externals

[Bob Sneidar]

I should mention that CE Software has a product called QuicKeys that  
runs on both Windows and Mac that seems to do exactly what you are  
building. As I understand it, this is strong voodoo stuff requiring  
much mojo. ;-) QuicKeys has had to really jump through hoops to make  
their product work properly. There are timing issues and whatnot that  
come into play.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

>> On Jan 19, 2009, at 3:04 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> It would be a brilliant project, but not to be
>> undertaken without a thorough knowledge of C and file
>> systems on multiple platforms, with some assembly
>> required.
>
>
> Thanks Jan,
>
> This particular project is to do what Apple's "Automator" should have
> done... namely, to allow automation triggered by system level events
> - as they happen.  I call my project "Reactor".  You go to a
> configuration panel where you select system events that you want to
> trigger xtalk messages (and under what conditions).  Then you go
> create rev stacks that deal with these messages through event
> handlers.  It's that simple.  The main Reactor tool will provide many
> tools for automation that don't necessitate the creation of special
> stacks and scripts.
>
> Example:
>
> Every time an image file is saved (by any program), store an alias of
> that file in folder "Hard Drive:newImages:".
> Every time the user navigates to a folder send "FolderNav" with the
> folder path and long date and time to stack "myReactor".
> Every time a text file is created with the word "Entropy" in its
> name, move that file to folder "Hard Drive:My Projects:Entropic
> Projects:".
> Every time the user types the phrase "Calendar", launch application
> "iCal"
> If the day is "Monday" and the user is "Randall" then every time the
> user types "work" then send "WordTyped" with "work"
>
> Of course the idea is to deal with events in real time.  This is
> equivalent to the notion of putting things away as you use them... so
> that at the end of the day or project, there isn't so much cleanup to
> do.  I hate how file systems and OS's are so static.  How they never
> do things... how they wait until the user asks.
>
> I understand that automation as described above could lead to
> recursion problems (exp: when new folder is created, create new
> folder), but these can be filtered and preemptively prevented.  I
> also understand that OS's may be loath to the security problems
> introduced by such a scheme... but the potential benefits
> (productivity, efficiency, automation, data mining, etc.) might mean
> we have to learn other ways of protecting the user and their data
> than simple prevention.
>
> I look forward to an OS that protects me the user from having to know
> where my docs actually and physically reside.  Think instead of
> virtual pointers... many many ways to navigate and create and edit
> association and semantic webs that point intelligently to my docs and
> their parts.
>
> Randall
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2009, at 3:04 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> --- Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Jiro Harada wrote:
>>>
>>>> What dose "OS level system wide file IO event"
>>> mean concretely?
>>>
>>> Example... user saves a file... at the moment it is
>>> saved... I want
>>> notification of this file IO event sent as a message
>>> to a rev stack.
>>>
>>> Other system level events I would like to subscribe
>>> to:
>>>
>>> 1. file/folder/alias creation, open, edit, delete,
>>> save as, etc.
>>> 2. application launch, sleep, quit, mimimize, etc.
>>> 3. computer launch, shut down, etc.
>>> 4. key board strokes (words, and combos.)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Add to this...
>>>
>>> File and folder rename and move events.  File system
>>> and Browser navigation, and search terms used.
>>>
>>> Again, i want OS events to trigger messages sent to
>>> stacks or a master stack in real time... as they
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Ideally, the user could set up preferences atom
>>> subscribe to some events and ignore others.
>>>
>>> randall
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Randall,
>>
>>
>> Java will not come to your aid for this one, I'm
>> afraid (*). The support for such events varies widely
>> accross platforms, and there's no real standard that
>> Java (or the Rev team) could adopt.
>>
>> In fact, you may have to tap into the operating system
>> kernel to get this sort of information, and find away
>> to hook into its Find mechanism when we're talking
>> about browser navigation.
>>
>> It would be a brilliant project, but not to be
>> undertaken without a thorough knowledge of C and file
>> systems on multiple platforms, with some assembly
>> required.
>>
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>>
>>
>> (*) Even in the upcoming Java 7 NIO revisions, there's
>> no mention of such events.
>> <http://today.java.net/pub/a/today/2008/07/03/jsr-203-new-file-
>> apis.html>
>>
>> Note that the JNA (Java Native Access -
>> <https://jna.dev.java.net/>) project has an example
>> FileMonitor (Win32 only), but JNA is basically Java
>> syntax sugar-coating for the native OS API so you're
>> still researching and building code for each platform
>> separately.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
>> <http://www.quartam.com>
>>
>> =====
>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same
>> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>>
>>
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