07 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:38:07 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <4A04792B.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<4A04792B.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1591622627031.20090509093807@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Friday, May 8, 2009, 11:25:47 AM, you wrote:

> how the engine works. I personally do not use explicit variables, I
> never declare them specifically, and I have never had any problem.

...the first step in recovery is recognizing you have a problem... <g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 12:39:27 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:39:27 -0400
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
Message-ID: <C62B29FF.5D5%stephen@networkxfla.com>

I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler
doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So...

Local temp
Put "1234" into temp
Put "1234" into kemp

The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create
variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to
force you to declare all variables before use?

-Stephen Cox


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 12:45:48 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:45:48 -0500
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <1591622627031.20090509093807@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C6294883.50D%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<4A04792B.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1591622627031.20090509093807@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A05B33C.2060305@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
> Friday, May 8, 2009, 11:25:47 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> how the engine works. I personally do not use explicit variables, I
>> never declare them specifically, and I have never had any problem.
> 
> ...the first step in recovery is recognizing you have a problem... <g>
> 

Bah. Don't start with me. ;) Explict variables are for people who want 
their code to look more complicated than it is, perhaps to impress 
someone. :P

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 12:53:31 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:53:31 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23407970.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com> <4A009682.8020107@gmail.com>
	<23407970.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1071623551000.20090509095331@ahsoftware.net>

Peter-

Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 7:58:58 AM, you wrote:

> Oh dear what a dispiriting thread.  I haven't experienced all this stuff,

Thanks to this thread I've gone back and loaded the latest rev 3.5
build onto my Ubuntu installation and find that it's much improved, to
the point of having a usable IDE once again. Using scrollbars is still
somewhat of a hit-or-miss situation, but the whole IDE is much more
responsive, even when editing large scripts. RevOnline and GLX2 are
both working smoothly and so far all the plugins I had installed seem
to be working the way they should. Multiple desktops do *not* work,
and it would be nice if they did, but I'm sure this will get sorted
out in time.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 12:57:07 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:57:07 -0500
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C62B27DC.5CE%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62B27DC.5CE%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A05B5E3.1050203@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> Wait. I don't get this. You saying that checking if an unused variable is
> empty returns false? Does revolution put some data in a variable when
> created? 

Sort of, but only in specific cases, which is mostly a side-effect of 
how friendly Rev's interpreter is and how it deals with strings. (The 
discussion about quoted field names shows how flexible Rev is with 
strings.) If a variable is not specifically created with a value, the 
value of the variable is the variable's name itself.

This creates a variable without assigning it any value:

on mouseup
  put (var = empty) && "Var = " & var
end mouseup

You get: false var = var

But this assigns a value and gives what you'd expect:

on mouseUp
  put empty into var
  put (var = empty) && "Var = " & var
end mouseUp

Gives: true var =

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 12:57:52 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:57:52 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62B29FF.5D5%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62B29FF.5D5%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <811623811656.20090509095752@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:39:27 AM, you wrote:

> I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler
> doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So...

> Local temp
> Put "1234" into temp
> Put "1234" into kemp

> The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create
> variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to
> force you to declare all variables before use?

I get "compilation error at line 5 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)) near "kemp", char 15"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bryan at deepfoo.com  Sat May  9 13:08:39 2009
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:08:39 -0400
Subject: Multi-cores and standalones
Message-ID: <4A05B897.1040107@deepfoo.com>

Does anyone know how or if multiple standalones use memory space or 
cores? I realize they are not multi-threaded or multi-core aware. But 
let's say you had five or six standalones running. Are they all in the 
same space, using the same core? Or does the system dispatch and 
allocate them?

I am asking as I have a large computation project where multiple 
standalones make sense just from an i/o perspective. I am curious about 
how efficient this really is in terms of how they behave in a 
multi-core/large memory space.



From irog at mac.com  Sat May  9 13:11:23 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 10:11:23 -0700
Subject: Dynamically resize members of a group
In-Reply-To: <20090509170004.947F448B2EC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090509170004.947F448B2EC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <525F9423-85EB-4E71-BD80-F98B6AC4E0A3@mac.com>

Can anyone suggest a way to dynamically resizing objects of a group as  
the group is resized? Specifically, I have a pair of lines who's  
lengths I would like to adjust by resizing the group they belong to.  
Thanks for your help.

Cheers,
Roger


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  9 13:14:30 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:14:30 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905090905w6fef47a2n15657903a208e8f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>
	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com> <4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
	<f73a98160905090905w6fef47a2n15657903a208e8f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDA7EBFF-FC52-4025-82E3-39805A1DB8FC@cox.net>

Kay C:

I figured that was probably an issue, but didn't take the time to  
explore and think it through.

Sorry,

Joe Wilkins

On May 9, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it make even more sense to have a prominent link on the New
>> RevOnLine to the Old RevOnLine? And vice versa? But that's too  
>> obvious!
>>
>
> Ah I don't think it's that easy.
>
> New RevOnline doesn't run in Rev 3.0 or earlier, so anyone going to
> RevOnline in Rev 2.6.1 will get Old RevOnline. Having a link to New
> RevOnline is pointless if they don't have Rev 3.5.
>
> The same could be said for those on Rev 3.5 who don't have an older  
> copy,
> but for those who do have old copies of Rev, whilst a link in New  
> RevOnline
> to Old RevOnline might be workable I don't see how this is going to  
> prevent
> wasted time looking for stacks in the wrong RevOnline if the creator  
> doesn't
> announce which particular RevOnline they've uploaded to.
>
> To me it's like stating "I've made an OS X app" vs "I've made a  
> Leopard
> app". One will have a bunch of Jaguar and Tiger users wasting time  
> trying to
> figure out why your app doesn't work. Reminds me of recent thread  
> about
> speaking accurately but still being ambiguous.



From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  9 13:20:00 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:20:00 -0700
Subject: answer as sheet showing on wrong stack
In-Reply-To: <4A05B006.30305@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0326D3.3050109@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071159n696116a2g1e6f1eb192273a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A033110.1060509@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<4A0336E7.9060201@gmail.com>	<4A0343E4.7040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<e5e009d70905071358x15af508djb005b67a5b6b48f5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A038E44.8060200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A03C559.2070400@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905090004v77ecd48csf7cf2b75ae6ca865@mail.gmail.com>	<4A054A27.5020001@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905090731y3de0b3d8if702ab992bbfb6e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5AB5E82-12DE-46FE-A1F2-C3FADE8E65E8@cox.net>
	<4A05B006.30305@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4DA29BEB-E258-464B-ACF0-AE5B94C11FA3@cox.net>

So perhaps, on further reflection, we just need some sort of "caveat"  
dialog on the two sites, that let users know this problem exists when  
they can't find that for which they're searching. Would save the list  
having to "re-explain" this condition ad nauseam. I'm always looking  
for simplistic solutions. Simple people do that! (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 9, 2009, at 9:32 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Wouldn't it make even more sense to have a prominent link on the  
>> New RevOnLine to the Old RevOnLine? And vice versa? But that's too  
>> obvious!
>
> It can't be done. The two systems use different back-end databases,  
> different log-ins, and a completely rewritten RevOnline stack with  
> different code. People using older copies of Rev can't access the  
> new database, and vice versa.
>
> Those who have both older and newer copies of Rev could upload twice  
> if they are in a sharing mood. That's about the only way to do it.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  9 13:21:57 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:21:57 -1000
Subject: Multi-cores and standalones
In-Reply-To: <4A05B897.1040107@deepfoo.com>
References: <4A05B897.1040107@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c9d0ca$a8369390$f8a3bab0$@com>

Bryan McCormick wrote:

> Does anyone know how or if multiple standalones use memory space or
> cores? I realize they are not multi-threaded or multi-core aware. But
> let's say you had five or six standalones running. Are they all in the
> same space, using the same core? Or does the system dispatch and
> allocate them?

On PC anyway, the each occupy their own memory space.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From david at architex.tv  Sat May  9 13:33:50 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:33:50 +0100
Subject: AppReg3.db
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone no where this file is from - it's been in "My Revolution..." folder
for a while, is ti a rev thing or a GLX2 thing? Time for a spring clean -
would like to throw it out :)


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat May  9 13:50:21 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:50:21 +0200
Subject: e: Why Rev needs a cookbook ?
Message-ID: <E62FEC47-5195-42DF-8E3A-B2DA812FD49E@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I never invented a single thing - this I left to the
real brainies. However, I inspected, copied,
extrapolated, USED (unashamedly) other peoples code,
and turned it to my advantage.

So learning Revolution was not, and is not, my
problem. There is so much brilliant code flying
around on RevOnline, and on the forum, that
I could never analyse it all and use it well.
Of course, perhaps the "Newbies" could benefit
from a little help in some of this code
(there is quite a lot of code that I still cannot
get my head around !)

My problem is elsewhere.

I have never written a line of HTML, have never
written commands to access, upload, download,
FTP, anything to or from the Internet. I have 40 years
of programming expertise, and I don't know where
to start off writing code for my Internet sites, or how
to put them in place (I have detailed plans for 3 sites
and nowhere to go as yet !). I feel that using Rev code
inside HTML code could be an enormous benefit to me.

I have just lashed out $500 for an On-Rev access,
feeling in my bones that it was the right thing to do
....... and I don't even know where to start .....

Maybe the little blog written by Andr? Garzia will
help me to "lift-off".

Cook-Books - Certainly - But what to put in them ?

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 14:02:29 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:02:29 -0400
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <811623811656.20090509095752@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C62B3D75.5E4%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Humm I just compiled this and get nothing.


On 5/9/09 12:57 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:39:27 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler
>> doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So...
> 
>> Local temp
>> Put "1234" into temp
>> Put "1234" into kemp
> 
>> The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create
>> variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to
>> force you to declare all variables before use?
> 
> I get "compilation error at line 5 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that
> name (explicitVariables?)) near "kemp", char 15"



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 14:01:55 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:01:55 -0700
Subject: Dynamically resize members of a group
In-Reply-To: <525F9423-85EB-4E71-BD80-F98B6AC4E0A3@mac.com>
References: <20090509170004.947F448B2EC@mail.runrev.com>
	<525F9423-85EB-4E71-BD80-F98B6AC4E0A3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <841627655062.20090509110155@ahsoftware.net>

Roger-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:11:23 AM, you wrote:

> Can anyone suggest a way to dynamically resizing objects of a group as
> the group is resized? Specifically, I have a pair of lines who's  
> lengths I would like to adjust by resizing the group they belong to.
> Thanks for your help.

In rev 3.5 the resizeControl message is now sent to the group first. I
handle it there and then resize the grouped controls individually.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 14:10:46 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:10:46 -0400
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <811623811656.20090509095752@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Ok I just created a new stack and put:

local temp
put "1234" into temp
put "1234" into kemp

And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is
"Strict Compilation Mode" in the Script Editor section the only option that
has to be enabled?


On 5/9/09 12:57 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:39:27 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler
>> doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So...
> 
>> Local temp
>> Put "1234" into temp
>> Put "1234" into kemp
> 
>> The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create
>> variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to
>> force you to declare all variables before use?
> 
> I get "compilation error at line 5 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that
> name (explicitVariables?)) near "kemp", char 15"



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 14:15:01 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:15:01 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <4A05B5E3.1050203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>

By the way, off topic a bit:

Wouldn't "I" && "am" be the same as "I " & "am"? ((notice the space after
"I" in the second example")).


On 5/9/09 12:57 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Stephen Cox wrote:
>> Wait. I don't get this. You saying that checking if an unused variable is
>> empty returns false? Does revolution put some data in a variable when
>> created? 
> 
> Sort of, but only in specific cases, which is mostly a side-effect of
> how friendly Rev's interpreter is and how it deals with strings. (The
> discussion about quoted field names shows how flexible Rev is with
> strings.) If a variable is not specifically created with a value, the
> value of the variable is the variable's name itself.
> 
> This creates a variable without assigning it any value:
> 
> on mouseup
>   put (var = empty) && "Var = " & var
> end mouseup
> 
> You get: false var = var
> 
> But this assigns a value and gives what you'd expect:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put empty into var
>   put (var = empty) && "Var = " & var
> end mouseUp
> 
> Gives: true var =



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 14:18:39 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:18:39 -0700
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>

It is a MySQLLite database file

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/9 David Bovill <david at architex.tv>

> Anyone no where this file is from - it's been in "My Revolution..." folder
> for a while, is ti a rev thing or a GLX2 thing? Time for a spring clean -
> would like to throw it out :)
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  9 14:18:43 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:18:43 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <71000266-CE99-4A0B-8B92-2774A788DD87@cox.net>

Certainly should be the same. Isn't it? It is for me with 3.5.

Joe Wilkins

On May 9, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> By the way, off topic a bit:
>
> Wouldn't "I" && "am" be the same as "I " & "am"? ((notice the space  
> after
> "I" in the second example")).
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 14:21:57 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:21:57 -0500
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A05C9C5.1040208@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> By the way, off topic a bit:
> 
> Wouldn't "I" && "am" be the same as "I " & "am"? ((notice the space after
> "I" in the second example")).

Yup.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 14:24:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:24:18 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:10:46 AM, you wrote:

> Ok I just created a new stack and put:

> local temp
> put "1234" into temp
> put "1234" into kemp

> And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is
> "Strict Compilation Mode" in the Script Editor section the only option that
> has to be enabled?

OK - I think I see what you're doing. If I just put that into a script
then I can compile it with or without strict compilation mode. But
then there's nothing to execute. I'm not really clear on what is
getting compiled at that point. I think as far as the compiler is
concerned there's no code to run, so there's nothing to compile.

Try this:

on mouseUp
  local temp

  put "1234" into temp
  put "1234" into kemp
end mouseUp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 14:27:06 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:27:06 -0700
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62B4065.5EB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <1941629165593.20090509112706@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:15:01 AM, you wrote:

> Wouldn't "I" && "am" be the same as "I " & "am"? ((notice the space after
> "I" in the second example")).

also the same as "I" & " am"

...and just for good measure...

"I" & space & "am"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  9 14:29:01 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:29:01 -1000
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <811623811656.20090509095752@ahsoftware.net>
	<C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c9d0d4$06f407b0$14dc1710$@com>

Stephen Cox wrote:

> Ok I just created a new stack and put:
> 
> local temp
> put "1234" into temp
> put "1234" into kemp
> 
> And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is
> "Strict Compilation Mode" in the Script Editor section the only option
> that
> has to be enabled?

For what it's worth, in the Rev editor, I get:

button "Button": compilation error at line 6 (Chunk: can't create a variable
with that name (explicitVariables?)) near "kemp", char 12  

And in GLX2:

Script error Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:24:08 AM
Error 44: Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)
Why? put: bad chunk
 Handler: error in command
 Handler: error in handler
Error at char 12 of line 6 in handler kemp
Code: kemp
How I got here: 

Object:

Execution Context:

And while it used to be called explicitVariables, it has been replaced by
the more wordy Strict Compilation Mode and, as far as I know, this is all
that has to be checked. This is on PC, Rev 3.5, GM-2

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 14:49:06 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:49:06 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62A0982.576%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <1601630485796.20090509114906@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Friday, May 8, 2009, 1:08:34 PM, you wrote:

> The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It would help
> get my head out of OOP into Revolution.

Don't get your head *too* far out of OOP. Revolution's got
encapsulation, inheritance of a sort, and polymorphism is up to you to
implement, as always. We don't have true subclassing, but the new rev
3.5 behaviors are a step in that direction.

If you haven't seen it yet, check out Richard Gaskin's writeup on
message inheritance:

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  9 14:50:51 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:50:51 -1000
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <008c01c9d0d7$138b1d80$3aa15880$@com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 
> OK - I think I see what you're doing. If I just put that into a script
> then I can compile it with or without strict compilation mode. But
> then there's nothing to execute. I'm not really clear on what is
> getting compiled at that point. I think as far as the compiler is
> concerned there's no code to run, so there's nothing to compile.


You are correct Mark. The errant code has to be in a handler inside of a
script to get the error. Outside a handler in a script, it's not executable,
and is therefore not compiled because the whole block, with the exception of
the local declaration, which would become a script local, is meaningless. I
tested this way and got the same result of no compile error. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini 



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May  9 15:00:57 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:00:57 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Cryptography Library 1.0.0
Message-ID: <A98A11DC-903D-4B14-A25F-706B1E59C4DA@wehostmacs.com>

Thanks to Mark Smith for pointing this out (off-list) but it seems  
there is an issue with the SHA-1 and Intel-based Macs.


From bryan at deepfoo.com  Sat May  9 15:13:22 2009
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 15:13:22 -0400
Subject: Multi-cores and standalones
Message-ID: <4A05D5D2.9090804@deepfoo.com>

Thanks Jim, that's issue 1 out of the way. Now for the mystery of how 
apps are handled in multicore environments.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat May  9 15:27:50 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <4A0548F8.4090503@gmail.com>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<4A0548F8.4090503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905091227270.15869@ecs.fullerton.edu>

What was the url to that beast again?

Judy

On Sat, 9 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Of course if any one wants to go to work on my moribund
> RunRev learning wiki . . .


From jhj at jhj.com  Sat May  9 15:46:24 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:46:24 -0700
Subject: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
In-Reply-To: <20090509163227.734D348A6DB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090509163227.734D348A6DB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2E9E7115-56F5-4E2C-9637-991BB412799B@jhj.com>

> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>
> Yes, that is what I meant. But Dave Cragg disproved my theory, since
> apparently the engine works at the same speed in either case (but I am
> still having trouble believing it; it seems counter-intuitive.) I  
> think
> it is better scripting form to quote literals in any case though. It
> saves misinterpretation later on when you re-read your scripts, and in
> some cases could prevent the engine from mis-interpreting your literal
> values as variable names.

Wouldn't the decision whether something is a variable or a literal be  
done just once at *compile* time, not a run time? After deciding, the  
compiler would point to either the location of a variable or the  
location of a literal string - either would be equally fast. So it  
doesn't matter how many loops - actually fewer might show up the  
slower decision making process during compilation, but even that is  
doubtful. Now if the benchmark had 100000 different unquoted literals,  
we would see the difference!

I heartily agree that literals should be quoted for all those other  
good reasons.

Cheer,
Jerry Jensen



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 16:09:34 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:09:34 +0300
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>

Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution; I thought that
was something that went out with PASCAL: even my BBC doesn't require me
to that in BBC BASIC.  I remember feeling 'odd' when I got my BBC (ah, all
those years ago, out in the desert) that BBC BASIC didn't even need the 
LET statement
anymore.

May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear
the asking one more time:

What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?

and, just to show you exactly how goofy I am:

How do you declare variables in RR ?

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Stephen-
>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:10:46 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> Ok I just created a new stack and put:
>>     
>
>   
>> local temp
>> put "1234" into temp
>> put "1234" into kemp
>>     
>
>   
>> And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is
>> "Strict Compilation Mode" in the Script Editor section the only option that
>> has to be enabled?
>>     
>
> OK - I think I see what you're doing. If I just put that into a script
> then I can compile it with or without strict compilation mode. But
> then there's nothing to execute. I'm not really clear on what is
> getting compiled at that point. I think as far as the compiler is
> concerned there's no code to run, so there's nothing to compile.
>
> Try this:
>
> on mouseUp
>   local temp
>
>   put "1234" into temp
>   put "1234" into kemp
> end mouseUp
>
>   



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 16:14:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:14:47 +0300
Subject: Newbie Question 5 of N
Message-ID: <4A05E437.9060007@gmail.com>

Just found 'strict compilation' in my trial of RR 3.5; but couldn't
find anything about what it actually is (which makes Stephen Cox,
who is passing himself off as a Newbie, look much longer in the
tooth than I am).

So; what is 'strict compilation', and why should we be
interested?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 16:16:40 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:16:40 +0300
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905091227270.15869@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<4A0548F8.4090503@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905091227270.15869@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A05E4A8.1070300@gmail.com>

http://richmondsrevolution.pbworks.com/FrontPage

mind you; the word 'beast' is apposite, in the sense that it
resembles something big, ungainly and of little apparent
use, at least at present.

Judy Perry wrote:
> What was the url to that beast again?
>
> Judy
>
> On Sat, 9 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Of course if any one wants to go to work on my moribund
>> RunRev learning wiki . . .
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 16:24:09 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:24:09 +0300
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905091227270.15869@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<4A0548F8.4090503@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905091227270.15869@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A05E669.3010702@gmail.com>

However, in the light of questions from the likes of Stephen Cox, I for one
won't even consider touching that Wiki until after the conference, when
I should be the proud owner of something 'slightly' newer than
RevMedia 2.9. I do hope that with the launch of '4' the central GUI
will remain the same for some time.

Judy Perry wrote:
> What was the url to that beast again?
>
> Judy
>
> On Sat, 9 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Of course if any one wants to go to work on my moribund
>> RunRev learning wiki . . .
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 16:29:25 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:29:25 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091329s594b5002h3c2a3d9d32ca01f5@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/9 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?
>

Better error checking, I guess.


> How do you declare variables in RR ?
>

local  tLocalVar = "This is a local string"
local x,y,z

global tGlobalvar = "This is a global string"




-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 16:31:57 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:31:57 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question 5 of N
In-Reply-To: <4A05E437.9060007@gmail.com>
References: <4A05E437.9060007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <551636656671.20090509133157@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 1:14:47 PM, you wrote:

> So; what is 'strict compilation', and why should we be
> interested?

"Strict compilation" was formerly referred to as "explictVars".
Setting the checkbox *forces* you to declare all your variables or be
faced with compile errors. The advantage is that it cuts down
dramaticly on the number of bugs in one's coding. You can't, for
example, mistakenly type and compile

put the last chr of line x of field 3
or
put thevariablenames into field 1

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat May  9 16:35:05 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:35:05 +0100
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Stephen - I guess what i need to know is if a Rev plugin or framework
needs this file - or if it is just hanging around from a tutorial stack.
I'll try moving it away and see if anything breaks - trouble is everything
is very broken :( Getting a crash every 5 minutes at the moment - reverting
to 3.5-gm1 does not seem to be helping much - nor does using the Rev Script
Editor over GLX2 - wish I could track down what was causing everything to be
so unstable :(

2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> It is a MySQLLite database file


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Sat May  9 16:35:47 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:35:47 -0600
Subject: e: Why Rev needs a cookbook ?
In-Reply-To: <E62FEC47-5195-42DF-8E3A-B2DA812FD49E@wanadoo.fr>
References: <E62FEC47-5195-42DF-8E3A-B2DA812FD49E@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <2DA3D0F4-A69B-41D0-B956-A097F7F37799@byu.edu>


On May 9, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> I have never written a line of HTML, have never
> written commands to access, upload, download,
> FTP, anything to or from the Internet. I have 40 years
> of programming expertise, and I don't know where
> to start off writing code for my Internet sites, or how
> to put them in place (I have detailed plans for 3 sites
> and nowhere to go as yet !). I feel that using Rev code
> inside HTML code could be an enormous benefit to me.
>
> I have just lashed out $500 for an On-Rev access,
> feeling in my bones that it was the right thing to do
> ....... and I don't even know where to start .....
>
> Maybe the little blog written by Andr? Garzia will
> help me to "lift-off".

Sarah Reichelt is collecting links to examples of Rev server side  
scripting. That would be an excellent starting point. The link is: <http://troz.on-rev.com/links.irev 
 >

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 16:38:48 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:38:48 +0300
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905091329s594b5002h3c2a3d9d32ca01f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091329s594b5002h3c2a3d9d32ca01f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A05E9D8.5070004@gmail.com>

Beats me: I think I'll continue 'conjuring variables out of the air':

put "Who's afraid of undeclared variables?" && "bah, humbug!" into 
POOBAH   :)

stephen barncard wrote:
> 2009/5/9 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>
>   
>> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?
>>
>>     
>
> Better error checking, I guess.
>
>
>   
>> How do you declare variables in RR ?
>>
>>     
>
> local  tLocalVar = "This is a local string"
> local x,y,z
>
> global tGlobalvar = "This is a global string"
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Sat May  9 16:45:34 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:45:34 EDT
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
Message-ID: <d15.477a8da9.3737456e@aol.com>

Where is Danny Goodman?


**************
Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a 
florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&amp;
ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 17:00:27 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:00:27 -0700
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091400l798fe1afs9a5cd6f367d29616@mail.gmail.com>

No, it's just a data file. If you are not using MySQL-Lite then delete it.
But it doesn't execute. If you ever fired up MySQL-Lite then I think that's
the default name.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/9 David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>

> Thanks Stephen - I guess what i need to know is if a Rev plugin or
> framework
> needs this file - or if it is just hanging around from a tutorial stack.
>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 17:01:33 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:01:33 -0700
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091401x228f3987kad8a1cd4de78ac91@mail.gmail.com>

Have you deleted the rev preferences?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/9 David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>

> Thanks Stephen - I guess what i need to know is if a Rev plugin or
> framework
> needs this file - or if it is just hanging around from a tutorial stack.
> I'll try moving it away and see if anything breaks - trouble is everything
> is very broken :( Getting a crash every 5 minutes at the moment - reverting
> to 3.5-gm1 does not seem to be helping much - nor does using the Rev Script
> Editor over GLX2 - wish I could track down what was causing everything to
> be
> so unstable :(
>
> 2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
>
> > It is a MySQLLite database file
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From irog at mac.com  Sat May  9 17:04:54 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:04:54 -0700
Subject: Dynamically resize members of a group
In-Reply-To: <20090509210031.3362148B353@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090509210031.3362148B353@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D8E37671-78D7-48F3-9813-800BFB2EDBC2@mac.com>


On May 9, 2009, at 2:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Roger-
>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:11:23 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest a way to dynamically resizing objects of a group  
>> as
>> the group is resized? Specifically, I have a pair of lines who's
>> lengths I would like to adjust by resizing the group they belong to.
>> Thanks for your help.
>
> In rev 3.5 the resizeControl message is now sent to the group first. I
> handle it there and then resize the grouped controls individually.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder

Thank you, Mark. Here is a script that answers my own question:

local foo1Pts,foo2Pts,y1,y2

on selectedObjectChanged
    put line 1 of the points of grc foo1 into foo1Pts
    put line 1 of the points of grc foo2 into foo2Pts
    put item 2 of line 2 of the points of grc foo1 into y1
    put item 2 of line 2 of the points of grc foo2 into y2
    pass selectedObjectChanged
end selectedObjectChanged

on moveControl
    put line 1 of the points of grc foo1 into foo1Pts
    put line 1 of the points of grc foo2 into foo2Pts
    put item 2 of line 2 of the points of grc foo1 into y1
    put item 2 of line 2 of the points of grc foo2 into y2
    pass moveControl
end moveControl

on resizeControl
    put the mouseH into newX
    set the points of grc foo1 to foo1Pts,newx,y1
     set the points of grc foo2 to foo2Pts,newx,y2
end resizeControl



Thanks and cheers,
Roger







From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat May  9 17:10:04 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:10:04 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> OK, loaded Puppy 4.2, with the copy to memory option and using Xorg not VESA.
> 
> Ran the IDE 3.5, and it seemed fine.  Fired up a few stacks and they were
> fine, positively snappy.

I couldn't even get *that* far... I'm using 4.2, and Xorg (not sure if I
have copy to memory on - where would I check?) and downloaded Rev 3.5. Went
to launch it and nothing happened. When I tried to launch it in from the
console I got all sorts of GDK error messages, starting with "Unable to get
32-bit visual, not using XFT". Not sure what to do about that...

> Does anyone have a seriously display intensive stack they can post
> somewhere?  It would be nice to have one that definitely does show the
> problem.  Or, Ken, if you want to mail me a compiled version of yours that
> is causing the problem, I'd be happy to see if I can reproduce and/or do
> something to eliminate it.

Sure, I can send it to you; I'll do that so you can see what I'm seeing
(hopefully).

> It occurs to me that it might be worth trying Slitaz, a true minimalist
> distro, 30MB or so.  If the problemstill happens with Slitaz, its really at
> a basic level with Linux rather than some dispensable extra bit.

OK, I'll try that when I get a chance.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From 54481C0151652ADE at architex.tv  Sat May  9 17:11:58 2009
From: 54481C0151652ADE at architex.tv (54481C0151652ADE at architex.tv)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:11:58 +0100
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905091401x228f3987kad8a1cd4de78ac91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091401x228f3987kad8a1cd4de78ac91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905091411r1b3772a4u21100e6440cae227@mail.gmail.com>

No - I haven't - think I've tracked it to using GLX2 clairvoyance in the
message box - I guess that is active even when the Script Editor isn't.

2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> Have you deleted the rev preferences?
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/5/9 David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>
>
> > Thanks Stephen - I guess what i need to know is if a Rev plugin or
> > framework
> > needs this file - or if it is just hanging around from a tutorial stack.
> > I'll try moving it away and see if anything breaks - trouble is
> everything
> > is very broken :( Getting a crash every 5 minutes at the moment -
> reverting
> > to 3.5-gm1 does not seem to be helping much - nor does using the Rev
> Script
> > Editor over GLX2 - wish I could track down what was causing everything to
> > be
> > so unstable :(
> >
> > 2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> >
> > > It is a MySQLLite database file
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From david at architex.tv  Sat May  9 17:12:32 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:12:32 +0100
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905091411r1b3772a4u21100e6440cae227@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091118r71fb67c2m6041e45dec31ff65@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905091335h1629bfd4u4bda794f4ec6ee93@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905091401x228f3987kad8a1cd4de78ac91@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0905091411r1b3772a4u21100e6440cae227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905091412k267d69d8gd929ac3a8447e42@mail.gmail.com>

No - I haven't - think I've tracked it to using GLX2 clairvoyance in the
message box - I guess that is active even when the Script Editor isn't.


2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> Have you deleted the rev preferences?
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/5/9 David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>
>
> > Thanks Stephen - I guess what i need to know is if a Rev plugin or
> > framework
> > needs this file - or if it is just hanging around from a tutorial stack.
> > I'll try moving it away and see if anything breaks - trouble is
> everything
> > is very broken :( Getting a crash every 5 minutes at the moment -
> reverting
> > to 3.5-gm1 does not seem to be helping much - nor does using the Rev
> Script
> > Editor over GLX2 - wish I could track down what was causing everything to
> > be
> > so unstable :(
> >
> > 2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> >
> > > It is a MySQLLite database file
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 17:21:59 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:21:59 +0300
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <d15.477a8da9.3737456e@aol.com>
References: <d15.477a8da9.3737456e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A05F3F7.4080608@gmail.com>

Do you mean 'Danny Goodman' the man, or 'Danny Goodman' the
wonderful book about Hypercard?

As far as I know the man is "off, elsewhere"; i.e. not interested in
Hypercard's successors:

http://www.dannyg.com/

I have a copy of the book; currently languishing in my attic
in Scotland, it will be retrieved AFTER the conference.

Among my many other misplaced fantasies, which rarely bear
fruit, is the idea of "doing a Goodman:' or, to put it more
crudely, following his book, almost page for page, to produce
a Runtime Revolution equivalent.

His HC book, while being interesting historical reading for folk like
me, is now so distant, time-wise, and so out-dated, that as such I
don't think it would be much use for new RR users.

However, what his book can serve as is a skeleton on which to build
an "intro to RR" book, as it has a very good series of fairly clearly
demarcated steps.

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Where is Danny Goodman?
>
>
> **************
> Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a 
> florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&amp;
> ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May  9 17:24:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:24:47 +0300
Subject: Newbie Question 5 of N
In-Reply-To: <551636656671.20090509133157@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A05E437.9060007@gmail.com>
	<551636656671.20090509133157@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A05F49F.5020807@gmail.com>

Writing as someone who, generally, learns from his errors, and
trying to work out why they are error, this sounds as if it would
not be a great advantage to me.

Probably much more useful for somebody trying to belt out
something with a very quick SDLC or turn-around.

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 1:14:47 PM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> So; what is 'strict compilation', and why should we be
>> interested?
>>     
>
> "Strict compilation" was formerly referred to as "explictVars".
> Setting the checkbox *forces* you to declare all your variables or be
> faced with compile errors. The advantage is that it cuts down
> dramaticly on the number of bugs in one's coding. You can't, for
> example, mistakenly type and compile
>
> put the last chr of line x of field 3
> or
> put thevariablenames into field 1
>
>   



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 18:02:28 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:02:28 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091502i428df36ax798b55cfc65cec60@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried the Slitaz distro on my MacBook Pro. looks really good
.. but ... <blush> I can't get it to eject the CD image. Holding down the C
key does not work.... HELP

this is the first Linux distro I've tried in years...

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/9 Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>

> > It occurs to me that it might be worth trying Slitaz, a true minimalist
> > distro, 30MB or so.  If the problemstill happens with Slitaz, its really
> at
> > a basic level with Linux rather than some dispensable extra bit.
>
> OK, I'll try that when I get a chance.
>
> Ken Ray


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 18:04:17 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:04:17 -0400
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62B7621.610%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Force of habit. And there are many languages that require variable checking.
And indeed typing. Like C, C++, C#, VB , Python, JS, AS, ST, Perl, and on
and on. Anyway it's one of Revolution strengths not to requiring variable
typing and creation.


On 5/9/09 4:09 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution; I thought that
> was something that went out with PASCAL: even my BBC doesn't require me
> to that in BBC BASIC.  I remember feeling 'odd' when I got my BBC (ah, all
> those years ago, out in the desert) that BBC BASIC didn't even need the
> LET statement
> anymore.
> 
> May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear
> the asking one more time:
> 
> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?
> 
> and, just to show you exactly how goofy I am:
> 
> How do you declare variables in RR ?
> 
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Stephen-
>> 
>> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:10:46 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Ok I just created a new stack and put:
>>>     
>> 
>>   
>>> local temp
>>> put "1234" into temp
>>> put "1234" into kemp
>>>     
>> 
>>   
>>> And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is
>>> "Strict Compilation Mode" in the Script Editor section the only option that
>>> has to be enabled?
>>>     
>> 
>> OK - I think I see what you're doing. If I just put that into a script
>> then I can compile it with or without strict compilation mode. But
>> then there's nothing to execute. I'm not really clear on what is
>> getting compiled at that point. I think as far as the compiler is
>> concerned there's no code to run, so there's nothing to compile.
>> 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   local temp
>> 
>>   put "1234" into temp
>>   put "1234" into kemp
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>>   
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 18:03:12 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:03:12 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <331642132078.20090509150312@ahsoftware.net>

Ken-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 2:10:04 PM, you wrote:

> I couldn't even get *that* far... I'm using 4.2, and Xorg (not sure if I
> have copy to memory on - where would I check?) and downloaded Rev 3.5. Went
> to launch it and nothing happened. When I tried to launch it in from the
> console I got all sorts of GDK error messages, starting with "Unable to get
> 32-bit visual, not using XFT". Not sure what to do about that...

Anything like BZ #5382?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 18:17:02 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:17:02 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905091502i428df36ax798b55cfc65cec60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<e5e009d70905091502i428df36ax798b55cfc65cec60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091517j2f64018bq7e4df698f976e086@mail.gmail.com>

Never mind, I figured it out.

2009/5/9 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> I just tried the Slitaz distro on my MacBook Pro. looks really good
> .. but ... <blush> I can't get it to eject the CD image. Holding down the C
> key does not work.... HELP
>


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 19:34:37 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:34:37 -0400
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C62B8B4D.616%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Why not just comment - leave notes - in the online Dictionary? That be easy
for all to di and help a lot.


On 5/9/09 2:59 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of Carla
> Schroder's great  "Linux Cookbook"
> 
> Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a kitchen
> with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it.  It comes with a 400
> page guide detailing the function of every one.
> 
> We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a cook.
> His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet.  Where does he
> start?
> 
> What he has is a superb kitchen manual.  What he wants is a cookbook, with
> a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers
> page):
> 
> "To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects, rather
> than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function to
> determine which object originally received the message being handled.
> 
> "To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in any
> object that?s available in your a stack, then use the insert script
> command to add that object to the hierarchy."
> 
> So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like "to empty a
> field......"    "to check for a variable.....".  "to make elements in a
> list field clickable...."  "to change the mouse to a hand while
> hovering..."
> 
> Without this, learning becomes a Zen like experience.  You know the story
> of the young man wanting to learn swordsmanship?  He enrols with a master,
> and the first day when expecting to meet for a lesson, is astonished to be
> hit violently over the head with a stick.  His master has sneaked up on
> him.  As time goes by the attacks continue and become more and more
> devious.  One day he is about to enter a room and something makes him
> pause.  His master emerges from behind the door and bows deeply.
> 
> Its OK.... but a recipe book is easier.
> 
> Peter
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat May  9 19:39:15 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:39:15 -0700
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <C62B8B4D.616%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C62B8B4D.616%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905091639l2daaeeecu8cb6f1c2255ef12a@mail.gmail.com>

The notes can't be entered by users in earlier versions. The comments are
tied into the NEW revonline.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/9 Stephen Cox <stephen at networkxfla.com>

> Why not just comment - leave notes - in the online Dictionary? That be easy
> for all to di and help a lot.
>
>
> On 5/9/09 2:59 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of
> Carla
> > Schroder's great  "Linux Cookbook"
> >
> > Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a
> kitchen
> > with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it.  It comes with a 400
> > page guide detailing the function of every one.
> >
> > We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a cook.
> > His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet.  Where does he
> > start?
> >
> > What he has is a superb kitchen manual.  What he wants is a cookbook,
> with
> > a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers
> > page):
> >
> > "To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects, rather
> > than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function to
> > determine which object originally received the message being handled.
> >
> > "To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in any
> > object that?s available in your a stack, then use the insert script
> > command to add that object to the hierarchy."
> >
> > So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like "to empty a
> > field......"    "to check for a variable.....".  "to make elements in a
> > list field clickable...."  "to change the mouse to a hand while
> > hovering..."
> >
> > Without this, learning becomes a Zen like experience.  You know the story
> > of the young man wanting to learn swordsmanship?  He enrols with a
> master,
> > and the first day when expecting to meet for a lesson, is astonished to
> be
> > hit violently over the head with a stick.  His master has sneaked up on
> > him.  As time goes by the attacks continue and become more and more
> > devious.  One day he is about to enter a room and something makes him
> > pause.  His master emerges from behind the door and bows deeply.
> >
> > Its OK.... but a recipe book is easier.
> >
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
> > preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sat May  9 19:45:49 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:45:49 -0400
Subject: Newbie Question 5 of N
In-Reply-To: <4A05F49F.5020807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62B8DED.61A%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Actually I'm not so sure it even matters, considering this isn't a typed
language.

I was just surprised when I ran my first try at code and had errors at
runtime. Almost every compiler I've used checked variables. Why I asked in
the first place.





On 5/9/09 5:24 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Writing as someone who, generally, learns from his errors, and
> trying to work out why they are error, this sounds as if it would
> not be a great advantage to me.
> 
> Probably much more useful for somebody trying to belt out
> something with a very quick SDLC or turn-around.
> 
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond-
>> 
>> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 1:14:47 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> So; what is 'strict compilation', and why should we be
>>> interested?
>>>     
>> 
>> "Strict compilation" was formerly referred to as "explictVars".
>> Setting the checkbox *forces* you to declare all your variables or be
>> faced with compile errors. The advantage is that it cuts down
>> dramaticly on the number of bugs in one's coding. You can't, for
>> example, mistakenly type and compile
>> 
>> put the last chr of line x of field 3
>> or
>> put thevariablenames into field 1
>> 
>>   
> 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  9 19:56:11 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:56:11 -1000
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear
> the asking one more time:
> 
> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?

- Unles yu ar an perfct typst who has nevr made a typo and nevar use a speel
checker, explicitVariables instantly indicates a speling eror at compile tim
and alows you too quikly corect.
- This is also very helpful to people to whom English is a second language
and English spelling is not intuitive and they can and often do put one r
or l in one place and two r's or ll's in another and other such typical
English spelling errors.
- It allows you to distinguish globals from script locals and constants both
at the script level and handler level.
- It allows you to declare globals from inside a handler (which creates a
"semi" global that is only available to other handlers that also declare the
same global). 
- It makes your code much more readable, not only to others, but to
yourself, when you are troubleshooting a problem weeks or months or years
later.
- It is "polite" to others with whom you may want to share your code and
they have explicitVariables turned on. They are not going to turn it off for
a large project just to look at few lines of your code.
- If you use GLX2, it allows GLX2 to offer you variable completion after
typing four chars of a declared variable name.
- The reason the name was changed is probably because it also checks that
you have not spelled reserved words incorrectly. *set the locaton of this
stack to screnLoc* will not give a compile time error if Strict Compilation
Mode is turned off. If it is on, you get an error. If you are just learning
the language, this is big help.

Lastly, although you can "create" variables without declaration, the fact
is, variables cannot be created on-the-fly at runtime. Only array variables
and custom property variables can be created on-the-fly. Otherwise, you must
use a *do* statement, which has limitations, is slow because it is complied
at runtime  and can be tedious and error prone to write a long one. All
other variables are whatever you typed on compile.

So, given these facts, the real question is:

What, if any, is the advantage of NOT declaring variables? ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 20:00:38 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:00:38 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question 5 of N
In-Reply-To: <4A05F49F.5020807@gmail.com>
References: <4A05E437.9060007@gmail.com>
	<551636656671.20090509133157@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05F49F.5020807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <221649178203.20090509170038@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 2:24:47 PM, you wrote:

> Writing as someone who, generally, learns from his errors, and
> trying to work out why they are error, this sounds as if it would
> not be a great advantage to me.

Not to worry - there's plenty of errors to go around...

...I'd be happy to let you have some of mine...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From psahores at free.fr  Sat May  9 20:04:32 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 02:04:32 +0200
Subject: Multi-cores and standalones
In-Reply-To: <007e01c9d0ca$a8369390$f8a3bab0$@com>
References: <4A05B897.1040107@deepfoo.com>
	<007e01c9d0ca$a8369390$f8a3bab0$@com>
Message-ID: <E55CA468-16DC-4C34-97E8-4FC4A4A51D47@free.fr>

The same with mac os x (10.5) : 2 apps = 2 cores at work.
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 9 mai 09 ? 19:21, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Bryan McCormick wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how or if multiple standalones use memory space or
>> cores? I realize they are not multi-threaded or multi-core aware. But
>> let's say you had five or six standalones running. Are they all in  
>> the
>> same space, using the same core? Or does the system dispatch and
>> allocate them?
>
> On PC anyway, the each occupy their own memory space.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat May  9 20:10:44 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:10:44 +0100
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Alex-
>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:31:33 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> Shouldn't this be a compile error ?
>>     
>
> Same answer as the other question. If tracking this kind of error down
> seems like a pain then turn on explictVars and get in the habit of
> declaring variables.
>   

I accept that for 'chr'  (though I wonder what  "the last myVar of temp" 
means) ?
But for the other example, I don't get it. Why is
>     if the last line of t is empty then delete line -` of t
affected by variable checking ?    Is ` a variable name ?

Oops - just tried it and it  *is* ?  I am amazed :-)
Is there anywhere defined the set of characters that can be used in a 
variable name ?

-- Alex.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 20:14:05 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:14:05 -0700
Subject: revOnline
Message-ID: <261649984421.20090509171405@ahsoftware.net>

All-

The new revOnline browser is a bit of a mystery to me. Over on the
left there's a kind of filter and I've figured out how the filtering
works, although (nudge, nudge, wink to the rev team) it would be more
useful if the various keywords also displayed how many entries I could
expect to find in each category. But the keywords themselves (I'm
assuming that's what they are) are in some random order and there
doesn't seem to be a way to sort them alphabetically or otherwise.
Right now they just read like free association poetry:

files blur sepia resize

They're not grouped by any structure that makes sense to me. I suppose
I'm assuming that the organization does make sense to somebody...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat May  9 20:16:10 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:16:10 +0100
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A061CCA.60101@tweedly.net>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution; I thought 
> that
> was something that went out with PASCAL: even my BBC doesn't require me
> to that in BBC BASIC.  I remember feeling 'odd' when I got my BBC (ah, 
> all
> those years ago, out in the desert) that BBC BASIC didn't even need 
> the LET statement
> anymore.
>
> May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear
> the asking one more time:
>
> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?
>
The advantage is that if yuor tipyng is as dab as nime tehn oyur erorrs 
teg caugth soneer :-)

-- Alex.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May  9 20:22:27 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:22:27 +1000
Subject: AppReg3.db
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905091033y7b929a67h3e18fc8e9e265376@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905091722k1e174813q1b4d48533b2c096d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:33 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:
> Anyone no where this file is from - it's been in "My Revolution..." folder
> for a while, is ti a rev thing or a GLX2 thing? Time for a spring clean -
> would like to throw it out :)

It's the demo SQLite database created by the SQLite sample stack.
You can throw it out as it will be re-created if you run the demo again.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May  9 20:36:13 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:36:13 +1000
Subject: e: Why Rev needs a cookbook ?
In-Reply-To: <E62FEC47-5195-42DF-8E3A-B2DA812FD49E@wanadoo.fr>
References: <E62FEC47-5195-42DF-8E3A-B2DA812FD49E@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905091736t2a5372caybc83fff1306a5b0a@mail.gmail.com>

> My problem is elsewhere.
>
> I have never written a line of HTML, have never
> written commands to access, upload, download,
> FTP, anything to or from the Internet. I have 40 years
> of programming expertise, and I don't know where
> to start off writing code for my Internet sites, or how
> to put them in place (I have detailed plans for 3 sites
> and nowhere to go as yet !). I feel that using Rev code
> inside HTML code could be an enormous benefit to me.
>
> I have just lashed out $500 for an On-Rev access,
> feeling in my bones that it was the right thing to do
> ....... and I don't even know where to start .....


Hi Francis,

Firstly, you can use the On-Rev web hosting service without knowing
any html. You do have to be able to create a web site, but if you use
iWeb or some similar program, that can be easily done. Then you need
to upload this site to the On-Rev servers. Your introductory email
from On-Rev has info on the settings needed for this - you can do it
through the cPanel web interface, or get iWeb to do it for you, or use
an FTP program like CyberDuck.

BUT..... you are not going to get the most out of on-rev unless you
learn some simple HTML. It's great feature is in allowing you to alter
or create html on the fly using Revolution scripting.

As an example, go to this page: <http://troz.on-rev.com/test.irev>
It's not very exciting, but it does some maths as well as reporting
various system parameters.

Now go to this page: <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=test.irev>
This shows the script of the irev file that generates the first page.
The data you see on the first page is NOT contained in the script, but
the script contains Rev commands to get the data with the html tags to
display it in the required format.

The ability to mix & match the HTML with the Rev scripting gives
incredible power and flexibility. I am still only scratching the
surface of what can be done.

So I recommend that you read Mark's engine notes and follow his
examples <http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt>.
You can do this using the On-Rev application.

Then I suggest going to <http://www.w3schools.com/> and learning the
basics of HTML.

I dislike using forums, but the on-rev forum is very helpful and lots
of people are posting examples, so join in and ask questions.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 20:37:13 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:37:13 -0700
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 5:10:44 PM, you wrote:

> I accept that for 'chr'  (though I wonder what  "the last myVar of temp"
> means) ?
> But for the other example, I don't get it. Why is
>>     if the last line of t is empty then delete line -` of t
> affected by variable checking ?    Is ` a variable name ?

> Oops - just tried it and it  *is* ?  I am amazed :-)
> Is there anywhere defined the set of characters that can be used in a
> variable name ?

Not that I know of. I was also surprised that ` was allowed. But

put 42 into `

is a valid statement. It seems like more of a parlor trick than
something that could be turned into a clever hack. And I also think
it's a bug resulting from the ` character's place in the ASCII table.
I notice that @ and _ and ? are also accepted as variable names.
That's just wrong. You can hurt yourself playing around with these
things.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 20:42:36 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:42:36 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A061CCA.60101@tweedly.net>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <4A061CCA.60101@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <701651696062.20090509174236@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 5:16:10 PM, you wrote:

> The advantage is that if yuor tipyng is as dab as nime tehn oyur erorrs
> teg caugth soneer :-)

Would that it worked that way. But if you type

put 42 into myVarr

instead of

put 42 into myVar

then rev will happily create a new variable for you at compile time
and runtime and leave you to your own devices to find why your code
isn't running the way you *know* it should.

With Strict Compilation you'll know *before* you get into trouble.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 21:01:53 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 20:01:53 -0500
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
	<00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
Message-ID: <4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:

> - It allows you to distinguish globals from script locals and constants both
> at the script level and handler level.

You can do that without declaring them explicitly too.

> - It allows you to declare globals from inside a handler (which creates a
> "semi" global that is only available to other handlers that also declare the
> same global). 

You can also do this without turning on explictVars. It is, in fact, a 
direct feature port from HyperCard circa 1989. I also routinely declare 
script constants, locals and globals at the top of scripts, because that 
is the only way to get them. But that isn't the same as requiring a mess 
of declarations inside every single handler.

> - It makes your code much more readable, not only to others, but to
> yourself, when you are troubleshooting a problem weeks or months or years
> later.

Disagree. It makes your code messy, adds tons of extra lines that you 
have to skip over to get to the real code, isn't necessary, and clutters 
up the script with top junk. It isn't clean and I find it much less 
readable. I would go so far as to say it is inelegant. It is the 
opposite of writing the smallest, most concise code possible. To 
understand my scripts later, I add comments and choose self-commenting 
variable names. Declarations aren't as informative as good commenting.

> What, if any, is the advantage of NOT declaring variables? ;-)

Here's the response I gave 2 years ago when this came up:

1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or type 
variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes 
one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.

2. You can't comment out a long handler using a single set of hyphens 
before the "on" statement. (I often write multiple versions of handlers 
and switch between them.) As soon as you do that, all those "local" 
declarations become script locals and everything goes haywire. You have 
to comment out all of the declarations. If they aren't all at the top, 
you have to comment out the whole handler. That's more work than it 
needs to be if you're going back and forth between a few copies to see 
which one works best.

3. It looks busy and it makes scripts denser and more complicated than 
necessary. I've seen handlers where the declarations can take up almost 
as much room as the code. It's hard to read other people's scripts if 
they use explicitVars because you have to skip over so much junk to get 
to the real business. In large projects it can add significantly to the 
file size on disk.

4. If you change a variable name, you have to go back and change the 
declaration. It's more work to maintain, for something that isn't even 
required by the engine. (I have wondered if people sometimes do it to 
make their code look more like "real" programming to other people.)

5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer 
finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.

None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that explicitVars 
might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and 
throws an error.

Back to today's response:

The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it 
happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I don't 
get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a typist as 
your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)

I once took over a project from someone who used explicit variables. I 
stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts 
comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were all 
kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of declarations 
and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.

My fourteen cents.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May  9 21:13:26 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 20:13:26 -0500
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <261649984421.20090509171405@ahsoftware.net>
References: <261649984421.20090509171405@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A062A36.5060102@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> All-
> 
> The new revOnline browser is a bit of a mystery to me. Over on the
> left there's a kind of filter and I've figured out how the filtering
> works, although (nudge, nudge, wink to the rev team) it would be more
> useful if the various keywords also displayed how many entries I could
> expect to find in each category. But the keywords themselves (I'm
> assuming that's what they are) are in some random order and there
> doesn't seem to be a way to sort them alphabetically or otherwise.
> Right now they just read like free association poetry:
> 
> files blur sepia resize
> 
> They're not grouped by any structure that makes sense to me. I suppose
> I'm assuming that the organization does make sense to somebody...
> 

They are a compilation of all the keywords that contributors assign to 
their stacks. When I first saw the new RevOnline there were only a 
handful of "categories". Now there are dozens in no particular order. It 
is bound to get worse. It would probably be better to store free-form 
keywords from contributors for searching, but only allow pre-defined 
categories for the left-hand list.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvg at mac.com  Sat May  9 21:25:21 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 03:25:21 +0200
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <4A062A36.5060102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <261649984421.20090509171405@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A062A36.5060102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8B67AA04-B6CA-4661-886B-3D2D804B8D83@mac.com>

I made a bug regarding that in december, it's unconfirmed, so i assume  
no one from runrev ever looked at it:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7566

If I remember correctly, my one week prediction was off by about -2  
days...

On 10 May 2009, at 03:13, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> They are a compilation of all the keywords that contributors assign  
> to their stacks. When I first saw the new RevOnline there were only  
> a handful of "categories". Now there are dozens in no particular  
> order. It is bound to get worse. It would probably be better to  
> store free-form keywords from contributors for searching, but only  
> allow pre-defined categories for the left-hand list.


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May  9 23:47:06 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:47:06 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote:

Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... <g>

> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or type
> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes
> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.

I seriously take issue with that being "the main strength" of xtalk.

> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer
> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.

Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the
compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why
should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in
letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as
well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand.

> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that explicitVars
> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and
> throws an error.

> Back to today's response:

> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it 
> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I don't
> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a typist as
> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)

<puts on a SNL snarl>
 ...Jacque, you ignorant slut...
<returns to reality>
You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch
things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple
misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you
pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a
variable name when the "friendly" compiler would helpfully generate a
new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help
when your fingers forget to place a space after "the" and instead of
the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty.

> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit variables. I
> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts 
> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were all
> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of declarations
> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.

I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you
come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of
declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right
to strip them out <g>.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May  9 23:56:11 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:56:11 -1000
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>	<00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c9d123$42296740$c67c35c0$@com>

Dear Jacque,

To each his/her own. ;-) And, of course, we all know you are a novelist (in
English) and one who probably doesn't use a spell checker. ;-)

But, just to clarify, so that what I said is not misinterpreted. I never
said there is anything you cannot "do" without explicitVariables turned on. 

What I was actually trying to communicate is that while it may take a little
more time up front, and add some chars to your code, it "can" save a
tremendous amount of time in the long run, especially if you work in
collaboration with others, are just starting out with the language, have to
work quickly with someone else's code, or have to return to code that you
wrote under a different mindset and with somebody else. 

In my case, I worked in collaboration for years with a person who spoke
English as a second language and refused to even look at, much less to work
with any code that didn't declare clearly descriptive  variables and handler
names, because he knew he was prone to English spelling errors and my
cryptic variable and handler names were meaningless to him. And, as it
turned out, I came to realize this benefited me also. ;-) The practice also
came in handy working with others whose primary language was C++ because
they were able to "read" my code.

I will give you a recent example. A bug was reported with ListMagic where
you couldn't set the alternating colors of lists to different colors for
multiple lists on the same card. I confirmed the issue and built a  test
stack, confident I would find the issue quickly. 

After a couple of hours, it seemed like issues were increasing incrementally
with everything I did! I even wrote Trevor to see if he had run into
anything like what I was seeing in his work on the Data Grid. You know what
it turned out to be? I was testing for alternating "stripes" and Eric had
them as alternating "strips" ;-)

Now it was right there in front of me the whole time. I was staring right at
the two words. But, I didn't "see" it because I was "looking" for other
things. Had they been variables, I would have caught the spelling issue the
very first time I hit compile on my first test stack. But, because it was a
string in a custom property, this is not caught by the compiler. I wasted
hours and as I later told Trevor barking up all the wrong trees for what
ultimately took 20 minutes to fix and was staring me in the face the whole
time.

So, I have come to believe that long, descriptive variable names and
explicit variables are the lazy man's programming because it has allowed me
to be lazy and let the compiler find my and other people's errors for me.
;-) It also requires less commenting. So this has become my personal
preference. You have yours. ;-)

However, personal preferences aside, the main strength of Revolution is not
that you don't have to declare variables, but that you can choose to declare
or not to declare depending on your circumstances. And, in fact, it is this
amazing flexibility in the language, not just in variable declaration, but
many, many other ways, that allows someone, like yourself, who has worked
with xtalk a long time, and someone who is just moving over from C++, and
another who needs a dictionary by their side to even read this list, all
find a convenient and familiar way to work with and learn the language, as
they each grow and experience their own ongoing "revolution."

So, my intention was not to convince others that they "should" use
expicitVariables, but only to point out the value that I have come to
appreciate of this "optional feature." 

Now if you'd like for me to write an argument of the advantages of extremely
short, non-declared, non-descriptive (except in the programmer's mind) var
and handler names and never putting multiple lines of code for what you can
squeeze into one line with parens, I can do it, because I used to write that
way when the memory and storage of machines were calculated in kilobytes.
Who knows, maybe for mobile devices, I will have to again. ;-)

But then Rev allows for this. Therein lies its real strength. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini




J. Landman Gay wrote:

> > - It allows you to distinguish globals from script locals and
> constants both
> > at the script level and handler level.
> 
> You can do that without declaring them explicitly too.
> 
> > - It allows you to declare globals from inside a handler (which
> creates a
> > "semi" global that is only available to other handlers that also
> declare the
> > same global).
> 
> You can also do this without turning on explictVars. It is, in fact, a
> direct feature port from HyperCard circa 1989. I also routinely declare
> script constants, locals and globals at the top of scripts, because
> that
> is the only way to get them. But that isn't the same as requiring a
> mess
> of declarations inside every single handler.
> 
> > - It makes your code much more readable, not only to others, but to
> > yourself, when you are troubleshooting a problem weeks or months or
> years
> > later.
> 
> Disagree. It makes your code messy, adds tons of extra lines that you
> have to skip over to get to the real code, isn't necessary, and
> clutters
> up the script with top junk. It isn't clean and I find it much less
> readable. I would go so far as to say it is inelegant. It is the
> opposite of writing the smallest, most concise code possible. To
> understand my scripts later, I add comments and choose self-commenting
> variable names. Declarations aren't as informative as good commenting.
> 
> > What, if any, is the advantage of NOT declaring variables? ;-)
> 
> Here's the response I gave 2 years ago when this came up:
> 
> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or
> type
> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes
> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.
> 
> 2. You can't comment out a long handler using a single set of hyphens
> before the "on" statement. (I often write multiple versions of handlers
> and switch between them.) As soon as you do that, all those "local"
> declarations become script locals and everything goes haywire. You have
> to comment out all of the declarations. If they aren't all at the top,
> you have to comment out the whole handler. That's more work than it
> needs to be if you're going back and forth between a few copies to see
> which one works best.
> 
> 3. It looks busy and it makes scripts denser and more complicated than
> necessary. I've seen handlers where the declarations can take up almost
> as much room as the code. It's hard to read other people's scripts if
> they use explicitVars because you have to skip over so much junk to get
> to the real business. In large projects it can add significantly to the
> file size on disk.
> 
> 4. If you change a variable name, you have to go back and change the
> declaration. It's more work to maintain, for something that isn't even
> required by the engine. (I have wondered if people sometimes do it to
> make their code look more like "real" programming to other people.)
> 
> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer
> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.
> 
> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that explicitVars
> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and
> throws an error.
> 
> Back to today's response:
> 
> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it
> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I don't
> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a typist
> as
> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)
> 
> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit variables. I
> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts
> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were all
> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of declarations
> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.
> 
> My fourteen cents.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 10 00:59:51 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:59:51 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <331642132078.20090509150312@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C62BC977.1D242%kray@sonsothunder.com>




On 5/9/09 5:03 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Ken-
> 
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 2:10:04 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I couldn't even get *that* far... I'm using 4.2, and Xorg (not sure if I
>> have copy to memory on - where would I check?) and downloaded Rev 3.5. Went
>> to launch it and nothing happened. When I tried to launch it in from the
>> console I got all sorts of GDK error messages, starting with "Unable to get
>> 32-bit visual, not using XFT". Not sure what to do about that...
> 
> Anything like BZ #5382?

No, thse are all related to colormaps and screen updating, like:

(<unknown>:8601): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gdk_colormap_new: assertion
`GDK_IS_VISUAL (visual) failed


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May 10 01:02:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:02:33 -1000
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com>
	<00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <00a701c9d12c$87b0ffe0$9712ffa0$@com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
> can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
> of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you
> come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of
> declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right
> to strip them out <g>.

LOL. Actually, maybe not quite that much, but when I first write a handler
or move it over from one project to another, I do things like assign
everything like *the result* to variables, declare the variables one per
line, make everything verbose like if then else statements a minimum of five
lines, etc. 

This way, if I need to debug I can put in a breakpoint and hit trace, sip
coffee and watch which part of an if then else gets hit and variables
change, including ones that don't show up normally in the debugger, because
lots of times just putting such things to the message box can affect the
program itself or flash by too fast and I always miss deleting at least one
of those puts. ;-)

Then when I'm happy, I can clearly see the vars that need to be removed and
then put the remaining all in one declaration line per type and shorten up
structure like if then else, etc. But, if you looked at something of mine,
in progress, you could see close to what she described. But there is a
"lazy" method to my madness, even if looks like more work up front. ;-) It
also allows me to leave working on something in mid-thought and return to it
a week later and quickly remember where I left off.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May 10 01:09:15 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:09:15 -0700
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <71BB50AA-80A6-4F8B-BB32-C28688FF5D15@cox.net>

Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I  
cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits.

We have "all" become accustomed to protecting ourselves from  
ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that  
everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best  
"insurance" against having anything happen is an alert and active  
mind.  Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than  
vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not  
declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity.  
The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting  
Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive  
medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be  
diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education!!!!!!!!

Joe Wilkins

  On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jacque-
>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... <g>
>
>> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or  
>> type
>> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes
>> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.
>
> I seriously take issue with that being "the main strength" of xtalk.
>
>> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer
>> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.
>
> Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the
> compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why
> should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in
> letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as
> well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand.
>
>> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that  
>> explicitVars
>> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and
>> throws an error.
>
>> Back to today's response:
>
>> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it
>> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I  
>> don't
>> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a  
>> typist as
>> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)
>
> <puts on a SNL snarl>
> ...Jacque, you ignorant slut...
> <returns to reality>
> You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch
> things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple
> misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you
> pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a
> variable name when the "friendly" compiler would helpfully generate a
> new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help
> when your fingers forget to place a space after "the" and instead of
> the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty.
>
>> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit  
>> variables. I
>> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts
>> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were  
>> all
>> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of  
>> declarations
>> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.
>
> I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
> can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
> of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you
> come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of
> declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right
> to strip them out <g>.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 01:22:03 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:22:03 -0700
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C62BC977.1D242%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C62BC977.1D242%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <01668462515.20090509222203@ahsoftware.net>

Ken-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:59:51 PM, you wrote:

>> Anything like BZ #5382?

> No, thse are all related to colormaps and screen updating, like:

> (<unknown>:8601): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gdk_colormap_new: assertion
> `GDK_IS_VISUAL (visual) failed

I love it when you talk dirty.

Look farther down in BZ #5382 and you'll see that stuff. Something
changed with 2.9:

(<unknown>:12630): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixmap_foreign_new_for_display:
assertion '(anid != 0)' failed
(<unknown>:12630): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_draw_drawable: assertion 'src != NULL'
failed
(<unknown>:12630): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion
'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
etc

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 01:28:21 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:28:21 -0700
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <71BB50AA-80A6-4F8B-BB32-C28688FF5D15@cox.net>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
	<71BB50AA-80A6-4F8B-BB32-C28688FF5D15@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1171668840406.20090509222821@ahsoftware.net>

Joe-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:09:15 PM, you wrote:

>vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not
>declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity.

I've found that I can declare vars and still be perfectly stupid,
thank you.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sun May 10 01:49:01 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:49:01 -0400
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <71BB50AA-80A6-4F8B-BB32-C28688FF5D15@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C62BE30D.634%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Well..  God.. Sorry all for starting this. :)

Use what you want. I'll keep it on cause I'm used to that type of
environment. Used to declaring variables. And it's in my head.



On 5/10/09 1:09 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I
> cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits.
> 
> We have "all" become accustomed to protecting ourselves from
> ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that
> everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best
> "insurance" against having anything happen is an alert and active
> mind.  Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than
> vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not
> declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity.
> The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting
> Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive
> medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be
> diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education!!!!!!!!
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
>   On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Jacque-
>> 
>> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>> Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... <g>
>> 
>>> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or
>>> type
>>> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes
>>> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.
>> 
>> I seriously take issue with that being "the main strength" of xtalk.
>> 
>>> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer
>>> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.
>> 
>> Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the
>> compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why
>> should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in
>> letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as
>> well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand.
>> 
>>> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that
>>> explicitVars
>>> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and
>>> throws an error.
>> 
>>> Back to today's response:
>> 
>>> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it
>>> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I
>>> don't
>>> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a
>>> typist as
>>> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)
>> 
>> <puts on a SNL snarl>
>> ...Jacque, you ignorant slut...
>> <returns to reality>
>> You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch
>> things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple
>> misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you
>> pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a
>> variable name when the "friendly" compiler would helpfully generate a
>> new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help
>> when your fingers forget to place a space after "the" and instead of
>> the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty.
>> 
>>> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit
>>> variables. I
>>> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts
>>> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were
>>> all
>>> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of
>>> declarations
>>> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.
>> 
>> I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
>> can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
>> of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you
>> come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of
>> declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right
>> to strip them out <g>.
>> 
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sun May 10 02:20:51 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 02:20:51 -0400
Subject: Mac icons
Message-ID: <C62BEA83.636%stephen@networkxfla.com>

I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks like
Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa ? Carbon is being
dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a set I can
buy, for Revolution?

Thanks

-Stephen Cox


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 02:50:50 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:50:50 +0300
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62BE30D.634%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62BE30D.634%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A06794A.9010003@gmail.com>

God may forgive you, but the rest of us will . . .

love you and cherish you for initiating a useful and
stimulating discussion!

And, the moral of the story is: you can be bl**dy-minded like me,
or you can be bl**dy-minded like somebody else, or (what a luxury)
you can be bl**dy-minded in you own way.

To my mind, the 'tolerance' of Runtime Revolution is what makes it
so much more accessible than most other programming environments.

Stephen Cox wrote:
> Well..  God.. Sorry all for starting this. :)
>
> Use what you want. I'll keep it on cause I'm used to that type of
> environment. Used to declaring variables. And it's in my head.
>
>
>
> On 5/10/09 1:09 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I
>> cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits.
>>
>> We have "all" become accustomed to protecting ourselves from
>> ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that
>> everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best
>> "insurance" against having anything happen is an alert and active
>> mind.  Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than
>> vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not
>> declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity.
>> The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting
>> Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive
>> medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be
>> diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>>   On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Jacque-
>>>
>>> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... <g>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or
>>>> type
>>>> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes
>>>> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.
>>>>         
>>> I seriously take issue with that being "the main strength" of xtalk.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer
>>>> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.
>>>>         
>>> Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the
>>> compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why
>>> should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in
>>> letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as
>>> well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that
>>>> explicitVars
>>>> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and
>>>> throws an error.
>>>>         
>>>> Back to today's response:
>>>>         
>>>> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it
>>>> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I
>>>> don't
>>>> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a
>>>> typist as
>>>> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)
>>>>         
>>> <puts on a SNL snarl>
>>> ...Jacque, you ignorant slut...
>>> <returns to reality>
>>> You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch
>>> things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple
>>> misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you
>>> pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a
>>> variable name when the "friendly" compiler would helpfully generate a
>>> new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help
>>> when your fingers forget to place a space after "the" and instead of
>>> the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit
>>>> variables. I
>>>> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts
>>>> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were
>>>> all
>>>> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of
>>>> declarations
>>>> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.
>>>>         
>>> I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
>>> can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
>>> of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you
>>> come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of
>>> declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right
>>> to strip them out <g>.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> -Mark Wieder
>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 02:53:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:53:51 +0300
Subject: Mac icons
In-Reply-To: <C62BEA83.636%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62BEA83.636%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A0679FF.2070802@gmail.com>

If you have the Development tools installed there is a 'Icon Composer'
program lurking there (in the Utilities folder); drag your RR images
there and they will be 'magically' made into icons for you.

Alternatively, just use a PNG image.  :)

Stephen Cox wrote:
> I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks like
> Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa ? Carbon is being
> dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a set I can
> buy, for Revolution?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Stephen Cox
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sun May 10 02:55:13 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 02:55:13 -0400
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A06794A.9010003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Agreed.

Now must I send bribes to end this "debate"?


On 5/10/09 2:50 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> God may forgive you, but the rest of us will . . .
> 
> love you and cherish you for initiating a useful and
> stimulating discussion!
> 
> And, the moral of the story is: you can be bl**dy-minded like me,
> or you can be bl**dy-minded like somebody else, or (what a luxury)
> you can be bl**dy-minded in you own way.
> 
> To my mind, the 'tolerance' of Runtime Revolution is what makes it
> so much more accessible than most other programming environments.
> 
> Stephen Cox wrote:
>> Well..  God.. Sorry all for starting this. :)
>> 
>> Use what you want. I'll keep it on cause I'm used to that type of
>> environment. Used to declaring variables. And it's in my head.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/10/09 1:09 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I
>>> cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits.
>>> 
>>> We have "all" become accustomed to protecting ourselves from
>>> ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that
>>> everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best
>>> "insurance" against having anything happen is an alert and active
>>> mind.  Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than
>>> vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not
>>> declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity.
>>> The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting
>>> Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive
>>> medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be
>>> diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education!!!!!!!!
>>> 
>>> Joe Wilkins
>>> 
>>>   On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> 
>>>     
>>>> Jacque-
>>>> 
>>>> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... <g>
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or
>>>>> type
>>>>> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes
>>>>> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place.
>>>>>         
>>>> I seriously take issue with that being "the main strength" of xtalk.
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer
>>>>> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about.
>>>>>         
>>>> Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the
>>>> compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why
>>>> should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in
>>>> letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as
>>>> well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand.
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that
>>>>> explicitVars
>>>>> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and
>>>>> throws an error.
>>>>>         
>>>>> Back to today's response:
>>>>>         
>>>>> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it
>>>>> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a
>>>>> typist as
>>>>> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;)
>>>>>         
>>>> <puts on a SNL snarl>
>>>> ...Jacque, you ignorant slut...
>>>> <returns to reality>
>>>> You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch
>>>> things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple
>>>> misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you
>>>> pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a
>>>> variable name when the "friendly" compiler would helpfully generate a
>>>> new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help
>>>> when your fingers forget to place a space after "the" and instead of
>>>> the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty.
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit
>>>>> variables. I
>>>>> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts
>>>>> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were
>>>>> all
>>>>> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of
>>>>> declarations
>>>>> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space.
>>>>>         
>>>> I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
>>>> can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
>>>> of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you
>>>> come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of
>>>> declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right
>>>> to strip them out <g>.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>>       
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>>> preferences:
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>>>     
>> 
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sun May 10 02:55:58 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 02:55:58 -0400
Subject: Mac icons
In-Reply-To: <4A0679FF.2070802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62BF2BE.63D%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Much thanks. I got the dev tools installed.


On 5/10/09 2:53 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you have the Development tools installed there is a 'Icon Composer'
> program lurking there (in the Utilities folder); drag your RR images
> there and they will be 'magically' made into icons for you.
> 
> Alternatively, just use a PNG image.  :)
> 
> Stephen Cox wrote:
>> I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks like
>> Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa ? Carbon is being
>> dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a set I can
>> buy, for Revolution?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -Stephen Cox
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>>   
> 
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun May 10 03:17:11 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:17:11 +0800
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <4A06794A.9010003@gmail.com> <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905100017j2598a222mb50a65077835e0c7@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I think all the wrong thinking people in this world are right.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 03:15:47 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:15:47 -0700
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:55:13 PM, you wrote:

> Now must I send bribes to end this "debate"?

ROTFL. Not to worry - comes up once a year or so, along with the
"what's wrong with globals?" question, just enough to rattle folks'
cages, then dies down for a while. Feel free to chime in the next time
it rolls around.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 10 03:24:10 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
	<23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <23467732.post@talk.nabble.com>


This is something to do with 32 bit fonts, isn't it, but its hard to see why
one machine running Puppy should get it and not another.

Loading Puppy into memory is done at startup - you have a screen which lets
you enter boot parameters, and you just key it in.  Its 'puppy' followed by
a string of some sort.  But again, why that should make a difference is not
obvious.

It will be interesting to use the app and see what's happening.  Slitaz is
really amazingly tiny.  Of course it is very limited, and the fonts are
particularly limited, think there only was one or maybe two!  But if you are
looking for a turnkey fast platform to ship with an application, this has to
be a candidate.  Its smaller than DSL and much more normal looking.  And you
can add the fonts you're using.

Peter


Ken Ray wrote:
> 
> 
> I couldn't even get *that* far... I'm using 4.2, and Xorg (not sure if I
> have copy to memory on - where would I check?) and downloaded Rev 3.5.
> Went
> to launch it and nothing happened. When I tried to launch it in from the
> console I got all sorts of GDK error messages, starting with "Unable to
> get
> 32-bit visual, not using XFT". Not sure what to do about that...
> 
> 

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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun May 10 03:34:54 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:34:54 +0800
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
	<1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905100034n6fa04406n755574ba9dfc13b5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> I was also surprised that ` was allowed. But
>
> put 42 into `
>
> is a valid statement. It seems like more of a parlor trick than
> something that could be turned into a clever hack. And I also think
> it's a bug resulting from the ` character's place in the ASCII table.
> I notice that @ and _ and ? are also accepted as variable names.
> That's just wrong. You can hurt yourself playing around with these
> things.
>

This is certainly not consistent with the User Manual:

5.5.5 Variable Names
The names of variables must consist of a single word and may contain any
combination
of letters, digits, and underscores (_). The first character must be either
a letter or an
underscore. You cannot use any Revolution Revolution language word as a name
of a
variable.

Whilst I understand that Explicit Variables is the answer to the previous
example, in this case it looks like the Docs should be updated to reflect
reality, or if such chars are dangerous to use, then it should be filed as a
bug.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 03:42:45 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:42:45 +0300
Subject: Newbie Question 5 of N
In-Reply-To: <221649178203.20090509170038@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A05E437.9060007@gmail.com>	<551636656671.20090509133157@ahsoftware.net>	<4A05F49F.5020807@gmail.com>
	<221649178203.20090509170038@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A068575.8070907@gmail.com>

Well, as well as all the other useful things that everybody is proposing
how about a sort of "Top of the Pops" of errors?

My personal favourite crops up all the time:

flase, fales, flsae . . . but, very rarely 'false'

Now . . . variables . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pompous Section starts here.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Way back when, 'while dinosaurs ruled the earth' (as my kids say),
I was studying PASCAL 5, and rapidly discovered the easiest way to
keep track of variables was to stop calling them names such as 'X',
'Y' and 'Z'.

Having jumped from PASCAL and BASIC to Hypercard without looking
sideways I have always followed the following policy:

name variables in such a way as they have some connexion with
what they do.

for instance; if you poke around in my stacks you will find variables
with names such as 'KOUNT1', 'ADDER'. 'HITE', 'WIDD', and a whole
lot with either Scots or Bulgarian names, which proves useful when
the obvious names for those variables in English are reserved words.

similarly with fields, which I always prefix with a lower case 'f';
'fTANK',  'fBANK', 'fENTRY', 'fRESULT'

now this maybe unconventional, but when I look back at code 3 or
4 years down the line I find it more informative than 'nGrav' or
'asTpX', even if those have been declared.

After all, when I see:

put vRESULT into fld "fRESULT"

it shouldn't be hard to work out what's going on.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, I agree with the various remarks about non-native speakers
who are coding in Revolution only insofar as they need to understand
some of the quasi-English terms; but I am not entirely sure how
Strict Compilation is going to help with that.

Surely what is needed is an IN-BUILT spell checker attached to the
Script Editor.

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 2:24:47 PM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> Writing as someone who, generally, learns from his errors, and
>> trying to work out why they are error, this sounds as if it would
>> not be a great advantage to me.
>>     
>
> Not to worry - there's plenty of errors to go around...
>
> ...I'd be happy to let you have some of mine...
>
>   



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May 10 04:04:38 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:04:38 +0100
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905100034n6fa04406n755574ba9dfc13b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
	<1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160905100034n6fa04406n755574ba9dfc13b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905100104v38b17fbcrefef16a27ce6c9bc@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe these should be listed under this enhancement request (although
maybe the request should be a bug report instead):

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7791

Bernard

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
>> I was also surprised that ` was allowed. But
>>
>> put 42 into `
>>
>> is a valid statement. It seems like more of a parlor trick than
>> something that could be turned into a clever hack. And I also think
>> it's a bug resulting from the ` character's place in the ASCII table.
>> I notice that @ and _ and ? are also accepted as variable names.
>> That's just wrong. You can hurt yourself playing around with these
>> things.
>>
>
> This is certainly not consistent with the User Manual:
>
> 5.5.5 Variable Names
> The names of variables must consist of a single word and may contain any
> combination
> of letters, digits, and underscores (_). The first character must be either
> a letter or an
> underscore. You cannot use any Revolution Revolution language word as a name
> of a
> variable.
>
> Whilst I understand that Explicit Variables is the answer to the previous
> example, in this case it looks like the Docs should be updated to reflect
> reality, or if such chars are dangerous to use, then it should be filed as a
> bug.
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 10 04:12:06 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <C62BC977.1D242%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<251291945718.20090505134646@ahsoftware.net>
	<23443844.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C62B5B5C.1D1E3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<331642132078.20090509150312@ahsoftware.net>
	<C62BC977.1D242%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <23468050.post@talk.nabble.com>


I ran Rev a bit differently, don't know if that would affect it.  I booted
from Puppy's CD on my usual machine with Debian installed on the hard drive, 
then navigated to the copy of Rev on my hard drive and ran that one.  It
still required a registration code, but it ran.  Whereas you have downloaded
a fresh copy into Puppy and then ran that.  Again, its hard to see why that
should make a difference, but we are not doing exactly the same thing.  

I'll have a go downloading it with Puppy and then running it and see if I
get the same thing.
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/App-on-Linux---really-slow...-any-ideas-why--tp23393374p23468050.html
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun May 10 04:15:28 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:15:28 +0800
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905100115w717846f4p8e5e1a75e11ece51@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:55:13 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Now must I send bribes to end this "debate"?
>
> ROTFL. Not to worry - comes up once a year or so, along with the
> "what's wrong with globals?" question, just enough to rattle folks'
> cages, then dies down for a while.


Yes, or that other annual favourite, Stephen just suggest Rev should be Open
Source and the explicit variable thread will instantly die.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun May 10 04:20:20 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:20:20 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <00a701c9d12c$87b0ffe0$9712ffa0$@com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
	<00a701c9d12c$87b0ffe0$9712ffa0$@com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905100120k73ba4a2et3a374a3208a70ea9@mail.gmail.com>

I love it when the Titans of Transcript battle.... we learn so much....

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/9 Jim Bufalini <jim at visitrieve.com>

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
> > can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
>


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May 10 05:08:09 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:08:09 +0100
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905100120k73ba4a2et3a374a3208a70ea9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
	<00a701c9d12c$87b0ffe0$9712ffa0$@com>
	<e5e009d70905100120k73ba4a2et3a374a3208a70ea9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905100208s5df5fc13n40e83753afbe6eef@mail.gmail.com>

The interesting thing is that both Jim/Mark & Jacques are right.

Like Jacques I rarely have a major problem with mis-spelt variables.
On the occasions when I do have a problem then the error message will
usually point me to where the problem lies, and if not then the fact
that a variable contains its own name as a value shows me that it was
never touched.  But maybe it takes a long time of using Rev to
understand such error situations, so explicit variables might well be
useful to newbies even if long-in-the-tooth users such as myself
usually operate without them.  There are still occasions when I think
to myself "Hmm... maybe it would be better if I used explicit variable
checking".

But when I started out with Rev I tried turning on explicit variables
over several releases, but it was so broken that the IDE stopped
working (it must have had undeclared variables in it).  So after years
of not using explict vars, it seems onerous to now switch it on.

One could argue against Jacques' claims of unnecessary clutter, that
such clutter can be minimized by declaring multiple variables on one
line ("local tVar1, tVar2").  But I think there is a wider issue with
reducing error incidence by restricting the way in which variables
come into being.

Jim's example about custom properties not being checked by explicit
vars highlights this problem - a mis-spelling was staring him in the
face.  Jim thought he didn't have to be concerned with variable
mis-spelling, because he had explicit vars turned on.  Jaqcues and I
would both be on the look out for misspellings :-)  (That's not to
elevate myself to the same level of programming ability shared by
Jacques and Jim.)  Given how much use I make of custom properties and
array keys as ways of structuring my code, there is always going to be
a problem with mis-spellings in such dynamic constructs.

In addition to that, there are other things that the compiler doesn't
check but should:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7791

Strangely enough one of those errors is caught by having explicit
variables turned on.  The others are not.

I can see the benefit in having explicit variable checking and in not
having it.  But I hesitate to call it "Strict Compilation Mode" when
the compiler is so lax about language use that appears as
ungrammatical as in that bug report.

Bernard

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> I love it when the Titans of Transcript battle.... we learn so much....
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/5/9 Jim Bufalini <jim at visitrieve.com>
>
>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>> > I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you
>> > can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and
>>


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May 10 05:17:35 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:17:35 +0100
Subject: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
In-Reply-To: <C6294CBB.514%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <4A8F0717-442C-460F-9398-ADC59D9DD3DC@cox.net>
	<C6294CBB.514%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905100217k79d0242cvc88a352b8ac393fe@mail.gmail.com>

The message box is an amazing feature.  You can use it in a debugging
session to work with the state of your code at the breakpoint.

Bernard

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Stephen Cox <stephen at networkxfla.com> wrote:
> Lol. Of course. I knew it would be easy. Thanks.
>
> For the life of me I could not find an example in the docs; the user guild
> or online.
>
> The messagebox? I hardly use it. Gets in the way mostly. I've been using it
> to look at global variables. I know you can run commands. But if you don't
> know the commands, it's no help. Or am I wrong about this?
>
>
> On 5/8/09 2:35 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC, just
>> use:
>>
>> if tUsername is empty then ....
>>
>> if tUsername exists then ...
>>
>> You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
>>
>>> Really two questions:
>>>
>>> How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like;
>>>
>>> If !empty(tUsername)
>>> ? ?// process here
>>> Endif
>>>
>>> Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is
>>> empty. I
>>> can?t seem to find it?s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching
>>> this the
>>> wrong way? And can I check fields the same way?
>>>
>>> I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2?
>>> But is
>>> there an easier way?
>>>
>>> Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I
>>> can turn
>>> on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I?d rather have the assurance
>>> of
>>> checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in
>>> Revolution?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> -Stephen Cox
>>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun May 10 05:18:54 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:18:54 +0200
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <20090510034936.8E81D48B3A7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090510034936.8E81D48B3A7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <49ED344D-A57F-4267-BD54-AC55BF1C4DE7@mac.com>

I think all this proves that different people can and do use  
Revolution / xTalk differently. Personally I am persuaded by Jim's  
argument, and indeed I have changed: when I first came to xTalk after  
years of using languages where declaration of variables was mandatory,  
I relished the freedom of not having to do so. But gradually I got  
tired of debugging my own spelling mistakes and moved over. However I  
have enormous respect for the Jacque and Richmond, who are clearly  
highly productive NOT using Strict Compilation, so I'm glad there are  
the two ways of doing it...

BTW I can't quite follow Richmond when he says

> Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution

Do you never carry values from stack to stack or handler to handler  
via globals? Maybe you always use custom props. But AFAIK, when you  
write:

  put "Richmond" into myGlobal

in a handler without a corresponding 'global' declaration, and then in  
another one in a different galaxy, far away, you write:

  put myGlobal

you won't see "Richmond" in the message box, will you?

As an aside, I noticed that if I start a repeat statement with  
something like:

  repeat with i = 1 to 20

even with ExplicitVars on, the local variable "i" does not have to be  
declared. I could not find an explanation of this in the docs, but  
perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I find this useful, but  
then I am a convert as explained.

Graham


On Sat, 9 May 2009 13:56:11 -1000, u "Jim Bufalini"  
<jim at visitrieve.com> wrote:
>
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear
>> the asking one more time:
>>
>> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?
>
> - Unles yu ar an perfct typst who has nevr made a typo and nevar use  
> a speel
> checker, explicitVariables instantly indicates a speling eror at  
> compile tim
> and alows you too quikly corect.
> - This is also very helpful to people to whom English is a second  
> language
> and English spelling is not intuitive and they can and often do put  
> one r
> or l in one place and two r's or ll's in another and other such  
> typical
> English spelling errors.
> - It allows you to distinguish globals from script locals and  
> constants both
> at the script level and handler level.
> - It allows you to declare globals from inside a handler (which  
> creates a
> "semi" global that is only available to other handlers that also  
> declare the
> same global).
> - It makes your code much more readable, not only to others, but to
> yourself, when you are troubleshooting a problem weeks or months or  
> years
> later.
> - It is "polite" to others with whom you may want to share your code  
> and
> they have explicitVariables turned on. They are not going to turn it  
> off for
> a large project just to look at few lines of your code.
> - If you use GLX2, it allows GLX2 to offer you variable completion  
> after
> typing four chars of a declared variable name.
> - The reason the name was changed is probably because it also checks  
> that
> you have not spelled reserved words incorrectly. *set the locaton of  
> this
> stack to screnLoc* will not give a compile time error if Strict  
> Compilation
> Mode is turned off. If it is on, you get an error. If you are just  
> learning
> the language, this is big help.
>
> Lastly, although you can "create" variables without declaration, the  
> fact
> is, variables cannot be created on-the-fly at runtime. Only array  
> variables
> and custom property variables can be created on-the-fly. Otherwise,  
> you must
> use a *do* statement, which has limitations, is slow because it is  
> complied
> at runtime  and can be tedious and error prone to write a long one.  
> All
> other variables are whatever you typed on compile.
>
> So, given these facts, the real question is:
>
> What, if any, is the advantage of NOT declaring variables? ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sun May 10 05:20:24 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:20:24 +0200
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook ?
Message-ID: <443320CC-71D0-4B9E-A1A2-CEB513174290@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

Thanks to Sarah and Devin for pointing me in the right direction.

> As an example, go to this page: <http://troz.on-rev.com/test.irev>
> It's not very exciting, but it does some maths as well as reporting
> various system parameters.
>
> Now go to this page: <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=test.irev 
> >
> This shows the script of the irev file that generates the first page.
> The data you see on the first page is NOT contained in the script, but
> the script contains Rev commands to get the data with the html tags to
> display it in the required format.

And I will keep a trace of my blunderings as I try and get my head
around On-Rev, until finally I get something up and running.

Now THAT may be worth putting in a Cook Book !

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May 10 05:35:10 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:35:10 +0100
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905100208s5df5fc13n40e83753afbe6eef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
	<00a701c9d12c$87b0ffe0$9712ffa0$@com>
	<e5e009d70905100120k73ba4a2et3a374a3208a70ea9@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905100208s5df5fc13n40e83753afbe6eef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905100235xd07ca52u1baf8762476fc3c8@mail.gmail.com>

Another side-effect of explicit variables is that some code may well
behave differently.

Consider this:

 local tVar, tSQL
 if tVar is empty then ...

Since explict vars requires the declaration, it will affect the result
of the following conditional.  With the declaration then the condition
will be true; without the declration the condition will be false.

Bernard


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 05:46:45 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:46:45 +0300
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <49ED344D-A57F-4267-BD54-AC55BF1C4DE7@mac.com>
References: <20090510034936.8E81D48B3A7@mail.runrev.com>
	<49ED344D-A57F-4267-BD54-AC55BF1C4DE7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A06A285.1070404@gmail.com>

What constitutes "declaring a variable" is difficult to define because 
the minute
I type:

put "Graham" into SAMUEL, the variable SAMUEL "pops into existence", and
it could be argued that the first mention of a variable constitutes its 
declaration.

And if that is what constitutes "declaring a variable" I could hardly 
claim "I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution".

However, I understand "declaring a variable" to mean an

explicit declaration (without assigning a value) at the start of a block 
of code.

And, I have never done that in Runtime Revolution, not, for that matter, in
BBC BASIC . . .  :)

Did it until I was blue in the face way back with MiniFortran (OUCH!), 
Fortran 4
and PASCAL 5; thought I'd never see the likes of it again.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section follows where Richmond puts a baited hook into the Use-List
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey, when is Runtime Revolution going to go Open Source?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
well, you know, wouldn't want to disappoint Kay C Lan now would we ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

However (getting back on topic with an extreme effort of will), when I have
developed software for others than myself I have done this sort of thing:

on mouseUp
  put fld "fENTRY" into VALWUN
  -- VALWUN is the seed that the end-user entered into the field "fENTRY"
  -- the seed can now be run through the algorithm
end mouseUp

while this is not declaring variable it is, at least, giving some 
explanation of
what the variable is/contains and/or what it is used for.

As I pointed out in an earlier post, one can do one's own bl**dy-minded 
thing
with Runtime Revolution far more than with many other programming suites;
this, of course, can have 2 sides:

1. You can program away in a style that suits your way of thinking and 
organisation.

2. It can make other people, who don't share your way of thinking and 
organisation
     find things hard going when they want to understand your code.

Obviously one of the ways to minimise this is by explicit declaration of 
variables,
another way is by extensive annotation within the body of the code, as 
per my
example above.

Graham Samuel wrote:
> I think all this proves that different people can and do use 
> Revolution / xTalk differently. Personally I am persuaded by Jim's 
> argument, and indeed I have changed: when I first came to xTalk after 
> years of using languages where declaration of variables was mandatory, 
> I relished the freedom of not having to do so. But gradually I got 
> tired of debugging my own spelling mistakes and moved over. However I 
> have enormous respect for the Jacque and Richmond, who are clearly 
> highly productive NOT using Strict Compilation, so I'm glad there are 
> the two ways of doing it...
>
> BTW I can't quite follow Richmond when he says
>
>> Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution
>
> Do you never carry values from stack to stack or handler to handler 
> via globals? Maybe you always use custom props. But AFAIK, when you 
> write:
>
>  put "Richmond" into myGlobal
>
> in a handler without a corresponding 'global' declaration, and then in 
> another one in a different galaxy, far away, you write:
>
>  put myGlobal
>
> you won't see "Richmond" in the message box, will you?
>
> As an aside, I noticed that if I start a repeat statement with 
> something like:
>
>  repeat with i = 1 to 20
>
> even with ExplicitVars on, the local variable "i" does not have to be 
> declared. I could not find an explanation of this in the docs, but 
> perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I find this useful, but 
> then I am a convert as explained.
>
> Graham
>
>
> On Sat, 9 May 2009 13:56:11 -1000, u "Jim Bufalini" 
> <jim at visitrieve.com> wrote:
>>
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>> May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear
>>> the asking one more time:
>>>
>>> What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ?
>>
>> - Unles yu ar an perfct typst who has nevr made a typo and nevar use 
>> a speel
>> checker, explicitVariables instantly indicates a speling eror at 
>> compile tim
>> and alows you too quikly corect.
>> - This is also very helpful to people to whom English is a second 
>> language
>> and English spelling is not intuitive and they can and often do put 
>> one r
>> or l in one place and two r's or ll's in another and other such typical
>> English spelling errors.
>> - It allows you to distinguish globals from script locals and 
>> constants both
>> at the script level and handler level.
>> - It allows you to declare globals from inside a handler (which 
>> creates a
>> "semi" global that is only available to other handlers that also 
>> declare the
>> same global).
>> - It makes your code much more readable, not only to others, but to
>> yourself, when you are troubleshooting a problem weeks or months or 
>> years
>> later.
>> - It is "polite" to others with whom you may want to share your code and
>> they have explicitVariables turned on. They are not going to turn it 
>> off for
>> a large project just to look at few lines of your code.
>> - If you use GLX2, it allows GLX2 to offer you variable completion after
>> typing four chars of a declared variable name.
>> - The reason the name was changed is probably because it also checks 
>> that
>> you have not spelled reserved words incorrectly. *set the locaton of 
>> this
>> stack to screnLoc* will not give a compile time error if Strict 
>> Compilation
>> Mode is turned off. If it is on, you get an error. If you are just 
>> learning
>> the language, this is big help.
>>
>> Lastly, although you can "create" variables without declaration, the 
>> fact
>> is, variables cannot be created on-the-fly at runtime. Only array 
>> variables
>> and custom property variables can be created on-the-fly. Otherwise, 
>> you must
>> use a *do* statement, which has limitations, is slow because it is 
>> complied
>> at runtime  and can be tedious and error prone to write a long one. All
>> other variables are whatever you typed on compile.
>>
>> So, given these facts, the real question is:
>>
>> What, if any, is the advantage of NOT declaring variables? ;-)
>>
>> Aloha from Hawaii,
>>
>> Jim Bufalini
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun May 10 06:19:55 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:19:55 +0200
Subject: Mac icons
In-Reply-To: <C62BEA83.636%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62BEA83.636%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <578B1E90-4F03-4DE1-97FA-EF0BAF208772@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Stephen,

Do you want to create an icon to display on your standalone  
application package in the Finder, or are you looking for pictures  
that you can use as icons in your interface?

You can use Icon Composer to create icons from almost any picture.  
Icon composer creates icns files, which you can use in the standalone  
settings of Revolution.

There are several sources where you can download interface icons. Here  
are a few sources:
<http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/icons/>
<http://fasticon.com/freeware/>
<http://www.iconshock.com/vista-icons.php>
<http://www.cubeyellow.com/downloads.html>
<http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/>

I created an unsophisticated set of small icons, which you can find  
here:
<http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html>

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 10 mei 2009, at 08:20, Stephen Cox wrote:

> I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks  
> like
> Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa ? Carbon is  
> being
> dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a  
> set I can
> buy, for Revolution?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Stephen Cox




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 10 09:49:35 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 06:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <00036524.4A05C98B@the-office.us>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<00036524.4A05C98B@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <23470257.post@talk.nabble.com>


Someone suggested entering 'empty' into the dictionary.  Try it.  You get
30-40 entries, with 'empty' as a property, and one with it as a constant,
and two with it as an option on commands.  One of these may or may not tell
you how to set a variable to empty.

This is a bit like setting out to make spaghetti carbonara, and discovering
that you can look up spaghetti in the manual.  There are lots of entries for
the diferent sorts of spaghetti, thick, thin, fresh, wholewheat...  You look
up bacon.  Lots of entries, back, streaky, smoked, pancetta.....  What you
need is a book organised by Things You Want to Make.  Carbonara, Bolognese,
Cheese.   Broccoli and achovies, Putanesca...   I am getting hungry thinking
about it.

So similarly what Rev needs is a book which does not, when you look up
'empty' have all those 40-50 entries.  Instead it has some along the lines
of 'How to empty a variable, field.....'.

Carla's book is a model.  Here is her table of contents

http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596006402/toc.html?CMP=ILL-4GV796923290

And here is an excerpt to show exactly how it works:

Problem

You need to know what files are installed on your system when you install a
program from source code, so that you can find and remove all of them if you
decide you don't want them anymore. Some program authors thoughtfully
include a "make uninstall" target to perform a clean uninstall, but many do
not.

Solution

You can use standard Linux utilities to generate a pre-installation list of
all files on your system. Then generate a post-installation list, and diff
the two lists to make a list of newly-installed files. This example uses
JOE: Joe's Own Editor:

# find / | grep -v -e ^/proc/ -e ^/tmp/ -e ^/dev/ > joe-preinstall.list

Compile and install your new program, then generate the post-installation
list:

# find / | grep -v -e ^/proc/ -e ^/tmp/ -e ^/dev/ > joe-postinstall.list

Then create a list of files installed by Joe by diffing the two lists:

$ diff joe-preinstall.list joe-postinstall.list > joe-installed.list

There are a few more examples here:

http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/excerpt/lnxckbk_1/index.html

Its all organized along the lines of, you are engaged in doing something and
find you would like to do X,   This is how to do it.  Sometimes (as in this
case) there is a discussion (here omitted) afterwards about how it works and
what to be careful of.

You can see, its a dictionary, but organized by problems which in turn are
all grouped under tasks.  You need both kinds.  I am not criticizing the Rev
materials, which are (a) much improved and (b) excellent as what they are. 
But you do need both.  Especially for those starting out with it.  My own
example was a problem which Jim Ault was kind enough to show me how to
manage, using 'filter'.  Filter was there in the dictionary all the time,
I'd just not realized that this was what you used or how you used it to
solve my problem.  But had there been an entry on the lines of, how to
eliminate dupes, or some ways of doing lookups and matches, it would have
been in there.

It would be natural to get contributions in the form of a wiki, and then
have someone edit them into a structure.   Most of the material is probably
around somewhere, just not organized like this.
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 10:12:58 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:12:58 +0300
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <23470257.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<00036524.4A05C98B@the-office.us>
	<23470257.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A06E0EA.80706@gmail.com>

Apart from your obvious fixation on spaghetti  :)

The only problem about these types of recipe books is that it is 
well-nigh impossible to guess
all the recipes that will be required: after all, if it were, there 
would be no original programs
or ideas within programs.

While answers to questions such as "how to I clear a field of data?' may 
be straightforward, and,
almost everybody is going to ask that question sooner rather than later, 
questions such as

How to I download pictures, music and film clips from seven different 
websites, arrange them
across a number of cards, embedding some of the imported data in fields 
according to type,
and export selected parts into a variety of image formats?

Are rather more difficult to foresee, and may not always be capable of 
being broken down into
lesser questions demanding less elaborate and specific answers.

All of us have come across books with titles such as "Moron's guide to 
Spaghetti", and, apart from
the fact that the title's sound rather insulting, they do tend to

"talk down"

provide a 2-dimensional view of things

which may be all well and good if all you want to do is belt out endless 
plates of spaghetti-cheese
and spaghetti-with-some-indefinable-unidentifiable-brown-sludgy-sauce; 
but misses one of the
main points about cooking (and, oddly enough, computer programming); the 
creative possibility
that makes all the difference between the type of people who used to 
dish up some 'orrible filth
they passed-off as 'Four Seasons Spaghetti' at my school, and REAL cooks 
who make you rush
back for more.

Surely, one of the joys of cooking is the possibility for endless 
experimentation.

Aah . . . wait a minute . . . I seem to remember one Dr Alex Comfort . . 
. who wrote a book . . .
about . . .

Hey!  "The Joy of Runtime Revolution" complete with line illustrations 
of all sorts of interesting
object layouts.

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Someone suggested entering 'empty' into the dictionary.  Try it.  You get
> 30-40 entries, with 'empty' as a property, and one with it as a constant,
> and two with it as an option on commands.  One of these may or may not tell
> you how to set a variable to empty.
>
> This is a bit like setting out to make spaghetti carbonara, and discovering
> that you can look up spaghetti in the manual.  There are lots of entries for
> the diferent sorts of spaghetti, thick, thin, fresh, wholewheat...  You look
> up bacon.  Lots of entries, back, streaky, smoked, pancetta.....  What you
> need is a book organised by Things You Want to Make.  Carbonara, Bolognese,
> Cheese.   Broccoli and achovies, Putanesca...   I am getting hungry thinking
> about it.
>
> So similarly what Rev needs is a book which does not, when you look up
> 'empty' have all those 40-50 entries.  Instead it has some along the lines
> of 'How to empty a variable, field.....'.
>
> Carla's book is a model.  Here is her table of contents
>
> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596006402/toc.html?CMP=ILL-4GV796923290
>
> And here is an excerpt to show exactly how it works:
>
> Problem
>
> You need to know what files are installed on your system when you install a
> program from source code, so that you can find and remove all of them if you
> decide you don't want them anymore. Some program authors thoughtfully
> include a "make uninstall" target to perform a clean uninstall, but many do
> not.
>
> Solution
>
> You can use standard Linux utilities to generate a pre-installation list of
> all files on your system. Then generate a post-installation list, and diff
> the two lists to make a list of newly-installed files. This example uses
> JOE: Joe's Own Editor:
>
> # find / | grep -v -e ^/proc/ -e ^/tmp/ -e ^/dev/ > joe-preinstall.list
>
> Compile and install your new program, then generate the post-installation
> list:
>
> # find / | grep -v -e ^/proc/ -e ^/tmp/ -e ^/dev/ > joe-postinstall.list
>
> Then create a list of files installed by Joe by diffing the two lists:
>
> $ diff joe-preinstall.list joe-postinstall.list > joe-installed.list
>
> There are a few more examples here:
>
> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/excerpt/lnxckbk_1/index.html
>
> Its all organized along the lines of, you are engaged in doing something and
> find you would like to do X,   This is how to do it.  Sometimes (as in this
> case) there is a discussion (here omitted) afterwards about how it works and
> what to be careful of.
>
> You can see, its a dictionary, but organized by problems which in turn are
> all grouped under tasks.  You need both kinds.  I am not criticizing the Rev
> materials, which are (a) much improved and (b) excellent as what they are. 
> But you do need both.  Especially for those starting out with it.  My own
> example was a problem which Jim Ault was kind enough to show me how to
> manage, using 'filter'.  Filter was there in the dictionary all the time,
> I'd just not realized that this was what you used or how you used it to
> solve my problem.  But had there been an entry on the lines of, how to
> eliminate dupes, or some ways of doing lookups and matches, it would have
> been in there.
>
> It would be natural to get contributions in the form of a wiki, and then
> have someone edit them into a structure.   Most of the material is probably
> around somewhere, just not organized like this.
>   



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 10:51:08 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:51:08 -0700
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905100104v38b17fbcrefef16a27ce6c9bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
	<1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160905100034n6fa04406n755574ba9dfc13b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905100104v38b17fbcrefef16a27ce6c9bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871702610890.20090510075108@ahsoftware.net>

Bernard-

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 1:04:38 AM, you wrote:

> Maybe these should be listed under this enhancement request (although
> maybe the request should be a bug report instead):

> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7791

The aggregate bug report is bz #4727.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 11:03:37 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 08:03:37 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A06A285.1070404@gmail.com>
References: <20090510034936.8E81D48B3A7@mail.runrev.com>
	<49ED344D-A57F-4267-BD54-AC55BF1C4DE7@mac.com>
	<4A06A285.1070404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1501703359921.20090510080337@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:46:45 AM, you wrote:

> What constitutes "declaring a variable" is difficult to define because

Semantic games aside, the act of "declaring" a variable is a statement
of the form "I intend to use a variable of name x in my code" thusly:

local x

the other process, where rev implicitly creates a variable for you on
first use, is sometimes referred to as "instantiation".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May 10 11:13:53 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 05:13:53 -1000
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <49ED344D-A57F-4267-BD54-AC55BF1C4DE7@mac.com>
References: <20090510034936.8E81D48B3A7@mail.runrev.com>
	<49ED344D-A57F-4267-BD54-AC55BF1C4DE7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c9d181$ee9bbce0$cbd336a0$@com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> As an aside, I noticed that if I start a repeat statement with
> something like:
> 
>   repeat with i = 1 to 20
> 
> even with ExplicitVars on, the local variable "i" does not have to be
> declared. I could not find an explanation of this in the docs, but
> perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I find this useful, but
> then I am a convert as explained.

This is also true for:

Function myFunction pListOfLinesParam
 if pListOfLinesParam <> empty then
  repeat for each line tLine in pListOfLinesParam
   ...
  end repeat
 end if
 return tLine
end myFunction

Neither tLine or pListOfLinesParam needs to be declared even if
expicitVariables is on. And, pListOfLinesParam will return empty (and not
its own var name) if nothing is passed. I've never seen it documented
either, but I "think" tLine is considered a "param" of the repeat and
treated the same as a param of the function, which is that it is considered
declared (there is an some official name for this I think). Just a guess.
Both of these I also find useful and would prefer it not change. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini 



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 11:28:59 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 08:28:59 -0700
Subject: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905100208s5df5fc13n40e83753afbe6eef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62B3F66.5E8%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<1421628998125.20090509112418@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A05E2FE.20404@gmail.com> <00a501c9d101$bb4789d0$31d69d70$@com>
	<4A062781.8030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1541662765546.20090509204706@ahsoftware.net>
	<00a701c9d12c$87b0ffe0$9712ffa0$@com>
	<e5e009d70905100120k73ba4a2et3a374a3208a70ea9@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905100208s5df5fc13n40e83753afbe6eef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <751704882312.20090510082859@ahsoftware.net>

Bernard-

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:08:09 AM, you wrote:

> The interesting thing is that both Jim/Mark & Jacques are right.

...and *that* I think is the real strength of rev/xtalk. Not that
there aren't "wrong" ways to do things (been there, done that, got the
t-shirt), but there are many "right" ways to approach any task. I love
the diversity of learning new ways to do things from folks who do
things differently from me.

> But when I started out with Rev I tried turning on explicit variables
> over several releases, but it was so broken that the IDE stopped
> working (it must have had undeclared variables in it).  So after years
> of not using explict vars, it seems onerous to now switch it on.

That was ages ago, and yes, it was most definitely a problem. I have
explicitVars enabled at all times except when I need to work with
someone else's code whose religious preferences are different. And by
doing so I've been able to report bugs against the IDE which should
never have gotten out the door if the IDE code were explicitVars-safe.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May 10 11:57:15 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:57:15 +0100
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <871702610890.20090510075108@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
	<1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160905100034n6fa04406n755574ba9dfc13b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905100104v38b17fbcrefef16a27ce6c9bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<871702610890.20090510075108@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905100857o5b52a69bya607a1e923eb5ed@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, I must be misunderstanding something.  4727 is about junk
following the end of a grammatical statement.  7791 is about the
acceptance of ungrammatical statements.

I'd say that maybe 4727 should be subsumed under 7791, but certainly
not the other way round.

Bernard

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> Bernard-
>
> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 1:04:38 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Maybe these should be listed under this enhancement request (although
>> maybe the request should be a bug report instead):
>
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7791
>
> The aggregate bug report is bz #4727.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
> ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 10 12:22:07 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:22:07 -0500
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Stephen-
> 
> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:55:13 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Now must I send bribes to end this "debate"?
> 
> ROTFL. Not to worry - comes up once a year or so, along with the
> "what's wrong with globals?" question, just enough to rattle folks'
> cages, then dies down for a while. Feel free to chime in the next time
> it rolls around.
> 

BTW, just so everyone knows, Mark and I have known each other for -- 
what? 20 years? -- and I can vouch for the fact that we can disagree and 
still like each other. We've gone at this before, it's sort of a diversion.

Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little 
sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the 
supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 10 12:23:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:23:38 -0500
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A06FF8A.2000507@hyperactivesw.com>

> Now must I send bribes to end this "debate"?

On second thought, yes, please send bribes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 12:41:16 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:41:16 +0300
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting 
> little sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the 
> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.

'Tis nothing!  I know a chap in Bulgaria who sticks sticky labels on 
each apricot while they are still green and hanging on the tree with
their predicted dates of ripening.

Presumably on the appointed dates he lies under the trees with his mouth 
open waiting for the fruit to drop.

Dunno why, but it reminds me of declaring variables miles and miles away 
from where they are used.  :)



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 13:03:35 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:03:35 -0700
Subject: Completely OT by now: fruit stickers
In-Reply-To: <4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:22:07 AM, you wrote:

> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the 
> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.

Ever notice that they're coded:

Conventionally-grown fruit has four digits
Organic fruit has five digits starting with a nine
GMO fruit has five digits starting with an eight

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 10 13:15:39 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:15:39 -0500
Subject: Completely OT by now: fruit stickers
In-Reply-To: <1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A070BBB.20907@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:22:07 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
>> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the 
>> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
> 
> Ever notice that they're coded:

The ones I see here have a grower symbol on them and no codes. I'd 
understand if there were codes, but these are just stupid. I can't count 
how many labels I accidentally ate at first. Then my stomach walls stuck 
together. I'm gonna sue.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 10 13:17:09 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:17:09 -0500
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode (and fruit)
In-Reply-To: <4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting 
>> little sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the 
>> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
> 
> 'Tis nothing!  I know a chap in Bulgaria who sticks sticky labels on 
> each apricot while they are still green and hanging on the tree with
> their predicted dates of ripening.

You made that up, right? ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Sun May 10 13:37:41 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:37:41 -0400
Subject: Mac icons
In-Reply-To: <578B1E90-4F03-4DE1-97FA-EF0BAF208772@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C62C8925.662%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Thanks. 

-Stephen COx


On 5/10/09 6:19 AM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> Dear Stephen,
> 
> Do you want to create an icon to display on your standalone
> application package in the Finder, or are you looking for pictures
> that you can use as icons in your interface?
> 
> You can use Icon Composer to create icons from almost any picture.
> Icon composer creates icns files, which you can use in the standalone
> settings of Revolution.
> 
> There are several sources where you can download interface icons. Here
> are a few sources:
> <http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/icons/>
> <http://fasticon.com/freeware/>
> <http://www.iconshock.com/vista-icons.php>
> <http://www.cubeyellow.com/downloads.html>
> <http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/>
> 
> I created an unsophisticated set of small icons, which you can find
> here:
> <http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html>
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
> 
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 10 mei 2009, at 08:20, Stephen Cox wrote:
> 
>> I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks
>> like
>> Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa ? Carbon is
>> being
>> dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a
>> set I can
>> buy, for Revolution?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -Stephen Cox
> 
> 
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From david at architex.tv  Sun May 10 13:38:13 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:38:13 +0100
Subject: Command line wants an editor
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905101038i363b2719p6a1c52b8f76bb000@mail.gmail.com>

>
> error: Terminal is dumb but no VISUAL nor EDITOR defined.
> Please supply the message using either -m or -F option.
>

There are quite a few command lines programs that do this - any way to hook
things up so that Rev acts as the editor - so you can shell(someshell) and
when shell asks for an editor....? Not sure how to handle it?


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 10 14:00:57 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:00:57 -0500
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <23467732.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C62C8089.1D28A%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> It will be interesting to use the app and see what's happening.

I'm starting to track this down a bit... today when I launched the program,
it didn't get all the way through it's load process, but got all the windows
up. When I switched between windows, it was pretty fast. Once I got the bug
fixed and it managed to load properly, it was slow again. It now looks like
there's definitely something in the code I'm using because when I have the
System Monitor running I see the CPU at about 5%, but when I click on the
main stage window where there's a default stick figure drawn, it cranks up
to 100% CPU for a few seconds, so there's something going on during the
resumeStack sequence on this stack that's cranking the CPU way high.

Now that I have a clue, I don't think I need to send you a copy Peter
(unless you really want one)... if so, let me know.

In any event, I'll keep everyone posted,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May 10 14:02:42 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 08:02:42 -1000
Subject: Command line wants an editor
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905101038i363b2719p6a1c52b8f76bb000@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905101038i363b2719p6a1c52b8f76bb000@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c9d199$841e0090$8c5a01b0$@com>

Hi David,

Would you provide the actual shell command you are using? Thanks.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> > error: Terminal is dumb but no VISUAL nor EDITOR defined.
> > Please supply the message using either -m or -F option.
> >
> 
> There are quite a few command lines programs that do this - any way to
> hook
> things up so that Rev acts as the editor - so you can shell(someshell)
> and
> when shell asks for an editor....? Not sure how to handle it?
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 14:11:59 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:59 +0300
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode (and fruit)
In-Reply-To: <4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>
	<4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A0718EF.1070003@gmail.com>

Well, I don't know about anything else, but you can, at least, pat yourself
on the back for spotting a HUGE leg-pull!

Love and kisses, Richmond.

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting 
>>> little sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in 
>>> the supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
>>
>> 'Tis nothing!  I know a chap in Bulgaria who sticks sticky labels on 
>> each apricot while they are still green and hanging on the tree with
>> their predicted dates of ripening.
>
> You made that up, right? ;)
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 14:17:20 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:17:20 +0300
Subject: Completely OT by now: fruit stickers
In-Reply-To: <4A070BBB.20907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>	<1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A070BBB.20907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A071A30.6070006@gmail.com>

Life's much simpler here in Bulgaria; you just know that every thing is 
oozing with
nitrates, phosphates and anything else you can imagine.

Which is why I have just returned from our villa out in the coutry, all 
sweaty from pruning
our own fruit trees; which we manure with what comes out of a cow's 
bottom.  :)

And what does this tell us about RR programming, pray tell?

Remind me, if you should run into the conference, and I will regale you
with the usual sh*t.  :)

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Jacque-
>>
>> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:22:07 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting 
>>> little
>>> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the 
>>> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
>>
>> Ever notice that they're coded:
>
> The ones I see here have a grower symbol on them and no codes. I'd 
> understand if there were codes, but these are just stupid. I can't 
> count how many labels I accidentally ate at first. Then my stomach 
> walls stuck together. I'm gonna sue.
>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun May 10 14:38:17 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:38:17 -0700
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the
> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.

Dude: I saw a food-related program about a company who has developed a way
to laser-etch the skin of the fruit with the product digits and spray the
etched regions with a small bit of food coloring to make them legible.  In
effect: editable labels.  I think this is the most phenomenal thing ever,
yet there are those who say this process contaminates the food and want to
continue using stickers.  [sigh]

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun May 10 14:42:07 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
In-Reply-To: <4A06E0EA.80706@gmail.com>
References: <200905090759.08807.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<00036524.4A05C98B@the-office.us> <23470257.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A06E0EA.80706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101137050.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Well, not quite.  For example, there are things that keep coming up (how 
to do tabs, for instance; custom properties as another).  Things like that 
are obvious.  Just because one conceivably can't know them all doesn't 
mean that those that are known can't be put into some sort of FAQ.

Judy

On Sun, 10 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> The only problem about these types of recipe books is that it is well-nigh 
> impossible to guess
> all the recipes that will be required: after all, if it were, there would be 
> no original programs
> or ideas within programs.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun May 10 14:43:41 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Completely OT by now: fruit stickers
In-Reply-To: <1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101143200.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>

You have wayyyyyy too much time on your hands ;-)

Judy

On Sun, 10 May 2009, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Ever notice that they're coded:
>
> Conventionally-grown fruit has four digits
> Organic fruit has five digits starting with a nine
> GMO fruit has five digits starting with an eight


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 15:33:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:18 -0700
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1771719541906.20090510123318@ahsoftware.net>

Scott-

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 11:38:17 AM, you wrote:

> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
>> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the
>> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.

> Dude: I saw a food-related program about a company who has developed a way
> to laser-etch the skin of the fruit with the product digits and spray the
> etched regions with a small bit of food coloring to make them legible.  In
> effect: editable labels.  I think this is the most phenomenal thing ever,
> yet there are those who say this process contaminates the food and want to
> continue using stickers.  [sigh]

You ain't seen nothing yet...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/4343032/RipeSense-labels-will-tell-you-when-fruit-is-ripe.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127504/Colour-coded-sensor-labels-tell-customers-perfect-time-eat-fruit.html

(I get all the best info from the Daily Mail...)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May 10 15:43:49 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:43:49 -1000
Subject: Completely OT by now: fruit stickers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101143200.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>	<1211710558859.20090510100335@ahsoftware.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101143200.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <00aa01c9d1a7$a43db1a0$ecb914e0$@com>

On the other hand, we may be on the precipice of a major serendipity
breakthrough! We have one thread on cookbooks and another on fruit. What
will happens when those two merge? It boggles the mind! Then again, maybe
everyone is just hungry? ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> You have wayyyyyy too much time on your hands ;-)
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Sun, 10 May 2009, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
> > Ever notice that they're coded:
> >
> > Conventionally-grown fruit has four digits
> > Organic fruit has five digits starting with a nine
> > GMO fruit has five digits starting with an eight
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun May 10 15:53:30 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <1771719541906.20090510123318@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<1771719541906.20090510123318@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101252410.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>

The first one at least "reacts" to aromas given off... like our own noses 
couldn't do that :-P

Judy

On Sun, 10 May 2009, Mark Wieder wrote:

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/4343032/RipeSense-labels-will-tell-you-when-fruit-is-ripe.html
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127504/Colour-coded-sensor-labels-tell-customers-perfect-time-eat-fruit.html
>
> (I get all the best info from the Daily Mail...)


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun May 10 16:40:59 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:59 +0100
Subject: Command line wants an editor
In-Reply-To: <00a901c9d199$841e0090$8c5a01b0$@com>
References: <c1c5836b0905101038i363b2719p6a1c52b8f76bb000@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a901c9d199$841e0090$8c5a01b0$@com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905101340q16a1589fi1a2219ebbccc03a5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim, got around it, by digging into the man pages. As an example
though:

svn commit


2009/5/10 Jim Bufalini <jim at visitrieve.com>

> Hi David,
>
> Would you provide the actual shell command you are using? Thanks.
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 10 16:48:12 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:48:12 +0300
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101252410.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<1771719541906.20090510123318@ahsoftware.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905101252410.4383@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A073D8C.8070604@gmail.com>

Well, at last I understand a man in his 50s who worked with me in Saudi 
Arabia
who said something about old fruits being able to recognise each other 
from a distance.

Judy Perry wrote:
> The first one at least "reacts" to aromas given off... like our own 
> noses couldn't do that :-P
>
> Judy
>
> On Sun, 10 May 2009, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/4343032/RipeSense-labels-will-tell-you-when-fruit-is-ripe.html 
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127504/Colour-coded-sensor-labels-tell-customers-perfect-time-eat-fruit.html 
>>
>>
>> (I get all the best info from the Daily Mail...)
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun May 10 17:55:39 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:55:39 +0200
Subject: How to join the Teton Range and the Alps (was: Joining 2 images)
Message-ID: <4A074D5B.9060605@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

I have been touring through the German "National Park Berchtesgaden" 
(about 12 miles from Salzburg, where Mozart was born and lived part of 
his life) for the last two weeks. While I was able to monitor the 
discussion about "Joining 2 images" via my cellphone, I was unable to 
contribute anything to this thread - being busy with climbing up and 
down the snow-capped mountains and having no computer at my disposal.

I was impressed and fascinated by this beautiful part of the Alps, and 
much of it reminded me of the Teton Range in the "Grand Teton National 
Park" in Wyoming near Yellowstone Park. I thought this to be a good 
starting point for a belated contribution to thread "Joining 2 images".

I put together a sample stack

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/JoinOverlappingImages.zip>

focusing on joining and partially blending two images, using an image of 
the Teton Range (not by me) and a photography of the Watzmann Peaks from 
my recent series, the second highest German mountain. When a blending 
range of 300 pixels is applied (given the size of the sample photos in 
the stack) IMO it seems to create a very presentable melting of Teton 
Range and the Watzmann part of the Alps.

Apart from the "blending" script the stack contains Mark Smith's 
"joining" script of May 3 (use-revolution list) and an alternative 
"joining" script by myself on card 2.

Mark's script is surely the fastest solution possible when joining two 
images by "appending" lines of bytes/chars. Such an "appending" approach 
- using "put after" - is useful and possible with lines or successions 
of chars when either the char values remain unchanged or each char of 
the imagedata is modified in the same way and by that independantly of 
any other char or its own position in the imagedata.

If, however, you have to compute new char values by taking into account 
for example surrounding pixels (like with filter scripts; compare my 
"blur" filters in stack "Imagedata Toolkit") or you wish to embed a 
smaller image into a larger one with a perfect blending etc. etc., then 
you have to apply a technique where the location of the individual chars 
is clearly defined by their horizontal and vertical positions inside the 
imagedata. My alternative script on card 2 - although very much slower 
for the purpose of just joining two images - demonstrates such a 
positional approach.

My script for combining two images with a definable overlapping area 
also uses this positional approach.

For those who do not wish to download my sample stack, but would like to 
have a quick look at the script, here is just the text of this script:

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/JoinAndBlendImages.txt>

==========================================

And for those who are just interested in the processed photos and the 
combined result, here are these images in a somewhat bigger format:

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/TetonRange.jpg>
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/Alps-WatzmannPeaks.jpg>

 and the resulting blended image:
 
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/JointTetonAndAlps.jpg>.

While it appeared to me that the "National Park Berchtesgaden" and the 
"Grand Teton National Park" have so much in common, I have to point out 
that there are still some differences. Take - as an example - the 
following buildings in Berchtesgarden:

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ChurchMariaGern.jpg>

You surely will not find such churches and farm houses in the Teton region.-

=========================================

Other less visual differences that come to my mind:

The best way to reach the Teton region is to fly to Jackson Hole and 
rent a car from Alamo to be able to tour the region.
The best way to reach the National Park Berchtesgaden is to come by 
train and then use your "Kurkarte" (which you get when you have booked a 
room for your stay) for "free" traveling with public transport in the 
whole region.

There are some trails in the Teton Range and Yellowstone Park where you 
are asked to leave your address and phone number for better 
identification of your remains - for the case that you would be 
approached by an unfriendly grizzly.
In the Alps a single brown bear was spotted last year - possibly coming 
from the Balkan area - who was immediately "eliminated", which raised a 
heated discussion in the European press.

While it feasable to communicate in an English-like language in the 
Teton region (at least when you listen closely), in Berchtesgaden you 
have to take into account that the so-called "free state" of Bavaria 
(still part of Germany) to which the area belongs, has certain 
privileges and peculiarities, among them an indigenous vernacular, a 
Bavarian dialect that is nowhere else taught and understood in Germany 
or elsewhere. This influences political proceedings in Germany to a 
substantial degree, because it makes it difficult to speak "with one 
voice" in international matters.

Before you enter a restaurant in the Teton region, you have to make sure 
that the restaurant has a license for liquors. Otherwise you might end 
up digesting your steak with biologically correct water or, what is 
worse, Coca Cola.
Mormon country is near.
But there is hope: Even in Salt Lake City, not far from the Tabernacle, 
there is (or was?) a Mexican restaurant - favoured by students of 
Brigham Young University (Devin Asay will surely know) - that serves 
spicy dishes along with alcoholic beverages.

In Berchtesgaden one of the favourite drinks is "Enzian", a liquor made 
form the roots of a blue or yellow flower with a distinctive earthen, 
but wonderful flavor.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/Metamedia>



From jmyepes at mac.com  Sun May 10 18:54:06 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Combobox filled from database
Message-ID: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

I need any help about how to set up some combobox that is filled from a
database. The question is how to show value A but link to the database by
the value B. I fill the combobox with:

<value a> <tab> <tab> <tab> <value B>

Many tabs to hide from the visible area.

But when select the value from the database I don't see how to select the
correct value. Maybe is a stupid question but I don't see how to do...

Salut,
Josep
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 10 19:35:57 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:35:57 -0700
Subject: Should this not be an error ?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905100857o5b52a69bya607a1e923eb5ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A05A1D5.8070105@tweedly.net>
	<1511622368796.20090509093349@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A061B84.3010802@tweedly.net>
	<1891651372437.20090509173713@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160905100034n6fa04406n755574ba9dfc13b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905100104v38b17fbcrefef16a27ce6c9bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<871702610890.20090510075108@ahsoftware.net>
	<edcc7e6b0905100857o5b52a69bya607a1e923eb5ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <471734100625.20090510163557@ahsoftware.net>

Bernard-

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:57:15 AM, you wrote:

> Mark, I must be misunderstanding something.  4727 is about junk
> following the end of a grammatical statement.  7791 is about the
> acceptance of ungrammatical statements.

> I'd say that maybe 4727 should be subsumed under 7791, but certainly
> not the other way round.

You are correct. Mark Waddingham aggregated several bug reports into
4727, but there are other outstanding issues with the parser as well.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun May 10 21:49:40 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:40 -1000
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>

Hi Joseph

> I need any help about how to set up some combobox that is filled from a
> database. The question is how to show value A but link to the database
> by
> the value B. I fill the combobox with:
> 
> <value a> <tab> <tab> <tab> <value B>
> 
> Many tabs to hide from the visible area.
> 
> But when select the value from the database I don't see how to select
> the
> correct value. Maybe is a stupid question but I don't see how to do...

I think you may be trying to use a combo box for a purpose for which it is
not intended. ;-)

Since I know you have ListMagic, maybe a quick and easy way to do what you
need is set up a ListMagic widget into which you populate with two columns
in the form of 

<value a> tab <value b> cr <value a2> tab <value b2>

but make only the first column of the widget visible. I assume there will be
more than one <value a> from which the person selects (otherwise why a combo
box?).

So when the person selects from the visible list of column a, you grab
column b (which is invisible to the user but available to your code) of the
returned line they selected. Then process any way you wish.

Let me know if this is what you are trying to do.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 02:51:58 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>
Message-ID: <23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I want that the list of options will be showed as combobox. 
The use if for example to select the currency by name, but in the database
the currency is stored as one number, or select one category name but in the
database is stored as number.

I think that can store as custom property the codes for the "visible" names,
but I don't know how to search inside and select the item...

With ListMagic can be usefully but I want the combobox visualization.

Salut,
Josep


Jim Bufalini-3 wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph
> 
>> I need any help about how to set up some combobox that is filled from a
>> database. The question is how to show value A but link to the database
>> by
>> the value B. I fill the combobox with:
>> 
>> <value a> <tab> <tab> <tab> <value B>
>> 
>> Many tabs to hide from the visible area.
>> 
>> But when select the value from the database I don't see how to select
>> the
>> correct value. Maybe is a stupid question but I don't see how to do...
> 
> I think you may be trying to use a combo box for a purpose for which it is
> not intended. ;-)
> 
> Since I know you have ListMagic, maybe a quick and easy way to do what you
> need is set up a ListMagic widget into which you populate with two columns
> in the form of 
> 
> <value a> tab <value b> cr <value a2> tab <value b2>
> 
> but make only the first column of the widget visible. I assume there will
> be
> more than one <value a> from which the person selects (otherwise why a
> combo
> box?).
> 
> So when the person selects from the visible list of column a, you grab
> column b (which is invisible to the user but available to your code) of
> the
> returned line they selected. Then process any way you wish.
> 
> Let me know if this is what you are trying to do.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 03:16:48 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:16:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>
	<23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <23478253.post@talk.nabble.com>


Well, I found that with

lineoffset ("Choice 1", button cb_manufacturer)

I obtain the line where the value is. Great... but now I need to select this
line...

Salut,
Josep
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon May 11 03:25:09 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:25:09 -0700
Subject: Repeat Process To Check Contents of File on HTTP Server?
In-Reply-To: <42E150C6-F574-4D5F-A172-D9A60629D890@mac.com>
References: <20090507170003.EC97E48AE58@mail.runrev.com>
	<42E150C6-F574-4D5F-A172-D9A60629D890@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A07D2D5.4000803@pdslabs.net>

Hi John,

I'm assuming the following things are true:

    * everyone is using Windows, or at least all the kids
    * all the computers have access to the same shared hard disk,
      whether it's a file server or one person's computer.
    * there's a 'GoodLinks' folder on the shared disk where your links
      to web pages go.
    * I actually understand what you want to accomplish (that's probably
      the most iffy part)

On those assumptions, you could do this pretty simply. See if the 
following work flow would accomplish your goal.

First, your actions (or "use case" to make it sound more technical):

   1. The shared disk is mounted on your computer (and on all the client
      computers), and you have a shortcut to the shared 'GoodLinks'
      folder sitting on your desktop.
   2. You find a web page you want to share.
   3. You drag the web page's icon from the browser URL box onto the
      'GoodLinks' shortcut. This creates a "myGreatLink.URL" file in the
      GoodLinks folder on the server/shared disk.

Now the students' actions:

   1. When their computers start, a 'Checker' app (see code below) is
      launched and runs quietly in the background.
   2. Checker looks at the names of files in the 'GoodLinks' folder on
      the shared disk every x seconds (using the "send... in" command).
      When it finds a new file, it launches it.

I think that's everything. Now the code:


-- Checker stack script
on openStack
  send "checkForLinks" to me in 5 secs
end openStack


on checkForLinks
  -- get all link names
  set the defaultFolder to "X:/GoodLinks"
  put the detailed files into tList

   -- pick the most recently created link
  filter tList with "*.URL,*" -- to remove non-links from list
  sort lines of tList numeric descending by item 4 of each
  put line 1 of tList into tMostRecentLink
  put item 4 of tMostRecentLink into tMostRecentUpdate

  -- open link in browser if link is new
  if tMostRecentUpdate > (the seconds - 5) then
    launch document (urlDecode(item 1 of tMostRecentLink))
  end if

  -- schedule next execution
  send "checkForLinks" to me in 5 secs
end checkForLinks


A few points about this approach:

    * This way you don't need to store any previous values.
    * the code assumes that everyone's computer times are close to
      correct. If some student computer has their clock set to yesterday
      or tomorrow or last year, this code won't work as expected.
    * If you're using Macs in the classroom you'll probably need to
      change the "filter" command to look for a different file type
      (maybe .webloc), but otherwise it should work.
    * you notice there's no use of http or sockets - it's all done with
      file references.

I hope I got the problem right! I think accurate problem definition is 
about 70% of the solution.
Phil Davis


John Patten wrote:
> Thanks Phil and Bjoernke!
>
> That's what I needed..."send" command. Seems so obvious when you see 
> someone else explain it :-)
>
> Now, that I understand send, here's my dilemma. What I'm trying to 
> create is a little app that allows a teacher in the classroom to push 
> out a web site they have loaded in their "teacher" browser out to to 
> all 32 student laptops in their classroom. I thought this would be a 
> perfect implementation for revBrowser, a custom web browser.  I 
> remember in the past struggling with Rev and opening sockets to try to 
> get two Rev stacks to talk to each other. I never had very much 
> success with that process so I thought I would try to keep it real 
> basic and utilize web sharing and writing out a text file with the 
> teacher's current web site address and time stamp to the local "web 
> sites" folder. The client (student) computers would check that text 
> file every 5 seconds, continually, and then if the time stamp is 
> different from the last web address and time stamp, load the new web 
> address in the client (student) browser.  The key word in those run on 
> sentences is "continually."
>
> In the examples shared, the scripts handlers are opencard and 
> mousedown. They only run, essentially, one time through and after the 
> time stamp is different, the script would end.
>
> I started to mess with an idle handler, but that gets messy real 
> quick. Is what I'm describing possible? To have a script run 
> continually in the background over and over?  Or, maybe I'm going at 
> this custom teacher to student web browser thing all wrong? Any ideas 
> greatly appreciated!
>
> Thank you!
>
> John Patten

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
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From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 11 06:19:50 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:50 -0400
Subject: Combobox filled from database
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com><00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com><23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<23478253.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>

The predefined options of a combo box =

the text of btn "combo"

The currently specified value of a combo box =

the label of btn "combo"

Please note that a combo box by definition allows the specification of 
values that are not pre-defined, and would seem to be a poor choice for an 
indexed value list, as someone could enter "poodle" or anything they wanted 
into the box. An Option menu does not have this problem.

If you were to have an Option menu in which you can get and set according to 
an index n (1,2,3...) then:

-- set the menu choice
set the label of btn "option" to line n of the text of btn "option"

-- get the menu choice
put lineOffset ("Euro", btn "option") into n

Hope that helps.

Bill





"Josep" <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote in message 
news:23478253.post at talk.nabble.com...
>
> Well, I found that with
>
> lineoffset ("Choice 1", button cb_manufacturer)
>
> I obtain the line where the value is. Great... but now I need to select 
> this
> line...
>
> Salut,
> Josep





From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 11 06:25:41 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:25:41 -0400
Subject: On-Rev links
References: <1izd1fq.vk7fgglx1bd8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<211F6FCE-E739-4F1C-8D50-321D91089986@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <gu8uf4$jno$1@ger.gmane.org>

Why was it less than satisfactory?

Just a wild guess here that if you cannot send email, your ISP (Orange) is 
blocking port 25 and you should instead use 587.

> I noted, though, that the mail hosting was less than satisfactory
> -- but I am not sure whether it's on-rev's fault, or Orange's fault!
> (I live in France, and Orange ex-France Telecom is my ISP)





From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 06:29:51 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>
	<23477979.post@talk.nabble.com> <23478253.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>


Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible items when
click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many values...


Salut,
Josep 
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From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Mon May 11 06:33:36 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:33:36 +0200
Subject: sort cards dateTime by field "day" dont works
Message-ID: <1AFEDECC-3401-4E7A-8647-722C44264A37@macbay.de>

Hi!

I have a stack "work" with 14 cards. Each has a field "day".
I create a new card with the script:

    create cd
    put the short system date into fld "day"

Then I want to sort the card by field "day" with the script

    sort cds of stack "work" dateTime by fld "day"

But I failed. My cards are orderd in this way (content of field "day"):

11.05.09
07.05.09
21.01.09
22.01.09
...
30.01.09
01.02.09
05.05.09

What is my mistake?

Thanks
Reinhold


From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 11 06:33:52 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:33:52 -0400
Subject: Combobox filled from database
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com><00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com><23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<23478253.post@talk.nabble.com><gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi Josep,

> Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible items 
> when
> click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many 
> values...

I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a combo 
box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the two is 
than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values.





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon May 11 06:45:02 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:45:02 +0200
Subject: sort cards dateTime by field "day" dont works
In-Reply-To: <1AFEDECC-3401-4E7A-8647-722C44264A37@macbay.de>
References: <1AFEDECC-3401-4E7A-8647-722C44264A37@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <DB9D0003-B851-471F-827F-5164F3792C74@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Reinhold,

> Hi!
>
> I have a stack "work" with 14 cards. Each has a field "day".
> I create a new card with the script:
>
>   create cd
>   put the short system date into fld "day"
>
> Then I want to sort the card by field "day" with the script
>
>   sort cds of stack "work" dateTime by fld "day"
>
> But I failed. My cards are orderd in this way (content of field  
> "day"):
>
> 11.05.09
> 07.05.09
> 21.01.09
> 22.01.09
> ...
> 30.01.09
> 01.02.09
> 05.05.09
>
> What is my mistake?

The engine is english, so you have to tell her that you are not :-D

...
## Force the engine to use your (local german) format for your  
"dateitem" sort:
   set the usesystemdate to true
   sort cds of stack "work" dateTime by fld "day"
...

Should to the trick.

> Thanks
> Reinhold

Best

Klaus

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 06:45:10 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: sort cards dateTime by field "day" dont works
In-Reply-To: <1AFEDECC-3401-4E7A-8647-722C44264A37@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <734879.66904.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Reinhold Venzl-Schubert <r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de> wrote:

> From: Reinhold Venzl-Schubert <r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de>
> Subject: sort cards dateTime by field "day" dont works
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:33 AM
> Hi!
> 
> I have a stack "work" with 14 cards. Each has a
> field "day".
> I create a new card with the script:
> 
>    create cd
>    put the short system date into fld "day"
> 
> Then I want to sort the card by field "day" with
> the script
> 
>    sort cds of stack "work" dateTime by fld
> "day"
> 
> But I failed. My cards are orderd in this way (content of
> field "day"):
> 
> 11.05.09
> 07.05.09
> 21.01.09
> 22.01.09
> ...
> 30.01.09
> 01.02.09
> 05.05.09
> 
> What is my mistake?
> 
> Thanks
> Reinhold
> 

Unfortunately, dateTime assumes en english date, rather than a system date as its sorting source. So, you could have two fields (one hidden, containing the english date; and one for display, containing the system date) and then sort on the hidden field.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon May 11 06:57:59 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:57:59 +0100
Subject: App on Linux - really slow... any ideas why?
In-Reply-To: <1071623551000.20090509095331@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C625F000.1CF39%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<4A009682.8020107@gmail.com> <23407970.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<1071623551000.20090509095331@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C76FFADA-683F-424F-9D26-435EBFC9EE32@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Erm... GLX2 on Linux?! Did I miss a post/update?

Cheers,

Luis.

On 9 May 2009, at 17:53, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Peter-
>
> Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 7:58:58 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Oh dear what a dispiriting thread.  I haven't experienced all this  
>> stuff,
>
> Thanks to this thread I've gone back and loaded the latest rev 3.5
> build onto my Ubuntu installation and find that it's much improved, to
> the point of having a usable IDE once again. Using scrollbars is still
> somewhat of a hit-or-miss situation, but the whole IDE is much more
> responsive, even when editing large scripts. RevOnline and GLX2 are
> both working smoothly and so far all the plugins I had installed seem
> to be working the way they should. Multiple desktops do *not* work,
> and it would be nice if they did, but I'm sure this will get sorted
> out in time.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 06:56:26 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:56:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>
	<23477979.post@talk.nabble.com> <23478253.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org> <23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <23481063.post@talk.nabble.com>


Yes, the syntax is the same, but how combo or option show the values when
click is different. In combo you have a scrollbar to move between the values
and with option all the values are showed..



Bill Marriott wrote:
> 
> Hi Josep,
> 
>> Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible items 
>> when
>> click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many 
>> values...
> 
> I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a combo 
> box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the two is 
> than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values.
> 
> 
> 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May 11 07:08:05 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:08:05 -1000
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com><00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com><23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>	<23478253.post@talk.nabble.com><gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>	<23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <00c701c9d228$c2aa3830$47fea890$@com>

Hi Joseph,

Put the <value a> into a combo box. Put the corresponding <value b> into a
custom property of the combo box. Let's say you call this custom property
"uValueB"

Then on menuPick do something like:

Get line (the menuHistory of me) of the "uValueB" of me 

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

 
> Hi Josep,
> 
> > Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible
> items
> > when
> > click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many
> > values...
> 
> I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a
> combo
> box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the two
> is
> than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values.
> 
> 
> 
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From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Mon May 11 07:14:16 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:14:16 +0200
Subject: sort cards dateTime by field "day" dont works
In-Reply-To: <20090511104516.7E3E448B8B7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090511104516.7E3E448B8B7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <530BEEC4-3491-4EF5-8C5C-5F127B0176E8@macbay.de>

Hi Klaus,

What a stupid mistake ;-)

> The engine is english, so you have to tell her that you are not :-D
>
> ...
> ## Force the engine to use your (local german) format for your
> "dateitem" sort:
>   set the usesystemdate to true
>   sort cds of stack "work" dateTime by fld "day"
> ...

Thanks from old "Scheitelbein"

Reinhold


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May 11 07:30:59 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:30:59 -1000
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <00c701c9d228$c2aa3830$47fea890$@com>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com><00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com><23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>	<23478253.post@talk.nabble.com><gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>	<23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>	<gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<00c701c9d228$c2aa3830$47fea890$@com>
Message-ID: <00c801c9d22b$f605c610$e2115230$@com>

When I saw my own response come through I saw a syntax error. ;-) Leave out
the quotes around uValueB. Also, use an option menu instead of a combo box.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim bufalini

> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Put the <value a> into a combo box. Put the corresponding <value b>
> into a
> custom property of the combo box. Let's say you call this custom
> property
> "uValueB"
> 
> Then on menuPick do something like:
> 
> Get line (the menuHistory of me) of the "uValueB" of me
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
> 
> > Hi Josep,
> >
> > > Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible
> > items
> > > when
> > > click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many
> > > values...
> >
> > I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a
> > combo
> > box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the
> two
> > is
> > than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values.
> >
> >
> >
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon May 11 09:00:27 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:00:27 +0200
Subject: Just one more question for Richmond re globals
In-Reply-To: <20090510170004.7AAE248A795@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090510170004.7AAE248A795@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D52A13C6-C3EA-4D10-ABE0-FCE3CE83096D@mac.com>

I can't help flogging this moribund nag, because I did not understand  
Richmond's response to my question. Do you NEVER use globals,  
Richmond? I think that would make you pretty unusual, unless you are  
completely sold on custom props...

Just curious really.

Graham

Richmond Mathewson recently wrote:

>> BTW I can't quite follow Richmond when he says
>>
>>> Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution
>>
>> Do you never carry values from stack to stack or handler to handler
>> via globals? Maybe you always use custom props. But AFAIK, when you
>> write:
>>
>> put "Richmond" into myGlobal
>>
>> in a handler without a corresponding 'global' declaration, and then  
>> in
>> another one in a different galaxy, far away, you write:
>>
>> put myGlobal
>>
>> you won't see "Richmond" in the message box, will you?



From david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com  Mon May 11 09:47:15 2009
From: david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com (David Beck)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:47:15 -0700
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <20090509005106.F019F48B2F3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090509005106.F019F48B2F3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A082C63.2060804@ministerschedulerpro.com>


Devin and Derrik,

Thanks very much for sharing your expertise in this area!

I'll likely write global install-time preferences on the Mac to a folder in:

/Library/Application Support/

And use a forking method similar to what Richard and Derrik shared.

David Beck
Rotunda Software



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon May 11 11:00:31 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:00:31 EDT
Subject: revOnLine upLoad problem
Message-ID: <ced.57e74b9f.3739978f@aol.com>

It seems I can upload any stack I wish to, except one. I tried several 
others, they went in fine, and I deleted them. The one I want to upload, though, 
just will not go. I am led to random, already uploaded stacks by others, 
instead of the open input arena where one writes tags, instructions, etc.

What I am missing? 

Craig Newman


**************
Recession-proof vacation ideas.  Find free things 
to do in the U.S. 
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon May 11 11:30:41 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:30:41 -0400
Subject: interesting things hiding in rev
Message-ID: <5C785B77-6A8E-42BD-BB34-7458622F31F6@wehostmacs.com>

been busy snooping around rev and noticed some undocumented "features"

these show up in the "commandNames":
_internal
rsadecrypt
rsaencrypt
rsasign
rsaverify

We know that "_internal" is currently used for script colourization  
in the new engine and can only be used in the IDE (does not work in  
compiled apps). It can also be used to create a UUID.
_internal script colorize char 1 to (the number of chars of fld  
"script") of fld "script"
_internal call "generate_uuid"; put the result

How to get the RSA ones to work?


these show up in the "propertyNames"
_hscrollbarid
_ideoverride
_unplacedgroupids
_vscrollbarid
implementation
lzwkey
messagemessages
revavailablehandlers
revavailablevariables
revlicenseinfo
revlicenselimits
revlicensewatermark
revmessageboxredirect
revruntimebehaviour
revunplacedgroupids
watchedvariables

I am assuming "lzwkey" is for registering the extra license for gif.

"revLicenseInfo" returns a list of information about your license  
(your name, company, type of licensee, version of rev, expiry date  
and the number of seats?)

"revLicenseWatermark" returns binary data and I cannot be bothered to  
see what it really is

"_ideoverride" looks like a new window mode(?)
set the _ideoverride of <stack> to TRUE; toplevel <stack>
this will allow you to have non-editable toplevel windows.. the mode  
of <stack> returns 2
set it to FALSE and then toplevel the stack to return it to mode 1  
(editable)


Anyone have any info about the rest?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May 11 11:53:17 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:53:17 +0300
Subject: Just one more question for Richmond re globals
In-Reply-To: <D52A13C6-C3EA-4D10-ABE0-FCE3CE83096D@mac.com>
References: <20090510170004.7AAE248A795@mail.runrev.com>
	<D52A13C6-C3EA-4D10-ABE0-FCE3CE83096D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A0849ED.9010604@gmail.com>

Ahh.  Now that is not as quite as simple as it looks.

I never use globals for the simple reason that my programs are for 
teaching English
as a Foreign Language and, therefore, not highly mathematical.

Most of my programs consist of dragging small images around, typing
text into fields, playing 1-10 word dialogue sound files and so on.

Graham Samuel wrote:
> I can't help flogging this moribund nag, because I did not understand 
> Richmond's response to my question. Do you NEVER use globals, 
> Richmond? I think that would make you pretty unusual, unless you are 
> completely sold on custom props...
>
> Just curious really.
>
> Graham
>
> Richmond Mathewson recently wrote:
>
>>> BTW I can't quite follow Richmond when he says
>>>
>>>> Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution
>>>
>>> Do you never carry values from stack to stack or handler to handler
>>> via globals? Maybe you always use custom props. But AFAIK, when you
>>> write:
>>>
>>> put "Richmond" into myGlobal
>>>
>>> in a handler without a corresponding 'global' declaration, and then in
>>> another one in a different galaxy, far away, you write:
>>>
>>> put myGlobal
>>>
>>> you won't see "Richmond" in the message box, will you?
>
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From benr at cogapp.com  Mon May 11 12:05:28 2009
From: benr at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:05:28 +0100
Subject: accessing https URLS with basic authentification
In-Reply-To: <4A0428BE.24409.787ADB9B@p.williams.alkazar.net>
References: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>,
	<edcc7e6b0905080424s9750fb1vad53d5bd4af958b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0428BE.24409.787ADB9B@p.williams.alkazar.net>
Message-ID: <4A084CC8.9040906@cogapp.com>

On 8/5/09 12:42, Paul Williams wrote:
> Don't forget only Rev Enterprise supports https.

On 8/5/09 12:24, Bernard Devlin wrote:
 > Basic Auth should still work with https.
 >
 > I think the problem might be to do with the verification of the SSL
 > certificate.  Try running this before you make your https URL call:
 >
 > libUrlSetSSLVerification false

Thanks both for your replies.  I am using Enterprise, and can retrieve https 
from a site not requiring basic auth fine.

I've tried Bernard's suggestion of libUrlSetSSLVerification (btw I notice that 
there's no documentation for this command - Bernard can I ask where you found 
out about it?) - however the setting of this seems to make no difference.

As noted, curl is fine (as is Firefox).

Normally in this sort of situation, I can watch the network traffic to pin 
down the difference between the exchange that works and the (Rev) exchange 
that doesn't - but in this case it's a load of encrypted stuff!  All I can see 
is the pattern of blocks, as below - but as I don't know anything about the 
https protocol, I don't understand its significance, if any.  Does it indicate 
that Rev has missed out a step?  Or that Rev has in somehow encoded the 
authorisation in a way that the server doesn't like, hence the final block in 
the conversation with Rev is an 'unauthorised, please go away', while the 
conversation with curl starts to deliver the actual data?

             Rev                         curl
             ---                         ----
             client:  0 bytes            client:  0 bytes
             server:  0 bytes            server:  0 bytes
             client:  0 bytes            client:  0 bytes
             client:  118 bytes          client:  102 bytes

             server:  0 bytes            server:  0 bytes
             server:  1368 bytes         server:  1368 bytes
             server:  1368 bytes         server:  1368 bytes

             client:  0 bytes            client:  0 bytes
             server:  1368 bytes         server:  1368 bytes
             client:  0 bytes            server:  935 bytes
             server:  935 bytes          client:  0 bytes
             client:  0 bytes

             client:  198 bytes          client:  198 bytes
             server:  59 bytes           server:  59 bytes
             client:  0 bytes            client:  0 bytes

             client:  218 bytes          client:  277 bytes
             server:  0 bytes            client:  277 bytes
             server:  554 bytes          server:  0 bytes
             client:  0 bytes            server:  1368 bytes
                                         server:  1368 bytes
                                         server:  10 bytes
                                         client:  0 bytes
                                         client:  0 bytes
                                         client:  37 bytes
                                         client:  0 bytes
                                         server:  0 bytes
                                         server:  37 bytes
                                         client:  0 bytes
                                         server:  0 bytes
                                         client:  0 bytes
                                         server:  0 bytes
                                         client:  0 bytes


I also no longer seem to be able to step into libURL code in the debugger - is 
this something we lost in the 3.0 rollout?

Any further suggestions gratefully received...

Ben

>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I can load an "https" URL fine.
>>>
>>> I can load an "http" URL protected using 'basic' authentification,
>> using
>>> either the "http://user:password at www.somewhere.com/" format, or by
>> using the
>>> HTTPHeaders property to explicitly add an "Authorization: Basic
>> xxx" header.
>>> But I can't load an "https" URL that's protected using basic
>>> authentification, using either of the methods described above.
>>>
>>> Is this a known problem?  Can anyone else either reproduce this
>> problem, or
>>> alternatively confirm that they _can_ load such a URL?
>>>
>>> (NB1 this is on Mac OS X, Rev 3.0 and 3.5.)
>>>
>>> (NB2 I can retrieve the URL fine using "curl" in the terminal -
>> and in fact
>>> for now I'm working around the problem by using shell() to invoke
>> curl.  But
>>> I really want to handle URLs of this form in the same way I'm
>> handling other
>>> http URLs in my app, which give me more control.)
>>>
>>> Any insights gratefully received,
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Ben




From bobs at twft.com  Mon May 11 12:11:04 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:11:04 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <8A13A8FD-04E8-4C44-9F71-53BE0183E596@rcn.com>
References: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>
	<8A13A8FD-04E8-4C44-9F71-53BE0183E596@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <ABF13CD8-5324-47A5-A490-2A2B40E668E6@twft.com>

I think we are mincing words here. It's a simple matter of changing  
the way the math function works. It should be doing math on the  
displayed value not the stored value, because that is what a human  
being who doesn't know about processor math errors would expect. And  
by the way I think it's a bug in the way the processor does math myself.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 9, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On May 9, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Giovanni Cannizzaro wrote:
>
>> Using the value function (i've tried put
>> value(283.67-150.00-133.67)>0 instead of
>> put (283.67-150.00-133.67)>0 as suggested by Scott Rossi)
>> temporarily solve my
>> problems but I think it's a Revolution bug so I make my bug-report
>> 'caus i'm a jolly good fellow!!!
>
> It's not a Revolution bug, it's a system or computer math processor
> limitation. The exact same problem shows in Flash and Director for
> example.
>
>
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From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 11 12:19:11 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:19:11 -0400
Subject: Combobox filled from database
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com><00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com><23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<23478253.post@talk.nabble.com><gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<23480818.post@talk.nabble.com><gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<23481063.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <gu9j5u$t4q$1@ger.gmane.org>

Only on Mac. Windows shows a scrollbar for both.... So if you use the 
built-in controls you'll have to choose between the untidy screen 
presentation of a long list, or the potential for someone to enter arbitrary 
data into the box that is not part of the index.

Either way the two script lines I supplied will work.

You might consider building a custom control using parent scripts, which 
could solve both issues of the appearance and the indexing. (You could even 
implement keyboard support.)

"Josep" <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote in message 
news:23481063.post at talk.nabble.com...
>
> Yes, the syntax is the same, but how combo or option show the values when
> click is different. In combo you have a scrollbar to move between the 
> values
> and with option all the values are showed..
>
>
>
> Bill Marriott wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josep,
>>
>>> Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible items
>>> when
>>> click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many
>>> values...
>>
>> I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a 
>> combo
>> box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the two is
>> than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values.





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 12:26:31 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:26:31 -0700
Subject: interesting things hiding in rev
In-Reply-To: <5C785B77-6A8E-42BD-BB34-7458622F31F6@wehostmacs.com>
References: <5C785B77-6A8E-42BD-BB34-7458622F31F6@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <1201794735375.20090511092631@ahsoftware.net>

S-

Monday, May 11, 2009, 8:30:41 AM, you wrote:

> watchedvariables

> Anyone have any info about the rest?

The watchedvariables is a list of variable contexts (one per line)
that you would like to trigger breakpoints. The format is

context,handler,variable,value

Probably not useful unless you're writing your own variable watcher /
debugger combination.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 12:36:56 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:36:56 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <ABF13CD8-5324-47A5-A490-2A2B40E668E6@twft.com>
References: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>
	<8A13A8FD-04E8-4C44-9F71-53BE0183E596@rcn.com>
	<ABF13CD8-5324-47A5-A490-2A2B40E668E6@twft.com>
Message-ID: <2C187227-DC12-4E98-B997-CDC35DB42A09@rcn.com>


On May 11, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I think we are mincing words here. It's a simple matter of changing  
> the way the math function works.

I understand that it's an oddity that the computer doesn't quite see  
how simple the numbers are, but that happens for humans too. Take a  
simple case of expressing 2/3 as a floating point decimal number, you  
can't actually type out the exact value, even with unlimited monkeys  
to do the typing for you. That's a case where decimal has its  
limitations. Computers have different limitation cases, because  
they're working in binary.

That said, having a mathPrecision equivalent to numberFormat would  
solve the issue too, any tiny amounts below the mathPrecision value  
would be rounded up or down.




From briany at qldlearning.com  Mon May 11 12:45:48 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:45:48 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <2C187227-DC12-4E98-B997-CDC35DB42A09@rcn.com>
References: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>
	<8A13A8FD-04E8-4C44-9F71-53BE0183E596@rcn.com>
	<ABF13CD8-5324-47A5-A490-2A2B40E668E6@twft.com>
	<2C187227-DC12-4E98-B997-CDC35DB42A09@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C4D20BF6-2DC8-47DE-A32B-038F023516D7@qldlearning.com>

Agree on the mathPrecision value. While it is true that floating point  
values are an issue in any programming language, Rev should NOT be  
failing on simple comparisons with two decimal places. Computers are  
limited in floating point math, but they are perfectly capable of  
handling 2 decimals places!!

An alternative would be to delve into significant digits, but I'm  
afraid that would cause more confusion than anything...

>
> On May 11, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> I think we are mincing words here. It's a simple matter of changing  
>> the way the math function works.
>
> I understand that it's an oddity that the computer doesn't quite see  
> how simple the numbers are, but that happens for humans too. Take a  
> simple case of expressing 2/3 as a floating point decimal number,  
> you can't actually type out the exact value, even with unlimited  
> monkeys to do the typing for you. That's a case where decimal has  
> its limitations. Computers have different limitation cases, because  
> they're working in binary.
>
> That said, having a mathPrecision equivalent to numberFormat would  
> solve the issue too, any tiny amounts below the mathPrecision value  
> would be rounded up or down.





From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon May 11 12:47:06 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:47:06 +0100
Subject: accessing https URLS with basic authentification
In-Reply-To: <4A084CC8.9040906@cogapp.com>
References: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905080424s9750fb1vad53d5bd4af958b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0428BE.24409.787ADB9B@p.williams.alkazar.net>
	<4A084CC8.9040906@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905110947m47fc3a08x80ef6f1f90ad0767@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.lacscentre.com/liburl/liburldoc.html#libUrlSetSSLVerification

For some strange reason there is additional libURL documentation that
is not included with Rev.

Bernard


On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Ben Rubinstein <benr at cogapp.com> wrote:

> I've tried Bernard's suggestion of libUrlSetSSLVerification (btw I notice
> that there's no documentation for this command - Bernard can I ask where you
> found out about it?) - however the setting of this seems to make no
> difference.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon May 11 12:47:33 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:47:33 +0100
Subject: accessing https URLS with basic authentification
In-Reply-To: <4A084CC8.9040906@cogapp.com>
References: <4A037237.2050900@cogapp.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905080424s9750fb1vad53d5bd4af958b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0428BE.24409.787ADB9B@p.williams.alkazar.net>
	<4A084CC8.9040906@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905110947p7f85d9f3jb1adf647e6f37973@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/11 Ben Rubinstein <benr at cogapp.com>

>
> Any insights gratefully received,
>>>
>>>
None I can think of Ben - had a similar problem trying to debug an https
connection. The only thing I can think of is changing HTTP Agent in the
headers - it is the sort of thing that https sites do block. AFAIK - https
conections are completely wrap http connectionas within an ssl layer? If so
- then basic auth should not be affected in any way at all. Let us know if
you figure out a way to debug HTTPS connections :)


From bobs at twft.com  Mon May 11 13:21:45 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:21:45 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <C4D20BF6-2DC8-47DE-A32B-038F023516D7@qldlearning.com>
References: <4A052F74.5030402@yahoo.it>
	<8A13A8FD-04E8-4C44-9F71-53BE0183E596@rcn.com>
	<ABF13CD8-5324-47A5-A490-2A2B40E668E6@twft.com>
	<2C187227-DC12-4E98-B997-CDC35DB42A09@rcn.com>
	<C4D20BF6-2DC8-47DE-A32B-038F023516D7@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <5431B36A-E0BB-4E1F-ADC7-F423A7258488@twft.com>

I was thinking of a new property called MathPrecision or something.  
Set the mathprecision to -2 would round to 2 decimal places for the  
result of any math equasion. Set the mathprecision to 2 would round to  
the nearest 100. The default could be -9 in which case the prior error  
in floating point math that started this thread would not have occurred.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 11, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Agree on the mathPrecision value. While it is true that floating point
> values are an issue in any programming language, Rev should NOT be
> failing on simple comparisons with two decimal places. Computers are
> limited in floating point math, but they are perfectly capable of
> handling 2 decimals places!!
>
> An alternative would be to delve into significant digits, but I'm
> afraid that would cause more confusion than anything...
>
>>
>> On May 11, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>>> I think we are mincing words here. It's a simple matter of changing
>>> the way the math function works.
>>
>> I understand that it's an oddity that the computer doesn't quite see
>> how simple the numbers are, but that happens for humans too. Take a
>> simple case of expressing 2/3 as a floating point decimal number,
>> you can't actually type out the exact value, even with unlimited
>> monkeys to do the typing for you. That's a case where decimal has
>> its limitations. Computers have different limitation cases, because
>> they're working in binary.
>>
>> That said, having a mathPrecision equivalent to numberFormat would
>> solve the issue too, any tiny amounts below the mathPrecision value
>> would be rounded up or down.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 14:38:24 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:38:24 -0500
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
Message-ID: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>

I was curious about the time difference between quoted and unquoted 
literals, which we were discussing in another thread. Though our tests 
seemed to show there is no significant difference, conceptually it 
didn't make any sense to me. So I asked one of the engineers at RR about 
it and got some interesting info.

As Jerry J suggested, it's true that any unquoted literal is resolved at 
compile time, and after that it acts just as a quoted literal would. A 
temporary variable is created and given the value of its own name if you 
don't supply a different value, so myFld becomes a variable named 
"myFld" with a value of "myFld". A compile usually happens every time 
the script is run for the first time during a session. In real world 
applications, the difference in speed would be unnoticeable because the 
resolution only has to happen once. These would both take about the same 
amount of time after the first usage:

get fld testFld
get fld "testFld"

Our original tests, which ran a repeat loop inside a single handler, 
would only have to resolve the field name once, and after that all 
references to the field behaved as though they were a quoted field name 
-- which in essence, they were.

But there is a case where the engine recompiles the script on every 
access, and that is when using the "send" command. The engine re-parses 
the script on each call before it handles the message. So a better test 
would be to run a repeat loop that sends a command to another object. We 
set up a test to do that:

# Btn 1 script:
on mouseUp
    put the milliseconds into start
    repeat 100000
       send "test" to btn 2
    end repeat
    put the milliseconds - start into tTest1
    put the milliseconds into start
    repeat 100000
       send "test" to btn 3
    end repeat
    put the milliseconds - start into tTest2
    put tTest1 && tTest2
end mouseUp

# Btn 2 script (quoted field name):
on test
    get the text of fld "testFld"
end test

# Btn 3 script (unquoted field name):
on test
   get the text of fld testFld
end test

The difference in speed is apparent using this benchmark. The engine has 
to reparse the field name on every call. On the RR machine the 
difference was about 20ms. On my slower machine, it was 54ms.

In real-world situations, there probably isn't much difference between 
quoted and unquoted literals, unless you are sending thousands of 
requests to other objects. If your scripts are only using an unquoted 
literal locally, it will be resolved the first time the engine sees it 
and behave just like a quoted literal for the remainder of that 
particular script.

I repeated the test to see if including "the" when refering to 
properties made a difference. In buttons 2 and 3:

get rect of fld "testFld"
get the rect of fld "testFld"

In this test only the word "the" varies. The difference in speed when 
omitting "the" from property references is much smaller than when 
dealing with unquoted literals, but it still exists. In real-world usage 
it probably doesn't matter much.

Geek trivia. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 11 14:46:07 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:46:07 -0600
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <07F10FD5-AD12-471A-99CD-2D2DFD676362@byu.edu>


On May 11, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I was curious about the time difference between quoted and unquoted
> literals, which we were discussing in another thread. Though our tests
> seemed to show there is no significant difference, conceptually it
> didn't make any sense to me. So I asked one of the engineers at RR  
> about
> it and got some interesting info.

<interesting stuff deleted>

> In this test only the word "the" varies. The difference in speed when
> omitting "the" from property references is much smaller than when
> dealing with unquoted literals, but it still exists. In real-world  
> usage
> it probably doesn't matter much.
>
> Geek trivia. :)

And I am totally geeking out!

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 14:49:41 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:49:41 -0500
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <23481063.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>	<00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>	<23477979.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<23478253.post@talk.nabble.com>	<gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>	<gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<23481063.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A087345.30809@hyperactivesw.com>

Josep wrote:
> Yes, the syntax is the same, but how combo or option show the values when
> click is different. In combo you have a scrollbar to move between the values
> and with option all the values are showed..

I agree with Bill that a combo box isn't the best choice for this, but 
you could do it like this:

Create a custom property of the button with the real list you want to 
use. Separate the two values on each line with a comma (or a tab if you 
prefer), like this:

   Color,pink
   Shape,square
   Visible,true

In the button's menu, put only the first item of each line:
   Color
   Shape
   Visible

When the user chooses an item, it will be returned to the menupick 
handler as the first parameter. Then you search the custom property to 
get the second value:

on menuPick which
  put the cValues of me into values
  put lineoffset(which, values) into lineNum
  put item 2 of line lineNum of values into userChoice
end menuPick

The variable "userChoice" now contains the second item in the chosen line.

You will have to determine what to do when the user types an entry into 
the combobox that does not exist in your property list.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon May 11 15:17:40 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:17:40 +0300
Subject: [OT] GIMP paint studio
Message-ID: <4A0879D4.70308@gmail.com>

Those of you who cannot afford Photoshop, have 'funny feelings'
about proprietary software, don't "do" either Macintosh or Windows,
can afford Photoshop but would rather spend the money on
Runtime Revolution  :) 

(err, why would you spend an awful lot of money on something
when there is something just as good available for FREE?

Much more sensible to spend it on something that is extremely
good and is not available for FREE . . . Runtime Revolution)

might well give this a look:

http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/gim-paint-studio-gimp-optimized-for.html

It presupposes you already have GIMP installed:

http://www.gimp.org/

It is "poly-platform"!



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 15:40:14 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <5431B36A-E0BB-4E1F-ADC7-F423A7258488@twft.com>
Message-ID: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> Subject: Re: Math issue, isn't it?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 10:21 AM
> I was thinking of a new property called MathPrecision or
> something. Set the mathprecision to -2 would round to 2
> decimal places for the result of any math equasion. Set the
> mathprecision to 2 would round to the nearest 100. The
> default could be -9 in which case the prior error in
> floating point math that started this thread would not have
> occurred.
> 
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
> 
HyperCard used 'byte arithmetic' for its calculations - where numbers are stored as strings and each digit occupies a byte. While you still couldn't accurately represent a number with an infinite number of decimals (like 1/3 = 0.3333333...) it allowed for high precision mathematics.

But this came at the cost of performance: CPU architectures come with multiple integer and floating point arithmetic units, where numebrs are represented in a 'condensed' binary form of 4 to 16 bytes. Some numbers simply can't be represented accurately in binary form and will soon result in small differences.

In Java, you have to choose between integer/double or BigInteger/BigDecimal numbers for your arithmetics. The former are just as fast as their native counterparts, but the latter are an order of magnitude slower but provide excellent precision - so that's why they're uaually employed for business apps inspite of the added complexity.

Scott Raney - the original developer of Metacard, the underlying engine for Revolution - opted for the better speed of CPU-native numbers, instead of the byte arithmetic algorithm as implemented in HyperCard. For most purposes, floating-point calculations using doubles provides more than sufficient precision; but there will always be corner cases.

I'm intrigued by the idea of a 'mathPrecision' local property, but I'm afraid it would be a serious undertaking to modify the engine - especially multiplying numbers that have a high number of digits could suffer from additional compounded rounding errors.

And to finish off: there are so many ways to handle rounding itself that it isn't even funny, unless you're an engineer; here's a link to a webpage with more information about rounding than you might ever want to know: <http://www.diycalculator.com/popup-m-round.shtml>

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      


From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 16:09:07 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:09:07 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>


On May 11, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> Scott Raney - the original developer of Metacard, the underlying  
> engine for Revolution - opted for the better speed of CPU-native  
> numbers, instead of the byte arithmetic algorithm as implemented in  
> HyperCard

While that is interesting, HyperCard also has the same math issue. So  
does Javascript (I know that's not like Java, but you might think that  
its math was on the same lines):

on mouseUp
set the numberformat to "#.0000000000000000"
answer 283.67-150.00-133.67
end mouseUp

shows an answer of .0000000000000284. This:

<html><script type="text/javascript">alert(283.67-150.00-133.67)</ 
script></html>

alerts an answer of 2.842170943040401e-14. So it seems like everyone  
gets it wrong!

For completeness, I tried Java too:

println((283.67-150.00)-133.67);

shows as 1.5258789E-5, so Java is off on its own level of error.




From bobs at twft.com  Mon May 11 16:25:33 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:25:33 -0700
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8E5E4DA6-E27D-40E6-A45A-B199AE2BC447@twft.com>

Are you sure you are not from the planet Vulcan? ;-)

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 11, 2009, at 11:38 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I was curious about the time difference between quoted and unquoted
> literals, which we were discussing in another thread. Though our tests
> seemed to show there is no significant difference, conceptually it
> didn't make any sense to me. So I asked one of the engineers at RR  
> about
> it and got some interesting info.




From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Mon May 11 16:27:19 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:27:19 +0200
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <45439851-CEDF-45AD-A11E-5AF0FAB2B469@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 11 mai 09 ? 22:09, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

>
> On May 11, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> Scott Raney - the original developer of Metacard, the underlying  
>> engine for Revolution - opted for the better speed of CPU-native  
>> numbers, instead of the byte arithmetic algorithm as implemented in  
>> HyperCard
>
> While that is interesting, HyperCard also has the same math issue.  
> So does Javascript (I know that's not like Java, but you might think  
> that its math was on the same lines):
>
> on mouseUp
> set the numberformat to "#.0000000000000000"
> answer 283.67-150.00-133.67
> end mouseUp
>
> shows an answer of .0000000000000284. This:
>
> <html><script type="text/javascript">alert(283.67-150.00-133.67)</ 
> script></html>
>
> alerts an answer of 2.842170943040401e-14. So it seems like everyone  
> gets it wrong!
>
> For completeness, I tried Java too:
>
> println((283.67-150.00)-133.67);
>
> shows as 1.5258789E-5, so Java is off on its own level of error.
>
>
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my two cents:
if you want arbitrary precision, work with rational numbers (i.e.,  
fractions of integers). All operations only require a finite number of  
bytes to be exact. If you want to represent functions, try to use  
rational operations. For instance, a Lagrange interpolation over a set  
of rational knots (for instance, linear interpolation between two  
points with rational coordinates) are solved by a linear systems with  
rational coefficients, and yields a rational value at rational points;  
therefore, the computations yield exact results (in fractional form).  
If I remember well, this line of thought was followed by Wolfram in  
the implementations of Mathematica that I have come to see.
On the other hand, "numerical packages" like Matlab rely on floating  
point arithmetic; the advantage is that the number of bytes required  
to represent a number is fixed once for all (it does not grow  
dynamically). It is well suited to multiplication, but fails miserably  
on summation when the numbers do not have a "similar" magnitude.

"Infinity is long, especially towards the end"
	Woody Allen (?)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 16:40:36 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:40:36 -0500
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <8E5E4DA6-E27D-40E6-A45A-B199AE2BC447@twft.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8E5E4DA6-E27D-40E6-A45A-B199AE2BC447@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4A088D44.8080201@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Are you sure you are not from the planet Vulcan? ;-)

Shhh! You'll blow my cover.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From support at ahsomme.com  Mon May 11 16:44:22 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:44:22 -0700
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>

Jacque,
It is wonderful geek trivia!
Seems like it has been a very long time since we've had a speed  
comparison like this on the list.
I love them.
Hope you get curious again, soon '-)
Paul Looney


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 16:40:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:40:49 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <1501809993359.20090511134049@ahsoftware.net>

<sigh>

I forgot that this thread comes up once a year or so as well.
There should probably be a FAQ somewhere for questions like

Why isn't Revolution open source?
What's wrong with global variables?
What does "unquoted literal" mean?
Why can't computers do math?
Why can't I say "x = 3"?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Mon May 11 16:48:37 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:48:37 -0700
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AA0FD367-F099-4072-B1A3-4DAE631278AB@twft.com>

Well it looks for all the world then, that in order to write any kind  
of accounting application in Revolution, one would have to write their  
own functions like newADD(), newSUBTRACT() and the like, which  
internally would use the value() function on every argument, as well  
as the result of every argument. In addition it could be based upon a  
custom property of (let's say) 9, but could be temporarily overridden  
by another passed arguement. Not undoable, and in fact kind of  
challenging. Hmmm... Math Library anyone?

I must say however that real accounting or math based applications  
obviously have some way to deal with this.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 11, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

>
> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
>> Subject: Re: Math issue, isn't it?
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 10:21 AM
>> I was thinking of a new property called MathPrecision or
>> something. Set the mathprecision to -2 would round to 2
>> decimal places for the result of any math equasion. Set the
>> mathprecision to 2 would round to the nearest 100. The
>> default could be -9 in which case the prior error in
>> floating point math that started this thread would not have
>> occurred.
>>
>> Bob Sneidar
>> IT Manager
>> Logos Management
>> Calvary Chapel CM
>>
> HyperCard used 'byte arithmetic' for its calculations - where  
> numbers are stored as strings and each digit occupies a byte. While  
> you still couldn't accurately represent a number with an infinite  
> number of decimals (like 1/3 = 0.3333333...) it allowed for high  
> precision mathematics.
>
> But this came at the cost of performance: CPU architectures come  
> with multiple integer and floating point arithmetic units, where  
> numebrs are represented in a 'condensed' binary form of 4 to 16  
> bytes. Some numbers simply can't be represented accurately in binary  
> form and will soon result in small differences.
>
> In Java, you have to choose between integer/double or BigInteger/ 
> BigDecimal numbers for your arithmetics. The former are just as fast  
> as their native counterparts, but the latter are an order of  
> magnitude slower but provide excellent precision - so that's why  
> they're uaually employed for business apps inspite of the added  
> complexity.
>
> Scott Raney - the original developer of Metacard, the underlying  
> engine for Revolution - opted for the better speed of CPU-native  
> numbers, instead of the byte arithmetic algorithm as implemented in  
> HyperCard. For most purposes, floating-point calculations using  
> doubles provides more than sufficient precision; but there will  
> always be corner cases.
>
> I'm intrigued by the idea of a 'mathPrecision' local property, but  
> I'm afraid it would be a serious undertaking to modify the engine -  
> especially multiplying numbers that have a high number of digits  
> could suffer from additional compounded rounding errors.
>
> And to finish off: there are so many ways to handle rounding itself  
> that it isn't even funny, unless you're an engineer; here's a link  
> to a webpage with more information about rounding than you might  
> ever want to know: <http://www.diycalculator.com/popup-m-round.shtml>
>
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same  
> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 16:54:40 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:54:40 -0500
Subject: revOnLine upLoad problem
In-Reply-To: <ced.57e74b9f.3739978f@aol.com>
References: <ced.57e74b9f.3739978f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A089090.5010709@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> It seems I can upload any stack I wish to, except one. I tried several 
> others, they went in fine, and I deleted them. The one I want to upload, though, 
> just will not go. I am led to random, already uploaded stacks by others, 
> instead of the open input arena where one writes tags, instructions, etc.
> 
> What I am missing? 

Which RevOnline? If it is the old one (before version 3.5), and you've 
uploaded the stack before, there can be a glitch. To fix it you have to 
remove the custom property that identifies the stack to the server. The 
easiest way to do that is to open the stack's property inspector (make 
sure Revolution UI Elements in Lists is turned on in the View menu). 
Select the custom property set "cRevOnline" from the lower popup list 
and delete the entire set. Then delete any old copy of the stack that's 
still in RevOnline and try uploading again. This might also apply to 
RevOnline 3.5 but I haven't tested that.

If you've never uploaded the stack before then...don't know.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 16:56:18 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:56:18 -0500
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
In-Reply-To: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62C6D29.41730%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A0890F2.9070504@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
>> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the
>> supermarket. If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
> 
> Dude: I saw a food-related program about a company who has developed a way
> to laser-etch the skin of the fruit with the product digits and spray the
> etched regions with a small bit of food coloring to make them legible.  In
> effect: editable labels.  I think this is the most phenomenal thing ever,
> yet there are those who say this process contaminates the food and want to
> continue using stickers.  [sigh]

What a terrific way to encourage good eating habits. Etch naked ladies 
on apples.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 16:57:22 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:57:22 -0500
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <1501809993359.20090511134049@ahsoftware.net>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>	<BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>
	<1501809993359.20090511134049@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A089132.9020702@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> <sigh>
> 
> I forgot that this thread comes up once a year or so as well.
> There should probably be a FAQ somewhere for questions like
> 
> Why isn't Revolution open source?
> What's wrong with global variables?
> What does "unquoted literal" mean?
> Why can't computers do math?
> Why can't I say "x = 3"?
> 

And "how come we can't use dot syntax?"

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 17:05:48 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:05:48 -0500
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Looney wrote:
> Seems like it has been a very long time since we've had a speed 
> comparison like this on the list.

You know what I miss? Remember those scripting competitions we used to 
have on the HC list? Someone would propose a challenge and everyone 
would jump in and write their best shot at the most elegant solution. 
Those were fun.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Mon May 11 17:06:19 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:06:19 -0400
Subject: [OT] GIMP paint studio
In-Reply-To: <4A0879D4.70308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C62E0B8B.6BA%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Does the Gimp still require xwindows to run on the mac? Or did someone
finally port it to run natively?


On 5/11/09 3:17 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Those of you who cannot afford Photoshop, have 'funny feelings'
> about proprietary software, don't "do" either Macintosh or Windows,
> can afford Photoshop but would rather spend the money on
> Runtime Revolution  :)
> 
> (err, why would you spend an awful lot of money on something
> when there is something just as good available for FREE?
> 
> Much more sensible to spend it on something that is extremely
> good and is not available for FREE . . . Runtime Revolution)
> 
> might well give this a look:
> 
> http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/gim-paint-studio-gimp-optimized-for.html
> 
> It presupposes you already have GIMP installed:
> 
> http://www.gimp.org/
> 
> It is "poly-platform"!
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 17:27:26 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:27:26 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Monday, May 11, 2009, 2:05:48 PM, you wrote:

> You know what I miss? Remember those scripting competitions we used to
> have on the HC list? Someone would propose a challenge and everyone 
> would jump in and write their best shot at the most elegant solution.
> Those were fun.

Thanks. I've been looking for an excuse for this. Here's one that came
my way recently (and this gets to the heart of some of the recent math
stuff as well):

...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 17:42:40 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:42:40 -0400
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <38BB54FA-5191-411B-90CF-607F10BB2782@rcn.com>


On May 11, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>
>
> ...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...


That's so easy!:

put item 2 of "3.1415926,  
55835073295300465536628086585786672357234389, 2.718281828"





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 17:44:45 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:44:45 -0500
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A089C4D.5000609@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
> Monday, May 11, 2009, 2:05:48 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> You know what I miss? Remember those scripting competitions we used to
>> have on the HC list? Someone would propose a challenge and everyone 
>> would jump in and write their best shot at the most elegant solution.
>> Those were fun.
> 
> Thanks. I've been looking for an excuse for this. Here's one that came
> my way recently (and this gets to the heart of some of the recent math
> stuff as well):
> 
> ...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...
> 

<groan> That's MATH! I can't even enter. :( The last time I heard about 
Fibonacci, I was reading the Da Vinci Code.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 17:51:35 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:51:35 -0500
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <38BB54FA-5191-411B-90CF-607F10BB2782@rcn.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
	<38BB54FA-5191-411B-90CF-607F10BB2782@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <4A089DE7.6010305@hyperactivesw.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
> On May 11, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> ...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...
> 
> 
> That's so easy!:
> 
> put item 2 of "3.1415926, 55835073295300465536628086585786672357234389, 
> 2.718281828"

ROTFL! But that's only 44 chars. Keep going.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 17:59:25 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:59:25 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <38BB54FA-5191-411B-90CF-607F10BB2782@rcn.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
	<38BB54FA-5191-411B-90CF-607F10BB2782@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <1181814709328.20090511145925@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

No fair. I meant show your work. How do you get there in xtalk?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon May 11 18:01:38 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:01:38 +0100
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A08A042.3000301@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> Thanks. I've been looking for an excuse for this. Here's one that came
> my way recently (and this gets to the heart of some of the recent math
> stuff as well):
>
> ...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...
>
>   

I don't suppose you'd be impressed by

> put url 
> "http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibtable.html" 
> into temp
> replace numtochar(13) with CR in temp
> filter temp with "*211*:*"
> set the itemDel to ":"
> put word 1 of item 2 of temp

Hmmm - maybe a real solution will take longer :-)

-- Alex.


From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 18:05:21 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:05:21 -0400
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <4A08A042.3000301@tweedly.net>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A08A042.3000301@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <B244B49D-263D-4A6B-93B5-4C57C4D12A9D@rcn.com>


On May 11, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> put url "http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibtable.html 
>> " into temp
>> replace numtochar(13) with CR in temp
>> filter temp with "*211*:*"
>> set the itemDel to ":"
>> put word 1 of item 2 of temp

That was exactly the thought I had, but then decided that copy and  
paste of the answer was quicker.




From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon May 11 18:45:32 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:45:32 EDT
Subject: revOnLine upLoad problem
Message-ID: <ce3.4bf8f384.373a048c@aol.com>

Jacques.

It's a good thing we have you around. All the criteria you mentioned are in 
fact so. Will try your suggestions.

Thanks again...

Craig

In a message dated 5/11/09 4:54:56 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> Which RevOnline? If it is the old one (before version 3.5), and you've
> uploaded the stack before, there can be a glitch. To fix it you have to
> remove the custom property that identifies the stack to the server. The
> easiest way to do that is to open the stack's property inspector (make
> sure Revolution UI Elements in Lists is turned on in the View menu).
> Select the custom property set "cRevOnline" from the lower popup list
> and delete the entire set. Then delete any old copy of the stack that's
> still in RevOnline and try uploading again. This might also apply to
> RevOnline 3.5 but I haven't tested that.
> 
> If you've never uploaded the stack before then...don't know.
> 




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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon May 11 18:49:34 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:49:34 -0700
Subject: Sending Email with attachment
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860904201558y482d6288ud6e959901f812f1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <459b22a90904181440h40f90ddeqd6caf9356dfcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>	<23120589.post@talk.nabble.com>	<459b22a90904190510p2bc45d4cr4cb5cfc2742e764e@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904200229u192a3f20mb29763dc64782c9d@mail.gmail.com>	<D9765E15-9C57-43F0-BE45-91875CD4ACE0@azurevision.co.uk>	<23134611.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860904201558y482d6288ud6e959901f812f1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A08AB7E.3070701@pdslabs.net>

Hi Sarah,

Would you be willing to share those scripts? A Rev-generated email with 
attachment is exactly what I need at the moment.

Thanks -
Phil Davis


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM, BNig <niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>   
>> In /library/scripts/mail scripts/ there is a nice example 'Create New
>> Message' with the option for an attachment.
>> It should get you started (did not test it though)
>>
>>     
>
> I have some Rev scripts that use AppleScript & Mail to create an email
> with attachments.
> If anyone wants an example, just let me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon May 11 18:54:39 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:54:39 EDT
Subject: Scripting competition
Message-ID: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>

Colin, besides being a superb programmer as well as a wise-ass, always 
promoted the idea that the competition emphasize providing a solution in the 
fewest lines. He usually won.

Craig Newman


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From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 18:59:08 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:59:08 -0400
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
Message-ID: <380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>


On May 11, 2009, at 6:54 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Colin, besides being a superb programmer as well as a wise-ass, always
> promoted the idea that the competition emphasize providing a  
> solution in the
> fewest lines. He usually won.

I might have a real go at this one, once I understand what on earth it  
means.




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 11 19:15:57 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:15:57 +1000
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905111615l4da78a94ga8adf9648480eed1@mail.gmail.com>

>> You know what I miss? Remember those scripting competitions we used to
>> have on the HC list? Someone would propose a challenge and everyone
>> would jump in and write their best shot at the most elegant solution.
>> Those were fun.
>
> Thanks. I've been looking for an excuse for this. Here's one that came
> my way recently (and this gets to the heart of some of the recent math
> stuff as well):
>
> ...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...


I want extra credit for doing it in on-rev :-)

<http://troz.on-rev.com/fib.irev>

BUT.... it isn't accurate :-(
I don't know enough maths to do it any way other than by straight
addition and the numbers get too big to be accurate.

Cheers,
Sarah


From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 19:16:10 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:16:10 -0400
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>

Ok, I feel sure there's some recursive way that would be harder to  
read, and fewer lines, but this'll do:

on mouseUp
    ask "How Big"
    if it is not empty then answer fibber(it)
end mouseUp

function fibber n
    put 0 into n1
    put 1 into n2
    repeat with a = 2 to n
       put n1+n2 into t
       put n2 into n1
       put t into n2
    end repeat
    return t
end fibber





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 19:30:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:30:49 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
	<75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

ROTFL. Maybe I should have specified that you have to arrive at the
correct answer...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 19:36:33 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:36:33 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905111615l4da78a94ga8adf9648480eed1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1911812790171.20090511142726@ahsoftware.net>
	<f99b52860905111615l4da78a94ga8adf9648480eed1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <381820537343.20090511163633@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Monday, May 11, 2009, 4:15:57 PM, you wrote:

> I want extra credit for doing it in on-rev :-)

> <http://troz.on-rev.com/fib.irev>

> BUT.... it isn't accurate :-(

OK - you get extra credit for the on-rev thing. That's very cool. And
bonus points for tripping over what the problem is. But the answer is
still wrong.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 11 20:01:21 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:01:21 -0400
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
	<75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>
	<801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <3E4CA733-2AC5-49FE-9876-BD5EC592818B@rcn.com>

My answers match the online table, unless you're thinkig of zero being  
the first entry, in which case Your f(n) = Real f(n-1).

Sent from my iPhone

On May 11, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Colin-
>
> ROTFL. Maybe I should have specified that you have to arrive at the
> correct answer...
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 20:57:41 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:57:41 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <3E4CA733-2AC5-49FE-9876-BD5EC592818B@rcn.com>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
	<75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>
	<801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>
	<3E4CA733-2AC5-49FE-9876-BD5EC592818B@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <1701825405015.20090511175741@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Monday, May 11, 2009, 5:01:21 PM, you wrote:

> My answers match the online table, unless you're thinkig of zero being
> the first entry, in which case Your f(n) = Real f(n-1).

Using your code and answering 211 I get

55835073295300463000000000000000000000000000

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 21:05:48 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Combobox filled from database
In-Reply-To: <4A087345.30809@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23474905.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<00b701c9d1da$c04ff0f0$40efd2d0$@com>
	<23477979.post@talk.nabble.com> <23478253.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<gu8u46$ilv$1@ger.gmane.org> <23480818.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<gu8uuf$l4i$1@ger.gmane.org> <23481063.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A087345.30809@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <23494507.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks to all. I will try it... 

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 21:13:11 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
Message-ID: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi list,

It's posible to write the value of a custom property in a standalone? I
trying but I can't obtain any succes.

I use "set the cpDummy of stack "s_main_stack" to true"

This work in a standalone? Can I modify the custom properties? or only are
read-only?

Salut,
Josep M
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon May 11 21:15:29 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Best way to get the path to one stack/standalone
Message-ID: <23494588.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi list,

What is the best way to get the path where is it one stack or standalone? To
open it from script?

Salut,
Josep  
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Mon May 11 21:17:52 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:17:52 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <1701825405015.20090511175741@ahsoftware.net>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
	<75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>
	<801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>
	<3E4CA733-2AC5-49FE-9876-BD5EC592818B@rcn.com>
	<1701825405015.20090511175741@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <8E951A65-0B97-4970-BD36-D63808226E5A@qldlearning.com>

Graciously submitted. I believe this will eventually fail, because it  
uses naive "carry the 1" logic, but seems to match up through fib(300)  
at least.

function fib n
   put 0 into thisNum
   put 1 into nextNum
   repeat n-1
      put 0 into tCarry
      put empty into tSum
      if (length(nextNum) > length(thisNum)) then put "0" before thisNum
      repeat with i=length(nextNum) down to 1
         get ((char i of thisNum) + (char i of nextNum) + tCarry)
         if (it <10) then
            put 0 into tCarry
            put it before tSum
         else
            put 1 into tCarry
            put (it - 10) before tSum
         end if
      end repeat
      if (tCarry= 1) then put "1" before tSum
      put nextNum into thisNum
      put tSum into nextNum
   end repeat
   return tSum
end fib



From jhj at jhj.com  Mon May 11 21:35:02 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:35:02 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <20090511233544.D389848B507@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090511233544.D389848B507@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A3E34D06-CE18-42AF-A363-9F3892FB7E23@jhj.com>

> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>
> ROTFL. Maybe I should have specified that you have to arrive at the
> correct answer...

I get digests, so I bet somebody beat me to it.
This gives the right answers, I think...

into your message box:
go URL "http://jhjensen.com/calcFibs.rev"

--Jerry J


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon May 11 21:40:05 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:40:05 -0700
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A08D375.7030703@pdslabs.net>

I believe you can apply cp settings to the standalone and they will 
'stick' until you close the app, then they go away.

Phil Davis


Josep wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> It's posible to write the value of a custom property in a standalone? I
> trying but I can't obtain any succes.
>
> I use "set the cpDummy of stack "s_main_stack" to true"
>
> This work in a standalone? Can I modify the custom properties? or only are
> read-only?
>
> Salut,
> Josep M
>   

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 11 21:42:01 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:42:01 -0700
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
Message-ID: <4A08D3E9.5040209@fourthworld.com>

Josep wrote:
> It's posible to write the value of a custom property in a standalone? I
> trying but I can't obtain any succes.

<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/saving_data_in_revolution.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:25:00 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:25:00 +1000
Subject: Best way to get the path to one stack/standalone
In-Reply-To: <23494588.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23494588.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905111925h503dbe99o43847374e9245476@mail.gmail.com>

> What is the best way to get the path where is it one stack or standalone? To
> open it from script?

Here is my Mac function for getting the folder containing the app or the stack:

-- get folder containing actual application
-- or stack if in development mode
--
function applicationFolder
  put the effective filename of this stack into tFull
  put empty into tFolder
  set the itemdel to "/"
  repeat for each item i in tFull
    if i contains ".app" or i contains ".rev" then exit repeat
    put i & "/" after tFolder
  end repeat
  return tFolder
end applicationFolder

On the Mac, the actual path is a bit weird as the application itself
is a folder. The executable is inside that folder and you can see it
and all the other components of the app by right-clicking on the app
and choosing "Show Package Contents".

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 22:32:51 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:32:51 -0500
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A08DFD3.5080801@hyperactivesw.com>

Josep wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> It's posible to write the value of a custom property in a standalone? I
> trying but I can't obtain any succes.
> 
> I use "set the cpDummy of stack "s_main_stack" to true"
> 
> This work in a standalone? Can I modify the custom properties? or only are
> read-only?

You can create, set, and read custom properties in a standalone. But 
when the standalone quits, the properties will not be saved.

If you have built a standalone that contains custom properties, they 
will be permanent and in fact, can't be deleted. Standalones can't alter 
themselves, so whatever is in them when they are built is what they will 
always contain.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon May 11 22:38:40 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:38:40 -0700
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <4A08DFD3.5080801@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A08DFD3.5080801@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <15EF8AA0-9463-498B-B5D1-A3C16E827A8B@cox.net>

But if you saved the changed CPs to an external text file, could you  
not then load those values back to the CPs on startup of the standalone?

Joe Wilkins

On May 11, 2009, at 7:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Josep wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> It's posible to write the value of a custom property in a  
>> standalone? I
>> trying but I can't obtain any succes.
>> I use "set the cpDummy of stack "s_main_stack" to true"
>> This work in a standalone? Can I modify the custom properties? or  
>> only are
>> read-only?
>
> You can create, set, and read custom properties in a standalone. But  
> when the standalone quits, the properties will not be saved.
>
> If you have built a standalone that contains custom properties, they  
> will be permanent and in fact, can't be deleted. Standalones can't  
> alter themselves, so whatever is in them when they are built is what  
> they will always contain.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 22:41:04 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:41:04 -0500
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <15EF8AA0-9463-498B-B5D1-A3C16E827A8B@cox.net>
References: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A08DFD3.5080801@hyperactivesw.com>
	<15EF8AA0-9463-498B-B5D1-A3C16E827A8B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4A08E1C0.2070506@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> But if you saved the changed CPs to an external text file, could you not 
> then load those values back to the CPs on startup of the standalone?

Oh yes. Certainly. You can save them anywhere outside the standaone, 
such as in a prefs file or wherever you want. You just can't save 
changes to the standalone itself.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:43:43 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:43:43 +1000
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <8E951A65-0B97-4970-BD36-D63808226E5A@qldlearning.com>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>
	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>
	<75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>
	<801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>
	<3E4CA733-2AC5-49FE-9876-BD5EC592818B@rcn.com>
	<1701825405015.20090511175741@ahsoftware.net>
	<8E951A65-0B97-4970-BD36-D63808226E5A@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905111943lfbc05afhe0735e98e27d820b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com> wrote:
> Graciously submitted. I believe this will eventually fail, because it uses
> naive "carry the 1" logic, but seems to match up through fib(300) at least.
>
> function fib n
> ?put 0 into thisNum
> ?put 1 into nextNum
> ?repeat n-1
> ? ? put 0 into tCarry
> ? ? put empty into tSum
> ? ? if (length(nextNum) > length(thisNum)) then put "0" before thisNum
> ? ? repeat with i=length(nextNum) down to 1
> ? ? ? ?get ((char i of thisNum) + (char i of nextNum) + tCarry)
> ? ? ? ?if (it <10) then
> ? ? ? ? ? put 0 into tCarry
> ? ? ? ? ? put it before tSum
> ? ? ? ?else
> ? ? ? ? ? put 1 into tCarry
> ? ? ? ? ? put (it - 10) before tSum
> ? ? ? ?end if
> ? ? end repeat
> ? ? if (tCarry= 1) then put "1" before tSum
> ? ? put nextNum into thisNum
> ? ? put tSum into nextNum
> ?end repeat
> ?return tSum
> end fib

Thanks for this Brian, I have altered my on-rev page to use your
algorithm, so now I am officially disqualified :-)
<http://troz.on-rev.com/fib.irev>

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:48:01 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:48:01 +1000
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <A3E34D06-CE18-42AF-A363-9F3892FB7E23@jhj.com>
References: <20090511233544.D389848B507@mail.runrev.com>
	<A3E34D06-CE18-42AF-A363-9F3892FB7E23@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905111948t57f726dfm90481bad7e659e07@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
>> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>>
>> ROTFL. Maybe I should have specified that you have to arrive at the
>> correct answer...
>
> I get digests, so I bet somebody beat me to it.
> This gives the right answers, I think...
>
> into your message box:
> go URL "http://jhjensen.com/calcFibs.rev"
>

Jerry, this seems to give the same correct results as Brian's does,
but I noticed it was rather slow.
Checking your script, you update the display in the field every time
through the loop.
I realise this was just a quick hack stack but this is generally a bad
technique.

It is vastly better to assemble all the data into a variable and only
put it into the field once.
By making that change, I got the running time for your script down
from 1022 milliseconds to 21!

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 11 23:09:31 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:09:31 -0500
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <8E951A65-0B97-4970-BD36-D63808226E5A@qldlearning.com>
References: <d2c.49cc526a.373a06af@aol.com>	<380C451D-84FB-4AD3-ADEB-A206F3EF54FC@rcn.com>	<75350B39-8600-406E-BB6D-62C5C8B2DC31@rcn.com>	<801820193015.20090511163049@ahsoftware.net>	<3E4CA733-2AC5-49FE-9876-BD5EC592818B@rcn.com>	<1701825405015.20090511175741@ahsoftware.net>
	<8E951A65-0B97-4970-BD36-D63808226E5A@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <4A08E86B.2070305@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:

> function fib n
>   put 0 into thisNum
>   put 1 into nextNum
>   repeat n-1
>      put 0 into tCarry
>      put empty into tSum
>      if (length(nextNum) > length(thisNum)) then put "0" before thisNum
>      repeat with i=length(nextNum) down to 1
>         get ((char i of thisNum) + (char i of nextNum) + tCarry)
>         if (it <10) then
>            put 0 into tCarry
>            put it before tSum
>         else
>            put 1 into tCarry
>            put (it - 10) before tSum
>         end if
>      end repeat
>      if (tCarry= 1) then put "1" before tSum
>      put nextNum into thisNum
>      put tSum into nextNum
>   end repeat
>   return tSum
> end fib

Works, so I condensed a few lines, and added the ability to return the 
whole list:

function fib n
   put 0 into thisNum
   put 1 into nextNum
   repeat n-1
     put 0 into tCarry
     put empty into tSum
     if (length(nextNum) > length(thisNum)) then put "0" before thisNum
     repeat with i=length(nextNum) down to 1
       get (char i of thisNum) + (char i of nextNum) + tCarry
       put it div 10 into tCarry
       put it mod 10 before tSum
     end repeat
     if (tCarry= 1) then put "1" before tSum
     put nextNum into thisNum
     put tSum into nextNum
     put tSum & cr after tList
   end repeat
   return tList
end fib


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 11 23:11:40 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:11:40 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition results
Message-ID: <391833443640.20090511201140@ahsoftware.net>

Well, the correct answer to "what is the 211th Fibonacci number is, of
course, 55835073295300465536628086585786672357234389. This is way
beyond the limits of integer arithmetic on a poor little digital
computer, and you will, as Sarah Reichelt pointed out, start to
overflow the accumulators at around Fibonacci number 79. Unfortunately
there's no warning about the overflow, and as Colin Holgate found out,
you can't calculate this the easy way. So you have to do the Long
Addition yourself, pretending that you're the digital computer.

So here are the standings:

Colin Holgate came in first with the right answer but couldn't show
how to do it in xtalk. Apparently he looked the answer up on the web,
so he gets the Fundamentalist award for getting the literal answer to
the question first. It *is* what I asked.

Alex Tweedly also came in with the right answer by screen-scraping an
existing web page. So Alex gets the James Kirk "I couldn't win the
game so I reprogrammed the computer" award. It's not exactly what I
had in mind, but I should have phrased the question differently.

Sarah Reichelt gets the Coolness award for doing this on on-rev, but
ran into the overflow problem and so came up with the wrong answer.

I went out for a walk, came back, and found that both Brian Yennie and
Jerry Jensen had come in with the right solution. Brian beat Jerry by
18 minutes because Jerry's on digest mode (Jerry- I got off digest
mode last year and I'm *really* glad I did). They're both pretty close
to the approach I took: managing the carry bit yourself and creating a
numeric text string for the result.

But somehow Brian's code is about 20% faster than either Jerry's or
mine. So Brian gets the Elegance award for fast and accurate code. I
went back to look at Sarah's code, but I see she's already modified
her web page to use Brian's algorithm, with a nice twist.

http://troz.on-rev.com/fib.irev

(I would have given more extra credit points but nobody declared their
variables <g>)
  
-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon May 11 23:39:41 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:39:41 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <4A08E86B.2070305@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C62E3D8D.417C1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Now that folks have posted some solutions that apparently work, can someone
explain why using a simple algorithm doesn't?

function findFib pNum
   put 0 into num1
   put 1 into num2
   repeat pNum - 1
      put num1 + num2 into num3
      put num2 into num1
      put num3 into num2
   end repeat
   return num3
end findFib

There's no decimals involved (unless you use a formula, which I've been
trying to do) so what limitation is the computer running up against?

Thanks for answering the mathemalacking of us.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May 11 23:40:48 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:40:48 +0800
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <AA0FD367-F099-4072-B1A3-4DAE631278AB@twft.com>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AA0FD367-F099-4072-B1A3-4DAE631278AB@twft.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905112040g7eecdd5bk245bea6842d4af5c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Well it looks for all the world then, that in order to write any kind of
> accounting application in Revolution, one would have to write their own
> functions...


Not just Rev but as explained above, every application has to deal with this
anomaly. I wont bore you with the DAYS of hair pulling I've been going
through with xCode at the moment just to achieve something similar;
something I can solve in 2 sec in Rev!!!! (to be fair I'm sure an xCoder,
which I'm defiintely not, could do it in 2 sec too:-)

>
> I must say however that real accounting or math based applications
> obviously have some way to deal with this.
>

Yes, and this is where the Developer comes in, that's what your job is;-) I
think one of the many 'side-effects' of Rev is that because it's so easy to
work with many people think its a Finished App, they compare Rev with
PowerPoint, a Web Browser, Excel etc, and although you can do all these
things in Rev what the comparison should be is Rev and xCode or whatever the
code is that underlines these apps and how quick and easy was ALL THAT CODE
to produce:-(

Guaranteed, whatever app you are thinking of that can come up with the
correct answer to your math problem, some Developer specifically tweaked the
code to account for a binary machine that doesn't think like a human.

Elsewhere you wrote:


> It should be doing math on the displayed value not the stored value,
> because that is what a human being who doesn't know about processor math
> errors would expect.
>

NO! That is so NOT what every other program does and I'll susggest not what
you expect either. Start up Excel, Numbers or whatever your preferred
spreadsheet and try this:

In the first row, first cell put 1, in the second cell put 3 and in the
third cell put =A1/B1.
The answer your are going to get is something like 0.333333 (depending on
cell width)
Now set up the Display Precision to 1 decimal point so it displays 0.3
Copy the above into two more rows below, so you have three lines of the same
thing.
In cell C4 put =sum(C1:C3) and presto the answer is 1.0

If it worked the way you wanted it to it should say 0.9?

Change the first column from 1s to 2s and you get 3 displayed 0.7s adding up
correctly to 2.0, not your 2.1

The concept that the 'machine' is working with a different number (normally
more precise) than what is displayed I believe is a commonly accepted
standard.

The fact that Excel displays the correct answer in the above case is not a
function of C, C++ or whatever code it may have been written in, but the
fact that some Developer took the appropriate steps to ensure the underlying
Code did what was necessary with what numbers that were available to come up
with an answer a human really was expecting. Specifically, if you increase
the precision of the SUM field to it's maximum (28 decimal places for
Numbers) it still wont say 0.9999999999999999999999999999, so someone
somewhere added some tricky code to deal with repeating decimals so that at
full precision it wouldn't display the machine's limitation but be corrected
to display the human acceptable answer.

At the end of the day you are the Developer, you are now aware of a
limitation that exists in binary thinking, now it's up to you to develop
your app so whatever numbers your human Users put into it, will come out the
way you believe they want it to come out - if that's 0.9 and 2.1 in the
above case, IMO that's your prerogative, not RunRevs.


From briany at qldlearning.com  Mon May 11 23:45:40 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:45:40 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <C62E3D8D.417C1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62E3D8D.417C1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <912A1258-7C00-46D9-82DC-39F0AF8BFBC5@qldlearning.com>

In short, the number gets too big -- for example, if you are working  
with 32 bit integers, anything over 2^32 is out of range and will  
"roll over" or other such wonkiness.

> Now that folks have posted some solutions that apparently work, can  
> someone
> explain why using a simple algorithm doesn't?
>
> function findFib pNum
>  put 0 into num1
>  put 1 into num2
>  repeat pNum - 1
>     put num1 + num2 into num3
>     put num2 into num1
>     put num3 into num2
>  end repeat
>  return num3
> end findFib
>
> There's no decimals involved (unless you use a formula, which I've  
> been
> trying to do) so what limitation is the computer running up against?
>
> Thanks for answering the mathemalacking of us.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May 11 23:48:58 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:48:58 +0800
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <4A089132.9020702@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <360197.71771.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<BF88651F-3B96-4874-8133-FEDD4D07FF11@rcn.com>
	<1501809993359.20090511134049@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A089132.9020702@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905112048t13044280n8247e4a03b12b9a4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:57 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> Why isn't Revolution open source?
> What's wrong with global variables?
> What does "unquoted literal" mean?
> Why can't computers do math?
> Why can't I say "x = 3"?
>
> And "how come we can't use dot syntax?"
>
> The HC refugee sub-section:

Why doesn't Rev save continually like HC did?
Why don't HC stacks seamlessly open in Rev?
Why doesn't Rev's Find work as fast as HCs

;-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May 12 00:40:20 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:40:20 +0800
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode (and fruit)
In-Reply-To: <4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com> <4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>
	<4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905112140g72a60f4aw2707ada45ab0c5a4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:17 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
>>> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the supermarket.
>>> If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
>>>
>>
>> 'Tis nothing!  I know a chap in Bulgaria who sticks sticky labels on each
>> apricot while they are still green and hanging on the tree with
>> their predicted dates of ripening.
>>
>
> You made that up, right? ;)
>
>
OK, I'll give you one that is absolutely true.

An acquaintance invited me to visit one of his factories in China, he worked
for MadCatz that make PC game controllers and they were having an issue with
one of their combined steering, gearshift, brake and accelerator modules so
he was off to investigate.

The factory was one of the better ones I've visited but still stereotypical
of what you see in the movies, a long conveyor belt with women sitting
either side armed with appropriate tools and boxes of parts behind them,
they'd each add their assigned bit and at the end of the conveyor you had a
completed product.

At the 'finished' end there was a girl who'd plug the device in, do a couple
of laps around Silverstone or Monaco and if everything was OK into it's box
it went. As we were there for a QC problem I noted that when she grabbed the
controller off the conveyor it already had one of those ubiquitous gold QC
stickers attached. Strange I thought, surely that was her job to apply the
sticker but as she wasn't I figured I'd stroll backwards up the conveyor to
see who exactly was applying the QC sticker.

Turned out I had to stroll all the way back to the very FIRST girl on the
line, she pulled the base plate out of her box of parts and applied the very
first part. The box of hundreds of base plates came with the QC sticker
already applied!

For the one person who may only be slightly interest in what the real
problem was. Turned out that as winter had descended on the region it was
getting darker earlier. The region had electricity restriction so part of
the Factory ran on Mains whilst luxury items like Lights had their own
diesel generator for power, but this only came on at a certain time. So
there was a period of about 30-60 min where it became quite dim in the
factory and the girls responsible for soldering the 16 rainbow coloured
cable were occasionally getting the white and cream coloured cables mixed
up.

The solution, turn the generator on earlier, NO, too costly. Instead, make a
simple socket, battery and lamp device that plugged into the cable, if the
lamp failed to illuminated the cables were crossed so the girls needed to
unsolder the connection and swap the two white looking cables!


From mickclns at mac.com  Tue May 12 01:15:15 2009
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:15:15 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <20090511170005.F2FF348A467@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090511170005.F2FF348A467@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1CA52CA4-6D64-4659-8B25-083F63887206@mac.com>

It seems to me that significant digits might be a better way to go  
than mathPrecision.  Problem is in comparing something like
3^-6 - 3^-7  = 0   or   3^-26 - 3^-27  = 0.  If that is what you  
intend you would likely have a problem with the latter being true,  
when for your purposes it isn't, if you are using a precision based  
on number of digits, rather than number of significant digits.  Or am  
I misunderstanding something here?

Any comments on my function from a couple days ago?
****************************
Until the matter is finished being debated and a plan of action is
decided on, a function could be used such as

function numsAreEqual n1, n2, epsilon
     return abs(n1 - n2) < epsilon
end numsAreEqual

If your testing of the immediate comparison indicates to you that
there are no roundoff problems, then use =, otherwise use this
function or your own variant with an epsilon that seems prudent.
******************************




> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:45:48 -0700
> From: Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com>
> Subject: Re: Math issue, isn't it?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <C4D20BF6-2DC8-47DE-A32B-038F023516D7 at qldlearning.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Agree on the mathPrecision value. While it is true that floating point
> values are an issue in any programming language, Rev should NOT be
> failing on simple comparisons with two decimal places. Computers are
> limited in floating point math, but they are perfectly capable of
> handling 2 decimals places!!
>
> An alternative would be to delve into significant digits, but I'm
> afraid that would cause more confusion than anything...
>
>>
>> On May 11, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>>> I think we are mincing words here. It's a simple matter of changing
>>> the way the math function works.
>>
>> I understand that it's an oddity that the computer doesn't quite see
>> how simple the numbers are, but that happens for humans too. Take a
>> simple case of expressing 2/3 as a floating point decimal number,
>> you can't actually type out the exact value, even with unlimited
>> monkeys to do the typing for you. That's a case where decimal has
>> its limitations. Computers have different limitation cases, because
>> they're working in binary.
>>
>> That said, having a mathPrecision equivalent to numberFormat would
>> solve the issue too, any tiny amounts below the mathPrecision value
>> would be rounded up or down.
>
>
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 01:51:02 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:51:02 +0300
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode (and fruit)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905112140g72a60f4aw2707ada45ab0c5a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>	<4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160905112140g72a60f4aw2707ada45ab0c5a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A090E46.4030306@gmail.com>

I cannot restrain myself from pointing out that
communism is as communism does; as Bulgaria
is a living monument to communism and its
knock-on effects.

Why bother to invest a little extra money in an
electrical generator, reduce the profit margin
slightly, end up with a better end-product
(so, maybe more sell) when you have no
personal stake in the enterprise?

Lovely America (USA) exploiting the masses
elsewhere - when, to turn the
revolutionary stuff on its head - they should
be working overtime to set the masses free:
something they are certainly not doing by pumping buckets
of money into the "People's Republic" of China - the
PEOPLE being the last to see any of the money or
the benefits it could bring.

----------------------------------------------------------
If you don't like my right-wing politics,
reply in a civilised fashion.  :)
----------------------------------------------------------

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:17 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>
>   
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Personally I think we should next discuss the practice of putting little
>>>> sticker labels on every single individual piece of fruit in the supermarket.
>>>> If you really want to push my buttons, that'll do it.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> 'Tis nothing!  I know a chap in Bulgaria who sticks sticky labels on each
>>> apricot while they are still green and hanging on the tree with
>>> their predicted dates of ripening.
>>>
>>>       
>> You made that up, right? ;)
>>
>>
>>     
> OK, I'll give you one that is absolutely true.
>
> An acquaintance invited me to visit one of his factories in China, he worked
> for MadCatz that make PC game controllers and they were having an issue with
> one of their combined steering, gearshift, brake and accelerator modules so
> he was off to investigate.
>
> The factory was one of the better ones I've visited but still stereotypical
> of what you see in the movies, a long conveyor belt with women sitting
> either side armed with appropriate tools and boxes of parts behind them,
> they'd each add their assigned bit and at the end of the conveyor you had a
> completed product.
>
> At the 'finished' end there was a girl who'd plug the device in, do a couple
> of laps around Silverstone or Monaco and if everything was OK into it's box
> it went. As we were there for a QC problem I noted that when she grabbed the
> controller off the conveyor it already had one of those ubiquitous gold QC
> stickers attached. Strange I thought, surely that was her job to apply the
> sticker but as she wasn't I figured I'd stroll backwards up the conveyor to
> see who exactly was applying the QC sticker.
>
> Turned out I had to stroll all the way back to the very FIRST girl on the
> line, she pulled the base plate out of her box of parts and applied the very
> first part. The box of hundreds of base plates came with the QC sticker
> already applied!
>
> For the one person who may only be slightly interest in what the real
> problem was. Turned out that as winter had descended on the region it was
> getting darker earlier. The region had electricity restriction so part of
> the Factory ran on Mains whilst luxury items like Lights had their own
> diesel generator for power, but this only came on at a certain time. So
> there was a period of about 30-60 min where it became quite dim in the
> factory and the girls responsible for soldering the 16 rainbow coloured
> cable were occasionally getting the white and cream coloured cables mixed
> up.
>
> The solution, turn the generator on earlier, NO, too costly. Instead, make a
> simple socket, battery and lamp device that plugged into the cable, if the
> lamp failed to illuminated the cables were crossed so the girls needed to
> unsolder the connection and swap the two white looking cables!
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue May 12 02:12:21 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:12:21 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <912A1258-7C00-46D9-82DC-39F0AF8BFBC5@qldlearning.com>
References: <C62E3D8D.417C1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<912A1258-7C00-46D9-82DC-39F0AF8BFBC5@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <C55F0E4C-ECDF-4F4C-BCD2-9DEFC4C51BC7@qldlearning.com>

Clearly I have a problem. Key features include never initializing  
variables (let alone declaring them), loads of obscure string handling  
hacks to cram everything into fewer variables, and overall headache- 
inducing clutter.
You can actually use this one with 1 parameter, or pass 2 for a list  
of all Fibonacci numbers between n1 and n2. Somewhat surprisingly,  
it's still pretty fast!

fb(10) = 55
fb(1,10) = 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55

function fb n1,n2
    repeat max(n1, value("0"&n2)+1) + 1
       repeat with i=-1 down to (0 - max(1,length(item -1 of xy)) - 1)
          put (offset(char i of item -2 of xy,"123456789") + max(1 -  
min(1,length(xy)),offset(char i of item -1 of xy, "123456789")) +  
offset(c, "1")) mod 10 into char i of s
          put (offset(char i of item -2 of xy,"123456789") + max(1 -  
min(1,length(xy)),offset(char i of item -1 of xy, "123456789")) +  
offset(c, "1")) div 10 into c
       end repeat
       put ((offset(xy, "xy") & (char (1 + min(2, offset(xy, "!xy")))  
to -1 of item -1 of xy)) + 0)&comma&(s+0) into item -1 of xy
    end repeat
    return item (n1+2) to (max(n1, value("0"&n2))+2) of xy
end fb




From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue May 12 02:34:00 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:34:00 +0200
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>
	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <346D76EB-A5F3-4676-8C52-E13A53BC99D3@numericable.com>

Jacqueline,
You said yesterday (?) that using synonym like "cd", "btn", "fld" is  
slower than "card", button", "field". That is, I think, an  
interesting problem because I use synonym every time...
What is the difference (speed) ?
Ren? from Paris

Le 11 mai 09 ? 23:05, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Paul Looney wrote:
>> Seems like it has been a very long time since we've had a speed  
>> comparison like this on the list.
>
> You know what I miss? Remember those scripting competitions we used  
> to have on the HC list? Someone would propose a challenge and  
> everyone would jump in and write their best shot at the most  
> elegant solution. Those were fun.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue May 12 02:53:25 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:53:25 -0300
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <C55F0E4C-ECDF-4F4C-BCD2-9DEFC4C51BC7@qldlearning.com>
References: <C62E3D8D.417C1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<912A1258-7C00-46D9-82DC-39F0AF8BFBC5@qldlearning.com>
	<C55F0E4C-ECDF-4F4C-BCD2-9DEFC4C51BC7@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905112353p1a1c83e6r27a2e869f271d538@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,
I am coming late for this thread and I do have a cute implementation
of?Fibonacci?series!!! it is the smallest I have ever seen but I think
it's overflowing somewhere, but it should be awarded "fib
implementation I want printed on a shirt" award.

function fib k
? ? put (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2 into r
? ? put 1 - r into t
? ? return (r ^ k - t ^ k) / (r - t)
end fib

yes that is it, 3 lines... I know it to be running accurate up to
fib(65) then very accurate until fib(70), then it overflows
somewhere... silly powers, always exploding my integers.

and before someone think I am a math genius, that implementation is
not mine, I came across it sometime ago and ported it to rev.

cheers
andre


From fredrik at morbug.se  Tue May 12 03:32:11 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:32:11 +0200
Subject: Problems with the LayoutControl-script of a form datagrid
Message-ID: <8918D4DE-2421-4530-9B0A-3819ECBEEEC6@morbug.se>

Hi everyone,

I've been lurking for a couple of months here (and for a couple of  
years on the forums) but I havn't had much to say. Anyway, it's been  
very interesting reading so far and I'm looking forward to learning  
even more in the future :)

Oh, and I have a small problem regarding datagrids that I hope someone  
can help me with:

I'm writing a small report viewer app that loads a textfile with  
tagged data and then displays it in various text fields and datagrids  
on several cards in my stack. So far I've only used datagrids with the  
table format but today I started converting one of these to a form  
format (which is more appropriate). I looked at the examples in the  
datagrid manual and managed to load the data into the array and then  
put it into the datagrid. The layout didn't work as expected though.

One of the fields ("Rang") is supposed to be at the far right of the  
control while the other fields (at the moment) is displayed left  
aligned along the left border of the control. I copied some code from  
the manual and wrote this code:

ON LayoutControl pControlRect
     local theFieldRect
     set the right of field "Rang" to item 3 of pControlRect -10
     put the left of field "Rang" of me into theLeft

   put the rect of field "Namn" of me into theRect
     put theLeft -10 into item 3 of theRect
     set the rect of field "Namn" of me to theRect

... and three more fields like the one above ....

     set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect

END LayoutControl

When I load the data into the datagrid the line no 1 and 7 is  
displayed correctly (at the most there are 10-12 lines to display at  
the moment). The other lines has the "Rang"-field displaying in  
roughly the centre of the control, not at the right as it's supposed  
to. The other controls in those lines correctly aligns to this faulty  
position and isn't long enough to display all the text I want them to.  
Oh and the controls on the naughty lines doesn't scale as I change the  
size of the window.

Anyone got any idea why only one in seven lines display correctly?

Thanks in advance,

Fredrik Andersson


From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue May 12 03:32:29 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Best way to get the path to one stack/standalone
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905111925h503dbe99o43847374e9245476@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23494588.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860905111925h503dbe99o43847374e9245476@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23497586.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks :) 

It's the same for Windows? 

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue May 12 03:37:13 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:37:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <4A08E1C0.2070506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A08DFD3.5080801@hyperactivesw.com>
	<15EF8AA0-9463-498B-B5D1-A3C16E827A8B@cox.net>
	<4A08E1C0.2070506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <23497638.post@talk.nabble.com>


Yes, like a config.ini from windows... but in Mac how it work? Where are
stored the file? together the App?

Salut,
Josep
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From mickclns at mac.com  Tue May 12 04:05:35 2009
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 04:05:35 -0400
Subject: Scripting Competition
In-Reply-To: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <84849F02-AF6F-4123-B6F6-4E4C94B4B8DB@mac.com>

Here are F(1) to F(100) followed by F(10000)

1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 6765  
10946 17711 28657 46368 75025 121393 196418 317811 514229 832040  
1346269 2178309 3524578 5702887 9227465 14930352 24157817 39088169  
63245986 102334155 165580141 267914296 433494437 701408733 1134903170  
1836311903 2971215073 4807526976 7778742049 12586269025 20365011074  
32951280099 53316291173 86267571272 139583862445 225851433717  
365435296162 591286729879 956722026041 1548008755920 2504730781961  
4052739537881 6557470319842 10610209857723 17167680177565  
27777890035288 44945570212853 72723460248141 117669030460994  
190392490709135 308061521170129 498454011879264 806515533049393  
1304969544928657 2111485077978050 3416454622906707 5527939700884757  
8944394323791464 14472334024676221 23416728348467685  
37889062373143906 61305790721611591 99194853094755497  
160500643816367088 259695496911122585 420196140727489673  
679891637638612258 1100087778366101931 1779979416004714189  
2880067194370816120 4660046610375530309 7540113804746346429  
12200160415121876738 19740274219868223167 31940434634990099905  
51680708854858323072 83621143489848422977 135301852344706746049  
218922995834555169026 354224848179261915075

336447648764317832666216120051075433103021484606800639065647
699746800814421666623681555955136337340255820653326808361593
737347904838652682630408924630564318873545443695598274916066
020998841839338646527313000888302692356736131351175792974378
544137521305205043477016022647583189065278908551543661595829
872796829875106312005754287834532155151038708182989697916131
278562650331954871402142875326981879620469360978799003509623
022910263681314931952756302278376284415403605844025721143349
611800230912082870460889239623288354615057765832712525460935
911282039252853934346209042452489294039017062338889910858410
651831733604374707379085526317643257339937128719375877468974
799263058370657428301616374089691784263786242128352581128205
163702980893320999057079200643674262023897831114700540749984
592503606335609338838319233867830561364353518921332797329081
337326426526339897639227234078829281779535805709936910491754
708089318410561463223382174656373212482263830921032977016480
547262438423748624114530938122065649140327510866433945175121
615265453613331113140424368548051067658434935238369596534280
717687753283482343455573667197313927462736291082106792807847
180353291311767789246590899386354593278945237776744061922403
376386740040213303432974969020283281459334188268176838930720
036347956231171031012919531697946076327375892535307725523759
437884345040677155557790564504430166401194625809722167297586
150269684431469520346149322911059706762432685159928347098912
847067408620085871350162603120719031720860940812983215810772
820763531866246112782455372085323653057759564300725177443150
515396009051686032203491632226408852488524331580515348496224
348482993809050704834824493274537326245677558790891871908036
620580095947431500524025327097469953187707243768259074199396
322659841474981936092852239450397071654431564213281576889080
587831834049174345562705202235648464951961124602683139709750
693826487066132645076650746115126775227486215986425307112984
411826226610571635150692600298617049454250474913781151541399
415506712562711971332527636319396069028956502882686083622410
82050562430701794976171121233066073310059947366875



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue May 12 04:37:13 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:37:13 -0300
Subject: update to the Simple CMS for On-Rev
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905120137w40b3ea40qbd9614fafc721361@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

I am in the process of making some huge improvements to the Simple
CMS. I've coined a simple module system and I am building an admin
interface. The module system is half working already (sans the admin
part) and two modules are bundled: a guestbook and a google analytics
module (Gotta Track'Em All).

The new module system is very straight forward and easy to use, I
think this can be the base of some really nice things!

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/cms.irev

As a bonus, by downloading this you receive some FREE stuff such as a
simple prefs system for On-Rev and a preview of the RevOnRockets
include for On-Rev with support for FILE UPLOADS and other cool stuff
such as a unified array object to hold your server info, get and post
variables and file uploads... all there! Have I mention it has
redirect routines and other nice stuff?

and yes, it is all free.

andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 12 04:53:28 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:53:28 -0700
Subject: What is this in Page Source
Message-ID: <C16F1DF1-7CCC-4A18-9863-85DB42DF6208@cox.net>

Hi  All,

I was on a website and wanted to take a look at the Page Source for  
that site and all I got was this:

<!-- GOLIATH17MX -->

Nothing else. I'm very new to this sort of thing. Normally there is a  
lot of HTML when you do View>Page Source for any web page.
TIA,
Joe Wilkins




From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue May 12 04:57:54 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:57:54 -0300
Subject: What is this in Page Source
In-Reply-To: <C16F1DF1-7CCC-4A18-9863-85DB42DF6208@cox.net>
References: <C16F1DF1-7CCC-4A18-9863-85DB42DF6208@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905120157m60defb41lef071f08d526fa8e@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

scroll down, see if it is not thousands of whitespaces before the code...

Andre

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi ?All,
>
> I was on a website and wanted to take a look at the Page Source for that
> site and all I got was this:
>
> <!-- GOLIATH17MX -->
>
> Nothing else. I'm very new to this sort of thing. Normally there is a lot of
> HTML when you do View>Page Source for any web page.
> TIA,
> Joe Wilkins
>
>
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Tue May 12 05:00:12 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:00:12 -0400
Subject: Example revolution apps?
Message-ID: <C62EB2DC.6FD%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Is ScreenSteps by Blue Mango written in Revolution?

-Stephen Cox


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue May 12 05:08:13 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:08:13 +0200
Subject: Example revolution apps?
In-Reply-To: <C62EB2DC.6FD%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62EB2DC.6FD%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <219F440E-51B8-45BC-97D4-6056C9ED6D7E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Stephen,

> Is ScreenSteps by Blue Mango written in Revolution?

Yes :-)

> -Stephen Cox

Best

Klaus

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From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 12 05:17:52 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 02:17:52 -0700
Subject: What is this in Page Source
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905120157m60defb41lef071f08d526fa8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C16F1DF1-7CCC-4A18-9863-85DB42DF6208@cox.net>
	<7c87a2a10905120157m60defb41lef071f08d526fa8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DA33FC4-0733-46DE-9E4C-F066BD0CC8F6@cox.net>

Good call Andre. Never even occurred to me.

Thanks,

Joe

On May 12, 2009, at 1:57 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Joe,
>
> scroll down, see if it is not thousands of whitespaces before the  
> code...
>
> Andre



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Tue May 12 05:20:10 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:20:10 -0400
Subject: Example revolution apps?
In-Reply-To: <219F440E-51B8-45BC-97D4-6056C9ED6D7E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <C62EB78A.702%stephen@networkxfla.com>

That's encouraging.

Learning Revolution, I've been frustrated with the design tools. But as long
as I know things are possible I'm not worried. Thanks.


On 5/12/09 5:08 AM, "klaus at major.on-rev.com" <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
> 
>> Is ScreenSteps by Blue Mango written in Revolution?
> 
> Yes :-)
> 
>> -Stephen Cox
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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> http://www.major.on-rev.com
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Tue May 12 06:28:30 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:28:30 -0400
Subject: Details on how to apps mac like?
Message-ID: <C62EC78E.707%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Hi,

So far the only application I?ve found written in revolution that looks like
a native Mac app is ScreenSteps.  Granted, I haven?t looked long.  :)

Anyway my questions:

How?d they created the icon bar? And I mean the area right below the title
bar of the window? I?ve been busting my head playing with rectangles, but
no. And I assume the blue area on the left is also a rectangle with a
background? The problem I am having is I can create the areas and background
color easy enough. Placement is my problem. No mater how close I get my icon
bar to the windows title bar, the card?s background bleeds in. Almost like
there?s cell padding going on.

I?m modeling my app against the Mac Dictionary Application. Trying to
simulate a large title/tool bar (the app is a database front end ? for
internal use). 

Thanks,

Stephen Cox


From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Tue May 12 07:35:45 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:35:45 +0200
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
Message-ID: <0BC9D8F3-A347-48E7-9C3A-A14CF5D4CF14@macbay.de>

Hi!

Since Rev 3.0 the uncomment shortcut do not works on my mac.
With "apple" "-" I can comment a line in my script.
But "apple" "shift" "_" strikes.
I have to grab my mouse and click at the menu.

Do anybody knows help?

Reinhold


From coiin at rcn.com  Tue May 12 07:54:04 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:54:04 -0400
Subject: Math issue, isn't it?
In-Reply-To: <1CA52CA4-6D64-4659-8B25-083F63887206@mac.com>
References: <20090511170005.F2FF348A467@mail.runrev.com>
	<1CA52CA4-6D64-4659-8B25-083F63887206@mac.com>
Message-ID: <65B3C7B5-5BEF-4E78-BE4B-9BCC52458378@rcn.com>

Mathprecision would control the number of decimal places, like  
numberformat, #.0000000000 would make the math be as good as ten  
decimal places allow it to be.

Your routine for testing numbers that are very close was good, but  
that's just one example case of the issue. Doing something like n=int 
(n*10^p)/10^p would take care of the more general problem. 


From fredrik at morbug.se  Tue May 12 07:55:28 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:55:28 +0200
Subject: Character encoding is driving me insane
Message-ID: <1BE1ADCA-7B48-4EF5-B2E9-DDF300CC6876@morbug.se>

Hi there,

I'm writing a small application that's supposed to keep track of  
different tasks for certain people at work. I'm using a datagrid to  
present the data and simple text files for storage. The problem is  
that I tend to lose the characters ??? and ??? (which we use a lot  
here in Sweden).

At first I simply loaded a tab-delimited file into the dgText of the  
datagrid but that didn't work.

After searching around on the forums/mailing list I found some code  
for handling UTF-encoded text and thus I changed the "Open file"-code  
to something like this:

set the unicodetext of fld "importedData" of card "Data" to   
uniencode(tFile,"UTF8")
     put the fld "importedData" of card "Data" into tData

And then I set the dgText to tData. This worked fine until I started  
messing around with making some columns into presenting calculated  
values only. Since I didn't need to save the data in those columns to  
any file I started using the dgData-property to only save & load  
specific fields instead.

The problem is that now I lose my special characters. They simply do  
not appear in the text. They're still there in the text file, just not  
in the "importedData"-field and thus neither in the datagrid. I have  
no idea why my first solution suddenly stopped working. The text file  
is in the "UTF-8"-format.

Does anyone out there have any good ideas of how to work with text  
with special characters? Or perhaps you can point me toward a previous  
thread with useful info. Right now I know nothing about character  
encoding except that they make my life more difficult.. sigh.

Thanks,

Fredrik Andersson

From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue May 12 07:58:52 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:58:52 -1000
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905112353p1a1c83e6r27a2e869f271d538@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62E3D8D.417C1%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<912A1258-7C00-46D9-82DC-39F0AF8BFBC5@qldlearning.com>	<C55F0E4C-ECDF-4F4C-BCD2-9DEFC4C51BC7@qldlearning.com>
	<7c87a2a10905112353p1a1c83e6r27a2e869f271d538@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f901c9d2f9$056981a0$103c84e0$@com>

Andre Garzia wrote:

> Folks,
> I am coming late for this thread and I do have a cute implementation
> of?Fibonacci?series!!! it is the smallest I have ever seen but I think
> it's overflowing somewhere, but it should be awarded "fib
> implementation I want printed on a shirt" award.
> 
> function fib k
> ? ? put (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2 into r
> ? ? put 1 - r into t
> ? ? return (r ^ k - t ^ k) / (r - t)
> end fib
> 
> yes that is it, 3 lines... I know it to be running accurate up to
> fib(65) then very accurate until fib(70), then it overflows
> somewhere... silly powers, always exploding my integers.
> 
> and before someone think I am a math genius, that implementation is
> not mine, I came across it sometime ago and ported it to rev.


I'm also late to the party and came across a similar formulation by a
mathematician by the name of Binet:

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibFormula.html#formu
la

So, here is taking the Binet formula on the above page and similar to what
you did and reduced to one line in Rev:

ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
    set the numberformat to "#.0000000000000000"
    ask "Enter the number of iterations" as sheet
    IF it <> empty THEN
        answer fin(it) as sheet
    END IF
END mouseUp
--------------------
FUNCTION fin n
    return ((((1+sqrt(5))/2)^n)-((((1-sqrt(5))/2))^n))/sqrt(5)
END Fin

But, it only works to a precision of 16 digits (both the integer and
fraction portions). After that it's rounded (the rest are zeros). So you
can't get to 211. And, due to rounding, it gets inaccurate much earlier at
71 (or more accurately, starts getting rounded). But, at least it's 0
milliseconds in all cases ;-)

Has anybody been able to get to 211 in Rev? I assume this is not a Rev issue
but a processor issue? Or have I missed something like a formatting?

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue May 12 08:21:25 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:21:25 +0200
Subject: Character encoding is driving me insane
In-Reply-To: <1BE1ADCA-7B48-4EF5-B2E9-DDF300CC6876@morbug.se>
References: <1BE1ADCA-7B48-4EF5-B2E9-DDF300CC6876@morbug.se>
Message-ID: <985BEACE-5BCC-4FB1-847A-B37C6F4BBBE4@major.on-rev.com>

Hejsan Fredrik,

> Hi there,
>
> I'm writing a small application that's supposed to keep track of  
> different tasks for certain people at work. I'm using a datagrid to  
> present the data and simple text files for storage. The problem is  
> that I tend to lose the characters ??? and ??? (which we use a lot  
> here in Sweden).
>
> At first I simply loaded a tab-delimited file into the dgText of the  
> datagrid but that didn't work.
>
> After searching around on the forums/mailing list I found some code  
> for handling UTF-encoded text and thus I changed the "Open file"- 
> code to something like this:
>
> set the unicodetext of fld "importedData" of card "Data" to   
> uniencode(tFile,"UTF8")
>    put the fld "importedData" of card "Data" into tData
>
> And then I set the dgText to tData. This worked fine until I started  
> messing around with making some columns into presenting calculated  
> values only. Since I didn't need to save the data in those columns  
> to any file I started using the dgData-property to only save & load  
> specific fields instead.
>
> The problem is that now I lose my special characters. They simply do  
> not appear in the text. They're still there in the text file, just  
> not in the "importedData"-field and thus neither in the datagrid. I  
> have no idea why my first solution suddenly stopped working. The  
> text file is in the "UTF-8"-format.
>
> Does anyone out there have any good ideas of how to work with text  
> with special characters? Or perhaps you can point me toward a  
> previous thread with useful info. Right now I know nothing about  
> character encoding except that they make my life more difficult..  
> sigh.

Maybe this will help you:
<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3396-What-If-I-Need-to-Work-With-htmlText-rtfText-or-unicodeText- 
 >

At this url you can also download the latest DataGrid docs (as PDF)  
from the maestro Signore De Vore himself :-)

> Thanks,
>
> Fredrik Andersson

Best & adj?

Klaus

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http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 12 08:27:19 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:27:19 +0200
Subject: Character encoding is driving me insane
In-Reply-To: <1BE1ADCA-7B48-4EF5-B2E9-DDF300CC6876@morbug.se>
References: <1BE1ADCA-7B48-4EF5-B2E9-DDF300CC6876@morbug.se>
Message-ID: <2F83DB60-9C7B-4744-AA6A-B29BDFB3283F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Fredrik,

When you're using unicode, you need to use the unicodeText properties  
all the time. Instead of putting a field into a variable, you do this:

put the unicodeText of fld "importedData" into tData

The problem now is that tData is not plain text. If all characters in  
your text can be converted to ASCII characters, you may convert your  
UTF8 stream to plain text:

put unidecode(uniencode(tFile,"UTF8"),"English") into tData

Let us know whether this works for you.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 12 mei 2009, at 13:55, Fredrik Andersson wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm writing a small application that's supposed to keep track of  
> different tasks for certain people at work. I'm using a datagrid to  
> present the data and simple text files for storage. The problem is  
> that I tend to lose the characters ??? and ??? (which we use a lot  
> here in Sweden).
>
> At first I simply loaded a tab-delimited file into the dgText of the  
> datagrid but that didn't work.
>
> After searching around on the forums/mailing list I found some code  
> for handling UTF-encoded text and thus I changed the "Open file"- 
> code to something like this:
>
> set the unicodetext of fld "importedData" of card "Data" to   
> uniencode(tFile,"UTF8")
>    put the fld "importedData" of card "Data" into tData
>
> And then I set the dgText to tData. This worked fine until I started  
> messing around with making some columns into presenting calculated  
> values only. Since I didn't need to save the data in those columns  
> to any file I started using the dgData-property to only save & load  
> specific fields instead.
>
> The problem is that now I lose my special characters. They simply do  
> not appear in the text. They're still there in the text file, just  
> not in the "importedData"-field and thus neither in the datagrid. I  
> have no idea why my first solution suddenly stopped working. The  
> text file is in the "UTF-8"-format.
>
> Does anyone out there have any good ideas of how to work with text  
> with special characters? Or perhaps you can point me toward a  
> previous thread with useful info. Right now I know nothing about  
> character encoding except that they make my life more difficult..  
> sigh.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fredrik Andersson




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue May 12 08:32:40 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:32:40 -0400
Subject: Problems with the LayoutControl-script of a form datagrid
In-Reply-To: <8918D4DE-2421-4530-9B0A-3819ECBEEEC6@morbug.se>
References: <8918D4DE-2421-4530-9B0A-3819ECBEEEC6@morbug.se>
Message-ID: <E5E3B18A-CBCA-4C93-B42B-8759205A3CF8@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 12, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Fredrik Andersson wrote:
> ...
>
> ON LayoutControl pControlRect
>    local theFieldRect
>    set the right of field "Rang" to item 3 of pControlRect -10
>    put the left of field "Rang" of me into theLeft
>
>  put the rect of field "Namn" of me into theRect
>    put theLeft -10 into item 3 of theRect
>    set the rect of field "Namn" of me to theRect
>
> ... and three more fields like the one above ....
>
>    set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
>
> END LayoutControl

Hi Fredrik,

I think you are just missing some 'of me' references in your code. The  
first line of code:

set the right of field "Rang" to item 3 of pControlRect -10

needs to be:

set the right of field "Rang" OF ME to item 3 of pControlRect -10

Without the 'of me' reference the engine moves the first field it  
finds named "Rang".

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From fredrik at morbug.se  Tue May 12 08:44:41 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:44:41 +0200
Subject: Problems with the LayoutControl-script of a form datagrid
In-Reply-To: <E5E3B18A-CBCA-4C93-B42B-8759205A3CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <8918D4DE-2421-4530-9B0A-3819ECBEEEC6@morbug.se>
	<E5E3B18A-CBCA-4C93-B42B-8759205A3CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <2718CE68-1441-4FCE-BF51-DC6F3AF1186E@morbug.se>

Thanks!

Sometimes I'm really blind....

Sorry to have taken up your time with something this trivial.

Regards,

Fredrik

12 maj 2009 kl. 14.32 skrev Trevor DeVore:

> On May 12, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Fredrik Andersson wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> ON LayoutControl pControlRect
>>   local theFieldRect
>>   set the right of field "Rang" to item 3 of pControlRect -10
>>   put the left of field "Rang" of me into theLeft
>>
>> put the rect of field "Namn" of me into theRect
>>   put theLeft -10 into item 3 of theRect
>>   set the rect of field "Namn" of me to theRect
>>
>> ... and three more fields like the one above ....
>>
>>   set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
>>
>> END LayoutControl
>
> Hi Fredrik,
>
> I think you are just missing some 'of me' references in your code.  
> The first line of code:
>
> set the right of field "Rang" to item 3 of pControlRect -10
>
> needs to be:
>
> set the right of field "Rang" OF ME to item 3 of pControlRect -10
>
> Without the 'of me' reference the engine moves the first field it  
> finds named "Rang".
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
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From fredrik at morbug.se  Tue May 12 10:15:53 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:15:53 +0200
Subject: Character encoding is driving me insane
In-Reply-To: <2F83DB60-9C7B-4744-AA6A-B29BDFB3283F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <1BE1ADCA-7B48-4EF5-B2E9-DDF300CC6876@morbug.se>
	<2F83DB60-9C7B-4744-AA6A-B29BDFB3283F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <976E3159-8F33-4703-9AC6-4A48C3A03B3F@morbug.se>

Thanks for the help Mark & Klaus!

I tried a few variants based on the manual and your examples.  
Unfortunately I couldn't get it to work. For instance when I tried to  
set the custom behaviour script of the datagrid columns in question to  
"Set the unicodetext of me to uniencode(pData, "utf8")" I got an error  
message telling me that I couldn't set that property. I've probably  
just misunderstood something (as I usually do).

Anyway, I got it to work (for now at least) by eliminating my  
"importedData"-field and simply using a code like this:

put url("file:" & fld "s?kv?g" & fld "opid") into tData

... and then putting the different items of each line of tData into an  
array and then into dgData.

All my precious ??????-characters are now visible in the datagrid. I  
have no idea why this didn't work at first but does work now. I'll  
just enjoy it while I can :)

Regards,

Fredrik

12 maj 2009 kl. 14.27 skrev Mark Schonewille:
> Hi Fredrik,
>
> When you're using unicode, you need to use the unicodeText  
> properties all the time. Instead of putting a field into a variable,  
> you do this:
>
> put the unicodeText of fld "importedData" into tData
>
> The problem now is that tData is not plain text. If all characters  
> in your text can be converted to ASCII characters, you may convert  
> your UTF8 stream to plain text:
>
> put unidecode(uniencode(tFile,"UTF8"),"English") into tData
>
> Let us know whether this works for you.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 12 mei 2009, at 13:55, Fredrik Andersson wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm writing a small application that's supposed to keep track of  
>> different tasks for certain people at work. I'm using a datagrid to  
>> present the data and simple text files for storage. The problem is  
>> that I tend to lose the characters ??? and ??? (which we use a lot  
>> here in Sweden).
>>
>> At first I simply loaded a tab-delimited file into the dgText of  
>> the datagrid but that didn't work.
>>
>> After searching around on the forums/mailing list I found some code  
>> for handling UTF-encoded text and thus I changed the "Open file"- 
>> code to something like this:
>>
>> set the unicodetext of fld "importedData" of card "Data" to   
>> uniencode(tFile,"UTF8")
>>   put the fld "importedData" of card "Data" into tData
>>
>> And then I set the dgText to tData. This worked fine until I  
>> started messing around with making some columns into presenting  
>> calculated values only. Since I didn't need to save the data in  
>> those columns to any file I started using the dgData-property to  
>> only save & load specific fields instead.
>>
>> The problem is that now I lose my special characters. They simply  
>> do not appear in the text. They're still there in the text file,  
>> just not in the "importedData"-field and thus neither in the  
>> datagrid. I have no idea why my first solution suddenly stopped  
>> working. The text file is in the "UTF-8"-format.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have any good ideas of how to work with text  
>> with special characters? Or perhaps you can point me toward a  
>> previous thread with useful info. Right now I know nothing about  
>> character encoding except that they make my life more difficult..  
>> sigh.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Fredrik Andersson
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May 12 11:39:51 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:39:51 -0600
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <0BC9D8F3-A347-48E7-9C3A-A14CF5D4CF14@macbay.de>
References: <0BC9D8F3-A347-48E7-9C3A-A14CF5D4CF14@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <0DE1E330-00B8-4F18-92EA-A34F2CBB1062@byu.edu>

Hello Reinhold,

On May 12, 2009, at 5:35 AM, Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Since Rev 3.0 the uncomment shortcut do not works on my mac.
> With "apple" "-" I can comment a line in my script.
> But "apple" "shift" "_" strikes.
> I have to grab my mouse and click at the menu.
>
> Do anybody knows help?

This was a bug in early 3.0 releases. It has been fixed, but to make  
it work again on your Rev installation you will have to reset the  
preferences for the script editor. Just go to the Script Editor  
Preference panel and click Reset Preferences to Defaults. That should  
fix it.

However, I have noticed that if you change your default comment  
character to '#' the above fix does not work. I had to change back to  
-- for the keyboard shortcuts to work again.

Regards,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 12 11:48:43 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:48:43 -0700
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <0DE1E330-00B8-4F18-92EA-A34F2CBB1062@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C62EE86B.417E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Devin Asay wrote:

>> Since Rev 3.0 the uncomment shortcut do not works on my mac.
>> With "apple" "-" I can comment a line in my script.
>> But "apple" "shift" "_" strikes.
>> I have to grab my mouse and click at the menu.
>> 
>> Do anybody knows help?
> 
> This was a bug in early 3.0 releases. It has been fixed, but to make
> it work again on your Rev installation you will have to reset the
> preferences for the script editor. Just go to the Script Editor
> Preference panel and click Reset Preferences to Defaults. That should
> fix it.

On my end, I don't believe it's been fixed.  Uncommenting in 3.0 on has
never worked for me.  Annoying, but I've lived with it.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 12 11:53:18 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:53:18 -0700
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <C62EE86B.417E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62EE86B.417E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BD0F2921-7FF6-4479-8D9B-C4501B92D2EC@cox.net>

I just tried it with 3.5 Studio on a Mac Intel w/Leopard and the  
problem WAS there; after Devin's fix, it disappeared and worked  
properly.

Joe Wilkins

On May 12, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>>> Since Rev 3.0 the uncomment shortcut do not works on my mac.
>>> With "apple" "-" I can comment a line in my script.
>>> But "apple" "shift" "_" strikes.
>>> I have to grab my mouse and click at the menu.
>>>
>>> Do anybody knows help?
>>
>> This was a bug in early 3.0 releases. It has been fixed, but to make
>> it work again on your Rev installation you will have to reset the
>> preferences for the script editor. Just go to the Script Editor
>> Preference panel and click Reset Preferences to Defaults. That should
>> fix it.
>
> On my end, I don't believe it's been fixed.  Uncommenting in 3.0 on  
> has
> never worked for me.  Annoying, but I've lived with it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 12 11:47:51 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:47:51 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition results
In-Reply-To: <391833443640.20090511201140@ahsoftware.net>
References: <391833443640.20090511201140@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <01878814828.20090512084751@ahsoftware.net>

Monday, May 11, 2009, 11:53:25 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> yes that is it, 3 lines... I know it to be running accurate up to
> fib(65) then very accurate until fib(70), then it overflows
> somewhere... silly powers, always exploding my integers.

and Jim Bufalini wrote:

> But, it only works to a precision of 16 digits (both the integer and
> fraction portions). After that it's rounded (the rest are zeros). So you
> can't get to 211. And, due to rounding, it gets inaccurate much earlier at
> 71 (or more accurately, starts getting rounded). But, at least it's 0
> milliseconds in all cases ;-)

and Scott Rossi wrote:

> There's no decimals involved (unless you use a formula, which I've been
> trying to do) so what limitation is the computer running up against?

...and that, of course, is the focus of this exercise. Coming off the
heels of the thread about rounding issues at the extreme small end of
decimals and margin-or-error issues, it shows that there are limits at
the big end as well. Once you've reached the limits of what the
computer can do you have to take things into your own hands, no matter
whether it's due to quantization effects at the low end or overflow
effects at the high end.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 12:26:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:26:47 +0300
Subject: [OT] GIMP paint studio
In-Reply-To: <C62E0B8B.6BA%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62E0B8B.6BA%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A09A347.6090304@gmail.com>

Sorry I didn't reply earlier.

GIMP does still require xWindows to run on a Mac; but installing xWindows is
a no-brainer. As I have my Mac set to launch xWindows at startup it doesn't
really get in the way.

GIMP is good, very good; and with these add-ons it is even better.

The add-ons work exactly the same on Linux (can't vouch for Windows)
and, to my mind at least, it is jolly nice to swap from editing images 
on the
computer on the left (my G4) to the one on the right (my Heinz-57 Pentium 4
running Ubuntu) without having to remember how to use another graphic
program.

Stephen Cox wrote:
> Does the Gimp still require xwindows to run on the mac? Or did someone
> finally port it to run natively?
>
>
> On 5/11/09 3:17 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Those of you who cannot afford Photoshop, have 'funny feelings'
>> about proprietary software, don't "do" either Macintosh or Windows,
>> can afford Photoshop but would rather spend the money on
>> Runtime Revolution  :)
>>
>> (err, why would you spend an awful lot of money on something
>> when there is something just as good available for FREE?
>>
>> Much more sensible to spend it on something that is extremely
>> good and is not available for FREE . . . Runtime Revolution)
>>
>> might well give this a look:
>>
>> http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/gim-paint-studio-gimp-optimized-for.html
>>
>> It presupposes you already have GIMP installed:
>>
>> http://www.gimp.org/
>>
>> It is "poly-platform"!
>>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May 12 12:28:48 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:28:48 -0600
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <C62EE86B.417E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62EE86B.417E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <7B78C6EB-7091-458D-9164-4C8EC98902C3@byu.edu>


On May 12, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>>> Since Rev 3.0 the uncomment shortcut do not works on my mac.
>>> With "apple" "-" I can comment a line in my script.
>>> But "apple" "shift" "_" strikes.
>>> I have to grab my mouse and click at the menu.
>>>
>>> Do anybody knows help?
>>
>> This was a bug in early 3.0 releases. It has been fixed, but to make
>> it work again on your Rev installation you will have to reset the
>> preferences for the script editor. Just go to the Script Editor
>> Preference panel and click Reset Preferences to Defaults. That should
>> fix it.
>
> On my end, I don't believe it's been fixed.  Uncommenting in 3.0 on  
> has
> never worked for me.  Annoying, but I've lived with it.

I definitely had to reset the Prefs, actually twice, before it worked.  
Some here on the list have actually gone in and deleted the  
preferences file, but I can't remember where they said that file is  
located.

And it appears I spoke too soon concerning the fix not working with  
the comment character set to '#'. I just went back in and tried it  
with 3.5 gm-2. and the keyboard shortcut worked perfectly for both the  
# and -- settings. So something may have been fixed since the last  
time I had tested it.

It might be worth resetting your preferences again, to see if it's  
working for you now.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 12 12:34:06 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:34:06 -0700
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
Message-ID: <4A09A4FE.7000902@fourthworld.com>

Ren? Micout wrote:
> Jacqueline,
> You said yesterday (?) that using synonym like "cd", "btn", "fld" is  
> slower than "card", button", "field". That is, I think, an  
> interesting problem because I use synonym every time...
> What is the difference (speed) ?

Not enough to bother with, IMO.

I ran this test:

on mouseUp
   put 100000 into n
   --  Abbrev:
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     set the uX of sb 1 to the text of fld 1
   end repeat
   put the millisecs - t into t1
   -- Full:
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     set the uX of scrollbar 1 to the text of field 1
   end repeat
   put the millisecs - t into t2
   --
   put "Abbrev: "& t1/n && "  Full: "& t2/n &\
       cr& "Difference: "& t1/n - t2/n
end mouseUp

...and got this result:

Abbrev: 0.00213   Full: 0.00211
Difference: 0.00002


I'm normally quick to adopt habits which will optimize performance, 
knowing that every clock cycle saved is one I can put toward 
bullet-point features, but on this one the productivity loss of typing 
the full form for all object references isn't worth the 0.00002 
millisecond to me.

No doubt this difference would be much greater if one were doing this in 
a "send", "do" or "value" call because those need to run through the 
compiler in each iteration.  But for that reason I use those as seldom 
as possible anyway;  the overhead of using "send" is orders of magnitude 
more than the overhead of using abbreviations.

It's still not the end of the world to use "send", and when you need it 
you need it.  But avoiding "send", "do", or "value" where practical will 
save you much more time than avoiding abbreviations.

Besides, with "dispatch" and behaviors in v3.5 I rarely use "send" these 
days.  "Dispatch" is similar to send in many ways, and AFAIK it still 
needs to be runtime-compiled, but something about it is optimized so 
that it benchmarks at least 30% faster.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From bobs at twft.com  Tue May 12 12:35:55 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:55 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition results
In-Reply-To: <01878814828.20090512084751@ahsoftware.net>
References: <391833443640.20090511201140@ahsoftware.net>
	<01878814828.20090512084751@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <3E6991EB-E46D-410B-931D-B64C6ED9D378@twft.com>

So... what you are saying is that the computer is not always right,  
and when the problem gets too complex, it needs our help? ;-)

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 12, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> ...and that, of course, is the focus of this exercise. Coming off the
> heels of the thread about rounding issues at the extreme small end of
> decimals and margin-or-error issues, it shows that there are limits at
> the big end as well. Once you've reached the limits of what the
> computer can do you have to take things into your own hands, no matter
> whether it's due to quantization effects at the low end or overflow
> effects at the high end.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 12 12:45:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:45:38 -0500
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <346D76EB-A5F3-4676-8C52-E13A53BC99D3@numericable.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<346D76EB-A5F3-4676-8C52-E13A53BC99D3@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <4A09A7B2.20604@hyperactivesw.com>

Ren? Micout wrote:
> Jacqueline,
> You said yesterday (?) that using synonym like "cd", "btn", "fld" is 
> slower than "card", button", "field". That is, I think, an interesting 
> problem because I use synonym every time...
> What is the difference (speed) ?

With 100,000 iterations of each "send" command, I tested these two 
variations:

get the text of fld "testFld"
get the text of field "testFld"

The results were a little surprising. The abbreviation was faster. On my 
machine, 588ms abbreviated, and 654ms without abbreviation. Interesting. 
That makes me happy, I use abbreviations all the time.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 12:50:48 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:50:48 +0300
Subject: [OT] EFL video resources
Message-ID: <4A09A8E8.200@gmail.com>

I have been using these video resources for over 3 years now:

http://australianetwork.com/nexus/

http://australianetwork.com/learningenglish/vodcast.htm

http://australianetwork.com/englishbites/

http://australianetwork.com/businessenglish/

http://australianetwork.com/studyenglish/    -- this is absolutely 
excellent for IELTS prep students

they all come with PDF transcripts, a lot with worksheets.

e-mailing them, they informed me that outwith the
Asia-Pacific region it was perfectly OK to download these
video resources and distribute them on media as long
as it was done for FREE.

Don't quote me on the above, contact them yourself and
ask.  :)

As far as I can see, cobber, the only risk is that your students
might end up with Ozzy accents.  :)


From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue May 12 12:51:31 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:51:31 -0700
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A09A4FE.7000902@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A09A4FE.7000902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E2E7FC76-3B02-4FC8-9D62-205604F07AFB@qldlearning.com>

I'm a bit skeptical that any such difference actually exists. Both the  
short and long forms should map to the exact same compiled code.  
Theoretically the long form would take longer to parse / compile the  
first time, but we're talking about the parsing of individual  
characters -- something that would have immeasurably small impact.

When I run the benchmark, the faster method seems to depend on a  
combination of which one appears first in the script and/or the  
direction of the wind, and doesn't appear to be repeatable.

> Ren? Micout wrote:
>> Jacqueline,
>> You said yesterday (?) that using synonym like "cd", "btn", "fld"  
>> is  slower than "card", button", "field". That is, I think, an   
>> interesting problem because I use synonym every time...
>> What is the difference (speed) ?
>
> Not enough to bother with, IMO.
>
> I ran this test:
>
> on mouseUp
> put 100000 into n
> --  Abbrev:
> put the millisecs into t
> repeat n
>   set the uX of sb 1 to the text of fld 1
> end repeat
> put the millisecs - t into t1
> -- Full:
> put the millisecs into t
> repeat n
>   set the uX of scrollbar 1 to the text of field 1
> end repeat
> put the millisecs - t into t2
> --
> put "Abbrev: "& t1/n && "  Full: "& t2/n &\
>     cr& "Difference: "& t1/n - t2/n
> end mouseUp
>
> ...and got this result:
>
> Abbrev: 0.00213   Full: 0.00211
> Difference: 0.00002
>
>
> I'm normally quick to adopt habits which will optimize performance,  
> knowing that every clock cycle saved is one I can put toward bullet- 
> point features, but on this one the productivity loss of typing the  
> full form for all object references isn't worth the 0.00002  
> millisecond to me.
>
> No doubt this difference would be much greater if one were doing  
> this in a "send", "do" or "value" call because those need to run  
> through the compiler in each iteration.  But for that reason I use  
> those as seldom as possible anyway;  the overhead of using "send" is  
> orders of magnitude more than the overhead of using abbreviations.
>
> It's still not the end of the world to use "send", and when you need  
> it you need it.  But avoiding "send", "do", or "value" where  
> practical will save you much more time than avoiding abbreviations.
>
> Besides, with "dispatch" and behaviors in v3.5 I rarely use "send"  
> these days.  "Dispatch" is similar to send in many ways, and AFAIK  
> it still needs to be runtime-compiled, but something about it is  
> optimized so that it benchmarks at least 30% faster.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 12 12:52:26 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:52:26 -0500
Subject: Set Custom property in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <23497638.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23494567.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A08DFD3.5080801@hyperactivesw.com>	<15EF8AA0-9463-498B-B5D1-A3C16E827A8B@cox.net>	<4A08E1C0.2070506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<23497638.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A09A94A.8090104@hyperactivesw.com>

Josep wrote:
> Yes, like a config.ini from windows... but in Mac how it work? Where are
> stored the file? together the App?

Usually in either the user's preferences folder, or in the user or 
system Application Support folder. It is your choice.

User Prefs folder path can be obtained with specialFolderPath("preferences")

The user's Application Support folder is at: ~/Library/Application Support/

The system Application Support folder is at: /Library/Application Support/

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue May 12 12:54:26 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:54:26 +0200
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A09A7B2.20604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0870A0.3060108@hyperactivesw.com>	<7CCFE91F-306E-4670-8ABF-DA7274D66960@ahsomme.com>	<4A08932C.7040401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<346D76EB-A5F3-4676-8C52-E13A53BC99D3@numericable.com>
	<4A09A7B2.20604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4CE8867C-7D50-4AC6-8DA8-96FEE7C40FB3@numericable.com>

So do  
I !!   :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
Ren? from Paris

Le 12 mai 09 ? 18:45, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Ren? Micout wrote:
>> Jacqueline,
>> You said yesterday (?) that using synonym like "cd", "btn", "fld"  
>> is slower than "card", button", "field". That is, I think, an  
>> interesting problem because I use synonym every time...
>> What is the difference (speed) ?
>
> With 100,000 iterations of each "send" command, I tested these two  
> variations:
>
> get the text of fld "testFld"
> get the text of field "testFld"
>
> The results were a little surprising. The abbreviation was faster.  
> On my machine, 588ms abbreviated, and 654ms without abbreviation.  
> Interesting. That makes me happy, I use abbreviations all the time.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 12:59:43 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:59:43 +0300
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <E2E7FC76-3B02-4FC8-9D62-205604F07AFB@qldlearning.com>
References: <4A09A4FE.7000902@fourthworld.com>
	<E2E7FC76-3B02-4FC8-9D62-205604F07AFB@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <4A09AAFF.3090300@gmail.com>

Well, as an educational content deliverer I try to make my programs run 
no faster than the
brains of my pupils/students;  mind you, in certain cases that is 
glacially slow.  :)

Years ago, on my Performa 475 things were great, I had time to takes 
gulps of coffee
between sentences in my Master's thesis (i.e. waiting for the stuff I 
had typed in
Clarisworks to show up on the screen); now I have to have a silly 
program that tells
me when to take a break!

And, I always use "btn", "img", "gc" and "fld", but "card" - don't quite 
know why,
but I find "cd" confuses me. Now that I find that using short-forms 
(err, or is it the other
way round) is going to make my stacks a milli-microsecond faster I will 
reform
myself, needless to say.

Brian Yennie wrote:
> I'm a bit skeptical that any such difference actually exists. Both the 
> short and long forms should map to the exact same compiled code. 
> Theoretically the long form would take longer to parse / compile the 
> first time, but we're talking about the parsing of individual 
> characters -- something that would have immeasurably small impact.
>
> When I run the benchmark, the faster method seems to depend on a 
> combination of which one appears first in the script and/or the 
> direction of the wind, and doesn't appear to be repeatable.
>
>> Ren? Micout wrote:
>>> Jacqueline,
>>> You said yesterday (?) that using synonym like "cd", "btn", "fld" 
>>> is  slower than "card", button", "field". That is, I think, an  
>>> interesting problem because I use synonym every time...
>>> What is the difference (speed) ?
>>
>> Not enough to bother with, IMO.
>>
>> I ran this test:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>> put 100000 into n
>> --  Abbrev:
>> put the millisecs into t
>> repeat n
>>   set the uX of sb 1 to the text of fld 1
>> end repeat
>> put the millisecs - t into t1
>> -- Full:
>> put the millisecs into t
>> repeat n
>>   set the uX of scrollbar 1 to the text of field 1
>> end repeat
>> put the millisecs - t into t2
>> -- 
>> put "Abbrev: "& t1/n && "  Full: "& t2/n &\
>>     cr& "Difference: "& t1/n - t2/n
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> ...and got this result:
>>
>> Abbrev: 0.00213   Full: 0.00211
>> Difference: 0.00002
>>
>>
>> I'm normally quick to adopt habits which will optimize performance, 
>> knowing that every clock cycle saved is one I can put toward 
>> bullet-point features, but on this one the productivity loss of 
>> typing the full form for all object references isn't worth the 
>> 0.00002 millisecond to me.
>>
>> No doubt this difference would be much greater if one were doing this 
>> in a "send", "do" or "value" call because those need to run through 
>> the compiler in each iteration.  But for that reason I use those as 
>> seldom as possible anyway;  the overhead of using "send" is orders of 
>> magnitude more than the overhead of using abbreviations.
>>
>> It's still not the end of the world to use "send", and when you need 
>> it you need it.  But avoiding "send", "do", or "value" where 
>> practical will save you much more time than avoiding abbreviations.
>>
>> Besides, with "dispatch" and behaviors in v3.5 I rarely use "send" 
>> these days.  "Dispatch" is similar to send in many ways, and AFAIK it 
>> still needs to be runtime-compiled, but something about it is 
>> optimized so that it benchmarks at least 30% faster.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 12 13:18:53 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:18:53 -0500
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <E2E7FC76-3B02-4FC8-9D62-205604F07AFB@qldlearning.com>
References: <4A09A4FE.7000902@fourthworld.com>
	<E2E7FC76-3B02-4FC8-9D62-205604F07AFB@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <4A09AF7D.6050007@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
> I'm a bit skeptical that any such difference actually exists. Both the 
> short and long forms should map to the exact same compiled code. 
> Theoretically the long form would take longer to parse / compile the 
> first time, but we're talking about the parsing of individual characters 
> -- something that would have immeasurably small impact.

Are you *always* right? :)

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 12 13:36:39 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:36:39 -0700
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <7B78C6EB-7091-458D-9164-4C8EC98902C3@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C62F01B7.4180B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Devin Asay wrote:

> It might be worth resetting your preferences again, to see if it's
> working for you now.

It does work (nice), although uncommenting winds up selecting part of the
previous line, so hitting comment again will screw up the lines unless I
click out of the selected text.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue May 12 13:42:21 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:42:21 -0700
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
In-Reply-To: <4A09AF7D.6050007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A09A4FE.7000902@fourthworld.com>
	<E2E7FC76-3B02-4FC8-9D62-205604F07AFB@qldlearning.com>
	<4A09AF7D.6050007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9C0CBAE8-6A23-4536-A8D2-4680700E8299@qldlearning.com>

Nah, I'm frequently off by at least a few milliseconds, possibly even  
a tick or two.

> Brian Yennie wrote:
>> I'm a bit skeptical that any such difference actually exists. Both  
>> the short and long forms should map to the exact same compiled  
>> code. Theoretically the long form would take longer to parse /  
>> compile the first time, but we're talking about the parsing of  
>> individual characters -- something that would have immeasurably  
>> small impact.
>
> Are you *always* right? :)
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May 12 13:57:23 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:57:23 -0600
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <C62F01B7.4180B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C62F01B7.4180B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0F41AF0C-8B25-49F4-9171-C7160995C429@byu.edu>


On May 12, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> It might be worth resetting your preferences again, to see if it's
>> working for you now.
>
> It does work (nice), although uncommenting winds up selecting part  
> of the
> previous line, so hitting comment again will screw up the lines  
> unless I
> click out of the selected text.

So it does. I guess I never noticed because I rarely comment then  
immediately uncomment. (Except when testing the feature.)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue May 12 13:57:56 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:57:56 EDT
Subject: revOnLine upLoad problem
Message-ID: <cf5.5037d651.373b12a4@aol.com>

Jacques:

I had successfully uploaded before. I just tried to upload a newer version, 
so I deleted the old one. I am in v3.5.

My stack did not have the "cREVonLine" custom property, so I could not 
remove it. I added the property and set it to "false". Clever, eh? But still no 
dice. ANY other stack I try works just fine. The one I want to upload runs 
into a wall.

Craig


In a message dated 5/11/09 4:54:56 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:

> Which RevOnline? If it is the old one (before version 3.5), and you've
> uploaded the stack before, there can be a glitch. To fix it you have to
> remove the custom property that identifies the stack to the server. The
> easiest way to do that is to open the stack's property inspector (make
> sure Revolution UI Elements in Lists is turned on in the View menu).
> Select the custom property set "cRevOnline" from the lower popup list
> and delete the entire set. Then delete any old copy of the stack that's
> still in RevOnline and try uploading again. This might also apply to
> RevOnline 3.5 but I haven't tested that.
> 




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From jhj at jhj.com  Tue May 12 14:01:19 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:01:19 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6646BFB0-C592-466B-920B-2A2ED16CD93F@jhj.com>

> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
>
> It is vastly better to assemble all the data into a variable and only
> put it into the field once.
> By making that change, I got the running time for your script down
> from 1022 milliseconds to 21!

That I knew, but to see the difference in numbers is astounding!

Thanks,
Jerry J



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 12 14:35:55 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:35:55 -0500
Subject: revOnLine upLoad problem
In-Reply-To: <cf5.5037d651.373b12a4@aol.com>
References: <cf5.5037d651.373b12a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A09C18B.9010304@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Jacques:
> 
> I had successfully uploaded before. I just tried to upload a newer version, 
> so I deleted the old one. I am in v3.5.
> 
> My stack did not have the "cREVonLine" custom property, so I could not 
> remove it. I added the property and set it to "false". Clever, eh? But still no 
> dice. ANY other stack I try works just fine. The one I want to upload runs 
> into a wall.

You can't set it or create it yourself, it needs to be created by the 
Rev server (so remove yours.) Also note that it isn't a single custom 
property, it's a whole property set. Sets are listed in the second 
(lower) popup menu. And because it is a Rev IDE set, you won't see it if 
you don't have View Revolution UI Elements in Lists turned on.

That said, about a year or two ago I couldn't re-upload a stack either, 
and even after doing all the above, it still didn't work. But it's been 
successful on other stacks, so it's worth a try.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 12 14:38:12 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:38:12 -0500
Subject: Details on how to apps mac like?
In-Reply-To: <C62EC78E.707%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62EC78E.707%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <4A09C214.4000901@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Cox wrote:
> No mater how close I get my icon
> bar to the windows title bar, the card?s background bleeds in. Almost like
> there?s cell padding going on.

I'm not clear what you're seeing here, but a couple of thoughts: if you 
are using a group for your toolbar, note that groups have a margin 
property. Try setting the group's margins to zero. Also make sure the 
group itself is opaque so the background card color doesn't show through.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Tue May 12 14:44:22 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:44:22 -0400
Subject: Details on how to apps mac like?
In-Reply-To: <4A09C214.4000901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C62F3BC6.741%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Thanks. I got it worked out. And thanks about the margin.. Didn't know that.

Actually you can do some pretty nice interfaces with this. ;)


On 5/12/09 2:38 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Stephen Cox wrote:
>> No mater how close I get my icon
>> bar to the windows title bar, the card?s background bleeds in. Almost like
>> there?s cell padding going on.
> 
> I'm not clear what you're seeing here, but a couple of thoughts: if you
> are using a group for your toolbar, note that groups have a margin
> property. Try setting the group's margins to zero. Also make sure the
> group itself is opaque so the background card color doesn't show through.



From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue May 12 15:28:05 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:28:05 EDT
Subject: revOnLine upLoad problem
Message-ID: <c1f.5e25d462.373b27c5@aol.com>

Jacques.

Thanks. It works. My fault, as usual, in deleting the property set.

Craig




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From barryb at libero.it  Tue May 12 16:02:29 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:02:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: interesting things hiding in rev
Message-ID: <21145090.1127581242158549434.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>


Hello Rev world :-) ,

-----------------------------
On Mon, 11 May 2009 11:
30:
41 -0400
Shao Sean wrote:

>I am assuming "lzwkey" is for registering the 
extra license for gif.

Do you mean RR still requires an extra licence to 
export GIFs?
If I am not misinformed, the Unisys patent, and all connected

controversies, expired in 2004!

Barry Barber
----------
Refences:
---------


GIF is NOW finally free - for real, with a final Unisys joke
by Tony Mobily 

2006-09-28
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1772


-------------------------------------------------------
GIF patents now expired

in Euro-Land...
By Fernando Cassia: Saturday, 19 June 2004,
http://www.

theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2004/06/19/gif-patents-now-expired-in-euro-land


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 12 16:03:26 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:03:26 -0700
Subject: Quoted or unquoted literals
Message-ID: <4A09D60E.4020509@fourthworld.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
> I'm a bit skeptical that any such difference actually exists. Both the  
> short and long forms should map to the exact same compiled code.  
> Theoretically the long form would take longer to parse / compile the  
> first time, but we're talking about the parsing of individual  
> characters -- something that would have immeasurably small impact.
> 
> When I run the benchmark, the faster method seems to depend on a  
> combination of which one appears first in the script and/or the  
> direction of the wind, and doesn't appear to be repeatable.

I'd thought about that, but when I switched the order I got the same 
results.

So I considered making a new test which swaps the order on the fly, but 
  I'm with you: the possible difference of 0.00002 ms isn't worth the 
trouble.

:)

--
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  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 12 16:23:31 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:23:31 +0100
Subject: Sending Email with attachment
Message-ID: <200905122123.31973.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Sorry to reply out of thread --  can't seem find the start of it in Nabble.  
Anyway, I am finding that sending email with attachments from the shell is 
more complicated than thought.  Quite a bit more.

You can use mail, which involves first uuencoding it, then piping it 
through to mail.  Tried this, but it didn't seem to work, don't know why.

Then you might think, why not pipe it through to an email client.  Not so 
fast!  You can, and you can evoke kmail with appropriate options from the 
command line, however what you can't apparently do is send the mail 
without user intervention.  Well, maybe there is a way if you can figure 
out how to drive kmail through DCOP..  Dunno.

So finally, the approved solution, which I have yet to make work, is to use 
nail or mailx (one is a 'heritage' version of the other).  Then to use 
this you apparently need an smtp mail agent, I'm trying msmtp.  So far no 
luck!

There is an agent called putmail.  In fact there are a whole bunch of the 
things here

http://wiki.mutt.org/?LightSMTPagents

And I will get one of them working one of these days.  But, but, if someone 
were to just add mail with attachment to Rev, what an enormous favor they 
would be doing us all!

By the way, fcron is the approved scheduler for when your system will not 
be on 24/7.  Better, apparently, than anacron.  Dunno, didn't get to do 
manual send yet, let alone unattended scheduled,  but we will see.

Peter


From tereza at califex.com  Tue May 12 17:04:37 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:04:37 -0500
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
Message-ID: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>


Hi all,

I'm using libUrl for the first time, and my first task is to obtain a  
list of files in a directory on the server. In terminal, I can log  
onto the server via ftp and I can type 'nlist' or 'ls' to obtain a  
list of files. I see in the docs that,  "You specify which command to  
use with the libURLSetFTPListCommand command." But I don't see where  
or how you actually get the list of files using libUrl.

I tried:

      get libUrlFtpCommand( pCmd, the uServer of me, the uUser of me,  
the uPasswd of me )

where pCmd is "LIST" or "NLIST" or "NLST" or "LS" and all yield error  
messages. Besides, it makes no sense that there should be a  
libURLSetFTPListCommand for specifying what kind of list to return  
without a corresponding function to actually obtain a list. Right? If  
so, what is it?

Is there a sample FTP browser written in Rev that uses libURL that I  
can use to get a head start?

-t



-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 12 17:08:39 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:08:39 -0700
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
Message-ID: <4A09E557.2000805@fourthworld.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:
> I'm using libUrl for the first time, and my first task is to obtain a  
> list of files in a directory on the server. In terminal, I can log  
> onto the server via ftp and I can type 'nlist' or 'ls' to obtain a  
> list of files. I see in the docs that,  "You specify which command to  
> use with the libURLSetFTPListCommand command." But I don't see where  
> or how you actually get the list of files using libUrl.

Just pass it a directory path ending in "/", e.g.:

   ftp://user:pass at ftp.domain.com/somefolder/


--
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  Fourth World
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From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Tue May 12 17:14:08 2009
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (Riccardo)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:14:08 +0200
Subject: Pop server
Message-ID: <3A2B215C-BE7C-4A17-9A41-A3A55319B560@gruppoparentesi.it>

Hi,
I am trying to use the Sarah's library to read messages from a POP  
server but I have same problems
In many cases the process stops during the reading and i have to force  
the exit.Is this related to the format or to the size of the message?
When the reading is ok is it possible to filter the message body to  
get the text?
Thanks in advance
Riccardo


From tereza at califex.com  Tue May 12 17:20:52 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:20:52 -0500
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
In-Reply-To: <4A09E557.2000805@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A09E557.2000805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B7BE3CCD-4A7B-40E6-8973-9914B4E0460C@califex.com>


On May 12, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Tereza Snyder wrote:
>> I'm using libUrl for the first time, and my first task is to obtain  
>> a  list of files in a directory on the server. In terminal, I can  
>> log  onto the server via ftp and I can type 'nlist' or 'ls' to  
>> obtain a  list of files. I see in the docs that,  "You specify  
>> which command to  use with the libURLSetFTPListCommand command."  
>> But I don't see where  or how you actually get the list of files  
>> using libUrl.
>
> Just pass it a directory path ending in "/", e.g.:
>
>  ftp://user:pass at ftp.domain.com/somefolder/
>

Just with get URL "ftp://user:pass at ftp.domain.com/somefolder/"?   
Simplissimo!

Unfortunately, it's not working for me. Sigh. Must be some subtlety  
I'm missing.


thanks


t


-- 
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Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue May 12 17:23:22 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:23:22 -1000
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <6646BFB0-C592-466B-920B-2A2ED16CD93F@jhj.com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<6646BFB0-C592-466B-920B-2A2ED16CD93F@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <011e01c9d347$e1b2f3f0$a518dbd0$@com>

What I think is really significant about what Jerry did is that it
demonstrates how because numbers in Rev are really "strings" that you can
perform math calculations on, and ability to interchangeably treat a chunk
as numeric or string (due to the lack of typing), Rev is able to transcend
the limitations of the math processor of a machine!

Now I don't purport to understand exactly what Jerry is doing and will have
to study it more because, before this challenge, I didn't know Fibonacci
from Liberace, and still don't. I just know they are both dead. ;-) 

But it is obvious from his code he is taking a number and using it in a
string. Nice work Jerry and someday I hope to understand why it works. ;-)

I put in 1000 and it calculated it out. (BTW for 211, it dropped from around
321 ms to 20 ms by not updating the field each time). Also, for those who
have explicitVars turned on, I forgot that if you also use GLX2, it has a
choice under the Script menu to *Declare temp vars in handler/script*. :-)
So you don't have to turn off explicitVars to work with a script like
Jerry's that doesn't have vars declared.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jerry J
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:01 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Scripting competition
> 
> > From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> >
> > It is vastly better to assemble all the data into a variable and only
> > put it into the field once.
> > By making that change, I got the running time for your script down
> > from 1022 milliseconds to 21!
> 
> That I knew, but to see the difference in numbers is astounding!
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry J
> 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue May 12 17:35:22 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:35:22 -1000
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
In-Reply-To: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>
References: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c9d349$8e8194a0$ab84bde0$@com>

Hi Terry,

It's as simple as:

Put "ftp://" & <user> & ":" & <password> & "@" & <host> & </path/> into
myDirVar

NLST or LIST first will determine if you get just the file and directory
names or the long form. This persists beyond the handler, so set it back at
the end of your handler. 

Make sure you path ends with "/" and not a file name or the same command
will retrieve a file. With slash it gives you a directory, if the directory
exists. Otherwise and error in *the result*.

Aloha From Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tereza Snyder
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:05 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Use Revolution
> Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using libUrl for the first time, and my first task is to obtain a
> list of files in a directory on the server. In terminal, I can log
> onto the server via ftp and I can type 'nlist' or 'ls' to obtain a
> list of files. I see in the docs that,  "You specify which command to
> use with the libURLSetFTPListCommand command." But I don't see where
> or how you actually get the list of files using libUrl.
> 
> I tried:
> 
>       get libUrlFtpCommand( pCmd, the uServer of me, the uUser of me,
> the uPasswd of me )
> 
> where pCmd is "LIST" or "NLIST" or "NLST" or "LS" and all yield error
> messages. Besides, it makes no sense that there should be a
> libURLSetFTPListCommand for specifying what kind of list to return
> without a corresponding function to actually obtain a list. Right? If
> so, what is it?
> 
> Is there a sample FTP browser written in Rev that uses libURL that I
> can use to get a head start?
> 
> -t
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
> 
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From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Tue May 12 17:41:19 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:41:19 +0200
Subject: uncomment short cut don't work on my mac
In-Reply-To: <20090512165138.8E22E48ABDF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090512165138.8E22E48ABDF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <741F78AE-1275-4534-80BD-39E6871D8671@macbay.de>

Hi Devin,

>> Since Rev 3.0 the uncomment shortcut do not works on my mac.
>> With "apple" "-" I can comment a line in my script.
>> But "apple" "shift" "_" strikes.
>> I have to grab my mouse and click at the menu.
>>
>> Do anybody knows help?
>
> This was a bug in early 3.0 releases. It has been fixed, but to make
> it work again on your Rev installation you will have to reset the
> preferences for the script editor. Just go to the Script Editor
> Preference panel and click Reset Preferences to Defaults. That should
> fix it.

Well it works in that way!

:-)
Reinhold


From tereza at califex.com  Tue May 12 17:44:00 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:00 -0500
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement : unpuzzled!
In-Reply-To: <011f01c9d349$8e8194a0$ab84bde0$@com>
References: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>
	<011f01c9d349$8e8194a0$ab84bde0$@com>
Message-ID: <2F7237F7-AF93-4ACE-A837-67CBAE93FB89@califex.com>


On May 12, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

>
> It's as simple as:
>
> Put "ftp://" & <user> & ":" & <password> & "@" & <host> & </path/>  
> into
> myDirVar
>
> NLST or LIST first will determine if you get just the file and  
> directory
> names or the long form. This persists beyond the handler, so set it  
> back at
> the end of your handler.
>
> Make sure you path ends with "/" and not a file name or the same  
> command
> will retrieve a file. With slash it gives you a directory, if the  
> directory
> exists. Otherwise and error in *the result*.


Thanks Jim (& Richard).

I got it to go! At first, I tried as you suggested to no avail. But  
then I checked the result to find a message there re previous  
operation not being completed. I reset all and viola! a list of files!

Now to descend into the details...

Thanks again,


t



-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 12 18:11:43 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:11:43 +0100
Subject: On-Rev down?
Message-ID: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>

Just wondering if anyone else can view on-rev or any sites hosted  
there. I can't open either the on-rev site or any of my domains that  
are pointed to the host. :-(

Ian


From coiin at rcn.com  Tue May 12 18:13:27 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:13:27 -0400
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>


On May 12, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Ian Wood wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone else can view on-rev or any sites hosted  
> there. I can't open either the on-rev site or any of my domains that  
> are pointed to the host. :-(


It does seem poorly at the moment,. The email server is not responding  
too.




From psahores at free.fr  Tue May 12 18:16:54 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:16:54 +0200
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>

Up again after 45 mn of interruption
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 13 mai 09 ? 00:13, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

>
> On May 12, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Ian Wood wrote:
>
>> Just wondering if anyone else can view on-rev or any sites hosted  
>> there. I can't open either the on-rev site or any of my domains  
>> that are pointed to the host. :-(
>
>
> It does seem poorly at the moment,. The email server is not  
> responding too.
>
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue May 12 18:21:11 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:21:11 -1000
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c9d34f$f5e914a0$e1bb3de0$@com>

I just FTPd and browsed.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ian Wood
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: On-Rev down?
> 
> Just wondering if anyone else can view on-rev or any sites hosted
> there. I can't open either the on-rev site or any of my domains that
> are pointed to the host. :-(
> 
> Ian
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 12 18:22:01 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:22:01 +0100
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>
	<58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>
Message-ID: <FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>

Yes, back up again.

Ian

On 12 May 2009, at 23:16, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Up again after 45 mn of interruption



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue May 12 18:45:16 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:45:16 +0100
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>
	<58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>
	<FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905121545r4f35f846lecfbbc6b78aecaae@mail.gmail.com>

How about the On-Rev client? I can't login.

2009/5/12 Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

> Yes, back up again.
>
> Ian
>
> On 12 May 2009, at 23:16, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>  Up again after 45 mn of interruption
>>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 12 18:48:10 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:48:10 +1000
Subject: Pop server
In-Reply-To: <3A2B215C-BE7C-4A17-9A41-A3A55319B560@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <3A2B215C-BE7C-4A17-9A41-A3A55319B560@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905121548i529dc77dua64644491b18a3f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Riccardo <tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to use the Sarah's library to read messages from a POP server
> but I have same problems
> In many cases the process stops during the reading and i have to force the
> exit.Is this related to the format or to the size of the message?
> When the reading is ok is it possible to filter the message body to get the
> text?

It shouldn't be anything to do with the format as all emails are
straight text with any attachments encoded into text as well.
It might be the size, so look for the line in the library that sets
the socketTimeoutInterval and make that longer.

The only other suggestion is to limit the number of emails processed
in a single batch. I usually only take in 10 to 20 per batch and then
close the connection. This implements all the pending deletes and
seems to make everything work better.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 12 19:13:58 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:13:58 +1000
Subject: Best way to get the path to one stack/standalone
In-Reply-To: <23497586.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23494588.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860905111925h503dbe99o43847374e9245476@mail.gmail.com>
	<23497586.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905121613o7888843ajff689d5da5ff4db7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Josep <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks :)
>
> It's the same for Windows?
>

No, not quite, because my function looks for the .app extension which
is a Mac only thing. And in a Mac app, I know that any separate
sub-stacks are inside the .app bundle, so this function works it's way
up the path and this will get to the app eventually.
Without being able to test it right now, I would guess that if you
stared with getting the filename of the mainStack and then looked for
.exe as well as .app & .rev, then it would work on Windows as well,
but you would need to check that.

Cheers,
Sarah


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue May 12 19:14:06 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:14:06 +0100
Subject: OT: Declared variables and the scripting competition.
Message-ID: <4A0A02BE.9060506@tweedly.net>


The difficulty with this competition was always going to be that the 
quest was to find ".. the most elegant ..." - i.e. a subjective 
evaluation criterion.

So I thought about what would Mark W. find elegant - and decided I had 
to use (or over-use) variable declarations.

First, I had a version that started out ...
>
> function fib p
>   local f
>   local i
>   local b
>   local o
>   local n
>   local a
etc.

But this ran into a problem with the second  "  local c" because that 
was the same variabledeclared twice - surely not elegant.

Second, I tried it doing

>   local i
> ...
>   local c
>   global c
>   global i

but this causes errors ("variable shadows another") when I turned on 
strict compilation (which had to be a part og any answer that would meet 
Mark's satisfaction).

Then I realized this was the wrong approach - what I needed to do was 
use the more expansive form of declaration, and then simply let Rev find 
me the correct definition of the function.

> universal  fibonacci   -- somewhere in the univese this function must 
> already exist
and then I should be able to just call it, and let Rev find it and use 
it. :-)

So - I claim the shortest solution (either 1 line or 0 lines, depending 
how you count); unfortunately I can't verify the results until version 5 
or 6 of Rev, which will include the complete implementation of code 
sharing to allow finding universal handlers and variables.

-- Alex.




From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue May 12 19:44:15 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <23512752.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,
I don't understand what's happening.

Can somebody tell me why other stacks open and are listed in the Application
Browser, when I only selected one stack to open?
The one stack has no other stacks associated to it and no other stacks have
been selected in the "Standalone Application Settings".
These other stacks that are opening are some of the most recent stacks I've
worked on. Each is a one stack .rev file.

Regards,
Mark Stuart
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Other-stacks-opening-besides-the-one-selected-tp23512752p23512752.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From contact at kipmedia.com  Tue May 12 19:56:28 2009
From: contact at kipmedia.com (chris livermore)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:56:28 +1000
Subject: [OT] EFL video resources
In-Reply-To: <943EE9AE-584E-4467-BC5C-880DA8679199@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <4A09A8E8.200@gmail.com>
	<943EE9AE-584E-4467-BC5C-880DA8679199@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <2750861E-2CF7-4FA4-AD4B-4F6C1955CD49@kipmedia.com>

hey, nice find Richard! (re: resources)

Just to set you straight on our lingo:
'Cobber' is more British, never heard it here. It's Aussie, not 'Ozzy'  
as we don't all talk like Ozzy Osbourne, except maybe after a few  
schooners down the pub.
For traveling here, a handy phrase is: Hey mate, ya know where tha  
nearest dunny is?

all the best

chris

On 13/05/2009, at 2:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I have been using these video resources for over 3 years now:
>
> http://australianetwork.com/nexus/
>
> http://australianetwork.com/learningenglish/vodcast.htm
>
> http://australianetwork.com/englishbites/
>
> http://australianetwork.com/businessenglish/
>
> http://australianetwork.com/studyenglish/    -- this is absolutely  
> excellent for IELTS prep students
>
> they all come with PDF transcripts, a lot with worksheets.
>
> e-mailing them, they informed me that outwith the
> Asia-Pacific region it was perfectly OK to download these
> video resources and distribute them on media as long
> as it was done for FREE.
>
> Don't quote me on the above, contact them yourself and
> ask.  :)
>
> As far as I can see, cobber, the only risk is that your students
> might end up with Ozzy accents.  :)
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue May 12 20:08:56 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:08:56 -0700
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905121545r4f35f846lecfbbc6b78aecaae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>	<7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>	<58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>	<FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>
	<c1c5836b0905121545r4f35f846lecfbbc6b78aecaae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0A0F98.2070200@pdslabs.net>

Hi David,

I posted this problem to support (aka Heather) the other night and 
received this response:
> I suspect there is an issue with the irev client and SSH. We're investigating
> this, I'll get back to you when I have any more information.
>   
If you have SSH access to your account as I do to mine, that may be why 
your on-rev client isn't working.


David Bovill wrote:
> How about the On-Rev client? I can't login.
>
>   
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue May 12 20:17:06 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:17:06 -0700
Subject: How to remove leading and trailing spaces from a string?
In-Reply-To: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A0A1182.3000407@castandcrew.com>

Howzit,

I needed to do that and was about to (once again) reinvent the wheel, 
but decided to use the Rev search engine instead, and came across this 
handy regular expression function from Ken Ray, posted circa 2006.  
Works great!  Thank you, Mr. Ray.

Sadhu

function trimWS pText
-- Remove all leading and trailing whitespace characters.
-- I.E., space, tab, carriage return, line feed, form feed.

  return replaceText(pText,"(^\s+)|(\s+$)",empty)

end trimWS





From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue May 12 20:26:57 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:26:57 -0700
Subject: How to remove leading and trailing spaces from a string?
In-Reply-To: <4A0A1182.3000407@castandcrew.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
	<4A0A1182.3000407@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <4A0A13D1.5000708@pdslabs.net>

Seems like I remember Ken also suggesting another solution which even I 
can understand:

function unpadded pText
   return word 1 to -1 of pText -- Ken's solution
end unpadded

At least I *think* it was Mr. Ray....

Phil


Sadhu Nadesan wrote:
> Howzit,
>
> I needed to do that and was about to (once again) reinvent the wheel, 
> but decided to use the Rev search engine instead, and came across this 
> handy regular expression function from Ken Ray, posted circa 2006.  
> Works great!  Thank you, Mr. Ray.
>
> Sadhu
>
> function trimWS pText
> -- Remove all leading and trailing whitespace characters.
> -- I.E., space, tab, carriage return, line feed, form feed.
>
>  return replaceText(pText,"(^\s+)|(\s+$)",empty)
>
> end trimWS

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue May 12 20:26:43 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:26:43 -1000
Subject: How to remove leading and trailing spaces from a string?
In-Reply-To: <4A0A1182.3000407@castandcrew.com>
References: <20090424201753.545D348B149@mail.runrev.com>
	<4A0A1182.3000407@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c9d361$7e764b60$7b62e220$@com>

Hi Sadu,

If it is just leading and trailing chars of the entire string of words or
items or..., you can use:

Put word 1 to -1 of tString into tString. 

If it's a string of items use item 1 to -1...

This removes spaces and other "non-word" chars before word 1 and after word
-1. And it's quick.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sadhu Nadesan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: How to remove leading and trailing spaces from a string?
> 
> Howzit,
> 
> I needed to do that and was about to (once again) reinvent the wheel,
> but decided to use the Rev search engine instead, and came across this
> handy regular expression function from Ken Ray, posted circa 2006.
> Works great!  Thank you, Mr. Ray.
> 
> Sadhu
> 
> function trimWS pText
> -- Remove all leading and trailing whitespace characters.
> -- I.E., space, tab, carriage return, line feed, form feed.
> 
>   return replaceText(pText,"(^\s+)|(\s+$)",empty)
> 
> end trimWS
> 
> 
> 
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From jhj at jhj.com  Tue May 12 20:31:30 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:31:30 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition results
In-Reply-To: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <96585EB9-E782-4704-B648-0BBB21EAAB0A@jhj.com>

> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>

> (Jerry- I got off digest
> mode last year and I'm *really* glad I did)

I just did, and you're right, its way better. And, no more me messing  
up threads by re-pasting the subject!

Now, to figure out why Brian's Fib code is faster - our algorithms  
were nearly identical and both are pretty tight code. Without, of  
course, my silly field-stuffing.

Jim B mentioned that it calculated #1000 OK - there should actually be  
no limit, I guess until you hit the maximum line length for reporting  
the answer! It should slow way down as stuffing one char in front of  
64000 others could take a while...

Cheer,
Jerry J



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 12 20:42:45 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:42:45 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition results
In-Reply-To: <96585EB9-E782-4704-B648-0BBB21EAAB0A@jhj.com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<96585EB9-E782-4704-B648-0BBB21EAAB0A@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <341910909390.20090512174245@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 5:31:30 PM, you wrote:

> Now, to figure out why Brian's Fib code is faster - our algorithms
> were nearly identical and both are pretty tight code. Without, of  
> course, my silly field-stuffing.

It isn't, actually. I put lock/unlock screen commands around your code
before timing it, so most of the field update went by unnoticed. But
enough of it still added up to make your algorithm come in at about 55
milliseconds and Brian's at about 35. If you pull the field update out
of yours completely and then just return the value it's actually about
the same total time.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 12 20:47:03 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:47:03 -0700
Subject: OT: Declared variables and the scripting competition.
In-Reply-To: <4A0A02BE.9060506@tweedly.net>
References: <4A0A02BE.9060506@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1141911166750.20090512174703@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:14:06 PM, you wrote:

> First, I had a version that started out ...
>>
>> function fib p
>>   local f
>>   local i
>>   local b
>>   local o
>>   local n
>>   local a
> etc.

How about

local f
local i
local b
local o
local n
local ac
local ci

That gives you seven to play with.

Actually, what I liked about your solution (or at least the url you
used) was the factorial section. I started looking for patterns, then
decided that was a never-ending road of distraction.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david at architex.tv  Tue May 12 20:52:47 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:52:47 +0100
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <4A0A0F98.2070200@pdslabs.net>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>
	<58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>
	<FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>
	<c1c5836b0905121545r4f35f846lecfbbc6b78aecaae@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0A0F98.2070200@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905121752x556e6212h6845840914d280cd@mail.gmail.com>

Ah... thanks I got the same reply a week ago. Maybe coz ssh was enabled only
for an IP... that got transfered over... beats me. Any way with luck they
will be taking a nice look at SSH certificates. What would be nice would be
to be able to seemlesly create and fetch a user cert from CACert (without
having to go to the web site), I've had a look at that but not got round to
implementing it - anyone else looked?

2009/5/13 Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net>

> Hi David,
>
> I posted this problem to support (aka Heather) the other night and received
> this response:
>
>> I suspect there is an issue with the irev client and SSH. We're
>> investigating
>> this, I'll get back to you when I have any more information.
>>
>>
> If you have SSH access to your account as I do to mine, that may be why
> your on-rev client isn't working.
>
>
> David Bovill wrote:
>
>> How about the On-Rev client? I can't login.
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
>
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From jhj at jhj.com  Tue May 12 20:55:54 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:55:54 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition results
In-Reply-To: <341910909390.20090512174245@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<96585EB9-E782-4704-B648-0BBB21EAAB0A@jhj.com>
	<341910909390.20090512174245@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5FAD00FA-1399-4F13-B4B3-8A12F3EBC2BE@jhj.com>

On May 12, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jerry-
>
> Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 5:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Now, to figure out why Brian's Fib code is faster - our algorithms
>> were nearly identical and both are pretty tight code. Without, of
>> course, my silly field-stuffing.
>
> It isn't, actually. I put lock/unlock screen commands around your code
> before timing it, so most of the field update went by unnoticed. But
> enough of it still added up to make your algorithm come in at about 55
> milliseconds and Brian's at about 35. If you pull the field update out
> of yours completely and then just return the value it's actually about
> the same total time.

Ah, its another reminder to not mess with fields *at all* unless  
somebody is watching! Thanks for the test, it saves me the time.  
Today, I learned something (again).
--Jerry




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May 12 21:17:54 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:17:54 +0800
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode (and fruit)
In-Reply-To: <4A090E46.4030306@gmail.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com> <4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>
	<4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160905112140g72a60f4aw2707ada45ab0c5a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A090E46.4030306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905121817q4821a15cvcefd798eb840ee04@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I cannot restrain myself



> they should
> be working overtime to set the masses free:
> something they are certainly not doing by pumping buckets
> of money into the "People's Republic" of China - the
> PEOPLE being the last to see any of the money or
> the benefits it could bring.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> If you don't like my right-wing politics,
> reply in a civilised fashion.  :)
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>

It's not that I don't like our right-wing politics, or that I can't be
civilised....but......Ahhhhg I must restrain myself......this is such a
divisive topic and this List is not the place.

Now press the Send button and go and read another Post.... move on there's
nothing to Post here....


From randall at randallreetz.com  Tue May 12 21:42:58 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:42:58 -0700
Subject: New Scripting Competition
Message-ID: <20090513014258.MIMS7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

The new contest: Build My Project

-write me for requirements-

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: 5/11/2009 2:27 PM
Subject: Scripting competition

Jacque-

Monday, May 11, 2009, 2:05:48 PM, you wrote:

> You know what I miss? Remember those scripting competitions we used to
> have on the HC list? Someone would propose a challenge and everyone 
> would jump in and write their best shot at the most elegant solution.
> Those were fun.

Thanks. I've been looking for an excuse for this. Here's one that came
my way recently (and this gets to the heart of some of the recent math
stuff as well):

...Calculate the 211th Fibonacci number...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net

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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May 12 22:24:19 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:24:19 +0800
Subject: Sending Email with attachment
In-Reply-To: <200905122123.31973.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200905122123.31973.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905121924m5201c14di40522b9fd63feb73@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>  I am finding that sending email with attachments from the shell is
> more complicated than thought.  Quite a bit more.
>
> That's because your honest. Maybe you need to spend some time at the
SpammersOfTheWorld User List ;-)


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 12 22:26:46 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:26:46 -0700
Subject: New Scripting Competition
In-Reply-To: <20090513014258.MIMS7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090513014258.MIMS7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <1381917150312.20090512192646@ahsoftware.net>

Randall-

Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 6:42:58 PM, you wrote:

> The new contest: Build My Project

> -write me for requirements-

"Requirements"? We don't need no steenking "requirements"...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May 12 22:47:19 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:47:19 +0800
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <23512752.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23512752.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905121947x6ce9c858o195c9479758dbe2c@mail.gmail.com>

What does the stack in question do?
Have you done a global search to see if there is a 'start using' that has
mysteriously appeared in your stack.

Does the stack contain an openStack or openCard script. If so, if you place
a breakpoint right at the beginning so that you can step through, when do
the other stack open?

Not a solution but hopefully it'll give you some clues ;-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May 12 22:50:58 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:50:58 +0800
Subject: New Scripting Competition
In-Reply-To: <20090513014258.MIMS7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090513014258.MIMS7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905121950v59cb47b1l10f3c65c340f9869@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>wrote:

> The new contest: Build My Project
>

on openCard
  answer "Project Built"
end openCard


From tariel at mac.com  Tue May 12 22:57:27 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:57:27 -0400
Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
In-Reply-To: <20090329170004.BB93748A39E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090329170004.BB93748A39E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>

Hi,

Setting the image FileName to

ftp://User:Pass at DomainName.com:21/folderName/ImageName.jpg

is working in my tests, but may be somebody knows, is it OK to use  
FTP to set  image FileName and if yes,  is there a difference in load  
speed, reliability etc between setting image FileName to FTP as  
opposed to "normal"
http://DomainName.com/FolderName/ImageName.jpg

Thanks in advance for tips
Tariel


From jim at visitrieve.com  Tue May 12 23:58:07 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:58:07 -1000
Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
In-Reply-To: <E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>
References: <20090329170004.BB93748A39E@mail.runrev.com>
	<E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c9d37f$067b6ff0$13724fd0$@com>

Hi Tariel,

Speed aside, if this project is something that is going to run on anything
but your own machine, you do know that anyone with a freely available
sniffer can "see" the user name and password you are using?

Hence, you are best off using a public html address or if you must address a
password protected area of the server, talk to a CGI script that returns the
jpg. Also, using any jpg on the Internet means your app cannot run off-line.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tariel Gogoberidze
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:57 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Setting the image FileName to
> 
> ftp://User:Pass at DomainName.com:21/folderName/ImageName.jpg
> 
> is working in my tests, but may be somebody knows, is it OK to use
> FTP to set  image FileName and if yes,  is there a difference in load
> speed, reliability etc between setting image FileName to FTP as
> opposed to "normal"
> http://DomainName.com/FolderName/ImageName.jpg
> 
> Thanks in advance for tips
> Tariel
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From tariel at mac.com  Wed May 13 00:01:13 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:01:13 -0400
Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
In-Reply-To: <E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>
References: <20090329170004.BB93748A39E@mail.runrev.com>
	<E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CF105450-7CD8-4891-AFA5-D7ED31EF8AEB@mac.com>


On May 12, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:


> Setting the image FileName to
>
> ftp://User:Pass at DomainName.com:21/folderName/ImageName.jpg
>
> is working in my tests, but may be somebody knows, is it OK to use  
> FTP to set  image FileName and if yes,  is there a difference in  
> load speed, reliability etc between setting image FileName to FTP  
> as opposed to "normal"
> http://DomainName.com/FolderName/ImageName.jpg



Concerning speed, I can answer this question myself now. Repeat loop  
on bunch of images that sets image FileName to FTP:// takes about 3  
times longer then HTTP://

FTP = 70 sec
HTTP = 20 sec

So, another question, is it possible to have http:// path to On-Rev  
folder not accessible from browser?

Tariel



From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May 13 00:24:08 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:24:08 -1000
Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
In-Reply-To: <CF105450-7CD8-4891-AFA5-D7ED31EF8AEB@mac.com>
References: <20090329170004.BB93748A39E@mail.runrev.com>	<E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>
	<CF105450-7CD8-4891-AFA5-D7ED31EF8AEB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c9d382$a922a900$fb67fb00$@com>

Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:

> So, another question, is it possible to have http:// path to On-Rev
> folder not accessible from browser?

If you are on on-Rev, then the world is your oyster. ;-) You app address a
publically available html page that in turn uses the new Rev scripting to
access a secure area of your server. Whether it does this or not or what it
returns is limited only by your scripting imagination. 

For example, it could check what or who is making the request. It could send
the jpg in an encrypted or "crippled" format (some bytes missing) that only
your application knows how to decrypt or use. Etc...

In either case the jpgs can be in a secure area of your account and you
don't have to pass any user names or passwords and if somebody browses to
the html page that your app goes to, they get garbage. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 13 00:28:03 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:28:03 -0500
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <23512752.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23512752.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A0A4C53.4020400@hyperactivesw.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> Hi all,
> I don't understand what's happening.
> 
> Can somebody tell me why other stacks open and are listed in the Application
> Browser, when I only selected one stack to open?
> The one stack has no other stacks associated to it and no other stacks have
> been selected in the "Standalone Application Settings".
> These other stacks that are opening are some of the most recent stacks I've
> worked on. Each is a one stack .rev file.

The stacks may not have their destroystack property set to true. If 
destroystack is false (which is Rev's default) the stack is not active 
and not in the message path, but it isn't really closed either. It 
remains in RAM and I think the app browser still sees it.

Try this: Right-click on the stack name and choose "Close and remove 
from memory" from the contextual menu. If the stack goes away, that was 
the problem.

You can solve this a couple of ways. When closing your stack, use the 
"Close and remove from memory" option in the File menu to close the 
stack instead of just clicking the close box. Or easier, set your 
preferenes to make destroystack true for all newly created stacks. For 
existing stacks, set the destroystack property in the stack's inspector 
and save the stack. After that, clicking the closebox will completely 
remove it from memory automatically.

If destroystack isn't the problem, then I'm not sure what it could be.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed May 13 00:34:01 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:34:01 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <000001c9d384$0a867ea0$6073b546@stuart>

Written by Kay C Lan on Tue May 12, 2009 - 9:47 PM CDT

>>>>
What does the stack in question do?
Have you done a global search to see if there is a 'start using' that has
mysteriously appeared in your stack.

Does the stack contain an openStack or openCard script. If so, if you place
a breakpoint right at the beginning so that you can step through, when do
the other stack open?

Not a solution but hopefully it'll give you some clues ;-)
<<<

Hi Kay,
Platform: WinXP
- The stack has 2 fields and 4 push buttons on it. One of the fields is a
list of SQL database records and the other is populated from clicking on a
line in the list, that then reads the database.
- I have not placed a 'start using' script in the stack. But as you say, it
may have mysteriously appeared, so I will search for that.
- The stack does have all 3 preOpenStack, openStack, and closeStack scripts.
I haven't placed a breakpoint yet, but will try that tomorrow.
- The other stacks open immediately, with the File/Open Stack... menu
selection. So when I select a stack and it has opened, there are the other
stacks listed in the Application Browser. And again, the most recently
opened ones.

Regards,
Mark Stuart



From tariel at mac.com  Wed May 13 00:35:47 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:35:47 -0400
Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
In-Reply-To: <CF105450-7CD8-4891-AFA5-D7ED31EF8AEB@mac.com>
References: <20090329170004.BB93748A39E@mail.runrev.com>
	<E581CEC2-626A-49C4-8966-E4EC0C290958@mac.com>
	<CF105450-7CD8-4891-AFA5-D7ED31EF8AEB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <446A3D5D-0B59-4350-9205-53E7EC26D291@mac.com>


On May 13, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:

>  is it possible to have http:// path to On-Rev folder not  
> accessible from browser?

Figured this out. Directory could be protected through cPanel

Sorry for this "bombardment" with questions. I was in rush.

Tariel



From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May 13 00:45:41 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:45:41 -1000
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <000001c9d384$0a867ea0$6073b546@stuart>
References: <000001c9d384$0a867ea0$6073b546@stuart>
Message-ID: <001f01c9d385$ac0464d0$040d2e70$@com>

Hi Mark,

This is kind of an obvious question, but do you recognize the names of the
stacks that are appearing? Meaning are they yours? Or, do they all start
with rev...

If they are rev files just go to your View menu and uncheck Revolution UI
elements in lists.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stuart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:34 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
> 
> Written by Kay C Lan on Tue May 12, 2009 - 9:47 PM CDT
> 
> >>>>
> What does the stack in question do?
> Have you done a global search to see if there is a 'start using' that
> has
> mysteriously appeared in your stack.
> 
> Does the stack contain an openStack or openCard script. If so, if you
> place
> a breakpoint right at the beginning so that you can step through, when
> do
> the other stack open?
> 
> Not a solution but hopefully it'll give you some clues ;-)
> <<<
> 
> Hi Kay,
> Platform: WinXP
> - The stack has 2 fields and 4 push buttons on it. One of the fields is
> a
> list of SQL database records and the other is populated from clicking
> on a
> line in the list, that then reads the database.
> - I have not placed a 'start using' script in the stack. But as you
> say, it
> may have mysteriously appeared, so I will search for that.
> - The stack does have all 3 preOpenStack, openStack, and closeStack
> scripts.
> I haven't placed a breakpoint yet, but will try that tomorrow.
> - The other stacks open immediately, with the File/Open Stack... menu
> selection. So when I select a stack and it has opened, there are the
> other
> stacks listed in the Application Browser. And again, the most recently
> opened ones.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> 
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed May 13 00:48:02 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:48:02 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <000001c9d385$ffb9d650$6073b546@stuart>

Written by J. Landman Gay on Tue May 12, 2009 - 11:28 PM CDT
>>>
The stacks may not have their destroystack property set to true. If 
destroystack is false (which is Rev's default) the stack is not active 
and not in the message path, but it isn't really closed either. It 
remains in RAM and I think the app browser still sees it.
<<<

Hi Jacque,
In response to this, please read my reply to Kay.
In it I mention that the other stacks are opened with the stack I select to
open.
All this from once opening RunRev, and then selecting the File/Open Stack...
menu option.
And these 'other' stacks are in different folders, not all in the one place.
I've looked at the Main Stack property of the Inspector and none are related
to one another.

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart




From randall at randallreetz.com  Wed May 13 00:49:22 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:49:22 -0700
Subject: New Scripting Competition
Message-ID: <20090513044924.NBUY13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

It will be fun! (to build My Project)
Its like an X-Prize! (except there is no money)
Zero is the new Million!

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/12/2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: New Scripting Competition

Randall-

Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 6:42:58 PM, you wrote:

> The new contest: Build My Project

> -write me for requirements-

"Requirements"? We don't need no steenking "requirements"...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net

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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed May 13 00:55:15 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:55:15 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <000001c9d387$0407b730$6073b546@stuart>

Written by Jim Bufalini on Tue May 12, 2009 - 11:45 PM CDT
>>>
This is kind of an obvious question, but do you recognize the names of the
stacks that are appearing? Meaning are they yours? Or, do they all start
with rev...

If they are rev files just go to your View menu and uncheck Revolution UI
elements in lists.

Aloha from Hawaii,
Jim Bufalini
 <<<

Hi Jim,
I see where you're going with that. Answer: no. None start with 'rev'.

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart




From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May 13 01:00:30 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:00:30 -1000
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <000001c9d387$0407b730$6073b546@stuart>
References: <000001c9d387$0407b730$6073b546@stuart>
Message-ID: <002001c9d387$bd6d4370$3847ca50$@com>

This is turning into 20 questions. ;-) Can you send the names of some of
these .rev files opening up? Sounds like plugins or? since you didn't say
you have windows opening up but files appearing in the application browser.
If you list the names, maybe someone will recognize them. If they are your
files, then something in your code is doing it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stuart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:55 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
> 
> Written by Jim Bufalini on Tue May 12, 2009 - 11:45 PM CDT
> >>>
> This is kind of an obvious question, but do you recognize the names of
> the
> stacks that are appearing? Meaning are they yours? Or, do they all
> start
> with rev...
> 
> If they are rev files just go to your View menu and uncheck Revolution
> UI
> elements in lists.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> Jim Bufalini
>  <<<
> 
> Hi Jim,
> I see where you're going with that. Answer: no. None start with 'rev'.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> 
> 
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed May 13 01:12:23 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:12:23 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <000001c9d389$665a8b40$6073b546@stuart>

Written by Jim Bufalini on Wed May 13, 2009 - 00:00 AM CDT

>>>

This is turning into 20 questions. ;-) Can you send the names of some of

these .rev files opening up? Sounds like plugins or? since you didn't say

you have windows opening up but files appearing in the application browser.

If you list the names, maybe someone will recognize them. If they are your

files, then something in your code is doing it.

<<<

 

Hi Jim,

Sorry about that chief :-)

But all the .rev files are ones that I've named and built from scratch. All
created using File/New Stack.

 

I open this stack:

ReadHTMLNotes.rev

and the following appear in the Application Browser: (all totally unrelated
to the selected stack)

ContactList.rev

ArchiveList.rev

CompareFiles.rev

 

Just to name a few.

Do these look like they might be related to Rev files in some way, and
therefore will open and appear in the Application Browser?

 

--

Regards,

Mark Stuart

 



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed May 13 01:49:49 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:49:49 +0200
Subject: Datagrid data to text file
Message-ID: <C72A1863-D2BF-4790-A43F-BDBBC145D45F@skynet.be>

Hello list,

I want to export the data of a datagrid form to a text file (tab-tab- 
return text file)

I've tried with the dgtext of group "dataGrid 1" but the columns are  
not in the properly order

So I try with the dgData of group "dataGrid 1"
but it gives me an array data

How can I convert this array data in a text ?

(there are 4 columns in the datagrid and the number of rows is a  
variable)

Thank you very much.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From fredrik at morbug.se  Wed May 13 02:26:09 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:26:09 +0200
Subject: Datagrid data to text file
In-Reply-To: <C72A1863-D2BF-4790-A43F-BDBBC145D45F@skynet.be>
References: <C72A1863-D2BF-4790-A43F-BDBBC145D45F@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <50D25268-55C9-4378-8D0C-C4F14F6CCC68@morbug.se>

Hi,

This is my own newbie solution. Looping through the array I'm  
afraid ;)  You can probably use the Split/Convert commands (or other  
means) to do it a lot more efficiently.


ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
     put empty into tData
     put the dgData of group "DataGrid List" into theDataA
     REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines in the keys of theDataA
         put  theDataA[i]["?gr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dnr"] & ";" &  
theDataA[i]["Pnr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Namn"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
["P?b?rjad"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Avslutad"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
["Text"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dagbok"]  into  tLine

     END repeat

     put tData into URL("file:" & fld "s?kv?g" & fld "opid")

END mouseUp

Regards,

Fredrik

13 maj 2009 kl. 07.49 skrev Yves COPPE:

> Hello list,
>
> I want to export the data of a datagrid form to a text file (tab-tab- 
> return text file)
>
> I've tried with the dgtext of group "dataGrid 1" but the columns are  
> not in the properly order
>
> So I try with the dgData of group "dataGrid 1"
> but it gives me an array data
>
> How can I convert this array data in a text ?
>
> (there are 4 columns in the datagrid and the number of rows is a  
> variable)
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From fredrik at morbug.se  Wed May 13 02:29:34 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:29:34 +0200
Subject: Datagrid data to text file
In-Reply-To: <50D25268-55C9-4378-8D0C-C4F14F6CCC68@morbug.se>
References: <C72A1863-D2BF-4790-A43F-BDBBC145D45F@skynet.be>
	<50D25268-55C9-4378-8D0C-C4F14F6CCC68@morbug.se>
Message-ID: <59A8789D-EB4D-4780-BF21-C440AFE05655@morbug.se>

Whoops, missed a line from my code:

ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
     put empty into tData
     put the dgData of group "DataGrid List" into theDataA
     REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines in the keys of theDataA
         put  theDataA[i]["?gr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dnr"] & ";" &  
theDataA[i]["Pnr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Namn"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
["P?b?rjad"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Avslutad"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
["Text"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dagbok"]  into  tLine
        put tLine & return after tData

     END repeat

     put tData into URL("file:" & fld "s?kv?g" & fld "opid")

END mouseUp

- Fredrik

13 maj 2009 kl. 08.26 skrev Fredrik Andersson:

> Hi,
>
> This is my own newbie solution. Looping through the array I'm  
> afraid ;)  You can probably use the Split/Convert commands (or other  
> means) to do it a lot more efficiently.
>
>
> ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>    put empty into tData
>    put the dgData of group "DataGrid List" into theDataA
>    REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines in the keys of theDataA
>        put  theDataA[i]["?gr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dnr"] & ";" &  
> theDataA[i]["Pnr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Namn"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
> ["P?b?rjad"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Avslutad"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
> ["Text"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dagbok"]  into  tLine
>
>    END repeat
>
>    put tData into URL("file:" & fld "s?kv?g" & fld "opid")
>
> END mouseUp
>
> Regards,
>
> Fredrik
>
> 13 maj 2009 kl. 07.49 skrev Yves COPPE:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I want to export the data of a datagrid form to a text file (tab- 
>> tab-return text file)
>>
>> I've tried with the dgtext of group "dataGrid 1" but the columns  
>> are not in the properly order
>>
>> So I try with the dgData of group "dataGrid 1"
>> but it gives me an array data
>>
>> How can I convert this array data in a text ?
>>
>> (there are 4 columns in the datagrid and the number of rows is a  
>> variable)
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Yves COPPE
>> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed May 13 02:55:41 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:55:41 +0200
Subject: Datagrid data to text file
In-Reply-To: <59A8789D-EB4D-4780-BF21-C440AFE05655@morbug.se>
References: <C72A1863-D2BF-4790-A43F-BDBBC145D45F@skynet.be>
	<50D25268-55C9-4378-8D0C-C4F14F6CCC68@morbug.se>
	<59A8789D-EB4D-4780-BF21-C440AFE05655@morbug.se>
Message-ID: <ED2AF94F-F70F-4821-A6BB-5EE72A5E6ADE@skynet.be>


Le 13 mai 09 ? 08:29, Fredrik Andersson a ?crit :

> Whoops, missed a line from my code:
>
> ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>    put empty into tData
>    put the dgData of group "DataGrid List" into theDataA
>    REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines in the keys of theDataA
>        put  theDataA[i]["?gr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dnr"] & ";" &  
> theDataA[i]["Pnr"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Namn"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
> ["P?b?rjad"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Avslutad"] & ";" & theDataA[i] 
> ["Text"] & ";" & theDataA[i]["Dagbok"]  into  tLine
>       put tLine & return after tData
>
>    END repeat
>
>    put tData into URL("file:" & fld "s?kv?g" & fld "opid")
>
> END mouseUp
>
> - Fredrik
>
>


Re,

thank you, it works fine !


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 03:14:44 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:14:44 +0300
Subject: [OT] EFL video resources
In-Reply-To: <2750861E-2CF7-4FA4-AD4B-4F6C1955CD49@kipmedia.com>
References: <4A09A8E8.200@gmail.com>	<943EE9AE-584E-4467-BC5C-880DA8679199@unimelb.edu.au>
	<2750861E-2CF7-4FA4-AD4B-4F6C1955CD49@kipmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A0A7364.4000402@gmail.com>

Who's 'Richard' ?

Sorry about 'Ozzy' - and, I know what a 'dunny' is.  :)

What is really nice is to use these resources embedded in RR stacks
in sections (meaning the movie file is 'chopped up' into sections)
with comprehension questions and related vocab help on-screen
at the same time.

chris livermore wrote:
> hey, nice find Richard! (re: resources)
>
> Just to set you straight on our lingo:
> 'Cobber' is more British, never heard it here. It's Aussie, not 'Ozzy' 
> as we don't all talk like Ozzy Osbourne, except maybe after a few 
> schooners down the pub.
> For traveling here, a handy phrase is: Hey mate, ya know where tha 
> nearest dunny is?
>
> all the best
>
> chris
>
> On 13/05/2009, at 2:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> I have been using these video resources for over 3 years now:
>>
>> http://australianetwork.com/nexus/
>>
>> http://australianetwork.com/learningenglish/vodcast.htm
>>
>> http://australianetwork.com/englishbites/
>>
>> http://australianetwork.com/businessenglish/
>>
>> http://australianetwork.com/studyenglish/    -- this is absolutely 
>> excellent for IELTS prep students
>>
>> they all come with PDF transcripts, a lot with worksheets.
>>
>> e-mailing them, they informed me that outwith the
>> Asia-Pacific region it was perfectly OK to download these
>> video resources and distribute them on media as long
>> as it was done for FREE.
>>
>> Don't quote me on the above, contact them yourself and
>> ask.  :)
>>
>> As far as I can see, cobber, the only risk is that your students
>> might end up with Ozzy accents.  :)
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>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 03:16:24 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:16:24 +0300
Subject: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode (and fruit)
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905121817q4821a15cvcefd798eb840ee04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C62BF291.63B%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<481675287390.20090510001547@ahsoftware.net>	<4A06FF2F.4040202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A0703AC.3020601@gmail.com>	<4A070C15.8080806@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160905112140g72a60f4aw2707ada45ab0c5a4@mail.gmail.com>	<4A090E46.4030306@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905121817q4821a15cvcefd798eb840ee04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0A73C8.5070403@gmail.com>

I have restrained myself - for the moment, at least!  :)

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I cannot restrain myself
>>     
>> they should
>> be working overtime to set the masses free:
>> something they are certainly not doing by pumping buckets
>> of money into the "People's Republic" of China - the
>> PEOPLE being the last to see any of the money or
>> the benefits it could bring.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> If you don't like my right-wing politics,
>> reply in a civilised fashion.  :)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     
>
> It's not that I don't like our right-wing politics, or that I can't be
> civilised....but......Ahhhhg I must restrain myself......this is such a
> divisive topic and this List is not the place.
>
> Now press the Send button and go and read another Post.... move on there's
> nothing to Post here....
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>   



From tariel at mac.com  Wed May 13 04:28:30 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 04:28:30 -0400
Subject: Setting Image FileName to FTP vs HTTP
In-Reply-To: <20090513071638.5E37148AC8B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090513071638.5E37148AC8B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E19107ED-9F20-4162-B3BB-42B541BE6D17@mac.com>


On Tue, 12 May 2009 18:24:08 -1000 Jim Bufalini wrote


> Speed aside, if this project is something that is going to run on  
> anything
> but your own machine, you do know that anyone with a freely available
> sniffer can "see" the user name and password you are using?

> Jim Bufalini


Thanks Jim.
I'm receiving the digest and just got your tips.
For sniffers I hope to use https:// (assuming On-Rev supports that).   
Did not research this yet.

Tariel





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 05:21:27 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:21:27 +0300
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
Message-ID: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>

As computers and software come to be more and more central
to our lives, more and more decisions involving computer and
software deployment can be seen to be political rather than
'just' matters of money and ease of use.

While Kay C Lan, quite rightly, slapped me on the wrist for
dragging politics into a discussion about something else on
this Use-List, that will not prevent me making the above
observation.

Every decision we, as programmers, make has some sort of
political impact, and as such, needs to be thought about very
carefully.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 05:25:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:25:54 +0300
Subject: Sheets at the bottom and the sides?
Message-ID: <4A0A9222.3000503@gmail.com>

It is easy to open a substack as a sheet inside another stack.  The sheet
appears at the top of the parent stack as a drop-down dialogue box.

Is there a way to make the sheet appear at the bottom or at one of the sides
of the parent stack?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 05:39:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:39:00 +0300
Subject: Sheets and Drawers?
Message-ID: <4A0A9534.5040202@gmail.com>

I've just put this in a button:

on mouseUp
  drawer stack "QQQ" at left
end mouseUp

and, the substack "QQQ" pops out of the RIGHT side of the main stack
because there is insufficient screen real-estate on the LEFT.

Beyond putting something in preOpenStack to guarantee the main stack
is positioned so that the drawer pops out of the correct side when it is 
called
there must be a way to prevent this.

The problem can be seen clearly if one considers a screen resolution of 
800 x 600
and a main stack that is 640 x 480 with substacks that are 400 x 300 
that should be
called from either side of the main stack.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

One of the ways round this (apart from moving the main stack everytime
a drawer pops out - which is not satisfactory) would be to SHEET from 
the sides
of the main stack: i.e. the effect would be that of a drawer emerging 
from one
side of the main stack, but over the main stack rather than beside it.


From heather at runrev.com  Wed May 13 05:54:29 2009
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:54:29 +0100
Subject: On-Rev down?
In-Reply-To: <FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <2942DB83-43D0-4BC1-8240-4986BA6E589E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7C7C00E9-3228-4EE6-8361-BCABFB6E0C08@rcn.com>
	<58AE0B3B-DE94-4FA1-99E3-3272CAF2C1D0@free.fr>
	<FA1511E7-6687-4F36-860C-D75B6BD0FAD4@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0AE23EC8-950A-4D17-9818-5DD0C25B5202@runrev.com>

Dear List Folks,

While we appreciate your consideration in not raising an urgent ticket  
on this, our sys admin would like me to tell you, that actually he  
*wants* to get those calls! If your on-rev server is uncontactable,  
you should send an email to support at on-rev.com, with Urgent in the  
subject line. This will physically telephone our sys admin, 24/7. And  
yes, it will get through even if the on-rev servers are down, because  
the support system is on a separate server.

It does appear some glitch occurred last night, but because no-one  
actually raised an urgent ticket, we don't know what it was... it  
seems to have resolved itself quite quickly.

Warm Regards,

Heather


On 12 May 2009, at 23:22, Ian Wood wrote:

> Yes, back up again.
>
> Ian
>
> On 12 May 2009, at 23:16, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> Up again after 45 mn of interruption
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed May 13 08:23:08 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:23:08 +0100
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
In-Reply-To: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>
References: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>
Message-ID: <6077B719-F6E3-464F-A511-1B5DEB0CED06@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 12 May 2009, at 22:04, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> I tried:
>
>     get libUrlFtpCommand( pCmd, the uServer of me, the uUser of me,  
> the uPasswd of me )
>
> where pCmd is "LIST" or "NLIST" or "NLST" or "LS" and all yield  
> error messages.

I know you got an answer to how to get a directory listing. But just  
for information, libUrlFtpCommand only handles commands that use the  
ftp "command socket". While LIST and NLIST are initially sent over the  
command socket, to complete they require an additional "data socket"  
that handles the actual transfer of data. That in turn requires some  
further commands to be sent, as well as opening a data socket to read  
from. It quickly gets very messy. Best to use a simple "get url" for  
this.

Cheers
Dave




From tereza at califex.com  Wed May 13 09:44:37 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:44:37 -0500
Subject: LibURL Puzzlement
In-Reply-To: <6077B719-F6E3-464F-A511-1B5DEB0CED06@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7B0202A4-E8AC-4C1B-B63B-AA0200EF8F11@califex.com>
	<6077B719-F6E3-464F-A511-1B5DEB0CED06@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D524F35C-D634-45FE-86B7-AE6D94884C6C@califex.com>


On May 13, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

> On 12 May 2009, at 22:04, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>
>> I tried:
>>
>>    get libUrlFtpCommand( pCmd, the uServer of me, the uUser of me,  
>> the uPasswd of me )
>>
>> where pCmd is "LIST" or "NLIST" or "NLST" or "LS" and all yield  
>> error messages.
>
> I know you got an answer to how to get a directory listing. But just  
> for information, libUrlFtpCommand only handles commands that use the  
> ftp "command socket". While LIST and NLIST are initially sent over  
> the command socket, to complete they require an additional "data  
> socket" that handles the actual transfer of data. That in turn  
> requires some further commands to be sent, as well as opening a data  
> socket to read from. It quickly gets very messy. Best to use a  
> simple "get url" for this.
>

Thanks Dave -

I did look at the libURL scripts for guidance and decided to quickly  
and discretely to close it again. Yow! that's heavy-duty scripting!

Is there a website/example stack/discussion thread where I can get up  
to speed with ftp concepts presented in a way that jibes with the Rev  
context? My current project will be ftp-intensive. I've gotten into  
the habit of blithely saying, "Oh yes, Runtime Revolution can do  
that... and that... and that..." without admitting that I personally  
have never done any of it. Now I have to  perform and I find myself  
groping in the dark. Though I probably don't have to know anything  
about "command sockets" and "data sockets" to use libURL (that's what  
it's encapsulating, yes?), I'm just not comfortable unless I know  
what's really going on under the hood.

t




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Wed May 13 10:01:07 2009
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:01:07 +0200
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
Message-ID: <A69B7BEF-E906-4CF9-A9F2-5E4C258E1E94@laposte.net>

Hello,

How interrupt a repeat loop by a button ?
While a copy of a lot of files with rev, i want the user can cancel  
the copy.

  repeat for each line l in it
           if char 1 of l <> "." then
             put convertpath(tstack&"/"&l) into tpath1
             put convertpath(tlibrary&"/") into tpath2
             get shell("cp "&tpath1&&tpath2)
	end if
end repeat

Thanks.

From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed May 13 10:09:38 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:09:38 +0800
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Every decision we, as programmers, make has some sort of
> political impact, and as such, needs to be thought about very
> carefully.
>

Every decision? Like the choice of my background colour is going to have any
political connotation, who cares if it's red or blue. Ah then again, bad
example, what about green. No, seems like I'm jumping on the eco bandwagon.
Pink? No sexual orientation might be misconstrued. OK I'll just go with
boring old white. Ooops just lost the black and the youth vote. OK so
its....., I don't know ;-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed May 13 10:22:23 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:22:23 +0800
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <000001c9d384$0a867ea0$6073b546@stuart>
References: <000001c9d384$0a867ea0$6073b546@stuart>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905130722y1ad7aeadyd61803df7b79532c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Mark Stuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

>
> - The stack does have all 3 preOpenStack, openStack, and closeStack
> scripts.
> I haven't placed a breakpoint yet, but will try that tomorrow.


Yes, a breakpoint at the beginning of all three scripts should halt your
stack opening right at the start, if the other files open then it would
suggest something in the IDE is doing it. Obviously if they don't open, then
stepping through the scripts should eventually lead you to the point where
the trigger occurs.

I'm assuming that if you shutdown rev and double click on your app you get
the same behaviour?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 10:29:10 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:29:10 +0300
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>

Nothing like a good old reductio ad absurdam.  :)

No, obviously not background colours (mind you, if I made
the backgrounds for my content delivery programs for
pre-teens all pink somebody would probably start asking
some funny questions pretty soon), but:

Just had a painful conversation with a Bank of Scotland
representative to set up online banking; the fact that
the service representative, every time I said I work
with Mac and Linux told me "never mind, just use
Internet Explorer" cost me an extra 15 minutes of
international rates. Those 'silly' people have just lost
another customer who will be transferring his (very
small) savings to HSBC, who are 'cool' with all platforms,
including RISC OS 5.

3-4 years ago I produced a modest program for pre-High School
kids to bone up on their Bulgarian literature (this is what is
called 'a niche market'). Discs that contained standalones for
Debian-derivatives as well as Windows ones were returned
with complaints (the feeling was that because they had
Linux standalones on them, as well as Windows one this,
somehow meant they wouldn't work on Windows).

Both of the above are things that happened as a result of
software decisions; one by the HBOS and one by myself.

Now these may not be 'Political' in the sense of politics,
but they are political insofar as they affect other people,
marketing and so on.

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Every decision we, as programmers, make has some sort of
>> political impact, and as such, needs to be thought about very
>> carefully.
>>
>>     
>
> Every decision? Like the choice of my background colour is going to have any
> political connotation, who cares if it's red or blue. Ah then again, bad
> example, what about green. No, seems like I'm jumping on the eco bandwagon.
> Pink? No sexual orientation might be misconstrued. OK I'll just go with
> boring old white. Ooops just lost the black and the youth vote. OK so
> its....., I don't know ;-)
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed May 13 10:32:52 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:52 +0800
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <A69B7BEF-E906-4CF9-A9F2-5E4C258E1E94@laposte.net>
References: <A69B7BEF-E906-4CF9-A9F2-5E4C258E1E94@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905130732i27c62918uc2bab7d636bb29a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Ludovic Th?bault <
ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:

>
> How interrupt a repeat loop by a button ?
> While a copy of a lot of files with rev, i want the user can cancel the
> copy.
>

Maybe something like:

>
>  repeat for each line l in it

       if the optionKey is down then
             exit repeat
      else

>
>          if char 1 of l <> "." then
>            put convertpath(tstack&"/"&l) into tpath1
>            put convertpath(tlibrary&"/") into tpath2
>            get shell("cp "&tpath1&&tpath2)
>         end if


       end if

>
> end repeat
>
>
Check the Dictionary for optionKey and checkout See Also for other
possibilities.

HTH


From coiin at rcn.com  Wed May 13 10:41:26 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:41:26 -0400
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905130732i27c62918uc2bab7d636bb29a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A69B7BEF-E906-4CF9-A9F2-5E4C258E1E94@laposte.net>
	<f73a98160905130732i27c62918uc2bab7d636bb29a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ACE63A1-0CF5-4410-816B-C2A1394456B2@rcn.com>


On May 13, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

>
> Check the Dictionary for optionKey and checkout See Also for other
> possibilities.

My initial thought was a shiftkey check, but if you think about a less- 
than-power-user, instructions to say "hold down such and such key if  
the routine is taking too long" isn't as clear as a "Cancel" button  
would be.




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed May 13 10:41:59 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
Message-ID: <680877.11443.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Ludovic Th?bault <ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:

> From: Ludovic Th?bault <ludovic.thebault at laposte.net>
> Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:01 AM
> Hello,
> 
> How interrupt a repeat loop by a button ?
> While a copy of a lot of files with rev, i want the user
> can cancel the copy.
> 
>  repeat for each line l in it
>           if char 1 of l <> "." then
>             put convertpath(tstack&"/"&l)
> into tpath1
>             put convertpath(tlibrary&"/")
> into tpath2
>             get shell("cp
> "&tpath1&&tpath2)
> 	end if
> end repeat
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Hi Ludovic,

Change the repeat loop to something like this:
##
enable button "CancelCopy"
set the uInterrupted of me to false
repeat for each line l in it
  if char 1 of l <> "." then
    put convertpath(tstack&"/"&l) into tpath1
    put convertpath(tlibrary&"/") into tpath2
    get shell("cp "&tpath1&&tpath2)
  end if
  wait 0 milliseconds with messages
  if the uInterrupted of me then exit repeat
end repeat
disable button "CancelCopy"
##

Now set the script of your button "CancelCopy" to:
##
on mouseUp
  set the uInterrupted of button "CopyFiles" to true
end mouseUp
##

The 'wait with messages' inside your repeat loop will allow the engine to react to clicks on the button "CancelCopy"

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Wed May 13 10:48:11 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:48:11 -0400
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C63055EB.7B1%stephen@networkxfla.com>

LOL LOL LOL.

-Stephen cox


On 5/13/09 10:09 AM, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Every decision we, as programmers, make has some sort of
>> political impact, and as such, needs to be thought about very
>> carefully.
>> 
> 
> Every decision? Like the choice of my background colour is going to have any
> political connotation, who cares if it's red or blue. Ah then again, bad
> example, what about green. No, seems like I'm jumping on the eco bandwagon.
> Pink? No sexual orientation might be misconstrued. OK I'll just go with
> boring old white. Ooops just lost the black and the youth vote. OK so
> its....., I don't know ;-)
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Wed May 13 10:54:04 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:54:04 -0400
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C630574C.7B4%stephen@networkxfla.com>

No it's laziness. Windows is like 90% of the market. It's a pretty safe bet
that your customer will be running Windows. So companies IT departments were
lazy and wrote for IE only. Stupid, I know. It's the is the old way of
thinking. And it's changed.

With phones, the mac, and netbooks (running linux) on the rise companies are
scrambling to represent. Frankly any company that was stupid enough to
develop for IE only deserves what they get. The Bank of Scotland should lose
your business.



On 5/13/09 10:29 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Now these may not be 'Political' in the sense of politics,
> but they are political insofar as they affect other people,
> marketing and so on.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 13 10:54:29 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:54:29 -0500
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <000001c9d385$ffb9d650$6073b546@stuart>
References: <000001c9d385$ffb9d650$6073b546@stuart>
Message-ID: <4A0ADF25.6010400@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:

> In it I mention that the other stacks are opened with the stack I select to
> open.
> All this from once opening RunRev, and then selecting the File/Open Stack...
> menu option.
> And these 'other' stacks are in different folders, not all in the one place.
> I've looked at the Main Stack property of the Inspector and none are related
> to one another.

It doesn't matter where they are located or how they are opened. If the 
destroystack property is not true, they will not fully close. I'm 
betting this is the problem, since you say you made them all using Rev's 
default settings.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 13 11:05:39 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:05:39 -0500
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <000001c9d389$665a8b40$6073b546@stuart>
References: <000001c9d389$665a8b40$6073b546@stuart>
Message-ID: <4A0AE1C3.4050002@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:

> I open this stack:
> 
> ReadHTMLNotes.rev
> 
> and the following appear in the Application Browser: (all totally unrelated
> to the selected stack)

I think I misunderstood you. You're saying these stacks open without any 
direction to do so? None of your other scripts open them? That would be 
some other problem, for sure.

Are they installed as plugins?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Wed May 13 11:19:03 2009
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:19:03 +0200
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <680877.11443.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <680877.11443.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D5D6A7C8-A861-43B9-9B1D-B647EAA2A03A@laposte.net>


Le 13 mai 09 ? 16:41, Jan Schenkel a ?crit :

>
> Change the repeat loop to something like this:


Thanks !


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed May 13 11:39:14 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:39:14 -0400
Subject: Details on how to apps mac like?
In-Reply-To: <C62EC78E.707%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C62EC78E.707%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <9BE626C7-D7B5-4867-8D57-C17BA866F055@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 12, 2009, at 6:28 AM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> So far the only application I?ve found written in revolution that  
> looks like
> a native Mac app is ScreenSteps.  Granted, I haven?t looked long.  :)

The person who really has nice looking Mac-like apps is Ken Ray. I  
don't know that the app of his I've seen is publicly available but he  
does great work.

> Anyway my questions:
>
> How?d they created the icon bar? And I mean the area right below the  
> title
> bar of the window? I?ve been busting my head playing with  
> rectangles, but
> no.

I use a graphic with the backgroundpattern set to an image that has  
the gradient. With the new gradient feature in Rev I would just use a  
gradient though. Newer controls in ScreenSteps just use the gradient  
rather than images.

> And I assume the blue area on the left is also a rectangle with a
> background?

This is a data grid with the background color set.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed May 13 11:14:50 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:14:50 +0100
Subject: [OT] Not just because
Message-ID: <CE77B695-94DD-4F4F-8143-F4C31E955D00@anachreon.co.uk>

Seeing as it seems to be OT season, and I work in the office of  
stirring things up:

http://runbasic.com/

http://runbasicnet.com/

http://www.runbasic.com/seaside/go/runbasic? 
_s=hDedgqXdSCYDuTMh&_k=nFUdiyqV

Actually, I was looking into comparable options to On-Rev to see  
where the advantages/disadvantages would be, and I came across this  
Smalltalk based option.

Other than LISP based systems that only have a partial features set,  
this is all I can find that is 'similar'.

We've gone through Tilestack, wondering if anyone has seen RunBASIC.

Cheers,

Luis.




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May 13 11:53:01 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:53:01 +0200
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <CE77B695-94DD-4F4F-8143-F4C31E955D00@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <CE77B695-94DD-4F4F-8143-F4C31E955D00@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0C16B11C-D623-4AD2-8800-A8C0875C0ADC@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Luis,

If you're in a need for an "alternative", what's wrong with PHP (which  
isn't an alternative at all but rather the mainstream tool for server- 
side scripting)?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 13 mei 2009, at 17:14, Luis wrote:

> Seeing as it seems to be OT season, and I work in the office of  
> stirring things up:
>
> http://runbasic.com/
>
> http://runbasicnet.com/
>
> http://www.runbasic.com/seaside/go/runbasic?_s=hDedgqXdSCYDuTMh&_k=nFUdiyqV
>
> Actually, I was looking into comparable options to On-Rev to see  
> where the advantages/disadvantages would be, and I came across this  
> Smalltalk based option.
>
> Other than LISP based systems that only have a partial features set,  
> this is all I can find that is 'similar'.
>
> We've gone through Tilestack, wondering if anyone has seen RunBASIC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 13 12:18:54 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sarah, what a treasure!  [AKA mail attachments]
Message-ID: <23525118.post@talk.nabble.com>


Downloaded the smpt libraries.  Sent myself a mail.  Got there fine.  Sent
myself a mail with an attachment.  Went out fine, came back fine...and was
readable!

Folks, this is the answer.  No need to mess around in the murky depths of
nail, mail, mailx.  No need to rack your brains over the man pages for mutt. 
No need to install sendmail, or exim or whatever the flavor of the month on
mtas is.  Just head on over to troz, pick up the smtp librariy, and relax. 
Sarah has solved your problem!

Peter
-- 
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed May 13 12:23:40 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:23:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>

And this relates to US politics how exactly?

Judy

On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Just had a painful conversation with a Bank of Scotland
> representative to set up online banking; the fact that
> the service representative, every time I said I work
> with Mac and Linux told me "never mind, just use
> Internet Explorer" cost me an extra 15 minutes of
> international rates. Those 'silly' people have just lost
> another customer who will be transferring his (very
> small) savings to HSBC, who are 'cool' with all platforms,
> including RISC OS 5.
>
> 3-4 years ago I produced a modest program for pre-High School
> kids to bone up on their Bulgarian literature (this is what is
> called 'a niche market'). Discs that contained standalones for
> Debian-derivatives as well as Windows ones were returned
> with complaints (the feeling was that because they had
> Linux standalones on them, as well as Windows one this,
> somehow meant they wouldn't work on Windows).
>
> Both of the above are things that happened as a result of
> software decisions; one by the HBOS and one by myself.
>
> Now these may not be 'Political' in the sense of politics,
> but they are political insofar as they affect other people,
> marketing and so on.


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed May 13 12:27:44 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:27:44 +0100
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <0C16B11C-D623-4AD2-8800-A8C0875C0ADC@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CE77B695-94DD-4F4F-8143-F4C31E955D00@anachreon.co.uk>
	<0C16B11C-D623-4AD2-8800-A8C0875C0ADC@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <0C28C6B8-2B41-4072-A9B6-9537683549FA@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I didn't like PHP when I first went into it, plus some host apply  
restrictions to what functions you can call.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 13 May 2009, at 16:53, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Luis,
>
> If you're in a need for an "alternative", what's wrong with PHP  
> (which isn't an alternative at all but rather the mainstream tool  
> for server-side scripting)?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 13 mei 2009, at 17:14, Luis wrote:
>
>> Seeing as it seems to be OT season, and I work in the office of  
>> stirring things up:
>>
>> http://runbasic.com/
>>
>> http://runbasicnet.com/
>>
>> http://www.runbasic.com/seaside/go/runbasic? 
>> _s=hDedgqXdSCYDuTMh&_k=nFUdiyqV
>>
>> Actually, I was looking into comparable options to On-Rev to see  
>> where the advantages/disadvantages would be, and I came across  
>> this Smalltalk based option.
>>
>> Other than LISP based systems that only have a partial features  
>> set, this is all I can find that is 'similar'.
>>
>> We've gone through Tilestack, wondering if anyone has seen RunBASIC.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 13:05:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:05:47 +0300
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>

It doesn't; but not all of us live in a world that revolves around the USA.

Judy Perry wrote:
> And this relates to US politics how exactly?
>
> Judy
>
> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Just had a painful conversation with a Bank of Scotland
>> representative to set up online banking; the fact that
>> the service representative, every time I said I work
>> with Mac and Linux told me "never mind, just use
>> Internet Explorer" cost me an extra 15 minutes of
>> international rates. Those 'silly' people have just lost
>> another customer who will be transferring his (very
>> small) savings to HSBC, who are 'cool' with all platforms,
>> including RISC OS 5.
>>
>> 3-4 years ago I produced a modest program for pre-High School
>> kids to bone up on their Bulgarian literature (this is what is
>> called 'a niche market'). Discs that contained standalones for
>> Debian-derivatives as well as Windows ones were returned
>> with complaints (the feeling was that because they had
>> Linux standalones on them, as well as Windows one this,
>> somehow meant they wouldn't work on Windows).
>>
>> Both of the above are things that happened as a result of
>> software decisions; one by the HBOS and one by myself.
>>
>> Now these may not be 'Political' in the sense of politics,
>> but they are political insofar as they affect other people,
>> marketing and so on.
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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed May 13 13:51:36 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:51:36 -0500
Subject: Linux Cursors
Message-ID: <4A0B08A8.6000606@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Is there any way to force my standalone to not use the ugly hand cursor
and instead use the cursors provided by Gnome or KDE?

If not, are there any other requirements for the cursor image that you
can set?  I have a 32x32 color cursor that I have set as the
defaultCursor of my stack and it causes the Linux standalone to crash
immediately.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Wed May 13 14:06:26 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:06:26 -0700
Subject: How to remove leading and trailing spaces from a string?
In-Reply-To: <20090513071638.5E37148AC8B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090513071638.5E37148AC8B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A0B0C22.6060208@castandcrew.com>

Hola Jim,

Ok, mahalo.  That looks nice.  Thanks for the info.  Thanks also to 
someone else (Phil?) who sent that.   I'm using the trimWS function as I 
found it first and it's working great as is, so I don't figure on 
changing it.  However, more info, more options, more knowledge is 
better.  The trimWS  one line of code is nice too!   Da Kine. It does 
make sense to me, and I like regular expressions, use them with sed and 
VI, etc. ... been working on Unix systems for about 25 years now, so it 
didn't look mysterious or anything.

But again, I appreciate your kindness and aloha spirit in responding.

Gratefully,
Sadhu



>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:26:43 -1000
> From: "Jim Bufalini" <jim at visitrieve.com>
> Subject: RE: How to remove leading and trailing spaces from a string?
> To: "'How to use Revolution'" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <000d01c9d361$7e764b60$7b62e220$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Sadu,
>
> If it is just leading and trailing chars of the entire string of words or
> items or..., you can use:
>
> Put word 1 to -1 of tString into tString. 
>
> If it's a string of items use item 1 to -1...
>
> This removes spaces and other "non-word" chars before word 1 and after word
> -1. And it's quick.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>   
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 14:17:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:17:00 +0300
Subject: [OT] Website
Message-ID: <4A0B0E9C.7040900@gmail.com>

Have finally transferred my website here:

http://richmond.b0x.com/

for what its worth.  For people with a lot of free time on their
hands there is a link to my 1995 Master's Thesis in Cognitive Linguistics.
AND, for the record, you should be able to download the file without
joining the Yahoo group where it is stored. I will try to reset all
my Yahoo groups so that resources can be downloaded in this way.

At least in this way I can circumvent the old versu new revOnline problem
until I am the owner of a version of RR that can access the new version.

HOWEVER, that is not the point of this posting.

I was recommended a number of websites by members of
this Use-list - for which, a big Thank You! I am, confined to a free
website, however.

The most interesting suggestion was:

http://www.tripod.lycos.com/

when one clicks on the FREE option one is directed to a page that
just states this:

"402 Payment Required

This service requires payment, contact the server administrator to make 
arranements for
payment and have the service provisioned. You will need to provide the 
following information:

Your full name
Your email address
Contact Telephone number
Click your browser's back button to locate help for this service."

I have trawled through a further 20 services that are supposedly free, 
but, somewhere
along the line they ask for your Credit/Debit card details.

The free web-hosting I have ended up with haven't tried any financial 
trick on me, yet;
but FREE is as FREE does; no ZIP files and no PDF files. I am prepared 
to put up with those
restrictions for the ease and price of a free website.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed May 13 14:19:22 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>

So why mention it then?  I should think you'd like to get away from it.

Your comment was deliberately provocative and designed to insult 
(some) people.  Furthermore, it falls into this annoying elitist mindset 
that sometimes seems to occur elsewhere that, being free of stereotypes 
yourself, you still see fit to stereotype people who happen to live in the 
U.S.

Judy

On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> It doesn't; but not all of us live in a world that revolves around the USA.
>
> Judy Perry wrote:
>> And this relates to US politics how exactly?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 14:35:03 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:35:03 +0300
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com>

I'm extremely sorry.

However, what I do feel is that software programming involves politics; 
whether US politics, or politics elsewhere.

Now, my country, Britain, is also doing very nicely out of the situation 
in China.
Bulgaria is flooded with Chinese goods, and so on.

I do not believe that, in the long run, this strange dependence on China 
and its
exploitable labour market is doing anyone any good at all.

Having lived in the USA, I am well aware that there is a large diversity 
of opinions
there. However, what I do see is a business model (both there and 
elsewhere) that
is unsustainable and that props up an awful regime (China).

I mentioned the story with the Halifax Bank of Scotland and my own one 
as illustrative of
how decisions made about software can have unseen and unsuspected 
effects; some of
which can be described as Political (with a big P) and some as political 
(with a small p).

The previous story about a Chinese factory, while, initially told  as an 
illustration of how
daft some ways of doing things are, struck me as going rather further 
than that. Having
been aware of how communist (and other totalitarian) societies work and 
living among
a population who are deeply scarred by that sort of society I cannot 
help but see the same
thing happening in China; but in a more frightening way. Untll the 
collapse of the Berlin
wall the western countries, led by the USA, did its level best to make 
those regimes
collapse; which they did. Now I see those same western countries 
propping up an
extremely similar regime to feed its hunger for cheap consumer goods.

I am well aware that not all Americans think that the world revolves 
around their
country, but, having written a message about the political effects of 
software
decisions, to be answered with:

   "And this relates to US politics how exactly? "

what do you expect me to reply?

Judy Perry wrote:
> So why mention it then?  I should think you'd like to get away from it.
>
> Your comment was deliberately provocative and designed to insult 
> (some) people.  Furthermore, it falls into this annoying elitist 
> mindset that sometimes seems to occur elsewhere that, being free of 
> stereotypes yourself, you still see fit to stereotype people who 
> happen to live in the U.S.
>
> Judy
>
> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> It doesn't; but not all of us live in a world that revolves around 
>> the USA.
>>
>> Judy Perry wrote:
>>> And this relates to US politics how exactly?
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From coiin at rcn.com  Wed May 13 14:42:39 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:42:39 -0400
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <453D77EF-9117-4858-82D3-4625308835EE@rcn.com>


On May 13, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Now, my country, Britain, is also doing very nicely out of the  
> situation in China.
> Bulgaria is flooded with Chinese goods, and so on.

Last thing you want is a Bulgarian in a China shop.




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed May 13 15:00:19 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:00:19 -0700
Subject: Sheets at the bottom and the sides?
In-Reply-To: <4A0A9222.3000503@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9222.3000503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905131200m3525ecb9l9afd9bb627e7131@mail.gmail.com>

Try DRAWER instead.

drawer stack {[at] left | bottom | right} [{of | in} parentStack] [aligned
[to] {left | right | top | bottom | center}]

This of course only works on Macs, otherwise they're all modal dialogs
instead.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/13 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> It is easy to open a substack as a sheet inside another stack.  The sheet
> appears at the top of the parent stack as a drop-down dialogue box.
>
> Is there a way to make the sheet appear at the bottom or at one of the
> sides
> of the parent stack?
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May 13 15:01:50 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:01:50 -1000
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c9d3fd$45ed3550$d1c79ff0$@com>

I think there are OT postings that are appropriate for this list such as
software or websites or requests or announcements that, while not to do
directly with Rev, can be of use to list members. However, politics,
religion and ethnicity are not among these topics, and it's time for this
thread to be squelched before it gets out of hand. List mom?

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond Mathewson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:35 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: [OT] Politics and Programming
> 
> I'm extremely sorry.
> 
> However, what I do feel is that software programming involves politics;
> whether US politics, or politics elsewhere.
...



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed May 13 15:03:26 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:03:26 -0700
Subject: Sheets and Drawers?
In-Reply-To: <4A0A9534.5040202@gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9534.5040202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905131203s41c1fc06r79204b9b5ac98188@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/13 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

> I've just put this in a button:
>
> on mouseUp
>  drawer stack "QQQ" at left
> end mouseUp
>
> Beyond putting something in preOpenStack to guarantee the main stack
> is positioned so that the drawer pops out of the correct side when it is
> called
> there must be a way to prevent this.


Not really. I've been there with this. Maybe one shouldn't use this feature
with tiny screens. The OS is trying to look out for our best interests, I
guess.


>
> The problem can be seen clearly if one considers a screen resolution of 800
> x 600
> and a main stack that is 640 x 480 with substacks that are 400 x 300 that
> should be
> called from either side of the main stack.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> One of the ways round this (apart from moving the main stack everytime
> a drawer pops out - which is not satisfactory) would be to SHEET from the
> sides
> of the main stack: i.e. the effect would be that of a drawer emerging from
> one
> side of the main stack, but over the main stack rather than beside it.


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed May 13 15:06:27 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:06:27 +0200
Subject: [OT] Foreign journalism [was Politics and Programming]
In-Reply-To: <453D77EF-9117-4858-82D3-4625308835EE@rcn.com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com>
	<453D77EF-9117-4858-82D3-4625308835EE@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <CF578473-64F7-4F27-B9DD-173AFC20C095@mines-paristech.fr>

since this is going way OT, I seize the opportunity to ask if any of  
the respectable readers of this mailing list happen to read newspapers  
like France's Courrier International (which has "foreign" editions,  
BTW). The principle is that this newspaper does a rather heavy  
extensive review of titles in the international press, make a  
selection every week and translates the articles in french (or any  
relevant local language for 'foreign" editions). The coverage  is more  
or less equally shared between continents, which means that "number of  
pages on the americas" is similar to "number of pages on africa" etc..
I have read it for more than a dozen years and found it very  
stimulating.

As you can see on http://www.courrierinternational.com/ , the latest  
cover subject is the rise of women in India.

Cheers from Paris
	Fran?ois



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed May 13 15:10:40 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:10:40 -0700
Subject: Sheets at the bottom and the sides?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905131200m3525ecb9l9afd9bb627e7131@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0A9222.3000503@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70905131200m3525ecb9l9afd9bb627e7131@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0B1B30.8020005@comcast.net>

For a "sheet" effect inside the card window, I fake it using a group of 
buttons, fields and a background image and moving it on/off screen. You 
can slide it in from any side and works on all platforms.

Marty Knapp
>
> 2009/5/13 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>
>   
>> It is easy to open a substack as a sheet inside another stack.  The sheet
>> appears at the top of the parent stack as a drop-down dialogue box.
>>
>> Is there a way to make the sheet appear at the bottom or at one of the
>> sides
>> of the parent stack?



From heather at runrev.com  Wed May 13 15:14:39 2009
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:14:39 +0100
Subject: [OT] Politics and Programming
In-Reply-To: <002701c9d3fd$45ed3550$d1c79ff0$@com>
References: <4A0A9117.80607@gmail.com>	<f73a98160905130709w2e2d0b29ya6bca46e3aad0918@mail.gmail.com>	<4A0AD936.1040807@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905130922570.23087@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<4A0AFDEB.6010906@gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905131113310.27688@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<4A0B12D7.6030702@gmail.com> <002701c9d3fd$45ed3550$d1c79ff0$@com>
Message-ID: <A5478447-521A-41C4-A5EB-C2F463D5CFD8@runrev.com>

Guys! You know the score! I've said this again and again. This list  
is Not About Politics. Do not start threads even headed by "OT" about  
politics. Richmond, you have been warned that another offence would  
get you banned. I don't want to do it but I'm putting you on  
moderation for the time being.

Regards,

Heather

On May 13, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> I think there are OT postings that are appropriate for this list  
> such as
> software or websites or requests or announcements that, while not  
> to do
> directly with Rev, can be of use to list members. However, politics,
> religion and ethnicity are not among these topics, and it's time  
> for this
> thread to be squelched before it gets out of hand. List mom?
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond Mathewson
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:35 AM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Politics and Programming
>>
>> I'm extremely sorry.
>>
>> However, what I do feel is that software programming involves  
>> politics;
>> whether US politics, or politics elsewhere.
>>
> ...
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed May 13 15:42:13 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:42:13 -0700
Subject: [OT] Website
In-Reply-To: <4A0B0E9C.7040900@gmail.com>
References: <4A0B0E9C.7040900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905131242k3572391fu537cf34b45f6999c@mail.gmail.com>

I think you'll find that FREE hosting is always going to have a downside.
Tripod is one of the worst.
I make it a habit of avoiding such sites, as a user and visitor. They're
slow and crammed with ads. I woundn't want any client to see the cheesyness
that comes with such sites associated with my domain. When I was webmaster
for CSN, I would not link to free sites if they were bloated with ads.

Having a good quality paid web host costs very little, and the
competition is fierce.
Sometimes one can be 'penny foolish' in this regard. Hey, my BUSINESS is
hosted there....

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/13 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

>
> The most interesting suggestion was:
>
> http://www.tripod.lycos.com/
>
> when one clicks on the FREE option one is directed to a page that
> just states this:
>
> "402 Payment Required
>
>


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed May 13 16:39:14 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:39:14 +0200
Subject: Sheets at the bottom and the sides?
Message-ID: <4A0B2FF2.8060707@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed May, 2009, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathewson at gmail.com wrote:


> It is easy to open a substack as a sheet inside another stack.  The sheet
> appears at the top of the parent stack as a drop-down dialogue box.
>
> Is there a way to make the sheet appear at the bottom or at one of the 
> sides
> of the parent stack?

Check out my 6-years old stack "Drawers".

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/Drawers.zip>

Maybe you can make use of some of the ideas there; drawers can be 
started from any point of a stack and even in diagonal directions.

 From the comments of side "Tools and Samples for Development" of my website

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>:

"Demonstrates the use of "drawers" without using the new "drawer" 
command introduced in Revolution 2.1.2. Therefore these forms of drawers 
can be implemented also with older versions of Metacard and Revolution 
and on any platform. Drawers can slide out and back at any point of the 
rectangle of the main stack and even in diagonal directions."


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Wed May 13 19:22:26 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:22:26 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C96@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Jacque:
>>>
You're saying these stacks open without any direction to do so?
Are they installed as plugins?
<<<

Correct in that these stacks have not been directed to open by a script
or a menu option to open them.
None of the other stacks are plugins.
This is the most unusual aspect of this whole thing.

I just reproduced the issue again. Here are the steps I took:
1) open RunRev.
2) File/Open Stack... select a stack. Stack opens.
3) open Application Browser. One stack listed, the one I just opened.
Close Application Browser.
4) In Edit mode, click on a push button and right-click/Edit Script. 
5) Script editor opens. I close it.
6) open Application Browser.

There are now 3 stacks listed. The selected stack and 2 others I've
created in the past.
None of these stacks are related to one another.
None of these stacks use 'start using...' in a script.
None of these stacks 'mainStack' property reference another stack that
has been mysteriously opened.

Using the 'Close and Remove From Memory' menu option does close each of
the unwanted stacks and removes the stacks from the Application Browser
list. I'm left with the stack I selected.

--
Puzzled :(
Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From jim at visitrieve.com  Wed May 13 19:29:53 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:29:53 -1000
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C96@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C96@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c9d422$b8860fe0$29922fa0$@com>

To continue with the 20-questins... Which editor are you using? What version
or Rev? Have you tried once all the stacks are open to search all open
stacks and their sub stacks for *stack "contactList* (or actual name of an
unintentionally opened stack - with the quote but without the asterisks)?.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stuart
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:22 PM
> To: use-revolution at runrev.com
> Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
> 
> Written by Jacque:
> >>>
> You're saying these stacks open without any direction to do so?
> Are they installed as plugins?
> <<<
> 
> Correct in that these stacks have not been directed to open by a script
> or a menu option to open them.
> None of the other stacks are plugins.
> This is the most unusual aspect of this whole thing.
> 
> I just reproduced the issue again. Here are the steps I took:
> 1) open RunRev.
> 2) File/Open Stack... select a stack. Stack opens.
> 3) open Application Browser. One stack listed, the one I just opened.
> Close Application Browser.
> 4) In Edit mode, click on a push button and right-click/Edit Script.
> 5) Script editor opens. I close it.
> 6) open Application Browser.
> 
> There are now 3 stacks listed. The selected stack and 2 others I've
> created in the past.
> None of these stacks are related to one another.
> None of these stacks use 'start using...' in a script.
> None of these stacks 'mainStack' property reference another stack that
> has been mysteriously opened.
> 
> Using the 'Close and Remove From Memory' menu option does close each of
> the unwanted stacks and removes the stacks from the Application Browser
> list. I'm left with the stack I selected.
> 
> --
> Puzzled :(
> Mark Stuart
> 
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From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Wed May 13 19:48:37 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:48:37 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C97@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi Jim,
Everything in my RunRev IDE is RunRev only. No 3rd party add ons.
No plugins are referenced or used (that I know of, that I've purposely
selected)
RunRev: 3.5.0-gm-2 Build 870

For searching, are you suggesting 'Edit/Find and Replace...'?
If so, then I've searched on:
In option: 'All open stacks' and 'All open stack files'
- the stack name, 0 objects found
- button name, 0 objects found
- other objects that I know exist, 0 objects found
Check boxes checked: Name, Script, Field Text, Button Text, All Other

This is the first time I've used this and so not sure what to expect.
No success on this one.

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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Wed May 13 21:30:51 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:30:51 -0400
Subject: [OT] Website
In-Reply-To: <4A0B0E9C.7040900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C630EC8B.7F0%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Take a look at Squarespace @ http://www.squarespace.com/

Starts at 8 dollars a month. It's a kick ass service. Has the best CSS
implementation I've ever seen. You design your whole site at their site by
moving pieces around the sreen. And it's all done in a browser.

It's also compatible with everything. So there is no data lock with these
guys. I've turned lot on to them and not heard a bad thing yet.

Free usually means crap. Every free service I've seen either has ads, forces
you to add a link-farm page, or has such low/slow designed to get you to pay
for better. Not worth the trouble when you can get something like
Squarespace for so little.


On 5/13/09 2:17 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have finally transferred my website here:
> 
> http://richmond.b0x.com/
> 
> for what its worth.  For people with a lot of free time on their
> hands there is a link to my 1995 Master's Thesis in Cognitive Linguistics.
> AND, for the record, you should be able to download the file without
> joining the Yahoo group where it is stored. I will try to reset all
> my Yahoo groups so that resources can be downloaded in this way.
> 
> At least in this way I can circumvent the old versu new revOnline problem
> until I am the owner of a version of RR that can access the new version.
> 
> HOWEVER, that is not the point of this posting.
> 
> I was recommended a number of websites by members of
> this Use-list - for which, a big Thank You! I am, confined to a free
> website, however.
> 
> The most interesting suggestion was:
> 
> http://www.tripod.lycos.com/
> 
> when one clicks on the FREE option one is directed to a page that
> just states this:
> 
> "402 Payment Required
> 
> This service requires payment, contact the server administrator to make
> arranements for
> payment and have the service provisioned. You will need to provide the
> following information:
> 
> Your full name
> Your email address
> Contact Telephone number
> Click your browser's back button to locate help for this service."
> 
> I have trawled through a further 20 services that are supposedly free,
> but, somewhere
> along the line they ask for your Credit/Debit card details.
> 
> The free web-hosting I have ended up with haven't tried any financial
> trick on me, yet;
> but FREE is as FREE does; no ZIP files and no PDF files. I am prepared
> to put up with those
> restrictions for the ease and price of a free website.
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From jhj at jhj.com  Wed May 13 22:16:29 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:16:29 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <011e01c9d347$e1b2f3f0$a518dbd0$@com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<6646BFB0-C592-466B-920B-2A2ED16CD93F@jhj.com>
	<011e01c9d347$e1b2f3f0$a518dbd0$@com>
Message-ID: <F6F2D863-24E6-4E3B-946E-C03FA93DDC96@jhj.com>

On May 12, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> What I think is really significant about what Jerry did is that it
> demonstrates how because numbers in Rev are really "strings" that  
> you can
> perform math calculations on, and ability to interchangeably treat a  
> chunk
> as numeric or string (due to the lack of typing), Rev is able to  
> transcend
> the limitations of the math processor of a machine!

That really is the whole point, and Mark Wieder and Brian Yennie also  
solved it that way. I had a long commute today and I was thinking  
about how the inner loop had to go backwards, and the answers had to  
be created by stuffing chars before strings. So, in order to use  
repeat for each, and to stuff chars after the strings (which is  
usually faster), I figure why not have the numbers all backwards (LSD  
first) and then just reverse the answer once at the end? Well it does  
speed things up a little. Into your message box:
go URL "http://jhjensen.com/calcFibsBack.rev"

However, its even more confusing to read and figure out what's going  
on. I think, actually, if this was production code, I'd leave it  
forwards in case I ever had to modify it. That is one big advantage of  
Rev, after all. If all I cared about was speed, I'd write it in C.

I promise I'll leave it alone now. 8-)

-- Jerry J



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Wed May 13 22:57:38 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:57:38 -0400
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <0C28C6B8-2B41-4072-A9B6-9537683549FA@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C63100E2.7F4%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Why not a few examples of languages that you can also use to write off line
apps too. Like Python or Ruby? Both are used on the web (Rails, Django,
Zope, Merb - to name a few). And both are used to write cross platform apps,
even gui's using something like Qt.

Also Java. And Realbasic has Yuma. Not to mention all the .Net solutions.
And Silverlight and Flex (though I hate, HATE Action Script 3.0).

What makes OnRev unique is the language. Nothing else really. In fact
considering the amount of 3rd party support for Ruby, Python and .Net you
are at a disadvantage using OnRev. Being that you have to reinvent the
wheel. 

Course this is true with off line apps as well. I like Revolution but it has
a VERY small 3rd party plug-in community. And a backward UI, compared to the
rest. What's kept it on my machine so far is the language. In fact we just
bought another copy.


On 5/13/09 12:27 PM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:

> Hiya,
> 
> I didn't like PHP when I first went into it, plus some host apply
> restrictions to what functions you can call.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2009, at 16:53, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
>> Hi Luis,
>> 
>> If you're in a need for an "alternative", what's wrong with PHP
>> (which isn't an alternative at all but rather the mainstream tool
>> for server-side scripting)?
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> 
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>> http://www.salery.biz
>> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>> 
>> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
>> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>> 
>> On 13 mei 2009, at 17:14, Luis wrote:
>> 
>>> Seeing as it seems to be OT season, and I work in the office of
>>> stirring things up:
>>> 
>>> http://runbasic.com/
>>> 
>>> http://runbasicnet.com/
>>> 
>>> http://www.runbasic.com/seaside/go/runbasic?
>>> _s=hDedgqXdSCYDuTMh&_k=nFUdiyqV
>>> 
>>> Actually, I was looking into comparable options to On-Rev to see
>>> where the advantages/disadvantages would be, and I came across
>>> this Smalltalk based option.
>>> 
>>> Other than LISP based systems that only have a partial features
>>> set, this is all I can find that is 'similar'.
>>> 
>>> We've gone through Tilestack, wondering if anyone has seen RunBASIC.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Luis.
>> 
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Wed May 13 23:00:54 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:00:54 -0400
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <A69B7BEF-E906-4CF9-A9F2-5E4C258E1E94@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <C63101A6.7F6%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Why not just set a global variable and check it in the loop? Have the cancel
button set the variable to True when pressed.


On 5/13/09 10:01 AM, "Ludovic Th?bault" <ludovic.thebault at laposte.net>
wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> How interrupt a repeat loop by a button ?
> While a copy of a lot of files with rev, i want the user can cancel
> the copy.
> 
>   repeat for each line l in it
>            if char 1 of l <> "." then
>              put convertpath(tstack&"/"&l) into tpath1
>              put convertpath(tlibrary&"/") into tpath2
>              get shell("cp "&tpath1&&tpath2)
> end if
> end repeat
> 
> Thanks.
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From coiin at rcn.com  Wed May 13 23:08:43 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:08:43 -0400
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <C63101A6.7F6%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C63101A6.7F6%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>


On May 13, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Why not just set a global variable and check it in the loop? Have  
> the cancel
> button set the variable to True when pressed.


You would be in a tight repeat loop at the time, so would mouseups on  
other objects even work?




From stephen at networkxfla.com  Wed May 13 23:31:59 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:31:59 -0400
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a while to
complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background.

User presses cancel button, setting the global variable to True

In the loop, last statement checks the variable (it's global so the code
will see it).  If True, exit (or whatever cleanup he has, then exit).


On 5/13/09 11:08 PM, "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:

> 
> On May 13, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
> 
>> Why not just set a global variable and check it in the loop? Have
>> the cancel
>> button set the variable to True when pressed.
> 
> 
> You would be in a tight repeat loop at the time, so would mouseups on
> other objects even work?
> 
> 
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From coiin at rcn.com  Wed May 13 23:44:04 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:44:04 -0400
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <D1F3E829-6956-4357-B3EE-B1045080BB33@rcn.com>


On May 13, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a  
> while to
> complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background.


His example code showed it as a tight repeat. Someone else suggested  
changing it to a background task.




From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May 14 00:23:31 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:23:31 -1000
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>

Guys, look at Jan's example. Setting a "global" is in essence exactly what
she is suggesting. She's just not using a "global" var, per say, but a
custom property called *uInterrupted* which in this case is the same thing
(maybe not obvious unless you know that starting a var name with "u" is a
naming convention for "user" custom property - starting with "c" means the
name of a custom property set. So cMyCustomPropertySet["uMyPropertry"] or,
using an existing default set just uMyProperty). She could have used a
global as in gInterrupted, but this would have to be declared. A custom
property is created on-the-fly and requires no declaration.

In answer to the question of will the key press be recognized during a tight
loop? The answer is yes because notice she also has *wait 0 milliseconds
with messages* which as she already pointed out turns processing over to the
engine for things like key presses and mouse moves during tight repeat
loops. This means it keeps your GUI responsive. Otherwise, a tight repeat
loop would be blocking. So AFAIK, her answer is the best answer. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Cox
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:32 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button
> 
> Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a while
> to
> complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background.
> 
> User presses cancel button, setting the global variable to True
> 
> In the loop, last statement checks the variable (it's global so the
> code
> will see it).  If True, exit (or whatever cleanup he has, then exit).
> 
> 
> On 5/13/09 11:08 PM, "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On May 13, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
> >
> >> Why not just set a global variable and check it in the loop? Have
> >> the cancel
> >> button set the variable to True when pressed.
> >
> >
> > You would be in a tight repeat loop at the time, so would mouseups on
> > other objects even work?
> >
> >
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 14 00:31:53 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:31:53 -0700
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <C630ECC9.418E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a while to
> complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background.

Revolution doesn't process events asynchronously.  During a straightforward
repeat loop, nothing gets processed or sent while the loop executes, so a
mouseclick would never be detected.  You need to make allowances in the
script for this to happen.  There are a few ways this could be done:

You could poll the mouse: "if the mouse is down...".  This practice has been
discouraged in the past because it was deemed in efficient and somewhat
unreliable, but with recent versions of Rev and newer machines, it can work.

You could add a "wait" command: "wait 10 millisecs with messages".  The
"with messages" portion allows messages and events to be processed in
between the loops.  Here's where a global, custom property, or other
variable could be checked.

Another way entirely to run a loop is using "send in...":

on myProcessingLoop
  doMyStuff
  send "myProcessingLoop" to me in 10 millisecs
end myProcessingLoop

This method inherently allows for other events/messages to be processed.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 00:44:25 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:44:25 -0500
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
Message-ID: <4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Guys, look at Jan's example. Setting a "global" is in essence exactly what
> she is suggesting.

Um. Jan's a guy. :) Don't feel bad, most of us USians made the same 
assumption at one time or another.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May 14 00:55:11 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:55:11 -1000
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>

Jacque wrote:
> Um. Jan's a guy. :) Don't feel bad, most of us USians made the same
> assumption at one time or another.

LOL. How embarrassing! ;-) This is the second time I've made that mistake
with someone. In the other instance I actually corresponded off-list with
"her" only to be corrected during a group chat that she was a he. 

And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now propose we have a
user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or female. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From stephen at networkxfla.com  Thu May 14 01:06:22 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:06:22 -0400
Subject: Cancel a repeat with a button
In-Reply-To: <C630ECC9.418E4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C6311F0E.802%stephen@networkxfla.com>

I was close. ;)

I knew about the wait command.


On 5/14/09 12:31 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Stephen Cox wrote:
> 
>> Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a while to
>> complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background.
> 
> Revolution doesn't process events asynchronously.  During a straightforward
> repeat loop, nothing gets processed or sent while the loop executes, so a
> mouseclick would never be detected.  You need to make allowances in the
> script for this to happen.  There are a few ways this could be done:
> 
> You could poll the mouse: "if the mouse is down...".  This practice has been
> discouraged in the past because it was deemed in efficient and somewhat
> unreliable, but with recent versions of Rev and newer machines, it can work.
> 
> You could add a "wait" command: "wait 10 millisecs with messages".  The
> "with messages" portion allows messages and events to be processed in
> between the loops.  Here's where a global, custom property, or other
> variable could be checked.
> 
> Another way entirely to run a loop is using "send in...":
> 
> on myProcessingLoop
>   doMyStuff
>   send "myProcessingLoop" to me in 10 millisecs
> end myProcessingLoop
> 
> This method inherently allows for other events/messages to be processed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 14 01:37:09 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:37:09 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C96@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79C96@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <1172014972671.20090513223709@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:22:26 PM, you wrote:

> I just reproduced the issue again. Here are the steps I took:
> 1) open RunRev.
> 2) File/Open Stack... select a stack. Stack opens.
> 3) open Application Browser. One stack listed, the one I just opened.
> Close Application Browser.
> 4) In Edit mode, click on a push button and right-click/Edit Script.
> 5) Script editor opens. I close it.
> 6) open Application Browser.

If you were running glx2 then I'd say you had "Restore Last Session on
Startup" selected in the preferences, but since you're not it's a bit
of a mystery. AFAIK the ide's script editor doesn't have a preference
like that.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mickclns at mac.com  Thu May 14 01:57:15 2009
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:57:15 -0400
Subject: Sheets and Drawers?
In-Reply-To: <20090514045557.8BE6F48ACE8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090514045557.8BE6F48ACE8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A6AEF35E-FC40-4EE7-8893-0EC475464E64@mac.com>

You take off your drawers before getting under the sheets  ;-Q


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu May 14 03:06:24 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 03:06:24 -0400
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
Message-ID: <2EAD6246-FB55-4238-87A4-B15D00FC7DFF@wehostmacs.com>

on mouseUp
   constant kData  = "M"
   constant k32    = 4294967296
   constant kPrime = 16777619
   local tHash     = 2166136261

   repeat for each byte tByte in kData
     put (tHash * kPrime) MOD k32 into tHash
     put tHash bitXor byteToNum(tByte) into tHash
   end repeat

   put format("%08s", baseConvert(tHash, 10, 16))
end mouseUp


gives me 0x050C5D6D
yet _EVERY_ program I use to compute the FNV1-32 hash gives me  
0x050C5D52 for the answer

The math is simple yet it is not giving the correct answer and I have  
wasted the last two and a half days on this.. *sigh*


http://isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/fnv/


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May 14 05:01:53 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:01:53 +0100
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <C63100E2.7F4%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C63100E2.7F4%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <D2931395-FADD-4322-986E-241EB7994939@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Good point on the other languages, but in the 'use' cases I want to  
cover (clients that want something similar to Rev/On-Rev without the  
same expenditure) then RunBASIC seemed to cover similar ground. I  
have trawled their forums and was wondering if anyone here had  
experience of it.

The language aspect, as in simple and 'clear' is also a factor.  
Pyhton was looked at, but the standalone generation in something like  
dabodev.com (another candidate looked at) is still not feature or  
platform complete.

Your mention of 3rd party support triggered a thought: What would it  
take to create a Rev plugin ('connector') to handle foreign language  
libraries?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 14 May 2009, at 03:57, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Why not a few examples of languages that you can also use to write  
> off line
> apps too. Like Python or Ruby? Both are used on the web (Rails,  
> Django,
> Zope, Merb - to name a few). And both are used to write cross  
> platform apps,
> even gui's using something like Qt.
>
> Also Java. And Realbasic has Yuma. Not to mention all the .Net  
> solutions.
> And Silverlight and Flex (though I hate, HATE Action Script 3.0).
>
> What makes OnRev unique is the language. Nothing else really. In fact
> considering the amount of 3rd party support for Ruby, Python  
> and .Net you
> are at a disadvantage using OnRev. Being that you have to reinvent the
> wheel.
>
> Course this is true with off line apps as well. I like Revolution  
> but it has
> a VERY small 3rd party plug-in community. And a backward UI,  
> compared to the
> rest. What's kept it on my machine so far is the language. In fact  
> we just
> bought another copy.
>
>
> On 5/13/09 12:27 PM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> I didn't like PHP when I first went into it, plus some host apply
>> restrictions to what functions you can call.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> On 13 May 2009, at 16:53, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luis,
>>>
>>> If you're in a need for an "alternative", what's wrong with PHP
>>> (which isn't an alternative at all but rather the mainstream tool
>>> for server-side scripting)?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> http://www.salery.biz
>>> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>>>
>>> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
>>> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>>>
>>> On 13 mei 2009, at 17:14, Luis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seeing as it seems to be OT season, and I work in the office of
>>>> stirring things up:
>>>>
>>>> http://runbasic.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://runbasicnet.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.runbasic.com/seaside/go/runbasic?
>>>> _s=hDedgqXdSCYDuTMh&_k=nFUdiyqV
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I was looking into comparable options to On-Rev to see
>>>> where the advantages/disadvantages would be, and I came across
>>>> this Smalltalk based option.
>>>>
>>>> Other than LISP based systems that only have a partial features
>>>> set, this is all I can find that is 'similar'.
>>>>
>>>> We've gone through Tilestack, wondering if anyone has seen  
>>>> RunBASIC.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Luis.
>>>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May 14 05:10:49 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:10:49 +0100
Subject: [OT] Website
In-Reply-To: <4A0B0E9C.7040900@gmail.com>
References: <4A0B0E9C.7040900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ADB4FD8-76CE-4D5E-AB06-07926A839002@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Can't get the file on Cognitive Linguistics...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 13 May 2009, at 19:17, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Have finally transferred my website here:
>
> http://richmond.b0x.com/
>
> for what its worth.  For people with a lot of free time on their
> hands there is a link to my 1995 Master's Thesis in Cognitive  
> Linguistics.
> AND, for the record, you should be able to download the file without
> joining the Yahoo group where it is stored. I will try to reset all
> my Yahoo groups so that resources can be downloaded in this way.
>
> At least in this way I can circumvent the old versu new revOnline  
> problem
> until I am the owner of a version of RR that can access the new  
> version.
>
> HOWEVER, that is not the point of this posting.
>
> I was recommended a number of websites by members of
> this Use-list - for which, a big Thank You! I am, confined to a free
> website, however.
>
> The most interesting suggestion was:
>
> http://www.tripod.lycos.com/
>
> when one clicks on the FREE option one is directed to a page that
> just states this:
>
> "402 Payment Required
>
> This service requires payment, contact the server administrator to  
> make arranements for
> payment and have the service provisioned. You will need to provide  
> the following information:
>
> Your full name
> Your email address
> Contact Telephone number
> Click your browser's back button to locate help for this service."
>
> I have trawled through a further 20 services that are supposedly  
> free, but, somewhere
> along the line they ask for your Credit/Debit card details.
>
> The free web-hosting I have ended up with haven't tried any  
> financial trick on me, yet;
> but FREE is as FREE does; no ZIP files and no PDF files. I am  
> prepared to put up with those
> restrictions for the ease and price of a free website.
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From mcdomi at free.fr  Thu May 14 06:06:10 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:06:10 +0200
Subject: on-rev invalid certificate?
Message-ID: <1izpfwm.9qxi6c1c70mhkM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Hi!
I am posting here, not knowing there exists an "on-rev" miling list
(if so, tell it to me :-))

So, I took the plunge for on-rev :-)
And, as I am a total noob about managing a web host, I have some
questions!

First: why is Mac Mail.app complaining about an "invalid" certificate
for "mail.medard.on-rev.com)?
[my domain is named "medard"]

I had to specifically authorize this certificate, as it claims that
there is a discordance with the host name!

Dom, not dumm ;-)



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu May 14 06:18:45 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:18:45 +0200
Subject: on-rev invalid certificate?
In-Reply-To: <1izpfwm.9qxi6c1c70mhkM%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1izpfwm.9qxi6c1c70mhkM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <ADCD998F-F215-40C3-99A1-EF1238E0B2F6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Dom,

Probably, the host address for the certificate is on-rev.com and not  
medard.on-rev.com. Can't you just use mail.on-rev.com?

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On 14 mei 2009, at 12:06, Dom wrote:

> Hi!
> I am posting here, not knowing there exists an "on-rev" miling list
> (if so, tell it to me :-))
>
> So, I took the plunge for on-rev :-)
> And, as I am a total noob about managing a web host, I have some
> questions!
>
> First: why is Mac Mail.app complaining about an "invalid" certificate
> for "mail.medard.on-rev.com)?
> [my domain is named "medard"]
>
> I had to specifically authorize this certificate, as it claims that
> there is a discordance with the host name!
>
> Dom, not dumm ;-)



From mcdomi at free.fr  Thu May 14 07:03:35 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:03:35 +0200
Subject: on-rev invalid certificate?
In-Reply-To: <ADCD998F-F215-40C3-99A1-EF1238E0B2F6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1izpisp.khirhv17tn2ldM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Probably, the host address for the certificate is on-rev.com and not
> medard.on-rev.com. Can't you just use mail.on-rev.com?

Mmmmh... this is what is said in the docs, to use as mail server!



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu May 14 08:16:54 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:16:54 -0400
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
Message-ID: <45A00574-528E-42ED-8F4C-620FC0AD064F@wehostmacs.com>

Was doing some geeking with a friend in Finland and he wrote a Perl  
script that got the correct answer and then we discovered that Rev is  
not getting the correct answer for the multiplication.. Where is Rev  
getting the extra "1" from? I have written a 64-bit binary math  
library that gets the correct answer and will need to do further  
testing with it to see if I get the correct answers for all the tests.


Rev: 16777619 * 2166136261 = 36342608889142560

Perl: 16777619 * 2166136261 = 36342608889142559


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May 14 08:41:33 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 02:41:33 -1000
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
In-Reply-To: <45A00574-528E-42ED-8F4C-620FC0AD064F@wehostmacs.com>
References: <45A00574-528E-42ED-8F4C-620FC0AD064F@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <004601c9d491$50b38ae0$f21aa0a0$@com>

Shao Sean wrote:

> Was doing some geeking with a friend in Finland and he wrote a Perl
> script that got the correct answer and then we discovered that Rev is
> not getting the correct answer for the multiplication.. Where is Rev
> getting the extra "1" from? I have written a 64-bit binary math
> library that gets the correct answer and will need to do further
> testing with it to see if I get the correct answers for all the tests.
> 
> 
> Rev: 16777619 * 2166136261 = 36342608889142560
> 
> Perl: 16777619 * 2166136261 = 36342608889142559

Is it the same thing we ran into using straight math in the scripting
competition that after 16 digits the 16th digit is rounded and you get zeros
after that? The answer is 17 digits long.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May 14 09:13:15 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:13:15 EDT
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
Message-ID: <d03.581c22e8.373d72eb@aol.com>

I am new at this, but "byte" is not native to rev, and you have not defined 
it.

Craig newman
In a message dated 5/14/09 3:06:49 AM, shaosean at wehostmacs.com writes:


> on mouseUp
> ?? constant kData? = "M"
> ?? constant k32? ? = 4294967296
> ?? constant kPrime = 16777619
> ?? local tHash? ?? = 2166136261
> 
> ?? repeat for each byte tByte in kData
> ? ?? put (tHash * kPrime) MOD k32 into tHash
> ? ?? put tHash bitXor byteToNum(tByte) into tHash
> ?? end repeat
> 
> ?? put format("%08s", baseConvert(tHash, 10, 16))
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> gives me 0x050C5D6D
> yet _EVERY_ program I use to compute the FNV1-32 hash gives me?
> 0x050C5D52 for the answer
> 
> The math is simple yet it is not giving the correct answer and I have?
> wasted the last two and a half days on this.. *sigh*
> 
> 
> http://isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/fnv/
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 09:21:44 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:21:44 +0200
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
In-Reply-To: <d03.581c22e8.373d72eb@aol.com>
References: <d03.581c22e8.373d72eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D229079A-488F-4865-939D-D33BB198038B@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Craig,

> I am new at this, but "byte" is not native to rev,

it is since Rev 3.0!

See the "Engine Change Log.txt" file in the Rev folder.

> and you have not defined it.

Nasty Sean :-D

> Craig newman

Best

Klaus

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http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May 14 09:25:53 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:25:53 EDT
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
Message-ID: <d3a.421a8816.373d75e1@aol.com>

Klaus.

I had no idea there was such a log. The dictionary needs to catch up.

Craig


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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 09:32:21 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:32:21 +0200
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
In-Reply-To: <d3a.421a8816.373d75e1@aol.com>
References: <d3a.421a8816.373d75e1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6F6E5C2F-F5DA-42A7-BE4A-C3237BEAF42A@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Craig,

> Klaus.
>
> I had no idea there was such a log.

well, I, personally, examine EVERY folder and file that gets installed  
on my HD ;-)
Prevents me from unwanted surprises.

> The dictionary needs to catch up.

Yep.

> Craig

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu May 14 10:01:40 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:01:40 -0400
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
Message-ID: <E86B44F8-3596-42EF-8F97-3E028EEC4DAE@wehostmacs.com>

I guess for the move towards better built-in unicode support they  
have added in the following features

byte (currently the same as character)
byteToNum = charToNum
numToByte = numToChar

If I remember correctly a byte will be a byte and a char can be a  
byte, or two bytes or three bytes depending on the character..


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 10:39:51 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:39:51 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
Message-ID: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I have  
the birthday.
The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to  
proceed? :-)

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu May 14 10:40:22 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:40:22 +0200
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
In-Reply-To: <E86B44F8-3596-42EF-8F97-3E028EEC4DAE@wehostmacs.com>
References: <E86B44F8-3596-42EF-8F97-3E028EEC4DAE@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <D38A74DC-3591-4AE0-AE65-EA20BDED1555@economy-x-talk.com>

Right, Sean, and I believe there is a *plan* to make "char" really  
refer to a character.

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http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
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On 14 mei 2009, at 16:01, Shao Sean wrote:

> I guess for the move towards better built-in unicode support they  
> have added in the following features
>
> byte (currently the same as character)
> byteToNum = charToNum
> numToByte = numToChar
>
> If I remember correctly a byte will be a byte and a char can be a  
> byte, or two bytes or three bytes depending on the character..




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 14 10:43:54 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:43:54 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <FF1EFBA5-84B4-4D28-AFD5-CD4467B8F90F@ezpzapps.com>


On May 14, 2009, at 4:39 PM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:

>
> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I  
> have the birthday.
> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to  
> proceed? :-)
>
> Thanks in advance!


A hint:  Mathematics.


sims

In the incubator now: AppBoot
http://appboot.wordpress.com/appboot_links/






From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 10:48:45 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:48:45 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <FF1EFBA5-84B4-4D28-AFD5-CD4467B8F90F@ezpzapps.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<FF1EFBA5-84B4-4D28-AFD5-CD4467B8F90F@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <9CE19BEA-3D92-432F-8FED-4D19191FBD79@major.on-rev.com>

Hi sims,

> On May 14, 2009, at 4:39 PM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I  
>> have the birthday.
>> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to  
>> proceed? :-)
>> Thanks in advance!
>
> A hint:  Mathematics.

Geeeeeeez, the cunning Jim stroke again :-)

Sorry, but I was always weak in mathematics...

> sims
>
> In the incubator now: AppBoot
> http://appboot.wordpress.com/appboot_links/

Best

Klaus

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 14 11:04:41 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:04:41 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <BA0E3524-6597-4635-BECF-5D96BCD271CC@ezpzapps.com>


On May 14, 2009, at 4:39 PM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:

> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I  
> have the birthday.
> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to  
> proceed? :-)

Ok, another suggestion.

Maybe: calculate how many days that it has been from the birthday  
seconds (Bday/86400) and divide by days in a year. Guess the next  
worry might be Leap Years. Hmmm.

sims

In the incubator now: AppBoot
http://appboot.wordpress.com/appboot_links/


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu May 14 11:05:19 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:05:19 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <966E4110-C29D-41CF-9430-94E0CA51414A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

Please test:

function age theDate
      set the useSystemDate to true
      convert theDate to dateItems
      put the date into myToday
      convert myToday to dateitems
      put item 1 of myToday - item 1 of theDate - 1 into myAge
      put item 1 of myToday into item 1 of theDate
      convert theDate to seconds
      if theDate < the seconds then add 1 to myAge
      return myAge
end age

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On 14 mei 2009, at 16:39, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I  
> have the birthday.
> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to  
> proceed? :-)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 11:17:58 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4A0C3626.6070309@hyperactivesw.com>

klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I have 
> the birthday.
> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to 
> proceed? :-)

My variation, if all you need is the year:

function getAge pDate
    put the date into tNow
    convert pDate to dateitems
    convert tNow to dateitems
    repeat with x = 1 to 3
       put item x of tNow - item x of pDate & comma after tAge
    end repeat
    if item 2 of tAge < 0 or item 3 of tAge < 0
    then subtract 1 from item 1 of tAge
    return item 1 of tAge
end getAge

Items 2 and 3 can return negative numbers. If you need to know the 
months and days too, then you'd need to loop backward through the 3 
items, subtracting from the preceding item if the number if negative.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu May 14 11:51:13 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:51:13 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CA9@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Mark Wieder on Thu May 14, 2009 - 00:37 AM CDT
>>>
If you were running glx2 then I'd say you had "Restore Last Session on
Startup" selected in the preferences, but since you're not it's a bit
of a mystery. AFAIK the ide's script editor doesn't have a preference
like that.
-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net
<<<

How can I see what RunRev is doing 'behind the scenes' when I take menu
actions in the IDE?
Adding 'breakpoint' to a script won't do the trick here, as I won't be
running a script, but using RunRev's IDE to take an action.
I'd like to see what is causing these other stacks to open.

So does anyone know of a WinXP utility that "sniffs" or watches to see
the calls being made by RunRev?
Maybe from that I can see why these stacks are opening.

If anyone has a better idea, please let me know, as I'm concerned about
the situation.

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 11:52:17 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:52:17 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
Message-ID: <4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:

> And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now propose we have a
> user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or female. ;-)

I used to use plain "Jacque" in my signature, and everyone thought I was 
a man, which is the primary reason I changed it to "Jacqueline". This 
was way back in the days of bulletin boards, before the web was 
invented, and it was interesting to see how people's responses changed 
when they found out I was female. At the time, women programmers were 
almost unheard of. I let them think I was male for almost a year before 
I dropped the bomb. The double-takes were amusing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 11:56:04 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:56:04 -0500
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CA9@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CA9@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4A0C3F14.3080707@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:
> How can I see what RunRev is doing 'behind the scenes' when I take menu
> actions in the IDE?

It isn't exactly what you're asking about, but try opening the Message 
Watcher and keep an eye out for any commands that open stacks.

BTW, I followed your recipe and couldn't reproduce the behavior so it 
seems likely it is limited to your setup. I've never seen the app 
browser do what you describe and we haven't had any reports of it in the 
tech queue.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 11:58:27 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:58:27 -0600
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4A0C3626.6070309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C3626.6070309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E9ABD60F-0375-439D-B95E-0823C55DEAC0@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 9:17 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I have
>> the birthday.
>> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to
>> proceed? :-)
>
> My variation, if all you need is the year:
>
> function getAge pDate
>    put the date into tNow
>    convert pDate to dateitems
>    convert tNow to dateitems
>    repeat with x = 1 to 3
>       put item x of tNow - item x of pDate & comma after tAge
>    end repeat
>    if item 2 of tAge < 0 or item 3 of tAge < 0

Shouldn't this be
      if item 2 of tAge < 0 OR (item 2 of tAge = 0 AND item 3 of tAge  
< 0)

Otherwise it returns the wrong age if the day of the month is less  
than the day of the month of the birthdate.

>    then subtract 1 from item 1 of tAge
>    return item 1 of tAge
> end getAge

Yours in math-challengedness,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobs at twft.com  Thu May 14 12:02:47 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:02:47 -0700
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>

My surprise at finding out you were not a man was due solely to the  
fact that I referred to you as "he" once on this list, and was  
promptly corrected by at least 5 people. :-)

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 14, 2009, at 8:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>> And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now propose  
>> we have a
>> user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or female. ;-)
>
> I used to use plain "Jacque" in my signature, and everyone thought I  
> was
> a man, which is the primary reason I changed it to "Jacqueline". This
> was way back in the days of bulletin boards, before the web was
> invented, and it was interesting to see how people's responses changed
> when they found out I was female. At the time, women programmers were
> almost unheard of. I let them think I was male for almost a year  
> before
> I dropped the bomb. The double-takes were amusing.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 12:04:00 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:04:00 -0600
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7F012CCA-458E-4A4B-BD59-125DAC51393E@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 9:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>> And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now propose  
>> we have a
>> user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or female. ;-)
>
> I used to use plain "Jacque" in my signature, and everyone thought I  
> was
> a man, which is the primary reason I changed it to "Jacqueline". This
> was way back in the days of bulletin boards, before the web was
> invented, and it was interesting to see how people's responses changed
> when they found out I was female. At the time, women programmers were
> almost unheard of. I let them think I was male for almost a year  
> before
> I dropped the bomb. The double-takes were amusing.

Deliciously evil!

"Jacque" Cousteau must be spinning in her grave. :-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobs at twft.com  Thu May 14 12:05:57 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:05:57 -0700
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>

Youd better be careful. The way Rev is calculating math these days,  
depending on your method, you might end up inferring a woman is 43 x 1  
to the 13th power. :-)

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On May 14, 2009, at 7:39 AM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I have
> the birthday.
> The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how to
> proceed? :-)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major.on-rev.com
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
>
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 12:06:59 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:06:59 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <966E4110-C29D-41CF-9430-94E0CA51414A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<966E4110-C29D-41CF-9430-94E0CA51414A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <D8ABD300-8000-4EEA-95F7-69AFA809C29D@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jaqueline and Mark,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> Please test:
>
> function age theDate
>     set the useSystemDate to true
>     convert theDate to dateItems
>     put the date into myToday
>     convert myToday to dateitems
>     put item 1 of myToday - item 1 of theDate - 1 into myAge
>     put item 1 of myToday into item 1 of theDate
>     convert theDate to seconds
>     if theDate < the seconds then add 1 to myAge
>     return myAge
> end age
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

Thanks a lot, that was what I was looking for :-)


Nest

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 12:13:44 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:13:44 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
Message-ID: <7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Bob,

> Youd better be careful. The way Rev is calculating math these days,  
> depending on your method, you might end up inferring a woman is 43 x  
> 1 to the 13th power. :-)

Don't worry, I am a gentleman by nature and always have this li'l  
function handy:

function le_chevalier tGender, tReal_age
   if tGender = "f" AND tReal_age > 39 then
      return 39
   else
     return tReal_age
end le_chevalier

:-D

> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu May 14 12:29:29 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:29:29 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <B51DFBD9-B81E-40E3-AEB6-484F05FF0E9B@numericable.com>

Sacha Guitry said :
"Une femme compte son ?ge de la mani?re suivante : trente sept,  
trente huit, trente neuf, trente dix, trente onze, trente douze, ..."
In english (?) : "A woman counting his age : thirty seven, thirty  
eight, thirty nine, thirty ten, thirty eleven, thirty twelve, ..."
:-)
Ren? from Paris

Le 14 mai 09 ? 18:13, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :

> Hi Bob,
>
>> Youd better be careful. The way Rev is calculating math these  
>> days, depending on your method, you might end up inferring a woman  
>> is 43 x 1 to the 13th power. :-)
>
> Don't worry, I am a gentleman by nature and always have this li'l  
> function handy:
>
> function le_chevalier tGender, tReal_age
>   if tGender = "f" AND tReal_age > 39 then
>      return 39
>   else
>     return tReal_age
> end le_chevalier
>
> :-D
>
>> Bob Sneidar
>> IT Manager
>> Logos Management
>> Calvary Chapel CM
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 12:33:40 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:40 -0500
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>

Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
>> Youd better be careful. The way Rev is calculating math these days, 
>> depending on your method, you might end up inferring a woman is 43 x 1 
>> to the 13th power. :-)
> 
> Don't worry, I am a gentleman by nature and always have this li'l 
> function handy:
> 
> function le_chevalier tGender, tReal_age
>   if tGender = "f" AND tReal_age > 39 then
>      return 39
>   else
>     return tReal_age
> end le_chevalier

LOL! Smart man. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu May 14 12:37:14 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:37:14 -0300
Subject: Scripting competition
In-Reply-To: <F6F2D863-24E6-4E3B-946E-C03FA93DDC96@jhj.com>
References: <20090512073222.52C9848B5EA@mail.runrev.com>
	<6646BFB0-C592-466B-920B-2A2ED16CD93F@jhj.com>
	<011e01c9d347$e1b2f3f0$a518dbd0$@com>
	<F6F2D863-24E6-4E3B-946E-C03FA93DDC96@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905140937i4a62d6fayab06d6dfb7a32fdc@mail.gmail.com>

I keep forgetting integer limits, not that I do much math in my
projects. Most of my math stuff was done as exercise in lisp or scheme
where I had no such problems.

Now that I am aware (Again) of such limits, I look forward for the
next competition, this time, my code will not overflow! (it will
indeed run so slowly that your clothes will come out of fashion by the
time it ends, but it will run)

:D

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>> What I think is really significant about what Jerry did is that it
>> demonstrates how because numbers in Rev are really "strings" that you can
>> perform math calculations on, and ability to interchangeably treat a chunk
>> as numeric or string (due to the lack of typing), Rev is able to transcend
>> the limitations of the math processor of a machine!
>
> That really is the whole point, and Mark Wieder and Brian Yennie also solved
> it that way. I had a long commute today and I was thinking about how the
> inner loop had to go backwards, and the answers had to be created by
> stuffing chars before strings. So, in order to use repeat for each, and to
> stuff chars after the strings (which is usually faster), I figure why not
> have the numbers all backwards (LSD first) and then just reverse the answer
> once at the end? Well it does speed things up a little. Into your message
> box:
> go URL "http://jhjensen.com/calcFibsBack.rev"
>
> However, its even more confusing to read and figure out what's going on. I
> think, actually, if this was production code, I'd leave it forwards in case
> I ever had to modify it. That is one big advantage of Rev, after all. If all
> I cared about was speed, I'd write it in C.
>
> I promise I'll leave it alone now. 8-)
>
> -- Jerry J
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 12:37:31 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:37:31 -0500
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <E9ABD60F-0375-439D-B95E-0823C55DEAC0@byu.edu>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<4A0C3626.6070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E9ABD60F-0375-439D-B95E-0823C55DEAC0@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0C48CB.7010307@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

>> function getAge pDate
>>    put the date into tNow
>>    convert pDate to dateitems
>>    convert tNow to dateitems
>>    repeat with x = 1 to 3
>>       put item x of tNow - item x of pDate & comma after tAge
>>    end repeat
>>    if item 2 of tAge < 0 or item 3 of tAge < 0
> 
> Shouldn't this be
>      if item 2 of tAge < 0 OR (item 2 of tAge = 0 AND item 3 of tAge < 0)
> 
> Otherwise it returns the wrong age if the day of the month is less than 
> the day of the month of the birthdate.
> 
>>    then subtract 1 from item 1 of tAge
>>    return item 1 of tAge
>> end getAge
> 

Good catch. Yes, it should be what you say. So much for quick solutions. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu May 14 12:38:19 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:38:19 -0700
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>

> > And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now 
> propose we 
> > have a user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or 
> > female. ;-)
> 
> I used to use plain "Jacque" in my signature, and everyone 
> thought I was a man, which is the primary reason I changed it 
> to "Jacqueline". This was way back in the days of bulletin 
> boards, before the web was invented, and it was interesting 
> to see how people's responses changed when they found out I 
> was female. At the time, women programmers were almost 
> unheard of. I let them think I was male for almost a year 
> before I dropped the bomb. The double-takes were amusing.

I completely understand :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From coiin at rcn.com  Thu May 14 12:40:00 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:40:00 -0400
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>


On May 14, 2009, at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> LOL! Smart man. :)

Are you sure he's a man? Also, he should have said:

function le_chevalier tGEner,tReal_age
   if tGender = "f" then return min(39,tReal_age)
   return tReal_age
end le_chevalier

no need for the AND or the ELSE parts.




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 14 12:44:28 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:44:28 +0200
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <1DCE8E01-6BD6-4888-9162-91FB5D82327F@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Colin,

> On May 14, 2009, at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> LOL! Smart man. :)
> Are you sure he's a man?

I just took a look, and yes, I am, Mr. Chauvi :D

> Also, he should have said:
>
> function le_chevalier tGEner,tReal_age
>  if tGender = "f" then return min(39,tReal_age)
>  return tReal_age
> end le_chevalier
>
> no need for the AND or the ELSE parts.

Phew, smartass ;-)


Best

Klaus (m, definitively!)

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 12:49:28 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:49:28 -0600
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <4A0C48CB.7010307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C3626.6070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E9ABD60F-0375-439D-B95E-0823C55DEAC0@byu.edu>
	<4A0C48CB.7010307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <199F4A72-A59C-4245-901A-F13B966BA1C5@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 10:37 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Good catch. Yes, it should be what you say. So much for quick  
> solutions. :)

Don't feel bad. My own attempt was a wash. I was using seconds to  
calculate the time from the beginning of the birth year to the  
birthdate, then comparing that to the beginning of the present year to  
the present date. It worked okay as long as the birthdate was > 1970  
(i.e., start of epoch for Unix). For birthdays before 1970 this method  
doesn't work exactly right. For example, my birthday is in 1956 and  
comparing the birthday to a similar date in this year I was always off  
by a day or two (probably due to leap years?) I was puzzling over this  
when Jacque's solution came up. I liked hers a lot better.

Here's my code in case anyone is interested:

function calcAge pBday
    put pBday into tBday
    convert tBday to dateitems
    put item 1 of tBday into tBirthYear
    convert tBday to seconds

    convert the date to dateitems
    put item 1 of it into tCurrYear
    put it into tCurrDate
    convert tCurrDate to seconds

    put tBirthYear,1,1,0,0,0,0 into tBirthYearStartSeconds
    convert tBirthYearStartSeconds to seconds
    get the result
    put tCurrYear,1,1,0,0,0,0 into tCurrYearStartSeconds
    convert tCurrYearStartSeconds to seconds

    if (tBDay - tBirthYearStartSeconds) <= (tCurrDate -  
tCurrYearStartSeconds) then
       return tCurrYear - tBirthYear
    else
       return tCurrYear - tBirthYear - 1 into fld "age"
    end if
end calcAge

Now we'll wait for Sarah R. to come on board and show us how it's  
really done!

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 12:58:40 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:58:40 -0700
Subject: Copy files between servers
Message-ID: <ADEA1125-4C87-4D99-B84E-30B575A2D154@yahoo.com>

Basic setup is
Rev stack running a send loop in Win 2003 Server
-1- a text file is written to the C:/temp/    folder

Rev stack running a send loop in OSX 10.5 Leopard
-2- the  C:/temp/  folder is mounted as a shared drive
thus has the path /Volumes/temp/  in the OSX Finder

Apache in OSX is serving pages in the /Users/username/Sites/  folder
The Rev stack in OSX can do RevCopy to the Sites/ folder

however, the permissions are set to 700  vs 644 and Apache cannot read  
them.
(note: the files to be 'copied' do not have the same file name since  
they are time stamped file names)

To do a shell("chmod") I think I will have to do SUDO, but since this  
is a continuous process, how would I handle the password?

I know that 'root' user is dangerous, and 'www' maybe as well.

Instead of using RevCopy,
Is there a way of setting the Apache permissions on the mounted C:/ 
temp/theseFilesOnly/ folder?
I don't know how to specify the mounted/shared drive for Apache.

Any tips or help would be appreciated.

PS.  For the files that are always named the same,
put url ("file:" & pathToSitesFolder & "filename.txt") works fine  
since the permissions have been set to 644.
It is just the new filenames on C:/temp/  that the permissions need to  
be changed.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 13:02:30 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:02:30 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> My surprise at finding out you were not a man was due solely to the fact 
> that I referred to you as "he" once on this list, and was promptly 
> corrected by at least 5 people. :-)

It gets worse: <http://jacque.on-rev.com/jacque/jacque.html>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From irog at mac.com  Thu May 14 13:09:43 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:09:43 -0700
Subject: Where To Put Icons In Standalone?
In-Reply-To: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <83F310F4-6FBF-49FD-8537-7160B2EB24EE@mac.com>

Greetings,

I have a "Splash Screen" type standalone with about 10 .rev substacks.  
What's your advice on where to place the icons for all of these  
stacks?. Some of the icons are used in multiple substacks and are not  
stack specific.

I did a search of the archives and couldn't find the answer to  
this . . . please forgive me if this is "old hat"

Thanks,
Roger


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 13:18:39 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:18:39 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>>> And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now 
>> propose we 
>>> have a user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or 
>>> female. ;-)
>> I used to use plain "Jacque" in my signature, and everyone 
>> thought I was a man, which is the primary reason I changed it 
>> to "Jacqueline". This was way back in the days of bulletin 
>> boards, before the web was invented, and it was interesting 
>> to see how people's responses changed when they found out I 
>> was female. At the time, women programmers were almost 
>> unheard of. I let them think I was male for almost a year 
>> before I dropped the bomb. The double-takes were amusing.
> 
> I completely understand :-)

I thought of you. :) I still have to figure out Shao Sean. The only 
thing I remember is that his/her name is backward to Western 
conventions. English needs a non-gender human pronoun.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 13:21:32 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:21:32 -0600
Subject: Where To Put Icons In Standalone?
In-Reply-To: <83F310F4-6FBF-49FD-8537-7160B2EB24EE@mac.com>
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
	<83F310F4-6FBF-49FD-8537-7160B2EB24EE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3FFF8605-51D2-4DD3-A4A7-60721E4C5A53@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Roger Guay wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have a "Splash Screen" type standalone with about 10 .rev substacks.
> What's your advice on where to place the icons for all of these
> stacks?. Some of the icons are used in multiple substacks and are not
> stack specific.
>
> I did a search of the archives and couldn't find the answer to
> this . . . please forgive me if this is "old hat"

I would put the image in the standalone "splash" stack. All of the  
other stacks in the project would be able to access it then. Another  
alternative would be to put it in a library stack that the splash  
screen stack starts using at launch time.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From coiin at rcn.com  Thu May 14 13:22:47 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:47 -0400
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>
	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <51E6634C-3ACE-48C4-8BDF-E366DF5CCE44@rcn.com>


On May 14, 2009, at 1:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I thought of you. :) I still have to figure out Shao Sean. The only  
> thing I remember is that his/her name is backward to Western  
> conventions. English needs a non-gender human pronoun.

Even I have trouble sometimes. There seem to be a number of Americans  
who don't know the name Colin, and hear it as Colleen. As my voice  
doesn't quite match Lee Marvin's for pitch, I do occasionally have to  
explain to phone operators that no, I'm not Colleen.




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu May 14 13:43:41 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:43:41 -0700
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com><F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>
	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F3953E4D05674C8297F9BF421DF60FE8@GATEWAY>

> > I completely understand :-)
> 
> I thought of you. :) I still have to figure out Shao Sean. 
> The only thing I remember is that his/her name is backward to 
> Western conventions. English needs a non-gender human pronoun.

There are cultural versions too - I have a friend whose father was British
and mother was French, and grew up in France. But his dad put the British
version of his name on the birth certificate, so he took a lot of abuse in
French schools as being different.


Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From jhj at jhj.com  Thu May 14 13:57:13 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:57:13 -0700
Subject: help - why is this no work?!
In-Reply-To: <004601c9d491$50b38ae0$f21aa0a0$@com>
References: <45A00574-528E-42ED-8F4C-620FC0AD064F@wehostmacs.com>
	<004601c9d491$50b38ae0$f21aa0a0$@com>
Message-ID: <CFAA13B1-CBB1-4BB8-AEA1-34DDDD7E987E@jhj.com>

On May 14, 2009, at 5:41 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Shao Sean wrote:
>
>> Was doing some geeking with a friend in Finland and he wrote a Perl
>> script that got the correct answer and then we discovered that Rev is
>> not getting the correct answer for the multiplication.. Where is Rev
>> getting the extra "1" from? I have written a 64-bit binary math
>> library that gets the correct answer and will need to do further
>> testing with it to see if I get the correct answers for all the  
>> tests.
>>
>>
>> Rev: 16777619 * 2166136261 = 36342608889142560
>>
>> Perl: 16777619 * 2166136261 = 36342608889142559
>
> Is it the same thing we ran into using straight math in the scripting
> competition that after 16 digits the 16th digit is rounded and you  
> get zeros
> after that? The answer is 17 digits long.

Yes. Rev appears to use IEEE double-precision binary floating point  
numbers. These are 64 bits: 52 for mantissa, 11 for exponent and 1 for  
sign. So the biggest exact integer is 2 ^ 52 - 1 which is a 16 digit  
number that starts with a 4. Any integer math in Rev that gives  
intermediate results bigger than that will not be exact. I'd give the  
exact number, but I don't have a calculator that will do it. I can get  
2 ^ 49 and then multiply by 8 (by hand), but I promised I'd leave that  
alone now.

Cheer,
Jerry J



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 13:57:41 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:57:41 -0600
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>
	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 11:18 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>>>> And here I am going on about var naming conventions. I now
>>> propose we
>>>> have a user naming convention as in mJim and fJacque for male or
>>>> female. ;-)
>>> I used to use plain "Jacque" in my signature, and everyone
>>> thought I was a man, which is the primary reason I changed it
>>> to "Jacqueline". This was way back in the days of bulletin
>>> boards, before the web was invented, and it was interesting
>>> to see how people's responses changed when they found out I
>>> was female. At the time, women programmers were almost
>>> unheard of. I let them think I was male for almost a year
>>> before I dropped the bomb. The double-takes were amusing.
>>
>> I completely understand :-)
>
> I thought of you. :) I still have to figure out Shao Sean. The only
> thing I remember is that his/her name is backward to Western
> conventions. English needs a non-gender human pronoun.

Often you can just use "they", when the person referred to is  
unspecified, as in "If the user gets confused they can contact tech  
support." (This usage is cropping up more and more in English, and  
reportedly there are even examples of it in Shakespeare.) But there is  
no good solution when you're referring to a specific, named person.  
Maybe we need to borrow from German "man" or Polish "pan":

"Ask Robin. Man knows what man's doing." (Hmmmm. Doesn't exactly solve  
the gender-neutral thing, does it.)

I'll go ask my friend Dana. Pan's a linguist.

  :-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu May 14 14:08:11 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:08:11 -0700
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com><C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com><4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com><4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com><F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY><4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AB615419CABD4B73ADE3EB25F73E19C3@GATEWAY>

> > I thought of you. :) I still have to figure out Shao Sean. The only 
> > thing I remember is that his/her name is backward to Western 
> > conventions. English needs a non-gender human pronoun.
> 
> Often you can just use "they", when the person referred to is 
> unspecified, as in "If the user gets confused they can 
> contact tech support." (This usage is cropping up more and 
> more in English, and reportedly there are even examples of it 
> in Shakespeare.) But there is no good solution when you're 
> referring to a specific, named person.  
> Maybe we need to borrow from German "man" or Polish "pan":
> 
> "Ask Robin. Man knows what man's doing." (Hmmmm. Doesn't 
> exactly solve the gender-neutral thing, does it.)
> 
> I'll go ask my friend Dana. Pan's a linguist.

We also don't have the thing (its been a long, long time since I took
linguistics!) where once a person is identified, you can drop the name or
pronoun, like in some languages - that's a "high context" language
situation, right?

Of course, there's always the special "married to this person too long"
reference which seems to be in every culture, the grunt + head gesture to
refer to once's spouse :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
http://www.proactive-intl.com 







From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu May 14 14:11:20 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:11:20 +0100
Subject: Copy files between servers
In-Reply-To: <ADEA1125-4C87-4D99-B84E-30B575A2D154@yahoo.com>
References: <ADEA1125-4C87-4D99-B84E-30B575A2D154@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905141111m492eecc7nda68e0fb3c463049@mail.gmail.com>

I think the umask environment variable is what you need on the Unix
side of things.

http://www.tech-faq.com/umask.shtml

Although since the mounted folder is actually a smb/cifs share, there
may be other issues that complicate things.  You may need to work with
the Windows permissions instead/as well.

Bernard

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Basic setup is
> Rev stack running a send loop in Win 2003 Server
> -1- a text file is written to the C:/temp/ ? ?folder
>
> Rev stack running a send loop in OSX 10.5 Leopard
> -2- the ?C:/temp/ ?folder is mounted as a shared drive
> thus has the path /Volumes/temp/ ?in the OSX Finder
>
> Apache in OSX is serving pages in the /Users/username/Sites/ ?folder
> The Rev stack in OSX can do RevCopy to the Sites/ folder
>
> however, the permissions are set to 700 ?vs 644 and Apache cannot read them.
> (note: the files to be 'copied' do not have the same file name since they
> are time stamped file names)
>
> To do a shell("chmod") I think I will have to do SUDO, but since this is a
> continuous process, how would I handle the password?
>
> I know that 'root' user is dangerous, and 'www' maybe as well.
>
> Instead of using RevCopy,
> Is there a way of setting the Apache permissions on the mounted
> C:/temp/theseFilesOnly/ folder?
> I don't know how to specify the mounted/shared drive for Apache.
>
> Any tips or help would be appreciated.
>
> PS. ?For the files that are always named the same,
> put url ("file:" & pathToSitesFolder & "filename.txt") works fine since the
> permissions have been set to 644.
> It is just the new filenames on C:/temp/ ?that the permissions need to be
> changed.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
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From stephen at networkxfla.com  Thu May 14 14:23:31 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (Stephen Cox)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:23:31 -0400
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <D2931395-FADD-4322-986E-241EB7994939@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C631D9E3.85A%stephen@networkxfla.com>

Heh.

I'd be happy to find simple calendar popups.


On 5/14/09 5:01 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:

> Your mention of 3rd party support triggered a thought: What would it
> take to create a Rev plugin ('connector') to handle foreign language
> libraries?

-- 
Stephen Cox
Chief geek | Networkx | networkxfla.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 14:46:33 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:46:33 -0600
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <C631D9E3.85A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
References: <C631D9E3.85A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
Message-ID: <7B8EF123-CECC-4D7C-8D51-9FF5CDA6902E@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:

> Heh.
>
> I'd be happy to find simple calendar popups.

Stephen,

Do you mean a small calendar that pops up and lets you click a date,  
then returns that date to your handler? Sarah Reichelt has one on her  
sample stacks download page:

http://troz.on-rev.com/stacks.irev

You'll want to save the file linked under Calendar, or just open it  
directly in rev with 'go stack URL "http://url/to/stack.rev".

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May 14 14:49:40 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:49:40 -1000
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>


Devin Asay wrote:

> Often you can just use "they", when the person referred to is
> unspecified, as in "If the user gets confused they can contact tech
> support." (This usage is cropping up more and more in English, and
> reportedly there are even examples of it in Shakespeare.) But there is
> no good solution when you're referring to a specific, named person.
> Maybe we need to borrow from German "man" or Polish "pan":
> 
> "Ask Robin. Man knows what man's doing." (Hmmmm. Doesn't exactly solve
> the gender-neutral thing, does it.)

This reminds me of when I first started corresponding with Eric I used the
word "handler" to generically refer to commands and functions. He
immediately wrote back and asked what was a handler? I explained, and he
then proceeded to tell me how long he had been involved with transcript and
xtalk and that he had written books on it and there was no such animal as a
"handler" and to kindly be "precise" when corresponding with him and refer
to things by their correct names.

At first I argued and finally gave up the argument, as he was very adamant,
and just used the word when I felt appropriate both to him and on the list,
which pushed his buttons to no end. ;-)

Then I think when Jerry came out with Constellation or maybe later with
Galaxy, he used the word handler and eventually everybody was using the
word. Eventually Eric himself caved and started using the word.

So sometimes you need to just make up a word. Although I do not believe I
made this word up, but it was just a carryover from some other language,
because I honestly don't remember when I first starting using the word. I
just knew that at some point command/function was too long and silly to
type. Similar to the use of "s/he" today.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 14:57:26 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:57:26 -0600
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
	<005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>
Message-ID: <3C553741-44DD-426D-AB3A-90C73752C082@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
> So sometimes you need to just make up a word. Although I do not  
> believe I
> made this word up, but it was just a carryover from some other  
> language,
> because I honestly don't remember when I first starting using the  
> word. I
> just knew that at some point command/function was too long and silly  
> to
> type. Similar to the use of "s/he" today.

I once had a colleague with the same complaint about "s/he". He joked  
that it excluded inanimate objects and suggested "s/h/*t". I declined  
to follow his suggestion.

:-)

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 14 15:00:04 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:00:04 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
	<005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>
Message-ID: <4A0C6A34.70001@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:

> So sometimes you need to just make up a word. Although I do not believe I
> made this word up, but it was just a carryover from some other language,
> because I honestly don't remember when I first starting using the word. I
> just knew that at some point command/function was too long and silly to
> type.

I know that HyperCard used it from the beginning, and all reference 
books about HC refer to "handlers". I'm surprised Eric didn't know that, 
he was on the HC list forever.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May 14 15:22:21 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:22:21 -1000
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C6A34.70001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>	<005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>
	<4A0C6A34.70001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c9d4c9$4e4acdd0$eae06970$@com>

Jacque wrote:

> I know that HyperCard used it from the beginning, and all reference
> books about HC refer to "handlers". I'm surprised Eric didn't know
> that,
> he was on the HC list forever.

I have no idea. I just know it was an argument. Knowing Eric, it could have
been that he was aware of it, but just disagreed with its usage because it
was not an "official" term? I just looked and even in Rev's latest
dictionary it is only used twice and in neither case itself defined.

Eric was too polite to "school" people on a list. So not having to be polite
with me, maybe I was just his opportunity to air a pet peeve. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 14 15:31:38 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:31:38 -0600
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <005a01c9d4c9$4e4acdd0$eae06970$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>
	<005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>	<4A0C6A34.70001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<005a01c9d4c9$4e4acdd0$eae06970$@com>
Message-ID: <23A3CAA5-7F5A-46D1-8D97-F52BE799135F@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Jacque wrote:
>
>> I know that HyperCard used it from the beginning, and all reference
>> books about HC refer to "handlers". I'm surprised Eric didn't know
>> that,
>> he was on the HC list forever.
>
> I have no idea. I just know it was an argument. Knowing Eric, it  
> could have
> been that he was aware of it, but just disagreed with its usage  
> because it
> was not an "official" term? I just looked and even in Rev's latest
> dictionary it is only used twice and in neither case itself defined.
>
> Eric was too polite to "school" people on a list. So not having to  
> be polite
> with me, maybe I was just his opportunity to air a pet peeve. ;-)

I've just always used the word "handler" since my HC days. If I want  
to be more specific I say "function handler" or "message handler". I  
just assumed it was commonly used in Transc--, I mean Revolution. The  
term handler is all over the place in the User Guide.

Out of curiosity, what did Eric think they should be called?

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Thu May 14 18:59:16 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:59:16 -0700
Subject: Data grid
Message-ID: <C631F054.13E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi, first of all thanks to RunRev for the DG beautiful job done.
But little comment a little not RunRev?ish
A bit complicated isn?t it or maybe I don?t know how to use it yet, maybe.
A questions,
 I want to disable to sort, I did not check the sort btn and it doesn?t
disable the sorting.
Thanks in advanced, Hershel



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu May 14 16:31:16 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:31:16 +0200
Subject: Sort by a column in a form DataGrid
Message-ID: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>

Hi list


I have a form with a date column

I'd like a handler to sort the form by the "date" column, "dateTime"  
and using the "usesystemDate" to true

How can I perfomr that ?

Thanks.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 14 16:44:10 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:44:10 +1000
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <199F4A72-A59C-4245-901A-F13B966BA1C5@byu.edu>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C3626.6070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E9ABD60F-0375-439D-B95E-0823C55DEAC0@byu.edu>
	<4A0C48CB.7010307@hyperactivesw.com>
	<199F4A72-A59C-4245-901A-F13B966BA1C5@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905141344n2e5b60d0pcaab77eb41c8b07c@mail.gmail.com>

> Now we'll wait for Sarah R. to come on board and show us how it's really
> done!


I think you've already got it, but I couldn't resist this challenge.... :-)

>From my DateTime library
<http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries/DateTime.rev.gz> I took the
following function:

-- daysBetween(date1, [date2])
--
-- Returns the number of days between 2 dates.
-- If only one date is specified, it will use the current date for the second.
-- The dates must be in English format.
-- It doesn't matter whether the most recent date is first or last.
-- 
function daysBetween pDate1, pDate2
    if pDate2 is empty then put the short english date into pDate2
    if pDate1 is not a date or pDate2 is not a date then return empty

    convert pDate1 from short english date to dateItems
    convert pDate2 from short english date to dateItems
    repeat with i = 4 to 7
        put 0 into item i of pDate1
        put 0 into item i of pDate2
    end repeat
    convert pDate1 from dateItems to seconds
    convert pDate2 from dateItems to seconds

    put abs(pDate1 - pDate2) into tDiff
    return tDiff / (60 * 60 * 24)
end daysBetween

This gives you the number of days between a pair of dates, so you can
then divide by 365 to get the approximate number of years. I guess
there would be extra credit for working out how many leap years were
in that period and dividing by 365.xx instead for a more accurate
result.

BUT, I understand that there are problems with the convert command on
Windows systems if the year is < 1970, so this may not work properly
in those cases.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu May 14 16:45:08 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:45:08 -1000
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <23A3CAA5-7F5A-46D1-8D97-F52BE799135F@byu.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com><003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<F8B3DA5736524506B99EA1462F1E309D@GATEWAY>	<4A0C526F.500@hyperactivesw.com>	<9D0E513C-4297-4C14-95AC-8208454DACEA@byu.edu>	<005601c9d4c4$bd7fd600$387f8200$@com>	<4A0C6A34.70001@hyperactivesw.com>	<005a01c9d4c9$4e4acdd0$eae06970$@com>
	<23A3CAA5-7F5A-46D1-8D97-F52BE799135F@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <005b01c9d4d4$deadfef0$9c09fcd0$@com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> Out of curiosity, what did Eric think they should be called?

I just looked for the emails and they are too old and in some archive
somewhere. But that was my first comeback to him and, as I recall, he
ignored the question and his reply was to just be "precise" and use either
command or function. ;-)

Precision, "ergonomics" (he was actually an architect by trade and loved all
of the arts and "presentation" and pleasing "form") and code elegance (which
to him meant very modular and highest efficiency in terms of speed or
cycles) were just a few of his major focal points.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 14 16:49:26 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:49:26 +1000
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <D2931395-FADD-4322-986E-241EB7994939@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <C63100E2.7F4%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<D2931395-FADD-4322-986E-241EB7994939@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905141349k841c12eq9d6d0f1b2dec2108@mail.gmail.com>

> Your mention of 3rd party support triggered a thought: What would it take to
> create a Rev plugin ('connector') to handle foreign language libraries?

NativeSpeak <http://www.dam-pro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=24>
handles translating your app into multiple languages if that's what you need.

Cheers,
Sarah


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu May 14 16:58:32 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:58:32 -0700
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <61004FCF-88EE-4D07-A977-6A3ECC7B0704@qldlearning.com>

I think the scripting competition permanently damaged me... clearly  
this is a one-liner!

function le_chevalier tGender,tReal_age
   return 39 + offset(tGender, "m") * (tReal_age - 39)
end le_chevalier

> function le_chevalier tGEner,tReal_age
> if tGender = "f" then return min(39,tReal_age)
> return tReal_age
> end le_chevalier


From coiin at rcn.com  Thu May 14 17:06:54 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:06:54 -0400
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <61004FCF-88EE-4D07-A977-6A3ECC7B0704@qldlearning.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>
	<61004FCF-88EE-4D07-A977-6A3ECC7B0704@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <BC478206-0126-4594-8B3E-E35CF7D02EEC@rcn.com>


On May 14, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> function le_chevalier tGender,tReal_age
>  return 39 + offset(tGender, "m") * (tReal_age - 39)
> end le_chevalier


I think that might say that all females are 39.




From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu May 14 17:14:10 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:14:10 -0700
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <BC478206-0126-4594-8B3E-E35CF7D02EEC@rcn.com>
References: <4EF7DE71-BA71-4FEF-8E3E-99E2F244F70E@major.on-rev.com>	<AB3543A5-D8B3-436C-B6B5-28EFEF47A824@twft.com>
	<7B7CA7D3-2C2E-425B-AF5A-769D930F2068@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A0C47E4.3010306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7A7CC9A6-8E4A-4828-A1AB-E4196043844D@rcn.com>
	<61004FCF-88EE-4D07-A977-6A3ECC7B0704@qldlearning.com>
	<BC478206-0126-4594-8B3E-E35CF7D02EEC@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <F0130A66-AAA3-46DB-82C1-551F25F027D2@qldlearning.com>

LOL, I told you I was permanently damaged!!!

>
> On May 14, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
>
>> function le_chevalier tGender,tReal_age
>> return 39 + offset(tGender, "m") * (tReal_age - 39)
>> end le_chevalier
>
>
> I think that might say that all females are 39.


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu May 14 18:06:12 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:06:12 -0400
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
Message-ID: <34BEA0AD-CD85-41BF-BCE9-5EA5897FDD04@gmail.com>

Here's what I use:

function doAge bd,asOf
   -- bd = birthdate in short date form
   -- asOf = (optional) short date
   --    age is calculated as of date "asOf"
   --    or as of today if omitted
   if sws(bd) = "" then
     return ""
   end if
   if asOf = "" then
       put the short date into asOf
   end if
   -- first, get full year (yyyy) for each date
   -- I found the centuryCutoff property unreliable
   put getFullYr(bd) into actualBdYr
   put getFullYr(asOf) into actualNowYr
   convert bd to dateItems
   put actualBdYr into item 1 of bd
   convert asOf to dateItems
   put actualNowYr into item 1 of asOf
   put item 1 of bd into bYr
   put item 2 of bd into bMo
   put item 3 of bd into bDy
   put item 1 of asOf into nYr
   put item 2 of asOf into nMo
   put item 3 of asOf into nDy
   if bDy > nDy then subtract 1 from nMo
   if bMo > nMo then subtract 1 from nYr
   put nYr - bYr into age
   return age
end doAge

function getFullYr tDate
   -- works only for people < 100 years old
   set the itemDelimiter to "/"
   put the last item of tDate into yr
   if the number of chars of yr = 2 then
     if yr >= last item of the short date then
       put "19" before yr
     else
       put "20" before yr
     end if
   end if
   return yr
end getFullYr

function sws str
   -- "strip whitespace"
   return word 1 to -1 of str
end sws

----------------------

On 5/14/09, "klaus at major.on-rev.com"  wrote:

Hi all,

I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I have  
the birthday. The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy,  
but how to proceed? :-)

Thanks in advance!

Best

Klaus


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu May 14 06:53:23 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:53:23 +0300
Subject: [OT] Yahoo Groups
Message-ID: <4A0BF823.6020101@gmail.com>

Have contacted Yahoo Groups, but they say there is no way
for them to set groups so that files can be downloaded by non-members.

Those of you who are interested in my Cognitive Linguistics Thesis
would be better to contact me directly, off-list; and then I can
let you have it as an attachment. Sorry for the mix-up there.


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu May 14 20:09:28 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:09:28 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD5@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by J. Landman Gay on Thu May 14, 2009 - 10:56 AM CDT
>>>
It isn't exactly what you're asking about, but try opening the Message 
Watcher and keep an eye out for any commands that open stacks.
<<<

I watched the Message Watcher and didn't see anything unusual about
other stacks opening, which they did again.
I will make an entry in the RunRev bug system. I will ask for a utility
that watches all behind the scene actions. Maybe they have this type of
software that will report to them.

Oh that reminds me, isn't there a setting for this that captures all
events to a file?
Can someone tell me where that is?

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 14 21:06:38 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:06:38 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD5@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD5@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <2BBC08C6-EF7F-4B03-B03E-ECDEF55D00AB@cox.net>

Whom-so-ever:

I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that  
you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In  
3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that turns  
that off?

Joe Wilkins


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu May 14 21:17:01 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:17:01 -0400
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C631F054.13E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C631F054.13E%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <B33FDF33-61A6-46DC-AC68-94D0370AD56B@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 14, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi, first of all thanks to RunRev for the DG beautiful job done.
> But little comment a little not RunRev?ish
> A bit complicated isn?t it or maybe I don?t know how to use it yet,  
> maybe.
> A questions,
> I want to disable to sort, I did not check the sort btn and it doesn?t
> disable the sorting

See the lesson "How Do I Customize or Disable Column Sorting" in the  
manual. The button you are checking in the property inspector just  
changes the column that the data grid is being sorted by. It doesn't  
disable sorting for the entire data grid.

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3780-How-Do-I-Customize-or-Disable-Column-Sorting- 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu May 14 21:21:34 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:21:34 +1000
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
In-Reply-To: <2BBC08C6-EF7F-4B03-B03E-ECDEF55D00AB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C63300BE.466E%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
something else that has focus (like a field in the property inspector or the
message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?

Terry...


On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Whom-so-ever:
> 
> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that turns
> that off?
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Thu May 14 21:48:06 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:48:06 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
Message-ID: <20090515014806.QKYQ13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the object of interest is the object of focus.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
something else that has focus (like a field in the property inspector or the
message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?

Terry...


On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Whom-so-ever:
> 
> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that turns
> that off?
> 
> Joe Wilkins
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 14 22:08:11 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:08:11 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
In-Reply-To: <20090515014806.QKYQ13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090515014806.QKYQ13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <5B698A7A-4C6B-4D1D-A0B0-D130F7AA8E9D@cox.net>

Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million  
> times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
> something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the
> message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Whom-so-ever:
>>
>> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
>> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
>> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
>> turns
>> that off?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>> _______________________________________________



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu May 14 22:08:28 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:08:28 +0800
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD5@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD5@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905141908r765c1f76ibd30d8812c613900@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Mark Stuart <mstuart at adaptcrm.com> wrote:

> Written by J. Landman Gay on Thu May 14, 2009 - 10:56 AM CDT
> >>>
> It isn't exactly what you're asking about, but try opening the Message
> Watcher and keep an eye out for any commands that open stacks.
> <<<
>
> I watched the Message Watcher and didn't see anything unusual about
> other stacks opening, which they did again.


OK, moving on from 20 questions to 60 questions...

If I understand correctly you seem to have tracked down that it is nothing
inside the stacks, but seems to be triggered externally, probably by the
IDE. Just to confirm

You open stack 1, nothing shows, but if you open a buttons script, three
other stacks appear in the Application Browser?

Does it only happen if you open a button's script, or is it the same if you
open a field/card/stack script?

If it's just buttons, could you have copied and pasted a button with an
attached behaviour (haven't worked with behaviours yet so I might be
completely off track here)

Does the same thing occur with stacks 2, 3, and 4. ie from a fresh restart
of Rev, open stack 4, just it, then open a script, stacks 1,2 and 3 appear
in the Application Browser.

Is it always the same 4 stacks involved.

All 4 stacks are plain vanilla stacks, they don't read or write to a
database, the internet, other stacks or an internal shell script?

If you create a brand new stack, open it's stack script, do the original 4
stacks open in the Application Browser? If you save and restart Rev, open
Stack 1, open a script, is that brand new stack now part of the list of
stacks in the Application Browser?

The version of Rev you are using is a full blown version, not an advanced
beta or trial version?

Does Windows have any 'Spaces' like program where you can set it to open
particular files when a certain app opens. Could it be possible you've
accidentally set it to when the Script Editor opens it is triggered and
opens the 4 stacks in question?

As Jacque said, not seeing anything like that here so it must be something
very particular to your set-up.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Thu May 14 22:53:09 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:53:09 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
Message-ID: <20090515025310.XENZ13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Most likely culprit is an open and editable field (with active cursor or selected text) or the message box.  Either will intercept all arrowkey messages.  If a media player is up... it might be snaging the arrow key messages.  Are any of the button objects sensitive to arrowkey input?  Is there an allowarrowkey property as there is in supercard?  Do you have an assistive system (OS) setting activated?  On the mac you can turn on the "Mouse Keys" under the "Mouse & Trackpad" tab in the "Universal Access" System Preferences.  

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million  
> times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
> something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the
> message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Whom-so-ever:
>>
>> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
>> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
>> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
>> turns
>> that off?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>> _______________________________________________

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Thu May 14 22:59:36 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:59:36 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
Message-ID: <20090515025937.BVVK26817.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Do you have a game controller kernal running?  How about a weird input device with its own system level preference panel? 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million  
> times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
> something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the
> message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Whom-so-ever:
>>
>> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
>> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
>> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
>> turns
>> that off?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>> _______________________________________________

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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu May 14 23:02:04 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:02:04 +0800
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>
	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> It gets worse: <http://jacque.on-rev.com/jacque/jacque.html>
>
> What do you mean it gets worse, Jwack ;-) ?

When we have to sign for a package, we both sign "J Gay" because it's faster
to write. Both our middle names start with "S" too

Talk about convenient! The number of times I have to forge a signature - we
have his and hers cars and inevitable it is the 'other' who is about at
registration time and so we both end up doing our best effort at the other's
signature. Deliveries always turn up when the wrong one of us is at home.
Neither of us is going to have him come back later! In the case of credit
cards, I don't even bother now trying to forge the signature, I just use my
own and I've never had any problems! - which I guess is a bit worrying ;-(

So maybe it isn't convenience, as we all probably sign on behalf of our
significant other all the time, but in your case you can have a clearer
conscience ;-)


From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 14 23:08:16 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:08:16 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
In-Reply-To: <20090515025937.BVVK26817.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090515025937.BVVK26817.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <BA68668B-BB15-45F9-9D63-7579E2D88319@cox.net>

Nothing so complicated. Very standard and simple desktop. Just a lot  
of fields and buttons that do things. Mostly calculations and text  
formatting.

It's a converted HC stack, so I'm encountering a few minor problems  
like this.

Thanks, Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Do you have a game controller kernal running?  How about a weird  
> input device with its own system level preference panel?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still
> can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying
> about so long as I know it'll eventually work.
>
> Joe Wilkins



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May 14 23:16:23 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:16:23 -0500
Subject: Ann:  JPEGCompress 2.9.5 Beta
Message-ID: <4A0CDE87.8060300@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Hello All,

I've got a beta version of JPEGCompress 2.9.5 that I'm ready to give out
for testing.  This new version incorporates a number of bug fixes from
the previous Windows version, as well as the brand new Macintosh and
Linux versions.

You can download the beta here:

   Windows XP & Vista
   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-win.exe

   Mac OS X 10.3+
   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-mac.zip

   Linux
   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-linux.zip


I'm not quite finished with the documentation, the Mac file
associations, and there's a few remaining appearance items to resolve
yet, but for the most part this version is ready.

If anyone finds anything wrong, please let me know off-list so I can
confirm it and resolve it.  Thanks for everyone's help!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From randall at randallreetz.com  Thu May 14 23:36:13 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:36:13 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
Message-ID: <20090515033616.TELE7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Actuall, in supercard the universal property is called "textarrows".  If it is on, edit mode won't nudge objects with arrowkey input.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million  
> times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
> something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the
> message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Whom-so-ever:
>>
>> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
>> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
>> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
>> turns
>> that off?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>> _______________________________________________

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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri May 15 00:03:36 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:03:36 +0800
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <34BEA0AD-CD85-41BF-BCE9-5EA5897FDD04@gmail.com>
References: <34BEA0AD-CD85-41BF-BCE9-5EA5897FDD04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905142103v24df0d0cx77d67ab0e78a7e38@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

I gave your function a try and it gave the wrong answer. I had a quick look
and somewhere along the line it converted 2009 to 1909, so I ended up with a
negative age. After some of the earlier posts, I guess it has potential for
a female audience.

Here's my attempt:


FUNCTION calcAge tBirthdate,tAsOf
    IF tAsOf = "" THEN
        put the short date into tAsOf
    END IF
    convert tBirthdate to dateItems
    convert tAsOf to dateItems
    put item 1 of tAsOf - item 1 of tBirthdate into item 1 of tAsOf
    put item 2 of tAsOf - item 2 of tBirthdate into item 2 of tAsOf
    put item 3 of tAsOf - item 3 of tBirthdate into item 3 of tAsOf
    SWITCH
            --it's after the year you were born and after the month you were
born
        CASE ((item 1 of tAsOf > 0) AND (item 2 of tAsOf > 0))
            -- it's after the year, the same month, and the same day or
later
        CASE ((item 1 of tAsOf > 0) AND (item 2 of tAsOf = 0) AND (item 3 of
tAsOf >= 0))
            -- still in the same year
        CASE (item 1 of tAsOf = 0)
            return item 1 of tAsOf
            break
            -- a year after, but before your birth month
        CASE ((item 1 of tAsOf > 0) AND (item 2 of tAsOf < 0))
            --a year after, the same month, but before your birthday
        CASE ((item 1 of tAsOf > 0) AND (item 2 of tAsOf = 0) AND (item 3 of
tAsOf < 0))
            return (item 1 of tAsOf - 1)
            break
        DEFAULT
            --should only end up here if your tAsOf is before your
tBirthdate
            answer "Birthdate is after the Date you provided."
    END switch
END calcAge

Possible errors are people born in the early 1900s or before will have to
enter their dates with 4 digit years, otherwise Rev may assume the wrong
century.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's what I use:
>
> function doAge bd,asOf
>  -- bd = birthdate in short date form
>  -- asOf = (optional) short date
>  --    age is calculated as of date "asOf"
>  --    or as of today if omitted
>  if sws(bd) = "" then
>    return ""
>  end if
>  if asOf = "" then
>      put the short date into asOf
>  end if
>  -- first, get full year (yyyy) for each date
>  -- I found the centuryCutoff property unreliable
>  put getFullYr(bd) into actualBdYr
>  put getFullYr(asOf) into actualNowYr
>  convert bd to dateItems
>  put actualBdYr into item 1 of bd
>  convert asOf to dateItems
>  put actualNowYr into item 1 of asOf
>  put item 1 of bd into bYr
>  put item 2 of bd into bMo
>  put item 3 of bd into bDy
>  put item 1 of asOf into nYr
>  put item 2 of asOf into nMo
>  put item 3 of asOf into nDy
>  if bDy > nDy then subtract 1 from nMo
>  if bMo > nMo then subtract 1 from nYr
>  put nYr - bYr into age
>  return age
> end doAge
>
> function getFullYr tDate
>  -- works only for people < 100 years old
>  set the itemDelimiter to "/"
>  put the last item of tDate into yr
>  if the number of chars of yr = 2 then
>    if yr >= last item of the short date then
>      put "19" before yr
>    else
>      put "20" before yr
>    end if
>  end if
>  return yr
> end getFullYr
>
> function sws str
>  -- "strip whitespace"
>  return word 1 to -1 of str
> end sws
>
> ----------------------
>
> On 5/14/09, "klaus at major.on-rev.com"  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I could need a hint on how to compute the age of a person when I have the
> birthday. The "convert to seconds" and "subtract"ion part is easy, but how
> to proceed? :-)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri May 15 01:05:04 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:05:04 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <000001c9d51a$b594bea0$6073b546@stuart>

Written by Kay C Lan on Thu May 14, 2009 - 9:08 PM CDT
>>>
If you create a brand new stack, open it's stack script, do the original 4
stacks open in the Application Browser? If you save and restart Rev, open
Stack 1, open a script, is that brand new stack now part of the list of
stacks in the Application Browser?
<<<

Ladies and Gentleman, boys and girls. I think I've found out why 'the other
stacks' are opening.
Platform: WinXP
RunRev: 3.5.0-gm-2

First of all. All 4 stacks that were listed in the App Browser were stacks
that I had created.
And they reside in the following folder:

  C:\Program Files\Revolution Studio\

The root installation folder of RunRev.

It seems that this mysterious behavior happens if you have .rev files in
this folder and you open one of these stacks, and then proceed to open the
RunRev script editor. I'm not 100% sure if opening, or not opening the
script editor is responsible for the opening of the other stacks. It maybe
that making/taking some kind of action in the IDE is causing the result.

Now open the Application Browser and see which stacks are listed. 
NOTE: Take note that if you already have the App Browser open, it doesn't
automatically refresh the list when other stacks are opened in this way. You
have to close and reopen it to refresh it.

So I moved these 4 .rev files to another folder then I followed Kay's steps
above.
=== Here's the recipe to duplicate the behavior I've been talking about. ===
Could someone duplicate these steps and reply to the list if the same issue
happens, or not.

Recipe to open stacks that were not selected:
1) Open RunRev
2) Create a stack, and give it a name: Stack1. Save the stack to the folder
referenced above. Close and open RunRev.
3) Create another stack, and give it a name: Stack2. Save it to the same
folder. Close and open RunRev. (closing and reopening RunRev is not really
required where noted, I think. It's just to clear the OS environment)
4) Open Stack1 and check the App Browser. 1 stack listed: Stack1.
5) Now add a push button and name it 'Hello'. Give it a script: answer
"Hello". Close and open RunRev.
6) Do the same for Stack2, add a button: 'Goodbye'. Give it a script: answer
"Goodbye". Close and open RunRev.
Now here's the mystery...
7) Open Stack 1. Right-click on the 'Hello' button and select 'Edit Script'.
Close the script editor.
8) Open the App Browser. How many stacks are listed, and what are their
names? Stack 1 and Stack2?

If this is the case, then please reply to the list now. I need to know.
It would be interesting to know if the same thing happens on other OS
platforms.

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May 15 01:17:20 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>
	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905142215010.13506@ecs.fullerton.edu>

hehehe -- I've been forging my husband's signature on his paychecks for so 
long now that if he ever had to deposit his own I don't think they'd be 
accepted!  Our names are NOT similar...  Ditto for the IR... er... 
nevermind.

Judy

On Fri, 15 May 2009, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Talk about convenient! The number of times I have to forge a signature



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 15 01:28:23 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:23 -0700
Subject: Ann:  JPEGCompress 2.9.5 Beta
In-Reply-To: <4A0CDE87.8060300@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0CDE87.8060300@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <15163AD3-A874-4592-AEA7-BE3F4AE5EB6E@cox.net>

Interesting and nicely done, Derek. You might want to implement an  
undo for the effect changes. Something that should be real easy since  
the Black and White option seems to return the "picture" to the  
original copy every time, but is not so obvious at first.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I've got a beta version of JPEGCompress 2.9.5 that I'm ready to give  
> out
> for testing.  This new version incorporates a number of bug fixes from
> the previous Windows version, as well as the brand new Macintosh and
> Linux versions.
>
> You can download the beta here:
>
>   Windows XP & Vista
>   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-win.exe
>
>   Mac OS X 10.3+
>   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-mac.zip
>
>   Linux
>   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-linux.zip
>
>
> I'm not quite finished with the documentation, the Mac file
> associations, and there's a few remaining appearance items to resolve
> yet, but for the most part this version is ready.
>
> If anyone finds anything wrong, please let me know off-list so I can
> confirm it and resolve it.  Thanks for everyone's help!
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri May 15 02:05:17 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:05:17 +0800
Subject: Computing the age of a person?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905142103v24df0d0cx77d67ab0e78a7e38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34BEA0AD-CD85-41BF-BCE9-5EA5897FDD04@gmail.com>
	<f73a98160905142103v24df0d0cx77d67ab0e78a7e38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905142305q74de9527y31270f041bc52f99@mail.gmail.com>

As some people probably want a more accurate representation of age rather
than in whole years, here's another function, this outputs yy,mm,dd as in
21,5,26.

The really cool bit about this is from my meager testing it appears to take
into account leap years. This is based around a cool piece of Rev
functionality, if you enter a date, convert it to dateItems, then put 0 into
item 3 of dateItems, convert the date again to dateItems, the result is the
last day of the previous month.

To test this, put a birth date like 3/15/50 and test against a date like
3/14/09, the answer will be 59,11,27. If you change the comparison date to
3/15/09 the answer is 60,0,0. ie someone born in March can never be more
than yy,11,27 or 28.

Again not fully tested so please feel free to find the errors of my ways.

FUNCTION calcAccAge tBirthdate,tAsOf
    IF tAsOf = "" THEN
        put the short date into tAsOf
    END IF
    convert tBirthdate to dateItems
    convert tAsOf to dateItems
    put item 1 of tAsOf - item 1 of tBirthdate into item 1 of tYrMthday
    put item 2 of tAsOf - item 2 of tBirthdate into item 2 of tYrMthDay
    put item 3 of tAsOf - item 3 of tBirthdate into item 3 of tYrMthday
    IF (item 3 of tYrMthDay < 0) THEN
        put tAsOf into tHowManyDays
        --here's the cool bit. 0 in item 3 of date items effectively gives
you how many days in the month before
        put 0 into item 3 of tHowManyDays
        convert tHowManyDays to dateItems
        put item 3 of tHowManyDays + item 3 of tYrMthDay into item 3 of
tYrMthDay
        --when days are - we need to subtact 1 from the month count
        put item 2 of tYrMthDay - 1 into item 2 of tYrMthDay
    END IF
    IF (item 2 of tYrMthDay < 0) THEN
        --used to convert a negative month count into a positive number
        put 12 + item 2 of tYrMthDay into item 2 of tYrMthDay
        --when month is negative need to subtact 1 from yr count
        put item 1 of tYrMthDay - 1 into item 1 of tYrMthDay
    END IF
    return tYrMthDay
END calcAccAge


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May 15 02:33:58 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:33:58 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <000001c9d51a$b594bea0$6073b546@stuart>
References: <000001c9d51a$b594bea0$6073b546@stuart>
Message-ID: <1952104781828.20090514233358@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:05:04 PM, you wrote:

> And they reside in the following folder:

>   C:\Program Files\Revolution Studio\

> The root installation folder of RunRev.

??? WHY ???

Needless to say, this is a BAD place to put stacks. Unless you want
them always to load, in which case it's still a bad place to put them.

(This notwithstanding the fact that this is default location that
comes up every time you attempt to save a new stack, which IMO is one
of the dumbest design decisions ever to come out of Scotland).

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 15 07:26:47 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:26:47 +0100
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905141349k841c12eq9d6d0f1b2dec2108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C63100E2.7F4%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<D2931395-FADD-4322-986E-241EB7994939@anachreon.co.uk>
	<f99b52860905141349k841c12eq9d6d0f1b2dec2108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EE2C7ED-4AA4-4671-9928-7077D5CA1277@anachreon.co.uk>

:)

No, referring to 'foreign language' as in 'other programming  
language'...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 14 May 2009, at 21:49, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Your mention of 3rd party support triggered a thought: What would  
>> it take to
>> create a Rev plugin ('connector') to handle foreign language  
>> libraries?
>
> NativeSpeak <http://www.dam-pro.com/index.php? 
> option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=24>
> handles translating your app into multiple languages if that's what  
> you need.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri May 15 08:55:28 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:55:28 +0200
Subject: @Jan Schenkel, important
Message-ID: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jan,

sorry for abusing the list, but all my mails to your quartam account
come back for being considered as SPAM! :-/

Any hints on how to contact you via mail?


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri May 15 09:00:52 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:00:52 -0400
Subject: [code] live resizing code for behaviour objects
Message-ID: <5AE45CF0-C2B5-4230-A6B8-776AEAE3B84A@wehostmacs.com>

Thought I would make this code available for others who may want to  
write custom controls and would like them to be resizable in the  
IDE.. This code does live resizing when the control is resized from  
the drag handles and will update (not live though) if you are using  
the Geometry Manager on the control.

If anyone has my old Filter Field Widget they can see the code in  
action in there, if not you will see some projects in the near future  
that use this code :)

-Sean

ps. this code goes in the parentScript not the actual object's script



on resizeControl
   _resizeControl
end resizeControl


on revCacheGeometry
   _resizeControl
end revCacheGeometry

private command _resizeControl
   constant kControlHeight = 0     -- set to 0 [zero] if no  
contraining is required
   local tLockLoc

   lock screen

   if (the environment = "development") then
     put the lockLocation of me into tLockLoc
     set the lockLocation of me to TRUE

     --- ensure that the control is contrained in height; set to 0  
[zero] if no contraining is required
     if (kControlHeight > 0) AND (the height of me <> kControlHeight)  
then
       set the height of me to kControlHeight
     end if

     --- move and resize your control's components here
     # <INSERT YOUR CODE>
     ----- end

     set the lockLocation of me to tLockLoc     -- restore the  
control's original lockLocation setting
   end if
end _resizeControl


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May 15 09:24:23 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:24:23 -0500
Subject: Ann:  JPEGCompress 2.9.5 Beta
In-Reply-To: <15163AD3-A874-4592-AEA7-BE3F4AE5EB6E@cox.net>
References: <4A0CDE87.8060300@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<15163AD3-A874-4592-AEA7-BE3F4AE5EB6E@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4A0D6D07.3020408@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Thanks Joe.  I'm planning on adding the "Undo" feature to version 3.0,
which is next in the works.  At this point I wanted to get the Mac and
Linux versions out there, and to update JPEGCompress for Vista and
Windows 7 (which I still have to download... probably today).

Thank you for your input.  I appreciate it very much!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Interesting and nicely done, Derek. You might want to implement an undo
> for the effect changes. Something that should be real easy since the
> Black and White option seems to return the "picture" to the original
> copy every time, but is not so obvious at first.
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On May 14, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Derek Bump wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I've got a beta version of JPEGCompress 2.9.5 that I'm ready to give out
>> for testing.  This new version incorporates a number of bug fixes from
>> the previous Windows version, as well as the brand new Macintosh and
>> Linux versions.
>>
>> You can download the beta here:
>>
>>   Windows XP & Vista
>>   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-win.exe
>>
>>   Mac OS X 10.3+
>>   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-mac.zip
>>
>>   Linux
>>   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-linux.zip
>>
>>
>> I'm not quite finished with the documentation, the Mac file
>> associations, and there's a few remaining appearance items to resolve
>> yet, but for the most part this version is ready.
>>
>> If anyone finds anything wrong, please let me know off-list so I can
>> confirm it and resolve it.  Thanks for everyone's help!
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> 


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 09:27:30 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:27:30 EDT
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <c85.4d6a4a91.373ec7c2@aol.com>

Followed your recipe. Only stack1 shows up in the app browser. There are 
about a million other stacks there, but no other working stacks. Mac 
OS10.4.11, PPC G5.

Craig Newman
In a message dated 5/15/09 1:05:16 AM, mfstuart at cox.net writes:


> 
> If this is the case, then please reply to the list now. I need to know.
> It would be interesting to know if the same thing happens on other OS
> platforms.
> 
> 




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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Fri May 15 09:30:11 2009
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:30:11 +0200
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>

Hello everybody,

I'm looking for a general "activity" message sent each time an user  
performs any action (both with keyboard and mouse). Does that exist ?  
I didn't find anything convincing in the dictionnary... I want to  
avoid to pass every message and trap them farther down in the message  
path.

Thanks in advance for any idea

Jacques

******************************************
Prof. Jacques Hausser
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 15 09:45:17 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:45:17 -0700
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>

Hi  Prof:

Just putting an on keydown and on mouseDown handler in the stack  
script will be triggered if the mouse is clicked or any key is  
pressed. How you handle that and what else you might want to do, other  
than a simple beep is up to you. Obviously, this will necessitate some  
caution to prevent blockage of performance. Or am I missing something?

Joe Wilkins

On May 15, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Jacques Hausser wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm looking for a general "activity" message sent each time an user  
> performs any action (both with keyboard and mouse). Does that  
> exist ? I didn't find anything convincing in the dictionnary... I  
> want to avoid to pass every message and trap them farther down in  
> the message path.
>
> Thanks in advance for any idea
>
> Jacques
>
> ******************************************
> Prof. Jacques Hausser
> Department of Ecology and Evolution
> Biophore / Sorge
> University of Lausanne
> CH 1015 Lausanne
> please use my private address:
> 6 route de Burtigny
> CH-1269 Bassins
> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
> mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
> E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
> *******************************************

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect
Director of Product Development for GSI
760-738-1721





From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Fri May 15 10:09:06 2009
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:09:06 +0200
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
	<323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>

Thanks, Joe

This solution implies "pass keydown" and "pass mouseDown" everywhere  
these messages are trapped... I should perhaps also add "on mouseMove"  
and  "pass mouseMove"...
I'll check it anyway. It's for an application used in an exhibition -  
about Darwin and (R)evolution. I'm using a timer to restore the  
opening screen after some time if nobody is fiddling with the computer.

Jacques

Le 15 mai 2009 ? 15:45, Joe Lewis Wilkins a ?crit :

> Hi  Prof:
>
> Just putting an on keydown and on mouseDown handler in the stack  
> script will be triggered if the mouse is clicked or any key is  
> pressed. How you handle that and what else you might want to do,  
> other than a simple beep is up to you. Obviously, this will  
> necessitate some caution to prevent blockage of performance. Or am I  
> missing something?
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 15, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Jacques Hausser wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I'm looking for a general "activity" message sent each time an user  
>> performs any action (both with keyboard and mouse). Does that  
>> exist ? I didn't find anything convincing in the dictionnary... I  
>> want to avoid to pass every message and trap them farther down in  
>> the message path.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any idea
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> ******************************************
>> Prof. Jacques Hausser
>> Department of Ecology and Evolution
>> Biophore / Sorge
>> University of Lausanne
>> CH 1015 Lausanne
>> please use my private address:
>> 6 route de Burtigny
>> CH-1269 Bassins
>> tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
>> mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
>> E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
>> *******************************************



******************************************
Prof. Jacques Hausser
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 15 10:12:44 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:12:44 -0700
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
	<323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
	<E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <CED15A80-18D8-4DDC-9E05-B3D0CCBC78A2@cox.net>

You've got a handle on the situation it would appear. Sounds  
interesting. Good luck.

Joe Wilkins

On May 15, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Jacques Hausser wrote:

> Thanks, Joe
>
> This solution implies "pass keydown" and "pass mouseDown" everywhere  
> these messages are trapped... I should perhaps also add "on  
> mouseMove" and  "pass mouseMove"...
> I'll check it anyway. It's for an application used in an exhibition  
> - about Darwin and (R)evolution. I'm using a timer to restore the  
> opening screen after some time if nobody is fiddling with the  
> computer.
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 15 mai 2009 ? 15:45, Joe Lewis Wilkins a ?crit :
>
>> Hi  Prof:
>>
>> Just putting an on keydown and on mouseDown handler in the stack  
>> script will be triggered if the mouse is clicked or any key is  
>> pressed. How you handle that and what else you might want to do,  
>> other than a simple beep is up to you. Obviously, this will  
>> necessitate some caution to prevent blockage of performance. Or am  
>> I missing something?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri May 15 10:33:23 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:33:23 +0200
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
	<323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
	<E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <3E6E654C-79A8-4FDA-963C-A745C4DC7390@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jacques,

> Thanks, Joe
>
> This solution implies "pass keydown" and "pass mouseDown" everywhere  
> these messages are trapped... I should perhaps also add "on  
> mouseMove" and  "pass mouseMove"...
> I'll check it anyway. It's for an application used in an exhibition  
> - about Darwin and (R)evolution. I'm using a timer to restore the  
> opening screen after some time if nobody is fiddling with the  
> computer.

A better option may be a little frontscript where you catch your  
events and pass them.
This way you will not have to modify all existing script to "pass  
whatever" :-)

> Jacques

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 10:41:06 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:41:06 -0700
Subject: Copy files between servers - Solved
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905141111m492eecc7nda68e0fb3c463049@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ADEA1125-4C87-4D99-B84E-30B575A2D154@yahoo.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905141111m492eecc7nda68e0fb3c463049@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD1C4245-D613-4D5A-A6B7-D79AEAF97B41@yahoo.com>

Solved for my situation

-1- For the Win 2003 C:/temp/_outputFiles/  folder, set the security  
to this user (Rev) as Full Control
-2-
put logText into url ("File:" & "C:/temp/_outputFiles/" & filename &  
".txt")
get shell("chmod 644" && ("C:/temp/_outputFiles/" & filename & ".txt"))

  On the OSX machine that has mounted the temp/ folder as a shared  
folder
-3-
set the defaultfolder to "/Volumes/temp/_outputFiles/"
put the files into fileList
filter fileList without ".*"
repeat for each line LNN in fileList
    put "/Volumes/temp/_outputFiles/" & LNN into sorce
    put "/Users/username/Sites/_outputFiles/" & LNN into dest
    put url ("file:" & sorce) into url ("file:"& dest)
    get shell("chmod 644" && dest)
    delete file sorce -- purge since these are not appended-style  
output files
end repeat

Now apache can read the file.
Actually, I am writing the log files as html formatted, so my  
extension is .html instead of .txt

Later I will add some php and thus I want to allow execution, so
get shell("chmod 777" && destPhpFile)

I am happy that this works well and does the job quickly.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On May 14, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I think the umask environment variable is what you need on the Unix
> side of things.
>
> http://www.tech-faq.com/umask.shtml
>
> Although since the mounted folder is actually a smb/cifs share, there
> may be other issues that complicate things.  You may need to work with
> the Windows permissions instead/as well.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>> Basic setup is
>> Rev stack running a send loop in Win 2003 Server
>> -1- a text file is written to the C:/temp/    folder
>>
>> Rev stack running a send loop in OSX 10.5 Leopard
>> -2- the  C:/temp/  folder is mounted as a shared drive
>> thus has the path /Volumes/temp/  in the OSX Finder
>>
>> Apache in OSX is serving pages in the /Users/username/Sites/  folder
>> The Rev stack in OSX can do RevCopy to the Sites/ folder
>>
>> however, the permissions are set to 700  vs 644 and Apache cannot  
>> read them.
>> (note: the files to be 'copied' do not have the same file name  
>> since they
>> are time stamped file names)
>>
>> To do a shell("chmod") I think I will have to do SUDO, but since  
>> this is a
>> continuous process, how would I handle the password?
>>
>> I know that 'root' user is dangerous, and 'www' maybe as well.
>>
>> Instead of using RevCopy,
>> Is there a way of setting the Apache permissions on the mounted
>> C:/temp/theseFilesOnly/ folder?
>> I don't know how to specify the mounted/shared drive for Apache.
>>
>> Any tips or help would be appreciated.
>>
>> PS.  For the files that are always named the same,
>> put url ("file:" & pathToSitesFolder & "filename.txt") works fine  
>> since the
>> permissions have been set to 644.
>> It is just the new filenames on C:/temp/  that the permissions need  
>> to be
>> changed.
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 10:48:17 2009
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:48:17 -0700
Subject: Copy files between servers - Solved
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905141111m492eecc7nda68e0fb3c463049@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ADEA1125-4C87-4D99-B84E-30B575A2D154@yahoo.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905141111m492eecc7nda68e0fb3c463049@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <990AA10A-6F7F-4D4A-8C95-19A5C0C49AE4@yahoo.com>

WHoops -- typo  --since I want to delete the files after copying them,
chmod 777   allows everyone to delete files,
                     chmod 644 allows everyone to read only

thus the correct line
get shell("chmod 777" && ("C:/temp/_outputFiles/" & filename & ".txt"))

also show below
Solved for my situation

-1- For the Win 2003 C:/temp/_outputFiles/  folder, set the security  
to this user (Rev) as Full Control
-2-
put logText into url ("File:" & "C:/temp/_outputFiles/" & filename &  
".txt")
get shell("chmod 777" && ("C:/temp/_outputFiles/" & filename & ".txt"))


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Fri May 15 11:02:18 2009
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:02:18 +0200
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <3E6E654C-79A8-4FDA-963C-A745C4DC7390@major.on-rev.com>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
	<323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
	<E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
	<3E6E654C-79A8-4FDA-963C-A745C4DC7390@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <B4FF4E82-6FDC-4880-9923-D2A199C89A75@unil.ch>

Hello Klaus

Yes it is tempting. As the timer runs in the background, this front  
script should reinitialize a GRemainingTime global (or a CP if you are  
globalophobic - I'm not). But, depending of what the user is doing, I  
want to set different values for the reinitialisation, therefore a  
second global or CP...
I'll look. Many thanks anyway.

Jacques

Le 15 mai 2009 ? 16:33, klaus at major.on-rev.com a ?crit :

> Hi Jacques,
>
>> Thanks, Joe
>>
>> This solution implies "pass keydown" and "pass mouseDown"  
>> everywhere these messages are trapped... I should perhaps also add  
>> "on mouseMove" and  "pass mouseMove"...
>> I'll check it anyway. It's for an application used in an exhibition  
>> - about Darwin and (R)evolution. I'm using a timer to restore the  
>> opening screen after some time if nobody is fiddling with the  
>> computer.
>
> A better option may be a little frontscript where you catch your  
> events and pass them.
> This way you will not have to modify all existing script to "pass  
> whatever" :-)
>
>> Jacques
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major.on-rev.com
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
>
>
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From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Fri May 15 11:17:15 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:17:15 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD8@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Mark Wieder on Fri May 15, 2009 - 01:33 AM CDT

>>>
??? WHY ???
Needless to say, this is a BAD place to put stacks. Unless you want
them always to load, in which case it's still a bad place to put them.
<<<
And so Mark W., did you try the recipe? Did it do what I explained and
what this thread has been about?
Mark, is this documented what you mention about stacks always loading if
found in this folder location?
If so, please reply with a doc and page number.

>>>
(This notwithstanding the fact that this is default location that
comes up every time you attempt to save a new stack, which IMO is one
of the dumbest design decisions ever to come out of Scotland).
<<<
Yes it's a free world and Scotland allows you to save your stack
anywhere you'd like.
That it default to this folder location raises thoughts about where I'd
like to have my default location. That other software like MS Word
allows such File Location defaults for its different file types, does
not allow the request to go unanswered.
For this reason maybe you/I would submit an enhancement request. Yes?

Regards,
Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May 15 11:23:38 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:23:38 -0600
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>
	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D9360AB-D711-4DC8-B896-52AAA52A652E@byu.edu>

All:

Did you ever hit the send button on an email then regret it later?

Yesterday in the back and forth banter on this thread I repeated an  
anecdote with language that may have offended some of you. If so, I  
sincerely apologize. I'll be more circumspect in the future.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri May 15 11:50:25 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:50:25 -0700
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <20090515155026.WUWR7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Can one tell rev to watch for and send an event associated with any property delta?

on setupevents
  track fillpat
end setupevents

on fillpat, target
  do something to target
end fillpat

-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Actuall, in supercard the universal property is called "textarrows".  If it is on, edit mode won't nudge objects with arrowkey input.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million  
> times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
> something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the
> message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Whom-so-ever:
>>
>> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
>> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
>> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
>> turns
>> that off?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>> _______________________________________________

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From andersen at mwdental.com  Fri May 15 11:54:06 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:54:06 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905142215010.13506@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905142215010.13506@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <013301c9d575$608504f0$218f0ed0$@com>

> hehehe -- I've been forging my husband's signature on his paychecks for so

> long now that if he ever had to deposit his own I don't think they'd be 
> accepted!  Our names are NOT similar...  Ditto for the IR... er... 

As if the bank looks at signatures any more!  Several years ago (at a
previous
employer), 92 payroll checks were sent out WITHOUT any signature at all.
(I know, different than an endorsement, but still)

Out of 92 employees, there were 8 different banks involved and one "check
cashing" service...

The number of checks refused... ZERO!

Now that is funny/scary!

BA



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri May 15 12:12:36 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <013301c9d575$608504f0$218f0ed0$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>
	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905142215010.13506@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<013301c9d575$608504f0$218f0ed0$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905150909520.25774@ecs.fullerton.edu>

It's funny you should mention that.  As I work at the satellite rather 
than the main campus, may payckecks end up collecting dust at the main 
campus and thus, recently, I deposited three at a time.  And I forgot to 
endorse them.  I contacted the manager immediately who said, "don't worry; 
we'll just cash them anyway!"

While relieved I wouldn't have to wait a week or three to get the money in 
my account, I thought it was a little scary that they don't check for an 
endorsement...

Judy

On Fri, 15 May 2009, Bill Andersen wrote:

> As if the bank looks at signatures any more!  Several years ago (at a
> previous
> employer), 92 payroll checks were sent out WITHOUT any signature at all.
> (I know, different than an endorsement, but still)
>
> Out of 92 employees, there were 8 different banks involved and one "check
> cashing" service...
>
> The number of checks refused... ZERO!
>
> Now that is funny/scary!


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:22:32 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:22:32 -0400
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
Message-ID: <72B4C482-C2DF-443D-8D69-0412546430DF@gmail.com>

To me, managing the focus is one of the truly bedeviling problems in  
Rev. Sometimes commandkey strokes don't work -- when you have a  
commandkeydown handler in the stack script and the focus somehow has  
gotten place somewhere else. If it's in a field, you can often track  
it down, but sometimes (depending on what the user has been doing with  
various clicks) the focus ends up on something obscure, like a button,  
or worse, someplace totally untrackable. No matter how I try to manage  
the focus, at some point my arrowkey strokes or commandkey/controlkey  
strokes unpredictably just vanish somewhere in the message path. I  
have finally resorted to using a frontscript to manage modifer  
keystrokes or arrowkeys. What do others do? There must be some tricks  
I'm missing.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On 5/14/09, Joe Lewis Wilkins  wrote:

****
Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins
****

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

****
Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
how hard one looks at something). This has tripped me up a million  
times. Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
object of interest is the object of focus.
****

"Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

****
Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't  
something else that has focus (like a field in the property inspector  
or the message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?

Terry...
****

"Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

****
Whom-so-ever:

I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that  
you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In  
3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that turns  
that off?

Joe Wilkins
****


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 12:25:26 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:25:26 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905150909520.25774@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905142215010.13506@ecs.fullerton.edu>	<013301c9d575$608504f0$218f0ed0$@com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905150909520.25774@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0D9776.3050502@hyperactivesw.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> It's funny you should mention that.  As I work at the satellite rather 
> than the main campus, may payckecks end up collecting dust at the main 
> campus and thus, recently, I deposited three at a time.  And I forgot to 
> endorse them.  I contacted the manager immediately who said, "don't 
> worry; we'll just cash them anyway!"
> 
> While relieved I wouldn't have to wait a week or three to get the money 
> in my account, I thought it was a little scary that they don't check for 
> an endorsement...

I think it's always been the case that anyone can put money into your 
account without authorization. It's the taking out part that they check. 
A bank told me that probably 20 years ago; deposits don't really need 
any endorsement. They figure if someone is giving you free money, you 
won't complain. The check-cashing services should do a better job of 
checking IDs though, that's scary.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May 15 12:27:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:27:18 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD8@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD8@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <1322140382109.20090515092718@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Friday, May 15, 2009, 8:17:15 AM, you wrote:

> And so Mark W., did you try the recipe? Did it do what I explained and
> what this thread has been about?

Yes and yes. I'd say it's a script editor bug and you should write it
up. GLX2 doesn't exhibit this behavior, the IDE's script editor does.

> Mark, is this documented what you mention about stacks always loading if
> found in this folder location?
> If so, please reply with a doc and page number.

I will correct myself about files loading automatically, I was
thinking of lower down in the folder hierarchy. Nonetheless, common
sense would seem to indicate that storing data files in the Program
Files directory would seem a Bad Idea.

> That it default to this folder location raises thoughts about where I'd
> like to have my default location. That other software like MS Word
> allows such File Location defaults for its different file types, does
> not allow the request to go unanswered.
> For this reason maybe you/I would submit an enhancement request. Yes?

I really thought there was an enhancement request for this, but I
can't find it now. If you want to file one, I'd be happy to vote for
it - this has always been a pain.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 12:29:12 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:29:12 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <5D9360AB-D711-4DC8-B896-52AAA52A652E@byu.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<5D9360AB-D711-4DC8-B896-52AAA52A652E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0D9858.60007@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
> All:
> 
> Did you ever hit the send button on an email then regret it later?
> 
> Yesterday in the back and forth banter on this thread I repeated an 
> anecdote with language that may have offended some of you. If so, I 
> sincerely apologize. I'll be more circumspect in the future.

It was so mild that I had to go back and re-read your posts to even find 
which post you meant. And when I did, I remembered how funny I thought 
it was. I wouldn't worry about it -- I'd be surprised if anyone found it 
offensive. And you did, after all, use asterisks. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May 15 12:45:44 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:45:44 -0600
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0D9858.60007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>
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On May 15, 2009, at 10:29 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>> All:
>>
>> Did you ever hit the send button on an email then regret it later?
>>
>> Yesterday in the back and forth banter on this thread I repeated an
>> anecdote with language that may have offended some of you. If so, I
>> sincerely apologize. I'll be more circumspect in the future.
>
> It was so mild that I had to go back and re-read your posts to even  
> find
> which post you meant. And when I did, I remembered how funny I thought
> it was. I wouldn't worry about it -- I'd be surprised if anyone  
> found it
> offensive. And you did, after all, use asterisks. :)

So asterisks makes everything okay? Well, I'll be ********!

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Fri May 15 12:46:58 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:46:58 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CDD@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Mark Wieder on Fri May 15, 2009 - 11:27 AM CDT

>>>
Yes and yes. I'd say it's a script editor bug and you should write it
up. GLX2 doesn't exhibit this behavior, the IDE's script editor does.
<<<
Awesome :) thanx for testing and confirming this.
I will report this issue to RunRev.
Could you also vote on this? I'll reply with a bug number.

>>>
I will correct myself about files loading automatically, I was
thinking of lower down in the folder hierarchy. Nonetheless, common
sense would seem to indicate that storing data files in the Program
Files directory would seem a Bad Idea.
<<<
My behavior has now changed to storing my .rev files in the root
installation RunRev folder.

>>>
I really thought there was an enhancement request for this, but I
can't find it now. If you want to file one, I'd be happy to vote for
it - this has always been a pain.
<<<
I will submit an enhancement request for a .rev default File Location
folder, that it be a Preference. I would say one could change this up
from project to project. It may help some but not all. 
Like .NET, once you've defined your project, all files you create go
into that project folder location. Maybe a future RunRev release would
be project based.

--
Regards,
Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:48:43 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:48:43 -0400
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 68, Issue 41
In-Reply-To: <20090515150223.2357248ADB9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090515150223.2357248ADB9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5663EA4E-80B9-4F79-86D3-AA23958F1013@gmail.com>

On May 15, 2009, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I gave your function a try and it gave the wrong answer. I had a  
> quick look
> and somewhere along the line it converted 2009 to 1909, so I ended  
> up with a
> negative age. After some of the earlier posts, I guess it has  
> potential for
> a female audience.
>
> Here's my attempt:  <snip>

Hmmm. Never gotten the wrong answer in my use of it. Ahhh, I see.  
There's an error in the function handler

> function getFullYr tDate
> -- works only for people < 100 years old
> set the itemDelimiter to "/"
> put the last item of tDate into yr
> if the number of chars of yr = 2 then
>   if yr >= last item of the short date then  -- wrong comparator
>     put "19" before yr
>   else
>     put "20" before yr
>   end if
> end if
> return yr
> end getFullYr

"if yr >= last item of the short date then" should be "if yr > last  
item of the short date then"

That's what I get for trying to not embarrass myself -- I cleaned up  
working code for my posting to the list, so it looked less  
inefficient, but I didn't test the changes thoroughly.

Actually, I really like Mark Schonewille's version, much more compact.  
I have modified it as below so allow computing the age of any person  
as of an arbitrary date (defaults to today):

function doAge tDate,asOf
    convert tDate to dateItems
    if asOf = empty then
       put the date into asOf
    end if
    convert asOf to dateitems
    put item 1 of asOf - item 1 of tDate - 1 into tAge
    put item 1 of asOf into item 1 of tDate
    convert tDate to seconds
    convert asOf to seconds
    if tDate <= asOf then add 1 to tAge
    return tAge
end doAge

This seems to work well. Anyone find a problem with it?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 12:55:52 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:55:52 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <411EA472-2149-406B-B1E7-8E9A94FF8E84@byu.edu>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com>	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com>	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com>	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com>	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com>	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com>	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com>	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com>	<5D9360AB-D711-4DC8-B896-52AAA52A652E@byu.edu>	<4A0D9858.60007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<411EA472-2149-406B-B1E7-8E9A94FF8E84@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0D9E98.5000009@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> So asterisks makes everything okay? Well, I'll be ********!

I see a MadLibs in here somewhere...one that only asks for swear words.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 15 12:59:15 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:59:15 -0700
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0D9858.60007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C632ED73.419D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

> Yesterday in the back and forth banter on this thread I repeated an
> anecdote with language that may have offended some of you. If so, I
> sincerely apologize. I'll be more circumspect in the future.

I'm sure s/h/*t doesn't mind.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Fri May 15 13:00:48 2009
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:00:48 -0700
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <013301c9d575$608504f0$218f0ed0$@com>
References: <EE559549-7468-450A-AD92-D554D0BB9C84@rcn.com> <	>
	<C63108EF.7FB%stephen@networkxfla.com> <	>
	<003001c9d44b$bde90310$39bb0930$@com> <	>
	<4A0BA1A9.7010006@hyperactivesw.com> <	>
	<003101c9d450$29c2bc30$7d483490$@com> <	>
	<4A0C3E31.6050205@hyperactivesw.com> <	>
	<63DE1184-52AB-4FAB-BDBB-8CE5DFA6B709@twft.com> <	>
	<4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com> <	>
	<f73a98160905142002v5e8fbc68s2bae3eba47004fc7@mail.gmail.com> <,	>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905142215010.13506@ecs.fullerton.edu> <,>
	<013301c9d575$608504f0$218f0ed0$@com>
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How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> on May 15, 2009 at
8:54 AM -0700 wrote:
>As if the bank looks at signatures any more!  Several years ago (at a
>previous
>employer), 92 payroll checks were sent out WITHOUT any signature at all.
>(I know, different than an endorsement, but still)
>
>Out of 92 employees, there were 8 different banks involved and one "check
>cashing" service...
>
>The number of checks refused... ZERO!

Last week I went to the bank to deposit a small cheque from my mother that
she gave me for a birthday gift.  She forgot to date it.  The bank teller
refused it and I said, I will just date it.  She said that would be
forgery and that I had to get my mother to date it.
I didn't want to argue so I went out to my car.  Got a pen and dated the
cheque an then went to an ATM and deposited it:)

Stewart

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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 15 14:01:01 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:01:01 -0700
Subject: Arrow Keys moving Objects
In-Reply-To: <72B4C482-C2DF-443D-8D69-0412546430DF@gmail.com>
References: <72B4C482-C2DF-443D-8D69-0412546430DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEF6C17F-DDD6-4BB3-931B-4CCF0385CA64@cox.net>

Peter:

Thanks for sharing your angst! Helps me to know I'm not alone and that  
one of the true geniuses of this list will manifest a wonderfully  
simple, universal solution. Now I'm wondering, whether all of the key  
actions you mentioned as being erratic should be allowed to be so  
problematic in the first place. For navigation purposes CommandKeys  
and ArrowKeys are fundamental to the GUI. They've just got to work  
predictably and without trouble. WHY is this such a big deal?????

Joe Wilkins

On May 15, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> To me, managing the focus is one of the truly bedeviling problems in  
> Rev. Sometimes commandkey strokes don't work -- when you have a  
> commandkeydown handler in the stack script and the focus somehow has  
> gotten place somewhere else. If it's in a field, you can often track  
> it down, but sometimes (depending on what the user has been doing  
> with various clicks) the focus ends up on something obscure, like a  
> button, or worse, someplace totally untrackable. No matter how I try  
> to manage the focus, at some point my arrowkey strokes or commandkey/ 
> controlkey strokes unpredictably just vanish somewhere in the  
> message path. I have finally resorted to using a frontscript to  
> manage modifer keystrokes or arrowkeys. What do others do? There  
> must be some tricks I'm missing.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> On 5/14/09, Joe Lewis Wilkins  wrote:
>
> ****
> Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
> can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth worrying  
> about so long as I know it'll eventually work.
>
> Joe Wilkins
> ****
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:
>
> ****
> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something). This has tripped me up a million  
> times. Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
> ****
>
> "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>
> ****
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there  
> isn't something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey  
> message?
>
> Terry...
> ****
>
> "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
> ****
> Whom-so-ever:
>
> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that  
> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys.  
> In 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
> turns that off?
>
> Joe Wilkins
> ****



From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Fri May 15 18:00:38 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:00:38 -0700
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <B33FDF33-61A6-46DC-AC68-94D0370AD56B@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C6333416.181%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Thanks, is there a way to have data in a row without showing or in a hidden
fld that I should be able to access?
Thanks, in advanced
Hershel


On 5/14/09 6:17 PM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On May 14, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi, first of all thanks to RunRev for the DG beautiful job done.
>> But little comment a little not RunRev?ish
>> A bit complicated isn?t it or maybe I don?t know how to use it yet,
>> maybe.
>> A questions,
>> I want to disable to sort, I did not check the sort btn and it doesn?t
>> disable the sorting
> 
> See the lesson "How Do I Customize or Disable Column Sorting" in the
> manual. The button you are checking in the property inspector just
> changes the column that the data grid is being sorted by. It doesn't
> disable sorting for the entire data grid.
> 
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagri
> d/lessons/3780-How-Do-I-Customize-or-Disable-Column-Sorting-
>> 
> 
> Regards,




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Fri May 15 18:02:35 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:02:35 -0700
Subject: Datagrid data to text file
In-Reply-To: <C72A1863-D2BF-4790-A43F-BDBBC145D45F@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <C633348B.182%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

I think you could....
Put the dgText of group "data grid" into URL "file:myFile.txt"
Hershel


On 5/12/09 10:49 PM, "Yves COPPE" <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> I want to export the data of a datagrid form to a text file (tab-tab-
> return text file)
> 
> I've tried with the dgtext of group "dataGrid 1" but the columns are
> not in the properly order
> 
> So I try with the dgData of group "dataGrid 1"
> but it gives me an array data
> 
> How can I convert this array data in a text ?
> 
> (there are 4 columns in the datagrid and the number of rows is a
> variable)
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
> 
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From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Fri May 15 18:13:43 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:13:43 -0700
Subject: Where To Put Icons In Standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3FFF8605-51D2-4DD3-A4A7-60721E4C5A53@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C6333727.186%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>


> 
> I would put the image in the standalone "splash" stack. All of the
> other stacks in the project would be able to access it then. Another
> alternative would be to put it in a library stack that the splash
> screen stack starts using at launch time.
Does the same apply to an image?
E.g. Set the cursor to image id of imageAbc of stack "images" is this the
way? Or?
Hershel
> 
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri May 15 15:22:42 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:22:42 -1000
Subject: Remove stack from memory
Message-ID: <008e01c9d592$851cd2d0$8f567870$@com>

Does anyone know what could prevent a stack from being removed from memory
if the destroyStack and destroyWindow of the stack is set to true and there
is no processing or messaging going on (that I'm aware of) that would keep
the stack open until processing completes? 

The window closes, but the stack remains open in the Application Browser.
Selecting Close and Remove from memory in the Application Browser prompts
for an acknowledgement, but after clicking OK the stack remains in memory
and in the Application Browser.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini




From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 15:32:15 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:32:15 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
Message-ID: <d64.3bb9425f.373f1d3f@aol.com>

There has to be something easy.

In HC, in order to scroll multiple scrolling fields in lockStep without 
painful slowness and jitteryness, one had to use an external ("multiScroll", 
from, like, 1989 or so). I do this everywhere.

Rev has the right message, "scrollbarDrag", and the coding is dead simple, 
but the slowness and jitteryness is back in 1987. How to a handful of fields 
together smoothly scroll, that is the bur.

Thanks,

Craig Newman




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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May 15 15:44:55 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:44:55 -0600
Subject: Remove stack from memory
In-Reply-To: <008e01c9d592$851cd2d0$8f567870$@com>
References: <008e01c9d592$851cd2d0$8f567870$@com>
Message-ID: <65EEE104-7C18-4A14-B141-2C1B04DFCA3D@byu.edu>


On May 15, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Does anyone know what could prevent a stack from being removed from  
> memory
> if the destroyStack and destroyWindow of the stack is set to true  
> and there
> is no processing or messaging going on (that I'm aware of) that  
> would keep
> the stack open until processing completes?
>
> The window closes, but the stack remains open in the Application  
> Browser.
> Selecting Close and Remove from memory in the Application Browser  
> prompts
> for an acknowledgement, but after clicking OK the stack remains in  
> memory
> and in the Application Browser.

I seem to see this when I have library stacks in use.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From andersen at mwdental.com  Fri May 15 15:45:20 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:45:20 -0500
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <1322140382109.20090515092718@ahsoftware.net>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CD8@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<1322140382109.20090515092718@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <013701c9d595$ae733900$0b59ab00$@com>

> I will correct myself about files loading automatically, I was
> thinking of lower down in the folder hierarchy. Nonetheless, common
> sense would seem to indicate that storing data files in the Program
> Files directory would seem a Bad Idea.

A agree.  Not to mention the problems Vista has with users writing
files in the Program Files folder.  Will it "really" be in the
Program Files directory? Or will it be vertualized?  Or will you
simply be denied access?  Depends on lots of variables and how
Vista is setup...

The "Program Files" folder is for Program Files, not data.  Most other
Windows programs will put you in [My]Documents by default.

BA



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 15 15:45:28 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:28 -0700
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
In-Reply-To: <d64.3bb9425f.373f1d3f@aol.com>
References: <d64.3bb9425f.373f1d3f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <653B8A25-D95A-4803-8ED7-1A7C72E1A7C1@cox.net>

Hi Craig,

I seem to remember that a simple lock screen before and unlock screen  
after made everything run smoothly.

Joe Wilkins

On May 15, 2009, at 12:32 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> There has to be something easy.
>
> In HC, in order to scroll multiple scrolling fields in lockStep  
> without
> painful slowness and jitteryness, one had to use an external  
> ("multiScroll",
> from, like, 1989 or so). I do this everywhere.
>
> Rev has the right message, "scrollbarDrag", and the coding is dead  
> simple,
> but the slowness and jitteryness is back in 1987. How to a handful  
> of fields
> together smoothly scroll, that is the bur.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Newman



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 15 15:45:53 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:53 -0700
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
In-Reply-To: <d64.3bb9425f.373f1d3f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6331481.419FA%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> In HC, in order to scroll multiple scrolling fields in lockStep without
> painful slowness and jitteryness, one had to use an external ("multiScroll",
> from, like, 1989 or so). I do this everywhere.
> 
> Rev has the right message, "scrollbarDrag", and the coding is dead simple,
> but the slowness and jitteryness is back in 1987. How to a handful of fields
> together smoothly scroll, that is the bur.

Put your fields in a group and enable the vscrollbar (and/or hscrollbar) of
the group.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May 15 16:20:43 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:20:43 -0700
Subject: Other stacks opening besides the one selected
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CDD@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79CDD@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <198-2140580203.20090515132043@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:46:58 AM, you wrote:

> Awesome :) thanx for testing and confirming this.
> I will report this issue to RunRev.
> Could you also vote on this? I'll reply with a bug number.

I'll leave that for others. It's not an issue that affects me, and if
it did I don't know that I'd find it important enough to use up my
limited number of votes on. I'm sure the rev team will deal with bugs
in the script editor in due time.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 16:26:19 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:26:19 -0500
Subject: Remove stack from memory
In-Reply-To: <008e01c9d592$851cd2d0$8f567870$@com>
References: <008e01c9d592$851cd2d0$8f567870$@com>
Message-ID: <4A0DCFEB.4050309@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Does anyone know what could prevent a stack from being removed from memory
> if the destroyStack and destroyWindow of the stack is set to true and there
> is no processing or messaging going on (that I'm aware of) that would keep
> the stack open until processing completes? 
> 
> The window closes, but the stack remains open in the Application Browser.
> Selecting Close and Remove from memory in the Application Browser prompts
> for an acknowledgement, but after clicking OK the stack remains in memory
> and in the Application Browser.

Besides libraries, if you have any drivers open the stack won't close.

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May 15 16:28:54 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:28:54 -0700
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
In-Reply-To: <20090515155026.WUWR7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090515155026.WUWR7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <14-2140089187.20090515132854@ahsoftware.net>

Randall-

Friday, May 15, 2009, 8:50:25 AM, you wrote:

> Can one tell rev to watch for and send an event associated with any property delta?

If I understand what you're asking, you might want to look at the
script of the revMessageWatcher stack for some hints.

You'll need to set the messagemessages to true and then catch the
messages you're interested in with a recordMessage handler.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Fri May 15 16:33:37 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:33:37 -0400
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
In-Reply-To: <C6331481.419FA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6331481.419FA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <26FBFE67-9753-4C0C-A970-95481117B3D1@rcn.com>


On May 15, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Put your fields in a group and enable the vscrollbar (and/or  
> hscrollbar) of
> the group.

There are some things you might want to do in making that group: hide  
the borders of field, and make them not editable, and no scroll bars.  
Set their heights to all be as tall as the tallest one. Then group  
them, and set the border visible on the group, as well as the vertical  
scrollbar. Lastly, reduce the height of the group to the visible area  
that you want to see the text.

If the fields were still editable, you can get into situations where  
the user has clicked, and dragged down , in one of the field's text,  
which will put it out of sync with the other fields.




From bobs at twft.com  Fri May 15 16:46:32 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:46:32 -0700
Subject: On-Rev Signup
Message-ID: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>

I am going to look like a dope asking, but does anyone know what the  
On-Rev signup subdomain and domain fields are asking of me? Is on-rev  
offering to set and host a brand new domain for me? If so, what is the  
IP range? I know I can't just pick a random one.

Bob (confused) Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Fri May 15 16:49:25 2009
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:49:25 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
Message-ID: <325413300905151349n17c58a99y44404462ac1872ba@mail.gmail.com>

It confused the heck out of me also but the deal is the subdomain will
become part of your address which will be subdomain.on-rev.com. You
can be happy with this as an address or use a service that will
translate an address you currently own to map to that address (I do
this thru noip.com but I am sure almost all domain registrars offer
this type of service. The cheapest I have found (that is reliable) is
Godaddy.com

Best regards

Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 242 0911




On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> I am going to look like a dope asking, but does anyone know what the On-Rev
> signup subdomain and domain fields are asking of me? Is on-rev offering to
> set and host a brand new domain for me? If so, what is the IP range? I know
> I can't just pick a random one.
>
> Bob (confused) Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 16:51:36 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:51:36 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
Message-ID: <c54.4c18b1a1.373f2fd8@aol.com>

Scott.

Groups, always groups. Thanks. Works fine, but differently.

When scrolled, the fields themselves are viewed as if they are under a 
"window", as if they were actual scrolls unrolling under a fixed viewing area. I 
guess this actually makes sense. My flds overlap their scrollbars so only 
the righthandmost is visible, and the thumb actually is moved out of the 
"picture" as the group scrolls. I cannot see that this loses anything in the 
translation, but it is not a true synchronous scroll.

No matter. I simply changed the fields from scrolling fields to ordinary 
fields, and the effect (and structural difference) is moot. As a matter of 
style for this task, it is not recommended having scrolling fields at all (I am 
pontificating to myself here).

This is why I have to concentrate on what Rev is, as opposed to how it is 
just a superset of HC.

I am surprised at the sluggishness of trapping and processing the 
scrollBarDrag message, given Rev's usual speed.

Joe, thanks for the reply, but locking/unlocking has little effect.

Craig Newman


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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri May 15 16:55:33 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:55:33 -0400
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
In-Reply-To: <c54.4c18b1a1.373f2fd8@aol.com>
References: <c54.4c18b1a1.373f2fd8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A1036754-A97B-40AF-A3F8-94CC78938CA3@rcn.com>


On May 15, 2009, at 4:51 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> No matter. I simply changed the fields from scrolling fields to  
> ordinary
> fields, and the effect (and structural difference) is moot. As a  
> matter of
> style for this task, it is not recommended having scrolling fields  
> at all (I am
> pontificating to myself here).


See, you should have read my answer too.




From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 17:01:21 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:21 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
Message-ID: <d21.501b7f35.373f3221@aol.com>

Colin, 

Thanks. I worked that out just as your post came over. I will play with 
borders, and it is best if the fields are maximized before grouping and then 
reduced, it yields a smaller group thumb. No problem with editing, I only use 
list fields.

I have to tell you, and Jacques, I have finally crossed the line. Rev is 
just unbelievable. HC seems small, pale and lonely now...

Craig


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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 17:02:16 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:02:16 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
Message-ID: <cd1.4f40611a.373f3258@aol.com>

Can't type and read at the same time.

Craig

In a message dated 5/15/09 4:55:43 PM, coiin at rcn.com writes:


> See, you should have read my answer too.
> 




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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 17:16:39 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:16:39 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
Message-ID: <c88.4a050627.373f35b7@aol.com>

Colin.

The border thing...

If I make a few tall fields and group them, I can then reduce the group 
height. The scrolling is stable, thumb is adorable, everything works fine. But 
if I add (or remove) a border to the group, the fields resize to their 
original height. Locking the size right after reducing the height stops this.

Craig


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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 15 17:18:19 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:18:19 -0700
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
In-Reply-To: <c54.4c18b1a1.373f2fd8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6332A2B.41A15%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Groups, always groups. Thanks. Works fine, but differently.
> 
> When scrolled, the fields themselves are viewed as if they are under a
> "window", as if they were actual scrolls unrolling under a fixed viewing area.
> I 
> guess this actually makes sense. My flds overlap their scrollbars so only
> the righthandmost is visible, and the thumb actually is moved out of the
> "picture" as the group scrolls. I cannot see that this loses anything in the
> translation, but it is not a true synchronous scroll.

I disagree -- a group is more like putting the fields in a box -- you can
still access them the same as if they were separate objects, but they are
moved around inside a frame of sorts.

Regardless, if you really want to keep your controls separate, you can use a
scrollbar adjacent to the fields and set the scroll of the fields using the
scrollbarDrag message.  Execute the following in your message box to see an
example:
go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/scrolltest.rev"


> This is why I have to concentrate on what Rev is, as opposed to how it is
> just a superset of HC.

Definitely.  Coming from an HC background definitely helps, buy you'd do
well to get into Rev methods rather than trying to force Rev to behave like
HC.


> I am surprised at the sluggishness of trapping and processing the
> scrollBarDrag message, given Rev's usual speed.

I don't believe you'll find any sluggishness in the sample stack -- it's
just a different way to do things (Rev often affords several solutions to a
problem).  You can try the lock screen option to see if it makes any
difference on your end -- doesn't do too much here (locking the screen *may*
produce a bit smoother performance) but I didn't do a lot of comparison.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 17:28:40 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:28:40 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
Message-ID: <cf3.575f8382.373f3888@aol.com>

I agree, it works in this case exactly like that - and I really don't 
dislike groups. But they are a construct, as you say. For example, Colin 
suggested that I hide the borders of the fields before grouping them. This is good, 
but it is also necessary to set the border width to 0, or an irksome little 
top border remnant appears when the fields are scrolled to the top. 

No biggie, and half the fun is getting there. I will check out the URL you 
sent me, and thanks. But can it run faster than my own utterly basic script, 
which just traps the message and sets a few scrolls to an index scroll?

Craig Newman


In a message dated 5/15/09 5:18:35 PM, scott at tactilemedia.com writes:
> 
> I disagree -- a group is more like putting the fields in a box -- you can
> still access them the same as if they were separate objects, but they are
> moved around inside a frame of sorts.
> 




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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 17:32:11 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:32:11 -0500
Subject: Synchronous scrolling
In-Reply-To: <d21.501b7f35.373f3221@aol.com>
References: <d21.501b7f35.373f3221@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A0DDF5B.6010106@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I have to tell you, and Jacques, I have finally crossed the line. Rev is 
> just unbelievable. HC seems small, pale and lonely now...

I know. It was so frustrating on the HC list to say something like that 
and get berated by people who'd never learned to use Rev. Welcome to the 
modern world.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 15 17:37:42 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:37:42 -0700
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
In-Reply-To: <cf3.575f8382.373f3888@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6332EB6.41A23%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I will check out the URL you
> sent me, and thanks. But can it run faster than my own utterly basic script,
> which just traps the message and sets a few scrolls to an index scroll?

Not sure, but I would guess so only because a scrolling field is a native
control that will update before passing along any messages.  The sample I
posted updates 3 fields at the same time (for all intents and purposes).

If performance of the demo as is still appears "sluggish" on your end (or
when using your own data), then a group is the way to go.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 17:39:06 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:39:06 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
Message-ID: <d5a.45a8a0d9.373f3afa@aol.com>

Scott:

My fault. I had, for three (measly) fields:

on scrollBarDrag
   set the scroll of fld "F1" to the scroll of me --me is F3
   set the scroll of fld "F2" to the scroll of me
end scrollBarDrag

You have (essentially):

on scrollBarDrag
   repeat with y = 1 to 3
     set the scroll of fld y to the scroll of me --me is F3
   end repeat
end scrollBarDrag

I should have seen this. I just assumed Rev was so fast that it didn't 
matter. But I have had issues with things like "mouseStilldown" and the like, 
and should have thought of it.

Thank you.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 5/15/09 5:18:35 PM, scott at tactilemedia.com writes:


> http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/scrolltest.rev
> 




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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 17:54:49 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:54:49 EDT
Subject: Enough already  with Synchronous scrolling?
Message-ID: <c78.53f156a8.373f3ea9@aol.com>

Oddly, in two different stacks with three fields each, the same contents 
and the same scrolling scripts, one set works 10 times faster than the other. 
In the slow stack, the one where I actually want to do this, I have to use 
the group method. In the other, test stack, separate controls works just 
fine.

I will try to find the difference.

Craig Newman


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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 15 18:05:25 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:05:25 -0700
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
In-Reply-To: <d5a.45a8a0d9.373f3afa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6333535.41A2A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> My fault. I had, for three (measly) fields:
> 
> on scrollBarDrag
>    set the scroll of fld "F1" to the scroll of me --me is F3
>    set the scroll of fld "F2" to the scroll of me
> end scrollBarDrag
> 
> You have (essentially):
> 
> on scrollBarDrag
>    repeat with y = 1 to 3
>      set the scroll of fld y to the scroll of me --me is F3
>    end repeat
> end scrollBarDrag

Here's a performance hint: when updating control settings/values/positions,
use variables when possible, rather than polling the objects' properties.
This goes for scrollbar dragging, which is why the demo is written:

on scrollbarDrag N
   repeat with F = 1 to 3
      set scroll of fld F to N
   end repeat
end scrollbarDrag

N (the scroll value in pixels) is automatically provided by the
scrollbarDrag handler, so for best performance, you should use this, rather
than repeatedly polling the scroll of the scrollbar itself as you're doing
above.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 18:25:36 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:25:36 -0500
Subject: Linux Cursors
In-Reply-To: <4A0B08A8.6000606@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0B08A8.6000606@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A0DEBE0.6080304@hyperactivesw.com>

Derek Bump wrote:
> Is there any way to force my standalone to not use the ugly hand cursor
> and instead use the cursors provided by Gnome or KDE?
> 
> If not, are there any other requirements for the cursor image that you
> can set?  I have a 32x32 color cursor that I have set as the
> defaultCursor of my stack and it causes the Linux standalone to crash
> immediately.

Cursors can only contain 3 colors: black, white, and a custom color. The 
order of the colors in the color lookup table is also important, but if 
you get it wrong it won't crash, it will just display incorrectly. I 
used to know the right order but I've forgotten now.

One way to create a cursor that used to work was to import your 3-color 
image into the stack, select any paint tool, and click inside the image. 
Immediately undo. That used to set the color table correctly, but I 
haven't tried it in a long time.

You need to save your original image in a program that allows a 3-color 
CLUT. Four colors won't work.

-- 
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri May 15 18:26:44 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:26:44 -1000
Subject: Remove stack from memory
In-Reply-To: <4A0DCFEB.4050309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <008e01c9d592$851cd2d0$8f567870$@com>
	<4A0DCFEB.4050309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <009201c9d5ac$3af5faa0$b0e1efe0$@com>

Thanks Devin and Jaque:

Devin Asay:

I seem to see this when I have library stacks in use.

Jacque wrote:

> Besides libraries, if you have any drivers open the stack won't close.

I first thought it was a library issue, but had already dismissed this with
a test stack and I didn't have any externals or devices open.

I was moving things around and evidently a bad geometry can cause this.
After deleting the geometry and resetting it all, the problem disappeared as
unexplainably as it had appeared. Guessing, but I suppose it can be any
improperly resolved messaging on close.

Thanks!

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 15 19:05:16 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:05:16 +0100
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <325413300905151349n17c58a99y44404462ac1872ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<325413300905151349n17c58a99y44404462ac1872ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0DF52C.5040506@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Insofar as I recall it's part of the http protocol (v1.1) to redirect a 
Domain to a 'sub-domain': Like pointing to a folder beyond the root as 
if it were the root.

Cheers,

Luis.


Neal Campbell wrote:
> It confused the heck out of me also but the deal is the subdomain will
> become part of your address which will be subdomain.on-rev.com. You
> can be happy with this as an address or use a service that will
> translate an address you currently own to map to that address (I do
> this thru noip.com but I am sure almost all domain registrars offer
> this type of service. The cheapest I have found (that is reliable) is
> Godaddy.com
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Neal Campbell
> Abroham Neal Software
> Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux
> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
> (540) 242 0911
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> I am going to look like a dope asking, but does anyone know what the On-Rev
>> signup subdomain and domain fields are asking of me? Is on-rev offering to
>> set and host a brand new domain for me? If so, what is the IP range? I know
>> I can't just pick a random one.
>>
>> Bob (confused) Sneidar
>> IT Manager
>> Logos Management
>> Calvary Chapel CM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
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From spepper at byu.net  Fri May 15 19:38:12 2009
From: spepper at byu.net (Scott Pepperdine)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:38:12 -0600
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
Message-ID: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>

Hi,

Will Revolution work with a FileDSN to make an ODBC connection to a 
database?  I've tried a little without success.  I found some entries in 
the Rev forums that concluded that it was broken 
(http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2382) and they were 
going to submit a bug report.  But I could not locate this report in the 
QCC.

I'd like to make my app self-contained and avoid making the user 
configure a DSN, or make registry entries to be able to connect to a 
remote database.

Any knowledge out there on this subject?

Thanks,
--Scott


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 15 20:34:30 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:34:30 EDT
Subject: Synchronous scrolling Solved
Message-ID: <d18.459f733d.373f6416@aol.com>

Right. Always do.


In a message dated 5/15/09 6:05:47 PM, scott at tactilemedia.com writes:


> N (the scroll value in pixels) is automatically provided by the
> scrollbarDrag handler, so for best performance, you should use this, 
> rather
> than repeatedly polling the scroll of the scrollbar itself as you're doing
> above.
> 




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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May 15 21:32:35 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:32:35 -0500
Subject: Linux Cursors
In-Reply-To: <4A0DEBE0.6080304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A0B08A8.6000606@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A0DEBE0.6080304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A0E17B3.3000107@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Thanks Jacqueline!

I ended up redoing the cursor in Photoshop and saving it as a GIF.  That
provided me with a cursor that got rid of that ugly hand, which I think
should be retired anyways... HyperCard is a thing of the past.

I did manage to get the native Gnome and KDE cursors to work though.

All I did was uncheck the box to include Cursors in my standalone, and
then in my script I set the cursor to "arrow".  All the cursors for
Gnome and KDE in Fedora, Ubuntu and OpenSUSE are working perfectly and
match the current system's theme.

Thanks again though.  It's tough asking Linux questions since it's so
new and not many people on here seem to be using it.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Derek Bump wrote:
>> Is there any way to force my standalone to not use the ugly hand cursor
>> and instead use the cursors provided by Gnome or KDE?
>>
>> If not, are there any other requirements for the cursor image that you
>> can set?  I have a 32x32 color cursor that I have set as the
>> defaultCursor of my stack and it causes the Linux standalone to crash
>> immediately.
> 
> Cursors can only contain 3 colors: black, white, and a custom color. The
> order of the colors in the color lookup table is also important, but if
> you get it wrong it won't crash, it will just display incorrectly. I
> used to know the right order but I've forgotten now.
> 
> One way to create a cursor that used to work was to import your 3-color
> image into the stack, select any paint tool, and click inside the image.
> Immediately undo. That used to set the color table correctly, but I
> haven't tried it in a long time.
> 
> You need to save your original image in a program that allows a 3-color
> CLUT. Four colors won't work.
> 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 15 21:40:29 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:40:29 -0500
Subject: Linux Cursors
In-Reply-To: <4A0E17B3.3000107@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A0B08A8.6000606@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<4A0DEBE0.6080304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A0E17B3.3000107@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A0E198D.90204@hyperactivesw.com>

Derek Bump wrote:
> I did manage to get the native Gnome and KDE cursors to work though.
> 
> All I did was uncheck the box to include Cursors in my standalone, and
> then in my script I set the cursor to "arrow".  All the cursors for
> Gnome and KDE in Fedora, Ubuntu and OpenSUSE are working perfectly and
> match the current system's theme.

Oh good. Actually I don't think you even need to set the cursor in a 
script. If a Rev cursor isn't available the system cursor is used by 
default.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat May 16 04:01:00 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:01:00 +0300
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>
Message-ID: <4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>

Hi Scott,

The simplest way is using SQLite files, then you even do not need ODBC, 
and this will be 100% crossplatform and works "out of the box".

Best regards
Viktoras

Scott Pepperdine wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Will Revolution work with a FileDSN to make an ODBC connection to a 
> database?  I've tried a little without success.  I found some entries 
> in the Rev forums that concluded that it was broken 
> (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2382) and they were 
> going to submit a bug report.  But I could not locate this report in 
> the QCC.
>
> I'd like to make my app self-contained and avoid making the user 
> configure a DSN, or make registry entries to be able to connect to a 
> remote database.
>
> Any knowledge out there on this subject?
>
> Thanks,
> --Scott
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat May 16 07:35:06 2009
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:35:06 +0200
Subject: Mac OS X Icon not being copied to Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A01D1FF.4010802@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <347362.48003.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4A01CC90.7050405@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A01D1FF.4010802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F76E018C-242E-4598-8A1D-B112297EC92F@gmail.com>

Hi,

dealing with icons not showing up properly in the finder,
it happens that all tricks you gave DID NOT worked for me...

In fact, all the bundles files where seen as a normal folder !!!!
plus some Rev file on the Desktop lost their icons too.

So, here is the trick I founded today on the Net.....

in /Library/Caches/

there are these 2 files :

-rw-------    1 thierry   admin   937984 May 16 13:18  
com.apple.LaunchServices-014501.csstore
-rw-r--r--    1 root      admin   937984 May 16 12:18  
com.apple.LaunchServices-0140.csstore

which I moved away from this folder ( need admin rights )

and then restart and Bingo ! it works :-)

On the desktop, I lost few icons, but then, Get Info, select the top- 
left icon, press Delete
and all my icons come back to life....

HTH,
Thierry



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat May 16 10:41:17 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:41:17 +0200
Subject: test
Message-ID: <CD9972D6-EBA5-48C4-AC35-F5032AB58BFA@ezpzapps.com>



yo... just testing.

sims





From webmaster at orion-systems.com  Sat May 16 11:02:43 2009
From: webmaster at orion-systems.com (John Hunter)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:02:43 +0100
Subject: Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <CD9972D6-EBA5-48C4-AC35-F5032AB58BFA@ezpzapps.com>
References: <CD9972D6-EBA5-48C4-AC35-F5032AB58BFA@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <513E1F4B-3929-4B36-A1FA-BD98B64FD4B5@orion-systems.com>

Hi All,

I'm looking at Rev and RB and was wondering if there are any samples /  
demo stacks that show how to use sqlite databse without using buttons  
to create or connect to.
It would be really helpful to see how to create / connect to sqlite  
databases using code as opposed to buttons.

Regards,

John

  


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May 16 11:09:21 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:09:21 -0700
Subject: Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <513E1F4B-3929-4B36-A1FA-BD98B64FD4B5@orion-systems.com>
References: <CD9972D6-EBA5-48C4-AC35-F5032AB58BFA@ezpzapps.com>
	<513E1F4B-3929-4B36-A1FA-BD98B64FD4B5@orion-systems.com>
Message-ID: <8ED94F41-139D-4105-A3F3-1BFCBAEB3B0C@cox.net>

Hi John,

Were it not the weekend, I'd pass on this and let someone with first  
hand experience and sqlite databases, but....

You may do just about anything via an on openStack or even a on  
preOpenStack handler that would be run as soon as or even before your  
stack is opened. This allows you to do whatever you need without the  
use of buttons.

I hope this starts you off in the right direction.

Joe Wilkins

On May 16, 2009, at 8:02 AM, John Hunter wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking at Rev and RB and was wondering if there are any  
> samples / demo stacks that show how to use sqlite databse without  
> using buttons to create or connect to.
> It would be really helpful to see how to create / connect to sqlite  
> databases using code as opposed to buttons.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect
Director of Product Development for GSI
760-738-1721





From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May 16 11:50:16 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 05:50:16 -1000
Subject: Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <513E1F4B-3929-4B36-A1FA-BD98B64FD4B5@orion-systems.com>
References: <CD9972D6-EBA5-48C4-AC35-F5032AB58BFA@ezpzapps.com>
	<513E1F4B-3929-4B36-A1FA-BD98B64FD4B5@orion-systems.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c9d63e$02881940$07984bc0$@com>

John Hunter wrote:

> I'm looking at Rev and RB and was wondering if there are any samples /
> demo stacks that show how to use sqlite databse without using buttons
> to create or connect to.
> It would be really helpful to see how to create / connect to sqlite
> databases using code as opposed to buttons.

Hi John,

What Joe said is correct. Just to expand on what he said...

When you click on a button it generates a mouseUp message. So let's say you
create a command like:

On OpenMyDatabase
 get revOpenDatabase("sqlite", "C:/testdbsqlite.db", , , , ) -- right from
the docs on opening an SQLite DB
End OpenMyDatabase

Or:

On OpenMyDatabase pDataBasePathAndName
 get revOpenDatabase("sqlite", pDataBasePathAndName, , , , )
End OpenMyDatabase


Then, on the mouseUp handler of the button, you could have:

On mouseUp
  OpenMyDatabase -- executes your OpenMyDatabase command on the click of the
button
End mouseUp

But there are many actions that generate messages like opening a stack
(preOpenStack and OpenStack) and opening a card (preOpenCard and openCard)
as well as mouse movements and all manner of actions. You can hook your
OpenMyDatabase into any message, not just the messages associated with a
click on a button.

So, you can hook your OpenMyDatabase command into any message. For example,
if you want to open the database when your stack first launches, you could
have:

On preOpenStack
  OpenMyDatabase "c:\WhateverDirectory\WhateverDBName.db" --Calls
OpenMyDatabase with a PC path & name of the SQLite DB.
End preOpenStack

This would open the database as soon as your stack launches and before it
displays.

Hope these examples help. Look at the Rev dictionary for type "message" to
see all the different places you can hook your own code into.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat May 16 12:44:37 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: Gender and spam
Message-ID: <530442.36867.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Lovely - I'm away for a few days, and I seem to have undergone a gender re-alignment and my quartam.com spam-filter has gone berserk :-)

For those who are wondering about my first name, it's the Dutch/Flemish equivalent of "John" and the English word I can find that matches the pronunciation is "yawn" - which, I guess, is boring enough to fit my profile of being a developer of accounting and order processing applications *grin*.

You can also imagine the relief oy my partner's parents the first time I met them after they saw my name in writing - their daughter hadn't turned into a full-time lesbian after all...

Returning to more serious matters - if you've also suffered from the overactive spam-filter, do not hesitate to resend your email with CC to: janschenkel AT yahoo DOT com

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)





      


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat May 16 13:43:33 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:43:33 +0200
Subject: SortDataByKey
Message-ID: <E89E2852-A63B-4047-92ED-0AAC585B71F6@skynet.be>

Hi list,

I'm trying to sort a "form" data grid on a "system date" type
I use the SortDataByKey command
but I have no success with ...!
Can someone help me ?

Thanks.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat May 16 17:36:49 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:36:49 +0200
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <4A0C4EA6.4090205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1izu1bi.193tw3k1400h2vM%mcdomi@free.fr>

J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> <http://jacque.on-rev.com/jacque/jacque.html>

I do like the flowers slideshow on your on-rev home page :-)



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat May 16 23:39:07 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:39:07 -0400
Subject: Sort by a column in a form DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>
References: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 14, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> I have a form with a date column
>
> I'd like a handler to sort the form by the "date" column, "dateTime"  
> and using the "usesystemDate" to true
>
> How can I perfomr that ?

Here you go Yves.

How Do I Sort Records By A Specific Key's Values?

<https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4272-How-Do-I-Sort-Records-By-A-Specific-a-Key-s-Values- 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat May 16 23:45:26 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:45:26 -0400
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C6333416.181%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C6333416.181%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <89E5784D-B090-48F7-9C3F-C1D2D8E2BECD@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 15, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Thanks, is there a way to have data in a row without showing or in a  
> hidden
> fld that I should be able to access?

If you are using a data grid form then whether or not you show all of  
the array keys that are passed to FillInData is up to you. You can  
always get all values of a row using dgDataOfLine/dgDataOfIndex. See  
an example here:

<https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3641-How-Do-I-Get-Data-Associated-With-a-Line- 
 >

If you are using data grid table then you can toggle the visibility of  
each column but you can still get those column values using  
dgDataOfLine/dgDataOfIndex.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 17 01:17:26 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:17:26 -0500
Subject: Gender [was: Re: Cancel a repeat with a button]
In-Reply-To: <1izu1bi.193tw3k1400h2vM%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1izu1bi.193tw3k1400h2vM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4A0F9DE6.2060309@hyperactivesw.com>

Dom wrote:
> J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> <http://jacque.on-rev.com/jacque/jacque.html>
> 
> I do like the flowers slideshow on your on-rev home page :-)

Thank you. They are all from my gardens.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun May 17 01:23:43 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:23:43 -0700
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <20090517052345.NEZK13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

No answer?  Maybe i should make my question more clear...

I would like to write code that reacts dynamically to any changes made to objects in any stack.  I would like to do this without polling (without running a constant backround loop that checks every property of every object).  In order to do this efficiently, i would have to recieve legitimate events from the interpreter... as the changes are made.  But not every property generates a message when it is changed.  Button and fields respond as a matter of course to user interaction (messages are sent).  But many more properties do not generate events when they are set or changed.  As a result, a scripter has to detect these changes and react to them within each of the scripts they write.  This is cumbersome to say the least.  

If there was a convention for specifying which properties to watch... Which property changes that will initiate messages, then the programmer could write general purpose handlers to catch said event messages, greatly simplifying dynamic environment authoring.

Such a system could be used to customize the official event monitoring loop such that the interpretor would only pay attention to events of interest to a given stack.

One would "track" a prop
-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/15/2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?

Can one tell rev to watch for and send an event associated with any property delta?

on setupevents
  track fillpat
end setupevents

on fillpat, target
  do something to target
end fillpat

-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Actuall, in supercard the universal property is called "textarrows".  If it is on, edit mode won't nudge objects with arrowkey input.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/14/2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects

Thanks Guys. Just glad my memory hadn't gone on the fritz. I still  
can't see why it's not working for me now, but not worth  worrying  
about so long as I know it'll eventually work.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> Right, the official object of focus isnt influenced by what the  
> developer or user is looking at at any particular moment (no matter  
> how hard one looks at something).  This has tripped me up a million  
> times.  Then the question is how to make sure (by script) that the  
> object of interest is the object of focus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry Judd" <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 5/14/2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Arrow Keys moving Objects
>
> Joe - the arrow keys work fine here with 3.5. Are you sure there isn't
> something else that has focus (like a field in the property  
> inspector or the
> message box) that could be eating up the arrowkey message?
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 15/05/09 11:06 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Whom-so-ever:
>>
>> I seem to recall that if you have an object selected in the IDE that
>> you can adjust its location a pixel at a time with the arrow keys. In
>> 3.5 it no longer does that. Is there a preference someplace that  
>> turns
>> that off?
>>


[truncated by sender]


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun May 17 05:01:59 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:01:59 +0100
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
In-Reply-To: <20090517052345.NEZK13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090517052345.NEZK13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905170201y292c52fds81027f259f58ccaf@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe this enhancement request from 2005 suit your needs:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3126

A SetProp handler on an object's properties would then be able to let
you know when a property has changed.

Bernard

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> not every property generates a message when it is changed. ?Button and fields respond as a matter of course to user interaction (messages are sent). ?But many more properties do not generate events when they are set or changed. ?As a result, a scripter has to detect these changes and react to them within each of the scripts they write. ?This is cumbersome to say the least.
[snip]
> One would "track" a prop


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun May 17 09:03:44 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:03:44 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Rev Mentor Top Ten - video, charts, analyzer stack
Message-ID: <7C66E37C-1240-472A-9759-49827F2B6FDA@me.com>

Revolutionistostados,

Here, my crunchy friends, is a link to the Rev Mentor Top Ten:

    http://www.revmentor.com/revolution-top-ten-video-charts-and-analyzer-5

It's an analysis of the emails posted to this list. When you click on  
that link above, you will have access to the following:

1. Five charts showing the top ten topics, authors, terms
2. A 3.5 minute video commentary on the posts and some of the statistics
3. The stack I use to do the analysis. Some people use this to read  
the week's postings to the list.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Host of Rev Mentor
http://www.revmentor.com


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun May 17 11:29:36 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:29:36 +0200
Subject: Sort by a column in a form DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>
	<9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>


Le 17-mai-09 ? 05:39, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

>>
>> How can I perfomr that ?
>
> Here you go Yves.
>
> How Do I Sort Records By A Specific Key's Values?
>
> <https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4272-How-Do-I-Sort-Records-By-A-Specific-a-Key-s-Values- 
> >
>


Re,

YES ! YES ! YES !

It works fine

Tank you Trevor for giving us such a faboulous tool

BUT

I meet a strange behavior

I have a substack with a form datagrid
I call the substack from a main stack
in the main stack I have a btn which takes info from a text file thne  
convert it to a multidimentional array and then go to the cd of the  
substack as sheet

The form dgGrid is empty !
I have to move the scroll of the group and the data does appear  
correctly  in the form with appropriate layout.
What happens ????


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From DunbarX at aol.com  Sun May 17 11:52:06 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:52:06 EDT
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <c8a.3bf20aed.37418ca6@aol.com>

Rnadall:

So ideally this has to be a universal message that contains within its 
parameters:

- any message generated from either the system or by the user.
- any property change, including wishList types like "thetextChanged".

So you can write:

on GestaltMsg theMessage,theObject,theDefaultStackPathName
   doStuff
end GestaltMsg

This sounds like a great idea, something that ties the whole of the IDE 
together. Of course, these uberMessages will be generated constantly; for 
example, would even "idle" send the new gizmo?

But it seems like a natural thing to have.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 5/17/09 5:02:21 AM, bdrunrev at gmail.com writes:


> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
> 




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From barryb at libero.it  Sun May 17 11:52:44 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:52:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Repeat loop testing
Message-ID: <21171000.1476631242575564686.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

On a single card I aim to have the following repeat structure called from 
several buttons.
Objects with a certain word in the name should move with 
respect to many others. 

Each object has custom properties which determine the 
locs it should move to, ending up at a unique point - it's 'berth'

 on mouseUp

    repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of this card
      if "ball" is 
not in the name of image x then
       next repeat
        else 
    set the 
layer of image x to bottom
    wait for 3 ticks
    set the loc of image x to 
the harbour of image x
    set the layer of image x to top
    wait for 3 ticks

   move image x to the berth of image x
   end if
end repeat
end mouseUp

For 
test purposes, I have set up a simple stack with just 4 objects represented by 

images of billiard balls.

The red, green and yellow  balls only should:
1- go 
to bottom layer
2- move to CP harbour
3- return to top layer
4- move to CP 
berth.
---------------------------
Things that have happened on a single 
mouseUp:

1 ball at random, goes bottom then goes to the harbour loc but stays 
there at bottom;
another does the same but comes to top; the third goes 
directly to its berth loc 
without leaving the top layer.
A blue ball that does 
not have "ball" in it's name should not move - but if it has the 
same 
custprops, it does!

At present I repeatedly get this error:
...........
Type	
Object: coordinate is not a point
Object	Button
Line	set the loc of image x to 
the harbour of image x
Hint	button id 1009 of card id 1002 of stack "C:
/Programmi/Revolution Studio/ballteststack.rev"
...........
However, if I close 
the script errors and clic again, the loop will step through and 
each ball 
will eventually go to the CP which "is not a point".

For the prognosis of my 
mental health, if this question does not already demonstrate 
unrepairable 
damage, please take a look at the stack 'ballteststack' available on the 
old 
revOnline under 'BarryB'

Somebody here will probably say this question should 
have required only 2 lines :-)
I bet the answer does!

Thanks in advance
Barry


From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 17 12:13:51 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:13:51 -0400
Subject: Repeat loop testing
In-Reply-To: <21171000.1476631242575564686.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <21171000.1476631242575564686.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <E1397343-C2D7-423B-A65F-990E568FF01F@rcn.com>


On May 17, 2009, at 11:52 AM, barryb at libero.it wrote:

> Somebody here will probably say this question should
> have required only 2 lines :-)
> I bet the answer does!

I searched the message for "?" and couldn't find one, making me wonder  
if there was a question at all!

Meanwhile, the answer is one line:

Don't change the layer of the image, doing that will make it no longer  
be "image x", and you end up addressing the wrong image.




From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun May 17 13:01:06 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:01:06 -0700
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <20090517170108.VPVY13111.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Yes, the scriptor determines which property(s) are to be tracked and importantly, which are not.  I dont know how the run time engine works right now.. Does it look ahead for all handlers and only bother to send messages that have handlers to recieve them?  In my scheme, one would specifically identify which properties to track (filtering for target objects:

On setup
   Track loc of polygon graphics
   Untrack mouseenter
   Untrack mouseleave
   Track fillfore
   Track points
   Track card order
End setup

On fillfore, target
   If the type of target is polygon
   Then
      Do this
   Else
      Do the other thing
End fillfore
  
On keyisdown thekey
   If thekey is in "rightarrow,leftarrow"
   Then
      Track keyisup thekey
   End if
End keyisdown

On keyisup, thekey
   If thekey is "rightarrow"
   Then
      Nudge the target ...
   Else
      Other nudge...
   End if
   Untrack keyisup thekey
End keyisup

 
-----Original Message-----
From: DunbarX at aol.com
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: 5/17/2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Rev suport user defined events?

Rnadall:

So ideally this has to be a universal message that contains within its 
parameters:

- any message generated from either the system or by the user.
- any property change, including wishList types like "thetextChanged".

So you can write:

on GestaltMsg theMessage,theObject,theDefaultStackPathName
   doStuff
end GestaltMsg

This sounds like a great idea, something that ties the whole of the IDE 
together. Of course, these uberMessages will be generated constantly; for 
example, would even "idle" send the new gizmo?

But it seems like a natural thing to have.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 5/17/09 5:02:21 AM, bdrunrev at gmail.com writes:


> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
> 




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From DunbarX at aol.com  Sun May 17 13:23:01 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:23:01 EDT
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <d5b.46c9911d.3741a1f5@aol.com>

In HC, and I would bet in Rev, messages are sent regardless of whether 
there is a handler to trap them. If none, the message passes right through the 
engine into the ether. I don't know if there would be a savings in overhead 
to discard such messages at the outset; I suppose it would not hurt. At 
compile time Rev would have to examine all scripts everywhere, checking for 
matches.

But are you suggesting that the engine limit itself in this way for the 
sake of streamlining? I like your idea of adding a superMessage, but I also 
like the idea that messages come and go, trapped, or not, at the whim of the 
scriptor.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 5/17/09 1:01:36 PM, randall at randallreetz.com writes:


> Does it look ahead for all handlers and only bother to send messages that 
> have handlers to recieve them?? In my scheme, one would specifically 
> identify which properties to track (filtering for target objects:
> 




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From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 17 13:47:32 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:47:32 -0400
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
In-Reply-To: <d5b.46c9911d.3741a1f5@aol.com>
References: <d5b.46c9911d.3741a1f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CC22458-82DB-4DBC-9C64-E4422A7AB94E@rcn.com>

Pretty sure there's a hierarchy, and higher level things only get sent  
the event if your lower level things did a "pass whatever".


From barryb at libero.it  Sun May 17 14:07:56 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:07:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Repeat loop test
Message-ID: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

On 17 May 2009 12:13:51 -0400 Colin Holgate wrote:
>I searched the message for 
"?" and couldn't find one, making me wonder if there was a question at all!

>Meanwhile, the answer is one line:
>Don't change the layer of the image, doing 
that will make it no longer be "image x", and you end up addressing the wrong 
image.

OK, here is the question. 
What should I do to attain the required 
results as described?

The answer you gave me is undoubtably valid but it just 
means that, once again, what I want to do is impossible (for me) in Revolution 
and so reduces to 'Trash the project'.

Thanks for such a quick reply.
Barry 
Barber


From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 17 14:37:02 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:37:02 -0400
Subject: Repeat loop test
In-Reply-To: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <2044D131-99BF-4CE5-A65F-B1320A5620E0@rcn.com>


On May 17, 2009, at 2:07 PM, barryb at libero.it wrote:

> OK, here is the question.
> What should I do to attain the required
> results as described?


Try this:

on mouseUp
    put empty into balls
    repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of this card
       if "ball" is in the name of image x then put the name of image  
x & return after balls
    end repeat
    repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in balls
       put line x of balls into thisball
       set the layer of image thisball to bottom
       wait for 3 ticks
       set the loc of image thisball to the harbour of image thisball
       set the layer of image thisball to top
       wait for 3 ticks
       move image thisball to the berth of image thisball
    end repeat
end mouseUp





From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun May 17 14:47:31 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Repeat loop test
In-Reply-To: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <23586378.post@talk.nabble.com>


Barry,

what Colin is saying is that you refer to the images by their number. As
soon as you change the layer of an image its number will be different. So
that is why the blue ball, which has no harbour gets called, even though you
tried to avoid it, because all of a sudden blue ball will be image x. 
I changed your script to use the names of the balls:

----------------
 on mouseUp
    repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of this card
    put the short name of image x into tShortName
      if "ball" is not in the name of image x then
       next repeat
        else 
    set the layer of image tShortName to bottom
    wait for 3 ticks
    set the loc of image tShortName to the harbour of image tShortName
    set the layer of image tShortName to top
    wait for 3 ticks
   move image x to the berth of image tShortName
   end if
    end repeat
 end mouseUp
---------------------

This works for you test stack on revOnline version up to 3.0 

try to reference the balls by their name as I did in the script and you are
set to go.
regards
Bernd




barryb at libero.it wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, here is the question. 
> What should I do to attain the required 
> results as described?
> 
> The answer you gave me is undoubtably valid but it just 
> means that, once again, what I want to do is impossible (for me) in
> Revolution 
> and so reduces to 'Trash the project'.
> 
> Thanks for such a quick reply.
> Barry 
> Barber
> 
> 

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From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 17 14:53:17 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:53:17 -0400
Subject: Repeat loop test
In-Reply-To: <23586378.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
	<23586378.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8E8D3D74-B558-4033-A054-3C2805451EBA@rcn.com>


On May 17, 2009, at 2:47 PM, BNig wrote:

>
>    repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of this card
>    put the short name of image x into tShortName

I fear that you did not test your suggestion. x has still changed, and  
referring to it by the name doesn't help.




From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun May 17 15:10:45 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Repeat loop test
In-Reply-To: <8E8D3D74-B558-4033-A054-3C2805451EBA@rcn.com>
References: <12549382.1476111242583676573.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
	<23586378.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<8E8D3D74-B558-4033-A054-3C2805451EBA@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <23586597.post@talk.nabble.com>


Colin,

I did test it and it looked funny, at least it didnt throw an error and the
blue ball was left alone.
But you are absolutely right, I did not understand what he was trying to do
and did not understand the script enough. Your script works allright and the
movement of the balls make sense now.
Sorry Barry
regards
Bernd


Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2009, at 2:47 PM, BNig wrote:
> 
>>
>>    repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of this card
>>    put the short name of image x into tShortName
> 
> I fear that you did not test your suggestion. x has still changed, and  
> referring to it by the name doesn't help.
> 
> 

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun May 17 15:30:24 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:30:24 -0700
Subject: Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <20090517193025.BUDY7442.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Well there is a difference between the "conceptual scheme" of message passing and the actuality of message passing.  Least i hope there is (else rev could be made way way way faster)!   

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To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/17/2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Rev suport user defined events?

Pretty sure there's a hierarchy, and higher level things only get sent  
the event if your lower level things did a "pass whatever".
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun May 17 16:46:41 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:46:41 +0200
Subject: Sort by a column in a form DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>
References: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>
	<9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>
	<BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <386FB427-8632-4C2C-AD44-1D91D23B0C14@skynet.be>


Le 17-mai-09 ? 17:29, Yves COPPE a ?crit :

>
> Le 17-mai-09 ? 05:39, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :
>
>>>
>>> How can I perfomr that ?
>>
>> Here you go Yves.
>>
>> How Do I Sort Records By A Specific Key's Values?
>>
>> <https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4272-How-Do-I-Sort-Records-By-A-Specific-a-Key-s-Values- 
>> >
>>
>
>
> I meet a strange behavior
>
> I have a substack with a form datagrid
> I call the substack from a main stack
> in the main stack I have a btn which takes info from a text file  
> thne convert it to a multidimentional array and then go to the cd of  
> the substack as sheet
>
> The form dgGrid is empty !
> I have to move the scroll of the group and the data does appear  
> correctly  in the form with appropriate layout.
> What happens ????
>


Hi !

I've found the solution :

    send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid 1"

and the data appear properly



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Sun May 17 19:49:53 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:49:53 -0700
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <89E5784D-B090-48F7-9C3F-C1D2D8E2BECD@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C635F0B1.1C4%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

First of all Thanks, I realize that if the dgText is set when a columns
visibility is set to false then I can NOT get the text of that cell or
column, is that the way it supposed to be?
In other words I have to..
set the dgColumnIsVisible[column_name] of group "lst_fld"  to true
Then set the dgText of group "data grid"
set the dgColumnIsVisible[column_name] of group "lst_fld"  to false
Other wise it doesn't pick up the text of that column or fld.

Thanks, Hershel
>> 
> 
> If you are using data grid table then you can toggle the visibility of
> each column but you can still get those column values using
> dgDataOfLine/dgDataOfIndex.
> 
> Regards,




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Sun May 17 22:28:23 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:28:23 -0700
Subject: Standalone
Message-ID: <C63615D7.1C7%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi, I have a few questions re standalone.
1 when I compile on a windows for a mac it doesn?t work on a mac 10.5.6
And the decorations don?t work the way I set it up e.g. Title,  minimize
doesn?t work its completely blocked out
And when I compile from a mac the the decorations are good only on the mac
side  and on windows not.
Thanks, Hershel


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun May 17 23:13:21 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:13:21 +0800
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <B4FF4E82-6FDC-4880-9923-D2A199C89A75@unil.ch>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
	<323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
	<E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
	<3E6E654C-79A8-4FDA-963C-A745C4DC7390@major.on-rev.com>
	<B4FF4E82-6FDC-4880-9923-D2A199C89A75@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <f73a98160905172013y47f992ceo7328cccd2c81f2ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jacques Hausser
<jacques.hausser at unil.ch>wrote:

>
> Yes it is tempting. As the timer runs in the background, this front script
> should reinitialize a GRemainingTime global (or a CP if you are
> globalophobic - I'm not). But, depending of what the user is doing, I want
> to set different values for the reinitialisation, therefore a second global
> or CP...
> I'll look. Many thanks anyway.
>
> Probably a little late, but what about handling this in reverse. In every
user action script, start with a 'cancel' command and at the end of every
script finish with a 'send' command.

The idea is that at the end of the user doing something, the script will
automatically instigate the reinitialisation in a given time, say:

send myReinit to stack "myStack" in 300 sec

At the beginning of a script where the user has done something, the script
will cancel the reinitialisation:

cancel item 1 of the last line of the pendingMessages

For different actions you can have different send in times, ie if it opens a
field full of text it might be 600 sec, but if it activates a 2 sec sound
bite you might send in 60 sec.

The only tricky bit is that for the very first action there is no
pendingMessage to cancel, and, although you theoretically should never get
out of sync it might be worthwhile using an all encompassing cancel
function, something like:

FUNCTION reInitMonitor
  --if no pending messages, nothing happens
   repeat until the pendingMessages is empty
      cancel item 1 of line 1 of the pendingMessages
    end repeat
end reInitMonitor

THIS ASSUMES YOU ARE NOT USING 'SEND' FOR SOMETHING ELSE!!!! If you are,
then you'd need to keep track of the send ID and only cancel the appropriate
IDs.

So in summary:

on mouseUp
  --cancel any impending reinitialisation
  reInitMonitor

  --do all your stuff here

  --set up a new reinitialisation
  send myReInit to stack "myStack" in 300 sec
end mouseUp

Look in the Dictionary under, cancel, send and pendingMessages

HTH


From swartart at iafrica.com  Mon May 18 02:07:17 2009
From: swartart at iafrica.com (Ryno Swart)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:07:17 +0200
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
In-Reply-To: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>


For years I have had a movie clip of birdsong in Venice. It is  
exquisite, crisp and clear, but very faint. Is there some way I can  
raise the volume? I have iMovie, and assorted audio shareware, but I  
cannot make it happen. I know that a number of revolutionaries are  
working with sound, and I would appreciate any help.

Ryno
http://artistvision.org
http://croptoolapplication.com/


From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon May 18 02:26:47 2009
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:26:47 +1000
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
In-Reply-To: <F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
	<F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <4A10FFA7.8020007@harryscollar.com>

Hi Ryno

You can easily use something like audacity (free)..
http://audacity.sourceforge.net

.. import/select the faint region and apply the "amiplify" effect.

Depending on how faint the original is you may want to apply a noise 
reduction filter too.

It's fun playing with sound :)

regards
alex

Ryno Swart wrote:
> 
> For years I have had a movie clip of birdsong in Venice. It is 
> exquisite, crisp and clear, but very faint. Is there some way I can 
> raise the volume? I have iMovie, and assorted audio shareware, but I 
> cannot make it happen. I know that a number of revolutionaries are 
> working with sound, and I would appreciate any help.
> 
> Ryno
> http://artistvision.org
> http://croptoolapplication.com/
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon May 18 04:17:33 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:17:33 +0200
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
In-Reply-To: <F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
	<F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <9DDD8809-6AB6-4039-802E-301E8B53855A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ryno,

In QT there is something like movie properties, which lets you change  
balance and volume among other things.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 18 mei 2009, at 08:07, Ryno Swart wrote:

>
> For years I have had a movie clip of birdsong in Venice. It is  
> exquisite, crisp and clear, but very faint. Is there some way I can  
> raise the volume? I have iMovie, and assorted audio shareware, but I  
> cannot make it happen. I know that a number of revolutionaries are  
> working with sound, and I would appreciate any help.
>
> Ryno
> http://artistvision.org
> http://croptoolapplication.com/




From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 18 04:37:31 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 04:37:31 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Signup
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
Message-ID: <gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>

Bob,

Most hosting services require you to bring a domain to the table and then 
set you up under that. For example, you have "mydomain.com" and your login 
becomes mydomaincom. The hosting service defaults to hosting that domain.

On-Rev asks you for a "Desired Username/Subdomain" which is explained (at 
the bottom) of the order page as follows:

"When ordering enter the single word subdomain (max 25 characters) that you 
would like for your subdomain name. This will resolve as 
[subdomain].on-rev.com and you will have email addresses of 
[name]@[subdomain].on-rev.com. This will be used as one of the basic ways we 
identify your account. Of course you'll be able to add additional domains 
once your account is set up."

In other words, if you select "bill" as your subdomain, you will 
automatically have

bill[at]bill.on-rev.com as an email, and
http://bill.on-rev.com as your web site

Without needing to purchase/register a true standalone domain.

Yes, you certainly CAN bring your own domains over, as many of them as you 
want, and host them with on-Rev. It's simply not required.

Static IP addresses are a completely separate issue from domain names, and 
can be purchased as an add-on for people who require them. Most people don't 
need them.


"Bob Sneidar" wrote in message 
news:AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767 at twft.com...
>I am going to look like a dope asking, but does anyone know what the 
>On-Rev signup subdomain and domain fields are asking of me? Is on-rev 
>offering to set and host a brand new domain for me? If so, what is the  IP 
>range? I know I can't just pick a random one.





From mcdomi at free.fr  Mon May 18 04:41:12 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:41:12 +0200
Subject: On-Rev links
In-Reply-To: <211F6FCE-E739-4F1C-8D50-321D91089986@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <1izwq7a.jgvg3koe6akpM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr> wrote:

> > I noted, though, that the mail hosting was less than satisfactory
> > -- but I am not sure whether it's on-rev's fault, or Orange's fault!
> > (I live in France, and Orange ex-France Telecom is my ISP)
> >
> Then you should use smtp-msa.orange.fr with password identification  
> enabled.

Tout va bien, c'?tait Orange qui avait une crise de hoquets ;->
N'importe, j'ai mis compte principal en "authentifi?" :-)

En ce qui concerne On-Rev, je m'y mets lentement, car tout cela est
nouveau pour moi (le web hosting)


All is OK now, that was my ISP Orange, who had some hiccups ;->
As for On-Rev, I am trying it leasurely, as it is all new for me.



From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon May 18 07:46:37 2009
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:46:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>
	<F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>
	<9DDD8809-6AB6-4039-802E-301E8B53855A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090518T113947-652@post.gmane.org>

Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at ...> writes:

> 
> Hi Ryno,
> 
> In QT there is something like movie properties, which lets you change  
> balance and volume among other things.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
> 
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 18 mei 2009, at 08:07, Ryno Swart wrote:
> 
> >
> > For years I have had a movie clip of birdsong in Venice. It is  
> > exquisite, crisp and clear, but very faint. Is there some way I can  
> > raise the volume? I have iMovie, and assorted audio shareware, but I  
> > cannot make it happen. I know that a number of revolutionaries are  
> > working with sound, and I would appreciate any help.
> >
> > Ryno
> > http://artistvision.org
> > http://croptoolapplication.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at ...
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and 
manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 

If you have the movie displayed in a quicktime player 
in a revolution stack or in a web page with a 
quicktime controller in  safari and in other applications  
you can increase the playback volume up to 
300%.  To do that press the shift key while clicking 
the volume control in the Quicktime movie 
controller.  This will reveal an extended volume 
slider with tick marks at 100% and 200%.  You can drag 
the slider up to overdrive the audio up to 3x.

Martin









From wow at together.net  Mon May 18 09:43:19 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:43:19 -0400
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
In-Reply-To: <loom.20090518T113947-652@post.gmane.org>
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>	<F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>	<9DDD8809-6AB6-4039-802E-301E8B53855A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<loom.20090518T113947-652@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A1165F7.50300@together.net>

Thanks, Martin! All my years of playing with Quicktime, I never knew 
this little feature was in there. Very cool. Any more hidden tricks like 
this?

Best,
Richard Miller


Martin Koob wrote:
> Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at ...> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi Ryno,
>>
>> In QT there is something like movie properties, which lets you change  
>> balance and volume among other things.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>> http://www.salery.biz
>> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>>
>> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
>> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>>
>> On 18 mei 2009, at 08:07, Ryno Swart wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> For years I have had a movie clip of birdsong in Venice. It is  
>>> exquisite, crisp and clear, but very faint. Is there some way I can  
>>> raise the volume? I have iMovie, and assorted audio shareware, but I  
>>> cannot make it happen. I know that a number of revolutionaries are  
>>> working with sound, and I would appreciate any help.
>>>
>>> Ryno
>>> http://artistvision.org
>>> http://croptoolapplication.com/
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at ...
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and 
>>     
> manage your subscription preferences:
>   
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>>     
>
> If you have the movie displayed in a quicktime player 
> in a revolution stack or in a web page with a 
> quicktime controller in  safari and in other applications  
> you can increase the playback volume up to 
> 300%.  To do that press the shift key while clicking 
> the volume control in the Quicktime movie 
> controller.  This will reveal an extended volume 
> slider with tick marks at 100% and 200%.  You can drag 
> the slider up to overdrive the audio up to 3x.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon May 18 10:20:15 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:20:15 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>

Hi Guys,

So, I take it that the On-Rev servers are located in the UK?

What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
What's the latency?

I run my own servers already, and I'd like to put together
my own Rev Server too.  Should I wait for version 4.0
of Rev to do this so that the bugs are out of the system,
and there are good instructions available?

Thank you for your thoughts.

Rick




From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May 18 10:34:11 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 04:34:11 -1000
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c9d7c5$b67ca140$2375e3c0$@com>

They are in Texas, USA. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harrison
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:20 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: On-Rev Signup
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> So, I take it that the On-Rev servers are located in the UK?
> 
> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
> What's the latency?
> 
> I run my own servers already, and I'd like to put together
> my own Rev Server too.  Should I wait for version 4.0
> of Rev to do this so that the bugs are out of the system,
> and there are good instructions available?
> 
> Thank you for your thoughts.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon May 18 10:51:17 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:51:17 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <000e01c9d7c5$b67ca140$2375e3c0$@com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
	<000e01c9d7c5$b67ca140$2375e3c0$@com>
Message-ID: <99D32635-90D1-49C7-910C-8FAF566DE6A5@all-auctions.com>

Hi Jim,

Texas is at least much closer than then UK!
Why Texas?

Thanks,

Rick


On May 18, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> They are in Texas, USA.
>



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May 18 10:53:37 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:53:37 -0400
Subject: Sort by a column in a form DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <386FB427-8632-4C2C-AD44-1D91D23B0C14@skynet.be>
References: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>
	<9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>
	<BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>
	<386FB427-8632-4C2C-AD44-1D91D23B0C14@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <AF0CC868-D3EC-462A-9B7A-0D9F55D4E920@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 17, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Le 17-mai-09 ? 17:29, Yves COPPE a ?crit :
>>
>> I meet a strange behavior
>>
>> I have a substack with a form datagrid
>> I call the substack from a main stack
>> in the main stack I have a btn which takes info from a text file  
>> thne convert it to a multidimentional array and then go to the cd  
>> of the substack as sheet
>>
>> The form dgGrid is empty !
>> I have to move the scroll of the group and the data does appear  
>> correctly  in the form with appropriate layout.
>> What happens ????
>>
>
> I've found the solution :
>
>   send "ResetList" to group "DataGrid 1"
>
> and the data appear properly

Yves,

I'm glad you got things working but I would be interested in knowing  
the flow of your code that led to the data not being displayed when  
you expected it to. If you get a moment to email me off-list with the  
exact calls you were making and when you made them, as well as the  
result you saw that would be helpful.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May 18 11:02:25 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:02:25 -0400
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C635F0B1.1C4%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C635F0B1.1C4%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <19F92406-57CB-427C-9B6F-DD855FBD9182@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 17, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> First of all Thanks, I realize that if the dgText is set when a  
> columns
> visibility is set to false then I can NOT get the text of that cell or
> column, is that the way it supposed to be?
> In other words I have to..
> set the dgColumnIsVisible[column_name] of group "lst_fld"  to true
> Then set the dgText of group "data grid"
> set the dgColumnIsVisible[column_name] of group "lst_fld"  to false
> Other wise it doesn't pick up the text of that column or fld.

When setting the dgText property you can pass in the columns that each  
item in your data should map to. You do this by making row 1 the  
column names and setting pFirstLineContainsHeaders to true:

set the dgText [true] of group "DataGrid" to theTextWithColumnMappings

By doing this you don't have to worry about the visible state of the  
column.

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3461-Data-Grid-API 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 18 11:06:10 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:06:10 -0700
Subject: Re" Rev suport user defined events?
Message-ID: <4A117962.6030007@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:
> In HC, and I would bet in Rev, messages are sent regardless of whether 
> there is a handler to trap them. If none, the message passes right through the 
> engine into the ether. I don't know if there would be a savings in overhead 
> to discard such messages at the outset; I suppose it would not hurt. At 
> compile time Rev would have to examine all scripts everywhere, checking for 
> matches.

There are tradeoffs both ways, one in sending unused messages and the 
other in setting up flags for which messages get sent.

Rev generally sends all messages regardless whether they're handled or 
not, with a few exceptions:

- idle: it's far more efficient to use "send <message> in <time>" so 
this message is only sent if you have an idle handler in your message path.

- mouseWithin: mouseMove is much more efficient, so this message is only 
sent to controls which contain a mouseWithin handler.

- messageHandled/messageNotHandled:  undocumented and subject to change, 
these messages are only sent when you set the global property 
messageMessages to true.  They're useful for some logging operations but 
take a toll on overall performance, so the messageMessags is off by default.

Can anyone here think of other messages not normally sent by default?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May 18 11:12:02 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:12:02 -0400
Subject: Re" Rev suport user defined events?
In-Reply-To: <4A117962.6030007@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A117962.6030007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FAB5AD96-1F51-474E-80C7-D8F2C46E34FA@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 18, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Can anyone here think of other messages not normally sent by default?

The new messages that groups can receive: preOpenControl, openControl,  
closeControl and resizeControl.

See the ParentScriptNotes.txt under NEW GROUP MESSAGES.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From spepper at byu.net  Mon May 18 11:16:14 2009
From: spepper at byu.net (Scott Pepperdine)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:16:14 -0600
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net> <4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>

Thanks Victoras,

The data is in a DB2 database, as are a number of stored procedures I 
need to call, so ODBC still seems like the best fit.  I'm also a little 
cautious when it comes to SQLite when the database is reaching the many 
millions of records size.  I know SQLite proponents will swear by it for 
large data sets, but I haven't had time to trial this.

So the question is still 'Will Revolution use fileDSN' configuration to 
access databases using ODBC?

Thank,
--Scott

viktoras d. wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> The simplest way is using SQLite files, then you even do not need 
> ODBC, and this will be 100% crossplatform and works "out of the box".
>
> Best regards
> Viktoras
>
> Scott Pepperdine wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Will Revolution work with a FileDSN to make an ODBC connection to a 
>> database?  I've tried a little without success.  I found some entries 
>> in the Rev forums that concluded that it was broken 
>> (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2382) and they were 
>> going to submit a bug report.  But I could not locate this report in 
>> the QCC.
>>
>> I'd like to make my app self-contained and avoid making the user 
>> configure a DSN, or make registry entries to be able to connect to a 
>> remote database.
>>
>> Any knowledge out there on this subject?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Scott
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon May 18 11:40:09 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:40:09 +0100
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net> <4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>
	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>

Scott, are you sure you want a fileDSN?  The issue in the forum thread
you refer to is about connecting to Access i.e. connecting to a
database as a local file, not a database server.

The person who had the problem in that initial thread then posts a
subsequent thread where he talks about connecting using a system DSN
using a UNC path.  Again, this is probably Access-specific.

Unless you are talking about a situation where you are going to be
installing DB2 on every user's local PC, I don't think you mean a
fileDSN.  In fact, I would say that a fileDSN is a distinctly unusual
way to use ODBC.

Bernard

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Scott Pepperdine <spepper at byu.net> wrote:
> Thanks Victoras,
>
> The data is in a DB2 database, as are a number of stored procedures I need
> to call, so ODBC still seems like the best fit. ?I'm also a little cautious
> when it comes to SQLite when the database is reaching the many millions of
> records size. ?I know SQLite proponents will swear by it for large data
> sets, but I haven't had time to trial this.
>
> So the question is still 'Will Revolution use fileDSN' configuration to
> access databases using ODBC?
>
> Thank,
> --Scott
>
> viktoras d. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> The simplest way is using SQLite files, then you even do not need ODBC,
>> and this will be 100% crossplatform and works "out of the box".
>>
>> Best regards
>> Viktoras
>>
>> Scott Pepperdine wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Will Revolution work with a FileDSN to make an ODBC connection to a
>>> database? ?I've tried a little without success. ?I found some entries in the
>>> Rev forums that concluded that it was broken
>>> (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2382) and they were going
>>> to submit a bug report. ?But I could not locate this report in the QCC.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make my app self-contained and avoid making the user
>>> configure a DSN, or make registry entries to be able to connect to a remote
>>> database.
>>>
>>> Any knowledge out there on this subject?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Scott
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Mon May 18 12:01:39 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:01:39 -0700
Subject: Recover deleted REV files
Message-ID: <1584F1A7-16C3-49A5-9AA4-7D554D84C9C9@pacifier.com>

First off let me explain I am NOT in any way connected to the  
business mentioned below.

I accidentally deleted some files a few months ago and the recovery  
software I already
had would not recover them so after looking around I found Stellar  
Phoenix and gave
it a try.  Some of my files were recovered with their program but not  
all of them and it
not only has the ability to enter specs for more file types to  
recover they also mention
they will help.  So I contacted them and they had me send some  
samples.  They were
not REV files I deleted.  After working on the files they were able  
to recover some of
the files I lost but explained why the other file type was not  
recoverable.

Then I told them I use Revolution which is a programming software and  
if they could
update their software to recover REV files I would leave a post on  
the list for others
using Revolution who might need to recover REV files.  I was happy  
with the files
they recovered for me and told them I do not need to recover REV  
files now so it
isn't a big hurry.  That was about a month ago and today they sent me  
a version to
test.  It recovered the files and the only problem I saw was the name  
was changed
to a number.  You could click on the file and it would open.

Stellar Phoenix

http://www.macintosh-data-recovery.com/buy-now.php


They have downloads you can try but since they just sent me this  
today it probably
will not have the REV file type included yet.  Ask them if you can't  
find it.


-=>JB<=-


From spepper at byu.net  Mon May 18 14:13:06 2009
From: spepper at byu.net (Scott Pepperdine)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:13:06 -0600
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>
	<4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>
	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>

Bernard,  Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what a fileDSN is, but I don't 
believe so.  A DSN is a collection of connection parms used to connect 
to an ODBC compliant data source.  A System DSN and User DSN store that 
information in the Windows Registry.  A file DSN stores that information 
in a file, *.dsn.  That should be the only difference between 
System/User DSNs and a File DSN.  But I have not been able to make this 
work with Revolution.

I have to disagree with your assessment of the forum posting I 
referenced in my original post.  He is trying to access an ODBC 
compliant database.  The fact that it is MS Access in that case is 
irrelevant.  He was trying to connect to it using "revOpenDatabase", not 
as a "local file".  In his subsequent thread he is using a system DSN to 
connect to MS Access.  Again, since he is using a system DSN, he is 
connecting using ODBC to a database server.  The fact that he is using a 
UNC path must be how you specify the path to Access (I'm ignorant of MS 
Access, and hope to stay that way).  But he was originally trying to 
connect to an ODBC database using a fileDSN in Revolution and had to 
give it up.  I may have to do the same.

I do not see why putting the connection parms in a file instead of in 
the registry should be a distinctly unusual way to use ODBC.  It is 
simply a method to make the app self-contained and easier to distribute.

Thanks for the response,
--Scott

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> Scott, are you sure you want a fileDSN?  The issue in the forum thread
> you refer to is about connecting to Access i.e. connecting to a
> database as a local file, not a database server.
>
> The person who had the problem in that initial thread then posts a
> subsequent thread where he talks about connecting using a system DSN
> using a UNC path.  Again, this is probably Access-specific.
>
> Unless you are talking about a situation where you are going to be
> installing DB2 on every user's local PC, I don't think you mean a
> fileDSN.  In fact, I would say that a fileDSN is a distinctly unusual
> way to use ODBC.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Scott Pepperdine <spepper at byu.net> wrote:
>   
>> Thanks Victoras,
>>
>> The data is in a DB2 database, as are a number of stored procedures I need
>> to call, so ODBC still seems like the best fit.  I'm also a little cautious
>> when it comes to SQLite when the database is reaching the many millions of
>> records size.  I know SQLite proponents will swear by it for large data
>> sets, but I haven't had time to trial this.
>>
>> So the question is still 'Will Revolution use fileDSN' configuration to
>> access databases using ODBC?
>>
>> Thank,
>> --Scott
>>
>> viktoras d. wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> The simplest way is using SQLite files, then you even do not need ODBC,
>>> and this will be 100% crossplatform and works "out of the box".
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Viktoras
>>>
>>> Scott Pepperdine wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Will Revolution work with a FileDSN to make an ODBC connection to a
>>>> database?  I've tried a little without success.  I found some entries in the
>>>> Rev forums that concluded that it was broken
>>>> (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2382) and they were going
>>>> to submit a bug report.  But I could not locate this report in the QCC.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to make my app self-contained and avoid making the user
>>>> configure a DSN, or make registry entries to be able to connect to a remote
>>>> database.
>>>>
>>>> Any knowledge out there on this subject?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --Scott
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From webmaster at orion-systems.com  Mon May 18 14:31:41 2009
From: webmaster at orion-systems.com (John Hunter)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:31:41 +0100
Subject: Zip files
In-Reply-To: <BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>
References: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>
	<9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>
	<BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <27E43BE0-FC53-4A48-8BE1-B6A272797486@orion-systems.com>

Hi,

Does anybody know if it's possible to password protect winzip  
compatible zip files using Revolution?.

Thx,

John
  


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 14:47:43 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:47:43 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
Message-ID: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>

I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of 
varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes 
in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or 
otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to 
disk with a much smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD. 
But I need to preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they 
will still print at their actual, original size. I think I need to 
determine the original resolution so that I can calculate the dimensions 
in inches, right? Is there a way to get that?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon May 18 14:52:13 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:52:13 EDT
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
Message-ID: <c31.578a94a3.3743085d@aol.com>

Shouldn't be a problem; just ask Jacques.

In a message dated 5/18/09 2:48:12 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes
> in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or
> otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to
> disk with a much smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD.
> But I need to preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they
> will still print at their actual, original size. I think I need to
> determine the original resolution so that I can calculate the dimensions
> in inches, right? Is there a way to get that?
> 




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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon May 18 14:54:42 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:54:42 +0200
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7D25D3C2-08F2-4165-934E-FDFBFE34C16F@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of  
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted  
> sizes in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image  
> resolution, or otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images  
> can be rewritten to disk with a much smaller footprint in order to  
> fit them on a single CD. But I need to preserve the original  
> dimensions in inches, so that they will still print at their actual,  
> original size. I think I need to determine the original resolution  
> so that I can calculate the dimensions in inches, right? Is there a  
> way to get that?

on the Mac you can use "shell" and "SIPS" to check the resolution and  
change it if necessary.

But simply reducing the resolution does not change the filesize! ;-)

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 15:03:12 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:03:12 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <7D25D3C2-08F2-4165-934E-FDFBFE34C16F@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7D25D3C2-08F2-4165-934E-FDFBFE34C16F@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4A11B0F0.2010300@hyperactivesw.com>

Klaus on-rev wrote:

> But simply reducing the resolution does not change the filesize! ;-)

Oh. Seems like it should, but I'm no expert; I usually let Graphic 
Converter do it. :) Any idea how to reduce the file size while retaining 
the original dimensions then? And how will I know what those dimensions are?

This is a cross-platform app, but mostly sold to Windows users, so a Mac 
shell command won't work. :(

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 15:04:16 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:04:16 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <c31.578a94a3.3743085d@aol.com>
References: <c31.578a94a3.3743085d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A11B130.4080704@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Shouldn't be a problem; just ask Jacques.

I did, but she hasn't a clue. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From barryb at libero.it  Mon May 18 15:31:34 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:31:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Repeat loop test
Message-ID: <6641755.1564091242675094101.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Thank you Colin and Bern for the further suggestions, I think I'm nearly there 
- no, not the mental hospital.

It has been said several times on this list 
that just sending a query helps you think it out yourself.
Following Colins' 
original comments I went back to stage 1 and built a stack with a single named 
ball and it works fine then, with a multiple balls stack, I put the name of 
image x into a variable 'currball' and it also works. BUT....the blue ball is 
ignored and only two others follow the routine described, the second one 
repeating the trip from Harbour to Berth twice! The third one behaves properly 
on a second click of the button and the second ball does its 'double-take' 
again.

I would like to know, for future reference, why there are these 
inconsistencies in, what appear to me, identical objects. (? implied ;-)
I 
shall now try the 2 scripts you have kindly suggested and let you know how I 
get on - I can hear the groans!.

Thanks again
Barry


From coiin at rcn.com  Mon May 18 15:40:56 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:40:56 -0400
Subject: Repeat loop test
In-Reply-To: <6641755.1564091242675094101.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <6641755.1564091242675094101.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <B44CCEC5-57C4-4703-86E1-74133669907F@rcn.com>


On May 18, 2009, at 3:31 PM, barryb at libero.it wrote:

> I would like to know, for future reference, why there are these
> inconsistencies in, what appear to me, identical objects. (?  
> implied ;-)
> I

When you change the layer of an object, and then still refer to a  
particular numbered object, the one in that layer has now changed.  
You'll get various confusing results, depending on the number of  
objects.


> shall now try the 2 scripts you have kindly suggested and let you  
> know how I
> get on - I can hear the groans!.

Only try my one! The other one still had a problem, and may look like  
it works a little better than your original, but it doesn't really.




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Mon May 18 18:40:08 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:40:08 -0700
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <19F92406-57CB-427C-9B6F-DD855FBD9182@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C63731D8.1E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Thanks, didn't get it.
After all done already, when I need data from col 1 row 2 how do I do that?
DgHilitedLine gives me the hilitedLine
put the dgDataOfLine doesn't display any thing.


Thanks, in advanced

On 5/18/09 8:02 AM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On May 17, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> First of all Thanks, I realize that if the dgText is set when a
>> columns
>> visibility is set to false then I can NOT get the text of that cell or
>> column, is that the way it supposed to be?
>> In other words I have to..
>> set the dgColumnIsVisible[column_name] of group "lst_fld"  to true
>> Then set the dgText of group "data grid"

changed code
set the dgText [pFirstLineContainsHeaders] of group "data grid"

>> set the dgColumnIsVisible[column_name] of group "lst_fld"  to false
>> Other wise it doesn't pick up the text of that column or fld.
> 
> When setting the dgText property you can pass in the columns that each
> item in your data should map to. You do this by making row 1 the
> column names and setting pFirstLineContainsHeaders to true:
> 
> set the dgText [true] of group "DataGrid" to theTextWithColumnMappings
> 
> By doing this you don't have to worry about the visible state of the
> column.
> 
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagri
> d/lessons/3461-Data-Grid-API
>> 
> 
> Regards,




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May 18 16:17:49 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:49 -0400
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C63731D8.1E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C63731D8.1E6%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <18F9E2DD-4CDF-4952-8AA8-73CDFA0A8828@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 18, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Thanks, didn't get it.

Do you mean you don't understand how dgText[pFirstLineContainsHeaders]  
works?

> After all done already, when I need data from col 1 row 2 how do I  
> do that?
> DgHilitedLine gives me the hilitedLine
> put the dgDataOfLine doesn't display any thing.

dgDataOfLine is an array so it won't display any text if you just 'put  
the dgDataOfLIne'. Put the dgDataOfLine into a variable and then  
access the keys of the array.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon May 18 16:23:41 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:23:41 +0100
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>	<4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>
Message-ID: <4A11C3CD.7040003@cogapp.com>

I would also be interested if this was possible - and even more so, if it was 
possible to use a DSN-less connection for an ODBC database.

I distribute several apps  for which I have to send people detailed 
instructions on setting up a DSN; it would be far more convenient if I could 
handle this with what in other circumstances I know as a "DSN-less 
connection"; and failing that, I could in effect simulate it by writing out a 
temporary file DSN.

Ben




From mark at marksmith.on-rev.com  Mon May 18 16:50:41 2009
From: mark at marksmith.on-rev.com (mark at marksmith.on-rev.com)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:50:41 +0100
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>

Will increasing the jpeg compression do it? ie. set the jpegQuality  
to 1 -> export img....as jpeg

Best,

Mark

On 18 May 2009, at 19:47, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos  
> of varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted  
> sizes in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image  
> resolution, or otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images  
> can be rewritten to disk with a much smaller footprint in order to  
> fit them on a single CD. But I need to preserve the original  
> dimensions in inches, so that they will still print at their  
> actual, original size. I think I need to determine the original  
> resolution so that I can calculate the dimensions in inches, right?  
> Is there a way to get that?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:53:36 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:53:36 +1000
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rick Harrison
<harrison at all-auctions.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,

Not a guy, but having my say anyway :-)

> So, I take it that the On-Rev servers are located in the UK?

As Jim said, they are in the US. I know the RunRev servers have been
hosted in the US for ages, so I presume that was where they were able
to get the best service/price.

> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
> What's the latency?

Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!

> I run my own servers already, and I'd like to put together
> my own Rev Server too. ?Should I wait for version 4.0
> of Rev to do this so that the bugs are out of the system,
> and there are good instructions available?

At the moment, the On-Rev server stuff is only available through
On-Rev and you cannot install it on your own server. There has been
talk that they may make it available for download in some form and at
some price later.

This has nothing to do with Rev 4.0 - it just allows you to do
server-side scripting in Revolution instead of PHP or Perl or
whatever....

Rev 4.0 is going to introduce the web plugin. This is a different
approach to On-Rev as it will provide a plugin that people can
download to their computers which will allow them to access stacks via
a web browser. On-Rev does not use stacks, but allow you to embed Rev
scripts into a web page directly.

Here are a series of screen casts that should explain in more detail
about On-Rev:
<http://www.screencast.com/users/Runtime_Revolution/folders/On-Rev/>
The final one also shows a glimpse of the web plugin at work.

Cheers,
Sarah


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Mon May 18 19:51:01 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:51:01 -0700
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <18F9E2DD-4CDF-4952-8AA8-73CDFA0A8828@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C6374275.1EB%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi, I really appreciate it looks like I got it.
Again thanks a million, Hershel


On 5/18/09 1:17 PM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On May 18, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, didn't get it.
> 
> Do you mean you don't understand how dgText[pFirstLineContainsHeaders]
> works?
> 
>> After all done already, when I need data from col 1 row 2 how do I
>> do that?
>> DgHilitedLine gives me the hilitedLine
>> put the dgDataOfLine doesn't display any thing.
> 
> dgDataOfLine is an array so it won't display any text if you just 'put
> the dgDataOfLIne'. Put the dgDataOfLine into a variable and then
> access the keys of the array.
> 
> Regards,




From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon May 18 17:32:12 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:32:12 -0300
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905181432j7bcefb3aoba2fbd1d3b555857@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

>> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
>> What's the latency?
>
> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!

In one colorful word... BRAZIL. now, let us not talk about latency
when my ISP had the worst latency in the world and because of DEBTS
had it's own call center DISCONNECTED for a WHOLE MONTH!

yes, ISP with no call center for a month and the network with high
latency and constant disconnects and I working on remote sites by ssh.

now before someone shouts, this is the only ISP that attends my area.
One day, I'll have my own satellites or ocean cable, I do have the
atlantic nearby, now all I need is a very big cable and a friend with
a spare router in africa.

:D





-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 17:34:57 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:34:57 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>

mark at marksmith.on-rev.com wrote:
> Will increasing the jpeg compression do it? ie. set the jpegQuality to 1 
> -> export img....as jpeg

Maybe... I'll have to see if using such a low quality would destroy the 
image entirely. The docs indicate anything under 50 isn't going to look 
too great, but I'll experiment. Thanks for the idea.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Mon May 18 17:46:37 2009
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:46:37 -0400
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905181432j7bcefb3aoba2fbd1d3b555857@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com> 
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com> 
	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c87a2a10905181432j7bcefb3aoba2fbd1d3b555857@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <325413300905181446p516cb8c9n315b62656d2a3a69@mail.gmail.com>

I use Pingdom.com to monitor all of my website accounts (as well as my
home connection) and the on-rev service is actually pretty speedy. Its
got an average access time of 135 ms versus my main business account's
587ms and on the other extreme is my home connection which is 87ms.

Except for the 40 minute outage on 12 May, availability has been 100 percent.

If you need to know how well your websites are performing, you should
give a look at pingdom's service!

Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 242 0911




On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
>>> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
>>> What's the latency?
>>
>> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!
>
> In one colorful word... BRAZIL. now, let us not talk about latency
> when my ISP had the worst latency in the world and because of DEBTS
> had it's own call center DISCONNECTED for a WHOLE MONTH!
>
> yes, ISP with no call center for a month and the network with high
> latency and constant disconnects and I working on remote sites by ssh.
>
> now before someone shouts, this is the only ISP that attends my area.
> One day, I'll have my own satellites or ocean cable, I do have the
> atlantic nearby, now all I need is a very big cable and a friend with
> a spare router in africa.
>
> :D
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon May 18 18:17:04 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:17:04 +1000
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C6381B80.4735%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

There are two possible ways to go...

1. resample the images to reduce the resolution
2. recompress the images

Method one will probably only be of use if the images are already at or
greater than 300 dpi. You could probably resample them to as low as 200 dpi
while still retaining sufficient print quality.

Method two will probably only be really effective if the images are
currently uncompressed. If that's the case then saving them as max or high
quality JPEGs will save you a lot of space without an appreciable loss of
print quality.

Terry...



On 19/05/09 4:47 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes
> in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or
> otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to
> disk with a much smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD.
> But I need to preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they
> will still print at their actual, original size. I think I need to
> determine the original resolution so that I can calculate the dimensions
> in inches, right? Is there a way to get that?



From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Mon May 18 22:03:46 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:03:46 -0700
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C6374275.1EB%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <C6376192.1F3%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi, what causes the names of the header to appear or not? Because in a few
the names appear and a few not and the code is the same I'm wordering.
Thanks, Hershel


On 5/18/09 4:51 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershrev at syp2u4c.com> wrote:

> Hi, I really appreciate it looks like I got it.
> Again thanks a million, Hershel
> 
> 
> On 5/18/09 1:17 PM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> 
>> On May 18, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, didn't get it.
>> 
>> Do you mean you don't understand how dgText[pFirstLineContainsHeaders]
>> works?
>> 
>>> After all done already, when I need data from col 1 row 2 how do I
>>> do that?
>>> DgHilitedLine gives me the hilitedLine
>>> put the dgDataOfLine doesn't display any thing.
>> 
>> dgDataOfLine is an array so it won't display any text if you just 'put
>> the dgDataOfLIne'. Put the dgDataOfLine into a variable and then
>> access the keys of the array.
>> 
>> Regards,
> 
> 
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Mon May 18 19:39:14 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:39:14 -0700
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>
	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>

If you're up for the programming headaches involved, one way to deal  
with very large images is to cut them up into tiles. For example,  
cutting each image into 4 tiles can saving them in JPEG format can be  
considerably smaller than the original image. I believe the  
effectiveness would depend on your content, and of course will only  
work in a compressed format like JPEG where each tile has a chance to  
be optimized by the compression algorithm separately. You could  
potentially load the tiles into a group of image objects and then  
manipulate the whole group at once.

If this is going on a CD, can you not literally use Graphic Converter?  
I believe it is scriptable. If you cut the resolution in half (which  
will double the dimensions), THEN scale to 50% you should end up with  
the original image size with half the resolution.

One last thought, you could attempt to use imageData -- skip every  
other pixel to get "half" resolution and see how the quality turns out.

Hope that helps...

> mark at marksmith.on-rev.com wrote:
>> Will increasing the jpeg compression do it? ie. set the jpegQuality  
>> to 1 -> export img....as jpeg
>
> Maybe... I'll have to see if using such a low quality would destroy  
> the image entirely. The docs indicate anything under 50 isn't going  
> to look too great, but I'll experiment. Thanks for the idea.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From tom.cole at asu.edu  Mon May 18 20:30:35 2009
From: tom.cole at asu.edu (Tom Cole)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:30:35 -0700
Subject: Arrays instead of Sql
Message-ID: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>

I've heard that instead of using a backend like sql to manage a  
database, I could stay in Revolution and use arrays. I know nothing of  
arrays.

I've written here before about a bird database I have. Several times.  
Forgive.

I just have a few items in a record:  
birdname,birdnotes,place,placenotes,date  However, there are about  
18000 birds (records) and I've got them all in one field in Rev now  
and it's too slow to sort.

If I have to learn sql and so on, this may never get done, but if I  
stay in my familiar Rev environment I will be off and running. Is  
there a sample database stack where someone has used arrays to store  
the data for fast retrieval or some related script to help me learn  
how arrays could be used?

How can I place those records in arrays and then draw data to make  
cool sorts and views?  I'm not new at all to Rev; only to arrays.

I just need ideas on how to sort the data fast.

Thanks (again!)
Tom in Arizona


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon May 18 20:51:01 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:51:01 -0700
Subject: Zip files
In-Reply-To: <27E43BE0-FC53-4A48-8BE1-B6A272797486@orion-systems.com>
References: <21BCD599-DB3C-445F-8E1B-0AB6C68D1750@skynet.be>	<9B8086D4-FF76-4825-AF63-F325AED2D064@mangomultimedia.com>	<BC61BEA8-7B70-46D6-8826-97F25A17BF20@skynet.be>
	<27E43BE0-FC53-4A48-8BE1-B6A272797486@orion-systems.com>
Message-ID: <4A120275.4030808@pdslabs.net>

Hi John,
I don't believe there's anything built into Rev's zip code* to support 
password protection on either end of the process. Of course if you're 
writing the apps on both ends, you can encrypt your data before zipping 
it, then decrypt it after unzipping it on the receiving end. But I 
realize you may not have that luxury.

Phil Davis



* the computer programming kind, not the US mail kind.

John Hunter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody know if it's possible to password protect winzip 
> compatible zip files using Revolution?.
>
> Thx,
>
> John 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 18 20:51:05 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:51:05 +1000
Subject: Arrays instead of Sql
In-Reply-To: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>
References: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905181751i22c4a1bcsbdcfb59462017151@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Tom Cole <tom.cole at asu.edu> wrote:
> I've heard that instead of using a backend like sql to manage a database, I
> could stay in Revolution and use arrays. I know nothing of arrays.
>
> I've written here before about a bird database I have. Several times.
> Forgive.
>
> I just have a few items in a record:
> birdname,birdnotes,place,placenotes,date ?However, there are about 18000
> birds (records) and I've got them all in one field in Rev now and it's too
> slow to sort.

Just as a first test, what if you put the data into a custom property
instead of a field?
Use this CP as the data storage and grab what you need as you need it. e.g.

-------------------------------------------------------------
put the cDataStore of this stack into tData   -- grab the complete
data set out of the custom property into a variable
filter tData with "*" & fld "Filter" & "*"   -- assuming you want to
extract a sub-set
set the itemDel to tab  -- or whatever delimits your columns
sort lines of tData by item 2 of each   -- choose the column to sort by

put tData into fld "Display"  -- show the final results
-------------------------------------------------------------

Even if you end up with the complete set of data after the filter,
sorting a variable is enormously faster than sorting a field.
And getting data out of or into a custom property is again, greatly
faster than for a field.
I have done this successfully with multiple CPs each holding about
40,000 records and operations only take miliseconds.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May 18 20:55:04 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:55:04 -0400
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C6376192.1F3%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C6376192.1F3%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <CF3ABABB-29C3-4F4B-884F-25E59A0DEEE8@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 18, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi, what causes the names of the header to appear or not? Because in  
> a few
> the names appear and a few not and the code is the same I'm wordering.

There is no setting that affects whether individual headers show or  
not. Perhaps you have the label for those columns set to a space?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon May 18 21:02:01 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:02:01 -0700
Subject: Arrays instead of Sql
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905181751i22c4a1bcsbdcfb59462017151@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>
	<f99b52860905181751i22c4a1bcsbdcfb59462017151@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A120509.8090704@pdslabs.net>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Tom Cole <tom.cole at asu.edu> wrote:
>   
>> I've heard that instead of using a backend like sql to manage a database, I
>> could stay in Revolution and use arrays. I know nothing of arrays.
>>
>> I've written here before about a bird database I have. Several times.
>> Forgive.
>>
>> I just have a few items in a record:
>> birdname,birdnotes,place,placenotes,date  However, there are about 18000
>> birds (records) and I've got them all in one field in Rev now and it's too
>> slow to sort.
>>     
>
> Just as a first test, what if you put the data into a custom property
> instead of a field?
> Use this CP as the data storage and grab what you need as you need it. e.g.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> put the cDataStore of this stack into tData   -- grab the complete
> data set out of the custom property into a variable
> filter tData with "*" & fld "Filter" & "*"   -- assuming you want to
> extract a sub-set
> set the itemDel to tab  -- or whatever delimits your columns
> sort lines of tData by item 2 of each   -- choose the column to sort by
>
> put tData into fld "Display"  -- show the final results
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Even if you end up with the complete set of data after the filter,
> sorting a variable is enormously faster than sorting a field.
> And getting data out of or into a custom property is again, greatly
> faster than for a field.
> I have done this successfully with multiple CPs each holding about
> 40,000 records and operations only take miliseconds.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah

Paul Looney's "Ahsomme" multi-user business system is built on this CP 
approach to data storage, and its speed is quite acceptable - and all 
the data stacks are on a network file server! All the system's "brains" 
are in the client apps.

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com  Mon May 18 21:06:40 2009
From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:06:40 -0700
Subject: Data Grid Comment
Message-ID: <fc.009867af001a8f96009867af001a8f96.1a8fa1@CreaTECHSol.com>

The Data Grid is fantastic.
I just used two data grid tables in my recent project and it worked like a
charm.
I created Stand Alone versions for Mac and Win and have made them
available one of my web sites four our  customer access.
If you are interested, see
http://www.firstclass.com/~slynch/FOV13-0025D13D/?OpenItemURL=S04E88F59-04E88F59
I have a short video that showcases the utility.

One of my jobs in the company I work for is to create end user utilities
that can assist to maximize their investment in our product.  Until Data
Grids, I used one of the various table methods and subroutines that were
available to manage data in a table grid.  Functional, but less than
professional.
Now, with Data Grids, the sky is the limit.
Trevor's work is nothing less than spectacular, and his responses to the
list are phenomenal.
His documentation is quite thorough, but Data Grids are so new and dare I
say different, that those of us who do not code in Revolution 7/24 often
have a hard time trying to determine how to get the most out of this
solution.
What I really like is the Question/Answer way in which the documentation
is set up.  This is very helpful.

A question for Trevor.  As you answer questions in this forum, do you add
the question to your online documentation?

If not, it would be really nice if someone could build an FAQ of all of
the questions that are being answered.
I really like reading the responses and trying to file them away somewhere
as I know that I will have the same question some time.

Stewart

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 21:15:57 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:15:57 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <C6381B80.4735%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C6381B80.4735%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4A12084D.6030504@hyperactivesw.com>

Terry Judd wrote:
> There are two possible ways to go...
> 
> 1. resample the images to reduce the resolution
> 2. recompress the images
> 
> Method one will probably only be of use if the images are already at or
> greater than 300 dpi. You could probably resample them to as low as 200 dpi
> while still retaining sufficient print quality.
> 
> Method two will probably only be really effective if the images are
> currently uncompressed. If that's the case then saving them as max or high
> quality JPEGs will save you a lot of space without an appreciable loss of
> print quality.
> 
> Terry...

Thanks, very helpful. I think method 1 is the one that applies in this 
case, but I don't know what's involved with resampling. But see my 
answer to Brian, I'm going to explain more what this is for. Maybe I'm 
on the wrong track.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May 18 22:14:20 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:14:20 -1000
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <003401c9d827$85e4d360$91ae7a20$@com>

Hi Jacque,

> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes
> in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or
> otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to
> disk with a much smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD.
> But I need to preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they
> will still print at their actual, original size. I think I need to
> determine the original resolution so that I can calculate the
> dimensions
> in inches, right? Is there a way to get that?

Are these Jpegs? I haven't played with this since 2.8.1 but, if I remember
correctly, I believe just using compress() will reduce them down 20% with no
loss on decompress(). Other than that I do have a handler that will greatly
reduce jpegs (with some loss) but works best if their width and height are
roughly equivalent. I have to find it and will be traveling from tomorrow
until Sunday, so I can't until then. But this was also tested with Jpegs.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 22:26:17 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:17 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
> If you're up for the programming headaches involved, one way to deal 
> with very large images is to cut them up into tiles. For example, 
> cutting each image into 4 tiles can saving them in JPEG format can be 
> considerably smaller than the original image. I believe the 
> effectiveness would depend on your content, and of course will only work 
> in a compressed format like JPEG where each tile has a chance to be 
> optimized by the compression algorithm separately. You could potentially 
> load the tiles into a group of image objects and then manipulate the 
> whole group at once.
> 
> If this is going on a CD, can you not literally use Graphic Converter? I 
> believe it is scriptable. If you cut the resolution in half (which will 
> double the dimensions), THEN scale to 50% you should end up with the 
> original image size with half the resolution.
> 
> One last thought, you could attempt to use imageData -- skip every other 
> pixel to get "half" resolution and see how the quality turns out.

ImageData was my first thought, or exporting snapshots. Maybe if I 
explain more what this is for it will inspire some ideas.

This is for an inventory database and many of the records have multiple 
(referenced) images. The inventory data is used for insurance purposes. 
The customer base is largely computer-naive, almost all using Windows XP 
or Vista, with a smattering of OS X users.

The software works fine, it's the customers that are the problem. :) 
They are taking digital photos that weigh in at 3-4 megs apiece, and 
scanning documents even larger, and creating hundreds of images. My 
client gets complaints that the software prints too slowly, and that all 
the data won't fit on a CD.

So we decided to reduce their images for them behind their backs. The 
goal is to make the files as small as possible while retaining good 
enough quality to use for insurance claims. Marriage licenses and other 
documents have to remain legible. But of course we don't know ahead of 
time what resolution the images are at. I only know they are all jpegs.

Cutting up images would be difficult to work with in a program like 
this, and I can't use a third-party program to do the processing because 
there's no way to know what the customers have installed. So what I need 
to do (I think) is determine what that original size is, scale the image 
to be that size, and then save the imageData from that. Or so the theory 
goes.

I've been doing some googling and the specs for JPEGs say the resolution 
info is saved in the file header. If I knew the resolution I could 
calculate the original image size. I opened a few jpgs as text and 
looked at the headers but I couldn't find it in any of them. If it's in 
there, it isn't readable to me.

Maybe I should just suggest we change the program specs...unless someone 
has ideas?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From briany at qldlearning.com  Mon May 18 22:39:41 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:39:41 -0700
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>
	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F6298DC2-6838-46F9-9A5D-8EEBD8D9D74B@qldlearning.com>

This is just off-the-cusp, so it may be off, but what about:

1) Set the fileName of image 1 to the JPG
2) Copy the imageData of image 1 into image 2
3) Export from image 2 as JPEG
4) Scale the final image to the desired size (if necessary)

The reason why I'm hoping this would work -- imageData is at screen  
resolution (72 DPI) so this could be a shortcut to getting 72 DPI  
images if you export from images with only imageData (and no backing  
file).

Of course if 72 DPI is too low quality... maybe it would work to scale  
to double size first, and end up with 144 DPI?

Totally, utterly untested but hopefully helpful =)

You said that you need to find the original size -- does Rev not open  
high resolution images at the correct size?

> Brian Yennie wrote:
>> If you're up for the programming headaches involved, one way to  
>> deal with very large images is to cut them up into tiles. For  
>> example, cutting each image into 4 tiles can saving them in JPEG  
>> format can be considerably smaller than the original image. I  
>> believe the effectiveness would depend on your content, and of  
>> course will only work in a compressed format like JPEG where each  
>> tile has a chance to be optimized by the compression algorithm  
>> separately. You could potentially load the tiles into a group of  
>> image objects and then manipulate the whole group at once.
>> If this is going on a CD, can you not literally use Graphic  
>> Converter? I believe it is scriptable. If you cut the resolution in  
>> half (which will double the dimensions), THEN scale to 50% you  
>> should end up with the original image size with half the resolution.
>> One last thought, you could attempt to use imageData -- skip every  
>> other pixel to get "half" resolution and see how the quality turns  
>> out.
>
> ImageData was my first thought, or exporting snapshots. Maybe if I  
> explain more what this is for it will inspire some ideas.
>
> This is for an inventory database and many of the records have  
> multiple (referenced) images. The inventory data is used for  
> insurance purposes. The customer base is largely computer-naive,  
> almost all using Windows XP or Vista, with a smattering of OS X users.
>
> The software works fine, it's the customers that are the problem. :)  
> They are taking digital photos that weigh in at 3-4 megs apiece, and  
> scanning documents even larger, and creating hundreds of images. My  
> client gets complaints that the software prints too slowly, and that  
> all the data won't fit on a CD.
>
> So we decided to reduce their images for them behind their backs.  
> The goal is to make the files as small as possible while retaining  
> good enough quality to use for insurance claims. Marriage licenses  
> and other documents have to remain legible. But of course we don't  
> know ahead of time what resolution the images are at. I only know  
> they are all jpegs.
>
> Cutting up images would be difficult to work with in a program like  
> this, and I can't use a third-party program to do the processing  
> because there's no way to know what the customers have installed. So  
> what I need to do (I think) is determine what that original size is,  
> scale the image to be that size, and then save the imageData from  
> that. Or so the theory goes.
>
> I've been doing some googling and the specs for JPEGs say the  
> resolution info is saved in the file header. If I knew the  
> resolution I could calculate the original image size. I opened a few  
> jpgs as text and looked at the headers but I couldn't find it in any  
> of them. If it's in there, it isn't readable to me.
>
> Maybe I should just suggest we change the program specs...unless  
> someone has ideas?
>
> -- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 22:52:28 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:52:28 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <F6298DC2-6838-46F9-9A5D-8EEBD8D9D74B@qldlearning.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F6298DC2-6838-46F9-9A5D-8EEBD8D9D74B@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <4A121EEC.7020903@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
> This is just off-the-cusp, so it may be off, but what about:
> 
> 1) Set the fileName of image 1 to the JPG
> 2) Copy the imageData of image 1 into image 2
> 3) Export from image 2 as JPEG
> 4) Scale the final image to the desired size (if necessary)

That's real close to what I was thinking, only I was going to do it in a 
different order. But same general idea.

> The reason why I'm hoping this would work -- imageData is at screen 
> resolution (72 DPI) so this could be a shortcut to getting 72 DPI images 
> if you export from images with only imageData (and no backing file).
> 
> Of course if 72 DPI is too low quality... maybe it would work to scale 
> to double size first, and end up with 144 DPI?

Yeah. I can tinker with it. The main thing is to know what the size it 
is supposed to be when printed. That's where I'm stuck.

> You said that you need to find the original size -- does Rev not open 
> high resolution images at the correct size?

Not really. If the image isn't scaled or put into a locked image object, 
the image opens at its native pixel-count size, disregarding resolution. 
So if the image is thousands of pixels wide, Rev uses thousands of 
pixels to display it. A 2-inch image saved at 72 dpi will open at half 
the display size of a 2-inch image saved at 144 dpi. All Rev gives you 
is the pixel count.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May 18 22:55:02 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:55:02 -1000
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <003501c9d82d$35205890$9f6109b0$@com>

Hi again Jacque,

> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes
> in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or
> otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to
> disk with a much smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD.
> But I need to preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they
> will still print at their actual, original size. I think I need to
> determine the original resolution so that I can calculate the
> dimensions
> in inches, right? Is there a way to get that?

Actually try playing with this. It was an early version of the handler and I
forget even why it worked but it can take as input any format but always
saves as Jpeg. This then I believe can also be combined with a compress(). I
have to search for the later versions. Sorry, rushed. Later...

ON mouseUp
  local tData,tNewData
  -----
  answer file "Choose a large jpeg image:"
  IF it = empty THEN exit mouseUp
  put url("binfile:" & it) into tData
  put ReduceImage(tData) into tNewData --
  put "#2" after char -5 of it
  put tNewData into url("binfile:" & it)
  beep
END mouseUp
-----------------------------------
FUNCTION ReduceImage pData
  local tWidth,tHeight
  constant kMaxSize = 800
  constant kJpegQuality = 60
  -----
  put the jpegquality into tJpegQuality
  create invisible image "Temp"
  set the text of image "Temp" to pData
  put the formattedwidth of image "Temp" into tWidth
  put the formattedheight of image "Temp" into tHeight
  -----
  IF tWidth > kMaxSize OR tHeight > kMaxSize THEN
    IF tWidth > tHeight THEN
      set the width of image "Temp" to kMaxSize
      set the height of image "Temp" to round(tHeight * (kMaxSize/tWidth))
    ELSE
      set the height of image "Temp" to kMaxSize
      set the width of image "Temp" to round(tWidth * (kMaxSize/tHeight))
    END IF
    set the jpegquality to kJpegQuality
    export image "Temp" to pData as JPEG
  END IF
  delete image "Temp"
  set the jpegquality to tJpegQuality
  return pData
END ReduceImage

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From support at ahsomme.com  Mon May 18 22:56:20 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:56:20 -0700
Subject: Arrays instead of Sql
In-Reply-To: <4A120509.8090704@pdslabs.net>
References: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>
	<f99b52860905181751i22c4a1bcsbdcfb59462017151@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A120509.8090704@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <1E1A1F8B-D31B-4A10-842D-6CEADCC4F8E3@ahsomme.com>

Tom,
As Phil said, we get acceptable speed using Custom Properties - even  
on databases with 100,000+ records - usually served by a Mac Mini.  
Compliments to Richard Gaskin who originally suggested the approach.
By the way: no SQL, no C, no extensions!
Paul Looney

On May 18, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
> Paul Looney's "Ahsomme" multi-user business system is built on this  
> CP approach to data storage, and its speed is quite acceptable -  
> and all the data stacks are on a network file server! All the  
> system's "brains" are in the client apps.
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon May 18 23:03:15 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:03:15 +1000
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A12084D.6030504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C6385E93.4754%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

If you're using GraphicConverter then you probably want to use the scale
option under the size item of the picture menu. This will let you specify
both an output width and/or height and resolution. If the images are for
screen display then obviously 72 dpi is all you need. If you want print
output then 150 dpi would be an absolute minimum. I'd maybe do this in two
stages. First just set the dpi of the image to what you want - this won't
change the overall size of the image. Then proportionally resample/resize
the image to whatever your maximum width/height settings are appropriate
before saving them in whatever format is appropriate (it sounds like you'll
be using JPEG).

I guess you could do this all in Rev provided it is capable of displaying
images with the types of pixel dimensions you're talking about and you only
want screen resolution images. You'd set the filename of an image object and
query its formatted width and height. Then you'd rescale it to match your
predetermined maximum dimensions. Finally you'd export a snapshot (which
will be at 72 dpi) with your preferred level of JPEG compression. If you
want more than screen resolution then you should export them without
compression and take them back into GraphicConverter to change the
resolution without resampling (resolution item of picture menu) and then
save and compress them from there.

HTH,

Terry...


On 19/05/09 11:15 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Terry Judd wrote:
>> There are two possible ways to go...
>> 
>> 1. resample the images to reduce the resolution
>> 2. recompress the images
>> 
>> Method one will probably only be of use if the images are already at or
>> greater than 300 dpi. You could probably resample them to as low as 200 dpi
>> while still retaining sufficient print quality.
>> 
>> Method two will probably only be really effective if the images are
>> currently uncompressed. If that's the case then saving them as max or high
>> quality JPEGs will save you a lot of space without an appreciable loss of
>> print quality.
>> 
>> Terry...
> 
> Thanks, very helpful. I think method 1 is the one that applies in this
> case, but I don't know what's involved with resampling. But see my
> answer to Brian, I'm going to explain more what this is for. Maybe I'm
> on the wrong track.



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May 18 23:34:40 2009
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:34:40 +0800
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>
	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>
	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> The software works fine, it's the customers that are the problem. :) They
> are taking digital photos that weigh in at 3-4 megs apiece, and scanning
> documents even larger, and creating hundreds of images. My client gets
> complaints that the software prints too slowly, and that all the data won't
> fit on a CD.
>
> So we decided to reduce their images for them behind their backs.


I think you are playing with fire here. I can see that all that's going to
happen is that your client will end up with more complaints about perfectly
good photos not displaying correctly and scanned images that were readable
are no longer legible!

I appreciate that I'm computer literate so scanning at appropriate settings
is easy for me, but surely you must appreciate that two separate documents,
exact same dimensions, one may have 18 point font on it and the other 9
point. If your software, in the background, reduced the resolution on the 9
point document to something similar to the 18 point, I'd be furious!

As unappealing as it may be, I think you already know where the problem
lies, the customer.

What about a warning dialog that comes up anytime the customer tries to
import an image over a certain size. Could it have a link to your clients
web site where they could have a list of software that can reduce image size
and a short tutorial on how to do it.

What about a warning dialog when the entire data set gets to 650MB,
indicating that they are about to exceed the size of a CD and unless steps
are taken to reduce file size, back-up will need to be done to a DVD or
external HD. Again with links to your clients website with tutorials on how
to save size, the pros and cons of backing up to CD, DVD or external HD, and
how to do each.

Basically, leave it to the customer to decide what the acceptable resolution
is, and that once they save enough of them it's their problem to move to a
larger back up format.

Again, I can see what you are attempting to do will only result in current
customers who are completely happy, know exactly why they are photographing
the Harry Winston with the SuperFine setting on their 6 megapixel camera,
and scanning their Title Deeds at 300 dpi, and wisely backup to a 80GB HD
because it's more durable than a CD; will be joining the complaints cue
because their photo looks like it's of some costume jewellery and the scans
apear to be of some nondescript newspaper article. And if you think the
current customers are unhappy, just think how pleasant this lot will be when
their on the phone, their house has burnt down, they've just been to their
Insurance Co and they've said, sorry, doesn't look like a Harry Winston to
us!

Sorry, just my thoughts.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 23:36:02 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:36:02 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <003501c9d82d$35205890$9f6109b0$@com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
	<003501c9d82d$35205890$9f6109b0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A122922.9040909@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:

> FUNCTION ReduceImage pData
>   local tWidth,tHeight
>   constant kMaxSize = 800
>   constant kJpegQuality = 60
>   -----
>   put the jpegquality into tJpegQuality
>   create invisible image "Temp"
>   set the text of image "Temp" to pData
>   put the formattedwidth of image "Temp" into tWidth
>   put the formattedheight of image "Temp" into tHeight
>   -----
>   IF tWidth > kMaxSize OR tHeight > kMaxSize THEN
>     IF tWidth > tHeight THEN
>       set the width of image "Temp" to kMaxSize
>       set the height of image "Temp" to round(tHeight * (kMaxSize/tWidth))
>     ELSE
>       set the height of image "Temp" to kMaxSize
>       set the width of image "Temp" to round(tWidth * (kMaxSize/tHeight))
>     END IF
>     set the jpegquality to kJpegQuality
>     export image "Temp" to pData as JPEG
>   END IF
>   delete image "Temp"
>   set the jpegquality to tJpegQuality
>   return pData
> END ReduceImage

Thanks. This is similar to what I had in mind for the final output, only 
I was going to just save enough imagedata to account for a decent 
printout at the document's actual size. The problem is though -- what is 
the document's actual size?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 18 23:48:54 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:48:54 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905182034t33c7a717oa715ae4e6bd466e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160905182034t33c7a717oa715ae4e6bd466e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A122C26.2090000@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

> Again, I can see what you are attempting to do will only result in current
> customers who are completely happy, know exactly why they are photographing
> the Harry Winston with the SuperFine setting on their 6 megapixel camera,
> and scanning their Title Deeds at 300 dpi, and wisely backup to a 80GB HD
> because it's more durable than a CD; will be joining the complaints cue
> because their photo looks like it's of some costume jewellery and the scans
> apear to be of some nondescript newspaper article.

That's really a compelling argument. I'm going to send a copy of your 
post to my client. You make some very good points.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue May 19 02:23:07 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:23:07 +0200
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <99D32635-90D1-49C7-910C-8FAF566DE6A5@all-auctions.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
	<000e01c9d7c5$b67ca140$2375e3c0$@com>
	<99D32635-90D1-49C7-910C-8FAF566DE6A5@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <AEFD26B2-FB1F-4168-B9DD-FB7E6A2D608D@inria.fr>


Le 18 mai 09 ? 16:51, Rick Harrison a ?crit :

> Hi Jim,
>
> Texas is at least much closer than then UK!

That's a matter of "cognitive coordinate system" ;-O))))

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?


From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Tue May 19 02:47:51 2009
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:47:51 +0200
Subject: "Activity" message ?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160905172013y47f992ceo7328cccd2c81f2ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <393275AF-CEF5-46F8-BD43-6015FCCF18AF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0BED5F45-21A5-4706-82FC-323D1C5366B7@unil.ch>
	<323EFAD7-9E3C-4257-8E12-59D0961091CC@cox.net>
	<E1342F6E-1E04-4FC8-B0C7-2DF355590CD9@unil.ch>
	<3E6E654C-79A8-4FDA-963C-A745C4DC7390@major.on-rev.com>
	<B4FF4E82-6FDC-4880-9923-D2A199C89A75@unil.ch>
	<f73a98160905172013y47f992ceo7328cccd2c81f2ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D893E42D-B932-470B-8DBC-B93FA1B09996@unil.ch>

Thanks, Kay

I was one day out and I missed your message... Finally I did something  
simpler, with a command called in the scripts of every control:  
"resetTimer", which reinitialize the counter to GTimeLag seconds, and  
a "setTimeLag nseconds", called where necessary. It's not really  
elegant, but it's only one word in each script and it works fine, so  
I'll not change it now :). But I'll study your suggestion (I muss  
confess I never used the pendingMessages).

Jacques


Le 18 mai 2009 ? 05:13, Kay C Lan a ?crit :

> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jacques Hausser
> <jacques.hausser at unil.ch>wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes it is tempting. As the timer runs in the background, this front  
>> script
>> should reinitialize a GRemainingTime global (or a CP if you are
>> globalophobic - I'm not). But, depending of what the user is doing,  
>> I want
>> to set different values for the reinitialisation, therefore a  
>> second global
>> or CP...
>> I'll look. Many thanks anyway.
>>
>> Probably a little late, but what about handling this in reverse. In  
>> every
> user action script, start with a 'cancel' command and at the end of  
> every
> script finish with a 'send' command.
>
> The idea is that at the end of the user doing something, the script  
> will
> automatically instigate the reinitialisation in a given time, say:
>
> send myReinit to stack "myStack" in 300 sec
>
> At the beginning of a script where the user has done something, the  
> script
> will cancel the reinitialisation:
>
> cancel item 1 of the last line of the pendingMessages
>
> For different actions you can have different send in times, ie if it  
> opens a
> field full of text it might be 600 sec, but if it activates a 2 sec  
> sound
> bite you might send in 60 sec.
>
> The only tricky bit is that for the very first action there is no
> pendingMessage to cancel, and, although you theoretically should  
> never get
> out of sync it might be worthwhile using an all encompassing cancel
> function, something like:
>
> FUNCTION reInitMonitor
>  --if no pending messages, nothing happens
>   repeat until the pendingMessages is empty
>      cancel item 1 of line 1 of the pendingMessages
>    end repeat
> end reInitMonitor
>
> THIS ASSUMES YOU ARE NOT USING 'SEND' FOR SOMETHING ELSE!!!! If you  
> are,
> then you'd need to keep track of the send ID and only cancel the  
> appropriate
> IDs.
>
> So in summary:
>
> on mouseUp
>  --cancel any impending reinitialisation
>  reInitMonitor
>
>  --do all your stuff here
>
>  --set up a new reinitialisation
>  send myReInit to stack "myStack" in 300 sec
> end mouseUp
>
> Look in the Dictionary under, cancel, send and pendingMessages
>
> HTH
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May 19 04:48:53 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:48:53 +0300
Subject: Arrays instead of Sql
In-Reply-To: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>
References: <D9BF2C68-88EE-4755-A273-978110E965DE@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A127275.5020802@ekoinf.net>

Tom,

sort the data in variable instead of field using field only to display 
results, not for the data processing, or at least lock screen before 
sorting and then unlock screen. This will be much faster.

When putting data into field again lock screen and unlock afterwards. 
This will prevent field trying (slowwwly) to display its contents while 
these are being loaded into it.

Viktoras

Tom Cole wrote:
> I've heard that instead of using a backend like sql to manage a 
> database, I could stay in Revolution and use arrays. I know nothing of 
> arrays.
>
> I've written here before about a bird database I have. Several times. 
> Forgive.
>
> I just have a few items in a record: 
> birdname,birdnotes,place,placenotes,date  However, there are about 
> 18000 birds (records) and I've got them all in one field in Rev now 
> and it's too slow to sort.
>
> If I have to learn sql and so on, this may never get done, but if I 
> stay in my familiar Rev environment I will be off and running. Is 
> there a sample database stack where someone has used arrays to store 
> the data for fast retrieval or some related script to help me learn 
> how arrays could be used?
>
> How can I place those records in arrays and then draw data to make 
> cool sorts and views?  I'm not new at all to Rev; only to arrays.
>
> I just need ideas on how to sort the data fast.
>
> Thanks (again!)
> Tom in Arizona
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue May 19 06:59:13 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:59:13 +0100
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net> <4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>
	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>
	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905190359n3f9f7f91s924bb915f2afbd47@mail.gmail.com>

I guess it is my understanding of fileDSN that is wrong then.  I was
thinking that it was treating a file as a database.  I thought the
representation of the DSN in ini file format was just for the sake of
transcribing the details for us to read.  I know that with ODBC on
Linux it is done as an ini file, but I didn't realise that was even
possible with Windows.

I am confused by how such a DSN would work.  The fact that it uses a
UNC reference to contact the database would lead me to expect it to
only work with a Microsoft product (Access or SQL Server), or maybe
with another db that was running on Windows.  I did have a look at the
DB2 documentation and they talk about fileDSN but I didn't find an
example of it working.

I did find this bug report from microsoft:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323803

In the DB2 documentation I found, they show an example of a DSN less
connection using ip address rather than UNC:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/db2luw/v9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.db2.udb.apdv.cli.doc/doc/t0024166.htm

Have you tried the fileDSN using e.g. Excel to connect to DB2?  Maybe
the problem lies at a lower level than Rev.  If you could get it
working with Excel, but you couldn't get it working with Rev, then it
would point conclusively to a Rev bug.

Bernard

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Scott Pepperdine <spepper at byu.net> wrote:
> Bernard, ?Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what a fileDSN is, but I don't
> believe so. ?A DSN is a collection of connection parms used to connect to an
> ODBC compliant data source. ?A System DSN and User DSN store that
> information in the Windows Registry. ?A file DSN stores that information in
> a file, *.dsn. ?That should be the only difference between System/User DSNs
> and a File DSN. ?But I have not been able to make this work with Revolution.
>
> I have to disagree with your assessment of the forum posting I referenced in
> my original post. ?He is trying to access an ODBC compliant database. ?The
> fact that it is MS Access in that case is irrelevant. ?He was trying to
> connect to it using "revOpenDatabase", not as a "local file". ?In his
> subsequent thread he is using a system DSN to connect to MS Access. ?Again,
> since he is using a system DSN, he is connecting using ODBC to a database
> server. ?The fact that he is using a UNC path must be how you specify the
> path to Access (I'm ignorant of MS Access, and hope to stay that way). ?But
> he was originally trying to connect to an ODBC database using a fileDSN in
> Revolution and had to give it up. ?I may have to do the same.
>
> I do not see why putting the connection parms in a file instead of in the
> registry should be a distinctly unusual way to use ODBC. ?It is simply a
> method to make the app self-contained and easier to distribute.
>
> Thanks for the response,
> --Scott
>


From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Tue May 19 07:06:29 2009
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:06:29 EDT
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
Message-ID: <d54.4f9a2145.3743ecb5@aol.com>

Image resolutions can be easily determined in Photoshop under the File menu 
"Image/Image Size". Then, within the same menu,one can alter either the 
image resolution or dimensions of the image.
Stephen Goldberg
www.medmaster.net

In a message dated 5/18/09 10:26:52 PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes:


> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes
> in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or
> otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to
> disk with a much smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD.
> But I need to preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they
> will still print at their actual, original size. I think I need to
> determine the original resolution so that I can calculate the dimensions
> in inches, right? Is there a way to get that?
> 




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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue May 19 07:29:41 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:29:41 +0100
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905190429k33cb36ffq5a2f10919274444b@mail.gmail.com>

Jacques, why not retain the original images as created by the clients
put cut them up on entry to the application and save them as binary
data e.g. in a sqlite database.  When an image is required to be
displayed re-assemble it from the binary data and display it.  If it
needs to be displayed in a different size then do the transform after
it's been reassembled.

If the 650mb issue is to do with backups to cd, then they need to
change their backup method.

Until computer use requires the equivalent of a driving licence, I
think it is a tall order to try to train all the users/customers in
the vagaries of file sizes.  Most people I know don't know the
difference between a byte and a gigabyte.  At least in the days of
floppy disks, people had an idea of how many files of a particular
type could fit on a floppy disk, so they had some relative conception
of file size.

Bernard

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:47 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of varying
> dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted sizes in thousands
> of pixels. I need a way to change the image resolution, or otherwise reduce
> the file size, so that the images can be rewritten to disk with a much
> smaller footprint in order to fit them on a single CD. But I need to
> preserve the original dimensions in inches, so that they will still print at
> their actual, original size. I think I need to determine the original
> resolution so that I can calculate the dimensions in inches, right? Is there
> a way to get that?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue May 19 07:57:16 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:57:16 +0200
Subject: Anyone happens to use a modbook with rev?
In-Reply-To: <20090516170005.1AA2948A40A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090516170005.1AA2948A40A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <762CA73B-BAF5-40ED-9805-DC1A44414D83@derbrill.de>

Hi,

does anyone here happen to use a modbook with Rev applications?

http://www.axiotron.com/

If so, I would be very interested to learn if there are any drawbacks  
and if the text recognition works from within a rev app.

All the best,

Malte


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue May 19 08:02:45 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:02:45 +0200
Subject: Anyone happens to use a modbook with rev?
In-Reply-To: <762CA73B-BAF5-40ED-9805-DC1A44414D83@derbrill.de>
References: <20090516170005.1AA2948A40A@mail.runrev.com>
	<762CA73B-BAF5-40ED-9805-DC1A44414D83@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <112EC764-32C9-49B2-89DF-031D35393F11@numericable.com>

Hello Malte,
No but I use a tablet Wacom Cintiq 12WX
Ren? from Paris

Le 19 mai 09 ? 13:57, Malte Brill a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> does anyone here happen to use a modbook with Rev applications?
>
> http://www.axiotron.com/
>
> If so, I would be very interested to learn if there are any  
> drawbacks and if the text recognition works from within a rev app.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May 19 08:28:44 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:28:44 +0300
Subject: ODBC - Can use file DSN in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905190359n3f9f7f91s924bb915f2afbd47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>
	<4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>	<4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>
	<edcc7e6b0905190359n3f9f7f91s924bb915f2afbd47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A12A5FC.8060708@ekoinf.net>

a few years ago, before I learned Revolution, I did database 
applications for Windows in hta/javascript. It used dsn-less connection 
via ActiveX ADODB to a database where all tables were stored in plain 
text files. It could use Access files as well.

For plain text databases it was necessary to specify schema.ini file 
which needs to be put into the same folder with database tables. Here is 
an example of schema.ini contents:
[JoinedAquatics.csv]
ColNameHeader=True
MaxScanRows=0
Format=Delimited(;)
col1 = MasterID Long
col2 = CountryID Short
col3 = SpeciesID Text
col4 = EnvGroupID Text
col5 = FirstDate Short
col6 = SecondDate Short
col7 = VectorID Text
col8 = Vector2ID Text
col9 = ExpertID Text
col10 = VerifiedBy Text
col11 = Comments Text
[SpeciesData.csv]
ColNameHeader=True
MaxScanRows=0
Format=Delimited(;)
Col1=SpeciesID Text
Col2=Authority Text
Col3=CommonName Text
Col4=Taxon Text
Col5=Family Text
Col6=NativeHabitat Text
Col7=EcofunctionalGroup Text
Col8=NativeRangeTDWG2 Text
Col9=NativeRangeDetailsTDWG4 Text
Col10=NativeRangeInland Text
Col11=NativeRangeMarine Text
[SpSynonyms.csv]
ColNameHeader=True
MaxScanRows=0
Format=Delimited(;)
Col1=SpeciesID Text
Col2=Synonyms Text
[Countries.csv]
ColNameHeader=True

Here is the code snippet with some comments, database (folder with 
files) here is called "joined". Unfortunately I have never tried 
replicating this in Rev :-(:

function Dat_Q() {
MasterID = new Array;
CountryID = new Array;
Country = new Array;
SpeciesID = new Array;

<-snipping lots of variable declarations here->

// Create ADO Recordset
dbrcd = new ActiveXObject( "ADODB.Recordset" );

//Create the connection string
//this is how you would use Access databases:
//cString = "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)};DBQ=Tables.mdb";

//and here is the actual code for text tables:
//cString = "Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt; 
*.csv)};Dbq=joined;Extensions=asc,csv,tab,txt;";

// Create SQL Statement
//sql = "SELECT habitat from tbTest";

if (sql) {sql=sql;}
else {sql = "SELECT COUNT('SpeciesID') FROM JoinedAquatics.csv"; 
QQ.SQLsent.value=sql;}

// Open connection to database
dbrcd.Open( sql, cString, 1, 3);
//dbrcd.Execute(sql);

// variable to store data
 record = "";
// Loop through all the records found

while( !dbrcd.EOF )
{
       // Loop through each field in this record
       // and add contents to variable
       for( i = 0; i < dbrcd.Fields.Count; i++ )
        {
             record+= dbrcd(i) + "    ";
             switch (i)
             {

case 0 : MasterID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 1 : CountryID[sz]="C"+dbrcd(i); break;
case 2 : Country[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 3 : SpeciesID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 4 : Taxon[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 5 : EnvGroupID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 6 : FirstDate[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 7 : SecondDate[sz]=""+dbrcd(i); break;
case 8 : VectorID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 9 : Vector2ID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 10: PathwayID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 11: AlienHabitatID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 12: SpStatusID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 13: PopStatus2ID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 14: PopStatusID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 15: EcolImpactID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 16: ImpactOnUsesID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 17: InvHistoryID[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 18: DonorArea[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 19: NativeRangeMarine[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 20: Reference[sz] =""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
case 21: Comments[sz]=""+dbrcd(i) ; break;
             }
        }
       
       
       // Display the contents in Textfield
      
       //Move to the next record and loop
       dbrcd.MoveNext();
       record+="\n";
      sz++;
}

return (record);
}

function SQL_Q() {
sql=QQ.SQLsent.value;
QQ.QRez.value=Dat_Q();
}

In principle using this you could write database communicator ir jscript 
and communicate to it from within Revolution...

Best wishes
Viktoras


From wow at together.net  Tue May 19 10:40:24 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:40:24 -0400
Subject: Converting server-based cgi app to work locally
In-Reply-To: <4A12A5FC.8060708@ekoinf.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>	<4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>	<4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>	<edcc7e6b0905190359n3f9f7f91s924bb915f2afbd47@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A12A5FC.8060708@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <4A12C4D8.7000701@together.net>

I have a Rev app that is closely integrated with some remote 
server-based Rev cgi scripting. I'd like to modify the app so it can 
work locally when there's no internet connection.

I have lots of calls like this:

 put url ("http://65.23.xxx.x/cgi-bin/RevSearch.cgi?setcompdata=" & 
compfile & "=" & urlencode(compdata)) into x

What's the simplest way to modify this to work locally? I have no 
experience doing this. I'm thinking I can put a Rev cgi engine somewhere 
on my PC and then simply change the URL so it points locally. Does that 
engine need to go into a specific folder or can it go anywhere? How then 
do I structure the URL?

Thanks for any help with this.

Richard Miller


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue May 19 10:46:20 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:46:20 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A121EEC.7020903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>	<F6298DC2-6838-46F9-9A5D-8EEBD8D9D74B@qldlearning.com>
	<4A121EEC.7020903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A12C63C.4060006@dreamscapesoftware.com>

You could use the Batch Process Wizard in JPEGCompress to perform the
compression.  I've used the wizard to compress thousands of photos, not
just JPEG's, in just minutes.  And the best part is that the program was
built with Revolution.


   Windows XP & Vista
   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-win.exe

   Mac OS X 10.3+
   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-mac.zip

   Linux
   http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/jpegcompress-2.9.5-linux.zip


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
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http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Brian Yennie wrote:
>> This is just off-the-cusp, so it may be off, but what about:
>>
>> 1) Set the fileName of image 1 to the JPG
>> 2) Copy the imageData of image 1 into image 2
>> 3) Export from image 2 as JPEG
>> 4) Scale the final image to the desired size (if necessary)
> 
> That's real close to what I was thinking, only I was going to do it in a
> different order. But same general idea.
> 
>> The reason why I'm hoping this would work -- imageData is at screen
>> resolution (72 DPI) so this could be a shortcut to getting 72 DPI
>> images if you export from images with only imageData (and no backing
>> file).
>>
>> Of course if 72 DPI is too low quality... maybe it would work to scale
>> to double size first, and end up with 144 DPI?
> 
> Yeah. I can tinker with it. The main thing is to know what the size it
> is supposed to be when printed. That's where I'm stuck.
> 
>> You said that you need to find the original size -- does Rev not open
>> high resolution images at the correct size?
> 
> Not really. If the image isn't scaled or put into a locked image object,
> the image opens at its native pixel-count size, disregarding resolution.
> So if the image is thousands of pixels wide, Rev uses thousands of
> pixels to display it. A 2-inch image saved at 72 dpi will open at half
> the display size of a 2-inch image saved at 144 dpi. All Rev gives you
> is the pixel count.
> 


From swartart at iafrica.com  Tue May 19 10:57:26 2009
From: swartart at iafrica.com (Ryno Swart)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:57:26 +0200
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip 
In-Reply-To: <20090519022623.8DE2848AA8C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090519022623.8DE2848AA8C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FA793C02-EBE0-491D-9B91-999767FB5919@iafrica.com>


Many thanks, guys, I am muddling through with Audacity (a tough learn  
for me) and iMovie, importing and exporting and having fun! The  
QuickTime solution, I presume, requires QT Pro, which I don't have.

I would have replied to your messages earlier, but I for some reason  
this entire thread did not show up in the digest which I receive in  
Mail, and it was only when I thought to check the archives that I  
found your replies. This seems to happen to me regularly, the clue  
being a "new" thread that shows up in the digest, but the first  
message I see is already a reply (Re: etc), and then I look through  
the replies hoping that somebody quoted the original message  
somewhere. I presume that I am not unique. I mentioned this before,  
but if anybody wants to follow upon this, I can try to report what I  
receive.

Ryno.
http://artistvision.org


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Tue May 19 14:02:57 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:02:57 -0700
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <CF3ABABB-29C3-4F4B-884F-25E59A0DEEE8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C6384261.213%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

I want to set the header names on the fly  it works on one and on one it
only works if I delete all the col names first and then the second time it
no longer works.
Thanks, Hershel


On 5/18/09 5:55 PM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On May 18, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi, what causes the names of the header to appear or not? Because in
>> a few
>> the names appear and a few not and the code is the same I'm wordering.
> 
> There is no setting that affects whether individual headers show or
> not. Perhaps you have the label for those columns set to a space?
> 
> Regards,




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue May 19 11:14:16 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:14:16 -0700
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
In-Reply-To: <FA793C02-EBE0-491D-9B91-999767FB5919@iafrica.com>
References: <20090519022623.8DE2848AA8C@mail.runrev.com>
	<FA793C02-EBE0-491D-9B91-999767FB5919@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905190814g5ab6ce83r9e96e0cb0c2c7dde@mail.gmail.com>

Quicktime Pro is very useful and a recommended tool for anyone working with
video. It's a well-spent $30 but often bundled with Apple software like
Final Cut or Logic. You can edit and insert edit audio, video and text
tracks in QTP.   Good for stringing together several help videos, say, shot
in a lower-quality format. iMovie can't do that - it has to upsample
everything to SD format, huge intermediate files, rendering.

Some subscribers here that switched from digest to get-every-email mode
seemed happier with the decision. Digest doesn't really organize, it seems
to just confuse, and doesn't let one participate in ongoing discussions very
well.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/19 Ryno Swart <swartart at iafrica.com>

>
> Many thanks, guys, I am muddling through with Audacity (a tough learn for
> me) and iMovie, importing and exporting and having fun! The QuickTime
> solution, I presume, requires QT Pro, which I don't have.
>
> I would have replied to your messages earlier, but I for some reason this
> entire thread did not show up in the digest which I receive in Mail, and it
> was only when I thought to check the archives that I found your replies.
> This seems to happen to me regularly, the clue being a "new" thread that
> shows up in the digest, but the first message I see is already a reply (Re:
> etc), and then I look through the replies hoping that somebody quoted the
> original message somewhere. I presume that I am not unique. I mentioned this
> before, but if anybody wants to follow upon this, I can try to report what I
> receive.
>
> Ryno.
> http://artistvision.org
>
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From tom.cole at asu.edu  Tue May 19 12:04:06 2009
From: tom.cole at asu.edu (Tom Cole)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:04:06 -0700
Subject: Arrays
Message-ID: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>

Sarah,
Thanks. The sorts are MUCH faster when done in a variable. I'm not  
sure of the advantage of storing data in a custom property, but it's  
nice to know about. I'm forgetting arrays because now I need do only  
one thing to be burning through the data.

I have bird watching PLACES as one item. One is called Elliot and  
Cooper Roads. I've been to that street corner hundreds of times, and  
since I have seen over 8000 birds there, there are more than 8000  
records. I can put all of the records for this street corner at the  
top of the field (actually the "top" of the variable).


Elliot and Cooper Roads		FIRST VISIT TO THIS PLACE
Elliot and Cooper Roads
Elliot and Cooper Roads
Elliot and Cooper Roads
... thousands more
... thousands more
... thousands more
Elliot and Cooper Roads         LAST VISIT TO THIS PLACE
Other Places
Other Places
Other Places

All I need is have a way to "cut and paste" from the first record for  
Elliot and Cooper Roads to the last and leave out the rest of the  
places.

Of course, I could write a repeating script that would gobble up the  
data a line at a time, but it would take forever. How can I scoop all  
the Elliot and Cooper records out of the data in one fell swoop?

If someone could show me how to do this, then I could employ it  
everywhere and my flat database would be screamin' fast and I would  
stay in Revolution.

I'm almost there!

Tom in Arizona








From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Tue May 19 12:41:43 2009
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:41:43 +0200
Subject: Help Revolutionize the Web
In-Reply-To: <C9UPN1SA-BKDR-ORF6-971K-F0848NRKVPEX@runrev.com>
References: <C9UPN1SA-BKDR-ORF6-971K-F0848NRKVPEX@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <34C888C6-1694-4DC7-AFCA-0CB1C87C885A@laposte.net>

Hello,

Rev 4.0 is announced. If it revolutionize the web, i hope it  
revolutionize also the text ! When we could justify a paragraph ?



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May 19 13:23:39 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:23:39 +0300
Subject: Arrays
In-Reply-To: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
References: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A12EB1B.60307@ekoinf.net>

Hi Tom,

maybe something like this will do:
replace "Elliot and Cooper Roads" with "Elliot and Cooper Roads" && 
"[whatever needs to be paste]" & return in yourVariableWithData?

Viktoras

Tom Cole wrote:
> Sarah,
> Thanks. The sorts are MUCH faster when done in a variable. I'm not 
> sure of the advantage of storing data in a custom property, but it's 
> nice to know about. I'm forgetting arrays because now I need do only 
> one thing to be burning through the data.
>
> I have bird watching PLACES as one item. One is called Elliot and 
> Cooper Roads. I've been to that street corner hundreds of times, and 
> since I have seen over 8000 birds there, there are more than 8000 
> records. I can put all of the records for this street corner at the 
> top of the field (actually the "top" of the variable).
>
>
> Elliot and Cooper Roads        FIRST VISIT TO THIS PLACE
> Elliot and Cooper Roads
> Elliot and Cooper Roads
> Elliot and Cooper Roads
> ... thousands more
> ... thousands more
> ... thousands more
> Elliot and Cooper Roads         LAST VISIT TO THIS PLACE
> Other Places
> Other Places
> Other Places
>
> All I need is have a way to "cut and paste" from the first record for 
> Elliot and Cooper Roads to the last and leave out the rest of the places.
>
> Of course, I could write a repeating script that would gobble up the 
> data a line at a time, but it would take forever. How can I scoop all 
> the Elliot and Cooper records out of the data in one fell swoop?
>
> If someone could show me how to do this, then I could employ it 
> everywhere and my flat database would be screamin' fast and I would 
> stay in Revolution.
>
> I'm almost there!
>
> Tom in Arizona
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue May 19 13:47:25 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:47:25 -0500
Subject: Help Revolutionize the Web
In-Reply-To: <34C888C6-1694-4DC7-AFCA-0CB1C87C885A@laposte.net>
References: <C9UPN1SA-BKDR-ORF6-971K-F0848NRKVPEX@runrev.com>
	<34C888C6-1694-4DC7-AFCA-0CB1C87C885A@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <4A12F0AD.5070302@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
> Rev 4.0 is announced. If it revolutionize the web, i hope it
> revolutionize also the text ! When we could justify a paragraph ?

Bill posted an Enhancement Request in the QA Center back in 2007.  I
would suggest that you login vote for it.

    http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4944

Voting Does Work.  The 4.0 web plugin was an Enhancement Request that a
few of us had many years ago.  I voted for it, so I'm sure with enough
votes you could get your enhancement request implemented.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 19 13:47:25 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:47:25 -0500
Subject: Arrays
In-Reply-To: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
References: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A12F0AD.4090005@hyperactivesw.com>

Tom Cole wrote:

> I have bird watching PLACES as one item. One is called Elliot and Cooper 
> Roads. I've been to that street corner hundreds of times, and since I 
> have seen over 8000 birds there, there are more than 8000 records. I can 
> put all of the records for this street corner at the top of the field 
> (actually the "top" of the variable).
> 
> 
> Elliot and Cooper Roads        FIRST VISIT TO THIS PLACE
> Elliot and Cooper Roads
> Elliot and Cooper Roads
> Elliot and Cooper Roads
> ... thousands more
> ... thousands more
> ... thousands more
> Elliot and Cooper Roads         LAST VISIT TO THIS PLACE
> Other Places
> Other Places
> Other Places
> 
> All I need is have a way to "cut and paste" from the first record for 
> Elliot and Cooper Roads to the last and leave out the rest of the places.

Do you mean you want to set the clipboard from a script? Something like 
this might do it:

  put myBigPlaceList into temp -- make a copy, because we will alter it
  filter temp with "Elliot and Cooper Roads"
  set the clipboardData["text'] to temp

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jhj at jhj.com  Tue May 19 15:03:54 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:03:54 -0700
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905190814g5ab6ce83r9e96e0cb0c2c7dde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090519022623.8DE2848AA8C@mail.runrev.com>
	<FA793C02-EBE0-491D-9B91-999767FB5919@iafrica.com>
	<e5e009d70905190814g5ab6ce83r9e96e0cb0c2c7dde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3FA0DF9-092C-4D8C-A757-E1342FABE0C6@jhj.com>

On May 19, 2009, at 8:14 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> Some subscribers here that switched from digest to get-every-email  
> mode
> seemed happier with the decision. Digest doesn't really organize, it  
> seems
> to just confuse, and doesn't let one participate in ongoing  
> discussions very
> well.

I am one of those. I guess when I started with email lists, I somehow  
thought it was important to keep the number of emails down. Why, I  
don't know. Maybe I didn't feel like figuring out how to automatically  
put all the rev emails in a folder in Mail (which is totally easy to  
do). An unexpected benefit is that I often remember *who* posted a  
tasty tidbit, rather than when. For example if I remember that Andre  
Garzia said something clever  about something (not unusual), its much  
easier to find now (except until last week all I have is digests). As  
Mark Wieder said, *really* glad I switched.

-- Jerry Jensen



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue May 19 15:19:45 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:19:45 +0200
Subject: Help Revolutionize the Web
In-Reply-To: <4A12F0AD.5070302@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <C9UPN1SA-BKDR-ORF6-971K-F0848NRKVPEX@runrev.com>
	<34C888C6-1694-4DC7-AFCA-0CB1C87C885A@laposte.net>
	<4A12F0AD.5070302@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4616E1AD-7AEA-46AD-9458-6E20E886D033@mines-paristech.fr>

>
> Bill posted an Enhancement Request in the QA Center back in 2007.  I
> would suggest that you login vote for it.
>
>    http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
>
> Voting Does Work.  The 4.0 web plugin was an Enhancement Request  
> that a
> few of us had many years ago.  I voted for it, so I'm sure with enough
> votes you could get your enhancement request implemented.
>
done



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 19 16:47:58 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:47:58 -0700
Subject: Arrays
In-Reply-To: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
References: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <119-1793335937.20090519134758@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 9:04:06 AM, you wrote:

> If someone could show me how to do this, then I could employ it
> everywhere and my flat database would be screamin' fast and I would
> stay in Revolution.

filter tVariable with "Elliot and Cooper Roads*"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From rgould8 at aol.com  Tue May 19 16:59:42 2009
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:59:42 -0400
Subject: Skinning problems in Windows
Message-ID: <8CBA6DBDDA80602-898-12D1@WEBMAIL-DY10.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.librarytools.com/aol/circledashboard.png

http://www.librarytools.com/aol/simple.zip



Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?? I'm following the instructions in the docs on how to "skin" a Revolution app.? It works on my Mac, but when I try to take the same Rev app and run it in Windows XP, all I get is a grey rectangle instead of the shaped application with the image.

I'm trying to take the "circledashboard.png" file above and make a Windows app that uses it's shape.

My attempt, which works on my Mac is simple.zip.? I've tried everything I can think of - - - interlaced PNG's, non-interlaced PNG's, 8-bit, 24-bit - - - nothing seems to work.






From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 19 17:07:32 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:07:32 +1000
Subject: Arrays
In-Reply-To: <119-1793335937.20090519134758@ahsoftware.net>
References: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
	<119-1793335937.20090519134758@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905191407p238e787fi8ff0daf214be0797@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> Tom-
>
> Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 9:04:06 AM, you wrote:
>
>> If someone could show me how to do this, then I could employ it
>> everywhere and my flat database would be screamin' fast and I would
>> stay in Revolution.
>
> filter tVariable with "Elliot and Cooper Roads*"

Just remember that you need to use * to indicate to the filter command
that you will accept lines with more than just "Elliot and Cooper
Roads".

filter tVariable with "Elliot and Cooper Roads" gives only the lines
with no data except "Elliot and Cooper Roads".
filter tVariable with "Elliot and Cooper Roads*" gives only the lines
that start with "Elliot and Cooper Roads".
filter tVariable with "*Elliot and Cooper Roads*" gives all the lines
containing "Elliot and Cooper Roads".

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 19 17:20:48 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:20:48 +1000
Subject: Converting server-based cgi app to work locally
In-Reply-To: <4A12C4D8.7000701@together.net>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net> <4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>
	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>
	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>
	<edcc7e6b0905190359n3f9f7f91s924bb915f2afbd47@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A12A5FC.8060708@ekoinf.net> <4A12C4D8.7000701@together.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905191420u730affafma4cff555370feff0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
> I have a Rev app that is closely integrated with some remote server-based
> Rev cgi scripting. I'd like to modify the app so it can work locally when
> there's no internet connection.
>
> I have lots of calls like this:
>
> put url ("http://65.23.xxx.x/cgi-bin/RevSearch.cgi?setcompdata=" & compfile
> & "=" & urlencode(compdata)) into x
>
> What's the simplest way to modify this to work locally? I have no experience
> doing this. I'm thinking I can put a Rev cgi engine somewhere on my PC and
> then simply change the URL so it points locally. Does that engine need to go
> into a specific folder or can it go anywhere? How then do I structure the
> URL?

I guess this depends on how your app is going to get it's data if
there is no connection.

I have a similar app and when testing, I turn on the web server in my
own computer, install my cgi-scripts there and use "localhost" instead
of the IP address. That is on the Mac, I don't know anything about web
serving under Windows.

Another option would be to run a version of Andre's RevOnRockets HTTP
stack as your server and somehow get it to supply the required data.

If this is going to work, I presume you have a set of default data
that you can supply instead of whatever was supposed to be coming from
the web server. So a better way might be to check for an internet
connection and then have functions that get your data. e.g.

if connectedToNet then
   put url ("http://65.23.xxx.x/cgi-bin/RevSearch.cgi?setcompdata=" &
compfile & "=" & urlencode(compdata)) into x
else
   put "default data" into x
end if

One of the simplest ways to check for an internet connection is to put
a text file on your site containing nothing but the number 1.
Then:
  put "http://mysite.com/test.txt" into tCheck
  if tCheck = 1 then ... you are connected
The virtue of this is that it tests the connection to the relevant server too.

HTH,
Sarah


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue May 19 17:39:15 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:39:15 +0100
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A121EEC.7020903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>	<F6298DC2-6838-46F9-9A5D-8EEBD8D9D74B@qldlearning.com>
	<4A121EEC.7020903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A132703.4050000@tweedly.net>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Yeah. I can tinker with it. The main thing is to know what the size it 
> is supposed to be when printed. That's where I'm stuck.
>
>> You said that you need to find the original size -- does Rev not open 
>> high resolution images at the correct size?
>
> Not really. If the image isn't scaled or put into a locked image 
> object, the image opens at its native pixel-count size, disregarding 
> resolution. So if the image is thousands of pixels wide, Rev uses 
> thousands of pixels to display it. A 2-inch image saved at 72 dpi will 
> open at half the display size of a 2-inch image saved at 144 dpi. All 
> Rev gives you is the pixel count.
>

I basically agree with the other comments - i.e. that you are stepping 
into a minefield here, and should think very hard about whether you 
should do so.   And if you must, think about throwing up a warning 
message (like "The image uses a very large amont of disk space. Here is 
the recommended reduced version. lease verify that it retains enough 
quality for your purposes" and display the resampled / reduced / 
compressed ... etc. image).

Back to the original question ....

I think the info you need is (generally at least) in the jpg file 
(Google for "EXIF data").  A while ago I wrote a library to extract the 
EXIF data from jpeg / tiff files. You can find it on Revonline (for 
pre-3.5 - I haven't got anything uploaded onto the new revonline yet)., 
under username alextweedly, and called libEXIF - comes packaged with a 
very simple test stack to ask for a jpg file and print out the exif 
info.  Sample output is as follows; you want the XResolution, 
YResolution  and ResolutionUnit values ....

> took 10
> Image ,ImageDescription,,ASCII,146
> Image ,Make,NIKON,ASCII,178
> Image ,Model,E950,ASCII,202
> Image ,Orientation,1,Short,54
> Image ,XResolution,300/1,Ratio,216
> Image ,YResolution,300/1,Ratio,224
> Image ,ResolutionUnit,Pixels/Inch,Short,90
> Image ,Software,v981p-78,ASCII,232
> Image ,DateTime,2004:10:21 14:58:39,ASCII,264
> Image ,YCbCrPositioning,2,Short,126
> Image ,ExifOffset,284,Long,138
> EXIF ,ExposureTime,1/87,Ratio,578
> EXIF ,FNumber,57/5,Ratio,586
> EXIF ,ExposureProgram,Program Normal,Short,318
> EXIF ,ISOSpeedRatings,80,Short,330
> EXIF ,ExifVersion,0210,String,342
> EXIF ,DateTimeOriginal,2004:10:21 14:58:39,ASCII,594
> EXIF ,DateTimeDigitized,2004:10:21 14:58:39,ASCII,614
> Skipping EXIF ,ComponentsConfiguration
> EXIF ,CompressedBitsPerPixel,2/1,Ratio,634
> EXIF ,ExposureBiasValue,0/1,Signed Ratio,642
> EXIF ,MaxApertureValue,13/5,Ratio,650
> EXIF ,MeteringMode,,Short,426
> EXIF ,LightSource,Unknown,Short,438
> EXIF ,Flash,No,Short,450
> EXIF ,FocalLength,102/5,Ratio,658
> Skipping EXIF ,MakerNote
> EXIF 
> ,UserComment,                                                                                                                     
> ,String,666
> EXIF ,FlashPixVersion,0100,String,498
> EXIF ,ColorSpace,1,Short,510
> EXIF ,ExifImageWidth,1600,Long,522
> EXIF ,ExifImageLength,1200,Long,534
> EXIF ,InteroperabilityOffset,886,Long,546
> Skipping EXIF ,FileSource
> Skipping EXIF ,SceneType
> Thumbnail ,Compression,JPEG Compressed,Short,802
> Thumbnail ,XResolution,300/1,Ratio,870
> Thumbnail ,YResolution,300/1,Ratio,878
> Thumbnail ,ResolutionUnit,Pixels/Inch,Short,838
> Thumbnail ,JPEGInterchangeFormat,2036,Long,850
> Thumbnail ,JPEGInterchangeFormatLength,4173,Long,862




Good luck
-- Alex.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 19 19:15:10 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:15:10 -0700
Subject: Skinning problems in Windows
In-Reply-To: <8CBA6DBDDA80602-898-12D1@WEBMAIL-DY10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6388B8E.41BB6%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, rgould8 at aol.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?? I'm following the instructions in
> the docs on how to "skin" a Revolution app.? It works on my Mac, but when I
> try to take the same Rev app and run it in Windows XP, all I get is a grey
> rectangle instead of the shaped application with the image.

Did you import the image into your stack?  Are you setting the windowShape
of the stack to the id of the imported image?

Doing so works fine here (execute in your message box):

go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/wstest.rev"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Tue May 19 22:40:21 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:40:21 -0700
Subject: Decorations
Message-ID: <C638BBA5.224%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

Hi, all I?m having a bit of a problem with the decorations on windows when
building as a standalone
The decorations are set to ?title,menu,minimize? or ?menu,minimize? and in
fact it only has the close box and its disabled.
All help would strongly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced, Hershel


From wow at together.net  Tue May 19 20:32:38 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:32:38 -0400
Subject: Converting server-based cgi app to work locally
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905191420u730affafma4cff555370feff0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0DFCE4.5050809@byu.net>
	<4A0E72BC.3070300@ekoinf.net>	<4A117BBE.8090307@byu.net>	<edcc7e6b0905180840l71364ec1yb59d50c2ebd69212@mail.gmail.com>	<4A11A532.4090201@byu.net>	<edcc7e6b0905190359n3f9f7f91s924bb915f2afbd47@mail.gmail.com>	<4A12A5FC.8060708@ekoinf.net>
	<4A12C4D8.7000701@together.net>
	<f99b52860905191420u730affafma4cff555370feff0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A134FA6.5000007@together.net>

Thanks, Sarah.
I was able to sort it out using localhost.
Richard


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>   
>> I have a Rev app that is closely integrated with some remote server-based
>> Rev cgi scripting. I'd like to modify the app so it can work locally when
>> there's no internet connection.
>>
>> I have lots of calls like this:
>>
>> put url ("http://65.23.xxx.x/cgi-bin/RevSearch.cgi?setcompdata=" & compfile
>> & "=" & urlencode(compdata)) into x
>>
>> What's the simplest way to modify this to work locally? I have no experience
>> doing this. I'm thinking I can put a Rev cgi engine somewhere on my PC and
>> then simply change the URL so it points locally. Does that engine need to go
>> into a specific folder or can it go anywhere? How then do I structure the
>> URL?
>>     
>
> I guess this depends on how your app is going to get it's data if
> there is no connection.
>
> I have a similar app and when testing, I turn on the web server in my
> own computer, install my cgi-scripts there and use "localhost" instead
> of the IP address. That is on the Mac, I don't know anything about web
> serving under Windows.
>
> Another option would be to run a version of Andre's RevOnRockets HTTP
> stack as your server and somehow get it to supply the required data.
>
> If this is going to work, I presume you have a set of default data
> that you can supply instead of whatever was supposed to be coming from
> the web server. So a better way might be to check for an internet
> connection and then have functions that get your data. e.g.
>
> if connectedToNet then
>    put url ("http://65.23.xxx.x/cgi-bin/RevSearch.cgi?setcompdata=" &
> compfile & "=" & urlencode(compdata)) into x
> else
>    put "default data" into x
> end if
>
> One of the simplest ways to check for an internet connection is to put
> a text file on your site containing nothing but the number 1.
> Then:
>   put "http://mysite.com/test.txt" into tCheck
>   if tCheck = 1 then ... you are connected
> The virtue of this is that it tests the connection to the relevant server too.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 19 20:54:41 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:54:41 -0700
Subject: Arrays
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905191407p238e787fi8ff0daf214be0797@mail.gmail.com>
References: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
	<119-1793335937.20090519134758@ahsoftware.net>
	<f99b52860905191407p238e787fi8ff0daf214be0797@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <120-1778532937.20090519175441@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 2:07:32 PM, Sarah wrote:

> Just remember that you need to use * to indicate to the filter command
> that you will accept lines with more than just "Elliot and Cooper
> Roads".

Yes, Sarah's right about this. I was assuming from the pseudodata that
each entry started with "Elliot and Cooper Roads", but you know what
happens when you assume things...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 19 21:52:40 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:52:40 -0500
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A132703.4050000@tweedly.net>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>	<D3ABDAB3-978D-49A0-A88E-3FAFA487A1CF@marksmith.on-rev.com>	<4A11D481.8050009@hyperactivesw.com>	<CC637135-B92F-47B0-B447-2A3D44F5861D@qldlearning.com>	<4A1218C9.7030102@hyperactivesw.com>	<F6298DC2-6838-46F9-9A5D-8EEBD8D9D74B@qldlearning.com>	<4A121EEC.7020903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A132703.4050000@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4A136268.6020406@hyperactivesw.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I basically agree with the other comments - i.e. that you are stepping 
> into a minefield here, and should think very hard about whether you 
> should do so. 

Yeah, it was a dumb idea and I'm glad I brought it up here. We've 
decided to just recompress the jpgs (which are usually completely 
uncompressed to start with). Even a modest compression seems to save 
megabytes of space. I'll try a few images to see what the best level is. 
Other than that, we won't change anything.

> Back to the original question ....
> 
> I think the info you need is (generally at least) in the jpg file 
> (Google for "EXIF data").  A while ago I wrote a library to extract the 
> EXIF data from jpeg / tiff files.

Oh dear, I forgot all about your library! Sounds like exactly the thing. 
Thanks very much for the nudge.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed May 20 04:33:36 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:33:36 +0100
Subject: Help Revolutionize the Web
In-Reply-To: <4616E1AD-7AEA-46AD-9458-6E20E886D033@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <C9UPN1SA-BKDR-ORF6-971K-F0848NRKVPEX@runrev.com>
	<34C888C6-1694-4DC7-AFCA-0CB1C87C885A@laposte.net>
	<4A12F0AD.5070302@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4616E1AD-7AEA-46AD-9458-6E20E886D033@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <1DD1C103-F9A7-4FE8-B463-487B16A0F12A@anachreon.co.uk>

Quite shocking this has not been addressed earlier. Got my votes.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 19 May 2009, at 20:19, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

>>
>> Bill posted an Enhancement Request in the QA Center back in 2007.  I
>> would suggest that you login vote for it.
>>
>>    http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
>>
>> Voting Does Work.  The 4.0 web plugin was an Enhancement Request  
>> that a
>> few of us had many years ago.  I voted for it, so I'm sure with  
>> enough
>> votes you could get your enhancement request implemented.
>>
> done
>
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From barryb at libero.it  Wed May 20 04:55:41 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:55:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: repeat loop test
Message-ID: <17815931.540461242809741985.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Colin,
Thank you for the tip about changing the level of objects losing the 
numbering. I replaced 'set layers' with 'hide and show' in a version of my 
original script and it now works like a dream. :-)

Barry


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed May 20 06:15:35 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:15:35 +0100
Subject: Arrays
In-Reply-To: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
References: <229D4302-6308-496F-88B0-CA67A982E0F2@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905200315u69d79e3ckd24942e2a223bbc9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

Assuming your data is in a variable called tData, and is structured like this:

Elliot and Cooper Roads, sparrow
Elliot and Cooper Roads, magpie
Elliot and Cooper Roads, dove
Elliot and Cooper Roads, owl
Downing Street, sparrow

this will give you a list of the birds in Elliot and Cooper Roads:

put tData into tSubset
put "Elliot and Cooper Roads" into tRoadName
filter tSubset with (tRoadName & "*")
replace (tRoadName & comma & space) with empty in tSubset

tSubset now contains a list of bird types from tRoadName.

If you want to extract each road name and get the list of birds seen
at that place, then you will need to loop over the whole list to
associate all the birds from a place with just that name.

It would probably be easier to be using an array for this.  In case
you are having trouble imagining it as an array, I generally think of
arrays in Rev as dictionaries.  That is, each identifier in the array
is unique like the head words in the dictionary, and each has data
associated with it.

If you used an array (a dictionary) then each road name would be like
a word you look up in the dictionary.  When you wanted to add an
observation made at a particular road it would be as easy as this:

put "sparrow" & return after tObservationDictionary[tRoadName]

To get all the birds for 1 road you would do this:

put tObservationDictionary[tRoadName] into tBirdList

To get a list of all the roads, it would be:

put the keys of tObservationDictionary

Hope that helps.

Bernard


From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed May 20 08:27:12 2009
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:27:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>	<F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>	<9DDD8809-6AB6-4039-802E-301E8B53855A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<loom.20090518T113947-652@post.gmane.org>
	<4A1165F7.50300@together.net>
Message-ID: <loom.20090520T122159-541@post.gmane.org>

Richard Miller <wow at ...> writes:

> 
> Thanks, Martin! All my years of playing with Quicktime, I never knew 
> this little feature was in there. Very cool. Any more hidden tricks like 
> this?
> 
> Best,
> Richard Miller
> 
> Martin Koob wrote
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > If you have the movie displayed in a quicktime player 
> > in a revolution stack or in a web page with a 
> > quicktime controller in  safari and in other applications  
> > you can increase the playback volume up to 
> > 300%.  To do that press the shift key while clicking 
> > the volume control in the Quicktime movie 
> > controller.  This will reveal an extended volume 
> > slider with tick marks at 100% and 200%.  You can drag 
> > the slider up to overdrive the audio up to 3x.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >

Another trick is to hold the control key while clicking 
the step forward or step backward buttons on the 
right hand side of the controller.   This brings up a 
tiny jog shuttle contol that allows you to fast forward 
and rewind the movie.  This works if you use the 
Quicktime controller on a safari web page and other 
applications that use the traditional Quicktime controller.   

It unfortunately not implemented in Revolution's 
Quicktime Player.   This I guess should be a feature 
request to add it to Revolution's player.

Martin



From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed May 20 09:34:39 2009
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
References: <20090513170004.A0FA048ACBA@mail.runrev.com>	<F5498412-078B-48C2-89FD-F5CAFFBD7673@iafrica.com>	<9DDD8809-6AB6-4039-802E-301E8B53855A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<loom.20090518T113947-652@post.gmane.org>
	<4A1165F7.50300@together.net>
	<loom.20090520T122159-541@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20090520T132931-373@post.gmane.org>

Martin Koob <mkoob at ...> writes:

> 
> Richard Miller <wow at ...> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Thanks, Martin! All my years of playing with Quicktime, I never knew 
> > this little feature was in there. Very cool. Any more hidden tricks like 
> > this?
> > 
> > Best,
> > Richard Miller
> > 

> Another trick is to hold the control key while clicking 
> the step forward or step backward buttons on the 
> right hand side of the controller.   This brings up a 
> tiny jog shuttle contol that allows you to fast forward 
> and rewind the movie.  This works if you use the 
> Quicktime controller on a safari web page and other 
> applications that use the traditional Quicktime controller.   
> 
> It unfortunately not implemented in Revolution's 
> Quicktime Player.   This I guess should be a feature 
> request to add it to Revolution's player.
> 
> Martin
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at ...
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
your subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
I just added a bug report at the Rev Quality Control 
Center for the missing Jog Shuttle controller.   
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8062
In my own application I created a jog slider control 
using a slider but I think that it would be good to 
have the feature in the player itself as well.

Martin







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 20 10:36:47 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:36:47 -0700
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
Message-ID: <4A14157F.8080100@fourthworld.com>

Martin Koob wrote:
>> Another trick is to hold the control key while clicking 
>> the step forward or step backward buttons on the 
>> right hand side of the controller.   This brings up a 
>> tiny jog shuttle contol that allows you to fast forward 
>> and rewind the movie.  This works if you use the 
>> Quicktime controller on a safari web page and other 
>> applications that use the traditional Quicktime controller.   
>> 
>> It unfortunately not implemented in Revolution's 
>> Quicktime Player.   This I guess should be a feature 
>> request to add it to Revolution's player.
...
> I just added a bug report at the Rev Quality Control 
> Center for the missing Jog Shuttle controller.   
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8062
> In my own application I created a jog slider control 
> using a slider but I think that it would be good to 
> have the feature in the player itself as well.

The scrubber is there and works fine, but somehow the keys are switched: 
  the normal key to show the scrubber is the Control key, but in Rev 
it's the Command key. :\

So at least you can use the scrubber, but alas you'll have to re-teach 
your users how to access it since it's not accessed the same way as in 
every other program.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 20 10:41:33 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:41:33 -0700
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
Message-ID: <4A14169D.1020009@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> Quicktime Pro is very useful and a recommended tool for anyone working with
> video. It's a well-spent $30 but often bundled with Apple software like
> Final Cut or Logic. You can edit and insert edit audio, video and text
> tracks in QTP.   Good for stringing together several help videos, say, shot
> in a lower-quality format.

If you can wait for OS X 10.6 ("Snow Leopard") you may get QT Pro for 
free (well, "free" as in "after you pay for Snow Leopard"):

<http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/10/snow_leopards_quicktime_may_pack_pro_features_at_no_cost.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed May 20 10:46:32 2009
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:46:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
References: <4A14157F.8080100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090520T144247-838@post.gmane.org>

Richard Gaskin <ambassador at ...> writes:


> 
> The scrubber is there and works fine, but somehow the keys are switched: 
>   the normal key to show the scrubber is the Control key, but in Rev 
> it's the Command key. :\
> 
> So at least you can use the scrubber, but alas you'll have to re-teach 
> your users how to access it since it's not accessed the same way as in 
> every other program.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com

HI Richard

Thanks for reteaching me.   Its nice to have the 
scrubber back.  Do you think I should change the 
bug report and ask to have the key changed from 
the Command key to the Control key for consistency sake?

Martin





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 20 11:31:13 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:31:13 -0700
Subject: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip
Message-ID: <4A142241.30008@fourthworld.com>

Martin Koob wrote:

> Richard Gaskin <ambassador at ...> writes:
>> The scrubber is there and works fine, but somehow the keys are switched: 
>>   the normal key to show the scrubber is the Control key, but in Rev 
>> it's the Command key. :\
>> 
>> So at least you can use the scrubber, but alas you'll have to re-teach 
>> your users how to access it since it's not accessed the same way as in 
>> every other program.
> 
> Thanks for reteaching me.   Its nice to have the 
> scrubber back.  Do you think I should change the 
> bug report and ask to have the key changed from 
> the Command key to the Control key for consistency sake?

I already added that this morning:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8062>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 20 13:07:08 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:07:08 -0500
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <C638BBA5.224%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C638BBA5.224%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4A1438BC.90802@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> Hi, all I?m having a bit of a problem with the decorations on windows when
> building as a standalone
> The decorations are set to ?title,menu,minimize? or ?menu,minimize? and in
> fact it only has the close box and its disabled.

What is the style of the stack? Some styles don't allow certain 
decoration settings. Does it work correctly in the IDE? Do you have any 
scripts that set the decorations? You should only need to set the 
decorations once during development, since it's a permanent property of 
the stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 20 13:26:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:26:38 -0500
Subject: Help Revolutionize the Web
In-Reply-To: <1DD1C103-F9A7-4FE8-B463-487B16A0F12A@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <C9UPN1SA-BKDR-ORF6-971K-F0848NRKVPEX@runrev.com>	<34C888C6-1694-4DC7-AFCA-0CB1C87C885A@laposte.net>	<4A12F0AD.5070302@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<4616E1AD-7AEA-46AD-9458-6E20E886D033@mines-paristech.fr>
	<1DD1C103-F9A7-4FE8-B463-487B16A0F12A@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A143D4E.9070003@hyperactivesw.com>

Luis wrote:
 >>>    http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
> Quite shocking this has not been addressed earlier. Got my votes.

The team is acutely aware of this, it is probably one of the 
most-requested enhancements. It isn't a bug, the features were simply 
never implemented.

When RR acquired the MetaCard engine, the field object was (and remains) 
extremely complex. Apparently Scott Raney called the field object "the 
beast". Every OS requires a different way of handling text 
manipulations. I've heard that the code for fields is some of the 
snarliest in the whole engine.

The team is committed to implementing all the requested features, but it 
is a tremendous undertaking that will require a complete rewrite of the 
underlying code for fields. It isn't trivial. It's on their to-do list, 
along with much easier unicode support.

In the mean time, we do already have support for first-line indents, 
subscripts, and superscripts. Rudimentary variable line spacing is 
accomplished by turning off fixedlineheight. I know that isn't 
professional-level text handling, but the rest will be coming.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May 20 06:30:39 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:30:39 +0100
Subject: Reducing image file sizes
In-Reply-To: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A11AD4F.9010100@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <13C7B1C4-D9F8-4A5D-82DD-6AD9530EF854@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Here's an approach, quite similar to Jim's. It should be easily  
adjustable to use any object (e.g. a rectangular graphic) to determine  
the target dimensions. E.g., you could replace the line starting with  
"put rescale" with the follwing:

put rescale(the formattedWidth of img 1,the formattedHeight of img 1, \
      the width of grc "Some Rectengular Graphic",the height of grc  
"Some Rectengular Graphic") \
      into myNewRect



on mouseUp
      answer file "Select a picture" with type "PNG file|png|PNGf" or  
type \
             "GIF file|gif|GIFf" or type "JPEG file|jpg|JPEG" or type  
"All files|*|*"
      lock screen
      if it is not empty then
           set the filename of img 1 to it
           put rescale(the formattedWidth of img 1,the formattedHeight  
of img 1, \
                  the width of this cd,the height of this cd) into  
myNewRect
           set the width of img 1 to item 1 of myNewRect
           set the height of img 1 to item 2 of myNewRect
           set the loc of img 1 to the loc of this cd
           unlock screen
           export img 1 to myPict as PNG
           ask file "Save as..." with "test.png"
           if it is not empty then
                put it into myFile
                open file myFile for binary write
                write myPict to file myFile
                close file myFile
           end if
      end if
end mouseUp

function rescale theImgWidth,theImgHeight,theCdWidth,theCdHeight
      -- put the executioncontexts
      -- determine longest side and rescale
      if theCdWidth/theImgWidth < theCdHeight/theImgHeight then
           put theCdWidth / theImgWidth into myRatio
      else
           put theCdHeight / theImgHeight into myRatio
      end if
      put theImgWidth * myRatio into myNewWidth
      put theImgHeight * myRatio into myNewHeight
      return myNewWidth,myNewHeight
end rescale

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 18 mei 2009, at 19:47, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I have a customer project that displays scanned images and photos of  
> varying dimensions. These files are usually huge, with formatted  
> sizes in thousands of pixels. I need a way to change the image  
> resolution, or otherwise reduce the file size, so that the images  
> can be rewritten to disk with a much smaller footprint in order to  
> fit them on a single CD. But I need to preserve the original  
> dimensions in inches, so that they will still print at their actual,  
> original size. I think I need to determine the original resolution  
> so that I can calculate the dimensions in inches, right? Is there a  
> way to get that?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May 20 12:23:59 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:23:59 +0100
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <C638BBA5.224%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C638BBA5.224%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <50B33B31-407E-4160-8896-EC440B738FEC@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Hershel,

I created a standalone with two buttons. One button sets the  
decorations to "title,menu,minimize" and the other to "menu,minimize".  
Both buttons work as expected.

If I set the decorations before creating the standalone, the stack  
appears with the menu, title and minimise box enabled, while the close  
box and maximise box are disabled. This is works as expected, too.

Is there anything special about your stack, which might affect  
decorations? Perhaps you have the style set the modal? (Actually, I  
just tested it and if you set the stack style to modal, the menu title  
and minimise box don't appear at all, but there might be something  
similar affecting the decorations).

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 20 mei 2009, at 03:40, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi, all I?m having a bit of a problem with the decorations on  
> windows when
> building as a standalone
> The decorations are set to ?title,menu,minimize? or ?menu,minimize?  
> and in
> fact it only has the close box and its disabled.
> All help would strongly appreciated.
> Thanks in advanced, Hershel




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed May 20 18:10:34 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:10:34 +0100
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com.
> I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I
> wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
> DNS.
>   
Could you expand slightly on how you do this ?

I (think I) unerstand most of it
 - create a sub-domain
 - copy files over
 - test it

But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?

Thanks
-- Alex.


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed May 20 21:26:05 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:26:05 -0700
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <4A1438BC.90802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C639FBBD.239%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>




On 5/20/09 10:07 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> Hi, all I?m having a bit of a problem with the decorations on windows when
>> building as a standalone
>> The decorations are set to ?title,menu,minimize? or ?menu,minimize? and in
>> fact it only has the close box and its disabled.
> 
> What is the style of the stack? Some styles don't allow certain
> decoration settings.
The style of the stack is "topLevel"
 I did it with btn's to try it, works well in the IDE
But after building as a standalone even the btn's don't do it. Also I made a
new mainStack and it works fine I'm wondering?
> Does it work correctly in the IDE?
In the IDE it works fine,
> Do you have any scripts that set the decorations? You should only need to set
the 
> decorations once during development, since it's a permanent property of
> the stack.

Thanks, Hershel




From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed May 20 18:35:22 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:35:22 -0700
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>

Hey Alex,

You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people 
here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you 
register "alextweedly.com" Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the 
registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev 
provides, which is probably:

ns1.on-rev.com
ns2.on-rev.com

Then you can create an "Add-on" domain in your On-Rev control panel with 
the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new 
directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests 
for "alextweedly.com" will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. 
And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites.

A "freebie" you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, 
like "alextweedly.on-rev.com". You can host a site at this address 
without further registration.

HTH,
Marty Knapp
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com.
>> I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I
>> wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
>> DNS.
>>   
> Could you expand slightly on how you do this ?
>
> I (think I) unerstand most of it
> - create a sub-domain
> - copy files over
> - test it
>
> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
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From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Wed May 20 21:37:53 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:37:53 -0700
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <50B33B31-407E-4160-8896-EC440B738FEC@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C639FE81.23D%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>




On 5/20/09 9:23 AM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> 
> Is there anything special about your stack, which might affect
> decorations? Perhaps you have the style set the modal? (Actually, I
> just tested it and if you set the stack style to modal, the menu title
> and minimise box don't appear at all, but there might be something
> similar affecting the decorations).
Hi, the way my stack is set up, the MainStack which is the splash screen
which has no title bar at all, all scripts are placed in that stack and then
about 35 subStacks.
Thanks, Hershel
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
> 
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 20 mei 2009, at 03:40, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all I?m having a bit of a problem with the decorations on
>> windows when
>> building as a standalone
>> The decorations are set to ?title,menu,minimize? or ?menu,minimize?
>> and in
>> fact it only has the close box and its disabled.
>> All help would strongly appreciated.
>> Thanks in advanced, Hershel
> 
> 
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From wjm at wjm.org  Wed May 20 22:25:56 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:25:56 -0400
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <gv2e3c$n20$1@ger.gmane.org>

Right, Marty. And let me point out one other aspect....

When you get your on-Rev account, you'll have a default folder set up for 
your initial user.on-rev.com subdomain. When you create the "add-on" domain 
in the control panel, you'll be able to specify this folder, or a new 
folder, or any existing folder as the "root" of the domain you're 
specifying.

In this way you can keep domains separate, or you can link multiple domains 
to the same folder.

Suppose you have:

superdomain.com
superdomain.net
superdomain.info
superdomain.biz

These would be four "add-on" domains, four registrations with GoDaddy. But 
you can map them all to the "superdomain" folder on your on-rev account, so 
you put all your stuff in one place. Then you could have a domain,

mypersonalsite.org

which maps to the "mysite" folder on your on-Rev account (the folder names 
don't have to match anything in particular) and this would be a completely 
separate collection of content.

So, to address the OP's question, "How do you 'change a sub-domain to an 
AddOn domain?'" The answer is you really don't. The subdomain is like a 
phone number; that doesn't change. You can add as many prefixes (i guess 
they would be called, sub-subdomains) for example

x.y.z.user.on-rev.com

But you cannot change the user.on-rev.com part. You can specify that your 
"add-on" domain(s) point to the same folder that user.on-rev.com does (like 
a phone number that forwards to the same physical telephone as another 
number) -- the default folder we set up for you at account creation. Or, you 
can just keep your default folder empty and create new folders for your 
"add-on domains" as desired.

- Bill



"Marty Knapp" <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote in 
message news:4A1485AA.1020305 at comcast.net...
> Hey Alex,
>
> You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people here 
> have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you register 
> "alextweedly.com" Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the registrar 
> so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev provides, which is 
> probably:
>
> ns1.on-rev.com
> ns2.on-rev.com
>
> Then you can create an "Add-on" domain in your On-Rev control panel with 
> the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new directory. 
> Within a short while everything should sync up and requests for 
> "alextweedly.com" will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. And with 
> On-Rev you can host unlimited sites.
>
> A "freebie" you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, 
> like "alextweedly.on-rev.com". You can host a site at this address without 
> further registration.
>
> HTH,
> Marty Knapp
>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com.
>>> I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I
>>> wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
>>> DNS.
>>>
>> Could you expand slightly on how you do this ?
>>
>> I (think I) unerstand most of it
>> - create a sub-domain
>> - copy files over
>> - test it
>>
>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -- Alex.





From tom.cole at asu.edu  Wed May 20 23:13:54 2009
From: tom.cole at asu.edu (Tom Cole)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:13:54 -0700
Subject: arrays
Message-ID: <C3BDD532-9D67-4310-AE2E-07AFE6D939F0@asu.edu>

Thank you Sarah, Mark and the rest! I'm so basic sometimes. Filter?  
Duh! After all this time, I don't know the basics. With the filter  
scripting, I can winnow the data down into manageable chunks before I  
do anything, and there is no speed issue at all. I'm blazing through  
this data and who the heck needs sql? This is TOO much fun. I'm  
staying in Rev. ?Viva la Causa!

Many thanks,
Tom in Arizona

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 21 01:02:51 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:51 -0500
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <C639FE81.23D%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C639FE81.23D%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4A14E07B.8060305@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
> Hi, the way my stack is set up, the MainStack which is the splash screen
> which has no title bar at all, all scripts are placed in that stack and then
> about 35 subStacks.

What command do you use to open a substack?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 21 01:46:23 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:46:23 -0700
Subject: arrays
In-Reply-To: <C3BDD532-9D67-4310-AE2E-07AFE6D939F0@asu.edu>
References: <C3BDD532-9D67-4310-AE2E-07AFE6D939F0@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <199-1674630765.20090520224623@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

The "filter" command is one of those things that you can stare at for
a while, but it doesn't really click until you have a use for it. Then
whole new worlds open up.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Thu May 21 09:56:20 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:56:20 -0400
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <8B67AA04-B6CA-4661-886B-3D2D804B8D83@mac.com>
References: <261649984421.20090509171405@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A062A36.5060102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B67AA04-B6CA-4661-886B-3D2D804B8D83@mac.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90905210656r3e48b2a2g8f87867629449125@mail.gmail.com>

I like the new revOnline browser. It is a great improvement over no search
features, no graphical representation etc. But there are only 81 stacks.
Weren't there more than that before?


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 21 11:06:03 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:06:03 -0700
Subject: What is "the platform" on Win64?
Message-ID: <4A156DDB.1050006@fourthworld.com>

The Dictionary lists these values for "the platform":

    MacOS           any Mac OS, OS X, or Darwin system
    Linux           Linux for Intel or PowerPC architecture
    BSD             BSD UNIX (BSDI, FreeBSD)
    HP-9000/700     HP-UX
    SGI IRIS        Silicon Graphics IRIX
    IBM RS/6000     AIX
    Intel SCO       SCO Open DeskTop
    Intel SVR4      Solaris for x86 architecture
    SPARC           SPARC SunOS
    SPARC Solaris   SPARC Solaris
    Win32           Windows (any version post-3.1)

What does "the platform" return on 64-bit Windows systems?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat May  9 06:47:04 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:47:04 +0100
Subject: Preferred Multi-Platform Development Method
In-Reply-To: <4A04B92D.3070309@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <20090508204029.16BDF48B27B@mail.runrev.com>
	<4A04A4CE.4090809@ministerschedulerpro.com>
	<4A04B92D.3070309@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905090347q4cb0815k5bec99ea2f657f23@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a similar function, which I've not got around to testing on Windows
and Linux yet. There are a few differences (like the use of baseconvert),
would be good to get it right?

function folder_Preferences
>     if the platform is "MacOS" then
>         return specialfolderpath("preferences") & "/"
>     else if the platform is "Win32" then
>         /*
>         CSIDL_APPDATA (FOLDERID_RoamingAppData)
>         version 4.71. The file system directory that serves as a common
> repository for application-specific data.
>         A typical path is C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application
> Data.
>         This CSIDL is supported by the redistributable Shfolder.dll for
> systems
>         that do not have the Microsoft internet Explorer 4.0 integrated
> shell installed.
>
>         CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA (FOLDERID_LocalAppData)
>         version 5.0. The file system directory that serves as a data
> repository for local (nonroaming) applications.
>         A typical path is C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local
> Settings\Application Data.
>
>         CSIDL_APPDATA (0x001a)
>         version 4.71. The file system directory that serves as a common
> repository for application-specific data.
>         A typical path is C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application
> Data.
>         This CSIDL is supported by the redistributable Shfolder.dll for
> systems that do not have the Microsoft internet Explorer 4.0 integrated
> shell installed.
>         */
>         put specialfolderpath(baseconvert("0x001a",16,10)) into
> preferenceFolder
>         return preferenceFolder & "/"
>     else
>         return $HOME & "/Documents/"    # somewhere better?
>         put specialfolderpath("Home") & "/.MyProgram/" into myPreferences
>     end if
> end folder_Preferences
>

2009/5/8 Derek Bump <userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com>

> Hello David,
>
> I ran into the same problem with Preferences and the Registry when I
> started porting my software to Mac.  Since I fully intended to
> eventually port my software to Linux as well, I figured it would be a
> good idea to move away from using the Registry and any "system-specific"
> mechanisms.
>
> I accomplished this by creating a handler that loads a preferences
> stack, that is encrypted.  You can view the handler here...
>
>
>
> on doLoadPreferences
>   -- Save the Default Stack
>   put the defaultStack into cDefaultStack
>
>   -- Determine the Location of the Preferences based on the Operating
> System
>   if platform() = "MacOS" then
>      put specialFolderPath("Preferences") & "/MyProgram/" into
> myPreferences
>   else if platform() = "Win32" then
>      put specialFolderPath("0x001a") & "/MyProgram/" into myPreferences
>   else
>      put specialFolderPath("Home") & "/.MyProgram/" into myPreferences
>   end if
>
>   -- Create the Preferences File
>   if there is not a folder myPreferences then create folder myPreferences
>   put myPreferences & "Preferences.dss" into myPreferences
>   if there is not a file myPreferences then
>      create invisible stack "myPreferences"
>      set the password of stack "myPreferences" to "MyPassword"
>      save stack "myPreferences" as myPreferences
>   else
>      go invisible stack myPreferences
>   end if
>
>   -- Some Fine Tuning
>   hide stack "myPreferences"
>   set the passKey of stack "myPreferences" to "MyPassword"
>   set the defaultStack to cDefaultStack
> end doLoadPreferences
>
>
>
> The hander creates a preference "stack" if needed, and places it in the
> appropriate location for each operating system.  It also loads the
> Preferences stack into memory, and decrypts it so it can be modified.
>
> Then, I created my own versions of the queryRegistry() and getRegistry()
> functions...
>
>
>
> function doGetPref prefName
>   if there is a stack "myPreferences" then
>      put the prefName of stack "myPreferences" into theResult
>      return theResult
>   else
>      return "Error: Preferences Unavailable."
>   end if
> end doGetPref
>
> function doSetPref prefName,prefData
>   if there is a stack "myPreferences" then
>      set the prefName of stack "myPreferences" to prefData
>      save stack "myPreferences"
>      return empty
>   else
>      return "Error: Preferences Unavailable."
>   end if
> end doSetPref
>
>
>
> This allowed me to stop using the Windows Registry completely, and also
> created a fully functional mechanism for creating a Preference file on
> any system.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
>
> David Beck wrote:
> >
> > We are just starting to play around with building stacks for the Mac. We
> > have concentrated exclusively on Windows in the past since that is where
> > the majority of our user base is. However, I have had many requests for
> > a Mac version of the volunteer scheduling software we produce.
> >
> > I can't believe how easy it looks like it will be to migrate to Mac. I
> > tried it the other day and everything just works! It is incredible.
> > Working with Rev just keeps getting better and better!
> >
> > My only question is where to store the preferences that we are storing
> > in the Windows Registry. We do have a mechanism to store preferences,
> > but there are certain preferences that are system wide, and should not
> > change based on the user of the computer (e.g. the install path of a
> > standalone application, etc.). Any advice on where to store these global
> > system-wide preferences on the Mac?
> >
> > Richard, I understand you are using a stackfile for preferences. How
> > exactly do you implement this? That is, what calls do you use to get and
> > set preferences in the stackfile? Does the folder you mentioned
> > (specialApplicationFolder("preferences")) change based on the current
> > user or is it system wide? Also, are there any permissions issues to be
> > careful about?
> >
> > Thanks very much in advance for any guidance!
> >
> > --
> > David Beck
> > Rotunda Software
> > www.ministryschedulerpro.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com  Mon May 11 20:05:14 2009
From: david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com (David Beck)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:05:14 -0700
Subject: Scripting competition
Message-ID: <4A08BD3A.6010108@ministerschedulerpro.com>


I saw this and wanted to participate. have not check it, and there may 
be overflow issues

function recurseFib n
  if n <= 2 then return 1
  return recurseFib( n - 1, n - 2 )
end recurseFib

put recurseFib( 211 )

thanks for the quiz


From stephen at networkxfla.com  Thu May 14 16:17:26 2009
From: stephen at networkxfla.com (crag)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:17:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Not just because
In-Reply-To: <7B8EF123-CECC-4D7C-8D51-9FF5CDA6902E@byu.edu>
References: <CE77B695-94DD-4F4F-8143-F4C31E955D00@anachreon.co.uk>
	<0C16B11C-D623-4AD2-8800-A8C0875C0ADC@economy-x-talk.com>
	<0C28C6B8-2B41-4072-A9B6-9537683549FA@anachreon.co.uk>
	<C63100E2.7F4%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<D2931395-FADD-4322-986E-241EB7994939@anachreon.co.uk>
	<C631D9E3.85A%stephen@networkxfla.com>
	<7B8EF123-CECC-4D7C-8D51-9FF5CDA6902E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <23548221.post@talk.nabble.com>


That's exactly what I needed. Thanks. Ok next time I'll ask before
complaining. 


Devin Asay wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Stephen Cox wrote:
> 
>> Heh.
>>
>> I'd be happy to find simple calendar popups.
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> Do you mean a small calendar that pops up and lets you click a date,  
> then returns that date to your handler? Sarah Reichelt has one on her  
> sample stacks download page:
> 
> http://troz.on-rev.com/stacks.irev
> 
> You'll want to save the file linked under Calendar, or just open it  
> directly in rev with 'go stack URL "http://url/to/stack.rev".
> 
> HTH
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From lan.kc.onrev at gmail.com  Tue May 19 01:24:54 2009
From: lan.kc.onrev at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:24:54 +0800
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> > Hi Guys,
>
> Not a guy, but having my say anyway :-)
>

Typical female ;-) Then again, uses a Mac and speaks fluent Rev - not so
typical after all ;-)

>
>
> > What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
> > What's the latency?
>
> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!
>

Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even your own
on-Rev site, at the bottom,  shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of Texas
time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your computer
before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's difficult
sending your messages 'back to the future'. Maybe that's why the Rev servers
are in Texas, I notice the Delorean factory is there:

http://www.delorean.com/

I love that movie ;-)


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 21 12:23:35 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:23:35 -0600
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
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On May 18, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>
>>> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
>>> What's the latency?
>>
>> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!
>>
>
> Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even  
> your own
> on-Rev site, at the bottom,  shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of  
> Texas
> time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your  
> computer
> before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's  
> difficult
> sending your messages 'back to the future'.

There is a simple explanation. Sarah obviously has ported Jacque's  
Time Warp stack to on-rev.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobs at twft.com  Thu May 21 12:42:58 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:42:58 -0700
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <3DC0B144-852F-4CAF-B695-0BA74667F224@byu.edu>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
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	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC0B144-852F-4CAF-B695-0BA74667F224@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <F2B6F549-3B2A-4193-8E18-A7927B8D3F5F@twft.com>



On May 21, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On May 18, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
>>>> What's the latency?
>>>
>>> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!
>>>
>>
>> Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even
>> your own
>> on-Rev site, at the bottom,  shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of
>> Texas
>> time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your
>> computer
>> before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's
>> difficult
>> sending your messages 'back to the future'.
>
> There is a simple explanation. Sarah obviously has ported Jacque's
> Time Warp stack to on-rev.
>
> Devin
>
Ya know I used that stack once! I went back to when I was a whimpy  
little child and whipped my own arse. When I got back I found I was a  
much more well rounded person. Thanks Jacque!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 21 12:52:27 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:52:27 -0500
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <3DC0B144-852F-4CAF-B695-0BA74667F224@byu.edu>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC0B144-852F-4CAF-B695-0BA74667F224@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A1586CB.30803@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
> 
> On May 18, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
>>>> What's the latency?
>>>
>>> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!
>>>
>>
>> Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even 
>> your own
>> on-Rev site, at the bottom,  shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of 
>> Texas
>> time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your 
>> computer
>> before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's difficult
>> sending your messages 'back to the future'.
> 
> There is a simple explanation. Sarah obviously has ported Jacque's Time 
> Warp stack to on-rev.

Yeah, but she only figured out the part that goes backward.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 21 12:53:34 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:53:34 -0500
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <F2B6F549-3B2A-4193-8E18-A7927B8D3F5F@twft.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>	<3DC0B144-852F-4CAF-B695-0BA74667F224@byu.edu>
	<F2B6F549-3B2A-4193-8E18-A7927B8D3F5F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4A15870E.4050608@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Ya know I used that stack once! I went back to when I was a whimpy 
> little child and whipped my own arse. When I got back I found I was a 
> much more well rounded person. Thanks Jacque!

So now you're so well-rounded that when you sit down, you roll off the 
chair?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May 21 13:07:24 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:07:24 -0500
Subject: What is "the platform" on Win64?
In-Reply-To: <4A156DDB.1050006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C63AF47C.1D924%kray@sonsothunder.com>




On 5/21/09 10:06 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> The Dictionary lists these values for "the platform":
> 
>     MacOS           any Mac OS, OS X, or Darwin system
>     Linux           Linux for Intel or PowerPC architecture
>     BSD             BSD UNIX (BSDI, FreeBSD)
>     HP-9000/700     HP-UX
>     SGI IRIS        Silicon Graphics IRIX
>     IBM RS/6000     AIX
>     Intel SCO       SCO Open DeskTop
>     Intel SVR4      Solaris for x86 architecture
>     SPARC           SPARC SunOS
>     SPARC Solaris   SPARC Solaris
>     Win32           Windows (any version post-3.1)
> 
> What does "the platform" return on 64-bit Windows systems?

"Win32"

Although I'm sure there should be some way to determine you're on a 64-bit
system... 

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From gregg.irwin at gmail.com  Thu May 21 13:18:02 2009
From: gregg.irwin at gmail.com (Gregg Irwin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:18:02 -0600
Subject: What is "the platform" on Win64?
In-Reply-To: <4A156DDB.1050006@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A156DDB.1050006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5210314674.20090521111802@gmail.com>

Hi Richard,

RG> What does "the platform" return on 64-bit Windows systems?

It returns Win32 here.

--Gregg



From bobs at twft.com  Thu May 21 13:23:15 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:23:15 -0700
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <4A15870E.4050608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
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Message-ID: <6CC01B0F-70A7-4808-A381-7DA99C1A8E8E@twft.com>

On May 21, 2009, at 9:53 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Ya know I used that stack once! I went back to when I was a whimpy
>> little child and whipped my own arse. When I got back I found I was a
>> much more well rounded person. Thanks Jacque!
>
> So now you're so well-rounded that when you sit down, you roll off the
> chair?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
Is that a bad thing?

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 21 13:25:52 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:25:52 -0600
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <4A15870E.4050608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
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On May 21, 2009, at 10:53 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Ya know I used that stack once! I went back to when I was a whimpy
>> little child and whipped my own arse. When I got back I found I was a
>> much more well rounded person. Thanks Jacque!
>
> So now you're so well-rounded that when you sit down, you roll off the
> chair?

Hark! I hear the sound of a distant rim-shot.

[ba-dump-bum ching!]

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May 21 13:29:59 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:29:59 -0500
Subject: arrays
In-Reply-To: <199-1674630765.20090520224623@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C63AF9C7.1D92D%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> The "filter" command is one of those things that you can stare at for
> a while, but it doesn't really click until you have a use for it. Then
> whole new worlds open up.

On major caveat on "filter" though, and that is that the closer to the left
edge of a line the filter is acting on (or the less complex the filter), the
faster it will run.

For example, let's say you have 2000 lines of data that's formatted into 10
columns (tab-separated). If you want to search for the string "test" in the
first column, the filter is something like:

"*test*"

If you want to look to see if it's in the second column, it would be:

".*" & tab & "*test*"

and the third column would be:

".*" & tab & ".*" & tab & "*test*"

etc.

Using this approach, filtering in column 10 is WAY slower than filtering in
column 1.

Anyway, just wanted to bring up that filter can be really fast, but when it
gets slow you'll want to pick another method.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 21 13:30:05 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:30:05 -0600
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <4A1586CB.30803@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
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	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4A1586CB.30803@hyperactivesw.com>
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On May 21, 2009, at 10:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>>
>> On May 18, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What about the delay going from the U.S. and back?
>>>>> What's the latency?
>>>>
>>>> Hah! Try being in Australia before complaining about latency!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even
>>> your own
>>> on-Rev site, at the bottom,  shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of
>>> Texas
>>> time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your
>>> computer
>>> before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's  
>>> difficult
>>> sending your messages 'back to the future'.
>>
>> There is a simple explanation. Sarah obviously has ported Jacque's  
>> Time
>> Warp stack to on-rev.
>
> Yeah, but she only figured out the part that goes backward.

No, it's just a limitation of the web. HTTP is read-only and temporal- 
past-only. We'll have to wait for the next version of the HTTP  
protocol to get temporal-future capability. It's just one more  
advantage of the Rev desktop environment. :-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From tom.cole at asu.edu  Thu May 21 13:32:28 2009
From: tom.cole at asu.edu (Tom Cole)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:32:28 -0700
Subject: filter
Message-ID: <128497CF-2301-481C-9B47-16D8B51BBBBD@asu.edu>

Does anyone know why I get no data in a variable when I filter more  
than once?
In the following, either of the filters works alone with the other  
commented out, but together I get no data.

on mouseup
   put fld sortfield into cat

   --FILTER #1
   put "12/15/1971" into rat
   filter cat with "*"&rat&"*"
   put cat into fld sortfield

     --FILTER #2
   put "elliot and cooper roads" into dog
   filter cat with "*"&dog&"*"
   put cat into fld sortfield
   put fld sortfield into cat

end mouseUp

Thanks
Tom

From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Thu May 21 16:38:28 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:38:28 -0700
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <4A14E07B.8060305@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C63B09D4.254%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>




On 5/20/09 10:02 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, the way my stack is set up, the MainStack which is the splash screen
>> which has no title bar at all, all scripts are placed in that stack and then
>> about 35 subStacks.
> 
> What command do you use to open a substack?
Go to stack "whatever"
Thanks, Hershel




From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:27:10 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:27:10 +0100
Subject: filter
In-Reply-To: <128497CF-2301-481C-9B47-16D8B51BBBBD@asu.edu>
References: <128497CF-2301-481C-9B47-16D8B51BBBBD@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905211127x1f62ec6crf828a9ddd076ed2c@mail.gmail.com>

put "one" & cr & "two" & cr & "owl" into tList

filter tList with "o*"

gives you

owl
one

Filtering that 2 line list with

filter tList with "t*"

will give you an empty list.  The first filter removed anything that
would match the 2nd filter, therefore the list is empty.

Bernard

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Tom Cole <tom.cole at asu.edu> wrote:
> Does anyone know why I get no data in a variable when I filter more than
> once?
> In the following, either of the filters works alone with the other commented
> out, but together I get no data.
>
> on mouseup
> ?put fld sortfield into cat
>
> ?--FILTER #1
> ?put "12/15/1971" into rat
> ?filter cat with "*"&rat&"*"
> ?put cat into fld sortfield
>
> ? ?--FILTER #2
> ?put "elliot and cooper roads" into dog
> ?filter cat with "*"&dog&"*"
> ?put cat into fld sortfield
> ?put fld sortfield into cat
>
> end mouseUp
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May 21 14:28:39 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:28:39 -0500
Subject: What is "the platform" on Win64?
In-Reply-To: <C63AF47C.1D924%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C63B0787.1D939%kray@sonsothunder.com>



> "Win32"
> 
> Although I'm sure there should be some way to determine you're on a 64-bit
> system... 

Actually I think it's a combination of problems. "The platform" shouldn't
include the processor speed; it should just be "Windows". But "the
processor" needs to be fixed so it doesn't return "x86" when running in a
64-bit system (which it does now).

So my recommendation would be to add "Windows" as a platform that is the
same as "Win32" and deprecate "Win32", and then fix "the processor" to
return a proper processor value for 64-bit processors.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu May 21 14:56:51 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:56:51 -0400
Subject: Data Grid Comment
In-Reply-To: <fc.009867af001a8f96009867af001a8f96.1a8fa1@CreaTECHSol.com>
References: <fc.009867af001a8f96009867af001a8f96.1a8fa1@CreaTECHSol.com>
Message-ID: <47908F66-13F1-46D8-B1F1-93BEB1504472@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 18, 2009, at 9:06 PM, RevList wrote:

> The Data Grid is fantastic.
> I just used two data grid tables in my recent project and it worked  
> like a charm.
> I created Stand Alone versions for Mac and Win and have made them
> available one of my web sites four our  customer access.
> If you are interested, see
> http://www.firstclass.com/~slynch/FOV13-0025D13D/?OpenItemURL=S04E88F59-04E88F59
> I have a short video that showcases the utility.

Hi Stewart,

Thanks for sharing your application. Looks great!

> ...
> What I really like is the Question/Answer way in which the  
> documentation
> is set up.  This is very helpful.
>
> A question for Trevor.  As you answer questions in this forum, do  
> you add
> the question to your online documentation?

Usually, yes. I'm a firm believe in documentation that evolves as you  
handle support requests. Using Questions/Answers is another technique  
we employ at my company and which we teach to our ScreenSteps/ 
ScreenSteps Live customers.

In my experience people don't read manuals and only start looking at  
documentation when they are trying to solve a particular problem.  
Looking through questions and answers helps them solve their immediate  
problem and makes them happy. Having to read a manual and translate  
what they read into a particular task is more time consuming.

I discussed some of the techniques I employ when writing documentation  
in revUp issue 70. How you approach your documentation determines  
whether or not you will get it done, and, after it is finished,  
whether or not your customers will get a lot of use out of it.

<http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue70/newsletter1.php>

> If not, it would be really nice if someone could build an FAQ of all  
> of
> the questions that are being answered.
> I really like reading the responses and trying to file them away  
> somewhere
> as I know that I will have the same question some time.

The manual is continually being added to and refined. Today I started  
a tips and tricks manual that shows how to convert a database cursor  
to an array you can assign to a data grid and I added a lesson showing  
how to create a data grid by hand. I also updated the API chapter.

Data Grid Tips & Tricks
<https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid_tips 
 >

Creating a Data Grid By Hand
<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4488-Creating-A-Data-Grid-By-Hand 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu May 21 14:59:27 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:59:27 -0400
Subject: Data grid
In-Reply-To: <C6384261.213%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C6384261.213%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <3ADC7608-F2E4-485C-A812-E098F333262A@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 19, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> I want to set the header names on the fly  it works on one and on  
> one it
> only works if I delete all the col names first and then the second  
> time it
> no longer works.

I haven't been able to reproduce what you are seeing yet. I played  
around with setting the dgColumnLabel[pColumn] of the data grid and  
always had expected results - column label was drawn with the value I  
set. Can you share some code that shows what you are doing, what you  
expected to see and what you are actually seeing?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu May 21 15:48:58 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: setting fld with HTML: "<H3>Title</H3>" results in added empty lines
Message-ID: <23659327.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,
(hopefully, the html tags I'm using in this message don't get lost in
transit)

Here goes:
When I use the following script to populate a field, the first 2 lines
before the "<H3>" text and the line after the "</H3>" text are empty.
What's up with that?

##
on mouseUp
   put "<H3>This is the title</H3>" into tText
   put "This is the second line" after tText
   set the htmlText of fld 1 to tText
end mouseUp
##

To clean the field up after the above script, I use the following:
delete line 1 to 2 of fld 1  --removes first 2 blank lines
delete line 2 to 2 of fld 1  --removes blank line after "<H3>" text

I've set the properties of the field to the following:
textHeight = 17
fixedLineHeight = unchecked (false)
These help to better proportion the text height with using the "<H3>" tags.

Q: so why would RunRev put these blank lines in using the "set htmlText"
command?
It seems setting the field property is enough to set the style of the field
correctly.

Q: anyone got a better idea how to handle using "<H3>" text, without blank
lines?

--
 Regards,
 Mark Stuart
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 16:02:12 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:02:12 -0700
Subject: setting fld with HTML: "<H3>Title</H3>" results in added empty
	lines
In-Reply-To: <23659327.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23659327.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CB19BED2-E75F-425C-B133-3D27455F33AF@yahoo.com>

Mark, try
------------
on mousedoubleUp
   put "<H3>This is the title</H3>" into tText
   put "This is the second line" after tText
   set the htmlText of fld 1 to tText

   put the htmltext of fld 1 into msg

   get the htmlText of fld 1
   replace "<p></p>" with empty in it
   set the htmlText of fld 1 to it
end mousedoubleUp

----------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On May 21, 2009, at 12:48 PM, mfstuart wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> (hopefully, the html tags I'm using in this message don't get lost in
> transit)
>
> Here goes:
> When I use the following script to populate a field, the first 2 lines
> before the "<H3>" text and the line after the "</H3>" text are empty.
> What's up with that?
>
> ##
> on mouseUp
>   put "<H3>This is the title</H3>" into tText
>   put "This is the second line" after tText
>   set the htmlText of fld 1 to tText
> end mouseUp
> ##
>
> To clean the field up after the above script, I use the following:
> delete line 1 to 2 of fld 1  --removes first 2 blank lines
> delete line 2 to 2 of fld 1  --removes blank line after "<H3>" text
>
> I've set the properties of the field to the following:
> textHeight = 17
> fixedLineHeight = unchecked (false)
> These help to better proportion the text height with using the  
> "<H3>" tags.
>
> Q: so why would RunRev put these blank lines in using the "set  
> htmlText"
> command?
> It seems setting the field property is enough to set the style of  
> the field
> correctly.
>
> Q: anyone got a better idea how to handle using "<H3>" text, without  
> blank
> lines?

Jim Ault
jimaultwins at yahoo.com





From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May 21 16:22:43 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:22:43 -0400
Subject: setting fld with HTML: "<H3>Title</H3>" results in added empty
	lines
References: <23659327.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <gv4d78$p0h$1@ger.gmane.org>

Mark,

The problem you're running into is that the "htmlText" is not truly HTML, 
and the <H3> tag is not supported. If you inspect the contents of the 
htmlText after your script executes you'll see:

<p><font size="18"><b>This is the title</b></font></p>

The <H3> tag is nowhere to be seen.

So what is happening is that the <h3> tag is being transformed from a 
structural tag (identifying a heading and letting the browser/style sheet 
determine how it appears) into a formatting tag that Rev understands. Rev 
pretty much assumes than an <H3> heading should look something like that.

This is handy when you're dropping the contents of a web page into a field; 
but when you're working scripting and using the htmlText to format things 
you'll want to strictly limit yourself to the supported tags so you do not 
have unexpected results like this.

This behavior and the supported tags are described in the dictionary entry 
for htmlText.

- Bill


"mfstuart" <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote in message 
news:23659327.post at talk.nabble.com...
>
> Hi all,
> (hopefully, the html tags I'm using in this message don't get lost in
> transit)
>
> Here goes:
> When I use the following script to populate a field, the first 2 lines
> before the "<H3>" text and the line after the "</H3>" text are empty.
> What's up with that?
>
> ##
> on mouseUp
>   put "<H3>This is the title</H3>" into tText
>   put "This is the second line" after tText
>   set the htmlText of fld 1 to tText
> end mouseUp
> ##
>
> To clean the field up after the above script, I use the following:
> delete line 1 to 2 of fld 1  --removes first 2 blank lines
> delete line 2 to 2 of fld 1  --removes blank line after "<H3>" text
>
> I've set the properties of the field to the following:
> textHeight = 17
> fixedLineHeight = unchecked (false)
> These help to better proportion the text height with using the "<H3>" 
> tags.
>
> Q: so why would RunRev put these blank lines in using the "set htmlText"
> command?
> It seems setting the field property is enough to set the style of the 
> field
> correctly.
>
> Q: anyone got a better idea how to handle using "<H3>" text, without blank
> lines?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart





From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu May 21 16:40:19 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:40:19 -0700
Subject: setting fld with HTML: "<H3>Title</H3>" results in added empty lines
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79D95@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Bill Marriott on Thu May 21, 2009 - 3:22 PM CDT

>>>
So what is happening is that the <h3> tag is being transformed from a 
structural tag (identifying a heading and letting the browser/style
sheet 
determine how it appears) into a formatting tag that Rev understands.
Rev 
pretty much assumes than an <H3> heading should look something like
that.
<<<

I see. Didn't know that. OK, I will proceed with your recommendations.

--
 Kind regards,
 Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu May 21 16:46:19 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:46:19 -0700
Subject: setting fld with HTML: "<H3>Title</H3>" results in added empty lines
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79D96@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Jim Ault on Thu May 21, 2009 - 3:02 PM CDT

 

Hi Jim,

With your script part:

  put the htmlText of fld 1 into msg

really shows what Bill was talking about.

 

I think this <p></p> thing is a little over kill on RunRev's part.

But now I see it, I know what to handle it.

 

Thanx to Jim and Bill.

 

--

 Regards,

 Mark Stuart

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu May 21 18:10:56 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:10:56 +0100
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>

Marty Knapp wrote:
> Hey Alex,
>
> You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people 
> here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you 
> register "alextweedly.com" Then you edit the Nameserver setting with 
> the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev 
> provides, which is probably:
>
> ns1.on-rev.com
> ns2.on-rev.com
>
> Then you can create an "Add-on" domain in your On-Rev control panel 
> with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new 
> directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests 
> for "alextweedly.com" will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. 
> And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites.
>
> A "freebie" you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account 
> name, like "alextweedly.on-rev.com". You can host a site at this 
> address without further registration.
>
> HTH,
No, it doesn't - but thanks for trying to help.

I already have a domain (actually, quite a few of them :-)
I want to migrate some of them to OnRev, but like Sarah I want to test 
them properly before I risk changing nameservers, in case I am breaking 
something, and would have the site be down for a day or two before I can 
change them back again.

So the process Sarah described, namely
> [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
> DNS.
So the question was quite precise ....  how do you "change a sub-domain 
to an AddOn domain" ?

There is no mention in the docs (afaics) of changing sub-domain to addon 
domain.

Thanks
-- Alex.

> Marty Knapp
>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com.
>>> I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I
>>> wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
>>> DNS.
>>>   
>> Could you expand slightly on how you do this ?
>>
>> I (think I) unerstand most of it
>> - create a sub-domain
>> - copy files over
>> - test it
>>
>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -- Alex.
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From jhj at jhj.com  Thu May 21 18:22:48 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:22:48 -0700
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net> <4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <EA8AE2A3-04CC-4BA8-97EE-7BEDA4A2FB6B@jhj.com>

You use the cPanel to AddOn your domain. If you haven't changed the  
DNS yet, nothing will happen to your old site, and the AddOn routine  
will complain that the DNS is wrong (which is OK, thats what you are  
trying to do!) The AddOn routine does everything else correctly. Then  
you move your site into the appropriate folder(s). After you are happy  
with how your site runs at on-rev, you change the DNS with your domain  
registrar, and as it percolates through the intertubes your new site  
will be in use. Thats my experience, anyway, with a test site.

Good Luck!
Jerry Jensen

On May 21, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Marty Knapp wrote:
>> Hey Alex,
>>
>> You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many  
>> people here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's  
>> say you register "alextweedly.com" Then you edit the Nameserver  
>> setting with the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the  
>> info that On-Rev provides, which is probably:
>>
>> ns1.on-rev.com
>> ns2.on-rev.com
>>
>> Then you can create an "Add-on" domain in your On-Rev control panel  
>> with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new  
>> directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and  
>> requests for "alextweedly.com" will bring visitors to your On-Rev  
>> hosted site. And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites.
>>
>> A "freebie" you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account  
>> name, like "alextweedly.on-rev.com". You can host a site at this  
>> address without further registration.
>>
>> HTH,
> No, it doesn't - but thanks for trying to help.
>
> I already have a domain (actually, quite a few of them :-)
> I want to migrate some of them to OnRev, but like Sarah I want to  
> test them properly before I risk changing nameservers, in case I am  
> breaking something, and would have the site be down for a day or two  
> before I can change them back again.
>
> So the process Sarah described, namely
>> [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering  
>> the
>> DNS.
> So the question was quite precise ....  how do you "change a sub- 
> domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>
> There is no mention in the docs (afaics) of changing sub-domain to  
> addon domain.
>
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
>
>> Marty Knapp
>>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>> I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com.
>>>> I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I
>>>> wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>>>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>>>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and  
>>>> altering the
>>>> DNS.
>>>>
>>> Could you expand slightly on how you do this ?
>>>
>>> I (think I) unerstand most of it
>>> - create a sub-domain
>>> - copy files over
>>> - test it
>>>
>>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -- Alex.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 21 18:47:51 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:47:51 +1000
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>
	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net> <4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905211547sbd3d262nf5fe2a40182fde51@mail.gmail.com>

>> [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
>> DNS.
>
> So the question was quite precise .... ?how do you "change a sub-domain to
> an AddOn domain" ?

I haven't got to that stage yet, but I assume that when I make an
Add-On domain, I can tell it to use the folder that contains my
sub-domain.
If not, then it will get it's own folder and I will just transfer all
my files from the test sub-domain to the new Add-On domain folder.

I plan to make a complete backup before I try any of this :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu May 21 19:00:55 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:00:55 +0100
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905211547sbd3d262nf5fe2a40182fde51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860905211547sbd3d262nf5fe2a40182fde51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A15DD27.4040404@tweedly.net>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries.
>>> I created a sub-domain "troz.troz.on-rev.com" so I could migrate my
>>> site & test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the
>>> DNS.
>>>       
>> So the question was quite precise ....  how do you "change a sub-domain to
>> an AddOn domain" ?
>>     
>
> I haven't got to that stage yet, but I assume that when I make an
> Add-On domain, I can tell it to use the folder that contains my
> sub-domain.
>   
I think you can; it certainly seems to allow that, but I get an error 
message, and the addon domain is not configured, so I can't tell for 
sure. (But then, I get pretty much the same error just trying to create 
an addon domain with its own folder).

What I get is:
> Error from park wrapper: Using nameservers with the following IPs: 
> 208.96.10.221,66.33.206.206,66.33.216.216 Sorry, the domain is already 
> pointed to an IP address that does not appear to use DNS servers 
> associated with this server. Please transfer the domain to this 
> servers nameservers or have your administrator add one of its 
> nameservers to /etc/ips.remotedns and make the proper A entries on 
> that remote nameserver.
and cPanel says that the addon domain was not created.   I could kind of 
understand the DNS warning, so if cPanel said the domain had been 
created, I would have thought it was just a question of going ahead with 
the transfer, but for now cPanel insists that no addon domains have been 
configured.
> If not, then it will get it's own folder and I will just transfer all
> my files from the test sub-domain to the new Add-On domain folder.
>
> I plan to make a complete backup before I try any of this :-)
>
>   
A backup isn't the problem :-). The problem is that if I transfer the 
domain, and it turns out that cPanel is correct that the domain hasn't 
been set up, then it will just stop working for my current users. I'll 
have all the files - but they won't be reachable.

-- Alex.



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May 21 19:14:57 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:14:57 EDT
Subject: New groups bugaBoo
Message-ID: <cee.594f61f1.37473a71@aol.com>

I have four fields, F1, F2, F3, and F4. Fresh, empty stack.

I wrote a script that groups each field in order, one field to a group, 
thinking that the 'last" group would always be just that, the latest one 
created.

But not so. I came across this because trying to get the "last" group as I 
went along always failed. As one example, per a reading of the groupNames 
property for each iteration: 

Fld "F1" is grouped into group 1 -- all well and good, but trivial
Fld "F2" is then grouped above group 1.
Fld "F3" is then grouped in between groups 2 and 1.
fld "F4" is then grouped into second place, between groups 2 and 3.

So the final ordering of the four new groups, which should be G1,G2,G3,G4 
is actually:

G2, G4, G3, G1

Once, I got correct results. Once. Adding another field (F5) made an even 
worse mess of the expected order.

No problem duplicating this. I can think of workarounds, of course, but, as 
usual, I first ask what I am doing wrong.

Thanks...


**************
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do in the U.S. 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 21 20:09:53 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:09:53 +1000
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A15DD27.4040404@tweedly.net>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>
	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net> <4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860905211547sbd3d262nf5fe2a40182fde51@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A15DD27.4040404@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905211709r6f140006s1956c8459e8e9875@mail.gmail.com>

> I think you can; it certainly seems to allow that, but I get an error
> message, and the addon domain is not configured, so I can't tell for sure.
> (But then, I get pretty much the same error just trying to create an addon
> domain with its own folder).
>
> What I get is:
>>
>> Error from park wrapper: Using nameservers with the following IPs:
>> 208.96.10.221,66.33.206.206,66.33.216.216 Sorry, the domain is already
>> pointed to an IP address that does not appear to use DNS servers associated
>> with this server. Please transfer the domain to this servers nameservers or
>> have your administrator add one of its nameservers to /etc/ips.remotedns and
>> make the proper A entries on that remote nameserver.


Who do you have your domain registered with?
I think that you have to go there FIRST and change the name servers
there so that they now point to the on-rev name servers.

It sounds as if cPanel is refusing to let you create an Add-On domain
because it can see that that domain is already hosted elsewhere.

Cheers,
Sarah


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 21 20:31:20 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:31:20 -0700
Subject: New groups bugaBoo
In-Reply-To: <cee.594f61f1.37473a71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C63B4068.41C95%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I wrote a script that groups each field in order, one field to a group,
> thinking that the 'last" group would always be just that, the latest one
> created.
> 
> But not so. I came across this because trying to get the "last" group as I
> went along always failed.

Yeah, apparently referencing the "last" group is still not reliable.  If you
need to use this approach in your scripts, one option is to name the
templateGroup, rather than using "last", as mentioned here:

http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-am-I-right-with-select-and-group--p10972065.html

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jhj at jhj.com  Thu May 21 20:33:15 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:33:15 -0700
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905211709r6f140006s1956c8459e8e9875@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>
	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net> <4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860905211547sbd3d262nf5fe2a40182fde51@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A15DD27.4040404@tweedly.net>
	<f99b52860905211709r6f140006s1956c8459e8e9875@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBE71A75-8931-4D5B-9213-17FF624D5278@jhj.com>

On May 21, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I think you can; it certainly seems to allow that, but I get an error
>> message, and the addon domain is not configured, so I can't tell  
>> for sure.
>> (But then, I get pretty much the same error just trying to create  
>> an addon
>> domain with its own folder).
>>
>> What I get is:
>>>
>>> Error from park wrapper: Using nameservers with the following IPs:
>>> 208.96.10.221,66.33.206.206,66.33.216.216 Sorry, the domain is  
>>> already
>>> pointed to an IP address that does not appear to use DNS servers  
>>> associated
>>> with this server. Please transfer the domain to this servers  
>>> nameservers or
>>> have your administrator add one of its nameservers to /etc/ 
>>> ips.remotedns and
>>> make the proper A entries on that remote nameserver.
>
>
> Who do you have your domain registered with?
> I think that you have to go there FIRST and change the name servers
> there so that they now point to the on-rev name servers.
>
> It sounds as if cPanel is refusing to let you create an Add-On domain
> because it can see that that domain is already hosted elsewhere.

Yabut, it does the AddOn anyway, in spite of the complaint. Otherwise  
you wouldn't have a chance to make sure it runs OK before you repoint  
the DNS to on-rev.

For example - my home on-rev domain is jhj.on-rev.com and in that root  
is a folder named public_html. When I did the AddOn for jhjensen.com  
it complained, but also made a folder inside public_html named  
jhjensen.com . So I put my html in there, checked it at
http://www.jhj.on-rev.com/jhjensen.com to see that it worked (as it  
still does). I then changed the DNS at my registrar (which happense to  
be pairnic) and after a while,
http://www.jhjensen.com loads the new site as well. It takes a while  
for the DNS to propagate.

So:
http://www.jhj.on-rev.com/jhjensen.com
http://www.jhjensen.com
both load the same page now, but the second one pointed elsewhere  
until I changed the DNS at pairnic.

Go ahead, be brave, that error won't hurt a bit.
--Jerry Jensen



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 21 21:18:54 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:18:54 +1000
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905211818v4b2f00dy9d0506cb908b109e@mail.gmail.com>

> Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even your own
> on-Rev site, at the bottom, ?shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of Texas
> time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your computer
> before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's difficult
> sending your messages 'back to the future'. Maybe that's why the Rev servers
> are in Texas, I notice the Delorean factory is there:

I would tell you all tomorrow's lottery numbers, but that would be wrong....

:-D


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 21 21:59:47 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:59:47 -0500
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905211818v4b2f00dy9d0506cb908b109e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860905211818v4b2f00dy9d0506cb908b109e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A160713.9060501@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> Come on, you know full well that Oz is a day ahead of the US. Even your own
>> on-Rev site, at the bottom,  shows that your time is 15 hrs ahead of Texas
>> time, so it can't be latency because your messages arrive at your computer
>> before they've even arrived at the Texas servers. I assume it's difficult
>> sending your messages 'back to the future'. Maybe that's why the Rev servers
>> are in Texas, I notice the Delorean factory is there:
> 
> I would tell you all tomorrow's lottery numbers, but that would be wrong....

I'd be happy if you'd just tell me what kind of day I will have tomorrow.

I used Mark Waddingham's handy-dandy irev world clock (see latest RevUp) 
and found out you posted sometime between 6 and 7 AM tomorrow. What kind 
of programmer are you, anyway? Don't you know you aren't supposed to 
wake up till noon?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 21 22:27:45 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:27:45 -0700
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <4A160713.9060501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>
	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>
	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>
	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860905211818v4b2f00dy9d0506cb908b109e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A160713.9060501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <197-1600148937.20090521192745@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Thursday, May 21, 2009, 6:59:47 PM, you wrote:

> I'd be happy if you'd just tell me what kind of day I will have tomorrow.

It'll be a Friday on my planet...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri May 22 00:16:52 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:16:52 -0700
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
Message-ID: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>

I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.

http://www.infowallet.com

Thanks to so many fantastic people in the Rev community. Special  
thanks to Geoff Canyon, Ken Ray, Trevor DeVore, and Richard Gaskin  
without whom I don't think I ever would have been able to do this.

Bill Vlahos


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 22 00:18:34 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:18:34 -0700
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
Message-ID: <4A16279A.3060609@fourthworld.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
> 
> http://www.infowallet.com

Way cool, Bill!  Congrats on the release!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn  Fri May 22 00:22:55 2009
From: nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn (Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:22:55 +0700
Subject: dgText and dgData of DataGrid
Message-ID: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E170F9E1@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>

Hi all,

 

I have one button and one data grid "abc" with style "table". Below is
script of button. When I click on button, the datagrid "abc" doesn't
display any thing. Some one help me please? I have already tried for
both "set the dgText[true] of group "abc" to temp" and  "set the dgData
of group "abc" to temp"

 

Repeat with tProgItem = 1 to 10

      put "A" into temp[tProgItem]["Program"]

      put "B" into temp[tProgItem]["Program Name"]

      put "C" into temp[tProgItem]["No. Appls"]

      put "D" into temp[tProgItem]["No. Cond"]

      put "D" into temp[tProgItem]["No. Direct Entries"]

End Repeat

set the dgText[true] of group "abc" to temp

--   set the dgData of group "abc" to temp 

 

Regards,

Nhan



From wjm at wjm.org  Fri May 22 01:55:11 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 01:55:11 -0400
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net><4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>

Alex,

>>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?

Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev:

1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com
2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account
3) Test away
4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev
5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com
5) Point it to the mydomain folder 





From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri May 22 04:57:19 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:57:19 +0200
Subject: New groups bugaBoo
In-Reply-To: <20090519170004.7E3FC48ACFB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090519170004.7E3FC48ACFB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8D34FFB9-7F21-49AC-8F47-BD03462A3C8E@derbrill.de>

The last keyword will always reference the group with the highest  
layer. So if you have nested groups this might fail, or if you set the  
layer property of the group of course.

Hth,

Malte


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri May 22 05:48:42 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:48:42 +0300
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A1674FA.8020203@ekoinf.net>

Congratulations on the release, Bill!

& all the best!
Viktoras

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
>
> http://www.infowallet.com
>
> Thanks to so many fantastic people in the Rev community. Special 
> thanks to Geoff Canyon, Ken Ray, Trevor DeVore, and Richard Gaskin 
> without whom I don't think I ever would have been able to do this.
>
> Bill Vlahos
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May 22 09:12:59 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:12:59 -0400
Subject: dgText and dgData of DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E170F9E1@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
References: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E170F9E1@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
Message-ID: <E1C7EE24-1854-4E8D-A61E-30F1B402E5DF@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 22, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh wrote:

> I have one button and one data grid "abc" with style "table". Below is
> script of button. When I click on button, the datagrid "abc" doesn't
> display any thing. Some one help me please? I have already tried for
> both "set the dgText[true] of group "abc" to temp" and  "set the  
> dgData
> of group "abc" to temp"
>
> Repeat with tProgItem = 1 to 10
>      put "A" into temp[tProgItem]["Program"]
>      put "B" into temp[tProgItem]["Program Name"]
>      put "C" into temp[tProgItem]["No. Appls"]
>      put "D" into temp[tProgItem]["No. Cond"]
>      put "D" into temp[tProgItem]["No. Direct Entries"]
> End Repeat
>
> set the dgText[true] of group "abc" to temp
>
> --   set the dgData of group "abc" to temp 

Hi Nhan,

Since you are creating an array you need to assign the dgData  
property. Before the data will be displayed you will need to customize  
the row template, otherwise the data grid has no idea how to display  
"Program", "Program Name", etc. See this lesson:

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3453-How-Do-I-Customize-A-Form-s-Row-Template- 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 22 09:46:45 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:46:45 EDT
Subject: New groups bugaBoo
Message-ID: <bbe.4c0bfd3b.374806c5@aol.com>

Malte.

No. Believe me, I wish it did.

Layers and numbers are scrambled. At least one other person concurs. No 
nested groups. No errant settings. 

If I group, in succession, five objects, the resulting numbers of the five 
new groups are not "1,2,3,4,5", but rather, (let me look at my latest run) 
"1,5,3,2,4". The layers are not "6,7,8,9,10" as they ought to be, since five 
objects existed first, but rather "1,10.5.3.8". So even the original objects 
are reordered in layer.

Again, I found this only because I was extracting the "last" group every 
time I created one. I always got a list that made no sense. The process is 
random, though there are a few unstable trends.

This is not, thank heaven, an issue with objects, only with groups. Um, I 
know groups are objects.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 5/22/09 4:57:39 AM, revolution at derbrill.de writes:

> The last keyword will always reference the group with the highest?
> layer. So if you have nested groups this might fail, or if you set the?
> layer property of the group of course.
> 
> Hth,
> 




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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 22 09:52:57 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:52:57 EDT
Subject: New groups bugaBoo
Message-ID: <c1d.63983f5a.37480839@aol.com>

Scott.

Thanks. Not only is the "templateWhatEver" cool in its own right, and yet 
another tool I was not aware of, it makes a workaround a snap.

But this is a bug, I think.

Craig


In a message dated 5/21/09 8:31:39 PM, scott at tactilemedia.com writes:


> Yeah, apparently referencing the "last" group is still not reliable.? If 
> you
> need to use this approach in your scripts, one option is to name the
> templateGroup, rather than using "last", as mentioned here:
> 




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From andersen at mwdental.com  Fri May 22 10:22:12 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:22:12 -0500
Subject: Launching .rev files on WinXP
Message-ID: <002301c9dae8$b3033710$1909a530$@com>

OK, I guess I need the long weekend more than I realized...

I have 3.5.0 build 870 on my WinXP Pro computer.  When I double click
on a ".rev" file, it luanches the Rev IDE, but it doesn't load the file.

I must go to File>Open and select the file.  Then it will open.

I right clicked on the .rev file and said "Open with" to see if it
might correct the problem, but I don't even have the "Revolution.exe"
file as an option.  I "browsed" to the .exe and selected it, but
it still won't show up in the list of available programs to open up
the file...

Anyone else seen this?

Bill
 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 22 10:50:09 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:50:09 -0500
Subject: On-Rev Signup
In-Reply-To: <197-1600148937.20090521192745@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AAE2CA96-5B9D-4C8F-80E3-CC82E6CAD767@twft.com>	<gur6o5$ul4$1@ger.gmane.org>	<C299B156-69C6-4371-9372-DC43F269DBF5@all-auctions.com>	<f99b52860905181353p6ee7ce43w4aa5d26c2a0ef90d@mail.gmail.com>	<82e795340905182224k752cb1f2m7e46ae5096813f43@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860905211818v4b2f00dy9d0506cb908b109e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A160713.9060501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<197-1600148937.20090521192745@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A16BBA1.30608@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
> Thursday, May 21, 2009, 6:59:47 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I'd be happy if you'd just tell me what kind of day I will have tomorrow.
> 
> It'll be a Friday on my planet...
> 

Looks like I need to recalibrate...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 22 11:10:06 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:10:06 +0100
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
Message-ID: <200905221610.06131.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

How to do this?  I have tried to use onreloadStack, just trapping it in the 
stack script, but this seems to do nothing.  Even if the command is to 
close the stack on reloadStack, it opens anyway.

The other one would be relaunch, but it seems to be Win only.

There was a thread and -- was it Richard Gaskin? someone talked about how 
he always did this in the preliminaries to his stack opening.  Can't seem 
to find it.

Peter


From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Fri May 22 11:41:23 2009
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:41:23 +0300
Subject: Vista folder path
Message-ID: <47B7E5D3-B870-467D-A20A-6B13981EF435@mac.com>

I'm just now trying to get an old project working in Vista, and need  
to deposit a folder in the equivalent of the Application Data folder  
in XP. What must I add to the following? I know absolutely nothing  
about Visa, so I don't even know if there is an Application Data  
folder like the one in XP or where it is, and if there isn't one,  
where should this folder go (complete file path and specialFolderPath,  
if there is one.)

    if word 1 of the systemversion = "NT" then
       put specialFolderPath(35) into fPath
     else
       put specialfolderpath("system") into fPath
     end if

Cheers!

Lars



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri May 22 12:16:13 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:16:13 -0700
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A16CFCD.5090307@pdslabs.net>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
>
> http://www.infowallet.com
>
> Thanks to so many fantastic people in the Rev community. Special 
> thanks to Geoff Canyon, Ken Ray, Trevor DeVore, and Richard Gaskin 
> without whom I don't think I ever would have been able to do this.
>
> Bill Vlahos

Great news Bill! Congratulations.
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Fri May 22 12:38:19 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:19 -0700
Subject: Launching .rev files on WinXP
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79DA6@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by Bill Andersen on Fri May 22, 2009 - 09:22 AM CDT

>>>
OK, I guess I need the long weekend more than I realized...
I have 3.5.0 build 870 on my WinXP Pro computer.  When I double click
on a ".rev" file, it luanches the Rev IDE, but it doesn't load the file.
I must go to File>Open and select the file.  Then it will open.
I right clicked on the .rev file and said "Open with" to see if it
might correct the problem, but I don't even have the "Revolution.exe"
file as an option.  I "browsed" to the .exe and selected it, but
it still won't show up in the list of available programs to open up
the file...
Anyone else seen this?
Bill
<<<

Hi Bill,
I've found that applying the following changes, seems to fix things with
this concern:

1) Open Windows Explorer
2) Select Tools > Folder Options from the pulldown menu
3) Click on the File Types tab
4) hilite the REV Extension (typing REV will locate the line)
5) Click the 'Advanced' button
6) Select the 'Open' action and click the 'Edit...' button
Now...
In the 'Application used to perform action:' field, browse to the rev
folder for which version of RunRev you want launched for ALL .rev files.
The result of editing this, should look like this:

   "C:\Program Files\Revolution Studio\3.5.0-gm-2\Revolution.exe" "%1"

The "%1" parameter is the file that is being selected to open by you.
Click OK to save your changes.

--
 HTH you,
 Mark Stuart
Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 22 13:02:38 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:02:38 -0500
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <C63B09D4.254%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C63B09D4.254%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4A16DAAE.5060101@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
> On 5/20/09 10:02 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> What command do you use to open a substack?
> Go to stack "whatever"

That was going to be my suggestion but you are already doing it. I 
haven't seen what you describe so I'm afraid I'm stuck. I don't know why 
it isn't working, but since it works in new stacks, there must be 
something in that particular stack that's causing the problem.

There are two things that will cause a titlebar to change: opening a 
stack in a style that doesn't support the original decorations, or a 
script that sets the decorations. I think you'll need to look over your 
stacks to see if either of these conditions apply.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Fri May 22 16:26:07 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:26:07 -0700
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <4A16DAAE.5060101@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C63C586F.27B%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>


Hi, I added a new subStack to this mainStack the decorations were set to
"title,menue,minimize" with two btn's, one to set it to
"title,menue,minimize" and two to set it to "title,menue,minimize,close",
compiled it, opened up there was only one box, the close box disabled, then
when hitting btn 2 the close box got enabled btn 1 disabled it again.
Besides these btn's no scripts in the stack or card.
Thanks, Hershel 
> 
> There are two things that will cause a titlebar to change: opening a
> stack in a style that doesn't support the original decorations, or a
> script that sets the decorations. I think you'll need to look over your
> stacks to see if either of these conditions apply.




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri May 22 13:34:53 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:34:53 -0700
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <516E45F069BD4961838500C4C4B722BA@GATEWAY>

> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
> 
> http://www.infowallet.com

Looks very polished, Bill. Id stress as well how useful something like this
is in the case of family emergencies.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 22 14:18:13 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:18:13 -0500
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <C63C586F.27B%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
References: <C63C586F.27B%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>
Message-ID: <4A16EC65.9070306@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> Hi, I added a new subStack to this mainStack the decorations were set to
> "title,menue,minimize" with two btn's, one to set it to
> "title,menue,minimize" and two to set it to "title,menue,minimize,close",
> compiled it, opened up there was only one box, the close box disabled, then
> when hitting btn 2 the close box got enabled btn 1 disabled it again.

Did you really spell it "menue" or is that a typo? It needs to be "menu".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From andersen at mwdental.com  Fri May 22 15:13:01 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:13:01 -0500
Subject: Launching .rev files on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79DA6@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79DA6@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c9db11$5357f4d0$fa07de70$@com>

> 1) Open Windows Explorer
> 2) Select Tools > Folder Options from the pulldown menu
> 3) Click on the File Types tab
> 4) hilite the REV Extension (typing REV will locate the line)
> 5) Click the 'Advanced' button
> 6) Select the 'Open' action and click the 'Edit...' button
> Now...
> In the 'Application used to perform action:' field, browse to the rev
> folder for which version of RunRev you want launched for ALL .rev files.
> The result of editing this, should look like this:
>
>    "C:\Program Files\Revolution Studio\3.5.0-gm-2\Revolution.exe" "%1"
>
> The "%1" parameter is the file that is being selected to open by you.

Mark, 

  Yes, that worked great.  Thank you.

  The weird part is, the "Advanced" button didn't show up at first.  The
  button was actually "Restore".  There was a note that said the ".rev"
  files would be using the application for ".rav" and I could click restore
  to set it back to the default ".rev"  Man, I have no idea how that
happened.

  Thanks

Bill




From hershrev at syp2u4c.com  Fri May 22 18:33:14 2009
From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:33:14 -0700
Subject: Decorations
In-Reply-To: <4A16EC65.9070306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C63C763A.280%hershrev@syp2u4c.com>

typo


On 5/22/09 11:18 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> Hi, I added a new subStack to this mainStack the decorations were set to
>> "title,menue,minimize" with two btn's, one to set it to
>> "title,menue,minimize" and two to set it to "title,menue,minimize,close",
>> compiled it, opened up there was only one box, the close box disabled, then
>> when hitting btn 2 the close box got enabled btn 1 disabled it again.
> 
> Did you really spell it "menue" or is that a typo? It needs to be "menu".




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May 22 18:21:14 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:21:14 +1000
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>
	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net> <4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>
	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net> <gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com>

>>>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>
> Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev:
>
> 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com
> 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account
> 3) Test away
> 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev
> 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com
> 5) Point it to the mydomain folder


Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question:
I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see
various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc.
My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder.
So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a
sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder
of it's own?

Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net
files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say
tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder.

Cheers,
Sarah


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri May 22 18:51:41 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:51:41 +0100
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<FE7D82D5-FDAC-4EB6-9F68-7ED5CCD35E42@mac.com>	<49ECB752.7090909@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net><4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A172C7D.10400@tweedly.net>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Alex,
>
>   
>>>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>>>>         
>
> Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev:
>
> 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com
> 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account
> 3) Test away
> 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev
> 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com
> 5) Point it to the mydomain folder 
>
>   
Thanks Bill (and Sarah, Jerry and others). I'll finish my testing and 
then give it a try.

-- Alex.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri May 22 18:56:47 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:56:47 -0700
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905221556y2583ee0cq6a78b022d523952e@mail.gmail.com>

And when's the iPhone version coming out?
Nice work, Bill.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/5/21 Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>

> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
>
> http://www.infowallet.com
>
> Thanks to so many fantastic people in the Rev community. Special thanks to
> Geoff Canyon, Ken Ray, Trevor DeVore, and Richard Gaskin without whom I
> don't think I ever would have been able to do this.
>
> Bill Vlahos
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


From wjm at wjm.org  Fri May 22 19:24:22 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:24:22 -0400
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>

If the content will ultimately be it's own domain and not a subdomain, then 
I would put the folder at the not, and not within the /public_html 
hierarchy.


"Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> 
wrote in message 
news:f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3 at mail.gmail.com...
>>>>> But how do you "change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain" ?
>>
>> Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev:
>>
>> 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com
>> 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account
>> 3) Test away
>> 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to 
>> on-Rev
>> 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com
>> 5) Point it to the mydomain folder
>
>
> Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question:
> I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see
> various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc.
> My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder.
> So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a
> sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder
> of it's own?
>
> Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net
> files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say
> tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 22 20:34:59 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:34:59 -0500
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A1744B3.4010504@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> If the content will ultimately be it's own domain and not a subdomain, then 
> I would put the folder at the not, and not within the /public_html 
> hierarchy.

I have both a subdomain and an add-on domain at JaguarPC, in addition to 
my primary hyperactivesw.com domain. Both the subdomain and the add-on 
folders are located inside the public_html folder of my 
hyperactivesw.com folder. This was the default location where JaguarPC 
put them, and I assume is how it needs to be set up. As far as I can 
see, there is no difference at all between my subdomain and my add-on, 
except that the add-on has its own DNS lookup. I expect most Apache 
installations work the same way.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 22 20:39:52 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:39:52 -0500
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1745D8.7070807@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question:
> I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see
> various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc.
> My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder.
> So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a
> sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder
> of it's own?
> 
> Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net
> files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say
> tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder.

When you choose an add-on or a subdomain, cpanel will put it where it 
needs to go. This is usually inside the public_html folder of your main 
on-rev domain.

I suspect there is little difference between a subdomain and an add-on, 
and that cpanel only uses the different terminology to configure the 
server so it knows where requests are to be sent. I'd just leave the 
folders where they are created by cpanel and let the auto-configuration 
work its magic. As you mentioned, it's pretty easy to move the html 
files from one folder to another if you need to.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May 22 20:45:38 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:45:38 -0500
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C63CB162.1D9C6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
> 
> http://www.infowallet.com

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but I want to chime in as well...

Congrats, Bill! I know how much effort you've put into this, and it looks
like it paid off!


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May 22 20:46:54 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:46:54 -0500
Subject: Vista folder path
In-Reply-To: <47B7E5D3-B870-467D-A20A-6B13981EF435@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C63CB1AE.1D9C8%kray@sonsothunder.com>




On 5/22/09 10:41 AM, "Lars Brehmer" <larsbrehmer at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm just now trying to get an old project working in Vista, and need
> to deposit a folder in the equivalent of the Application Data folder
> in XP. What must I add to the following? I know absolutely nothing
> about Visa, so I don't even know if there is an Application Data
> folder like the one in XP or where it is, and if there isn't one,
> where should this folder go (complete file path and specialFolderPath,
> if there is one.)
> 
>     if word 1 of the systemversion = "NT" then
>        put specialFolderPath(35) into fPath
>      else
>        put specialfolderpath("system") into fPath
>      end if

Here's the full info:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm

Scroll to the bottom and all the Vista folder paths are there.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May 22 20:48:45 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:48:45 -0500
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
In-Reply-To: <200905221610.06131.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C63CB21D.1D9C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> How to do this?  I have tried to use onreloadStack, just trapping it in the
> stack script, but this seems to do nothing.  Even if the command is to
> close the stack on reloadStack, it opens anyway.
> 
> The other one would be relaunch, but it seems to be Win only.
> 
> There was a thread and -- was it Richard Gaskin? someone talked about how
> he always did this in the preliminaries to his stack opening.  Can't seem
> to find it.

Sorry, Peter, but I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to do... are you
trying to open a stack with "open stack" and it's opening twice? Or are you
talking about the mainstack of a standalone... ? or something else?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri May 22 20:52:11 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:52:11 +0900
Subject: the On-Rev client
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70905221752j17e1c047w2f4f28b89047f6dc@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know what the latest version
number is of the On-Rev client? Or,
where to download it from?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jhj at jhj.com  Fri May 22 20:57:49 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:57:49 -0700
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A1745D8.7070807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com>	<f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com>	<f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com>	<4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>
	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net>	<4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>
	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1745D8.7070807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2E83408D-5FB8-45AF-A33C-75F74D98B109@jhj.com>

On May 22, 2009, at 5:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> I suspect there is little difference between a subdomain and an add- 
> on, and that cpanel only uses the different terminology to configure  
> the server so it knows where requests are to be sent. I'd just leave  
> the folders where they are created by cpanel and let the auto- 
> configuration work its magic.

Yes.

http://www.jhjensen.com
http://www.jhjensen.jhj.on-rev.com
http://www.jhj.on-rev.com/jhjensen.com

All load the same page.

Everything is in jhj.on-rev.com's public_html folder. You can see  
what's in that folder by loading:
http://www.jhj.on-rev.com (which loads the public_html folder).

Its so easy its confusing!

--Jerry J



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May 22 21:06:20 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:06:20 -0500
Subject: New groups bugaBoo
In-Reply-To: <C63B4068.41C95%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C63CB63C.1D9D1%kray@sonsothunder.com>

 
> Yeah, apparently referencing the "last" group is still not reliable.  If you
> need to use this approach in your scripts, one option is to name the
> templateGroup, rather than using "last", as mentioned here:
> 
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-am-I-right-with-select-and-group--p10972065.html

If you can create the group *first* before moving the objects into the
group, you can get the long id right after creation:

on mouseUp
   create group "Test"
   put it into tLongIDOfGroupIJustCreated
end mouseUp

But if you're trying to group selected objects, that doesn't work because
nothing comes back in "it" (or "the result" for that matter). Personally I
think the group command should return the long id of the group that was
created in the result...

The other way to do what you want is to trap the "newGroup" message either
in a frontscript or somewhere in the hierarchy that makes sense. Set a
property or global you can check and then move on. Something like:

<stack script>
global gLastGroupID

on newGroup
  put the long id of the targte into gLastGroupID
  pass newGroup
end newGroup


<button script>
global gLastGroupID

on mouseUp
  group grc 1 and grc 2 and grp B
  put gLastGroupID into tGroupID
  -- continue on using tGroupID
end mouseUp

NOTE: Make sure you PASS the newGroup message; I had Rev freeze on me if it
wasn't passed...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May 22 23:36:11 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:11 +1000
Subject: the On-Rev client
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70905221752j17e1c047w2f4f28b89047f6dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905221752j17e1c047w2f4f28b89047f6dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905222036v33fe1ceh8f28bcfbdc1f267f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know what the latest version
> number is of the On-Rev client? Or,
> where to download it from?

I have 0.1.1 dated 24th April.

Here is the announcement: http://forums.on-rev.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69

Cheers,
Sarah


From jmyepes at mac.com  Sat May 23 02:00:25 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:00:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <23681628.post@talk.nabble.com>


Congratulations!



Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
> 
> http://www.infowallet.com
> 
> 

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 23 03:37:01 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:37:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
In-Reply-To: <C63CB21D.1D9C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <200905221610.06131.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C63CB21D.1D9C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <23682071.post@talk.nabble.com>


Ken, the problem is, they can start a second copy of the app when one copy of
it is already running.  But the stack script contains the following:

on reloadStack
close this stack
end reloadStack

So should not that cause it to check and see if it is already running, and
if so quit?  I also have tried with just

on reloadStack
end reloadStack

But the second copy loads in either case.

What I want to happen is that if someone tries to start the app when it is
already running, for it to fail and not start.  Maybe give an error message,
but that's not essential.

Peter



Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> How to do this?  I have tried to use onreloadStack, just trapping it in
>> the
>> stack script, but this seems to do nothing.  Even if the command is to
>> close the stack on reloadStack, it opens anyway.
>> 
>> The other one would be relaunch, but it seems to be Win only.
>> 
>> There was a thread and -- was it Richard Gaskin? someone talked about how
>> he always did this in the preliminaries to his stack opening.  Can't seem
>> to find it.
> 
> Sorry, Peter, but I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to do... are you
> trying to open a stack with "open stack" and it's opening twice? Or are
> you
> talking about the mainstack of a standalone... ? or something else?
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 03:57:14 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
Message-ID: <750570.15090.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 12:37 AM
> 
> Ken, the problem is, they can start a second copy of the
> app when one copy of
> it is already running.? But the stack script contains
> the following:
> 
> on reloadStack
> close this stack
> end reloadStack
> 
> So should not that cause it to check and see if it is
> already running, and
> if so quit?? I also have tried with just
> 
> on reloadStack
> end reloadStack
> 
> But the second copy loads in either case.
> 
> What I want to happen is that if someone tries to start the
> app when it is
> already running, for it to fail and not start.? Maybe
> give an error message,
> but that's not essential.
> 
> Peter
> 

The 'reloadStack' message is only sent within the same application, when you attempt to load an already loaded stack.
Are you looking for the 'relaunch' message instead? Unless the docs are outdated, this will only work on Windows - and shouldn't be a problem on MacOSX anyway.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 03:59:04 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:59:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
Message-ID: <577856.14538.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>
> Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 9:16 PM
> I'm happy to finally announce the
> release of InfoWallet 1.0.
> 
> http://www.infowallet.com
> 
> Thanks to so many fantastic people in the Rev community.
> Special thanks to Geoff Canyon, Ken Ray, Trevor DeVore, and
> Richard Gaskin without whom I don't think I ever would have
> been able to do this.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> 

Congratulations, Bill! Looks like another showcase for Revolution, indeed.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 23 05:58:36 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 02:58:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
In-Reply-To: <750570.15090.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <200905221610.06131.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<750570.15090.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <23682754.post@talk.nabble.com>


Jan,

Yes, I found relaunch and tried it, and the docs seem to be right, it does
not seem to work in Linux.  If reload is confined to the stack currently
running, then its at least clear why that too does not work.  

So is there no way of stopping a user from loading the app, and then loading
it again, and trying to run both copies at once, maybe alternately, and then
looking at you with a mixture of dismay and guilt when it doesn't seem to be
working right?

If its all down to the users following instructions, we are indeed up the
creek with no paddle!

Peter




> The 'reloadStack' message is only sent within the same application, when
> you attempt to load an already loaded stack.
> Are you looking for the 'relaunch' message instead? Unless the docs are
> outdated, this will only work on Windows - and shouldn't be a problem on
> MacOSX anyway.
> 
> Jan Schenkel
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
> 

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 08:04:23 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 05:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
Message-ID: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 2:58 AM
> 
> Jan,
> 
> Yes, I found relaunch and tried it, and the docs seem to be
> right, it does
> not seem to work in Linux.? If reload is confined to
> the stack currently
> running, then its at least clear why that too does not
> work.? 
> 
> So is there no way of stopping a user from loading the app,
> and then loading
> it again, and trying to run both copies at once, maybe
> alternately, and then
> looking at you with a mixture of dismay and guilt when it
> doesn't seem to be
> working right?
> 
> If its all down to the users following instructions, we are
> indeed up the
> creek with no paddle!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 

I'm sure some Unix zealots might come and whack your fingers off if you try and take that behaviour away from them ;-)

Seriously, there's no built-in way to prevent it; but you can always employ a crude locking mechanism by writing a myapp.lk file somewhere, and refusing to open the application when that file is already present.
Or you can open a server socket on a fixed port, and quit if you fail to grab that port; the added advantage of the socket approach being that you can use the server socket to receive an 'open file' message from the second started instance.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat May 23 09:33:01 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:33:01 +0100
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
In-Reply-To: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0905230633u2cf97eeen562bd6c0349c252c@mail.gmail.com>

Peter, you could also use shell() to parse the output of the ps
command to check if your application is already running, and then exit
a  2nd instance if one is found to be in the running processes.

Bernard

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm sure some Unix zealots might come and whack your fingers off if you try and take that behaviour away from them ;-)
>
> Seriously, there's no built-in way to prevent it; but you can always employ a crude locking mechanism by writing a myapp.lk file somewhere, and refusing to open the application when that file is already present.
> Or you can open a server socket on a fixed port, and quit if you fail to grab that port; the added advantage of the socket approach being that you can use the server socket to receive an 'open file' message from the second started instance.
>
> Jan Schenkel


From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 23 11:59:04 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:59:04 -0400
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com><gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A1744B3.4010504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jacque,

> This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how 
> it needs to be set up.

It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever 
and both will work just fine.

In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder 
will enable anyone to browse to

http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/

or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com

and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is 
why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing the 
content unless they navigate to the intended domain.

> Bill Marriott wrote:
>> If the content will ultimately be its own domain and not a subdomain, 
>> then I would put the folder at the root, and not within the /public_html 
>> hierarchy.
>
> I have both a subdomain and an add-on domain at JaguarPC, in addition to 
> my primary hyperactivesw.com domain. Both the subdomain and the add-on 
> folders are located inside the public_html folder of my hyperactivesw.com 
> folder. 





From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat May 23 16:17:42 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:17:42 -0700
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905230633u2cf97eeen562bd6c0349c252c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905230633u2cf97eeen562bd6c0349c252c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A917CB2A-1208-4B0F-9644-96C641877CDC@elementarysoftware.com>

I love being surprised by learning something that my brain is ready  
for but that I wasn't expecting or looking to learn.  In the past I've  
used a file mechanism when needing to lock out another instance.  The  
shell() and socket ideas are far enough outside my comfort zone that I  
wouldn't have looked for a solution there.  Thanks for the poke in the  
brain.

Scott Morrow
Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)

On May 23, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
> Peter, you could also use shell() to parse the output of the ps  
> command to check if your application is already running...<snip>
>
> Bernard
>
> Or you can open a server socket on a fixed port, and quit if you  
> fail to grab that port... <snip>
>
> Jan Schenkel



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 23 16:22:41 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:22:41 +0300
Subject: Page Turn
Message-ID: <4A185B11.3070609@gmail.com>

Maybe I'm a bit naive:

http://www.zappas-magazine.co.uk/

or, maybe I'm just lucky to have held onto
some of my sense of wonder.

Dreaming . . .


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat May 23 17:53:07 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:53:07 -0700
Subject: Page Turn
In-Reply-To: <4A185B11.3070609@gmail.com>
References: <4A185B11.3070609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6379DB5D-F130-4297-8930-53B9E3D7D703@cruzio.com>

Very nice!  (I especially liked the Bow Peep on page 3.  Hot.)

But seriously, great effect.
m

On May 23, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Maybe I'm a bit naive:
>
> http://www.zappas-magazine.co.uk/
>
> or, maybe I'm just lucky to have held onto
> some of my sense of wonder.
>
> Dreaming . . .
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sat May 23 21:52:36 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:52:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Starbattle.rev?
In-Reply-To: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905231846570.11499@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi all,

In going through my old stacks I had used in my class years back, I came 
across this stack that is not mine.  It kinda looks like Asteroids, if I'm 
remembering asteroids correctly.  Black background, white line-based 
thingies/shapes coming at you that you're supposed to shoot...


A couple of people on the forums want game examples but I'm loathe to give 
out something that's not mine... I don't remember even how I acquired this 
stack altho' I do remember asking for some FPS examples I could share with 
students *only* and that might be how I acquired it.

Can anyone claim ownership of this stack and let me know if I can pass it 
along?

Thanks!

Judy


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat May 23 22:19:01 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 02:19:01 +0000
Subject: Starbattle.rev?
Message-ID: <623889466-1243131590-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1172690891-@bxe1094.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Pretty sure you're talking about a stack created by Geoff Canyon (credit may be in the card or stack script).  If it is that stack, one of the most notable aspects is the use of a single graphic object to draw everything in the game.  It's a great example.  And I'm sure it's distributable.

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Sent: May 23, 2009 6:52 PM

Hi all,

In going through my old stacks I had used in my class years back, I came 
across this stack that is not mine.  It kinda looks like Asteroids, if I'm 
remembering asteroids correctly.  Black background, white line-based 
thingies/shapes coming at you that you're supposed to shoot...


A couple of people on the forums want game examples but I'm loathe to give 
out something that's not mine... I don't remember even how I acquired this 
stack altho' I do remember asking for some FPS examples I could share with 
students *only* and that might be how I acquired it.

Can anyone claim ownership of this stack and let me know if I can pass it 
along?

Thanks!

Judy
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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 00:10:41 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 21:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Text variable problem
Message-ID: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Forum,

I have a very irritating problem occurring. In one part of my program a
global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
province. Later in the program there is a loop that compares the 17th
element of the line to g_region. If g_region and element 17 of the line are
the same, the program does something. Using the variable watcher, I can see
that g_region is set to a states name, and I can see that the 17th element
of the line is the same state as g_region. But the loop doesn't acknowledge
that the two are equivalent. I have tried :

"repeat for each line regLine in lData
   if item 17 of regLine = g_reg then //and I've tried "is" in place of the
equals sign, too.
      put item 17 of regLine into regFiltered
   end if
end repeat"

lData is just lines from a field being dropped into a variable. I tested
lData with "put the number of lines in lData", and it shows the correct
number of lines that I know are in that field.

In the very next line I test g_region with "put g_region", and it puts the
correct g_region value.

But if item 17 of regLine is, say, Texas and g_region is Texas, the loop
doesn't see them as being equivalent for some reason.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Steve Ralston
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 24 00:25:43 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 21:25:43 -0700
Subject: Text variable problem
Message-ID: <4A18CC47.40502@fourthworld.com>

stevex64 wrote:

> I have a very irritating problem occurring. In one part of my program a
> global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
> province. Later in the program there is a loop that compares the 17th
> element of the line to g_region. If g_region and element 17 of the line are
> the same, the program does something. Using the variable watcher, I can see
> that g_region is set to a states name, and I can see that the 17th element
> of the line is the same state as g_region. But the loop doesn't acknowledge
> that the two are equivalent. I have tried :
> 
> "repeat for each line regLine in lData
>    if item 17 of regLine = g_reg then //and I've tried "is" in place of the
> equals sign, too.
>       put item 17 of regLine into regFiltered
>    end if
> end repeat"
> 
> lData is just lines from a field being dropped into a variable. I tested
> lData with "put the number of lines in lData", and it shows the correct
> number of lines that I know are in that field.
> 
> In the very next line I test g_region with "put g_region", and it puts the
> correct g_region value.
> 
> But if item 17 of regLine is, say, Texas and g_region is Texas, the loop
> doesn't see them as being equivalent for some reason.
> 
> Any thoughts?

What is the itemDelimiter set to while this is running, and does it 
match the character used to delimit the values in regLine?

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 24 00:37:18 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:37:18 -0500
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A18CEFE.6080307@hyperactivesw.com>

stevex64 wrote:
> In one part of my program a
> global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
> province.
...
> 
> "repeat for each line regLine in lData
>    if item 17 of regLine = g_reg

Is your global named g_region or g_reg?

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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 00:37:39 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <4A18CC47.40502@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A18CC47.40502@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <23690569.post@talk.nabble.com>


I haven't changed Rev's delimiter programatically. The values in the lines of
the field are delimited by commas. Just now as I looped through, having
selected Texas to be g_reg, I put this:

put item 17 of regLine & ","  & g_reg & the itemDelimiter

And the output is:

Texas,Texas,

Thank you so much for your very very fast reply!



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> stevex64 wrote:
> 
>> I have a very irritating problem occurring. In one part of my program a
>> global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
>> province. Later in the program there is a loop that compares the 17th
>> element of the line to g_region. If g_region and element 17 of the line
>> are
>> the same, the program does something. Using the variable watcher, I can
>> see
>> that g_region is set to a states name, and I can see that the 17th
>> element
>> of the line is the same state as g_region. But the loop doesn't
>> acknowledge
>> that the two are equivalent. I have tried :
>> 
>> "repeat for each line regLine in lData
>>    if item 17 of regLine = g_reg then //and I've tried "is" in place of
>> the
>> equals sign, too.
>>       put item 17 of regLine into regFiltered
>>    end if
>> end repeat"
>> 
>> lData is just lines from a field being dropped into a variable. I tested
>> lData with "put the number of lines in lData", and it shows the correct
>> number of lines that I know are in that field.
>> 
>> In the very next line I test g_region with "put g_region", and it puts
>> the
>> correct g_region value.
>> 
>> But if item 17 of regLine is, say, Texas and g_region is Texas, the loop
>> doesn't see them as being equivalent for some reason.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
> 
> What is the itemDelimiter set to while this is running, and does it 
> match the character used to delimit the values in regLine?
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 24 00:38:00 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:38:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com><gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A1744B3.4010504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A18CF28.8040800@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Jacque,
> 
>> This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how 
>> it needs to be set up.
> 
> It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever 
> and both will work just fine.

Ok, that's good to know.

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From niconiko at gmail.com  Sun May 24 02:44:58 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:44:58 +0900
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70905232344l49063aafp5d9c9a4c72d07257@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve,

Perhaps what you and Rev see as the 17th
item differs?

My guess is that, though you say that
in the variable watcher you can see the
17th element, your script doesn't declare
a variable specific to that 17th element,
so I imagine you're counting up the items
of regLine to confirm the comparison
with g_reg.

Instead, how about adding a script-line
that inserts the 17th item of regLine
into a variable and then using the variable
watcher (or script debugger) to see what
Rev "sees"?

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 24 03:23:07 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 00:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to prevent a stack from loading twice (in Linux)
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0905230633u2cf97eeen562bd6c0349c252c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905221610.06131.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<edcc7e6b0905230633u2cf97eeen562bd6c0349c252c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23691249.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks guys!  Great suggestions.   Probably the most secure is the shell()
with ps.  Should have thought of it!  It seems foolproof -- at least till
they change the name of the stack!  That will probably be my next question.
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sun May 24 05:25:11 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:25:11 +0200
Subject: Starbattle.rev?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905231846570.11499@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <214777.1134.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CF17A01C-9F75-4DBE-8492-A017A304F7EB@numericable.com>

Judy,
you honor your honesty !!
or (more correct ?)
your honesty honor you !!
Ren? from Paris

Le 24 mai 09 ? 03:52, Judy Perry a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> In going through my old stacks I had used in my class years back, I  
> came across this stack that is not mine.  It kinda looks like  
> Asteroids, if I'm remembering asteroids correctly.  Black  
> background, white line-based thingies/shapes coming at you that  
> you're supposed to shoot...
>
>
> A couple of people on the forums want game examples but I'm loathe  
> to give out something that's not mine... I don't remember even how  
> I acquired this stack altho' I do remember asking for some FPS  
> examples I could share with students *only* and that might be how I  
> acquired it.
>
> Can anyone claim ownership of this stack and let me know if I can  
> pass it along?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Judy
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May 24 05:30:43 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:30:43 +1000
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905240230n2266db67u69f91f10f5060b59@mail.gmail.com>

> I have a very irritating problem occurring. In one part of my program a
> global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
> province. Later in the program there is a loop that compares the 17th
> element of the line to g_region. If g_region and element 17 of the line are
> the same, the program does something. Using the variable watcher, I can see
> that g_region is set to a states name, and I can see that the 17th element
> of the line is the same state as g_region. But the loop doesn't acknowledge
> that the two are equivalent. I have tried :
>
> "repeat for each line regLine in lData
> ? if item 17 of regLine = g_reg then //and I've tried "is" in place of the
> equals sign, too.
> ? ? ?put item 17 of regLine into regFiltered
> ? end if
> end repeat"

I have had problems with this sort of thing if there are any extra
spaces in the data.
Try:
if item 17 of regLine contains g_reg then
....

Cheers,
Sarah


From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 09:29:32 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905240230n2266db67u69f91f10f5060b59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860905240230n2266db67u69f91f10f5060b59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23693668.post@talk.nabble.com>


It seems whitespace may be part of the problem,or the whole problem. I've
used put to write the 17th element, ",", g_reg, and another comma, and the
output was Texas,Texas, with now space between the last s and the last
comma. But if I test the length of g_reg, it came up as 6, so I assumed
there was unseen whitespace. I deleted the last character of g_reg and
things worked from there. So one problem appears to be that "put" wasn't
putting that whitespace, which was misleading me.


Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
>> I have a very irritating problem occurring. In one part of my program a
>> global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
>> province. Later in the program there is a loop that compares the 17th
>> element of the line to g_region. If g_region and element 17 of the line
>> are
>> the same, the program does something. Using the variable watcher, I can
>> see
>> that g_region is set to a states name, and I can see that the 17th
>> element
>> of the line is the same state as g_region. But the loop doesn't
>> acknowledge
>> that the two are equivalent. I have tried :
>>
>> "repeat for each line regLine in lData
>> ? if item 17 of regLine = g_reg then //and I've tried "is" in place of
>> the
>> equals sign, too.
>> ? ? ?put item 17 of regLine into regFiltered
>> ? end if
>> end repeat"
> 
> I have had problems with this sort of thing if there are any extra
> spaces in the data.
> Try:
> if item 17 of regLine contains g_reg then
> ....
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 09:34:48 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70905232344l49063aafp5d9c9a4c72d07257@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<1e91b2b70905232344l49063aafp5d9c9a4c72d07257@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23693704.post@talk.nabble.com>


I've used put to write the 17th element, ",", g_reg, and another comma, and
the output was
 Texas,Texas, so it looks like 17th element and g_reg are the same. Is this
proving the same thing you suggested?


Nicolas Cueto-4 wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Perhaps what you and Rev see as the 17th
> item differs?
> 
> My guess is that, though you say that
> in the variable watcher you can see the
> 17th element, your script doesn't declare
> a variable specific to that 17th element,
> so I imagine you're counting up the items
> of regLine to confirm the comparison
> with g_reg.
> 
> Instead, how about adding a script-line
> that inserts the 17th item of regLine
> into a variable and then using the variable
> watcher (or script debugger) to see what
> Rev "sees"?
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> 

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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 09:37:14 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <4A18CEFE.6080307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23690465.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A18CEFE.6080307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <23693735.post@talk.nabble.com>


It's g_reg, sorry. g_reg is what is used in my code. 


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> stevex64 wrote:
>> In one part of my program a
>> global variable, g_region, is set to the name of a US state or Canadian
>> province.
> ...
>> 
>> "repeat for each line regLine in lData
>>    if item 17 of regLine = g_reg
> 
> Is your global named g_region or g_reg?
> 
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From david at architex.tv  Sun May 24 11:46:49 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:46:49 +0100
Subject: Open stacks
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905240846v6e55ffe6g6026f9224377b60@mail.gmail.com>

Any one remember the rev commands for getting lists of open and visible
stacks... there are some built ins - something like "revOpenStacks()" but
they are not in the docs as far as I can see. I'm not talking about the
openstacks or mainstacks, but the ones that filter out the rev ide stacks
and take into account the mode etc.


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun May 24 12:19:38 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:19:38 -0400
Subject: Open stacks
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905240846v6e55ffe6g6026f9224377b60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905240846v6e55ffe6g6026f9224377b60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90905240919ne7975fboee8ff7ad85796caf@mail.gmail.com>

revLoadedStacks(application)  maybe?

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:46 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:

> Any one remember the rev commands for getting lists of open and visible
> stacks... there are some built ins - something like "revOpenStacks()" but
> they are not in the docs as far as I can see. I'm not talking about the
> openstacks or mainstacks, but the ones that filter out the rev ide stacks
> and take into account the mode etc.
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From toncardona at mac.com  Sun May 24 13:03:17 2009
From: toncardona at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melit=F3n_Cardona_Torres?=)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:03:17 +0200
Subject: Colour words
Message-ID: <D92ABBCA-B9C1-422C-B342-F3457B7A4ABB@mac.com>

Is there a quick way of changing the colour of a sinlge word in a fld  
text?


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun May 24 13:10:44 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:10:44 +0200
Subject: Colour words
In-Reply-To: <D92ABBCA-B9C1-422C-B342-F3457B7A4ABB@mac.com>
References: <D92ABBCA-B9C1-422C-B342-F3457B7A4ABB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D0D10D5C-6399-4F84-ACAE-DEAAEA381513@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

That's fairly simple:
set the textColor of word 3 of fld 1 to green

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On 24 mei 2009, at 19:03, Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote:

> Is there a quick way of changing the colour of a sinlge word in a  
> fld text?



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun May 24 13:29:06 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:29:06 +0100
Subject: Open stacks
In-Reply-To: <459b22a90905240919ne7975fboee8ff7ad85796caf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905240846v6e55ffe6g6026f9224377b60@mail.gmail.com>
	<459b22a90905240919ne7975fboee8ff7ad85796caf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905241029of2ce368w6977da15dc61055d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks :)

2009/5/24 william humphrey <bill at bluewatermaritime.com>

> revLoadedStacks(application)  maybe?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 24 14:39:22 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:39:22 +0300
Subject: Open stacks
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905240846v6e55ffe6g6026f9224377b60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0905240846v6e55ffe6g6026f9224377b60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A19945A.9080502@gmail.com>

put revLoadedStacks(application)

David Bovill wrote:
> Any one remember the rev commands for getting lists of open and visible
> stacks... there are some built ins - something like "revOpenStacks()" but
> they are not in the docs as far as I can see. I'm not talking about the
> openstacks or mainstacks, but the ones that filter out the rev ide stacks
> and take into account the mode etc.
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun May 24 18:09:07 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:09:07 -0400
Subject: test no email for 3 days
Message-ID: <B2FABF87-5EA5-4CFE-9109-7A3FD5EDDD8C@mac.com>


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iTunes Library Suite - libITS
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May 24 20:02:41 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:02:41 +1000
Subject: Screen capture video
Message-ID: <f99b52860905241702v6e2c2a1bp73a7ee4c4ff6abbb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Is there any way to use Rev's video capture commands to record a
screen capture movie?
If not, what do people use for this? (Mac only).
I don't need a lot of power, just the ability to grab a video of a
section of the screen for about 4 minutes.
It doesn't need to capture audio, but I want to be able to edit the
captured video in iMovie when finished.

TIA,
Sarah


From mkoob at rogers.com  Sun May 24 20:47:30 2009
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:47:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Screen capture video
References: <f99b52860905241702v6e2c2a1bp73a7ee4c4ff6abbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090525T004037-50@post.gmane.org>

Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at ...> writes:

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Is there any way to use Rev's video capture commands to record a
> screen capture movie?
> If not, what do people use for this? (Mac only).
> I don't need a lot of power, just the ability to grab a video of a
> section of the screen for about 4 minutes.
> It doesn't need to capture audio, but I want to be able to edit the
> captured video in iMovie when finished.
> 
> TIA,
> Sarah
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I use Snapz Pro x from Ambrosia software.   
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
It captures the screenand can capture the Mac's audio and the 
microphone audio.

The captures are smooth.  I capture demonstrations of a Rev
application that plays quicktime video in a player and the capture
of the video within the player comes out well.
I also use the Universal Access Zoom command to zoom in
on features of my application's UI and it also handles that smoothly.

Martin






From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun May 24 22:07:54 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:07:54 -0700
Subject: Screen capture video
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905241702v6e2c2a1bp73a7ee4c4ff6abbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C63F4B8A.41D5B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Is there any way to use Rev's video capture commands to record a
> screen capture movie?
> If not, what do people use for this? (Mac only).
> I don't need a lot of power, just the ability to grab a video of a
> section of the screen for about 4 minutes.
> It doesn't need to capture audio, but I want to be able to edit the
> captured video in iMovie when finished.

In addition to the already mentioned Snapz Pro, there's ScreenFlow for $30
more.  It does basic editing and effects on its own, similar to iMovieHD.
For me, these features made it good buy over Snapz Pro.

Another:
http://store.shinywhitebox.com/ishowuhd/main.html

Maybe some options here:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/index_sp.html

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 24 22:30:40 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:30:40 -0500
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <23693704.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C63F6D00.1DA39%kray@sonsothunder.com>

 
> I've used put to write the 17th element, ",", g_reg, and another comma, and
> the output was
>  Texas,Texas, so it looks like 17th element and g_reg are the same. Is this
> proving the same thing you suggested?

Not exactly; if you have anywhitespace before the 17th element you won't see
it... try writing out a "," before the 17th element and see if you have
anything. The other way is to put length(<the 17th element>) and
length(g_reg) and see if the two lengths are the same.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun May 24 22:47:53 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 04:47:53 +0200
Subject: Screen capture video
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905241702v6e2c2a1bp73a7ee4c4ff6abbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905241702v6e2c2a1bp73a7ee4c4ff6abbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5522D658-4B3D-444D-BCEC-6D0F1F746D6C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sarah,

There is a way, using EhancedQT external rather than the video grabber  
external. An example of a programme doing this, made with Rev, is  
Snapper Screen Recorder <http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com>. The  
result of this is editable in iMovie. I might even update Snapper to  
allow for editing individual frames before making the movie. Just  
write me off-list with any questions.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 25 mei 2009, at 02:02, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Is there any way to use Rev's video capture commands to record a
> screen capture movie?
> If not, what do people use for this? (Mac only).
> I don't need a lot of power, just the ability to grab a video of a
> section of the screen for about 4 minutes.
> It doesn't need to capture audio, but I want to be able to edit the
> captured video in iMovie when finished.
>
> TIA,
> Sarah



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun May 24 23:04:22 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:04:22 -0400
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7186D859-0026-450F-9D12-0DF7DBD89F83@mac.com>

Congratulations Bill. Nice site and app looks great.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On May 22, 2009, at 12:16 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.
>
> http://www.infowallet.com
>
> Thanks to so many fantastic people in the Rev community. Special  
> thanks to Geoff Canyon, Ken Ray, Trevor DeVore, and Richard Gaskin  
> without whom I don't think I ever would have been able to do this.
>
> Bill Vlahos
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon May 25 06:49:38 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:49:38 +0200
Subject: test no email for 3 days
In-Reply-To: <B2FABF87-5EA5-4CFE-9109-7A3FD5EDDD8C@mac.com>
References: <B2FABF87-5EA5-4CFE-9109-7A3FD5EDDD8C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8ED2143E-7BC2-41BC-ABF2-77EE8E5D05F2@economy-x-talk.com>

Tom,

Are you still having mail problems?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 25 mei 2009, at 00:09, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon May 25 09:22:12 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:22:12 -0400
Subject: test no email for 3 days
In-Reply-To: <8ED2143E-7BC2-41BC-ABF2-77EE8E5D05F2@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <B2FABF87-5EA5-4CFE-9109-7A3FD5EDDD8C@mac.com>
	<8ED2143E-7BC2-41BC-ABF2-77EE8E5D05F2@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4B6C245B-56D2-4FE2-BC35-CF05A54D48EC@mac.com>

Mark, I think the email was stuck?!? It all came in at one time. Don't  
know what that was about.

Thanks

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html

On May 25, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Are you still having mail problems?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
>
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 25 mei 2009, at 00:09, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>>
>> Tom McGrath III
>> Lazy River Software
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>
>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
>> Information and download can be found on this page:
>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom McGrath III
>> Lazy River Software
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>
>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
>> Information and download can be found on this page:
>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Mon May 25 12:09:09 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:09:09 +0000
Subject: information about over which line in a field the mouse is
Message-ID: <00036970.4A1ADEC4@the-office.us>


Hi all,

i want to get the information over which line of a field the mouse is. As the field is not as width as the lines are, i want to put the line, over which the mouse is, into the tooltip.

Regards,

Matthias




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon May 25 12:26:37 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: information about over which line in a field the mouse is
Message-ID: <523982.35751.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

> From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
> Subject: information about over which line in a field the mouse is
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:09 AM
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> i want to get the information over which line of a field
> the mouse is. As the field is not as width as the lines are,
> i want to put the line, over which the mouse is, into the
> tooltip.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 

Take a look at the 'mouseLine' function in the dictionary.
##
The mouseLine function returns a chunk expression of the form line lineNumber of field fieldNumber.
##

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      


From toncardona at mac.com  Mon May 25 13:18:22 2009
From: toncardona at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melit=F3n_Cardona_Torres?=)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:18:22 +0200
Subject: Colour words
Message-ID: <0FFD5906-2639-462D-AD95-E3E73AC6114A@mac.com>

Thanks Mark.

I certainly knew this method. The trouble is when you wish to colour a  
word among 200 and you don't know which number it has on a fld.

That's why I wondered whether a more effective method could be used.

Cheeres

Ton


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 25 14:00:43 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:00:43 -0700
Subject: Colour words
Message-ID: <4A1ADCCB.3000001@fourthworld.com>

Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote:

> Thanks Mark.
> 
> I certainly knew this method. The trouble is when you wish to colour a  
> word among 200 and you don't know which number it has on a fld.
> 
> That's why I wondered whether a more effective method could be used.

How do you know which word is to be changed?

Is it the one the mouse is over?  Is it all occurrences of a particular 
string?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon May 25 14:05:12 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:05:12 -1000
Subject: Colour words
In-Reply-To: <0FFD5906-2639-462D-AD95-E3E73AC6114A@mac.com>
References: <0FFD5906-2639-462D-AD95-E3E73AC6114A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000001c9dd63$59fcf2a0$0df6d7e0$@com>

Hi Militon,

Use the wordOffset function to find which word number it is and then do what
Mark said. By using the wordToSkip optional parameter in a loop, you can
find all occurrences of a word in a chunck.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Melit?n Cardona Torres
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:18 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Colour words
> 
> Thanks Mark.
> 
> I certainly knew this method. The trouble is when you wish to colour a
> word among 200 and you don't know which number it has on a fld.
> 
> That's why I wondered whether a more effective method could be used.
> 
> Cheeres
> 
> Ton
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From tereza at califex.com  Mon May 25 14:39:26 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:39:26 -0500
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
References: <0047FE72-4E98-4FE6-8675-C72939BF9057@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5BCF07EC-227C-4338-8A1B-1A9F856FC24D@califex.com>


On May 21, 2009, at 11:16 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.

I'm finally tuning in to say, "How terrific!"

congratulations!


t



-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Mon May 25 17:30:32 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:30:32 +0000
Subject: Re-2: information about over which line in a field the mouse is
Message-ID: <00036971.4A1B2A16@the-office.us>

Jan,

thanks for the hint. That was exactly what i was looking for. 

Regards,

Matthias



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: information about over which line in a field the mouse is (25-Mai-2009 18:30)
From:    Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> 
> --- On Mon, 5/25/09, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> > From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
> > Subject: information about over which line in a field the mouse is
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:09 AM
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > i want to get the information over which line of a field
> > the mouse is. As the field is not as width as the lines are,
> > i want to put the line, over which the mouse is, into the
> > tooltip.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Matthias
> > 
> > 
> 
> Take a look at the 'mouseLine' function in the dictionary.
> ##
> The mouseLine function returns a chunk expression of the form line 
> lineNumber of field fieldNumber.
> ##
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
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> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 25 19:27:17 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:27:17 +1000
Subject: Screen capture video
In-Reply-To: <5522D658-4B3D-444D-BCEC-6D0F1F746D6C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <f99b52860905241702v6e2c2a1bp73a7ee4c4ff6abbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<5522D658-4B3D-444D-BCEC-6D0F1F746D6C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905251627l573f76bbx97391aa1bca856d2@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone who replied.

It was a one-off use so I didn't want to buy Snapz but it turned out
we are going to do it in a different way anyway, so now I don;t need
it at all.
However I had a quick look at the demo of Mark's Snapper and it is
VERY impressive.

Cheers,
Sarah


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue May 26 05:32:57 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:32:57 +0100
Subject: OT pour les Francaise: 3G pay-as-you-go in France?
Message-ID: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>

I'm abusing the list to contact some of our French correspondents.  Apologies 
to everyone else... and apologies to French speakers for my appalling Franglaise.

I'm wondering whether it's possible to get hold of 3G data stick - or the SIM 
to go into one - for use in France, on a "pay-as-you-go" basis, rather than a 
long term contract.  In the UK, these 3G USB data modems, initially only 
available on quite long contracts with substantial monthly subscription, then 
became available under pay-as-you-go for about ?100 (then about ?130) and have 
since been dropping repeatedly so that you can now get one for about ?25.

Theoretically the ones I have should work in France, but paying a very high 
premium over the domestica data rate - in practise I've never been able to 
make them work at all.  So I'm wondering about the possibility of getting a 
French one to use while I'm in France - but I'm there often enough/long enough 
to justify doing so on a contract.

I know that the mobile/cellular telephony market works very differently in 
different countries; are pay-as-you SIM cards (with 3G data access) or modem 
sticks available?  And are they truly pay-as-you-go, or (as seems to be the 
case in the US) somewhat lightweight contracts, where you have to top up by a 
minimum amount every few months otherwise it stops working altogether?

Any responses (off-list might be better!) gratefully received.

thanks,

- Ben




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue May 26 08:12:53 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:12:53 +0100
Subject: OT pour les Francaise: 3G pay-as-you-go in France?
In-Reply-To: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>
References: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905260512u4513beefwac000bc51ae781d5@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to know as well. A couple of related things to test out:

   1. You should be able to put a normal mobile phone SIM into the USB stick
   with a data-plan.
   2. Vodafone are abolishing roaming charges in June
   3. AFAIK (I've asked the Vodaphone tech department, but not tested) -
   there is no real speed difference between using a bluetooth-3G-mobile phone
   set up and a 3G USB stick?


2009/5/26 Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>

> I'm abusing the list to contact some of our French correspondents.
>  Apologies to everyone else... and apologies to French speakers for my
> appalling Franglaise.
>
> I'm wondering whether it's possible to get hold of 3G data stick - or the
> SIM to go into one - for use in France, on a "pay-as-you-go" basis, rather
> than a long term contract.  In the UK, these 3G USB data modems, initially
> only available on quite long contracts with substantial monthly
> subscription, then became available under pay-as-you-go for about ?100 (then
> about ?130) and have since been dropping repeatedly so that you can now get
> one for about ?25.
>
> Theoretically the ones I have should work in France, but paying a very high
> premium over the domestica data rate - in practise I've never been able to
> make them work at all.  So I'm wondering about the possibility of getting a
> French one to use while I'm in France - but I'm there often enough/long
> enough to justify doing so on a contract.
>
> I know that the mobile/cellular telephony market works very differently in
> different countries; are pay-as-you SIM cards (with 3G data access) or modem
> sticks available?  And are they truly pay-as-you-go, or (as seems to be the
> case in the US) somewhat lightweight contracts, where you have to top up by
> a minimum amount every few months otherwise it stops working altogether?


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue May 26 10:52:19 2009
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:52:19 +0100
Subject: OT pour les Francaise: 3G pay-as-you-go in France?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905260512u4513beefwac000bc51ae781d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>
	<c1c5836b0905260512u4513beefwac000bc51ae781d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E18D1C77-888E-4F46-AC90-07389DD08033@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Be wary of point 2: Some phones will not allow you to tether (ie: use  
as a modem) the phone to your Laptop (notably Blackberries).

Cheers,

Luis.


On 26 May 2009, at 13:12, David Bovill wrote:

> I'd like to know as well. A couple of related things to test out:
>
>    1. You should be able to put a normal mobile phone SIM into the  
> USB stick
>    with a data-plan.
>    2. Vodafone are abolishing roaming charges in June
>    3. AFAIK (I've asked the Vodaphone tech department, but not  
> tested) -
>    there is no real speed difference between using a bluetooth-3G- 
> mobile phone
>    set up and a 3G USB stick?
>
>
> 2009/5/26 Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
>
>> I'm abusing the list to contact some of our French correspondents.
>>  Apologies to everyone else... and apologies to French speakers  
>> for my
>> appalling Franglaise.
>>
>> I'm wondering whether it's possible to get hold of 3G data stick -  
>> or the
>> SIM to go into one - for use in France, on a "pay-as-you-go"  
>> basis, rather
>> than a long term contract.  In the UK, these 3G USB data modems,  
>> initially
>> only available on quite long contracts with substantial monthly
>> subscription, then became available under pay-as-you-go for about  
>> ?100 (then
>> about ?130) and have since been dropping repeatedly so that you  
>> can now get
>> one for about ?25.
>>
>> Theoretically the ones I have should work in France, but paying a  
>> very high
>> premium over the domestica data rate - in practise I've never been  
>> able to
>> make them work at all.  So I'm wondering about the possibility of  
>> getting a
>> French one to use while I'm in France - but I'm there often enough/ 
>> long
>> enough to justify doing so on a contract.
>>
>> I know that the mobile/cellular telephony market works very  
>> differently in
>> different countries; are pay-as-you SIM cards (with 3G data  
>> access) or modem
>> sticks available?  And are they truly pay-as-you-go, or (as seems  
>> to be the
>> case in the US) somewhat lightweight contracts, where you have to  
>> top up by
>> a minimum amount every few months otherwise it stops working  
>> altogether?
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From irog at mac.com  Tue May 26 13:08:34 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:08:34 -0700
Subject: [ANN] InfoWallet 1.0
In-Reply-To: <20090526170004.D225448A3EF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090526170004.D225448A3EF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AE9AD1BC-C576-4F1F-A681-73D185F73FE5@mac.com>

Sorry for the very late chime-in, but I'd like to say that InfoWallet  
looks great and just what the doctor ordered!!

Roger Guay


> On May 21, 2009, at 11:16 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> I'm happy to finally announce the release of InfoWallet 1.0.



From jiml at netrin.com  Tue May 26 14:41:37 2009
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:41:37 -0700
Subject: Text variable problem
In-Reply-To: <20090524170004.42AE348A664@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090524170004.42AE348A664@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <306F3274-B80C-4390-905B-A2F2EB7AFEBC@netrin.com>

Try
  if WORD 1 OF item 17 of regLine = g_reg then

Jim LAmbert
myShape, Inc.
www.myshape.com
R&D
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue May 26 15:47:20 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:47:20 +0200
Subject: OT pour les Francaise: 3G pay-as-you-go in France?
In-Reply-To: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>
References: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <0488E303-AAE0-416F-96C5-1049BEED8B6F@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 26 mai 09 ? 11:32, Ben Rubinstein a ?crit :

> I'm abusing the list to contact some of our French correspondents.   
> Apologies to everyone else... and apologies to French speakers for  
> my appalling Franglaise.
>
> I'm wondering whether it's possible to get hold of 3G data stick -  
> or the SIM to go into one - for use in France, on a "pay-as-you-go"  
> basis, rather than a long term contract.  In the UK, these 3G USB  
> data modems, initially only available on quite long contracts with  
> substantial monthly subscription, then became available under pay-as- 
> you-go for about ?100 (then about ?130) and have since been dropping  
> repeatedly so that you can now get one for about ?25.

Orange
http://www.orange.fr/bin/frame.cgi?u=http%3A//mobile.orange.fr/content/ge/high/v2_offre_boutique/offre/internet_everywhere/fie_presentation.html
(in french, sorry)
proposes a 3G USB key with a pay as you go SIM card for a 29?  
discovery bundle (2 hrs included)
Orange has a very, very good edge coverage, and 3G may vary (I assume  
it's OK in Paris; I live close to Paris and have good 3G coverage;  
however in the suburb city which is neighbor to mine , near the city  
hall, my iPhone has only EDGE). The 3G key works on mac and PC.

SFR has made has advertised early on their 3G network, however I have  
not tested their coverage;
  on
http://www.sfr.fr/internet-mobile/offres-internet-mobile-cle-internet-3g/?vue=00235e&sfrintid=HPI_bol_interpart_bolmid
their sell a 3G key starting at 39?, with duration starting at 20mn

both sell these offers in their local shops, so you can test and buy  
them in France.

The third operator is Bouygues telecom. It sells 3G keys,
http://www.laboutique.bouyguestelecom.fr/recherche-telephones-cle--cle+3gplus/edge.html
but they do not have a very good 3G reputation.
  same thing about local shops.

HTH
Fran?ois
Disclaimer: i I use an Orange iPhone and have not tested these 3G keys.





From alex at tweedly.net  Tue May 26 17:59:29 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:59:29 +0100
Subject: OT pour les Francaise: 3G pay-as-you-go in France?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0905260512u4513beefwac000bc51ae781d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A1BB749.4000802@cogapp.com>
	<c1c5836b0905260512u4513beefwac000bc51ae781d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1C6641.2010800@tweedly.net>

David Bovill wrote:
> I'd like to know as well. A couple of related things to test out:
>
>    2. Vodafone are abolishing roaming charges in June
>   
Well, with a few (major) caveats ....
   - only in Europe and Aus/NZ
   - only if you have signed up for Vodafone Passport
   - only for the summer, not permanently

http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=templateBlank&pageID=OS_0099&wt_oss=roaming%20charges%20abolish

-- Alex.


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue May 26 18:39:58 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:39:58 +0100
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com><gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A1744B3.4010504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A1C6FBE.1060200@tweedly.net>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Jacque,
>
>   
>> This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how 
>> it needs to be set up.
>>     
>
> It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever 
> and both will work just fine.
>
> In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder 
> will enable anyone to browse to
>
> http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/
>
> or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com
>
> and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is 
> why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing the 
> content unless they navigate to the intended domain.
>
>   
That sounds (to me) like a compelling reason to do it that way - and I 
just succeeded (with a brand new domain name bought just so I can play 
around without risking existing users).

You may not care, but afaict the current on-rev client is unable to 
access such root-based add-on domains - it only sees public_html and 
sub-folders within that.  A great pity, I've already found the client's 
ability to help with debugging of irev scripts to be tremenduously 
helpful ....

-- Alex.


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed May 27 09:52:58 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:52:58 +0200
Subject: data grid hilite of checkbox
Message-ID: <E527F22A-7A11-4C1A-9CA1-A70B55768AEC@ezpzapps.com>

in my Data Grid table I have:
text fld - option btn - checkbox - checkbox in each row.

I've been able to get the hilitedline, the text in the line, and the  
menuhistory of the option btn.

But I have not read anywhere how one gets the hilite of a checkbox.

Is it similar to how one gets the menuhistory of the option btn?

sims





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed May 27 10:05:40 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:05:40 -0400
Subject: data grid hilite of checkbox
In-Reply-To: <E527F22A-7A11-4C1A-9CA1-A70B55768AEC@ezpzapps.com>
References: <E527F22A-7A11-4C1A-9CA1-A70B55768AEC@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <3D6C085A-90CD-4699-ABBB-367B6684F5E0@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 27, 2009, at 9:52 AM, jim sims wrote:

> in my Data Grid table I have:
> text fld - option btn - checkbox - checkbox in each row.
>
> I've been able to get the hilitedline, the text in the line, and the  
> menuhistory of the option btn.
>
> But I have not read anywhere how one gets the hilite of a checkbox.
>
> Is it similar to how one gets the menuhistory of the option btn?

The code should be the same except that you just store the hilite of  
the checkbox when the user clicks on it. You probably followed the  
instructions in the lesson "How Can I Store An Option Menu Value When  
The User Makes a Selection?":

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3836-How-Can-I-Store-An-Option-Menu-Value-When-The-User-Makes-a-Selection- 
 >

Just modify FillInData to set the hilite of the checkbox and instead  
of calling SetDataOfIndex in menuPick call it in mouseUp.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From andersen at mwdental.com  Wed May 27 10:05:43 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:43 -0500
Subject: Best Practices Question
Message-ID: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>

Can someone point me to a "Best Practices" or good itermediate tutorial
on programming in Rev.  I've been able to do quite a bit and can use
the dictionary to learn how to use the language, but I'm having trouble
understanding how most people use Globals, Custom Properties, etc.

I've read pro and cons on using globals.  I've tried to write functions
and pass params around to avoid them (which I think is best), but then
there are times a global seems to be a better idea... OR would a Custom
Property be better?  I just don't know how others would do it.  I've
looked through a lot of examples and it seems it is all over the board!

I know it isn't written in stone (and really a personal preference),
but has someone put together a "Best Practices" document?

We really need a Rev for Dummies book!

Bill
 




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed May 27 10:20:50 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:20:50 +0200
Subject: DataGrid form question
Message-ID: <65679A2A-B7C2-4619-A47C-6A50E135F4C6@skynet.be>

> Hi List
>
> I'm very happy with the datagrid !!!
>
> I still have a question : about a click on a line of DataGrid Form
>
> I want to use a "contextual" menu
> I used therefore the follwing script in my popup Btn to know the  
> data of the clickedLine
>
>  put the dgHilitedLines of group "DataGrid 1" into theLine
>  put the dgDataOfLine[theLine] of group "DataGrid 1" into theDataA
>
> BUT
>
> If I control-click a line,
> it gives me the previous hilitedLine. In fact I have to first click  
> the line to make it "hilited" and then click again with controlKey  
> to have the correct theDataA
>
> Can you help me ?
> thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:43:18 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:43:18 +0300
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
Message-ID: <4A1D5186.1080003@gmail.com>

It doesn't sound as if you are a 'Dummy' at all;

surely a 'Dummy' wouldn't know what Globals
and Custom Properties are. Or, putting it
another way, I know at least one person
[err, myself] who has done many things without
ever having used either of the above.

I don't think either you, or many other people,
really need a "Rev for Dummies"  book.

"good intermediate tutorial"

betrayed you  :)
 
I do think what is needed is a
"Rev for people carrying all sorts of confusing baggage over from
other programming languages and/or environments" book.

A "Best Practices" book sounds a bit clunky; surely we ALL need a
few pages on best practices - a list containing guidelines.

Bill Andersen wrote:
> Can someone point me to a "Best Practices" or good itermediate tutorial
> on programming in Rev.  I've been able to do quite a bit and can use
> the dictionary to learn how to use the language, but I'm having trouble
> understanding how most people use Globals, Custom Properties, etc.
>
> I've read pro and cons on using globals.  I've tried to write functions
> and pass params around to avoid them (which I think is best), but then
> there are times a global seems to be a better idea... OR would a Custom
> Property be better?  I just don't know how others would do it.  I've
> looked through a lot of examples and it seems it is all over the board!
>
> I know it isn't written in stone (and really a personal preference),
> but has someone put together a "Best Practices" document?
>
> We really need a Rev for Dummies book!
>
> Bill
>  
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed May 27 10:44:22 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:44:22 -0600
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
Message-ID: <6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>

Hi Bill,

On May 27, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Bill Andersen wrote:

> Can someone point me to a "Best Practices" or good itermediate  
> tutorial
> on programming in Rev.  I've been able to do quite a bit and can use
> the dictionary to learn how to use the language, but I'm having  
> trouble
> understanding how most people use Globals, Custom Properties, etc.
>
> I've read pro and cons on using globals.  I've tried to write  
> functions
> and pass params around to avoid them (which I think is best), but then
> there are times a global seems to be a better idea... OR would a  
> Custom
> Property be better?  I just don't know how others would do it.  I've
> looked through a lot of examples and it seems it is all over the  
> board!
>
> I know it isn't written in stone (and really a personal preference),
> but has someone put together a "Best Practices" document?

I teach a Revolution programming for non-programmers class, and a  
couple of years back I put together a fairly basic set of Best  
Practices. See <http://revolution.byu.edu/design/bestpractices.html>.  
Obviously there are many more issues than this, and as you said, much  
of it is determined by programmer preference. The Best Practices list  
I put together represents some of my own biases, to be sure, but are  
intended to help learners develop good habits and discipline as they  
write code.

As you mentioned there have been many wide ranging discussions here on  
the list debating the pros and cons of this or that issue, notably the  
recent discussion about custom properties. You're right that much of  
this boils down to what makes sense for you and seems logical for you.

If you're interested in some nitty-gritty discussion of best  
programming practices, based on the principles of interoperability of  
shared Revolution stacks and resources, you can do no better than look  
through the documents created by the Revolution Interoperability  
project at <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>. Note that  
it's a Yahoo group that requires (I believe) you to register (I  
believe to see the materials. Under the leadership of many of the  
leading lights of the Rev developer community, notably Richard Gaskin  
and Ken Ray, the Interop project has done some serious thinking about  
best practices and come up with lots of good guidance.

Incidentally, Richard has summarized much of this work at <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html 
 >.

Finally, a few random thought from people on this list. When I was  
putting together my simple beginners list I solicited feedback from  
folks on the list. For various reasons, including personal laziness, I  
haven't yet included them all. But you may find some of the remarks of  
interest.

## quote
Students should always write their programs as if someone else will  
later come along to either maintain or enhance it. It's a good habit  
to get into as it forces better design practices. When it comes to  
maintaining or more importantly adding code to a loop the last thing  
you want is problems figuring out where and how the loop control  
variable is modified.

See Richard Gaskin's Script Style Guide at http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html

Ken Ray:
I name all buttons exactly the same as their labels, without any  
spaces or punctuation, so for example a checkbox that says "Use  
meaningful names" would be named "UseMeaningfulNames" - this makes it  
unnecessary to look up the name of a button in order to address it in  
a script. The only times I break this habit is where conventional  
abbreviations are things that come to "top of mind" as an alternative  
(for example, a button that says "Download Now" would be named "DLNow"  
because "DL" is a very common alternative for "Download").

Similarly I name all fields based on the label that precedes it (if  
there is one) using the same approach. So a label field that says  
"First Name:" and has a text entry field next to it would have the  
entry field named "FirstName". I generally don't give names to label  
fields, but if I do need to, I follow the rule above and add "lbl" in  
front of it (so the label field I describe above would be called  
"lblFirstName" if I needed to address it).

Inspired by Kay Lan:
As much as possible, keep object names unique within a stack. It will  
make finding and changing references to object names in  scripts  
easier, should it become necessary.

Shari at gypsyware.com
Comment your scripts:  Agree again.  Sometimes naming the handler to  
match isn't enough, especially with a long script.  One thing I do  
with very long scripts with many if's and repeat loops nested, is to  
comment the beginning and ending of an IF or REPEAT, in order to match  
them up.  I've got scripts where it's nearly impossible to figure out  
which END goes with which beginning.  And if you're trying to  
troubleshoot, having things well labeled can be a lifesaver.

ME:
Hard-coding data in scripts and object inspectors is a Bad Idea?.  
Inevitably, runtime conditions will change over the life of your  
program, and the hard-coded data will no longer be valid, breaking  
your program. Instead, save data that could potentially change in text  
files or custom properties. In the case of dynamic information like  
file paths, it is best to dynamically derive them at runtime.

Addition to comments and/or if-then-else rule:
For very long or nested if or else clauses it is a good idea to  
comment sections of the structure so you know which 'end if' belongs  
with which 'if'.

Mark Wieder:
Keep standard handlers (i.e., mouseUp) as short as possible, putting  
the real code in separate handlers:

on mouseUp
   doSomething
end mouseUp

on doSomething
   --lots of code here
end doSomething
----------------------------------

Quote string literals:
Use "hello" instead of hello.

----------------------------------
And since you've already decided that not everybody will agree with  
all of
these:

Declare your local variables and enable the "variable checking by  
default"
option.
It will help prevent typos and cut down your debugging time.

## end quote

There! That's probably more than you bargained for. And I'm sure  
others will chime in with more advice. We all have plenty of that, for  
free. :-)
>
> We really need a Rev for Dummies book!

Well maybe it's not Rev for Dummies, but revolution.byu.edu is at  
least "Rev for Newbies". :-)

(BTW, there is a "Programming for Dummies" book that includes examples  
in Revolution as well as other languages. I haven't seen it so can't  
make any claims as to its quality.)

HTH,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:50:20 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:20 +0300
Subject: Polly Ticks and Programming.
Message-ID: <4A1D532C.8070900@gmail.com>

Just to issue a necessary corrective,
those of you who are still 'privileged'
to have access to the OLD revOnline are
cordially invited to download the stack
'POLITICS.rev' (find it under 'Richmond')
to prove, "finally and forever" that
there is Politics in Programming.  :)

I would hope that Jim Bufalini will
forgive me 'just a tad'.  :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:54:14 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:54:14 +0300
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A1D5416.5040608@gmail.com>

Thanks for <http://revolution.byu.edu/design/bestpractices.html> and all 
the other connected pages there;
really good, sensible stuff, set out in a way that is much more 
comprehensible than most programming
manuals I have encountered.

Devin Asay wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> On May 27, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Bill Andersen wrote:
>
>> Can someone point me to a "Best Practices" or good itermediate tutorial
>> on programming in Rev.  I've been able to do quite a bit and can use
>> the dictionary to learn how to use the language, but I'm having trouble
>> understanding how most people use Globals, Custom Properties, etc.
>>
>> I've read pro and cons on using globals.  I've tried to write functions
>> and pass params around to avoid them (which I think is best), but then
>> there are times a global seems to be a better idea... OR would a Custom
>> Property be better?  I just don't know how others would do it.  I've
>> looked through a lot of examples and it seems it is all over the board!
>>
>> I know it isn't written in stone (and really a personal preference),
>> but has someone put together a "Best Practices" document?
>
> I teach a Revolution programming for non-programmers class, and a 
> couple of years back I put together a fairly basic set of Best 
> Practices. See <http://revolution.byu.edu/design/bestpractices.html>. 
> Obviously there are many more issues than this, and as you said, much 
> of it is determined by programmer preference. The Best Practices list 
> I put together represents some of my own biases, to be sure, but are 
> intended to help learners develop good habits and discipline as they 
> write code.
>
> As you mentioned there have been many wide ranging discussions here on 
> the list debating the pros and cons of this or that issue, notably the 
> recent discussion about custom properties. You're right that much of 
> this boils down to what makes sense for you and seems logical for you.
>
> If you're interested in some nitty-gritty discussion of best 
> programming practices, based on the principles of interoperability of 
> shared Revolution stacks and resources, you can do no better than look 
> through the documents created by the Revolution Interoperability 
> project at <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>. Note that 
> it's a Yahoo group that requires (I believe) you to register (I 
> believe to see the materials. Under the leadership of many of the 
> leading lights of the Rev developer community, notably Richard Gaskin 
> and Ken Ray, the Interop project has done some serious thinking about 
> best practices and come up with lots of good guidance.
>
> Incidentally, Richard has summarized much of this work at 
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html>.
>
> Finally, a few random thought from people on this list. When I was 
> putting together my simple beginners list I solicited feedback from 
> folks on the list. For various reasons, including personal laziness, I 
> haven't yet included them all. But you may find some of the remarks of 
> interest.
>
> ## quote
> Students should always write their programs as if someone else will 
> later come along to either maintain or enhance it. It's a good habit 
> to get into as it forces better design practices. When it comes to 
> maintaining or more importantly adding code to a loop the last thing 
> you want is problems figuring out where and how the loop control 
> variable is modified.
>
> See Richard Gaskin's Script Style Guide at 
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
>
> Ken Ray:
> I name all buttons exactly the same as their labels, without any 
> spaces or punctuation, so for example a checkbox that says "Use 
> meaningful names" would be named "UseMeaningfulNames" - this makes it 
> unnecessary to look up the name of a button in order to address it in 
> a script. The only times I break this habit is where conventional 
> abbreviations are things that come to "top of mind" as an alternative 
> (for example, a button that says "Download Now" would be named "DLNow" 
> because "DL" is a very common alternative for "Download").
>
> Similarly I name all fields based on the label that precedes it (if 
> there is one) using the same approach. So a label field that says 
> "First Name:" and has a text entry field next to it would have the 
> entry field named "FirstName". I generally don't give names to label 
> fields, but if I do need to, I follow the rule above and add "lbl" in 
> front of it (so the label field I describe above would be called 
> "lblFirstName" if I needed to address it).
>
> Inspired by Kay Lan:
> As much as possible, keep object names unique within a stack. It will 
> make finding and changing references to object names in  scripts 
> easier, should it become necessary.
>
> Shari at gypsyware.com
> Comment your scripts:  Agree again.  Sometimes naming the handler to 
> match isn't enough, especially with a long script.  One thing I do 
> with very long scripts with many if's and repeat loops nested, is to 
> comment the beginning and ending of an IF or REPEAT, in order to match 
> them up.  I've got scripts where it's nearly impossible to figure out 
> which END goes with which beginning.  And if you're trying to 
> troubleshoot, having things well labeled can be a lifesaver.
>
> ME:
> Hard-coding data in scripts and object inspectors is a Bad Idea?. 
> Inevitably, runtime conditions will change over the life of your 
> program, and the hard-coded data will no longer be valid, breaking 
> your program. Instead, save data that could potentially change in text 
> files or custom properties. In the case of dynamic information like 
> file paths, it is best to dynamically derive them at runtime.
>
> Addition to comments and/or if-then-else rule:
> For very long or nested if or else clauses it is a good idea to 
> comment sections of the structure so you know which 'end if' belongs 
> with which 'if'.
>
> Mark Wieder:
> Keep standard handlers (i.e., mouseUp) as short as possible, putting 
> the real code in separate handlers:
>
> on mouseUp
>   doSomething
> end mouseUp
>
> on doSomething
>   --lots of code here
> end doSomething
> ----------------------------------
>
> Quote string literals:
> Use "hello" instead of hello.
>
> ----------------------------------
> And since you've already decided that not everybody will agree with 
> all of
> these:
>
> Declare your local variables and enable the "variable checking by 
> default"
> option.
> It will help prevent typos and cut down your debugging time.
>
> ## end quote
>
> There! That's probably more than you bargained for. And I'm sure 
> others will chime in with more advice. We all have plenty of that, for 
> free. :-)
>>
>> We really need a Rev for Dummies book!
>
> Well maybe it's not Rev for Dummies, but revolution.byu.edu is at 
> least "Rev for Newbies". :-)
>
> (BTW, there is a "Programming for Dummies" book that includes examples 
> in Revolution as well as other languages. I haven't seen it so can't 
> make any claims as to its quality.)
>
> HTH,
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 27 11:04:43 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:04:43 +0300
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
Message-ID: <4A1D568B.4080309@gmail.com>

I suppose this is a bit 'OT', but just have been 'mooching' at Devin 
Asay's stuff and found this:

http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php

which made me have another hard look at my Nostromo n52 Speedpad:

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=164714

and realise that I don't have all those shortcuts set up on it.

This pad is for the left hand and really cuts down on the RSI. I have one
tacked on my Macintosh and another on my Ubuntu box, and as far as
I am concerned they make Revolution programming go much more
smoothly.

Bill Andersen wrote:
> Can someone point me to a "Best Practices" or good itermediate tutorial
> on programming in Rev.  I've been able to do quite a bit and can use
> the dictionary to learn how to use the language, but I'm having trouble
> understanding how most people use Globals, Custom Properties, etc.
>
> I've read pro and cons on using globals.  I've tried to write functions
> and pass params around to avoid them (which I think is best), but then
> there are times a global seems to be a better idea... OR would a Custom
> Property be better?  I just don't know how others would do it.  I've
> looked through a lot of examples and it seems it is all over the board!
>
> I know it isn't written in stone (and really a personal preference),
> but has someone put together a "Best Practices" document?
>
> We really need a Rev for Dummies book!
>
> Bill
>  
>
>
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>   



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May 27 11:05:15 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:05:15 -0700
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <188-1122691984.20090527080515@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:44:22 AM, you wrote:

> As you mentioned there have been many wide ranging discussions here on

ROTFL. In my caffeine-deprived state I read that as "wide ranting
discussions"...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May 27 11:07:01 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:07:01 -0700
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <4A1D5416.5040608@gmail.com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
	<4A1D5416.5040608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13-1122586718.20090527080701@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:54:14 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks for <http://revolution.byu.edu/design/bestpractices.html> and all
> the other connected pages there;
> really good, sensible stuff, set out in a way that is much more 
> comprehensible than most programming
> manuals I have encountered.

Yes - Devin has done the community a great service by putting these
resources together and making them available. Great stuff.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed May 27 11:24:29 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:24:29 -0400
Subject: DataGrid form question
In-Reply-To: <65679A2A-B7C2-4619-A47C-6A50E135F4C6@skynet.be>
References: <65679A2A-B7C2-4619-A47C-6A50E135F4C6@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <EB1D519A-2A53-4A55-9C98-69EFCD55D1DB@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 27, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> I want to use a "contextual" menu
> I used therefore the follwing script in my popup Btn to know the  
> data of the clickedLine
>
> put the dgHilitedLines of group "DataGrid 1" into theLine
> put the dgDataOfLine[theLine] of group "DataGrid 1" into theDataA
>
> BUT
>
> If I control-click a line,
> it gives me the previous hilitedLine. In fact I have to first click  
> the line to make it "hilited" and then click again with controlKey  
> to have the correct theDataA
>
> Can you help me ?

Take a look at this lesson I just added called "How Do I Show a  
Contextual Menu?"

<https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/2962-How-Do-I-Show-a-Contextual-Menu- 
 >

You need to call dgMouseDown before showing the popup button so that  
the data grid can make the proper line selection.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed May 27 11:24:44 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:24:44 -0600
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <188-1122691984.20090527080515@ahsoftware.net>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
	<188-1122691984.20090527080515@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1E007D92-3B75-467F-9154-B28CB9BE469E@byu.edu>


On May 27, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Devin-
>
> Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:44:22 AM, you wrote:
>
>> As you mentioned there have been many wide ranging discussions here  
>> on
>
> ROTFL. In my caffeine-deprived state I read that as "wide ranting
> discussions"...

Amazing! That's exactly what I was thinking as I typed that. ;-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed May 27 11:40:18 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:40:18 +0200
Subject: data grid hilite of checkbox
In-Reply-To: <3D6C085A-90CD-4699-ABBB-367B6684F5E0@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <E527F22A-7A11-4C1A-9CA1-A70B55768AEC@ezpzapps.com>
	<3D6C085A-90CD-4699-ABBB-367B6684F5E0@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <0099DF80-8E5C-453C-9361-B26CC1D6247E@ezpzapps.com>


On May 27, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> The code should be the same except that you just store the hilite of  
> the checkbox when the user clicks on it. You probably followed the  
> instructions in the lesson "How Can I Store An Option Menu Value  
> When The User Makes a Selection?":
>
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3836-How-Can-I-Store-An-Option-Menu-Value-When-The-User-Makes-a-Selection- 
> >
>
> Just modify FillInData to set the hilite of the checkbox and instead  
> of calling SetDataOfIndex in menuPick call it in mouseUp.


Thanks for the reply Trevor.

When I tried to follow my interpretation of "The code should be the  
same except that you just store the hilite of the checkbox when the  
user clicks on it." I received an error.

The following gave me the error:  -- button "Col 3 Behavior":  
execution error at line n/a (Object: object does not have this property)

  on mouseUp
    set the U_hilite of me to the hilite of me
    setDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the dgColumn of me,   the  
U_hilite of me
end mouseUp

So,  tried a few other stabs in the dark, such as...

on FillInData pData
    -- This message is sent when the Data Grid needs to populate
    -- this template with the column data. pData is the value to be  
displayed.
    -- Example:
    --set the text of field 1 of me to pData
    if the hilite of me is "true" then set the uHilite of me to "TRUE"
    if the hilite of me is "false" then set the uHilite of me to "FALSE"
end FillInData

on mouseUp
    setDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the dgColumn of me,  the uHilite  
of me
end mouseUp

I'm surely missing something simple as the above seems to get me  
nowhere.


sims


From andersen at mwdental.com  Wed May 27 11:41:44 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:41:44 -0500
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <002101c9dee1$a32ddeb0$e9899c10$@com>

Devin,

  Great stuff.  Very helpful.  If nothing else to confirm I'm not as lost
  as I feel sometimes.  I find I do 90% or more of what you listed.  I guess
  just from experience with other languages!

> Declare your local variables and enable the "variable checking
> by default" option.  It will help prevent typos and cut down
> your debugging time.

  Variable Checking is one of the first things I found and turned on.
  I really like "C" because of its structure, but for the life of me
  I just can't "think that way" and get anything done in C.  I'm very
  familiar with VB (I wrote our in-house EDI transaction processing
  from scratch in VB...  Yikes!) and the first line of any of
  my projects in VB is "Option Explicit".

  However, Variable Checking by default throws a stick in the spokes
  when you download other peoples work and accidentally hit the compile
  button when viewing their code LOL!  (OK, OK, just don't hit save!!!)

> There! That's probably more than you bargained for. And I'm sure  
> others will chime in with more advice. We all have plenty of that, for  
> free. :-)

  I'm still reading the links you sent and Yes, this is a great group.

  Thanks to all!

Bill




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed May 27 11:54:30 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:54:30 -0400
Subject: data grid hilite of checkbox
In-Reply-To: <0099DF80-8E5C-453C-9361-B26CC1D6247E@ezpzapps.com>
References: <E527F22A-7A11-4C1A-9CA1-A70B55768AEC@ezpzapps.com>
	<3D6C085A-90CD-4699-ABBB-367B6684F5E0@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0099DF80-8E5C-453C-9361-B26CC1D6247E@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <817FA01C-5E38-468D-9EDE-9AEB0DFA7CB6@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 27, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

> When I tried to follow my interpretation of "The code should be the  
> same except that you just store the hilite of the checkbox when the  
> user clicks on it." I received an error.
>
> The following gave me the error:  -- button "Col 3 Behavior":  
> execution error at line n/a (Object: object does not have this  
> property)
>
> ...
>
> I'm surely missing something simple as the above seems to get me  
> nowhere.

What are the U_hilite and uHilite custom props for? The option menu  
example sets the menuhistory and stores the menuPick parameter. For a  
checkbox you just need to use the hilite property. Untested but this  
example should work:

on FillInData pData
     set the hilite of button 1 of me to pData is true
end FillInData


on mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
     SetDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the dgColumn of me, the hilite  
of button 1 of me
end mouseUp

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From andersen at mwdental.com  Wed May 27 11:55:31 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:55:31 -0500
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <4A1D5186.1080003@gmail.com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com> <4A1D5186.1080003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c9dee3$901c0e30$b0542a90$@com>

Richmond wrote:
> I do think what is needed is a "Rev for people carrying all
> sorts of confusing baggage over from other programming languages
> and/or environments" book.

No doubt!  I think Rev would be easier to learn if I had NO experience
programming.  I really like it, but I must admit, some of the "approaches"
taken are "too easy".  I can't figure it out because it is right in front
of me!

Not to start a flame war, but it is sort of like Mac and Windows.  I got
my first Mac in 1984 and started "thinking the Mac way" early on.  Then I
got a job programming on Windows (hated it).  Now, I use Windows every day
and have migrated to a different way of doing things (The MS Way!)

My wife uses our Mac at home and I have always had a Win machine.  This last
year, I bought ME a new iMac 24" (got her one too) for Chrstmas.  I find
I sometimes make things way to hard when I have to re-learn the way a Mac
does something.  I forgot how just plain "sensible" most things are on Mac.

I guess Rev is sort of like that.  (and sometimes not!)

Bill




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed May 27 12:01:53 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:01:53 +0200
Subject: data grid hilite of checkbox
In-Reply-To: <817FA01C-5E38-468D-9EDE-9AEB0DFA7CB6@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <E527F22A-7A11-4C1A-9CA1-A70B55768AEC@ezpzapps.com>
	<3D6C085A-90CD-4699-ABBB-367B6684F5E0@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0099DF80-8E5C-453C-9361-B26CC1D6247E@ezpzapps.com>
	<817FA01C-5E38-468D-9EDE-9AEB0DFA7CB6@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <FE898E28-917A-4B0A-B3FA-CBC8C0F767A9@ezpzapps.com>


On May 27, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> For a checkbox you just need to use the hilite property. Untested  
> but this example should work:
>
> on FillInData pData
>    set the hilite of button 1 of me to pData is true
> end FillInData
>
>
> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
>    SetDataOfIndex the dgIndex of me, the dgColumn of me, the hilite  
> of button 1 of me
> end mouseUp

Bravo! It worked  :-)

This shall go in my Data Grid for Dummies notes  ;-)

sims 


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed May 27 12:27:11 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:27:11 -0700
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <188-1122691984.20090527080515@ahsoftware.net>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
	<188-1122691984.20090527080515@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A1D69DF.6030704@pdslabs.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Devin-
>
> Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:44:22 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> As you mentioned there have been many wide ranging discussions here on
>>     
>
> ROTFL. In my caffeine-deprived state I read that as "wide ranting
> discussions"...
>
>   
I read "wide raging discussions..."

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed May 27 13:12:09 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:12:09 +0200
Subject: DataGrid form question
In-Reply-To: <EB1D519A-2A53-4A55-9C98-69EFCD55D1DB@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <65679A2A-B7C2-4619-A47C-6A50E135F4C6@skynet.be>
	<EB1D519A-2A53-4A55-9C98-69EFCD55D1DB@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <1FAEE4E7-A7D4-4831-8661-9D0D4D62B0D1@skynet.be>


Le 27-mai-09 ? 17:24, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On May 27, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> I want to use a "contextual" menu
>> I used therefore the follwing script in my popup Btn to know the  
>> data of the clickedLine
>> Take a look at this lesson I just added called "How Do I Show a  
>> Contextual Menu?"
>
> <https://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/2962-How-Do-I-Show-a-Contextual-Menu- 
> >
>
> You need to call dgMouseDown before showing the popup button so that  
> the data grid can make the proper line selection.






Hey Trevor

It's OK now !
Thank you.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed May 27 16:20:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:20:47 +0300
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
Message-ID: <4A1DA09F.8080802@gmail.com>

"Like the concept of best practice, defining what constitutes innovation 
is probably a relative term and a moving target at best."

found at : http://strengthofweakties.org/?cat=11

and this is probably the truth. What constitutes 'canonical' programming is
surely a matter of taste, and I would ask the following question:

1.  Who is going to look at the code apart from yourself?

If the answer is 'no one' then you really can please yourself.

If the answer is not 'no one' then it very much depends on who
that 'one' or 'ones' is going to be; and, to be honest, how much you
want them to understand your code.

Now, consistency is always a good thing; even for yourself - there is
nothing half as "fun" as looking at some code you wrote six months
ago and finding you have difficulty understanding it.  :)

The other good idea is to pop comments in your code, such as:

--this is where the cycles of the FOR-NEXT "embedded 24" loop are counted

so that you don't get your "end if" s "in a twist".

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

One of the 'cyclical chestnuts' that comes up on this Use-List is about
the use of abbreviated forms in code (such as 'btn') and whether that
makes things murkier for other readers of code. The fact that it is a
cyclical chestnut should tell us that it is a moving target, and it all
depends on question 1.

Bill Andersen wrote:
> Can someone point me to a "Best Practices" or good itermediate tutorial
> on programming in Rev.  I've been able to do quite a bit and can use
> the dictionary to learn how to use the language, but I'm having trouble
> understanding how most people use Globals, Custom Properties, etc.
>
> I've read pro and cons on using globals.  I've tried to write functions
> and pass params around to avoid them (which I think is best), but then
> there are times a global seems to be a better idea... OR would a Custom
> Property be better?  I just don't know how others would do it.  I've
> looked through a lot of examples and it seems it is all over the board!
>
> I know it isn't written in stone (and really a personal preference),
> but has someone put together a "Best Practices" document?
>
> We really need a Rev for Dummies book!
>
> Bill
>  
>
>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May 27 18:14:49 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:14:49 EDT
Subject: Property problem
Message-ID: <d1d.47c5d0b9.374f1559@aol.com>

Drove me nuts.

If you ask for certain text properties of a button, it depends how you 
identify that button.

You can always get, say the textSize of a field by using either the name or 
id of that field. But with a button, only the name will work.

Same button...

get the textsize of btn "myBtn" --works
get the textsize of btn id 1066 --returns empty

The "properties" of the object confirms this. The "textFont", "textStyle" 
and "textSize" properties are blank if you get them by button id.

Sheesh.

Craig Newman




**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? 
diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May 27 18:24:55 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:55 EDT
Subject: Property problem
Message-ID: <bc8.4ecc4ec3.374f17b7@aol.com>

Sheesh.

I was half correct. If you set, at least once, the textsize, textStyle or 
textFont of a new button either via script or via the property inspector, all 
is well. It is only with buttons that have never had any of these three 
properties manhandled where the properties are empty. Setting just one of the 
three fixes all three.

Craig Newman


**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?
Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 27 18:31:00 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:31:00 -0500
Subject: Property problem
In-Reply-To: <bc8.4ecc4ec3.374f17b7@aol.com>
References: <bc8.4ecc4ec3.374f17b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A1DBF24.5060205@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Sheesh.
> 
> I was half correct. If you set, at least once, the textsize, textStyle or 
> textFont of a new button either via script or via the property inspector, all 
> is well. It is only with buttons that have never had any of these three 
> properties manhandled where the properties are empty. Setting just one of the 
> three fixes all three.

Right. If you haven't specifically set a property, it's inherited from 
its owner (or another higher up the chain.) A button that has no font 
settings will show empty for those properties. If you only want to know 
the inherited properties, then use the "effective" keyword:

  put the effective textfont of btn id 1006

That gives you the info without having to specifically set the font of 
each button.

What I don't understand is why you got a value when asking by button 
name. The properties should be empty no matter what type of object 
reference you use.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May 27 20:03:23 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:03:23 -0700
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
Message-ID: <C64322DB.41E25%scott@tactilemedia.com>

A customer of mine is reporting that his Mac system is currently treating
stacks as standalone apps: double-clicking a stack in the Finder launches
the stack as a standalone app without Rev's IDE.  The problem appears to be
a file-association issue.  Looking in the Get Info window for the stack
shows "Standalone (default)" as the default application under "Open with:".
Changing this to any version of Rev and clicking "Change All..." fails to
stick (reverts back to Standalone).

Is there a way to force-update the default app without reinstalling Rev or
resorting to a 3rd party tool?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 27 20:35:30 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:35:30 -0700
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
Message-ID: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

> A customer of mine is reporting that his Mac system is currently treating
> stacks as standalone apps: double-clicking a stack in the Finder launches
> the stack as a standalone app without Rev's IDE.  The problem appears to be
> a file-association issue.  Looking in the Get Info window for the stack
> shows "Standalone (default)" as the default application under "Open with:".
> Changing this to any version of Rev and clicking "Change All..." fails to
> stick (reverts back to Standalone).
> 
> Is there a way to force-update the default app without reinstalling Rev or
> resorting to a 3rd party tool?

It may be unrelated to the Rev install.

Does he have a standalone on his HD named "Standalone"?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May 27 20:37:33 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:37:33 -0700
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
In-Reply-To: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C6432ADD.41E2C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>> Is there a way to force-update the default app without reinstalling Rev or
>> resorting to a 3rd party tool?
> 
> It may be unrelated to the Rev install.
> 
> Does he have a standalone on his HD named "Standalone"?

It appears so, by looking at a screenshot of the Get Info window.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 27 20:40:14 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:40:14 -0500
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
In-Reply-To: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A1DDD6E.4070209@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> A customer of mine is reporting that his Mac system is currently treating
>> stacks as standalone apps: double-clicking a stack in the Finder launches
>> the stack as a standalone app without Rev's IDE.  The problem appears 
>> to be
>> a file-association issue.  Looking in the Get Info window for the stack
>> shows "Standalone (default)" as the default application under "Open 
>> with:".
>> Changing this to any version of Rev and clicking "Change All..." fails to
>> stick (reverts back to Standalone).
>>
>> Is there a way to force-update the default app without reinstalling 
>> Rev or
>> resorting to a 3rd party tool?
> 
> It may be unrelated to the Rev install.
> 
> Does he have a standalone on his HD named "Standalone"?

"Standalone" is the name of the runtime engine(s) used by the standalone 
builder. I see that in OS X, both Standalone and Revolution have the 
same creator code -- "Revo". The Finder must be getting confused.

If the customer doesn't need to build standalones, he could try zipping 
the OS X apps inside the Runtime folder. That may force the Finder to 
"see" other copies of "Revo".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed May 27 23:04:10 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:04:10 +1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
Message-ID: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

In my further testing with On-Rev, I have now constructed an opinion poll page:
<http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev>

I would be very grateful if people could help me test by going and voting.
It is supposed to allow only one vote per computer, storing a cookie
after a valid vote, so please try voting more than once and checking
if that works. (It may allow multiple votes if you don't allow
cookies.)

If you want to see the script, it is all here:
<http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>

It uses a text file to store the question, the options and the
results, so to put up a new poll, I only have to edit the text file.

Thanks,
Sarah


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May 27 23:19:03 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:03 EDT
Subject: Property problem
Message-ID: <c9a.2a0e4ef3.374f5ca7@aol.com>

I don't know, Jacque. There are about sixty-odd properties in a new button, 
and almost all have values: rects, hilites, borderWidths, etc. None have 
been set by anyone, and many cannot have been inherited from the card (which 
would be its owner) and which are not properties of a card anyway. It was 
just those three, all basic text properties.

Virgin fields have these three text properties (again, textSize, textFont, 
textStyle) at the getgo. Not buttons.

But most telling is that the three properties are gettable when just one is 
set. In the property inspector, all three are blank initially, though there 
certainly is a value for each; they just are not listed. Setting one 
(textSize, say) still shows blank for, say, textFont. Yet all of them are gettable 
right afterwards.

It is really screwing up a task I am trying to work out. I need to get 
these properties, and I cannot assume that my target buttons will have been 
massaged. My workaround is to check whether the properties are   blank, and if 
so, set them to what I assume are the default, at creation, values. I guess 
this will be OK.

Thanks,

Craig



In a message dated 5/27/09 6:31:29 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> What I don't understand is why you got a value when asking by button
> name. The properties should be empty no matter what type of object
> reference you use.
> 




**************
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May 27 23:23:03 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:23:03 EDT
Subject: Property problem
Message-ID: <cf6.558fd124.374f5d97@aol.com>

Jacques.

Long winded philippics notwithstanding, the "effective" properties do the 
trick. They essentially provide what I called the "default" values of those 
properties, so I will use them.

Seems like a minor glitch, though.

Thank you again. 

Craig

In a message dated 5/27/09 6:31:29 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> What I don't understand is why you got a value when asking by button
> name. The properties should be empty no matter what type of object
> reference you use.
> 




**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? 
diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed May 27 23:27:08 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:27:08 EDT
Subject: Property problem
Message-ID: <d33.554e9043.374f5e8c@aol.com>

This does not seem to matter here at home. I will recheck the script I made 
at work, where I am sure (hah!) this was the case.

Craig

In a message dated 5/27/09 6:31:29 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> What I don't understand is why you got a value when asking by button
> name. The properties should be empty no matter what type of object
> reference you use.
> 




**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? 
diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 27 23:30:48 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:30:48 -0700
Subject: Property problem
Message-ID: <4A1E0568.2030900@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:

> Long winded philippics notwithstanding, the "effective" properties do the 
> trick. They essentially provide what I called the "default" values of those 
> properties, so I will use them.
> 
> Seems like a minor glitch, though.

One man's glitch is another man's freedom:  I love the convenience of 
having controls without text or color properties set, then set them once 
at the stack level so all controls within that stack take on native 
appearances for each platform.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From paulgabel at comcast.net  Thu May 28 00:01:58 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:01:58 -0700
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
In-Reply-To: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CE37F977-4FD3-4885-9296-B063D734BF3A@comcast.net>

No he doesn't.

On May 27, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> A customer of mine is reporting that his Mac system is currently  
>> treating
>> stacks as standalone apps: double-clicking a stack in the Finder  
>> launches
>> the stack as a standalone app without Rev's IDE.  The problem  
>> appears to be
>> a file-association issue.  Looking in the Get Info window for the  
>> stack
>> shows "Standalone (default)" as the default application under "Open  
>> with:".
>> Changing this to any version of Rev and clicking "Change All..."  
>> fails to
>> stick (reverts back to Standalone).
>> Is there a way to force-update the default app without reinstalling  
>> Rev or
>> resorting to a 3rd party tool?
>
> It may be unrelated to the Rev install.
>
> Does he have a standalone on his HD named "Standalone"?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu May 28 00:02:30 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:02:30 +0900
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Sarah,

Tried your poll. Could vote the first
time, but not any times after that.

Nifty!

Have archived your script for
my future use. Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 00:21:59 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:21:59 +1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905272121n31853bf4k6081b6a33fd06bbf@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Sarah,
>
> Tried your poll. Could vote the first
> time, but not any times after that.
>
> Nifty!
>
> Have archived your script for
> my future use. Thanks.

Excellent - thanks Nicholas.
Don't forget to grab the cookies include file as well from
<http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=includes/cookies.irev>

And I've just improved the comments on the page, so you might want to
update your archived copy.

Cheers,
Sarah


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu May 28 00:43:44 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:43:44 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1E1680.90909@pdslabs.net>

Hi Sarah,

My results were the same as those of Nicolas. Nice job!

Phil


Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> Hello Sarah,
>
> Tried your poll. Could vote the first
> time, but not any times after that.
>
> Nifty!
>
> Have archived your script for
> my future use. Thanks.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu May 28 01:06:02 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: selecting multiple lines in a field with arrow keys
Message-ID: <23755269.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

I'm trying to hilite multiple lines in a scrolling field with the arrow keys
(up or down), the same way as doing it with the mouse (while holding down
the shiftKey).
The field has the multipleHilites and the noncontiguousHilites both checked.
Also the field is locked, and the Focusable is checked.

Using the mouse while holding down the shiftKey I can select multiple lines,
but using the arrow keys while holding down the shiftKey does not allow
selecting multiple lines.

Q: How do I do the latter?

--
 Regards,
 Mark Stuart
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 28 01:06:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:18 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <189-1072229125.20090527220618@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 8:04:10 PM, you wrote:

> If you want to see the script, it is all here:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>

Nice. I can get the script viewer to mess up if I type

http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev????

into the url line and press return. Apparently the page generator is
using the url to generate the script viewer link.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 01:39:15 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:39:15 +1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <189-1072229125.20090527220618@ahsoftware.net>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<189-1072229125.20090527220618@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905272239m7988f950kff15412b0806236e@mail.gmail.com>

>> If you want to see the script, it is all here:
>> <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>
>
> Nice. I can get the script viewer to mess up if I type
>
> http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev????
>
> into the url line and press return. Apparently the page generator is
> using the url to generate the script viewer link.

Yes, it is, so I guess I need to do a bit more checking on the link.
Thanks for that Mark.

Cheers,
Sarah


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu May 28 03:05:02 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:05:02 +0200
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>

Bonjour Sarah,
Here (allow cookies set to true), I was able to vote several times (it  
add votes to the results each time I vote).

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

Le 28 mai 09 ? 05:04, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> Hi All,
>
> In my further testing with On-Rev, I have now constructed an opinion  
> poll page:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev>
>
> I would be very grateful if people could help me test by going and  
> voting.
> It is supposed to allow only one vote per computer, storing a cookie
> after a valid vote, so please try voting more than once and checking
> if that works. (It may allow multiple votes if you don't allow
> cookies.)
>
> If you want to see the script, it is all here:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>
>
> It uses a text file to store the question, the options and the
> results, so to put up a new poll, I only have to edit the text file.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 03:08:22 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:08:22 +1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:
> Bonjour Sarah,
> Here (allow cookies set to true), I was able to vote several times (it add
> votes to the results each time I vote).
>

Hi Andre,

Would you mind checking to see if there is a cookie stored?
Search for "troz" and you should see a cookie called "voted1" set to true.
I want to see whether the error is in the cookie setting or somewhere else.

Thanks,
Sarah


From katir at hindu.org  Thu May 28 03:15:15 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:15:15 -1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <4A1E1680.90909@pdslabs.net>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1E1680.90909@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <C23EA532-1EAA-4659-85EB-E259DD2BE1EB@hindu.org>

All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 27, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
>
> My results were the same as those of Nicolas. Nice job!
>
> Phil
>
>
> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>> Hello Sarah,
>>
>> Tried your poll. Could vote the first
>> time, but not any times after that.
>>
>> Nifty!
>>
>> Have archived your script for
>> my future use. Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Cueto
>
> --  
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu May 28 03:31:53 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:31:53 +0200
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
	<f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3628636-F4C3-4937-A036-6EBAF1ED556B@inria.fr>


Le 28 mai 09 ? 09:08, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr 
> > wrote:
>> Bonjour Sarah,
>> Here (allow cookies set to true), I was able to vote several times  
>> (it add
>> votes to the results each time I vote).
>>
>
> Hi Andre,
>
> Would you mind checking to see if there is a cookie stored?
> Search for "troz" and you should see a cookie called "voted1" set to  
> true.
> I want to see whether the error is in the cookie setting or  
> somewhere else.
>
Yes, there is a cookie "voted1" set to true from troz.on-rev.com
and when it is there I can't vote again. I get only the results page.

Actually, I understand that I was (am) able to vote several times  
insofar I was (am) using the "back" button ; -))

but as soon as I quit your site and try again to open it I get the  
results page only.

Andr?


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 28 03:42:59 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:42:59 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <F3628636-F4C3-4937-A036-6EBAF1ED556B@inria.fr>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
	<f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3628636-F4C3-4937-A036-6EBAF1ED556B@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <54-1062828296.20090528004259@ahsoftware.net>

Andre.Bisseret-

Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:31:53 AM, you wrote:

> Actually, I understand that I was (am) able to vote several times
> insofar I was (am) using the "back" button ; -))

Verified here as well. Using the browser's back button I can vote any
number of times and the count increments each time.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu May 28 03:58:09 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:58:09 +0900
Subject: On-Rev mailing list? (was Re: On-Rev testing - opinion poll)
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:

> All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?

I too've been wondering so.

There's an on-rev forum, but I'd prefer a mailing list.
Plus, why clutter the rev list since not all (or even
most?) rev-user are also on-rev'ers?

What do others think?  Anyone at on-rev listening?

--
Nicolas Cueto


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu May 28 04:08:41 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:08:41 +0200
Subject: On-Rev mailing list? (was Re: On-Rev testing - opinion poll)
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I really don't care. The on-rev stuff won't clutter the use list as  
much as all the non-technical stuff discussed here. I'd rather wish  
that people cut down on the chit-chats (like the current subject).

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 28 mei 2009, at 09:58, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?
>
> I too've been wondering so.
>
> There's an on-rev forum, but I'd prefer a mailing list.
> Plus, why clutter the rev list since not all (or even
> most?) rev-user are also on-rev'ers?
>
> What do others think?  Anyone at on-rev listening?
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 04:40:15 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:40:15 +1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <C23EA532-1EAA-4659-85EB-E259DD2BE1EB@hindu.org>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70905272102pc02d480l1f9a4bef3faaeb9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1E1680.90909@pdslabs.net>
	<C23EA532-1EAA-4659-85EB-E259DD2BE1EB@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905280140x584c88d1j70ff400c8ae13df0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
<katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?

My apologies. I had considered that since On-Rev is just Revolution on
the web, that it was not off-topic. Also that people who were not yet
signed up and therefore did not have access to the On-Rev forums might
have been interested in the possibilities.

However, consider me chastised. If anyone else wants to respond to my
original post, please email me directly. Thanks.

Sarah


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu May 28 08:13:45 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:13:45 -0400
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>

Well it worked here (allow cookies)  Tried to vote multiple times and  
could not.

Great work Sarah,


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On May 27, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In my further testing with On-Rev, I have now constructed an opinion  
> poll page:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev>
>
> I would be very grateful if people could help me test by going and  
> voting.
> It is supposed to allow only one vote per computer, storing a cookie
> after a valid vote, so please try voting more than once and checking
> if that works. (It may allow multiple votes if you don't allow
> cookies.)
>
> If you want to see the script, it is all here:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>
>
> It uses a text file to store the question, the options and the
> results, so to put up a new poll, I only have to edit the text file.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu May 28 09:29:22 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:29:22 -0400
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
	<f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7452F041-E3BF-48B2-A22C-9973743C8D70@mac.com>

Was able to learn from your example and replicate it - hopefully got  
it right.

http://lazyriver.on-rev.com/poll.irev


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On May 28, 2009, at 3:08 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr 
> > wrote:
>> Bonjour Sarah,
>> Here (allow cookies set to true), I was able to vote several times  
>> (it add
>> votes to the results each time I vote).
>>
>
> Hi Andre,
>
> Would you mind checking to see if there is a cookie stored?
> Search for "troz" and you should see a cookie called "voted1" set to  
> true.
> I want to see whether the error is in the cookie setting or  
> somewhere else.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu May 28 09:35:53 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:35:53 +0200
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <7452F041-E3BF-48B2-A22C-9973743C8D70@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
	<f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7452F041-E3BF-48B2-A22C-9973743C8D70@mac.com>
Message-ID: <32BD3800-6DBA-4142-A295-5D4723A9A3E7@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Thomas,

> Was able to learn from your example and replicate it - hopefully got  
> it right.
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com/poll.irev

Almost as cool as Sarah's original ;-)

Little typo:
D. I don't do opion polls

Should read:
D. I don't do opium polls

:-D

> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 28 09:39:52 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:39:52 +0200
Subject: crash on a single machine
Message-ID: <D939385B923C4A958693877F71A1FE87@Kestner.local>

Hello,

My new App has a read only valentina db. My App runs fine on some hundreds
of Win machines and also some Macs

There are no updates, no inserts to the db in my app, just plain selects.
The db resides inside the app bundle on the Mac.

Now I have a customer (not verified perhaps two), where my app crashes
immediately (and reproduceble), when doing any select on the db without any
error message, it just quits. After the crash, the app can't be started
anymore, even a restart of the Mac doesn't changes anything. At any attempt
to start the app the user gets the error message "the app was quit
unexpectedly". The user has to deinstall the app and reinstall it to be able
to start the app again. But with the first click on any button, where a
select is send to the db, the app crashes again and is unusable anymore. The
crash log tells something about problems with the db index (has Ruslan
already analyzed). I am not using a separate index file.

The Mac is a MacBook with 10.4.11 and 1 GB of memory, so it should be enough
of RAM. There is no other (admin) user profile, it is a single user machine,
so all rights are available. "Everything else" is running fine on this
machine, so it can't be a corrupted memory modul. I gave all permission for
everyone to the app and inherited it to all files of the app and at least my
app runs fine on "all" other Macs (at least not this crash).

 

I know, that this is very hard to track down and is obviously valentina
related and it must be something on the end user machine, but perhaps
anybody has encountered something similar and has any idea where else to
look for, I have no ideas left. Btw. the valentina list either had no ideas.

 

I am not the Mac expert. Could it be a worth to look for an update of the OS
X, without switching completely to 10.5? I have never looked, can you
select, which updates you want to load on a Mac?

 

Thanks for any hint

Tiemo

 

 

 

 



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 28 10:46:11 2009
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:46:11 +0300
Subject: crash on a single machine
In-Reply-To: <D939385B923C4A958693877F71A1FE87@Kestner.local>
Message-ID: <C6447E63.C284C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/28/09 4:39 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:

Hi Tiemo,

* IS this a SINGLE your user who have 10.4.11?
    or exists other?

* so from CD the application and DB is copied to HDD?
    with Vstudio user can try open db and REINDEX it.
    also Diagnose. You can explain easy 2 steps todo,
    If needed free serials for Vstudio you can get on our site
    after login 


> My new App has a read only valentina db. My App runs fine on some hundreds
> of Win machines and also some Macs
> 
> There are no updates, no inserts to the db in my app, just plain selects.
> The db resides inside the app bundle on the Mac.
> 
> Now I have a customer (not verified perhaps two), where my app crashes
> immediately (and reproduceble), when doing any select on the db without any
> error message, it just quits. After the crash, the app can't be started
> anymore, even a restart of the Mac doesn't changes anything. At any attempt
> to start the app the user gets the error message "the app was quit
> unexpectedly". The user has to deinstall the app and reinstall it to be able
> to start the app again. But with the first click on any button, where a
> select is send to the db, the app crashes again and is unusable anymore. The
> crash log tells something about problems with the db index (has Ruslan
> already analyzed). I am not using a separate index file.
> 
> The Mac is a MacBook with 10.4.11 and 1 GB of memory, so it should be enough
> of RAM. There is no other (admin) user profile, it is a single user machine,
> so all rights are available. "Everything else" is running fine on this
> machine, so it can't be a corrupted memory modul. I gave all permission for
> everyone to the app and inherited it to all files of the app and at least my
> app runs fine on "all" other Macs (at least not this crash).
> 
>  
> 
> I know, that this is very hard to track down and is obviously valentina
> related and it must be something on the end user machine, but perhaps
> anybody has encountered something similar and has any idea where else to
> look for, I have no ideas left. Btw. the valentina list either had no ideas.
> 
>  
> 
> I am not the Mac expert. Could it be a worth to look for an update of the OS
> X, without switching completely to 10.5? I have never looked, can you
> select, which updates you want to load on a Mac?

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu May 28 11:05:26 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:05:26 -0400
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <32BD3800-6DBA-4142-A295-5D4723A9A3E7@major.on-rev.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
	<f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7452F041-E3BF-48B2-A22C-9973743C8D70@mac.com>
	<32BD3800-6DBA-4142-A295-5D4723A9A3E7@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <6D4ED271-AEC0-41DE-AE3F-B071F680F0B9@mac.com>

Ahh, yes you are right.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
8, 2009, at 9:35 AM, klaus at major.on-rev.com wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
>> Was able to learn from your example and replicate it - hopefully  
>> got it right.
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com/poll.irev
>
> Almost as cool as Sarah's original ;-)
>
> Little typo:
> D. I don't do opion polls
>
> Should read:
> D. I don't do opium polls
>
> :-D
>
>> Tom McGrath III
>> Lazy River Software
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>
>> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
>> Information and download can be found on this page:
>> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major.on-rev.com
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 28 11:08:47 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:08:47 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
Message-ID: <4A1EA8FF.2020506@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
> <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>> All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?
> 
> My apologies. I had considered that since On-Rev is just Revolution on
> the web, that it was not off-topic. Also that people who were not yet
> signed up and therefore did not have access to the On-Rev forums might
> have been interested in the possibilities.

I appreciate Mark's comment about keeping noise here down so this will 
be my only comment on this, but I believe On-Rev discussion is a 
valuable part of this list which should remain here.

Rev encompasses the breadth of modern mainstream computing:  Windows, 
Mac, Linux, and the web.  With the CGI it's been this way for years, and 
now with the new enhanced server components it's only getting better.

The lines between the desktop and the web are becoming blurred, with 
browser-based apps taking on new capabilities once only possible on the 
  desktop, and desktop apps taking advantage of Internet protocols for 
shared workflows, immediate updates, and more.

I see no significant distinction between On-Rev and the desktop 
Revolution product.  They occupy different ends of a spectrum of 
capabilities, and together they cover the range of options across that 
spectrum.

So FWIW, I would suggest that On-Rev discussion remain here as the 
valuable contribution it is, addressing the other half of modern 
client-server systems.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 28 12:01:02 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:01:02 -0700
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
Message-ID: <4A1EB53E.3060004@fourthworld.com>

Paul Gabel wrote:

 > On May 27, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> Scott Rossi wrote:
 >>> A customer of mine is reporting that his Mac system is currently
 >>> treating stacks as standalone apps: double-clicking a stack in
 >>> the Finder launches the stack as a standalone app without Rev's
 >>> IDE.  The problem appears to be a file-association issue.  Looking
 >>> in the Get Info window for the stack shows "Standalone (default)"
 >>> as the default application under "Open with:".
 >>> Changing this to any version of Rev and clicking "Change All..."
 >>> fails to stick (reverts back to Standalone).
 >>> Is there a way to force-update the default app without reinstalling
 >>> Rev or resorting to a 3rd party tool?
 >>
 >> It may be unrelated to the Rev install.
 >>
 >> Does he have a standalone on his HD named "Standalone"?
 >
 > No he doesn't.

If the Finder isn't honoring the setting established in Get Info, it 
sounds like just another Finder bug.  I would defer to Jacque's advice:

   If the customer doesn't need to build standalones, he could try
   zipping the OS X apps inside the Runtime folder. That may force
   the Finder to "see" other copies of "Revo".

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu May 28 12:01:20 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:01:20 -0300
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <002101c9dee1$a32ddeb0$e9899c10$@com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
	<002101c9dee1$a32ddeb0$e9899c10$@com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905280901i3deb617wb92eff289260b20c@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

welcome to the Revolution. I am by no mean some expert on best
practices and anybody who read my code knows that (at least I fail in
a consistent way, I always mistype heigth the same way).

Talking a little about scope and when I use global, script, temp
variables and custom properties.

I use globals when I need sharing the data all across multiple
scripts, stacks and the like and the data must be forgotten between
runs. So, I use it for wide spread temporary data but these days I use
only one global and that global is an array where I can put anything I
want and still keep the global clutter low.

I use script local variables when I need something shared between the
handlers and functions of a single object (or card or stack or
library). So if I am building a library, that library will not have a
global for sharing data with itself but will indeed use script local
variables.

Temporary variables are used everywhere...

And I use customprops with data that needs remembering or are multiple
line. If I need to store the data I am using, I will use a custom
property or if I am fiddling with some constant or some data that will
be used by my software as opposed from data that is inputed from
keyboard or other data sources, then I will use a custom property.
Common uses for me is storing templates and pieces of messages to be
assembled later and presented to the user. I also store binary chunks
in custom properties when needed. For example, storing curl.exe inside
a custom property and pipeing it out case the windows user does not
have curl installed and I need it.

Cheers
andre


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 28 12:14:52 2009
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:14:52 +0200
Subject: AW: crash on a single machine
In-Reply-To: <C6447E63.C284C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <26727A67BBBA476D9CA5CE1E286082DF@Kestner.local>

Thank you Ruslan,
I'll go for that
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ruslan Zasukhin
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 16:46
> An: use-revolution; valentina at lists.macserve.net
> Betreff: Re: crash on a single machine
> 
> On 5/28/09 4:39 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> * IS this a SINGLE your user who have 10.4.11?
>     or exists other?
> 
> * so from CD the application and DB is copied to HDD?
>     with Vstudio user can try open db and REINDEX it.
>     also Diagnose. You can explain easy 2 steps todo,
>     If needed free serials for Vstudio you can get on our site
>     after login
> 
> 
> > My new App has a read only valentina db. My App runs fine on some
> hundreds
> > of Win machines and also some Macs
> >
> > There are no updates, no inserts to the db in my app, just plain
> selects.
> > The db resides inside the app bundle on the Mac.
> >
> > Now I have a customer (not verified perhaps two), where my app crashes
> > immediately (and reproduceble), when doing any select on the db without
> any
> > error message, it just quits. After the crash, the app can't be started
> > anymore, even a restart of the Mac doesn't changes anything. At any
> attempt
> > to start the app the user gets the error message "the app was quit
> > unexpectedly". The user has to deinstall the app and reinstall it to be
> able
> > to start the app again. But with the first click on any button, where a
> > select is send to the db, the app crashes again and is unusable anymore.
> The
> > crash log tells something about problems with the db index (has Ruslan
> > already analyzed). I am not using a separate index file.
> >
> > The Mac is a MacBook with 10.4.11 and 1 GB of memory, so it should be
> enough
> > of RAM. There is no other (admin) user profile, it is a single user
> machine,
> > so all rights are available. "Everything else" is running fine on this
> > machine, so it can't be a corrupted memory modul. I gave all permission
> for
> > everyone to the app and inherited it to all files of the app and at
> least my
> > app runs fine on "all" other Macs (at least not this crash).
> >
> >
> >
> > I know, that this is very hard to track down and is obviously valentina
> > related and it must be something on the end user machine, but perhaps
> > anybody has encountered something similar and has any idea where else to
> > look for, I have no ideas left. Btw. the valentina list either had no
> ideas.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not the Mac expert. Could it be a worth to look for an update of
> the OS
> > X, without switching completely to 10.5? I have never looked, can you
> > select, which updates you want to load on a Mac?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> 
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
> 
> 
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From andersen at mwdental.com  Thu May 28 12:39:39 2009
From: andersen at mwdental.com (Bill Andersen)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:39:39 -0500
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905280901i3deb617wb92eff289260b20c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>	<002101c9dee1$a32ddeb0$e9899c10$@com>
	<7c87a2a10905280901i3deb617wb92eff289260b20c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c9dfb2$e509b080$af1d1180$@com>

andre wrote:
>I use globals when I need sharing the data all across multiple
>scripts, stacks and the like and the data must be forgotten between
>runs. So, I use it for wide spread temporary data but these days I use
>only one global and that global is an array where I can put anything I
>want and still keep the global clutter low.

Hmm, that's a good idea.  That would certianly unclutter the top of
some scripts!

> And I use customprops with data that needs remembering or are multiple
> line. If I need to store the data I am using, I will use a custom
> property or if I am fiddling with some constant or some data that will
> be used by my software as opposed from data that is inputed from
> keyboard or other data sources, then I will use a custom property.
> Common uses for me is storing templates and pieces of messages to be
> assembled later and presented to the user. I also store binary chunks
> in custom properties when needed. For example, storing curl.exe inside
> a custom property and pipeing it out case the windows user does not
> have curl installed and I need it.

This is one area I am having issues.  I'm new enough to Rev that I 
didn't realize fields on my Preferece Page (DB IP Address, DB Name, etc.)
wouldn't be remembered between sessions when I make a Standalone!

Can I take what the user enters in the fields for their Preferences
(database's IP Address, DB Name, etc.) and then assign them to a Custom
Property before they exit the standalone.  Will that keep the data?

OR, do I have to store that in a "prefs" text file and just parse it
at runtime? What do others do?

Bill




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 12:47:15 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:47:15 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <4A1EA8FF.2020506@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A1EA8FF.2020506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B5B03351-6679-411B-A2CC-B1BE0220C689@yahoo.com>

I agree that On-Rev is very important to the user base, even if we are  
not all using it.  At the moment I am not using it, but I will be in  
the next 4-6 months.  Web apps are squarely in the category of cross- 
platform, cross-browser solutions that unify organizations across  
international boundaries.

My vote, keep the comments here because the activity, questions, and  
issues definitely affect those not yet on the service.
perhaps as [On-Rev]

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On May 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
>> <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>> All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?
>> My apologies. I had considered that since On-Rev is just Revolution  
>> on
>> the web, that it was not off-topic. Also that people who were not yet
>> signed up and therefore did not have access to the On-Rev forums  
>> might
>> have been interested in the possibilities.
>
> I appreciate Mark's comment about keeping noise here down so this  
> will be my only comment on this, but I believe On-Rev discussion is  
> a valuable part of this list which should remain here.
>
> Rev encompasses the breadth of modern mainstream computing:   
> Windows, Mac, Linux, and the web.  With the CGI it's been this way  
> for years, and now with the new enhanced server components it's only  
> getting better.
>
> The lines between the desktop and the web are becoming blurred, with  
> browser-based apps taking on new capabilities once only possible on  
> the  desktop, and desktop apps taking advantage of Internet  
> protocols for shared workflows, immediate updates, and more.
>
> I see no significant distinction between On-Rev and the desktop  
> Revolution product.  They occupy different ends of a spectrum of  
> capabilities, and together they cover the range of options across  
> that spectrum.
>
> So FWIW, I would suggest that On-Rev discussion remain here as the  
> valuable contribution it is, addressing the other half of modern  
> client-server systems.
>


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Thu May 28 12:50:04 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:50:04 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <20090528144616.46F8948ADD8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090528144616.46F8948ADD8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A1EC0BC.8090704@castandcrew.com>


Sarah,

I voted, then was unable to vote again, so it works as designed, in my 
test anyway.

Sadhu


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 28 12:53:54 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:53:54 +0200
Subject: Correct Rev File Association?
In-Reply-To: <CE37F977-4FD3-4885-9296-B063D734BF3A@comcast.net>
References: <4A1DDC52.90105@fourthworld.com>
	<CE37F977-4FD3-4885-9296-B063D734BF3A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3638F3B8-8517-4B23-B604-C42872175DA2@ezpzapps.com>


On May 28, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Paul Gabel wrote:

> No he doesn't.
>
> On May 27, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> A customer of mine is reporting that his Mac system is currently  
>>> treating
>>> stacks as standalone apps: double-clicking a stack in the Finder  
>>> launches
>>> the stack as a standalone app without Rev's IDE.  The problem  
>>> appears to be
>>> a file-association issue.

Hmmm...  When I just checked the Spaces Preference for Revolution 3.5,  
it shows up as "Standalone" and not as "Revolution". Wonder what that  
means?

sims






From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu May 28 13:07:48 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:07:48 -0400
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <B5B03351-6679-411B-A2CC-B1BE0220C689@yahoo.com>
References: <4A1EA8FF.2020506@fourthworld.com>
	<B5B03351-6679-411B-A2CC-B1BE0220C689@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F14415A-B658-4F8A-B3CA-F25056DEE0C9@mac.com>

I too agree that revolution coding on the web or on the desktop  
belongs here on the use revolution list.

I didn't use the Rev CGI possibilities but was glad to read through  
all of the posts here so I could stay on top of what is possible using  
revolution. Some of us don't use quicktime or other unique features  
yet when we finally do use them this list is the place to search for  
help or solutions.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html

On May 28, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> I agree that On-Rev is very important to the user base, even if we  
> are not all using it.  At the moment I am not using it, but I will  
> be in the next 4-6 months.  Web apps are squarely in the category of  
> cross-platform, cross-browser solutions that unify organizations  
> across international boundaries.
>
> My vote, keep the comments here because the activity, questions, and  
> issues definitely affect those not yet on the service.
> perhaps as [On-Rev]
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On May 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
>>> <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>>> All non on-rev users are out of the loop. Start a new mailing list?
>>> My apologies. I had considered that since On-Rev is just  
>>> Revolution on
>>> the web, that it was not off-topic. Also that people who were not  
>>> yet
>>> signed up and therefore did not have access to the On-Rev forums  
>>> might
>>> have been interested in the possibilities.
>>
>> I appreciate Mark's comment about keeping noise here down so this  
>> will be my only comment on this, but I believe On-Rev discussion is  
>> a valuable part of this list which should remain here.
>>
>> Rev encompasses the breadth of modern mainstream computing:   
>> Windows, Mac, Linux, and the web.  With the CGI it's been this way  
>> for years, and now with the new enhanced server components it's  
>> only getting better.
>>
>> The lines between the desktop and the web are becoming blurred,  
>> with browser-based apps taking on new capabilities once only  
>> possible on the  desktop, and desktop apps taking advantage of  
>> Internet protocols for shared workflows, immediate updates, and more.
>>
>> I see no significant distinction between On-Rev and the desktop  
>> Revolution product.  They occupy different ends of a spectrum of  
>> capabilities, and together they cover the range of options across  
>> that spectrum.
>>
>> So FWIW, I would suggest that On-Rev discussion remain here as the  
>> valuable contribution it is, addressing the other half of modern  
>> client-server systems.
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 28 13:35:59 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:35:59 -0700
Subject: Best Practices Question
Message-ID: <4A1ECB7F.2050101@fourthworld.com>

Bill Andersen wrote:
> This is one area I am having issues.  I'm new enough to Rev that I 
> didn't realize fields on my Preferece Page (DB IP Address, DB Name, etc.)
> wouldn't be remembered between sessions when I make a Standalone!
> 
> Can I take what the user enters in the fields for their Preferences
> (database's IP Address, DB Name, etc.) and then assign them to a Custom
> Property before they exit the standalone.  Will that keep the data?
> 
> OR, do I have to store that in a "prefs" text file and just parse it
> at runtime? What do others do?

Best of both:  use properties in a stack file for the convenience of not 
having to parse data, but just store that stack file separate from the 
application.

Ordinarily prefs files are stored in specialFolderPath("preferences") on 
OS X and specialFolderPath(26) on Windows.


For details on working with data from standalones:

Saving data in Revolution standalones
by Sarah Reichelt
<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/saving_data_in_revolution.html>


For details on using specialFolderPath:

'specialFolderPath' Codes
by Ken Ray
<http://sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu May 28 14:29:31 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:29:31 +0200
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <7452F041-E3BF-48B2-A22C-9973743C8D70@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C79E451-976B-47D7-A148-3BEFFCE3A1BD@inria.fr>
	<f99b52860905280008v6b7ae5adu69bd7902de89e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7452F041-E3BF-48B2-A22C-9973743C8D70@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F0719B00-3526-434B-BEE0-85576A40586C@inria.fr>

I tried to vote several times (of course !!) but that was impossible,  
even using the "back" button ; what a pity ;-O)))

Andr?

Le 28 mai 09 ? 15:29, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> Was able to learn from your example and replicate it - hopefully got  
> it right.
>
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com/poll.irev
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2009, at 3:08 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr 
>> > wrote:
>>> Bonjour Sarah,
>>> Here (allow cookies set to true), I was able to vote several times  
>>> (it add
>>> votes to the results each time I vote).
>>>
>>
>> Hi Andre,
>>
>> Would you mind checking to see if there is a cookie stored?
>> Search for "troz" and you should see a cookie called "voted1" set  
>> to true.
>> I want to see whether the error is in the cookie setting or  
>> somewhere else.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sarah
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From mpease at lawandpolitics.com  Thu May 28 14:35:47 2009
From: mpease at lawandpolitics.com (Michael)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:35:47 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <20090528170003.93C6C48AE88@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C6442793.55154%mpease@lawandpolitics.com>

Hi:

I agree with Gaskin and Ault to keep on-rev discussions here. If nothing
else, on-rev is a great complement to desktop Rev, for example to provide
services, and I will often be using it that way.

m





From mcdomi at free.fr  Thu May 28 15:15:01 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:15:01 +0200
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <B5B03351-6679-411B-A2CC-B1BE0220C689@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1j0g2ui.1xnvt901dcgnsoM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> perhaps as [On-Rev]

I concur!

Also for maintaining On-Rev discussions here

Dom AKA Medard at On-Rev :-)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 28 15:22:07 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:22:07 -0500
Subject: selecting multiple lines in a field with arrow keys
In-Reply-To: <23755269.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <23755269.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A1EE45F.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to hilite multiple lines in a scrolling field with the arrow keys
> (up or down), the same way as doing it with the mouse (while holding down
> the shiftKey).
> The field has the multipleHilites and the noncontiguousHilites both checked.
> Also the field is locked, and the Focusable is checked.
> 
> Using the mouse while holding down the shiftKey I can select multiple lines,
> but using the arrow keys while holding down the shiftKey does not allow
> selecting multiple lines.
> 
> Q: How do I do the latter?

Verified. Shift-arrow key doesn't do what click-shift does. I think 
you'll have to write an arrowkey handler for the field to do what you 
want. It would get the hilitedlines of the field, add the mouseline to 
the list, and reselect all the lines. I didn't actually try it but it 
may work. Unfortunately it also may flash as the hiliting changes, which 
wouldn't be so good.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 28 15:33:49 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:33:49 -0500
Subject: selecting multiple lines in a field with arrow keys
In-Reply-To: <4A1EE45F.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <23755269.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A1EE45F.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A1EE71D.3060809@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> mfstuart wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to hilite multiple lines in a scrolling field with the 
>> arrow keys
>> (up or down), the same way as doing it with the mouse (while holding down
>> the shiftKey).
>> The field has the multipleHilites and the noncontiguousHilites both 
>> checked.
>> Also the field is locked, and the Focusable is checked.
>>
>> Using the mouse while holding down the shiftKey I can select multiple 
>> lines,
>> but using the arrow keys while holding down the shiftKey does not allow
>> selecting multiple lines.
>>
>> Q: How do I do the latter?
> 
> Verified. Shift-arrow key doesn't do what click-shift does. I think 
> you'll have to write an arrowkey handler for the field to do what you 
> want. It would get the hilitedlines of the field, add the mouseline to 
> the list, and reselect all the lines. I didn't actually try it but it 
> may work. Unfortunately it also may flash as the hiliting changes, which 
> wouldn't be so good.
> 

I should have said "selectedline" instead of mouseline. But I just tried 
it and it doesn't work very well.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From david at architex.tv  Thu May 28 15:56:32 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:56:32 +0100
Subject: Searching scripts for "hello world"
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0905281256wd1a3eb0hea012d139ce03d87@mail.gmail.com>

How do I search for a given multi-word phrase in a script -  not quite sure
how the RevIde script find works - seems to find scripts with all the words
in - not theentire string. Say I want to find all scripts in loaded stack
that contain the phrase "Hello World" - do I quote the phrase - use march
whole words - or do i have to write something myself?


From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May 28 16:44:17 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:44:17 EDT
Subject: Searching scripts for "hello world"
Message-ID: <c9e.500b42d5.375051a1@aol.com>

Try the "find" command, in its "find string" form.

Craig Newman


**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?
Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-
At?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)


From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu May 28 16:50:23 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:50:23 EDT
Subject: Searching scripts for "hello world"
Message-ID: <bdc.494f0726.3750530f@aol.com>

Also "find whole". I think this is faster, or was in HC.

Craig Newman


**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?
Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-
At?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu May 28 17:10:54 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:10:54 -0700
Subject: selecting multiple lines in a field with arrow keys
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C79E4B@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Written by J. Landman Gay on Thu May 28, 2009 - 2:33 PM CDT

>>>
I should have said "selectedline" instead of mouseline. But I just tried

it and it doesn't work very well.
<<<

Thanx Jacqueline, I'll try your suggestions.

--
 Regards,
 Mark Stuart
Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu May 28 18:10:04 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:10:04 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0251D01-57D2-478D-86A8-F75428EBB75A@pacifier.com>

I took your poll and it worked then used the back button took it again
and the count remained the same.

Works good!

thank you, Sarah.

-=>JB<=-



On May 27, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In my further testing with On-Rev, I have now constructed an  
> opinion poll page:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev>
>
> I would be very grateful if people could help me test by going and  
> voting.
> It is supposed to allow only one vote per computer, storing a cookie
> after a valid vote, so please try voting more than once and checking
> if that works. (It may allow multiple votes if you don't allow
> cookies.)
>
> If you want to see the script, it is all here:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>
>
> It uses a text file to store the question, the options and the
> results, so to put up a new poll, I only have to edit the text file.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu May 28 18:18:56 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:18:56 +0200
Subject: mouse gestures
In-Reply-To: <20090526170005.31D8F48A3F2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090526170005.31D8F48A3F2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B777B844-2B67-499C-8450-FAC24DDD7EBA@derbrill.de>

Hey,

as sitting in hotels in the middle of nowhere is boring, I took a  
couple of hours to write a little lib to implement mouse gestures in  
Rev. You can find it either in the new revOnline or type in the  
messagebox:

go stack URL "http://www.derbrill.de/fun/libMouseGestures.rev"

This lib enables you to implement mouse gestures in your own stacks.  
Just start using the stack by issuing:

start using stack "libMouseGestures"

To tell a control or card to listen to gestures you need to set a  
custom property of that control or card to true:

set the libGest["listenToGestures"] of this card to true

Now the card is listening to gestures. A gesture is performed by  
rightclicking and dragging (or control clicking and dragging for those  
with a one button mouse) To react to a gesture trap the libGestDone  
message generated by the lib. The drag directions are send as a  
parameter in form of a semicolon delimited list e.g.

up;left;downright

The stack has 3 cards with example script to react to gestures.

This one was hammered together quickly. Much room for improvement.  
Hope you like it. If anyone feels like improving on it I?d like to see  
the changes.

Best,

Malte



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu May 28 19:07:30 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:07:30 +1000
Subject: mouse gestures
In-Reply-To: <B777B844-2B67-499C-8450-FAC24DDD7EBA@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <C6455652.48DB%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Really neat!

Terry...


On 29/05/09 8:18 AM, "Malte Brill" <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> as sitting in hotels in the middle of nowhere is boring, I took a
> couple of hours to write a little lib to implement mouse gestures in
> Rev. You can find it either in the new revOnline or type in the
> messagebox:
> 
> go stack URL "http://www.derbrill.de/fun/libMouseGestures.rev"
> 
> This lib enables you to implement mouse gestures in your own stacks.
> Just start using the stack by issuing:
> 
> start using stack "libMouseGestures"
> 
> To tell a control or card to listen to gestures you need to set a
> custom property of that control or card to true:
> 
> set the libGest["listenToGestures"] of this card to true
> 
> Now the card is listening to gestures. A gesture is performed by
> rightclicking and dragging (or control clicking and dragging for those
> with a one button mouse) To react to a gesture trap the libGestDone
> message generated by the lib. The drag directions are send as a
> parameter in form of a semicolon delimited list e.g.
> 
> up;left;downright
> 
> The stack has 3 cards with example script to react to gestures.
> 
> This one was hammered together quickly. Much room for improvement.
> Hope you like it. If anyone feels like improving on it I?d like to see
> the changes.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Malte
> 
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From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May 28 19:54:51 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:54:51 -0400
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com><gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A1744B3.4010504@hyperactivesw.com><gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A1C6FBE.1060200@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <gvn87n$5e4$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi Alex,

Actually, you can.

If you get the latest on-Rev client, you'll notice a drop-down menu in the 
upper-right, "on-Rev Project."

This menu lists the sites you can edit. This list is drawn from the 
/.ireviam/sites.txt file on the server. Just edit this file and you'll be 
able to access the folders you need.

For example:

-----
user.on-rev.com{tab}/home/user/public_html
mydomain.com{tab}/home/user/mydomain
anotherdomain.com{tab}/home/user/anotherdomain
-----

In a future version of the on-Rev client, the information will either be 
pulled down automatically from the server or you'll be able to configure it 
in the client.

- Bill


"Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote in 
message news:4A1C6FBE.1060200 at tweedly.net...
> Bill Marriott wrote:
>> Jacque,
>>
>>
>>> This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is 
>>> how it needs to be set up.
>>>
>>
>> It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way 
>> whatsoever and both will work just fine.
>>
>> In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder 
>> will enable anyone to browse to
>>
>> http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/
>>
>> or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com
>>
>> and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is 
>> why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing 
>> the content unless they navigate to the intended domain.
>>
>>
> That sounds (to me) like a compelling reason to do it that way - and I 
> just succeeded (with a brand new domain name bought just so I can play 
> around without risking existing users).
>
> You may not care, but afaict the current on-rev client is unable to access 
> such root-based add-on domains - it only sees public_html and sub-folders 
> within that.  A great pity, I've already found the client's ability to 
> help with debugging of irev scripts to be tremenduously helpful ....
>
> -- Alex.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 28 19:52:24 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:52:24 -0700
Subject: Best Practices Question
In-Reply-To: <001e01c9dfb2$e509b080$af1d1180$@com>
References: <001a01c9ded4$3a2cd720$ae868560$@com>
	<6B45048D-051D-422F-9F87-7FE10A63C25F@byu.edu>
	<002101c9dee1$a32ddeb0$e9899c10$@com>
	<7c87a2a10905280901i3deb617wb92eff289260b20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<001e01c9dfb2$e509b080$af1d1180$@com>
Message-ID: <97-1004663046.20090528165224@ahsoftware.net>

Bill-

Thursday, May 28, 2009, 9:39:39 AM, you wrote:

> OR, do I have to store that in a "prefs" text file and just parse it
> at runtime? What do others do?

You can do that and it will work. Or you can make your preferences
stack a separate stack *file* and they will also be persistent. You
just can't modify a part of an executable file in any OS, and when you
create a standalone any substacks that aren't explictly separate stack
files are bundled into the executable.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May 28 20:18:07 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:18:07 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi folks,

We have a forum set up for users of on-Rev at forums.on-rev.com -- this is 
the ideal spot for the latest news/announcements, discussing on-Rev, 
technical issues with it, usage concerns, etc.

For example, information about accessing sites placed at the root level of 
your hierarchy (that I just reposted here) was originally posted to the 
on-Rev forums on Apr 24.

However, we have no problem with folks discussing on-Rev here. The use-rev 
list is very simply for "using Revolution." And we consider our product to 
be the language, not merely the desktop IDE. The on-Rev service is obviously 
a Revolution-based product. Just because it's a subscription service doesn't 
matter; people obviously discuss Enteprise-specific issues, even though not 
everyone owns Enterprise. So consider discussions about on-Rev officially 
on-topic.

Thanks,

Bill Marriott
runrev marketing guy 





From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu May 28 20:34:23 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Barcode-related stack?
In-Reply-To: <2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I could have sworn that the old revOnline had a stack related to barcodes 
in some manner.  But now I can't find it and find the new revOnline pretty 
but regrettably unusable.

I have a former student who now works in our disabilities solutions center 
who wants to do something tying together a barcode scanner (I think) or a 
tablet PC and Rev (which he actually found on his own, having harbored a 
fondness for HC).

If anyone could point me in the right directions I'd be appreciative; if 
it works, I'll bet the nearly locked-in faculty member would be even more 
appreciative :-)

Judy


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu May 28 20:44:30 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:44:30 -0700
Subject: Barcode-related stack?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>	<2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4A1F2FEE.1040606@comcast.net>

Hi Judy,

Sarah Reichelt has a couple of stacks here:

<http://www.troz.net/Rev/misc.php>


HTH,

Marty Knapp
> I could have sworn that the old revOnline had a stack related to 
> barcodes in some manner.  But now I can't find it and find the new 
> revOnline pretty but regrettably unusable.
>
> I have a former student who now works in our disabilities solutions 
> center who wants to do something tying together a barcode scanner (I 
> think) or a tablet PC and Rev (which he actually found on his own, 
> having harbored a fondness for HC).
>
> If anyone could point me in the right directions I'd be appreciative; 
> if it works, I'll bet the nearly locked-in faculty member would be 
> even more appreciative :-)
>
> Judy
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 28 21:06:13 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:06:13 -0700
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <140-1000234343.20090528180613@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Not only has this been fixed so that I can't vote multiple times by
using the back button, but there's now a message at the top of the
poll that says "This computer has already voted on the poll." Now I'm
gonna have to look at the script to see how you did that.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu May 28 21:36:45 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Barcode-related stack?
In-Reply-To: <4A1F2FEE.1040606@comcast.net>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<4A1F2FEE.1040606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281836220.20761@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Marty,

Thank you!  This is almost certainly where I saw them!

Judy

On Thu, 28 May 2009, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Hi Judy,
>
> Sarah Reichelt has a couple of stacks here:
>
> <http://www.troz.net/Rev/misc.php>
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Marty Knapp
>> I could have sworn that the old revOnline had a stack related to barcodes 
>> in some manner.  But now I can't find it and find the new revOnline pretty 
>> but regrettably unusable.
>> 
>> I have a former student who now works in our disabilities solutions center 
>> who wants to do something tying together a barcode scanner (I think) or a 
>> tablet PC and Rev (which he actually found on his own, having harbored a 
>> fondness for HC).
>> 
>> If anyone could point me in the right directions I'd be appreciative; if it 
>> works, I'll bet the nearly locked-in faculty member would be even more 
>> appreciative :-)
>> 
>> Judy
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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>
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu May 28 21:53:22 2009
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:53:22 -0500
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE576A72-20A1-40AC-8CC2-0C295A8D080E@mac.com>

Hi Sarah,

This looks very cool. Thanks for sharing it.

I voted twice by using Safari and then Firefox.... However, each  
browser was limited to one vote.

take care,
randy hengst
-----
On May 27, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In my further testing with On-Rev, I have now constructed an  
> opinion poll page:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/poll.irev>
>
> I would be very grateful if people could help me test by going and  
> voting.
> It is supposed to allow only one vote per computer, storing a cookie
> after a valid vote, so please try voting more than once and checking
> if that works. (It may allow multiple votes if you don't allow
> cookies.)
>
> If you want to see the script, it is all here:
> <http://troz.on-rev.com/script.irev?file=poll.irev>
>
> It uses a text file to store the question, the options and the
> results, so to put up a new poll, I only have to edit the text file.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 21:55:16 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:55:16 +1000
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <DE576A72-20A1-40AC-8CC2-0C295A8D080E@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<DE576A72-20A1-40AC-8CC2-0C295A8D080E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905281855p7961eac9te707864ed4252db8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Randy Hengst <iowahengst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> This looks very cool. Thanks for sharing it.
>
> I voted twice by using Safari and then Firefox.... However, each browser was
> limited to one vote.

Yes, cookies are browser-specific, so there is always that option, but
I think this is still the most effective way to avoid too much abuse
of the system.

Thanks to everyone for their testing and support. If you have
downloaded the script, please grab it again as I changed stuff
recently.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 21:57:11 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:57:11 +1000
Subject: Barcode-related stack?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905281857j52e86b50j94c74e2b3e7ec66b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> I could have sworn that the old revOnline had a stack related to barcodes in
> some manner. ?But now I can't find it and find the new revOnline pretty but
> regrettably unusable.

And I haven't got myself organised enough yet to upload any of my
stacks to the new system :-)

However Marty has pointed you to the right place, and please tell your
student to contact me off-list with any questions. Barcode scanners
can be a bit tricky to setup, but once you have it right, they work
very reliably.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu May 28 22:02:58 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Barcode-related stack?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905281857j52e86b50j94c74e2b3e7ec66b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<2307F3BC-3246-4ABA-B813-97BA91641A84@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281726420.20382@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<f99b52860905281857j52e86b50j94c74e2b3e7ec66b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905281902200.20761@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thank you, Sarah.  I'll point *him* in the right place now ;-)

Judy

On Fri, 29 May 2009, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> And I haven't got myself organised enough yet to upload any of my
> stacks to the new system :-)
>
> However Marty has pointed you to the right place, and please tell your
> student to contact me off-list with any questions. Barcode scanners
> can be a bit tricky to setup, but once you have it right, they work
> very reliably.


From nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn  Thu May 28 23:22:06 2009
From: nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn (Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:22:06 +0700
Subject: Data Grid - GetDataOfIndex (pIndex, pKey)
Message-ID: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1789A17@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>

 

Hi all,

 

            Are there anyone tell me how to use this function
GetDataOfIndex (pIndex, pKey)?

 

Thanks in advance

Nhan

 

 



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri May 29 00:13:26 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:13:26 -0400
Subject: Data Grid - GetDataOfIndex (pIndex, pKey)
Message-ID: <7532BD4C-84DA-424D-95C1-E126A3D29909@wehostmacs.com>

You do not use it directly but use this:
     put the dgDataOfIndex[<index>] of group <dataGridName> into <array>

Or you can set it:
     set the dgDataOfIndex[<index>] of group <dataGridName> to <array>

If you need to lookup the <index> use:
      dispatch "findIndex" of group <dataGridName> with <key>, <data>



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May 29 01:37:53 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:37:53 +0200
Subject: data grid - getting all items in a column
Message-ID: <EECB3F18-A955-4187-AFD6-B6BADCF9ACD4@ezpzapps.com>

I'm in need of a working example so I get get my feeble brain into  
using Data Grids.

I have a data grid named "DataGrid 2"
It has 2 columns - first column is named "Load" and the second column  
is named "Workspace"

What would be the exact script to place all of the items in column  
"Workspace" into a variable so I can then work with that list of items  
in "Workspace"?


sims 

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 29 04:27:55 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:27:55 -0700
Subject: Relayer Groups Within Group?
Message-ID: <C644EA9B.41EB2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Has anyone discovered a way to relayer nested groups up and down by a single
level?  I've found scripts in old email that are supposed to move groups to
the top or bottom of the parent group, which is straightforward, and tried
Chipp Walter's Layer Tool plugin, but this doesn't appear to work on groups.
In fact, Rev itself doesn't appear to be able to relayer subgroups up and
down within a group -- only to the front or back.  Setting the
relayerGroupedControls only serves to make a mishmash out of the subgroups.

So is this impossible to do?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Fri May 29 06:38:26 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:38:26 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a substack?
Message-ID: <13F20141-F667-4DAD-B2FF-8F2D73E9796F@macbay.de>

Hi!

I need a rather exact copy of a substack in my mainstack.
I will change only the name and some scripts.

How can I duplicate the substack.
I think I did it some times ago but I forgot how.

Thanks
Reinhold




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May 29 06:41:29 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a substack?
In-Reply-To: <13F20141-F667-4DAD-B2FF-8F2D73E9796F@macbay.de>
References: <13F20141-F667-4DAD-B2FF-8F2D73E9796F@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <97A9D70A-30B1-4F69-B858-272F08D233A1@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Reinhold,

I just did that right now.

Type

   clone stack "Name of substack"

in the message box and press return.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.color-converter.com
http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 29 mei 2009, at 12:38, Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I need a rather exact copy of a substack in my mainstack.
> I will change only the name and some scripts.
>
> How can I duplicate the substack.
> I think I did it some times ago but I forgot how.
>
> Thanks
> Reinhold
>



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri May 29 06:43:01 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:43:01 +1000
Subject: How to duplicate a substack?
In-Reply-To: <13F20141-F667-4DAD-B2FF-8F2D73E9796F@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <C645F955.4902%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

clone stack <stackname>

Terry...


On 29/05/09 8:38 PM, "Reinhold Venzl-Schubert" <r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de>
wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I need a rather exact copy of a substack in my mainstack.
> I will change only the name and some scripts.
> 
> How can I duplicate the substack.
> I think I did it some times ago but I forgot how.
> 
> Thanks
> Reinhold
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri May 29 07:06:22 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:06:22 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a substack?
In-Reply-To: <13F20141-F667-4DAD-B2FF-8F2D73E9796F@macbay.de>
References: <13F20141-F667-4DAD-B2FF-8F2D73E9796F@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <B2EE018B-3E85-46C4-B9BE-0FCC62DBD7B2@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Reinhold (Du altes Scheitelbein :-)

> Hi!
>
> I need a rather exact copy of a substack in my mainstack.
> I will change only the name and some scripts.
>
> How can I duplicate the substack.
> I think I did it some times ago but I forgot how.

as others already mentioned "clone stack XYZ" is what your are looking  
for.

I would also:
...
lock messages
## In case there are openstack/preopenstack/opencard etc. handlers  
that should not be executed
clone stack xyz
...

And don't forget, a cloned SUBstack will automatically become a  
MAINstack!

> Thanks
> Reinhold

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major.on-rev.com
klaus at major.on-rev.com





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri May 29 08:30:25 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:30:25 -0400
Subject: mouse gestures
In-Reply-To: <B777B844-2B67-499C-8450-FAC24DDD7EBA@derbrill.de>
References: <20090526170005.31D8F48A3F2@mail.runrev.com>
	<B777B844-2B67-499C-8450-FAC24DDD7EBA@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1BAAE870-F4A3-49FF-B4B6-925E4EE2DA75@mac.com>

Malte,

Love this little library. Very cool.

I would like to trap the starting mouse position and finish mouse  
position to get a distance traveled. I would use this for short medium  
and long gestures.

Your library seems very responsive, I wonder if adding the distance  
would slow it down?

I made a stack that ties the mouse gesture to the backgroundColor of  
the stack and can slide colors left and right and back or up down etc.  
What fun.

Now to build one for images and to animated swiping left and  
right.......


Thank you Malte for the inspiration.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On May 28, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hey,
>
> as sitting in hotels in the middle of nowhere is boring, I took a  
> couple of hours to write a little lib to implement mouse gestures in  
> Rev. You can find it either in the new revOnline or type in the  
> messagebox:
>
> go stack URL "http://www.derbrill.de/fun/libMouseGestures.rev"
>
> This lib enables you to implement mouse gestures in your own stacks.  
> Just start using the stack by issuing:
>
> start using stack "libMouseGestures"
>
> To tell a control or card to listen to gestures you need to set a  
> custom property of that control or card to true:
>
> set the libGest["listenToGestures"] of this card to true
>
> Now the card is listening to gestures. A gesture is performed by  
> rightclicking and dragging (or control clicking and dragging for  
> those with a one button mouse) To react to a gesture trap the  
> libGestDone message generated by the lib. The drag directions are  
> send as a parameter in form of a semicolon delimited list e.g.
>
> up;left;downright
>
> The stack has 3 cards with example script to react to gestures.
>
> This one was hammered together quickly. Much room for improvement.  
> Hope you like it. If anyone feels like improving on it I?d like to  
> see the changes.
>
> Best,
>
> Malte
>
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri May 29 08:51:58 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:51:58 -0400
Subject: On-Rev testing - opinion poll
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905281855p7961eac9te707864ed4252db8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<DE576A72-20A1-40AC-8CC2-0C295A8D080E@mac.com>
	<f99b52860905281855p7961eac9te707864ed4252db8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F23D52A7-9A72-4A70-84AC-640582A69A01@all-auctions.com>

Hi Sarah,

Perhaps if you captured the IP address at your end,
and combined that with your cookie solution you could
eliminate the double browser voting.

Just my 2 cents.

Rick


On May 28, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Randy Hengst <iowahengst at mac.com>  
> wrote:
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> This looks very cool. Thanks for sharing it.
>>
>> I voted twice by using Safari and then Firefox.... However, each  
>> browser was
>> limited to one vote.
>
> Yes, cookies are browser-specific, so there is always that option, but
> I think this is still the most effective way to avoid too much abuse
> of the system.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their testing and support. If you have
> downloaded the script, please grab it again as I changed stuff
> recently.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri May 29 08:56:56 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:56:56 -0400
Subject: Web Data Grid question
In-Reply-To: <F23D52A7-9A72-4A70-84AC-640582A69A01@all-auctions.com>
References: <f99b52860905272004u4e8844f4lcefde688db2da355@mail.gmail.com>
	<DE576A72-20A1-40AC-8CC2-0C295A8D080E@mac.com>
	<f99b52860905281855p7961eac9te707864ed4252db8@mail.gmail.com>
	<F23D52A7-9A72-4A70-84AC-640582A69A01@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <14D2E6A3-253D-482B-88A8-82EDEB833687@all-auctions.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know if I can deploy the Rev Data Grid
on the web, and if the behavior is similar to the way
Java script pops up mouse hovering button changes
without reloading the webpage?

Thanks in advance!

Rick



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May 29 08:57:56 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:57:56 -0400
Subject: Data Grid - GetDataOfIndex (pIndex, pKey)
In-Reply-To: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1789A17@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
References: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1789A17@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>
Message-ID: <6828999F-8CB3-4419-9EEB-221FA6271D5F@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 28, 2009, at 11:22 PM, Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh wrote:

>            Are there anyone tell me how to use this function
> GetDataOfIndex (pIndex, pKey)?

GetDataOfIndex is useful for retrieving a single key of the array (a  
key would be a column name in a data grid table) stored in index  
pIndex of the internal data grid array. Executing the following  
snippet from a script in the data grid (data grid itself or a row  
behavior):

put GetDataOfIndex( pIndex, pKey) into theValue

is the same as this snippet:

put the dgDataOfIndex[pIndex] of me into theDataA
put theDataA[pKey] into theValue

Make sense?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May 29 09:00:58 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:00:58 -0400
Subject: data grid - getting all items in a column
In-Reply-To: <EECB3F18-A955-4187-AFD6-B6BADCF9ACD4@ezpzapps.com>
References: <EECB3F18-A955-4187-AFD6-B6BADCF9ACD4@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <EDB1DFC2-C159-44E2-BDAF-9DE20A003BF8@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 29, 2009, at 1:37 AM, jim sims wrote:

> I'm in need of a working example so I get get my feeble brain into  
> using Data Grids.
>
> I have a data grid named "DataGrid 2"
> It has 2 columns - first column is named "Load" and the second  
> column is named "Workspace"
>
> What would be the exact script to place all of the items in column  
> "Workspace" into a variable so I can then work with that list of  
> items in "Workspace"?

One way:

## Get data grid array
put the dgData of group "DataGrid 2" into theDataA

## loop through multi-dimensional array and extract Workspace key
repeat with i = 1 to item 2 of line 1 of the extents of theDataA
     put theDataA[ i ]["Workspace"] & comma after theList
end repeat
delete the last char of theList

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May 29 09:13:21 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:13:21 -0400
Subject: Relayer Groups Within Group?
In-Reply-To: <C644EA9B.41EB2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C644EA9B.41EB2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <54837B57-8486-4A19-ABE4-5B4067741905@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 29, 2009, at 4:27 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Has anyone discovered a way to relayer nested groups up and down by  
> a single
> level?  I've found scripts in old email that are supposed to move  
> groups to
> the top or bottom of the parent group, which is straightforward, and  
> tried
> Chipp Walter's Layer Tool plugin, but this doesn't appear to work on  
> groups.
> In fact, Rev itself doesn't appear to be able to relayer subgroups  
> up and
> down within a group -- only to the front or back.  Setting the
> relayerGroupedControls only serves to make a mishmash out of the  
> subgroups.
>
> So is this impossible to do?

Yes, it is possible. I just uploaded a stack to RevOnline that has  
some handlers that will relayer controls while protecting hierarchy.  
The handlers included in the stack script:

MoveControlAfterControl
MoveControlBeforeControl
MoveControlToBeginningOfGroup
MoveControlToBeginningOfParent
MoveControlToEndOfGroup
MoveControlToEndOfParent
MoveControlTowardsBackOfParent
MoveControlTowardsBeginningOfParent
SetLayerWithinGroup
SetLayerWithinParentGroup

You should be able to accomplish just about any sort of reordering you  
would want with one of the above handlers.

Look for "Relayer Selected Control" in the Utility category. I *think*  
the handlers in the stack script are the latest versions. If you run  
into any problems let me know.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May 29 09:43:38 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:43:38 +0200
Subject: data grid - getting all items in a column
In-Reply-To: <EDB1DFC2-C159-44E2-BDAF-9DE20A003BF8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <EECB3F18-A955-4187-AFD6-B6BADCF9ACD4@ezpzapps.com>
	<EDB1DFC2-C159-44E2-BDAF-9DE20A003BF8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <2CCF1E30-76C0-4281-9F88-831BD6A35DC3@ezpzapps.com>


On May 29, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On May 29, 2009, at 1:37 AM, jim sims wrote:
>
>> I'm in need of a working example so I get get my feeble brain into  
>> using Data Grids.
>>
>> I have a data grid named "DataGrid 2"
>> It has 2 columns - first column is named "Load" and the second  
>> column is named "Workspace"
>>
>> What would be the exact script to place all of the items in column  
>> "Workspace" into a variable so I can then work with that list of  
>> items in "Workspace"?
>
> One way:
>
> ## Get data grid array
> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 2" into theDataA
>
> ## loop through multi-dimensional array and extract Workspace key
> repeat with i = 1 to item 2 of line 1 of the extents of theDataA
>    put theDataA[ i ]["Workspace"] & comma after theList
> end repeat
> delete the last char of theList

Thanks Trevor, I suspect you already extremely busy so answering  
questions here is extra duty for you. Much appreciated.

The above only gets me commas with no data.

I can use:      put the dgText   of group "DataGrid 2B"

which gets me the following (the "true" items are checkboxes) tab  
delimited list:

true	Communication
true	Graphics/Images
true	Development
	Last shutdown
	AppBoot Dev
	XhoutOut

I can slice that up, but suspect I'm missing the boat on how this all  
works.

I can use dgText and am going to use only small lists of data in my  
data grid right now so spending any time with me on this is not  
crucial for me if you are too busy.

thanks,
sims



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May 29 09:48:10 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:10 -0400
Subject: data grid - getting all items in a column
In-Reply-To: <2CCF1E30-76C0-4281-9F88-831BD6A35DC3@ezpzapps.com>
References: <EECB3F18-A955-4187-AFD6-B6BADCF9ACD4@ezpzapps.com>
	<EDB1DFC2-C159-44E2-BDAF-9DE20A003BF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2CCF1E30-76C0-4281-9F88-831BD6A35DC3@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <BD6E6064-8334-448E-BE84-2E77BB16FFAD@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 29, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

> The above only gets me commas with no data.

The code assumes you have a "Workspace" key in your data. What do you  
see if you execute the following code:

put the dgData of group "DataGrid 2" into theDataA
put the keys of theDataA[1]

?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri May 29 09:58:38 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:58:38 +0200
Subject: data grid - getting all items in a column
In-Reply-To: <BD6E6064-8334-448E-BE84-2E77BB16FFAD@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <EECB3F18-A955-4187-AFD6-B6BADCF9ACD4@ezpzapps.com>
	<EDB1DFC2-C159-44E2-BDAF-9DE20A003BF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2CCF1E30-76C0-4281-9F88-831BD6A35DC3@ezpzapps.com>
	<BD6E6064-8334-448E-BE84-2E77BB16FFAD@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <BEDD8D7F-450C-402E-A5A2-37869BC3762C@ezpzapps.com>


On May 29, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

>
> The code assumes you have a "Workspace" key in your data. What do  
> you see if you execute the following code:
>
> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 2" into theDataA
> put the keys of theDataA[1]
>


Ah, I see. I was working with the column label and not the name.
Thanks for shining the light on this for me.
Works now when I use Col 2 and so forth.

sims
  


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 29 10:46:29 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:46:29 EDT
Subject: Contracted menuBar question
Message-ID: <d08.579016f9.37514f45@aol.com>

Today I finished the Rev version of my HC development gadget, and uploaded 
to revOnLine. It is a stack that tracks and sets properties in other stacks, 
useful especially at the beginning of a project. New and improved.

But when I have the stack in front, its menu reduces to "File", "Edit" and 
"Help", with all menuItems disabled. I never touched the menubar in this 
stack. All other stacks show the full default menubar (or the ones I made for 
them).

For the stack in question, clicking anywhere in the rev toolbar brings back 
the full suite of menus; I have to do this every time I want to do 
somehing, for example, to save it.

I show nothing in the menuBuilder. It is typical of a new stack.

It has to be something simple. As usual. Thanks in advance.

Craig Newman


**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?
Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-
At?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)


From r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de  Fri May 29 11:11:11 2009
From: r.venzl-schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:11:11 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a substack?
In-Reply-To: <20090529123032.6387548AEF8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090529123032.6387548AEF8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F7378198-41A0-4FA7-8CA2-4AC8A8E138DB@macbay.de>

Hi Mark and all other helper,


> Type
>
>   clone stack "Name of substack"
>
> in the message box and press return.

that was it!

Thanks
Reinhold

PS: Warm regards from Dr. Alzheimer ;-)


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri May 29 10:37:03 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:37:03 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <71F08468-1ABF-4A1E-9F92-9BF757F0605E@luceatlux.com>

Hi, Bill,

I tried to register at forum.on-rev.com (I'm already registered at  
forum.rev.com) and got the message that my email address was already  
in use.  I do have other addresses, but would prefer to use the same  
email for both fora.  Is there a workaround?

George

On May 28, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

Hi folks,

We have a forum set up for users of on-Rev at forums.on-rev.com --  
this is
the ideal spot for the latest news/announcements, discussing on-Rev,
technical issues with it, usage concerns, etc.

For example, information about accessing sites placed at the root  
level of
your hierarchy (that I just reposted here) was originally posted to the
on-Rev forums on Apr 24.

However, we have no problem with folks discussing on-Rev here. The use- 
rev
list is very simply for "using Revolution." And we consider our  
product to
be the language, not merely the desktop IDE. The on-Rev service is  
obviously
a Revolution-based product. Just because it's a subscription service  
doesn't
matter; people obviously discuss Enteprise-specific issues, even  
though not
everyone owns Enterprise. So consider discussions about on-Rev  
officially
on-topic.

Thanks,

Bill Marriott
runrev marketing guy



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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 29 12:12:50 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:12:50 EDT
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
Message-ID: <be6.4d7084d9.37516382@aol.com>

Off the point, but does someone else really have your e-mail address?

Craig Newman


In a message dated 5/29/09 11:57:35 AM, gbrackett at luceatlux.com writes:


> 
> I tried to register at forum.on-rev.com (I'm already registered at?
> forum.rev.com) and got the message that my email address was already?
> in use.? I do have other addresses, but would prefer to use the same?
> email for both fora.? Is there a workaround?
> 




**************
We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? 
diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. 
(http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml
cntnew00000007)

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May 29 12:41:37 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:41:37 +0200
Subject: Passwords in standalone settings not working
Message-ID: <4834DE5D-6C96-47CD-AD78-FBE3503C7F6D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Has anyone else noticed that passwords for stack files, set in the  
standalone settings, are not applied when the standalone is built? I'm  
using Rev 3.5.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.color-converter.com
http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 29 12:44:54 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:44:54 -0700
Subject: Relayer Groups Within Group?
In-Reply-To: <54837B57-8486-4A19-ABE4-5B4067741905@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C6455F16.41ECD%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Trevor DeVore wrote:

>> Has anyone discovered a way to relayer nested groups up and down by
>> a single
>> level?
 
> Yes, it is possible. I just uploaded a stack to RevOnline that has
> some handlers that will relayer controls while protecting hierarchy.

> Look for "Relayer Selected Control" in the Utility category. I *think*
> the handlers in the stack script are the latest versions. If you run
> into any problems let me know.

Thanks Trevor.  I figured out a solution that relies on editing the parent
group, but I'm curious about how your script works.  You appear to employ
relayerGroupedControls but in everything I tried, it didn't seem possible to
keep nested groups intact while relayering them.  How does your script
accomplish this?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri May 29 13:01:20 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:20 -0400
Subject: Relayer Groups Within Group?
In-Reply-To: <C6455F16.41ECD%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6455F16.41ECD%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <73532B46-598A-45DF-BDA0-505DFA277228@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 29, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Thanks Trevor.  I figured out a solution that relies on editing the  
> parent
> group, but I'm curious about how your script works.  You appear to  
> employ
> relayerGroupedControls but in everything I tried, it didn't seem  
> possible to
> keep nested groups intact while relayering them.  How does your script
> accomplish this?

You have to get a little tricky with how you reorder when groups are  
involved. When relayering a child control you have to build a list of  
all controls that are siblings and then set the layer of each to the  
layer of the parent group + 1 until all of the siblings are in the  
order you want. But using the layer of the parent group + 1 the  
ordering doesn't get messed up.

The handler that does this in the stack I posted is SetLayerWithinGroup.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri May 29 13:16:06 2009
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:16:06 -0600
Subject: Passwords in standalone settings not working
In-Reply-To: <4834DE5D-6C96-47CD-AD78-FBE3503C7F6D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4834DE5D-6C96-47CD-AD78-FBE3503C7F6D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <BA1C25D4-F947-4659-BB04-694206CE3ABE@gmail.com>

Yep, and even before 3.5. I think it's a bug that's existed for a  
while now. Not sure if there's a report for it or not.

On May 29, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone else noticed that passwords for stack files, set in the  
> standalone settings, are not applied when the standalone is built?  
> I'm using Rev 3.5.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.color-converter.com
> http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri May 29 13:12:41 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:12:41 -0700
Subject: Contracted menuBar question
In-Reply-To: <d08.579016f9.37514f45@aol.com>
References: <d08.579016f9.37514f45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <131-942246640.20090529101241@ahsoftware.net>

Craig-

Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:46:29 AM, you wrote:

> Today I finished the Rev version of my HC development gadget, and uploaded
> to revOnLine. It is a stack that tracks and sets properties in other stacks,
> useful especially at the beginning of a project. New and improved.

Don't know about the menubar stuff, but did you really mean to have
two mouseUp handlers in the script of field "Objects"?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri May 29 13:19:09 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:19:09 EDT
Subject: Contracted menuBar question
Message-ID: <d08.5794e740.3751730d@aol.com>

Mark.

No, the lower one is just a legacy. Should have trashed it. 

Craig Newman
In a message dated 5/29/09 1:17:34 PM, mwieder at ahsoftware.net writes:


> Don't know about the menubar stuff, but did you really mean to have
> two mouseUp handlers in the script of field "Objects"?
> 




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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May 29 13:20:52 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:20:52 +0200
Subject: Passwords in standalone settings not working
In-Reply-To: <BA1C25D4-F947-4659-BB04-694206CE3ABE@gmail.com>
References: <4834DE5D-6C96-47CD-AD78-FBE3503C7F6D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<BA1C25D4-F947-4659-BB04-694206CE3ABE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5EA1302-C2D2-4BA0-B7FC-DD74B76E112E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Chris,

Yes, you seem to be right. I've heard from others that this bug is  
pretty old. I really wonder why high-risk security-related bugs like  
these haven't been taken care of yet. Should be the first thing in the  
next version, in my opinion. No one wants to see his project opened up  
and redistributed by some high-school teenager who thinks to be smart  
and lose all of his or her investments.

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On 29 mei 2009, at 19:16, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Yep, and even before 3.5. I think it's a bug that's existed for a  
> while now. Not sure if there's a report for it or not.



From wjm at wjm.org  Fri May 29 13:28:28 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:28:28 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com><AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com><gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<71F08468-1ABF-4A1E-9F92-9BF757F0605E@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <gvp5v7$6k3$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi George,

> I tried to register at forum.on-rev.com (I'm already registered at 
> forum.rev.com) and got the message that my email address was already  in 
> use.  I do have other addresses, but would prefer to use the same  email 
> for both fora.  Is there a workaround?

The forums at on-rev.com and runrev.com are completely separate "name 
spaces" at this time. Registering for one does not register you for the 
other. Please use the "Forgot Password" link at on-rev.com to retrieve your 
info, or write support{at}on-rev.com if that doesn't work. 





From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri May 29 13:13:54 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:13:54 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <be6.4d7084d9.37516382@aol.com>
References: <be6.4d7084d9.37516382@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CE6D87DA-70FE-448B-8D1D-98B0EF13028F@luceatlux.com>

I imagine it's caused by cross-talk between the two forum managers;  
maybe there's only one forum manager...
George

On May 29, 2009, at 12:12 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

Off the point, but does someone else really have your e-mail address?

Craig Newman


In a message dated 5/29/09 11:57:35 AM, gbrackett at luceatlux.com writes:


>
> I tried to register at forum.on-rev.com (I'm already registered at
> forum.rev.com) and got the message that my email address was already
> in use.  I do have other addresses, but would prefer to use the same
> email for both fora.  Is there a workaround?
>




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From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri May 29 14:32:09 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:32:09 +0200
Subject: mouse gestures
In-Reply-To: <20090529170004.73E4348B0D9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090529170004.73E4348B0D9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AD40DB77-2C1A-4178-921D-A582266511C8@derbrill.de>

Thanks Terry. :)

Tom: Thanks for the kind words.

 > I wonder if adding the distance  would slow it down?

I doubt. It might depend on what you want to collect, though I don?t  
think so. The lib already polls the distance from the last recorded  
x,y position to the mouseloc. If you hook in a script local var that  
you reset on libGestMouseDown and then on libGestMouseMove x,y add to  
that var you should be good. distance is implemented into the lib  
already, so that should be pretty straightforward. It could look like  
this:


-- new local here

local lDistanceTraveled

on libGestMouseDown pButton
     if pButton <> 3 then exit libGestMouseDown
     if lSensivity is empty then put 10 into lSensivity
     set the uStartGesture of me to the mouseloc
     put item 1 of the uStartGesture of me into lOldX
     put item 2 of the uStartGesture of me into lOldY
     put empty into LGestureList
     put 0 into lDistanceTraveled
end libGestMouseDown


on libGestMouseMove x,y
     if the uStartGesture of me is empty  then exit libGestMouseMove
     local tDist,tAngle
     put distance (lOldX,lOldY,x,y) into tDist
     put findAngleX(lOldx,lOldY,x,y) into tAngle
     if tDist>lSensivity then
       add tDist to lDistanceTraveled
--[snip]

function libGestLastDistanceTraveled
   return  lDistanceTraveled
end libGestLastDistanceTraveled

Now you could call libGestLastDistanceTraveled() on libGestDone and  
would be set :)

Would love to see what you come up with. :-)

Cheers,

Malte



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri May 29 14:33:45 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:45 -0700
Subject: OT: MySQL Open/Close question
Message-ID: <e5e009d70905291133r3af2a359x87c8ba02fe890f9a@mail.gmail.com>

I've been both working with MySQL and on this list for some time but never
asked about this:
How much overhead is involved with opening and closing a MySQL connection?
 Before I run some benchmarks I'd like to get other opinions.

For instance, in an app I have a recursive handler than may make upwards of
66 queries in rapid succession. Each query depends on the previous query for
the next. I want to see this information returned as soon as possible.

At this time I just try to keep the connection open with a ping every few
minutes. This works well on my machine, but working with a MySQL server on
the net tends to disconnect, even though the timeout at the server is set to
a high number.

If I would open and close the connection for each of the rapid queries,
isn't that generating more work for the server? Or does it really matter?

What's the 'best' way of dealing with opening / closing' in MySQL?

thanks
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
Swervedriver Fan
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri May 29 14:52:11 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:52:11 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvp5v7$6k3$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com><AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com><gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<71F08468-1ABF-4A1E-9F92-9BF757F0605E@luceatlux.com>
	<gvp5v7$6k3$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <ACE0D6D5-79FB-4F5C-AE6A-B7D13CF72FE0@luceatlux.com>

thanks - will do.
George

On May 29, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

Hi George,

> I tried to register at forum.on-rev.com (I'm already registered at
> forum.rev.com) and got the message that my email address was  
> already  in
> use.  I do have other addresses, but would prefer to use the same   
> email
> for both fora.  Is there a workaround?

The forums at on-rev.com and runrev.com are completely separate "name
spaces" at this time. Registering for one does not register you for the
other. Please use the "Forgot Password" link at on-rev.com to retrieve  
your
info, or write support{at}on-rev.com if that doesn't work.



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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri May 29 17:37:49 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:37:49 -0400
Subject: OT: MySQL Open/Close question
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70905291133r3af2a359x87c8ba02fe890f9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5e009d70905291133r3af2a359x87c8ba02fe890f9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90905291437o5ab9b1aay78f7cba94c3e4e38@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use MySQL but now I use Valentina and find an incredible
difference in speed. Perhaps you should consider running some tests with
Valentina too?

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:33 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> I've been both working with MySQL and on this list for some time but never
> asked about this:
> How much overhead is involved with opening and closing a MySQL connection?
>  Before I run some benchmarks I'd like to get other opinions.
>
> For instance, in an app I have a recursive handler than may make upwards of
> 66 queries in rapid succession. Each query depends on the previous query
> for
> the next. I want to see this information returned as soon as possible.
>
> At this time I just try to keep the connection open with a ping every few
> minutes. This works well on my machine, but working with a MySQL server on
> the net tends to disconnect, even though the timeout at the server is set
> to
> a high number.
>
> If I would open and close the connection for each of the rapid queries,
> isn't that generating more work for the server? Or does it really matter?
>
> What's the 'best' way of dealing with opening / closing' in MySQL?
>
> thanks
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> Swervedriver Fan
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri May 29 19:06:28 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:06:28 +0100
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvn87n$5e4$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090418083311.8D2C748AC3F@mail.runrev.com><f73a98160904201921if658771tf09ae7b626521e03@mail.gmail.com><665591460904202205y6ffc88cwa1b4e1a0ff32a68@mail.gmail.com><f73a98160904202353n5443f07t96c00503c2cb94b6@mail.gmail.com><665591460904210102k6445c268l7803ce2405a9d13a@mail.gmail.com><f99b52860904210240q6a97fc98lfce69f3845323280@mail.gmail.com><4A147FDA.6030803@tweedly.net>	<4A1485AA.1020305@comcast.net><4A15D170.6070101@tweedly.net>	<gv5enk$47p$1@ger.gmane.org>	<f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad73156c3@mail.gmail.com><gv7c6q$qrr$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A1744B3.4010504@hyperactivesw.com><gv96fr$f7q$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A1C6FBE.1060200@tweedly.net>
	<gvn87n$5e4$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A206A74.4040508@tweedly.net>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> Actually, you can.
>
> If you get the latest on-Rev client, you'll notice a drop-down menu in the 
> upper-right, "on-Rev Project."
>
> This menu lists the sites you can edit. This list is drawn from the 
> /.ireviam/sites.txt file on the server. Just edit this file and you'll be 
> able to access the folders you need.
>
>   
Thanks Bill - got that working now. Only after a very frustrating 
struggle with line endings. It fails semi-silently if you put in CRLF 
(i.e. char(13) + char(10) ) for the line ending rather than just LF 
(i.e. char(10)), before uploading (with FTP Commander). I confess I get 
confused by the different line ending combinations on different systems, 
but this was a simple "hit return then save" in a Windows text editor 
(emacs), followed by the obvious upload.
> In a future version of the on-Rev client, the information will either be 
> pulled down automatically from the server or you'll be able to configure it 
> in the client.
>   

Cool!  Thanks again
-- Alex.


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri May 29 19:19:45 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:19:45 +0100
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We have a forum set up for users of on-Rev at forums.on-rev.com -- this is 
> the ideal spot for the latest news/announcements, discussing on-Rev, 
> technical issues with it, usage concerns, etc.
>
>   
Yeah, but forums are horrible.
PLEASE could we have a way to sign up to receive all forum posts by 
email - I'd be willing to log in to the forum to post replies, but as a 
way to receive new messages, this has to be the least convenient scheme 
imaginable.
> For example, information about accessing sites placed at the root level of 
> your hierarchy (that I just reposted here) was originally posted to the 
> on-Rev forums on Apr 24.
>   
The sad thing is that, even knowing that, I couldn't find your post in 
10 - 15 minutes of searching the forums, though when I did eventually 
find it, it was very helpful.

[Now if it was just an email archive, I could use all kinds of favourite 
search tools :-]

> However, we have no problem with folks discussing on-Rev here. The use-rev 
> list is very simply for "using Revolution." And we consider our product to 
> be the language, not merely the desktop IDE. The on-Rev service is obviously 
> a Revolution-based product. Just because it's a subscription service doesn't 
> matter; people obviously discuss Enteprise-specific issues, even though not 
> everyone owns Enterprise. So consider discussions about on-Rev officially 
> on-topic.
>
>   
-- Alex.


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri May 29 19:31:04 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:31:04 +0100
Subject: on-Rev updates.
In-Reply-To: <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>

In a different thread, I (Alex Tweedly) wrote:
> Yeah, but forums are horrible.

In support of this claim/opinion, I should mention that I have found 
around 6 threads on 2 (or 3) sub-forums the topic of "how to do file 
uploads".

Two of them actually give a solution (even if only temporary until a 
real solution is available).

But the most interesting one was from Ben on 17th April saying
> There isn't yet any support for multipart/form-data encoding for forms 
> in irev scripts. The irev engine is currently at an alpha stage and so 
> this functionality has not yet been built in. However, it will be 
> supported soon.
soon ?  Been 6 weeks now, any idea when this support will be added ?

In general, it's been 5 weeks since the last update to the onrev client. 
Any chance of an update soon ?
Or of a schedule for when there might be one ?

I'm tempted to write various tiny tools to make the onrev client easier, 
or better, to use - but don't want to do that if a new update (which 
might or might not do the same) is just about to appear.

Thanks
-- Alex.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri May 29 19:45:21 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:45:21 -0300
Subject: on-Rev updates.
In-Reply-To: <4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10905291645h32fe5c29wb2665dd97b786074@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

I have working code for file uploads, do you want it? :D

Cheers
andre

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
> In a different thread, I (Alex Tweedly) wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but forums are horrible.
>
> In support of this claim/opinion, I should mention that I have found around
> 6 threads on 2 (or 3) sub-forums the topic of "how to do file uploads".
>
> Two of them actually give a solution (even if only temporary until a real
> solution is available).
>
> But the most interesting one was from Ben on 17th April saying
>>
>> There isn't yet any support for multipart/form-data encoding for forms in
>> irev scripts. The irev engine is currently at an alpha stage and so this
>> functionality has not yet been built in. However, it will be supported soon.
>
> soon ? ?Been 6 weeks now, any idea when this support will be added ?
>
> In general, it's been 5 weeks since the last update to the onrev client. Any
> chance of an update soon ?
> Or of a schedule for when there might be one ?
>
> I'm tempted to write various tiny tools to make the onrev client easier, or
> better, to use - but don't want to do that if a new update (which might or
> might not do the same) is just about to appear.
>
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 29 20:22:57 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:22:57 -0500
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> PLEASE could we have a way to sign up to receive all forum posts by 
> email

Oh yes, PLEASE. With sugar. Anything it takes. Forums are horrible to 
navigate, require a special trip, and take too much time. I hardly ever 
get over there, they are time sinks, but I want the info.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May 29 22:53:41 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:53:41 +1000
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>
>> PLEASE could we have a way to sign up to receive all forum posts by email
>
> Oh yes, PLEASE. With sugar. Anything it takes. Forums are horrible to
> navigate, require a special trip, and take too much time. I hardly ever get
> over there, they are time sinks, but I want the info.

ditto
ditto
ditto
ditto

Please.....  :-)


From jhj at jhj.com  Fri May 29 23:01:25 2009
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:25 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>

On May 29, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>>
>>> PLEASE could we have a way to sign up to receive all forum posts  
>>> by email
>>
>> Oh yes, PLEASE. With sugar. Anything it takes. Forums are horrible to
>> navigate, require a special trip, and take too much time. I hardly  
>> ever get
>> over there, they are time sinks, but I want the info.
>
> ditto
> ditto
> ditto
> ditto
>
> Please.....  :-)

What they said !! I had a bad time going back to the forum after  
ditching the RSS...
--Jerry




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri May 29 23:28:14 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:28:14 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 29, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Jerry J wrote:
> On May 29, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay
>>> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE could we have a way to sign up to receive all forum posts  
>>>> by email
>>>
>>> Oh yes, PLEASE. With sugar. Anything it takes. Forums are horrible  
>>> to
>>> navigate, require a special trip, and take too much time. I hardly  
>>> ever get
>>> over there, they are time sinks, but I want the info.
>>
>> ditto
>> ditto
>> ditto
>> ditto
>>
>> Please.....  :-)
>
> What they said !! I had a bad time going back to the forum after  
> ditching the RSS...
> --Jerry

Ditto, Please, I agree - navigating forums just takes too many clicks  
and back and forth amongst threads. The forums are just too time  
consuming and I just don't have that kind of time to waste.
-- Tom McGrath III


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri May 29 23:55:42 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:55:42 -0700
Subject: on-Rev updates.
In-Reply-To: <4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4A20AE3E.2090402@pdslabs.net>

I would VERY MUCH like to see an on-rev app update. My last access to my 
on-rev account via the app was May 5 when SSH was turned on for my 
account. Since then it has been FTP only. As a result I've stopped using 
on-rev until the app is fixed.

Thanks -
Phil Davis



Alex Tweedly wrote:
> In a different thread, I (Alex Tweedly) wrote:
>> Yeah, but forums are horrible.
>
> In support of this claim/opinion, I should mention that I have found 
> around 6 threads on 2 (or 3) sub-forums the topic of "how to do file 
> uploads".
>
> Two of them actually give a solution (even if only temporary until a 
> real solution is available).
>
> But the most interesting one was from Ben on 17th April saying
>> There isn't yet any support for multipart/form-data encoding for 
>> forms in irev scripts. The irev engine is currently at an alpha stage 
>> and so this functionality has not yet been built in. However, it will 
>> be supported soon.
> soon ?  Been 6 weeks now, any idea when this support will be added ?
>
> In general, it's been 5 weeks since the last update to the onrev 
> client. Any chance of an update soon ?
> Or of a schedule for when there might be one ?
>
> I'm tempted to write various tiny tools to make the onrev client 
> easier, or better, to use - but don't want to do that if a new update 
> (which might or might not do the same) is just about to appear.
>
> Thanks
> -- Alex. 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat May 30 00:02:25 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:02:25 -1000
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001801c9e0db$71b7f270$5527d750$@com>

Ditto
Ditto
Ditto
Ditto
...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:28 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: on-Rev and use-Rev
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Jerry J wrote:
> > On May 29, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay
> >>> Alex Tweedly wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> PLEASE could we have a way to sign up to receive all forum posts
> >>>> by email
> >>>
> >>> Oh yes, PLEASE. With sugar. Anything it takes. Forums are horrible
> >>> to
> >>> navigate, require a special trip, and take too much time. I hardly
> >>> ever get
> >>> over there, they are time sinks, but I want the info.
> >>
> >> ditto
> >> ditto
> >> ditto
> >> ditto
> >>
> >> Please.....  :-)
> >
> > What they said !! I had a bad time going back to the forum after
> > ditching the RSS...
> > --Jerry
> 
> Ditto, Please, I agree - navigating forums just takes too many clicks
> and back and forth amongst threads. The forums are just too time
> consuming and I just don't have that kind of time to waste.
> -- Tom McGrath III
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May 30 00:07:32 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:07:32 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>

This is another of those threads that pop up every few months or so.
While I certainly agree and add my "me too" to the list, I seriously
doubt that anyone in the mothership cares. Or pays any attention to
these threads at all.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Sat May 30 00:37:58 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:37:58 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
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References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 30, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> This is another of those threads that pop up every few months or so.
> While I certainly agree and add my "me too" to the list, I seriously
> doubt that anyone in the mothership cares. Or pays any attention to
> these threads at all.


I'm confused now. on-rev has only been around for a few weeks, so how  
would talk of it be around a few months ago? And are we talking about  
getting forum messages as emails? That's already how I get these ones.




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat May 30 00:58:50 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:58:50 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>
	<2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <3E7F8CCA-B428-4A54-B55D-D1FC0ED598F9@yahoo.com>

On May 29, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> On May 30, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> This is another of those threads that pop up every few months or so.
>> While I certainly agree and add my "me too" to the list, I seriously
>> doubt that anyone in the mothership cares. Or pays any attention to
>> these threads at all.
> I'm confused now. on-rev has only been around for a few weeks, so  
> how would talk of it be around a few months ago? And are we talking  
> about getting forum messages as emails? That's already how I get  
> these ones.
>

This is a mailing list, and about 18 months ago the runrev.com site  
(or some other domain) established forums to handle the various  
topics, such as newbie, database, graphics, what-Rev-should-have, etc.

Occasionally it will seem that a thread will never end, yet only be of  
interest to a very few, thus, "wouldn't it be nice to have a forum  
that would put all the newbie content in a place they can find it"

The downsides are that the everyday use of this list fits into the  
workflow, rather than a forum you need to visit and do searches or  
copious navigation.  I only go to forums when I have to do research,  
not stay informed.  Fortunately there are those who post to forums  
with enough good content that they do become a resource.

My opinion is that some organization that wants to catalog good  
conversations and help content should collect this information and  
organize it to boost their ability to help new users.

Different style for different people.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat May 30 02:36:04 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:36:04 +0200
Subject: [On-Rev] You may laugh at me... 
Message-ID: <1j0isti.1mp3hmo1cz586wM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Yesterday I was struggling to obtain a mere "Hello World" with On-Rev --
with no luck!

I copied the excellent Sarah's page on publishing a slideshow, and I saw
no photos...

A tried a simpler model, with no luck though -- until I realized that in
order to be parsed my file had to have a .irev extension, instead of
.html, even though it is a html file !!!

Certainly, it is in the docs ;-))

Dom AKA Medard at On-Rev



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 30 03:15:28 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:15:28 +0300
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
Message-ID: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com>

I am beginning to wonder if there should not be a second Use-List for
those people who use the On-Rev service, so that those off us who
don't, don't have our in-boxes flooded by messages that are not all
that relevant to what we are doing.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May 30 03:33:38 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:33:38 +1000
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com>
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am beginning to wonder if there should not be a second Use-List for
> those people who use the On-Rev service, so that those off us who
> don't, don't have our in-boxes flooded by messages that are not all
> that relevant to what we are doing.

Hi Richmond,

There has already been quite a lot of discussion about this point, so
I will quote you the "official" RunRev response:

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Bill Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We have a forum set up for users of on-Rev at forums.on-rev.com -- this is
> the ideal spot for the latest news/announcements, discussing on-Rev,
> technical issues with it, usage concerns, etc.
>
> For example, information about accessing sites placed at the root level of
> your hierarchy (that I just reposted here) was originally posted to the
> on-Rev forums on Apr 24.
>
> However, we have no problem with folks discussing on-Rev here. The use-rev
> list is very simply for "using Revolution." And we consider our product to
> be the language, not merely the desktop IDE. The on-Rev service is obviously
> a Revolution-based product. Just because it's a subscription service doesn't
> matter; people obviously discuss Enteprise-specific issues, even though not
> everyone owns Enterprise. So consider discussions about on-Rev officially
> on-topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Marriott
> runrev marketing guy


Revolution has always had such a broad array of capabilities that,
inevitably, there will be threads that are of no interest to lots of
people reading the list. Personally, there are threads that I merely
skim, or ignore completely, but I know that if/when I need to use a
particular feature, it is very likely that there will be some info in
the list archives, even if I ignored it at the time.

If people prefer, maybe we could all put [On-Rev] in the subjects of
On-Rev emails, so that they can be easily filtered out by those not
wanting to learn about that particular aspect of Revolution yet.

Cheers,
Sarah


From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 03:57:48 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:57:48 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com><AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com><gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net><4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com><f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com><818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com><D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <gvqot7$i3p$1@ger.gmane.org>

Mark,

> This is another of those threads that pop up every few months or so.
> While I certainly agree and add my "me too" to the list, I seriously
> doubt that anyone in the mothership cares. Or pays any attention to
> these threads at all.

I too would prefer to receive all forum posts in email, or more ideally a 
gateway for newsgroup readers. It's something we have discussed and put on 
our "to do" list for some time in the future. Unfortunately, our human 
bandwidth right now is dedicated to the upcoming RunRevLive developer 
conference and launch of Rev 4 on Sept 1.

Please do not assume that the "mothership" does not notice or care -- we use 
these services as much as you do.

- Bill 





From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 04:08:24 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:08:24 -0400
Subject: on-Rev updates.
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org><4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <gvqph3$jgr$1@ger.gmane.org>

Alex,

> Any chance of an update soon ?
> Or of a schedule for when there might be one ?

There has actually been one update to the on-Rev client since launch, which 
added the ability to edit txt, html, and other non-irev text files. There is 
another one around the corner, features TBA.

We only just launched the service last month!

- Bill 





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 30 08:11:37 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:11:37 +0300
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A212279.2030706@gmail.com>

Thanks Sarah,
  must have missed that udring one of my "yogic sleeps".  :)

Of course, we could use this to get off onto an endless (and, probably 
ultimately,
fruitless) discussion about the desktop IDE versus the language.

What I am very interested to know is when the language "took flight" and
became completely independent of the desktop IDE . . . .

Thanks again, Richmond.

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson
> <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I am beginning to wonder if there should not be a second Use-List for
>> those people who use the On-Rev service, so that those off us who
>> don't, don't have our in-boxes flooded by messages that are not all
>> that relevant to what we are doing.
>>     
>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> There has already been quite a lot of discussion about this point, so
> I will quote you the "official" RunRev response:
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Bill Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
>   
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> We have a forum set up for users of on-Rev at forums.on-rev.com -- this is
>> the ideal spot for the latest news/announcements, discussing on-Rev,
>> technical issues with it, usage concerns, etc.
>>
>> For example, information about accessing sites placed at the root level of
>> your hierarchy (that I just reposted here) was originally posted to the
>> on-Rev forums on Apr 24.
>>
>> However, we have no problem with folks discussing on-Rev here. The use-rev
>> list is very simply for "using Revolution." And we consider our product to
>> be the language, not merely the desktop IDE. The on-Rev service is obviously
>> a Revolution-based product. Just because it's a subscription service doesn't
>> matter; people obviously discuss Enteprise-specific issues, even though not
>> everyone owns Enterprise. So consider discussions about on-Rev officially
>> on-topic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Marriott
>> runrev marketing guy
>>     
>
>
> Revolution has always had such a broad array of capabilities that,
> inevitably, there will be threads that are of no interest to lots of
> people reading the list. Personally, there are threads that I merely
> skim, or ignore completely, but I know that if/when I need to use a
> particular feature, it is very likely that there will be some info in
> the list archives, even if I ignored it at the time.
>
> If people prefer, maybe we could all put [On-Rev] in the subjects of
> On-Rev emails, so that they can be easily filtered out by those not
> wanting to learn about that particular aspect of Revolution yet.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 10:11:45 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:11:45 -0400
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com><f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>

Richmond,

> What I am very interested to know is when the language "took flight" and
> became completely independent of the desktop IDE . . . .

I don't recall there ever being a concern about discussing CGI scripts here. 
And you've got it backwards. Server scripting didn't become independent of 
the IDE. The IDE came to server scripting.

Bill 





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 30 11:11:16 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:11:16 +0300
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com><f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com>
	<gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com>

The reason I asked the question that I did was because of what you wrote
re the language and the IDE:

"we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE"

as if the language and the IDE were, in some way, capable of independent
existences.

I am well aware that the language can exist with another IDE (e.g. 
Metacard);
what is not clear to me is whether the language can exist outwith an IDE 
- the
reason I am asking this is because, as far as I can tell, RunRev's ancestor,
HyperCard seemed to be built around the idea of some sort of organic
co-existence between the language and an IDE; unlike most programming
languages available at that time where there was no IDE at all.

The word 'merely' also made me wonder if the IDE was rather far down a list
of priorities as far as Runtime Revolution's future development went. 
Although
the advent of dataGrids would seem to bely that.

 From a personal point of view I feel that the language uncoupled from 
the IDE
would lose more than half what makes it such a fantastic RAD.

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Richmond,
>   
>> What I am very interested to know is when the language "took flight" and
>> became completely independent of the desktop IDE . . . .
>>     
>
> I don't recall there ever being a concern about discussing CGI scripts here. 
> And you've got it backwards. 
Never mind, I'm quite good at getting things backwards: always seem to 
work out
in the end though.  :)

> Server scripting didn't become independent of 
> the IDE. The IDE came to server scripting.
>
> Bill 
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 12:32:45 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:32:45 -0400
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com><f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com><gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org>

Richmond,

> The reason I asked the question that I did was because of what you wrote
> re the language and the IDE:
>
> "we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE"
>
> as if the language and the IDE were, in some way, capable of independent
> existences.

Well, they are. The old CGI engine didn't have any IDE or GUI whatsoever and 
was certainly "Revolution."

Thought experiment:

Which would be more Rev-ish?

- The Revolution IDE and the syntax was, for example, Java? or,
- The Revolution syntax and the IDE was, for example, Visual Studio?

The answer is pretty simple for me. At least, I know which product I would 
buy. (Thankfully we have BOTH the Revolution IDE and the Revolution syntax!)

Note that we have seen multiple IDE variants historically including 
MetaCard, the open-source one some people like to use, Revolution itself, 
and even Jerry's GLX lineup. I would consider all of them to be part of the 
Rev experience. Broadening to "xTalk," we've seen dozens of products with 
different approaches to the IDE: SuperCard, Director, TileStack. It always 
comes back to the language. That is what people love and are committed to.

> The word 'merely' also made me wonder if the IDE was rather far down a 
> list
> of priorities as far as Runtime Revolution's future development went. 
> Although the advent of dataGrids would seem to bely that.

No, the IDE is not de-emphasized whatsoever. You're reading too much into 
semantics, and are forgetting Revolution 3.0 introduced a completely 
revamped Script Editor, gradient editor, etc. Going forward you'll see even 
more enhancements and customization abilities. We've been making fantastic 
strides on both fronts, and there is a mutual dependence, one on the other. 
Unquestionably a great language needs a great IDE.

> as far as I can tell, RunRev's ancestor,
> HyperCard seemed to be built around the idea of some sort of organic
> co-existence between the language and an IDE; unlike most programming
> languages available at that time where there was no IDE at all.

I *personally* don't agree with that. HyperCard was written in the days when 
Apple liked to imagine itself a walled garden where the hardware, operating 
system, and applications were all separate from the rest of the world, like 
some kind of priestly caste "above it all." AppleTalk, ADB, non-standard 
monitor connections, etc. Those days are gone. Today we're in a much more 
inter-connected, inter-dependent, and standards-based world. A core benefit 
of Rev is its cross-platform capabilities. Today that is Mac/Windows/Linux 
desktops. And we're moving toward Web servers (on-Rev and our server 
technology) and Web multimedia (the plugin). The IDE will always evolve; it 
is the language which remains the constant, from the day HyperTalk was born. 
And RunRev is the unchallenged steward of that legacy today.

Of course we'll always have a "model" for constructing UI that is integrated 
into the language; I don't think that can be separated. But as we're seeing 
now, the language needs to evolve to handle manipulation of elements 
regardless of the presentation. (i.e., Web forms versus fields as we know 
them.)

> what is not clear to me is whether the language can exist outwith an IDE
[...]
> I feel that the language uncoupled from the IDE
> would lose more than half what makes it such a fantastic RAD.

Rev's easy-to-use IDE will always be a key element of the product. I am sure 
that for some people it's a different percentage of the appeal than others. 
You consider it more than 50% of the value, I consider the language to be 
the majority. But it's a little like debating whether the dashboard or the 
engine is the more critical part of the car. Some people will always be 
concerned about horsepower and performance; others will focus on comfort. 
Luckily we enjoy the best of all worlds: an accessible, natural-language 
syntax that performs admirably and is very easy to use.

Can a language "exist" without an IDE? Going back to my CGI point at the 
beginning, the answer is an obvious "yes." But it's certainly very nice to 
have one, and that is why we have invested in building the on-Rev client for 
our server technology, and why it has been so well-received.

- Bill 





From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat May 30 12:56:30 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:56:30 +0200
Subject: [On-Rev] Webdisk not reliable; irev as a table constructor
Message-ID: <1j0jdhz.9jqxc8h79wziM%mcdomi@free.fr>

I tempted to make some modifications to my "medard" On-Rev web site with
the Web Disk ... to transfer a "sub-site" to another directory, i.e. to
put "pens?es", which contain shots of pansies, to the "photos" directory

The result was very strange: the folder are transferred -- but emptied,
and prefixed par "pensees", and the original leaved in their places, but
likewise emptied.

So, I returned to the "On-Rev" desktop app, and made some cleaning ;->

====

Second, after succeeding in making a slideshow "a la Sarah", I tried to
use irev as a table constructor -- mimicking by script the traditional
html structure of a table :-)

You can see it here:

http://medard.on-rev.com/photos/pensees/index.irev


Dom, AKA Medard




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 30 13:31:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:31:39 +0300
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com><f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com><gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com>
	<gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A216D7B.5050006@gmail.com>

Thank you very much, Bill, for taking the time to write such a clear
explanation that really does answer all my concerns.

Mind you, somebody is bound to come along, sooner or later,
and take issue with "RunRev is the unchallenged steward of that legacy 
today"!   :)

Let's hope that when (and it is a 'when', not an 'if') it will be 
constructive
and helpful.

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Richmond,
>
>   
>> The reason I asked the question that I did was because of what you wrote
>> re the language and the IDE:
>>
>> "we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE"
>>
>> as if the language and the IDE were, in some way, capable of independent
>> existences.
>>     
>
> Well, they are. The old CGI engine didn't have any IDE or GUI whatsoever and 
> was certainly "Revolution."
>
> Thought experiment:
>
> Which would be more Rev-ish?
>
> - The Revolution IDE and the syntax was, for example, Java? or,
> - The Revolution syntax and the IDE was, for example, Visual Studio?
>
> The answer is pretty simple for me. At least, I know which product I would 
> buy. (Thankfully we have BOTH the Revolution IDE and the Revolution syntax!)
>
> Note that we have seen multiple IDE variants historically including 
> MetaCard, the open-source one some people like to use, Revolution itself, 
> and even Jerry's GLX lineup. I would consider all of them to be part of the 
> Rev experience. Broadening to "xTalk," we've seen dozens of products with 
> different approaches to the IDE: SuperCard, Director, TileStack. It always 
> comes back to the language. That is what people love and are committed to.
>
>   
>> The word 'merely' also made me wonder if the IDE was rather far down a 
>> list
>> of priorities as far as Runtime Revolution's future development went. 
>> Although the advent of dataGrids would seem to bely that.
>>     
>
> No, the IDE is not de-emphasized whatsoever. You're reading too much into 
> semantics, and are forgetting Revolution 3.0 introduced a completely 
> revamped Script Editor, gradient editor, etc. Going forward you'll see even 
> more enhancements and customization abilities. We've been making fantastic 
> strides on both fronts, and there is a mutual dependence, one on the other. 
> Unquestionably a great language needs a great IDE.
>
>   
>> as far as I can tell, RunRev's ancestor,
>> HyperCard seemed to be built around the idea of some sort of organic
>> co-existence between the language and an IDE; unlike most programming
>> languages available at that time where there was no IDE at all.
>>     
>
> I *personally* don't agree with that. HyperCard was written in the days when 
> Apple liked to imagine itself a walled garden where the hardware, operating 
> system, and applications were all separate from the rest of the world, like 
> some kind of priestly caste "above it all." AppleTalk, ADB, non-standard 
> monitor connections, etc. Those days are gone. Today we're in a much more 
> inter-connected, inter-dependent, and standards-based world. A core benefit 
> of Rev is its cross-platform capabilities. Today that is Mac/Windows/Linux 
> desktops. And we're moving toward Web servers (on-Rev and our server 
> technology) and Web multimedia (the plugin). The IDE will always evolve; it 
> is the language which remains the constant, from the day HyperTalk was born. 
> And RunRev is the unchallenged steward of that legacy today.
>
> Of course we'll always have a "model" for constructing UI that is integrated 
> into the language; I don't think that can be separated. But as we're seeing 
> now, the language needs to evolve to handle manipulation of elements 
> regardless of the presentation. (i.e., Web forms versus fields as we know 
> them.)
>
>   
>> what is not clear to me is whether the language can exist outwith an IDE
>>     
> [...]
>   
>> I feel that the language uncoupled from the IDE
>> would lose more than half what makes it such a fantastic RAD.
>>     
>
> Rev's easy-to-use IDE will always be a key element of the product. I am sure 
> that for some people it's a different percentage of the appeal than others. 
> You consider it more than 50% of the value, I consider the language to be 
> the majority. But it's a little like debating whether the dashboard or the 
> engine is the more critical part of the car. Some people will always be 
> concerned about horsepower and performance; others will focus on comfort. 
> Luckily we enjoy the best of all worlds: an accessible, natural-language 
> syntax that performs admirably and is very easy to use.
>
> Can a language "exist" without an IDE? Going back to my CGI point at the 
> beginning, the answer is an obvious "yes." But it's certainly very nice to 
> have one, and that is why we have invested in building the on-Rev client for 
> our server technology, and why it has been so well-received.
>
> - Bill 
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sat May 30 13:38:59 2009
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:38:59 -0500
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A216D7B.5050006@gmail.com>
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com><f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com><gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com>
	<gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A216D7B.5050006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <731BB29C-C5CF-45F8-ADDE-2E8C4499CBF8@earthlink.net>

Oh, really?  I looked long and hard for a crossplatform successor to  
Hypercard for many years before I found Rev in 1999 or 2000.  And I  
haven't found a viable competitor since then. What makes you think  
there will be one in the future and what's more that it will be a  
fraction as good as Rev?  (That's a rhetorical question.)


On May 30, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> somebody is bound to come along, sooner or later, and take issue  
> with "RunRev is the unchallenged steward of that legacy today"!



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May 30 14:07:30 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:07:30 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>
	<2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <1992753453.20090530110730@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:37:58 PM, you wrote:

> I'm confused now. on-rev has only been around for a few weeks, so how
> would talk of it be around a few months ago? And are we talking about
> getting forum messages as emails? That's already how I get these ones.

Sorry - I was referring to the issue of an email stream from the web
forum, including the one at http://forums.runrev.com .

??? You get forum messages as emails ??? Are we talking about the same
thing?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May 30 14:09:16 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <3E7F8CCA-B428-4A54-B55D-D1FC0ED598F9@yahoo.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>
	<2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
	<3E7F8CCA-B428-4A54-B55D-D1FC0ED598F9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <322858859.20090530110916@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:58:50 PM, you wrote:

> This is a mailing list, and about 18 months ago the runrev.com site
> (or some other domain) established forums to handle the various  
> topics, such as newbie, database, graphics, what-Rev-should-have, etc.

...three years ago by my count...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 30 14:24:48 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:24:48 +0300
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <322858859.20090530110916@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>	<2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>	<3E7F8CCA-B428-4A54-B55D-D1FC0ED598F9@yahoo.com>
	<322858859.20090530110916@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A2179F0.80105@gmail.com>

Oh Dear, Oh Dear: Mark!

When will you realise that time is relative.  :)

While I'm here I was wondering whether I should 'bung'
all the original stacks from which I have built standalones
for my EFL school on a CD to "throw around" at the
Edinburgh conference.

In the great scheme of things they are probably not worth
all that much, but maybe somebody might find something
vaguely useful.

If the answer is YES, should I burn 5 or 50 ????  Ideas???

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jim-
>
> Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:58:50 PM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> This is a mailing list, and about 18 months ago the runrev.com site
>> (or some other domain) established forums to handle the various  
>> topics, such as newbie, database, graphics, what-Rev-should-have, etc.
>>     
>
> ...three years ago by my count...
>
>   



From coiin at rcn.com  Sat May 30 14:25:25 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:25:25 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <1992753453.20090530110730@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com>
	<D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>
	<2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
	<1992753453.20090530110730@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <907E752B-4500-4C9A-A1A4-A98A5D626228@rcn.com>


On May 30, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>
> ??? You get forum messages as emails ??? Are we talking about the same
> thing?


Possibly not. Someone mention a use revolution forum, and this email  
list is use-revolution at lists.runrev.com, so I thought for a moment  
that it was the same thing.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May 30 14:46:23 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:46:23 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvqot7$i3p$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com><AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com><gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net><4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com><f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com><818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com><D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com>
	<153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net>
	<gvqot7$i3p$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <885086437.20090530114623@ahsoftware.net>

Bill-

Saturday, May 30, 2009, 12:57:48 AM, you wrote:

> I too would prefer to receive all forum posts in email, or more ideally a
> gateway for newsgroup readers. It's something we have discussed and put on
> our "to do" list for some time in the future. Unfortunately, our human
> bandwidth right now is dedicated to the upcoming RunRevLive developer
> conference and launch of Rev 4 on Sept 1.

> Please do not assume that the "mothership" does not notice or care -- we use
> these services as much as you do.

Good to know that you're reading this list.

But "some time in the future" is an interesting phrase, considering
that this same request has been made for the runrev forum since its
inception some three years ago and it's never been acted on. Or even
acknowledged, to my recollection.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 15:05:03 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:05:03 -0400
Subject: [On-Rev] Webdisk not reliable; irev as a table constructor
References: <1j0jdhz.9jqxc8h79wziM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <gvs00a$f2b$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hello Dom,

I find the web disk functionality (WebDAV) -- *regardless* of hosting 
provider or control panel technology -- is really only useful for uploading 
a single file or quickly previewing images, etc. I've never liked it for 
bulk uploads/downloads as I find the performance and reliability to be 
wanting. Maybe it works better on Windows-based servers? I really don't 
know. But for transferring sites, I stick with a solid FTP client like 
FileZilla.

Bill


"Dom" <mcdomi at free.fr> wrote in message 
news:1j0jdhz.9jqxc8h79wziM%mcdomi at free.fr...
I tempted to make some modifications to my "medard" On-Rev web site with
the Web Disk ... to transfer a "sub-site" to another directory, i.e. to
put "pens?es", which contain shots of pansies, to the "photos" directory

The result was very strange: the folder are transferred -- but emptied,
and prefixed par "pensees", and the original leaved in their places, but
likewise emptied.





From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 15:10:42 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:10:42 -0400
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com><AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com><gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org><4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net><4A207C61.9060404@hyperactivesw.com><f99b52860905291953v11455fe4i6bebfba18abc0f3@mail.gmail.com><818841F5-129D-49D4-83ED-6A5845FD4DC9@jhj.com><D291B909-5C3B-4D47-BAC0-11E44FD6C3F9@mac.com><153-902955765.20090529210732@ahsoftware.net><gvqot7$i3p$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<885086437.20090530114623@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <gvs0at$g45$1@ger.gmane.org>

Mark,

Well consider it acknowledged and expectations set. It's solidly in the 
"nice to have" category, behind "must have."

- Bill

Mark Wieder writes,

> But "some time in the future" is an interesting phrase, considering
> that this same request has been made for the runrev forum since its
> inception some three years ago and it's never been acted on. Or even
> acknowledged, to my recollection. 





From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Sat May 30 15:36:46 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:36:46 +0200
Subject: DataGrid
Message-ID: <4DA30C35-5866-4998-BD0B-235AECBBFC24@gmx.net>

  What a wonderful job, Trevor. It is truly amazing.

Just 2 days ago a was pointed to the DataGrid. It helped me solve a  
problem I was struggling with for quite a while.

Since I have bee playing with it andI worked through 2 months worth  
of list emails to dig out the questions on the Datagrids and was  
flabbergasted by the amount of time and energy Trevor put in  
answering all the questions. Now that's what I call support. Really  
awesome. I will use the Datagrid a lot. It's great to be able to  
learn more and more about the Datagrids. I just could delete one of  
my questions, because I suddenly knew the answer.

I have studied the manual and the list, so I hope my questions have  
not been asked before :

1. Is it possible to print the content (including headers) of a  
Datagrid like printing a field. I mean so that the layout of the  
Datagrid is kept. This would be absolutely great.
Of course I could 'Print card', but the quality is much less than  
printing text from a field. I am afraid it won't yet be possible, as  
it is not mentioned in the manual or  on the list.

2. How do I set the number of columns by script?

3. Is it possible to drag a complete  line in a DataGrid to a new  
position (custom hand sorting)?

4. How can I lock one column for editing, leaving the others free to  
be edited? dgProps["allow editing"] seems to be a global prop.

5. Is it possible for a piece of text to overflow into the next cell  
if that cell is empty. If so, how do I do that?

6. How do I 'open up' a cell by script for the user to immediately  
type into it.

I noticed that the Datagrid group stays 'grouped', also if I choose  
the inverse of 'select grouped'. While ordinary groups yield their  
parts, not so the Datagrid.
I am wondering if the only reason is, that the user will not mess up  
the coordinates of the parts of the group, or is there another deeper  
reason behind?


Trevor, I hope you have still some energy left to answer my many  
questions.


much thanks for this great piece of work,

Beat



From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 30 15:35:40 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:35:40 -0400
Subject: RunRevLive.09 (was: Re: on-Rev and use-Rev)
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Hi Richmond,

> If the answer is YES, should I burn 5 or 50 ????  Ideas???

CDs are "so 2006!"

... How about making a nice web site with your stuff instead? Saving natural 
resources, lighter baggage and all that. If you want a physical memento for 
people, you could print up a couple pages of "business cards" with the URL 
and hand those out?

But if you're really into CDs I would target more to the 50 end of the 
continuum, as we've got well more than that many registrations already. 
RunRevLive.09 is shaping up to be our biggest and best-attended event 
ever.... definitely not to be missed!

This particular conference is SO important, because we're really giving 
in-depth coverage of the new Web technologies (server and plugin), the new 
Behaviors, and other goodies. Plus you'll get to network with more members 
of the community than ever.

http://www.runrevlive.com

p.s.: I know you're coming, Richmond... but for the rest of the crew, the 
huge, 40% early bird registration discount is going away at the end of 
tomorrow. So if you're on the fence about coming, I hope you'll sign up 
before the price goes up on June 1. We'd really like to meet you! 





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May 30 15:46:07 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:46:07 -0700
Subject: on-Rev and use-Rev
In-Reply-To: <gvs0at$g45$1@ger.gmane.org>
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	<885086437.20090530114623@ahsoftware.net> <gvs0at$g45$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <988669796.20090530124607@ahsoftware.net>

Bill-

Saturday, May 30, 2009, 12:10:42 PM, you wrote:

> Well consider it acknowledged and expectations set. It's solidly in the
> "nice to have" category, behind "must have."

Thanks. Good to know. And I agree with you that being able to access
the web resources through something like gmane would be ideal.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat May 30 15:55:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:55:51 +0300
Subject: RunRevLive.09
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	<gvs1pm$k0j$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Um.

I'll certainly think about things.  :)

I think it would be rather good if as many people could bring
as many 'give-aways' to the table as possible (whether on
physical media - CDs, DVDs and so on - or aetherial media, as
per your suggestion) for the conference. After all, as well as all
the intellectual goodies we should be sopping up at the
conference, surely the opportunity to swap ideas and examples,
and have the opportunity to chew them over face-to-face is
also extremely important.

I can imagine returning from the conference with 5-10
school exercise books full of notes with CDs tucked inside
their front covers: call it "so 2006" if you want, but
speaking as a person who managed quite successfully to
program computers without Hard Drives until 1992
CDs are "the latest thang" to me,  :)

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>   
>> If the answer is YES, should I burn 5 or 50 ????  Ideas???
>>     
>
> CDs are "so 2006!"
>
> ... How about making a nice web site with your stuff instead? Saving natural 
> resources, lighter baggage and all that. If you want a physical memento for 
> people, you could print up a couple pages of "business cards" with the URL 
> and hand those out?
>
> But if you're really into CDs I would target more to the 50 end of the 
> continuum, as we've got well more than that many registrations already. 
> RunRevLive.09 is shaping up to be our biggest and best-attended event 
> ever.... definitely not to be missed!
>
> This particular conference is SO important, because we're really giving 
> in-depth coverage of the new Web technologies (server and plugin), the new 
> Behaviors, and other goodies. Plus you'll get to network with more members 
> of the community than ever.
>
> http://www.runrevlive.com
>
> p.s.: I know you're coming, Richmond... but for the rest of the crew, the 
> huge, 40% early bird registration discount is going away at the end of 
> tomorrow. So if you're on the fence about coming, I hope you'll sign up 
> before the price goes up on June 1. We'd really like to meet you! 
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat May 30 19:35:28 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 00:35:28 +0100
Subject: on-Rev updates.
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10905291645h32fe5c29wb2665dd97b786074@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>	<4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
	<7c87a2a10905291645h32fe5c29wb2665dd97b786074@mail.gmail.com>
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Andre Garzia wrote:
> Alex,
>
> I have working code for file uploads, do you want it? :D
>   
Yes please. Ideally, either post it to a forum (maybe you already did 
and I missed it :-), or post to this list (assuming it's something you 
are offering generally), or add a simple form + upload to the samples 
collection Sarah has built.

[or if you prefer, email to me and I will put the easy stuff around it 
to add to Sarah's sample page]

Thanks (yet again).
-- Alex.


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat May 30 19:40:23 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 00:40:23 +0100
Subject: on-Rev updates.
In-Reply-To: <gvqph3$jgr$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org><4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>	<4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
	<gvqph3$jgr$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Bill Marriott wrote:
> There has actually been one update to the on-Rev client since launch, 
> which
> added the ability to edit txt, html, and other non-irev text files. There is 
> another one around the corner, features TBA.
>   
Cool - that's what I needed to know. I'll hold off on any development of 
tools to assist me in using the on-rev client until I see this next 
update. And if it doesn't have the features I most want, then it will be 
time to develop them myself.
> We only just launched the service last month!
Yep, and I am pretty happy with it. Just wanted some idea / 
expectation-setting about the likely update frequency.

-- Alex.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat May 30 19:42:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:42:49 -0700
Subject: RunRevLive.09
In-Reply-To: <4A218F47.20104@gmail.com>
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	<2735FF4F-B865-4884-9A0E-C9DBCEEBE7AA@rcn.com>
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	<4A218F47.20104@gmail.com>
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Richmond-

Saturday, May 30, 2009, 12:55:51 PM, you wrote:

> I'll certainly think about things.  :)

A good idea would be to bring a usb flash drive or several. Put the
stuff you want to distribute on it and have plenty of room for more.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 30 22:45:15 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
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	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com> <gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com> <gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A216D7B.5050006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23799350.post@talk.nabble.com>


Can a language exist without an IDE? 

Yes, look at the Bourne Shell.  Until recently it existed without an IDE
other than your ordinary text editor.  Recently its been supplied with two
IDEs of sorts, the Gnome one, Zenity, and the KDE one.  Or look at AWK, it
still has only a text editor as IDE.  Maybe there is a Windows-only gui IDE
for it?

It seems to be a bit like OSs.  If you look at Windows and Mac you'd think
the OS and the desktop environment are the same thing.  But if you look at
Linux you see there are actually three things, the display manager (mine is
WDM, but I usually install GDM for other people).  Then the window manager,
where I'm currently using Gnome's Metacity, but Openbox is a popular
alternative for Gnome.  Then the desktop environment if you want one (KDE,
Gnome, XFCE).  And then of course a fourth, the file manager, which in Mac
and Windows looks like part of the OS, Finder or Explorer, but which in
Linux is independent.  You don't have to use Nautilus with Gnome....

Of course, on Windows or Mac its quite hard or impossible to use a different
component for the desktop environment, and on Rev the choice of IDE is more
restricted than on Python, and you seem not to be able to write Rev just
using a text editor, as you can on the shell or awk or Python.  Not that I
really want to!

Every now and then I have a fit of irritation and check out Python.  Virtual
desktops or revPrintField are the usual causes.  There are lots of IDEs,
independent of the language, and you can just use a text editor.   But they
all seem to involve a lot more typing than Rev does, so, at least so far, I
decide to hang in there.  
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/On-Rev---Off-Rev-tp23790978p23799350.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 31 03:33:53 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:33:53 +0300
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <23799350.post@talk.nabble.com>
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	<gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com>
	<gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4A216D7B.5050006@gmail.com>
	<23799350.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A2232E1.9000203@gmail.com>

My initial question may have been misread. I am well aware that
programming languages can exist independently of IDEs (what was
Fortran 4 ????).

What interested me was the Runtime Revolution language (or any other
xTalk dialect) existing independently of an IDE.

I am aware that for a while Metacard were offering a command-line version;
so, presumably this is possible.

AND, if that is possible I cannot see any real reason why one could not
type one's code in a text editor and then "push it through" an xTalk
compiler.

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Can a language exist without an IDE? 
>
> Yes, look at the Bourne Shell.  Until recently it existed without an IDE
> other than your ordinary text editor.  Recently its been supplied with two
> IDEs of sorts, the Gnome one, Zenity, and the KDE one.  Or look at AWK, it
> still has only a text editor as IDE.  Maybe there is a Windows-only gui IDE
> for it?
>
> It seems to be a bit like OSs.  If you look at Windows and Mac you'd think
> the OS and the desktop environment are the same thing.  But if you look at
> Linux you see there are actually three things, the display manager (mine is
> WDM, but I usually install GDM for other people).  Then the window manager,
> where I'm currently using Gnome's Metacity, but Openbox is a popular
> alternative for Gnome.  Then the desktop environment if you want one (KDE,
> Gnome, XFCE).  And then of course a fourth, the file manager, which in Mac
> and Windows looks like part of the OS, Finder or Explorer, but which in
> Linux is independent.  You don't have to use Nautilus with Gnome....
>
> Of course, on Windows or Mac its quite hard or impossible to use a different
> component for the desktop environment, and on Rev the choice of IDE is more
> restricted than on Python, and you seem not to be able to write Rev just
> using a text editor, as you can on the shell or awk or Python.  Not that I
> really want to!
>
> Every now and then I have a fit of irritation and check out Python.  Virtual
> desktops or revPrintField are the usual causes.  There are lots of IDEs,
> independent of the language, and you can just use a text editor.   But they
> all seem to involve a lot more typing than Rev does, so, at least so far, I
> decide to hang in there.  
>   



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 31 06:38:12 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:38:12 +0300
Subject: Stykz
Message-ID: <4A225E14.1000506@gmail.com>

A FREE animation program just came onto my radar:

http://www.stykz.net/Home.html

and the most interesting thing about it is that it comes from
Sons of Thunder !!!

although it is not overtly stated one look at the interface
is a dead give-away that it has been made with
Runtime Revolution.

Fantastic!


From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 31 07:26:44 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:26:44 -0400
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <4A225E14.1000506@gmail.com>
References: <4A225E14.1000506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE61D5C1-C326-4C00-836F-3353C83449E7@rcn.com>


On May 31, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> http://www.stykz.net/Home.html
>
> and the most interesting thing about it is that it comes from
> Sons of Thunder !!!


You must have been busy last Christmas Day, when Ken posted a message  
here about it.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 31 08:13:07 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:13:07 +0300
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <DE61D5C1-C326-4C00-836F-3353C83449E7@rcn.com>
References: <4A225E14.1000506@gmail.com>
	<DE61D5C1-C326-4C00-836F-3353C83449E7@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <4A227453.30500@gmail.com>

Indeed I was; oddly enough that festival takes precedence over
checkig the Use-Rev list!

What I noticed just now was a notification of Stykz here:

http://www.macupdate.com/

when I typed 'animator' intil the search field as I was keekin around
for something to distract me from writing exams.  :)

Colin Holgate wrote:
>
> On May 31, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> http://www.stykz.net/Home.html
>>
>> and the most interesting thing about it is that it comes from
>> Sons of Thunder !!!
>
>
> You must have been busy last Christmas Day, when Ken posted a message 
> here about it.
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 31 11:15:49 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:15:49 -0700
Subject: Stykz
Message-ID: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> although it is not overtly stated one look at the interface
> is a dead give-away that it has been made with
> Runtime Revolution.

The scope and functionality of Ken's program is very impressive, but if 
just looking at it makes it clear what development tool it was made with 
that's quite a harsh indictment for the tool.

Ideally, any development tool would produce wares which are so 
reflective of conventions of the OSes it runs on that it would be 
indistinguishable from products made with, say, xCode or MS Visual Studio.

FileMaker, HyperCard, and some other tools took such radical liberties 
with OS conventions that it was usually easy to spot things made with 
them; the developer had little control over many of the design elements 
that were forced on them.

I like to believe Rev has gone beyond such old-world limitations, but 
perhaps it still has some weaknesses which should get some attention:

What specific elements suggest "Rev" to you when you look at the 
screenshots?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun May 31 11:59:48 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:59:48 -0700
Subject: (OT) The Vendor- Client Relationship
Message-ID: <5F4A2653DEF444749EE4096D0CDC2819@GATEWAY>

Someone forwarded me this clip on YouTube. The many of you who offer client
services like custom development will find this extremely funny -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSgzZY

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 31 12:18:16 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:18:16 -0700
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <10282594375.20090531091816@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Sunday, May 31, 2009, 8:15:49 AM, you wrote:

> What specific elements suggest "Rev" to you when you look at the
> screenshots?

ROTFL. How about the FAQ, which states "Stykz was developed using
Revolution, a cross-platform rapid application development tool."

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun May 31 12:36:01 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:36:01 -0300
Subject: on-Rev updates.
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References: <1e91b2b70905280058j6197e189hebf8049c4a682dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE9CCA59-22B4-461E-B5E0-78B5985A6638@economy-x-talk.com>
	<gvn9jb$8av$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A206D91.30203@tweedly.net>
	<4A207038.6070501@tweedly.net>
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Alex,

I am still assembling a library to be distributed but the piece that
decodes uploads is this one:

check the source for it fills a global called gDataA with data, for
example the files goes into: gDataA["FILES"]

Cheers
andre

--> File Upload Related (MIME Decoder)

--on decodeUpload
if  "multipart/form-data" is in toLower($_SERVER["CONTENT_TYPE"]) then
	## Mime enclosure!
	read from stdin for $_SERVER["CONTENT_LENGTH"] chars
	put it into gDataA["SERVER"]["STDIN"]
	## Get boundary
	local tMIMEBoundary
	set the itemdel to ";"
	put item 2 of $_SERVER["CONTENT_TYPE"] into tMIMEBoundary
	if "boundary" is in tMIMEBoundary then
		set the itemdel to "="
		put item 2 of tMIMEBoundary into tMIMEBoundary
		## We got the boundary let us split the files
		local p = 0
		repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in gDataA["SERVER"]["STDIN"]
			put line x of gDataA["SERVER"]["STDIN"] into tLine
			if tMIMEBoundary is in tLine then				
				## We got a new part.
				add 1 to p
				put lineoffset(crlf & crlf, gDataA["SERVER"]["STDIN"], x) into tHeadersEnd
				put line x+1 to x+tHeadersEnd of gDataA["SERVER"]["STDIN"] into tHeaders
				repeat for each line tHeader in tHeaders
					set the itemdel to ":"
					put item 1 of tHeader into tHeaderName
					put item 2 of tHeader into tHeaderValue
					trim tHeaderValue
					trim tHeaderName
					if ";" is in tHeaderValue then
						# We got attibutes.
						set the itemdel to ";"
						put item 1 of tHeaderValue into gDataA["FILES"][p][tHeaderName]
						put item 2 to -1 of tHeaderValue into tHeaderAttributes
						replace "; " with "&" in tHeaderAttributes
						replace quote with empty in tHeaderAttributes
						trim tHeaderAttributes
						split tHeaderAttributes by "&" and "="
						repeat for each key tKey in tHeaderAttributes
							put tHeaderAttributes[tKey] into gDataA["FILES"][p][tKey]
						end repeat
					else
						put tHeaderValue into gDataA["FILES"][p][tHeaderName]
					end if
				end repeat
				put x+tHeadersEnd into x
				
			else
				put tLine after gDataA["FILES"][p]["Content"]
			end if
		end repeat
end if


-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 31 12:43:26 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:43:26 -0700
Subject: On-Rev / Off-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A2232E1.9000203@gmail.com>
References: <4A20DD10.1020705@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860905300033v6271030codb4bce7321dc31a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A212279.2030706@gmail.com> <gvreqc$34n$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A214C94.5000601@gmail.com> <gvrn2n$n98$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4A216D7B.5050006@gmail.com> <23799350.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A2232E1.9000203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11884104843.20090531094326@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, May 31, 2009, 12:33:53 AM, you wrote:

> AND, if that is possible I cannot see any real reason why one could not
> type one's code in a text editor and then "push it through" an xTalk
> compiler.

*Now* I see what you're asking. Well, that's what on-rev does for web
pages, for one thing. And you can do this with cgi scripts for web
pages as well.

But if you want to *compile* xtalk code, what advantage would you get
over building a rev standalone? Yes, you could write an xtalk
compiler, but you'd still have to bundle the engine as a library, and
that's essentially what the standalone builder does.

An interpreter for xtalk code rather than a compiler might be an
interesting exercise, but then you'd be recreating the IDE, and in
particular the message box. I don't see much point in going down that
road either.

Having external text files as script sources would be a real advantage
in terms of working with version control systems, and I look forward
to the day when we get an "import" or "include" command to enable
this.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 31 12:52:29 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:29 -0400
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <10282594375.20090531091816@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>
	<10282594375.20090531091816@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <00B7F92C-BAA5-4D65-9EDD-D87B5B7976AF@rcn.com>


On May 31, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> What specific elements suggest "Rev" to you when you look at the
>> screenshots?
>
> ROTFL. How about the FAQ, which states "Stykz was developed using
> Revolution, a cross-platform rapid application development tool."

The FAQ isn't a screen shot. If you're allowed to look further afield,  
Richard being thanked in the Credits is a giveaway too!

Although naturally the palettes in the program are going to have a  
similar feel to the ones in Rev, the only things that make it seem  
like it's not an XCode app are the lack of Undo, and keystrokes not  
doing what they normally would do. For example, on quitting you're  
asked if you want to save. In all applications out there, command-D is  
the same as clicking the Don't Save button, but in Stykz it duplicates  
the selected item on the stage.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 31 13:08:16 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:08:16 -0700
Subject: Stykz
Message-ID: <4A22B980.5070900@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:
> Although naturally the palettes in the program are going to have a  
> similar feel to the ones in Rev, the only things that make it seem  
> like it's not an XCode app are the lack of Undo, and keystrokes not  
> doing what they normally would do. For example, on quitting you're  
> asked if you want to save. In all applications out there, command-D is  
> the same as clicking the Don't Save button, but in Stykz it duplicates  
> the selected item on the stage.

I know Ken's working on Undo (I'm helping with some of that, and hope 
that RunRev can help too as the absence of an undo frameworks is one of 
the most noticeable omissions for commercial deployment), and the other 
sounds like a minor messaging bug that I'm sure will be fixed in short 
order.

Heck, if that's all if it it sounds like Rev and Stykz are pretty 
HIG-savvy overall.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 31 13:10:37 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:37 -0700
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <00B7F92C-BAA5-4D65-9EDD-D87B5B7976AF@rcn.com>
References: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>
	<10282594375.20090531091816@ahsoftware.net>
	<00B7F92C-BAA5-4D65-9EDD-D87B5B7976AF@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <7485735281.20090531101037@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:52:29 AM, you wrote:

> The FAQ isn't a screen shot.

Quite right. That notwithstanding, Richmond's original assessment of
"Fantastic!" is right on the money.

-- 
-Mark
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 31 13:40:51 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:40:51 -0500
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <00B7F92C-BAA5-4D65-9EDD-D87B5B7976AF@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C6482B53.1DC54%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> For example, on quitting you're  asked if you want to save.

That's probably because the default document that opened was dirty when you
quit (if you *didn't* do anything and it still asked you to save, let me
know and I'll fix that).

> In all applications out there, command-D is
> the same as clicking the Don't Save button, but in Stykz it duplicates
> the selected item on the stage.

Good catch! I'll get that fixed right away.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 31 13:44:50 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:44:50 -0500
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <4A225E14.1000506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6482C42.1DC59%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> Fantastic!

Thanks, Richmond (and Mark, and  ...  :-) ! I'm just getting ready to
release 1.0 in a week or so, but the response to the public betas have been
fantastic. There have been many thousands of downloads and it's been a real
eye-opener (development-wise) that I'll write a report on when I'm done.

;-)

Although it will be released with the 3.5 engine, it was developed using
3.0, so there are no behaviors implemented yet. But when I update it I'll be
switching over to use behaviors and I can't wait to get started!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From coiin at rcn.com  Sun May 31 13:53:31 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:31 -0400
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <C6482B53.1DC54%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C6482B53.1DC54%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <53FD8221-D675-4F79-AFB3-64A7AD2524F1@rcn.com>


On May 31, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> For example, on quitting you're  asked if you want to save.
>
> That's probably because the default document that opened was dirty  
> when you
> quit (if you *didn't* do anything and it still asked you to save,  
> let me
> know and I'll fix that).


I wasn't commenting on the Save part, that is correct. I was just  
setting the scene, so you knew which Don't Save I was referring to.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun May 31 14:29:16 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:29:16 +0300
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A229F25.0@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A22CC7C.40904@gmail.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> although it is not overtly stated one look at the interface
>> is a dead give-away that it has been made with
>> Runtime Revolution.
>
> The scope and functionality of Ken's program is very impressive, but 
> if just looking at it makes it clear what development tool it was made 
> with that's quite a harsh indictment for the tool.

Oddly enough my remark was not really intended as an indictment; more 
like praise.

The 'commands' palette IS a Runtime Revolution palette; to which I would 
say:-

* As I, personally, write software for the Primary school brigade I tend 
to spend quite some time disguising the origins of
    my standalones in keeping with the candy-coloured, Crayola-crayon 
school of Kindergarten aesthetics . . .

  [of course many people, who don't have such a socking-great 
self-conceit might have had an attack of acute self-doubt about
    these aesthetics a long time ago  :)  ]

   Not everyone's "bag" I know; the important part of the above is 
"disguising the origins"; if you want to, you can, if you are
   OK with the 'plain vanilla' of the supplied buttons, stay with them.

The toolBar looks as though it has wandered over from some incarnation 
of Metacard.

* Neither of these points is really important unless the manufacturer 
has an urge to "cover his/her tracks".
>
> Ideally, any development tool would produce wares which are so 
> reflective of conventions of the OSes it runs on that it would be 
> indistinguishable from products made with, say, xCode or MS Visual 
> Studio.
Really?  If that were so why would one bother to use Runtime Revolution?
> FileMaker, HyperCard, and some other tools took such radical liberties 
> with OS conventions that it was usually easy to spot things made with 
> them; the developer had little control over many of the design 
> elements that were forced on them.
Yeah, yeah ... OS conventions . . . 3 cheers for Kai Kraus!

Runtime Revolution allows the developer a tremendous amount of control 
over the design elements (err, just compare it with
Visual Basic ); whether the developer decides to "go all wierd and 
artistic", stick with the "plain vanilla", or something in between
is his/her decision; and that is what I love about Runtime Revolution - 
that it allows the developer almost complete artistic
control.
> I like to believe Rev has gone beyond such old-world limitations, but 
> perhaps it still has some weaknesses which should get some attention:
>
> What specific elements suggest "Rev" to you when you look at the 
> screenshots?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 31 14:34:15 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:34:15 -0500
Subject: Stykz
In-Reply-To: <53FD8221-D675-4F79-AFB3-64A7AD2524F1@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C64837D7.1DC5D%kray@sonsothunder.com>


>>> For example, on quitting you're  asked if you want to save.
>> 
>> That's probably because the default document that opened was dirty
>> when you
>> quit (if you *didn't* do anything and it still asked you to save,
>> let me
>> know and I'll fix that).
> 
> 
> I wasn't commenting on the Save part, that is correct. I was just
> setting the scene, so you knew which Don't Save I was referring to.

Whoops! Sorry about that...

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From B.Cornaz at gmx.net  Sun May 31 15:27:12 2009
From: B.Cornaz at gmx.net (Beat Cornaz)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:27:12 +0200
Subject: Datagrid again
Message-ID: <2DB9AF00-2EBB-4936-B270-8724AC796664@gmx.net>

While still discovering more on the wonderfull Datagrids, also more  
questions have come up.

I have a table Datagrid which gets filled up with data of different  
lengths, containing numbers. Now I want to make the bottom line 
(meaning the last record) in bold.
It is the Totals all summed up. I started trying to set the first fld  
(first column)in the bottom line to bold


    put the dgNumberOfRecords of grp "Datagrid 3"  into maxNr	
       set the textStyle of fld maxNr of grp "Datagrid 3" to bold

This  works fine if all records are visible in the datagrid. If the  
data is too big, so only a part is displayed, then the field that  
gets bold will be somewhere in the second (or third) column,  
depending on how many records there are and how many fields are  
visible in the Datagrid. I first thought that just the visible fields  
are counted, but my results are pretty inconsistent. I am first  
trying to set the first field on the last line to bold, but sometimes  
3 fields get bold or two. It seems totally unpredictable to me when I  
resize the Datagrid and run the lines above.

So how can I achieve that only the bottom line (record) is bold when  
I completely scroll down?

Another thing I noticed is, that if I leave 1 line blank (so only a  
cr in my data) and then have the line with the Totals, I can't scroll  
all the way down. I am unable to reach the last line. I solved this  
by putting in a 'space' on the empty line and then it works. I was  
wondering why this is necessary.

I don't seem to find the way to change the border color of the  
datagrid. In the group inspector, there is a lot of colors to be  
adjusted, but not the border color.

With the Datagrid in the 'form' fashion, it took me a little while to  
realize that all my new fields etc. which I created in the template  
have to be inside of the Row template GROUP. The manual does say it,  
but it is easily overlooked. Once I had that, it was a piece of cake.

best regards,

Beat

From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun May 31 15:45:51 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:45:51 -0400
Subject: Datagrid again
Message-ID: <61DEAB87-DF22-4F49-AF3A-645986EE3933@wehostmacs.com>

I got bit by (I think) the same 'bug' as you..
What you need to do is to set the textStyle of the all the other  
elements to EMPTY (removes the bold)..


From nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn  Sun May 31 22:43:19 2009
From: nhan.tran at rmit.edu.vn (Nhan, Tran Thi Thanh)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:43:19 +0700
Subject: Data grid - Column Behaviour
Message-ID: <C4E21431604DA348B16F9FC95DEEE5E1789C6C@sgs-mw-s01.RMIT.EDU.VN>

Hi all,

 

I have a data grid with style table. I want display information of
customers getting from database on data grid. I have already done but
had one trouble in display picture of customer. I don't want to use
style form, just table with custom column behaviour.

 

Please advice me if you have experience in this case

 

Thanks in advance

Nhan